================= To: Date: Tue, 28 Feb 2017 20:48:19 -0600 Subject: Re: OBC protocol question: 1980-81 basketball? From: "George Vrechek" I couldn't resist responding by referencing one of my answers to FAQs on vintage set recognition levels: "The card has to have been issued prior to 1981. Yes, it can cover the 1980-81 hockey season and basketball season, as long as the playoffs for those sports did not drag on for an eternity." By the way, if anyone has moved into another set recognition level, let me George Vrechek ================= To: UVlist , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 02:53:49 +0000 Subject: MARCH MADNESS basketball wantlist sharing is LIVE NOW From: Aaron Shirley Welcome to MARCH MADNESS. The core of the idea is a live, shareable group of basketball card wantlists for everyone to work on together. Anyone in OBCcan add their wantlists, and anyone in OBC can edit others' wantlists to reflect what they're sending to them. It's automatically and immediately updated so everyone will always have the most current version. Here's the link: MARCH MADNESS Some guidelines for LISTING your WANTLISTS: - If you have ANY basketball card wantlists whatsoever, we'd love to see them. You can add your wantlists to the spreadsheet yourself, or email them to Aaron for him to add them for you. - The format is YOUR NAME, SET YEAR AND NAME, WANTLIST. This makes it easier for others to find the right lists quickly. - Note the tabs at the bottom of the screen which read VINTAGE and UV. Paste your lists in the appropriate section. Aaron will move stuff if you forget - no big deal. - It's okay to just add all your lists to the end of the page at once. You can then SORT them if you wish, by clicking DATA, then using one of the SORT options. But that's not really necessary. Aaron will occasionally sort the lists chronologically so they're easier for everyone to check through. - Please make sure your lists are WANT lists not HAVE lists, as it makes itmuch easier for the guys who are pulling cards to send you. - Please also make note of it, if you are working on a second or third or ninth - If at any time you make a mistake, just click EDIT then UNDO. Some guidelines for SHARING your DUPES: - If you have any basketball DUPES, we'd love for you to share them! - Please edit the list to take out the cards you're sending. It's not absolutely necessary, but it is very helpful, so the recipients don't get dupes. - If at any time you make a mistake after you've edited someone's wantlist,just click EDIT then UNDO. If you're in the process of editing a list, andknow it's wrong, you can just hit ESC on your keyboard and it will discardthe changes you're currently making. - Check back throughout the month, as there are several folks who keep adding new lists as time allows. Fleer February was quite successful. At least in terms of number of cards sent and received. So this month, there's a new feature: "RUNNING TOTAL." Each time you finish up a session of pulling cards to send people, count yourcards. Then go to the RUNNING TOTAL tab and put that number in column A torepresent how many cards you are sending. If you have any questions, just ask. Looking forward to seeing another great month of cardboard flying. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 09:57:30 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: question on '65 Topps Transfer From: biggies@aol.com So I have a stack of transfers, have never paid much attention to them, and I have identified all but 1. Larry Jackson. Not listed in the Standard Catalogue or Beckett's checklist. Al Jackson yes, Larry Jackson, no. Help! Thanks, Bob ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 15:56:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question on '65 Topps Transfer From: Aaron Shirley According to tradingcarddb, he has a 1965 Topps Transfer. Here is the link. There is no picture for it though. In fact,I couldn't find an image of it anywhere online with a quick search. According to PSA, five Larry Jacksons have been graded - but curiously enough, there were no Al Jacksons graded. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:57 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question on '65 Topps Transfer So I have a stack of transfers, have never paid much attention to them, andI have identified all but 1. Larry Jackson. Not listed in the Standard Catalogue or Beckett's checklist. Al Jackson yes, Larry Jackson, no. Help! Thanks, Bob ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 08:20:06 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question on '65 Topps Transfer From: Rick Yes I believe it's just wrong in the books and there is two hunts, as a 2ndbase and as a shortstop. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 1, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > According to tradingcarddb, he has a 1965 Topps Transfer. Here is the link. There is no picture for it though. In fact, I couldn't find an image of it anywhere online with a quick search. According to PSA, five Larry Jacksons have been graded - but curiously enough, there were no Al Jacksons graded. > Aaron > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 8:57 AM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question on '65 Topps Transfer > So I have a stack of transfers, have never paid much attention to them, and I have identified all but 1. Larry Jackson. Not listed in the Standard Catalogue or Beckett's checklist. Al Jackson yes, Larry Jackson, no. Help! > Thanks, Bob ================= To: Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 14:37:57 -0500 Subject: Remember these? From: "Bob Donaldson" Kinda cool. A blast from the past. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SPORTS-LOCKER-BASEBALL-FOOTBALL-TEAM-CARD-ST ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:55:42 +0100 (CET) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Bob Donaldson , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? From: T J VALACAK MIME-Version: 1.0 These were so awesome. I had one like the top two on the right. Had the stickers for each team, and that's how I would sort my cards. That's why every one of my original 78's that had players from multiple teams were cut. League leaders. Rookie cards. My mom never got rid of my cards, but the sports locker did not survive. I did pick one up on eBay about 10 years ago. Love T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm > On March 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Kinda cool. A blast from the past. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SPORTS-LOCKER-BASEBALL-FOOTBALL-TEAM-CARD-STORAGE-CASE-LOT-TOPPS-TARA-/381982514208?hashitem58efee9c20:g:ZqcA= ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 15:29:34 -0500 To: T J VALACAK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? From: Joel Freedman Sal has a sports locker. Mike McCann gave it to him at the 2016 national in AC. :) On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:55 PM, T J VALACAK tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > These were so awesome. I had one like the top two on the right. Had the > stickers for each team, and that's how I would sort my cards. That's why > every one of my original 78's that had players from multiple teams were > cut. League leaders. Rookie cards. My mom never got rid of my cards, but > the sports locker did not survive. I did pick one up on eBay about 10 > years ago. Love it! > T.J. Valacak > OBC member since August 2005 > http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm > On March 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Kinda cool. A blast from the past. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SPORTS-LOCKER-BASEBALL-FOOTBALL-TEAM-CARD- > STORAGE-CASE-LOT-TOPPS-TARA-/381982514208?hashitem58efee9c20:g: > ZqcAAOSw4A5Ysv8l ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 15:44:35 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Meet up at Mac's... Philly anyone? From: joe8941@aol.com Attended a little OBC meet up at Mac Wubben's over the weekend and had a great time catching up with Mac, Steve Rittenburg, Peter Mead and Mike Glasser. Highlights included a Mike Glasser education on non sports cards, had no idea how much cool stuff was out there. Also Peter Mead's binder of 50's rarities including Red Heart, Hires, Dan Dee etc.... Pretty awesome to check those out! Of course some cards were passed around as well, I'll cover those in the thanks section. Thanks to Mac and Alesia for hosting. Think Mac and I are heading up to the Philly show Saturday, anyone else? Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ================= Date: Wed, 01 Mar 2017 16:04:45 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? From: Ken M I still have one of the Topps lockers. Got it a long time ago when one of my childhood collecting friends grew tired of his collection and gave it to me (or he may have sold it to me to pay back some money he owed me, I forget). Up until a few years ago, it still had his 1981 Topps cards in it (minus all the stars he picked out). They were sorted by team, tucked into the slots with the team name stickers above them. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 3:37 PMTo: T J VALACAK;Cc: OBC Ramblings;Bob Donaldson;Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings];Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? Sal has a sports locker.  Mike McCann gave it to him at the 2016 national in AC.  :) On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:55 PM, T J VALACAK tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   These were so awesome. I had one like the top two on the right.  Had the stickers for each team, and that's how I would sort my cards. That's why every one of my original 78's that had players from multiple teams were cut. League leaders. Rookie cards.  My mom never got rid of my cards, but the sports locker did not survive.  I did pick one up on eBay about 10 years ago.  Love it! T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htmOn March 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote:     Kinda cool.  A blast from the past. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SPORTS-LOCKER-BASEBALL-FOOTBALL-TEAM-CARD-STORAGE-CASE-LOT-TOPPS-TARA-/381982514208?hash=item58efee9c20:g:ZqcAAOSw4A5Ysv8l  ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 16:05:19 -0500 To: joe8941@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Meet up at Mac's... Philly anyone? From: Mike Glasser Hi Joe: I'm headed to PA but to the Poconos to take my kids skiing. I'd much prefer the show though... Have fun and don't spend too much. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: joe8941@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 3:44 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Meet up at Mac's... Philly anyone? Attended a little OBC meet up at Mac Wubben's over the weekend and had a great time catching up with Mac, Steve Rittenburg, Peter Mead and Mike Glasser. Highlights included a Mike Glasser education on non sports cards, had no idea how much cool stuff was out there. Also Peter Mead's binder of 50'srarities including Red Heart, Hires, Dan Dee etc.... Pretty awesome to check those out! Of course some cards were passed around as well, I'll cover those in the thanks section. Thanks to Mac and Alesia for hosting. Think Mac and I are heading up to the Philly show Saturday, anyone else? Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 23:11:53 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1933 Goudey available From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I have a 1933 Goudey over on N54 that I am auctioning off...#141, Ray Benge. It's currently at $5, so I thought I'd throw it out there to the group in case anybody wants a pretty decent Benge card for cheap! Here's the link: Net54baseball.com Forums | | | | | Net54baseball.com Forums Discussions of vintage baseball cards, autographs and sports memorabilia. | Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 18:26:32 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Kid's Waiver Wire '50s-'80 From: Jake Brewer Its high time I did another one of these! In kind of a hurry, so I can't post specific condition details like I normally do- but its OBC, so shouldnt be a huge deal right? :) '55T: 70, 98, 106, 135, 141, 145 '58T: 214, 396 '60T: 213, 225 '61T: 4, 12, 13, 108, 124, 148, 163, 167, 195, 197, 216, 227, 251, 267, 323 '62T: 62 '64T: 31x2, 54, 72, 156, 189, 198 '65T: 118 421, 541x2 '66T: 5, 107 '67T: 9, 59, 71x2, 88, 96, 114, 129, 136, 171, 176, 177, 196, 223, 224, 274, 344, 345, 367, 425, 431, 435 '68T: 8, 12, 18, 19, 28, 38, 62, 93, 105, 109, 218, 219, 241, 242, 243, 248, 249, 261, 267, 283, 284, 292, 300, 342, 412, 436 '69T: 4, 5, 24, 38x2, 45, 48, 53, 59, 62, 76, 84x2, 89, 94, 97, 107, 117, 132, 139x2, 147, 158, 332, 386, 387, 404, 407, 439, 463, 469 '69 Deckle: 13 '70T: 242, 315, 539 '71T: 93, 133, 176, 343, 370, 567, 576 '72T: 28, 163, 200, 213, 232, 250, 314, 316, 413 '73T: 165, 450, 479, 607 '74T: 15, 61, 215, 460, 588, 596, 599, 600, 601, 602x2, 603, 604x2, 605x2, 606, '75T: 593 '76T: 45 '77T: 206, 291x2, 425, 472, 474, 477, 489, 490, 491x3, 492 '77T OPC: 239 '78T: 55, 419, 580, 624x2, 700, 709 '79T: 665, 700, 706, 708x2, 709, 710, 714x2, 715, 716, 717x2, 720, 722, 723x2 '80T: 100, 450, 662, 664, 675, 677 Claim one, claim all! -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 00:35:04 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: MARCH (MASTER SET) MADNESS From: Matthew Glidden Hi all, since I don't collect any basketball, posting a separate MADNESS ADDENDUM link to my moon shot at 1935 Goudey's Master Set. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CCIfPydGge2UVPUQmH0iHWIkYLiJA_7QL7s3SRVFwxw/edit?usp=sharing Good news: already have 35! Bad news: at least 141 to go! If you have any to trade or see lots for <$10/card, I'm more than willing to listen. And if you've got a Master Set Moon Shot of your own, let me ================= Date: Thu, 02 Mar 2017 00:37:40 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: MARCH (MASTER SET) MADNESS From: Matthew Glidden P.S. Minor correction, that's the 1936 Goudey Master Set. Also have a 1935 Goudey Master Set going...but that one's less crazy. :-) On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 7:35 PM Matthew Glidden > Hi all, since I don't collect any basketball, posting a separate MADNESS > ADDENDUM link to my moon shot at 1935 Goudey's Master Set. > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CCIfPydGge2UVPUQmH0iHWIkYLiJA_7QL7s3SRVFwxw/edit?usp=sharing > Good news: already have 35! Bad news: at least 141 to go! > If you have any to trade or see lots for <$10/card, I'm more than willing > to listen. And if you've got a Master Set Moon Shot of your own, let me > know. > Spike ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 20:41:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Yep have the vinyl one and the green plastic. I wish I had the box like this pic. I need a red plastic one... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/1/2017 3:37:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Sal has a sports locker. Mike McCann gave it to him at the 2016 national in AC. :) On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:55 PM, T J VALACAK _tvalacak@comcast.net_ (mailto:tvalacak@comcast.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: These were so awesome. I had one like the top two on the right. Had the stickers for each team, and that's how I would sort my cards. That's why every one of my original 78's that had players from multiple teams were cut. League leaders. Rookie cards. My mom never got rid of my cards, but the sports locker did not survive. I did pick one up on eBay about 10 years ago. Love it! T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 _http://www.oldbaseball.com/http://www.oldbasebal_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm) On March 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM "'Bob Donaldson' _obcbobd@gmail.com_ (mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@OBC-Ramblings-n_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Kinda cool. A blast from the past. _http://www.ebay.com/itm/http://www.ebay.com/ithttp://www.ebay.com/itm/http://www.ebay.cohttp://www.ebay.chttp://www.eb (http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SPORTS-LOCKER-BASEBALL-FOOTBALL-TEAM-CARD-STORAGE-CASE-LOT-TOPPS-TARA-/381982514208?hashitem58efee9c20:g:ZqcAAOSw ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 03:27:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? From: Aaron Shirley Content-ID: Not quite as cool as yours, but... here's my original vintage dupes box. I got it about 10 years ago. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:34:01 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Nicknames From: Wayne Delia I've been WMD since way before anyone was worried about WMD. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2017 22:28:57 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Philly show From: Wayne Delia Do I have this right? The Philly show is held in the Valley Forge Casino? My two biggest collections are baseball cards and casino chips. This'll either be a great time or a complete disaster. Hoping for a wash - will buy my cards with my casino winnings. What can possibly go wrong with that My only available window for this weekend is Friday, and I see that the show is open from 3 to 8PM. So, I figure to get there around noon, lose all my money by 1, and use the next two hours to find an ATM. Will bring my original OBC maroon hat in case I have to pawn it. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 06:54:49 -0500 To: Wayne Delia Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Nicknames From: Joel Freedman you will always be WMD! On Mar 1, 2017, at 10:34 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I've been WMD since way before anyone was worried about WMD. > Best, > WMD ================= To: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 08:37:54 -0600 Subject: Gar Miller Story From: "George Vrechek" As part of my continuing stories on the early days of the hobby, I'm doing an article on collector Gar Miller, who I interviewed recently. I have mentioned him several times in articles, but had never talked to him. Do any of you know him? If so, I'd be interested in hearing from you. He lives in New Jersey, started collecting in 1949, kept at it and has been selling his collection slowly over the last 30 years or so. He advertises in SCD and has a website http://baseball-cards.net/. He hasn't set up at shows since 1980. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 16:26:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? From: Shawn Smart These were the rage when I was a kid...I wish I still had my two. I can tell my childhood originals thanks to the bent corners these guys created! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 11:43 PM To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? Why do I have a recurring image of bullies trying to stuff Sal in one of these -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 8:41 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Remember these? Yep have the vinyl one and the green plastic. I wish I had the box like this pic. I need a red plastic one... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/1/2017 3:37:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Sal has a sports locker. Mike McCann gave it to him at the 2016 national in AC. :) On Wed, Mar 1, 2017 at 2:55 PM, T J VALACAK tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > These were so awesome. I had one like the top two on the right. Had the stickers for each team, and that's how I would sort my cards. That's why every one of my original 78's that had players from multiple teams were cut. League leaders. Rookie cards. My mom never got rid of my cards, but the sports locker did not survive. I did pick one up on eBay about 10 years ago. Love T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm On March 1, 2017 at 8:37 PM "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Kinda cool. A blast from the past. http://www.ebay.com/itm/VINTAGE-SPORTS-LOCKER-BASEBALL-FOOTBALL-TEAM-CARD-STORAGE-CASE-LOT-TOPPS-TARA-/381982514208?hashitem58efee9c20:g:ZqcAAOSw4A= ================= To: Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 15:35:08 -0600 Subject: New Article posted on Venezuelan card trips From: "George Vrechek" Our library page has an article that just appeared in SCD at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Venezuelan.pdf It is based on an interview with Pat Quinn who made the first trips and adds some info gleaned from Venezuelan card collectors. Thanks to Rick Lyons for the scrap book image he provided. George Vrechek ================= Date: 03 Mar 2017 00:10:10 +0000 To: Subject: Re: New Article posted on Venezuelan card trips From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 03 Mar 2017 01:41:17 +0000 To: Subject: Nick Names From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:43:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gar Miller Story From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Oh wow! Gar was great way back to the Prodigy days. Back then all our lists were on paper. I would send him a list, give him a budget and he would send me a box of cards. One of my all time favorite sellers. He would have been Prodigy Certified if we had such a thing. Glad to hear he is still around. I can't wait to read the article! Get some pics in there if you canLOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/2/2017 9:38:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: As part of my continuing stories on the early days of the hobby, I=E2=99m an article on collector Gar Miller, who I interviewed recently. I have mentioned him several times in articles, but had never talked to him. Do any of you know him? If so, I=E2=99d be interested in hearing from you. He lives in New Jersey, started collecting in 1949, kept at it and has been selling his collection slowly over the last 30 years or so. He advertises in SCD and has a website http://baseball-cards.net/. He hasn=E2=99t setup shows since 1980. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 2 Mar 2017 21:48:16 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wheaties Question From: ChicoD1@aol.com I have been scouring Ebay in my search to at least get one Dodger card for my list of just about every issue I can find (this is kind of my type card set, but I'm building the Dodgers). I have come across of few Wheaties, but in the "bible" I am seeing that there are quite a few fakes out there. Any way to tell what is and what isn't? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 01:33:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Article posted on Venezuelan card trips From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Once again George, you scored with this article. Great info for any of us. Even if you don't have a Vene in your collection, read good reading. Check out the other articles in the Library, might even like to reread a few (like I did lol)! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/2/2017 4:35:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Our library page has an article that just appeared in SCD at: http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Venezuelan.pdf It is based on an interview with Pat Quinn who made the first trips and adds some info gleaned from Venezuelan card collectors. Thanks to Rick Lyons for the scrap book image he provided. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 11:09:59 -0500 Subject: Philly Show Friday nite ..hotel room for 1 more From: ED SCHOTT I will be attending the Philly Show Friday and Sat. therefore I am staying at the Holiday Express and suites have room for 1 if someone needs a place for 1 nite call me 443 632 6137 ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 08:43:22 -0800 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More toppsaholic [1 Attachment] From: Rick He has a bunch of Venezuelans in need at triple the asking price from what they are worth. I've never bought anything from him cause we never get close. And he's donethe same thing to me sends me a big email to try and justify the high prices. I will neverbuy From him so now I offer on all his bin's just so he can counter or decline my offers to create Work for him. He is usually the over bidder on all the Venezuelan lots I bid on and he will relist the same/next day for sale at triple the cost he just paid before them even before he gets the cards. So after I use my three offers the price usually goes up also which I'm ok with to me it just means he'll never sell them. Then when he realists them then I get another Three offers then I do it to him again. I guess he hasn't caught on what I'm doing cause He has blocked me yet but I like creating work for him. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2017, at 8:23 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] > I hate to beat a dead horse but am having another go round with toppsaholic on eBay and wanted to alert you guys about it. I have attached a screenshot of the listing. The background on this is that I saw this listing and immediately made a best offer of $100 which, as you can see was counteredat $105 (what does that tell you?). The listing was for 135 and now you can see that he has jacked it up to $195 after this email exchange with me. I told him in my original offer for this pair that I had paid about $50 for a Johnny Hopp in the same set and felt that $100 was more than fair. I would not have made an offer if I had seen who it was and should be more careful as it opens a huge can of worms with this character. The last time I dealt with him, he called me on the phone and ranted for 20 minutes about why the item should cost what it does without letting me get a word in edgewise. His justification for gouging was that it was a one off and thus should be in high demand. If any of you want to buy this or other items from him, go ahead as you likely will not be branded the way I am. > Tom Billing > ================= Date: 03 Mar 2017 17:48:29 +0000 To: Subject: AUTOGRAPHS From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "'Mike Glasser'" , , Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 11:19:27 -0500 Subject: Re: Philly Show tomorrow From: "Matt Yudt" Will be a sad Philly Show for me as my good friend/dealer Joce Kaligis is getting treatment for bladder cancer (recurrence too) and isn=E2=99t doing the show. Just turned 80 last fall. Was going to go today but am going to go freeze myself on the golf course instead =E2=93 beautiful day, except for the temp=E2=A6 I will try and get to Valley Forge as early as possible Saturday AM and pull Wayne off the casino floor. Joe, Mac etc. you can text me when you arrive at 215-847-5760 Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 1, 2017 4:05 PM To: joe8941@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Meet up at Mac's... Philly anyone? Hi Joe: I'm headed to PA but to the Poconos to take my kids skiing. I'd much prefer the show though... Have fun and don't spend too much. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: joe8941@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Mar 1, 2017 3:44 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Meet up at Mac's... Philly anyone? Attended a little OBC meet up at Mac Wubben's over the weekend and had a great time catching up with Mac, Steve Rittenburg, Peter Mead and Mike Glasser. Highlights included a Mike Glasser education on non sports cards, had no idea how much cool stuff was out there. Also Peter Mead's binder of 50'srarities including Red Heart, Hires, Dan Dee etc.... Pretty awesome to check those out! Of course some cards were passed around as well, I'll cover those in the thanks section. Thanks to Mac and Alesia for hosting. Think Mac and I are heading up to the Philly show Saturday, anyone else? Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 14:21:45 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One Last One [1 Attachment] From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Kinda funny how he signed it "Jerk..." On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:18 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_-8544347905628806828_TopText> from Thomas W. Billing > included below] > Sorry to bother those who do not want to hear this, but here is the last > reply from toppsaholic. It is interesting that he resorts to calling me > names. > Tom Billing Sam Taylor ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 15:33:00 -0500 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] One Last One From: Yahoo I am a admin in a baseball Facebook page 25,000 members I bet he would hatefor everyone to see what a ass he is!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 3, 2017, at 14:21, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Kinda funny how he signed it "Jerk..." > =89=81 >> On Fri, Mar 3, 2017 at 2:18 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] >> Sorry to bother those who do not want to hear this, but here is the lastreply from toppsaholic. It is interesting that he resorts to calling me names. >> Tom Billing >> > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 17:16:59 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philly Show Saturday From: Andy Cook Who's going? I'm riding up with Joe and Mac. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 04 Mar 2017 00:19:50 +0000 To: Subject: Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 16:59:47 -0800 To: jehutch75@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage From: Rick Oh your stirring the pot now! Sent from my iPad > On Mar 3, 2017, at 4:19 PM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Here's my question- I am down to building 2 UV sets (2000 Black Diamond football, 2000 Black Diamond RE baseball) and I hate having a webpage devoted to 2 sets, each with less than 25 needs. Is it a OBC faux pas if I were to list these two sets on my main vintage wants page? I feel that if OBC members happened to have some of these few cards, they might actually see the needs- plus I wouldnt have to keep the second, sad little page with just two > Wanted to ask before I moved those 2 sets over. Thanks! > Ed ================= Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2017 20:09:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage From: Ken M Ed,  Here is the part of our Rules of Conduct addressing the issue:"Every member is placed on the directory page with a link to their wantlist. The page linked to the directory must contain a wantlist of exclusively pre-1981 cards. All primary want lists links will point to a page that contains only pre 1981 cards. Any member who sees a violation of the guideline can report the violation to the OBCAC" Now I'm not gonna be the wantlist police, but I am on the OBCAC - so if it comes across my desk, I have to "officially" tell you that you will be punished with extreme prejudice. "Unofficially" though, I have seen lists in the past with UV on them, usually at the bottom after a divider of some sort with a warning that the rest of the list may contain UV cards... or maybe it was just a rumor I heard. Happy collecting, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Mar 3, 2017 7:19 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage Here's my question- I am down to building 2 UV sets (2000 Black Diamond football, 2000 Black Diamond RE baseball) and I hate having a webpage devoted to 2 sets, each with less than 25 needs. Is it a OBC faux pas if I were to list these two sets on my main vintage wants page? I feel that if OBC members happened to have some of these few cards, they might actually see the needs- plus I wouldnt have to keep the second, sad little page with just two sets Wanted to ask before I moved those 2 sets over. Thanks! ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 23:49:47 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Re: Gar Miller Story From: Wayne Delia My story can, and probably will, get sappy and sentimental. I saw Gar's ads in Sports Collectors Digests (back in the day even before it was a 200-page weekly newspaper), did a similar thing as Sal did with him, using a monthly budget, and he'd send me a package of cards about every month that were very fairly priced and not bad condition. But he also supplied me with a bunch of early 1950's Topps and Bowman cards in gentle VG condition that I still have, including a 1953 Topps Satchell Paige for one buck, and a 1940 Play Ball Mickey Cochrane, Frankie Frisch, and Frank "Home Run" Baker, which started my pursuit of that set which is now 9 cards short of being complete. He asked about what I was collecting and he provided a lot of valuable guidance and "expectations management", telling me which sets were reasonable goals and which sets would be impossible to complete. He came to represent everything I would ever admire in an honest, friendly, knowledgeable, and respectable dealer, to the point where just the mention of his name or remembering "P.O. Box 177, Wenonah, NJ" brought me a really good feeling about the card hobby. My only regret is that I never met the man in person. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 00:21:41 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LMAO yeah that list has been like that forever. Took me like 20 years just to move the UV Mets to the bottom of the main page. Ken should just knock those UD Heroes sets so I can put that to bed! And I have the non-sports duplicated elsewhere. I need a web page clean up. Might be a good time forall of us to look over our web sites for a little maintenance. Good topic! Some might want to take a look at their pages for ease of navigation, make sure the links work, etc. Some might want to look into other places to host pages that come up with ads and such when you hit them. I know there has been discussions before regarding good places to host your want list. We can revisit that if anyone needs a hand. I've already begun rebuilding my NY Rangers page as some may have seen. Wasn't accurate, had a few picture issues. That one is almost set, once I go through my OPC's and other oddballs I have listed. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/3/2017 10:22:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: No, in fact your landing page doesn't really have any lists at all. Links to UV (or tabs like my page) are OK. What we're trying to avoid is something like :::cough cough::: Sal's page with :::cough cough::: the first lists are :::cough cough::: all UV. I need a glass of water. Excuse me, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: Yahoo Date: Fri, Mar 3, 2017 9:56 PM To: Ken M; Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage Does my want page with a 80's baseball link violate the policy. If so I want to change it before the national, you can't be associated with a rogue Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Mar 3, 2017, at 20:09, Ken M _cardclctor@aol.com_ (mailto:cardclctor@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Here is the part of our Rules of Conduct addressing the issue: "Every member is placed on the directory page with a link to their wantlist. The page linked to the directory must contain a wantlist of exclusively pre-1981 cards. All primary want lists links will point to a page that contains only pre 1981 cards. Any member who sees a violation of the guideline can report the violation to the OBCAC" Now I'm not gonna be the wantlist police, but I am on the OBCAC - so if it comes across my desk, I have to "officially" tell you that you will be punished with extreme prejudice. "Unofficially" though, I have seen lists in the past with UV on them, usually at the bottom after a divider of some sort with a warning that the rest of the list may contain UV cards... or maybe it was just a rumor I heard. Happy collecting, Ken M < /span> Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: _jehutch75@gmail.com_ (mailto:jehutch75@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Mar 3, 2017 7:19 PM To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Protocol on UV sets on vintage webpage Here's my question- I am down to building 2 UV sets (20 00 Black Diamond football, 2000 Black Diamond RE baseball) and I hate having a webpage devoted to 2 sets, each with less than 25 needs. Is it a OBC faux pas if Iwere to list these two sets on my main vintage wants page? I feel that if OBC members happened to have some of these few cards, they might actually see the needs- plus I wouldnt have to keep the second, sad little page with just two sets Wanted to ask before I moved those 2 sets over. Thanks! 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Never delete an email again with 1000GB of free cloud storage. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Mar 2017 20:29:00 -0800 To: Ramblings Subject: Need some help... From: Peter Iversen Hello to everyone in OBC-Land...! Most of you are aware that I have written a baseball novel...one that I pulled out of a story about old baseball cards that I started writing to this group in the late 1990's... The book, DIAMOND STARS, was picked up by a small publisher in 2013 but after waiting for three years we decided to get out of our contract and are on the road to self publication... Here is my question to all of you: I want very much to have Baseball Cards - the inspiration for my story - to be a physical part of the book. Of course, baseball cards are also at the heart of the story. It has been my dream to have old cards on the cover and a baseball card or two at the head of each chapter - one that shows players who are involved in the action in that part of the book. Over the last few years I have spent hours on the web searching for the right cards - after finding the ones I wanted (from 1911 to 1939) - I started to research what I needed to do to use these images for my book. I thought..."They're old - so it shouldn't be a problem..." The answer I came up after my search is: ...maybe yes - maybe no --or perhaps it would be more accurate to say-- maybe yes - probably no. The cards I want to use are almost all over 80 years old...most of the companies are out of business... but the bottom line still seems to be "...better be safe than sorry." It would break my heart not to use at least a few of these images - so I am reaching out to you all to see if any of you have experience with this kind of thing. I know many you have written articles and some have written books - so perhaps you have some information or a direction you can send me in so I can find an answer that has at least some wiggle room ...enough so I can feel confident about using an image or two... My book is fiction - about two very real All Star Games (1934 and 1984) with real details but the characters are made up. Unfortunately this may be my undoing...It seems that it is easier to use images in a non-fiction If you're still with me - thanks so much for taking the time to read this - I really appreciate it! I am always uplifted when I think of this wonderful group and the part you all have played in my life - even if we haven't met in person I feel your support every time I find an envelope in my mail box and whenever I look at my lovely old baseball cards (can't imagine having a tenth of them without Thank you never seems to be enough but has always been the sum of what we need to offer in this great group. So, thanks - I count myself among the luckiest of individuals on the planet. Peter / marcpeter ================= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 12:04:35 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Scratching an Itch...some DS stuff...and a waiver wire... From: chris tripler It's been a while since I was able to escape for a couple of hours to wander around my favorite local card shop...I was able to pick up a couple of odds and ends including a 8 hits to the '52T Black backs and a nice Minoso RCfor $7. I picked up five '33 Goudeys that he had for $8 a piece hoping to hit Guru's list...but to no avail. I did manage to pick up the two key coins in the 1965 Old London set. I don't collect these, but I thought the price seemed reasonable given they are EX+ condition. I bought the Aaron for $16 and the Mantle for $21, if you want either of these you're welcome to them for what I paid. (That's the DS part) WAIVER WIRE (i'll try to distribute evenly, address if you remember)Now, for the fun waiver wire...this was supposed to be posted in January, but...you know...life.1953T #63 Gus Niarhos1954T #1781955B #2071955T #59 (white back)1957T #s 4, 26, 74, 83, 2381958T #s 185, 315, 396, 456 (x2), 466 1966T Batman orange back #34 1974T Red Team Checklists* Angels (unmk'd), Astros (mk'd), Braves (mk'd), Brewers (unmk'd), Cubs (unmk'd), Giants (unmk'd), Padres (mk'd), Rangers (unmk'd) x2, Tigers (mk'd), White Sox (unmk'd), Yankees (mk'd), Yankees (unmk'd)** Cardinals (unmk'd), Orioles (unmk'd), Rangers (mk'd) Reds (mk'd) ================= To: Peter Iversen Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 12:55:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need some help... From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: 04 Mar 2017 14:50:24 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Need some help... From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 04 Mar 2017 15:21:47 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Need some help... From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 10:29:16 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: another waiver wire From: biggies@aol.com 1966 Topps Rub Offs this time. These are largely miscut. Pennants: Astros, Mets, Phillies, Tony Oliva, Jim Maloney, Ralph Terry, Bob Veale, Denis Menke, Bobby Knoop, Dick Farrell, Sammy McDowell, Eddie Fisher, Dick McAuliffe, Tony Conigliaro, Johnny Orsino, Jesus Alou, Ken Harrelson, Deron Johnson, Bill Monbouquette, Floyd Robinson, Johnny Lewis, Cookie Rojas, Tim McCarver, Ron Swaboda, Dick Radatz, John Roseboro, Jim Wynn, Fred Talbot, Joe Torre, Fred Newman, Jack Fisher, Mickey Lolich, Pete Richert, Ron Fairly Lemme know! ================= Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 18:10:32 +0000 To: davidluftig@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Need some help... From: Matthew Glidden To piggyback off David's point, you might already know the players from the 1934 All-Star Game who were active in the early 20s: Ruth, Jimmy Dykes, Gabby Hartnett, Bill Terry, Frankie Frisch, Pie Traynor, Travis Jackson, and Kiki Cuyler. American Caramel sets and other candy issues captured most of that decade's stars, if not as colorful as the 1930s sets. On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 10:22 AM davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Sorry, my last post may of been a bit confusing. Any work published before > 1923 should typically be in the public domain. Any work after that date is > typically protected for 70-95 years based on different circumstances. > Aim for pre-1923 and you should be absolutely fine. > -David ================= To: Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 14:04:57 -0500 Subject: Saturday AM in Valley Forge PA From: "Matt Yudt" Made it to the show shortly after 9 AM open and headed straight towards the men's room but wanted to make sure the guy from Ohio with great deals at the last show was there again. He was, and Ed Schott was already there too. Stopped to chat, started looking through his awesome bargain bin and the rest of the OBC contingent came by and went as well - Mac, Joe Adriance, Andy Cook. After about an hour and a great stack of cards for $110 I made it to the bathroom. Checked out some of the other regular dealers as well and the show was pretty full by 10 or 11 AM. The tables were sold out (that's a first in a while) and one my dealer friend's, Steve, was in great spirits and doing well too (that is a first for him in a few years!) I guess a new promoter and more advertising is boosting the presence of dealers and patrons. Great I say. A little visit to Uncle Dick for a big stack of Bowmans and then an OBC meet up for a short lunch. The DC guys had to leave early and so did I, but I managed to snag a badge from Steve and may come back tomorrow. Never saw Wayne. hope he made it off the casino floor! Come to think of it, I don't think I would recognize him. Lol. Cheers - and let me know if anyone will be making it tomorrow. Matt Yudt ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 14:16:42 -0800 Subject: 1957 Topps tough series From: Grant Rainsley I have been working hard at that tough series, and have come a long way in the last couple of months. Today i wondered WHY this series was so tough, and went scouring Dr. Google, to no avail. I retreated to the OBC Library, which has a wealth of info, but not that......... So....the question remains.......WHY was that series so tough? The previous and following series were plentiful. My mind is running rampant with hypothetical explanations.......everything from a factory fire to a major cardboard heist. And even more ridiculous possibilities, like somebody doing the 1964 Curt Flood hoarding.......... A virtual contact card with my new email address is attached to this message, please update your address book if you wish to stay in touch. ================= Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 22:48:00 +0000 To: grains1087@gmail.com, OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1957 Topps tough series From: Matthew Glidden Hi Grant, wild guess is something about 1957's new card size, color photo printing, or card stock was to blame, perhaps due to issues at the printer. Topps might've even been tight on cash for that particular print run. On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 5:16 PM Grant Rainsley grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have been working hard at that tough series, and have come a long way > in the last couple of months. Today i wondered WHY this series was so > tough, and went scouring Dr. Google, to no avail. I retreated to the OBC > Library, which has a wealth of info, but not that......... > So....the question remains.......WHY was that series so tough? The > previous and following series were plentiful. My mind is running > rampant with hypothetical explanations.......everything from a factory > fire to a major cardboard heist. And even more ridiculous possibilities, > like somebody doing the 1964 Curt Flood hoarding.......... > Thoughts? > Grant > -- > A virtual contact card with my new email address is attached to this > message, please update your address book if you wish to stay in touch. ================= Date: Sat, 04 Mar 2017 18:14:37 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1957 Topps tough series From: Ken M Grant,  I did a google search and it came up with a few articles discussing the set. None of them that I read difinitively answered your question. However I did find an interesting tidbit that might have contributed to the different levels of scarcity. The set was issued in five series. The first four were 88 cards each, but the final series is only 55 cards. If we assume Topps used the same size sheets for all five series, then the last one would have almost all the cards double printed compared to the ones before it. Since they usually cut production near the end of the summer to avoid getting stuck with product, they may have produced a similar number of sheets - but the number of cards in the mid series would seem to be scarcer than the DP'ed final series. How's that for a theory? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Grant Rainsley grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Mar 4, 2017 5:16 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1957 Topps tough series I have been working hard at that tough series, and have come a long way in the last couple of months. Today i wondered WHY this series was so tough, and went scouring Dr. Google, to no avail. I retreated to the OBC Library, which has a wealth of info, but not that.........So....the question remains.......WHY was that series so tough? The previous and following series were plentiful. My mind is running rampant with hypothetical explanations.......everything from a factory fire to a major cardboard heist. And even more ridiculous possibilities, like somebody doing the 1964 Curt Flood hoarding..........Thoughts?Grant-- A virtual contact card with my new email address is attached to this message, please update your address book if you wish to stay in touch.------------------------------------Posted by: Grant Rainsley ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of roups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= To: Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 20:12:32 -0600 Subject: Re: Need some help... From: "George Vrechek" From my experience at SCD, they don't have a problem using images of any "general" cards that have been produced. I have used cards from my collection in stories. I checked Wiki-Media commons which is a site that tells you what stuff is in the public domain and/or what credit to show. For Bowman, Play Ball and Goudey cards, for example, they explain everything is in the public domain with a notation that the companies did not renew their copyrights. T206s are also in the public domain for a different reason. They were produced before If you try Topps cards though nothing pops up on Wiki-Media. I recall something from the SCD editor about cards that have been in public auctions, eg eBay. Unless it is a copyrighted photo of the card or appears to be a one-of-a-kind card or image, it is also fair game I was told, but I'm not sure of the legal basis. I'll keep looking on that one. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 02:56:58 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Iditarod From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Every so often, I luck into something cool on one of my layovers...today was one of those days. I got into Anchorage last night around dinner time, and have the whole day off today, then fly out in the morning, back to Seattle. It just so happens, the Iditarod started today, right outside of my hotel! That was so cool!! I can't believe how bad thosedogs wanted to run...I guess nobody told them it's 979 miles to Nome. But they were yapping away, ready to go. When I woke up, the weather channel said "-5 degrees, wind calm" which I guess means it's -5 degrees. Unless it's actually -8 and they accounted for the heat/humidity index. Anyway, the dog teams all got off to a great start, I got some great Alaskan beer, and the sun is still shining...a great day! One thing you don't have to worry about, is your beer getting warm while you watch. Do we have any Alaskan OBCers? I love it up here. In Denver, we have 14K mountains, which are awesome...but we start at 6K, so they are really only about 8K above my house. Here, they go from the ocean to 20K...just mesmerizing, Anyway...a great day, so I thought I'dshare. Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Sat, 4 Mar 2017 21:59:55 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Saturday AM in Valley Forge PA From: Wayne Delia I made it Friday at 3PM right as the show opened, wearing my vintage maroon OBC hat. First stop was at Dick DeCoursey's table near the entrance - "Hi, Uncle Dick, I'm Nephew Wayne" and he squinted at my hat and said I must be one of the old guys in the group. No shit, Sherlock. Between his table and another dealer in Aisle 600, I picked up a third of the Topps 1954 set in about VG/Ex condition for a total of about $200, commons and minor stars. Also picked up a Topps 2017 Heritage base set due to my affinity for the Topps 1968 set. From a dealer named Herb, I got the remainder of my needs for the Topps 1967 Posters set. I did win a little bit at the casino, but not enough to cover all of my purchases - oh, well. Saw dealer Rich Altman set up who asked about OBC and seemed to be genuinely entertained by the story of the group's mission. I'm planning on going to White Plains at some point next weekend, to look for more Topps 1954's at high-volume bargain prices, but the rest of the month looks like a literal "sprint to the finish" as I complete my final sixteen days of regular employment at IBM. I'm retiring outright at the end of the month, and there's March Madness, 60th birthday on April 1, rehearsals and two concerts at Bard College, Kelly and I going to Reno, NV in mid-April, then Bronx, NY for a game between the Yankees (Kelly's favorite team) and Cardinals (son Joe's favorite team), finally daughter Lisa's college graduation from Hofstra University (which hosts a few quality metro NY area card shows). Never a dull moment in Wayne's World. ================= Date: 05 Mar 2017 03:32:20 +0000 To: Subject: Decent Basketball lot for cheap From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 03:44:48 +0000 (UTC) To: "JTysver1@msn.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Decent Basketball lot for cheap From: Patrick Prickett Somebody beat me to it. HOPEFULLY someone on here! On Saturday, March 4, 2017 7:32 PM, "JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Relatively cheap lot for a bunch of 70s hoops. https://www.ebay.com/itm/381977984183 Jay Tysver Posted by: JTysver1@msn.com The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouragedon Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGSserver, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 06:48:05 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: Iditarod From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I enlisted in the Air Force April 1977. My first airplane ride was to BasicTraining at Lackland AFB San Antonio TX. Technical School Keesler AFB Biloxi Mississippi where they turned a short order cook (me) into an air traffic controller. That=E2=99s where I got my first duty assignment: Eielson AFB Fairbanks Alaska. My bride (now ex) and I spent Thanksgiving 1977 at her parents house in Seattle, and the next day I climbed into my 1974 Datsun pick-up, and drove theAl-Can highway (1,200 miles of dirt road at the time if I remember) to ournew home. Actually it was so cold, the gravel was frozen most of the way, and it was like a paved road. We spent 18 months in Fairbanks, and my oldest son was born at the Army base there. We saw the Iditarod in 1979 I think. Good times, but I=E2=99ve never been back. ================= Date: 05 Mar 2017 13:48:13 +0000 To: Subject: Birmingham meet up From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 09:19:11 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Last call for Rub Offs waiver wire From: biggies@aol.com 1966 Topps Rub Offs this time. These are largely miscut. Pennants: Astros, Mets, Phillies, Tony Oliva, Jim Maloney, Ralph Terry, Bob Veale, Denis Menke, Bobby Knoop, Dick Farrell, Sammy McDowell, Eddie Fisher, Dick McAuliffe, Tony Conigliaro, Johnny Orsino, Jesus Alou, Ken Harrelson, Deron Johnson, Bill Monbouquette, Floyd Robinson, Johnny Lewis, Cookie Rojas, Tim McCarver, Ron Swaboda, Dick Radatz, John Roseboro, Jim Wynn, Fred Talbot, Joe Torre, Fred Newman, Jack Fisher, Mickey Lolich, Pete Richert, Ron Fairly Some of these have been claimed but many still left. Lemme know! ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 09:58:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philly Show waivers From: joe8941@aol.com Some extra stuff I picked up yesterday for the group, claim away 1960 Fleer: 8, 22, 35 1961 Post: 159 Wally Moon 1962 Post: 58 Frank Malzone 1962 Topps: 146, 163, 168, 286, 446 1968 Topps: 512, 519 1969 Topps: 660 1970 Topps: 570, 597, 604, 636, 643 1971 Topps: 559, 622 1972 Kellogg's Greats: 5 George Sisler 1973 Topps: 300 Carlton, 536, 609 Lopes RC, 620 1974 Kellogg's: 1 Gibson 1975 Hostess: 35 1976 Kellogg's: 19 Eck 1976 Topps: 650 Munson 1977 Hostess: 126 Bando 1978 Hostess: 140 Carew Include your address, I'll go through responses tomorrow and spread them around as much as possible. Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 11:41:50 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: March Madness Waivers From: Joel Freedman 1977-78 Topps Basketball White Backs 18 52 82 83 94 109 123 please include your address=85.. ================= Date: 05 Mar 2017 18:10:01 +0000 To: Subject: Nice HOF Set??? From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 13:13:08 -0500 To: wmcashton@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nice HOF Set??? From: "Thomas W. Billing" My fav is the 1948 Exhibit HOF set. It has 33 cards (two Ruths) and has good-sized Tom Billing > On Mar 5, 2017, at 1:10 PM, wmcashton@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Anyone have a favorite complete HOF set? One set that has all HOF players? > Bill Ashton ================= Date: 06 Mar 2017 01:28:55 +0000 To: Subject: Football HOFer waiver wire From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:54:15 -0600 Subject: Re: Iditarod From: "George Vrechek" I enjoyed the stories by Geno and Guru. It was like being there, minus the wind chill. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 19:57:04 -0600 Subject: Next Chicago Show From: "George Vrechek" The three-day Rosemont show will be 3/17 to 3/19. I contacted Fanatics to determine that this won't be an autograph-centric small show like the one they had last May, but will include the normal array of about 300 dealer tables. I'll be there, probably on Saturday. Let me know, if any others are coming. TJ sounded like he would make it as well. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 5 Mar 2017 21:12:10 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Nice HOF Set??? From: Wayne Delia I do, yes! It's the 1950-56 Callahan Hall of Fame complete set - all variations except for the Charlie Gehringer Black Hat version, which (speaking as a quasi-expert on the set) doesn't appear to actually exist, as no samples have been seen or verified. The "base set" was produced in quantity in 1950, and additional cards were added in 1952, 1954, and 1955. Happy Chandler was included as the commissioner of baseball, but his card was removed when he stepped down from the position, producing an early scarcity. The later year additions were extremely scarce, with the 1955 inductees (including Joe DiMaggio) painfully difficult to locate. Not many people know that the drawings, by Mario DeMarco, were not simply pen-and-ink or pencil line drawings, but rather they involved a complicated, time-consuming process of thousands of dots making up the picture. The evidence of a Gehringer Black Hat card was only a proof sketch in which he is facing the opposite direction from his regular card. In my opinion, this set contains both some of the most common and most scarce Hall-of-Famer cards in the 1950's. I've got a lot of duplicates of this set if anyone's interested - but very few "high numbers". ================= Date: 06 Mar 2017 05:20:12 +0000 To: Subject: World Baseball Classic From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: 06 Mar 2017 15:24:30 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Nicknames From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 11:55:45 -0500 To: ansonwhaley@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Nicknames From: ShoelessWes Cap was what i first thought of when seeing your name. Wes Shepard > On Mar 6, 2017, at 10:24 AM, ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I'm late to this party since I've been on vacation and tried to reply earlier, but don't think it went through since I didn't get a copy of it. But Doug DeJong was kind enough to bestow the nickname of Cap or Captain to me recently, because of my first name in connection with the great Cap Anson. > Captain seems a little presumptuous and while the meaning is the same, I suppose, Cap at least sounds less brazen. So I'm going with Cap. > Anson ... er, Cap > ---In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, wrote : > you will always be WMD! >> On Mar 1, 2017, at 10:34 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@... [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I've been WMD since way before anyone was worried about WMD. >> Best, >> WMD ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 14:25:39 -0500 To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Iditarod From: Joshua Levine I too have an Alaskan experience. About 15 years ago, My friends and I spent a week in Fairbanks, Alaska to see the northern lights. Our spur of the moment trip included the North American Open Dog Sled race. A very fast racearound fairbanks. The dogs are not the huge huskies built for long distance but are smaller stronger faster dogs. They got up to some incredible speed and the sleds are stripped down almost like skis connected by a walker. It was an awesome sight. Also that week, was the International ice sculptingcontest. The ice is pulled out of local lakes and is perfectly clear. Veryimpressive sculptures from miniature to mammoth. The Northern Lights were fantastic but the nights we went out were COLD (first night -19 with the windchill...second night -40 with the windchill...one of the coldest nights that year apparently). Also visited North Pole and Chena Hot Springs, natural hot springs just north of fairbanks that were amazing! Moose, rabbits, fox, eagles and a host of other wildlife was in and around the town (which issmall!). Also the U of Alaska has a great museum in fairbanks too. The other thing in Fairbanks that OBCers might find interesting is there isa Sports card shop there. Yep. At least it was when I was there. I bought a few packs and an overpriced '55 Bowman but heck, it has was the northern most card shop in the world!! I loved my time in Alaska and would love to get back there one day. -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, Mar 4, 2017 7:02 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Iditarod Fellas -- Every so often, I luck into something cool on one of my layovers...today was one of those days. I got into Anchorage last night around dinner time, and have the whole day off today, then fly out in the morning, back to Seattle. It just so happens, the Iditarod started today, right outside of my hotel! That was so cool!! I can't believe how bad those dogs wanted to run...I guess nobody told them it's 979 miles to Nome. But they were yapping away, ready to go. When I woke up, the weather channel said "-5 degrees, wind calm" which I guess means it's -5 degrees. Unless it's actually -8 and they accounted for the heat/humidity index. Anyway, the dog te ams all gotoff to a great start, I got some great Alaskan beer, and the sun is still shining...a great day! One thing you don't have to worry about, is your beer getting warm while you watch. Do we have any Alaskan OBCers? I love itup here. In Denver, we have 14K mountains, which are awesome...but we start at 6K, so they are really only about 8K above my house. Here, they go from the ocean to 20K...just mesmerizing, Anyway...a great day, so I thought I'd share. Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:28:59 +0100 (CET) To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... From: T J VALACAK MIME-Version: 1.0 I also think that lefties carry a tougher draw pitching in Fenway. But great pitchers can be great anywhere. With Price, I think this current elbow injury is more serious than is being led on. I think he struggles this year when he gets going, which I do not think will be opening day. The biggest concern to me remains at 3B - from before they even signed him.Because of his garbage contract, the Sox opted to remain pretty quiet during the offseason in terms of replacing Ortiz. Encarnacion was interested, but the Sox didnt want to give him a look, as it would mean being above the luxury > On March 6, 2017 at 3:40 PM "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > An interesting short read in the WSJ this morning about the Red Sox signing Chris Sale and last season's struggles of David Price. We all knowthe BoSox pitching staff is stacked--but will the fact that both Price andSale being left-handed make a difference? > Since 1920 there have only been eleven seasons where a southpaw had 15 starts at Fenway and an ERA under 3.50; three by Lefty Grove and Mel Parnell, two by Bill Lee, and solo seasons by Bruce Hurst, Herb Pennock and JonLester (the last successful lefty in 2008. > Lefty Gomez compared Fenway to pitching in a phone booth and Whitey Ford practically refused to pitch there--totaling only 87.2 innings in Fenway compared to 246.1 innings at Yankee stadium against the Red Sox (12 vs 31starts). > My read is that Price struggled everywhere last year as his Fenway ERA wasn't all that different from his road ERA: 4.11 at Fenway and 3.99 overall. But a bit concerning would be Sale's lifetime record pitching at Fenway--only three starts, 19.2 innings pitched with an ERA of 4.22. > Welcome to Spring Training, > Peter Mead ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:35:46 +0100 (CET) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] World Baseball Classic From: T J VALACAK MIME-Version: 1.0 My only interest is that no one playing for my team gets hurt. I'm not a fan. MLB makes a huge push to drum up some excitement. I really don't think it will catch on here. They have it in March. Teams are prepping for the regular season. Here in the US, we want our team to win the World Series. That's it. For the Red Sox, Xander Bogaerts is playing 3B for the Netherlands. Not sure that is helping his defensive preparation at SS for the Red Sox. But that's what's happening. With that being said, did you wake up early this morning and watch the game? T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm > On March 6, 2017 at 6:20 AM "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Is anyone else interested in this? Not that they have any chance, but Game 1 is Israel against South Korea. > I am very interested to see how they do and may set my alarm to get up for this 4:30 am est match. I was surprised to find out I get MLB in thecable package I have. Weird scheduling as Israel's game 2 is Monday nite at 10:00 pm. I am sure with the time difference that they are playing a nite game followed by an afternoon game. It is still weird to see 4:30 am and 10:00 pm games in the same day locally. > Mike Rich ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:27:00 +0000 Subject: Space 1999 cards From: Shawn Smart does anyone have interest in these if I picked em up? SPACE 1999 DONRUSS TRADING CARD BOX 24 PACKS NON SPORTS TV SERIES hide thisposting image 1 of 2 [1][2] [https://images.craigslist.org/00z0z_6mqth2As8qL_600x450.jpg] [https://images.craigslist.org/00S0S_cROi7hzgByL_600x450.jpg] SPACE 1999 DONRUSS TRADING CARD BOX 24 PACKS NON SPORTS TV SERIES SCI-FI For sale is a box of Space 1999 cards box says they were 10cents a pack andcame with a stick of gum They were made in 1976 by Donruss and Box of 24 packs that are crisp and clean. Nice vintage box contains 24 packs and box and packs are in nice shape Great collectible for the Scifi , Space or TV memoribilia collector ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:16:02 -0500 To: biggies@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade From: biggies@aol.com And like that they are claimed -----Original Message----- From: biggies To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 5:12 pm Subject: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade Trying to cook up a little swappin'. I have these Posties: 1962 #5 Mantle, 29 Brooks Robinson, 147 Mathews 1963 #123 Drysdale, 169 Banks Let me know if any interest, Bob ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 17:12:06 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade From: biggies@aol.com Trying to cook up a little swappin'. I have these Posties: 1962 #5 Mantle, 29 Brooks Robinson, 147 Mathews 1963 #123 Drysdale, 169 Banks Let me know if any interest, Bob ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:19:10 -0500 To: biggies@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I love computers. I go the e-mail of the cards being claimed BEFORE I got the e-mail offering them up. 30 seconds later I get the oops e-mail. GladI do not need any of these. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 5:22 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade oops, disregard please. -----Original Message----- From: biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: biggies ; obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 5:16 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade And like that they are claimed -----Original Message----- From: biggies To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 5:12 pm Subject: 1962 and 63 Post Stars availabloe for trade Trying to cook up a little swappin'. I have these Posties: 1962 #5 Mantle, 29 Brooks Robinson, 147 Mathews 1963 #123 Drysdale, 169 Banks Let me know if any interest, Bob ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:24:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] World Baseball Classic From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Depends on your version of "early". I was up late last nite/this morning, discussing OBCAC business. By the time I was off the phone it was 3 hours to game time. I went to sleep and did not get up until 7:30 am est. Game was tied in the 8th inning and ended up going into extra innings, with former Tiger Josh Zeid picking up the win as Israel upset South Korea in 10 innings. Interesting rules for the WBC. Pitch counts. If you throw 30 -49 pitches you must be given a day off. 50+ pitches results in 4 days off. Zeid ended the game with a strikeout on his 49th pitch. Another interesting rule is that if a game goes into the 11th inning or later, they start off the team at bat with runners on first and second. Reminds me of college football OT rules where you start on the 25 yard line. Israel's next game is at 10:00 pm est tonite. About 11 hours after the first game ended. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: T J VALACAK tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] ; mikesportsfan Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] World Baseball Classic My only interest is that no one playing for my team gets hurt. I'm not a fan. MLB makes a huge push to drum up some excitement. I really don't think it will catch on here. They have it in March. Teams are prepping for the regular season. Here in the US, we want our team to win the World Series. That's it. For the Red Sox, Xander Bogaerts is playing 3B for the Netherlands. Not sure that is helping his defensive preparation at SS for the Red Sox. But that's what's happening. With that being said, did you wake up early this morning and watch the game? T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm On March 6, 2017 at 6:20 AM "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Is anyone else interested in this? Not that they have any chance, but Game1 is Israel against South Korea. I am very interested to see how they do and may set my alarm to get up for this 4:30 am est match. I was surprised to find out I get MLB in the cablepackage I have. Weird scheduling as Israel's game 2 is Monday nite at 10:00 pm. I am sure with the time difference that they are playing a nite game followed by an afternoon game. It is still weird to see 4:30 am and 10:00 pm games in the same day locally. Mike Rich ================= To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 18:50:00 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... From: Yaz Not sure the higher ERA by Boston pitchers in Fenway is such a determining factor in their success. Most visiting pitchers to Fenway, Lefty or Righty tend to have a higher ERA at Fenway than other places with the exception of a couple of other hitter friendly parks. Boston traditionally fields a strong offense that can make a pitcher successful even when he gives up an extra run now and then as long as he doesn't let it get in his head. Sale's higher ERA in Fenway may have a little to do with the lineup he faced. Price on the other hand, did struggle everywhere with his command. Greg (yaz) On 3/6/2017 8:40 AM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > An interesting short read in the WSJ this morning about the Red Sox > signing Chris Sale and last season's struggles of David Price. We all > know the BoSox pitching staff is stacked--but will the fact that both > Price and Sale being left-handed make a difference? > Since 1920 there have only been eleven seasons where a southpaw had 15 > starts at Fenway and an ERA under 3.50; three by Lefty Grove and Mel > Parnell, two by Bill Lee, and solo seasons by Bruce Hurst, Herb > Pennock and Jon Lester (the last successful lefty in 2008. > Lefty Gomez compared Fenway to pitching in a phone booth and Whitey > Ford practically refused to pitch there--totaling only 87.2 innings in > Fenway compared to 246.1 innings at Yankee stadium against the Red Sox > (12 vs 31 starts). > My read is that Price struggled everywhere last year as his Fenway ERA > wasn't all that different from his road ERA: 4.11 at Fenway and 3.99 > overall. But a bit concerning would be Sale's lifetime record pitching > at Fenway--only three starts, 19.2 innings pitched with an ERA of 4.22. > Welcome to Spring Training, > Peter Mead ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:01:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philly Show waivers From: joe8941@aol.com Philly waiver wire is officially closed, lots of interest but everyone who asked for something will be getting something! Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Sunday, March 5, 2017 Jimi Thayer wrote: Hi Joe! I can use 1960 Fleer #8 and 22 for my set that is nearly done. And I can also use the 1976 Eck for my HOF Collection! Thanks, man! Jimi Thayer 77 Grandway Cout Howard, OH 43028 Sent from my iPad On Mar 5, 2017, at 9:58 AM, joe8941@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Some extra stuff I picked up yesterday for the group, claim away 1960 Fleer: 8, 22, 35 1961 Post: 159 Wally Moon 1962 Post: 58 Frank Malzone 1962 Topps: 146, 163, 168, 286, 446 1968 Topps: 512, 519 1969 Topps: 660 1970 Topps: 570, 597, 604, 636, 643 1971 Topps: 559, 622 1972 Kellogg's Greats: 5 George Sisler 1973 Topps: 300 Carlton, 536, 609 Lopes RC, 620 1974 Kellogg's: 1 Gibson 1975 Hostess: 35 1976 Kellogg's: 19 Eck 1976 Topps: 650 Munson 1977 Hostess: 126 Bando 1978 Hostess: 140 Carew Include your address, I'll go through responses tomorrow and spread them around as much as possible. Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 19:05:21 -0600 Subject: Slabcracker From: Yaz So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my set. The biggest one left of 5, (now 4), that I thought I got a good price on. It's main issue is a punch hole on the top of his cap. Probably VG without the hole. It's an SGC and it's graded Poor. No matter, Crack! it's out. Now I'm looking at the card and */"I'm Satisfied" /*as Mark Twain might write. But I wonder, why would anybody grade a card that's going to come back Poor? I mean, how can grading it increase the value if it's on the bottom and why advertise that it's on the bottom? A buyer sees the hole and is ok with it, maybe he thinks it's Fair and bids a little higher. Why? Inquiring minds want to know. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:14:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... From: joe8941@aol.com Interesting, Drew Pomeranz certainly agrees with you. His season went in the toilet when the Sox traded for him. I tend to think the Red Sox just haven't had much good left handed pitching over the years, I expect Sale to be fine this year. Peter or anyone else, is it possible to search Whitey's career home vs rodeera vs the Sox? Fenway has always rewarded lefty hitters, pretty easy to got the other way off the monster... Yaz, Papi, Boggs etc. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, March 6, 2017 hoot_owl1 wrote: An interesting short read in the WSJ this morning about the Red Sox signing Chris Sale and last season's struggles of David Price. We all know the BoSox pitching staff is stacked--but will the fact that both Priceand Sale being left-handed make a difference? Since 1920 there have only been eleven seasons where a southpaw had 15 starts at Fenway and an ERA under 3.50; three by Lefty Grove and Mel Parnell, two by Bill Lee, and solo seasons by Bruce Hurst, Herb Pennock and Jon Lester (the last successful lefty in 2008. Lefty Gomez compared Fenway to pitching in a phone booth and Whitey Ford practically refused to pitch there--totaling only 87.2 innings in Fenway compared to 246.1 innings at Yankee stadium against the Red Sox (12 vs 31 starts). My read is that Price struggled everywhere last year as his Fenway E RA wasn't all that different from his road ERA: 4.11 at Fenway and 3.99 overall. But a bit concerning would be Sale's lifetime record pitching at Fenway--only three starts, 19.2 innings pitched with an ERA of 4.22. 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From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:05 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my set. The biggest one left of 5, (now 4), that I thought I got a good price on. It's main issue is a punch hole on the top of his cap. Probably VG without the hole. It's an SGC andit's graded Poor. No matter, Crack! it's out. Now I'm looking at the card and "I'm Satisfied" as Mark Twain might write. But I wonder, why would anybody grade a card that's going to come back Poor? I mean, how can grading itincrease the value if it's on the bottom and why advertise that it's on the bottom? A buyer sees the hole and is ok with it, maybe he thinks it's Fair and bids a little higher. Why? Inquiring minds want to know. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:30:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Subject: 15 Years Ago.. From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, I hope this is not a breach any trade group rules but I got a kick out of this Here are the people I traded with back in 2002 Some Names that I still trade with, which is neat. and some old friends too.. It just flashed me back and I just wanted to share it Greg Whitehill 13x Vaughan Kastor 8x William McCaleb 4x Dan Rizzo 4x Ora Cropley 3x Mark Holland 3x Bobby Leonard 3x Troy Livingston 3x Peter Mead 3x Owen Sterner 3x Garrett Cull 2x Bob D'Angelo 2x Jim Fisch 2x Stu Gash 2x Mark Gilmore 2x Carl Kogut 2x Gary Mandell 2x Joe McIlvaine 2x Ken Ortolon 2x Richard Smith 2x Gary Sitze 2x Tim Stransky 2x Chris Anderson Dan Austin Chris Behrend Scott Brown Joe Dalton Randy Griffin Bill Gurtler Mary Helvey Billy Keenan Richard Kimball Rodrick MacKinnon Todd McGee Colin Mercer Jason Miller Ken Morganti Dan Parks Bill Reed Steve Rittenberg Taylor Schock Bernie Shaw Cliff Summar Thanks for the Memories Happy Trading Kevin Martens ================= To: joe8941@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com, Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 19:27:33 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... From: Yaz Wasn't Pomeranz damaged goods when the Red Sox got him. Seems MLB suspended the San Diego GM six months or something for shady deal. Greg (Yaz) On 3/6/2017 7:14 PM, joe8941@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Interesting, Drew Pomeranz certainly agrees with you. His season went > in the toilet when the Sox traded for him. I tend to think the Red > Sox just haven't had much good left handed pitching over the years, I > expect Sale to be fine this year. > Peter or anyone else, is it possible to search Whitey's career home vs > rode era vs the Sox? > Fenway has always rewarded lefty hitters, pretty easy to got the other > way off the monster... Yaz, Papi, Boggs etc. > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > On Monday, March 6, 2017 hoot_owl1 > wrote: > An interesting short read in the WSJ this morning about the Red Sox > signing Chris Sale and last season's struggles of David Price. We all > know the BoSox pitching staff is stacked--but will the fact that both > Price and Sale being left-handed make a difference? > Since 1920 there have only been eleven seasons where a southpaw had 15 > starts at Fenway and an ERA under 3.50; three by Lefty Grove and Mel > Parnell, two by Bill Lee, and solo seasons by Bruce Hurst, Herb > Pennock and Jon Lester (the last successful lefty in 2008. > Lefty Gomez compared Fenway to pitching in a phone booth and Whitey > Ford practically refused to pitch there--totaling only 87.2 innings in > Fenway compared to 246.1 innings at Yankee stadium against the Red Sox > (12 vs 31 starts). > My read is that Price struggled everywhere last year as his Fenway E > RA wasn't all that different from his road ERA: 4.11 at Fenway and > 3.99 overall. But a bit concerning would be Sale's lifetime record > pitching at Fenway--only three starts, 19.2 innings pitched with an > ERA of 4.22. > Welcome to Spring Training, > Peter Mead ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:10:14 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] World Baseball Classic From: t j valacak Content-Disposition: inline Sounds like the international rule we use in girls softball in the summer tournaments we enter, except we just have a runner on second. It's meant to get the games ended so they can stay on schedule. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-03-06 5:26:43 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] World Baseball Classic Depends on your version of "early". I was up late last nite/this morning, discussing OBCAC business. By the time I was off the phone it was 3 hours togame time. I went to sleep and did not get up until 7:30 am est. Game was tied in the 8th inning and ended up going into extra innings, with former Tiger Josh Zeid picking up the win as Israel upset South Korea in 10 innings. Interesting rules for the WBC. Pitch counts. If you throw 30 -49 pitches you must be given a day off. 50+ pitches results in 4 days off. Zeid ended the game with a strikeout on his 49th pitch. Another interesting rule is that if a game goes into the 11th inning or later, they start off the team atbat with runners on first and second. Reminds me of college football OT rules where you start on the 25 yard line. Israel's next game is at 10:00 pm est tonite. About 11 hours after the first game ended. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: T J VALACAK tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] ; mikesportsfan Sent: Mon, Mar 6, 2017 2:40 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] World Baseball Classic My only interest is that no one playing for my team gets hurt. I'm not a fan. MLB makes a huge push to drum up some excitement. I really don't think it will catch on here. They have it in March. Teams are prepping for the regular season. Here in the US, we want our team to win the World Series. That's it. For the Red Sox, Xander Bogaerts is playing 3B for the Netherlands. Not sure that is helping his defensive preparation at SS for the Red Sox. But that's what's happening. With that being said, did you wake up early this morning and watch the game? T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm > On March 6, 2017 at 6:20 AM "mikesportsfan@aol.com (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Is anyone else interested in this? Not that they have any chance, but Game 1 is Israel against South Korea. > I am very interested to see how they do and may set my alarm to get up for this 4:30 am est match. I was surprised to find out I get MLB in the cable package I have. Weird scheduling as Israel's game 2 is Monday nite at 10:00 pm. I am sure with the time difference that they are playing a nite gamefollowed by an afternoon game. It is still weird to see 4:30 am and 10:00 pm games in the same day locally. > Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 20:12:29 -0600 To: joe8941@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... From: t j valacak Content-Disposition: inline Yes he was. And the area Sox could have sent him back to SD. They opted to keep him. He was far from a difference maker. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: joe8941@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-03-06 7:35:32 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... Wasn't Pomeranz damaged goods when the Red Sox got him. Seems MLB suspendedthe San Diego GM six months or something for shady deal. Greg (Yaz) On 3/6/2017 7:14 PM, joe8941@aol.com (mailto:joe8941@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] > Interesting, Drew Pomeranz certainly agrees with you. His season went in the toilet when the Sox traded for him. I tend to think the Red Sox just haven't had much good left handed pitching over the years, I expect Sale to be fine this year. > Peter or anyone else, is it possible to search Whitey's career home vs rode era vs the Sox? > Fenway has always rewarded lefty hitters, pretty easy to got the other way off the monster... Yaz, Papi, Boggs etc. > Sent from AOL Mobile Mail > On Monday, March 6, 2017 hoot_owl1 > An interesting short read in the WSJ this morning about the Red Sox signing Chris Sale and last season's struggles of David Price. We all know the BoSox pitching staff is stacked--but will the fact that both Price and Sale being left-handed make a difference? > Since 1920 there have only been eleven seasons where a southpaw had 15 starts at Fenway and an ERA under 3.50; three by Lefty Grove and Mel Parnell,two by Bill Lee, and solo seasons by Bruce Hurst, Herb Pennock and Jon Lester (the last successful lefty in 2008. > Lefty Gomez compared Fenway to pitching in a phone booth and Whitey Ford practically refused to pitch there--totaling only 87.2 innings in Fenway compared to 246.1 innings at Yankee stadium against the Red Sox (12 vs 31 starts). > My read is that Price struggled everywhere last year as his Fenway E RA wasn't all that different from his road ERA: 4.11 at Fenway and 3.99 overall. But a bit concerning would be Sale's lifetime record pitching at Fenway--only three starts, 19.2 innings pitched with an ERA of 4.22. > Welcome to Spring Training, > Peter Mead ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 21:13:54 -0500 To: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker From: Yahoo I agree with Taylor you should have no worries about its authenticity. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 6, 2017, at 20:29, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Because it proves it's real and not a fake. > Regards, > Taylor > ________________________________ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on beha > lf of Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] ps.com> > Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:05 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker > So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my ================= Date: Mon, 6 Mar 2017 21:54:41 -0500 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker From: Anson Whaley All depends on the card - would I grade a card worth $50 that would be graded a Poor? No. But if I'm selling one where I'm trying to get like $100 or more, you maximize your return since most collectors want that added security with more expensive cards. Plus, some set collectors want only graded cards even if they're only building a lower-graded set. If you can submit a lot and have a $100 card graded for like $10 as part of a large submittal, it can be worth it. Case in point - I had a raw N28 Allen & Ginter baseball card in poor condition that I bought for under $100. I had it graded as part of a larger submittal and even as an SGC 10, more than doubled my money because it presented well (only had a pin hole) and removed any doubt of authenticity. Would I personally grade a $50 card? No. But if it's like $100 and you have a bunch to submit so that you're not getting beaten up on shipping fees, it might make sense. "Cap" Anson On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my set. The biggest one left of > 5, (now 4), that I thought I got a good price on. It's main issue is a > punch hole on the top of his cap. Probably VG without the hole. It's an SGC > and it's graded Poor. No matter, Crack! it's out. Now I'm looking at the > card and *"I'm Satisfied" *as Mark Twain might write. But I wonder, why > would anybody grade a card that's going to come back Poor? I mean, how can > grading it increase the value if it's on the bottom and why advertise that > it's on the bottom? A buyer sees the hole and is ok with it, maybe he > thinks it's Fair and bids a little higher. Why? Inquiring minds want to > know. > Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 06:35:37 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Guru Sells a Card From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Back in September I rambled about a rare card I found in the $5 box. 1952 Topps #163 Stan Rojek with a very rare gray back. I sent the card off the SGC for grading and it came back SGC 30. After some continued discussion withour expert on this matter (Patrick Prickett) I knew I wanted to sell the card. Patrick told me he thought that there are probably less than thirty ofthese cards in existence. So I put the card up on eBay, auction format with a starting bid of $500 (yes five hundred) and the card got one bid! To bad a bidding war didn=E2=99t break out LOL! Anyway the buyer paid quickly. I charged only $2.77 to ship, but lost a couple of bucks on shipping as I paid the USPO to add a signature. I didn=E2=99t pay for insurance since I=E2=99m only into the card for $5. Buyer signed for the card and left positive feedback. So a perfect transaction, but what surprised me the most was the sellers fee I was charged. PayPal fee was $12.11 and the eBay cut was $50.28 card cost $5 SGC grading fee $10 under charge buyer postage $3 pay pal fee $12.11 eBay fee $50.28 Total fees $80.91, so I still cleared $419.09 I know =E2=9CPower Sellers=E2=9D and those with an eBay store get a break on the fees that are charged. I knew there would be fees, so I=E2=99m really not complaining. And it is nice to make a few eBay purchases here this week with the funds coming out of my PayPal balance:) Can you imagine how much money eBay pulls in? At least they =E2=9Cthrow us a bone=E2=9D every now and then with those 10% eBay bucks! ================= To: Anson Whaley Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 06:03:53 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker From: Yaz Ok, I totally buy Taylor's authenticity explanation and Anson's volume submission makes lots of sense too, for a dealer. I guess I need to look at the bigger picture and not stay isolated in my set collector world so That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop crackin' though. Greg (yaz) On 3/6/2017 8:54 PM, Anson Whaley wrote: > All depends on the card - would I grade a card worth $50 that would be > graded a Poor? No. But if I'm selling one where I'm trying to get like > $100 or more, you maximize your return since most collectors want that > added security with more expensive cards. Plus, some set collectors > want only graded cards even if they're only building a lower-graded set. > If you can submit a lot and have a $100 card graded for like $10 as > part of a large submittal, it can be worth it. Case in point - I had a > raw N28 Allen & Ginter baseball card in poor condition that I bought > for under $100. I had it graded as part of a larger submittal and even > as an SGC 10, more than doubled my money because it presented well > (only had a pin hole) and removed any doubt of authenticity. > Would I personally grade a $50 card? No. But if it's like $100 and you > have a bunch to submit so that you're not getting beaten up on > shipping fees, it might make sense. > "Cap" Anson > On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: > So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my set. The biggest one > left of 5, (now 4), that I thought I got a good price on. It's > main issue is a punch hole on the top of his cap. Probably VG > without the hole. It's an SGC and it's graded Poor. No matter, > Crack! it's out. Now I'm looking at the card and */"I'm Satisfied" > /*as Mark Twain might write. But I wonder, why would anybody grade > a card that's going to come back Poor? I mean, how can grading it > increase the value if it's on the bottom and why advertise that > it's on the bottom? A buyer sees the hole and is ok with it, maybe > he thinks it's Fair and bids a little higher. Why? Inquiring minds > want to know. > Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 07:55:42 -0500 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker From: Anson Whaley No worries - and if it makes you feel better, I've probably acquired about 200 graded cards or so in the past few years. Of that group, I currently have only about ten still slabbed so I'm right there with you! Almost everything I have gets cracked and put into a binder. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 7, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Yaz wrote: > Ok, I totally buy Taylor's authenticity explanation and Anson's volume submission makes lots of sense too, for a dealer. I guess I need to look at the bigger picture and not stay isolated in my set collector world so much. > That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop crackin' though. > Greg (yaz) >> On 3/6/2017 8:54 PM, Anson Whaley wrote: >> All depends on the card - would I grade a card worth $50 that would be graded a Poor? No. But if I'm selling one where I'm trying to get like $100 or more, you maximize your return since most collectors want that added security with more expensive cards. Plus, some set collectors want only gradedcards even if they're only building a lower-graded set. >> If you can submit a lot and have a $100 card graded for like $10 as partof a large submittal, it can be worth it. Case in point - I had a raw N28 Allen & Ginter baseball card in poor condition that I bought for under $100. I had it graded as part of a larger submittal and even as an SGC 10, morethan doubled my money because it presented well (only had a pin hole) and removed any doubt of authenticity. >> Would I personally grade a $50 card? No. But if it's like $100 and you have a bunch to submit so that you're not getting beaten up on shipping fees, it might make sense. >> "Cap" Anson >>> On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my set. The biggest one leftof 5, (now 4), that I thought I got a good price on. It's main issue is a punch hole on the top of his cap. Probably VG without the hole. It's an SGCand it's graded Poor. No matter, Crack! it's out. Now I'm looking at the card and "I'm Satisfied" as Mark Twain might write. But I wonder, why would anybody grade a card that's going to come back Poor? I mean, how can grading it increase the value if it's on the bottom and why advertise that it's on the bottom? A buyer sees the hole and is ok with it, maybe he thinks it'sFair and bids a little higher. Why? Inquiring minds want to know. >>> Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 07:59:58 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: World Baseball Classic From: Robert Fitts Personally, I love it. I went to the finals in WBC 2 and watched Japan beat Korea in the best game I ever saw. It=92s a great chance to watch stars from around the world play. ================= Date: Tue, 07 Mar 2017 09:42:53 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker From: Ken M I bought almost all my 1948-49 Leaf SP's in slabs (and almost all of them were 1's). They didn't fit into the plastic pages like that, so I currently have zero in the holders. I didn't have any vintage cards slabbed up until last year's National, when I got a one year membership with PSA. That came with 6 free submissions. I used 3 to grade my gray back 52's (like Guru - and no Patrick, Reiser isn't one of them). I still haven't used the other three, although I am still deciding which three cards to encapsulate... My trimmed 52 Mantle (to authenticate it) is the only definite. Then what should I submit? 54 Bowman Williams? '68 white letter McCormick? '52 Mathews? T205 Cobb? Tough to choose.  Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Mar 7, 2017 8:22 AMTo: yazobc@gmail.com;Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Slabcracker No worries - and if it makes you feel better, I've probably acquired about 200 graded cards or so in the past few years. Of that group, I currently have only about ten still slabbed so I'm right there with you! Almost everything I have gets cracked and put into a binder.  Sent from my iPhone On Mar 7, 2017, at 7:03 AM, Yaz wrote: Ok, I totally buy Taylor's authenticity explanation and Anson's volume submission makes lots of sense too, for a dealer. I guess I need to look at the bigger picture and not stay isolated in my set collector world so much. That doesn't mean I'm gonna stop crackin' though. Greg (yaz) On 3/6/2017 8:54 PM, Anson Whaley wrote: All depends on the card - would I grade a card worth $50 that would be graded a Poor? No. But if I'm selling one where I'm trying to get like $100 or more, you maximize your return since most collectors want that added security with more expensive cards. Plus, some set collectors want only graded cards even if they're only building a lower-graded set. If you can submit a lot and have a $100 card graded for like $10 as part of a large submittal, it can be worth it. Case in point - I had a raw N28 Allen & Ginter baseball card in poor condition that I bought for under $100. I had it graded as part of a larger submittal and even as an SGC 10, more than doubled my money because it presented well (only had a pin hole) and removed any doubt of authenticity. Would I personally grade a $50 card? No. But if it's like $100 and you have a bunch to submit so that you're not getting beaten up on shipping fees, it might make sense. "Cap" Anson On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:05 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   So I'm cracking open a '53 Willie Mays for my set. The biggest one left of 5, (now 4), that I thought I got a good price on. It's main issue is a punch hole on the top of his cap. Probably VG without the hole. It's an SGC and it's graded Poor. No matter, Crack! it's out. Now I'm looking at the card and "I'm Satisfied" as Mark Twain might write. But I wonder, why would anybody grade a card that's going to come back Poor? I mean, how can grading it increase the value if it's on the bottom and why advertise that it's on the bottom? A buyer sees the hole and is ok with it, maybe he thinks it's Fair and bids a little higher. Why? Inquiring minds want to know. Greg (yaz) ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 18:30:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... From: Bob Reed Whitey's splits against the Red Sox are pretty extreme. In fact it appearsthat the Yankees might have avoided him pitching at Fenway whenever they could as he only started 12 games in Fenway compared to between 23 and 38 road starts against the other 6 original teams. NYY vs Bos at Fenway Park Rec: 7-6, ERA: 6.16, WHIP: 1.848, GS: 12, G: 19, IP: 87 2/3, H: 110, BB: 52, SO: 55, ER: 60, HR: 10 NYY vs Bos at Yankee Stadium Rec: 17-6, ERA: 2.23, WHIP: 1.210, GS: 31, G: 36, IP: 246 1/3, H: 220, BB: 78, SO: 150, ER: 61, HR: 16 PS: Stats courtesy of Baseball-Reference From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of joe8941@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, March 6, 2017 8:14 PM To: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fenway and lefthanders.... Interesting, Drew Pomeranz certainly agrees with you. His season went in the toilet when the Sox traded for him. I tend to think the Red Sox just haven't had much good left handed pitching over the years, I expect Sale to be fine this year. Peter or anyone else, is it possible to search Whitey's career home vs rodeera vs the Sox? Fenway has always rewarded lefty hitters, pretty easy to got the other way off the monster... Yaz, Papi, Boggs etc. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, March 6, 2017 hoot_owl1 wrote: An interesting short read in the WSJ this morning about the Red Sox signing Chris Sale and last season's struggles of David Price. We all know the BoSox pitching staff is stacked--but will the fact that both Price and Sale being left-handed make a difference? Since 1920 there have only been eleven seasons where a southpaw had 15 starts at Fenway and an ERA under 3.50; three by Lefty Grove and Mel Parnell, two by Bill Lee, and solo seasons by Bruce Hurst, Herb Pennock and Jon Lester (the last successful lefty in 2008. Lefty Gomez compared Fenway to pitching in a phone booth and Whitey Ford practically refused to pitch there--totaling only 87.2 innings in Fenway compared to 246.1 innings at Yankee stadium against the Red Sox (12 vs 31 starts). My read is that Price struggled everywhere last year as his Fenway E RA wasn't all that different from his road ERA: 4.11 at Fenway and 3.99 overall.But a bit concerning would be Sale's lifetime record pitching at Fenway--only three starts, 19.2 innings pitched with an ERA of 4.22. Welcome to Spring Training, Peter Mead ================= Date: 07 Mar 2017 22:08:13 +0000 To: Subject: On my desk waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 7 Mar 2017 23:04:57 +0000 Subject: small MARCH MADNESS waiver From: Aaron Shirley Maybe someone can use these? 1973-74 Topps Basketball sticker insert: Golden State Warriors logo on top and Kings pennant on bottom. 1978-79 Fleer Basketball sticker insert: Kansas City Kings logo. A few more on the UV server in a few minutes. MARCH MADNESS LINK ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 02:30:01 +0000 Subject: What are these? From: Aaron Shirley Content-ID: <24BCAD07D1FD7E4EBBEC988635A6ED76@sct-15-1-789-14-msonline-outlook-ade8c.templateTenant> I've only been able to narrow it down to about 1972-1975, based on the years all three were on the right teams. I would guess they were meant for autographs since there's a big open space. I'm keeping the Gibson for my Cardinals collection, but does anyone want one or both of the other two? ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 02:03:01 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 66 SP Hi's From: ChicoD1@aol.com Anyone want to make a pitch to this guy and form a coalition? I only need 3- 544 Cards Rookies, 547 Clarke, 561 Coleman. That will bring me down to needing 3 to complete the set... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-TOPPS-LOT-SP-589-570-566-563-562-561-556-555-55 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 08:19:23 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Gurus Wauction #5 From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D #5 (A combination =E2=9CWaiver-Wire=E2=9D and =E2=9CAuction=E2=9D) rules: send me a private email message telling me what lot number/numbers you would like to have. No limit on how many lots you request, but you can only win one lot. I=E2=99ll keep track of who is interested in each lot, and draw the winner out of the =E2=9Csplatter=E2=9D cover that sits on top of my microwave oven. Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D ends this Sunday at 6AM EST, with =E2=9CWauction Winners=E2=9D announced. The =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D catalog will be published on the OBC Facebook 1. 1962 Topps baseball #18 =E2=9CManagers Dream=E2=9D with Mickey Mantle and Willie Mays. Well centered card but has a bite mark upper right corner, and also along Micks neck. Really, the top 1/3 of the card is messed up, but at arms length it=E2=99s not too bad LOL! 2. 1962 Topps baseball #591 Rookie Parade =E2=9CPitchers=E2=9D w Sam McDowell and Dick Radatz among the five floating heads. G-VG condition a really nice card! =E2=9962 high number =E2=9CRookie Parade=E2=9D cards are on every set collectors wantlist! 3. 1959 Topps baseball #464 =E2=9CBASEBALL THRILLS=E2=9D =E2=9CMays Catch Makes Series History=E2=9D. Did you follow the =E2=9Cdust-up=E2=9D on Net54 surrounding that =E2=9Ccleaned up=E2=9D 1936 Goudey World Wide Gum DiMaggio? Here at Gurus Wauction, we always disclose any =E2=9Cdoctoring=E2=9D attempts! The front paper had peeled off the upper right corner of this card. We had a duplicate that was in bad shape, except for the upper right corner. So the paper from this upper right corner was =E2=9Cexact-o-knifed=E2=9C off one card and glued onto this card.No attempt was made to fix the thumb tack hole. 4. 1953 Bowman Color baseball #9 Phil Rizzuto. F condition card is completebut round corners and numerous creases. =E2=9CThe Scooter=E2=9D is pictured laying down a bunt, a classic card of this Hall of Fame Yankee great! 5. 1962 Topps baseball #394 Hank Aaron =E2=9CSporting News All-Star=E2=9D. F-G card is creased, and the back is stained and kind of faded. This card is a beauty! 6. 1964 Topps baseball #11 NL R.B.I. Leaders with Hank Aaron. we actually have two of these cards, so the under-bidder will get one too! The second card has some math homework on the back in black sharpie, no charge! 7. 1956 Topps baseball #130 Willie Mays (gray back) well centered card would grade G-VG except the original owner ink scribbled all over Willies face,including ink drawn glasses and blacked out teeth. 8. 1955 Bowman baseball #103 Eddie Mathews. Another duplicate card, so the under-bidder will also receive a card! The main auction card is pretty nice, but two corners on the front suffer from paper loss due to tape removal.The back up card is scuffed and also trimmed to the size of a standard size baseball card. 9. Vintage Brooklyn Dodger lot of two cards! 1952 Bowman baseball #116 DukeSnider great color but rodent damaged corner and top. Also has some glue residue on the back. The second card 1951 Bowman baseball #7 Gil Hodges has the left and right borders trimmed off. 10. 1952 Topps baseball #250 Carl Erskine (Brooklyn). Solid G-VG complete card, except three corners are =E2=9Cclipped=E2=9D. ================= Date: 08 Mar 2017 14:39:16 +0000 To: Subject: Gavel Snipe From: bskp1@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 14:41:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe From: JAY TYSVER Same here. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:39 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe I have not been able to access this site for about 24 hours now. Anyone else? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 14:44:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe From: Taylor Schock From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:41 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe Same here. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 8:39 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe I have not been able to access this site for about 24 hours now. Anyone else? ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 09:46:17 -0500 To: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe From: Yahoo I just tired it would not load for me either. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 8, 2017, at 09:39, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have not been able to access this site for about 24 hours now. Anyone else? > BR, > Chuck ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 10:07:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Which Would You Rather Have? From: jdelott@aol.com As usual, I chased a card for a millenium, only to win it in two auctions at the same time. Would you keep the A or the VG? Jeffrey Delott ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 15:32:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which Would You Rather Have? [1 Attachment] From: Aaron Shirley Depends. Why is it graded authentic? I didn't see anything wrong with it. And it also depends on which you NEED more: do you "need" to keep the nicerone or do you "need" the money from selling the nicer one. Regardless, congrats on winning. Aaaaannnnd, congrats on winning. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of jdelott@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:07 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Which Would You Rather Have? [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from jdelott@aol.com included below] As usual, I chased a card for a millenium, only to win it in two auctions at the same time. Would you keep the A or the VG? Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Wed, 08 Mar 2017 11:09:58 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: add 1934 Batter Ups to wantlist From: Robert Fitts I just added a new set- 1934 Batter Ups. I=92m looking for any of of these- missing tops referred 1934 R318 Batter Ups 2 Ed Brandt 3 Al Lopez 4 Dick Bartell 5 Carl Hubbell 6 Bill Terry 7 Pepper Martin 9 Tommy Bridges 10 Rick Ferrell 11 Ray Benge 12 Wes Ferrell 13 Chalmer Cissell 14 Pie Traynor 15 Leroy Mahaffey 16 Chick Hafey 17Lloyd Waner 18 Jack Burns 20 Bob Johnson 21 Arky Vaughan 22 Red Rolfe23 Lefty Gomez 24 Earl Averill 25 Mickey Cochrane 26 Van Lingle Mungo 27 Mel Ott 28 Jimmie Foxx 29 Jimmy Dykes 30 Bill Dickey 31 Lefty Grove32 Joe Cronin 33 Frankie Frisch 34 Al Simmons 35 Rogers Hornsby 36 Ted Lyons 37 Rabbit Maranville 38 Jimmy Wilson 39 Willie Kamm 40 Bill Hallahan 41 Gus Suhr (ordered)42 Charley Gehringer 43 Joe Heving 44 Adam Comorosky 45 Tony Lazzeri 47 Bob Smith (ordered)48 Willis Hudlin (ordered)49 Carl Reynolds (ordered)51 Cookie Lavagetto 52 Hal Schumacher 55 Ollie Bejma 56 Sam Byrd 57 Hank Greenberg58 Bill Knickerbocker (ordered)60 Eddie Morgan 63 Roy Johnson 65 Zeke Bonura 66 Fred Marberry 67 Gus Mancuso (ordered) 73 Hack Wilson 76 Ethan Allen (ordered)78 Rip Collins (ordered)79 Tony Cuccinello 80 Joe Kuhel (ordered) ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 12:50:24 -0500 To: jdelott@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which Would You Rather Have? [1 Attachment] From: Anson Whaley I'd almost always have the A but I collect older stuff and condition is less of a factor for me. I will buy cards graded above a 2 but usually only if I cannot find it in a lower grade. For example, I splurged on an Addie Joss T205 PSA 3 last year but would happily sell it if I could acquire a lower-grade one and use the difference to buy more cards. I cannot be alone in that philosophy :) 'Cap' Anson On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 10:07 AM, jdelott@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_355843495691404525_TopText> from jdelott@aol.com > included below] > As usual, I chased a card for a millenium, only to win it in two auctions > at the same time. Would you keep the A or the VG? > Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: 08 Mar 2017 18:57:09 +0000 To: Subject: Productive Lunch Break From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:21:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break From: Aaron Shirley That's so cool. Great haul! There's a shop near a friend's house that we visit once or twice a year. They have multiple monster boxes for each year. All perfectly sorted, too. I think next time we go up for a visit, I'll bring a Milton Bradley number list. Because for sure, they wouldn't know what they had. The proof of this is I bought a BUNCH of late 60's early 70's including several varieties thatshould have been quite pricey. And you'd better believe I'd buy all I found if they were affordable enough. Gotta help the OBC cause where I can! Thanks Tom, for sharing these with the group. I just bought the four Cardinals from Jimi and three of the four other guys I wanted from Guru's friend... I'm hoping they will be in the mail today. That leaves only the Aaron for my 8-card mini-set. I don't know if I'll ever go for the whole MB baseball set. Mostly because it's got a Ryan. And I don't even have the Topps version. Does anyone have a definitive checklist for these? Seems before when I was looking at them, the 2 lists I found were NOT the same. Okay, I'm done rambling. Happy Milton Bradley March! ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:40:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break From: Taylor Schock Bottom of this link: http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/variations.html Don't check by numbers. Turn them over and thumb through them. While they are hard to tell apart when they ARE apart, the back differences jump right out at you when they are in a stack. http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 2:21 PM To: directorth@aol.com; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break That's so cool. Great haul! There's a shop near a friend's house that we visit once or twice a year. They have multiple monster boxes for each year. All perfectly sorted, too. I think next time we go up for a visit, I'll bring a Milton Bradley number list. Because for sure, they wouldn't know what they had. The proof of this is I bought a BUNCH of late 60's early 70's including several varieties thatshould have been quite pricey. And you'd better believe I'd buy all I found if they were affordable enough. Gotta help the OBC cause where I can! Thanks Tom, for sharing these with the group. I just bought the four Cardinals from Jimi and three of the four other guys I wanted from Guru's friend... I'm hoping they will be in the mail today. That leaves only the Aaron for my 8-card mini-set. I don't know if I'll ever go for the whole MB baseball set. Mostly because it's got a Ryan. And I don't even have the Topps version. Does anyone have a definitive checklist for these? Seems before when I was looking at them, the 2 lists I found were NOT the same. Okay, I'm done rambling. Happy Milton Bradley March! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:43:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break From: Taylor Schock Congrats, Tom! "Did I mention that one of them was the elusive yellow-team-name Ed Brinkman? No, I didn't. And yes, that was one of them." It will be interesting to see what the Brinkman and Cox 'variations' do if this set gets more love, since they aren't really variations and should be as plentiful as any other '68 MB card. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 1:57 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break Lately I've decided I'd start keeping my eyes open for the 1968 baseball & 1967 football Milton Bradley cards - the ones that look exactly like Topps but were included in the 1968 Milton Bradley Win-A-Card board game. These bad boys are tough to locate, since the fronts are identical - aside from mis-cuts that show the tell-tale white borders of either 1967 Football cards or Hot Rod cards (and in the case of the football cards, slivers of the 1968 baseball burlap borders). The backs, however, are a much brighter yellow than their Topps brethren. 9I think Sal clued me in on that one; thanks Sal!) So, at a show last weekend I snagged about 6 of the 1967 football cards, plus the Mathews & Gibson baseball cards. Today for my lunch break I drove toa local card shop & rifled through the owner's 1600 or so 1968 Topps baseball. Jackpot! I found either 30 or 31 of them (I'm not 100% sure on a League Leader card I pulled). Many of them are in OBC shape, but that's OK. Of those,I needed 20 of them. Did I mention that one of them was the elusive yellow-team-name Ed Brinkman? No, I didn't. And yes, that was one of them. For all of these rare cards - the Brinkman routinely sells for $30-$40 - I spent.... What? That's a lot, you say? Oh, I failed to mention...that's not 50 dollars. No, that's 50 cents per card. $16 total, and that included a Tug McGraw & high number upgrade for my main set. I picked off all of the ones I saw, and so I have some dupes to share, so if you are working on the '68 Milton Bradley/Topps baseball set, let me knowwhat you're missing. (PS - there was no Ryan RC in there, or any other stars, but I am one happycollector Tom H. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 21:56:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which Would You Rather Have? [1 Attachment] From: Bob Reed Whatever one is easier to free from its entombment so it can fit in the binder. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of jdelott@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 10:07 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Which Would You Rather Have? [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from jdelott@aol.com included below] As usual, I chased a card for a millenium, only to win it in two auctions at the same time. Would you keep the A or the VG? Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 16:50:48 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: What are these? [2 Attachments] From: Greg IPad Only in this group would someone get a precise answer like that on an obscure postcard. You guys are amazing!! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 08 Mar 2017 23:20:44 +0000 To: Subject: PSA grading From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 19:10:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Linda fitak From: Anthony Hello all, I was just thinking of her and noticed she is not on the inactive list? What ever happen to her. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 20:52:31 -0500 To: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak From: Jimi Thayer Linda bought some cards from my EBay store last year, not knowing who I was. She messaged me thanking me for offering low grade cards at great prices, and that's when I revealed who I was. I believe she was in VCT when I first joined in 2002? She didn't really remember me though. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 8, 2017, at 8:49 PM, biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have a totally different perspective. I spent some time on line with them and believe that Linda had a profound read on the hobby. I actually wrote a pretty bad screen play on a version of Linda's cardboard life called "The Cardboard Girl" that I think we all enjoyed. But honestly I lost contacta couple of years ago. Linda seemed to have a great interest and knowledgeof turn of the century non-sports cards. > I hope they are well. > bb > -----Original Message----- > From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: Anthony ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Mar 8, 2017 8:37 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak > I don't know what happened to Linda and Tim, but for those of us that metthem, it was clear that Tim was the card collector. I never understood that dynamic, but then again, I didn't care that much to ask. I'm not sure Linda could have told you the difference between a 1975 Topps card and a 1976 Topps card. But maybe I'm wrong... > Take Care, > Geno > From: "Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:10 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak > Hello all, > I was just thinking of her and noticed she is not on the inactive list? > What ever happen to her. > Anthony > Sent from my iPad ================= To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" , "biggies@aol.com" Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 04:10:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak From: Bob Reed Looks like she posted on her Facebook page yesterday. https://m.facebook.com/ealswythe?frefnf&pn_refstory Sent from Outlook From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 9:59:16 PM To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com; biggies@aol.com; anthony.senthi@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak I found this link from a quick search...pretty cool, although almost 20 years Passion for the Past [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/latimes.png] Passion for the Past Linda Fitak lives in the '90s, but her heart and soul are in the Roaring '20s.She sings 1920s songs, dra... From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "biggies@aol.com" ; "anthony.senthi@gmail.com" ; "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak Did you ever meet them in person? David Kolenda and I always believed the on line Linda, was Tim. She did like actors/actress cards, I remember thatin our meet ups. Anyway, I'm probably missing something...so I better just be quiet before I offend anybody. Take Care, Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android I have a totally different perspective. I spent some time on line with themand believe that Linda had a profound read on the hobby. I actually wrote a pretty bad screen play on a version of Linda's cardboard life called "TheCardboard Girl" that I think we all enjoyed. But honestly I lost contact acouple of years ago. Linda seemed to have a great interest and knowledge of turn of the century non-sports cards. I hope they are well. -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Anthony ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Mar 8, 2017 8:37 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak I don't know what happened to Linda and Tim, but for those of us that met them, it was clear that Tim was the card collector. I never understood thatdynamic, but then again, I didn't care that much to ask. I'm not sure Linda could have told you the difference between a 1975 Topps card and a 1976 Topps card. But maybe I'm wrong... Take Care, From: "Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak Hello all, I was just thinking of her and noticed she is not on the inactive list? What ever happen to her. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 23:34:08 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 66 SP Hi's From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Some have said that they think the pricing is too much by about $100. I agree, that's why I asked if someone wanted to make a pitch to the guy. If this could be had for like $200-225, this would be a decent price, based on the conditions. Only good part is that a bunch could be gotten together, instead of trying to find individual ones. I'll see if he gets any bites. Maybe I or someone else can set him straight on the right OBC price :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/8/2017 2:09:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Anyone want to make a pitch to this guy and form a coalition? I only need 3- 544 Cards Rookies, 547 Clarke, 561 Coleman. That will bring me down to needing 3 to complete the set... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1966-TOPPS-LOT-SP-589-570-566-563-562-561-556-555-55 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Wed, 8 Mar 2017 23:50:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Which Would You Rather Have? [1 Attachment] From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en That "A" looks pretty damn good. I wonder if it's because it's altered or the guy went for the cheaper grading price. If the backs are similar, I'd probably keep the "A" if it isn't trimmed and pop that 4 back on the market. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/8/2017 10:13:10 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://1066f7d0/default.html#TopText) from jdelott@aol.com included below] As usual, I chased a card for a millenium, only to win it in two auctions at the same time. Would you keep the A or the VG? Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 00:20:40 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break- Milton Bradley checklist From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Ok kids, one night someone brought this up, so I decided to make a list. It's attached here. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/8/2017 2:21:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: That's so cool. Great haul! There's a shop near a friend's house that we visit once or twice a year. They have multiple monster boxes for each year. All perfectly sorted, too.I think next time we go up for a visit, I'll bring a Milton Bradley number list. Because for sure, they wouldn't know what they had. The proof of this is I bought a BUNCH of late 60's early 70's including several varieties that should have been quite pricey. And you'd better believe I'd buy all I found if they were affordable enough. Gotta help the OBC cause where I can! Thanks Tom, for sharing these with the group. I just bought the four Cardinals from Jimi and three of the four other guys I wanted from Guru's friend... I'm hoping they will be in the mail today. That leaves only the Aaron for my 8-card mini-set. I don't know if I'll ever go for the whole MB baseball set. Mostly because it's got a Ryan. And I don't even have the Topps Does anyone have a definitive checklist for these? Seems before when I was looking at them, the 2 lists I found were NOT the same. Okay, I'm done rambling. Happy Milton Bradley March!Aaron ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 01:47:40 -0800 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak From: John Stamper Hi Ant I see her husband Tim every so often at a local card shop. He said she was busy with her dance, which was her main focus now. He's still semi active selling cards on the local bid board. John Stamper > On Mar 8, 2017, at 5:33 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I don't know what happened to Linda and Tim, but for those of us that metthem, it was clear that Tim was the card collector. I never understood that dynamic, but then again, I didn't care that much to ask. I'm not sure Linda could have told you the difference between a 1975 Topps card and a 1976 Topps card. But maybe I'm wrong... > Take Care, > Geno > From: "Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 5:10 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak > Hello all, > I was just thinking of her and noticed she is not on the inactive list? > What ever happen to her. > Anthony > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 07:18:27 -0500 To: VCT , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Vintage HOF Football cards for trade...Staubach RC, Fouts RC, Starr... From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I bought a nice large collection of baseball cards last week, and it came with a nice stack of football cards that I'd like to use as trade bait to gotowards my HOF Collection and/or my baseball want lists. Here's what's available: 1956 Topps Blanda #11 PSA 3 VG 1966 Philadelphia Meredith #61 EXMT 1968 Topps Starr #1 VGEX 1969 Topps Kelly #1 EXMT 1969 Topps Hayes #6 EX 1969 Topps Walker #54 VGEX 1969 Topps Maynard #60 VGEX 1969 Topps Meredith #75 VGEX 1969 Topps Tarkenton #150 VGEX 1969 Topps Buoniconti #192 EX 1969 Topps Starr #215 VGEX 1969 Topps Blanda #232 VGEX 1970 Topps Griese #10 NRMT (oc) 1970 Topps #38, 53, 57 Wilcox, 86, 100 Gabriel, 101, 113, 117 - generally mid to high grade 1971 Topps Unitas #1 VGEX 1971 Topps Hadl #255 VG 1971 Topps OJ Simpson #260 VGEX 1972 Topps OJ Simpson #160 VGEX 1972 Topps Staubach RC #200 VG/VGEX 1973 Topps Butkus #300 EX 1973 Topps OJ Simpson #500 VGEX 1975 Topps Fouts RC #367 VGEX 1975 Topps Simpson #500 VG/VGEX 1977 Topps Staubach #45 EXMT 1978 Topps Staubach #290 EXMT LMK! Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 09 Mar 2017 06:45:38 -0800 To: Anthony , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak From: wite3 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:18:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Productive Lunch Break- Milton Bradley checklist From: Aaron Shirley Okay, your lists match. That's VERY encouraging. Thank you both so much forironing it out. ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 15:28:02 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Oh, how things change..... From: Glenn Codere OLD AND BUSTED: 1962 Topps Green TintsNEW HOTNESS: 1968 Milton Bradley ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 08:20:21 -0800 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Vintage HOF Football cards for trade...Staubach RC, Fouts RC, Starr... From: Rick You are just killing me I was just up stairs looking for something off his list to swap for the OJ! Sent from my iPad > On Mar 9, 2017, at 7:30 AM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Jimi... > Save those 1971 Topps FB for me and I'll trade in your favor! > I should be home this weekend! > OBC Forever > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: VCT, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCT, Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com > Sent: March 9, 2017 at 4:22 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Vintage HOF Football cards for trade...Staubach RC, Fouts RC, Starr... > Hey guys, > I bought a nice large collection of baseball cards last week, and it camewith a nice stack of football cards that I'd like to use as trade bait to go towards my HOF Collection and/or my baseball want lists. > Here's what's available: > 1956 Topps Blanda #11 PSA 3 VG > 1966 Philadelphia Meredith #61 EXMT > 1968 Topps Starr #1 VGEX > 1969 Topps Kelly #1 EXMT > 1969 Topps Hayes #6 EX > 1969 Topps Walker #54 VGEX > 1969 Topps Maynard #60 VGEX > 1969 Topps Meredith #75 VGEX > 1969 Topps Tarkenton #150 VGEX > 1969 Topps Buoniconti #192 EX > 1969 Topps Starr #215 VGEX > 1969 Topps Blanda #232 VGEX > 1970 Topps Griese #10 NRMT (oc) > 1970 Topps #38, 53, 57 Wilcox, 86, 100 Gabriel, 101, 113, 117 - generallymid to high grade > 1971 Topps Unitas #1 VGEX > 1971 Topps Hadl #255 VG > 1971 Topps OJ Simpson #260 VGEX > 1972 Topps OJ Simpson #160 VGEX > 1972 Topps Staubach RC #200 VG/VGEX > 1973 Topps Butkus #300 EX > 1973 Topps OJ Simpson #500 VGEX > 1975 Topps Fouts RC #367 VGEX > 1975 Topps Simpson #500 VG/VGEX > 1977 Topps Staubach #45 EXMT > 1978 Topps Staubach #290 EXMT > LMK! Thanks! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:22:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quick HOF WAIVER WIRE - Dazzy Vance From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Thanks to that killer hit from Erik, I have freed up a 1972 Fleer Baseball's Famous Feats card of Dazzy Vance, and now offering up to the group on waivers. If not for a solid crease across the top, it'd be in EX. Corners are nice and no other creases. Please send your address. Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 11:37:39 -0500 To: wite3 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak From: Anthony Thanks for all the updates . Glad she is well and ok forward to one day hercoming Sent from my iPad > On Mar 9, 2017, at 9:45 AM, wite3 wrote: > I actually ran into her husband about a week ago at a shop. Tim had health issues and linda apparently was too busy with other stuff to keep up withobc. > Joshua > Sent from my Verizon 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 3/8/17 4:10 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Linda fitak > Hello all, > I was just thinking of her and noticed she is not on the inactive list? > What ever happen to her. > Anthony > Sent from my iPad > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Anthony > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: 09 Mar 2017 21:29:43 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gavel Snipe From: bskp1@aol.com ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:12:27 +0000 Subject: 2017 NCAA Tournament From: Bob Reed Pardon the interruption: Every year I run a contest for the NCAA basketball tournament. Space is usually limited to 16 people. Last year we had 19 so three missed out but in2015 we had 28 so I was able to have two brackets. Last year, I promised the three that missed out that they would get first dibs this year so, between them and me, four spots are already taken. To reap the rules: Each person will be represented by four teams, one in each of the regions with the seed numbers adding up to 34. That means you'll get one team with a 1-4 seed, one with a 5-8 seed, one with a 9-12 seed and one with a 13-16/17 seed. For example: East #15, South #7, Midwest #2, and West #10; 15+7+2+1034. Whenever any of your teams win then you'll receive cards from the owner of the losing team. Likewise if your team loses then you send cards to the owner of the winning team. Everybody sends cards to the final winner. So worst case scenario, you only have to send out 5 packages. Let me know if you are interested.. ================= Date: 09 Mar 2017 22:23:51 +0000 To: Subject: DC Bound From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: 09 Mar 2017 22:30:29 +0000 To: Subject: Surprise card shop From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 00:01:58 +0000 Subject: Vintage Fleer Wauctionette From: Aaron Shirley I got a few 1961 Fleer, (year?) Fleer cloth logos, and 1970 World Series blue backs today. Want some? Here's what you do: Update your lists on Fleer February spreadsheet, post the date you updated in column D... then wait and see, I guess. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 9 Mar 2017 22:16:43 -0500 To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 NCAA Tournament From: Mark Talbot Please include me in this year's NCAA pool. - Mark Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 9, 2017, at 8:58 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm in!! > Cheers, > Geno > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > Pardon the interruption: > Every year I run a contest for the NCAA basketball tournament. Space is usually limited to 16 people. Last year we had 19 so three missed out but in 2015 we had 28 so I was able to have two brackets. Last year, I promised the three that missed out that they would get first dibs this year so, between them and me, four spots are already taken. > To reap the rules: > Each person will be represented by four teams, one in each of the regionswith the seed numbers adding up to 34. That means you'll get one team with a 1-4 seed, one with a 5-8 seed, one with a 9-12 seed and one with a 13-16/17 seed. For example: East #15, South #7, Midwest #2, and West #10; 15+7+2+1034. > Whenever any of your teams win then you'll receive cards from the owner of the losing team. Likewise if your team loses then you send cards to the owner of the winning team. Everybody sends cards to the final winner. So worst case scenario, you only have to send out 5 packages. > Let me know if you are interested.. > -Bob ================= Date: 10 Mar 2017 04:32:29 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Surprise card shop From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 08:11:34 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: 1969 Topps Baseball Waivers From: LAWRENCE TIPTON 1969 Topps #49 more =E2=9Cvaluable=E2=9D variation =E2=9CRODRIQUEZ=E2=9D on front condition Good. 1969 Topps #100 Hank Aaron condition Fair also has tape on front. 1969 Topps #120 Pete Rose condition Fair diamond cut and slight trim job. reminder Wauction #5 ends Sunday! ================= Date: 10 Mar 2017 14:36:29 +0000 To: Subject: Does this 1968 Topps variation really exist? From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:16:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Does this 1968 Topps variation really exist? From: richard dingman I've never seen one. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 9:36 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Does this 1968 Topps variation really exist? Can anyone confirm that the 1968 Bill Stoneman (#179) has a variation that does NOT have "Bill was used sparingly but still" as the last line of his bio? I've seen it listed as a variation, but I have never seen one. If it exists, I will keep hunting, but if not I'd like to remove it once & for all from my wantlist. Tom Housley ================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 15:21:45 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Identification help From: Patrick Prickett Okay, this is driving me nuts. I saw this photo of an unidentified player and it looks SO familiar, but I can't place it. Anyone know who this is? ================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 10:52:17 -0500 To: Patrick Prickett Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Identification help [1 Attachment] From: Steve Maybe Pete Burnside? Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Patrick Prickett included below] > Okay, this is driving me nuts. > I saw this photo of an unidentified player and it looks SO familiar, but I can't place it. > Anyone know who this is? > Cheers, > Patrick ================= To: Patrick Prickett Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 16:28:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Identification help From: Aaron Shirley My research (which is worth exactly how much you paid for it) shows the HEALTH patch on the sleeve was used almost exclusively in 1942. But the pipingon the jersey was introduced in 1943. So I think those years' rosters are where to start. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Steve rangersteve7@optonline.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, March 10, 2017 9:52 AM To: Patrick Prickett Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Identification help Maybe Pete Burnside? Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad On Mar 10, 2017, at 10:21 AM, Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Okay, this is driving me nuts. I saw this photo of an unidentified player and it looks SO familiar, but I can't place it. Anyone know who this is? ================= Date: 10 Mar 2017 21:10:21 +0000 To: Subject: eBay: Big football lot of 55T AA's From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 11 Mar 2017 02:30:47 +0000 To: Subject: Kelloggs Needs and Waiver From: welfar03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:35:12 -0500 To: "card-variations@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: [card-variations] Does this 1968 Topps variation exist? From: Ken M Tom,  I checked my set and thought, "I wonder if he was in the Milton Bradley set and the error was reported incorrectly?" Turns out he is in the MB set - but with the same ending to his bio. No confirmation here either. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 21:44:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Does this 1968 Topps variation exist? From: Ken M Does anyone have the Venezuelan version (1968 #179) they can check? Just wondering. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2017 9:35 PMTo: card-variations@yahoogroups.com;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: [card-variations] Does this 1968 Topps variation exist? Tom,  I checked my set and thought, "I wonder if he was in the Milton Bradley set and the error was reported incorrectly?" Turns out he is in the MB set - but with the same ending to his bio. No confirmation here either. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Mar 2017 18:59:29 -0800 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Does this 1968 Topps variation exist? From: Rick I have a 179 in the Venezuelan set but I'm not home till Sunday night. Whatis the variation that I'm suppose to look for? Rick Sent from my iPad > On Mar 10, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Does anyone have the Venezuelan version (1968 #179) they can check? Just wondering. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Fri, Mar 10, 2017 9:35 PM > To: card-variations@yahoogroups.com;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: [card-variations] Does this 1968 Topps variation > Tom, > I checked my set and thought, "I wonder if he was in the Milton Bradleyset and the error was reported in correctly?" Turns out he is in the MB set - but with the same ending to his bio. No confirmation here either. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 03:13:35 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 Team Posters From: ChicoD1@aol.com This guy has a bunch, starting bids are at $20 http://stores.ebay.com/bthoven14/_i.html?_dmd=1&_nkw=baseball&rt=nc&_pgn=8&_ Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 11 Mar 2017 13:58:38 +0000 To: Subject: Star Wars figure expert? From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 09:54:42 -0500 To: patrick_prickett@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Identification help From: Tom Housley I'm too lazy to do it myself, but have you looked on baseball-reference.com? If the time frame is narrowed down to the 1942/1943 teams, you might be able to match that pic with a pic of the 42/43 Senators. Choose "seasons" and scroll to 1942 & 1943 toi get the full roster, & then click on the individual player names to pull up their bio & picture. I tried dragging the picture into Google images, hoping the magic internet would tell me the name of the player, but you know what the all-knowing web came up with? "Mascara". Tom Housley ================= Date: 11 Mar 2017 15:52:43 +0000 To: Subject: Pre-War Non-Sports Waivers for ALL From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:18:02 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: March Madness Availables From: Dan Angland Not much vintage, but a few. Please include your address.Thanks, Dan Angland Have an OBC day! 1979-80 Topps Basketball # 56 (3x), 103, 104, 119 1974-75 Topps Basketball # 37, 102, 107, 247 1980 Topps Superstar Baseball #54 Jack Clark and #58 Dave Revering ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 19:50:28 +0000 (UTC) To: , Tom Housley Subject: Re: Identification help From: Patrick Prickett Okay, I've given up. I originally thought it was an original photo for a 1952 Topps card - the age suggests it's not. I can swear I've seen this image on a baseball card, but if no one else here can recall seeing it, I must just be imagining it. Oh well. Thanks for the help to all! Ps - I did recently find the original images on another 7 1952 cards. I now know 107 different images (about 1 in 4) On Sat, 3/11/17, Tom Housley wrote: Subject: Re: Identification help To: patrick_prickett@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, March 11, 2017, 6:54 AM I'm too lazy to do it myself, but have you looked on baseball-reference.com? If the time frame is narrowed down to the 1942/1943 teams, you might be able to match that pic with a pic of the 42/43 Senators. Choose "seasons" and scroll to 1942 & 1943 toi get the full roster, & then click on the individual player names to pull up their bio & picture. I tried dragging the picture into Google images, hoping the magic internet would tell me the name of the player, but you know what the all-knowing web came up with? Tom Housley ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 21:07:23 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Topps 1952 Wings "Friend or Foe" cards From: I have a friend at work who will be retiring in the next year, if not forced to do so earlier. He is a huge plane enthusiast. I happened to notice the Topps Wings set one day and thought that he might really get a kick out of them. So, I purchased a small lot, then another lot. Well, as you fellow addicts know, once you have more than two.... At any rate, I now have about half the set in VG quality. I also now have 25 or so duplicates. I'm not saying I will complete the set before he leaves and I give it to him, but I'm kind of enjoying trying to put it together. I'm sure there are some of you out there who have this set. From what I've seen there are no difficult cards, which is kind of nice. Anyone collecting these, and need some dupes? And yes, I know there are other card sets, like the Jets set, but I've decided I'm sticking to just this one set Bob N. ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 16:18:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1956 Topps WAIVER WIRE From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I have some extra 1956 Topps cards in my dupes box, so thought I'd offer them up. Who needs these? 18w, 70g, 98g, 108g, 121g Pirates Team, 175g, 279, 290, 337 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 11 Mar 2017 22:27:21 +0000 To: Subject: Improved website? From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 17:40:39 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Improved website? From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Well, in less than 30 seconds, Mike Rich has informed me that I erroneously reported that I added the 1969 Topps Embossed set. What I MEANT to say was that I have added the *1965* Embossed set (the ugly one with gold foil on the red or blue background depending on AL vs. NL teams) Also should post the actual website, too... On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 5:27 PM, drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Took a little time today to reorganize my web site. I had just kept adding > sets as I started them, and ended up with a mishmash of multiple sports, > manufacturers and years, which was difficult to look through for most > OBCers. It was okay for me, since I had the order prioritized for when I > went to card shows, but that wasn't easy on the browsing for you guys, soI > THINK that I have improved it. > I also took the time to add a few new sets to the list, hopefully some > easier lists to hit (although not all...) as I have added: > 1955 Topps Double headers > 1969 Topps Embossed > 1969 Topps Supers (the "little" supers compared to the 1970 and '71s) > 1975-77 Twinkies sets (Ken Morganti got this snowball rolling, and I can't > stop it now...) > 1969 Topps Basketball Rulers > 1970 Topps Basketball posters > 1961 Fleer Basketball (okay, so this one may not be an easy hit, but I > already had the Pistons, so...) > and then I added a whole new section to the bottom of my list with > "Variations." George Vrecheck started that with his book, and I have to > admit, those cards are definitely the most fun to look for at shows. > Thanks for reading, and happy browsing! > Sam Taylor Sam Taylor ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 23:46:49 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Waiver Wire Part 2 From: Dan Angland Spring has not yet sprung in NY, so more availables for the taking.Please include your address.Thanks, Dan AnglandHave an OBC Saturday night! 1955 Topps Baseball 14, 33, 59, 71, 76, 791959 Topps Baseball 359, 5051965 Topps Baseball 151968 Topps Baseball 4761972 Topps Baseball 467, 592 1975 Topps Baseball 350, 440 1971 Topps Football 68, 109, 126, 1621972 Topps Football 1851976 Topps Football 81977 Topps Football 4171980 Topps Football 22, 231980 Fleer Football 3, 10, 16, 65, 69 1972-73 Topps Hockey 21974-75 Topps Hockey 159 (2x)1974-75 OPC Hockey 61976-77 Topps Hockey 152 1980 Empire Strikes Back (Red boarder) 11, 20, 43, 87, 104, 108 (blueboarder) 134, 1351977 Charlies Angels 1701975 Planet of the Apes 39,42, 51, 53, 63, 64, 65, 661978 Donruss Kiss 1, 2, 4, 12, 13, 15, 19, 25, 28, 33, 36, 39, 40, 41, 54, 56, 57, 60, 61 ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 03:07:06 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: 1969 topps baseball- 2 to go From: mark zentkovich ok who wants to kill it? 564 Hodges593 Nottebart just got a real bad reggie on ebay from Paul Korst cards thanks for looking mark zentkovich ================= Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2017 20:18:50 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Shows From: Rick Is there a website or place where they list all shows even Canadian shows? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 11:34:43 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My Wings endeavor From: Thanks to all of you who have dropped me notes. I am currently bidding on two lots from 'daveblazo', one of which is a complete set. After those auctions end I will post a wantlist for what I need (and, if I do get the complete set, then I guess I will collect my own set to go along with the gift set). And, in the meantime, in a non-baseball comment, this Philly boy says "Go Villanova!". ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 12:05:32 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Shows From: Bob Donaldson Becket.com. There's a link at the bottom Dow shows. Not sure about Canadian On Sat, Mar 11, 2017 at 11:18 PM Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is there a website or place where they list all shows even Canadian shows? > Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 08:09:32 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Guru's Wauction #5 RESULTS From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Sal Domino lot 1. 1962 Topps baseball #18 =E2=9CManagers Dream=E2=9D Aaron Shirley lot 2. 1962 Topps baseball #591 Rookie Parade Mike Rumley-Wells lot 3. 1959 Topps baseball #464 =E2=9CMays Catch=E2=9D. Shawn Smart lot 4. 1953 Bowman Color baseball #9 Phil Rizzuto. John Stamper lot 5. 1962 Topps baseball #394 Hank Aaron =E2=9CSporting News Dan Angland + Mark Zentkovich lots 6a 6b. 1964 Topps baseball #11 NL R.B.I.Leaders. Andy Huntoon lot 7. 1956 Topps baseball #130 Willie Mays Joe Adriance + Nate Mack lots 8a.8b 1955 Bowman baseball #103 Eddie Mathews. Doug DeJong lot 9. Vintage Brooklyn Dodger lot of two cards. Rob Bessette lot 10. 1952 Topps baseball #250 Carl Erskine ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 16:07:59 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1952 Topps high number deals From: Patrick Prickett Hey all, Two 1952 Topps high number cards are up for sale of Ebay at pretty good prices: Pee Wee Reese ($89+$5 shipping - I have this but have spent the last 10 minutes trying to figure if I want to pull the trigger on this one)1952 Topps High Number #333 Pee Wee Reese Brooklyn Dodgers - Trimmed | eBay | $ 89.0 | | | | 1952 Topps High Number #333 Pee Wee Reese Brooklyn Dodgers - Trimmed | eBay 1952 Topps High Number #333 Pee Wee Reese. This card hasbeen trimmed on all sides but features strong colors w... | | And Pitler (last one I needed!) for $36 OBO (make a lowoffer and see):1952 topps baseball high number cards | eBay | CAD 49.0 | | | | 1952 topps baseball high number cards | eBay 1952 topps baseball high number cards | Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Sports Trading Cards, Baseball Cards |... | | And if someone doesn't act fast on that Reese ... they may just lose it to me! ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 17:49:13 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps high number deals From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I am not sure on the Pitler card. He's one of the last 3 high's I need. He also shows that he has the Campy. Doesn't look right. And look at the front/back pics. The front has all terribly rounded corners, the back has one semi squared one. And the card doesn't seem to line up in the holder the same way. With a feedback of 7 I'm kinda leery. Although I kinda like the Pee Wee myself. I have one, but y'all have seen it from last year's National, so I have a little interest in this one too. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/12/2017 12:14:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey all, Two 1952 Topps high number cards are up for sale of Ebay at pretty good Pee Wee Reese ($89+$5 shipping - I have this but have spent the last 10 minutes trying to figure if I want to pull the trigger on this one) _1952 Topps High Number #333 Pee Wee Reese Brooklyn Dodgers - Trimmed | (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-High-Number-333-Pee-Wee-Reese-Brooklyn-Dodgers-Trimmed-/252808341905?hashitem3adc8d2991:g:Bf8AAOSwsW9Yx _ $ 89.0 1952 Topps High Number #333 Pee Wee Reese Brooklyn Dodgers - Trimmed | 1952 Topps High Number #333 Pee Wee Reese. This card has been trimmed on all sides but features strong colors w... (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-High-Number-333-Pee-Wee-Reese-Brooklyn-Dodgers-Trimmed-/252808341905?hashitem3adc8d2991:g:Bf8AAOSwsW9YxDKI) And Pitler (last one I needed!) for $36 OBO (make a low offer and see): _1952 topps baseball high number cards | eBay_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-topps-baseball-high-number-cards-/272585980401?hashitem3f7763f9f1:g:uCAAA _ CAD 49.0 1952 topps baseball high number cards | eBay 1952 topps baseball high number cards | Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Sports Trading Cards, Baseball Cards |... (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-topps-baseball-high-number-cards-/272585980401?hashitem3f7763f9f1:g:uCAAAOSwhQhYxD7M) And if someone doesn't act fast on that Reese ... they may just lose it to ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 04:09:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Vintage Fleer Wauctionette From: Aaron Shirley Let's try this again. These cards are available. This is NOT first come first served; I'll probably mail Tuesday or Wednesday. 1961 Fleer Greats 5 30 77 82. 19xx Fleer cloth patch logo Cincinnati Reds (CINCINNATI in arc above circular 1970 Fleer World Series (blue backs) 7 11 14 16 17 19 21 43 45 47 59. From: Aaron Shirley Sent: Thursday, March 9, 2017 6:01 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Vintage Fleer Wauctionette I got a few 1961 Fleer, (year?) Fleer cloth logos, and 1970 World Series blue backs today. Want some? Here's what you do: Update your lists on Fleer February spreadsheet, post the date you updated in column D... then wait and see, I guess. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:10:23 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stoneman From: Rick Here is the Venezuelan and it has the same back ================= Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2017 21:19:49 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1952 topps grey back From: Rick I wanted to follow up with gurus post on selling his. I found this in Canada a few years back and paid $8 and it's the only card in my collection I would want to get grade for the resale like he did. It's in pretty nice shape no creases but off center front and back. Not sure what kind of condition gurus card was compared to this but would expect it to grade decent compared to most grey backs I've seen. Maybe Patrick could give me some insight on it. Rick ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 07:37:37 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 topps grey back [2 Attachments] From: Ken M Rick,  All three of mine are in similar condition to yours. (They look like they may have been on the same sheet, though it it highly unlikely I got them at the same place or the same time.) They all have nice corners, but nearly identical centering - yours is shifted the other way though, like it was upside down with the ones I have. All three came back (VG-EX) PSA 4 (MC) for what it's worth. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 12:19 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1952 topps grey back [2 Attachments] ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 10:43:02 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Petition For New Member From: Jake Brewer This has been a long time coming. A guy I met at shows took an interest in OBC when he heard me talking about it. He recently got into vintage- and hepurchased a '53T Jackie Robinson from me. He was very reasonable throughout the deal, and he has similar low-grade interests like we do. We've developed a friendship, and he has kept asking me about OBC- so here I am starting the Membership process for him! His name is Cade Doolittle, and I will be giving out some of ya'lls emails for him to contact about striking some deals to build some goodwill before possible OBC-induction! He's got a website with his wantlists that he can direct you to as well. So be on the lookout for an email from Cade, from my perspective he's good to go and should be a good addition to the group! -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:18:39 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lot of 407 cards... From: Rick Looks like quite a few key cards here with a few 65's and 67's also View item: 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lot of 407 cards... End Time: Mar 15, 2017, 12:39:27 AM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 11:22:13 -0700 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lot of 407 cards... From: Rick And it's in Canadian money! Sent from my iPad > On Mar 13, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Looks like quite a few key cards here with a few 65's and 67's also > View item: > 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lot of 407 cards... > End Time: Mar 15, 2017, 12:39:27 AM PDT > Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:55:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lot of From: Aaron Shirley I'm not bidding, but I will take a "share" of the cards - and the cost - ifsomeone else wins. I say that because I know we're all cheapskates but some cheapskates have more budget than others... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, March 13, 2017 1:22 PM To: Rick Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lotof 407 cards... And it's in Canadian money! Sent from my iPad On Mar 13, 2017, at 11:18 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Looks like quite a few key cards here with a few 65's and 67's also [http://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/AlEAAOSw4A5Yv7P7/s-l200/q-40.jpg] View item: 1969 to 1972 O-PEE-CHEE BASEBALL CARDS.....lot of 407 cards... Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:25:51 +0000 Subject: late series question From: Aaron Shirley Did football, basketball, hockey etc sets have the same "late series" scarcity issues baseball cards did? Never having collected them, I don't even know if they WERE issued in series. I figured this would be a fun discussion. ================= To: Aaron Shirley Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:36:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] late series question From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 18:37:47 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] late series question From: Ken M Aaron,  For the most part, the answer is no. Most of the other sports have much smaller sets compared to baseball (and much smaller popularity up until the 80's). There are always exceptions though. I noticed when I was collecting 1969 and 1970 football for example, that the second half of the set was slightly more difficult than the first series. 1972 is a different story all together, but it's the exception and not the rule when it comes to the other sports sets. There are a few football sets that are just riddled with SP's (1962-1965 Topps come to mind), but they are scattered throughout the set and not just the high numbers like baseball. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 3:37 PMTo: Aaron Shirley;Cc: OBC Ramblings;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] late series question 1972 Football third series is very tough. Jay Tysver On Mar 13, 2017, at 2:25 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  Did football, basketball, hockey etc sets have the same "late series" scarcity issues baseball cards did? Never having collected them, I don't even know if they WERE issued in series. I figured this would be a fun discussion.Aaron ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:47:02 -0400 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 68 milton bradley info needed pls. From: JDahms ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 19:58:52 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 milton bradley info needed pls. From: Ken M JD,  The easiest way is the back color difference. Regular Topps have a mustard color and the MB's are way more of a yellow color. Some (but not all) of the cards have a white stripe on the top or bottom (or one side of the horizontally aligned cards) from placement on the sheet next to a football or hot rod card. (Conversely, the football or hot rod cards might have a telltale strip of burlap). Hope that helps, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 7:47 PMTo: Obc Ranblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 68 milton bradley info needed pls. What are the ways to tell the differenceS between the topps and MB?  I I know the back colors are different but are there any other ways? Any info is appreciated  Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: 14 Mar 2017 01:20:45 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] late series question From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 22:37:25 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 milton bradley info needed pls. From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Ken nailed it.. but this may help if you can blow it up some. You can see where the cards were placed on the sheet, so you know which could have a white edge in the miscut. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/13/2017 7:59:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: The easiest way is the back color difference. Regular Topps have a mustard color and the MB's are way more of a yellow color. Some (but not all) of the cards have a white stripe on the top or bottom (or one side of the horizontally aligned cards) from placement on the sheet next to a footballor hot rod card. (Conversely, the football or hot rod cards might have a telltale strip of burlap). Hope that helps, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: JDahms_ jd3681@yahoo.com_ (mailto:%20jd3681@yahoo.com) Date: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 7:47 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 68 milton bradley info needed pls. What are the ways to tell the differe nceS between the topps and MB? I I know the back colors are different but are there any other ways? Any info is appreciated Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 02:57:33 +0000 Subject: Boxing cards and others at local coin shop From: Aaron Shirley Content-ID: <98CC7D209F855E4C9A37E96E3ED3CF88@sct-15-1-789-14-msonline-outlook-ade8c.templateTenant> My local COIN shop bought a card collection. Some fifties, lotta sixties, football and baseball. A few hundred Empire Strikes Back. But then he shows me "the nice ones" and brings these four cards out: ================= Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2017 23:32:41 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Triple play vintage From: Rob Bessette Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in the description. Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= To: John Stamper , Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:58:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Boxing cards and others at local coin shop From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: Aaron Shirley Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 03:05:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Boxing cards and others at local coin shop [4 From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 07:53:29 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Another MB question From: Glenn Codere With all the activity surrounding the 1968MB set recently, it got me thinking. Can anyone shed some light on the actual game itself? How was it played? Does anyone here have a complete game? I can remember a lot of weird and disconnected stuff from when I was a kid and had a closet full of games, but I definitely can't remember this one. GlennGlenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:13:26 -0400 To: robsbessette@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: Mike Glasser I've bought from them without incident. Sorry that happened. I generally find that if I'm disappointed it's because I didn't take the time to look at the pictures or read the info. I hope that you work it out! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in the description. Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 08:43:16 -0400 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: Rob Bessette Here is the auction... https://www.ebay.com/itm/122372136819 I suppose I should always assume the worst and ask questions. Nowhere do they mention anything about the marks or stains. I suppose just one picture should have been a red flag. Also now that I look at it, their feedback reflects a lot of my sentiments. Lots of negatives for the exact reason. Not disclosing I asked for a refund, but if I don't get it, it's a reminder to stay on topof Honestly the marks and stains I can live with, the the smell of smoke on them is driving me crazy! I've never experienced that before. I don't want toput them in the binder to taint the other cards or pages! > On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I've bought from them without incident. Sorry that happened. I generally find that if I'm disappointed it's because I didn't take the time to lookat the pictures or read the info. I hope that you work it out! > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:32 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage > Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. > I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. > I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in the description. > Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 09:07:22 -0400 To: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: chris tripler Triple Play Vintage is on my DO NOT BUY from list. I've bought 5 lots from them, and 3 of the five lots either way overestimated the grades of their material or do not disclose condition problems (like the smoke) & when I communicated with them about it, they were very brusque about questioning their material...so, never again. Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:43 AM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Here is the auction... > https://www.ebay.com/itm/122372136819 > I suppose I should always assume the worst and ask questions. Nowhere dothey mention anything about the marks or stains. I suppose just one picture should have been a red flag. Also now that I look at it, their feedback reflects a lot of my sentiments. Lots of negatives for the exact reason. Notdisclosing > I asked for a refund, but if I don't get it, it's a reminder to stay on top of things. > Honestly the marks and stains I can live with, the the smell of smoke on them is driving me crazy! I've never experienced that before. I don't want to put them in the binder to taint the other cards or pages! >> On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I've bought from them without incident. Sorry that happened. I generally find that if I'm disappointed it's because I didn't take the time to look at the pictures or read the info. I hope that you work it out! >> Mike >> Mike Glasser >> Owner >> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >> 14630 York Road >> Sparks, MD 21152 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:32 pm >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage >> Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. >> I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. >> I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in the description. >> Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 09:16:06 -0400 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: Rob Bessette Sounds like this might be a lesson learned moment for me. > On Mar 14, 2017, at 9:07 AM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Triple Play Vintage is on my DO NOT BUY from list. I've bought 5 lots from them, and 3 of the five lots either way overestimated the grades of their material or do not disclose condition problems (like the smoke) & when I communicated with them about it, they were very brusque about questioning their material...so, never again. > Sent from my iPhone >> On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:43 AM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Here is the auction... >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/122372136819 >> I suppose I should always assume the worst and ask questions. Nowhere do they mention anything about the marks or stains. I suppose just one picture should have been a red flag. Also now that I look at it, their feedback reflects a lot of my sentiments. Lots of negatives for the exact reason. Not disclosing condition. >> I asked for a refund, but if I don't get it, it's a reminder to stay on top of things. >> Honestly the marks and stains I can live with, the the smell of smoke onthem is driving me crazy! I've never experienced that before. I don't wantto put them in the binder to taint the other cards or pages! >>> On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I've bought from them without incident. Sorry that happened. I generally find that if I'm disappointed it's because I didn't take the time to look at the pictures or read the info. I hope that you work it out! >>> Mike >>> Mike Glasser >>> Owner >>> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >>> 14630 York Road >>> Sparks, MD 21152 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> To: OBC-Ramblings >>> Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:32 pm >>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage >>> Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. >>> I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. >>> I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in thedescription. >>> Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= Date: 14 Mar 2017 13:43:01 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: Rob Bessette Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:43:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: JAY TYSVER Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 13:46:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:04:22 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Gurus Grading Service (GGS) Newsletter From: LAWRENCE TIPTON *Yesterday, GGS received a mail order submission which led our Chief graderto dig out the =E2=9CSEWER CARDS=E2=9D box tucked away in his closet. It was at this time our industry expert made two discoveries: 1. Joel Freedmans submission has been sitting there for 20 months, it was quickly graded, and mailed off this AM. 2. Approx 20 months ago (2015 National Chicago) someone submitted a 1967 Topps =E2=9CPin-Up=E2=9D Mickey Mantle for custom slabbing. We do not have the submitters name! So if you submitted this Mantle poster, please contact us! If we do not hear anything, this poster will remain ungraded, and turned over to our sister company =E2=9CGurus Wauctions=E2=9D for theApril * At this time we would like to announce we will be accepting submissions in person at this years National. We will be set up at =E2=9CThe Swap=E2=9D, displaying our current inventory! CEO/Chief Grader Gurus Grading Services (GGS) ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:36:51 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Grading? From: EEK Looking to have some cards graded.... thoughts, recommendations, pricing, etc? Thanks for any input. Earl "EEK" Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" ================= To: Rob Bessette Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 14:58:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: Taylor Schock I've put them outside before for about a week, and it's helped considerablewith the smell. Assuming humidity or sunlight is not an issue. Also if you are talking about 1 or 2 cards, you could try baking soda as well. Put down a layer, lay the card on top, over with another layer. (no need to bake at 350 for 20 minutes). Flick off the baking soda when done and make a not it was not anthrax. It may help as well. Or... combo the above 2. It will definitely reduce the smell without addinganything Or or.... put in a tupperware bowl with a candle after the above 2 actions to keep all your cards cinnamon-y fresh! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:43 AM To: Mike Glasser Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage Here is the auction... https://www.ebay.com/itm/122372136819 I suppose I should always assume the worst and ask questions. Nowhere do they mention anything about the marks or stains. I suppose just one picture should have been a red flag. Also now that I look at it, their feedback reflects a lot of my sentiments. Lots of negatives for the exact reason. Not disclosing I asked for a refund, but if I don't get it, it's a reminder to stay on topof Honestly the marks and stains I can live with, the the smell of smoke on them is driving me crazy! I've never experienced that before. I don't want toput them in the binder to taint the other cards or pages! On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I've bought from them without incident. Sorry that happened. I generally find that if I'm disappointed it's because I didn't take the time to look at the pictures or read the info. I hope that you work it out! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in the description. Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= To: Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:18:29 -0500 Subject: Re: Another MB question From: "George Vrechek" Dr Carlton Miller wrote an SCD article on the MBs three years ago. He talked to me, Dave Hornish and some others at the time. See http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/a-tale-of-the-yellow-back-1968-milton- The game wasn't a very good seller and involved using a spinner to get cards from the other players - win a card. Bob Lemke ran an article in SCD maybe 8 years ago at which time I ran around and picked them up pretty easily, except Nolan Ryan and Joe Namath. It solved the Cox/Brinkman mystery for me. The variation on the checklist card just came to light in the last few George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "George Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 15:50:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Another MB question From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 11:26:27 -0400 To: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Grading? From: Anson Whaley Hi EEK - I have always had my cards graded with SGC. I like the look of the holders and find the cases sturdy. I do not have many graded cards but I always prefer the look of SGC over the others. If security is of the greatest concern, Beckett has the strongest cases of the three. I always dread getting a card in a BGS case that I plan to crack. As far as the prices go, they will depend on what you're having graded. As a whole, SGC used to be cheaper than PSA but I know their prices went up recently, so I am not sure if that's still the case. Can't speak to Beckett. The biggest thing I hate about sending cards in to be graded is the wait. I can't speak to PSA as far as wait times but SGC has been really hit or miss. I've gotten my stuff back in advance of the advertised time a few times, but more times than not, they've been late with my shipments or took the absolute full amount of time. A couple of times, I even had to send them an email to prod them once it went beyond that. That was particularly annoying on one submission since I paid for an express service and it was late because they were doing a big show at the time. And the things I've sent them have been items of value but very low grade. Seemed simple enough to slap an SGC 10 or A on it and call it a day. That it takes three weeks to do that has always been kind of ridiculous to me. I maintain that if a reputable grading company would come along and get items out at a faster rate, they could do very well since that is a big annoyance of a lot of One thing to note is that, as anyone will tell you, PSA generally has a higher resale value so that's something to be considered. If you're talking four-figure stuff, it's probably worth it to look into PSA. But if you're talking lower-grade stuff under a few hundred dollars, the impact is going to be pretty minimal. Hope that helps some. On Tue, Mar 14, 2017 at 10:36 AM, EEK originaleek1@att.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Looking to have some cards graded.... thoughts, recommendations, pricing, > etc? Thanks for any input. > Earl "EEK" Kilbourn > "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 10:56:26 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2 1960 Leaf Baltimore Orioles baseball cards Pappas & Hoeft (high number) From: Rick High number no bids yet View item: 2 1960 Leaf Baltimore Orioles baseball cards Pappas & Hoeft (high number) End Time: Mar 15, 2017, 2:31:35 PM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 18:09:52 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Recent waiver wire From: Dan Angland Everyone who put in a request will be getting something. There is some stuff still available if you're curious. Thanks guys, have an OBC blizzard.Dan Angland ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:18:45 +0000 Subject: another Milton Bradley question From: Aaron Shirley Appreciate all the talk recently about the 1968 Milton Bradleys. I recentlybought some but I'm skeptical about my Colavito. My question is this: Could the white border be a false flag? Or, I guess, did these cards' Topps counterparts also show up with white borders in the same locations? I ask because my supposed Milton Bradley Colavito has a white bottom edge, and this is correct according to the pics shared recently and according to Tom's research. But the reverse doesn't really match up with the others. In fact, several of my assumed regular Topps cards are the same shade. So I'm not 100% convinced. But... I think this confusion is (for some) part of the reason these cards are so fascinating. What say you? ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 17:17:20 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: MB Colavito From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Aaron it=E2=99s sometimes hard to see the differences in the color of the backs. I know I have trouble seeing the difference sometimes. If you lookat the uncut sheet in the SCD article Colavito is placed right above football card of Ode Burrell. Since your card has the white edge on the bottom, I think it=E2=99s a MB! I just looked at my MB Colavito and there isn=E2=99t any white edge at all LOL! But when I slide the Colavito in with myregular =E268s, and fan them out in front of me(looking at the backs), his card really stands out! MB for sure! ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Aaron Shirley Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 22:51:45 +0000 Subject: Re: another Milton Bradley question From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 19:01:18 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: MB Fever From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Catch it! ================= Date: 14 Mar 2017 23:16:13 +0000 To: Subject: Re: another Milton Bradley question From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 00:09:59 +0000 Subject: Stargell RC on CL From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:01:34 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Another MB question From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Keep in mind that SGC does NOT grade 68s as MB's. I have the Ryan rookie and no question it's an MB, but at this time they don't tag them that way. They said they may in the future, which means I will get mine reslabbed. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/14/2017 11:51:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: A couple tidbits to toss out there: a ) You can tell that Topps probably didn't give this too much thought or didn't care. They had TWO checklists on the 132 card sheet, which would not have applied to the cards included in the game at all. one asks why? (or the general question on who chose the cards and what possessed them for the choices they made) b ) You can find the MB Ryan's (along with most of the others) on ebay too, and in many cases, either not ID-ed as MB cards or outright mislabeled (by TPGs). About a month or so ago I went through the Ryan listings and found at least 3 (and I believe more) that were NOT listed by PSA (etc) as MB cards and being sold as Topps (and I KNOW they were MBs). So they are still out there mixed/ID-ed as Topps. c ) Since the Cox/Brinkman are on the same sheet as all the other MB cards, these "Topps variations" were produced in NO more of a scarce/plentiful supply than any other MB cards for this game. So the production scarcity is about the same, however the availability is less due to the (still) demand for these as "Topps variations". And their relative cost to the other MB 'common' cards is skewed as well. A very good example of supply and demand for the kiddies. d ) Dr Miller's office is probably no more than 2 miles from my house, but have not yet had the chance to view his collection of these, of which he has a few high grade sets. One day... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:18 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Another MB question Dr Carlton Miller wrote an SCD article on the MBs three years ago. He talked to me, Dave Hornish and some others at the time. See http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/a-tale-of-the-yellow-back-1968-milton-bradley-set/ The game wasn=E2=99t a very good seller and involved using a spinner toget cards from the other players =E2=93 win a card. Bob Lemke ran an article in SCD maybe 8 years ago at which time I ran around and picked them up pretty easily, except Nolan Ryan and Joe Namath. It solved the Cox/Brinkman mystery for me. The variation on the checklist card just came to light in the last few George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:08:00 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Another MB question From: Jimi Thayer ......and don't forget that I still have several hundred '68 MBs left for sale. I may start putting them on EBay and on OBC before bringing a few to Strongsville for anyone going there. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 14, 2017, at 9:01 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Keep in mind that SGC does NOT grade 68s as MB's. I have the Ryan rookie and no question it's an MB, but at this time they don't tag them that way. They said they may in the future, which means I will get mine reslabbed. > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 3/14/2017 11:51:02 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > A couple tidbits to toss out there: > a ) You can tell that Topps probably didn't give this too much thought ordidn't care. They had TWO checklists on the 132 card sheet, which would not have applied to the cards included in the game at all. one asks why? (or the general question on who chose the cards and what possessed them for thechoices they made) > b ) You can find the MB Ryan's (along with most of the others) on ebay too, and in many cases, either not ID-ed as MB cards or outright mislabeled (by TPGs). About a month or so ago I went through the Ryan listings and found at least 3 (and I believe more) that were NOT listed by PSA (etc) as MB cards and being sold as Topps (and I KNOW they were MBs). So they are still out there mixed/ID-ed as Topps. > c ) Since the Cox/Brinkman are on the same sheet as all the other MB cards, these "Topps variations" were produced in NO more of a scarce/plentiful supply than any other MB cards for this game. So the production scarcity isabout the same, however the availability is less due to the (still) demandfor these as "Topps variations". And their relative cost to the other MB 'common' cards is skewed as well. A very good example of supply and demand for the kiddies. > d ) Dr Miller's office is probably no more than 2 miles from my house, but have not yet had the chance to view his collection of these, of which he has a few high grade sets. One day... > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 11:18 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Another MB question > Dr Carlton Miller wrote an SCD article on the MBs three years ago. He talked to me, Dave Hornish and some others at the time. See http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/a-tale-of-the-yellow-back-1968-milton-bradley-set/ > The game wasn=E2=99t a very good seller and involved using a spinner to get cards from the other players =E2=93 win a card. Bob Lemke ran an article in SCD maybe 8 years ago at which time I ran around and picked them up pretty easily, except Nolan Ryan and Joe Namath. It solved the Cox/Brinkman mystery for me. The variation on the checklist card just came to light in the last few years. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2017 21:24:02 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en If you are worried about lighting the candle, put the card in Tupperware with a dryer sheet. Not only will they smell better, but they won't cling to each other either! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/14/2017 10:58:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I've put them outside before for about a week, and it's helped considerable with the smell. Assuming humidity or sunlight is not an issue. Also if you are talking about 1 or 2 cards, you could try baking soda as well. Put down a layer, lay the card on top, over with another layer. (no need to bake at 350 for 20 minutes). Flick off the baking soda when done and make a not it was not anthrax. It may help as well. Or... combo the above 2. It will definitely reduce the smell without adding anything new. Or or.... put in a tupperware bowl with a candle after the above 2 actions to keep all your cards cinnamon-y fresh! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, March 14, 2017 8:43 AM To: Mike Glasser Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage Here is the auction... https://www.ebay.com/itm/122372136819 I suppose I should always assume the worst and ask questions. Nowhere do they mention anything about the marks or stains. I suppose just one picture should have been a red flag. Also now that I look at it, their feedback reflects a lot of my sentiments. Lots of negatives for the exact reason. Not disclosing condition. I asked for a refund, but if I don't get it, it's a reminder to stay on top of things. Honestly the marks and stains I can live with, the the smell of smoke on them is driving me crazy! I've never experienced that before. I don't want to put them in the binder to taint the other cards or pages! On Mar 14, 2017, at 8:13 AM, Mike Glasser _miglasser@aol.com_ (mailto:miglasser@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I've bought from them without incident. Sorry that happened. I generally find that if I'm disappointed it's because I didn't take the time to look at the pictures or read the info. I hope that you work it out! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Bessette _robsbessette@yahoo.com_ (mailto:robsbessette@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > To: OBC-Ramblings <_OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Mon, Mar 13, 2017 11:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Triple play vintage Bought a lot from them on eBay and am incredibly disappointed. Showed pics of the cards that looked fine from a 1961 Fleer set. I get them and 60 have marks on the back. 55 have stains on the front. And they all reek of smoke. That's not mentioning creases and paper loss. I know I should have asked those questions, there was no mention in the Anyone ever dealt with them before? It was pretty poor. ================= Date: 15 Mar 2017 04:54:23 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Boxing cards and others at local coin shop From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:08:16 +0000 Subject: 1970 Ovenca Venezuelan From: Shawn Smart Is this set considered tough? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:40:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Help me hit Erik Greenwood's lists From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Even though I get RAOKs from time to time, I like to send cards back no matter what, and I've been stumped by Erik Greenwood's list. Can anyone hit his lists for me, and I'll send something your way in trade? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= To: Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 11:40:02 -0500 Subject: Vintage boxing population by set From: "George Vrechek" Does anyone have this book? America's Great Boxing Cards 7th edition 2011-2012 - or an earlier version By Adam Warshaw I am trying to develop a number for all the boxing cards issued before 1981. I'll start with just the U.S. I have a number of about 1,100, but I know that is low. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 09:52:47 -0700 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Ovenca Venezuelan From: Rick I am hoping to report on this set in the next few days. But to answer your question if you get a big enough starter set you can cause there isn't a lot of real high priced cards. The problem would be they hardly come up so filling them in may take awhile. I sold Mike Rich a starter set of roughly 120 cards for $1 each low grade and have found a few more for him since. There is a lot on eBay now 108 different bin $199 I know you can get it for less it's someone I buy from once in awhile. They seem to be decent condition also. My experience with him you would have to offer at least half probablylittle more with the $8 shipping I would shoot for $112 that would be a great price for the condition. But realistically you my have to go higher. He's had them there for a little while it was $299 and he just lowered it to $199. Then the real work would begin trying to find the other 192 cards. Sent from my iPad > On Mar 15, 2017, at 5:08 AM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is this set considered tough? > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 10:04:00 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 )CONCEPCION, APARICIO,TOVAR,DAVALILLO From: Rick View item: 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 )CONCEPCION, APARICIO,TOVAR,DAVALILLO End Time: Mar 19, 2017, 4:32:54 PM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 17:20:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:58:52 -0400 To: VCT , Subject: Hank Aaron's for trade.... From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Wellllll....no HOF birthdays today, so I thought I'd see if anyone wants totrade for some of my Hank Aaron cards! :-) HANK AARON: 1957 Topps #20 EX (mc) Nice corners and no creases, but it is very offcentered 1958 Topps AS #488 VGEX with printer lines and wax on front 1959 Topps BT #467 VG couple of hairline creases, but very nice corners anddecent 1970 Topps Scratch-Offs (white) writing on back and scratched in the middle 1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (red) writing on front and back and scratched 1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (red) no writing; one scratched off box inside;creased 1973 Topps #100 F/G 1974 Topps #3, 4, 5, 6 - anywhere from VG to EXMT I can use HOF hits on either my sets or my HOF Collection. Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:21:43 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Wantlist links in Directory From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but nothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at Google Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 12:27:44 -0600 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: James Silva Yep =E2=94 just tried your list Geno - big white blank. That=E2=99s what I call a tough list to hit! > On Mar 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- > I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, butnothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at GoogleSites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 14:49:49 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: Ken M Trust me, it's not a lot easier when Geno's list shows up either. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: James Silva jfsilva25@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 2:28 PMTo: Geno Wagner;Cc: OBC Ramblings;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory Yep — just tried your list Geno - big white blank. That’s what I call a tough list to hit! On Mar 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Fellas -- I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but nothing happened.  I tried a few others and they seemed fine.  Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened.  If I go to my wantlist link at Google Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory.  Didn't we have this problem before? Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 13:04:11 -0600 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: James Silva Yes, Ken - I know this from experience. > On Mar 15, 2017, at 12:49 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Trust me, it's not a lot easier when Geno's list shows up either. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: James Silvajfsilva25@comcast.net > Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 2:28 PM > To: Geno Wagner; > Cc: OBC Ramblings; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory > Yep =E2=94 just tried your list Geno - big white blank. That=E2=99swhat I call a tough list to hit! >> On Mar 15, 2017, at 12:21 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Fellas -- >> I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but nothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at Google Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? >> Take Care, >> Geno ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:54:47 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Waivers...'61T & 79OPC From: chris tripler Don't know if this went through the first time (I never saw it come through)... pretty decent shape... 1961Ts#s 33 (x3), 36, 60 (x2), 61, 90, 94, 105 (poor), 131, 134, 135 (x2), 161, 169, 191, 195, 223 1979OPCs (mostly EXMT...)#s 2, 3, 13, 17, 20, 28, 36, 40, 45, 46, 58, 60, 61, 62, 64, 67, 68, 73, 74, 77, 79, 81, 84, 86, 87, 91, 97, 109, 112, 118, 119, 127, 152, 165, 214, 239, 241, 244, 246, 283, 285, 288, 289, 297, 300, 302, 305, 308, 315, 318, 321, 325, 336, 340, 346, 356, 359, 363 I'll try and spread them around as best as possible...have a good evening OBC. TripOBC 2015 ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 21:44:31 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 )CONCEPCION, APARICIO,TOVAR,DAVALILLO From: Rick Try this again Sent from my iPad > On Mar 15, 2017, at 6:56 PM, Rick wrote: > I see the lot has been sold did someone buy it? > Sent from my iPad >> On Mar 15, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Rick wrote: >> View item: >> 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 )CONCEPCION, APARICIO,TOVAR,DAVALILLO >> End Time: Mar 19, 2017, 4:32:54 PM PDT >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 02:28:10 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: 1977 World of Sports Cards From: Dan Angland Evening Gents, Anyone collect this set?Drop me a line, I have about 75 free for the taking.Have an OBC night.Dan Angland Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 09:43:15 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings , Wayne Delia Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: Joel Freedman WMD, can you look into this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory To: Geno Wagner , OBC Ramblings < I'm not sure how many guys are affected by this, but in my limited sampling, it seemed to be about 20% or so, with no access to their wantless. Can the AC look into this? I have tried to relink my list, to no avail. Maybe it's a Google thing...not sure. Take Care, *From:* "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < *To:* OBC Ramblings *Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:21 PM *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory Fellas -- I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but nothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at Google Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? Take Care, ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 13:45:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: JAY TYSVER same here Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 9:24 PM To: Geno Wagner; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory I'm not sure how many guys are affected by this, but in my limited sampling, it seemed to be about 20% or so, with no access to their wantless. Can the AC look into this? I have tried to relink my list, to no avail. Maybe it's a Google thing...not sure. Take Care, From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory Fellas -- I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but nothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at Google Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? Take Care, ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 02:50:31 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Waivers...1961T & 1979 OPC From: chris tripler pretty decent shape... 1961Ts#s 33 (x3), 36, 60 (x2), 61, 90, 94, 105 (poor), 131, 134, 135 (x2), 161, 169, 191, 195, 223 1979OPCs (mostly EXMT...)#s 2, 3, 13, 17, 20, 28, 36, 40, 45, 46, 58, 60, 61, 62, 64, 67, 68, 73, 74, 77, 79, 81, 84, 86, 87, 91, 97, 109, 112, 118, 119, 127, 152, 165, 214, 239, 241, 244, 246, 283, 285, 288, 289, 297, 300, 302, 305, 308, 315, 318, 321, 325, 336, 340, 346, 356, 359, 363 I'll try and spread them around as best as possible...have a good evening OBC. TripOBC 2015 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:30:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: Taylor Schock There is a simple workaround for getting access. Right click on the link you want to open, select "Open Link in new tab (or window)", and the want list will appear. I tried with Eric's, Geno's, and Joel's and that works fine. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 9:43 AM To: OBC Ramblings; Wayne Delia Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory WMD, can you look into this? ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory To: Geno Wagner >, OBC Ramblings > I'm not sure how many guys are affected by this, but in my limited sampling, it seemed to be about 20% or so, with no access to their wantless. Can the AC look into this? I have tried to relink my list, to no avail. Maybe it's a Google thing...not sure. Take Care, From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory Fellas -- I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but nothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at Google Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? Take Care, ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 08:06:59 -0700 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: John Stamper In the meantime my list is up and running!! https://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/1970s.php John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 > On Mar 16, 2017, at 6:43 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > WMD, can you look into this? > Regards, > Joel > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory > To: Geno Wagner , OBC Ramblings > I'm not sure how many guys are affected by this, but in my limited sampling, it seemed to be about 20% or so, with no access to their wantless. Canthe AC look into this? I have tried to relink my list, to no avail. Maybe it's a Google thing...not sure. > Take Care, > Geno > From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:21 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory > Fellas -- > I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, butnothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at GoogleSites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. Didn't we have this problem before? > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 11:47:11 -0400 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory From: Wayne Delia Yeah, I'll check into that as soon as I get my Papa John's pizza to carry me through the afternoon NCAA session. It sounds to me like a problem we've seen in the past - some of the wantlists are hosted on "sites.google.com" which should be no problem, but for some reason we can't re-direct the page to the Google websites, and also I can't fill the right-side content frame with anything from sites.google.com. (Yes, we're still using "frames" - just like the baseball cards we collect, the website is vintage and has scuffs and creases.) On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 9:43 AM, Joel Freedman > WMD, can you look into this? > Regards, > Joel > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Wed, Mar 15, 2017 at 10:24 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory > To: Geno Wagner , OBC Ramblings < > obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > I'm not sure how many guys are affected by this, but in my limited > sampling, it seemed to be about 20% or so, with no access to their wantless. > Can the AC look into this? I have tried to relink my list, to no avail. > Maybe it's a Google thing...not sure. > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* OBC Ramblings > *Sent:* Wednesday, March 15, 2017 12:21 PM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Wantlist links in Directory > Fellas -- > I went to click on Erik Greenwood's list to see if I could help Jimi, but > nothing happened. I tried a few others and they seemed fine. Then I tried > mine, and again, nothing happened. If I go to my wantlist link at Google > Sites, it works fine, and it's the one that's linked to the Directory. > Didn't we have this problem before? > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2017 18:56:54 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 )CONCEPCION, APARICIO,TOVAR,DAVALILLO From: Rick I see the lot has been sold did someone buy it? Sent from my iPad > On Mar 15, 2017, at 10:04 AM, Rick wrote: > View item: > 1970 VENEZUELA WL LOT (108 DIF of 300 )CONCEPCION, APARICIO,TOVAR,DAVALILLO > End Time: Mar 19, 2017, 4:32:54 PM PDT > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 14:09:17 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, VCT , Subject: Lloyd Waner's birthday today! From: Jimi Thayer These posts seem to be helping my HOF Collection out, so I'll keep truckingalong! Today is Lloyd Waner's birthday! No more HOF birthdays until Sunday, so this will be it for a few days. I am in need of anything prior to 1983 for both Waner brothers actually. Preferably something from their playing days, but I'd be happy to have anything to replace my 1983 Donruss Heroes cards of them. LOL Again.....I have plenty of trade bait. Right now I have a 3,000 box full of vintage star cards for trade. LET'S TRADE!! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:00:01 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Strong Arm Show From: ShoelessWes Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! Wes Shepard ================= Date: 16 Mar 2017 20:22:50 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Strong Arm Show From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 16:46:50 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Strong Arm Show From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I'll be there. I'm also planning on hosting a "mini-Swap" at the Twinsburg man cave again. ALL are welcome, we'll have beverages, pizza, and whatever wings are left over after Mike Rich is done. As a rule Saturday night works better, the show ends at 6:00 that day, and I live about 45 minutes east. I'll check with the wife about sleepovers, in case it gets too late to head back to Strongsville, or wherever your travels take you... Sam Taylor On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:22 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Count me in! > Tom Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 17:35:17 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strong Arm Show From: Mike Mackie I'm considering driving in from Wisconsin for this. I've heard good thingsabout the show and always welcome the chance to meet up with fellow collectors. At this stage I'd say more likely than not. Mike Mackie Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2017, at 2:00 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? > I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! > Wes Shepard ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 15:25:07 -0400 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strong Arm Show From: Yahoo I am going. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2017, at 15:00, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? > I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! > Wes Shepard ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 19:30:05 -0400 To: Yahoo Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strong Arm Show From: Jimi Thayer I hear I might be there too. ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 16, 2017, at 3:25 PM, Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I am going. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Mar 16, 2017, at 15:00, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? >> I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. Iplan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! >> Wes Shepard ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:56:42 -0400 To: duph182@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Turns out what Dan has are Sportscaster cards. George is now trying to compile a list of cards outside the big 4 sports and counts Sportscaster cardsas over 2100 cards. I have the first 73 series or 1752 cards, that I havenot included in my previous counts. Talk about a leap forward on the Burdick goal! I think I am now over 75,000 different vintage sports cards. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] To: OBC Ramblings ; OBC Wants Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 5:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Evening Gents, Anyone collect this set? Drop me a line, I have about 75 free for the taking. Have an OBC night. Dan Angland Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 22:02:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Strong Arm Show From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Considering I am in training for the chicken wing chow down tournament I will accept the challenge laid out by Sam. I guess I will therefore attend the show as well. Who else in FOOT is going to join me for the ride. Planning on the 1 day trip again, with arriving at Strongsville around noon. Westill have not heard from some Ohio and others within driving distance, such as Gersh, Hutch, Betza, Whaley, Pillion, Malson and Isaac. Last year furthest award went to Nick Pelletier. Mike Mackie leads this year, unless Nick is coming again. Maybe drive and hitch a ride this year??? Pick up some Chicago guys along the way??? I fully expect a double digit turnout ofOBC at Sam's. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 4:54 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Strong Arm Show I'll be there. I'm also planning on hosting a "mini-Swap" at the Twinsburg man cave again.ALL are welcome, we'll have beverages, pizza, and whatever wings are left over after Mike Rich is done. As a rule Saturday night works better, the show ends at 6:00 that day, and I live about 45 minutes east. I'll check withthe wife about sleepovers, in case it gets too late to head back to Strongsville, or wherever your travels take you... Sam Taylor On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:22 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Count me in! Sam Taylor ================= Date: 17 Mar 2017 02:00:09 +0000 To: Subject: 1970 Topps Football Waiver From: welfar03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 23:14:25 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Getting another 5000 cards, to achieve Burdick level, is going to be a realchallenge. I added around 1000+ last year, but that was driven by 2 largebird-dogged purchases of 400 Diamond Greats and 150 Dayton Daily News. InBB there are not that many large vintage sets that I do not already have or large chunks of that are affordable to me (Gypsy Queen, Sporting Life Cabinets and Old Judge are out of my price range). Likely the largest vintageBB set is 1972 TCMA the 30s set of 504 and then the1978 Grand Slam of 200cards. TCMA holds promise for adding chunks of cards. Otherwise it will be in "Other Sports", with British issues. I can add a few hundred HOF Plaque Postcards that I have not counted - yet. If anyone has suggestions forvintage sets I can still chase in the big 4 sports, please let me know. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: George Vrechek To: mikesportsfan ; duph182 ; obc-ramblings ; obc-wantlist Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 10:23 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Mike, how could you forget all those Sportscaster cards in your count? You are the only current (known) member of the Buck Barker recognition level which is 60,000 to 80,000 cards. You have to go over 80,000 to be in a world of your own again in the Jefferson Burdick level. If you go much beyond that you=E2=99ll get to name the level yourself. That Sportscaster set has to be the champion for featuring =E2=9Cother sports.=E2=9D Only 18% of the set features baseball, football, hockey andbasketball. I put in my two cents for any spare Sportscasters in order to catch up withMike and provide a good home for archery cards. George Vrechek From: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Wantlist] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:57 PM To: duph182@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Turns out what Dan has are Sportscaster cards. George is now trying to compile a list of cards outside the big 4 sports and counts Sportscaster cardsas over 2100 cards. I have the first 73 series or 1752 cards, that I havenot included in my previous counts. Talk about a leap forward on the Burdick goal! I think I am now over 75,000 different vintage sports cards. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] To: OBC Ramblings ; OBC Wants Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 5:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Evening Gents, Anyone collect this set? Drop me a line, I have about 75 free for the taking. Have an OBC night. Dan Angland Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: 17 Mar 2017 03:16:22 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Vintage boxing population by set From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 04:07:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 09:19:01 -0400 To: JTysver1@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Not a bad suggestion, but still not among the big 4 sports. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: mikesportsfan Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Fri, Mar 17, 2017 12:10 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards What about the Topps Soccer cards from 1975 and 1976. Jay Tysver On Mar 16, 2017, at 10:14 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Getting another 5000 cards, to achieve Burdick level, is going to be a realchallenge. I added around 1000+ last year, but that was driven by 2 largebird-dogged purchases of 400 Diamond Greats and 150 Dayton Daily News. InBB there are not that many large vintage sets that I do not already have or large chunks of that are affordable to me (Gypsy Queen, Sporting Life Cabinets and Old Judge are out of my price range). Likely the largest vintageBB set is 1972 TCMA the 30s set of 504 and then the1978 Grand Slam of 200cards. TCMA holds promise for adding chunks of cards. Otherwise it will be in "Other Sports", with British issues. I can add a few hundred HOF Plaque Postcards that I have not counted - yet. If anyone has suggestions forvintage sets I can still chase in the big 4 sports, please let me know. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: George Vrechek To: mikesportsfan ; duph182 ; obc-ramblings ; obc-wantlist Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 10:23 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Mike, how could you forget all those Sportscaster cards in your count? You are the only current (known) member of the Buck Barker recognition level which is 60,000 to 80,000 cards. You have to go over 80,000 to be in a world of your own again in the Jefferson Burdick level. If you go much beyond that you=E2=99ll get to name the level yourself. That Sportscaster set has to be the champion for featuring =E2=9Cother sports.=E2=9D Only 18% of the set features baseball, football, hockey andbasketball. I put in my two cents for any spare Sportscasters in order to catch up withMike and provide a good home for archery cards. George Vrechek From: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Wantlist] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:57 PM To: duph182@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Turns out what Dan has are Sportscaster cards. George is now trying to compile a list of cards outside the big 4 sports and counts Sportscaster cardsas over 2100 cards. I have the first 73 series or 1752 cards, that I havenot included in my previous counts. Talk about a leap forward on the Burdick goal! I think I am now over 75,000 different vintage sports cards. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] To: OBC Ramblings ; OBC Wants Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 5:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Evening Gents, Anyone collect this set? Drop me a line, I have about 75 free for the taking. Have an OBC night. Dan Angland Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 14:34:07 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: New discovery - W572 set From: Patrick Prickett Most of you know one of my passion projects is assembly the master set of W572 baseball cards. Until yesterday, I believed the master set totaled 450 Sepia cards and 450 black&white cards. Well, turns out "there is There are black&white cards that have a WHITE not grey back. I had already picked some of these up in the movie star portion of the master set, but since they had not been reported in the boxing or presidents portions, I figured it was just a movie star only run at some later point. Wellscratch that theory! I just picked upa w572 black&white with aWHITE back (Jimmy Dykes). My two requests for this group are: 1) if you have any black&white W572s, please check and see if any of yours have a white back, and if so, let me know. 2) If you see any black&white W572s with a white back - please grab them (or at least get a picture) for me! Now I have to go re-write my article (again!).Every time I think I have finally figured this set out, it throws me another curve ball. ================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 11:30:41 -0400 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Strong Arm Show From: Anson Whaley Howdy, gents - I am likely out on this one. Just been incredibly busy lately and I don't do much in the way of shows as it is. But I am planning on making it to one of the Robert Morris shows in Pittsburgh this year, which I believe are generally pretty strong. Haven't been there in years, though. On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 10:02 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Considering I am in training for the chicken wing chow down tournament I > will accept the challenge laid out by Sam. I guess I will therefore attend > the show as well. Who else in FOOT is going to join me for the ride. > Planning on the 1 day trip again, with arriving at Strongsville around > noon. We still have not heard from some Ohio and others within driving > distance, such as Gersh, Hutch, Betza, Whaley, Pillion, Malson and Isaac. > Last year furthest award went to Nick Pelletier. Mike Mackie leads this > year, unless Nick is coming again. Maybe drive and hitch a ride this > year??? Pick up some Chicago guys along the way??? I fully expect a > double digit turnout of OBC at Sam's. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 4:54 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Strong Arm Show > I'll be there. > I'm also planning on hosting a "mini-Swap" at the Twinsburg man cave > again. ALL are welcome, we'll have beverages, pizza, and whatever wings are > left over after Mike Rich is done. As a rule Saturday night works better, > the show ends at 6:00 that day, and I live about 45 minutes east. I'll > check with the wife about sleepovers, in case it gets too late to head back > to Strongsville, or wherever your travels take you... > Sam Taylor > On Thu, Mar 16, 2017 at 4:22 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Count me in! > Tom > -- > Sam Taylor ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 16:34:47 +0000 Subject: did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? From: Aaron Shirley Anyone ever play the 1970 - 1971 Topps Scratch Off game? Whether back in the 70's or even recently? ================= To: , Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2017 21:23:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards From: "George Vrechek" Mike, how could you forget all those Sportscaster cards in your count? You are the only current (known) member of the Buck Barker recognition level which is 60,000 to 80,000 cards. You have to go over 80,000 to be in a world of your own again in the Jefferson Burdick level. If you go much beyond that you=E2=99ll get to name the level yourself. That Sportscaster set has to be the champion for featuring =E2=9Cother sports.=E2=9D Only 18% of the set features baseball, football, hockey andbasketball. I put in my two cents for any spare Sportscasters in order to catch up withMike and provide a good home for archery cards. George Vrechek From: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Wantlist] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2017 8:57 PM To: duph182@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Turns out what Dan has are Sportscaster cards. George is now trying to compile a list of cards outside the big 4 sports and counts Sportscaster cardsas over 2100 cards. I have the first 73 series or 1752 cards, that I havenot included in my previous counts. Talk about a leap forward on the Burdick goal! I think I am now over 75,000 different vintage sports cards. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] To: OBC Ramblings ; OBC Wants Sent: Thu, Mar 16, 2017 5:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 1977 World of Sports Cards Evening Gents, Anyone collect this set? Drop me a line, I have about 75 free for the taking. Have an OBC night. Dan Angland Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= To: Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 13:44:09 -0400 Subject: NYC From: "Bob Donaldson" Spending a few days in NYC next week. My schedule is pretty tight, but I may have some time Monday afternoon. Any card shops in the area? ================= Date: 17 Mar 2017 17:51:50 +0000 To: Subject: Waiver stuff for Strongsville- used toploaders From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 20:53:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? From: Bob Reed About 20 years ago I started writing an application so you could play it onyour PC but I never finished it. I seem to recall getting stuck trying tocreate a baseball field to display where the runners were. I was even going to include a BLUE background for 1972 and use different photos. Now I have to find my old PC and see if it's still on there. Maybe I'll get around to finishing it. By the way, I did scratch it off back in 1970 and 1971. Most likely with my From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:38 PM To: uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? My 1971 scratch offs are from packs I opened 45 years ago. I played the game--a dime that wasn't spent on cards scratching the black gunk off the inserts. I must not have bought packs from the 1970 series when they were available--because I didn't even know the white background scratch offs even existed until I joined OBC. peter mead On 03/17/17, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone ever play the 1970 - 1971 Topps Scratch Off game? Whether back in the 70's or even recently? ================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 18:18:33 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Recent Submission From: ShoelessWes I recently paid the $0 fee to have a terribly damaged card sent to the GuruGrading The 1961 Topps #572 Brooks Robinson sporting news came back a gem mint 10! (Or, at least whats left of it) thanks Larry! Wes Shepard ================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 21:22:22 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Some blank want lists on the OBC Website From: Wayne Delia Guys, I've spent the past two days trying to straighten out the problem clicking on some of the wantlists from the Directory button on the main website's left-side navigation panel. The problem involves a multi-frame web page like the OBC home page, and it happens when trying to load content from want lists stored on the Google Sites area (sites.google.com). For example, Sal Domino's want list URL is https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/home (I like the layout of that want list). When we click on the "wantlist" link in the Directory next to Sal's name, which points to the sites.google.com link - nothing gets loaded in the big right-side content panel. It's a known problem on the Google Sites end with no commonly-known workaround or solution. As some of the fellas here have pointed out, you can generally right-click on the "wantlist" links in the directory, select "Open in new tab" (in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Mozilla Firefox browsers), and switch to the other tab to view the content. The unlucky OBC'ers affected by this are: Adriance, Codere, Craig, DeJong, Delott, Dillon, Dingman, Domino, Edwards, Elwell, Freedman, Greenwell, Harrell, Neill, Newman, Pillion, Thayer, Tripler, Wagner, Wiehe, and Yudt. I can't try to tell each one of them to go get another free web site host, they'll gang up on me and beat me about the head and shoulders. (Especially Sal.) But what I can do, at least temporarily, is hot-wire the code making up the OBC Directory page. Here's the temporary workaround I put in: If your website is hosted on Google Sites, and you click the "wantlist" link next to your name in the Directory, it will fill the whole window with the wantlist content - you'll lose the left-side navigation buttons panel. (To get back to the directory, just hit the "Page Back" button on your browser.) If your website is hosted anywhere else, it will fill the right-side content area and the left-side navigation buttons panel will still be there. That should hold us until we get a more permanent solution in place. ================= Date: Fri, 17 Mar 2017 15:14:18 -0700 To: Bob Reed Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? From: Andy Huntoon I've never played the Scratch Off games, but I'll never forget Bob and Spike playing the 1968 Topps Game cards at the restaurant in AC during last year's National. It was priceless when Bob drew a baseball field and rolled up little balls of paper to represent the runners. What a game that was too!! Extra innings and a walk off homer! Andy Huntoon On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > About 20 years ago I started writing an application so you could play it > on your PC but I never finished it. I seem to recall getting stuck trying > to create a baseball field to display where the runners were. I was even > going to include a BLUE background for 1972 and use different photos. > Now I have to find my old PC and see if it's still on there. Maybe I'll > get around to finishing it. > -Bob > By the way, I did scratch it off back in 1970 and 1971. Most likely with > my brother. > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, March 17, 2017 1:38 PM > *To:* uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off > game? > Aaron; > My 1971 scratch offs are from packs I opened 45 years ago. I played the > game--a dime that wasn't spent on cards scratching the black gunk off the > inserts. I must not have bought packs from the 1970 series when they were > available--because I didn't even know the white background scratch offs > even existed until I joined OBC. > peter mead > On 03/17/17, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]< > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Anyone ever play the 1970 - 1971 Topps Scratch Off game? Whether back in > the 70's or even recently? > Aaron ================= Date: 18 Mar 2017 15:23:27 +0000 To: Subject: Question on 1962 Salada coins From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:39:51 -0400 Subject: 1978 tcma 60's set on ebay From: "Matt Yudt" Not a bad price for someone looking to add over 200 cards to their collection for less than a penny per card, delivered. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-TCMA-Stars-Of-The-60s-Baseball-Cards-Lot-Comple ================= To: "'Andy Huntoon'" , Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 10:55:16 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? From: "Bob Donaldson" I played the scratch off game as a kid. Can=E2=99t remember too many details though. I also played the 68 game cards, which I bought a complete set of around 1972. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 6:14 PM To: Bob Reed Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? I've never played the Scratch Off games, but I'll never forget Bob and Spike playing the 1968 Topps Game cards at the restaurant in AC during last year's National. It was priceless when Bob drew a baseball field and rolled up little balls of paper to represent the runners. What a game that was too!! Extra innings and a walk off homer! Andy Huntoon On Fri, Mar 17, 2017 at 1:53 PM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: About 20 years ago I started writing an application so you could play it onyour PC but I never finished it. I seem to recall getting stuck trying tocreate a baseball field to display where the runners were. I was even going to include a BLUE background for 1972 and use different photos. Now I have to find my old PC and see if it's still on there. Maybe I'll get around to finishing it. By the way, I did scratch it off back in 1970 and 1971. Most likely with my From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2017 1:38 PM To: uthminsta@hotmail.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] did you ever PLAY the Topps Scratch-Off game? My 1971 scratch offs are from packs I opened 45 years ago. I played the game--a dime that wasn't spent on cards scratching the black gunk off the inserts. I must not have bought packs from the 1970 series when they were available--because I didn't even know the white background scratch offs even existed until I joined OBC. peter mead On 03/17/17, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Anyone ever play the 1970 - 1971 Topps Scratch Off game? Whether back in the 70's or even recently? ================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:03:21 -0400 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 tcma 60's set on ebay From: chris tripler Just picked it up. Thanks for the heads up on this set!! Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 18, 2017, at 10:39 AM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not a bad price for someone looking to add over 200 cards to their collection for less than a penny per card, delivered=E2=A6 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-TCMA-Stars-Of-The-60s-Baseball-Cards-Lot-Complete-Set-/252818486592?hashitem3add27f540:g:V6wAAOSwWxNYxth2 > cheers, > Matt ================= To: , Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:10:32 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on 1962 Salada coins From: "Bob Donaldson" My 2011 SCD says they came in six different colors, coded by team. I only have one, Yaz, which is orange From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 11:23 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on 1962 Salada coins I just bought a vintage oddball lot, and included was a 1962 Salada coin ofFelix Mantilla, # 183. All of the Salada coins I can find online are red, but this one is blue. Is there a premium/difference at all based on the color of the coins? Thanks for any help! ================= Date: 18 Mar 2017 18:50:15 +0000 To: Subject: who needs 1970 posters - free From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 12:39:26 -0700 To: Ramblings OBC Subject: Orlando Florida Bound From: John Stamper I am heading to Orlando Florida to spend time with my daughter who is working at Disney this Spring. I will be there from 4/6-4/11. I don't know what days or time I'll have free, but if you're nearby send me an email. Perhapswe can get together. Going to a Rays game for sure. Again not sure what day/night. John Stamper ================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:40:33 -0400 To: yudts5@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 tcma 60's set on ebay From: mikesportsfan@aol.com New math or inflation??? $14.00 for 293 cards is almost a nickel a card. Still a nice buy. -----Original Message----- From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Matt Yudt Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Mar 18, 2017 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 tcma 60's set on ebay Just picked it up. Thanks for the heads up on this set!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2017, at 10:39 AM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Not a bad price for someone looking to add over 200 cards to their collection for less than a penny per card, delivered=E2=A6 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-TCMA-Stars-Of-The-60s-Baseball-Cards-Lot-Complete-Set-/252818486592?hashitem3add27f540:g:V6wAAOSwWxNYxth2 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 16:36:32 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on 1962 Salada coins From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Each team had its own color disc/coin holder. The picture discs frequentlyfall out of their holders. Many get popped back into a holder, but it is not the proper holder for that disc. They are not variations or rare, justdiscs put into the wrong coin holder. The coins/disc holders were issued with different backs, including Shirriff, Quaker Lucky Coin (for some non-sport issue, among others). I have a couple BB in Quaker Lucky Coin holdersthat I put with my variations because I like it. I have seen some discs intentionally taken out of one holder and put into another to try and create a rare coin. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: jehutch75 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Mar 18, 2017 12:43 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on 1962 Salada coins My 2011 SCD says they came in six different colors, coded by team. I only have one, Yaz, which is orange From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 11:23 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on 1962 Salada coins I just bought a vintage oddball lot, and included was a 1962 Salada coin ofFelix Mantilla, # 183. All of the Salada coins I can find online are red, but this one is blue. Is there a premium/difference at all based on the color of the coins? Thanks for any help! ================= To: "'chris tripler'" Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 13:31:04 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 tcma 60's set on ebay From: "Matt Yudt" Cool =E2=93 but I hope it wasn=E2=99t based on my arithmetic! That would be under 10 cents per card=E2=A6. Ugh. From: chris tripler [mailto:cetripler@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, March 18, 2017 12:03 PM To: Matt Yudt Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 tcma 60's set on ebay Just picked it up. Thanks for the heads up on this set!! Sent from my iPhone On Mar 18, 2017, at 10:39 AM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Not a bad price for someone looking to add over 200 cards to their collection for less than a penny per card, delivered=E2=A6 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1978-TCMA-Stars-Of-The-60s-Baseball-Cards-Lot-Complete-Set-/252818486592?hashitem3add27f540:g:V6wAAOSwWxNYxth2 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Mar 2017 19:12:29 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Waivers From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I went through the want lists, and am sending out some RAOKs. But can=E2=99t find homes for these! Cleaning out my dupes box, claim away! 1. 1920 T220 Mecca boxer Willie Beecher 2. non sports 1947 Indian Gum #51 hole punch (like the =E233s but black 3. non sports 1951 Bowman =E2=9CFight The Red Menace=E2=9D #24 4. non sports 1951 Bowman =E2=9CFight The Red Menace=E2=9D #46 5. 1962 Topps baseball stamps: Baldschun Banks Pizarro (claim one or all) 6. 1970-71 Topps basketball tall-boys: 29 42 68 88 88 89 (starter set or singles) 7. non sports 1976 Donruss =E2=9CSpace 1999=E2=9D: 26 34 40 43 46 47 48 53 54 (starter set or singles) ================= Date: 19 Mar 2017 00:43:38 +0000 To: Subject: 1970 posters gone except From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 04:12:58 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: sun times show report From: John Dahms Was lucky enough to have the weekend off and along with Ron Perry we took off to Chicago to hang out at the sun times show. As always with Ron the drive to and from Chicago was uneventful and full of conversation. Ron was kind enough to hand me an envelope with a nice assortment of post and hostess. A very nice way to start the show! Found Gary Mandel and George vrechek at who else table but uncle docks. Had a nice chat with them and then I was off to find big bobs table. Turns out bob wasn't there along with Ron Estes and a couple other dealers who didn't come kinda made it a bit short on OBC dealers. It was a good thing that Uncle Dick had just stocked his bargain boxes before the show. And boy did I take full advantage of his hard work. My goal for the show was to concentrate on my 56-58 tops sets and the 54and55bowmans and for the first time I didn't fly completely off the handle and stuck to the script. Started the day needing 6 cards for my 56set. Knocked it down to 2 Picked up 10cards for my 57topps set with a bunch of them from the tough mid series. Even was able to find a couple of hits for grants 57list too! Took the 58 topps set down to a very doable half dozen needs A dozen 55and a half dozen 54 bowman for the binders. But the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake was finding the Bart Starr and Paul honing cards to finish off my 1959topps football set If you have made it this far I appreciate you reading and as you can guess I am beyond stoked with my day Be well OBC and everyone have a great NCAA Brackett Sunday. And GO GREEN!!!!!!!!! John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 19 Mar 2017 14:56:59 +0000 To: Subject: Nashville Show From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: JAY TYSVER Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 15:47:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nashville Show From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 12:29:47 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some blank want lists on the OBC Website From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en First off, I need a step stool to beat Wayne about the head and shoulders. I never even noticed the problem, because I always right click and open in another tab, if I'm looking through a certain year, I pop up a few lists at the same time. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/17/2017 10:47:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Guys, I've spent the past two days trying to straighten out the problem clicking on some of the wantlists from the Directory button on the main website's left-side navigation panel. The problem involves a multi-frame web page like the OBC home page, and it happens when trying to load content from want lists stored on the Google Sites area (_sites.google.com_ (http://sites.google.com/) ). For example, Sal Domino's want list URL is https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/home (I like the layout of that want list). When we click on the "wantlist" link in the Directory next to Sal's name, which points to the _sites.google.com_ (http://sites.google.com/) link - nothing gets loaded in the big right-side content panel. It's a known problem on the Google Sites end with commonly-known workaround or solution. As some of the fellas here have pointed out, you can generally right-click on the "wantlist" links in the directory, select "Open in new tab" (in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Mozilla Firefox browsers), and switch to the other tab to view the content. The unlucky OBC'ers affected by this are: Adriance, Codere, Craig, DeJong, Delott, Dillon, Dingman, Domino, Edwards, Elwell, Freedman, Greenwell, Harrell, Neill, Newman, Pillion, Thayer, Tripler, Wagner, Wiehe, and Yudt. I can't try to tell each one of them to go get another free web site host, they'll gang up on me and beat me about the head and shoulders. (Especially Sal.) But what I can do, at least temporarily, is hot-wire the code making up the OBC Directory page. Here's the temporary workaround I put in: If your website is hosted on Google Sites, and you click the "wantlist" link next to your name in the Directory, it will fill the whole window with the wantlist content - you'lllose the left-side navigation buttons panel. (To get back to the directory, just hit the "Page Back" button on your browser.) If your website is hosted anywhere else, it will fill the right-side content area and the left-side navigation buttons panel will still be there. That should hold us until we get a more permanent solution in place. ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 16:47:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Subject: Kelloggs set storage From: mark holland Hey guys, with baseball season drawing near I am having withdrawals from being away from my cards. I have even considered going to Wal-mart to get some packs just to have cards nearby. My wife mentioned this morning that she is going to clean the closet in my card room. My first thought was the 8 or 10 complete kelloggs sets stacked in there. I have always stored my kelloggs cards in penny sleeves and rigid plastic cases. When the set is complete I use masking tape to bind them together in a pretty manageable block. The tape is great for labeling too. How do you guys store your kelloggs sets? Mark Holland First off, I need a step stool to beat Wayne about the head and I never even noticed the problem, because I always right click and open in another tab, if I'm looking through a certain year, I pop up a few lists at the same time. OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/17/2017 10:47:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Guys, I've spent the past two days trying to straighten out the problem clicking on some of the wantlists from the Directory button on the main website's left-side navigation panel. The problem involves a multi-frame web page like the OBC home page, and it happens when trying to load content from want lists stored on the Google Sites area (sites.google.com). For example, Sal Domino's want list URL ishttps://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/home (I like the layout of that want list). When we click on the "wantlist" link in the Directory next to Sal's name, which points to the sites.google.com link - nothing gets loaded in the big right-side content panel. It's a known problem on the Google Sites end with no commonly-known workaround or solution. As some of the fellas here have pointed out, you can generally right-click on the "wantlist" links in the directory, select "Open in new tab" (in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Mozilla Firefox browsers), and switch to the other tab to view the The unlucky OBC'ers affected by this are: Adriance, Codere, Craig, DeJong, Delott, Dillon, Dingman, Domino, Edwards, Elwell, Freedman, Greenwell, Harrell, Neill, Newman, Pillion, Thayer, Tripler, Wagner, Wiehe, and I can't try to tell each one of them to go get another free web site host, they'll gang up on me and beat me about the head and shoulders. (Especially Sal.) But what I can do, at least temporarily, is hot-wire the code making up the OBC Directory page. Here's the temporary workaround I put in: If your website is hosted on Google Sites, and you click the "wantlist" link next to your name in the Directory, it will fill the whole window with the wantlist content - you'll lose the left-side navigation buttons panel. (To get back to the directory, just hit the "Page Back" button on your browser.) If your website is hosted anywhere else, it will fill the right-side content area and the left-side navigation buttons panel will still be there. 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Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2017, at 13:35, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I store mine in a titanium covered box whose sides are laced with eighty inches of lead. > I then place them in an air tight compartment 75 feet under my house which is guarded by my three-headed dog. > Jay Tysver > On Mar 19, 2017, at 11:47 AM, mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hey guys, with baseball season drawing near I am having withdrawals frombeing away from my cards. I have even considered going to Wal-mart to get some packs just to have cards nearby. My wife mentioned this morning that she is going to clean the closet in my card room. My first thought was the 8or 10 complete kelloggs sets stacked in there. I have always stored my kelloggs cards in penny sleeves and rigid plastic cases. When the set is complete I use masking tape to bind them together in a pretty manageable block. The tape is great for labeling too. >> How do you guys store your kelloggs sets? >> Mark Holland >> First off, I need a step stool to beat Wayne >> about the head and >> shoulders. >> I never even noticed the problem, because I always >> right click and open in >> another tab, if I'm looking through a certain year, I >> pop up a few lists at the >> same time. >> Sal >> Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> In a message dated 3/17/2017 10:47:49 P.M. Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: >> Guys, I've spent the past two days >> trying to straighten out the >> problem clicking on some of the wantlists from the >> Directory button on the >> main website's left-side navigation panel. >> The problem involves a multi-frame web page like the >> OBC home page, and >> it happens when trying to load content from want lists >> stored on the Google >> Sites area (sites.google.com). For >> example, Sal >> Domino's want list URL is https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/home >> (I like the layout of that want list). When we click on >> the "wantlist" link in >> the Directory next to Sal's name, which points to the >> sites.google.com link - >> nothing gets >> loaded in the big right-side content panel. It's a >> known problem on the Google >> Sites end with no commonly-known workaround or solution. >> As some of the fellas >> here have pointed out, you can generally right-click on >> the "wantlist" links >> in the directory, select "Open in new tab" (in >> Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, >> and Mozilla Firefox browsers), and switch to the other tab >> to view the >> content. >> The unlucky OBC'ers affected by this are: >> Adriance, Codere, Craig, >> DeJong, Delott, Dillon, Dingman, Domino, Edwards, Elwell, >> Freedman, Greenwell, >> Harrell, Neill, Newman, Pillion, Thayer, Tripler, Wagner, >> Wiehe, and >> Yudt. >> I can't try to tell each one of them to go get >> another free web site >> host, they'll gang up on me and beat me about the head >> and shoulders. >> (Especially Sal.) But what I can do, at least temporarily, >> is hot-wire the >> code making up the OBC Directory page. >> Here's the temporary workaround I put in: If your >> website is hosted on >> Google Sites, and you click the "wantlist" link >> next to your name in the >> Directory, it will fill the whole window with the wantlist >> content - you'll >> lose the left-side navigation buttons panel. (To get back >> to the directory, >> just hit the "Page Back" button on your >> browser.) If your website is hosted >> anywhere else, it will fill the right-side content area >> and the left-side >> navigation buttons panel will still be there. >> That should hold us until we get a more permanent >> solution in >> place. >> Best, >> WMD >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149 -- >> #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp { >> border:1px solid #d8d8d8;font-family:Arial;margin:10px >> 0;padding:0 10px;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp hr { >> border:1px solid #d8d8d8;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp #yiv7723331149hd { >> color:#628c2a;font-size:85%;font-weight:700;line-height:122%;margin:10px >> 0;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp #yiv7723331149ads { >> margin-bottom:10px;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp .yiv7723331149ad { >> padding:0 0;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp .yiv7723331149ad p { >> margin:0;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-mkp .yiv7723331149ad a { >> color:#0000ff;text-decoration:none;} >> #yiv7723331149 #yiv7723331149ygrp-sponsor >> 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Wes Shepard > On Mar 16, 2017, at 3:00 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? > I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! > Wes Shepard ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 13:06:22 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs set storage [1 Attachment] From: John Stamper All my first set cards go in binders. The Kellogg's are in 9 pocket pages. This way I can easily look at my cards and when I put a card in the binder I see the other cards. This allows me to enjoy the cards more often. John Stamper > On Mar 19, 2017, at 10:02 AM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from OBC Nick P included below] > I use 100 count snap cases. It gets a little tight at the end but I findit works very well. It keeps them together and it's easy to see what's inthere. > Of course I do this for more than just Kellogg's. It's a lot of the smaller count sets. > > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com >> On Mar 19, 2017, at 11:47 AM, mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hey guys, with baseball season drawing near I am having withdrawals frombeing away from my cards. I have even considered going to Wal-mart to get some packs just to have cards nearby. My wife mentioned this morning that she is going to clean the closet in my card room. My first thought was the 8or 10 complete kelloggs sets stacked in there. I have always stored my kelloggs cards in penny sleeves and rigid plastic cases. When the set is complete I use masking tape to bind them together in a pretty manageable block. The tape is great for labeling too. >> How do you guys store your kelloggs sets? >> Mark Holland >> First off, I need a step stool to beat Wayne >> about the head and >> shoulders. >> I never even noticed the problem, because I always >> right click and open in >> another tab, if I'm looking through a certain year, I >> pop up a few lists at the >> same time. >> Sal >> Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> In a message dated 3/17/2017 10:47:49 P.M. Eastern >> Daylight Time, >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: >> Guys, I've spent the past two days >> trying to straighten out the >> problem clicking on some of the wantlists from the >> Directory button on the >> main website's left-side navigation panel. >> The problem involves a multi-frame web page like the >> OBC home page, and >> it happens when trying to load content from want lists >> stored on the Google >> Sites area (sites.google.com). For >> example, Sal >> Domino's want list URL is https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/home >> (I like the layout of that want list). When we click on >> the "wantlist" link in >> the Directory next to Sal's name, which points to the >> sites.google.com link - >> nothing gets >> loaded in the big right-side content panel. It's a >> known problem on the Google >> Sites end with no commonly-known workaround or solution. >> As some of the fellas >> here have pointed out, you can generally right-click on >> the "wantlist" links >> in the directory, select "Open in new tab" (in >> Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, >> and Mozilla Firefox browsers), and switch to the other tab >> to view the >> content. >> The unlucky OBC'ers affected by this are: >> Adriance, Codere, Craig, >> DeJong, Delott, Dillon, Dingman, Domino, Edwards, Elwell, >> Freedman, Greenwell, >> Harrell, Neill, Newman, Pillion, Thayer, Tripler, Wagner, >> Wiehe, and >> Yudt. >> I can't try to tell each one of them to go get >> another free web site >> host, they'll gang up on me and beat me about the head >> and shoulders. >> (Especially Sal.) But what I can do, at least temporarily, >> is hot-wire the >> code making up the OBC Directory page. >> Here's the temporary workaround I put in: If your >> website is hosted on >> Google Sites, and you click the "wantlist" link >> next to your name in the >> Directory, it will fill the whole window with the wantlist >> content - you'll >> lose the left-side navigation buttons panel. (To get back >> to the directory, >> just hit the "Page Back" button on your >> browser.) 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Central Daylight Time, OBC-Wantlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: With last year's show attendence wiped out by my political campaign, it had been almost two years since I attended one. Yesterday was the day. Walked in, and easily spotted Uncle Dick's florescent green booth. I spent a while there searching for cards and chatting with GEORGE VRECHEK. RON PERRY and JOHN DAHMS came by a few minutes later. With Mike and Nick absent, that was it for OBC sitings for the day. It still doesn't seem like complete show without TJ there, but I hope we can see him sometime soon. Praying that his NIH study will help him find some answers. Focus of the day was my football post and philadelphia sets. Spent about 20 minutes going through Dick's beater box, and picked up a few, including a post dowler (always fighting for packers at the chicago shows). I then spent five hours at AJ Firestone's (all football booth). Sets are sorted by set and year, and since I only had 5 sets to look through, it averaged an hour per. I could have been done in an hour total if the cards had been in order. Not sure if spending that much time is a good thing, as it preserved my cash. or a bad thing, as he had boxes in back that werent displayed and I could have found more, and spent more. He tells me that putting cards in order is helpful for about an hour, and then they are a mess. Even a sign saying put things back in order is generally ignored. As my wantlists get smaller, I get older, and my body rebels against standing on a concrete floor for 5 straight hours, the lure of spending hours going through unsorted commons is wearing off. That is usually offset if it a dealer that I know well (Kurt, AJ, etc), and we BS along the way. Otherwise, I find that I am walking past those booths at this point. I saw JD, Chappell, I think Chandy and a few other dealers we know. One other guy saw the OBC hat and quizzed me on what he should bring to national. The jist of the conversation, which he couldn't get his arms around, that most OBCers, being set collectors, would rather get a good price on lesser quality if they can make a big dent in their wantlists the pay up for EX and better. He went back and forth from liking the idea to not wanting to lug his creased and damaged corner cards up here in August. And would we pay 10-15% book anyways if he did. I suspect he wont get a ton of OBC biz, but it was an interesting conversation in any case. As far as my wantlists, all five sets are now more than half done, so are listed as want lists on my football page. No doubt that between now and national, I am hoping to get close to finishing them. And still pissed off that I sold my philly sets a few years back anyways! Looking forward to seeing everyone here the last week in August. Cubs out of town that week though Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:30:35 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fan Fest aka Sun Times show report and a little rambling too From: smartalecx@aol.com With last year's show attendence wiped out by my political campaign, it had been almost two years since I attended one. Yesterday was the day. Walked in, and easily spotted Uncle Dick's florescent green booth. I spent a while there searching for cards and chatting with GEORGE VRECHEK. RON PERRY and JOHN DAHMS came by a few minutes later. With Mike and Nick absent, that was it for OBC sitings for the day. It still doesn't seem like a complete show without TJ there, but I hope we can see him sometime soon. Praying that his NIH study will help him find some answers. Focus of the day was my football post and philadelphia sets. Spent about 20 minutes going through Dick's beater box, and picked up a few, including a post dowler (always fighting for packers at the chicago shows). I then spent five hours at AJ Firestone's (all football booth). Sets are sorted by set and year, and since I only had 5 sets to look through, it averaged an hour per. I could have been done in an hour total if the cards had been in order. Not sure if spending that much time is a good thing, as it preserved my cash. or a bad thing, as he had boxes in back that werent displayed and I could have found more, and spent more. He tells me that putting cards in order is helpful for about an hour, and then they are a mess. Even a sign saying put things back in order is generally ignored. As my wantlists get smaller, I get older, and my body rebels against standing on a concrete floor for 5 straight hours, the lure of spending hours going through unsorted commons is wearing off. That is usually offset if it a dealer that I know well (Kurt, AJ, etc), and we BS along the way. Otherwise, I find that I am walking past those booths at this point. I saw JD, Chappell, I think Chandy and a few other dealers we know. One other guy saw the OBC hat and quizzed me on what he should bring to national. The jist of the conversation, which he couldn't get his arms around, was that most OBCers, being set collectors, would rather get a good price on lesser quality if they can make a big dent in their wantlists the pay up for EX and better. He went back and forth from liking the idea to not wanting to lug his creased and damaged corner cards up here in August. And would we pay 10-15% book anyways if he did. I suspect he wont get a ton of OBC biz, but it was an interesting conversation in any case. As far as my wantlists, all five sets are now more than half done, so are listed as want lists on my football page. No doubt that between now and national, I am hoping to get close to finishing them. And still pissed off that I sold my philly sets a few years back anyways! Looking forward to seeing everyone here the last week in August. Cubs out of town that week though Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:41:19 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I pulled cards numbered 110 through 196 from my 1962 set, and I=E2=99m going to try to establish a wantlist of some kind for the green tints. Over the years I=E2=99ve added a few of the green tints, but never really paid too much attention to them. I=E2=99ve seen Tom Housleys side by side photos, but I can=E2=99t always see the color differences. I saw a Net54 post where the different croppings of the cards are highlighted and explained which helped. Is there a link or file where the different cropping are explained? ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 14:57:08 -0700 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Andy Huntoon Hi Guru, I'd like to know the same thing. There's a guy on N54 that has made really nice side by side comparisons that show the cropping differences but he only shared a few of them on the boards. I asked him once if he had them in some file he could send me so I could learn about the green tints too, and he told me they were proprietary and didn't want to share them. I was a little confused as to why he put so much work into making them and didn't even offer to share them with me for a price if he didn't want to freely offer them. Anyway, If anyone knows a source for what Larry is looking for, I'd be interested as well. Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I pulled cards numbered 110 through 196 from my 1962 set, and I=E2=99mgoing > try to establish a wantlist of some kind for the green tints. Over the > years I=E2=99ve added a few of the green tints, but never really paid too > attention to them. > I=E2=99ve seen Tom Housleys side by side photos, but I can=E2=99t always see the > color differences. > I saw a Net54 post where the different croppings of the cards are > highlighted and explained which helped. > Is there a link or file where the different cropping are explained? > Guru ================= To: Andy Huntoon , "directorth@aol.com" Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:44:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:52:41 -0400 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints From: "Thomas W. Billing" I=E2=99ll help to whatever extent is needed. Tom Housely for sainthood! Tom Billing > On Mar 19, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Challenge accepted. If I could use Tom's pics, I could do a crop and zoomand do one or two per page, then create a PDF with notes and everything. Would anyone like to be a text contributor? > Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Hi Guru, >> I'd like to know the same thing. >> There's a guy on N54 that has made really nice side by side comparisons that show the cropping differences but he only shared a few of them on the boards. I asked him once if he had them in some file he could send me so Icould learn about the green tints too, and he told me they were proprietary and didn't want to share them. I was a little confused as to why he put so much work into making them and didn't even offer to share them with me for a price if he didn't want to freely offer them. Anyway, If anyone knowsa source for what Larry is looking for, I'd be interested as well. >> Thanks, >> Andy Huntoon >> OBC Rules!!! >> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> I pulled cards numbered 110 through 196 from my 1962 set, and I=E2=99m going to try to establish a wantlist of some kind for the green tints. Over the years I=E2=99ve added a few of the green tints, but never really paid too much attention to them. >> I=E2=99ve seen Tom Housleys side by side photos, but I can=E2=99t always see the color differences. >> I saw a Net54 post where the different croppings of the cards are highlighted and explained which helped. >> Is there a link or file where the different cropping are explained? >> Guru ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:30:59 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: OBC fantasy baseball ???? From: mark holland Did we set up a fantasy baseball league thisyear? Is there any interest if we haven't? What do you think of an entry fee vs. hitting want list. Some lists are impossible for me to hit....especially from here. But I can transfer $10 on PayPal pretty quickly. LMK if we have one going.thanks!Mark Holland ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 17:57:20 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Nate Mack I have a link on my webpage of the green tint tells. Some I have to admit are very very tiny. This is a list I put together to help me at shows. I will try to link it here, but I am on my phone. Tom's reference is very helpful http://natesbaseballcardtradingco.weebly.com/1962-topps-green-tint-tells.html Nate Mack Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2017, at 5:44 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Challenge accepted. If I could use Tom's pics, I could do a crop and zoomand do one or two per page, then create a PDF with notes and everything. Would anyone like to be a text contributor? > Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 19, 2017, at 4:57 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hi Guru, >> I'd like to know the same thing. >> There's a guy on N54 that has made really nice side by side comparisons that show the cropping differences but he only shared a few of them on the boards. I asked him once if he had them in some file he could send me so Icould learn about the green tints too, and he told me they were proprietary and didn't want to share them. I was a little confused as to why he put so much work into making them and didn't even offer to share them with me for a price if he didn't want to freely offer them. Anyway, If anyone knowsa source for what Larry is looking for, I'd be interested as well. >> Thanks, >> Andy Huntoon >> OBC Rules!!! >>> On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 2:41 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I pulled cards numbered 110 through 196 from my 1962 set, and I=E2=99m going to try to establish a wantlist of some kind for the green tints.Over the years I=E2=99ve added a few of the green tints, but never really paid too much attention to them. >>> I=E2=99ve seen Tom Housleys side by side photos, but I can=E2=99talways see the color differences. >>> I saw a Net54 post where the different croppings of the cards are highlighted and explained which helped. >>> Is there a link or file where the different cropping are explained? >>> Guru ================= To: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 18:03:05 -0500 Subject: Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: "George Vrechek" I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences. I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:14:35 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Ken M I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as well if you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences. I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also has a cropping differences even if it is slight.George Vrechek  ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:19:56 -0400 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sun times show report From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Congrats on the death of your 59 Football set! Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC ramblings Sent: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 12:15 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sun times show report Was lucky enough to have the weekend off and along with Ron Perry we took off to Chicago to hang out at the sun times show. As always with Ron the drive to and from Chicago was uneventful and full of conversation. Ron was kind enough to hand me an envelope with a nice assortment of post and hostess. A very nice way to start the show! Found Gary Mandel and George vrechek at who else table but uncle docks. Had a nice chat with them and then I was off to find big bobs table. Turns out bob wasn't there along with Ron Estes and a couple other dealers who didn't come kinda made it a bit short on OBC dealers. It was a good thing that Uncle Dick had just stocked his bargain boxes before the show. And boy did I take full advantage of his hard work. My goal for the show was to concentrate on my 56-58 tops sets and the 54and55bowmans and for the first time I didn't fly completely off the handle and stuck to the script. Started the day needing 6 cards for my 56set. Knocked it down to 2 Picked up 10cards for my 57topps set with a bunch of them from the tough mid series. Even was able to find a couple of hits for grants 57list too! Took the 58 topps set down to a very doable half dozen needs A dozen 55and a half dozen 54 bowman for the binders. But the cherry on top of the icing on top of the cake was finding the Bart Starr and Paul honing cards to finish off my 1959topps football set If you have made it this far I appreciate you reading and as you can guess I am beyond stoked with my day Be well OBC and everyone have a great NCAA Brackett Sunday. And GO GREEN!!!!!!!!! John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:22:44 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs set storage From: t j valacak Content-Disposition: inline Even though they have a little curl, I store mine in 9 pocket sheets and have my 1970-1980 in one binder. I always enjoy looking through them whenever I get a hot to the Kelloggs collection. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-03-19 12:53:43 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs set storage Hey guys, with baseball season drawing near I am having withdrawals from being away from my cards. I have even considered going to Wal-mart to get some packs just to have cards nearby. My wife mentioned this morning that she is going to clean the closet in my card room. My first thought was the 8 or10 complete kelloggs sets stacked in there. I have always stored my kelloggs cards in penny sleeves and rigid plastic cases. When the set is completeI use masking tape to bind them together in a pretty manageable block. Thetape is great for labeling too. How do you guys store your kelloggs sets? Mark Holland First off, I need a step stool to beat Wayne about the head and I never even noticed the problem, because I always right click and open in another tab, if I'm looking through a certain year, I pop up a few lists at the same time. OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/17/2017 10:47:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Guys, I've spent the past two days trying to straighten out the problem clicking on some of the wantlists from the Directory button on the main website's left-side navigation panel. The problem involves a multi-frame web page like the OBC home page, and it happens when trying to load content from want lists stored on the Google Sites area (sites.google.com). For example, Sal Domino's want list URL is https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/home (I like the layout of that want list). When we click on the "wantlist" link in the Directory next to Sal's name, which points to the sites.google.com link - nothing gets loaded in the big right-side content panel. It's a known problem on the Google Sites end with no commonly-known workaround or solution. As some of the fellas here have pointed out, you can generally right-click on the "wantlist" links in the directory, select "Open in new tab" (in Google Chrome, Microsoft Edge, and Mozilla Firefox browsers), and switch to the other tab to view the The unlucky OBC'ers affected by this are: Adriance, Codere, Craig, DeJong, Delott, Dillon, Dingman, Domino, Edwards, Elwell, Freedman, Greenwell, Harrell, Neill, Newman, Pillion, Thayer, Tripler, Wagner, Wiehe, and I can't try to tell each one of them to go get another free web site host, they'll gang up on me and beat me about the head and shoulders. (Especially Sal.) But what I can do, at least temporarily, is hot-wire the code making up the OBC Directory page. Here's the temporary workaround I put in: If your website is hosted on Google Sites, and you click the "wantlist" link next to your name in the Directory, it will fill the whole window with the wantlist content - you'll lose the left-side navigation buttons panel. (To get back to the directory, just hit the "Page Back" button on your browser.) If your website is hosted anywhere else, it will fill the right-side content area and the left-side navigation buttons panel will still be there. 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At the House of Cards on Monday, Peter showed me an example with the regular version right next to it. The color difference was obvious when side by side. If I look through my 62 binder, I don't think I would be able to tell how many green tints are in there, if any. I wish you luck with the Green Tint quest. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-03-19 5:43:24 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints I pulled cards numbered 110 through 196 from my 1962 set, and I=E2=99m going to try to establish a wantlist of some kind for the green tints. Over the years I=E2=99ve added a few of the green tints, but never really paid too much attention to them. I=E2=99ve seen Tom Housleys side by side photos, but I can=E2=99t always see the color differences. I saw a Net54 post where the different croppings of the cards are highlighted and explained which helped. Is there a link or file where the different cropping are explained? ================= Date: 20 Mar 2017 01:33:50 +0000 To: Subject: Does anyone need tallboy penny sleeves? From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 20:51:02 -0600 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Marshall West I agree with Ken! I have all the regulars, all the greenies, and all the Venezuelans. Comparing =E2=9Cwood grain=E2=9D was my system. Perfectsystem? Maybe not, but close enough for me. Marshall West > On Mar 19, 2017, at 6:14 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as wellif you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net > Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences.I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 23:35:20 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: I had to look... From: Ken M Hi all,  The recent flurry of activity revolving around Milton Bradley cards prompted me to go through another set - 1967 football. Back in the day, my friend and I went to the Hall's Nostalgia live auctions. One of the auctions had an unopened Milton Bradley card pack. (The rest of the game wasn't included.) Well, my friend ended up winning the auction and immediately paid for and tore into the package before the auction was even over. He must've been set on pulling a Ryan out of there, but when he didn't he was so upset that he gave all the cards to me and left the auction. I remember getting a Brinkman and two Casey Cox cards from the pile (all in top notch condition obviously). I forget what I did with the Hot Rod cards. I may have used them as packing material for one of my OBC packages (or they may be buried in a long forgotten box somewhere in my cellar) as I had no interest in any non-sport sets. Most of the baseball cards were used as upgrades to my first set - the one I eventually sold on eBay... grrr. The football cards got set aside and eventually when I started my 1967 Topps football set, they were part of my start up, as they were in pretty nice shape. I always knew I had a few in there, but never bothered to pull them - until today. I have about a half dozen and have listed both the Milton Bradley football cards and the ones I now need to replace from my Topps set. I just couldn't leave well enough alone. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2017 22:50:09 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: "Matt Yudt" I go immediately to the grain differences on Tom's gallery for definitive evidence. Just gotta remember the greenies are the left ones. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:15 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as well if you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences. I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:08:57 -0400 To: yudts5@verizon.net, cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Mike Glasser Where is the link to Tom's gallery? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: 'Ken M' ; obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 1:49 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I go immediately to the grain differences on Tom=E2=99s gallery for definitive evidence. Just gotta remember the greenies are the left ones=E2=A6 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups .com]On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:15 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as well if you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences. Ithink Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 06:23:10 -0700 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: John Stamper https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/ John Stamper > On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:08 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Where is the link to Tom's gallery? > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: 'Ken M' ; obc-ramblings > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 1:49 am > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I go immediately to the grain differences on Tom=E2=99s gallery for definitive evidence. Just gotta remember the greenies are the left ones=E2=A6 > Matt > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups .com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:15 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as wellif you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences.I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:29:20 -0400 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: Joel Freedman https://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/ On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 9:23 AM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/ > John Stamper > On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:08 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Where is the link to Tom's gallery? > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: 'Ken M' ; obc-ramblings < > obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 1:49 am > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I go immediately to the grain differences on Tom=E2=99s gallery for definitive > evidence. Just gotta remember the greenies are the left ones=E2=A6 > Matt > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups > .com] *On Behalf Of *Ken M cardclctor@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:15 PM > *To:* obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as well > if you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. > Ken M > *Sent from my not so smart phone.* > ------ Original message------ > *From: *'George Vrechek' <%20vrechek@ameritech.net>vrechek@ameritech.net > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Date: *Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM > *To: *OBC- Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences. > I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping > differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint > also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:40:21 -0400 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Green Tints From: "Thomas W. Billing" When I put together the tints vs. non-tints, I held my card I had up to thecomputer screen next to Tom=E2=99s pair and could then see which one I needed to get to have the other one. This was extremely helpful as the only mess up was Wes Covington that for some reason, I missed and bought a second tint. Dick Stuart was my toughest until I noticed his hand in the lower left corner that was less in the photo and the upper right background. Some are as plain as the nose on your face where the infield is green vs. brown on the other. I had never noticed the wood grains on these being different. As a kid in 1962, I actually acquired BOTH versions of some from the same display box of about 24 packs (I don=E2=99t remember how many nickel packs were in each box. The ones I recall getting were the pose variations like Yost, Moon, etc. I also saved both versions of the Mike de la Hoz with green and brown infield. The question I have always had is, how did both versions wind up in the same box? Did Topps have second writer that tweaked cards for them and they shipped with them? Also, I believe I had mostly non-greenies in the 1962 purchase. I should have made a record of what I needed, but did not. Interesting to me for sure. Tom Billing > On Mar 19, 2017, at 10:50 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I go immediately to the grain differences on Tom's gallery for definitive > evidence. Just gotta remember the greenies are the left ones. > Matt > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2017 8:15 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as wellif > you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: 'George Vrechek' > vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints > I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences.I > think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping > differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint > also has a cropping differences even if it is slight. > George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:52:38 -0500 Subject: 1949 Bowman Rizzuto with Gray background From: "George Vrechek" If anyone else has been looking for this card, let me know. I have news, at least to me. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 09:43:53 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Big hits From: Rick Received a couple of key cards today with a few other things. Pretty excited about these as well as finishing my first Venezuelan set the 1970 ovenca set. It's been a few months since posting my progress which I will do laterbut I'm afraid it will be slow go from now on. Rick ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:05:05 -0400 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strong Arm Show From: JEdward@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm planning on being there again this year and again I will be with my wife for a visit with our son who lives in Cleveland. I'll get as much of the show in as possible between family visits and again this year I'll be heading back home after the show and will miss the festivities at Sam's. John McLaughlin In a message dated 3/16/2017 3:12:52 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! Wes Shepard ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 10:47:13 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Venezuelan "run" From: Rick Been another four months made decent progress knowing it's getting hard when you start closing in on the end of sets. Seeing the finish line on several sets 62-64-66-72 winter league-74-76. Finished the 1970 set, I did pick up three stickers from the real tough 72 mlb set but have no intention working on it since almost everything on the market is fakes. Made a trade with a guy on net54 to get me five more 62's which will be here soon but from here out its probably a card here or there. This will probably be my last report so you won't have to hear from me anymore on this. I might have to go back to main stream cards to get my card fix. Bowmans,Kellogg's,hostess,posts,football,basketball, hockey? Will see Rick 2966 out of 4115 cards/stickers Sent from my iPad > On Nov 25, 2016, at 6:50 PM, Rick wrote: > Been four months since last report made some good headway. Have to changethe total to 4115 since I put 196 instead of 198 for the 59 set. >> Well I crunched some numbers for the amount of cards /stickers from 59-77 and I get 4113 without variations. My new break down is >> 1959-1 of 196, 1959-61 of 198 1959-65 of 198 >> 1960-18 of 198, 1960-18 of 198 1960-21 of 198 >> 1962-57 of 198, 1962-146 of 198 1962-175 of 198 >> 1964-314 of 370, 1964-344 of 370 1964-360 of 370 >> 1966-346 of 370, 1966-358 of 370 1966-365 of 370 >> 1967-114 of 338, 1967-149 of 338 1967-188 of 338 >> 1968-111 of 370, 1968-136 of 370 1968-186 of 370 >> 1970-288 of 300, 1970-298 of 300 1970-300 of 300 complete >> 1972-0 of 242, 1972-0 of 242 1972-3 of 242 >> 1972/73-244 of 249, 1972/73-246 of 249 1972/73 246 of 249 >> 1973-106 of 275, 1973-106 of 275 1973-106 of 275 >> 1974-251 of 275, 1974-263 of 275 1974-266 of 275 >> 1976-17 of 330, 1976-328 of 330 1976-328 of 330 >> 1977-354 of 402 1977-357 of 402 1977-357 of 402 >> for a total of 2221 to 2810 to 2966 >> Now to try to find the last 1892 down to 1305 now down to 1149. Rick >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 13:58:55 -0400 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strong Arm Show From: ShoelessWes Updated list for Strongsville vintage show: (as of 3/20) Jerry Barnes Tom Housley Ed Hutchinson Sam Taylor Jimi Thayer Joe Denning Mike Rich John McLaughlin Maybe attending Nick Pelletier Mike Mackie Wes Shepard > On Mar 16, 2017, at 3:00 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? > I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! > Wes Shepard ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:23:52 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [Tradingbases] RC Cola cans From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Not sure if any of you collect cans, but many of you know Andy Blackwood from the other groups. He has a source who has 8,000 RC Cola cans that he iswanting to unload. Contact info is below if you want to contact him. I thought OBCers might like to know! Have a good one! Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: "Andy Blackwood andyblackwood@yahoo.com [Tradingbases]" > Date: March 19, 2017 at 7:46:54 PM EDT > To: TradingBases Group , VCT Group , OCT Thank You > Subject: [Tradingbases] RC Cola cans > Reply-To: Andy Blackwood > Hi all, > Last weekend, I managed to spend several hundred dollars on several hundred cans. Most of them were beer cans for my collection, but I also picked up eight cases of RC Cola cans from the latter 1970s picturing various starathletes. I think these are all baseball and football (there were also basketball players), but I haven't gone through all of them yet. I saw enough HOF to justify the modest investment. I think they are all crimped steel. Most are top-opened but many are bottom-opened. If you have any playersor teams that you're interested in, or if you're dizzy enough to want to start this set, just let me know. I'd be looking for about anything for my various collections in trade. RC cans that would be of interest are New York Giants and Tom Seavers that I don't already have, maybe other Mets as well. Current "craft" beer cans must be bottom-opened and (please) thoroughly rinsed. I'm interested in small items from small breweries in general, especially business cards and coasters. > And if you're interested in other soda cans, I can refer you to a guy in Evansville, Indiana who has about 8000 different he wouldn't mind unloading. > Cheers, > Andy B ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 18:33:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1949 Bowman Rizzuto with Gray background From: richard dingman It is on my want list. If perhaps it does not exist, I'd like to know. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:52 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1949 Bowman Rizzuto with Gray background If anyone else has been looking for this card, let me know. I have news, atleast to me. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 17:00:24 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en One of the easiest tell tail signs of a green tint is in the grain. If you look at most of the cards, there will be a heavier grain going through the player's name. If you look at both cards, the heavier grain is in a different spot going through the name. Example: Pumpsie on the left (greenie) heavier grain going trough the M and between the PS in Pumpsie, on the reg version it goes through the i. Using Tom's page as a reference, this makes it easier to tell on cards that are really beat up or faded. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/19/2017 8:14:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I believe there's also differences in the wood grain on the cards as well if you're really stuck trying to tell the difference. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: 'George Vrechek'_ vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:%20vrechek@ameritech.net) [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Mar 19, 2017 7:02 PM To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 Topps Green Tints I always took my regular cards along to compare the cropping differences. I think Lenny Green was the last card with the slightest of cropping differences. There are probably a couple of others, but every green tint also a cropping differences even if it is slight. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 20:28:21 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1964 Topps backs question From: biggies@aol.com So do people collect the brighter reddish orange backs separate from the paler orange backs? ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:08:23 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Topps backs question From: Ken M Ha! That would be insanity. Wait, what? I now have to check my 1964 set. If I find anything noteworthy, I will sit on my rooftop shaking my fist like Snoopy saying, "Curse you, Bob Bannon!" Ken M - sorry, but when was I ever gonna get another opportunity to use that line? Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 8:28 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Topps backs question So do people collect the brighter reddish orange backs separate from the paler orange backs? ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:24:41 -0400 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Topps backs question From: biggies@aol.com That's hysterical. I am gonna go break out my Royal Gardsmen 45s. -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 9:14 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Topps backs question Ha! That would be insanity. Wait, what? I now have to check my 1964 set. IfI find anything noteworthy, I will sit on my rooftop shaking my fist like Snoopy saying, "Curse you, Bob Bannon!" Ken M - sorry, but when was I ever gonna get another opportunity to use that Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 8:28 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Topps backs question So do people collect the brighter reddish orange backs separate from the paler orange backs? ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:39:03 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1964 Al Dark #529 From: Ken M   OK, so I grabbed my 1964 Topps binder and started looking for color differences on the backs. This was short lived though, as most of the cards I had with a pale back color were also worn looking. I'm gonna chalk it up to aging and the fact that you can get the paler color by leaving the cards in the sun (so I will not try to collect what would be my third 1964 set).   Anyway, since I had the binder out, I started leafing through it. I saw a few cards that I might want to upgrade some day if I get around to it. A few had writing, some clipped corners, a hole punch or two on others. Then I noticed my Al Dark was signed in thick blue sharpie. It looks legit compared to images I googled. Is anyone collecting something like that? All I would need is a replacement for the card in my binder. The card itself has a bunch of creases, soft corners - and a bright orange back. LMK, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 01:52:54 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Chicago and Strong Arm From: Ron Perry Hi OBC, Hit the Chicago show with John Dahms on Saturday. Decent show several notable hits including: 1. 15 hits including five HOF'ers to the Fine Pens and Wide Pens lists. 2. The Funny Ring checklist from 66 Topps FB 3. Carroll Dale SP from 62 Post Football leaving Gail Cogdill, Rip Hawkins and two guys named Baker 4. About 25 hits to 49 Bowman, mostly commons and a few stars. 5. Manny Jimenez SP from 63 Post Baseball 6. Mays, Kaline and Billy Martin from 61 Post Company version , leaving just #89 Ken Hamlin. Hamlin has a sold line in addition to the perforations that distinguish it from the box version. 7. and numerous hits to many other sets. I plan to attend the Strong Arm show next month with Mike Rich. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 01:55:31 +0000 Subject: 1948-62 football collection From: Aaron Shirley Content-ID: I went to the local COIN shop last week and SURPRISE, they had a box of vintage football cards and a box of vintage baseball cards. Come to find out, they were cleaning out their back room and found these cards. They think they've been back there several years, so there's not really much story on them, nor is there any info about what they paid for them. The owners are members at the church where I am the student minister, so we are friends. I went back in today and inquired about the football cards. They said they really don't know much about them so they would trust me... in fact they sent them home with me, and said I could research or whatever. So let me be clear, I'm not looking to sell these, as such... I'm looking for an idea of what I might have here that would stick out, like high numbers or rookies or rare stuff or whatever. Never having collected football cards, I have only the idea that Leaf, Bowman and early Topps cards aren't junk! So can you help me? In the event I do put these up for sale, it would be with the intent to do as good as I can for my friends in OBC but also to do right by my friends at Centralia Coin. Does that sound fair? And if it looks like the interest is there and we're leaning that way, I'll move over to the Dealer Scum server. Anyway, what do I have? One pic shows all in the box, one pic shows in stacks by year and company. Thanks for any help! PS I'm pretty excited about the baseball cards too, but that will be a later ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:11:46 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Glued Cards on albums From: Anthony Hello all, I secured a near set of some vintage cards....mother cookies..... and they are glued down. Seller say glue unknown. They may none in a mother cookies original album but I looked online and did not see there was an official booklet. I will be getting them soon to see first hand but my thoughts were to try and take them off and add to my set needs instead of keeping them as is. Anyadvice on ways to remove? I was dreaming last night on several ways and each time I woke up in a sweat because I screwed them up royally=99=84 but the one I felt could work was to put a cloth of a page and then iron to heat up....other funny onewas to freeze then and smash off...crazy I know Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 14:38:40 -0400 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Big hits [2 Attachments] From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Kinda comical that the Venezuelan Clemente still calls him "Bob." Sam Taylor On Mon, Mar 20, 2017 at 12:43 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_-8203498733945792490_TopText> from Rick included below] > Received a couple of key cards today with a few other things. Pretty > excited about these as well as finishing my first Venezuelan set the 1970 > ovenca set. It's been a few months since posting my progress which I will > do later but I'm afraid it will be slow go from now on. Rick > Sent from my iPad Sam Taylor ================= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 02:40:16 +0000 (UTC) To: "Arbeeny, Anthony" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glued Cards on albums From: mark_macrae@comcast.net Besides cellophane tape, there are three types of adhesive that were commonly used during the 1950's... LePage's, Elmer's and paste. Mothers Cookies have a different type of paper / printing but can survive a soaking .... with patience..... with paste or LePage's. Elmers is a bit trickier and will most likely result in some paper loss or glue remnants remaining on the backs. If you decide to soak, start off with the worst examples. Fill a small tub with warm water, put in two drops of Palmolive or Dawn. Swirl the water to create mild sudsing. Put the card(s) in and set the timer for 6 minutes.After 6 minutes evaluate how the separation is progressing. Once the card and mount have separated, run your finger gently over the backside. Make sure that the card is still underwater If it is paste, it will be gummy, and should start transferring to your finger. Gently rub a few more times to remove the paste. Rinse in a clean bath of water. Once clean, pat dry with a paper towel. Set on a blotter (two ply paper towel with NO PRINTING ON IT will work) . Set another blotter on top. Put a moderate weight on top (Beckett Annual). Let sit for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes, remove book and blotter to evaluate the card. If the card is sticking to the bottom blotter, that means there is still adhesive on it and it needsto be resoaked. If the card easily separates from the blotter, proceed to the next step. Change both bottom and top blotter and replace book / weight on top. Let sit for 12 hours. After twelve hours change blotter out and keep the weight ntop. I continue this for 3 days, changing every 12 hours. Card will usually dry out flat. Do not rush the process (Some people use oven ,microwave, hair dryer, etc to accelerate the process... DON"T DO IT... These cards havebeen pasted for decades, you can wait a few days. Keep in mind that there are variables in paper (both the card stock and themount) and adhesives. Each successive batch will generally become easier. Good ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 6:11:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Glued Cards on albums Hello all, I secured a near set of some vintage cards....mother cookies..... and they are glued down. Seller say glue unknown. They may none in a mother cookies original album but I looked online and did not see there was an official booklet. I will be getting them soon to see first hand but my thoughts were to try and take them off and add to my set needs instead of keeping them as is. Anyadvice on ways to remove? I was dreaming last night on several ways and each time I woke up in a sweat because I screwed them up royally=99=84 but the one I felt could work was to put a cloth of a page and then iron to heat up....other funny onewas to freeze then and smash off...crazy I know Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:54:13 -0400 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1948-62 football collection [4 Attachments] From: mikesportsfan@aol.com From the cards shown you have a Leaf FB. The 1948 & 1949 are extremely similar on the fronts. The copyright for the year is on the back. 1948 #s50-98 are shortprinted and book $100+ ea. You also have 1954 & 1955 Bowman FB. There are a few valuable rookie cards. Even the shortprints are notthat bad. Then I saw 1955 Topps All Americans, which has shortprint high numbers 93-100 and star cards, such as the 4 Horsemen, Red Grange, Whizzer White, etc. 1962 Post FB has some shortprints and stars that are valuable. The Sam and Dave Baker cards are among the shortprints. There are also shortprints in 1962 Topps, but not that expensive. I am looking for 1948 Leaf FB high numbers and also acquiring 1963 Topps FB to get the purple tints (think green tints, but even tougher to ID). Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 9:57 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1948-62 football collection [4 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Aaron Shirley included below] I went to the local COIN shop last week and SURPRISE, they had a box of vintage football cards and a box of vintage baseball cards. Come to find out, they were cleaning out their back room and found these cards. They think they've been back there several years, so there's not really much story on them, nor is there any info about what they paid for them. The owners are members at the church where I am the student minister, so we are friends. I went back in today and inquired about the football cards. They said they really don't know much about them so they would trust me... in fact they sent them home with me, and said I could research or whatever. So let me be clear, I'm not looking to sell these, as such... I'm looking for an idea of what I might have here that would stick out, like high numbers or rookies or rare stuff or whatever. Never having collected football cards, I have only the idea that Leaf, Bowman and early Topps cards aren't junk! So can you help me? In the event I do put these up for sale, it would be with the intent to do as good as I can for my friends in OBC but also to do right by my friends at Centralia Coin. Does that sound fair? And if it looks like the interest is there and we're leaning that way, I'll move over to the Dealer Scum server. Anyway, what do I have? One pic shows all in the box, one pic shows in stacks by year and company. Thanks for any help! PS I'm pretty excited about the baseball cards too, but that will be a later ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 22:58:01 -0400 To: mark_macrae@comcast.net, anthony.senthi@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glued Cards on albums From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Are you on Mark's e-mail mailing list? He just sent out a sale list with a lot of 1952 & 1953 Mother's Cookies. So any you are missing from the scrap album you may be able to fill in with Mark. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mark_macrae@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Arbeeny, Anthony Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 20, 2017 10:40 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Glued Cards on albums Besides cellophane tape, there are three types of adhesive that were commonly used during the 1950's... LePage's, Elmer's and paste. Mothers Cookies have a different type of paper / printing but can survive a soaking .... with patience..... with paste or LePage's. Elmers is a bit trickier and will most likely result in some paper loss or glue remnants remaining on the backs. If you decide to soak, start off with the worst examples. Fill a small tub with warm water, put in two drops of Palmolive or Dawn. Swirl the water to create mild sudsing. Put the card(s) in and set the timer for 6 minutes.After 6 minutes evaluate how the separation is progressing. Once the card and mount have separated, run your finger gently over the backside. Make sure that the card is still underwater If it is paste, it will be gummy, and should start transferring to your finger. Gently rub a few more times to remove the paste. Rinse in a clean bath of water. Once clean, pat dry with a paper towel. Set on a blotter (two ply paper towel with NO PRINTING ON IT will work) . Set another blotter on top. Put a moderate weight on top (Beckett Annual). Let sit for 5 minutes. After 5 minutes, remove book and blotter to evaluate the card. If the card is sticking to the bottom blotter, that means there is still adhesive on it and it needsto be resoaked. If the card easily separates from the blotter, proceed to the next step. Change both bottom and top blotter and replace book / weight on top. Let sit for 12 hours. After twelve hours change blotter out and keep the weight ntop. I continue this for 3 days, changing every 12 hours. Card will usually dry out flat. Do not rush the process (Some people use oven ,microwave, hair dryer, etc to accelerate the process... DON"T DO IT... These cards havebeen pasted for decades, you can wait a few days. Keep in mind that there are variables in paper (both the card stock and themount) and adhesives. Each successive batch will generally become easier. Good From: "Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 6:11:46 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Glued Cards on albums Hello all, I secured a near set of some vintage cards....mother cookies..... and they are glued down. Seller say glue unknown. They may none in a mother cookies original album but I looked online and did not see there was an official booklet. I will be getting them soon to see first hand but my thoughts were to try and take them off and add to my set needs instead of keeping them as is. Anyadvice on ways to remove? I was dreaming last night on several ways and each time I woke up in a sweat because I screwed them up royally=99=84 but the one I felt could work was to put a cloth of a page and then iron to heat up....other funny onewas to freeze then and smash off...crazy I know Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 16:00:21 -0400 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1949 Bowman Rizzuto with Gray background From: Jimi Thayer Please do share.... Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 20, 2017, at 2:33 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It is on my want list. > If perhaps it does not exist, I'd like to know. > Richard D > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 10:52 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1949 Bowman Rizzuto with Gray background > If anyone else has been looking for this card, let me know. I have news, at least to me. > George Vrechek ================= Date: 21 Mar 2017 03:22:05 +0000 To: Subject: 2 things From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2017 21:34:39 -0700 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1948-62 football collection [4 Attachments] From: Rick I cant add much more than Mike said but if your talking dollar amount commons can be had for .50-$1 depending on dealer, how many he has, how long he's had themetc Be less could be more. It would be up to you to research a price guide to determine if you Have any stars or short prints. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Mar 20, 2017, at 6:55 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Aaron Shirley included below] > I went to the local COIN shop last week and SURPRISE, they had a box of vintage football cards and a box of vintage baseball cards. Come to find out, they were cleaning out their back room and found these cards. They think they've been back there several years, so there's not really much story on them, nor is there any info about what they paid for them. The owners are members at the church where I am the student minister, so we are friends. > I went back in today and inquired about the football cards. They said they really don't know much about them so they would trust me... in fact they sent them home with me, and said I could research or whatever. > So let me be clear, I'm not looking to sell these, as such... I'm lookingfor an idea of what I might have here that would stick out, like high numbers or rookies or rare stuff or whatever. Never having collected football cards, I have only the idea that Leaf, Bowman and early Topps cards aren't junk! So can you help me? > In the event I do put these up for sale, it would be with the intent to do as good as I can for my friends in OBC but also to do right by my friendsat Centralia Coin. Does that sound fair? And if it looks like the interestis there and we're leaning that way, I'll move over to the Dealer Scum server. > Anyway, what do I have? One pic shows all in the box, one pic shows in stacks by year and company. > Thanks for any help! > Aaron > PS I'm pretty excited about the baseball cards too, but that will be a later ================= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 06:39:26 -0400 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strong Arm Show From: ShoelessWes > Updated list for Strongsville vintage show: (as of 3/21) > Jerry Barnes > Tom Housley > Ed Hutchinson > Sam Taylor > Jimi Thayer > Joe Denning > Mike Rich Wes Shepard > John McLaughlin Ron Perry > Maybe attending; > Nick Pelletier > Mike Mackie Wes Shepard > On Mar 16, 2017, at 3:00 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not to squeeze anyone too hard, but can we get a tally on members planning on attending the "Strongsville" card show near Cleveland? > I know some of us have discussed it, but April 21,22,23 are the dates. I plan on attending. This is a Powerful Vintage show, who is going?! > Wes Shepard ================= To: Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 09:07:46 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: "Matt Yudt" Got a Linked-In request last night from a Sean Bassik. I recognized the name and thought maybe it was scientist or someone I had acquaintance with atsome point. Then I looked at the profile =E2=93 Invest In Baseball. Ahh. Did a quick search of my inbox and found the thread below from December. THAT=E2=99S where I know the name from=E2=A6. Do I accept or ignore=E2=A6. Anyone else get one of these connect requests? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 1:37 AM To: Ed Hutchinson Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others I sort of agree with Hutchinson and Glasser here. And we all have to remember, Sean Bassik was a 20 year old kid that apparently was cut a check for some million dollars or whatever in a settlement i guess. Dunno much about it. I only saw him once. Wondered how a kid could rake in such a hefty multimillion dollar business, well, there are only so many ways, and i guess a million dollar lawsuit is one of them. Anyhow, we, including myself, have forgotten this geek turned out to be a real ass. A real one of a kind. The only one of his kind. No one else is like him. No one else 'likes' him either. But guess what? He probably doesnt even care. Because how many 23 year old millionaires care about anything? My point exactly. Probably none. I've cut card deals with dealers, who quite frankly i thought were assholes, but the deal was good. We dont have to be friends with every single person we buy cards from. Sometimes people are just different. Or introverts, or upset... Sometimes those dealers have their life into their business, and when the card market doesnt favor them, well, it doesnt feel good. ... Another point, I see an older dealer all the time in Ohio. His deals suck. He wont trade, he wont buy, and he charges toomuch. But damn, he's a wonderful man to be around, but people cant buy cards from him. And he knows it! His name is Joe, and I've been in conversation with he and his lovely wife before, put the conversation on hold, laughing together, turn to his competitor, cut a card deal, and look back at Joe and continue to converse about whatever. And he's still smiling, not giving a shit about me not buying his cards. I think he's just there to get out ofthe house or something. His inventory is impressive. He, despite being a shitty card dealer, is definitely the protagonist of any midwest card show. Sean Bassik plays the villain. A role he probably likes. I dont think anyone compares to him. We have the certified dealer list. There are many that should be on it, but aren't for various reasons. Mark Smith wasn't on it foryears, which blew my mind. But, until a certain point, nobody put in for him! I think it's simple. Hunt down your certified OBC dealers. Use them first. If you exhaust them first, well, ask them for recommendations on who to seeabout what it is you're looking for. That's how they network too. As far as online dealers, well, perhaps we should keep a thread about shillbidders and other borderline criminally minded businesses. Wes Shepard On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: I guess my question is- why do we need a "database" of bad dealers. As has been mentioned, these people could be having a bad day, or whatever. The real bad dealers, we all know about, because we talk amongst ourselves. I dont need, for example, to check a directory or webpage to know that Invest inBaseball is not a great guy- because we have talked about it, and we are all happy to share our advice and experiences with other members of the group. I agree with Mike- why introduce a negative voice, when, by and large, thisgroup is one of the most upbeat ones on the net. Lets not ruin that! On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:44 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Good points. I see tripadvisor reviews that are a one because the clerk didn't reply, etc. I like inviting the offender to rebut a bad rating Tom Billing Sent from my iPad On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:28 PM, "Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: I'm a business owner, as I imagine many of you are as well, and I've been subject to negative reviews online from people who don't have a real beef. However, the internet doesn't require stories to be true nor does it require both sides of the story. Oftentimes, customers who are happy to agree tomy policies become irate when those same policies become inconvenient for them and then they get mad and let the world know. The unfortunate thing about this is that there is another side to the story which never gets aired. The reason that I bring this up is to caution us from being a place that bashes dealers just because we don't like what they do. I think the negativeattention that we'll get it isn't worth the minimal gain. We also don't want dealers to avoid OBC because they don't want to risk pissing someone off. For this reason, if we do something like this I think it should be local to us and not shared with the rest of the world. I'd also suggest that we allow the dealer to answer the negative review. Maybe there were misunderstandings or maybe he really is a jerk but either way we win. I'm not a big fan of public floggings without everyone's voice being heard. From my short tenure with OBC, I've understood the tone of this group to beupbeat and positive and that makes us unique and desirable. I think that we should be very careful about introducing a negative voice. Once you postit, it cannot be erased and it will live and have legs in ways that you may not consider. My 2 cents. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: yazobc > Cc: familytoad >; George Vrechek >; chris tripler >; OBC Nick P >; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others Good idea. Tom Billing On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. Thereare several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are alsomembers of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groups that wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the openingexplanation of the page. Greg (yaz) On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to standbehind it, but only on our members only page. So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, wehave 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and thumbs OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list aswell as JoelShitShow on COMC. On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards,what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained?If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, veryvery bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal issues. Plop plop-just my two cents Nick Pelletier Nachobcards@yahoo.com On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest in baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who Ihave had unsatisfactory dealings with: Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage Collectibles. We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:10:35 -0400 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: Ncaa tournament help required From: JDahms ================= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 17:46:39 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: 2 things From: Wayne Delia 1) In the next few weeks, following my retirement from IBM next Friday, I will have what we called in engineering school a "metric $hit-ton" of schedules available. 2) Will try to organize starter packs of say 200 different skeds for anyone who wants any. Usual OBC fee of $0.00, please include $0.00 for shipping and handling, and 8% tax. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2017 18:06:35 -0400 To: wayne.m.delia@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2 things From: mikesportsfan@aol.com We are still awaiting the program you said you were planning on doing in retirement on how to catalog schedules. Not much, but the best I have seenso far is Andy Blackwood of VCT. I will be happy to accept starter packs of skeds and other FOOT members will likely take you up on it as well. Feel free to mail them to any 1 of us and we will get them to each other. There is a Strongsville show near Cleveland in a month and as of now, at least10 OBCers and likely more will be there. Again, send to 1 and have them passed around at the post show get together hosted by Sam Taylor. Mike Rich 26020 Radclift Pl Oak Park, MI 48237 -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Tue, Mar 21, 2017 5:46 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2 things 1) In the next few weeks, following my retirement from IBM next Friday, I will have what we called in engineering school a "metric $hit-ton" of schedules 2) Will try to organize starter packs of say 200 different skeds for anyonewho wants any. Usual OBC fee of $0.00, please include $0.00 for shipping and handling, and 8% tax. ================= Date: 22 Mar 2017 01:45:19 +0000 To: Subject: Some waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 13:26:14 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Want to feel a little better about modern ballplayers? From: If you are like me, you probably get pretty tired of most modern athletes - but if you want to feel a little better about it, read the following article: https://www.theplayerstribune.com/carlos-carrasco-baseball-citizenship/ ================= Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 10:01:57 -0400 To: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Want to feel a little better about modern ballplayers? From: Jimi Thayer Awesome! Carrasco is definitely one of the guys in the game. Great read! GO Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 22, 2017, at 9:26 AM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > If you are like me, you probably get pretty tired of most modern athletes- but if you want to feel a little better about it, read the following article: > https://www.theplayerstribune.com/carlos-carrasco-baseball-citizenship/ ================= Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2017 20:32:25 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Superbowl Hits! From: Sean McGowan Dear OBC'ers, I have (finally) tallied up all the superbowl hits. We have a over 700 hits this year and over 7500 all time! Go OBC! Check out the totals at: http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-17.htm If you were a winner, make sure your wantlists are updated... I know at least one contestant that still has to send out cards :) Go OBC! Sean (1) ================= Date: 23 Mar 2017 02:12:59 +0000 To: Subject: HOORAY- SET KILLED! From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 23 Mar 2017 02:36:26 +0000 To: Subject: Anyone near Irvine, CA that is around next week? From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 02:35:04 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Need a Hero - 1960 Nu Scoops From: Patrick Prickett Hi All, I need 2 cards to finish my 1960 Nu Scoops #16 Babe Ruth and #65 Al Kaline. I have 50, maybe 60 cards from this set in my dupe box. If you have either of these, and are willing to part with it, I should (famous last words) be able to make you an offer you can't refuse! Anyone want to be a hero and get a trade in their favor? ================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 15:35:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Spring Training/Disney World From: Kent Flying into Orlando tonight.for some St. Louis Cardinals Spring Training games and Disney World with my sister and nice from Mar. 23 thru April 2. Anybody up to meeting up with me let me know (besides Guru). Go Cardinals! LOL ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:52:55 +0000 Subject: OPENING DAY O-PEE-CHEE: 10 days to go! From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:52:35 +0000 Subject: USC vs SMU From: Taylor Schock Geno Wagner sends an NCAA prize for USC's victory over SMU by sending a '59Eddie Mathews upgrade and a Exhibit 'plane' card that I wonder if Geno ever flew, the McDonnell F-101 Voodoo. Thanks Geno. And don't feel too bad for his NCAA loss. I had to send out cards for my 3 NCAA losses to him (sent earlier today). ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 01:16:06 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Matthew Glidden The moderately long list of rare #5 types make up most of my holy grails, including some sets with numbered cards, but unidentified #5s. Of all times you would ask, right now there IS a barely-ever-seen "$10,000 Kelly" 19c type up for auction that would be my most expensive purchase ever, if I want to drop $1500+ on something! But that's a bit much. http://www.goodwinandco.com/1887_N172_Old_Judge_King_Kelly__10_000_GAI_Authent-LOT35063.aspx Other than the Kelly, there are sets with 1-2 known types like Peggy Popcorn, the rarest tobacco backs, and some old foreign sets with HOFers. Toughies I've seen at least once include 1930 Rogers Peet #5 (Dazzy Vance), 1960 Darigold Farms #5 (team trainer), and 1977 Modesto A's #5 Rickey Henderson. Any of those would make my year at this point. On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 8:08 PM hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? Thanks OBC, peter mead ================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:35:55 -0400 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Andy Huntoon Hi Peter, I don't think I really have a holy grail at this point, but reading your ramble got me thinking about what OBC members search for on eBay regularly. Sounds like you're looking at a lot of regional stuff which is cool. I really like a lot of those sets you look for. So...I figured I would share what my regular searches are when I go on eBay. Since my saved searches are listed in alphabetical order, when I search on my phone it is always in this order... 1. 2003 Fleer Ultra Back2Back Jersey of Derek Jeter 2. Non Sport prewar caramel cards from my wantlist 3. Charlie Chaplin strip cards from my wantlist 4. Negro League memorabilia 5. Prewar category search for anything prewar baseball 6. Saginaw Gears IHL hockey items 7. Strip cards 8. Topps poor condition cards 9. Jim Wynn items Since I can search for just the "Newly Listed" items each time I open the eBay app, I get through all of these searches entirely except the Prewar category search. This is a daily ritual for me that spans the whole day when I have a few minutes to spare here and there. So, what about all you other guys who search eBay regularly? What are your recurring searches? Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 5:07 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your > list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my > what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of > Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 > Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. > I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no > 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? > I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches > probably point me to the correct answer-- > Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last > 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 > including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for > variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, > Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and > 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, > Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. > That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, > centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), > Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets > (both baseball and hockey). > Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat > Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 > Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... > Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the > top of the list. > Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore > sets to my already too long list. LOL > Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few > more sets)? > Thanks OBC, > peter mead ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 01:58:38 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Anyone collect stadium cups? From: Dan Angland I have a bunch of plastic beer and soda souvenir cups mostly from the local NY teams. Let me know if you are interested.Thanks, Dan Angland ================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 20:28:16 -0700 To: Ramblings OBC Subject: Checklist trouble From: John Stamper To the powers overseeing the Wayne Delia Mega Checklist on the OBC page. I noticed that the 1952 Mothers Cookies checklist is missing. It was there before. John Stamper ================= Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2017 21:27:12 -0700 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: wite3 ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 06:27:22 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1976-1980 Topps Available From: chris tripler Down to about 50,000 cards now not in the collection that I plan on moving before we move. In the that lot is about 10,000 1976-1980 Topps. So, if you're thinking about a second set or still working on your first set; point me to your lists or let me know you want a starter set... Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 10:59:20 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: How about a 1952 Chuck Connors Mothers Cookies? I may come close on finishing those two sets, but I don't think I'll ever find a Chuck in my price range. ---- "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: ============= ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 15:02:36 +0000 (UTC) To: "rdn56@nc.rr.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Patrick Prickett It would be so easy to reply a 1952 Topps Reiser grey back (and none of youwould have guessed that I would respond with that), so since it would be so predictable ... a 1923 W572 Barbare or Rapp - there's no proof either exists outside of thechecklist created by Bob Lemke (and he didn't even know why he added Barbare when I asked him). So my holy grail aretwo 0 of 0 cards! On Friday, March 24, 2017 3:59 AM, "rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" How about a 1952 Chuck Connors Mothers Cookies? I may come close on finishing those two sets, but I don't think I'll ever find a Chuck in my price ---- "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" Posted by: The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouragedon Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGSserver, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:12:39 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: LAWRENCE TIPTON 1951 Bowman #253 Mickey Mantle RC It=E2=99s the last card I need for my set. But I=E2=99m thinking I waited to long to purchase this card as the price has exploded these past fewmonths. I thought $1,000-$1,300 would buy a complete card PSA1/SGC10 but I think the card has moved beyond this price. Some of these expensive cardsI need (=E2=9933 Goudey Ruths and Gehrigs for example) to be honest I would rather just get copies of the reprints and move along on other needs. $1,500 for a piece of cardboard? I know the =E2=9951 Bowman Mantle is not a rare card. Maybe at the National this year the =E2=9Cbirdoggers=E2=9D will uncover one in my pricerange. One of the =E2=9Cweek-end=E2=9D warriors that sets up at a local show had a raw example. I didn=E2=99t try to negotiate with the guy at the time, and I haven=E2=99t seen the guy since. At the National, if there is a PSA1/SGC10 card I would probably get off my wallet, but it just doesn=E2=99t seem right to spend this kind of money for a card. Anybody have any =E2=9Cplace-holder=E2=99 reprints for some of these insane ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 12:42:29 -0400 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: Anson Whaley I cannot believe where that Mantle 1951 Bowman has gone. I still believe the prices will come down on it because it's pretty plentiful but in comparison to the insane 952 Topps, I always thought it was undervalued. I bought a nice BVG 2 about three years ago for $1,700. I don't even see half-decent graded Authentics for that now. Sold it about a year and a half ago for only a little more than that. Whoops. On Fri, Mar 24, 2017 at 12:12 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > 1951 Bowman #253 Mickey Mantle RC > It=E2=99s the last card I need for my set. But I=E2=99m thinking I waited to long to > purchase this card as the price has exploded these past few months. I > thought $1,000-$1,300 would buy a complete card PSA1/SGC10 but I think the > card has moved beyond this price. Some of these expensive cards I need (=E2=9933 > Goudey Ruths and Gehrigs for example) to be honest I would rather just get > copies of the reprints and move along on other needs. $1,500 for a piece of > cardboard? > I know the =E2=9951 Bowman Mantle is not a rare card. Maybe at the National > this year the =E2=9Cbirdoggers=E2=9D will uncover one in my price range. One of the > =E2=9Cweek-end=E2=9D warriors that sets up at a local show had a raw example. I > didn=E2=99t try to negotiate with the guy at the time, and I haven=E2=99t seen the > guy since. At the National, if there is a PSA1/SGC10 card I would probably > get off my wallet, but it just doesn=E2=99t seem right to spend this kind > money for a card. > Anybody have any =E2=9Cplace-holder=E2=99 reprints for some of these insane cards? > Guru ================= To: obc Ramblings Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 17:09:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: Aaron Shirley The T5 Pinkerton cabinet of Lew Brockett. Call it a holy grail, call it a white whale... You see, I haven't even beenable to verify its existence. The Pinkerton promotional materials listed the different players you could order. But that doesn't mean all the cabs onthe list actually got ordered in any significant quantity. And what's more, in the last 106 years, how many of those might have even survived? So thepossibility is real there are NONE in existence. I asked a few years back on Net54 and got no conclusive answer... no one who collected them had one... or even recalled seeing one. But because it's on a list, it's in the books. At the top of my wantlist, for years now, is a brief note asking for even PROOF of its existence. I don't know what would happen if I ever found out one was out there!!! ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 13:20:26 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) From: LAWRENCE TIPTON On the non-sports side of Net54, I saw a message about a project to re-create the very rare 1939 War News Pictures R165 =E2=9CDirty Dozen=E2=9D cards numbered 109-120. These are impossible to find and very expensive. Kurt Kuersteiner has initiated a =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D campaign toreprint these cards. I do not know Kurt, but I think he is well known in the non sports world, and writes for =E2=9CThe Wrapper=E2=9D magazine.If his =E2=9Ckick-starter=E2=9D reaches a certain level, he will reprint the cards. The link will take you to the =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D campaign, it=E2=99s the first time I have ever participated in a =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D. There are several options, but for a pledge of $18 you will get a set of the reprinted cards postage paid. I entered my credit card info,and if the goal amount is reached, your card is charged, and Kurt will contact you via email for mailing information. There is a cool video to watch.Kurt says the last set of the 12 =E2=9Cdirty dozen=E2=9D cards sold for $16,000. At $18 for the reprint set, that=E2=99s $1.50 per card delivered. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/monsterwax/resurrecting-the-dirty-dozen-from-war-news-picture?refcreator_nav Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: Bob The only card of the only Bannon to play in the majors. I think it's an Old Judge of Jimmy Bannon Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 24, 2017, at 1:09 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The T5 Pinkerton cabinet of Lew Brockett. > Call it a holy grail, call it a white whale... You see, I haven't even been able to verify its existence. The Pinkerton promotional materials listedthe different players you could order. But that doesn't mean all the cabs on the list actually got ordered in any significant quantity. And what's more, in the last 106 years, how many of those might have even survived? So the possibility is real there are NONE in existence. I asked a few years back on Net54 and got no conclusive answer... no one who collected them had one... or even recalled seeing one. But because it's on a list, it's in the books. > At the top of my wantlist, for years now, is a brief note asking for evenPROOF of its existence. I don't know what would happen if I ever found outone was out there!!! ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:11:47 -0400 To: duph182@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone collect stadium cups? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I am sure this will shock no one that I do have a number (likely in the thousands) of stadium cups. Mine are mainly from Tiger Stadium and Comerica Park. Always willing to give a home to 1 of each type from other stadiums and I am also interested in swapping for 7/11 and other type cups. I have someof those listed on my lists and am very close on the 1972 & 1973 BB sets. I collect all sports. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Mar 23, 2017 10:02 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone collect stadium cups? I have a bunch of plastic beer and soda souvenir cups mostly from the localNY Let me know if you are interested. Thanks, Dan Angland ================= Date: 24 Mar 2017 19:13:59 +0000 To: Subject: April Fools From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 14:56:48 -0500 Subject: Re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: "George Vrechek" I'll go with Ruth with bats - a 1948 Hall of Fame Exhibit Supply Company card. It is probably among the cheaper Ruth cards, one sold for $30 this month. However, it has been on my list for some time, I like the Babe and it would finish by 1948 HOF ESCO set. George Vrechek ================= Date: 24 Mar 2017 21:52:19 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 22:38:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:42:05 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Checklist trouble From: Wayne Delia You'll need to contact Wayne Delia. Wait... I'm Wayne Delia. Fixed 1952 Mothers Cookies checklist; let me know if there are any others that need to be added or corrected. ================= Date: 25 Mar 2017 00:32:03 +0000 To: Subject: Weekend Waivers - The Warm Weather Spring Cleaning Edition From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 19:55:44 -0400 Subject: March waiver From: "Matt Yudt" Well I've been trying to keep ahead in the give/receive ratio, but am still behind after my luck in the SB pool. I have managed to accumulate a few dupes while trying. But tomorrow it will be 70 degrees, and golf season will soon be chewing in to hobby time. Therefore, I'd like to offer the following waiver. I will be spread with fair bias: 62 topps Green Tints: 163, 187, 192, 193 61 Fleer: 1 (scuffed goodly), 28, 34, 37, 44, 84, 104, 143 69 deckle edge: 15, 17, 23 (wrinkled and writing), 28, 30 71 Scratch offs (red) - Colbert (just front half), Bosman (whole), Bosman (front half) 70 Scratch offs (white) - Hegan (front half only), Colbert (unscratched!), Spencer, Wynn 1961 Baseball Scoops - 406 (vern law) 1963 topps variation of #54 "1962" Rookie Stars 1961 Post #46, 114, 124 1965 Embossed: 35, 41, 49 1964 Kahns Wiener Ken Johnson poorly cut and wrinkled 63 Peel off Jim King 62 two stamp panel - Rosenboro/Estrada 68 topps game - 17, 19 Type card collectors? - 77 Renata Galasso - 25 (W Ford), 29 (Banks), 45 (M Vernon) 1976 HRT/RES 1942 Play Ball (the set that never was). Inquire if interested, have a stack of dupes 1975 TCMA 1950 Phillies - Eddie Sawyer Regular old topps baseball: 55: 11, 15, 23, 58, 62, 72,m 86 (most but not all are OBC shape) 56: (all grey backs, and most pretty nice - upgrade quality): 82, 103, 151, 171, 206, 209, 325, 340 (trimmed) 59: #530 Moon 68: 1, 2 Matt Yudt ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:16:17 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: OBC Nick P It's a little cliche but it hasn't been mentioned yet. It's not in my price range. It likely never will be. But 1952 topps #311 Mickey mantle. It's the one card i think about the most. It's the one card I want the most. It's the one card I'll never own. That's the card. Nick Pelletier > On Mar 24, 2017, at 5:38 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Two things. > A 1976 El Paso Diablos Willie Mays Aikens game used jersey. I grew up following them and he was league mvp that year. > A team picture (or any picture) or a game used jersey or hat from the 1957 Dubuque Packers. My uncle played for them. > Jay Tysver > On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:58 AM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Right now, I suppose mine is a T205 Mathewson, with the Sovereign back. I still need about a dozen cards to finish the run, and that's the toughest! >> Take Care, >> Geno >> From: "wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:23 PM >> Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >> My holy grail...t205 hoblitzel no stats. >> Joshua >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab=AE4 >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" >> Date: 03/23/2017 2:07 PM (GMT-08:00) >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >> Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of yourlist? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked mywhat I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? >> I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- >> Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (lo oking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. >> That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). >> Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... >> Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. >> Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, be fore I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL >> Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? >> Thanks OBC, >> peter mead ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 21:28:49 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Here I go again... From: cardclctor@aol.com (Yet another ramble about my continuing quest to complete the 1971 Kellogg's set). Stop me if you've heard this before. Actually, you have heard it before and I'm not stopping.... OK, so I'm looking over a few wantlists putting together packages. I come across Taylor Schock's list. Oh hey, he's collecting 1971 Kellogg's and variations. I might have a few in my dupes box he can use. Wait a second... Willie McCovey has a variation? HEY! There's a whole bunch of numbers on here that I haven't seen listed before... grrr. Gotta check some of these against the ones in my set. Nope, nope, nope. I think he's making these up to mess with my head. I'll check out COMC to see if any of them are on there... No, No, No... Willie McCovey DOES have a card with 1400 hits - AAAARRRGGGHHHH!!!! So now my list is getting longer instead of shorter again. There's one other thing I discovered about one of the cards that's been on my list forever. There's three Angels in the set: Wright, Johnson and Fregosi. All three are listed with a flying crest logo and a CA state logo on the back. I have two of the three players with the crest logo and both are on the 'undated' copyright cards. But wait, I have the undated Wright card and it has a CA state logo on it. Has anyone ever seen the Wright card with the crest logo? Or how about a Johnson or Fregosi with the state logo on the undated version? None of the cards on COMC were any different than the ones in my set. The master set list now stands between 190 and 2 billion cards for completion. I should just sell them all and buy myself a few months of therapy. TAYL, Ken M - BTW Thanks for nothing, Taylor. I'm sending you a package anyway. ================= Date: 25 Mar 2017 02:18:30 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 25 Mar 2017 03:01:40 +0000 To: Subject: 1955 Clemente From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2017 20:08:08 -0700 To: OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Rick Sent from my iPad > On Mar 24, 2017, at 6:16 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It's a little cliche but it hasn't been mentioned yet. It's not in my price range. It likely never will be. But > 1952 topps #311 Mickey mantle. > It's the one card i think about the most. It's the one card I want the most. It's the one card I'll never own. That's the card. > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com >> On Mar 24, 2017, at 5:38 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Two things. >> A 1976 El Paso Diablos Willie Mays Aikens game used jersey. I grew up following them and he was league mvp that year. >> A team picture (or any picture) or a game used jersey or hat from the 1957 Dubuque Packers. My uncle played for them. >> Jay Tysver >> On Mar 24, 2017, at 4:58 AM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Right now, I suppose mine is a T205 Mathewson, with the Sovereign back.I still need about a dozen cards to finish the run, and that's the toughest! >>> Take Care, >>> Geno >>> From: "wite3 Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >>> To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 10:23 PM >>> Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >>> My holy grail...t205 hoblitzel no stats. >>> Joshua >>> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy Tab=AE4 >>> -------- Original message -------- >>> From: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" >>> Date: 03/23/2017 2:07 PM (GMT-08:00) >>> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >>> Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 RodeoMeat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? >>> I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- >>> Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (lo oking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. >>> That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). >>> Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... >>> Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. >>> Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, be fore I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL >>> Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? >>> Thanks OBC, >>> peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 00:29:51 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: t j valacak Content-Disposition: inline For myself, it would be any of the Ruth cards from the 33 Goudey set . I can remeber over 10 years ago, talking with a dealer at the Chicago shows. Hewas keeping his eye out for me. My order was a beat up Ruth and I was looking to spend around 400 for the card. Well, I would see this dealer twice ayear. I was always hoping he had a Ruth for me. Just wasn't meant to be. Now, the prices on the Ruth cards have really risen. I will need to win lotto to add it to my collection. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-03-24 11:15:51 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: So what is you holy grail these days? 1951 Bowman #253 Mickey Mantle RC It=E2=99s the last card I need for my set. But I=E2=99m thinking I waited to long to purchase this card as the price has exploded these past fewmonths. I thought $1,000-$1,300 would buy a complete card PSA1/SGC10 but Ithink the card has moved beyond this price. Some of these expensive cards I need (=E2=9933 Goudey Ruths and Gehrigs for example) to be honest I would rather just get copies of the reprints and move along on other needs. $1,500 for a piece of cardboard? I know the =E2=9951 Bowman Mantle is not a rare card. Maybe at the National this year the =E2=9Cbirdoggers=E2=9D will uncover one in my pricerange. One of the =E2=9Cweek-end=E2=9D warriors that sets up at a local show had a raw example. I didn=E2=99t try to negotiate with the guy at the time, and I haven=E2=99t seen the guy since. At the National, if there is a PSA1/SGC10 card I would probably get off my wallet, but it just doesn=E2=99t seem right to spend this kind of money for a card. Anybody have any =E2=9Cplace-holder=E2=99 reprints for some of these insane ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:36:51 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Nice large poor 1960 Fleer lot on EBay with Ruth From: Jim Thayer Hey guys, I was hunting down some cards for my near complete 1960 Fleer set on EBay this morning and found this lot: 1960 Fleer Baseball 23 card lot. PLEASE READ ITEM DISCRIPTION !!!! | eBay | $ 0.99 | | | | 1960 Fleer Baseball 23 card lot. PLEASE READ ITEM DISCRIPTION !!!! | eBay Cards are in poor condition, cards have been glued to cardboard on the backs of each card, zoom in the best you ... | | Looks perfect for some of you. He just listed it yesterday, so it's still at $0.99. Might be worth watching. My set needs to be in GOOD or better, so I'm passing on it.....most likely. If it stays cheap, I might pop on it to put a couple hits in my HOF Collection and then I'djust distribute the rest to OBC. ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 13:06:18 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: 1952 Topps auto'd Bobby Shantz $8 From: Matthew Glidden Especially good for any of the Ed's in our group! http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/142324904762?vectorid=229466&lgeo=1&item=142324904762&rmvSB=true ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 07:52:31 -0700 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Great thread Peter. I would have to go with a 73 Linnett Johnny Grubb to knock out that player list. I have never even seen a copy. On the UV side, I would love to find a reasonably priced 82 FBI Disc Jim Rice to finish my player collection. I would also love to find an 87 Pocatelleo Mike Greenwood. There was a $200 set on ebay last year, but now way I am paying that for a 10 cent card. Erik Greenwood On Mar 23, 2017 5:08 PM, "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? Thanks OBC, peter mead ================= To: Jim Thayer Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 14:52:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nice large poor 1960 Fleer lot on EBay with Ruth From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: , Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 11:28:10 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: "Bob Donaldson" For me its all about the Babe I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was luckyto pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to get any of the others for double that. I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college :) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for whatseems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats(looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more Thanks OBC, peter mead ================= Date: 26 Mar 2017 01:14:04 +0000 To: Subject: NCAA Pool From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:25:50 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en To me, a holy grail card is one that I just can't find. There are TONS on my list that I can't afford (Leaf Robinson, 52 T Mantle, etc. But I see these cards all the time. The wallet sticks to my ass when I even look at these. With that being said, my white whales are the Brooklyn 52T Canadian 136 Schmidtz and 188 Podbielan. They (an any other of those grey backs) are never found on Ebay, Sports Lots, or COMC. I can just about bet the house I will see them at Levi's museum at the National for a tidy sum. I have a better shot at the Jackie Leaf, just because it's around. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 3/23/2017 8:08:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? Thanks OBC, peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 22:29:38 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Ed Hutchinson I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 is cards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC 1972-73 Julius Erving RC 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked up a Walter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I forget the designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I would love to have On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > For me its all about the Babe > I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was lucky > pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to > get any of the others for double that. > I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I > mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single > without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting > pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in > HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college J > Thanks > Bob > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your > list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my > what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of > Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 > Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. > I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no > 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? > I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches > probably point me to the correct answer-- > Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last > 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 > including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for > variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, > Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and > 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, > Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. > That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, > centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), > Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets > (both baseball and hockey). > Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat > Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 > Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... > Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the > top of the list. > Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore > sets to my already too long list. LOL > Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few > more sets)? > Thanks OBC, > peter mead ================= Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2017 23:41:28 -0400 To: Ed Hutchinson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: ShoelessWes Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselves out, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, my card collection will generally be worthless. That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy of a 52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the mantle will lose just one more zero. That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, and still do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. Life for all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball diamonds areabandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten dugouts. They are like the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with several generations of boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free money. Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyistpopulation is nothing to write home about. The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave my grandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. Wes Shepard > On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 iscards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be > 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC > 1972-73 Julius Erving RC > 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC > The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked upa Walter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I forget the designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I wouldlove to have > Ed >> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> For me its all about the Babe >> I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was lucky to pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to get any of the others for double that. >> I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in HS.This quest may depend on where she goes to college J >> Thanks >> Bob >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >> Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of yourlist? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked mywhat I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? >> I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- >> Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. >> That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). >> Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... >> Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. >> Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL >> Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? >> Thanks OBC, >> peter mead ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:49:43 -0400 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Unfortunately, I fear TJ is correct in his belief that card values will drop dramatically in the coming years. I have been saying this for a number of years now. The cards in the 80s, save for a Jordan rookie, are for the most part worthless. Cards in the 70s can easily be found, and with a few exceptions, have already started dropping. The 60s and 50s will be the next. Of course certain high demand cards will likely never drop. While that will include the Mantle rookies, it will also be the shortprints in 1966 & 1967. Funny, but I expect 52 high numbers may have topped out and could drop in the next 10 years. No new collectors coming into the hobby, so demand will drop. As guys die off or sell off their collections (since few have family interested in keeping the collections), supply will actually increase. Not a good combination for values to go up. We just have to remember this is a hobby and do it because of our love for the cards. Do not bust our budgets (tough for many of us) trying to get the cards we want. Enjoy them for what they are. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Ed Hutchinson Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 11:42 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselves out, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, my card collection will generally be worthless. That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy of a 52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the mantle will lose just one more zero. That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, and still do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. Life for all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball diamonds areabandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten dugouts. They are like the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with several generations of boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free money. Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyistpopulation is nothing to write home about. The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave my grandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. Wes Shepard On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 is cards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC 1972-73 Julius Erving RC 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked up aWalter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I forgetthe designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I would love to have On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: For me its all about the Babe I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was luckyto pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to get any of the others for double that. I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for whatseems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats(looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more Thanks OBC, peter mead ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 08:51:52 -0400 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sorry. I should have said Wes, not TJ, was correct. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: wwesmyster2 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Mar 26, 2017 8:49 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? Unfortunately, I fear TJ is correct in his belief that card values will drop dramatically in the coming years. I have been saying this for a number of years now. The cards in the 80s, save for a Jordan rookie, are for the most part worthless. Cards in the 70s can easily be found, and with a few exceptions, have already started dropping. The 60s and 50s will be the next. Of course certain high demand cards will likely never drop. While that will include the Mantle rookies, it will also be the shortprints in 1966 & 1967. Funny, but I expect 52 high numbers may have topped out and could drop in the next 10 years. No new collectors coming into the hobby, so demand will drop. As guys die off or sell off their collections (since few have family interested in keeping the collections), supply will actually increase. Not a good combination for values to go up. We just have to remember this is a hobby and do it because of our love for the cards. Do not bust our budgets (tough for many of us) trying to get the cards we want. Enjoy them for what they are. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Ed Hutchinson Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 11:42 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselves out, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, my card collection will generally be worthless. That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy of a 52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the mantle will lose just one more zero. That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, and still do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. Life for all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball diamonds areabandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten dugouts. They are like the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with several generations of boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free money. Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyistpopulation is nothing to write home about. The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave my grandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. Wes Shepard On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 is cards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC 1972-73 Julius Erving RC 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked up aWalter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I forgetthe designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I would love to have On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: For me its all about the Babe I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was luckyto pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to get any of the others for double that. I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for whatseems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats(looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more Thanks OBC, peter mead ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 12:33:07 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: This should take care of most of the holy grails From: ChicoD1@aol.com http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantle-life-lot-w-TEAM-SIGNED-ball-1952-Topps Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 14:56:25 -0400 To: "mholland28412@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: ShoelessWes What i typically see, at least in the 5 or so card shops in Dayton, are the"old" (or old enough to know vintage) guys buying the UV boxes, and havingBox Break parties. Theyre sort of gambling i guess. I havent ever seen a 10 year old rolling around the ground because his dad wouldn't buy him a mike trout rookie. And I've never seen a teenager in thelast 20 years complain about not finding a 58 Banks. My future predictions may be totally whack, but i think my present observations are acute. Wes Shepard > On Mar 26, 2017, at 9:47 AM, mark holland wrote: > I agree with what you guys are saying. But if the collecting hobby is diminishing, why do we continue to flood the market with new UV cards? Are the "old" guys buying these too or does a new generation exist and they are not interested in vintage at this point? > Good ramble..... > Mark > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 7:49 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Unfortunately, I fear TJ is correct in his belief that card values will drop dramatically in the coming years. I have been saying this for a numberof years now. The cards in the 80s, save for a Jordan rookie, are for themost part worthless. Cards in the 70s can easily be found, and with a fewexceptions, have already started dropping. The 60s and 50s will be the next. Of course certain high demand cards will likely never drop. While that will include the Mantle rookies, it will also be the shortprints in 1966 & 1967. Funny, but I expect 52 high numbers may have topped out and could drop in the next 10 years. > No new collectors coming into the hobby, so demand will drop. As guys die off or sell off their collections (since few have family interested in keeping the collections), supply will actually increase. Not a good combination for values to go up. > We just have to remember this is a hobby and do it because of our love for the cards. Do not bust our budgets (tough for many of us) trying to get the cards we want. Enjoy them for what they are. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: Ed Hutchinson > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 11:42 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. > I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselves out, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, my card collection will generally be worthless. > That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy of a52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the mantle will lose just one more zero. > That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, and still do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. Lifefor all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball diamonds are abandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten dugouts. They arelike the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with several generationsof boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free money. > Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyist population is nothing to write home about. > The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave my grandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. > Wes Shepard > On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 iscards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be > 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC > 1972-73 Julius Erving RC > 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC > The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked upa Walter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I forget the designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I wouldlove to have > Ed > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > For me its all about the Babe > I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was lucky to pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to get any of the others for double that. > I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that Imostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college J > Thanks > Bob > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? > I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- > Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. > That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). > Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... > Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to thetop of the list. > Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymoresets to my already too long list. LOL > Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a fewmore > Thanks OBC, > peter mead ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:14:02 -0400 To: ShoelessWes , "mholland28412@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: JDahms ================= To: Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 15:25:13 -0500 Subject: Exhibit Card Variation Checklist - the gnats' eyebrows From: "George Vrechek" I am trying to tackle doing a comprehensive checklist of baseball exhibit cards from 1939 to 1966. Let me know if you have information on the gorey details and would like to check a checklist I have been working on. I am especially interested in several 1949 cards listed as not having "AN EXHIBIT CARD" in the lower left corner according to the SCD Catalog, but perhaps non-existent? Also checking for variations in font size and spacing on printing information, unusual large Heath card, Doby bat variations and tough cards. Ruler required. George Vrechek ================= To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:32:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: So what is you holy grail these days? From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 18:17:32 -0400 To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Doug DeJong Jake "The Kid" Brewer has already told my wife he will give her $100 for my collection when I die. On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 8:49 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, I fear TJ is correct in his belief that card values will > drop dramatically in the coming years. I have been saying this for a > number of years now. The cards in the 80s, save for a Jordan rookie, are > for the most part worthless. Cards in the 70s can easily be found, and > with a few exceptions, have already started dropping. The 60s and 50s will > be the next. Of course certain high demand cards will likely never drop. > While that will include the Mantle rookies, it will also be the shortprints > in 1966 & 1967. Funny, but I expect 52 high numbers may have topped out > and could drop in the next 10 years. > No new collectors coming into the hobby, so demand will drop. As guys die > off or sell off their collections (since few have family interested in > keeping the collections), supply will actually increase. Not a good > combination for values to go up. > We just have to remember this is a hobby and do it because of our love for > the cards. Do not bust our budgets (tough for many of us) trying to get > the cards we want. Enjoy them for what they are. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: Ed Hutchinson > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 11:42 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An > authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. > I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselves > out, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or > flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the > millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I > seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, > my card collection will generally be worthless. > That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the > boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy > of a 52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the > mantle will lose just one more zero. > That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, and > still do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual > remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And > perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. > Life for all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank > Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball > diamonds are abandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten > dugouts. They are like the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with > several generations of boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose > days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free > money. > Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card > collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyist > population is nothing to write home about. > The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm > right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave > my grandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 > Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. > Wes Shepard > On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 is > cards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be > 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC > 1972-73 Julius Erving RC > 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC > The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont > finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such > as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked > up a Walter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I > forget the designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I > would love to have > Ed > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > For me its all about the Babe > I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was lucky > pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to > get any of the others for double that. > I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I > mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single > without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting > pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in > HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college J > Thanks > Bob > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogro > ups.com] *On Behalf Of *hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your > list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my > what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of > Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 > Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. > I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no > 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? > I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches > probably point me to the correct answer-- > Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last > 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 > including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for > variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, > Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and > 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, > Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. > That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, > centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), > Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets > (both baseball and hockey). > Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat > Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 > Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... > Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the > top of the list. > Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore > sets to my already too long list. LOL > Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few > more sets)? > Thanks OBC, > peter mead ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:32:32 +0000 Subject: Very Useful ebay info site that I just found out about From: Mac Wubben Here is a site I just found out about: watchcount.com You can see the best offer history on an ebay item to know what other offers have been rejected...also allows you to see actual sold prices on best offer items. I wish I had know about this site previously. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 23:59:23 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: It is wells with my soul... From: mark zentkovich Mike Rumley Wells sends along last 2 hits to my 69 topps set thank you mike!! hero status for you! last two were Don Nottebart, and Gil Hodges OBC is great! mark zentkovich ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Mac Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 00:07:35 +0000 Subject: Re: Very Useful ebay info site that I just found out about From: richard dingman looks interesting, guess it will take some fiddling to see how it works, has the optics of a hectic page, on in which one has to know what they are doing for it to be helpful. i.e., not intuitive, i tried for a minute and got nowhere. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, March 26, 2017 6:32 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Very Useful ebay info site that I just found out about Here is a site I just found out about: watchcount.com You can see the best offer history on an ebay item to know what other offers have been rejected...also allows you to see actual sold prices on best offer items. I wish I had know about this site previously. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:11:05 -0400 To: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It is wells with my soul... From: "Thomas W. Billing" Sounds like a good church hymn title. > On Mar 26, 2017, at 7:59 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Mike Rumley Wells sends along last 2 hits to my 69 topps set > thank you mike!! > hero status for you! > last two were Don Nottebart, and Gil Hodges > OBC is great! > mark zentkovich ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:32:50 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Future of card collecting From: Andy Cook Echoing the thoughts several guys expressed on the previous thread, demand diminishes a little bit each year as baby boomer collectors (and whatever generation is before them) pass on. Don't put money into cards and expect tosell them for a huge profit in ten years to fund your retirement - those days are gone. Only the most desirable cards will retain value and you'll have a hard time giving away boxes of 60s-70s Topps commons. Have you been toa stamp show in the past couple years? Card shows will continue to evolvewith either more non-card attractions (autograph guests), or by branching into Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 20:34:26 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: So what is your holy grail these days? From: Wayne Delia This is the definitive answer. I've got 91 different 1950-56 Callahan Hall of Fame cards, and a near-complete second set. Most of the set is ridiculously common, being re-issued each year after 1950, with new inductees added to the set being much more scarce, and the final year players (including DiMaggio) genuinely rare. Never have I seen, and never have I heard of any other serious Callahan collectors who have laid eyes on card number 34B, Gehringer Dark Cap. Most of my research turns up a few stories of a second drawing of Gehringer facing left, with a darker cap on than his standard card shows - but there was never actually a card made for the set from that drawing. There's a listing in the 2011 SCD Vintage catalog pricing a near-mint example at $17. but any legit card matching that description would be much scarcer than the T206 Wagner. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 21:05:31 -0400 To: Andy Cook Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Future of card collecting From: "Thomas W. Billing" Here are my Sunday night musings: In light of this waning of demand, why are some cards continuing to skyrocket in price? E.g., why is the 1952 Topps Mantle now requiring a second mortgage to buy one? Most OBCers appear to not be willing to even consider one of these budget-busters so who is buying this card? I was always under the assumption that the cost of any item is based on supply vs. demand. When demand is lower, the price should drop (like gasoline prices). Of coursetoppsaholic and Irishhosta don=E2=99t believe this as they continue to have eye-popping listings on eBay. Why does the 1957 Bakep back error command close to $500 but the Maglie and Valentinetti from the same set do not have anyone lusting for them? Why does the 1958 Pancho Herrera go for fourdigits while the 1953 Jim Fridley with the same issue on the front go for commons prices? Why is there air? Why is the sky blue? Tom Billing > On Mar 26, 2017, at 8:32 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Echoing the thoughts several guys expressed on the previous thread, demand diminishes a little bit each year as baby boomer collectors (and whatevergeneration is before them) pass on. Don't put money into cards and expect to sell them for a huge profit in ten years to fund your retirement - thosedays are gone. Only the most desirable cards will retain value and you'll have a hard time giving away boxes of 60s-70s Topps commons. Have you been to a stamp show in the past couple years? Card shows will continue to evolve with either more non-card attractions (autograph guests), or by branchinginto > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2017 22:33:48 -0400 To: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Jake Brewer Absolutely Uncle Doug, ......too bad she responded with she couldnt accept money from family! Looks like I'll inherit an awesome collection! :) -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 26, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Jake "The Kid" Brewer has already told my wife he will give her $100 for my collection when I die. > Doug >> On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 8:49 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Unfortunately, I fear TJ is correct in his belief that card values will drop dramatically in the coming years. I have been saying this for a number of years now. The cards in the 80s, save for a Jordan rookie, are for the most part worthless. Cards in the 70s can easily be found, and with a few exceptions, have already started dropping. The 60s and 50s will be the next. Of course certain high demand cards will likely never drop. While that will include the Mantle rookies, it will also be the shortprints in 1966& 1967. Funny, but I expect 52 high numbers may have topped out and coulddrop in the next 10 years. >> No new collectors coming into the hobby, so demand will drop. As guys die off or sell off their collections (since few have family interested in keeping the collections), supply will actually increase. Not a good combination for values to go up. >> We just have to remember this is a hobby and do it because of our love for the cards. Do not bust our budgets (tough for many of us) trying to getthe cards we want. Enjoy them for what they are. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: Ed Hutchinson >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 11:42 pm >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >> Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. >> I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselvesout, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, my card collection will generally be worthless. >> That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy of a 52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the mantle will lose just one more zero. >> That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, andstill do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. Life for all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball diamonds are abandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten dugouts. They are like the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with several generations of boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free money. >> Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyist population is nothing to write home about. >> The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave mygrandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. >> Wes Shepard >> On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 is cards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be >> 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC >> 1972-73 Julius Erving RC >> 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC >> The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked up a Walter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I forget the designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I would love to have >> Ed >> On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> For me its all about the Babe >> I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was lucky to pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to get any of the others for double that. >> I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in HS.This quest may depend on where she goes to college J >> Thanks >> Bob >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? >> Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of yourlist? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked mywhat I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. I've seen1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? >> I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches probably point me to the correct answer-- >> Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. >> That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets (both baseball and hockey). >> Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... >> Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the top of the list. >> Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore sets to my already too long list. LOL >> Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few more sets)? >> Thanks OBC, >> peter mead ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 04:45:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Fantasy Baseball managers needed From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 01:55:51 -0400 To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? From: Anson Whaley I agree with a previous commenter that said a lot of the newer stuff is being bought by older collectors via box breaks, etc. When it comes to newer cards, box breaks *are* the hobby. I do not get out to many shows these days but I did attend two smaller shows last year in my area - neither had a single person there under 25 or so. I also stop by some flea markets from time to time and it's almost always adults there. Most kids have been priced out of the market when it comes to the better newer cards and they (understandably) have zero interest in collecting cards of players from 50 years ago that they've never heard of. The rise in electronics has been an even bigger factor. There certainly are kid collectors. Depending on your standards, even a lot of them. But growing up in the 1980s and 1990s, you were the oddball if you were a kid that did *not* collect. Now, it's seemingly the opposite. I have nine nieces and nephews and, with the exception of the oldest, I doubt any of them could even tell you what a baseball card really is. I do think a crash of sorts on the ridiculous prices on high-grade 50s and 60s stuff will happen. A card selling for hundreds of times more than just because a grader says so on a specific day doesn't make much sense. Grading has a role in our hobby for helping to ensure authenticity. But the crazy multipliers on 9s/10s aren't sustainable because more are being found every day. That said, things like T206 have never been hotter. Babe prices are high. Cobb prices are high. Mantle prices are high. And beyond that, hardly any pre-war stuff has taken even a slight hit in terms of value. I imagine that's mostly the same on the 50s/60s stuff, too. Almost everything is steady or up across the board. T206 will eventually come down because that's one that *isn't* scarce but vintage is doing very well and I think a lot of collectors will ultimately look towards older issues as they get older and have more disposable income. Also, don't underestimate the investor factor. There is a whole group of people that simply flip cards with no collecting interest at all. Much of that is high-level and above most of our spending capabilities, but it's all good for the bottom line. Those people should be welcomed with open arms. The more interested people there are, the better - regardless of their emotional attachment (or lack thereof) to the hobby. The problem of getting youth more involved is a big issue for sure. I found a few thousand junk commons several years ago when cleaning. Instead of throwing them away, I took them to a neighbor's child. Give cards to younger kids. Educate them about the hobby. Talk to them. It all starts with the current collectors, in my mind. That's still a path that can be corrected and the good thing is, there's plenty of time to do that. Many collectors are in their 30s and 40s so you're still seeing potentially for at least 30 more good years of a lot of active folks. Sure, that's dependent on the economy, etc., but everything is. I tried to keep that short ... swing and a miss. 'Cap' Anson On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 10:42 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I wrote a couple days ago that mine was the T205 Mathewson with a > Sovereign back. Well, Mac sends me a note today about one on Ebay, so I > made an offer and got it...yay!! That might cost me a few beers this week > when I see Mac in DC...totally worth it!! > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > Absolutely Uncle Doug, > ......too bad she responded with she couldnt accept money from family! > Looks like I'll inherit an awesome collection! :) > -Jake "The Kid" Brewer > Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 26, 2017, at 6:17 PM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Jake "The Kid" Brewer has already told my wife he will give her $100 for > my collection when I die. > Doug > On Sun, Mar 26, 2017 at 8:49 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Unfortunately, I fear TJ is correct in his belief that card values will > drop dramatically in the coming years. I have been saying this for a > number of years now. The cards in the 80s, save for a Jordan rookie, are > for the most part worthless. Cards in the 70s can easily be found, and > with a few exceptions, have already started dropping. The 60s and 50s will > be the next. Of course certain high demand cards will likely never drop. > While that will include the Mantle rookies, it will also be the shortprints > in 1966 & 1967. Funny, but I expect 52 high numbers may have topped out > and could drop in the next 10 years. > No new collectors coming into the hobby, so demand will drop. As guys die > off or sell off their collections (since few have family interested in > keeping the collections), supply will actually increase. Not a good > combination for values to go up. > We just have to remember this is a hobby and do it because of our love for > the cards. Do not bust our budgets (tough for many of us) trying to get > the cards we want. Enjoy them for what they are. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com > > To: Ed Hutchinson > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, Mar 25, 2017 11:42 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Since I can remember, I've always wanted the 1952 Topps #311 Mantle. An > authentic card in one piece is a card I will never legally own personally. > I have to believe the baby booming investors are going to buy themselves > out, and either one day be buried with their Cobbs and Mantle rookies, or > flood the market for Gen Xer's and then Millennials. I tend to believe the > millennials, as a generation, couldn't care less about sports cards. I > seriously think, but pray that I'm wrong, that when it's my time to pass, > my card collection will generally be worthless. > That being said, i believe when i am in my sixties or seventies, the > boomers will be gone, and the last paperboy will finally hold his own copy > of a 52 topps mantle for $100. And i think that when my kids bury me, the > mantle will lose just one more zero. > That's my theory. Millennials just dont value the same stuff we did, and > still do. Think about it. I remember when i was replaced by an actual > remote controller for tv. Many members grew up with black and white tv. And > perhaps a couple may have never even had a tv growing up. Sports was life. > Life for all kids. Even ones that sucked. They all loved Ruth or Hank > Aaron. Drive around your corner of the country, and tell me how many ball > diamonds are abandoned with ivy swallowing baselines and forgotten > dugouts. They are like the A&W rootbeer stands now. Just gone. Gone with > several generations of boys and sports fans. Now replaced with people whose > days revolve around taking pictures of themselves and looking for free > money. > Obviously we have a member or two representing the last resistance of card > collectors, but to me, it's a weak number. Actually, even the GenX hobbyist > population is nothing to write home about. > The card population will have to go somewhere in 30 years, and if I'm > right, I'll likely have a lot of dream cards on the cheap, and later leave > my grandkids with firewood. But if I'm wrong, as I hope I am wrong, that 52 > Mantle will never be legally obtained by me. > Wes Shepard > On Mar 25, 2017, at 10:29 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > I would have to break this down into categories for myself- category 1 is > cards I need to finish sets. In that regard, my top three would be > 1958 Topps Jim Brown RC > 1972-73 Julius Erving RC > 1959 Topps Bob Gibson RC > The other category would be iconic cards I would like to own that wont > finish sets- in that category would be original cards of big name guys such > as Speaker, Joss, Lajoie, and of course Ruth, Cobb, Gehrig. I just picked > up a Walter Johnson for the PC for 30 bucks (one of the felt blankets, I > forget the designation) but the old time big name guys are always cards I > would love to have > Ed > On Sat, Mar 25, 2017 at 11:28 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > For me its all about the Babe > I=E2=99m collecting the E121 set, which has four Babe Ruths, I was lucky > pick on up, trimmed, for under $200 a few years back. Would be thrilled to > get any of the others for double that. > I have a completed 1933 Goudey set with four lower condition Babes that I > mostly completed in the 90s when prices were cheaper and I was single > without kids. My real holy grail is to replace my 1933 Goudey full batting > pose with a decent looking card (PSA 2/3?). My daughter is a Freshmen in > HS. This quest may depend on where she goes to college J > Thanks > Bob > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogro > ups.com ] *On Behalf Of * > hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Thursday, March 23, 2017 5:08 PM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] So what is your holy grail these days? > Figured I might start a thread on what key cards are at the top of your > list? We all know that I collect practically everything, but Mac asked my > what I was currently collecting when a number of us met up at House of > Cards in Silver Spring early last week. My immediate answer was a 1956 > Rodeo Meat Bobby Shantz card which would complete a short 12-card set. > I've seen 1955 versions (including the misspelled name variation) but no > 1956s for what seems like forever. But is that really what I am collecting? > I do a search every couple of days on eBay--and the different searches > probably point me to the correct answer-- > Jello (I would love to find either cheap 1963 Jello SPs or any of the last > 14 1962s I need), Post Canadian (still need 4), Post, 1950 Drake (need 3 > including the elusive Dick Sisler), 1950-52 Royal Desserts (looking for > variations, different team designations or biography differences), Kahns, > Meats (looking for inexpensive-read cheap, Sandy Koufaxes from 1960 and > 1961 Morrell Meats), Peters Meats, 1963 Bazooka, Spic and Span, Sugardale, > Salada, Kelloggs 1970 and 1971 baseball/football. > That is pretty much the first pass--I occasionally add remar bread, > centennial flour and a few other minor league sets (Scheible postcards), > Bill and Bob postcards, 1969 Topps basketball rulers, and some OPC sets > (both baseball and hockey). > Too many sets need one or two cards Johnston cookie Aarons, Rodeo Meat > Shantz, 63 Bazooka gold Mathewson, 57 Topps Brooks, 54 Bowman Mantle, 60 > Mayrose Bobby Joe Conrad, 50 Bowman Teddy Williams...... > Heck maybe I should move the 1952 Hawthorne Mellody Nellie Fox pin to the > top of the list. > Bottom line--time to finish off some of my oddballs, before I add anymore > sets to my already too long list. LOL > Anybody read this to the end (or pull out your big book to discover a few > more sets)? > Thanks OBC, > peter mead ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:05:27 +0000 Subject: Ebay seller issue From: Shawn Smart Since as a group we have been helping each other out by posting Ebay issues, I will post one. I have no doubt this seller did mail the cards since hehas solid feedback but have been frustrated with being fought over a refund of $1.80. I do not plan on pursuing the refund since it is so small andwill just be blocking the seller on my search list. [eBay][http://rover.ebay.com/roveropen/0/e11051/7?euid0f2204f3b9e6473c9dfb4b3faa4dc85f&bu43191572243&sojTagsbu= New message from: sunny_day_cards (1,777[Red Star]) ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 10:53:52 -0400 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures From: Mike Glasser I've been thinking about this over the last few days. I have a problem with reprints in general. As collectors, we know the pitfalls of counterfeit cards and technology makes it very easy to reproduce. Too easily. I do understand the fun aspect of being able to 'have' cards that are difficult orrare but I believe that by encouraging more reprints, we invite more opportunity for someone to get ripped off or disappointed down the road. How do other people feel about reprints? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc Ramblings Cc: Mike Glasser ; Mark Talbot Sent: Fri, Mar 24, 2017 1:20 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165(the Dirty Dozen) On the non-sports side of Net54, I saw a message about a project to re-create the very rare 1939 War News Pictures R165 =E2=9CDirty Dozen=E2=9D cards numbered 109-120. These are impossible to find and very expensive. Kurt Kuersteiner has initiated a =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D campaign toreprint these cards. I do not know Kurt, but I think he is well known in the non sports world, and writes for =E2=9CThe Wrapper=E2=9D magazine.If his =E2=9Ckick-starter=E2=9D reaches a certain level, he will reprint the cards. The link will take you to the =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D campaign, it=E2=99s the first time I have ever participated in a =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D. There are several options, but for a pledge of $18 you will get a set of the reprinted cards postage paid. I entered my credit card info,and if the goal amount is reached, your card is charged, and Kurt will contact you via email for mailing information. There is a cool video to watch.Kurt says the last set of the 12 =E2=9Cdirty dozen=E2=9D cards sold for $16,000. At $18 for the reprint set, that=E2=99s $1.50 per card delivered. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/monsterwax/resurrecting-the-dirty-dozen-from-war-news-picture?refcreator_nav This is the first time I have participated in a kick-starter, and I do not know Kurt Kuersteiner. But it all seems very legit to me. ================= To: "larrytipton@windstream.net" , Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 15:10:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures From: Taylor Schock In a word: Mixed. I think those that are clearly designated are the best. Can't remember which issue, but there was (at least) one that had "REPRINT" or some such designation that was marked diagonally and unobtrusively across the back of the card (probably in red ink when the rest of the ink was black or blue). Those like the Goudeys that have a small "reprint" that is easily erased, not as I gladly own reprint sets of the following: T206, T205, 1952-1954 Topps, most of the '40s-'50s Bowman baseball, Jets-Rocket-Spacemen, Mars Attacks, the hi-hi (last 24) numbers from Uncle Sam, and a number of others I can't remember off the top of my head. Some, such as Topps and T205 I still collect the original and work on the sets. Others, such as the Bowman, I have no (more) desire to work on those sets, though I still pick up the occasional card that catches my eye. It really gets down to if I collect the set or not. Reprints aren't 'bad', but counterfeits From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:53 AM To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) I've been thinking about this over the last few days. I have a problem with reprints in general. As collectors, we know the pitfalls of counterfeit cards and technology makes it very easy to reproduce. Too easily. I do understand the fun aspect of being able to 'have' cards that are difficult orrare but I believe that by encouraging more reprints, we invite more opportunity for someone to get ripped off or disappointed down the road. How do other people feel about reprints? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc Ramblings Cc: Mike Glasser ; Mark Talbot Sent: Fri, Mar 24, 2017 1:20 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) On the non-sports side of Net54, I saw a message about a project to re-create the very rare 1939 War News Pictures R165 =93Dirty Dozen=94 cards numbered 109-120. These are impossible to find and very expensive. Kurt Kuersteiner has initiated a =93Kick-Starter=94 campaign to reprint these cards. I do not know Kurt, but I think he is well known in the non sports world, and writes for =93The Wrapper=94 magazine. If his =93kick-starter=94 reaches a certain level, he will reprint the cards. The link will take you to the =93Kick-Starter=94 campaign, it=92s the first time I have ever participated in a =93Kick-Starter=94. There are several options, but for a pledge of $18 you will get a set of the reprinted cards postage paid. I entered my credit card info, and if the goal amount is reached, your card is charged, and Kurt will contact you via email for mailing information. There is a cool video to watch. Kurt says the last set of the 12 =93dirty dozen=94 cards sold for $16,000. At $18 for the reprint set, that=92s $1.50 per card delivered. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/monsterwax/resurrecting-the-dirty-dozen-from-war-news-picture?refcreator_nav This is the first time I have participated in a kick-starter, and I do not know Kurt Kuersteiner. But it all seems very legit to me. ================= Date: 27 Mar 2017 17:58:27 +0000 To: Subject: mailed From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:14:54 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews ROOKIE RC #407, AUTH (PWCC) From: Rick Been watching this was wondering how much it would go for. Finally went over $100 maybe $250? View item: 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews ROOKIE RC #407, AUTH (PWCC) End Time: Mar 29, 2017, 6:05:31 PM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:18:26 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews ROOKIE RC #407, AUTH (PWCC) From: Jimi Thayer I've been watching it too. I stopped bidding around $20. I just can't pay$100+ that's missing all the border. Its PWCC so it'll probably go for like $1k..... ugh Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 27, 2017, at 2:14 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Been watching this was wondering how much it would go for. Finally went over $100 maybe $250? > View item: > 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews ROOKIE RC #407, AUTH (PWCC) > End Time: Mar 29, 2017, 6:05:31 PM PDT > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 14:49:06 -0400 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, larrytipton@windstream.net, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures From: Mike Glasser I like your last comment. I suppose that reprints more easily lead to counterfeits which is the real problem. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: larrytipton ; OBC-Ramblings ; Mike Glasser Cc: talbot1 Sent: Mon, Mar 27, 2017 11:10 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) In a word: Mixed. I think those that are clearly designated are the best. Can't remember which issue, but there was (at least) one that had "REPRINT" or some such designation that was marked diagonally and unobtrusively across the back of the card (probably in red ink when the rest of the ink was black or blue). Those like the Goudeys that have a small "reprint" that is easily erased, not as I gladly own reprint sets of the following: T206, T205, 1952-1954 Topps, most of the '40s-'50s Bowman baseball, Jets-Rocket-Spacemen, Mars Attacks, the hi-hi (last 24) numbers from Uncle Sam, and a number of others I can't remember off the top of my head. Some, such as Topps and T205 I still collect the original and work on the sets. Others, such as the Bowman, I have no (more) desire to work on those sets, though I still pick up the occasional card that catches my eye. It really gets down to if I collect the set or not. Reprints aren't 'bad', but counterfeits From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 10:53 AM To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) I've been thinking about this over the last few days. I have a problem with reprints in general. As collectors, we know the pitfalls of counterfeit cards and technology makes it very easy to reproduce. Too easily. I do understand the fun aspect of being able to 'have' cards that are difficult orrare but I believe that by encouraging more reprints, we invite more opportunity for someone to get ripped off or disappointed down the road. How do other people feel about reprints? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc Ramblings Cc: Mike Glasser ; Mark Talbot Sent: Fri, Mar 24, 2017 1:20 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) On the non-sports side of Net54, I saw a message about a project to re-create the very rare 1939 War News Pictures R165 =E2=9CDirty Dozen=E2=9D cards numbered 109-120. These are impossible to find and very expensive. Kurt Kuersteiner has initiated a =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D campaign toreprint these cards. I do not know Kurt, but I think he is well known in the non sports world, and writes for =E2=9CThe Wrapper=E2=9D magazine.If his =E2=9Ckick-starter=E2=9D reaches a certain level, he will reprint the cards. The link will take you to the =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D campaign, it=E2=99s the first time I have ever participated in a =E2=9CKick-Starter=E2=9D. There are several options, but for a pledge of $18 you will get a set of the reprinted cards postage paid. I entered my credit card info,and if the goal amount is reached, your card is charged, and Kurt will contact you via email for mailing information. There is a cool video to watch.Kurt says the last set of the 12 =E2=9Cdirty dozen=E2=9D cards sold for $16,000. At $18 for the reprint set, that=E2=99s $1.50 per card delivered. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/monsterwax/resurrecting-the-dirty-dozen-from-war-news-picture?refcreator_nav This is the first time I have participated in a kick-starter, and I do not know Kurt Kuersteiner. But it all seems very legit to me. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Mar 2017 19:54:14 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Diary of a Madman? From: Ken M Hi all,  Mike Rich inspired me to put together a list of all the 1971 Kellogg's variations. You can find it at http://kenmorganti.weebly.com/71-k-page.html, if you have some time to kill. Please feel free to add or subtract from my list by shooting holes in my theory of three print runs for this set. (First run - no 1970; second run - 1970 date added; third run - stat corrections made). The second run seems to be the most plentiful, followed by the first run. The third run with all the statistical changes is the scarcest and therefore continues to drive me insane. I think there have been at least 15 new ones discovered some 40 years after the set was produced. Ken M - and if I ever meet the person who's been checking the backs looking for these things, I might have to punch them in the face ;-) Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 07:19:45 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 (the Dirty Dozen) From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I=E2=99ve seen mention of reprints and counterfeits here before, what=E2=99s the difference? A reprint is clearly marked and sold as a reprint? And a counterfeit is sold as an original? A 1933 Goudey reprint is clearly marked reprint, and sold as a reprint. Butwhen you remove the word reprint, and artificially age the reprint, and sell the card as original or unknown, then it is counterfeit? ================= Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 12:10:52 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Stanley Cup Playoff Pool From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I've been trying to come up with the best format for a hockey pool. The two goals are 1) to get cards moving around, and 2) not have anybody "out" early. So I thought the best way to do it, is to use a random number generator to assign you a team/opponents in each round. So let's say we have 16 guys playing, we'd each be assigned a team, and your opponentwould be obvious. In the second round, I'll randomize it again, so you'd probably get a new team, and you'd have two opponents. If you won, you'd have two guys sending you cards, if you lose, you send out two. In the third round of the playoffs, you would be assigned a new (or maybe not) team, and it would be four opponents against you. For the Stanley Cup Finals, I think eight opponents is too many, so I'd cut it in half and you'd still have four. Does any of that make sense? The big thing is to keep everybody interested, spread the teams around (I mean,how many Flames fans are there if we got to pick our own), and get some cards moving around! Let me know if you're interested in playing. Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 10:16:44 -0400 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of Reprints: 1939 War News Pictures R165 From: Anson Whaley Hey Guru - The way I've always understood it is that the biggest difference is that reprints are products where permission has been given to remake a specific issue. They don't have say 'reprint' on them to qualify for that but they are cards that have been produced with permission given to remake the Counterfeits are cards that have been illegally made. For example, I don't believe the 1986-87 Fleer set was ever reprinted with permission. Current companies have used the cards and designs as inserts in modern sets. But I do not believe there is a reprint of that set that is not an insert card. Any cards like Jordan rookies, therefore, are all considered counterfeit. Both can be used by collectors to sell as an original to an unsuspecting person, obviously. Someone might be able to provide a better explanation but that's the way I understand it. 'Cap' Anson On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 7:19 AM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I=E2=99ve seen mention of reprints and counterfeits here before, what=E2=99s > difference? A reprint is clearly marked and sold as a reprint? And a > counterfeit is sold as an original? > A 1933 Goudey reprint is clearly marked reprint, and sold as a reprint. > But when you remove the word reprint, and artificially age the reprint, and > sell the card as original or unknown, then it is counterfeit? > Guru ================= Date: Tue, 28 Mar 2017 22:23:49 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bob's Wings quest From: For those who responded to my email on the Wings "Friend or Foe" note a few weeks ago, I have achieved my goal. But, in true OBC fashion, I have over-achieved. As I mentioned, I wanted to put together a set in VG or better condition as a retirement gift for a friend who is an aviation buff. Well, I have a complete set, but, I also ended up with a lot of duplicates. So many so that I have decided to build my own set. I have not had the time to go through them all and figure out what I have in dupes, and what I need, but I hope to find time in the next week to do so. When I do I will post my want/have list and the trading can begin. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:08:16 -0400 To: obc Ramblings Subject: In case you missed it....... From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Sal posted a thanks message four days ago, and ended his message with this =E2=9Cteaser=E2=9D. Maybe you missed it: =E2=9CKeep an eye out for a very cool announcement in the next week or=E2=9D I have not served with the OBCAC since 2015, but I have an idea what it is.I have no inside information. But I THINK I know. I=E2=99m just guessing And I am excited about it! ================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 16:11:39 -0400 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] In case you missed it....... From: Doug DeJong Love the suspense..... Sent from my iPad > On Mar 29, 2017, at 4:08 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sal posted a thanks message four days ago, and ended his message with this =E2=9Cteaser=E2=9D. Maybe you missed it: > =E2=9CKeep an eye out for a very cool announcement in the next week or=E2=9D > I have not served with the OBCAC since 2015, but I have an idea what it is. I have no inside information. But I THINK I know. I=E2=99m just guessing > And I am excited about it! > Guru ================= Date: 29 Mar 2017 20:39:52 +0000 To: Subject: Rickwood Classic- May 31st From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 22:38:59 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1955 Bowman variations From: Andy Cook Can someone please send me the list of variations? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 19:39:15 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews ROOKIE RC #407, AUTH (PWCC) From: Rick I guess I'll never get this card either if this trimmed card goes for $310 View item: 1952 Topps Eddie Mathews ROOKIE RC #407, AUTH (PWCC) End Time: Mar 29, 2017, 6:05:31 PM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 29 Mar 2017 23:52:40 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC fantasy baseball ???? From: MARK TALBOT MIME-Version: 1.0 I'd like to be on a league this year, I missed the cut on Football so if there is room on this league please send me an invitation. BE WELL!!!!! REGARDS ----------------------------- MARK > On March 28, 2017 at 10:09 PM "mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I'm in, up to 8 > Mark Holland > --------------------------------------------- > From: "familytoad@comcast.net" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; mark holland > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 8:41 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC fantasy baseball ???? > Plenty of openings (well up to 5:-) > Send me a note if you need the link to join! > OBC Forever > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > > > ------ Original Message ------ > > > > From: mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: March 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC fantasy baseball ???? > > > > > > > > > > > > Did we set up a fantasy baseball league this year? Is there any interest if we haven't? What do you think of an entry fee vs. hitting want list. Some lists are impossible for me to hit....especially from here. But I can transfer $10 on PayPal pretty quickly. LMK if we have one going. > thanks! > Mark Holland > --------------------------------------------- ================= Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 14:07:19 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Looking for Baseball hall of fame autogrpahes From: Nick Covello Hi Guys:Looking for autographed baseball card of the following players it does not matter what year the card is. I need the following Willie McCovey, Carl Yastremski, Tony PerezFergie Jenkins, Tom Seaver, Rod Carew, Rollie Fingers, Johnny Bench, Carlton Fisk, Jim Rice, George Brett, Robin Yount, Eddie Murray, Paul Molitor, Randy Johnson, Greg Maddux, Roberto Alomar, Frank Thomas, Mike Piazza, Ken Griffey Jr, Pedro Martinez,Ivan I have the following Hall of Famers and non Hall of Famers to trade.Dick Williams 1983 and 1984 ToppsRed Schoendienst 1973 ToppsOzzie Smith 1984 ToppsGlossy All starTed Lyons 1980 TCMAAndre Dawson 1982 FleerHank Bauer 1958 ToppsSparky Lyle 1981 FleerBobby Shantz 1962 ToppsJim Kaat 1983 FleerSteve Garvey 1985 Topps Please let me know. ThanksNick Covello ================= To: "familytoad@comcast.net" Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 16:46:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for Baseball hall of fame autogrpahes From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: 30 Mar 2017 23:37:08 +0000 To: Subject: 1978 Topps Autographs From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: 30 Mar 2017 23:49:39 +0000 To: Subject: 1967 Milton Bradley football cards From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Jim Thayer Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:44:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nice large poor 1960 Fleer lot on EBay with Ruth From: Aaron Shirley They went for $34 shipped. Didn't expect that, for 23 cards with SIGNIFICANT back problems. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jim Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, March 25, 2017 6:36 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nice large poor 1960 Fleer lot on EBay with Ruth Hey guys, I was hunting down some cards for my near complete 1960 Fleer set on EBay this morning and found this lot: 1960 Fleer Baseball 23 card lot. PLEASE READ ITEM DISCRIPTION !!!! | eBay $ 0.99 [https://s.yimg.com/nq/storm/assets/enhancrV2/23/logos/ebay.png] 1960 Fleer Baseball 23 card lot. PLEASE READ ITEM DISCRIPTION !!!! | eBay Cards are in poor condition, cards have been glued to cardboard on the backs of each card, zoom in the best you ... Looks perfect for some of you. He just listed it yesterday, so it's still at $0.99. Might be worth watching. My set needs to be in GOOD or better, so I'm passing on it.....most likely. If it stays cheap, I might pop on itto put a couple hits in my HOF Collection and then I'd just distribute therest to OBC. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 19:53:03 +0000 Subject: OUI MONSIEUR, VIVE LE O-PEE-CHEE!!! From: Aaron Shirley I'm pretty stoked to say, OPENING DAY O-PEE-CHEE is almost here! MLB Opening Night is April 2nd... so the ALL NEW live, editable, shared wantlists will be available starting April 2nd! Keep in mind, this is for all things Canada: - ALL O-PEE-CHEE CARDS OF ANY SPORT, but also... - ALL OTHER CANADIAN-PRODUCED CARDS, and... - ALL OTHER CARD ISSUES PERTAINING TO CANADIAN LEAGUES (CFL football cards,for Be prepared... it all starts APRIL 2. I will share the link, and you can goto And even if you can't hit the ground running at the beginning, the lists will still be live for several weeks, so join us when you can! Vive le OPC! ================= Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 13:23:38 -0700 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Palm Springs area..... From: wite3 ================= Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2017 18:02:55 -0400 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans has flooded evilbay From: "Thomas W. Billing" I think he is close to having it all on eBay but he also has it on COMC. The way it is supposed to work is that, once an item is bought via y of these three sources, it goes off theater two. I got burned once when a card I bought turned out to have been MIA and I got a facsimile. Since I was variations shopping, it did not please me. Tom Billing > On Mar 31, 2017, at 5:48 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Just wondering if Deans Cards has just posted their entire inventory of cards on EvilBay? > Makes a search a bit difficult. I would hate to be a small time seller who just posted a few items. > peter mead