================= Date: Tue, 31 Oct 2017 20:16:35 -0400 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: A very heavy heart tonite From: JDahms ================= Date: 01 Nov 2017 00:50:34 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cutover planned for OBC website after tonight's WS game From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 13:48:28 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Stamps From: Bob Donaldson Anyone know anything about stamps? I have a Postage Stamp Album by Whitman Publishing Company, copyright 1935. However, I'm guessing its from the late 30s/early 40s (one German stamp has swastika). It was my mother's (b. 1928). Must be over a thousand stamps from all over the world. Most or all canceled. Not sure what to do with it, perhaps I'll keep it. Any chance these are worth anything? ================= Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 16:04:25 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps From: Ken M Bob,  I'm not an expert by any means other than I have a stamp collection myself. I discontinued adding to it when I started focusing on my card collection (a loong time ago). My gut reaction is that the collection itself has little monetary value, as I have some old German stamps in my album. I haven't pulled the album out in decades, but some of the online images of stamps from the 30's and 40's looked familiar to me - which only means they can be had for a few pennies and are quite plentiful. I also noticed that unused mint stamps from the same era weren't worth the great fortunes I dreamed they'd be worth when I was a teenager (cancelled ones are even less). Like many of the cards in my collection, they have more sentimental value than anything. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 1:48 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Stamps Anyone know anything about stamps?  I have a Postage Stamp Album by Whitman Publishing Company, copyright 1935.  However, I'm guessing its from the late 30s/early 40s (one German stamp has swastika).  It was my mother's (b. 1928).  Must be over a thousand stamps from all over the world.  Most or all canceled.  Not sure what to do with it, perhaps I'll keep it.  Any chance these are worth anything? ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 20:34:20 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Wed, 01 Nov 2017 17:20:48 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps From: Ken M Another case in point with stamp values (that Aaron's reply reminded me about) is that older, unused, low denomination US stamps can be bought for less than face value. Hence, you can mail a letter for less money by putting a few more stamps on it. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 4:34 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: obcbobd@gmail.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps Bob and othersMy experience is that “what they’re worth” is a very difficult thing to pin down because it is so hard to find a buyer. My local coin and stamp shop GAVE me a big paper grocery bag full of vintage canceled stamps. Literally thousands of them. If I recall correctly they had them in the back of the store for years and never had anyone come in to inquire about stamps. At all. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 1, 2017, at 3:04 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  Bob,  I'm not an expert by any means other than I have a stamp collection myself. I discontinued adding to it when I started focusing on my card collection (a loong time ago). My gut reaction is that the collection itself has little monetary value, as I have some old German stamps in my album. I haven't pulled the album out in decades, but some of the online images of stamps from the 30's and 40's looked familiar to me - which only means they can be had for a few pennies and are quite plentiful. I also noticed that unused mint stamps from the same era weren't worth the great fortunes I dreamed they'd be worth when I was a teenager (cancelled ones are even less). Like many of the cards in my collection, they have more sentimental value than anything. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Wed, Nov 1, 2017 1:48 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Stamps Anyone know anything about stamps?  I have a Postage Stamp Album by Whitman Publishing Company, copyright 1935.  However, I'm guessing its from the late 30s/early 40s (one German stamp has swastika).  It was my mother's (b. 1928).  Must be over a thousand stamps from all over the world.  Most or all canceled.  Not sure what to do with it, perhaps I'll keep it.  Any chance these are worth anything? Posted by: Aaron Shirley > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html ================= To: Ken M Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 21:28:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 01 Nov 2017 23:47:09 +0000 To: Subject: Lets lighten the mood with some waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 03:25:49 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Happy birthday to Mac and Steve From: Matthew Glidden Big birthday wishes to Mac Wubben and Steve Rittenberg! (If I have my dates right... :-) ================= Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2017 22:33:39 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps From: T J Content-Disposition: inline Hi Bob, My dad is a lifelong stamp collector. Wax year for his bday and Christmas, I usually get him some stamps off his wantlists. I use Mystic Stamp Companyas a "price guide". If you go to their website and search their catalog, you should be able to find the US stamps without an issue. In my experience,the big dollar stamps are from the 1800's. Cancelled stamps can be worth significantly less. A lot if similarities to the card collecting world. Let me know if you have any other questions. I can fire them to my dad. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-11-01 12:50:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps Anyone know anything about stamps? I have a Postage Stamp Album by Whitman Publishing Company, copyright 1935. However, I'm guessing its from the late30s/early 40s (one German stamp has swastika). It was my mother's (b. 1928). Must be over a thousand stamps from all over the world. Most or all canceled. Not sure what to do with it, perhaps I'll keep it. Any chance these are worth anything? ================= Date: 02 Nov 2017 05:00:23 +0000 To: Subject: Game 7 From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:37:50 -0500 Subject: Website working fine. Thanks Wayne Delia and others From: "George Vrechek" As suggested, I sat tight and tried again today. After clearing cookies etc for both Chrome and Internet Explorer, the OBC website and my currrent wantlist all seem to be working fine on any computer I have. I'm glad I didn't have to learn any more about the conversion process or how sausage is made. Occasional computer problem-fixers like me have to be reminded of some basic fixes like clearing history. Thanks, Wayne, for bearing with us all and to several others who helped 'splain the solutions. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 11:22:00 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website working fine. Thanks Wayne Delia and From: Ken M Hope things worked out better for you, George. After clearing all my cookies, I must've gained four pounds from all the Oreo's, Toll House's and Nutter Butter's I ate. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 10:37 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Website working fine. Thanks Wayne Delia and others As suggested, I sat tight and tried again today. After clearing cookies etc for both Chrome and Internet Explorer, the OBC website and my currrent wantlist all seem to be working fine on any computer I have. I’m glad I didn’t have to learn any more about the conversion process or how sausage is made. Occasional computer problem-fixers like me have to be reminded of some basic fixes like clearing history. Thanks, Wayne, for bearing with us all and to several others who helped ‘splain the solutions.George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 09:52:26 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stamps and a book From: Mike Diamanti Greetings Cardboard Enthusiasts: Am responding to Bob Donaldson's post about his mother's stamp collection. As Brian the Family Toad will confirm, I got interested in stamps a few years ago thanks to a cribbage buddy of mine who has been a life long collector, and somewhat of a national expert. Collecting and history have gone together for me my whole adult life. Stamps allowed kids to "see" different parts of the US and the world through little pieces of paper. I got interested because I could buy 19th century stamps from countries like Peru and Japan and places I've never heard of, for less than $5 on Evilbay. When I was on the Oregon coast earlier this year, I bought a stamp collection from the 1940s for less than $45. It's probably very similar to the collection Bob's mother put together. I'm still going through the countries, looking up things and learning. What I don't want or keep, I sell on Ebay for, yep, less than $5. If any of you have stamps, stock certificates, maps, ephemera, old paper you want to get rid off, contact me privately. I'm still working on early Bowman baseball and football sets and keep an eye out for unusual cardboard, but my collecting interests have always roamed far and wide. One of the most famous, or infamous US stamps is the 1918 inverted "Jenny". Airmail service in the US started in 1918 and one sheet of a 100 stamps was printed incorrectly (upside down airplane image), and sold to a lucky buyer in Washington D.C. My wife and her writing partner have been working on a book about this stamp, its history, history of airmail service, and the stories about the collectors who have chased these Jennys through the years since 1918. Here's a link to their blog if interested: https://www.stampofthecentury.com/ 2018 will be the 100th anniversary of the stamps issuance, and when their book comes out. Oh, and my cribbage buddy stamp collector -- he has two of the Jenny's. I've seen them and they are amazing. Back to your regular cardboard collecting mania pursuits. Cheers, Mates! Mike Diamanti Coupeville, WA ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:06:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 11:26:53 -0600 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book From: James Silva Cool thread - I was a pretty avid stamp collector as a kid - it was something I did when I visited my dad but also at home on my own. I got Dad back into it when inmy adult years although I didn=E2=99t personally get active with it again. Now I have my collection and his collection. I will get back into it atsome point because, you know, 57 hobbies is just not enough! I have a nicecollection of first day covers because my mom worked in a doctor=E2=99soffice and one of the doctors passed them along to me. I have US and international stamps and really have always liked all of them - I know you are supposed to specialize but never did. I look forward to going through all ofthe collection at some point but I am far from knowledgable. I learned a lot about the world from collecting stamps and will always associate it withSaturday visits with my dad. Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 > On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:06 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That=E2=99s cool we have a few stamp collectors represented. I have collected British coins on and off since the summer of 1998. In the early 2000=E2=99s, a guy from my church got me started with a British stamp collection too. I still get it out and try to add to it once in a great while. > Plus I know Mike Rich collects (or used to) sports-themed stamps. > Aaron > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Mike Diamanti islandcoffeeman@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Greetings Cardboard Enthusiasts: >> Am responding to Bob Donaldson's post about his mother's stamp collection. As Brian the Family Toad will confirm, I got interested in stamps a fewyears ago thanks to a cribbage buddy of mine who has been a life long collector, and somewhat of a national expert. >> Collecting and history have gone together for me my whole adult life. Stamps allowed kids to "see" different parts of the US and the world through little pieces of paper. I got interested because I could buy 19th century stamps from countries like Peru and Japan and places I've never heard of, for less than $5 on Evilbay. >> When I was on the Oregon coast earlier this year, I bought a stamp collection from the 1940s for less than $45. >> It's probably very similar to the collection Bob's mother put together. I'm still going through the countries, looking up things and learning. What I don't want or keep, I sell on Ebay for, yep, less than $5. If any of you have stamps, stock certificates, maps, ephemera, old paper you want to get rid off, contact me privately. I'm still working on early Bowman baseball and football sets and keep an eye out for unusual cardboard, but my collecting interests have always roamed far and wide. >> One of the most famous, or infamous US stamps is the 1918 inverted "Jenny". Airmail service in the US started in 1918 and one sheet of a 100 stamps was printed incorrectly (upside down airplane image), and sold to a luckybuyer in Washington D.C. My wife and her writing partner have been working on a book about this stamp, its history, history of airmail service, and the stories about the collectors who have chased these Jennys through the years since 1918. Here's a link to their blog if interested: >> https://www.stampofthecentury.com/ >> 2018 will be the 100th anniversary of the stamps issuance, and when their book comes out. Oh, and my cribbage buddy stamp collector -- he has two of the Jenny's. I've seen them and they are amazing. >> Back to your regular cardboard collecting mania pursuits. >> Cheers, Mates! >> Mike Diamanti >> Coupeville, WA >> Virus-free. www.avast.com ================= To: Ken M Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:55:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website working fine. Thanks Wayne Delia and From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 15:15:46 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ron Barrett From: Andy Cook Ron was a dealer who set up at most major east coast shows between 1990-2010 and I know many OBCers knew him. Ron introduced me to Brett Domue at the 1997 Chantilly Show, which introduction led to me joining a OBC the next year. Ron passed away this week and will be missed by everyone who knew him, especially his many card collecting friends. Sent from my iPad ================= To: Andy Cook Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 19:37:21 +0000 Subject: How did you hear about OBC? From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:03:43 +0000 Subject: Re: How did you hear about OBC? From: Bob Reed I would also like to express my condolences to the loved ones of Ron and Rich, and to JD on the loss of his son, Justin. I enjoyed talking to and buying from Ron (and his wife Sheila) at the National. He was a friendly guy and liked what OBC was all about. He appears twice on my acknowledgment page finishing off my 1956 Topps and 1964 Topps Giants sets. He will be missed. Thanks Aaron for starting this topic. Was it really 12 years ago when I told you about OBC? You've been a welcomed addition and I'm glad you're having I first heard about OBC in early 1998 from former member Steve Simms. I forgot what web site we met on but I remember our first trade. There were other cards involved but the highlight was me sending him a 1973 Mike Schmidtrookie in return for a 1967 Rod Carew rookie. And similar to Aaron's story, I used to live about 10 miles from Steve back in the day but had moved from Ohio to Connecticut about 12 years before discovering this fine group. It's possible Steve and I both attended the same card shows in Canton, Ohio in the early 80's. I wonder what Steve is up to now. I hope he's doing well. I've been out of the loop in sending stuff out and in sending thanks. I'm WAY behind in acknowledging people and hope to rectify that soon. I also hope to put together a mass mailing by the end of the year. -Bob Reed From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 3:37 PM To: Andy Cook Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. Sometimes our response to sadness doesn=92t make sense. Mine, in this moment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got into OBCin the first place. That got me thinking. I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of funand intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions of CARDS, not just baseball. There wasn=92t much other talk in that thread, but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site called OBC. That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. ...thanks Bob. I=92m still pretty honored to be in this group. PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived lessthan a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent until afterI moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= To: Aaron Shirley , Andy Cook Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 17:56:14 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: mark zentkovich I heard about OBC in some Prodigy Message Boards back in mid 90s I forget who the first person I dealt with, but may be Bob Corvello or Sal Domino Mark Zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 2, 2017 2:37 PM To: Andy Cook Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. Sometimes our response to sadness doesn=E2=99t make sense. Mine, in thismoment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got into OBC in the first place. Thatgot me thinking. I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of funand intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions of CARDS, not just baseball. There wasn=E2=99t much other talk in that thread, but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site called OBC. That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. ....thanks Bob. I=E2=99m still pretty honored to be in this group. PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived lessthan a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent until afterI moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2017 19:37:37 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: Ken M    Sad news about Ron. He was always a stand up guy. I remember him for letting us use his table at the National for a meeting point and letting us store our bags, heavy items and refreshments behind his table. My fondest memory of him was when he donated items to one of our charity auctions. I'm pretty sure it was the Rick Redpath auction, where we raised over $3k on eBay towards a scholarship fund for Rick's two kids. I was the group's "auctioneer". Ron donated a few nice items for the cause, including one in particular - a small lot of maybe a dozen (fairly nice) 1966 Venezuelans. The eBay buyer was very pleased with his purchase and we had an email conversation about OBC. Turned out he was a writer for vintage Buckett magazine and I got an article printed in the "Industry Expert" section.  So how did I join OBC? I originally discovered it from one of the chat rooms on AOL. Most of the time, the chats there focused on shiny stuff and the latest Mark McGwire cards. I pop ped in one night and it was different - people talking about VINTAGE cards?! I'm not sure if I got there before or after the actual meeting, but I chatted with a guy by the name of Dick Cummings (DCBBL), who invited me to check out the website. I didn't join until many months later though. The reason? I read in the FAQ section something about 20-30 emails A DAY. I mean, who had the time to read all those? It wasn't until I got laid off from work in June of '96 that I figured I'd have enough time to devote to all that email. Then, not only could I not get enough of it, I became one of the biggest culprits. I don't know how you guys put up with me 😂 Ken M - I probably wore out their delete keys LOL Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 3:37 PMTo: Andy Cook;Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. Sometimes our response to sadness doesn’t make sense. Mine, in this moment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got into OBC in the first place. That got me thinking.  I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of fun and intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions of CARDS, not just baseball. There wasn’t much other talk in that thread, but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site called OBC. That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. ..thanks Bob. I’m still pretty honored to be in this group. PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived less than a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent until after I moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:33:24 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Ken Morganti and I were bidding against each other on Ebay, back when you could get the e-mail address of other bidders. We e-mailed each other to see if we had some to swap from whatever set we were bidding on. The rest,as they say, is history. If I recall one of the first swaps I did with Ken netter me a 1956 Topps Mantle white back. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 7:37 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? Sad news about Ron. He was always a stand up guy. I remember him for letting us use his table at the National for a meeting point and letting us store our bags, heavy items and refreshments behind his table. My fondest memory of him was when he donated items to one of our charity auctions. I'm pretty sure it was the Rick Redpath auction, where we raised over $3k on eBaytowards a scholarship fund for Rick's two kids. I was the group's "auctioneer". Ron donated a few nice items for the cause, including one in particular - a small lot of maybe a dozen (fairly nice) 1966 Venezuelans. The eBay buyer was very pleased with his purchase and we had an email conversation about OBC. Turned out he was a writer for vintage Buckett magazine and I gotan article printed in the "Industry Expert" section. So how did I join OBC? I orig inally discovered it from one of the chat rooms on AOL. Most of the time, the chats there focused on shiny stuff and the latest Mark McGwire cards. I popped in one night and it was different - people talking about VINTAGE cards?! I'm not sure if I got there before or after the actual meeting, but I chatted with a guy by the name of Dick Cummings (DCBBL), who invited me to check out the website. I didn't join until many months later though. The reason? I read in the FAQ section something about 20-30 emails A DAY. I mean, who had the time to read all those? It wasn't until I got laid off from work in June of '96 that I figured I'd have enough time to devote to all that email. Then, not only could I not get enough of it, I became one of the biggest culprits. I don't know how you guys put up with me =82 Ken M - I probably wore out their delete keys LOL Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Nov 2, 201 7 3:37 PM To: Andy Cook; Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. Sometimes our response to sadness doesn=E2=99t make sense. Mine, in thismoment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got into OBC in the first place. That got me thinking. I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of funand intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions ofCARDS, not just baseball. There wasn=E2=99t much other talk in that thread, but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site calledOBC. That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. ...thanks Bob. I=E2=99m still pretty honored to be in this group. PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived lessthan a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent until afterI moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 21:45:20 -0400 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I still have a stamp collection. I have kept mainly just the sports First Day Covers and sports stamps from around the world. My baby sister who never expressed interest in stamps has recently become interested. She has been bringing some of the regular US and World stamps to the hospital and going over them with my mother. My mother is the one that fueled all my collecting interests, including coins, stamps and yes, baseball cards. My mother, not my father was the huge Detroit Tigers fan. I was on my own for the other sports. My mother has made me promise to make sure my sister got enough stamps after my mother passes. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Cc: Mike Diamanti Sent: Thu, Nov 2, 2017 1:07 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book That=E2=99s cool we have a few stamp collectors represented. I have collected British coins on and off since the summer of 1998. In the early 2000=E2=99s, a guy from my church got me started with a British stamp collection too. I still get it out and try to add to it once in a great while. Plus I know Mike Rich collects (or used to) sports-themed stamps. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 2, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Mike Diamanti islandcoffeeman@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Greetings Cardboard Enthusiasts: Am responding to Bob Donaldson's post about his mother's stamp collection. As Brian the Family Toad will confirm, I got interested in stamps a few years ago thanks to a cribbage buddy of mine who has been a life long collector, and somewhat of a national expert. Collecting and history have gone together for me my whole adult life. Stamps allowed kids to "see" different parts of the US and the world through little pieces of paper. I got interested because I could buy 19th century stamps from countries like Peru and Japan and places I've never heard of, for less than $5 on Evilbay. When I was on the Oregon coast earlier this year, I bought a stamp collection from the 1940s for less than $45. It's probably very similar to the collection Bob's mother put together. I'm still going through the countries, looking up things and learning. What I don't want or keep, I sell on Ebay for, yep, less than $5. If any of youhave stamps, stock certificates, maps, ephemera, old paper you want to getrid off, contact me privately. I'm still working on early Bowman baseballand football sets and keep an eye out for unusual cardboard, but my collecting interests have always roamed far and wide. One of the most famous, or infamous US stamps is the 1918 inverted "Jenny".Airmail service in the US started in 1918 and one sheet of a 100 stamps was printed incorrectly (upside down airplane image), and sold to a lucky buyer in Washington D.C. My wife and her writing partner have been working on a book about this stamp, its history, history of airmail service, and thestories about the collectors who have chased these Jennys through the years since 1918. Here's a link to their blog if interested: https://www.stampofthecentury.com/ 2018 will be the 100th anniversary of the stamps issuance, and when their book comes out. Oh, and my cribbage buddy stamp collector -- he has two of the Jenny's. I've seen them and they are amazing. Back to your regular cardboard collecting mania pursuits. Cheers, Mates! Mike Diamanti Coupeville, WA Virus-free. www.avast.com ================= To: , Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2017 18:47:48 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book From: "Grant Rainsley" =E2=9CMy=E2=9D Jenny has been inverted for quite some time, hence, she chose me as a mate=E2=A6=E2=A6.and at this stage in our lives, it is too late for her to start looking again. Blood Island has indeed taken its toll on her too, several years ago over there she fell and shattered her leg=E2=A6..she healed, but still sets off the metal detectors at the airport due to the screws in her leg. As for Mikey Diamandonettiondo or whatever name he is using this week, you forgot to mention food on his list of preferred substances=E2=A6. Over the years, I haven=E2=99t seen enough of the Pacific North West OBC=E2=99ers=E2=A6.but have enjoyed every moment when we have hooked up. Whichreminds me, Toad, you made a veiled threat to come and visit Powell River and maybe have a game of Bocce on Blood Island=E2=A6..but failed to show. (No health insurance, or what?). Time to put your money where your mouth is. It will go much farther up here, what with the present exchange rate=E2=A6.bring lots of it! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 2, 2017 5:55 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Mike Diamanti Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book It's true my dear friend Mike Diastampamanti has many interests. In fact he's a very interesting guy. Bottles and cards and stamps and oysters and coffee...love that guys passion for all the good things in life! The talk about how we joined OBC, and this post from Mike reminded me that he was the first OBCer I had ever met in person. Maybe summer 1998 or 1999at a Tacoma Dome baseball card show, and I met Spike and Big Al later thatday too! I had already been in OBC a couple years in Vermont where I wouldhave been closer to a dozen OBC guys but didn't meet any in person. Jerry Coker ended up moving within a dozen miles of my old hometown, but Ihad already moved west...and I still haven't met him :-( I think I will try to "collect" more OBC guys next year. I need to write down the current and former OBCers who I have met. My Pacific NW pals are amongst my dearest friends ever, even if we see each other only annually. OBC has that way of doing that to you!!! I wonder what Grant is thinking about the inverted Jenny. Maybe she slippedand fell on something shed from Blood Island. Help the dear girl up please, Constable ! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Mike Diamanti islandcoffeeman@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: November 2, 2017 at 9:54 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Stamps and a book Greetings Cardboard Enthusiasts: Am responding to Bob Donaldson's post about his mother's stamp collection. As Brian the Family Toad will confirm, I got interested in stamps a few years ago thanks to a cribbage buddy of mine who has been a life long collector, and somewhat of a national expert. Collecting and history have gone together for me my whole adult life. Stamps allowed kids to "see" different parts of the US and the world through little pieces of paper. I got interested because I could buy 19th century stamps from countries like Peru and Japan and places I've never heard of, for less than $5 on Evilbay. When I was on the Oregon coast earlier this year, I bought a stamp collection from the 1940s for less than $45. It's probably very similar to the collection Bob's mother put together. I'm still going through the countries, looking up things and learning. What I don't want or keep, I sell on Ebay for, yep, less than $5. If any of youhave stamps, stock certificates, maps, ephemera, old paper you want to getrid off, contact me privately. I'm still working on early Bowman baseballand football sets and keep an eye out for unusual cardboard, but my collecting interests have always roamed far and wide. One of the most famous, or infamous US stamps is the 1918 inverted "Jenny".Airmail service in the US started in 1918 and one sheet of a 100 stamps was printed incorrectly (upside down airplane image), and sold to a lucky buyer in Washington D.C. My wife and her writing partner have been working on a book about this stamp, its history, history of airmail service, and thestories about the collectors who have chased these Jennys through the years since 1918. Here's a link to their blog if interested: https://www.stampofthecentury.com/ 2018 will be the 100th anniversary of the stamps issuance, and when their book comes out. Oh, and my cribbage buddy stamp collector -- he has two of the Jenny's. I've seen them and they are amazing. Back to your regular cardboard collecting mania pursuits. Cheers, Mates! Mike Diamanti Coupeville, WA Virus-free. This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 05:25:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps From: Mac Wubben Trade it. Nobody cares about how your checklist looks. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:37 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps I posted little while ago I picked up a very key card in the Venezuelan runthis checklist. Asked you guys if I should trade it for another big name card or keep it had several different inputs but Mark Zentkovich said down grade it to get other cards. Thought at the time that sounded like a brilliant idea but never did anything about it. It's getting around in the Venezuelan collecting world I had it so got two offers recently first trade for cards but no checklist to replace mine so dismissed it. Second guy offered his checklist plus two Ruth cards that I need a lot lower grade pictures below my checklist is in pretty nice shape. Question would you guys make this trade or keep the checklist? Input would be very helpful. Rick Let me know! ================= Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 06:34:22 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps From: Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2017 06:34:22 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps From: Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 06:56:26 -0400 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps [4 Attachments] From: Joel Freedman grade it, sell it, buy more=85=85=85=85 On Nov 3, 2017, at 6:54 AM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from chris tripler included below] > Trade it. > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 3, 2017, at 6:34 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Rick, >> You're probably asking the wrong group of guys about condition sensitivity. Plus, YOU are one of the very few Venezuelan experts in the group. However, assuming those two Ruth cards are tough to find (since they are bothusually on people's green tint lists at the end, I'd imagine they are) - and also assuming that very nice checklist would stick out like a sore thumbin your set... I would've already made the trade :-) >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> http://kenmorganti.weebly.com >> ------ Original message------ >> From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Date: Fri, Nov 3, 2017 12:38 AM >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; >> Cc: >> Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps >> All >> I posted little while ago I picked up a very key card in the Venezuelan run this checklist. Asked you guys if I should trade it for another big name card or keep it had several different inputs but Mark Zentkovich said down grade it to get other cards. Thought at the time that sounded like a brilliant idea but never did anything about it. It's getting around in the Venezuelan collecting world I had it so got two offers recently first trade forcards but no checklist to replace mine so dismissed it. >> Second guy offered his checklist plus two Ruth cards that I need a lot lower grade pictures below my checklist is in pretty nice shape. >> Question would you guys make this trade or keep the checklist? >> Input would be very helpful. Rick >> >>>>>> Let me know! >>>>>> Thanks! >>>>>> Tyson >>> >>> . >> Posted by: Rick > >> VISIT YOUR GROUP ================= Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 11:21:11 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Glasgow OBC Meet Up From: Glenn Codere My wife and I had the great pleasure of spending an evening last night withJay Tysver and Liz Malcolm. Jay and Liz have been traversing Ireland and the UK and took a few hours out of their hectic schedule to join us in Glasgow. Food was consumed, whiskies were supped, stories were told, cardboard was swapped and friendships confirmed. Just another routine OBC meet up!! Safe journeys...... Until next time, Jay!! ================= To: "'Rick'" , Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 08:44:35 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps From: "Bob Donaldson" Grade it with PSA and consign it to REA From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 3, 2017 12:38 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Venezuelan Topps I posted little while ago I picked up a very key card in the Venezuelan run this checklist. Asked you guys if I should trade it for another big name card or keep it had several different inputs but Mark Zentkovich said down grade it to get other cards. Thought at the time that sounded like a brilliant idea but never did anything about it. It's getting around in the Venezuelan collecting world I had it so got two offers recently first trade for cards but no checklist to replace mine so dismissed it. Second guy offered his checklist plus two Ruth cards that I need a lot lower grade pictures below my checklist is in pretty nice shape. Question would you guys make this trade or keep the checklist? Input would be very helpful. Rick Let me know! ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2017 23:09:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] The last of Hocktober? From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 00:35:03 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Website synch issues - easy workaround if you need the website From: Wayne Delia We're having some strange problems with loading the home page of the OBC website. Basically, if you enter "oldbaseball.com" (with no quotes) in your browser, or if you click on a bookmark link for oldbaseball.com, it might show the HostGator Getting Started page, instead of the familiar OBC home page. I'm thinking this has something to do with HostGator becoming the registrar for the oldbaseball.com domain name (that's a good thing) taking over from Network Solutions today. and there's what's called a DNS (Domain Name Server) quirky issue. To get around this (temporarily), you can load the web address " oldbaseball.com/index.html" and that should work. I'm cleaning up a few issues and will return the page to its normal function as soon as I can. ================= To: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 05:53:03 -0500 Subject: 1963-Stancraft Playing cards From: "Ken & Linda" I recently received a grouping of 63' Stancraft playing cards[Football]............GREEN I have some extras............Besides Mark Talbot[yours, are in the mail]...........who else might have needs........all green backs.......... Send me your lists and I will do my best to share with the group. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 11:06:00 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunity for all OBC From: Wayne Delia I've finished with the work I was doing last night on the OBC web site, and of course as things usually turn out, I'll be away from the computer from about 3PM to after midnight - heading down to Hofstra University to meet up with my daughter, and we will see the play Hair. As Morganti already mentioned to me, it's a shame they won't be giving out free samples. Ha ha, what a sense of humor on that boy. There may be a few things that seem unusual with individual functions and also with the bookmarks you might have saved to get to the web site - at least temporarily, "oldbaseball.com" no longer works, but " www.oldbaseball.com" does work (thanks, Josh Levine, for discovering that workaround!). I'll need to talk to a domain names specialist at HostGator to map "oldbaseball.com" onto "www.oldbaseball.com" and that should take care of it, but I don't want to start something today I won't be able to finish before I have to leave for Long Island. So here's the big opportunity for all OBC members. I want you to start thinking about whether you'd like to have (what appears to be) your own personal website. The website will be named ". oldbaseball.com" and it's known as a subdomain of our main website www.oldbaseball.com. You can have unlimited space there, and it's completely free of charge as long as we have the web hosting package with HostGator. I've set up one as a proof of concept for myself (try loading redsox3.oldbaseball.com) and it seems to work fine. Again, just think about it for now - there will be a few issues the OBCAC will have to iron out, like whether this should just be for cards-related stuff or whether it can it be used for general everyday use, probably not a commercial enterprise or political blog or whatever, and should this be restricted only to active members or can anyone affiliated with OBC use it. After we get the policies in place, we'll write up a procedure for you to request and add content to your own private subdomain. Sal Domino has reserved the subdomain name "metssoxx.oldbaseball.com" and I'm scrambling to acquire "morganti.oldbaseball.com" and " kenm.oldbaseball.com" so that I can try to sell them to Ken for like five bucks each, ha ha. We can also have unlimited email addresses, so if you'd like a personalized email address that you can use to separate out your card collecting correspondence from the rest of your inbox, you can pick something like " morganti@oldbaseball.com" and we'll get you set up as soon as we figure out how to use the control panel for our new hosting service. Last note - While I was fooling around with the domain name servers last night, I noticed that they listed the annual charges for the different top-level domain names (like .com, .net, .edu, .gov, etc.) and one of the newest publicly-available top-level domain names is ".guru" - we could change our web site name to www.oldbaseball.guru in honor of Larry Tipton if we wanted to. I'll be out of pocket for most of the rest of the day but please drop me an email to let me know if you notice any unusual problems with the website. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 08:54:21 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: NW show From: Rick Today and tomorrow is the semiannual show basically the only one in Washington. Dave has a family commitment,Brian can't come up and Grant originally was talking about coming down but not sure when that fell thru so I can't get motivated to go to the show. No show no Thai food no losing money at the casino or in Brian's case winning money so he can buy more cards on Sunday. No swapping stories at Dave and Jan's place no popcorn no nothing very depressing weekend here in the northwest and the weather has turned to rain. I guess I'll stay home and root for the huskies today and Seahawks tomorrow. There's always six months fromnow so yes hanging out with friends is better than cardboard. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 15:33:29 -0400 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: Andy Huntoon Hello OBC, We'll I'm not an old timer so I don't go back to the 90's like some of these guys. I still feel like a new guy and It's been basically 5 years now that I'm been a member. I first found OBC while looking for old baseball cards online about 15 years ago. I looked all over the site and thought it was a great group, but I was intimidated by the wantlists that guys had compared to what I had at the time. I didn't know anyone to reach out to for my first trades with the group either. So I let it go for years. Then Jason Christopherson offered to help kill my 1969 Topps Deckle set for free and told me about OBC. I remember it from years ago and decided to try to join with Jason's help. He was a big help and got me connected with some guys to make some trades with and then I applied and the rest is history. I've been a proud member ever since. I can't imagine my hobby without you guys. it wouldn't be as fun or important to me. So thank you OBC. Andy Huntoon On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich > Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. > Sometimes our response to sadness doesn=E2=99t make sense. Mine, in this > moment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got > into OBC in the first place. That got me thinking. > I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of > fun and intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was > this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions > of CARDS, not just baseball. There wasn=E2=99t much other talk in thatthread, > but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took > a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site called OBC. > That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. > ...thanks Bob. I=E2=99m still pretty honored to be in this group. > PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had > found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived > less than a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent until > after I moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 16:37:38 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big From: Ken M Wayne,  I tried looking at the test website you put in your email (redsox3.oldbaseball.com) and got an error message: 403 Forbidden. Anyone else get that or is Wayne shutting me out of his site because of that crack I made on Facebook? 😂    In a related note, I'm going to look through my dupes box to find something to trade Wayne in lieu of cash for my oldbaseball web space. I might have to toss in extras for editing privileges and an email address, but we'll see. Thanks Wayne for your efforts and for keeping everyone (but me) in the loop, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Sat, Nov 4, 2017 11:06 AMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunity for all OBC members here I've finished with the work I was doing last night on the OBC web site, and of course as things usually turn out, I'll be away from the computer from about 3PM to after midnight - heading down to Hofstra University to meet up with my daughter, and we will see the play Hair. As Morganti already mentioned to me, it's a shame they won't be giving out free samples. Ha ha, what a sense of humor on that boy.  There may be a few things that seem unusual with individual functions and also with the bookmarks you might have saved to get to the web site - at least temporarily, "oldbaseball.com" no longer works, but "www.oldbaseball.com" does work (thanks, Josh Levine, for discovering that workaround!). I'll need to talk to a domain names specialist at HostGator to map "oldbaseball.com" onto "www.oldbaseball.com" and that should take care of it, but I don't want to start something today I won't be able to finish before I have to leave for Long Island.  So here's the big opportunity for all OBC members. I want you to start thinking about whether you'd like to have (what appears to be) your own personal website. The website will be named ".oldbaseball.com" and it's known as a subdomain of our main website www.oldbaseball.com. You can have unlimited space there, and it's completely free of charge as long as we have the web hosting package with HostGator. I've set up one as a proof of concept for myself (try loading redsox3.oldbaseball.com) and it seems to work fine.  Again, just think about it for now - there will be a few issues the OBCAC will have to iron out, like whether this should just be for cards-related stuff or whether it can it be used for general everyday use, probably not a commercial enterprise or political blog or whatever, and should this be restricted only to active members or can anyone affiliated with OBC use it. After we get the policies in place, we'll write up a procedure for you to request and add content to your own private subdomain.  Sal Domino has reserved the subdomain name "metssoxx.oldbaseball.com" and I'm scrambling to acquire "morganti.oldbaseball.com" and "kenm.oldbaseball.com" so that I can try to sell them to Ken for like five bucks each, ha ha.  We can also have unlimited email addresses, so if you'd like a personalized email address that you can use to separate out your card collecting correspondence from the rest of your inbox, you can pick something like "morganti@oldbaseball.com" and we'll get you set up as soon as we figure out how to use the control panel for our new hosting service.  Last note - While I was fooling around with the domain name servers last night, I noticed that they listed the annual charges for the different top-level domain names (like .com, .net, .edu, .gov, etc.) and one of the newest publicly-available top-level domain names is ".guru" - we could change our web site name to www.oldbaseball.guru in honor of Larry Tipton if we wanted to.  I'll be out of pocket for most of the rest of the day but please drop me an email to let me know if you notice any unusual problems with the website. Virus-free. www.avast.com Posted by: Wayne Delia > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 17:56:59 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunity for all OBC members here From: "Matt Yudt" The link in the email took me to Waynes wantlist =E2=93 worked just finefor From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 4:38 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunity for all OBC members here I tried looking at the test website you put in your email (redsox3.oldbaseball.com ) and got an error message: 403 Forbidden. Anyone else get that or is Wayne shutting me out of his site because of that crack I made on Facebook? =82 In a related note, I'm going to look through my dupes box to find something to trade Wayne in lieu of cash for my oldbaseball web space. I might have to toss in extras for editing privileges and an email address, but we'llsee. Thanks Wayne for your efforts and for keeping everyone (but me) in the Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com Date: Sat, Nov 4, 2017 11:06 AM To: OBC Ramblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunityfor all OBC members here I've finished with the work I was doing last night on the OBC web site, andof course as things usually turn out, I'll be away from the computer fr omabout 3PM to after midnight - heading down to Hofstra University to meet up with my daughter, and we will see the play Hair. As Morganti already mentioned to me, it's a shame they won't be giving out free samples. Ha ha, what a sense of humor on that boy. There may be a few things that seem unusual with individual functions and also with the bookmarks you might have saved to get to the web site - at least temporarily, "oldbaseball.com " no longer works, but "www.oldbaseball.com " does work (thanks, Josh Levine, for discovering that workaround!). I'll need to talk to a domain names specialist at HostGator to map "oldbaseball.com " onto "www.oldbaseball.com " and that should take care of it, but I don't want to start something today I won'tbe able to finish before I have to leave for Long Island. So here's the big opportunity for all OBC members. I want you to start thinking about whether you'd like to have (what appears to be) your own personal website. The website will be named ".oldbaseball.com " and it's known as a subdomain of our main website www.oldbaseball.com . You can have unlimited space there, and it's completely free of charge as long as we have the web hosting package with HostGator. I've set up one as a proof of concept formyself (try loading redsox3.oldbaseball.com ) and it seems to work fine. Again, just think about it for now - there will be a few issues the OBCAC will have to iron out, like whether this should just be for cards-related stuff or whether it can it be used for general eve ryday use, probably not a commercial enterprise or political blog or whatever, and should this be restricted only to active members or can anyone affiliated with OBC use it. After we get the policies in place, we'll write up a procedure for you to request and add content to your own private subdomain. Sal Domino has reserved the subdomain name "metssoxx.oldbaseball.com " and I'm scrambling to acquire "morganti.oldbaseball.com " and "kenm.oldbaseball.com " so that I can try to sell them to Ken for like five bucks each, ha ha. We can also have unlimited email addresses, so if you'd like a personalizedemail address that you can use to separate out your card collecting correspondence from the rest of your inbox, you can pick something like "morganti@oldbaseball.com " and we'll get you set up as soon as we figure out how to use the control panel for our new hosting Last note - While I was fooling around with the domain name servers last night, I noticed that they listed the annual charges for the different top-level domain names (like .com, .net, .edu, .gov, etc.) and one of the newest publicly-available top-level domain names is ".guru" - we could change our web site name to www.oldbaseball.gu ru in honorof Larry Tipton if we wanted to. I'll be out of pocket for most of the rest of the day but please drop me anemail to let me know if you notice any unusual problems with the website. Virus-free. Posted by: Wayne Delia > Visit Your Group ================= To: Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 18:48:04 -0400 Subject: Wilmington Show Report From: "Bob Donaldson" Yesterday and today I went to the annual GBSCC Shriner's show. I've been going for 25+ years and it's one of the highlights of the year for my card collecting hobby. Random observations/pickups from the years show. Nice to see Spike, Sean McGowan and Joel Freedmon. Thanks to Sean for a 64 Hobbs and Joel for a trio of 63s including Whitey Ford on a WS card. Said hi to Luis Tiant on my way to the men's room Not much on low grade pre-war, almost no E120/E121s, the few I saw were 2 or 3x what I might pay on ebay. Did pick up a Lajoie game card for $5 A lot of nice $2/$1 and 25 cent boxes. Made big hits to my 57, 58 and 59 sets. A lot of 57 mid series in vg/ex for $2 per. Joel and I split two 1951 Topps team cards, $10 for the pair. All in all a fun day. Perhaps I need to go to the National for my pre-war ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" , Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 16:08:35 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report From: "Grant Rainsley" One thing Bob failed to mention....he also shopped for me, looking to put a dent in my '57 list....which he did, quite handily. Bob snagged me a '57 Bobby Richardson RC, and that set will be officially put to bed if and when Canada Post chooses to deliver..and it only took seven years start to finish.so my heartiest THANKS to Bob for his work, and all of OBC who helped me along the way, there were a LOT of you! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 4, 2017 3:48 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report Yesterday and today I went to the annual GBSCC Shriner's show. I've been going for 25+ years and it's one of the highlights of the year for my card collecting hobby. Random observations/pickups from the years show. Nice to see Spike, Sean McGowan and Joel Freedmon. Thanks to Sean for a 64 Hobbs and Joel for a trio of 63s including Whitey Ford on a WS card. Said hi to Luis Tiant on my way to the men's room Not much on low grade pre-war, almost no E120/E121s, the few I saw were 2 or 3x what I might pay on ebay. Did pick up a Lajoie game card for $5 A lot of nice $2/$1 and 25 cent boxes. Made big hits to my 57, 58 and 59 sets. A lot of 57 mid series in vg/ex for $2 per. Joel and I split two 1951 Topps team cards, $10 for the pair. All in all a fun day. Perhaps I need to go to the National for my pre-war This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 19:17:29 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Handshake thanks to..... From: Joel Freedman Bob Donaldson and Matthew Glidden for four Goudey=92s, 3, 33=92s and a 35. We met at the annual shriner=92s show in Wilmington MA today. Enjoyed lunch and watched the lines for the autograph seekers. I also met Sean McGowan for the first time and we got to hear the feats of his soccer team. Good luck tonight Sean, nice to meet you! Thanks guys, nice to see you! ================= Date: Sat, 04 Nov 2017 20:42:22 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big From: Ken M Thanks for the replies everyone. I cleared cache and cookies on my phone and Wayne's list came up. Now to pay off my web space ransom... Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Matt Yudt Date: Sat, Nov 4, 2017 5:57 PMTo: 'Ken M';obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunity for all OBC members here The link in the email took me to Waynes wantlist – worked just fine for me From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 4, 2017 4:38 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mostly finished with web site work, big opportunity for all OBC members here   Wayne,  I tried looking at the test website you put in your email ( ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 18:56:04 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Rich Niessen From: Rick First reported Lynn was going to meet that night with rich's wife and get back to someone. I haven't seen a follow up email about if we could do something or if she needed anything. Does anybody know anything new? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 22:09:38 -0400 To: obc-ramblings Subject: A fun ramble...I hope From: Andy Huntoon Hello OBC, I'm on some medication at the moment that has me a bit tired and dare I say loopy so I figured I would post a fun Ramblings stream of consciousness that might end up being fun to read. Please excuse any misspellings or run on sentences. I've been in OBC for five years now and still feel like a new guy. Crazy huh? that's because there are so many guys that have been in OBC for so much longer. I respect ya'll. but in my five years I've really grown to love OBC. I've made some great friendships and connections to several guys over the years. I've met several guys in person at shows including the National in AC. I'm really hoping to make it to Cleveland by the way. it was just so damn awesome I want to do it angain.. OBC is more thatn just a group of old farts that trade baseball cards. althgouh there are several old farts who trade baseball cards in the group. Ha! wE have younger guys too now. and we trade baseball cards, football, basketball, hockey, tennis, boxing, athletics, etc. but do we really trade? not particularly. we give away cards just because someone needs them. That's so friggin awesome. people don't get that idea. but that's what I love most about OBC. You need it, I got it, you got it. don't worry about sending me anything back bro. seriously. Oh, I sent you a Mantle. Good for you. You needed it right? guess what? you're my buddy so you get it. And it's not just baseball cards that we talk about with each other. I've spoken to members about regular life that had nothing to do with cards. life. family. work. all sorts of things. The group sometimes goes through rough times too. but we come through as a family and stay strong. we can talk about controversy and still respect each other. Enough to stay in the group and remember we are more than the controversy. We are family and we push past this stuff with respect and Am I rambling yet? I'm just writing some thoughts. I hope you all had a little laugh at my expense, but I also hope I said something that made some sense. basically, I love this group and will always be there for you Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! ================= Date: Sat, 4 Nov 2017 22:45:46 -0400 To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: Mike Glasser I found OBC in 2 separate ways. I used to sell lots of dupes on ebay to (among others) Patrick Prickett. He bought lots of non-sport tobacco cards from me over the years. I can't remember what I sent him but one time I sweetened his pot and sent him some free cards for the heck of it. He then sent a letter to OBC saying that I'd be a good member. That was maybe 4-5 years ago? Then, I sold a pile of 70's Topps football to Steve Rittenberg who didn't want to pay for shipping so he sent Ed Schott to pick them up at my office. Ed and I got to talking and OBC came up. I remembered the Patrick letter so I told Ed that I was interested. It was at that point that I went to the site and sent out a bunch of dupes to people and lobbied for their support. There you are. Since then I've met a number of the local OBCers as well and have had the opportunity to handshake on occasion. I'm super happy to be a part of this group. If Andy still feels like the new guy after 5 years then I definitely am still a new guy coming up on my 2nd year. Thanks to all! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Aaron Shirley Cc: Andy Cook ; obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Nov 4, 2017 3:33 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? Hello OBC, We'll I'm not an old timer so I don't go back to the 90's like some of these guys. I still feel like a new guy and It's been basically 5 years now that I'm been a member. I first found OBC while looking for old baseball cards online about 15 years ago. I looked all over the site and thought it was a great group, but I was intimidated by the wantlists that guys had compared to what I had at the time. I didn't know anyone to reach out to for myfirst trades with the group either. So I let it go for years. Then JasonChristopherson offered to help kill my 1969 Topps Deckle set for free and told me about OBC. I remember it from years ago and decided to try to joinwith Jason's help. He was a big help and got me connected with some guys to make some trades with and then I applied and the rest is history. I've been a proud member ever since. I can't imagine my hobby without you guys.it wouldn't be as fun or important to me. So thank you OBC. Andy Huntoon On Thu, Nov 2, 2017 at 3:37 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. Sometimes our response to sadness doesn=E2=99t make sense. Mine, in thismoment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got into OBC in the first place. That got me thinking. I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of funand intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions of CARDS, not just baseball. There wasn=E2=99t much other talk in that thread, but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site called OBC. That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. ...thanks Bob. I=E2=99m still pretty honored to be in this group. PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived lessthan a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent until afterI moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 06:11:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: How Did You Hear About OBC? From: Larry Tipton I=E2=99m one of the =E2=9COriginals=E2=9D from 1991 via the Prodigy Message boards subject area =E2=9COld Baseball Cards=E2=9D. OG =E2=9COriginal Guru=E2=9D 26 years Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 12:48:41 +0000 (UTC) To: Yahoogroups Subject: Re: How did you hear about OBC? From: Ron Perry Hi OBC, My first contact in OBC was Wayne Delia vie an e-mail. I think at that time I was the only member not on AOL. I had a dial-up account/e-mail through a local community college. At that time there was no OBC website, or even graphics browsers. As Geno pointed out we sent want lists to each other via e-mail. A few days later a package shows up from Larry Tipton. I began hitting card shows and buying vg and lower grade in bulk. ================= Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 13:58:37 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: Ebay question From: JDahms ================= Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:17:09 +0000 To: JDahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question From: Matthew Glidden Hi JD, sounds like a classic scam that's trying to get money from you using emails that look like came from eBay. You can always check your official eBay purchase & account histories at eBay.com and ignore anything that doesn't appear there. On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey guys. I just got an email from a ebay seller saying I agreed to > purchase a couple of cell phones. Which I didn't. Never had this happen > before. Not sure what I should do. > Any advice is appreciated > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: JDahms Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 19:17:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 19:27:44 +0000 To: Ron Perry Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: How did you hear about OBC? From: Matthew Glidden Hard to remember exactly when I heard about OBC. It's been that long! Would've been late 1998, when I was clearing out a bunch of possessions and preparing to spend 6 months in Massachusetts. Was on the verge of selling every card I owned for a pittance, just to feel better about the state of my closet. Perhaps I came across oldbaseball.com while looking for places to cut my cards loose? In the end, thanks to a bunch of guys who wanted karma instead of cash, I re-found the joy of cardboard and have been into it ever since! On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 7:48 AM Ron Perry obcron@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi OBC, > My first contact in OBC was Wayne Delia vie an e-mail. I think at that > time I was the only member not on AOL. I had a dial-up account/e-mail > through a local community college. > At that time there was no OBC website, or even graphics browsers. As Geno > pointed out we sent want lists to each other via e-mail. A few days later > a package shows up from Larry Tipton. I began hitting card shows and > buying vg and lower grade in bulk. > Ron ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 12:28:49 -0800 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question From: Geordie Calvert Do not reply. Just a phishing scam - report it to Ebay: https://pages.ebay.com/help/account/questions/report-spoof-email.html > On Nov 5, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi JD, sounds like a classic scam that's trying to get money from you using emails that look like came from eBay. You can always check your officialeBay purchase & account histories at eBay.com and ignore anything that doesn't appear there. > Spike >> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Hey guys. I just got an email from a ebay seller saying I agreed to purchase a couple of cell phones. Which I didn't. Never had this happen before. Not sure what I should do. >> Any advice is appreciated >> JD >> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 15:30:42 -0500 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rich Niessen From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I spoke to Lynn and Debbie immediately sold his entire collection to a dealer for next to nothing, even though Lynn had told her he would help liquidate it for her. Between Rich's military benefits, etc., I do not believe anything is needed from OBC. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Nov 4, 2017 9:56 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rich Niessen First reported Lynn was going to meet that night with rich's wife and get back to someone. I haven't seen a follow up email about if we could do something or if she needed anything. Does anybody know anything new? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 15:49:09 -0500 To: Geordie Calvert , Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question From: JDahms ================= To: Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 18:58:48 -0500 Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange From: "Bob Donaldson" I've sent out everyone's assignments. If you have an issue or would like to join in (it's not too late) LMK ================= Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2017 03:07:39 +0000 To: obc ramblings , obc thanks Subject: Wilmington Show Report & Thanks From: Matthew Glidden Spent a quick 3 hours at Wilmington on Saturday, just enough time to snag some good deals and catch up with three OBCers: Bob Donaldson, Joel Freedman, and Sean McGowan. As soon as I was inside, Bob steered me to a vintage table with stacks of vintage stars for $1-2. Spent $20 there on hits and upgrades. Bob passed me a 3-hitter handshake, including a 35 Goudey! Joel Freedman found me at the same table (like OBCers often do) and he handed over another 3-hitter, including another 35 Goudey! Sure enough, Sean McGowan *also* found us at the same table. He looked for 50s Bowmans and I looked for 60s Fleer and neither of us left empty-handed. Had just enough time for two more table stops. First I found a fistful of 50 cent 1956 Topps and a $1 1962 high number at a dealer new to me and then an unexpected non-sport bounty (1930s Boy Scouts & "Going To Be" for $4 each) at Kevin Savage's table. Had to scoot after the traditional OBC lunch -- I'm sure I missed some deals and hope everyone else nabbed them. Great to see you all and will be back again next time! ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 22:31:15 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks From: "Sal Domino" Why do I get the feeling I need to make this trip some time? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:08 PM To: obc ramblings; obc thanks Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks Spent a quick 3 hours at Wilmington on Saturday, just enough time to snag some good deals and catch up with three OBCers: Bob Donaldson, Joel Freedman, and Sean McGowan. As soon as I was inside, Bob steered me to a vintage table with stacks of vintage stars for $1-2. Spent $20 there on hits and upgrades. Bob passed me a 3-hitter handshake, including a 35 Goudey! Joel Freedman found me at the same table (like OBCers often do) and he handed over another 3-hitter, including another 35 Goudey! Sure enough, Sean McGowan also found us at the same table. He looked for 50s Bowmans and I looked for 60s Fleer and neither of us left empty-handed. Had just enough time for two more table stops. First I found a fistful of 50 cent 1956 Topps and a $1 1962 high number at a dealer new to me and then an unexpected non-sport bounty (1930s Boy Scouts & "Going To Be" for $4 each) at K evin Savage's table. Had to scoot after the traditional OBC lunch -- I'm sure I missed some deals and hope everyone else nabbed them. Great to see you all and will be backagain next time! ================= Date: Sun, 05 Nov 2017 22:52:19 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks From: Ken M Sal,  The November show in Wilmington is comparable to the Philly show - Lots of vintage and (now) roughly the same size. There are more than a few National dealers set up there. I wish I could've taken some time off from work/kids to attend this year. Guess I'll have to start saving for the National now. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Nov 5, 2017 10:31 PMTo: 'obc ramblings';Cc: Subject:RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks Why do I get the feeling I need to make this trip some time? Sal DominoOBC - 1992https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:08 PM To: obc ramblings; obc thanks Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks ================= Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2017 22:11:40 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wssca show From: Rick I went today with no real enthusiasm to find cards just thought I better not let one go by. It was snowing on the way down pulled in the parking lot to see three cards in there at 10:00. Slowly looked around with buying 12-1947 tip top bread cards, 1-53 Glendale meat card and most of the cranes discfootball set. Got a few insignificant hits plus a 400 count box of football 66-72 for the dupes box and a 52 topps high number at a decent price thatI'll put up on the dealer scum. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 07:37:39 -0500 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, dodgergeo@comcast.net, glidden.matthew@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question From: Mike Glasser I had that happen to me a few years ago. I found out when I got the notification that it was time to ship the iphones that I supposedly had sold. Istill have no idea how anyone profited from this but I did change my user name and password. Ebay covered all of it. It was a good lesson to changeyour passwords every so often and never answer phishing emails. Be safe! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Geordie Calvert ; Matthew Glidden Cc: Obc Ranblings Sent: Sun, Nov 5, 2017 3:49 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question Hey all. I talked to an ebay agent aND my account was hacked. Password changed and extra security from ebay. Hoping this takes care of it Thanks for all responses Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: Geordie Calvert Date: 11/5/17 3:28 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Matthew Glidden Cc: JDahms , Obc Ranblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay question Do not reply. Just a phishing scam - report it to Ebay: https://pages.ebay.com/help/account/questions/report-spoof-email.html On Nov 5, 2017, at 11:17 AM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hi JD, sounds like a classic scam that's trying to get money from you usingemails that look like came from eBay. You can always check your official eBay purchase & account histories at eBay.com and ignore anything that doesn't appear there. On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 1:58 PM JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hey guys. I just got an email from a ebay seller saying I agreed to purchase a couple of cell phones. Which I didn't. Never had this happen before. Not sure what I should do. Any advice is appreciated Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 08:40:19 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: some random type cards and exhibits available. From: biggies@aol.com Hello group, I hope all are well. Here are a few type cards for any who need them: 2 Wide pens, a Lew Riggs and a Sam Byrd '77 MSA Wiffle John Montefusco '78 MSA disc, Papa Ginos Jim Palmer Big T Greg Luzinski Isaly's Frank Robinson '76 ISCA Hot Stove, Ed Rousch '61 Topps Stamp Johnny Temple '62 Topps stamp Bill Monbouquette all of the above are exmt cards '47-'66 Exshibits: Berra - Made in USA Forde - Pitching McDougald - Made in USA Lemme know if you need any. Thanks, Bob Bannon ================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 09:42:45 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks From: Joel Freedman come on up!! On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 10:31 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Why do I get the feeling I need to make this trip some time? > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Sunday, November 05, 2017 10:08 PM > *To:* obc ramblings; obc thanks > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington Show Report & Thanks > Spent a quick 3 hours at Wilmington on Saturday, just enough time to snag > some good deals and catch up with three OBCers: Bob Donaldson, Joel > Freedman, and Sean McGowan. > As soon as I was inside, Bob steered me to a vintage table with stacks of > vintage stars for $1-2. Spent $20 there on hits and upgrades. Bob passed me > a 3-hitter handshake, including a 35 Goudey! > Joel Freedman found me at the same table (like OBCers often do) and he > handed over another 3-hitter, including another 35 Goudey! Sure enough, > Sean McGowan *also* found us at the same table. He looked for 50s Bowmans > and I looked for 60s Fleer and neither of us left empty-handed. > Had just enough time for two more table stops. First I found a fistful of > 50 cent 1956 Topps and a $1 1962 high number at a dealer new to me and then > an unexpected non-sport bounty (1930s Boy Scouts & "Going To Be" for $4 > each) at K evin Savage's table. > Had to scoot after the traditional OBC lunch -- I'm sure I missed some > deals and hope everyone else nabbed them. Great to see you all and will be > back again next time! > Spike ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 20:27:21 -0500 Subject: dammit I keep fer-gittn From: ED SCHOTT who are our sked collectors again? ================= Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 21:16:32 -0500 To: easchott@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn From: mikesportsfan@aol.com There are a number of sked collectors: Wayne Delia John Stamper Mark Talbot and myself are among them. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 8:27 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn who are our sked collectors again? ================= To: Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2017 21:22:01 -0600 Subject: Re: A fun ramble...I hope From: "George Vrechek" A great OBC ramble. George Vrechek ================= To: , Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:14:27 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn From: "Bob Donaldson" Might be a good thing to add to =E2=9CWho Collects What=E2=9D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:17 PM To: easchott@comcast.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn There are a number of sked collectors: Wayne Delia John Stamper Mark Talbot and myself are among them. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 8:27 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn who are our sked collectors again? ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 09:21:04 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn From: Jimi Thayer I have collected Indians skeds for years, and there is a link on my site for the specific ones I need. Andy Blackwood of OCT/VCT has supplied me withalmost all of them over the years. Jimi Thayer Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 7, 2017, at 9:14 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Might be a good thing to add to =E2=9CWho Collects What=E2=9D > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, November 6, 2017 9:17 PM > To: easchott@comcast.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn > There are a number of sked collectors: > Wayne Delia > John Stamper > Mark Talbot > and myself are among them. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Mon, Nov 6, 2017 8:27 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] dammit I keep fer-gittn > who are our sked > collectors again? ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 07:01:58 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Ebay scams From: Ed pike Someone stole my identity to sell a fake fashion purse on eBay. First I learned was when the return showed up on my doorstep a couple of months ago, Still not sure whether they actually got into my eBay account or just used my name and address to pretend that they were me. eBay told me that they would take care of it and to keep the item, haven't tossed it yet just in caseI haven't heard the last of this scam. Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC-WantList , Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 12:38:44 -0600 Subject: 75 topps gremlins From: mark zentkovich After verifying my 2nd set, and after aaron=E2=99s help with gremlin short list, I need these two if anyone can help in any condition 361 Dodgers team card 529 Gary Thomasson Giants Thanks for looking Mark Zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 13:55:17 -0500 To: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 75 topps gremlins From: David Luciano Hey Mark, I have both for you along with some others. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/dluciano.htm On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:38 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: > After verifying my 2nd set, and after aaron=92s help with gremlin short list, I need these two if anyone can help in any condition > 361 Dodgers team card > 529 Gary Thomasson Giants > Thanks for looking > Mark Zentkovich > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= To: David Luciano Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 13:26:13 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] 75 topps gremlins From: mark zentkovich Great, thank you Dave! Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: David Luciano daveluciano@me.com [OBC-Wantlist] Sent: Tuesday, November 7, 2017 12:55 PM To: mark zentkovich Cc: OBC-WantList; yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 75 topps gremlins Hey Mark, I have both for you along with some others. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/dluciano.htm On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:38 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: After verifying my 2ndset, and after aaron=E2=99s help with gremlin short list, I need these two if anyone can help in any condition 361 Dodgers team card 529 Gary Thomasson Giants Thanks for looking Mark Zentkovich Sent fromMailfor Windows 10 ================= To: , Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 14:02:45 -0600 Subject: Winter address - the same plan From: "George Vrechek" As in the past we will be in California, starting in LA and then heading to San Francisco, from November 17 through sometime in February. I try to stay involved with RAOKs by taking along a dup box. If you have something to send me, please continue to send it to our Chicago address. A friend will open our mail and let me know what shows up. He is not a card collector, so it would help if you let me know by email what you send so that I can accurately scratch it off my list, sight unseen. He will hang onto the cards for me in Chicago. If it is too difficult or lengthy to give me the card info, I'll figure it out with my friend. I hope to find some cards during our travels as well. Although somehow I have managed to miss the Chicago show 11/17 to 11/19 and Mark Macrae's St Leander show on 11/25. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 15:09:46 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: New York City Shows From: Bob Donaldson I try to get to NYC a few times a year to visit my step-son and his wife. Was wondering if there are any NYC shows. Might be nice to hit one during my travels. I usually stay Midtown and visit my step-son in Astoria. The East Coast National (Long Island?) might be a bit out of the way. Hoping for something in Manhattan. ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 15:25:24 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New York City Shows From: Joel Freedman https://www.nyshows.org/ On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I try to get to NYC a few times a year to visit my step-son and his wife. > Was wondering if there are any NYC shows. Might be nice to hit one during > my travels. I usually stay Midtown and visit my step-son in Astoria. The > East Coast National (Long Island?) might be a bit out of the way. Hoping > for something in Manhattan. > Thanks > Bob ================= To: Bob Donaldson Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:52:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New York City Shows From: Shawn Smart ================= To: Andy Huntoon Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 22:58:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2017 18:13:46 -0500 To: Ed pike Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Ebay scams From: Andy Huntoon Is it a nice purse? Just sayin' On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 10:01 AM, Ed pike ehpiii@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Someone stole my identity to sell a fake fashion purse on eBay. First I > learned was when the return showed up on my doorstep a couple of months > ago, Still not sure whether they actually got into my eBay account or just > used my name and address to pretend that they were me. eBay told me that > they would take care of it and to keep the item, haven't tossed it yet just > in case I haven't heard the last of this scam. > Best > Ed > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2017 19:05:32 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings , OBC thanks Subject: A thanks and a small ramble From: JDahms ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:11:59 +0000 Subject: Nineteenth century cards? From: Aaron Shirley Would love to hear some discussion about nineteenth century cards - especially but not only baseball. - Do you have any? - Who in OBC actively collects them? - How did you come across the one(s) you chose to buy? - What's the best deal you've found? - What sets are most widely available, most liked, most challenging, most counterfeited, ================= Date: 08 Nov 2017 17:11:36 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Nineteenth century cards? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 12:18:53 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: biggies@aol.com I have 2, well almost. I have an Old Judge card in my Type set that someonesent me years ago and I just purchased an N300 Jimmy Bannon that should arrive in a few days. Its the only Bannon card (non-UV) ever printed so I have always wanted it. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 11:16 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? Would love to hear some discussion about nineteenth century cards - especially but not only baseball. - Do you have any? - Who in OBC actively collects them? - How did you come across the one(s) you chose to buy? - What's the best deal you've found? - What sets are most widely available, most liked, most challenging, most counterfeited, ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 12:21:29 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: Anson Whaley Hey Aaron - I love them and have several. I've got a growing collection of about 75 trade cards and several others, including Old Judge, Allen & Ginter, Buchner, Lawson Game, Duke's, etc., in my type collection. Recently started building an N88 Duke Terrors of America set, which has about ten baseball (generic) cards in it. A while back I was a few cards short of the N28 and N29 Ginter sets. I consider the N28 baseball cards to be the best-looking 19th Century cards. Honestly, they're probably my favorites across any era, even things like T205 and T206. Many prefer the N162 Goodwin cards to them but I personally don't. Simplistic and outstanding. I buy most of mine on eBay. The best deal I ever found? Probably a trimmed N28 Comiskey for $90. I had it graded and sold it for more than double that. I can give more advice on sets off of the group so as not to bore everyone else. But N28 or N29 Allen & Ginter are probably what I'd recommend. Both are challenging but no card is that impossible to find. You should be aware that both are multi-sport - N28 has ten baseball cards (out of 50) and N29 has six (also out of 50). If you have deeper pockets, there's also the N162 Goodwin. More difficult and more expensive. If you're not into all of the other sports, you can always just focus on the baseball cards. A lot of people do that. Aside from trade cards, there aren't really purely baseball sets that are very doable. Things like Buchner and Old Judge are baseball but not realistic to complete. You can get more info on the N-Card database on my site with pictures, set reviews, etc., which might give you more ideas. https://prewarcards.com/pre-war-card-database/pre-war-baseball-card-sets-checklists/n-cards-19th-century-tobacco/ I'm also a big fan of trade cards, if you'd consider those. And there are several sets you can easily pursue there as well - more than happy to give some recommendations if you want those. Happy to answer any other questions you might have. 'Cap' Anson On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Would love to hear some discussion about nineteenth century cards - > especially but not only baseball. > - Do you have any? > - Who in OBC actively collects them? > - How did you come across the one(s) you chose to buy? > - What's the best deal you've found? > - What sets are most widely available, most liked, most challenging, most > counterfeited, etc? > Aaron ================= Date: 08 Nov 2017 20:14:04 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:17:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: Mac Wubben Generally I will use the tobacco pages...but a card saver into a 4 pocket page works great too. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 8, 2017 3:14 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? Does anybody have their N cards in a binder? What sort of sleeves do you use? Do you use additional protection within the sleeve pocket? David Luftig ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 16:19:24 -0500 To: David Luftig Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: Anson Whaley All of my cards are in binders and the tobacco card pages work fine. Most of my stuff is lower-end and if you're careful, you should be fine. They stick out the top a little with the 20-card pages so if that's a concern, you can always go to the 15-card pages. For larger ones like the Buchner Gold Coin cards, I use the nine-card pages. And as Mac said, the Card Savers/Toploaders work great in the 4-pocket pages. I use those for cards that are ungraded and a little more valuable. The 4-pocket pages are also great for graded cards, too. They fit all types (PSA, SGC, and even the thick BVG cases). On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 3:14 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Does anybody have their N cards in a binder? What sort of sleeves do you > use? Do you use additional protection within the sleeve pocket? > David Luftig ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:01:19 -0500 To: davidluftig@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: Mike Glasser I have a pretty extensive collection of N series cards and I keep them either in 20 page or 4 page binders, depending on the series of course. I actually have 3 full binders of N-245's (sepia actresses) in alphabetical order- crazy stuff. I do have a few 15 card sheets that hold some of the taller N series cards in some cases. I don't put them in any kind of additional sleeves as they then tend to notfit well and the wrinkles show. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? Does anybody have their N cards in a binder? What sort of sleeves do you use? Do you use additional protection within the sleeve pocket? David Luftig ================= Date: 08 Nov 2017 22:08:07 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 14:38:34 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" I have a two N300 baseball (Kinslow and Stockdale), two Old Judge Bill Greenwoods and one Tommy McCarthy, and about 200 non-sport. I have less than five other baseball (Tobins, die cut, etc.) I would need to check. I am working on the N3, N21 and N31 sets. I have I have 15 pocket sheets for the sets. Erik Greenwood On Nov 8, 2017 8:12 AM, "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Would love to hear some discussion about nineteenth century cards - > especially but not only baseball. > - Do you have any? > - Who in OBC actively collects them? > - How did you come across the one(s) you chose to buy? > - What's the best deal you've found? > - What sets are most widely available, most liked, most challenging, most > counterfeited, etc? > Aaron ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 17:40:48 -0500 To: ansonwhaley@gmail.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: Mike Glasser If you don't already have it, get the Forbes book https://www.amazon.com/American-Tobacco-Cards-Price-Checklist/dp/0930625234 which while not 100% complete, is by far the easiest and most definitive resource on these (and theT era cards as well). It doesn't address the sports issues with much detail - in fact it ignores some of them completely. Another reference is the World Tobacco Index, a series of hardback books printed in the UK that covers tobacco cards worldwide grouped in several different ways. This index is much more comprehensive but is also more difficult to use. They even publish an entire volume on tobacco silks - a newer interest of mine. My favorite thing about these older cards is reading the text. You really get a flavor of the times, in particular the various biases and Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Aaron Shirley Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? Hey Aaron - I love them and have several. I've got a growing collection of about 75 trade cards and several others, including Old Judge, Allen & Ginter, Buchner, Lawson Game, Duke's, etc., in my type collection. Recently started buildingan N88 Duke Terrors of America set, which has about ten baseball (generic)cards in it. A while back I was a few cards short of the N28 and N29 Ginter sets. I consider the N28 baseball cards to be the best-looking 19th Century cards. Honestly, they're probably my favorites across any era, even things like T205 and T206. Many prefer the N162 Goodwin cards to them but I personally don't.Simplistic and outstanding. I buy most of mine on eBay. The best deal I ever found? Probably a trimmed N28 Comiskey for $90. I had it graded and sold it for more than double that. I can give more advice on sets off of the group so as not to bore everyone else. But N28 or N29 Allen & Ginter are probably what I'd recommend. Both are challenging but no card is that impossible to find. You should be aware that both are multi-sport - N28 has ten baseball cards (out of 50) and N29 has six (also out of 50). If you have deeper pockets, there's also the N162Goodwin. More difficult and more expensive. If you're not into all of the other sports, you can always just focus on the baseball cards. A lot of people do that. Aside from trade cards, there aren't really purely baseball sets that are very doable. Things like Buchner and Old Judge are baseball but not realistic to complete. You can get more info on the N-Card database on my site withpictures, set reviews, etc., which might give you more ideas. https://prewarcards.com/pre-war-card-database/pre-war-baseball-card-sets-checklists/n-c= I'm also a big fan of trade cards, if you'd consider those. And there are several sets you can easily pursue there as well - more than happy to give some recommendations if you want those. Happy to answer any other questions you might have. 'Cap' Anson On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Would love to hear some discussion about nineteenth century cards - especially but not only baseball. - Do you have any? - Who in OBC actively collects them? - How did you come across the one(s) you chose to buy? - What's the best deal you've found? - What sets are most widely available, most liked, most challenging, most counterfeited, ================= Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 15:22:28 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: wite3 ================= Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2017 17:08:52 -0500 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? From: David Luciano Old Judge is my favorite. Love the ball hanging on a string in a studio. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/dluciano.htm On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:01 PM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have a pretty extensive collection of N series cards and I keep them either in 20 page or 4 page binders, depending on the series of course. I actually have 3 full binders of N-245's (sepia actresses) in alphabetical order - crazy stuff. I do have a few 15 card sheets that hold some of the taller N series cards in some cases. > I don't put them in any kind of additional sleeves as they then tend to not fit well and the wrinkles show. > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Nov 8, 2017 3:14 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nineteenth century cards? > Does anybody have their N cards in a binder? What sort of sleeves do you use? Do you use additional protection within the sleeve pocket? > David Luftig ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 20:57:20 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Nineteenth century cards? From: Andy Cook I have two N321 California League cards, about five Old Judges and a handful of N non-sports. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 09 Nov 2017 02:52:36 +0000 To: Subject: A story about my mother From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2017 18:53:08 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Nineteenth century cards? From: John Stamper I have one Allen and Ginter Sir Walter Raleigh. My Daughter is named Raleigh, so I collect Raleigh items. John Stamper > On Nov 8, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have two N321 California League cards, about five Old Judges and a handful of N non-sports. > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 09 Nov 2017 17:53:29 +0000 To: Subject: Re: A story about my mother From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: OBC ramblings Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 17:34:27 -0600 Subject: Condolences From: Yaz Hey, Mike, Condolences on the loss of your mom. My mother also started me on baseball card collecting in a way. She saw a couple of cards I brought home from 1st grade that I had found on the playground and that I liked them. She then brought me a couple of '62 rack packs home from the 5 & 10 and later bought the Post cereal with the baseball cards on the back. 98% of my collection until I flipped the neighbor kid out of his stack of '63's. Greg (yaz) ================= To: Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 19:08:16 -0500 Subject: Satchel Paige From: "Bob Donaldson" I've a bunch of Satchel Paige cards - Upper Deck, Topps Archives, reprints etc. If anyone would like a bunch drop me a line with your mailing address. I'll try to add some vintage cards to the envelope. ================= Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2017 20:44:42 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Nineteenth century cards? From: Ed pike I just heard my name mentioned. I love the n29 and n43, have the track and field n29s and still have a few N43s. Sorry, cannot remember the obc'er I split a lot of n43 with about 20 years ago, these can be very hard to find. I collect the album pages too, which seem very reasonably priced, and have a couple framed on my wall. The image quantity, color and durability of these cards is fantastic, definitely among my favorite sets of all time if notat the top, N162s are nice too, most of mine are trimmed. The Kimball n184s are weird, some have nice drawings and for some the secondary drawings look like my daughter drew it in about forth grade. Still looking for the Hart pedestrian between the acts/bravo n344, maybe the first card of an African American athlete so very popular. The most mysterious issue are the n174 Goodwin cards similar too but a different from the baseball series. I know of three I think track and field athletes, but who really knows how many were issued and how many still exist?I have one. For the SF Hess with boxers and track and field, also old sepia photos, I have zero.if you ever come across any 19th century track and field please lmk, thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 13:34:49 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Chicago Show Nov 18? From: Mike Mackie Chicago/FOOT area members - Anyone planning to attend the Chicago Sports Spectacular (formerly the Sun Times show) on Nov 18 or 19? I'd considerdriving down on Saturday afternoon the 18th if fellow OBCers will be attending. Mike Mackie ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 08:38:05 -0500 To: macknife13@prodigy.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show Nov 18? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I cannot make it this year. Maybe for the spring March show. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, Nov 10, 2017 8:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show Nov 18? Chicago/FOOT area members - Anyone planning to attend the Chicago Sports Spectacular (formerly the Sun Times show) on Nov 18 or 19? I'd consider driving down on Saturday afternoon the 18th if fellow OBCers will be attending. Mike Mackie ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 10:03:51 -0500 To: Mike Mackie , OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show Nov 18? From: JDahms ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 09:58:58 -0600 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obcmac@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show Nov 18? From: T J Content-Disposition: inline I will not be attending the show. And I know George is heading to sunny California and will not be attending as well. TJ Valacak -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 2017-11-10 7:36:57 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show Nov 18? Chicago/FOOT area members - Anyone planning to attend the Chicago Sports Spectacular (formerly the Sun Times show) on Nov 18 or 19? I'd consider driving down on Saturday afternoon the 18th if fellow OBCers will be attending. Mike Mackie ================= Date: 10 Nov 2017 21:12:39 +0000 To: Subject: idiot cards From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 21:24:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] idiot cards From: Aaron Shirley Richard and others Check out NON SPORT NOVEMBER at: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V59XqxPk6shNsEYFrW7j2VJDAP-SpfjLu_AT0WgvDDQ/edit?uspsharing From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 3:12 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] idiot cards Of course they are non-sport. Put out by Donruss in 1961 - I havee 3 available. On another note, I need the address to get to the non sports page. Thank you, Richard Labs Posted by: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2017 17:57:11 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Prewar & 1958 Call Bulletin From: Andy Cook Trade offers welcome. PPFF preferred. E92 Croft Candy Shean SGC-30 $105 T216 Dooin Cincinnati variation $325 D311 Byram SGC-20 $210 D311 Gipe SGC-40 $275 D311 Henderson BVG-3 $275 D311 Hoffman SGC-30 $240 1958 Call Bulletin $20 each ================= Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 02:08:46 +0000 (UTC) To: Yahoogroups Subject: Re: Chicago Show Nov 18? From: Ron Perry Weather permitting, I am planning on attending the Chicago show on Nov 18th. Ron Perry ================= Date: 11 Nov 2017 03:00:51 +0000 To: Subject: Non sports November From: welfar03@yahoo.com ================= Date: 11 Nov 2017 03:51:10 +0000 To: Subject: OBC support From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: 11 Nov 2017 04:12:35 +0000 To: Subject: 4 random waivers tonight From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2017 19:57:36 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: Waiverwire From: JDahms ================= Date: 12 Nov 2017 03:57:23 +0000 To: Subject: New subset-- and a couple thoughts about "action" cards and thanks to our veterans From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= To: "b_betza@yahoo.com" , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 04:18:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New subset-- and a couple thoughts about "action" From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: Anson Whaley , "davidluftig@gmail.com" Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:23:27 +0000 Subject: Opinion on an 1895 Mayo card? From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 20:18:56 +0100 (CET) To: "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did you hear about OBC? From: T J VALACAK MIME-Version: 1.0 I can remember doing a search for the 1970 and 1971 Topps Scratch offs. I was looking for a checklist. I found it on Chris Stufflestreet's website. That led me to checking out the OBC website. I did not apply for membership for a few years though, mainly because I did not have a website listing my wantlists. I didn't know that OBC could create one for me, and I was sopoor with technology that I didn't even attempt to create my own website. I believe at the 2005 March Sun-Times show here in Chicago, I was searchingthrough a monster box of vintage, 10/$1. A gentleman next to me had a wantlist with him as he was going through the box as well. I caught a glimpse of his list, and at the top it had OBC in the heading. So I asked, "Are youin OBC?" That started a nice conversation with George Vrechek. Soon after that, I made a trade with George and Chris and somebody else. Then applied for membership. I was approved back in August of 2005! I love this group! T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm > On November 2, 2017 at 8:37 PM "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > It is certainly sad news that Ron Barrett has passed. And recently Rich Niessen. Our prayers to the loved ones. > Sometimes our response to sadness doesn=E2=99t make sense. Mine, in this moment, was to latch on to the happy connection Andy made to how he got into OBC in the first place. That got me thinking. > I was a member at a chat board / website called Baseball Fever. Lots of fun and intense debate about the history and greats of the game. There was this guy there named UtterChaos. There were a couple threads with mentions of CARDS, not just baseball. There wasn=E2=99t much other talk in that thread, but UtterChaos (Bob Reed) and I struck up some side conversations. He took a chance on me maybe being a decent addition to this other site called OBC. That was 2005... and here we are 12 years later. > ...thanks Bob. I=E2=99m still pretty honored to be in this group. > PS I moved from Belleville IL to Milledgeville GA in Dec 2004. If I had found out about OBC a year sooner, I would have become aware that I lived less than a mile from the amazing Kent Goto. Alas, I never met Kent untilafter I moved back to Illinois in 2009. ================= To: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:39:29 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on an 1895 Mayo card? From: "Sal Domino" Or you can look at a Bannon J https://www.ebay.com/itm/1895-Mayo-Cut-Plug-Jimmy-Bannon-Boston/332446312017?_trkparmsaid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIM.MBE%26ao%3D2%26asc%3D41376%26meid%3= https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 1:23 PM To: Anson Whaley; davidluftig@gmail.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on an 1895 Mayo card? Hey guys, I=E2=99m wondering your opinions on this card. Legit? Legit seller? I buy so infrequently from eBay (and have NEVER bought a nineteenth century card) I just wanted to get some experienced experts on my side. https://m.ebay.com/itm/332446310018 Thanks for any input Sent from my iPhone On Nov 8, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Anson Whaley wrote: Hey Aaron - no worries, happy to help. Finding a Lowe Old Judge won't be impossible but probably not easy, either.He's one of the rarer cards in the set, I believe, and they're all rare tosome degree. Even the most populated Old Judge cards might not have more than 3-4 dozen cards. By comparison, the PSA pop report shows only a handfulgraded for most players. Specifically on Lowe, they have two variations listed and have graded only three of each. I found an old REA Auction for one that was about $500 for a graded 2. Finding any random Old Judge card is relatively easy but finding specific players is much, much more difficult. There just aren't many of them around. I read a post once on Net54 saying that every single card in the set is rarer than the Wagner T206. There are a good number of them as a whole, but that's because there are like 1,000 baseball cards in the set or something. Finding any one card is a bit of a challenge. You're probably more likely to come across a Delahanty from that set, to behonest. PSA has graded about 20 of those (total across all of his variations) and his cards will probably more in the spotlight as a Hall of Famer. The cost, of course, will be much higher. Someone had one on eBay for $10,000 last month. The Mayos for either might be a little easier to find. There's a Lowe on eBay for $600 right now but that's as a graded 3. You can definitely get it cheaper in lower-grade but again, it probably will come down to being able to find one. N300s aren't terribly plentiful, either. Hope your quest for one goes well - unfortunately those are some difficult cards to find. On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Aaron Shirley wrote: Hey guys. Thanks for the replies! These N-cards are fascinating. The shortest way I can explain it is I've always enjoyed collecting thematically. Guys who hit 4HR in a game was a fun theme that really stuck with me. Two 19th century guys on that list would be Bobby Lowe and Ed Delahanty. Bobby 'Link' Lowe has an Old Judge and a Mayo Cut Plug. And that's ALL the cards he has, as far as I can tell. So the MAIN reason I emailed was I'm wondering how affordably I could ever score one of those cards, if I had enough patience. I'm also wondering if a reprint would satisfy me. Ed's in the Hall so honestly he's LESS of a target. But he has cards in thesame two sets. I think I have a '75 Fleer Pioneers card of him though. Notgreat, but it will do until I get rich. So yeah... I just started thinking about getting one of these. Probably a pipe dream. What do you think? ================= Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 16:43:06 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: Opinion on an 1895 Mayo card? From: Anson Whaley Hey Aaron - I don't have a Mayo but it looks legit. I am unfamiliar with the seller but he has great feedback so you're probably fine. If authenticity was a concern, you might want to send it in to get graded. If it came back as not authentic, Paypal would almost certainly still refund your purchase even though it is out of the seller's 14-day window. I believe they will go back to six months on stuff like that. Good luck with it - On Sun, Nov 12, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Aaron Shirley > Hey guys, I=E2=99m wondering your opinions on this card. Legit? Legit seller? > buy so infrequently from eBay (and have NEVER bought a nineteenth century > card) I just wanted to get some experienced experts on my side. > https://m.ebay.com/itm/332446310018 > Thanks for any input > Aaron > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 8, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Anson Whaley wrote: > Hey Aaron - no worries, happy to help. > Finding a Lowe Old Judge won't be impossible but probably not easy, > either. He's one of the rarer cards in the set, I believe, and they're all > rare to some degree. Even the most populated Old Judge cards might not have > more than 3-4 dozen cards. By comparison, the PSA pop report shows only a > handful graded for most players. Specifically on Lowe, they have two > variations listed and have graded only three of each. > I found an old REA Auction for one that was about $500 for a graded 2. > Finding any random Old Judge card is relatively easy but finding specific > players is much, much more difficult. There just aren't many of them > around. I read a post once on Net54 saying that every single card in the > set is rarer than the Wagner T206. There are a good number of them as a > whole, but that's because there are like 1,000 baseball cards in the set or > something. Finding any one card is a bit of a challenge. > You're probably more likely to come across a Delahanty from that set, to > be honest. PSA has graded about 20 of those (total across all of his > variations) and his cards will probably more in the spotlight as a Hall of > Famer. The cost, of course, will be much higher. Someone had one on eBay > for $10,000 last month. > The Mayos for either might be *a little* easier to find. There's a Lowe > on eBay for $600 right now but that's as a graded 3. You can definitely get > it cheaper in lower-grade but again, it probably will come down to being > able to find one. N300s aren't terribly plentiful, either. > Hope your quest for one goes well - unfortunately those are some difficult > cards to find. > Anson > On Wed, Nov 8, 2017 at 1:02 PM, Aaron Shirley > wrote: >> Hey guys. Thanks for the replies! These N-cards are fascinating. >> The shortest way I can explain it is I've always enjoyed collecting >> thematically. Guys who hit 4HR in a game was a fun theme that really stuck >> with me. Two 19th century guys on that list would be Bobby Lowe and Ed >> Delahanty. >> Bobby 'Link' Lowe has an Old Judge and a Mayo Cut Plug. And that's ALL >> the cards he has, as far as I can tell. So the MAIN reason I emailed was >> I'm wondering how affordably I could ever score one of those cards, if I >> had enough patience. I'm also wondering if a reprint would satisfy me. >> Ed's in the Hall so honestly he's LESS of a target. But he has cards in >> the same two sets. I think I have a '75 Fleer Pioneers card of him though. >> Not great, but it will do until I get rich. >> So yeah... I just started thinking about getting one of these. Probably a >> pipe dream. What do you think? >> Aaron ================= Date: 12 Nov 2017 22:30:34 +0000 To: Subject: 1972 topps Checklist variation From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 18:57:02 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation From: "Sal Domino" Here=E2=99s a pic of mine. Notice the space of yellow at the top of Bailey. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:31 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation Can anyone tell the difference between large and small print versions of checklist #478 in the 72 Topps set as I cannot. I have stared at the labeled cards and there is no difference Checklist 251 is more obvious with the way the names line up at the bottom,478 not so much. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Sal Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 01:55:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation From: Taylor Schock Thanks, Sal! Next up on the '72 checklist differences. Does anyone have a side-by-side example of #108? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 6:57 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation Here=92s a pic of mine. Notice the space of yellow at the top of Bailey. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google Sites CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:31 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation Can anyone tell the difference between large and small print versions of checklist #478 in the 72 Topps set as I cannot. I have stared at the labeled cards and there is no difference Checklist 251 is more obvious with the way the names line up at the bottom,478 not so much. ================= To: Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2017 22:01:27 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation From: "Sal Domino" 72 checklist is #103 but there is no variation listed in the book. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: Taylor Schock [mailto:taylor_schock@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 8:56 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation Thanks, Sal! Next up on the '72 checklist differences. Does anyone have a side-by-side example of #108? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 6:57 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation Here's a pic of mine. Notice the space of yellow at the top of Bailey. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2017 5:31 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation Can anyone tell the difference between large and small print versions of checklist #478 in the 72 Topps set as I cannot. I have stared at the labeled cards and there is no difference Checklist 251 is more obvious with the way the names line up at the bottom, 478 not so much. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 16:50:04 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sun Times show this weekend From: Gary Mandell Anyone besides Nick and myself attending the show this Saturday? Gary Mandell ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Sal Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 23:38:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:11:46 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 topps Checklist variation From: Ken M ================= Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2017 20:45:58 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Star Wars cards 2017 From: Raymond Luurs I told Joe Issac I was back up and running Apparetly i am not a member of the uV list. So sorry that i used this method tell i get my list up. is omehow bought 2 Star Wars the journey to the last jedi I would like to sell one for what i paid for it 9.99 and i ll pay for the postage. Any interest let me know FCFS ================= Date: 14 Nov 2017 14:34:54 +0000 To: Subject: before this drives me crazy.... From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:33:13 -0500 To: Gary Mandell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show this weekend From: "Thomas W. Billing" FYI, my cell is 937-284-3499. Since George is the only one who knows me at sight (somewhat at that), we would not know each other. Feel free to buzz me Saturday and see if I am there. I still will go Friday but may return Saturday, most likely in the morning. Tom Billing > On Nov 13, 2017, at 8:59 PM, Gary Mandell wrote: > Great Tom. Hope to see you there > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2017, at 6:50 PM, Thomas W. Billing > >> I may. Will be there Friday for sure >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> On Monday, November 13, 2017, 4:50 PM, Gary Mandell smartalecx@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Anyone besides Nick and myself attending the show this Saturday? >> Gary Mandell ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 09:47:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net White Trucks and Pink Cadillacs Take a look at the 1964 Philadelphia Football cards of the Cleveland Browns-- Most every card has Jim Brown's pink Cadillac on the other side of a chain link fence. Reminds me of Mike Rich's card with the dumpster lurking in the background. LOL peter mead -----Original Message----- From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 9:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... B.Betza trivia questions from the other day got me to looking thru some cards , looking at backgrounds etc. I remember a Topps card having d a whitetruck parked in the background? What the heck is the card? donnie barnett ================= Date: 14 Nov 2017 15:20:28 +0000 To: Subject: Re: before this drives me crazy.... From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com" , Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 18:16:42 +0000 Subject: MLB brothers From: Aaron Shirley Kevin and others Here's the data I compiled on MLB brothers. Pretty sure it's complete. There are literally hundreds of MLB brothers, so I listed those families with 3or 5 brothers: DELAHANTY - Ed, Frank, Jim, Joe, Tom 4 brothers: O'NEILL - Jack, Jim, Mike, Steve 3 brothers: eighteen sets... ALLEN - Dick, Hank, Ron ALOU - Felipe, Jesus, Matty BOYER - Clete, Cloyd, Ken CLARKSON - Dad, John, Walter CROSS - Amos, Frank, Lave CRUZ - Hector, Jose, Tommy DIMAGGIO - Dom, Joe, Vince DREW - J.D., Stephen, Tim EDWARDS - Dave, Marshall, Mike HIGH - Andy, Charlie, Hugh MANSELL - John, Mike, Tom MOLINA - Bengie, Jose, Yadier PACIOREK - Jim, John, Tom PEREZ - Carlos, Melido, Pascual SADOWSKI - Bob, Ed, Ted SEWELL - Joe, Luke, Tommy SOWDERS - Bill, John, Len WRIGHT - George, Harry, Sam Hope this helps satisfy that curiosity! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 19:39:49 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... From: Bob Reed Luis Alvarado's 1973 card (#627) has lots of cars in the background. Sent from Outlook From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:47 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... White Trucks and Pink Cadillacs Take a look at the 1964 Philadelphia Football cards of the Cleveland Browns-- Most every card has Jim Brown's pink Cadillac on the other side of a chain link fence. Reminds me of Mike Rich's card with the dumpster lurking in the background. LOL peter mead -----Original Message----- From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 9:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... B.Betza trivia questions from the other day got me to looking thru some cards , looking at backgrounds etc. I remember a Topps card having d a whitetruck parked in the background? What the heck is the card? donnie barnett ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:44:12 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Nice thing I saw at a Flea Market From: Bob Donaldson I go to a lot of Flea Markets. A lot of times there are guys there who clean out houses and then sell everything, a lot of junk, but you never know. Anyways I am by a guy's table, there is some mechanical thing. I've no idea what it was, neither did he evidently. Someone asks him "how much". "Ten dollars" he says. The person asking says "Hey, that's an XYX flubobulator*, and I see them on ebay for $700 all the time". That was pretty nice of him. Would I have done the same if he had a 52 Topps Mantle for $10?????? ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:04:47 -0500 To: Bob Reed Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... [1 Attachment] From: ShoelessWes Lol, keep em coming! Wes Shepard > On Nov 14, 2017, at 2:39 PM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > [Attachment(s) from Bob Reed included below] > Luis Alvarado's 1973 card (#627) has lots of cars in the background. > Sent from Outlook > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:47 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... > White Trucks and Pink Cadillacs > Take a look at the 1964 Philadelphia Football cards of the Cleveland Browns-- > Most every card has Jim Brown's pink Cadillac on the other side of a chain link fence. Reminds me of Mike Rich's card with the dumpster lurking in the background. LOL > peter mead > -----Original Message----- > From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 9:34 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... > B.Betza trivia questions from the other day got me to looking thru some cards , looking at backgrounds etc. I remember a Topps card having d a white truck parked in the background? What the heck is the card? > donnie barnett ================= To: Bob Reed , "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:05:29 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... [1 Attachment] From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 15:26:55 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net You could always take a peek at the 1908 American Brush postcards. I bet the Ty Cobb "card" is affordable. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Bob Reed ; hoot_owl1 ; Mountaineer1999 ; b_betza Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 3:05 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... Fellas, I believe this now qualifies as an official mini-collection idea: cards with vehicles in background! Anyone care to add to the checklist? 1970 Topps 540 Fregosi 1973 Topps 627 Alvarado 1964 Philly FB (most Cleveland Browns) Sent from my iPhone On Nov 14, 2017, at 1:39 PM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Luis Alvarado's 1973 card (#627) has lots of cars in the background. Sent from Outlook From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:47 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... White Trucks and Pink Cadillacs Take a look at the 1964 Philadelphia Football cards of the Cleveland Browns-- Most every card has Jim Brown's pink Cadillac on the other side of a chain link fence. Reminds me of Mike Rich's card with the dumpster lurking in the background. LOL peter mead -----Original Message----- From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 9:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... B.Betza trivia questions from the other day got me to looking thru some cards , looking at backgrounds etc. I remember a Topps card having d a whitetruck parked in the background? What the heck is the card? donnie barnett ================= Date: 14 Nov 2017 20:30:15 +0000 To: Subject: Montgomery Card Collection for Sale From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 16:30:37 -0500 To: Bob Reed Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... [1 Attachment] From: Ron H Sweet cars in that 73 alvarado card. merc. cougar, skylark and idk what On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 2:39 PM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_3201212665416430947_TopText> from Bob Reed included > below] > Luis Alvarado's 1973 card (#627) has lots of cars in the background. > Sent from Outlook > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:47 AM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... > White Trucks and Pink Cadillacs > Take a look at the 1964 Philadelphia Football cards of the Cleveland > Browns-- > Most every card has Jim Brown's pink Cadillac on the other side of a chain > link fence. Reminds me of Mike Rich's card with the dumpster lurking in > the background. LOL > peter mead > -----Original Message----- > From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 9:34 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... > B.Betza trivia questions from the other day got me to looking thru some > cards , looking at backgrounds etc. I remember a Topps card having d a > white truck parked in the background? What the heck is the card? > donnie barnett ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 17:16:16 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: before this drives me crazy.... From: bskp1@aol.com 1970 Fregosi is #570 Best regards, ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 14:17:59 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1969 MLB O-Pee-Chee Lot of 113 From: Rick Someone might be interested in these View item: 1969 MLB O-Pee-Chee Lot of 113 End Time: Nov 15, 2017, 8:36:00 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 15 Nov 2017 00:40:25 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] before this drives me crazy.... From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:12:17 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1969 MLB O-Pee-Chee Lot of 113 From: Yahoo Anybody going to bid on this lot?. If not I will don=E2=99t want to drive the price up. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 14, 2017, at 17:17, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Someone might be interested in these > View item: > 1969 MLB O-Pee-Chee Lot of 113 > End Time: Nov 15, 2017, 8:36:00 PM PST > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:20:22 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 1962 post Eddie Mathews waiver From: JDahms ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" , Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 20:47:32 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers From: "Sal Domino" This begs the question: Hugh High? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:17 PM To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Kevin and others Here's the data I compiled on MLB brothers. Pretty sure it's complete. There are literally hundreds of MLB brothers, so I listed those families with 3 or 5 brothers: DELAHANTY - Ed, Frank, Jim, Joe, Tom 4 brothers: O'NEILL - Jack, Jim, Mike, Steve 3 brothers: eighteen sets... ALLEN - Dick, Hank, Ron ALOU - Felipe, Jesus, Matty BOYER - Clete, Cloyd, Ken CLARKSON - Dad, John, Walter CROSS - Amos, Frank, Lave CRUZ - Hector, Jose, Tommy DIMAGGIO - Dom, Joe, Vince DREW - J.D., Stephen, Tim EDWARDS - Dave, Marshall, Mike HIGH - Andy, Charlie, Hugh MANSELL - John, Mike, Tom MOLINA - Bengie, Jose, Yadier PACIOREK - Jim, John, Tom PEREZ - Carlos, Melido, Pascual SADOWSKI - Bob, Ed, Ted SEWELL - Joe, Luke, Tommy SOWDERS - Bill, John, Len WRIGHT - George, Harry, Sam Hope this helps satisfy that curiosity! ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 01:51:41 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Does anyone collect PBA cards? I have some NY stuff From: Dan Angland I have some credit card type PBA cards from my degenerate NYC friends and a couple of Suffolk County..Anyone collect these? Send your address.Dan Angland ================= To: Sal Domino , "holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com" Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 02:26:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers From: Aaron Shirley Look up Honus Wagner's brother's name. I won't spoil it... From: Sal Domino Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:47 PM To: 'Aaron Shirley'; holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers This begs the question: Hugh High? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google Sites CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:17 PM To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; KEVINM38@aol.com Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Kevin and others Here's the data I compiled on MLB brothers. Pretty sure it's complete. There are literally hundreds of MLB brothers, so I listed those families with 3or 5 brothers: DELAHANTY - Ed, Frank, Jim, Joe, Tom 4 brothers: O'NEILL - Jack, Jim, Mike, Steve 3 brothers: eighteen sets... ALLEN - Dick, Hank, Ron ALOU - Felipe, Jesus, Matty BOYER - Clete, Cloyd, Ken CLARKSON - Dad, John, Walter CROSS - Amos, Frank, Lave CRUZ - Hector, Jose, Tommy DIMAGGIO - Dom, Joe, Vince DREW - J.D., Stephen, Tim EDWARDS - Dave, Marshall, Mike HIGH - Andy, Charlie, Hugh MANSELL - John, Mike, Tom MOLINA - Bengie, Jose, Yadier PACIOREK - Jim, John, Tom PEREZ - Carlos, Melido, Pascual SADOWSKI - Bob, Ed, Ted SEWELL - Joe, Luke, Tommy SOWDERS - Bill, John, Len WRIGHT - George, Harry, Sam Hope this helps satisfy that curiosity! ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" , Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2017 21:33:30 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers From: "Sal Domino" Lmao now how would that look on your jersey! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: Aaron Shirley [mailto:uthminsta@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 9:27 PM To: Sal Domino; holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Look up Honus Wagner's brother's name. I won't spoil it... From: Sal Domino Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:47 PM To: 'Aaron Shirley'; holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; KEVINM38@aol.com Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers This begs the question: Hugh High? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:17 PM To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Kevin and others Here's the data I compiled on MLB brothers. Pretty sure it's complete. There are literally hundreds of MLB brothers, so I listed those families with 3 or 5 brothers: DELAHANTY - Ed, Frank, Jim, Joe, Tom 4 brothers: O'NEILL - Jack, Jim, Mike, Steve 3 brothers: eighteen sets... ALLEN - Dick, Hank, Ron ALOU - Felipe, Jesus, Matty BOYER - Clete, Cloyd, Ken CLARKSON - Dad, John, Walter CROSS - Amos, Frank, Lave CRUZ - Hector, Jose, Tommy DIMAGGIO - Dom, Joe, Vince DREW - J.D., Stephen, Tim EDWARDS - Dave, Marshall, Mike HIGH - Andy, Charlie, Hugh MANSELL - John, Mike, Tom MOLINA - Bengie, Jose, Yadier PACIOREK - Jim, John, Tom PEREZ - Carlos, Melido, Pascual SADOWSKI - Bob, Ed, Ted SEWELL - Joe, Luke, Tommy SOWDERS - Bill, John, Len WRIGHT - George, Harry, Sam Hope this helps satisfy that curiosity! ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:45:19 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: A wee ramble From: Glenn Codere Hi guys, I thought I should drop you a message to let you know why I've been so quiet for some time now. 2017 has been a very poor year for me from a card collecting sense. Other than through the generosity of OBCers, I've added virtually nothing to my collection. The ongoing depressed exchange rate between the UK and US due to the insanity of Brexit, coupled with ever increasing shipping costs has made it very difficult for me to justify the financial outlay for cards. Maureen and I have also been completing payments on our home extension (successfully!) and we've also recently bought a new car so money is fairly tight and what disposable income I do have has been going on other things. I've been expanding my portfolio of single malt Scotch whisky for investment purposes in order to boost my retirement fund. I think I've been buying welland have seen a return of over 25% on my investment in less than one year (based on current auction prices). A much better return than I'd see in anybank! I hope to retire in just under 3 years time, and the intention is tocontinue to build the collection until such time as I might require it to bolster my income. I need to bridge a 7 year gap between the time I retire and the time I reach state pension age. This should really help me in a bigway. My absence has not solely been down to finances though. It's been a very difficult year for me in so many ways. It's almost exactly 1 year since I witnessed a horrific event in Glasgow that left a big impression on me from a mental perspective. It's taken me a long time to find my way out of the very low ebb that I found myself in. In fact, I'm still trying. I thought I'd cracked it several months ago but recently I've found myself getting dragged down again mainly thanks to ongoing problems at work. The data support person I manage has been off for health reasons for over 75% of the past yearand I've had to carry out his work in addition to my own with no let up indeadlines or expectation. Also, our unit over the past few years has become increasingly corporate and risk-averse, complicating ever little thing with "process", "initiatives", and more and more red tape leaving no room whatsoever for personal growth or development. As a result, work has become a never-ending, unrewarding, unsatisfying grind. I'm now over-compensating for these lows by doing far too much socialising - overspending, overeating, and probably drinking more than I really should. I've gained some weight and my general health isn't great. Fortunately, it's a spiral that I recognise and I understand that I need to get back to doing the things that were sosuccessful for me earlier in the year. It's by no means easy but recognising the problem and desiring to do something about it is the first step. Anyway, as you can see cards have not been my primary focus of late. And I feel kind of bad about that because OBCers have continued to be their usualgenerous selves, still sending things my way despite my silence. I desperately need to catch up on "thank yous"!!! Although an option I've considered, I really don't want to go inactive at this point. I still get a huge kickout of reading the myriad of OBC messages that hit my mailbox every day - I've really enjoyed the recent thread about how people first discovered OBC, for example - and although I'm not able to reciprocate terribly well at the moment, I still get a thrill when an SCP arrives at my desk in the morning mail. I would however like to ask OBCers to please consider my circumstance before sending anything my way in the immediate future. It may be some time before I'm back on the horse and contributing as I would like. It is something I strive to do, however. What I need is a good lottery win to let me get out to the next National soI can replenish the dupes box and spend some time with all you guys without having to worry about that damn exchange rate!! Cheers for now!! GlennGlasgow, Scotland ================= To: "'Glenn Codere'" , Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:28:27 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A wee ramble From: "Matt Yudt" Hi Glenn Good to hear from you =E2=93 keep those spirits up, nothing is permanent. Really funny to hear from you because just two nights ago I was trying to organize our family photos (I have taken on this duty because my wife recognized that I enjoy sorting/organizing and putting little pictures in binders=E2=A6 hmm), and I came across the attached photo. Wanted to send it to you and say hello, and now I will just attach it for everyone. This was in October 2011. I joined OBC in Spring of that year (thanks to Mike R-W!) and YOU were the first OBCer I met in person. I always thought that was rather funny, being the FARTHEST away. But I came over for a science conference and really got to enjoy Glasgow thanks to your guidance and new friendship. Will never forget finding baseball cards in my hotel welcome packet, and of course more later in person. Great intro to the OBC way! Of course you shouldn=E2=99t worry about the lull in your hobby activity =E2=93 we all go thru ebs and flows as life and other interests jump ahead of it from time to time. But you know that. Good luck with the lottery, the lifestyle changes (do it!), and the investment strategy (probably good you didn=E2=99t choose BB cards for that). Hope to make it back to Scotland sometime, and we can enjoy more time =E2=93 and play some golf too! All the best, From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 7:45 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A wee ramble Hi guys, I thought I should drop you a message to let you know why I've been so quiet for some time now. 2017 has been a very poor year for me from a card collecting sense. Other than through the generosity of OBCers, I've added virtually nothing to my collection. The ongoing depressed exchange rate between the UK and US due to the insanity of Brexit, coupled with ever increasing shipping costs has made it very difficult for me to justify the financial outlay for cards. Maureen and I have also been completing payments on our home extension (successfully!) and we've also recently bought a new car so money is fairly tight and what disposable income I do have has been going on other things. I've been expanding my portfolio of single malt Scotch whisky for investment purposes in order to boost my retirement fund. I think I've been buying welland have seen a return of over 25% on my investment in less than one year (based on current auction prices). A much better return than I'd see in anybank! I hope to retire in just under 3 years time, and the intention is tocontinue to build the collection until such time as I might require it to bolster my income. I need to bridge a 7 year gap between the time I retire and the time I reach state pension age. This should really help me in a bigway. My absence has not solely been down to finances though. It's been a very difficult year for me in so many ways. It's almost exactly 1 year since I witnessed a horrific event in Glasgow that left a big impression on me from a mental perspective. It's taken me a long time to find my way out of the very low ebb that I found myself in. In fact, I'm still trying. I thought I'd cracked it several months ago but recently I've found myself getting dragged down again mainly thanks to ongoing problems at work. The data support person I manage has been off for health reasons for over 75% of the past yearand I've had to carry out his work in addition to my own with no let up indeadlines or expectation. Also, our unit over the past few years has become increasingly corporate and risk-averse, complicating ever little thing with "process", "initiatives", and more and more red tape leaving no room whatsoever for personal growth or development. As a result, work has become a never-ending, unrewarding, unsatisfying grind. I'm now over-compensating for these lows by doing far too much socialising - overspending, overeating, and probably drinking more than I really should. I've gained some weight and my general health isn't great. Fortunately, it's a spiral that I recognise and I understand that I need to get back to doing the things that were sosuccessful for me earlier in the year. It's by no means easy but recognising the problem and desiring to do something about it is the first step. Anyway, as you can see cards have not been my primary focus of late. And I feel kind of bad about that because OBCers have continued to be their usualgenerous selves, still sending things my way despite my silence. I desperately need to catch up on "thank yous"!!! Although an option I've considered, I really don't want to go inactive at this point. I still get a huge kickout of reading the myriad of OBC messages that hit my mailbox every day - I've really enjoyed the recent thread about how people first discovered OBC, for example - and although I'm not able to reciprocate terribly well at the moment, I still get a thrill when an SCP arrives at my desk in the morning mail. I would however like to ask OBCers to please consider my circumstance before sending anything my way in the immediate future. It may be some time before I'm back on the horse and contributing as I would like. It is something I strive to do, however. What I need is a good lottery win to let me get out to the next National soI can replenish the dupes box and spend some time with all you guys without having to worry about that damn exchange rate!! Cheers for now!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:43:38 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 post Eddie Mathews waiver From: JDahms ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:55:33 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 61 fleer newhouser waiver From: JDahms ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:58:10 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: KSA grading From: Rick I have never sent any cards for grading to PSA and others and agree they would be the preferred option but I really only want a couple cards graded. Ido go to Canada a couple times a year so I could get a couple cards gradedin person there. Question is does anyone have any experience using them orif there grading would be similar to the main graders? Would it be worth at least having them in some kind of holder or just wasting time/money? It'sonly $10 per card in person so the money isn't the issue but I don't want to get a six but PSA would give it a two. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:59:57 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Broken link to WL From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Is the problem with the wantlists just for certain website hosts? I use Google, and my wantlist like doesn't work. I think this happened once Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:09:40 -0800 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Broken link to WL From: Rick I can pull up everyone's tried OBC sites and people that have personal ones. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 15, 2017, at 8:59 AM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- > Is the problem with the wantlists just for certain website hosts? I use Google, and my wantlist like doesn't work. I think this happened once before.. > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:20:41 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] KSA grading From: Bob Donaldson If you are grading in order to improve the price you might get on re-sale, I would definitely go with PSA, especially for post-War cards. I'm not too familiar with KSA, but likely wouldn't buy a cards that's graded by them. I'm sure I'm not alone. On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:58 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have never sent any cards for grading to PSA and others and agree they > would be the preferred option but I really only want a couple cards graded. > I do go to Canada a couple times a year so I could get a couple cards > graded in person there. Question is does anyone have any experience using > them or if there grading would be similar to the main graders? Would it be > worth at least having them in some kind of holder or just wasting > time/money? It's only $10 per card in person so the money isn't the issue > but I don't want to get a six but PSA would give it a two. Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:27:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] KSA grading From: Mac Wubben You are wasting money putting it in a KSA holder. You would probably get less in a KSA holder than a raw card. I agree with Bob D...post war should go to PSA if you are trying to sell. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2017 11:58 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] KSA grading I have never sent any cards for grading to PSA and others and agree they would be the preferred option but I really only want a couple cards graded. Ido go to Canada a couple times a year so I could get a couple cards gradedin person there. Question is does anyone have any experience using them orif there grading would be similar to the main graders? Would it be worth at least having them in some kind of holder or just wasting time/money? It'sonly $10 per card in person so the money isn't the issue but I don't want to get a six but PSA would give it a two. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:54:01 -0500 To: chicod1@aol.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers From: KEVINM38@aol.com -----Original Message----- From: Sal Domino To: 'Aaron Shirley' ; holidayandhobbies ; rangersteve7 ; KEVINM38 Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 8:47 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers This begs the question: Hugh High? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:17 PM To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; KEVINM38@aol.com Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Kevin and others Here's the data I compiled on MLB brothers. Pretty sure it's complete. There are literally hundreds of MLB brothers, so I listed those families with 3or 5 brothers: DELAHANTY - Ed, Frank, Jim, Joe, Tom 4 brothers: O'NEILL - Jack, Jim, Mike, Steve 3 brothers: eighteen sets... ALLEN - Dick, Hank, Ron ALOU - Felipe, Jesus, Matty BOYER - Clete, Cloyd, Ken CLARKSON - Dad, John, Walter CROSS - Amos, Frank, Lave CRUZ - Hector, Jose, Tommy DIMAGGIO - Dom, Joe, Vince DREW - J.D., Stephen, Tim EDWARDS - Dave, Marshall, Mike HIGH - Andy, Charlie, Hugh MANSELL - John, Mike, Tom MOLINA - Bengie, Jose, Yadier PACIOREK - Jim, John, Tom PEREZ - Carlos, Melido, Pascual SADOWSKI - Bob, Ed, Ted SEWELL - Joe, Luke, Tommy SOWDERS - Bill, John, Len WRIGHT - George, Harry, Sam Hope this helps satisfy that curiosity! ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 12:57:24 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, chicod1@aol.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers From: KEVINM38@aol.com Butt Why? -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley To: Sal Domino ; holidayandhobbies ; rangersteve7 ; KEVINM38 Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Sent: Tue, Nov 14, 2017 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Look up Honus Wagner's brother's name. I won't spoil it... From: Sal Domino Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 7:47 PM To: 'Aaron Shirley'; holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers This begs the question: Hugh High? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google Sites CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2017 1:17 PM To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; rangersteve7@optonline.net; KEVINM38@aol.com Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MLB brothers Kevin and others Here's the data I compiled on MLB brothers. Pretty sure it's complete. There are literally hundreds of MLB brothers, so I listed those families with 3or 5 brothers: DELAHANTY - Ed, Frank, Jim, Joe, Tom 4 brothers: O'NEILL - Jack, Jim, Mike, Steve 3 brothers: eighteen sets... ALLEN - Dick, Hank, Ron ALOU - Felipe, Jesus, Matty BOYER - Clete, Cloyd, Ken CLARKSON - Dad, John, Walter CROSS - Amos, Frank, Lave CRUZ - Hector, Jose, Tommy DIMAGGIO - Dom, Joe, Vince DREW - J.D., Stephen, Tim EDWARDS - Dave, Marshall, Mike HIGH - Andy, Charlie, Hugh MANSELL - John, Mike, Tom MOLINA - Bengie, Jose, Yadier PACIOREK - Jim, John, Tom PEREZ - Carlos, Melido, Pascual SADOWSKI - Bob, Ed, Ted SEWELL - Joe, Luke, Tommy SOWDERS - Bill, John, Len WRIGHT - George, Harry, Sam Hope this helps satisfy that curiosity! ================= To: "'Rick'" , Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:03:31 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] KSA grading From: "Grant Rainsley" Their process is not the same as PSA...I have seen them grading on site at a show in Vancouver....one guy looks at the card and grades it...at least that is what I saw happen there. I have heard PSA has three guys do a card, don't know if that is accurate or not. KSA gets no points for accuracy on Net 54, they have a rep for overgrading, on 54 at least. They seem "okay" at spotting forgeries, but I have seen KSA graded cards that to my eye were trimmed...and no Qualifier mentioned. If you are just doing it for protection of a card, their holders seem okay. Mind you, I have never been much of a customer getting cards graded..I think three with PSA, and that's From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 15, 2017 8:58 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] KSA grading I have never sent any cards for grading to PSA and others and agree they would be the preferred option but I really only want a couple cards graded. I do go to Canada a couple times a year so I could get a couple cards graded in person there. Question is does anyone have any experience using them or if there grading would be similar to the main graders? Would it be worth at least having them in some kind of holder or just wasting time/money? It's only $10 per card in person so the money isn't the issue but I don't want to get a six but PSA would give it a two. Rick Sent from my iPad This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ================= Date: 15 Nov 2017 18:26:42 +0000 To: Subject: American Greed - Mastro Auctions From: miglasser@aol.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 16:53:02 -0600 Subject: Congrats to Peter Mead From: "George Vrechek" Peter reports that his collection has now exceeded 50,000 single vintage sports cards. Peter therefore becomes the only member of the Lionel Carter Level on the Set Collectors Recognition page, which will be updated shortly. I know it takes years of effort to have that much old cardboard, and Peter has passed on a lot of cardboard to others on his way up the ladder. Way to Speech! Speech! Tell us how you did it. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:10:23 +0000 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead From: Joel Freedman Way to go Peter! On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 5:53 PM 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Peter reports that his collection has now exceeded 50,000 single vintage > sports cards. Peter therefore becomes the only member of the Lionel Carter > Level on the Set Collectors Recognition page, which will be updated > shortly. I know it takes years of effort to have that much old cardboard, > and Peter has passed on a lot of cardboard to others on his way up the > ladder. Way to go. > Speech! Speech! Tell us how you did it. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:30:49 -0500 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead From: ShoelessWes Tell us about your first baseball card! Wes Shepard > On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:53 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Peter reports that his collection has now exceeded 50,000 single vintage sports cards. Peter therefore becomes the only member of the Lionel Carter Level on the Set Collectors Recognition page, which will be updated shortly. I know it takes years of effort to have that much old cardboard, and Peter has passed on a lot of cardboard to others on his way up the ladder. Way to > Speech! Speech! Tell us how you did it. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:01:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Mike Rich pushed me over the top a couple of weeks ago with a large box of 450 mid-1970s OPC hockey. Lots of oddball, minor league and regional stuffon my lists. I believe I need 132 Topps and 96 Bowman cards (no variations) to complete runs--I have no expectation of ever finishing off either run. I will share the latest version of the Excel file that I keep; the accountants in the group can audit my count. Some points of discussion--I do count 1962 greenies and some other variations: 1961 Post box and company cards, other Post variations in the 1962 (blue lines), Post Canadian (bio differences) and 1963 (Koppe, Daddy Wags, and a few others). I did include eight biography differences in the 1950 Royal Dessert cards (these were produced from 1950-1952 and some of the players appear on as many as three differentteams). Things I didn't count--1954 Bowman variations or any color back variations (grey, cream, white, etc from 1956, 1959 or 1960) or Hostess brown backs. The 1941 Double Play set is only 75 cards, not 150. I did not include any Kellogg's back variations (I don't want to go crazy like our resident expert). Also didn't include any back variations/tobacco brands for T205s or T206s. First card--how about first packs were purchased in 1965. My mom didn't throw out our cards (and I have two older brothers). I moved from western NY to Virginia, to Boston to Maryland with a lot of shoe boxes. First old cardI remember is the 1956 Jim Konstanty card as a Yankee that he, himself gave When I joined OBC I had almost no cards prior to 1959, but I did have thousands of dups from 1965-1978 in all sports. The dup box is not nearly as full these days, other than the lots I pick up for the one or two cards I might need. OPC hockey and Sunoco football stamps are the easiest way to increase the overall number of sports items. Thanks to all of OBC for feeding my habit, I mean hobby, peter mead -----Original Message----- From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 15, 2017 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead Tell us about your first baseball card! Wes Shepard On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:53 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Peter reports that his collection has now exceeded 50,000 single vintage sports cards. Peter therefore becomes the only member of the Lionel Carter Level on the Set Collectors Recognition page, which will be updated shortly. I know it takes years of effort to have that much old cardboard, and Peter has passed on a lot of cardboard to others on his way up the ladder. Way togo. Speech! Speech! Tell us how you did it. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:13:57 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead [1 Attachment] From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Some points of discussion--I do count 1962 greenies and some other variations: 1961 Post box and company cards, other Post variations in the 1962 (blue lines), Post Canadian (bio differences) and 1963 (Koppe, Daddy Wags, and a few others). I did include eight biography differences in the 1950 Royal Dessert cards (these were produced from 1950-1952 and some of the playersappear on as many as three different teams). CHEATER! lol -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 15, 2017 7:02 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from hoot_owl1@verizon.net included below] Mike Rich pushed me over the top a couple of weeks ago with a large box of 450 mid-1970s OPC hockey. Lots of oddball, minor league and regional stuffon my lists. I believe I need 132 Topps and 96 Bowman cards (no variations) to complete runs--I have no expectation of ever finishing off either run. I will share the latest version of the Excel file that I keep; the accountants in the group can audit my count. Some points of discussion--I do count 1962 greenies and some other variations: 1961 Post box and company cards, other Post variations in the 1962 (blue lines), Post Canadian (bio differences) and 1963 (Koppe, Daddy Wags, and a few others). I did include eight biography differences in the 1950 Royal Dessert cards (these were produced from 1950-1952 and some of the players appear on as many as three differentteams). Things I didn't count--1954 Bowman variations or any color back variations (grey, cream, white, etc from 1956, 1959 or 1960) or Hostess brown backs. The 1941 Double Play set is only 75 cards, not 150. I did not include any Kellogg's back variations (I don't want to go crazy like our resident expert). Also didn't include any back variations/tobacco brands for T205s or T206s. First card--how about first packs were purchased in 1965. My mom didn't throw out our cards (and I have two older brothers). I moved from western NY to Virginia, to Boston to Maryland with a lot of shoe boxes. First old cardI remember is the 1956 Jim Konstanty card as a Yankee that he, himself gave When I joined OBC I had almost no cards prior to 1959, but I did have thousands of dups from 1965-1978 in all sports. The dup box is not nearly as full these days, other than the lots I pick up for the one or two cards I might need. OPC hockey and Sunoco football stamps are the easiest way to increase the overall number of sports items. Thanks to all of OBC for feeding my habit, I mean hobby, peter mead -----Original Message----- From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 15, 2017 6:30 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Congrats to Peter Mead Tell us about your first baseball card! Wes Shepard On Nov 15, 2017, at 5:53 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Peter reports that his collection has now exceeded 50,000 single vintage sports cards. Peter therefore becomes the only member of the Lionel Carter Level on the Set Collectors Recognition page, which will be updated shortly. I know it takes years of effort to have that much old cardboard, and Peter has passed on a lot of cardboard to others on his way up the ladder. Way togo. Speech! Speech! Tell us how you did it. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:09:13 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: New Set Added From: Raymond Luurs Ok I am officially old not as old as an old as old as a my friend Zoc who it said he helped God invent infield dirt. My Granddaughter id graduating from National Guards bootcamp in Oklahoma in December. Since we are going to the ceremony by flying into Oklahoma City. My wife had me make a list of thing i like to see along the way....i found to in OKC . One was the MUrrell Building(My wife is not happy about that one as a manager in Human Resources for USDA...she was there shortly after the bomb went off helping people in the building with their death benifits. and while i was growing up I was big fan of Bobby Murcer i get to go to his grave site to add to my list. I was thinkinng since there is only 429 cards of him and i only collect Topps . I will be adding his cards to my Favorite Player list(another wife displeasure). I probaly have most of the Topps. but I need the rest So to the OBC Santa's and everyone else who thinks my list is hard to hit I just gave an extra 429 cards plu.s the ones I need on my llist. Thanks for looking. and the third thing i will see if president Bush'es relatives will or have returned him when I will get to see Geronimo's gravesite with him in there. ================= To: Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:59:26 -0600 Subject: and add Mac Wubben From: "George Vrechek" Add MAC WUBBEN to the group of now two in the Lionel Carter Set Recognition Level. Perhaps Mac was lying in the weeds until he had some company beyond 50,000 cards. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:16:36 -0500 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] and add Mac Wubben From: ShoelessWes Heck ya! Great job guys! Wes Shepard > On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:59 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Add MAC WUBBEN to the group of now two in the Lionel Carter Set Recognition Level. Perhaps Mac was lying in the weeds until he had some company beyond 50,000 cards. > George Vrechek ================= Date: 16 Nov 2017 22:07:13 +0000 To: Subject: Life goes on From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 01:44:57 +0000 Subject: 1979 Star Trek question From: Aaron Shirley I have a handful of 1979 Topps Star Trek the Motion Picture cards. They're on normal late-70's Topps stock. Then I have one card which is noticeably different. It's on bright white stock. It has the same copyright stuff on the front but the back has what looks like the common "finished puzzle" picture of the whole cast and the word RAINBO inside an oval. The card is number17 'Return to the Bridge' but that is card number 38 in the regular Topps set. Any ideas what this card is? I included the link to the Topps set from tradingcarddb Thanks for any help! http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewAllSet.cfm/sid/76089/1979-Topps-Star-Trek:-The-Motion-Picture ================= Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:43:23 -0500 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] and add Mac Wubben From: Yahoo Mac you sneaky dog!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 15, 2017, at 22:59, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Add MAC WUBBEN to the group of now two in the Lionel Carter Set Recognition Level. Perhaps Mac was lying in the weeds until he had some company beyond 50,000 cards. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 19:23:13 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Dave Estright's on eBay, check his items out From: Wayne Delia Add this seller user ID to your list of eBay preferred sellers - "davi_estri" - it's Dave Estright. He's got a stock of nicer PSA cards, but is also putting up groups of raw OBC-condition commons, high numbers, semi-stars, and superstars. These lots are "Buy It Now" so it's not like we'll be bidding against each other. He even gives a shout-out to OBC in his lot descriptions, which is very cool. Dave will be setting up at the Valley Forge big show in early December, I will get you the dates of his later shows. It's getting to the point where I'm traveling to the White Plains and Valley Forge shows just to buy from this one dealer, and I'm starting to graduate from the great deals in the bargain boxes up to the albums of much nicer condition cards. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Nov 2017 11:18:12 +0000 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] and add Mac Wubben From: Matthew Glidden Congrats to you both! Time for OBC to create some Lionel Carter pins? On Wed, Nov 15, 2017 at 11:16 PM ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Heck ya! Great job guys! > Wes Shepard > On Nov 15, 2017, at 10:59 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Add MAC WUBBEN to the group of now two in the Lionel Carter Set > Recognition Level. Perhaps Mac was lying in the weeds until he had some > company beyond 50,000 cards. > George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 13:47:13 +0000 Subject: Does anyone else use the USPS Informed Delivery? From: Taylor Schock Just curious if anyone else uses this service from the Post Office. It scans all the envelope items that are processed for the day and sends you an email. So far it's not for packages, but that's coming. I think it's cool to see what's being delivered in the mail while I'm at work and before I get home. I know if I will be sad, such as bills arriving later today, or happy,such as an envelope from Wes to be delivered today (what could it be?). LOL It also allows for you to report if individual items that were scanned did not arrive. ================= Date: 17 Nov 2017 13:48:25 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Nineteenth century cards? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 17 Nov 2017 14:19:30 +0000 To: Subject: MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:20:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: JAY TYSVER 1976- Joe Morgan won. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:19 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust Okay, I don't know the answer to this one, but it intrigues me. I'm reading about Altuve's winning the AL MVP and I'm pretty happy for him. When was the last MVP Altuve's height--5'6"--or shorter? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 14:21:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: JAY TYSVER Also Phil Rizzuto won in 1950. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:19 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust Okay, I don't know the answer to this one, but it intrigues me. I'm reading about Altuve's winning the AL MVP and I'm pretty happy for him. When was the last MVP Altuve's height--5'6"--or shorter? ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:25:53 -0500 To: Mike Rumley-Wells Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: Bob Donaldson Dustin Pedroia? Nellie Fox? On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Okay, I don't know the answer to this one, but it intrigues me. I'm > reading about Altuve's winning the AL MVP and I'm pretty happy for him. > When was the last MVP Altuve's height--5'6"--or shorter? ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:28:16 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: Joel Freedman dustin pedroia? On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Dustin Pedroia? > Nellie Fox? > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Okay, I don't know the answer to this one, but it intrigues me. I'm >> reading about Altuve's winning the AL MVP and I'm pretty happy for him. >> When was the last MVP Altuve's height--5'6"--or shorter? ================= Date: 17 Nov 2017 14:35:06 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= To: "'Joel Freedman'" , Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 09:44:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: "Matt Yudt" Jimmy Rollins is listed as 5=E2=997=E2=9D. We all know these guys add a couple too=E2=A6 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:28 AM To: Bob Donaldson Cc: Mike Rumley-Wells ; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust dustin pedroia? On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Dustin Pedroia? Nellie Fox? On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:19 AM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Okay, I don't know the answer to this one, but it intrigues me. I'm reading about Altuve's winning the AL MVP and I'm pretty happy for him. When was the last MVP Altuve's height--5'6"--or shorter? ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:14:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] this week in thanks... From: Aaron Shirley He even had dupes! ================= To: Shawn Smart , Taylor Schock Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 16:21:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Re: this week in thanks... From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: Aaron Shirley Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:11:09 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Re: this week in thanks... From: Taylor Schock >>> does anyone collect vintage calendars? Yes and no. I have 2 (I think) but it depends on the subject matter. Anything with something by bigger pinup artists (Moran, Elvgren, et al, though I am NOT a Vargas person) will get my attention (if the price is right). Anything baseball, but good luck with that. And the past few years I've been onthe lookout for 'nudie' type calendars. Not 'exposed' nudes, but the kind that had the nude picture behind an acetate overlay (which may have contained a dress, bikini, etc) which you had to lift up to see the nude. These were quite often found in garages in the '50s and '60s, and are all but impossible to find now. Not sure if any of you 'kids' have any idea what I'm talking about. LOL From: Aaron Shirley Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:21 AM To: Shawn Smart; Taylor Schock Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Re: this week in thanks... Looked a little fuzzy so I checked online - and that is the correct date orientation for a March 1911 calendar. Side note: does anyone collect vintage calendars? Does anyone even know someone who does? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 17, 2017, at 9:51 AM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Thanks] > Wow good observation on the calendar! From: Taylor Schock > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 10:16 AM To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com; Shawn Smart Subject: Re: this week in thanks... Circa 1910... but at least 1911 if not 1912. I did see a couple Mattys a McGraw and a Meyers that jumped out at me. If the calendar is to be believed, and turned over to it's 'current' month,it's March 1911. From: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of ShawnSmart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Thanks] Subject: [OBC-Thanks] this week in thanks... This one is a gem....look at all those tobacco cards! This is someone's dorm room circa 1910 according to the credit. Get identifying! JIMI THAYER - sends a very pretty 54 Bowman off the waiver wire! ED HUTCHINSON - sends 2 57's and 2 69's that he offered up! GREG HENTHORN - kills a modern set! Thanks OBC! ================= To: Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 15:25:17 -0500 Subject: Place Holder card From: "Mark Holland" I was checking my want list to ensure that it is accurate before my next show. While going through the binders I found several holes for cards that were never issued. Have any of the artistic members of group created a place holder card to put in place of the missing cards or does everybody stick a yellow "sticky" in the slot saying not issued? It's nice to be retired and have time to contemplate such a dilemma. Mark Holland Vintage List This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ================= Date: 17 Nov 2017 21:59:06 +0000 To: Subject: 11/17 Waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 20:08:00 -0500 Subject: Cool set added - Fro Joy From: "Matt Yudt" I love TCMA cards - have around 1600 of them spanning at least 34 sets, all major leagues from 72-80, including a couple reprints of pre-war sets/cards. So I saw this TCMA reprint set of the 1928 Fro Joy Babe Ruth set on ebay I couldn't resist - 6 cards for less than $1.5 each delivered. I was looking up the actual original set and see that it is one of those 'warning' sets that is often reprinted, and sometimes they wont even grade them. Some of the reprint sets do not indicate that it is a reprint - unlike the one I have which says 'TCMA reprint'. Which is why I love it. Does anyone have authentic Fro Joys? Or other experience with them? ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 20:33:48 -0500 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cool set added - Fro Joy From: Anson Whaley Hi Matt - that's great. Congrats on the purchase. I have one authentic Fro Joy - it is a BVG 3.5 and is the card featuring his grip. You are correct about the grading thing - SGC and PSA no longer grade them. Beckett is the only one of the three major grading companies that still grades them, so that's why you see a lot of BVGs out there. They actually created a set of Gene Tunney cards the year before the Ruths. Here's my page on my site about them and, interestingly enough, I just wrote an article on them for Sports Collectors Daily that will probably be out in the next few days. https://prewarcards.com/2016/10/01/f52-fro-joy-babe-ruth-gene-tunney-1927-1928-set-and-checklist-premium-baseball/ They seem to be gaining a little bit of steam in the past ten years or so. If you look up old auctions, prices are generally pretty low compared to what they are today. I think the low-graded ones are about the same but the mid-graded cards seem to be significantly higher. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 8:08 PM, 'Matt Yudt' mryudt@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I love TCMA cards =E2=93 have around 1600 of them spanning at least 34sets, > all major leagues from 72-80, including a couple reprints of pre-war > sets/cards. So I saw this TCMA reprint set of the 1928 Fro Joy Babe Ruth > set on ebay I couldn=E2=99t resist =E2=93 6 cards for less than $1.5 each delivered. > I was looking up the actual original set and see that it is one of those > =E2warning=E2=99 sets that is often reprinted, and sometimes they wont even grade > them. Some of the reprint sets do not indicate that it is a reprint =E2=93 > unlike the one I have which says =E2TCMA reprint=E2=99. Which is why I love it. > Does anyone have authentic Fro Joys? Or other experience with them? > Cheers, > Matt ================= To: "'Wayne Delia'" , Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 20:45:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dave Estright's on eBay, check his items out From: "Sal Domino" Speaking of which, is anyone going to White Plains Thanksgiving weekend? Dave are you going to be there? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:23 PM To: OBC Ramblings; dave.estright Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dave Estright's on eBay, check his items out Add this seller user ID to your list of eBay preferred sellers - "davi_estri" - it's Dave Estright. He's got a stock of nicer PSA cards, but is also putting up groups of raw OBC-condition commons, high numbers, semi-stars, and superstars. These lots are "Buy It Now" so it's not like we'll be biddingagainst each other. He even gives a shout-out to OBC in his lot descriptions, which is very cool. Dave will be setting up at the Valley Forge big show in early December, I will get you the dates of his later shows. It's getting to the point where I'm traveling to the White Plains and Valley Forge shows just to buy from this one dealer, and I'm starting to graduate from the great deals in the bargain boxes up to the albums of much nicer conditioncards. ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 17:52:41 -0800 To: mikerw7@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: wite3 ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:18:28 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: COMC From: JDahms ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:31:38 -0500 To: JDahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Anson Whaley Not to dominate all of the discussions here but I happen to be at the computer watching some college wrestling. I got nothing but time on my I love COMC. The biggest downside to me is that a lot of the pre-war stuff is overpriced - some even ridiculously so. But I often find some good deals there and I probably order about $100 worth of cards there every few months. Yes, you do need to load your account with Paypal or some other source. But it shows up immediately and is mostly a quick process. You can also get a refund back for an unused portion. The shipping is one of the best things about it. You can order a bunch of cards and get them shipped for a flat fee of $3.99. You just request a shipment whenever you're ready. It might go up for a ton of cards but all of my orders are always within that flat fee. Sometimes I'll pay a few dollars more to have them expedited since the $3.99 shipping can take a little while sometimes. But I'm always impressed with their shipping. They have an option to buy top loaders for your cards to be shipped but I never do and they often include several of them anyway. Cards are always well-protected and we'll shipped. The only other thing I'd mention is that most sellers accept offers so always check to see how low you can go. These usually range from like 10% off up to as much as 40% or so off. Don't worry about low-balling because an offer too low doesn't go to the seller and is automatically rejected. The great thing about it is that COMC tells you the lowest amount they'll accept for any rejected offers, so always go really low. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:18 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets > rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it > really works. > Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of > How does there shipping work? > Any other tidbits > Thanks > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: "'JDahms'" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:34:37 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: "Sal Domino" Yep. You purchase store credit. Make sure you keep $3.99 aside for shipping. I have left stuff that I bought for a couple months until I got a nice size order for the same shipping charge. One big thing to do. When you see a card you like, hit =E2=9Cmake offer=E2=9D. Pick a number under 50% ofthe asking price. It will then show you the minimum you can shoot for to get that card. Some will accept the offer, some will reject it and some willcounter offer you. But ALWAYS make an offer. More times than not, I have gotten a card for less than the listed price. I have about 40 cards in my till as we speak. Looking for a couple more then I=E2=99ll get them shipped. I have a few favorite sellers that have been good to get cards from. Then again, there is JoelShitShow (purposely spelled that way, other guys can tell you about him). When you see a card from that asshat, if you make an offer, the price of the card mysteriously jumps 500%. On this recent excursion,I found another dirtbag who did the same thing. Overall, a good experience. If you know what you are looking for and price, you can do well. Some guys (Dean=E2=99s Cards) way overprice their stock. And COMC has great customer service, most of their guys are pretty cool to deal with, if needed. One more thing, if you have money left over, and it=E2=99s less than 30 days, you can have it refunded it to you or you can just keep it there until the next order. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: "'Obc Ranblings'" Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:36:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: "Sal Domino" LOL I was watching the Knicks and I think I just said the same thing Anson did! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 9:32 PM To: JDahms Cc: Obc Ranblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Not to dominate all of the discussions here but I happen to be at the computer watching some college wrestling. I got nothing but time on my hands. I love COMC. The biggest downside to me is that a lot of the pre-war stuff is overpriced - some even ridiculously so. But I often find some good dealsthere and I probably order about $100 worth of cards there every few months. Yes, you do need to load your account with Paypal or some other source. Butit shows up immediately and is mostly a quick process. You can also get a refund back for an unused portion. The shipping is one of the best things about it. You can order a bunch of cards and get them shipped for a flat fee of $3.99. You just request a shipment whenever you're ready. It might go up for a ton of cards but all of my orders are always within that flat fee. Sometimes I'll pay a few dollars more to have them expedited since the $3.99 shipping can take a little while sometimes. But I'm always impressed with their shipping. They have an option to buy top loaders for your cards to be shipped but I never do and they often include several of them anyway. Cards are always well-protected and we'll The only other thing I'd mention is that most sellers accept offers so always check to see how low you can go. These usually range from like 10% off up to as much as 40% or so off. Don't worry about low-balling because an offer too low doesn't go to the seller and is automatically rejected. The great thing about it is that COMC tells you the lowest amount they'll accept for any rejected offers, so always go really low. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:18 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:42:05 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Anson Whaley Haha, no worries. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:36 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > LOL I was watching the Knicks and I think I just said the same thing Anson > did! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Friday, November 17, 2017 9:32 PM > *To:* JDahms > *Cc:* Obc Ranblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC > Not to dominate all of the discussions here but I happen to be at the > computer watching some college wrestling. I got nothing but time on my > hands. > I love COMC. The biggest downside to me is that a lot of the pre-war stuff > is overpriced - some even ridiculously so. But I often find some good deals > there and I probably order about $100 worth of cards there every few months. > Yes, you do need to load your account with Paypal or some other source. > But it shows up immediately and is mostly a quick process. You can also get > a refund back for an unused portion. > The shipping is one of the best things about it. You can order a bunch of > cards and get them shipped for a flat fee of $3.99. You just request a > shipment whenever you're ready. It might go up for a ton of cards but all > of my orders are always within that flat fee. Sometimes I'll pay a few > dollars more to have them expedited since the $3.99 shipping can take a > little while sometimes. But I'm always impressed with their shipping. They > have an option to buy top loaders for your cards to be shipped but I never > do and they often include several of them anyway. Cards are always > well-protected and we'll shipped. > The only other thing I'd mention is that most sellers accept offers so > always check to see how low you can go. These usually range from like 10% > off up to as much as 40% or so off. Don't worry about low-balling because > an offer too low doesn't go to the seller and is automatically rejected. > The great thing about it is that COMC tells you the lowest amount they'll > accept for any rejected offers, so always go really low. > Anson > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:18 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets > rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it > really works. > Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of > How does there shipping work? > Any other tidbits > Thanks > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: Anson Whaley Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 02:50:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:52:40 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dave Estright's on eBay, check his items out From: Doug I am planning to go to the Moeller High School show the day after Thanksgiving in Cincinnati, which is where I first ran into Dave last year, and hoping he is there again this time! Who else is going to be at Moeller? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2017, at 8:45 PM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Speaking of which, is anyone going to White Plains Thanksgiving weekend? Dave are you going to be there? > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:23 PM > To: OBC Ramblings; dave.estright > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dave Estright's on eBay, check his items out > Add this seller user ID to your list of eBay preferred sellers - "davi_estri" - it's Dave Estright. He's got a stock of nicer PSA cards, but is alsoputting up groups of raw OBC-condition commons, high numbers, semi-stars, and superstars. These lots are "Buy It Now" so it's not like we'll be bidding against each other. He even gives a shout-out to OBC in his lot descriptions, which is very cool. Dave will be setting up at the Valley Forge big show in early December, I will get you the dates of his later shows. It's getting to the point where I'm traveling to the White Plains and Valley Forgeshows just to buy from this one dealer, and I'm starting to graduate from the great deals in the bargain boxes up to the albums of much nicer condition > Best, > WMD ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:53:20 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Ken M I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part is they show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleys that Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PMTo: Obc Ranblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really works. Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits  Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S® 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 21:54:25 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Anson Whaley Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The > drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part is > they show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the > cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about > paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last > time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton > Bradleys that Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll > pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I > don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > *From: *JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com <+jd3681@yahoo.com> [OBC-Ramblings] > *Date: *Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM > *To: *Obc Ranblings; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*[OBC-Ramblings] COMC > I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets > rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it > really works. > Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of > How does there shipping work? > Any other tidbits > Thanks > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 03:00:20 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Namesake Card From: Mike Mackie Bob Bannon's recent acquisition of a 19th Century Bannon card motivated me to take a look for this card - a 1924 V128 Paulin Canadian Hockey card of Dub Mackie (photo attached). Found a seller on Ebay with a Buy It Now or make best offer. So I lowballed it a bit ($15 including shipping if you're interested) and seller accepted. Card arrived today. It's exciting to have any card of a "Mackie". Mike Mackie ================= To: Anson Whaley , Ken M Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 22:24:37 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: mark zentkovich You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine shipcosts Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part isthey show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleysthat Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't wantsomeone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 20:32:28 -0800 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Rick I have always had to send them money first but I offer on all cards. That must be the difference if you pay asking price you don't have to preload butI know for certain if you want to make an offer you have to have money in your account first. Most sellers will take less so I think it's worth putting in offers. If a seller doesn't accept offers it will say after you offer"this seller doesn't accept offers". I offer .01 for every card no matter what the cost of the card is then it will tell you what the minimum offer is for the card then you can decide if that's a price you want to offer. Most sellers will accept the minimum offer if you offer it. You can only offeron cards up to the amount you have in their bank meaning if you put $20 inthe account you can offer $1 on 20 cards or $5 on 4 cards etc. the amount you offer is frozen in your account in case the offer is accepted then the money is taken out of your account. You can always cancel offers if you find other cards you want instead as long as you do it before the seller responds. If you need more info throw out your questions. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Nov 17, 2017, at 6:54 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. > Anson >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best partis they show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleys that Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> http://kenmorganti.weebly.com >> ------ Original message------ >> From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM >> To: Obc Ranblings; >> Cc: >> Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC >> I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter setsrather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really >> Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of >> How does there shipping work? >> Any other tidbits >> Thanks >> JD >> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Fri, 17 Nov 2017 23:56:52 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: When this happens... From: Andy Cook You buy a card on eBay without first checking your wantlist cause you=E2=99re sure you need it...and when it arrives you realize, you didn=E2=99t. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 04:59:57 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 05:54:09 +0000 To: Subject: Pre-War Postcard Waivers From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 06:23:41 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Pre-War Postcard Waivers From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 06:24:31 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Pre-War Postcard Waivers From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 02:03:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] From: "Sal Domino" Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You candrop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=E2=99ll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to get the cards). Once you purchase the card, it=E2=99s yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember,you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=E2=99ll shop for you on COMC :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM To: Anson Whaley; Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine shipcosts Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part isthey show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleysthat Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't wantsomeone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 06:38:58 -0500 To: mikerw7@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: chris tripler Having stood next to Dustin Pedroia, I can assure you he is not 5'9". Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > My gut response was Scooter Rizzuto. > Suggestions I've heard have been Rizzuto, Joe Morgan, Bobby Shantz, Dustin Pedroia, Nellie Fox, and Jimmy Rollins. And I add Yogi Berra > I'm going by Baseball Reference dot Com here: > 2008 AL MVP Dustin Pedroia--5'9" > 2007 NL MVP Jimmy Rollins--5'7" > 1976 NL MVP Joe Morgan--5'7" > 1959 AL MVP Nellie Fox--5'10" > 1954 & 1955 AL MVP Yogi Berra--5'7" > 1952 AL MVP Bobby Shantz--5'6" > 1950 AL MVP Phil "Scooter" Rizzuto--5'6" > I think (and have experienced) short guys have an inch or two added to their height on programs but never an inch taken away. Therefore it's possible all these guys were 5'6" or under, but I'm going with the "official" listings answer of > Bobby Shantz, 1952 MVP > unless someone knows for certain that one of the above guys who won it after '52 was actually 5'6" or below. ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:21:30 -0600 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MVP Trivia for the Brain Trust From: Mike Rumley-Wells That's the kind of evidence I'm looking for. How tall are you, Trip? On Saturday, November 18, 2017, chris tripler wrote: > Having stood next to Dustin Pedroia, I can assure you he is not 5'9". > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 17, 2017, at 11:59 PM, mikerw7@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > > > wrote: > My gut response was Scooter Rizzuto. > Suggestions I've heard have been Rizzuto, Joe Morgan, Bobby Shantz, Dustin > Pedroia, Nellie Fox, and Jimmy Rollins. And I add Yogi Berra > I'm going by Baseball Reference dot Com here: > 2008 AL MVP Dustin Pedroia--5'9" > 2007 NL MVP Jimmy Rollins--5'7" > 1976 NL MVP Joe Morgan--5'7" > 1959 AL MVP Nellie Fox--5'10" > 1954 & 1955 AL MVP Yogi Berra--5'7" > 1952 AL MVP Bobby Shantz--5'6" > 1950 AL MVP Phil "Scooter" Rizzuto--5'6" > I think (and have experienced) short guys have an inch or two added to > their height on programs but never an inch taken away. Therefore it's > possible all these guys were 5'6" or under, but I'm going with the > "official" listings answer of > *Bobby Shantz, 1952 MVP* > unless someone knows for *certain* that one of the above guys who won it > after '52 was actually 5'6" or below. ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 07:30:33 -0800 To: "mountaineer1999@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Rick That doesn't matter shipping is $3.99 for one dealer or ten different. The cards are in one location (except deans) what ever you buy they put in your pile until you tell them to ship. As Sal said you can buy five cards now do nothing next month buy five more etc. they sit there until you click ship then it cost you $3.99. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > How will the shipping work if you make offers to several different dealers? Is it still $3.99? I am afraid to send offers as I don't know what will happen to shipping costs. > Donnie > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:03 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You can drop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=E2=99llstart with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to get the cards). Once you purchase the card, it=E2=99s yours whetheryou ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember, you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=E2=99ll shop for you on COMC :-D > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM > To: Anson Whaley; Ken M > Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] > [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] > You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. > You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine ship costs later > Mark Z > Sent from Mail for Windows 10 > From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM > To: Ken M > Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC > Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. > Anson > On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part is they show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of thecards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleys that Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony upthe shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM > To: Obc Ranblings; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC > I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really > Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of > How does there shipping work? > Any other tidbits > Thanks > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Sal Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:40:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: richard dingman You can't get all your unused funds returned, I think they keep 25% or so, so best to not deposit more than you think you will eventually use. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 2:03 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You candrop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=92ll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to getthe cards). Once you purchase the card, it=92s yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember, you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=92ll shop for you on COMC :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google Sites CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM To: Anson Whaley; Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine shipcosts Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part isthey show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleysthat Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't wantsomeone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: "'richard dingman'" , Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 12:59:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: "Sal Domino" That's only if you have the credit in there more than 30 days. If it's less, you get all your remaining money back. I tend to plan my purchases out so I only have a few cents left in my bank. https://www.comc.com/FAQ Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: richard dingman [mailto:brightair@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 12:41 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC You can't get all your unused funds returned, I think they keep 25% or so, so best to not deposit more than you think you will eventually use. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 2:03 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You can drop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I'll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to get the cards). Once you purchase the card, it's yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember, you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I'll shop for you on COMC :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM To: Anson Whaley; Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine ship costs later Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part is they show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleys that Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really works. Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY SR 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 10:33:16 -0800 To: "mountaineer1999@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: Rick Maybe Sal knows more about this than me cause I've never left the cards there more than a month but Richard said at some point they charge you .25 extra per card. I've never had that happen to me so maybe after xxx amount of time if you don't ask to ship they charge you for sitting there too long? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Thanks for the feedback on this. I deposited 25 to give it a try > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > That doesn't matter shipping is $3.99 for one dealer or ten different. The cards are in one location (except deans) what ever you buy they put in your pile until you tell them to ship. As Sal said you can buy five cards now do nothing next month buy five more etc. they sit there until you click ship then it cost you $3.99. > Sent from my iPad >> On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> How will the shipping work if you make offers to several different dealers? Is it still $3.99? I am afraid to send offers as I don't know what willhappen to shipping costs. >> Donnie >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:03 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> wrote: >> Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You can drop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=E2=99ll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to get the cards). Once you purchase the card, it=E2=99s yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember, you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=E2=99ll shop for you on COMC :-D >> Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM >> To: Anson Whaley; Ken M >> Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] >> [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] >> You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. >> You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine ship costs later >> Mark Z >> Sent from Mail for Windows 10 >> From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM >> To: Ken M >> Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC >> Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. >> Anson >> On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best partis they show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleys that Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> http://kenmorganti.weebly.com >> ------ Original message------ >> From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM >> To: Obc Ranblings; >> Cc: >> Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC >> I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter setsrather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really >> Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of >> How does there shipping work? >> Any other tidbits >> Thanks >> JD >> Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 14:07:27 -0500 To: miglasser@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] American Greed - Mastro Auctions From: David Luciano Hi Mike, I saw that special you spoke about. My wife flipped, said we knew that guy. In the late 80=92s I met him. He had a small kiosk in a mall in Chicago. My wife was a Ford model then and I would fly up and take a ball game in with her. While she was working I always stopped by his kiosk. The prices were nothing like now but later I did sell some stuff through him. He was at Leslie Hindemen and Southeby=92s. I was also a big game used bat collector back then and did really well with them. I remember bats at Southebys and cards and bobble heads at Hindman. Thank goodness I never worked with him later when he got on his own. Buyer / seller beware Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/dluciano.htm On Nov 15, 2017, at 1:26 PM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > In one of my late night TV flipping, I ran across an episode of American Greed that dealt with Don Mastro of Mastro Auctions who made a living defrauding collectors. It was a fascinating program and I'm dumbfounded how someone could be so dishonest. > https://www.cnbc.com/video/2017/08/16/a-once-renowned-auction-house-defrauds-memorabilia-collectors.html > I don't know if anyone in the group brought this up but I'd suggest that everyone watch it just to be a little wiser. > Has anyone in OBC ever been burned by him? > Mike Glasser ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 19:39:54 +0000 To: Subject: Anyone collect the 67 topps pin ups (or want to?) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 20:00:49 +0000 To: Subject: Action card feedback--because what else do you have to do? From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 14:10:36 -0600 To: Rick , "mountaineer1999@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: mzentko ================= To: "mountaineer1999@yahoo.com" , Rick Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:38:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: richard dingman The $0.25 handling fee may be baked into the set price, I can't recall now,but you don't have to pay it if yoou are flipping the card. But of you are selling cards and they stay there more than 1 month they charge a monthlyfee of a penny per card. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:33 PM To: mountaineer1999@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Maybe Sal knows more about this than me cause I've never left the cards there more than a month but Richard said at some point they charge you .25 extra per card. I've never had that happen to me so maybe after xxx amount of time if you don't ask to ship they charge you for sitting there too long? Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Thanks for the feedback on this. I deposited 25 to give it a try Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com That doesn't matter shipping is $3.99 for one dealer or ten different. The cards are in one location (except deans) what ever you buy they put in your pile until you tell them to ship. As Sal said you can buy five cards now do nothing next month buy five more etc. they sit there until you click ship then it cost you $3.99. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > How will the shipping work if you make offers to several different dealers?Is it still $3.99? I am afraid to send offers as I don't know what will happen to shipping costs. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:03 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You candrop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=92ll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to getthe cards). Once you purchase the card, it=92s yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember, you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=92ll shop for you on COMC :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM To: Anson Whaley; Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine shipcosts Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part isthey show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleysthat Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions.. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: 18 Nov 2017 21:25:01 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: bskp1@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 22:34:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: richard dingman Also, they set up at the National and other shows where they give out free boxes and stuff. Plus they have daily drawings where you can win free shipping or actual cash deposited to your account. I assume it's necessary to have $ deposited with them to win $. When I see them at a show I go to their booth and pester them every day and have won some $ and shipping. They are also very helpful and knowledgeable about using their site to best advantage, and letting you know what improvements are in the works. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 4:25 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC I swear by COMC. Have been using them since 2012 and since then have received 26 shipments of cards. The latest arrived today. It consisted of 85 cards purchased since June andall shipped for $3.99. Once or twice year, they have a free shipping promotion. BR, ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 17:36:58 -0500 To: richard dingman , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: JDahms ================= To: "'Rick'" , Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 18:20:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: "Sal Domino" The charges will be if you leave money in your account over 30 days and then ask for a refund. I have left a few bucks in there for months at a time until I started a new purchase. I have left cards that I paid for in there for 2 months + before requesting shipping. Key is, to add a little at a timeto your bank and try to get as close to zero as you can before you requesta shipment so you avoid all the refund stuff. Somehow I always add =E2=9Cjust 10 more bucks=E2=9D lol. J Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:33 PM To: mountaineer1999@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Maybe Sal knows more about this than me cause I've never left the cards there more than a month but Richard said at some point they charge you .25 extra per card. I've never had that happen to me so maybe after xxx amount of time if you don't ask to ship they charge you for sitting there too long? Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Thanks for the feedback on this. I deposited 25 to give it a try Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: That doesn't matter shipping is $3.99 for one dealer or ten different. The cards are in one location (except deans) what ever you buy they put in your pile until you tell them to ship. As Sal said you can buy five cards now do nothing next month buy five more etc. they sit there until you click ship then it cost you $3.99. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: How will the shipping work if you make offers to several different dealers?Is it still $3.99? I am afraid to send offers as I don't know what will happen to shipping costs. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:03 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You candrop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=E2=99ll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to get the cards). Once you purchase the card, it=E2=99s yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember,you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=E2=99ll shop for you on COMC :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM To: Anson Whaley; Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine shipcosts Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part isthey show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleysthat Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions.. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: 'Rick' , "mountaineer1999@yahoo.com" Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:53:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC From: richard dingman The $0.25 per card handling fee is baked into the sell price, I believe. So if a seller lists a card at $1, it will show up as $1.25 to all potential Except if you are flipping the card and have set up your account to avoid that charge and just pass it on to the next buyer. Otherwise, there is no avoiding the $0.25 per card fee for cards your are buying to have shipped to yourself. For a while I was flipping cards and avoided the per card fee, and then I started buying cards for myself again. When it came time to ship them to me, the sh cost was $25.00! I asked why and they said actually sh was just $3 (it was $3 a while ago before they raised it to current $3.99) and the rest was the accumulation of the $0.25 per card fees that I had "postponed" paying, because I had forgotten to re-set my account for buying. So the $0.25 per card is unavoidable, as far as I can tell, and goes towardtheir Regarding their rule to not allow you to withdraw 100% of deposit on moneysleft more than 30 days.... I don't know what would happen if you withdrew100% of your $ after 29 days, and then re-deposited, and repeated that over and over, attempting to always be able to withdraw 100%. I suspect they would forbid that after a while but have not tried it. It would be a hassle anyway since I have enough trouble remembering my keys, wallet, phone ANDpants when I go out. I tend to do what Sal seemingly does, which is to just deposit enough to cover what I am likely to spend in the near future, and never plan to withdraw $, just always expect to spend all my deposit sooner or later. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:20 PM To: 'Rick'; mountaineer1999@yahoo.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC The charges will be if you leave money in your account over 30 days and then ask for a refund. I have left a few bucks in there for months at a time until I started a new purchase. I have left cards that I paid for in there for 2 months + before requesting shipping. Key is, to add a little at a timeto your bank and try to get as close to zero as you can before you requesta shipment so you avoid all the refund stuff. Somehow I always add =93just10 more bucks=94 lol. :) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ OBC Wantlist - Google Sites CHICO 'S BIG LIST--- THIS IS A COMBINATION OF ALL MY WANT LISTS. 1/14/17. Here is what's on here: Batman, Beatles, Captain Scarlet, 52 Bowman, 60 Leaf, 51 Blue Backs ... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 1:33 PM To: mountaineer1999@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Maybe Sal knows more about this than me cause I've never left the cards there more than a month but Richard said at some point they charge you .25 extra per card. I've never had that happen to me so maybe after xxx amount of time if you don't ask to ship they charge you for sitting there too long? Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2017, at 10:17 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Thanks for the feedback on this. I deposited 25 to give it a try Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 10:34 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com That doesn't matter shipping is $3.99 for one dealer or ten different. The cards are in one location (except deans) what ever you buy they put in your pile until you tell them to ship. As Sal said you can buy five cards now do nothing next month buy five more etc. they sit there until you click ship then it cost you $3.99. Sent from my iPad On Nov 18, 2017, at 7:02 AM, Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > How will the shipping work if you make offers to several different dealers?Is it still $3.99? I am afraid to send offers as I don't know what will happen to shipping costs. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 2:03 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com Trust me, you would want to load the account. Go shopping, put stuff in your watch list. You can make notes like how much the lowest offer is. You candrop cash in $10 increments. If I know I am going shopping, I=92ll start with $20 and add to it is as I need (or how long I am willing to wait to getthe cards). Once you purchase the card, it=92s yours whether you ship it now or in 2 months. Like I said, ALWAYS make an offer. Remember, you can always get your unused funds back. Ken, you shop for me at the National, I=92ll shop for you on COMC :-D Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 11:25 PM To: Anson Whaley; Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mark zentkovich included below] You can buy without loading funds, but only if you buy and ship now. You would need to fund an account if you want to hold cards to combine shipcosts Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows From: Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 17, 2017 8:54 PM To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC Thanks, I'm wondering if that's changed. I could have sworn you had to pre-load funds before with Paypal. Sounds like that's incorrect, though. On Fri, Nov 17, 2017 at 9:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have used them a couple times and haven't made a deposit beforehand. The drawback to that is I only buy cards at the listed prices. The best part isthey show images of both sides of the card - very handy when most of the cards I'm looking for are variations on the back (again, see above about paying full price). I haven't put in an order in a couple months, but last time it was for a bunch of Kellogg's variations and a group of Milton Bradleysthat Dean's Cards had listed as the regular Topps versions.. I'll pony up the shipping on just a dozen or two, but usually that's because I don't want someone else snapping the variations out of my cart before I pay. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------ From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Fri, Nov 17, 2017 9:18 PM To: Obc Ranblings; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] COMC I have never used comc. Considering to help with some of my shorter sets rather than ebay. Looked around for a bit tonite and am not sure how it really Do I put money in an account up front for them to draw off of How does there shipping work? Any other tidbits Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 19:18:37 -0500 Subject: Garage Update From: Don Rice

As many of you know, I am "papering" one of my garage walls with license plates. I started with a bunch of older Massachusetts plates from my family, and have been adding whatever I can get my hands on. Thanks to several OBC contributions I am now up to 67 plates, with plenty of room for further growth! I thought I'd post a picture to show my progress (unfortunately, it's a crappy low-light garage picture, but you get the... er... picture).
Don Rice
================= Date: 19 Nov 2017 01:22:55 +0000 To: Subject: Trade for 1957 Mantle From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 20:50:58 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: Autographed football card available From: JDahms ================= Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 23:16:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: sun times report From: Gary Mandell A short one at that. Met up with Nick Pelletier, Ron Perry (very briefly), Mike Mackie, and for the first time, Tom Billings. The usual suspects as far as dealers, although I dealt with Stan's Cards for the first time. Seems to be a real fan to OBC. Most progress was to my Philadelphia football sets. Picked up a couple Post pigskin and 62 green tints. Didn't find any T206s for under $20 nor any Goudeys that I needed. Spent less than $100 for the day, including a $50 Sayers rookie. As usual, I spent most of the time chatting with the guys and many dealer friends like Ron Estes, Uncle Dick, AJ Firestone. Highlight of the day was sharing conversation and beers with the guys afterwards. Nick's wife joined us as well, and I spent most of the time wondering how Nick ended up with such a wonderful woman! Show seemed much less crowded than usual, but we had some major snow (none of it stuck) in the middle of the day that may have contributed to that. Hope everyone has a wonderful and safe holiday week! Gary Mandell ================= Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 10:26:21 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Who said Wauctions were a thing of the past........ From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Happy Thanksgiving OBC--in honor of Guru's generosity and in the OBC spiritwe have ten unique lots to be wauctioned off: Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D #13 (A combination =E2=9CWaiver-Wire=E2=9D and =E2=9CAuction=E2=9D) rules: send me a private email message telling me what lot number/numbers you would like to have. No limit of how many lots you request, but you can only win one lot. I=E2=99ll keep track of who is interested in each lot, and pull one namefrom my beat up and well loved Buffalo Bills hat. Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D ends next Sunday November 26th at 6PM EST, with =E2=9CWauctionWinners=E2=9D The =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D catalog will eventually be published on the OBC Facebook page Lot 1--1941 PlayBall--card #42 and eight-cornered Wallace Moses, Jr. Card has a number of creases in addition to the clipped corners. Moses had six consecutive seasons of batting .300 or better. Lot 2--1950 Royal Dessert #22 Eddie Robinson--actually a half decent card for having been cut from the back of a jello pudding box. Some minor creasing and one clipped corner add some character to the minor ink work on boththe front and back of this gem. Eddie is the last living person who was on a Cleveland Indians World Series winning team. Lot 3--1951 Topps Blue Back #31 Leland Lou Brissie--Brissie pitched with a bulky brace on his left leg after his tibia had been shattered by shrapnel during WW II. This card reflects a bit of shrapnel damage as well with a chunk of the bottom border having separated from the rest of the card. (Take a look at his Exhibit card for a view of the brace). Lot 4--1957 Sohio Indians Al Smith--5x7 image of ex-Negro leaguer and two-time all star. Sohio produced sets for both the Cincinnati Reds and the Indians--with booklets and three card perforated panels as gas station give aways. Frank Robinson and Roger Maris "cards" are the keys to both sets. This card presents nicely with some light toning and some chicken scratch on the Lot 5--1961 Topps All star nose bleeder--#573 Ken Boyer--I think this card went from being carted around in a kid's back pocket to being nailed to hisgarage wall. Major creasing the length of the card and Ken appears to only have one eye from a puncture wound in the cardboard. Lot 6--1962 Salada football--#67 Tom Tracy of the Pittsburgh Steelers a 5'9" 205 lb. halfback. The Salada football set is a little weird including coins of only 11 of the 14 NFL teams and only 3 of the 8 AFL teams. Five of the NFL teams were short-printed including this coin of Tracy. The yellow border has a few chips and the back reflects some minor rust common with this Lot 7--1965 Old London Coin--Bill Mazeroski--Pirate HOFer know for his gameseven winning 9th inning HR against the Yankees in the 1960 World Series. This is a surprisingly difficult 40 coin set. A relatively decent condition coin with the exception of some scratching on the biographical information on the back. Lot 8--1969 Tresler Comets football of Charles King--admit it, how many of you have one of these in your type card set? These second year Cincinnati Bengals cards were available at your local Tresler Comet dealerships--another gas station give away. Believe it or not, this card is ex or better condition. Lot 9--1973 Sugar Daddy Kareem Abdul-Jabber card #25 in the 25 card set. An oddball type card of this Power Memorial High School and UCLA product early in his career with the Milwaukee Bucks. One fair sized crease through the middle of this T206 sized card is the only blemish (well maybe a couple of bumped corners). Lot 10--for you non-sport November enthusiasts--a 1910 T118 Famous Explorercard of Lieut. E.H. Shackleton who in 1907 headed to Antarctic trying to make it to the South Pole. This beauty reflects its 107 year old age with afew rough corners and a few creases, but not a train wreck by any means. Happy Thanksgiving OBC, Peter Mead ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 17:25:43 +0000 Subject: Re: COMC From: Jo Meyer and John Gray My friends, My thinking is to put $50 or $100 in and just let it sit there, chipping away ten to twenty at a time. I don't worry about getting money back, but just wait to spend it in the weeks and months to come. Be happy, John Scott Gray Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 11:05:34 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 52 high on net 54 From: Rick #405 being auctioned on net 54 ends today only at $34 now Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2017 16:55:46 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: three additional lots and a couple of pictures From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net David Luftig has consigned three additional lots to WAuction #13-- Please send any bids to me and lots will be shipped directly from David at the conclusion of the Wauction: Lot 11: 1953 Red Man Tobacco Murry Dickson #22N. Very nice condition although there is no tab.1953 was the second of three consecutive seasons that Murry led the National League in losses. Lot 12: 1909 E79 "27 Scrappers." Rawlins delivering right hand swing." Slight paper loss and staining. A great looking card from a fantastic boxing set. Although this is a star-studded set, with all the great boxers of the day, this card remains a mystery to me. I do not know who "Rawlins" was. Maybe you can solve this mystery. Lot 13: 1901 Ogden's Tabs "Series A" boxer. No. 87. Charlie Mitchell. Creasing in all the right places. The Ogden's Tabs were a multi-subject UK tobacco series. Mitchell was a 5'8" 175lb English heavyweight bruiser who is best know for fighting John L. Sullivan to a 2+ hour draw in the rain. Because boxing was illegal, he was immediately arrested after the fight, held for several days, and fined. A nice looking card. ================= Date: 19 Nov 2017 22:24:58 +0000 To: Subject: Sanella Japanese Catcher From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: 20 Nov 2017 02:45:49 +0000 To: Subject: Confederate Paper Money From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= To: Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 07:56:36 -0500 Subject: RAMBLINGS TEST From: "Mark Holland" I have not received an OBC email on any server in over 24 hours. Went to groups page and verified that I am still subscribed. Is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? Looking for help if it is just me as I miss my OBC mail. The email server is really empty without it. Test Over! Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 09:43:42 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Happy Thanksgiving OBC!!! From: chris tripler May you enjoy the company of family and friends in peace sharing great food! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 18:48:09 -0500 To: Mark Holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RAMBLINGS TEST From: ShoelessWes I got it Wes Shepard > On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:56 AM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Guys, > I have not received an OBC email on any server in over 24 hours. Went togroups page and verified that I am still subscribed. Is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? Looking for help if it is just me as I miss my OBC mail. The email server is really empty without it. > Test Over! > Thanks! > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List ================= Date: 22 Nov 2017 15:48:03 +0000 To: Subject: outgoing From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 23:58:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RAMBLINGS TEST From: richard dingman I got this. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2017 6:48 PM To: Mark Holland Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RAMBLINGS TEST I got it Wes Shepard On Nov 21, 2017, at 7:56 AM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have not received an OBC email on any server in over 24 hours. Went to groups page and verified that I am still subscribed. Is anyone else having this problem or is it just me? Looking for help if it is just me as I miss my OBC mail. The email server is really empty without it. Test Over! Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: 22 Nov 2017 14:04:52 +0000 To: Subject: Thanksgiving Weekened Waiver Wire From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: 22 Nov 2017 23:06:46 +0000 To: Subject: Could we do better? From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: 22 Nov 2017 03:45:58 +0000 To: Subject: 1 Card basketball waiver tonight From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 21 Nov 2017 02:57:26 +0000 To: Subject: Football podcast From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: 21 Nov 2017 21:06:21 +0000 To: Subject: Too Good to be True? From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2017 21:42:48 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Provoking Nosebleeds From: ShoelessWes Tried the wantlist server, but i didnt see it get through. So i'll try here. Wes Shepard Begin forwarded message: > From: ShoelessWes > Date: November 20, 2017 at 8:15:44 PM EST > To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Provoking Nosebleeds > Everybody needs high numbers. I have a decent stack. Yes, i'm pullin punches, so feel free to hit me. If not, i'll just keep swingin at your lists! > ***** If you NEED LESS than 15 high numbers, PLEASE wait until sunrise torespond***** > This gives me better chance to move cardboard. > 1968-1972 Topps baseball nosebleeders. Please indicate the year(s) needed. If you respond before sunrise with a short list, you WILL BE PENALIZED byreceiving a late 70's starter set, and WILL be bombarded by OBC to list it, despite however many you've already completed. > Wes Shepard ================= Date: 22 Nov 2017 06:33:11 +0000 To: Subject: Test ramble From: cardclctor@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 19:59:16 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Ken M   We can do better. There are probably some options with our new web hosting service that we can tap into. The good part about Yahoogroups is that it's free and you get the emails dropped in your lap. The bad news is it's free and you get what you pay for. Fortunately, the outage we had has been the exception rather than the rule for the nearly 20 years we've used them. (We were on differently named servers for a couple years before we started on these in 2001.)  Personally, I'd rather not go to a forum style like Net54. I do 99% of my internet via my phone, so having messages delivered to me in readable format works a lot better than searching them out on a website via a 5 inch screen. Of course, I'll go wherever the group goes. Ken M - you guys aren't trying to get rid of me, are you? :-) Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ================= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 20:00:57 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Test ramble From: Ken M I should have noted the time on this when I sent it... two days ago. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Nov 23, 2017 7:56 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Test ramble This is a test of the non-emergency rambling system. It is only a test. If this had been an actual ramble, the subject line would be followed by lengthy babbling about nothing in particular or even interesting. This concludes our test. We now return you to your cardboard trading. TAYL,Ken M------------------------------------Posted by: cardclctor@aol.com------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html------------------------------------Y ================= Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 06:48:36 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Test From: ShoelessWes Wes Shepard ================= Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 01:06:27 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Chicago Show Update From: Ron Perry Hi OBC, Excellent show at the Rosemont Friday evening and Saturday. Saw Gary Mandell and Tom Billing Saturday. Missed Nick Pelletier and Mike Mackie. 1. Finished 51 Bowman Football at Uncle Dick's table with Jug Girard the last 2. Down to the last two (44 and 86) from 62 Fleer Football after picking upseveral also from Uncle Dick. One of the cards acquired was #16 Billy Shawwhich had an asking price of $10. I asked Uncle Dick if $10 was correct and he said in high grade this card brings $300. I said no fooling. A check of ebay seems to agree with Uncle Dick with one at $75 anda vg listed at over $100. Appreciate any insight regarding this card. I did check Billy Shaw's background and found that he is the only member of the NFL Hall of Fame who never played in the NFL. He started his pro career in the AFL and completed the career before the merger. 3. Picked up the Exhibit card of Bill "Moose Skowron" the one in the White Sox uniform. This leaves Mantle Portrait, Richardson, Kranepool, PeteWard and four team cards. 4. Acquired Higbe, Keltner,Kuhe l and Medwick from the 39-46 Salutation Exhibits. These are tougher, but not nearly impossible like some from this 5. Acquired ten Goudeys and Diamond Stars, all commons and minor stars. 6. Finally, picked up some Blue Backs, 49 Leaf Baseball, 60's Hockey Stars,and Hostess. Down to four or fewer on three of the Hostess sets. ================= To: OBC ramblings Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 20:50:31 -0600 Subject: no mail From: Yaz I have not received any email from the OBC servers since 9:03 PM 11/19. I use a gmail address and my other gmail address is receiving. Any ideas? Greg (Yaz) ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2017 17:45:32 +0000 Subject: 1975 TOPPS SETS FOR SALE SOON! From: Aaron Shirley Hey guys, don't blow all your savings yet on all those Black Friday sales! Pretty soon I will be bringing NINE 1975 Topps sets out for purchase. This project started with Kent Goto, then got sent home with me after the National. It's taken a while to get all the cards out of the binders, compared, organized, and built into individual sets. In fact, last night my wife and two daughters were pulling cards out of sheets and stacking them up forDaddy to compare and find the best 'one-through-nine' of each card. We putin a total of 10-12 'man-hours' working on it, just last night! More details coming in the next few days, including plenty of pics. But I wanted to start hyping this so everyone's aware, and you can start thinking about buying your very own set! Make sure you're subscribed to the DEALER SCUM server! And definitely join our FACEBOOK GROUP for more chances to see it all. https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldbaseballcards/ ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 02:03:42 +0000 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] no mail From: Matthew Glidden Hi Yaz, happy to see your message in part because that means the Yahoo servers are working again! They've been down for awhile and hopefully are back for the foreseeable future. Should this kind of thing happen again, you can check for messages in the main Net54baseball.com forum or OBC's Facebook group. We posted unofficial updates there while we went through this Yahoo outage. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:45 PM Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have not received any email from the OBC servers since 9:03 PM 11/19. > I use a gmail address and my other gmail address is receiving. Any ideas? > Greg (Yaz) ================= Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:56:51 -0500 To: Ron Perry Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show Update From: "Thomas W. Billing" I enjoyed the show and loved hooking up with all of these OBCers mentioned.I hope to keep coming to this show Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Nov 20, 2017, at 8:06 PM, Ron Perry obcron@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi OBC, > Excellent show at the Rosemont Friday evening and Saturday. Saw Gary Mandell and Tom Billing Saturday. Missed Nick Pelletier and Mike Mackie. > Highlights: > 1. Finished 51 Bowman Football at Uncle Dick's table with Jug Girard the last > 2. Down to the last two (44 and 86) from 62 Fleer Football after picking up several also from Uncle Dick. One of the cards acquired was #16 Billy Shaw which had an asking price of $10. I asked Uncle Dick if $10 was correctand he said in high grade this card brings $300. I said no fooling. A check of ebay seems to agree with Uncle Dick with one at $75 and a vg listed at over $100. Appreciate any insight regarding this card. I did check Billy Shaw's background and found that he is the only member of the NFL Hall of Fame who never played in the NFL. He started his pro career in the AFL and completed the career before the merger. > 3. Picked up the Exhibit card of Bill "Moose Skowron" the one in the White Sox uniform. This leaves Mantle Portrait, Richardson, Kranepool, Pete Ward and four team cards. > 4. Acquired Higbe, Keltner,Kuhe l and Medwick from the 39-46 Salutation Exhibits. These are tougher, but not nearly impossible like some from this set. > 5. Acquired ten Goudeys and Diamond Stars, all commons and minor stars. > 6. Finally, picked up some Blue Backs, 49 Leaf Baseball, 60's Hockey Stars, and Hostess. Down to four or fewer on three of the Hostess sets. > Ron ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 03:12:39 +0000 (UTC) To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] no mail From: "Greg (yaz)" Thanks for the reply. I have moved my gmail account for this email to Yahoo Mail because Thunderbird just wouldn't get my mail. Three out of five email addresses are working and two, one Yahoo and one Gmail, (this one) don't. Now as I type this I'm looking over at my other computer screen and see that Thunderbird has just uploaded 46 emails from here??? That of course can't be all that I've missed in that many days but some strange stuff going on here.Greg (yaz) On Thursday, November 23, 2017, 8:03:54 PM CST, Matthew Glidden Hi Yaz, happy to see your message in part because that means the Yahoo servers are working again! They've been down for awhile and hopefully are backfor the foreseeable future. Should this kind of thing happen again, you can check for messages in the main Net54baseball.com forum or OBC's Facebook group. We posted unofficial updates there while we went through this Yahoo outage. On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:45 PM Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have not received any email from the OBC servers since 9:03 PM 11/19. I use a gmail address and my other gmail address is receiving. Any ideas? Greg (Yaz) ================= To: Matthew Glidden Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2017 21:24:23 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] no mail From: Yaz Well now that I've gotten to read all the posts, I now see the problem wasn't me or Thunderbird. Probably explains the low amount of mail when I finally did get new mail in my inbox. Greg (yaz) On 11/23/2017 8:03 PM, Matthew Glidden wrote: > Hi Yaz, happy to see your message in part because that means the Yahoo > servers are working again! They've been down for awhile and hopefully > are back for the foreseeable future. > Should this kind of thing happen again, you can check for messages in > the main Net54baseball.com forum or OBC's Facebook group. We posted > unofficial updates there while we went through this Yahoo outage. > Spike > On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 8:45 PM Yaz yazobc@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: > I have not received any email from the OBC servers since 9:03 PM > 11/19. > I use a gmail address and my other gmail address is receiving. Any > ideas? > Greg (Yaz) ================= Date: 21 Nov 2017 17:17:01 +0000 To: Subject: sending From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 24 Nov 2017 04:33:38 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Too Good to be True? From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:20:53 -0500 To: mikerw7@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Jake Brewer I think this is the perfect time to switch to a forums-based site format (like Blowout or Net54 for those of you familiar with them). You can still split up all the sections in their own forums: Thanks, Ramblings, Dealer Scum, UV. Along with wantlists, directory, etc. Also we could add some new ones where OBCers could share pictures/videos oftheir collections and pickups easier. I would love to =E2=9Clook through=E2=9D some of the incredible collections I know OBC must have from around the country! It would keep all of our cell phones from going off constantly from emails;but you could still check everything from your phone via an app called taptatalk. It works well for navigating blowout or Net54 if you so choose fromyour I know I=E2=99m in the minority on this most likely (and the now second youngest in OBC I believe). If the goal of the group is to continue to exist, and grow/gain more new people that enjoy swapping cards in OBC fashion for the joy of it- this would help! OBC is only going to get younger (hopefully, so that it continues to exist for a long time!) and simply put a forums-based site would be more popular, more convenient, have more functions, and be more user friendly in my opinion. That=E2=99s my two cents on it. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:06 PM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Is Yahoo groups really our best option or would we do better to switch? > Because they really seem to kind of...what's the word...? > Suck. ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 10:26:23 -0500 To: Mike Rumley-Wells Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Anson Whaley Have we ever explored Google Groups at all? I use it for various other organizations I'm a part of and it works much the same way as Yahoo without all of the spam issues and technical glitches, and is also entirely free. Just throwing that one out there - On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 6:06 PM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Is Yahoo groups really our best option or would we do better to switch? > Because they really seem to kind of...what's the word...? > Suck. ================= To: "'Jake Brewer'" , Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 11:26:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: "Bob Donaldson" I think either a forums based site or Google Groups would be a considerableimprovement. My only concern with the forums based site would be the cost. Both are defiantly worth looking into. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 10:21 AM To: mikerw7@gmail.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? I think this is the perfect time to switch to a forums-based site format (like Blowout or Net54 for those of you familiar with them). You can still split up all the sections in their own forums: Thanks, Ramblings, Dealer Scum, UV. Along with wantlists, directory, etc. Also we could add some new ones where OBCers could share pictures/videos oftheir collections and pickups easier. I would love to =E2=9Clook through=E2=9D some of the incredible collections I know OBC must have from around the country! It would keep all of our cell phones from going off constantly from emails;but you could still check everything from your phone via an app called taptatalk. It works well for navigating blowout or Net54 if you so choose fromyour I know I=E2=99m in the minority on this most likely (and the now second youngest in OBC I believe). If the goal of the group is to continue to exist, and grow/gain more new people that enjoy swapping cards in OBC fashion for the joy of it- this would help! OBC is only going to get younger (hopefully, so that it continues to exist for a long time!) and simply put a forums-based site would be more popular, more convenient, have more functions, and be more user friendly in my opinion. That=E2=99s my two cents on it. -Jake =E2=9CThe Kid=E2=9D Brewer Sent from my iPhone On Nov 22, 2017, at 6:06 PM, mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Is Yahoo groups really our best option or would we do better to switch? Because they really seem to kind of...what's the word...? ================= Date: 24 Nov 2017 18:09:19 +0000 To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 13:35:20 -0500 To: davidluftig@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The tech guys have been working on changing/new forums months before the latest issue with Yahoo Groups. While Jake feels otherwise, most on the AC have indicated obtaining the e-mails is a high priority. They are looking into if our new site HostGator can improve this for us. Posting of pictures, sorting of posts, and possibly even databases for our collections are allbeing considered. It will take a little while longer, but it is being looked Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 1:14 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? It's great to be back online! I very much appreciate all the work the admins do. For me, the number one problem with yahoo is the terrible search functionality. I don't know how much you all suffer with the this but I think having clear and reliable searches would greatly benefit our little group. I'm willing to help in any way possible. I would also love some sort of forum setup but that's secondary to me. Thatsaid, I do think if we could easily post pictures of new pickups or our collection it would help others better understand our collections. Any maybe more hits in the long run. Plus it's always fun to share those things. Hope everyone is doing well, David Luftig ================= Date: 24 Nov 2017 19:20:03 +0000 To: Subject: OBC lunch meeting, Cleveland-style From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 24 Nov 2017 20:54:10 +0000 To: Subject: 3rd round From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 24 Nov 2017 21:04:26 +0000 To: Subject: Thanks-thanks and more thanks! From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 16:11:45 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: joe8941@aol.com Fellow Google guy, second second. It works through who collects what but not the directory... Stupid computers, skynet is coming for us! Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, November 24, 2017 Geno Wagner illini_grad_90 Any chance of getting the Directory Wantlist links to link to Google hostedsites? From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: davidluftig@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 24, 2017 11:35 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? The tech guys have been working on changing/new forums months before the latest issue with Yahoo Groups. While Jake feels otherwise, most on theAC have indicated obtaining the e-mails is a high priority. They arelooking into if our new site HostGator can improve this for us. Posting of pictures, sorting of posts, and possibly even databases for our collections are all being considered. It will take a little while longer,but it is being looked into. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Nov 24, 2017 1:14 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? It's great to be back online! I very much appreciate all the work the admins do. For me, the number one problem with yahoo is the terrible search functionality. I don't know how much you all suffer with the this but I think having clear and reliable searches would greatly benefit our little group. I'm willing to help in any way possible. I would also love some sort of forum setup but that's secondary to me. Thatsaid, I do think if we could easily post pictures of new pickups or our collection it would help others better understand our collections. Any maybe more hits in the long run. Plus it's always fun to share those things. 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From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: 24 Nov 2017 23:24:43 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Thanks-thanks and more thanks! From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 01:10:03 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Thanksgiving leftovers (availables) From: Matthew Glidden Cleaned up my side dishes and some cards as well! FCFS and please include your address for quick turnaround. 1936 S&S Game, directions card 1947-66 Exhibits, Spahn (B cap) 1961 Topps Stamps, Podres, Roebuck (Dodgers) 1962 Topps Stamps, Lee Thomas 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale 1964 Topps Giants, #4, 50 Brooks 1970s Sportscasters, "Lingo" (w/Dodgers) & Bowling ================= Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 01:29:23 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: Thanksgiving leftovers (availables) From: Matthew Glidden Update: S&S card, Brooksie, Sportscasters taken. Still available: 1947-66 Exhibits, Spahn (B cap) 1961 Topps Stamps, Podres, Roebuck (Dodgers) 1962 Topps Stamps, Lee Thomas 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale 1964 Topps Giants, #4 On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:10 PM Matthew Glidden > Cleaned up my side dishes and some cards as well! FCFS and please include > your address for quick turnaround. > 1947-66 Exhibits, Spahn (B cap) > 1961 Topps Stamps, Podres, Roebuck (Dodgers) > 1962 Topps Stamps, Lee Thomas > 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale > 1964 Topps Giants, #4 > Spike ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 20:47:52 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: I find great stuff at shows... offer it here :) From: Sean McGowan Ok, maybe not "great", but I kon someone will want this stuff, and free is a tough price :) So, at the GBSCC show in Reading ma, I was able to pick up, for way cheap, the following... first come, first served.... 1966 NFL Football checklist #2 card #198. This card has a yellow front and green-bordered back. It is checked. 1965 topps dodgers team #126. This card is wrinkled pretty good. 1967 topps Al Kaline #30 1960 topps Gil McGougald #247 1959 Bob Turley AS #570 1953 Bowman B+W #29. there is paper loss about this size of a dime in his bio on the back. Go OBC! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 03:08:51 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: Thanksgiving leftovers (availables) From: Matthew Glidden Stamps and Spahn gone, only two left! 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale 1964 Topps Giants, #4 On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:29 PM Matthew Glidden > Update: S&S card, Brooksie, Sportscasters taken. Still available: > 1947-66 Exhibits, Spahn (B cap) > 1961 Topps Stamps, Podres, Roebuck (Dodgers) > 1962 Topps Stamps, Lee Thomas > 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale > 1964 Topps Giants, #4 > Spike ================= Date: Fri, 24 Nov 2017 20:45:04 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 55 topps doubleheaders From: Rick Couple for sale seems cheap enough I would buy them if I needed them. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=247884 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 15:12:36 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: New Thanksgiving leftovers (availables) From: Matthew Glidden Friday waiver claims sent to: Stamper, Shirley, Sankner, Whaley, Glasser. Update: everything taken but Bob Bailey, so I added some friends to another round of leftovers today: 1964 Topps Giants, #4 1972 Topps #527 (ink on back) 1973 OPC #634 Mathews MGR 1975 Topps #640 Killebrew 1976 Topps #343 Traynor ATG 1977 Topps #70 Bench 1979 Kellogg's #14 Bell 1979 Topps #411 all-time hits (Sisler, Cobb) Helmar bottle cap, Cool Papa Bell Mistakes: 1976 Topps Garvey (miscut), Gaston (blank back) Autographs: 1972 Topps Dave Cash, 1981 Topps Luzinski, 1983 Fleer Garvey FCFS, please include address for quick turnaround! On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 10:08 PM Matthew Glidden > Stamps and Spahn gone, only two left! > 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale > 1964 Topps Giants, #4 > On Fri, Nov 24, 2017 at 8:29 PM Matthew Glidden > wrote: >> Update: S&S card, Brooksie, Sportscasters taken. Still available: >> 1947-66 Exhibits, Spahn (B cap) >> 1961 Topps Stamps, Podres, Roebuck (Dodgers) >> 1962 Topps Stamps, Lee Thomas >> 1963 Topps, #5 NL ERA LL w/Koufax, Gibson, Drysdale >> 1964 Topps Giants, #4 >> Spike ================= Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2017 10:36:07 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC lunch meeting, Cleveland-style From: David Luciano Had our first OBC meet up with Tom Housley. Was great swaping trading card and OBC stories. Wish we had more time but looking forward to Strongsville. And thanks for the 63 66 and 73 hits to my want list. Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/dluciano.htm On Nov 24, 2017, at 2:20 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Had a fun lunch with Dave Luciano and his lovely wife Christine today. The Lucianos live very close to my in-laws in a Cleveland suburb, so we met up at a nearby restaurant. > As is the usual case when meeting with a fellow OBCer, the conversation about life, cards and sports flowed naturally, as if we've known each other a long time when in fact this was the first time we'd met. > Dave & Christine, it was great to meet you and hopefully we can do a larger OBC gathering in April for Strongsville! > Tom H. ================= Date: 25 Nov 2017 17:34:29 +0000 To: Subject: Saturday mailing From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 26 Nov 2017 13:41:13 +0000 To: Subject: Am I out? From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com ================= Date: 26 Nov 2017 13:52:47 +0000 To: Subject: Re: Am I out? From: davidluftig@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 08:58:40 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Am I out? From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Others appear to have been inadvertently deleted as well--(Anson?) -----Original Message----- From: davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Nov 26, 2017 8:52 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Am I out? Don't feel bad. Looks like my listing in the directory got deleted as well. David Luftig ================= To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 14:15:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Am I out? From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:22:43 -0500 To: JTysver1@msn.com, hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Am I out? From: Mike Glasser I'm gone as well. I hope that it doesn't last long as I have some envelopes to address! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: hoot_owl1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Nov 26, 2017 9:15 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Am I out? Not sure, but due to all of the updating, it appears that the newer memberswere not updated. I'm guessing it most likely reverted to an older version" Jay Tysver On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:58 AM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Others appear to have been inadvertently deleted as well--(Anson?) -----Original Message----- From: davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Nov 26, 2017 8:52 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Am I out? Don't feel bad. Looks like my listing in the directory got deleted as well. David Luftig ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:29:18 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1958 waiver wire From: Robert Fitts Upgraded see of my 1958 Topps. The following are available P/F condition,missy have writing on fronts 192 203 221 291 308 309 318 332 448 467 471 Rob fitts ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 09:56:56 -0500 To: mountaineer1999@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I out? From: Mike Glasser Thanks for checking. Nice to know we made the cut. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Donnie Barnett Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings-noreply ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Nov 26, 2017 9:54 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Am I out? We all appear to be back now... Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 8:41 AM, Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I notice this morning upon logging in I am no longer in the directories. Have I been kicked out of OBC? donnie barnett ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:35:37 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1967 Topps pinup waiver From: Have the following available from the 1967 Topps pinup set: 13 Cleon Jones 17 Bobby Knoop 18 Tony Oliva 20 Denny McLain 21 Al Kaline 22 Joe Pepitone 29 Matty Alou 30 Felipe Alou 31 Ron Hunt 32 Willie McCovey Usual rules--ask and ye shall receive, include your address in the request and ye shall receive more quickly! Bob N ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 17:06:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: NFL From: Geno Wagner Fellas =E2=94 I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler curedme of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pumpyour fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:18:51 -0600 Subject: anyone going to submit to PSA grading soon? From: mark zentkovich I am thinking of getting 5-10 cards graded. Don=E2=99t want to pay the cash to join the club Is there anyone that is submitting to PSA in the near future that I can tagalong If not, probably will go with SGC Thanks, mark zentkovich Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:23:35 -0500 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: ShoelessWes Geno, OBC, I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace.I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio.Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Without football, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancers into its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urban gangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run really fast, and block more betterly) It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracing themselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawk and nick mangold)... As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is and was the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martin king. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich, white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, nonsocialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness,honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frank robinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God pleasehave mercy on bowling. Peace, love, and cardboard. Wes Shepard > On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas =E2=94 > I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99llever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump yourfist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins andhaving them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:23:42 -0500 To: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] anyone going to submit to PSA grading soon? From: Ed Hutchinson I would also be interested in tagging along with a few cards to PSA if anyone is doing so- or SGC. Either one is cool On Sun, Nov 26, 2017 at 7:18 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am thinking of getting 5-10 cards graded. > Don=E2=99t want to pay the cash to join the club > Is there anyone that is submitting to PSA in the near future that I can > tag along with? > If not, probably will go with SGC > Thanks, mark zentkovich > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:31:38 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: ShoelessWes Obviously, the kaepernick mom thing was urban legend for a time. But the upper class white thing is true. Wes Shepard > On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:23 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Geno, OBC, > I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace. I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio. Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. > Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Withoutfootball, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. > Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancersinto its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urbangangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run reallyfast, and block more betterly) > It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracingthemselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawkand nick mangold)... > As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. > Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is andwas the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martinking. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! > Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich,white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? > Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, non socialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. > Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness, honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. > In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frankrobinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God please have mercy on bowling. > Peace, love, and cardboard. > Wes Shepard >> On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Fellas =E2=94 >> I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. >> Take Care, >> Geno >> Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'ShoelessWes'" Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 19:39:21 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: "Bob Donaldson" Why would it matter? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:32 PM To: ShoelessWes Cc: Geno Wagner ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL Obviously, the kaepernick mom thing was urban legend for a time. But the upper class white thing is true. Wes Shepard On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:23 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Geno, OBC, I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace.I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio.Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Without football, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancers into its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urban gangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run really fast, and block more betterly) It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracing themselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawk and nick mangold)... As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is and was the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martin king. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich, white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, nonsocialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness,honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frank robinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God pleasehave mercy on bowling. Peace, love, and cardboard. Wes Shepard On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Fellas =E2=94 I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good againwith Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. TheNFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:11:34 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: ShoelessWes Because one is fact, the other was made up. Wes Shepard > On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:39 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: > Why would it matter? > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:32 PM > To: ShoelessWes > Cc: Geno Wagner ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL > Obviously, the kaepernick mom thing was urban legend for a time. But the upper class white thing is true. > Wes Shepard > On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:23 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Geno, OBC, > I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace. I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio. Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. > Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Withoutfootball, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. > Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancersinto its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urbangangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run reallyfast, and block more betterly) > It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracingthemselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawkand nick mangold)... > As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. > Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is andwas the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martinking. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! > Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich,white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? > Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, non socialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. > Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness, honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. > In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frankrobinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God please have mercy on bowling. > Peace, love, and cardboard. > Wes Shepard > On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas =E2=94 > I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99llever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump yourfist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins andhaving them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: ShoelessWes Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:16:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: Taylor Schock I think you hit on a number of valid points. Like really, as if the NFL suddenly found some 'social conscience' in their semi-support of a partial-truth cause-de-jour, providing that they felt it wouldn't overly impact their bottom line. Though it surprised me not in the least. It might actually bother me more, if about 5 years ago I hadn't realized that NFL football was really boring. To me, anyway. And if diversity is someone's 'thing', you might want to try baseball or soccer. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:23 PM To: Geno Wagner Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL Geno, OBC, I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace.I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio.Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Without football, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancers into its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urban gangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run really fast, and block more betterly) It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracing themselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawk and nick mangold)... As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is and was the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martin king. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich, white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, nonsocialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness,honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frank robinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God pleasehave mercy on bowling. Peace, love, and cardboard. Wes Shepard On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Fellas =97 I=92m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=92t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=92ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL.After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=92s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:24:06 +0000 (UTC) To: ShoelessWes , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: Geno Wagner The Kapernick thing actually has nothing to do with my decision to leave the NFL. I did my 20 years in the military, so I don't like what's going on...but that can happen in any sport. I just think the game just sucks now. I seriously thing the game is broken, the NFL is broken, and the players are just clowns. Maybe the refs should start dancing around and make the players realize how stupid they are, when they do a dance, and throw a flag at them. As a kid growing up in Chicago, I loved the Jordan Bulls. But looking back, I can see that was the start of that sport going downhill, too. It's just a show of ticky-tack fouls against the star players. I get offered Nuggets tickets all the time and always turn them down. Zero interest. I used to be a diehard U of Illinois basketball fan, but with one and dones of recent years, I don't care anymore about NCAA basketball. I'll buy tickets to go see theUniversity of Denver play hockey instead. If the Hawks are in town, I'll spring for the Avalanche game. The Rockies are always good for ahot dog and a couple beers. Or the best of all...I'm hoping to be atUCLA on Dec 2nd to see my daughter swim for her school, Grand Canyon University. That's what I want to watch. Take Care,Geno From: ShoelessWes To: Geno Wagner Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL Geno, OBC, I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace.I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio.Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Without football, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancers into its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urban gangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run really fast, and block more betterly) It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracing themselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawk and nick mangold)... As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is and was the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martin king. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich, white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist,non socialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates"for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness,honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frank robinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God please have mercy on bowling. Peace, love, and cardboard. Wes Shepard On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Fellas =E2=94 I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good againwith Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. TheNFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:48:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: richard dingman Totally agree, I can't see that players aren't embarrassed and even humiliated by the grade school playground antics. I literally cringe to watch. Is sport now a joke? Isn't athletic artistry and skill beautiful and a source of pride and respect? Has our country become so juvenile that absolutely everything from politics to sport has to be dumbed down to testosteronic clowning? Yikes. Is this really a reflection of the American character or just a temporary perversion of greedy marketing? Or both?? Fellas =97 I=92m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=92t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=92ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL.After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=92s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 18:03:57 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: Geordie Calvert My short two cents: * I still love college and professional football (Oregon Ducks and the once again Los Angeles Rams). I still see it as an incredibly tough game played by pretty tough dudes. * I have zero problem with celebrations after touchdowns. I had a huge problem when flags used to be thrown when players celebrated. I hated seeing players getting penalized for doing something that=E2=99s pretty damn hard to do - score touchdowns. Let =E2em celebrate - it=E2=99s a game, after all. Saying that, the =E2=9Cget off my lawn=E2=9D old man in me wishes there wasn=E2=99t so much posing after a tackle or sack. Hooray, you did what you are paid to do. And I guess that extends to touchdowns - more than once I=E2=99ve wondered internally or out loud, =E2=9Cwhy can=E2=99t they all just be like Barry Sanders and flip that ball to the ref. Act like they=E2=99ve been there before.=E2=9D So I get where you guys are coming from in regards to celebrating. It just doesn=E2=99t bother me anymore. * Kaepernick: I=E2=99ll be as brief as I can here. I couldn=E2=99t stand him early on in his career. He was a 49er, and he was successful. Didn=E2=99t matter that he was a local kid (he grew up around 20 miles from me) - he was a 49er and therefore not to be liked. For those that don=E2=99t know, I=E2=99m also a military vet - six years in the Air Force. I=E2=99m extremely proud of my service. As a vet, I had and have zero problem with Kaepernick=E2=99s kneeling. Little-known factoid here: did you know the reason he started kneeling is because a former Green Beret who was trying out for the Seahawks encouraged him to kneel instead of the sitting he had been doing? True story. Back to the actual kneeling. The reason I have zero problem, as a vet, withthe kneeling is because I know it had not a damn thing to do with the military or the Flag or the Anthem. I understand that a great many people see his actions (and the actions of the other players that followed his lead) asextremely disrespectful to our country and the brace men and women that wear or have worn the uniform, but that was never the intent of his protest. I get that people want these pampered, overpaid athletes to just shut up and play. To me, that disrespects their status as a citizen of this great country. They are men that live and love just like we do. They are absolutely entitled to have a voice in this country, just as we do. They have a uniqueplatform in which to try to affect societal change - who are we do deny them that? And stop with, =E2=9Clet them try that at such-and-such a job=E2=9D. Professional sports is an entertainment business, and they are entertainers. They=E2=99re not working a corporate gig or selling insurance or working a factory job. They=E2=99re entertainers. Meh. I better stop here. I=E2=99ve probably already lost the respect of some of you, what little there may have been in the first place. I will saythis, though. Politics and kneeling won=E2=99t kill football, nor will boycotting. What=E2=99s going to kill football is player safety. Guys are putting their lives on the line, and even with the increased scrutiny on head injuries and CTE, these players are still hitting just as hard and just as dangerously. I think that=E2=99s what drives me crazier than anything else - the lost art of tackling. You want the guy to stop running? Wrap up his feet. Problem solved. Peace, brothers. > On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The Kapernick thing actually has nothing to do with my decision to leave the NFL. I did my 20 years in the military, so I don't like what's going on...but that can happen in any sport. I just think the game just sucks now. I seriously thing the game is broken, the NFL is broken, and the playersare just clowns. Maybe the refs should start dancing around and make the players realize how stupid they are, when they do a dance, and throw a flagat them. As a kid growing up in Chicago, I loved the Jordan Bulls. But looking back, I can see that was the start of that sport going downhill, too. It's just a show of ticky-tack fouls against the star players. I get offered Nuggets tickets all the time and always turn them down. Zero interest. I used to be a diehard U of Illinois basketball fan, but with one and dones of recent years, I don't care anymore about NCAA basketball. I'll buytickets to go see the University of Denver play hockey instead. If the Hawks are in town, I'll spring for the Avalanche game. The Rockies are always good for a hot dog and a couple beers. Or the best of all...I'm hoping to be at UCLA on Dec 2nd to see my daughter swim for her school, Grand Canyon University. That's what I want to watch. > Take Care, > Geno > From: ShoelessWes > To: Geno Wagner > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 5:23 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL > Geno, OBC, > I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace. I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio. Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. > Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Withoutfootball, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. > Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancersinto its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urbangangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run reallyfast, and block more betterly) > It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracingthemselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawkand nick mangold)... > As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. > Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is andwas the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martinking. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! > Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich,white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? > Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, non socialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. > Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness, honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. > In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frankrobinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God please have mercy on bowling. > Peace, love, and cardboard. > Wes Shepard >> On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Fellas =E2=94 >> I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. >> Take Care, >> Geno >> Sent from my iPhone ================= To: richard dingman , Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 20:13:42 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: mark zentkovich I do not mind the celebrations since they have not been allowed to do that until this year. I did not like the kneeling at the anthem (or the extra coverage of it). The younger generation sure has a big =E2look at me=E2=99 component, which probably comes from them liking social media so much.. I do kind of miss the running game and blocking/tackling basics of previousdecades, but still have fun watching the current game (but do not see myself spending big $ on going to a game or NFL package) Mark Z Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2017 7:48 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL Totally agree, Ican't see that players aren't embarrassed and even humiliated by the grade school playground antics. I literally cringe towatch.Is sport now a joke?Isn't athletic artistry and skill beautiful and a sourceof pride and respect? Has our country becomeso juvenile that absolutely everything from politics to sporthas to be dumbed down to testosteronic clowning? Yikes. Is this really a reflection of the American character or just a temporaryperversion of greedy marketing? Or both?? Fellas =E2=94 I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good againwith Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. TheNFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:17:47 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: chris tripler Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2017, at 7:23 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Geno, OBC, > I'm sorry you had to see that. The NFL has turned football into a disgrace.. I grew up in football. It was invented a short drive from my home in Ohio. Ironically, it didn't take me long to get over the pain of divorcing myself from the NFL and football. That was 16 months ago. > Let's be clear that the NFL is football, and football is the NFL. Withoutfootball, the NFL is nothing. And without the NFL, football is nothing. > Football has attracted a pool of individuals and persons of a particular character for some time now. And it has chosen to incorporate those cancersinto its ranks. Slowly integrating rapists, murderers, wife beaters, urbangangsters, drug dealers, racists, entitled, pimps, hustlers, perverts, snowflakes, cowards and socialists. (That are super dooper tall and run reallyfast, and block more betterly) > It begins from the bottom up. Nine year olds to high schoolers disgracingthemselves, their families, my country, and what used to be my sport. "Ncaa is different though" really? Really? Those buffoons are as stoopid as stoopid can be. They are the farm system for nfl teams. I know, because i, at one time was destined for college football. (I used to play against AJ hawkand nick mangold)... > As for the numbskulls in the league, They've been condemned by morgan freeman, and, the one and only jim brown. The Jim Brown himself has publicly denounced the nfl and its players' behavior and character. > Well, im not sorry you dumbasses (football players), but jim brown is andwas the closest thing this world has or had to, dare i suggest, dr. Martinking. Sorry, al sharpton doesn't count. Try again. Oh no! Not collin kapernick! Please! Dont let kapernick preach to us?! He'll really show us! Nooooooo! > Gimme a break. The guy sucked as a player. Plus, he was raised by 2 rich,white, lesbian females. You wanna know a real quarterback? How about kurt warner? I bet you hes got a super bowl ring. You know what? The hall of fame quarterback wont even let his own offspring play football!!!! How do you like 'them' apples? Huh? > Football sold itself, whored itself. I feel sorry for the non racist, non socialist players that just want to enjoy making a living playing football, and then getting physically assaulted by their own "team mates" for refusing to desecrate our country, its fallen, and its citizens. > Truth be told, i've considered getting rid of my football collection all together. Of course, for zero dollars, to a kid. But then i thought, maybe i'd be corrupting a kid into thinking football was still truly American? Perhaps, but landry, brown, butkus and blanda represent something of greatness, honor, and glory. The gridiron, from another time and place. > In closing, i recently ran into (in line) Frank Robinson. I wander what he would have to say if Baseball succumbed to the disgrace that has taken over the game of football? Just asking. Could i still like baseball if frankrobinson, or henry aaron, or sandy koufax and nolan ryan said they didn't anymore? I don't know. Lord have mercy on baseball. And hockey. Oh God please have mercy on bowling. > Peace, love, and cardboard. > Wes Shepard >> On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Fellas =E2=94 >> I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99ll ever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump your fist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins and having them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. >> Take Care, >> Geno >> Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:57:12 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Am I out? From: Wayne Delia Who is the jackass who was messing with the database, dropping about 20 active member records??? (Full disclosure: I was that jackass.) Very sorry for the outage there. It was brought to my attention early this morning, after I probably spent too many hours working on a project that should have been in the test area. What I'm trying to do is convert the want lists that are stored on the OBC website into text fields on a new database table, obc_wantlists. Reading the want lists out of that table, instead of loading flat files stored on the server, is expected to eliminate the caching issues we've seen in the past couple of months - make a change on your want list, save it, re-display it, and the new changes don't show up, for various reasons. That problem should go away. Having a few problems with some of the want lists which contain really strange characters - inverted quotes, long dashes, etc. (cough-cough-Aaron-Shirley-cough) in a non-standard character set, which might have to be corrected manually. Lucky for me I don't trust myself, so I backed everything up and restored it once I heard about the problem. I'm getting OBC emails in a daily digest, so if there's any website-related problems, I'd appreciate a direct note sent to wayne.m.delia@gmail.com. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 23:53:43 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: Ken M   I still watch the NFL (read: Patriots) when I can. That isn't often unless they play a 4:00 or prime time game, since I get OT hours at work - and that has a priority at this point. Long gone are the days when I had season tickets and the days of tailgating 8-10 games a year are an even more distant memory.  The game has changed. For the better? Maybe. I think fantasy football is way more popular than the game itself. It takes away from the game when you don't mind if your team gives up a touchdown, as long as the quaterback and reciever are on your fantasy team. I don't mind the end zone dancing and even some of the sack dances. It adds personality to the game - something that is lacking in the vanilla world of baseball.  The thing that is really wrong with football is the ticky-tack penalty calls - and the overall inconsistency of those calls. No one knows what a catch is any more...  And replay has pretty much destroyed what little credibility the referees had - like when they slow down a play to see if a fumble was made, but discover a blatant facemask penalty, which they can't call after the fact. They end up making a poor call and calling it the "right" call.  As far as the Kaepernick thing goes, he has every right to protest. I think he A) chose a poor avenue to make his protests known, so when everybody lost their minds about it, it drowned out the message he was trying to send and B) he didn't seem to do anything but protest. (Of course, I may have missed this with the aforementioned drowning.) Don't just sit (kneel) there. Offer solutions. Donate money to organizations that champion your cause. Meet with people in a position to promote change. Don't just pout every week on TV. Be the change you wish to see. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Nov 26, 2017 9:47 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Geordie Calvert;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL I like your perspective Geordie! In fact, I like and value all the opinions and perspectives on the NFL since we all have been given the right to express them freely. For example, I don’t really care for Hallmark Channel, but it’s an option if I want to watch it...in fact, I think I hear my wife exercising that option in the other room. If I get sick enough of NFL, I don’t have to watch it...my wife would welcome me to watch her shows with her :-) I already ignore all the off-field NFL drama as much as possible. I don’t watch pregame or postgame...and I usually only watch the highlights to catch my fantasy FB players.  I love the athletic nature of the game, I’m worried about player safety and I enjoy watching the all time greats (like Drew Brees who your LA Rams took care of easily today) I guess I’m a pacifist since I don’t have the energy to argue about who should kneel , stand or dance. I barely have the energy to look at my baseball cards, which is one of my true passions...NFL certainly isn’t near the top. OBC Forever! Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: November 26, 2017 at 6:06 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL   My short two cents:  * I still love college and professional football (Oregon Ducks and the once again Los Angeles Rams). I still see it as an incredibly tough game played by pretty tough dudes.   * I have zero problem with celebrations after touchdowns. I had a huge problem when flags used to be thrown when players celebrated. I hated seeing players getting penalized for doing something that’s pretty damn hard to do - score touchdowns. Let ‘em celebrate - it’s a game, after all.  Saying that, the “get off my lawn” old man in me wishes there wasn’t so much posing after a tackle or sack. Hooray, you did what you are paid to do. And I guess that extends to touchdowns - more than once I’ve wondered internally or out loud, “why can’t they all just be like Barry Sanders and flip that ball to the ref. Act like they’ve been there before.” So I get where you guys are coming from in regards to celebrating. It just doesn’t bother me anymore.   * Kaepernick: I’ll be as brief as I can here. I couldn’t stand him early on in his career. He was a 49er, and he was successful. Didn’t matter that he was a local kid (he grew up around 20 miles from me) - he was a 49er and therefore not to be liked.  For those that don’t know, I’m also a military vet - six years in the Air Force. I’m extremely proud of my service. As a vet, I had and have zero problem with Kaepernick’s kneeling. Little-known factoid here: did you know the reason he started kneeling is because a former Green Beret who was trying out for the Seahawks encouraged him to kneel instead of the sitting he had been doing? True story.  Back to the actual kneeling. The reason I have zero problem, as a vet, with the kneeling is because I know it had not a damn thing to do with the military or the Flag or the Anthem. I understand that a great many people see his actions (and the actions of the other players that followed his lead) as extremely disrespectful to our country and the brace men and women that wear or have worn the uniform, but that was never the intent of his protest.  I get that people want these pampered, overpaid athletes to just shut up and play. To me, that disrespects their status as a citizen of this great country. They are men that live and love just like we do. They are absolutely entitled to have a voice in this country, just as we do. They have a unique platform in which to try to affect societal change - who are we do deny them that? And stop with, “let them try that at such-and-such a job”. Professional sports is an entertainment business, and they are entertainers. They’re not working a corporate gig or selling insurance or working a factory job. They’re entertainers.  Meh. I better stop here. I’ve probably already lost the respect of some of you, what little there may have been in the first place. I will say this, though. Politics and kneeling won’t kill football, nor will boycotting. What’s going to kill football is player safety. Guys are putting their lives on the line, and even with the increased scrutiny on head injuries and CTE, these players are still hitting just as hard and just as dangerously. I think that’s what drives me crazier than anything else - the lost art of tackling. You want the guy to stop running? Wrap up his feet. Problem solved.  Peace, brothers.  On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   The Kapernick thing actually has nothing to do with my decision to leave the NFL.  I did my 20 years in the military, so I don't like what's going on...but that can happen in any sport.  I just think the game just sucks now.  I seriously thing the game is broken, the NFL is broken, and the players are just clowns.  Maybe the refs should start dancing around and make the players realize how stupid they are, when they do a dance, and throw a flag at them.  As a kid growing up in Chicago, I loved the Jordan Bulls.  But looking back, I can see that was the start of that sport going downhill, too.  It's just a show of ticky-tack fouls against the star players.  I get offered Nuggets tickets all the time and always turn them down.  Zero interest.  I used to be a diehard U of Illinois basketball fan, but with one and dones of recent years, I don't care anymore about NCAA basketball.  I'll buy tickets to go see the University of Denver play hockey instead.  If the Hawks are in town, I'll spring for the Avalanche game.  The Rockies are always good for a hot dog and a couple beers.  Or the best of all...I'm hoping to be at UCLA on Dec 2nd to see my daughter swim for her school, Grand Canyon University.  That's what I want to watch. Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 21:30:59 -0800 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: Geordie Calvert Ken (and others): For what it=E2=99s worth, early on in his protests Kaepernick pledged todonate $1M to various charities. He has followed through on his promise. One may not like him or may vehemently disagree with what he=E2=99s protesting or how he protests, but one cannot deny that he is putting his money where his mouth is. https://www.forbes.com/sites/maurybrown/2017/09/15/dont-ignore-this-positive-pr-twist-to-colin-kaepernick/amp/ http://kaepernick7.com/million-dollar-pledge/ > On Nov 26, 2017, at 8:53 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I still watch the NFL (read: Patriots) when I can. That isn't often unless they play a 4:00 or prime time game, since I get OT hours at work - andthat has a priority at this point. Long gone are the days when I had season tickets and the days of tailgating 8-10 games a year are an even more distant > The game has changed. For the better? Maybe. I think fantasy football is way more popular than the game itself. It takes away from the game when you don't mind if your team gives up a touchdown, as long as the quaterback and reciever are on your fantasy team. I don't mind the end zone dancing and even some of the sack dances. It adds personality to the game - somethingthat is lacking in the vanilla world of baseball. > The thing that is really wrong with football is the ticky-tack penalty calls - and the overall inconsistency of those calls. No one knows what a catch is any more... And replay has pretty much destroyed what little credibility the referees had - like when they slow down a play to see if a fumble was made, but discover a blatant facemask penalty, which they can't call after the fact. They end up making a poor call and calling it the "right" call. > As far as the Kaepernick thing goes, he has every right to protest. I think he A) chose a poor avenue to make his protests known, so when everybody lost their minds about it, it drowned out the message he was trying to send and B) he didn't seem to do anything but protest. (Of course, I may havemissed this with the aforementioned drowning.) Don't just sit (kneel) there. Offer solutions. Donate money to organizations that champion your cause.Meet with people in a position to promote change. Don't just pout eve ry week on TV. Be the change you wish to see. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > From: a href"mailto:familytoad@comcast.net">familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Sun, Nov 26, 2017 9:47 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Geordie Calvert; > Cc: > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL > I like your perspective Geordie! > In fact, I like and value all the opinions and perspectives on the NFL since we all have been given the right to express them freely. > For example, I don=E2=99t really care for Hallmark Channel, b ut it=E2=99s an option if I want to watch it...in fact, I think I hear my wife exercising that option in the other room. If I get sick enough of NFL, I don=E2=99t have to watch it...my wife would welcome me to watch her shows with her :-) > I already ignore all the off-field NFL drama as much as possible. I don=E2=99t watch pregame or postgame...and I usually only watch the highlights to catch my fantasy FB players. I love the athletic nature of the game, I=E2=99m worried about player safety and I enjoy watching the all timegreats (like Drew Brees who your LA Rams took care of easily today) > I guess I=E2=99m a pacifist since I don=E2=99t have the energy to argue about who should kneel , stand or dance. I barely have the energy to look at my baseball cards, which is one of my true passions...NFL certainly isn=E2=99t near the top. > OBC Forever! > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Geord ie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: November 26, 2017 at 6:06 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL > My short two cents: > * I still love college and professional football (Oregon Ducks and the once again Los Angeles Rams). I still see it as an incredibly tough game played by pretty tough dudes. > * I have zero problem with celebrations after touchdowns. I had a huge problem when flags used to be thrown when players celebrated. I hated seeingplayers getting penalized for doing something that=E2=99s pretty damn hard to do - score touchdowns. Let =E2em celebrate - it=E2=99s a game, after all. > Saying that, the =E2=9Cget off my lawn=E2=9D old man in me wishes there wasn=E2=99t so much posing after a tackle or sack. Hooray, you did what you are paid to do. And I guess that extends to touchdowns - more thanonce I=E2=99ve wondered internally or out loud, =E2=9Cwhy can=E2=99t they all just be like Barry Sanders and flip that ball to the ref. Actlike they=E2=99ve been there before.=E2=9D So I get where you guys are coming from in regards to celebrating. It just doesn=E2=99t bother meanymore. > * Kaepernick: I=E2=99ll be as brief as I can here. I couldn=E2=99tstand him early on in his career. He was a 49er, and he was successful. Didn=E2=99t matter that he was a local kid (he grew up around 20 miles from me) - he was a 49er and therefore n ot to be liked. > For those that don=E2=99t know, I=E2=99m also a military vet - six years in the Air Force. I=E2=99m extremely proud of my service. As a vet, I had and have zero problem with Kaepernick=E2=99s kneeling. Little-known factoid here: did you know the reason he started kneeling is because a former Green Beret who was trying out for the Seahawks encouraged him to kneel instead of the sitting he had been doing? True story. > Back to the actual kneeling. The reason I have zero problem, as a vet, with the kneeling is because I know it had not a damn thing to do with the military or the Flag or the Anthem. I understand that a great many people seehis actions (and the actions of the other players that followed his lead) as extremely disrespectful to our country and the brace men and women that wear or have worn the uniform, but that was never the intent of his protest. > I get that people want these pampered, overpaid athletes to just shut up and play. To me, that disrespects their status as a citizen of this great country. They are men that live and love just like we do. They are absolutely entitled to have a voice in this country, just as we do. They have a unique platform in which to try to affect societal change - who are we do deny them that? And stop with, =E2=9Clet them try that at such-and-such a job=E2=9D. Professional sports is an entertainment business, and they are entertainers. They=E2=99re not working a corporate gig or selling insurance or working a factory job. They=E2=99re entertainers. > Meh. I better stop here. I=E2=99ve probably already lost the respect of some of you, what little there may have been in the first place. I will say this, though. Politics and kneeling won=E2=99t kill football, nor will boycotting. What=E2=99s going to kill football is player s afety. Guysare putting their lives on the line, and even with the increased scrutiny on head injuries and CTE, these players are still hitting just as hard and just as dangerously. I think that=E2=99s what drives me crazier than anything else - the lost art of tackling. You want the guy to stop running? Wrap up his feet. Problem solved. > Peace, brothers. > Geordie > On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:24 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The Kapernick thing actually has nothing to do with my decision to leave the NFL. I did my 20 years in the military, so I don't like what's going on...but that can happen in any sport. I just think the game just sucks now. I seriously thing the game is broken, the NFL is broken, and the playersare just clowns. Maybe the refs should start dancing around and make the players realize how stupid they are, when they do a dance, and throw a flagat them. As a kid growing up in Chicago, I loved the Jordan Bulls. But looking back, I can see that was the start of that sport going downhill, too. It's just a show of ticky-tack fouls against the star players. I get offered Nuggets tickets all the time and always turn them down. Zero interest. I used to be a diehard U of Illinois basketball fan, but with one and dones of recent years, I don't care anymore about NCAA basketball. I'll buytickets to go see the University of Denver play hockey instead. If the Hawks are in town, I'll spring for the Avalanche game. The Rockies are always good for a hot dog and a couple beers. Or the best of all...I'm hoping to be at UCLA on Dec 2nd to see my daughter swim for her school, Grand Canyon University. That's what I want to watch. > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 05:37:33 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Fort Myers (Sox spring training) in late March? From: Matthew Glidden I'm looking at catching the last few days of 2018 spring training. Any voices of experience on whether the last few days will make for a fun trip? Have only been to spring training in AZ so far. ================= To: Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 22:27:19 -0800 Subject: Sy Berger books - progress report From: "George Vrechek" As you may recall, OBCers were given the opportunity to receive some books from Sy Berger's library as per the announcement below sent to OBC-Ramblings earlier this year. Sal Domino has been sending books or videos to many of the OBCers who responded as he obtains boxes and has a chance to get to the post office. He still needs to send out billings to book recipients to cover the shipping costs. A few people (who were interested in several items) are still on the to-be-mailed list and some items are still available. If you didn't sign up for books and would still like to, or if you signed up for books and haven't received them, please contact Sal. Sal will try to send out the balance of the items. As per the original announcement, you agree to pay the shipping costs and hang onto the items, for at least a few years. Let me know, if you have any questions. Thanks for providing a new home for Sy's stuff. George Vrechek THIS WAS THE EARLY 2017 ANNOUNCEMENT Sy Berger Library Waiver Wire - Action Needed I had the good fortune to interview Sy Berger of Topps a few times for SCD articles. http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Sy_Berger.pdf Sy died in December 2014, a few months after we last talked. In writing my stories on Sy, I was helped by his daughter, Maxine, and wife, Gloria. Gloria appreciated the stories. She contacted me three months ago to see if I was interested in accepting Sy's collection of approximately 130 sports books which include many of the popular books about baseball over the last few decades. Some were given to Sy by people he knew, the rest he purchased. None of the books are signed. They are used books, but Sy Berger's used I thought it would be great to have Sy's books and that the number of 130 was miraculously close to our OBC membership. I thought, who wouldn't want a book from Sy Berger in exchange for picking them up or paying for the shipping? I told Gloria that I would be happy to have them, provided I could arrange a way to pick them up. I noticed that Sal Domino was the closest OBCer to Rockville Centre, New York, so I gave him a call. Sal was equally enthused. I told Gloria I would take the books, and that my intention was to re-gift books to OBC members. Recently, Sal picked up 132 books and 17 VCR tapes. Sal and I will prepare a COA listing each item referenced to a hologram sticker inside each book or item. The COA will be accessible from our oldbaseball.com website. It looks like the cost to box and ship one book with a hologram will be about $4, depending on the size, weight and distance. Shipping two books in one box will be less than an additional $4. If you want to drop by Sal's house in Levittown, you are welcome to pick up a book at no cost. The goal is to breakeven and to distribute all the items to OBCers. Gloria Berger will be happy to know that we are providing a good home for Sy's books among As to the mechanics, I thought we would work it like our waiver wire claims. Let us know if you are willing to provide a new home for one or more of Sy's books. Take a look at the attached list of books and list the books you would like in order of preference in your email back to me. Sal will do his best to match books and tapes available to your requests. Anyone who wants a book will get at least one book to start with and then additional books will be assigned. You can sign up for all the books and tapes, which would mean that Sal and I won't have to figure out what to do with what is left. Once the dust settles, we will let you know which books from your choices are available to you, and then can provide the shipping costs and collect that prior to shipping. If you don't like the cost or the books available, you can drop out. You agree to keep the books for at least a few years. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 01:53:01 -0500 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NFL From: ShoelessWes The thread is/was about how shitty football has become or allowed people tomake it. Not about whether or not somebody has a first amendment right. The nfl put extreme politics in its venue. They chose it, not me or the fans.I just made reference to it. Kapernick's protest was/is about 2 things: -oppression against non caucasians (btw he was raised by upper class caucasians, who afforded him the opportunities) -and, against police in america shooting non caucasians. (Fyi we are not a police state, unless, technically you are in washington dc, but that is another Still wandering why if these guys were so righteous, and good for football,why jimmy brown and emmitt smith, barry sanders, etc. aren't showering these players with adoration? Jealousy? Of what? Still beingthe greatest players ever? Not hardly. Football, the game. NFL, the top pro league, have madethe sport worse. Barry Bonds had every right to hit all those home runs. Canseco and friendswere all protected by the 4th amendment in their persons and privacy at home, and in their papers and privacy without search or seizure. Did they make baseball better? Or worse than it was before? I wonder how many of us won't shut up to our grand kids about just how freaking awesome and good BarryBonds, himself was and is, and ever shall be. The greatest home run hitterof all time, and did so willingly having the right, and ability, and opportunity to hit all those baseballs to the next county over. My oh my how he made baseball such a better sport. So great, that not just every Latino, but every single American boy wants to now be a baseball player!!! Yay! Er, wait. What? I mean, no. Er, yes! Except not. (I cordially invite you to yourlocal AAA team affiliate for a good ol ballgame) Let me know how many english speaking, er, wait, 'united states' born and raised players you got. I'll give you a 71 northrup for every player on yourteam's opening day roster that speaks english more gooder. Hint, i bet your mlb scouts will be in the Caribbean after Christmas. Not so much new yorkor Barry Bonds had the right to be shitty for baseball. Colin Kaepernick has the right to be shitty for football. If i thought Bonds would pop a squat and take a big fat crusty shit on our country, and still be defended, hailed, and exonerated by mlb and citizens,I'd already have turned in my baseball bats by now. I wonder if Kapernick would, or wants to shit on this country? Or has he already? Or wait? What if he's already convinced thousands to do it for him? Maybe Kapernick never squeezed a hot one out onto the flag. But he never had to. Just like Hitler never had to kill anybody. I know! Right? You set a rhetoric and make people believe you! And then?! They praise you for makingeverything more betterly than it was before you arrived. And then they do and believe what you wanted them to! Lol, guess what?! Hitler was Jewish! And Kapernick was never oppressed! Or black! Finally, germany became worse, and football became worse. And there, actually are your extreme comparisons, that, 2 years ago, nobody would have ever thought of. I've never seen a football game from the stands, or bleachers. The NFL and its players and politics just made it super easy for me to never set foot in a football stadium, and to quit watching it! Thanks for help Kapernick. Ididn't have the guts to stand up for what.... oops, guess that's wrong too! No pun intended. Either way, thanks Colin! I love your rookie card! OBC forever, Wes Shepard > On Nov 26, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas =E2=94 > I=E2=99m on the road again, watching NFL highlights in the bar with dinner. I haven=E2=99t watched an NFL game in five years...Jay Cutler cured me of that, as a Bears fan. I used to be religiously addicted to the Bears and Walter Payton, and even bad teams with Rex Grossman, and the good again with Devin Hester. But as I watch these highlights, I doubt I=E2=99llever watch another game. What is with all this crap after a touchdown? I love MLB and the NHL. After a homer, or a strikeout...go ahead and pump yourfist or flip the bat (a bit). After a goal, down on one knee, and slide across the ice...awesome. But setting your teammates up like bowling pins andhaving them fall down? Or pretending to give CPR to a football? Garbage. The NFL just sucks now. It=E2=99s turned into arena football, and the antics just make it worse. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 08:47:03 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sy Berger books - progress report From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Can you send out a list of any books that are left to be claimed? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Cc: 'Sal Domino' Sent: Mon, Nov 27, 2017 1:27 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sy Berger books - progress report As you may recall, OBCers were given the opportunity to receive some books from Sy Berger=E2=99s library as per the announcement below sent to OBC-Ramblings earlier this year. Sal Domino has been sending books or videos tomany of the OBCers who responded as he obtains boxes and has a chance to get to the post office. He still needs to send out billings to book recipients to cover the shipping costs. A few people (who were interested in several items) are still on the to-be-mailed list and some items are still available. If you didn=E2=99t sign up for books and would still like to, or if you signed up for books and haven=E2=99t received them, please contact Sal. Sal will try to send out the balance of the items. As per the original announcement, you agree to pay the shipping costs and hang onto the items, for at least a few years. Let me know, if you have a ny questions. Thanks for providing a new home for Sy=E2=99s stuff. George Vrechek THIS WAS THE EARLY 2017 ANNOUNCEMENT Sy Berger Library Waiver Wire =E2=93 Action Needed I had the good fortune to interview Sy Berger of Topps a few times for SCD articles. http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Sy_Berger.pdf Sy died in December 2014, a few months after we last talked. In writing my stories on Sy, I was helped by his daughter, Maxine, and wife, Gloria. Gloria appreciated the stories. She contacted me three months ago to see ifI was interested in accepting Sy=E2=99s collection o f approximately 130 sports books which include many of the popular books about baseball over the last few decades. Some were given to Sy by people he knew, the rest he purchased. None of the books are signed. They are used books, but Sy Berger=E2=99s used books. I thought it would be great to have Sy=E2=99s books and that the number of 130 was miraculously close to our OBC membership. I thought, who wouldn=E2=99t want a book from Sy Berger in exchange for picking them up or paying for the shipping? I told Gloria that I would be happy to have them, provided I could arrange a way to pick them up. I noticed that Sal Domino was the closest OBCer to Rockville Centre, New York, so I gave him a call. Sal was equally enthused. I told Gloria I would take the books, and that my intention was to re-gift books to OBC members. Recently, Sal picked up 132 books and 17 VCR tapes. Sal and I wil l prepare a COA listing each item referenced to a hologram sticker inside each book or item. The COA will be accessible from our oldbaseball.com It looks like the cost to box and ship one book with a hologram will be about $4, depending on the size, weight and distance. Shipping two books in one box will be less than an additional $4. If you want to drop by Sal=E2=99s house in Levittown, you are welcome to pick up a book at no cost. The goal is to breakeven and to distribute all the items to OBCers. Gloria Berger will be happy to know that we are providing a good home for Sy=E2=99sbooks among collectors. As to the mechanics, I thought we would work it like our waiver wire claims. Let us know if you are willing to provide a new home for one or more of Sy=E2=99s books. Take a look at the attached list of books and list the books you would like in order of preference in your email back to me. Sal will do his best to match books and tapes available to your requests. Anyone who wants a book will get at least one book to start with and then additional books will be assigned. You can sign up for all the books and tapes, which would mean that Sal and I won=E2=99t have to figure out what to do with what is left. Once the dust settles, we will let you know which books from your choices are available to you, and then can provide the shipping costs and collect that prior to shipping. If you don=E2=99t like the cost or the books available, you can drop out. You agree to keep the books for at least a few years. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 14:59:12 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Cyber Monday / holiday shopping From: Matthew Glidden Hi all, I haven't mentioned my work before, BUT since it's Cyber Monday... I've been at Sonos, the wireless hifi company, since 2014. We're running a sale through EOD today at Sonos.com/shop on several products. Not a sales pitch for the product, just letting you know that I can get you a further discount if you're looking at Sonos already. Email if interested and I'll send the details. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:01:53 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fort Myers (Sox spring training) in late March? From: David Luciano Hi Spike, I played in Ft myers for years in tournaments and the great thing is there are so many ballparks so close and you can=92t beat the beach and the bars. I think the twins and sox are maybe less than 30 minutes apart It=92s one of our favorite places. Have a great time! Dave Luciano 12815 Kingsway Dr, Chesterland, Ohio 216 406 5940 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/dluciano.htm On Nov 27, 2017, at 12:37 AM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm looking at catching the last few days of 2018 spring training. Any voices of experience on whether the last few days will make for a fun trip? Have only been to spring training in AZ so far. > Spike ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 10:45:09 -0500 To: davidluftig@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Cade D After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best things for OBC going forward. Coincidence the two youngest members are on the samepage, maybe, but that=E2=99s besides the point. I love the idea that all of the servers could be found easily on one singlewebsite, all members could easily access them, if wanted, or ignore them, if they didn=E2=99t want to see them. My favorite part of this idea is that, especially in the thanks forum, the writer of the thanks could easily tag the members he was thanking in his post.. This way said members would be notified that they were mentioned in a thanks posting, but not the entire OBC group is notified. This will make iteasier for the guys like myself that like to make sure my packages get where they are supposed to be going. But don=E2=99t read EVERY SINGLE thanks Another idea that could pair well with a forums based site, may be a littleextreme but, if we could make it work I believe it would make our RAOK=E2=99s so much more efficient. I would love to see a place on the forum page where us members could go and select from drop down boxes or type in manually, the year of the card, manufacturer, card number, subset, and variation if any.. After selecting or typing all this information in, the forum would develop a list of everyone in OBC that needed that one specific card. Last but not least after a quick google search there are free forums based sites available, I have never worked with any so who knows whether they would suit our needs or not, but I would be more than willing to pay dues towards a great OBC forums based website, as I believe others would too. I hope to see some forward progress soon. Cade Doolittle Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Please excuse my typos. I also mostly utilize my phone when on OBC. I can't get my phone to easily zoom in when posting messages to Yahoo and the font is like -15. > David Luftig ================= Date: 27 Nov 2017 17:06:19 +0000 To: Subject: Monday's mailings From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:32:16 +0000 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town without concern to the fans left behind. Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but with a nice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. Bill Malson ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 13:58:07 -0500 To: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: "Thomas W. Billing" I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxuriousstadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=E2=99s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =E2=9CYanks=E2=9D in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one year of non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and becamethe Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. As to Kepernick, why haven=E2=99t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco, which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. Tom Billing > On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. > As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town withoutconcern to the fans left behind. > Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. > Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. > And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance.As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but witha nice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. > Bill Malson ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:59:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: Aaron Shirley Wait, so the BROWNS moved to Baltimore... TWICE?!?! Neat. Anyone know what I'm talking about? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:58 PM To: malsman250@neo.rr.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxuriousstadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=92s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =93Yanks=94 in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one yearof non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and became the Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. As to Kepernick, why haven=92t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco,which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. Tom Billing On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town without concern to the fans left behind. Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but with anice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. Bill Malson ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 12:49:02 -0800 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: Geordie Calvert I meant touch on Kaepernick=E2=99s viability as a starter or back up in one of my earlier replies. While there may be some truth to the idea that he is being =E2=9Cblackballed=E2=9D, there is also a very real truth that he has been toxic for quite some time. Whether one agrees with him and what he=E2=99s protesting or not, there is zero question that any team that tries to sign him wouldface intense backlash and negative publicity as a result. There is zero doubt in my mind that he is better than most of the back up quarterbacks in the league right now, and quite possibly better than some ofthe starters. Does anyone really doubt that he would be worse than Tom Savage down in Houston? Or the myriad QBs for the aforementioned Cleveland Browns? Anybody that casually follows professional football has seen some of the names that have been signed to fill roster spots. I consider myself a bit more than a casual fan, and there are a few that really had me scratchingmy head. Who the hell are they, I asked myself. I don=E2=99t think he=E2=99ll ever play professional ball again, and a great many people are absolutely fine with that. I get why he is so unpopular, but I think his message, who he is, and what he is really fighting for has been overshadowed by false narratives. That certainly hasn=E2=99t been helped by certain political figures. Without going to far into that, Ireally wish the response would have been something along the lines of =E2=9Cwhile I disagree with how the protests are being carried out and feelthey disrespect of our brave military and the Flag and Anthem, I also acknowledge that we have much room to improve in matters of race relations. I also acknowledge the rights of our citizens to peacefully protest. I would like to invite Mr. Kaepernick to the White House for a meeting=E2=9D. I know the things I=E2=99ve written here and in previous replies have resonated with some of you, and have most likely caused anger/scorn in others. I=E2=99m glad that for the most part the public discussion has been civil. Hopefully it stays that way. This is obviously a very, very volatile subject with strong feelings and reactions on both sides. > On Nov 27, 2017, at 10:58 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing'@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxurious stadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=E2=99s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =E2=9CYanks=E2=9D in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one year of non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and became the Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. > As to Kepernick, why haven=E2=99t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco, which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. > Tom Billing >> On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. >> As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town without concern to the fans left behind. >> Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sackand tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. >> Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. >> And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but with a nice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. >> Bill Malson ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 15:49:28 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: Joel Freedman Nice to hear all the NFL complaints. If you had a team with 5 super bowl rings, the words would be, the NFL is great. Before Robert, Bill and Tom, the folks in NE would have been on the NFL sucks bandwagon (Schafer stadium and the Sullivans). But now.......we are on the path to 6x. One thing that i would like to complain about is the poor coaching. Games are bad because the players are not controlled! On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Wait, so the BROWNS moved to Baltimore... TWICE?!?! Neat. > Anyone know what I'm talking about? > Aaron > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 12:58 PM > *To:* malsman250@neo.rr.com > *Cc:* obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al > I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the > Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am > tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a > luxurious stadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a > palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston > Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=E2=99s and became the Bulldoges(since > the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =E2=9CYanks=E2=9D in 1950 after > the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. > After one year of non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and became the > Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one > example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. > As to Kepernick, why haven=E2=99t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation > reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San > Francisco, which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. > Tom Billing > On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I > think they were right on the button. > As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of > course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My > biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town > without concern to the fans left behind. > Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack > and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. > Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. > And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. > As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In > his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, > Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but > with a nice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass > from me. > Bill Malson ================= To: Aaron Shirley , Joel Freedman Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 21:21:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: JAY TYSVER I think the game has morphed into a Pinball game. It has gotten so wide open that guys routinely are passing 4k and 5k yards per season. I liked the game in the trenches more. I also don't like 6'7" linemen who weigh 350 lbs.The game has become a game of super freaks. Fran Tarkenton was the guy who I admired as a youngster. He would be a second string QB today because of his size and the game he played. Tackling isn't done by wrapping a guy up anymore. It is done by whoever smashes the fastest into a guy. The entire game is based upon timing routes with a few carries to offset those plays. The strategy is pretty much gone from the game.Turnovers control the outcome of the games more often than not. And the balls are blatantly stripped instead of knocked out. (Stripping should be a penalty as it cheapens the game). As for Kapernieck, I think he knew what the consequences of his actions were. He was brave for taking a stance and gets credit for basically giving uphis career for this stance. I question his tact in so doing. On the other hand, although I get that from time to time people may wish toprotest the flag to make their point. There are people who are genuinely hurt by those actions. That should always be considered. The thing that bothers me are those who all of a sudden are hurt by his actions because of who he is. Let's not forget that there were plenty of people who were protesting the flag an awful lot three or four years ago. In other words, some of the backlash is just hot air while some of it is justified. The whole Kapernieck thing is kind of in a grey area. There is not just oneright and one wrong. The problem is, that now, only right and only wrong is what most of us are conditioned to believe. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 2:49 PM To: Aaron Shirley Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Thomas W. Billing Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al Nice to hear all the NFL complaints. If you had a team with 5 super bowl rings, the words would be, the NFL is great. Before Robert, Bill and Tom, the folks in NE would have been on the NFL sucks bandwagon (Schafer stadium and the Sullivans). But now.......we are on the path to 6x. One thing that i would like to complain about is the poor coaching. Games are bad because the players are not controlled! On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Wait, so the BROWNS moved to Baltimore... TWICE?!?! Neat. Anyone know what I'm talking about? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:58 PM To: malsman250@neo.rr.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxuriousstadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=92s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =93Yanks=94 in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one yearof non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and became the Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. As to Kepernick, why haven=92t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco,which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. Tom Billing On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town without concern to the fans left behind. Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but with anice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. Bill Malson ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 17:54:32 -0500 To: jefreedman1@gmail.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: Mike Glasser Aaron - I do! St. Louis and Cleveland. BB and FB. Go figure. I wasn't around for the BB move but I was around on that snowy night when the Mayflower trucks took our Colts - all the Baltimore memorabilia and all.Funny how we don't have much of a rivalry with Cleveland though.. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Aaron Shirley Cc: OBC-Ramblings ; Thomas W. Billing Sent: Mon, Nov 27, 2017 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al Nice to hear all the NFL complaints. If you had a team with 5 super bowl rings, the words would be, the NFL is great. Before Robert, Bill and Tom, the folks in NE would have been on the NFL sucks bandwagon (Schafer stadium and the Sullivans). But now.......we are on the path to 6x. One thing that i would like to complain about is the poor coaching. Games are bad because the players are not controlled! On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 2:59 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Wait, so the BROWNS moved to Baltimore... TWICE?!?! Neat. Anyone know what I'm talking about? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 12:58 PM To: malsman250@neo.rr.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxuriousstadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=E2=99s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =E2=9CYanks=E2=9D in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one year of non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and becamethe Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. As to Kepernick, why haven=E2=99t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco, which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. Tom Billing On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town without concern to the fans left behind. Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but with anice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. Bill Malson ================= To: Cade D Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 23:03:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Taylor Schock >>> After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best things for OBC going forward. Coincidence the two youngest members are on the same page, maybe, but that=92s besides the point. Maybe, is correct. I'm not by far one of the youngest but with you on this as well. At least something to look into and not just dismiss out of hand. Some though, not as much. It is a struggle right now to get people to keep their "who collects what" selections reasonably up-to-date. Not sure if theRAOK implementation would help that or just be a bigger 'pain' with the same (lack of) results. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Cade D cade_doolittle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:45 AM To: davidluftig@gmail.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best things for OBC going forward. Coincidence the two youngest members are on the samepage, maybe, but that=92s besides the point. I love the idea that all of the servers could be found easily on one singlewebsite, all members could easily access them, if wanted, or ignore them, if they didn=92t want to see them. My favorite part of this idea is that, especially in the thanks forum, the writer of the thanks could easily tag the members he was thanking in his post.. This way said members would be notified that they were mentioned in a thanks posting, but not the entire OBC group is notified. This will make iteasier for the guys like myself that like to make sure my packages get where they are supposed to be going. But don=92t read EVERY SINGLE thanks email.. Another idea that could pair well with a forums based site, may be a littleextreme but, if we could make it work I believe it would make our RAOK=92sso much more efficient. I would love to see a place on the forum page where us members could go and select from drop down boxes or type in manually, the year of the card, manufacturer, card number, subset, and variation if any. After selecting or typing all this information in, the forum would develop a list of everyone in OBC that needed that one specific card. Last but not least after a quick google search there are free forums based sites available, I have never worked with any so who knows whether they would suit our needs or not, but I would be more than willing to pay dues towards a great OBC forums based website, as I believe others would too. I hope to see some forward progress soon. Cade Doolittle Sent from my iPhone On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Please excuse my typos. I also mostly utilize my phone when on OBC. I can'tget my phone to easily zoom in when posting messages to Yahoo and the fontis like -15. David Luftig ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 15:25:11 -0800 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Rick I don't think the question is can we do better, for just about everything in life we can do better. The question is more what's compatible for all from the members using a thirty year old computer with dial up to the twenty five year old that doesn't know what a computer and dial up is and everyone in between. I guess I'm in between with very little knowledge on what's best so I won't give a definitive answer, I'll just sit here on the fence and wait for one of you to push me off when the dust settles. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2017, at 3:03 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > >>> After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best things for OBC going forward. Coincidence the two youngest members are on the same page, maybe, but that=E2=99s besides the point. > Maybe, is correct. I'm not by far one of the youngest but with you on this as well. At least something to look into and not just dismiss out of hand. Some though, not as much. It is a struggle right now to get people to keep their "who collects what" selections reasonably up-to-date. Not sure if the RAOK implementation would help that or just be a bigger 'pain' with the same (lack of) results. > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Cade D cade_doolittle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, November 27, 2017 10:45 AM > To: davidluftig@gmail.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? > After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best things for OBC going forward. Coincidence the two youngest members are on the same page, maybe, but that=E2=99s besides the point. > I love the idea that all of the servers could be found easily on one single website, all members could easily access them, if wanted, or ignore them, if they didn=E2=99t want to see them. > My favorite part of this idea is that, especially in the thanks forum, the writer of the thanks could easily tag the members he was thanking in his post.. This way said members would be notified that they were mentioned in a thanks posting, but not the entire OBC group is notified. This will make it easier for the guys like myself that like to make sure my packages get where they are supposed to be going. But don=E2=99t read EVERY SINGLE thanks > Another idea that could pair well with a forums based site, may be a little extreme but, if we could make it work I believe it would make our RAOK=E2=99s so much more efficient. I would love to see a place on the forumpage where us members could go and select from drop down boxes or type in manually, the year of the card, manufacturer, card number, subset, and variation if any. After selecting or typing all this information in, the forum would develop a list of everyone in OBC that needed that one specific card. > Last but not least after a quick google search there are free forums based sites available, I have never worked with any so who knows whether they would suit our needs or not, but I would be more than willing to pay dues towards a great OBC forums based website, as I believe others would too. > I hope to see some forward progress soon. > Cade Doolittle > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Please excuse my typos. I also mostly utilize my phone when on OBC. I can't get my phone to easily zoom in when posting messages to Yahoo and the font is like -15. >> David Luftig ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:44:39 -0500 To: Rick , Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: JDahms ================= Date: 28 Nov 2017 00:00:43 +0000 To: Subject: 59 Topps baseball waivers- claim away From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:04:11 -0500 To: twbilling@sbcglobal.net, malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: Mike Glasser Great discussion. I happen to love NFL football. My earliest memories of my childhood were of sitting at Memorial Stadium in the snow, drinking hot chocolate with my grandfather and watching Johnny Unitas throw those unbelievable sideline passes to Raymond Berry (did you see the Brown catch last night?) and watchingTom Matte stuff the holes in the middle of the field. Has the game changed? Sure? Have the players changed? Sure? We've had our share of thugs here in Baltimore (Ray Lewis, Ray Rice and oh so many more) and that is a tough pill to swallow for sure. I also like the creative antics and celebrations and I don't see anything wrong with it. I'm not much of an athlete myself and I marvel at how these guys can do this and survive. OBC is great! Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: malsman250 Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 27, 2017 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxuriousstadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=E2=99s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =E2=9CYanks=E2=9D in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one year of non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and becamethe Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. As to Kepernick, why haven=E2=99t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco, which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. Tom Billing On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town without concern to the fans left behind. Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance. As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but with anice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. Bill Malson ================= Date: 28 Nov 2017 00:23:05 +0000 To: Subject: 69-70 Topps basketball tall boys waiver wire From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 19:43:24 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? From: Doug DeJong I tend to agree, and am glad to hear the OBCAC is looking at options. Definitely won't miss it if we leave Yahoo. Personally, I have had a mini-war with Yahoo for some time, as I created a Yahoo account so long ago and never used it they cancelled it, so now I cannot even log in to look at pics, etc, that people send. When I try to recover the password it says the account is closed, but when I try to create a new account I cannot us my old user name because it says it already exists. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 6:03 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > >>> After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best > things for OBC going forward. *Coincidence the two youngest members are > on the same page*, maybe, but that=E2=99s besides the point. > Maybe, is correct. I'm not by far one of the youngest but with you on this > as well. At least something to look into and not just dismiss out of hand. > Some though, not as much. It is a struggle right now to get people to keep > their "who collects what" selections reasonably up-to-date. Not sure if the > RAOK implementation would help that or just be a bigger 'pain' with the > same (lack of) results. > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of Cade D cade_doolittle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, November 27, 2017 10:45 AM > *To:* davidluftig@gmail.com > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Could we do better? > After I gave this some thought, I think it could be one of the best things > for OBC going forward. Coincidence the two youngest members are on the same > page, maybe, but that=E2=99s besides the point. > I love the idea that all of the servers could be found easily on one > single website, all members could easily access them, if wanted, or ignore > them, if they didn=E2=99t want to see them. > My favorite part of this idea is that, especially in the thanks forum, the > writer of the thanks could easily tag the members he was thanking in his > post.. This way said members would be notified that they were mentioned in > a thanks posting, but not the entire OBC group is notified. This will make > it easier for the guys like myself that like to make sure my packages get > where they are supposed to be going. But don=E2=99t read EVERY SINGLE thanks > email.. > Another idea that could pair well with a forums based site, may be a > little extreme but, if we could make it work I believe it would make our > RAOK=E2=99s so much more efficient. I would love to see a place on theforum > page where us members could go and select from drop down boxes or type in > manually, the year of the card, manufacturer, card number, subset, and > variation if any. After selecting or typing all this information in, the > forum would develop a list of everyone in OBC that needed that one specific > card. > Last but not least after a quick google search there are free forums based > sites available, I have never worked with any so who knows whether they > would suit our needs or not, but I would be more than willing to pay dues > towards a great OBC forums based website, as I believe others would too. > I hope to see some forward progress soon. > Cade Doolittle > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 24, 2017, at 5:06 PM, davidluftig@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Please excuse my typos. I also mostly utilize my phone when on OBC. I > can't get my phone to easily zoom in when posting messages to Yahoo and the > font is like -15. > David Luftig ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 20:29:01 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1973 fleer wildest From: Anthony Picked up a few and do not collect them If interested them send my a list and your address Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 01:53:59 +0000 Subject: In the spirit of Non Sports November... From: Taylor Schock Is anyone interested in trading some non-sports sets or starters? I have some 2nd sets in progress as well as a few (though not many) dupe/starter vintage sets, though a lot more non-vintage. Also I would be more than happy to trade some junk-for-junk on the UV front to help us both get rid of the extra or extraneous stuff we might not want. Please respond/email me directly if interested. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 18:02:18 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al From: Rick I too love college and NFL football and agree with Geordie the only thing that will kill the football is player safety. I think a lot of the improvement in safety is actually working against them like so called better helmetsnow they are just weapons. They need to go back to leather helmets then they will have to tackle correctly. All the rules changes to stop injuries isonly changing how injuries are occurring. 180 pound Defensive backs will continue to dive at running backs and receivers legs and injure them cause if they took on 240 pound running backs trying to tackle correctly their careers will be over very quickly also. I don't see a solution or the injuriesslowing down in the future that's why you probably see nfl players not letting their kids play the game. My wife loves football also and is a nurse and her comment is only at leastit's a leg injury instead of a head injury. Since only one percent of us can play any professional sport from football to golf to curling you have to respect their talent and dedication. Geordie as a university of Washington fan we are required to have the university of Oregon as the most hated team in the land. So glad to see you guyson the downward slide the last few years. As for Kapernick and where it has gone I blame the NFL. They can fine or suspend players for anything and I mean anything they have all the power. They get fined for complaining about the referees, wearing different colored socks, wearing beats head phones instead of Bose head phones during warm ups, taping over the Nike logo on their shoes, beating your girlfriend etc. etc. they could have stopped it before it got started if they wanted too and they didn't so I say it's on them. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Nov 27, 2017, at 4:04 PM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Great discussion. > I happen to love NFL football. My earliest memories of my childhood wereof sitting at Memorial Stadium in the snow, drinking hot chocolate with mygrandfather and watching Johnny Unitas throw those unbelievable sideline passes to Raymond Berry (did you see the Brown catch last night?) and watching Tom Matte stuff the holes in the middle of the field. Has the game changed? Sure? Have the players changed? Sure? We've had our share of thugs here in Baltimore (Ray Lewis, Ray Rice and oh so many more) and that is atough pill to swallow for sure. I also like the creative antics and celebrations and I don't see anything wrong with it. > I'm not much of an athlete myself and I marvel at how these guys can do this and survive. > OBC is great! > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: malsman250 > Cc: obc-ramblings > Sent: Mon, Nov 27, 2017 2:07 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kapernick, the NFL, et al > I am with you on these points. I gave up on the NFL when Modell moved the Browns to Baltimore, which feeds into your second paragraph. I also am tired of the extortion that is used as owners tell cities to build a luxurious stadium or they will bolt for someplace that WILL build them a palace. You need a map now to keep up with this. The original Boston Yanks moved to New York in the late 40=E2=99s and became the Bulldoges (since the AAFC team had the name already). They changed to =E2=9CYanks=E2=9D in 1950 after the AAFC folded. In 1952 they moved to Dallas and became the Texans. After one year of non-support there, they moved to Baltimore and became the Colts. At some point later they moved to Indianapolis. This is just one example. The Cardinals and Rams have similar histories. > As to Kepernick, why haven=E2=99t the Browns signed him? Their QB situation reeks. Kapernick is not Unitas but he HAD been successful in San Francisco, which now is #2 in the suck bowl after the Browns. > Tom Billing > On Nov 27, 2017, at 1:32 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A few random comments - All in all, I agreed with Geordie's comments, I think they were right on the button. > As far as the NFL is concerned, I gave up on it a long time ago - of course, I do live near Cleveland, so I have considerable justification. My biggest grievance is the league's willingness to move from town to town withoutconcern to the fans left behind. > Regarding the celebrations - yea, it bugs me - for some reason, the sack and tackle celebrations bug me more than the silly endzone antics. > Kneeling? It was a created controversy. It will pass. > And as far as Kapernick? I have a young mentally challenged acquaintance.As part of a school assignment, he wrote letters to several NFL players. In his letter to Kapernick, he told him that he thought he stinks. But, Kapernick was the only one that responded, not just with an autograph, but witha nice personal letter and a whole box of items. So, he gets a pass from me. > Bill Malson ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 03:35:08 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Update on 1936 Goudey master set From: Matthew Glidden Three more 1936 Goudeys arrived today, including my first Hank Greenberg! I'm up to 74 of 176 (42%) front/back variations expected for a complete master set. There are 25 fronts (players) and 7 different backs per player, with the exception of Bobo Newsom, who has 6 backs, and HOFs Gomez and Klein, who have 8 each. It's been good progress this year, but I expect things will get tougher once I'm over 120 different cards. For people who've collected the set before, did you find one player tougher than any other? Any possible short prints out there? ================= Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 22:55:06 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update on 1936 Goudey master set From: Anson Whaley I looked at this before when I put together my basic set, Matt. I reviewed the PSA pop reports and didn't see any abnormalities there before. Can't speak for SGC or BVG, though. IIRC, the stars had been graded more by PSA but that's common of any set since collectors are more likely to grade the more expensive cards. I never saw any telltale sign that any could have been shortprinted but would love to hear what others have to say. On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Three more 1936 Goudeys arrived today, including my first Hank Greenberg! > I'm up to 74 of 176 (42%) front/back variations expected for a complete > master set. There are 25 fronts (players) and 7 different backs per player, > with the exception of Bobo Newsom, who has 6 backs, and HOFs Gomez and > Klein, who have 8 each. It's been good progress this year, but I expect > things will get tougher once I'm over 120 different cards. > For people who've collected the set before, did you find one player > tougher than any other? Any possible short prints out there? > Spike ================= To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 04:05:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Re: WAuction #13 results From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 02:07:08 -0500 Subject: 1953 Topps From: "Sal Domino" Anyone interested in splitting this lot? I only need 39 of the 84. Maybe it can be gotten for $50 shipped. https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Topps-Baseball-Lot-84-cards-CONDITIONS-RANGE-F Sal Domino OBC - 1992 https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 11:21:18 +0000 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update on 1936 Goudey master set From: Matthew Glidden Thanks Anson, I've tried to figure the 1936 Goudey front/back sheet layout without sure success and any player quantity variations would help. The 1935 Knot Hole League game set introduced Goudey's game-back style and used a single 4x6, 24-count sheet for its 24 cards. Goudey then reused all of its 24 game backs for the 1936 black & white set, but added one new game back to match the 25-player checklist, so *could've* been a 5x5 sheet with multiple back combos. Two stars, Lefty Gomez and Chuck Klein, are known to have "extra" game backs (8 instead of 7 for most players), and Bobo Newsom has one less (6). The new game back also appears on 8 players instead of 7. It's possible this "new" game back, which Gomez and Klein both have, got its own 4x6 sheets, with Goudey swapping out one Bobo Newsom combo. If the Goudey master set does contain 176 cards, that could be seven "normal" 24-count sheets that use the same backs as Knot Hole League and one sheet for the "new" back and its 8 players: Bonura, Bordagaray, Castleman, Cochrane, Derringer, Gomez, Klein, and Vosmik. As for Bobo Newsom being left off, there's one card back shared by Gomez/Klein that doesn't have Newsom. Goudey could've replaced him for those backs, thinking kids would enjoy having two future Hall of Famers instead of a guy on Bill James' "coulda been" list. :-) https://www.billjamesonline.com/the_could_be_hall_of_famers/ On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:55 PM Anson Whaley wrote: > I looked at this before when I put together my basic set, Matt. I reviewed > the PSA pop reports and didn't see any abnormalities there before. Can't > speak for SGC or BVG, though. IIRC, the stars had been graded more by PSA > but that's common of any set since collectors are more likely to grade the > more expensive cards. > I never saw any telltale sign that any could have been shortprinted but > would love to hear what others have to say. > Anson > > www.avast.com > > <#m_6463492067932432956_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > On Mon, Nov 27, 2017 at 10:35 PM, Matthew Glidden > glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Three more 1936 Goudeys arrived today, including my first Hank Greenberg! >> I'm up to 74 of 176 (42%) front/back variations expected for a complete >> master set. There are 25 fronts (players) and 7 different backs per player, >> with the exception of Bobo Newsom, who has 6 backs, and HOFs Gomez and >> Klein, who have 8 each. It's been good progress this year, but I expect >> things will get tougher once I'm over 120 different cards. >> For people who've collected the set before, did you find one player >> tougher than any other? Any possible short prints out there? >> Spike ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:28:32 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps From: "Thomas W. Billing" I would. You keep what you need and sell me the rest. Thanks Tom Billing Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2017, at 2:07 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Anyone interested in splitting this lot? I only need 39 of the 84. Maybe it can be gotten for $50 shipped=E2=A6 > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Topps-Baseball-Lot-84-cards-CONDITIONS-RANGE-FROM-P-G-VG-VG-EX-EX/263345038110?hashitem3d5096631e:g:SnUAAOSwvR5aGnR= > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 10:37:09 -0500 To: Sal Domino Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps From: "Thomas W. Billing" As mentioned that I would do this but, if a member really NEEDS these cards, I will step aside gladly. This is my second-favorite set and I would addthem to my extras since I have the whole set already. Feel free to tell me to back off. Tom Billing > On Nov 28, 2017, at 2:07 AM, 'Sal Domino' ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Anyone interested in splitting this lot? I only need 39 of the 84. Maybe it can be gotten for $50 shipped=E2=A6 > https://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-Topps-Baseball-Lot-84-cards-CONDITIONS-RANGE-FROM-P-G-VG-VG-EX-EX/263345038110?hashitem3d5096631e:g:SnUAAOSwvR5aGnR= A Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: 28 Nov 2017 17:47:38 +0000 To: Subject: The Baseball Hobbyist From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 18:03:21 +0000 (UTC) To: "Rich, Mike" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist From: mark_macrae@comcast.net The Baseball Hobbyist is Steve Mitchell's store. Steve has been in the hobby since the 50's and is still active (up until 3 weeks ago when I saw him in Washington). Honest as the day is long and very fair to deal with...Postage is one of those hard bullets to bite, and there really is no way around it for single items, but he will combine to try and make things more tolerant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:47:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist Does anyone ever order anything from the Baseball Hobbyist store? They havea lot of interesting items at fair prices. At present I only want to ordera single item for $2.12, and cannot justify the $2.85 in postage and handling for a single card. They combine shipping for all single cards. If anyone else is interested in ordering from them, please let me know. Link to their store is below. One of the things I feared when I first stopped working is that I would spend all day on Ebay. I have done real well staying off Ebay, until the last week. I still have not gone crazy, but have actually purchased a few things. When received, one base set should be finished (1948 Kellogg's Pep sportsplayers) and another set down to 1 (1937 Diamond Matchbooks Team on back).Add to that a type card (1937 Dixie Lids). Not bad for a combined $13.59, including postage. Jason Christopherson recently got me started on 1972 TCMA 1922 E121 American Caramels. The set is not the same as the regular American Caramel set, and we do not have a checklist for them yet. That did not stop me from buying a group lot of 97 that I am waiting on. Mike Rich http://stores.ebay.com/thebaseballhobbyistandgram/ ================= Date: 28 Nov 2017 18:27:01 +0000 To: Subject: Tuesday From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:54:21 +0000 Subject: shipping 660 cards? From: Aaron Shirley In your experience, what's the best / most affordable / safest way to ship 660 Medium flat rate priority is $13.60. Can I beat that? It looks like maybe the Regional Rate boxes could be better, depending on the zone difference. Just looking for some input from the card-sending experts. Thanks for any helpful insights. ================= To: Aaron Shirley Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 19:56:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 15:00:24 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? From: Anson Whaley Hey Aaron - it all depends where you're shipping. If pretty close, you can probably beat that rate. The further away the recipient, the tougher it will be. Your best bet will be to pack them up first and then check via the USPS site by entering a specific weight and zip code. If it ends up being too high, you can simply drop the package in a medium flat rate and go that The flat rate boxes are nice because they also come with $50 of insurance. Non-flat rate packages come with tracking, I believe, but not the insurance. So if you wanted to insure it, you'd need to account for that, On Tue, Nov 28, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > In your experience, what's the best / most affordable / safest way to ship > 660 cards? > Medium flat rate priority is $13.60. Can I beat that? > It looks like maybe the Regional Rate boxes could be better, depending on > the zone difference. > Just looking for some input from the card-sending experts. > Thanks for any helpful insights. > Aaron ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 15:21:39 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com It may depend in part on the distance being shipped. UPS and FedEx have a ground service that is based upon size, weight and distance. So if you areshipping relatively nearby (a couple hundred mile radius usually) the costcan be less. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 28, 2017 2:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? In your experience, what's the best / most affordable / safest way to ship 660 Medium flat rate priority is $13.60. Can I beat that? It looks like maybe the Regional Rate boxes could be better, depending on the zone difference. Just looking for some input from the card-sending experts. Thanks for any helpful insights. ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Aaron Shirley Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:24:11 +0000 Subject: Re: shipping 660 cards? From: Mac Wubben One option I discovered recently is the priority mail padded envelope. Packed right, it probably could hold 660 cards and would cost $7.xx to mail anywhere. The envelopes themselves are kind of hard to find, but if your po doesn't carry them, they will deliver to your house for free. Good luck, From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:54 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? In your experience, what's the best / most affordable / safest way to ship 660 Medium flat rate priority is $13.60. Can I beat that? It looks like maybe the Regional Rate boxes could be better, depending on the zone difference. Just looking for some input from the card-sending experts. Thanks for any helpful insights. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 15:28:24 -0500 To: MARK_MACRAE@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Their prices do seem reasonable. I am funny in that I try to set a costlimit for items. Sometimes it can be big $ for a Goudey Ruth and cards ofthat ilk, down to something I expect to pay only a dime for. In this instance, I am fine with spending the $2.12, for a card that I expected to findfor $1.00. I just cannot justify spending an additional $2.85 for this $1.00 card (in my mind). The funny part is the card would finish an obscure set that I have not found for a few years and I am still not willing to paythe few extra $. It is not the cost but the principal. Go figure. I was also told you might have had some of the 1972 TCMA E121s recently.Any chance you have a checklist for the set? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: MARK_MACRAE To: Rich, Mike Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 28, 2017 2:44 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist The Baseball Hobbyist is Steve Mitchell's store. Steve has been in the hobby since the 50's and is still active (up until 3 weeks ago when I saw him in Washington). Honest as the day is long and very fair to deal with...Postage is one of those hard bullets to bite, and there really is no way around it for single items, but he will combine to try and make things more tolerant. From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 9:47:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Baseball Hobbyist Does anyone ever order anything from the Baseball Hobbyist store? They have a lot of interesting items at fair prices. At present I only want to order a single item for $2.12, and cannot justify the $2.85 in postage and handling for a single card. They combine shipping for all single cards. If anyone else is interested in ordering from them, please let me know. Link to their store is below. One of the things I feared when I first stopped working is that I would spend all day on Ebay. I have done real well staying off Ebay, until the last week. I still have not gone crazy, but have actually purchased a few things. When received, one base set should be finished (1948 Kellogg's Pep sports players) and another set down to 1 (1937 Diamond Matchbooks Team on back). Add to that a type card (1937 Dixie Lids). Not bad for a combined $13.59, including postage. Jason Christopherson recently got me started on 1972 TCMA 1922 E121 American Caramels. The set is not the same as the regular American Caramel set, and we do not have a checklist for them yet. That did not stop me from buying a group lot of 97 that I am waiting on. Mike Rich http://stores.ebay.com/thebaseballhobbyistandgram/ ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Aaron Shirley Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:55:41 +0000 Subject: Re: shipping 660 cards? From: Taylor Schock Depending on how you package them, you might be able to fit them into a Flat Rate ENVELOPE for about $7 (regular or legal size). I've done it before but don't remember if it was only a 400 count box or a 660 one. As long as the envelope can be closed, whatever you can put in is allowed. I usually add tape to mine to help reinforce the seal, but as long as it's closed like the envelope seal (without extending the the seal beyond it's actually reach), it's fine. This was told to me by a postal employee, who actually endedup stuffing my box in one herself. Along this line, you might consider putting the cards in old pages (trimming the tabs with the holes) and shippingin an envelope. If you put 4 cards per pocket, it'll take 18 pages (with acouple extra cards). They might fit that way. If you really don't care about condition, you might be able to 'bag' them in a similar fashion WITHOUT the pages. Bottom line though, I believe you can fit this many cards in a flat rate envelope. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 2:54 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? In your experience, what's the best / most affordable / safest way to ship 660 Medium flat rate priority is $13.60. Can I beat that? It looks like maybe the Regional Rate boxes could be better, depending on the zone difference. Just looking for some input from the card-sending experts. Thanks for any helpful insights. ================= To: JAY TYSVER , Aaron Shirley Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 17:48:57 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? From: Yaz Not free. Pigeon feed. Greg (yaz) On 11/28/2017 1:56 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Carrier pigeon is free. > Jay Tysver > On Nov 28, 2017, at 1:54 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: >> In your experience, what's the best / most affordable / safest way to >> ship 660 cards? >> Medium flat rate priority is $13.60. Can I beat that? >> It looks like maybe the Regional Rate boxes could be better, >> depending on the zone difference. >> Just looking for some input from the card-sending experts. >> Thanks for any helpful insights. >> Aaron ================= To: "yazobc@gmail.com" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 00:07:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] shipping 660 cards? From: Aaron Shirley ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Dealer Scum Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:30:52 +0000 Subject: 1975 TOPPS SET AUCTION From: Aaron Shirley Up for bids is ONE COMPLETE 1975 TOPPS SET, 660 cards. ITEM DETAILS: - This is the end result of Kent Goto's 1975 Topps x9 set quest. He sent ithome with me from the National. - What you are bidding on today is THE BEST ONE of nine complete sets. See below for info on the other eight. - There were over 10,000 total cards in this project, which means there were 20+ of some cards to choose from. You get the BEST of all 660 painstakingcomparisons. I checked for and took into account writing, creases, corner wear, paper loss, bite marks, pinholes, wax stains, water damage, 'diamond-cut' shapes, centering, photo focus and simple eye appeal. This set suffersfrom almost none of those issues. A lot of very nice cards. - Please note the pictures below. Email or text if you cannot view the pics, or want to see a certain additional card (within reason - I'm a volunteer). - Also worth noting is that while Kent had OBC send in tons of cards to help with the quest, at the end he procured quite a few of the major star cards all at once to finish up. I say that to make the point that these aren't all "OBC quality," if you take my meaning. AUCTION DETAILS: - The bidding starts at $1 as soon as you read this. Bid early and often. - Bidding ends at 11:00 PM Eastern time on Saturday, December 9th. - Bids can be sent several ways: ----- directly to me at uthminsta@hotmail.com ----- via a post on the OBC Facebook page. You can join by clicking: https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldbaseballcards/ ----- text 618-509-3600 to bid or request the current high bid. Please DO NOT - A daily update will be posted on the Dealer Scum server, and a couple extra notices will be sent out within the final 24 hours. - This is to put funds aside for 'scholarships' to the National and other such benevolent endeavors as the Advisory Committee deems worthy. PAYMENT DETAILS: - Shipping and insurance is included in your bid. Canadian and Scottish members, please help me out and do the research on what it will cost to ship to you. We're looking at a box that weighs about three pounds. - Fee-free PayPal is preferred and will expedite you getting your cards. Check or money order are accepted. Make payments to me and when it is received / clears, I will ship. If mailing your payment, you need to do it immediately after the auction ends, as I will be away from home for much of the end of the year. - All remaining funds - ALL THE PROFIT - will then be given to the OBC account, for use at the Advisory Committee's discretion as noted above. THE REST OF THE SETS: - At the conclusion of this single auction, the remaining eight complete sets will be made available simultaneously, at fixed prices, and at incremental discounts to the amount of the first set. - There will also be a NEAR SET (we'll call this #10), and depending on interest, a PARTIAL SET (#11). Many of the stars will be included, and noted in the item descriptions. - Pictures will be available for these sets / near sets as well. - These sets (as well as this auction) will be on the Dealer Scum server, so if you are not subscribed to that, go there now and request to join! https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-DealerScum/info If you have any questions, others probably do too. So ask away! And start bidding! Thanks OBC Aaron Shirley ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Dealer Scum Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 02:50:47 +0000 Subject: PICS for 1975 TOPPS SET AUCTION From: Aaron Shirley Here are the pics! ================= Date: 29 Nov 2017 03:59:48 +0000 To: Subject: Looking for some RCs From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 28 Nov 2017 22:29:33 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 53 mantle From: Rick My topps run is at three and clearly I'll never buy a 52 so Thinking of buying a 53 topps mantle anyone have one for sale? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 06:43:10 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some RCs From: richard dingman I have a much easier time checking my dupes box if I know what numbers to look Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of wmcashton@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2017 10:59 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some RCs I still have some nice prewar HOF cards to trade for these Rookie Cards in goodish 1954 Ernie Banks 1957 Jim Bunning 1967 Rod Carew 1976 Dennis Eckersley 1969 Rollie Fingers 1959 Bob Gibson 1966 Fergie Jenkins 1961 Juan Marichal 1960 Willie McCovey 1964 Phil Niekro 1965 Tony Perez 1957 Brooks Robinson 1957 Frank Robinson 1973 Mike Schmidt 1967 Tom Seaver 1963 Willie Stargell 1966 Don Sutton 1960 Carl Tastrzemski If you can help with any, let me know. Thanks!!!!! Bill Ashton ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:48:47 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Hockey cards From: Nick Covello Hi Everyone:Getting close to completing some 70's Topps Hockey sets, pleaselet me know if you can help me out with any of these sets, if you need anyHockey cards from 1973-75 I have about 500 to offer, thanks for checking. Nick Covello Hockey wantlist 1970/71 Topps: 1-8, 10-20, 23, 26-32, 34-36, 38-40, 43-48, 50-55, 57-59, 61-65, 67, 68, 70-74, 77, 78, 80, 83, 84, 87, 96, 105-108, 110, 114-116, 118-120, 123-126, 128, 129, 131, 132 1971/72 Topps: 1, 5, 7, 12, 13, 15, 17, 20, 26-28, 31, 33, 35-37, 43-46, 50, 52, 54, 55, 57, 59, 60, 65, 73, 80, 83, 89, 90, 92, 94, 95, 100, 102, 105, 108-111, 114, 118, 122, 123, 125, 131, 132 1972/73 Topps: 1-4, 7, 8, 10, 12-14, 17, 18, 20, 23, 24, 28-31, 34, 37, 44-47, 49, 50, 56, 61, 62, 64, 66, 68, 70, 72, 74, 76, 77, 79, 80, 83, 85, 87,90, 92, 93, 100, 109-111, 113, 115, 116, 119, 120, 122-127, 131, 137, 138,141,145, 148-150, 152, 153, 157, 159-161, 169, 171 1974/75 Topps: 2, 28, 100, 130, 135 1975/76 Topps: 9, 10, 25, 35, 55, 73, 81-83, 85, 91, 94-96, 99, 100, 114, 126, 140, 144, 145, 147, 160, 189, 200, 208-211,223, 226, 240, 241, 250,267, 275, 286-288, 290, 292, 300, 314 1976/77 Topps: 1, 3-6, 9, 10, 12-17, 19, 22, 24, 28, 31, 37, 38, 40, 43-45,47, 51, 52, 57, 61, 62, 65, 69-71, 74-77, 81, 85, 89, 100, 101, 103, 105, 107, 108, 110, 115, 123, 124, 128, 130, 138, 143, 144, 148, 153, 156, 159, 163, 165-170, 172, 175-179, 183, 186, 187, 189-191, 193, 205, 208, 213, 214, 217-220, 222, 224, 229, 233, 234, 236, 244, 247, 249-251, 253-255, 257, 259-262 1977/78 Topps: 43, 80, 81, 152, 160, 170, 171, 249, 260 1978/79 Topps:67, 70, 120, 195, 197, 203, 205 1979/80 Topps: 1, 3-6, 12, 13, 17, 18, 22, 26, 27, 33, 36-38, 40, 43, 44, 46, 48, 54, 56, 58, 67, 70, 80, 81, 83, 88, 93, 98, 100, 105, 106, 109, 110,118, 119, 121, 122, 124-128, 132, 138, 145, 150, 155, 156, 160, 161, 163, 170, 171, 173, 175, 180, 182-185, 189, 191-193, 195, 198, 200, 201, 204, 206, 213, 214, 220, 224-226, 231, 245, 247, 249, 251, 252, 255-257, 262 ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:37:40 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Disappearing WL's From: chris tripler I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm running into several missing WL's from the OBC website.If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 11:53:07 -0700 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Disappearing WL's From: Geno Wagner Trip =E2=94 Just so you know, if you click on Wantlist and nothing happens, it=E2=99s probably because our lists are hosted on Google sites, which don=E2=99t work with the OBC site for some reason. If you right click, open in new tab, it will open. Take Care, Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2017, at 11:37 AM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. > If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. > Cheers, > Trip ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:13:10 -0500 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: Disappearing WL's From: Wayne Delia The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page instead of the right-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long to smoke this out. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler wrote: > I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm > running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. > If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. > Cheers, > Trip ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 15:41:31 -0500 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: Disappearing WL's From: Wayne Delia All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual. The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side, and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com. There are 19 guys in the group who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usually good enough for now. Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited number of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is redsox3.oldbaseball.com. These free subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com, or any other external web site. We need to let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can have one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia > The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on > sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page > instead of the right-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason > it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long > to smoke this out. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler > wrote: >> I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm >> running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. >> If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. >> Cheers, >> Trip ================= Date: 29 Nov 2017 20:48:44 +0000 To: Subject: Wednesday From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 14:03:23 -0700 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: Marshall West Don=E2=99t forget me! I=E2=99ll buy Wayne 2 beers=E2=A6. Marshall West > On Nov 29, 2017, at 1:44 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Some day, I hope to buy Wayne beers, sitting at a ball game... > Take Care, > Geno > From: "Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: chris tripler > > Cc: OBC Ramblings > > Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 1:41 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's > All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual. > The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side,and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com . There are 19 guys in the group who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usually good enough for now. > Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited numberof personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is redsox3.oldbaseball.com . These free subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com , or any other external web site. We need to let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can have one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia > > The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on sites.google.com , and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page instead of the right-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long to smoke this out. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler > > I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. > If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. > Cheers, > Trip ================= To: "'Wayne Delia'" , Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 13:06:40 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: "Grant Rainsley" Yeah, I was wondering if the =E2=9Cdefault content target parameter=E2=9D might be the problem=E2=A6=E2=A6..NOTTTT! (I=E2=99ll buy the smokies!) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 29, 2017 12:42 PM To: chris tripler Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual. The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side, and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com. There are 19 guys in thegroup who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usually goodenough for now. Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited number of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is redsox3.oldbaseball.com. These free subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com, or any other external web site. We need to let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can have one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia wrote: The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page instead of theright-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long to smoke this On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler wrote: I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. http://www.avg.com ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 21:21:07 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Strat-O-Matic (SOM) Baseball From: Jerry Coker Not sure if any of you still might play SOM baseball like me ... but I posted a thread to a Strat-O-Matic Forum today about my ongoing 1908 NY Giants replay. I thought you guys might appreciate it too. My wife appreciates it a little bit (plus my card collecting) ... but probably not as much as someof you fellow pre-war collectors :-) Also ... it's been quite awhile sinceI posted a ramble. So here goes :-) I'm replaying the NY Giants 1908 season as played computer. I use G.H. Flemings "The Unforgettable Season" as a reference since it's basically a day by day record of all the Giants games during the 1908 season ... as seen through the eyes of the NY and other NL city newspaper writers. So it reads kind of like a diary. At the end of each of my SOM games I read about what really happened that day ... in real life ... during the Giants games. So today I noticed Larry Doyle was not in the SOM starting lineup at 2nd base forthe Giants. I usually go with the as played starting lineups that McGraw used since this is an as played replay. Unless I really feel strongly about benching or not benching a player. In this case I debated pretty hardbefore playing the game since I like Doyle as a hitter (good batting pop for a 2nd basemen during that era). But I went ahead and left him out of thelineup today (like McGraw) since he hasn't been hitting for me lately. Sammy Strang was his replacement at 2nd base (Strang hit around .094 in 1908 but walked a good bit and was a good stealer ... but terrible defensively ... like a lot of DB Era players ... including Doyle). So Strang goes 0-3 with two walks, steals a base, scores a run, executes the hit/run and doesn't commit an error (I love the Deadball Era :-) Anyway ... after the game I read in Fleming's book that the reason Doyle didn't play that day was becausethat Doyle failed to use or understand the hand signals (sign language) that the NY Giants team used when "Dummy" Taylor pitched (Taylor was the Giants deaf/mute pitcher) ... so McGraw benched him. Actually ... the Giants used sign language even when Taylor didn't pitch since they could use hand signals for play calling ... which McGraw felt was an advantage for his team.1908 was Doyle's first full season with the Giants. So I can see where learning the hand signals would be pretty difficult. Particularly early in theseason. Anyway ... I'm really liking this 1908 SOM replay. The Giants and all the other Deadball Era players were really characters. So fun to be reading about them and learning the history of this era and the players while I do my replay. Can't wait till the Giants play the Cubs (Tinker, Evers, Chance, Brown ...) later this week!PS: "Crazy 08" (book) is a good readtoo! Plus I skim the NY Tribune daily after each game (free online - LOC).Amazing how many traffic accidents and suicides (booze?) occurred in NY city in 1908. Horses/carriages, cars, trolley's, pedestrians (dodgers!) etc. just weren't a good mix on the city streets ... I guess. And Teddy Roosevelt just doesn't want to run for another term as president (something he willdeeply regret a few years later). Just wanted to share :-) Jerry Coker ================= To: Grant Rainsley , 'Wayne Delia' , Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:23:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: ED SCHOTT I know I feel a little dumber now On 11/29/2017 4:06 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] > Yeah, I was wondering if the “default content target parameter” might > be the problem……..NOTTTT! > (I’ll buy the smokies!) > Grant > *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Wayne Delia > wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* November 29, 2017 12:42 PM > *To:* chris tripler > *Cc:* OBC Ramblings > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's > All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that > we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I > explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's > all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual. > The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left > side, and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on > the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the > main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com > . There are 19 guys in the group who have > their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by > themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usually > good enough for now. > Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited > number of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is > redsox3.oldbaseball.com . These free > subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com > , or any other external web site. We need to > let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can > have one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't > be stored on them. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia > wrote: > The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on > sites.google.com , and automatically redirect > them to a full-screen page instead of the right-side content frame of > the OBC website. For some reason it's not doing that now... I'm > looking at it and it shouldn't take too long to smoke this out. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler > wrote: > I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm > running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. > If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. > Cheers, > Trip > > Virus-free. www.avg.com > > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:43:28 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: Ken M I think Wayne made it up. In fact, I took my car in for an oil change today and the guy said I also needed my default content target parameter adjusted. Only cost me an extra thirty bucks. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 4:23 PMTo: Grant Rainsley;'Wayne Delia';'chris tripler';Cc: 'OBC Ramblings';Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's I know I feel a little dumber now On 11/29/2017 4:06 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Yeah, I was wondering if the “default content target parameter” might be the problem……..NOTTTT!   (I’ll buy the smokies!)   Grant   From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 29, 2017 12:42 PM To: chris tripler Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's     All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual.    The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side, and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com. There are 19 guys in the group who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usually good enough for now.    Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited number of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is redsox3.oldbaseball.com. These free subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com, or any other external web site. We need to let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can have one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them.    Best, WMD   On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia wrote: The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page instead of the right-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long to smoke this out.    Best, WMD   On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler wrote: I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm running into several missing WL's from the OBC website.  ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 16:45:58 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: Joel Freedman one does not need to buy Wayne any beer, all ya have to do is find him a ship load of scheds! On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I think Wayne made it up. In fact, I took my car in for an oil change > today and the guy said I also needed my default content target parameter > adjusted. Only cost me an extra thirty bucks. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > http://kenmorganti.weebly.com > ------ Original message------ > *From: *ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net <+easchott@comcast.net> > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Date: *Wed, Nov 29, 2017 4:23 PM > *To: *Grant Rainsley;'Wayne Delia';'chris tripler'; > *Cc: *'OBC Ramblings'; > *Subject:*Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's > I know I feel a little dumber now br> > On 11/29/2017 4:06 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Yeah, I was wondering if the =E2=9Cdefault content target parameter=E2=9D might be > the problem=E2=A6=E2=A6..NOTTTT! > (I=E2=99ll buy the smokies!) > Grant > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Wayne > Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* November 29, 2017 12:42 PM > *To:* chris tripler > *Cc:* OBC Ramblings > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's > All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we > didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly > coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. > Let me know directly if you see anything unusual. > The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side, > and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC > server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content > area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com. There are 19 guys > in the group who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages > all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usuall > y good enough for now. > Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited number > of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is > redsox3.oldbaseball.com. These free subdomains could replace the need for > sites.google.com, or any other external web site. We need to let the > OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can ha ve one of > these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia a>> wrote: > The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on > sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page > instead of the right-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason > it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long > to smoke this out. > Best, > WMD > On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler > wrote: > I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm > running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:52:16 -0500 To: Jerry Coker Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strat-O-Matic (SOM) Baseball From: Andy Huntoon "Crazy '08" was a great read as Jerry said. All about the '08 season and the NY Giants/Cubs/Pirates pennant battle. This season included the Merkle Boner game as well. That's a good story by itself for those who are unfamiliar with it. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 29, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Jerry Coker obcbeatle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not sure if any of you still might play SOM baseball like me ... but I posted a thread to a Strat-O-Matic Forum today about my ongoing 1908 NY Giants replay. I thought you guys might appreciate it too. My wife appreciates it a little bit (plus my card collecting) ... but probably not as much as some of you fellow pre-war collectors :-) Also ... it's been quite awhile since I posted a ramble. So here goes :-) > I'm replaying the NY Giants 1908 season as played computer. I use G.H. Flemings "The Unforgettable Season" as a reference since it's basically a dayby day record of all the Giants games during the 1908 season ... as seen through the eyes of the NY and other NL city newspaper writers. So it reads kind of like a diary. At the end of each of my SOM games I read about what really happened that day ... in real life ... during the Giants games. So today I noticed Larry Doyle was not in the SOM starting lineup at 2nd base for the Giants. I usually go with the as played starting lineups that McGrawused since this is an as played replay. Unless I really feel strongly about benching or not benching a player. In this case I debated pretty hard before playing the game since I like Doyle as a hitter (good batting pop for a 2nd basemen during that era). But I went ahead and left him out of the lineup today (like McGraw) since he hasn't been hitting for me lately. Sammy Strang was his replacement at 2nd base (Strang hit around .094 in 1908 but walked a good bit and was a good stealer ... but terrible defensively ... like a lot of DB Era players ... including Doyle). So Strang goes 0-3 with two walks, steals a base, scores a run, executes the hit/run and doesn't commit an error (I love the Deadball Era :-) Anyway ... after the game I read in Fleming's book that the reason Doyle didn't play that day was because that Doyle failed to use or understand the hand signals (sign language) that the NY Giants team used when "Dummy" Taylor pitched (Taylor was the Giants deaf/mute pitcher) ... so McGraw benched him. Actually ... the Giants used sign language even when Taylor didn't pitch since they could use hand signals for play calling ... which McGraw felt was an advantage for his team. 1908 was Doyle's first full season with the Giants. So I can see where learning the hand signals would be pretty difficult. Particularly early in the season. Anyway ... I'm really liking this 1908 SOM replay. The Giants and allthe other Deadball Era players were really characters. So fun to be reading about them and learning the history of this era and the players while I do my replay. Can't wait till the Giants play the Cubs (Tinker, Evers, Chance, Brown ...) later this week! > PS: "Crazy 08" (book) is a good read too! Plus I skim the NY Tribune daily after each game (free online - LOC). Amazing how many traffic accidents and suicides (booze?) occurred in NY city in 1908. Horses/carriages, cars, trolley's, pedestrians (dodgers!) etc. just weren't a good mix on the city streets ... I guess. And Teddy Roosevelt just doesn't want to run for another term as president (something he will deeply regret a few years later). Just wanted to share :-) > Jerry Coker ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 18:25:10 -0500 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: I think my accout hasbeen hacked? From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, I am just checking to see if anyone is receiving any emails to open a file from me? If so, this is not me and do not open it and please let me know Kevin Martens ================= Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2017 17:04:10 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: Ken M Actually, in this instance I'm going to buy Wayne a root beer poured into a square glass. Ken M - the math geeks will appreciate that one Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: Joel Freedman Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 4:46 PMTo: Ken M;Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's one does not need to buy Wayne any beer, all ya have to do is find him a ship load of scheds! On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 4:43 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   I think Wayne made it up. In fact, I took my car in for an oil change today and the guy said I also needed my default content target parameter adjusted. Only cost me an extra thirty bucks. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. http://kenmorganti.weebly.com ------ Original message------From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2017 4:23 PMTo: Grant Rainsley;'Wayne Delia';'chris tripler';Cc: 'OBC Ramblings';Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's I know I feel a little dumber now br> On 11/29/2017 4:06 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Yeah, I was wondering if the “default content target parameter” might be the problem……..NOTTTT!   (I’ll buy the smokies!)   Grant   From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 29, 2017 12:42 PM To: chris tripler Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's     All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual.    The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side, and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com. There are 19 guys in the group who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usuall y good enough for now.    Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited number of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is redsox3.oldbaseball.com. These free subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com, or any other external web site. We need to let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can ha ve one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them.    Best, WMD   On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia > wrote: The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page instead of the right-side conte ================= To: Jerry Coker , Andy Huntoon Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:17:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strat-O-Matic (SOM) Baseball From: Taylor Schock PLUS ONE on Crazy '08. I read it a few years back and it is one of my faves. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 5:52 PM To: Jerry Coker Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strat-O-Matic (SOM) Baseball "Crazy '08" was a great read as Jerry said. All about the '08 season and the NY Giants/Cubs/Pirates pennant battle. This season included the Merkle Boner game as well. That's a good story by itself for those who are unfamiliar with it. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone On Nov 29, 2017, at 4:21 PM, Jerry Coker obcbeatle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Not sure if any of you still might play SOM baseball like me ... but I posted a thread to a Strat-O-Matic Forum today about my ongoing 1908 NY Giants replay. I thought you guys might appreciate it too. My wife appreciates it a little bit (plus my card collecting) ... but probably not as much as someof you fellow pre-war collectors :-) Also ... it's been quite awhile sinceI posted a ramble. So here goes :-) I'm replaying the NY Giants 1908 season as played computer. I use G.H. Flemings "The Unforgettable Season" as a reference since it's basically a day by day record of all the Giants games during the 1908 season ... as seen through the eyes of the NY and other NL city newspaper writers. So it reads kind of like a diary. At the end of each of my SOM games I read about what really happened that day ... in real life ... during the Giants games. So today I noticed Larry Doyle was not in the SOM starting lineup at 2nd base forthe Giants. I usually go with the as played starting lineups that McGraw used since this is an as played replay. Unless I really feel strongly about benching or not benching a player. In this case I debated pretty hard before playing the game since I like Doyle as a hitter (good batting pop for a 2nd basemen during that era). But I went ahead and left him out of the lineup today (like McGraw) since he hasn't been hitting for me lately. Sammy Strang was his replacement at 2nd base (Strang hit around .094 in 1908 but walked a good bit and was a good stealer ... but terrible defensively ... like a lot of DB Era players ... including Doyle). So Strang goes 0-3 with twowalks, steals a base, scores a run, executes the hit/run and doesn't commit an error (I love the Deadball Era :-) Anyway ... after the game I read inFleming's book that the reason Doyle didn't play that day was because thatDoyle failed to use or understand the hand signals (sign language) that the NY Giants team used when "Dummy" Taylor pitched (Taylor was the Giants deaf/mute pitcher) ... so McGraw benched him. Actually ... the Giants used sign language even when Taylor didn't pitch since they could use hand signalsfor play calling ... which McGraw felt was an advantage for his team. 1908was Doyle's first full season with the Giants. So I can see where learningthe hand signals would be pretty difficult. Particularly early in the season. Anyway ... I'm really liking this 1908 SOM replay. The Giants and all the other Deadball Era players were really characters. So fun to be reading about them and learning the history of this era and the players while I do my replay. Can't wait till the Giants play the Cubs (Tinker, Evers, Chance,Brown ...) later this week! PS: "Crazy 08" (book) is a good read too! Plus I skim the NY Tribune daily after each game (free online - LOC). Amazing how many traffic accidents andsuicides (booze?) occurred in NY city in 1908. Horses/carriages, cars, trolley's, pedestrians (dodgers!) etc. just weren't a good mix on the city streets ... I guess. And Teddy Roosevelt just doesn't want to run for another term as president (something he will deeply regret a few years later). Justwanted to share :-) Jerry Coker ================= To: 'Wayne Delia' , 'chris tripler' Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 01:19:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's From: Taylor Schock Default Content Target Parameter was my nickname in college. But most just called me DCTP (pronounced, well... you can guess). From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2017 4:06 PM To: 'Wayne Delia'; 'chris tripler' Cc: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's Yeah, I was wondering if the =93default content target parameter=94 might be the problem=85=85..NOTTTT! (I=92ll buy the smokies!) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Delia wayne.m.delia@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: November 29, 2017 12:42 PM To: chris tripler Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Disappearing WL's All done, all good. There was a default content target parameter that we didn't have to specify when we were on Network Solutions, so I explicitly coded it into the Directory program and it seems like it's all fixed now. Let me know directly if you see anything unusual. The OBC site initially loads with a navigation panel along the left side, and the main content area on the right. The want lists hosted on the OBC server, and most other external web sites, all show up in the main content area, except for anything stored on sites.google.com.There are 19 guys in the group who have their web sites there. I can display the Google pages all by themselves but we lose the left side navigation pane. That's usually good enough for now. Google Sites Thinking of creating a website? Google Sites is a free and easy way to create and share webpages. Once again, with the new ISP (HostGator), we can have an unlimited number of personalized web sites, for example, the one I'm using is redsox3.oldbaseball.com. These free subdomains could replace the need for sites.google.com, or any other external web site. We need to let the OBC/AC talk about this, to figure out a policy for who can have one of these personalized sites, and what content can and can't be stored on them. Google Sites Thinking of creating a website? Google Sites is a free and easy way to create and share webpages. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Wayne Delia > The Directory program is supposed to detect web sites hosted on sites.google.com, and automatically redirect them to a full-screen page instead of the right-side content frame of the OBC website. For some reason it's not doing that now... I'm looking at it and it shouldn't take too long to smoke this out. On Wed, Nov 29, 2017 at 1:37 PM, chris tripler > I'm in the midst of my massive full OBC Holiday card send-off, but I'm running into several missing WL's from the OBC website. If you think people can access your WLs you might want to check. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-green-avg-v1.png] Virus-free. www.avg.com Subject: Waiver Wire From: welfar03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:15:39 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Strat-O-Matic thanks! From: Jerry Coker Thanks for all the replies re: my Strat-O-Matic ramble. I've been playing SOM since around 1971 (card/dice) then computer. Lot of great memories firstplaying SOM with my Dad ... then playing SOM with my friends when I lived in SF. That and playing "stoop ball" (we called it "stair baseball" in SF :-) To change the subject back to baseball cards ... I thought I'd share a recent experience (well at least an experience starting about two years ago :-). As I've gotten older I've come to realize just how expensive it is to be a set collector. Particularly collecting pre-war sets like T206 and T205. Over my lifetime I've tried to collect both those "T" sets multiple times ... only to give up when the price of HOFER's and short prints were just too prohibitive for my finances (the same can now be said for many 1950's/60's sets I used to work on). So I think I came to a happy compromise. I've decided to focus on a Larry Doyle type collection (Doyle is my great, great uncle), Giants Team and Braves Team collection and then work on completing thefew sets I am pretty close to finishing. Not sure how long this will last as I tend to change my collecting habits pretty regularly :-( But ... I've been able to stick with this focus pretty well the past two years. And it has been fun as I am more familiar with the players that I'm collecting now.Plus I enjoy reading about these players, teams, era's, etc. And playing SOM kind of feeds off this (I'm currently replaying the 1908 Giants, 1956 Braves, 1962 Giants and 1971 Giants seasons). I'd be interested in anyone else's set collecting experiences recently. Is it just me or is the price of lower grade HOFER's and high numbers following the huge rise in price of the same in high grade? Example ... the Aaron &Mays RC's & 1962/1966/67 high numbers. I guess like many others ... I'm wishing I had bought those back in the 1980's ... when I had the chance :-( Oh well ... I guess it all just comes down to "collect what makes you happy" and what you can afford :-)Jerry Coker ================= Date: 30 Nov 2017 15:35:57 +0000 To: Subject: Thursday From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Dealer Scum Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 17:04:35 +0000 Subject: IMPORTANT CHANGE to the 1975 TOPPS AUCTION From: Aaron Shirley Hate to do this but I need to change the end time of the 1975 auction. I grossly miscalculated my calendar, and I need to end this auction on ***DECEMBER 2ND*** That's THIS SATURDAY, not next Saturday as I originally said. VERY SORRY, but it is necessary for personal reasons. SOME BASICS: - ONE COMPLETE (very nice) 1975 TOPPS SET. - Current bid is $234, including shipping and insurance. - High bidder is Joel G. BID OPTIONS: - email uthminsta@hotmail.com - text 618-509-3600. Please DO NOT CALL. - post on the auction thread on the OBC Facebook page. You can join by clicking: https://www.facebook.com/groups/oldbaseballcards/ (You can also use any of these methods to request the current high bid.) A FEW MORE THINGS: - If you bid, and don't get a confirmation, I haven't yet seen your bid! Wait a while, but if you still don't see anything, message me again to verify. All bids placed before 11pm Saturday December 2nd will be accepted. - At the conclusion of this single auction, the remaining eight complete sets will be made available simultaneously, at fixed prices, and at incremental discounts to the amount of the first set. - There will also be a NEAR SET (we'll call this #10), and a PARTIAL SET (#11) for sale. Many of the stars will be included, and the exact ones will be noted in the item descriptions. Thanks OBC, sorry about the major mixup. Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 30 Nov 2017 20:42:20 +0000 To: Subject: sad From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2017 14:55:11 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: My annual waiver wires From: Gary Beard As most of you know, I own 3 small businesses. Running them takes a WHOLE lot of my time. Time which I can't spend on my hobby. So, every year I try to take some time around November/December to post every dupe I own on waiver wires. Because I'm not so active posting waiver wires, about the only waivers I claim are common's and mostly just Kellogg's and Post cards. And, I always try to wait a few days to claim anything to make sure everyone else has had a chance to claim what they want/need. Since you don't see me all that frequently, feel free not to send me anything I might try to claim! I totally understand. I'll start this years waiver wires from 1969 and work back to the '50s (I'll try to get my '70s dupes organized before the end of the year so I can get those posted as well. PLEASE INCLUDE YOUR ADDRESS TO EXPEDITE SHIPPING! And remember, these are waiver wire offerings...NO RETURN FIRE NECESSARY! I'll start with '67, '68 and '69's: LOL...nevermind, I don't have any '68's or '69's, so I'll start with '66s and '67s: 1967 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 4 Hal Lanier San Francisco Giants 9 Ron Hansen Chicago White Sox 11 Barry Moore Washington Senators 13 Joe Sparma Detroit Tigers 22 Gene Brabender Baltimore Orioles 25 Elston Howard New York Yankees 27 Bob Saverine Washington Senators 28 Barry Latman Houston Astros 29 Tommy McCraw Chicago White Sox 31 Jim Brewer Los Angeles Dodgers 32 Bob Bailey Los Angeles Dodgers 33 Bando/Schwartz Kansas City Athletics 37 Rick Wise Philadelphia Phillies 38 Bob Johnson Baltimore Orioles 39 Curt Simmons Chicago Cubs 42 Mets Team New York Mets 43 Chico Salmon Cleveland Indians 44 Joe Nuxhall Cincinnati Reds 48 Bill Freehan Detroit Tigers 49 Roy Face Pittsburgh Pirates 51 Adlesh/Bales Houston Astros 52 Dennis Higgins Chicago White Sox 54 Dick Green Kansas City Athletics 59 Ralph Terry New York Mets 65 Tom Haller San Francisco Giants 66 Manny Mota Pittsburgh Pirates 67 Ken Berry Chicago White Sox 71 Camilo Pascual Washington Senators 75 George Scott Boston Red Sox 76 Jim Barbieri Los Angeles Dodgers 77 Dooley Womack New York Yankees 78 Pat Corrales St. Louis Cardinals 81 Eddie Stanky Chicago White Sox 82 Steve Barber Baltimore Orioles 83 Ollie Brown San Francisco Giants 84 Tommie Sisk Pittsburgh Pirates 87 George Altman Chicago Cubs 92 Ray Washburn St. Louis Cardinals 96 Art Shamsky Cincinnati Reds 97 Mike Cuellar Houston Astros 98 Rich Rollins Minnesota Twins 99 Lee Stange Boston Red Sox 101 Ken Johnson Atlanta Braves 178 John Buzhardt Chicago White Sox 231 John Bateman Houston Astros 249 Nick Willhite California Angels 281 Bob Rodgers California Angels 323 Mike Hershberger Kansas City Athletics 327 Angels Team California Angels 349 Bob Chance Washington Senators 439 Byron Brown Chicago Cubs 441 Jim Davenport San Francisco Giants 442 Robinson/Verbanic New York Yankees 453 Aurelio Monteagudo Cincinnati Reds 1966 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 8 Floyd Robinson Chicago White Sox 29 Mike Brumley Washington Senators 65 Leon Wagner Cleveland Indians 74 Don Mossi Kansas City Athletics 78 Frank Linzy San Francisco Giants 95 Pete Richert Washington Senators 122 Joe Gaines Houston Astros 141 Tom McCraw Chicago White Sox 176 Jim Davenport San Francisco Giants 190 Jimmie Hall Minnesota Twins 230 Johnny Callison Philadelphia Phillies 264 Kosco/Uhlaender Minnesota Twins Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm