================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 19:41:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Cost a stamp goes up tomorrow From: Anthony Just found out Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:01:56 -0500 To: Anthony Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cost a stamp goes up tomorrow From: Michael Rich I think it went up 2 weeks ago. Mike Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2018, at 7:41 PM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Just found out > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 17:03:45 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sunoco NFL Wallet with stamps From: Rick For you Sunoco stamp collectors found this on eBay. Every trader needs a wallet, right? Going thru the stamps now so anyone that has a list send it tome I'll have a few dupes. Rick Look at this on eBay Sunoco NFL Wallet with stamps Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 20:25:44 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cost a stamp goes up tomorrow From: Ken M They went up the 15th I think. There was a repeating ad on the PA at the store to "buy your forever stamps here and save". Now you hear the same ad, only it's "same price as the post office" and you don't have to make any extra stops. How convenient! ...Except I like to buy the rolls of 100 and we only sell books of 20... hey, I got a lot of letters to mail :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 8:14 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Cost a stamp goes up tomorrow ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 17:39:50 -0800 Subject: Happy to get Cesar Cedeno? From: "George Vrechek" Why would anyone be so delighted to get a 1979 Hostess card of Cesar Cedeno? We have likely all had the experience of searching for that elusive common for years. My elusive common was this card which had been on my wantlist for 10 years. My eBay saved searches never turned one up, that was affordable, I'm guessing. The card finally turned up. I went to COMC to add some 1973 Fleer scouting cards that Guru recently got me started on and then decided to add some small 1952 Bowman football and some OPeeChees and hockey until I ran up a $40 tab. I had enough in my till to pay $4 for shipping and use up my account balance. Then I thought, what else do I need? I checked on Cesar and there he was. I couldn't just rush into buying it, so I offered the seller a discounted price and he accepted - even better. COMC can be a big help knocking off elusive commons or variations, and the $4 isn't bad when you are buying 20 cards or so. Of course this process doesn't really end. I still need a 1979 Hostess card of #121 Dale Murphy to finish off my base set of Hostess cards from all years, but heck that was a pretty good find. I knew you guys would understand. George Vrechek ================= To: JAY TYSVER , Anson Whaley Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 01:45:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T205s vs. T206s From: Taylor Schock It also really depends on what you want to settle for. I got this 'placeholder' Joss for a price I couldn't refuse less than 2 years ago. For the cardthat still remains, the front looks pretty good (very decent registry) even though the back is unreadable. But I thought $40 was a steal of a deal onthis one, even considering it's (the important) 3/4 of the card. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 1:44 PM To: JAY TYSVER Cc: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T205s vs. T206s Hi Jay - Assuming you're not going for the master set with the super rare errors in T205, the T205 set is definitely a lot easier. Like Taylor said, it's less than half the size and sticking to the basic 208-card set, there's not really too much that is tough about it. One big break is that you don't have two and three cards of a ton of HOFers like you do with T206. There are some SPs that will try your patience a little. There were a few that I didn't see much and I even resorted to Dean's to buy one. Here are some estimated prices for the five most expensive cards if you don't mind Poor/Authentic grade: Cobb - $500-$600 Joss - $300-$400 WaJo - $300 Cy Young - $200-$300 Wilhelm - $200-$300 (for the most common "suffeed" version) Those are just ballparks. Matty will also run you about $150-$200 as a rockbottom. The T205 is a great pre-war starter. You can probably bang out half the set in low-grade commons for around $1,500 with some patience. I'm pretty sure I did for less than that as I scooped up a lot that were $8-$10. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 10:56 AM, JTysver1@msn.com[OBC-Ramblings] For future reference.... If I were to collect the T205 set as opposed to the T206 set, what HOFers are in the T206 set which are not in the T205 set? Also, is the T205 set easier to put together? In other words, are there anysuper rare cards or are they evenly distributed? Jay Tysver ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:50:11 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Cookout? From: ShoelessWes Sam, great to have yet another generous offering for a stellar venue! I should be good for both, and i am very neutral on preferences. Thanks! Wes Shepard > On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:44 PM, drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I see that Mr. Morganti has made reservations for the Strongsville Show (April 13-15) as well as the National (August 1-5, 2018 at the I-X Center inCleveland...) and I figured we should start thinking about organizing someof the festivities!! > For those of you that have NOT been to one of the Cleveland shows before,I live in Twinsburg, and have an OBC Sanctioned Man Cave that I like to show off, especially to guys that "get it." My local buddies all think that its cool, they know that I "have Detroit stuff and collect baseball cards," but that's the extent of it. Not everyone appreciates the nuances and the specifics of the collection. OBC guys do. > With that introduction, I'd like to open the man cave up again for an OBCget together. The Friday AND/OR Saturday of the Strongsville show would work for me. The show is April 13-15, and hours are F riday Noon until 8:00, Saturday 10:00am until 6:00, and it closes Sunday at 4:00. Again, I'm okay with any day, but my house is about a 40 minute drive from the show, and the soonest we could do anything on Friday would be 9:00, and that'd be a late night. Saturday would probably be best, although, I'm open to either. > As for the actual National, I would like to recreate the OBC Cookout. TheNational is open until 8:00pm on the Wednesday "Sneak Peek" of National Week, but it closes at 6:00 every other night. Traditionally the OBC Swap is on the Saturday night of the National. I am fine with hosting the Swap, if that's okay with everyone, but I'd like to host a cookout on FRIDAY night, if that would work. We could have the Swap at a hotel near the IX Center, or at the Strongsville hotel that Morganti is staying at (Strongsville is only 10 minutes or so from the IX Center). Again, I'm fine with hosting the actual Swap, and if the consensus is that we have just one OBC event, then so be it. > So, I'm open to discussion on what everyone wants, and would like a briefshow of hands for who is coming to the Strongsville Show in April. Hopefully we'll see ALL of you at the Man Cave!! > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 21:55:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Cookout? From: Ed Hutchinson I am also good for both- I live 15 minutes from the venue, so if any OBCers wanted to spend a smaller, laid back evening hanging with me and my dog in my apartment, you would be more than welcome on nights we dont hang out at On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:50 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sam, great to have yet another generous offering for a stellar venue! I > should be good for both, and i am very neutral on preferences. Thanks! > Wes Shepard > On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:44 PM, drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I see that Mr. Morganti has made reservations for the Strongsville Show > (April 13-15) as well as the National (August 1-5, 2018 at the I-X Center > in Cleveland...) and I figured we should start thinking about organizing > some of the festivities!! > For those of you that have NOT been to one of the Cleveland shows before, > I live in Twinsburg, and have an OBC Sanctioned Man Cave that I like to > show off, especially to guys that "get it." My local buddies all think that > its cool, they know that I "have Detroit stuff and collect baseball cards," > but that's the extent of it. Not everyone appreciates the nuances and the > specifics of the collection. OBC guys do. > With that introduction, I'd like to open the man cave up again for an OBC > get together. The Friday AND/OR Saturday of the Strongsville show would > work for me. The show is April 13-15, and hours are F riday Noon until > 8:00, Saturday 10:00am until 6:00, and it closes Sunday at 4:00. Again, I'm > okay with any day, but my house is about a 40 minute drive from the show, > and the soonest we could do anything on Friday would be 9:00, and that'd be > a late night. Saturday would probably be best, although, I'm open to either. > As for the actual National, I would like to recreate the OBC Cookout. The > National is open until 8:00pm on the Wednesday "Sneak Peek" of National > Week, but it closes at 6:00 every other night. Traditionally the OBC Swap > is on the Saturday night of the National. I am fine with hosting the Swap, > if that's okay with everyone, but I'd like to host a cookout on FRIDAY > night, if that would work. We could have the Swap at a hotel near the IX > Center, or at the Strongsville hotel that Morganti is staying at > (Strongsville is only 10 minutes or so from the IX Center). Again, I'm fine > with hosting the actual Swap, and if the consensus is that we have just one > OBC event, then so be it. > So, I'm open to discussion on what everyone wants, and would like a brief > show of hands for who is coming to the Strongsville Show in April. > Hopefully we'll see ALL of you at the Man Cave!! > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:13:27 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) From: Ken M Hi gang,   Last year I attended my first Strongsville show. I had heard some good OBC reviews, so I decided to take a week off. It also matched up well with my kids' school vacation, so I got to spend some time with them before and after the weekend show. As it is a bit of a drive from home (about ten hours), I split the trip up by stopping in NY at my aunt's house. I also made it worth the drive by scheduling some dental work in Twinsburg, OH.   The show itself was pretty good, although it was a lot smaller than I was expecting. I had a pretty good show until about an hour left, when it turned into a once in a lifetime kind of show. On my last trip around the room, I stumbled into a small stash of 1952 Topps 3rd series (131-190) gray backs... 14 in all. The seller had them moderately priced according to condition between $6 and $28 each, with most around $12. I got the stack after a nice bulk discount for roughly nine bucks per card.  I already owned three of these and immediately sold them on eBay along with two from my find. I had the other 12 of 14 slabbed by PSA. They messed up the flips on the original grading and sent them back to me marked as the run of the mill commons. After having PSA fix their mistake and send them back to me with the correct flips denoting the variation, I waited.   First of the year rolled around and I began putting them on eBay, three at a time. Almost every one was purchased by one of two buyers, both with deep pockets. All told, I probably shelled out around $250 for the 17 cards. The last of them sold tonight for $399 - the lowest I got for any of them except one (a PSA 1 with paper loss). Grand total for all 17 cards (and before eBay, Paypal and postage fees) is... Are you sitting down? ...almost fifteen thousand dollars. Not too bad for my first Strongsville visit, you think? 😀 TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 03:25:51 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) From: Jim Thayer Ken let me hold them! I feel so blessed! ;) Good for you, buddy, and congrats!! On =E2=8EWednesday=E2=8E, =E2=8EJanuary=E2=8E =E2=8E31=E2=8E, =E2=8E2018=E2=8E =E2=8E10=E2=8E:=E2=8E13=E2=8E:=E2=8E44=E2=8E =E2=8EPM=E2=8E =E2=8EEST, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hi gang, Last year I attended my first Strongsville show. I had heard some good OBC reviews, so I decided to take a week off. It also matched up well with my kids' school vacation, so I got to spend some time with them before and after the weekend show. As it is a bit of a drive from home (aboutten hours), I split the trip up by stopping in NY at my aunt's house. I also made it worth the drive by scheduling some dental work in Twinsburg, OH. The show itself was pretty good, although it was a lot smaller than I was expecting. I had a pretty good show until about an hour left, when itturned into a once in a lifetime kind of show. On my last trip around the room, I stumbled into a small stash of 1952 Topps 3rd series (131-190) graybacks... 14 in all. The seller had them moderately priced according to condition between $6 and $28 each, with most around $12. I got the stack aftera nice bulk discount for roughly nine bucks per card. I already owned three of these and immediately sold them on eBay along with two from my find. I had the other 12 of 14 slabbed by PSA. They messed up the flips on the original grading and sent them back to me marked asthe run of the mill commons. After having PSA fix their mistake and send them back to me with the correct flips denoting the variation, I waited. First of the year rolled around and I began putting them on eBay, three at a time. Almost every one was purchased by one of two buyers, both with deep pockets. All told, I probably shelled out around $250 for the 17 cards. The last of them sold tonight for $399 - the l owest I got for any of them except one (a PSA 1 with paper loss). Grand total for all 17 cards (and before eBay, Paypal and postage fees) is... Are you sitting down? ...almost fifteen thousand dollars. Not too bad for my first Strongsville visit, you think? TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 22:50:49 -0500 To: Jim Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) From: Yahoo I would like to have a astrick with my name, as I bought some dealer scum from Ken at Sams house which propelled him to go back on Sunday and make thefind of a life time!. I am super excited that I was able to help Ken go back and make this find, even if my roll was a foot note. Awesome job Ken!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2018, at 22:25, Jim Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ken let me hold them! I feel so blessed! ;) Good for you, buddy, and congrats!! > Jimi > On =E2=8EWednesday=E2=8E, =E2=8EJanuary=E2=8E =E2=8E31=E2=8E, =E2=8E2018=E2=8E =E2=8E10=E2=8E:=E2=8E13=E2=8E:=E2=8E44=E2=8E =E2=8EPM=E2=8E =E2=8EEST, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi gang, > Last year I attended my first Strongsville show. I had heard some goodOBC reviews, so I decided to take a week off. It also matched up well withmy kids' school vacation, so I got to spend some time with them before andafter the weekend show. As it is a bit of a drive from home (about ten hours), I split the trip up by stopping in NY at my aunt's house. I also made it worth the drive by scheduling some dental work in Twinsburg, OH. > The show itself was pretty good, although it was a lot smaller than I was expecting. I had a pretty good show until about an hour left, when it turned into a once in a lifetime kind of show. On my last trip around the room, I stumbled into a small stash of 1952 Topps 3rd series (131-190) gray backs... 14 in all. The seller had them moderately priced according to condition between $6 and $28 each, with most around $12.. I got the stack after anice bulk discount for roughly nine bucks per card. > I already owned three of these and immediately sold them on eBay along with two from my find. I had the other 12 of 14 slabbed by PSA. They messedup the flips on the original grading and sent them back to me marked as the run of the mill commons. After having PSA fix their mistake and send themback to me with the correct flips denoting the variation, I waited. > First of the year rolled around and I began putting them on eBay, threeat a time. Almost every one was purchased by one of two buyers, both with deep pockets. All told, I probably shelled out around $250 for the 17 cards. The last of them sold tonight for $399 - the l owest I got for any of them except one (a PSA 1 with paper loss). Grand total for all 17 cards (and before eBay, Paypal and postage fees) is... Are you sitting down? ...almost fifteen thousand dollars. Not too bad for my first Strongsville visit, you think? > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= To: Jim Thayer , Yahoo Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 04:17:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) From: richard dingman ================= Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2018 23:21:58 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Cookout? From: Ken M Sam,  What exactly is a 'late night'? I don't think I've ever left your house or gone to bed before 1 AM any night that I was there. I wouldn't worry too much about a 9 PM start. ;-) Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Wed, Jan 31, 2018 10:38 PMTo: Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Cookout? I am also good for both- I live 15 minutes from the venue, so if any OBCers wanted to spend a smaller, laid back evening hanging with me and my dog in my apartment, you would be more than welcome on nights we dont hang out at Sams. On Wed, Jan 31, 2018 at 9:50 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Sam, great to have yet another generous offering for a stellar venue! I should be good for both, and i am very neutral on preferences. Thanks! Wes Shepard  On Jan 31, 2018, at 12:44 PM, drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   I see that Mr. Morganti has made reservations for the Strongsville Show (April 13-15) as well as the National (August 1-5, 2018 at the I-X Center in Cleveland...) and I figured we should start thinking about organizing some of the festivities!! For those of you that have NOT been to one of the Cleveland shows before, I live in Twinsburg, and have an OBC Sanctioned Man Cave that I like to show off, especially to guys that "get it." My local buddies all think that its cool, they know that I "have Detroit stuff and collect baseball cards," but that's the extent of it. Not everyone appreciates the nuances and the specifics of the collection. OBC guys do. With that introduction, I'd like to open the man cave up again for an OBC get together. The Friday AND/OR Saturday of the Strongsville show would work for me. The show is April 13-15, and hours are F riday Noon until 8:00, Saturday 10:00am until 6:00, and it closes Sunday at 4:00. Again, I'm okay with any day, but my house is about a 40 minute drive from the show, and the soonest we could do anything on Friday would be 9:00, and that'd be a late night. Saturday would probably be best, although, I'm open to either. As for the actual National, I would like to recreate the OBC Cookout. The National is open until 8:00pm on the Wednesday "Sneak Peek" of National Week, but it closes at 6:00 every other night. Traditionally the OBC Swap is on the Saturday night of the National. I am fine with hosting the Swap, if that's okay with everyone, but I'd like to host a cookout on FRIDAY night, if that would work. We could have the Swap at a hotel near the IX Center, or at the Strongsville hotel that Morganti is staying at (Strongsville is only 10 minutes or so from the IX Center). Again, I'm fine with hosting the actual Swap, and if the consensus is that we have just one OBC event, then so be it. So, I'm open to discussion on what everyone wants, and would like a brief show of hands for who is coming to the Strongsville Show in April. Hopefully we'll see ALL of you at the Man Cave!! Sam Taylor Posted by: Ed Hutchinson > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group • Privacy • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use ================= To: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 00:14:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) From: "Sal Domino" HOLY HELL! I wish you had the 2 Dodgers I needed in that pile so I could have donated to the total LOL. I=E2=99d say you did pretty well on that deal. $126 to 15k. That is really good ROI ! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 31, 2018 10:13 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) Hi gang, Last year I attended my first Strongsville show. I had heard some good OBC reviews, so I decided to take a week off. It also matched up well with my kids' school vacation, so I got to spend some time with them before and after the weekend show. As it is a bit of a drive from home (about ten hours), I split the trip up by stopping in NY at my aunt's house. I also made itworth the drive by scheduling some dental work in Twinsburg, OH. The show itself was pretty good, although it was a lot smaller than I wasexpecting. I had a pretty good show until about an hour left, when it turned into a once in a lifetime kind of show. On my last trip around the room,I stumbled into a small stash of 1952 Topps 3rd series (131-190) gray backs... 14 in all. The seller had them moderately priced according to condition between $6 and $28 each, with most around $12. I got the stack after a nice bulk discount for roughly nine bucks per card. I already owned three of these and immediately sold them on eBay along with two from my find. I had the other 12 of 14 slabbed by PSA. They messed up the flips on the original grading and sent them back to me marked as the run of the mill commons. After having PSA fix their mistake and send them back to me with the correct flips denoting the variation, I waited. First of the year rolled around and I began putting them on eBay, three at a time. Almost every one was purchased by one of two buyers, both with deep pockets. All told, I probably shelled out around $250 for the 17 cards. The last of them sold tonight for $399 - the l owest I got for any of them except one (a PSA 1 with paper loss). Grand total for all 17 cards (and before eBay, Paypal and postage fees) is... Are you sitting down? ...almost fifteen thousand dollars. Not too bad for my first Strongsville visit, you think? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 07:56:23 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] baseball photography From: Michael Rich Mike Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2018, at 2:31 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > My oldest brother sent this little blip to me. I checked our her website--she is good and captures a bit of each country. > "Incidentally, I=E2=99m working on a matter involving my client, a photographer who was working for the HOF as a volunteer for the past three anda half years, who will be doing some baseball books on baseball in Latin America. She was in the DR when Vladimir Guerrero was elected to the Hall, and she says it was an unbelievable national celebration. She had some wild stories about getting rides on the back of motor scooters through town toget to the festivities. > Her web site is amazing. Check her out: Jean Fruth Images. Gorgeous, just gorgeous photos. " > peter mead ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:21:51 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: Google Groups vs. Yahoo Groups From: LAWRENCE TIPTON My suggestion would be to immediately abandon Yahoo Groups and move all these functions to the OBC Facebook page until the new web-based =E2=9Cmessage-board=E2=9D is developed and fully tested. I know there are members who avoid Facebook (myself included) but this would be a temporary move only. The Facebook format is far superior to yahoo groups anyway. It appears the OBC Facebook page is open to anyone, this may or may not have to be changed. Might be better to combine Thanks messages toonce a week to avoid overload on Facebook. Many of out =E2=9CRules of Conduct=E2=9D would have to be changed, and the OBCAC will have a big job ahead of them next year. ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 08:48:19 -0500 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Google Groups vs. Yahoo Groups From: biggies@aol.com I don't have any issues with Yahoo but obviously there are some issues and I defer to the more sophisticated. And I think FB would be fine but, I would recommend that if we make that change that we make it OBC exclusive -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 1, 2018 8:42 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Google Groups vs. Yahoo Groups My suggestion would be to immediately abandon Yahoo Groups and move all these functions to the OBC Facebook page until the new web-based =E2=9Cmessage-board=E2=9D is developed and fully tested. I know there are members who avoid Facebook (myself included) but this would be a temporary move only. The Facebook format is far superior to yahoo groups anyway. It appears the OBC Facebook page is open to anyone, this may or may not have to be changed. Might be better to combine Thanks messages toonce a week to avoid overload on Facebook. Many of out =E2=9CRules of Conduct=E2=9D would have to be changed, and the OBCAC will have a big job ahead of them next year. ================= To: "'LAWRENCE TIPTON'" , Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 09:21:25 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Google Groups vs. Yahoo Groups From: "Bob Donaldson" Yes to getting rid of Yahoo, and not just because of recent outages. It would be nice to have something that handles the display and viewing of pictures. After all that is what we do =E2=93 collect pictures of BB players. I would probably want to think it through a bit before jumping into something else. Facebook probably has some negatives (Russian trolls trying to sell us 95 Donruss). We should probably start with a list of requirements. I believe this is already being looked at by the OBCAC. Hopefully they will give us an update soon From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 8:22 AM To: obc Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Google Groups vs. Yahoo Groups My suggestion would be to immediately abandon Yahoo Groups and move all these functions to the OBC Facebook page until the new web-based =E2=9Cmessage-board=E2=9D is developed and fully tested. I know there are members who avoid Facebook (myself included) but this would be a temporary move only. The Facebook format is far superior to yahoo groups anyway. It appears the OBC Facebook page is open to anyone, this may or may not have to be changed. Might be better to combine Thanks messages toonce a week to avoid overload on Facebook. Many of out =E2=9CRules of Conduct=E2=9D would have to be changed, and the OBCAC will have a big job ahead of them next year. ================= Date: 01 Feb 2018 14:36:30 +0000 To: Subject: Re: T205s vs. T206s From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 10:48:30 -0500 To: David Luftig Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: T205s vs. T206s From: Anson Whaley Hi David - Factory 42s in T205 are a bigger deal if they are Piedmont, I believe. While the Sweet Cap Factory 42s are probably the 'best' Sweet Cap backs, I don't think they typically have a large premium associated with them. Piedmont Factory 42s are tougher and worth more. In general, there doesn't seem to be the hubbub over the T205 backs like there are with T206. I've often found rarer backs like American Beauty and Cycle being sold on eBay without any regard to the back being mentioned. There's definitely a premium for them but, in general, I don't think they're as talked about as the T206 backs are. All of that said, I'm no back expert so I'll defer to someone that might be. :) On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 9:36 AM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have another t205 question. Do t205 collectors assign extra value for > cards with the factory 42 designation? I seem to remember that t206 > collectors place a higher value on such cards. I recently bought a small > group of t205s and many of them were Sweet Caporal factory 42s. I'd love to > flip them for 15k like Ken (jkjk). > Thanks all! > David Luftig ================= Date: 01 Feb 2018 18:13:26 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: T205s vs. T206s From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:23:55 +0000 Subject: thanks this week to From: richard dingman JASON CHRISTOPHERSON for a handful of miscuts, including a 1971 Lemon and a1975 for the 1975 all mc set. BOB NEILL for a Look n See Clara Barton accompanied by 3 Scoops cards! Thanks guys! Richard D ================= To: Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 13:19:42 -0800 Subject: Re: Strongsville Find SOLD! (Finally) From: "George Vrechek" Wow Wow. I don't imagine you asked the dealer where all the gray backs came from, but do you have any clue? Their distribution has been debated. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 18:49:53 -0500 To: David Luftig Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: T205s vs. T206s From: Andy Huntoon Anson is correct regarding the popularity of the backs on t205 vs t206. But there is definitely interest in Piedmont factory 42s on T205s. There didn't used to be, but they have become known as "rare" backs in T205 in recent years. I know there are others that are way more versed on T205 than me, hi Joshua. Andy Huntoon On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:13 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Thanks for the reply. I was hoping today was the day that I'd put in my > two weeks and purchase that mountain cabin. Oh well.. > Hope all is well! > David Luftig ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 16:15:30 -0500 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Google Groups vs. Yahoo Groups From: Mike Galbreath Another group I am a member of recently moved from Yahoo to Groups.io with good results so far. I suspect our folks working on our Yahoo problem already know about Groups.io, but here is the link, just in case. https://groups.io/static/about On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 8:21 AM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My suggestion would be to immediately abandon Yahoo Groups and move all > these functions to the OBC Facebook page until the new web-based > =E2=9Cmessage-board=E2=9D is developed and fully tested. > I know there are members who avoid Facebook (myself included) but this > would be a temporary move only. The Facebook format is far superior to > yahoo groups anyway. It appears the OBC Facebook page is open to anyone, > this may or may not have to be changed. Might be better to combine Thanks > messages to once a week to avoid overload on Facebook. > Many of out =E2=9CRules of Conduct=E2=9D would have to be changed, and the OBCAC > will have a big job ahead of them next year. > Guru ================= To: "'obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com'" , Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 19:49:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Announcements] OBC 2018 report ELECTION From: "Mark Holland" As mentioned in the announcement it is time for the 2018-19 OBCAC elections. First off, we all appreciate the efforts of the current OBCAC. Here is how the election process works. . Now thru February 14, 2018 @ 2359 We will have a nomination period for people that you want to serve as the OBCAC Facilitator and Voting Members. Any OBC member can be nominated and listed on both ballots providing they meet the criteria below. Please receive confirmation from the person that you are nominating that they are willing to be placed on the ballot prior to sending in nominations. When your nomination is received I will send a confirmation email directly to you and your nominee(s) that your nomination was received and processed. Send your nomination to . From Feb 15, 2018 - Feb 28, 2359 you will have the opportunity to cast your votes from the official OBCAC ballots to elect the new committee. More details will be provided when we start the voting process. We will not share any updates until voting is completed and reviewed/verified by the current OBCAC. In summary, start the nomination process now. Please obtain concurrence from the nominee first. Then wait for the ballot to participate in the election. The election rules are below for your review. Please let me know if you have any questions. Mark Holland 2018-19 Advisory Committee election commissioner 1. Election Commissioner - One OBC member will be appointed by the OBCAC Facilitator as "Election Commissioner" (Commissioner). That person will keep track of nominations, balloting and announcing the results of OBC 2. Nominations - Each year from February 1 thru February 14, the Commissioner will accept nominations to be a candidate in simultaneous elections for (a) "OBC AC Facilitator" and (b) "OBC AC member". A member may be nominated and appear on the ballot for both positions, however the successful candidate for the position of OBC AC Facilitator will not be allowed to serve as an OBC AC member. In this circumstance, a seat on the OBC AC will fall to the eighth placed nominee on the OBC AC members ballot. Self nominations are not allowed. Inactive members are not allowed to be nominated nor serve on the OBCAC. . 3. It is the Commissioner's responsibility to obtain AC nominee's acceptance of nomination prior to Feb 15. If nomination is not accepted by Feb 15, the nominee will not appear on the ballot. 4. Candidate qualifications - Anyone who has been in OBC for at least three years is considered qualified to be nominated and elected. 5. Acceptance of nomination - All nominations must be approved of by the nominee. 6. Election - From February 15 through the end of the month, it is the responsibility for each member of OBC to send in a ballot to the Commissioner listing their choices for seven voting members and one non-voting Facilitator. Inactive members are allowed to vote. The Commissioner will keep track of all ballots. 7. OBCAC Voting Member Election - The seven candidates with the highest number of votes in the election for OBCAC Voting Member will serve as OBC AC Voting members. The candidate with the next highest total will be an Alternate Voting Member, who will serve if there is a vacancy in the OBCAC. 8. OBCAC Facilitator Election - The member with the highest number of votes in the election for OBC AC Facilitator will serve as OBC AC 9. Election results - The Commissioner shall release the voting results (but not vote totals) to the general membership on March 1. Actual vote totals shall be available privately for 30 days after the election. From: OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Announcements@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Announcements] Sent: Thursday, February 1, 2018 6:47 PM To: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Announcements] OBC January 2018 report 2018-19 ADVISORY COMMITTEE ELECTION Thanks to Mark Holland for agreeing to be the 2018-19 Advisory Committee election commissioner. Look for specifics soon from Mark. In the meantime, you can read the protocol on this election here: http://www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.php#election ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 20:55:29 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2018 OBC SuperBowl Pool!!! From: Sean McGowan I had a rough week so far :( nothing bad, just too much stuff. So, I just got to putting the names together tonight. So, I have posted the names of the people who want in, and you should all go to http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm to make sure your name is there. I will wait until tomorrow night to pick the numbers, in case some of you missed the notification and would like to join. If you are new, you can check out the history of the pool by clicking on the links at the bottom of the page... http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm So, let me know, and I will post the completed squares tomorrow evening. This means you will have to print your copy on your own printer at home, or just watch on your device :) Go OBC! ================= Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2018 21:52:20 -0500 To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com, davidluftig@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: T205s vs. T206s From: Joshua Levine I love T205 discussions... Way back in 1997ish, I started cataloging T205 backs. I used pictures and scans to do population reports on the backs. In 1998, I think I wrote up my first findings on the rarities of the different backs. Since then, some of the rarities have moved because of "finds" in the hobby but generally stay the same. Below is the rarity of the backs from my nearly complete 2015 research and survey. Over the past 17 years I have seen literally 10s of thousands of t205s and cataloged as much as I could. I stopped in 2015 due to work and baby issues but hope one day to get back to it. Much of my research can be found in the Net54 archives. Here is the rarity list. The percentage points after the backs are the approximate population of allthe cards I had cataloged from 1998 to early 2015. (the percentages have wiggle room in as I had to round to the nearest 10th or 100th of a percent). Piedmont Blue 25 -- 19.1% Polar Bear Blue -- 15.9 % Sweet Cap. Red -- 13.9 % Sweet Cap. Black 25 -- 9.6 % Sweet Cap. Black 42 -- 9.3 % Hassan Green 649 -- 8.0 % Honest Long Cut Black -- 7.9 % Sovereign Green -- 7.4 % Cycle Black -- 3.1 % Hassan Green 30 -- 2.2 % Piedmont Blue 42 -- .91 % American Beauty Green -- .81 % American Beauty Black -- .72 % Broadleaf Black -- .34 % Broadleaf Green -- .29 % Hindu Brown -- .18 % Drum Brown -- .09 % Blank Back -- .01% BTW, I still think T205 Piedmont 42s are overpriced right now being driven by demand more than rarity. I can often easily buy Amercan Beauty's for half of what piedmont 42s are bringing now. Hope this helps...feel free to ask any more questions about this set. My all time favorite! -----Original Message----- From: Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: David Luftig Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 1, 2018 3:50 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: T205s vs. T206s Anson is correct regarding the popularity of the backs on t205 vs t206. But there is definitely interest in Piedmont factory 42s on T205s. There didn't used to be, but they have become known as "rare" backs in T205 in recent years. I know there are others that are way more versed on T205 than me,hi Andy Huntoon On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 1:13 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Thanks for the reply. I was hoping today was the day that I'd put in my twoweeks and purchase that mountain cabin. Oh well.. Hope all is well! David Luftig ================= Date: 02 Feb 2018 13:57:54 +0000 To: Subject: Re: T205s vs. T206s From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 02 Feb 2018 07:17:44 -0800 To: Subject: Wauction Notes From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 02 Feb 2018 16:44:48 +0000 To: Subject: PWE's From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 02 Feb 2018 20:37:44 +0000 To: Subject: Friday Waivers From: mike.galbreath@gmail.com ================= Date: 02 Feb 2018 20:58:20 +0000 To: Subject: Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 22:04:35 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: All Time 40 Man Rosters From: Mike Mackie Hi guys On this Groundhog day, just a few weeks from the beginning of spring training, I want to share something with you that has been about 30 years in the making. Back when i was in college and beginning to develop an interest in the history of baseball (cardboard and otherwise) I would read anything I could about the men who made the game great. Somewhere along theway, I developed the idea of an all-time roster for each major league team. During my 20s, I had the goal of turning this into a book complete with biographies of the players selected. Although I did complete thewriting portion of this project around 1993 or so, I was not able to find a publisher. Then life got busy, I got married and raised a family, and the whole project was put on hold. From time to time, I would take a peak at it and sometimes go as far as to update individual rosters. Then, during last year's Playoffs, I made a concerted effort to update my rosters. What follows in the link below is my latest effort - a 40 man roster for each major league team. http://macknife13.weebly.com/all-time-40.html This is a perfect thing to share with my cardboard collecting friends in OBC and VCT. I'm interested in reactions and feedback. I'm certain there will be disagreements with some of my selections - and I'm fine with that. I explain my methodology in the link, but a few key highlights: 1) A player or manager can only appear can only appear on one roster. Most times it's clear which roster a player is on. Many times it's not. Some of this is explained on my main page.2) Each roster needs to have three players who can play each position.3) These rosters are post-1900. I have a separate 19th century team which I need to update. I also have an all Negro League team and aspecial team that I called Suitcase Simpsons (players which never stayed on one team long enough to "qualify").4) Each team will include a starting 9 followed by remaining position players and pitchers. A special note - for each team I included a "Last four in" and "first four out". I figure there could be some interesting discussions on Navigation: hopefully it is self explanatory, but individual rosters can be accessed from the top menu of the link included here. Click "All Time 40" and then navigate by division. Hope you find this interesting and a way of dealing with cabin fever until we can "PLAY BALL" once again. Mike MackieOBC / VCT ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 17:36:20 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Friday Waivers From: Mike Galbreath The Red Men on my waiver list posted this afternoon are gone. Mike Galbreath On Fri, Feb 2, 2018 at 3:37 PM, mike.galbreath@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > 1953 Red Man: Bobby Shantz (OBC shape with paper loss on front, but > includes coupon) > 1954 Red Man: Del Rice > 1959 Topps: 280 (Frank Bolling) > 1960 Leaf: 9 30 47 > 1969 Topps: 118 142 151 191 351 374 377 541 605 620 > Mike Galbreath ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 20:13:57 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC superbowl pool! squares are set From: Sean McGowan Does anyone remember how I posted the videos last year? Check the names at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm I'm picking the numbers now.... ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 20:21:51 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: SB pool - video part 1 From: Sean McGowan 4 unlucky OBC'ers don't get a 3rd square :( https://youtu.be/gLx92ic2QOY ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 21:24:29 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC SB Pool part 2! From: Sean McGowan Patriots # picked using '69 topps! https://youtu.be/pf_w6SyYXu8 ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2018 21:28:15 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC SB - part 3 From: Sean McGowan Patriots # picked using '59 topps. Sorry about the last email. That should have said "eagles numbers" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZG9lqJvrUQ ================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 03:06:12 -0500 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set From: Doug DeJong I don't recall how many years I've done this but it has been pure futility for me too! Maybe this is the year. Funny thing, I don't typically even watch the game and don't plan to this year either. Maybe that is where the bad karma comes from? Good luck everyone......Doug Sent from my iPad > On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:08 AM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm pretty sure this is the year the futility ends for me. I think it might even happen in the first quarter, when both teams score a safety and kick a field goal...5-5 at the end of one!! > Thanks for the fun, Sean! > Take Care, > Geno > From: "Sean McGowan seanobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:24 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set > Kids, > Does anyone remember how I posted the videos last year? > Check the names at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm > I'm picking the numbers now.... > Sean ================= Date: 03 Feb 2018 15:17:45 +0000 To: Subject: FOOT welcomes Joe Isaac last summer From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: 03 Feb 2018 08:09:24 -0800 To: Subject: Some waivers, take 2- baseball and non sport From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: , Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 12:01:51 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT welcomes Joe Isaac last summer [1 Attachment] From: "Sal Domino" What Mike forgot to tell you is that he had to empty all the cards out of that back seat so they could sit down=E2=A6 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2018 10:18 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT welcomes Joe Isaac last summer [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] included below] I was looking for some photos this morning on my computer. I came across this photo of Joe Isaac, John McLaughlin, Mark Talbot and I having dinner. Interesting restaurant that we got to eat inside a car. Joe is in the backleft, John back right, Mark front left and I am in the front right. No surprise to many that Mark and I have chicken wings in front of us! Mike Rich ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 17:09:35 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT welcomes Joe Isaac last summer [1 From: mark zentkovich Nice pic, thanks for sharing Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 3, 2018 9:18 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT welcomes Joe Isaac last summer [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] included below] I was looking for some photos this morning on my computer. I came across this photo of Joe Isaac, John McLaughlin, Mark Talbot and I having dinner. Interesting restaurant that we got to eat inside a car. Joeis in the back left, John back right, Mark front left and I am in the front right. No surprise to many that Mark and I have chicken wings in front of us! Mike Rich =0DVirus-free. www.avg.com =0D ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 21:31:18 -0500 Subject: 1968 MB Hot Rods From: "Sal Domino" These are just ridiculously hard to find. Guru, don't know how you did it! For any of you that have come across them, what kind of prices can be expected or what do you think is the right price for any of these? At some point, I'll pick up another MB Ryan and 2 Namaths (Jet collection and MB set), but for now, just trying to figure out the Hot Rods as I only have one of them. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: 04 Feb 2018 02:33:13 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 22:18:50 -0500 Subject: Eagles! From: "Matt Yudt" So who besides me is a huge eagles fan? There's gotta be a few Go Birds! ================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2018 20:49:18 -0800 To: BRIAN Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Eagles! From: Rick Count this northwest OBCer also in the eagle corner. My son has been an Eagles fan his whole life. has fat heads on his bedroom walls of Donovan Mcnabb and Brian Dawkins. Eagles sheets,comforter you name it its in his room. He's now married has a daughter and they live in the basement and the room is still the same. The pool room has Derek Jeter and Yankees theme in it. I was born and raised in Washington and couldn't get him to like the Marinersand Seahawks. It's Eagles and Yankees. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 3, 2018, at 7:56 PM, BRIAN familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Matt, > While I join you in loving the Fighting Phillies, I don=E2=99t share the love for the Eagles! > Go Saints! I was completely crushed by the last 10 seconds of the playoffgame against Minnesota. We Saints would have given the Eagles a fight in the NFC championship and maybe even have been in this big game. > I also don=E2=99t like the Patriots much...so I am looking forward to the commercials! (and my OBC super bowl squares) > If forced to choose, I guess I could join the Eagles bandwagon so they can feel the joy of SB victory, but my cheering has been known to backfire. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: 'Matt Yudt' mryudt@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: February 3, 2018 at 7:20 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Eagles! > So who besides me is a huge eagles fan? There=E2=99s gotta be a few > Go Birds! > Matt ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 08:38:26 -0500 To: Brian Betza Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set From: Doug DeJong Guess I don't feel so bad seeing the stats on some of the other guys! Oddly enough, I do exceptionally well with the NCAA basketball pool ---- maybe because I actually follow college basketball and I don't really watch the Superbowl, so my knowledge transfers over to a game of luck?? Haha. On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 9:33 PM, b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have become obsessed with keeping stats for the SB Pool and have all the > details if anyone cares...cue the crickets :) ... > Doug- this will be year 6 for you-- with no wins (0-5) but Geno is the one > way overdue: > Geno 0-14 > Spike-0-12 > Betza 0-11 > Stamper 0-9 > And the top winners are headed by Mr. McGowan (who tries to make sure the > odds are against him every year to no avail :)) with 5 wins > Martens 4 > Gersh 3 > Hitzeman 3 > Lindholme 3 > Yudt 3 > Welk 3 > Talbot 3 > Slugging percentage and WAR are still being developed :) Let me know if > you want any of the silly meaningless numbers that don't really mean > anything!! > Brian Betza > ---In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > I don't recall how many years I've done this but it has been pure futility > for me too! Maybe this is the year. > Funny thing, I don't typically even watch the game and don't plan to this > year either. Maybe that is where the bad karma comes from? > Good luck everyone......Doug > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:08 AM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@... > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm pretty sure this is the year the futility ends for me. I think it > might even happen in the first quarter, when both teams score a safety and > kick a field goal...5-5 at the end of one!! > Thanks for the fun, Sean! > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Sean McGowan seanobc@... [OBC-Ramblings]" yahoogroups.com> > *To:* "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > *Sent:* Friday, February 2, 2018 6:24 PM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set > Kids, > Does anyone remember how I posted the videos last year? > Check the names at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm > I'm picking the numbers now.... > Sean ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 06:09:28 -0800 To: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set From: John Stamper I might join the double digit club!! John Stamper > On Feb 4, 2018, at 5:38 AM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Guess I don't feel so bad seeing the stats on some of the other guys! > Oddly enough, I do exceptionally well with the NCAA basketball pool ---- maybe because I actually follow college basketball and I don't really watchthe Superbowl, so my knowledge transfers over to a game of luck?? Haha. >> On Sat, Feb 3, 2018 at 9:33 PM, b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> I have become obsessed with keeping stats for the SB Pool and have all the details if anyone cares...cue the crickets :) ... >> Doug- this will be year 6 for you-- with no wins (0-5) but Geno is the one way overdue: >> Geno 0-14 >> Spike-0-12 >> Betza 0-11 >> Stamper 0-9 >> And the top winners are headed by Mr. McGowan (who tries to make sure the odds are against him every year to no avail :)) with 5 wins >> Martens 4 >> Gersh 3 >> Hitzeman 3 >> Lindholme 3 >> Yudt 3 >> Welk 3 >> Talbot 3 >> Slugging percentage and WAR are still being developed :) Let me know ifyou want any of the silly meaningless numbers that don't really mean anything!! >> Brian Betza >> ---In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, wrote : >> I don't recall how many years I've done this but it has been pure futility for me too! Maybe this is the year. >> Funny thing, I don't typically even watch the game and don't plan to this year either. Maybe that is where the bad karma comes from? >> Good luck everyone......Doug >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Feb 3, 2018, at 1:08 AM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@... [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I'm pretty sure this is the year the futility ends for me. I think it might even happen in the first quarter, when both teams score a safety and kick a field goal...5-5 at the end of one!! >>> Thanks for the fun, Sean! >>> Take Care, >>> Geno >>> From: "Sean McGowan seanobc@... [OBC-Ramblings]" >>> To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" >>> Sent: Friday, February 2, 2018 6:24 PM >>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC superbowl pool! squares are set >>> Kids, >>> Does anyone remember how I posted the videos last year? >>> Check the names at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm >>> I'm picking the numbers now..... >>> Sean ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:29:52 -0500 To: obc Ramblings , Subject: UPDATE Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Thanks for all the orders. I have slabbed 43 cards and have $100 ready to send to to Kents wife Pam. Thanks to all who included some extra $$$ There is still time to participate. Easiest for me is for you to order one card ($2) two cards ($3) or three cards($4) random from Kents collection, and send PayPal to this email address. The grades of the cards have been rather low, since many do not meet my =E2=9Chigh=E2=9D standards if you know what I mean LOL. I have not assigned even one GGS10. I have slabbed a few special cards that are available for just a little extra, pictures will be posted on facebook. Prices include shipping! 1. For the =E2=9Csneaker=E2=9D collector out there, I have a =E2=9Cpair=E2=9D of Chuck Taylors (1970 Topps #119) both GGS 2 for $5 2. 1970 Topps Seattle Pilots cards #323 (EX5) #111 (GOOD2) $5 3. 1970 Topps #279 =E2=9DSpaceman=E2=9D Bill Lee GGS EX 5 $5 4. 1978 Topps #541 Larry =E2=9CPornstash=E2=9D Cox GGS 2 (FOUR AVAILABLE) at $5 each 5. 1979 Topps #39 Dale Murphy GGS 2 $5 6. 1979 Topps #348 Andre Dawson GGS 1 $5 7. 1970 Topps #40 Rich Allen GGS 1 $5 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 10:45:29 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Burbank Sportscards From: "Thomas W. Billing" I wonder if anyone else has had this experience with Burbank Sportscards oneBay. About a year ago I bought a 1964 Larry Walker with the lines through the Indians at the top. The card that came was NOT it, and they said they use stock photos. I had complained to eBay before about them and was told that they were not allowed to do that. Now that eBay sees how much moneythey make off of them, it apparently is fine. Last week I bought a 1960 Charlie Neal with the blue lines by his head. The result was the same. I guess the lesson learned is to not count on them. I had emailed about the Neal and was told that this was the card and then it was not. Thankfully the vast majority of sellers are ethical and deliver what they show. When I type in the message that the card sent must be the card shown, I offend many of them who think I am challenging their ethics and I am not. Tom Billing ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:22:10 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Milton Bradley Hot Rod Cards From: LAWRENCE TIPTON 22 different MB hot rod cards in the set: 1 2 5 6 7 8 10 11 12 13 16 17 18 20 22 24 26 28 29 31 32 33 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:39:29 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re Burbank Sportscards From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Yes they use stock photos. But what is =E2=9Cfunny=E2=9D is that manyof the =E2=9Cstock=E2=9D photos they use depict the tough to find variations? ================= Date: 04 Feb 2018 19:01:58 +0000 To: Subject: Who needed 1971 # 649 (Sparky Lyle) to kill their set? From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 14:02:37 -0500 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards From: "Thomas W. Billing" Yes, at least the two times I mentioned this happened. I always put the =E2=9Cmessage to sender=E2=9D that THIS is the only card I will accept and to cancel the deal if it is not. I also say WHY I want it to help them. I realize they are a big dealer but somehow Dean=E2=99s is always able to show the exact card to be sent and they are probably as large as Burbank. I appreciate Scottsdale Cards just using their logo for every card since they do not have a scan. Of course I never order from them because I do not see what they have. eBay once told me that sellers must show the exact item but now that has changed. Tom Billing > On Feb 4, 2018, at 1:39 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Yes they use stock photos. But what is =E2=9Cfunny=E2=9D is that many of the =E2=9Cstock=E2=9D photos they use depict the tough to find variations? > Guru ================= To: "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 13:46:15 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards From: mark zentkovich Hello Tom- have you tried calling the owner and asking him to help with your variation lists? Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:02 PM To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Cc: obc Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards Yes, at least the two times I mentioned this happened. I always put the =E2=9Cmessage to sender=E2=9D that THIS is the only card I will accept and to cancel the deal if it is not. I also say WHY I want it tohelp them. I realize they are a big dealer but somehow Dean=E2=99s is always able to show the exact card to be sent and they are probably aslarge as Burbank. I appreciate Scottsdale Cards just using their logo for every card since they do not have a scan. Of course I never order from them because I do not see what they have. eBay once told me that sellers must show the exact item but now that has changed. Tom Billing On Feb 4, 2018, at 1:39 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Yes they use stock photos. But what is =E2=9Cfunny=E2=9D is that manyof the =E2=9Cstock=E2=9D photos they use depict the tough to find variations? =0DVirus-free. www.avg.com =0D ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 14:47:29 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Collect value help - Dealer Sum Please read From: Robert Fitts Hi Guys I friend of mine is looking to sell his collection. I=E2=99m looking for help guessing its value and also looking for buyers. He has a strong runof Topps sets from 1954 to present in baseball and football plus some basketball. AND many many collector sets (TCMA etc) Sets before 1968 are VG toG/f. After 1968 seems to be EX/MT. He has given me a spread sheet of all of the sets. Could anybody help me guess what the collection is worth? Anybody want to make a serious offer? Email me and I=E2=99ll send you the excel file, Rob fitts ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 14:00:51 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Eagles! From: Christophersons My boy has been a huge Eagles fan since he could play Madden. By default, that puts me in the Fly Eagles Fly club. Jason C Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 15:03:23 -0500 To: mzentko@yahoo.com, billingtw@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards [1 Attachment] From: Joshua Levine Tom and all...I have known Rob for a LONG time. I truly hate what his "store" has become. It actually started out in a strip of stores built in the 1940s and his father owned a coin store there. When Rob was a teenager, he took over half the store and started with selling baseball cards. He used to have a great set up with a bid board, off condition boxes, and vintage and new separated and numbered, his mom or dad or Rob would welcome you in every time. Eventually the store was so successful and he had moved to selling by phone and internet, he moved to a large location down the street. Very nice, organized clean store but it lost a bit of the old time feel with no bid board and everything behind or under glass, even packs and boxes. Again,he became successful and eventually moved to his currently location. A huge warehouse. It literally has a front hallway where his workers sit behind desks or glass and if you want something, you tell them, and they go back into the warehouse to get it. It is the coldest excuse for a card store in the country. You could try to call Rob but he is rarely around there anymore. It is sad because he is very knowledgeable about cards but has just turned his store into the Walmart of card stores. -----Original Message----- From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Thomas W. Billing Cc: obc Ramblings Sent: Sun, Feb 4, 2018 11:46 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] Hello Tom- have you tried calling the owner and asking him to help with your variation lists? Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 1:02 PM To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Cc: obc Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards Yes, at least the two times I mentioned this happened. I always put the =E2=9Cmessage to sender=E2=9D that THIS is the only card I will accept and to cancel the deal if it is not. I also say WHY I want it to help them. I realize they are a big dealer but somehow Dean=E2=99s is always able to show the exact card to be sent and they are probably as large as Burbank. I appreciate Scottsdale Cards just using their logo for every card since they do not have a scan. Of course I never order from them because I do not see what they have. eBay once told me that sellers must show the exact item but now that has changed. Tom Billing On Feb 4, 2018, at 1:39 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Yes they use stock photos. But what is =E2=9Cfunny=E2=9D is that manyof the =E2=9Cstock=E2=9D photos they use depict the tough to find variations? Virus-free. www.avg.com ================= To: LAWRENCE TIPTON , "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 20:09:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards From: richard dingman This is, of course, an issue for me as well, although it is an infrequent one. An online dealer will show a photo of a rare variation and send a common non-variation after you buy. Somewhere on the ad will be a disclaimer that the card pictured is a stock photo and may not be the card sent. I will bitch but likely not get satisfaction because, of course, they had a disclaimer, But is it really a "stock" photo? That is extremely unlikely because the variation is too rare to be a "stock" photo, and what is much more likely isthat the dealer specifically chose this specific photo to sucker us into overpaying for a common. And I have, in my understandable excitement, failed to notice the disclaimer on more than one occasion. Just last week I found, on Sportlots, a pink tree variation of 1966 Hefner,XM. The purple tree variation is fairly unusual but findable but the pinktree seems to me to be actually rare and I had been looking for a reasonably priced one for years. So for $5 I jumped on it. A day later I noticed that some Sprtlots dealers have a disclaimer about the photos and I thought, Oh boy, I bet I missed seeing the disclaimer. I don't buy much from Sportlots and am not very familiar with their site orlistings, so I figured it was 99% likely that I will get a normal non-variation and will have to go through the process of trying to undo the transaction. The envelope came in the mail and I was dreading opening it but to my surprise, when I did, the pink tree variation was inside! Yay! So I think Tom's advice to send a message to the dealer is good but may notalways save your bacon. Also, if you tell them why, ie that the card is arare variation and I am buying it because it is worth much more (to me anyway) than your asking price, it is quite possible that the dealer will thendecide to cancel your bid, re-list, and raise the price way up. The tribulations of variation collectors ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 2:02 PM To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Cc: obc Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re Burbank Sportscards Yes, at least the two times I mentioned this happened. I always put the =93message to sender=94 that THIS is the only card I will accept and to cancel the deal if it is not. I also say WHY I want it to help them. I realize they are a big dealer but somehow Dean=92s is always able to show the exact card to be sent and they are probably as large as Burbank. I appreciate Scottsdale Cards just using their logo for every card since they do not have a scan. Of course I never order from them because I do not see what they have. eBay once told me that sellers must show the exact item but now that has changed. Tom Billing On Feb 4, 2018, at 1:39 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Yes they use stock photos. But what is =93funny=94 is that many of the =93stock=94 photos they use depict the tough to find variations? ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 16:10:18 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: SB pool updates From: Sean McGowan Dear OBC'ers (or at least 34 of you), I will not be near a computer during the game, so I will have to post the winners later tonight. have fun! Good luck to everyone, particularly to those guys with so little success over the years :) the pool is at: Have a great evening! ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 17:07:26 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: What year was Joe Shlabotnik's baseball card? From: Wayne Delia In a famous Peanuts Sunday comic strip, Charlie Brown spends five dollars on baseball cards looking for one of his hero, Joe Shlabotnik, with no luck. Lucy, of course, buys one cent worth of baseball cards, and gets Joe Shlabotnik. Charlie Brown offers her a ridiculously one-sided trade in Lucy's favor, but she turns down the trade offer because she thinks Joe Shlabotnik's cute. Brokenhearted, Charlie Brown walks away, then Lucy throws Joe's card out, saying he wasn't that cute after all. Charlie Brown offers the following cards in trade: Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts, Luis Aparicio, Bill Monbouquette, Dick Stuart, Juan Pizzaro, Nellie Fox, Dick Donovan, Willie Kirkland, Frank Lary, Al Kaline, Orlando Pena, Jerry Lumpe, Camilo Pascual, Harmon Killebrew, Bob Turley, Albie Pearson, Tom Cheney, Chuck Cottier, Willie Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Maury Wills, Sandy Koufax, Frank Robinson, Bob Purkey, Bill Mazeroski, Harvey Haddix, Warren Spahn, Hank Aaron, Tony Gonzalez, Art Mahaffey, Roger Craig, Duke Snider, Don Nottebart, Al Spangler, Curt Simmons, Stan Musial, Ernie Banks, and Larry Jackson. I'm guessing 1963 because of the mention of Maury Wills who appeared in the Fleer set, but that could have been some artistic/poetic license taken by Charles Schultz. My question is, which single year featured baseball cards of all or the most of those players listed? Charlie Brown was the author of the Joe Shlabotnik Fan Club newsletter, in which he wrote "Joe had a pretty good season in right field last year. He made a spectacular catch on a routine fly ball, and threw out a runner who had fallen down between first and second." ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wayne Delia Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 22:39:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What year was Joe Shlabotnik's baseball card? From: Taylor Schock My first guess was 1960, but I think also 1962 (more familiar am I, than 1961 and 1963) since I think all of those players were in those sets (sans Wills). But it very well could be 1963 for all of them (including a Fleer Wills). That specific strip appears August 18, 1963 and was the first reference to Joltless http://peanuts.wikia.com/wiki/Joe_Shlabotnik [https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/peanuts/images/7/71/19630818.jpg/revision/latest?cb20131015014322] Joe Shlabotnik is a retired major league baseball player and, like all adults, an unseen... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 4, 2018 5:07 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What year was Joe Shlabotnik's baseball card? In a famous Peanuts Sunday comic strip, Charlie Brown spends five dollars on baseball cards looking for one of his hero, Joe Shlabotnik, with no luck.Lucy, of course, buys one cent worth of baseball cards, and gets Joe Shlabotnik. Charlie Brown offers her a ridiculously one-sided trade in Lucy's favor, but she turns down the trade offer because she thinks Joe Shlabotnik'scute. Brokenhearted, Charlie Brown walks away, then Lucy throws Joe's cardout, saying he wasn't that cute after all. Charlie Brown offers the following cards in trade: Whitey Ford, Robin Roberts, Luis Aparicio, Bill Monbouquette, Dick Stuart, Juan Pizzaro, Nellie Fox, Dick Donovan, Willie Kirkland, Frank Lary, Al Kaline, Orlando Pena, Jerry Lumpe, Camilo Pascual, Harmon Killebrew, Bob Turley, Albie Pearson, Tom Cheney, Chuck Cottier, Willie Mays, Orlando Cepeda, Maury Wills, Sandy Koufax, Frank Robinson, Bob Purkey, Bill Mazeroski, Harvey Haddix, Warren Spahn, Hank Aaron, Tony Gonzalez, Art Mahaffey, Roger Craig, Duke Snider, Don Nottebart, Al Spangler, Curt Simmons, Stan Musial, Ernie Banks, and Larry Jackson. I'm guessing 1963 because of the mention of Maury Wills who appeared in theFleer set, but that could have been some artistic/poetic license taken by Charles My question is, which single year featured baseball cards of all or the most of those players listed? Charlie Brown was the author of the Joe Shlabotnik Fan Club newsletter, in which he wrote "Joe had a pretty good season in right field last year. He made a spectacular catch on a routine fly ball, and threw out a runner who had fallen down between first and second." ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 19:30:01 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quick card show report From: Doug DeJong Drove a bit over an hour down to Greenville SC yesterday for a card show. Just a few years ago I could have gone to a show like this one and pulled dozens of hits from the quarter, fifty cent and dollar boxes. But as a testament to both progress on my wantlist and better discipline in focusing on finishing some sets before chasing in new directions, I was quite contentwalking out with seven cards total....three hits to the 58 list to get it down to seven, 1 each to three other sets and a very nice T206 hit. There was a great dollar box that was well represented with 53-56 Topps but nothing I needed. Long way for seven cards (and three comics) but my wife had some shopping to do and we hit up a great restaurant as we made a day of it. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 22:15:58 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1968 MB Hot Rods From: Mike Glasser Which one do you have? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Feb 3, 2018 9:31 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1968 MB Hot Rods These are just ridiculously hard to find. Guru, don=E2=99t know how you did it! For any of you that have come across them, what kind of prices canbe expected or what do you think is the right price for any of these? At some point, I=E2=99ll pick up another MB Ryan and 2 Namaths (Jet collection and MB set), but for now, just trying to figure out the Hot Rods as I only have one of them. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2018 23:26:28 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Superbowl Pool winners! From: Sean McGowan Congrats to the 4 lucky winners, and to any Eagles fans! Check the results at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm Bob Neill Mike Galbreath Kevin Martens TJ Valacak You 4 get your wantlists cleaned up! Everyone else, remember to email me with the number of cards you are sending to each person... I'm not checking up on who sends cards, I'm just adding to the totals! Go OBC! ================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 09:13:48 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Superbowl Pool winners! From: Mike Galbreath I'm stunned. Mike Galbreath On Sun, Feb 4, 2018 at 11:26 PM, Sean McGowan seanobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Congrats to the 4 lucky winners, and to any Eagles fans! > Check the results at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm > Bob Neill > Mike Galbreath > Kevin Martens > TJ Valacak > You 4 get your wantlists cleaned up! > Everyone else, remember to email me with the number of cards you are > sending to each person... I'm not checking up on who sends cards, I'm just > adding to the totals! > Go OBC! > Sean ================= Date: 05 Feb 2018 16:56:08 +0000 To: Subject: T202 End Panels From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 05 Feb 2018 23:10:58 +0000 To: Subject: Baseball in Mexico From: grains@shaw.ca ================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2018 18:15:37 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: =?utf-8?Q?The_Kid=E2=99s_Wonderful_Waivers!?From: Jake Brewer Back with another round of waivers! Claim these cards guys, they need a new home- and I want an empty dupes box! Please include address to make this quicker for me! =E233 Goudey: 101 =E252 Topps: 82, 229 =E255 Topps: 117 x2, 136 =E257 Topps: 244 =E259 Topps: 187, 411 =E260 Topps: 19, 44, 45, 112, 131, 150, 166, 168, 181, 186, 191, 201,203, 207, 208, 220, 341 =E261 Topps: 12, 33, 59, 108, 115, 128, 139, 148, 158, 213, 216 =E262 Topps: 92, 110 =E263 Topps: 61, 88 =E264 Topps: 31, 39, 151, 283 =E265 Topps: 76 =E266 Topps: 27, 31, 111, 122 x2, 145,173, 179, 249 =E267 Topps: 7, 11, 13, 22, 29, 37, 52, 56, 86, 122 =E268 Topps: 127, 452, 189 =E269 Topps: 4, 19, 24, 25, 38 x2, 40 x2, 45, 47, 48 x2, 53, 57, 59, 62, 66, 67, 71, 77, 84 x2, 88, 89, 91 x2, 93, 94, 96 x3, 101, 103, 104, 107, 109, 117, 127, 132, 136, 139 x3, 147, 158, 206, 215, 279, 332, 342, 346, 359, 365 x2, 386, 387, 404, 417, 418, 422, 478 -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 05 Feb 2018 23:11:00 +0000 To: Subject: Baseball in Mexico From: grains@shaw.ca ================= Date: 06 Feb 2018 01:40:46 +0000 To: Subject: Huntin' With Huntoon...... From: rangersteve7@optonline.net ================= Date: 06 Feb 2018 17:39:36 +0000 To: Subject: Bob Chapman... in 1975 From: goose54197783@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 15:23:58 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project From: mikesportsfan@aol.com A quick update. We have already received donations or pledges of over $150. There are still a number of cards left. The 3 years with the most cardsavailable are 1970, 1968 & 1965. Get your momento of Kent and help his widow, Pam, out at the same time. See below for details. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 4:08 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project For those of you who are new to OBC, we have a long history of doing projects when a member passes away or has some other major event in their life that we want to assist with. Usually we ask guys to donate cards for an auction. We have set up scholarship funds for deceased members kids, assisted with burial expenses, etc. This is a new project idea that for a nominal amount we hope everyone can participate in. You may also have started to learn that OBC has its own slang language. Go to the OBC homepage and under OBC Specials, there is a link to the OBC Slang Dictionary. Guru Grading Service (GGS) is a term we use for cards slabbed by Larry "Guru" Tipton as a spoof on PSA and the other grading services. Most of you are aware that long time OBC member, Kent Montgomery, passed away a few years ago. OBC, led by Anson Whaley, recently assisted his widow, Pam Montgomery, liquidate almost all of his collection. Approximately 150 vintage (1960s & 1970s) cards were set aside to be sold to OBCers as a keepsake and a small fundraiser for Pam. These are all commons. Larry "Guru" Tipton has agreed that the Guru Grading Service "GGS" will "slab" individual cards as being part of the Kent Montgomery collection. They will be made available to OBCers for the minimum price of $2 for the first card and $1 for each additional card someone wants, which includes postage and handling. You are welcome to make a larger donation. Payment is to be made by Paypal Friends and Family to Guru at: LarryTipton@windstream.net All net proceeds (proceeds less cost of postage) will be sent to Pam Montgomery upon completion of the project or at the end of February. While this will be a small fundraiser for Pam, we hope to raise a hundred or two for a small group of common cards that Pam would not have receivedanything additional for them. For members you get a keepsake of a long time member and a card from GGS! While Guru will distribute the cards randomly he will TRY to send you a card from your favorite team if you let him know which team you prefer. I believe Kent's favorite team was the Pirates. You may order as many cards as you like, but there are only 150 cards left from Kent's collection. I hope everyone in the group will want at least 1 in Kent's memory! To order,please e-mail Guru at: LarryTipton@windstream.net If you have any further questions, please contact me. Thank you to Guru and Anson for making this pro ject possible. Mike Rich ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 02:15:23 +0000 Subject: Hypotheitcal From: richard dingman Let's just suppose that someone was going to drive, hypothetically, from Massachusetts to Las Vegas and maybe Palm Springs, and hadn't yet planned a route. And take 10 days or so to do so. What, if any, are great card shops for vintage baseball and non-sport he might visit on the way? ================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 19:21:40 -0700 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal From: Geno Wagner There is a great place in Denver!! Ask the lads...they=E2=99ll vouch for Take Care, Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 6, 2018, at 7:15 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Let's just suppose that someone was going to drive, hypothetically, from Massachusetts to Las Vegas and maybe Palm Springs, and hadn't yet planned aroute. And take 10 days or so to do so. > What, if any, are great card shops for vintage baseball and non-sport he might visit on the way? > Best, > Richard ================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 21:27:31 -0500 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal From: "Thomas W. Billing" AU in Morton Grove, IL Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:21 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > There is a great place in Denver!! Ask the lads...they=E2=99ll vouch for > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 6, 2018, at 7:15 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Let's just suppose that someone was going to drive, hypothetically, fromMassachusetts to Las Vegas and maybe Palm Springs, and hadn't yet planned a route. And take 10 days or so to do so. >> What, if any, are great card shops for vintage baseball and non-sport hemight visit on the way? >> Best, >> Richard ================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 21:56:11 -0500 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal From: ShoelessWes Well, you gotta take I-70. Dayton has 4 card shops, the monthly card show, AA baseball stadium, and Air Force Museum. If you like the 1952 wings, you'll love the wright patterson air force museum. Wes Shepard > On Feb 6, 2018, at 9:15 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Let's just suppose that someone was going to drive, hypothetically, from Massachusetts to Las Vegas and maybe Palm Springs, and hadn't yet planned aroute. And take 10 days or so to do so. > What, if any, are great card shops for vintage baseball and non-sport he might visit on the way? > Best, > Richard ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 23:33:31 -0500 Subject: Exhibits From: "Sal Domino" Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are the same. My guess is that these are 1977s? What say the exhibit experts? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2018 20:52:38 -0800 To: Sal Domino , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: Rick They look real they do come in different tint assuming just different yearswithin the series but I'm not an expert. Not sure if you meant 1977 or typo. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 6, 2018, at 8:33 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are the same. My guess is that these are 1977s? > What say the exhibit experts? > > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2018 23:32:38 -0600 To: "'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: mzentko ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 04:17:19 -0500 To: mzentko Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: chris tripler Look at the backs. If they=E2=99re gray-backed those are the older reprints. The creme-colored are the originals (one way of telling)... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2018, at 12:32 AM, mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > 1980 exhibit reprints came in different colors and can be seen on eBay > Mark Z > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message -------- > From: "'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 2/6/2018 10:33 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits > Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are the same. My guess is that these are 1977s? > What say the exhibit experts? > > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: 07 Feb 2018 13:14:39 +0000 To: Subject: Renegade Wauction Closes Tomorrow From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Sal Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 13:26:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: Taylor Schock BOTH of those could be legit. Check the backs to see if they are both creamcolor. Some of these came in 3 different fronts. Sepia (right), reddish-brown (left), and 'true' black and white. And some of the differences are difficult to tell, even side by side (sepia vs B&W). My guess from the pic, inlooking at the toning, they are BOTH legit. No-one's going to try to artificially age a Hatton card. The Mick, yea. Grady, no. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:33 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are thesame. My guess is that these are 1977s? What say the exhibit experts? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google Sites CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... ================= To: "'Sal Domino'" , Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 08:33:14 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: "Bob Donaldson" There are subtle, and sometimes not so subtle differences in Exhibits from year to year. Those both look ok to me, although a back that was white or grey as oppsed to cream colored would indicate a reprint. Some years the fronts were B&W, some they were in sepia. This link will take you to a good guide http://keymancollectibles.com/exhibitdatechart.htm From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:34 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are the same. My guess is that these are 1977s? What say the exhibit experts? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 08:40:31 -0500 To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, brightair@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I agree with Tom that AU in Morton Grove, IL (just outside of Chicago) is great. Walker Guthrie took me to a card store in or near Denver, that was an old time store. Vintage, but not that welol organized. Walker was cracking up watching me crawl around on the floor looking at stuff. There was another one near Colorado Springs (a few hours south) that I will try and find the name If you take a more southern route, there are a couple of stores near St. Louis that were OK. If you end up taking the Ohio turnpike into Indiana on a weekend, there is likely to be a card show nearby. A few weekends a month, there are card shows in the Detroit area. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: richard dingman Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Feb 6, 2018 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal There is a great place in Denver!! Ask the lads...they=E2=99ll vouch for Take Care, Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2018, at 7:15 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Let's just suppose that someone was going to drive, hypothetically, from Massachusetts to Las Vegas and maybe Palm Springs, and hadn't yet planned a route. And take 10 days or so to do so. What, if any, are great card shops for vintage baseball and non-sport he might visit on the way? ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 07:52:39 -0600 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: Nate Mack Agree with a few of the guys above. Both of these look legit and it is fairly common to have these color differences since the same players cards were printed across 20 years sometimes. The backs are a very good tell, creamor tan is good. Nate Mack Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2018, at 7:33 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sal > There are subtle, and sometimes not so subtle differences in Exhibits from year to year. Those both look ok to me, although a back that was white or grey as oppsed to cream colored would indicate a reprint. Some years thefronts were B&W, some they were in sepia. This link will take you to a good guide http://keymancollectibles.com/exhibitdatechart.htm > HTH > Bob > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, February 6, 2018 11:34 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits > Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are the same. My guess is that these are 1977s? > What say the exhibit experts? > > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Geno Wagner Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 14:09:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal From: Taylor Schock >>> It's pretty big, and reminds you of the card shops of the 70s. Could it be because it's been there since the 70s??? Well, maybe not that far back. But I'm pretty sure it was there at the same location since as farback as the mid-80s when I lived in Denver. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 9:00 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal The Denver one is called Bill's Collectibles. It's a great place to poke around in. It's pretty big, and reminds you of the card shops of the 70s. Take Care, From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com; brightair@msn.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, February 7, 2018 6:49 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal I agree with Tom that AU in Morton Grove, IL (just outside of Chicago) is great. Walker Guthrie took me to a card store in or near Denver, that was an old time store. Vintage, but not that welol organized. Walker was cracking up watching me crawl around on the floor looking at stuff. There was another one near Colorado Springs (a few hours south) that I will try and find the name If you take a more southern route, there are a couple of stores near St. Louis that were OK. If you end up taking the Ohio turnpike into Indiana on a weekend, there is likely to be a card show nearby.. A few weekends a month, there are card shows in the Detroit area. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: richard dingman Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Feb 6, 2018 10:02 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hypotheitcal There is a great place in Denver!! Ask the lads...they=92ll vouch for me! Take Care, Sent from my iPhone On Feb 6, 2018, at 7:15 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Let's just suppose that someone was going to drive, hypothetically, from Massachusetts to Las Vegas and maybe Palm Springs, and hadn't yet planned a route. And take 10 days or so to do so. What, if any, are great card shops for vintage baseball and non-sport he might visit on the way? ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 09:10:29 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Superbowl Pool winners! From: KEVINM38@aol.com That makes 2 of us I wrote this year off with numbers like 9/0 9/3 and 1/1 You never know and it was a great game it was good to see the Eagles win I have a temporary address My address is 14114 Grosse Pointe Lane Fort Myers FL 33919 Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:18:16 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Card Shops From: "Thomas W. Billing" I lost the last email about someone playing hockey in Springfield (OH) on Lowry. I must ask if you mean skating on the now snow and ice covered street or there is really a rink there somewhere. I seldom go to town. As to shops, I spent a small fortune at Joe=E2=99s Card Shop in the late1980=E2=99s when my addiction started. Joe Borte had his place in the back room area and it is now out in the coin shop. Joe had TONS of vintagestuff and I traded a lot of extras with him. I go to TCI Sports Fan in Dayton to buy album sheets but also have bought some cards on a trip to two. Terry Carter and his mom are very nice and good to deal with. I was not aware of the other two mentioned and may have to check them out. I also failed to list Xenia Coin Shop in the list as this was where I really got started since I had gone there to buy Lincoln cents and and saw all the vintagestuff he had. Others that I doubt still do this anymore are Ohio Coin in Springfield and Bill=E2=99s Card Den in Waynesville. Tom Billing ================= To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 08:36:27 -0800 Subject: Re: Exhibits From: "George Vrechek" I thought I would chime in belatedly but the computer has me stumped. Sal=92s photos didn=92t come through on my email and I couldn=92t find any on the yahoo ramblings photo files. In any event, this is from my article on exhibits on our library page: =93In 1968 ESCO switched their card stock from the normal grayish-cream color to white for any subsequent issues which included movie stars, beach bunnies, automobiles and TV stars. They also issued 24 new Hall of Fame cards of retired players in 1974 and 64 in 1977 using the white stock. It is quite possible that the company also reprinted other baseball and arcade cards on white stock after 1968. Exhibit cards with 1927 copyright dates have been found with white backs. The originals are still inexpensive. Why would someone counterfeit cheap cards? It is likely that ESCO printed these cards after 1968 without changing anything else to fill orders for old Cards have been found that were likely reprinted by others after 1980 on dark cardboard with muted coloring or on even whiter cardboard than ESCO used with no notations. Several such reprints included New York teams. White-backed baseball exhibit cards using the ESCO photos can be found today in arcade machines at the Mus=E9e M=E9canique, San Francisco's Antique Penny Arcade, but bring four quarters for a card instead of a penny. Vintage arcade machines are also collectable, but take up a lot more room than the The many post-1966 baseball exhibit creations have confused purchasers, especially if you are just looking at a photograph of the card. It helps to have the card in hand to know if you are getting a cheaply produced reprint from unknown origin, an ESCO reprint of an older issue or a cheaply produced original from ESCO=92s vintage years. The good news is that most of the vintage exhibit cards are still reasonably priced.=94 ================= To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 12:47:46 -0500 Subject: combined shipping on buy it now From: "Bob Donaldson" Does anyone know how combined shipping would work on a but it now? Assuming I want to buy 4-5 cards from a seller. ================= Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 17:50:09 +0000 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now From: Matthew Glidden Try messaging the buyer in advance to see what order they prefer. I've had discounts applied retroactively to the total purchase in that situation. On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 12:48 PM 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > Does anyone know how combined shipping would work on a but it now? > Assuming I want to buy 4-5 cards from a seller. > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 10:16:33 -0800 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now From: John Stamper I think if you "add to cart" and than check out and ask seller for combinedshipping that should work. John Stamper > On Feb 7, 2018, at 9:47 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > Does anyone know how combined shipping would work on a but it now? Assuming I want to buy 4-5 cards from a seller. > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 11:23:45 -0800 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now From: Rick You can do it two ways the way John said about putting them in your cart and ask seller for invoice problem with that is someone else can still buy them until the seller responds. Second as long as the bin isn't an automatic pay you can buy them individually and DON'T pay then the seller will adjust the shipping and send you an invoice to reflect the correct shipping. If it's immediate pay then you have to use the cart. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:16 AM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I think if you "add to cart" and than check out and ask seller for combined shipping that should work. > John Stamper >> On Feb 7, 2018, at 9:47 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hi >> Does anyone know how combined shipping would work on a but it now? Assuming I want to buy 4-5 cards from a seller. >> Thanks >> Bob ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 15:40:05 -0500 To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net, rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now From: Mike Glasser If they are in your cart, it asks you to commit to buying so no one else can get it before you. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Rick ; John Stamper Cc: Bob Donaldson ; obc-ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 2:57 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now I think there is an option to request an invoice from the seller I have done this after buying it now Tom Billing Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, February 7, 2018, 2:23 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: You can do it two ways the way John said about putting them in your cart and ask seller for invoice problem with that is someone else can still buy them until the seller responds. Second as long as the bin isn't an automatic pay you can buy them individually and DON'T pay then the seller will adjust the shipping and send you an invoice to reflect the correct shipping. If it's immediate pay then you have to use the cart. Sent from my iPad On Feb 7, 2018, at 10:16 AM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I think if you "add to cart" and than check out and ask seller for combinedshipping that should work. John Stamper On Feb 7, 2018, at 9:47 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Does anyone know how combined shipping would work on a but it now? Assuming I want to buy 4-5 cards from a seller. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:13:15 -0500 To: obcbobd@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now From: Mike Glasser Oftentimes I just pay the extra postage if the system doesn't allow combining and almost everyone pays me back for the extra. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 1:18 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] combined shipping on buy it now Does anyone know how combined shipping would work on a but it now? Assuming I want to buy 4-5 cards from a seller. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 16:59:10 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 56 topps football contest cards From: Rick Slow to the party but learn not too long ago the 56 football set has a bunch of contest cards like the 57 baseball set. I have the checklist card alsolooks very similar to the 56 baseball checklists and this contest card. Does anyone collect these and have any dupes? This one is a dupe but I need the other four would love to swap for one of the others. Rick ================= To: Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 21:13:51 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: "Sal Domino" These have the cream backs. Did the originals have the sepia and other color variations? Were the 1980 all gray or white backs? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:17 AM To: mzentko Cc: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits Look at the backs. If they=E2=99re gray-backed those are the older reprints. The creme-colored are the originals (one way of telling)... Sent from my iPhone On Feb 7, 2018, at 12:32 AM, mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] 1980 exhibit reprints came in different colors and can be seen on eBay Mark Z Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 2/6/2018 10:33 PM (GMT-06:00) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are thesame. My guess is that these are 1977s? What say the exhibit experts? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2018 21:27:52 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Ebay silliness From: Ken M Hi there everyone,  I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I have three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no.   I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the footba ll set by buying a couple group lots that both had the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DS if anyone's interested.  I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store all my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued.   I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each y ear - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I have been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them.  I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 03:50:36 +0000 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits From: Bob Donaldson Originals nan be sepia or b&w On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 9:14 PM 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > These have the cream backs. Did the originals have the sepia and other > color variations? Were the 1980 all gray or white backs? > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *chris tripler > cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 07, 2018 4:17 AM > *To:* mzentko > *Cc:* 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]; > obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits > Look at the backs. If they=E2=99re gray-backed those are the older reprints. > The creme-colored are the originals (one way of telling)... > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 7, 2018, at 12:32 AM, mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > 1980 exhibit reprints came in different colors and can be seen on eBay > Mark Z > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message -------- > From: "'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 2/6/2018 10:33 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits > Mike McCann came across these with different fronts, says the backs are > the same. My guess is that these are 1977s? > What say the exhibit experts? > > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2018 23:20:37 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness From: mikesportsfan@aol.com There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always beon Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to stayaway from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actuallybeen checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even better price. No rush. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness Hi there everyone, I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I havethree Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzlepiece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom rowmust be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DS if anyone's interested. I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc- both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turnedout OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I havebeen unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goalis to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: 08 Feb 2018 11:29:41 +0000 To: Subject: Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 07:07:20 -0500 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a #4... Sam Taylor On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi Rick, > Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. I > killed the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't > chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. > I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4. I > didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a > couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both > for under $30. Good luck with the chase. > Tom H. Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 08:58:41 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's, Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a black stripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58 with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cut off when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishable from the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, they were used in Cup Cake backings. Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... Sam Taylor On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Ken, > There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always > be on Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to > stay away from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have > actually been checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay > purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including > handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent > $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, > plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my > watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even > better price. No rush. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > Hi there everyone, > I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither > item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 > shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I > have three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't > read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers > pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one > more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL > bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks > ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. > I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both > baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with > just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball > set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I > also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had > the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within > eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides > that to DS if anyone's interested. > I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find > them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per > disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I > have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's > disc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot > more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll > my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in > each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were > issued. > I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. > Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how > many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It > turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs.I > should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year.I > have been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual > goal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print > Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. > I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer > sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two > sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for > me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. > Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com Sam Taylor ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "Samuel E. Taylor" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 14:08:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness From: JAY TYSVER Someone sent me this spreadsheet a couple of years ago. I can't verify its accuracy, but it is a spreadsheet indicating which cards were distributed in which packages for each year. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:58 AM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: cardclctor@aol.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's,Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a blackstripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cutoff when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishablefrom the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, they wereused in Cup Cake backings. Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... Sam Taylor On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always beon Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to stayaway from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actuallybeen checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even better price. No rush. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness Hi there everyone, I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I havethree Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzlepiece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom rowmust be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had the lasttwo I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DS if anyone's interested. I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc- both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turnedout OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I havebeen unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goalis to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com To: mikesportsfan Cc: cardclctor ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 8:58 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's,Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a blackstripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cutoff when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishablefrom the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, they wereused in Cup Cake backings. Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... Sam Taylor On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always beon Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to stayaway from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actuallybeen checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even better price. No rush. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness Hi there everyone, I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I havethree Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzlepiece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom rowmust be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DS if anyone's interested. I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc- both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turnedout OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I havebeen unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goalis to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:57:29 -0500 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: "Thomas W. Billing" I have them, although not in great shape To add to the confusion, there was supposedly a Contest Card C and Joe Colabello said he had sol a couple in the distant past. I=E2=99ve been looking for years and have never seen one. If someone has one, I=E2=99d love scans. Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2018, at 7:07 AM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a #4... > Sam Taylor >> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Hi Rick, >> Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. I killed the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. >> I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4. I didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both forunder $30. Good luck with the chase. >> Tom H. > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:00:13 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: "Samuel E. Taylor" You have contest card #4? Sam Taylor On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Thomas W. Billing > I have them, although not in great shape > To add to the confusion, there was supposedly a Contest Card C and Joe > Colabello said he had sol a couple in the distant past. I=E2=99ve beenlooking > for years and have never seen one. If someone has one, I=E2=99d love scans. > Tom Billing > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2018, at 7:07 AM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a > #4... > Sam Taylor > On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Hi Rick, >> Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. I >> killed the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't >> chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. >> I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4. I >> didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a >> couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both >> for under $30. Good luck with the chase. >> Tom H. > -- > Sam Taylor Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:01:14 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Yes. 1977 Hostess is what set I am referring to. Sam Taylor On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 9:22 AM, wrote: > Sam, > I assume you are referring to the 1977 issue only. Please confirm. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel E. Taylor > To: mikesportsfan > Cc: cardclctor ; OBC Ramblings < > obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 8:58 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. > Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King > Don's, Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of > individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with > cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card > panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the > backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size > print with a black stripe near the border. There also exists a run of the > same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have > a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have > NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to > verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no > proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. > I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards > #1-58 with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the > tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe > was cut off when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, > 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made > on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are > indistinguishable from the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 > in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT > Twinkies, they were used in Cup Cake backings. > Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation > book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... > Sam Taylor > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Ken, > There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always > be on Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to > stay away from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have > actually been checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay > purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including > handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent > $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, > plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my > watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even > better price. No rush. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > Hi there everyone, > I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither > item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 > shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I > have three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't > read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers > pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one > more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL > bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks > ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. > I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both > baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with > just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball > set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I > also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had > the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within > eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides > that to DS if anyone's interested. > I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find > them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per > disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I > have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's > disc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot > more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll > my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in > each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were > issued. > I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. > Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how > many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It > turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs.I > should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year.I > have been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual > goal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print > Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. > I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer > sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two > sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for > me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. > Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > -- > Sam Taylor Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:01:50 -0500 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: "Thomas W. Billing" There is contest 4 in 1956 FB. There are 1,2,3,A, and B Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2018, at 10:00 AM, Samuel E. Taylor wrote: > Tom, > You have contest card #4? > Sam Taylor >> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Thomas W. Billing >> I have them, although not in great shape >> To add to the confusion, there was supposedly a Contest Card C and Joe Colabello said he had sol a couple in the distant past. I=E2=99ve been looking for years and have never seen one. If someone has one, I=E2=99d love >> Tom Billing >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Feb 8, 2018, at 7:07 AM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a #4... >>> Sam Taylor >>>> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> Hi Rick, >>>> Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. I killed the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. >>>> I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4. I didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both for under $30. Good luck with the chase. >>>> Tom H. >>> -- >>> Sam Taylor > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:05:30 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: Tom Housley Looks like maybe there is no #4 after all.Don't recall where I saw that (orthought I saw that). So that would make the contest card count 5 as Rick said, not 6 like I mistakenly guessed. Undo panic mode for you collectors of the cntest cards out there :-) Tom Housley -----Original Message----- From: Samuel E. Taylor To: Tom Housley Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 7:07 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a #4... Sam Taylor On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hi Rick, Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. I killed the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4. I didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both for under $30. Good luck with the chase. Tom H. Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 10:07:06 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness [1 Attachment] From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Thanks for the spreadsheet, good information on it, however, I have never seen anything with regards to the single cards. There are three obvious back differences, the normal Large Print, the Large Print with the black stripe, and the Small Print with the black stripe. Most of the spreadsheets refer to the specific food it was packaged with, but if the cards are indistinguishable, what's the point? It has become common practice for people to erroneously call the variation backs all Twinkies, which I feel is not correct, but I don't really know what, or IF, back differences there are, other than what I have seen. On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 9:08 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_5639240755353668965_TopText> from JAY TYSVER included > below] > Someone sent me this spreadsheet a couple of years ago. I can't verify its > accuracy, but it is a spreadsheet indicating which cards were distributed > in which packages for each year. > Jay Tysver > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:58 AM > *To:* mikesportsfan@aol.com > *Cc:* cardclctor@aol.com; OBC Ramblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. > Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King > Don's, Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of > individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with > cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card > panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the > backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size > print with a black stripe near the border. There also exists a run of the > same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have > a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have > NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to > verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no > proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. > I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards > #1-58 with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the > tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe > was cut off when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, > 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made > on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are > indistinguishable from the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 > in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT > Twinkies, they were used in Cup Cake backings. > Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation > book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... > Sam Taylor > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Ken, > There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always > be on Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to > stay away from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have > actually been checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay > purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including > handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent > $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, > plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my > watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even > better price. No rush. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > Hi there everyone, > I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither > item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 > shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I > have three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't > read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers > pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one > more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL > bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks > ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. > I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both > baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with > just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball > set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I > also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had > the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within > eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides > that to DS if anyone's interested. > I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find > them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per > disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I > have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's > disc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot > more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll > my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in > each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were > issued. > I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. > Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how > many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It > turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs.I > should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year.I > have been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual > goal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print > Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. > I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer > sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two > sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for > me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. > Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > -- > Sam Taylor Sam Taylor ================= To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 15:26:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness [1 Attachment] From: JAY TYSVER The 1977 Twinkies section on the last tab tends to go through that. But I can verify it is wrong. If I'm not mistaken, the single panel "square" cardsshould go up to #59 or 60. I have two 1977 Twinkie sets except for #140. I also may have most, if not all of the small and large sizes on my set as I am building a master set. I may be a couple of cards short, but I don't think that would effect the spreadsheet. I can't do tonight, but I'll try to check on the variations. One thing that should be noted, I can verify that there is a bold and a non-bold type variation for the 1977s, The bold cards are indeed Twinkies which have had the bars trimmed off. There are some card where the bars were wider than the card image and thus cut off. I can verify that the harder cards, #135-150 are issued like this. Hence, it isn't easy to identify when youdon't have one of these cards as the bars are often cut off. I have a couple panels which are about 15" by 6" which came from the factory and featurea couple of different cards on them. Also, many of the thin tall cards were issued in vending machines as well. Jay Tysver From: Samuel E. Taylor Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 9:07 AM To: JAY TYSVER Cc: mikesportsfan@aol.com; cardclctor@aol.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness [1 Attachment] Thanks for the spreadsheet, good information on it, however, I have never seen anything with regards to the single cards. There are three obvious backdifferences, the normal Large Print, the Large Print with the black stripe, and the Small Print with the black stripe. Most of the spreadsheets referto the specific food it was packaged with, but if the cards are indistinguishable, what's the point? It has become common practice for people to erroneously call the variation backs all Twinkies, which I feel is not correct,but I don't really know what, or IF, back differences there are, other than what I have seen. On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 9:08 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > [Attachment(s) from JAY TYSVER included below] Someone sent me this spreadsheet a couple of years ago. I can't verify its accuracy, but it is a spreadsheet indicating which cards were distributed in which packages for each year. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 7:58 AM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: cardclctor@aol.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's,Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a blackstripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cutoff when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishablefrom the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, they wereused in Cup Cake backings. Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... Sam Taylor On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always beon Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to stayaway from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actuallybeen checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even better price. No rush. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness Hi there everyone, I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I havethree Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzlepiece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom rowmust be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had the lasttwo I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DS if anyone's interested. I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc- both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turnedout OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I havebeen unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goalis to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: Rick I just looked in Beckett and it lists five c1-c2-c3-ca-cb Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2018, at 6:57 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have them, although not in great shape > To add to the confusion, there was supposedly a Contest Card C and Joe Colabello said he had sol a couple in the distant past. I=E2=99ve been looking for years and have never seen one. If someone has one, I=E2=99d love > Tom Billing > Sent from my iPad >> On Feb 8, 2018, at 7:07 AM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a #4... >> Sam Taylor >>> On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Hi Rick, >>> Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. Ikilled the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. >>> I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4.I didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both for under $30. Good luck with the chase. >>> Tom H. >> -- >> Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 11:47:25 -0500 To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com OK, so I just checked my 1956 Topps FB set. I have the checklist and only the Contest Card from November 25 featuring Bears V Giants and Rams v Colts. I need ALL other contest cards. I also need 1957 Topps Fb checklist with the Blony ad. On the plus side I have the following to offer in trade: 1956 Topps FB Checklist marked 1956 Topps FB contest card November 25 Bears v Giants and Rams v Colts. stain on back and very small paper loss on back. No writing. 1957 Topps FB: Checklist Bazooka back marked, rounding corners 1958 Topps FB: Free Felt Initial card LMK if we can help each other out. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Thomas W. Billing Cc: Samuel E. Taylor ; Tom Housley ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 11:25 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps football contest cards I just looked in Beckett and it lists five c1-c2-c3-ca-cb Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2018, at 6:57 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I have them, although not in great shape To add to the confusion, there was supposedly a Contest Card C and Joe Colabello said he had sol a couple in the distant past. I=E2=99ve been looking for years and have never seen one. If someone has one, I=E2=99d love scans. Tom Billing Sent from my iPad On Feb 8, 2018, at 7:07 AM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Is there a #4? I have all the others, I didn't know, nor have I seen a #4... Sam Taylor On Thu, Feb 8, 2018 at 6:29 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hi Rick, Unfortunately I don't have any dupes, but thought I'd chime in a bit. I killed the '56 FB set at the National (including checklist) but hadn't chased the contest cards, since they tend to get pricey. I believe there are actually 6 contest cards - labeled A, B, 1,2,3 & 4. I didn't even have them on my saved searches because of the price, but a couple of weeks ago one seller had the A & B cards. I managed to win both for under $30. Good luck with the chase. Tom H. Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 09:07:56 -0800 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness From: John Stamper I absolutely love these cards and all the variations. I have a lot on my plate right now, but later tonight or this weekend I'll chime in big on this.I have many different versions and a lot of questions. I'll post pics to help out as well. John Stamper > On Feb 8, 2018, at 6:22 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sam, > I assume you are referring to the 1977 issue only. Please confirm. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Samuel E. Taylor > To: mikesportsfan > Cc: cardclctor ; OBC Ramblings > Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 8:58 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. > Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's, Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a black stripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. > I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58 with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cut off when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40,49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishable from the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, they were used in Cup Cake backings. > Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... > Sam Taylor > On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Ken, > There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always be on Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to stay away from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actually been checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even better price. No rush. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness > Hi there everyone, > I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I have three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't readthe description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. > I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. Ialso have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DSif anyone's interested. > I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to findthem at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. > I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I have been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. > I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy forme. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: 08 Feb 2018 17:18:55 +0000 To: Subject: Rickwood Classic. From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "JAY Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:19:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. From: JAY TYSVER Here is a link to it. http://rickwoodclassic.com/ Rickwood Classic Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:30 PM, the Rickwood Classic will celebrate the 'The Fabulous 50s'. Birmingham Barons vs Chattanooga Lookouts Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:18 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. The Rickwood Classic is going to be May 18 this season. It is in the oldestballpark in the country here in Birmingham. There usually is some well known player, sometimes its a Hall of Famer likeRollie Fingers or Fergie Jenkins, others its a player like Dale Murphy or Dwight Gooden. The player signs autographs during the game. We haven't heard who this year's player is. The third base stands are full of Old Negro League players who use this game as a yearly reunion. A couple played prior to integration, many after it. I have a friend who can get me, what amounts to back stage passes for this game each year. That gets us into the VIP area where food is free and oftenthe old players will get something to eat. The game harkens back to a day when baseball was played in older stadiums during the day. It is quite an experience. The ballpark also has great charm. One of my favorite autographs I have in my collection is from Mamie "Peanut" Johnson, who passed away earlier this year. Mrs. Johnson was one of threewomen who played in the Negro Leagues. In the past a couple of OBCers have come to this game or have planned to come to it. If you want to come this year, let me know. I should be able to get tickets for us and it should be a fun time. Jay Tysver ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 17:54:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. From: richard dingman Wow, sounds great, wish I could make it! Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:18 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. The Rickwood Classic is going to be May 18 this season. It is in the oldestballpark in the country here in Birmingham. There usually is some well known player, sometimes its a Hall of Famer likeRollie Fingers or Fergie Jenkins, others its a player like Dale Murphy or Dwight Gooden. The player signs autographs during the game. We haven't heard who this year's player is. The third base stands are full of Old Negro League players who use this game as a yearly reunion. A couple played prior to integration, many after it. I have a friend who can get me, what amounts to back stage passes for this game each year. That gets us into the VIP area where food is free and oftenthe old players will get something to eat. The game harkens back to a day when baseball was played in older stadiums during the day. It is quite an experience. The ballpark also has great charm. One of my favorite autographs I have in my collection is from Mamie "Peanut" Johnson, who passed away earlier this year. Mrs. Johnson was one of threewomen who played in the Negro Leagues. In the past a couple of OBCers have come to this game or have planned to come to it. If you want to come this year, let me know. I should be able to get tickets for us and it should be a fun time. Jay Tysver ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 13:47:33 -0500 To: JTysver1@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The link indicates it is on May 30, 2018, not May 18. At least now it does not conflict wwith what had been known as the Robert Morris Show (moving to a new location this year) May 18-20. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; JAY TYSVER Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. Here is a link to it. http://rickwoodclassic.com/ Rickwood Classic Wednesday, May 31, 2017 at 12:30 PM, the Rickwood Classic will celebrate the 'The Fabulous 50s'. Birmingham Barons vs Chattanooga Lookouts Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:18 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. The Rickwood Classic is going to be May 18 this season. It is in the oldestballpark in the country here in Birmingham. There usually is some well known player, sometimes its a Hall of Famer likeRollie Fingers or Fergie Jenkins, others its a player like Dale Murphy or Dwight Gooden. The player signs autographs during the game. We haven't heard who this year's player is. The third base stands are full of Old Negro League players who use this game as a yearly reunion. A couple played prior to integration, many after it. I have a friend who can get me, what amounts to back stage passes for this game each year. That gets us into the VIP area where food is free and oftenthe old players will get something to eat. The game harkens back to a day when baseball was played in older stadiums during the day. It is quite an experience. The ballpark also has great charm. One of my favorite autographs I have in my collection is from Mamie "Peanut" Johnson, who passed away earlier this year. Mrs. Johnson was one of threewomen who played in the Negro Leagues. In the past a couple of OBCers have come to this game or have planned to come to it. If you want to come this year, let me know. I should be able to get tickets for us and it should be a fun time. Jay Tysver ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:49:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. From: JAY TYSVER It is May 30. I wasn't thinking. I typed the year instead of the date. Jay Tysver From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 12:47 PM To: JTysver1@msn.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. The link indicates it is on May 30, 2018, not May 18. At least now it does not conflict wwith what had been known as the Robert Morris Show (moving to a new location this year) May 18-20. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; JAY TYSVER Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. Here is a link to it. http://rickwoodclassic.com/ > on behalf of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, February 8, 2018 11:18 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rickwood Classic. The Rickwood Classic is going to be May 18 this season. It is in the oldestballpark in the country here in Birmingham. There usually is some well known player, sometimes its a Hall of Famer likeRollie Fingers or Fergie Jenkins, others its a player like Dale Murphy or Dwight Gooden. The player signs autographs during the game. We haven't heard who this year's player is. The third base stands are full of Old Negro League players who use this game as a yearly reunion. A couple played prior to integration, many after it. I have a friend who can get me, what amounts to back stage passes for this game each year. That gets us into the VIP area where food is free and oftenthe old players will get something to eat. The game harkens back to a day when baseball was played in older stadiums during the day. It is quite an experience. The ballpark also has great charm. One of my favorite autographs I have in my collection is from Mamie "Peanut" Johnson, who passed away earlier this year. Mrs. Johnson was one of threewomen who played in the Negro Leagues. In the past a couple of OBCers have come to this game or have planned to come to it. If you want to come this year, let me know. I should be able to get tickets for us and it should be a fun time. Jay Tysver ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 12:35:27 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Update and going a new direction or no direction From: Rick Would like to here on what direction or no direction your collecting is taking you. Are you focused in a certain sport?brand/run?player? Team? Or justpicking up random stuff that you come acrossed. I've been focused on the Venezuelan run for quite awhile but has slowed dramatically lately. Prices are climbing quickly contacts are drying up as forwhat they have to offer and more people are jumping in. Tampa bay sports cards and a couple Venezuelan sellers were the only ones selling on eBay butnow other sellers are buying those lots and relisting the cards individually for ridicules prices. As well as my run is getting closer to completion. Update where the run is: 1959 I have 72 of 198 1960 I have 105 of 198 1962 I have 196 of 198 1964 Complete 370 1966 I have 369 of 370 1967 I have 279 of 338 1968 I have 249 of 370 1970 complete 300 1972 MLB I have 42 of 242 1972 WL I have 247 of 249 1973 WL I have 170 of 260 1974 WL I have 267 of 275 1976 WL complete 330 1977 WL I have 401 of 402 Total 3,397 of 4,100 need 703 more. I'm not going to abandon working on therun but I'm not going to expect more than one or two here or there. So what direction am I going to turn? North, I can't work on the same thingyou guys work on so I'm going to concentrate on the OPC/topps CFL football"run" Maybe Grant or Mike can chime in on anything I'm missing, not listing the oddball issues just main stream sets. 1958 topps CFL I have 5 of 89 1959 topps CFL I have 47 of 88 1960 topps CFL I have 42 of 88 1961 topps CFL I have 103 of 132 1961 topps CFL transfers 0 of 24 1962 topps CFL I have 43 of 169 1963 topps CFL I have 38 of 88 1964 topps CFL I have 19 of 88 1965 topps CFL I have 30 of 132 1965 topps CFL transfers I have 0 of 27 1968 OPC CFL I have 69 of 132 1968 OPC CFL posters I have 5 of 16 1970 OPC CFL I have 103 of 115 1970 OPC CFL push out inserts I have 2 of 16 1971 OPC CFL I have 118 of 132 1971 OPC CFL posters complete 16 1972 OPC CFL complete 132 1972 OPC CFL trio stickers I have 3 of 24 I have 775 of 1,508 so off to find the other 733 If anyone has any dupes they want to trade give me a shout I'll try to worka So what direction are you going? Sent from my iPad Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 08 Feb 2018 21:39:51 +0000 To: Subject: outgoing today From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2018 18:36:01 -0500 To: yahoogroups Subject: Topps Series Release Dates? From: Jerry Coker Did a quick Google with no luck. Does anyone know if there is a website/resource that documents approximately when each Topps baseball card series wasreleased? For instance ... I'm looking at my almost completed 1967 Topps set and I noticed the cards that I've had since I was a kid (that I bought in 1967) were mostly from the 1st and 4th series. I can tell because I used to write "M" and "R" on player cards that my Dad told me were in the minors... or retired ... respectively :-) I'm guessing my Dad got his info. Fromthe Sporting News as he had a subscription for years. Anyway ... it got meto wondering when the 1st series was released in 1967 (April/May?) ... andwhen all the other series were usually released. Like ... I bought no 2nd series cards ... so was curious when that series was released. And having this info might be cool to know for all of Topps releases between 1952-1973.A side note ... while going through this 1967 binder ... as well as my other sets that I started as a kid and completed (or neatly completed) after college (mostly 1967-1971) ... I find that I can identify/recognize most of the cards I bought as a kid verses later on in life. And not based on the writing I put on some of these cards :-) But solely based on the player photo. Pretty amazing I think that my brain has retained a mental image of baseball player photos dating back to when I was just 10 or 11 years old (I'm almost 60 now). Anyway ... just thought I'd share :-) My 2018 goal is to finally complete the 1967 set. High numbers be da**ned :-) Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 20:44:59 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness From: Ken M ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 11:48:40 -0500 Subject: 1973 OPC Baseball From: "Bob Donaldson" Thinking of starting this set as I've a few cards I bought as a kid when we went to Canada. How does it compare price-wise to Topps from the same year? ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 08:21:08 -0500 Subject: RE: Consign 1973 Topps Set From: "Bob Donaldson" A quick update. Thanks to Ed Schott, Anthony Arbeeny for the suggestion of Huggins and Scott. As they were at the Shriner's show I took my 1972 near set and 1973 set, both in NrMT to them and they thought the cards were nice, and might break $1000. I assumed they meant combined. Turns out they went for $5100. All in all a good day at a yard sale. It never hurts to ask "you got any baseball cards?" From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:46 PM To: 'obc ramblings' Subject: Consign 1973 Topps Set I have a 1973 set that is in NrMt/Mt. Part of my recent Yard Sale find. The gentleman I bought it from bought the entire set from a mail order back in the day. It looks like it has not been touched since. Anyways, I paid $430 combined for this and a near 1972 set plus about 600+ 66/67 cards and I would like to get my money back plus some profit for more card buying. My feel is the best way to do this is via auction. Was contemplating putting the set up on Ebay, but am also wondering if I should think about consigning. At the upcoming Shriner's show the following dealers will be there. I'd value anyone's opinion on consigning in general and any of the dealers below. Kevin Savage. My first choice as I've experience with him and his auctions. Huggins and Scott Memory Lane Sports Cards Plus Clean Sweep Auctions - Not expecting a thumbs up here Full list of dealers is here, I'm sure I've overlooked someone I've attached a few scans ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 08:47:29 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC WINNERS NAMES From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, Can someone remind me to who the winners were besides me I was so in shocked that I won I blanked out and did not save that email Kevin Martens ================= To: , Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 15:15:56 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC WINNERS NAMES From: "Bob Donaldson" Congrats to the 4 lucky winners, and to any Eagles fans! Check the results at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm Bob Neill Mike Galbreath Kevin Martens TJ Valacak From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KEVINM38@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, February 9, 2018 8:47 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC WINNERS NAMES Hi all, Can someone remind me to who the winners were besides me I was so in shocked that I won I blanked out and did not save that email Kevin Martens ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 19:33:42 -0500 To: "mountaineer1999@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: Consign 1973 Topps Set From: Steve Try Robert Edward Auctions, I did very well with them. www.robertedwardauctions.com Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Feb 9, 2018, at 4:38 PM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That's awesome. I've been thinking about throwing my exmt 1972 Topps set on EBay but this may be a better option. > Thanks for sharing. > Donnie > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Fri, Feb 9, 2018 at 3:14 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > A quick update. Thanks to Ed Schott, Anthony Arbeeny for the suggestion of Huggins and Scott. As they were at the Shriner=E2=99s show I took my1972 near set and 1973 set, both in NrMT to them and they thought the cards were nice, and might break $1000. I assumed they meant combined. Turns out they went for $5100. All in all a good day at a yard sale. > It never hurts to ask =E2=9Cyou got any baseball cards?=E2=9D > Thanks > Bob > From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2017 1:46 PM > To: 'obc ramblings' > Subject: Consign 1973 Topps Set > I have a 1973 set that is in NrMt/Mt. Part of my recent Yard Sale find. The gentleman I bought it from bought the entire set from a mail order back in the day. It looks like it has not been touched since. Anyways, I paid $430 combined for this and a near 1972 set plus about 600+ 66/67 cards and I would like to get my money back plus some profit for more card buying. My feel is the best way to do this is via auction. Was contemplating putting the set up on Ebay, but am also wondering if I should think about consigning. At the upcoming Shriner=E2=99s show the following dealers will be there. I=E2=99d value anyone=E2=99s opinion on consigning in general and any of the dealers below. > Kevin Savage. My first choice as I=E2=99ve experience with him and his > Huggins and Scott > Memory Lane > Sports Cards Plus > Clean Sweep Auctions =E2=93 Not expecting a thumbs up here > Full list of dealers is here, I=E2=99m sure I=E2=99ve overlooked someone > I=E2=99ve attached a few scans > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:19:42 -0800 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: 1977 Hostess Twinkies From: John Stamper Sam and All- All the 1977 Hostess cards come without a black bar back. These came three to a box on the bottom of the treats. 50 boxes of Hostess with a little luck would get you a complete set. But not a master set. You had to do some serious eating and shopping for that. The "true" Twinkie cards are 1-60 and 111-150. I have three different uncutpanel sizes. A large panel measuring 4 1/2" X 4 1/4". These are numbered 9, 10, 19, 20 etc. thru 59, 60. The black stripe on the back is far away from the text, so much, that when you cut the card leaving all the front border you will not see any black bars on the back. I do have some of the 9-0 cards that have been cut and have the black bars visible. I believe they comeas the same size as the 111-150 cards I have. Those uncut measure 3" X 3 1/2". The black bars on the back are tight like the lower numbers 1-60. The lower number cards measure 3 1/8" X 4 1/4". Some of the cards from 31-135 have small print with a much longer black barstripe only under the text. These had individual or a pair of treats. I have many uncut panels and these measure 2 1/4" X 4 1/2". The sides on the front do not have the dotted lines as these are already the card size. The top and bottom do have the dotted lines for cutting. I will send pictures in a different email. John Stamper > On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:07 AM, John Stamper wrote: > I absolutely love these cards and all the variations. I have a lot on my plate right now, but later tonight or this weekend I'll chime in big on this. I have many different versions and a lot of questions. I'll post pics tohelp out as well. > John Stamper >> On Feb 8, 2018, at 6:22 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sam, >> I assume you are referring to the 1977 issue only. Please confirm. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Samuel E. Taylor >> To: mikesportsfan >> Cc: cardclctor ; OBC Ramblings >> Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 8:58 am >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness >> I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. >> Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's, Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, are the "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that mostcards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a black stripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. >> I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58 with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cut off when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishable from the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small printwith a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, they were used in Cup Cake backings. >> Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... >> Sam Taylor >> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Ken, >> There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost alwaysbe on Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried to stay away from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actually been checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12.This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even better price. No rush. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: obc-ramblings >> Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness >> Hi there everyone, >> I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50 shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now I have three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago, but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. >> I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with justthree left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had the last two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight offinishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that to DS if anyone's interested. >> I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1 per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy's disc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot morecommon. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. >> I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff. Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. I have been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventual goal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. >> I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newersets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those twosets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> http://kenmorganti.weebly.com >> -- >> Sam Taylor ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:34:08 -0800 To: Ramblings OBC Subject: 1977 Hostess Twinkies From: John Stamper ================= To: John Stamper Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:44:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1977 Hostess Twinkies From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: John Stamper Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 05:48:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1977 Hostess Twinkies From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 21:56:59 -0800 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1977 Hostess Twinkies From: John Stamper It never ends. They must have had different ones all across the country. John Stamper > On Feb 9, 2018, at 9:44 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have a couple above 135 that are 4 1/2 x 5 3/8. These have bars away from the cards. They clearly were trays for some product as they have manufactured folds. Also, have a couple that were from the same sized panel as the1-60s, 3 1/8 x 4 1/4. > Also have some raw (let's call them planks) of factory uncut groupings ofcards above 135. I believe these eventually were used for the 4 1/2 x 5 3/8 sized panels with folds. > As for the cards 31-135, I have all in the 2 1/4 x 4 1/2 size. > Jay Tysver > On Feb 9, 2018, at 11:19 PM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Sam and All- >> All the 1977 Hostess cards come without a black bar back. These came three to a box on the bottom of the treats. 50 boxes of Hostess with a little luck would get you a complete set. But not a master set. You had to do someserious eating and shopping for that. >> The "true" Twinkie cards are 1-60 and 111-150. I have three different uncut panel sizes. A large panel measuring 4 1/2" X 4 1/4". These are numbered 9, 10, 19, 20 etc. thru 59, 60. The black stripe on the back is far away from the text, so much, that when you cut the card leaving all the front border you will not see any black bars on the back. I do have some of the 9-0cards that have been cut and have the black bars visible. I believe they come as the same size as the 111-150 cards I have. Those uncut measure 3" X 3 1/2". The black bars on the back are tight like the lower numbers 1-60. The lower number cards measure 3 1/8" X 4 1/4". >> Some of the cards from 31-135 have small print with a much longer black bar stripe only under the text. These had individual or a pair of treats. Ihave many uncut panels and these measure 2 1/4" X 4 1/2". The sides on thefront do not have the dotted lines as these are already the card size. Thetop and bottom do have the dotted lines for cutting. >> I will send pictures in a different email. >> John Stamper >> On Feb 8, 2018, at 9:07 AM, John Stamper wrote: >>> I absolutely love these cards and all the variations. I have a lot on my plate right now, but later tonight or this weekend I'll chime in big on this. I have many different versions and a lot of questions. I'll post pics to help out as well. >>> John Stamper >>> On Feb 8, 2018, at 6:22 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> Sam, >>>> I assume you are referring to the 1977 issue only. Please confirm. >>>> Mike Rich >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Samuel E. Taylor >>>> To: mikesportsfan >>>> Cc: cardclctor ; OBC Ramblings >>>> Sent: Thu, Feb 8, 2018 8:58 am >>>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness >>>> I would like to know what OBC has in terms of Hostess vs. Twinkie cards. >>>> Hostess sets are 150 cards. They were made on boxes of Ho Ho's, King Don's, Cup Cakes and Twinkies. They were also made on the backs of individual packages of Twinkies, Suzy-Q's and Sno Ballz. What we see with cards, arethe "normal" sized print on the backs for the typical 3 card panel that most cards came from. However, there are two variations of the backs that have typically been called "Twinkies" and they are the same size print with a black stripe near the border. There also exists a run of the same cards with small print and a significantly larger black stripe. I have a run of those small print, large black stripe cards from 31-135. I have NEVER seen numbers 1-30, or 136-150 in that small print, and would LOVE to verify that. I believe that those were ALL Cup Cake cards, but have no proof other than George Vrechek's Variation book. >>>> I believe that the only true "Twinkies" cards are skip-numbered cards #1-58 with large print, the only real way to tell they are Twinkies is the tell-tale black stripe on the edge. Sometimes, though, that black stripe was cut off when the card was trimmed. Either way, cards #9, 10, 19, 20, 39, 40, 49, 50, 59 and 60 were NOT made on Twinkies. Those cards WERE made on Suzy-Q's. I do not have ANY of those cards, as I think they are indistinguishable from the Hostess.I DO have all the cards numbered 31-135 in small print with a large black stripe as well, those, however are NOT Twinkies, theywere used in Cup Cake backings. >>>> Most of this information is taken straight from George Vrechek's variation book, but I have verified a lot with my own collection... >>>> Sam Taylor >>>> On Wed, Feb 7, 2018 at 11:20 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> Ken, >>>> There is no reason to not be patient. Those cards will almost always be on Ebay. You can always try and get them. For years I have tried tostay away from Evilbay. I have to admit in the last few months I have actually been checking for things. So far in 2018, I have only made 1 Ebay purchase. I went through Kruk Cards store and purchased 6 lots. Including handling fee and tax, (they are local, so I picked it up) I only spent $42.12. This resulted in 63 more to add to my vintage sports count total, plus some publications. There are a number of other lots and sets on my watch list. Patience, I hope, will allow me to find these items at an even betterprice. No rush. >>>> Mike Rich >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> To: obc-ramblings >>>> Sent: Wed, Feb 7, 2018 9:54 pm >>>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay silliness >>>> Hi there everyone, >>>> I recently bid on two 1977 Topps cloth stickers #7 George Brett. Neither item showed the back. I need the two ** version. I figure it's a 50/50shot, so if I get two cheap ones from two different sellers... Well, now Ihave three Brett stickers with one *. I found a Yaz the same day (didn't read the description carefully and thought I was getting the 4 stickers pictured in a lot). Just need the Brett to finish the stickers - and one more puzzle piece to close out the whole deal. (AL bottom left one*) The AL bottom row must be short printed. I did see the one I needed a couple weeks ago,but didn't want to pay $9 plus shipping for it. SP or no. >>>> I've also gotten back into bidding on 1971 Kellogg's cards - both baseball AND football now. I snagged a Merritt variation, leaving me with just three left on my seemingly never ending quest to finish the baseball set. I also have enough dupes to put a near complete second set on eBay. I also finished the football set by buying a couple group lots that both had thelast two I needed, plus a lot of extras including stars. I'm within eight of finishing a second set of those and have plenty of dupes besides that toDS if anyone's interested. >>>> I've also been bidding on a few MSA disc lots. I've been trying to find them at around 3/$1 with stars and stay away from the common lots at $1per disc. There's still a few sets that I can't seem to find many though. I have very few Customized Sports and I don't think I have a single Wendy'sdisc - both of those sets are from 1977. The 1976 sets seem to be a lot more common. I got around to purchasing some 4-pocket pages to store a ll my discs. Even with two boxes, I'll still have to double up the discs in each pocket. There's 18 sets of 70 cards between the two years they were issued. >>>> I won a couple Hostess lots while I was bidding on the other stuff.Actually, I had a couple accepted offers. One of the lots just listed how many from each year - no names, no numbers and just one card pictured. It turned out OK, with a few Twinkies mixed in and some brown printed backs. I should get around to posting my brown back needs at some point this year. Ihave been unofficially collecting three sets of 1977 Hostess. The eventualgoal is to have one Hostess, one small print Twinkie and one large print Twinkie for each card... if they exist for all of them. >>>> I haven't had much success even finding group lots for two of my newer sets (1961 Nu Card and 1963 Bazooka ATG). So far, everything for those two sets has come via OBC... should I just be more patient? That's not easy for me. OK, I've rambled on long enough for one night. Back to the search. Thanks as always for reading all this nonsense. TAYL, >>>> Ken M >>>> Sent from my not so smart phone. >>>> http://kenmorganti.weebly.com >>>> -- >>>> Sam Taylor ================= To: "obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:31:18 +0000 Subject: Waiver - 1976 Hostess Jim Rice #127 From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:30:16 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 55 bowman help please From: John Dahms Curious to get your feedback on 55 bowman umpires buying price. What is a good price to stick below on 55 bowman umpires. Vg ish condition? Thanks for feedback John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi 4 ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:41:21 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 bowman help please From: Ken M JD,   It's been some time since I collected the set, so take this with a grain of salt. I think you can find the umps in lower grade around $5 each and the few HOF umps for about double that. I did track down some for Sam Taylor a few years ago however, and I think that's what they came in at for the most part. Hope that's accurate and helps you out, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 2:42 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 55 bowman help please Curious to get your feedback on 55 bowman umpires buying price. What is a good price to stick below on 55 bowman umpires. Vg ish condition? Thanks for feedback John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi 4 ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:04:40 -0500 Subject: Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: "Mark Holland" Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because I saw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone's set. I picked up a '56 Mantle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don't open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera to the PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For those of you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for future endeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 18:32:26 -0500 To: Mark Holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Michael Rich I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because Isaw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. > Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera tothe PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. > Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For thoseof you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. > <<...>> <<...>> > Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for futureendeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List > > ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 15:38:05 -0800 To: Michael Rich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Rick Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me but pictures can be deceiving. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. > Mike > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because I saw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition thatwill be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. >> Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera to the PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. >> Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For those of you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checkedwith Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurtdirectly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. >> <<...>> <<...>> >> Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for future endeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. >> Mark >> Mark Holland >> Vintage List >> >> ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:00:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 bowman help please From: "Sal Domino" I=E2=99m with Ken. $5 seems to be the low end going rate (if you find emat that price). I picked up a few at the National between $5-8. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:41 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 bowman help please It's been some time since I collected the set, so take this with a grainof salt. I think you can find the umps in lower grade around $5 each and the few HOF umps for about double that. I did track down some for Sam Taylora few years ago however, and I think that's what they came in at for the most part. Hope that's accurate and helps you out, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 2:42 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 55 bowman help please Curious to get your feedback on 55 bowman umpires buying price.< div id"yMail_cursorElementTracker_1518290946152" What is a good price to stick below on 55 bowman umpires. Vg ish condition? Thanks for feedback John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi 4 ================= To: "'Rick'" , Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:11:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: "Mark Holland" Can you elaborate on what doesn=E2=99t look right? We took pics with a cell phone in a poorly lit card show. Do I need another picture? LMK. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM To: Michael Rich Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me but pictures can be deceiving. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of tryingto post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because I saw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera to the PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For those of you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. <<...>> <<...>> Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for future endeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= To: Mark Holland Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 00:32:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: "'JAY TYSVER'" Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:55:06 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: "Mark Holland" I agree that it is not your typical Clemente RC but it is better that the hole in my binder. And I really find it annoying that one of our OBC brothers would state that one of Kurt=E2=99s cards =E2=9Cdoesn=E2=99t look right=E2=9D without offering any explanation of why he feels that way. In fact, I find it down right disgusting. Kurt is hands down the best OBC dealer that I have ever met. I wore my OBC shirt to the show today and 2 other OBC certified dealers didn=E2=99t even acknowledge I was at their table. Kurt put cards aside for me knowing that they are on my list giving up the chance to sell them to others. Now one of our OBC brothers says one of his cards =E2=9Cdoesn=E2=99t look right=E2=9D. Is there animplication behind this? Oh well, I guess that we are not the cardboard loving brothers that I thought we were. I would never make such an accusation like that about one of my friends or teammates. It could have been worded much better; such as, =E2=9Cdid you notice the top left=E2=9D or =E2=9Cthe gloss doesn=E2=99t look normal=E2=9D. But =E2=9Cit doesn=E2=99t look right=E2=9D is not acceptable. I feel responsible because I asked Kurt if I could post this to the group thinking one of our guys could use a $110 Clemente RC. It was my fault for posting such a crappy Can you tell that I am pissed off. I have always stood up for my teammatesand now is no different. I am still waiting to hear what =E2=9Cdoesn=E2=99t look right=E2=9D. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:33 PM To: Mark Holland Cc: Rick; Michael Rich; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale It looks like his evil twin Gumberto Clemente Jay Tysver On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:11 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Can you elaborate on what doesn=E2=99t look right? We took pics with a cell phone in a poorly lit card show. Do I need another picture? LMK. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM To: Michael Rich Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me but pictures can be deceiving. Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of tryingto post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because I saw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera to the PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For those of you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. <<...>> <<...>> Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for future endeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 17:43:05 -0800 To: Mark Holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Rick Sorry that I offended you not my intention in any way. I'm on board with your guys assessment of certified dealers nothing intended towards Kurt don'tknow him from Adam. Typing is very slow for me so my emails are usually short so I apologize for leaving stuff out. On the back the white under the all the wear and dirt seems too white to fit the wear. As Wes stated the color looks too nice for the wear and paper stock doesn't look right. As stated it can very well be the camera picture in hand it can look totally You guys sing the praises of Kurt so if he's selling it he must truly believe it's real. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2018, at 4:11 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Can you elaborate on what doesn=E2=99t look right? We took pics with a cell phone in a poorly lit card show. Do I need another picture? LMK. > Mark > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM > To: Michael Rich > Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale > Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me but pictures can be deceiving. Rick > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because Isaw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. > Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera tothe PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. > Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For thoseof you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. > <<...>> <<...>> > Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for futureendeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List > > ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 20:52:37 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: R welk needs trip advice From: rjsfgmv@aol.com On a not baseball related but an I need friend theme: I am trying to get a trip to the East coast in June. I should probably take my wife to a really nice beach. Been to Baseball Hall of Fame twice with her, maybe it is her turn. (we are going to the HOF anyhow), but The East Coast beaches confuse me. I am looking for a not too crowded, hopefully not too hot, pretty walking beach south of Washington D.C. and North of Florida. Any ideas? Thanks I am kind of desperate. Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 20:57:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Ken M Sorry Mark, but I'm leaning towards Rick's point of view on this one. Kurt is one of the top four of five dealers I've ever had the pleasure of dealing with, but I'm skeptical on this one. The edges are VERY sharp for a card that's gone through so much wear otherwise. There's no feathering or fibers on it. Both the back and edges on the front are a little too white to me. This screams distressed reprint in my observation. It may look and feel right holding it in person. I'm positive if you expressed those concerns to Kurt, he would likely pull it off the table. In fact, I just became Facebook friends with him today, so I may send him a message myself. Could be a short friendship ;-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 8:43 PMTo: Mark Holland;Cc: Michael Rich;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Kurt Tourdot;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale Sorry that I offended you not my intention in any way. I'm on board with your guys assessment of certified dealers nothing intended towards Kurt don't know him from Adam. Typing is very slow for me so my emails are usually short so I apologize for leaving stuff out. On the back the white under the all the wear and dirt seems too white to fit the wear.As Wes stated the color looks too nice  for the wear and paper stock doesn't look right. As stated it can very well be the camera picture in hand it can look totally different. You guys sing the praises of Kurt so if he's selling it he must truly believe it's real.Rick Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2018, at 4:11 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec..rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Can you elaborate on what doesn’t look right?  We took pics witha cell phone in a poorly lit card show.  Do I need another picture?  LMK.Mark From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rickrick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM To: Michael Rich Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale   Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me butpictures can be deceiving. Rick Sent from my iPad On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this oneis truly awful.  Mike Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  Sorry for posting a DealerScum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gaveup.  But it was worth the effort because I saw a card at the Raleigh showtoday that someone in the group can probably use.  Kurt Toudot has a 1955TClemente RC in definite OBC condition that willbe a welcome addition to someone’sset.   I picked up a ’56Ma ntle from Kurtso my funds were runningtoo low to pick it up.Here are the pictures ofthe card.  Let me know if they don’t opencorrectly.  I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera to the PC was a challenge.  But I can text themto you if needed.  Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card.  That is 5% ofBV.  For those of you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC.  Feel free to email Kurt directly atk2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get upwith him again.<<...>><<...>> Thanks for the read, I willadd Dealer Scum to my contact list for future endeavors in this area. LMK ifthere any challenges opening the pictures.MarkMark HollandVintage ListBack.jpg>Front.jpg> Posted by: Rick > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html ================= To: "rjsfgmv@aol.com" , OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 02:23:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice From: Aaron Shirley I love Folly Beach in Charleston SC. But I've had a poor sampling of the thousands of other beaches... I can just say Folly is nice. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:52 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice On a not baseball related but an I need friend theme: I am trying to get a trip to the East coast in June. I should probably take my wife to a really nice beach. Been to Baseball Hall of Fame twice with her, maybe it is her turn. (we are going to the HOF anyhow), The East Coast beaches confuse me. I am looking for a not too crowded, hopefully not too hot, pretty walking beach south of Washington D.C. and North of Florida. Any ideas? Thanks I am kind of desperate. Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 19:30:22 -0700 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice From: Geno Wagner Amelia Island, on the Florida/Georgia border is a nice place to relax! Andyou could sneak off and see Guru... Take Care, Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I love Folly Beach in Charleston SC. But I've had a poor sampling of the thousands of other beaches... I can just say Folly is nice. > Aaron > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:52 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice > Hello > On a not baseball related but an I need friend theme: > I am trying to get a trip to the East coast in June. > I should probably take my wife to a really nice beach. Been to Baseball Hall of Fame twice with her, maybe it is her turn. (we are going to the HOF anyhow), > The East Coast beaches confuse me. > I am looking for a not too crowded, hopefully not too hot, pretty walkingbeach south of Washington D.C. and North of Florida. > Any ideas? Thanks I am kind of desperate. > Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:40:26 -0500 To: "mholland28412@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Doug DeJong You can count on Kurt doing the right thing. He would never knowingly misrepresent a card. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 9:05 PM, mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Based on questions from the group Kurt has pulled this card and will takeit back to the dealer that sold it to him. When we work together we get itright. > Mark > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:11 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Can you elaborate on what doesn=E2=99t look right? We took pics with a cell phone in a poorly lit card show. Do I need another picture? LMK. > Mark > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM > To: Michael Rich > Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale > Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me but pictures can be deceiving. Rick > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because Isaw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. > Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera tothe PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. > Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For thoseof you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. > <<...>> <<...>> > Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for futureendeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List > > ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:42:50 -0500 To: "mholland28412@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Doug DeJong Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 9:05 PM, mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Based on questions from the group Kurt has pulled this card and will takeit back to the dealer that sold it to him. When we work together we get itright. > Mark > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 7:11 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Can you elaborate on what doesn=E2=99t look right? We took pics with a cell phone in a poorly lit card show. Do I need another picture? LMK. > Mark > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM > To: Michael Rich > Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale > Agree, but on another note it doesn't look right to me but pictures can be deceiving. Rick > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 10, 2018, at 3:32 PM, Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I do not think you will ever find one cheaper but this one is truly awful. > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:04 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry for posting a Dealer Scum on Ramblings but after 30 minutes of trying to post a Dealer Scum, I gave up. But it was worth the effort because Isaw a card at the Raleigh show today that someone in the group can probably use. Kurt Toudot has a 1955T Clemente RC in definite OBC condition that will be a welcome addition to someone=E2=99s set. I picked up a =E2=9956 Ma ntle from Kurt so my funds were running too low to pick it up. > Here are the pictures of the card. Let me know if they don=E2=99t open correctly. I am not technically savvy and transferring from my camera tothe PC was a challenge. But I can text them to you if needed. > Kurt is asking $110 delivered for the card. That is 5% of BV. For thoseof you trying to do the math, it means high end book is $2200. I checked with Taylor and he agrees that it belongs in OBC. Feel free to email Kurt directly at k2doe@msn.com or send me a note and I will get up with him again. > <<...>> <<...>> > Thanks for the read, I will add Dealer Scum to my contact list for futureendeavors in this area. LMK if there any challenges opening the pictures. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List > > ================= Date: 11 Feb 2018 02:45:35 +0000 To: Subject: Ever feel like Wayne and Garth? From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= To: "b_betza@yahoo.com" , OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 02:56:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ever feel like Wayne and Garth? From: Aaron Shirley This. Exactly. "The more I thought about what we do for each other the more incredible each card became---each card was pulled and matched to my wantlist--and then someone thought enough to put the card in an envelope and send it to me--- not because they had to-- but because they wanted to. They came without me deserving them--they came on days when I needed them because nothing else was going right--and each and every card made me smile when I saw it." I've had this thought... hundreds of times. Stuff is just stuff. But the GOOD we do with it... the INTENT behind it... the way we LEVERAGE the stuff... that's what is so GOOD about it. If it weren't about the kindness, the thoughtfulness, the generosity... it would just be cardboard. Thanks for the thoughts. ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 03:00:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice From: richard dingman I've enjoyed the Outer Banks, particularly Ocracoke. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:30 PM To: Aaron Shirley Cc: rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice Amelia Island, on the Florida/Georgia border is a nice place to relax! Andyou could sneak off and see Guru... Take Care, Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I love Folly Beach in Charleston SC. But I've had a poor sampling of the thousands of other beaches... I can just say Folly is nice. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:52 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice On a not baseball related but an I need friend theme: I am trying to get a trip to the East coast in June. I should probably take my wife to a really nice beach. Been to Baseball Hall of Fame twice with her, maybe it is her turn. (we are going to the HOF anyhow), The East Coast beaches confuse me. I am looking for a not too crowded, hopefully not too hot, pretty walking beach south of Washington D.C. and North of Florida. Any ideas? Thanks I am kind of desperate. Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:12:15 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale From: Ken M Geno,  Don't be starting rumors about a Clemente RC variation. It's bad enough there's a 52 Mantle variation. You need some rest. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:06 PMTo: Mark Holland;'JAY TYSVER';Cc: 'Rick';'Michael Rich';obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;'Kurt Tourdot';Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale It does appear that he is looking to the left, so maybe that's the issue.  Is there a right-looking variation to this card?  Sorry...maybe I had an extra beer tonight. Take Care,Geno From: "'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr..com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: 'JAY TYSVER' > Cc: 'Rick' >; 'Michael Rich' >; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; 'Kurt Tourdot' > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 5:54 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale   I agree that it is not your typical Clemente RC but it is betterthat the hole in my binder.  And I really find it annoying that one of our OBCbrothers would state that one of Kurt’s cards “doesn’t look right” withoutoffering any explanation of why he feels that way.  In fact, I find it downright disgusting.  Kurt is hands down the best OBC dealer that I have ever met. I wore my OBC shirt to the show today and 2 other OBC certified dealers didn’teven acknowledge I was at their table.  Kurt put cards aside for me knowingthat they are on my list giving up the chance to sell them to others.  Now oneof our OBC brothers says one of his cards “doesn’t look right”.  Is there animplication behind this? Oh well, I guess that we are not the cardboard lovingbrothers that I thought we were.  I would never make such an accusation likethat about one of my friends or teammates.  It could have been worded muchbetter; such as, “did you notic e the top left” or “the gloss doesn’t looknormal”.  But “it doesn’t look right” is not acceptable.  I feel responsiblebecause I asked Kurt if I could post this to the group thinking one of our guyscould use a $110 Clemente RC.  It was my fault for posting such a crappypicture.   Can you tell that I am pissed off.  I have always stood up formy teammates and now is no different.  I am still waiting to hear what “doesn’tlook right”. Mark     From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:33 PM To: Mark Holland Cc: Rick; Michael Rich; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kurt Tourdot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale     It looks like his evil twin Gumberto Clemente Jay Tysver On Feb 10, 2018, at 6:11 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Can you elaborate on what doesn’t lookright?  We took pics with a cell phone in a poorly lit card show.  DoI need another picture?  LMK. Mark   From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 6:38 PM To: Michael Rich Cc: Mark Holland; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Kurt Tourdot Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Scum 1955 Clemente RC for sale ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:12:53 -0500 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice From: Doug DeJong Ocracoke is great especially if you have fishing on your to do list! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 10:00 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I've enjoyed the Outer Banks, particularly Ocracoke. > Best, > Richard > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:30 PM > To: Aaron Shirley > Cc: rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice > Amelia Island, on the Florida/Georgia border is a nice place to relax! And you could sneak off and see Guru... > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 10, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I love Folly Beach in Charleston SC. But I've had a poor sampling of thethousands of other beaches... I can just say Folly is nice. >> Aaron >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:52 PM >> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice >> Hello >> On a not baseball related but an I need friend theme: >> I am trying to get a trip to the East coast in June. >> I should probably take my wife to a really nice beach. Been to Baseball Hall of Fame twice with her, maybe it is her turn. (we are going to the HOFanyhow), >> The East Coast beaches confuse me. >> I am looking for a not too crowded, hopefully not too hot, pretty walking beach south of Washington D.C. and North of Florida. >> Any ideas? Thanks I am kind of desperate. >> Randy Welk ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:25:54 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ever feel like Wayne and Garth? From: "Sal Domino" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v-FucbvoFFy0 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:46 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ever feel like Wayne and Garth? 10 extra points if you immediately thought of the phrase "I'm not worthy". If I was as smart as Sal I could attach a you tube clip but you are stuck with me for this ramble so you will have to accept my level of technology. I finally got downstairs to look at my cards and try to clean up my disorganized mess of a card area. If I was as organized as Sam Taylor I would have beautiful display cabinets and an organized binder system in my man cave but my wife is stuck with me and my level of organization. Anyway I digress-- I dove in and started putting cards away and realized that I was way behind on...well everything. Sending some deserved payback- sending some RAOK-filing my collection cards --putting my dups into at leastthe right sport...If I was as good at this as Kent or Nate or Richard or any of you guys that can manage to hit EVERYONE at once maybe I wouldn't feel as inadequate but I'm stuck with being me. I started thinking that maybe it was time for me to give it up --heck it was too hard and I am way out of shape--If I was as Klu-like as Wes then maybe I could find the energy to pick up these heavy piles and do something with them. But my cards will have to be stuck with me and my small muscles. If I was as creative as Aaron and Brian and Richard and TJ and Ed Schott and others with their miscut-oddball-9x and infinite Kiick collections maybe I would be more excited and not so lazy some days but my collection is stuck with boring old me. As I finally saw the table again (oh that's right it was brown--now I remember it!!) I came across the recent incredible cards that had come in my mailbox----and the more I thought about what we do for each other the more in credible each card became---each card was pulled and matched to my wantlist--and then someone thought enough to put the card in an envelope and send it to me--- not because they had to-- but because they wanted to. They camewithout me deserving them--they came on days when I needed them because nothing else was going right--and each and every card made me smile when I saw I will try to do better. OBC deserves a better effort from me. Thanks to everyone in the group for doing what you do. I wish I would have had time to include everyone in this ramble because without a doubt you all have done something to help me but if this was much longer you may confuse me with Ken Thanks for reading--- hello?? hello? oh well I would have deleted it too!! Brian Betza ================= To: OBC-WantList , Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 21:26:29 -0600 Subject: 77 Topps football gremlins From: mark zentkovich I verified my set that I thought was complete this week and found 3 missing. Can anyone help? Any condition is good 1 Harris/Stabler LL 87 Marinaro Jets 402 Buchanon Packers Thanks for looking Mark Zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2018 22:47:45 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ever feel like Wayne and Garth? From: Ken M I can't tell you how much I enjoy reading ramblings like this. The alternative is re-reading my own mindless babble and that's no fun. I don't know how you guys have put up with me this long. I'm assuming it's either having the delete key very handy or accepting my cardboard "bribes", as infrequent as they may be ;-) Thanks Brian, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 9:45 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Ever feel like Wayne and Garth? 10 extra points if you immediately thought of the phrase "I'm not worthy".  If I was as smart as Sal I could attach a you tube clip but you are stuck with me for this ramble so you will have to accept my level of technology. I finally got downstairs to look at my cards and try to clean up my disorganized mess of a card area.  If I was as organized as Sam Taylor I would have beautiful display cabinets and an organized binder system in my man cave but my wife is stuck with me and my level of organization. Anyway I digress-- I dove in and started putting cards away and realized that I was way behind on...well everything.  Sending some deserved payback- sending some RAOK-filing my collection cards --putting my dups into at least the right sport...If I was as good at this as Kent or Nate or Richard or any of you guys that can manage to hit EVERYONE at once maybe I wouldn't feel as inadequate but I'm stuck with being me. I started thinking that maybe it was time for me to give it up --heck it was too hard and I am way out of shape--If I was as Klu-like as Wes then maybe I could find the energy to pick up these heavy piles and do something with them.  But my cards will have to be stuck  with me and my small muscles. If I was as creative as Aaron and Brian and Richard and TJ and Ed Schott and others with their miscut-oddball-9x and infinite Kiick collections maybe I would be more excited and not so lazy some days but my collection is stuck with boring old me. As I finally saw the table again (oh that's right it was brown--now I remember it!!) I came across the recent incredible cards that had come in my mailbox----and the more I thought about what we do for each other the more incredible each card became---each card was pulled and matched to my wantlist--and then someone thought enough to put the card in an envelope and send it to me--- not because they had to-- but because they wanted to.  They came without me deserving them--they came on days when I needed them because nothing else was going right--and each and every card made me smile when I saw it.  I will try to do better.  OBC deserves a better effort from me.  Thanks to everyone in the group for doing what you do.  I wish I would have had time to include everyone in this ramble because without a doubt you all have done something to help me but if this was much longer you may confuse me with Ken :) Thanks for reading--- hello??  hello?  oh well I would have deleted it too!! Brian Betza ================= To: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:35:04 -0500 Subject: 57 Robinson on ebay From: "Matt Yudt" Curious what others think of this card https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-Baseball-Card-328-BROOKS-ROBINSON-Rookie the price is at least half of what I see them going for. It doesn't look aged and the seller seems legit and isn't primarily a card Would you ask for a guarantee of authenticity and get it checked? ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 07:50:40 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: Rick For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick Look at this on eBay MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Rick'" , Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:53:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: "Matt Yudt" I saw this too and currently am the winning bid for the 1972 lot the sellerhas. Might take it up to 50 cents per card, so if someone wants it more than From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:51 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3to For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick Look at this on eBay MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 77 Topps football gremlins From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Verify again. All three are on their way... Sam Taylor On Sat, Feb 10, 2018 at 10:26 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I verified my set that I thought was complete this week and found 3 > missing. > Can anyone help? Any condition is good > 1. Harris/Stabler LL > 87 Marinaro Jets > 402 Buchanon Packers > Thanks for looking > Mark Zentkovich > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 Sam Taylor ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:16:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball From: Taylor Schock The burning question I have though is, in this day and age with camera phone technology, how is it even possible to take a blurry photo of something standing From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 10:50 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3to For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JHIAAOSw8-FaUpkA/s-l200.jpg] Look at this on eBay MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 77 Topps football gremlins From: mzentko ================= Date: 11 Feb 2018 17:46:22 +0000 To: Subject: ticked off From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:53:19 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: ShoelessWes I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. Wes Shepard > On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick > Look at this on eBay > MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 12:53:56 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: "Thomas W. Billing" $100 says this toppsaholic. Am I right? Tom Billing > On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > at a seller from whom I bought 8 rookie football cards for $9.99 and shipping. This is the message from the seller > sportscardsrus2011 hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address saying wrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went to my local post office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for for andim really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give u full refund on this and im really sorry , > I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. Ithink he decided they sold too cheaply. > Jurgensen rookie, > Sam Huff - R > and 4 more vintage rookies. > I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see if they show up on his site. > any advice > Richard Labs ================= Date: 11 Feb 2018 18:12:42 +0000 To: Subject: Ticked off From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:39:30 -0800 To: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: Rick That's what I have done just say you want them anyway you don't care they got If you get another excuse then there's your answer. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 11, 2018, at 9:53 AM, Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > tell him you want them regardless of the condition they are in > Dan > From: "rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:47 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off > at a seller from whom I bought 8 rookie football cards for $9.99 and shipping. This is the message from the seller > sportscardsrus2011 > hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address saying wrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went to my local post office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for for andim really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give u full refund on this and im really sorry , > I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. Ithink he decided they sold too cheaply. > Jurgensen rookie, > Sam Huff - R > and 4 more vintage rookies. > I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see if they show up on his site. > any advice > Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 10:42:22 -0800 Subject: John Rumierz, BA Murry From: "George Vrechek" I am doing a story about the longest running streaks for National tableholders, three guys with the top priorities for table selection. I have interviewed John Rumierz (Dearborn, MI) and Pat Quinn (Chicago) and will talk to BA Murry (Carbondale, IL) again. Any of you guys have any experiences with Rumierz or Murry? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:53:06 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Enos slaughter autograph index card trade or waiver wire From: Robert Fitts I have an extra Slaughter signed index card. I=E2=99d love to trade it for another HOF signed index card if somebody has one that I need. But if not, I=E2=99ll give it up to one of you. Please give a holler if you REALLY want it and I=E2=99ll chose the =E2=9Cwinner=E2=9D ================= To: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 13:55:54 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: "Sal Domino" Couldn=E2=99t be Toppsaholic. He would have charged $1000 each, then after they got damaged, we would list them as one of a kind for $250,000 each! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:54 PM To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off $100 says this toppsaholic. Am I right? Tom Billing On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] at a seller from whom I bought 8 rook ie football cards for $9.99 and shipping. This is the message from the seller sportscardsrus2011 hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address sayingwrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went to my localpost office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for for and im really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give u full refund on this and im really sorry , I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. I think he decided they sold too cheaply. Jurgensen rookie, Sam Huff - R and 4 more vintage rookies. I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see if they show up on his site. any advice Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:01:56 -0800 To: ShoelessWes , Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball From: wite3 ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:03:50 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: "Thomas W. Billing" You are correct. A piece of work for sure! > On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:55 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Couldn=E2=99t be Toppsaholic. He would have charged $1000 each, then after they got damaged, we would list them as one of a kind for $250,000 each! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:54 PM > To: rlabs1@yahoo.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off > $100 says this toppsaholic. Am I right? > Tom Billing >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> at a seller from whom I bought 8 rook ie football cards for $9.99 and shipping. This is the message from the seller >> sportscardsrus2011 > hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address saying wrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went to my local post office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for for and im really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give ufull refund on this and im really sorry , >> I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. I think he decided they sold too cheaply. >> Jurgensen rookie, >> Sam Huff - R >> and 4 more vintage rookies. >> I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see if they show up on his site. >> any advice >> Richard Labs ================= Date: 11 Feb 2018 19:05:26 +0000 To: Subject: 1957 Jay Publishing....... From: grains@shaw.ca ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:13:11 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1959 Topps Venezuela Duke Snider #20 Rare Baseball Card From: Rick To beat that dead horse. Toppsoholic won this card for $22 a couple days ago and already has it listed for sale and doesn't even have it yet. Wait forit! Look at this on eBay 1959 Topps Venezuela Duke Snider #20 Rare Baseball Card Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:15:37 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: DESTROYED! VENEZUELAN DUKE SNIDER HOF CARD 1959 VENEZUELA TOPPS #20 GENUINE POOR From: Rick You can have it for $79.90 Look at this on eBay DESTROYED! VENEZUELAN DUKE SNIDER HOF CARD 1959 VENEZUELA TOPPS #20 GENUINEPOOR Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 11:18:54 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1959 Topps Venezuela Duke Snider #20 Rare Baseball Card From: Rick To beat that dead horse. Toppsoholic won this card for $22 a couple days ago and already has it listed for sale and doesn't even have it yet. Wait forit! Look at this on eBay 1959 Topps Venezuela Duke Snider #20 Rare Baseball Card Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 14:21:01 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] DESTROYED! VENEZUELAN DUKE SNIDER HOF CARD 1959 VENEZUELA TOPPS #20 GENUINE POOR From: "Thomas W. Billing" I am surprised that he can read the Spanish at the bottom. It is unique inthat it is trash. > On Feb 11, 2018, at 2:15 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > You can have it for $79.90 > Look at this on eBay > DESTROYED! VENEZUELAN DUKE SNIDER HOF CARD 1959 VENEZUELA TOPPS #20 GENUINE POOR > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:13:27 -0500 To: wite3 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: Yahoo You guys made me buy them!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) > To: Rick > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 > I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. > Wes Shepard >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick >> Look at this on eBay >> MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:22:53 -0500 To: brightair@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice From: Mike Glasser The areas north of Myrtle Beach are really nice. Duck is pretty and quiet.I camped at Okracoke island many years ago and have nice memories of it. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, Feb 10, 2018 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice I've enjoyed the Outer Banks, particularly Ocracoke. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 9:30 PM To: Aaron Shirley Cc: rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice Amelia Island, on the Florida/Georgia border is a nice place to relax! Andyou could sneak off and see Guru... Take Care, Sent from my iPhone On Feb 10, 2018, at 7:23 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I love Folly Beach in Charleston SC. But I've had a poor sampling of the thousands of other beaches... I can just say Folly is nice. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf ofrjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2018 7:52 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] R welk needs trip advice On a not baseball related but an I need friend theme: I am trying to get a trip to the East coast in June. I should probably take my wife to a really nice beach. Been to Baseball Hall of Fame twice with her, maybe it is her turn. (we are going to the HOF anyhow), The East Coast beaches confuse me. I am looking for a not too crowded, hopefully not too hot, pretty walking beach south of Washington D.C. and North of Florida. Any ideas? Thanks I am kind of desperate. Randy Welk ================= To: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:37:05 -0500 Subject: do you need 1970 Topps? From: "Bob Donaldson" I'm looking over wantlists while watching the Olympics. If you have a need for 1970 Topps BB, and you are not on "who collects what?", please let me know. I've about 700+ dups! ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 15:47:58 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry From: mikesportsfan@aol.com John Rumierz is reknown for being one of the original importers of Venezuelan cards. He had hundreds of nice condition ones for decades. Very knowledgeable as you would expect, but not the friendliest guy around. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 1:53 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry I am doing a story about the longest running streaks for National tableholders, three guys with the top priorities for table selection. I have interviewed John Rumierz (Dearborn, MI) and Pat Quinn (Chicago) and will talk to BA Murry (Carbondale, IL) again. Any of you guys have any experiences with Rumierz or Murry? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:04:38 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC SB Pool update! From: Sean McGowan After a week, we have a dead heat at 77 hits for Mike and Bob! check out the totals at: http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm And email me the numbers you send out! Go OBC! ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 16:14:12 -0500 To: obcbobd@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] do you need 1970 Topps? From: wmcashton@aol.com Hey Bob, I'm in the process of changing my lists from Haves to Wants and need the following 1970 Topps; Thanks for looking! Bill Ashton 344 Simon Dr Hartford, WI 53027 -----Original Message----- From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 2:37 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] do you need 1970 Topps? I=E2=99m looking over wantlists while watching the Olympics. If you have a need for 1970 Topps BB, and you are not on =E2=9Cwho collects what?=E2=9D, please let me know. I=E2=99ve about 700+ dups! ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 21:50:26 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: Ticked off From: Just had a similar experience - I won a lot of tobacco cards (some boxing) for .99 - after the auction closed, the seller cancelled my bid, said he had lost the package. I've been watching his auctions closely to see if they come back up. Bill Malson ================= Date: 11 Feb 2018 21:55:31 +0000 To: Subject: about ticked off From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:13:38 +0000 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry From: Matthew Glidden John sold me a few Venezuelan cards for the #5 type set about a decade ago, including the 1959/1960 cards that are tough to tell from the USA versions. Not sure where I would've come up with those particular types, without someone of his specific experience. Haven't successfully bought anything from him in awhile, but always stop by just in case. At the shows, he seems to know people will come to him when they need something. I can understand him not being chummy or "can I help you with something," given his time in the hobby. He's seen more buyers than I ever will, I'm sure. On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > John Rumierz is reknown for being one of the original importers of > Venezuelan cards. He had hundreds of nice condition ones for decades. > Very knowledgeable as you would expect, but not the friendliest guy around. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 1:53 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry > I am doing a story about the longest running streaks for National > tableholders, three guys with the top priorities for table selection. I > have interviewed John Rumierz (Dearborn, MI) and Pat Quinn (Chicago) and > will talk to BA Murry (Carbondale, IL) again. Any of you guys have any > experiences with Rumierz or Murry? > George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 17:18:08 -0500 To: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ticked off From: "Thomas W. Billing" Please DO watch his listings as this happens, and did to me with toppsaholic. He won=E2=99t list it right away, for obvious reasons, but will about three months later. They WILL show up again as he realizes he under achieved Tom Billing > On Feb 11, 2018, at 4:50 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Just had a similar experience - I won a lot of tobacco cards (some boxing) for .99 - after the auction closed, the seller cancelled my bid, said he had lost the package. I've been watching his auctions closely to see if they come back up. > Bill Malson ================= To: "vrechek@ameritech.net" , Joe Adriance Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:25:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry From: Mac Wubben Joe Adriance and I ran into him at the beer place next to the Atlantic Cityconvention center. We did talk for a little bit...not super friendly, buttolerated us for a bit. Maybe Joe remembers more of the conversation. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:13 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry John sold me a few Venezuelan cards for the #5 type set about a decade ago,including the 1959/1960 cards that are tough to tell from the USA versions. Not sure where I would've come up with those particular types, without someone of his specific experience. Haven't successfully bought anything fromhim in awhile, but always stop by just in case. At the shows, he seems to know people will come to him when they need something. I can understand him not being chummy or "can I help you with something," given his time in the hobby.. He's seen more buyers than I ever will,I'm On Sun, Feb 11, 2018 at 3:48 PM mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > John Rumierz is reknown for being one of the original importers of Venezuelan cards. He had hundreds of nice condition ones for decades. Very knowledgeable as you would expect, but not the friendliest guy around. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 1:53 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] John Rumierz, BA Murry I am doing a story about the longest running streaks for National tableholders, three guys with the top priorities for table selection. I have interviewed John Rumierz (Dearborn, MI) and Pat Quinn (Chicago) and will talk to BA Murry (Carbondale, IL) again. Any of you guys have any experiences with Rumierz or Murry? George Vrechek ================= To: Yahoo Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 22:27:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball From: Mac Wubben Poor Jerry...he has no idea what he is in for. Nice buy though. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:13 PM To: wite3 Cc: ShoelessWes; Rick; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 You guys made me buy them!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Rick > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. Wes Shepard On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/JHIAAOSw8-FaUpkA/s-l200.jpg] Look at this on eBay MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball From: T J VALACAK MIME-Version: 1.0 Yep. Great buy. That is a tough set! Real tough > On February 11, 2018 at 11:27 PM "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Poor Jerry...he has no idea what he is in for. Nice buy though. > Mac > --------------------------------------------- > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:13 PM > To: wite3 > Cc: ShoelessWes; Rick; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 > You guys made me buy them!. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com mailto:Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > > > > > > Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! > > > > > > > > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com mailto:wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) > > To: Rick > > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 > > > > I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. > > > > Wes Shepard > > > > > > On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com mailto:rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick > > > > > > > > > Look at this on eBay > > > MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mprehttps%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fulk= > > > > > > > > > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > > > > > > > > ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:41:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: Jake Elwell Same thing happened to me recently -- pretty sure the seller got a better offer after he committed to and got paid by me. I decided to forget about it, collect my refund, and move on. Made me all the more grateful for OBC, where the such shenanigans are non existent =BA --Jake E On Sunday, February 11, 2018, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > You are correct. A piece of work for sure! > On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:55 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Couldn=E2=99t be Toppsaholic. He would have charged $1000 each, then after > got damaged, we would list them as one of a kind for $250,000 each! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC- > Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *'Thomas > W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:54 PM > *To:* rlabs1@yahoo.com > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off > $100 says this toppsaholic. Am I right? > Tom Billing > On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > at a seller from whom I bought 8 rook ie football cards for $9..99 and > shipping. This is the message from the seller > *sportscardsrus2011 > hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address > saying wrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went to my > local post office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for for > and im really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give > u full refund on this and im really sorry , > I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. I > think he decided they sold too cheaply. > Jurgensen rookie, > Sam Huff - R > and 4 more vintage rookies. > I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see if they > show up on his site. > any advice > Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:54:42 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: "Sal Domino" Stick to the low numbers! If anyone comes across a Met team card, it=92s one of the final 2 I need to finish the OPC Met run (Ryan rookie is the other. I can find it but not at my price). There is a guy who has the 71 Team card but he got it for =BD what he is asking and shipping from Canada $18???? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 5:27 PM To: Yahoo Cc: Rick; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 Poor Jerry...he has no idea what he is in for. Nice buy though. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:13 PM To: wite3 Cc: ShoelessWes; Rick; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 You guys made me buy them!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) To: Rick Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. Wes Shepard On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick Look at this on eBay MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 23:56:14 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: Shawn Smart ================= To: Shawn Smart , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 00:01:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:03:34 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: "Thomas W. Billing" Obviously all things are possible. Case in point is JoelsHitShow who has/had a big presence on COMC and would change prices once he saw someone had bid on a card. I quit even looking at his stuff due to his ethics. Tom Billing > On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:01 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Curious: can a seller change the shipping amount on an item while it=E2=99s active? Would bidders be notified? > Aaron > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2018, at 5:57 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> I had it too this week. Won an auction for 99 Cents and free shipping. Seller sent a generic email saying item was lost or damaged. Refunded me the money. I saw it re-listed 10 min later for 99 cents plus 2.99 shipping. He probably should have just ate the 3 dollar mistake because he just lost a customer. >> Sent from my iPad >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Jake Elwell jelwell8@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>> Same thing happened to me recently -- pretty sure the seller got a better offer after he committed to and got paid by me. I decided to forget about it, collect my refund, and move on. Made me all the more grateful for OBC, where the such shenanigans are non existent =BA >>> --Jake E >>> On Sunday, February 11, 2018, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> You are correct. A piece of work for sure! >>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:55 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>>> Couldn=E2=99t be Toppsaholic. He would have charged $1000 each, then after they got damaged, we would list them as one of a kind for $250,000 each! >>>> Sal Domino >>>> OBC - 1992 >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >>>> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:54 PM >>>> To: rlabs1@yahoo.com >>>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off >>>> $100 says this toppsaholic. Am I right? >>>> Tom Billing >>>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>>>> at a seller from whom I bought 8 rook ie football cards for $9..99 and shipping. This is the message from the seller >>>>> sportscardsrus2011 >>>> hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address saying wrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went to mylocal post office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for forand im really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give u full refund on this and im really sorry , >>>>> I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. I think he decided they sold too cheaply. >>>>> Jurgensen rookie, >>>>> Sam Huff - R >>>>> and 4 more vintage rookies. >>>>> I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see ifthey show up on his site. >>>>> any advice >>>>> Richard Labs ================= To: BRIAN , Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 18:16:23 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 Robinson on ebay From: mark zentkovich Also funny is that a missing corner only drops the condition down to vg? Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: BRIAN familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 4:59 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 Robinson on ebay Did you get it, Matt? The missing portion probably kept the price down, it looks good to me. Funny to see the 57 and 58 versions next to each other. The 57 is a youthful happy pose and a year later poor Brooks like he just binge watched a Gomer Pyle marathon... OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: 'Matt Yudt' mryudt@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: February 11, 2018 at 7:37 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 57 Robinson on ebay Curious what others think of this card https://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-Baseball-Card-328-BROOKS-ROBINSON-Rookie-Card-EX-VG/312064678280?hashitem48a8811988:g:Qg0AAOSwgLlaf0Qd the price is at least half of what I see them going for. It doesn=E2=99t look aged and the seller seems legit and isn=E2=99t primarily a card seller. Would you ask for a guarantee of authenticity and get it checked? =0DVirus-free. www.avg.com =0D ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:29:08 -0500 To: Yahoo Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: ShoelessWes Holy hell, Jerry bit the OpeeChee apple! He's hooked! Wes Shepard > On Feb 11, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > You guys made me buy them!. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! >> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) >> To: Rick >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 >> I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. >> Wes Shepard >>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick >>> Look at this on eBay >>> MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 >>> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:51:20 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: Yahoo I was excited but now all the Debbie downers have me sad again=82. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2018, at 19:29, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Holy hell, Jerry bit the OpeeChee apple! He's hooked! > Wes Shepard >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> You guys made me buy them!. >> Jerry Barnes >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! >>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >>> Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) >>> To: Rick >>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseballcards.3 to 523 >>> I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. >>> Wes Shepard >>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick >>>> Look at this on eBay >>>> MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 >>>> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 19:55:18 -0500 To: Yahoo Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 From: chris tripler Jerry, if it makes you feel any better, if you hadn=E2=99t bought them...I would have. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 11, 2018, at 7:51 PM, Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I was excited but now all the Debbie downers have me sad again=82. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 19:29, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Holy hell, Jerry bit the OpeeChee apple! He's hooked! >> Wes Shepard >>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 3:13 PM, Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> You guys made me buy them!. >>> Jerry Barnes >>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 14:01, wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> Hopefully someone in obc got them... that is a great price! >>>> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone >>>> -------- Original message -------- >>>> From: "ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >>>> Date: 2/11/18 9:53 AM (GMT-08:00) >>>> To: Rick >>>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards.3 to 523 >>>> I have never seen a better deal. In 10 years. >>>> Wes Shepard >>>>> On Feb 11, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>>> For you guys looking to jump in the OPC arena. Rick >>>>> Look at this on eBay >>>>> MLB lot of 231 different 1971 OPC baseball cards..3 to 523 >>>>> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 12 Feb 2018 01:02:44 +0000 To: Subject: OPC's and Canada From: grains@shaw.ca ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2018 20:47:25 -0500 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off From: Jake Elwell They can change the shipping charge amount only if there are no bids yet. On Sunday, February 11, 2018, Shawn Smart wrote: > I had it too this week. Won an auction for 99 Cents and free shipping. > Seller sent a generic email saying item was lost or damaged. Refunded me > the money. I saw it re-listed 10 min later for 99 cents plus 2.99 > shipping. He probably should have just ate the 3 dollar mistake because he > just lost a customer. > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 11, 2018, at 6:41 PM, Jake Elwell jelwell8@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Same thing happened to me recently -- pretty sure the seller got a better > offer after he committed to and got paid by me. I decided to forget about > it, collect my refund, and move on. Made me all the more grateful for OBC, > where the such shenanigans are non existent =BA > --Jake E > On Sunday, February 11, 2018, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> You are correct. A piece of work for sure! >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 1:55 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Couldn=E2=99t be Toppsaholic. He would have charged $1000 each, then after >> they got damaged, we would list them as one of a kind for $250,000 each! >> Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >> *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ >> yahoogroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *'Thomas >> W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> *Sent:* Sunday, February 11, 2018 12:54 PM >> *To:* rlabs1@yahoo.com >> *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ticked off >> $100 says this toppsaholic. Am I right? >> Tom Billing >> On Feb 11, 2018, at 12:46 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> at a seller from whom I bought 8 rook ie football cards for $9..99 and >> shipping. This is the message from the seller >> *sportscardsrus2011 >> > hello yesterday the cards i send u came back yesterday to my address >> saying wrong address and the envelope and cards were damage so i went tomy >> local post office to disuss this situation and they had no answers for for >> and im really upset because i dont do business ike that so im going to give >> u full refund on this and im really sorry , >> I just don't think it is true. The cards were already in OBC condition. I >> think he decided they sold too cheaply. >> Jurgensen rookie, >> Sam Huff - R >> and 4 more vintage rookies. >> I iam not going to leave a negative yet. I am going to wait to see if >> they show up on his site. >> any advice >> Richard Labs ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:42:10 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: non sports license plates From: Bob Saxton Can anyone suggest card shops or dealers who might have 1953-54 Wheaties state license plate cards or 1960 Post state license plate cards? Thanks in advance for any tips! ================= Date: 12 Feb 2018 20:05:06 +0000 To: Subject: 1973 Jack Tatum From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 15:11:46 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: non sports license plates From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Bob check with OBC Certified Dealer Alan Miley a.miley@verizon.net ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:52:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] do you need 1970 Topps? From: Aaron Shirley I was searching my dupes and found one (Schoendienst). Updated, with names added: BILL ASHTON'S 1970 TOPPS WANTLIST 240 Fergie Jenkins 300 Tom Seaver 449 Jim Palmer 555 Orlando Cepeda 600 Willie Mays 630 Ernie Banks 660 Johnny Bench 712 Nolan Ryan From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of wmcashton@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2018 3:14 PM To: obcbobd@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] do you need 1970 Topps? Hey Bob, I'm in the process of changing my lists from Haves to Wants and need the following 1970 Topps; Thanks for looking! Bill Ashton 344 Simon Dr Hartford, WI 53027 -----Original Message----- From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Feb 11, 2018 2:37 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] do you need 1970 Topps? I=92m looking over wantlists while watching the Olympics. If you have a need for 1970 Topps BB, and you are not on =93who collects what?=94, please let me know. I=92ve about 700+ dups! ================= To: Aaron Shirley Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 23:27:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] do you need 1970 Topps? From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: 12 Feb 2018 23:31:35 +0000 To: Subject: '67 Milton Bradley Football lot of 24 on the bay - anybody want to split? From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 12 Feb 2018 23:55:12 +0000 To: Subject: Some football waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 17:51:38 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Baseball questions From: Mike Diamanti OK Cardboard Nuts: While writing an e-mail to Grant a few minutes ago, I was kvetching about why don't the #@$%^ing Mariners go out in the free agent market and get some more pitching arms. Just pile up pitchers as backups, and if you don't need all of 'em, deal them to other teams later in the season. Makes sense to me....... So I told/asked Grant --- pitchers must get injured the most, right? But I don't know -- just a guess. During a given ML season, what position players end up spending the most time on the DL? On average? Catchers take a lot of abuse, but seem to tough it out. Infielders fall down a lot and outfielders fall asleep. Don't get me started on relief This should wind up some of you guys to get some answers. I will patiently wait for the info to roll in.............. Cheers, Mates Diamanti (Get Me Some More Pitchers --- NOW!) Coupeville, WA ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 21:14:28 -0500 To: Mike Diamanti Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball questions From: ShoelessWes I would seem to think pitchers sustain the most injuries. Even though, theymay not have as much time on the diamond as infielders etc.... My Reds have taken the stacked pitchers approach for many years, but they haven't had a true slugger, actually, since perhaps Eric Davis, Glenn Braggs, or maybe Sean Casey. They only kept Shin Soo Choo for a year. Pitching is what gets clubs to the playoffs, but Sluggers win pennants. Wes Shepard > On Feb 12, 2018, at 8:51 PM, Mike Diamanti islandcoffeeman@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > OK Cardboard Nuts: > While writing an e-mail to Grant a few minutes ago, I was kvetching aboutwhy don't the #@$%^ing Mariners go out in the free agent market and get some more pitching arms. Just pile up pitchers as backups, and if you don't need all of 'em, deal them to other teams later in the season. Makes sense to me........ > So I told/asked Grant --- pitchers must get injured the most, right? But I don't know -- just a guess. > During a given ML season, what position players end up spending the most time on the DL? On average? > Catchers take a lot of abuse, but seem to tough it out.. Infielders falldown a lot and outfielders fall asleep. Don't get me started on relief pitchers....... > This should wind up some of you guys to get some answers. I will patiently wait for the info to roll in............... > Cheers, Mates > Diamanti (Get Me Some More Pitchers --- NOW!) > Coupeville, WA > Virus-free. www.avast.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 19:08:59 -0800 Subject: Re: OPC's and Canada From: "George Vrechek" Thanks to Grant for his offer to accept cardboard drops. I think he has hit on a concept here. Sort of like COMC, you can have Grant hang onto the stuff and mail it later. Or better yet, Grant can just hang onto it indefinitely, more like the gold in Ft. Knox. That way you don't have to worry about keeping track of the stuff or space on your shelves. It is like a virtual collection that always looks ideal. We can even amend the set collectors recognition level that you can let you count all the cards held someplace in Canada or even Scotland or Costa Rica. We'll beat this postage problem. George Vrechek ================= Date: 13 Feb 2018 03:28:34 +0000 To: Subject: 1953 Topps Mays times 2 From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:39:20 -0500 To: Nathan Mack Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Mays times 2 From: Andy Huntoon Awesome story Nate! And congrats on picking up two of them. I wonder if Stan knows any of our OBC brothers in Ohio. Did he mention anyone in I say hold on to the extra Mays for a little while and see if you can sell it later to get closer to picking up the Mantle and kill that set. Andy Huntoon On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:28 PM, nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > A Morganti-like ramble for y'all tonight... > So, I have been patiently waiting for a 1953 Topps Mays and/or Mantle to > kill off a set that I never imagined I would be finishing off. I have been > watching auctions and other arenas like Net54 to see that these cards have > been bringing over the last few years, and, to be honest, it looked like > these 2 were going to out of reach. So, 2 weeks ago, I noticed a Mays on > evilBay with a Buy It Now for $200. It was a trimmed card with the left > white border neatly trimmed off, so I thought I might reach out to the > owner and see if there was any wiggle room. Turns out there was and a $170 > later, I am now the owner of a nice looking 1953 Topps Willie Mays! Sweet > right!!! > Well, that leads me into the next part of the story. I am at the biggest > show in Houston for the year last weekend and I am looking through a dealer > from out of town and I am just amazed at the inventory this guy has. You > guys in the northern mid-west and northeast don't have the problems that a > guy from Texas has with dealers having small inventories and seeing the > same crap at all the small shows. So, I am looking through this dealers > discount box and BAM! a 1953 Topps Willie Mays in this guys discount > box!!! WTF I am thinking!!? So, I set it aside because it has been > trimmed, but there are 4 white borders and it looks like another nice low > grade example of the card I have been looking for years. I talk to the > dealer and ask if there is any wiggle room for the Mays, he says sure. > Price of the card is $400, but the box is marked 50% off lowest price so I > am at $200 now. He says his lowest price is $150 and I jump at it!!! > BOOM! Now I own 2 1953 Mays cards! > So, I start talking to this guy... Turns out he is from Ohio. I start > talking about all the OBC guys in the area and at the OH shows and the > group in general, he knows all about us. I look at the business card he > gave me, his name is Stan Loch. It clicks, I have heard the name on the > forums and we talk about things for the next 20 mins even though he is busy > and selling stuff to other patrons. I then realize I have a hoodie on and > a flash my OBC maroon shirt logo that I am wearing underneath. He says, > you should have told me that eariler, I would have given you a better > deal!!! HA! > So, now I have an extra 53 Topps Mays. I am keeping the one with the 4 > white borders. But the other one... Should I trade it or DS it? I know > there are at least a few guys that need one in the group... Any thoughts? > Thanks and Cheers! > Nate Mack ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:42:31 -0500 To: nmack03@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Mays times 2 From: chris tripler Nate, if you decide to DS it, I=E2=99ll gladly be your huckleberry... Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:28 PM, nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A Morganti-like ramble for y'all tonight... > So, I have been patiently waiting for a 1953 Topps Mays and/or Mantle to kill off a set that I never imagined I would be finishing off. I have beenwatching auctions and other arenas like Net54 to see that these cards havebeen bringing over the last few years, and, to be honest, it looked like these 2 were going to out of reach. So, 2 weeks ago, I noticed a Mays on evilBay with a Buy It Now for $200. It was a trimmed card with the left white border neatly trimmed off, so I thought I might reach out to the owner and see if there was any wiggle room. Turns out there was and a $170 later, I am now the owner of a nice looking 1953 Topps Willie Mays! Sweet right!!! > Well, that leads me into the next part of the story. I am at the biggestshow in Houston for the year last weekend and I am looking through a dealer from out of town and I am just amazed at the inventory this guy has. Youguys in the northern mid-west and northeast don't have the problems that aguy from Texas has with dealers having small inventories and seeing the same crap at all the small shows. So, I am looking through this dealers discount box and BAM! a 1953 Topps Willie Mays in this guys discount box!!! WTF I am thinking!!? So, I set it aside because it has been trimmed, but there are 4 white borders and it looks like another nice low grade example of the card I have been looking for years. I talk to the dealer and ask if there is any wiggle room for the Mays, he says sure. Price of the card is $400, but the box is marked 50% off lowest price so I am at $200 now. He says his lowest price is $150 and I jump at it!!! BOOM! Now I own 2 1953 Mays > So, I start talking to this guy... Turns out he is from Ohio. I start talking about all the OBC guys in the area and at the OH shows and the groupin general, he knows all about us. I look at the business card he gave me, his name is Stan Loch. It clicks, I have heard the name on the forums and we talk about things for the next 20 mins even though he is busy and selling stuff to other patrons. I then realize I have a hoodie on and a flash my OBC maroon shirt logo that I am wearing underneath. He says, you shouldhave told me that eariler, I would have given you a better deal!!! HA! > So, now I have an extra 53 Topps Mays. I am keeping the one with the 4 white borders. But the other one... Should I trade it or DS it? I know there are at least a few guys that need one in the group... Any thoughts? > Thanks and Cheers! > Nate Mack ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 22:51:40 -0500 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps Mays times 2 From: ShoelessWes Awesome story! I day DS it and hunt for the Mick! And yes, the great lakes region and new england are cardboard hot spots. Cuz all the pro sports teams are from here, and winters suck! Great finds, glad to hear! Wes Shepard > On Feb 12, 2018, at 10:39 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Awesome story Nate! And congrats on picking up two of them. I wonder ifStan knows any of our OBC brothers in Ohio. Did he mention anyone in particular? > I say hold on to the extra Mays for a little while and see if you can sell it later to get closer to picking up the Mantle and kill that set. > Andy Huntoon >> On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 10:28 PM, nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> A Morganti-like ramble for y'all tonight... >> So, I have been patiently waiting for a 1953 Topps Mays and/or Mantle tokill off a set that I never imagined I would be finishing off. I have been watching auctions and other arenas like Net54 to see that these cards have been bringing over the last few years, and, to be honest, it looked like these 2 were going to out of reach. So, 2 weeks ago, I noticed a Mays on evilBay with a Buy It Now for $200. It was a trimmed card with the left white border neatly trimmed off, so I thought I might reach out to the owner and see if there was any wiggle room. Turns out there was and a $170 later,I am now the owner of a nice looking 1953 Topps Willie Mays! Sweet right!!! >> Well, that leads me into the next part of the story. I am at the biggest show in Houston for the year last weekend and I am looking through a dealer from out of town and I am just amazed at the inventory this guy has. You guys in the northern mid-west and northeast don't have the problems that a guy from Texas has with dealers having small inventories and seeing the same crap at all the small shows. So, I am looking through this dealers discount box and BAM! a 1953 Topps Willie Mays in this guys discount box!!! WTF I am thinking!!? So, I set it aside because it has been trimmed, but there are 4 white borders and it looks like another nice low grade example ofthe card I have been looking for years. I talk to the dealer and ask if there is any wiggle room for the Mays, he says sure. Price of the card is $400, but the box is marked 50% off lowest price so I am at $200 now. He says his lowest price is $150 and I jump at it!!! BOOM! Now I own 2 1953 Mays >> So, I start talking to this guy... Turns out he is from Ohio. I start talking about all the OBC guys in the area and at the OH shows and the group in general, he knows all about us. I look at the business card he gave me, his name is Stan Loch. It clicks, I have heard the name on the forums and we talk about things for the next 20 mins even though he is busy and selling stuff to other patrons. I then realize I have a hoodie on and a flashmy OBC maroon shirt logo that I am wearing underneath. He says, you should have told me that eariler, I would have given you a better deal!!! HA! >> So, now I have an extra 53 Topps Mays. I am keeping the one with the 4 white borders. But the other one... Should I trade it or DS it? I know there are at least a few guys that need one in the group... Any thoughts? >> Thanks and Cheers! >> Nate Mack ================= Date: 13 Feb 2018 03:55:55 +0000 To: Subject: Houston Tristar Show Report From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= Date: 13 Feb 2018 03:55:57 +0000 To: Subject: OBC links From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:36:36 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, larrytipton@windstream.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project From: mikesportsfan@aol.com We (Guru) have not received any new requests for cards on the Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project in 4 days. We will be wrapping this up in the nextfew days, so please get your orders in ASAP! I have been reading some of the posts from guys who have already received their orders. I have not heard any disappointment from anyone. Where else can you receive a unique keepsake and contribute to a fundraiser for only a minimum $2 contribution? See details below. FYI, thanks to a generous donation of $50 from 1 member, and other assortedcontributions, we are now at $236 raised for Kent's family. Thank you to all who have contributed!!! -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Feb 6, 2018 3:44 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project A quick update. We have already received donations or pledges of over $150. There are still a number of cards left. The 3 years with the most cardsavailable are 1970, 1968 & 1965. Get your momento of Kent and help his widow, Pam, out at the same time. See below for details. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Feb 2, 2018 4:08 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Kent Montgomery GGS Memorial project For those of you who are new to OBC, we have a long history of doing projects when a member passes away or has some other major event in their life that we want to assist with. Usually we ask guys to donate cards for an auction. We have set up scholarship funds for deceased members kids, assisted with burial expenses, etc. This is a new project idea that for a nominal amount we hope everyone can participate in. You may also have started to learn that OBC has its own slang language. Go to the OBC homepage and under OBC Specials, there is a link to the OBC Slang Dictionary. Guru Grading Service (GGS) is a term we use for cards slabbed by Larry "Guru" Tipton as a spoof on PSA and the other grading services. Most of you are aware that long time OBC member, Kent Montgomery, passed away a few years ago. OBC, led by Anson Whaley, recently assisted his widow, Pam Montgomery, liquidate almost all of his collection. Approximately 150 vintage (1960s & 1970s) cards were set aside to be sold to OBCers as a keepsake and a small fundraiser for Pam. These are all commons. Larry "Guru" Tipton has agreed that the Guru Grading Service "GGS" will "slab" individual cards as being part of the Kent Montgomery collection. They will be made available to OBCers for the minimum price of $2 for the first card and $1 for each additional card someone wants, which includes postage and handling. You are welcome to make a larger donation. Payment is to be made by Paypal Friends and Family to Guru at: LarryTipton@windstream.net All net proceeds (proceeds less cost of postage) will be sent to Pam Montgomery upon completion of the project or at the end of February. While this will be a small fundraiser for Pam, we hope to raise a hundred or two for a small group of common cards that Pam would not have receivedanything additional for them. For members you get a keepsake of a long time member and a card from GGS! While Guru will distribute the cards randomly he will TRY to send you a card from your favorite team if you let him know which team you prefer. I believe Kent's favorite team was the Pirates. You may order as many cards as you like, but there are only 150 cards left from Kent's collection. I hope everyone in the group will want at least 1 in Kent's memory! To order,please e-mail Guru at: LarryTipton@windstream.net If you have any further questions, please contact me. Thank you to Guru and Anson for making this pro ject possible. Mike Rich ================= Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 15:03:57 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Seattle's O'Brien brothers From: Mike Diamanti Hey Cardboard Nuts: Just found this on today's Seattle Times. An excellent, in-depth article on the O'Brien brothers, of '54 T fame. https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/seattle-university/after-a-happenstance-start-johnny-obrien-and-his-brother-eddie-took-this-town-by-storm/ Mike Diamanti Coupeville, WA ================= Date: 14 Feb 2018 19:21:14 +0000 To: Subject: PWE'S going out From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 13:41:32 -0600 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PWE'S going out From: tvalacak ================= Date: 14 Feb 2018 21:00:30 +0000 To: Subject: Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: bob.chapman50@yahoo.com ================= To: "bob.chapman50@yahoo.com" Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:31:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 16:36:34 -0500 To: bob.chapman50@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: "Thomas W. Billing" Sorry to hear about the bad experience. Where the condition is listed nearthe top, it is supposed to say =E2=9CAuthentic=E2=9D or =E2=9Creprint=E2=9D and this joker says neither. These guys are really a pice ofwork. Assuming you win the bid, I implore you to give negative feedback and tell why. I will make sure this guy will not ever get any of my business. Tom Billing > On Feb 14, 2018, at 4:00 PM, bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue > I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens.Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category.Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. > So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. Imade one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would be sharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly andwith a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. > So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 17:48:21 -0500 To: obc Ramblings , Subject: re PWE going out From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I mailed Super Bowl cards to Kevin M the day after the game. Then later Kevin posted a message providing a temp address for him in Florida I think. I mailed his winnings to NY where I assume my PWE is still sitting? TJ did you mail them to NY or FL? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 14:49:54 -0800 To: bob.chapman50@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: Rick Yes you do need to scour the whole listing because it is usually never in the title. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 14, 2018, at 1:00 PM, bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue > I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens.Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category.Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. > So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. Imade one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would be sharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly andwith a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. > So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:47:07 -0500 To: bob.chapman50@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: Andy Huntoon Hi Bob, Always check out the details before placing a bid. You usually only get burned once and this is your time. Luckily it is only a 0.99 bid for you so you're not out much if you win the lot and don't want the cards. Andy Huntoon On Wed, Feb 14, 2018 at 4:00 PM, bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" > as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look > at this offer that is running right now: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue > I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came > up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g > for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on > them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what > happens. Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went > to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint > category. Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title > that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. > So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for > several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay > and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 > bid. I made one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told > and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and > would be sharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and > grudgingly and with a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. > So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that > EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make > sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess > so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I > wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:51:49 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: OBC links From: Wayne Delia Sorry, missed this note from the other night... The "Guru Grading Guide" can be accessed by a link in the definition of "Tipton Mint" in the OBC Slang listing (OBC Home Page left side menu list --> OBC Specials --> The OBC Slang Guide --> Tipton Mint). ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 18:56:35 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: Anson Whaley It's really annoying. Sellers full well could simply add reprint to the title but they don't because they either want to dupe buyers intentionally or they know that people remove the word reprint from their saved searches andtheir listing won't even show up in the results. Why you'd want reprint listings to show up in the results of people who don't want them, though, is beyond My new favorite is what I believe Deans was doing for a while. They would label their reprint cards as 'repr'. That way they could claim some lack of responsibility and they still showed up in searches of people that had omitted the word 'reprint'. I don't think they do it anymore but those were funtimes. eBay could easily put an end to it. All they would have to do is create a separate category and insist all reprint listings be entered into there. Butlike most things, that would make too much sense. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 14, 2018, at 6:44 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > You should also be wary of the ones that show multiple cards in the picture, but the auction is for only ONE of the cards pictured. I wasn't paying attention recently and bid on a Yaz cloth sticker pictured with 3 other HOF'ers. I was so excited the Yaz was the variation I needed, that I didn't think to read the description (or the title for that matter). I thought I'd have trade bait for the Brett I have remaining until the card arrived alone.It doesn't happen only to newbs. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: Nathan Mack nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2018 6:32 PM > To: Thomas W. Billing;bob.chapman50@yahoo.com; > Cc: /b>OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb > You have to be careful when these types of cards come up. Another way tocheck out a seller is to go into his other listings. Found on a tab underthe dealer name near the bottom. If they are selling a bunch of Wagner=E2=99s and Ruth=E2=99s, you can assume the iffy card in question is a fake. But sometimes the dealer checks out and I feel better about buying a nicer star card from them. If the inventory looks legit, you can place a bid. > Thanks > Nate Mack > Sent from Yahoo Mail fo r iPhone > On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 3:36 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Bob: > Sorry to hear about the bad experience. Where the condition is l isted near the top, it is supposed to say =E2=9CAuthentic=E2=9D or =E2=9Creprint=E2=9D and this joker says neither. These guys are really a piceof work. Assuming you win the bid, I implore you to give negative feedback and tell why. I will make sure this guy will not ever get any of my business. > Tom Billing >> On Feb 14, 2018, at 4:00 PM, bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> OK, so I 've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue >> I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens. Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to thedescription below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category. Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. >> So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay andthey would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. I made one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and wouldbe sharing the issue with th em. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly and with a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. >> So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean thatEVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned.. Or am I wrong? > br clear"none" class"yiv4520061231class"> ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Ken M Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 00:05:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: richard dingman I agree. Read everything and even then be skeptical if it sounds too good. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 6:44 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb You should also be wary of the ones that show multiple cards in the picture, but the auction is for only ONE of the cards pictured. I wasn't paying attention recently and bid on a Yaz cloth sticker pictured with 3 other HOF'ers. I was so excited the Yaz was the variation I needed, that I didn't think to read the description (or the title for that matter). I thought I'd have trade bait for the Brett I have remaining until the card arrived alone. It doesn't happen only to newbs. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com My Site Meet my online trading friends at the OBC homepage: http://www.oldbaseball.com WELCOME!! - THANKS FOR COMING!! (**These are all "I NEED" lists - ANY condition... ------ Original message------ From: Nathan Mack nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Feb 14, 2018 6:32 PM To: Thomas W. Billing;bob.chapman50@yahoo.com; Cc: /b>OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb You have to be careful when these types of cards come up. Another way to check out a seller is to go into his other listings. Found on a tab under the dealer name near the bottom. If they are selling a bunch of Wagner=92s and Ruth=92s, you can assume the iffy card in question is a fake. But sometimes the dealer checks out and I feel better about buying a nicer star card from them. If the inventory looks legit, you can place a bid. Nate Mack Sent from Yahoo Mail fo r iPhone On Wednesday, February 14, 2018, 3:36 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Sorry to hear about the bad experience. Where the condition is l isted near the top, it is supposed to say =93Authentic=94 or =93reprint=94 and this joker says neither. These guys are really a pice of work. Assuming you win the bid, I implore you to give negative feedback and tell why. I will make sure this guy will not ever get any of my business. Tom Billing On Feb 14, 2018, at 4:00 PM, bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > OK, so I 've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb"as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a lookat this offer that is running right now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up.The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them,so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens. Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category. Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for severalmessages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. I made one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would besharing the issue with th em. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly and with a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned.. Or am I wrong? br clear"none" class"yiv4520061231class"> ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 19:36:53 -0600 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON , obc Ramblings Subject: Re: re PWE going out From: tvalacak ================= Date: 15 Feb 2018 02:38:06 +0000 To: Subject: =?UTF-8?Q?I=E2=99m_Wondering=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E=2E?From: ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 02:48:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: Taylor Schock I just reported the item to ebay using the "Report Item" link in the listing. Listing practices -> Search and Browse manipulation -> Misleading title.I believe this to be a good faith report I am making. Since he is selling these are reprints (in the body), these therefore are NOT card from 1956 and the title is misleading. Not holding my breath that ebay will actually DOanything (unless perhaps, they get enough complaints). From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:00 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue [http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/232662675396-0-1/s-l1000.jpg] 1956 Topps, Robinson, Aaron, Clemente, Mays, 4 Card Lot | eBay These cards are being sold in the reprint category and being sold as a reprint only. | eBay! I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up.The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them,so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens. Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category. Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for severalmessages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. I made one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would besharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly and with a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 02:53:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: Taylor Schock Having done that... I think ebay will allow it since there IS a reprint/original category that he checked appropriately. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:48 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; bob.chapman50@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb I just reported the item to ebay using the "Report Item" link in the listing. Listing practices -> Search and Browse manipulation -> Misleading title.I believe this to be a good faith report I am making. Since he is selling these are reprints (in the body), these therefore are NOT card from 1956 and the title is misleading. Not holding my breath that ebay will actually DOanything (unless perhaps, they get enough complaints). From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:00 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue [http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/232662675396-0-1/s-l1000.jpg] 1956 Topps, Robinson, Aaron, Clemente, Mays, 4 Card Lot | eBay These cards are being sold in the reprint category and being sold as a reprint only. | eBay! I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up.The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them,so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens. Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category. Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for severalmessages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. I made one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would besharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly and with a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:54:49 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: "Thomas W. Billing" Good idea, Taylor. As soon as I pull the trigger on this email, I will do the same. IUTIS! Tom Billing > On Feb 14, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I just reported the item to ebay using the "Report Item" link in the listing. Listing practices -> Search and Browse manipulation -> Misleading title. I believe this to be a good faith report I am making. Since he is selling these are reprints (in the body), these therefore are NOT card from 1956 and the title is misleading. Not holding my breath that ebay will actually DO anything (unless perhaps, they get enough complaints). > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:00 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb > OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue > =09 > 1956 Topps, Robinson, Aaron, Clemente, Mays, 4 Card Lot | eBay > www.ebay.com > These cards are being sold in the reprint category and being sold as a reprint only. | eBay! > I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens.Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category.Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. > So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. Imade one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would be sharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly andwith a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. > So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:06:25 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: ShoelessWes I reported these fake cards as fraudulent. We need a lot of us to please dothe same. Unless we get dozens of us to report the same guy, or same item as fraud-fake, nobody will care at ebay. I say once in every few weeks, we find a fake card and ALL report it to ebay. This stuff is killing the hobby, and driving your valued collections DOWN. Wes Shepard > On Feb 14, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I just reported the item to ebay using the "Report Item" link in the listing. Listing practices -> Search and Browse manipulation -> Misleading title. I believe this to be a good faith report I am making. Since he is selling these are reprints (in the body), these therefore are NOT card from 1956 and the title is misleading. Not holding my breath that ebay will actually DO anything (unless perhaps, they get enough complaints). > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:00 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb > OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue > 1956 Topps, Robinson, Aaron, Clemente, Mays, 4 Card Lot | eBay > www.ebay.com > These cards are being sold in the reprint category and being sold as a reprint only. | eBay! > I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens.Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to the description below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category.Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. > So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay and they would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. Imade one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and would be sharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly andwith a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. > So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean that EVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 23:44:21 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: Matt Yudt I agree. Taylor=E2=99s comment rings true. There shouldnt even be a category label that lets this type of thing get through. Its either a 1956 card or it isnt. Sent from my iPhone - please excuse typos > On Feb 14, 2018, at 11:06 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I reported these fake cards as fraudulent. We need a lot of us to please do the same. Unless we get dozens of us to report the same guy, or same item as fraud-fake, nobody will care at ebay. > I say once in every few weeks, we find a fake card and ALL report it to ebay. This stuff is killing the hobby, and driving your valued collections DOWN. > Wes Shepard >> On Feb 14, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I just reported the item to ebay using the "Report Item" link in the listing. Listing practices -> Search and Browse manipulation -> Misleading title. I believe this to be a good faith report I am making. Since he is selling these are reprints (in the body), these therefore are NOT card from 1956and the title is misleading. Not holding my breath that ebay will actuallyDO anything (unless perhaps, they get enough complaints). >> Regards, >> Taylor >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bob.chapman50@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:00 PM >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad Ebay experience from a newb >> OK, so I've only been using Ebay for about 6 or 7 months, so I am a "newb" as this dealer/seller called me. If you are interested, please take a look at this offer that is running right now: >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/232662675396?ul_noapptrue >> 1956 Topps, Robinson, Aaron, Clemente, Mays, 4 Card Lot | eBay >> www.ebay.com >> These cards are being sold in the reprint category and being sold as a reprint only. | eBay! >> I asked for "1956 baseball lots" and this is one of the items that came up. The cards are obviously worn, certainly less than excellent, maybe v/g for 56's. Anyway, there were several days left to bid, no one had bid on them, so I bid the min. with a $5 max. just to follow it and see what happens. Well, then (mistake, but I've never had to do this before), I went to thedescription below and it says that these cards are in the reprint category. Uh? Category? They're reprints? There is nothing in the title that says reprint. I've never seen a seller do this before. >> So, I contact the dealer, long story short, after belittling me for several messages back and forth, he refused to negate my bid. I called Ebay andthey would only let me retract the max bid, but not my initial $0.99 bid. I made one last contact with the seller and told him what I was told and that I had done what they said, and by the way, I'm a member of OBC and wouldbe sharing the issue with them. He wrote me back quickly and grudgingly and with a few more insults, said he would retract the bid. >> So, yea, I'm new, I guess it was my mistake. HOWEVER, does the mean thatEVERY time I place a bid, I have to check the explanation below to make sure it's not a reprint although it doesn't say it in the title? I guess so. What a hassle and misrepresentative as far as I'm concerned. Or am I wrong? ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2018 21:57:59 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Bad Ebay experience from a newb From: George Vrechek I find using gavel snipe gives you time to check out a listing again beforethe bid is registered. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 06:13:05 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: pretty nice photo pack for auction Net-54 From: biggies@aol.com For any that collect photos I thought this was a pretty good opp:http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t251323 ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 12:30:35 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: =?utf-8?Q?=E268_Topps_Game_Complete!!!?From: Jake Brewer I completed my 4th set today (even though this is a small one) to go along with =E254, =E256, and =E259T! I received 14 of the 33 cards (42%!) from OBC RAOKS! I spent a grand total of $10.33 to complete the set! So thanks to all to have helped, I look forward to continuing to help others complete their vintage sets!! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 17:59:29 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC on eBay From: Rick I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure itwas their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible. Idon't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good could come from it. He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 18:46:20 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC on eBay From: Rick I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure itwas their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible. Idon't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good could come from it. He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 02:53:21 +0000 Subject: OBC Centralia meetup From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 21:49:51 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: Yahoo I agree with you not just our name, but the fact that I think he is misrepresenting what he is selling. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 15, 2018, at 21:46, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. > Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. > Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! > But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. > He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible.I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good couldcome from it. > He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 andputs our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. > Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 16 Feb 2018 03:01:51 +0000 To: Subject: Thanks to Glasser and Elwell From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: 16 Feb 2018 03:17:40 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Thanks to Glasser and Elwell From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 00:30:30 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: ShoelessWes Agreed Rick, Wes Shepard > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. > Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. > Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! > But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. > He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible.I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good couldcome from it. > He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 andputs our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. > Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:02:49 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: Mike Glasser Is obc copywritten or trademarked? Otherwise we may not have a right to demand that anyone stop using it. They could also swoop in and steal the name from us too. Mike Glasser The Goddard School 14630 York Rd Sparks, MD. 21152 7300 Old Pimlico Rd Baltimore, MD 21209 > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. > Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. > Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! > But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. > He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible.I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good couldcome from it. > He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 andputs our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. > Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:13:52 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: Joel Freedman Rick, I am total agreement with you. I doubt we could stop him. If anything, i think he would list more, because it knows it pisses us off. It is absurd that off center cards are one of a kind thus sell for an outrageous price. I have another strange thought, there must be people buying these cards and he is making money. On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:30 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Agreed Rick, > Wes Shepard > On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I > have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure > it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and > price for the most part reflected the grade. > Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. > Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! > But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the > mud. > He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He > treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being > horrible. I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing > good could come from it. > He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and > puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. > Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel > that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 13:36:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: richard dingman Hard to imagine anyone is paying much for miscut or very oc cards. As far as I know, only me and Mike Rich collect them. I can't speak definitively for Mike but I know I am crazy, and even I would not pay more than pennies for a mc common and only a very low percentage (certainly less than 5%) for a mc star. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 8:13 AM To: ShoelessWes Cc: Rick; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay Rick, I am total agreement with you. I doubt we could stop him. If anything, i think he would list more, because it knows it pisses us off. It is absurd that off center cards are one of a kind thus sell for an outrageous I have another strange thought, there must be people buying these cards andhe is making money. On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:30 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol..com [OBC-Ramblings] > Agreed Rick, Wes Shepard On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure itwas their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible. Idon't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good could come from it. He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "OBC Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 14:39:08 +0000 Subject: 2018 National - Tuesday arrival? From: Taylor Schock Is there anyone who is coming to the National that is thinking/planning on arriving on Tuesday? ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 15:34:44 +0000 (UTC) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '61 Posts for trade....or not From: Bob Chapman I'm in Dallas for a few days (and am told I have envelopes anxiously waiting for my return home), so I always try to make it to Nicks Card Shop here which is one of the few in Texas I even know of. Well, the big cities have a few, but I'm in a small town and don't get out much. But I digress. He had a few '61 Posts so I grabbed the ones I could afford. My collection is small and I'm willing to let anyone have the ones I have for the asking.If you have dupes, sure, let's trade. If not, take your pick and enjoy. A couple are from my original kid set and either myself or my grandmother whowas collecting them for me cut the stats off the bottom. Here's the list ((b) is for box): 1961 Post HAVE: 26(b)(2), 52(b), 56(b), 61, 67, 76, 98(b), 112(b), 123, 124(b), 134(b), 149(b), 152(b)(2), 153(b), 166(b), 176(b), 179(b), 184, 185, 188(b), 189(b), 199(b)(2) Bob Chapman ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 08:52:12 -0800 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: Rick Yes I agree we probably don't have a legal right to ask him to stop. Yes I agree he thinks it's making him money or thinks it's made money for other people so why not try it for me. Yes I agree if we made it confrontational he would know it pisses us off and not stop doing it and probably do it more. If you look at his listings it mostly for miscuts but some nice graded cards to so doesn't seem to be a clear cut reason for his purpose. For his low grade cards he lists as low grade/poor filler cards. Which these are the ones technically he should be listing as OBC. Which says to me he doesn't know/understand anything about us. I do believe he's using OBC for old baseball cards because even Tampa bay writes it in his description OBC (old baseball I guess a polite please do not use OBC is all I'm looking for and see what happens. Again to me it being there potentially implies to the public we endorse himwhich isn't the image I want to portray. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 16, 2018, at 5:13 AM, Joel Freedman wrote: > Rick, I am total agreement with you. I doubt we could stop him. If anything, i think he would list more, because it knows it pisses us off. > It is absurd that off center cards are one of a kind thus sell for an outrageous > I have another strange thought, there must be people buying these cards and he is making money. > Joel >> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:30 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Agreed Rick, >> Wes Shepard >>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and Ihave never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. >>> Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. >>> Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! >>> But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the mud. >>> He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. Hetreats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible. I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good could come from it. >>> He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. >>> Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick >>> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:37:33 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: Bob Donaldson I believe George Bernard Shaw said I learned long ago, *never* to wrestle with a *pig*. You *get* dirty, and besides, the *pig* likes it. Might be best to just ignore this guy. On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Thomas W. Billing twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I want to hear the result after someone requests this action from him. I > know in all my tribulations with him, he kept saying he wanted to join OBC > while at the same time railing against our members as being against him and > his efforts to sell cards. He said some pretty nasty things about us. > Just to review an old email from him: > Does this sound like a guy who should be listing OBC on things? This was > one of MANY rants I had received from him along with the long phone call > with ranting. > Tom Billing > On Feb 16, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Yes I agree we probably don't have a legal right to ask him to stop. > Yes I agree he thinks it's making him money or thinks it's made money for > other people so why not try it for me. > Yes I agree if we made it confrontational he would know it pisses us off > and not stop doing it and probably do it more. > If you look at his listings it mostly for miscuts but some nice graded > cards to so doesn't seem to be a clear cut reason for his purpose. For his > low grade cards he lists as low grade/poor filler cards. Which these are > the ones technically he should be listing as OBC. Which says to me he > doesn't know/understand anything about us. I do believe he's using OBC for > old baseball cards because even Tampa bay writes it in his description OBC > (old baseball cards). > I guess a polite please do not use OBC is all I'm looking for and see what > happens. > Again to me it being there potentially implies to the public we endorse > him which isn't the image I want to portray. Rick > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 16, 2018, at 5:13 AM, Joel Freedman wrote: > Rick, I am total agreement with you. I doubt we could stop him. If > anything, i think he would list more, because it knows it pisses us off. > It is absurd that off center cards are one of a kind thus sell for an > outrageous price. > I have another strange thought, there must be people buying these cards > and he is making money. > Joel > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:30 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Agreed Rick, >> Wes Shepard >> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> wrote: >> I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I >> have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure >> it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and >> price for the most part reflected the grade. >> Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. >> Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! >> But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru the >> mud. >> He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He >> treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being >> horrible. I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing >> good could come from it. >> He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and >> puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. >> Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other >> feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 12:47:47 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: "Thomas W. Billing" That is a good adage and very fitting indeed. This guy is poison. Tom Billing > On Feb 16, 2018, at 12:37 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I believe George Bernard Shaw said > I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it. > Might be best to just ignore this guy. > Bob > On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:02 PM, Thomas W. Billing twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > I want to hear the result after someone requests this action from him. Iknow in all my tribulations with him, he kept saying he wanted to join OBCwhile at the same time railing against our members as being against him and his efforts to sell cards. He said some pretty nasty things about us. > Just to review an old email from him: > > Does this sound like a guy who should be listing OBC on things? This wasone of MANY rants I had received from him along with the long phone call with > Tom Billing >> On Feb 16, 2018, at 11:52 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> Yes I agree we probably don't have a legal right to ask him to stop. >> Yes I agree he thinks it's making him money or thinks it's made money for other people so why not try it for me. >> Yes I agree if we made it confrontational he would know it pisses us offand not stop doing it and probably do it more. >> If you look at his listings it mostly for miscuts but some nice graded cards to so doesn't seem to be a clear cut reason for his purpose. For his low grade cards he lists as low grade/poor filler cards. Which these are theones technically he should be listing as OBC. Which says to me he doesn't know/understand anything about us. I do believe he's using OBC for old baseball cards because even Tampa bay writes it in his description OBC (old baseball >> I guess a polite please do not use OBC is all I'm looking for and see what >> Again to me it being there potentially implies to the public we endorse him which isn't the image I want to portray. Rick >> Sent from my iPad >> On Feb 16, 2018, at 5:13 AM, Joel Freedman > >>> Rick, I am total agreement with you. I doubt we could stop him. If anything, i think he would list more, because it knows it pisses us off. >>> It is absurd that off center cards are one of a kind thus sell for an outrageous >>> I have another strange thought, there must be people buying these cardsand he is making money. >>> Joel >>> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 12:30 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> Agreed Rick, >>> Wes Shepard >>> On Feb 15, 2018, at 9:46 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>>> I know Chandy and Tampa bay has used our name for quite some time and I have never had a problem with it mainly cause I like both sellers. I'm sure it was their way of lets us know they were listing off grade stuff and price for the most part reflected the grade. >>>> Toppsoholic now uses our name and it bugs me big time. >>>> Yes I dislike him yes I'm being petty! >>>> But the bigger thing is I don't want anyone dragging our name thru themud. >>>> He uses our name like it means the cards are worth 1,000 times more. He treats people horrible and there are many threads on him for being horrible. I don't want our name associated with him in my opinion nothing good could come from it. >>>> He sells cards that we could find in .05 boxes and lists them for $25 and puts our name on it like that give it some kind of legitimacy. >>>> Can the board send him an email and ask him to stop. I guess if other feel that way if not then I'll just accept it. Thanks Rick >>>> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 16 Feb 2018 22:22:14 +0000 To: Subject: TCMA cards From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "'Taylor Schock'" , Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2018 22:14:18 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2018 National - Tuesday arrival? From: "Sal Domino" I am toying with Tuesday instead of customary Sun or Monday. Depends on the baseball schedule and who comes in early. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, February 16, 2018 9:39 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OBC National Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2018 National - Tuesday arrival? Is there anyone who is coming to the National that is thinking/planning on arriving on Tuesday? ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 02:07:21 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC at the National From: Ken M Hey everyone,  This year's National Sports Card Convention is in Cleveland's I-X Center from August 1st-5th. It's not too early to start planning. There is a (now officially recognized) server to update everyone on the activities. If you plan to attend, desparately want to attend or simply desire to live vicariously through the other fortunate attendees - Email me to add you to the list. If you've never been to a National, what are you waiting for, an invitation? Consider yourself invited. If you have questions, I'll be happy to answer them. We've pretty much got this down to a science by now. Hope to see you all there, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:07:09 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Short Ramble... From: Kent I've been very busy the last five months with very little tine for my favorite hobby. My aunt (last remaining family member on my mother's side) passed away in early October. So, I've been busy flying back and forth to South Pasadena, Ca. to wrap up her trust and estate, plus lots of phone time with her lawyer. It's has been a long drawn out affair with three banks to contend with her trust. I'm very unhappy with the Bank of America. They enjoy taking your money but are a pain in the ass when taking out/transferring monies. (Hope I don't offend anyone on that). High school bowling season ended last weekend and will be the last year I coach as I announced my retirement earlier in the year. My team made it to the State finals this year but faltered and finished in 11th place which it is not too shabby considering there are over 250 plus teams that had a chance to make it to the State finals. For some reason I will not miss the coaching aspect of iit as it ties me up for five months of the year but will miss being around the kids and watching them develop there bowling skills and as wall as them growing up. Last but not least for me some me time as I will be participating n a bowling tournament in Portland, Or. in early March, Anyone want to meet up? Also, anybody know of any card shops in Portland? I will be flying in Mar. 3 and returning home Mar. 11 Also, finally updated my wantlist which has been neglected for a while. Enough said... ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 10:13:39 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 08:06:48 -0800 To: Ken M , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: wite3 ================= To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 09:53:35 -0800 Subject: Re: OBC on eBay From: "George Vrechek" At the risk of beating a dead pig (great quote about wrestling with pigs), I am curious as to the views of any attorneys in our group. I just read the law for fun and have developed enough knowledge to know that I don't know much. However, I think OBC is already our trademark under common law and an infringement on our trademark would be someone who creates confusion by mis-using our name. We can tell him to cease and desist. If we have to argue with a moron (another great quote), we would have to defend why our name is protected under trademark law. Had we registered our trademark in the states and countries involved, we would have gone through the registration criteria to show why our mark is unique. If successful, we'd have a better chance of arguing infringement. We may not be successful in that the phrase "old baseball cards" is arguably pretty generic or "descriptive" and OBC is an abbreviation of the same. However, since we scratch our heads when dues are collected of $10 once in a blue moon and generally prefer hovering around bargain boxes, I don't see us wasting 10 cents on trademark registrations or legal fees, especially to get our shorts in a knot dealing with this guy. But, I'm still interested in the views of any attorneys in our group who remember their trademark, copyright and patent law. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 14:18:12 -0800 To: BRIAN Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Short Ramble... From: Rick I'm going to go to Canada on the 3/3 to go to a show and hopefully meetup with Let me know if you guys are going to meet another time. Small chance I could drive down so don't count me big in your plans but keep me informed. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 17, 2018, at 8:47 AM, BRIAN familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi Kent! > I=E2=99m the closest to Portland! > Dave Fallen , Rick Lyons and Mike Diamanti are 200 miles or so away. > I=E2=99m 15. > Card stores and shows are plentiful here, just like unicorns. > It would be great to meet you, so let=E2=99s make it happen! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Kent kwg0@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: February 17, 2018 at 5:09 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Short Ramble... > I've been very busy the last five months with very little tine for my favorite hobby. My aunt (last remaining family member on my mother's side) passed away in early October. So, I've been busy flying back and forth to South Pasadena, Ca. to wrap up her trust and estate, plus lots of phone time with her lawyer. It's has been a long drawn out affair with three banks to contend with her trust. I'm very unhappy with the Bank of America. They enjoytaking your money but are a pain in the ass when taking out/transferring monies. (Hope I don't offend anyone on that). > High school bowling season ended last weekend and will be the last year Icoach as I announced my retirement earlier in the year. My team made it tothe State finals this year but faltered and finished in 11th place which it is not too shabby considering there are over 250 plus teams that had a chance to make it to the State finals. For some reason I will not miss the coaching aspect of iit as it ties me up for five months of the year but will miss being around the kids and watching them develop there bowling skills and as wall as them growing up. > Last but not least for me some me time as I will be participating n a bowling tournament in Portland, Or. in early March, Anyone want to meet up? Also, anybody know of any card shops in Portland? I will be flying in Mar. 3 and returning home Mar. 11 > Also, finally updated my wantlist which has been neglected for a while.. > Enough said... > Kent > kwg0@aol.com ================= Date: 17 Feb 2018 22:23:42 +0000 To: Subject: National Random Act of Kindness Day From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 16:26:10 -0600 Subject: card show report From: mark zentkovich Not much vintage action at local Memphis shows, but I did find a 61 High number hit today (545 Wilhelm) It is always good to find a high number, especially at 15% of book Mark Zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= To: "'BRIAN'" , Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 17:29:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Short Ramble... From: "Bob Donaldson" YOU HAVE UNICORNS!!! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BRIAN familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2018 11:48 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Kent Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Short Ramble... Hi Kent! I=E2=99m the closest to Portland! Dave Fallen , Rick Lyons and Mike Diamanti are 200 miles or so away. I=E2=99m 15. Card stores and shows are plentiful here, just like unicorns. It would be great to meet you, so let=E2=99s make it happen! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Kent kwg0@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: February 17, 2018 at 5:09 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Short Ramble... I've been very busy the last five months with very little tine for my favorite hobby. My aunt (last remaining family member on my mother's side) passed away in early October. So, I've been busy flying back and forth to South Pasadena, Ca. to wrap up her trust and estate, plus lots of phone time withher lawyer. It's has been a long drawn out affair with three banks to contend with her trust. I'm very unhappy with the Bank of America. They enjoy taking your money but are a pain in the ass when taking out/transferring monies. (Hope I don't offend anyone on that). High school bowling season ended last weekend and will be the last year I coach as I announced my retirement earlier in the year. My team made it to the State finals this year but faltered and finished in 11th place which it is not too shabby considering there are over 250 plus teams that had a chance to make it to the State finals. For some reason I will not miss the coaching aspect of iit as it ties me up for five months of the year but will miss being around the kids and watching them develop there bowling skills andas wall as them growing up. Last but not least for me some me time as I will be participating n a bowling tournament in Portland, Or. in early March, Anyone want to meet up? Also, anybody know of any card shops in Portland? I will be flying in Mar. 3 and returning home Mar. 11 Also, finally updated my wantlist which has been neglected for a while.. Enough said... kwg0@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 18:21:26 -0500 Subject: Olympic Waivers From: "Bob Donaldson" Watching the Olympics and cleaning out some odd-ball dups. Claim away! 1970 Story Reggie Jackson TCMA 46 Red Sox Metkovitch TCMA 62 Giants Pagan 1989 Baseball Wit Yaz Pacific #29 Kubek 14 Harrelson 45 B Thomson ATG (green) Frisch, Gehringer, Grove, Matty 1966? Ed Matthews rub on 1963 Post #23 TResh 1954 Switching Engine (pre 57 topps size) Fleer Transfer, Twins and Dodgers 1956 Yanks WS Champs pennant card (1/2 normal size card) 1983 Greatest Olympians Wilma Rudolph Fleer Gomer Pyle # 37 and 40 1954 Johnston Cookie #47 ================= To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 19:25:46 -0500 Subject: an ebay saga with a happy ending From: "Matt Yudt" Here's an ebay saga I wanted to share. Seller is Main Street Sports Cards VT. Well over a month ago I bid on a graded (2) 65 Pete Rose. As I often do, I bid a little over what I wanted it for because I hate when they go for 0.50 or a dollar higher than my max bid. I wound up winning - for that max bid ($15.50). Then I doubted myself - overpaid a little (but not like we're talking big bucks here). So I decided to make a bunch of offers on some 50's and 60's stars he had BIN or BO for. I sent him a note saying I just won and am going to make some offers for what I think the cards are worth and not to be offended. My offers were between 30-50% of his BIN price. He ignored everything! They all expired 2 days later. I was a little pissed - at least decline or counter or reply, don't just ignore me. So I went in and made 2nd offers - 50 cents or a dollar higher than the previous. He ignored all but 1! The one he accepted was clearly the best one for him (a pretty decent 65 Yogi Berra for ~$13). Not bad, but not great deal either. OK, well, didn't get any deals from this guy, I just sucked it up and paid the bill. Then I get a package in the mail - has the 65 Berra but not the Rose! BUT it has a 52 Ted Klu instead. It was one of the cards I made an offer on but was ignored. I didn't think it was the same value as the Rose (but close) so I messaged him about the mix up. It was ignored for a few days. I opened a case. He finally replied that he had been sick and will check his shop for the mixup when he gets back. 4 or 5 more days go by, I message him again, let him know about the Klu card, and asked for resolution so I don't have to escalate. He finally replied that he is sending the card and something else for my trouble. Then a few more days, finally he replies that he is sending the card AND refunding me for the Rose. I got the $15 refund. Another week goes by and today, alas, the Rose shows up. Nothing else 'for my trouble' but I guess that was the refund - which was totally unexpected, and unnecessary - just send the damn card. So in the end I really made out - 65 Rose, 65 Berra and a 52 Klu for about $17. I feel like I made out too well, but it was quite the hassle. His ebay reviews do state he has a problem with being slow and not replying. If it wasn't for that, I might give him another shot; what would you do?. Geeze, sorry this story got so long. OBC forever, ================= Date: 18 Feb 2018 04:57:49 +0000 To: Subject: 1980 Topps Rickey Henderson RC- who needs one? From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Feb 2018 05:03:53 +0000 To: Subject: Original From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2018 21:26:08 -0800 Subject: Back to home From: "George Vrechek" A few people have asked, so I am reporting that we are back home in Chicago this coming Thursday. My traveling dup box has not enabled me to return fire to several of you. Hopefully, I can catch up in the next month and hit the Rosemont show in another month. I didn't hit any shows on the West Coast and only one store, but I got to get together with Ed Pike who lives a long block away from where we are staying in San Francisco. If you have sent me anything lately in Chicago and not heard that I received it, it is likely due to my friend in Chicago holding our mail this past month per my instructions. I'll get through all the mail next weekend and confirm any additional thanks due. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 07:34:49 +0000 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2018 National - Tuesday arrival? From: Steve Rittenberg I plan to arrive on Sunday, Monday, or Tuesday. It depends if I can get someone from the are to drive with me. Steve Rittenberg On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 9:24 AM Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-NATIONAL] wrote: > Is there anyone who is coming to the National that is thinking/planning on > arriving on Tuesday? > Regards, > Taylor ================= To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 02:48:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Original From: "Sal Domino" I=E2=99m going with no. Back is way too white, as in the color of reprints white. I don=E2=99t like the fold, doesn=E2=99t look like an original card would have that kind bubble and crack fold. I also don=E2=99t see any fibers on the ripped part of the card, as reprints tend to use a different kind of stock that would usually chip or just break. Not 100%, but for a guy with zero feedback besides the observations, I would be quite hesitant. I would ask him where he got it, that you would immediately send it for grading and if he would guarantee its authenticity, etc. Once you start questioning and mention OBC after your name when you email them, dollars to donuts that card will mysteriously disappear from the listing, or will have been =E2=9Csold=E2=9D. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 12:04 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Original Does this look authentic to you? https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Bowman-Color-Mickey-Mantle-New-York-Yankees-59-Baseball-Card/323072720506?_trkparmspageci%3Ab598e36d-1468-11e8-9d07-7= 4dbd1807140%7Cparentrq%3Aa7495f0b1610ad790b2bcf1efffae5cb%7Ciid%3A1 &_trksidp2481888.c100675.m4236 ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 12:43:04 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] TCMA cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com There are a number of variations in the TCMA sets. First off check the copyright on back. They tended to print similar cards in different years, and those are considered separate issues. Many issues in the 1975-1977 era come with different colors altogether. I believe the ones you are referring to come with a "plain" white border or a very colorful border. Other years and sets might have different color ink on back or a plain card v a blue tint. Some issues have borders and others have no borders. The photos are usually the same, but I have even seen pose variations on a few cards. One of the more interesting is the 1934 Cardinals heading v Gas House Gangheading, all but 1 or 2 are identical photos front and back. There are also white v unbleached backs. Summary is what I started with, there are a number of variations in the TCMA issues. This is especially odd since most sets had printing runs of 500-2500 only. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Feb 16, 2018 6:35 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] TCMA cards Theses crds are confusing me. An example of my confusion would be the 1968 Reds from 1986. I have one set of that are mostly red, another set I saw had blue top corners not red. Then I saw a different Bench. Are there regional variations or what do I have? I checked on trading card data base and found one of the sets. Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:33:12 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Unicorn Ramblings From: BRIAN about Kent Goto=E2=99s possible OBC visit was actually not asdisappointing as usual!
I have some good fellas from Portland who enjoycards, and hanging around a cup of coffee , or maybe it=E2=99s the other way around...good to see them.

I was able to hit a gremlin to my main Topps run list. Somehow my 1956 set had a missing #121 Pirates team card, but the binder slot actually held a card...a Red Sox card #111, with a little paper missing right where the card number is. Now that I have a trulyfull 1956 set, It made me wonder how many other cards are misaligned gremlins in my various binders. Oh some day I will get around to that.

I ran into a guy selling 1971 Topps FB, my silly quest. I bought a stack of stars that makes 20 sets a real possibility soon. These cards are great to me.
He also had a handful of nice 1972 Topps baseball high numbers. At $2each, I had to grab them.
This is my second set but same challenge as the first set...dang 700=E2=99s!
I found gremlin/unicorns (that=E2=99s a reverse gremlin where your list says you need a card, but there it is in the binder!) I cleaned up the wantlist on that second psycho set. Goodfeeling!

He had a big lot of 1975 Topps mini cards. Maybe 400-500 of them but unsorted. I need a bunch still but didn=E2=99t want to keep searching on my phone and card by card. I was tempted to buy them all, but Ididn=E2=99t.  I=E2=99m now writing to see if anyone wants to goin on the lot. He has a bunch of full size 75=E2=99s too...seemed he was asking $150 for everything, maybe 1000 cards. I didn=E2=99t want that many dupes of the same year and I wasn=E2=99t sure I would even finish my minis with the lot.

One of those collecting pals I mentioned brought his 1952 and 1953 Mother=E2=99s Cookies binder.
They are very colorful, in theme with the above mentioned 71FB, 72BB and 75BB.
Since I=E2=99m living in PCL territory, I=E2=99ve started collecting them more vigorously. I love the OBAK cards and these too...I bought his dupes including HOFer Joe Gordon and big star Lefty O=E2=99Doul.
Stan Hack has a card in each set, and even a 1952 variation, just sayin!!

The rambleis long, but the day is short! I have to work a couple hours today before my work week starts again...

OBC Forever,
Brian

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 16:33:37 -0500 Subject: foil stamped vintage Topps Cards From: "Bob Donaldson" Went to a show today (full report coming) and saw a dime box with some 1960s cards, which I thought was pretty good, but I noticed they all had a foil stamp for Topps 75th anniversary, s oI passed. Anyone collect these? ================= To: Bob Donaldson , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 23:14:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] foil stamped vintage Topps Cards From: Taylor Schock I do if I find them in the dime box. :) Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S8+. -------- Original message -------- From: "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 2/18/18 4:44 PM (GMT-05:00) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] foil stamped vintage Topps Cards Went to a show today (full report coming) and saw a dime box with some 1960s cards, which I thought was pretty good, but I noticed they all had a foilstamp for Topps 75th anniversary, s oI passed. Anyone collect these? ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:16:35 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: OBCAC Election From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Apparently the OBCAC election is underway! I am supposed to receive my =E2=9COBC Announcement=E2=9D messages in digest form, and I did not get any of the three messages that Mark sent out on the announcement server . Still plenty of time to cast your vote. ================= To: Taylor Schock Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 02:26:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] foil stamped vintage Topps Cards From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: "'obc Ramblings'" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 22:53:47 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election From: "Mark Holland" It=E2=99s a good thing that you identified not getting the 3 messages onthe Announcement server. I will send this via Ramblings in case anyone else is having similar email issues. The election has been underway since Feb 15 as delineated in the OBC bylaws and ends on Feb. 28th. If you have not voted yet, please respond directly to this email after selecting seven (7) of the candidates below. Voting is extremely close so every vote is important. Please let me know if you have any questions or issues. Here is the ballot. Brian Betza Geordie Calvert Doug DeJong Wayne Delia Joe Denning Sal Domino Joel Freedman Spike Glidden Tom Housley Peter Mead Ken Morganti Mike Rich Mike Rumley-Wells Taylor Schock John Scott Gray Wes Shepard Mark Talbot Jimi Thayer Randy Welk Mac Wubben Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2018 7:17 PM To: obc Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election Apparently the OBCAC election is underway! I am supposed to receive my =E2=9COBC Announcement=E2=9D messages in digest form, and I did not get any of the three messages that Mark sent out on the announcement server . Still plenty of time to cast your vote. ================= Date: 19 Feb 2018 14:52:39 +0000 To: Subject: Wee Willie T206 $30 / Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 15:39:17 +0000 Subject: Re: Wee Willie T206 $30 / Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay From: JAY TYSVER I like to tell the story of my only visit to a National. It was in 1984 or 1985 in Parsippany, New Jersey. I was in college and had about $30 to spend. As I walked right in the door I saw a man selling T206s for $1.25 each. He had some stars as well. I bought my Keeler for $1.75 and a 1923 Pie Traynor for $2.25. I bought another 15 or so T206s for $1.25 each. To this date,I only have about 20 or so T206s. Mine is the portrait. If I were buildinga set of these, I'd jump on this, but it may be awhile before I build thisset. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 8:52 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wee Willie T206 $30 / Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC on eBay Hi friends, I have kind of a weird post that I'll just keep in the Toppsaholic rant thread. To make a long story short, does anybody want this Wee Willie Keeler T206 for $29.90? https://www.ebay.com/itm/OUR-DEAREST-POSSESSION-GORGEOUS-MINT-T206-WILLIE-KEELER-HOF-BATTING-1909-11-CARD/122973611126?hashitem1ca1cc6476:g:KKcAAOS= wAPVZFTlV&autorefreshtrue I thought it books for $600 so not bad I guess for $30 Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 19, 2018, at 7:52 AM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi friends, > I have kind of a weird post that I'll just keep in the Toppsaholic rant thread. To make a long story short, does anybody want this Wee Willie KeelerT206 for $29.90? > https://www.ebay.com/itm/OUR-DEAREST-POSSESSION-GORGEOUS-MINT-T206-WILLIE-KEELER-HOF-BATTING-1909-11-CARD/122973611126?hashitem1ca1cc6476:g:KKcAA= > I made Mr. Topps an offer of $24 (not paying attention to who I was dealing with). His final offer was $29.90 which I suppose is the cheapest Wee Willie you'll ever find on eBay. > I was really considering it but spent some money already last night (fingers crossed on that particular purchase, more to come there). Maybe it's a little high for a card in that condition but I'd say it's pretty close if not a fair deal. > So... If you want that card let me know and I can buy it and you can pay me back. It's in atrocious condition but maybe a good filler? > David Luftig ================= To: "'obc Ramblings'" Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 12:52:36 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Announcements] OBCAC Voting Member Ballot From: "Mark Holland" With 41% of the members voting I will tell you again that the voting remains very close. We have 8 people within 5 votes. A "runoff" is a clear possibility. If you haven't done so, please take the time to vote as it is clear that you have many good choices. Please take the time to vote. Here is the ballot. . Brian Betza . Geordie Calvert . Doug DeJong . Wayne Delia . Joe Denning . Sal Domino . Joel Freedman . Spike Glidden . Tom Housley . Peter Mead . Ken Morganti . Mike Rich . Mike Rumley-Wells . Taylor Schock . John Scott Gray . Wes Shepard . Mark Talbot . Jimi Thayer . Randy Welk . Mac Wubben . Matt Yudt Subject: Storage options From: Gary Beard I've been trying to organize my collection a bit better recently and was wondering how you guys store some of your odd sized cards. I bought a few shoe boxes that I'm keeping some toploaders in. I'm filling the shoe boxes with my '52-'56 Topps, '48-'55 Bowman, all my Kellogg's cards as well as my Hostess cards. I'm also putting my Post collection into toploaders and storing them in shoe boxes, simply because, well, I don't know. I just don't have a lot of them, and don't like that many holes in a binder. But, I also like to flip through my card, so I prefer the toploaders to binder. I'm guessing Exhibit cards would fit into 4x6 toploader? Is there something better? I'm also wondering what some options are for the Red Man cards. I'm nearing completion to my '71 Ticketron Dodgers set (just 3 to go) and wondering what those might fit well into (they're slightly larger than Exhibit cards). I know a lot of these might fit well into 4/6 pocket pages, but I'm really looking to stay away from the whole binder option because they just don't stack well, at all, and they just take up a ton of space. I have a nice stack of MSA discs, and thinking there might be something they would fit nicely in. I've never used the 4x6 toploaders, and I'm guessing a lot of these cards I'm asking about might fit well into them. I just kinda want to get some opinions before I start investing in toploaders, boxes and other storage options. Thanks for any insight, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 03:42:09 +0000 Subject: bad seller From: richard dingman here is a current example of a dealer who uses a rare variation photo to sell a common. item # selling a 1963 #542 klimchock no top border. "stock" photo BS. be sure to avoid this dealer or buy at your own peril. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Galbreath mike.galbreath@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:13 PM To: Tim newcomb Cc: Ed Hutchinson; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic I've seen a lot of negative stuff about this guy in the past and don't wantto see him in OBC, either. Mike Galbreath On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Tim newcomb apspr@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > FWIW, this guy has a horrible reputation on the N54 board as well- No good! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 4:08 PM Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic Agree with Tom here wholeheartedly- we don't want this person/company/whatever in our group They lowballed me on ebay a while back, so I blocked them from bidding on my They asked me why, and I told them. Their response "Yeah, we lowball all the time, and hope that some sucker falls for our low offers." Do we want this kind of person representing our group? I sure dont! Ed Hutchinson On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:59 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > I have to beat a dead horse, especially since there has been some abrasiveness, but I need to let everyone know that this guy wants to join OBC. Hereis the last email he sent to me. If you want to let him in, that is OK asI do not like to black ball anyone. This guy is poison. This is the last email he sent after I contacted him trying to buy a pari of cards he once sold and then they mysteriously never delivered to the buyer. New message from: toppsaholic (8,965[Green Star]) I tried to contact seller to complain but he is either not taking any emails or he has me blocked because I complained about this in the past. Please complain to him about this until he blocks you too, maybe eventuallyhe will stop. I also tried to point this out to ebay but find no way to actually get a real message to them other than point out this ad as fraudulent. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, February 19, 2018 10:42 PM Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] bad seller here is a current example of a dealer who uses a rare variation photo to sell a common. item # selling a 1963 #542 klimchock no top border. "stock" photo BS. be sure to avoid this dealer or buy at your own peril. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Galbreath mike.galbreath@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:13 PM To: Tim newcomb Cc: Ed Hutchinson; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic I've seen a lot of negative stuff about this guy in the past and don't wantto see him in OBC, either. Mike Galbreath On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Tim newcomb apspr@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > FWIW, this guy has a horrible reputation on the N54 board as well- No good! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 4:08 PM Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic Agree with Tom here wholeheartedly- we don't want this person/company/whatever in our group They lowballed me on ebay a while back, so I blocked them from bidding on my They asked me why, and I told them. Their response "Yeah, we lowball all the time, and hope that some sucker falls for our low offers." Do we want this kind of person representing our group? I sure dont! Ed Hutchinson On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:59 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > I have to beat a dead horse, especially since there has been some abrasiveness, but I need to let everyone know that this guy wants to join OBC. Hereis the last email he sent to me. If you want to let him in, that is OK asI do not like to black ball anyone. This guy is poison. This is the last email he sent after I contacted him trying to buy a pari of cards he once sold and then they mysteriously never delivered to the buyer. New message from: toppsaholic (8,965[Green Star]) Subject: Re: toppsaholic From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 08:25:51 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 Topps Waiver From: jdelott@aol.com Please provide name and address 14, 23, 24, 53, 58, 66, 67, 97, 206, 217, 397, 435, 455, 463 Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: 20 Feb 2018 15:15:51 +0000 To: Subject: Re: toppsaholic From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 10:35:05 -0500 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] bad seller From: "Thomas W. Billing" I will send my usual gripe to eBay as I do all the time on burbanksportscards. Burbank showed a 1964 #77 Walker with the white stripes UL but sent a different one as they said it was a stock photo. About a month ago they showed the 1960 Neal with the blue lines someone kindly posted on the site and I snapped it up only to find out that it was a stock photo. I gave them neutral feedback both times. I had actually once spoken to an eBay agent who said that was a violation of policy to show something other than what isthe real item. Of course the old adage of =93money talks and BS walks=94 meant they did nothing. Tom Billing > On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:42 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > here is a current example of a dealer who uses a rare variation photo to sell a common. > item # > 162422325668 > shackem > selling a 1963 #542 klimchock no top border. > "stock" photo BS. > be sure to avoid this dealer or buy at your own peril. > Best, > Richard D > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of Mike Galbreath mike.galbreath@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:13 PM > To: Tim newcomb > Cc: Ed Hutchinson; OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic > I've seen a lot of negative stuff about this guy in the past and don't want to see him in OBC, either. > thanks > Mike Galbreath > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Tim newcomb apspr@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > FWIW, this guy has a horrible reputation on the N54 board as well- > No good! > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 4:08 PM > Cc: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic > Agree with Tom here wholeheartedly- we don't want this person/company/whatever in our group > They lowballed me on ebay a while back, so I blocked them from bidding onmy > They asked me why, and I told them. Their response "Yeah, we lowball all the time, and hope that some sucker falls for our low offers." > Do we want this kind of person representing our group? I sure dont! > Ed Hutchinson > On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:59 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > I have to beat a dead horse, especially since there has been some abrasiveness, but I need to let everyone know that this guy wants to join OBC. Here is the last email he sent to me. If you want to let him in, that is OK as I do not like to black ball anyone. This guy is poison. > This is the last email he sent after I contacted him trying to buy a pariof cards he once sold and then they mysteriously never delivered to the buyer. > TomBilling > New message from: toppsaholic (8,965) I used the word jerk becuz that's what you have been to us. you used to be so rude telling us what our cards were worth you made such a big deal outof stuff -- > I love that you will type type type and analyze m words like I used the word jerk ? yes. why? because I think youre a jerk. ok? > notice how your first message on this topic had many manipulative elements to it --true you didn't say we weren't ethical ...but you implied --- > I don't feel like typing back and forth with you ---simple fact is we do not like how you operate --mentioning your grop and how you will run back to them to say we are no good etc > just WHO do you think you are anyway? > LOOK at you sending us saved messages from months ago !! > wow you have too much time on your hands. > so now what URBIE > Reply Your previous message > Notice how you refer to me as as a jerk. I have chosen not to refer to you in a negative light. You may recall THIS email you sent to me after George bought the pair: > New message from: toppsaholic (7,749Green Star) > Hi buddy hope you're well. Someone bought those 2 for 100 last night and in a weird way we are hoping it was you who bought them thru a friends account perhaps.... the truth is we wanted u to have them we just DO NOT like your rude messages like johny hopp has anything to do with it. How could theworld go around if buyers just tolds sellers what they once paid for an item > You would do soooo much better with a friendlier tone ..i assure you. > This sounds like you wanted me to get them and now you question selling them to me. This also answers the fact that you thought George was doing this. > If this matter is not resolved now, I will be contacting eBay about your business ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:23:14 -0500 To: davidluftig@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: toppsaholic From: Yahoo Yes it seems to be getting worse day by day. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2018, at 10:15, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Haha No. Nobody said anything to me. I just felt a little bad about promoting an item from someone who's antagonized some of our members, > I actually wrote a follow up post earlier but it got lost in the ether. Is anyone else experiencing a rather high fail rate after submitting posts on > David Luftig ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:57:51 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 From: "Thomas W. Billing" His reply to me. > Begin forwarded message: > From: eBay - shackem > Subject: Re: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 > Date: February 20, 2018 at 11:40:49 AM EST > To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net > New message: I assume you would like a scan as you... > New message from: shackem (14,195) I assume you would like a scan as you did read the description? > Reply > Your previous message > Why are you using a rare variation of this card assuming it is NOT the card to be sent? If it IS the card to be sent, I will buy it instantly. Please let me know. > 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX > Price: $7.50 > Buy it now > Quantity Remaining: 2 > Buy it now > Get to know the seller shackem =E2=A2 Located: LYNBROOK, NY, United States > =E2=A2 Member since: Jul 06, 1998 > =E2=A2 Positive Feedback: 99.8% > We scan messages to enforce policies. Only purchases on eBay are covered by the eBay purchase protection programs. Asking your trading partner to complete a transaction outside of eBay is not allowed. > Email reference id: [#a00-mn9oiqatq4#]_[#1ada00daef3e4285bb37794ca512b5ec#] > We don't check this mailbox, so please don't reply to this message. If you have a question, go to Help & Contact . > eBay sent this message to Thomas Billing (urbie1). Learn more about account protection . eBay is committed to your privacy. Learn more about our privacy notice and user agreement . > =A92018 eBay Inc., 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:19:44 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message From: richard dingman What does his reply mean?? I guess he is ignoring your question of why he used a rare card scan and just asking if you want a scan of the "actual" card for sale? But if so, then why didn't he just put out a scan of the "actual" card for sale? Bottom line, it is obvious he is just trying to scam some unsuspecting schmoe to over pay for a common card. And ebay, like so many people (read politicians) in these times, will do anything to get more money and never, never, ever admit responsibility for anything. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:57 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 His reply to me. Begin forwarded message: From: eBay - shackem > Subject: Re: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 Date: February 20, 2018 at 11:40:49 AM EST To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net New message: I assume you would like a scan as you... [eBay][https://rover.ebay.com/roveropen/0/e11051/7?euid1ada00daef3e4285bb37794ca512b5ec&bu43196986275&sojTags= New message from: shackem (14,195[YellowShooting Star]) Price: $7.50 Buy it now Quantity Remaining: 2 Buy it now. eBay sent this message to Thomas Billing (urbie1). Learn more about accountprotection. eBay is committed to your privacy. Learn more about our privacy notice and user agreement. =A92018 eBay Inc., 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125 ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:21:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] bad seller From: richard dingman Very polite of you to give neutral rating. I would not be so ... understanding. Richard D From: Thomas W. Billing Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:35 AM To: richard dingman Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] bad seller I will send my usual gripe to eBay as I do all the time on burbanksportscards. Burbank showed a 1964 #77 Walker with the white stripes UL but sent a different one as they said it was a stock photo. About a month ago they showed the 1960 Neal with the blue lines someone kindly posted on the site and I snapped it up only to find out that it was a stock photo. I gave them neutral feedback both times. I had actually once spoken to an eBay agent who said that was a violation of policy to show something other than what isthe real item. Of course the old adage of =93money talks and BS walks=94 meant they did nothing. Tom Billing On Feb 19, 2018, at 10:42 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > here is a current example of a dealer who uses a rare variation photo to sell a common. item # selling a 1963 #542 klimchock no top border. "stock" photo BS. be sure to avoid this dealer or buy at your own peril. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Mike Galbreath mike.galbreath@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 6:13 PM To: Tim newcomb Cc: Ed Hutchinson; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic I've seen a lot of negative stuff about this guy in the past and don't wantto see him in OBC, either. Mike Galbreath On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 5:27 PM, Tim newcomb apspr@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > FWIW, this guy has a horrible reputation on the N54 board as well- No good! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 4:08 PM Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] toppsaholic Agree with Tom here wholeheartedly- we don't want this person/company/whatever in our group They lowballed me on ebay a while back, so I blocked them from bidding on my They asked me why, and I told them. Their response "Yeah, we lowball all the time, and hope that some sucker falls for our low offers." Do we want this kind of person representing our group? I sure dont! Ed Hutchinson On Sun, Oct 29, 2017 at 4:59 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > I have to beat a dead horse, especially since there has been some abrasiveness, but I need to let everyone know that this guy wants to join OBC. Hereis the last email he sent to me. If you want to let him in, that is OK asI do not like to black ball anyone. This guy is poison. This is the last email he sent after I contacted him trying to buy a pari of cards he once sold and then they mysteriously never delivered to the buyer. New message from: toppsaholic (8,965[Green Star]), Wantlist , Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:58:34 +0000 Subject: yahoo server test From: Aaron Shirley I've lost two messages... again... one last night and one this morning. People talking about losing messages "in the ether," that just means Yahoo isn't I don't want to be a thorn in anyone's side, but CAN WE PLEASE LEAVE YAHOO YET? ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 13:31:07 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] yahoo server test From: Ken M Yesterday I got a delivery failure notice... a full two days after my message disappeared from this server. An isolated incident and one of the very few times since 2001, but I think Yahoogroups may have finally worn out it's welcome. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Thanks] Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 1:01 PMTo: UVlist;Wantlist;OBC Ramblings;OBC National;Advisory Committee;OBC Thanks;Dealer Scum;OBC National;Virtual Card Store;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Thanks] yahoo server test I've lost two messages... again... one last night and one this morning.People talking about losing messages "in the ether," that just means Yahoo isn't delivering.I don't want to be a thorn in anyone's side, but CAN WE PLEASE LEAVE YAHOO YET?Aaron ================= To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:29:45 -0500 Subject: Dover New Hampshire Show From: "Bob Donaldson" Drove a little over an hour north to go to a show at the Dover Elks in New Hampshire. Just for something to do. Not a terribly big show. Spent a dollar at a dime box for some hostess dups. Until I came to the last table. The dealer was our type of guy. Mostly 57 to 62s many commons from 25 cents to $1, including some high Picked out the following 21 1961 Golden Press 29 1958 Topps w/ Maris g- $12 Aaron vg+ $5 5 1961 Hi numbers Ex+ $5 - $15 (Banks AS) 41 1957 Topps, mostly mid series 25 cents to $1, Reese ex $4, Banks, Berra $6 each (ex front, back damage) 46 1960 Topps, mostly hi numbers 25 cents to $1. Mays small pin hole $3, Kaline vg/ex, Ford vg/ex $3 Six 1936 R312 $4 to $8 each About 20 misc 50/60s cards ($1 51 Bowman Stengal, $2 Deckle Mays etc.) Total came to $320, $225 with discount Think I'll go back! ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 11:31:43 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Curiosity From: "Thomas W. Billing" From time to time I start thinking about my card-collecting history and develop One is that, following the latest 1960 white vs. gray back cards dialoguingon OBC, why did I, as a kid buying these packs from my local store, only have white backs? Were the gray sold somewhere else (obviously)? I was aware that, even back then, I got 1962 =E2=9Cgreenies=E2=9D as well as non-greenies in the same purchase, so why were both versions available then,but not in 1960? The same thing existed in 1963 as I got a lot of the =E2=9Cpurple sky=E2=9D Topps football cards, although I did not have BOTH versions of any. Later on, when trying to get the alternate versions, I found that I had about 10% purple sky already and just had to get the normal Another question I have is about the 1950 Bowman BB set. If there series were 36 cards and there were seven series, how did it end up that the no copyright versions were (apparently) initially issued on BOTH the last two sets? Were they actually printing more than one series at a time and found the error then? If they actually had a 72-card printing page, how did it wind up with SEVEN series? Lastly, someone once had posted a probable 1956 Topps football strip that contained the checklist and contest cards that were issued that year. If anyone knows where I could see this again (and save a photo of it), I=E2=99d be appreciative. I vaguely recall that he had contest cards 1, 2, and3 in the middle of the strip with contest cards A and B on both sides of those numbered ones, meaning A and B were double printed. Also, he had surmised that checklists were on either end, again resulting in double printing. That would mean the strip was 9 cards across, a likely scenario. I=E2=99d love to see this again. Joe Colabello once told me he vividly remembers selling two contest card C=E2=99s from the set. Logic would say that they ghouls exist, but the lack of visual proof has led many of us to doubt this and this 9-card strip seems to sustain that. Sorry about the questions. I am just pondering things now. At least I am not asking what the meaning of life is, why is there air, or how is toppaholic Have a great day. Tom Billing ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:23:28 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-VCS] yahoo server test From: Jake Brewer Here here! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2018, at 12:58 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-VCS] wrote: > I've lost two messages... again... one last night and one this morning. > People talking about losing messages "in the ether," that just means Yahoo isn't delivering. > I don't want to be a thorn in anyone's side, but CAN WE PLEASE LEAVE YAHOO > Aaron ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 19:57:12 -0500 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election From: mikesportsfan@aol.com There is little to no reason to get the Announcements in digest form. There are only a few posts per month and rarely more than 1 in a day. That does not explain why you did not receive the digest of those few messages. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc Ramblings Sent: Sun, Feb 18, 2018 7:17 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBCAC Election Apparently the OBCAC election is underway! I am supposed to receive my =E2=9COBC Announcement=E2=9D messages in digest form, and I did not get any of the three messages that Mark sent out on the announcement server . Still plenty of time to cast your vote. ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 07:57:25 -0800 Subject: Re: OBCAC Election From: "George Vrechek" I didn't get any of the announcements either, but have it now. Is there an election for the facilitator? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 17:32:26 -0800 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] foil stamped vintage Topps Cards From: John Stamper Hi Bob I collect them whenever I see them. 10 cents is a good price. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 > On Feb 18, 2018, at 1:33 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Went to a show today (full report coming) and saw a dime box with some 1960s cards, which I thought was pretty good, but I noticed they all had a foil stamp for Topps 75th anniversary, s oI passed. Anyone collect these? > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: 20 Feb 2018 16:35:50 +0000 To: Subject: Toppsaholic conversation From: goose54197783@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:16:01 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politics and opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted opinions. You just do not accept friend requests. So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics andopinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post pictures which adds a lot to our messaging. I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong aboutthat. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but the OBCAC could accomplish this. Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is thedown ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 17:39:44 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity From: Ken M Tom,  I feel it is my duty as Industry Expert to answer some of your questions. Please bear in mind that I have no evidence or personal experience (I bought my first pack in 1977) to back up anything, but my theories are as good as any :-)  In 1956, Topps contracted two different printers for both of the first two series resulting in the two different stocks used. The second series white backs are the toughest of the four, probably due to a result of smaller print runs as the summer wore on. The company using the lighter stock was phased out all together for the remainder of the set. It might also explain why you only got white backs in 1960. The print runs were packaged separately at each location or they arrived at Topps on different deliveries for packaging and distribution.  Bowman could have employed a similar practice in 1950. They had a similar situation regarding white and gray backs in 1949. The no copyright versions a much tougher to find in the sixth series as o pposed to the seventh series. It could be possible that one printer omitted the copyrights for the last two series, but printed more of the final series.  As far as the 1956 football set is concerned, I have the checklist and five contest cards (A, B, 1, 2 and 3). I refuse to believe there's a "C" card and if shown proof of such, I will accuse that person of forgery - for my own sanity of course :-) Hope this helps, even if it is just a bunch of good stories. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 4:38 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity From time to time I start thinking about my card-collecting history and develop questions. One is that, following the latest 1960 white vs. gray back cards dialoguing on OBC, why did I, as a kid buying these packs from my local store, only have white backs? Were the gray sold somewhere else (obviously)? I was aware that, even back then, I got 1962 “greenies” as well as non-greenies in the same purchase, so why were both versions available then, but not in 1960? The same thing existed in 1963 as I got a lot of the “purple sky” Topps football cards, although I did not have BOTH versions of any. Later on, when trying to get the alternate versions, I found that I had about 10% purple sky already and just had to get the normal versions. Another question I have is about the 1950 Bowman BB set. If there series were 36 cards and there were seven series, how did it end up that the no copyright versions were (apparently) initially issued on BOTH the last two sets? Were they actually printing more than one series at a time and found the error then? If they actually had a 72-card printing page, how did it wind up with SEVEN series? Lastly, someone once had posted a probable 1956 Topps football strip that contained the checklist and contest cards that were issued that year. If anyone knows where I could see this again (and save a photo of it), I’d be appreciative. I vaguely recall that he had contest cards 1, 2, and 3 in the middle of the strip with contest cards A and B on both sides of those numbered ones, meaning A and B were double printed. Also, he had surmised that checklists were on either end, again resulting in double printing.. That would mean the strip was 9 cards across, a likely scenario. I’d love to see this again. Joe Colabello once told me he vividly remembers selling two contest card C’s from the set. Logic would say that they ghouls exist, but the lack of visual proof has led many of us to doubt this and this ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 20:14:16 -0600 To: Taylor Schock , Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] foil stamped vintage Topps Cards From: tvalacak ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:13:31 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dover New Hampshire Show From: Andy Huntoon Nice haul Bob!! That must have been fun for sure. Andy Huntoon On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 5:29 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > Drove a little over an hour north to go to a show at the Dover Elks in New > Hampshire. Just for something to do. > Not a terribly big show. Spent a dollar at a dime box for some hostess > dups. Until I came to the last table. The dealer was our type of guy. > Mostly 57 to 62s many commons from 25 cents to $1, including some high > numbers. > Picked out the following > 21 1961 Golden Press > 29 1958 Topps w/ Maris g- $12 Aaron vg+ $5 > 5 1961 Hi numbers Ex+ $5 - $15 (Banks AS) > 41 1957 Topps, mostly mid series 25 cents to $1, Reese ex $4, Banks, Berra > $6 each (ex front, back damage) > 46 1960 Topps, mostly hi numbers 25 cents to $1. Mays small pin hole $3, > Kaline vg/ex, Ford vg/ex $3 > Six 1936 R312 $4 to $8 each > About 20 misc 50/60s cards ($1 51 Bowman Stengal, $2 Deckle Mays etc.) > Total came to $320, $225 with discount > Think I=E2=99ll go back! > Bob ================= To: "obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 18:40:16 -0500 Subject: Fwd: o pee chee's 70s and 71s From: ED SCHOTT figure Ill try all three with the current inconsistencies -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: o pee chee's 70s and 71s Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 16:55:42 -0500 From: ED SCHOTT To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com gots about 50... 71s and 250 ... 70s all commons ..all beaters point me at your lists ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2018 00:17:43 -0500 To: Mike Rumley-Wells Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Original From: Andy Huntoon I don't know if it's real, but the seller has no feedback and two other non card related auctions running right now. I'd stay away for sure. Andy Huntoon On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:03 AM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Does this look authentic to you? > *https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Bowman-Color-Mickey-Mantle-New-York-Yankees-59-Baseball-Card/323072720506?_trkparmspageci%3Ab598e36d-1468-11e8-9d0= > Subject: Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 From: "Thomas W. Billing" Anyone see any differences in the two =E2=9CREAL=E2=9D versions he just sent vs. the =E2=9Cstock=E2=9D photo? Tom Billing > Begin forwarded message: > From: eBay - shackem > Subject: Re: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 > Date: February 20, 2018 at 6:09:27 PM EST > To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net > New message: Hello, I have 2..I sent you both Thnx > New message from: shackem (14,197) Hello, > I have 2..I sent you both > Thnx > Do these photos violate eBay policies? Let us know Reply > Your previous message > Why are you using a rare variation of this card assuming it is NOT the card to be sent? If it IS the card to be sent, I will buy it instantly. Please let me know. > 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX > Price: $7.50 > Buy it now > Quantity Remaining: 2 > Buy it now > Get to know the seller shackem =E2=A2 Located: LYNBROOK, NY, United States > =E2=A2 Member since: Jul 06, 1998 > =E2=A2 Positive Feedback: 99.8% > We scan messages to enforce policies. Only purchases on eBay are covered by the eBay purchase protection programs. Asking your trading partner to complete a transaction outside of eBay is not allowed. > Email reference id: [#a00-mn9oiqatq4#]_[#c7b2e7264ab648e588c19fb3ffe44c9a#] > We don't check this mailbox, so please don't reply to this message. If you have a question, go to Help & Contact . > eBay sent this message to Thomas Billing (urbie1). Learn more about account protection . eBay is committed to your privacy. Learn more about our privacy notice and user agreement . > =A92018 eBay Inc., 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125 ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:07:08 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity From: Ken M Sent this four hours ago, so trying again at 9:07 pm... Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Ken M Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 5:39 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity Tom,  I feel it is my duty as Industry Expert to answer some of your questions. Please bear in mind that I have no evidence or personal experience (I bought my first pack in 1977) to back up anything, but my theories are as good as any :-)  In 1956, Topps contracted two different printers for both of the first two series resulting in the two different stocks used. The second series white backs are the toughest of the four, probably due to a result of smaller print runs as the summer wore on. The company using the lighter stock was phased out all together for the remainder of the set. It might also explain why you only got white backs in 1960. The print runs were packaged separately at each location or they arrived at Topps on different deliveries for packaging and distribution.  Bowman could have employed a similar practice in 1950. They had a similar situation regarding white and gray backs in 1949. The no copyright versions a much tougher to find in the sixth series as opposed to the seventh series. It could be possible that one printer omitted the copyrights for the last two series, but printed more of the final series.  As far as the 1956 football set is concerned, I have the checklist and five contest cards (A, B, 1, 2 and 3). I refuse to believe there's a "C" card and if shown proof of such, I will accuse that person of forgery - for my own sanity of course :-) Hope this helps, even if it is just a bunch of good stories. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 4:38 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity From time to time I start thinking about my card-collecting history and develop questions. One is that, following the latest 1960 white vs. gray back cards dialoguing on OBC, why did I, as a kid buying these packs from my local store, only have white backs? Were the gray sold somewhere else (obviously)? I was aware that, even back then, I got 1962 “greenies” as well as non-greenies in the same purchase, so why were both versions available then, but not in 1960? The same thing existed in 1963 as I got a lot of the “purple sky” Topps football cards, although I did not have BOTH versions of any. Later on, when trying to get the alternate versions, I found that I had about 10% purple sky already and just had to get the normal versions. Another question I have is about the 1950 Bowman BB set. If there series were 36 cards and there were seven series, how did it end up that the no copyright versions were (apparently) initially issued on BOTH the last two sets? Were they actually printing more than one series at a time and found the error then? If they actually had a 72-card printing page, how did it wind up with SEVEN series? Lastly, someone once had posted a probable 1956 Topps football strip that contained the checklist and contest cards that were issued that year. If anyone knows where I could see this again (and save a photo of it), I’d be appreciative. I vaguely recall that he had contest cards 1, 2, and 3 in the middle of the strip with contest cards A and B on both sides of those numbered ones, meaning A and B were double printed. Also, he had surmised that checklists were on either end, again resulting in double printing.. That would mean the strip was 9 cards across, a likely scenario. I’d love to see this again. Joe Colabello once told me he vividly remembers selling two contest card C’s from the set. Logic would say that they ghouls exist, but the lack of visual proof has led many of us to doubt this and this ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 20:15:43 -0600 To: goose54197783@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Toppsaholic conversation From: tvalacak ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:46:51 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 From: "Thomas W. Billing" Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: eBay - shackem > Date: February 20, 2018 at 9:44:50 PM EST > To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net > Subject: Re: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 > New message: Yes, that is why in bold red writing ... > New message from: shackem (14,198) > Yes, that is why in bold red writing I state that some photos are stock due to the enormous inventory I have of 4 million cards on 5 sites.. Impossible to scan each card. > Reply > Your previous message > Thank you for sending them. You may notice that the "stock" photo has part of the stop border missing, making git a sought-after error card. These sent are sweet, but totally together. > Thanks. > shackem: > Hello, > I have 2..I sent you both > Thnx > Your previous message > Why are you using a rare variation of this card assuming it is NOT the card to be sent? If it IS the card to be sent, I will buy it instantly. Please let me know. > 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX > Price: $7.50 > Buy it now > Quantity Remaining: 2 > Buy it now > Get to know the seller shackem > =E2=A2 Located: LYNBROOK, NY, United States > =E2=A2 Member since: Jul 06, 1998 > =E2=A2 Positive Feedback: 99.8% > We scan messages to enforce policies. Only purchases on eBay are covered by the eBay purchase protection programs. Asking your trading partner to complete a transaction outside of eBay is not allowed. > Email reference id: [#a00-mn9oiqatq4#]_[#c5096d13d6f74d3980f5adbfb6de3116#] > We don't check this mailbox, so please don't reply to this message. If you have a question, go to Help & Contact. > eBay sent this message to Thomas Billing (urbie1). Learn more about account protection. eBay is committed to your privacy. Learn more about our privacy notice and user agreement. > =A92018 eBay Inc., 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125 ================= To: LAWRENCE TIPTON , Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 21:57:23 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: mark zentkovich If we move to facebook, how would we separate thanks, ramblings, uv, dealerscum different areas? Has the leadership tried Google Groups as an alternative if we are a long time away from testing a forum based service? Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 8:12 PM To: obc Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politics and opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted opinions. You just do not accept friend requests. So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics and opinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post pictures which adds a lot to our messaging. I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong aboutthat. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but the OBCAC could accomplish this. Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is thedown =0DVirus-free. www.avg.com =0D ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2018 22:11:07 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Random thought of a not bright person From: Raymond Luurs I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who had the trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 05:52:03 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message From: richard dingman Photos come thru so small I can't tell and I see no way to enlarge. Tom, let us know if you get the variation. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 7:40 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 Anyone see any differences in the two =93REAL=94 versions he just sent vs. the =93stock=94 photo? Tom Billing Begin forwarded message: From: eBay - shackem > Subject: Re: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 Date: February 20, 2018 at 6:09:27 PM EST To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net New message: Hello, I have 2..I sent you both Thnx [eBay][https://rover.ebay.com/roveropen/0/e11051/7?euidc7b2e7264ab648e588c19fb3ffe44c9a&bu43196986275&sojTags= New message from: shackem (14,197[YellowShooting Star]) Price: $7.50 Buy it now Quantity Remaining: 2 Buy it now. eBay sent this message to Thomas Billing (urbie1). Learn more about accountprotection.. eBay is committed to your privacy. Learn more about our privacy notice and user agreement. =A92018 eBay Inc., 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125 ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 01:23:57 -0500 Subject: Killing Jay's 1977 Project From: "Sal Domino" Ok kids, Put the set away Jay. I have #8. You might want to downgrade this one down the road LOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Thomas Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 07:02:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message From: richard dingman I tried to send him this message Your explanation does not hold up. You should not show a picture of a rarecard when you are selling a common. It has at best the appearance of fraud, since believing it is just a coincidence is a mathematical improbability so unlikely it is like guessing how many grains of sand are on a beach and picking the right number. Thinking people will see through this, as haveevery one in our group and many others beside who no longer trust you nor are willing to buy from you. But do as you wish, you only have to endure the repercussions. but I could not, receiving a message that said his message was older than 90 days so I could not respond to it. It appears he and ebay have their game plan well worked out. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 9:46 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: eBay - shackem > Date: February 20, 2018 at 9:44:50 PM EST To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: Details about item: urbie1 sent a message about 1963 Topps #542 Lou Klimchock - EX #162422325668 New message: Yes, that is why in bold red writing ... [eBay][https://rover.ebay.com/roveropen/0/e11051/7?euidc5096d13d6f74d3980f5adbfb6de3116&bu43196986275&sojTags= New message from: shackem (14,198[YellowShooting Star]) Price: $7.50 Buy it now Quantity Remaining: 2 Buy it now. eBay sent this message to Thomas Billing (urbie1). Learn more about accountprotection. eBay is committed to your privacy. Learn more about our privacy notice and user agreement. =A92018 eBay Inc., 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125 ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:56:43 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: chris tripler To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to be placed on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seemstrange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soon after joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professor of Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College in Massachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazing amount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I pickedup from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s putting Mantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His small shoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when he flew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing that job. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were pretty much all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dad still had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970sfrom his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...he bought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped him get through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was taking care of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist...5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now, it'sthe realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection.We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it is due to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspired byfolks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I havehad such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kidsthroughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science, professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man, learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazon jungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a yearand half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so, i'mopening a brewery. Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even a part-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I just don't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be of the appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I've been used to giving to OBC). So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE About the new adventure.I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking (good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner of Connecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the GreatFalls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can look us up as Great Falls Brewing. As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, and alittle OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come and visit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, we will have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have set upa Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to make it successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested (especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter:Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life *) . I | | | | | Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, and the heart of a community...Great Falls B... | | Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and I hope to see many of you in the future. Cheers,Chris Tripler ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:22:07 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: Glenn Codere I would just like to say that this is perhaps the BEST reason I've ever seen for going inactive in all my years in OBC!! Very best wishes in your new venture, Chris. And should you ever consider exporting to Scotland and need to test the market in advance, you know whereI On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 11:57:17 AM GMT, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to be placed on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seemstrange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soon after joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professor of Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College in Massachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazing amount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I pickedup from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s putting Mantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His small shoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when he flew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing that job. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were pretty much all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dad still had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970sfrom his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...he bought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped him get through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was taking care of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist...5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now, it'sthe realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection.We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it is due to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspired byfolks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I havehad such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kidsthroughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science, professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man, learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazon jungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a yearand half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so, i'mopening a brewery. Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even a part-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I just don't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be of the appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I've been used to giving to OBC). So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE About the new adventure.I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking (good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner of Connecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the GreatFalls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can look us up as Great Falls Brewing. As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, and alittle OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come and visit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, we will have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have set upa Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to make it successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested (especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter:Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life *) . I | | | | | Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, and the heart of a community...Great Falls B... | | Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and I hope to see many of you in the future. Cheers,Chris Tripler ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:15:48 -0500 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: Doug DeJong I agree - best reason ever. What type of discount on beer do we OBCers get when we stop by?!!? You know we like deals. Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I would just like to say that this is perhaps the BEST reason I've ever seen for going inactive in all my years in OBC!! > Very best wishes in your new venture, Chris. And should you ever considerexporting to Scotland and need to test the market in advance, you know where I am!! > Glenn > On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 11:57:17 AM GMT, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to be placed on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seem strange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soon after joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professorof Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College in Massachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazing amount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I picked up from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s putting Mantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His small shoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when he flew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing that job. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were pretty much all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dad still had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970s from his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...he bought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped himget through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was taking care of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist....5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now, it's the realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection. We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it isdue to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. > The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspired by folks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I have had such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kids throughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science, professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man,learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazon jungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a year and half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so, i'm opening a brewery. > Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even a part-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I justdon't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be of the appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I've been used to giving to OBC). So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE > About the new adventure. > I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking (good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner ofConnecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the Great Falls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can look us up as Great Falls Brewing. > As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, anda little OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come andvisit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, we will have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have set up a Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to makeit successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested (especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter: Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life *) . I > Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * > Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, and the heart of a community...Great Falls B... > Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and I hope to see many of you in the future. > Cheers, > Chris Tripler ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:47:39 -0500 To: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: chris tripler I=E2=99ll be sure our POS has a button called =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D, it=E2=99ll be a good deal for sure :) Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:15 AM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I agree - best reason ever. > What type of discount on beer do we OBCers get when we stop by?!!? > You know we like deals. > Doug > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I would just like to say that this is perhaps the BEST reason I've ever seen for going inactive in all my years in OBC!! >> Very best wishes in your new venture, Chris.. And should you ever consider exporting to Scotland and need to test the market in advance, you know where I am!! >> Glenn >> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 11:57:17 AM GMT, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to beplaced on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seem strange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soon after joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professor of Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College in Massachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazing amount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I picked up from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s puttingMantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His smallshoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when heflew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing thatjob. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were pretty much all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dad still had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970s from his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...he bought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped him get through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was takingcare of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist.....5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now,it's the realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection. We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it is due to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. >> The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspiredby folks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I have had such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kids throughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science, professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man, learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazonjungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a year and half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so, i'm opening a brewery. >> Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even apart-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I just don't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be ofthe appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I've been used to giving to OBC). So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE >> About the new adventure. >> I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking (good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner of Connecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the Great Falls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can lookus up as Great Falls Brewing. >> As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, and a little OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come and visit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, wewill have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have setup a Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to make it successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested(especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter: Great FallsBrewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life *) . I >> Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * >> Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, and the heart of a community...Great Falls B... >> Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and I hope to see many of you in the future. >> Cheers, >> Chris Tripler ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:09:40 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1973 Schmidt card From: John Dahms Morning all. Looking to pick up a Schmidt RC to finish up my 2nd set.Hoping one of you fine fellows might have one and be willing to DS it to me. Thanks for the read and have a good day John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi 4 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:15:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: Taylor Schock Hmmm... I'm not sure if this is an argument FOR or AGAINST moving to facebook. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 11:11 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who had the trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea thathe is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybewe can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 09:57:31 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity From: "Thomas W. Billing" Thanks for taking the time to weigh in on this terribly important subject. FYI, I got the early attempt and a later one you sent, having assumed the first one did not go. What you say makes sense and enlightened me to the fact that the 1950 Bowmans with no copyright 6th series are tougher than the 7th. I was not aware of that and assumed that somehow they ran all 72 at once. Being lazy in myold age, I have found it easy to contact someone like 707 who has piles oflower grade cards sitting around to get most of them in one order at a great price. The same is true with Joe Colabello with football as he nailed about 80% of my stripe/no stripe 1963 football needs in one order. As to 1956, I agree that, until someone proceeds visual proof of a contest card C, it does not exist. I do not want to call Joe Colabello a liar and wonder when he thinks he sold these two. I would like to see if someone has the knowledge of the sheet size on this set as that could help. I.e., ifthe top row had 9 across, then the single strip theory of contest cards and checklists would really hold water. It it is 10 or more, not so much. Thanks again. Tom Billing > On Feb 20, 2018, at 5:39 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Tom, > I feel it is my duty as Industry Expert to answer some of your questions. Please bear in mind that I have no evidence or personal experience (I bought my first pack in 1977) to back up anything, but my theories are as good as any :-) > In 1956, Topps contracted two different printers for both of the first two series resulting in the two different stocks used. The second series white backs are the toughest of the four, probably due to a result of smallerprint runs as the summer wore on. The company using the lighter stock was phased out all together for the remainder of the set. It might also explainwhy you only got white backs in 1960. The print runs were packaged separately at each location or they arrived at Topps on different deliveries for packaging and distribution. > Bowman could have employed a similar practice in 1950. They had a similar situation regarding white and gray backs in 1949. The no copyright versions a much tougher to find in the sixth series as opposed to the seventh series. It could be possible that one printer omitted the copyrights for the last two series, but printed more of the final series. > As far as the 1956 football set is concerned, I have the checklist and five contest cards (A, B, 1, 2 and 3). I refuse to believe there's a "C" card and if shown proof of such, I will accuse that person of forgery - for my own sanity of course :-) Hope this helps, even if it is just a bunch of good stories. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: 'Thomas W. Billing'billingtw@sbcglobal.net > Date: Tue, Feb 20, 2018 4:38 PM > To: OBC Ramblings; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Curiosity > From time to time I start thinking about my card-collecting history and develop questions. One is that, following the latest 1960 white vs. gray back cards dialoguing on OBC, why did I, as a kid buying these packs from my local store, only have white backs? Were the gray sold somewhere else (obviously)? I was aware that, even back then, I got 1962 =E2=9Cgreenies=E2=9D as well as non-greenies in the same purchase, so why were both versions available then, but not in 1960? The same thing existed in 1963 as I got a lot of the =E2=9Cpurple sky=E2=9D Topps football cards, althoughI did not have BOT > H versions of any. Later on, when trying to get the alternate versions,I found that I had about 10% purple sky already and just had to get the normal versions. Another question I have is about the 1950 Bowman BB set. If there series were 36 cards and there were seven series, how did it end upthat the no copyright versions were (apparently) initially issued on BOTH the last two sets? Were they actually printing more than one series at a time and found the error then? If they actually had a 72-card printing page, how did it wind up with SEVEN series? Lastly, someone once had posted a probable 1956 Topps football strip that contained the checklist and contestcards that were issued that year. If anyone knows where I could see this again (and save a photo of it), I=E2=99d be appreciative. I vaguely recall that he had contest cards 1, 2, and 3 in the middle of the strip with contest cards A and B on both sides of those numbered ones, meaning A and B were double printed. A > lso, he had surmised that checklists were on either end, again resultingin double printing.. That would mean the strip was 9 cards across, a likely scenario. I=E2=99d love to see this again. Joe Colabello once told me he vividly remembers selling two contest card C=E2=99s from the set. Logic would say that they ghouls exist, but the lack of visual proof has led many of us to doubt this and this 9-card strip seems to sustain that.So rry about the questions. I am just pondering things now. At least I am not asking what the meaning of life is, why is there air, orhow is toppaholic REALLY.Have a great day.To m Billing------------------------------------Posted by: "Thomas W. Billing" ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Al though discussion of topics of general interest is perm ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 10:02:20 -0500 To: Raymond Luurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: "Thomas W. Billing" I am not a lawyer either, having opted back in the 1960s to go into music instead due to too much reading required. My first question is, do we have a trademark or copyright on the OBC name? If so, then we can nail this creep. If not, there is likely nothing to stop HIM from copyrighting our name(however I doubt he has the smarts to know how to do it). Do we have a nyattorneys in the group who could answer this question? The line about the assassination makes me want to let all of you know thatthis character was once arrested for assault as he pulls d knife on a guy in Plymouth, MA where he had lived. I put nothing past him as he is the type of guy we may have to read about someday pulling some heinous crime. Tom Billing > On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who hadthe trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= Date: 21 Feb 2018 14:38:03 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 10:59:25 -0500 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: Steve Hey Trip, Best wishes and good luck with the brewery, we will have to check it out when it=E2=99s done. OBC can translate to Old Beverage Company! Take care. Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:47 AM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I=E2=99ll be sure our POS has a button called =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D, > it=E2=99ll be a good deal for sure :) > Trip > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:15 AM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I agree - best reason ever. >> What type of discount on beer do we OBCers get when we stop by?!!? >> You know we like deals. >> Doug >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I would just like to say that this is perhaps the BEST reason I've everseen for going inactive in all my years in OBC!! >>> Very best wishes in your new venture, Chris... And should you ever consider exporting to Scotland and need to test the market in advance, you knowwhere I am!! >>> Glenn >>> On Wednesday, February 21, 2018, 11:57:17 AM GMT, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to be placed on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seem strange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soonafter joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professor of Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College inMassachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazingamount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I picked up from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s putting Mantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His small shoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when he flew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing that job. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were prettymuch all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dadstill had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970s from his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...hebought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped him get through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was taking care of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist......5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now, it's the realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection. We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it is due to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. >>> The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspired by folks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I have had such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kids throughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science,professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man, learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazon jungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a year and half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so,i'm opening a brewery. >>> Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even a part-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I just don't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be of the appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I'vebeen used to giving to OBC).. So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE >>> About the new adventure. >>> I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking (good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner of Connecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the Great Falls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can look us up as Great Falls Brewing. >>> As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, and a little OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come and visit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, we will have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have set up a Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to make it successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested (especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter: Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life *) . I >>> Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * >>> Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, andthe heart of a community...Great Falls B... >>> Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and Ihope to see many of you in the future. >>> Cheers, >>> Chris Tripler ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:01:23 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I'm not terribly computer literate myself, and understand everyone's concern for Yahoo Groups. The only thing I'd like to add is that sometimes the devil you know is better than the devil you don't... Just because Yahoo Groups sucks, does NOT mean that Facebook is great. Same thing for eBay sellers. Buying from Toppsaholic is a known quantity, his faults at least are known. Doesn't mean that other sellers aren't problems, many are worse. Toppsaholic sends promptly and shipping is reasonable. His photos are the actual card that you receive. Same thing with politics. Everyone wishes that politicians would just compromise and get along... as long as you do what THEY want. Compromise means that not everyone gets what they want. When you hear about a plan that "everyone can agree on," realize that it's probably a plan that whoever said "everyone can agree on" has had all along, and the idiots on the other side just need to agree with it. So, that's the solution, drop Yahoo Groups, get Toppsaholic banned from selling on eBay and vote Democrat... ...or not. Sam Taylor ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 08:16:28 -0800 To: davidluftig@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: Rick I don't know the answer I'll leave that up to the smart ones but I'm behindDavid in line cause I will never join Facebook. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:38 AM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hello friends, > I would also love to move our forum off of Yahoo but have some hesitationover moving it to Facebook. My concerns mostly focus around two issues > 1. We would be moving our site from essentially one free social media corporation to another. Who's to say that we won't experience the same problems with Facebook five years down the road? I'm really concerned about losingour backlog of postings when moving away from Yahoo. Each time we move servers, we most likely lose our historical content. For a group like us, I view this as a large problem. Therefore, I think we should make sure that anypotential forum is utilized for the long haul. I believe that keeping backlogs of our posts will be critical for the continuity our group. > 2. With a group like Facebook, we don't actually own the content of our posts. If I'm not mistaken, Facebook will have the right to do anything withour content or our user group that they want. Although this would most likely never have any actual effect on us, I like to be in control of our content. We wrote it and we should have 100% control of it. You may be surprised regarding the crazy things that have happened in such a scenario to otherusers and groups. I can go into more detail on this if you'd like. > Additionally, and this is just personal, but I'm not a Facebook fan. I have political and McLuhan-esque problems with it. I would prefer not to joinFacebook but will if needed. As it stands, I'm trying to be the last humanbeing not on Facebook. > I would love to see us setup a forum that we are in total control of. There's some free options but also some pay options. I'm happy to volunteer time to do research or be an admin if necessary. I believe if we are deliberate in our move now it will alleviate a lot of issues down the road. > I am also willing to pay money for a proper forum. I know such a forum will be more time consuming and costly but I really believe it will be worth it. > For me, the lack of search functionality and our lost posts are a gigantic issue on Yahoo. I also hate using Yahoo on a phone or tablet. I'm just hoping that our next web move will be for the long term and will alleviate the problems that we face now. > Just my two cents, > David Luftig ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:31:35 -0500 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: Yahoo I think another idea could be to create separate obc groups for ramblings, thanks, scum, ETC. then it would be easy to look at different sections., otherwise it would all get jumble together. But I think it could work a lot better. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 20, 2018, at 17:16, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? > I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. > I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politics and opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted opinions. > You just do not accept friend requests. > So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics and opinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post pictures which adds a lot to our messaging. > I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong about that. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but the OBCAC could accomplish this. > Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as towhy we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is the down side? > Guru ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:33:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: JAY TYSVER I'd be willing to pay for a proper forum also. Or could we hold a card auction for the money to put us on a good forum. I am a Facebook user, but I have some issues as well with Facebook and I tend to believe that it could wind up diminishing its stature in the future. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:38 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? Hello friends, I would also love to move our forum off of Yahoo but have some hesitation over moving it to Facebook. My concerns mostly focus around two issues 1. We would be moving our site from essentially one free social media corporation to another. Who's to say that we won't experience the same problems with Facebook five years down the road? I'm really concerned about losing our backlog of postings when moving away from Yahoo. Each time we move servers, we most likely lose our historical content. For a group like us, I viewthis as a large problem. Therefore, I think we should make sure that any potential forum is utilized for the long haul. I believe that keeping backlogs of our posts will be critical for the continuity our group. 2. With a group like Facebook, we don't actually own the content of our posts. If I'm not mistaken, Facebook will have the right to do anything with our content or our user group that they want. Although this would most likely never have any actual effect on us, I like to be in control of our content. We wrote it and we should have 100% control of it. You may be surprised regarding the crazy things that have happened in such a scenario to other users and groups. I can go into more detail on this if you'd like. Additionally, and this is just personal, but I'm not a Facebook fan. I havepolitical and McLuhan-esque problems with it. I would prefer not to join Facebook but will if needed. As it stands, I'm trying to be the last human being not on Facebook. I would love to see us setup a forum that we are in total control of. There's some free options but also some pay options. I'm happy to volunteer timeto do research or be an admin if necessary. I believe if we are deliberatein our move now it will alleviate a lot of issues down the road. I am also willing to pay money for a proper forum. I know such a forum willbe more time consuming and costly but I really believe it will be worth it. For me, the lack of search functionality and our lost posts are a gigantic issue on Yahoo. I also hate using Yahoo on a phone or tablet. I'm just hoping that our next web move will be for the long term and will alleviate theproblems that we face now. Just my two cents, David Luftig ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:45:07 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net I think we are all in agreement that Yahoo's performance has declined to the point that we need to consider alternatives. I am not at all convinced that the answer is Facebook for a host of different reasons--some already mentioned. I really only want to go on FB to see pictures of my two girls andwhatever they are getting into today; otherwise there is simply too much crap on FB. I believe Wayne and Joe I. have been reviewing alternatives including any offering from our current web host. If we move from Yahoo, we should also explore how we might save the archiveof messages. Don't know if there is anyway to export the years of emails from the various servers? My two cents--and remember to place your bids in the February Wauction. (we already have a decent auction upcoming at the end of March as well). peter mead -----Original Message----- From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Cc: obc Ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 11:33 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I think another idea could be to create separate obc groups for ramblings, thanks, scum, ETC. then it would be easy to look at different sections., otherwise it would all get jumble together. But I think it could work a lot better. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2018, at 17:16, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politics and opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted opinions. You just do not accept friend requests. So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics andopinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post pictures which adds a lot to our messaging. I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong aboutthat. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but the OBCAC could accomplish this. Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is thedown ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 11:55:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Did I Read this right? From: Gary Mandell Did I just read an OBC member's post to Ramblings hoping he hears that the President of the United States has been assassinated? If I did, I would like to know what, if anything, the OBCAC's reaction and action will be Gary Mandell ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:11:59 -0500 To: Gary Mandell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did I Read this right? From: "Thomas W. Billing" It was a veiled thought I am sure and we need to stay out of this area to avoid bad feelings among members. My Facebook account has unfriended many due to political BS being sent out. I am not a real fan of Facebook BTW andhope that another entity can suffice for us. I have not really had major Yahoo problems but they cannot be overlooked. It is always too bad that these techies just blow off folks asking to have things fixed. Tom Billing > On Feb 21, 2018, at 11:55 AM, Gary Mandell smartalecx@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Did I just read an OBC member's post to Ramblings hoping he hears that the President of the United States has been assassinated? > If I did, I would like to know what, if anything, the OBCAC's reaction and action will be > Thanks, > Gary Mandell ================= To: "'Gary Mandell'" , Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:27:24 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Did I Read this right? From: "Mark Holland" Unfortunately you did read it correctly. I responded directly to the author of the email stating disgust and embarrassment to be part of a group thatwill tolerate such a message. If the OBC doesn=E2=99t act on this quickly I plan to leave the group as soon as I finish running the election. This group has shown too much leniency and tolerance for inappropriate behaviors and low morals. I don=E2=99t mind not liking our president but to hope that ANYBODY is assassinated is 100% irresponsible. If this is a serious comment on his part then he should seek help before harming himself or others. Thanks for opening this up publicly Gary. I agree with you 100%. What is the OBCAC going to do? And can we make it known to the group? Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Mandell smartalecx@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 11:55 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Did I Read this right? Did I just read an OBC member's post to Ramblings hoping he hears that the President of the United States has been assassinated? If I did, I would like to know what, if anything, the OBCAC's reaction and action will be Gary Mandell ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 12:48:34 -0500 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: Anson Whaley I've steered clear of this conversation in the past just because there have been an abundance of ideas. But with it being opened up again, my own personal vote would be the creation of a forum like Net54. I think the current setup of emails mostly works fine, but I personally could probably stand to see fewer messages. Between work, OBC, my personal email, and emails I receive as a result of freelance writing, I'm often up over 100 emails a day. That's even with the consolidation of the Thanks emails into one distribution per day. A forum website would offer so much flexibility and it's really the best of both worlds. You can not only get notified of a new post via email but if you prefer, you simply go to the forum at your leisure. Topics are also kept a little more tidy. Don't want to read one of 30 posts on a 1972 Topps variation in a Ramblings forum? You simply avoid that thread. As it stands now, you're getting numerous emails on those sorts of things. It would also be great to have everything at once, right in front of you rather than needing to jump from email thread to thread. I often delete emails or even if I haven't, I have to dig quite a bit to find an old email. That doesn't happen with the forum. Think someone was selling a 1957 Topps card you need a few months ago and need to see if they still have it? You simply go to the Dealer Scum forum and it's right there. Heck, maybe the site even includes a forum for personal stuff like notes on family, friends, etc. Not that you can't do that in the Ramblings email as it currently stands but on a forum, it's even more appropriate. People can view that forum if they simply want to keep up with members. Even if it got put into a regular Ramblings forum, people still have the option of reading as much or as little as they want. And think about this - each member would have a page with all of their information is readily available on their member page - a picture, wantlist links, mailing address, collecting goals, etc. And, if you want to share it, even personal information like birthdays, pets, names of family members, etc. Just a way to keep track of who's who. Like anything else, it could include as much or as little information as you want. If that scares you, put your name and wantlist and call it a day. Having all of that information on one single page would be great. I can't speak to the time or financial resources to commit to something like that. But in a perfect world, a Net54-like forum would be my suggestion. Even if there's a cost to it, I think the benefit would far outweigh it. On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:16 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? > I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups > move to Facebook. > I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politics > and opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a > year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted > opinions. > You just do not accept friend requests. > So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card > Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics > and opinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post > which adds a lot to our messaging. > I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would > probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong > about that. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or > members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but > the OBCAC could accomplish this. > Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to > why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is the > side? > Guru ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:02:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: Taylor Schock Thanks for the well thought out and well written opinion. I agree alot withwhat you said (likely all). My concerns and reasons for NOT wanting Facebook as the platform boil down to security, privacy, and censorship, which are all interrelated on Facebook. Essentially, they are for the internet as awhole. But at least they can be compartmentalized a bit more effectively OUTSIDE of Facebook. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 9:38 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? Hello friends, I would also love to move our forum off of Yahoo but have some hesitation over moving it to Facebook. My concerns mostly focus around two issues 1. We would be moving our site from essentially one free social media corporation to another. Who's to say that we won't experience the same problems with Facebook five years down the road? I'm really concerned about losing our backlog of postings when moving away from Yahoo. Each time we move servers, we most likely lose our historical content. For a group like us, I viewthis as a large problem. Therefore, I think we should make sure that any potential forum is utilized for the long haul. I believe that keeping backlogs of our posts will be critical for the continuity our group. 2. With a group like Facebook, we don't actually own the content of our posts. If I'm not mistaken, Facebook will have the right to do anything with our content or our user group that they want. Although this would most likely never have any actual effect on us, I like to be in control of our content. We wrote it and we should have 100% control of it. You may be surprised regarding the crazy things that have happened in such a scenario to other users and groups. I can go into more detail on this if you'd like. Additionally, and this is just personal, but I'm not a Facebook fan. I havepolitical and McLuhan-esque problems with it. I would prefer not to join Facebook but will if needed. As it stands, I'm trying to be the last human being not on Facebook. I would love to see us setup a forum that we are in total control of. There's some free options but also some pay options. I'm happy to volunteer timeto do research or be an admin if necessary. I believe if we are deliberatein our move now it will alleviate a lot of issues down the road. I am also willing to pay money for a proper forum. I know such a forum willbe more time consuming and costly but I really believe it will be worth it. For me, the lack of search functionality and our lost posts are a gigantic issue on Yahoo. I also hate using Yahoo on a phone or tablet. I'm just hoping that our next web move will be for the long term and will alleviate theproblems that we face now. Just my two cents, David Luftig ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 13:29:41 -0500 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: ShoelessWes I like Anson's idea. Facebook would be a really hard sell for me. I know lots of people like it, but for folks like me, I'm not even allowed on it. Wes Shepard > On Feb 21, 2018, at 12:48 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I've steered clear of this conversation in the past just because there have been an abundance of ideas. But with it being opened up again, my own personal vote would be the creation of a forum like Net54. > I think the current setup of emails mostly works fine, but I personally could probably stand to see fewer messages. Between work, OBC, my personal email, and emails I receive as a result of freelance writing, I'm often up over 100 emails a day. That's even with the consolidation of the Thanks emails into one distribution per day. > A forum website would offer so much flexibility and it's really the best of both worlds. You can not only get notified of a new post via email but if you prefer, you simply go to the forum at your leisure. Topics are also kept a little more tidy. Don't want to read one of 30 posts on a 1972 Topps variation in a Ramblings forum? You simply avoid that thread. As it stands now, you're getting numerous emails on those sorts of things. > It would also be great to have everything at once, right in front of you rather than needing to jump from email thread to thread. I often delete emails or even if I haven't, I have to dig quite a bit to find an old email. That doesn't happen with the forum. Think someone was selling a 1957 Topps card you need a few months ago and need to see if they still have it? You simply go to the Dealer Scum forum and it's right there. > Heck, maybe the site even includes a forum for personal stuff like notes on family, friends, etc. Not that you can't do that in the Ramblings email as it currently stands but on a forum, it's even more appropriate. People can view that forum if they simply want to keep up with members. Even if it got put into a regular Ramblings forum, people still have the option of reading as much or as little as they want. > And think about this - each member would have a page with all of their information is readily available on their member page - a picture, wantlist links, mailing address, collecting goals, etc. And, if you want to share it,even personal information like birthdays, pets, names of family members, etc. Just a way to keep track of who's who. Like anything else, it could include as much or as little information as you want. If that scares you, put your name and wantlist and call it a day. Having all of that information onone single page would be great. > I can't speak to the time or financial resources to commit to something like that. But in a perfect world, a Net54-like forum would be my suggestion. Even if there's a cost to it, I think the benefit would far outweigh it. > Anson >> On Tue, Feb 20, 2018 at 5:16 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? >> I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. >> I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politicsand opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted opinions. >> You just do not accept friend requests. >> So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics and opinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post pictures which adds a lot to our messaging. >> I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong about that. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but the OBCAC could accomplish this. >> Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is the down side? >> Guru ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 16:53:25 -0500 Subject: RE: OBCAC Voting Member Ballot From: "Mark Holland" To date 48.6% of the OBC members have cast their OBCAC votes. We have 6 candidates within 6 votes so a runoff is a distinct possibility. Your vote definitely matters in this election. Would the 50%+ OBC members that have not voted please cast their ballots to ensure the will of the group is reflected in the outcome of the election? Absolutely no information will be shared prior to the close of the election so don't request updates / status of nominees or voting status. When the results are final I will share with the facilitator and with his concurrence post to the group. I hope that you understand and respect that. Here is the ballot (select any 7) Brian Betza Geordie Calvert Doug DeJong Wayne Delia Joe Denning Sal Domino Joel Freedman Spike Glidden Tom Housley Peter Mead Ken Morganti Mike Rich Mike Rumley-Wells Taylor Schock John Scott Gray Wes Shepard Mark Talbot Jimi Thayer Randy Welk Mac Wubben Matt Yudt ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 17:46:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Well this only took about 8 hours to make its way through the Yahoo servers -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 5:34 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I think we are all in agreement that Yahoo's performance has declined to the point that we need to consider alternatives. I am not at all convinced that the answer is Facebook for a host of different reasons--some already mentioned. I really only want to go on FB to see pictures of my two girls andwhatever they are getting into today; otherwise there is simply too much crap on FB. I believe Wayne and Joe I. have been reviewing alternatives including any offering from our current web host. If we move from Yahoo, we should also explore how we might save the archiveof messages. Don't know if there is anyway to export the years of emails from the various servers? My two cents--and remember to place your bids in the February Wauction.. (we already have a decent auction upcoming at the end of March as well). peter mead -----Original Message----- From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Cc: obc Ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 11:33 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I think another idea could be to create separate obc groups for ramblings, thanks, scum, ETC. then it would be easy to look at different sections.., otherwise it would all get jumble together. But I think it could work a lotbetter. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Feb 20, 2018, at 17:16, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. I got off Facebook several years ago as I grew tired of all the politics and opinions I did not want to read about. I returned to Facebook about a year ago and found the solution to avoid all the politics and unwanted opinions. You just do not accept friend requests. So you can just re-join Facebook and only follow the OBC Baseball Card Group. You will see some occasional advertising, but thats it! No politics andopinions. Just baseball cards. And it=E2=99s easy easy easy to post pictures which adds a lot to our messaging. I think Tom H or Aaron S owns the OBC Facebook Group. It think it would probably have to be adjusted to a members only page but I might be wrong aboutthat. But for security reasons I think it might be better private or members only. The OBCAC Rules of Contact would have to be re-written but the OBCAC could accomplish this. Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I am interested in comments as to why we shouldn=E2=99t drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook. What is thedown ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 14:49:06 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Post cards From: Rick For you old timers you'll know Jerry Hoover who always posted on our site to trade stuff. He is on net54 and offered up a 1962 topps stamp panel I needed but he only wanted post cards or 1965 ugly stickers which I've never heard of in trade. He said he remembered me so would send it to me for nothing. So would like to hit him back. Assuming no one has any ugly stickers solooking for anyone that has any post to swap but they have to be in nice shape for what's that worth. LMK what you have hopefully even a minor star in the mix and I'll try to work a deal with you. Thanks Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:17:43 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1975 Topps Minis From: jdelott@aol.com Can anyone confirm if the Topps 1975 Minis fit in the Ultra Pro 9-Pocket Mini Card Pages Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 15:24:00 -0800 To: Raymond Luurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: Geordie Calvert Damn, Ray. I know I=E2=99m not the only one that wishes you hadn=E2=99t said what you did. I=E2=99ve never been shy regarding my thoughts and feelings about our CiC, but openly saying what you did is way beyond what=E2=99s acceptable (imo), especially given the recent tragedy with thatparticular weapon. (to quote Mr. Gump, that=E2=99s all I=E2=99m going to say about that) I need to sit down tonight and compose some thoughts of my own. I owe several of you an explanation for my recent behavior (or lack thereof, as it were), and might have a few other things that are important enough (to me) to touch > On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who hadthe trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= To: Mark Holland Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:43:12 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did I Read this right? From: Patrick Wattigny ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:54:52 -0500 To: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: "Thomas W. Billing" I apologize as my question got him to reply this way. I hope to keep politics out of OBC as that is what Facebook is for. I do hope that philosophy of late to not give anyone a second chance does not come into play here. Anyone can say something he should not have said. I guess toppsaholic brings out the worst in us. Tom Billing > On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Damn, Ray. I know I=E2=99m not the only one that wishes you hadn=E2=99t said what you did. I=E2=99ve never been shy regarding my thoughts and feelings about our CiC, but openly saying what you did is way beyond what=E2=99s acceptable (imo), especially given the recent tragedy with thatparticular weapon. (to quote Mr. Gump, that=E2=99s all I=E2=99m going to say about that) > I need to sit down tonight and compose some thoughts of my own. I owe several of you an explanation for my recent behavior (or lack thereof, as it were), and might have a few other things that are important enough (to me) to touch on. > Geordie > On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who had the trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a livingbought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take mythought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= To: Mark Holland Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:57:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did I Read this right? From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:58:13 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: David Luciano Maybe part of the problem is your watching a biased tv show. Take that time and go out and do good for some people instead of being partof the problem. Volunteer. You will be surprised how much better you feel after volunteering for less fortunates than yourself, than being brainwashed by talking heads with skin in the game. You will be jealous of mentally challenged kids because they are happier than You will be amazed how appreciative homeless are with a pair of new socks. Get a mirror figure it out. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who hadthe trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= To: Mark Holland Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:58:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did I Read this right? From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: , Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:16:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1975 Topps Minis From: "Bob Donaldson" Yes they fit. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdelott@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 6:18 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1975 Topps Minis Can anyone confirm if the Topps 1975 Minis fit in the Ultra Pro 9-Pocket Mini Card Pages Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:35:47 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I Love Vintage Cards From: Jake Brewer In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups as opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election). I=E2=99m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by thegroup as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably haven=E2=99tbeen around long enough to know. 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president gets assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's politics. Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite hobby group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be beneficial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some of you for decades. I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought I=E2=99d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics across all OBC=E2=99s Membership. Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:44:39 -0500 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, davidluftig@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? From: rjsfgmv@aol.com I thought I would join in. I really do not want to be a part of facebook either. But, I do not know what the answer is. I am glad we have some internet smart people in the group. I am sure they will find a good answer. And thanks David for having me look up McLuhan-esque. I learned something today. So, I hope no facebook. Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: davidluftig Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 3:07 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Drop Yahoo Groups and move to Facebook? I don't know the answer I'll leave that up to the smart ones but I'm behindDavid in line cause I will never join Facebook. Rick Sent from my iPad On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:38 AM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hello friends, I would also love to move our forum off of Yahoo but have some hesitation over moving it to Facebook. My concerns mostly focus around two issues 1. We would be moving our site from essentially one free social media corporation to another. Who's to say that we won't experience the same problems with Facebook five years down the road? I'm really concerned about losing our backlog of postings when moving away from Yahoo. Each time we move servers, we most likely lose our historical conten t. For a group like us, I view this as a large problem. Therefore, I think we should make sure that any potential forum is utilized for the long haul. I believe that keeping backlogs of our posts will be critical for the continuity our group. 2. With a group like Facebook, we don't actually own the content of our posts. If I'm not mistaken, Facebook will have the right to do anything with our content or our user group that they want. Although this would most likely never have any actual effect on us, I like to be in control of our content. We wrote it and we should have 100% control of it. You may be surprised regarding the crazy things that have happened in such a scenario to other users and groups. I can go into more detail on this if you'd like. Additionally, and this is just personal, but I'm not a Facebook fan. I havepolitical and McLuhan-esque problems with it. I would prefer not to join Facebook but will if needed. As it stands, I'm trying to be the last human being not on Facebook. I would love to see us setup a forum that we are in total control of. There's some free options but also some pay options. I'm happy to volunteer timeto do research or be an admin if necessary. I believe if we are deliberatein our move now it will alleviate a lot of issues down the road. I am also willing to pay money for a proper forum. I know such a forum willbe more time consuming and costly but I really believe it will be worth it. For me, the lack of search functionality and our lost posts are a gigantic issue on Yahoo. I also hate using Yahoo on a phone or tablet. I'm just hoping that our next web move will be for the long term and will alleviate theproblems that we face now. Just my two cents, David Luftig ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Jake Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:48:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: Taylor Schock ... cause we all know that TRUE "vintage" cards are ONLY those made before WW II, right? *diving into the foxhole as the next grenade gets tossed* From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:35 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups as opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election).. I=92m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by the group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably haven=92t been around long enough to know. 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president gets assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's politics. Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite hobby group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be beneficial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some of you for decades. I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought I=92d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics across all OBC=92s Membership. Jake =93The Kid=94 Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:10:49 -0500 To: cetripler@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: rjsfgmv@aol.com That was a very cool rambling to read. Good for you and Best of luck to you. I hope you come back to us soon. Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Cc: Bartlett Tripler Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 3:57 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to be placed on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seemstrange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soon after joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professor of Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College in Massachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazing amount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I pickedup from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s putting Mantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His small shoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when he flew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing that job. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were pretty much all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dad still had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970sfrom his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...he bought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped him get through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was taking care of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist...5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now, it'sthe realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection.We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it is due to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspired byfolks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I havehad such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kidsthroughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science, professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man, learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazon jungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a yearand half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so, i'mopening a brewery. Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even a part-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I just don't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be of the appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I've been used to giving to OBC). So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE About the new adventure. I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking(good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner of Connecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the Great Falls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can look usup as Great Falls Brewing. As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, and alittle OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come and visit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, we will have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have set upa Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to make it successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested (especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter: Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life *) . I Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, and theheart of a community...Great Falls B... Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and I hope to see many of you in the future. Chris Tripler ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:16:08 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: An apology From: Raymond Luurs This will be my last mail to the group.....I apology to those people who think I overstepped my boundary.........it wasnt my intent but since that part wasnt even botheredto be read......I will say sorry and not bother the group again. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:18:39 -0500 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. From: "Thomas W. Billing" I suggest as a parting goodbye that you sand a case of your best beer to all members who love it. The brewery will be cool as micro brewing is HOT now in this county. We the people got bored with mass-produced generic beer and now seek out some good stuff. I played for a wedding reception a couple years back and bride and groom had their own stuff. I took a case home. I need more wedding receptions like this one. Well, off to the frog to grab a 13.25% beer and then curl up for a long Winter=E2=99s Nap. Tom Billing > On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:10 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Chris > That was a very cool rambling to read. Good for you and > Best of luck to you. > I hope you come back to us soon. > Randy Welk > -----Original Message----- > From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: OBC Ramblings > > Cc: Bartlett Tripler > > Sent: Wed, Feb 21, 2018 3:57 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New adventure leads to an OBC hiatus. > To all my brethren in OBC, I recently requested from the OBC board to be placed on the inactive list. I joined OBC in the fall of 2015, so it may seem strange that I would make a request to go on the inactive list so soon after joining. I am very fortunate to have an exceptional job as a professorof Biology, Environmental Science, and Statistics at Endicott College in Massachusetts. I say fortunate because it is a job that affords an amazing amount of free time and means to enjoy card collecting. It is a hobby I picked up from my father, who started as a child in the late 1950s/60s putting Mantle in the spokes of his bike (he is a die-hard Dodgers fan). His small shoe-box collection was absconded by one or more of his 5 brothers when he flew off to Vietnam to refuel C-130s, and getting shot at while doing that job. It's a funny thing about coming home from being away and realizing that things like your card collection and coin collection, which were pretty much all he had when he left, were so fleeting. But, despite the loss, dad still had the passion for cards, and so when he was laid off in the late 1970s from his manufacturing job, he did something that brought him joy...he bought some baseball cards, with his son and daughter in tow (mom was working). And that moment of buying a couple ten-cent (quarter?) packs helped himget through that trying time, but it also instilled a love of card collecting in me. To cut the story short, in the summer of 2012 when I was taking care of a new-born, I discovered cards again by just cruising Craigslist...5 years ago there were treasure troves of cards out there to find...now, it's the realm of professional buyers, at least around here. My dad and I have been avid collectors and we've made some amazing strides in the collection. We're quite proud of what we've accomplished, and a large part of it is due to the amazing two years we've had with OBC. OBC has been the perfect conduit to connect to other crazy collectors like ourselves. > The other part of this story is about who I am personally. I am inspired by folks like Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman and Theodore Roosevelt. I have had such great fortune to have the support of my parents and wife and kids throughout this zany life that has guided my existence which has included obtaining my scuba diving license, pilot's license, a Ph.D. in science, professional tree climbing certificate, zip-lining in Asia and Central America, mountain climbing, running two marathons, competing in a half-Iron Man,learning to ski and snowboard, led a group of students through the Amazon jungle, and an avid 20-year home-brewer. To get to my point, I decided a year and half ago, it was time to feed the desire for a new adventure...so, i'm opening a brewery. > Between finishing up my duties as a professor, the kids, and trying to set up the brewery...I decided I just didn't have the bandwidth to be even a part-time active member. The work is really starting to pile up, and I justdon't have what I feel is the necessary attention to OBC that would be of the appropriate respect level (or the level of energy and focus that I've been used to giving to OBC). So, I respectfully asked to be placed into INACTIVE > About the new adventure. > I don't have an MBA, but I do have a decent passion for making and drinking (good) beer. And so, I found a great location in the northwest corner ofConnecticut in a newly renovated train Depot (see picture below), North Canaan, Connecticut precisely. I set up the Great Falls Brewing Company in 2016, and I have since brought on some people with business and marketing experience to make sure it is successful. If you're on facebook, you can look us up as Great Falls Brewing. > As I told the OBC board, I have plans to add baseball added elements, anda little OBC shout-out as well. I'm happy to have any OBC members come andvisit. We will have guest food service and by the summer of next year, we will have a fully functional brew pub with burgers and steaks. We are in those very early days when companyies are most vulnerable, and so I have set up a Kickstarter campaign, to ensure we have the elements necessary to makeit successful (plus some excellent swag to pick up). If you're interested (especially if you're local), we'd love the help (kickstarter: Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * ) . I > Great Falls Brewing Company * Community =E2=A2 Beer =E2=A2 Life * > Help the revival of an old railroad depot, a working American town, and the heart of a community...Great Falls B... > > Thank you for your RAOK's and well-wishes. I'll be back some day, and I hope to see many of you in the future. > Cheers, > Chris Tripler ================= To: "'Jake Brewer'" , Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:22:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: "Mark Holland" Very well said Kid. I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solutioncan be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I wouldlike to see group involvement in considering the options. The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person=E2=99s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood why such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts based on past observations. To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need ethics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest started last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along the way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of =E294 Score FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inner circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defendme. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling server and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I don=E2=99t tolerate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse asituation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesn=E2=99t say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that =E2=9Clook like =E2=9966 Topps=E2=9D. Nor do they have a problem looking the other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an =E2=9Cus & them=E2=9D situation in the group now more than any time in my 14 years in the group. That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you don=E2=99t like it,vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the incumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people haven=E2=99t voted. We shouldn=E2=99t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions.And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking their mind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those that commit heinous crimes. Have we opened Pandora=E2=99s box? What doessomeone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cardsyou have shared in the past? So let=E2=99s follow =E2=9CThe Kids=E2=9D wisdom and get back to what we do best, share cards. And let=E2=99s insist that the AC act on the situations that require action and if they don=E2=99t then vote for anew AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly about the =E2=9Cswamp=E2=9D that we have created in OBC today. If you don=E2=99t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect mine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have allowed it to happen. I remember one managers that I worked for once said =E2=9Cyou are part of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decide=E2=9D. I always try t choose to be part of the solution. Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups as opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election).. I=E2=99m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by the group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably haven=E2=99t been around long enough to know. 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president gets assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's politics. Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite hobby group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be beneficial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some of you for decades. I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought I=E2=99d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics across all OBC=E2=99s Membership. Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 19:23:46 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: To whom it may concern From: Raymond Luurs Since it been brought to my attention that im a pariah please take me off the OBC rolls and everyone will be happy ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 18:06:32 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Post cards From: Rick For you old timers you'll know Jerry Hoover who always posted on our site to trade stuff. He is on net54 and offered up a 1962 topps stamp panel I needed but he only wanted post cards or 1965 ugly stickers which I've never heard of in trade. He said he remembered me so would send it to me for nothing. So would like to hit him back. Assuming no one has any ugly stickers solooking for anyone that has any post to swap but they have to be in nice shape for what's that worth. LMK what you have hopefully even a minor star in the mix and I'll try to work a deal with you. Thanks Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:25:08 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970 Topps Waiver From: jdelott@aol.com 11, 17, 30, 41, 135, 173, 259, 266, 269, 274, 283, 288, 291, 295 Include your address please Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 20:25:20 -0600 To: "'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: OBC Nick P Very well said mark! Very well said kid! OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=E2=99t reallyhave either. We=E2=99ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. We=E2=99ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. The elections are off and running. We don=E2=99t really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based on whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don=E2=99t make a leader. Find out who you=E2=99re voting for. Make sure they don=E2=99t stillbelieve the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=E2=99s over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be partof the solution, be part of the problem. Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? Nick Pelletier > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said Kid.2020 > 20 > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solution > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I would > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 > 20 > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas > ed on past observations.20 > 20 > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We neede > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest st > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along th > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defend > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling s > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099t > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffusea > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that E2809Cl > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem looking th > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now more than any time i > n my 14 years in the group.2020 > 20 > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099t like > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions. > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking theirm > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those th > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards > you have shared in the past? > 20 > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back to w > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the AC act on t > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t then vote for a > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBCtoday. If yo > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have al > lowed it to happen. > 20 > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyou are > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D.I > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > Mark Holland20 > 20 > 20 > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > 20 > 2020 > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groupsa > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election) > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by th > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably havenE28099 > t been around long enough to know. > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president get > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's po > litics. C'mon. > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite hob > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be benef > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > of you for decades. > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought IE28099 > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics ac > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:48:15 -0500 To: OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: Anson Whaley I'll say this, piggybacking on what Nick said. I'm one of the ne'er-do-wells that have not voted yet. That's not really because I'm a slacker. But I legitimately have no idea who to vote for other than simply choosing people the few people on the list that I regularly correspond with. I'd have to check the list again but I don't even think I know most of the people on it. I'm not all that qualified to vote because how can I vote for/against people I don't know anything about? I can vote, but how helpful is that, really, if it's not informed at all? This isn't as serious as running for political office or anything. I get that. But I'd be all for a future vote that, if nothing more, included a paragraph or something from each candidate about why they want your vote, their qualifications, etc. On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:25 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said mark! > Very well said kid! > OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=E2=99t really > either. We=E2=99ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists > than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. > We=E2=99ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. > The elections are off and running. We don=E2=99t really know anything about > is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based on > whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These > qualities don=E2=99t make a leader. > Find out who you=E2=99re voting for. Make sure they don=E2=99t still believe the > earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. > Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=E2=99s > over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the > solution, be part of the problem. > Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > > > Very well said Kid.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term > solution > > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I > would > > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the > person > > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood > why > > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do > that, > > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts > bas > > ed on past observations.20 > > > > 20 > > > > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need > e > > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest > st > > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along > th > > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 > Sco > > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the > inne > > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to > defend > > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling > s > > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099t > toler > > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse > a > > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t > > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that > E2809Cl > > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem > th > > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now morethan > time i > > n my 14 years in the group.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099tlike > it, > > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the > in > > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. > > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all > decisions. > > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking > their m > > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those > th > > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What > does > > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many > cards > > you have shared in the past? > > > > 20 > > > > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back > to w > > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the ACact > t > > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t then vote > for a > > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBC today. If > yo > > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect > m > > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have > al > > lowed it to happen. > > > > 20 > > > > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyou are > part > > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D. > alw > > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > > > > Mark Holland20 > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > > > > 20 > > > > 2020 > > > > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > > > > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > > > > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google > Groups a > > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I > dont > > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC > election) > > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usuallymade > by th > > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably > havenE28099 > > t been around long enough to know. > > > > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president > get > > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's > po > > litics. C'mon. > > > > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > > > > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite > hob > > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the > future, > > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be > benef > > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for > some > > of you for decades. > > > > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought > IE28099 > > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics > ac > > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. > > > > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:56:10 -0500 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: Jake Brewer Well said Anson, I can totally agree with that. That=E2=99s why I only voted for the couple of guys I actually know and believe would do a good job. I dont actually even know anything about 7 guys in the group- and I=E2=99ve been in over a year. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'll say this, piggybacking on what Nick said.. I'm one of the ne'er-do-wells that have not voted yet. That's not really because I'm a slacker. But I legitimately have no idea who to vote for other than simply choosing people the few people on the list that I regularly correspond with. I'd have tocheck the list again but I don't even think I know most of the people on it. I'm not all that qualified to vote because how can I vote for/against people I don't know anything about? I can vote, but how helpful is that, really, if it's not informed at all? > This isn't as serious as running for political office or anything. I get that. But I'd be all for a future vote that, if nothing more, included a paragraph or something from each candidate about why they want your vote, their qualifications, etc. > Anson >> On Wed, Feb 21, 2018 at 9:25 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Very well said mark! >> Very well said kid! >> OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=E2=99t really have either. We=E2=99ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. >> We=E2=99ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. >> The elections are off and running. We don=E2=99t really know anythingabout who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decidebased on whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don=E2=99t make a leader. >> Find out who you=E2=99re voting for. Make sure they don=E2=99t still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. >> Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=E2=99s over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the solution, be part of the problem. >> Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? >> Nick Pelletier >> Nachobcards@yahoo.com >> > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> > >> > Very well said Kid.2020 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solution >> > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action >> > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I would >> > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person >> > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood >> > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, >> > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas >> > ed on past observations.20 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need >> > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest >> > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along >> > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 >> > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne >> > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defend >> > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling >> > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099t >> > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse >> > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t >> > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that E2809Cl >> > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem looking th >> > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an >> > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now more than any time i >> > n my 14 years in the group.2020 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099t like it, >> > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for thein >> > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. >> > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions. >> > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand >> > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking their >> > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those >> > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What >> > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards >> > you have shared in the past? >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back to w >> > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the AC act on t >> > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t thenvote for a >> > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly >> > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBC today. If yo >> > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But pleaserespect >> > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have >> > lowed it to happen. >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyouare >> > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D. I alw >> > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. >> > >> > Mark Holland20 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] >> > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM >> > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards >> > >> > 20 >> > >> > 2020 >> > >> > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: >> > >> > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. >> > >> > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups >> > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont >> > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election) >> > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by th >> > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably havenE28099 >> > t been around long enough to know. >> > >> > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president >> > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's >> > litics. C'mon. >> > >> > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. >> > >> > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite >> > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, >> > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be benef >> > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some >> > of you for decades. >> > >> > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought IE28099 >> > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics >> > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. >> > >> > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> > >> > ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:59:58 -0500 To: Raymond Luurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: David Luciano Maybe part of the problem is your watching a biased tv show. Take that time and go out and do good for some people instead of being partof the problem. Volunteer. You will be surprised how much better you feel after volunteering for less fortunates than yourself, than being brainwashed by talking heads with skin in the game. You will be jealous of mentally challenged kids because they are happier than You will be amazed how appreciative homeless are with a pair of new socks. Get a mirror figure it out. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 On Feb 20, 2018, at 11:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who hadthe trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:07:59 -0500 To: OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: David Luciano oh man I didn=92t get caught up fast enough. This is nothing like 20 years ago and Facebook isn=92t in my future either. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:25 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said mark! > Very well said kid! > OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=92t really haveeither. We=92ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. > We=92ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. > The elections are off and running. We don=92t really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based on whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don=92t make a leader. > Find out who you=92re voting for. Make sure they don=92t still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. > Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=92sover. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the solution, be part of the problem. > Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > > > Very well said Kid.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solution > > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I would > > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person > > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood > > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas > > ed on past observations.20 > > > > 20 > > > > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need > > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interestst > > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Alongth > > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 > > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne > > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defend > > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the ramblings > > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099t > > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse > > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t > > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that E2809Cl > > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem looking th > > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now morethan any time i > > n my 14 years in the group.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099tlike > > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in > > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. > > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions. > > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking their > > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those > > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What > > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards > > you have shared in the past? > > > > 20 > > > > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back to w > > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the ACact on t > > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t then vote for a > > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBC today. If yo > > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect > > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have > > lowed it to happen. > > > > 20 > > > > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyou are > > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D. I alw > > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > > > > Mark Holland20 > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > > > > 20 > > > > 2020 > > > > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > > > > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > > > > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups > > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election) > > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usuallymade by th > > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably havenE28099 > > t been around long enough to know. > > > > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our presidentget > > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's > > litics. C'mon. > > > > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > > > > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favoritehob > > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be benef > > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > > of you for decades. > > > > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought IE28099 > > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics > > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. > > > > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 22:11:04 -0500 To: Raymond Luurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To whom it may concern From: "Thomas W. Billing" Not everyone as I do not want to see you go. Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Since it been brought to my attention that im a pariah please take me offthe OBC rolls and everyone will be happy ================= To: OBC Nick P Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 03:16:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: Aaron Shirley I don't know what you're talking about Nick. I've got PLENTY of camaraderiein this group. I know not everyone loves me, maybe because I come up with some wild ideas and suggest experimentation more than status quo. But thereare a lot of guys I consider good friends in this group. Heck, one of my best friends in the world is in this group. His name is Mike Rumley-Wells. If you can't find camaraderie here, then as they say, "you're doing it wrong." And Nick, we're all VERY aware you don't like the current Advisory Committee. But the comments about the "swamp" (and ahem, yours was not the first, ahem) are inappropriate. As I said earlier this evening, the AC is a group of volunteers. They did their best to handle some terribly difficult situations in a very professional manner, with MUCH thought, with MUCH discussion,with MUCH concern for the good of the group. You don't like the way they led? Don't vote for them. But I'm tired of hearing slams against them. Aaron Shirley From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:25 PM To: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: Jake Brewer; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards Very well said mark! Very well said kid! OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=92t really have either. We=92ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. We=92ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. The elections are off and running. We don=92t really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based onwhose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don=92t make a leader. Find out who you=92re voting for. Make sure they don=92t still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=92s over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the solution, be part of the problem. Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? Nick Pelletier > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said Kid.2020 > 20 > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solution > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I would > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 > 20 > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas > ed on past observations.20 > 20 > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need e > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest st > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along th > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defend > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling s > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099ttoler > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse a > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that E2809Cl > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem looking th > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now more than any time i > n my 14 years in the group.2020 > 20 > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099t like > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions. > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking theirm > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those th > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards > you have shared in the past? > 20 > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back to w > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the AC act on t > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t then vote for a > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBCtoday. If yo > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have al > lowed it to happen. > 20 > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyou are > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D.I > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > Mark Holland20 > 20 > 20 > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > 20 > 2020 > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groupsa > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election) > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by th > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably havenE28099 > t been around long enough to know. > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president get > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's po > litics. C'mon. > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite hob > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be benef > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > of you for decades. > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought IE28099 > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics ac > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" , Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:02:53 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: "Mark Holland" This is so childish, it was me that said clean the swamp before Nick. Let's not do the "ahem" crap. And Aaron, who are you to say that our opinion is inappropriate? Would you like it if I stated that your opinion is inappropriate about a decision that you made regarding membership last year? I choose to no longer put up with the drama by the current regime of OBC and have told the current facilitator Joe Isaac that I am leaving the group. If needed I will finish the election but I have asked that Joe finish it for me so that I can leave now. I guess if we don't like the current AC then we are seen as the problem. I prefer to be part of the solution and not part of the problem but I cannot support the AC. They may be trying their best but they clearly have different values that I do. Our group lacks morals. Personally I think CLEANING THE SWAMP is very appropriate and I voted accordingly. But I didn't tell anyone that their opinion was inappropriate if they disagreed with me. Egos have taken over. And I don't like boisterous people sending out emails picking on people that I choose to befriend in the group with BS innuendos thrown toward me. Ahem, I'm gone! Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:17 PM To: OBC Nick P Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards I don't know what you're talking about Nick. I've got PLENTY of camaraderie in this group. I know not everyone loves me, maybe because I come up with some wild ideas and suggest experimentation more than status quo. But there are a lot of guys I consider good friends in this group. Heck, one of my best friends in the world is in this group. His name is Mike Rumley-Wells. If you can't find camaraderie here, then as they say, "you're doing it And Nick, we're all VERY aware you don't like the current Advisory Committee. But the comments about the "swamp" (and ahem, yours was not the first, ahem) are inappropriate. As I said earlier this evening, the AC is a group of volunteers. They did their best to handle some terribly difficult situations in a very professional manner, with MUCH thought, with MUCH discussion, with MUCH concern for the good of the group. You don't like the way they led? Don't vote for them. But I'm tired of hearing slams against Aaron Shirley From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:25 PM To: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: Jake Brewer; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards Very well said mark! Very well said kid! OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don't really have either. We've got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. We've got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. The elections are off and running. We don't really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based on whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don't make a leader. Find out who you're voting for. Make sure they don't still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It's over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the solution, be part of the problem. Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? Nick Pelletier > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said Kid. > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I like to see group involvement in considering the options. > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the =E2=99s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood why > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas> ed on past observations. > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of =E294 re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne> r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling s> erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I don=E2=99t toler> ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesn=E2=99t > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that ook like =E2=9966 Topps=E2=9D. Nor do they have a problem looking e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > =E2=9Cus & them=E2=9D situation in the group now more than any time n my 14 years in the group. > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you don=E2=99t like vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in> cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people haven=E2=99t voted. > We shouldn=E2=99t have inner circles that are the hub of all And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking their ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened Pandora=E2=99s box? What does> someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards> you have shared in the past? > So let=E2=99s follow =E2=9CThe Kids=E2=9D wisdom and get back to hat we do best, share cards. And let=E2=99s insist that the AC act on he situations that require action and if they don=E2=99t then vote for new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > about the =E2=9Cswamp=E2=9D that we have created in OBC today. If u don=E2=99t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have lowed it to happen. > I remember one managers that I worked for once said =E2=9Cyou are part > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decide=E2=9D. I alw> ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > Mark Holland > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC ... I=E2=99m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably t been around long enough to know. > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's litics. C'mon. > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > of you for decades. > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics ross all OBC=E2=99s Membership. > Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: 'Aaron Shirley' , 'OBC Nick P' Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 04:06:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: JAY TYSVER Take it to private emails please. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:02 PM To: 'Aaron Shirley'; 'OBC Nick P' Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards This is so childish, it was me that said clean the swamp before Nick. Let=92s not do the =93ahem=94 crap. And Aaron, who are you to say that our opinion is inappropriate? Would you like it if I stated that your opinion isinappropriate about a decision that you made regarding membership last year? I choose to no longer put up with the drama by the current regime of OBC and have told the current facilitator Joe Isaac that I am leaving the group. If needed I will finish the election but I have asked that Joe finish it for me so that I can leave now. I guess if we don=92t like the current AC then we are seen as the problem. I prefer to be part of the solution and not part of the problem but I cannot support the AC. They may be trying their best but they clearly have different values that I do. Our group lacks morals. Personally I think CLEANINGTHE SWAMP is very appropriate and I voted accordingly. But I didn=92t tellanyone that their opinion was inappropriate if they disagreed with me. Egos have taken over. And I don=92t like boisterous people sending out emails picking on people that I choose to befriend in the group with BS innuendos thrown toward me. Ahem, I=92m gone! Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:17 PM To: OBC Nick P Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards I don't know what you're talking about Nick. I've got PLENTY of camaraderiein this group. I know not everyone loves me, maybe because I come up with some wild ideas and suggest experimentation more than status quo. But thereare a lot of guys I consider good friends in this group. Heck, one of my best friends in the world is in this group. His name is Mike Rumley-Wells. If you can't find camaraderie here, then as they say, "you're doing it wrong." And Nick, we're all VERY aware you don't like the current Advisory Committee. But the comments about the "swamp" (and ahem, yours was not the first, ahem) are inappropriate. As I said earlier this evening, the AC is a group of volunteers. They did their best to handle some terribly difficult situations in a very professional manner, with MUCH thought, with MUCH discussion,with MUCH concern for the good of the group. You don't like the way they led? Don't vote for them. But I'm tired of hearing slams against them. Aaron Shirley From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:25 PM To: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: Jake Brewer; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards Very well said mark! Very well said kid! OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=92t really have either. We=92ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. We=92ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. The elections are off and running. We don=92t really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based onwhose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don=92t make a leader. Find out who you=92re voting for. Make sure they don=92t still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=92s over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the solution, be part of the problem. Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? Nick Pelletier > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said Kid.2020 > 20 > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solution > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I would > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 > 20 > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas > ed on past observations.20 > 20 > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need e > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest st > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along th > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defend > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling s > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099ttoler > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse a > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that E2809Cl > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem looking th > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now more than any time i > n my 14 years in the group.2020 > 20 > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099t like > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions. > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking theirm > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those th > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards > you have shared in the past? > 20 > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back to w > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the AC act on t > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t then vote for a > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBCtoday. If yo > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have al > lowed it to happen. > 20 > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyou are > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D.I > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > Mark Holland20 > 20 > 20 > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > 20 > 2020 > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groupsa > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election) > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by th > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably havenE28099 > t been around long enough to know. > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president get > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's po > litics. C'mon. > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite hob > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be benef > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > of you for decades. > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought IE28099 > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics ac > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 23:23:31 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: Jake Brewer I just want to say for the record I didn=E2=99t say I disliked anyone, or accuse anyone of being a problem. Just that I want OBC to progress, and go back to being about baseball cards. Instead, my post has instilled exactly the opposite of its intention. My bad if anyone took it the wrong way. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2018, at 11:06 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Take it to private emails please.. > Jay Tysver > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:02 PM > To: 'Aaron Shirley'; 'OBC Nick P' > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > This is so childish, it was me that said clean the swamp before Nick. Let=E2=99s not do the =E2=9Cahem=E2=9D crap. And Aaron, who are youto say that our opinion is inappropriate? Would you like it if I stated that your opinion is inappropriate about a decision that you made regarding membership last year? I choose to no longer put up with the drama by the current regime of OBC and have told the current facilitator Joe Isaac that Iam leaving the group. If needed I will finish the election but I have asked that Joe finish it for me so that I can leave now. > I guess if we don=E2=99t like the current AC then we are seen as the problem. I prefer to be part of the solution and not part of the problem butI cannot support the AC. They may be trying their best but they clearly have different values that I do. Our group lacks morals. Personally I think CLEANING THE SWAMP is very appropriate and I voted accordingly. But I didn=E2=99t tell anyone that their opinion was inappropriate if they disagreed with me. Egos have taken over. And I don=E2=99t like boisterous people sending out emails picking on people that I choose to befriend in the group with BS innuendos thrown toward me. > Ahem, I=E2=99m gone! > Mark Holland > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:17 PM > To: OBC Nick P > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > I don't know what you're talking about Nick. I've got PLENTY of camaraderie in this group. I know not everyone loves me, maybe because I come up with some wild ideas and suggest experimentation more than status quo. But there are a lot of guys I consider good friends in this group. Heck, one of mybest friends in the world is in this group. His name is Mike Rumley-Wells.If you can't find camaraderie here, then as they say, "you're doing it wrong." > And Nick, we're all VERY aware you don't like the current Advisory Committee. But the comments about the "swamp" (and ahem, yours was not the first,ahem) are inappropriate. As I said earlier this evening, the AC is a group of volunteers. They did their best to handle some terribly difficult situations in a very professional manner, with MUCH thought, with MUCH discussion, with MUCH concern for the good of the group. You don't like the way they led? Don't vote for them. But I'm tired of hearing slams against them. > Aaron Shirley > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:25 PM > To: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Cc: Jake Brewer; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > Very well said mark! > Very well said kid! > OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don=E2=99t really have either. We=E2=99ve got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. > We=E2=99ve got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. > The elections are off and running. We don=E2=99t really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based on whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. Thesequalities don=E2=99t make a leader. > Find out who you=E2=99re voting for. Make sure they don=E2=99t still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. > Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It=E2=99s over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of thesolution, be part of the problem. > Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > > > Very well said Kid.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term solution > > can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I would > > like to see group involvement in considering the options.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the person > > E28099s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood > > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas > > ed on past observations.20 > > > > 20 > > > > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need > > thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interestst > > arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Alongth > > e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of E2809894 > > re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne > > r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to defend > > me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the ramblings > > erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I donE28099t > > ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse > > situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesnE28099t > > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that E2809Cl > > ook like E2809966 ToppsE2809D. Nor do they have a problem looking th > > e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > > E2809Cus & themE2809D situation in the group now morethan any time i > > n my 14 years in the group.2020 > > > > 20 > > > > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you donE28099tlike > > vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in > > cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people havenE28099t voted. > > We shouldnE28099t have inner circles that are the hub of all decisions. > > And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking their > > ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those > > at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened PandoraE28099s box? What > > someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards > > you have shared in the past? > > > > 20 > > > > So letE28099s follow E2809CThe KidsE2809D wisdom and get back to w > > hat we do best, share cards. And letE28099s insist that the ACact on t > > he situations that require action and if they donE28099t then vote for a > > new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > > about the E2809CswampE2809D that we have created in OBC today. If yo > > u donE28099t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect > > ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have > > lowed it to happen. > > > > 20 > > > > I remember one managers that I worked for once said E2809Cyou are > > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decideE2809D. I alw > > ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > > > > Mark Holland20 > > > > 20 > > > > 20 > > > > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > > > > 20 > > > > 2020 > > > > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > > > > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > > > > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups > > s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC election) > > ... IE28099m not sure if a major decision like that is usuallymade by th > > e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably havenE28099 > > t been around long enough to know. > > > > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our presidentget > > s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's > > litics. C'mon. > > > > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > > > > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favoritehob > > by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be benef > > icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > > of you for decades. > > > > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought IE28099 > > d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics > > ross all OBCE28099s Membership. > > > > Jake E2809CThe KidE2809D Brewer > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 04:24:28 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC From: "carlwoodrome@yahoo.com" I know I am a new obc member and don't know I lot of you personally but would like to say this is a great group of guys! I love being part of this group! Let's put this behind us and continue to be a great group of guys enjoying this wonderful Hobby! Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= To: "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 05:13:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To whom it may concern From: Tim newcomb ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2018 21:17:21 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sunoco NFL Wallet with stamps From: Rick I sent this out back when we were having a problem with emails disappearinggot no response so thought I would send it again. Anyone have a list? If no one does sorry for reposting Rick PS I'm keeping the wallet! For you Sunoco stamp collectors found this on eBay. Every trader needs a wallet, right? Going thru the stamps now so anyone that has a list send it tome I'll have a few dupes. Rick Look at this on eBay Sunoco NFL Wallet with stamps Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:44:43 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC From: Ken M I'm on vacation this week, so plenty of time right now even though it's after midnight. A couple points have been made recently about who we should elect for the next OBCAC. The Rules of Conduct say there's no campaigning allowed on any of the servers. So how are we supposed to know who to vote for? I'll tell you: I don't know. We could ask all the candidates to answer a series of questions, but what sort of issues should we ask questions about? Do you think the UV line should be moved up to thirty years ago and increase by one each year? Should Pete Rose be in the HOF? Should variation collectors be given psychiatric evaluations? I've been on a number of AC's during my membership. 99% of the time, the process is routine and mundane. Do you think this person is a good fit or not? It's very rare when a vote isn't unanimous. Our main goal has always been to make the decisions while the rest of the group merrily tosses cardboard around. I honestly feel more people have left the group when they felt it was more of a continuation of their everyday problems instead of an escape from them and NOT because of some decision the AC made. I always have a hard time voting because all the candidates are good people that I wouldn't mind on the AC. I can't vote along party lines because we're all one big extended family.   The beauty of this group is participation at your own level. No one is mandating you to send out x number of cards every month. Most don't care if you send out anything at all, but rather just be thankful for what you get. Is that so difficult? You aren't forced to deal with anyone you don't want to. Don't like someone because they root for another team? Or live in a city that starts with H? Or doesn't pronounce his R's? You don't have to! OBC has always been about common sense and common courtesy. Treat others how you'd like to be treated. Despite some talk about the contrary, I don't the group has lost that. Have a good night all. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= To: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 00:56:48 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards From: "Sal Domino" Aaron I appreciate the kind words about the year we have spent together with the AC. I do respect the opinions of everyone here, but I have to say I am totally disappointed at what seems to be a personal attack on the AC. During the past year, we have dealt with some issues that we have never had to deal with before. Our goal as the AC is to do the best we can for the membership of OBC, this is why we and every other board is elected. Most of us have worked through the entire year sorting out some of the toughest and sometimes the most outrageous issues OBC has ever faced. Some of us continued to work professionally to secure viable solutions to some of our problems. From what I see, there are people who would rather see the dissolution of the AC. This will never happen. Many of us saw what a lack of order was like and it was extreme chaos. Such chaos, that we almost didn't make it to year 7. To know where you are going, you have to know where you have been. During the year, the board has had many "deep" and "spirited" discussions about various items on our agenda. From time to time we got sidetracked from our missions when a monkey wrench got caught in our spokes. Throughout this year, we have done our very best to stay on point and sort out what was needed. As this AC's term winds down, I am pretty sure we got to everything that was asked of us to deal with. Yes, we are volunteers, but we wouldn't have volunteered unless we cared deeply about this group and its members. Remember, we are a bunch of guys who collect pictures of men on cardboard. I totally agree that everyone should try to be part of the solution instead of part of the problem. Voting is extremely important. I will bring up the past 20 years, because without those 20 years of AC's, OBC would not be the first and best online baseball card collector group in history. It's not just about voting. As with anything we deal with, you can illicit change by your votes, and also by running for the AC. We all have the same This has been a trying year for sure for the present board. Despite some of the "crap" we have had to deal with, I am proud of our work this year in the face of many adversities. We did not shy away from any issue. We took it head on. Some may not agree with our voted solutions, but I would doubt you would ever get 100% agreement on any issue of 130+ members. The key is to maintain professionalism and worthy debate. At the end of the day, those of us on opposite sides of the aisle will give handshakes at the National and send ROAKs to those who can't make it. We will hoist a beer together and show each other the "finds" we got via email or in person and act like little kids at Christmas. That is the magic of OBC. Thanks for reading. I will implore you to vote and mainly to "vote YOUR Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:17 PM To: OBC Nick P Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards I don't know what you're talking about Nick. I've got PLENTY of camaraderie in this group. I know not everyone loves me, maybe because I come up with some wild ideas and suggest experimentation more than status quo. But there are a lot of guys I consider good friends in this group. Heck, one of my best friends in the world is in this group. His name is Mike Rumley-Wells. If you can't find camaraderie here, then as they say, "you're doing it And Nick, we're all VERY aware you don't like the current Advisory Committee. But the comments about the "swamp" (and ahem, yours was not the first, ahem) are inappropriate. As I said earlier this evening, the AC is a group of volunteers. They did their best to handle some terribly difficult situations in a very professional manner, with MUCH thought, with MUCH discussion, with MUCH concern for the good of the group. You don't like the way they led? Don't vote for them. But I'm tired of hearing slams against Aaron Shirley From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 8:25 PM To: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: Jake Brewer; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards Very well said mark! Very well said kid! OBC is supposed to be about cards and camaraderie. We don't really have either. We've got leadership more concerned about hits to their wantlists than having a group about cards AND camaraderie. We've got members so concerned about dates than just an raok. The elections are off and running. We don't really know anything about who is running and what they plan to bring to leading OBC. We decide based on whose name is in our mailbox or whose ramble made us giggle. These qualities don't make a leader. Find out who you're voting for. Make sure they don't still believe the earth is flat. Vote for an AC willing to lead and not just fill the swamp. Step up. VOTE! Put OBC back on the track. 1997 ended 20 years ago. It's over. Gone. Never coming back. The world is in 2018. Be part of the solution, be part of the problem. Situations like today can be prevented. Do you want to see this again? Nick Pelletier > On Feb 21, 2018, at 7:22 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Very well said Kid. > I think the move from Yahoo to Google is interim until a long term can be found. Yahoo is crumbling around us and requires immediate action > making it impossible to get the Cadillac system now. Going forward I like to see group involvement in considering the options. > The political issue should be addressed immediately by removing the =E2=99s ability to post to the servers until it is fully understood why > such comments were made. I know that a moderator is available to do that, > whether or not anyone will do so remains to be seen. I have my doubts bas> ed on past observations. > To get back to the OBC that we loved, we need change at the top. We need thics and morals that are currently lacking. My decline in OBC interest arted last year when I created a ramble about cleaning my closet. Along e way in the ramble, I offered anybody interested a set of =E294 re FB for free if they wanted it. And I was lambasted by some of the inne> r circle and the facilitator on the public server and no one came to me. I created a major uproar because I offered UV cards on the rambling s> erver and nobody backed me up. It was demoralizing. I don=E2=99t toler> ate bullying and ranting and raving like that. Leadership should diffuse situation, not antagonize it. Yet that same inner circle doesn=E2=99t > say a thing when one of their own says thanks for the cards that ook like =E2=9966 Topps=E2=9D. Nor do they have a problem looking e other way when moral lines are clearly crossed. We definitely have an > =E2=9Cus & them=E2=9D situation in the group now more than any time n my 14 years in the group. > That is why we vote for a new AC every year. If you don=E2=99t like vote for change. If you want more like the past year then vote for the in> cumbents. But just VOTE! Over 50% of the people haven=E2=99t voted. > We shouldn=E2=99t have inner circles that are the hub of all And I should not be getting notes asking who voted for who. On one hand > we have people trying to banish members from the group for speaking their ind. Yet on the other hand we create special membership status for those at commit heinous crimes. Have we opened Pandora=E2=99s box? What does> someone need to do to be banished from OBC? Is it based on how many cards> you have shared in the past? > So let=E2=99s follow =E2=9CThe Kids=E2=9D wisdom and get back to hat we do best, share cards. And let=E2=99s insist that the AC act on he situations that require action and if they don=E2=99t then vote for new AC. The choice is ours. This is my opinion and I feel very strongly > about the =E2=9Cswamp=E2=9D that we have created in OBC today. If u don=E2=99t agree with me, I respect your choice. But please respect ine because I think that we are broken and the current powers to be have lowed it to happen. > I remember one managers that I worked for once said =E2=9Cyou are part > of the problem or part of the solution, you get to decide=E2=9D. I alw> ays try t choose to be part of the solution. > Mark Holland > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 7:36 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I Love Vintage Cards > In 24 Hours in OBC we have had: > 1. Lots of complaints about Yahoo Groups- as there should be. > 2. A decision was made by someone to make a LATERAL move to Google Groups s opposed to taking a step forward to a Net54-esque forum page that I dont > believe was voted on by the group. (during the middle of an OBCAC ... I=E2=99m not sure if a major decision like that is usually made by e group as a whole, or the elected OBCAC does it- I probably t been around long enough to know. > 3. We had some guy make political claims about him hoping our president s assassinated. This is a vintage card group, not a soapbox for anyone's litics. C'mon. > Sounds like a crisis to me in OBC. Sad. > I just want to get back to sending baseball cards around to my favorite by group, and hopefully take a step into the present (not even the future, > I do mean present- OBC is behind in terms of technology that would be icial) to ensure that OBC is around as long for me as it has been for some > of you for decades. > I have zero power to make any decisions whatsoever, just thought d throw in my thoughts in case anyone is getting a feel for these topics ross all OBC=E2=99s Membership. > Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 07:29:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970 Waiver part 2 From: jdelott@aol.com 309, 322, 358, 359, 361, 365, 382, 390, 397, 408, 413, 414, 415, 421, 430, 433 Please provide addresses Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:48:14 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: Yahoo Tom I agree I did not want him to leave. I would have liked for him to senda new message and try to except explain in more detail what exactly he wastrying to say. There have been time I have sent a text or message and whatI was saying was not conveyed the right way. Everyone of us have said something that we probably should have not said at one point in our lives. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 2018, at 18:54, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I apologize as my question got him to reply this way. I hope to keep politics out of OBC as that is what Facebook is for. I do hope that philosophy of late to not give anyone a second chance does not come into play here. Anyone can say something he should not have said. I guess toppsaholic brings out the worst in us. > Tom Billing >> On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Damn, Ray. I know I=E2=99m not the only one that wishes you hadn=E2=99t said what you did. I=E2=99ve never been shy regarding my thoughts and feelings about our CiC, but openly saying what you did is way beyond what=E2=99s acceptable (imo), especially given the recent tragedy with that particular weapon. (to quote Mr. Gump, that=E2=99s all I=E2=99m going to say about that) >> I need to sit down tonight and compose some thoughts of my own. I owe several of you an explanation for my recent behavior (or lack thereof, as it were), and might have a few other things that are important enough (to me) to touch on. >> Geordie >>> On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who had the trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately andusually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harmto any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea that he is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybe we can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 09:14:42 -0500 To: bucknutt2008@yahoo.com, billingtw@sbcglobal.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: Mike Glasser I've not said anything yet about all this so here are my thoughts.. I'm thankful that people feel comfortable in our group. Its as if we were sitting around a table playing cards and having a beer. If Ray said that at a poker game, I suspect that no one would have stormed out and called theFBI. Why now? I'm thankful that Patrick introduced me to OBC a few years ago, I'm thankful that I sold Steve R bought some cards on ebay that he had Ed pick up to save the shipping. I'm thankful that Ed and I got to talking about OBC and now I'm in the group. I'm thankful that I have had the opportunity to meet Pete, Joe D, Wes, Anthony, Joe A, Steve R and I am thankful that I've sent both Ray and Mark H cards over the years and they've done the same for me. I like sending you cards and hope to continue doing so. I've sent people cards who have never sent anything in return. I've even sent money to someone who never sent anything in return. Does it matter? No!! That isn't what OBC is about. We are about helping where we can, whenwe can. For goodness sakes guys, we are grown men that collect baseball cards and some of even collect silly non-sport stuff (me included so don't get offended anyone). My take on Ray's comment was why do innocent teenagers, none of whom have any real power to change gun laws, get shot down when the people who make the laws aren't the ones who have to live the consequences? Obviously otherpeople read it differently and that's ok too! Maybe Ray had a painful incident in his life relating to this. Let's have some respect for other people's thoughts, experiences, perspectives and opinions and let's not get allrighteous when those opinions don't agree with ours. We collect baseball cards. My employees offend me, my wife offends me, my kids offend, my customers offend me and I offend them. Let's live and let live and try to have some distractions and fun on the side. If everyone who has quit the group over the last few months wants to start a new group, I want to be part of that one too even if I don't agree with your politics, your moral stance, your religion or whatever else you have the right to believe, talk about and campaign on. Isn't that what makes our country different and unique? I certainly think so. So, I hope that after the dust settles, we can all get back to what we werevetted to this group for. Feeling respectful towards all of you, Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Thomas W. Billing Cc: Geordie Calvert ; Raymond Luurs ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 8:48 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person Tom I agree I did not want him to leave. I would have liked for him to senda new message and try to except explain in more detail what exactly he wastrying to say. There have been time I have sent a text or message and whatI was saying was not conveyed the right way. Everyone of us have said something that we probably should have not said at one point in our lives. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2018, at 18:54, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I apologize as my question got him to reply this way. I hope to keep politics out of OBC as that is what Facebook is for. I do hope that philosophy of late to not give anyone a second chance does not come into play here. Anyone can say something he should not have said. I guess toppsaholic brings out the worst in us. Tom Billing On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Damn, Ray. I know I=E2=99m not the only one that wishes you hadn=E2=99t said what you did. I=E2=99ve never been shy regarding my thoughts and feelings about our CiC, but openly saying what you did is way beyond what=E2=99s acceptable (imo), especially given the recent tragedy with thatparticular weapon. (to quote Mr. Gump, that=E2=99s all I=E2=99m going to say about that) I need to sit down tonight and compose some thoughts of my own. I owe several of you an explanation for my recent behavior (or lack thereof, as it were), and might have a few other things that are important enough (to me) to touch On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who had the trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea thathe is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybewe can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= To: Mike Glasser , "bucknutt2008@yahoo.com" Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 14:41:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person From: Patrick Wattigny Well said, Mike!! Fr. Pat Wattigny Get Outlook for iOS From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:14:42 AM To: bucknutt2008@yahoo.com; billingtw@sbcglobal.net Cc: dodgergeo@comcast.net; raymondluurs@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person I've not said anything yet about all this so here are my thoughts.. I'm thankful that people feel comfortable in our group. Its as if we were sitting around a table playing cards and having a beer. If Ray said that at a poker game, I suspect that no one would have stormed out and called theFBI. Why now? I'm thankful that Patrick introduced me to OBC a few years ago, I'm thankful that I sold Steve R bought some cards on ebay that he had Ed pick up to save the shipping. I'm thankful that Ed and I got to talking about OBC and now I'm in the group. I'm thankful that I have had the opportunity to meet Pete, Joe D, Wes, Anthony, Joe A, Steve R and I am thankful that I've sent both Ray and Mark H cards over the years and they've done the same for me. I like sending you cards and hope to continue doing so. I've sent people cards who have never sent anything in return. I've even sent money to someone who never sent anything in return. Does it matter? No!! That isn't what OBC is about. We are about helping where we can, whenwe can. For goodness sakes guys, we are grown men that collect baseball cards and some of even collect silly non-sport stuff (me included so don't get offended anyone). My take on Ray's comment was why do innocent teenagers, none of whom have any real power to change gun laws, get shot down when the people who make the laws aren't the ones who have to live the consequences? Obviously otherpeople read it differently and that's ok too! Maybe Ray had a painful incident in his life relating to this. Let's have some respect for other people's thoughts, experiences, perspectives and opinions and let's not get allrighteous when those opinions don't agree with ours. We collect baseball cards. My employees offend me, my wife offends me, my kids offend, my customers offend me and I offend them. Let's live and let live and try to have some distractions and fun on the side. If everyone who has quit the group over the last few months wants to start a new group, I want to be part of that one too even if I don't agree with your politics, your moral stance, your religion or whatever else you have the right to believe, talk about and campaign on. Isn't that what makes our country different and unique? I certainly think so. So, I hope that after the dust settles, we can all get back to what we werevetted to this group for. Feeling respectful towards all of you, Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Thomas W. Billing Cc: Geordie Calvert ; Raymond Luurs ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 8:48 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thought of a not bright person Tom I agree I did not want him to leave. I would have liked for him to senda new message and try to except explain in more detail what exactly he wastrying to say. There have been time I have sent a text or message and whatI was saying was not conveyed the right way. Everyone of us have said something that we probably should have not said at one point in our lives. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2018, at 18:54, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > I apologize as my question got him to reply this way. I hope to keep politics out of OBC as that is what Facebook is for. I do hope that philosophy of late to not give anyone a second chance does not come into play here. Anyone can say something he should not have said. I guess toppsaholic brings out the worst in us. Tom Billing On Feb 21, 2018, at 6:24 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Damn, Ray. I know I=92m not the only one that wishes you hadn=92t said whatyou did. I=92ve never been shy regarding my thoughts and feelings about our CiC, but openly saying what you did is way beyond what=92s acceptable (imo), especially given the recent tragedy with that particular weapon. (to quote Mr. Gump, that=92s all I=92m going to say about that) I need to sit down tonight and compose some thoughts of my own. I owe several of you an explanation for my recent behavior (or lack thereof, as it were), and might have a few other things that are important enough (to me) to touch On Feb 20, 2018, at 8:11 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I am not a lawyer and never played one on TV but i always thought who had the trademark first has the rights..........since i watch CNN lately and usually make fun of politician both Democrats and Republicans made a living bought cards until the Teflon Don came along I have never wanted any harm to any of them. now I wake up every morning hoping to hear of an assination by an AR-15 at the White House. toppaholic seems to have the same idea thathe is God and no one can hurt him. Ifw e have the trademark for obc maybewe can have a decease and whatever order against him and sue. Take my thought as mine after a day of CNN and watching stupid people all day. Back yo my Dutch translation class. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:25:20 -0500 To: Tim newcomb Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To whom it may concern From: "Thomas W. Billing" Amen, brother. Let=E2=99s get back to uncovering old errors that send usinto a frenzy Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Feb 22, 2018, at 12:13 AM, Tim newcomb wrote: > Ray, > fwiw, > I don=E2=99t consider you a pariah. People say things they wish they hadn=E2=99t all the time. You have already apologized. I say to OBC, live and let live. > Sent from my iPad > On Feb 21, 2018, at 9:12 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Not everyone as I do not want to see you go. >> Tom Billing >> Sent from my iPad >> On Feb 21, 2018, at 8:23 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Since it been brought to my attention that im a pariah please take me off the OBC rolls and everyone will be happy ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:29:38 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Super Bowl Winners. From: EEK I know I'm late but could someone let me know who the winners were so I can send them their rightful spoils. Thanks! Earl "EEK" Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 10:55:38 -0500 To: originaleek1@att.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl Winners. From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I believe the 4 winners were: Mike Galbreath Kevin Martens Bob Neill TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: EEK originaleek1@att.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 10:39 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl Winners. I know I'm late but could someone let me know who the winners were so I cansend them their rightful spoils. Thanks! Earl "EEK" Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:32:20 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Two regrets From: nick pelletier Ive got two regrets about my six plus years in OBC. Im not going to hit number three. Although Aaron finds my opinion "inappropriate" TOUGH! OBC is more about ego than cards or camaraderie. It is a higher crimeto disagree with the powers that be than it is to take a stand against child pornography and fucking children. Thats another reason the AC has been hiding the fact that weve got a member on the inactive list currently in federal prison. Take a look...this is from the Department of Justice. Omaha Man Sentenced to 6 Years for Receiving Child Pornography The AC has had this information for several months by theirown admission. It was posted in an AC members Facebook page in October that they knew about this. That is of course assuming they didnt know before hand. 2017 was an awful year in OBC. The sitting AC has determined that we should relive that again. Again disagreeing with Sal, Mike, Peter, Aaron, is worse than a federal conviction-in the eyes of OBC. Sorry, sending cards is not good enough reason to keep anybody around. Its piss poor. I do not in any way condone what Mr. Luurs said yesterday. It is wrong and should not have been said. He did help expose underlying issues simmering right below the surface. Some of the responses, and many of the non-responses are downright offensive. Yesterday, before Mr Holland left, he sent a post saying our leadership needs some ethics and morals. yup. Last night or early this morning Sal stated the AC has done everything it possibly could this past year. Nope. Could have separated from the guy IN PRISON . good thing weve got a cheerleader to pat ourselves on the This has become a royal shit show and we dont give a damn. I DO! I give a damn. since cards are the most important thing......Ive made some serious and significant changes to my want list. Take a look! you know where the link is. Some of you are great friends. I look forward to seeing you at the next show. I look forward to moving cards between us in the future. Some of you, well, its been something. Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com | | | | | Omaha Man Sentenced to 6 Years for Receiving Child Pornography | | ================= Date: 22 Feb 2018 17:54:29 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Conflict Within the Group From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:25:54 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: In support of our AC From: Glenn Codere I've been debating with myself whether or not to pitch in to the current disagreements within our group. I didn't want to fan the flames of an alreadybad situation, but I now feel I have to speak out. I'll start with a direct appeal. Nick, please, please dial it back a bit. You've had issues with the AC for some time now. We know. We get it. You're probably going to tell me that if I don't like your opinion, tough. For therecord, I don't but you're certainly entitled to it. Instead of trying to be the loudest shouter in the room and telling the AC to do something, why not consider formulating some concrete proposals, garner support for them, then present them to the AC for consideration? OBC isn't some sort of dictatorship. If ANY member presents a tangible idea, proposal, solution or any other issue to the AC it WILL be considered. Indeed, in my experience the AC would absolutely love more input and comment from the membership to help guide them to a decision on any matter. Ah but, you may say, the AC is a closed shop...... an inner circle.....a "swamp". And this is where I take some considerable exception. I served on the AC for 3 or 4 years. It's not a thankless job. When I decided to step away, I received several messages from OBCers thanking me for mytime and efforts. During my time, I realised that even seemingly simple decisions made for the best reasons could sometimes be unpopular. In a democracy, you can't please everyone all the time but we debated, discussed, and did our best to reach a conclusion or decision that we felt was right for the group as a whole. There is no doubt in my mind that subsequent - and thecurrent - AC do exactly the same. This isn't party politics. We all have acommon aim and do our best to find the best outcomes. So I'd like to make one thing absolutely clear. There is no "swamp". There is no "inner circle". Of that, I'm confident the vast majority of the membership will agree, no matter how loudly a small number may shout. There are simply a group of men who volunteer themselves for election and if we as a group give them enough votes, they will give up their time to make decisions - for better or for worse - on our behalf. If we don't like or agree withthose decisions, we have the option to put our head above the parapet and run for the AC ourselves, or vote for someone that you know to have a similar viewpoint to our own. I am by no means insinuating that all is rosy in OBC World. There are things that we could do better. I like the idea of prospective AC members being given the option to present their case for election to the membership. I'm in favor of transparency in voting among AC members on any given issue. I also happen to think that a voting requirement of 5-2 should be necessary to carry any resolution, but that's just me. Decisions have been made in recent years which have split the membership, but I'm certain that they were arrived at after a great deal of debate, argument, concession, and the will to get it right. One may of course disagree on any final decision but there is always a reason as to why that decision was made.Over the years, we've done an excellent job of keeping politics out of our group throughout its existence. I find it quite repugnant to weaponise current political soundbites to use against members of our group. I'vebeen lucky enough to meet or at least correspond with many AC members overthe years. I know for a fact that in some cases our political viewpoints are poles apart. In this group however, their politics don't matter. I also know them to be people of great upstanding character who wish nothing more than to do what is best for this group, and THAT is what counts here. Certainly, to accuse them of being morally or ethically lacking is a terrible slander. There also seems to be an unrealistic expectation as to how quickly the AC can respond to any given situation, as if they are "on call" to deal with whatever arises almost immediately. Anyone who has served on any type of committee knows that this is totally unrealistic. Every member of this group has a real life outwith OBC. When something acute occurs that requires urgent action, it may be some time before all 7 AC members are even aware of it.They may be in digest mode....their work or personal circumstances may (rightly) be taking precedence at the time...... they may not be in a positionto check their email. Even after all are made aware of a situation, there is still a need to gather facts, understand circumstances, debate the seriousness of the issue, construct and debate appropriate responses, then make a final proposal that can be voted on. We throw pieces of cardboard at eachother. There is very little that can occur within this group that justifies an instant, knee-jerk reaction - precisely the type of reaction that moreoften than not results in bad decisions. From a personal perspective, I'm glad that I haven't been a member of the AC during the past year or two. They've had some extremely difficult decisions to make, decisions which have tested friendships and which, thanks to their "damned if you do, damned if you don't" composition, have unfortunatelyopened up some cracks within the membership.The RSO situation is not one that sits comfortably with many, but I know for a fact that the debate within the AC was intense and difficult. While some saw a very black and white, in or out resolution, others considered that the legal process and punishment had been fulfilled and that our by-laws allowed membership to be reinstated with restrictions. Most members either accepted this or have chosen to deal with it in their own individual manner. In the end, it was a highly unusual and unanticipated situation which resulted in a decision which I believe most members - from both sides of the debate - find is not ideal. It was however, the AC's job to make a decision and in the end a compromise was reached that could be passed. Despite these difficulties OBC is still a strong group, and I'm sure we'll survive and come out of the other end of this intact. For that to happen though, we need an Advisory Committee. With 150 or so members, we can't simply become tillerless and hope to continue to stay on course. I don't look onthe AC as our "leaders". They are elected to serve, and individuals are there only as long as the membership vote for them. I'll conclude by stating clearly that I support the AC. OBC cannot functionwithout it. While there may be some decisions that I do not agree with, I am fully supportive of the process whereby those decision are made. I believe that the vast majority of the membership agree with this, and I'm sure that the current AC and the present prospective candidates would be extremely appreciative if members would share acknowledgement of their support at what is an extremely difficult time for the group. Glenn Codere.Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:15:34 -0500 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] In support of our AC From: "Thomas W. Billing" I hate to ask, but what is =E2=9CAC=E2=9D? I have seen it mentioned many times. I am fairly new to the group and not knowledgeable about some things. Tom Billing > On Feb 22, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I've been debating with myself whether or not to pitch in to the current disagreements within our group. I didn't want to fan the flames of an already bad situation, but I now feel I have to speak out. > I'll start with a direct appeal. Nick, please, please dial it back a bit.You've had issues with the AC for some time now. We know. We get it. You're probably going to tell me that if I don't like your opinion, tough. For the record, I don't but you're certainly entitled to it. Instead of trying to be the loudest shouter in the room and telling the AC to do something, why not consider formulating some concrete proposals, garner support for them, then present them to the AC for consideration? OBC isn't some sort of dictatorship. If ANY member presents a tangible idea, proposal, solution or any other issue to the AC it WILL be considered. Indeed, in my experience theAC would absolutely love more input and comment from the membership to help guide them to a decision on any matter. Ah but, you may say, the AC is aclosed shop...... an inner circle.....a "swamp". And this is where I take some considerable exception. > I served on the AC for 3 or 4 years. It's not a thankless job. When I decided to step away, I received several messages from OBCers thanking me for my time and efforts. During my time, I realised that even seemingly simple decisions made for the best reasons could sometimes be unpopular. In a democracy, you can't please everyone all the time but we debated, discussed, and did our best to reach a conclusion or decision that we felt was right forthe group as a whole. There is no doubt in my mind that subsequent - and the current - AC do exactly the same. This isn't party politics. We all havea common aim and do our best to find the best outcomes. > So I'd like to make one thing absolutely clear. There is no "swamp". There is no "inner circle". Of that, I'm confident the vast majority of the membership will agree, no matter how loudly a small number may shout. There are simply a group of men who volunteer themselves for election and if we as a group give them enough votes, they will give up their time to make decisions - for better or for worse - on our behalf. If we don't like or agree with those decisions, we have the option to put our head above the parapet and run for the AC ourselves, or vote for someone that you know to have a similar viewpoint to our own. I am by no means insinuating that all is rosy inOBC World. There are things that we could do better. I like the idea of prospective AC members being given the option to present their case for election to the membership. I'm in favor of transparency in voting among AC members on any given issue. I also happen to think that a voting requirement of5-2 should be necessary to carry any resolution, but that's just me. > Decisions have been made in recent years which have split the membership,but I'm certain that they were arrived at after a great deal of debate, argument, concession, and the will to get it right. One may of course disagree on any final decision but there is always a reason as to why that decision was made.Over the years, we've done an excellent job of keeping politics out of our group throughout its existence. I find it quite repugnant to weaponise current political soundbites to use against members of our group. I've been lucky enough to meet or at least correspond with many AC members over the years. I know for a fact that in some cases our political viewpointsare poles apart. In this group however, their politics don't matter. I also know them to be people of great upstanding character who wish nothing more than to do what is best for this group, and THAT is what counts here. Certainly, to accuse them of being morally or ethically lacking is a terrible slander. > There also seems to be an unrealistic expectation as to how quickly the AC can respond to any given situation, as if they are "on call" to deal withwhatever arises almost immediately. Anyone who has served on any type of committee knows that this is totally unrealistic. Every member of this grouphas a real life outwith OBC. When something acute occurs that requires urgent action, it may be some time before all 7 AC members are even aware of it. They may be in digest mode....their work or personal circumstances may (rightly) be taking precedence at the time...... they may not be in a position to check their email. Even after all are made aware of a situation, there is still a need to gather facts, understand circumstances, debate the seriousness of the issue, construct and debate appropriate responses, then make a final proposal that can be voted on. We throw pieces of cardboard at each other. There is very little that can occur within this group that justifies an instant, knee-jerk reaction - precisely the type of reaction that more often than not results in bad decisions. > From a personal perspective, I'm glad that I haven't been a member of theAC during the past year or two. They've had some extremely difficult decisions to make, decisions whi! ch have tested friendships and which, thanks to their "damned if you do, damned if you don't" composition, have unfortunately opened up some cracks within the membership.The RSO situation is not one that sits comfortably with many, but I know for a fact that the debate within the AC was intense and difficult. While some saw a very black and white, in or out resolution, others considered that the legal process and punishment had been fulfilled and that our by-laws allowed membership to be reinstated with restrictions. Most members either accepted this or have chosento deal with it in their own individual manner. In the end, it was a highly unusual and unanticipated situation which resulted in a decision which I believe most members - from both sides of the debate - find is not ideal. It was however, the AC's job to make a decision and in the end a compromise was reached that could be passed. > Despite these difficulties OBC is still a strong group, and I'm sure we'll survive and come out of the other end of this intact. For that to happen though, we need an Advisory Committee. With 150 or so members, we can't simply become tillerless and hope to continue to stay on course. I don't look on the AC as our "leaders". They are elected to serve, and individuals are there only as long as the membership vote for them. > I'll conclude by stating clearly that I support the AC. OBC cannot function without it. While there may be some decisions that I do not agree with, I am fully supportive of the process whereby those decision are made. I believe that the vast majority of the membership agree with this, and I'm surethat the current AC and the present prospective candidates would be extremely appreciative if members would share acknowledgement of their support atwhat is an extremely difficult time for the group. > Glenn Codere. > Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:20:50 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] In support of our AC From: Ken M Tom,  AC = Advisory Committee (the annually elected OBCAC) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 4:15 PMTo: Glenn Codere;Cc: OBC Ramblings;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] In support of our AC I hate to ask, but what is “AC”?  I have seen it mentioned many times.  I am fairly new to the group and not knowledgeable about some things. Tom Billing On Feb 22, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I've been debating with myself whether or not to pitch in to the current disagreements within our group. I didn't want to fan the flames of an already bad situation, but I now feel I have to speak out. I'll start with a direct appeal. Nick, please, please dial it back a bit. You've had issues with the AC for some time now. We know. We get it. You're probably going to tell me that if I don't like your opinion, tough. For the record, I don't but you're certainly entitled to it. Instead of trying to be the loudest shouter in the room and telling the AC to do something, why not consider formulating some concrete proposals, garner support for them, then present them to the AC for consideration? OBC isn't some sort of dictatorship. If ANY member presents a tangible idea, proposal, solution or any other issue to the AC it WILL be considered. Indeed, in my experience the AC would absolutely love more input and comment from the membership to help guide them to a decision on any matter.  Ah but, you may say, the AC is a closed shop...... an inner circle.....a "swamp". And this is where I take some considerable exception. I served on the AC for 3 or 4 years. It's not a thankless job. When I decided to step away, I received several messages from OBCers thanking me for my time and efforts. During my time, I realised that even seemingly simple decisions made for the best reasons could sometimes be unpopular. In a democracy, you can't please everyone all the time but we debated, discussed, and did our best to reach a conclusion or decision that we felt was right for the group as a whole. There is no doubt in my mind that subsequent - and the current - AC do exactly the same. This isn't party politics. We all have a common aim and do our best to find the best outcomes.  So I'd like to make one thing absolutely clear. There is no "swamp". There is no "inner circle". Of that, I'm confident the vast majority of the membership will agree, no matter how loudly a small number may shout. There are simply a group of men who volunteer themselves for election and if we as a group give them enough votes, they will give up their time to make decisions - for better or for worse - on our behalf. If we don't like or agree with those decisions, we have the option to put our head above the parapet and run for the AC ourselves, or vote for someone that you know to have a similar viewpoint to our own. I am by no means insinuating that all is rosy in OBC World. There are things that we could do better. I like the idea of prospective AC members being given the option to present their case for election to the membership. I'm in favor of transparency in voting among AC members on any given issue. I also happen to think that a voting requirement of 5-2 should be ne cessary to carry any resolution, but that's just me. Decisions have been made in recent years which have split the membership, but I'm certain that they were arrived at after a great deal of debate, argument, concession, and the will to get it right. One may of course disagree on any final decision but there is always a reason as to why that decision was made.Over the years, we've done an excellent job of keeping politics out of our group throughout its existence. I find it quite repugnant to weaponise current political soundbites to use against members of our group. I've been lucky enough to meet or at least correspond with many AC members over the years. I know for a fact that in some cases our political viewpoints are poles apart. In this group however, their politics don't matter. I also know them to be people of great upstanding character who wish nothing more than to do what is best for this group, and THAT is what counts here. Certainly, to accuse them of being morally or ethically lacking is a terrible slander.  There also seems to be an unrealistic expectation as to how quickly the AC can respond to any given situation, as if they are "on call" to deal with whatever arises almost immediately. Anyone who has served on any type of committee knows that this is totally unrealistic. Every member of this group has a real life outwith OBC. When something acute occurs that requires urgent action, it may be some time before all 7 AC members are even aware of it. They may be in digest mode....their work or personal circumstances may (rightly) be taking precedence at the time...... they may not be in a position to check their email. Even after all are made aware of a situation, there is still a need to gather facts, understand circumstances, debate the seriousness of the issue, construct and debate appropriate responses, then make a final proposal that can be voted on. We throw pieces of cardboard at each other. There is very little that can occur within this group that justifies an instant, k nee-jerk reaction - precisely the type of reaction that more often than not results in bad decisions. From a personal perspective, I'm glad that I haven't been a member of the AC during the past year or two. They've had some extremely difficult decisions to make, decisions whi! ch have tested friendships and which, thanks to their "damned if you do, damned if you don't" composition, have unfortunately opened up some cracks within the ================= Date: 22 Feb 2018 21:50:48 +0000 To: Subject: Time for the fat guy to weigh in- Support for our AC From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Glenn Codere , Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 15:51:21 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] In support of our AC From: mark zentkovich 3 things from mark z: =E2=A2 I am in support of the AC as well, regardless of whether I agreewith the outcome of a particular issue or not. =E2=A2 Thank you to AC members for your time and consideration of the issues that come up in the group. =E2=A2 Even though there was noise on ramblings server this week (which is ok with me, it is a place for discussion of misc topics), THERE IS STILLA LOT OF GOOD GOING ON. Just the last 3 days my thanks digest has had 15 messages per day- 45 in last 3 days. There is still a lot of good old cardboard flying around! That is my .03 (cents, or non-sense depending on if you agree or not!) Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:35 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] In support of our AC I've been debating with myself whether or not to pitch in to the current disagreements within our group. I didn't want to fan the flames of an alreadybad situation, but I now feel I have to speak out. I'll start with a direct appeal. Nick, please, please dial it back a bit. You've had issues with the AC for some time now. We know. We get it. You're probably going to tell me that if I don't like your opinion, tough. For therecord, I don't but you're certainly entitled to it. Instead of trying to be the loudest shouter in the room and telling the AC to do something, why not consider formulating some concrete proposals, garner support for them, then present them to the AC for consideration? OBC isn't some sort of dictatorship. If ANY member presents a tangible idea, proposal, solution or any other issue to the AC it WILL be considered. Indeed, in my experience the AC would absolutely love more input and comment from the membership to help guide them to a decision on any matter. Ah but, you may say, the AC is a closed shop...... an inner circle.....a "swamp". And this is where I take some considerable exception. I served on the AC for 3 or 4 years. It's not a thankless job. When I decided to step away, I received several messages from OBCers thanking me for mytime and efforts. During my time, I realised that even seemingly simple decisions made for the best reasons could sometimes be unpopular. In a democracy, you can't please everyone all the time but we debated, discussed, and did our best to reach a conclusion or decision that we felt was right for the group as a whole. There is no doubt in my mind that subsequent - and thecurrent - AC do exactly the same. This isn't party politics. We all have acommon aim and do our best to find the best outcomes. So I'd like to make one thing absolutely clear. There is no "swamp". There is no "inner circle". Of that, I'm confident the vast majority of the membership will agree, no matter how loudly a small number may shout. There are simply a group of men who volunteer themselves for election and if we as a group give them enough votes, they will give up their time to make decisions - for better or for worse - on our behalf. If we don't like or agree withthose decisions, we have the option to put our head above the parapet and run for the AC ourselves, or vote for someone that you know to have a similar viewpoint to our own. I am by no means insinuating that all is rosy in OBC World. There are things that we could do better. I like the idea of prospective AC members being given the option to present their case for election to the membership. I'm in favor of transparency in voting among AC members on any given issue. I also happen to think that a voting requirement of 5-2 should be necessary to carry any resolution, but that's just me. Decisions have been made in recent years which have split the membership, but I'm certain that they were arrived at after a great deal of debate, argument, concession, and the will to get it right. One may of course disagree on any final decision but there is always a reason as to why that decision was made.Over the years, we've done an excellent job of keeping politics out of our group throughout its existence. I find it quite repugnant to weaponise current political soundbites to use against members of our group. I'vebeen lucky enough to meet or at least correspond with many AC members overthe years. I know for a fact that in some cases our political viewpoints are poles apart. In this group however, their politics don't matter. I also know them to be people of great upstanding character who wish nothing more than to do what is best for this group, and THAT is what counts here. Certainly, to accuse them of being morally or ethically lacking is a terrible slander. There also seems to be an unrealistic expectation as to how quickly the AC can respond to any given situation, as if they are "on call" to deal with whatever arises almost immediately. Anyone who has served on any type of committee knows that this is totally unrealistic. Every member of this group has a real life outwith OBC. When something acute occurs that requires urgent action, it may be some time before all 7 AC members are even aware of it.They may be in digest mode....their work or personal circumstances may (rightly) be taking precedence at the time...... they may not be in a positionto check their email. Even after all are made aware of a situation, there is still a need to gather facts, understand circumstances, debate the seriousness of the issue, construct and debate appropriate responses, then make a final proposal that can be voted on. We throw pieces of cardboard at eachother. There is very little that can occur within this group that justifies an instant, knee-jerk reaction - precisely the type of reaction that moreoften than not results in bad decisions. From a personal perspective, I'm glad that I haven't been a member of the AC during the past year or two. They've had some extremely difficult decisions to make, decisions which have tested friendships and which, thanks to their "damned if you do, damned if you don't" composition, have unfortunatelyopened up some cracks within the membership.The RSO situation is not one that sits comfortably with many, but I know for a fact that the debate within the AC was intense and difficult. While some saw a very black and white, in or out resolution, others considered that the legal process and punishment had been fulfilled and that our by-laws allowed membership to be reinstated with restrictions. Most members either accepted this or have chosen to deal with it in their own individual manner. In the end, it was a highly unusual and unanticipated situation which resulted in a decision which I believe most members - from both sides of the debate - find is not ideal. It was however, the AC's job to make a decision and in the end a compromise was reached that could be passed. Despite these difficulties OBC is still a strong group, and I'm sure we'll survive and come out of the other end of this intact. For that to happen though, we need an Advisory Committee. With 150 or so members, we can't simply become tillerless and hope to continue to stay on course. I don't look onthe AC as our "leaders". They are elected to serve, and individuals are there only as long as the membership vote for them. I'll conclude by stating clearly that I support the AC. OBC cannot functionwithout it. While there may be some decisions that I do not agree with, I am fully supportive of the process whereby those decision are made. I believe that the vast majority of the membership agree with this, and I'm sure that the current AC and the present prospective candidates would be extremely appreciative if members would share acknowledgement of their support at what is an extremely difficult time for the group. Glenn Codere. Glasgow, Scotland =0DVirus-free. www.avg.com =0D ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:53:39 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Time for the fat guy to weigh in- Support for our AC From: Ed Hutchinson PS- I am SOOOO glad this message made it through, I would have been annoyed if I had to retype the whole thing On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 4:50 PM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Ok, I, like Glenn previously, had been debating long and hard about > posting anything here. His post was very eloquent, and it tipped my > indecision in favor of posting. So, what you are about to read will likely > be less eloquent than Glenn's, but here it is. > First of all, I in NO way support the statement that started all of this, > regarding the assassination of our president. I am glad that many members > stood up to this statement and made it very clear that it was not > acceptable or welcome in OBC. > Initially, I reached out to our AC, and I wanted to know how things would > be handled, as well as asking them to please share these decisions with the > group. I would still like to see more transparency from the AC in matters > such as this- but what I did not take into account is the fact that the AC > is not a hired group. They are not salaried men who's job it is to keep our > group clean, deal with mistakes, breaches of etiquette, and, occasionally, > more severe issues. > Well, actually, that is their job- but they arent paid for it. They get > nothing from it, except to be attacked personally by members who seem to > think that threatening to leave, constantly claiming there is a conspiracy, > and degrading these men and their personal lives, decisions, and even > morals when the AC doesnt act fast enough. Yes Nick, I am talking to you.I > respect your disapproval of the AC. I do not condone your vicious attacks > on the characters of these men, several of whom I consider personal > friends, and the rest whom I respect as adults, fellow collectors, and good > people who are dealing with issues a trading card group should never have > to deal with. > The thing about this entire situation that saddens me is not that a > mistake was made by Mr. Luurs, which it was, nor that this mistake led toa > resolution, whether it is the one we all would have liked or not. What > saddens me is that adult men are being attacked by others simply for > sharing an opinion that is not in agreement with their own. Good heavens > OBCers, this is not what we are about. Disagree with an opinion, disagree > with the AC- heck, even decide to leave the group if that is how you feel > the situation will best be resolved for you- but dont you dare attack > people for disagreeing with you. That, frankly, is unacceptable behavior at > any level. > I support the AC, because we as a group elected them. When I had a > difficult moral choice to make myself regarding the readmission of a > member, I was able to talk with, and discuss the matter with several > members of the AC. I disagree with their decision, but that does not change > my respect for them. We dont always get what we want, and the situation was > explained to me in such a way that I respected their decision then, as I do > now. > If you do not agree with the AC- we are literally at the best time to > change that. The election is open right now. Select other members if you > want a different viewpoint on issues, or if you do not believe that the > current group did a good job- but do NOT attack them personally for making > a decision, even if you don't like it. > OK, I doubt that many of you have read this far- and I know I didnt type > this out as well as Glenn or several other members did- but let me clarify > a few things for those who are still reading > 1. This group is still one of the best groups for making friends, slinging > cardboard, and learning about this hobby that I love > 2. I support, and will continue to support, the AC's decisions on matters > because they have been elected to solve problems for the group. > 3. I ain't going anywhere, and I hope none of the rest of you are either- > you are a good group of men, many of you are my friends, and I respect all > of you, even if I dont always agree with you. > In the spirit of OBC, lets make tonight a waiver wire for the ages, and > get back to sending cardboard through the mail, renewing, strengthening, > and repairing friendships, and remembering what brought us all together in > the first place- our love of sports, our friendship, and pictures of dead > guys! > Respectfully submitted > Ed Hutchinson ================= Date: 22 Feb 2018 22:08:01 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Time for the fat guy to weigh in- Support for our AC From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:15:26 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1960 want list From: Yahoo I need five cards to put my 1960 set to bed. Looking for D.S. Or trade if any one has these. 388 Game 4, 390 Game 6, 391 W.S. Summary, 429 America league Kings, 553 Bill Skowron. AS. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 22 Feb 2018 23:28:20 +0000 To: Subject: how From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "'Yahoo'" , Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:46:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 want list From: "Bob Donaldson" Down to four 388 Game 4, 390 Game 6, 429 America league Kings, 553 Bill Skowron. AS. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:15 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 want list I need five cards to put my 1960 set to bed. Looking for D.S. Or trade if any one has these. 388 Game 4, 390 Game 6, 391 W.S. Summary, 429 America league Kings, 553 Bill Skowron. AS. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 18:46:32 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] how From: "Thomas W. Billing" Absolutely report him and be ready with evidence to support these facts. Ihave done this before. I realize eBay is not supportive of ethics over making money however, and that is sad. Please keep us all posted. Tom Billing > On Feb 22, 2018, at 6:28 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > do I report a dishonest seller to ebay. About 2 weeks ago I purchased 8 rookie cards from the seller. He claimed they were destroyed in the mail - he has them up for sale again. Please give me some advice. > Thank you, > Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 16:12:54 -0800 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] how From: Rick on my iPad right on the listing it has a report item button. Bid on them again and if you win any wait till you receive them then leave negative feedback. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 22, 2018, at 3:28 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > do I report a dishonest seller to ebay. About 2 weeks ago I purchased 8 rookie cards from the seller. He claimed they were destroyed in the mail - he has them up for sale again. Please give me some advice. > Thank you, > Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:13:58 -0500 Subject: Waivers From: "Bob Donaldson" Recent ramblings have been a bit depressing, here are some availables. Please respond with your name and address. If the availables are gone I will still make an effort to hit your list. Willie (1969 Deckle) and the Duke (1962 Post #114) - anyone got a Mickey to finish things? Smith's Pinewood Cigarettes #16 Mary Pickford Fleer Basketball 19?? #28 Bob Leonard. 1970 Topps Reggie Jackson - tipton 1951 Bowman #181 Casey Stengel 1965 Embossed Al Kaline 1966 Topps #430 Don Drysdale ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 00:22:26 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: An error on my part From: Glenn Codere It has come to my attention that a key assumption that I made while writingmy earlier message was wrong. Until just an hour ago, I had equated all discussions and mentions of an RSO to a single person. It's only now that I've come to be aware that a second individual has been involved in similar activity. This information does not alter my view of support for the members of the AC and its processes. Indeed, it leads me to appreciate the enormous difficulties that the AC must be contending with now and during the past 6 months.I stand by my belief that the guys on the AC will have gone through a verypainful decision making process in reaching the stage that we are at rightnow. Again, this is not a question of agreement or disagreement for me. I simply believe that the correct processes were followed and hope that the reasoning behind some of the decisions will be made known in due course. That being said, with this new knowledge I can now understand a bit better Nick's frustrations, though I'm still at odds with his way of expressing them. Nick, I hope we can just agree to disagree on that point. When it comesdown to opinions re the type of resolution we would like to see on the overall matter at hand though, we are perhaps not as far apart as first may seem. The incoming AC faces enormous challenges in the year to come. For my part,I will resolve to try to play a more active role in expressing my opinionson issues at hand directly to the AC and hope that others do the same, in order to help them better gauge the feeling and views of the membership, and make more informed decisions in a less isolated environment. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:56:33 -0500 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] An error on my part From: "Thomas W. Billing" What is an =E2=9CRSO=E2=9D? I guess I need a code book. > On Feb 22, 2018, at 7:22 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Guys, > It has come to my attention that a key assumption that I made while writing my earlier message was wrong. Until just an hour ago, I had equated all discussions and mentions of an RSO to a single person. It's only now that I've come to be aware that a second individual has been involved in similar activity. > This information does not alter my view of support for the members of theAC and its processes. Indeed, it leads me to appreciate the enormous difficulties that the AC must be contending with now and during the past 6 months. I stand by my belief that the guys on the AC will have gone through a very painful decision making process in reaching the stage that we are at right now. Again, this is not a question of agreement or disagreement for me. I simply believe that the correct processes were followed and hope that thereasoning behind some of the decisions will be made known in due course. > That being said, with this new knowledge I can now understand a bit better Nick's frustrations, though I'm still at odds with his way of expressing them. Nick, I hope we can just agree to disagree on that point. When it comes down to opinions re the type of resolution we would like to see on the overall matter at hand though, we are perhaps not as far apart as first may seem. > The incoming AC faces enormous challenges in the year to come. For my part, I will resolve to try to play a more active role in expressing my opinions on issues at hand directly to the AC and hope that others do the same, in order to help them better gauge the feeling and views of the membership, and make more informed decisions in a less isolated environment. > Glenn ================= To: Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 19:59:48 -0500 Subject: RE: Waivers From: "Bob Donaldson" Following are still available Smith's Pinewood Cigarettes #16 Mary Pickford Fleer Basketball 19?? #28 Bob Leonard. 1965 Embossed Al Kaline 1963 Post Snider ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 01:33:49 +0000 To: Subject: I left a negative From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 01:55:00 +0000 To: Subject: negative left From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 21:01:02 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left From: Yahoo Let one of us bid so he does not know it=E2=99s u. Lol Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2018, at 20:55, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > In order to leave the negative I had to call them and the person sent me a different link so I could leave a negative. It took over half an hour to do as we had to try various methods. So, if you can't leave a feedback calleBay - they were very helpful. > He or she is not happy - here is what they sent to me > your such a bad human u got ur money back and u do this wow i will talk with ebay about this and u > They don't realize that I want the cards not the money. I wonder if he will block me when I bid? > Thanks again > Richard ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 20:15:27 -0600 To: Yahoo , rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left From: tvalacak ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 02:17:53 +0000 To: Subject: 1950s Waiver From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 02:31:21 +0000 To: Subject: First born!!!! From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 02:31:48 +0000 To: Subject: Set killed- 1980 Topps- HUGE thanks to OBC From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:07:03 -0500 To: mp1067@Hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: mikesportsfan@aol.com CONGRATULATIONS!!! GREAT NEWS! Much health and happiness to your family.May he grow up to be a bright young man and a Tigers fan. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Feb 22, 2018 9:31 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! My wife and I just had our first baby, a son, Michael John Dillon IV. Very exciting time for us! Hopefully he will be collecting cardboard very soon! Just thought it would be nice to share some good news with the group. Sorryabout not having a picture, but my wife and I aren't big fans of sending out online pictures or using social media. Who knows, maybe some of you willmeet him at future shows. Take care everyone. Mike Dillon ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:30:18 -0500 To: tvalacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left From: "Thomas W. Billing" Does this person have toppaholic write his stuff? It sounds very familiar.Good Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Feb 22, 2018, at 9:15 PM, tvalacak tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > He's oblivious to the fact that he is relisting the same cards he said were lost. Brutal > TJ Valacak > OBC member since 2005 > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 2/22/18 8:01 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: rlabs1@yahoo.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left > Let one of us bid so he does not know it=E2=99s u. Lol > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 22, 2018, at 20:55, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> In order to leave the negative I had to call them and the person sent mea different link so I could leave a negative. It took over half an hour todo as we had to try various methods. So, if you can't leave a feedback call eBay - they were very helpful. >> He or she is not happy - here is what they sent to me >> your such a bad human u got ur money back and u do this wow i will talk with ebay about this and u >> They don't realize that I want the cards not the money. I wonder if he will block me when I bid? >> Thanks again >> Richard ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 03:33:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 22:48:54 -0500 To: tvalacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left From: ShoelessWes He's not oblivious. He knows exactly what he's doing. He's a felon, committing felonious acts, and eBay doesn't care, because they're in Bangladesh. Wes Shepard > On Feb 22, 2018, at 9:15 PM, tvalacak tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > He's oblivious to the fact that he is relisting the same cards he said were lost. Brutal > TJ Valacak > OBC member since 2005 > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 2/22/18 8:01 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: rlabs1@yahoo.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left > Let one of us bid so he does not know it=E2=99s u. Lol > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 22, 2018, at 20:55, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> In order to leave the negative I had to call them and the person sent mea different link so I could leave a negative. It took over half an hour todo as we had to try various methods. So, if you can't leave a feedback call eBay - they were very helpful. >> He or she is not happy - here is what they sent to me >> your such a bad human u got ur money back and u do this wow i will talk with ebay about this and u >> They don't realize that I want the cards not the money. I wonder if he will block me when I bid? >> Thanks again >> Richard ================= Date: Thu, 22 Feb 2018 23:34:11 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: Steve Congrats Mike, refreshing to hear some nice news, best wishes to you and your Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Feb 22, 2018, at 10:33 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Congrats Mike! What a great blessing! > Jay Tysver > On Feb 22, 2018, at 9:06 PM, Nathan Mack nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Happy Day Mike!! Cheers!!! >> Nate Mack >> On Thursday, February 22, 2018 8:31 PM, "mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> My wife and I just had our first baby, a son, Michael John Dillon IV. Very exciting time for us! Hopefully he will be collecting cardboard very soon! Just thought it would be nice to share some good news with the group. Sorry about not having a picture, but my wife and I aren't big fans of sending out online pictures or using social media. Who knows, maybe some of you will meet him at future shows. Take care everyone. >> Mike Dillon ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 01:07:58 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Election From: MARK TALBOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Hello OBC, This is NOT CAMPAIGNING, as it is not allowed via the rules of conduct. I was approached to serve on the OBCAC and accepted the nomination and as a result I am on the ballot. I have been reading the emails and many new members are confused because they do not know many of us. So here is a little about ME - I became a member of OBC in July of 2000 having waited about 3/4 of a year for my application to be processed. I was admitted in the waning days of the membership cap so it was a little tougher to get into the group. Over the past 17 1/2 years I have met over (75) collectors either at shows, the National, when folks came to Detroit, or when I would visit when on the road. I have met every candidate on the slate this year with the exception of Randy Welk - I got to do something about that. I have been to many OBC'ers homes and I guess they much like me because I was always invited back. I've enjoyed the company of group members at many baseball stadiums across the northeast and had more dinners than I can count with fellas that like to talk sports, collecting, life, and just about anything. Sure, I've received plenty of cardboard over the years and flung my fair share about as well (been a bit slower of late as life has a tendency to get in the way) but for me the group has always been about the people and the relationships I have been privileged to cultivate with so many friends for nearly two decades. I'm proud of having participated in nearly every benevolent activity over the years that makes OBC so special. When we say we are friends and we can come together in very tangible ways when others are in need it truly is a reflection of who I am and who I want to be. We are much like an extended family and we are here for one another. To that end - when asked again to serve on the executive committee I said yes. If I can help to continue the OBC spirit into the future I humbly accept the challenge - so I understand 50% of the membership have yet to vote - if you were waiting to get to know the slate of candidates, I've done my best to introduce myself, perhaps some of my friends on the ballot will do the same so you will feel a bit more informed toward your decision. BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:47:06 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: Glenn Codere Wonderful news. Congratulations, Mike!! Best to you and your family. On Friday, February 23, 2018, 2:31:38 AM GMT, mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: My wife and I just had our first baby, a son, Michael John Dillon IV. Very exciting time for us! Hopefully he will be collecting cardboard very soon! Just thought it would be nice to share some good news with the group. Sorryabout not having a picture, but my wife and I aren't big fans of sending out online pictures or using social media. Who knows, maybe some of you willmeet him at future shows. Take care everyone. Mike Dillon ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 06:34:36 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: First born!!!! From: Andy Cook Congratulations!!! Best wishes for the health of your wife and son! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:36:04 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Ken Morganti - OBCAC Candidate profile From: Ken M OBC,   My name is Ken Morganti. I'm on the ballot for the OBC Advisory Committee this year. I live in Everett, MA, which is a couple minutes north of Boston. I have two kids (Dominic turns 9 in June and Kyleigh turns 7 in April). I've worked in a supermarket in one form or another since 1983. That's coming up on 35 years seniority in UFCW locals 1445 and 328 if you're scoring at home. I'm currently the frozen food manager at Stop & Shop in Reading. Besides collecting cards, I also enjoy playing basketball and softball, even as I approach my 52nd birthday.   I joined OBC in June of 1996 and have found it to be the most rewarding decisions I've ever made. Over the past 22 years, I've met up with well over 100 past and present members at shops and shows all over the country. Some of my closest friends, who I've known for 20+ years are from this group. Years ago, when OBC was running a series of charitable eBay auctions for the kids of one of our departed members, I struck up an email conversation with one of the bidders. (I had volunteered to headquarter all the donated cards and sell them.) Tuned out, he was a writer for Beckett magazine and I was featured with OBC in the back of one of  the magazines in an "Industry Expert" section. My collection has grown way beyond even my wildest dreams, with significant OBC help. I look forward to passing the 50k milestone within the next couple years. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 08:59:28 -0500 To: mp1067@Hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: David Luciano Hi Mike, Congrats and get ready for a wild ride and try to enjoy every up and down. Even some of the down is great when you and your wife will look back on it and God bless you and your family Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 On Feb 22, 2018, at 9:31 PM, mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > My wife and I just had our first baby, a son, Michael John Dillon IV. Very exciting time for us! Hopefully he will be collecting cardboard very soon! Just thought it would be nice to share some good news with the group. Sorry about not having a picture, but my wife and I aren't big fans of sendingout online pictures or using social media. Who knows, maybe some of you will meet him at future shows. Take care everyone. > Mike Dillon ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:02:33 -0500 To: David Luciano Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: chris tripler Mike, fantastic news! Congratulations!! you=E2=99ve made a stupendous life leap, hope you stored up on sleep! Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:59 AM, David Luciano daveluciano@me.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi Mike, > Congrats and get ready for a wild ride and try to enjoy every up and down. Even some of the down is great when you and your wife will look back on it and laugh. > God bless you and your family > Thanks! > Dave Luciano > 12815 Kingsway Dr, > Chesterland, Ohio > 44026 > 216 406 5940 > daveluciano@me.com >> On Feb 22, 2018, at 9:31 PM, mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> My wife and I just had our first baby, a son, Michael John Dillon IV. Very exciting time for us! Hopefully he will be collecting cardboard very soon! Just thought it would be nice to share some good news with the group. Sorry about not having a picture, but my wife and I aren't big fans of sending out online pictures or using social media. Who knows, maybe some of you will meet him at future shows. Take care everyone. >> Mike Dillon ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:48:32 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Possible suggestion for next year's election.... From: Jim Thayer Perhaps an idea for next year's election, since campaigning is not permitted.... Let's make sure all candidates have their bios updated before the electionsstart. When the voting counter (was Mark Holland, until he left) sends out the list of nominees in February 2019, he will cut and paste their bios all in one e-mail for us voters to see. That way no campaigning will happen, and nominees will not have to send out another write up to the groups. Additionally, voters will not have to go looking for their bios on the OBC page. It'll all be right there in the e-mail that's supposed to replied to. Jimi Thayer ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Jim Thayer Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:55:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible suggestion for next year's election.... From: JAY TYSVER I'll second that Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 8:48 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible suggestion for next year's election.... Perhaps an idea for next year's election, since campaigning is not permitted.... Let's make sure all candidates have their bios updated before the electionsstart. When the voting counter (was Mark Holland, until he left) sends out the list of nominees in February 2019, he will cut and paste their bios all in one e-mail for us voters to see. That way no campaigning will happen, and nominees will not have to send out another write up to the groups. Additionally, voters will not have to go looking for their bios on the OBC page. It'll all be right there in the e-mail that's supposed to replied to. Jimi Thayer ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:56:46 -0500 To: MARK TALBOT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Election From: David Luciano Hello OBC, Is anyone thinking, Brewsters Millions - Vote 'None of the Above' https://www.youtube.com/watch?vMOwesWn3vU4 Oh relax..., just having fun. (to the thin skinned ones). Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 On Feb 23, 2018, at 1:07 AM, MARK TALBOT talbot1@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hello OBC, > This is NOT CAMPAIGNING, as it is not allowed via the rules of conduct. I was approached to serve on the OBCAC and accepted the nomination andas a result I am on the ballot. I have been reading the emails and many new members are confused because they do not know many of us. So here is a little about ME - I became a member of OBC in July of 2000 having waited about 3/4 of a year for my application to be processed. I was admitted in the waning days of the membership cap so it was a little tougher to get into the group. Over the past 17 1/2 years I have met over (75) collectors either at shows, the National, when folks came to Detroit, or when I would visit when on the road. I have met every candidate on the slate this year withthe exception of Randy Welk - I got to do something about that. I have been to many OBC'ers homes and I guess they much like me because I was alwaysinvited back. I've enjoyed the company of group members at many baseball stadiums across the northeast and had more dinners than I can count with fellas that like to talk sports, collecting, life, and just about anything. Sure, I've received plenty of cardboard over the years and flung my fair share about as well (been a bit slower of late as life has a tendency to get in the way) but for me the group has always been about the people and the relationships I have been privileged to cultivate with so many friends for nearly two decades. > I'm proud of having participated in nearly every benevolent activityover the years that makes OBC so special. When we say we are friends and we can come together in very tangible ways when others are in need it trulyis a reflection of who I am and who I want to be. We are much like an extended family and we are here for one another. To that end - when asked again to serve on the executive committee I said yes. If I can help to continue the OBC spirit into the future I humbly accept the challenge - so I understand 50% of the membership have yet to vote - if you were waiting to get to know the slate of candidates, I've done my best to introduce myself, perhaps some of my friends on the ballot will do the same so you will feel a bit more informed toward your decision. > BE WELL!!! > REGARDS -------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:05:49 -0500 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible suggestion for next year's From: Mike Glasser I like that idea but wonder why they can't campaign. For background, I have no beef with the current AC and am happy with how things have been handled so no nefarious intent here. I want the people creating policy to be enthusiastic, energetic and invested. Allowing group emails so that everything is transparent would surely let people show their personality. If someone wants to do this then that likely makes for a better leader in the long run. What is the thinking behind not allowing any campaigning? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Jim Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, Feb 23, 2018 9:48 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible suggestion for next year's election.... Perhaps an idea for next year's election, since campaigning is not permitted.... Let's make sure all candidates have their bios updated before the electionsstart. When the voting counter (was Mark Holland, until he left) sends out the list of nominees in February 2019, he will cut and paste their bios all in one e-mail for us voters to see. That way no campaigning will happen, and nominees will not have to send out another write up to the groups. Additionally, voters will not have to go looking for their bios on the OBC page. It'll all be right there in the e-mail that's supposed to replied to. Jimi Thayer ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 15:42:25 +0000 To: Subject: How From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 10:56:05 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Peter Mead--OBCAC candidate profile From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net My name is Peter Mead and I am one of the candidates for the OBC Advisory Committee. I am a native of western NY (Go Bills!) but have lived the last 28 years in Columbia, Maryland about half way between Washington DC and Baltimore, MD just off of I-95. I have two grown daughters, my eldest Gusty is 23 and currently is a Peace Corps volunteer in South Africa; my youngest Maura is 19 and a sophomore at Manhattan College in the Riverdale section of the Bronx (she could probably hit Rob Fitts house with a rock when she leaves campus at 0500 for crew practice). I have spent my life in printing industry having grown up in a small town newspaper family and eventually ending up with the biggest printer in the United States. Currently I live in international operations management for a global Wall Street printer; in other words, we print prospectuses, M&A documents and all that mutual fund stuff that most people throw away (or use as door stops). I've had a love of baseball since as long as I can remember. Many of you are probably sick and tired of hearing my Jim Konstanty stories--but he was great friends with my grandparents. He also had a cottage just north of Cooperstown and would take my two older brothers and me down for some baseball drills on Abner Doubleday Field. A slightly larger than life experience for a six or seven year old. Watching a live ballgame, reading about the history of the game via literature or cards has been a lifetime event. Last but not least, I joined OBC around 15-years ago and between work travel and an occasional visit to the National I have met more than forty OBC members. I guess I was young when I joined the ranks as I am now 59. OBC has always (or at least most of the time) been my escape from the day-to-day realities of life "stuff." I imagine that isn't all that different from many of you. Peter Mead ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:04:34 +0000 Subject: 73 Topps waiver From: Shawn Smart Nothing terribly exciting but I acquired a low grade lot with multiples of these 94, 95, 110, 111, 112 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:38:46 -0800 To: ShoelessWes , tvalacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left From: wite3 ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 09:39:21 -0800 To: Jim Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible suggestion for next year's election.... From: Rick I would have agreed with people's assessment that the AC was on a singular plane and we were all even with politics/religion etc. not playing a part in who you voted for. OBC like all things has changed/evolved call it what you want to where inmy opinion that no longer applies. Over the last couple years the issues/decisions that have come up have changed As long as issues that came up would of stayed within our OBC walls it probably would have continued that way but when things can effect us in the real world it now has impact on how people vote/create policies. I wouldn't call it democrat/republican labels but using other terms they use conservative/liberal view point. Is someone going to vote in more teeth to an issue,less teeth to an issue? Etc. So going forward there probably should be a one time opportunity for candidates to print up a blurb about themselves to inform voters if they want butnot On another note I have seen at least two people and several others when this came up a couple months ago talking about the issues of the effects of not having a AC. Correct me if I'm wrong NO ONE has ever suggested doing awaywith it that has NEVER been on the table. So not sure why that is insinuated. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 23, 2018, at 6:48 AM, Jim Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Perhaps an idea for next year's election, since campaigning is not permitted.... > Let's make sure all candidates have their bios updated before the elections start. When the voting counter (was Mark Holland, until he left) sends out the list of nominees in February 2019, he will cut and paste their biosall in one e-mail for us voters to see. That way no campaigning will happen, and nominees will not have to send out another write up to the groups. Additionally, voters will not have to go looking for their bios on the OBCpage. It'll all be right there in the e-mail that's supposed to replied to. > Jimi Thayer ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 13:58:23 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First born!!!! From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Hey Mike Congratulations. Good for you guys. I hope you have a ton of fun. That is alot of Michael John Dillons. Randy Welk On Friday, February 23, 2018, 2:31:38 AM GMT, mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: My wife and I just had our first baby, a son, Michael John Dillon IV. Very exciting time for us! Hopefully he will be collecting cardboard very soon! Just thought it would be nice to share some good news with the group. Sorryabout not having a picture, but my wife and I aren't big fans of sending out online pictures or using social media. Who knows, maybe some of you willmeet him at future shows. Take care everyone. Mike Dillon ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:12:35 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: It's Just Me From: ShoelessWes OBC, I'm Wes Shepard. Some say I'm Little Klu. Others, The Swede. My email signature is ShoelessWes. I live in Dayton, and think Pete Rose is the greatest baseball player in human history. I think NFL football is a disgrace. I play hockey in a mens league. I'm 36, and knew Nolan Ryan was my favoritepitcher after he gave Robin Ventura an ass whipping of a lifetime. I namedmy son after Nolan Ryan, and my daughter after Amelia Earhart. I love all sports. I am interested in mostly post war cards, though i dabble in prewaron occasion. I hope to study all card issues. There was a time that i actually wanted to be Ken Griffey Jr. Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all time. In high school, my coach said i reminded him of Dick Butkus. I dropped out of college to invade Iraq. I was a mine and ied finder in a Marine infantry battalion. I've been a first responder in Dayton for 13 years. I dont golf. I cant dance. Im a hugger. I hate guns, but will not be caught without one. I believe no beer should ever be left behind. Jimi Hendrix, Paul McCartney and Kurt Cobain were possible reasons i always got C's in Science and Biology. I'm an American History freak. I claim to be the Last Paperboy. I started collecting baseball cards in 1987. I get angry if people watch Youtube videos of other people playing video games, instead of playing them themselves. Jefferson Burdick is my favorite collector. Wes Shepard ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:31:01 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Wayne Delia - OBCAC Candidate Profile From: Wayne Delia Most of you already know me by reputation - I've been OBC's webmaster for longer than I can remember, and an OBC member since sometime in the last century; they tell me it was 1994. I'm very happily retired from IBM, very happily married to Kelly, and obnoxiously proud of our two grown children Joe and Lisa. I've met about half of the group at various regional and National shows. If you've got a technical question about the website or computers in general, I'll turn around a quick answer (or point you to someone who might know better than I) as soon as possible. I had about three years of experience on the OBCAC in the 2000's, including one year as OBCAC Facilitator. Apart from that, I've been the quiet guy in the background, sending out gentle reminders of who we are, what we represent, what our mission is, and how far we've come. And I've always sincerely signed off on all of my posts: ================= To: ShoelessWes , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:35:20 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It's Just Me From: ED SCHOTT great post Wes I believe it would be good for the group to also let everyone know a little bit about us Ill send mine tonight or tomorrow On 2/23/2018 2:12 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > OBC, I'm Wes Shepard. Some say I'm Little Klu. Others, The Swede. My > email signature is ShoelessWes. I live in Dayton, and think Pete Rose > is the greatest baseball player in human history. I think NFL football > is a disgrace. I play hockey in a mens league. I'm 36, and knew Nolan > Ryan was my favorite pitcher after he gave Robin Ventura an ass > whipping of a lifetime. I named my son after Nolan Ryan, and my > daughter after Amelia Earhart. I love all sports. I am interested in > mostly post war cards, though i dabble in prewar on occasion. I hope > to study all card issues. > There was a time that i actually wanted to be Ken Griffey Jr. > Michael Jordan is the best basketball player of all time. In high > school, my coach said i reminded him of Dick Butkus. I dropped out of > college to invade Iraq. I was a mine and ied finder in a Marine > infantry battalion. I've been a first responder in Dayton for 13 > years. I dont golf. I cant dance. Im a hugger. I hate guns, but will > not be caught without one. I believe no beer should ever be left > behind. Jimi Hendrix, Paul McCartney and Kurt Cobain were possible > reasons i always got C's in Science and Biology. > I'm an American History freak. I claim to be the Last Paperboy. I > started collecting baseball cards in 1987. I get angry if people watch > Youtube videos of other people playing video games, instead of playing > them themselves. > Jefferson Burdick is my favorite collector. > Wes Shepard ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 20:05:29 +0000 (UTC) To: "Ramblings (OBC)" Subject: What the heck, I'll play along (OBCAC candidate profile) From: Geordie Calvert My name is Geordie (Scottish/northern English variation of George). I get called Gordy and Georgie a lot, 'cause some people just ain't got no readin' comprehension skills. I used to go be George when I feel like splurging at Starbucks, but now go by Sam - apparently George is far too complicated for the barista crowd (apologies to our resident barista). I am a husband, father, Christian, dog lover, and follow the Dodgers, Rams, Portland Trailblazers and Oregon Ducks. I've been married for 25 years to Barbara; we have two grown children: Tyler and Camille. Barbara is the best friend I'll ever have - I have never deserved her and I never will. I used to be a cat person, but have fallen in love with dogs. We had Labrador Retrievers for years, but now have American Bulldogs. Nikki is 12-ish, dumb as a bag of hammers, and the sweetest animal I have ever known. Ella is almost two, and we expected her to also be a member of the shallow end of the Mensa pool. She couldn't be more different from Nikki in that regard. Super sharp girl, that Ella. I have been an OBC member since late 1996. I joined hoping to round out some 1970s Dodgers sets, quickly decided I might just go ahead and expand my lists back to 1966 (birth year), quickly found that OBCers had other plans and expanded back to the mid 50s, again quickly found that OBCers had other plans and slowly worked my way back to prewar stuff. Because of OBC and the generosity and cameradie of its members, I have a collection that I'm extremely proud of and enjoy immensely. If y'all want to take a look, you can start here: http://www.4roundcorners.com/dodgercollection/prewar.htm I am also a player collector and have the largest and most extensive Brett Butler collection on the planet, although competition for that crown is hardly fierce - there's like me... and literally no one else! . I started collecting him when he became a Dodger, but had always liked when he was a Giant. While I loathe the Giants, there has almost always been a player on their various teams that I can't help but like. Anyhow, for what it's worth, I have roughly 96% of the Butler cards that Beckett recognizes, plus scores of other oddball, variation, autographed, graded and other weird stuff. I'm a big fan of the Topps Vault, where pre-production samples and color separation proofs sometimes show up on eBay. So that's a little bit about me. I've served on the AC a couple of times in the past, have met 62 past/current OBCers, and am quite proud to have been part of this little corner of the collecting world. Geordie (or Sam, if you prefer) ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 15:12:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: How From: Tom Housley Richard & all, You can update your bio & collecting interests by going to oldbaseball.com & clicking Directory. Then click "update your address or collecting goals", then "update OBC Profile Information". Then log in, and you'll be taken to the page to update your address, contact info, collecting goals and bio. When you're finished, click the "update profile" button and bingo, you are all done. Tom Housley ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 14:35:20 -0600 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: How From: "Samuel E. Taylor" FYI, the =E2=9Dupdate profile=E2=9D button is in the MIDDLE of the page. Sam Taylor Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 23, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Richard & all, > You can update your bio & collecting interests by going to oldbaseball.com & clicking Directory. Then click "update your address or collecting goals", then "update OBC Profile Information". Then log in, and you'll be taken to the page to update your address, contact info, collecting goals and bio.When you're finished, click the "update profile" button and bingo, you areall > Tom Housley ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 20:46:20 +0000 To: Subject: OBCAC candidate bio ramble From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 16:25:27 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I am going to ramble From: rjsfgmv@aol.com A lot of rambling going on lately. Like many who have rambled, I hesitated about rambling. So, I thought I would try to set a record ramble. This is why I am in OBC=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6 My OBC Heroes Lynn Miller. Lynn sent me baseball cards just because heheard I was thinking about joining the group. Lynn showed up at my Soccertournament in Las Vegas to meet me and give me a 1955 Willie Mays. Mike RW. Mike talkedme into joining the group. He was so kind and encouraging. I think he is angryat me now and won=E2=99t talk to me, but that isok. Hero anyway. Rich Neisson. Nicest guy I ever met. Fun, generous and spentmore on postagethan anyone. I have never missed anyone more. Matt Yudt. After a drive across the entire country, Matt hada beer for me at the National. Do you have a better friend than that? Mac Wubben. Mac gets my Old Giants collection and knows thatI do not have much. Sent me some really great old Giants. Relatively new wifeand brand newdaughter. Very cool guy. Tom Housley. Welcomed me to the group, has a picture withMarie Osmand and is a great =E2=9Cnew member guy=E2=9D. A very efficient and right on topof things person. TJ Valacak. Ridiculously cool when I first joined. And thecoolest name in OBC. The Footers. They won;t let me be a footer even though Inamed my daughter after Charlie Gehringer but very cool to have their own groupand camaraderiewithin the group. The prayers in the OBC. Politics and religion aside, I amone of those that believe prayer just simply works. And if you do to, thosethat do are doing good. Bill Ashton. Bill gave me a 1962 Bart Starr card. For somereason, I just get really a kick out of it. Mike Rich. Showed up at my house and new just what I waslooking for. I will stop there. Many are being left out. Really many. Many heroes Some might say, what? Do you like these guys because theysent you something? Yes. Do you have a better reason? They did this out ofkindness. Again, 120 others have too. We all have different lives. And many filled withheartbreak Through job problems,marriage problems, kid problems, or whatever gets us down; OBC is a place thatI joined because, People were so nice. They don=E2=99t know everything about youbut they know you like baseball cards and want to be a part of a group. That is OBC. That is why I joined almost 10 years ago. Withall the hassle and difficulty life throws at us sometimes, there is one placeto go where things are nice and easy and fun and you get to know some people. What is OBC, fromthe webpage: =E2=9CYes OBC is about collecting old cards, but it goes alot deeper then that for many of us.=E2=9D From the webpage About 25 ofus have been involved in OBC since 1992. We know each other and in many casesknow about each others families too. You will find this is a very close groupof people. Many of us have met in person, and there are several OBC"reunions" each year. We have celebrated births and mourned deathstogether and a bunch of us can probably tell you who's kid did what in littleleague Thanks to the old timers. You gave us a place And I batted .605 in Fresno Senior Softball winter league. I joined because people did not care how crappy mycollection was. I joined because people were nice. As sissy as that soundsmaybe, simple fun and easy. I am getting old, and I have grown a little lonely. This wasthe place to just have fun and things were going to be easy. Baseball cards and getting to know some people. People tocare about some topray for. People to get some stuff from and send some stuffto. So, that is my ramble. Thanks guys, let=E2=99s shoot for nice and easy. There is a way. Well, I do not think I set a record. I tried. Randy Welk ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:32:54 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: OBC Candidate Profile From: Matthew Glidden Hi all, as an AC candidate, happy to knock out a few sentences about me. Born in Wisconsin and lived in Iowa until age 6, making my first ballgames minor league affairs in flood-prone Davenport. Their current park's built to withstand high river waters, which leads to dramatic photos like this http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/site_graphics/blogs/bigpicture/mississippi_river_flooding/bp14.jpg I still remember crawling under the chain-link fence into a blocked-off seating area to retrieve my first foul ball. It's hard to stop a four year-old from getting something they want! My parents moved us to Seattle in 1979 and I lived there for 20+ years, building a love of baseball and the starred-crossed Mariners. I'd been a card collector for that entire duration, but teetered on the edge of selling all my cards for $500 and calling it quits a few months before I found OBC in late 1998. OBC gave me a lease on collecting life I couldn't have appreciated until it happened. It's still easy to remember how much fun it was moving from all the flashy junk wax, with just a little vintage of my own, into the world of working back through sets from every decade of the 20th century. Over the years, I became an enthusiastic student of the game and its cardboard connections. I've built a type collection of almost all known #5s and continue to write about them at number5typecollection.com. I now live in Cambridge, MA, spitting distance to the prewar HQs of Goudey Gum and National Chicle and not far from where my paternal grandparents lived. I've served on the AC a few times, in both quiet and less-than-quiet years. If there's anything I hope people get from OBC's AC, it's a sense that OBC remembers the human side of our hobby. Before the Internet. Before the booms of the 80s and 90s. Before everything had a dollar sign stuck on it. It should be where we can come to swap stories, good or sad, baseball or ================= Date: 23 Feb 2018 23:46:09 +0000 To: Subject: Any LeBron fans From: bdangelo@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 23:50:59 +0000 Subject: Profiles in Porridge: Another OBCAC candidate's tale From: Taylor Schock My name's Taylor Schock and I'm on ballot for OBCAC as well. I've been a member for almost 6 years though I've never been on the AC. Was born and raised in PA, about 20 minutes from America's Oldest Brewery. I bought my first pack baseball cards in 1969 at the ripe old age of 10, though I think my first pack of cards was probably 1964 (maybe Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea). I grew up in a small town of less than 300 people, which meant you had to get along with other kids your age or you didn't have anyone to play or trade with. As with many of us, my dad gave me my love of baseball. He taught me how to throw a mean knuckleball, both overhanded baseball and underhanded softball. Grew up in Penn State country but as a contrarian, graduated with a degree in Physics from Pitt. Haven't directly used my degree since graduating, buthave been involved with computers in one way or another since a senior in high school (1976), and working in the industry in some manner or another since the mid 1980s, and currently with Oracle. Did everything but sales. While I grew up in PA, I've also lived in Denver for 5 years (loved it), Maryland for about 8 (hated it), and have loved living in North Carolina now for the past 20+ years. Was married with 3 great kids, and 're-married' to Kathy, a wonderful lady who couldn't be more supportive. My 2 boys (now both married) and girl (engaged) have so far provided me with 4 (soon to be 5) grandkids. We watch theclosest (who is going on 3) almost every Saturday, so that happily takes up much our free time. A bulk of the rest is taken up by cards. My "OCD lab" is a constant work in progress trying to keep enough stuff offthe floor so that I can actually find things. This is compounded by the fact that I have a wide variety of interests. A comic collection, movies, music (3 guitars), probably a dozen books that I'm in the middle of, along with a number of outside interests that will keep me from ever being bored. And when the season starts, I'll probably be a regular bike rider again to the Durham Bulls games, or hitting up 1 of the other 4 minor league teams within a hour's drive. Play ball! Taylor Schock ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 01:22:43 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Random waiver wire with more to come 1982 Bringhams From: Rob Bessette Hi guys, I just picked up a very large lot of cards. Cards ranging from 1970 -1991. About 25,000 that I got for $40. Basically, someone just wanting to clear out space. I'm not expecting anything big. It's more or less something to do in my spare time. Going to search for 1990 NNOF (yeah right) or 1991 Oil Can Boyd banner variation. Etc. One thing I have found that I think you guys might like is from 1982. I'm in Boston, and it's a regional set. 1982 Bringham's Ice Cream.Consists of 22 cards. Big names are Yaz, Ric, and Eck. I have about 20 complete sets all NRMT. I also have about 50 unopenedpacks. Would anyone want a complete set? I'm keeping one for myself, but that's it. Or unopened packs? I'd ask to shipping coverage if you don't mind since there's quite a few. Then I'll throw the rest up on eBay or CL. Or just donate them. I'll have a bunch more coming soon. ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 20:49:49 -0500 To: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random waiver wire with more to come 1982 Bringhams From: Rob Bessette 4 sets already claimed. Plenty more! Also if you have random 80s needs, let me know. > On Feb 23, 2018, at 8:22 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi guys, > I just picked up a very large lot of cards. Cards ranging from 1970 - 1991. > About 25,000 that I got for $40. Basically, someone just wanting to clear out space. I'm not expecting anything big. It's more or less something to do in my spare time. Going to search for 1990 NNOF (yeah right) or 1991Oil Can Boyd banner variation. Etc. > One thing I have found that I think you guys might like is from 1982. I'm in Boston, and it's a regional set. 1982 Bringham's Ice Cream. Consistsof 22 cards. Big names are Yaz, Ric, and Eck. > I have about 20 complete sets all NRMT. I also have about 50 unopened packs. > Would anyone want a complete set? I'm keeping one for myself, but that'sit. Or unopened packs? I'd ask to shipping coverage if you don't mind since there's quite a few. Then I'll throw the rest up on eBay or CL. Or just donate them. > I'll have a bunch more coming soon. > Rob ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:59:07 -0500 To: robsbessette@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random waiver wire with more to come 1982 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I actually have this set listed on my UV list. I can use the following or a complete set. 1982 Coke Brigham Red Sox: 3 5-8 10 12-3 15-7 19-22 header Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, Feb 23, 2018 8:40 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Random waiver wire with more to come 1982 Bringhams Hi guys, I just picked up a very large lot of cards. Cards ranging from 1970 - 1991. About 25,000 that I got for $40. Basically, someone just wanting to clear out space. I'm not expecting anything big. It's more or less something todo in my spare time. Going to search for 1990 NNOF (yeah right) or 1991 Oil Can Boyd banner variation. Etc. One thing I have found that I think you guys might like is from 1982. I'm in Boston, and it's a regional set. 1982 Bringham's Ice Cream. Consists of 22 cards. Big names are Yaz, Ric, and Eck. I have about 20 complete sets all NRMT. I also have about 50 unopened packs. Would anyone want a complete set? I'm keeping one for myself, but that's it. Or unopened packs? I'd ask to shipping coverage if you don't mind since there's quite a few. Then I'll throw the rest up on eBay or CL. Or justdonate I'll have a bunch more coming soon. ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2018 22:01:20 -0600 Subject: Sets in Album Survey From: mark zentkovich One of the things I am working on this year is to put some of my vintage sets from boxes into albums. I have a few questions I would like feedback on. Survey link below https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5QF9DT6 Thanks for your input Mark Zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:16:37 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 71 topps greatest moments set From: John Dahms I didn't know about this set til I stumbled upon an article. Looks pretty cool. Wondering thoughts on how do-able this set is? John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi 4 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:31:07 -0500 To: "jd3681@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set From: Michael Rich A very tough set. I know some have made more progress than I but in decades of looking for them at a reasonable price have only gotten 15 of the 55 Mike Rich Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2018, at 7:16 AM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I didn't know about this set til I stumbled upon an article. Looks prettycool. Wondering thoughts on how do-able this set is? > Thanks > JD > John Dahms > 310 E. Addison St. > Jackson Mi 4 ================= Date: 24 Feb 2018 12:47:39 +0000 To: Subject: Kent Montgomery project From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:23:45 +0000 To: Michael Rich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set From: Matthew Glidden I agree with Mike, Greatest Moments will be a tough one to complete, compared to contemporaries like the 1970 and 1971 Supers. Are there particular players or cards in the set that caught your eye? On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:32 AM Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > JD > A very tough set. I know some have made more progress than I but in > decades of looking for them at a reasonable price have only gotten 15 of > the 55 cards. > Mike Rich > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2018, at 7:16 AM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I didn't know about this set til I stumbled upon an article. Looks pretty > cool. Wondering thoughts on how do-able this set is? > Thanks > JD > John Dahms > 310 E. Addison St. > > Jackson Mi > > 4 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 07:36:51 -0800 To: "jd3681@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set From: Rick Very tough to complete I been stuck on 11 for ten years. There is about tenthat are easy to get but the rest are short prints or big stars. They are not cheap you would have thousands of dollars in it and many years to finish. Sent from my iPad > On Feb 24, 2018, at 4:16 AM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I didn't know about this set til I stumbled upon an article. Looks prettycool. Wondering thoughts on how do-able this set is? > Thanks > JD > John Dahms > 310 E. Addison St. > Jackson Mi 4 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:33:29 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Link From: "Thomas W. Billing" Looks like he is at it again. https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&= Wouldn=E2=99t it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D instead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D? Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 11:49:42 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: Ken M At that price, he can list it as whatever he wants. No one from this group is going to offer more than 3%. I honestly think the OBC in this case is short for (rare) old baseball card and has nothing to do with oldbaseball.com Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 11:33 AMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Link Looks like he is at it again.https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649Wouldn’t it be better to list this as a “Tipton” instead of “OBC”?Tom Billing------------------------------------Posted by: "Thomas W. Billing" ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html---------------------------------- ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 12:00:29 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: "Bob Donaldson" I offered $50 with a note that I assume $1500 was a typo :) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 11:50 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link At that price, he can list it as whatever he wants. No one from this group is going to offer more than 3%. I honestly think the OBC in this case is short for (rare) old baseball card and has nothing to do with oldbaseball.com Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 11:33 AM To: OBC Ramblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Link Looks like he is at it again.ht tps://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-O= BC/122983777735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT though discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 09:01:14 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: "Grant Rainsley" Humfff=E2=A6=E2=A6.and her I was thinking it stood for Off Base Completely=E2=A6=E2=A6. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: February 24, 2018 8:50 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link At that price, he can list it as whatever he wants. No one from this group is going to offer more than 3%. I honestly think the OBC in this case is short for (rare) old baseball card and has nothing to do with oldbaseball.com Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 11:33 AM To: OBC Ramblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Link Looks like he is at it again.https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssP= ageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: Geordie Calvert What did it stand for when our tag on ICQ got hijacked? Old Bitchy Curmudgeons? Or was that just Howard=E2=99s nickname? > On Feb 24, 2018, at 9:01 AM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Humfff=E2=A6=E2=A6.and her I was thinking it stood for Off Base Completely=E2=A6=E2=A6. > Grantr > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: February 24, 2018 8:50 AM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link > At that price, he can list it as whatever he wants. No one from this group is going to offer more than 3%. I honestly think the OBC in this case is short for (rare) old baseball card and has nothing to do with oldbaseball.com > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 11:33 AM > To: OBC Ramblings; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Link > Looks like he is at it again.https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?s= it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D instead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D?Tom Billing------------------------------------Posted by: "Thomas W. Billing" ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by > Virus-free. www.avg.com ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:21:24 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: Ken M It was Old Bridge Crew from Old Bridge, NJ. Steve Sankner has denied any involvement or knowledge of them, but I still have my doubts 😅😅Ken MSent from my not so smart phone.http://kenmorganti.weebly.com- Original message-From: Geordie Calvert Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 12:06 PMTo: Grant Rainsley;Cc: Ken M;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LinkWhat did it stand for when our tag on ICQ got hijacked? Old Bitchy Curmudgeons? Or was that just Howard’s nickname? On Feb 24, 2018, at 9:01 AM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Humfff…….and her I was thinking it stood for Off Base Completely……. Grantr From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Sent: February 24, 2018 8:50 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link At that price, he can list it as whatever he wants. No one from this group is going to offer more than 3%. I honestly think the OBC in this case is short for (rare) old baseball card and has nothing to do with oldbaseball.com Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com - Original message-From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 11:33 AMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Link Looks like he is at it again.https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649Wouldn’t it be better to list this as a “Tipton” instead of “OBC”?Tom Billing-Posted by: "Thomas W. Billing" -The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY informa eply to group • Start a New Topic • ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 13:50:54 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set From: "Sal Domino" The set is ridiculous. I=E2=99m only looking for the 2 Mets (Grote, Harrelson) and I haven=E2=99t come across one at a near decent price. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:24 AM To: Michael Rich Cc: jd3681@yahoo.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set I agree with Mike, Greatest Moments will be a tough one to complete, compared to contemporaries like the 1970 and 1971 Supers. Are there particular players or cards in the set that caught your eye? On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:32 AM Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: A very tough set. I know some have made more progress than I but in decades of looking for them at a reasonable price have only gotten 15 of the 55 Mike Rich Sent from my iPhone On Feb 24, 2018, at 7:16 AM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] I didn't know about this set til I stumbled upon an article. Looks pretty cool. Wondering thoughts on how do-able this set is? John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi ================= Date: 24 Feb 2018 18:51:12 +0000 To: Subject: My random thoughts From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:09:19 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set From: Doug DeJong For a while I was hinting for a decent Oliva from that set but gave up. Every time I found one, for the money there were other cards I wonder a lot more for that money. On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 1:50 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The set is ridiculous. I=E2=99m only looking for the 2 Mets (Grote, Harrelson) > and I haven=E2=99t come across one at a near decent price. > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Saturday, February 24, 2018 8:24 AM > *To:* Michael Rich > *Cc:* jd3681@yahoo.com; OBC Ramblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set > I agree with Mike, Greatest Moments will be a tough one to complete, > compared to contemporaries like the 1970 and 1971 Supers. Are there > particular players or cards in the set that caught your eye? > Spike > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 7:32 AM Michael Rich mikesportsfan@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > JD > A very tough set. I know some have made more progress than I but in > decades of looking for them at a reasonable price have only gotten 15 of > the 55 cards. > Mike Rich > Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 24, 2018, at 7:16 AM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I didn't know about this set til I stumbled upon an article. Looks pretty > cool. Wondering thoughts on how do-able this set is? > Thanks > JD > John Dahms > 310 E. Addison St. > > Jackson Mi > > 4 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 14:49:48 -0500 To: Bob Gray , Subject: US Mail From: "Thomas W. Billing" You can set up an email account on this site and get an email every morningdetailing what will be coming in the mail. Clicking on =E2=9Cpackage" tells you about packages and their tracking. I already know what will be here. It does not, to my knowledge, tell you when it has actually been delivered but we get our mail so late that is an afterthought. Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:10:01 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: Anson Whaley I'm just confused by the whole OBC thing. It's not bringing him any additional 'page hits' because that isn't something anyone outside of this group would search for. And since someone asked him to stop using it, he's only angering people by doing so. I don't know him and haven't dealt with him. But, even beyond the absurdity of some of his prices, he just doesn't seem too bright. On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Looks like he is at it again. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY- > ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/ > 122983777735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649 > Wouldn=E2=99t it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D instead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D? > Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:22:28 -0500 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: ShoelessWes I submitted a $15 offer.... Everybody just please flood this guy with a bunch of offers. Wes Shepard > On Feb 24, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm just confused by the whole OBC thing. It's not bringing him any additional 'page hits' because that isn't something anyone outside of this groupwould search for. And since someone asked him to stop using it, he's only angering people by doing so.. I don't know him and haven't dealt with him. But, even beyond the absurdity of some of his prices, he just doesn't seem too > Anson > Virus-free. www.avast.com >> On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Looks like he is at it again. >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3A= >> Wouldn=E2=99t it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9Dinstead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D? >> Tom Billing ================= To: "'ShoelessWes'" , Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:23:31 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: "Bob Donaldson" My $50 was countered with $1000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:22 PM To: Anson Whaley Cc: Thomas W. Billing ; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link I submitted a $15 offer.... Everybody just please flood this guy with a bunch of offers. Wes Shepard On Feb 24, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: I'm just confused by the whole OBC thing. It's not bringing him any additional 'page hits' because that isn't something anyone outside of this group would search for. And since someone asked him to stop using it, he's only angering people by doing so.. I don't know him and haven't dealt with him. But, even beyond the absurdity of some of his prices, he just doesn't seem too Virus-free. On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Looks like he is at it again. https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT &_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649 Wouldn=E2=99t it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D instead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D? Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:24:21 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: Ed Hutchinson I Offered him 1.82 and told him in the comments that if he was going to use our name, he should be willing to sell for what we are generally willing to I am now blocked from bidding on his items. That took all of 2 minutes... On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 3:22 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I submitted a $15 offer.... > Everybody just please flood this guy with a bunch of offers. > Wes Shepard > On Feb 24, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm just confused by the whole OBC thing. It's not bringing him any > additional 'page hits' because that isn't something anyone outside of this > group would search for. And since someone asked him to stop using it, he's > only angering people by doing so.. I don't know him and haven't dealt with > him. But, even beyond the absurdity of some of his prices, he just doesn't > seem too bright. > Anson > > www.avast.com > > <#m_-5560467728404760581_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' > billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Looks like he is at it again. >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR- >> CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/12298377 >> 7735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649 >> Wouldn=E2=99t it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9Dinstead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D? >> Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:24:59 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] US Mail From: Ken M Me: :::checks mail on phone:::"Hey boss, I gotta leave work early. I'm feeling a little PUFFY. It could be endocarditis or something."Ken MSent from my not so smart phone.http://kenmorganti.weebly.com- Original message-From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 2:54 PMTo: Bob Gray;OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] US MailYou can set up an email account on this site and get an email every morning detailing what will be coming in the mail. Clicking on “package" tells you about packages and their tracking. I already know what will be here. It does not, to my knowledge, tell you when it has actually been delivered but we get our mail so late that is an afterthought.USPSInformedDelivery@usps.govTom Billing-Posted by: "Thomas W. Billing" -The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:29:42 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link From: ShoelessWes I also reported the item. I listed reason as inappropriate listing description. I had to choose either vulgar language or copyright, so i used language. If the Malaysian or Pakistani ebay people want to know how, i'll just say OBC is some known acronym for old bitchy c**t Wes Shepard > On Feb 24, 2018, at 3:23 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My $50 was countered with $1000 > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2018 3:22 PM > To: Anson Whaley > Cc: Thomas W. Billing ; OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Link > I submitted a $15 offer.... > Everybody just please flood this guy with a bunch of offers. > Wes Shepard > On Feb 24, 2018, at 3:10 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm just confused by the whole OBC thing. It's not bringing him any additional 'page hits' because that isn't something anyone outside of this groupwould search for. And since someone asked him to stop using it, he's only angering people by doing so.. I don't know him and haven't dealt with him. But, even beyond the absurdity of some of his prices, he just doesn't seem too > Anson > Virus-free. www.avast.com > On Sat, Feb 24, 2018 at 11:33 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Looks like he is at it again. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/DOUBLE-STAMPED-INK-FACTORY-ERROR-CARD-MANTLE-LOCKMAN-1957-TOPPS-95-232-RARE-OBC/122983777735?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AI= > Wouldn=E2=99t it be better to list this as a =E2=9CTipton=E2=9D instead of =E2=9COBC=E2=9D? > Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 15:04:04 -0800 To: "jd3681@yahoo.com" , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps greatest moments set From: wite3 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:04:12 -0500 To: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Re: US Mail From: "Thomas W. Billing" This is the link I pasted in. If it does not produce something, let me know and I will research who told me about it. I do know you have to set up an account with user name and password, which thankfully my computer always remembers as I now do not. Also, I cc=E2=99d the group so that I could let them know that I placed a bid of $25 of that piece of trash that our old buddy listed. Knowing him, he will figure us out and accept my bid. We=E2=99ll see. Good idea about flooding him with offers. Tom Billing > On Feb 24, 2018, at 4:30 PM, KEVINM38@aol.com wrote: > Hey Tom, > This may be a great idea for me to do > having mail forward and all > but I clicked on the hyper link and it did not bring up a site? > Happy Trading > Kev ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:07:29 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: USPS Link From: "Thomas W. Billing" I just went to the bookmarked item and here is the link that likely will allow you to set up an account. https://reg.usps.com/entreg/LoginAction_input?appRMIN&appURLhttps%3A%2F%2Finformeddelivery.usps.com%2Fbox%2Fpages%2Fsecure%2FDashboardAction_inp= This way you can be notified ahead of time when toppsaholic send out your card orders-or anthrax. Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 19:16:41 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Super Bowl hits! From: Sean McGowan I just updated the pool numbers at: http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-18.htm Mike G has opened up a lead, and TJ is closing in on Bob N for 2nd place. If you haven't sent your cards yet (as I haven't!) get going, and email me numbers! You winners, update those lists every day! Go OBC! ================= To: Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 20:22:23 -0500 Subject: Re: My random thoughts From: "Greg Henthorn" Excellent post, Brian! I especially agree about getting that 1972 variation of Luciano. Also, about everyone being in the hole=85I=92ve thought about this a little, my thinking is that we have created pretty much an inverse Ponzi scheme, where the longer-serving members have contributed disproportionately to the newer members (it all starts with the welcome packages), and the way to pay back is to graduate to become an older member and give to more newer members. Kind of like life in general! -Greg H ---In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com , > wrote : Some may think it's na=EFve but I think people are good at heart. We may have different ideas and paths that we hope will take us where we want to be but we all want what is best for OBC. While I may not agree with every decision made I believe in my heart that the decisions were made with the same goal--to make things better/right. I think keeping that in mind helps me when I disagree. Just because something is done a certain way now doesn't mean it will be that way forever. Change isn't always fast (or fast enough). Quick responses seem like a great idea at first. My rule is always to think over my responses before I send them. With stress at work or home or life in general I may feel differently about a topic if I sleep on it. I have spent lots of hours typing things--rewording things and many times deleting things before I send them. I am older. I have said many things in my life that I'm sure I would regret now. But I lived most of my life without computers or social media that saves that moment forever. Once you hit the send button you can't "unsend" (That would be a great invention). I try to make sure that I want my words to always be connected to me---forever. '72 IN ACTION CARD I am older. I have tried to find this new Housley/Luciano creation but can't find it anywhere. Can someone post it or help me :) NATIONAL/CARD SHOWS My favorite OBC memories are from the Nationals and Philly show. Sitting on Sam's porch and relaxing with great food, a cold beer and great company. Sitting in a hotel room with Ed S waiting for the swap--and having the pizza finally arrive!! Having "personal shoppers" guide me to more cards than I could ever want (or afford). Realizing that I am famished and exhausted from sorting through Kurt's bins but didn't realize it until I finally moved. Having Mark Talbot literally throw a '53 Bowman from my list at me during a National "auction". Realizing that following other OBC'ers will lead you to the better tables--who needs a floorplan-- the "OBC hat" always marks the best tables. (blue light special in Aisle 1100-1200) ARE THANKS>CARDS? I love finding stuff from my lists and opening the mail from OBC. I really think I may be happier when I see a post from someone who appreciated what I sent though. IS IT POSSIBLE FOR EVERYONE TO BE IN THE HOLE? Logically in a zero sum world there should be a balance of those traders who are "even"--those who have sent more than they received and those that are "in the hole" (received more than sent). Is it just me or is there some magic at work that makes everyone feel that they should send stuff because they are in the latter group? Maybe that is why the group works so well. ANYONE REMEMBER ASTROS PITCHER MIKE SCOTT? The '86 memories may have included him if the Mets didn't win Game 6. He was throwing nasty stuff in that NLCS. How would game 7 have gone? Hope everyone has an awesome weekend!! Time to decide on my 2018 card goals-- kinda late to make stop procrastinating my #1 goal isn't it? Brian Betza ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2018 21:10:49 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] negative left From: Yahoo Well well well look who won the auction.! Lol let=E2=99s see if he looses them for me!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 22, 2018, at 21:01, Yahoo wrote: > Let one of us bid so he does not know it=E2=99s u. Lol > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Feb 22, 2018, at 20:55, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> In order to leave the negative I had to call them and the person sent mea different link so I could leave a negative. It took over half an hour todo as we had to try various methods. So, if you can't leave a feedback call eBay - they were very helpful. >> He or she is not happy - here is what they sent to me >> your such a bad human u got ur money back and u do this wow i will talk with ebay about this and u >> They don't realize that I want the cards not the money. I wonder if he will block me when I bid? >> Thanks again >> Richard ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Carl Woodrome Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 02:11:02 +0000 Subject: Carl's wantlist From: Aaron Shirley Hey guys. I've worked a little with new-ish guy Carl Woodrome to get his wantlist going. He's primarily been working on 1958 through 1961 Topps but recently added a bunch of stuff to expand his horizons. He asked me today whether he should go ahead and mention it to the group, and I figured I would do that for him. It's still a work in progress, but he's pretty much caughtup to what he has in store. Check him out! PS He might have an interesting story about what his brother brought over to his house today... I'll just leave it at that. http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/displaywl_db.php?wl_tagwoodrome ================= Date: 25 Feb 2018 11:26:00 +0000 To: Subject: A little about OBCAC Nominee Joe D From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 08:21:36 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970s waivers From: jdelott@aol.com 1971: 98 1972: 399, 297, 252, 168, 71, 10 1973: 238, 43 Please provide addresses Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 10:36:32 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, carlwoodrome@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Carl's wantlist From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Oh yes he should mention in to the group. That is an early OBCers wantlist. Great to see. Thanks Aaron. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings ; Carl Woodrome Sent: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 6:11 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Carl's wantlist Hey guys. I've worked a little with new-ish guy Carl Woodrome to get his wantlist going. He's primarily been working on 1958 through 1961 Topps but recently added a bunch of stuff to expand his horizons. He asked me today whether he should go ahead and mention it to the group, and I figured I would do that for him. It's still a work in progress, but he's pretty much caughtup to what he has in store. Check him out! PS He might have an interesting story about what his brother brought over to his house today... I'll just leave it at that. http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/displaywl_db.php?wl_tagwoodrome ================= Date: 25 Feb 2018 16:52:28 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Father Daughter doing yard work From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 17:40:28 +0000 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Carl's wantlist From: Matthew Glidden Thanks Aaron and Carl, for putting in the work, and we look forward to hitting your list! And we want to hear the story for sure. On Sun, Feb 25, 2018 at 10:36 AM rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Oh yes he should mention in to the group. > That is an early OBCers wantlist. Great to see. > Thanks Aaron. > RW > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC Ramblings ; Carl Woodrome < > carlwoodrome@yahoo.com> > Sent: Sat, Feb 24, 2018 6:11 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Carl's wantlist > Hey guys. I've worked a little with new-ish guy Carl Woodrome to get his > wantlist going. He's primarily been working on 1958 through 1961 Topps but > recently added a bunch of stuff to expand his horizons. He asked me today > whether he should go ahead and mention it to the group, and I figured I > would do that for him. It's still a work in progress, but he's pretty much > caught up to what he has in store. > Check him out! > Aaron > PS He might have an interesting story about what his brother brought over > to his house today... I'll just leave it at that. > http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/displaywl_db.php?wl_tagwoodrome ================= Date: 25 Feb 2018 18:06:34 +0000 To: Subject: OBC-Friendly Dealers- vintage hockey..... From: grains@shaw.ca ================= Date: 25 Feb 2018 18:09:05 +0000 To: Subject: Voting Problem From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 14:46:17 -0500 To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-Friendly Dealers- vintage hockey..... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Len Pottios of Platinum Cards is reasonable on off grade cards, but stay away from anything not in his bargain bin. I am not positive if I will be going to the Toronto show in may, but can shop for you if I go. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Feb 25, 2018 1:06 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-Friendly Dealers- vintage hockey..... So I have decided to zero in on my '61-'62 Topps hockey.......(46/66 right now). I have looked through the list of Dealers on our site, none seem to indicate they have serious stock for hockey. Anybody got a lead on a dealer I might contact for '61's? Much prefer to pay one reasonable shipping pricefor a decent size lot rather than the gouge I have to suffer going throughEvilbay. Thanks, Grant ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2018 23:16:30 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Spring training availables From: Dan Angland Good evening boys, watching a spring training game, so in the mood. Sunday night availables, no return fire needed. Please include your address and new guys don't be shy. 1955 Topps # 120 Ted Klu (trimmed) 1956 Topps all trimmed 9, 43, 51, 148 1957 Topps 87 1958 Topps 184 (trimmed), 195, 266, 413 (trimmed) 1959 Topps 132, 265 (gray), 265 (white, trimmed), 587 3/4 of card, a true Tipton 1960 Topps 109, 419 1962 Topps 304 1963 Topps 219 1965 Topps 2, 8, 136, 138, 205, 475 1967 Topps 103 1968 Topps 120 1969 Topps 221 2x, 632 1978 Topps Football 264, 480 1980 Topps Football 278, 288 Non-Sports1965 Fleer Weird-ohs #29 1977 Star Wars 243 (green)1978 Kiss (series 2) 72 ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 09:03:49 -0600 Subject: Topps archive/vault article From: "George Vrechek" FYI An article in the current SCD about the Topps Vault sales is now posted on our library page at the end of the section "All About the Cards." If you have bookmarked the OBC site, you may have to pull it up again to get updated contents. The article was based on a recent interview with Mike Jaspersen about Topps archive material in the market. George Vrechek ================= Date: 26 Feb 2018 15:08:11 +0000 To: Subject: Vintage eBay Seller: sadl-ethe From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 02:57:52 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Another question for the group From: John Dahms I have been picking up some obc condition 48-50 bowman for about a buck percard. Am I doing ok at that price point or should I not do any more.No hi's or stars Just wondering John Dahms 310 E. Addison St. Jackson Mi 4 ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 21:22:49 -0600 Subject: OBC Fantasy Baseball From: mark zentkovich 2 spots open for OBC Fantasy Baseball league free on yahoo sports head to head- 6 categories for hitters, 6 for pitching draft is Sat Mar 24 at 700pm if you want to play please let me know thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2018 22:51:08 -0500 To: "jd3681@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another question for the group From: "Thomas W. Billing" I think those are good deals. I would keep mopping them up, if it were me. Just my thoughts Good luck in collecting Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Feb 26, 2018, at 9:57 PM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have been picking up some obc condition 48-50 bowman for about a buck per card. Am I doing ok at that price point or should I not do any more. Nohi's or stars > Just wondering > Thanks > JD > John Dahms > 310 E. Addison St. > Jackson Mi 4 ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:00:37 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Before heading off into electronic silence...one last waiver. From: chris tripler Want to thank you everyone for being such great OBC members and helping outwith Dad and I's collection. * 1950 Bowman #76 (pretty nice)* 1954 Bowman #2 Jensen, 108 (PSA graded EX-MT)* 1957 Topps #s 28, 44, 51, 123, 186, 208, 225, 235, 242, 261, 383 (these are Tiptons I received throughout the years, thanks again).* 1959 Topps #556 Fox AS* 1959 Fleer #38* 1961 Post/Canadian (?) #155* 1969 OPC Marichal* 1974 Exhibit Baseball's Hall of Fame, Matthewson & Evers* 1975 Toppsminis, #s 16, 109, 132* 1977 Topps Cloth Puzzle # AL Top Center; & bottom left?* 1980 Kellogg #11, 41 and some hockey* '71-72 Topps #s 55, 61, 78, 89, 121 (these are pretty nice). Since, I'm officially inactive, I not able to log-in to see addresses. If you want any, you HAVE to provide your address. Thanks! ================= To: "'chris tripler'" , Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:06:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Before heading off into electronic silence...one last waiver. From: "Bob Donaldson" * 1950 Bowman #76 (pretty nice) * * 1959 Topps #556 Fox AS Thanks and good luck! Bob Donaldson 123 Westminster Ave Arlington, MA 02474 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 7:01 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Before heading off into electronic silence...one last Want to thank you everyone for being such great OBC members and helping outwith Dad and I's collection. * 1950 Bowman #76 (pretty nice) * 1954 Bowman #2 Jensen, 108 (PSA graded EX-MT) * 1957 Topps #s 28, 44, 51, 123, 186, 208, 225, 235, 242, 261, 383 (these are Tiptons I received throughout the years, thanks again). * 1959 Topps #556 Fox AS * 1959 Fleer #38 * 1961 Post/Canadian (?) #155 * 1969 OPC Marichal * 1974 Exhibit Baseball's Hall of Fame, Matthewson & Evers * 1975 Topps minis, #s 16, 109, 132 * 1977 Topps Cloth Puzzle # AL Top Center; & bottom left? * 1980 Kellogg #11, 41 and some hockey * '71-72 Topps #s 55, 61, 78, 89, 121 (these are pretty nice). Since, I'm officially inactive, I not able to log-in to see addresses. If you want any, you HAVE to provide your address. Thanks! ================= Date: 27 Feb 2018 12:20:58 +0000 To: Subject: Another Ebay question From: 233_23555@msn.com ================= To: "233_23555@msn.com" <233_23555@msn.com>, "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 12:35:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another Ebay question From: Patrick Wattigny You don=92t pay it and report it to eBay immediately. That=92s fraud, and that=92s a crime. Fr. Pat Wattigny Get Outlook for iOS From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 233_23555@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2018 6:20:58 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Another Ebay question I call upon OBC's ebay wisdom to advise me. What do you do when you win an item that was listed as free shipping and then after the auction ends the seller says that the shipping is not free? Thanks OBC, Jim Craig ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 07:59:26 -0500 To: 233_23555@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another Ebay question From: biggies@aol.com Ask the seller for clarification. If not happy with the answer open a dispute. -----Original Message----- From: 233_23555@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Feb 27, 2018 7:31 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Another Ebay question I call upon OBC's ebay wisdom to advise me. What do you do when you win an item that was listed as free shipping and then after the auction ends the seller says that the shipping is not free? Thanks OBC, Jim Craig ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 08:58:17 -0800 To: 233_23555@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another Ebay question From: Rick This may not be the same thing but I'm having problems with shipping costs with eBay also. One time said free shipping won item tried to pay and had $4.99 shipping on invoice so emailed seller twice to send new invoice because listing said free shipping. He finally did but gave me no communication so don't know why it happened. Another scenario that happen which may have been Jim case, Check to see if anywhere in the listing it says free shipping if over xxx amount. It will show free shipping in the listing and bid time but if it didn't get above that dollar amount it will get put back in at check out time. Multiple times listing will say xxx shipping I click to bid and shipping jumps way up during the bid process. Didn't notice it on several lots Ended up paying way more for shipping to not make them a good deal. Another time I caught it said $3 shipping but would jump to $4.50 when bidding so stopped and emailed seller why the difference and he said he didn'tknow why and it was happening to all his buyers and he was changing it back at invoice time so I bid. He did change it at invoice. All this in just the last month so I would check into it. Could be a glitchin eBay could be sellers are finding new was to squeeze money out of us. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Feb 27, 2018, at 4:20 AM, 233_23555@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I call upon OBC's ebay wisdom to advise me. > What do you do when you win an item that was listed as free shipping and then after the auction ends the seller says that the shipping is not free? > Thanks OBC, > Jim Craig ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 14:36:27 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Heading north From: Rick Going to go to a show near Vancouver this weekend to find some OPC cards. Hoping to meet Joel there but that fell thru, going to check for some hockeyfor Grant. Not a big show, 80% of the room is hockey so I might price whathockey is going for but hoping to pick up football and maybe some baseballfor the dupes box if I can find a good deal. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 05:43:34 +0000 Subject: T204 Ramly... discuss From: Aaron Shirley T204 Ramly cards... seem really beautiful to me. Anyone collect these? I've never even seen one, as far as I can tell. Has there ever been any "reuse" of this quite unique design, whether through reprints or the modern design reuse craze? ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 21:51:31 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss From: MARK MACRAE MIME-Version: 1.0 Great design and a great set. Very challenging to complete...not factoring in the cost. Reprints have been done, but only the image. The original paper stock is actually embossed and recreating such a set today would be very expensive...It seems to me that Perez Steele borrowed the design for at least on of their sets...Mark > On February 27, 2018 at 9:43 PM "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > T204 Ramly cards... seem really beautiful to me. > Anyone collect these? I've never even seen one, as far as I can tell. > Has there ever been any "reuse" of this quite unique design, whether through reprints or the modern design reuse craze? > Aaron ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2018 22:38:12 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss From: wite3 ================= Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 03:17:47 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... A short story From: Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 10:15:43 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss From: Anson Whaley They're great cards, Aaron. I have a couple but, as others have stated, a set is really difficult. Every now and then you hear of one. REA had a mid-grade set several years ago that went for about $70K. If you were starting from scratch, today, off the top of my head, I'm guessing a low-grade one would run about $25K. But that would mean finding everything in low grade and that could take a while to get the right buys. That's despite the fact that it's missing a lot of big names, like Cobb, Cy Young, Matty, and Honus. The key would be finding the WaJo in low enough condition. You can sometimes find PSA 1s for around $3K but it's usually a lot closer to five figures for anything even slightly above that. The problem with any rare set like this is that there are a lot of pre-war collectors dealing mostly in low-grade (me) so a lot of the low-grade stuff is off the market. It's mostly a matter of biding your time and waiting until they become available or overpaying for a mid-grade card you might not want. I've bought a few low-grade commons for about $40-$50 but they're usually closer to $100. You can get them for a little less for raw or beaters but, again, it becomes a problem of availability. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > T204 Ramly cards... seem really beautiful to me. > Anyone collect these? I've never even seen one, as far as I can tell. > Has there ever been any "reuse" of this quite unique design, whether > through reprints or the modern design reuse craze? > Aaron ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 16:35:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:45:35 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Love the Ken M. story about buying $7K worth of T204s at an auction for another -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 28, 2018 11:37 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss Loving the discussion so far. Never gonna work on the set. I=E2=99d be tickled to find a single card to call my own, and would call it done from there. After looking at the list on tradingcarddb my thoughts would be finding one from one of the St Louis teams. Quite a few Browns, less Cardinals...Depending on my work situation come National time, I may give someone a budget to try and find one for me! Keep up the good discussion!!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Anson Whaley wrote: They're great cards, Aaron. I have a couple but, as others have stated, a set is really difficult. Every now and then you hear of one. REA had a mid-grade set several years ago that went for about $70K. If you were starting from scratch, today, off the top of my head, I'm guessing a low-grade one would run about $25K. But that would mean finding everything in low grade andthat could take a while to get the right buys. That's despite the fact that it's missing a lot of big names, like Cobb, Cy Young, Matty, and Honus. The key would be finding the WaJo in low enough condition. You can sometimesfind PSA 1s for around $3K but it's usually a lot closer to five figures for anything even slightly above that. The problem with any rare set like this is that there are a lot of pre-war collectors dealing mostly in low-grade (me) so a lot of the low-grade stuffis off the market. It's mostly a matter of biding your time and waiting until they become available or overpaying for a mid-grade card you might not want. I've bought a few low-grade commons for about $40-$50 but they're usually closer to $100. You can get them for a little less for raw or beaters but, again, it becomes a problem of availability. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: T204 Ramly cards... seem really beautiful to me. Anyone collect these? I've never even seen one, as far as I can tell. Has there ever been any "reuse" of this quite unique design, whether through reprints or the modern design reuse craze? ================= Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2018 11:48:27 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss From: Mike Glasser I want one too now! Gee, thanks guys! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wed, Feb 28, 2018 11:37 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T204 Ramly... discuss Loving the discussion so far. Never gonna work on the set. I=E2=99d be tickled to find a single card to call my own, and would call it done from there. After looking at the list on tradingcarddb my thoughts would be finding one from one of the St Louis teams. Quite a few Browns, less Cardinals...Depending on my work situation come National time, I may give someone a budget to try and find one for me! Keep up the good discussion!!! Sent from my iPhone On Feb 28, 2018, at 9:15 AM, Anson Whaley wrote: They're great cards, Aaron. I have a couple but, as others have stated, a set is really difficult. Every now and then you hear of one. REA had a mid-grade set several years ago that went for about $70K. If you were starting from scratch, today, off the top of my head, I'm guessing a low-grade one would run about $25K. But that would mean finding everything in low grade andthat could take a while to get the right buys. That's despite the fact that it's missing a lot of big names, like Cobb, Cy Young, Matty, and Honus. The key would be finding the WaJo in low enough condition. You can sometimesfind PSA 1s for around $3K but it's usually a lot closer to five figures for anything even slightly above that. The problem with any rare set like this is that there are a lot of pre-war collectors dealing mostly in low-grade (me) so a lot of the low-grade stuffis off the market. It's mostly a matter of biding your time and waiting until they become available or overpaying for a mid-grade card you might not want. I've bought a few low-grade commons for about $40-$50 but they're usually closer to $100. You can get them for a little less for raw or beaters but, again, it becomes a problem of availability. On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:43 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: T204 Ramly cards... seem really beautiful to me. Anyone collect these? I've never even seen one, as far as I can tell. Has there ever been any "reuse" of this quite unique design, whether through reprints or the modern design reuse craze?