================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 02:11:49 +0000 Subject: Amazing autograph find From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 10:43:49 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Yahoo Groups issue From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Just wanted folks to know that the AC and our internal tech guys are awarethat many guys are unable to access any of their YahooGroups. The tech guys, led by Joe Isaac, have been working on a new e-mail forum for a while now, that was getting close to the Beta testing phase. We may rush this into live use if the YahooGroups issue persists. For now, piggyback off old e-mails to send out posts to the group, if you are unable to access your YahooGroups. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: MARK_MACRAE Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 28, 2017 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist Their prices do seem reasonable. I am funny in that I try to set a costlimit for items. Sometimes it can be big $ for a Goudey Ruth and cards ofthat ilk, down to something I expect to pay only a dime for. In this instance, I am fine with spending the $2.12, for a card that I expected to findfor $1.00. I just cannot justify spending an additional $2.85 for this $1.00 card (in my mind). The funny part is the card would finish an obscure set that I have not found for a few years and I am still not willing to paythe few extra $. It is not the cost but the principal. Go figure. I was also told you might have had some of the 1972 TCMA E121s recently.Any chance you have a checklist for the set? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: MARK_MACRAE To: Rich, Mike Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 28, 2017 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist The Baseball Hobbyist is Steve Mitchell's store. Steve has been in the hobby since the 50's and is still active (up until 3 weeks ago when I saw him in Washington). Honest as the day is long and very fair to deal with...Postage is one of those hard bullets to bite, and there really is no way around it for single items, but he will combine to try and make things more tolerant. From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:47:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist Does anyone ever order anything from the Baseball Hobbyist store? They have a lot of interesting items at fair prices. At present I only want to order a single item for $2.12, and cannot justify the $2.85 in postage and handling for a single card. They combine shipping for all single cards. If anyone else is interested in ordering from them, please let me know. Link to their store is below. One of the things I feared when I first stopped working is that I would spend all day on Ebay. I have done real well staying off Ebay, until the last week. I still have not gone crazy, but have actually purchased a few things. When received, one base set should be finished (1948 Kellogg's Pep sports players) and another set down to 1 (1937 Diamond Matchbooks Team on back). Add to that a type card (1937 Dixie Lids). Not bad for a combined $13.59, including postage. Jason Christopherson recently got me started on 1972 TCMA 1922 E121 American Caramels. The set is not the same as the regular American Caramel set, and we do not have a checklist for them yet. That did not stop me from buying a group lot of 97 that I am waiting on. Mike Rich http://stores.ebay.com/thebaseballhobbyistandgram/ ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 18:30:19 +0000 Subject: Today's bad idea From: Aaron Shirley I went and did it. I started a new mini-collection idea. MISCUT, WRONG BACK, BLANK BACK, or SEVERELY DAMAGED CARDS - SHOWING CARDINALS. I need more collection ideas now like a fish needs a bicycle. So please don't feel any obligation to send me anything at all. But if you see that cardin your dupes box and wonder who would ever want it... well... okay, if you Just kidding. I was wondering if anyone else does any collecting like this?Stuff with serious problems but it's your team so why not, right? ================= To: "obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 18:47:38 +0000 Subject: returning member: JOEL GYSELINCK From: Aaron Shirley INPUT DESIRED: Former member JOEL GYSELINCK has expressed a desire to return. As a returning member, Joel doesn't need sponsors or mentor, just your input/opinions/comments. You can help with that process: 1. go to http://www.oldbaseball.com/ 2. Click DIRECTORY, then click VIEW NEW APPLICATIONS. 3. Sign in, then click on JOEL GYSELINCK (there are two applications with his name; use the first) 4. Add your input there. Thank you. After a week has passed, the AC will vote on his readmission. 1. The AC + the IT team are aware of the new weirdness today with Yahoo Groups - at this time you should still be able to initiate emails using anyof the servers, simply by starting directly from your email account. 2. Monthly report coming tonight. Aaron Shirley OBC Facilitator ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Aaron Shirley Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 19:45:43 +0000 Subject: Re: Today's bad idea From: Taylor Schock I like some of the 'serious problem' stuff too, and collect a few. Usually it's badly off-register stuff. Not the kind that is just a blurring of the image. But rather the kind that makes you have '60s flashbacks, grab for your 3-D glasses, or causes severe headaches and seizures. Along with some other oddball stuff. Miscut, not as much, unless it's 'cooly' miscut. But I do pick those up forothers who collect them. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 1:30 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea I went and did it. I started a new mini-collection idea. MISCUT, WRONG BACK, BLANK BACK, or SEVERELY DAMAGED CARDS - SHOWING CARDINALS. I need more collection ideas now like a fish needs a bicycle. So please don't feel any obligation to send me anything at all. But if you see that cardin your dupes box and wonder who would ever want it... well... okay, if you Just kidding. I was wondering if anyone else does any collecting like this?Stuff with serious problems but it's your team so why not, right? ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 20:17:41 +0000 Subject: Re: Today's bad idea From: richard dingman I do collect miscuts, as does Mike Rich, and perhaps others, but I am now just collecting baseball and non-sport miscuts. One of my specific miscut interests is 1975 baseball as I am working on an entirely miscut set. Got a ways to go, will update a list on my webpage soon, I hope... Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 2:45 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Aaron Shirley Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Today's bad idea I like some of the 'serious problem' stuff too, and collect a few. Usually it's badly off-register stuff. Not the kind that is just a blurring of the image. But rather the kind that makes you have '60s flashbacks, grab for your 3-D glasses, or causes severe headaches and seizures. Along with some other oddball stuff. Miscut, not as much, unless it's 'cooly' miscut. But I do pick those up forothers who collect them. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 1, 2017 1:30 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea I went and did it. I started a new mini-collection idea. MISCUT, WRONG BACK, BLANK BACK, or SEVERELY DAMAGED CARDS - SHOWING CARDINALS. I need more collection ideas now like a fish needs a bicycle. So please don't feel any obligation to send me anything at all. But if you see that cardin your dupes box and wonder who would ever want it... well... okay, if you Just kidding. I was wondering if anyone else does any collecting like this?Stuff with serious problems but it's your team so why not, right? ================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 15:15:18 -0600 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea From: T J Content-Disposition: inline At the National this year, Steve Rittenberg let Joe Adriance and I look through an odd ball Red Sox binder he had brought. The binder had many cards Ihad never seen before. It also contained a cool couple of pages that had cards of red sox players with writing on them. He also had a few traded pages, where someone had hand written red sox on the cards. One was a 71 Pete Rose on the Red sox. (I think it was a 71). Was fun to look at. I always believe that there are no "bad ideas" when it comes to collecting.If you want to collect mjscuts, cards with writing on them, 9 sets of a year - whatever it is, if it's fun and enjoyable, collect it. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-12-01 12:32:26 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea I went and did it. I started a new mini-collection idea. MISCUT, WRONG BACK, BLANK BACK, or SEVERELY DAMAGED CARDS - SHOWING CARDINALS. I need more collection ideas now like a fish needs a bicycle. So please don't feel any obligation to send me anything at all. But if you see that cardin your dupes box and wonder who would ever want it... well... okay, if you Just kidding. I was wondering if anyone else does any collecting like this?Stuff with serious problems but it's your team so why not, right? ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 21:50:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 17:33:28 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea From: ShoelessWes What about destroyed cards? Cards so bad, you can't identify them? Wes Shepard > On Dec 1, 2017, at 4:50 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Writing? I hadn=E2=99t thought of that. Yes. > Traded? Yes! Brilliant! > Aaron > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 1, 2017, at 3:15 PM, T J tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> At the National this year, Steve Rittenberg let Joe Adriance and I look through an odd ball Red Sox binder he had brought. The binder had many cards I had never seen before. It also contained a cool couple of pages that had cards of red sox players with writing on them. >> He also had a few traded pages, where someone had hand written red sox on the cards. One was a 71 Pete Rose on the Red sox. (I think it was a 71). >> Was fun to look at. >> I always believe that there are no "bad ideas" when it comes to collecting. If you want to collect mjscuts, cards with writing on them, 9 sets of ayear - whatever it is, if it's fun and enjoyable, collect it. >> TJ Valacak >> -----Original Message----- >> From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: 2017-12-01 12:32:26 PM >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea >> I went and did it. I started a new mini-collection idea. >> MISCUT, WRONG BACK, BLANK BACK, or SEVERELY DAMAGED CARDS - SHOWING CARDINALS. >> I need more collection ideas now like a fish needs a bicycle. So please don't feel any obligation to send me anything at all. But if you see that card in your dupes box and wonder who would ever want it... well... okay, ifyou >> Just kidding. I was wondering if anyone else does any collecting like this? Stuff with serious problems but it's your team so why not, right? >> Aaron ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 23:18:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's bad idea From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 02 Dec 2017 02:19:42 +0000 To: Subject: Quest falling short From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2017 22:16:22 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad From: Yahoo I am very sorry for your loss. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 1, 2017, at 21:28, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Richard, > Blessings and condolences on your family=E2=99s loss . > While you=E2=99ve been on the OBC servers frequently this past month, for your extreme generosity, this surely is not a post easily read. > Your OBC family grieves along with you and thanks you for being a great brother > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: November 30, 2017 at 12:44 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad > My older sister (76 years old) passed away Tuesday night. They do not know from what. Her daughter found her on the living room floor. My sister lived alone since her husband passed away about 20 years ago. It has not been a good year. > Take care, > Richard Labs ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 13:42:40 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Belated Thanks From: Mike Mackie An envelope from PETER MEAD got put in the wrong pile and was saved when itwas time to pay some bills. Peter sends an envelope with three Kelloggs cards - a 1972 Joe Torre and a pair of 1975s: Hal McRae and Jon Matlack. Both sets are under 10 so these hits go a long ways towards completing those sets. Thanks so much Peter. Mike MackieOBC/VCT ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 09:52:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Potential new member From: Rob Bessette Hi all, I have been chatting with a guy over on Net54, Mike Cavallaro, and he is expressing interest in joining the group. I told him he=E2=99d want to fill out an online application and get a wantlist up. Seems like a good guy. He said he met Dan Angland and had also been in contact with Jake Brewer. So he seems quite interested. Just a headsup. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 10:27:52 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups issue From: mikesportsfan@aol.com My YahooGroups list is back. Hopefully that is same for all others that were knocked off line for a couple of days. The AC will try to get back to Beta Testing the new e-mail system Joe Isaac has been working on. If it works we can hopefully change over before YahooGroups goes down again. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan To: mikesportsfan Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 1, 2017 10:43 am Subject: Yahoo Groups issue Just wanted folks to know that the AC and our internal tech guys are awarethat many guys are unable to access any of their YahooGroups. The tech guys, led by Joe Isaac, have been working on a new e-mail forum for a while now, that was getting close to the Beta testing phase. We may rush this into live use if the YahooGroups issue persists. For now, piggyback off old e-mails to send out posts to the group, if you are unable to access your YahooGroups. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: MARK_MACRAE Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 28, 2017 3:28 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist Their prices do seem reasonable. I am funny in that I try to set a costlimit for items. Sometimes it can be big $ for a Goudey Ruth and cards ofthat ilk, down to something I expect to pay only a dime for. In this instance, I am fine with spending the $2.12, for a card that I expected to findfor $1.00. I just cannot justify spending an additional $2.85 for this $1.00 card (in my mind). The funny part is the card would finish an obscure set that I have not found for a few years and I am still not willing to paythe few extra $. It is not the cost but the principal. Go figure. I was also told you might have had some of the 1972 TCMA E121s recently.Any chance you have a checklist for the set? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: MARK_MACRAE To: Rich, Mike Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 28, 2017 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist The Baseball Hobbyist is Steve Mitchell's store. Steve has been in the hobby since the 50's and is still active (up until 3 weeks ago when I saw him in Washington). Honest as the day is long and very fair to deal with...Postage is one of those hard bullets to bite, and there really is no way around it for single items, but he will combine to try and make things more tolerant. From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:47:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist Does anyone ever order anything from the Baseball Hobbyist store? They have a lot of interesting items at fair prices. At present I only want to order a single item for $2.12, and cannot justify the $2.85 in postage and handling for a single card. They combine shipping for all single cards. If anyone else is interested in ordering from them, please let me know. Link to their store is below. One of the things I feared when I first stopped working is that I would spend all day on Ebay. I have done real well staying off Ebay, until the last week. I still have not gone crazy, but have actually purchased a few things. When received, one base set should be finished (1948 Kellogg's Pep sports players) and another set down to 1 (1937 Diamond Matchbooks Team on back). Add to that a type card (1937 Dixie Lids). Not bad for a combined $13.59, including postage. Jason Christopherson recently got me started on 1972 TCMA 1922 E121 American Caramels. The set is not the same as the regular American Caramel set, and we do not have a checklist for them yet. That did not stop me from buying a group lot of 97 that I am waiting on. Mike Rich http://stores.ebay.com/thebaseballhobbyistandgram/ ================= Date: 02 Dec 2017 15:48:27 +0000 To: Subject: last mailing From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 02 Dec 2017 15:56:10 +0000 To: Subject: Thoughts about sub-set collections ramble From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= To: "'Rob Bessette'" , Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 12:18:17 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential new member From: "Sal Domino" What=E2=99s his name on Net54? Dan, I used to work with a guy named MikeCavallaro who lived out east LI years ago, wondering if it=E2=99s the same guy=E2=A6 We worked at PC Richard together ages ago. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 9:52 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential new member Hi all, I have been chatting with a guy over on Net54, Mike Cavallaro, and he is expressing interest in joining the group. I told him he=E2=99d want to fill out an online application and get a wantlist up. Seems like a good guy. He said he met Dan Angland and had also been in contact with Jake Brewer. So he seems quite interested. Just a headsup. ================= Date: 02 Dec 2017 17:29:11 +0000 To: Subject: one more From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 09:44:13 -0800 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Quest falling short From: Rick I thought we could hit these people in Richard's name so he can hit everyone. putting a little note by each persons name please take a look if anyone wants to pick a name. There is some issues with trying to pull up some wantlists. > My quest to hit everyone's list is going to fall short. I feel guilty that I can not hit some of the lists. If your name is on this list I can not find anything and rather send something you do not want I will continue to look in the coming year. Also, if you would like let me know what else you might want. I will be sending out some pWE's tomorrow. > LARRY GER I can hit > ERIK GR I think I can hit > JOSHUA L I can hit > CHUCK P Can't hit > GRANT can't hit > NICK P wantlist doesn't work > GEOGE V I can hit > GARY M I Can't hit > DAVE PUR wantlist doesn't work > KEITH S. Wantlist doesn't work > GENO WAGNER ridiculous > TOM B triple ridiculous > Sorry that I could not hit your lists. > Richard ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 09:49:58 -0800 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Quest falling short From: Rick I should have added to Tom Billings wantlist to quote crocodile Dundee "that's not a wantlist this is a wantlist" Sent from my iPad > On Dec 2, 2017, at 9:44 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > All > I thought we could hit these people in Richard's name so he can hit everyone. putting a little note by each persons name please take a look if anyone wants to pick a name. There is some issues with trying to pull up some want >> My quest to hit everyone's list is going to fall short. I feel guilty that I can not hit some of the lists. If your name is on this list I can not find anything and rather send something you do not want I will continue to look in the coming year. Also, if you would like let me know what else you might want. I will be sending out some pWE's tomorrow. >> LARRY GER I can hit >> ERIK GR I think I can hit >> JOSHUA L I can hit >> CHUCK P Can't hit >> GRANT can't hit >> NICK P wantlist doesn't work >> GEOGE V I can hit >> GARY M I Can't hit >> DAVE PUR wantlist doesn't work >> KEITH S. Wantlist doesn't work >> GENO WAGNER ridiculous >> TOM B triple ridiculous >> Sorry that I could not hit your lists. >> Richard ================= Date: 02 Dec 2017 18:13:07 +0000 To: Subject: NON-Sport Waivers... From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 10:49:58 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: More waiver wire offerings ('65-'62) From: Gary Beard If you've requested anything so far, I'll be waiting until I get all my '50s and '60s waivers posted before sending packages. This will allow me to make sure I can send something to everyone that asks. If you need something asap, let me know and I'll send it right away. Again, please include your address ('cause I'm just lazy). Here's what I have available from '65 to '62: 1965 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 87 Nelson Matthews Kansas City Athletics 1964 Topps Number Name Team 172 Indians Team Cleveland Indians 274 Checklist 265-352 None 1963 Topps Number Name Team 17 Ryne Duren Los Angeles Angels 19 Pete Burnside Baltimore Orioles 22 Curt Simmons St. Louis Cardinals 41 Charlie Lau Baltimore Orioles 79 Checklist 1-88 None 85 Tom Haller San Francisco Giants 86 Charley Maxwell Chicago White Sox 89 Dick Stigman Minnesota Twins 93 Galen Cisco New York Mets 94 Bob Schmidt Washington Senators 95 Larry Jackson Chicago Cubs 96 Lou Clinton Boston Red Sox 99 Jim Umbricht Houston Colt .45's 100 Joe Cunningham Chicago White Sox 101 Joe Gibbon Pittsburgh Pirates 104 Lew Krausse Kansas City Athletics 106 Bob Bolin San Francisco Giants 112 Dick Brown Baltimore Orioles 114 Dan Osinski Los Angeles Angels 117 Jacke Davis Philadelphia Phillies 118 Sherm Lollar Chicago White Sox 119 Bob Lillis Houston Colt .45's 121 Jim Hannan Washington Senators 124 Dick Howser Kansas City Athletics 127 Bill Tuttle Minnesota Twins 133 Gene Freese Cincinnati Reds 137 Mack Jones Milwaukee Braves 140 Frank Lary Detroit Tigers 149 Marv Breeding Washington Senators 152 Ron Nischwitz Cleveland Indians 157 Diego Segui Kansas City Athletics 159 Jim Pagliaroni Pittsburgh Pirates 164 Bubba Morton Detroit Tigers 166 Johnny Keane St. Louis Cardinals 168 Russ Nixon Boston Red Sox 171 Steve Hamilton Washington Senators 174 Larry Burright New York Mets 176 Jim King Washington Senators 181 Sammy Esposito Chicago White Sox 182 Albie Pearson Los Angeles Angels 185 Chuck Hiller San Francisco Giants 186 Jerry Zimmerman Minnesota Twins 187 Willie Kirkland Cleveland Indians 189 Dave Giusti Houston Colt .45's 191 Checklist 177-264 None 193 Andre Rodgers Chicago Cubs 194 Joe Nuxhall Cincinnati Reds 196 Doug Camilli Los Angeles Dodgers 376 Johnnie Wyatt Kansas City Athletics 387 Al McBean Pittsburgh Pirates 1962 Topps Number Name Team 4 John DeMerit New York Mets 11 Tom Morgan Los Angeles Angels 16 Darrell Johnson Cincinnati Reds 19 Ray Washburn RC St. Louis Cardinals 23 Norm Larker Houston Colt .45's 26 Chris Cannizzaro New York Mets 38 Gene Stephens Kansas City Athletics 47 Bob Will Chicago Cubs 66 Cuno Barragan RC Chicago Cubs 69 Phil Ortega RC Los Angeles Dodgers 89 Barney Schultz RC Chicago Cubs 94 Jay Hook New York Mets 101 Carroll Hardy Boston Red Sox 106 Carl Sawatski St. Louis Cardinals 168A Leo Posada Kansas City Athletics 206 Washington Senators Washington Senators 257 Jack Spring RC Los Angeles Angels 276 Hal Kolstad RC Boston Red Sox 344 Ed Bauta RC St. Louis Cardinals 359 Bobby Locke Chicago Cubs 363 Bob Roselli Chicago White Sox 364 Ken Hunt Los Angeles Angels 375 Ron Fairly Los Angeles Dodgers 422 Steve Bilko Los Angeles Angels 433 Jim Archer Kansas City Athletics 444 Ted Wills Boston Red Sox Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 13:57:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 58 blue Aaron From: Rob Bessette Any of you guys have experience with it? Have a chance to pick one up that is most likely try to flip. Don=E2=99tsee a ton of history on the card. Attached is a pic. ================= To: Rob Bessette Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:01:11 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:04:08 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Can't update my wantlist From: Robert Fitts Hi, Wayne Delia is currently working on upgrading the want lists stored on the OBC server. This is a minor outage which shouldn't take very long at all. This function will be back up in a little while. I=E2=99m getting this message. Is the site still down or am I doing something wrong after the server cajnge ================= To: "'Rob Bessette'" , Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 14:18:07 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] From: "Sal Domino" Check out the posts from Net54 a while back=E2=A6 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t160157 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 2:16 PM To: JAY TYSVER Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Rob Bessette included below] It=E2=99s marked 30A on the slab. Which I=E2=99ve never seen. Also seen slabs that say missing yellow ink Saw this at heritage. Pic attached. Is that really what they go for??? On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:01 PM, JAY TYSVER wrote: I have one also. People say it's from the Sun fading it, but I've seen too many of this cardto believe that. Jay Tysver On Dec 2, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Any of you guys have experience with it? Have a chance to pick one up that is most likely try to flip. Don=E2=99tsee a ton of history on the card. Attached is a pic. ================= Date: 02 Dec 2017 21:37:27 +0000 To: Subject: Lot of 220 or so Pre-War Non-sport UK Cards From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 17:18:04 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] From: Rob Bessette Incredibly helpful. Looks like the consensus is that it=E2=99s faded from > On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sal Domino wrote: > Check out the posts from Net54 a while back=E2=A6 > http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t160157 > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 2:16 PM > To: JAY TYSVER > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] > [Attachment(s) from Rob Bessette included below] > It=E2=99s marked 30A on the slab. Which I=E2=99ve never seen. Also seen slabs that say missing yellow ink > Saw this at heritage. Pic attached. Is that really what they go for??? > > On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:01 PM, JAY TYSVER wrote: > I have one also. > People say it's from the Sun fading it, but I've seen too many of this card to believe that. > Jay Tysver > On Dec 2, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Any of you guys have experience with it? > Have a chance to pick one up that is most likely try to flip. Don=E2=99t see a ton of history on the card. > Attached is a pic. ================= To: "'Rob Bessette'" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 19:48:22 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] From: "Sal Domino" I have the same thing with my 64 topps standup Koufax. Since yellow and blue make green, I have a feeling more of the issue is that there may be something to the printing issues that maybe yellow was running out at the time of printing or that the yellow gets absorbed more to light, hence the fading. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: Rob Bessette [mailto:robsbessette@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 5:18 PM To: Sal Domino Cc: JAY TYSVER; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] Incredibly helpful. Looks like the consensus is that it=E2=99s faded from On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:18 PM, Sal Domino wrote: Check out the posts from Net54 a while back=E2=A6 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t160157 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 02, 2017 2:16 PM To: JAY TYSVER Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 blue Aaron [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Rob Bessette included below] It=E2=99s marked 30A on the slab. Which I=E2=99ve never seen. Also seen slabs that say missing yellow ink Saw this at heritage. Pic attached. Is that really what they go for??? On Dec 2, 2017, at 2:01 PM, JAY TYSVER wrote: I have one also. People say it's from the Sun fading it, but I've seen too many of this cardto believe that. Jay Tysver On Dec 2, 2017, at 12:57 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Any of you guys have experience with it? Have a chance to pick one up that is most likely try to flip. Don=E2=99tsee a ton of history on the card. Attached is a pic. ================= To: "OBC-DealerScum@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 01:48:55 +0000 Subject: 1975 Topps ENDS TONIGHT! From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 20:56:58 -0500 Subject: and then there was 1... 57 topps From: "Matt Yudt" Went to the Philly Show for about an hour and half yesterday - get this, for free. Casually in my own world looking for a working ATM and just meandered through the doors without me or anyone realizing it, but once I did I didn't go back and buy a ticket - it was already after 6 and show closes at 8. Instead I spent more at Dave Estrights table and almost the entire hour plus. Saw Mac and met Wayne, but missed Ant. I wanted to go back today, but it was too beautiful out at 8 AM already so I played golf instead and won $70 in matches. Not sure if I can make it tomorrow so I went up to Zerns flea market in nearby Boyertown to see Greg (Vintage and Vinyl) and spend that winnings! Got a nice small stack here for a nice price - but the prize - and what I intended on spending the majority of time looking for at the Philly Show were 2 of my last 3 57 topps: W Ford and Banks for about what I wanted to pay too (because I bought more). So down to ONE 57 Topps. The damn Brooks rookie. The prices on ebay right now are crazy but within the past year it was possible to find OBC ones for under $100. Aint seeing that now. If you come across one, keep me in mind. Matt Yudt ================= To: Aaron Shirley Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:39:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-DealerScum] 1975 Topps ENDS TONIGHT! From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 2 Dec 2017 22:40:58 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Can't update my wantlist From: Wayne Delia Most likely, you're using a bookmark to the flat file that used to be your want list. If you go through the Directory on the OBC main page, and click the want list button next to your name, you'll see your content and will be able to update it. What I'll do is change the message on that error page you're seeing to clear up what to do to get to your current list. Anthony Arbeeny contacted me earlier with the same concern, and I was thinking that we theoretically could support both methods of storing the want lists - 1) regular flat files, same as before, and 2) the new installed method of storing want lists in the OBC database. Pro's for 1): Won't have to change browser bookmarks, and won't have to alert other people who are using the same bookmark to see your want list. Con's for 1): Will still have the problems with "caching" not showing the latest updates on the want list flat files, and will still have trouble displaying strange quotes/dashes characters when copying and pasting from a word processor. Pro's for 2): No more "caching" problems, as the most recent changes in want list will show up immediately; most/all strange word processor symbols will display correctly; we will be able to use this method to develop a new application "Who Needs This Card" easier. Con's for 2): Will need to change the URL address in bookmarks; new URL name is slightly longer. I'd really prefer to go with just one access method but both could be in effect for anyone who really wants to stay with the old one. ================= To: "OBC-DealerScum@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:21:07 +0000 Subject: 1975 TOPPS round one done, round two tomorrow! From: Aaron Shirley The first set has sold to JOEL GYSELINCK for $246. Congrats, Joel! Be on the lookout for sets 2-9, as well as 'near set 10' and 'partial set 11' tomorrow after I get home from church. (Sorting, and had to stop again at #200, my back is hurting...) ================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 01:33:39 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: West Coast Bound... From: Kent I'm heading to Sacramento for a couple of days and then down to sunny South Pasadena for a week and then back to Sacramento for another week.. My aunt passed away in October and left my family her condo and trust fund. Condo needs lots of repair so it will be a working visit as well as vacation time. Anybody want to meet up let me know so I can pull cards for handshakes naturally. ================= To: Dealer Scum , OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 19:41:24 +0000 Subject: 1975 TOPPS: sets 2-9 and partial sets From: Aaron Shirley TIME FOR ROUND TWO! SET 1 SOLD for $246.00. Each following set is offered for $20 off the priceof the one before it. And as expected, each following set is also slightlylower grade. All prices include shipping. You can claim any item by emailing/texting/FB posting "I will buy set x." I will message you back to let you know if it is still available and give you instructions on payment. Your item is then marked SOLD once the correct fee-free PayPal payment has been made to me at the email address below (or if PayPal is NOT an option, once you have specified check or money order). SET 2: $226.00 SET 3: $206.00 SET 4: $186.00 SET 5: $166.00 SET 6: $146.00 SET 7: $126.00 SET 8: $106.00 SET 9: $86.00 (two team cards will be coming from other OBC members) NEAR SET: $66.00 (500 cards *APPROXIMATE*) Aaron, Carter RC, Rice RC, Killebrew, Lynn RC, Carew, F.Robinson, Perez, Brock, Perry, McCovey, Seaver, Palmer, Jackson, Yaz, Bench, Hunter, Carlton, Morgan, Gibson, Garvey, Stargell, Jenkins, Brooks, Santo, Blyleven, Fingers... PARTIAL SET: $46.00 (400 cards *APPROXIMATE*) Aaron, Rice RC, Killebrew, Lynn RC, Carew, F.Robinson, Brock, Perry, Seaver, Palmer, Jackson, Yaz, Garvey, Jenkins, Brooks, Santo, Blyleven, Fingers... TO BID OR GET MOST CURRENT INFO: email: uthminsta@hotmail.com text: 618-509-3600 (please do not call) Facebook: post only on the current item thread, or send me a direct message. Pictures (and exact card counts on the near set and partial set) will be posted later tonight. One more reminder, this entire 1975 endeavor is to put funds aside for OBC 'scholarships' to the National and other such benevolent endeavors as the OBC Advisory Committee deems worthy. It was begun by Kent Goto and many of you helped out in huge ways. Thanks to all who were a part of this awesome project! Thanks guys. Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 03 Dec 2017 21:18:45 +0000 To: Subject: Pre-War Waivers From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 16:44:21 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-War Waivers From: Anson Whaley Just a quick update that the Exhibit and Coal cards are gone. Others still available - thanks. On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:18 PM, ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Greetings all - haven't done any pre-war waivers in a while but here are a > few if anyone needs/wants any. All available, FCFS. Please include your > address. > - Larry French (Cubs) 1930s Diamond Matchbook Cover > - 1939 Bolivarian Games Canceled Stamps Set of Ten - includes early > basketball, boxing, tennis, etc. > - Glen Burn Baseball Coal Trade Card - picked up two more of these and > have two available > - Ken Williams 1921 Exhibit > - T51 Murads Juniata, Adelphia, and Lawrence (all trimmed) > - T218 Mecca Daniels (Swimmer) > "Cap" Anson ================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 17:54:07 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-War Waivers From: Anson Whaley One more update here as the T218 and the matchbook have been claimed. Only items left are the stamps set and the T51 Murads. On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:18 PM, ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Greetings all - haven't done any pre-war waivers in a while but here are a > few if anyone needs/wants any. All available, FCFS. Please include your > address. > - Larry French (Cubs) 1930s Diamond Matchbook Cover > - 1939 Bolivarian Games Canceled Stamps Set of Ten - includes early > basketball, boxing, tennis, etc. > - Glen Burn Baseball Coal Trade Card - picked up two more of these and > have two available > - Ken Williams 1921 Exhibit > - T51 Murads Juniata, Adelphia, and Lawrence (all trimmed) > - T218 Mecca Daniels (Swimmer) > "Cap" Anson ================= Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 20:00:45 -0500 To: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential new member From: Jake Brewer Just confirming he did contact me; seems like a rad dood and I=E2=99m all for another young guy like me joining the fun! I=E2=99ll post details on our dealings later. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 3, 2017, at 7:51 PM, Dan Angland duph182@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Yes Rob, I did meet him and told him about OBC. > I've been in touch by email and I will sponsor him. I just have to send him all the information about the application process and how things work. > So if any of you guys hear from him about a trade, don't be apprehensive. > Dan Angland > Have an OBC night! > From: "Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, December 2, 2017 9:52 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential new member > Hi all, > I have been chatting with a guy over on Net54, Mike Cavallaro, and he is expressing interest in joining the group. > I told him he=E2=99d want to fill out an online application and get a wantlist up. Seems like a good guy. He said he met Dan Angland and had alsobeen in contact with Jake Brewer. So he seems quite interested. Just a heads > Rob ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 01:45:52 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: OBC Maps From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Years ago, somebody put out an OBC yearbook sort of thing. One of thecool things was the map with the pins on it, where everyone is at. For frequent travelers, like myself, it would be cool to have a feature on the webpage that showed where we all are. Anybody know a good app for that? Take Care,Geno ================= Date: 04 Dec 2017 16:29:36 +0000 To: Subject: Interesting Development From: twbilling@sbcglobal.net ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:42:38 -0500 To: "glenncodere@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Thomas W. Billing" That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net > > > Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get itquickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. > Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:43:21 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Joel Freedman what is the return address, from toppsaholic? On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I > really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I > was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and > just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him > saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up > backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When > the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be > anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me > apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other > items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I > offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and > a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was > one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I > would not bet on it. > Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 11:46:54 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Thomas W. Billing" Oh boy, I wish I had saved the return label. I do recall that it was a PO box in Halifax, MA. When I last researched him, he was living there after having been in Plymouth, MA (I doubt the pilgrims were his descendants). > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > what is the return address, from toppsaholic? > Joel > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net >> > >> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When thecards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >> Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:05:24 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Joel Freedman Toppsaholic sets up at the local shows in the boston area. We could stop by his table. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Thomas W. Billing > Oh boy, I wish I had saved the return label. I do recall that it was a PO > box in Halifax, MA. When I last researched him, he was living there after > having been in Plymouth, MA (I doubt the pilgrims were his descendants). > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > what is the return address, from toppsaholic? > Joel > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal. > net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I >> really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> wrote: >> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> wrote: >> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I >> was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and >> just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him >> saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up >> backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When >> the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be >> anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailedme >> apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other >> items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again sinceI >> offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and >> a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was >> one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I >> would not bet on it. >> Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:06:19 -0500 To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net, jefreedman1@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net What is interesting is--he is now putting "OBC" into some of his ebay titles. I normally find some Chandy offerings when I search OBC--now there are a number of miscut late 1960s and 1971 cards courtesy of ToppsAholic. -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Joel Freedman Cc: glenncodere ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Dec 4, 2017 11:47 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development Oh boy, I wish I had saved the return label. I do recall that it was a PO box in Halifax, MA. When I last researched him, he was living there after having been in Plymouth, MA (I doubt the pilgrims were his descendants). On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: what is the return address, from toppsaholic? On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I wascalled a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and justwrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backsfor the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asksagain, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:10:18 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Thomas W. Billing" Take him some anthrax! Seriously, his wife did mention in her email to me to tell me to make the offer on this pair that they had been to the National in Chicago and were impressed by the OBC folks there. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 12:05 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Toppsaholic sets up at the local shows in the boston area. We could stop by his table. > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:46 AM, Thomas W. Billing > wrote: > Oh boy, I wish I had saved the return label. I do recall that it was a PO box in Halifax, MA. When I last researched him, he was living there after having been in Plymouth, MA (I doubt the pilgrims were his descendants). >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> what is the return address, from toppsaholic? >> Joel >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 11:42 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net >>> > >>> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. Iwas called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from himsaying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?).I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >>> Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:10:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Glenn Codere Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing wrote: That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29,twbilling@sbcglobal.net[OBC-Ramblings] Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff andjust wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. Hiswife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decidedto become human, but I would not bet on it. Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 12:12:35 -0500 To: "glenncodere@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Joel Freedman in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in his desire to sell cards. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of > your exchanges!! =89 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing > wrote: > That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I > really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I > was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and > just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him > saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up > backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When > the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be > anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me > apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other > items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I > offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and > a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was > one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I > would not bet on it. > Tom Billing ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:21:17 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Sal Domino" Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but his wife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby on itsear! https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAAOSwf= Although some are still priced STOOOPID! https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQAAOS= Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM To: glenncodere@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction inhis desire to sell cards. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing wrote: That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I wascalled a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and justwrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backsfor the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asksagain, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:36:17 -0800 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Rick With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth. I did just put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't heardback yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in the heading. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, wehave a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G > I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but his wife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straighteninghis ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby on its > https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAAOS= > Although some are still priced STOOOPID! > https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQAA= > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM > To: glenncodere@yahoo.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development > in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in his desire to sell cards. > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing > wrote: > That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get itquickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. > Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:39:28 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: Waiver wire (continued) - '58 to '61 Topps From: Gary Beard More Waiver wires from the early '60s. Most of my '50s and '60s are less than VG, so if condition is an issue, ask first. Don't forget to include your address. 1961 Topps Regular Number Name Team 45 Drysdale/Frnd/MCrmk None 59 Jim Woods Philadelphia Phillies 75 Jackson/McDaniel Atlanta Braves 1959 Topps Regular Number Name Team 64 Joe DeMaestri Kansas City Athletics 95 Carl Willey Milwaukee Braves 128 Bob Hartman Milwaukee Braves 296 Ernie Broglio St. Louis Cardinals 361 Willard Nixon Boston Red Sox 372 Jim Hegan Philadelphia Phillies 373 Herb Plews Washington Senators 384 Dave Sisler Boston Red Sox 392 Whitey Herzog Kansas City Athletics 416 Haywood Sullivan Boston Red Sox 433 Billy Harrell St. Louis Cardinals 474 Moe Thacker Chicago Cubs 517 Joe Koppe Philadelphia Phillies 531 Ray Webster Cleveland Indians 548 Elmer Singleton Chicago Cubs 1958 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 57A Tim Thompson Detroit Tigers 78A Ernie Johnson Milwaukee Braves 87 Johnny Kucks New York Yankees 103 Jerry Lynch Cincinnati Reds 108A Jim Landis Chicago White Sox 110 Johnny Logan Milwaukee Braves 111 Stu Miller San Francisco Giants 131 Bob Henrich RC Cincinnati Reds 137 Russ Kemmerer Washington Senators 138 Earl Torgeson Chicago White Sox 157 Dee Fondy Cincinnati Reds 164 Bob Taylor RC Milwaukee Braves 185 Ray Boone Detroit Tigers 196 Mike Garcia Cleveland Indians 202 Woody Held RC Kansas City Athletics 234 Carl Sawatski Milwaukee Braves 259 Al Pilarcik Baltimore Orioles 266 Connie Johnson Baltimore Orioles 279 Bob Boyd Baltimore Orioles 290 Dick Donovan Chicago White Sox 294 Hal Jeffcoat Cincinnati Reds 301 Randy Jackson Los Angeles Dodgers 318 Frank House Kansas City Athletics 329 Bob Cerv Kansas City Athletics 336 Bert Hamric Baltimore Orioles 415 Bob Bowman Philadelphia Phillies 435 Ed Roebuck Los Angeles Dodgers 448 Charley Lau RC Detroit Tigers 459 Ron Blackburn RC Pittsburgh Pirates 466 Pete Whisenant Cincinnati Reds Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 13:40:04 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Yahoo I was going to bid in the 60=E2=99s lot Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2017, at 13:21, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, wehave a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G > I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but his wife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straighteninghis ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby on its > https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAAOS= > Although some are still priced STOOOPID! > https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQAA= > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM > To: glenncodere@yahoo.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development > in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in his desire to sell cards. > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing > wrote: > That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get itquickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. > Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 10:44:01 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1957 Topps Waiver Wire From: Gary Beard Found a couple '57 Topps (maybe just under VG, maybe) to give away. Who can use them? 1957 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 218 Ray Jablonski Chicago Cubs 244 Billy Loes Baltimore Orioles Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:02:18 -0500 Subject: ebay lots From: "Matt Yudt" Some interesting lots at low starting bids from seller 'imfinallyon' https://www.ebay.com/sch/imfinallyon/m.html?_ipg=50 this is the guy from Gregs Vintage and Vinyl that I buy from here in PA. He does a show in Delaware every month that some of you may have met him at ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:03:57 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Thomas W. Billing" It probably should not matter, but they both are very deficient in the use of the English language. There are misspellings, incomplete sentences, wrong word usage, etc. That makes it tricky to see what they are trying to say. I know his wife signed her name =E2=9CLillie=E2=9D but I used to receive scathing emails from =E2=9CAlison=E2=9D as well as Matthew Zimmerman, who is toppsaholic. Tom Billing > On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth. I didjust put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't heard back yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in the heading. > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G > I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but his wife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby on its >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAAO= SwfVhaAI2n > Although some are still priced STOOOPID! >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQA= AOSwovNZ~9d9 > Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM >> To: glenncodere@yahoo.com >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development >> in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfactionin his desire to sell cards. >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing >> > wrote: >> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net >> > >> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $ When the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get itquickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >> Tom Billing ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 14:44:30 -0500 Subject: a little milestone data From: "Matt Yudt" Just added a bunch of topps run hits over the weekend and added a data point to the chart below. I'm now under 800 left (inc all but one 52 hi#). When I joined OBC in Feb 2011 I needed over 7000. OBC Forever! ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 15:08:59 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: ShoelessWes Bad grammar or odd sayings like they're from Pakistan? Wes Shepard > On Dec 4, 2017, at 2:03 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It probably should not matter, but they both are very deficient in the use of the English language. There are misspellings, incomplete sentences, wrong word usage, etc. That makes it tricky to see what they are trying to say. I know his wife signed her name =E2=9CLillie=E2=9D but I used to receive scathing emails from =E2=9CAlison=E2=9D as well as Matthew Zimmerman, who is toppsaholic. > Tom Billing >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth. I did just put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't heard back yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in the heading. >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G >>> I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but hiswife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby onits >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAA= >>> Although some are still priced STOOOPID! >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQ= >>> Sal Domino >>> OBC - 1992 >>> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >>> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM >>> To: glenncodere@yahoo.com >>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development >>> in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in his desire to sell cards. >>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out ofyour exchanges!! =89 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing >>> wrote: >>> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>> wrote: >>> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. Iwas called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from himsaying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $ When thecards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >>> Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:30:19 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Anson Whaley The name thing does not surprise me. When he was forced to give his full name over on Net54, he initially said it was Matthew Hopkins and that he was from Vegas. It was then changed to Matthew Zimmerman/MA after he was outed. I don't believe I've purchased anything from him. I made him an offer once and while he didn't insult my offer, his counter was significantly more than I would pay. Someone once asked him about one of his outlandish prices - maybe even on the now infamous Wagner stamp. His response was, in a nutshell, that he does things very deliberately for specific reasons and that he knew what he was doing, as if he was on some covert 007 mission. I've not had a bad experience personally with him and if he had something I needed on eBay, I would probably make an offer. But his attitude over at Net54, his crazy pricing, the whole fake alias, and just generally strange behavior tells me I probably won't be doing much business with him and that he's not a good fit here. I can understand guys being hyperaggressive over a computer but for the life of me don't know why someone would act like that if they're setting up at shows and dealing with people face to face. I have to imagine that the majority of the people at any given show that know of his antics would avoid his table entirely. Seems like bad business. On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:03 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It probably should not matter, but they both are very deficient in the use > of the English language. There are misspellings, incomplete sentences, > wrong word usage, etc. That makes it tricky to see what they are trying to > say. I know his wife signed her name =E2=9CLillie=E2=9D but I usedto > scathing emails from =E2=9CAlison=E2=9D as well as Matthew Zimmerman, who is > toppsaholic. > Tom Billing > On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth. I did > just put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't > heard back yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those > seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in > the heading. Rick > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we > have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on > his bazooka=E2=99s. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT- > VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G > I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but his wife > should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his > ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby on its > ear! > https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969- > MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hash > item1c9945116b:g:l6EAAOSwfVhaAI2n > Although some are still priced STOOOPID! > https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK- > CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hash > item1c97281a68:g:mZQAAOSwovNZ~9d9 > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC- > Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Joel > Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM > *To:* glenncodere@yahoo.com > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development > in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, > Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in > his desire to sell cards. > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of > your exchanges!! =89 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing > wrote: > That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I > really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. > On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: > Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I > was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and > just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him > saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up > backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $ When > the cards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be > anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me > apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other > items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I > offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and > a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was > one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I > would not bet on it. > Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 17:31:19 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pre-War Waivers From: Anson Whaley All have been claimed - thank you. On Sun, Dec 3, 2017 at 4:18 PM, ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Greetings all - haven't done any pre-war waivers in a while but here are a > few if anyone needs/wants any. All available, FCFS. Please include your > address. > - Larry French (Cubs) 1930s Diamond Matchbook Cover > - 1939 Bolivarian Games Canceled Stamps Set of Ten - includes early > basketball, boxing, tennis, etc. > - Glen Burn Baseball Coal Trade Card - picked up two more of these and > have two available > - Ken Williams 1921 Exhibit > - T51 Murads Juniata, Adelphia, and Lawrence (all trimmed) > - T218 Mecca Daniels (Swimmer) > "Cap" Anson ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 18:14:49 -0500 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] a little milestone data From: Jake Brewer Sweet chart man, I love seeing things like this. So cool! I can only hope to be somewhere close to that in ten years. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 4, 2017, at 2:44 PM, 'Matt Yudt' mryudt@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Just added a bunch of topps run hits over the weekend and added a data point to the chart below. I=E2=99m now under 800 left (inc all but one 52hi#). When I joined OBC in Feb 2011 I needed over 7000. > OBC Forever! > Matt > ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:41:14 -0500 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Thomas W. Billing" Interesting about the bogus name. =E2=9CAlison=E2=9D that I mentioned as having sent me some of the poison pen emails last name is HOPKINS. I guess John Smith was taken. I mentioned before that he had been charged with felonious assault a few years back for pulling a knife on some guy who, I guess, was a deadbeat tenant of his. What a sweetheart (AND the women inhis life). Avoiding his table is a safe bet at any show. I was not kidding about thinking the package he sent may have anthrax in it. Tom Billing > On Dec 4, 2017, at 5:30 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The name thing does not surprise me. When he was forced to give his full name over on Net54, he initially said it was Matthew Hopkins and that he was from Vegas. It was then changed to Matthew Zimmerman/MA after he was outed. > I don't believe I've purchased anything from him. I made him an offer once and while he didn't insult my offer, his counter was significantly more than I would pay. Someone once asked him about one of his outlandish prices - maybe even on the now infamous Wagner stamp. His response was, in a nutshell, that he does things very deliberately for specific reasons and that heknew what he was doing, as if he was on some covert 007 mission. > I've not had a bad experience personally with him and if he had somethingI needed on eBay, I would probably make an offer. But his attitude over atNet54, his crazy pricing, the whole fake alias, and just generally strangebehavior tells me I probably won't be doing much business with him and that he's not a good fit here. I can understand guys being hyperaggressive over a computer but for the life of me don't know why someone would act like that if they're setting up at shows and dealing with people face to face. I have to imagine that the majority of the people at any given show that knowof his antics would avoid his table entirely. Seems like bad business. > Anson > On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 2:03 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > It probably should not matter, but they both are very deficient in the use of the English language. There are misspellings, incomplete sentences, wrong word usage, etc. That makes it tricky to see what they are trying to say. I know his wife signed her name =E2=9CLillie=E2=9D but I used to receive scathing emails from =E2=9CAlison=E2=9D as well as Matthew Zimmerman, who is toppsaholic. > Tom Billing >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 1:36 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth I didjust put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't heard back yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in the heading. >> Sent from my iPad >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>> Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G >> I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but hiswife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby onits >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAA= OSwfVhaAI2n >> Although some are still priced STOOOPID! >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQ= AAOSwovNZ~9d9 >> Sal Domino >>> OBC - 1992 >>> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >>> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM >>> To: glenncodere@yahoo.com >>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development >>> in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in his desire to sell cards. >>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> Sorry Tom.... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing >>> > wrote: >>> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net >>> > >>> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. Iwas called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from himsaying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $ When thecards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >>> Tom Billing ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 16:49:41 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 79 topps football From: Rick Had some time today after I bought the last two cards to finish the set to put them in order and make sure there were no gremlins. I noticed the card stock seemed different on about 5% of the cards. Most were very dark grey stock and the others were more like a cream/light grey stock the picture doesn't seem to show the difference like it does holding them. Has this been discussed before or have you guys noticed the same thing? Rick ================= Date: 05 Dec 2017 02:19:10 +0000 To: Subject: I just realized....... From: grains@shaw.ca ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 21:21:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... From: "Sal Domino" Welcome to the Veterans Committee! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:19 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... That I am now a 20-year veteran of OBC, officially 3 days ago. Gotta tell you guys, it has been quite a ride.........like many of you (I have heard this song before) I feel like I have gotten a lot more out of it than I put into it. In reality, if it HADN'T been for OBC, I likely would have packed in collecting many years ago. The group keeps me feeling young, and I am not. So to cut the story short, thanks for a great 20 years to all present, and all who went before. ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 21:32:03 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 53T Yogi Berra For Trade From: Cade D Would anyone be interested in trading for a 53T Yogi Berra in Good condition? I=E2=99m preferably looking for more 53T or 55T commons in G/VG condition. Card has minor crease at top center. Minor surface wear around the neck andsome black ink spotting around the name box and slightly rounded corners. See pictures below. ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:49:14 -0700 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... From: Marshall West Hey Methuselah! I=E2=99m in it 21 years, and enjoyed the entire ride. However, I don=E2=99t think I could run a 50-yard dash anymore=E2=A6 Marshall West > On Dec 4, 2017, at 7:21 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Welcome to the Veterans Committee! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:19 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... > That I am now a 20-year veteran of OBC, officially 3 days ago. Gotta tellyou guys, it has been quite a ride.........like many of you (I have heard this song before) I feel like I have gotten a lot more out of it than I putinto it. In reality, if it HADN'T been for OBC, I likely would have packedin collecting many years ago. The group keeps me feeling young, and I am not. > So to cut the story short, thanks for a great 20 years to all present, and all who went before. > Grant ================= Date: 05 Dec 2017 03:05:11 +0000 To: Subject: Mike Galbreath From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 23:17:37 -0500 To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... From: Joshua Levine -----Original Message----- From: grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Dec 4, 2017 6:19 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... That I am now a 20-year veteran of OBC, officially 3 days ago. Gotta tell you guys, it has been quite a ride.........like many of you (I have heard this song before) I feel like I have gotten a lot more out of it than I put into it. In reality, if it HADN'T been for OBC, I likely would have packed in collecting many years ago. The group keeps me feeling young, and I am not. So to cut the story short, thanks for a great 20 years to all present, and all who went before. ================= Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 04:09:45 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... From: Ken M    I don't know what the conversion rate is, but that's gotta be like 50 Canadian years... Seems like you've been bothering us for that long anyway :-)  One of these days I'm gonna sit down and try to figure out approximately how many cards I've added to the collection since I joined up and/or how many came in the mail over the years. At least it'll be a fun excuse to leaf through all the binders. It'll take me quite a while to do that though. Not because of the number of binders, but because I'll have to stop and type out a ramble inspired by a card I come across or some other cardboard memory. Hmm. That could take years :-) I think I'd better hold off on that for now. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Marshall West marshall@marshallwest.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Dec 4, 2017 9:49 PMTo: Sal Domino;Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized....... Hey Methuselah!  I’m in it 21 years, and enjoyed the entire ride. However, I don’t think I could run a 50-yard dash anymore… Marshall West On Dec 4, 2017, at 7:21 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Welcome to the Veterans Committee! Sal DominoOBC - 1992https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 9:19 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I just realized.......   That I am now a 20-year veteran of OBC, officially 3 days ago. Gotta tell you guys, it has been quite a ride.........like many of you (I have heard this song before) I feel like I have gotten a lot more out of it than I put into it. In reality, if it HADN'T been for OBC, I likely would have packed in collecting many years ago. The group keeps me feeling young, and I am not. So to cut the story short, thanks for a great 20 years to all present, and all who went before. Grant ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 14:36:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 79 topps football [1 Attachment] From: Taylor Schock I've noticed this as well for the '79 FB. And noticed them in about the same ratio as you. That appears to be the only difference, and is probably ONLY a change in card stock. Card stock differences can be seen through quite a bit of Topps issues (many, most?), but for some reason people (historically) consider some white/grey differences as collectible 'variations' while ignoring From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 7:49 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 79 topps football [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Rick included below] Had some time today after I bought the last two cards to finish the set to put them in order and make sure there were no gremlins. I noticed the card stock seemed different on about 5% of the cards. Most were very dark grey stock and the others were more like a cream/light grey stock the picture doesn't seem to show the difference like it does holding them. Has this been discussed before or have you guys noticed the same thing? Rick ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 15:55:55 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Xmas Reminder From: Bob Donaldson Reminder for everyone that Christmas is 20 days away so make sure you get your gift in the mail soon. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 21:00:34 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: New member From: "carlwoodrome@yahoo.com" My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book that I would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card is a good card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 13:20:00 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: Rick Follow up I offered what I thought was a fair offer on a card listed for $699.30 and the first offer was declined. I offered the same amount and he countered at $699.00. So I guess he doesn't need to sell things yet. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Rick wrote: > With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth. I didjust put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't heard back yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in the heading. > Sent from my iPad >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G >> I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but his wife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby on its >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAAO= >> Although some are still priced STOOOPID! >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQA= >> Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM >> To: glenncodere@yahoo.com >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development >> in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfactionin his desire to sell cards. >> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out of your exchanges!! =89 >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing >> wrote: >> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> wrote: >> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. I was called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from him saying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $. When thecards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >> Tom Billing ================= To: , Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 13:21:17 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: "Grant Rainsley" Do up your seat belt and get ready for a ride! Welcome=E2=A6.. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: December 5, 2017 1:01 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New member My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book thatI would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card is agood card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:42 -0500 To: "carlwoodrome@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: Jake Brewer Welcome to the group Carl! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2017, at 4:00 PM, 'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book that I would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card isa good card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= To: Grant Rainsley , carlwoodrome@yahoo.com, Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:32:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: ED SCHOTT Buckle Up On 12/5/2017 4:21 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Do up your seat belt and get ready for a ride! Welcome….. > Grant > *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of > *'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* December 5, 2017 1:01 PM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] New member > My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good > friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I > wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no > cards in my book that I would throw away.i don't care of the condition > of the card any card is a good card. I am looking to complete a run of > Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they > are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have > a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I > lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys > . thanks carl > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:02:17 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: Yahoo Make sure the seatbelt is on tight it=E2=99s going to be a fun ride!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2017, at 16:21, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] > Do up your seat belt and get ready for a ride! Welcome=E2=A6.. > Grant > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: December 5, 2017 1:01 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New member > My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book that I would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card isa good card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > Virus-free. www.avg.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:34:27 -0500 To: "carlwoodrome@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: Steve Welcome to the group, they are a great bunch of guys. Their generosity and good will is second to none. Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Dec 5, 2017, at 4:00 PM, 'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book that I would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card isa good card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:33:55 -0500 To: "carlwoodrome@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: ShoelessWes Get ready. Wes Shepard > On Dec 5, 2017, at 4:00 PM, 'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book that I would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card isa good card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 19:41:09 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development From: "Thomas W. Billing" When he does want some money, he will contact you out of the blue as he didme. Strange character indeed Tom Billing > On Dec 5, 2017, at 4:20 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Follow up I offered what I thought was a fair offer on a card listed for $699.30 and the first offer was declined. I offered the same amount and he countered at $699.00. So I guess he doesn't need to sell things yet. Rick > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:36 AM, Rick > >> With my dealings with them she seems to be cut from the same cloth. I did just put in a reasonable offer on an unreasonable asking price haven't heard back yet. Tampa bay has been doing it for quite awhile now and those seem to go for way more than I think so people are responding to that in the heading. >> Sent from my iPad >> On Dec 4, 2017, at 10:21 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>> Did a little quick search and found besides Chandy and Tampabay cards, we have a fan in =E2=9Cfatauggie=E2=9D (Anyone know who that is?). I=E2=99ll be bidding on his bazooka=E2=99s. >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/60S-TOPPS-BASEBALL-700-CARD-LOT-VG-ATTN-OBCERS/202131392913?hashitem2f0ff84991:g:gCAAAOSwrhhaIL7G >> I don=E2=99t know, maybe topps is turning human. I doubt it, but hiswife should be up for sainthood for dealing with him if she is straightening his ass out. And look at us, we do have the ability to turn the hobby onits >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/CLEMENTE-PINBACK-VINTAGE-1969-MLBPA-PIN-PIRATES-ROBERTO-GRADED-PSA-6-EX-MT-OBC/122830524779?hashitem1c9945116b:g:l6EAA= OSwfVhaAI2n >> Although some are still priced STOOOPID! >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/HARMON-KILLEBREW-WRONG-BACK-CARD-1974-TOPPS-MISTAKE-RALPH-GARR-OBC-ERROR-570-400/122795072104?hashitem1c97281a68:g:mZQ= AAOSwovNZ~9d9 >> Sal Domino >>> OBC - 1992 >>> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >>> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com >>> Sent: Monday, December 04, 2017 12:13 PM >>> To: glenncodere@yahoo.com >>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Development >>> in a discussion with one of Toppsaholics customers. The customer told me, Topps, wanted to join OBC. I laughed, and expressed our dissatisfaction in his desire to sell cards. >>> On Mon, Dec 4, 2017 at 12:10 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> Sorry Tom..... I'm still laughing though! Glad you got something out ofyour exchanges!! =89 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:42, Thomas W. Billing >>> > wrote: >>> That was not really humor. After the acrimonious exchange with him, I really DID think anthrax when the package arrived. >>> On Dec 4, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >>> Ha!! Anthrax moof!!! =A4=A3=A4=A3=A4=A3 >>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >>> On Mon, 4 Dec 2017 at 16:29, twbilling@sbcglobal.net >>> > >>> Many of you were told about my ongoing war with toppsaholic on eBay. Iwas called a jerk for trying to offer a reasonable price on his stuff and just wrote him off as a bad seed. A few weeks back I got an email from himsaying he wanted to sell me that pair of 1954 Topps cards with messed up backs for the price I had offered. I took the bait and sent the $ When thecards arrived, they were in a heavy case and I heard it may be anthrax. Thankfully they were the cards so it was OK. His wife emailed me apologetically about his hot-headedness and asked me to bid on other items. If she asks again, I will decline as he may flip out again since I offer a reasonable price (remember his Honus Wagner stamp with million and a half price?). I think maybe he needed money from Christmas and this was one way to get it quickly. I hope he has decided to become human, but I would not bet on it. >>> Tom Billing ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 17:09:06 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings , Jerry Coker , Subject: So Cal fires From: Gary Beard If you've requested any of my recent waiver wire offerings...I'm going to need a few extra days to get stuff sent out. With the fire that is burning in the Ventura area, my power has been off more than it's been on, and we have quite a few friends who have lost there home or are temporarily Not sure how soon I can get these cards sent out, but I'll do my best to get them out asap. Please accept my apologies, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: 06 Dec 2017 01:38:11 +0000 To: Subject: December Waiver Wire (Technically November) From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 01:39:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New member From: Michael Dillon Welcome to the thunderdome, Woodrome. Just kidding. Enjoy the group, it isfun! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'carlwoodrome@yahoo.com' carlwoodrome@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 4:00 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New member My name is Carl woodrome I joined OBC in November this year.my good friend Aaron Shirley told me about this group of guys at OBC and I wanted to be part of this group.i love to collect cards there are no cards in my book thatI would throw away.i don't care of the condition of the card any card is agood card. I am looking to complete a run of Topps cards from 1953- 1979. I have a lot of 58-61 Topps cards they are the only sets I have posted right now for want lists. I don't have a lot of cards for 53-57, or 62- 79 posted yet cause I still need I lot of them.looking forward to being a part of this fine group of guys . thanks carl Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2017 21:44:15 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Flash Hack From: Ken M Hi all,   The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project. Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as a complete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to complete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through.   Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged me in (with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted to purchase one of the partial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not in a good place financially. He has been on the inactive list for a long time and is likely to remai n there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now.   I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hack project. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at some point and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have already sent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You can PPFF me at this address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else in?  Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subscribed to that one (or ramblings). Thank s everyone, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 22:20:57 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Yahoo I think I have a bunch of 75 extras. We need the want list. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 5, 2017, at 21:44, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi all, > The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project. Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as a complete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to complete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through. > Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged me in(with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted t o purchase one of the partial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not in a good place financially. He has been on the inactive list for a long time and is likely to remain there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now. > I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hack project. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at some point and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have already sent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You can PPFF me at this address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else in? > Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subscribed to that one (or ramblings). Thanks everyone, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 03:23:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: richard dingman Yes, Kent didn't need all that I have so I may be able to contribute also. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 10:20 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack I think I have a bunch of 75 extras. We need the want list. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Dec 5, 2017, at 21:44, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi all, The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project. Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as a complete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to complete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through. Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged me in (with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted t o purchase one of thepartial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not in a good place financially. He has been on the inactive list for a long time and is likely to remain there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now. I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hack project. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at somepoint and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have alreadysent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You can PPFF me atthis address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subscribed to that one (or ramblings). Thanks everyone, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Ken M Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 03:33:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Aaron Shirley Ken and others Sounds fun. I will try to get it typed out tomorrow after work. Are we sure he's not subscribed to Ramblings or Wantlist? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:44 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Hi all, The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project. Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as a complete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to complete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through. Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged me in (with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted t o purchase one of thepartial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not in a good place financially. He has been on the inactive list for a long time and is likely to remain there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now. I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hack project. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at somepoint and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have alreadysent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You can PPFF me atthis address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subscribed to that one (or ramblings). Thanks everyone, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:31:04 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1962 Topps Venezuelan 3rd Series Checklist (Dist. in Venezuela) TOUGH CARD From: Rick A third series checklist finally came up for sell and it went for $260 View item: 1962 Topps Venezuelan 3rd Series Checklist (Dist. in Venezuela) TOUGH CARD End Time: Dec 5, 2017, 6:02:01 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 23:31:57 -0500 To: garybeardbbcards@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] So Cal fires From: mikesportsfan@aol.com May you and your friends be safe. Cards should take a backseat while this emergency plays out. We hope all of your homes are safe. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Gary Beard garybeardbbcards@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC - Ramlings ; Jerry Coker ; yudts5 ; shawnsmart ; Dan Angland ; carlwoodrome ; Randy Griffin ; Greg Henthorn ; Thomas Elliott ; Joel Freedman ; Jake Brewer Sent: Tue, Dec 5, 2017 8:09 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] So Cal fires If you've requested any of my recent waiver wire offerings...I'm going to need a few extra days to get stuff sent out. With the fire that is burning in the Ventura area, my power has been off more than it's been on, and we have quite a few friends who have lost there home or are temporarily displaced. Not sure how soon I can get these cards sent out, but I'll do my best to get them out asap. Please accept my apologies, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Tue, 5 Dec 2017 21:31:02 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New set From: Rick I know I have to much time on my hands but this is another new Venezuelan set I picked up from one of my contacts. Its from 1972/73 they were in sports grafico magazines "sports illustrated equivalent" an album sheet and player sheet in each weeks issue. These are like the newspaper inserts Dayton daily news and other issues like that. They are not in the SCD book so I can't find any info there and with my limited ability to research them I can'tfind any info on them. The first and third pictures I got off eBay as their original form then cut them up and glue on. Middle picture is mine glued in their slots I have most of the "cards" so Iguess I need to ask George if these count=83. I believe there are252 in the set I have 210 of them. That's what is new on the Venezuelan front so I won't bore you any longer, till the next time. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:53:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Aaron Shirley Okay, here it is. Follow Ken's instructions, because he's the one with the pointy 1975 TOPPS: 1 4 5 8 10 17 18 20 22 23 33 41 47 51 57 59 61 63 68 70 80 108 113 117 118 128 130 157 160 183 195 196 200 203 204 205 207 213 220 223 225228 251 255 257 307 312 320 331 338 361 369 382 386 429 436 441 451 453 460 477 484 485 494 500 507 517 518 520 523 528 529 531 536 544 550 554 555 559 561 581 602 604 615 617 623 637. Missing 87 cards. Yes, that's right, this near set was actually 573 cards. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:33 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Ken and others Sounds fun. I will try to get it typed out tomorrow after work. Are we sure he's not subscribed to Ramblings or Wantlist? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:44 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Hi all, The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project. Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as a complete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to complete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through. Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged me in (with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted t o purchase one of thepartial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not in a good place financially. He has been on the inactive list for a long time and is likely to remain there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now. I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hack project. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at somepoint and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have alreadysent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You can PPFF me atthis address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subscribed to that one (or ramblings). Thanks everyone, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 07:54:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 06:04:30 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Donruss December has arrived (a week late) From: Joel Freedman For all of those that like to participate in combing wantlist, Non sport November has ended and we are onto Donruss December. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YR2JG-KhQMmOGNSNdI2VK3p1RmBfCBSSPNa2O8hrh8w/edit?uspsharing Please help celebrate the holiday season by sharing Donruss brand cards! Aaron and I have began the population, please add on! Joel Freedman OBC - 2004 ================= Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 07:25:10 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Ken M Dammit! I was hoping that didn't happen. We may still have a couple options if you guys want...1) Have an unforseen delay come up in mailing Walker's set. Try to complete the set as planned and send it along with a refund. This might not result in Walker getting a complete set - and the full set would have to be 'relisted'.2) Have Aaron 'pass the hat' around and we could all chip in to buy Walker's set for him. This wouldn't be nearly as much fun, but would probably get a better end result for Walker than my plan anyway.3) We could come up with a new "victim", who would obviously not be very surprised - unless we had multiple candidates and did some kind of drawing just prior to sending.4) Any other ideas? Should we scrap the plan? Aaron could then mail my near set to me and I'll post it on my wantlist and finish it at some point :::yawn::: and then decide what to do with it down the road. Ken M Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley Date: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 2:54 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Ken M;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Walker just bought set 8. Ideas? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:53 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  Okay, here it is. Follow Ken's instructions, because he's the one with the pointy hat.1975 TOPPS: 1 4 5 8 10 17 18 20 22 23 33 41 47 51 57 59 61 63 68 70 80 108 113 117 118 128 130 157 160 183 195 196 200 203 204 205 207 213 220 223 225 228 251 255 257 307 312 320 331 338 361 369 382 386 429 436 441 451 453 460 477 484 485 494 500 507 517 518 520 523 528 529 531 536 544 550 554 555 559 561 581 602 604 615 617 623 637. Missing 87 cards.Yes, that's right, this near set was actually 573 cards. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirleyuthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:33 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack  Ken and othersSounds fun. I will try to get it typed out tomorrow after work.Are we sure he's not subscribed to Ramblings or Wantlist?Aaron From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken Mcardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:44 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack  Hi all,   The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project. Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as a complete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to complete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through.   Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged me in (with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted t o purchase one of the partial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not in a good place financially. He has been on the inactive lis t for a long time and is likely to remain there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now.   I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hack project. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at some point and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have already sent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You can PPFF me at this address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else in?  Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subs cribed to that one (or ramblings). Thanks everyone, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 07:40:48 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: JDahms ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 13:40:39 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Glenn Codere I'm happy to chip in to help pay for Walker's set. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 12:25:29 PM GMT, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Dammit! I was hoping that didn't happen. We may still have a couple optionsif you guys want... 1) Have an unforseen delay come up in mailing Walker's set. Try to completethe set as planned and send it along with a refund. This might not result in Walker getting a complete set - and the full set would have to be 'relisted'. 2) Have Aaron 'pass the hat' around and we could all chip in to buy Walker's set for him. This wouldn't be nearly as much fun, but would probably get a better end result for Walker than my plan anyway. 3) We could come up with a new "victim", who would obviously not be very surprised unless we had multiple candidates and did some kind of drawing just prior to 4) Any other ideas? Should we scrap the plan? Aaron could then mail my nearset to me and I'll post it on my wantlist and finish it at some point :::yawn::: and then decide what to do with it down the road. Ken M Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: Aaron Shirley Date: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 2:54 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Cc: Ken M; Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Walker just bought set 8. Ideas? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:53 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Okay, here it is. Follow Ken's instructions, because he's the one with the pointy 1975 TOPPS: 1 4 5 8 10 17 18 20 22 23 33 41 47 51 57 59 61 63 68 70 80 108 113 117 118 128 130 157 160 183 195 196 200 203 204 205 207 213 220 223 225228 251 255 257 307 312 320 331 338 361 369 382 386 429 436 441 451 453 460 477 484 485 494 500 507 517 518 520 523 528 529 531 536 544 550 554 555 559 561 581 602 604 615 617 623 637. Missing 87 cards. Yes, that's right, this nearset was actually 573 cards. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.co m on behalf of Aaron Shirleyuthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:33 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Ken and others Sounds fun. I will tr y to get it typed out tomorrow after work. Are we sure he's not subscribed to Ramblings or Wantlist? From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken Mcardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:44 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Hi all, The title is a spin off of flash mob, flash flood or Flashdance(?). I recently purchased the near set of 1975 Topps from Aaron's project.Why? I probably have two or three complete sets in my closet (as well as acomplete and partial mini set I'm curently working on). I have no good reason actually, other than I have an extra Brett RC that I had probably bought originally for the 9 set project, but it was completed before I had a chance to send. My intention was to post the want list and try to compl ete the set. After that, I was going to... I really didn't think this through. Then I got notifications on Facebook from the thread Aaron tagged mein (with about 100 others). Seems Walker Guthrie wanted t o purchase one of the partial sets, since apparently he hasn't completed ONE yet. I then realized my mission and where I could use your help. Walker Guthrie is not ina good place financially. He has been on the inactive list for a long timeand is likely to remain there because of this. It is not in his best interests to be buying ANY cards right now. I want to send my partial set to Walker as part of a Stan Hackproject. If this goes as planned, Walker will get most of the 1975 set from everywhere on Tues. 12/26. I'm hoping Aaron can post a list of what remains at some point and we can all take shots at it. Since a lot of you may have alre ady sent out most/all of your 1975 dupes when Kent Goto was managing the project, I don't really expect to COMPLETE the set, but I'd like to see how close we can get in three weeks. Even if you don't have any more 1975's, there is still a way to help. Since I've put up $66 for the near set, I will accept cash donations of (NOT MORE THAN!!) one or two bucks. You canPPFF me at this address or kenmorganti@aol.com Anyone else in? Aaron, when you get a chance, can you post a 1975 Topps list for Stan Hack on the wantlist server? I don't think Walker is subscribed to that one (or ramblings). Thanks everyone, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: 06 Dec 2017 17:44:38 +0000 To: Subject: Please help explain this logic From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 13:09:29 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: "Thomas W. Billing" There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actual card price. I always look for =E2=9Cfast and free=E2=9D on eBay items, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I once overheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her theyneed to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining about it. Go figure. Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the logic. > This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage is preventing me from purchasing the card. > Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 18:17:39 +0000 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: Matthew Glidden To add to those, postage also doesn't count toward sales fees owed to eBay and refund price to buyers. If there's any *benefit* of shipping costs for bidders, it's that moderate-cost items with $5-6 postage often cuts down on competing bidders, so you might win a $25 item for $30 total that would've gone for $40 with free shipping. On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 1:09 PM 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting > enough on the actual card price. I always look for =E2=9Cfast and free=E2=9D on eBay > items, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback > with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I > once overheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout > people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her they need > to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining > about it. Go figure. > Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just > refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then > went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. > So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in > between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to > understand the logic. > This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are > reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage > is preventing me from purchasing the card. > Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:25:47 -0800 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: Rick I go around with this all the time with sellers. Few examples the card I offered on with toppsoholic yesterday he just canceled the listing and relisted at over $1000 for over $300 increase. Tampa bay is a big Venezuelan seller and I consider him a good seller but he will list for xxx on auction andif it doesn't sell for that open bid he will list as buy it now for doublethe price with the offer option. I have had many conversations with him and say I don't understand it didn't sell at $20 why are you now asking $40? I offered $15 and he will counter at $30. I say why would I paid $30 when Icould of had it at $20 and me and the rest of the world passed/told you itwasnt worth $20. His and others contend that time always gets them the higher price. So It comes down to people wanting to turn over inventory for a profit or hold andsell less for hopefully a higher profit. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:44 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the logic. > This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage is preventing me from purchasing the card. > Mike Rich ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:29:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: Taylor Schock >>> It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actualcard Maybe, maybe not. Are you saying $2.85 shipping is unreasonable? If he is using a puffy, it's $3 now to ship. My guess is that he is probably using ebay postage, which gets a discount to $2.85 (or $2.75, not sure). BUT doing this he doesn't have to pay ebay the vig on shipping. Yes, ebay charges their same percent on SHIPPING costs as it does on the item SALE price if you don't purchase your postage through ebay. So someone who doesn't use ebay'spostage would actually have to charge close to $3.50 for shipping a $3.00,2 ounce puffy. That doesn't consider the cost of the puffy or anything else. That's why a lot of dealers allow for multiple cards (2-5) for the same price, and tier-up for additional cards. So if he is shipping in this method, it is NOT unreasonable and he is actually LOSING money on shipping. Assuming he doesn't ship in an envelope and slap a 49 cent stamp on it, which IS overcharging and misleading (IMO). So you would ding the guy for chargingHIS shipping cost? I just always look at the bottom line. I don't see ANY difference whether the guy charges $2 for a card and $3 for shipping, or $5 for a card and freeshipping. It's still $5 out of my pocket, AND he has to ship the card, right? To Mike's original point, regarding the crazy pricing changes on the card itself. If he has an ebay store, he can give 'across the board' discounts (such as 15%) or price changes, which is a lot easier and quicker than manually change the price on each item. This can show up as weird fluctuations like (possibly) in this case. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:09 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actual card price. I always look for =93fast and free=94 on eBayitems, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I onceoverheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her they need to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining about it. Go Tom Billing On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage ispreventing me from purchasing the card. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 10:36:10 -0800 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: Rick Shipping is a different issue on eBay sellers have to charge a puffy price for even a $1 card because of the abuse of buyers saying they didn't receive cards then eBay has to refund money because there was no tracking. Very few will use pwe anymore. eBay is basically requiring tracking to cover sellers. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2017, at 10:25 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I go around with this all the time with sellers. Few examples the card I offered on with toppsoholic yesterday he just canceled the listing and relisted at over $1000 for over $300 increase. Tampa bay is a big Venezuelan seller and I consider him a good seller but he will list for xxx on auction and if it doesn't sell for that open bid he will list as buy it now for double the price with the offer option. I have had many conversations with him and say I don't understand it didn't sell at $20 why are you now asking $40? > I offered $15 and he will counter at $30. I say why would I paid $30 whenI could of had it at $20 and me and the rest of the world passed/told you it wasnt worth $20. > His and others contend that time always gets them the higher price. So Itcomes down to people wanting to turn over inventory for a profit or hold and sell less for hopefully a higher profit. Rick > Sent from my iPad >> On Dec 6, 2017, at 9:44 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the logic. >> This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices arereasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postageis preventing me from purchasing the card. >> Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:57:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: Taylor Schock On a similar note regarding Amazon. Try being an individual seller there. You will need to charge $2+ per INDIVIDUALLY SHIPPED items JUST to break even. At $2.63 (media) for the cheapest shipping, and the Amazon vig, their shipping credit already puts you in the hole for anything you might make fromthat $2 sale. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:29 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; Thomas W. Billing Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic >>> It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actualcard Maybe, maybe not. Are you saying $2.85 shipping is unreasonable? If he is using a puffy, it's $3 now to ship. My guess is that he is probably using ebay postage, which gets a discount to $2.85 (or $2.75, not sure). BUT doing this he doesn't have to pay ebay the vig on shipping. Yes, ebay charges their same percent on SHIPPING costs as it does on the item SALE price if you don't purchase your postage through ebay. So someone who doesn't use ebay'spostage would actually have to charge close to $3.50 for shipping a $3.00,2 ounce puffy. That doesn't consider the cost of the puffy or anything else. That's why a lot of dealers allow for multiple cards (2-5) for the same price, and tier-up for additional cards. So if he is shipping in this method, it is NOT unreasonable and he is actually LOSING money on shipping. Assuming he doesn't ship in an envelope and slap a 49 cent stamp on it, which IS overcharging and misleading (IMO). So you would ding the guy for chargingHIS shipping cost? I just always look at the bottom line. I don't see ANY difference whether the guy charges $2 for a card and $3 for shipping, or $5 for a card and freeshipping. It's still $5 out of my pocket, AND he has to ship the card, right? To Mike's original point, regarding the crazy pricing changes on the card itself. If he has an ebay store, he can give 'across the board' discounts (such as 15%) or price changes, which is a lot easier and quicker than manually change the price on each item. This can show up as weird fluctuations like (possibly) in this case. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:09 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actual card price. I always look for =93fast and free=94 on eBayitems, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I onceoverheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her they need to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining about it. Go Tom Billing On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage ispreventing me from purchasing the card. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 14:43:10 -0500 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: mikesportsfan@aol.com My original question was as to the change of the base price, not the postage. I think Taylor explained the pricing issue well below. As to the postage issue, I was not complaining about how much they were charging for postage. As has been noted, this seller will combine shipping. I do not think theyare gouging on the pricing of postage at all. I just set how much I am willing to spend for certain cards. Because I am not interested in anything else they currently offer, I cannot spread the cost of the postage out overmultiple items. So I feel the cost of this item, factoring in the postageis more than I am willing to spend on it. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic On a similar note regarding Amazon. Try being an individual seller there. You will need to charge $2+ per INDIVIDUALLY SHIPPED items JUST to break even. At $2.63 (media) for the cheapest shipping, and the Amazon vig, their shipping credit already puts you in the hole for anything you might make fromthat $2 sale. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:29 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; Thomas W. Billing Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic >>> It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actualcard Maybe, maybe not. Are you saying $2.85 shipping is unreasonable? If he is using a puffy, it's $3 now to ship. My guess is that he is probably using ebay postage, which gets a discount to $2.85 (or $2.75, not sure). BUT doing this he doesn't have to pay ebay the vig on shipping. Yes, ebay charges their same percent on SHIPPING costs as it does on the item SALE price if you don't purchase your postage through ebay. So someone who doesn't use ebay'spostage would actually have to charge close to $3.50 for shipping a $3.00,2 ounce puffy. That doesn't consider the cost of the puffy or anything else. That's why a lot of dealers allow for multiple cards (2-5) for the same price, and tier-up for additional cards. So if he is shipping in this method, it is NOT unreasonable and he is actually LOSING money on shipping. Assuming he doesn't ship in an envelope and slap a 49 cent stamp on it, which IS overcharging and misleading (IMO). So you would ding the guy for chargingHIS shipping cost? I just always look at the bottom line. I don't see ANY difference whether the guy charges $2 for a card and $3 for shipping, or $5 for a card and freeshipping. It's still $5 out of my pocket, AND he has to ship the card, right? To Mike's original point, regarding the crazy pricing changes on the card itself. If he has an ebay store, he can give 'across the board' discounts (such as 15%) or price changes, which is a lot easier and quicker than manually change the price on each item. This can show up as weird fluctuations like (possibly) in this case. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:09 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actual card price. I always look for =E2=9Cfast and free=E2=9D on eBay items, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I once overheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her theyneed to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining about it. Go figure. Tom Billing On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage ispreventing me from purchasing the card. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:18:16 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net I always have to take the postage into account when totaling the sales price. It would be a rare occasion when I would pay more than I think is appropriate--and principal does come into play. Card rarity should also come into I still have a search of about 20 different items/sets that I routinely check on--imagine this, most of them are oddball regional sets. I have a muchbetter chance of occasionally finding them on ebay than elsewhere. But if any of you have Tresler Comets, Lake to Lake Packers, a 1950 Drake Cookies Dick Sisler or short print Salada football coins, by all means let me know.LOL On a different note--the last Wauction item shipped today (sorry John Stamper)--otherwise all winnings should be delivered. I also finished off the 1969 OPC set today with Lou Brock arriving courtesyof Mantlerulz on ebay. I was able to find inexpensive Bench and Rose cards who along with Brock were the last three cards needed to complete the set. Now I suppose I should look for gremlins. Peter Mead -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: taylor_schock Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 2:43 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic My original question was as to the change of the base price, not the postage. I think Taylor explained the pricing issue well below. As to the postage issue, I was not complaining about how much they were charging for postage. As has been noted, this seller will combine shipping. I do not think theyare gouging on the pricing of postage at all. I just set how much I am willing to spend for certain cards. Because I am not interested in anything else they currently offer, I cannot spread the cost of the postage out overmultiple items. So I feel the cost of this item, factoring in the postageis more than I am willing to spend on it. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 1:57 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic On a similar note regarding Amazon. Try being an individual seller there. You will need to charge $2+ per INDIVIDUALLY SHIPPED items JUST to break even. At $2.63 (media) for the cheapest shipping, and the Amazon vig, their shipping credit already puts you in the hole for anything you might make fromthat $2 sale. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:29 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; Thomas W. Billing Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic >>> It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actualcard Maybe, maybe not. Are you saying $2.85 shipping is unreasonable? If he is using a puffy, it's $3 now to ship. My guess is that he is probably using ebay postage, which gets a discount to $2.85 (or $2.75, not sure). BUT doing this he doesn't have to pay ebay the vig on shipping. Yes, ebay charges their same percent on SHIPPING costs as it does on the item SALE price if you don't purchase your postage through ebay. So someone who doesn't use ebay'spostage would actually have to charge close to $3.50 for shipping a $3.00,2 ounce puffy. That doesn't consider the cost of the puffy or anything else. That's why a lot of dealers allow for multiple cards (2-5) for the same price, and tier-up for additional cards. So if he is shipping in this method, it is NOT unreasonable and he is actually LOSING money on shipping. Assuming he doesn't ship in an envelope and slap a 49 cent stamp on it, which IS overcharging and misleading (IMO). So you would ding the guy for chargingHIS shipping cost? I just always look at the bottom line. I don't see ANY difference whether the guy charges $2 for a card and $3 for shipping, or $5 for a card and freeshipping. It's still $5 out of my pocket, AND he has to ship the card, right? To Mike's original point, regarding the crazy pricing changes on the card itself. If he has an ebay store, he can give 'across the board' discounts (such as 15%) or price changes, which is a lot easier and quicker than manually change the price on each item. This can show up as weird fluctuations like (possibly) in this case. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:09 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the actual card price. I always look for =E2=9Cfast and free=E2=9D on eBay items, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I once overheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her theyneed to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining about it. Go figure. Tom Billing On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to understand the This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage ispreventing me from purchasing the card. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 15:39:40 -0500 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic From: Joel Freedman More logic for today, If you don't look, you wont find any gremlins. On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 3:18 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I always have to take the postage into account when totaling the sales > price. It would be a rare occasion when I would pay more than I think is > appropriate--and principal does come into play. Card rarity should also > come into play. > I still have a search of about 20 different items/sets that I routinely > check on--imagine this, most of them are oddball regional sets. I have a > much better chance of occasionally finding them on ebay than elsewhere. But > if any of you have Tresler Comets, Lake to Lake Packers, a 1950 Drake > Cookies Dick Sisler or short print Salada football coins, by all means let > me know. LOL > On a different note--the last Wauction item shipped today (sorry John > Stamper)--otherwise all winnings should be delivered. > I also finished off the 1969 OPC set today with Lou Brock arriving > courtesy of Mantlerulz on ebay. I was able to find inexpensive Bench and > Rose cards who along with Brock were the last three cards needed to > complete the set. Now I suppose I should look for gremlins. > Peter Mead > -----Original Message----- > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > To: taylor_schock > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 2:43 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic > My original question was as to the change of the base price, not the > postage. > I think Taylor explained the pricing issue well below. As to the postage > issue, I was not complaining about how much they were charging for > postage. As has been noted, this seller will combine shipping. I do not > think they are gouging on the pricing of postage at all. I just set how > much I am willing to spend for certain cards. Because I am not interested > in anything else they currently offer, I cannot spread the cost of the > postage out over multiple items. So I feel the cost of this item, > factoring in the postage is more than I am willing to spend on it. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 1:57 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic > On a similar note regarding Amazon. Try being an individual seller there. > You will need to charge $2+ per INDIVIDUALLY SHIPPED items JUST to break > even. At $2.63 (media) for the cheapest shipping, and the Amazon vig, their > shipping credit already puts you in the hole for anything you might make > from that $2 sale. > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:29 PM > *To:* mikesportsfan@aol.com; Thomas W. Billing > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic > >>> It is just a money grab to make up for not getting enough on the > actual card price. > Maybe, maybe not. Are you saying $2.85 shipping is unreasonable? If he is > using a puffy, it's $3 now to ship. My guess is that he is probably using > ebay postage, which gets a discount to $2.85 (or $2.75, not sure). BUT > doing this he doesn't have to pay ebay the vig on shipping. Yes, ebay > charges their same percent on SHIPPING costs as it does on the item > SALE price if you don't purchase your postage through ebay. So someone who > doesn't use ebay's postage would actually have to charge close to $3.50 for > shipping a $3.00, 2 ounce puffy. That doesn't consider the cost of the > puffy or anything else. That's why a lot of dealers allow for multiple > cards (2-5) for the same price, and tier-up for additional cards. So if he > is shipping in this method, it is NOT unreasonable and he is actually > LOSING money on shipping. Assuming he doesn't ship in an envelope and slap > a 49 cent stamp on it, which IS overcharging and misleading (IMO). So you > would ding the guy for charging HIS shipping cost? > I just always look at the bottom line. I don't see ANY difference whether > the guy charges $2 for a card and $3 for shipping, or $5 for a card and > free shipping. It's still $5 out of my pocket, AND he has to ship the card, > right? > To Mike's original point, regarding the crazy pricing changes on the card > itself. If he has an ebay store, he can give 'across the board' discounts > (such as 15%) or price changes, which is a lot easier and quicker than > manually change the price on each item. This can show up as weird > fluctuations like (possibly) in this case. > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 6, 2017 1:09 PM > *To:* mikesportsfan@aol.com > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Please help explain this logic > There IS no logic. It is just a money grab to make up for not getting > enough on the actual card price. I always look for =E2=9Cfast and free=E2=9D on eBay > items, where at all possible. I also burn every seller on the feedback > with all good ratings but one star on shipping as being unreasonable. I > once overheard a loud mouthed female seller at a card show griping bout > people like me who complain about postage on items. I told her they need > to factor these into the prices and guys like me would stop complaining > about it. Go figure. > Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:44 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have been following an item on Ebay. The price is not the issue, I just > refuse to pay the additional postage. The card started at $2.50. It then > went on "sale" at 15% off for $2.12. It has just been re-listed at $2.25. > So when it hasn't sold at 2 price levels it is then relisted at an in > between price. The pennies make no difference, I am just trying to > understand the logic. > This is a highly reputable dealer, who has some great stuff. Prices are > reasonable, but since I only need the 1 card at present, the $2.85 postage > is preventing me from purchasing the card. > Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Dec 2017 18:21:40 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: test From: Raymond Luurs ================= Date: Wed, 06 Dec 2017 20:52:43 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack From: Ken M OK, I've thought about this a bit and decided we can do a bit of both #2 and #3 from my last message. Everyone can chip in to Aaron to help pay for Walker's set and/or defray the cost of my near set. I found four hits and will post the new list below. If you have any hits, email me and set them aside (or address an envelope from Stan Hack). I will divulge the name of the victim privately to anyone who has committed cards just prior to mailing (somewhere around the 20th). I will update as often as I can (hopefully with some frequency). Have at it! Ken M - 83 cards left!1975 TOPPS: 1 4 5 8 10 17 18 20 22 23 33 41 47 51 57 59 61 63 68 80 108 113 117 128 130 157 160 183 195 196 200 203 204 205 207 213 220 223 225 251 255 257 307 312 320 331 338 361 369 382 386 429 436 441 451 453 460 477 484 485 494 500 507 517 518 520 523 528 529 531 536 550 554 555 559 561 581 602 604 615 617 623 637 Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Glenn Codere Date: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 8:40 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Ken M;Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings];Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack I'm happy to chip in to help pay for Walker's set. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection WantList On Wednesday, December 6, 2017, 12:25:29 PM GMT, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote:   Dammit! I was hoping that didn't happen. We may still have a couple options if you guys want...1) Have an unforseen delay come up in mailing Walker's set. Try to complete the set as planned and send it along with a refund. This might not result in Walker getting a complete set - and the full set would have to be 'relisted'.2) Have Aaron 'pass the hat' around and we could all chip in to buy Walker's set for him. This wouldn't be nearly as much fun, but would probably get a better end result for Walker than my plan anyway.3) We could come up with a new "victim", who would obviously not be very surprised -  unless we had multiple candidates and did some kind of drawing just prior to sending.4) Any other ideas? Should we scrap the plan? Aaron could then mail my near set to me and I'll post it on my wantlist and finish it at some point :::yawn::: and then decide what to do with it down the road. Ken M Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley Date: Wed, Dec 6, 2017 2:54 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Ken M;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack Walker just bought set 8. Ideas? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 6, 2017, at 12:53 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  Okay, here it is. Follow Ken's instructions, because he's the one with the pointy hat.1975 TOPPS: 1 4 5 8 10 17 18 20 22 23 33 41 47 51 57 59 61 63 68 70 80 108 113 117 118 128 130 157 160 183 195 196 200 203 204 205 207 213 220 223 225 228 251 255 257 307 312 320 331 338 361 369 382 386 429 436 441 451 453 460 477 484 485 494 500 507 517 518 520 523 528 529 531 536 544 550 554 555 559 561 581 602 604 615 617 623 637. Missing 87 cards.Yes, that's right, this near set was actually 573 cards. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.co m on behalf of Aaron Shirleyuthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 9:33 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Flash Hack  Ken and othersSounds fun. I will tr y to get it typed out tomorrow after work.Are we sure he's not subscribed to Ramblings or Wantlist?Aaron From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken Mcardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2017 8:44 PM ================= Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 19:38:46 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Cheap T206s From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Anybody want to get started on their T206 set? Here's three OBC gems for $30 on N54: Net54baseball.com Forums Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 23:30:52 +0000 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: : Donruss December has arrived (a week late) From: Joel Freedman For all of those that like to participate in combing wantlist, Non sport November has ended and we are onto Donruss December. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1YR2JG-KhQMmOGNSNdI2VK3p1RmBfCBSSPNa2O8hrh8w/edit?usp=sharing Please help celebrate the holiday season by sharing Donruss brand cards! Aaron and I have began the population, please add on! Joel Freedman OBC - 2004 ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Ed Pike , Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:01:26 +0000 Subject: OBC CALIFORNIA From: Aaron Shirley Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder about our guys out west. So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and let us know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. Also, what's your favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 OBC is simply the best Aaron Shirley ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 13:07:27 -0500 Subject: OBC Map From: "Bob Donaldson" I forget how and when I made this (or if someone else did), but here is a map of OBCers (probably at least a few years old) https://www.mapcustomizer.com/map/OBCers ================= To: Bob Donaldson Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:22:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Map From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 12:01:48 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: Geordie Calvert Great idea, Aaron, and thank you for your concern for us Californians. The current wildfires are approximately 4 hours south of me, so there is nodirect effect on me at all. Geographically I live almost literally in the center of California. I am worried for our SoCal members, though. The fires in the wine country from a couple of months ago were about 2.5 hours from me, but we got a lot of the smoke from those fires in our valley. I remember one day in particular =E2=93 the smoke was so thick here thatit was almost as bad as our foggiest days that we experience sometimes. Not at all fun for those with breathing problems, but of course nothing compared to those poor people that lost homes and businesses. I have two favorite baseball teams: the Dodgers and whoever is playing the Giants! When I was a kid, I lived in northwest Oregon. As I was starting toget interested in baseball, we didn=E2=99t have the Mariners yet. The Saturday game of the week on NBC featured a lot of Yankees, Dodgers and Reds. Those were the strong teams of the mid 70s, of course. Even though we were all the way across the country, we kids instinctively knew that you could not be a Yankees fan - gross! That narrowed the list down to the Dodgers and Reds. One of my best friends was a kid named Eric Viukhola. He loved the Reds and Would. Not. Shut. Up. about the Reds in generaland Pete Rose in particular. I can=E2=99t understate how bad it was. Consequently, I hated the Reds long after I moved to California in 1980! The Dodgers. Man, what=E2=99s not to love about the Dodgers? As a middle-aged man, I still swell with pride that =E2=9Cmy=E2=9D team broke the color barrier. =E2=9CWe=E2=9D had perhaps the greatest lefty of alltime. We had one of the members of =E2=9CWiiiiilie, Mickey and the Duke=E2=9D. We had and still have Tommy. We had Fernandomania, and then Nomomania. We were the Bums (and then we really were bums when the team fled west). Eh. That=E2=99s enough. I love the Dodgers. Hate the Giants. Still hate the Yankees. Ambivalent about the Reds. Thanks again for checking in on us, Aaron. > On Dec 8, 2017, at 10:01 AM, Aaron Shirley wrote: > Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder about our guys out west. > So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and let us know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. Also, what'syour favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? > 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 > 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 > 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 > 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 > 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 > 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 > 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 > 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 > 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 > 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 > 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 > 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 > OBC is simply the best > Aaron Shirley ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Ed Pike , Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 22:00:32 +0000 Subject: Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: Aaron Shirley I used a couple of screencaps to build a map with the wildfires shown as well as our members in the area. Please pardon any inaccuracies. Would reallylove to hear from you all to know you're safe! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 12:01 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Ed Pike; MARK MACRAE; Geordie Calvert; Randy Welk; Joshua Levine; Peter Iversen; Gary Beard; John Stamper; Patrick Prickett; Sean Schuettpelz; Erik Greenwood; Kit Okamuro Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC CALIFORNIA Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder about our guys out west. So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and let us know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. Also, what's your favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 OBC is simply the best Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:20:10 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ehpiii@aol.com, Subject: Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: Joshua Levine Hey guys...the fires are wreaking havoc in my neck of the woods...the Rye Fire, a mid sized fire that has now burned approx. 8000 acres started withinthree miles of my wife's work and got as close as a mile from her, her office evacuated and it took her nearly an hour to get home from less than 15 miles away. Our home is over a high ridge line from the Creek Fire and not affected by that. The others are further away. We are currently safe. Thesefires start when the humidity here was at an all time low and the winds atan all time high for this time of year. Our fire season is really August through October but this year has seen a large increase in fire warnings andactual -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley To: OBC Ramblings ; Ed Pike ; MARK MACRAE ; Geordie Calvert ; Randy Welk ; Joshua Levine ; Peter Iversen ; Gary Beard ; John Stamper ; Patrick Prickett ; Sean Schuettpelz ; Erik Greenwood ; Kit Okamuro ; Aaron Shirley Sent: Fri, Dec 8, 2017 2:00 pm Subject: Re: OBC CALIFORNIA I used a couple of screencaps to build a map with the wildfires shown as well as our members in the area. Please pardon any inaccuracies. Would reallylove to hear from you all to know you're safe! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 12:01 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Ed Pike; MARK MACRAE; Geordie Calvert; Randy Welk; Joshua Levine; Peter Iversen; Gary Beard; John Stamper; Patrick Prickett; Sean Schuettpelz; Erik Greenwood; Kit Okamuro Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC CALIFORNIA Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder about our guys out west. So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and let us know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. Also, what's your favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 OBC is simply the best Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:39:09 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: recent facebook marketplace find From: Joshua Levine Meaning to write this for a few days but the fires and finally getting a new computer (after over a year since mine died). Six months ago I set an alert on facebook marketplace to let me know when baseball cards were listed. Spent the last six months looking at over priced '91 score and fake 52 mantles. In the last two months, I did have some luck. The first one was just up the road from me and she was selling her older brother's collection from when he was a kid in the late 60s and early 70s. I was the second to reply and managed to pick up about 25 low-mid range 1966-1970 topps at just over 25 cents a card including a 68 Santo and Gibson. The person before me took the bulk of the collection which was apparently much better condition and left the "scraps." I was happy with this purchase as I only had to drive less than five miles. Second alert happened a week ago. It was further away (about 30 minutes) inPasadena. He showed a bunch of 70 supers of baseball and football in the ad. I messaged asking what he had and his prices. He had bought a storage locker (really!) that was full of cards, comics, and memorabilia. He said he had a bunch of oddball cards, some stars, and some commons but none of themwere graded or in good condition. I asked if I could drive down and take alook. I got there and spent an hour talking baseball and looking at the stuff. For my time and effort he gave me a great deal (I gave him a price which he then took 25% off of!). So for my $125, I took home the following. 101970 Topps Super football, 12 1970 Topps Super baseball incl. a Rose, a '67 Aaron, '57 Topps Dodgers and Yanks team cards, '60 Topps Aparacio, Ashburn and 5 commons, 10 '56 Topps Football team cards, '59 Topps Maris and three team cards, 15 '68 Topps baseball commons, 1969 Topps Mantle checklist (checked), 8 '57 Topps commons incl. 1 mid series, '54 Redman Pierce with tab(just a spot of paperloss), '34 Diamond Stars Mickey Cochrane poor condition but no paper loss, AND 2 T206 cards incl. a McQuillan batting (phillie) and Myers. The two T206s were in g-vg shape and were not mentioned in the ad or on the phone. He had some nice newer cards and signed balls but I was not interested. Overall I was very happy... look for a waiver wire as soon as I get every sorted out. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 17:49:38 -0500 To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] recent facebook marketplace find From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Congrats on your find. I guess things are still found. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 8, 2017 5:39 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] recent facebook marketplace find Meaning to write this for a few days but the fires and finally getting a new computer (after over a year since mine died). Six months ago I set an alert on facebook marketplace to let me know when baseball cards were listed. Spent the last six months looking at over priced '91 score and fake 52 mantles. In the last two months, I did have some luck. The first one was just up the road from me and she was selling her older brother's collection from when he was a kid in the late 60s and early 70s. I was the second to reply and managed to pick up about 25 low-mid range 1966-1970 topps at just over 25 cents a card including a 68 Santo and Gibson. The person before me took the bulk of the collection which was apparently much better condition and left the "scraps." I was happy with this purchase as I only had to drive less than five miles. Second alert happened a week ago. It was further away (about 30 minutes) inPasadena. He showed a bunch of 70 supers of baseball and football in the ad. I messaged asking what he had and his prices. He had bought a storage locker (really!) that was full of cards, comics, and memorabilia. He said he had a bunch of oddball cards, some stars, and some commons but none of themwere graded or in good condition. I asked if I could drive down and take alook. I got there and spent an hour talking baseball and looking at the stuff. For my time and effort he gave me a great deal (I gave him a price which he then took 25% off of!). So for my $125, I took home the following. 101970 Topps Super football, 12 1970 Topps Super baseball incl. a Rose, a '67 Aaron, '57 Topps Dodgers and Yanks team cards, '60 Topps Aparacio, Ashburn and 5 commons, 10 '56 Topps Football team cards, '59 Topps Maris and three team cards, 15 '68 Topps baseball commons, 1969 Topps Mantle checklist (checked), 8 '57 Topps commons incl. 1 mid series, '54 Redman Pierce with tab (just a spot of paperloss), '34 Diamond Stars Mickey Cochrane poor condition but no paper loss, AND 2 T206 cards incl. a McQuillan batting (phillie)and Myers. The two T206s were in g-vg shape and were not mentioned in the ad or on the phone. He had some nice newer cards and signed balls but I wasnot interested. Overall I was very happy... look for a waiver wire as soon as I get every sorted out. ================= Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 01:11:30 +0000 (UTC) To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: mark_macrae@comcast.net Number 2 checking in here. I'm about 300 miles north of the closest large fire currently burning... Some of the smoke worked its way to Santa Cruz, about 60 miles south of here. The Wine Country fires back in October created three of the worst air quality days I've ever experienced in my life...Wishing all of the Southern Californians the best in getting through this disaster as well as the accompanying air quality...Thoughts and prayers go out... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Shirley" To: "OBC Ramblings" , "Ed Pike" , "MARK MACRAE" , "Geordie Calvert" , "Randy Welk" , "Joshua Levine" , "Peter Iversen" , "Gary Beard" , "John Stamper" , "Patrick Prickett" , "Sean Schuettpelz" , "Erik Greenwood" , "Kit Okamuro" Sent: Friday, December 8, 2017 10:01:26 AM Subject: OBC CALIFORNIA Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder about our guys out west. So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and let us know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. Also, what's your favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 OBC is simply the best Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:12:04 -0800 To: mark_macrae@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" All is well in my neck of the woods, just the smell of smoke. Been putting together a Stanage collage after a couple Andy Cook DS'. Enjoy Erik Greenwood On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:11 PM, mark_macrae@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Number 2 checking in here. I'm about 300 miles north of the closest large > fire currently burning... Some of the smoke worked its way to Santa Cruz, > about 60 miles south of here. The Wine Country fires back in October > created three of the worst air quality days I've ever experienced in my > life...Wishing all of the Southern Californians the best in getting through > this disaster as well as the accompanying air quality...Thoughts and > prayers go out... > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Aaron Shirley" > *To: *"OBC Ramblings" , "Ed Pike" < > ehpiii@aol.com>, "MARK MACRAE" , "Geordie > Calvert" , "Randy Welk" , "Joshua > Levine" , "Peter Iversen" , "Gary > Beard" , "John Stamper" < > holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com>, "Patrick Prickett" < > patrick_prickett@yahoo.com>, "Sean Schuettpelz" , > "Erik Greenwood" , "Kit Okamuro" < > biglittledogs@msn.com> > *Sent: *Friday, December 8, 2017 10:01:26 AM > *Subject: *OBC CALIFORNIA > Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently > asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder > about our guys out west. > So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate > 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and let us > know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. > Also, what's your favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? > 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 > 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 > 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 > 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 > 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 > 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 > 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 > 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 > 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 > 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 > 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 > 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 > OBC is simply the best > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 18:59:37 -0800 To: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: Peter Iversen Greetings to you all and thanks so much for your concern. Its great to be part of a group over 20 years that is always caring, understanding and generous. I count that among my greatest blessings... Denice and I are well in Northridge. This part of the valley gets alot of wind and in this case it blew much of ths smoke over to Van Nuys...where I work. I have gone home from work early a couple of days and worked from home (the joy of the computer age!) Our friends in Ventura County have had it much worse but all are well... still no where near the fires in the north of CA back at the beginning of the fall...and lets hope these don't try to outdo those... wind is calm today. Thankful for that but mostly for our firefighters. Bless them all and keep them safe... On Dec 8, 2017 6:12 PM, "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" > All is well in my neck of the woods, just the smell of smoke. Been putting > together a Stanage collage after a couple Andy Cook DS'. Enjoy > Erik Greenwood > =E2=8B > On Fri, Dec 8, 2017 at 5:11 PM, mark_macrae@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Number 2 checking in here. I'm about 300 miles north of the closest large >> fire currently burning... Some of the smoke worked its way to Santa Cruz, >> about 60 miles south of here. The Wine Country fires back in October >> created three of the worst air quality days I've ever experienced in my >> life...Wishing all of the Southern Californians the best in getting through >> this disaster as well as the accompanying air quality...Thoughts and >> prayers go out... >> ------------------------------ >> *From: *"Aaron Shirley" >> *To: *"OBC Ramblings" , "Ed Pike" < >> ehpiii@aol.com>, "MARK MACRAE" , "Geordie >> Calvert" , "Randy Welk" , >> "Joshua Levine" , "Peter Iversen" , >> "Gary Beard" , "John Stamper" < >> holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com>, "Patrick Prickett" < >> patrick_prickett@yahoo.com>, "Sean Schuettpelz" < >> schuettpelzse@hotmail.com>, "Erik Greenwood" , >> "Kit Okamuro" >> *Sent: *Friday, December 8, 2017 10:01:26 AM >> *Subject: *OBC CALIFORNIA >> Two things coming together made me think of doing this. Someone recently >> asked about an 'OBC MAP.' Then the recent wildfires in CA made me wonder >> about our guys out west. >> So here is OBC CALIFORNIA. Names are listed in an approximate >> 'north-to-south' formation. Would love to have you guys check in and letus >> know if the wildfires have affected you / your area, and if you're okay. >> Also, what's your favorite team? Are you all California Baseball guys? >> 1. Ed Pike - San Francisco 94131 >> 2. Mark Macrae - Castro Valley 94546 >> 3. Geordie Calvert - Atwater 95301 >> 4. Randy Welk - Fresno 93737 >> 5. Kit Okamuro - Barstow 92311 >> 6. Josh Levine - Canyon Country 91351 >> 7. Peter Iversen - Northridge 91325 >> 8. Gary Beard - Oxnard 93030 >> 9. John Stamper - Oak Park 91377 >> 10. Patrick Prickett - Los Angeles 90068 >> 11. Sean Schuettpelz - Los Angeles 90029 >> 12. Erik Greenwood - Chino Hills 91709 >> OBC is simply the best >> Aaron Shirley ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:29:01 -0800 Subject: Re: OBC CALIFORNIA From: "George Vrechek" I'm about 30 miles away in Redondo Beach and can smell the smoke sometimes even though it is not very close. The haze extends out to sea running across Santa Monica Bay. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 02:17:04 -0500 Subject: Kelloggs From: "Sal Domino" Does anyone have a nice pre-made master want list of Kellogg's cards with the variations? Almost time to put a page up for those and I really don't want to type them all from Tradingcarddb. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 07:37:36 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs From: Ken M Sal,  I have a list for just the '71's on my webpage (last tab). That's probably half of the entire list. I don't think any other set has more than a few, except 1979, which is also the entire set. If you have no interest/desire to collect these, you may discontinue reading this note at this point.  The variations in 1979 regard the position of the copyright symbol on the back (either in Tony's scarf or in the corner of his box). My theory is that the cards from the cereal boxes have the copyright in the scarf (and all the listed and harder to find stat variations). The cards from the factory sets, which make up a huge portion of what's out there have the copyright in the corner. There's ALSO team logo variations with/without trademarks, but only for certain teams. I haven't gotten into this set in as much depth as the 1971's though. I may at some point put up a list for those too, but I've probably already typed more than anyone really wanted to know. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 9, 2017 2:17 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs Does anyone have a nice pre-made master want list of Kellogg’s cards with the variations? Almost time to put a page up for those and I really don’t want to type them all from Tradingcarddb. Sal DominoOBC - 1992https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/  ================= Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:58:02 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Map From: Anthony My address is current on this map. I have been here for four years. So it is more recent Sent from my iPad > On Dec 8, 2017, at 1:22 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Seems to me Ryan Distelrath made or updated one but that might be 8 to 10years > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2017, at 12:07 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I forget how and when I made this (or if someone else did), but here is a map of OBCers (probably at least a few years old) >> https://www.mapcustomizer.com/map/OBCers ================= To: "'Sal Domino'" , Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 10:05:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs From: "Matt Yudt" Here is a master I made a while ago from Tradingcarddb - but since I DON'T COLLECT VARIATIONS (I need to keep saying that loudly to myself) - I bumped them to the bottom of the lists, but they are still there.. I have no clue if it is accurate for the variations either, or even what the variation Good luck - get em posted, have a few dupes could send you From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 2:17 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs Does anyone have a nice pre-made master want list of Kellogg's cards with the variations? Almost time to put a page up for those and I really don't want to type them all from Tradingcarddb. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 15:54:52 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Sox/Cards/Astros spring training on Mar 1-2 From: Matthew Glidden Now have tix for Red Sox spring training =E2=9Croad=E2=9D games against Astros and Cards in March. If you=E2=99ll be in the area and can meet up, lemme know! ================= Date: 09 Dec 2017 17:53:58 +0000 To: Subject: T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 18:07:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? From: Mac Wubben I use the big top loader and single pocket pages. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:53:58 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? Hello friends, Does anybody have any suggestions regarding how to store Turkey Red T3/T9s?I'd love some sort of top loader and/or a well fitting binder sleeve. I just picked up my second T9, a beautiful OBC grade Abe Attell. I'd love to have it safe and secure in my T-series boxing binder. Hope all is well! David Luftig ================= Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 11:08:46 -0800 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? From: Geordie Calvert If anybody has a good answer to Mac=E2=99s question, please =E2=9Creply all=E2=9D. I would be interested in finding out the same information. > On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I use the big top loader and single pocket pages. > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:53:58 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? > Hello friends, > Does anybody have any suggestions regarding how to store Turkey Red T3/T9s? I'd love some sort of top loader and/or a well fitting binder sleeve. > I just picked up my second T9, a beautiful OBC grade Abe Attell. I'd loveto have it safe and secure in my T-series boxing binder. > Hope all is well! > David Luftig > <20171209_130525.jpg> ================= Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:33:08 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? From: Ken M Geordie,  Mac was replying to David Luftig's question. I don't have a better idea than the giant toploader in a single page sheet. Also, I don't have a lot of T3's to worry about storing either ;-) I think I've only owned two or three ever and they went into someone else's collection. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 9, 2017 2:09 PMTo: Mac Wubben;Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;davidluftig@gmail.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? If anybody has a good answer to Mac’s question, please “reply all”. I would be interested in finding out the same information. On Dec 9, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   I use the big top loader and single pocket pages.From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 12:53:58 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions?  Hello friends, Does anybody have any suggestions regarding how to store Turkey Red T3/T9s? I'd love some sort of top loader and/or a well fitting binder sleeve. I just picked up my second T9, a beautiful OBC grade Abe Attell. I'd love to have it safe and secure in my T-series boxing binder. Hope all is well!David Luftig <20171209_130525.jpg> ================= Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2017 19:54:06 +0000 (UTC) To: davidluftig@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? From: mark_macrae@comcast.net I use mylar (TV Guide size) then place them in Vario 1 pocket pages (with black background). Look great and are archival quality ----- Original Message ----- From: "davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2017 9:53:58 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? Hello friends, Does anybody have any suggestions regarding how to store Turkey Red T3/T9s?I'd love some sort of top loader and/or a well fitting binder sleeve. I just picked up my second T9, a beautiful OBC grade Abe Attell. I'd love to have it safe and secure in my T-series boxing binder. Hope all is well! David Luftig ================= Date: 09 Dec 2017 23:07:41 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T3/T9 Storage Suggestions? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 22:17:16 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Christmas in and out From: familytoad@comcast.net OBC Christmas as a nice puffy envelope has arrived from the GreatNorth!
I=E2=99m very excited to see what awaits!

On the outbound front, I=E2=99ve boxed up my OBC Santa offering and it will go out tomorrow. =E2Tis the season and it=E2=99s as fun (or more fun) to give as receive!

Appreciate that Bob Donaldson has arranged for the special event dozens of years now. I eagerly await the mail servers for the time when we all announce our incomings and reveal our Secret Santas!

OBC Forever,
Brian

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= To: Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 06:02:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Great catch against the centerfield wall! From: "Ken & Linda" Do you still have your ticket stub....or a program?..........better yet..........set the "scene"...inside the arena that day.......would love to know the Ken Goetsch James Craig unwrapped the American flag from his shoulders long enough to send me a beautiful example of "Snider's Play Brings L.A. Victory" from the Topps 1959 set. Thanks very much! (Roland's Rule: The goaltender of the 1980 Winter Olympics "Miracle On Ice"USA men's hockey team, skating around with an American flag on his shoulders after the gold medal win against Finland, was named Jim Craig. I was in the building for that moment.) ================= Date: 11 Dec 2017 12:22:55 +0000 To: Subject: 1956 Bob Feller White Back? From: bskp1@aol.com ================= To: "bskp1@aol.com" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 14:51:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Bob Feller White Back? From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 11 Dec 2017 15:40:32 +0000 To: Subject: checklist central From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 16:43:02 -0500 Subject: Fwd: Fwd: Have a Merry Christmas and a Safe ,Happy New Year from the From: ED SCHOTT -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Fwd: Have a Merry Christmas and a Safe ,Happy New Year from the SCHOTTS Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:48:12 -0500 From: ED SCHOTT To: stuma@tribles.com, Kevin Nagel -------- Forwarded Message -------- Subject: Have a Merry Christmas and a Safe ,Happy New Year from the Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 15:36:09 -0500 From: ED SCHOTT To: easchott@comcast.net https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVDUNpCYIQI ================= Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 19:17:58 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 58 topps set finished! From: JDahms ================= Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 21:03:23 -0500 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 topps set finished! [1 Attachment] From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Congrats on picking up a big card but even bigger congrats on knocking off a 50s set. Great job. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Obc Ranblings Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 7:18 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 topps set finished! [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from JDahms included below] Finally found it in the price range I wanted. Will crack it out of its tomb soon! Thanks to all for all the help Merry Christmas John E Dahms 310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 02:14:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 topps set finished! From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:44:02 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 topps set finished! From: Jake Brewer Congrats on knocking off =E258T! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2017, at 9:14 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Awesome John! > Jay Tysver > On Dec 11, 2017, at 8:03 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> JD, >> Congrats on picking up a big card but even bigger congrats on knocking off a 50s set. Great job. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: Obc Ranblings >> Sent: Mon, Dec 11, 2017 7:18 pm >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 topps set finished! [1 Attachment] >> [Attachment(s) from JDahms included below] >> Finally found it in the price range I wanted. Will crack it out of its tomb soon! Thanks to all for all the help >> Merry Christmas >> JD >> John E Dahms >> 310 E Addison st >> Jackson mi. 49203 ================= Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2017 22:47:45 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Michael Cavallaro: Potential New Member From: Jake Brewer Michael Cavallaro contacted me about wanting to make a deal to potentially get into OBC. I know he=E2=99s talking to a few others, so I will share my He was very easy to work with and has started a website with his want lists. I told him just to send back what he thought was fair in a trade, since OBC operates on mostly RAOKs anyways. He didn=E2=99t disappoint! He sent back 29 cards; a few from =E258T, a couple from =E266T, and the rest from =E267T (my favorite =E260s set) in exchange for some random high numbers and stars I had from sets I=E2=99m not working on. Very easy to work with, showed generosity, and is just 1 year older than me(meaning we=E2=99d have another young guy!) So let there be no doubt, I=E2=99m all for him getting in!! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 08:08:35 -0800 Subject: Winter Mail Reminder From: "George Vrechek" If you happen to send me anything (which is just great since my list isn't easy to hit), you can continue to send it to our home in Chicago where a neighbor collects our mail. Rather than forwarding any cards to me, I told him to just hang onto them and let us know what comes in. Since he doesn't know a T218 from a 1980 Kellogg, it would help if you sent me an email as to what you send, and I can scratch it off my list and post thanks. Thanks, George Vrechek ================= Date: 12 Dec 2017 17:06:56 +0000 To: Subject: N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and others)... From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 13:48:18 -0500 To: David Luftig Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and others)... From: Anson Whaley Hi David - You are correct that they are not album cuts because of the Old Judge printing on the bottom. To my knowledge, there are two options, although someone else may have more. My guess is that they are skinned N162s with the backs removed and don't have any kind of a semi-gloss on them. The reason I leave it open a little is that, while I have never seen an advertising poster for N162s, there is a seller on eBay that has had a blank-backed Brouthers for a long time. His is blank-backed but doesn't appear to be skinned to me. It looks like it could be some sort of a poster or display cut and it doesn't look like a skinned card. I just searched for it on eBay and, given his asking price, I'm not shocked it's still available. It has had to have been there for over a year. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-N162-Goodwin-Champions-DAN-BROUTHERS-HOF-BLANK-BACK-PSA-A/192382798228?hashitem2ccae88994:g:IrEAAOSw3ydV0rWv If you look very closely at his, it looks hand cut in a few places (upper left side and bottom right edge). My guess is that his was a part of an advertising display, box, etc., even though I've yet to ever see one. I don't even know that I've ever heard of one. Jefferson Burdick catalogued several (what he called) 'banners' in the ACC but one for N162 isn't there, They don't have a ton of value but people would definitely collect them. Assuming skinned, I'd put them in the $8-$10 range. You might get a little more if proven to be from sort of display just because they'd be more unique but nothing in the range of what that eBay seller is asking :) On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:06 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Greetings All, > Another question for everyone. I took a chance with a few tobacco cards > but I'm not sure what I have. They look like N162s but have no back. > In referencing Cap's article: > https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/a36-goodwin-albums/ > I have my doubts that they're A36s since they have the "Old Judge" logo on > the bottom. I bought about twenty cards that, I think, came out of a scrap > book, with these included. These cards are paper thin if that helps. I do > think they're old but I can't find my loupe ; ( > Do you think these are N162s that were scrap-booked and had the backs > removed? Fakes? A36s? Something else? > I posted some pics. Let me know if you don't see them.. > Thanks as always for your brain power. Let me know if you're getting tired > of my posts! > David Luftig ================= To: David Luftig , Anson Whaley Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 19:00:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and others)... From: Taylor Schock Could they be cut from the album (was there an A162???)? I have a few "N2" Indians that were cut from the A2 album. Two of them happen to be the error'cards'. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:48 PM To: David Luftig Cc: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and others)... Hi David - You are correct that they are not album cuts because of the Old Judge printing on the bottom. To my knowledge, there are two options, although someoneelse may have more. My guess is that they are skinned N162s with the backs removed and don't have any kind of a semi-gloss on them. The reason I leave it open a little is that, while I have never seen an advertising poster for N162s, there is a seller on eBay that has had a blank-backed Brouthers for a long time. His is blank-backed but doesn't appear to be skinned to me. It looks like it could be some sort of a poster or display cut and it doesn't look like a skinned card. I just searched for it on eBay and, given his asking price, I'm not shocked it's still available. It has had to have been there for over a year. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-N162-Goodwin-Champions-DAN-BROUTHERS-HOF-BLANK-BACK-PSA-A/192382798228?hash= [http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/192382798228-0-1/s-l1000.jpg] [OBC-Ramblings] > Greetings All, Another question for everyone. I took a chance with a few tobacco cards butI'm not sure what I have. They look like N162s but have no back. In referencing Cap's article: https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/a36-goodwin-albums/ I have my doubts that they're A36s since they have the "Old Judge" logo on the bottom. I bought about twenty cards that, I think, came out of a scrap book, with these included. These cards are paper thin if that helps. I do think they're old but I can't find my loupe ; ( Do you think these are N162s that were scrap-booked and had the backs removed? Fakes? A36s? Something else? I posted some pics. Let me know if you don't see them.. Thanks as always for your brain power. Let me know if you're getting tired of my posts! David Luftig ================= Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:32:18 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and others)... From: Anson Whaley Hi Taylor - Yes, there was an N162 album (A36) but cards cut from there do not have the Old Judge/Gypsy Queen label at the bottom as David's do. On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 2:00 PM, Taylor Schock > Could they be cut from the album (was there an A162???)? I have a few "N2" > Indians that were cut from the A2 album. Two of them happen to be the error > 'cards'. > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 12, 2017 1:48 PM > *To:* David Luftig > *Cc:* obc ramblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and > others)... > Hi David - > You are correct that they are not album cuts because of the Old Judge > printing on the bottom. To my knowledge, there are two options, although > someone else may have more. > My guess is that they are skinned N162s with the backs removed and don't > have any kind of a semi-gloss on them. > The reason I leave it open a little is that, while I have never seen an > advertising poster for N162s, there is a seller on eBay that has had a > blank-backed Brouthers for a long time. His is blank-backed but doesn't > appear to be skinned to me. It looks like it could be some sort of a poster > or display cut and it doesn't look like a skinned card. I just searched for > it on eBay and, given his asking price, I'm not shocked it's still > available. It has had to have been there for over a year. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1888-N162-Goodwin-Champions-DAN-BROUTHERS-HOF- > BLANK-BACK-PSA-A/192382798228?hashitem2ccae88994:g:IrEAAOSw3ydV0rWv > > 1888 N162 Goodwin Champions DAN BROUTHERS HOF - BLANK BACK PSA A | eBay > > www.ebay.com > Philly Show, Valley Forge PA - December 1-2. There's a small crack in the > back of the PSA holder. - Winter Show, White Plains NY - January 12-13. Com > - (Formerly floyd6294). | eBay! > If you look very closely at his, it looks hand cut in a few places (upper > left side and bottom right edge). My guess is that his was a part of an > advertising display, box, etc., even though I've yet to ever see one. I > don't even know that I've ever heard of one. Jefferson Burdick catalogued > several (what he called) 'banners' in the ACC but one for N162 isn't there, > either. > They don't have a ton of value but people would definitely collect them. > Assuming skinned, I'd put them in the $8-$10 range. You might get a little > more if proven to be from sort of display just because they'd be more > unique but nothing in the range of what that eBay seller is asking :) > Cap > On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 12:06 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Greetings All, > Another question for everyone. I took a chance with a few tobacco cards > but I'm not sure what I have. They look like N162s but have no back. > In referencing Cap's article: > https://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/a36-goodwin-albums/ > I have my doubts that they're A36s since they have the "Old Judge" logo on > the bottom. I bought about twenty cards that, I think, came out of a scrap > book, with these included. These cards are paper thin if that helps. I do > think they're old but I can't find my loupe ; ( > Do you think these are N162s that were scrap-booked and had the backs > removed? Fakes? A36s? Something else? > I posted some pics. Let me know if you don't see them.. > Thanks as always for your brain power. Let me know if you're getting tired > of my posts! > David Luftig ================= Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:40:37 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: Price guides From: JDahms ================= Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:44:14 -0500 To: JDahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Price guides From: Anson Whaley Standard Catalog of Vintage Cards? That is a fairly common one. On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 2:40 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have a large and thick price guide at home that is just vintage > baseball. I am at work and am trying to look it up but hav ik ng no luck. > It's not beckett or tuff stuff. What do you guys have? Might jog my mind > Thanks > JD > John E Dahms > 310 E Addison st > > Jackson mi. 49203 > ================= To: "'JDahms'" , Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 14:49:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Price guides From: "Bob Donaldson" I have the SCD Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards from 2011. Is that what you mean? Not sure if its still in print. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2017 2:41 PM To: Obc Ranblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Price guides I have a large and thick price guide at home that is just vintage baseball.I am at work and am trying to look it up but hav ik ng no luck. It's not beckett or tuff stuff. What do you guys have? Might jog my mind John E Dahms 310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= Date: 12 Dec 2017 20:11:13 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] N162s, A36s??? Paging the Cap (and others)... From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: JDahms , Obc Ranblings Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 18:59:21 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 58 topps set finished! [1 Attachment] From: Yaz Way to go John! I've needed one card in that set for a few months now and it happens to be that same card. You'd think I get on the ball and chase it down but the fact is, I now have 7 sets needing one card and 3 more needing 3 cards. So many choices. Greg (yaz) On 12/11/2017 6:17 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from JDahms included below] > Finally found it in the price range I wanted.  Will crack it out of > its tomb soon!  Thanks to all for all the help > Merry Christmas > JD > John E Dahms > 310 E Addison st > Jackson mi. 49203 ================= Date: Tue, 12 Dec 2017 23:09:23 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Sick Day From: Ken M Hi gang,  Decided that since I've used one sick day so far this year, that I was overdue for another today. It's more of a mental health day and not because I'm actually sick (although I did get a slight migraine, which will be my excuse if anyone asks at work... which isn't likely). Wednesday is my regular day off, so it was a premium sick day. I'll likely walk into a disaster on Thursday, but I'll bite that bullet later.  Got to spend a couple extra hours with the kids out of it and we caught a movie (The Star) right after school, which we wouldn't have seen had I worked. (It was the last showing.)  Yesterday my parents came to visit. They brought a table and chairs for my dining room, which has been filled with boxes and stuff from storage. I'm just now starting to bring them over to She Who Shall Not Be Named's house, as I slowly begin to declutter. My parents also brought a part for my washing machine (the motherboard of washing machines) and Dad installed it. That to ok care of the error I was getting that stopped everything before even filling with water. Unfortunately, the machine has been sitting idle for some time and I got a different error. After they left, I ended up taking the drum out of it, cleaning off a corroded spindle and putting it back together good as new. Now I can skip taking the kids to the laundromat for a while, whick makes everyone involved happy. It's amazing what kind of DIY info/videos you can find on the internet. Makes even a novice like myself feel accomplished (and handy).  The collection has been dormant for a couple weeks (the deliveries from you guys notwithstanding). I'm still in the process of paying off a T205 Moran (stray line) that I picked up a couple months ago. Thankfully, Paypal gives you six months of no interest on big purchases, so I could pull the trigger on it and pay it off gradually. I did kill a few sets on the cheap though, a few of which I originally had no intention of collecting. I'v e been looking at (disc) lots from 1976 and 1977 - all 70-card sets with different stamps on the back. To that end, I've found sets of Chilly Willie, Isaly's, Crane's and blank backs. Also purchased as a result of my broad searches were sets of Burger Chef (a 24 full tray set with 9 discs on each tray) Pepsi Cola (with the full gloves intact) and Crane's football discs (with a Walter Payton rookie). None of those were on my radar a couple months ago. I want to buy some stuff presently ON my list, but will likely wait to see if the mail brings anything... and wait to open that neatly wrapped present from Guru in 12 days 57 minutes and 35 seconds, not that I'm counting down or anything.  Well, big plans tomorrow include waiting around the house for the gas company to change my meter - something they've been hounding me to do for a couple months, since apparently they're required by law to replace it every seven years - and it's been at least that many. Thanks for reading. TAY Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 08:40:36 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central From: Jake Brewer to sort of piggy-back off this.... would there be a way to mark who needs what cards in a drop down of this? Probably marked/updated by each individual OBCer, otherwise it=E2=99d be a lot of work.... just a thought/question. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2017, at 10:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Who is the caretaker of the OBC list of checklists? Are we still trying to update, add and correct it OR have we abdicated to either Anson Whaley'sPrewar lists and/or Trading Card Database (www.tradingcarddb.com)? I would think we may want to add links to those sites to our lists and there are errors in our list that we should be able to correct and/or update. I am sure our variation guys would have a field day updating our checklists to include the variations as well. > For those not familiar with what I am referring to, on the OBC home page there is a link to "Library". Under the Library is a link to "Checklist Central". It has lists of thousands of sets, in multiple sports. The sets are broken down into the 4 major sports, plus a golf/boxing category and then non-sports. Of course for me, this leaves some of the multi-sports sets and other sports with no home. Others, such as 1952 Berk Ross are in the golf/boxing > Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:15:30 -0500 To: thepointguard@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central From: mikesportsfan@aol.com As I thought we had previously reported the tech guys are working on a newforum based site, that would allow searching for everyone's list that switches over by issue, card #, player name etc. that is filled in. We at estill a ways a way from that but it is something being attempted. My question is on the OBC homepage there is a link to a list of checklists for various sets. There are errors and/or lists are incomplete. Few, if any, have variations listed. I am trying to find out who is the caretaker for them and/or how do we update and correct them. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jake Brewer To: mikesportsfan Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 8:40 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central to sort of piggy-back off this.... would there be a way to mark who needs what cards in a drop down of this? Probably marked/updated by each individual OBCer, otherwise it=E2=99d be a lot of work.... just a thought/question. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2017, at 10:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Who is the caretaker of the OBC list of checklists? Are we still trying toupdate, add and correct it OR have we abdicated to either Anson Whaley's Prewar lists and/or Trading Card Database (www.tradingcarddb.com)? I would think we may want to add links to those sites to our lists and there are errors in our list that we should be able to correct and/or update. I am sure our variation guys would have a field day updating our checklists to include the variations as well. For those not familiar with what I am referring to, on the OBC home page there is a link to "Library". Under the Library is a link to "Checklist Central". It has lists of thousands of sets, in multiple sports. The sets arebroken down into the 4 major sports, plus a golf/boxing category and then non-sports. Of course for me, this leaves some of the multi-sports sets and other sports with no home. Others, such as 1952 Berk Ross are in the golf/boxing Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 11:45:53 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central From: Jake Brewer Sorry, missed the part about being able to search for a card that is neededin the forums talk email. Its not convenient to go back and search for that conversation after I delete the emails. I understand what you were asking about- but I clearly don=E2=99t have your answer that you seek; good luck. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2017, at 11:15 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com wrote: > As I thought we had previously reported the tech guys are working on a new forum based site, that would allow searching for everyone's list that switches over by issue, card #, player name etc. that is filled in. We at estill a ways a way from that but it is something being attempted. > My question is on the OBC homepage there is a link to a list of checklists for various sets. There are errors and/or lists are incomplete. Few, ifany, have variations listed. I am trying to find out who is the caretakerfor them and/or how do we update and correct them. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Jake Brewer > To: mikesportsfan > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 8:40 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central > to sort of piggy-back off this.... would there be a way to mark who needswhat cards in a drop down of this? Probably marked/updated by each individual OBCer, otherwise it=E2=99d be a lot of work.... just a thought/question. > -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2017, at 10:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Who is the caretaker of the OBC list of checklists? Are we still trying to update, add and correct it OR have we abdicated to either Anson Whaley'sPrewar lists and/or Trading Card Database (www.tradingcarddb.com)? I would think we may want to add links to those sites to our lists and there are errors in our list that we should be able to correct and/or update. I am sure our variation guys would have a field day updating our checklists to include the variations as well. > For those not familiar with what I am referring to, on the OBC home page there is a link to "Library". Under the Library is a link to "Checklist Central". It has lists of thousands of sets, in multiple sports. The sets are broken down into the 4 major sports, plus a golf/boxing category and then non-sports. Of course for me, this leaves some of the multi-sports sets and other sports with no home. Others, such as 1952 Berk Ross are in the golf/boxing > Mike Rich ================= Date: 13 Dec 2017 17:46:55 +0000 To: Subject: Idiot Cards From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 13 Dec 2017 22:08:48 +0000 To: Subject: Idiot From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:15:57 -0500 To: Joel Freedman , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central From: Wayne Delia You'll have to talk to Wayne Delia about that. Wait... I'm Wayne Delia. Thanks for pointing that out. I've got most of the missing files stored on our OBC web site from the old Network Solutions platform, and I'll get them loaded to our new HostGator platform. Other links seem to be way out of date or obsolete. The "Checklist Central" in the Library link from the navigation panel contains about 150 to 200 links, and many of them are ancient. For example, the checklists which were written up by the late Chris Stufflestreet are linked to HTML files supposedly stored at www.obaks.com/vintagebaseballcards, and it looks like most of them are now in a Korean character set. I wouldn't use "Checklist Central" as any kind of up-to-date resource, especially in terms of variations or newly discovered cards. We have another resource available, which is somewhat more up to date - but again, it's only as good as the input data, which could use some cleansing. I've got a feature called "Wayne Delia's Mega-Checklists" under the OBC Specials link from the left-side navigation panel. Across several different sports genres, Mega-Checklists contains about 7000 different sets, initially grouped by decade. The data was obtained by scraping checklists from other sites offering data in the public domain, and it includes any errors that may have occurred on the external sites. When I wrote Mega-Checklists, I also included a facility for people (initially just myself) to make corrections to the checklist data. I didn't want to open that up on the OBC website, because the checklist data is made available for viewing by pretty much anyone, who could then simply delete all data if they were intent on being disruptive. We could put the Mega-Checklists correction function behind a members-only password-accessed area, so the only people making corrections will be OBC members. I've also had a start on an Online Want List creation function, which will theoretically allow OBC'ers to create their own actual check-box checklists for many different sports categories and sets, which are stored on our database. This is a bit different from the recent flat file want list replacement exercise for just the want lists that were kept on our OBC server. Again, the effectiveness of this kind of program depends on 1) me finishing up the program to manage these want lists, 2) people entering their data into the program, and 3) people maintaining their data, keeping it all up to date. But we're quite a bit away from a fully-integrated want list manager program which can identify what OBC'ers need specific individual cards, which would be very, very cool. Even with the holidays coming up, I will have at least some time to look into these programs and get an idea of what needs to be done to push this On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Joel Freedman > I think it is wayne delia. > On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:15 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> As I thought we had previously reported the tech guys are working on a >> new forum based site, that would allow searching for everyone's list that >> switches over by issue, card #, player name etc. that is filled in. We at >> estill a ways a way from that but it is something being attempted. >> My question is on the OBC homepage there is a link to a list of >> checklists for various sets. There are errors and/or lists are >> incomplete. Few, if any, have variations listed. I am trying to find out >> who is the caretaker for them and/or how do we update and correct them. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jake Brewer >> To: mikesportsfan >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 8:40 am >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central >> to sort of piggy-back off this.... would there be a way to mark who needs >> what cards in a drop down of this? Probably marked/updated by each >> individual OBCer, otherwise it=E2=99d be a lot of work.... just a >> thought/question. >> -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 11, 2017, at 10:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Who is the caretaker of the OBC list of checklists? Are we still trying >> to update, add and correct it OR have we abdicated to either Anson Whaley's >> Prewar lists and/or Trading Card Database (www.tradingcarddb.com)? I >> would think we may want to add links to those sites to our lists and there >> are errors in our list that we should be able to correct and/or update. I >> am sure our variation guys would have a field day updating our checklists >> to include the variations as well. >> For those not familiar with what I am referring to, on the OBC home page >> there is a link to "Library". Under the Library is a link to "Checklist >> Central". It has lists of thousands of sets, in multiple sports. The sets >> are broken down into the 4 major sports, plus a golf/boxing category and >> then non-sports. Of course for me, this leaves some of the multi-sports >> sets and other sports with no home. Others, such as 1952 Berk Ross are in >> the golf/boxing link. >> Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 18:25:13 -0500 To: Wayne Delia Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central From: Jake Brewer Thanks for your friendly response Wayne, and all your hard work! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > You'll have to talk to Wayne Delia about that. Wait... I'm Wayne Delia. > Thanks for pointing that out. I've got most of the missing files stored on our OBC web site from the old Network Solutions platform, and I'll get them loaded to our new HostGator platform. Other links seem to be way out of date or obsolete. The "Checklist Central" in the Library link from the navigation panel contains about 150 to 200 links, and many of them are ancient.For example, the checklists which were written up by the late Chris Stufflestreet are linked to HTML files supposedly stored at www.obaks.com/vintagebaseballcards, and it looks like most of them are now in a Korean characterset. I wouldn't use "Checklist Central" as any kind of up-to-date resource, especially in terms of variations or newly discovered cards. > We have another resource available, which is somewhat more up to date - but again, it's only as good as the input data, which could use some cleansing. I've got a feature called "Wayne Delia's Mega-Checklists" under the OBCSpecials link from the left-side navigation panel. Across several different sports genres, Mega-Checklists contains about 7000 different sets, initially grouped by decade. The data was obtained by scraping checklists from other sites offering data in the public domain, and it includes any errors that may have occurred on the external sites. > When I wrote Mega-Checklists, I also included a facility for people (initially just myself) to make corrections to the checklist data. I didn't wantto open that up on the OBC website, because the checklist data is made available for viewing by pretty much anyone, who could then simply delete all data if they were intent on being disruptive. We could put the Mega-Checklists correction function behind a members-only password-accessed area, so the only people making corrections will be OBC members. > I've also had a start on an Online Want List creation function, which will theoretically allow OBC'ers to create their own actual check-box checklists for many different sports categories and sets, which are stored on our database. This is a bit different from the recent flat file want list replacement exercise for just the want lists that were kept on our OBC server. Again, the effectiveness of this kind of program depends on 1) me finishing up the program to manage these want lists, 2) people entering their data into the program, and 3) people maintaining their data, keeping it all up to date. But we're quite a bit away from a fully-integrated want list manager program which can identify what OBC'ers need specific individual cards, which would be very, very cool. > Even with the holidays coming up, I will have at least some time to look into these programs and get an idea of what needs to be done to push this along. > Best, > WMD >> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Joel Freedman wrote: >> I think it is wayne delia. >>> On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:15 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> As I thought we had previously reported the tech guys are working on anew forum based site, that would allow searching for everyone's list that switches over by issue, card #, player name etc. that is filled in. We at estill a ways a way from that but it is something being attempted. >>> My question is on the OBC homepage there is a link to a list of checklists for various sets. There are errors and/or lists are incomplete. Few, if any, have variations listed. I am trying to find out who is the caretaker for them and/or how do we update and correct them. >>> Mike Rich >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jake Brewer >>> To: mikesportsfan >>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings >>> Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 8:40 am >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central >>> to sort of piggy-back off this.... would there be a way to mark who needs what cards in a drop down of this? Probably marked/updated by each individual OBCer, otherwise it=E2=99d be a lot of work.... just a thought/question. >>> -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Dec 11, 2017, at 10:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Who is the caretaker of the OBC list of checklists? Are we still trying to update, add and correct it OR have we abdicated to either Anson Whaley's Prewar lists and/or Trading Card Database (www.tradingcarddb.com)? I would think we may want to add links to those sites to our lists and there are errors in our list that we should be able to correct and/or update. I amsure our variation guys would have a field day updating our checklists to include the variations as well. >>> For those not familiar with what I am referring to, on the OBC home page there is a link to "Library". Under the Library is a link to "Checklist Central". It has lists of thousands of sets, in multiple sports. The setsare broken down into the 4 major sports, plus a golf/boxing category and then non-sports. Of course for me, this leaves some of the multi-sports sets and other sports with no home. Others, such as 1952 Berk Ross are in thegolf/boxing >>> Mike Rich ================= To: Wayne Delia Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 23:29:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central From: richard dingman Yes, thanks much Wayne!! Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 6:25 PM To: Wayne Delia Cc: Joel Freedman; OBC Ramblings; mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central Thanks for your friendly response Wayne, and all your hard work! -Jake =93The Kid=94 Brewer Sent from my iPhone On Dec 13, 2017, at 6:15 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > You'll have to talk to Wayne Delia about that. Wait... I'm Wayne Delia. Thanks for pointing that out. I've got most of the missing files stored on our OBC web site from the old Network Solutions platform, and I'll get themloaded to our new HostGator platform. Other links seem to be way out of date or obsolete. The "Checklist Central" in the Library link from the navigation panel contains about 150 to 200 links, and many of them are ancient. For example, the checklists which were written up by the late Chris Stufflestreet are linked to HTML files supposedly stored at www.obaks.com/vintagebaseballcards, and it looks like most of them are now in a Korean character set. I wouldn't use "Checklist Central" as any kind of up-to-date resource, especially in terms of variations or newly discovered cards. We have another resource available, which is somewhat more up to date - butagain, it's only as good as the input data, which could use some cleansing. I've got a feature called "Wayne Delia's Mega-Checklists" under the OBC Specials link from the left-side navigation panel. Across several different sports genres, Mega-Checklists contains about 7000 different sets, initially grouped by decade. The data was obtained by scraping checklists from other sites offering data in the public domain, and it includes any errors thatmay have occurred on the external sites. When I wrote Mega-Checklists, I also included a facility for people (initially just myself) to make corrections to the checklist data. I didn't want to open that up on the OBC website, because the checklist data is made available for viewing by pretty much anyone, who could then simply delete all data if they were intent on being disruptive. We could put the Mega-Checklists correction function behind a members-only password-accessed area, so the only people making corrections will be OBC members. I've also had a start on an Online Want List creation function, which will theoretically allow OBC'ers to create their own actual check-box checklistsfor many different sports categories and sets, which are stored on our database. This is a bit different from the recent flat file want list replacement exercise for just the want lists that were kept on our OBC server. Again, the effectiveness of this kind of program depends on 1) me finishing up the program to manage these want lists, 2) people entering their data into the program, and 3) people maintaining their data, keeping it all up to date. But we're quite a bit away from a fully-integrated want list manager program which can identify what OBC'ers need specific individual cards, which would be very, very cool. Even with the holidays coming up, I will have at least some time to look into these programs and get an idea of what needs to be done to push this along. On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Joel Freedman > I think it is wayne delia. On Wed, Dec 13, 2017 at 11:15 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > As I thought we had previously reported the tech guys are working on a newforum based site, that would allow searching for everyone's list that switches over by issue, card #, player name etc. that is filled in. We at estill a ways a way from that but it is something being attempted. My question is on the OBC homepage there is a link to a list of checklists for various sets. There are errors and/or lists are incomplete. Few, if any, have variations listed. I am trying to find out who is the caretaker for them and/or how do we update and correct them. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jake Brewer > To: mikesportsfan > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 13, 2017 8:40 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklist central to sort of piggy-back off this.... would there be a way to mark who needs what cards in a drop down of this? Probably marked/updated by each individual OBCer, otherwise it=92d be a lot of work.... just a thought/question. -Jake =93The Kid=94 Brewer Sent from my iPhone On Dec 11, 2017, at 10:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Who is the caretaker of the OBC list of checklists? Are we still trying toupdate, add and correct it OR have we abdicated to either Anson Whaley's Prewar lists and/or Trading Card Database (www.tradingcarddb.com)? I would think we may want to add links to those sitesto our lists and there are errors in our list that we should be able to correct and/or update. I am sure our variation guys would have a field day updating our checklists to include the variations as well. For those not familiar with what I am referring to, on the OBC home page there is a link to "Library". Under the Library is a link to "Checklist Central". It has lists of thousands of sets, in multiple sports. The sets arebroken down into the 4 major sports, plus a golf/boxing category and then non-sports. Of course for me, this leaves some of the multi-sports sets and other sports with no home. Others, such as 1952 Berk Ross are in the golf/boxing Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:10:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Idiot Cards From: "Sal Domino" Are these the cards? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2017 12:47 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Idiot Cards I have 3 1961 Donruss Idiot Cards to give away, NON SPORTS Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 13 Dec 2017 20:15:19 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Playoff Pool - 1st Call From: Gary Mandell Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested.It is a very fun format where you always have one playeractive from each team in each game.We have had over a dozenparticipants for severalyears, and hope to exceed that total this year. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated.But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough.And if your home town or other favorite teamis out of it (Bears and Browns for me), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! Because of issues collecting trading cards for prizes in the past, this year will be a cash only tournament, and the entry fee is $5. You may only have one entry. The $5 should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than January 6 at 10AM Central Time tosmartalecx@aol.com. The playoff schedule won't be finalized until December 31, but if the playoffs were to start this weekend, the lineup would look like this: AFC Week 1 (January 6 and 7):6 Bills at 3 Jaguars, 5 Titans at 4 Chiefs, 1 Steelers and 2 Patriots BYE (Six other teams still in the hunt:BAL, LAC, OAK, MIA, NYJ, CIN) AFC Week 2 (January 13 and 14):1 Steelers at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3 (January 21):Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining NFC Week 1 (January 6 and 7):6 Falcons at 3 Rams, 5 Panthers at4 Saints, 1 Eagles and 2 Vikings BYE (Five other teams still in the hunt: SEA, DET, GB, DAL, AZ) NFC Week 2 (January 13 and 14):1 Eagles at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Vikings at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3 (January 21):Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining Super Bowl Week 4 (February 4):Super Bowl The weekend of January 6-7 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams:Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs.Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool).In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points.These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this:QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline:Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 6 at 10 AM Central Time.Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed.Please remember that your $5 entry fee must be received via Paypal Friends and Family byJanuary 6 at 10 AM Central Time (if you do not have Paypal, please email in advance to make other arrangements). Passing:Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points foran interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving:Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing orreceiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking:Field Goals:<31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard.Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point.PAT1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams.The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season(four Tie Breaker:Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry.If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries):Overall winner will get 60% of the prize pool, 2nd place gets 30% and 3rd place gets10%. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early.Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family no later than 10 AM Central Time on Saturday, January 6, and your roster picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday,January 6 at 10 AM CST. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy Holiday season to you and your families! Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: 14 Dec 2017 05:42:05 +0000 To: Subject: Bronx, Ny From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:57:21 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: T206s for Trade - followup From: Gary Mandell I am not exactly sure why, but the link I provided in my last email is working only sometimes Please go to the Directory Page of the various trading groups and hit the link to my page. That seems to be working Gary Mandell OBC, OCT, TB, DT ================= Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 14:29:08 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: So Cal Fire update From: Gary Beard WOW...just wow! It's been about 10 days and we're nowhere near back to MY FAMILY IS SAFE! Thanks for all the thoughts and prayers. So many of our day to day activities are in the burn area of the largest of the fires that have charred the Southern California area. Just about every day the past week or so we've been evacuated from or found our destination closed due to evacuations. Whether it was the local Lowes or Home Depot shopping centers (where we were trying to acquire supplies to help our friends who had damaged homes) or meetings we had to find alternate locations for, you can't imagine all the odd things we couldn't do as scheduled because of a fire that never really got closer than 10 miles from our house. So, although our house and family was never in imminent danger from the fires, our lives have been effected in so many ways the past few days, though obviously not as much as those who were closer to the path of the We're so thankful the only way we were effected was in a disturbance to our The college my wife teaches at (the fire burned the block just north of the campus) made daily decisions to stay open or cancel classes all last week. Every day they cancelled classes the night before. So, our week was full of trying to help my wife get her students caught up from the day before, only to find out that evening she was going to have to help them get caught up for ANOTHER day. This week is finals week for the semester, and they've made all the finals optional...but, they can't be facilitated on the college campus. So, my wife and I have been trying to secure an off-site location where she can hold her finals for those who need to improve their So many people (I wouldn't say most people) are wearing surgical masks whenever they're outside. We have to keep all of our windows closed all day because the smell of fire is still so strong. So many of the families who lost their homes have been so gracious in this time of losing most everything they own. Most are planning to rebuild and have come to realize that as long as they still have the lives of those they love, everything is going to be ok. It's been great seeing the community come together to help people they've never met. Every location I've been in, we find strangers, which nobody from the area knows, who are there just to help the community. 250,000 acres have burned and there's only about 30% containment. 970 structures (mostly homes) have been destroyed with 18,000 still threatened. I've got 66 emails in my baseball card account to get caught up on. I have a spreadsheet completed from my recent waiver wire which will help expedite getting these cards sent to their new owners. Forgive me for my absence the past week and a half. I'll try to get all these packages out today (tomorrow at the latest). Thanks again for all the prayers and well wishes. Please continue to pray for those effected more than my family and for those still in the path of all of these fires. Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= To: "'Obc Ranblings'" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:26:11 -0500 Subject: Pre War Trading???? From: "Bob Donaldson" Realize this is a long shot but here goes. I really want to focus my pre-war collection on the E120 and E121 American Caramels. For trading I have T206s (about 10) E120s (2) E220 Barber 38 Goudeys 34-36 Batter Ups top missing 1920's Exhibits A few misc W and E cards I also have the following cards listed below, they are not dups and I would only trade (for now at least) for E121 hits or E120 HOFers 38 Goudey Foxx, Gehringer 48 Leaf Williams 69 OPC Banks, Aaron, Clemente E220 W Johnson 1934 Butterfinger (many HOF including Ruth and Gehrig) 1929 Kashin (many, few minor HOFers) Thanks for looking! ================= To: "'Obc Ranblings'" Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2017 19:26:40 -0500 Subject: 1972 Topps Presidents From: "Bob Donaldson" Anyone working on this set? I've a few dups ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 05:18:52 +0000 Subject: My Nana would be proud! From: Patrick Wattigny ================= To: "'Patrick Wattigny'" , Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 09:02:17 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My Nana would be proud! From: "Bob Donaldson" Well, Merry Christmas to you Fr Pat! I think it pays to let friends, family and co-workers know about our hobby.You never know what is in their attics! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Wattigny seventytwop@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 15, 2017 12:19 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My Nana would be proud! Good evening OBC! I got a phone call last week from some former parishioners who asked me if I was interested in a box of baseball cards they had. It took me a few daysto call them back, but I did call them back yesterday and the older gentleman told me about the cards and a binder that had been up in the attic for many years. I arranged to go see them today because they asked me if I wanted them. Well, boys and girls, I hit the motherlode! Two shoeboxes full of cards from 1954 to 1970, including to 1964 Pete Rose cards, Sandy Koufax and Harmon Killebrew in several years, several Mantles, Maris and Mays, And aboatload of 1962 commons. there are also lots of 1960 and 61 Topps commons. My byline said my Nana would be proud. Prior to this find, the best ever find I had was a tops vending box that Nana found at a garage sale which I got for Christmas 1982. I later found out the box cost five dollars, and had five Mantle all stars from the high numbers in mint condition, along with two complete high number series runs. But I think this one is even better. There are also lots of football cards from the early 60s in here, with several of the big players, Y.A. Tittle, Raymond Berry, Leo Nomellini, and on! Iintend to share the wealth. So I will be looking at your want lists, and expect some hits. There are some OPC Tipton mint gems from 1958, so beware of those if you=E2=99ve been a bad boy or girl this Christmas season LOL Peace to you all, Fr. Pat Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 17:31:01 -0500 To: Patrick Wattigny Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Nana would be proud! From: ShoelessWes Wow! Congrats Fr. Pat! That's the best kind of find you can get! Wes Shepard > On Dec 15, 2017, at 12:18 AM, Patrick Wattigny seventytwop@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Good evening OBC! > I got a phone call last week from some former parishioners who asked me if I was interested in a box of baseball cards they had. It took me a few days to call them back, but I did call them back yesterday and the older gentleman told me about the cards and a binder that had been up in the attic for many years. I arranged to go see them today because they asked me if I wanted them. Well, boys and girls, I hit the motherlode! Two shoeboxes full of cards from 1954 to 1970, including to 1964 Pete Rose cards, Sandy Koufax and Harmon Killebrew in several years, several Mantles, Maris and Mays, Anda boatload of 1962 commons. there are also lots of 1960 and 61 Topps commons. > My byline said my Nana would be proud. Prior to this find, the best ever find I had was a tops vending box that Nana found at a garage sale which I got for Christmas 1982. I later found out the box cost five dollars, and had five Mantle all stars from the high numbers in mint condition, along withtwo complete high number series runs. But I think this one is even better.There are also lots of football cards from the early 60s in here, with several of the big players, Y.A. Tittle, Raymond Berry, Leo Nomellini, and on!I intend to share the wealth. So I will be looking at your want lists, andexpect some hits. There are some OPC Tipton mint gems from 1958, so bewareof those if you=E2=99ve been a bad boy or girl this Christmas season LOL > Peace to you all, > Fr. Pat > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 15 Dec 2017 23:42:03 +0000 To: Subject: Some waivers tonight From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:28:35 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Santa From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, My Secret Santa Cards Came today My Santa lives in Washington DC? Is Trump My Santa? Thank you Santa I will be good and not open it to the 25th.. Merry Christmas Ho Ho Ho Kevin Martens ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 20:49:16 -0600 Subject: 48 leaf football question From: mark zentkovich See link to a 48 leaf Sammy Baugh auction. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-Football-Card-34-Sammy-Baugh-Washington-Redskins-Texas-Christian/380198165449?epid159754796&hashitem5885939bc= Mine has blue print spot in exactly same place as this one does. I am thinking of getting it graded, but my question is=E2=A6 Do you think the grader could possibly think this mark is ink and grade it lower than if it was a print defect? Not considering the print defect, my card looks vgex to me. Would like to hear some opinions on this, especially those that have 48 leaf sets=E2=A6would wonder how many print issues like this you have seen in your sets? Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2017 22:58:33 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 48 leaf football question From: Ken M Mark,  I have the 48 Leaf baseball set and to put it simply, it's the worst printing job in the history of sportscards. It's like they weren't even trying. Color bleeds, out of register and differing colors are more the norm, rather than the exception. They can frequently be found with black overprint from the back of the wet sheet being placed on top of another right after printing.   I can't answer your question on what the grader might give your card, as it's subjective to begin with. Someone with a good knowledge of the set may have seen dozens of examples of that particular card and have an awareness of typical flaws and printing differences... or you could get a teenager on summer break who spends all of ten seconds looking at your card.  To be honest, I took almost 1/2 my set OUT of slabs (almost all the SP's), so I could put them in an album. Are you grading it for authenticity? Resale? You don't have to answer that. Thanks for reading, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Dec 15, 2017 9:49 PMTo: yahoogroups;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 48 leaf football question See link to a 48 leaf Sammy Baugh auction. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Leaf-Football-Card-34-Sammy-Baugh-Washington-Redskins-Texas-Christian/380198165449?epid=159754796&hash=item5885939bc9:m:mbtRJtGgvOSfF31N9DotF-Q   Mine has blue print spot in exactly same place as this one does. I am thinking of getting it graded, but my question is… Do you think the grader could possibly think this mark is ink and grade it lower than if it was a print defect? Not considering the print defect, my card looks vgex to me. Would like to hear some opinions on this, especially those that have 48 leaf sets…would wonder how many print issues like this you have seen in your sets? Thanks, mark zentkovich  Sent from Mail for Windows 10  ================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 09:24:10 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 61 fb lot on Ebay From: Anthony Good price https://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-Topps-Football-Lot-50-Different-w-23-Minor-Stars-Rookies-VG-Gd-Cond/302559720251?hashitem4671f6f33b:g:Qt8AAOSwvTpaLGX= Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 16 Dec 2017 14:57:02 +0000 To: Subject: OBC spirit in Pittsburgh From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: , Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 11:09:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC spirit in Pittsburgh From: "Sal Domino" This goes to show that the holiday (or OBC) spirit lasts all year round, not just this time of year! Well done boys! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:57 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC spirit in Pittsburgh Saw this article and it made me think of OBC. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/good-news/random-acts-of-kindness-taking-a-tumble-trying-to-catching-a-bus/ar-BBGKl7L?liBBmkt5R &ocidspartanntp Then it reminded me of the time Mark Talbot, John Dahms and I went to a Tigers game together. It was a nite game and we ended up sitting to a nice elderly gentleman from Indiana who had been to a Tigers game in over 35 years. It was his first visit back to Detroit since then, he was now in his 80s. He attended the game by himself. I think Mark and John took him for a stroll around the park to see the features. When they returned I asked where he had parked, and he was in some flat lot, wes t of the stadium. Mark had driven us and we had parked 4 blocks south of the stadium. I mentioned I did not feel comfortable with this guy walking to his car alone. So while Mark retrieved our car, John and I tried to walk the guy to his car. Turns out he had forgotten where he had parked, and only with John and my assistance did he find his way. He had parked in not the best area, as John was getting somewhat nervous himself. I was really glad we assisted the elderly gentleman as I could already see the headline about an out of towner being mugged or worse headline. Mark then was able to pick us up. It was a beautiful nite for a walk and an OBC get together, but the highlight of thenite for me was our RAOK. Mike Rich < br class"yui-cursor"> ================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 16:39:32 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: Maz From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Maybe the guy with the tire iron was going to try to use it to remove home plate? ================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 17:46:36 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Maz From: Ken M I'm going with stadium security. Nobody messed with THAT guy, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 16, 2017 4:39 PMTo: obc Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] re: Maz ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 20:39:33 -0600 Subject: address for Lynn Miller From: mark zentkovich Anyone have an address for him? I was going to send him a Christmas card but did not have any directories old Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2017 21:45:15 -0500 To: mzentko@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Lynn is getting ready to move again I believe. He had to sell the house aspart of the divorce. I am still in touch with Lynn and will get an address for him. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Dec 16, 2017 9:39 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller Anyone have an address for him? I was going to send him a Christmas card but did not have any directories old Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: 17 Dec 2017 03:56:23 +0000 To: Subject: Montgomery Cards Test Email Check From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 04:28:05 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller From: richard dingman I will be visiting Vegas in a few weeks and would like contact info for Lynn as well in case I have a chance to meet up. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:45 PM To: mzentko@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller Lynn is getting ready to move again I believe. He had to sell the house aspart of the divorce. I am still in touch with Lynn and will get an address for him. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Dec 16, 2017 9:39 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller Anyone have an address for him? I was going to send him a Christmas card but did not have any directories old Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows ================= Date: 17 Dec 2017 12:52:47 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Bob Feller White Back? From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 10:25:27 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1960 Topps Waivers From: joe8941@aol.com Hey all, recently picked up a bunch of 1960 Topps baseball. Got a bunch extra for the group. Probably wait about 48 hours and spread them around to as many as possible so get your claims in. 1 Wynn, 2, 3, 5, 7 Mays/Rigney, 8, 12, 14, 15, 17, 18 Dodgers TC, 19, 22, 24, 25, 27, 32, 34, 37, 42, 43 Senators TC, 44, 45, 54, 56, 57, 60, 62, 63, 64, 65, 68, 70, 72 Tigers TC, 79, 83, 87, 88, 95, 100 Fox, 109, 112, 128, 130, 142, 151 Giants TC, 157, 158, 164 Reds TC, 171, 172, 174 Indians TC, 186, 196, 204, 208 White Sox TC, 209, 213, 219, 220, 221, 223, 224, 235, 240 Aparicio, 242 Cards TC, 244, 245, 255, 257, 259, 267, 284, 289, 345, 355, 389 Aparicio WS Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:29:23 -0800 To: Ramblings OBC , Subject: Two Waivers From: John Stamper 1952 262...In RUFF condition- A real dog. 1959 414...trimmed to 52 Bowman size. John Stamper ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 11:37:59 -0800 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Two Waivers From: John Stamper It's a 1952 Topps And one more 1959 Topps 361...trimmed John Stamper > On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:29 AM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: > 1952 262...In RUFF condition- A real dog. > 1959 414...trimmed to 52 Bowman size. > John Stamper ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 12:20:30 -0800 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Two Waivers From: John Stamper All claimed!! John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 > On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:37 AM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It's a 1952 Topps > And one more 1959 Topps 361...trimmed > FCFS > John Stamper >> On Dec 17, 2017, at 11:29 AM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: >> 1952 262...In RUFF condition- A real dog. >> 1959 414...trimmed to 52 Bowman size. >> John Stamper ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 15:48:28 -0500 To: brightair@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I received a text back from Lynn today. He is not moving yet, but his PO will no be changing anyways: PO Box 9816, Las Vegas, NV 89191. HIs cell phone #702-538-4961. text works great, just let him know who you are in the text message. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 16, 2017 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller I will be visiting Vegas in a few weeks and would like contact info for Lynn as well in case I have a chance to meet up. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2017 9:45 PM To: mzentko@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller Lynn is getting ready to move again I believe. He had to sell the house aspart of the divorce. I am still in touch with Lynn and will get an address for him. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Dec 16, 2017 9:39 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] address for Lynn Miller Anyone have an address for him? I was going to send him a Christmas card but did not have any directories old Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:08:43 -0600 Subject: 77 topps football - 1 left From: mark zentkovich 380 Dave Casper Can anyone help? Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: 17 Dec 2017 23:20:17 +0000 To: Subject: OBC Certified Dealers From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 17:30:31 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 77 topps football - 1 left From: mark zentkovich Thank you Ed Hutchinson! Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2017 5:08 PM To: yahoogroups Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 77 topps football - 1 left 380 Dave Casper Can anyone help? Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 21:09:02 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers From: ShoelessWes I know the name. If i saw a photo of him, i'd surely recognize him from strongsville. Wes Shepard > On Dec 17, 2017, at 6:20 PM, drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I'm not sure what the actual procedure is, but I would like to officially nominate Stan Loch as an OBC Certified dealer. His website is www.stansvintagesportscards.com > but I have to admit that I've never looked at it. He's from the Cleveland area, his wife is a dealer at the Casino in downtown Cleveland. He does all of the Strongsville shows, and he has done a few East Coast shows (Philly, I think?) and I think that a lot of guys know him. He has a crap ton of inventory, and usually gives pretty good deals. He has some OBC boxes that he brings with him. > I just finished off my 1951 Bowman football set at a show today in Canton, and was talking to him about error cards. He wants to get George Vrechek's book that I carry with me, and I've reached out to George. I th ink a few other guys know Stan as well as I do, maybe a few more comments? > What do I need to do to get the ball rolling? > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2017 22:25:53 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers From: Ken M   I will also vouch for Stan Loch. He has a lot of the lower grade stuff we like (neatly organized for the most part) and his prices are negotiable. He's asked me a few times what I wanted to pay for a particular card I inquired about (although he doesn't always accept my lowball offer, since it's usually something for the dupes box). He's willing to work with you on prices, especially if you're buying a bunch of stuff (which I usually do). He does have a few 'up to 90% off' boxes, which will yield a gem or two on occasion. Thumbs up from me, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Dec 17, 2017 6:20 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers I'm not sure what the actual procedure is, but I would like to officially nominate Stan Loch as an OBC Certified dealer. His website is www.stansvintagesportscards.com but I have to admit that I've never looked at it. He's from the Cleveland area, his wife is a dealer at the Casino in downtown Cleveland. He does all of the Strongsville shows, and he has done a few East Coast shows (Philly, I think?) and I think that a lot of guys know him. He has a crap ton of inventory, and usually gives pretty good deals. He has some OBC boxes that he brings with him.      I just finished off my 1951 Bowman football set at a show today in Canton, and was talking to him about error cards. He wants to get George Vrechek's book that I carry with me, and I've reached out to George. I think a few other guys know Stan as well as I do, maybe a few more comments?      What do I need to do to get the ball rolling? Sam Taylor ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 03:26:31 +0000 Subject: card shops between here and there... From: Aaron Shirley Going from Centralia IL to Charleston SC. Any good card shops between here and there? We go through Paducah, Nashville, Chattanooga, Atlanta, Augusta,Columbia. There used to be a card shop in North Charleston, but anything within quick travel of Charleston SC is now closed, or I'm not aware of it. Also, if you're anywhere near Charleston and would like to meet up, that might be fun. We'll be there several days. Text my cell if you'd like: 618-509-3600. ================= To: Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 02:11:56 -0500 Subject: Added a new set... From: "Sal Domino" That I didn't know I had to add. Seems that the 1977-78 Topps basketball set came in White and Gray backs. So I added ANOTHER complete set to do because of this. Grrrrrr! Now I have to go thru my Knicks set to see which ones I have. New term for our dictionary. OBC-OCD- Those that collect variations of ANY set they are doing. A collection is not complete unless all variations are found to make a master set (Not including 1960 Fleer #80, 1958 Herrera, 1957 Baker). On the good news side, Santa just dropped off a box from his workshop in NC! Funny thing is I just watched Bull Durham tonight for the 800th time this winter and I was wearing my Bulls cap when I got hit in the face with a softball 10 years ago. 7 more days until I can rip into it! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 09:29:58 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Added a new set... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The gray backs are tougher to find. A few of us are down to just a couple of gray backs to finish our master sets: I need 50 McGinnis 100 Erving,and have white backs to swap for them Mark Talbot needs 20 Maravich and 50 McGinnis. He is also looking to upgrade 69 Boerwinkle. Sam Taylor needs 27 of them. I am sure others are working on them, but notice the 3 above are all members of FOOT. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Dec 18, 2017 2:12 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Added a new set... That I didn=E2=99t know I had to add. Seems that the 1977-78 Topps basketball set came in White and Gray backs. So I added ANOTHER complete set to do because of this. Grrrrrr! Now I have to go thru my Knicks set to see which ones I have. New term for our dictionary=E2=A6 OBC-OCD- Those that collect variations of ANY set they are doing. A collection is not complete unless all variations are found to make a master set (Not including 1960 Fleer #80, 1958 Herrera, 1957 Baker). On the good news side, Santa just dropped off a box from his workshop in NC! Funny thing is I just watched Bull Durham tonight for the 800th time thiswinter and I was wearing my Bulls cap when I got hit in the face with a softball 10 years ago. 7 more days until I can rip into it! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 20:54:08 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Who collects Wings Friend or Foe? From: As some of you know, I decided to put together a set of the Wings Friend or Foe as a retirement gift for a friend at work who is a huge plane buff. Well, I started by buying lots, and of course, I ended up with dupes. I thought the set was kind of neat, so, after I finished his set I decided to build one of my own. I'm down to the last 33, but that isn't what this note is about--it's about the dupes that I've picked up trying to finish my set. So, rather than scour through wantlists, if you are collecting this set, let me know and I'll see what I can do. Bob N ================= Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2017 18:22:54 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-DealerScum] Re: 1975 TOPPS SETS clearance sale! 3 sets From: Ken M There HAS TO BE a good story behind the random guy at a gas station buying a set. Care to share or will I have to track you down at the Nationals next year? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-DealerScum] Date: Mon, Dec 18, 2017 5:50 PMTo: OBC-DealerScum@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-DealerScum] Re: 1975 TOPPS SETS clearance sale! 3 sets left! Set 3 SOLD!Set 4 $150Set 5 $130Aaron Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2017, at 2:44 PM, Aaron Shirley wrote: Alright, it’s time for the...“DELIVERY-AFTER-CHRISTMAS”“AARON-WANTS-TO-BE-DONE”“WHILE-THEY-LAST”“I’M-GONNA-TRY-TO-SELL-THESE-LOCALLY-WHILE-ON-VACATION”sale. All remaining sets just went down a whole price bracket!Set 3 just $170.Set 4 just $150.Set 5 just $130.Set 6 just sold in the Exxon parking lot in Chattanooga TN. Not kidding. The others are available until I find another guy in a random gas station with cash.All other details the same.BlessingsAaron Sent from my iPhone On Dec 12, 2017, at 8:00 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-DealerScum] wrote:  Prices lowered again Dec 12, now only 4 sets left. Order yours by DEC 15 before I go on vacation!1975 TOPPS COMPLETE SETSSET 3: $190SET 4: $170SET 5: $150SET 6: $130Pics available here:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18Qp06nVPFBkgZRc-_-Xc-3OPqgAR35py?usp=sharingAll prices include shipping and reasonable insurance. All sets are complete at 660 cards. Find what fits your budget: you may purchase ANY of the sets, not just the next one down. All profits go to OBC treasury for scholarships to National and other benevolent use as AC determines.The first deposit of $500 to the OBC treasury has just been sent tonight!You can claim any item by emailing/texting/FB posting "I will buy set x." I will message you back to let you know if it is still available and give you instructions on payment. Your item is then marked SOLD once the correct fee-free PayPal payment has been made to me at the email address below (or if PayPal is NOT an option, once you have specified check or mone y order).TO BID OR TO GET CURRENT INFO:email:uthminsta@hotmail.comtext: 618-509-3600 (please do not call)Facebook: post only on THIS thread, or send me a direct message.Questions, just email, FB or text! Aaron Shirley Posted by: Aaron Shirley > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 01:20:47 +0000 Subject: An artistic offering for you all! From: Patrick Wattigny Someone obviously took the time to mark Gil Hodges=92 untimely 1972 death on this card. Does anybody need #460 from the 1961 Topps set?[Image] Fr. Pat Get Outlook for iOS ================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 12:41:20 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1963 Topps variation From: Raymond Luurs Can anyone send me a picture of Georges side by side picture of 11 variations. Am I looking at small picture or the big one for the stripes and ebay doesnt help either unless it my eyes that are shot also I cant tell the difference. ================= Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:46:04 -0500 To: Raymond Luurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 Topps variation From: Joel Freedman http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Errors.cfm/sid/60/1963-Topps On Dec 19, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Can anyone send me a picture of Georges side by side picture of 11 variations. Am I looking at small picture or the big one for the stripes and ebay doesnt help either unless it my eyes that are shot also I cant tell thedifference. > Ray ================= To: Date: Tue, 19 Dec 2017 20:41:44 -0800 Subject: Re: 1963 Topps variation From: "George Vrechek" This is also on the library page article, but as you noted much harder to see. I look for the right, left and top edges to find the small cropping differences. On the rookie card it is the location of the heads in the circles that differ. ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Dealer Scum Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 21:52:23 +0000 Subject: 1975 project news! From: Aaron Shirley I just sent the second $500 installment to treasurer Bob Donaldson. That means $1000 is now in the coffers for future benevolent use! Only set 5 is left, and once it's sold and all the sets have been mailed, the remaining funds will be sent and I'll let you know the final tally. Speaking of SET 5, how bout somebody buys it? New price. The first $120 PayPal takes it. Click the link below to check out the big stars. Keep in mind, you are looking at the pics for SET 5, as the others have been sold. https://drive.google.com/open?id1xs1PkyrTa26U2WZoa1lhaLfBNuy8J-I7 ================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 17:09:43 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: NFL PLayoff Pool - 2nd Call From: Gary Mandell Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested.It is a very fun format where you always have one playeractive from each team in each game.We have had over a dozenparticipants for severalyears, and hope to exceed that total this year. We have several signed up already. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated.But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough.And if your home town or other favorite teamis out of it (Bears and Browns for me), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! Because of numerous issues using trading cards as prizes in the past, this year will be a cash only tournament, and the entry fee is $5. You mayonly have one entry. The playoff schedule won't be finalized until December 31, but if the playoffs were to start this weekend, the lineup would look like this: AFC Week 1 (January 6 and 7):6 Bills at 3 Jaguars, 5 Titans at 4 Chiefs, 1 Patriots and 2 Steelers BYE (Four other teams still in the hunt: BAL, LAC, OAK, MIA) AFC Week 2 (January 13 and 14):1 Patriots at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Steelers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3 (January 21):Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining NFC Week 1 (January 6 and 7):6 Falcons at 3 Rams, 5 Panthers at4 Saints, 1 Eagles and 2 Vikings BYE (Three other teams still in the hunt:DET, SEA, DAL) NFC Week 2 (January 13 and 14):1 Eagles at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Vikings at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3 (January 21):Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining Super Bowl Week 4 (February 4):Super Bowl The weekend of January 6-7 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams:Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs.Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool).In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points.These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this:QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Passing:Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points foran interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving:Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing orreceiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking:Field Goals:<31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard.Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point.PAT1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive scores, including returning a kickoff, punt failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions for a touchdown or a safety. Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams.The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season(four Tie Breaker:Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry.If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries):Overall winner will get 60% of the prize pool, 2nd place gets 30% and 3rd place gets10%. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early.Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Deadline: Your roster picks and $5 entry fee via PayPal Friends and Family or Zelle must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 6 at Noon Central Time.Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed.(if you do not have Paypalor Zelle, please email me in advance to make other arrangements). I'm looking forward to the pool, and a Happy Holiday season to you and yourfamilies! Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Wed, 20 Dec 2017 20:58:27 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A Buckeye state Secret Santa From: chris tripler I received a package yesterday from Ohio, I almost tore into it! But, I'll wait till Xmas... Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 01:55:59 -0500 Subject: I swear some of these just piss me off From: "Sal Domino" Take a look. Many of you have this card, as I gave it away at the 2016 National. Notice the "Wagner Estate" on the back.. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner-T-206-Tobacco-Baseball-Card-The-Holy-G Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off From: Ken M It's being sold as a reprint... Except for the price. It also has "Make an Offer" available. What's the going rate for a distressed reprint? I think a penny is too much, especially with $30 in shipping tacked on. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 1:56 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off Take a look. Many of you have this card, as I gave it away at the 2016 National. Notice the “Wagner Estate” on the back….  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner-T-206-Tobacco-Baseball-Card-The-Holy-Grail-1910-1911/192390274916?_trkparms=aid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3D5db8bf5c2b4c4ea68e0fe980ca1a29a6%26pid%3D100012%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D12%26sd%3D162802684790&_trksid=p2047675.c100012.m1985  I suggest you sell yours as soon as possible LOL! Sal DominoOBC - 1992https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/  ================= Date: 21 Dec 2017 12:22:21 +0000 To: Subject: Good price BIN 1969 Man on the Moon set From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:44:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off From: "Sal Domino" I just love when they say=E2=A6 I found it in an attic (garage, litter box, toxic waste dump), but I=E2=99m not a grader and I=E2=99m not sure, so I=E2=99m selling as a reprint. That card better weigh about 89 lbsfor that kind of shipping! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:15 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off It's being sold as a reprint... Except for the price. It also has "Make an Offer" available. What's the going rate for a distressed reprint? I think apenny is too much, especially with $30 in shipping tacked on. Ken M Sent from my not so smar t phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 1:56 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off Take a look. Many of you have this card, as I gave it away at the 2016 National. Notice the =E2=9CWagner Estate=E2=9D on the back=E2=A6. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner-T-206-Tobacco-Baseball-Card-The-Holy-Grail-1910-1911/192390274916?_trkparmsaid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26= &_trksidp2047675.c100012.m1985 I suggest you sell yours as soon as possible LOL! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ < /div> ================= To: "'Sal Domino'" , Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 10:09:22 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off From: "Grant Rainsley" Amazing that just the borders were singed, and the portrait remained intact=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6And if you are lucky enough to live in Canada, it=E2=99s only $58 (U.S.) for shipping=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.another example of a Shrewd Rainsley Investment! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: December 21, 2017 9:45 AM To: 'Ken M'; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off I just love when they say=E2=A6 I found it in an attic (garage, litter box, toxic waste dump), but I=E2=99m not a grader and I=E2=99m not sure, so I=E2=99m selling as a reprint. That card better weigh about 89 lbsfor that kind of shipping! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 2:15 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off It's being sold as a reprint... Except for the price. It also has "Make an Offer" available. What's the going rate for a distressed reprint? I think apenny is too much, especially with $30 in shipping tacked on. Ken M Sent from my not so smar t phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 1:56 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off Take a look. Many of you have this card, as I gave it away at the 2016 National. Notice the =E2=9CWagner Estate=E2=9D on the back=E2=A6. https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner-T-206-Tobacco-Baseball-Card-The-Holy-Grail-1910-1911/192390274916?_trkparmsaid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%26= &_trksidp2047675.c100012.m1985 I suggest you sell yours as soon as possible LOL! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ < /div> This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ================= Date: 21 Dec 2017 18:42:00 +0000 To: Subject: OBC ebay From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 11:33:16 -0800 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I swear some of these just piss me off From: James Silva Clearly it was protected in some kind of lead casing, but since those (baseball card specific lead casing) are expensive they couldn=E2=99t afford enough lead to protect the whole card and wisely chose to protect the portrait. Then they kindly included the lead along with the card so that you toocan protect your card from radiation burns (at least the portrait)! How doyou guys find this stuff? Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D (but not from radiation) Silva #25 > On Dec 20, 2017, at 10:55 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Take a look. Many of you have this card, as I gave it away at the 2016 National. Notice the =E2=9CWagner Estate=E2=9D on the back=E2=A6. > https://www.ebay.com/itm/Honus-Wagner-T-206-Tobacco-Baseball-Card-The-Holy-Grail-1910-1911/192390274916?_trkparmsaid%3D777003%26algo%3DDISCL.MBE%= 85 I suggest you sell yours as soon as possible LOL! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:43:33 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 57 topps baseball christmas waiver From: JDahms ================= To: Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 12:46:21 -0800 Subject: Non-Sport section of the Library Page From: "George Vrechek" Like several of our members, I have been enticed into collecting a few non-sport sets. I also subscribe to The Wrapper magazine which is a refreshing, collector-oriented non-sport card publication that Les Davis has kept going since the 1970s. Davis recently requested articles from subscribers. As Buck Barker once wrote, once you run out of things to easily collect, you a reduced to being a hobby writer. I submitted two articles to The Wrapper, and the first one (The World's Great Explorers and Arctic Scenes) was published this month, and is now posted on our library page. We started a new section called "Non-Sport Cards" on the library page, which I realize is off-track from our initial purpose in life which is to collect old baseball cards. However, we include non-sport cards in our who collects what section and even recognize significant OBC non-sport collectors in an extremely small way on our Set Collectors Recognition Level page. If anyone else has written something about vintage non-sport cards and would like to share the information on the OBC site, let me know. Incidentally, I'm a real novice at non-sport cards. I only have about half of the two sets I wrote about, as if I knew what I was doing. However acquiring a few cards from 1910 for only a few dollars is too irresistible to an OBC collector. And then, of course, I have to write about the George Vrechek ================= To: "rlabs1@yahoo.com" Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 22:10:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 14:57:15 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re non sports library From: Larry Tipton I enjoyed your Wrapper article George. I actually bought an add in the Wrapper this month, it appears on the page where your item ends. =E2=9CHelp me finish my sets=E2=9D and I=E2=99ve gotten a couple of leads so far. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:23:04 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay From: Doug DeJong Or sell the rights to use the term "OBC" in his ads for some exorbitant amount, say $1.5 million. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Perhaps we should give him an =E2=9Cofficial notice=E2=9D that we don=E2=99t want to be associated with him in any way. Something-something-intellectual-property-something.=E2=9D > Aaron > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2017, at 1:42 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> I go to eBay and then sports me, cards and fan shop and type in OBC.It usually is interesting to look at - most of the cards were put up by Chandyand Tampa Bay. However now, Toppsaholic is posting stuff with OBC in the title. >> Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 15:57:44 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Lift top football coke caps From: Rick Didn't see these in the price guide is there a premium for them over regular coke caps. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 18:58:28 -0500 To: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay From: Anson Whaley That's about how much he was initially asking for his Wagner German Stamp so it could be a trade opportunity. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2017, at 6:23 PM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Or sell the rights to use the term "OBC" in his ads for some exorbitant amount, say $1.5 million. > Sent from my iPad >> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Perhaps we should give him an =E2=9Cofficial notice=E2=9D that we don=E2=99t want to be associated with him in any way. Something-something-intellectual-property-something.=E2=9D >> Aaron >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 21, 2017, at 1:42 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> I go to eBay and then sports me, cards and fan shop and type in OBC.Itusually is interesting to look at - most of the cards were put up by Chandy and Tampa Bay. However now, Toppsaholic is posting stuff with OBC in the title. >>> Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:00:22 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay From: Ken M Love the idea Doug! He'd probably offer up something equal for trade, like that German Wagner stamp ;-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 6:23 PMTo: Aaron Shirley;Cc: rlabs1@yahoo.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay Or sell the rights to use the term "OBC" in his ads for some exorbitant amount, say $1.5 million. Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Perhaps we should give him an “official notice” that we don’t want to be associated with him in any way. Something-something-intellectual-property-something.” Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2017, at 1:42 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  I go to eBay and  then sports me, cards and fan shop and type in OBC.It usually is interesting to look at - most of the cards were put up by Chandy and Tampa Bay. However now, Toppsaholic is posting stuff with OBC in the title. Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 16:29:23 -0800 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay From: Rick I second the idea who's are resident lawyer Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2017, at 4:00 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Love the idea Doug! He'd probably offer up something equal for trade, like that German Wagner stamp ;-) > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 6:23 PM > To: Aaron Shirley; > Cc: rlabs1@yahoo.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC ebay > Or sell the rights to use the term "OBC" in his ads for some exorbitant amount, say $1.5 million. > Sent from my iPad >> On Dec 21, 2017, at 5:10 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Perhaps we should give him an =E2=9Cofficial notice=E2=9D that we don=E2=99t want to be associated with him in any way. Something-something-intellectual-property-something.=E2=9D >> Aaron >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 21, 2017, at 1:42 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> blockquote type"cite"> >> I go to eBay and then sports me, cards and fan shop and type in OBC.It usually is interesting to look at - most of the cards were put up by Chandyand Tampa Bay. However now, Toppsaholic is posting stuff with OBC in the title. >> Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 19:59:59 -0500 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Lift top football coke caps From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Yes. About 2.5 times a regular cap. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 21, 2017 6:57 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Lift top football coke caps Didn't see these in the price guide is there a premium for them over regular coke caps. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 02:24:43 +0000 Subject: DEALER SCUM guide From: Aaron Shirley There has been some discussion amongst the Advisory Committee over the lastfew months about getting some communication out there to help us clarify the proper usage of the servers. Boy, that last sentence had a lot of clauses. So expect a few upcoming announcements, and PLEASE, JUST READ them. First up is the DEALER SCUM server; read about it below. If you have any questions about this or any server, or if you are not subscribed and want to be, email me. I'll do the Facilitator thing and get the right stuff directed to the right folks and whatnot. Aaron Shirley DEALER SCUM Group Description This is the Yahoo Groups home of OBC-DealerScum - a group for OBC members to offer cards for sale to other OBC members. This is an official OBC email group. The OBC-AC recognizes that members periodically sell cards to fund other card purchases or for other non-card needs. Our goal is to provide a forum where members may sell their extra cardsto other members in order to fulfill these needs. The group is strictly limited to OBC members, and any OBC member may opt-in or out of the group email at their discretion. Cards sold between members on this server are not meant for resale. Guidelines & rules for OBC-DealerScum are as follows: 1) Cards for sale must be pre-1981. Also, this is not eBay; cards should bepriced in the spirit that we are a community of collectors, and not tryingto gouge each other. Individual Topps or Bowman commons, or similarly cheap cards that typically flow freely on waiver wires should not be listed. 2) Once an item is posted for sale, all further communication shall be via private e-mail messages between the seller and prospective buyers. 3) At the conclusion of a successful purchase, thanks should be done via private e-mail messages between buyer and seller; parties are asked NOT to post thanks on the OBC-DealerScum email group. In other words, the only postings to OBC-DealerScum should be items for sale. 4) In the event of a dispute, the parties should first try to resolve theirissue among themselves. Any buyer may return an item for a full refund with no questions asked within two weeks of purchase. If the parties are unable to settle a dispute and the buyer does not request a refund, they may take their dispute to the AC. 5) Unless decided upon by the OBC-AC, NO AUCTIONS will be permitted on OBC-DealerScum. ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:30:11 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Come on, Chandy! From: Wayne Delia https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-Roger-Maris-1-off-grade-OBC/401394620709?hash=item5d74fbd925:g:2OsAAOSwcQlZp1Im I've got the 1962 Roger Maris #1 on my want list, and I saw Richard Labs' note about searching for OBC in the titles of eBay lots. The "book" I use is the 2014 SCD Vintage Baseball Cards, which lists it for $60 in VG condition. The pictured card in Chandy's lot appears to be Fair, at best, maybe F/G - severely off center, indentations from writing, rounded corners. My kinda card, but at thirty bucks, definitely not my kinda price. The card is iconic, sure, but even calling it Good condition, Chandy's asking what would be full book price, and target-marketing OBC because those poor saps will take cards in any crap condition. Such a bargain! I know Chandy's familiar with our group, donates "Chandy's Shit-Pile" to our National trading sessions, and has been an OBC "Certified Dealer" for many years, as has Uncle Dick DeCoursey. I see them at the bigger shows (mainly Philly, and National), and I even wear my ridiculously ill-fitting original maroon OBC hat and say "Hi, Uncle Dick, I'm Nephew Wayne" to Uncle Dick. But prices from both those guys are no real bargain lately, even after identifying ourselves as OBC. Chandy is right up front about it, in his comments on OBC Certified Dealers page he says "No....sorry, I don't have a special OBC price... I try to price everything to move and will give people my best price on anything that's not priced.." I'm guessing that his Maris isn't going to move. I think my recent experiences with Dave Estright (all good) changed my way of thinking about the OBC Certified Dealer status. Mac W, Matt Y, and I were oinking at Dave's pig trough at the last Valley Forge show. Dave had a really nice talk with me about how great the OBC group was, and he intentionally brings huge boxes of off-condition stuff at frankly great prices just for us. Same with Mike McCann and Kurt Tourdot - these guys are legit OBC Certified Dealers. I bet at least some of the dealers on our certified list have way out of date contact information, and may not even be selling cards at all any more, much less still have an OBC discount It would be a good idea (I hope) to ask the OBC/AC to review the current list of OBC Certified Dealers, clean up outdated information, remove "inactives" or dealers no longer willing to cooperate with us, and use the title/classification as a mutually beneficial partnership with OBC. They give us a specific discount (which we could set as a suggested level), bring old, beat-up, commons/stars/high numbers/oddball cards, and let us know what shows they'll be coming to. In exchange, we give them access to our network of about 140 active members, and we "throw money at them" for the right mix of cards and prices. ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Dealer Scum Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 05:04:51 +0000 Subject: DEALER SCUM guide pt2 From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 21 Dec 2017 21:14:52 -0800 To: Wayne Delia Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! From: Rick I find the certified dealer list basically worthless but not because they aren't good guys/dealers or any other logical reason. It's because I live inthe northwest and have never meet or bought from any of them (except Mark Macrae). I have tried in the past to contact a few to see if it could be helpful but most never responded the couple that did was very short and went no where. Mark has a copy of inventory he can email you in many different categories prices/condition but I highly doubt these dealers are that organized. to determine if they have xxx card and guessing they feel (in general)not worth their time looking for a certain single. They want you to come to a show and you do the looking. So through email it has been painful. I was going to buy some hockey starter lots on eBay recently but thought Iwould try to buy from a certified dealer to throw some money their way first. contacted one I believed had some hockey and twice in emails I said I was looking for starter lots. he could pick the cards/year/set total random cards from 70's thru 1980 that he may want to unload since I basically had none. Just put together a box of stuff you want to sell and give me a price. After a week went by he sent me a list of singles in one year condition, book price and discount. The list came to about $45 as singles and I could buy the same as a lot for $10 on eBay. I politely said if your selling cards as singles then let me buy some lots first then I'll get back to you to fill in the gaps with your singles. I know I'm in the minority hope it helps you guys but I have struck out there. I can see how the list can be helpful in person but not thru emails. Back to Chandy years ago he had great prices on eBay and was probably my favorite seller but I don't think I have bought anything from him in five years. Not sure if that's because his prices are no longer cheap or he doesn't have anything I want. I wouldn't even say that's two cents worth. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-Roger-Maris-1-off-grade-OBC/401394620709?hashitem5d74fbd925:g:2OsAAOSwcQlZp1Im > I've got the 1962 Roger Maris #1 on my want list, and I saw Richard Labs'note about searching for OBC in the titles of eBay lots. The "book" I use is the 2014 SCD Vintage Baseball Cards, which lists it for $60 in VG condition. The pictured card in Chandy's lot appears to be Fair, at best, maybe F/G - severely off center, indentations from writing, rounded corners. My kinda card, but at thirty bucks, definitely not my kinda price. The card is iconic, sure, but even calling it Good condition, Chandy's asking what wouldbe full book price, and target-marketing OBC because those poor saps will take cards in any crap condition. Such a bargain! > I know Chandy's familiar with our group, donates "Chandy's Shit-Pile" to our National trading sessions, and has been an OBC "Certified Dealer" for many years, as has Uncle Dick DeCoursey. I see them at the bigger shows (mainly Philly, and National), and I even wear my ridiculously ill-fitting original maroon OBC hat and say "Hi, Uncle Dick, I'm Nephew Wayne" to Uncle Dick. But prices from both those guys are no real bargain lately, even after identifying ourselves as OBC. Chandy is right up front about it, in his comments on OBC Certified Dealers page he says "No....sorry, I don't have a special OBC price... I try to price everything to move and will give people mybest price on anything that's not priced.." I'm guessing that his Maris isn't going to move. > I think my recent experiences with Dave Estright (all good) changed my way of thinking about the OBC Certified Dealer status. Mac W, Matt Y, and I were oinking at Dave's pig trough at the last Valley Forge show. Dave had a really nice talk with me about how great the OBC group was, and he intentionally brings huge boxes of off-condition stuff at frankly great prices justfor us. Same with Mike McCann and Kurt Tourdot - these guys are legit OBC Certified Dealers. I bet at least some of the dealers on our certified listhave way out of date contact information, and may not even be selling cards at all any more, much less still have an OBC discount policy. > It would be a good idea (I hope) to ask the OBC/AC to review the current list of OBC Certified Dealers, clean up outdated information, remove "inactives" or dealers no longer willing to cooperate with us, and use the title/classification as a mutually beneficial partnership with OBC. They give us a specific discount (which we could set as a suggested level), bring old, beat-up, commons/stars/high numbers/oddball cards, and let us know what shows they'll be coming to. In exchange, we give them access to our network of about 140 active members, and we "throw money at them" for the right mix ofcards and prices. > Best, > WMD ================= Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 08:06:43 -0500 To: Wayne Delia Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! From: Doug DeJong I have also found Chandy's eBay prices to be head scratchers for his off grade stuff. However, at the shows he frequents on the region he is known for his quarter and dime boxes where he blows stuff out, and I have spent many an hour going through them and picking out great bargains. That is an especially enjoyable time when Taylor Schock is next to you helping find thereal Uncle Dick occasionally has some bargains but in general I agree with your assessment. The last show I was at I found one fifty cent card in Dicks stuff that I needed. He told me to keep the card and did t charge me, knowing I am in OBC. That was a small thing maybe but pretty cool in my book. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 21, 2017, at 9:30 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-Roger-Maris-1-off-grade-OBC/401394620709?hashitem5d74fbd925:g:2OsAAOSwcQlZp1Im > I've got the 1962 Roger Maris #1 on my want list, and I saw Richard Labs'note about searching for OBC in the titles of eBay lots. The "book" I use is the 2014 SCD Vintage Baseball Cards, which lists it for $60 in VG condition. The pictured card in Chandy's lot appears to be Fair, at best, maybe F/G - severely off center, indentations from writing, rounded corners. My kinda card, but at thirty bucks, definitely not my kinda price. The card is iconic, sure, but even calling it Good condition, Chandy's asking what wouldbe full book price, and target-marketing OBC because those poor saps will take cards in any crap condition. Such a bargain! > I know Chandy's familiar with our group, donates "Chandy's Shit-Pile" to our National trading sessions, and has been an OBC "Certified Dealer" for many years, as has Uncle Dick DeCoursey. I see them at the bigger shows (mainly Philly, and National), and I even wear my ridiculously ill-fitting original maroon OBC hat and say "Hi, Uncle Dick, I'm Nephew Wayne" to Uncle Dick. But prices from both those guys are no real bargain lately, even after identifying ourselves as OBC. Chandy is right up front about it, in his comments on OBC Certified Dealers page he says "No....sorry, I don't have a special OBC price... I try to price everything to move and will give people mybest price on anything that's not priced.." I'm guessing that his Maris isn't going to move. > I think my recent experiences with Dave Estright (all good) changed my way of thinking about the OBC Certified Dealer status. Mac W, Matt Y, and I were oinking at Dave's pig trough at the last Valley Forge show. Dave had a really nice talk with me about how great the OBC group was, and he intentionally brings huge boxes of off-condition stuff at frankly great prices justfor us. Same with Mike McCann and Kurt Tourdot - these guys are legit OBC Certified Dealers. I bet at least some of the dealers on our certified listhave way out of date contact information, and may not even be selling cards at all any more, much less still have an OBC discount policy. > It would be a good idea (I hope) to ask the OBC/AC to review the current list of OBC Certified Dealers, clean up outdated information, remove "inactives" or dealers no longer willing to cooperate with us, and use the title/classification as a mutually beneficial partnership with OBC. They give us a specific discount (which we could set as a suggested level), bring old, beat-up, commons/stars/high numbers/oddball cards, and let us know what shows they'll be coming to. In exchange, we give them access to our network of about 140 active members, and we "throw money at them" for the right mix ofcards and prices. > Best, > WMD ================= Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 09:35:02 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-dealerscum@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-DealerScum] DEALER SCUM guide pt2 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Please remember that if you believe someone is violating the spirit of the server rules to notify the AC, not the member directly. Your AC is: Sal Domino Joel Freedman Spike Glidden Ken Morganti Grant Rainsley Mike Rich Wes Shepard Facilitator: Aaron Shirley -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-DealerScum] To: OBC Ramblings ; Dealer Scum ; obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Dec 22, 2017 12:05 am Subject: [OBC-DealerScum] DEALER SCUM guide pt2 Dealer Scum Group Email Addresses Post Message :obc-dealerscum@yahoogroups.com Subscribe :obc-dealerscum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Unsubscribe :obc-dealerscum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com List Owner :obc-dealerscum-owner@yahoogroups.com Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2017, at 9:24 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Announcements] wrote: There has been some discussion amongst the Advisory Committee over the lastfew months about getting some communication out there to help us clarify the proper usage of the servers. Boy, that last sentence had a lot of clauses. So expect a few upcoming announcements, and PLEASE, JUST READ them. First up is the DEALER SCUM server; read about it below. If you have any questions about this or any server, or if you are not subscribed and want to be, email me. I'll do the Facilitator thing and get the right stuff directed to the right folks and whatnot. Aaron Shirley DEALER SCUM Group Description This is the Yahoo Groups home of OBC-DealerScum - a group for OBC members to offer cards for sale to other OBC members. This is an official OBC email group. The OBC-AC recognizes that members periodically sell cards to fund other card purchases or for other non-card needs. Our goal is to provide a forum where members may sell their extra cardsto other members in order to fulfill these needs. The group is strictly limited to OBC members, and any OBC member may opt-in or out of the group email at their discretion. Cards sold between members on this server are not meant for resale. Guidelines & rules for OBC-DealerScum are as follows: 1) Cards for sale must be pre-1981. Also, this is not eBay; cards should bepriced in the spirit that we are a community of collectors, and not tryingto gouge each other. Individual Topps or Bowman commons, or similarly cheap cards that typically flow freely on waiver wires should not be listed. 2) Once an item is posted for sale, all further communication shall be via private e-mail messages between the seller and prospective buyers. 3) At the conclusion of a successful purchase, thanks should be done via private e-mail messages between buyer and seller; parties are asked NOT to post thanks on the OBC-DealerScum email group. In other words, the only postings to OBC-DealerScum should be items for sale. 4) In the event of a dispute, the parties should first try to resolve theirissue among themselves. Any buyer may return an item for a full refund with no questions asked within two weeks of purchase. If the parties are unable to settle a dispute and the buyer does not request a refund, they may take their dispute to the AC. 5) Unless decided upon by the OBC-AC, NO AUCTIONS will be permitted on OBC-DealerScum. ================= To: Wayne Delia , Rick , Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 14:25:26 +0000 Subject: Re: Come on, Chandy! From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: 23 Dec 2017 01:36:51 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to OBC-Ramblings From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the OBC-Ramblings File : /__OBC Master list DEC 2017.doc Uploaded by : tomhousley_2000 Description : An in-progress and admittedly incomplete attempt to list everyone who has ever been an OBC member. Early records are hard to come by, so if you have revisions to this list, please let Tom Housley know. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/files/__OBC%20Master%20list%20DEC%202017.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 tomhousley_2000 ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 23:45:50 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Come on, Chandy! From: "Sal Domino" I think you put it perfectly. We build a relationship, we cultivate it. They may not do much on the mail order or ebay end (see Mike McCann who is self admittedly tech challenged lol). But he will always set aside boxes for us. We are well known and most of these dealers know we will bring the boys to the table. You good to us, we will be really good to you. Larrie Dean onthe other hand, hasn=E2=99t really done anything good for me personallyat a show. We forget about guys like Ron Estes and Bob McLean. The rare occasions I get to see them, they do right by me. I spend my first day at theNational shooting the days budget going thru Ron=E2=99s stuff. I leave him a large stack, tell him to take his time, price me out and I don=E2=99t even renegotiate with him. Mike McCann is a stud to me, he texts me when he has any questions about cards that I refer to the group (re: the Gehrig card). I am guaranteed to buy something from JD and Jack Kerekes. Kurt and Jerry are not only friends of OBC but friends to some of us also. Some of the best is just BSing with these guys while I sift through the bins. Andbeing a nice guy from our end sure doesn=E2=99t hurt when time comes topricing the stack. It=E2=99s relationship building. They know we are knowledgeable and fair. For the most part, they do the same for us. They =E2=9Cget=E2=9D us. Some are =E2=9Call-in=E2=9D on what we do as agroup. If that means I only see them once a year at the National and it pays off in my purchase of cardboard, it works for me. There are local guys Isee on LI and White Plains that may not know me by name, but they always see my hat and know I=E2=99m there to buy. I have gotten an extra 10% offfrom guys after a discount (Rob Fitts and Wayne know George in White Plains). We talk about our philosophy and they are interested. The guys on our list are basically what Brian said, favorites of ours. The ones off the listmany times become guys who get on the list. Most are basically =E2=9Cgoto=E2=9D guys at shows. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 9:25 AM To: Wayne Delia; Rick; BRIAN Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Come on, Chandy! I agree with a lot (most, all?) of what Rick and Brian are talking about here. The key is building a relationship with a dealer, which is MUCH easier to do in person. This applies to OBC certified dealers or not. Shoot, it applies to almost all aspects in life. LOL In my opinion, OBC certified dealers imply a couple things to me. 1) they deal with OBC condition cards, 2) they are reasonably priced, 3) they are generally pleasant and easy to work with. I don't assume I will necessarily get any additional OBC discount. And what is an OBC discount anyway? Don't dealers who do NOT deal in OBC material also provide discounts off their asking price (or off BV)? I know one local dealer who mainly dealers in NICE condition cards, that when he has 'off condition' stuff (meaning about EX), you can get fantastic deals on that stuff, way below BV and a much steeper discount than OBC dealers. Bottom line, if it's a card I need, in the condition I'm looking for, at a price I'm willing to pay, I'll buy the card. The mutual benefit of any previous rapport is I will probably get an additional break (my bennie), and I will come back (dealer's bennie). A few additional, specific items. Keep an eye on Chandy's listings. I'm notsure about ebay, but his model is to MOVE product, so he may drop the price if it doesn't move. At shows, his stuff goes from the $3 to $1 to quarterboxes if it doesn't sell. At the last show, Wes Starkey had some off-condition non-sports stuff I flipped through quickly but didn't pull (was going to look after going through the sports stuff). Chandy came over, flipped through it, and said to set it aside to see if they could work a deal for theentire box. Wes let me look through it to see what was there after Chandy left, and he ended up buying the box. Later in the show I stopped by Chandy's table again and asked where he had put the stuff he got from Wes and he offered that if there was anything I was interested in, he would let me have it for what Wes was asking. Yeah, I know he didn't pay the per-card pricefor the entire box, but it was a gesture he may not have made if we didn'thave that rapport. Which leads me to a couple other points. There are non-OBC certified dealers that are OBC friendly as well. Wes being a good example. He appreciates what OBC stands for but just doesn't (usually) have the material. Last year he provided us with (I think 3) National badges, at what I also believe may have been the cheapest prices. I also talked to him about Cleveland for THIS year and he will again be able to provide us with probably 3 or 4 badges as well (up to whatever his limit is). He is also trying to put together some OBC boxes for the National, dependingon what he ends up buying before then. His traveling buddy Ed Lawson is the same way, and I think Doug would confirm that from his '56 Mantle deal (I'm still jealous, j/k =8A ). From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of BRIAN familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 12:58 AM To: Wayne Delia; Rick Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! I agree with the OBC Certified thing being overrated. Getting a good deal at a show is completely different than buying online. Ashow should be easier to bargain at. There is a definite advantage to you guys in the east having easier access to card shows and many dealers within short driving distance. I=E2=99m not saying that having a program like that is a bad thing. I think any dealer who treats a buyer fairly , has an assortment of cards at sell prices ( not museum prices) should be recognized in a list of =E2=9Csuggested places to shop=E2=9D I think giving a discount is a transactional thing that you work out duringthe transaction...not expected, and not a condition of =E2=9Ccertification=E2=9D. We also tend to think that everyone wants off grade beater cards at >10% of=E2=9Cbook=E2=9D. That=E2=99s not what I look for in a dealer at all...I just want a chance to buy cards that I want for fair pricing and hopefully build a long termrelationship and have a contact to acquire future cards. OBC certified dealers might be able to do that, but so can a lot of others without being certified. I=E2=99m not likely to get to the shows where most of the OBC certified guys go, so maybe my experience isn=E2=99t typical among OBC...nor will my thoughts about it likely be very popular ( I think Rick and I are essentially saying the same thing though). Besides Mark (my personally certified guy:-) , I don=E2=99t think I havebought a single card from the certified guys, but I could suggest a bunchof dealers who are fair and have good, varied inventory. Probably most ofyou have your favorites both =E2=9Con and off the list=E2=9D . I=E2=99d like to see that compilation. Wow, I wrote a Morganti length email with just my index finger :-) OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Rick rick..lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Wayne Delia Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: December 21, 2017 at 9:17 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! I find the certified dealer list basically worthless but not because they aren't good guys/dealers or any other logical reason. It's because I live inthe northwest and have never meet or bought from any of them (except Mark Macrae). I have tried in the past to contact a few to see if it could be helpful but most never responded the couple that did was very short and went no where. Mark has a copy of inventory he can email you in many different categories prices/condition but I highly doubt these dealers are that organized. to determine if they have xxx card and guessing they feel (in general)not worth their time looking for a certain single. They want you to come to a show and you do the looking. So through email it has been painful. I was going to buy some hockey starter lots on eBay recently but thought Iwould try to buy from a certified dealer to throw some money their way first. contacted one I believed had some hockey and twice in emails I said I was looking for starter lots. he could pick the cards/year/set total random cards from 70's thru 1980 that he may want to unload since I basically had none. Just put together a box of stuff you want to sell and give me a price. After a week went by he sent me a list of singles in one year condition, book price and discount. The list came to about $45 as singles and I could buy the same as a lot for $10 on eBay. I politely said if your selling cards as singles then let me buy some lots first then I'll get back to you to fill in the gaps with your singles. I know I'm in the minority hope it helps you guys but I have struck out there.. I can see how the list can be helpful in person but not thru emails. Back to Chandy years ago he had great prices on eBay and was probably my favorite seller but I don't think I have bought anything from him in five years. Not sure if that's because his prices are no longer cheap or he doesn't have anything I want. I wouldn't even say that's two cents worth. Rick Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-Roger-Maris-1-off-grade-OBC/401394620709?hashitem5d74fbd925:g:2OsAAOSwcQlZp1Im I've got the 1962 Roger Maris #1 on my want list, and I saw Richard Labs' note about searching for OBC in the titles of eBay lots. The "book" I use isthe 2014 SCD Vintage Baseball Cards, which lists it for $60 in VG condition. The pictured card in Chandy's lot appears to be Fair, at best, maybe F/G- severely off center, indentations from writing, rounded corners. My kinda card, but at thirty bucks, definitely not my kinda price. The card is iconic, sure, but even calling it Good condition, Chandy's asking what would be full book price, and target-marketing OBC because those poor saps will take cards in any crap condition. Such a bargain! I know Chandy's familiar with our group, donates "Chandy's Shit-Pile" to our National trading sessions, and has been an OBC "Certified Dealer" for many years, as has Uncle Dick DeCoursey. I see them at the bigger shows (mainly Philly, and National), and I even wear my ridiculously ill-fitting original maroon OBC hat and say "Hi, Uncle Dick, I'm Nephew Wayne" to Uncle Dick.But prices from both those guys are no real bargain lately, even after identifying ourselves as OBC. Chandy is right up front about it, in his comments on OBC Certified Dealers page he says "No....sorry, I don't have a special OBC price... I try to price everything to move and will give people my best price on anything that's not priced.." I'm guessing that his Maris isn't going to move. I think my recent experiences with Dave Estright (all good) changed my way of thinking about the OBC Certified Dealer status. Mac W, Matt Y, and I were oinking at Dave's pig trough at the last Valley Forge show. Dave had a really nice talk with me about how great the OBC group was, and he intentionally brings huge boxes of off-condition stuff at frankly great prices just for us. Same with Mike McCann and Kurt Tourdot - these guys are legit OBC Certified Dealers. I bet at least some of the dealers on our certified list have way out of date contact information, and may not even be selling cards at all any more, much less still have an OBC discount policy. It would be a good idea (I hope) to ask the OBC/AC to review the current list of OBC Certified Dealers, clean up outdated information, remove "inactives" or dealers no longer willing to cooperate with us, and use the title/classification as a mutually beneficial partnership with OBC. They give us a specific discount (which we could set as a suggested level), bring old, beat-up, commons/stars/high numbers/oddball cards, and let us know what shows they'll be coming to. In exchange, we give them access to our network of about 140 active members, and we "throw money at them" for the right mix of cards and prices. ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2017 23:56:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! From: "Sal Domino" This makes me miss Gar Miller. I would MAIL him my list, tell him how much I wanted to spend on that go around and he would send me cards from the list. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 22, 2017 12:15 AM To: Wayne Delia Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! I find the certified dealer list basically worthless but not because they aren't good guys/dealers or any other logical reason. It's because I live inthe northwest and have never meet or bought from any of them (except Mark Macrae). I have tried in the past to contact a few to see if it could be helpful but most never responded the couple that did was very short and went no where. Mark has a copy of inventory he can email you in many different categories prices/condition but I highly doubt these dealers are that organized. to determine if they have xxx card and guessing they feel (in general)not worth their time looking for a certain single. They want you to come to a show and you do the looking. So through email it has been painful. I was going to buy some hockey starter lots on eBay recently but thought Iwould try to buy from a certified dealer to throw some money their way first. contacted one I believed had some hoc key and twice in emails I said I was looking for starter lots. he could pick the cards/year/set total randomcards from 70's thru 1980 that he may want to unload since I basically hadnone. Just put together a box of stuff you want to sell and give me a price. After a week went by he sent me a list of singles in one year condition,book price and discount. The list came to about $45 as singles and I couldbuy the same as a lot for $10 on eBay. I politely said if your selling cards as singles then let me buy some lots first then I'll get back to you to fill in the gaps with your singles. I know I'm in the minority hope it helps you guys but I have struck out there. I can see how the list can be helpful in person but not thru emails. Back to Chandy years ago he had great prices on eBay and was probably my favorite seller but I don't think I have bought anything from him in five years. Not sure if that's because his prices are no longer c heap or he doesn't have anything I want. I wouldn't even say that's two cents worth. Rick Sent from my iPad On Dec 21, 2017, at 6:30 PM, Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: https://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-Topps-Roger-Maris-1-off-grade-OBC/401394620709?hashitem5d74fbd925:g:2OsAAOSwcQlZp1Im I've got the 1962 Roger Maris #1 on my want list, and I saw Richard Labs' note about searching for OBC in the titles of eBay lots. The "book" I use isthe 2014 SCD Vintage Baseball Cards, which lists it for $60 in VG condition. The pictured card in Chandy's lot appears to be Fair, at best, maybe F/G- severely off center, indentations from writing, rounded corners. My kinda card, but at thirty bucks, definitely not my kinda price. The card is iconic, sure, but even calling it Good condition, Chandy's asking what would be full book price, and target-marketing OBC because those poor saps will take cards in any crap condition. Such a bargain! I know Chandy' s familiar with our group, donates "Chandy's Shit-Pile" to our National trading sessions, and has been an OBC "Certified Dealer" for many years, as has Uncle Dick DeCoursey. I see them at the bigger shows (mainly Philly, and National), and I even wear my ridiculously ill-fitting original maroon OBC hat and say "Hi, Uncle Dick, I'm Nephew Wayne" to Uncle Dick. But prices from both those guys are no real bargain lately, even after identifying ourselves as OBC. Chandy is right up front about it, in his comments on OBC Certified Dealers page he says "No....sorry, I don't have a special OBC price... I try to price everything to move and will give people my best price on anything that's not priced.." I'm guessing that his Maris isn't going to move. I think my recent experiences with Dave Estright (all good) changed my way of thinking about the OBC Certified Dealer status. Mac W, Matt Y, and I were oinking at Dave's pig trough at the last Valley Forge show. Dave had a really nice talk with me about how great the OBC group was, and he intentionally brings huge boxes of off-condition stuff at frankly great prices just for us. Same with Mike McCann and Kurt Tourdot - these guys are legit OBC Certified Dealers. I bet at least some of the dealers on our certified list have way out of date contact information, and may not even be selling cards at all any more, much less still have an OBC discount policy. It would be a good idea (I hope) to ask the OBC/AC to review the current list of OBC Certified Dealers, clean up outdated information, remove "inactives" or dealers no longer willing to cooperate with us, and use the title/classification as a mutually beneficial partnership with OBC. They give us a specific discount (which we could set as a suggested level), bring old, beat-up, commons/stars/high numbers/oddball cards, and let us know what shows they'll be coming to. In exchange, we give them acc ess to our network of about 140 active members, and we "throw money at them" for the right mix of cards and prices. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:23:45 +0000 Subject: Anyone heard from SEAN SCHUETTPELZ? From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:00:28 +0000 Subject: Double Play questions From: Aaron Shirley Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card withyou? ================= To: Bob Donaldson , OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 17:23:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: Aaron Shirley Bob D told me to go first. Well... it's tricky. It could be Carl Woodrome, because he's local to me and I got him to apply. Father Pat is a pastor, kinda like me. But I'm Protestant, haha! Mark Zentkovich is a Cardinal guy like me... Bob Reed was my mentor... Lynn Miller was the first OBCer I met... but I think he'd be on some sort of "legends" subset with someone else on his awesome So... after all those honorable mentions, I'd choose Mike Rumley-Wells because I really like the guy, and when we went to the National together this past summer, that was probably the best card time I've had in my entire life. Up until 3am sorting cards and trying to find handshakes, talking about our ministries and life in general... Reggie Jackson and the Bronx Zoo... how crazy our hobby is... musing on the different ways all you guys focus your collections... those were some good days. Too few and too long until we could do it again. Okay now, go ahead and make fun of my "man crush!" But if you do, you gottawrite your list too! From: Bob Donaldson Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:02 AM To: 'Aaron Shirley' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions You go first :) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:00 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card withyou? ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 13:40:55 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: Ken M   I thought of a couple people, but then realized it was already decided. I originally thought of Steve Rottenberg, who shared a vacation with me. We rode around in my Toyota Camry, which he referred to as the "General Lee", since the passenger side door wouldn't open. Our vacation basically consisted of going from town to town, visiting card shops/shows and meeting a few OBC'ers along the way. I think we went from Silver Spring to Charlotte (with a stop in SC as well) and back again.  Then I thought of former OBC'er Joe Cerullo. We joined around the same time and he was the first one I ever met (officially. I actually met Andy Baran who was dating my cousin at the time. We went to a show/auction years before either one of us joined OBC - probably before there was an OBC).  But then I realized I'd probably want card #6, so whoever was picked for card #5 would be it. I'm guessing that would be the closest OBC'er to me: Spike Glidden, who I assume would request that number. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 12:10 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design?Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card with you?Aaron ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 13:43:32 -0500 To: OBC-DealerScum Subject: Waiver wire From: Rob Bessette These will go out Tuesday. Let me know if you like any and please include your 1952 Topps 120 (Trimmed all the way around) 1954 Topps 41 1958 Topps 49, 69 1960 Topps 4, 5, 13, 19, 30, 37, 44, 78, 79, 88, 96, 207, 213, 214, 215, 235, 257, 282 1961 Topps 9, 17, 147, 233, 269, 274, 276 1964 Topps 238 1966 Topps 390 Brooks Robinson (missing a whole corner) 1967 Topps Pin up Posters Joe Pepitone 1968 Topps Game 19, 21 1969 Topps Deckle 2, 5, 7, 15, 17, 18, 30 ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 13:44:33 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The 1979 HRT/RES 1950 Phillies/A's Doubleheader cards followed the 1941 Double Play format. The 1986 Dormand Cheese are color photos but remind me a little of the Double Play design. With the schizophrenic nature of some guys in the group, they could appear with themselves. Since the Double Plays were issued with 2 guys on the same team on the panel, I would have to be on with a member of FOOT. Mark Talbot, Sam Taylor and Ron Perry have similar collecting habits and would be agood fit. Glenn Codere and I are around the same age and would also be a good Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 12:10 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card withyou? ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:06:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: "Sal Domino" Well this is an easy one. Kent Goto and myself go all the way back to Prodigy days. We have shared our National vacations pretty much for the past 12-15 years. We have shared rental cars, and have visited just about all the sites you can see at each National. Best are watching his sister walk to Wrigley from the bus we took and sharing sushi when we can find it (that last place in Chicago was awesome!). Since I have always worn #1 playing any sport I have, we would be #1/2 on the Double Play set. And being the first card, you know it would fit that we would be tattered and rubber banned (sincewe pretty much are that way now=E2=94well Kent is, I still look pretty good!) Why do I feel Tom is reading this and has his mind racing? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 1:45 PM To: uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions The 1979 HRT/RES 1950 Phillies/A's Doubleheader cards followed the 1941 Double Play format. The 1986 Dormand Cheese are color photos but remind me a little of the Double Play design. With the schizophrenic nature of some guys in the group, they could appear with themselves. Since the Double Plays were issued with 2 guys on the same team on the panel, I would have to be on with a member of FOOT. Mark Talbot, Sam Taylor and Ron Perry have similar collecting habits and would be agood fit. Glenn Codere and I are around the same age and would also be a good Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 23, 2017 12:10 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card withyou? ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 11:58:49 -0800 To: Sal Domino , 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Come on, Chandy! From: wite3 ================= To: Aaron Shirley , Bob Donaldson , Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 14:14:07 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: mark zentkovich Good idea=E2=A6if someone were to create cards like this, I would sure buy a few with proceeds going to the creator or a charity or OBC treasury orsomething Instead of Topps now printing cards on demand, we could have OBC now with cards on demand during a specific time period if there were enough interest to have fun with it Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:23 AM To: Bob Donaldson; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Bob D told me to go first. Well... it's tricky. It could be Carl Woodrome, because he's local to me and I got him to apply. Father Pat is a pastor, kinda like me. But I'm Protestant, haha! Mark Zentkovich is a Cardinal guy like me... Bob Reed was my mentor... Lynn Miller was the first OBCer I met... but I think he'd be on some sort of "legends" subset with someone else on his awesome So... after all those honorable mentions, I'd choose Mike Rumley-Wells because I really like the guy, and when we went to the National together this past summer, that was probably the best card time I've had in my entire life. Up until 3am sorting cards and trying to find handshakes, talking about our ministries and life in general... Reggie Jackson and the Bronx Zoo... how crazy our hobby is... musing on the different ways all you guys focus your collections... those were some good days. Too few and too long until we could do it again. Okay now, go ahead and make fun of my "man crush!" But if you do, you gottawrite your list too! From: Bob Donaldson Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 11:02 AM To: 'Aaron Shirley' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions You go first =E2=BA From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 12:00 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card withyou? =0DThis email has been checked for viruses by AVG antivirus software. www.avg.com =0D ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 22:04:52 +0000 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: Matthew Glidden I'm not sure who'd be willing to be on my Double Play card, because I'd be willing to cut it half anyway. ;-) On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- > I'm not sure who mine would be, but I know Joe and Mac would be on a card > together. That way, when they get carded at all those DC watering holes, > they'd only have to pull out one ID. > I know my daughter would pick Fr. Pat. She still talks about the King > cakes and the fact that we sold our house the day after Fr. Pat spent the > night! > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* OBC Ramblings > *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:00 AM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions > Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? > Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card > with you? > Aaron ================= Date: 23 Dec 2017 22:51:50 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Double Play questions From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 18:43:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waivers From: Anthony Hello all Claim away and includ address. 1973 #609 Lopez rc 1958#280 piersall 1971#580 Perez Anthony Arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 16:05:46 -0800 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: John Stamper The other card would be #5 so you would keep it. John Stamper > On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm not sure who'd be willing to be on my Double Play card, because I'd be willing to cut it half anyway. ;-) > Spike >> On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Fellas -- >> I'm not sure who mine would be, but I know Joe and Mac would be on a card together. That way, when they get carded at all those DC watering holes,they'd only have to pull out one ID. >> I know my daughter would pick Fr.. Pat. She still talks about the King cakes and the fact that we sold our house the day after Fr. Pat spent the night! >> Take Care, >> Geno >> From: "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> To: OBC Ramblings >> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:00 AM >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions >> Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? >> Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card with >> Aaron ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:13:47 -0500 Subject: Availables From: "Bob Donaldson" Four Baseball's All-time Greats TCMA? Green thick borders - Frisch, Gehringer, Grove, Matthewson 1941 Double Play #33 1954 Switching Engine Diesal-hydraulic, Topps card larger sized Baseball Legends Bobby Thomson, Ken Harrelson 1964 Giants #36 Callisaon 1961 Golden Press 12 Cochrane, 4 Greenburg 1960 Fleer 76 1961 Fleer 34 1968 Topps Game - point me to your list 1971 Bazzoka Hunter Hundley Carty Melton Brooks (trimmed) ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:27:58 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Certified dealers From: Andy Cook Each person=E2=99s experience is unique, here are my 2 cents: - Laurie Dean has cut me great deals at shows - Chandy=E2=99s bargain boxes really are as fun to dig through as othershave - I like Uncle Dick and he=E2=99s given me nice deals. I find Mrs. UncleDick to be very cold and unwilling to deal Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:40:17 -0500 To: Andy Cook Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified dealers From: Anthony Hello all I have had many experiences with Chandy and yes his boxes are the same price for all . Last day most go to .50 cents. He has not really cut me deals since they are already very cheap but does save me stuff on occasions and one time sold me an obc box for cheap. He is great to talk to. He has also allowed me to pay him via PayPal after the show when I got home Uncle Dick has had prices spike up but his table is Unser friendly with a range of prices. He always cuts off the price and many times gave me a deal on key cards. Couple weeks ago he sold me a 68 Ryan for $120 which was a great deal. He has done that about a dz times over the years. He also is great to talk to. Andy may be right about the wife but always wait for uncle Dick. One time I left them for him and I came back.....yes I ran out of fundsand had to mail him a check=A4=A3 Kurt has been a go to person in chantilly with great deals and good conversation. If I go the chantilly on a Sunday I hit Chandy first, Kurt second and the uncle Dick Sent from my iPad > On Dec 23, 2017, at 7:27 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Each person=E2=99s experience is unique, here are my 2 cents: > - Laurie Dean has cut me great deals at shows > - Chandy=E2=99s bargain boxes really are as fun to dig through as others have mentioned > - I like Uncle Dick and he=E2=99s given me nice deals. I find Mrs. Uncle Dick to be very cold and unwilling to deal > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 19:42:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Waivers=E2=94=E2=94_all_gone?From: Anthony Hello all Sorry but all gone. If you were interested in anything still send me a shout. I may have backup dupes or find something else similar Claim away and includ address. 1973 #609 Lopez rc 1958#280 piersall 1971#580 Perez Anthony Arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2017 21:26:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Come on, Chandy! From: "George Vrechek" Gar Miller was mentioned by two OBCers. He is still around. See http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Gar_Miller.pdf George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 14:59:58 +0000 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: Matthew Glidden More seriously, Mac and I got called by each other's names earlier in our tenure. There's even an "OBC Twins" custom card we made at a Cleveland National to celebrate it. :-) To help avoid confusion, I'd be on a card with someone who didn't resemble me. These days, I have a modest beard and rimless glasses, so would start with someone whisker-free and no specs. Where's Geno at these days? Is he still keeping that clean-cut flight captain look? On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 7:05 PM John Stamper > The other card would be #5 so you would keep it. > John Stamper > On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm not sure who'd be willing to be on my Double Play card, because I'd be > willing to cut it half anyway. ;-) > Spike > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- >> I'm not sure who mine would be, but I know Joe and Mac would be on a card >> together. That way, when they get carded at all those DC watering holes, >> they'd only have to pull out one ID. >> I know my daughter would pick Fr.. Pat. She still talks about the King >> cakes and the fact that we sold our house the day after Fr. Pat spent the >> night! >> Take Care, >> Geno >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> >> *To:* OBC Ramblings >> *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:00 AM >> *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions >> Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? >> Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card >> with you? >> Aaron ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 10:38:46 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: ShoelessWes I'd personally choose fellow Machine Head, Tom Housley. He introduced me toOBC at a show in Dayton. Honorable mention likely to be Jimi Thayer, the first person I traded cardswith since 1993. Wes Shepard > On Dec 23, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? > Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card with > Aaron ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 16:49:16 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Best wishes from Scotland From: Glenn Codere Hey guys, I just wanted to take a moment to send my very best wishes for the holiday season to all in OBC. I hope the season helps to bring your cardboard dreams a little closer! GlennGlasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 17:33:01 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: Geno Wagner I was just goingthrough hedupesbox and pulled out a 1933 Goudey #156, Danny MacFayden. I think he's your grandfather, Spike...looks like you! Take Care,Geno From: Matthew Glidden To: John Stamper Cc: Geno Wagner ; Aaron Shirley ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:00 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions More seriously, Mac and I got called by each other's names earlier in our tenure. There's even an "OBC Twins" custom card we made at a Cleveland National to celebrate it. :-) To help avoid confusion, I'd be on a card with someone who didn't resemble me. These days, I have a modest beard and rimless glasses, so would start with someone whisker-free and no specs. Where's Geno at these days? Is he still keeping that clean-cut flight captain look? On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 7:05 PM John Stamper wrote: The other card would be #5 so you would keep it. John Stamper On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I'm not sure who'd be willing to be on my Double Play card, because I'd bewilling to cut it half anyway. ;-) On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Fellas -- I'm not sure who mine would be, but I know Joe and Mac would be on a card together. That way, when they get carded at all those DC watering holes, they'd only have to pull out one ID. I know my daughter would pick Fr.. Pat. She still talks about the King cakes and the fact that we sold our house the day after Fr. Pat spent thenight! Take Care,Geno From: "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:00 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design?Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card with you?Aaron ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 20:42:44 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Spam From: EEK I just discovered that at least half of the emails sent to me are going to Spam?? These are the times when I wish I knew more about what ever it is that I need to know about to fix these types of things. Most tutorials are not helpful because I just don't speak the language. Is there a simple fix that even old people can understand? Earl "EEK" Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:40:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1979 Topps proof cards available From: Ed Pike Happy Holidays to all! I am de-collecting my 1979 Topps blank-back proofs. The card numbers on the back are ... blank. Teams available include Astros, Blue Jays, Brewers, Cardinals, Expos, Mariners, Reds and Twins. Free for the asking! Please include snail mail address. Ed Pike ================= Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2017 22:53:17 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1956 topps mantle for less than $100 (well, most of one anyway) From: Joshua Levine https://www.ebay.com/itm/1956-TOPPS-MICKEY-MANTLE-POOR-NEW-YORK-YANKEES-135-NAME-TEAM-CUT-OUT-82917/311949072610?hash=item48a19d18e2:g:oaMAAOSwkWNZpcLY:sc:USPSFirstClass!91351!US!-1 ================= Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 17:11:37 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Baltimore Santa From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- My Secret Santa came up large!! Peter Mead sends along a package thatweighed about 10 pounds, so I was wondering where all those T205s were going to fit in my house. Turns out it's the biggest book of Illinois Football I've ever seen! It's cool, with all these postcards and programs in little envelopes on each page. As most of you know, I'm a proudIllinois grad, with a horrible football team to cheer for. I wasn't there for Butkus, in fact, I arrived soon after Tony Eason left. I was there for the Jack Trudeau and Jeff George era, which were pretty good years. Ever since then, we've been horrible. I don't think we've won a Big Ten game in a couple years now. I guess we match the Bears,at least. Did I mention some cool Cubs fell out of the book? An autographed Santo, a cool OPC Beckert, and of course, Ernie! Peoplealways ask me when I'm going to start rooting for the Broncos, Rockies, and Avalanche. Um, never, pretty much. I go to the games, but mostly just to soak up the sun and have a beer. Or to drop a ton of money on tix when the Blackhawks come to town. I don't believe in the phrase "My 2nd favorite team is..." Your 2nd favorite should be last year's version of your team. The cool thing about having Peter as my Santa, is I get to thank him in person in a couple days, when we tour the Babe Ruth Museum on my Baltimore layover. Thanks again, Santa...my gift was great and I can't wait to look through it during our bowl game. Haha...no, that might be a few years away. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everybody!! Take Care,Geno ================= To: Date: Mon, 25 Dec 2017 21:59:17 -0500 Subject: 1980 Variations From: "Sal Domino" For you boys looking for those "Name in Yellow". The Wathan is affordable and graded, I picked up one he had myself. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-TOPPS-547-JOHN-WATHAN-ROYALS-NAME-IN-YELLOW-PS &_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-TOPPS-387-FRED-STANLEY-YANKEES-NAME-IN-YELLOW- &_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-TOPPS-387-FRED-STANLEY-YANKEES-NAME-IN-YELLOW- &_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= To: Sal Domino Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 03:19:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1980 Variations From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 09:19:40 -0800 Subject: Berger books remaining From: "George Vrechek" Sal has been sending Sy Berger books to people for the last 6 months. These were all items in Berger's personal library at home. We still have 72 books or tapes available. Sal says there is some pretty good stuff still looking for a home. Before offering them to other collector groups, I'm sending out one last announcement to see if any OBCers want any more of the books. I recently billed OBCers for the books they claimed and the average cost came out to $3.57 per item. Actual postage will be billed based on what it costs Sal to ship anything you claim. If you are interested, let Sal know sooner rather than later. Thanks much for participating. I will let Gloria Berger know of the nice comments we got back from people who received Sy's books. Remaining book list is below and attached as a file in the event the Ramblings email doesn't keep the table in order. George Vrechek Asset Tag Who wants it Billy Martin Gene Schoor Armchair Book of Baseball John Thorn Game For All America John Thorn This Great Game Biographical Encyclopedia of BB Total Sports All Century Team National BB HOF Yearbook 2005 National BB HOF Yearbook 2006 National BB HOF Yearbook 2008 National BB HOF Yearbook 2009 National BB HOF Yearbook 2010 Don Zimmer Memories of a Ballplayer Bill Werbitz Spectator Guide to Baseball Dan Sperling 100 Things Dodger Fans Should Know Jon Weisman This Date in Yankee History Nathan Salant Sporting News falling apart Scouting Reports Stan Hart Ward's Baseball Book 2006 HOF Induction 2007 HOF Induction 2009 Who's Who In Baseball Scorebook #50 BBWAA 88th Dinner Sweet Thunder Sugar Ray Robinson Wil Haygood The Game of Their Lives Dave Klein The Pro Football Experience David Boss HUGE book There Were Giants Those Days Gerald Eskonazi Portrait of Victory 1985 Bears Kevin Lamb Football Encyclopedia Richard Kucner The Pros Rober Riger The Super Bowl The GM Tom Callahan Football America Turner Publishing Saga of the Saints Wayne Mack 1961 Encyclopedia of Football One Move To Better Golf Carl Lohren Massacre At Winged Foot Dick Schaap Harvey Penicks's Little Red Book Harvey Penick Jack Nicklaus Lesson Tee Jack Nicklaus Joe Norwood Golfing Art Phil Pilley Golf is Madness The Method D Swing Mayer w/ Audio Tape Murphy's Law of Golf Ed West Golf My Way Jack Nicklaus Official NBA Encyclopedia 2nd Ed Alex Sachare Sports of the Times Arthur Daley Sports of Our Times Dave Anderson The Sporting Life I. Rudd/ S.Fischler Sports in America James Michener No Cheering in the Press Box Jerome Holtzman Nobody Asked Me But. Jimmy Cannon Guiness Book of Athletics Peter Matthews Great Stories from the World of Sport Peter Schwed 3 Volumes Sportwriters Choice Richard Goldman In Your Face Lee Bollinger Inner Game of Tennis W Timothy Gallwey Steve Garvey Night 50 Greatest Home Runs 1996 Scout of the Year MLB All Century Team 1992 Baseball Scouting Awards 1993 Scout of the Year Son of Automatic Golf Bob Mann Getting Ready To Win Curtis Strange On The Green Again Love It Classic Golf Tips Tommy Armour Harvey Penicks's Little Red Video Johnny Miller's Golf Clinic Dean Reinmouth's Take A Swing NY Sports Museum and HOF ================= Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 12:26:50 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1980 Variations From: Mike Glasser Dang I missed out on that one. Any idea why the #387 is so much more expensive? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Sal Domino Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Dec 25, 2017 10:19 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1980 Variations THAT is what =E2=9Cyellow letters=E2=9D means? The Wathan isn=E2=99t even close to what I imagined. Just makes me want to sort through a bunch of monster boxes for a 3c common, amirite?! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 25, 2017, at 9:59 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] For you boys looking for those =E2=9CName in Yellow=E2=9D. The Wathanis affordable and graded, I picked up one he had myself=E2=A6 https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-TOPPS-547-JOHN-WATHAN-ROYALS-NAME-IN-YELLOW-PSA-9-B1614847-782/263215978943?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksidp2= https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-TOPPS-387-FRED-STANLEY-YANKEES-NAME-IN-YELLOW-PSA-8-B2368726-262/381993206699?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid= https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-TOPPS-387-FRED-STANLEY-YANKEES-NAME-IN-YELLOW-PSA-9-B2368728-259/362172293839?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid= Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 16:42:25 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: NFL PLAYOFF POOL - 3rd Call From: Gary Mandell Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested.It is a very fun format where you always have one playeractive from each team in each game.We have had over a dozenparticipants for severalyears, and hope to exceed that total this year. We have several signed up already. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated.But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough.And if your home town or other favorite teamis out of it (Bears and Browns for me), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! Because of numerous issues using trading cards as prizes in the past, this year will be a cash only tournament, and the entry fee is $5. You mayonly submit one entry. The playoff schedule won't be finalized until next Sunday, December 31, butif the playoffs were to start this weekend, the lineup would look like this: AFC Week 1 (January 6 and 7):6 Titans at 3 Jaguars, 5 Ravens at4 Chiefs, 1 Patriots and 2 Steelers BYE (Two other teams still in the hunt: LAC, BUF) AFC Week 2 (January 13 and 14):1 Patriots at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Steelers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3 (January 21):Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining NFC Week 1 (January 6 and 7):6 Falcons at 3 Rams, 5 Panthers at4 Saints, 1 Eagles and 2 Vikings BYE (One other team still in the hunt: SEA) NFC Week 2 (January 13 and 14):1 Eagles at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Vikings at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3 (January 21):Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining Super Bowl Week 4 (February 4):Super Bowl The weekend of January 6-7 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams:Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs.Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool).In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points.These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this:QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Passing:Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points foran interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving:Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing orreceiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking:Field Goals:<31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard.Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point.PAT1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for Defensive scores, including returning a kickoff, punt failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions for a touchdown ora Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams.The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season(four Tie Breaker:Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry.If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries):Overall winner will get 60% of the prize pool, 2nd place gets 30% and 3rd place gets10%. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early.Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Deadline: Your roster picks and $5 entry fee via PayPal Friends and Family or Zelle must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 6 at Noon Central Time.Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed.(if you do not have Paypalor Zelle, please email me in advance to make other arrangements). I'm looking forward to the pool, and a Happy Holiday season to you and yourfamilies! Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 18:56:07 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Stupid question of the day From: Raymond Luurs Do we have a thank menu for UV material. I got two envelopes from OBCers and cant find a Thanks UV to let them know I received them. I also know I am old and senile for which there is no known cure bad thing I am not that ================= To: Raymond Luurs , Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:42:45 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Stupid question of the day From: mark zentkovich Group Email Addresses Post Message : Subscribe : Unsubscribe : List Owner : Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2017 6:56 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Stupid question of the day Do we have a thank menu for UV material. I got two envelopes from OBCers and cant find a Thanks UV to let them know I received them. I also know I am old and senile for which there is no known cure bad thing I am not that old =0DVirus-free. www.avg.com =0D ================= To: Raymond Luurs Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 02:44:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stupid question of the day From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2017 19:19:53 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 50,000 mile stone From: Rick I've been keeping my eye on my total sports card count was at 49,984 as of this morning. I only count baseball,football,basketball and hockey. I probably have some other odds and ends that you consider sports but I thought I would keep it simple. 37,182 baseball 9,277 football 2,052 basketball 1,473 hockey I probably would of hit it by the end of the year with small packages so I could say this is the card that put me over the top but no. Anticlimactic as it turns out I bought a 72 Sunoco football album for $10 and it has 515 stamps in it so went flying by the 50,000 mark. if anyone has any dupes I could give them a new home this is my list. Rick 1972 Sunoco stamps need sandeman-Hansen-reaves-lothridge-Sullivan-Perkins-bulaich-stukes-kern-obrien-leypoldt-cowlings-tatarek-Guidry-wright-farmer-pi= er-saimes-van heusen-Freitas-Walton-Taylor-Robb-evey-naumoff-lucci-Rasmussen-young-Walton-reed-dickey-Holmes-Moseley-hill-stroud-Hayes-stenrud-snow-Co= Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 06:05:42 +0000 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions From: Matthew Glidden Hi Geno, did you *know* I was thinking about "Specs" MacFayden typing up that note? He's at the top of the list for players I would've looked like back then. :-) On Sun, Dec 24, 2017 at 12:33 PM Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was just going through he dupes box and pulled out a 1933 Goudey #156, > Danny MacFayden. I think he's your grandfather, Spike...looks like you! > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > *From:* Matthew Glidden > *To:* John Stamper > *Cc:* Geno Wagner ; Aaron Shirley < > uthminsta@hotmail.com>; OBC Ramblings > *Sent:* Sunday, December 24, 2017 8:00 AM > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions > More seriously, Mac and I got called by each other's names earlier in our > tenure. There's even an "OBC Twins" custom card we made at a Cleveland > National to celebrate it. :-) > To help avoid confusion, I'd be on a card with someone who didn't resemble > me. These days, I have a modest beard and rimless glasses, so would start > with someone whisker-free and no specs. Where's Geno at these days? Is he > still keeping that clean-cut flight captain look? > Spike > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 7:05 PM John Stamper > wrote: > The other card would be #5 so you would keep it. > John Stamper > On Dec 23, 2017, at 2:04 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm not sure who'd be willing to be on my Double Play card, because I'd be > willing to cut it half anyway. ;-) > Spike > On Sat, Dec 23, 2017 at 5:03 PM Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- > I'm not sure who mine would be, but I know Joe and Mac would be on a card > together. That way, when they get carded at all those DC watering holes, > they'd only have to pull out one ID. > I know my daughter would pick Fr.. Pat. She still talks about the King > cakes and the fact that we sold our house the day after Fr. Pat spent the > night! > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > *From:* "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* OBC Ramblings > *Sent:* Saturday, December 23, 2017 10:00 AM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Double Play questions > Did anyone ever rehash the Double Play card design? > Bonus question: If OBC made cards like this, who would share your card > with you? > Aaron ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 11:34:49 -0500 Subject: 1960 Toops Wrong Back Waiver From: Don Rice I know someone out there collects wrong backs; found this in a bunch of cards I just picked up. 1960 Topps Cardinals Team front, Dick Brown back. Creased, but no writing or missing parts. First claim gets it. Don Rice ================= Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:52:14 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Look n See Waiver wire From: I've been trying to put together this set (probably won't spend the bucks for a Rembrandt), and have some dupes from lots I've picked up. Let me know who would like what, and as always, it's really nice if you include your address in the request. Bob N ================= Date: 27 Dec 2017 22:47:16 +0000 To: Subject: Some 50s Indians waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:47:37 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Coolest Topps cards (by Sean) web page From: Sean McGowan Dear OBC, apologies for slacking off last year :( But, I have updated my "coolest topps card" webpage for 2016 and 2017. If you are new to the group, you can check out the 1951-1980 coolest topps cards, according to Sean. And you can ignore the UV stuff, or accidentally look at it. But please enjoy. http://sean-mcgowan.org/cooltopps/front.htm Go OBC! ================= To: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 17:57:14 -0800 Subject: Re: 50,000 mile stone From: "George Vrechek" Congrats to Rick Lyons on being next across the 50,000 card barrier. I will update the set collectors recognition page. It is like breaking the 4-minute mile, except you don't get out of breath.much. Sorry I can't help with the I am at 47,000 cards with guys like Rice, Morganti and Tipton breathing down my neck. I had to compare Rick's totals by sport against mine. I have a fair number more cards in football, basketball, hockey and other sports (thanks to Ed Pike and Sportscaster cards) but am about 8,000 baseball cards behind Rick. I know Rick has OPeeChee and Venezuelan cards, which accounts for some of the 8,000 card difference. I am curious as to what other possible low-hanging fruit might be out there that I haven't considered as to vintage baseball sets. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 20:46:45 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1963 Variation From: Raymond Luurs I have an opening slot for #406 1963 Rookie card with dick simpson and chico ruiz. I cant find in Georges articles or anywhere that there is a variation for it. Is there a variation and if there is what am i looking ================= Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 18:48:28 -0800 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 50,000 mile stone From: John Stamper Congrats Rick!! I am only 15,000 behind you. I passed the 35,000 milestone just last week! Similar situation...I had yet to count the stamps and that pushed me over the top with no magic one card for #35K. Still a long way to go for the big 50K. John Stamper > On Dec 27, 2017, at 5:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Congrats to Rick Lyons on being next across the 50,000 card barrier. I will update the set collectors recognition page. It is like breaking the 4-minute mile, except you don=E2=99t get out of breath=E2=A6much. Sorry Ican=E2=99t help with the Sunocos. > I am at 47,000 cards with guys like Rice, Morganti and Tipton breathing down my neck. I had to compare Rick=E2=99s totals by sport against mine. I have a fair number more cards in football, basketball, hockey and other sports (thanks to Ed Pike and Sportscaster cards) but am about 8,000 baseball cards behind Rick. I know Rick has OPeeChee and Venezuelan cards, which accounts for some of the 8,000 card difference. I am curious as to what other possible low-hanging fruit might be out there that I haven=E2=99t considered as to vintage baseball sets. > George Vrechek ================= To: "'Raymond Luurs'" , Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 22:25:07 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 Variation From: "Sal Domino" These are the only ones I have for 1963: 1963 Topps Rookie Stars "1962" (in White) Rookie Stars on Front "1963" (in Yellow) Rookie Stars on Front 1963 Topps Rookie Stars "1962" (in White) Rookie Stars on Front "1963" (in Yellow) Rookie Stars on Front 1963 Topps 2nd Ser Checklist "Checklist" in Red on Front "Checklist" in White on Front 1963 Topps White Slash Across Body on Inset Photo Slash Repaired with Red/Mottling 1963 Topps 6th Ser Checklist "Checklist" in Black on Front "Checklist" in White on Front 1963 Topps Card # on Orange Backround on Back Card # on White Backround on Back 1963 Topps 7th Ser Checklist Copyright Centered on Back Copyright to Right on Back Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:47 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 Variation I have an opening slot for #406 1963 Rookie card with dick simpson and chico ruiz. I cant find in Georges articles or anywhere that there is a variation for it. Is there a variation and if there is what am i looking for ================= To: "'John Stamper'" Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 19:34:33 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 50,000 mile stone From: "George Vrechek" Way to go. Another change to the set collectors recognition page. John was already recognized (in a small way) for his non-sport collection. George Vrechek From: John Stamper [mailto:holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 6:48 PM To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 50,000 mile stone Congrats Rick!! I am only 15,000 behind you. I passed the 35,000 milestone just last week! Similar situation...I had yet to count the stamps and that pushed me over the top with no magic one card for #35K. Still a long way to go for the big 50K. John Stamper On Dec 27, 2017, at 5:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Congrats to Rick Lyons on being next across the 50,000 card barrier. I willupdate the set collectors recognition page. It is like breaking the 4-minute mile, except you don=E2=99t get out of breath=E2=A6much. Sorry I can=E2=99t help with the Sunocos. I am at 47,000 cards with guys like Rice, Morganti and Tipton breathing down my neck. I had to compare Rick=E2=99s totals by sport against mine. I have a fair number more cards in football, basketball, hockey and other sports (thanks to Ed Pike and Sportscaster cards) but am about 8,000 baseball cards behind Rick. I know Rick has OPeeChee and Venezuelan cards, which accounts for some of the 8,000 card difference. I am curious as to what other possible low-hanging fruit might be out there that I haven=E2=99t considered as to vintage baseball sets. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 23:21:22 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone From: Ken M Congrats Rick! It really is one tough goal to achieve. George's reply inspired me to run a quick check of my spreadsheet (which isn't perfect, but close enough) I'm close, but yet so far...27,362 baseball  9,463 football  3,048 hockey  2,169 basketball42,042 totalThere's a few odds and ends I didn't count, but I'm still about 8k short. There is plenty of areas to expand the collection, as I have little to none of:OPC baseball (1965-1976)OPC hockeyPre-1968 hockey (inc. Parkhurst)Pre-1954 footballPre-war baseballExhibitsBazooka cardsCoke capsI'm not saying I'm thinking about going after some or even any of these. I will need some time to consider what I'll collect next. For example, Kevin Savage had a huge collection of Sportscaster cards at the last National. I probably could've bought several hundred just to add to the count if I wanted. I passed. I have to figure out where I'm gonna put the binders with 8,000 more cards first. The closet is getting pretty full already. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2017 10:44 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone I've been keeping my eye on my total sports card count was at 49,984 as of this morning. I only count baseball,football,basketball and hockey. I probably have some other odds and ends that you consider sports but I thought I would keep it simple. 37,182 baseball 9,277 football 2,052 basketball 1,473 hockey49,984I probably would of hit it by the end of the year with small packages so I could say this is the card that put me over the top but no. Anticlimactic as it turns out I bought a 72 Sunoco football album for $10 and it has 515 stamps in it so went flying by the 50,000 mark. if anyone has any dupes I could give them a new home this is my list. Rick1972 Sunoco stamps need sandeman-Hansen-reaves-lothridge-Sullivan-Perkins-bulaich-stukes-kern-obrien-leypoldt-cowlings-tatarek-Guidry-wright-farmer-pinder-percival-Johnson-muhlmann-Avery-Riley-demarie-copeland-Cockcroft-sherk-Hayes-manders-alworth-Pugh-andrie-renfro-green-shoals-schnitker-myrtle-Greer-saimes-van heusen-F reitas-Walton-Taylor-Robb-evey-naumoff-lucci-Rasmussen-young-Walton-reed-dickey-Holmes-Moseley-hill-stroud-Hayes-stenrud-snow-Cowan-scibelli-Klein-Olsen-mckeever-Alexander-kolen-Winston-Warwick-Krause-lee-Hagen-gogolak-wirgowski-Robinson-Neal-Cunningham-fagen-young-frederickson-reed-brown-Rasmussen-Buie-shell-Atkinson-Tatum-Hawkins-woodeshick-Dempsey-hultz-Calloway-Nelson-Ramsey-McNeill-kolb-fuqua-gerela-rowser-Williams-stallings-Garrett-jones-hardy-beauchamp-Krueger-schoenke-Jefferson-Kilmer-mcdole-pardee-pottios-BraggSent from my iPad------------------------------------Posted by: Rick ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY ================= To: Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2017 23:58:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone From: "Sal Domino" That=E2=99s just ridiculous! Well done. I see 4 cards for the Topps run,2 Mantles, Mathews, and the ever lovely 1957 4/5 Bazooka checklist. Just insane! At least he has some doable Bowman=E2=99s still listed! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 11:21 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone Congrats Rick! It really is one tough goal to achieve. George's reply inspired me to run a quick check of my spreadsheet (which isn't perfect, but close enough) I'm close, but yet so far... 27,362 baseball 9,463 football 3,048 hockey 2,169 basketball 42,042 total There's a few odds and ends I didn't count, but I'm still about 8k short. There is plenty of areas to expand the collection, as I have little to none of: OPC baseball (1965-1976) OPC hockey Pre-1968 hockey (inc. Parkhurst) Pre-1954 football Pre-war baseball Bazooka cards Coke caps I'm not saying I'm thinking about going after some or even any of these. I will need some time to consider what I'll collect next. For example, Kevin Savage had a huge collection of Sportscaster cards at the last National. I probably could've bought several hundred just to add to the count if I wanted. I passed. I have to figure out where I'm gonna put the binders with 8,000 more cards first. The closet is getting pretty full already. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2017 10:44 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone I've been keeping my eye on my total sports card count was at 49,984 as of this morning. I only count baseball,football,basketball and hockey. I probably have some other odds and ends that you consider sports but I thought I would keep it simple. 37,182 baseball 9,277 football 2,052 basketball 1,473 hockey49,984I probably would of hit it by the end of the year with small packages so I could say this is the card that put me over the top butno. Anticlimactic as it turns out I bought a 72 Sunoco football album for $10 and it has 515 stamps in it so went flying by the 50,000 mark. if anyone has any dupes I could give them a new home this is my list. Rick1972 Sunoco stamps need sandeman-Hansen-reaves-lothridge-Sullivan-Perkins-bulaich-stukes-kern-obrien-leypoldt-cowlings-tatarek-Guidry-wright-farmer-pinder-perc= -van heusen-Freitas-Walton-Taylor-Robb-evey-naumoff-lucci-Rasmussen-young-Walton-reed-dickey-Holmes-Moseley-hill-stroud-Hayes-stenrud-snow-Cowan-scibe= ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 00:00:50 -0500 Subject: Berger Books From: "Sal Domino" I like this 2nd round! So far 6 have requested, so I'm going to wait a few days, then sort out and distribute as evenly as I can. Aaron, Dan, John, Mike, Sam, Spike have made requests so far. Anyone else? Thanks to my partner George V for all his help with this! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 09:07:33 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Per George's "official" rules of what a card is, Coke caps do NOT count.That likely costs me a couple of thousand. I am not sure I will ever getto the 80,000 mark, but I added more last year and this year than I ever expected. I am sure I added over 1000 each of the last 2 years. The more you have, the tougher it is to find cards to go after. There are hundreds of relatively small sets, usually team related or regionally issued, that commons only book for $1 - $2 a card. One of the larger of these sets is 1979 Grand Slam. Fortunately, Mac bird-dogged that set for me last year. For those that have not already added them, the SSPC sets are really nice looking cards, and would relatively inexpensively add almost 1000 cards. The MSA disc sets that a few guys have recently added is another way to add significant numbers rather cheaply. After Topps, the quickest way to add numbers are the OPC cards. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 27, 2017 11:21 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone Congrats Rick! It really is one tough goal to achieve. George's reply inspired me to run a quick check of my spreadsheet (which isn't perfect, but close enough) I'm close, but yet so far... 27,362 baseball 9,463 football 3,048 hockey 2,169 basketball 42,042 total There's a few odds and ends I didn't count, but I'm still about 8k short. There is plenty of areas to expand the collection, as I have little to none of: OPC baseball (1965-1976) OPC hockey Pre-1968 hockey (inc. Parkhurst) Pre-1954 football Pre-war baseball Bazooka cards Coke caps I'm not saying I'm thinking about going after some or even any of these. I will need some time to consider what I'll collect next. For example, Kevin Savage had a huge collection of Sportscaster cards at the last National. I probably could've bought several hundred just to add to the count if I wanted. I passed. I have to figure out where I'm gonna put the binders with 8,000 more cards first. The closet is getting pretty full already. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2017 10:44 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone I've been keeping my eye on my total sports card count was at 49,984 as of this morning. I only count baseball,football,basketball and hockey. I probably have some other odds and ends that you consider sports but I thought I would keep it simple. 37,182 baseball 9,277 football 2,052 basketball 1,473 hockey49,984I probably would of hit it by the end of the year with small packages so I could say this is the card that put me over the top butno. Anticlimactic as it turns out I bought a 72 Sunoco football album for $10 and it has 515 stamps in it so went flying by the 50,000 mark. if anyone has any dupes I could give them a new home this is my list. Rick1972 Sunoco stamps need sandeman-Hansen-reaves-lothridge-Sullivan-Perkins-bulaich-stukes-kern-obrien-leypoldt-cowlings-tatarek-Guidry-wright-farmer-pinder-perc= -van heusen-Freitas-Walton-Taylor-Robb-evey-naumoff-lucci-Rasmussen-young-Walton-reed-dickey-Holmes-Moseley-hill-stroud-Hayes-stenrud-snow-Cowan-scibe= ================= Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 11:00:36 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 Variation From: "Thomas W. Billing" You basically have it covered and I have a ton of errors, etc., that are not variations and there is no known variation for #406. > On Dec 27, 2017, at 10:25 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > These are the only ones I have for 1963: > 1963 Topps > 29 > Rookie Stars > "1962" (in White) Rookie Stars on Front > "1963" (in Yellow) Rookie Stars on Front > 1963 Topps > 54 > Rookie Stars > "1962" (in White) Rookie Stars on Front > "1963" (in Yellow) Rookie Stars on Front > 1963 Topps > 102 > 2nd Ser Checklist > "Checklist" in Red on Front > "Checklist" in White on Front > 1963 Topps > 341 > Baldschun > White Slash Across Body on Inset Photo > Slash Repaired with Red/Mottling > 1963 Topps > 431 > 6th Ser Checklist > "Checklist" in Black on Front > "Checklist" in White on Front > 1963 Topps > 454 > Fowler > Card # on Orange Backround on Back > Card # on White Backround on Back > 1963 Topps > 509 > 7th Ser Checklist > Copyright Centered on Back > Copyright to Right on Back > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com > Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2017 9:47 PM > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 Variation > I have an opening slot for #406 1963 Rookie card with dick simpson and chico ruiz. I cant find in Georges articles or anywhere that there is avariation for it. Is there a variation and if there is what am i looking for ================= Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 09:14:10 -0800 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone From: Rick I haven't counted all the coke caps myself but I would disagree with you per George's official rules he said anything listed in the SCD book counts and they are listed. So I believe you can count them, GEORGE!!!! Sent from my iPad > On Dec 28, 2017, at 6:07 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Ken, > Per George's "official" rules of what a card is, Coke caps do NOT count. That likely costs me a couple of thousand. I am not sure I will ever get to the 80,000 mark, but I added more last year and this year than I everexpected. I am sure I added over 1000 each of the last 2 years. The more you have, the tougher it is to find cards to go after. There are hundreds of relatively small sets, usually team related or regionally issued, thatcommons only book for $1 - $2 a card. One of the larger of these sets is 1979 Grand Slam. Fortunately, Mac bird-dogged that set for me last year. For those that have not already added them, the SSPC sets are really nice looking cards, and would relatively inexpensively add almost 1000 cards. The MSA disc sets that a few guys have recently added is another way to add significant numbers rather cheaply. After Topps, the quickest way to add numbers are the OPC cards. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 27, 2017 11:21 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone > Congrats Rick! It really is one tough goal to achieve. > George's reply inspired me to run a quick check of my spreadsheet (which isn't perfect, but close enough) I'm close, but yet so far... > 27,362 baseball > 9,463 football > 3,048 hockey > 2,169 basketball > 42,042 total > There's a few odds and ends I didn't count, but I'm still about 8k short.There is plenty of areas to expand the collection, as I have little to none > OPC baseball (1965-1976) > OPC hockey > Pre-1968 hockey (inc. Parkhurst) > Pre-1954 football > Pre-war baseball > Exhibits > Bazooka cards > Coke caps > I'm not saying I'm thinking about going after some or even any of these. I will need some time to consider what I'll collect next. For example, Kevin Savage had a huge collection of Sportscaster cards at the last National. I probably could've bought several hundred just to add to the count if I wanted. I passed. I have to figure out where I'm gonna put the binders with 8,000 more cards first. The closet is getting pretty full already. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Tue, Dec 26, 2017 10:44 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 50,000 mile stone > I've been keeping my eye on my total sports card count was at 49,984 as of this morning. I only count baseball,football,basketball and hockey. I probably have some other odds and ends that you consider sports but I thought I would keep it simple. 37,182 baseball 9,277 football 2,052 basketball > 1,473 hockey49,984I probably would of hit it by the end of the year with small packages so I could say this is the card that put me over the top but no. Anticlimactic as it turns out I bought a 72 Sunoco football album for $10 and it has 515 stamps in it so went flying by the 50,000 mark. if anyone has any dupes I could give them a new home this is my list. Rick1972 Sunoco stamps need sandeman-Hansen-reaves-lothridge-Sullivan-Perkins-bulaich-stukes-kern-obrien-leypoldt-cowlings-tatarek-Guidry-wright-farmer-pinder-pe= es-van heusen-Freitas-Walton-Taylor-Robb-evey-naumoff-lucci-Rasmussen-young-Walton-reed-dickey-Holmes-Moseley-hill-stroud-Hayes-stenrud-snow-Cowan-sci= ================= Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 12:14:58 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '68 topps variation question From: biggies@aol.com The SCD lists cards 7,8,10,16,36,113,128,155,168,177 with "white" and "yellow" variations. NOT stipulated as backs. They also have many other "white" and "yellow back" variations. As I understand it many of the cards 1-195 are actually Milton Bradley cards are yellow backs. But I am not sure I understand as all of the '68s I have are yellow backs. So, are the 10 #'s SCD list only as specific colors different than the back variations otherwise listed? And what is the real skinny on the back variations over all? ================= Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:49:40 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: Card numbers question From: JDahms ================= Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 22:36:19 -0500 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question From: mikesportsfan@aol.com JD and others, On the OBC Directory page there is a link to Set Collectors Recognition levels. In addition to showing who is at what levels (based upon only thosethat have reported totals to George) are George's supposed rules for the counting. Variations do not count. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Obc Ranblings Sent: Thu, Dec 28, 2017 9:03 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question All this emailing about 50,000 and 30000 and in Mike's case 80000 cards gotme thinking but my question is do variations count towards the final countor no and if we can't count Coke caps can we count coins such as the 71 and 64 Topps coins John E Dahms 310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:26:19 -0800 Subject: Re: '68 topps variation question From: "George Vrechek" You may have an older SCD. The most recent ones show the gold-backed MB cards as a separate issue. They also list a few (erroneously) as variations in the regular set. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Dec 2017 20:38:21 -0800 Subject: Re: 50,000 mile stone From: "George Vrechek" I saw my name thrown around as to the rules for card counting. I remember getting some feedback that we ought to count anything that is listed in the catalog(s) or at least that could be pasted in a scrapbook at the Met, although I had not envisioned flattening beer cans and pasting them in a Much like the Supreme Court, I listened and sympathized with the arguments but then, as I recall, I went to lunch and declined to make any further pronouncements without another lavish, expense-paid resort vacation for the rules committee. I thereby let stand the previous guideline which remains, "All these are very difficult questions, and the rules committee has decided that you will know a card when you see it." George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 04:38:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '68 topps variation question From: Taylor Schock Here is the real skinny... http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/a-tale-of-the-yellow-back-1968-milton-bradley-set/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 12:14 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '68 topps variation question The SCD lists cards 7,8,10,16,36,113,128,155,168,177 with "white" and "yellow" variations. NOT stipulated as backs. They also have many other "white" and "yellow back" variations. As I understand it many of the cards 1-195 are actually Milton Bradley cards are yellow backs. But I am not sure I understand as all of the '68s I have are yellow backs. So, are the 10 #'s SCD list only as specific colors different than the backvariations otherwise listed? And what is the real skinny on the back variations over all? ================= Date: 29 Dec 2017 16:47:31 +0000 To: Subject: New Years Waiver Wire From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 23:52:54 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question From: Bob Reed I may try to come up with my number this weekend. I do have a few countingquestions For the 1969 Football 4 in 1 "stamps". Does each individual "stamp" count as 1 or 0.25? And if you have an intact card of 4 as well as all four of the "stamps" separated, does that count as 1, 2, or 5? Same questions for the 1980-81 basketball cards? I have some intact, some separated, and I even have an uncut sheet. Not sure how to count those. Topps baseball 1955 double headers. Do they count as 1 or 2? Sounds like variations don't count so we can't use the 1962 Green tints. What about the 1963 Bazooka All Time Greats? They were issued in Gold and Silver. Is that a variation or two different sets? I'm guessing somewhere around 35,000 for me. -Bob R. Sent from Outlook From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:36 PM To: jd3681@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question JD and others, On the OBC Directory page there is a link to Set Collectors Recognition levels. In addition to showing who is at what levels (based upon only thosethat have reported totals to George) are George's supposed rules for the counting. Variations do not count. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Obc Ranblings Sent: Thu, Dec 28, 2017 9:03 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question All this emailing about 50,000 and 30000 and in Mike's case 80000 cards gotme thinking but my question is do variations count towards the final countor no and if we can't count Coke caps can we count coins such as the 71 and 64 Topps coins John E Dahms 310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= To: Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 20:55:52 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question From: "Sal Domino" I have 2 lists. One counts the variations (to me and a bunch of others, they are separate cards part of a master set), the other doesn't count them. I believe that the 4 in 1's count as one card, Double Plays count as 1 card. Not sure how we count the double headers, as they are one card with 2 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 29, 2017 6:53 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question I may try to come up with my number this weekend. I do have a few counting questions though: For the 1969 Football 4 in 1 "stamps". Does each individual "stamp" count as 1 or 0.25? And if you have an intact card of 4 as well as all four of the "stamps" separated, does that count as 1, 2, or 5? Same questions for the 1980-81 basketball cards? I have some intact, some separated, and I even have an uncut sheet. Not sure how to count those. Topps baseball 1955 double headers. Do they count as 1 or 2? Sounds like variations don't count so we can't use the 1962 Green tints. What about the 1963 Bazooka All Time Greats? They were issued in Gold and Silver. Is that a variation or two different sets? I'm guessing somewhere around 35,000 for me. -Bob R. Sent from Outlook From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:36 PM To: jd3681@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question JD and others, On the OBC Directory page there is a link to Set Collectors Recognition levels. In addition to showing who is at what levels (based upon only those that have reported totals to George) are George's supposed rules for the counting. Variations do not count. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Obc Ranblings Sent: Thu, Dec 28, 2017 9:03 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question All this emailing about 50,000 and 30000 and in Mike's case 80000 cards got me thinking but my question is do variations count towards the final count or no and if we can't count Coke caps can we count coins such as the 71 and 64 Topps coins John E Dahms 310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:03:04 -0500 To: boreed@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Some good questions. My personal opinion, for what its worth, is that the 1969 Topps FB 4 in 1s could be counted as 260. You do niot get to count them as panels and singles though. 1980-81 Topps BSKB is a set of 264. Again you do not get to count the panels and the perforated ones. The 1955 Topps Doubleheaders, 1941 Double Play and the T-201 & T-202 cards are more interesting. They were not intended to be separated. As the Doubleheaders ad Double Plays are numbered, I think most would allow them as a set of 132and 150 respectively. I would not count the T cards separately, but that is me. Similarly, the 1963 Bazooka ATG I would consider a variation. Why?I do not know, as the Post v Jello are both counted, Topps and OPC are both counted. 1970 & 1972 3D cards counted separately. 1962 Salada & Shirriff coins each count. Armour coins come in multiple colors, but would be considered variations. T-206 & T-205 different backs are variations. The various MSA discs issued in 1976 & 1977 are considered different issues. There is no consistent logic as to what is a variation v a different issue. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 29, 2017 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question I may try to come up with my number this weekend. I do have a few countingquestions For the 1969 Football 4 in 1 "stamps". Does each individual "stamp" count as 1 or 0.25? And if you have an intact card of 4 as well as all four of the "stamps" separated, does that count as 1, 2, or 5? Same questions for the 1980-81 basketball cards? I have some intact, some separated, and I even have an uncut sheet. Not sure how to count those. Topps baseball 1955 double headers. Do they count as 1 or 2? Sounds like variations don't count so we can't use the 1962 Green tints. What about the 1963 Bazooka All Time Greats? They were issued in Gold and Silver. Is that a variation or two different sets? I'm guessing somewhere around 35,000 for me. -Bob R. Sent from Outlook From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:36 PM To: jd3681@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question JD and others, On the OBC Directory page there is a link to Set Collectors Recognition levels. In addition to showing who is at what levels (based upon only thosethat have reported totals to George) are George's supposed rules for the counting. Variations do not count. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Obc Ranblings Sent: Thu, Dec 28, 2017 9:03 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question All this emailing about 50,000 and 30000 and in Mike's case 80000 cards gotme thinking but my question is do variations count towards the final countor no and if we can't count Coke caps can we count coins such as the 71 and 64 Topps coins John E Dahms 310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= Date: Fri, 29 Dec 2017 21:23:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question From: Ken M Bob,  I try to refer to the SCD to answer any questions I have. Hopefully I can answer yours, as I currently don't have the financial means to treat the rules committee to the lavish vacation they're requested previously.  I refer to the complete set listing for sets like '55 Double Headers, '41 Double Plays and Mecca Double folds. The complete set is listed at half the total number of players, so 2 players = 1 "card". Furthermore, you would have to physically cut the card to separate the players.  Now where *I think* this differs is something like Topps stamps (which I just realized I haven't counted my 1969's). Something that is made to be easily separated (perforated or pre-cut) can be considered separate cards. 1980-81 basketball can be 3 "cards" on each piece of cardboard. 1969 Topps stamps came 10 stamps to a sheet (and if I ever conplete the set, I'll have 240 individual stamps stuck in the albums).  The '63 Bazooka ATG silvers are basically a variation, since they are identical to the normally found gold cards, much like the white/gray stock variations found in many sets. BTW, I counted up my variations just to total them (not to add to my count) and I have roughly 1000 of them. So all the stock differences, stat changes, color variations and tints only account for 2-3% of my total collection. Doesn't seem like much, especially if you consider the time/money I used to acquire them - it "feels" like it should be a lot more, but it isn't.  Hope this answers some of your questions... Or at least gives you my interpretation of the official rules. (Disclaimer: I have no input on the actual rules and am just making a lot of this up as I go.) Happy collecting, Ken M - the above statements are not paid for, endorsed, recognized or in any way associated with the "official rules" of the Collectors Recognition Level committee or it's staff and should be considered the mindless babble of an experienced, but otherwise obsessive and slightly deranged collector. Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Dec 29, 2017 7:03 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question I may try to come up with my number this weekend.  I do have a few counting questions though: For the 1969 Football 4 in 1 "stamps".  Does each individual "stamp" count as 1 or 0.25?  And if you have an intact card of 4 as well as all four of the "stamps" separated, does that count as 1, 2, or 5? Same questions for the 1980-81 basketball cards?  I have some intact, some separated, and I even have an uncut sheet.  Not sure how to count those. Topps baseball 1955 double headers.  Do they count as 1 or 2? Sounds like variations don't count so we can't use the 1962 Green tints.  What about the 1963 Bazooka All Time Greats?  They were issued in Gold and Silver.  Is that a variation or two different sets? I'm guessing somewhere around 35,000 for me. -Bob R. Sent from Outlook From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2017 10:36 PM To: jd3681@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question  JD and others,  On the OBC Directory page there is a link to Set Collectors Recognition levels.  In addition to showing who is at what levels (based upon only those that have reported totals to George) are George's supposed rules for the counting.  Variations do not count.  Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: Obc Ranblings > Sent: Thu, Dec 28, 2017 9:03 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card numbers question  All this emailing about 50,000 and 30000 and in Mike's case 80000 cards got me thinking but my question is do variations count towards the final count or no and if we can't count Coke caps can we count coins such as the 71 and 64 Topps coins John E Dahms310 E Addison st Jackson mi. 49203 ================= Date: 30 Dec 2017 18:08:55 +0000 To: Subject: 2018 Collecting goals From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 30 Dec 2017 22:23:04 +0000 To: Subject: Never know what you may find - 1943 MP & Co cards From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 17:25:56 -0500 To: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Never know what you may find - 1943 MP & Co cards From: Andy Huntoon Heck of a deal Gersh! Nice score for sure. Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 5:23 PM, larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Was fortunate enough to acquire a dozen different 1943 MP & Co cards at > an estate sale auction. > The group included Ott, Cronin, Dickey, Foxx, Hubbell, Ruffing, Camilli, > Van DerMeer, > Novikoff, M.Cooper, Medwick, & Henrich. > The Medwick card was my only dupe. > Total price.........$ 30. > It sure made my Holiday happy, > Gersh ================= Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:46:10 -0800 To: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Never know what you may find - 1943 MP & Co cards From: John Stamper Awesome!! I'll check your list to see what I might have for you. John Stamper > On Dec 30, 2017, at 2:23 PM, larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Was fortunate enough to acquire a dozen different 1943 MP & Co cards at an estate sale auction. > The group included Ott, Cronin, Dickey, Foxx, Hubbell, Ruffing, Camilli, Van > Novikoff, M.Cooper, Medwick, & Henrich. > The Medwick card was my only dupe. > Total price.........$ 30. > It sure made my Holiday happy, > Gersh ================= To: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 19:49:36 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Never know what you may find - 1943 MP & Co cards From: "Sal Domino" Now you need to go check George=E2=99s list of all the MANY variations! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 30, 2017 5:23 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Never know what you may find - 1943 MP & Co cards Was fortunate enough to acquire a dozen different 1943 MP & Co cards at anestate sale auction. The group included Ott, Cronin, Dickey, Foxx, Hubbell, Ruffing, Camilli, Van Novikoff, M.Cooper, Medwick, & Henrich. The Medwick card was my only dupe. Total price.........$ 30. It sure made my Holiday happy, ================= Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 16:52:52 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2018 Collecting goals From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Thanks for starting this thread. I added 62 cards this year. I added six blank back / miscut / wrong backs . I am trying to get from each from 1957 to 1986 Topps. I need ten more blank backs, 21 wrong backs, and only one miscut (1985). I was able to add five cards to my contemporary HOF'er (1901-2001) set. The collection is complete, except some shiny stuff. The five were swapped to fill holes in my Diamond Star and Goudey 4 in 1 sets. I added five types, 16 player and 30 set hits. My goals for 2018 are: - Review Class of 2018 HOF'ers and add to the HOF set as appropriate. - One T-200 hit - Add five blank back / miscut / wrong backs - Add five player hits - Add fifteen set hits - Trim down my type set . I met my 1,500 goal. There are a couple dozen I would like to pick up and will need to update my list. - Possibly add a pair of sets On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 10:08 AM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I post one of these every year, and I am also always interested in reading > about other members goals as well, so if you would like to chime in, I'd > love to hear it! > In 2017, my goals were simple- finish a few sets (58 Topps FB, 59 Topps > baseball, and 72-73 Topps baskeball) to not start any new sets, and to make > progress on every set on my want list. > So, how did I do? > 2 out of 3 on the set completion- 58 Topps FB was killed at the April > Strongsville show and 59 Topps baseball was finished at the end of August > when I broke down and bought the last card on eBay. > 72-73 Topps basketball is down to one card- the Julius Erving RC- which > will be a focus of this year. > I also finished several other sets I did not expect to finish. Thanks > mostly to OBC, I killed 69 Topps baseball and70-71 Topps Hockey, I > purchased the last card I needed for the 1983 Kellogg's set (not vintage I > know, but I feel that a casual mention here wont bother too many) and > thanks to my wife, finished the 1976 Isaly's Disc set when she bought me > the entire set in pristine condition for my birthday! > I did add one new set- Topps Look N See- but I cut a few football sets and > a few non sport sets, so I actually need less cards now than I did at the > start of the year... > I hit every set at least one time, except my one pre-war set, 1934-36 > Batter Up, which did not get hit at all. Since I want them complete, this > is not completely surprising- I passed up a few buys on this set where the > cards were missing the top, so I am pretty ok with this. > So now (for those who are still reading) on to my 2018 goals > 1. Enjoy the National and Strongsville show- meet more OBCers, and spend > lots more time with this fine group and hobby. Since the National is 15 > minutes from my house this year, I expect to spend every minute that the > show is open at it... starting to save cash up for that already!!! > 2. Obtain the Julius Erving rookie card to finish the 72-73 Topps > basketball set. > 3. I would like to finish at least 3 other sets this year. 63 Fleer is one > of my favorites so I will focus on that one. Also I am pretty close on 64 > Topps Giants, but I would like to knock out a Topps set as well- ideally I > can finish 70-72 this year! > 4. Hit every set on my want list > 5. Start on the mid 50s Topps baseball sets, but I wont start a new set > until I finish one. From now on, it is finish a set before adding a set. > 6. Hear about everyone else's collecting goals and help as much as I can > whenever I can! > Thanks for reading- feel free to share your goals as well, I, and most of > OBC, would love to read about them > Ed Hutchinson ================= Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:02:00 -0500 To: Erik & Leticia Greenwood Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2018 Collecting goals From: Jake Brewer Mine=E2=99s definitely not all vintage, so this serves as your UV warning. Heck, its on the ramblings server anyways. On to my 2018 collecting goals! 2018 Collecting Goals Pay off Babe Ruth/Honeymoon so I can buy collection stuff again. (We=E2=99ll see how long this takes ha- all goals come after this one). Acquire 700 vintage cards. (Should be fairly possible if I get quite a few =E260s) Acquire 25 Autos. (Will/should be mostly if not all baseball HOFers, see later Acquire 10 Auto=E2=99d baseballs. (I had this component too high last year, lowered it). Acquire 10 bobbleheads. (Same as #4). Acquire 10 pre-50s cards. (I sadly didnt come close to getting 25 of these in 2017- lets see if I can get 10). Attend 2 card shows. (way over this in 2017, but 2018 will be a busy year). Upload all PC Youtube videos. (I have several done, but several more to go). Complete building Ultimate Collection Storage Unit. (started!) Complete Vintage component on my website; with pictures of ALL cards. (Thiswill take FOREVER and may the most challenging task). Get to 100 different HOF Auto=E2=99d cards. (started at 79). Get to 33% completion on Total Wantlists (started at 28%) I=E2=99m sure OBC will do their part, I hope I can help some others reach their goals this year too! -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2017, at 7:52 PM, 'Erik & Leticia Greenwood' elhegreenwood@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ed, > Thanks for starting this thread. I added 62 cards this year. > I added six blank back / miscut / wrong backs. I am trying to get from each from 1957 to 1986 Topps. I need ten more blank backs, 21 wrong backs, and only one miscut (1985). > I was able to add five cards to my contemporary HOF'er (1901-2001) set. The collection is complete, except some shiny stuff. The five were swapped to fill holes in my Diamond Star and Goudey 4 in 1 sets. > I added five types, 16 player and 30 set hits. > My goals for 2018 are: > Review Class of 2018 HOF'ers and add to the HOF set as appropriate. > One T-200 hit > Add five blank back / miscut / wrong backs > Add five player hits > Add fifteen set hits > Trim down my type set. I met my 1,500 goal. There are a couple dozen I would like to pick up and will need to update my list. > Possibly add a pair of sets >> On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 10:08 AM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> I post one of these every year, and I am also always interested in reading about other members goals as well, so if you would like to chime in, I'dlove to hear it! >> In 2017, my goals were simple- finish a few sets (58 Topps FB, 59 Topps baseball, and 72-73 Topps baskeball) to not start any new sets, and to makeprogress on every set on my want list. >> So, how did I do? >> 2 out of 3 on the set completion- 58 Topps FB was killed at the April Strongsville show and 59 Topps baseball was finished at the end of August when I broke down and bought the last card on eBay. >> 72-73 Topps basketball is down to one card- the Julius Erving RC- which will be a focus of this year. >> I also finished several other sets I did not expect to finish. Thanks mostly to OBC, I killed 69 Topps baseball and70-71 Topps Hockey, I purchased the last card I needed for the 1983 Kellogg's set (not vintage I know, but I feel that a casual mention here wont bother too many) and thanks to my wife, finished the 1976 Isaly's Disc set when she bought me the entire set inpristine condition for my birthday! >> I did add one new set- Topps Look N See- but I cut a few football sets and a few non sport sets, so I actually need less cards now than I did at the start of the year... >> I hit every set at least one time, except my one pre-war set, 1934-36 Batter Up, which did not get hit at all. Since I want them complete, this is not completely surprising- I passed up a few buys on this set where the cards were missing the top, so I am pretty ok with this. >> So now (for those who are still reading) on to my 2018 goals >> 1. Enjoy the National and Strongsville show- meet more OBCers, and spendlots more time with this fine group and hobby. Since the National is 15 minutes from my house this year, I expect to spend every minute that the showis open at it... starting to save cash up for that already!!! >> 2. Obtain the Julius Erving rookie card to finish the 72-73 Topps basketball >> 3. I would like to finish at least 3 other sets this year. 63 Fleer is one of my favorites so I will focus on that one. Also I am pretty close on 64 Topps Giants, but I would like to knock out a Topps set as well- ideally I can finish 70-72 this year! >> 4. Hit every set on my want list >> 5. Start on the mid 50s Topps baseball sets, but I wont start a new set until I finish one. From now on, it is finish a set before adding a set. >> 6. Hear about everyone else's collecting goals and help as much as I canwhenever I can! >> Thanks for reading- feel free to share your goals as well, I, and most of OBC, would love to read about them >> Ed Hutchinson ================= Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 23:21:03 -0500 To: jehutch75@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2018 Collecting goals From: ShoelessWes Good thread. My 2018 goals are: -finish 1950 Bowman -finish 1959, 1960 Topps -finish 1964/65 Topps hockey -focus on good deals only -connect with another prospective new member, somewhere. (Spreading OBC imperialism) 2017 accomplishments were subtle, but i managed to visit the national, started a few more sets, spread attacks to other sport sets, and finally, got the kids to memorize the route to the post office. Wes Shepard > On Dec 30, 2017, at 1:08 PM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I post one of these every year, and I am also always interested in reading about other members goals as well, so if you would like to chime in, I'd love to hear it! > In 2017, my goals were simple- finish a few sets (58 Topps FB, 59 Topps baseball, and 72-73 Topps baskeball) to not start any new sets, and to make progress on every set on my want list. > So, how did I do? > 2 out of 3 on the set completion- 58 Topps FB was killed at the April Strongsville show and 59 Topps baseball was finished at the end of August whenI broke down and bought the last card on eBay. > 72-73 Topps basketball is down to one card- the Julius Erving RC- which will be a focus of this year. > I also finished several other sets I did not expect to finish. Thanks mostly to OBC, I killed 69 Topps baseball and70-71 Topps Hockey, I purchased the last c ard I needed for the 1983 Kellogg's set (not vintage I know, but I feel that a casual mention here wont bother too many) and thanks to my wife, finished the 1976 Isaly's Disc set when she bought me the entire set inpristine condition for my birthday! > I did add one new set- Topps Look N See- but I cut a few football sets and a few non sport sets, so I actually need less cards now than I did at thestart of the year... > I hit every set at least one time, except my one pre-war set, 1934-36 Batter Up, which did not get hit at all. Since I want them complete, this is not completely surprising- I passed up a few buys on this set where the cards were missing the top, so I am pretty ok with this. > So now (for those who are still reading) on to my 2018 goals > 1. Enjoy the National and Strongsville show- meet more OBCers, and spend l ots more time with this fine group and hobby. Since the National is 15 minutes from my house this year, I expect to spend every minute that the showis open at it... starting to save cash up for that already!!! > 2. Obtain the Julius Erving rookie card to finish the 72-73 Topps basketball > 3. I would like to finish at least 3 other sets this year. 63 Fleer is one of my favorites so I will focus on that one. Also I am pretty close on 64Topps Giants, but I would like to knock out a Topps set as well- ideally Ican finish 70-72 this year! > 4. Hit every set on my want list > 5. Start on the mid 50s Topps baseball sets, but I wont start a new set until I finish one. From now on, it is finish a set before adding a set. > 6. Hear about everyone else's collecting goals and help as much as I can whenever I can! > Thanks for reading- feel free to share your goals as well, I, and most ofOBC, would love to read about them > Ed Hutchinson ================= To: Date: Sat, 30 Dec 2017 20:26:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Card numbers question From: "George Vrechek" Ken Morganti's and Mike Rich's rambles on the subject have captured the spirit of the seriousness and specificity of the OBC Set Collection Recognition rules. Remember also that one of the options for counting is to just make up a number that sounds believable and leave it at that. Good job, George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 00:02:59 -0500 Subject: Yearly summaries, stats and objectives From: "Matt Yudt" Dec 31 2017 =E2=93 cards : stats, progress, milestones and future objectives Looking back at what I wrote a year ago =E2=93 wanted to add at least 2400 baseball cards and also add vintage football to my collection and try and get 4000 of those. If I did this I would reach 30,000 vintage cards. For probably the 3rd year in a row, the objective was finding deals on quantity rather than completing or focusing on certain sets. Although I did havea few =E2sub agendas=E2=99 too I came up a bit short. I added 1539 baseball, over 301 were topps run hits, where I was hoping to get at least 100 getting me under 1K needed for the52-80 run. Smashed that one. Also wanted to add over 300 bowmans and got343 new ones in 2017. Was hoping OPC could carry me far too, but only added 375 =E2=93 well short of the 1000 I thought I could add. My total vintage baseball stands at 25,067 unique cards. As for football, I added 3473 =E2=93 or I should say YOU, OBC, added probably more than 2/3 of that. I also added a meager 25 vintage hockey cardsfor the fun =E2Hocktober fest=E2=99 we had. I also bought Lou Alcinder rookie for a total vintage basketball of 1. My total vintage sports count thus stands at 28,566. A little bit of stats are now collected on sets too. I have cards from 197baseball sets with 68 of them being completed. This is an increase from last year of 16 new sets added and 13 sets completed. This is my first yearfor football and I have cards from 31 sets with only 1 (73 topps team chklst) Collecting goals for 2018: Beyond the usual =E2=9Cas much as possible for as little as possible=E2=9D, I would like to knock of 2 topps-run sets. Got to 1 card needed with one set this year and pretty close on a few others. Time to get off the wallet. Want to double the football collectiontoo =E2=93 means another 3500 there. Other than that, I=E2=99m open! One last goal, and one I tried for a couple years now =E2=93 made it until October this year; but I would like to go through an entire year of selecting MY NAME first from the drop down list when accessing the group addresses, instead of the guy whose address I=E2=99m looking up. Doh! Happy New Year everyone! OBC Forever Matt Yudt ================= Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 05:54:26 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Website update, complaining and 2018 ramblings From: BRIAN of Tripod=E2=99s pop up and interceptions on the Free Lycos/Tripod site I have been using for 20 + years (my entire OBC career)
I guess Free was the key, but Google is free too...so I didn=E2=99t increase my website budget by swapping.

I am now at https://sites.google.com/familytoad/home

Complaining is that I spent a few hours moving things over and I really don=E2=99t like the google web editor. By using a WYSIWYG editor instead of free form HTML, you are limited to whatever fonts, text boxes and format that they offer...not much in this case!  I lined up a picture of each set next to the text box list , on my laptop ( google sites isn=E2=99t mobile editing friendly, and I almost always use my IPad for anything I do online) ...then I checked on my iPad after I edited my OBC profile. Well, the pictures vertically aligned on the left side aren=E2=99t lined up anymore...not even close. Looked good on my laptop. It looks stupid on my iPad.
I reminded myself of the price...

The price is important since I have to meet my 2018 goals and it=E2=99s getting down tothe tough ones in my version of the Topps Run (1952-1980, no high 52)
Ineed just 16 more...and there are big guns among them.

My goal is to get 13 hits this year and leave 3.

I=E2=99m going to leave 2 of these 3 big ones : 63 Rose, 52 Mays, 67 Seaver...and one common.
I figure I=E2=99ll look for the best deal on one of those big ones, not sure which one I will end up with...and then kill the rest (stupid high numbers in 66 and 67). I will leave one easier card for one of you to topple my Topps list :-)

I=E2=99m going to finish another prewar set this year too...I don=E2=99t know which one. Probably the 1910 OBAK. Then I can start a new set...

I=E2=99m going to hit 20 complete sets of 1971Topps FB, it will be mainly getting 5 more Bradshaw cards, the rest are easy. I have 15 full and 29 partials.

I=E2=99m going to find a new home for thousands of UV and junk era stars. They are in the bottom of a big stack of boxes, I haven=E2=99t opened some of them in a decade. Time to move them!

I=E2=99m going to organize the collection...wait I said that last year and it didn=E2=99t happen:-(

I=E2=99m going to add to my SGC prewar HOF collection.
My favorite part of my collection.
I could add 50 to it without buying a card, I just have to submitthem for slabbing. I like low grade slabbed cards.

I=E2=99m going to send out more RAOK, my favorite part of my hobby.
I bought a fun lot of cards from Net54 that should help me with ammo.
I hope I can meetmy goals!

OBC Forever,
Brian



Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 06:32:42 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Yearly Goals From: Larry Tipton I do this a couple times a month Matt! One last goal, and one I tried for a couple years now =E2=93 made it until October this year; but I would like to go through an entire year of selecting MY NAME first from the drop down list when accessing the group addresses, instead of the guy whose address I=E2=99m looking up. Doh! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 15:07:43 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: 2017 goal progress and new ones for 2018 From: Matthew Glidden Status check on goals for 2017: 1935 Goudey Knot Hole League: have 7, get 12+ : *Made it, have 14 now* 1936 Goudey Master Set: have 32, get 50+ : *Made it, have 79* 1954 Red Heart: finish set : *Made it* 1962-63 Stat Back Exhibits: 20+ hits to current lists : *Maybe? Got at least a dozen. Still need a bunch from all three sets.* 1963 Fleer: finish set (23 left) : *Need extra #5 Mays for type set. Almost 1970 & 1971 Fleer World Series: Finish regular sets : *Need 5 for 1970 and 16 for 1971.* New goals for 2018: 1933 Goudey Sport Kings: Knock two "big names" off the wantlist (Cobb, Ruth, Thorpe, etc.) 1933 Goudey Varsity Football: finish the set (need 4) 1935 Goudey 4-in-1: Finish 2+ complete puzzle backs 1936 Goudey Master Set: Have 79, break 100+ 1957 Topps: Finish upgrades to GVG (15) 1960 Fleer: Finish set (need 7) 1960 Leaf: Finish low # (need 13) 1970 & 1971 Fleer World Series: this time for sure 1972 Fleer Famous Feats: Finish set (need 15) Grapefruit League Spring Training Games: Have tix for Red Sox in late Feb! HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE! ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Matthew Glidden Date: Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 8:50 PM Subject: Past goal progress and new ones for 2017 To: obc ramblings Updates on my goals from 2014-15, as it looks like I skipped setting goals for 2016. :-) 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) : *finished lows in 2016!* 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 : *finished set in 2015!* 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) : *have 29, just 4 left!* 1958 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG : *finished upgrades in 2016!* 1962 Post: cut list to under 10 : *finished set in 2015!* 1977 TMCA/Galasso: cut list in half (60 left) : *close, 35 to go!* New goals for 2017: 1935 Goudey Knot Hole League: have 7, get 12+ 1936 Goudey Master Set: have 32, get 50+ 1954 Red Heart: finish set 1962-63 Stat Back Exhibits: 20+ hits to current lists 1963 Fleer: finish set (23 left) 1970 & 1971 Fleer World Series: finish regular sets ...#5 type hits are slow going these days, so I'll consider those a "reach Best wishes to all for a fruitful 2017! On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:00 PM Matthew Glidden > I made some big and some small steps on 2014 goals, thanks to OBC friends > and successful shows, esp at last year's National. The biggest hit was > completion of 1934 Goudey, as #37 Gehrig arrived in November, with other > progress below. > 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) : s*till 3 left (31, 42, 45)* > 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) : *done!* > 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) : *still 23 left* > 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) : *up to 8* > 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) : *done!* > 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) : *still 3 left (54,357,455)* > Blogging went slow (42 total posts), but picked up tough #5 type cards > along the way, including 1952 Bedard & Donaldson, 1973 Topps "1953 > reprints," and 1967 Kabaya-Leaf! > Here are a couple of new targets: > 1958 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (30+ left) > 1962 Post: cut list to under 10 (20 left) > 1977 TMCA/Galasso: cut list in half (60 left) > Good luck to all in 2015 and start the countdown to opening day! > Spike > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Matthew Glidden* > Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 > Subject: 2014 goals > My goals this year are simple, but not necessarily easy: > 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) > 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) > 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) > 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) > 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) > 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) > One solid year of writing will push my type collection blog to 1000 posts, > so add that to the pile. > Good luck to everyone on their 2014 goals and looking forward to OBC's > next National! > Spike ================= To: Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 10:19:39 -0500 Subject: Available non-sports From: "Bob Donaldson" Picked the following up from a dime box this morning Goomer Pyle cards - have a bunch, point me to your list Topps Racing Cards - I'm guessing early 70s #s 13 30 35 36 52 Green Berets #11 ================= Date: 31 Dec 2017 19:32:42 +0000 To: Subject: 69-70 Topps basketball waivers- send me want list From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 14:08:05 -0600 Subject: 2018 Collecting Goals From: mark zentkovich Goals set for 2017/completion status: Reduce 61 set from 40 to 30..those high numbers sure are expensive - did not meet- actually went backwards with major gremlin event in midseries Get 69 set down to 5 or less major stars - goal met, set completed, thanks to all who helped! Finish two 70s baseball second sets (74 and 75 underway) - goal met, thanks to all who helped! Finish two 70s football sets (77 and 78 underway) - almost...last 77 in transit, and 10 to go on 78 help other folks collections along the way Goals for 2018: recover lost 61 cards, about 30 to go finish 76 baseball second set work 71 baseball second set from 64% complete to 80% complete start an 70s sspc baseball set (have starter set in hand to begin) finish 78 football set main goal for 2018 is kind of general- move 5-10 vintage sets from boxes tobinders, upgrading and helping others upgrade along the way uv- continue to tinker in cardinals team sets and adding new redskins to team collections without spending much money in these categories. help other folks collections along the way thanks for reading...mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2017 21:28:15 +0000 Subject: Re: 2016 COLLECTING GOALS From: Mac Wubben