================= Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 15:59:31 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Red Heart HOFs on eBay From: Matthew Glidden Spotted Ashburn and Spahn for $10-12 buy it now's and the seller has other stuff in OBC shape for decent prices: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Red-Heart-Richie-Ashburn-SP-Phillies-Pr-clipped-corners-B3043-/162337077114?hash=item25cc0b377a:g:RGcAAOSwo4pYZEXm http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-Red-Heart-Warren-Spahn-Braves-Pr-S3429-/361867696914?hash=item5440fedb12:g:e~oAAOSwnHZYaHDA seller: im-a-monster Best wishes for 2017! ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 17:17:48 +0000 Subject: 2016 and 2017 goals From: Aaron Shirley Hey everyone. Here goes. My 2016 COLLECTING GOALS were: 1. Send out 100 packages again. Include at least 10 people who did not get cards from me in 2015. ----- It was 76 card packages, so not so great there. But if you add the t-shirt packages, I made it. I sent to 13 guys I hadn't in 2015. SUCCESS. 2. Finish a vintage Topps base set. ----- Closest I got was 1969 Topps from6 to 3. I still haven't bought the Reggie, Mays, or Ryan. FAIL. 3. Finish off more UV sets than I add. ----- Thanks to three guys for eightTopps base set kills: Kent Goto (2000, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2007) Jimi Thayer(1995, 1997) and Mark Zentkovich (1999). I added 1986 Donruss and Fleer, and a couple others, but they finished 8 for me. SUCCESS. 4. Kill someone else's set. At least one vintage and one UV. ----- By my count I finished 4 vintage sets and 3 UV sets. Feels good to call this a SUCCESS. 5. Get Fleer and Post off the ground. ----- Well... I got a few more Fleer than Post. Hostess really took a huge leap, though. REDEFINED SUCCESS. 6. 50 hits to the new Topps priority lists. ----- I didn't keep track of this, but with what I bought and all I received, I passed that easily. SUCCESS. 7. Find a Tex Shirley or Mule Shirley card. ----- Taylor Schock got me a NICE Mule photo - still one of my absolute favorite pieces. SUCCESS. 8. Meet at least one OBCer (since I can't go to the National this year). ----- Got to host Mike Rich on his summer stadium trip, and the two of us went to a baseball game with Kent Goto. Also got to hang out with Mike Rumley-Wells again and go to a Brewers game. SUCCESS. 9. Help get someone else involved. ----- I shared a starter set of 1958 Topps with a friend from church, and he's gonna try to finish that set. I alsogot a "nephew" - a friend of the family - to start accumulating White Sox.I mailed him what should be the first of many 3-pocket flats full of WhiteSox - gonna send to him at least once a month. If I get to see him soon I will be taking him to the local shop and buying him a shoebox to store themin... SUCCESS x2. 10. Clean up the card room. ----- Well, I started. Then instead I got elected to the AC which was a pretty cool honor. Then I invested my time in the OBC shirts again... then got passionate about running the auction for Steve& Gina Rittenberg (what a blessing that was for me)... then Donruss December... If that's a FAIL, I'm not ashamed. So, thanks mostly to YOUR HELP, I met most of my goals. This was a pretty good year for cards if I do say so myself. My 2017 collecting goal is to accomplish at least 8 of these 12 priorities: 1. Send out at least 100 packages again, including at least 10 people who did not get cards from me in 2016. 2. Kill at least 5 sets for others. 3. Send at least one thing that will absolutely astound someone. 4. Help my daughters expand and refine their own collections. 5. Promote Fleer February, and several other crazy ideas to boost the awesome of what is already the best group ever. 6. Get the vintage Topps run total from missing 3,230 to under 3,000. 7. Get half of the Topps St. Louis Browns. There are 50. I have 10. 8. Get at least one card of every man on the 1944 St. Louis Browns and Cardinals 9. Finish a non-Topps vintage set. 10. Get another Lew Brockett, Mule Shirley, or Tex Shirley card. 11. Finish off at least three early 80's Donruss and Fleer sets, and get the total from over 4,000 to under 3,000. 12. Clean up the card room. I think this is the year! 2017, and I'm hittin the ground runnin! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 12:19:57 -0500 To: ddejong17@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting Goals From: mikesportsfan@aol.com If you have a list of cups you have plus any dupes you may have, please let us know. I too often grab cups when leaving a game. While other than the Slurpee, a few McDonalds issues and Sunshine Foods (an outstate Michigan company that issued Tigers cups), I have not compiled lists. My stadium cups are now likely over 1000, with tons of dupes. Always happy to swap. I do not have nearly as many cereal boxes, but do have a few. My buddy Rocky, whom a few OBCers have met, is big into the cereal boxes and would likely be interested in swapping for any dupes you may have. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Cc: LAWRENCE TIPTON ; obc Ramblings ; LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 11:32 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting Goals That reminds me of the conflict I felt when I last moved and had three massive boxes with stacks of souvenir stadium cups!!! When I go to a game I want to bring back the cup that spotlights some star or championship. I think there were well over 300 plastic cups spanning decades. You cannot possibly display all these things so they are just stacked in some closet. Yes, it is some type of sickness, but as long as you enjoy it don't look for the cure! On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 11:26 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Great sentiments! Although my collection is nowhere near as vast as yours, I do fondly remember those days in the early 90's when we both had much more hittable wantlists, and the cards went back and forth between Raleigh and Mustang, along with Texas, California, Chicago, Seattle, and a few otherplaces. Even thought I am FAR too young for retirement, and still have a daughter in college, I also sometimes wonder about my collection and its future. My two boys have an interest in them, so I think the cards will have a home for at least one more generation, but the other "stuff" I've accumulated (yes, you 2000 cereal boxes, I'm talking about you) leave me in a quandary. Like you, I rarely look at them, but I have a hard time bringing myself to the point of divesting myself of anything that isn't a duplicate. Itclearly is a sickness, but I haven't found the cure. Will I really miss having a 1997 Chris Chelios Sugar Crisp box, or a 1995 Toronto Rapters Corn Pops box from Canada? ( I do know I would miss my 1966 Zoilo Versalles Wheaties box). Somehow I don't think my life would be measurably depreciated if I didn't, yet I don't want to take that chance. Maybe it is time to form CA (Collectors Anonymous)? "Hello, my name is Bob and I'm a collectaholic". ---- "LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" When I look at all these cards on my shelves, it=E2=99s hard to believe it all started (re-started) in 1988 when my oldest son Joey brought home a pack of 1988 Donruss. =E2=9CI remember collecting baseball cards!=E2=9D I see the threads on Net54. As vintage set collectors pass on, their kids have no interest in cardboard, and soon the market will be flooded with 50s and 60s cards with no buyers. It=E2=99s time to sell! Set collectors area thing of the past, ship those vintage RCs to PSA and hope for a =E2=9Cbump=E2=9D, and sell sell sell! Times have changed brother! What happened and =E2=9CGet the he** off my lawn!=E2=9D I forget that I have been in this =E2=9Cgame=E2=9D for nearly 30 years, and it=E2=99s not liked I dropped a pile of cash last week to accumulate all these cards. It=E2=99s been a love affair with hours and hours and hours of enjoyment! It seems like only yesterday Bob Neill would mail me(to Mustang Oklahoma) a 400 count box STUFFED with hits. Rick Keating and I had a constant flow of cardboard it=E2=99s been awhile since I sent off something to Bridgeton, MO. Rick I hope you are well! OBC has made my life much better. MUCH better! I=E2=99ve now been retired six years, and $$$ wise I=E2=99m going to be fine. But who really knows? I saved and gave and sacrificed for years, just like all of you guys did or are doing. I was very lucky and I worked hard too. But I=E2=99m not in a save mode anymore this may or may not be smart LOL! OK I do save $50 each month for each one of my grandkids (I=E2=99ve got eight now), and for their birthdays and Christmas I give them a piece of paper telling them how much they have in their account. My oldest granddaughter is 13 now and she appreciates it. The younger ones would rather have another crappy toy LOL! This started out to be a message listing my collecting goals for 2017. As you might guess I don=E2=99t have a clear direction of where to go next. I can=E2=99t bring myself to sell anything, even though it=E2=99s been awhile since I thumbed through my 1961 Topps set. I don=E2=99t need tosell either as my collection represents 0% of my retirement portfolio. About the only time I get into these cards is when I happen across some bargains and I check for upgrades, yet I hope for MANY more years of enjoyment out of my cards. One of these years I will thumb through ALL my cards and come up with an upgrade list. 2017 Goals: 1. Attend this years National Convention, and take time to visit more with OBC members in attendance. Chances are the cards will still be there. ================= To: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:17:31 -0500 Subject: 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions From: "Greg Henthorn" Happy New Year! I have a question that will surely reveal my ignorance about vintage cards. I have two different 1962 Topps Ron Santo cards. I cannot tell a difference between the backs of the cards, but the fronts have some differences. If you look closely at the attached picture, you will see that the frame of the picture is cropped in different places. Santo's fingers touch the white picture border on the left card, but on the right card, there is a gap. The pole on the right side of the card appears to be closer to the white border on the card on the left as compared to the card on the right. The card on the right appears darker and blurrier. Is this a "green tint" thing or something else? Greg Henthorn ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:22:24 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en The teacher that keeps on teaching.. .freakin amazing Josh! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/31/2016 10:37:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: My wheelhouse and the one card set I have done the most research on (although trying to have my son/having my son have taken a lot of time away Here is from most rare to least rare. Broadleaf green Broadleaf black American Beauty black * American Beauty green * Piedmont Fact. 42 * Hassan Fact. 30 Honest Long Cut Hassan Fact. 649** Sweet Cap. black fact. 42** Sweet Cap. black fact. 25 Sweet Cap. red Polar Bear Piedmont fact. 25 This is from memory so forgive me if I forgot anything... Over the last 5-10 years the Drum and Hindu flipped as there were two different Drum finds, one from the south (Louisiana I think) and one from St. Louis pushing the number of Drum backs "available" above Hindu. It also turned up the third Ames Drum back meaning that there were at least three print runs of Drum. As of now (of course I have not been as active in the past five years) I still do not think there has been more than 2 of any one Hindu back. Blank, I am sure, was never officially issued and many that claim to be blank are either altered or cut from an advertising poster (yes, there were a few). The poster ones are on thicker stock and darker backs. Skinned and "washed" blanks have also come across my desk before. The groupings are my own and include Super Rare, Tough, Not Very Tough, and Easy. * Piedmont 42 and the black and green American beauty backs (and Cycle every now and then) have switched places fairly often and seem to be nearly the same lately (although American Beauty Black in my opinion is tougher than any of that group). ** Hassan 649 and Sweet Cap 42 black also seem to switch but it seems that there were less Hassan 649 popping up in recent years. Hope this helps and hopefully I did not miss anything. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 12:49 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't mean Drum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? Sent from my iPad Posted by: Andy Cook <_typecard@aol.com_ (mailto:typecard@aol.com) > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at _www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html) Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:29:56 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions From: Joel Freedman from Uncle Tom, master of greenies=85. https://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/ On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:22 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > You should be careful about Green Tints, Greg. > They can be addictive and frustrating. > You've got one in the Santo...and if you find another...you'll be collecting the set bwahhhh!!! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: 'Greg Henthorn' ghenthorn34@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: January 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions [1 Attachment] > [Attachment(s) from Greg Henthorn included below] > Happy New Year! > I have a question that will surely reveal my ignorance about vintage cards. > I have two different 1962 Topps Ron Santo cards. I cannot tell a difference > between the backs of the cards, but the fronts have some differences. If you > look closely at the attached picture, you will see that the frame of the > picture is cropped in different places. Santo's fingers touch the white > picture border on the left card, but on the right card, there is a gap. The > pole on the right side of the card appears to be closer to the white border > on the card on the left as compared to the card on the right. The card on > the right appears darker and blurrier. > Is this a "green tint" thing or something else? > Thanks > Greg Henthorn ================= To: Greg Henthorn Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:29:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions [1 From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 13:38:55 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: Doug DeJong Don=E2=99t have much going on today so I found the time to put down somerandom collecting thoughts that I have. Apologize in advance for the random streams of consciousness. Here goes=E2=A6.. 1. Is Early Wynn not a great name for a pitcher? Good job to Early=E2=99s parents. I like cool names and cool nicknames. 2. Were Al Kaline=E2=99s parents=E2=99 chemists with a good sense of humor? I still recall high school chemistry and the teacher asked what it meant if a solution was alkaline. My friend piped up that it meant the solution played for the Detroit Tigers which caused the boys to laugh and the chemistry teacher, Mr Benson, to look totally perplexed. 3. I was going to ask what the YA stood for in YA Tittle but googled it instead. Wow. I guess he couldn=E2=99t just go with =E2=9CY=E2=9D or it would have been like =E2=9Cwho=E2=99s on first=E2=9D. "Who is quarterback today?" "Y." "Because I want to know, that=E2=99s why!" 4. Why are Clemente cards always such a pain? Yes, he was good but I find his cards harder to find at a price I want to pay than anyone's. Every set he is among the last couple. I can always find a cheap Mays or Aaron, I never seem to find a Clemente at 5 or 10% of book. Looking at a 57 Clemente on line right now that is almost 20% of book despite being listed (correctly so) as =E2=9CPoor=E2=9D. Why? 5. In the SCD listing in my book for the 1933 DeLong=E2=99s they have Ruth card pictured as the example. But there isn=E2=99t a Ruth card in the set. What gives? 6. Are reprints getting more annoying, and worrisome, every time you look at eBay? You do a sort and see a nice beat up card you are looking for at a low starting price and then realize it is a reprint that was =E2made to look old on purpose=E2=99. These guys are annoying and I think eBay rules should insist they put reprint in the title and the option of =E2original/reprint=E2=99 should always have to be accurate. 7. Speaking of reprints, do the disclaimers that it was bought at an estate sale and seems real but is listed as a reprint really work? I guess so or they wouldn=E2=99t be so common. 8. Speaking of reprints, are there no copyright rules on the cards? There is a guy on Etsy that has an entire store dedicated to making the reprints you want and then =E2ages=E2=99 them for you. No laws govern 9. Speaking of reprints, what is the point of getting a reprint slabbed? Seriously, who says to themselves =E2=9CI want a fake card, but must be a really nice fake card and I will pay extra for PSA to tell me it is a nice fake card=E2=9D?? 10. Speaking of graded cards, who are the people willing to pay the $1.45 MILLION dollars being asked for a SCG 98 Gem Mint Ryan RC (as seen on SportsMemorabilia.com)? Or the listing on eBay of $1,500 for the PSA 10 1968 Manny Sanguillen card? 11. Speaking of slabbed cards, on the other extreme --- who gets the 1968 Topps Cal Ermer card slabbed so they could ask $2.50 for the PSA 4? Granted Cal was manager of the greatest team my childhood could imagine but even I can look at that card in the holder and know it isn=E2=99t worth getting graded. Is someone worried their Cal Ermer might be fake? 12. I get slabbing older and valuable cards to ensure they are real, etc. However, after the link was shared about the PSA scam I lost a night=E2=99s sleep looking over all my PSA 1952 Topps Mantles to see if they were authentic. OK, that didn=E2=99t happen. But see how being an off grade collector is better for your health? 13. Speaking of PSA, why is one slabbed card called a =E2=9C2=E2=9Dbecause of a miscut or a mark, but the next gets a =E2=9C5=E2=9D with the qualifier of a miscut or a mark? I have stared at two Gibson RC=E2=99s that looked the same to me was told the PSA 2 was because it was miscut. Ok, I get it. But the next one was a PSA 5 and had a qualifier of being miscut. It was going for more than twice as much. The guy selling them even agreed they looked identical. Is there some trick I don=E2=99t know about? Just curious. 14. Do the guys that come up with the prices for Dean=E2=99s Cards live in a state where marijuana is legal? Seriously, you can be looking at all the eBay listings for Card XYZ, and you will see a Dean=E2=99s card listed ridiculously above the comparable cards that are right there for everyone to see. Wouldn=E2=99t you look at the other cards listed at BIN and tryto somewhat competitive? OK, that=E2=99s all for now. Happy collecting everyone!! Doug DeJong ================= To: Doug DeJong Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:53:32 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 14:20:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Ask Glenn and Nick how they got started on collecting the greenies ::snicker::: ! Oh Greg, you are in trouble...check your cards before I send you a pair of greenies and MAKE you start collecting them :-) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/1/2017 1:22:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: You should be careful about Green Tints, Greg. They can be addictive and frustrating. You've got one in the Santo...and if you find another...you'll be collecting the set bwahhhh!!! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: 'Greg Henthorn' ghenthorn34@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions [1 [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0d6d9cb8/default.html#TopText) from Greg Henthorn included below] Happy New Year! I have a question that will surely reveal my ignorance about vintage cards. I have two different 1962 Topps Ron Santo cards. I cannot tell a difference between the backs of the cards, but the fronts have some differences. If look closely at the attached picture, you will see that the frame of the picture is cropped in different places. Santo's fingers touch the white picture border on the left card, but on the right card, there is a gap. The pole on the right side of the card appears to be closer to the white border on the card on the left as compared to the card on the right. The card on the right appears darker and blurrier. Is this a "green tint" thing or something else? Greg Henthorn ================= To: , Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 11:25:52 -0800 Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions From: "Grant Rainsley" No you don=E2=99t, Toad! Big Al got ME started at the Tacoma Dome show many years ago when I was searching for the Hoeft tint. He found one, bought it in Gem for 2 bucks, then took great delight in telling the seller afterwards that he was an idiot who should be in another line of work. Then heproceeded to lord it over me during the whole show. As we parted, he of course handed me the card, he had gotten his evil pleasure out of torturing me. Then we helped him find his car. Speaking of Billy Hoeft, some of you may remember my own Field of Dreams when I got to speak to him on the phone for a couple of hours a several yearsago. I have a new quest! This morning, I was going through some miscellaneous detritus in a box, andlocated a 1967 glossy B&W of Wayne Norton of the AAA Vancouver Mounties. Iadmired him as a kid, one of the 1st British Columbia boys to make a mark in BB, and he played with another B.C. boy, Gerry Reimer. That impressed me, and I really looked up to them both. Gerry=E2=99s picture was there too, but I got it auto=E2=99d back in the day. I of course wondered, =E2=9CWhere is Wayne Norton now?=E2=9D I=E2=99d like to get his autoon this one. Research revealed that Wayne got the call to Oakland to replace an injured Rick Monday, and was cancelled at the last moment. He had played with Reggie, Rudi, and that crowd with the Birmingham A=E2=99s. He almost made it.Never got a big league AB though. Norton now lives in a suburb of Vancouver. When Jenny and I were down to =E2=9CThe Big Smoke=E2=9D to visit our daughter a couple of years ago, we stayed at a B&B about 5 miles away. (Kate didn=E2=99t want her neighbours to learn that she knew me.). After further research, it turns out that the B&B was located all of two blocks away from Wayne Norton=E2=99s residence. Boy, did I blow that one. Hmmmmmmm=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6..might just be time to go and visit Kate again, and try to get a weekend off to go look up Mr. Norton. He had a great career as a scout after his playing career, bet he has some stories. He now has ALS, so not sure what I=E2=99m going to find. But I=E2=99m gonna do it. Thanks for askin=E2=99!!!! Happy New Year to all, we seem to be in a frisky mood today, don=E2=99t we? (Charter Members of the Looney Bin please move over little and make room for Doug DeJong.) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 01, 2017 10:41 AM To: hoot owl1; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; ghenthorn34@gmail.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions It was actually Grant and Big Al Cummings that got me "interested" in the Greenies. Those two guys are nuts...I confirmed that on the Internet. I only followed their dubious lead since it's my birth year set and it did add some variety to collecting the otherwise drab 1962 set. Tom's site does a great job of showing the differences, some of them are obvious, some are subtle. Now if I have cajoled others into chasing these cards, which were actually mistakes withdrawn by Topps, well...all PR is good PR :-) OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: hoot owl1 To: familytoad@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ghenthorn34@gmail.com Sent: January 1, 2017 at 10:31 AM Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions I'm not surprised Brian has already chimed in on green tint craziness. He has pushed, cajoled and convinced a number of us to join his maniacal passion for the green meanies. I blame him for nearly everything. LOL See Tom Housley's side-by-side comparison in the OBC library. I am bettingyou have additional greenies in your 1962 second series. peter mead On 01/01/17, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] You should be careful about Green Tints, Greg. They can be addictive and frustrating. You've got one in the Santo...and if you find another...you'll be collecting the set bwahhhh!!! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: 'Greg Henthorn' ghenthorn34@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 1, 2017 at 10:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Greg Henthorn included below] Happy New Year! I have a question that will surely reveal my ignorance about vintage cards. I have two different 1962 Topps Ron Santo cards. I cannot tell a difference between the backs of the cards, but the fronts have some differences. If you look closely at the attached picture, you will see that the frame of the picture is cropped in different places. Santo's fingers touch the white picture border on the left card, but on the right card, there is a gap. The pole on the right side of the card appears to be closer to the white border on the card on the left as compared to the card on the right. The card on the right appears darker and blurrier. Is this a "green tint" thing or something else? Greg Henthorn ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 14:46:16 -0800 To: Greg Henthorn Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps Ron Santo - my two versions [1 Attachment] From: John Stamper Yes. Santo is a green tint. Here's the link to the set on OBC http://www.oldbaseball.com/MegaChecklists/ChecklistSet.php?genreBaseball&setnameTopps&year1962 Here's Toms greener side by side https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/ John Stamper > On Jan 1, 2017, at 10:17 AM, 'Greg Henthorn' ghenthorn34@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Greg Henthorn included below] > Happy New Year! > I have a question that will surely reveal my ignorance about vintage cards. > I have two different 1962 Topps Ron Santo cards. I cannot tell a difference > between the backs of the cards, but the fronts have some differences. If you > look closely at the attached picture, you will see that the frame of the > picture is cropped in different places. Santo's fingers touch the white > picture border on the left card, but on the right card, there is a gap. The > pole on the right side of the card appears to be closer to the white border > on the card on the left as compared to the card on the right. The card on > the right appears darker and blurrier. > Is this a "green tint" thing or something else? > Thanks > Greg Henthorn ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 17:55:14 -0500 Subject: unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: ED SCHOTT Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:06:23 -0500 To: easchott@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Considering to be a member of FOOT you need to swear an oath of allegiance to the best franchise in baseball history, The Detroit Tigers, it is obvious what my choice is and will be. My HOMer makes a favorite player pick of Willie Horton also a no brainer. Alan Trammel was a life long Tiger, who started in the OBC era, so he gets a vote as well. It is very hard to have a favorite player in today's game, as they are almost all mercenaries. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2017 5:55 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:13:55 -0500 To: easchott@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Mike Glasser That's an easy one. Of course it's the Orioles. Who else? My favorite players no doubt are Rick Dempsey and Brooks Robinson. Brooks for his amazing defense and the fact that I had (can't find it anymore) a bagel signed by him and Vince Bagli (sportscaster). Rick because he used to sing a bit (though not well) and one of my bands backed him up for some videos. The day of the filming, he was taken by my then-girlfriends best friend and he sent the O's limo to come pick us up, treat us to box seats and a game and then some drinks after. It was a fun night. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2017 5:55 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 00:18:38 +0000 To: Doug DeJong , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: Matthew Glidden Hi Doug, my own thoughts on a few of yours... Clemente has a wide variety of specialist collectors (Pirates, home country fans, HOFers, etc., etc.), bumping the cost of his cards at all grades. Even when they don't *sell* for more, sellers who specialize in Roberto often negotiate less than others might. Reprints utterly frustrate me, as I suspect quite a few of them are soft cons, where buyers expect to blend them into larger collections as part of a sale to uneducated buyers. But getting eBay to crack down on listings under $50 pales in comparison to big ticket fraud in other categories, I imagine. They're annoying for us, but small potatoes for eBay worldwide. As long as reprints continue to sell at all, they're likely to be low cost and I'm not a lawyer, but perhaps reprints could be blocked by the estates of players being reprinted? I bet that'd take a lot of work to contest them one-by-one, unless it turns out there's only a handful of reprinters to shut down and not a swath of small operators. I see the big money PSA market as approaching the buying/selling in the fine art world, where rich people sort of hide their wealth in physical objects and can move the objects around easier than an equivalent amount of cash. The higher the apparent value of slabbed cards, the more money you can hold in them. Potentially, they make for good tax dodges, and the dealmakers in the middle get pretty good cuts. That's somewhat cynical on my part, but I don't feel bad about feeling cynical about $1m card buyers. Dean's Cards, who knows! Maybe they've got a business elsewhere that allows them to sell one card per month to clueless shoppers? On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 1:38 PM Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > 4. Why are Clemente cards always such a pain? Yes, he was good but > I find his cards harder to find at a price I want to pay than anyone's. > Every set he is among the last couple. I can always find a cheap Mays or > Aaron, I never seem to find a Clemente at 5 or 10% of book. Looking at a > 57 Clemente on line right now that is almost 20% of book despite being > listed (correctly so) as =E2=9CPoor=E2=9D. Why? > 6. Are reprints getting more annoying, and worrisome, every time > you look at eBay? You do a sort and see a nice beat up card you are > looking for at a low starting price and then realize it is a reprint that > was =E2made to look old on purpose=E2=99. These guys are annoying and I think > eBay rules should insist they put reprint in the title and the option of > =E2original/reprint=E2=99 should always have to be accurate. > 7. Speaking of reprints, do the disclaimers that it was bought at > an estate sale and seems real but is listed as a reprint really work? I > guess so or they wouldn=E2=99t be so common. > 8. Speaking of reprints, are there no copyright rules on the > cards? There is a guy on Etsy that has an entire store dedicated to making > the reprints you want and then =E2ages=E2=99 them for you. No laws govern this? > 10. Speaking of graded cards, who are the people willing to pay the > $1.45 MILLION dollars being asked for a SCG 98 Gem Mint Ryan RC (as seen on > SportsMemorabilia.com)? Or the listing on eBay of $1,500 for the PSA 10 > 1968 Manny Sanguillen card? > 11. Speaking of slabbed cards, on the other extreme --- who gets the > 1968 Topps Cal Ermer card slabbed so they could ask $2.50 for the PSA 4? > Granted Cal was manager of the greatest team my childhood could imagine but > even I can look at that card in the holder and know it isn=E2=99t worth > graded. Is someone worried their Cal Ermer might be fake? > 14. Do the guys that come up with the prices for Dean=E2=99s Cards live in a > state where marijuana is legal? Seriously, you can be looking at all the > eBay listings for Card XYZ, and you will see a Dean=E2=99s card listed > ridiculously above the comparable cards that are right there for everyone > to see. Wouldn=E2=99t you look at the other cards listed at BIN and try to be > somewhat competitive? ================= Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 01:50:10 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Past goal progress and new ones for 2017 From: Matthew Glidden Updates on my goals from 2014-15, as it looks like I skipped setting goals for 2016. :-) 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) : *finished lows in 2016!* 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 : *finished set in 2015!* 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) : *have 29, just 4 left!* 1958 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG : *finished upgrades in 2016!* 1962 Post: cut list to under 10 : *finished set in 2015!* 1977 TMCA/Galasso: cut list in half (60 left) : *close, 35 to go!* New goals for 2017: 1935 Goudey Knot Hole League: have 7, get 12+ 1936 Goudey Master Set: have 32, get 50+ 1954 Red Heart: finish set 1962-63 Stat Back Exhibits: 20+ hits to current lists 1963 Fleer: finish set (23 left) 1970 & 1971 Fleer World Series: finish regular sets ...#5 type hits are slow going these days, so I'll consider those a "reach Best wishes to all for a fruitful 2017! On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 9:00 PM Matthew Glidden > I made some big and some small steps on 2014 goals, thanks to OBC friends > and successful shows, esp at last year's National. The biggest hit was > completion of 1934 Goudey, as #37 Gehrig arrived in November, with other > progress below. > 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) : s*till 3 left (31, 42, 45)* > 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) : *done!* > 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) : *still 23 left* > 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) : *up to 8* > 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) : *done!* > 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) : *still 3 left (54,357,455)* > Blogging went slow (42 total posts), but picked up tough #5 type cards > along the way, including 1952 Bedard & Donaldson, 1973 Topps "1953 > reprints," and 1967 Kabaya-Leaf! > Here are a couple of new targets: > 1958 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (30+ left) > 1962 Post: cut list to under 10 (20 left) > 1977 TMCA/Galasso: cut list in half (60 left) > Good luck to all in 2015 and start the countdown to opening day! > Spike > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: *Matthew Glidden* > Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 > Subject: 2014 goals > My goals this year are simple, but not necessarily easy: > 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) > 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) > 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) > 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) > 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) > 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) > One solid year of writing will push my type collection blog to 1000 posts, > so add that to the pile. > Good luck to everyone on their 2014 goals and looking forward to OBC's > next National! > Spike ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 20:53:06 -0500 To: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: ShoelessWes I love you Doug. Wes Shepard > On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Don=E2=99t have much going on today so I found the time to put down some random collecting thoughts that I have. Apologize in advance for the random streams of consciousness. Here goes=E2=A6.. > 1. Is Early Wynn not a great name for a pitcher? Good job to Early=E2=99s parents. I like cool names and cool nicknames. > 2. Were Al Kaline=E2=99s parents=E2=99 chemists with a good sense of humor? I still recall high school chemistry and the teacher asked what it meant if a solution was alkaline. My friend piped up that it meantthe solution played for the Detroit Tigers which caused the boys to laugh and the chemistry teacher, Mr Benson, to look totally perplexed. > 3. I was going to ask what the YA stood for in YA Tittle but googled it instead. Wow. I guess he couldn=E2=99t just go with =E2=9CY=E2=9D or it would have been like =E2=9Cwho=E2=99s on first=E2=9D."Who is quarterback today?" "Y." "Because I want to know, that=E2=99s > 4. Why are Clemente cards always such a pain? Yes, he was good butI find his cards harder to find at a price I want to pay than anyone's. Every set he is among the last couple. I can always find a cheap Mays or Aaron, I never seem to find a Clemente at 5 or 10% of book. Looking at a 57Clemente on line right now that is almost 20% of book despite being listed(correctly so) as =E2=9CPoor=E2=9D. Why? > 5. In the SCD listing in my book for the 1933 DeLong=E2=99s theyhave the Ruth card pictured as the example. But there isn=E2=99t a Ruth card in the set. What gives? > 6. Are reprints getting more annoying, and worrisome, every time you look at eBay? You do a sort and see a nice beat up card you are looking for at a low starting price and then realize it is a reprint that was =E2made to look old on purpose=E2=99. These guys are annoying and I think eBay rules should insist they put reprint in the title and the optionof =E2original/reprint=E2=99 should always have to be accurate. > 7. Speaking of reprints, do the disclaimers that it was bought at an estate sale and seems real but is listed as a reprint really work? I guess so or they wouldn=E2=99t be so common. > 8. Speaking of reprints, are there no copyright rules on the cards?There is a guy on Etsy that has an entire store dedicated to making the reprints you want and then =E2ages=E2=99 them for you. No laws govern > 9. Speaking of reprints, what is the point of getting a reprint slabbed? Seriously, who says to themselves =E2=9CI want a fake card, but it must be a really nice fake card and I will pay extra for PSA to tell me it is a nice fake card=E2=9D?? > 10. Speaking of graded cards, who are the people willing to pay the $1.45 MILLION dollars being asked for a SCG 98 Gem Mint Ryan RC (as seen on SportsMemorabilia.com)? Or the listing on eBay of $1,500 for the PSA 10 1968 Manny Sanguillen card? > 11. Speaking of slabbed cards, on the other extreme --- who gets the 1968 Topps Cal Ermer card slabbed so they could ask $2.50 for the PSA 4? Granted Cal was manager of the greatest team my childhood could imagine but even I can look at that card in the holder and know it isn=E2=99t worth getting graded. Is someone worried their Cal Ermer might be fake? > 12. I get slabbing older and valuable cards to ensure they are real, etc. However, after the link was shared about the PSA scam I lost a night=E2=99s sleep looking over all my PSA 1952 Topps Mantles to see if they were authentic. OK, that didn=E2=99t happen. But see how being an off grade collector is better for your health? > 13. Speaking of PSA, why is one slabbed card called a =E2=9C2=E2=9D because of a miscut or a mark, but the next gets a =E2=9C5=E2=9D with the qualifier of a miscut or a mark? I have stared at two Gibson RC=E2=99s that looked the same to me and was told the PSA 2 was because itwas miscut. Ok, I get it. But the next one was a PSA 5 and had a qualifier of being miscut. It was going for more than twice as much. The guy selling them even agreed they looked identical. Is there some trick I don=E2=99t know about? Just curious. > 14. Do the guys that come up with the prices for Dean=E2=99s Cards live in a state where marijuana is legal? Seriously, you can be looking at all the eBay listings for Card XYZ, and you will see a Dean=E2=99s card listed ridiculously above the comparable cards that are right there for everyone to see. Wouldn=E2=99t you look at the other cards listed at BIN and try to be somewhat competitive? > OK, that=E2=99s all for now. Happy collecting everyone!! > Doug DeJong ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 20:57:29 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity From: ShoelessWes I will print this page out for my cliff notes. Wes Shepard > On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:22 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The teacher that keeps on teaching.. .freakin amazing Josh! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 12/31/2016 10:37:00 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > My wheelhouse and the one card set I have done the most research on (although trying to have my son/having my son have taken a lot of time away fromcards). > Here is from most rare to least rare. > Blank > Hindu > Drum > Broadleaf green > Broadleaf black > American Beauty black * > American Beauty green * > Piedmont Fact. 42 * > Cycle > Hassan Fact. 30 > Sovereign > Honest Long Cut > Hassan Fact. 649** > Sweet Cap. black fact. 42** > Sweet Cap. black fact. 25 > Sweet Cap. red > Polar Bear > Piedmont fact. 25 > This is from memory so forgive me if I forgot anything... > Over the last 5-10 years the Drum and Hindu flipped as there were two different Drum finds, one from the south (Louisiana I think) and one from St. Louis pushing the number of Drum backs "available" above Hindu. It also turned up the third Ames Drum back meaning that there were at least three print runs of Drum. As of now (of course I have not been as active in the past five years) I still do not think there has been more than 2 of any one Hindu back. Blank, I am sure, was never officially issued and many that claim to be blank are either altered or cut from an advertising poster (yes, therewere a few). The poster ones are on thicker stock and darker backs. Skinned and "washed" blanks have also come across my desk before. > The groupings are my own and include Super Rare, Tough, Not Very Tough, and > * Piedmont 42 and the black and green American beauty backs (and Cycle every now and then) have switched places fairly often and seem to be nearly the same lately (although American Beauty Black in my opinion is tougher than any of that group). > ** Hassan 649 and Sweet Cap 42 black also seem to switch but it seems that there were less Hassan 649 popping up in recent years. > Hope this helps and hopefully I did not miss anything. > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 12:49 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity > Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't mean Drum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? > Thanks, > Andy > Sent from my iPad > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Andy Cook > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 18:10:43 -0800 To: easchott@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: John Stamper My favorite Team is the Reds. I've been a life long Reds fan even though I've lived in So Cal my entire life. Enjoyed the Big Red Machine and the backto back 75-76 WS victories. Ed, seeing Brooks destroy my Reds in the 1970 World Series was tough. All time favorite players are Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente and Joe Morgan Current favorite players are Bryce Harper and Brandon Phillips. John Stamper > On Jan 1, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That's an easy one. Of course it's the Orioles. Who else? My favorite players no doubt are Rick Dempsey and Brooks Robinson. Brooks for his amazing defense and the fact that I had (can't find it anymore) a bagel signedby him and Vince Bagli (sportscaster). Rick because he used to sing a bit (though not well) and one of my bands backed him up for some videos. Theday of the filming, he was taken by my then-girlfriends best friend and hesent the O's limo to come pick us up, treat us to box seats and a game andthen some drinks after. It was a fun night. > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2017 5:55 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:14:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Ed Hutchinson Fun topic of conversation Ed- so here goes As a Clevelander, the Indians are, and always have been, my favorite team. We were so close this year, after not expected to get anywhere close, and it was awesome to see the city come alive (much like they did in the movie Major League) Favorite vintage players: Clemente (not an Indian, but a true class act) also Colavito, because my dad has so many great stories about him, and Jim Brown (not baseball, but as a Clevelander, its hard not to love his on the field exploits, even though as a person he is kind of a jerk) Favorite modern players: Mo Rivera, Orel Hershiser, Francisco Lindor, Omar On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 9:10 PM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My favorite Team is the Reds. I've been a life long Reds fan even though > I've lived in So Cal my entire life. Enjoyed the Big Red Machine and the > back to back 75-76 WS victories. Ed, seeing Brooks destroy my Reds in the > 1970 World Series was tough. > All time favorite players are Hank Aaron, Roberto Clemente and Joe Morgan > Current favorite players are Bryce Harper and Brandon Phillips. > John Stamper > On Jan 1, 2017, at 3:13 PM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That's an easy one. Of course it's the Orioles. Who else? My favorite > players no doubt are Rick Dempsey and Brooks Robinson. Brooks for his > amazing defense and the fact that I had (can't find it anymore) a bagel > signed by him and Vince Bagli (sportscaster). Rick because he used to > sing a bit (though not well) and one of my bands backed him up for some > videos. The day of the filming, he was taken by my then-girlfriends best > friend and he sent the O's limo to come pick us up, treat us to box seats > and a game and then some drinks after. It was a fun night. > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, Jan 1, 2017 5:55 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:30:47 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New York Yankees HOFer TOUGH CARD! From: Yahoo Look at this on eBay 1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New York Yankees HOFer TOUGH CARD! Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 21:36:42 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: ShoelessWes Was a perfect reflection of what i think every day. Wes Shepard > On Jan 1, 2017, at 8:53 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I love you Doug. > Wes Shepard >> On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Don=E2=99t have much going on today so I found the time to put down some random collecting thoughts that I have. Apologize in advance for the random streams of consciousness. Here goes=E2=A6.. >> 1. Is Early Wynn not a great name for a pitcher? Good job to Early=E2=99s parents. I like cool names and cool nicknames. >> 2. Were Al Kaline=E2=99s parents=E2=99 chemists with a good sense of humor? I still recall high school chemistry and the teacher askedwhat it meant if a solution was alkaline. My friend piped up that it meant the solution played for the Detroit Tigers which caused the boys to laughand the chemistry teacher, Mr Benson, to look totally perplexed. >> 3. I was going to ask what the YA stood for in YA Tittle but googled it instead. Wow. I guess he couldn=E2=99t just go with =E2=9CY=E2=9D or it would have been like =E2=9Cwho=E2=99s on first=E2=9D. "Who is quarterback today?" "Y." "Because I want to know, that=E2=99s >> 4. Why are Clemente cards always such a pain? Yes, he was good but I find his cards harder to find at a price I want to pay than anyone's. Every set he is among the last couple. I can always find a cheap Mays or Aaron, I never seem to find a Clemente at 5 or 10% of book. Looking at a 57 Clemente on line right now that is almost 20% of book despite being listed (correctly so) as =E2=9CPoor=E2=9D. Why? >> 5. In the SCD listing in my book for the 1933 DeLong=E2=99s they have the Ruth card pictured as the example. But there isn=E2=99t a Ruth card in the set. What gives? >> 6. Are reprints getting more annoying, and worrisome, every time you look at eBay? You do a sort and see a nice beat up card you are lookingfor at a low starting price and then realize it is a reprint that was =E2made to look old on purpose=E2=99. These guys are annoying and I think eBay rules should insist they put reprint in the title and the optionof =E2original/reprint=E2=99 should always have to be accurate. >> 7. Speaking of reprints, do the disclaimers that it was bought at an estate sale and seems real but is listed as a reprint really work? I guess so or they wouldn=E2=99t be so common. >> 8. Speaking of reprints, are there no copyright rules on the cards? There is a guy on Etsy that has an entire store dedicated to making the reprints you want and then =E2ages=E2=99 them for you. No laws govern >> 9. Speaking of reprints, what is the point of getting a reprint slabbed? Seriously, who says to themselves =E2=9CI want a fake card, but it must be a really nice fake card and I will pay extra for PSA to tell me it is a nice fake card=E2=9D?? >> 10. Speaking of graded cards, who are the people willing to pay the $1.45 MILLION dollars being asked for a SCG 98 Gem Mint Ryan RC (as seen on SportsMemorabilia.com)? Or the listing on eBay of $1,500 for the PSA 10 1968 Manny Sanguillen card? >> 11. Speaking of slabbed cards, on the other extreme --- who gets the 1968 Topps Cal Ermer card slabbed so they could ask $2.50 for the PSA 4? Granted Cal was manager of the greatest team my childhood could imagine but even I can look at that card in the holder and know it isn=E2=99t worth getting graded. Is someone worried their Cal Ermer might be fake? >> 12. I get slabbing older and valuable cards to ensure they are real, etc. However, after the link was shared about the PSA scam I lost a night=E2=99s sleep looking over all my PSA 1952 Topps Mantles to see if they were authentic. OK, that didn=E2=99t happen. But see how being an off grade collector is better for your health? >> 13. Speaking of PSA, why is one slabbed card called a =E2=9C2=E2=9D because of a miscut or a mark, but the next gets a =E2=9C5=E2=9D with the qualifier of a miscut or a mark? I have stared at two Gibson RC=E2=99s that looked the same to me and was told the PSA 2 was because itwas miscut. Ok, I get it. But the next one was a PSA 5 and had a qualifier of being miscut. It was going for more than twice as much. The guy selling them even agreed they looked identical. Is there some trick I don=E2=99t know about? Just curious. >> 14. Do the guys that come up with the prices for Dean=E2=99s Cards live in a state where marijuana is legal? Seriously, you can be looking atall the eBay listings for Card XYZ, and you will see a Dean=E2=99s cardlisted ridiculously above the comparable cards that are right there for everyone to see. Wouldn=E2=99t you look at the other cards listed at BIN and try to be somewhat competitive? >> OK, that=E2=99s all for now. Happy collecting everyone!! >> Doug DeJong ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 19:09:42 -0800 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New York Yankees HOFer TOUGH CARD! From: Rick It may be real on the back the solid black line doesn't touch the words andon the reprints the black line is thicker and touches the words. Last cardI need to kill the set but haven't been willing to spend the money. If it real that's a decent deal I think. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2017, at 6:37 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > I dunno Jerry, > It looks like this one , only with a moustache ... > http://www.ebay.com/itm/MICKEY-MANTLE-Card-RP-Red-Heart-Yankees-1954/272496629748?_trksidp2047675.c100623.m-1&_trkparmsaid%3D222007%26algo%3DS= > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: January 1, 2017 at 6:32 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New YorkYankees HOFer TOUGH CARD! > Look at this on eBay > 1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New York Yankees HOFer TOUGH CARD! > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 20:03:22 -0800 Subject: Re: Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: "George Vrechek" Speaking of reprints, I collect Marshall Merrell prints of Milwaukee Braves from the 1950s. They are frequently advertised on eBay by Columbia Cards or Packersworld with buy it now prices of $40 or more. I contacted both sellers to let them know, that I knew, what they were selling were reprints from 1998. They still sell them. If for some reason, you start working on the set, I wouldn't buy anything on eBay, although the Columbia Cards guy did revise some listings. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 20:58:16 -0800 To: brian.lindholme@charter.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Red heart mantle From: Rick Not a expert that's one of the reasons I haven't pulled the trigger on any.First and second are reprints second no discussion necessary. The first looks like number three which is the real one. Only different I can see between one and three is that solid black line is wider in the reprint. So if they are saying backs look real that's probably what they are talking about. ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 07:22:10 -0500 To: ED SCHOTT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Bob Corvello Hi Ed, As you know, I am a big time Red Sox fan. That part is easy. Not so easy ispicking favorite players from the 60 or so years I have been following theteam. Names like Big Papi, Yaz, Williams, etc certainly fall into the mix,and I am particularly attracted to the hustle of guys like Pedroia and Betts on the current team; but I guess I am more of a team guy than a hero admirer. Though it was certainly not an artistic triumph, "Fever Pitch" is still a movie that brings tears to my eyes - for obvious reasons. Bob Corvello > On Jan 1, 2017, at 5:55 PM, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 09:53:40 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Red heart mantle [3 Attachments] From: Doug DeJong I bought one a long time ago (in the 1990s?) from Solomon Cramer when I was just dabbling in vintage material --- guess I should consider getting it authenticated someday. Gosh durn these reprints! On Sun, Jan 1, 2017 at 11:58 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_6599902595104900169_TopText> from Rick included below] > Not a expert that's one of the reasons I haven't pulled the trigger on > any. First and second are reprints second no discussion necessary. The > first looks like number three which is the real one. Only different I can > see between one and three is that solid black line is wider in the reprint. > So if they are saying backs look real that's probably what they are talking > about. > Sent from my iPad ================= To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" , Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 15:49:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone explain this lot? From: Mac Wubben A rabid HOM'er collection. Wonder if someone wants to drop $500 on being the new Woodie Held king collector. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 10:47 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone explain this lot? In the upcoming huggins & scott auction: https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid13100 ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 11:55:18 -0500 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone explain this lot? From: Yahoo I have not come up with a HOM'er yet would be a good way to start one with a great name. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2017, at 10:49, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A rabid HOM'er collection. Wonder if someone wants to drop $500 on beingthe new Woodie Held king collector. > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 10:47 AM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone explain this lot? > In the upcoming huggins & scott auction: > https://www.hugginsandscott.com/cgi-bin/showitem.pl?itemid13100 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 09:49:30 -0800 Subject: 1963 football Blue Sky variations From: "George Vrechek" Just like Mike Rich to lead you down this path. This site will help you figure them out. Bishop of Dallas is particularly hard to tell. http://rbwoodenpuzzles.com/1963/index.html George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 13:04:15 -0500 To: easchott@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Content-Language: en Happy new year. Nice idea Ed. Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root for. Another orange and Black team. Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American league team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun year. They had a lot of ex Giants. All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell Evans Bob All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 Giants are all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do not know. Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will not be a Giant. Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year for me. I am freaking out now. Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour from Randy Welk In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 18:04:53 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Goals-a day late and a dollar short? From: nick pelletier Please excuse any typos or seriously strange placements from things. I am writing this message while still on the mend from a flu, and more notably without my glasses which met an untimely demise from the slingshot effect on a wore rod. At least I had glasses on. Lenses can be replaced, Corneas not so easily. 2016 started with 19 Goals. sixteen goals were clearly met by finishing several basketball sets, knocking some sets down below arbitrary thresholds set or other clear standards for pass/fail. ne goal was a clear fail. Id hoped to add twenty hits to the T51 college series set and only hit 10 times. That leaves two goals hanging. Did I send out more RAOK's, Im not sure. Perhaps I should keep better records-or anyrecords whatsoever-but i dont. Did I stay on budget? Well? Where do I hope 2017 can tajke me.... Again, send out more RAOK's and to stay on budgetComplete the 1954 Bowman set with variations (9 to go)Complete SUNOCO stamp football (108 to go)Complete 1980 OPC baseball(6 to go)complete 1963 Topps hockey (3 to go)hit 1957 topps basketball 20 times(61 to go)complete 1972 topps football (12 to go)complete entore topps football run 1951-1980(see 1972 topps football) Ill probably come up with more but for right now thats about all ive got. Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 18:40:38 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Nonsports - Anyone collecting Soldier Boys? From: Patrick Prickett Anyone collecting Goudey Soldier Boys? I picked up a couple extra low grade ones. Shoot me your list if you collect and I'll check. Oh, and I still need 2 Scotch, 5 Russia, 6 Sweden and 19 Greece if anyone has them. (also looking for E. Rosen Soldiers). ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 13:49:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Random thoughts about card collecting..... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en 1- Better than the name Late Loser 2- How he didn't get the name "battery" or "sparky" is beyond me. Then again, Duracell probably didn't come out until the 70s. 3- I don't know either... Third base! 4- Because of the way he died. If he had finished up his career and retired, I am sure his cards would be just like any other superstar. 5- Well, I guess you can say, "That's DeLong and DeShort of it" 6- Reprints SUCK-- there I said it! And you still can't search well on ebay removing those tags! 7- There are a lot of dead people with cards. Seems the epidemic is only in certain areas, where these handful of sellers always find em. I bet they show up at funerals asking if they had any cards. 8- There probably are copyright issues, but the lawyers would get all the money anyways. 9- Hey, getting it slabbed jumps the value from .50 to $4. Oh yeah, it cost at least $8 to get it slabbed. Can someone say "Dumbass"? 10- These are the same idiots who in the 80s were going to make their retirement portfolio in Upper Deck cards. The auction houses don't help here all. They get WAY over value for cards. Sounds fishy to me. 11- Hey Cal was AWESOME. You never know. I know I would want to know it's not a reprint (see above) 12- I lost the same sleep looking over my 52 Bowman Mantles, you are not 13- "2" is a subjective number. Sometimes it means a double of something, sometimes it mean you have more than one. In this case, I am qualifying "2" as a prime number and integer. 14- The cards have been touched by "Dean" himself. Maybe he thinks he is the dean of all things baseball cards, like Mr Mint. You can't even negotiate with him on COMC. Maybe it's shill operation for card laundering. God knows we have all done card laundering to remove paper from the backs. Happy New Year! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/1/2017 8:53:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I love you Doug. Wes Shepard On Jan 1, 2017, at 1:38 PM, Doug DeJong _ddejong17@gmail.com_ (mailto:ddejong17@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Don=E2=99t have much going on today so I found the time to put down some collecting thoughts that I have. Apologize in advance for the random streams of consciousness. Here goes=E2=A6.. 1. Is Early Wynn not a great name for a pitcher? Good job to Early=E2=99 s parents. I like cool names and cool nicknames. 2. Were Al Kaline=E2=99s parents=E2=99 chemists with a good sense of humor? I still recall high school chemistry and the teacher asked what it meant if a solution was alkaline. My friend piped up that it meant the solution played for the Detroit Tigers which caused the boys to laugh and the chemistry teacher, Mr Benson, to look totally perplexed. 3. I was going to ask what the YA stood for in YA Tittle but googled it instead. Wow. I guess he couldn=E2=99t just go with =E2=9CY=E2=9D or it would have been like =E2=9Cwho=E2=99s on first=E2=9D. "Who is quarterback today?" "Y." "Because I want to know, that=E2=99s why!" 4. Why are Clemente cards always such a pain? Yes, he was good but I find his cards harder to find at a price I want to pay than anyone's. Every set he is among the last couple. I can always find a cheap Mays or Aaron, I never seem to find a Clemente at 5 or 10% of book. Looking at a57 Clemente on line right now that is almost 20% of book despite being listed (correctly so) as =E2=9CPoor=E2=9D. Why? 5. In the SCD listing in my book for the 1933 DeLong=E2=99s they have Ruth card pictured as the example. But there isn=E2=99t a Ruth card inthe set. What gives? 6. Are reprints getting more annoying, and worrisome, every time you look at eBay? You do a sort and see a nice beat up card you are looking for at a low starting price and then realize it is a reprint that was =E2made to look old on purpose=E2=99. These guys are annoying and I think eBayrules should insist they put reprint in the title and the option of =E2 original/reprint=E2=99 should always have to be accurate. 7. Speaking of reprints, do the disclaimers that it was bought at an estate sale and seems real but is listed as a reprint really work? I guess so or they wouldn=E2=99t be so common. 8. Speaking of reprints, are there no copyright rules on the cards? There is a guy on Etsy that has an entire store dedicated to making the reprints you want and then =E2ages=E2=99 them for you. No laws govern 9. Speaking of reprints, what is the point of getting a reprint slabbed? Seriously, who says to themselves =E2=9CI want a fake card, but it must be a really nice fake card and I will pay extra for PSA to tell me it is a nice fake card=E2=9D?? 10. Speaking of graded cards, who are the people willing to pay the $1.45 MILLION dollars being asked for a SCG 98 Gem Mint Ryan RC (as seen on _SportsMemorabilia.com_ (http://sportsmemorabilia.com/) )? Or the listing on eBay of $1,500 for the PSA 10 1968 Manny Sanguillen card? 11. Speaking of slabbed cards, on the other extreme --- who gets the 1968 Topps Cal Ermer card slabbed so they could ask $2.50 for the PSA 4? Granted Cal was manager of the greatest team my childhood could imagine but even I can look at that card in the holder and know it isn=E2=99t worth getting graded. Is someone worried their Cal Ermer might be fake? 12. I get slabbing older and valuable cards to ensure they are real, etc. However, after the link was shared about the PSA scam I lost a night=E2=99s sleep looking over all my PSA 1952 Topps Mantles to see if they were authentic. OK, that didn=E2=99t happen. But see how being an off grade collector is better for your health? 13. Speaking of PSA, why is one slabbed card called a =E2=9C2=E2=9D because of a miscut or a mark, but the next gets a =E2=9C5=E2=9D with the qualifier of a miscut or a mark? I have stared at two Gibson RC=E2=99s that looked the same to me and was told the PSA 2 was because it was miscut. Ok, I get it. But the next one was a PSA 5 and had a qualifier of being miscut. It was going for more than twice as much. The guy selling them even agreed they looked identical. Is there some trick I don=E2=99t know about? Just curious. 14. Do the guys that come up with the prices for Dean=E2=99s Cards live in a state where marijuana is legal? Seriously, you can be looking at all the eBay listings for Card XYZ, and you will see a Dean=E2=99s card listed ridiculously above the comparable cards that are right there for everyone to Wouldn=E2=99t you look at the other cards listed at BIN and try to be somewhat OK, that=E2=99s all for now. Happy collecting everyone!! Doug DeJong ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 13:57:42 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New York Yankees ... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en He looks like Senior Wences.... All you kids under 55.. look it up! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/1/2017 9:30:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Look at this on eBay _1954 RED HEART MICKEY MANTLE EX-MT RARE New York Yankees HOFer TOUGH CARD!_ (https://www.ebay.com/itm/172447123623) Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:35:39 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2016-17 Playoff Pool - post season call! From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Howdy Sports Fans: Third time calling all interested fans. Please note that we have an option now for your entry fee -- either $10 cash or a card with a condition adjusted value of $10. Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. Once you pick your players, you just sit back and watch - no weekly changes. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with close to that number already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYING ASAP with an email to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) (not the server that you got this email on asi always get a chance to check those). For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it (like the Bears and Browns), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus EITHER a baseball/football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10, OR $10 cash. The $1 or $11 should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family (via checking account so that no fees are deducted) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Entries of a baseball/football card must bepostmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 6, 2016 and mailed to me at the address below. The playoff schedule looks like this: AFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Miami at 3 Pittsburgh, 5 Oakland at 4 Houston (1 New England and 2 Kansas City each have a BYE) AFC Week 2 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/14 and 1/15): 1 New England at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Kansas City at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3 (Sunday, January 22): Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Detroit at 3 Seattle, 5 New York Giants at 4 Green Bay (1 Dallas and 2 Atlanta each have a BYE) NFC Week 2 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/14 and 1/15): 1 Dallas at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Atlanta at home vs. highest seeded Week One NFC Week 3 (Sunday, January 22): Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4 (Sunday, February 5): Super Bowl This weekend (January 7-8) marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Make sure to include position, name and ranking. Include first name of player and position as there are more than one with the same last name on the team. NOTE: For purposes of our playoff pool, Ty Montgomery (Packers) should be considered a Running Back, and Tyreek Hill (Chiefs) should be considered a Wide Receiver. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 or $11 entry fee must be received via Paypal Friends and Family (please use your checking account so no fees are taken out) by 10 AM Central on January 7 as and your prize card (if you are not paying $10 must be postmarked no later than January 6. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 60% of the cards, 2nd place gets 30%, 3rd place gets 10% (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before 2 PM CST. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. Your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family by 10 AM Central on Saturday, January 7, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 on Friday, January 6, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM CST. Thanks and Good Luck! Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:45:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1963 football Blue Sky variations From: Andy Cook I'm simultaneously excited and appalled by this information. I'm feeling a strong urge to make my 63 set into a master set. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 16:39:37 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, taylor_schock@hotmail.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 football Blue Sky variations From: mikesportsfan@aol.com This is a great site. I have been trying to figure out how to determine the variations for years. I will have to compare my set to the site and see how many I have determined as variations match up. My records have me withover 2/3 of a variation set. According to the site, the team cards and checklists do NOT come in the variation. Unfortunately, my list of variations needed only listed 2 of the 16 cards, so I thought I had variations on 14 cards that supposedly do not exist. I am showing I need close to 50 moreto have a dupe set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: taylor_schock ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 12:49 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 football Blue Sky variations Just like Mike Rich to lead you down this path. This site will help you figure them out. Bishop of Dallas is particularly hard to tell. http://rbwoodenpuzzles.com/1963/index.html George Vrechek ================= To: , Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 13:56:29 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 football Blue Sky variations From: "George Vrechek" Yes, I thought the anonymous author did a great job of investigating and documenting these variations. The first printing contained red in the sky andtrees which were quickly corrected when the result appeared to be the wrong color. These are not printing differences as defined. Only the affected areas on the card were intentionally changed and many cards didn=E2=99t need any change. He (or she) shared it with the world years ago. I always took my cards with me when I went to a show to make sure I was buying the right version. It probably took me 10 years to get where I am now on the variations. Some are easy to tell, others not so much. A magnifying glass would help. Unfortunately I need Lilly both ways still. From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: Monday, January 2, 2017 1:40 PM To: vrechek@ameritech.net; taylor_schock@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 football Blue Sky variations This is a great site. I have been trying to figure out how to determine the variations for years. I will have to compare my set to the site and see how many I have determined as variations match up. My records have me withover 2/3 of a variation set. According to the site, the team cards and checklists do NOT come in the variation. Unfortunately, my list of variations needed only listed 2 of the 16 cards, so I thought I had variations on 14 cards that supposedly do not exist. I am showing I need close to 50 moreto have a dupe set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> To: taylor_schock < taylor_schock@hotmail.com>; OBC-Ramblings < OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 12:49 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1963 football Blue Sky variations Just like Mike Rich to lead you down this path. This site will help you figure them out. Bishop of Dallas is particularly hard to tell. http://rbwoodenpuzzles.com/1963/index.html George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 17:40:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dayton Daily News From: ChicoD1@aol.com There was some talk earlier about guys wanting some of these. Here's a bunch on ebay and taking a best offer. All I need is the Gentry, so if any of you guys go for it or do a coalition, I'll jump in my share for Gary. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Dayton-Daily-News-Lot-40-dif-Aparcio-McDowell-W Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 02 Jan 2017 15:05:12 -0800 To: Subject: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 18:08:30 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole gamecards. Again no players on the cards. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections. I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals. By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport". My "count" of 16,778 for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787. This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, nor the 1974 & 1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's. However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need to be subtracted? Namely, the checklist cards. Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years do not.George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards. So do we need to subtract more cards or still count them since they were part of the numbered set? What about cards that only have team logos on them, without any players? George also doesnot count fictional players. This got me thinking about a UV era card of the San Diego Chicken. If issued during the vintage era, would that count??? I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cut in 1/2). If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal of getting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questionscould set me back or possibly boost me up. I think I am in the 74,000 range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble. Ihave not counted my Coke caps towards this goal. I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salada, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Our National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, 1944Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans, Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - would there be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???. If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. George, you have no idea what you have started!!! Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 18:21:29 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Daily News From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I only need 7 of these (I have the Gentry), and would be willing to go in on the lot if someone else wants to pull the trigger. I have the rare "Cloninger", so no need for me to get that one if the lot is split. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 5:41 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Daily News There was some talk earlier about guys wanting some of these. Here's a bunch on ebay and taking a best offer. All I need is the Gentry, so if any of you guys go for it or do a coalition, I'll jump in my share for Gary. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1970-Dayton-Daily-News-Lot-40-dif-Aparcio-McDowell-Wilhelm-Nolan-Tolan-Boog-RARE-/142203068381?hashitem211bf69fdd:g:yjEAAOS= Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 18:49:04 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm inclined to count 1975 Mini as a set unto itself. There was no such thing as a "parallel" set back then. They were released as a set unto themselves. I counted the 74 and 76 traded sets. They were a set themselves. think we should also count things like the checklists cards from 56/57. They were actually part of those sets, even if unnumbered. If we don't count those, we would, theoretically, have to remove all the checklist cards from sets. They are not variations, just set extensions. I count the 4-in-1's as one card. They were issued that way, even though I collect them both ways for the Jets. I would think the same for the Double Plays. They were issued as one card. Coins and the such were not included in George's original guidelines. Had to be a "card". Things like 70/71 Supers, 80 supers- These were all cards in my collection. Fleer makes things interesting. They issued "baseball" cards various times, but no picture of a player. I counted the 70/71 World Series cards. Do I also count the Cloth Stickers? Wacky Days and Plays? Quiz cards? Do the Knot Hole cards have a designation? If so, we may have to count em- Jeff did LOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2017 6:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards. Again no players on the cards. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections. I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals. By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport". My "count" of 16,778 for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787. This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, nor the 1974& 1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's. However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need to be subtracted? Namely, the checklist cards. Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years not. George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards. So do we need to subtract more cards or still count them since they were part of the numbered set? What about cards that only have team logos on them, without any players? George alsodoes not count fictional players. This got me thinking about a UV era card of the San Diego Chicken. If issued during the vintage era, would that I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cut in 1/2). If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal of getting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questions could set me back or possibly boost me up. I think I am in the 74,000 range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble. I have not counted my Coke caps towards this goal. I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salada, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Our National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans, Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - wouldthere be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???. If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. 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Disappointed, but not surprised about not counting cans, caps, coins, cups,pins, records have a vote against them. Would using a designation of a "flat" item, count, and therefore decals, matchbooks, stamps and stickers still Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level I'm inclined to count 1975 Mini as a set unto itself. There was no such thing as a "parallel" set back then. They were released as a set unto themselves. I counted the 74 and 76 traded sets. They were a set themselves. I think we should also count things like the checklists cards from 56/57. They were actually part of those sets, even if unnumbered. If we don't count those, we would, theoretically, have to remove all the checklist cards from all sets. They are not variations, just set extensions. I count the 4-in-1's asone card. They were issued that way, even though I collect them both ways for the Jets. I would think the same for the Double Plays. They were issuedas one card. Coins and the such were not included in George's original guidelines. Had to be a "card". Things like 70/71 Supers, 80 supers- These were all cards inmy Fleer makes things interesting. They issued "baseball" cards various times,but no picture of a player. I counted the 70/71 World Series cards. Do I also count the Cloth Stickers? Wacky Days and Plays? Quiz cards? Do the Knot Hole cards have a designation? If so, we may have to count em- Jeff did LOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2017 6:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards. Again no players on the cards. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections. I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals. By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport". My "count" of 16,778 for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787. This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, nor the 1974 & 1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's. However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need to be subtracted? Namely, the checklist cards. Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years do not. George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards. So do we need to subtract more cards or still count them since they were part of the numbered set? What about cards that only have team logos on them, without anyplayers? George also does not count fictional players. This got me thinking about a UV era card of the San Diego Chicken. If issued during thevintage era, would that count??? I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cutin 1/2). If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal of getting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questions could set me back or possibly boost me up. I think I am in the 74,000range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble. I have not counted my Coke caps towards this goal. I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salada, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Our National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, 1944 Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans,Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - would there be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???. If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. George, you have no idea what you have started!!! Mike Rich Posted by: mikesportsfan@aol.com Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (2) Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an emailagain with 1000GB of free cloud storage. ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 0:26:02 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Woodie Held From: Owner of a Woodie Held collection? That should be me - since Woodie is my official Hall of Mediocrity inductee (and you new guys, if you have not visited the Hall, you should - and maybe make your own additions.....) Bill Malson ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 19:44:20 -0500 To: Andy Cook Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1963 football Blue Sky variations From: Anthony Hello all, Not sure if I believe in this variation when it is like the post sets whichare numerous. At least he wl in the 69 set is a range just like the 62 greenies. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2017, at 2:45 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I'm simultaneously excited and appalled by this information. I'm feeling a strong urge to make my 63 set into a master set. > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 02 Jan 2017 20:07:28 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Ken M     I'm going with this: If it's listed in the "Standard Catalog of Baseball CARDS", it's a card. HOWEVER, the book also includes some related non-card (not printed on cardboard or paper) collectibles. This would include cards blankets, leathers, pins, coins, stickers and stamps. I included these in my total, as most (if not all) of what I have are Topps inserts. I may have to rethink that part, at least for the coins. There's a lot of related collectible stuff that ISN'T listed. It would therefore NOT include such things as bottle caps, superballs, cups, cans, statues, bobble-heads and stuff that isn't "relatively flat".  The book (SCD) lists the complete set of 1941 Double Play cards complete at 75 cards, even though the set has 150 numbered players. I don't think there's too much confusion on this, except the people in this group like to collect the more affordable cut up versions of these sets. My total doesn't include variations or 'pieces' of what was originally issu ed.  The book also lists other directly related CARDS for a particular set at the beginning or end of the set listing. (IE: checklists, contest cards, felt pennant ads). The set is complete without them, but they are still considered cards in the set, so I'm including them in my total. My two cent wax wrapper, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:49 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Mike, I'm inclined to count 1975 Mini as a set unto itself. There was no such thing as a "parallel" set back then. They were released as a set unto themselves. I counted the 74 and 76 traded sets. They were a set themselves. I think we should also count things like the checklists cards from 56/57. They were actually part of those sets, even if unnumbered. If we don't count those, we would, theoretically, have to remove all the checklist cards from all sets. They are not variations, just set extensions. I count the 4-in-1's as one card. They were issued that way, even though I collect them both ways for the Jets. I would think the same for the Double Plays. They were issued as one card.  Coins and the such were not included in George's original guidelines. Had to be a "card". Things like 70/71 Supers, 80 supers- These were all cards in my collection.  Fleer makes things interesting. They issued "baseball" cards various times, but no picture of a player. I counted the 70/71 World Series cards. Do I also count the Cloth Stickers? Wacky Days and Plays? Quiz cards?  Do the Knot Hole cards have a designation? If so, we may have to count em- Jeff did LOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992  In a message dated 1/2/2017 6:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes:  Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards.  Again no players on the cards. Mike -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level   Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections.  I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals.  By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport".  My "count" of 16,778 for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787.  This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, nor the 1974 & 1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's.  However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need to be subtracted?  Namely, the checklist cards.  Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years do not.  George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards.  So do we need to subtract more cards or still count them since they were part o f the numbered set?  What about cards that only have team logos on them, without any players?  George also does not count fictional players.  This got me thinking about a UV era card of the San Diego Chicken.  If issued during the vintage era, would that count???  I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cut in 1/2).  If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal of getting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questions could set me back or possibly boost me up.  I think I am in the 74,000 range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble.  I have not counted my Coke caps towards this goal.  I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salad a, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Our National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, 1944 Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans, Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - would there be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???.  If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. George, you have no idea what you have started!!! Mike Rich Posted by: mikesportsfan@aol.com Reply via web post • Reply to sender • ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 01:41:10 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Jan waivers From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- With the talk of Card Recognition levels flying about, I think I am destined for D Ball category. Once I get all the Sovereigns from T205/T206, I will have 612 cards. I have binders of all the Topps/Bowman cards, and tons of other stuff...but I don't really collect it anymore and just trade it off, so I don't really count those. So in the spirit of going for low man on the totem pole, here's a few to give away this month: 1959 Topps:#367 Cal Neeman#377 Johnny Antonelli 1972 Topps:#523 Chuck Dobson#624 Minor League Player of the Year Award#628 Terry Crowley#632 Mike Hegan Can there be any cards worse than the Boyhood photos and Trophies of the 1972 set? I can't imagine how many of those survived. There were a couple solid picks for the Minor League Award, notably Luis Tiant and Bobby Grich, and some solid Topps commons for years to come, like Roger Freed and Tony Solaita. If interested in any of the above cards, let me know...and include your address, if you think of it. Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 21:03:39 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en These were the original guidelines George put out there. It's his game, so his rules LOL... Personally, you know I'd LOVE to count variations! The instructions I think I gave were: Sports trading cards issued before 1981 Not counting variations Not counting stuff that isn't a card Not counting minor league sets from the 1970s Not counting police sets Not counting any duplicates Not counting "collector" sets - which are hard to define A T206 Wagner is only "worth" the same as a 1980 Topps common. In my own count, for example, I included T218s, tobacco era type cards, 1979 OPeeChee hockey, 1951 Topps Ringside, Sportcaster cards (I think I had 4 of them), etc. I didn=E2=99t include cups, coins, bottle caps, etc. George Vrechek Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2017 8:07:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I'm going with this: If it's listed in the "Standard Catalog of Baseball CARDS", it's a card. HOWEVER, the book also includes some related non-card (not printed on cardboard or paper) collectibles. This would include cards blankets, leathers, pins, coins, stickers and stamps. I included these in my total, as most (if not all) of what I have are Topps inserts. I may have to rethink that part, at least for the coins. There's a lot of related collectible stuff that ISN'T listed. It would therefore NOT include such things as bottle caps, superballs, cups, cans, statues, bobble-heads and stuff that isn't "relatively flat". The book (SCD) lists the complete set of 1941 Double Play cards complete at 75 cards, even though the set has 150 numbered players. I don't think there's too much confusion on this, except the people in this group like to collect the more affordable cut up versions of these sets. My total doesn't include variations or 'pieces' of what was originally issued. The book also lists other directly related CARDS for a particular set at the beginning or end of the set listing. (IE: checklists, contest cards, felt pennant ads). The set is complete without them, but they are still considered cards in the set, so I'm including them in my total. My two cent Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: _ChicoD1@aol.com_ (mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:49 PM To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Su bject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level I'm inclined to count 1975 Mini as a set unto itself. There was no such thing as a "parallel" set back then. They were released as a set unto themselves. I counted the 74 and 76 traded sets. They were a set themselves. think we should also count things like the checklists cards from 56/57. They were actually part of those sets, even if unnumbered. If we don't count those, we would, theoretically, have to remove all the checklist cards from sets. They are not variations, just set extensions. I count the 4-in-1's as one card. They were issued that way, even though I collect them both ways for the Jets. I would think the same for the Double Plays. They were issued as one card. Coins and the such were not included in George's original guidelines. Had to be a "card". Things like 70/71 Supers, 80 supers- These were all cards in my collection. Fleer makes things interesting. They issued "baseball" cards various times, but no picture of a player. I counted the 70/71 World Series cards.Do also count the Cloth Stickers? Wacky Days and Plays? Quiz cards? Do the Knot Hole cards have a designation? If so, we may have to count em- Jeff did LOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2017 6:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,_ (mailto:%20OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) writes: Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards. Again no players on the cards. -----Original Message----- From:_ mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:%20mikesportsfan@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] _obc-ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com a"">>_ To: OBC-Ramblings _>_ (mailto: In George's original request while he was writing his article he said countanything that was listed in the SCD book. Only singles not dupes or variations. And for a total it had to be sport "cards" not non-sport "cards". I did count my coins/stamps etc. because they are listed in the SCD book. But as he says everyone can do what ever they want. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:08 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards. Again no players on the cards. > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections. I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals. By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport". My "count" of 16,778for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787. This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, nor the 1974 &1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's. However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need to be subtracted?Namely, the checklist cards. Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years do not. George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards. So do we need to subtract more cards orstill count them since they were part of the numbered set? What about cards that only have team logos on them, without any players? George also does not count fictional players. This got me thinking about a UV era card ofthe San Diego Chicken. If issued during the vintage era, would that count??? > I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cut in 1/2). If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? > As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal ofgetting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questions could set me back or possibly boost me up. I think I am in the 74,000 range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble. I have not counted my Coke caps towards this goal. I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salada, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Our National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, 1944 Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans, Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - would there be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???. If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. > George, you have no idea what you have started!!! > Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 22:31:04 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en OK I updated my spreadsheet based on what I already listed. I am at 18,894 total (I haven't even put the Dodgers I have on it yet) and 15,840 Topps cards. Am I over the Mendoza line yet? I started a new column for the variations, so I'll do some adding separately to that next time this thread me update it. The Dodgers prewar will put me over 20k, so I guess I have reached the Bud Harrelson level (or the number of coke caps Mike and Mark Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2017 9:58:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: In George's original request while he was writing his article he said count anything that was listed in the SCD book. Only singles not dupes or variations. And for a total it had to be sport "cards" not non-sport "cards". did count my coins/stamps etc. because they are listed in the SCD book. But as he says everyone can do what ever they want. Rick Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2017, at 3:08 PM, _mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards. Again no players on the cards. -----Original Message----- From: _mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > To: OBC-Ramblings <_OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections. I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals. By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport". My "count" of 16,778 for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787. This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, nor the 1974& 1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's. However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need to be subtracted? Namely, the checklist cards. Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years not. George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards. So do we need to subtract more cards or still count them since they were part of the numbered set? What about cards that only have team logos on them, without any players? George also does not count fictional players. This got me thinking about a UV era card the San Diego Chicken. If issued during the vintage era, would that I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cut in 1/2). If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal of getting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questions could set me back or possibly boost me up. I think I am in the 74,000 range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble. I have not counted my Coke caps towards this goal. I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salada, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Our National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans, Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - wouldthere be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???. If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. George, you have no idea what you have started!!! Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Mon, 2 Jan 2017 20:28:45 -0800 Subject: Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: "George Vrechek" I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) after being treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answers are found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our directory page. I don't know if anyone noticed that I also added a small section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. 1. A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full card even if it is only half the size. 2. A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on the card 2, 4 or an entire team. 3. If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn't gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. 4. The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I'm not quite sure. 5. Variations don't count; otherwise we would have to debate whether the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. 6. Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring players under contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. 7. The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) that are in the catalog but don't look like cards. I mention them in the article, but didn't really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I'll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn't count them. 8. I didn't count the various police sets and minor league issues in the 1970s because they weren't in the catalog. However, I'm not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I'm not quite sure; it's gotten confusing, even for me. 9. My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards. But who is counting? George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 00:55:09 -0500 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: ShoelessWes My favorite team ever is the Cincinnati Reds. There's something to be said about the first ever 'professional' team in the majors. (I'm sure somebody knows something about New York, per se, that may contradict that fact. Sortof how North Carolina was 'first in flight', despite the Wright brothers inventing and flying in Dayton before then, but I digress.) Baseball was and is always my favorite sport of all. I dont remember seeingRose run the bases, but my pops does, and vouches. By the time i loved thegame, Charlie Hustle was a manager, and hustling more than just the baseline. In 1989-90 era Reds, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin and Chris Sabo were gods.Holy crap was Sabo good. My favorite all time player is Pete Rose, but I wanted to actually be Ken Griffey Jr. when I was 11. My favorite players today are Joey Votto. He's humble, clutch and consistent. He has no emotion, which contributes to his lack of leadership, but he is a great player. It takes a real man to go by 'Joey' or 'Mickey' or 'Johnny' or 'Sparky'..... I have a sweet spot for pitchers, and Justin Verlander fills that void, just as Nolan Ryan did before he retired. I named my son Nolan instead of Pete. Wes Shepard > On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Happy new year. > Nice idea Ed. > Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root for.Another orange and Black team. > Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American league team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun year. They had a lot of ex Giants. > All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds > All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell Evans Bob > All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 Giantsare all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do not know. Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will not be a Giant. > Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year for me. I am freaking out now. > Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour from now. > Randy Welk > In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 08:51:15 -0500 Subject: Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th From: "Bob Donaldson" Reminder of my OBC gathering on Sunday. Anytime after noon. From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:24 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' Cc: 'Ken M' ; 'Matthew Glidden' Subject: Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th I will be having an OBC gathering at my house in Arlington MA on January 8th, any time after noon. There will be playoff football and lots of food. Maybe even swapping of cardboard. Ken Morganti will be there delivering girl scout cookies for anyone who's placed an order. I have a couple of spare beds if anyone wants to come from afar. One item of note. I have two dogs (Golden Retriever and Lab/hound mix) and they like people - a lot. If you are bothered by dogs trying to lick you in the face or jump on your lap, this might not be the place for you :). LMK if interested. Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:57:49 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2016 and 2017 goals From: Joel Freedman Hi, I had some high level and set level goals for 2016. The first time in my life I put together a goal of this nature. Some were achieved, some were over achieved and some were not achieved. Through all of this, I can say I have learned a lot about Topps cards issued in the fifties and sixties. As the year went on I realized that to me, the most important goal to me was to achieve the Charles Bray level of 35K. As I refined my list and worked to the goal, I found duplicate vintage sets counted. After numerous email discussions I came to an understanding about the non-sport card world. In short, they are their own universe and not part of the sport card world. Thus, I removed non sport cards, this set my back about 3K Then in December I, added Greenies, Cream, Gray, Red, Black and White backs. My logical thought process is that the set now increased with these =E2=9Cparallel=E2=9D issues. They are different cards and should be counted in the total. However, this does change the total number of cards in the set and changes the name to master set. This thought process now left in me in a quandary, if I changed the total number in the set and call it a master set, did I meet the original goal of 2016 which was to achieve half the set? So I have stumped myself and will work with only one goal in 2017, to reach Charles Bray and 35K. Maybe by the end of the year, I will sort out how many cards are actually in a set and then set, a master set goal for 2018. Did you guys get all that? I think one has to be a card collector to understand what I just did to myself and my 2016 goals. Based on the original goal, here is how I did. *Topps Baseball Year*; *2016 Goal* 1951; set >50% met; 1952; 54 to go; 1953; set >50% met; 1954; set >50% met; 1956; set >50% met; 1958; set >50% met; 1960; set >50% met; 1962; set >50% met; *Topps Football Year*; *2016 Goal* 1955; 25 to go 1961; 41 to go 1960; set >50% met 1963; 12 to go 1964; 11 to go 1965; 40 to go 1966; set >50% met 1967, 17 to go *2016 Vintage Sport Card Goal*; *35000* Total Vintage Sport Card Total; 32648 To Go; 2352 (not achieved) 35k Charles Bray Level; (93.2%) 50k Lionel Carter (a few years to go) Different Red Sox Cards; 20300 *2016 Goal;* *20000*; Goal Met! Thanks to all that have helped me! ================= Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 15:22:36 +0000 To: Bob Donaldson , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th From: Matthew Glidden Thanks Bob, see you between noon and 1! On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 8:51 AM Bob Donaldson wrote: > Reminder of my OBC gathering on Sunday. Anytime after noon. > Thanks > Bob > *From:* Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] > *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:24 PM > *To:* 'OBC Ramblings' > *Cc:* 'Ken M' ; 'Matthew Glidden' < > glidden.matthew@gmail.com> > *Subject:* Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th > I will be having an OBC gathering at my house in Arlington MA on January 8 > th, any time after noon. There will be playoff football and lots of > food. Maybe even swapping of cardboard. Ken Morganti will be there > delivering girl scout cookies for anyone who=E2=99s placed an order. I have a > couple of spare beds if anyone wants to come from afar. > One item of note. I have two dogs (Golden Retriever and Lab/hound mix) > and they like people - a lot. If you are bothered by dogs trying to lick > you in the face or jump on your lap, this might not be the place for you J > . > LMK if interested. > Thanks > Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:24:05 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and more confusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below says ifit comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, whywould the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets fromthe 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. Andy Cook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that are in the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds and deletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It lists 1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians Photo/Picturepacks. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not in the book. I still count these. #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind of discs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the mid-70s,my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, Cranes, DairyIsle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up quickly. I do count Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not countthem. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issued by the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issued as part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards" on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, including the pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, then Ineed to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA pinsshould This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; if we invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Where do you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggest stresses in my life now that I am not working. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) after being treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answers are found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our directory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also added a small section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full cardeven if it is only half the size. A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on the card 2, 4 or an entire team. If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whether the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring players under contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) that are in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in the article, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues in the 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m notquite sure; it=E2=99s gotten con fusing, even for me. My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards. Butwho is counting? George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 10:36:20 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson , 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: Re: Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th From: Ken M I'm probably working in the morning, so look for me a little closer to 2 or 3. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Bob DonaldsonDate: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:51 AMTo: 'OBC Ramblings';Cc: 'Ken M';'Matthew Glidden';Subject:Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th Reminder of my OBC gathering on Sunday.  Anytime after noon. Thanks Bob From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 1:24 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' > Cc: 'Ken M' >; 'Matthew Glidden' > Subject: Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th I will be having an OBC gathering at my house in Arlington MA on January 8th, any time after noon.  There will be playoff football and lots of food.  Maybe even swapping of cardboard.  Ken Morganti will be there delivering girl scout cookies for anyone who’s placed an order.  I have a couple of spare beds if anyone wants to come from afar. One item of note.  I have two dogs (Golden Retriever and Lab/hound mix) and they like people - a lot.  If you are bothered by dogs trying to lick you in the face or jump on your lap, this might not be the place for you J. LMK if interested. Thanks Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:43:53 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Thanks Ken. I had completely forgotten about the 1970 Superballs (akaChem Toy aka Tyco). I am closing in on this 288 count set (not counting variations). 1969 & 1974 Topps stamps were issued in sheets of 12, but most are put in the albums or are perforated. So are they 24 sheets or 240 (48 double prints)? I am analogizing this to the 4 in 1 stamps. 1961 & 1962 Topps stampswere issued in 2 stamp panels. So are there 207 & 200 individual stamps respectively OR 182 and 245 stamp panel combinations??? One area that would help certain guys, but not me is that we count Topps, OPC, Venezuelans as separate issues that each count as well as Post, Post Canadian and Jello, but we do not count the different backs in the T-205s andT-206s, such as Piedmont and Sweet Caporal. Same fronts, but issued by orthrough different companies. How does this differ??? Again this would also go back to my MSA disc comments earlier. So using that logic, Mark Talbot could count each of his Mecca, Hassan, Tolstoi and C-52s from the T-218 fronts, but NOT his factory differences in Mecca and Hassan. I think we are now headed down the path of, "How do you get 3 different answers? Ask 2 different people. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 8:07 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level I'm going with this: If it's listed in the "Standard Catalog of Baseball CARDS", it's a card. HOWEVER, the book also includes some related non-card (not printed on cardboard or paper) collectibles. This would include cards blankets, leathers, pins, coins, stickers and stamps. I included these inmy total, as most (if not all) of what I have are Topps inserts. I may have to rethink that part, at least for the coins. There's a lot of related collectible stuff that ISN'T listed. It would therefore NOT include such things as bottle caps, superballs, cups, cans, statues, bobble-heads and stuffthat isn't "relatively flat". The book (SCD) lists the complete set of 1941 Double Play cards complete at 75 cards, even though the set has 150 numbered players. I don't think there's too much confusion on this, except the people in this group like to collect the more affordable cut up versions of these sets. My total doesn't include variations or 'pieces' of what was originally issued. The book also lists other directly related CARDS for a particular set at the beginning or end of the set listing. (IE: checklists, contest cards, felt pennant ads). The set is complete without them, but they are still considered cards in the set, so I'm including them in my total. My two cent wax wrapper, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:49 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Su bject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level I'm inclined to count 1975 Mini as a set unto itself. There was no such thing as a "parallel" set back then. They were released as a set unto themselves. I counted the 74 and 76 traded sets. They were a set themselves. I think we should also count things like the checklists cards from 56/57. They were actually part of those sets, even if unnumbered. If we don't count those, we would, theoretically, have to remove all the checklist cards from all sets. They are not variations, just set extensions. I count the 4-in-1's asone card. They were issued that way, even though I collect them both waysfor the Jets. I would think the same for the Double Plays. They were issued as one card. Coins and the such were not included in George's original guidelines. Had to be a "card". Things like 70/71 Supers, 80 supers- These were all cards inmy Fleer makes things interesting. They issued "baseball" cards various times,but no picture of a player. I counted the 70/71 World Series cards. Do I also count the Cloth Stickers? Wacky Days and Plays? Quiz cards? Do the Knot Hole cards have a designation? If so, we may have to count em- Jeff did LOL. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2017 6:08:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Spike's 2017 goals reminds me that I need a ruling on Goudey Knot Hole game cards. Again no players on the cards. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] obc-ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Lately I have been re-reading George's articles regarding the Card Recognition levels and theoretical card collections. I am looking for more consensus on whether a few cards count or not towards the goals. By George's definition, cards have to have an "athlete in a sport". My "count " of16,778 for the 1951-1980 Topps BB regular issues was close to George's count of 16,787. This did not count the team checklists in 1973-1979, northe 1974 & 1976 Topps Traded sets and the 1975 mini's. However, using George's definition do some other cards in the regular issued sets need tobe subtracted? Namely, the checklist cards. Now some years, such as 1967 & 1969 immediately come to mind, have small pictures of players on them, most years do not. George's and my count did not include the 1956-7 unnumbered checklist cards, nor the contest/offer cards. So do we need tosubtract more cards or still count them since they were part of the numbered set? What about cards that only have team logos on them, without any players? George also does not count fictional players. This got me thinking about a UV era card of the San Diego Chick en. If issued during the vintage era, would that count??? I do not know if 1941 Double Play would count as 150 or 75 (2 card panels) (I have not finished this set having 60 2 card panel plus 4 numbers cutin 1/2). If they count as 150, then what about 4 in 1 issues such as 1935 Goudey and 1969 Topps Football 4 in 1 stamps??? As I struggle to squeeze out a few more cards to count towards my goal of getting to the Burdick 80,000 vintage sports cards, these types of questions could set me back or possibly boost me up. I think I am in the 74,000range at present, depending on the answers to the questions on this ramble. I have not counted my Coke caps towards this goal. I do not recall if I have counted other items, such as Salada, Citgo, Armour, Old London, Topps coins, Auravision and Mattel records, 8x10 and 5x7 photos, posters, Ou r National Game, 1956 Topps, P2 Sweet Caporal, etc. pins, matchbooks, Eureka, 1944 Yankees, Topps, etc. stamps, RC Cola and Canada Dry cans, Slurpee, etc. cups, Chiquita FB viewer slides, magazines containing cards or "stamps/stickers" (i.e. 1969 MLBPA stamps), and/or insert stickers - would there be a difference if it is team logos or a player on them???. If I have to delete those that I did count, it may lower my count by a couple of thousand. George, you have no idea what you have started!!! Mike Rich Posted by: mikesportsfan@aol.com Reply via web post Reply to sender ================= To: , Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:27:56 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: "George Vrechek" Well I certainly don=E2=99t want to discourage any enthusiasm for the goal, and Mike is a role model for the modern day Jefferson Burdicks. I love the comparison to inviting Mike=E2=99s Aunt Ruth, who I don=E2=99t think I have met, but would be happy to invite. Mike has gotten much further into the various corners of collecting than most of us. How about, we use acriteria that Burdick would have had to use? The =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D has to be issued before 1981, include a sport topic, and you have tobe able to theoretically paste it into a scrapbook that you could leave with the Metropolitan Museum of Art, if you were so inclined. I think this would include in the counting fun =E2=93 matchbooks, discs,coins, stamps, minor league sets, police sets, picture packs, but not Slurpee cups, balls, pins, bobble-heads, Hartlands and other odd-balls. I know as soon as I write this, Mike will be able to find some gray areas, and I look forward to the all-expense paid retreat to mull over any remaining grayareas such as pasting APBA cards in the scrapbooks. And what=E2=99s a sport =E2=9Ctopic=E2=9D anyway? And what about the =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D? Does that include variations or not, how about printing differences? What about Poncho (Herrera)? As I recall didn=E2=99t Burdick=E2=99s collection at the Met include a box of oversized items? In my article I wrote, =E2=9CIt is challenging to determine what should be counted as a vintage sport card. Whatever totals are derived will lack precision and universal agreement. The more you know about scarce, vintage sports issues, the more you realize how extensive the field is, and how difficult it is for anyone to be expert in all vintage cardboard.=E2=9D (letalone stuff that isn=E2=99t cardboard.) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:24 AM To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and more confusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below says ifit comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, why would the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets from the 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. Andy Cook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that are in the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds and deletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It lists 1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians Photo/Picture packs. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not in the book. Istill count these. #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind of discs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the mid-70s,my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, Cranes, DairyIsle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up quickly. I do count Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not countthem. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issued by the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issued as part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards" on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, including the pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, then Ineed to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA pinsshould This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; if we invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Where do you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggest stresses in my life now that I am not working. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) after being treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answers are found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our directory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also added a small section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. 1. A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full card even if it is only half the size. 2. A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on the card 2, 4 or an entire team. 3. If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. 4. The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. 5. Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whether the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. 6. Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring playersunder contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. 7. The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) thatare in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in the article, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. 8. I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues in the 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure; it=E2=99s gotten con fusing, even for me. 9. My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards. But who is counting? George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:32:26 -0800 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Rick With the glues of today you can get anything to stick to a scrap book. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:27 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Well I certainly don=E2=99t want to discourage any enthusiasm for the goal, and Mike is a role model for the modern day Jefferson Burdicks. I love the comparison to inviting Mike=E2=99s Aunt Ruth, who I don=E2=99t think I have met, but would be happy to invite. Mike has gotten much further into the various corners of collecting than most of us. How about, we usea criteria that Burdick would have had to use? The =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D has to be issued before 1981, include a sport topic, and you have tobe able to theoretically paste it into a scrapbook that you could leave with the Metropolitan Museum of Art, if you were so inclined. > I think this would include in the counting fun =E2=93 matchbooks, discs, coins, stamps, minor league sets, police sets, picture packs, but not Slurpee cups, balls, pins, bobble-heads, Hartlands and other odd-balls. I know as soon as I write this, Mike will be able to find some gray areas, and Ilook forward to the all-expense paid retreat to mull over any remaining gray areas such as pasting APBA cards in the scrapbooks. And what=E2=99s asport =E2=9Ctopic=E2=9D anyway? And what about the =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D? Does that include variations or not, how about printing differences? What about Poncho (Herrera)? As I recall didn=E2=99t Burdick=E2=99s collection at the Met include a box of oversized items? > In my article I wrote, =E2=9CIt is challenging to determine what should be counted as a vintage sport card. Whatever totals are derived will lackprecision and universal agreement. The more you know about scarce, vintagesports issues, the more you realize how extensive the field is, and how difficult it is for anyone to be expert in all vintage cardboard.=E2=9D (let alone stuff that isn=E2=99t cardboard.) > George > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:24 AM > To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and more confusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below says if it comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, whywould the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets fromthe 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. Andy Cook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that are in the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds and deletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It lists 1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians Photo/Picturepacks. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not in the book. I still count these. > #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind of discs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the mid-70s, my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, Cranes, Dairy Isle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up quickly. I docount > Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not count them. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. > I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issuedby the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issued as part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards"on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. > Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, includingthe pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, thenI need to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA pins should count. > This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; ifwe invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Where do you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggest stresses in my life now that I am not working. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. > Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) after being treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answers are found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on ourdirectory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also added asmall section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. > Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. > A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full card even if it is only half the size. > A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on the card 2, 4 or an entire team. > If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. > The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. > Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whetherthe 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. > Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring players under contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. > The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) that are in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in thearticle, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. > I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues inthe 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure; it=E2=99s gotten con fusing, even for me. > My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards. But who is counting? > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:43:58 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Rick It's a thick book. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Rick wrote: > With the glues of today you can get anything to stick to a scrap book. > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:27 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Well I certainly don=E2=99t want to discourage any enthusiasm for thegoal, and Mike is a role model for the modern day Jefferson Burdicks. I love the comparison to inviting Mike=E2=99s Aunt Ruth, who I don=E2=99tthink I have met, but would be happy to invite. Mike has gotten much further into the various corners of collecting than most of us. How about, we use a criteria that Burdick would have had to use? The =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D has to be issued before 1981, include a sport topic, and you haveto be able to theoretically paste it into a scrapbook that you could leavewith the Metropolitan Museum of Art, if you were so inclined. >> I think this would include in the counting fun =E2=93 matchbooks, discs, coins, stamps, minor league sets, police sets, picture packs, but not Slurpee cups, balls, pins, bobble-heads, Hartlands and other odd-balls. I know as soon as I write this, Mike will be able to find some gray areas, and I look forward to the all-expense paid retreat to mull over any remaining gray areas such as pasting APBA cards in the scrapbooks. And what=E2=99s a sport =E2=9Ctopic=E2=9D anyway? And what about the =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D? Does that include variations or not, how about printing differences? What about Poncho (Herrera)? As I recall didn=E2=99t Burdick=E2=99s collection at the Met include a box of oversized items? >> In my article I wrote, =E2=9CIt is challenging to determine what should be counted as a vintage sport card. Whatever totals are derived will lack precision and universal agreement. The more you know about scarce, vintage sports issues, the more you realize how extensive the field is, and how difficult it is for anyone to be expert in all vintage cardboard.=E2=9D (let alone stuff that isn=E2=99t cardboard.) >> George >> From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:24 AM >> To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognitionlevel >> Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and moreconfusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below saysif it comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, why would the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets from the 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. Andy Cook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that are in the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds and deletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It lists1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians Photo/Picture packs. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not in the book.I still count these. >> #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind ofdiscs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the mid-70s, my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, Cranes, Dairy Isle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up quickly. I do count these. >> Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not count them. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. >> I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issued by the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issued as part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards" on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. >> Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, including the pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, then I need to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA pins should count. >> This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; if we invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Where do you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggest stresses in my life now that I am not working. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level >> I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. >> Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) afterbeing treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answersare found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our directory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also added a small section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. >> Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. >> A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full card even if it is only half the size. >> A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on the card 2, 4 or an entire team. >> If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. >> The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. >> Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whether the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. >> Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring playersunder contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. >> The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) thatare in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in the article, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. >> I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues in the 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure; it=E2=99s gotten con fusing, even for me. >> My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards. But who is counting? >> George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 09:44:24 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:43 AM, Rick wrote: > It's a thick book. > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:32 AM, Rick wrote: >> With the glues of today you can get anything to stick to a scrap book. >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:27 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Well I certainly don=E2=99t want to discourage any enthusiasm for the goal, and Mike is a role model for the modern day Jefferson Burdicks. I love the comparison to inviting Mike=E2=99s Aunt Ruth, who I don=E2=99t think I have met, but would be happy to invite. Mike has gotten much further into the various corners of collecting than most of us. How about, we use a criteria that Burdick would have had to use? The =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D has to be issued before 1981, include a sport topic, and you haveto be able to theoretically paste it into a scrapbook that you could leavewith the Metropolitan Museum of Art, if you were so inclined. >>> I think this would include in the counting fun =E2=93 matchbooks, discs, coins, stamps, minor league sets, police sets, picture packs, but not Slurpee cups, balls, pins, bobble-heads, Hartlands and other odd-balls. I know as soon as I write this, Mike will be able to find some gray areas, andI look forward to the all-expense paid retreat to mull over any remaining gray areas such as pasting APBA cards in the scrapbooks. And what=E2=99sa sport =E2=9Ctopic=E2=9D anyway? And what about the =E2=9Csingleitem=E2=9D? Does that include variations or not, how about printing differences? What about Poncho (Herrera)? As I recall didn=E2=99t Burdick=E2=99s collection at the Met include a box of oversized items? >>> In my article I wrote, =E2=9CIt is challenging to determine what should be counted as a vintage sport card. Whatever totals are derived will lack precision and universal agreement. The more you know about scarce, vintage sports issues, the more you realize how extensive the field is, and how difficult it is for anyone to be expert in all vintage cardboard.=E2=9D (let alone stuff that isn=E2=99t cardboard.) >>> George >>> From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:24 AM >>> To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>> Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and more confusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below says if it comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, why would the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets from the 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. AndyCook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that arein the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds anddeletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It lists 1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians Photo/Picture packs. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not in the book. I still count these. >>> #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind of discs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the mid-70s, my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, Cranes, Dairy Isle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up quickly. I do count these. >>> Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not count them. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. >>> I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issued by the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issuedas part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards" on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. >>> Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, including the pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, then I need to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA pins should count. >>> This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; if we invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Wheredo you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggeststresses in my life now that I am not working. >>> Mike Rich >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>> To: OBC-Ramblings >>> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm >>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level >>> I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. >>> Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) after being treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answers are found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our directory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also addeda small section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. >>> Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. >>> A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full card even if it is only half the size. >>> A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on thecard 2, 4 or an entire team. >>> If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. >>> The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. >>> Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whether the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. >>> Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring players under contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. >>> The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) that are in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in the article, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. >>> I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues in the 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure; it=E2=99s gotten con fusing, even for me. >>> My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that soundsbelievable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards.But who is counting? >>> George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 10:37:09 -0800 Subject: Strange request looking for OBC volunteers........ From: "Grant Rainsley" So I have set time aside each day until Friday to get some envelopes out. Three down today so far, more to come. But the thought occurred to me when I was getting one ready for Ron Hoehne that I would really like to go out of my way to hit folks I haven't ever hit before........so I'm looking for volunteers to let me know if you fall into that category. Even if you aren't completely certain, you qualify, all you have to do is let me know, and you will get priority in my search. I can't guarantee that I can hit everyone, (and more than a few of you are impossible for me) but I do guarantee that I will at least peruse your wantlist during my endeavour .............and please don't be shy, any dupes in my box are not doing me any good just sitting there, and I think Mumsy gets more satisfaction out of me sending cards out than she does seeing them come in.....so I can get Brownie Points Thanks for playing, I will at least try...........Grant ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:44:51 -0500 To: grains@shaw.ca, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC From: mikesportsfan@aol.com How bad is your senility??? Could I conceivably claim you have never sent anything to me??? I think you would need a complete brain wipe to forget all the great envelopes you have sent me, but I can always try and sneak in. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 1:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC volunteers........ So I have set time aside each day until Friday to get some envelopes out. Three down today so far, more to come. But the thought occurred to me when Iwas getting one ready for Ron Hoehne that I would really like to go out ofmy way to hit folks I haven=E2=99t ever hit before........so I=E2=99m looking for volunteers to let me know if you fall into that category. Even if you aren=E2=99t completely certain, you qualify, all you have to dois let me know, and you will get priority in my search. I can=E2=99t guarantee that I can hit everyone, (and more than a few of you are impossiblefor me) but I do guarantee that I will at least peruse your wantlist during my endeavour .............and please don=E2=99t be shy, any dupes in my box are not doing me any good just sitting there, and I think Mumsy getsmore satisfaction out of me sending cards out than she does seeing them come in.....so I can get Brownie Points there....... Thanks for playing, I will at least try...........Grant ================= Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 13:58:18 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC From: Ken M Grant,  It's amazing you've been in OBC all these years and never mailed me anything... although my memory isn't all that good. Come to think of it, I don't remember sending you anything either. So forget it, we're even :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 1:37 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC volunteers........ So I have set time aside each day until Friday to get some envelopes out. Three down today so far, more to come. But the thought occurred to me when I was getting one ready for Ron Hoehne that I would really like to go out of my way to hit folks I haven’t ever hit before........so I’m looking for volunteers to let me know if you fall into that category. Even if you aren’t completely certain, you qualify, all you have to do is let me know, and you will get priority in my search. I can’t guarantee that I can hit everyone, (and more than a few of you are impossible for me) but I do guarantee that I will at least peruse your wantlist during my endeavour .............and please don’t  be shy, any dupes in my box are not doing me any good just sitting there, and I think Mumsy gets more satisfaction out of me sending cards  out than she does seeing them come in.....so I can get Browni e Points there....... Thanks for playing, I will at least try...........Grant ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 13:58:39 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Yahoo Gorilla glue will work for all kinds of things. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2017, at 12:32, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > With the glues of today you can get anything to stick to a scrap book. > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 9:27 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Well I certainly don=E2=99t want to discourage any enthusiasm for thegoal, and Mike is a role model for the modern day Jefferson Burdicks. I love the comparison to inviting Mike=E2=99s Aunt Ruth, who I don=E2=99tthink I have met, but would be happy to invite. Mike has gotten much further into the various corners of collecting than most of us. How about, we use a criteria that Burdick would have had to use? The =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D has to be issued before 1981, include a sport topic, and you haveto be able to theoretically paste it into a scrapbook that you could leavewith the Metropolitan Museum of Art, if you were so inclined. >> I think this would include in the counting fun =E2=93 matchbooks, discs, coins, stamps, minor league sets, police sets, picture packs, but not Slurpee cups, balls, pins, bobble-heads, Hartlands and other odd-balls. I know as soon as I write this, Mike will be able to find some gray areas, and I look forward to the all-expense paid retreat to mull over any remaining gray areas such as pasting APBA cards in the scrapbooks. And what=E2=99s a sport =E2=9Ctopic=E2=9D anyway? And what about the =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D? Does that include variations or not, how about printing differences? What about Poncho (Herrera)? As I recall didn=E2=99t Burdick=E2=99s collection at the Met include a box of oversized items? >> In my article I wrote, =E2=9CIt is challenging to determine what should be counted as a vintage sport card. Whatever totals are derived will lack precision and universal agreement. The more you know about scarce, vintage sports issues, the more you realize how extensive the field is, and how difficult it is for anyone to be expert in all vintage cardboard.=E2=9D (let alone stuff that isn=E2=99t cardboard.) >> George >> From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:24 AM >> To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognitionlevel >> Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and moreconfusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below saysif it comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, why would the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets from the 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. Andy Cook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that are in the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds and deletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It lists1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians Photo/Picture packs. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not in the book.I still count these. >> #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind ofdiscs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the mid-70s, my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, Cranes, Dairy Isle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up quickly. I do count these. >> Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not count them. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. >> I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issued by the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issued as part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards" on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. >> Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, including the pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, then I need to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA pins should count. >> This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; if we invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Where do you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggest stresses in my life now that I am not working. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level >> I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when discussing the importance of this vital subject. >> Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) afterbeing treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answersare found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our directory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also added a small section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start answering these important questions just for the heck of it. >> Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions about the answers to frequently asked questions. >> A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a full card even if it is only half the size. >> A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on the card 2, 4 or an entire team. >> If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts as a card as well. >> The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. >> Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whether the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. >> Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring playersunder contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they had on them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. >> The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) thatare in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in the article, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level criteria. Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know a card when you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. >> I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues in the 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure; it=E2=99s gotten con fusing, even for me. >> My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports cards. But who is counting? >> George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Shawn Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:03:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... From: Shawn Smart Lets see how I did - Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... 10. Finish 1978 Topps - 16 left YES 9. Finish 1975 Topps - 11 left - NO - 4 left 8. Finish 1976 Topps - 15 left YES 7. Finish 1979 Topps NO - 15 LEFT 6. Bring 1971 Topps within 50 cards to go. NO ABOUT 70 LEFT 5. Bring 1973 Topps within 20 cards to go. NO BUT CLOSE ABOUT 45 LEFT 4. Bring 1972 Topps within 150 cards to go. NO ABOUT 200 LEFT 3. Bring 1970 Topps within 100 cards to go. NO ABOUT 150 LEFT 2. Finish at least 5 UV sets, many of which are only less than 5 cards away. I'LL SAY YES - BUT I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETED SECTION ON UV. 1. Run through the dupe box again and find something for everyone who has helped me more than I have been able to help them - which has to be around 40 or 50 of you. GETTING THERE - I tried to hit everyone once that has hitme this year before the close of 2017. I got through "S" before I ran about of time - so the end of the alphabet will be getting New Years packages! I also have a few empty envelopes of guys who's lists were a bit tough for me. But I will keep em handy and hope I find something soon. I did not reach all my goals, but I did make heavy dents in almost every set on my wantlist. 2016 was definitely a win in the OBC world. Goals for 2017: 10. Finish 1975 Topps - 4 left. 9. Finish 1979 Topps - 15 left. 8. Finish 1973 Topps - 45 Left 7. Finish 1981 Topps - 20 left. 6. Finish 1980 Topps - 3 left. 5. Finish 69 Deckle - 3 left. 4. Finish 3 more UV sets. 3. Have every 1960's WL over the 300 have mark. 2. Finish 77 Burger King Yankees (the elusive Pinella). 1. Cut my dupes box in half with RAOK's and waivers. Thanks everyone for all your help this year! My lists have dwindled so much since I joined this group! ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 11:15:21 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC volunteers........ From: "Grant Rainsley" Hi=E2=A6=E2=A6.now I=E2=99m one up on you=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6..little teeny-weeny envelope coming your way=E2=A6=E2=A6(didn=E2=99t need a big one!) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 03, 2017 10:58 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC volunteers........ It's amazing you've been in OBC all these years and never mailed me anything... although my memory isn't all that good. Come to think of it, I don'tremember sending you anything either. So forget it, we're even :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message- ----- From: 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 1:37 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC volunteers........ So I have set time aside each day until Friday to get some envelopes out. Three down today so far, more to come. But the thought occurred to me when Iwas getting one ready for Ron Hoehne that I would really like to go out ofmy way to hit folks I haven=E2=99t ever hit before........so I=E2=99m looking for volunteers to let me know if you fall into that category. Even if you aren=E2=99t completely certain, you qualify, all you have to dois let me know, and you will get priority in my search. I can=E2=99t guarantee that I can hit everyone, (and more than a few of you are impossiblefor me) but I do guarantee that I will at least peruse your wantlist during my endeavour .............and please don=E2=99t be shy, any dupes in my box are not doing me any good just sitting there, and I think Mumsy getsmore satisfaction out of me sending cards out than she does seeing them come in.....so I can get Browni e Points there....... Thanks for playing, I will at least try...........Grant ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 14:22:31 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Some waivers From: Ed Hutchinson If anyone can use anything here, please ask! 1962 Post 87 1952 Topps Wings 121 1971 Topps Scratch Off Mack Brown- scratched and detached from second half 1971 Topps Scratch Off Mack Brown- not scratched or detached 1971 Topps Scratch Off Nate Colbert- not scratched, is detached 1971 Topps Scratch Off Rich Allen- partially scratched, not detached 1971 Topps Scratch Off Rich Allen- not scratched or detached 1970 Topps Booklet 23 1975 Hostess 12 1975 Hostess 19 (McCovey) 1976 Hostess 139 1968 O Pee Chee 29 1972 Fleer Baseball's Famous Feats 16 Jack Brohamer Post card- not sure of year ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:05:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thought I'd share.... From: Jimi Thayer Sent this to Greg Thayer a few days ago and just got it back today! Not many Thayers played professional ball, so to me this is pretty cool! ================= To: "vrechek@ameritech.net" , "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 20:19:58 +0000 Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 15:33:35 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Joel Freedman Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear there is no variation in the color of the light! On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true > text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not these*pseudo > variations* of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 and 1960 Topps > cards. [image: =89] > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM > *To:* vrechek@ameritech.net; mikesportsfan@aol.com; > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card > recognition level > I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print > anomalies. > 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runs on > two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having added > text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a printing > error. > 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards printed > in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. > Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as > "variations." > 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different > paths. The Heileman and Big Poison partial frame cards are simply print > variations. The Cochran/Cochrane, Collins, Sisler, Dickey, Bender, etc > cards all have biography differences. How to classify? > How do you classify the 1967 Rbaves Bob Bruce? The 1962 Post Joe > Adcock/Joe Adock, or the three 1966 Don Landrum button, unbuttoned pants > cards? lol > The 1958 Herrera, the 1949 Leaf Gene Hermanski, the 1967 Ed Speizio, 1959 > Spahn "variation are, I believe, all print anomalies (a low spot on the > printing blanket--where the ink did not "meet" the paper), paper dust > causing a black blob to appear on part of the press run, a 1967 green bat > Paul Schaal? Yellow letters, white letters, gray backs, white > backs........dated, undated........red back, black back......forget the > 1954 Bowmans and those darn Kellogg's. > I do believe I am about to jump out my second story window! LOL and > probably hysterically. > All the best on the chase my OBC friends. > On 01/03/17, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]< > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Well I certainly don=E2=99t want to discourage any enthusiasm for the goal, > Mike is a role model for the modern day Jefferson Burdicks. I love the > comparison to inviting Mike=E2=99s Aunt Ruth, who I don=E2=99t think I have met, but > would be happy to invite. Mike has gotten much further into the various > corners of collecting than most of us. How about, we use a criteria that > Burdick would have had to use? The =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D has to be issued before > 1981, include a sport topic, and you have to be able to theoretically paste > it into a scrapbook that you could leave with the Metropolitan Museum of > Art, if you were so inclined. > I think this would include in the counting fun =E2=93 matchbooks, discs, > stamps, minor league sets, police sets, picture packs, but not Slurpee > cups, balls, pins, bobble-heads, Hartlands and other odd-balls. I know as > soon as I write this, Mike will be able to find some gray areas, and I look > forward to the all-expense paid retreat to mull over any remaining gray > areas such as pasting APBA cards in the scrapbooks. And what=E2=99s a sport > =E2=9Ctopic=E2=9D anyway? And what about the =E2=9Csingle item=E2=9D? Does that include > variations or not, how about printing differences? What about Poncho > (Herrera)? As I recall didn=E2=99t Burdick=E2=99s collection at theMet include a box > of oversized items? > In my article I wrote, =E2=9CIt is challenging to determine what should > counted as a vintage sport card. Whatever totals are derived will lack > precision and universal agreement. The more you know about scarce, vintage > sports issues, the more you realize how extensive the field is, and how > difficult it is for anyone to be expert in all vintage cardboard.=E2=9D > alone stuff that isn=E2=99t cardboard.) > George > *From:* mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com > ] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 7:24 AM > *To:* vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card > recognition level > Well at least George and I can agree this keeps on getting more and more > confusing! Some of the rules below are contradictory. Rule #3 below says > if it comes with cards, it counts. #8 states that coins, even if in the > catalog do not count. So do 1964 & 1971 Topps BB Coins count? If they do, > why would the Armour, Citgo, Salada, etc., coins not count? Police sets > from the 70s do not count, mainly because they are not in the big book. > Andy Cook recently sold a set of 1970 Washington Senators Police cards that > are in the book. I certainly count these. The big book periodically adds > and deletes certain listings. I still use my falling apart 2008 SCD. It > lists 1947, 1949, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1954 and 1956 Cleveland Indians > Photo/Picture packs. Of course the only year I have is 1953, which is not > in the book. I still count these. > #8 below also says he does not count discs. I am not sure what kind of > discs he is referring to, but if it is the MSA inspired discs of the > mid-70s, my count will drop by close to a thousand. Between Buckman, > Cranes, Dairy Isle, Isaly, Towne Club, Detroit Caesars, Wendy's, blank > backs, Papa Geno's, Tastee Freeze, etc., plus FB and Carvel BSKB it adds up > quickly. I do count these. > Coke caps are in my big books, but for some reason we all seem to not > count them. This really hurts Gary Mandell, Don Rice and myself. > I am counting cards issued in newspapers, aka bubblegum less cards issued > by the Detroit Free Press and Dayton Daily News. Matchbooks are also paper > items and should also be counted. I would agree that only those issued as > part of a set should count, and not local team issued schedule matchbooks, > etc. Speaking of schedules, there are some schedules issued with "cards" > on the front. Usually this is for colleges. I have not counted these. > Personally, I think any sports item issued prewar should count, including > the pins (Sweet Caporal, Out National Game, Orbit). If I count them, then > I need to add the 1956 Topps pins. If I count them then the 1969 MLPBA > pins should count. > This reminds me of what people go through when organizing a big party; if > we invite Aunt Ruth, we must invite Uncle Bob, cousin Frank, etc. Where do > you draw these artificial lines??? This is becoming one of the biggest > stresses in my life now that I am not working. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 2, 2017 11:28 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > I am delighted to read the heated discussions about set collector > recognition level criteria. I know there are some tongues in cheeks when > discussing the importance of this vital subject. > Remember that answers to FAQs were published by the committee (me) after > being treated to a lavish, all-expense paid resort getaway. (These answers > are found at the bottom of the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on our > directory page. I don=E2=99t know if anyone noticed that I also added a > section on non-sports card achievements.) I have not enjoyed any such > lavish resort getaway surroundings recently so I am reluctant to start > answering these important questions just for the heck of it. > Nonetheless, I will opine about some possible answers to the questions > about the answers to frequently asked questions. > 1. A card cut in two is only half a card. Whereas a mini counts as a > full card even if it is only half the size. > 2. A card only counts as one card no matter how many characters are on > the card 2, 4 or an entire team. > 3. If something was stuck in the package with the other sports cards > that wasn=E2=99t gum, like inserts, contests, checklists, and mascots, it counts > as a card as well. > 4. The Goudey Knot-Hole cards count. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure. > 5. Variations don=E2=99t count; otherwise we would have to debate whether > the 1958 Herrer(a) was a variation or a printing difference. > 6. Silly cards made by Fleer in the 70s about sports, not featuring > players under contract to Topps, all count regardless of what they hadon > them because at least Fleer was trying to give us something else to collect. > 7. The FAQs dealt with the subject of items (coins, discs, cups, etc) > that are in the catalog but don=E2=99t look like cards. I mention them in the > article, but didn=E2=99t really consider them in the collector level > Therefore I=E2=99ll go with my previous answer that you will know acard > you see one. I didn=E2=99t count them. > 8. I didn=E2=99t count the various police sets and minor league issues > the 1970s because they weren=E2=99t in the catalog. However, I=E2=99m not counting > coins, discs etc that are in the catalog. Why? I=E2=99m not quite sure; > gotten con fusing, even for me. > 9. My final advice remains, that you can just make up a number that > sounds believable and go with it. By the way I am at 43,287 vintage sports > cards. But who is counting? > George Vrechek ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 18:08:57 -0500 Subject: Sad News - Bob Lemke From: "Bob Donaldson" Just saw this on Net54. Bob Lemke, of the SCD Price Guide, has passed away http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=233329 ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:57:17 -0500 To: obcbobd@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sad News - Bob Lemke From: Joshua Levine I wrote this over on Net54...I am truly saddened by this loss... I had known Bob, albeit through mail and email communications mostly, for the better part of two decades. He originally helped me with my Phillies list and questions and in turn I helped him in finding and cataloguing some ofthe more obscure issues I have run across over the years. As a result we were friendly and emailed several times a year. When I started my t205 research in earnest, he helped with that as well andeven went so far as to make me one of his beautiful fantasy cards for my set. Many people have been on the receiving end of his fantasy cards and I was lucky enough to have Bob make me three different ones in that time. All hold a special place in my collection. He kept copious notes but he knew more stuff off the top of his head than Iever will. He was one of my go-to researchers when I could not identify something. I think there was only one time I had him completely stumped with what appeared to be a card (I think it might have been cut from some kind of poster as it is on THICK stock) but we never could identify it as period from the '50s or a fantasy item. I am very saddened by his passing as I considered him one of my mentors andonline This is a loss for the hobby...My thoughts and prayers are with his family and Joshua Levine=09=09 -----Original Message----- From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: 'OBC Ramblings' Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 3:09 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sad News - Bob Lemke Just saw this on Net54. Bob Lemke, of the SCD Price Guide, has passed awayhttp://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t233329 ================= To: Joel Freedman Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:12:18 +0000 Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2017 20:40:09 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition From: Ken M ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 02:01:49 +0000 Subject: Orioles question From: Aaron Shirley Do any of our Orioles fans claim the St. Louis Browns too, being that they are the "ancestry" of their team? ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:07:02 -0500 To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I do not understand Shawn's last comment, "My lists have dwindled so much since I joined this group!" My lists have GROWN since I joined OBC. More accurately, my lists have changed dramatically and have grown with more setsbeing added than are completed. I never would have dreamed of completing many of the sets I have, let alone started or added so many sets without OBC. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; Shawn Smart Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... Lets see how I did - Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... 10. Finish 1978 Topps - 16 left YES 9. Finish 1975 Topps - 11 left - NO - 4 left 8. Finish 1976 Topps - 15 left YES 7. Finish 1979 Topps NO - 15 LEFT 6. Bring 1971 Topps within 50 cards to go. NO ABOUT 70 LEFT 5. Bring 1973 Topps within 20 cards to go. NO BUT CLOSE ABOUT 45 LEFT 4. Bring 1972 Topps within 150 cards to go. NO ABOUT 200 LEFT 3. Bring 1970 Topps within 100 cards to go. NO ABOUT 150 LEFT 2. Finish at least 5 UV sets, many of which are only less than 5 cards away.I'LL SAY YES - BUT I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETED SECTION ON UV. 1. Run through the dupe box again and find something for everyone who has helped me more than I have been able to help them - which has to be around 40 or 50 of you. GETTING THERE - I tried to hit everyone once that has hitme this year before the close of 2017. I got through "S" before I ran about of time - so the end of the alphabet will be getting New Years packages! I also have a few empty envelopes of guys who's lists were a bit tough for me. But I will keep em handy and hope I find something soon. I did not reach all my goals, but I did make heavy dents in almost every set on my wantlist. 2016 was definitely a win in the OBC world. Goals for 2017: 10. Finish 1975 Topps - 4 left. 9. Finish 1979 Topps - 15 left. 8. Finish 1973 Topps - 45 Left 7. Finish 1981 Topps - 20 left. 6. Finish 1980 Topps - 3 left. 5. Finish 69 Deckle - 3 left. 4. Finish 3 more UV sets. 3. Have every 1960's WL over the 300 have mark. 2. Finish 77 Burger King Yankees (the elusive Pinella). 1. Cut my dupes box in half with RAOK's and waivers. Thanks everyone for all your help this year! My lists have dwindled so much since I joined this group! ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:36:11 -0500 To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... From: Doug DeJong I agree - when I joined I had such modest aspirations and was just hoping maybe I would complete the 1968 Topps set (first set I ever collected as a kid). Never dreamt it would lead to this! I have enjoyed it all though. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:07 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I do not understand Shawn's last comment, "My lists have dwindled so much > since I joined this group!" My lists have GROWN since I joined OBC. More > accurately, my lists have changed dramatically and have grown with more > sets being added than are completed. I never would have dreamed of > completing many of the sets I have, let alone started or added so many sets > without OBC. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: OBC-Ramblings ; Shawn Smart < > shawnsmart@hotmail.com> > Sent: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 2:04 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... > Lets see how I did - > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings]* Goals for 2016...* > 10. Finish 1978 Topps - 16 left YES > 9. Finish 1975 Topps - 11 left - NO - 4 left > 8. Finish 1976 Topps - 15 left YES > 7. Finish 1979 Topps NO - 15 LEFT > 6. Bring 1971 Topps within 50 cards to go. NO ABOUT 70 LEFT > 5. Bring 1973 Topps within 20 cards to go. NO BUT CLOSE ABOUT 45 LEFT > 4. Bring 1972 Topps within 150 cards to go. NO ABOUT 200 LEFT > 3. Bring 1970 Topps within 100 cards to go. NO ABOUT 150 LEFT > 2. Finish at least 5 UV sets, many of which are only less than 5 cards > away. I'LL SAY YES - BUT I DON'T HAVE A COMPLETED SECTION ON UV. > 1. Run through the dupe box again and find something for everyone who has > helped me more than I have been able to help them - which has to be around > 40 or 50 of you. GETTING THERE - I tried to hit everyone once that has > hit me this year before the close of 2017. I got through "S" before I ran > about of time - so the end of the alphabet will be getting New Years > packages! I also have a few empty envelopes of guys who's lists were a bit > tough for me. But I will keep em handy and hope I find something soon. > I did not reach all my goals, but I did make heavy dents in almost every > set on my wantlist. 2016 was definitely a win in the OBC world. > *Goals for 2017:* > 10. Finish 1975 Topps - 4 left. > 9. Finish 1979 Topps - 15 left. > 8. Finish 1973 Topps - 45 Left > 7. Finish 1981 Topps - 20 left. > 6. Finish 1980 Topps - 3 left. > 5. Finish 69 Deckle - 3 left. > 4. Finish 3 more UV sets. > 3. Have every 1960's WL over the 300 have mark. > 2. Finish 77 Burger King Yankees (the elusive Pinella). > 1. Cut my dupes box in half with RAOK's and waivers. > Thanks everyone for all your help this year! My lists have dwindled so > much since I joined this group! > Shawn ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 21:36:58 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Orioles question From: Doug DeJong They definitely should....I am a Twins fan and claim the Senators/Nationals On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 9:01 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Do any of our Orioles fans claim the St. Louis Browns too, being that they > are the "ancestry" of their team? ================= Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 19:37:52 -0700 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Orioles question From: James Silva I=E2=99m not a Browns or O=E2=99s fan, but I am a Muddy Ruel fan. Since he debuted with them then managed them, I have a warm place in my heart for the Brownies. Because of that I look forward to getting to an O=E2=99s game some day to see if they have any Muddy memorabilia. So it is backwards for me. Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva > On Jan 3, 2017, at 7:01 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Do any of our Orioles fans claim the St. Louis Browns too, being that they are the "ancestry" of their team? ================= To: Grant Rainsley , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Jan 2017 22:00:34 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strange request looking for OBC From: Yaz 95% sure that I qualify. After over and hour of checking through two OBC notepads dating back to 1996 and another check on my page where I also list income doners, I did not run across your name. I did see it mentioned in 1999, twice in 2001 and once in 2004 when I sent you stuff, mostly 60 Topps and 64 Topps cards. Ok, here's what I want: '53 Topps Mays, '67 Topps Seaver, '58 Topps Koufax, '63 Fleer Koufax and a '59 Topps Mantle. Now the Mantle may be tough so if you want you can substitute a '63 Post Yaz. You can save postage by sending them all in the same envelope. Greg (yaz) On 1/3/2017 12:37 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So I have set time aside each day until Friday to get some envelopes > out. Three down today so far, more to come. But the thought occurred > to me when I was getting one ready for Ron Hoehne that I would really > like to go out of my way to hit folks I haven’t ever hit > before........so I’m looking for volunteers to let me know if you fall > into that category. Even if you aren’t completely certain, you > qualify, all you have to do is let me know, and you will get priority > in my search. I can’t guarantee that I can hit everyone, (and more > than a few of you are impossible for me) but I do guarantee that I > will at least peruse your wantlist during my endeavour > .............and please don’t be shy, any dupes in my box are not > doing me any good just sitting there, and I think Mumsy gets more > satisfaction out of me sending cards out than she does seeing them > come in.....so I can get Brownie Points there....... > Thanks for playing, I will at least try...........Grant ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 00:47:55 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: ShoelessWes I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical cardin each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have (2)cards. I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a 'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. But then again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you have a ghost? I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our treasures. Wes Shepard > On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... particularly to avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" > A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation, not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with different backs would fall under this category as well. > While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set. As an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Some of them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the series, but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and "b" (and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that makes anysense. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM > To: Joel Freedman; > Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@verizon.net; > Subject:Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition > Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was designed to be printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the 1966 Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have it mean whatever we want it to mean. > My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being 'variations' was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those print defects that have been blessed as 'variations' over the years. > Regards, > Taylor > From: Joel Freedman > > Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net; mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition > Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear there is no variation in the color of the light! > Regards, > Joel >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not thesepseudo variations of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 and 1960 Topps cards. >> Regards, >> Taylor >> From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM >> To: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >> I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print anomalies. >> 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runs on two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having added text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a printing >> 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards printed in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as "variations." >> 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 01:02:22 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2017 Goals, simple From: ShoelessWes A decent portion of my collecting interests veered from mostly baseball, tonearly equal interest in the 4 major team sports. I terminated the 52, 66,67 Topps quests indefinitely, and began chasing easier 70s all sports sets. My 2017 GOALS are as follows: #1 - Attend at least one day at The National. #2 - Get 12 sets down to 12 cards #3 - List 12 sets not currently posted #4 - Run for the AC again #5 - Ride my bicycle to Tom Housley's house and trade baseball cards. Wes Shepard ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:32:10 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Joel Freedman Taylor, I am trying to make some sense of the different card backs, printing errors and actual corrections during print runs for my spreadsheet. One thing that I have done for myself in collecting the printing stock variation is to make one printing stock the base set and the alternate a parallel stock variation. Count them both, this seems logical to me. I would want my original set to have just one of the stock types and not be mixed. I have come to this after years of collecting! As for the 66's and maybe the 64's? I see the different color backs, but no one states that these are stock variations. The 52's, 53's, 56's,59's, and 60's are all identified as stock variation. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:47 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical > card in each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have > (2) cards. > I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and > another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. > I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a > 'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. But > then again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you > have a ghost? > I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd > singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our > treasures. > Wes Shepard > On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, > anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... > particularly to avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" > A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation, > not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with > different backs would fall under this category as well. > While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set. As > an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Some of > them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the series, > but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and "b" > (and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that makes > any sense. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > *From: *Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com > <+taylor_schock@hotmail.com> [OBC-Ramblings] > *Date: *Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM > *To: *Joel Freedman; > *Cc: *vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC- > Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@verizon.net; > *Subject:*Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card > recognition level > Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was *designed *to be > printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the > 1966 Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet > they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but > that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have > it mean whatever we want it to mean. > My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being > 'variations' was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those > print defects that have been blessed as 'variations' over the > years. > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* Joel Freedman > <%3Cjefreedman1@gmail.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM > *To:* Taylor Schock > *Cc:* vrechek@ameritech.net <+vrechek@ameritech.net>; > mikesportsfan@aol.com <+mikesportsfan@aol.com>; > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com <+OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; > hoot_owl1@verizon.net <+hoot_owl1@verizon.net> > *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card > recognition level > Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 > (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when > the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear > there is no variation in the color of the light! > Regards, > Joel > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true >> text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not these*pseudo >> variations* of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 and 1960 Topps >> cards. >> Regards, >> Taylor >> ------------------------------ >> *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on >> behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM >> *To:* vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ >> yahoogroups.com >> *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >> recognition level >> I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print >> anomalies. >> 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runs on >> two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having added >> text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a printing >> error. >> 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards printed >> in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. >> Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as >> "variations." >> 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different >> paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:44:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:59:20 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Joel Freedman Why does an album have to be flat? Glue them into a box! On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to glue my Slurpee cups into an album. > Jay Tysver > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:32 AM > *To:* Taylor Schock > *Cc:* OBC Ramblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card > recognition level > Taylor, I am trying to make some sense of the different card backs, > printing errors and actual corrections during print runs for my spreadsheet. > One thing that I have done for myself in collecting the printing stock > variation is to make one printing stock the base set and the alternate a > parallel stock variation. Count them both, this seems logical to me. I > would want my original set to have just one of the stock types and not be > mixed. I have come to this after years of collecting! > As for the 66's and maybe the 64's? I see the different color backs, but > no one states that these are stock variations. The 52's, 53's, 56's,59's, > and 60's are all identified as stock variation. > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:47 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical >> card in each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have >> (2) cards. >> I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and >> another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. >> I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a >> 'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. But >> then again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you >> have a ghost? >> I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd >> singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our >> treasures. >> Wes Shepard >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, >> anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... >> particularly to avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" >> A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation, >> not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with >> different backs would fall under this category as well. >> While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set. >> As an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Some >> of them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the >> series, but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and >> "b" (and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that >> makes any sense. >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> ------ Original message------ >> *From: *Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com >> <+taylor_schock@hotmail.com> [OBC-Ramblings] >> *Date: *Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM >> *To: *Joel Freedman; >> *Cc: *vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ >> yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@verizon.net; >> *Subject:*Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >> recognition level >> Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was *designed * to be >> printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the >> 1966 Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet >> they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but >> that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have >> it mean whatever we want it to mean. >> My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being >> 'variations' was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those >> print defects that have been blessed as 'variations' over the >> years. >> Regards, >> Taylor >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Joel Freedman > <%3Cjefreedman1@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM >> *To:* Taylor Schock >> *Cc:* vrechek@ameritech.net <+vrechek@ameritech.net>; >> mikesportsfan@aol.com <+mikesportsfan@aol.com>; >> OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com <+OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; >> hoot_owl1@verizon.net <+hoot_owl1@verizon.net> >> *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >> recognition level >> Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 >> (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when >> the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear >> there is no variation in the color of the light! >> Regards, >> Joel >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true >>> text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not >>> these*pseudo variations* of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 >>> and 1960 Topps cards. >>> Regards, >>> Taylor >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on >>> behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < >>> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM >>> *To:* vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ya >>> hoogroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >>> recognition level >>> I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print >>> anomalies. >>> 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runs >>> on two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having >>> added text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a >>> printing error. >>> 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards >>> printed in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. >>> Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as >>> "variations." >>> 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different >>> paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:01:03 +0000 (UTC) To: Joel Freedman , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition From: Geno Wagner Or do a rotating display in the cup holders of your car...;) Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 7:59, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Why does an album have to be flat? Glue them into a box! On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:44 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] I'm trying to figure out how to glue my Slurpee cups into an album. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical cardin each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have (2)cards. I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a 'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. But then again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you have a ghost? I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our treasures. Wes Shepard On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... particularly to avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation, not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with different backs would fall under this category as well. While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set. As an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Some of them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the series, but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and "b" (and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that makes any Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM To: Joel Freedman; Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikespor tsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@ Subject:Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognitionlevel Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was designed to be printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the 1966Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have it mean whatever we want it to mean. My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being 'variations'was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those print defectsthat have been blessed as 'variations' over the years. From: Joel Freedman> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM To: Taylor Schock Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net; mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition levelTaylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imaginationeven when thelight in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear there is no variation in the color of the light! On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schocktaylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true textfont/positioningvariatio ns each year for the same photos. Not thesepseudo variations of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 and 1960 Toppscards. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups .com on behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM To: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikespor tsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ya hoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print anomalies. 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runs on two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having added text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a printing error.1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards printed in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as "variations."1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:28:33 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Joel Freedman Red sox for me. My favorite player is Curt Schilling. It used to be Clemens, but he became a traitor and went to the NYY. As for my current favorite Red sox player, they come and go so fast, that I just root for the uniform and not the name on the back. Thanks for asking. On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:55 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My favorite team ever is the Cincinnati Reds. There's something to be said > about the first ever 'professional' team in the majors. (I'm sure somebody > knows something about New York, per se, that may contradict that fact. Sort > of how North Carolina was 'first in flight', despite the Wright brothers > inventing and flying in Dayton before then, but I digress.) > Baseball was and is always my favorite sport of all. I dont remember > seeing Rose run the bases, but my pops does, and vouches. By the time i > loved the game, Charlie Hustle was a manager, and hustling more than just > the baseline. In 1989-90 era Reds, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin and Chris Sabo > were gods. Holy crap was Sabo good. > My favorite all time player is Pete Rose, but I wanted to actually be Ken > Griffey Jr. when I was 11. > My favorite players today are Joey Votto. He's humble, clutch and > consistent. He has no emotion, which contributes to his lack of leadership, > but he is a great player. It takes a real man to go by 'Joey' or 'Mickey' > or 'Johnny' or 'Sparky'..... > I have a sweet spot for pitchers, and Justin Verlander fills that void, > just as Nolan Ryan did before he retired. I named my son Nolan instead of > Pete. > Wes Shepard > On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Happy new year. > Nice idea Ed. > Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root for. > Another orange and Black team. > Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American league > team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun year. They hada > lot of ex Giants. > All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds > All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell Evans Bob > Brenly > All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 Giants > are all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do not know. > Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will not be a Giant. > Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year for me. > I am freaking out now. > Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour from > now. > Randy Welk > In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:37:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Jimi Thayer Hey all, Favorite team is, of course, the reigning AL Champs, the Cleveland Indians! My all-time favorite players growing up were probably Jim Thome and Nolan Ryan. I also tended to love players that gave 100% out on the field growingup....Ripken, Gwynn, Boggs, Brett, etc. I always viewed those guys as gamers. Shut up and play, and give it your all. My favorite players now are likely to be Michael Brantley and Francisco Lindor, although as mentioned by others, this changes a lot for me. I really enjoyed Mike Napoli this past year, and I'm saddened to see him go. I named my dog Kipnis (or Kip or Kippy for short), after Jason Kipnis, but he's probably only 3rd or 4th favorite on the team. :) And I'm sure I'll probably jump on the Encarnacion wagon this coming year, even though I never really cared for him in the past. We shall see! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ed, > Red sox for me. My favorite player is Curt Schilling. It used to be Clemens, but he became a traitor and went to the NYY. > As for my current favorite Red sox player, they come and go so fast, thatI just root for the uniform and not the name on the back. > Thanks for asking. > Regards, > Joel >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:55 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> My favorite team ever is the Cincinnati Reds. There's something to be said about the first ever 'professional' team in the majors. (I'm sure somebody knows something about New York, per se, that may contradict that fact. Sort of how North Carolina was 'first in flight', despite the Wright brothers inventing and flying in Dayton before then, but I digress.) >> Baseball was and is always my favorite sport of all. I dont remember seeing Rose run the bases, but my pops does, and vouches. By the time i loved the game, Charlie Hustle was a manager, and hustling more than just the baseline. In 1989-90 era Reds, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin and Chris Sabo were gods. Holy crap was Sabo good. >> My favorite all time player is Pete Rose, but I wanted to actually be Ken Griffey Jr. when I was 11. >> My favorite players today are Joey Votto. He's humble, clutch and consistent. He has no emotion, which contributes to his lack of leadership, but he is a great player. It takes a real man to go by 'Joey' or 'Mickey' or 'Johnny' or 'Sparky'..... >> I have a sweet spot for pitchers, and Justin Verlander fills that void, just as Nolan Ryan did before he retired. I named my son Nolan instead of Pete. >> Wes Shepard >>> On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Happy new year. >>> Nice idea Ed. >>> Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root for. Another orange and Black team. >>> Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American league team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun year. They had alot of ex Giants. >>> All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds >>> All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell Evans Bob >>> All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 Giants are all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do not know. Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will not be a Giant. >>> Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year for me. I am freaking out now. >>> Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour fromnow. >>> Randy Welk >>> In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >>> Happy New Year All >>> Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the >>> trigger. >>> I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my >>> hometown Orioles. >>> They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. >>> Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. >>> Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you >>> that feel the same >>> as I do about YOUR favorite team. >>> Heres what I need to know >>> Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) >>> Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) >>> I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. >>> thanks for your anticipated cooperation >>> EDDIE >>> Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:42:10 -0500 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Joel Freedman as I read Jimi's comment, I realize that my favorite player is not a player. My favorite person in the game is Terry Francona. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey all, > Favorite team is, of course, the reigning AL Champs, the Cleveland > Indians! > My all-time favorite players growing up were probably Jim Thome and Nolan > Ryan. I also tended to love players that gave 100% out on the field > growing up....Ripken, Gwynn, Boggs, Brett, etc. I always viewed those guys > as gamers. Shut up and play, and give it your all. > My favorite players now are likely to be Michael Brantley and Francisco > Lindor, although as mentioned by others, this changes a lot for me. I > really enjoyed Mike Napoli this past year, and I'm saddened to see him go. > I named my dog Kipnis (or Kip or Kippy for short), after Jason Kipnis, but > he's probably only 3rd or 4th favorite on the team. :) And I'm sure I'll > probably jump on the Encarnacion wagon this coming year, even though I > never really cared for him in the past. We shall see! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ed, > Red sox for me. My favorite player is Curt Schilling. It used to be > Clemens, but he became a traitor and went to the NYY. > As for my current favorite Red sox player, they come and go so fast, that > I just root for the uniform and not the name on the back. > Thanks for asking. > Regards, > Joel > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:55 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> My favorite team ever is the Cincinnati Reds. There's something to be >> said about the first ever 'professional' team in the majors. (I'm sure >> somebody knows something about New York, per se, that may contradict that >> fact. Sort of how North Carolina was 'first in flight', despite the Wright >> brothers inventing and flying in Dayton before then, but I digress.) >> Baseball was and is always my favorite sport of all. I dont remember >> seeing Rose run the bases, but my pops does, and vouches. By the time i >> loved the game, Charlie Hustle was a manager, and hustling more than just >> the baseline. In 1989-90 era Reds, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin and Chris Sabo >> were gods. Holy crap was Sabo good. >> My favorite all time player is Pete Rose, but I wanted to actually be Ken >> Griffey Jr. when I was 11. >> My favorite players today are Joey Votto. He's humble, clutch and >> consistent. He has no emotion, which contributes to his lack of leadership, >> but he is a great player. It takes a real man to go by 'Joey' or 'Mickey' >> or 'Johnny' or 'Sparky'..... >> I have a sweet spot for pitchers, and Justin Verlander fills that void, >> just as Nolan Ryan did before he retired. I named my son Nolan instead of >> Pete. >> Wes Shepard >> On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Happy new year. >> Nice idea Ed. >> Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root for. >> Another orange and Black team. >> Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American league >> team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun year. They had >> lot of ex Giants. >> All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds >> All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell Evans >> Bob Brenly >> All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 Giants >> are all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do not know. >> Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will not be a Giant. >> Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year for >> me. I am freaking out now. >> Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour from >> now. >> Randy Welk >> In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: >> Happy New Year All >> Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the >> trigger. >> I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my >> hometown Orioles. >> They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. >> Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. >> Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you >> that feel the same >> as I do about YOUR favorite team. >> Heres what I need to know >> Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) >> Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) >> I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. >> thanks for your anticipated cooperation >> EDDIE >> Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 10:42:58 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Jimi Thayer Love me some Tito!! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:42 AM, Joel Freedman wrote: > as I read Jimi's comment, I realize that my favorite player is not a player. My favorite person in the game is Terry Francona. > Joel >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hey all, >> Favorite team is, of course, the reigning AL Champs, the Cleveland Indians! >> My all-time favorite players growing up were probably Jim Thome and Nolan Ryan. I also tended to love players that gave 100% out on the field growing up....Ripken, Gwynn, Boggs, Brett, etc. I always viewed those guys as gamers. Shut up and play, and give it your all. >> My favorite players now are likely to be Michael Brantley and Francisco Lindor, although as mentioned by others, this changes a lot for me. I really enjoyed Mike Napoli this past year, and I'm saddened to see him go. I named my dog Kipnis (or Kip or Kippy for short), after Jason Kipnis, but he's probably only 3rd or 4th favorite on the team. :) And I'm sure I'll probably jump on the Encarnacion wagon this coming year, even though I never really cared for him in the past. We shall see! >> Jimi >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 10:28 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Ed, >>> Red sox for me. My favorite player is Curt Schilling. It used to be Clemens, but he became a traitor and went to the NYY. >>> As for my current favorite Red sox player, they come and go so fast, that I just root for the uniform and not the name on the back. >>> Thanks for asking. >>> Regards, >>> Joel >>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 12:55 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> My favorite team ever is the Cincinnati Reds. There's something to be said about the first ever 'professional' team in the majors. (I'm sure somebody knows something about New York, per se, that may contradict that fact.Sort of how North Carolina was 'first in flight', despite the Wright brothers inventing and flying in Dayton before then, but I digress.) >>>> Baseball was and is always my favorite sport of all. I dont remember seeing Rose run the bases, but my pops does, and vouches. By the time i loved the game, Charlie Hustle was a manager, and hustling more than just the baseline. In 1989-90 era Reds, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin and Chris Sabo were gods. Holy crap was Sabo good. >>>> My favorite all time player is Pete Rose, but I wanted to actually be Ken Griffey Jr. when I was 11. >>>> My favorite players today are Joey Votto. He's humble, clutch and consistent. He has no emotion, which contributes to his lack of leadership, buthe is a great player. It takes a real man to go by 'Joey' or 'Mickey' or 'Johnny' or 'Sparky'..... >>>> I have a sweet spot for pitchers, and Justin Verlander fills that void, just as Nolan Ryan did before he retired. I named my son Nolan instead ofPete. >>>> Wes Shepard >>>>> On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>>> Happy new year. >>>>> Nice idea Ed. >>>>> Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root for. Another orange and Black team. >>>>> Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American league team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun year. They hada lot of ex Giants. >>>>> All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds >>>>> All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell Evans Bob Brenly >>>>> All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 Giants are all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do not know.Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will not be a Giant. >>>>> Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year for me. I am freaking out now. >>>>> Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour from >>>>> Randy Welk >>>>> In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >>>>> Happy New Year All >>>>> Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the >>>>> trigger. >>>>> I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my >>>>> hometown Orioles. >>>>> They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. >>>>> Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. >>>>> Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you >>>>> that feel the same >>>>> as I do about YOUR favorite team. >>>>> Heres what I need to know >>>>> Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or2) >>>>> Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) >>>>> I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. >>>>> thanks for your anticipated cooperation >>>>> EDDIE >>>>> Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= To: "'ED SCHOTT'" , Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:32:15 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: "Bob Donaldson" Favorite team Boston Red Sox Favorite All-Time Player =E2=93 Yaz and Babe Ruth Favorite Current Player =E2=93 Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts Favorite Person in Baseball =E2=93 Terry Francona From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:55 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= To: Joel Freedman Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:35:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 16:45:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" , "jefreedman1@gmail.com" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 17:16:00 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition From: Taylor Schock ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 09:23:45 -0800 Subject: Bob Lemke From: "George Vrechek" Bob Lemke's death yesterday was tough news to start the year. Bob was 75. The last time I saw him in Chicago was several years ago. He always had time to talk about the hobby; it was about the players and the cards and not the money. He was the SCD editor when I started writing for them, I believe. He loved checklists, variations and obscure players. He was a modern-day Buck Barker. He later got involved in SCD's short-lived effort to auction collections. He remained active, chiming in on occasion with our online variation group. Bob's articles were always the first ones I would read in SCD because I would learn something. He was open to sharing information he received on variation discoveries. Things changed for him at SCD and he was no longer handling the catalog, which was a fine effort on his part. The catalog is still coasting on Bob's work, I think. It is tough to loose someone who has been there for years as a good guy in the hobby who you could trust to do the right thing. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 17:35:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bob Lemke From: Tim newcomb That is sad news. Bob did more than almost anyone for our hobby and didn'treally get much credit. He obviously did it because he loved the cards (as opposed to $$ and bling). George's comments are spot-on - Bob was alwaysgenerous and reliable, and for a long time was the best thing about SCD. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 11:23 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bob Lemke Bob Lemke's death yesterday was tough news to start the year. Bob was 75. The last time I saw him in Chicago was several years ago. He always had timeto talk about the hobby; it was about the players and the cards and not the money. He was the SCD editor when I started writing for them, I believe. He loved checklists, variations and obscure players. He was a modern-day Buck Barker. He later got involved in SCD's short-lived effort to auction collections. He remained active, chiming in on occasion with our online variation group. Bob's articles were always the first ones I would read in SCD because I would learn something. He was open to sharing information he received on variation discoveries. Things changed for him at SCD and he was no longer handling the catalog, which was a fine effort on his part. The catalogis still coasting on Bob's work, I think. It is tough to loose someone who has been there for years as a good guy in the hobby who you could trust to do the right thing. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 11:05:27 -0800 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Rick I glued them in yesterday I'll check on them later to make sure they stuck. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:44 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I'm trying to figure out how to glue my Slurpee cups into an album. > Jay Tysver > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:32 AM > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > Taylor, I am trying to make some sense of the different card backs, printing errors and actual corrections during print runs for my spreadsheet. > One thing that I have done for myself in collecting the printing stock variation is to make one printing stock the base set and the alternate a parallel stock variation. Count them both, this seems logical to me. I would want my original set to have just one of the stock types and not be mixed. I have come to this after years of collecting! > As for the 66's and maybe the 64's? I see the different color backs, but no one states that these are stock variations. The 52's, 53's, 56's,59's, and 60's are all identified as stock variation. >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:47 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical card in each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have (2) >> I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. >> I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. Butthen again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you have a ghost? >> I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our treasures. >> Wes Shepard >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... particularlyto avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" >>> A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation,not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with different backs would fall under this category as well. >>> While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set.As an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Someof them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the series, but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and "b"(and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that makes any >>> Ken M >>> Sent from my not so smart phone. >>> ------ Original message------ >>> From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM >>> To: Joel Freedman; >>> Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@verizon.net; >>> Subject:Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>> Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was designed to be printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the 1966 Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have it meanwhatever we want it to mean. >>> My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being 'variations' was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those print defects that have been blessed as 'variations' over the years. >>> Regards, >>> Taylor >>> From: Joel Freedman > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM >>> To: Taylor Schock >>> Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net; mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; >>> Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>> Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear there is no variation in the color of the light! >>> Regards, >>> Joel >>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not thesepseudo variations of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 and 1960 Topps cards. >>>> Regards, >>>> Taylor >>>> From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM >>>> To: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>>> I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print anomalies. >>>> 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runson two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having added text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a printing >>>> 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards printed in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as "variations." >>>> 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:33:37 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: Joel Freedman Peter! your email makes it sound like this discussion is OVA! On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 2:05 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I glued them in yesterday I'll check on them later to make sure they stuck. > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:44 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how to glue my Slurpee cups into an album. > Jay Tysver > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 4, 2017 8:32 AM > *To:* Taylor Schock > *Cc:* OBC Ramblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card > recognition level > Taylor, I am trying to make some sense of the different card backs, > printing errors and actual corrections during print runs for my spreadsheet. > One thing that I have done for myself in collecting the printing stock > variation is to make one printing stock the base set and the alternate a > parallel stock variation. Count them both, this seems logical to me. I > would want my original set to have just one of the stock types and not be > mixed. I have come to this after years of collecting! > As for the 66's and maybe the 64's? I see the different color backs, but > no one states that these are stock variations. The 52's, 53's, 56's,59's, > and 60's are all identified as stock variation. > On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:47 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical >> card in each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have >> (2) cards. >> I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and >> another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. >> I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a >> 'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. But >> then again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you >> have a ghost? >> I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd >> singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our >> treasures. >> Wes Shepard >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, >> anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... >> particularly to avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" >> A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation, >> not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with >> different backs would fall under this category as well. >> While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set. >> As an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Some >> of them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the >> series, but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and >> "b" (and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that >> makes any sense. >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> ------ Original message------ >> *From: *Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com >> <+taylor_schock@hotmail.com> [OBC-Ramblings] >> *Date: *Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM >> *To: *Joel Freedman; >> *Cc: *vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ >> yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@verizon.net; >> *Subject:*Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >> recognition level >> Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was *designed * to be >> printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the >> 1966 Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet >> they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but >> that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have >> it mean whatever we want it to mean. >> My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being >> 'variations' was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those >> print defects that have been blessed as 'variations' over the >> years. >> Regards, >> Taylor >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* Joel Freedman > <%3Cjefreedman1@gmail.com> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM >> *To:* Taylor Schock >> *Cc:* vrechek@ameritech.net <+vrechek@ameritech.net>; >> mikesportsfan@aol.com <+mikesportsfan@aol.com>; >> OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com <+OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; >> hoot_owl1@verizon.net <+hoot_owl1@verizon.net> >> *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >> recognition level >> Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 >> (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when >> the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear >> there is no variation in the color of the light! >> Regards, >> Joel >> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true >>> text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not >>> these*pseudo variations* of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 >>> and 1960 Topps cards. >>> Regards, >>> Taylor >>> ------------------------------ >>> *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on >>> behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < >>> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM >>> *To:* vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@ya >>> hoogroups.com >>> *Subject:* Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card >>> recognition level >>> I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print >>> anomalies. >>> 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runs >>> on two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having >>> added text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a >>> printing error. >>> 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards >>> printed in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. >>> Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as >>> "variations." >>> 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different >>> paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 14:38:19 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Favorite player is, was, and always shall be... Al Kaline. However, as another FOOT member, I have to throw out my HOMer, Kirk Gibson, as well. Sam Taylor On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:32 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Favorite team Boston Red Sox > Favorite All-Time Player =E2=93 Yaz and Babe Ruth > Favorite Current Player =E2=93 Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts > Favorite Person in Baseball =E2=93 Terry Francona > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ > yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:55 PM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player Sam Taylor ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:00:55 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com, obcbobd@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Both great choices. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Bob Donaldson Cc: ED SCHOTT ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 2:45 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Favorite player is, was, and always shall be... Al Kaline. However, as another FOOT member, I have to throw out my HOMer, Kirk Gibson,as Sam Taylor On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 11:32 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Favorite team Boston Red Sox Favorite All-Time Player =E2=93 Yaz and Babe Ruth Favorite Current Player =E2=93 Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts Favorite Person in Baseball =E2=93 Terry Francona From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:55 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player Sam Taylor ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , ED SCHOTT Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:11:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Aaron Shirley Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I like teams from St. Louis. I love to researchthem. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners at the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves or latest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS AGO. But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model. He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate andat the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with theBraves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many lost chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in themiddle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to behonest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scopeand length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals.You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you haveto open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and nichesand ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and GlennBrummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares my birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dude only has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John,a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in thehall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches and cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938 because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took offthe jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or homeruns or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. Ieven like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up... sitting next to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:19:00 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, easchott@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Okay, I give up. I always make it all the way through Morganti's rambles. I made it through the discussion and reasons for your favorite team(s). Ijust could not get through the favorite player(s) part. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; ED SCHOTT Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I like teams from St. Louis. I love to researchthem. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners at the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves or latest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS AGO. But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model. He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate andat the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with theBraves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many lost chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in themiddle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to behonest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scopeand length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals.You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you haveto open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and nichesand ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and GlennBrummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares my birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dude only has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John,a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in thehall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches and cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took off the jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or home runs or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. Ieven like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up...sittingnext to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 13:24:47 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: James Silva Hmm. Great question, but really hard to answer within those parameters - soI won=E2=99t! I=E2=99m gonna cheat and add some categories! 1) My favorite superstar vintage position players are probably Jackie Robinson and Lou Gehrig for obvious reasons. I thought about what cards generatethe most excitement for me and it is those two guys. Also, if I got to time travel and have dinner with two players it would likely be those guys although that makes it even tougher because how do you leave out Ty Cobb or Joe Jackson or... 2) As for superstar vintage pitchers, I would have to choose Christy Mathewson and Walter Johnson for pure dominance, class, interesting stories, coolnicknames, and wow factor when I think about getting one of their cards. 3) My favorite non-superstar vintage players would have to be Muddy Ruel for the family connection, his long and varied career, and his appearance in many significant games. Also, probably Satchel Page (which is cheating because he should have been a superstar in MLB and was one in the Negro Leagues). Man, the stories that guy must have had! 4) As for guys from my era, since I am an A=E2=99s fan one would have tobe Joe Rudi because when I met him at the Crosby Pro Am he was really niceto me - and he felt like the glue for those A=E2=99s teams. Rickey Henderson would probably be the other one since he was so much fun to watch no matter what he was doing! Hard to leave out Reggie, Campy, Catfish, Vida, Rollie, and even Dick Green (who I used to try to emulate as a second baseman), but today I choose those two. 5) My non-A=E2=99s selections would be Larry Walker because he did some of the most heady things I have ever seen in the field, and Nolan Arenado because watching him play third base is a glove man=E2=99s dream! Thanks for letting me cheat (although you had no choice!). Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 > On Jan 4, 2017, at 9:32 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Favorite team Boston Red Sox > Favorite All-Time Player =E2=93 Yaz and Babe Ruth > Favorite Current Player =E2=93 Dustin Pedroia and Mookie Betts > Favorite Person in Baseball =E2=93 Terry Francona > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2017 5:55 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:40:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Aaron Shirley Hey, no fair! I read all your blog posts on your summer stadium tour! From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 2:19 PM To: uthminsta@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; easchott@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Okay, I give up. I always make it all the way through Morganti's rambles. I made it through the discussion and reasons for your favorite team(s). Ijust could not get through the favorite player(s) part. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; ED SCHOTT Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I like teams from St. Louis. I love to researchthem. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners at the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves or latest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS AGO. But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model. He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate andat the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with theBraves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many lost chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in themiddle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to behonest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scopeand length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals.You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you haveto open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and nichesand ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and GlennBrummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares my birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dude only has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John,a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in thehall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches and cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938 because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took offthe jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or homeruns or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. Ieven like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up... sitting next to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 15:42:42 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I do not think any of them was as long as your ramble! -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: mikesportsfan ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Hey, no fair! I read all your blog posts on your summer stadium tour! From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 2:19 PM To: uthminsta@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; easchott@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Okay, I give up. I always make it all the way through Morganti's rambles. I made it through the discussion and reasons for your favorite team(s). Ijust could not get through the favorite player(s) part. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; ED SCHOTT Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 3:12 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I like teams from St. Louis. I love to researchthem. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners at the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves or latest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS AGO. But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model. He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate andat the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with theBraves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many lost chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in themiddle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to behonest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scopeand length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals.You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you haveto open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and nichesand ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and GlennBrummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares my birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dude only has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John,a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in thehall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches and cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took off the jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or home runs or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. Ieven like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up...sittingnext to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:43:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: JAY TYSVER That was fun to read. Makes me want to have multiple guys. Being a Mets fan and actually having a chance to see Willie Mays play as a Met, he quickly became my favorite. Tom Seaver also grabs those reins as well. Rusty Staub may be right behind them. However, my favorite people in the game are probably Gil Hodges and Jackie Robinson. Primarily because of their character. I can only imagine what thedynamics of those 1950s Dodgers teams were. They had great players, but also great character guys. I am an advocate for putting Jackie on a coin. He may have been as important to the civil rights movement as MLK was. He certainly was involved in it in many ways. As far as modern players- I can't say that David Wright is my favorite Met.I know that Noah Syndergaard grabs a lot of my attention. Some of the other Mets guys garner my attention as well. I like Brandon Nimmo for his youthful enthusiasm. I like Lucas Duda when he puts on a freak show and hits 40 homers in a ten game span. I like Jose Reyes because he is a Met for life and he has more energy on the field than anyone else. I like Juan Lagares attimes also. I like Conforto because of his promise. I like TJ Rivera because I honestly believe he can win a batting title. If I were to collect any Mets player, it would be Syndergaard- as for others- I have been collecting serial numbered and or autographed cards of all Mets as they come up. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 2:11 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; ED SCHOTT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I like teams from St. Louis. I love to researchthem. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners at the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves or latest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS AGO. But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model. He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate andat the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with theBraves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many lost chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in themiddle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to behonest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scopeand length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals.You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you haveto open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and nichesand ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and GlennBrummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares my birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dude only has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John,a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in thehall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches and cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938 because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took offthe jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or homeruns or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. Ieven like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up... sitting next to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 23:43:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 1:14:54 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Favorite Player Survey From: Favorite Team - Cleveland Indians, I have suffered through the good and bad since 1958. All time players - Rocky Colavito, Gaylord Perry and an unpopular choice, Albert Belle. Albert had his issues, but he came to play every day. Current Player - Francisco Lindor, he plays the game like he enjoys it, and he likely will be around the Tribe for a few years to come. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:44:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: ED SCHOTT Davis, Machado On 1/1/2017 5:55 PM, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you > that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:14:30 -0500 To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net, malsman250@neo.rr.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Player Survey From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Like virtually every other person in the hobby, I had the pleasure of meeting Bob Feller in person. In fact one of the rarest items in the hobby is an UNautographed Bob Feller item. I met Feller at a private autograph signing session at a Cleveland National before I ever joined OBC. While I do not normally collect autographs, a friend of mine had the invitation to the event. With Feller's proclivity to sign, everyone in the room already had all the Feller autographs they wanted. This left Feller sitting there alone, and I was able to go over and have about a 20 minute 1 on 1 conversation with him. He was the greatest player of all time. If you did not believe that, all you had to do was ask HIM! Our conversation covered a wide rangeof topics, the game, players, etc. I asked him about Josh Gibson. He replied, "That boy could hit the ball further than any other hitter to ever play the game." (Feller played before political correctness). He went on tosay, that even he could not throw a fastball by him, but how "much fun it was to rare back and throw Uncle Charlie and watch him swing silly and miss. He could never touch my curveball." The way he got up from his chair and acted out pitching and Gibson swinging is a memory already with me for about 20 years and will probably never go away. One of my favorite sports conversations I ever had. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: malsman250 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 8:51 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Player Survey I liked Bob Feller Tom Billing Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, January 4, 2017, 7:14 PM, malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Favorite Team - Cleveland Indians, I have suffered through the good and badsince All time players - Rocky Colavito, Gaylord Perry and an unpopular choice, Albert Belle. Albert had his issues, but he came to play every day. Current Player - Francisco Lindor, he plays the game like he enjoys it, andhe likely will be around the Tribe for a few years to come. ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 02:24:30 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Address Change Alert From: Dan Angland Hello Friends, Please update your contact list with the below address. I have updated it on the OBC website and don't sweat it if you have something going to my old address.It will make it to me. Thanks, Dan AnglandHave an OBC Day! Dan Angland36 Mills Pond RoadSt. James, NY 11780 ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:34:52 -0500 To: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Doug DeJong For me, growing up in Minnesota I was a Twins fan, and I guess they will always be my favorite team. Harmon Killebrew was my favorite player --- got to meet him once and he was the kindest guy imaginable. Next up was Rod Carew and Tony Oliva. But Killebrew was also number one for me! Hated the Orioles because they beat the Twins in the first two divisional playoff series ever. As I got older the Twins got worse and worse and I stopped paying any attention. Then in the 80's and 90's I started collecting cards again and the Twins became relevant starting in 1987. I became a huge Kirby Puckett fan. It was hard reading about all his troubles/issues that came up after he retired; such a contrast to the persona he displayed during his playing days. Among current players ---- I couldn't tell you. Cannot even think of a single player on the Twins roster right now. My interests keep going further back in time. Love reading the books about the players that played before I was following the game, and finished one by Jackie Robinson Doug DeJong On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:14 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > this thread has been fun to read > some have been very lengthy in response and some quick. > my baseball fandom has been kind of mixed over the years. > growing up in Virginia, the O's were too far to attend games regularly, so > they never really captured my attention. > with no team in DC, I wandered a bit. > My grandmother near Pittsburgh loved the buccos and I loved watching with > her. > My dad liked the dodgers because the pirates were so bad when he was a kid > he rooted elsewhere > so I liked both dodgers and pirates for awhile... > I moved to Memphis with a job around 94-95. > When Louisville Redbirds moved to Memphis in 98 (and new ballpark opened > soon thereafter), I became a cardinals fan. > it was (and is) fun to watch the young players and speculate which will > stick in STL, and see occasional big leaguers on rehab assignments. > so with that mixed history, my favorite vintage players were Stargell, > Parker, and Madlock (along with the greats Clemente and Aaron) > Favorite modern players Yadier Molina, Adam Wainwright, and Chris > Carpenter. > I know football was not part of the survey...but I rooted for the redskins > as a kid and still do (although last 20 yrs have been pretty rough). > OBC was super helpful in helping me with the redskins team sets all the > way back to 48 leaf. I never thought I would get that far, but we did.. > and in last 10 yrs since I have finished the vintage football I > wanted...gave done more baseball set building (in sets most of the group > has long since completed)...the group has helped me a lot there... > thanks for reading > mark zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 20:43:41 -0600 To: easchott@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: OBC Nick P This shouldn't be as tough a question as it is for me. Favorite teams are the Minnesota Twins and the Chicago Cubs. My earliest baseball memories are watching the twins through two World Series titles and some very lean years between the two. I've been a Cubs fan since 1992. I was every bit of eleven years old. My parents and I went to visit my dads brother in Chicago. Part of the trip was going to see a Cubs game at wrigley field. I was hooked. I couldn't tell you anything about my first twins game. I can tell you about my first Cubs game....August 11, 1992 to be specific. After a bottom ofthe ninth home run by mark grace tied the game....we had to wait until the17th inning for the Cubs to finally fall. Favorite players......tough as some of my favorites are junk era guys. Vintage: Walter Johnson, Jack Morris, Harmon Killebrew, Tony Olivia, Eddie Matthews, and Ernie Banks. Junk era: Kirby Puckett and Ryne Sandburg Current: Joe Mauer (local area high school kid for the hometown team) Did I answer all the questions? I hope so. Nick Pelletier > On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:14 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > this thread has been fun to read > some have been very lengthy in response and some quick. > my baseball fandom has been kind of mixed over the years. > growing up in Virginia, the O's were too far to attend games regularly, so they never really captured my attention. > with no team in DC, I wandered a bit. > My grandmother near Pittsburgh loved the buccos and I loved watching withher. > My dad liked the dodgers because the pirates were so bad when he was a kid he rooted elsewhere > so I liked both dodgers and pirates for awhile... > I moved to Memphis with a job around 94-95. > When Louisville Redbirds moved to Memphis in 98 (and new ballpark opened soon thereafter), I became a cardinals fan. > it was (and is) fun to watch the young players and speculate which will stick in STL, and see occasional big leaguers on rehab assignments. > so with that mixed history, my favorite vintage players were Stargell, Parker, and Madlock (along with the greats Clemente and Aaron) > Favorite modern players Yadier Molina, Adam Wainwright, and Chris Carpenter. > I know football was not part of the survey...but I rooted for the redskins as a kid and still do (although last 20 yrs have been pretty rough). > OBC was super helpful in helping me with the redskins team sets all the way back to 48 leaf. I never thought I would get that far, but we did.. > and in last 10 yrs since I have finished the vintage football I wanted...gave done more baseball set building (in sets most of the group has long since completed)...the group has helped me a lot there... > thanks for reading > mark zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 18:48:39 -0800 To: Don Rice Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] 2017 Annual OBC Membership Poll From: Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Rick wrote: > What is the difference between going inactive and being removed. Sorry ifthe question has been asked before they seem to be the same thing as far as what OBC does and what you have to do to get reinstated. Rick > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Don Rice dkrice@twc.com [OBC-Announcements] >> >> Greetings! >> Now that 2016 is in our rear view mirror and 2017 is here to stay, it'sonce again time for the annual OBC Advisory Committee (OBCAC) membership poll. In order to remain on the active roster, OBC rules require all activemembers to respond to this poll. It ensures that your membership remains active and we have current valid email addresses. We hope you will remain active in OBC, as well as encourage other prospective OBC members this coming >> There are three options for your response. You may respond: >> Yes ... Please keep me on the active roster of OBC >> No ... I do not wish to be active; please place me on the inactive list >> No ... I am leaving OBC; please remove me from the group >> I will keep this poll open for 2 weeks until January 18, 2017. This should afford enough time for all active members to respond. >> Members who do not respond will be given a notice prior to the dreaded =E2=9Cfurther action=E2=9D being taken, but please respond to cut down the sometimes considerable follow-up efforts. >> It is not necessary for inactive members respond, but if you wish to do so it's always nice to hear from you (and it would be great if you decided to return to active duty). >> All active members... please RESPOND directly to me (Don Rice) by sending an email to dkrice@twc.com stating either: >> Yes ... Keep me active! >> No ... Make me inactive! >> No ... Remove me! >> Please include your =E2=9Creal=E2=9D name in the email to help me figure out who has responded. >> Many thanks for keeping OBC alive and well. >> Don Rice, for the OBCAC ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:49:30 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level From: ShoelessWes Good point. This has often confused me when deciphering a topps regular vs.topps milton bradley. Wes Shepard > On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:45 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > One might also add that beyond the 1968 Milton Bradleys, there are also stock variations in some of the mid series 1968s. Some of them are on the same color backs as the Milton Bradleys. > Jay Tysver > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 10:35 AM > To: Joel Freedman > Cc: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > >>> As for the 66's and maybe the 64's? I see the different color backs, but no one states that these are stock variations. The 52's, 53's, 56's,59's, and 60's are all identified as stock variation. > Just because no one states that these are stock variations, doesn't mean that they aren't. They are. And just because historically they have not been identified as different backs, doesn't mean they aren't. Again, they are.There are bright white backs and there dull 'tan' backs. The problem (historically) is that they are more difficult to tell the difference (though IMO, not that difficult) and weren't as visibly 'obvious' as the white/grey or cream/grey differences. So they didn't get an 'official' designation as a'variation'. To note that 1956 or 1960 backs as variations, and not consider the 1966 backs as variations, is, as Spock might say, illogical. > BUT.... > At the same time, we consider some print defects as variations, while others are just print defects (until they get some kind of 'official designation' as such). So logic doesn't really come into play anyway. Sometimes it depends on whether or not a 'change' was made to fix the 'problem' or if it just went away or cropped up on its own. Sometimes we know and sometimes wedon't. There really isn't a 'standard' beyond historical acceptance. My original point on this vs Exhibits is there was a design change (albeit, a small one) on the text or fonts used from year to year. But small enough thatit didn't matter to collector's (and in some cases, very difficult to tellthe > For me with variations, I use the SCD guide for my variations list, I ignore back colors (which is a weird choice based on my OCD-edness in collecting), and add a few of my own that aren't on the list which I think are significant for my own (whatever) reasons. > Bottom line, when it comes to variations, there is no right or wrong way to define them since there isn't any real consistency. So no right or wrongway to collect them. > And if you want to see the 1966 differences, put them under a black light. Or try taking a white back and tan back and skinning them. You'll see theobvious difference in the original card stock that wasn't exposed and not due to any fading/tanning over time. > Regards, > Taylor > From: Joel Freedman > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 9:32 AM > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition level > Taylor, I am trying to make some sense of the different card backs, printing errors and actual corrections during print runs for my spreadsheet. > One thing that I have done for myself in collecting the printing stock variation is to make one printing stock the base set and the alternate a parallel stock variation. Count them both, this seems logical to me. I would want my original set to have just one of the stock types and not be mixed. I have come to this after years of collecting! > As for the 66's and maybe the 64's? I see the different color backs, but no one states that these are stock variations. The 52's, 53's, 56's,59's, and 60's are all identified as stock variation. >> On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 12:47 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I think it makes sense. I personally think that if you have a physical card in each hand, and they are unique in some way from eachother, you have (2) >> I think if you have a 1959 topps Warren Spahn 1931, and another 1921, and another 192 1/2, looks like three cards to me. >> I also do say, that where i believe we all conflict sometimes, is what a'variation' is, versus a 'printing defect' such as centering or focus. Butthen again, what about something like a T206 that is so out of focus, you have a ghost? >> I am pleased to see such candid reflections on our own collections snd singles. These disclosures we discuss may thwart possible "audits" of our treasures. >> Wes Shepard >> On Jan 3, 2017, at 8:40 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> No, no, no and NO! I'm not counting variations, printing differences, anomalies, differences in stock used or anything of the sort... particularlyto avoid the question of, "What is a variation?" >>> A lot of these are listed in the book, BUT with a letter designation,not as a different card (ie. 36a, 36b, 36c, etc.) Tobacco cards with different backs would fall under this category as well. >>> While they are unique cards, I don't consider them unique to the set.As an example, I completed my 1962 Topps baseball set with 598 cards. Someof them were green tints, some not. Later I filled in the rest of the series, but the set was still complete at 598 cards because I added "a" and "b"(and some "c") versions of the same cards I already had... if that makes any >>> Ken M >>> Sent from my not so smart phone. >>> ------ Original message------ >>> From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Date: Tue, Jan 3, 2017 8:12 PM >>> To: Joel Freedman; >>> Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;hoot_owl1@verizon.net; >>> Subject:Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>> Not at all. Just that they are not changes to what was designed to be printed onto the paper. They are just different paper stock. Similar to the 1966 Topps, which had at least 2 different paper stocks being used, yet they aren't seen as 'variations'. I know I'm in the minority here, but that's fine. With the term "variation" open to interpretation, we can have it meanwhatever we want it to mean. >>> My questioning the nature of the different colored backs being 'variations' was as much tongue-in-cheek as anything. Just like all those print defects that have been blessed as 'variations' over the years. >>> Regards, >>> Taylor >>> From: Joel Freedman > >>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 3:33 PM >>> To: Taylor Schock >>> Cc: vrechek@ameritech.net; mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; >>> Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>> Taylor, are you saying that the different backing colors for 56 and 60 (52, 53, 59) are not real but just a figment of my imagination even when the light in the room in is the same at the time of inspection? I swear there is no variation in the color of the light! >>> Regards, >>> Joel >>>> On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 3:19 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> And so as not to forget the 1947-1966 Exhibits, which had true text font/positioning variations each year for the same photos. Not thesepseudo variations of white vs grey (or cream) backs of the 1956 and 1960 Topps cards. >>>> Regards, >>>> Taylor >>>> From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf ofhoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> Sent: Tuesday, January 3, 2017 1:02 PM >>>> To: vrechek@ameritech.net;mikesportsfan@aol.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Questions/comments re: Card recognition >>>> I do think there should be a distinction between variations and print anomalies. >>>> 1961 Post--the box and company are two completely different press runson two different cardboards--with a small percentage of the cards having added text. Whereas the 1962 Post blue lines could be construed to be a printing >>>> 1950 Royal Desserts were printed over three years 1950-52. Cards printed in 1950 had 1949 data; cards printed in 1951 had 1950 information. Therefore the cards are different--but are currently classified as "variations." >>>> 1950-1955 Callahans--the variations in this set follow two different paths. The Heileman and Big Poison ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 19:29:07 -0800 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] 2017 Annual OBC Membership Poll From: Rick Not trying to start a controversy just trying to see the difference for myself. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Amen, brother...I've asked this question every year for about 20 years. And every year, I got voted down. That's fine, but I had to make my stand,since I hate the Inactive List...;) > Take Care, > Geno > From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: Don Rice > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:48 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] 2017 Annual OBC Membership > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Rick wrote: >> What is the difference between going inactive and being removed. Sorry if the question has been asked before they seem to be the same thing as far as what OBC does and what you have to do to get reinstated. Rick >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Don Rice dkrice@twc.com [OBC-Announcements] >>> >>> Greetings! >>> Now that 2016 is in our rear view mirror and 2017 is here to stay, it's once again time for the annual OBC Advisory Committee (OBCAC) membership poll. In order to remain on the active roster, OBC rules require all active members to respond to this poll. It ensures that your membership remains active and we have current valid email addresses. We hope you will remain active in OBC, as well as encourage other prospective OBC members this coming >>> There are three options for your response. You may respond: >>> Yes ... Please keep me on the active roster of OBC >>> No ... I do not wish to be active; please place me on the inactive list >>> No ... I am leaving OBC; please remove me from the group >>> I will keep this poll open for 2 weeks until January 18, 2017. This should afford enough time for all active members to respond. >>> Members who do not respond will be given a notice prior to the dreaded =E2=9Cfurther action=E2=9D being taken, but please respond to cut down the sometimes considerable follow-up efforts. >>> It is not necessary for inactive members respond, but if you wish to doso it's always nice to hear from you (and it would be great if you decidedto return to active duty). >>> All active members... please RESPOND directly to me (Don Rice) by sending an email to dkrice@twc.com stating either: >>> Yes ... Keep me active! >>> No ... Make me inactive! >>> No ... Remove me! >>> Please include your =E2=9Creal=E2=9D name in the email to help mefigure out who has responded. >>> Many thanks for keeping OBC alive and well. >>> Don Rice, for the OBCAC ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 03:30:21 +0000 (UTC) To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] 2017 Annual OBC From: Geno Wagner I was actually trying to start a controversy...haha! Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 20:29, Rick wrote: Not trying to start a controversy just trying to see the difference for myself. Rick Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2017, at 7:13 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Amen, brother...I've asked this question every year for about 20 years. And every year, I got voted down. That's fine, but I had to make my stand, since I hate the Inactive List...;) Take Care,Geno From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: Don Rice Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 7:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] 2017 Annual OBC Membership Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Rick wrote: What is the difference between going inactive and being removed. Sorry if the question has been asked before they seem to be the same thing as far as what OBC does and what you have to do to get reinstated. Rick Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Don Rice dkrice@twc.com [OBC-Announcements] Now that 2016 is in our rear view mirror and 2017 is here to stay, it's once again time for the annual OBC Advisory Committee (OBCAC) membership poll. In order to remain on the active roster, OBC rules require all active members to respond to this poll. It ensures that your membership remains active and we have current valid email addresses. We hope youwill remain active in OBC, as well as encourage other prospective OBC members this coming year. There are three options for your response. You may respond: - Yes ... Please keep me on the active roster of OBC - No ... I do not wish to be active; please place me on the inactive - No ... I am leaving OBC; please remove me from the group I will keep this poll open for 2 weeks until January 18, 2017. This should afford enough time for all active members to respond. Members who do not respond will be given a notice prior to the dreaded =E2=9Cfurther action=E2=9D being taken, but please respond to cut down the sometimes considerable follow-up efforts. It is not necessary for inactive members respond, but if you wish to do soit's always nice to hear from you (and it would be great if you decided toreturn to active duty). All active members... please RESPOND directly to me (Don Rice) by sending an email to dkrice@twc.com stating either: - Yes ... Keep me active! - No ... Make me inactive! - No ... Remove me! Please include your =E2=9Creal=E2=9D name in the email to help mefigure out who has responded. Many thanks for keeping OBC alive and well. Don Rice, for the OBCAC ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 22:33:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en And the final baseball quote of the year is a good follow up to Aaron's A hot dog at the game beats roast beef at the Ritz. =E2=94 Humphrey Bogart Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/4/2017 3:12:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I like teams from St. Louis. I love to research them. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves or latest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model. He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate and at the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with the Braves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in the middle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to be honest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So cool. Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scope and length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals. You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you have to open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and niches and ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and Glenn Brummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dudeonly has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John, a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in the hall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938 because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took off the jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or home runs or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. even like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up... sitting next to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... ================= To: ShoelessWes , rjsfgmv@aol.com Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:42:50 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: Yaz My favorite team since forever has been the Boston Red Sox. I have had many favorite players through the years. The majority but not all have been Bosox. They became my favorites while they played and remained faves as the game passed them by. I have been in a dynasty baseball league since 1981 and a couple of favorite players spent most of their careers helping my teams. Here is the list. * denotes super favorite status Frank Malzone Carl Yastrzemski * Billy Williams Dwight Evans * Robin Yount Cecil Cooper Vladimir Guerrero Jeff Bagwell* Dustin Pedroia * Knocking on the door: Mookie Betts Greg (yaz) On 1/2/2017 11:55 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My favorite team ever is the Cincinnati Reds. There's something to be > said about the first ever 'professional' team in the majors. (I'm sure > somebody knows something about New York, per se, that may contradict > that fact. Sort of how North Carolina was 'first in flight', despite > the Wright brothers inventing and flying in Dayton before then, but I > digress.) > Baseball was and is always my favorite sport of all. I dont remember > seeing Rose run the bases, but my pops does, and vouches. By the time > i loved the game, Charlie Hustle was a manager, and hustling more than > just the baseline. In 1989-90 era Reds, Eric Davis, Barry Larkin and > Chris Sabo were gods. Holy crap was Sabo good. > My favorite all time player is Pete Rose, but I wanted to actually be > Ken Griffey Jr. when I was 11. > My favorite players today are Joey Votto. He's humble, clutch and > consistent. He has no emotion, which contributes to his lack of > leadership, but he is a great player. It takes a real man to go by > 'Joey' or 'Mickey' or 'Johnny' or 'Sparky'..... > I have a sweet spot for pitchers, and Justin Verlander fills that > void, just as Nolan Ryan did before he retired. I named my son Nolan > instead of Pete. > Wes Shepard > On Jan 2, 2017, at 1:04 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Happy new year. >> Nice idea Ed. >> Favorite Team. Giants. Like Ed, only team ever had or ever will root >> for. Another orange and Black team. >> Actually at the beginning of 1984 I decided to pick an American >> league team to root for also. I picked the Tigers. That was a fun >> year. They had a lot of ex Giants. >> All time favorite Players. Juan Marichal Bobby Bonds >> All time favorite when old enough to pay good attention. Darrell >> Evans Bob Brenly >> All time current. Geez, that is tough. I guess the 25 current 2017 >> Giants are all tied. Maybe Hunter Pence. No, Not Hunter Pence. I do >> not know. Sergio Romo was the favorite current but I think he will >> not be a Giant. >> Ed, This is too tough. I thought 2017 was going to be an easy year >> for me. I am freaking out now. >> Ok, favorite current player. Matt Moore. That might change an hour >> from now. >> Randy Welk >> In a message dated 1/1/2017 2:55:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> writes: >> Happy New Year All >> Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the >> trigger. >> I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my >> hometown Orioles. >> They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. >> Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. >> Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot >> of you >> that feel the same >> as I do about YOUR favorite team. >> Heres what I need to know >> Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite >> player(or 2) >> Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) >> I will gather the results and share the final list around the end >> of Jan. >> thanks for your anticipated cooperation >> EDDIE >> Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: 04 Jan 2017 19:55:29 -0800 To: Subject: favorite From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 04 Jan 2017 19:59:20 -0800 To: Subject: new collection From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 22:28:40 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: What do you think.... From: OBC Nick P My first instinct is always fake. What do you think? Is there a chance this is real? ================= Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 23:30:54 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: New Year, New Ramble From: Ken M Hi gang,  A few topics to touch on in this one, so it may get Shirley-esque ;-) Please prepare accordingly.  Well, the top story tonight is that in 90 days (or just over two years since I filed) I will be officially divorced. There's good news and bad news aplenty with that. For instance, I get to keep the house - which I now owe more money on than when I bought it over ten years ago and is slowly falling into disrepair. I also get to keep a large chunk of my 401k - although I can't access any of the money until I retire (at least 15 more years) or pay off the loan on it (not happening any time soon either). I also stop accruing legal fees - which already are in the decent looking 1952 Mantle range. Wish I coulda bought one of those instead of pouring it into that sinkhole. In the meantime, I'll just keep plugging away.   I bought both the kids tablets for Christmas, so Daddy's house won't be so "boring" when they are here. In order for that idea to work, I'm going to hav e to get some kind of internet connection for them. This may lead to fewer reports from the 'not so smart phone' and more from an actual functioning computer. That also may or may not lead to longer rambles... or maybe just more frequent ones. Fair warning.  I'm gonna stick my favorite team and players in here to see if Ed's still reading. I suppose very few of you will be shocked to learn it's the Red Sox. It's been a roller coaster affair. I was a long suffering fan. I was hurt when Yaz popped out in 1978, then devastated when they were one strike away in 1986. I attended the parade in 2004 with 3 million of my closest friends. The last decade or so has more than made up for the first three I followed them. Favorite players: Jim Rice, who would've been my HOM'er when I first joined OBC had I not felt he had a shot at the real Hall - and I was eventually proven right by the BBWAA. After Rice, I liked Wade Boggs. I bought pages of his RC's back in the 80's and still have a few pages of them left. Loved to watch him hit. Current players... hmm. Truth is, I don't have the same enthusiasm for the game as I did when I was 10-20 years old. I might have to hold off on committing an answer, but if I had to pick one, I might say Mookie Betts has the potential to be 'the guy'.  How come David Ortiz wasn't even nominated for MVP? Did I already ask that? DH or no, the guy still put up some good numbers and with interleague play, it wasn't like he NEVER saw the field. I thought he got snubbed.  I think Mike Rich asked about stamps in the collector recognition levels thread. If they were issued in panels of two or ten, do we count them as one panel or the individual stamps? I counted them individually, as they were perforated and are commonly found separated (and often stuck into albums - sold separately). Then I realized how would I handle 79-80 basketball (or UV: 1981 scratchoffs)? The cards were also perforated panels of three, but no albums for them. I would count each different player in the set, regardless of being separated or not. Had the 1941 Double Plays been issued this way, I would think differently about a 75 card complete set.  I'm hoarding 1971 Kellogg's again. I might put together another set just to sell on eBay. (I'm already at 2/3 complete with a bunch of the stars). I'll put the money in with the Chicago fund. I've decided to put $20 in an envelope every week until the Nationals. That'll give me at least 500 bucks to make the trip. A lot of it will go towards gas and the room, but I'll be there... and who needs to buy cards there anyway?  OK, it's getting late and I'm taking the kids to school in the morning. Thanks for reading, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 23:41:00 -0500 Subject: 2016 review and 2017 goals From: "Matt Yudt" OK, a little late for this because I just switched home offices with my wife and the past few days have been crazy trying to organize my stuff! Thought it would be fun, but at this point it is not. For 2016 Goal: 2100 added baseball cards --- actual achieved: 2764 Goal: Add 600 vintage OPC baseball --- actual achieved: >1300 Goal: Add 350 to the topps run --- actual achieved 345. Ugh Goal: Add 600 Bowman --- actual achieved 288. Bigger ugh Added 18 new sets and completed 9 sets - most notably the 1960 topps set Now have 181 vintage baseball sets in the collection (complete or started) For 2017 Like last year, the objective now is to get as many cards I need as I can - this allows most flexibility and priority in finding the best deals. Nevertheless, My goal for 2017 is to add 2400 baseball cards, which will take me over 26,000 baseball only! Still some low hanging fruit available, so should be achievable. Want to break under 1000 for the topps run, but only need 87 more cards for that so shouldn't be an issue - but want to finish at least one topps run set per year, and am pretty close on several. Also, just started football and want to get to 4000 total for that - and have a great head start. If I meet both of these goals, I will be at 30,000 vintage sports cards and knocking on the door to Charles Bray status. There's some other critical goals too - find a new job, lower my golf handicap, and meet more OBCers! (oh, and provide George/Tom with a picture or two so I can get my own card!) Thanks for reading - always enjoy reading and sharing these. Happy New Year Matt Yudt ================= Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 23:42:22 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What do you think.... [1 Attachment] From: Ken M I don't remember Topps issuing die cuts like that. With those cards, I'm also "fake until proven otherwise". Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 11:28 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] What do you think.... [1 Attachment] ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 23:49:25 -0500 To: OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What do you think.... [1 Attachment] From: ShoelessWes I personally would not touch any card for over a few hundred bucks unless it was slabbed by reputable grader, or, met with a couple OBCers about it. Wes Shepard > On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:28 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from OBC Nick P included below] > My first instinct is always fake. > What do you think? Is there a chance this is real? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 Jan 2017 21:21:33 -0800 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What do you think.... From: Rick Please tell me the price is fake regardless if the card is real or fake Sent from my iPad > On Jan 4, 2017, at 8:49 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I personally would not touch any card for over a few hundred bucks unlessit was slabbed by reputable grader, or, met with a couple OBCers about it. > Wes Shepard >> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:28 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> My first instinct is always fake. >> What do you think? Is there a chance this is real? >> Nick Pelletier >> Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 01:16:37 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie Card From: Andy Huntoon Hey guys, I've never seen a card identified as "1910 Baseball Series" before and was wondering if anyone knew what this is. I know there are cards out there that were cut from notebook covers back then but they are usually noted by SGCas notebook on the flip and not just "Baseball Series" so I'm a bit confused Any help with this one? Andy Huntoon Look at this on eBay 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie Card Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 01:39:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Here's one you might be interested in... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Throwing this out to the boys... Not sure who else is doing the matchbooks. As you can see below, Mike needs about half and I only need Mungo. If anyone is into it, check with Mike to see which ones he needs. I'm in if we can find someone else who needs what Mike doesn't... Could be a nice starter Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com To: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: 1/5/2017 12:20:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: Here's one you might be interested in... Thanks for the heads up. $5 a cover is a good price, however I only need 1/2 the lot, including the Van Mungo as well. If I thought I could swap the other 1/2 for some I need I would go for it, but few in OBC have any to swap. I am going to pass, but if you hear anyone else grabs them, lmk as maybe I can swap for some from them. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: mikesportsfan Sent: Wed, Jan 4, 2017 11:44 pm Subject: Here's one you might be interested in... I am only interested in the Mungo... _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-36-Diamond-Baseball-Match-Cover-lot-31-Selkerk (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1935-36-Diamond-Baseball-Match-Cover-lot-31-Selkerk-Mungo-Herman-Werber-Stine/142225746067?_trksid=p2047675.c100011.m1850&_ Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 01:41:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Ch... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Did he hit a game winning homer or something? Looks like he got "Pie'd" :-) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/5/2017 1:16:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey guys, I've never seen a card identified as "1910 Baseball Series" before and was wondering if anyone knew what this is. I know there are cards out there that were cut from notebook covers back then but they are usually noted by SGC as notebook on the flip and not just "Baseball Series" so I'm a bit confused here. Any help with this one? Andy Huntoon Look at this on eBay _1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie Card_ (https://www.ebay.com/itm/232135265041) Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'Yahoogroups'" Date: Wed, 04 Jan 2017 23:36:38 -0500 Subject: 2016 review and 2017 goals From: "Matt Yudt" OK, a little late for this because I just switched home offices with my wife and the past few days have been crazy trying to organize my stuff! Thought it would be fun, but at this point it is not. For 2016 Goal: 2100 added baseball cards --- actual achieved: 2764 Goal: Add 600 vintage OPC baseball --- actual achieved: >1300 Goal: Add 350 to the topps run --- actual achieved 345. Ugh Goal: Add 600 Bowman --- actual achieved 288. Bigger ugh Added 18 new sets and completed 9 sets - most notably the 1960 topps set Now have 181 vintage baseball sets in the collection (complete or started) For 2017 Like last year, the objective now is to get as many cards I need as I can - this allows most flexibility and priority in finding the best deals. Nevertheless, My goal for 2017 is to add 2400 baseball cards, which will take me over 26,000 baseball only! Still some low hanging fruit available, so should be achievable. Want to break under 1000 for the topps run, but only need 87 more cards for that so shouldn't be an issue - but want to finish at least one topps run set per year, and am pretty close on several. Also, just started football and want to get to 4000 total for that - and have a great head start. If I meet both of these goals, I will be at 30,000 vintage sports cards and knocking on the door to Charles Bray status. There's some other critical goals too - find a new job, lower my golf handicap, and meet more OBCers! (oh, and provide George/Tom with a picture or two so I can get my own card!) Thanks for reading - always enjoy reading and sharing these. Happy New Year Matt Yudt ================= Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 06:24:34 -0500 To: Geno Wagner , Rick , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] 2017 Annual OBC From: JDahms ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 08:26:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: joe8941@aol.com Second attempt at this, does anyone else have a problem with messages just getting deleted when you try to post them... I'm sure it's probably just me. Anyway, chiming in with my Red Sox love of course. Old favorites Yaz and Carlton Fisk for obvious reasons. My true childhood favorite though was Marty Barrett, had a game winning walk off hit in my first trip to Fenway and would've been the world series MVP that year if not for the game 6 debacle. Holding out that someday there will be an amendment to the 1980 rule so he can be my HOMer. Hopefully I'll live long enough for 1984 to be a long time ago. Current faves like every other Sox fan Dustin Pedrioa and Mookie Betts is climbing the charts with a bullet. Joe Adriance Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Taylor Schock taylor_schock Favorite team. First and still favorite, the Giants. My dad was on this earth for 52 years before his favorite team (the Phillies) won a World Series,and I was on this earth 52 years before I saw my favorite team win a WorldSeries. AL team, the Indians. Favorite player for me is like asking what my favorite song is. Depends on the day of the week or the mood I'm in. A short list would be Colavito, Clemente, and Mays. Current player? Sorry Randy, but Mad Bum is THE stud! Although Pence-in-a-Pinch would do as well. =EF=BF=BC From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 3:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey That was fun to read. Makes me want to have multiple guys. Being a Mets fan and actually having a chance to see Willie Mays play as a Met, he quickly became my favorite. Tom Seaver also grabs those reins as well. Rusty Staub may be right behind them. However, my favorite people in the game are probably Gil Hodges and Jackie Robinson. Primarily because of their character. I can only imagine what thedynamics of those 1950s Dodgers teams were. They had great players, but also great character guys. I am an advocate for putting Jackie on a coin. He may have been as important to the civil rights movement as MLK was. He certainly was involved in it in many ways. As far as modern players- I can't say that David Wright is my favorite Met.I know that Noah Syndergaard grabs a lot of my attention. Some of the other Mets guys garner my attention as well. I like Brandon Nimmo for his youthful enthusiasm. I like Lucas Duda when he puts on a freak show and hits 40 homers in a ten game span. I like Jose Reyes because he is a Met for life and he has more energy on the field than anyone else. I like Juan Lagares attimes also. I like Conforto because of his promise. I like TJ Rivera because I honestly believe he can win a batting title. If I were to collect any Mets player, it would be Syndergaard- as for others- I have been collecting serial numbered and or autographed cards of all Mets as they come up. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 4, 2017 2:11 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; ED SCHOTT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey Ed and others My favorite team is tricky. I liketeams from St. Louis. I love to research them. To dig for info about the utility infielders and pinch runners at the 1944 World Series is more fun than anyone's current roster or any hot stoves orlatest 30-million-dollar blah blah blah. Don't get me wrong, I love baseball but EVERYONE IN THIS GROUP WOULD AGREE, IT WAS BETTER SIXTY YEARS AGO. But I digress. Growing up in south/central Illinois, I was (and am) a Cardinal fan. Willie and Vince and Ozzie... Whiteyball. We knew these guys by their first names. I also liked the Yankees, simply because of Don Mattingly. Donnie Baseball was my role model.He was a genuine good guy who was great at the plate and at the first sack. Half the reason the '94 strike pissed me off so much was he lost his chance at a ring. I hated baseball from 1994 to 1998. Stupid greed and all these men who couldn't just figure it out enough for the millions of fans to watch a game. Forget it all. But then... waitaminute... the home run chase piqued my interest. I wasn't thinking about andro or what Big Mac was doing to hit all those long balls, but the Cardinals (and the Cubs, because of Sammy) were part of the story, so I followed. So here again are the Cardinals. I'm in. Then Ichiro's 262 hits in 2004, I was following along even more. History that had nothing to do with PEDs. I love it. When my family moved to Georgia in 2004, I started falling in love with theBraves. And especially with their rich history in three different cities. I love the research, so I looked up Sam Jethroe and George Crowe and Eddie Mathews and Hank Aaron and Warren Spahn... What a wonderful, rich history! Then I went home and watched Smoltz, Andruw, Tex, Frenchy, Salty... Chipper's run at .400 in 2008... what a team! So many pennant races, so many lost chances for more world series rings... Never lost that root love of the Cardinals though. Even when I lived in themiddle of Georgia... even though I wanted the Braves to win... the Cardinals just felt like... HOME. In 2006 when Pujols hit 49 home runs, I really thought he was going to reach 50. And even though I *SAID* I was a Braves fan, you better believe I noticed the Cardinals only played 161 games that season. What? Why? And then in his FIRST GAME OF THE POSTSEASON, he hit another home run?! Well, ladies and gentlemen, I count that as 50 home runs! So when we moved back to Illinois in 2009, I started really digging more into the history of St. Louis baseball. The Cardinals, yes, but also the perennial underdogs the Browns. George Sisler. Satchel Paige. Bill Veeck, to behonest. Eddie Gaedel for goodness sake! And what about the 1914-1915 Terriers of the Federal League? Eddie Plank, 3-Finger Brown... given, they were known more for their time with other franchises, but still! The TERRIERS? So Well, this is sliding into Morganti-esque territory with its rambling scopeand length, but hey here we are, and I'm not gonna delete anything. I love the history of the Browns so technically they are CURRENTLY my favorite team, although my favorite CURRENT team would have to be the Cardinals.You see what I did there? Favorite player? Well, that's a whole box of 12 cans of worms, and you haveto open them all. Shall we? For many years I've been a fan of the entire 500 HR club. Just the idea I guess. Certain guys more than others. Ott. Killebrew. Reggie. Mays. Ruth. Aaron. Foxx. And various other slices and nichesand ideas and clubs and groups... and I come up with new ones all the time. "King of the subset." I shouldn't start listing names because I would take another two days to consider and change and edit and delete and restart the list. But I can't help it. I love Musial and Schoendienst and Slaughter and Gibby and a whole bunch of guys who wore the birds on the bat. But not just the HOFers. I like Gary Gaetti, because of where he was born and GlennBrummer because he was related to kids on my schoolbus. Brian Shouse because his mom was my first grade teacher. Kevin Millwood because he shares my birthday. Sam Jethroe because he was the first A.A. Brave. Sadaharu Oh because he's the "world HR king" and had a really cool swing. Josh Gibson because DANG he was a hoss. Jim Abbott because he threw a no-hitter - dude only has one hand! Pat Venditte because he's legit on the mound with EITHER HAND. Are you kidding me? Would you like to hear 20 more? How about Tommy John,a man who took a real risk - or better yet Frank Jobe! Why isn't HE in thehall of fame? He changed the game! Larry Doby should be as much a household name as Jackie. It wasn't like after April 15th it was all peaches and cream. Or Frank Robinson who first - almost 20 years later, mind you - finally became the first A.A. who took the helm of a team. Would the players follow his leadership? Or Hank Greenberg who may not have had a chance to get 60HR in 1938 because he was a Jew? Or how about ANY of the guys who took offthe jersey and put on the uniform of a soldier. How can you top that? You gotta respect a guy who has a gap in their stats because they were doing something for the world that you couldn't quantify by batting average or homeruns or wins above replacement... (DEEP BREATH) Favorite right now? See above where I started talking about 60 years ago. But seriously, I guess you could say Yadi. Or Holliday (I guess he still qualifies simply because he hasn't yet played for the Yankees). Or how about Seung-hwan Oh, the FINAL BOSS! Like others said, I guess I currently root more for the jersey than the star or schlub wearing it. The birds on a bat. Ieven like the way that sounds. What a reason to like a team. Are you still reading this? Wow. There should be a medal for that. I seriously could go on for days about baseball. I love the team more than the player; I love the sport more than the team. The whole of the sport. From the stats to the fields to the tickets to the mascots to the jerseys to the seventh inning stretch to the tomahawk chop to the fireworks after a home run to the huge manual scoreboards to the jumbotron digital miracles (show us that diving catch again) to the ivy on the outfield wall to the human nature of the umps... extra innings in July when the sun finally lets up... sitting next to your friend shucking peanuts... the feel of the stitches pulling on the hide of the ball... #ygrp-mkp { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8; font-family: Arial; margin: 10px 0; padding: 0 10px;}#ygrp-mkp hr { border: 1px solid #d8d8d8;}#ygrp-mkp #hd { color: #628c2a; font-size: 85%; font-weight: 700; line-height: 122%; margin: 10px 0;}#ygrp-mkp #ads { margin-bottom: 10px;}#ygrp-mkp .ad { padding: 0 0;}#ygrp-mkp .ad p { margin: 0;}#ygrp-mkp .ad a { color: #0000ff; text-decoration: none;} #ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc { font-family: Arial;}#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc #hd { margin: 10px 0px; font-weight: 700; font-size: 78%; line-height: 122%;}#ygrp-sponsor #ygrp-lc .ad { margin-bottom: 10px; padding: 0 0;} #actions { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 11px; padding: 10px 0; } #activity { background-color: #e0ecee; float: left; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; padding: 10px; } #activity span { font-weight: 700; } #activity span:first-child { text-transform: uppercase; } #activity span a { color: #5085b6; text-decoration: none; } #activity span span { color: #ff7900; } #activity span .underline { text-decoration: underline; } .attach { clear: both; display: table; font-family: Arial; font-size: 12px; padding: 10px 0; width: 400px; } .attach div a { text-decoration: none; } .attach img { border: none; padding-right: 5px; } .attach label { display: block; margin-bottom: 5px; } .attach label a { text-decoration: none; } blockquote { margin: 0 0 0 4px; } .bold { font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px; font-weight: 700; }.bold a { text-decoration: none; } dd.last p a { font-family: Verdana; font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span { margin-right: 10px; font-family: Verdana;font-weight: 700; } dd.last p span.yshortcuts { margin-right: 0; } div.attach-table div div a { text-decoration: none; } div.attach-table { width: 400px; } div.file-title a, div.file-title a:active, div.file-title a:hover, div.file-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div.photo-title a, div.photo-title a:active, div.photo-title a:hover, div.photo-title a:visited { text-decoration: none; } div#ygrp-mlmsg #ygrp-msg p a span.yshortcuts { font-family: Verdana; font-size: 10px; font-weight: normal; } .green { color: #628c2a; } .MsoNormal { margin: 0 0 0 0; } o { font-size: 0; } #photos div {float: left; width: 72px; } #photos div div { border: 1px solid #666666; height: 62px; overflow: hidden; width: 62px; } #photos div label { color: #666666; font-size: 10px; overflow: hidden; text-align: center; white-space: nowrap; width: 64px; } #reco-category { font-size: 77%; } #reco-desc { font-size: 77%; } .replbq { margin: 4px; } #ygrp-actbar div a:first-child { margin-right: 2px; padding-right: 5px; } #ygrp-mlmsg { font-size: 13px; font-family: Arial, helvetica,clean, sans-serif; *font-size: small; *font: x-small; } #ygrp-mlmsg table { font-size: inherit; font: 100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea { font: 99% Arial, Helvetica, clean, sans-serif; } #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code { font:115% monospace; *font-size:100%; } #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height: 1.22em; } #ygrp-mlmsg #logo { padding-bottom: 10px; } #ygrp-msg p a { font-family: Verdana; } #ygrp-msg p#attach-count span { color: #1E66AE; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco #reco-head { color: #ff7900; font-weight: 700; } #ygrp-reco { margin-bottom: 20px; padding: 0px; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a { font-size: 130%; text-decoration: none; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov li {font-size: 77%; list-style-type: square; padding: 6px 0; } #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul { margin: 0; padding: 0 0 0 8px; } #ygrp-text { font-family: Georgia;} #ygrp-text p { margin: 0 0 1em 0; } #ygrp-text tt { font-size: 120%; } #ygrp-vital ul li:last-child { border-right: none !important; } ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:44:39 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie Card From: Andy Huntoon Hey Brian I don't think that's it. Only because if it was just mislabeled that is an odd vague label to use. It's not like it's even another set name, just "Baseball Series". It doesn't feel like a label that SGC would use. Makes me wonder if it's a fake flip that someone created to make it seem like some rare obscure card. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:34 AM, familytoad@comcast.net wrote: > It could be a skinned E96 mislabeled. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: January 4, 2017 at 10:18 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie Card > Hey guys, > I've never seen a card identified as "1910 Baseball Series" before and was wondering if anyone knew what this is. I know there are cards out there that were cut from notebook covers back then but they are usually noted by SGC as notebook on the flip and not just "Baseball Series" so I'm a bit confused > Any help with this one? > Thanks, > Andy Huntoon > Look at this on eBay > 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Andy Huntoon , familytoad@comcast.net Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:27:51 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister From: Yaz As a lark, I tried to scan the upc code on the ebay photo of the sgc flip. Came up with some type of German self help book you can buy on ebay or amazon. Not helpful, I know but interesting. Greg (yaz) On 1/5/2017 9:44 AM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey Brian > I don't think that's it. Only because if it was just mislabeled that > is an odd vague label to use. It's not like it's even another set > name, just "Baseball Series". It doesn't feel like a label that SGC > would use. Makes me wonder if it's a fake flip that someone created to > make it seem like some rare obscure card. > Andy > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2017, at 10:34 AM, familytoad@comcast.net > wrote: >> It could be a skinned E96 mislabeled. >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> *From: *Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] >> *To: *OBC Ramblings >> *Sent: *January 4, 2017 at 10:18 PM >> *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John >> Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago Cubs Rookie Card >> Hey guys, >> I've never seen a card identified as "1910 Baseball Series" >> before and was wondering if anyone knew what this is. I know >> there are cards out there that were cut from notebook covers back >> then but they are usually noted by SGC as notebook on the flip >> and not just "Baseball Series" so I'm a bit confused here. >> Any help with this one? >> Thanks, >> Andy Huntoon >> Look at this on eBay >> 1913 Baseball Series #JOPF John Pfeister AUTHENTICATED Chicago >> Cubs Rookie Card >> Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 09:15:03 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Here are my answers: Favorite team - Mariners - I started following baseball in 77 and loved the trident. I also started following the Buccaneers. No surpise I did a stint in the Navy a decade later. Favorite players growing up - Joe Morgan, Jim Rice, Jose Cruz and Wade Boggs I don't following baseball that closely to have a current, favorite player. Erik Greenwood On Jan 1, 2017 2:55 PM, "ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Happy New Year All Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my hometown Orioles. They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of you that feel the same as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. thanks for your anticipated cooperation Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 10:30:23 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: OBC favorite team/player From: Larry Tipton Growing up in Southern California the Dodgers have always been my team. My mom listened to every game on the radio until the day she died and we all wore Dodger gear at her funeral. Growing up I liked Maris and Mantle, and Dodger favs Willie Davis, Koufax, Maury Wills, really all the boys in blue from that era. No current favorites as I couldn't even name one or two current players. Myoldest son and his boys are hard core Giants fans so that is always fun! I was watching live TV at my friend Mikes house when Juan Marical took a bat to John Roseboro 8/22/65 I was twelve years old. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 05 Jan 2017 12:19:59 -0800 To: Subject: Thanks Mac! From: 233_23555@msn.com ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 17:22:49 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: When is a list getting longer a good thing? From: Ed Hutchinson When it goes from a have list to a need list, of course! Thanks to a Net54 pickup, my 1911 T59 Flags of all Nations set is now a need list, rather than a have list. I find myself really liking these non sport tobacco cards, and it seems to be a pre war set that I can actually complete! If anyone has any of these lying in their waiver/dupes boxes, they would find a good home here! Ed Hutchinson ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 20:26:08 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Heading down to Jupiter, Fl for St. Louis Cardinal Spring From: Kent Anybody want to meet up for spring training games in Port St. Lucie, West Palm Beach or Jupiter let me know. I'm looking forward to this trip after being confined to quarters with my total knee replacement surgery for the past two months. I still have rehab for another four weeks ugh. But I'll be ready for spring training at least. I will be spending time in Jupiter (Mar. 23 thru 30) and Orlando (Mar. 30 thru Apr.2). ================= Date: 05 Jan 2017 17:47:00 -0800 To: Subject: Brag part II From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 02:34:05 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: electronic cards/topps bunt info From: mark zentkovich I did a review of topps bunt application and other similars and sent to uv server since they are mostly players of today. if anyone that is not subscribed over there wants to read, please let me know and I will forward to you. would like to see a few folks join in and will send some cards your way to help you get started. thanks, mark zentkovich ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 03:27:27 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Where has time gone? From: nick pelletier So Im a little late on writing this, not the first time ive been a little late on something. Thanksgiving time was my five year mark in OBC. WOW! Five yearsalready?!?!?!?! Cardwise: In the last five years ive finished sets I'd never considered starting. Ive started sets that...Holy hell...why am I trying that. Goudey? Playball? The other three sports? WHAT? I have morecards than Id ever thought Id accumulate. And that doesnt include 10,433 cards currently on my want list. crazyness. People wise: By my count Ive met 49 of you. I may have miscounted, counting is hard. Most of those met have been at The National. There is no way I wouldnt have fun at the national. The cards arealmost second class compared with the BSing and camaraderie of the group and our events. For those of you who have made it this far and have not made a national, do it. Very much worth the trip. Personal life: Married and in a house. Yes, you can blame me for the cold snap. Id proposed to Katie the same week I was accepted into OBC. Its been a good five years. Thank you to OBC! Hopefully it can be another great five years and many more. Thank you, Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2017 22:48:27 -0500 To: nick pelletier Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Where has time gone? From: Yahoo Remember the time the guy you had never met picked you up at the airport with a skeleton hanging from his mirror!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2017, at 22:27, nick pelletier nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So Im a little late on writing this, not the first time ive been a littlelate on something. > Thanksgiving time was my five year mark in OBC. WOW! Five years already?!?!?!?! > Cardwise: In the last five years ive finished sets I'd never considered starting. Ive started sets that...Holy hell...why am I trying that. Goudey? Playball? The other three sports? WHAT? I have more cards than Id ever thought Id accumulate. And that doesnt include 10,433 cards currently on my want list. crazyness. > People wise: By my count Ive met 49 of you. I may have miscounted, counting is hard. Most of those met have been at The National. There is no way I wouldnt have fun at the national. The cards are almost second class compared with the BSing and camaraderie of the group and our events. For those of you who have made it this far and have not made a national, do it. Very much worth the trip. > Personal life: Married and in a house. Yes, you can blame me for the coldsnap. Id proposed to Katie the same week I was accepted into OBC. > Its been a good five years. Thank you to OBC! Hopefully it can be another great five years and many more. > Thank you, > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 03:54:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 76 isley's disc question From: Mac Wubben ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 04:00:40 +0000 (UTC) To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 76 isley's disc question From: Geno Wagner Haha!! No DCAs on the schedule at the moment...but I'll let you know! Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 20:54, Mac Wubben wrote: Or just an empty beer glass...if we're being truthful. Who gave Geno the soapbox for the inactive list? I need to listen to him drone on about this again? I wonder if I bought him a fancy beer next time he was in dc he would ST*U about it. I rant about unnamed short wantlists...just send me a 311 man....and geno about his inactive list. Wonder what everyone else is holding in? Seriously though...let me know next time you're in dc and I'll try bribing you. The power I would wield with aWestvletern monopoly... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 1:09 PM To: John Stamper; John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings];JDahms Cc: Obc Ranblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 76 isley's disc question I display them with a pint of beer on top of them!!I Take Care,Geno Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android I used the full sheet and made six card slots...two across and three down. You can use four pocket sheets, but I liked being able to get more per page. Just use a good saver, razor blade, straight edge and a piece of cardboard and make any size pockets from a large single pocket. If you're only doing the one set, I would use four pockets. John Stamper On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:11 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Someone was asking how to display these. Thought someone in the group mighthave a suggestion Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 07:51:39 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 1968 topps football waivers From: JDahms ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 08:04:14 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New Year, New Ramble From: joe8941@aol.com Totally agree with Papi being snubbed for MVP consideration. The Sox don'tsniff the playoffs this year without him. I find myself wondering if voters even watch baseball or do they just look at who led the league in "WAR"?I am actually a big advocate of recognizing the contribution a player makes in the field and clearly Mike Trout is a world class ball player who hadanother great year. However he finished well behind Papi in almost every major offensive category while playing for the Angels who won 74 games and finished 15 games out of the wild card... Wins should matter some right? The moneyballification of baseball has goneoff the deep end. I could rant all day about guys from MIT who've never swung a bat inventing new stats to tell us Mike Trout is awesome, thanks I already knew that! Guess I needed scratch that itch, thanks for the opening Ken. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 Ken M cardclctor Hi gang, A few topics to touch on in this one, so it may get Shirley-esque ;-) Please prepare accordingly. Well, the top story tonight is that in 90 days (or just over two years since I filed) I will be officially divorced. There's good news and bad news aplenty with that. For instance, I get to keep the house - which I nowowe more money on than when I bought it over ten years ago and is slowly falling into disrepair. I also get to keep a large chunk of my 401k - although I can't access any of the money until I retire (at least 15 more years) or pay off the loan on it (not happening any time soon either). I also stopaccruing legal fees - which already are in the decent looking 1952 Mantle range. Wish I coulda bought one of those instead of pouring it into that sinkhole. In the meantime, I'll just keep plugging away. I bought both the kids tablets for Christmas, so Daddy's housewon't be so "boring" when they are here. In order for that idea to work, I'm going to have to get some kind of internet connection for them. This maylead to fewer reports from the 'not so smart phone' and more from an actual functioning computer. That also may or may not lead to longer rambles... or maybe just more frequent ones. Fair warning. I'm gonna stick my favorite team and players in here to see if Ed's still reading. I suppose very few of you will be shocked to learn it's the Red Sox. It's been a roller coaster affair. I was a long suffering fan. I was hurt when Yaz popped out in 1978, then devastated when they were one strike away in 1986. I attended the parade in 2004 with 3 million of my closest friends. The last decade or so ha s more than made up for the first threeI followed them. Favorite players: Jim Rice, who would've been my HOM'er when I first joined OBC had I not felt he had a shot at the real Hall - and I was eventually proven right by the BBWAA. After Rice, I liked Wade Boggs.I bought pages of his RC's back in the 80's and still have a few pages of them left. Loved to watch him hit. Current players... hmm. Truth is, I don't have the same enthusiasm for the game as I did when I was 10-20 years old. I might have to hold off on committing an answer, but if I had to pick one, I might say Mookie Betts has the potential to be 'the guy'. How come David Ortiz wasn't even nominated for MVP? Did I already ask that? DH or no, the guy still put up some good numbers and with interleague play, it wasn't like he NEVER saw the field. I thought he got snubbed. I think Mike Rich asked about stamps in the collector recognition levels thread. If they were issued in panels of two or ten, do we count them as one panel or the individual stamps? I counted them individually, as theywere perforated and are commonly found separated (and often stuck into albums - sold separately). Then I realized how would I handle 79-80 basketball(or UV: 1981 scratchoffs)? The cards were also perforated panels of three,but no albums for them. I would count each different player in the set, regardless of being separated or not. Had the 1941 Double Plays been issued this way, I would think differently about a 75 card complete set. I'm hoarding 1971 Kellogg's again. I might put together another set just to sell on eBay. (I'm already at 2/3 complete with a bunch of the stars). I'll put the money in with the Chicago fund. I've decided to put $20 inan envelope every week until the Nationals. That'll give me at least 500 bucks to make the trip. A lot of it will go towards gas and the room, but I'll be there... and who needs to buy cards there anyway? OK, it's getting late and I'm taking the kids to school in the morning. 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I hope you all are doing well in your corner of the world. I've been composing this email in my head for many months now, and the recent "inactive" thread/subject was the catalyst I needed to finally do what probably should have been done years ago. I joined OBC in December 1996. What a group! I don't need to explain how wonderful this group is and has been - you all know. But back then... wow. How do I put into words how much I looked forward to the nightly IRC chats. The .wav files we'd throw at each other, the laughter, the friendships and relationships built. I had a .wav file assigned to my email from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - the one Concorde is hit in the chest with an arrowand as he's keeling over says "message for you, sir". Every time an email arrived in my inbox and I heard the .wav file play, I'd drop whatever it was I was doing so I could read a new ramble or thanks posting. AOL was big back then - my screen name was the somewhat oxymoron-ish LATopps1957. It wasn't too long after I came up with the name that I realized that my beloved Dodgers were, in fact, not in LA in 1957. Whoops! Oxymoron? Heh, more like oxyMORON! I've been JAMO'ed, Fitak Attacked, Stan Hacked and been a recipient of morejaw-dropping, amazing RAOKs than I could possibly recall or recount. I'll never forget the day Jim Wiehe came calling (via snail mail) with an honest-to-gosh Sandy Koufax rookie. Or Steve Rittenberg treating my 1971 footballlist like it was his personal enemy. Or David Kolenda sending me a brick of the ugliest baseball cards ever made (1970 Topps) because of a conversation in the aforementioned IRC chat room - he had a good laugh over my reaction to that! Or the 2003 National in Anaheim where several of you helped track down the last 1957s needed to put that set to bed - Tim Fitak literally finished it off as most of us were getting ready to walk out the door on Sunday. Or the Vegas gatherings at Mike Hair's house, where we'd laugh, eat ribs 'til we were sick, play half rubber, and laugh some more. Or sitting inthe stands at Candlestick Park with Rick Ellison and Mike Hair, who was elected commissioner when he announced he would fix a watered-down MLB by yearly contracting the team with the worst record until the product on the field was consistently good again. Or the doors to homes that have been openedin welcome in various spots on the west coast. And on and on and on. I think we all have these types of stories. Anyway, here's the thing. This group has always been far better for me thatI have been for it. There is healing power in cardboard, and I've done fartoo little healing. Far too many cards coming in, and far too few going back out. Far too much taking and far too little giving. And that, quite frankly, makes me more than a little ashamed. I know the vast majority of the group doesn't keep score, but to a certain extent I do - not on paper or in a digital file, but in my head. So it's time to say goodbye. It's unfair of me to take up roster space and receive cards that are better sent elsewhere. Thank you, OBC, for over 20 years of friendship and shared passion for pictures of men. It has been my deep pleasure to call myself an OBC member. I am proud to have identified myself with this group and it's affinity for well-loved cardboard. I can't possibly begin to express my appreciation for this group, it's place in the collecting community and it's place in my life. And before I forget, a special and heartfelt "thank you" to those who reached out a few years ago to help me walk through a very trying time when my son was grappling with mentalhealth God bless you all. Maybe I'll run into some of you at a future National. ================= To: "'Geordie Calvert'" , Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:13:52 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble From: "Bob Donaldson" You will be missed. You were one of the first OBCers I met outside of Boston. I had to spend two weeks in Turloc CA. My family and two year old were at home. I was nothappy. You were nice enough to come to my hotel and drive me to a ModestoA=E2=99s game. Where I had my first corndog! Don=E2=99t really remember what cardboard was given/received, but it was very nice to see a friendly face so far from home. God Bless! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 6, 2017 9:58 AM To: Ramblings (OBC) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble Hi, gang. I hope you all are doing well in your corner of the world. I've been composing this email in my head for many months now, and the recent "inactive" thread/subject was the catalyst I needed to finally do what probably should have been done years ago. I joined OBC in December 1996. What a group! I don't need to explain how wonderful this group is and has been - you all know. But back then... wow.How do I put into words how much I looked forward to the nightly IRC chats. The .wav files we'd throw at each other, the laughter, the friendships and relationships built. I had a .wav file assigned to my email from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - the one Concorde is hit in the chest with anarrow and as he's keeling over says "message for you, sir". Every time anemail arrived in my inbox and I heard the .wav file play, I'd drop whatever it was I was doing so I could read a new ramble or thanks posting. AOL was big back then - my screen name was the somewhat oxymoron-ish LATopps1957. It wasn't too long after I came up with the name that I realized that my beloved Dodgers were, in fact, not in LA in 1957. Whoops! Oxymoron?Heh, more like oxyMORON! I've been JAMO'ed, Fitak Attacked, Stan Hacked and been a recipient of morejaw-dropping, amazing RAOKs than I could possibly recall or recount. I'llnever forget the day Jim Wiehe came calling (via snail mail) with an honest-to-gosh Sandy Koufax rookie. Or Steve Rittenberg treating my 1971 football list like it was his personal enemy. Or David Kolenda sending me a brick of the ugliest baseball cards ever made (1970 Topps) because of a conversation in the aforementioned IRC chat room - he had a good laugh over my reaction to that! Or the 2003 National in Anaheim where several of you helpedtrack down the last 1957s needed to put that set to bed - Tim Fitak literally finished it off as most of us were getting ready to walk out the door on Sunday. Or the Vegas gatherings at Mike Hair's house, where we'd laugh, eat ribs 'til we were sick, play half rubber, and laugh some more. Or sitting in the stands at Candlestick Park with Rick Ellison and Mike Hair, who was elected commissioner when he announced he would fix a watered-down MLB by yearly contracting the team with the worst record until the product on the field was consistently good again. Or the doors to homes that have beenopened in welcome in various spots on the west coast. And on and on and on. I think we all have these types of stories. Anyway, here's the thing. This group has always been far better for me that I have been for it. There is healing power in cardboard, and I've done far too little healing. Far too many cards coming in, and far too few goingback out. Far too much taking and far too little giving. And that, quitefrankly, makes me more than a little ashamed. I know the vast majority ofthe group doesn't keep score, but to a certain extent I do - not on paper or in a digital file, but in my head. So it's time to say goodbye. It's unfair of me to take up roster space andreceive cards that are better sent elsewhere. Thank you, OBC, for over 20years of friendship and shared passion for pictures of men. It has been my deep pleasure to call myself an OBC member. I am proud to have identified myself with this group and it's affinity for well-loved cardboard. I can't possibly begin to express my appreciation for this group, it's place in the collecting community and it's place in my life. And before I forget, aspecial and heartfelt "thank you" to those who reached out a few years agoto help me walk through a very trying time when my son was grappling with mental health issues. God bless you all. Maybe I'll run into some of you at a future National. ================= To: "'Geordie Calvert'" , Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 07:52:37 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble From: "Grant Rainsley" I wish you well Geordie, and am saddened to see you go. Thanks for taking time out of your B.C. fishing holiday many years ago to devote a few OBC minutes to me for a get-together for lunch at the Flying Beaver at Vancouver International=E2=A6I had a fine time with you, and felt like it was a reunion rather than a first meeting. (Geordie took the opportunity to KILL my =E2=9973 set on that occasion, with a stack of biggies.) Never say never, hopefully you will be back one day=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6. All the best, Grant From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 06, 2017 6:58 AM To: Ramblings (OBC) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble Hi, gang. I hope you all are doing well in your corner of the world. I've been composing this email in my head for many months now, and the recent "inactive" thread/subject was the catalyst I needed to finally do what probably should have been done years ago. I joined OBC in December 1996. What a group! I don't need to explain how wonderful this group is and has been - you all know. But back then... wow.How do I put into words how much I looked forward to the nightly IRC chats. The .wav files we'd throw at each other, the laughter, the friendships and relationships built. I had a .wav file assigned to my email from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - the one Concorde is hit in the chest with anarrow and as he's keeling over says "message for you, sir". Every time anemail arrived in my inbox and I heard the .wav file play, I'd drop whatever it was I was doing so I could read a new ramble or thanks posting. AOL was big back then - my screen name was the somewhat oxymoron-ish LATopps1957. It wasn't too long after I came up with the name that I realized that my beloved Dodgers were, in fact, not in LA in 1957. Whoops! Oxymoron?Heh, more like oxyMORON! I've been JAMO'ed, Fitak Attacked, Stan Hacked and been a recipient of morejaw-dropping, amazing RAOKs than I could possibly recall or recount. I'llnever forget the day Jim Wiehe came calling (via snail mail) with an honest-to-gosh Sandy Koufax rookie. Or Steve Rittenberg treating my 1971 football list like it was his personal enemy. Or David Kolenda sending me a brick of the ugliest baseball cards ever made (1970 Topps) because of a conversation in the aforementioned IRC chat room - he had a good laugh over my reaction to that! Or the 2003 National in Anaheim where several of you helpedtrack down the last 1957s needed to put that set to bed - Tim Fitak literally finished it off as most of us were getting ready to walk out the door on Sunday. Or the Vegas gatherings at Mike Hair's house, where we'd laugh, eat ribs 'til we were sick, play half rubber, and laugh some more. Or sitting in the stands at Candlestick Park with Rick Ellison and Mike Hair, who was elected commissioner when he announced he would fix a watered-down MLB by yearly contracting the team with the worst record until the product on the field was consistently good again. Or the doors to homes that have beenopened in welcome in various spots on the west coast. And on and on and on. I think we all have these types of stories. Anyway, here's the thing. This group has always been far better for me that I have been for it. There is healing power in cardboard, and I've done far too little healing. Far too many cards coming in, and far too few goingback out. Far too much taking and far too little giving. And that, quitefrankly, makes me more than a little ashamed. I know the vast majority ofthe group doesn't keep score, but to a certain extent I do - not on paper or in a digital file, but in my head. So it's time to say goodbye. It's unfair of me to take up roster space andreceive cards that are better sent elsewhere. Thank you, OBC, for over 20years of friendship and shared passion for pictures of men. It has been my deep pleasure to call myself an OBC member. I am proud to have identified myself with this group and it's affinity for well-loved cardboard. I can't possibly begin to express my appreciation for this group, it's place in the collecting community and it's place in my life. And before I forget, aspecial and heartfelt "thank you" to those who reached out a few years agoto help me walk through a very trying time when my son was grappling with mental health issues. God bless you all. Maybe I'll run into some of you at a future National. ================= Date: 06 Jan 2017 08:07:19 -0800 To: Subject: Baltimore/DC Slade Show From: miglasser@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 10:09:51 -0600 To: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble From: OBC Nick P Good luck Geordie! I remember back in the late 90's I stumbled upon your list. Those dodger uni's will always stick in my mind. It wasn't until 2011/2012 when I was inOBC that I again saw your list and I knew it right away. We only met once at the 2015 Chicago national and I fell asleep during one of our conversations. Seeing your dodger collection was extremely impressive. Be well in your endeavors. Perhaps our paths will cross again. Nick Pelletier > On Jan 6, 2017, at 8:58 AM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi, gang. I hope you all are doing well in your corner of the world. > I've been composing this email in my head for many months now, and the recent "inactive" thread/subject was the catalyst I needed to finally do whatprobably should have been done years ago. > I joined OBC in December 1996. What a group! I don't need to explain how wonderful this group is and has been - you all know. But back then... wow. How do I put into words how much I looked forward to the nightly IRC chats. The .wav files we'd throw at each other, the laughter, the friendships and relationships built. I had a .wav file assigned to my email from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - the one Concorde is hit in the chest with an arrow and as he's keeling over says "message for you, sir". Every time an email arrived in my inbox and I heard the .wav file play, I'd drop whatever it was I was doing so I could read a new ramble or thanks posting. > AOL was big back then - my screen name was the somewhat oxymoron-ish LATopps1957. It wasn't too long after I came up with the name that I realized that my beloved Dodgers were, in fact, not in LA in 1957. Whoops! Oxymoron? Heh, more like oxyMORON! > I've been JAMO'ed, Fitak Attacked, Stan Hacked and been a recipient of more jaw-dropping, amazing RAOKs than I could possibly recall or recount. I'll never forget the day Jim Wiehe came calling (via snail mail) with an honest-to-gosh Sandy Koufax rookie. Or Steve Rittenberg treating my 1971 football list like it was his personal enemy. Or David Kolenda sending me a brick of the ugliest baseball cards ever made (1970 Topps) because of a conversation in the aforementioned IRC chat room - he had a good laugh over my reaction to that! Or the 2003 National in Anaheim where several of you helped track down the last 1957s needed to put that set to bed - Tim Fitak literally finished it off as most of us were getting ready to walk out the dooron Sunday. Or the Vegas gatherings at Mike Hair's house, where we'd laugh, eat ribs 'til we were sick, play half rubber, and laugh some more. Or sitting in the stands at Candlestick Park with Rick Ellison and Mike Hair, who was elected commissioner when he announced he would fix a watered-down MLB by yearly contracting the team with the worst record until the product onthe field was consistently good again. Or the doors to homes that have been opened in welcome in various spots on the west coast. And on and on andon. I think we all have these types of stories. > Anyway, here's the thing. This group has always been far better for me that I have been for it. There is healing power in cardboard, and I've donefar too little healing. Far too many cards coming in, and far too few going back out. Far too much taking and far too little giving. And that, quite frankly, makes me more than a little ashamed. I know the vast majority of the group doesn't keep score, but to a certain extent I do - not on paper or in a digital file, but in my head. > So it's time to say goodbye. It's unfair of me to take up roster space and receive cards that are better sent elsewhere. Thank you, OBC, for over 20 years of friendship and shared passion for pictures of men. It has beenmy deep pleasure to call myself an OBC member. I am proud to have identified myself with this group and it's affinity for well-loved cardboard. I can't possibly begin to express my appreciation for this group, it's place in the collecting community and it's place in my life. And before I forget,a special and heartfelt "thank you" to those who reached out a few years ago to help me walk through a very trying time when my son was grappling with mental health issues. > God bless you all. Maybe I'll run into some of you at a future National. > Geordie ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:07:42 -0500 Subject: as Mr Calvert has decided to retire... From: ED SCHOTT my first thought was He should be in our OBC Hall of Fame right? wait ... we aint got one OBCAC vote???????????? ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 14:14:14 -0500 To: ED SCHOTT Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] as Mr Calvert has decided to retire... From: chris tripler What percentage of the baseball writers have to vote "yes" for him to get in? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:07 PM, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Thanks] > my first thought was > He should be in our OBC Hall of Fame right? > wait ... > we aint got one > well?????????????????????????????? > comments???????????? > ideas?????????????? > OBCAC vote???????????? ================= Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:06:26 +0000 To: ED SCHOTT , chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Thanks] as Mr Calvert has decided to retire... From: Joel Freedman Can we invoke the character clause? On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:14 PM chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > What percentage of the baseball writers have to vote "yes" for him to get > in? > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:07 PM, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Thanks] < > OBC-Thanks-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > my first thought was > He should be in our OBC Hall of Fame right? > wait ... > we aint got one > well?????????????????????????????? > comments???????????? > ideas?????????????? > OBCAC vote???????????? ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 22:46:18 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: It's a 60's Waiver Wire Weekend...for Friday it's 1968... From: chris tripler FCFS or approximately so... Waiver wire 1968 Topps Baseball: #s 85, 205, 207, 215, 218, 219, 221, 231, 232, 235, 237, 242, 246, 248, 249, 257, 260, 261, 262, 265, 267, 284, 285, 294, 298, 299, 300, 304, 307, 315, 317, 323, 325, 336, 339, 341, 342, 343, 350, 353, 356 CL cap fully in circle), 380 address please, if you remember... Enjoy, gentlemen! ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:47:12 -0600 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Thanks] as Mr Calvert has decided to retire... From: OBC Nick P Is Pete Rose eligible? What about Shoeless Joe? Nick Pelletier > On Jan 6, 2017, at 3:06 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: > Can we invoke the character clause? > Joel >> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 2:14 PM chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> What percentage of the baseball writers have to vote "yes" for him to get >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jan 6, 2017, at 2:07 PM, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Thanks] >>> my first thought was >>> He should be in our OBC Hall of Fame right? >>> wait ... >>> we aint got one >>> well?????????????????????????????? >>> comments???????????? >>> ideas?????????????? >>> OBCAC vote???????????? ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:07:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A final ramble From: Andy Be well and know you will always be warmly welcomed back, and I hope you return. OBC to me isn't about evening up trades, it's more of a support groupfor middle-aged guys who would rather be sitting around a table sharing beers, taking bp in the batting cage, and just hanging with others who understand this weird compulsion we share collecting little cardboard pictures ofour sports heroes. ================= Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2017 21:09:04 -0500 To: Andy Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A final ramble From: ShoelessWes You said it, Andy. It's been a better organization with people of your character. I thoroughly enjoyed hanging out with you in Chicago, 2015 national. You made me feel better about what i do for a living, and about myself. Especially during a hot time of national unrest. I liked seeing your cabinet examples. Timeless. As for our beer quest, Any other time, i would have been humiliated pickingup a case of busted beer bottles all over the sidewalk in rush hour suburban traffic. But the beer was worth it, and i think God was just telling us to slow down. You're truly humble Geordie, and with a brave spirit. Always welcome in Ohio if you ever come to see the Reds/Dodgers for a national league Hope you keep collecting, and God bless! Wes Shepard > On Jan 6, 2017, at 7:07 PM, Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Geordie, > Be well and know you will always be warmly welcomed back, and I hope you return. OBC to me isn't about evening up trades, it's more of a support group for middle-aged guys who would rather be sitting around a table sharing beers, taking bp in the batting cage, and just hanging with others who understand this weird compulsion we share collecting little cardboard pictures of our sports heroes. > Andy ================= Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2017 21:21:36 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1979 again From: Ken M    At least that's what year I think it was. I was in an accelerated program in school. Me and about two dozen other kids in Everett who had tested out as "academically talented" were plucked out of various elementary schools in the 3rd grade and lumped together in a couple 4th grade classes the following year. So here we were in 1979, after four years of the same teachers, seeing the same faces and taking all the same 4th, 5th 6th and 7th grade classes together. This wasn't like a small town where everyone knows everyone and you grow up with the same few kids your whole life. This was more like "The Real World" on MTV, only they take a bunch of 9 year-olds, throw them all in a room and say, "You guys are the smartest kids in the city, so we're gonna teach you at a higher level for the next eight years." 'A great social experiment' as it was referred to by one of my classmates many years later. Even when we got to middle school, we'd have home room with the rest of the kids in the city, but all our regular classes were with each other.   One of my friends from that time was John Malcolm. We'd often sit next to each other in class because teachers liked sitting us in alphabetical order, so it was him, Ray Martin, then me (and sometimes Ray was in the second 'ATC' class). John and I became great friends, as he liked to do a lot of the same things I was interested in doing. Every day on the way home from 7th grade, I'd stop at his house. It was on the way home, but I'd often stay to play street hockey or football with other neighborhood kids or (when the weather was warmer) some conglomeration of a game resembling baseball/stickball/whiffle ball. Good times.  Oh yeah, John collected cards too. Three sports (I don't think anyone I grew up with ever collected basketball until a couple years after Larry Bird showed up and made the sport relavent. But by then, most of the kids I had grown up with had given up on collecting.) We never really "traded" cards. It was more like what OBC is today. "What do you need? H ere you go." "Here's a big pile of cards. Take what you need for your set... and just keep the rest because I don't want to lug them back home."  I remember one fall/winter day I stopped by his house on the way home. I needed just one more hockey card to finish my (77-78?) set - Ken Dryden. Despite only needing the one card, I bought something along the lines of 15 packs on the way. I was determined to finish the set. Well, I opened them all at his house and we split the gum - and I still struck out on Dryden. John checked his dupes - nope, not there. Then he called a couple of his friends he knew who might have one. Success! The kid down the street delivered it a few minutes later, no strings attached. I don't know who was happier for completing my set.  During the summer, my family spent a lot of time at our cottage in NH. So I didn't get to spend a lot of time with my friends in Everett and even less so with John. In the summer of 1979, John moved to NH - but not anywhe re close to where my family's cottage was...  and to a 13 year-old with no driver's license, it might as well have been the moon. He came back to Everett to visit a couple years later. I gave him a giant stack of 1981 Topps and I bought his collection: 1976 through 1980 sets (or mostly complete sets) for $250. They're still in the same albums and pages he put them in.  I tried to keep in touch after that with an occasional weekend phone call from the pay phone (our cottage didn't even have a phone at that point) or a letter once in a great while (but I was never one for writing letters, go figure). It wasn't the same. It kinda sucked not having one of your best friends around. Eventually we fell out of touch. It wasn't until over 30 years later through facebook that we reconnected. I've also met up with a few other kids from those grade school classes over the last few years. More good times.  Now Geordie Calvert is "moving away". Geordie and I have a lot in common. We bo th joined OBC 20 years ago. I joined just a couple months ahead of him because, well I am a full week older than he is - something he hasn't let me forget via text message on my birthday these past few years. We shared many laughs at the Vegas gatherings and a handful of Nationals. I don't remember sending out or getting a lot of cards, but one exchange sticks out in my memory. Back when we had both first joined the group, I had just purchased a large box of cards from the shop in Boston (my 'dream box'). I remember sending Geordie a couple Dodgers on his list (as he had just started collecting a lot of the older sets, so he still needed some). If I recall, my note apologized for the writing on the back of the Roy Campanella I sent. (It was autographed, but I had no way of judging it's authenticity.) You could tell from his email how glad he was to get those cards that I had purchased for pennies on the dollar. It made me smile. He even called me on the phone to thank me per sonally. At the time, I really didn't know what to say, other than "You're welcome, but you didn't have to call." No one had called to thank me before. (I think Joel Glickman called a couple days later to thank me for whatever it was that I sent him from that box, but I went on vacation after my mass mailing and he got the machine.) A couple weeks (or months?) later, I was getting ready to go to another Ft. Washington show and Geordie called me again. "Don't buy a Nolan Ryan Rookie at the show, because I'm sending you one." I was stunned. Granted, I was still in the dark and collecting EX+ cards. I wasn't about to go spend all my available money at a 3 day show on one card, but... a flippin' Ryan Rookie?!?! In my mailbox!?! For nothing?!? Again, I was at a rare loss for words. Eventually I upgraded the card and sent Geordie's Ryan off to another OBC'er (only without any warning). Still more good times.   Geordie, if you've read this far, THANK YOU. Thank you for your frien dship and thank you for sharing this great ride with me for the last twenty years (and for a piece of cardboard or two along the way). I wish you nothing but continued good times in whatever path life leads you. Please don't be a stranger. Always feel free to remind me of how much older I am than you... but this still kinda sucks. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 00:59:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A final ramble From: Ed Pike Best of luck to you! It has been great having you as part of the group since way back when Ed Pike ================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:07:07 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Waiver Wire Winter Weekend, the late 60's edition From: chris tripler Doing a little winter house cleaning...anyone who needs any, please claim... 1969#s 19, 23, 26, 30, 45, 51, 128, 154, 223, 236, 279, 284, 306, 316, 324, 325, 329, 350, 351, 362, 365, 373, 382, 384, 386, 387, 389, 396, 403, 404, 409, 473, 529 1968#s 205, 207, 218, 219, 221, 231, 232, 235, 237, 242, 246, 248, 249, 260, 261, 262, 265, 267, 284, 285, 298, 300, 307, 317, 323, 325, 339, 342, 343, 350, 353, 356 CL cap fully in circle), 380 1967#s 17, 24, 27, 39, 74, 104, 117, 155, 190, 196, 208, 212, 224, 272, 273, 274, 281, 286, 316, 324, 352, 389, 390, 395, 397, 401, 410, 424, 425, 431, 435, 446, 451, 458, 493, 496, 530 ================= Date: Sat, 07 Jan 2017 15:07:02 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Trading for Red's Red Heart From: Matthew Glidden I'm close to finishing my Red Heart set and "Red" himself is one of the last ones. Chandy has one for sale now at a relatively low price, but thought I'd check here first -- anyone have a Shoendienst Red Heart for ================= Date: 07 Jan 2017 09:10:16 -0800 To: Subject: Re: A final ramble From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: 07 Jan 2017 12:33:30 -0800 To: Subject: Re: unofficial OBC favorite player survey From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 12:45:32 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1960 LEAF BASEBALL HIGH NUMBER LOT <8 CARDS> *VERY RARE* From: Rick Has anyone bid on this lot I only need two cards # 80-122. Figured it wouldgo for at least $6 a card $42+shipping. Any thoughts,anyone want to go in on it or how much it will go for? Rick View item: 1960 LEAF BASEBALL HIGH NUMBER LOT <8 CARDS> *VERY RARE* End Time: Jan 7, 2017, 8:21:36 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 16:44:19 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: schmidt/Cey rookie available From: biggies@aol.com I picked up a '73 Scmidt/Cey/Hilton (John doesn't get many mentions) at a show last week and would be happy to part with it. I would call it exmt, pretty sharp. Let me know if interested. Thanks and happy new year, Bob bannon ================= Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2017 23:27:54 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 LEAF BASEBALL HIGH NUMBER LOT <8 CARDS> From: MARK TALBOT MIME-Version: 1.0 Did anybody from OBC win this lot? I bid on it and got sniped - I only need 2 cards to complete the set and #106 Bilko - is one of them and it is in this lot. If someone did win it and would be willing to part with this card I have other `60 Leaf HI numbers that I would certainly swap out if you would be so kind. Please let me know??? REGARDS ----------------------------- MARK > On January 7, 2017 at 3:45 PM "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Has anyone bid on this lot I only need two cards # 80-122. Figured itwould go for at least $6 a card $42+shipping. Any thoughts,anyone want to go in on it or how much it will go for? Rick > View item: > 1960 LEAF BASEBALL HIGH NUMBER LOT <8 CARDS> *VERY RARE* http://pages.ebay.com/link/?navitem.view&altweb&id122293685467&globalIDEBAY= > End Time: Jan 7, 2017, 8:21:36 PM PST > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 01:33:47 -0800 To: b_betza@yahoo.com, yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A final ramble From: Sean Schuettpelz I am somewhat a new member and barely hit a Year as an OBC member and I am way behind on return fire. This group is so awesome it's difficult to keep up at times. I definitely feel the same as you when it comes to receiving more than what I have sent. This what makes this group of cardboard lovers so awesome and I definitely do not keep count of what is sent back and forth. I don't think anyone is thinking that you have not contributed enough and I hope you decide to stay versus leaving. However, I wish you the best either way and hope you stay in touch with thegroup should you leave. We will miss you and would receive you back with open Take Care. Sean Schuettpelz ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 12:52:42 -0500 Subject: 2017 Annual Memebership Poll UPDATE From: Don Rice Hey guys... After the first round of polling made thru the Announcements server, I have received responses from 85 active members. Thank you! That leaves FIFTY active members who were not early respondents. If your name is on the following list, don't be a SLACKER! :-) *Please respond to me, **Don Rice, at **dkrice@twc.com ***stating your desire to 1) stay active in OBC, 2) go inactive, or 3) quit altogether. Thanks, Don *George Altemose *George.altemose3@gmail.com *Bob Bannon * biggies@aol.com *Gary Beard * garybeardbbcards@gmail.com *Tom Billing * billingtw@sbcglobal.net *Steve Carter * yompkee@hotmail.com *Dan Cipra * xcip@aol.com *James Cooper * coop951@yahoo.com *Bob Corvello * friar4@aol.com *Nick Covello * nickcov@snip.net *Al Cummings * alcattle@hotmail.com *Jeff Delott * jdelott@aim.com *Michael Dillon * mp1067@hotmail.com *Bob Donaldson * obcbobd@gmail.com *Alvin Edwards * eltoro20122012@gmail.com *Gord Ellis * ellisgl@interlynx.net *Jake Elwell * jelwell8@earthlink.net *Dave Fallen * david.fallen@comcast.net *Rob Fitts * robfitts@optimum.net *Joel Glickman * glk@aol.com *Kent Goto * kwg0@aol.com *Steve Hitzeman * hitzema@indiana.edu *Mark Holland * mholland28412@ec.rr.com *Rick Johnson * ricktopps@aol.com *Earl Kilbourn * originaleek1@att.net *John Leroux * trufan999@aol.com *Ray Luurs * luurscjg@aol.com *Rick Lyons * rick.lyons22@yahoo.com *Sean McGowan * seanobc@gmail.com *John McLaughlin * jedward@aol.com *Howard Morgan * hmorgan707@gmail.com *Mike Mroz * mfmroz1718@gmail.com *Jeffrey and Michael Newman * michaelnewman119@gmail.com *Chuck Paris * chuckparis@comcast.net *Ed Pike * ehpiii@aol.com *Ken Pillion * welfar03@yahoo.com *Dave Purdham * dmpurd@comcast.net *Steve Rittenberg * srittenberg@gmail.com *Sean Schuettpelz * schuettpelzse@hotmail.com *Aaron Shirley * uthminsta@hotmail.com *Jim Silva * jfsilva25@comcast.net *Jeff Sinclair * suzguy11@hotmail.com *Mark Talbot * talbot1@comcast.net *Sam Taylor * drsam9795@gmail.com *T.J. Valacak * tvalacak@comcast.net *Father Pat Wattigny * seventytwop@hotmail.com *Brandon Wax * bwax15@yahoo.com *Randy Welk * rjsfgmv@aol.com *Jeff Whitworth * jwhitworth30@yahoo.com *Matt Yudt * yudts5@verizon.net *Larry Zurawski * lwzurawski@comcast.net ================= Date: 08 Jan 2017 11:33:30 -0800 To: Subject: Some waivers today! From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 16:38:54 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Can't tell you how sad this makes me. I think this is a perfect example of going inactive as opposed to leaving OBC. My hope is that you don't leave. Keep your lists up and I need the link to your Dodger collection. I have used that in the past as my baseline in my own collection. You do realize you are one of the "old men" of OBC. You saw when we started the OBC-AC, you saw the good, the bad, and the ugly. AOL was our main form of communication for a while, after we left Prodigy. I really don't think about the scales being even-- remember we are founded on "what goes around, comes around". There have been many times that there have been periods I have fallen way behind, times when I got to catch up some. I think we are all mostly in agreement that we feel we are behind somewhere along the line. Some you hit are ahead, some you can't hit for the life of you (Hello Geno lol). How many of us have been JAMO'd and still owe Jim Montgomery? You will forever have a special place in my collection history: 1960 Topps Master Set - Completed by Geordie Calvert at Chicago National 8/2/15 with Eddie Mathews Grey Back! I will owe you forever for that. I remember us picking through Kurt's table and you picked that one up for me. Personally, I don't want you to go. would like you to stop composing emails in your head, take a look at your cards and think about how you ARE a part of the greatest collecting group in the history of cardboard. We have all made donations to that cause, however big or small. Stick around for my 25th year in OBC. I want you to be part of the celebration. At the end of the year, toss it around in your head then decide. (I'll have a new email to write to keep you here another year at that time LOL). Activity is big and small and comes in waves. You've always contributed to the betterment of OBC and I want that to continue. This isn't MLB, we don't cap the roster (although you do remember a time when we did, until we sorted our own house). There is no union or ownership to tell you how to handle the cards. You are part of our roster and therefore part of our team. You have contributed, and because of that, youalways get a world series share. And this group goes to the world series every year because of players like you. I'm looking forward to another National, where we can pick through Kurt's table and pick out a few gems. So how about you delete that digital file in your head. We are all here in support of each other. We have gone way past cardboard. At times I think we only use it as an excuse to hang out with each other here. As an original member of the OBC-AC, I move to suspend your application to leave OBC :-). I think there will be more than a few seconds on this one... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/6/2017 9:58:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi, gang. I hope you all are doing well in your corner of the world. I've been composing this email in my head for many months now, and the recent "inactive" thread/subject was the catalyst I needed to finally do what probably should have been done years ago. I joined OBC in December 1996. What a group! I don't need to explain how wonderful this group is and has been - you all know. But back then... wow. How do I put into words how much I looked forward to the nightly IRC chats. The .wav files we'd throw at each other, the laughter, the friendships and relationships built. I had a .wav file assigned to my email from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - the one Concorde is hit in the chest with an arrow and as he's keeling over says "message for you, sir". Every time an email arrived in my inbox and I hea rd the .wav file play, I'd drop whatever it was I was doing so I could read a new ramble or thanks posting. AOL was big back then - my screen name was the somewhat oxymoron-ish LATopps1957. It wasn't too long after I came up with the name that I realized that my beloved Dodgers were, in fact, not in LA in 1957. Whoops! Oxymoron? Heh, more like oxyMORON! I've been JAMO'ed, Fitak Attacked, Stan Hacked and been a recipient of more jaw-dropping, amazing RAOKs than I could possibly recall or recount. I'll never forget the day Jim Wiehe came calling (via snail mail) with an honest-to-gosh Sandy Koufax rookie. Or Steve Rittenberg treating my 1971 football list like it was his personal enemy. Or David Kolenda sending mea brick of the ugliest baseball cards ever made (1970 Topps) because of a conversation in the aforementioned IRC chat room - he had a good laugh over reaction to that! Or the 2003 National in Anaheim where several of you helped track down the last 1957s needed to put that set to bed - Tim Fitak literally finished it off as most of us were getting ready to walk out thedoor on Sunday. Or the Vegas gatherings at Mike Hair's house, where we'd laugh, eat ribs 'til we were sick, play half rubber, and laugh some more. Or sitting in the stands at Candlestick Park with Rick Ellison and Mike Hair,who was elected commissioner when he announced he would fix a watered-down MLB by yearly contracting the team with the worst record until the product on the field was consistently good again. Or the doors to homes that have been opened in welcome in various spots on the west coast. And on and on and on. I think we all have these types of stories. Anyway, here's the thing. This group has always been far better for me that I have been for it. There is healing power in cardboard, and I've done far too little healing. Far too many cards coming in, and far too few going back out. Far too much taking and far too little giving. And that, quite frankly, makes me more than a little ashamed. I know the vast majority of the group doesn't keep score, but to a certain extent I do - not on paper or in a digital file, but in my head. So it's time to say goodbye. It's unfair of me to take up roster space and receive cards that are better sent elsewhere. Thank you, OBC, for over 20 years of friendship and shared passion for pictures of men. It has been my deep pleasure to call myself an OBC member. I am proud to have identified myself with this group and it's affinity for well-loved cardboard. can't possibly begin to express my appreciation for this group, it's placein the collecting community and it's place in my life. And before I forget, a special and heartfelt "thank you" to those who reached out a few years ago to help me walk through a very trying time when my son was grappling with mental health issues. God bless you all. Maybe I'll run into some of you at a future National. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:59:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble From: richard dingman Here, here! Well said, Sal. I'm still relatively new to OBC at only 8 years or so, but appreciate and agree with Sal's very well-stated letter. In this time of partisanship and conflicts in the world, OBC shines as a great example of how diverse people can still interact for mutual benefit. Participation waxes and wanes. Life gets in the way of collecting cardboard, and life is important. No rush to decide anything with finality in thisinstance. Best wishes, Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 8, 2017 4:38 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A final ramble Can't tell you how sad this makes me. I think this is a perfect example of going inactive as opposed to leaving OBC. My hope is that you don't leave. Keep your lists up and I need the link to your Dodger collection. I have used that in the past as my baseline in my own collection. You do realize youare one of the "old men" of OBC. You saw when we started the OBC-AC, you saw the good, the bad, and the ugly. AOL was our main form of communication for a while, after we left Prodigy. I really don't think about the scales being even-- remember we are founded on "what goes around, comes around". There have been many times that there have been periods I have fallen way behind, times when I got to catch up some. I think we are all mostly in agreement that we feel we are behind somewhere along the line. Some you hit and are ahead, some you can't hit for the life of you (Hello Geno lol). How manyof us have been JAMO'd and still owe Jim Montgomery? You will forever have a special place in my collection history: 1960 Topps Master Set - Completed by Geordie Calvert at Chicago National 8/2/15 with Eddie Mathews Grey Back! I will owe you forever for that. I remember us picking through Kurt's tableand you picked that one up for me. Personally, I don't want you to go. I would like you to stop composing emails in your head, take a look at your cards and think about how you ARE a part of the greatest collecting group in the history of cardboard. We have all made donations to that cause, howeverbig or small. Stick around for my 25th year in OBC. I want you to be a part of the celebration. At the end of the year, toss it around in your head then decide. (I'll have a new email to write to keep you here another year at that time LOL). Activity is big and small and comes in waves. You've always contributed to the betterment of OBC and I want that to continue. This isn't MLB, we don't cap the roster (although you do remember a time when we did, until we sorted our own house). There is no union or ownership to tell you how to handle the cards. You are part of our roster and therefore part of our team. You have contributed, and because of that, you always get a world series share. And this group goes to the world series every yearbecause of players like you. I'm looking forward to another National, where we can pick through Kurt's table and pick out a few gems. So how about you delete that digital file in your head. We are all here in support of each other. We have gone way past cardboard. At times I think weonly use it as an excuse to hang out with each other here. As an original member of the OBC-AC, I move to suspend your application to leave OBC :-). I think there will be more than a few seconds on this one... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/6/2017 9:58:05 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Hi, gang. I hope you all are doing well in your corner of the world. I've been composing this email in my head for many months now, and the recent "inactive" thread/subject was the catalyst I needed to finally do what probably should have been done years ago. I joined OBC in December 1996. What a group! I don't need to explain how wonderful this group is and has been - you all know. But back then... wow.How do I put into words how much I looked forward to the nightly IRC chats. The .wav files we'd throw at each other, the laughter, the friendships and relationships built. I had a .wav file assigned to my email from "Monty Python and the Holy Grail" - the one Concorde is hit in the chest with anarrow and as he's keeling over says "message for you, sir". Every time anemail arrived in my inbox and I hea rd the .wav file play, I'd drop whatever it was I was doing so I could read a new ramble or thanks posting. AOL was big back then - my screen name was the somewhat oxymoron-ish LATopps1957. It wasn't too long after I came up with the name that I realized that my beloved Dodgers were, in fact, not in LA in 1957. Whoops! Oxymoron?Heh, more like oxyMORON! I've been JAMO'ed, Fitak Attacked, Stan Hacked and been a recipient of morejaw-dropping, amazing RAOKs than I could possibly recall or recount. I'llnever forget the day Jim Wiehe came calling (via snail mail) with an honest-to-gosh Sandy Koufax rookie. Or Steve Rittenberg treating my 1971 football list like it was his personal enemy. Or David Kolenda sending me a brick of the ugliest baseball cards ever made (1970 Topps) because of a conversation in the aforementioned IRC chat room - he had a good laugh over my reaction to that! Or the 2003 National in Anaheim where several of you helpedtrack down the last 1957s needed to put that set to bed - Tim Fitak literally finished it off as most of us were getting ready to walk out the door on Sunday. Or the Vegas gatherings at Mike Hair's house, where we'd laugh, eat ribs 'til we were sick, play half rubber, and laugh some more. Or sitting in the stands at Candlestick Park with Rick Ellison and Mike Hair, who was elected commissioner when he announced he would fix a watered-down MLB by yearly contracting the team with the worst record until the product on the field was consistently good again. Or the doors to homes that have beenopened in welcome in various spots on the west coast. And on and on and on. I think we all have these types of stories. Anyway, here's the thing. This group has always been far better for me that I have been for it. There is healing power in cardboard, and I've done far too little healing. Far too many cards coming in, and far too few goingback out. Far too much taking and far too little giving. And that, quitefrankly, makes me more than a little ashamed. I know the vast majority ofthe group doesn't keep score, but to a certain extent I do - not on paper or in a digital file, but in my head. So it's time to say goodbye. It's unfair of me to take up roster space andreceive cards that are better sent elsewhere. Thank you, OBC, for over 20years of friendship and shared passion for pictures of men. It has been my deep pleasure to call myself an OBC member. I am proud to have identified myself with this group and it's affinity for well-loved cardboard. I can't possibly begin to express my appreciation for this group, it's place in the collecting community and it's place in my life. And before I forget, aspecial and heartfelt "thank you" to those who reached out a few years agoto help me walk through a very trying time when my son was grappling with mental health issues. God bless you all. Maybe I'll run into some of you at a future National. ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 17:24:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s From: ChicoD1@aol.com Need a little guidance here. The 4-in-1s form a puzzle on the back. Does anyone know here (or if they have seen on Net54) a checklist of the back VARIATIONS? I was looking at George's book and it references the Old Cardboard magazine, Issue #2, but I can't find a copy of it that I can see. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 I think I just increased my Dodger collection again :-( ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 14:48:04 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s From: Larry Tipton Sal I think this is a master checklist. Many cards come with different numbered puzzle backs. http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1935-goudey-master/composition/5495 Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 17:55:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s From: ChicoD1@aol.com May want to save this for the next revision of the variation checklist Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/8/2017 5:48:16 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, larrytipton@windstream.net writes: http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1935-goudey-mast ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 02:47:40 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1960 Fleer #80 From: Rob Bessette Have you guys ever even seen one of these cards? Does anyone in the group own one? I know the history of the card (pulled from production - three front variations all with Pepper Martin on the back). It seems like Fleer desperately tried to knock off Topps but really struggled with the player contracts. 1959 Fleer #68 and 1960 Fleer #80 were pretty messy. Then in 63 they tried being tricky with cookies insteadof gum, but got shot down pretty quickly by the courts. ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 23:13:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Greetings! From: Anson Whaley Greetings, all - Just wanted to drop a quick line to introduce myself as a new member to OBC. As quick as it can be, anyway - I am a writer by nature and tend to ramble on. Just for some context, I have been a card collector for nearly 30 years now. I got into vintage about 20 years ago and these days focus mostly on pre-war and other vintage issues. I consider myself mostly a set collector but also a pre-war type collector of sorts. Most recently, I've been focusing on completing my T207 set, pre-war type card collecting, collecting old advertising/trade cards, and also beginning several other vintage sets - some of which I've completed previously. My most recent card 'achievements' have been completing the T205 and T206 (minus the Big 4) sets over the past two years. As I said, I do quite a bit of writing. In the past few months, I created a new website at *www.prewarcards.com *, focusing on specific sets, pre-war card news, etc. Because it's new, most of the set reviews are pretty skimpy. But it will be much more full in a few months, so I encourage you to keep checking back if pre-war stuff is your thing. I am also a regular contributor to Sports Collectors Daily. And as if that wasn't enough, for the past seven years, I have managed a media-credentialed blog about my Alma Mater's sports teams, the Pittsburgh Panthers (*www.cardiachill.com *). Also, my 'regular' job is in marketing for the parent firm of several construction companies here in Pittsburgh. In other words, I spend way too much time at a computer. Like most of you, I have few requirements when it comes to trading cards. Almost all of my cards are in low-grade condition and the few higher grade cards I get mostly are traded/sold for lower grade ones so I can purchase more low-grade ones. That's all for now. I'll be posting a want list soon and feel free to email me with any questions or just to chat in general. I'm always up for a good discussion on pre-war stuff especially. And not to make this an E-Harmony commercial, but outside of cards and Pitt, I'm also into photography, learning Spanish, heavily involved in my church, and love traveling to Mexico with my wife. I've also recently started as an ESL (English as Second Language) tutor, so I'm looking forward to that. I say all that to let you know that if there's ever a delay in email response, it's mostly because I have a pretty full plate 99% of the time. But I'm mostly pretty timely in responding just because there's almost always a computer in reach. Thanks to those that have reached out to me already. You guys are incredible and I'm very excited to be a part of the group. Also a special thanks to my sponsors and George Vrechek, who I've been in communication with for a while and really was the one who encouraged me to join. ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 23:30:06 -0500 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Greetings! From: Yahoo Just wondering do you like long walks on the beach. Rainbows and beautiful sunsets also!?. Welcome to the family. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2017, at 23:13, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Greetings, all - > Just wanted to drop a quick line to introduce myself as a new member to OBC. As quick as it can be, anyway - I am a writer by nature and tend to ramble > Just for some context, I have been a card collector for nearly 30 years now. I got into vintage about 20 years ago and these days focus mostly on pre-war and other vintage issues. I consider myself mostly a set collector but also a pre-war type collector of sorts. Most recently, I've been focusingon completing my T207 set, pre-war type card collecting, collecting old advertising/trade cards, and also beginning several other vintage sets - someof which I've completed previously. My most recent card 'achievements' have been completing the T205 and T206 (minus the Big 4) sets over the past two > As I said, I do quite a bit of writing. In the past few months, I createda new website at www.prewarcards.com, focusing on specific sets, pre-war card news, etc. Because it's new, most of the set reviews are pretty skimpy.But it will be much more full in a few months, so I encourage you to keep checking back if pre-war stuff is your thing. > I am also a regular contributor to Sports Collectors Daily. And as if that wasn't enough, for the past seven years, I have managed a media-credentialed blog about my Alma Mater's sports teams, the Pittsburgh Panthers (www.cardiachill.com). Also, my 'regular' job is in marketing for the parent firmof several construction companies here in Pittsburgh. In other words, I spend way too much time at a computer. > Like most of you, I have few requirements when it comes to trading cards.Almost all of my cards are in low-grade condition and the few higher gradecards I get mostly are traded/sold for lower grade ones so I can purchase more low-grade ones. > That's all for now. I'll be posting a want list soon and feel free to email me with any questions or just to chat in general. I'm always up for a good discussion on pre-war stuff especially. > And not to make this an E-Harmony commercial, but outside of cards and Pitt, I'm also into photography, learning Spanish, heavily involved in my church, and love traveling to Mexico with my wife. I've also recently started as an ESL (English as Second Language) tutor, so I'm looking forward to that. I say all that to let you know that if there's ever a delay in email response, it's mostly because I have a pretty full plate 99% of the time. But I'm mostly pretty timely in responding just because there's almost always acomputer in reach. > Thanks to those that have reached out to me already. You guys are incredible and I'm very excited to be a part of the group. Also a special thanks to my sponsors and George Vrechek, who I've been in communication with for awhile and really was the one who encouraged me to join. > Cheers, > Anson ================= To: Anson Whaley Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 04:49:04 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Greetings! From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 22:59:55 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Do these exist From: OBC Nick P Every now and then one of these posts comes around the group, this time it's my turn to post. Has anybody ever seen 1965 topps hockey #'s 124, 125, 126 and 128.....the team cards for the Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, and Boston. I haven't even seen one of these on eBay in a while. Has anybody seen these? Do they exist? Am I looking for figments of my imagination? Nick Pelletier ================= To: "'Anson Whaley'" , Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:49:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Greetings! From: "Grant Rainsley" Hey my Brothers=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.I think we are going to like this guy! Welcome Anson=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 8:13 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Greetings! Greetings, all - Just wanted to drop a quick line to introduce myself as a new member to OBC. As quick as it can be, anyway - I am a writer by nature and tend to ramble Just for some context, I have been a card collector for nearly 30 years now. I got into vintage about 20 years ago and these days focus mostly on pre-war and other vintage issues. I consider myself mostly a set collector but also a pre-war type collector of sorts. Most recently, I've been focusing on completing my T207 set, pre-war type card collecting, collecting old advertising/trade cards, and also beginning several other vintage sets - some of which I've completed previously. My most recent card 'achievements' have been completing the T205 and T206 (minus the Big 4) sets over the past two years. As I said, I do quite a bit of writing. In the past few months, I created anew website at www.prewarcards.com, focusing on specific sets, pre-war card news, etc. Because it's new, most of the set reviews are pretty skimpy. But it will be much more full in a few months, so I encourage you to keep checking back if pre-war stuff is your thing. I am also a regular contributor to Sports Collectors Daily. And as if that wasn't enough, for the past seven years, I have managed a media-credentialed blog about my Alma Mater's sports teams, the Pittsburgh Panthers (www.cardiachill.com). Also, my 'regular' job is in marketing for the parent firm of several construction companies here in Pittsburgh. In other words, I spend way too much time at a computer. Like most of you, I have few requirements when it comes to trading cards. Almost all of my cards are in low-grade condition and the few higher grade cards I get mostly are traded/sold for lower grade ones so I can purchase more low-grade ones. That's all for now. I'll be posting a want list soon and feel free to emailme with any questions or just to chat in general. I'm always up for a gooddiscussion on pre-war stuff especially. And not to make this an E-Harmony commercial, but outside of cards and Pitt, I'm also into photography, learning Spanish, heavily involved in my church, and love traveling to Mexico with my wife. I've also recently started asan ESL (English as Second Language) tutor, so I'm looking forward to that.I say all that to let you know that if there's ever a delay in email response, it's mostly because I have a pretty full plate 99% of the time. But I'm mostly pretty timely in responding just because there's almost always a computer in reach. Thanks to those that have reached out to me already. You guys are incredible and I'm very excited to be a part of the group. Also a special thanks to my sponsors and George Vrechek, who I've been in communication with for a while and really was the one who encouraged me to join. ================= To: Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:55:17 -0800 Subject: Re: 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s From: "George Vrechek" Sal et al, I think my book has the master list of 1935 4-1 Goudeys. I just formatted it in a manner that I thought was logical. You could look at the set as comprised of the backs and that a few of the puzzles have different fronts. Anyway, I think it is all there, but let me know, if you think I missed ================= To: "'OBC Nick P'" , Date: Sun, 8 Jan 2017 21:56:20 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Do these exist From: "Grant Rainsley" Yes indeed, they exist, I have 3 of them..but...in my humble opinion, they are SSP's, (Super SP's) and totally undervalued if and when you see them come up. If they were just a bit more frequent in their appearances, they would be my first choice to quietly corner the market, as that '64 Curt Flood guy is trying to do... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2017 9:00 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Do these exist Every now and then one of these posts comes around the group, this time it's my turn to post. Has anybody ever seen 1965 topps hockey #'s 124, 125, 126 and 128.....the team cards for the Chicago, Detroit, Montreal, and Boston. I haven't even seen one of these on eBay in a while. Has anybody seen these? Do they exist? Am I looking for figments of my Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 05:43:45 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Do these exist? From: Larry Tipton Yes they exist and they obviously are quite tough. Look at the checklist card #121 they are not even listed on the checklist card! Gordie Howe scored goal #600 on 11/27/65 I wonder did Topps print these last seven cards to capture or take advantage of that feat? From the PSA site: "Card #122 celebrates Gordie Howe becoming the first NHL player to tally 600 career goals, while cards #123 to #128 are team cards which showcase black-and-white team photos on their fronts. Four of the team cards list the players by row followed by a short franchise history on their backs, but the Red Wings card offers only the players' last names (not which row they're in) at the top and the Montreal card presents wording in French and English." Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 09 Jan 2017 07:02:45 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Greetings! From: Mountaineer1999@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:03:01 -0500 To: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer #80 From: Joel Freedman Rob, I have never seen any of them, but I bought (by accident) three reprints on ebay, thinking I was buying the real thing! On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 9:47 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Have you guys ever even seen one of these cards? Does anyone in the group > own one? I know the history of the card (pulled from production - three > front variations all with Pepper Martin on the back). > It seems like Fleer desperately tried to knock off Topps but really > struggled with the player contracts. 1959 Fleer #68 and 1960 Fleer #80 > were pretty messy. Then in 63 they tried being tricky with cookies instead > of gum, but got shot down pretty quickly by the courts. ================= Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 13:33:10 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer #80 From: Ken M Rob,  There's a graded one on eBay for $5k BIN if you're interested. I don't recall if I've seen one at the museum (707's) before or not. I wan't to say I think he had all three versions at one time (a loong time ago) in the 1500-2500 range, but that was out of my price range, so I never bought one. I don't recall anyone in the group ever bragging about getting one (which is probably something I would've done at least once if I ever got one). Ken MLook at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/121561146252 Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Jan 8, 2017 9:48 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer #80 Have you guys ever even seen one of these cards? Does anyone in the group own one?  I know the history of the card (pulled from production - three front variations all with Pepper Martin on the back). It seems like Fleer desperately tried to knock off Topps but really struggled with the player contracts.  1959 Fleer #68 and 1960 Fleer #80 were pretty messy.  Then in 63 they tried being tricky with cookies instead of gum, but got shot down pretty quickly by the courts. ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 20:26:56 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? From: chris tripler I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 15:33:04 -0500 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: Joel Freedman in my collection, the main set is always last......... On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:26 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm > collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. > Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal > preference? Veterans, help?!?! > Trip ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 12:34:49 -0800 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? From: John Stamper For me it's always main set, than player set, followed by Team set. John Stamper > On Jan 9, 2017, at 12:26 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. > Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! > Trip ================= To: OBC Ramblings , chris tripler Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 20:40:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: Mac Wubben When I get one, I take it off the player wantlist...when I get a second I take it off of the set wantlist. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 3:26 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! ================= Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 14:41:09 -0600 To: chris tripler , OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: mzentko ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:09:31 -0500 (EST) To: Anson Whaley Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Greetings! From: stephen sankner Content-Disposition: inline Hello Anson, Welcome to OBC! I subcribe to Sports Collector's Daily and recognized your name, I also enjoy your articles. I have been a member of OBC since March-2016 and have enjoyed every minute of it. It is a terrific group of people as you will soon find out. Steve Sankner On Sun, Jan 08, 2017 at 11:13 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Greetings, all - Just wanted to drop a quick line to introduce myself as a new member to OBC. As quick as it can be, anyway - I am a writer by nature and tend to ramble on. Just for some context, I have been a card collector for nearly 30 years now. I got into vintage about 20 years ago and these days focus mostly on pre-war and other vintage issues. I consider myself mostly a set collector but also a pre-war type collector of sorts. Most recently, I've been focusing on completing my T207 set, pre-war type card collecting, collecting old advertising/trade cards, and also beginning several other vintage sets - some of which I've completed previously. My most recent card 'achievements' have been completing the T205 and T206 (minus the Big 4) sets over the past two years. As I said, I do quite a bit of writing. In the past few months, I created a new website at www.prewarcards.com , focusing on specific sets, pre-war card news, etc. Because it's new, most of the set reviews are pretty skimpy. But it will be much more full in a few months, so I encourage you to keep checking back if pre-war stuff is your thing. I am also a regular contributor to Sports Collectors Daily. And as if that wasn't enough, for the past seven years, I have managed a media-credentialed blog about my Alma Mater's sports teams, the Pittsburgh Panthers (www.cardiachill.com ). Also, my 'regular' job is in marketing for the parent firm of several construction companies here in Pittsburgh. In other words, I spend way too much time at a computer. Like most of you, I have few requirements when it comes to trading cards. Almost all of my cards are in low-grade condition and the few higher grade cards I get mostly are traded/sold for lower grade ones so I can purchase more low-grade ones. That's all for now. I'll be posting a want list soon and feel free to email me with any questions or just to chat in general. I'm always up for a good discussion on pre-war stuff especially. And not to make this an E-Harmony commercial, but outside of cards and Pitt, I'm also into photography, learning Spanish, heavily involved in my church, and love traveling to Mexico with my wife. I've also recently started as an ESL (English as Second Language) tutor, so I'm looking forward to that. I say all that to let you know that if there's ever a delay in email response, it's mostly because I have a pretty full plate 99% of the time. But I'm mostly pretty timely in responding just because there's almost always a computer in reach. Thanks to those that have reached out to me already. You guys are incredible and I'm very excited to be a part of the group. Also a special thanks to my sponsors and George Vrechek, who I've been in communication with for a while and really was the one who encouraged me to join. ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 16:20:59 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: "Samuel E. Taylor" This thread has surprised me. I am a set collector, and presumed most OBCers are as well. I wouldn't even think of putting a card in the player, or team binder until I had the set binder done. In fact, even if I still had a "HAVE" list and there are holes all over the set, I'd still put the player in that binder. Follow up question... Where do you put the better conditioned card? Sam Taylor On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:48 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have this problem with my 1971 Topps FB and Jim Kiick collection. > I have started 18 sets into binders, I have enough cards to start a few > more but I need more binders and pages to do more. > But I have ~45 more Jim Kiick cards for these sets. Do I say that I have > started 63 sets or just say that I have 18 or maybe 20 in queue? > Why don't "normal" people have these wrenching decisions? > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *chris tripler, OBC Ramblings > *Sent: *January 9, 2017 at 12:43 PM > *Subject: *RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a > manufactured crisis? > Your collection your rules! > I would give higher priority to the collection that is most further along. > Mark Z > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message -------- > From: "chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 1/9/2017 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a > manufactured crisis? > I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm > collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. > Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal > preference? Veterans, help?!?! > Trip Sam Taylor ================= Date: Mon, 09 Jan 2017 16:46:30 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: Ken M If it were me, I would have at least one (but probably two) nine set binder projects. This would cut down on the number of binders used (on a smaller set like 1971 Topps FB anyway). Nine sets would fit into three binders if you put the cards in back to back (a couple more if you didn't. On the ones I did, I turned the center card around so you could see the back). Then I would just put together pages of the extra Jim Kiick cards, because they look cool like that - and if I decided to start a 19th (and 20th set, etc.), I could pull a card from there for the set, which would have priority (and the nicer cards to answer Sam). Luckily I'm just a very simple man collecting simple sets and no player or team sets. ;-) Ken M Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Jan 9, 2017 3:48 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;chris tripler;mzentko;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? I have this problem with my 1971 Topps FB and Jim Kiick collection. I have started 18 sets into binders, I have enough cards to start a few more but I need more binders and pages to do more. But I have ~45 more Jim Kiick cards for these sets. Do I say that I have started 63 sets or just say that I have 18 or maybe 20 in queue? Why don't "normal" people have these wrenching decisions? OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: chris tripler, OBC Ramblings Sent: January 9, 2017 at 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis?   Your collection your rules!  I would give higher priority to the collection that is most further along. Mark Z  Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: "chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 1/9/2017 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis?   I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together.  Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 13:49:58 -0800 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? From: Geordie Calvert That's a good question, Sam. I was a team collector when I joined OBC. When I decided to collect sets, Ialways made sure the Dodgers sets were filled first. The cards that filledthose slots have remained there. I've no doubt that I have better conditioned Dodgers cards in my main sets, and that's where they will stay. > On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:20 PM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > This thread has surprised me. > I am a set collector, and presumed most OBCers are as well. I wouldn't even think of putting a card in the player, or team binder until I had the set binder done. In fact, even if I still had a "HAVE" list and there are holes all over the set, I'd still put the player in that binder. > Follow up question... Where do you put the better conditioned card? > Sam Taylor >> On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:48 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> I have this problem with my 1971 Topps FB and Jim Kiick collection. >> I have started 18 sets into binders, I have enough cards to start a few more but I need more binders and pages to do more. >> But I have ~45 more Jim Kiick cards for these sets. Do I say that I havestarted 63 sets or just say that I have 18 or maybe 20 in queue? >> Why don't "normal" people have these wrenching decisions? >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: chris tripler, OBC Ramblings >> Sent: January 9, 2017 at 12:43 PM >> Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured >> Your collection your rules! >> I would give higher priority to the collection that is most further along. >> Mark Z >> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> Date: 1/9/2017 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) >> To: OBC Ramblings >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured >> I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. >> Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personalpreference? Veterans, help?!?! >> Trip > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:20:35 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 17:22:46 -0500 To: mzentko Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? From: ShoelessWes There are some, (not me, per se) that have cards with dual purpose. A 1963 Rose could be your set filler, AND your team set filler. But the commons? Meh. Eh, perhaps i suppose. I guess just so long as they dont count two times on your total number. Wes Shepard > On Jan 9, 2017, at 3:41 PM, mzentko mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Your collection your rules! > I would give higher priority to the collection that is most further along. > Mark Z > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message -------- > From: "chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 1/9/2017 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured > I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. > Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! > Trip ================= To: Ken M Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:47:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1960 Fleer #80 From: Aaron Shirley "Look at this on eBay" - Ken M "I've got half of that card!" - everyone Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2017, at 12:34 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/121561146252 ================= To: OBC Ramblings , chris tripler Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 23:06:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: Taylor Schock Personal choice. Ask yourself this. If I HAD TO CHOOSE only one type of collection to have (set vs player vs team vs type (or whatever)), which would I choose? That's where the the first copy of the player goes (IMO). http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 3:26 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 23:38:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: Aaron Shirley Or better yet: Ask yourself, "Which one of these will I be more likely to show off? The full set binder, the team binder, or the player binder?" The answer to that shows your priority. And for me it's easy because I have binders for Cardinals and for Bob Shirley but most sets are in boxes. I can't afford that many sheets! Very revealing conversation. As much as we have in common, we are differentindeed! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Personal choice. Ask yourself this. If I HAD TO CHOOSE only one type of collection to have (set vs player vs team vs type (or whatever)), which would I choose? That's where the the first copy of the player goes (IMO). http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 3:26 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:00:07 -0500 To: Anson Whaley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Greetings! From: Doug DeJong If you look through my set binders, you will see index cards saying "playerXYZ see the player XYZ binder". Then if I get a second one the card goes out. I do take the card off my wantlist though after the first one. Doug DeJong Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2017, at 11:13 PM, Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Greetings, all - > Just wanted to drop a quick line to introduce myself as a new member to OBC. As quick as it can be, anyway - I am a writer by nature and tend to ramble > Just for some context, I have been a card collector for nearly 30 years now. I got into vintage about 20 years ago and these days focus mostly on pre-war and other vintage issues. I consider myself mostly a set collector but also a pre-war type collector of sorts. Most recently, I've been focusingon completing my T207 set, pre-war type card collecting, collecting old advertising/trade cards, and also beginning several other vintage sets - someof which I've completed previously. My most recent card 'achievements' have been completing the T205 and T206 (minus the Big 4) sets over the past two > As I said, I do quite a bit of writing. In the past few months, I createda new website at www.prewarcards.com, focusing on specific sets, pre-war card news, etc. Because it's new, most of the set reviews are pretty skimpy.But it will be much more full in a few months, so I encourage you to keep checking back if pre-war stuff is your thing. > I am also a regular contributor to Sports Collectors Daily. And as if that wasn't enough, for the past seven years, I have managed a media-credentialed blog about my Alma Mater's sports teams, the Pittsburgh Panthers (www.cardiachill.com). Also, my 'regular' job is in marketing for the parent firmof several construction companies here in Pittsburgh. In other words, I spend way too much time at a computer. > Like most of you, I have few requirements when it comes to trading cards.Almost all of my cards are in low-grade condition and the few higher gradecards I get mostly are traded/sold for lower grade ones so I can purchase more low-grade ones. > That's all for now. I'll be posting a want list soon and feel free to email me with any questions or just to chat in general. I'm always up for a good discussion on pre-war stuff especially. > And not to make this an E-Harmony commercial, but outside of cards and Pitt, I'm also into photography, learning Spanish, heavily involved in my church, and love traveling to Mexico with my wife. I've also recently started as an ESL (English as Second Language) tutor, so I'm looking forward to that. I say all that to let you know that if there's ever a delay in email response, it's mostly because I have a pretty full plate 99% of the time. But I'm mostly pretty timely in responding just because there's almost always acomputer in reach. > Thanks to those that have reached out to me already. You guys are incredible and I'm very excited to be a part of the group. Also a special thanks to my sponsors and George Vrechek, who I've been in communication with for awhile and really was the one who encouraged me to join. > Cheers, > Anson ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 20:14:57 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a From: Mike Glasser After a full year, I still can't figure out what HOM stands for... Someone please save me from ignorance. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Cc: chris tripler Sent: Mon, Jan 9, 2017 6:39 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured Or better yet: Ask yourself, "Which one of these will I be more likely to show off? The full set binder, the team binder, or the player binder?" The answer to that shows your priority. And for me it's easy because I have binders for Cardinals and for Bob Shirley but most sets are in boxes. I can't afford that many sheets! Very revealing conversation. As much as we have in common, we are differentindeed! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2017, at 5:06 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Personal choice. Ask yourself this. If I HAD TO CHOOSE only one type of collection to have (set vs player vs team vs type (or whatever)), which would I choose? That's where the the first copy of the player goes (IMO). http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of chris triplercetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 3:26 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! ================= Date: 09 Jan 2017 18:31:59 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: 09 Jan 2017 19:12:05 -0800 To: Subject: Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 19:25:22 -0800 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) From: Geordie Calvert Heh. Thanks, Tom! To the group at large, it was pointed out by many, publicly and privately, that I should reconsider my decision. I spent some time over the weekend reading and re-reading those notes and thinking things over. I came to realize that I'd really miss OBC and its members, sooner than later for sure. Andthat's what really tipped the scales: not the cardboard going back and forth (although cardboard is good), but the relationships built over the last 20 years. As I pointed out to Ken earlier today, he and I have spent 40% of our lives in OBC - I can't so casually put that to the side. To the guys that took time to send me a note, I'm slowly but surely responding to each of you. I want to thank you for the encouragement and friendship you displayed. Grateful OBCer in the middle of Cali, > On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:12 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Ignore those nasty rumors of Mr. Calvert's departure. Ignore the Ramble that supposedly came from him; I have it on good authority that there were some Russian shenanigans involved. > Now, Mr. Calvert himself hasn't told me yet, but I hear from a reliable AC member that Geordie has re-considered his OBC retirement & wishes to remain. Great news all around! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 22:29:45 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) From: Yahoo They call that the power of friendship!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2017, at 22:12, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Ignore those nasty rumors of Mr. Calvert's departure. Ignore the Ramble that supposedly came from him; I have it on good authority that there were some Russian shenanigans involved. > Now, Mr. Calvert himself hasn't told me yet, but I hear from a reliable AC member that Geordie has re-considered his OBC retirement & wishes to remain. Great news all around! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 03:39:44 +0000 (UTC) To: "Housley, Tom" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert From: tvalacak@comcast.net This is great to hear! I want to share my favorite Geordie story. This occurred during our Secret Santo 2015. I had quite a large box delivered to me.On Christmas day, I opened it up. Inside I found a full box of Frosted Flakes and one other cereal box. Well, cool, I thought, I like cereal, but there must be more to this. I examined the boxes, they were unopened. I poppedeach of them open, and found full bag of cereal. What gives? I posted my thanks for the breakfast cereals. Geordie let me sit on that for a few hoursand then emailed me, telling me to open the bags of cereal. I did. Inside the cereal bags, within the cereal boxes, were my ast two hits to my 1970 Kelloggs set =E2=93 Reggie Jackson and Roberto Clemente. Awesome. I stilllaugh about it today. One of the aspects of our group that I have always liked is that we don=E2=99t have a point system, or a monthly trade number we have to hit. We do what we can do when we can do it. I love it. OBC =E2=93 the greatest collecting group around! ----- Original Message ----- From: "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 9:12:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) Ignore those nasty rumors of Mr. Calvert's departure. Ignore the Ramble that supposedly came from him; I have it on good authority that there were some Russian shenanigans involved. Now, Mr. Calvert himself hasn't told me yet, but I hear from a reliable AC member that Geordie has re-considered his OBC retirement & wishes to remain. Great news all around! Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 03:41:48 +0000 (UTC) To: "Calvert, Geordie" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert From: mark_macrae@comcast.net Geordie.... Guru and I were holding out hope that we would see you on Saturday in Sacramento. I know the drive would have been a rough one, but the prospect of digging through vintage cardboard is usually worth a few buckets (or in this case lakes) of rain... Mark ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: directorth@aol.com Cc: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 7:25:22 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) Heh. Thanks, Tom! To the group at large, it was pointed out by many, publicly and privately, that I should reconsider my decision. I spent some time over the weekend reading and re-reading those notes and thinking things over. I came to realize that I'd really miss OBC and its members, sooner than later for sure. Andthat's what really tipped the scales: not the cardboard going back and forth (although cardboard is good), but the relationships built over the last 20 years. As I pointed out to Ken earlier today, he and I have spent 40% ofour lives in OBC - I can't so casually put that to the side. To the guys that took time to send me a note, I'm slowly but surely responding to each of you. I want to thank you for the encouragement and friendship you displayed. Grateful OBCer in the middle of Cali, On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:12 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: Ignore those nasty rumors of Mr. Calvert's departure. Ignore the Ramble that supposedly came from him; I have it on good authority that there were some Russian shenanigans involved. Now, Mr. Calvert himself hasn't told me yet, but I hear from a reliable AC member that Geordie has re-considered his OBC retirement & wishes to remain. Great news all around! Tom Housley ================= Date: 09 Jan 2017 19:52:16 -0800 To: Subject: Post Vacation Ramble From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= To: Geordie Calvert , "OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 04:00:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) From: Aaron Shirley Glad you're back. Or, conversely, that you never left. Whichever one you want. I'm also quite glad there was a significant, unified voice you heard from us that we value you way more than we value your cardboard contribution. If that were the deciding factor, I would have never made it in, or would havehad ample opportunity to be shown the door over the last 11 years. Some have expressed that same sentiment, and maybe they made it jokingly. But to be perfectly honest, that is EXACTLY how I feel. A LOT. I often wonder if I'm considered one of the "takers" in this group, and fret about how the guysmight resent me for not having the same quantity or quality of stuff many others offer and send out so generously. I'll say it again, I'm glad so many folks stepped up and said to reconsider. I for one wasn't gonna say anything, because I just thought it sounded like you've made up your mind. But thankfully, several expressed another way of looking at it. Said some incredibly nice things. And reminded me for thethousandth time that... OBC is absolutely awesome. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 9, 2017 9:25 PM To: directorth@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome to our newest member Geordie Calvert :-) Heh. Thanks, Tom! To the group at large, it was pointed out by many, publicly and privately, that I should reconsider my decision. I spent some time over the weekend reading and re-reading those notes and thinking things over. I came to realize that I'd really miss OBC and its members, sooner than later for sure. Andthat's what really tipped the scales: not the cardboard going back and forth (although cardboard is good), but the relationships built over the last 20 years. As I pointed out to Ken earlier today, he and I have spent 40% of our lives in OBC - I can't so casually put that to the side. To the guys that took time to send me a note, I'm slowly but surely responding to each of you. I want to thank you for the encouragement and friendship you displayed. Grateful OBCer in the middle of Cali, On Jan 9, 2017, at 7:12 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Ignore those nasty rumors of Mr. Calvert's departure. Ignore the Ramble that supposedly came from him; I have it on good authority that there were some Russian shenanigans involved. Now, Mr. Calvert himself hasn't told me yet, but I hear from a reliable AC member that Geordie has re-considered his OBC retirement & wishes to remain. Great news all around! Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2017 23:21:27 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm with Geordie...Dodgers have first priority. And upgrades go to Brooklyn binder first. A lot of my set sets are beat up, so the lesser card would feel right at home with the others LOL. The full sets are next, then my "other" made up collections (first year teams, etc). Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/9/2017 4:50:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: That's a good question, Sam. I was a team collector when I joined OBC. When I decided to collect sets, I always made sure the Dodgers sets were filled first. The cards that filled those slots have remained there. I've no doubt that I have better conditioned Dodgers cards in my main sets, and that's where they will stay. On Jan 9, 2017, at 1:20 PM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' _drsam9795@gmail.com_ (mailto:drsam9795@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: This thread has surprised me. I am a set collector, and presumed most OBCers are as well. I wouldn't even think of putting a card in the player, or team binder until I had the set binder done. In fact, even if I still had a "HAVE" list and there are holes all over the set, I'd still put the player in that binder. Follow up question... Where do you put the better conditioned card? Sam Taylor On Mon, Jan 9, 2017 at 3:48 PM, _familytoad@comcast.net_ (mailto:familytoad@comcast.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I have this problem with my 1971 Topps FB and Jim Kiick collection. I have started 18 sets into binders, I have enough cards to start a few more but I need more binders and pages to do more. But I have ~45 more Jim Kiick cards for these sets. Do I say that I have started 63 sets or just say that I have 18 or maybe 20 in queue? Why don't "normal" people have these wrenching decisions? OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: mzentko _mzentko@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mzentko@yahoo.com) To: chris tripler, OBC Ramblings Sent: January 9, 2017 at 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured crisis? Your collection your rules! I would give higher priority to the collection that is most further along. Mark Z Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "chris tripler _cetripler@yahoo.com_ (mailto:cetripler@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@OBC-Ramblings-n_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > Date: 1/9/2017 2:26 PM (GMT-06:00) To: OBC Ramblings <_obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Main set or HOMer set...conundrum or a manufactured cr isis? I have a couple of Walt Dropo's that fit into both the main set I'm collecting and the HOMer set I'm putting together. Which set has precedence? The main set? The HOMer set? or is it personal preference? Veterans, help?!?! Sam Taylor ================= Date: 10 Jan 2017 17:37:51 -0800 To: Subject: Does anyone know what set this is from? From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: JAY TYSVER Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 03:57:11 +0000 Subject: Does anyone know what set this is from? From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:05:15 +0000 Subject: OBC-hosted wantlist problem From: Aaron Shirley Uh oh... when I try to go to http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/editwl.php I get this Error - Could not connect : MySQL server has gone away Can't update my wantlists! Am I the only one? ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Aaron Shirley Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:10:34 +0000 Subject: Re: OBC-hosted wantlist problem From: Mac Wubben I got the same error. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 11:05:15 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-hosted wantlist problem Uh oh... when I try to go to http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/editwl.php I get this Error - Could not connect : MySQL server has gone away Can't update my wantlists! Am I the only one? ================= Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2017 23:10:34 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-hosted wantlist problem From: Ken M I think the server may be down. I just tried to pull up the directory and got a similar error message. Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 10, 2017 11:05 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] OBC-hosted wantlist problem Uh oh... when I try to go tohttp://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/editwl.phpI get thisError - Could not connect : MySQL server has gone awayCan't update my wantlists! Am I the only one?Aaron ================= To: JAY TYSVER Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:12:31 +0000 Subject: Re: Does anyone know what set this is from? From: Mac Wubben It is a 4 in 1 exhibit cut into a single. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 10:57:11 PM To: JAY TYSVER Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Does anyone know what set this is from? Realized there may not have been a link. Let's try this. Jay Tysver On Jan 10, 2017, at 7:37 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Dizzy dean ================= To: JAY TYSVER , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:29:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Does anyone know what set this is from? From: Aaron Shirley I think it's from a set called "stuff Aaron wants" From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2017 9:57 PM To: JAY TYSVER Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Does anyone know what set this is from? Realized there may not have been a link. Let's try this. Jay Tysver On Jan 10, 2017, at 7:37 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Dizzy dean ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 04:46:50 +0000 Subject: Re: Does anyone know what set this is from? From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 00:00:14 -0500 Subject: RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC favorite player From: ED SCHOTT these are ONLY totals from guys that responded ie: Sal D... I know loves his Mets please feel free to participate..I ll go till the 15th Cards...Shirley, Zentkovich Giants...Welk, Schock Indians...Malson, Thayer, Hutchinson Os...Schott, Glasser Phils...Yudt, Lindholme, Labs Pirates...Barnett, Betza Reds...Stamper, Shepard, Bannon, Barnes red sux...Morganti, Conway, Adriance, Freedman, Corvello, Donaldson Tigers...Taylor,Rich, Dahms, Craig Twins...Luurs, Dejong, Pelletier skanks...Mead. Sankner On 1/1/2017 5:55 PM, ED SCHOTT wrote: > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of > you that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 05:39:01 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC From: Sean Schuettpelz Hi Ed! Mr. Cubbie Banks! Go Cubs for me! Sean Schuettpelz On Tue, 1/10/17, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC favorite player survey(TEAM) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tuesday, January 10, 2017, 9:00 PM these are ONLY totals from guys that responded ie: Sal D... I know loves his Mets please feel free to participate..I ll go till the 15th Cards...Shirley, Zentkovich Giants...Welk, Schock Indians...Malson, Thayer, Hutchinson Os...Schott, Glasser Phils...Yudt, Lindholme, Shepard, Bannon, Barnes sux...Morganti, Conway, Adriance, Freedman, Corvello, Tigers...Taylor,Rich, Dahms, Craig Twins...Luurs, Dejong, On 1/1/2017 5:55 PM, ED SCHOTT > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of > you that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 12:22:46 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: One Card Dodger Waiver Wire - Willie Davis Schedule From: A one card waiver wire for Dodger and/or schedule fans - Willie Davis on one side, 1973 Dodger schedule on the back. Bill Malson ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 07:41:52 -0500 To: VCT , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Hank Aaron cards for trade From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I have the following Hank Aaron cards that I'd like to trade: 1965 Topps #170 P/F 1965 Topps Embossed #59 Good 1970 Topps Scratch-Offs (White) - nice eye appeal, but written on back, andscratched off inside 1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (Red) - EX (unmarked; unscratched) 1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (Red) - P (marked; scratched) 1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (Red) - (creased; unmarked; one box scratched) 1973 Topps #100 Good 1974 Topps #5 VG 1974 Topps #6 VGEX 1989 Topps #663 MINT WHAT WOULD I LIKE IN TRADE? - Vintage HOF cards that I can use (not on my site, so just let me know what you have) - Hank Aarons from 1964 and earlier - 1960 Fleer - on my site - 1978 Topps AUTOS only - on my site - Virgil Trucks cards - on my site - also open to vintage Topps autos Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 13:43:40 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Sunday's OBC football meet up From: Matthew Glidden Not long after New England's first real winter storm, Bob Donaldson hosted a few OBCers for football at his place in Arlington, MA. While watching Pittsburgh undress the Dolphins backup QBs, I also took in Bob's baseball display and thumbed through a bunch of his vintage and prewar binders. He happened to have the second example of what's likely a Diamond Stars printing mistake, where they printed some 1935 green backs with the text "upside down" relative to most fronts. (Will keep watching for those flipped backs to see how often they happened.) Chris Tripler and Ken Morganti also came by to talk cards and share Bob's excellent snacks. It was my first time meeting Chris and we chatted about teams we follow and how he happened to be wearing a Packers sweatshirt (I had my Brewers hat) and his future plans for a place in Connecticut. Handshakes from Bob, Ken, and Chris hit my 1960 Leaf, Fleer, and Exhibits lists, a nice bonus for any OBC gathering. Thanks again, Bob, and look forward to getting together again! ================= To: Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:29:56 -0800 Subject: Re: RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC favorite player survey(TEAM) From: "George Vrechek" If there is a team called the Chicago Cubs and the Chicago White Sox, then that is my favorite team. For me it's like having to pick between two children. I root for both equally, ever since their last meaningful game against each other in 1906. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 08:46:18 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC favorite player survey(TEAM) From: Geordie Calvert Well, let me see. My favorite team is the San Fra..... EFFFFFFFFFF NO! Fave team: Dodgers and whoever is playing the Giants. Favorite players: Pee Wee and Sandy from the old guard, Corey Seager and Clayton Kershaw from the current player pool. Honorable mentions go to Brett Butler and Nomar Garciaparra. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , ED SCHOTT Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 16:52:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC From: Shawn Smart Favorite Team - New York Mets Favorite Players - All- Time - Keith Hernandez, Andre Dawson Current - Noah Syndergaard, Wilmer Flores From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2017 12:00 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC favoriteplayer these are ONLY totals from guys that responded ie: Sal D... I know loves his Mets please feel free to participate..I ll go till the 15th Cards...Shirley, Zentkovich Giants...Welk, Schock Indians...Malson, Thayer, Hutchinson Os...Schott, Glasser Phils...Yudt, Lindholme, Labs Pirates...Barnett, Betza Reds...Stamper, Shepard, Bannon, Barnes red sux...Morganti, Conway, Adriance, Freedman, Corvello, Donaldson Tigers...Taylor,Rich, Dahms, Craig Twins...Luurs, Dejong, Pelletier skanks...Mead. Sankner On 1/1/2017 5:55 PM, ED SCHOTT wrote: > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of > you that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:43:52 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: One Card Dodger Waiver Wire - Willie Davis Schedule - Claimed From: Willie Davis has been claimed ================= Date: 11 Jan 2017 14:30:12 -0800 To: Subject: 75 Topps Mini waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:32:04 -0500 Subject: RESULTS...Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: ED SCHOTT This is very interestink Ive only posted players that received more than 1 vote GIANTS...Mays, Marichal INDIANS...Colavito, Lindor PHILS... Michael Jack REDS...Bench , Votto redsx...Yaz, Fisk, Pedroia, Betts ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 19:33:16 -0600 Subject: Some card pics....attachments! From: Yaz Aaron Shirley requested a look at the recent income I obtained from Nick Pelletier and so I shall. I thought I might also share a couple of other pictures of cards that have come my way. Whoever is running the OBC Tiptons on parade page, feel free to add these if they are worthy. First up is the '59 Mick that Aaron wants to see. Sent by Nick Pelletier, someone without imagination might think a hole punch was used. I tend to believe a .22 Springfield was the culprit. Next up I believe is the '55 Ted Williams which isn't a bad looking card really, just a little unintentional paper loss up front. I think Wes Shepard sent me this beauty. The '62 Babe: Coaching for the Dodgers is one of my favorites. I detailed it on my page way back in the 90's as a perfect example of Tipton. I'm so old school that the page is probably still there untouched with all my witty comments. Ha! Another '62 card, Willie Mays, I'm sure Steve Rittenburg sent me this about 10 or 12 years ago. Willie has a blue mustache but on the scan it looks black. One of those hairs goes straight up his nostril, Ouch! The next two scans are of a '65 Mick I sent to Geordie last month. I have it from an reliable source that the pretty blue borders, (back), are donated from a 1982 Donruss Moose Haas and Sanford Royal Blue Sharpie. I really know nothing about this. I am pretty sure that after receiving this card, Geordie, being so overwhelmed, felt he could never re-compensate and therefore quit OBC. Later while holding the card, the tape began to peel and the sharpie began to bleed and he no longer felt unworthy of this card and rejoined OBC. Some surfer dude told me this story and I believe it to be true. Correct me if I'm wrong Geordie. Finally, I display a '53 Feller donated to me by James Moleta. Now this card is just abused and I think it was done by a Yankee fan. If Bob Feller were still alive and still signing a billion cards per year, I would like to have paid a Yankee hat wearing dude a few bills just to stand in Feller's line and get it signed. What a hoot! Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:40:55 -0500 To: ED SCHOTT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS...Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Andy Huntoon Phils - Michael Jack I got that. I understood that one. I know who that is. I feel proud a little bit now. =9C Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2017, at 8:32 PM, ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > This is very interestink > Ive only posted players that received more than 1 vote > *************************************** > GIANTS...Mays, Marichal > INDIANS...Colavito, Lindor > METS...Thor > Os...Brooksie > PHILS... Michael Jack > REDS...Bench , Votto > redsx...Yaz, Fisk, Pedroia, Betts > TIGERS...Verlander > TWINS...Killer ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 20:42:06 -0500 To: easchott@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS...Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I DEMAND a recount!!! It is impossible that my HOMer Willie Horton has not received the most votes. The man should be in the HOF and was the best player in Detroit history! At least born and bred in Detroit. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ED SCHOTT easchott@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 11, 2017 8:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS...Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS This is very interestink Ive only posted players that received more than 1 vote GIANTS...Mays, Marichal INDIANS...Colavito, Lindor PHILS... Michael Jack REDS...Bench , Votto redsx...Yaz, Fisk, Pedroia, Betts ================= To: "yazobc@gmail.com" Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 01:46:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some card pics....attachments! From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: 11 Jan 2017 18:05:39 -0800 To: Subject: 2 days in a row From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 21:25:36 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RESULTS after 10 days..... unofficial OBC favorite player... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en ok time to jump in...Favorite team (s) Red Sox Players - old Mets- Bud Harrelson, Edguardo Alfonzo, Wally Backman [Willie Mays (but not a Met long enough)] old Sox- Yaz, Petrocelli, Aparicio Current Players- Syndergaard and deGrom (I guess I miss my hair being like that)- Still love David Wright, but who knows if he will be a current player again and Reyes because he just loves playing baseball. Pedroia, Brock Holt (I love those gritty guys) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/11/2017 12:00:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: these are ONLY totals from guys that responded ie: Sal D... I know loves his Mets please feel free to participate..I ll go till the 15th Cards...Shirley, Zentkovich Giants...Welk, Schock Indians...Malson, Thayer, Hutchinson Os...Schott, Glasser Phils...Yudt, Lindholme, Labs Pirates...Barnett, Betza Reds...Stamper, Shepard, Bannon, Barnes red sux...Morganti, Conway, Adriance, Freedman, Corvello, Donaldson Tigers...Taylor,Rich, Dahms, Craig Twins...Luurs, Dejong, Pelletier skanks...Mead. Sankner On 1/1/2017 5:55 PM, ED SCHOTT wrote: > Happy New Year All > Ive been thinking about this for a while now and decided to pull the > trigger. > I as all of you should know by now bleed orange and black for my > hometown Orioles. > They are the only team that Ive ever or ever will root for. > Oriole Baseball is part of my soul. > Im fairly certain that in our little card group, there are a lot of > you that feel the same > as I do about YOUR favorite team. > Heres what I need to know > Who is your favorite team and who is your all-time favorite player(or 2) > Also who is your favorite current player (or 2) > I will gather the results and share the final list around the end of Jan. > thanks for your anticipated cooperation > EDDIE > Along with that, who is your favorite current (or 2) player ================= Date: 11 Jan 2017 18:27:38 -0800 To: Subject: FOOT happenings From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 11 Jan 2017 22:06:51 -0500 Subject: UV From: ED SCHOTT need the uv .com please anyone ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:31:18 +0000 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Okay, time for my two cents. I grew up going to Connie Mack Stadium, so there is only one team for me, my beloved Phillies. On my all-time list I have to have two. The first is Richie Allen--the first "star" that I grew up with. If only he had his head in the game, he'd be in the HOF. As it is, as much as I like him, I don't believe he deserves to enter-just comes up short. The second would be my HOM candidate--Tony Taylor. Loved his attitude, how he played the game, his smile, and it didn't hurt that he lived only a few miles from me and could occasionally be seen in the local K-Mart. Might even get some Tiger fans to second that vote. Current, it is tough. No one on the current Phillies team really embodies what I loved as a kid--of course, no one has been there more than a year or two. But, since he is trying for a comeback, I guess I can still pick Shane Victorino. My son and I were at the playoff game where he hit that grand slam off of CC--one of my all time "at game" experiences. Bob Neill ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 08:40:07 -0500 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Joel Freedman Bob, what is your perspective on Curt Shilling and his days in Philadelphia? On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:31 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Okay, time for my two cents. I grew up going to Connie Mack Stadium, so > there is only one team for me, my beloved Phillies. On my all-time list I > have to have two. The first is Richie Allen--the first "star" that I grew > up with. If only he had his head in the game, he'd be in the HOF. As it is, > as much as I like him, I don't believe he deserves to enter-just comes up > short. The second would be my HOM candidate--Tony Taylor. Loved his > attitude, how he played the game, his smile, and it didn't hurt that he > lived only a few miles from me and could occasionally be seen in the local > K-Mart. Might even get some Tiger fans to second that vote. > Current, it is tough. No one on the current Phillies team really embodies > what I loved as a kid--of course, no one has been there more than a year or > two. But, since he is trying for a comeback, I guess I can still pick Shane > Victorino. My son and I were at the playoff game where he hit that grand > slam off of CC--one of my all time "at game" experiences. > Bob Neill ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 09:01:27 -0500 To: Glenn Codere , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: JDahms ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 09:25:35 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2017 collecting goals From: Ken M Hi all,  I realized a few days ago that I posted my progress on Christmas Eve and that I would wait to post the new goals until next (this) year. I'm going to try to make these a little challenging this year, instead of the softball tosses in the past. I think I've met most of them, so they must not be challenging enough. Here goes...1) Find 2 of the last 10 Polar Bear T205's I need. I'd be happy with just one, but no guts, no glory2) Find 2 of the 4 Red Man variations on my list. Hegan and 3 HOF'ers from 52. Kind of a cream puff goal, since I know I have one coming (not sure which though)3) Find 5 Jellos - 9 of these are supposedly 'commons', but my past success or rather lack of it (read: lack of effort) has tempered my expectations on reaching this goal a bit.4) Finish the 70's Fleer sets. Need one more Famous Feats and five Baseball Firsts.5) Clean up the 1969 Topps stickers. Find the seven missing albums and start sticking the accumulation of stamps in them. Post a want list of actual players names I need.6) Find 10 Kellogg's variations. I need 7 from 1971 and a couple dozen from 1979, so there's plenty to be had. The way things are going though, I'll end up adding more undiscovered ones to the list and it'll end up longer by December.7) Get the 1975 mini set down to a couple dozen (that's when I usually add the names to the list). I'll need a lot of help from you guys on this one.8) Get the Hostess sets all down to single digits and the 75 and 76 Twinkies sets down to listing names. (Two of the Hostess sets are already there though.) The 77 Twinkie set is a beast. I'd be happy getting that one down to 50 left.9) Get 77 and 80 OPC down to a couple dozen each and list names. Finish the 78 OPC set (10 - HOF'ers and CL's left)10) Eliminate all the late 70's hockey lists. Get the older lists down to listing name territory.11) Find ONE of the last three 1963 Fleer FB cards I need and get rid of that 1955 AA upgrade list.12) Send out at least 10 envelopes every month in an effort to hit everyone in the directory over the course of the year.That's it. Wish me luck! Send me help! (Licensed professionals included). TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 15:39:38 +0000 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: I'm a bit torn on Curt. As a player, he was very good, but I somehow alwaysgot the impression that he was more concerned about himself than the team.Even the "bloody sock" incident, in my mind (and I could be wrong) seemed to be about "look how tough I am". I never really warmed to him. I don't see him as a HOFer, but then again, by view on the Hall is that it is for the VERY best only. I think that some of today's writers (I'm talking about you Jayson Stark and many of your ilk) are the product of the "everyone getsa trophy" generation. I'm sorry, anyone complaining that 10 spots aren't enough on their ballot has a MUCH lower standard for HOF than I do. I've looked at this year's ballot, and if I was voting I would only put in 2 or 3 names. Number 1 would be Tim Raines--should have been there years ago. If he played in NY, he would have been a first ballot HOFer. #2 would probablybe Bagwell and the third would be Vlad. That's it. Bonds/Roger--never. Nodoubt they cheated, and I don't buy the argument that they were HOFers before they cheated. I never yet met a teacher who would catch someone cheating on a test and then say "well, we only caught you cheating on these 7 questions, so we'll count the rest". It was always a zero when caught. As for Pudge, I know he was never caught (although no one is really trying to hardto catch anyone), but, sad as it is, Jose Canseco has proven to be the most honest person there is about steroids, so I couldn't vote for Pudge, especially in his first year. Oops, I'm getting like Ken and rambling :-) ---- "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Bob, what is your perspective on Curt Shilling and his days in Philadelphia? On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:31 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Okay, time for my two cents. I grew up going to Connie Mack Stadium, so > there is only one team for me, my beloved Phillies. On my all-time list I > have to have two. The first is Richie Allen--the first "star" that I grew > up with. If only he had his head in the game, he'd be in the HOF. As it is, > as much as I like him, I don't believe he deserves to enter-just comes up > short. The second would be my HOM candidate--Tony Taylor. Loved his > attitude, how he played the game, his smile, and it didn't hurt that he > lived only a few miles from me and could occasionally be seen in the local > K-Mart. Might even get some Tiger fans to second that vote. > Current, it is tough. No one on the current Phillies team really embodies > what I loved as a kid--of course, no one has been there more than a year or > two. But, since he is trying for a comeback, I guess I can still pick Shane > Victorino. My son and I were at the playoff game where he hit that grand > slam off of CC--one of my all time "at game" experiences. > Bob Neill ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:21:23 -0500 Subject: 2017 OBC Membership Poll - 2nd Update From: Don Rice Hey Guys, After just over a week since polling began, we still have 28 non-respondents. _/If you are on this list I have NOT heard from you /_(or your response was lost in transit) _/and you need to respond/_. Conversely, if your name is not listed, you are all set... thank you very much! Current members, please feel free to lean on your friends below and encourage them to respond. :-) Responses should be sent directly to me, Don Rice, at dkrice@twc.com , stating your desire to 1) stay active in OBC, 2) go inactive, or 3) quit altogether. Thanks, Don (Yes, I am being a pest, but I intentionally sent this message to three OBC servers hoping to catch as many as I can.) *George Altemose * george.altemose3@gmail.com *Bob Bannon * biggies@aol.com *Steve Carter * yompkee@hotmail.com *Dan Cipra * xcip@aol.com *James Cooper * coop951@yahoo.com *Bob Corvello * friar4@aol.com *Nick Covello * nickcov@snip.net *Jim Craig * 233_23555@msn.com *Jeff Delott * jdelott@aim.com *Michael Dillon * mp1067@hotmail.com *Alvin Edwards * eltoro20122012@gmail.com *Jake Elwell * jelwell8@earthlink.net *Dave Fallen * david.fallen@comcast.net *Joel Glickman * glk@aol.com *Kent Goto * kwg0@aol.com *Rick Johnson * ricktopps@aol.com *Earl Kilbourn * originaleek1@att.net *John Leroux * trufan999@aol.com *Ray Luurs * luurscjg@aol.com *Howard Morgan * hmorgan707@gmail.com *Mike Mroz * mfmroz1718@gmail.com *Jeffrey & Michael Newman *michaelnewman119@gmail.com *Chuck Paris * chuckparis@comcast.net *Ed Pike * ehpiii@aol.com *Steve Rittenberg * srittenberg@gmail.com *Jeff Sinclair * suzguy11@hotmail.com *Brandon Wax * bwax15@yahoo.com *Larry Zurawski * lwzurawski@comcast.net ================= To: "rdn56@nc.rr.com" Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 16:48:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:00:22 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1970 Topps 180 Unitas From: Joel Freedman Hi, last card I need for the set, anyone have one for trade? ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 11:55:01 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Joel Freedman Taylor, so why does Bud Selig get into the HOF? On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 11:48 AM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My only problem with your analogy is that both the teacher and the > principle knew the student was cheating, did nothing, yet get honored > anyway for their contributions to education (regardless of whether or not > they were good teacher/principle prior to allowing the cheating to happen). > =89] > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, January 12, 2017 10:39 AM > *To:* Joel Freedman > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS > I'm a bit torn on Curt. As a player, he was very good, but I somehow > always got the impression that he was more concerned about himself than the > team. Even the "bloody sock" incident, in my mind (and I could be wrong) > seemed to be about "look how tough I am". I never really warmed to him. I > don't see him as a HOFer, but then again, by view on the Hall is that it is > for the VERY best only. I think that some of today's writers (I'm talking > about you Jayson Stark and many of your ilk) are the product of the > "everyone gets a trophy" generation. I'm sorry, anyone complaining that 10 > spots aren't enough on their ballot has a MUCH lower standard for HOF than > I do. I've looked at this year's ballot, and if I was voting I would only > put in 2 or 3 names. Number 1 would be Tim Raines--should have been there > years ago. If he played in NY, he would have been a first ballot HOFer. #2 > would probably be Bagwell and the third would be Vlad. That's it. > Bonds/Roger--never. No doubt they cheated, and I don't buy the argument > that they were HOFers before they cheated. I never yet met a teacher who > would catch someone cheating on a test and then say "well, we only caught > you cheating on these 7 questions, so we'll count the rest". It was always > a zero when caught. As for Pudge, I know he was never caught (although no > one is really trying to hard to catch anyone), but, sad as it is, Jose > Canseco has proven to be the most honest person there is about steroids, so > I couldn't vote for Pudge, especially in his first year. > Oops, I'm getting like Ken and rambling :-) > Bob > ---- "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Bob, what is your perspective on Curt Shilling and his days in > Philadelphia? > Regards, > Joel > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 8:31 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > > > Okay, time for my two cents. I grew up going to Connie Mack Stadium, so > > there is only one team for me, my beloved Phillies. On my all-time listI > > have to have two. The first is Richie Allen--the first "star" that I grew > > up with. If only he had his head in the game, he'd be in the HOF. As it > is, > > as much as I like him, I don't believe he deserves to enter-just comes up > > short. The second would be my HOM candidate--Tony Taylor. Loved his > > attitude, how he played the game, his smile, and it didn't hurt that he > > lived only a few miles from me and could occasionally be seen in the > local > > K-Mart. Might even get some Tiger fans to second that vote. > > > > Current, it is tough. No one on the current Phillies team really embodies > > what I loved as a kid--of course, no one has been there more than a year > or > > two. But, since he is trying for a comeback, I guess I can still pick > Shane > > Victorino. My son and I were at the playoff game where he hit that grand > > slam off of CC--one of my all time "at game" experiences. > > > > Bob Neill > > > > ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 12:34:35 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Topps 180 Unitas From: Matt Yudt Hi Joel I have one - possibly 2 - but either way certainly willing to trade it in order to kill a set! Nothing better than killing someone else's set! Sent from my iPhone - please excuse typos > On Jan 12, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi, last card I need for the set, anyone have one for trade? > Regards, > Joel ================= To: Joel Freedman Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 18:15:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 13:47:06 -0500 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Topps 180 Unitas From: Joel Freedman thanks Matt, will send you something back. thanks! On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 12:34 PM, Matt Yudt wrote: > Hi Joel > I have one - possibly 2 - but either way certainly willing to trade it in > order to kill a set! Nothing better than killing someone else's set! > Matt > Sent from my iPhone - please excuse typos > On Jan 12, 2017, at 12:00 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi, last card I need for the set, anyone have one for trade? > Regards, > Joel ================= Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 20:29:25 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thanks Mike G. From: Thanks out to Mike Glasser, for 5 from the 66 set (including the rare Herman Franks beard variation), plus one from the 55 Bowman Football short list. All much appreciated, Bill Malson ================= To: Joel Freedman , mark zentkovich Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2017 22:14:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Unofficial OBC.... PLAYERS From: Taylor Schock ================= To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 05:50:10 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some card pics....attachments! [1 Attachment] From: Yaz I can think of a whole lot of scenarios involving this card but the one that sticks in my mind involves the kid that sits in the back of math class snatching the teacher's hole punch off her desk while she's writing problems on the chalkboard. Greg (yaz) On 1/12/2017 2:51 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from hoot_owl1@verizon.net included below] > I've shown this one before--a 1952 Bowman large version (or what's > left of it) Sammy Baugh. > A classic and purchased for the grand sum of $1. > peter mead > On 01/11/17, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Aaron Shirley requested a look at the recent income I obtained from Nick > Pelletier and so I shall. I thought I might also share a couple of other > pictures of cards that have come my way. Whoever is running the OBC > Tiptons on parade page, feel free to add these if they are worthy. > First up is the '59 Mick that Aaron wants to see. Sent by Nick > Pelletier, someone without imagination might think a hole punch was > used. I tend to believe a .22 Springfield was the culprit. > Next up I believe is the '55 Ted Williams which isn't a bad looking card > really, just a little unintentional paper loss up front. I think Wes > Shepard sent me this beauty. > The '62 Babe: Coaching for the Dodgers is one of my favorites. I > detailed it on my page way back in the 90's as a perfect example of > Tipton. I'm so old school that the page is probably still there > untouched with all my witty comments. Ha! > Another '62 card, Willie Mays, I'm sure Steve Rittenburg sent me this > about 10 or 12 years ago. Willie has a blue mustache but on the scan it > looks black. One of those hairs goes straight up his nostril, Ouch! > The next two scans are of a '65 Mick I sent to Geordie last month. I > have it from an reliable source that the pretty blue borders, (back), > are donated from a 1982 Donruss Moose Haas and Sanford Royal Blue > Sharpie. I really know nothing about this. I am pretty sure that after > receiving this card, Geordie, being so overwhelmed, felt he could never > re-compensate and therefore quit OBC. Later while holding the card, the > tape began to peel and the sharpie began to bleed and he no longer felt > unworthy of this card and rejoined OBC. Some surfer dude told me this > story and I believe it to be true. Correct me if I'm wrong Geordie. > Finally, I display a '53 Feller donated to me by James Moleta. Now this > card is just abused and I think it was done by a Yankee fan. If Bob > Feller were still alive and still signing a billion cards per year, I > would like to have paid a Yankee hat wearing dude a few bills just to > stand in Feller's line and get it signed. What a hoot! > Greg (yaz) ================= To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 06:00:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some card pics....attachments! From: Yaz Wait! I just thought of a better one. Kid's mad at his younger brother so he snatches his Sammy card, punches the wholes with Mom/Dad's hole punch, then slyly slides the Sammy back into his brother's stack of cards. Stay tuned to see what mayhem erupts when young Johnny discovers his favorite card's condition. Greg (yaz) On 1/13/2017 5:50 AM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I can think of a whole lot of scenarios involving this card but the > one that sticks in my mind involves the kid that sits in the back of > math class snatching the teacher's hole punch off her desk while she's > writing problems on the chalkboard. > Greg (yaz) > On 1/12/2017 2:51 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I've shown this one before--a 1952 Bowman large version (or what's >> left of it) Sammy Baugh. >> A classic and purchased for the grand sum of $1. >> peter mead >> On 01/11/17, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Aaron Shirley requested a look at the recent income I obtained from Nick >> Pelletier and so I shall. I thought I might also share a couple of other >> pictures of cards that have come my way. Whoever is running the OBC >> Tiptons on parade page, feel free to add these if they are worthy. >> First up is the '59 Mick that Aaron wants to see. Sent by Nick >> Pelletier, someone without imagination might think a hole punch was >> used. I tend to believe a .22 Springfield was the culprit. >> Next up I believe is the '55 Ted Williams which isn't a bad looking card >> really, just a little unintentional paper loss up front. I think Wes >> Shepard sent me this beauty. >> The '62 Babe: Coaching for the Dodgers is one of my favorites. I >> detailed it on my page way back in the 90's as a perfect example of >> Tipton. I'm so old school that the page is probably still there >> untouched with all my witty comments. Ha! >> Another '62 card, Willie Mays, I'm sure Steve Rittenburg sent me this >> about 10 or 12 years ago. Willie has a blue mustache but on the scan it >> looks black. One of those hairs goes straight up his nostril, Ouch! >> The next two scans are of a '65 Mick I sent to Geordie last month. I >> have it from an reliable source that the pretty blue borders, (back), >> are donated from a 1982 Donruss Moose Haas and Sanford Royal Blue >> Sharpie. I really know nothing about this. I am pretty sure that after >> receiving this card, Geordie, being so overwhelmed, felt he could never >> re-compensate and therefore quit OBC. Later while holding the card, the >> tape began to peel and the sharpie began to bleed and he no longer felt >> unworthy of this card and rejoined OBC. Some surfer dude told me this >> story and I believe it to be true. Correct me if I'm wrong Geordie. >> Finally, I display a '53 Feller donated to me by James Moleta. Now this >> card is just abused and I think it was done by a Yankee fan. If Bob >> Feller were still alive and still signing a billion cards per year, I >> would like to have paid a Yankee hat wearing dude a few bills just to >> stand in Feller's line and get it signed. What a hoot! >> Greg (yaz) ================= Date: 13 Jan 2017 04:18:56 -0800 To: Subject: Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 13 Jan 2017 05:29:31 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:49:33 +0000 Subject: Trying to get caught up From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:12:08 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: US Postage commemorative stamps From: Bob Saxton Here are a couple items up for grabs. US Postage commemorative stamps: Legendary Playing Fields. This is a 20 stamp pane of 34 cent stamps featuring the following ball parks: Tiger Stadium, Ebbets Field, Yankee Stadium, Crosley Field, Forbes Field, Polo Grounds, Comiskey Park, Fenway Park, Wrigley Field, Shibe Park.They are mint, never hinged, stamps intact in the pane. Backing has a brief description of each park. I have two panes to give Legends of Baseball: This is a 20 stamp pane of 33 cent stamps featuring the following players; Jackie Robinson, Eddie Collins, Christy Mathewson, Ty Cobb, George Sisler, Rogers Hornsby, Mickey Cochrane, Babe Ruth, Walter Johnson, Roberto Clemente, Lefty Grove, Tris Speaker, Cy Young, Jimmie Foxx, Pie Traynor, Satchel Paige, Honus Wagner, Josh Gibson, Dizzy Dean, Lou Gehrig. They are mint, never hinged, stamps intact in the pane and are mounted in a plastic easel-type display holder. First come first served, please include address with request. Bob Saxton ================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 21:53:17 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: It's the Weekend!!! Soooo...it must be Winter Weekend Waiver Wire From: chris tripler Just finished pulling my 1980T FB together, and still missing the 2 cards Iwas missing at the start. Greg Henthorn finished off the first football set!!! So, I have a couple starter sets if anyone cares to join me down the dark path of the 1980T Football set. First start set has 199 cards, and the second one has 110. If you have specific numbers you're looking for, I'll scavenge from the starter sets, so you're starter set might be missing a couple cards, ha ha... ------------------------------------------------And it's mid-60s weekend, so (not much...) 1964.#s 98, 160, 192, 206, 213, 228 1965.#s 75, 104, 112, 113, 141, 189, 273 1966.#s 8, 34, 40, 61, 101, 114, 122, 152, 162, 363 Sort of FCFS, I'll try and spread it around as best I can... Have a great weekend, OBC!!!! ================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 17:21:41 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 20 slot pages From: Rick I have been experimenting with the slurpee cups from scrap books to pages and I have come up with the 20 slot pages work the best. But I'm struggling to find an album to put the pages it. Anyone have any spare albums? Rick ================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 20:49:29 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 20 slot pages [1 Attachment] From: Matt Yudt Lol! No, but i do have a spare door in my garage! Sent from my iPhone - please excuse typos > On Jan 13, 2017, at 8:21 PM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > [Attachment(s) from Rick included below] > I have been experimenting with the slurpee cups from scrap books to pagesand I have come up with the 20 slot pages work the best. But I'm struggling to find an album to put the pages it. Anyone have any spare albums? Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 13 Jan 2017 22:35:48 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 54 topps robinson From: JDahms ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 07:05:13 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Joke of the Day From: Ken M Reminded of this one I heard a long time ago... A guy and his dog walk into a bar. The bartender says, "Hey, we don't allow dogs in here." Guy replies, "But this is a talking dog." "No way. Prove it and you can drink for free." The man says, "OK. How does sandpaper feel?" The dog says, "Ruff!" "What's over our heads?" "Roof!" replies the dog. "And who is the greatest baseball player of all time?" "Roof!" The bartender says, "Get out of here, you don't have a talking dog!" So the guy and his dog leave the bar. When they get outside, the dog says, "You think I should've said DiMaggio?" Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 10:17:44 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: "Vintage pic" -- Can you identify these OBCers? From: Doug DeJong OK, here are a couple clues. This photo is from 1998, and was taken at The Ballpark in Arlington. And, yes, I need some help with a few of the names myself so if you know, let me know! Doug DeJong ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:36:41 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Vintage pic" -- Can you identify these OBCers? From: Ken M Two definites, one maybe and three question marks... OBC cap - Doug SmithRangers cap - George HayRed Sox cap - Todd Knowles (I think)Not sure on the Tigers, Mariners or 'other' caps Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 10:25 AMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] "Vintage pic" -- Can you identify these OBCers? OK, here are a couple clues.  This photo is from 1998, and was taken at The Ballpark in Arlington.   And, yes, I need some help with a few of the names myself so if you know, let me know! Doug DeJong ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:51:02 -0500 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: Anson Whaley I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initially sent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowman or 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely sure since my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut me a slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by > dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the > message: > "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor > him for certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name > Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. > *John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join > OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help > me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into > retirement.* > *Ted Holden* > *AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards* " > OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member > recommendations. Are there any members out there who like to recommend Ted > for CD status? > Thanks! > Tom H. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 12:54:55 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Quick WAIVER WIRE - 1958 CFL Topps #30 Kelley From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Looks like these don't come up often, so I figured someone would like this card. I have a 1958 CFL Topps Kelley #30 on the waiver wire. Back has paper loss, but the front is nice. Let me know if you need it! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 13:11:53 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Content-Language: en I have bought cards from Orkdoolian on ebay. I think that is who Ted is. I cannot remember just what but I remember the name. I remember thinking I need to really need to make sure buy from this guy again. So, something went really well. Randy Welk In a message dated 1/14/2017 8:57:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initially sent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowman or 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely suresince my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut me a slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, _directorth@aol.com_ (mailto:directorth@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor him for certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into Ted Holden AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations. Are there any members out there who like to recommend Tedfor CD status? Tom H. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 18:21:53 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN From: Matthew Glidden http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-MANTLE-MARIS-POST-CEREAL-CARD-LOT-5-MANTLE-6-MARIS-low-grade-/272521176270?hash=item3f738724ce:g:8wYAAOSw2xRYeVS8 OBC says "buy two cards, you're doing the set" -- this is a pretty good pair to start with! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:17:11 +0000 Subject: Its been awhile.... Goals, favorites, and XMas thanks (not From: Jo Meyer and John Gray My friends, Over the holiday break I had the pleasure of taking a cruise with my wife, child and some good friends into the Caribbean. It was nice to get away from the snow and ice for almost ten days, with another two weeks spent with family in Florida on top of that. Still, this meant that I was away from home for the holiday festivities and missed my Secret Santo package until I returned late last week. So, overdue thanks go out to John Stamper for a nice package that included some uv wax to break (more on that in a future installment of my pack break program) and some amazing vintage, with nine 1968 Game cards for that new quest, two M.P. and Company cards (with Al Dark)and an Old London Pete Ward coin! In Florida, I did find my way into two card stores, with a 64 Mays coin for $5 being the big pick up at the one store, and nothing that can be spoken of here coming from the other. Still,our two year old boy was very good throughout, and that was even while popping his molars. He has already been on thirteen plane flights in his young life, with more to come in May when we head west to California for a conference at UC Davis. Now that I am back from the trip and getting caught up, I have to weigh in on a couple of things. First, my childhood favorite team was the Atlanta Braves, and I had a real fondness for Chris Chambliss, Bruce Benedict, and Dale Murphy (I got to wear his number three in little league). Now, I don't really follow any teams, but I do pull for the Tigers. In terms of favorite players, I have binders for Dick Howser, Vada Pinson, and Carlton Fisk. Second, in my collection a card goes in the player binder first, with the second card going in the set itself. If one card is better than the other, it goes in the set, as those cards are taken better care of in my world. Third, my goals for last year were a bit of a mixed bag: Cut the Topps run down by nine to 35 left.... DONE I picked up a dozen! Cut Bowman run down to 21 with 18 hits.... FAIL, I only picked up eight! Get 18 more T205s.... FAIL, I only picked up eight! Cut Red Man run in half from 70 to 35..... DONE, with 38 picked up! Finish my Kellogg's run with 37.... FAIL, as I still need 14! Finish the 36 Goudey set with last four.... DONE! Cut Wilson Franks from 8 to 5.... FAIL, but two out of three ain't bad! Get one of the last four Fatima team cards.... DONE! Cut 56 Topps pins in half from 31 to 15.... FAIL, as I picked up five! Send out 100+ RAOK.... FAIL, as I only have down two dozen. I think I sent more than that, but I doubt it was over 50 for the year..... Still, it was a great year for collecting, as I added a bunch of new sets, including most of the Venezuelan run, and I am really enjoying seeking out the rarer lesser seen items (such as the Sohio Indians set I started and almost finished last year). As for 2017, my goals include..... 100 ROAK One of the last three Fatima team cards 200 vintage OPC hits Finish the 69 Topps decal set with Jackson and Rose Finish the 51 Blue Back set with Doerr Finish the Kellogg's run with the last 14 Finish Red Man run with the last 32 Twelve more T205s Bowman run by eleven down to 20 Topps run down by 12 to 20 Thanks for reading this far - I hope everyone is starting off the New Year with joy and health! Be happy, John Scott Gray Sent from Outlook ================= To: "'Anson Whaley'" , Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 11:16:51 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: "Grant Rainsley" After looking at Ted=E2=99s Ebay page, I had a conversation with John Edward (who had put his name forward) and then decided to contact him. My concern was the PSA cards and many of the prices made me think I was looking at Dean=E2=99s Cards. I sent an email basically saying that most of us were low-grade heathens, and in my own case I am delighted with anything in the vicinity of a 2, and much less for stars, without the slab. He responded quickly and politely=E2=A6=E2=A6..saying that he tends to list his higher grade stuff on eBay, since eBay/PayPal eat up any profit margin there might be for low grade cards, thus leaving him the outlet of private sales for his lower grade stuff, and he says he has lots of it, and wants to move it. His explanation made perfect sense to me. Bottom line- I sent him my list for =E2=9956 (small) and =E2=9957 (much larger), just to see what he can do. I made it clear I don=E2=99t wayto pay big bucks to put a high grade star into a low grade set. He responded with =E2=9CI will see what I can do as a test. Make sure to include card number and condition needs and I will send you some pricing.=E2=9D I told him to take his time. I=E2=99ll let you know what I get back. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 8:51 AM To: Tom Housley Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initiallysent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowmanor 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely sure since my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut mea slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different experiences. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the message: "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor himfor certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into retirement. Ted Holden AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations.Are there any members out there who like to recommend Ted for CD status? Tom H. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:34:44 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN From: Mike Glasser Anyone have opinions on this card, real or reprint http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-JOHNNY-UNITAS-ROOKIE-CARD-/272521958220?hashitem3f7393134c:g:10AAAOSwjDZYel8n Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN I saw this earlier today--and thought somebody carried that Mantle in their back pocket folded in half. On 01/14/17, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-MANTLE-MARIS-POST-CEREAL-CARD-LOT-5-MANTLE-6-MARIS-low-grade-/272521176270?hashitem3f738724 OBC says "buy two cards, you're doing the set" -- this is a pretty good pair to start with! ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 14:40:16 -0500 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN From: chris tripler It's always a red flag when you see "I don't know if it's a reprint or not..." Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Anyone have opinions on this card, real or reprint > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-JOHNNY-UNITAS-ROOKIE-CARD-/272521958220?hashitem3f7393134c:g:10AAAOSwjDZYel8n > Thx > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN > I saw this earlier today--and thought somebody carried that Mantle in their back pocket folded in half. > On 01/14/17, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-MANTLE-MARIS-POST-CEREAL-CARD-LOT-5-MANTLE-6-MARIS-low-grade-/272521176270?hashitem3f738724 > OBC says "buy two cards, you're doing the set" -- this is a pretty good pair to start with! > Spike ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 19:59:13 +0000 To: Mike Glasser , hoot_owl1@verizon.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN From: Bob Donaldson When they say "unsure selling as reprint per eBay rules " It's a reprint On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 2:35 PM Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Anyone have opinions on this card, real or reprint > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-JOHNNY-UNITAS-ROOKIE-CARD-/272521958220?hashitem3f7393134c:g:10AAAOSwjDZYel8n > Thx > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN > I saw this earlier today--and thought somebody carried that Mantle in > their back pocket folded in half. > On 01/14/17, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-MANTLE-MARIS-POST-CEREAL-CARD-LOT-5-MANTLE-6-MARIS-low-grade-/272521176270?hashitem3f738724 > ce:g:8wYAAOSw2xRYeVS8 > > OBC says "buy two cards, you're doing the set" -- this is a pretty good > pair to start with! > Spike ================= Date: 14 Jan 2017 12:57:38 -0800 To: Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 16:28:19 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I would have thought you would be more interested in the Royal Dessert cards. If anyone wins the Berk Ross lot, I could use a few and would be willing to split the lot. Similarly, on the Bread lot, I only need the Easter card, and would split that as well. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 3:30 pm Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested He does have some nice lower-medium condition oddball lots currently on ebay 13-1952 Berk Ross--starting bid $25 17-1951 Berk Ross--starting bid $25 3- different bread cards (including a nice 1958 Bond Bread Luke Easter)--starting bid $24 (and my Easter is a beater) and a 7-card type lot that includes a couple of R346 blue tints, a LaJoie game card, a 1958 Hires Hank Aaron, a Tattoo Orbit, a Oriole zip card--bid is at $50 (which I would buy the Aaron for and think I got a deal). http://www.ebay.com/itm/311777835449?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/311777833812?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/311777833812?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT http://www.ebay.com/itm/311777834241?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT On 01/14/17, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] After looking at Ted=E2=99s Ebay page, I had a conversation with John Edward (who had put his name forward) and then decided to contact him. My concern was the PSA cards and many of the prices made me think I was looking at Dean=E2=99s Cards. I sent an email basically saying that most of us were low-grade heathens, and in my own case I am delighted with anything in the vicinity of a 2, and much less for stars, without the slab. He responded quickly and politely=E2=A6=E2=A6..saying that he tends to list his higher grade stuff on eBay, since eBay/PayPal eat up any profit margin there might be for low grade cards, thus leaving him the outlet of private sales for his lower grade stuff, and he says he has lots of it, and wants to move it. His explanation made perfect sense to me. Bottom line- I sent him my list for =E2=9956 (small) and =E2=9957 (much larger), just to see what he can do. I made it clear I don=E2=99t wayto pay big bucks to put a high grade star into a low grade set. He responded with =E2=9CI will see what I can do as a test. Make sure to include card number and condition needs and I will send you some pricing.=E2=9D I told him to take his time. I=E2=99ll let you know what I get back. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anson Whaley ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 8:51 AM To: Tom Housley Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initiallysent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowmanor 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely sure since my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut mea slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different experiences. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the message: "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor himfor certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into retirement. Ted Holden AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations.Are there any members out there who like to recommend Ted for CD status? Tom H. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 16:44:32 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: WAIVER WIRE- Let's Move these! From: Jake Brewer Decent sized waiver wire offering here, heavy on the 60s! Time to give backto the OBC Family, claim away! '54B: 56(paper loss front) '59T: 355 '60T: 44, 48, 80, 180(paper loss front) '61T: 4, 12, 13, 108, 124, 148, 163, 195, 227, 251, 267, 323 '62T: 62(mark on front) '64T: 31, 31(paper loss front), 54, 72, 156, 198(mark on front) '65T: 118 '66T: 2, 5, 24, 29, 45, 51, 56, 61 (mark on back), 74, 81, 84, 93, 107, 108, 123, 141, 144 (mark on front) 154, 178, 192, 203 (mark on front), 205 (mark on front), 233, 404 (major marking front & back) '67T: 9, 59, 71 x2, 88, 96, 114, 129, 136, 171, 176, 177(surface wear), 196(paper loss front), 223, 224, 227, 233, 274 (paper loss front), 344, 345, 375, 425 (mark front), 431 (mark front), 435 (mark front) '68T: 8(mark), 12(miscut), 18, 19(stain), 28(mark on front), 38, 62, 93, 105(paper loss front), 109(stain), 218, 219, 241, 242, 243, 248 x2, 249, 258(miscut), 261, 267, 283, 284, 292, 297, 300(paper loss front), 342, 436 '69T: 19, 38, 38(paper loss front), 48, 53, 59, 62, 76, 84 x2, 89, 94(mark on front), 97, 107, 117, 132, 139, 158, 332, 386, 387(miscut), 407, 147, 139, '69 Deckle Edge: 2, 6, 11, 28 '70T: 38(glue on back), 83 x2 -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 14 Jan 2017 14:48:08 -0800 To: Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 18:16:23 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback From: JDahms ================= Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 21:16:15 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Agreed, and the paper doesn't look right. The corners look too round and smooth. Most of the older cards will show more fibers sticking out of it. That and some separating of the layers of cardboard. Oh yeah, and a crappy picture of a big card almost always spells "reprint". Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/14/2017 2:40:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: It's always a red flag when you see "I don't know if it's a reprint or Sent from my iPhone On Jan 14, 2017, at 2:34 PM, Mike Glasser _miglasser@aol.com_ (mailto:miglasser@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Anyone have opinions on this card, real or reprint http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-JOHNNY-UNITAS-ROOKIE-CARD-/272521958220?hashit Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: _hoot_owl1@verizon.net_ (mailto:hoot_owl1@verizon.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > To: obc-ramblings <_obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Sat, Jan 14, 2017 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Post Mantle & Maris OBC grade for $13 BIN I saw this earlier today--and thought somebody carried that Mantle in their back pocket folded in half. On 01/14/17, Matthew Glidden _glidden.matthew@gmail.com_ (mailto:glidden.matthew@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-MANTLE-MARIS-POST-CEREAL-CARD-LOT-5-MANTLE-6-M ARIS-low-grade-/272521176270?hashitem3f738724 ce:g:8wYAAOSw2xRYeVS8_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-MANTLE-MARIS-POST-CEREAL-CARD-LOT-5-MANTLE-6-MARIS- OBC says "buy two cards, you're doing the set" -- this is a pretty good pair to start with! ================= Date: 14 Jan 2017 18:49:02 -0800 To: Subject: OPC lot on the bay From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 22:36:19 -0500 Subject: saturday card fix; tip top berra From: "Matt Yudt" Went to Zern's farmers market today - definitely within the T of Pennsylvania cultural maps, and a little over an hour northwest of downtown philly, but pretty close for me. A dying breed of markets, and this one is now on sale too, after 94 years of operation. A guy named Greg Bickta has a stand, Greg's Vintage Vinyl & Sportscards, and I try and visit every few months, he's only there on Saturdays. Tiny place, but as the name suggests, always great music playing and fresh cards to look through - Glenn, you would love this. His ebay id is 'imfinallyon' and he showed me the lots of low grade late 60's he just auctioned, and I wondered if any of us were the victors. I didn't have a lot of time as I had my daughter and her friend (13 year olds) were along, and I knew after the pet shop, they wouldn't be having as much fun as I. I was disappointed, the binder that had a chunk of kellogs that I noticed just as I was leaving last time, turned out to be all 79-83 varieties, of which I didn't need. He has a lot of football, but I really wanted to get some baseball hits and I'm not comfortable yet with football prices having just started this, so better to just 'browse' that. I only spent $50 - on 6 cards. (Just bought an OPC lot of 1970 baseball on ebay yesterday and don't want to bust the Jan card budget already). I got 4 posts - 2 Aarons and 2 Mays - a 61 and 62 of each, and a 59 Koufax, and the last is probably the best deal - the 67 Red Sox team card - a dreaded hi# 604. I paid $12 minus ~8%, knowing this was low. When I checked my 'research' from ebay sold listings the range was $30-70. So that felt good. Not used to averaging over $8 card, but I know if I want to complete some sets and get that topps run down, its going take a lot more than that. Call it a warm-up. Greg does a show down in Delaware usually every month, and mentioned all the non-sports he sold. Turns out one of the guys is Mike Glasser! Greg doesn't do a whole lot of non-sports and what he had was from a larger sports collection he bought. Sounded like Mike was helpful to HIM, regarding value of some of what he had. Gotta love OBC. Finally, I almost forgot, he seemed to get excited to mention he just got 4 off grade 1947 Tip Top bread Yogi Berra cards, that he would sell for $75. Looks like that's about 15% book - here's a photo - let me know if anyone is interested. I would love an excuse to go back next Saturday. Wow, that was morgan-esque rambling. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Matt Yudt ================= To: , Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2017 23:51:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] From: "Matt Yudt" Hi Brian =E2=93 yes, he had 4 of them. Maybe I could get him to $65 if anyone else wants one and a buy a couple, and I spend another $50-100 on other stuff. I=E2=99ll keep you posted late next week. From: familytoad@comcast.net [mailto:familytoad@comcast.net] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 11:14 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] Hi Matt...I am interested in the Tip Top Yogi...did you say he had 4 of them? Tip Tops were heavily reprinted, but that picture you shared looks real. 75 looks fair as well, although a little lower would be even better LOL. If you are going next week, let me know... OBC forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 14, 2017 at 7:38 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Matt Yudt included below] Went to Zern=E2=99s farmers market today =E2=93 definitely within theT of Pennsylvania cultural maps, and a little over an hour northwest of downtown philly, but pretty close for me. A dying breed of markets, and thisone is now on sale too, after 94 years of operation. A guy named Greg Bickta has a stand, Greg=E2=99s Vintage Vinyl & Sportscards, and I try and visit every few months, he=E2=99s only there on Saturdays. Tiny place, but as the name suggests, always great music playing and fresh cards to look through =E2=93 Glenn, you would love this. His ebay id is =E2imfinallyon=E2=99 and he showed me the lots of low grade late 60=E2=99she just auctioned, and I wondered if any of us were the victors. I didn=E2=99t have a lot of time as I had my daughter and her friend (13 year olds) were along, and I knew after the pet shop, they wouldn=E2=99t be having as much fun as I. I was disappointed, the binder that had a chunk ofkellogs that I noticed just as I was leaving last time, turned out to be all 79-83 varieties, of which I didn=E2=99t need. He has a lot of football, but I really wanted to get some baseball hits and I=E2=99m not comfortable yet with football prices having just started this, so better to just=E2browse=E2=99 that. I only spent $50 =E2=93 on 6 cards. (Just bought an OPC lot of 1970 baseball on ebay yesterday and don=E2=99t want to bust the Jan card budget already). I got 4 posts =E2=93 2 Aarons and 2 Mays =E2=93 a 61 and 62 of each, and a 59 Koufax, and the last is probably the best deal =E2=93 the 67 Red Sox team card =E2=93 a dreaded hi# 604. I paid $12 minus ~8%, knowing this was low. When I checked my =E2research=E2=99 from ebay sold listings the range was $30-70.So that felt good. Not used to averaging over $8 card, but I know if I want to complete some sets and get that topps run down, its going take a lotmore than that. Call it a warm-up. Greg does a show down in Delaware usually every month, and mentioned all the non-sports he sold. Turns out one of the guys is Mike Glasser! Greg doesn=E2=99t do a whole lot of non-sports and what he had was from a larger sports collection he bought. Sounded like Mike was helpful to HIM, regarding value of some of what he had. Gotta love OBC. Finally, I almost forgot, he seemed to get excited to mention he just got 4off grade 1947 Tip Top bread Yogi Berra cards, that he would sell for $75.Looks like that=E2=99s about 15% book =E2=93 here=E2=99s a photo=E2=93 let me know if anyone is interested. I would love an excuse to go back next Saturday=E2=A6 Wow, that was morgan-esque rambling. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Matt Yudt ================= To: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 00:02:29 -0500 Subject: Waiver - 62T Babe as boy: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip From: "Matt Yudt" I knew I was missing a card purchase in my Ramble. Picked up a 62T #135 Babe as Boy and it turns out to be another green tint, and I need the non-greenie. Second time I did this! So, anyone want it?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:36 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Matt Yudt included below] Went to Zern's farmers market today - definitely within the T of Pennsylvania cultural maps, and a little over an hour northwest of downtown philly, but pretty close for me. A dying breed of markets, and this one is now on sale too, after 94 years of operation. A guy named Greg Bickta has a stand, Greg's Vintage Vinyl & Sportscards, and I try and visit every few months, he's only there on Saturdays. Tiny place, but as the name suggests, always great music playing and fresh cards to look through - Glenn, you would love this. His ebay id is 'imfinallyon' and he showed me the lots of low grade late 60's he just auctioned, and I wondered if any of us were the victors. I didn't have a lot of time as I had my daughter and her friend (13 year olds) were along, and I knew after the pet shop, they wouldn't be having as much fun as I. I was disappointed, the binder that had a chunk of kellogs that I noticed just as I was leaving last time, turned out to be all 79-83 varieties, of which I didn't need. He has a lot of football, but I really wanted to get some baseball hits and I'm not comfortable yet with football prices having just started this, so better to just 'browse' that. I only spent $50 - on 6 cards. (Just bought an OPC lot of 1970 baseball on ebay yesterday and don't want to bust the Jan card budget already). I got 4 posts - 2 Aarons and 2 Mays - a 61 and 62 of each, and a 59 Koufax, and the last is probably the best deal - the 67 Red Sox team card - a dreaded hi# 604. I paid $12 minus ~8%, knowing this was low. When I checked my 'research' from ebay sold listings the range was $30-70. So that felt good. Not used to averaging over $8 card, but I know if I want to complete some sets and get that topps run down, its going take a lot more than that. Call it a warm-up. Greg does a show down in Delaware usually every month, and mentioned all the non-sports he sold. Turns out one of the guys is Mike Glasser! Greg doesn't do a whole lot of non-sports and what he had was from a larger sports collection he bought. Sounded like Mike was helpful to HIM, regarding value of some of what he had. Gotta love OBC. Finally, I almost forgot, he seemed to get excited to mention he just got 4 off grade 1947 Tip Top bread Yogi Berra cards, that he would sell for $75. Looks like that's about 15% book - here's a photo - let me know if anyone is interested. I would love an excuse to go back next Saturday. Wow, that was morgan-esque rambling. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Matt Yudt ================= To: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 00:12:02 -0500 Subject: GONE - RE: Waiver - 62T Babe as boy: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday From: "Matt Yudt" That was fast (West Coaster advantage). Babe is claimed. So far two potentials for the Tip Top Berra. Maybe I can get him even lower if I buy all 4. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:02 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waiver - 62T Babe as boy: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra I knew I was missing a card purchase in my Ramble. Picked up a 62T #135 Babe as Boy and it turns out to be another green tint, and I need the non-greenie. Second time I did this! So, anyone want it?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:36 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Matt Yudt included below] Went to Zern's farmers market today - definitely within the T of Pennsylvania cultural maps, and a little over an hour northwest of downtown philly, but pretty close for me. A dying breed of markets, and this one is now on sale too, after 94 years of operation. A guy named Greg Bickta has a stand, Greg's Vintage Vinyl & Sportscards, and I try and visit every few months, he's only there on Saturdays. Tiny place, but as the name suggests, always great music playing and fresh cards to look through - Glenn, you would love this. His ebay id is 'imfinallyon' and he showed me the lots of low grade late 60's he just auctioned, and I wondered if any of us were the victors. I didn't have a lot of time as I had my daughter and her friend (13 year olds) were along, and I knew after the pet shop, they wouldn't be having as much fun as I. I was disappointed, the binder that had a chunk of kellogs that I noticed just as I was leaving last time, turned out to be all 79-83 varieties, of which I didn't need. He has a lot of football, but I really wanted to get some baseball hits and I'm not comfortable yet with football prices having just started this, so better to just 'browse' that. I only spent $50 - on 6 cards. (Just bought an OPC lot of 1970 baseball on ebay yesterday and don't want to bust the Jan card budget already). I got 4 posts - 2 Aarons and 2 Mays - a 61 and 62 of each, and a 59 Koufax, and the last is probably the best deal - the 67 Red Sox team card - a dreaded hi# 604. I paid $12 minus ~8%, knowing this was low. When I checked my 'research' from ebay sold listings the range was $30-70. So that felt good. Not used to averaging over $8 card, but I know if I want to complete some sets and get that topps run down, its going take a lot more than that. Call it a warm-up. Greg does a show down in Delaware usually every month, and mentioned all the non-sports he sold. Turns out one of the guys is Mike Glasser! Greg doesn't do a whole lot of non-sports and what he had was from a larger sports collection he bought. Sounded like Mike was helpful to HIM, regarding value of some of what he had. Gotta love OBC. Finally, I almost forgot, he seemed to get excited to mention he just got 4 off grade 1947 Tip Top bread Yogi Berra cards, that he would sell for $75. Looks like that's about 15% book - here's a photo - let me know if anyone is interested. I would love an excuse to go back next Saturday. Wow, that was morgan-esque rambling. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Matt Yudt ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 07:58:26 +0000 (UTC) To: "" , "" Subject: Trading 1934 Goudey? From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= To: Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 05:29:36 -0600 Subject: 74' Topps gremlin alert From: "Ken & Linda" Gremlin alert from the 74' Topps baseball checklist ** set needs..........thought I had the whole master set...."no dice".......found an open spot where the Detroit Tigers checklist should be. Any help? Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 ================= Date: 15 Jan 2017 07:46:42 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 74' Topps gremlin alert From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:17:21 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en What about if we did a trial run to see what kind of things he would offer? Just give us a taste of what he has for us... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/15/2017 12:21:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I've bought from Ted before (mostly 1952s). Not always the cheapest prices (although usually not that bad) - good guy and no hassles. I'd buy him again if I ever saw something I needed. On Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:11 AM, "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I have bought cards from Orkdoolian on ebay. I think that is who Ted is. I cannot remember just what but I remember the name. I remember thinking I need to really need to make sure buy from this guy again. So, something went really well. Randy Welk In a message dated 1/14/2017 8:57:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initially sent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowman or 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely suresince my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut me a slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, _directorth@aol.com_ (mailto:directorth@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor him for certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into Ted Holden AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations. Are there any members out there who like to recommend Tedfor CD status? Tom H. ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:20:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: Ed Hutchinson It seems like everyone agrees Ted is a decent guy (havent bought from him) so I guess my question is, what do we have to lose? If his prices are too high, we simply wont buy from him- I can think of no reason not to ask a good dealer to join our group- it could be mutually beneficial- and at the worst, neither side is negatively afftected in any way! On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 12:14 PM, Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi, > I've bought from Ted before (mostly 1952s). Not always the cheapest > prices (although usually not that bad) - good guy and no hassles. I'd buy > from him again if I ever saw something I needed. > Cheers, > Patrick > On Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:11 AM, "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: > I have bought cards from Orkdoolian on ebay. I think that is who Ted is. I > cannot remember just what but I remember the name. I remember thinking I > need to really need to make sure buy from this guy again. So, something > went really well. > Randy Welk > In a message dated 1/14/2017 8:57:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I > initially sent it only to him. > I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. > He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowman > or 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely sure since > my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I > bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut > me a slight deal on one sale. > Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different > experiences. > Anson > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by > dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the > message: > "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor > him for certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name > Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. > *John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join > OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help > me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into > retirement.* > *Ted Holden* > *AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards* " > OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member > recommendations. Are there any members out there who like to recommend Ted > for CD status? > Thanks! > Tom H. ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:32:26 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: JEdward@aol.com Content-Language: en A trial run is a good idea, in fact Grant is already doing that. I suggest we wait to hear back from Grant. John McLaughlin In a message dated 1/15/2017 2:17:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: What about if we did a trial run to see what kind of things he would offer? Just give us a taste of what he has for us... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/15/2017 12:21:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I've bought from Ted before (mostly 1952s). Not always the cheapest prices (although usually not that bad) - good guy and no hassles. I'd buy him again if I ever saw something I needed. On Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:11 AM, "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I have bought cards from Orkdoolian on ebay. I think that is who Ted is. I cannot remember just what but I remember the name. I remember thinking I need to really need to make sure buy from this guy again. So, something went really well. Randy Welk In a message dated 1/14/2017 8:57:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initially sent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowman or 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely suresince my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut me a slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor him for certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into Ted Holden AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations. Are there any members out there who like to recommend Tedfor CD status? Tom H. ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 14:42:49 -0500 To: JEdward@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: Jake Brewer Yes, let us know how it goes. I'll be in the market for some '53T & '55T soon! -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2017, at 2:32 PM, JEdward@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sal, > A trial run is a good idea, in fact Grant is already doing that. I suggest we wait to hear back from Grant. > John McLaughlin > In a message dated 1/15/2017 2:17:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > What about if we did a trial run to see what kind of things he would offer? Just give us a taste of what he has for us... > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 1/15/2017 12:21:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Hi, > I've bought from Ted before (mostly 1952s). Not always the cheapest prices (although usually not that bad) - good guy and no hassles. I'd buy from him again if I ever saw something I needed. > Cheers, > Patrick > On Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:11 AM, "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > I have bought cards from Orkdoolian on ebay. I think that is who Ted is. I cannot remember just what but I remember the name. I remember thinking I need to really need to make sure buy from this guy again. So, something went really well. > Randy Welk > In a message dated 1/14/2017 8:57:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initially sent it only to him. > I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowman or 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely sure since my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut me a slight deal on one sale. > Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different experiences. > Anson > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's themessage: > "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor him for certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. > John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into retirement. > Ted Holden > AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " > OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations. Are there any members out there who like to recommend Ted for CD status? > Thanks! > Tom H. ================= To: , Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 11:54:47 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: "Grant Rainsley" I will most definitely provide a debrief, but I did tell him there was no rush. But he certainly sounded interested, so I expect his response soon. Report to follow, along with price lists for the =E2=9956 and =E2=9957 lists I sent him=E2=A6.. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JEdward@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 11:32 AM To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested A trial run is a good idea, in fact Grant is already doing that. I suggestwe wait to hear back from Grant. John McLaughlin In a message dated 1/15/2017 2:17:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com What about if we did a trial run to see what kind of things he would offer?Just give us a taste of what he has for us... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/15/2017 12:21:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com I've bought from Ted before (mostly 1952s). Not always the cheapest prices(although usually not that bad) - good guy and no hassles. I'd buy from him again if I ever saw something I needed. On Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:11 AM, "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] " I have bought cards from Orkdoolian on ebay. I think that is who Ted is. I cannot remember just what but I remember the name. I remember thinking I need to really need to make sure buy from this guy again. So, something went really Randy Welk In a message dated 1/14/2017 8:57:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com I was encouraged by Tom to post this message in the group since I initiallysent it only to him. I have had only some minor dealings with Ted via eBay, but they went well. He was cordial via messages and helpful. He sold me either some 1951 Bowmanor 1933 Goudey cards when I was completing sets - not entirely sure since my dealings with him were a while back. Not high-dollar purchases but I bought a few cards from him. And if memory serves me correctly, he even cut mea slight deal on one sale. Not sure if anyone else has dealt with him or had some different experiences. On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:18 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I received an e-mail from John McLaughlin yesterday; he was contacted by dealer Ted Holden of Ted's Vintage Spportscards in Ada Michigan. Here's the message: "Ted Holden, owner of Teds Vintage Sportscards asked if I would sponsor himfor certified dealer status. Ted sells on ebay under the name Orkdoolian. I have pasted part of his email below. John: I know you have purchased from me before. I would like to join OBC, and perhaps become a certified dealer. Will you be a sponsor and help me. I want to offer some nice discounts to OBC members as I slide into retirement. Ted Holden AKA OrkDoolian, Teds Vintage Sportscards " OBC rules state that a Certified Dealer must have 5 member recommendations.Are there any members out there who like to recommend Ted for CD status? Tom H. ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 18:50:43 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Vintage pic" -- Can you identify these OBCers? From: Doug DeJong Definitely Doug Smith and George Hay, and I think you are correct on Todd Knowles. I am in the front right on the right (recognize the Kirby Puckett t-shirt from the night the Twins retired his number). For the life of me though I cannot remember the others. Doug DeJong On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 11:36 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Two definites, one maybe and three question marks... > OBC cap - Doug Smith > Rangers cap - George Hay > Red Sox cap - Todd Knowles (I think) > Not sure on the Tigers, Mariners or 'other' caps > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > *From: *Doug DeJong ddejong17@gmail.com <+ddejong17@gmail.com> > [OBC-Ramblings] > *Date: *Sat, Jan 14, 2017 10:25 AM > *To: *OBC Ramblings; > *Cc: * > *Subject:*[OBC-Ramblings] "Vintage pic" -- Can you identify these OBCers? > OK, here are a couple clues. This photo is from 1998, and was taken at > The Ballpark in Arlington. > And, yes, I need some help with a few of the names myself so if you know, > let me know! > Doug DeJong ================= Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2017 16:04:09 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "Vintage pic" -- Can you identify these OBCers? From: Larry Tipton I can't even see the picture? Can you send it to my email Doug? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 15 Jan 2017 19:22:37 -0800 To: Subject: Dealer Scum- 1965 starter. From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: 15 Jan 2017 19:41:30 -0800 To: Subject: 1961 Topps one color back From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 15:23:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:37:43 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: Ken M I'm thinking you should sell it to Toppsaholic for a grand. It's a 1/1!! :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 AMTo: mikesportsfan@aol.com;Cc: billingtw@sbcglobal.net;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight Jay Tysver On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process.  Some people refer to these as printers proofs.  I have seen displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process.  I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: JTysver1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments]  [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below]Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here?  The Harry Bright is similar.  Left out in the sun? Tom Billing <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico Fernandez. It's just the black ink.How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back?Has anyone seen others? ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:37:43 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: Ken M I'm thinking you should sell it to Toppsaholic for a grand. It's a 1/1!! :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 AMTo: mikesportsfan@aol.com;Cc: billingtw@sbcglobal.net;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight Jay Tysver On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process.  Some people refer to these as printers proofs.  I have seen displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process.  I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: JTysver1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments]  [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below]Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here?  The Harry Bright is similar.  Left out in the sun? Tom Billing <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico Fernandez. It's just the black ink.How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back?Has anyone seen others? ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:43:37 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: "Thomas W. Billing" But first, you have to listen to him ramble on and on on the phone to make his case, whatever THAT is. Tom Billing > On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:37 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I'm thinking you should sell it to Toppsaholic for a grand. It's a 1/1!! :-) > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: JAY TYSVERJTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 AM > To: mikesportsfan@aol.com ; > Cc: billingtw@sbcglobal.net ;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight > Jay Tysver > On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process. Some people refer to these as printers proofs. I have seen displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process. >> I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > >> To: JTysver1 > >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings > >> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments] >> [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] >> Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here ? The Harry Bright is similar. Left out in the sun? >> Tom Billing >> <1961 #112 Fernandez.jp g><1961 #447 Bright RV.jp g> >> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico Fernandez. It's just the black ink. >> How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back? >> Has anyone seen others? ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 10:51:26 -0500 To: jtysver1@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: mikesportsfan@aol.com For printing (and other times, purposes black is a color. -----Original Message----- From: JAY TYSVER To: mikesportsfan Cc: billingtw ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight Jay Tysver On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process. Some people refer to these as printers proofs. I have seen displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process. I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: JTysver1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here? The Harry Bright is similar. Left out in the sun? Tom Billing <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico Fernandez. It's just the black ink. How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back? Has anyone seen others? ================= To: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 07:50:34 -0800 Subject: Re: Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: "George Vrechek" I have purchased from him on eBay several times over the years and have had no problems and prices were fine. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 11:31:56 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: chris tripler Technically, it's the absence of color. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:51 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Jay, > For printing (and other times, purposes black is a color. > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: JAY TYSVER > To: mikesportsfan > Cc: billingtw ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight > Jay Tysver > On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process. Some people refer to these as printers proofs. I have seen displayswhere the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process. > I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: JTysver1 > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments] > [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] > Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here? The Harry Bright is similar. Left out in the sun? > Tom Billing > <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- ChicoFernandez. It's just the black ink. > How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back? > Has anyone seen others? ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 08:59:44 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Does Ted set up at card shows? Is he buying new collections to keep his inventory fresh? Or is this a one time clean out my low grade stuff? Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , chris tripler Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:03:40 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: Taylor Schock ================= To: Taylor Schock , "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:08:42 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 13:05:27 -0800 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: John Stamper "There are a lot of long words in there, Chris; we're naught but humble pirates. What is it that you want?" Thought of this Pirates of the Caribbean quote while reading about colors today. John Stamper > On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:16 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was thinking more in terms of physics (you are correct about the absence of light, Taylor), but strictly speaking white contains all the colors that can be viewed by the human-eye in visible light spectrum of the larger electromagnetic spectrum (light in the 430 to 770 nm wavelength). These colors can be differentiated by their defined wavelengths (e.g. blue is about 475nm) or seen separated by a prism that bends light into its constituent parts by slowing down the light wave in each part of the visible spectrum. Hence, black, without light, there can be nothing to separate and hence is essentially "nothing" or "color-less", like most of space > I acknowledge that the term "black" when painting, adjusting pictures on computers, fill a print cartridge, are a colorist (like a couple of our OBCbrethern are), or a lay-person not versed in the nuance of science definitions; then, yes, it is a "color". I use the term black when talking about color. > For the discussion point, I was attempting to be snarky. > :) > Trip > On Monday, January 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Not quite true. Black is the absence of light, but the combination of allcolors, hence why black has it's own ink. > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:31 AM > To: mikesportsfan@aol.com > Cc: jtysver1@msn.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > Technically, it's the absence of color. > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:51 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Jay, >> For printing (and other times, purposes black is a color. >> Mike >> -----Original Message----- >> From: JAY TYSVER >> To: mikesportsfan >> Cc: billingtw ; OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 am >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back >> Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight >> Jay Tysver >> On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process. Some people refer to these as printers proofs. I have seen displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process. >> I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: JTysver1 >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments] >> [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] >> Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here? The Harry Bright is similar. Left out in the sun? >> Tom Billing >> <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> >> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico Fernandez. It's just the black ink. >> How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back? >> Has anyone seen others? > ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:12:09 -0500 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I think in the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, today, we should not see colors. All cards are equal in OBC... ...except UV and Non-sports, they both suck...=89 On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > "There are a lot of long words in there, Chris; we're naught but humble > pirates. What is it that you want?" > Thought of this Pirates of the Caribbean quote while reading about colors > today. > John Stamper > On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:16 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was thinking more in terms of physics (you are correct about the absence > of light, Taylor), but strictly speaking *white* contains all the colors > that can be viewed by the human-eye in visible light spectrum of the larger > electromagnetic spectrum (light in the 430 to 770 nm wavelength). These > colors can be differentiated by their defined wavelengths (e.g. blue is > about 475nm) or seen separated by a prism that bends light into its > constituent parts by slowing down the light wave in each part of the > visible spectrum. Hence, *black, *without light, there can be nothing to > separate and hence is essentially "nothing" or "color-less", like most of > space > I acknowledge that the term "black" when painting, adjusting pictures on > computers, fill a print cartridge, are a colorist (like a couple of our OBC > brethern are), or a lay-person not versed in the nuance of science > definitions; then, yes, it is a "color". I use the term black when talking > about color. > For the discussion point, I was attempting to be snarky. > :) > Trip > On Monday, January 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Taylor Schock > taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Not quite true. Black is the absence of *light*, but the combination of * > all colors*, hence why black has it's own ink. > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Monday, January 16, 2017 11:31 AM > *To:* mikesportsfan@aol.com > *Cc:* jtysver1@msn.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > Technically, it's the absence of color. > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:51 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Jay, > For printing (and other times, purposes black is a color. > Mike > -----Original Message----- > From: JAY TYSVER > To: mikesportsfan > Cc: billingtw ; OBC-Ramblings < > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight > Jay Tysver > On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing > process. Some people refer to these as printers proofs. I have seen > displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially > each step of the printing process. > I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color > never was printed on the card. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: JTysver1 > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments] > [Attachment(s) from > Thomas W. Billing included below] > Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here? The Harry Bright is > similar. Left out in the sun? > Tom Billing > <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> > On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico > Fernandez. It's just the black ink. > How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back? > Has anyone seen others? > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:16:33 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: Mike Glasser Send me all of your non-sport cards in that case... Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: John Stamper Cc: chris tripler ; Taylor Schock ; mikesportsfan ; jtysver1 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back I think in the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, today, we should not see colors. All cards are equal in OBC... ...except UV and Non-sports, they both suck...=89 On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: "There are a lot of long words in there, Chris; we're naught but humble pirates. What is it that you want?" Thought of this Pirates of the Caribbean quote while reading about colors today. John Stamper On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:16 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I was thinking more in terms of physics (you are correct about the absence of light, Taylor), but strictly speaking white contains all the colors thatcan be viewed by the human-eye in visible light spectrum of the larger electromagnetic spectrum (light in the 430 to 770 nm wavelength). These colorscan be differentiated by their defined wavelengths (e.g. blue is about 475nm) or seen separated by a prism that bends light into its constituent parts by slowing down the light wave in each part of the visible spectrum. Hence, black, without light, there can be nothing to separate and hence is essentially "nothing" or "color-less", like most of space I acknowledge that the term "black" when painting, adjusting pictures on computers, fill a print cartridge, are a colorist (like a couple of our OBC brethern are), or a lay-person not versed in the nuance of science definitions; then, yes, it is a "color". I use the term black when talking about color. For the discussion point, I was attempting to be snarky. On Monday, January 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Not quite true. Black is the absence of light, but the combination of all colors, hence why black has it's own ink. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 11:31 AM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: jtysver1@msn.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back Technically, it's the absence of color. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2017, at 10:51 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] For printing (and other times, purposes black is a color. -----Original Message----- From: JAY TYSVER To: mikesportsfan Cc: billingtw ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 10:23 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back Actually, it has no color whatsoever. I'll try to post it tonight Jay Tysver On Jan 16, 2017, at 9:05 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] There are cards that did not make it all the way through the printing process. Some people refer to these as printers proofs. I have seen displays where the same card has had 1, 2, and 3 colors added, essentially each step of the printing process. I have a few cards without a color, not left out in the sun, the color never was printed on the card. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: JTysver1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 9:52 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Thomas W. Billing included below] Does it look somewhat like the bottom one here? The Harry Bright is similar. Left out in the sun? Tom Billing <1961 #112 Fernandez.jpg><1961 #447 Bright RV.jpg> On Jan 15, 2017, at 10:41 PM, JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] I have a 1961 Topps card without the green color on the back, #112- Chico Fernandez. It's just the black ink. How would this be classified? Error? Misprint? Blank Back? Has anyone seen others? Sam Taylor ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 16:59:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: Ken M Can't we just green to disagreen? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 4:16 PMTo: drsam9795@gmail.com;holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com;Cc: cetripler@yahoo.com;taylor_schock@hotmail.com;mikesportsfan@aol.com;jtysver1@msn.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back Send me all of your non-sport cards in that case...Mike Mike GlasserOwnerThe Goddard School in Sparks, MD14630 York RoadSparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: John Stamper > Cc: chris tripler >; Taylor Schock >; mikesportsfan >; jtysver1 >; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 4:12 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back   I think in the spirit of Dr. Martin Luther King, today, we should not see colors. All cards are equal in OBC... ..except UV and Non-sports, they both suck...😉 On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   "There are a lot of long words in there, Chris; we're naught but humble pirates. What is it that you want?" Thought of this Pirates of the Caribbean quote while reading about colors today.  John Stamper On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:16 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   I was thinking more in terms of physics (you are correct about the absence of light, Taylor), but strictly speaking white contains all the colors that can be viewed by the human-eye in visible light spectrum of the larger electromagnetic spectrum (light in the 430 to 770 nm wavelength). These colors can be differentiated by their defined wavelengths (e.g. blue is about 475nm) or seen separated by a prism that bends light into its constituent parts by slowing down the light wave in each part of the visible spectrum. Hence, black, without light, there can be nothing to separate and hence is essentially "nothing" or "color-less", like most of space I acknowledge that the term "black" when painting, adjusting pictures on computers, fill a print cartridge, are a colorist (like a couple of our OBC brethern are), or a lay-person not versed in the nuance of science definitions; then, yes, it is a "color". I use the term black when talking about color.  For the discussion point, I was attempting to be snarky.:) On Monday, January 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote:   Not quite true. Black is the absence of light, but the combination of all colors, hence why black has it's own ink. ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 17:24:43 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back From: chris tripler Yes,...unless they're green tints...then, all bets are off... Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Can't we just green to disagreen? > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 4:16 PM > To: drsam9795@gmail.com;holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; > Cc: cetripler@yahoo.com;taylor_schock@hotmail.com;mikesportsfan@aol.com;jtysver1@msn.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > Send me all of your non-sport cards in that case... > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: John Stamper > > Cc: chris tripler >; Taylor Schock >; mikesportsfan >; jtysver1 >; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 16, 2017 4:12 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps one color back > I think in the spirit of Dr. M artin Luther King, today, we should not see colors. All cards are equal in OBC... > ...except UV and Non-sports, they both suck...=89 > =81 >> On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 4:05 PM, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> "There are a lot of long words in there, Chris; we're naught but humble pirates. What is it that you want?" >> Thought of this Pirates of the Caribbean quote while reading about colors >> John Stamper >> On Jan 16, 2017, at 12:16 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I was thinking more in terms of physics (you are correct about the absence of light, Taylor), but strictly speaking white contains all the colors that can be viewed by the human-eye in visible light spectrum of the larger electromagnetic spectrum (light in the 430 to 770 nm wavelength). These colors can be differentiated by their defined wavelengths (e.g. blue is about 475nm) or seen separated by a prism that bends light into its constituent parts by slowing down the light wave in each part of the visible spectrum. Hence, black, without light, there can be nothing to separate and hence is essentially "nothing" or "color-less", like most of space >> I acknowledge that the term "black" when painting, adjusting pictures oncomputers, fill a print cartridge, are a colorist (like a couple of our OBC brethern are), or a lay-person not versed in the nuance of science definitions; then, yes, it is a "color". I use the term black when talking about color. >> For the discussion point, I was attempting to be snarky. >> :) >> Trip >> On Monday, January 16, 2017 12:03 PM, "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> Not quite true. Black is the absence of light, but the combination of all colors, hence why black has it's own ink. >> Regards, >> Taylor ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 22:58:03 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested From: Nathan Mack I recently sent Ted a message via Ebay asking him if he did shows in TX andif he did I was willing to meet up and see what he had to offer. Here is his response: Thank you for the message Nate. I don't do shows as my mode of transportation out of the house is by wheelchair (or scooter) and shows are a logistical impossibility for me. Soall of my business to date has been through ebay and direct deals from past customers and referrals. I am in the process of putting together a message to OBC members that outlines what I have and what I can do regarding price and discounts. After 16+ years of this, I am reaching the agewhere significantly cutting back will help move to a smaller house and reduce the job my family will have dealing with my leftovers. I had 40 years of corporate life before getting into cards, and it was never a "business" designed to feed my family. I invested some of my retirement dollars in cardboard rather than risk it in the stock market and that strategy paid off through the dot com and other financial woes of the past couple of decades. So now I can offer great deals to OBC members towind down. It is tough to communicate through the ebay messaging system without triggering the wrath of the censors but I would love to tell you more and get an idea of your collecting needs. Thanks,Nate Mack ================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 01:21:08 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: RI show appears to be RIP From: Matthew Glidden According to the forums at Net54, my second-favorite New England show has gone the way of so many others into past history. Pour out a Narragansett for it! Thanks to Bob D for last year's 40th anniversary profile: http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/cranston-sports-collectors-show-returns-40th-event/ ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:14:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Certified Dealer candidate - feedback From: richard dingman Thanks for keeping on this Nate, I look forward to hearing more. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Nathan Mack nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 5:58 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Certified Dealer candidate - feedback requested I recently sent Ted a message via Ebay asking him if he did shows in TX andif he did I was willing to meet up and see what he had to offer. Here is his Thank you for the message Nate. I don't do shows as my mode of transportation out of the house is by wheelchair (or scooter) and shows are a logistical impossibility for me. So all of my business to date has been through ebay and direct deals from past customers and referrals. I am in the process of putting together a message toOBC members that outlines what I have and what I can do regarding price and discounts. After 16+ years of this, I am reaching the age where significantly cutting back will help move to a smaller house and reduce the job my family will have dealing with my leftovers. I had 40 years of corporate life before getting into cards, and it was never a "business" designed to feed my family. I invested some of my retirement dollars in cardboard rather than risk it in the stock market and that strategy paid off through the dot com and other financial woes of the past couple of decades. So now I can offer great deals to OBC members to wind down. It is tough to communicate through the ebay messaging system without triggering the wrath of the censors but I would love to tell you more and get an idea of your collecting needs. Nate Mack ================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 02:17:43 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Rationale for blue-border 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s? From: Matthew Glidden 1935 Goudey 4-in-1s include six cards with blue borders and they only correspond to the set's #2 puzzle, a portrait of Chuck Klein. All other cards are red bordered. Thumbnail layout examples from Old Cardboard: http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/BBC-index/articleSummaryDetail.asp?id650 My question: any guesses why Goudey ran that one blue-bordered puzzle? Klein changed teams twice (PHI to CHC, then back to PHI) during the years these cards would've been sold, but all puzzles show him as a Cub and didn't change... On Sun, Jan 8, 2017 at 2:48 PM Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sal I think this is a master checklist. Many cards come with different > numbered puzzle backs. > http://www.psacard.com/psasetregistry/baseball/company-sets/1935-goudey-master/composition/5495 > Guru > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 23:29:40 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: N43 quest! From: Ed Pike Good news, I finally knocked off another card from my 19th century wantlist - N43 Meyer. Love the lithography on this cards, perhaps the nicest set EVER! I cannot recall whom from OBC I split a lot 20 years ago where I got most of my N43 collection and picked up just a few since then. Picking up a 19th century card accomplishes one of my 2017 collecting goals, my stretch goal is to finish this set off! Kindly let me know if you spot any of the other N43s on my list - Barry, Clark, Cummings, Ford, Ray - preferably with some level of back damage since who needs to read the same checklist on the back anyway? I know that these are not common but there are some floating around and usually not too expensive if the seller is willing to auction them. Thanks! I also killed off the Godfrey Phillips 1928 Amsterdam Olympic set over the holidays, another 2017 milestone! Ed Pike ================= Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2017 22:50:31 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Rittenberg update & OPC values From: Steve Rittenberg Warning: Long, boring story ahead. I moved back into my house a couple of weeks ago. Its been a very slow process to unpack after spending March - September in Houston (wife ill) and then November/December in a hotel (home flooded). Unfortunately, as part of moving back in, I think someone royally screwed up the dishwasher installation and caused more water damage. Under my sink looks as round as a bowl. The water spilled into the basement. Maybe it caused some drywall damage and/or mold. Still not sure. And there were cards "in storage" in that part of the basement. As my current luck would have it, my 1965-68 OPC run was in one of those boxes. Other sets also hit but I don't care much about the 1986 Fleer or 3x of 1997 Bowman. I peeled the cards apart and set them out to dry. Now I have about 800 cards that are curled like they were wrapped around a can. ** ** The 1968 Ryan and Clemente from Mac were in plastic holders and therefore suffered no damage. At least I'm pretty sure about that. I haven't taken then out of the holders to verify but the outsides were Question #1: What is the best way to flatten then? Find a heavy book and press them for a while a few at a time? Flatten them inside a card box or in an album page? Question #2: I've been asked how much they are worth by the insurance company. I actually have a record of what I paid for each card as I built the sets. And when cards were sent to me by OBCers (1965 Rose by M. Rich, 1968 Clemente and Ryan by M. Wubben to name the BIGGEST ones), I mark them as zero. I can extrapolate what I would have paid for the ones from OBC and add that to what I actually paid. Seems low for a "replacement value", especially considering I finished all these (except the two from Mac) many years ago (like up to 15 years ago). I consulted the Standard catalog to see how much the prices have risen. It doesn't publish separate values for OPC any more but I can look at the VG column for a rough number, I suppose. So how do I value them? Resale value I suppose or cost to reacquire them. One of the many problems is "who is at fault". I think a plumber is at fault for this damage. If that's the case, then they can fix the structural problems (under sink and drywall) and write a check for the damage to the cards. But if I am stuck filing another claim, then there is ANOTHER $2500 deductible. That's on top of the $2,500 deductible I already paid for the first claim. For some reason (probably because I'm pitiful), I received mint values for the cards damaged in the first claim (1964 and 1965 Philly FB) and I surrendered the cards. I knew that wasn't accurate but they didn't ask me for a value. The Adjuster told me they wouldn't pay for mint cards again. No problem there but what is reasonable for the OPC? If I can successfully flatten the cards, I would probably be satisfied with no reimbursement for the damage. I don't think many had water stains as I recall. I still need to check on that. And that means I'd only want $100 or so for the junk plus the repairs completed. And there'd be no insurance claim. If there needs to be an insurance claim because a plumber will not admit fault then I'll need to claim the cards just to get the claim value over $2,500. Its stupid. Life generally stinks. This issue is one of about 20 messes that I need to fix. And I'm avoiding most if not all of them. One of them are the necklaces people purchased in the auction to help me out. I haven't forgotten about these obligations or problems. Nope, I actively avoid doing anything about nearly all of them. I'll quit whining here. Any opinions about dealing with the OPC cards (or anything else) are appreciated. Steve Rittenberg ================= To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 07:23:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Rationale for blue-border 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s? From: "George Vrechek" I don't have all my info with me, but puzzle #7 also comes with a blue border and a red border. This is another 6 cards to add to the master set. The 12 cards added in blue may have had more to do with sheet layouts than anything else. They filled up the print sheet. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 07:28:30 -0800 Subject: Re: N43 quest! From: "George Vrechek" Way to go, Ed. N43s look like two cards in one. Pretty neat and I've never owned one, but will be on the lookout for you. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:33:53 +0000 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rationale for blue-border 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s? From: Matthew Glidden Thanks George, that makes more sense! A blue-only sheet with two 6-card player puzzles (#2 Chuck Klein, Cubs and #7 Al Simmons, White Sox) aligns well to the popularity of Chicago's All-Star game in 1933 and those players' overlapping time (1934-35) with Chicago teams. I'd wager the blue border sheet was Chicago-targeted somehow... On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:23 AM 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I don=E2=99t have all my info with me, but puzzle #7 also comes with ablue > border and a red border. This is another 6 cards to add to the master set. > The 12 cards added in blue may have had more to do with sheet layouts than > anything else. They filled up the print sheet. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 13:26:16 -0500 To: yudts5@verizon.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: GONE - RE: Waiver - 62T Babe as boy: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] From: Mike Glasser Small world. For those of you who are non-sport collectors, he had an almost entire set of Space cards in NM condition that of course I bought along with lots of other stuff. I love it when sport card dealers just want to move their non-sport stuff and sell it at awesome prices. I met Joe Denning at that show and was able to buy card #1 of the TV Westerns series and give it to him on the spot. Ed Schott introduced me to Greg at that show and I will definitely be back if I can remember where it was or find out when the next one is - anyone know? Thanks for posting this Matt. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 15, 2017 12:12 am Subject: GONE - RE: Waiver - 62T Babe as boy: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] saturdaycard fix; tip top berra That was fast (West Coaster advantage). Babe is claimed. So far two potentials for the Tip Top Berra. Maybe I can get him even lower if I buy all 4=E2=A6 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2017 12:02 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waiver - 62T Babe as boy: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra I knew I was missing a card purchase in my Ramble. Picked up a 62T #135 Babe as Boy and it turns out to be another green tint, and I need the non-greenie. Second time I did this! So, anyo ne want it?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2017 10:36 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Matt Yudt included below] Went to Zern=E2=99s farmers market today =E2=93 definitely within theT of Pennsylvania cultural maps, and a little over an hour northwest of downtown philly, but pretty close for me. A dying breed of markets, and thisone is now on sale too, after 94 years of operation. A guy named Greg Bickta has a stand, Greg=E2=99s Vintage Vinyl & Sportscards, and I try andvisit every few months, he=E2=99s only there on Saturdays. Tiny place,but as the name suggests, always great music playing and fresh cards to look through =E2=93 Glenn, you would love this. His ebay id is =E2imfinallyon=E2=99 and he showed me the lots of low grade late 60=E2=99s he just auctioned, and I wondered if any of us were the victors. I didn=E2=99t have a lot of time as I had my daughter and her friend (13 year olds) were along, and I knew after the pet shop, they wouldn=E2=99t be having as much fun as I. I was disappointed, the binder that had a chunk ofkellogs that I noticed just as I was leaving last time, turned out to be all 79-83 varieties, of which I didn=E2=99t need. He has a lot of football, but I really wanted to get some baseball hits and I=E2=99m not comfortable yet with football prices having just started this, so better to just=E2browse =E2=99 that. I only spent $50 =E2=93 on 6 cards. (Just bought an OPC lot of 1970 baseball on ebay yesterday and don=E2=99twant to bust the Jan card budget already). I got 4 posts =E2=93 2 Aarons and 2 Mays =E2=93 a 61 and 62 of each, and a 59 Koufax, and the last is probably the best deal =E2=93 the 67 Red Sox team card =E2=93 a dreaded hi# 604. I paid $12 minus ~8%, knowing this was low. When I checkedmy =E2research=E2=99 from ebay sold listings the range was $30-70. So that felt good. Not used to averaging over $8 card, but I know if I want to complete some sets and get that topps run down, its going take a lot more than that. Call it a warm-up. Greg does a show down in Delaware usually every month, and mentioned all the non-sports he sold. Turns out one of the guys is Mike Glasser! Greg doesn=E2=99t do a whole lot of non-sports and what he had was from a larger sports collection h e bought. Sounded like Mike was helpful to HIM, regarding value of some of what he had.Gotta love OBC. Finally, I almost forgot, he seemed to get excited to mention he just got 4off grade 1947 Tip Top bread Yogi Berra cards, that he would sell for $75.Looks like that=E2=99s about 15% book =E2=93 here=E2=99s a photo=E2=93 let me know if anyone is interested. I would love an excuse to go back next Saturday=E2=A6 Wow, that was morgan-esque rambling. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Matt Yudt ================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:28:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: friends wants to join OBC From: Robert Fitts Hi Guys I have a friend who wants to join. I=92ve never done this before, what arethe ================= Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:43:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] friends wants to join OBC From: Ken M Rob,  Give us his address, so we can send the van over there to blindfold him and take him through the hazing process... Oh wait, I've got a better (and more serious) idea. Have him contact a few of the guys to set up a trade. I know it's not the way things normally work around here, but it'll give your friend some contacts to use as sponsors. Then they fill out the application on our website and the New Member Guy and the OBCAC take it from there.  Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 17, 2017 5:29 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] friends wants to join OBC ================= To: Robert Fitts Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 23:08:23 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] friends wants to join OBC From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: 17 Jan 2017 17:07:38 -0800 To: Subject: 1974 Wonder Bread Football waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2017 17:19:19 -0800 Subject: How cards get into OBC-condition From: "George Vrechek" When I look at a beat up card, I wonder sometimes about its previous life. I assume that it took several kids and several previous owners to really goof up a card. Our happy grandson turned one year old last Thursday. While getting stuff for the event at a party store I noticed a pack of Topps on the counter. I haven't bought a new pack of Topps cards in 25 years. The pack was 50 cents, so I splurged and bought it for grandson number 1. I then noticed that it was a pack of 2009 cards, the equivalent of 1938 Goudeys on my own first I gave him the cards, helped him tear open the impossible wrappers, and watched him pull out the cards. Instead of a quick look, he really studied them closely - checking out fronts, backs, and edibility. He examined, pulled, twisted, bent, tossed and chewed those 2009 Topps into OBC Tipton 8s within a few more minutes. I salvaged two cards for future trading with him, but the rest of the pack got the full treatment for the next few days. I was then watching to see when his mom, our daughter, would toss them out. But the cards were still there in his playpen. I will try to keep track of their ultimate fate, which may eventually involve crayons and punch holes. I will then sponsor him for OBC membership. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 03:51:38 +0000 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rationale for blue-border 1935 Goudey 4 in 1s? From: Matthew Glidden To add fuel to the "Chicago fire" (pun intended), Marshall Fogel's history of the Goudey Gum company mentions they kept a facility "for a limited time" in the Windy City. http://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/3886/history-goudey-gum-company/ Is it beyond the pale to think a local facility printed these Chicago-specific '34-35 cards? - 1935 Goudey's "blue border" sheet with Chuck Klein (Cubs) & Al Simmons (White Sox) portraits on reverse - 1934 Goudey high number 5x5 sheet with 12 "Chuck Klein says..." cards http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t150883&page2 I've seen speculation those Klein cards resulted from a licensing disagreement with Gehrig, but that sheet shows Gehrig and Klein cards were printed simultaneously. Maybe it makes more sense that Goudey tried to use Chicago as a base for Midwest fans, but ultimately couldn't sell enough cards to keep a second location viable. Population reports for those groups might confirm things...or just make me lose sleep over phantoms... On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:33 AM Matthew Glidden > Thanks George, that makes more sense! A blue-only sheet with two 6-card > player puzzles (#2 Chuck Klein, Cubs and #7 Al Simmons, White Sox) aligns > well to the popularity of Chicago's All-Star game in 1933 and those > players' overlapping time (1934-35) with Chicago teams. I'd wager the blue > border sheet was Chicago-targeted somehow... > Spike > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 7:23 AM 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I don=E2=99t have all my info with me, but puzzle #7 also comes with ablue > border and a red border. This is another 6 cards to add to the master set. > The 12 cards added in blue may have had more to do with sheet layouts than > anything else. They filled up the print sheet. > George Vrechek ================= Date: 17 Jan 2017 20:23:16 -0800 To: Subject: Didya happen to win... From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 11:08:22 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Missing person From: Yahoo I thought I had completed my 1979 topps baseball set, and then I found out I have a missing person. If anyone locates 1979 TOPPS #256 MIKE SADEK, please return him home to meI miss him. Thanks for looking for him. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 20:18:47 +0000 (UTC) To: Yahoo , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Missing person From: Donnie Barnett Hey Jerry. I have it, will send it your way. Donnie Barnett Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 11:08 AM, Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] I thought I had completed my 1979 topps baseball set, and then I found out I have a missing person. If anyone locates 1979 TOPPS #256 MIKE SADEK, please return him home to me I miss him. Thanks for looking for him. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:36:36 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: I had some time to kill... From: Ken M ..so I booked a room in Chicago this July. I have a room with two beds at the Elk Grove Motel 6. I'm staying Tuesday through Monday. (I think that's the 24th to the 31st.) The National is the 25th of July through the 30th. I've stayed in Elk Grove before (a couple times actually) and probably at this hotel, so it should be better than the one in Atlantic City - but that's not saying much. I got a rate of about $52/night for the six nights including taxes, which isn't too bad. It's not too early to start making plans to attend the National. I'm not sure about roommates yet. I will have room for some, but names are TBD. Only 188 days til the sneak peak ;-) TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:30:33 +0000 Subject: 1952 Topps highs From: Aaron Shirley I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolutesteal. ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Aaron Shirley Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 14:37:51 +0000 Subject: Re: 1952 Topps highs From: Mac Wubben ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:23:53 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs From: "Thomas W. Billing" I got mine bit by bit, mostly from dealers who advertised on SCD, which I read regularly then. Some were pretty good on prices and others not so much. I finished the set in early 1990 so prices were not quite as obnoxious as they are now. I remember the last one I needed was Labine and I could not find any except for one that was in great shape and ran $120. I asked another dealer I worked with a lot (Kit Young) and he advised me to bite the bullet and buy it since it was the only one left. Kit had also sold me some low end cards at a real bargain, including the Matthews. An interesting side of this story was that I often would buy from Larry Frisch and he NEVER would cut me any slack despite my purchases. I saw in this ad that he had about 10 of these but they were over the price limit I hadset. I called him up and asked to pay a better price and got his usual response of =E2=9Cnope=E2=9D. I thought the heck with him an got off the phone. About three hours later my phone rang and it was him saying he was willing to see them at my price. I considered this a major victory. The interesting story on the Mantle was that I had seen it at a card show where a guy from GA named Barry Sanders had it and it was $1150. It is in F-G condition. A few months later I saw an SCD ad from him that once again included it. I called and mentioned that it was not selling and made an offer of something like $950 to include two 1948 HOF Exhibits I needed (and was the reason for reading his ad in the first place). The guy on the phonesaid he would check an get back. The next day I called and he said it wasa deal. The second part of it was that I was living in an apartment and the UPS guy (we call it =E2=9COOPS, here) apparently delivered it to the wrong address. The apartment manager checked around and get it to me. No Christmas tip for THIS guy. Tom Billing > On Jan 19, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolute > Aaron ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:27:26 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs From: Ken M I got a lot of mine at the National in Anaheim (around 2000?) There was a seller there breaking up a low grade set and since I bought 20-30 of the worst ones he had, I think I got them for about $35 each, maybe a little less. I picked off a bunch on eBay around the same time (late 90's/early 00's) in that same price range (except for the stars of course). I got a few from a Canadian seller including the Reese ($200) and Mathews ($350) and possibly one of the two Jackie Robinsons (both were about 200 bucks each). I eventually broke down and got the last six from Levi (707's) and he cut me a good deal (especially coming from him) on them at about $50 each. I don't think I got any for a steal, other than maybe the Mathews, but I don't think I overpaid for any of them either. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 19, 2017 9:30 AMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolute steal.Aaron ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:49:10 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs From: Mike Glasser I just participated in the 52 set break that offered the chance to get one of the cards at $75 each. I didn't win the Mantle but I did end up with Joe Black and Ted Lepico in VG+ condition. Both book higher than what I paidaccording to the psa site so while it wasn't a steal, I'm satisfied. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Thu, Jan 19, 2017 10:27 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs I got a lot of mine at the National in Anaheim (around 2000?) There was a seller there breaking up a low grade set and since I bought 20-30 of the worst ones he had, I think I got them for about $35 each, maybe a little less.I picked off a bunch on eBay around the same time (late 90's/early 00's) in that same price range (except for the stars of course). I got a few from a Canadian seller including the Reese ($200) and Mathews ($350) and possibly one of the two Jackie Robinsons (both were about 200 bucks each). I eventually broke down and got the last six from Levi (707's) and he cut me a good deal (especially coming from him) on them at about $50 each. I don't think I got any for a steal, other than maybe the Mathews, but I don't think I overpaid for any of them either. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 19, 2017 9:30 AM To: OBC Ramblings; Subject:[OB C-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolutesteal. ================= To: Aaron Shirley , "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 15:50:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs From: Shawn Smart How many people in OBC have the Mantle? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:23 AM To: Aaron Shirley Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs I got mine bit by bit, mostly from dealers who advertised on SCD, which I read regularly then. Some were pretty good on prices and others not so much. I finished the set in early 1990 so prices were not quite as obnoxious as they are now. I remember the last one I needed was Labine and I could not find any except for one that was in great shape and ran $120. I asked another dealer I worked with a lot (Kit Young) and he advised me to bite the bullet and buy it since it was the only one left. Kit had also sold me some low end cards at a real bargain, including the Matthews. An interesting side of this story was that I often would buy from Larry Frisch and he NEVER would cut me any slack despite my purchases. I saw in this ad that he had about 10 of these but they were over the price limit I hadset. I called him up and asked to pay a better price and got his usual response of "nope". I thought the heck with him an got off the phone. Aboutthree hours later my phone rang and it was him saying he was willing to see them at my price. I considered this a major victory. The interesting story on the Mantle was that I had seen it at a card show where a guy from GA named Barry Sanders had it and it was $1150. It is in F-G condition. A few months later I saw an SCD ad from him that once again included it. I called and mentioned that it was not selling and made an offer of something like $950 to include two 1948 HOF Exhibits I needed (and was the reason for reading his ad in the first place). The guy on the phonesaid he would check an get back. The next day I called and he said it wasa deal. The second part of it was that I was living in an apartment and the UPS guy (we call it "OOPS, here) apparently delivered it to the wrong address. The apartment manager checked around and get it to me. No Christmas tip for THIS guy. Tom Billing On Jan 19, 2017, at 9:30 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolutesteal. ================= Date: 19 Jan 2017 08:29:48 -0800 To: Subject: 2017 Collecting Goals From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 17:39:20 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Wants , Subject: Availables cards, wrappers and schedules From: Dan Angland Hey guys, have some stuff laying around, no return fire needed. Claimaway and include your address please.Thanks, Dan Angland Have an OBC day! Baseball cards 1936 Diamond Matchbook cover Walter Berger 1954 Bowman 1111956 Topps Baseball 104 1967 Topps Baseball 533 1968 Topps Baseball 150 (McLain, but card stock feels weird)1978 Jim PalmerPapa 1971 Topps Baseball 644, 646 1972 Topps Baseball 436 (Jackson IA), 467, 520, 547 1973 Topps Baseball 115 (Santo) 1978 SSPC #0122 Manny Sarmiento 1979 Diamond Greats #47 Clyde Castleman Football cards 1972 Topps Football #1851980 Topps Football 107 1978 Donruss Kiss 6, 11, 19, 52, 57 1974 Topps Baseball Wrapper (3x) 1975 Topps Baseball Wrapper (1x)1978 Topps Baseball Wrapper (3x)1979 Topps Baseball Wrapper (2x) Baseball and Football Schedules Boston Red Sox 1993 Yankees and Mets TV Schedule 1998 New York Yankees 2012 (Jackson) Detroit Tigers 2013 New York Mets 2014 (Wright) 2x San Diego Chargers 2005 (Brees) 2x ================= To: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 11:02:04 -0800 Subject: Ted's Cards..........Part Deux From: "Grant Rainsley" Here=E2=99s Ted=E2=99s price list for what he could hit from my list=E2=A6=E2=A6..FYI, I went for it, since there are a few of the tough series in there, including quite a nice Reds team. He grades accurately, and doesn=E2=99t try to oversell you. Ted did mention that if he gets a lot of responses at once, to be prepared for a delay=E2=A6=E2=A6..I guess he is only human. From: OrkDoolian@aol.com [mailto:OrkDoolian@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:00 AM To: grains@shaw.ca Subject: Re: OBC I struck out on the 1956 group, but here is what I have for you in 1957's. 57 Topps OBC -20% Book Val. Off Price Shipping is free for this size purchase. Now, two of the cards are below your condition request so I will include scans so you can decide go or no go on those. Also included is a scan of thehighest value card in the group. Minoso has tiny staple holes, and Boyd some paper loss. You will find many of the VG+ cards to be better than advertised. I am also send separately an email that I plan to send many of your memberswhen they contact me. I would appreciate you feedback on that. Just let me know on this list and we can go from there. ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:34:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1952 Topps highs From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm in the same boat as Mac. I am only doing the Dodgers (Of course half the team set is High numbers, about 14). Been picking them off a bit at a time, mostly from JD. Mac has been my latest supplier with the Jackie and a few others. Down to the last 6 (7 if you include the OTHER Jackie). At this point, I would LOVE to find the grey back Schmitz and Podbielan. I'm sure if I got off my mortgage (not wallet), I can get all of these from Levi! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/19/2017 9:37:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: So we all get to hear Chris T's story again...great. I think the rest of us just paid the price. I tried to pick up one or two a show...and paid more than I wanted probably every time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 9:30 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolute ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 19:47:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pics from Fort Washington From: ChicoD1@aol.com Does anyone have any pics from the Fort Washington show back in 1998, otherwise known as the Jim Montgomery "He bought WHAT and paid HOW MUCH in travelers cheques?". I know I have a few, I can't find mine. Oh yeah, this was the show we made Terry hold a Joe Morgan rookie card lol, I think his hand was burning. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 10:44:48 -0800 Subject: Message to OBC members- Ted's Baseball Cards From: "Grant Rainsley" Here is Ted's preliminary response, he asked me to send it on to OBC....I will shortly be sending the results from my '56 and '57 lists that I sent him, for your perusal, which will include a price list of what he had.. I certainly give him full points for his responsiveness, and found him very pleasant to deal with. Good luck, Grant From: OrkDoolian@aol.com [mailto:OrkDoolian@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2017 10:02 AM To: grains@shaw.ca Subject: Message to OBC members This is the message I mentioned for you comment and feedback. Ted OBC Member: This message is intended to give you a little background in my sportscard history and what I offer to OBC members. I got into cards after 40+ years in corporate life and was looking for something fun to occupy my time and provide an alternative to the stock market in investing some retirement dollars. That was back in 2000. I was an avid collector as a kid and have great memories of opening packs in the early 1950's. Plus I spent hours reading all the details about the players, devising games using the cards to form teams, leagues, etc., and just absorbing all I could about the players from the 1950's and early 60's. It is that knowledge base that caused me to specialize as a dealer in the cards I know from childhood. I expanded that knowledge exponentially in the years since 2000, especially in pre 1950 cards. I have had a very successful business that sheltered me from the stock market roller coaster and provided a wonderful experience meeting collectors all over the world. Examine my ebay store and feedback record. But all things must end, or at least slow down. My kids are independent, my wife happy and healthy and we are ready to downsize to a smaller home. The only thing in my way is about 150,000 sportscards. That is where OBC members can help me, and help themselves at the same time. I have never used this hobby/business as the means to support my family. I do all out of my home and don't have the overhead of many dealers. So I am willing to sell cards at something close to my break even point to move I would like to offer all OBC members a 20% discount to my lowest pricing on ebay. That would be for want lists and small groups of cards. For a major purchase of say 500 cards or more I can do even better. Also, all the shipping to US destinations is FREE!!! Other countries will be reasonable and sometimes free. What I offer is this: 1950's, 61's and 70's Topps. All of the Bowman years to 1955. Many of the inserts from Topps that were included in packs in the 60's. Several other brands like Fleer, Leaf, Post Cereal, Kelloggs and other brands from those eras. What I don't have are lots of Superstars, high numbers, short prints etc in the Topps and Bowman sets. You will be able to find tons of commons, lesser/minor stars in grades ranging from poor to NM. Football, Hockey, Basketball, Boxing and some non sports cards are also on my shelves. They are not nearly as well organized or extensive as baseball so I need to know your needs so I can tell you what I may have. This has been a very long message and thanks if you made it this far. Just send you lists of wants (or needs) along with cards numbers and condition requirements. I will give you an estimated timeframe for a Ted Holden AKA: OrkDoolian Doing business as: Teds Vintage Sportscards Let's talk, Ted's Vintage Sports Cards eBay ================= Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2017 20:27:04 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pics from Fort Washington From: Ken M Sal,  I have a bunch of OBC photos in my closet. I don't think any are from that particular show though. Some I 'inherited' somehow so long ago I don't even remember, but they are from gatherings I wasn't a part of and possibly before I even joined the group. (A few of the "Who am I?" photos perhaps?) I'll try to post a few on the group's Facebook page later tonight. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 19, 2017 7:48 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Pics from Fort Washington Does anyone have any pics from the Fort Washington show back in 1998, otherwise known as the Jim Montgomery "He bought WHAT and paid HOW MUCH in travelers cheques?". I know I have a few, I can't find mine. Oh yeah, this was the show we made Terry hold a Joe Morgan rookie card lol, I think his hand was burning.  Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 04:52:55 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: '52 Topps Highs From: Larry Tipton I never collected the high numbers and considered my set complete at 310. They always seemed to costly to me, but looking back I should have tried for them 20 years ago. Once I had a cut in half '52 Hoyt Wilhelm RC #392 that was on display at one of the Nationals. Part of Gurus traveling "Beaters On Display" collection. Another OBC member said he needed that card for his set, and Hoyt was handed off. I can't remember where I got that card someone sent it to me. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 05:17:29 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: the OBC Facebook page From: Larry Tipton I have a love/hate relationship with all social media. Right now it's mostly hate LOL. The way "Yahoo Groups" formats and displays pictures (awful) has pushed me back on to Facebook after several years of being dark there. I finally see the great potential to enjoy OBC even more, being able to see pictures attached with a post. Several OBC members have sent me friend requests, and at this time I am ignoring all of them LOL. So don't think I don't like you if I ignore the request because really I LOVE all "youse guys". Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'Larry Tipton'" , Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:51:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: '52 Topps Highs From: "Bob Donaldson" Good timing this question as for the past month or so I've been debating selling my 52 Highs to focus on my more preferred sets (E121/E120 Caramels especially). Keep an eye on the dealer scum server. I did by one high number for $5, that was mixed in with some low number cards. :) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:53 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: '52 Topps Highs I never collected the high numbers and considered my set complete at 310. They always seemed to costly to me, but looking back I should have tried for them 20 years ago. Once I had a cut in half '52 Hoyt Wilhelm RC #392 that was on display at one of the Nationals. Part of Gurus traveling "Beaters On Display" collection. Another OBC member said he needed that card for his set, and Hoyt was handed off. I can't remember where I got that card someone sent it to me. Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 08:16:43 -0800 Subject: Re: 1952 Topps highs From: "George Vrechek" Since you asked.Sometime along the way I set a $50 limit on buying any one card, so I know I didn't spend more than $50 on any 1952 high - except one. I started picking up OBC-grade 52 highs in the early 1980s at shows in Chicago and generally paid between $20 and $40. I made a few trades, had a few highs to start with and watched for ads in SCD. Rolland Villeneau, or some such name, was in Canada and seemed to have low grade 52 highs. I bought several from him. One large SCD ad I remember was Al Rosen's ad of mint condition 52 highs including the big stars I still needed. I think the Mantle was $2,500. The story of his "find" hadn't come out yet and I was a little skeptical. Apparently, many readers were slow on the draw also. Al told me years later that he sold zero Mantles from the ad. He cut the price slightly and gradually unloaded those babies. Consequently I still need Mantle, Reese, Campy, Mathews, McDougald and Dickey. I remember leaving e big National at McCormick Place fully spent and seeing a Dickey for $20 which I passed on. I did finally pop for more than $50 on Jackie Robinson. Gary Mandell encouraged me to buy one from Uncle Dick a few years ago for $250, I think. My best deal was from a dealer who had one high with a punch hole. He gave it to me. But who remembers this stuff? I guess we do. George Vrechek ================= To: yahoogroups Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 17:02:34 +0000 Subject: 79, 81 Waivers From: Shawn Smart If anyone could use any, please let me know! 1979 TOPPS - 107, 196, 359, 410, 461, 511, 516, 538, 671, 683, 684, 686, 691, 701, 704. 1981 TOPPS - 9, 11, 15, 22, 27, 28, 31, 38, 42, 45, 49, 51, 54, 58, 60, 62,63, 70, 76, 82, 84, 93, 109, 138, 151, 154, 158, 160, 162, 163, 165, 166, 168, 170, 171, 226, 241, 290, 414, 472, 519, 537, 654, 709. ================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 12:04:00 -0500 To: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: the OBC Facebook page From: Jake Brewer Once you find me on facebook my friends, you won't see pictures of my grandkids or even my kids- since none of them exist at my age of 25 hahaha -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2017, at 11:56 AM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > but guru, you can't see pics of our grandchildren (and we see yours) unless you friend us on the facebook! ha ha > I do enjoy seeing pics of our guys and their grands alot... > mark z > From: "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:17 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: the OBC Facebook page > I have a love/hate relationship with all social media. Right now it's mostly hate LOL. > The way "Yahoo Groups" formats and displays pictures (awful) has pushed me back on to Facebook after several years of being dark there. I finally see the great potential to enjoy OBC even more, being able to see pictures attached with a post. > Several OBC members have sent me friend requests, and at this time I am ignoring all of them LOL. So don't think I don't like you if I ignore the request because really I LOVE all "youse guys". > Guru > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 20 Jan 2017 15:44:38 -0800 To: Subject: "Need help to unload" Waiver Wire... From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 00:53:05 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Good deal on 1977-78 Julius Erving gray back From: Patrick Prickett If you are collecting the much tougher 1977-78 Topps gray back basketball cards, I saw a pretty good deal on the Dr. J card on COMC. Here it is: 1977-78 Topps - [Base] - Gray Back #100 - Julius Erving [Good to VG-EX] - COMC Card Marketplace | | | | | 1977-78 Topps - [Base] - Gray Back #100 - Julius Erving [Good to VG-EX] - C... Shop 1977-78 Topps - [Base] - Gray Back #100 - Julius Erving [GoodtoVG=E2=91EX] cards. Find rookies, autographs, an... | | ================= Date: 20 Jan 2017 17:45:32 -0800 To: Subject: Non-Sport Fire Sale continues... From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 22:07:03 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-Sport Fire Sale continues... From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Sorry guys, but Ant tells me that the Planet of the Apes cards that I have are 1974 cards (set of 66) NOT the 1967 (set of 44). In my defense, the cards have a copyright on the back that is dated 1967. On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 8:45 PM, drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Okay guys, it appears that these things have more interest than I would've > ever thought. The first round of waivers have all been claimed. > Here is round 2, and feel free to make a request even if you requested one > before. I will get emails out and pack up the first wave while waiting to > hear who wants these beauties... > A couple more from the '50s that I missed last time: > 1956 Davy Crockett Orange backs - #34, 41, 47 > 1957 Adventures of Radisson (a Canadian version of Davy Crockett based on > the Canadian tv show) - #23 > 1959 Bubbles, Inc. Funny Monsters - 2, 5, 66 > 1961 Leaf Spook Stories - 5, 18, 35, 36, 43, 47, 48, 82, 144 > 1964 Topps Beatles B&W (series 2 and 3) - #4, 74, 130, 137, 143, 150, 151, > 152, 158, 165 > 1964 Beatles color - 7A Ringo's "Dear Diary" > 1965 James Bond - 35, 45 > 1966 James Bond - 39 > 1965 Donruss Spec Sheet (car set of 66) - 5, 46, 49 > 1966 Monkees - 13, 17, 38 > 1967 Monkees - 25A, 30A, 32A, 35A > Unknown year Motorcycle cards - #4 Baja 100cc, #13 Dave Campos' Drag > Racer, > and the grand prize in the 1960's... > 1967 Topps Planet of the Apes - 1, 6, 13, 24, 28, 39, 42, 44, 45, 48, 49, > 51, 53, 59, 63, 64, 65, 66 > Again, PLEASE send address, it makes packing these up easier. Also if you > are collecting the set, ask for specific numbers in case there are multiple > requests. I'm trying to be as fair with these as possible. Next round will > be 1966 Batman cards and Donruss Superheroes as well as Partridge Family, > Happy Days and Six Million Dollar Man > Sam Taylor Sam Taylor ================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:17:32 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps highs From: Rick I started maybe eight years ago didn't keep a record of where I got them but from memory I would say a third from Canada, third from a collector that sets up at the wssca show. He's just a genuine nice guy that goes to the national every year to upgrade his set and then he would sell me his dupes. Got most from $25-$40 range until I got to the two-thirds mark. I did get two for $5 one from the dealer friend another like someone else said in a pile of $5 cards the back had paper loss so it didn't have a number but I knewit was a high number by the front. Didn't get many off eBay to this point because they were more expensive there. At that point I had to raise my ceiling for commons to $50 and had to startlooking else where so started to win more on eBay when I went up to $50. The last third came from eBay,obcers,web sites,Mark Macrae and random places. The last two "commons" I needed I paid roughly $75 for Joe black and Joe adcock. Yes the stars were more like $250 for the big names down to needingmantle and Mathews hoping I will save up for the Mathews some day and get it but can't seem to be patient enough to save for it. My card money is usually spent in the first few days of the month. If anyone wants to sell me aMathews and accept payments at the first of every month before it gets spent on Venezuelans I may get one. The mantle will always be out of my range until I win the lottery. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2017, at 6:30 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'd like to hear stories of how you came about getting the 1952 Topps high numbers you have. Especially (but not only) if you got them for an absolute > Aaron ================= Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2017 19:51:37 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1952 Topps #407 Ed Mathews Boston Braves High# From: Rick Speaking of Mathews do you think probstein will take monthly payments for this if I bid on it. The main problem with their auctions it's hard to outbid his employees he has bidding up his auctions. Rick View item: 1952 Topps #407 Ed Mathews Boston Braves High# End Time: Jan 25, 2017, 6:20:04 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 20 Jan 2017 21:45:26 -0800 To: Subject: Scattered Waiver Pile From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 21 Jan 2017 11:33:41 -0800 To: Subject: Non-Sport Fire Sale... Final Round From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 14:44:09 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-Sport Fire Sale... Final Round From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I believe the last card is part of the 1959 Parkhurst Indianapolis 500 set.I am down to needing 9 in the set. Unfortunately, I already have the onebelow. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2017 2:34 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-Sport Fire Sale... Final Round Ok, Non-Sports fans, the previous waivers have all been claimed and are being packed up as soon as I finish typing this. Everyone who put in a claim will get a package, but I had to divide a number of the lots up so that everybody got to play. Surprisingly, there were FOUR requests for the Birds, soI had to divide the flock. Here comes the last (and FINAL) round of these things... 1966 Topps Batman (Black Bat): 4, 10, 16, 17, 18, 23, 26, 32, 34, 34, 37, 43, 47, 51, 55 1966 Topps Batman ((Red bat/Puzzle back) : 13A, 15A, 19A, 24A, 24A, 26A, 30A, 34A 1966 Topps Batman (Blue Bat/Puzzle back) 1966 Topps Bat Laffs: 2, 4, 12, 29, 31, 37, 44, 45, 46, 49, 50, 51 1966 Topps Bat Laffs minis (these are the UK version and are identical to the US version, except that they are smaller sized 2 1/4" X 3 1/8"): #'s 7,10, 1966 Donruss Marvel Superheroes: 35, 56, 58, 59, 63, 65 1976 Topps Marvel Super Heroes stickers: Ice Man, The Thing, Checklist (MR) 1980 Topps Wacky Packages: 162, 179, 188 1971 Partridge Family (Blue Border): 9A, 22A, 23A, 23A, 26A, 33A, 34A, 35A,43A, 1971 Partridge Family (Yellow Border): 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17,18, 20, 21, 22, 25, 28, 29, 30, 34, 35, 35, 36, 3 7, 41, 43, 43, 44, 44, 44, 47, 49, 52, 52, 53, 53, 55 1973 You'll Die Laughing (these are B&W scenes from old monster movies, with funny captions and a joke on the back): 10, 15, 26, 30, 40, 63, 72, 77, 79, 79, 86, 90, 108, 109, 110 1975 Six Million Dollar Man: 9, 12, 17 1976 Happy Days (Blue Border): 1, 1, 331978 Elvis Records (produced by Boxcar Enterprises, set of 66): 49, 58 1974 Kellogg's Sugar Pops Horse sticker (what the heck, four of you wanted the damn birds...) 1968 Barnabas (Pink Border) produced by Dan Curtis Productions (I have no idea...): 29, 31< /p> FINALLY, a Canadian (Parkhurst?) card, because it is in English and French on the back. The front is a color picture of the Purdue University band marching at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The card is numbered 28, so it must be part of some set... Again, PLEASE include mailing address with any claim. Happy collecting, I have rarely been so happy to clear off my desk!! Sam Taylor ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 14:44:24 -0500 To: drsam9795@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-Sport Fire Sale... Final Round From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I believe the last card is part of the 1959 Parkhurst Indianapolis 500 set.I am down to needing 9 in the set. Unfortunately, I already have the onebelow. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2017 2:34 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Non-Sport Fire Sale... Final Round Ok, Non-Sports fans, the previous waivers have all been claimed and are being packed up as soon as I finish typing this. Everyone who put in a claim will get a package, but I had to divide a number of the lots up so that everybody got to play. Surprisingly, there were FOUR requests for the Birds, soI had to divide the flock. Here comes the last (and FINAL) round of these things... 1966 Topps Batman (Black Bat): 4, 10, 16, 17, 18, 23, 26, 32, 34, 34, 37, 43, 47, 51, 55 1966 Topps Batman ((Red bat/Puzzle back) : 13A, 15A, 19A, 24A, 24A, 26A, 30A, 34A 1966 Topps Batman (Blue Bat/Puzzle back) 1966 Topps Bat Laffs: 2, 4, 12, 29, 31, 37, 44, 45, 46, 49, 50, 51 1966 Topps Bat Laffs minis (these are the UK version and are identical to the US version, except that they are smaller sized 2 1/4" X 3 1/8"): #'s 7,10, 1966 Donruss Marvel Superheroes: 35, 56, 58, 59, 63, 65 1976 Topps Marvel Super Heroes stickers: Ice Man, The Thing, Checklist (MR) 1980 Topps Wacky Packages: 162, 179, 188 1971 Partridge Family (Blue Border): 9A, 22A, 23A, 23A, 26A, 33A, 34A, 35A,43A, 1971 Partridge Family (Yellow Border): 3, 4, 5, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 17, 17,18, 20, 21, 22, 25, 28, 29, 30, 34, 35, 35, 36, 3 7, 41, 43, 43, 44, 44, 44, 47, 49, 52, 52, 53, 53, 55 1973 You'll Die Laughing (these are B&W scenes from old monster movies, with funny captions and a joke on the back): 10, 15, 26, 30, 40, 63, 72, 77, 79, 79, 86, 90, 108, 109, 110 1975 Six Million Dollar Man: 9, 12, 17 1976 Happy Days (Blue Border): 1, 1, 331978 Elvis Records (produced by Boxcar Enterprises, set of 66): 49, 58 1974 Kellogg's Sugar Pops Horse sticker (what the heck, four of you wanted the damn birds...) 1968 Barnabas (Pink Border) produced by Dan Curtis Productions (I have no idea...): 29, 31< /p> FINALLY, a Canadian (Parkhurst?) card, because it is in English and French on the back. The front is a color picture of the Purdue University band marching at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway. The card is numbered 28, so it must be part of some set... Again, PLEASE include mailing address with any claim. Happy collecting, I have rarely been so happy to clear off my desk!! Sam Taylor ================= Date: 21 Jan 2017 11:59:35 -0800 To: Subject: Bucket List trip From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:07:04 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] trimmed 1952 highs for $19.95 on evilbay From: "Thomas W. Billing" =E2=9Cevilly=E2=9D. I love it. Tom Billing > On Jan 21, 2017, at 2:52 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > looks like some inexpensive cards--and because I don't collect these-- > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-High-Number-316-Davey-Williams-New-York-Giants-Trimmed-/252729305535?hashitem3ad7d729bf:g:KroAAOSwo4pYftby http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-High-Number-360-George-Crowe-Boston-Braves-Trimmed-/252729301560?hashitem3ad7d71a38:g:0KEAAOSw5cNYftWj http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-Topps-High-Number-401-Bob-Schultz-Chicago-Cubs-Trimmed-/252729296700?hashitem3ad7d7073c:g:pJ4AAOSw5cNYftQV plus three more.....Blackwell, Lepcio and Hooper ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 16:11:01 -0500 To: Jake Brewer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: the OBC Facebook page From: Andy Huntoon Hey guys. My wife was looking for the OBC Facebook page for me and accidentally askedto join. Whoever handles that can deny her request as I'll be requesting to join with my own account soon. Thanks a lot. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:04 PM, Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Once you find me on facebook my friends, you won't see pictures of my grandkids or even my kids- since none of them exist at my age of 25 hahaha > -Jake "The Kid" Brewer > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 20, 2017, at 11:56 AM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> but guru, you can't see pics of our grandchildren (and we see yours) unless you friend us on the facebook! ha ha >> I do enjoy seeing pics of our guys and their grands alot... >> mark z >> From: "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2017 7:17 AM >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: the OBC Facebook page >> I have a love/hate relationship with all social media. Right now it's mostly hate LOL. >> The way "Yahoo Groups" formats and displays pictures (awful) has pushed me back on to Facebook after several years of being dark there. I finally see the great potential to enjoy OBC even more, being able to see pictures attached with a post. >> Several OBC members have sent me friend requests, and at this time I am ignoring all of them LOL. So don't think I don't like you if I ignore the request because really I LOVE all "youse guys". >> Guru >> Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 21 Jan 2017 14:38:49 -0800 To: Subject: Non-Sport Fire Sale is OVER From: drsam9795@gmail.com ================= Date: 21 Jan 2017 14:56:21 -0800 To: Subject: almost car jacked From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 19:27:34 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] almost car jacked From: "Thomas W. Billing" Wow! Terrible story but with a satisfactory ending, thankfully. It soundslike a TV show but is not fun. He definitely was on something. These junkies will do whatever it takes to further their habit. Sad. I am glad youmade it and hope you never go through it again. Tom Billing > On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:56 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > This past week we spent the week in Albuquerque looking for coca cola items for my wife and visiting the local casinos. Thursday night we returned to the hotel at about 10:30. As we pulled into the parking lot we noticed aman , without shoes, standing in the parking lot. It was about 45 degrees.As we parked he came over the van - I assumed he was going to ask for money. Instead, he started out saying he was going to take our van. The next thing i knew, he had the door open and was dragging me out of the van. Without thinking, I started fighting back and had backed him up about 10-12 feet but he ended up throwing me down. My wife in the meantime was hollering andblowing the horn. She was struggling with him to prevent him from taking the car. He was probably 6ft to 6 - 2 tall and probably 200-220. Those of you that I have met know that I am 5ft 7 > . > He did manage to get the keys. The hotel manager came out and put him in a choke hold and dragged him out of the van. The guy broke lose - and here the story takes a bizarre twist. He runs past me and i barely missed tripping him. He was also a guest at the hotel. He ran back to his room to get something and was returning. My wife helped me up as I could not stand up bymyself. We got into the van as he approached. He kept clicking our keys toopen the van and we kept locking it as he unlocked it. He tried to use ourkeys to unlock other people's cars. He then took off running and disappeared down the street. We thought he took our keys with him but we found them in the driveway. About 6-7 police cars arrived and 2 stayed with us and five went to look for him. They called EMS for me, everything checked out fine. Blood pressure and blood sugar were very high but over about an hour theyreturned to fairly normal. The police photographer took picture of my cutsand bruises - I guess for evidence. The police and hotel manager also searched his room but came up empty. They changed the lock on his door so he could not get ! back in. He had posted a $250 deposit along with a copy of his drivers license. I have no idea of what he was thinking - I guess he was under the influence of dome mind altering drug. The police did not find him(they think he ran into one of the hospitals to hide) so we packed everything into the van and proceeded to a casino where we spent the night. > Of course, I am sore as can be, the one good thing was he did not have a weapon. It still bothers me as I write this. It is an experience I hope no one else ever has to go through. > I better quit writing as it keeps getting longer and longer. > Thank you for reading and I am happy we are all alive, > Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 00:33:27 +0000 (UTC) To: "Thomas W. Billing" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] almost car jacked From: Geno Wagner That's just insane!!! Especially after he checked into the hotel and left his ID. Maybe he was upstairs reading about green tints and copyright asterisks and just lost it. Glad you guys are safe...wow. Take Care,Geno Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 17:27, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Wow! Terrible story but with a satisfactory ending, thankfully. It sounds like a TV show but is not fun. He definitely was on something. These junkies will do whatever it takes to further their habit. Sad. I am glad you made it and hope you never go through it again. Tom Billing On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:56 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] This past week we spent the week in Albuquerque looking for coca cola itemsfor my wife and visiting the local casinos. Thursday night we returned to the hotel at about 10:30. As we pulled into the parking lot we noticed a man , without shoes, standing in the parking lot. It was about 45 degrees. As we parked he came over the van - I assumed he was going to ask for money. Instead, he started out saying he was going to take our van. The nextthing i knew, he had the door open and was dragging me out of the van. Without thinking, I started fighting back and had backed him up about 10-12 feet but he ended up throwing me down. My wife in the meantime was hollering and blowing the horn. She was struggling with him to prevent him from taking the car. He was probably 6ft to 6 - 2 tall and probably 200-220. Those ofyou that I have met know that I am 5ft 7 He did manage to get the keys. The hotel manager came out and put him in a choke hold and dragged him out of the van. The guy broke lose - and here the story takes a bizarre twist. He runs past me and i barely missed tripping him. He was also a guest at the hotel. He ran back to his room to get something and was returning. My wife helped me up as I could not stand upby myself. We got into the van as he approached. He kept clicking our keysto open the van and we kept locking it as he unlocked it. He tried to use our keys to unlock other people's cars. He then took off running and disappeared down the street. We thought he took our keys with him but we found them in the driveway. About 6-7 police cars arrived and 2 stayed with us and five went to look for him. They called EMS for me, everything checked out fine. Blood pressure and blood sugar were very high but over about an hour they returned to fairly normal. The police photographer took picture of my cuts and bruises - I guess for evidence. The police and hotel manager also searched his room but came up empty. They changed the lock on his door so hecould not get ! back in. He had posted a $250 deposit along with a copy ofhis drivers license. I have no idea of what he was thinking - I guess he was under the influence of dome mind altering drug. The police did not find him(they think he ran into one of the hospitals to hide) so we packedeverything into the van and proceeded to a casino where we spent the night. Of course, I am sore as can be, the one good thing was he did not have a weapon. It still bothers me as I write this. It is an experience I hope no one else ever has to go through. I better quit writing as it keeps getting longer and longer. Thank you for reading and I am happy we are all alive, Richard Labs ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 19:42:22 -0500 To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] almost car jacked From: "Thomas W. Billing" LOL. Awesome humor. > On Jan 21, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That's just insane!!! Especially after he checked into the hotel and left his ID. Maybe he was upstairs reading about green tints and copyright asterisks and just lost it. Glad you guys are safe...wow. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > Wow! Terrible story but with a satisfactory ending, thankfully. It sounds like a TV show but is not fun. He definitely was on something. These junkies will do whatever it takes to further their habit. Sad. I am glad you made it and hope you never go through it again. > Tom Billing >> On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:56 PM, <>rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < <>OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > >> This past week we spent the week in Albuquerque looking for coca cola items for my wife and visiting the local casinos. Thursday night we returnedto the hotel at about 10:30. As we pulled into the parking lot we noticed a man , without shoes, standing in the parking lot. It was about 45 degrees. As we parked he came over the van - I assumed he was going to ask for money. Instead, he started out saying he was going to take our van. The next thing i knew, he had the door open and was dragging me out of the van. Without thinking, I started fighting back and had backed him up about 10-12 feetbut he ended up throwing me down. My wife in th! e meantime was hollering and blowing the horn. She was struggling with him to prevent him from taking the car. He was probably 6ft to 6 - 2 tall and probably 200-220. Those ofyou that I have met know that I am 5ft 7 >> . >> He did manage to get the keys. The hotel manager came out and put him ina choke hold and dragged him out of the van. The guy broke lose - and herethe story takes a bizarre twist. He runs past me and i barely missed tripping him. He was also a guest at the hotel. He ran back to his room to get something and was returning. My wife helped me up as I could not stand up by myself. We got into the van as he approached. He kept clicking our keys to open the van and we kept locking it as he unlocked it. He tried to use our keys to unlock other people's cars. He then took off running and disappeared down the street. We thought he took our keys with him but we found themin the driveway. About 6-7 police cars arrived and 2 stayed with us and five went to look for him. They called EMS for me, everything checked out fine. Blood pressure and blood sugar were very high but over about an hour they returned to fairly normal. The police photographer took picture of my cuts and bruises - I guess for evidence. The police and hotel manager also searched his room but came up empty. They changed the lock on his door so he could not get ! back in. He had posted a $250 deposit along with a copy of his drivers license. I have no idea of what he was thinking - I guess he wasunder the influence of dome mind altering drug. The police did not find him(they think he ran into one of the hospitals to hide) so we packed everything into the van and proceeded to a casino where we spent the night. >> Of course, I am sore as can be, the one good thing was he did not have aweapon. It still bothers me as I write this. It is an experience I hope noone else ever has to go through. >> I better quit writing as it keeps getting longer and longer. >> Thank you for reading and I am happy we are all alive, >> Richard Labs ================= Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2017 21:51:42 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] almost car jacked From: Steve Richard, glad you and your wife are safe. It certainly is a different worldwe live in today. Be well. Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:56 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > This past week we spent the week in Albuquerque looking for coca cola items for my wife and visiting the local casinos. Thursday night we returned to the hotel at about 10:30. As we pulled into the parking lot we noticed aman , without shoes, standing in the parking lot. It was about 45 degrees.As we parked he came over the van - I assumed he was going to ask for money. Instead, he started out saying he was going to take our van. The next thing i knew, he had the door open and was dragging me out of the van. Without thinking, I started fighting back and had backed him up about 10-12 feet but he ended up throwing me down. My wife in the meantime was hollering andblowing the horn. She was struggling with him to prevent him from taking the car. He was probably 6ft to 6 - 2 tall and probably 200-220. Those of you that I have met know that I am 5ft 7 > . > He did manage to get the keys. The hotel manager came out and put him in a choke hold and dragged him out of the van. The guy broke lose - and here the story takes a bizarre twist. He runs past me and i barely missed tripping him. He was also a guest at the hotel. He ran back to his room to get something and was returning. My wife helped me up as I could not stand up bymyself. We got into the van as he approached. He kept clicking our keys toopen the van and we kept locking it as he unlocked it. He tried to use ourkeys to unlock other people's cars. He then took off running and disappeared down the street. We thought he took our keys with him but we found them in the driveway. About 6-7 police cars arrived and 2 stayed with us and five went to look for him. They called EMS for me, everything checked out fine. Blood pressure and blood sugar were very high but over about an hour theyreturned to fairly normal. The police photographer took picture of my cutsand bruises - I guess for evidence. The police and hotel manager also searched his room but came up empty. They changed the lock on his door so he could not get back in. He had posted a $250 deposit along with a copy of his drivers license. I have no idea of what he was thinking - I guess he was under the influence of dome mind altering drug. The police did not find him(they think he ran into one of the hospitals to hide) so we packed everything into the van and proceeded to a casino where we spent the night. > Of course, I am sore as can be, the one good thing was he did not have a weapon. It still bothers me as I write this. It is an experience I hope no one else ever has to go through. > I better quit writing as it keeps getting longer and longer. > Thank you for reading and I am happy we are all alive, > Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 03:54:54 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Paper quality question for 1935 Goudey 4-in-1 From: Matthew Glidden Favor to ask, if you've got some 1935 Goudeys. I bought a 4-in-1 recently that's heavily creased and its paper quality didn't feel quite right to me. I've expected cards from that era to hold a certain level of stiffness, even when creased several times, and this paper felt worse, like it might be a really good modern reprint. I've checked my dozen or so other 1935s and can't come to confident conclusion. If you have some beat-up 1935s, could you check out their "paper feel" and see if you think they're different (lower-quality stock) than other Goudeys? Especially if you have one of the blue border puzzles (#2 or #7 puzzle backs), as that's my card in question. Thanks! ================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 00:32:52 -0500 To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] almost car jacked From: ShoelessWes I wish i was in the back of your van when this happened. Im glad you fought back. In the very least it may have bought time until someone could come assist. I tend to think he realized all his 70s Kelloggs sets were illegitimate without the back variations, smoked crack, and went bonkers. Im glad you and your wife are okay. Wes Shepard > On Jan 21, 2017, at 7:33 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That's just insane!!! Especially after he checked into the hotel and left his ID. Maybe he was upstairs reading about green tints and copyright asterisks and just lost it. Glad you guys are safe...wow. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > Wow! Terrible story but with a satisfactory ending, thankfully. It sounds like a TV show but is not fun. He definitely was on something. These junkies will do whatever it takes to further their habit. Sad. I am glad you made it and hope you never go through it again. > Tom Billing >> On Jan 21, 2017, at 5:56 PM, rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> This past week we spent the week in Albuquerque looking for coca cola items for my wife and visiting the local casinos. Thursday night we returnedto the hotel at about 10:30. As we pulled into the parking lot we noticed a man , without shoes, standing in the parking lot. It was about 45 degrees. As we parked he came over the van - I assumed he was going to ask for money. Instead, he started out saying he was going to take our van. The next thing i knew, he had the door open and was dragging me out of the van. Without thinking, I started fighting back and had backed him up abou t 10-12 feet but he ended up throwing me down. My wife in the meantime was hollering and blowing the horn. She was struggling with him to prevent him from takingthe car. He was probably 6ft to 6 - 2 tall and probably 200-220. Those of you that I have met know that I am 5ft 7 >> . >> He did manage to get the keys. The hotel manager came out and put him ina choke hold and dragged him out of the van. The guy broke lose - and herethe story takes a bizarre twist. He runs past me and i barely missed tripping him. He was also a guest at the hotel. He ran back to his room to get something and was returning. My wife helped me up as I could not stand up by myself. We got into the van as he approached. He kept clicking our keys to open the van and we kept lock ing it as he unlocked it. He tried to use our keys to unlock other people's cars. He then took off running and disappeared down the street. We thought he took our keys with him but we found them in the driveway. About 6-7 police cars arrived and 2 stayed with us and five went to look for him. They called EMS for me, everything checked out fine. Blood pressure and blood sugar were very high but over about an hour they returned to fairly normal. The police photographer took picture of my cuts and bruises - I guess for evidence. The police and hotel manager also searched his room but came up empty. They changed the lock on his door so he could not get ! back in. He had posted a $250 deposit along with a copy of his drivers license. I have no idea of what he was thinking - I guess he was under the influence of dome mind altering drug. The police did not find him(they think he ran into one of the hospitals to hide) so we packed everything into the van and proceeded to a cas ino where we spent the night. >> Of course, I am sore as can be, the one good thing was he did not have aweapon. It still bothers me as I write this. It is an experience I hope noone else ever has to go through. >> I better quit writing as it keeps getting longer and longer. >> Thank you for reading and I am happy we are all alive, >> Richard Labs ================= Date: 22 Jan 2017 03:42:07 -0800 To: Subject: 1963 Fleer Checklist From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 07:21:28 -0600 Subject: NEW SETS ADDED KELLOGG's BASEBALL/ FOOTBALL From: "Ken & Linda" Just added Kellogg's baseball from 1970-1974.........and Football 1970, and71' Any help greatly appreciated. Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 1970 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL WANTS-ANY COND.-2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,32,33,34,36,37,38,39,40,43,44, 1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL WANTS-ANY COND.-1a,1b,2,3a,3b,4a,4b,5,6a,6b,7a,7b,8,9a,9b,10,11,12,13,14a,14b,15,16,17,18,19,20,21a,21b,22,23,24a,24b,25, 1972 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL WANTS-ANY COND.-1a,1b,2,3a,3b,4,5,6,7a,7b,8,9a,9b,10,11,12,13a,13b,14,15a,15b,16,17,18a,18b,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26a,26b, 1972 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL ALL-TIME GREATS WANTS-ANY.COND,-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15. 1973 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL WANTS-ANY COND.-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39, 1974 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL WANTS-ANY COND.-1,2,3,4,5,6,7a,7b,8,9,10a,10b,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34a,34b, 1970 KELLOGG'S FOOTBALL CARD NEEDS-Listed 1-18-17. ANY COND.-1,2,5,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15, 1971 KELLOGG'S FOOTBALL CARD NEEDS-Listed 1-18-17. ANY COND.-1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13, ================= Date: 22 Jan 2017 05:57:21 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire: 1980 Kellogg's Steve Garvey From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 22 Jan 2017 17:38:04 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: 52 bowman prices From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 02:56:34 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook From: Matthew Glidden Dodger collectors rejoice! As OldCardboard mentioned in their latest newsletter, Mike Wheat recently finished a massive labor of love checklisting team sets for just about all known sets. Follow the download link from their library for the whole deal: http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/ref.asp As they note, it's a 60MB file, in case storage space or data usage is a premium for you. ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:54:23 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Missed the weekend, but here are some early 60's for you fellas... From: chris tripler claim away gentlemen...(sorry West Coast brethren, I'll post the '60 & '61 Waivers at midnight EST for your 8/9 guys tonight... 1963.#s 14, 23, 33, 41, 48, 55, 60, 73, 79 (ck'd and one unck'd), 91,96, 101, 124, 131, 139, 145, 351, 376 1962.#s 15, 26, 27, 32, 36, 49, 64, 68, 79, 89, 92, 93, 104, 131, 197, 211, 221, 223, 242, 270, 303, 322and...a Green Tint #165 there's more, but I have to shave and go take a shower before work... have a wonderful OBC week, everyone! ================= To: Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 10:50:16 -0500 Subject: Trade Reference - Joe Miller From: "Bob Donaldson" Just contacted by Joe Miller, millerlitebowl@gmail.com , for a potential trade. Anyone deal with ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Bob Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:01:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Reference - Joe Miller From: JAY TYSVER He is a member of VCT. I've traded with him and have had no problems. I can't remember the specifics, but if nothing stood out, I can't imagine there was anything detrimental. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 9:50 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Reference - Joe Miller Just contacted by Joe Miller, millerlitebowl@gmail.com, for a potential trade. Anyone deal with him? ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:15:51 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Reference - Joe Miller From: JDahms ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 11:16:25 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Reference - Joe Miller From: Steve Hi Bob, Last year he contacted me out of the blue, he saw my wantlists on OBC and wanted to know if I would trade with him. I took a chance and was happy withmy first deal with him. I have since made several more trades and all havebeen very satisfying. He is honest and fair, and I am awaiting his latest envelope as I write this. Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2017, at 10:50 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > Just contacted by Joe Miller, millerlitebowl@gmail.com, for a potential trade. Anyone deal with him? > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 08:29:52 -0800 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Reference - Joe Miller From: John Stamper Many members of other groups have hi condition requirements. Also some wantan even trade and don't follow our way of thinking. John Stamper > On Jan 23, 2017, at 8:25 AM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Seems to me that if all of you have had successful trades with him---whyhasn't he taken the plunge with OBC? > peter mead > On 01/23/17, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I second what Jay said. No issues at all > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 1/23/17 10:50 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Reference - Joe Miller > Hi > Just contacted by Joe Miller, millerlitebowl@gmail.com, for a potential trade. Anyone deal with him? > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 16:53:11 +0000 (UTC) To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook From: Geordie Calvert I can't get any of those .pdf files to load. Anyone else having the same issue? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:56:34 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook Dodger collectors rejoice! As OldCardboard mentioned in their latest newsletter, Mike Wheat recently finished a massive labor of love checklisting team sets for just about all known sets. Follow the download link from their library for the whole deal: http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/ref.asp As they note, it's a 60MB file, in case storage space or data usage is a premium for you. ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 17:18:26 +0000 (UTC) To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook From: Geordie Calvert Weird. I tried closing Chrome and opening back up, but it didn't help. I was able to download it lickety split with Firefox, though. Thanks for the reply, Joel. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joel Freedman" To: "Geordie Calvert" Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 8:59:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook no issues, just did it in the last ten minutes! On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:53 AM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: I can't get any of those .pdf files to load. Anyone else having the same issue? From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com To: "obc ramblings" < obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2017 6:56:34 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook Dodger collectors rejoice! As OldCardboard mentioned in their latest newsletter, Mike Wheat recently finished a massive labor of love checklisting team sets for just about all known sets. Follow the download link from their library for the whole deal: http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/ref.asp As they note, it's a 60MB file, in case storage space or data usage is a premium for you. ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 12:51:12 -0600 To: Geordie Calvert , Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Wheat's new team checklist ebook From: mzentko ================= Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:42:15 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Back in the saddle again From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, I finally broke down and got internet at the house after a nearly two year hiatus. It feels weird hunting and pecking on a keyboard instead of the five inch "not so smart phone" screen. I got each of my kids their own tablet for Christmas, so Daddy's house wouldn't be so boring when they came to visit. I had to pay the cable company the money I owed them from two years ago before they would turn it back on. This time I have the cheapest plan they offer using my own modem and router - and I figured out how to get it set up like the computer expert I always hoped I could be ;-) One of the drawbacks to using a loptop and/or desktop is that I'm using the internet a lot more - and spending more time on eBay and COMC unfortunately. But I have a couple hundred Hostess and Twinkie cards on the way here now :-D One of the advantages with the phone was that it autosaved everything. This is the second time I've started typing this note, as I somehow hit the button to print - to a wireless printer I don't have, then had to close the program and lose all my work. (Now I'll just have to be diligent in saving my work from time to time. Speaking of work, Wednesday is the store's semi-annual inventory. We all go crazy fixing up the back room and counting everything for the inventory team. They count what's on the sales floor and take the numbers from the back room from us. This is the second time in two weeks I'm doing this, as it got cancelled the last time because not enough people showed up from the team that counts everything. I was not happy about getting to do it all over I can't wait to see the Superbowl in two weeks. It should be an interesting game with two great offenses and two suspect defenses going at it. It might come down to whoever has the ball last... and I hope it's the Pats that have it last in that case. Anyway, I need to get some sleep before the madness at work tomorrow. Maybe tomorrow I'll work on clearing some of the cards off my desk via waiver wire and DS to make room for the ones that are inbound. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: 24 Jan 2017 03:29:09 -0800 To: Subject: Early Riser Special - 1934 Ya-Lo Football Card Waivers From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 11:50:22 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Waiver Wire Carcass... From: chris tripler My apologies to the west coast brethren...I fell asleep (still can't figure out why I was so wiped out)... So, I'll try and post the next waiver claim tranche tonight... But, here's all the remaining meat left on the carcass of the last couple waivers...plus, a small addition... 1969.23, 26, 51, 386, 403, 409, 423 1968.207, 301, 350 Wilhelm, 356 unmarked CL,cap fully within circle 1967.208, 212, 281, 324 1966.8, 40, 61, 122, 152, 162 1965.104 CLs (1 mk'd, 1 unmk'd), 112, 141, 189 (2 unmk'd CL's), 273 ck'd CL 1963.14, 23, 33, 41, 48, 60, 73, 79 (1 unck'd CL, 2 mk'd), 96, 101, 139, 376 1962.#s 15, 26, 27, 32, 36, 49, 64, 68, 79, 89, 104, 197, 322 and if you paid attention this long...1960 Topps, Gray Backs. (more usual OBC stock, Tiptons for sure)#s 114, 128, 130, 135, 147, 151, 178, 182, 185, 192, 198, 374, 452, 476 have fun, boys! ================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 06:48:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Early Riser Special - 1934 Ya-Lo Football Card Waivers From: Anson Whaley Both cards are gone - apologies for discriminating against the rest of you fine folks not yet awake but I promise I will have more of these in the future that will be later in the day. :) On Tue, Jan 24, 2017 at 6:29 AM, ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Up for grabs are a pair of 1934 Ya-Lo football cards from the classic > vintage game. I have one offensive card and one defensive card to share. If > I get more than one reply, the first two will split the pair. > If you've never heard of these, you're almost surely not alone. These are > cards from a football board game back in the 1930s and I wrote a little > about them here: > https://prewarcards.com/2016/10/01/1934-ya-lo-yalo-football-cards-set-and- > checklist/ > I believe the 1925 cards have numbers on them so these should be from the > 1934 game. An interesting fact is that Red Grange was actually involved in > the company's founding. While the player is mostly believed to be generic, > it depicts the same player on both offense and defense and Grange played > both. Because of that and his involvement with the company, some people > believe this could actually be a Grange card. > Have a great day - > Anson ================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 07:51:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay prices From: Rob Bessette Is it just me, or do eBay prices seem to be going up? Lots that I used to bid on and take a crack at seem to be going for way more than they used to. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Rob Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 13:10:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay prices From: JAY TYSVER I believe lots and partial sets have gone up a bit. Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:51 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay prices Is it just me, or do eBay prices seem to be going up? Lots that I used to bid on and take a crack at seem to be going for way more than they used to. ================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:13:40 -0500 To: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay prices From: Mike Glasser It feels that way to me too but only when I'm buying, not selling. Prices seem high especially for better condition stuff. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD 14630 York Rd Sparks, MD 21152 > On Jan 24, 2017, at 7:51 AM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is it just me, or do eBay prices seem to be going up? Lots that I used tobid on and take a crack at seem to be going for way more than they used to. ================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 08:13:16 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay prices From: Rob Bessette Yeah. Those are the ones I tend to go after. Seems like they've raised quite a bit. Haven't pulled the trigger on anything for awhile. > On Jan 24, 2017, at 8:10 AM, JAY TYSVER wrote: > I believe lots and partial sets have gone up a bit. > Jay Tysver > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2017 6:51 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay prices > Is it just me, or do eBay prices seem to be going up? Lots that I used tobid on and take a crack at seem to be going for way more than they used to. ================= Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 10:00:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] anybody interested in starting a Dormand From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Anyone wishing to split this lot, let me know. I only need 4 of the 9: 120 Bollweg 122 Carrasquel 123 Coleman 135 Robinson. Other numbers are: 110McDougal 117 McDonald 118 Woodling 123 Miranda 134 Gorman. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 24, 2017 8:42 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] anybody interested in starting a Dormand Postcard set? Pretty reasonable ebay lot of 9 Dormand postcards. BIN at $50--with a best offer option. $5/per postcard is a decent price--set includes mostly Yankees with five Dodgers (Campy, Hodges, Erskine, PeeWee and Furillo), a couple White Sox and Bobby Shantz of the A's. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-55-Dormand-Postcards-9-Yankees-Coleman-McDougald-Woodling-Bolling-Gorman-/122323112170?hashitem1c7b0690ea:g:BpQAAOSwop= ================= Date: 24 Jan 2017 10:41:47 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= To: , Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2017 15:08:40 -0800 Subject: Reminder on RAOKs From: "George Vrechek" I am still in California (Redondo Beach) for another 3 weeks and my mail is staying in Chicago. If you send me something, I'll post thanks when I get home. Or, you can tell me what you sent, I can cross the cards off my list, and I'll post thanks in advance. In any event, it is great to get mail, even if I'm not there yet. George Vrechek ================= Date: 24 Jan 2017 15:54:01 -0800 To: Subject: Some waivers tonight From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 24 Jan 2017 18:16:32 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire Update From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: 24 Jan 2017 19:37:47 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire Final From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 11:43:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1977 Topps Star Wars starter sets From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I'm looking to either sell these lots or trade them for non-sports sets needs (or other starter sets from other sports). No idea on a price yet, so we can talk about that later if you have nothing for trade. Looking to unload them as a starter set rather than digging through to findnumbers for you (except for the last lot.....see below). 1977 Topps Star Wars! Starter Set #1 282 different cards Series 1 65 Series 2 66 Series 3 49 Series 4 53 Series 5 32 Stickers 17 Starter Set #2 183 different cards Series 1 61 Series 2 56 Series 3 25 Series 4 20 Series 5 8 Stickers 13 Starter Set #3 124 different cards Series 1 58 Series 2 46 Series 3 5 Series 4 4 Series 5 3 Stickers 8 Starter Set #4 79 different cards Series 1 48 Series 2 27 Series 3 0 Series 4 0 Series 5 1 Stickers 3 Duplicate Lot 116 dupes Series 1 99 Series 2 16 Stickers 1 (Feel free to let me know which numbers you need from these series, or if you want the whole batch.) My lists are tough right now, but I'll be adding some soon. I've been focusing on the business as mentioned a couple months ago. Trying to slowly get back into it. :) Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:08:02 +0000 Subject: FLEER FEBRUARY is coming. Are you ready? From: Aaron Shirley FLEER. 1959 Ted Williams. 1960 and 1961 Baseball Greats. World Series, Wildest Days, Famous Feats... And yes, some UV stuff. Would you like to share in a month-long project, with ALL of us, actively sharing as much Fleer as we possibly can? Donruss December seemed like quitea hit, thanks to all the guys who participated. I'd love to see WAY MORE of us involved in Fleer February though. Especially since it has more vintage to talk about, and I know an awful lot of us are working on those sets. It all starts, as you might have guessed, on February 1st. That's just a week away! So I ask you: are your Fleer wantlists up-to-date? Can you dig outall your Fleer dupes? Are you ready for FLEER FEBRUARY? ================= Date: 25 Jan 2017 13:25:18 -0800 To: Subject: 1979 Topps Waiver From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 17:24:16 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thanks From: "Thomas W. Billing" Dan Angland: Thank you so much for your generosity in sending me that Wall Berger match book cover. He was a Red ultimately so I collect his stuff. Tom Billing ================= Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 22:31:19 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Alternative Cards From: cardclctor@aol.com Are you tired of the same old cards in your collection? Want to expand your interests? Take your pick of these to help you along in that regard. Addresses to speed packing are always helpful. I'll try to spread the wealth as best I can, so it's not necessarily FCFS. I also have a DS post coming soon to try to recoup some of that Paypal money I spent on eBay and COMC. A lot of these are variations and high numbers. Most are not for the condition sensitive either. Claim away! 1939 Playball 89 Waner (most of it anyway - 5 corner variation) 1949 Bowman 109 (printed NOB) 1954 Topps 36 Wilhelm 1956 Topps (all white backs) 90-dated 103 104 116 154 154 158 171 1958 Topps 108 Landis YT 433 ancho Herrera 1960 Topps 136 Kaat RC 1962 Topps 110 137 (I think they're both green tints) 1964 Topps 543 Uecker 1966 Topps 288 Sutton RC 530 Roberts(BD) 537 Franks 1967 Topps 146 Carlton 480 McCovey 510 Maz 1970 Topps Super 32 36 1971 Topps 45 Hunter 619 646 651 654 706 706 707 751 752 1971 Fleer WS 1(trashed) 68 1973 Topps 544 546 546 552 556 556 563 568 581 582 584 593 598 599 613 613 613 621 631 631 631 632 634 635 642 642 643 645 645 651 1974 Topps 599 (Wash) 1975 Hostess 7 114 148 Twinkies 73 73 103 1976 Hostess 3 12 64 64 64 65 65 124 Twinkies 22 1977 Hostess Twinkies 16 24 28 38 47 55 1978 Hostess 128 Rose 1979 Kellogg's 10 27 33 33 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 15:58:13 +0000 Subject: 1974 Topps Deckle From: Aaron Shirley Anyone have any of these? Anyone know much of their story? Why are they so rare? They're a birth-year issue, and I've never had one (or even seen one, I think). Looks like they're all pretty pricey on eBay. Were they known to be rare, and therefore all kept in nice condition? ================= To: Grant Rainsley , OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:41:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle From: Aaron Shirley Interesting article, thanks. I don't wish to get in on the PSA dogfight forthese cards. I would someday like to get ONE, though. Like maybe a Cardinal or one of the 500HR guys. I get the feeling that PSA gobbles these thingsup. Probably a higher percentage of the available examples than most othersets. So yeah... probably I'll never find one... but it would be neat. Thanks again for the article - it was pretty much what I was looking for. FROM GRANT: http://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/8465/psa-set-registry-rough-around-edges-tackling-1974-topps-deckle-edge-baseball-card From: Grant Rainsley Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:47 AM To: 'Aaron Shirley' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle Good article on the PSA board........ http://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/8465/psa-set-registry-rough-around-edges-tackling-1974-topps-deckle-edge-baseball-card [http://images.collectors.com/smrweb/smr0415/1974-Topps-Deckle-Edge-1-Amos-Otis-White-Back-MINT-9-14868500_sm.jpg], Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 13:43:26 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle From: "Bob Donaldson" I was a baseball card crazy 12 year old in 1974, and I'd never saw nor heard of them. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 10:58 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle Anyone have any of these? Anyone know much of their story? Why are they so rare? Etc They're a birth-year issue, and I've never had one (or even seen one, I Looks like they're all pretty pricey on eBay. Were they known to be rare, and therefore all kept in nice condition? ================= Date: 26 Jan 2017 14:29:38 -0800 To: Subject: 1991 Leaf Studio Revisited...... From: rangersteve7@optonline.net ================= Date: 26 Jan 2017 15:51:51 -0800 To: Subject: Mr Mint From: bdangelo@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:05:31 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, bdangelo@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mr Mint From: Joel Freedman Hi Bob, can you share the obit? On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 6:51 PM bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi gang, > You may have seen the reports about the passing of Alan Rosen, a k a "Mr. > Mint," who died today. I am going to do a rewrite of the story for Cox > Media Group tonight, so I will incorporate some stuff that I know. But if > any of you have a story, anecdote or impression that you would like to > share for publication, please email me tonight (1/26) at bdangelo@aol.com. > I promise to quote you properly and spell your name right :). > Bob ================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 19:32:15 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC Superbowl Pool #17!!!! From: Sean McGowan It is that time of year again! (I'm actually a couple days late!) Get you name in for the 17th version of the OBC Superbowl pool. No money down! If you are unfamiliar, go to last year's results at: http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-16.htm you can look at the whole history as well with the links across the bottom. The short of it is... the winners get cards from everyone else. It is very low key and low pressure, and responsible for nearly 7000 OBC hits over the years! So, email me that you want in... spread the word... You have until a week from tonight to get your name in. Let me know if you have any Go OBC! ================= To: , Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 20:02:29 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Tip Top berra From: "Matt Yudt" Hi Bryan I did not go back yet, but could/would this Saturday. He had 4 of these Yogi Berra rookie Tip Top cards and I was thinking if anyone else wants to get one, perhaps I can get him lower than the $75 he quoted me a couple weeks ago (gonna try for $60-65). I believe John Stamper replied with interest. John, please confirm you would want one. Anyone else? Please reply by Saturday afternoon From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2017 3:35 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Matt Yudt ; familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra Hi Matt, Did you get a chance to visit with the "Yogi" seller? Just letting you know that I'm still interested... OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: familytoad@comcast.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com , Matt Sent: January 14, 2017 at 8:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] Hi Matt...I am interested in the Tip Top Yogi...did you say he had 4 of them? Tip Tops were heavily reprinted, but that picture you shared looks real. 75 looks fair as well, although a little lower would be even better LOL. If you are going next week, let me know... OBC forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: January 14, 2017 at 7:38 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] saturday card fix; tip top berra [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Matt Yudt included below] Went to Zern=E2=99s farmers market today =E2=93 definitely within theT of Pennsylvania cultural maps, and a little over an hour northwest of downtown philly, but pretty close for me. A dying breed of markets, and thisone is now on sale too, after 94 years of operation. A guy named Greg Bickta has a stand, Greg=E2=99s Vintage Vinyl & Sportscards, and I try and visit every few months, he=E2=99s only there on Saturdays. Tiny place, but as the name suggests, always great music playing and fresh cards to look through =E2=93 Glenn, you would love this. His ebay id is =E2imfinallyon=E2=99 and he showed me the lots of low grade late 60=E2=99she just auctioned, and I wondered if any of us were the victors. I didn=E2=99t have a lot of time as I had my daughter and her friend (13 year olds) were along, and I knew after the pet shop, they wouldn=E2=99t be having as much fun as I. I was disappointed, the binder that had a chunk ofkellogs that I noticed just as I was leaving last time, turned out to be all 79-83 varieties, of which I didn=E2=99t need. He has a lot of football, but I really wanted to get some baseball hits and I=E2=99m not comfortable yet with football prices having just started this, so better to just=E2browse=E2=99 that. I only spent $50 =E2=93 on 6 cards. (Just bought an OPC lot of 1970 baseball on ebay yesterday and don=E2=99t want to bust the Jan card budget already). I got 4 posts =E2=93 2 Aarons and 2 Mays =E2=93 a 61 and 62 of each, and a 59 Koufax, and the last is probably the best deal =E2=93 the 67 Red Sox team card =E2=93 a dreaded hi# 604. I paid $12 minus ~8%, knowing this was low. When I checked my =E2research=E2=99 from ebay sold listings the range was $30-70.So that felt good. Not used to averaging over $8 card, but I know if I want to complete some sets and get that topps run down, its going take a lotmore than that. Call it a warm-up. Greg does a show down in Delaware usually every month, and mentioned all the non-sports he sold. Turns out one of the guys is Mike Glasser! Greg doesn=E2=99t do a whole lot of non-sports and what he had was from a larger sports collection he bought. Sounded like Mike was helpful to HIM, regarding value of some of what he had. Gotta love OBC. Finally, I almost forgot, he seemed to get excited to mention he just got 4off grade 1947 Tip Top bread Yogi Berra cards, that he would sell for $75.Looks like that=E2=99s about 15% book =E2=93 here=E2=99s a photo=E2=93 let me know if anyone is interested. I would love an excuse to go back next Saturday=E2=A6 Wow, that was morgan-esque rambling. Enjoy the rest of the weekend! Matt Yudt ================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 21:11:26 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle From: Joshua Levine I have a few for my Phillies collection. They were a test issue and originally issued in New England if I recall correctly. They are rare and many arenot mint. I have seen condition all over the place and prices all over theplace as well. They also have a ton of variations including grey and whitebacks, blank backs, and no deckle versions. Completing a set is very toughbut I have seen it done. Completing a master set is crazy difficult (neverseen it attempted much less completed). If you wait around long enough, you might be able to find a mid-low grade one in a decent price range for your birth year type collection. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Jan 26, 2017 7:58 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle Anyone have any of these? Anyone know much of their story? Why are they so rare? They're a birth-year issue, and I've never had one (or even seen one, I think). Looks like they're all pretty pricey on eBay. Were they known to be rare, and therefore all kept in nice condition? ================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 18:28:44 -0800 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Topps Deckle From: Rick I only need 16 more to finish the set. Most of mine are in lower grade it has stalled out a few years ago prices have skyrocketed and almost everything on eBay is graded and expensive. Stars are untouchable now so I can't remember when the last time I bought one. I think a couple years back there was some low grade ones for buy it now $6-8 but didn't need any. I threw it out there and think John stamper bought a few but haven't seen any in that price range since. I would think lower grade commons probably go for at least $10-15 range. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2017, at 7:58 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Anyone have any of these? Anyone know much of their story? Why are they so rare? Etc > They're a birth-year issue, and I've never had one (or even seen one, I think). > Looks like they're all pretty pricey on eBay. Were they known to be rare,and therefore all kept in nice condition? > Aaron ================= Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 22:01:15 -0500 To: OBC-DealerScum Subject: 1/26 waiver wire From: Rob Bessette Hi guys, All these are up for grabs. Please include address. 1958 TOPPS 1959 TOPPS 328, 392, 402, 443 1960 FLEER 1961 TOPPS 9, 216 1961 FLEER 1962 TOPPS 12, 23, 44, 74, 89, 102, 202, 262, 272, 410 1963 FLEER 1963 TOPPS 1964 TOPPS 1966 TOPPS ================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 04:00:32 +0000 (UTC) To: Sean McGowan , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Superbowl Pool #17!!!! From: Donnie Barnett Sounds like fun! Count me in Sean. Donnie Barnett Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:32 PM, Sean McGowan seanobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] It is that time of year again! (I'm actually a couple days late!) Get you name in for the 17th version of the OBC Superbowl pool. No money down! If you are unfamiliar, go to last year's results at:http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-16.htm you can look at the whole history as well with the links across the bottom.The short of it is... the winners get cards from everyone else. It isvery low key and low pressure, and responsible for nearly 7000 OBC hits over the years! So, email me that you want in... spread the word... Youhave until a week from tonight to get your name in. Let me know if you have any questions.Go OBC!Sean ================= Date: 26 Jan 2017 20:33:42 -0800 To: Subject: Late Night Waiver Wire - 1880s trade card From: ansonwhaley@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 00:20:22 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Alan Rosen, "Mr. Mint", passed away tonight From: Wayne Delia Sports Collectors Digest and Beckett are reporting that Alan "Mr. Mint" Rosen died on Thursday at what we think is the age of 71 years old, the second icon that the hobby lost this month (Bob Lemke passed away on January 3). There will be many stories about how he was a tremendous driving force for the hobby, and I'm sure if I worked on it for a week or two, I could think of a few nice things to say about him - he once sold me a dead mint 1951 Bowman Pee Wee Reese for the then-exorbitant price of twenty bucks. But my general impression of Alan was "not very impressed." He was a bully, demanding the best, most visible table available at shows, and he wanted to set up for free (and often did), as the promoters knew he would draw in many buyers and sellers. The way he'd go around to tables looking for material to buy at his deep dealer's discount amounted to shaking them down like a mob boss. At a Willow Grove show, I personally witnessed him offering an experienced collector a mint 1949 Bowman common for $25. The collector said the best he could do was $20 and wouldn't budge. Alan crumpled the card in his hand, then showed it to the collector, saying "OK, now you can have it for $20." At the same show, he shoo'd away a few younger collectors who wanted to sell him three bumper stickers for a total of 25 cents - something like "Baseball Card Fever" and a few other generic slogans. I couldn't believe it. I gave the kids a quarter for them, and they're still in my collection - I pretend to myself that I bought something at Willow Grove that Mr. Mint couldn't afford. An apocryphal story, maybe 65% chance (or higher) of being true, was that at one of the Willow Grove shows held in the George Washington Motor Lodge, a seller invited Alan to his hotel room to show him some material for sale. Rosen took a long careful look at the cards, then asked to use the bathroom. Took a long dump in the toilet, didn't flush, and on his way out he told the guy "No thanks" and left the hotel room. Real class act. Ironically, in his later years of wheeling and dealing, he acted like he didn't give a crap at all - he'd show up at the White Plains show in a white T-shirt. He did a lot for the hobby, but he also did a lot TO the hobby. Sure, he had the "finds" of cases full of mint high-ticket items, but what I remember most is the "T206 Wagner Uncut Sheet" (with a heavy crease going through the Wagner) offered for sale maybe in the early 1990's for the asking price of two million dollars. I think it later topped out at auction for a hundred So, if they're looking for somebody to write his eulogy, I'm probably not the guy to ask. ================= Date: 27 Jan 2017 05:11:31 -0800 To: Subject: 1975 Hostess Yaz error From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 16:07:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1975 Hostess Yaz error From: Aaron Shirley Oh man, now I'm at work and I can't go check which version I have! Plus I gotta look into my dupes and see if the other variety might be lurking there! Thanks, Jay. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 27, 2017 7:11 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1975 Hostess Yaz error I'm curious how much, scarcity etc... anyone knows about the 1975 Hostess Yastrzemski error. Many of us are aware of the Hooton, Madlock or Rader errors. However I recently heard of a Yaz error. Normally his cards list him asoutfield. However, he was, at the time converting to first base and there are some cards which list him as infield. The error isn't listed many places. When i first heard of it, I marked it down to check. Lo and behold, I checked this morning and have that error. Is it more common like the Madlock, or is it as rare as the Rader, or rarer? Jay Tysver ================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 13:13:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Late Night Waiver Wire - 1880s trade card From: Anson Whaley All - Sorry for the delayed response on this, but the card is now gone and was claimed relatively quickly. Will have more up later, friends. On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 11:33 PM, ansonwhaley@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Okay, my waiver wire notice a few days ago was for the early risers. This > one is for the night owls (at least on the east coast). > Up for grabs here is an 1880s H804-7 Baseball Comics trade card. I get > that most don't know what this is but it's part of a five-card set mostly > associated with Merchants Gargling Oil Liniment (even though other > advertisers used them as well) as I outlined in the link below on my > website. > The card being placed on waivers is 'Struck Out' featuring a batter who, > you guessed it, just struck out. The card is trimmed and has some paper > loss to the ad on the back but it's like 130 years old, paper thin, and has > a clean front. > First in gets it. And to spread things around a little, we'll make it the > first in who wasn't in on the last waiver claim I had for the 1934 Ya-Lo > football cards. > Thanks, > Anson > 1880s H804-7 Baseball Comics Were Typical Trade Cards > > [image: image] > > 1880s H804-7 Baseball Comics Were Typical Trad... > > =E2It=E2=99s In The Details=E2=99 Title H804-7 Baseball Comics Year Unknown (1880s) > Size 3 1/8=E2=B3 x 5 1/4=E2=B3 Images Color Type Trade Cards Numberin Set 5 H804-7 > Basebal... > View on prewarcards.com > > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 17:23:22 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A set Completed From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Hey Guys I completed a set. For me, that does not happen too much with these older 1973 TOPPS. Just bought the Schmidt rookie card from John Morrison. So, I now have 1973 card #1 with Hank Aaron through now. That is 44 years of Topps sets. 44, Hank's number. See how that works? Thanks a lot everyone. This could not be done without OBC generosity. Cards came from 47 OBCers. I hope I mention everone here. Please let me know if I did not. THANKS TO: Rich Niessen Jim Hatch Spike Glidden Lynn Miller Peter Mead Doug DeJong Richard Dingman Mac Wubben Jim Silva Randy Griffin Mike Rumley-Wells John Stamper Jeff Whitworth Aaron Shirley Jimmy Parker George Vrechek Mike Mroz Bill Malson Glenn Codere Steve Hitzeman Jason Christopherson Richard Labs TJ Valacak Ken Pillion Rick Lyons Linda Fitak Brian Lindholme Larry Gersbach Dan Angland Mark Talbot Matt Yudt Geno Wagner George Moore Don Rice Mike Rich Ray Luurs Jerry Coker Wes Shepard Kent Goto Mark Zentkovich Anthony Arbeeny Chris Tripler Sean Schuettpelz Mike Glasser Ed Hutchinson Nick Pelletier Thanks again, Randy Welk ================= Date: Fri, 27 Jan 2017 15:58:59 -0800 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A set Completed From: John Stamper Congratulations. That's as far back consecutively that I go back as well. Getting close on 1972 and than it goes back through 1968. I like your Aaron connection with 44. Good job!! John Stamper > On Jan 27, 2017, at 2:23 PM, rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey Guys > I completed a set. For me, that does not happen too much with these older > 1973 TOPPS. Just bought the Schmidt rookie card from John Morrison. So, Inow have 1973 card #1 with Hank Aaron through now. That is 44 years of Topps sets. 44, Hank's number. See how that works? > Thanks a lot everyone. This could not be done without OBC generosity. Cards came from 47 OBCers. > I hope I mention everone here. Please let me know if I did not. > THANKS TO: > Rich Niessen > Jim Hatch > Spike Glidden > Lynn Miller > Peter Mead > Doug DeJong > Richard Dingman > Mac Wubben > Jim Silva > Randy Griffin > Mike Rumley-Wells > John Stamper > Jeff Whitworth > Aaron Shirley > Jimmy Parker > EEK > George Vrechek > Mike Mroz > Bill Malson > Glenn Codere > Steve Hitzeman > Jason Christopherson > Richard Labs > TJ Valacak > Ken Pillion > Rick Lyons > Linda Fitak > Brian Lindholme > Larry Gersbach > Dan Angland > Mark Talbot > Matt Yudt > Geno Wagner > George Moore > Don Rice > Mike Rich > Ray Luurs > Jerry Coker > Wes Shepard > Kent Goto > Mark Zentkovich > Anthony Arbeeny > Chris Tripler > Sean Schuettpelz > Mike Glasser > Ed Hutchinson > Nick Pelletier > Thanks again, > Randy Welk ================= Date: 27 Jan 2017 18:22:05 -0800 To: Subject: 1970 Topps waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 08:56:48 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: And thanks for another set completed From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Another day, another set completed. This was the 1974 Set. It is a second set. I just wanted to thank again a bunch of guys. I really appreciate all the help. Like with the 1973 set, It is fun to get cards to add to what I got when I bought some in elementary school. What should I complete next? What is easier. 1968 1969 1970 1971 or 1972? Anyhow, thanks for seeing my last couple of rambles and thanks again to:(this list probably is missing a few guys) Rich Niessen Joe Adriance Lynn Miller Jeff Whitworth John Stamper Jason Christopherson George Moore Joe Denning TJ Valacak Brian Betza Don Rice Tom Elliot Bob Donaldson Brian Betza Larry Tipton Kent Goto Greg Henthorn Mike Glasser Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 10:39:25 -0500 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed From: JDahms ================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 08:33:16 -0800 To: JDahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed From: John Stamper Agreed. Some names like Jackson rookie and Mantle's last card add a challenge. The 71 set is relatively easy as well. 70 and 72 have a bunch of hi numbers. And the 68 has Ryan rookie. Good luck and let us know which you concentrate John Stamper > On Jan 28, 2017, at 7:39 AM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The 69 set is the easiest out of the sets you listed. IMO. Not a gimme byany means. Good luck > And congrats on 2 set completions > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 1/28/17 8:56 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed > Another day, another set completed. > This was the 1974 Set. It is a second set. I just wanted to thank again abunch of guys. > I really appreciate all the help. Like with the 1973 set, It is fun to get cards to add to what I got when I bought some in elementary school. > What should I complete next? What is easier. 1968 1969 1970 1971 or 1972? > Anyhow, thanks for seeing my last couple of rambles and thanks again to:(this list probably is missing a few guys) > Rich Niessen > Joe Adriance > Lynn Miller > Jeff Whitworth > John Stamper > Jason Christopherson > George Moore > Joe Denning > TJ Valacak > Brian Betza > Don Rice > Tom Elliot > Bob Donaldson > Brian Betza > Larry Tipton > Kent Goto > Greg Henthorn > Mike Glasser > Randy Welk ================= Date: 28 Jan 2017 17:19:48 +0000 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 14:34:15 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed From: Ken M Randy,  The 69 set is probably the easiest of those 5, simply because of the high number series for each set. Each set has it's tough cards though:1968: Ryan RC, Mantle, Manager's Dream, high numbered Tigers1969: Reggie RC, Mantle's last card, Ryan's 1st solo card1970: high numbers are tough (I actually see these the least at shows and in bargain boxes) and include Ryan and a young Johnny Bench1971: high number SP's will dive you crazy. Clemente, Allen, Baylor/Baker RC1972: 787 card monster with a full sheet of tough high numbers. Lots of stars and their "in action" cards to add to the difficultyThey are all "finishable". It's mostly a matter of finding the keys cards in low grade at a price you can live with... or finding reasonably priced group lots with some of the tougher ones mixed in. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Jan 28, 2017 8:56 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed Another day, another set completed.  This was the 1974 Set. It is a second set. I just wanted to thank again a bunch of guys. I really appreciate all the help. Like with the 1973 set, It is fun to get cards to add to what I got when I bought some in elementary school. What should I complete next? What is easier. 1968 1969 1970 1971 or 1972? Anyhow, thanks for seeing my last couple of rambles and thanks again to:(this list probably is missing a few guys) Rich NiessenJoe AdrianceLynn MillerJeff WhitworthJohn StamperJason ChristophersonGeorge MooreJoe DenningTJ ValacakBrian BetzaDon RiceTom ElliotBob DonaldsonBrian BetzaLarry TiptonKent GotoGreg HenthornMike Glasser Randy Welk ================= To: Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 18:02:22 -0800 Subject: Beverly Hills Baseball Card Shop Report From: "George Vrechek" I stopped into this shop in LA today run by Matt Federgreen and Zack Grakal. I've been there maybe 6 times over 10 years and found a few cards each time. They recognized me and knew I was part of the OBC group. In the past, there were listed as OBC-certified dealers. I had recommended them. This time was a rather unpleasant experience. Matt was particularly jammed up about the prospect of their having to thumb through a bunch of cards to maybe sell $20 worth of stuff - he actually said that. He would be paying his help more than he expected I might buy. I was the only customer in the store and there were 4 people working. They loosened up somewhat, but wouldn't let me touch the cards or even really inspect what they pulled. They gave me a price for the total. I wound up with a $10 card I didn't need, because they just bundled it into a holder. It was a white back and I had asked for a gray back. I spent 20 minutes there and $16 and they had plenty of other cards I needed. They seemed to have no interest in selling me anything else. There was still no one else in the store when I left. A possible plus to doing mail order business with them (which I know some OBCers have) would be that you don't have to deal with them personally. That will be my last trip to Beverly Hills (or California) Baseball Card Shop. Zack seems reasonable, but Matt must have sore feet. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 19:32:09 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re Beverly Hills Baseball Card Shop From: Larry Tipton Beverly Hills Baseball Card Shop (California Sports Cards) is not one of our OBC Certified dealers. They were removed a couple of years ago. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 28 Jan 2017 23:09:18 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Beverly Hills Baseball Card Shop Report From: Joshua Levine George and Patrick and all, I have two stories from Beverly Hills Baseball Card Shop... I used to work for another card shop about 20 minutes north of them in the San Fernando Valley when I was in college (19 or 20 years old). I would often see Matt at shows (he used to promote a local show or two if I recall). Once, at a show, I was looking at a dealer friends table and he had found aT205 for me. This was when I was only doing Phillies T205s and T206s. Turns out it was a Moran stray line but my dealer friend did not know how rare that was. He had marked it at $12. I offered him $75 after an explanation of the rarity. My dealer buddy said he would split the difference with me since he was making money either way and loved my honesty and I got the card for $40. Matt was there for the entire exchange and when I walked away he offered me $50 for the card knowing full well that I would have paid $75. I was annoyed but let it go. He later told me I was a fool to tell the dealer. I just walked away. Flash foward about 3 years and I found myself in Beverly Hills three doors down from his shop. I figured, why not? I walked in and said "Hi Matt" He just looked at me and asked if he knew me...I told him who I was, where I used to work, OBC, etc. He essentially just shrugged. Now, for those of you who have never been to his shop, it has two levels with a two or three step up to a raised level. The lower level holds shelves with boxes and glass cases. The upper level used to hold a glass curio cabinet with rarer cards (t,e,w, rare topps issues, etc.) and a catch all area of stuff they either were in process of sorting or just gave up on. And a back room for sorting and just starting out selling on the internet. I love shops like this as anyone who has been to a store with me can attest I love "THE SEARCH." I asked Matt if I could go up and dig through his stuff (including his back room). He said sure. So, in the curio cabinet, I found a Dockman Phillie, two T-206 Philles, and a 1956 Topps Pin. I put those aside and then started the real digging for oddball stuff. I found some topps glossy from the '80s I needed, a few early Laughlin Phillies, a 1951 Berk Ross, and a few other mid-80s oddball cards. As I was moving a box of what looked like 1964 Topps, I noticed some of the rows seemed a different card stock. I looked and they were still 1964 Topps but with black backs. I knew right away what they were. I pulled everyone I could find. I ended up with a stack of about 35 1964 Venezuelan cards. I then dug down again to find the '62 Topps box. No Venezuelans but it did yield some Topps bucks and stamps. I spent about an hour and a half searching and brought down a stack of about 300 cards. He was horrified!!! He actually said that he did not want to "look up every price for commons and oddball and crap." I will always remember that line because I immediately said that I would be clearing out his space of about three hundred pieces of crap. I added up the marked cards (the stuff from the curio and one '53 Bowman Black and White) and told him to give me a price on the rest. He estimated 250 cards (close) at 15 cents apiece which came to about $35 extra dollars. I offered him $15 since it was "crap" and he said fine. Ihave always said, if you want to be in business, remember someone might end up being a customer one day. If he had treated me with respect when I was19 and not called me a fool, he would not have been beaten on a deal by a fool. No idea what his store looks like now and I cannot remember the last time Ibought anything from him in person or online (I did get some bargains fromhim online in the late 90s and early 2000s but nothing since then). -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 28, 2017 6:02 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Beverly Hills Baseball Card Shop Report I stopped into this shop in LA today run by Matt Federgreen and Zack Grakal. I=E2=99ve been there maybe 6 times over 10 years and found a few cardseach time. They recognized me and knew I was part of the OBC group. In thepast, there were listed as OBC-certified dealers. I had recommended them. This time was a rather unpleasant experience. Matt was particularly jammed up about the prospect of their having to thumb through a bunch of cards to maybe sell $20 worth of stuff =E2=93 he actually said that. He would be paying his help more than he expected I might buy. I was the only customer in the store and there were 4 people working. They loosened up somewhat, but wouldn=E2=99t let me touch the cards or even really inspect what they pulled. They gave me a price for the total. I wound up with a $10 card I didn=E2=99t need, because they just bundled it into a ho lder. It was a white back and I had asked for a gray back. I spent 20 minutes there and $16 and they had plenty of other cards I needed. They seemed to have no interest in selling me anything else. There was still no one else in the store when I left. A possible plus to doing mail order business with them (which I know some OBCers have) would be that you don=E2=99t have to deal with them personally. That will be my last trip to Beverly Hills (or California) Baseball Card Shop. Zack seems reasonable, but Matt must have sore feet. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 00:23:42 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A thing or two about a thing or two From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, My recent waiver wire got about twenty one replies. I should have something for twenty of you, although I haven't gotten to the part where I start stuffing the envelopes yet. I just wrote down names and a brief description of what they requested - from specific cards to a short list to "just about everything". Then I try to go back and find at least one card. With the 20 names, I'll at least reach my goal of getting ten envelopes a month out in the mail for te months of January and February (since I'm going to end up overlapping the two months anyway). Then I can cross those names off and start working on the 100+ names left in the directory. :-) My thoughts on the passing of Mr. Mint... like Wayne, I didn't have anything to say for Bob's article. However, I didn't have any first hand stories about him, as my dealings with him were limited and mostly unmemorable. I would frequently walk by his table at the Ft. Washington show (only because it was right across or nearby other tables that I WANTED to boy something from). It was rare that he actually had anything for sale anyway. Usually it was some kind of auction preview or self promotion of his book - I do still have one of his 1955 Topps knockoffs with his picture on it though. I may have actually purchased something from his table (like a few loose 50's cards he was selling as 'junk') Mr. Rosen probably never said two words to me (I don't think he even noticed I was buying anything at his table, but I dealt with one of his minions). He always came off as a holier than thou, self aggrandizing, pompous arse. He probably put our hobby on the map, and was at least partially responsible for the card collecting boom of the early 80's, but I don't know if that's really a good thing the way it's heading now. He was the antithesis of OBC. In fact, my favorite memory of him was at one of my first Nationals. He had either paid or talked his way into being a corporate sponsor, so his mug was on all the goodie bags that were handed out with your admission. Everyone in OBC who attended the show that week took the stuff out of the bag, turned it inside out, then redeposited the contents back into the bag. I have also had one dealing with California Sportscards that I can barely recall. It was at one of the Nationals in Anaheim where they had set up a table at the show. I was buying or interested in some cards at the table and was told, "we have a lot more stuff at the shop. You should stop by and take a look." Well, I was impressed by the shop and the amount of stuff, both obscure and rare that he had there - or at least I think he had there, as I was not allowed to look through any of it. Instead, I just rattled off stuff on my list and he would grab a box and pick out a few things for me to pass or pay on. He got zero impulse buys from me that way - and I'm not even certain if it was worth the price of gas to drive over there for me. I'd rate the overall experience as "meh". Compared to my idea of what a typical card shop should be, it was very underwhelming. Well, I've babbled on long enough for one evening/early morning. As always, thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 00:29:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed From: "Matt Yudt" Although I agree with the sentiments about the relative set difficulties, I believe the correct OBC answer to Randy's FIRST question is - ALL OF THEM! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2017 2:34 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed The 69 set is probably the easiest of those 5, simply because of the high number series for each set. Each set has it's tough cards though: 1968: Ryan RC, Mantle, Manager's Dream, high numbered Tigers 1969: Reggie RC, Mantle's last card, Ryan's 1st solo card 1970: high numbers are tough (I actually see these the least at shows and in bargain boxes) and include Ryan and a young Johnny Bench 1971: high number SP's will dive you crazy. Clemente, Allen, Baylor/Baker RC 1972: 787 card monster with a full sheet of tough high numbers. Lots of stars and their "in acti on" cards to add to the difficulty They are all "finishable". It's mostly a matter of finding the keys cards in low grade at a price you can live with... or finding reasonably priced group lots with some of the tougher ones mixed in. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Jan 28, 2017 8:56 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] And thanks for another set completed Another day, another set completed. This was the 1974 Set. It is a second set. I just wanted to thank again a bunch of guys. I really appreciate all the help. Like with the 1973 set, It is fun to get cards to add to what I got when I bought some in elementary school. What should I complete next? What is easier. 1968 1969 1970 1971 or 1972? Anyhow, thanks for seeing my last couple of rambles and thanks again to:(this list probably is missing a few guys) Rich Niessen Joe Adriance Lynn Miller Jeff Whitworth John Stamper Jason Christopherson George Moore Joe Denning TJ Valacak Brian Betza Don Rice Tom Elliot Bob Donaldson Brian Betza Larry Tipton Kent Goto Greg Henthorn Mike Glasser Randy Welk ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:20:24 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller edwardsauctions2014 From: Matthew Glidden http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272537190571?vectorid=229466&lgeo=1&item=272537190571&rmvSB=true If you have the stomach for live auctions, this seller's posting a bunch of low grade vintage lots, including a stack of 1951 Bowman with plenty of recognizable names. Since it's live auction, note there's a buyer premium instead of eBay's normal seller fee. ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 09:30:57 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller edwardsauctions2014 From: Yahoo I saw these. If anyone wins one of these auctions I will pick it up for you. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2017, at 09:20, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272537190571?vectorid229466&lgeo1&item272537190571&rmvSBtrue > If you have the stomach for live auctions, this seller's posting a bunch of low grade vintage lots, including a stack of 1951 Bowman with plenty of recognizable names. Since it's live auction, note there's a buyer premium instead of eBay's normal seller fee. > Spike ================= To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 10:19:22 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two From: Yaz I never bought anything from Mr Mint, however Wade and I met him at one of the Nationals we went to. He was signing his book for people that he was giving away. He seemed pretty much a jerk, (I do feel bad about saying bad stuff about a dead guy but it's part of the context of this brief comment). Wade also wasn't much impressed and we made several jokes about him the rest of the day. I told Wade that he had died when I read it in Ramblings the other day. His question, "Did they slab him?" Greg (yaz) On 1/28/2017 11:23 PM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi all, > My recent waiver wire got about twenty one replies. I should have > something for twenty of you, although I haven't gotten to the part > where I start stuffing the envelopes yet. I just wrote down names and > a brief description of what they requested - from specific cards to a > short list to "just about everything". Then I try to go back and find > at least one card. With the 20 names, I'll at least reach my goal of > getting ten envelopes a month out in the mail for te months of January > and February (since I'm going to end up overlapping the two months > anyway). Then I can cross those names off and start working on the > 100+ names left in the directory. :-) > My thoughts on the passing of Mr. Mint... like Wayne, I didn't have > anything to say for Bob's article. However, I didn't have any first > hand stories about him, as my dealings with him were limited and > mostly unmemorable. I would frequently walk by his table at the Ft. > Washington show (only because it was right across or nearby other > tables that I WANTED to boy something from). It was rare that he > actually had anything for sale anyway. Usually it was some kind of > auction preview or self promotion of his book - I do still have one of > his 1955 Topps knockoffs with his picture on it though. I may have > actually purchased something from his table (like a few loose 50's > cards he was selling as 'junk') Mr. Rosen probably never said two > words to me (I don't think he even noticed I was buying anything at > his table, but I dealt with one of his minions). He always came off as > a holier than thou, self aggrandizing, pompous arse. He probably put > our hobby on the map, and was at least partially responsible for the > card collecting boom of the early 80's, but I don't know if that's > really a good thing the way it's heading now. He was the antithesis of > OBC. In fact, my favorite memory of him was at one of my first > Nationals. He had either paid or talked his way into being a corporate > sponsor, so his mug was on all the goodie bags that were handed out > with your admission. Everyone in OBC who attended the show that week > took the stuff out of the bag, turned it inside out, then redeposited > the contents back into the bag. > I have also had one dealing with California Sportscards that I can > barely recall. It was at one of the Nationals in Anaheim where they > had set up a table at the show. I was buying or interested in some > cards at the table and was told, "we have a lot more stuff at the > shop. You should stop by and take a look." Well, I was impressed by > the shop and the amount of stuff, both obscure and rare that he had > there - or at least I think he had there, as I was not allowed to look > through any of it. Instead, I just rattled off stuff on my list and he > would grab a box and pick out a few things for me to pass or pay on. > He got zero impulse buys from me that way - and I'm not even certain > if it was worth the price of gas to drive over there for me. I'd rate > the overall experience as "meh". Compared to my idea of what a typical > card shop should be, it was very underwhelming. > Well, I've babbled on long enough for one evening/early morning. As > always, thanks for reading. TAYL, > Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 11:45:37 -0500 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two From: Yahoo From all the comments sounds like if he was slab, it would only have been authentic. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:19, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I never bought anything from Mr Mint, however Wade and I met him at one of the Nationals we went to. He was signing his book for people that he was giving away. He seemed pretty much a jerk, (I do feel bad about saying bad stuff about a dead guy but it's part of the context of this brief comment).Wade also wasn't much impressed and we made several jokes about him the rest of the day. I told Wade that he had died when I read it in Ramblings theother day. His question, "Did they slab him?" > Greg (yaz) >> On 1/28/2017 11:23 PM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hi all, >> My recent waiver wire got about twenty one replies. I should have something for twenty of you, although I haven't gotten to the part where I start stuffing the envelopes yet. I just wrote down names and a brief description of what they requested - from specific cards to a short list to "just about everything". Then I try to go back and find at least one card. With the 20 names, I'll at least reach my goal of getting ten envelopes a month out in the mail for te months of January and February (since I'm going to end up overlapping the two months anyway). Then I can cross those names off and start working on the 100+ names left in the directory. :-) >> My thoughts on the passing of Mr. Mint... like Wayne, I didn't have anything to say for Bob's article. However, I didn't have any first hand stories about him, as my dealings with him were limited and mostly unmemorable.I would frequently walk by his table at the Ft. Washington show (only because it was right across or nearby other tables that I WANTED to boy something from). It was rare that he actually had anything for sale anyway. Usually it was some kind of auction preview or self promotion of his book - I do still have one of his 1955 Topps knockoffs with his picture on it though. Imay have actually purchased something from his table (like a few loose 50's cards he was selling as 'junk') Mr. Rosen probably never said two words to me (I don't think he even noticed I was buying anything at his table, butI dealt with one of his minions). He always came off as a holier than thou, self aggrandizing, pompous arse. He probably put our hobby on the map, and was at least partially responsible for the card collecting boom of the early 80's, but I don't know if that's really a good thing the way it's heading now. He was the antithesis of OBC. In fact, my favorite memory of him was at one of my first Nationals. He had either paid or talked his way into being a corporate sponsor, so his mug was on all the goodie bags that were handed out with your admission. Everyone in OBC who attended the show that week took the stuff out of the bag, turned it inside out, then redeposited the contents back into the bag. >> I have also had one dealing with California Sportscards that I can barely recall. It was at one of the Nationals in Anaheim where they had set up a table at the show. I was buying or interested in some cards at the table and was told, "we have a lot more stuff at the shop. You should stop by and take a look." Well, I was impressed by the shop and the amount of stuff,both obscure and rare that he had there - or at least I think he had there, as I was not allowed to look through any of it. Instead, I just rattled off stuff on my list and he would grab a box and pick out a few things for me to pass or pay on. He got zero impulse buys from me that way - and I'm not even certain if it was worth the price of gas to drive over there for me.I'd rate the overall experience as "meh". Compared to my idea of what a typical card shop should be, it was very underwhelming. >> Well, I've babbled on long enough for one evening/early morning. As always, thanks for reading. TAYL, >> Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 11:58:15 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two From: Ken M I read Wade's question too quickly at first and thought he asked if Mr. Mint was stabbed... but then I read it again and thought, "Well, it could've been either." Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sun, Jan 29, 2017 11:45 AMTo: yazobc@gmail.com;Cc: cardclctor@aol.com;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two From all the comments sounds like if he was slab, it would only have been authentic. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:19, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   I never bought anything from Mr Mint, however Wade and I met him at one of the Nationals we went to. He was signing his book for people that he was giving away. He seemed pretty much a jerk, (I do feel bad about saying bad stuff about a dead guy but it's part of the context of this brief comment). Wade also wasn't much impressed and we made several jokes about him the rest of the day. I told Wade that he had died when I read it in Ramblings the other day. His question, "Did they slab him?" Greg (yaz) On 1/28/2017 11:23 PM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Hi all,   My recent waiver wire got about twenty one replies. I should have something for twenty of you, although I haven't gotten to the part where I start stuffing the envelopes yet. I just wrote down names and a brief description of what they requested - from specific cards to a short list to "just about everything". Then I try to go back and find at least one card. With the 20 names, I'll at least reach my goal of getting ten envelopes a month out in the mail for te months of January and February (since I'm going to end up overlapping the two months anyway). Then I can cross those names off and start working on the 100+ names left in the directory. :-)   My thoughts on the passing of Mr. Mint... like Wayne, I didn't have anything to say for Bob's article. However, I didn't have any first hand stories about him, as my dealings with him were limited and mostly unmemorable. I would frequently walk by his table at the Ft. Washington show (only because it was right across or nearby other tables that I WANTED to boy something from). It was rare that he actually had anything for sale anyway. Usually it was some kind of auction preview or self promotion of his book - I do still have one of his 1955 Topps knockoffs with his picture on it though. I may have actually purchased something from his table (like a few loose 50's cards he was selling as 'junk') Mr. Rosen probably never said two words to me (I don't think he even noticed I was buying anyt hing at his table, but I dealt with one of his minions). He always came off as a holier than thou, self aggrandizing, pompous arse. He probably put our hobby on the map, and was at least partially responsible for the card collecting boom of the early 80's, but I don't know if that's really a good thing the way it's heading now. He was the antithesis of OBC. In fact, my favorite memory of him was at one of my first Nationals. He had either paid or talked his way into being a corporate sponsor, so his mug was on all the goodie bags that were handed out with your admission. Everyone in OBC who attended the show that week took the stuff out of the bag, turned it inside out, then redeposited the contents back into the bag.    I have also had one dealing with California Sportscards that I can barely recall. It was at one of the Nationals in Anaheim where they had set up a table at the show. I was buying or interested in some cards at the table and was told, "we have a lot more stuff at the shop. You should stop by and take a look." Well, I was impressed by the shop and the amount of stuff, both obscure and rare that he had there - or at least I think he had there, as I was not allowed to look through any of it. Instead, I just rattled off stuff on my list and he would grab a box and pick out a few things for me to pass or pay on. He got zero impulse buys from me that way - and I'm not even certain if it was worth the price of gas to drive over there for me. I'd rate the overall experience as "meh". Compared to my idea of w hat a typical card shop should be, it was very underwhelming.    Well, I've babbled on long enough for one evening/early morning. As always, thanks for reading. TAYL,   Ken M Posted by: Yahoo > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 12:09:00 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two From: "Thomas W. Billing" I asked if he WERE slabbed if he would be a PSA 10. Tom Billing > On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I read Wade's question too quickly at first and thought he asked if Mr. Mint was stabbed... but then I read it again and thought, "Well, it could'vebeen > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Yahoob ucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Sun, Jan 29, 2017 11:45 AM > To: yazobc@gmail.com ; > Cc: cardclctor@aol.com ;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two > From all the comments sounds like if he was slab, it would only have beenauthentic. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:19, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> I never bought anything from Mr Mint, however Wade and I met him at one of the Nationals we went to. He was signing his book for people that he wasgiving away. He seemed pretty much a jerk, (I do feel bad about saying badstuff about a dead guy but it's part of the context of this brief comment). Wade also wasn't much impressed and we made several jokes about him the rest of the day. I told Wade that he had died when I read it in Ramblings the other day. His question, "Did they slab him?" >> Greg (yaz) >> On 1/28/2017 11:23 PM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Hi all, >>> My recent waiver wire got about twenty one replies. I should have something for twenty of you, although I haven't gotten to the part where I start stuffing the envelopes yet. I just wrote down names and a brief description of what they requested - from specific cards to a short list to "just about everything". Then I try to go back and find at least one card. With the 20 names, I'll at least reach my goal of getting ten envelopes a month out in the mail for te months of January and February (since I'm going to endup overlapping the two months anyway). Then I can cross those names off and start working on the 100+ names left in the directory. :-) >>> My thoughts on the passing of Mr. Mint... like Wayne, I didn't have anything to say for Bob's article. However, I didn't have any first hand stories about him, as my dealings with him were limited and mostly unmemorable. I would frequently walk by his table at the Ft. Washington show (only because it was right across or nearby other tables that I WANTED to boy something from). It was rare that he actually had anything for sale anyway. Usually it was some kind of auction preview or self promotion of his book - I dostill have one of his 1955 Topps knockoffs with his picture on it though. I may have actually purchased something from his table (like a few loose 50's cards he was selling as 'junk') Mr. Rosen probably never said two words to me (I don't think he even noticed I was buying anything at his table, but I dealt with one of his minions). He always came off as a holier than thou, self aggrandizing, pompous arse. He probably put our hobby on the map, and was at least partially responsible for the card collecting boom of the early 80's, but I don't know if that's really a good thing the way it's heading now. He was the antithesis of OBC. In fact, my favorite memory of him was at one of my first Nationals. He had either paid or talked his way into being a corporate sponsor, so his mug was on all the goodie bags that were handed out with your admission. Everyone in OBC who attended the show that week took the stuff out of the bag, turned it inside out, then redeposited the contents back into the bag. >>> I have also had one dealing with California Sportscards that I can barely recall. It was at one of the Nationals in Anaheim where they had set up a table at the show. I was buying or interested in some cards at the table and was told, "we have a lot more stuff at the shop. You should stop by and take a look. " Well, I was impressed by the shop and the amount of stuff, both obscure and rare that he had there - or at least I think he had there, as I was not allowed to look through any of it. Instead, I just rattledoff stuff on my list and he would grab a box and pick out a few things forme to pass or pay on. He got zero impulse buys from me that way - and I'm not even certain if it was worth the price of gas to drive over there for me. I'd rate the overall experience as "meh". Compared to my idea of what a typical card shop should be, it was very underwhelming. >>> Well, I've babbled on long enough for one evening/early morning. As always, thanks for reading. TAYL, >>> Ken M > Posted by: Yahoo > > VISIT YOUR GROUP Subject: Michigan meet up From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 14:47:12 -0500 Subject: Pre-war trading From: "Bob Donaldson" I've a number of pre-war cards that I would be interested in trading for E120/E121 American Caramels or E220 National Caramels on my wantlist. 1910 Tip Top Campbell g- Silk Color S74-1 Oldring vg blank back Silk B&W 74-1 Mattern vg blank back T213 Coupon Murphy g type 2 E92 Hartsel g/vg Dockman E92 Sclei f Croft E91 Murray p E93 Delehanty g/vg E98 Chase vg E90 Mullin g E90 Bush f/p E90 Stanage punch holes E90 Criger punch holes E90 McQuillan punch holes E106 ? f/p E101 Miller f/[ E102 Bescher f/g T209-2 Bourquin f W572 Sisler g (slight pencil mk) E95 Chance p I've also a handful of T206s. I can provide scans of all cards ================= Date: 29 Jan 2017 20:30:59 +0000 To: Subject: Waiver Wire: 1957 Topps Eddie Mathews From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= To: "Thomas W. Billing" , Ken M Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 15:24:39 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two From: Yaz But of course! He was Mr. Mint! Greg (yaz) On 1/29/2017 11:09 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I asked if he WERE slabbed if he would be a PSA 10. > Tom Billing >> On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:58 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] >> > > wrote: >> I read Wade's question too quickly at first and thought he asked if >> Mr. Mint was stabbed... but then I read it again and thought, "Well, >> it could've been either." >> Ken M >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> ------ Original message------ >> *From:*Yahoob ucknutt2008@yahoo.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] >> *Date:*Sun, Jan 29, 2017 11:45 AM >> *To:*yazobc@gmail.com ; >> *Cc:*cardclctor@aol.com >> ;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> ; >> *Subject:*Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A thing or two about a thing or two >> From all the comments sounds like if he was slab, it would only have >> been authentic. >> Jerry Barnes >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 29, 2017, at 11:19, Yazyazobc@gmail.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] >> > > wrote: >>> I never bought anything from Mr Mint, however Wade and I met him at >>> one of the Nationals we went to. He was signing his book for people >>> that he was giving away. He seemed pretty much a jerk, (I do feel >>> bad about saying bad stuff about a dead guy but it's part of the >>> context of this brief comment). Wade also wasn't much impressed and >>> we made several jokes about him the rest of the day. I told Wade >>> that he had died when I read it in Ramblings the other day. His >>> question, "Did they slab him?" >>> Greg (yaz) >>> On 1/28/2017 11:23 PM,cardclctor@aol.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> Hi all, >>>> My recent waiver wire got about twenty one replies. I should have >>>> something for twenty of you, although I haven't gotten to the part >>>> where I start stuffing the envelopes yet. I just wrote down names >>>> and a brief description of what they requested - from specific >>>> cards to a short list to "just about everything". Then I try to go >>>> back and find at least one card. With the 20 names, I'll at least >>>> reach my goal of getting ten envelopes a month out in the mail for >>>> te months of January and February (since I'm going to end up >>>> overlapping the two months anyway). Then I can cross those names >>>> off and start working on the 100+ names left in the directory. :-) >>>> My thoughts on the passing of Mr. Mint... like Wayne, I didn't >>>> have anything to say for Bob's article. However, I didn't have any >>>> first hand stories about him, as my dealings with him were limited >>>> and mostly unmemorable. I would frequently walk by his table at the >>>> Ft. Washington show (only because it was right across or nearby >>>> other tables that I WANTED to boy something from). It was rare that >>>> he actually had anything for sale anyway. Usually it was some kind >>>> of auction preview or self promotion of his book - I do still have >>>> one of his 1955 Topps knockoffs with his picture on it though. I >>>> may have actually purchased something from his table (like a few >>>> loose 50's cards he was selling as 'junk') Mr. Rosen probably never >>>> said two words to me (I don't think he even noticed I was buying >>>> anything at his table, but I dealt with one of his minions). He >>>> always came off as a holier than thou, self aggrandizing, pompous >>>> arse. He probably put our hobby on the map, and was at least >>>> partially responsible for the card collecting boom of the early >>>> 80's, but I don't know if that's really a good thing the way it's >>>> heading now. He was the antithesis of OBC. In fact, my favorite >>>> memory of him was at one of my first Nationals. He had either paid >>>> or talked his way into being a corporate sponsor, so his mug was on >>>> all the goodie bags that were handed out with your admission. >>>> Everyone in OBC who attended the show that week took the stuff out >>>> of the bag, turned it inside out, then redeposited the contents >>>> back into the bag. >>>> I have also had one dealing with California Sportscards that I >>>> can barely recall. It was at one of the Nationals in Anaheim where >>>> they had set up a table at the show. I was buying or interested in >>>> some cards at the table and was told, "we have a lot more stuff at >>>> the shop. You should stop by and take a look. " Well, I was >>>> impressed by the shop and the amount of stuff, both obscure and >>>> rare that he had there - or at least I think he had there, as I was >>>> not allowed to look through any of it. Instead, I just rattled off >>>> stuff on my list and he would grab a box and pick out a few things >>>> for me to pass or pay on. He got zero impulse buys from me that way >>>> - and I'm not even certain if it was worth the price of gas to >>>> drive over there for me. I'd rate the overall experience as "meh". >>>> Compared to my idea of what a typical card shop should be, it was >>>> very underwhelming. >>>> Well, I've babbled on long enough for one evening/early morning. >>>> As always, thanks for reading. TAYL, >>>> Ken M >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Posted by: Yahoo> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> VISIT YOUR GROUP >> ================= Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2017 21:28:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, VCT , Subject: Looking for Jackie Robinson From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I am looking for any Jackie Robinson cards from 1947 to 1954 for my HOF collection. I have a 1955 Topps Jackie for trade and I have other HOFers to trade as well. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Steve Rittenberg , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 06:43:11 +0000 Subject: Ritt's upgrading 59 Topps? From: Aaron Shirley I knew a guy who owned a card and comic shop in middle Georgia. He was constantly upgrading cards in his 1959 Topps set. He said he would keep doing it the rest of his life. More than once I came into the shop and he was on eBay looking at cards, holding a ruler up to the screen to find perfectly centered specimens. I guess if that's your one thing, then go all the way, right? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2017, at 10:30 PM, Steve Rittenberg srittenberg@gmail.com [OBC-Thanks] > Thanks (possible a second time) to Ken Morganti for a 1959 #40 Spahn b1931. I think I still owe him for it. I also put #211 Blaylock (w) in my album tonight after I found an upgrade this summer in Houston. There is still one card left on the list, #25 Don Hoak. But I think I should quit this furshluginner project. I had an idea to upgrade my 59 set a few years ago. You know, replace the beaters with something more presentable. Find upgrades for cards with writing on them. But this project just keeps going and going and going. I looked at the #25 Hoak in my album. It is generally out of place with the others. Rounded corners, multiple creases, blah blah blah. I had hoped to find a presentable one for $1 but can't quite do it. Its the last card on my list so maybe keep looking? Well, on the same page is a #27 Pafko with STAPLE HOLES in it. I've looked at this album how many times and now I find one with staple holes? As I flipped through the binder, I found a #338 Sparky Anderson with pencil on the back. My team cards are all marked. Holy cr--! How much more did I miss.? #44 Valentinetti has pen scribble on the back. And I cannot find my #235 (w) Thomas upgrade. Maybe I will keep searching for Hoak. And now Pafko and Anderson and Valentinetti. Or maybe I will abandon this as a lesson to myself. I thought I was observant but I seem to really suck at it. Thanks for ================= To: Yahoo Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:59:50 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller From: Aaron Shirley I think I might bid on a few. Who knows! I might win! But I haven't ever done live auctions with eBay, so I will have to read up on how they work... Anyone care to tell me the common sense reasons this would be bad? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:30 AM To: Matthew Glidden Cc: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller edwardsauctions2014 I saw these. If anyone wins one of these auctions I will pick it up for you. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone On Jan 29, 2017, at 09:20, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272537190571?vectorid229466&lgeo1&item272537190571&rmvSBtrue If you have the stomach for live auctions, this seller's posting a bunch oflow grade vintage lots, including a stack of 1951 Bowman with plenty of recognizable names. Since it's live auction, note there's a buyer premium instead of eBay's normal seller fee. ================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:04:22 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller edwardsauctions2014 From: "Thomas W. Billing" I already have a bid on it so I hope we do not lock horns and give this guya huge payday. I am doing it because he specifies that you have to go to Greenville, Ohio to pick them up as he will not mail them. I am about 55 miles from there. Good luck, Tom Billing > On Jan 30, 2017, at 11:59 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I think I might bid on a few. Who knows! I might win! > But I haven't ever done live auctions with eBay, so I will have to read up on how they work... > Anyone care to tell me the common sense reasons this would be bad? > Aaron > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:30 AM > To: Matthew Glidden > Cc: obc ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller edwardsauctions2014 > I saw these. If anyone wins one of these auctions I will pick it up for you. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2017, at 09:20, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272537190571?vectorid229466&lgeo1&item272537190571&rmvSBtrue >> If you have the stomach for live auctions, this seller's posting a bunchof low grade vintage lots, including a stack of 1951 Bowman with plenty ofrecognizable names. Since it's live auction, note there's a buyer premium instead of eBay's normal seller fee. >> Spike ================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 12:11:37 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller edwardsauctions2014 From: Anson Whaley I am not entirely sure of all of the issues with them but believe you are okay if you have someone willing to pick up your item. The biggest issue is usually the shipping fees. And as a word to the wise for others considering live auctions on eBay where you cannot arrange for a pickup, note that shipping can be messy. I've heard a several stories where sellers have grossly overcharged buyers for shipping. if the shipping fees are often not disclosed up front you definitely need to reach out to the seller to get a shipping rate. That's especially true in the case of winning more than one lot where you might expect a big discount on combined shipping fees. On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 11:59 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I think I might bid on a few. Who knows! I might win! > But I haven't ever done live auctions with eBay, so I will have to read up > on how they work... > Anyone care to tell me the common sense reasons this would be bad? > Aaron > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Sunday, January 29, 2017 8:30 AM > *To:* Matthew Glidden > *Cc:* obc ramblings > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 50s lots on eBay from seller > edwardsauctions2014 > I saw these. If anyone wins one of these auctions I will pick it up for > you. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2017, at 09:20, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/272537190571?vectorid229466& > lgeo1&item272537190571&rmvSBtrue > If you have the stomach for live auctions, this seller's posting a bunch > of low grade vintage lots, including a stack of 1951 Bowman with plenty of > recognizable names. Since it's live auction, note there's a buyer premium > instead of eBay's normal seller fee. > Spike ================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 16:55:18 -0500 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for Jackie Robinson From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The single most valuable card in my dupe box is a 1952 Topps #312 Robinson in VG. I am into it heavy at around $1200 cost a few years back. I amhoping to swap either in a package or for a package of some of the huge cards on my list, such as a 1933 Goudey #144 Ruth; 1952 Bowman FB Large #99 Stydaher; 1949 Bowman BB #50 Robinson or 224 Paige, 1938 Goudey DiMaggios, 1934-36 Diamond Star # Ott, 1954 Bowman BB #66 Williams, etc. I would consider others, but you get the gist. Let me know if you are interested and any proposals you may have. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; VCT ; OCT ; Tradingbases Sent: Sun, Jan 29, 2017 9:28 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for Jackie Robinson Hey guys, I am looking for any Jackie Robinson cards from 1947 to 1954 for my HOF collection. I have a 1955 Topps Jackie for trade and I have other HOFers to trade as well. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 30 Jan 2017 23:24:49 +0000 To: Subject: Type card lists From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 19:21:55 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Type card lists From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Well, here's one that I have... 1928 Yuengling Ice Cream Hack Wilson I'd gladly swap it for a Tiger (There's a Cobb, Heilmann, and a Sam Jones in the set...) Sam Taylor On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 7:13 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Great topic, Mike! > For anyone collecting a Type set , and you have a 1927 York Caramel Type > -2, please let me know who you have. Even if I don't need that card ( I > have dupes and only need 6 more ), I like knowing what is out there! If > your type card matches my WL, I would trade ridiculous in your favor. > Same goes for 1947 Tip Top to a lesser degree. I have no hope of ever > completing the set, but I like acquiring them as they pop up. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent: *January 30, 2017 at 3:27 PM > *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] Type card lists > A number of guys have started doing type cards for every vintage BB card > set issued, while a few of us are still hunting EVERY card from EVERY > vintage BB (or in my case, every sport) set issued. Type set collectors > could help us set builders by letting us swap for your type card if we have > dupes from the same set. Some of us scan the OBC lists and if you list the > #/card you have for your type card collection, we could make you an offer. > If you have a favorite team, and your type card is from that team, you may > want to notate it or that is a HOFer, etc. This is especially true for > prewar and oddball sets that guys may have trouble finding ones they need, > but may also have a couple of dupes. For those that may make you offers, > we can try ot even swap you guys from your favorite team for cards we > need. A true win/win. > Mike Rich Sam Taylor ================= To: Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 18:16:14 -0800 Subject: South Bay Cards Store Report From: "George Vrechek" Since I gave an OBC-thumbs way down to Beverly Hills Cards, I thought I would report in again on today's visit this time to South Bay Cards in Lomita on PCH, south of Los Angeles. I have been there maybe 5 times in 10 years. Ian Allen was there again and is always interested in talking vintage cards. They had cards priced (what a concept), let me look at them, tolerated hunting for printing differences, had a good selection of oddballs, and had reasonable prices! I found Flags of All Nations for $1 each, Exhibit Supply Co cards in decent shape for $1.95, four Diamond Star back variations I needed for $4.95, a C-52, and plenty of T221 Pan Handle Scrap lady swimmers for $4.95 each as well. They have a customer appreciation day every quarter and had just given away an autographed Dwayne Wade jersey. What a way to run a business. I think many of the LA members have also had good experiences there. It was well worth my diversion there returning from golf. This is winter? George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 30 Jan 2017 21:28:44 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: one more ramble From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Hey Guys Thanks for the responses to me finishing a couple sets. It was fun to read your thoughts. I was asking what set to finish next. It looks like Matt had the best answer. "finish all of them" Well, when I joined OBC, someone told me to list everything, so I did. So, I am trying. Anyhow, it looks like the Topps 1969 set is what I am really zeroing in on. It seems a bit weird. Somewhere in the mid 1980s when I wasn't collecting to much I went to a card show here in Fresno, when we had a good show now and again. I went to say hey to Ernie Banks who attended. A guy was walking around with a 1969 set for $100. That is the one that got away. So, 1969 Topps set it is. I have the Mantle and only need about 95 more and I was surprised to see that many were still common and not high mumbers. Thanks for reading. Thanks for responding to previous rambles. It has been real fun. Thanks again, Randy Welk ================= Date: 31 Jan 2017 03:31:40 +0000 To: Subject: Set Kill From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 04:33:47 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Reactivated! From: EEK Giving a shout out to all my friends in OBC land. A special nod goes out tothe newer members. I'm sure you have discovered that while collecting cardboard is fun, collecting friends is funner. It's all about relationships which is the primary reason I have returned. Hoping everyone has a good nightand a great 2017!Earl "EEK" Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 10:38:24 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I need some advice on 1968 Topps Milton Bradley.... From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I need some advice, and I really hope that it's ok to post this question here. I have an opportunity to buy a hoard....yes, a HOARD of 1968 Topps Milton Bradley cards (nearly 1,000 of them!). At least, I guess that would be considered a hoard for a set that is only 77 cards deep. All cards from the set would be included in the deal, EXCEPT for the Ryan RC. I believe I'dbe getting around 14 Hank Aarons, and similar numbers for most other cards. I'm pretty excited.....BUT...... I have only ever had a couple of these cards before, and I've never sold any, so I'm afraid of losing a ton of money on this deal. This lot will NOT come cheap, so I guess what I'm asking is if there is enough interest here at OBC for me to be grabbing them. If I don't have enough interest, I think it would be unwise for me to go on a shopping spree. I'd also be keepinga set for myself, of course....minus the Ryan. Another HUGE plus......isthat most cards are VGEX to EXMT. My understanding is, since these were used as part of a game, they are often in VG or worse. I know the couple I had before were around G/VG. Thoughts there? It seems like commons on EBay are around $2-3 per. Is that what you guys are paying. I just don't want to make a dumb mistake here. LOL Had these been regular 1968 Topps cards, I wouldn't be saying anything, butI figured this would be something OBC would want to jump on and I'd be able to help a ton of you out. LMK your thoughts, guys. OBC forever, Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 31 Jan 2017 20:33:40 +0000 To: Subject: Waivers: 1959 topps baseball From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 31 Jan 2017 20:41:13 +0000 To: Subject: Cups From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2017 15:44:38 -0500 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some advice on 1968 Topps Milton From: mikesportsfan@aol.com If you get the lot, what price range were you thinking for the near sets,including Aaron, etc., missing the Ryan? Amazingly, this is 1 issue I have not yet pursued and may be interested, if the price is right. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 31, 2017 10:46 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some advice on 1968 Topps Milton Bradley.... Hey guys, I need some advice, and I really hope that it's ok to post this question here. I have an opportunity to buy a hoard....yes, a HOARD of 1968 Topps Milton Bradley cards (nearly 1,000 of them!). At least, I guess that would be considered a hoard for a set that is only 77 cards deep. All cards from the set would be included in the deal, EXCEPT for the Ryan RC. I believe I'dbe getting around 14 Hank Aarons, and similar numbers for most other cards. I'm pretty excited.....BUT...... I have only ever had a couple of these cards before, and I've never sold any, so I'm afraid of losing a ton of money on this deal. This lot will NOT come cheap, so I guess what I'm asking is if there is enough interest here at OBC for me to be grabbing them. If I don't have enough interest, I think it would be unwise for me to go on a shopping spree. I'd also be keepinga set for myself, of course....minus the Ryan. Another HUGE plus......isthat most cards are VGEX to EXMT. My understanding is, since these were used as part of a game, they are often in VG or worse. I know the couple I had before were around G/VG. Thoughts there? It seems like commons on EBay are around $2-3 per. Is that what you guys are paying. I just don't want to make a dumb mistake here. LOL Had these been regular 1968 Topps cards, I wouldn't be saying anything, butI figured this would be something OBC would want to jump on and I'd be able to help a ton of you out. LMK your thoughts, guys. OBC forever, Sent from my iPad