================= Date: 01 Jun 2016 15:02:27 -0700 To: Subject: 1961 Topps Stamps in Album From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 16:53:20 -0700 To: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 Topps Stamps in Album From: Rick I buy them all the time That should go for half that price Sent from my iPad > On Jun 1, 2016, at 3:02 PM, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I don't collect these, so I don't know pricing, but this guy has reduced his asking price by $30 in the past few days. BR, > Chuck > 1961 Topps Baseball Stamp Album Filled 141 Stamps inc Mickey Mantle, Maris, > 1961 Topps Baseball Stamp Album Filled 141 Stamps i... > US $165.00 Very Good in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2016 21:54:48 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Let's get this party started! From: Ken M Hi gang,  This month marks the 20th year I've been on OBC. I think I was introduced on the 25th, but I'm not sure, so we're going to celebrate 20 years for 30 days. I'm going to >try< to post a different waiver wire every day this month. I'm also going to try to spread the cheer, so if you claim something on the first day, priority may go to someone I haven't hit yet - or someone who is really close to finishing a set (PLMK) - or some other random/obscure factor of my choosing :-) I may also throw the card towards the wall and see whose envelope it lands near or on. Having said that, don't be afraid to put in a claim every day if you want. You may be the only one who needs a card, but I'm hoping these will generate a lot of replies in my inbox. I may throw in a gem or two, just to make sure you're paying attention. If a card is listed more than once (or has a number in parenthesis), I have multiple copies. Condition varies from VG to "looks like it was in my back pocket for 20 years".  Let's keep the first day short and sweet (or big and small) with some earlier 50's cards: 1950 Bowman(w/©) 190(4) 191 191 198 202 202 202 205 206 209 209 209 211 214(4)1951 Bowman 110 112 121 141 241 243 3211952 Bowman 41 73 851953 Topps 173 175 1781954 Topps 1351955 Bowman 21 46 54 56 79 88 104 181 193 204 2051955 Topps 18 62 62 86 86 98 101 101 1131956 Topps 27* 82 82 82 170* (*WB) Have at 'em! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2016 15:49:35 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: Hilliard ohio show next weekend From: John Dahms Hey guys. just curious to know if any of you might be thinking /planning on attending this show Saturday the 11th of June. I will be driving north from florida Friday and Saturday and my plan is to find a motel somewhere within an hour or so of Columbus and do the show Saturday morning. hoping to see some of youse guys that are close there. P.S. I will have my OBC hat on. jerry laughed at this til I mentioned that most of us have only seen each other once or twice. already have a definitely maybe from jerry barnes (even if his sidekick partner riding to shows mate Wes cant do it) be well all and have a great day John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 02 Jun 2016 16:59:52 -0700 To: Subject: Re: Hilliard ohio show next weekend From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 02 Jun 2016 23:30:12 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 20 in 30: Day 2 From: Ken M Hi all,  Late start today due to basketball. I refuse to give up my athletic career :-) Some basketball cards make up a lot of tonight's waiver wire. Same vague rules as yesterday. Everybody who put in a claim from yesterday's waiver wire (13 of you) will be getting something. Please try to include your address with claims - or at least give me more than just a first name to go on. I found a couple more 50's cards on my desk this evening that I didn't get to add in yesterday. Here you go: 1950 Bowman (w/©) 205 2061953 Topps 701977 Topps 6501977 BK Yanks 2 41978 Topps 20 361979 Topps 369(Jays) 1977-78 BkB 1 77 93 110 117 130 1321979-80 BkB 7 29 42 62 75 84 103 105 124 129 1966-67 Hky 85 103 Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2016 13:38:37 -0700 To: OBC ramblings Subject: eBay seller dospark0 From: Geordie Calvert I thought I'd point this seller out. He seems to have some really good deals on lots of 50s and 60s HOFers. Most are in SGC slabs (mostly 10 and 20), which lends some credibility to the items. Might want to check him out. I picked up a 53 BC Mantle/Berra/Bauer for $42, which I thought was a pretty decent value. ================= Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 20:47:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: vintage give aways From: Robert Fitts On the wire tonight. 1971 #650 dick allen SP (bad registered photo)! Please claim it only if you REALLY need it. 1952 Topps 86 90 95 97 127 rob fitts ================= Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 21:21:15 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: allen is gone, 1 1952 is left From: Robert Fitts ================= Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 22:00:34 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: vintage cards all gone From: Robert Fitts ================= Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2016 22:59:29 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Clickbait: Free cards! You won't believe some of these! From: Ken M OK, so there's really free cards here. At least it's in a list and not a slideshow... Most of these are HOF'ers, so they'll probably go fast. I sent out the day 1 stuff and day 2 is already in envelopes. Only things left are the 79-80 hoops and a 78 Rose if you still want them. Here's tonight's offerings: 1952 Bowman 2031962 Topps (green tints I think) 137 1381963 Jello 431965 Embossed 581968 Topps 72 85 130 4101969 Topps 5161973 Topps 475 5031976 Topps 3401979 Topps 1161980 Topps 393And one for the variation collectors:1972 Kelloggs 46 "...missed only one..."You have about 24 hours to make your claims from when this is sent... and go! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 04:49:32 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: The Great One From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wantlist Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 00:08:19 -0500 Subject: 2016 OBC T-SHIRT UPDATE From: Aaron Shirley Time for a major t-shirt order status update. By my records, we have 43 requested of the required 50 to place the order. PLEASE CHECK BELOW AND TELL ME IF I HAVE YOUR ORDER INCORRECT, OR IF YOU HAVE BEEN LEFT OFF. Also, please note, I NEED TO MOVE THE ORDERING DEADLINE UP TO JUNE 20TH. Weshould have no problem meeting the minimum by then. Aaron Shirley XL forest green, XL royal blue. Andy Huntoon XXL forest green, XXL safety orange pocket. Brian Lindholme XL forest green, XL royal blue, XL safety orange pocket. Chris Tripler L forest green, M navy blue pocket. Chuck Salek XL forest green. Dan Angland L forest green. Grant Rainsley L forest green to Canada. Greg Conway XL forest green, S royal blue. Jake Brewer M forest green. Jerry Barnes XXL royal blue, XXL royal blue. Jimi Thayer L royal blue. Josh Levine XXL forest green, XXL royal blue. Ken Morganti XXL safety orange pocket. Kent Goto XL royal blue, XL royal blue. Mac Wubben L forest green. Matt Yudt XL navy blue pocket. Mike Glasser L forest green, L navy blue pocket. Nate Mack XL royal blue. Nick Pelletier XL forest green, XL royal blue, XL safety orange. Ray Luurs XXL navy blue pocket, XXL navy blue pocket. Richard Labs XXXL safety orange pocket, XXXL navy blue pocket. Ron Hoehne XXL forest green. Sal Domino L safety orange pocket, L navy blue pocket. Sam Taylor XL royal blue. Sean Schuettpelz L royal blue. Steve Sankner XL forest green. Richard Dingman Royal blue, what size? Steve Rittenberg XXL what color? Anyone else: did I leave you off? Is your order incorrect? REPEATING, THE DEADLINE IS MOVED UP TO JUNE 20TH. Thanks OBC Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2016 12:49:12 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: don't you love it when... From: Robert Fitts I spent the morning going through the dupes box and hitting some want lists. in the process, I hit my own want list 4 times! Not sure if I=92m happyor ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 15:00:18 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] don't you love it when... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en That's GOLDEN! This is as love/hate as you can get! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/4/2016 12:49:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I spent the morning going through the dupes box and hitting some want lists. in the process, I hit my own want list 4 times! Not sure if I=E2=99m or sad=E2=A6 The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= To: OBC Ramblings , OBC National Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2016 18:09:29 -0500 Subject: GET YOUR 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS! From: Aaron Shirley GET YOUR 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from an anonymous benevolent COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES ($9 shipped) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - Shirts are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton except safety orange which is 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We have 44 pre-ordered of the minimum 50 shirts. I've got my eye on us hitting 75 though! - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering a few additional shirts for future members. - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. Larger sizes MAY be available; please - Payment by check or money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - ORDERS AND FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY JUNE 20TH. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: 04 Jun 2016 16:41:54 -0700 To: Subject: Bucket list blog From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2016 21:14:55 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1963 al maline poor on waiver wire From: Robert Fitts somebody who hates the Tigers used a hole punch on Al=92s left eye- otherwise not to bad. your=92s for the asking ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 03:28:49 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Large OBC eBay lot 1973-79 for $32 shipped From: Matthew Glidden 1200+ cards and tailor-made for someone wanting to start those years: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1973-79-Topps-Baseball-Card-Set-Filler-Poor-1200-Card-Lot-Low-Grade-Starter-Set-/331873466126?hash=item4d4533370e:g:hasAAOSwnFZXU2-9 ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 00:11:53 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Great Gridiron Giveaway From: Ken M Hi everyone,  Going to take a break from baseball and unload a bunch for you football collectors. As always, condition runs from unnecessary roughness to possibly game used. Hopefully I get the correct sets listed on these, since it's been a while since I've collected a lot of them. Remember, THESE ARE ALL FOOTBALL: 1955 Bowman 621960 Fleer 12 17 24 27 60 62 72 89 113 114 1191961 Fleer 4 8 21 61 121 133 182 189 204 2201962 Fleer 32 54 55 601964 Phil 1241965 Phil 48 651966 Phil 18 54 891958 Topps 11 24 28 39 43 67 78 79 91 97 117 1301959 Topps 104 1171960 Topps 6 71 82 1251961 Topps 36 45 1051962 Topps 801963 Topps 9 45 881964 Topps 2 11 20 20 25 40 49 49 50 62(3) 71 88 100 133 134 158 158 175(3)1966 Topps 8 13 21 34 43 46(3) 49 58 66 68 70 111 112 1181967 Topps 15 32 42 74 90 1241968 Topps 25 37 75 153 161 181 1941969 Topps 19 23 26 48 64 64 108 121 122 127 1501970 Topps 1 10 23 2301971 Topps 18 39 45 58 64 71 71 103 113 114 120 120 1501972 Topps 65 225 2351970 Kelloggs 32 49 49 571971 Kelloggs 541971 Topps pinups 13 14 15 16It's just after midnight, so I'll quit here. Hopefully there's something for everyone. Remember addresses speed packing (and sometimes are the difference between getting a claim or not)! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:25:47 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sunday Waiver Wire From: Jake Brewer I've been so busy since our season started (Gastonia Grizzlies, look us up!) that I havent had much time to research some wants lists, and send out some cards! So I'm going to do some waivers more often when I've got spares. After all, if they are spares- they should go to someone who needs them, instead of sitting on my card table! So without further ado, here are my waivers; first come, first serve (with precedence to Sal Domino who I owe for that '59T Mays AS!) '51T Red Backs: 28 (rough) '52B: 152 (missing corner) '55T: 21, 131, 135, 156 (front paper loss) '57T: 257 '59T: 449 (x2) '60T: 3, 8, 25, 80, 239 '61T: 9, 39, 53, 272(hole punch), 282 '64T: 39, 52 '65T: 308 '66T: 5, 24, 40 (pen on front), 122, 187 '67T: 68, 171 (pen on back) '68T: 28 (pen on front) '68T Game: 28 (small corner loss) '69T Deckle: 23 '69T: 38 (small paper loss on front), 66 (sharpie? On front), 74, 89, 354 (pen on front) Claim away, I hope to have lots of envelopes going out tomorrow! -Jake (Jr., The Kid) Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 18:32:46 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: question From: John Dahms hello all, I am wanting to put my 64 topps giants in a binder. if any ofyou do this what page style do you use? and do you use same with the 70 and 71 supers? John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:50:55 -0400 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question From: Mike Glasser I use the 4 per page sheets and I put them back to back so there are 8 on apage. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question hello all, I am wanting to put my 64 topps giants in a binder. if any ofyou do this what page style do you use? and do you use same with the 70 and 71 supers? John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 11:55:50 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Show report From: Rick I went with nothing specific in mind just maybe to try to pick up some oddball/ regional sets. Didn't end up with as many cards as normal but picked up nine 53 Glendale meats cards which set me back quite a bit and eight 47 tip-top bread cards. Scattered commons football and that's about it. Meet a vct member Griffin Cole said he use to trade with obcers years ago he said ask the older members about Bob schaub I think that was the name. Anyway not a real eventful weekend but worth going. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 13:04:55 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1974 Padres McDonald disc baseball From: Anthony Hello all Happen to start the set and found a person who has the balance I need for $10 and let me know they also have a plastic baseball which opened that the discs was then placed as a holder. He wants $22 for the ball thoughts if I should go for it or stay the course on the disc only Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:26:57 -0400 To: miglasser@aol.com, jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question From: mikesportsfan@aol.com That works well for the 64 Giants, but I would not put the 1970 & 1971 Supers back to back. Agree that 4 count pages is the way to go. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: jd3681 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question I use the 4 per page sheets and I put them back to back so there are 8 on apage. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question hello all, I am wanting to put my 64 topps giants in a binder. if any ofyou do this what page style do you use? and do you use same with the 70 and 71 supers? John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:28:12 -0400 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question From: Andy Huntoon I also use the four count pages for the 64 giants as wall as the supers. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2016, at 4:26 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > That works well for the 64 Giants, but I would not put the 1970 & 1971 Supers back to back. Agree that 4 count pages is the way to go. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: jd3681 ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:50 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question > I use the 4 per page sheets and I put them back to back so there are 8 ona > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC ramblings > Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:32 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question > hello all, I am wanting to put my 64 topps giants in a binder. if any of you do this what page style do you use? and do you use same with the 70 and71 > thanks > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 19:01:58 -0400 To: Anthony Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1974 Padres McDonald disc baseball From: Andy Huntoon I've thought about doing this set a couple times but haven't started it yet. That said, I always considered the ball to be part of the set so I would suggest picking it up if you found one. I don't know how hard they are to find but always assumed it would be tough as its a regional set. Just my thoughts Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 5, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hello all > Happen to start the set and found a person who has the balance I need for$10 and let me know they also have a plastic baseball which opened that the discs was then placed as a holder. He wants $22 for the ball > thoughts if I should go for it or stay the course on the disc only > Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 23:08:40 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: A helping of hockey tonight From: Ken M Hey everyone,  A small waiver wire tonight since: A) I didn't have a ton of hockey dupes to start. B) I further reduced the pile of hockey I had by taking out the cards from the sets I haven't started. I'll get a list up at some point, but I'm pretty sure I never collected the 67-68, 68-69, or 69-70 Topps hockey sets. At some point I thought I had all the way back to my birth year (66) finished until a few weeks ago when I was putting most of my hockey and basketball sets into binders. Finally, C) I'm almost out of stamps. I'll get another roll on Tuesday. I think I need more padded envelopes too. Hope you can find a card or two...ALL HOCKEY:1966-67* 1201972-73* 18 18 45 50 50 56 56 60 62 63(3) 124 140 141 1681973-74* 72 871975-76* 35I probably have a bunch more mid to late 70's in another box in the cellar, but that'll be another day's waiver wire. I've got a couple dozen envelopes going out in tomorrow's mail. Tune in again tomorrow for another batch, Ken M0+ Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:40:00 -0400 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question From: Mike Glasser Other than aesthetics, is there a reason that I should not store them back to Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan To: miglasser ; jd3681 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question That works well for the 64 Giants, but I would not put the 1970 & 1971 Supers back to back. Agree that 4 count pages is the way to go. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: jd3681 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question I use the 4 per page sheets and I put them back to back so there are 8 on apage. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question hello all, I am wanting to put my 64 topps giants in a binder. if any ofyou do this what page style do you use? and do you use same with the 70 and 71 supers? John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 08:08:21 -0500 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:58:08 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question From: mikesportsfan@aol.com It is due to thickness of the 1970 & 1971 Supers. It will overstretch mostpages and cause the cards to fall out if handled frequently. Mike Rich Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Monday, June 6, 2016, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I would say it's probably because the 70s and 71s are so thick. And curved.As such, they may not even fit. I personally store them in an oversized card Sent from my iPhone On Jun 6, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Other than aesthetics, is there a reason that I should not store them back to Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan To: miglasser ; jd3681 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 4:26 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question That works well for the 64 Giants, but I would not put the 1970 & 1971 Supers back to back. Agree that 4 count pages is the way to go. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: jd3681 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:50 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question I use the 4 per page sheets and I put them back to back so there are 8 on apage. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 5, 2016 2:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question hello all, I am wanting to put my 64 topps giants in a binder. if any of you do this what page style do you use? and do you use same with the 70 and 71 John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 06 Jun 2016 08:32:08 -0700 To: Subject: Tell me what I have left here... From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 11:32:51 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: postage advice From: Robert Fitts I=92m sending out two types of envelopes. one the smaller bill size and the other a regular letter size. Each has a top loader with several cards init, making it rigid. Each weighs less than 1 oz. my question is, based on OBC experience can I get away with a single First Class Forever stamp or because it is rigid do I actually need to pay the 68 cents that the PO sitesays. please let me know your opinions ASAP by return personal email ================= To: , Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:04:15 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me what I have left here... From: "Grant Rainsley" Would it ease your anxiety level a little if I was to drop 1961 #528 Ramos in the mail to you? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 8:32 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me what I have left here... I picked up the Bart Shirley/Grant Jackson 1966 Topps #591 Rookie which hadbeen going off of the charts. My fear is that I may be facing a couple of other rare, or simply overpriced high numbers left on my list. Essentially,I am still needing some highs from 1961, 1966 and 1967. I do need from 1962 and 1965 but those aren't that exorbitant. What I'm wanting to know is if this list contains any of these so called difficult to get cards... Here is my list of high numbers I need from 61, 66 and 67 525, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 535, 536, 538, 542, 543, 544, 546, 551, 553, 554, 556, 557, 558, 559, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 568, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 578, 579, 580, 581, 583, 585, 586, 589 525, 528, 540, 544, 547, 555, 562, 566, 567, 570, 576, 583, 588 535, 536, 540, 544, 545, 553, 558, 560, 567, 570, 571, 573, 575, 576, 585, 587, 592, 594, 600, 607 Jay Tysver ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 09:07:06 -0700 To: Robert Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postage advice From: Stamper In my experience its not that rigid and I just put 47 cent postage. While we are talking about postage...I receive boxes of cards from time to time. Mailed in a three hundred count box for example and postage is $8-12. If thecards were placed in a small flat rate box it would only cost about $5.95.Just a heads up for some of you that may not be aware of FRB from the PO. John Stamper On Jun 6, 2016, at 8:32 AM, "Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I=E2=99m sending out two types of envelopes. one the smaller bill size and the other a regular letter size. Each has a top loader with several cards in it, making it rigid. Each weighs less than 1 oz. my question is,based on OBC experience can I get away with a single First Class Forever stamp or because it is rigid do I actually need to pay the 68 cents that thePO site says. > please let me know your opinions ASAP by return personal email > thanks > rob > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 16:54:00 -0700 To: obc-ramblings Subject: OBC Meet up From: Andy Huntoon Yesterday I had to chance to meet Steve Sankner and his very nice wife at the Somerset Patriots game here in Jersey. It was one of three games that I'll be taking my two kids to this season. When we got there we headed over to where Steve was sitting and met up with him. The seats next to him were not being used so my kids and I planted ourselves right there next to Steve and his wife. I was worried all week about thunderstorms that the weather man kept promising for the day, but they didn't come all afternoon and we got to enjoy the entire game. My daughter got a foul ball and my son was disappointed that he didn't have one. Well, a couple innings later one of the mascots, Slider, came walking by and he and my son were high fiving and he handed my son a game used ball too. So both kids got a game used ball which was awesome. Steve and I talked OBC, cards and work all through the game and had a great time. It was very nice to meet another OBCer in person and Steve makes 5 total for me now. And with Steve living fairly close to me and working at the Patriot's stadium, I'm sure we'll see each other plenty more. If you're going to the National then I'll see you there!!! I can't wait. Best regards to all, Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! ================= Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2016 22:13:31 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Take these cards! From: Ken M Hi gang,  Not a big response to yesterday's waiver wire, but I wasn't expecting one. We're back into the baseball box tonight. I got a large group of beat up Hostess cards from eBay this afternoon, so I picked off a few numbers on my list, upgraded just a couple (most were pretty beat up) and I'm sending them right out the door tonight. (I've got a couple decent starter lots on another server too.) I'm gonna get rid of a bunch of Fleer cards that have been gathering in my dupes box too. Condition on most of the Hostess ranges from "trouble with scissors" to "cut out with a spork". The Fleer cards are mostly G/VG. Enjoy, 1975 Hostess 1 8 11 14 17 25 50 70 71 72 106 108 117 140 146 1471976 Hostess 70 71 72 89 90 92 117 125 1481977 Hostess 1 6 39 41 46 79 80 95 100 101 101 102 102 123 134 136 1421978 Hostess 8 103 105 114 124 1321979 Hostess 1 901970 Fleer WS 5 11 18 34 49 52 601971 Fleer WS 4 9 11 14 15 16 18 19 20 21 22 22 23 25 31 35 40 42 46 48 48 52 57 61 631972 Fleer Famous Feats 34 37 371973 Fleer Wildest Days and Plays 2 4 13 16 18 20 21 22 23 27 28 29 34 36 Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 00:38:46 -0400 Subject: Bangor - Ellsworth Maine area From: richard dingman Any card shops in this area? Richard D ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 12:00:40 -0400 Subject: Drysdale post From: Shawn Smart This one shocked me a bit! anyone from here grab it? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-Post-cereal-Alpha-Bits-single-serving-box-with-Don-Drysdale-card-Poor-/322124428234?_trksidp2047675.l2557&ssPageName= ================= To: Peter Mead , OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 11:21:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- From: Aaron Shirley To the guy who may be the bidder on these: I will split it with you. I justadded the Kellogg's run on my wantlist. Well, not entirely. I added the Cardinals and basically the 500 HR club guys. http://www.ebay.com/itm/301977323598 Aaron Shirley To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:07:03 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- Ebay listing says there are 400 cards (and I am betting at least 200 of them are 1981)--but the listing has them mislabeled as Post. starting bid of $10=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 13:41:50 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley , Peter Mead Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:55:42 +0000 (UTC) To: Mark Zentkovich , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- From: Mike Mackie I'd be willing to split this with others too. Let me know Mike Mackie Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Mark Zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Me too, would like to split with others if possible Mark Zentkovich Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 6/7/2016 11:21 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Peter Mead , OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- To the guy who may be the bidder on these: I will split it with you. I justadded the Kellogg's run on my wantlist. Well, not entirely. I added the Cardinals and basically the 500 HR club guys. http://www.ebay.com/itm/301977323598 Aaron Shirley To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:07:03 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- Ebay listing says there are 400 cards (and I am betting at least 200 of them are 1981)--but the listing has them mislabeled as Post. starting bid of $10 ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:57:15 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- From: Mike Mackie I'd be willing to split this with others too. Let me know Mike Mackie Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 7, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Mark Zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Me too, would like to split with others if possible Mark Zentkovich Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device-------- Original message --------From: "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 6/7/2016 11:21 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Peter Mead , OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- To the guy who may be the bidder on these: I will split it with you. I just added the Kellogg's run on my wantlist. Well, not entirely. I added the Cardinals and basically the 500 HR club guys. http://www.ebay.com/itm/301977323598 Aaron Shirley To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2016 18:07:03 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] possible Kelloggs deal-- Ebay listing says there are 400 cards (and I am betting at least 200 of them are 1981)--but the listing has them mislabeled as Post. starting bid of $10 ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2016 20:56:19 -0400 To: yahoogroups Subject: waiver wire From: Rob Bessette Hey guys, Let me know if anyone needs these=E2=A6 1954 Topps 26 1959 Topps 328, 402, 443 1961 Topps 9, 56, 216 1962 Topps 89 1963 Topps 101 1969 Deckle 15 Pease include your address. ================= Date: 07 Jun 2016 18:37:33 -0700 To: Subject: 10 Card Waiver wire- all over the place From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 03:12:46 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: ATL hook up From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- It's been about 15 years, but James Moneta and I finally hooked up again inAtlanta. The last time I met him was about 2002 with Mac and Brock and a few others that escape my feeble memory right now. Anyway, Jamesand I hit one of my favorite watering holes with the best pretzels on the face of the earth. James brought a binder that kept me very entertained through the burger, the fish and chips, and the charred octopus. And in the end, he left me my first Obak! I doubt that I will become an Obakcollector, but like James, I tend to be an accumulator... so this one is staying put for a long time! Thanks, James! Taker Care,Geno ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2016 23:20:24 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Red Man at night, OBC delight From: Ken M Tonight's waiver wire highlighted by some Red Man cards. Please include address with claims. I've marked (*) the later expiration dates, but very few people care other than Mike Rich and myself I think. Also a bunch of checklists I'd like to part with if possible. Asterisks also noted on those if you care... You have to care, right? They're variations! You need them all! Ahem, claim away! Ken MNo tabs on Red Man cards. Assume all checklists are marked. Most are VG or worse.1952 Red Man Fain1953 Red Man Shantz (AL20)1954 Red Man Fain (AL 22) Delsing* (AL24)1955 Red Man Vernon (AL12) Hamner* (NL15)1973 Topps blue team CLOne* Angels BrewersTwo** Astros Expos Indians Phillies Reds Tigers1974 Topps red team CLOne* Brewers Cardinals Mets(2) Orioles Padres Phillies Pirates Rangers Reds WhiteSox(3)Two** Astros Braves(3) Brewers Cubs(2) Dodgers Giants Indians Orioles Padres Pirates Rangers Reds RedSox(3) Royals Tigers1973 Topps Football teamsOne* Browns Chargers Oilers Pats Raiders Rams(2) SteelersTwo** Browns Cards Eagles Giants Lions Rams Saints Vikings1974 Topps Football teamsOne* Dolphins Eagles Lions Redskins VikingsTwo** Chargers Lions Steelers Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 00:15:47 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.1 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well we are officially 8 weeks away from the National. Time to book some rooms, maybe a flight, and sort out your want lists. Keep in mind, the new goal of 75 OBC T-Shirts. If you haven't ordered yours yet, send that money over to Aaron. These things cost less than most of the cards on our want list. Note, if you are seen wearing one in Atlantic City, most likely you are going to make back the price of the shirts in cardboard being thrown at you (only because you were recognized as a member of OBC, in that cool shirt and hat!). So here is the latest roster. Please send me any blank spots info next to your name. Oh if you aren't sure, yes YOUR name should be on this list. We usually do a team dinner on Thursday night. We are going to have to research where we are going to eat. Ken is real good at finding a spot for the swap. Game is not looking good, unless Ken wants to drive an hour to see the Phils with me Tuesday. Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Y Tu-Su Joe Adriance 703-405-0483 W-Sa Jerry Barnes 937-673-0694 F-Su Jeff Delott Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Y Tu-Su Bob Donaldson Rob Fitts Th-F Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Th-Su Andy Huntoon 707-321-3441 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y W-Su Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Peter Mead 202-253-5018 Sat Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Tri Way Motel Y M-M Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Tu-Su Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Y F-Su Steve Sankner Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Fantasea Resorts No Y Su-Su Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 F-Su Chris Tripler 860-921-7843 Sat Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:18:19 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire From: Robert Fitts 3 off HOFers tonight 1962 Brooks Robby - surface wear and writing on bad 1963 brooks robby fake autograph on front 1971 wilie mays trimmed top/bottom ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:47:50 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: robies and mays gone From: Robert Fitts ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2016 21:54:45 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Forget that eBay lot for a moment... From: Ken M ..this one will be fun to split up too. The shipping on the Kellogg's lot recently mentioned on this server was over $11. This lot is about 1/4 of the size of the one on eBay, but isn't comprised of more than half of those yellow bordered ones we're not supposed to talk about on this server. The shipping on this one is free as well as the price of the cards. I'll probably end up splitting it more than three or four ways though. 1970 Kellogg's 1 1 3 5 5 5 6 6 6 11 11 11 13 14 17 17 18 23 23 45 45 48 49 49 50 51 54 55 56 56 57 59 60 61 62 66 67 67 68 70 74 751970 Rold Gold 101972 Kellogg's 2 2 2 7 7 10 11 12 16 16 17(4) 28 28 30 35 35 35 37 41 51 51 521974 Kellogg's 1 7 14 15 16 18 22 24 25 27 40 40 41 42 46 48 53 541975 Kellogg's 9 22 34 42 43 45 521977 Kellogg's 21 21 47 561978 Kellogg's 19 21 28 32 38 44 46 47 55 56 57...and only one yellow one (#20 Smith) that someone will get like the Old Maid if unclaimed. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 20:55:29 -0500 Subject: Day 1 of Mike's excellent adventure From: "George Vrechek" TJ Valacak and I joined Mike Rich for the Sox (5) and National (10) game last night at US Cellular Field. This was day one of Mike's around the MLB tour. I'm sure you will hear more from Mike. I felt privileged to be Mike's first stop and very glad that TJ felt good enough to endure the 3 hour and 55 minute contest. Mike is shown in-action at the ticket booth being photographed by TJ and me, and I've included a selfie from the game. George Vrechek ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 17:40:00 +0000 Subject: Greensboro show? From: Taylor Schock Anyone going to the Greensboro show this weekend (more than likely limited to Doug or Jake)? I'll be going Saturday. ================= To: "vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com" , Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 20:15:35 +0000 Subject: 1978 Topps Pack Break From: Jo Meyer and John Gray My friends,For those interested, my monthly pack break YouTube series continues this month with the breaking of a 1978 Topps wax pack. For those squeamish about violence toward checklists, you'd best look away....Be happy,JSGJohn Scott Gray https://youtu.be/dQJQK6cDJn8=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2016 16:23:55 -0400 To: Jo Meyer and John Gray Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1978 Topps Pack Break From: Mike Glasser I've not seen this before. Highly entertaining to only a select few of us who haven't quite left childhood. You must have a great gum collection as well. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD 14630 York Rd Sparks, MD 21152 > On Jun 9, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Jo Meyer and John Gray meyergray@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My friends, > For those interested, my monthly pack break YouTube series continues thismonth with the breaking of a 1978 Topps wax pack. For those squeamish about violence toward checklists, you'd best look away.... > Be happy, > JSG > John Scott Gray > https://youtu.be/dQJQK6cDJn8 ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:30:23 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: From Solomon's mines... From: Ken M Good evening OBC,  Waiver wire update: There are no more Red Man cards. The six I offered up were claimed by at least ten people. The lots on the DS server were also sold. In fact, very little is left from all of the waiver wires so far - mostly the red and FB checklists from the other day. The rest should be hitting mailboxes soon. Everything has already been mailed out except for yesterday's waiver wire items. We'll get to tonight's list after a short story, which you don't have to read to claim a card or twelve.   When I first joined OBC... and maybe even before I joined, I was on AOL combing the message boards at the Grandstand looking for vintage cards. One of the auction lists I got onto was from a guy named Solomon Cramer. I got a lot of good deals from him on his e-mail sale lists. Once in a while he would run auctions via e-mail as well (this was back before eBay really took off). Anyway, one auction he had was a $5 MB auction with like 1000 lots in it. The last i tem in this auction was a bid on all the unbid lots - so if no one wanted to bid the minimum 5 bucks on a card, you could win it for less than the MB. Well, I put in the winning bid of $3 or $3.25 - and the were a few HUNDRED unbid lots. Over the years, I've added a few to new sets I started, sold a few, but sent out a bunch to you guys - and some went out in earlier waiver wires this month. Tonight's waiver wire is almost all that remains of those formerly unwanted cards (there was some UV too). They all still have the original inventory stickers on the semi-rigid holders. Most are HOF'ers or stars. There's a few that got thrown into the pile for good measure too. Your 24 hours to claim started when I started typing this an hour ago :-) 1958 Topps 256 3861961 Topps 20(4)1961 Fleer 11962 Topps 2431966 Topps 5281970 Topps 2901971 Topps 55(3) 160 210(3) 2501974 Topps 1301976 Topps 1 1 160 3161977 Topps 6501978 Topps 72 173(5) 530 7041979 Topps 24 24 330 Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2016 22:30:23 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: From Solomon's mines... From: Ken M Good evening OBC,  Waiver wire update: There are no more Red Man cards. The six I offered up were claimed by at least ten people. The lots on the DS server were also sold. In fact, very little is left from all of the waiver wires so far - mostly the red and FB checklists from the other day. The rest should be hitting mailboxes soon. Everything has already been mailed out except for yesterday's waiver wire items. We'll get to tonight's list after a short story, which you don't have to read to claim a card or twelve.   When I first joined OBC... and maybe even before I joined, I was on AOL combing the message boards at the Grandstand looking for vintage cards. One of the auction lists I got onto was from a guy named Solomon Cramer. I got a lot of good deals from him on his e-mail sale lists. Once in a while he would run auctions via e-mail as well (this was back before eBay really took off). Anyway, one auction he had was a $5 MB auction with like 1000 lots in it. The last i tem in this auction was a bid on all the unbid lots - so if no one wanted to bid the minimum 5 bucks on a card, you could win it for less than the MB. Well, I put in the winning bid of $3 or $3.25 - and the were a few HUNDRED unbid lots. Over the years, I've added a few to new sets I started, sold a few, but sent out a bunch to you guys - and some went out in earlier waiver wires this month. Tonight's waiver wire is almost all that remains of those formerly unwanted cards (there was some UV too). They all still have the original inventory stickers on the semi-rigid holders. Most are HOF'ers or stars. There's a few that got thrown into the pile for good measure too. Your 24 hours to claim started when I started typing this an hour ago :-) 1958 Topps 256 3861961 Topps 20(4)1961 Fleer 11962 Topps 2431966 Topps 5281970 Topps 2901971 Topps 55(3) 160 210(3) 2501974 Topps 1301976 Topps 1 1 160 3161977 Topps 6501978 Topps 72 173(5) 530 7041979 Topps 24 24 330 Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 01:39:20 -0400 To: cardclctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] From Solomon's mines... From: Joshua Levine I loved Solomon's sales and auctions...I often won great stuff from him andhe would often email me specifically if he had something I might be interested in...miss those days of Bill Henderson's auctions, Solomon Cramer's auctions, Gar Miller's sales lists, and teletrade... -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Thu, Jun 9, 2016 7:30 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] From Solomon's mines... Good evening OBC, Waiver wire update: There are no more Red Man cards. The six I offered upwere claimed by at least ten people. The lots on the DS server were also sold. In fact, very little is left from all of the waiver wires so far - mostly the red and FB checklists from the other day. The rest should be hitting mailboxes soon. Everything has already been mailed out except for yesterday's waiver wire items. We'll get to tonight's list after a short story, which you don't have to read to claim a card or twelve. When I first joined OBC... and maybe even before I joined, I was on AOL combing the message boards at the Grandstand looking for vintage cards. Oneof the auction lists I got onto was from a guy named Solomon Cramer. I gota lot of good deals from him on h is e-mail sale lists. Once in a while hewould run auctions via e-mail as well (this was back before eBay really took off). Anyway, one auction he had was a $5 MB auction with like 1000 lotsin it. The last item in this auction was a bid on all the unbid lots - so if no one wanted to bid the minimum 5 bucks on a card, you could win it forless than the MB. Well, I put in the winning bid of $3 or $3.25 - and the were a few HUNDRED unbid lots. Over the years, I've added a few to new setsI started, sold a few, but sent out a bunch to you guys - and some went out in earlier waiver wires this month. Tonight's waiver wire is almost all that remains of those formerly unwanted cards (there was some UV too). They all still have the original inventory stickers on the semi-rigid holders. Most are HOF'ers or stars. There's a few that got thrown into the pile for good measure too. Your 24 hours to claim started when I started typing this an hour ago :-) 1958 Topps 256 386 1961 Topps 20(4) 1961 Fleer 1 1962 Topps 243 1966 Topps 528 1970 Topps 290 1971 Topps 55(3) 160 210(3) 250 1974 Topps 130 1976 Topps 1 1 160 316 1977 Topps 650 1978 Topps 72 173(5) 530 704 19 79 Topps 24 24 330 Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2016 21:46:35 -0400 To: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hilliard ohio show next weekend From: ShoelessWes I know its last minute, but it looks like Nolan and I should be riding up in the morning. Wes Shepard Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 2, 2016, at 11:49 AM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys. just curious to know if any of you might be thinking /planning on attending this show Saturday the 11th of June. I will be driving north from florida Friday and Saturday and my plan is to find a motel somewhere within an hour or so of Columbus and do the show Saturday morning. hoping to see some of youse guys that are close there. P.S. I will have my OBC hat on. jerry laughed at this til I mentioned that most of us have only seen eachother once or twice. > already have a definitely maybe from jerry barnes (even if his sidekick partner riding to shows mate Wes cant do it) be well all and have a great day > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:15:52 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Well, this is odd... From: Ken M Hi gang,   Anyone else feel kinda cheated that the post office sold all those forever stamps and then for the first time in 250 years, the price of a stamp goes DOWN? I was in the post office the other day loading up on stamps and asked for a sheet of 'second ounce' stamps, not knowing what the new value was on them. Well, I still don't know because the stamps actually have 'second ounce' written on them instead of a numerical value - Forever second ounce stamps, go figure.  Tonight's waiver wire has a bunch of things in my dupes box from odd years, odd sizes or odd sets - or has me asking questions like, "How did I end up with five 1970 Topps posters, three of which are Phil Niekro?" Claims won't be processed for 24 hours, so don't think that you won't have a shot at a card if you're not checking your e-mail after midnight EST. The first card is to see if Geno Wagner is paying attention, although he may not need/want it. The rest are fair game. Addresses are encouraged and if you're real close on one of these sets, it won't hurt to mention that. Enjoy, Ken M 1912 T202 McConnell/McIntyre Hal Chase Too Late (very poor)1947-66 Exhibits Alvin Dark(Braves)1949 Bowman 41 (paper loss on back)1954 Bowman 101958 Topps 3681962 Topps stamps Banks Howard1963 Jello 80(Yaz)1964 Topps super 551969 Deckle 141970 Topps posters 1 2 2 2 241970 Rold Gold 11979 Burger King Yankees 201970-71 Topps BkB 8 27 146 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 00:25:48 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Finding more things to collect... From: ChicoD1@aol.com I have been toying with a few sets and players. I am finally going to delve into a few players that are favs of mine. If he wasn't in the HOF, Eddie Giacomin would be my HOMer. All time favorite player, right on par with Bud Harrelson. Also on the list, former Islander coach Al Arbour. How cool is it to play hockey with glasses? I know I had to when I was a kid. 3rd (and I probably have all his cards in my Islander collection) Glenn "Chico" Resch, 4th-we'll stick with hockey and the man that proceeded Giacomin with the NY Rovers- Gump Worsley. I've been compiling another list... this one of first year teams. I went back to 1960, but I may have to include a few 50s teams. Example- 1969 Seattle Pilots, 1972 Texas Rangers, 1962 Mets, 1971 Milwaukee Brewers- you get the idea. I already have the Pilots and Mets and Colt45s completed. These might look good in a binder. Best part, most of those teams had crappy players, so that should make it pretty do-able (unless I add 58 Dodgers and Giants). Of course, variations will be part of any list I make. I hope to post any or all of these soon. Speaking of variations- Does anyone have 1962 greenies of 162 Sammy Drake and 183 Roger Craig? I noticed that I did my Met set well before I started the variations, so I'd like to add them to the Met Topps collection. My Met collection is pretty nice, so I'd like to see these in something like vg/ex or better. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS - don't forget to order your OBC shirts :-) ! ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 10:01:34 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Milwaukee's first year as the Brewers was 1970, not 1971. Since you aredoing re-located franchises and I am in Minnehaha at the moment, you need to include the Twins after the Senators. The Milwaukee Braves, after moving from Boston, Atlanta Braves, after moving from Milwaukee. Oakland A's from KC, KC A's after Philadelphia. Baltimore O's after St. Louis Browns. You included Seattle in 1969, but what about the Expos, Royals and Padres???The new Senators in 1961 and Angels. OBC years would also include the Blue Jays and Mariners. You may now proceed to update your lists!!! -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:25 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... I have been toying with a few sets and players. I am finally going to delveinto a few players that are favs of mine. If he wasn't in the HOF, Eddie Giacomin would be my HOMer. All time favorite player, right on par with Bud Harrelson. Also on the list, former Islander coach Al Arbour. How cool is it to play hockey with glasses? I know I had to when I was a kid. 3rd (and Iprobably have all his cards in my Islander collection) Glenn "Chico" Resch, 4th-we'll stick with hockey and the man that proceeded Giacomin with the NY Rovers- Gump Worsley. I've been compiling another list... this one of first year teams. I went back to 1960, but I may have to include a few 50s teams. Example- 1969 Seattle Pilots, 1972 Texas Rangers, 1962 Mets, 1971 Milwaukee Brewers- you get the idea. I already have the Pilots and Mets and Colt45s completed. These might look good in a binder. Best part, most of those teams had crappy players, so that should make it pretty do-able (unless I add 58 Dodgers and Giants). Of course, variations will be part of any list I make. I hope to post any or all of these soon. Speaking of variations- Does anyone have 1962 greenies of 162 Sammy Drake and 183 Roger Craig? I noticed that I did my Met set well before I started the variations, so I'd like to add them to the Met Topps collection. My Met collection is pretty nice, so I'd like to see these in something like vg/exor Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS - don't forget to order your OBC shirts :-) ! ================= Date: 11 Jun 2016 08:35:56 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 12:22:12 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm doing when the team first appeared on cards...Brewers on the 71s, etc... I have to work on the 50s teams then I'll post. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/11/2016 11:35:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Mike's reply brings up an interesting question: for teams that move (and/or expansion teams) should one do a first year team set or a first year in uniform set? Or both? :) The Brew Crew existed in 70 as Mike reminds us, but (as most of us likely know) Topps issued a second year of Pilots cards. 71 was the first time Topps featured Brewer cards. Some of the expansion cards (especially the 61s) are extremely bland, whereas most of the 63 Topps Mets and Astros cards actually feature the colorful new uni's vs the 62 expansion hodge podge. Just food for thought as we look to shake up summer a bit - enjoy! ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 13:42:25 -0500 To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 00:14:28 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Prewar availables From: Matthew Glidden Got a pair of guys who have attached trivia. 40PB #145 Vitautris ("Vito") Casimirus Tamulis is not only from my town (Cambridge, MA) but is the only MLBer to have any of those three names. Goudey Wide Pens : Tony Freitas holds the minor league record for wins for a lefty (342) and is in the PCL HOF, having spent most of his career with Californian teams. For class C Stockton in 1953, 17 years removed from his last MLB appearance, the 45yo Freitas started 32 games and won 22. Yowza. FCFS and please include your address! ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 00:35:44 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Prewar availables claimed! From: Matthew Glidden Both cards claimed in 5 min. OBC is ON TASK tonight! On Sat, Jun 11, 2016 at 8:14 PM Matthew Glidden > Got a pair of guys who have attached trivia. > 40PB #145 Vitautris ("Vito") Casimirus Tamulis is not only from my town > (Cambridge, MA) but is the only MLBer to have any of those three names. > Goudey Wide Pens : Tony Freitas holds the minor league record for wins for > a lefty (342) and is in the PCL HOF, having spent most of his career with > Californian teams. For class C Stockton in 1953, 17 years removed from his > last MLB appearance, the 45yo Freitas started 32 games and won 22. Yowza. > FCFS and please include your address! > Spike ================= Date: 11 Jun 2016 19:01:57 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2016 23:22:20 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Based upon your criteria, do you need to do the 1974 Washington Nationals??? -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... I'm doing when the team first appeared on cards...Brewers on the 71s, etc... I have to work on the 50s teams then I'll post. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/11/2016 11:35:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Mike's reply brings up an interesting question: for teams that move (and/orexpansion teams) should one do a first year team set or a first year in uniform set? Or both? :) The Brew Crew existed in 70 as Mike reminds us, but (as most of us likelyknow) Topps issued a second year of Pilots cards. 71 was the first time Topps featured Brewer cards. Some of the expansion cards (especially the 61s) are extremely bland, whereas most of the 63 Topps Mets and Astros cards actually feature the colorful new uni's vs the 62 expansion hodge podge. Just food for thought as we look to shake up summer a bit - enjoy! ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 00:09:27 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Day 11 waivers From: Ken M Hi gang,  I'm starting to have my doubts as to whether I can make my dupes last the rest of the month. I don't have a lot of 60's dupes after this - and the 50's were all snapped up. I may have to take the 70's one year at a time with all four sports. Tonight's waivers are a bit more traditional, but I still hope you can find something you can use. Dig in! 1958 Topps 1611959 Topps 411 454 545 5481960 Topps 15 23 45 53 63 79 106 112 162 187 208 213 220 256 286 431 434 4591963 Topps 127** 4791964 Topps 189 274 297 3451965 Topps 28 38 48 167 2231966 Topps 21967 Topps 46(tr) 83 86 281 4491969 Topps game 27 331969 Topps 19 29 29 57 77 91 92 107 110 136 334 371 374 483 504 582**Has a foil stamp on it: '50th ann.' - some kind of buyback? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 02:30:18 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en EXCELLENT Idea (even though I have them all in my set), why not! The team that really wasn't! I owe you a call back! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/11/2016 11:22:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: Based upon your criteria, do you need to do the 1974 Washington -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jun 11, 2016 12:22 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding more things to collect... I'm doing when the team first appeared on cards...Brewers on the 71s, etc... I have to work on the 50s teams then I'll post. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/11/2016 11:35:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-_noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:noreply@yahoogroups.com) writes: Mike's reply brings up an interesting question: for teams that move (and/or expansion teams) should one do a first year team set or a first year uniform set? Or both? :) The Brew Crew existed in 70 as Mike reminds us, but (as most of us likely know) Topps issued a second year of Pilots cards. 71 was the first time Topps featured Brewer cards. Some of the expansion cards (especially the 61s) are extremely bland, whereas most of the 63 Topps Mets and Astros cards actually feature the colorful new uni's vs the 62 expansion hodge podge. Just food for thought as we look to shake up summer a bit - enjoy! ================= Date: 12 Jun 2016 07:02:05 -0700 To: Subject: Hilliard OH show report From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 12:50:48 -0500 Subject: OBC Photo Gallery Want List From: "George Vrechek" We have made progress lately on getting photos of most members, but still have some on the want list of no photos and some which could use "upgrades." Again, if you feel like sharing a photo or two send them to me or Tom Housley. Thanks. George Vrechek PHOTOS NEEDED: Dan Angland Bill Ashton Gary Beard Steve Carter Dan Cipra Jerry Coker James Cooper Nick Covello Jim Craig Jeff Delott Michael Dillon Alvin Edwards Dave Fallen Joel Glickman Ken Goetsch Greg Henthorn Peter Iversen Rick Keating Earl Kilbourn Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Nate Mack John McLaughlin Matt Meister Greg Miller Howard Morgan Jeffrey and Michael Newman Chuck Paris Patrick Prickett Dave Purdham Richard Robinson Mike Rumley-Wells Bob Saxton Sean Schuettpelz Jim Silva Jeff Sinclair Geno Wagner Brandon Wax Randy Welk Jeff Whitworth Matt Yudt Larry Zurawski UPGRADES NEEDED TO SINGLE PHOTOS WE HAVE THAT WON'T EASILY CONVERT TO A Joe Adriance Andy Cook Bob D'Angelo Tom Elliott Jake Elwell Rob Fitts Steve Hitzeman Mark Holland Rick Lyons Sean McGowan Peter Mead Bob Neill Keith Summers Father Pat Wattigny ================= Date: 12 Jun 2016 15:57:44 -0700 To: Subject: 10 Random Waiver Wires (2nd list) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2016 23:51:51 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Big Football Waiver Wire From: Ken M Hi gang,  Tonight's waiver wire is basically two starter lots that I was originally going to DS, but decided it'd be more fun to split them up. (My dealer scum lots must be either overpriced or really boring I think.) The BIG in the title refers to the size of the cards, not the size of the waiver wire. The 54's are pretty beat up and the 55's are atrocious (they are cards I've upgraded). Claim away, Ken M 1954 Bowman FB 1 2 10 26 32 36 37 44 47 59 90 107 115 122 126 127 128 1955 Topps All Am. FB 6 9 13 34 54 63 64 64 67 69 72 74 75 80 86 88 92 92 99 100 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 12 Jun 2016 21:55:45 -0700 To: Subject: MIKE RICH has arrived! From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 01:23:00 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stanley Cup Game 6 report From: Ed Pike Just got back from Game 6. This was the only time I have seen a Stanley Cup Finals game in person. For some reason Game 6 ticket prices, while still plenty high, took a significant dip by the time I got back from a week of vacation on Sat so I took the plunge. I sat in the upper level way up high and just in front of the Pen's owner's box.There was a bunch of league presence, some police with some serious looking weapons, and a dazzling pre-game show. Unfortunately, the Sharks were not as dazzling though I am happy that they had there best season ever to make it as far as the finals. Their goalie made many unbelievable saves. While I didn't want to see Pittsburgh win, I stayed around to see the trophy presentation and it was still fun to see. Congrats to Pittsburgh fans. If any Pen's fan want a few pix of Super Mario sitting in his box just behind me just LMK. Ed Pike ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 11:25:16 -0400 Subject: waivers From: Shawn Smart I haven't had too much time in June to send out packages, so maybe this will help out a few people I owe. Claim away! 56 Topps - 62, 86, 10164 Topps - 23467 Topps - 208 (poor)68 Topps - 119 (writing)69 Topps - 2971 Topps - 11, 3373 Topps - 50376 Topps - 340 (miscut) ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 15:50:26 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: OBC 1950s Yankee lot on eBay From: Matthew Glidden http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-1953-1956-etc-Topps-Baseball-Card-Lot-New-York-Yankees-Low-Grade-Poor-/331880655513?hash=item4d45a0ea99:g:nWgAAOSwSgJXNh4t Looks like 10 cards for $13 ================= To: OBC Ramblings , OBC National Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 10:19:17 -0500 Subject: 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS. ORDER NOW! From: Aaron Shirley With a little less than a week to go, we have 52 shirts pre-ordered. Some guys are still considering. A few guys haven't yet paid. Please be aware of the ORDERS & FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY MONDAY, JUNE 20TH. Easiest payment method is via PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com GET YOUR 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from an anonymous benevolent COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES ($9 shipped) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - Shirts are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton except safety orange which is 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We've just passed the 50 shirt mark. I've got my eye on us hitting 75 though! - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering additional shirts for future - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. - Payment by check or money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - ORDERS AND FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY JUNE 20TH. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 15:57:22 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Doug McWilliams article From: mark zentkovich I just read this one on the OBC Library page, and it was very interesting.. I especially like the pics that showed 6 pics of an indians pitcher, and the one selected for the actual card. very neat! if any of you newer guys have not visited the OBC Library yet, it is well worth your time. mark zentkovich ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:32:34 -0400 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS. ORDER NOW! From: Andy Huntoon Everyone should order at least one shirt at these prices. I can't wait to get mine! Don't wait any longer guys. Get those orders and payments in to Aaron Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-NATIONAL] wrote: > With a little less than a week to go, we have 52 shirts pre-ordered. Someguys are still considering. A few guys haven't yet paid. Please be aware of the deadline: > ORDERS & FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY MONDAY, JUNE 20TH. > Easiest payment method is via PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com > GET YOUR 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS! > - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from an anonymousbenevolent > COLORS / OPTIONS: > - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to match the most recent OBC cap) > - POCKET TEES ($9 shipped) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. > - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. > - Shirts are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton except safety orange which is 50/50. > - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com > MINIMUM / EXTRAS > - We've just passed the 50 shirt mark. I've got my eye on us hitting 75 though! > - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering additional shirts for future members. > PRICING > - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. > - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. > - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. > PAYMENT > - Payment by check or money order made out to Aaron Shirley. > - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com > - ORDERS AND FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY JUNE 20TH. Please don't wait untilthen! > - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! > Thanks! > Aaron Shirley > OBC class of 2005 > ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 13:42:45 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS. ORDER NOW! From: JAY TYSVER Be cool to have Lettermen's Jackets. I think I can letter in Basketball, Baseball and Football. Working on Hockey and Non-sport. Jay Tysver CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-national@yahoogroups.com; obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com To: uthminsta@hotmail.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 14:32:34 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS. ORDER NOW! Everyone should order at least one shirt at these prices. I can't wait to get mine! Don't wait any longer guys. Get those orders and payments in to Aaron Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:19 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-NATIONAL] wrote: With a little less than a week to go, we have 52 shirts pre-ordered. Some guys are still considering. A few guys haven't yet paid. Please be aware of the ORDERS & FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY MONDAY, JUNE 20TH. Easiest payment method is via PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com GET YOUR 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from an anonymous benevolent COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES ($9 shipped) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - Shirts are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton except safety orange which is 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We've just passed the 50 shirt mark. I've got my eye on us hitting 75 though! - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering additional shirts for future - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. - Payment by check or money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - ORDERS AND FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY JUNE 20TH. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2016 20:27:35 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: About 70 from the 70's From: Ken M Hi all,  Nothing fancy tonight. All of yesterday's FB cards are going out (a couple people replied with "I'll take any leftovers.", so there aren't any now. I've go a half dozen puffies to mail and I'll be all caught up. Hope someone can find something in this pile. There seems to be a few miscuts mixed in here. Ken M1970 Topps* 18 22 24 30 38 59 94 102 105 112 127 161 180 269mc 277 330 443 531mc1971 Topps* 4 8 71 94 95 99 129 155 176 204 266 307 334 334 337 348 376 616mk1972 Topps* 6 30 31 41 57 63 67 73 88mc 94 109 111 120 124 127 153 161 163 177 178 181mc 182 196 203 219 247 251 261 293 4781973 Topps* 3 98 214 254 578 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 23:07:20 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Overreaction From: Ken M Hi gang,  Tonight's waiver wire in a bit. I was thoroughly disappointed with yesterday's waiver wire in that I didn't get one single reply. So while I was super busy at work today with our semi-annual inventory, I was lamenting how pitiful my dupes box has become after two straight weeks of waiver wires. And I was going to try to go every day for the whole month? Pretty sad state of affairs if I can't get even one reply. I knew the list was a bunch of early 70's mostly low number commons, but not even ONE REPLY?!? Then it occured to me, I don't really remember seeing the message in my inbox. I checked before typing this up and ...Hey! There's two emails sitting in my 'outbox' folder of my phone marked 'failed to send' - stupid phone. Anyway, so I just sent what was supposed to be YESTERDAY'S waiver wire and I'm adding a few other cards in this email as tonight's waiver wire. Both will be packaged to be mailed out tomorrow night. This list is small and the cards themselves ar e small, but I anticipate big interest. Opening the floodgates... Ken M1911 T205 gold bordersBall (SwCap) GoodBirmingham (PolBr) GoodBirmingham (SwCap) Fair not too readable backHoffman (SwCap) Poor corner missing, paper loss on front cornerB. Lord (Pdmnt) GoodMcIntyre (SwCap) Very Poor right edge chewed off, but mostly readable backRowan (PolBr) Poor spots of paper loss on front, two big patches on back Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2016 23:33:24 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] About 70 from the 70's From: Ken M A couple people have already asked, so I need to clarify: the lists are all baseball. No FB cards tonight (on either list). Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Tue, Jun 14, 2016 10:36 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] About 70 from the 70's Hi all,  Nothing fancy tonight. All of yesterday's FB cards are going out (a couple people replied with "I'll take any leftovers.", so there aren't any now. I've go a half dozen puffies to mail and I'll be all caught up. Hope someone can find something in this pile. There seems to be a few miscuts mixed in here. Ken M1970 Topps* 18 22 24 30 38 59 94 102 105 112 127 161 180 269mc 277 330 443 531mc1971 Topps* 4 8 71 94 95 99 129 155 176 204 266 307 334 334 337 348 376 616mk1972 Topps* 6 30 31 41 57 63 67 73 88mc 94 109 111 120 124 127 153 161 163 177 178 181mc 182 196 203 219 247 251 261 293 4781973 Topps* 3 98 214 254 578 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 00:12:58 -0400 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Overreaction From: Mark Talbot Hey Ken, The Lord card is on my list. I could use that one. Thanks ------------ Mark Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 14, 2016, at 11:07 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi gang, > Tonight's waiver wire in a bit. I was thoroughly disappointed with yesterday's waiver wire in that I didn't get one single reply. So while I was super busy at work today with our semi-annual inventory, I was lamenting howpitiful my dupes box has become after two straight weeks of waiver wires. And I was going to try to go every day for the whole month? Pretty sad state of affairs if I can't get even one reply. I knew the list was a bunch of early 70's mostly low number commons, but not even ONE REPLY?!? Then it occured to me, I don't really remember seeing the message in my inbox. I checked before typing this up and ...Hey! There's two emails sitting in my 'outbox' folder of my phone marked 'failed to send' - stupid phone. Anyway, so Ijust sent what was supposed to be YESTERDAY'S waiver wire and I'm adding afew other ca rds in this email as tonight's waiver wire. Both will be packaged to be mailed out tomorrow night. This list is small and the cards themselves are small, but I anticipate big interest. Opening the floodgates... > Ken M > 1911 T205 gold borders > Ball (SwCap) Good > Birmingham (PolBr) Good > Birmingham (SwCap) Fair not too readable back > Hoffman (SwCap) Poor corner missing, paper loss on front corner > B. Lord (Pdmnt) Good > McIntyre (SwCap) Very Poor right edge chewed off, but mostly readable back > Rowan (PolBr) Poor spots of paper loss on front, two big patches on back > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 15:03:26 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Waiver Wire Wednesday, FCFS From: chris tripler Hopefully, Ken Morganti has gotten everyone excited about the floodgates ofcardboard you can receive. I have been plowing through printer boxes of stuff, and I still feel I've only scratched the surface. Taking off for a month a week from Friday, so I want to make sure these get into the mail by next week...that said, here's a big Waiver wire list for everyone... These are definitely more for the "Better a hole in a card then a hole in the set" folks...though there are a couple of decent grades ones in these lots, especially the basketball ones...BASEBALL* 1953T #s 8, 205* 1956T #s 301, 317* 1958T #s 53, 110, 116, 143, 149, 156 (x2), 182, 208, 489 (x2, Jensen AS)* 1959T #s 116, 142, 163, 198, 347 (all gray backs)* 1960T #s 8, 33, 95, 104, 105, 110, 123, 128, 198, 199, 229, 232, 236, 243, 452 BASKETBALL*71-71T #144 CL#1 unch'd*77-78T #18 (white back)*78-79T #s 4, 8, 14, 17, 2122, 23, 44, 54, 66, 69, 71, 74, 79, 88, 95, 96, 97, 99, 100, 101, 103, 108, 111, 112, 113, 118, 119, 127, 131*79-80T #s 3, 4, 12, 16, 18, 19, 28, 28, 29, 35, 37, 38, 39, 40, 42, 43, 46, 48, 49, 51, 54, 56, 66, 67, 68, 69, 72, 73, 74, 76, 78, 91, 92, 96, 97, 103, 117, 119, 123, 129, 131 FOOTBALL* 1973T #s 52, 155, 509, 518, 527* 1973T Team CL NNO (all '*', but I don't know if there is a '**' version) - Chargers unck'd, Dolphins unck'd, Jets unck'd, Packers ck'd, Rams ck'd, Vikings unck'd* 1975T Wonder Bread #s 1, 19* 1976T Wonder Bread #s 13, 19* 1978F Team Cards #s 6, 21, 53, 61* 1979F Team Cards #s 3, 10, 44, 45, 57, 66, 69* 1980F Team Cards #s 10, 11, 16 Enjoy, my cardboard brethren...as always, Addresses are always welcomed! Happy Summer!Trip ================= Date: 15 Jun 2016 09:45:02 -0700 To: Subject: 10 Card Waiver wire- 3rd installment From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 00:07:24 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: in case Ken M. is too tired to waiver tonite my fill in. From: John Dahms when I read that ken was working hard at work and his dupes box was gettinga bit thin I thought I would shoot this out as a possible rest night for him. doubtful but here it goes anyway. 75 topps mini's 522 106 62 topps 115 4 293 61 topps 117 382 143 60 topps 379 87 257 367 151 58 topps 433 57 topps 346 66 topps 452 all are baseball John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 21:53:31 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Limited time offer! From: Ken M Hi all,  Step right up and be the first kid on your block to own these great football, basketball and hockey cards! These aren't just any sports cards either. No sir! These are well loved examples of former NFL, NBA and NHL players. Best of all, they're all FREE! But you must act fast. These things aren't gonna sit here forever... well, that's what they've been doing for the better part of the last decade or more. Now is the time to ship them out to be enjoyed again! Want your cards faster? Include your shipping address and our team (me, myself and I) will expedite packing! Act now! Ken MHOCKEY1972-73 Topps 48 84 128 134 1341973-74 Topps 8 14 36 51 78 83 89 89 91 108 137 137 151 159 179 180 1971974-75 Topps 23 25 51 65 143 165 204 233 240 251 BASKETBALL1971-72 Topps 66 99 102 113 120 1311972-73 Topps 77 109 111 164 167 187 238 2541978-79 Topps 1 101979-80 Topps 14 25 66 FOOTBALL1961 NuCard 1571973 Topps 68 168 235 235 358 4511974 Topps 46 3151975 Topps 2441976 Topps 11 15 20 20 30 31 31 41 41 42(3) 83 87 90 95 99 99 111 120(3) 169 169 176 216 224 226 238 244 249 258 267 278(3) 326 336 344 345 363 370 398 493 4931978 Topps 56 125 150 158 189 201 242 262 287 321 441 5161979 Topps 340 341 4701980 Topps 160 175 4501978 Fleer 681975 Wonder Bread 13 131976 Wonder Bread 41975 Topps 49ers team (sked front, thin stock) Void where prohibited. Results may vary. Putting in a claim does not guarantee you all cards or any cards claimed. Valid only in North America, Central America and Europe. Must be a member of OBC, past or present to make a valid claim. Claims must be submitted via e-mail. Not responsible for lost, misdirected or returned e-mail. Postage is free, but claimant is responsible for any data charges or other costs associated with submitting a claim. Offer expires Thursday 6/16/2016 at around 9 PM EST or whenever waiver wire cards begin to be sorted among claimants. Poster of waiver wire not responsible for typographical errors or omissions. Quality of cards only guaranteed to be recognizable as a card and does not infer a specific grade. By claiming a card, the person agrees to accept the card into their collection and return proper thanks. Violation of this agreement will be met with great disappointment. So there. Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2016 23:12:12 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Limited time offer! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en All this for 3 easy payments of $0.00! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/15/2016 9:53:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi all, Step right up and be the first kid on your block to own these great football, basketball and hockey cards! These aren't just any sports cards either. No sir! These are well loved examples of former NFL, NBA and NHL players. Best of all, they're all FREE! But you must act fast. These things aren't gonna sit here forever... well, that's what they've been doing for the better part of the last decade or more. Now is the time to ship them out to enjoyed again! Want your cards faster? Include your shipping address and our team (me, myself and I) will expedite packing! Act now! Ken M 1972-73 Topp s _48 84 128 134 134_ (tel:48 84 128 134 134) 1973-74 Topps 8 14 36 51 78 83 89 89 91 108 137 137 151 159 179 180 197 1974-75 Topps _23 25 51 65 143 165 204 233 240 251_ (tel:23 25 51 65 143 165 204 233 240 251) 1971-72 Topps _66 99 102 113 120 131_ (tel:66 99 102 113 120 131) 1972-73 Topps _77 109 111 164 167 187 238 254_ (tel:77 109 111 164 167 187 238 254) 1978-79 Topps 1 10 1979-80 Topps 14 25 66 1961 NuCard 157 1973 Topps _68 168 235 235 358 451_ (tel:68 168 235 235 358 451) 1974 Topps 46 315 1975 Topps 244 1976 Topps 11 15 20 20 30 31 31 41 41 42(3) 83 87 90 95 99 99 111 120(3) 169 169 176 216 224 226 238 244 249 258 267 278(3) 326 336 344 345 363 370 398 493 493 1978 Topps 56 125 150 158 189 201 242 262 287 321 441 516 1979 Topps _340 341 470_ (tel:340 341 470) 1980 Topps _160 175 450_ (tel:160 175 450) 1978 Fleer 68 1975 Wonder Bread 13 13 1976 Wonder Bread 4 1975 Topps 49ers team (sked front, thin stock) Void where prohibited. Results may vary. Putting in a claim does not guarantee you all cards or any cards claimed. Valid only in North America, Central America and Europe. Must be a member of OBC, past or present to make valid claim. Claims must be submitted via e-mail. Not responsible for lost, misdirected or returned e-mail. Postage is free, but claimant is responsible for any data charges or other costs associated with submittinga Offer expires Thursday 6/16/2016 at around 9 PM EST or whenever waiver wire cards begin to be sorted among claimants. Poster of waiver wire not responsible for typographical errors or omissions. Quality of cards only guaranteed to be recognizable as a card and does not infer a specific grade. claiming a card, the person agrees to accept the card into their collection return proper thanks. Violation of this agreement will be met with great disappointment. So there. Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 01:00:12 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.2 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well boys, It's getting close. Time to book those flights and hotels. And don't forget to order your OBC shirts! As you get your information, let me know so I can "fill in the blanks"! We definitely need more bodies, so if you are considering going to a National, I promise you the experience of a lifetime! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Y Tu-Su Joe Adriance 703-405-0483 W-Sa Jerry Barnes 937-673-0694 F-Su Jeff Delott Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Roadway Inn Parkway Absecon No Y Tu-Su Bob Donaldson Rob Fitts Th-F Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Th-Su Andy Huntoon 707-321-3441 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y W-Su Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Y F-Sa Peter Mead 202-253-5018 Sat Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Tri Way Motel Y M-M Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Tu-Su Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Y F-Su Steve Sankner Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Fantasea Resorts No Y Su-Su Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Y F-Su Chris Tripler 860-921-7843 Sat Mac Wubben Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2016 10:50:54 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Waiver Wire Wednesday Leftovers... From: chris tripler We had a HUGELY successful waiver wire Wednesday with 13 envelopes going out My apologies for offering up a '59T #163 Sandy Koufax - not that I wouldn't, but it was a typo... the real card was #162. To make up for it, I'll be offering up a star pack trivia challenge next week...now to find that '52 Mantle... Here's what remains if anyone can use them, claim them (double dippers welcomed!, I've claimed as much as I can from K. Morganti)...otherwise, they become fodder for any newbies... BASEBALL* 1959T #s 162, 198 (all gray backs) * 1960T #s 8, 33, 95, 104, 105, 110, 198, 229 BASKETBALL*78-79T #s 4, 17, 21, 54, 69, 74, 88, 95, 99, 100, 101, 103, 108, 113 *79-80T #s 3, 4, 12, 16, 18, 19, 40, 43, 56, 68, 74 FOOTBALL* 1973T #s 518* 1973T Team CL NNO (all '*', but I don't know if there is a '**' version) - Rams ck'd, Vikings unck'd* 1978F Team Cards #s * 1979F Team Cards #s 10, 45* 1980F Team Cards #s 11 (x2) *******************************And if you were curious enough to read this far, here's some bonus waiver wire...call it a buried e-mail treasure chest *1961 (not for the faint of heart) #s 3, 12, 17 (series 1 CL, ck'd), 32, 33, 34, 36, 37, 60*1962 #186 Green Tint*1965 #189 unck'd 3rd series CL & 361 unck'd 5th series*1971 (definitely NOT for the faint of heart) #s 55 (Carlton), 67 (AL ERA LDRS w/ Palmer), 70 (NL Pitching LDRS w/ Gibson-Perry-Jenkins), 123 (1st series CL, 1 ck'd 1 unck'd), 350 Billy Williams******************************** AND Any Braves fans out there I have a UV item that I'll be happy to send along...enough said about that. ================= Date: 16 Jun 2016 19:02:34 -0700 To: Subject: 1980 Empire Strikes back- can fill some wantlists From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 00:24:31 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: From the year it all began... From: Ken M Hi all,  Late start tonight and the waiver wire is small. It comes from the year I started collecting - 1977, although I never bought a pack of the cloth stickers. I probably wouldn't have either, since I had enough trouble completing the huge 660 card regular set... or if I did get a pack, they probably would've ended up stuck to the shoebox which housed my "collection" (27 piles rubber banded together by team - one had all the LL, WS, Rookie Stars, etc.) I never did finish the set until the following year, when I happened upon a small (ten tables or so?) show at a mall in Rochester, NH. I bought the set of stickers at a shop in the early 80's and only recently began getting the * and ** versions of all the stickers and puzzle pieces. Below is the few dupes I have. I hope there's a couple people working on this set that can use these. Enjoy and thanks for reading, Ken MAll stickers and puzzle pieces are the one * version unless noted**5** 10 10 12 13 14** 14 14 15 16 17 20** 21 27** 28 29** 33 35 39 45 45** 46** 47 50NLUL NLUR NLMC NLBC NLBR NLBR Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 17 Jun 2016 04:39:28 -0700 To: Subject: Mom From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:39:16 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waiver cards... From: Brandon Let me know if you can use any. 60 t baseball- 20, 25, 38, 45, 48, 53, 69, 80, 88, 108, 171, 278, 427 59 t baseball 28 78 t football 443 Steve largent 70 t football 11, 25 stenerud, 43 bethea rc, 85 Belitnikoff, 125 Deacon jones 68 baseball game cards-Frank robinson, mike McCormick, 67 Philadelphia fb 14 Ray berry 55 bowman football 36 Please include your address! Thanks Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 10:50:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: Brandon A friend sent me this today and I thought the Obc group would enjoy: > When baseball greats Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig went on tour in baseball-crazy Japan in 1934, some fans wondered why a third-string catcher named Moe Berg was included. > Although he played with five major-league teams from 1923 to 1939, hewas a very mediocre ball player. But Moe was regarded as the brainiest ballplayer of all time. > In fact Casey Stengel once said: "That is the strangest man ever to play > When all the baseball stars went to Japan, Moe Berg went with them and many people wondered why he went with "the team" > Lou > Gehrig and > Babe Ruth > The answer was simple: Moe Berg was a United States spy, working undercover with the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of today's CIA). > Moe spoke 15 languages - including Japanese. And he had two loves: baseball and spying. > In Tokyo, garbed in a kimono, Berg took flowers to the daughter of anAmerican diplomat being treated in St. Luke's Hospital - the tallest > building in the Japanese capital. > He never delivered the flowers. The ball-player ascended to the hospital roof and filmed key features: the harbor, military installations, > railway yards, etc. > Eight years later, General Jimmy Doolittle studied Berg's films in planning his spectacular raid on Tokyo.. > His father disapproved and never once watched his son play. > In Barringer High School, Moe learned Latin, Greek and French. Moe read at least 10 newspapers everyday. > He graduated magna cum laude from Princeton - having added Spanish, Italian, German and Sanskrit to his linguistic quiver. During further > studies at the Sorbonne, in Paris , and Columbia Law School, he picked upJapanese, Chinese, Korean, Indian, Arabic, Portuguese and > Hungarian - 15 languages in all, plus some regional dialects. > While playing baseball for Princeton University, Moe Berg would describe plays in Latin or Sanskrit. > Tito's > partisans > During World War II, Moe was parachuted into Yugoslavia to assess thevalue to the war effort of the two groups of partisans there. He > reported back that Marshall Tito's forces were widely supported by the people and Winston Churchill ordered all-out support for the Yugoslav > underground fighter, rather than Mihajlovic's Serbians. > The parachute jump at age 41 undoubtedly was a challenge. But there was more to come in that same year. Berg penetrated German-held > Norway, met with members of the underground and located a secret heavy-water plant - part of the Nazis' effort to build an atomic bomb. > His information guided the Royal Air Force in a bombing raid to destroy that plant. > The > R.A.F. > destroys the > Norwegian > heavy water > plant targeted > by Moe Berg. > There still remained the question of how far had the Nazis progressedin the race to build the first Atomic bomb. If the Nazis were successful, > they would win the war. Berg (under the code name "Remus") was sent to Switzerland to hear leading German physicist Werner Heisenberg, a > Nobel Laureate, lecture and determine if the Nazis were close to buildingan A-bomb. Moe managed to slip past the SS guards at the auditorium, posing as a Swiss graduate student. The spy carried in his pocket a pistol and acyanide > If the German indicated the Nazis were close to building a weapon, Berg was to shoot him - and then swallow the cyanide pill. > Moe, sitting in the front row, determined that the Germans were nowhere near their goal, so he complimented Heisenberg on his speech and walked him back to his hotel. > Werner > Heisenberg - > he blocked > the > Nazis from > acquiring an > atomic bomb. > Moe Berg's report was distributed to Britain's Prime Minister WinstonChurchill, President Franklin D. Roosevelt and key figures in the team > developing the Atomic Bomb. Roosevelt responded: "Give my regards to the catcher.=E2=9D > Most of Germany's leading physicists had been Jewish and had fled theNazis mainly to Britain and the United States. > After the war, Moe Berg was awarded the Medal of Freedom - America 'shighest honor for a civilian in wartime. But Berg refused to accept it because > he couldn't tell people about his exploits. > After his death, his sister accepted the Medal. It now hangs in the Baseball Hall of Fame, in Cooperstown > . > Presidential > Medal of > Freedom: the > highest award > given to > civilians > during > wartime. > Moe Berg's baseball card is the only card displayed at the CIA Headquarters in Washington, DC. ================= Date: 17 Jun 2016 09:08:11 -0700 To: Subject: More About Moe Berg From: rangersteve7@optonline.net ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:22:36 -0500 To: Brandon , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: Patrick Wattigny ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 11:49:13 -0700 To: Patrick Wattigny ,"Patrick Wattigny seventytwop@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" ,Brandon ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: Dave Fallen I highly recommend "The Catcher Was A Spy". It is a great read about an extremely interesting character. There are a lot more interesting anecdotes in addition to what is captured below. And it is the onle book I ever bought that included a baseball card! Dave Fallen On June 17, 2016 9:22:36 AM PDT, "Patrick Wattigny seventytwop@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >Moe Berg was a great American citizen, truly a Renaissance man. Thanks >for sharing the story Brandon! >Fr. Pat >> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com >[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> A friend sent me this today and I thought the Obc group would enjoy: >>> When baseball greats Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig went on tour in >baseball-crazy Japan in 1934, some fans wondered why a third-string >catcher named Moe Berg was included. >>> Although he played with five major-league teams from 1923 to >1939, he was a very mediocre ball player. But Moe was regarded as the >brainiest ballplayer of all time. >>> In fact Casey Stengel once said: "That is the strangest man ever >to play baseball". >>> When all the baseball stars went to Japan, Moe Berg went with >them and many people wondered why he went with "the team" >>> Lou >>> Gehrig and >>> Babe Ruth >>> The answer was simple: Moe Berg was a United States spy, working >undercover with the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of >today's CIA). >>> Moe spoke 15 languages - including Japanese. And he had two loves: >baseball and spying. >>> In Tokyo, garbed in a kimono, Berg took flowers to the daughter >of an American diplomat being treated in St. Luke's Hospital - the >>> building in the Japanese capital. >>> He never delivered the flowers. The ball-player ascended to the >hospital roof and filmed key features: the harbor, military >>> railway yards, etc. >>> Eight years later, General Jimmy Doolittle studied Berg's films >in planning his spectacular raid on Tokyo.. >>> His father disapproved and never once watched his son play. >>> In Barringer High School, Moe learned Latin, Greek and French. >Moe read at least 10 newspapers everyday. >>> He graduated magna cum laude from Princeton - having added >Spanish, Italian, German and Sanskrit to his linguistic quiver. During >>> studies at the Sorbonne, in Paris , and Columbia Law School, he >picked up Japanese, Chinese, Korean, Indian, Arabic, Portuguese and >>> Hungarian - 15 languages in all, plus some regional dialects. >>> While playing baseball for Princeton University, Moe Berg would >describe plays in Latin or Sanskrit. >>> Tito's >>> partisans >>> During World War II, Moe was parachuted into Yugoslavia to >assess the value to the war effort of the two groups of partisans >there. He >>> reported back that Marshall Tito's forces were widely supported by >the people and Winston Churchill ordered all-out support for the >>> underground fighter, rather than Mihajlovic's Serbians. >>> The parachute jump at age 41 undoubtedly was a challenge. But >there was more to come in that same year. Berg penetrated German-held >>> Norway, met with members of the underground and located a secret >heavy-water plant - part of the Nazis' effort to build an atomic bomb. >>> His information guided the Royal Air Force in a bombing raid to >destroy that plant. >>> The >>> R.A.F. >>> destroys the >>> Norwegian >>> heavy water >>> plant targeted >>> by Moe Berg. >>> There still remained the question of how far had the Nazis >progressed in the race to build the first Atomic bomb. If the Nazis >were successful, >>> they would win the war. Berg (under the code name "Remus") was sent >to Switzerland to hear leading German physicist Werner Heisenberg, a >>> Nobel Laureate, lecture and determine if the Nazis were close to >building an A-bomb. Moe managed to slip past the SS guards at the >auditorium, posing as a Swiss graduate student. The spy carried in his >pocket a pistol and a cyanide pill. >>> If the German indicated the Nazis were close to building a >weapon, Berg was to shoot him - and then swallow the cyanide pill. >>> Moe, sitting in the front row, determined that the Germans were >nowhere near their goal, so he complimented Heisenberg on his speech >and walked him back to his hotel. >>> Werner >>> Heisenberg - >>> he blocked >>> the >>> Nazis from >>> acquiring an >>> atomic bomb. >>> Moe Berg's report was distributed to Britain's Prime Minister >Winston Churchill, President Franklin D. Roosevelt and key figures in >the team >>> developing the Atomic Bomb. Roosevelt responded: "Give my regards to >the catcher.” >>> Most of Germany's leading physicists had been Jewish and had >fled the Nazis mainly to Britain and the United States. >>> After the war, Moe Berg was awarded the Medal of Freedom - >America 's highest honor for a civilian in wartime. But Berg refused to >accept it because >>> he couldn't tell people about his exploits. >>> After his death, his sister accepted the Medal. It now hangs in >the Baseball Hall of Fame, in Cooperstown >>> . >>> Presidential >>> Medal of >>> Freedom: the >>> highest award >>> given to >>> civilians >>> during >>> wartime. >>> Moe Berg's baseball card is the only card displayed at the CIA >Headquarters in Washington, DC. Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:01:26 -0500 To: Dave Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: Brandon Glad you said that, I was eyeing a few books about him on Amazon but wasn'tsure which one would be best. Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Dave Fallen wrote: > I highly recommend "The Catcher Was A Spy". It is a great read about an extremely interesting character. There are a lot more interesting anecdotes in addition to what is captured below. And it is the onle book I ever bought that included a baseball card! > Dave Fallen >> On June 17, 2016 9:22:36 AM PDT, "Patrick Wattigny seventytwop@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> Moe Berg was a great American citizen, truly a Renaissance man. Thanks for sharing the story Brandon! >> Fr. Pat >>> On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> A friend sent me this today and I thought the Obc group would enjoy: >>>> When baseball greats Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig went on tour in baseball-crazy Japan in 1934, some fans wondered why a third-string catcher named Moe Berg was included. >>>> Although he played with five major-league teams from 1923 to 1939,he was a very mediocre ball player. But Moe was regarded as the brainiest ballplayer of all time. >>>> In fact Casey Stengel once said: "That is the strangest man ever to play baseball". >>>> When all the baseball stars went to Japan, Moe Berg went with themand many people wondered why he went with "the team" >>>> Lou >>>> Gehrig and >>>> Babe Ruth >>>> The answer was simple: Moe Berg was a United States spy, working undercover with the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of today's CIA). >>>> Moe spoke 15 languages - including Japanese. And he had two loves: baseball and spying. >>>> In Tokyo, garbed in a kimono, Berg took flowers to the daughter ofan American diplomat being treated in St. Luke's Hospital - the tallest >>>> building in the Japanese capital. >>>> He never delivered the flowers. The ball-player ascended to the hospital roof and filmed key features: the harbor, military installations, >>>> railway yards, etc. >>>> Eight years later, General Jimmy Doolittle studied Berg's films inplanning his spectacular raid on Tokyo.. >>>> His father disapproved and never once watched his son play. >>>> In Barringer High School, Moe learned Latin, Greek and French. Moeread at least 10 newspapers everyday. >>>> He graduated magna cum laude from Princeton - having added > -- > Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ================= To: Brandon , Dave Fallen Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 15:17:38 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: Shawn Smart They are supposed to be making this book into a movie starring Paul Rudd http://www.empireonline.com/movies/captain-america-civil-war/paul-rudd-starring-world-war-ii-drama-catcher-spy/ CC: seventytwop@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: david.fallen@comcast.net From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 14:01:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting reading on Moe Berg Glad you said that, I was eyeing a few books about him on Amazon but wasn'tsure which one would be best. Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2016, at 1:49 PM, Dave Fallen wrote: I highly recommend "The Catcher Was A Spy". It is a great read about an extremely interesting character. There are a lot more interesting anecdotes in addition to what is captured below. And it is the onle book I ever bought that included a baseball card! Dave Fallen On June 17, 2016 9:22:36 AM PDT, "Patrick Wattigny seventytwop@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Moe Berg was a great American citizen, truly a Renaissance man. Thanks for sharing the story Brandon! Fr. Pat On Jun 17, 2016, at 10:50 AM, Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] A friend sent me this today and I thought the Obc group would enjoy: baseball greats Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig on tour in baseball-crazy Japan 1934, some fans wondered why a third-string catcher named Moe Berg was included. Although he played with five major-league teams from 1923 to 1939, he was a very mediocre ball player. But Moe was regarded as the brainiest of all time. In fact Stengel once said: "That is the strangest man ever to play all the baseball stars went to Japan, Moe went with them and many people wondered why he went with "the Gehrig and Babe Ruth answer was simple: Moe Berg was a United States working undercover with the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of today's spoke 15 languages - including Japanese. And he had two baseball and spying. Tokyo, garbed in a kimono, Berg took flowers to the daughter of an American diplomat being treated in St. Luke's Hospital - the tallest building in the Japanese capital. never delivered the flowers. The ball-player to the hospital roof and filmed key features: the harbor, military railway yards, etc. years later, General Jimmy Doolittle studied Berg's films in planning his spectacular raid on Tokyo.. father disapproved and never once watched his son Barringer High School, Moe learned and French. Moe read at least 10 newspapers everyday. graduated magna cum laude from Princeton - having added Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 19:33:02 -0400 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] waivers From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 20:17:00 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 1980 Empire Strikes back- can fill some wantlists From: Ed Pike How can an off-center card get a PSA-10 rating? The centering is pretty good for this set, but shouldn't a PSA-10 be 50/50 on front and back? Not that I have any interest in purchasing a PSA-10 card, but that doesn't stop me from complaining :). http://www.ebay.com/itm/1986-Fleer-Basketball-Checklist-1-132-132-PSA-10-GEM-MINT-PWCC-/401135415504?hash=item5d6588b0d0:g:DTgAAOSw9eVXXCgL I suppose that you could also ask why someone would bid $4500 for a checklist card but I think I know the answer, someone who has more money than they know what to do with. Ed Pike ================= Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2016 22:26:29 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: How about a waiver wire? From: Ken M Good evening everyone,  I was going to type up a separate note, but I realized this IS the ramblings server, so here goes... I haven't typed up a ramble in a while because what's been happening around here can be summed up in two words: BORE RING. The majority of the last couple weeks have been monotonous and routine: wake up early, sit in traffic to work, stock shelves, sit in worse traffic home, take a nap (sometimes), sort out waiver requests, set up new waiver wire, go to bed - repeat.  On Tuesday, instead of a nap, I cut the grass. My (electric) lawn mower has been broken a while, so I sometimes use a sicle and practice my golf/softball swings on the grass. I usually wait until it's almost knee high for this reason. This time I used a weed whacker to take down the entire "meadow". I think holding the weed whacker was more of a workout than the sicle (although I did do the front AND back yards this time, instead of just the eyesore front). Had to work inventory Tuesday and didn't have my normal day with the kids - I was off today and got to take one of them to see "Finding Dory". Last night, without the kids to watch, I caught "Central Intelligence" and got to celebrate Father's Day early by sleeping in and going to get an oil change around 10AM (instead of getting up at 7 and driving Dom to school). I'm working extra hours on Sunday, so I won't be spending a lot of time with the kids this week. Tomorrow is Kyleigh's first dance recital, so I'm required to attend that.  My waiver wire of 7 t205's the other day was met with about 14 replies. The 70's cards I put out a day late still got zero replies until I had ONE card claimed the following day. Most of the T205's went out to the OBC'ers with more seniority (since most of them were putting in their first claim of the month). However, hardly any of them in their obvious excitement added their address - rookie mistakes. All of yesterday's hockey, FB and hoops cards are in the mail today.   Now that I've put some of you to sleep with that, it's time to wake up and smell the cardboard. All are baseball tonight. These are odds and ends that somehow did't get sorted and sent out in earlier waivers. Enjoy, Ken M 1950 Bowman(w/©) 2041953 Topps 411964 Topps 4681965 Topps 513 5131970 Topps 6641973 Topps 5571974 Topps 252 456 599(Wash) 599(lg SD-2)1976 Topps 3471977 Topps 4761979 Topps 369(Jays)1979 OPC 5 16 44(3) 101(3) 238 313 374 374 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 02:26:52 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.3 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok I've booked my hotel. I usually go pretty cheap, but damn, some of the ratings and write ups totally turned me off to some of the budget places. I saw some REALLY nice places (for over $200-300 a night). Nope, one night in a hotel is not worth a 52B Mantle. So, I compromised with myself and picked the Comfort Inn Atlantic City North. 4 miles from the convention center. Cost me $104 + tx/fees for the 2nd-7th through Hotels.com. It's a little bit further north from where Ken, Wes and Jerry are staying, but still close. I'm probably a mile or two closer to AC on Rt 30 than Nick, Spike and Andy. Richard is just off the Garden State on Rt 30, that side looks like carpooling, so we can start to figure out driving arrangements. Taylor will already have his feet in the water at the Fantasea. Those of you who haven't booked hotels yet, take a look or join Hotels.com (the prices are identical for orbitz, priceline, etc). There seem to be a long line of hotels on Rt 30 and the road Ken is on. If we can keep it close, car pooling with be easier. I can fit 5 and have lots of room for cards in the SUV. Or lift up the other seats and I can be an Uber driver! Come the first of the month, I am going to start putting handshakes together, so don't blame me if you purchase cards and get a duplicate from me LOL. Keep in mind, we were NOT able to secure badges this year. I was just going to get the daily passes, but my all time favorite player Eddie Giacomin is signing at the early bird, so I may spring for the $129 so I can meet him. Plan your budgets accordingly. If anyone needs any info, hit it up on the National server. If you are even thinking of coming to the National, get yourself added to that server. We have not picked a place for the swap as of yet. More than likely, that will be decided when Ken and myself get into town (unless someone has an "in" somewhere). I am checking around for a place for the Thursday dinner. Not all the casinos have restaurants and of those, some are pretty pricey. I need some phone numbers and dates, so continue to fill in the blanks! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Comfort Inn AC North Y Tu-Su Joe Adriance 703-405-0483 W-Sa Jerry Barnes 937-673-0694 Tri Way Motel Y F-Su Jeff Delott Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Roadway Inn Parkway Absecon No Y Tu-Su Bob Donaldson Rob Fitts Th-F Joel Freedman 978-621-2180 Y Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Th-Su Andy Huntoon 707-321-3441 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y W-Su Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Y F-Sa Peter Mead 202-253-5018 Sat Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Tri Way Motel Y M-M Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Tu-Su Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Y F-Su Steve Sankner Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Fantasea Resorts No Y Su-Su Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Tri Way Motel Y F-Su Chris Tripler 860-921-7843 Sat Mac Wubben Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 09:46:49 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: Robert Fitts Those of you who know me, know that I must reply to this thread. Some of what is stated in this story below is true =97 but not much! Berg was a fascinating man and the myths that surround him are even more interesting. I strongly recommend the Catcher was a Spy book for a well-researched Those who are interested in Berg=92s visit to Japan, you might want to readmy own book - Banzai Babe Ruth. In my research, I went over Berg=92s personal papers, recently declassified records from the OSS, and records from the American Ambassador to Japan and the US Embassy in Japan. There is no evidence that Berg was a spy during the 1934 tour- certainly not for the OSSwhich did not exist yet! Berg did take video=92s from St Luke=92s tower (I have a copy) but they played, at best, a small role in the Doolittle raid. Anyway, I love Moe Berg and can=92t wait for the movie which I=92m sure will be 99% fiction. rob fitts 3aInteresting reading on Moe Berg Fri Jun 17, 2016 8:50 am (PDT) . Posted by:"Brandon" bwax15 A friend sent me this today and I thought the Obc group would enjoy: > When baseball greats Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig went on tour in baseball-crazy Japan in 1934, some fans wondered why a third-string catcher named Moe Berg was included. > Although he played with five major-league teams from 1923 to 1939, he wasa very mediocre ball player. But Moe was regarded as the brainiest ballplayer of all time. > In fact Casey Stengel once said: "That is the strangest man ever to play baseball". > When all the baseball stars went to Japan, Moe Berg went with them and many people wondered why he went with "the team" > Lou > Gehrig and > Babe Ruth > The answer was simple: Moe Berg was a United States spy, working undercover with the Office of Strategic Services (predecessor of today's CIA). > Moe spoke 15 languages - including Japanese. And he had two loves: baseball and spying. > In Tokyo, garbed in a kimono, Berg took flowers to the daughter of an American diplomat being treated in St. Luke's Hospital - the tallest > building in the Japanese capital. > He never delivered the flowers. The ball-player ascended to the hospital roof and filmed key features: the harbor, military installations, > railway yards, etc. > Eight years later, General Jimmy Doolittle studied Berg's films in planning his spectacular raid on Tokyo.. > His father disapproved and never once watched his son play. > In Barringer High School, Moe learned Latin, Greek and French. Moe read at least 10 newspapers everyday. > He graduated magna cum laude from Princeton - having added Spanish, Italian, German and Sanskrit to his linguistic quiver. During further > studies at the Sorbonne, in Paris , and Columbia Law School, he picked upJapanese, Chinese, Korean, Indian, Arabic, Portuguese and > Hungarian - 15 languages in all, plus some regional dialects. > While playing baseball for Princeton University, Moe Berg would describe plays in Latin or Sanskrit. > Tito's > partisans > During World War II, Moe was parachuted into Yugoslavia to assess the value to the war effort of the two groups of partisans there. He > reported back that Marshall Tito's forces were widely supported by the people and Winston Churchill ordered all-out support for the Yugoslav > underground fighter, rather than Mihajlovic's Serbians. > The parachute jump at age 41 undoubtedly was a challenge. But there was more to come in that same year. Berg penetrated German-held > Norway, met with members of the underground and located a secret heavy-water plant - part of the Nazis' effort to build an atomic bomb. > His information guided the Royal Air Force in a bombing raid to destroy that > The > R.A.F. > destroys the > Norwegian > heavy water > plant targeted > by Moe Berg. > There still remained the question of how far had the Nazis progressed in the race to build the first Atomic bomb. If the Nazis were successful, > they would win the war. Berg (under the code name "Remus") was sent to Switzerland to hear leading German physicist Werner Heisenberg, a > Nobel Laureate, lecture and determine if the Nazis were close to buildingan A-bomb. Moe managed to slip past the SS guards at the auditorium, posing as a Swiss graduate student. The spy carried in his pocket a pistol and acyanide > If the German indicated the Nazis were close to building a weapon, Berg was to shoot him - and then swallow the cyanide pill. > Moe, sitting in the front row, determined that the Germans were nowhere near their goal, so he complimented Heisenberg on his speech and walked him back to his hotel. > Werner > Heisenberg - > he blocked > the > Nazis from > acquiring an > atomic bomb. > Moe Berg's report was distributed to Britain's Prime Minister Winston Churchill, President Franklin D. Roosevelt and key figures in the team > developing the Atomic Bomb. Roosevelt responded: "Give my regards to the catcher.=94 > Most of Germany's leading physicists had been Jewish and had fled the Nazis mainly to Britain and the United States. > After the war, Moe Berg was awarded the Medal of Freedom - America 's highest honor for a civilian in wartime. But Berg refused to accept it because > he couldn't tell people about his exploits. > After his death, his sister accepted the Medal. It now hangs in the Baseball Hall of Fame, in Cooperstown > . > Presidential > Medal of > Freedom: the > highest award > given to > civilians > during > wartime. > Moe Berg's baseball card is the only card displayed at the CIA Headquarters in Washington, DC. ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 08:53:13 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1974 TOPPS DECKLE EDGE # 15 CHRIS CHAMBLISS INDIANS 297866 (KYCARDS) From: Rick Not a highly collected set but several for $5 each. That's a good deal in my book only needed two wish I could of needed more. View item: 1974 TOPPS DECKLE EDGE # 15 CHRIS CHAMBLISS INDIANS 297866 (KYCARDS) End Time: Jul 17, 2016, 7:25:14 AM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 18 Jun 2016 08:57:31 -0700 To: Subject: 10 card waiver wire, day 4 From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Jun 2016 09:59:44 -0700 To: Subject: Weekend Waiver Wire From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: 18 Jun 2016 10:07:02 -0700 To: Subject: Looking for a trade (1972 Topps FB High #) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Jun 2016 10:52:00 -0700 To: Subject: PSA Grading Question From: miglasser@aol.com ================= To: , Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:17:31 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] PSA Grading Question [3 Attachments] From: "Bob Donaldson" I=E2=99m afraid it seems miscut to me also. Neither the top nor bottom bordres of the card are straight. The bottom left border especially juts out starting under the chin of the Brave. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 1:52 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] PSA Grading Question [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] included below] I submitted some cards to PSA for the first time and this one came back as miscut. It looks perfect to me but obviously I'm missing something. Any ideas? ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 14:12:23 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] PSA Grading Question [3 Attachments] From: Ken M Mike,  That card is miscut by the factory. It's really noticeable on the bottom edge. (Put the edge on a table and you'll probably see how bad it is. I took this off the PSA web page for cards that don't get a number grade: "N-8 Miscut - This term is used when the factory cut is an abnormal cut. You will not be charged the grading fee."Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Sat, Jun 18, 2016 1:52 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] PSA Grading Question [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] included below] Gentlemen:I submitted some cards to PSA for the first time and this one came back as miscut.  It looks perfect to me but obviously I'm missing something.Any ideas?ThanksMike ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 16:26:32 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Which is worse? From: Aaron Shirley Which is worse? Not having a local card shop, or having one with stuff you want, but it's way Earlier this week Mike Rich visited the local card shop while he was here. He bought some neat blankets. As he was telling me the story, he mentioned there was also a box labeled "low grade 60's." He bought ten at a dime apiece. So I was gonna go in and buy the whole box today. Asked the guy what he wanted for them, and he said a buck apiece. Ok bye. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 18 Jun 2016 15:12:05 -0700 To: Subject: Superstar Trade? From: miglasser@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:05:39 -0400 Subject: Raleigh show handshake From: "Mark Holland" I had the pleasure of attending another show with fellow OBCer Taylor Schock. As always Taylor presented me with a welcoming handshake that included a 54T, 56T and 2 71T coins. Of course he found me at Kurt Toudot=92s table perusing through some of Kurt=92s recent acquisitions. Kurt had binders of 65T & 70T that he hadn=92t gone thru yet so we pulled what I needed for my sets. Then Taylor got bored and was ready to do some bird dogging. I had asked Kurt to dig deep and find the last 5 cards I needed for my 68 set. He found the #490 Superstar card and I pulled the string. Now down to 4 Taylor is off and running to a nearby $1 box at another table. He comes back with 2 of the 4 (Drysdale & Brock AS). Now we are down to 2=85.so it is off to Uncle Dick=92s table. We are looking for Rose and Banks. Yikes the ones in the binder are $22+=85 but I scoured his bargain boxes and found the Rose for $6. Good enough for me. Taylor said let=92s check this guy over here, he=92s the one with the great $1 box and =BD price box. So we found the 68T Banks. The sticker said $15 and I kind of hesitated until the dealer said =93it=92s half that=94. That was music to my ears. I found the last card for the 68T for $7.50. Thanks for helping me hunt down those last 5 cards today Taylor. Always a pleasure to shop with guys like him. After Taylor left I walked over to the autograph guest Denny McLain. He turned out to be extremely nice and his autographed material was very reasonably priced. I got an official MLB ball and picture signed for $40. And he provided the ball and picture. He even signed a few extra cards for me. I asked him if he know Pete Rose since I met Pete in Vegas earlier in the year. And he shared a McLain trivia question with me. He asked =93who was the last player to get a hit off Denny McLain?.=94 Why Pete Rose of course. I asked him who his favorite teammate was and with the Tigers it was Bill Freehan, with the Braves he liked Clete Boyer. He said Lolich is a total jerk (worded differently). He added that Bob Gibson was even worse and arrogant even to other players. He said they were talking during the =9168 series because both had phenomenal seasons but rather than congratulate each other he said the Gibson stated =93But I did it as a black man=94. McLain told him they both threw the same ball off of the same mound so they were equals. He said the player that he respected the most was Hank Aaron. He said that very few people could have endured what Hank went through in his career. He added that Rose is a really good guy that loves his fans. He just got caught up in some stuff that was not tolerated because he thought he was Pete Rose and that it would be OK. It was interesting to hear McLain talk about having 40+ starts a year for several seasons and how the Tiger literally wore him out and threw him away like a piece of property. He finally tore his rotator cuff and they didn=92t have surgery for it back then. But he said that he was very fortunate to have been associated with Major League Baseball and recognizes that he would not be where he is today without it. He said that he tries to get all of today=92s players to recognize that they are nothing without the game. We need more guys with attitudes like that. I have added Denny to my favorite player list=85along with Pete. Overall, another great show. Thanks Taylor & Kurt. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 18:39:41 -0700 To: Mark Holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh show handshake From: Stamper Thanks for sharing Mark. Congrats on completing the 68 set. John Stamper On Jun 18, 2016, at 6:05 PM, "'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I had the pleasure of attending another show with fellow OBCer Taylor Schock. As always Taylor presented me with a welcoming handshake that included a 54T, 56T and 2 71T coins. Of course he found me at Kurt Toudot=E2=99s table perusing through some of Kurt=E2=99s recent acquisitions. Kurt had binders of 65T & 70T that he hadn=E2=99t gone thru yet so we pulled what I needed for my sets. Then Taylor got bored and was ready to do some bird dogging. I had asked Kurt to dig deep and find the last 5 cards I needed for my 68 set. He found the #490 Superstar card and I pulled the string. Now down to 4 Taylor is off and running to a nearby $1 box at anothertable. He comes back with 2 of the 4 (Drysdale & Brock AS). Now we are down to 2=E2=A6.so it is off to Uncle Dick=E2=99s table. We are looking for Rose and Banks. Yikes the ones in the binder are $22+=E2=A6 but I scoured his bargain boxes and found the Rose for $6. Good enough for me.Taylor said let=E2=99s check this guy over here, he=E2=99s the one with the great $1 box and =BD price box. So we found the 68T Banks. The sticker said $15 and I kind of hesitated until the dealer said =E2=9Cit=E2=99s half that=E2=9D. That was music to my ears. I found the last card for the 68T for $7.50. Thanks for helping me hunt down those last5 cards today Taylor. Always a pleasure to shop with guys like him. > After Taylor left I walked over to the autograph guest Denny McLain. Heturned out to be extremely nice and his autographed material was very reasonably priced. I got an official MLB ball and picture signed for $40. Andhe provided the ball and picture. He even signed a few extra cards for me. I asked him if he know Pete Rose since I met Pete in Vegas earlier in the year. And he shared a McLain trivia question with me. He asked =E2=9Cwho was the last player to get a hit off Denny McLain?.=E2=9D Why Pete Rose of course. I asked him who his favorite teammate was and with the Tigers it was Bill Freehan, with the Braves he liked Clete Boyer. He said Lolich is a total jerk (worded differently). He added that Bob Gibson was even worse and arrogant even to other players. He said they were talking during the =E268 series because both had phenomenal seasons but rather than congratulate each other he said the Gibson stated =E2=9CBut I did it as a black man=E2=9D. McLain told him they both threw the same ball off of the same mound so they were equals. He said the player that he respected the most was Hank Aaron. He said that very few people could have enduredwhat Hank went through in his career. He added that Rose is a really goodguy that loves his fans. He just got caught up in some stuff that was nottolerated because he thought he was Pete Rose and that it would be OK. Itwas interesting to hear McLain talk about having 40+ starts a year for several seasons and how the Tiger literally wore him out and threw him away like a piece of property. He finally tore his rotator cuff and they didn=E2=99t have surgery for it back then. But he said that he was very fortunate to have been associated with Major League Baseball and recognizes that he would not be where he is today without it. He said that he tries to getall of today=E2=99s players to recognize that they are nothing without the game. We need more guys with attitudes like that. I have added Denny to my favorite player list=E2=A6along with Pete. > Overall, another great show. Thanks Taylor & Kurt. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List > Posted by: "Mark Holland" > Reply via web post =E2=A2 Reply to sender =E2=A2 Replyto group =E2=A2 Start a New Topic =E2=A2 Messages in thistopic ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:36:47 -0400 To: Mark Holland , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh show handshake From: illini_grad_90 ================= To: OBC Ramblings , OBC National Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 20:53:32 -0500 Subject: PLEASE READ: OBC t-shirt big update From: Aaron Shirley Hey fellas. BIG UPDATE. PLEASE READ! Full ordering info is below. KEN MORGANTI will be delivering some of the shirts AT THE NATIONAL. This new development allows me to save quite a bit on shipping costs, and actuallyorder a few more shirts for future members. But let me be clear on a few things: 1) If your name is NOT on the ROSTER Sal Domino is publishing on the National server, I will assume you want yours mailed. You'll have to tell me otherwise. 2) All shirts mailed to Ken will be washed and dried with fragrance-free detergent and dryer sheets. If you DON'T want me to do that, just let me know. 3) I know this is a change from the original deal, so if you have ANY OBJECTION WHATSOEVER I can still mail yours separately. Please just let me know as soon as possible. The amount I save on shipping directly effects how many extra shirts I can order. So basically, the theme here is JUST LET ME KNOW. We have 67 shirts pre-ordered. Looking to hit 75. Or more! I have orders from Dan Angland, Jerry Barnes, Jake Brewer, Greg Conway, BobCorvello, Joe Denning, Richard Dingman, Sal Domino, Bob Donaldson, Kent Goto, John Gray, Ron Hoehne, Mark Holland, Tom Housley, Andy Huntoon, Doug DeJong, Mike Glasser, Richard Labs, Josh Levine, Brian Lindholme, Ray Luurs, Nate Mack, Gary Mandell, Ken Morganti, Nick Pelletier, Grant Rainsley, Bob Reed, Steve Rittenberg, Chuck Salek, Steve Sankner, Sean Schuettpelz, Sam Taylor, Jimi Thayer, Larry Tipton, Chris Tripler, Jay Tysver, T.J. Valacak, Mac Wubben, Matt Yudt. If your name is not on that list, YOU NEED TO EMAIL ME YOUR SHIRT SIZE AND COLOR! I need SHIRT SIZES from Jeff Delott and Ed Pike. I need funds from Joe Denning (mailing his) and Sean Schuettpelz. Thanks for reading Nothing below this is new info, but I'm putting it all out there again for those who still haven't ordered or have forgotten. Please be aware of the deadline: ORDERS & FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY MONDAY, JUNE 20TH. Easiest payment method is via PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com GET YOUR 2016 OBC T-SHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from an anonymous benevolent COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES ($9 shipped) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - Shirts are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton except safety orange which is 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We've just passed the 50 shirt mark. I've got my eye on us hitting 75 though! - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering additional shirts for future - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. - Payment by check or money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - ORDERS AND FUNDS MUST BE RECEIVED BY JUNE 20TH. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 23:56:22 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: The band plays on From: Ken M Good evening everyone,  Got to see my daughter's first dance recital tonight. She was the 5th act of about 40-50 acts, so it wasn't too painful. My parents came down from NH and took my sister to see her perform. I was impressed that she was able to follow along with the other dancers in her group. I must find out the teacher's secret to get a 5 year-old to follow any sort of directions. There must be some form of bribery or numerous treats involved if you ask me. We left a little over half way through the show after my niece did her performance.  Got home and put some envelopes together from the last two days waivers. I think everyone who put in a claim got a card from yesterday. Nothing was claimed after 1974, including any of the 79 OPC's, so I might as well start the set myself. Sixteen outbounds on ...well, Monday. Switching back to hockey, hoops and football tonight, no baseball. Ken M1955 Topps AAFB 941955B FB Ken MacAfee (scratch and win the number... or look it up for me) HOCKEY1979-80 OPC 81 81 163 (all expansion team cards)1979-80 Topps 156 230 BASKETBALL1969-70 Topps 32 421970-71 Topps 751971-72 Topps 2151978-79 Topps 80 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 23:13:39 -0500 Subject: Re: Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: "George Vrechek" I figured the man in the know, Rob Fitts, would give us the available info. Thanks Rob. It would be hard to top your book on the Japan tour (and the Berg rumors) for interesting reading. George Vrechek ================= To: "'George Vrechek'" , Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2016 21:44:28 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Interesting reading on Moe Berg From: "Grant Rainsley" Second George's vote.....Banzai Babe Ruth was a GREAT read! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, June 18, 2016 9:14 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Interesting reading on Moe Berg I figured the man in the know, Rob Fitts, would give us the available info. Thanks Rob. It would be hard to top your book on the Japan tour (and the Berg rumors) for interesting reading. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 06:33:07 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Raleigh Show Handshake From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Great show report and congrats on completing your set! ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 08:18:34 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Mac are you out there? From: Robert Fitts if you are around please email me rob fitts ================= To: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 08:41:09 -0500 Subject: Interesting Numbers From: "George Vrechek" For what it is worth - I keep track of the number of single cards I have. After 35 years of collecting as an adult, my vintage (pre-1981) cards finally exceed the number of modern cards I purchased in the 1981 to 1990 My numbers show that while modern cards make up 50% of the cards in my collection, they account for only about 1.3% of the value - enough to buy one PSA 7 card of some 1950s star. Mailing costs for some 1980s sets probably exceed their value. It is a Catch 22. I don't want to get rid of the modern cards for next to nothing, but they don't look like they'll ever be worth anything. I imagine many of us are in the same boat, still surrounded by a sea of the mass-produced modern cards, wondering what to do with them someday. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:17:25 -0400 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Numbers From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Content-Language: en I have many modern baseball cards. And yes, the cost of shipping is close to the selling value of the sets. Ever worth anything? I think they are baseball cards. So they are worth a lot. Kind of like my 14 year old dog. I couldn't sell her for anything. But, worth a lot. Dogs, baseball cards, and pictures of our children. and Fathers. I say keep em. They will all just sit there, but they are all pretty cool. A rare rambling response from: Randy Welk In a message dated 6/19/2016 6:42:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: For what it is worth =E2=93 I keep track of the number of single cards I After 35 years of collecting as an adult, my vintage (pre-1981) cards finally exceed the number of modern cards I purchased in the 1981 to 1990 era. My numbers show that while modern cards make up 50% of the cards in my collection, they account for only about 1.3% of the value =E2=93 enough to buy one PSA 7 card of some 1950s star. Mailing costs for some 1980s sets probably exceed their value. It is a Catch 22. I don=E2=99t want to get rid of the modern cards for next nothing, but they don=E2=99t look like they=E2=99ll ever be worth anything. imagine many of us are in the same boat, still surrounded by a sea of the mass-produced modern cards, wondering what to do with them someday. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 17:32:44 +0000 (UTC) To: "" , "" Subject: OBC HFD From: familytoad@comcast.net in OBC Land!
One of my personal favorite days, since I love being a Dad....and I usually get baseball cards from my family LOL!

Today we drove about 35 miles to a wonderful breakfast restaurant we enjoy. It's close to where my son works so we could gather before he had to get selling Fords.
My daughter and I will be hanging out together too...hopefully heading up to Mt St Helens for a hike after she wakes back up from her morning nap. The early breakfast  must have worn her out hahaha.

At the breakfast table, my wife handed me a box with a recognizable return address. She co-horted with Mark Macrae to acquire those aforementioned Father's Day cards!
Inside were the nicest stack of 1952 Topps that I now have. My1952's are usually pretty pounded, but these are really nice condition !
These were also 18 that I needed to lower my Topps WL quest.

That's a big chunk of my list at once ! WOW thanks Julie and Mark!
Less gremlins, dupes and other miscalculations, I am within122 cards of finishing the 1952-1980 run, familytoad version.

It's a great day!
OBC Forever,
Brian

Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= To: Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 13:24:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Numbers From: "George Vrechek" Randy is correct. I am reminded that I collect because I like to and not for any value other than sentimental value =E2=93 and there is some sentimentality since I put those early 80s sets together from wax boxes, plus I have about every variation you can imagine. George Vrechek From: mark zentkovich [mailto:mzentko@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 1:01 PM To: rjsfgmv@aol.com; vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Numbers good ramble, randy! mark z From: "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] " To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 19, 2016 12:17 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Numbers I have many modern baseball cards. And yes, the cost of shipping is close to the selling value of the sets. Ever worth anything? I think they are baseball cards. So they are worth a lot. Kind of like my 14 year old dog. I couldn't sell her for anything. But,worth a lot. Dogs, baseball cards, and pictures of our children. and Fathers. I say keepem. They will all just sit there, but they are all pretty cool. A rare rambling response from: Randy Welk In a message dated 6/19/2016 6:42:22 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com For what it is worth =E2=93 I keep track of the number of single cards Ihave. After 35 years of collecting as an adult, my vintage (pre-1981) cards finally exceed the number of modern cards I purchased in the 1981 to 1990era. My numbers show that while modern cards make up 50% of the cards in my collection, they account for only about 1.3% of the value =E2=93 enough to buy one PSA 7 card of some 1950s star. Mailing costs for some 1980s sets probably exceed their value. It is a Catch 22. I don=E2=99t want to get rid of the modern cards for next to nothing, but they don=E2=99t look like they=E2=99ll ever be worth anything. I imagine many of us are in the same boat, still surrounded by a sea of the mass-produced modern cards, wondering what to do with them someday. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:38:54 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Upcoming thanks and a sad month for me and my family From: Jerry Coker Hello ... I've been down in Georgia the past month or so caring for my father who was in the late stages of dementia and passed away a couple weeks ago. I spent a lot of time with my mother afterward, through the grieving process plus taking care of family business. My father was a real gentleman and the person that introduced me to baseball and music through his love of both (he was a very good jazz pianist). And the best Dad anyone could ever have. He will be deeply missed ... but luckily ... as a family we have a lotof great memories to share. Anyway ... I arrived back home in Vermont lastnight to some OBC envelopes and I wanted to let those who sent me RAOK's the past month know that I appreciate the incomings and will be posting proper thanks soon. Also ... I wanted to pass along to anyone else that has a family member with dementia the importance of planning ahead. Way ahead. It is a terrible disease that creates major challenges for the person with dementia, and their family. Physical, mental AND financial. I wish my family had planned and prepared better when my Dad was first diagnosed. The later stages of this disease are extremely challenging. Anyway ... just thought I would share. I hope everyone in OBCland enjoys what is left of their weekend. Thank you. Jerry.Jerry Coker ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 18:07:59 -0400 To: Jerry Coker Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Upcoming thanks and a sad month for me and my family From: "Thomas W. Billing" Thanks for sharing and condolences on your loss. I remember a Jerry Coker who ran a jazz band clinic at Indiana U. about 1967 and I have a autographed copy of his book. Any relation? He was a top notch Tom Billing > On Jun 19, 2016, at 3:38 PM, Jerry Coker obcbeatle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hello ... I've been down in Georgia the past month or so caring for my father who was in the late stages of dementia and passed away a couple weeks ago. I spent a lot of time with my mother afterward, through the grieving process plus taking care of family business. My father was a real gentleman and the person that introduced me to baseball and music through his love ofboth (he was a very good jazz pianist). And the best Dad anyone could everhave. He will be deeply missed ... but luckily ... as a family we have a lot of great memories to share. Anyway ... I arrived back home in Vermont last night to some OBC envelopes and I wanted to let those who sent me RAOK'sthe past month know that I appreciate the incomings and will be posting proper thanks soon. Also ... I wanted to pass along to anyone else that has afamily member with dementia the importance of planning ahead. Way ahead. It is a terrible disease that creates major challenges for the person with dementia, and their family. Physical, mental AND financial. I wish my familyhad planned and prepared better when my Dad was first diagnosed. The laterstages of this disease are extremely challenging. Anyway ... just thought I would share. I hope everyone in OBCland enjoys what is left of their weekend. Thank you. Jerry. > Jerry Coker ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 19:01:04 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Numbers From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:02:33 -0400 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Raleigh Show Handshake From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I once had a business meeting with Denny. A partner of mine and I were in discussions to do a venture with Denny. I was the one that said we should not do it, as much as it pained me. A few years later, he was indicted andconvicted in the Peet Packing embezzlement case. One of the few smart business decisions I have made in my career. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 19, 2016 6:33 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Raleigh Show Handshake Great show report and congrats on completing your set! ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:39:27 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Father's Day waivers From: Ken M Happy Father's Day to all!  In honor of my Dad, who taught me to make the best use of everything, tonight's waivers are "recycled". In case you missed them the first time or were too shy to claim them before, I'm offering these back up again to try to get them out of the house. I also have starter lots for 1976-1980 Topps baseball and 1977 or 1978 Topps football in case you haven't or want to start another set - most are from my own childhood collection. Don't forget your address! Ken MBASEBALL1947-66 Exhibits Dark(Braves)1960 Topps 15 45 53 79 112 162 187 213 2201961 Topps 20(3)1964 Topps 189 2741966 Topps 21967 Topps 46 83 2811968 Topps 721969 Topps poster 21969 Topps game 331969 Topps 19 29 29 57 91 92 136 334 3741970 Rold Gold 11970 Topps 18 22 24 30 38 59 94 102 105 112 127 161 180 269 277 330 443 5311971 Topps 4 8 55 55 94 95 99 129 155 176 204 210(3) 307 334 334 337 348 376 6161972 Topps 6 30 31 41 57 63 67 73 89 94 109 111 120 124 127 153 161 163 177 178 181 182 196 203 219 247 261 2931973 Topps 3 98 214 2541974 Topps red team CL*: Brewers Mets(2) Padres Phils Pirates Rangers Chisox(3) **: Brewers O's Rangers1974 Topps 1301976 Topps 1 3471977 Topps 4761978 Topps 20 72 173(5) 530 7041979 Topps 24 24 330 369(Tor) FOOTBALL1969 Topps 641973 Topps team CL Rams*(2) **: Browns Cards Giants Saints Vikings1974 Topps team CL Vikings* Steelers**(2)1976 Topps 29 31 41 42 42 99 120 120 169 278 278 493 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2016 23:54:32 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day CORRECTION From: Ken M In my haste to type this up, I incorrectly ID'ed the 1970 Topps poster of Phil Niekro as a 1969 (team) poster (which I've never owned one of any of them). Sorry for the typo, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Sun, Jun 19, 2016 11:39 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day waivers Happy Father's Day to all!  In honor of my Dad, who taught me to make the best use of everything, tonight's waivers are "recycled". In case you missed them the first time or were too shy to claim them before, I'm offering these back up again to try to get them out of the house. I also have starter lots for 1976-1980 Topps baseball and 1977 or 1978 Topps football in case you haven't or want to start another set - most are from my own childhood collection. Don't forget your address! Ken MBASEBALL1947-66 Exhibits Dark(Braves)1960 Topps 15 45 53 79 112 162 187 213 2201961 Topps 20(3)1964 Topps 189 2741966 Topps 21967 Topps 46 83 2811968 Topps 721969 Topps poster 21969 Topps game 331969 Topps 19 29 29 57 91 92 136 334 3741970 Rold Gold 11970 Topps 18 22 24 30 38 59 94 102 105 112 127 161 180 269 277 330 443 5311971 To pps 4 8 55 55 94 95 99 129 155 176 204 210(3) 307 334 334 337 348 376 6161972 Topps 6 30 31 41 57 63 67 73 89 94 109 111 120 124 127 153 161 163 177 178 181 182 196 203 219 247 261 2931973 Topps 3 98 214 2541974 Topps red team CL*: Brewers Mets(2) Padres Phils Pirates Rangers Chisox(3) **: Brewers O's Rangers1974 Topps 1301976 Topps 1 3471977 Topps 4761978 Topps 20 72 173(5) 530 7041979 Topps 24 24 330 369(Tor) FOOTBALL1969 Topps 641973 Topps team CL Rams*(2) **: Browns Cards Giants Saints Vikings1974 Topps team CL Vikings* Steelers**(2)1976 Topps 29 31 41 42 42 99 120 120 169 278 278 493 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 12:55:31 -0700 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: Waiver wires postponed From: Gary Beard I'll be heading out of town on Wednesday for a 3 week hiatus. I didn't post any waiver wires this past week, but I will resume my waiver wires upon my return. Keep an eye out, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 14:24:19 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 74 Venezuelan album From: Rick A few pictures of the latest Venezuelan album I bought and I got 7-60 cardsplus my first 1959. The 74's look like 68 topps and are glued just on the top and lift it up and a player bio underneath. The cover is a copy that hemade for me as he did for the last one I bought. Only missing 24 of the 275 stickers. I only had a couple of these stickers so they seem to be a little harder to get. He told me before I bought it its one of the hardest 70'ssticker albums to get. Next month I'm buying the 77/78 album big set with the mlb stickers in it. Pretty pricey was going to buy it this month instead of the 74/75 album but couldn't get enough money together after going to the wssca show. Ya that's my fat finger I know someone had a comment so I'll get it out of the way and we can move on. Rick ================= Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2016 18:14:04 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: 74 Venezuelan album From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Rick I enjoy seeing you post these pictures. I wonder if your connection isbuying all these cards and albums at garage sales or markets for pennies, and then making a good profit selling on eBay. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 00:55:49 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Falling Leaf From: Ken M Hi gang,   Short note tonight and even shorter waiver wire. I was going to just roll over and go back to sleep, but realized... "What if someone is up late waiting for the nightly waiver wire to be posted?" Well, I don't presume to be some kind of grand event or spectacle - but just in case you ARE waiting up, hopefully this'll be worth it. Tonight's waivers come from one of the two half difficult Leaf sets. By half difficult, I mean that out of the two major sets produced by Leaf (1948-49 and 1960), both sets were half SP's and half were relatively easy to find. Tonight we have some high numbers from the 1960 set very scarce compared to the low numbers you'll find if you've ever had the displeasure to try to collect the set. Nothing compared to the nearly impossible SP's from the older set I mentioned though. This set is the one you can credit (or blame) me for bringing my one OBC recruit into the group: Mike Rich. We got into an email (and later phone) conversation after Mike had contacted me after bidding on an auction of Leaf high numbers - back when eBay allowed you to do so... and the rest is, as they say, history. Sorry, no low numbers in this group (opposite of what you'll hear from most dealers at a show or shop) Ken M1960 Leaf 74* 81* 87 114** 119 126 139* 140*wrting on back **trimmed Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 06:40:28 -0400 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Falling Leaf From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Is that how we met? I do recall we met by e-mail after Ebay bidding on something. The group can blame you for recruiting me to OBC. The ironic partof us meeting via Ebay, is that I have only won about 115 lots on Ebay since discovering it 20 years ago. I rarely check it out, and when I do, it is for Coke caps. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 12:55 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Falling Leaf Hi gang, Short note tonight and even shorter waiver wire. I was going to just roll over and go back to sleep, but realized... "What if someone is up late waiting for the nightly waiver wire to be posted?" Well, I don't presume to be some kind of grand event or spectacle - but just in case you ARE waiting up, hopefully this'll be worth it. Tonight's waivers come from one of the two half difficult Leaf sets. By half difficult, I mean that out of the two major sets produced by Leaf (1948-49 and 1960), both sets were half SP's and half were relatively easy to find. Tonight we have some high numbers fromthe 1960 set very scarce compared to the low numbers you'll find if you'veever had the displeasure to try to collect the set. Nothing compared to the nearly impossible SP's from the older set I mentioned though. This set isthe o ne you can credit (or blame) me for bringing my one OBC recruit intothe group: Mike Rich. We got into an email (and later phone) conversation after Mike had contacted me after bidding on an auction of Leaf high numbers - back when eBay allowed you to do so... and the rest is, as they say, history. Sorry, no low numbers in this group (opposite of what you'll hear from most dealers at a show or shop) Ken M 1960 Leaf 74* 81* 87 114** 119 126 139* 140 *wrting on back **trimmed Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 21 Jun 2016 06:22:25 -0700 To: Subject: Mike's Baseball Tour blog updated From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:39:08 -0400 Subject: reprints? From: Shawn Smart Are all these guys beater cards reprints? http://www.ebay.com/usr/nemo19781984?_trksidp2047675.l2559 ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 10:52:17 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] reprints? From: Ken M Shawn,  Hard to be sure, but that 56 Mantle doesn't even look like it's the right size, never mind that the back is exceptionally white for that issue. I would discount the others from being authentic for that reason. They all appear to be "aged" in the same fashion. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 10:40 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] reprints? Are all these guys beater cards reprints? http://www.ebay.com/usr/nemo19781984?_trksid=p2047675.l2559 ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 14:06:58 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC R welk is trippin and needs help please read From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Here is my thing.... I am going on a trip across country the end of July. I am driving with my wife from Fresno, CA to the Atlantic ocean then back to the Pacific ocean and then back home. All in 15 days. I am not sure why. I was hoping you could tell me some ideas of what I may want to stop by at. I will be driving from in this order roughly Fresno to Spokane, WA to Rapid City to Chicago to Hamilton or Toronto to Niagara Falls to BB Hof fame probably (been there 7 times but might need to see Christy Mathewson's checker set again) to The National then back not sure how. A little north again. Middle, a little south.? I have taken many trips and been to about 40 major league ballparks and about 80 Hall of Fame. There are some really obscure ones. Been to all the big cities a few times. I am looking for any Hall of Fame. Any obscure ones near you? I have never been to a good baseball card shop. Any you know of? Anything really cool and historical? Anything odd, cool, weird. Anything that I would say, it is 100 miles out of the way but what the heck, never been there and it was something? The trip back from the National is a problem. It seems like a bunch of miles of nothing. Anything really pretty? I could stop for ten minutes and have Alison look at some scenery. Or any road that is just a really nice drive. I need to drive across the country and back and hope someone can tell me where the heck to go. Thanks for reading and for any insight. Randy Welk ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 19:35:26 -0400 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Falling Leaf From: Mark Talbot Hello all, I thought I'd add into this thread of the stories of how he got involved inOBC. My story has an eBay connection as well as in the late 90s I was selling a few items here and there and sold a small lot of 1964 Topps to Bill Malson. He told me that he was going to be sending them off to friends in the training group. He didn't actually recruit me but he told me a little bit about OBC. So I looked into it and found that there was an application process and I submitted my application. Now you new guys may find this hard to believe but at that time there was a cap on membership and they were notexcepting new members at the time. Not sure really how the rest of this transpired but I connected up with Dan Austin and became a charter member ofVCT as both of us were awaiting membership into OBC. After establishing that trading group both of us were eventually admitted into OBC, of course Dan first because his application was prior to mine. After I got into OBC Mike Rich and I connected very shortly there after and strong friendship hasoccurred over the years. Unlike Mike I have probably thousands of eBay purchases since those early days around 2000. I have not sold anything since those days when I connected with Bill Malson. I try to maintain a strong relationship in both groups but it is hard because they are very much different. That is the topic about entirely different discussion. Nonetheless Ifelt like sharing this little story and I hope some of you found it amusing. Be well!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 21, 2016, at 6:40 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Is that how we met? I do recall we met by e-mail after Ebay bidding on something. The group can blame you for recruiting me to OBC. The ironic part of us meeting via Ebay, is that I have only won about 115 lots on Ebay since discovering it 20 years ago. I rarely check it out, and when I do, itis for Coke caps. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 12:55 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Falling Leaf > Hi gang, > Short note tonight and even shorter waiver wire. I was going to just roll over and go back to sleep, but realized... "What if someone is up late waiting for the nightly waiver wire to be posted?" Well, I don't presume tobe some kind of grand event or spectacle - but just in case you ARE waiting up, hopefully this'll be worth it. Tonight's waivers come from one of thetwo half difficult Leaf sets. By half difficult, I mean that out of the two major sets produced by Leaf (1948-49 and 1960), both sets were half SP's and half were relatively easy to find. Tonight we have some high numbers from the 1960 set very scarce compared to the low numbers you'll find if you've ever had the displeasure to try to collect the set. Nothing compared to the nearly impossible SP's from the older set I mentioned though. This set is the o ne you can credit (or blame) me for bringing my one OBC recruit into the group: Mike Rich. We got into an email (and later phone) conversation after Mike had contacted me after bidding on an auction of Leaf high numbers - back when eBay allowed you to do so... and the rest is, as they say, history. Sorry, no low numbers in this group (opposite of what you'll hear from most dealers at a show or shop) > Ken M > 1960 Leaf 74* 81* 87 114** 119 126 139* 140 > *wrting on back **trimmed > Sent from my not so smart phone. > /div> ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 22:24:59 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Dusting off another box From: Ken M Hi gang,  Spent last night and most of today with the kids. As soon as we drove away from picking them up, I had to listen to them tell me how much they miss Mama and wanted to call Mama and be with Mama and when are we going back to Mama's house. (This, after hardly seeing them all last week and not at all on Father's Day). Dropped them off tonight and it's, "I wanna stay with Daddy!" :::groan::: Replay coming Friday.   I was surprised there weren't more responses to the 1960 Leaf high numbers. A couple of you may get two in the next batch of outbounds. Since I've pretty much exhausted my main dupes box, I dusted off a different box of junk tonight. This one has some odds and ends that have been sitting around here for a long time. It's a small, but diverse selection. I even found some stuff to help my own sets, as I'll be expanding my hockey lists soon. I had to do a google search for the Alou stamp. I thought it was a Dell stamp, but found out otherwise. Enjoy, Ken MBASEBALL1953 Topps 2101969 MLB photostamp (#110?) F. Alou BASKETBALL1971-72 Topps 6 2331972-73 74(auto'd - I can't guarantee it's authenticity, but I have no reason to believe otherwise. It's been here for a good 30 years+)1973-74 Topps 10 90 153 FOOTBALL1971 Topps game 11 14 34 45 521974 Topps team CL Cardinals* HOCKEY1972-73 Topps 61973-74 Topps 32 82 1681974-75 Topps 64 91 168 1831975-76 Topps 3 47 51 156 196 217 219 291 295 315 328Tonight's starter set is 1976-77 hockey. Send a list or claim a starter lot (mostly commons I'd imagine) Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 23:40:04 -0400 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC R welk is trippin and needs help please From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I will be happy to share my findings with you in person when I see you on July 9th. That said, if you are going to Chicago, I found AU Sports to be an excellent card store. Obviously if you are going through Canada, do not forget your passports, as they are required (there are expanded driver'slicenses that can qualify). If you can detour to Toronto (Hamilton would be the more direct route to cross back into NY), there is the Hockey HOF. Upstate New York also has the Boxing HOF, although I have not been there. A few hours due east of the BB HOF is the Basketball HOF in Springfield, MA. If you are heading through the middle of the country on the way back, the FB HOF is in Canton, OH. If you are going from Rapid City, SD to Chicago, you will come very close to Clear Lake, IA, where Rock & Roll went to die and also the Field of Dreams Movie Site in Dyersville, IA. Only a true BB fanatic can enjoy Field of Dreams, as it is just an empty BB diamond in the middle of nowhere. I therefore, loved it! If driving from Chicago to Hamilton or Toronto, you will pass very closeto Mark Talbot's. You may go through Port Huron, MI/Sarnia, Ontario, should be equidistant, and then Ron Perry may be able to meet up with you also. Not far from Atlantic City is Philadelphia. I found Constitutional Halland the Liberty Bell worthwhile when I went there. I give you credit to do coast to coast in 15 days. Much more driving per day for you, than what I am doing. Mine is more leisurely over 72 days. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC R welk is trippin and needs help please read Here is my thing.... I am going on a trip across country the end of July. I am driving with my wife from Fresno, CA to the Atlantic ocean then back to the Pacific ocean and then back home. All in 15 days. I am not sure why. I was hoping you could tell me some ideas of what I may want to stop by at. I will be driving from in this order roughly Fresno to Spokane, WA to Rapid City to Chicago to Hamilton or Toronto to Niagara Falls to BB Hof fame probably (been there 7 times but might need to see Christy Mathewson's checker set again) to The National then back not sure how. A little north again. Middle, a little south.? I have taken many trips and been to about 40 major league ballparks and about 80 Hall of Fame. There are some really obscure ones. Been to all the bigcities a few times. I am looking for any Hall of Fame. Any obscure ones near you? I have never been to a good baseball card shop. Any you know of? Anything really cool and historical? Anything odd, cool, weird. Anything that I would say, it is 100 miles out of the way but what the heck, never been there and it was something? The trip back from the National is a problem. It seems like a bunch of miles of nothing. Anything really pretty? I could stop for ten minutes and have Alison look at some scenery. Or any road that is just a really nice drive. I need to drive across the country and back and hope someone can tell me where the heck to go. Thanks for reading and for any insight. Randy Welk ================= Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2016 22:57:24 -0500 To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC R welk is trippin and needs help please read From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 00:55:27 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] reprints? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm with Ken. He has the 69 Mantle white letter and Carew rookie. The paper looks all wrong. Most of the old cards show more fiber than chipping when they are cut, damaged, whatever. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/21/2016 10:52:31 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hard to be sure, but that 56 Mantle doesn't even look like it's the right size, never mind that the back is exceptionally white for that issue. I would discount the others from being authentic for that reason. They all appear to be "aged" in the same fashion. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: Shawn Smart_ shawnsmart@hotmail.com_ (mailto:%20shawnsmart@hotmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jun 21, 2016 10:40 AM To: _obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] reprints? Are all these guys beater cards reprints? _http://www.ebay.com/usr/nemo19781984?_trksidp2047675.l2559_ (http://www.ebay.com/usr/nemo19781984?_t rksidp2047675.l2559) ================= To: Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 07:31:42 -0500 Subject: Re: reprints? From: "George Vrechek" I would be wary of anyone who repeatedly spells "wear" as "ware" to describe the condition of his cards. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 21:58:49 -0400 To: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Yet Another Request From: smartalecx@aol.com Hi Guys Taking a moment off the campaign trail to say hello,and to thank those of you who helped us with a contribution. We are making great strides in our campaign, and the impossible dream isn't so impossible anymore. The closest I come to baseball cards these days is when I am campaigning at the neighborhood garage sales and someone has some UV junk for sale at outrageous prices. I check in on the Cubbies, but only getting to 3 games this year (until the playoffs, that is). Anyway, I have been advised by my campaign crew that I should try to get more "likes" for my facebook page and "followers" for my twitter page. I would be lying if I told you I knew much more than that, but I hear it is supposed to scare my opponent into thinking I have friends. In any case, if you care to take a look, here are the links: https://www.facebook.com/mandellforstaterep (click like) https://twitter.com/mandelldist11 (click follow) _www.mandellforstaterep.com_ (http://www.mandellforstaterep.com) (just If you don't find anything on there too objectionable, I would appreciate a like and/or follow (I have now spilled 100% of my social media knowledge) Thanks again for the help, and hope everyone has a great 4th of July! Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 23:30:38 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: What day is it? From: Ken M Hump day! Shut up, camel. It's waiver wire Wednesday! Pretty uneventful day for me, so let's skip the ramble and get right to it, shall we? Another small, but varied assortment tonight. Enjoy, Ken M HOOPS1972-73 Topps 781973-74 Topps 98 FOOTBALL1954 Bowman 88(sp)St. Louis Cardinals mini card album #14 of 26 (forget the year 1969?) HOCKEY1977-78 Topps glossy 5 6 10 14 15 18 19 21(all one *) BASEBALL1962 Topps stamp panel Bilko/Sievers1969 OPC 621970 Topps scratch off Spencer1971 Topps scratch off Wynn1972 Kellogg's 461975 Topps mini 46 344 358 4671979 Topps 115Tonight's starter set is 1980 Topps football. Send a list or claim a starter lot. Yesterday's hockey card starter lot got split three ways with 35-70 cards each. Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 00:47:12 -0400 To: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Rookie Mistake From: smartalecx@aol.com As a follow up to my earlier request, and a testament to how little I know about this stuff, apparently, when you go to my Facebook page, you need to like the page and not a photo or a link. There should be a "Like"button near the banner photo of my across top of the first page. This is the preferred like, and not the individual postings and photos down the center of the In any case, if you care to take a look, here are the links: https://www.facebook.com/mandellforstaterep (click like) Thankfully, these elections are only once every two years! Sorry for the intrusion. Thanks again, Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 20:03:26 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Trivia Contest From: chris tripler To make up for my mis-numbering error last week of the Sandy Koufax...I present...the Trivia Game... Mark Zentkovich sends another trivia card...this time the first to answer the most questions correctly from the card wins the whole lot...remember, nocheating... 1953T #51 FranK Campos1956T #148 Alvin Dark (white back)1957T #177 Eddie Yost1958T #158 Cleveland Indians TC (marked)1958T #481 Frank Malzone AS1961T #30 Nellie Fox1968T #350 Hoyt Wilhelm1969T #424 Pete Rose AS1971T #45 Jim Hunter, #206 3rd Series CL, unmarked EX, 350 Billy Williams1973T Team Cards,Unmarked & in good condition, Astros '**', Brewers '*', Twins '*'1978T #540 Steve Carlton1979T #417 All-Time Record Holder SO Nolan Ryan/Walter Johnson1979OPC lot #s 60, 86, 135, 152, 165, 214, 244, 245, 308, 363 NOW, the trivia game...1) What was LaSalle guard & pro basketballer Roland Taylor nicknamed?2) Who was the last of the Super Bowl-winning Green Bay Packers to retire?3) What New York Islanders star scored 17 goals and earned 18 assists for the NHL playoff record 35 points in 1981?4) Which of Al, Dick, and Frank McGuire has been inducted into the Hall of Fame?5) Who succeeded Stan Musial as the regular left fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals?6) How many feet tall was 1962 Libyan team cager Suleiman Ali Nashnush, the tallest Good Luck!!! Last sending before I take off for vaca for awhile...Enjoy, OBC. TripOBC '15 ================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 01:17:16 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Thanks and waivers From: Ken M Hi gang,  Met up with a few people from high school tonight. It's already shaping up to be a very short night for sleeping, so I'll make this very brief.   Thanks go out to JOHN DAHMS and RANDY WELK. RANDY sends a few 1980 Fleer Famous Feats stickers. (At least that's what we both think they are.) They were from the set I'm collecting anyway. THANKS RANDY!!   JOHN DAHMS sends a 1975 Hostess SCP of John Ellis, which inspired me to put names with the numbers on my list. THANKS JOHN!!  Tonights waivers are all hockey.Hope you can find a hit to your list. Clain away! Ken M HOCKEY1977-78 Topps 2 6 15 45 65 82 129 139 148 181 184 192 198 205 207 225 234 239 240 241 254 2641978 -79 Topps 24 50 95 116 130 22 212 215 2361979-80 Topps 2 35 39 50 79 85 90 90 125 135 143 144 145 146 160 161 162(4) 168 173 180 182 185(2) 220(2) 225 230 238 230 244 363 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2016 10:41:59 -0400 To: VCT , Subject: Vacation time! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Tomorrow I'm headed out of town with the family on vacation for a few days.I'm going to try and wrap up some loose ends today, but I may not get to everyone until we get back late next week. We'll be in a cabin with no Wifi, so no communication for awhile! Enjoy your week without me! ;) Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 00:09:42 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Everything is Awesome From: Ken M Hi gang,   Tonight's DVD with the kids was "The Lego Movie", so that song is stuck in my head (and if you've seen the movie, yours too now).  I fogot to mention that I've added some hockey sets to my list - late 60's/early 70's sets that I thought I had finished. I've recently been putting my hockey sets into pages and binders and came to the realization that I had never started them. I had about a dozen cards from my dupes box that have been claimed on waivers by myself, but the lists are very easy to hit. I also added the glossy insert sets with variations. I had some paypal money burning a hole in my virtual pocket and bought a couple eBay lots on those, so hold off on sending any glossies for a couple more days.  Tonight's waivers are from a set I was reluctant to post or send out too much as RAOK's. Not because they're expensive or hard to find, but more because I was obsessed with the set - and still am to some extent, even though I only need 4 cards to complete it (THAT I KNOW OF). For those of you unfamiliar with it, 1971 Kellogg's was the only Kellogg's set that was not offered for sale by the company. Therefore, you had to buy boxes and boxes to finish the 75 card base set. Then, each card comes with or without the ©1970 line on the back. Add to THAT a host of statistical variations and you have an OCD person's nightmare 200+ card master set. These are offered in two piles: with and without copyright. If you're sick beyond hope like me and need stat variations, let me know, although I don't recall if I had more than one or two. I do have a couple of cards with the Angels crest logos though. (I still have that DS starter lot if you're impatient as well.) There is a lot of duplication here. Munch away! Ken M1971 Kellogg's (no ©) 3 3 7 7 11 16 16 22 22 22 31 38 48 48 48 54 54 54 61 61 61 74 741971 Kellogg's (w/©1970) 7 11 11 15 16 16 19 19 19 25(5) Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 00:59:37 -0400 To: OBC ramblings Subject: National roster From: ShoelessWes Can someone forward me the latest national roster? Thanks Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "OBC-National@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 17:32:11 -0400 Subject: Parking From: richard dingman Regarding the week of the National, does anyone know - How much it costs to park at the convention center? I am assuming it is ridiculously Where else nearby (within 10 blocks or so) can one park cheaply and safely,and how to go about reserving any spaces? I am having a lot of trouble getting this information...anything will help. Richard D To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 00:15:47 -0400 Subject: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.1 Well we are officially 8 weeks away from the National. Time to book some rooms, maybe a flight, and sort out your want lists. Keep in mind, the new goal of 75 OBC T-Shirts. If you haven't ordered yours yet, send that money over to Aaron. These things cost less than most of the cards on our want list. Note, if you are seen wearing one in Atlantic City,most likely you are going to make back the price of the shirts in cardboard being thrown at you (only because you were recognized as a member of OBC, in thatcool shirt and hat!). So here is the latest roster. Please send me any blank spots info next to your name. Oh if you aren't sure, yes YOUR name should be on this list. We usually do a team dinner on Thursday night. We are going to have to research where we are going to eat. Ken is real good at finding a spot for the swap. Game is not looking good, unless Ken wants to drive an hour to see the Phils with me Tuesday. Cell Phone Tues Game Swap Session Days There Clarion In & Suites Absecon Clarion In & Suites Absecon Tri Way Motel Fantasea Resorts OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-National@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 17:35:28 -0400 Subject: National room layout From: richard dingman Unlike all of the other Nationals I have been to, the AC convention center does not seem to want to give a layout of their convention space with numbered booths shown along with entrances, restrooms, etc, for our upcoming event, even though it is only a few weeks away. Has anyone else found this info? Richard D To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 00:15:47 -0400 Subject: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.1 Well we are officially 8 weeks away from the National. Time to book some rooms, maybe a flight, and sort out your want lists. Keep in mind, the new goal of 75 OBC T-Shirts. If you haven't ordered yours yet, send that money over to Aaron. These things cost less than most of the cards on our want list. Note, if you are seen wearing one in Atlantic City,most likely you are going to make back the price of the shirts in cardboard being thrown at you (only because you were recognized as a member of OBC, in thatcool shirt and hat!). So here is the latest roster. Please send me any blank spots info next to your name. Oh if you aren't sure, yes YOUR name should be on this list. We usually do a team dinner on Thursday night. We are going to have to research where we are going to eat. Ken is real good at finding a spot for the swap. Game is not looking good, unless Ken wants to drive an hour to see the Phils with me Tuesday. Cell Phone Tues Game Swap Session Days There Clarion In & Suites Absecon Clarion In & Suites Absecon Tri Way Motel Fantasea Resorts OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-NATIONAL@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 01:30:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] Parking From: Taylor Schock If you have a smart phone there is an app called Best Parking that gives rates. I will probably scout it out either Monday or Tuesday when I'm there. From: OBC-NATIONAL@yahoogroups.com on behalfof richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-NATIONAL] Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2016 5:32 PM To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-NATIONAL] Parking Regarding the week of the National, does anyone know - How much it costs to park at the convention center? I am assuming it is ridiculously Where else nearby (within 10 blocks or so) can one park cheaply and safely,and how to go about reserving any spaces? I am having a lot of trouble getting this information...anything will help. Richard D To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2016 00:15:47 -0400 Subject: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.1 Well we are officially 8 weeks away from the National. Time to book some rooms, maybe a flight, and sort out your want lists. Keep in mind, the new goal of 75 OBC T-Shirts. If you haven't ordered yoursyet, send that money over to Aaron. These things cost less than most of the cards on our want list. Note, if you are seen wearing one in Atlantic City, most likely you are going to make back the price of the shirts in cardboard being thrown at you (only because you were recognized as a member of OBC, in that cool shirt and hat!). So here is the latest roster. Please send me any blank spots info next to your name. Oh if you aren't sure, yes YOUR name should be on this list. We usually do a team dinner on Thursday night. We are going to have to researchwhere we are going to eat. Ken is real good at finding a spot for the swap. Game is not looking good, unless Ken wants to drive an hour to see the Phils with me Tuesday. Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Y Tu-Su Joe Adriance 703-405-0483 W-Sa Jerry Barnes 937-673-0694 F-Su Jeff Delott Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Y Tu-Su Bob Donaldson Rob Fitts Th-F Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Andy Huntoon 707-321-3441 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Peter Mead 202-253-5018 Sat Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Tri Way Motel Y M-M Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Tu-Su Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Y F-Su Steve Sankner Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Fantasea Resorts No Y Su-Su Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 F-Su Chris Tripler 860-921-7843 Sat Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 02:17:50 +0000 Subject: And now for something completely different... desktop computers From: Taylor Schock I hope posting this here is OK. I recently came into a number of desktop computers at OBC prices (but not OBC condition) that I can pass along if anyone is interested. OK, they aren't the latest laptops or IPads or all that new-fangled stuff, but they are good machines for the basic usage. I am using one that I've had for 10 years right now to type this up, as opposed to my laptop for work, which has had 2 hard drives crash already. The machines vary in hard disk size (from about 110 GB to 250 GB). I believe all of them are running Windows XP SP3 (what I've seen so far). Some haveMS Office and other software as well, though some have just the basic OS. So there are various configurations and will be priced accordingly, probably in the $20-$40 range, depending. The price is JUST for the desktop machine itself. Sorry, no keyboards or mice included (they were shared), but you can pick these up at goodwill-type stores for a few bucks. Monitors are NOT included either, but I will have afew available separately (they were shared as well). The monitors I have are all flat panel and variable in size too. Probably looking at $15-$30 on these, depending on size/resolution. I'm still working through all of the stuff and checking it out. I'm posting to the National server since I'm driving and can bring any withme (if you want one and are driving too). I can ship them as well, though I'll have to charge shipping cost. While they are definitely not gaming systems, they are good for basic everyday use. The machines will be scanned and virus free and I'll provide a 90-day moneyback warranty on the machines and any monitors. If you have any questions,or might have any interest at all, just let me know. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 00:04:00 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: The big day has arrived! From: Ken M (Ed Hutchinson has a big day today too :-) Congrats!)Hi gang,  June 25th, 1996 (to the best of my recollection) I got an e-mail from Larry Tipton, welcoming me into a tight knit group of about 50 people. Being a newbie, I still hadn't come around on trading for these 'tipton' cards, but I'd like to think I dove right in as far as sending them out.   **pulls out his 20 card OBC set from 1997** Wow, let's list the guys in this set and take a few people back in time: Terry Woods, Bob Neill, Guru, (me), Josh Levine, Bill Ebbing, Jim Montgomery, Rick Ellison, Doug Smith, George Moore, John Ball, Mike McGrail, Robbie Moore, Marshall West, Mike Czape, Howard Morgan, Paul Overby, John Jackson, Tom Williams, and Tom Curtis. I left out the nicknames and I could probably tell a story about almost every one of those guys... my first real "trade" (and one of my last TBH) with John Jackson, meeting up with about half of those guys over the years in Ft. Washington, Vegas and the National s.  Plus there's others not in the set like Joe Cerullo and Eric Vaituzis - the 1st two I ever met up with. Joe Greco, who would host me whenever I'd drive down to the Philly show - three or sometimes four times a year. Excuse me while I look for the first directory I printed out on my Mac (running AOL 2.6 on a 56k dialup connection)... Found it! Here's a few more names from the Wayback Machine: Bob Corvello, Al Cummings, Doug DeJong, Wayne Delia, Sal Domino, Joel Emrick, Bob Farrell, Joel Glickman, Kent Goto, Bruce Gregory, Mike Hair, George Hay, Dave Hornish, Todd Knowles, Kevin Lohse, Ron Perry, George Pizzo, Mark Shelton, Geno Wagner and Jim Wiehe. Again, more stories and fond memories that I could write a book about. Hmm... The back of my OBC card says I've been a member since JULY of 1996. Must be an uncorrected error :-D  When I joined the group, I had complete sets back to 1970 (I needed just a few from 1971 and a 1970 Ryan or vice versa). I had started the 1960 an d 1961 sets almost as a joke to myself, never expecting to come close to finshing them. I traded away most of my 52's and 53's when I joined - there was no way I was even going to bother to START those sets, that's just silliness. Here it is, 20 short years later and I'm the proud owner of a very extensive, low grade collection. A huge thank you to everyone who's been a part of it through sending cards, sharing their knowledge and otherwise opening doors in the hobby that I never knew were even there. Thanks for making this group the best collection of characters on the internet. Now before I get all mushy...   If you've read this far - or even if you just glossed over a bunch of names of guys you've never heard of, you deserve some cards. These have been sitting in my dupes box waiting to be set killers and some are just there to spice up an otherwise unnoteworthy package - a little 'wow factor' if you'll allow. I figured today was a good day to put a little extra zing in to the waiver wire. If you're close on a set and need one of these, please let me know. Addresses are strongly encouraged. Happy anniversary! Ken MFOOTBALL1962 Topps 70 Gregg1970 Topps 90 O.J. RC1978 Topps 177 Largent RC BASEBALL1950 Bowman(NO ©) 198 211 2281956 Topps 200 Feller 299 Neal sp1959 Topps 528 Pirates1961 Topps 563 Cerv1962 Topps 132 Angels (floating heads green tint) 139 Reniff(pitching) 139 Reniff(misnumbered)1964 Topps 468 Perry1971 Topps 576 6591972 Topps 760(2) Maz Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 03:30:23 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.4 From: ChicoD1@aol.com OK Boys, Time is getting closer...5 weeks away. Time to make those hotel reservations and to fill in the blanks. I imagine that with Ken and I as early arrivals, we will be looking into the place for the swap at our respective hotels. Ken will be carrying some of the OBC shirts for the attendees that ordere d. We have to find out about the parking. I expect that we will coordinate Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Comfort Inn AC North Y Tu-Su Joe Adriance 703-405-0483 W-Sa Jerry Barnes 937-673-0694 Tri Way Motel Y F-Su Jeff Delott Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Roadway Inn Parkway Absecon No Y Tu-Su Bob Donaldson Rob Fitts Th-F Joel Freedman 978-621-2180 Y Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Th-Su Andy Huntoon 707-321-3441 Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y W-Su Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Y F-Sa Peter Mead 202-253-5018 Sat Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Tri Way Motel Y M-M Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Clarion In & Suites Absecon Y Tu-Su Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Y F-Su Steve Sankner Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Fantasea Resorts No Y Su-Su Ed Schott Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Tri Way Motel Y F-Su Chris Tripler 860-921-7843 Sat Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 11:43:09 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Contest Winner & Vintage Question From: chris tripler Settling into the lodgings in NW Connecticut as I prepare to teach a summercamp for the next three weeks. So, I'm away from the collection, and books, and supplies, and a couple other essentials...I digress. So, my attempt at entertainment with a big prize was a fail, but Bob Donaldson and Peter Mead answered the call. The questions and answers were:1) What was LaSalle guard & pro basketballer Roland Taylor nicknamed? FATTY2) Who was the last of the Super Bowl-winning Green Bay Packers to retire?(don't know, and I don't have the card in front of me, sorry gang, plus the question was asked before the Favre led team started to retire...so sort of unfair question).3) What New York Islanders star scored 17 goals and earned 18 assists for the NHL playoff record 35 points in 1981?Mike BOSSY4) Which of Al, Dick, and Frank McGuire has been inducted into the Hall of Fame?FRANK5) Who succeeded Stan Musial as the regular left fielder for the St. Louis Cardinals?Lou Brock6) How many feet tall was 1962 Libyan team cager Suleiman Ali Nashnush, the tallest ever?8So, Bob Donaldson had the most correct answers, so he won the the prize pack...off into the mail it goes tomorrow. And next time, I'll keep the questions strictly vintage baseball... Now, for my question.so, I just did a big trade with Jimi Thayer (post about this coming), and I received a number of 1970s cards that are Team Cards with mail in options for the full sets. They are different from the no number TCs of 1973 & '74. They appear to be cut-outs but they are numbered and are clearly different from the regular set cards, is that right?How are these described (as in the catalogue, what would I find them under?)? Thank you for any help you can give me with these!!! ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 12:21:17 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Contest Winner & Vintage Question From: chris tripler Correction on contest. I called it a fail, which given that there were a couple members who participated...it clearly qualifies as a huge success!!! Jay Tysver answered my question about the Topps mail-in team cards from the'70s, fascinating stuff! Thanks everyone! ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 05:46:25 -0700 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Contest Winner & Vintage Question From: Stamper Share the answer. I'm interested. John Stamper On Jun 26, 2016, at 5:21 AM, "chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Correction on contest. I called it a fail, which given that there were a couple members who participated...it clearly qualifies as a huge success!!! > Jay Tysver answered my question about the Topps mail-in team cards from the '70s, fascinating stuff! > Thanks everyone! ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 09:35:00 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.4 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Good to see the numbers slowly increasing. I think we should share this with the show promoters in comparison to prior years. While there are a lot of things that go into who can attend the National, a 1/3 drop among die hard collectors such as OBC may be indicative of what a bad choice Atlantic City is for the show. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-National ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2016 3:30 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks V 1.4 OK Boys, Time is getting closer...5 weeks away. Time to make those hotel reservations and to fill in the blanks. I imagine that with Ken and I as early arrivals, we will be looking into the place for the swap at our respective hotels.Ken will be carrying some of the OBC shirts for the attendees that ordered. We have to find out about the parking. I expect that we will coordinate carpooling. Cell Phone Tues Game Swap Session Days There Comfort Inn AC North Tri Way Motel Roadway Inn Parkway Absecon Clarion In & Suites Absecon Clarion In & Suites Absecon Tri Way Motel Clarion In & Suites Absecon Fantasea Resorts Tri Way Motel Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 19:38:58 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Little League = All my extra time From: Jeffrey Whitworth Fellow OBCers, I'd like to again apologize for not being involved in card trading much as of late, but as always happens from Feb to Jun I have been overwhelmed withLittle League Baseball. Having just moved to the UK for a two year assignment as an exchange officer with the British Military of Defense, I thought that my kids and I would have to hang up youth baseball for a couple of years. Well, I was wrong. We found a wonderful Little League Organization in West London named the London Youth Baseball League. All three of my kids (Madison 12, Nathan 9, Owen 4) played on teams that I coached. The level of play was surprisingly high. Last weekend our organization's All Star teams played other leagues from around the UK in the UK Championships. I was the head coach of the Minors Team (8-9-10) and an assistant on the Majors Team (10-11-12). Both teams took their respective titles with the Majors now moving on to the European Championship in Kutno Poland. I've attached pictures of my Minors team and my son Nathan pitching and hitting. I was out earlier today throwing fastballs to our Majors team. 200 pitches in the 50-60 mph range doesn't do a 46 yearly body good. lol We don't have a good chance of success at the European Championships this year as our best 5 players are 11 year olds but we're going to give it our all. We howevershould be very good next season. If you have time please keep up with our progress onhttp://www.eteamz.com/llbeurope/. ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2016 17:40:28 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Little League = All my extra time From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Great report Jeff! ================= Date: 26 Jun 2016 17:25:07 -0700 To: Subject: 1977 Topps Football Waiver From: welfar03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 00:48:59 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Bottom of the barrel From: Ken M Hi gang,  It's getting tough to come up with decent waivers now. I'm pretty much down to mid/late 70's baseball. It was a long day at work and I'm still sorting through a few starter lots and previous claims. (I have about a half dozen piles that need to be packaged up.) I might have to skip a day to catch up, although I really want to do 30 days in a row... Well, here's a batch that could go unclaimed - at least I'm not overly optimistic. I hope I'm wrong though, Ken MBASEBALL1974 Topps 14 18 21 39 43 48 73 117 139 184 186 189 226 231 255 257 278 370 384 439 442 458 472 498 499 537 544 548 572 586 607 625 6321974 Topps Traded 23 42 62 63 73 139 269 313 330 390 496 516 534 538 585 648 6491975 Topps 37 89 102 118 166 258 283 353 417 417 439 487 498 544 589 603 619 626 6471976 Topps 501976 Topps Traded 27 28 44 58 74 80 158 208 296 383 411 497 527 554 618 Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 27 Jun 2016 07:51:53 -0700 To: Subject: Mike Rich Bucket List trip From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 21:57:17 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Facebook request from OBCers From: Glenn Codere I've received a Facebook friend request from Lynn Miller, under the name "Lynn Miller Miller". It may well be genuine, but I'm a bit wary of it as I'malready friends with Lynn. Not sure why he'd open a second account. I've sent Lynn an email to ask if its a straight request, but haven't heard back from him yet. There have been a lot of instances of Facebook accounts being hacked and false friend requests being sent out. I fear this might be an example of this. I see that a few of you have already "accepted" the request, but if I were you I'd delete it until we get confirmation from Lynn. If any of you havecontact details other than his OBC email address, it might be an idea to get in touch and ask him. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: Glenn Codere , OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 17:03:17 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Facebook request from OBCers From: Aaron Shirley I would bet my whole stack of 52 Topps it's a fake account. ================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:30:20 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Real? From: ChicoD1@aol.com What do you boys think? He has a few I'm looking at _http://www.ebay.com/itm/301991572750?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/301991572750?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 27 Jun 2016 17:36:03 -0700 To: Subject: Big Al From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:59:17 -0400 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Real? From: Bob Donaldson Looks ok to me On Monday, June 27, 2016, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > What do you boys think? He has a few I'm looking at > http://www.ebay.com/itm/301991572750?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2016 20:02:53 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Real? From: Jay Tysver Looks ok. Has a dot pattern which always matters. Jay Tysver > On Jun 27, 2016, at 7:30 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > What do you boys think? He has a few I'm looking at > http://www.ebay.com/itm/301991572750?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 00:02:21 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: USPS comes through... From: Ken M (Right through my package, that is)Hi gang,  I recently bought a trio of glossy hockey insert lots on eBay. The third of those arrived today - in a couple pieces. The padded mailer was torn in half (and tucked into the package of cards). It had dirt marks all over it like it had been run over by the mail truck. The small plastic box with the inserts was shattered, but fortunately was sealed in a plastic bag and taped. The inserts were also in a team bag inside the plastic box (which fell apart when I cut off the outer plastic layer). There were a few that got creased, but it didn't bother me. (They weren't listed as mint to start.) They were the OPC inserts, which I wasn't interested in anyway because I was going to give them away to you guys. The Topps part of the lot were a big help, since most of them were the ** versions I need most. Between the three lots, I started and completed the 1976-77 glossy set. I offer the dupes to you, plus the aforementioned OPC inserts. Just a couple more days before the dupes box runs dry. I'm not sure if it's worse having a full box and being inactive or having an empty box and being active. Guess I'll find out soon. Looks like I'll have a goal at The National to reload at least :-) Ken MHOCKEY1976-77 Topps glossy inserts(Note: most of these are the one* versions, but if you're doing the variations - my condolences for being as sick as I am - but LMK)4 4 5 6 7 7 8 9 9 10 11 16 17 17 19 19 20 21 21 21 221977-78 OPC glossy inserts(no * variations!)1 4 4 5(4) 6(3) 8 9 9 10 10 19(3) 201977-78 Topps glossy inserts 5* 19** Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 00:15:04 -0400 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] USPS comes through... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Why are you NOT doing the OPC photos??? -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2016 12:02 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] USPS comes through... (Right through my package, that is) Hi gang, I recently bought a trio of glossy hockey insert lots on eBay. The third of those arrived today - in a couple pieces. The padded mailer was torn in half (and tucked into the package of cards). It had dirt marks all over it like it had been run over by the mail truck. The small plastic box with theinserts was shattered, but fortunately was sealed in a plastic bag and taped. The inserts were also in a team bag inside the plastic box (which fell apart when I cut off the outer plastic layer). There were a few that got creased, but it didn't bother me. (They weren't listed as mint to start.) They were the OPC inserts, which I wasn't interested in anyway because I was going to give them a way to you guys. The Topps part of the lot were a big help, since most of them were the ** versions I need most. Between the threelots, I started and completed the 1976-77 glossy set. I offer the dupes toyou, plus the aforementioned OPC inserts. Just a couple more days before the dupes box runs dry. I'm not sure if it's worse having a full box and being inactive or having an empty box and being active. Guess I'll find out soon. Looks like I'll have a goal at The National to reload at least :-) Ken M 1976-77 Topps glossy inserts(Note: most of these are the one* versions, butif you're doing the variations - my condolences for being as sick as I am - but LMK) 4 4 5 6 7 7 8 9 9 10 11 16 17 17 19 19 20 21 21 21 22 1977-78 OPC glossy inserts(no * variations!) 1 4 4 5(4) 6(3) 8 9 9 10 10 19(3) 20 1977-78 Topps glossy inserts 5* 19** Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 00:30:12 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] USPS comes through... From: Ken M Mike,  There was too much duplication in the eBay lot, no Orr, and I don't have any of the OPC hockey cards that go with them. I reserve the right to regret my decision later :-) Ken M - if I ever get to a Toronto show in my lifetime, I'll probably buy the set in full then. Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: mikesportsfan@aol.comDate: Tue, Jun 28, 2016 12:15 AMTo: cardclctor@aol.com;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] USPS comes through... Why are you NOT doing the OPC photos??? -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Tue, Jun 28, 2016 12:02 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] USPS comes through...   (Right through my package, that is)Hi gang,  I recently bought a trio of glossy hockey insert lots on eBay. The third of those arrived today - in a couple pieces. The padded mailer was torn in half (and tucked into the package of cards). It had dirt marks all over it like it had been run over by the mail truck. The small plastic box with the inserts was shattered, but fortunately was sealed in a plastic bag and taped. The inserts were also in a team bag inside the plastic box (which fell apart when I cut off the outer plastic layer). There were a few that got creased, but it didn't bother me. (They weren't listed as mint to start.) They were the OPC inserts, which I wasn't interested in anyway because I was going to give them a way to you guys. The Topps part of the lot were a big help, since most of them were the ** versions I need most. Between the three lots, I started and completed the 1976-77 glossy set. I offer the dupes to you, plus the a forementioned OPC inserts. Just a couple more days before the dupes box runs dry. I'm not sure if it's worse having a full box and being inactive or having an empty box and being active. Guess I'll find out soon. Looks like I'll have a goal at The National to reload at least :-) Ken MHOCKEY1976-77 Topps glossy inserts(Note: most of these are the one* versions, but if you're doing the variations - my condolences for being as sick as I am - but LMK)4 4 5 6 7 7 8 9 9 10 11 16 17 17 19 19 20 21 21 21 221977-78 OPC glossy inserts(no * variations!)1 4 4 5(4) 6(3) 8 9 9 10 10 19(3) 201977-78 Topps glossy inserts 5* 19** Sent from my not so smart phone. Posted by: Ken M Reply via web post • Reply to sender • Reply to group • Start a New Topic • Messages in this topic (1) Have you tried the highest rated email app? With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? Now you can access all your inboxes (Gmail, Outlook, AOL and more) in one place. Never delete an email again with 10 00GB of free cloud storage. The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 15:23:09 -0400 Subject: set added - 1970 Topps Posters From: Shawn Smart 1970 TOPPS POSTERS - (NEED) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 19, 20, 21, 23, 24 Does anyone have a good method for storing these? I haven't measured them yet, but I am guessing they don't fit in standard binder sheets. Thanks for looking.=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: 28 Jun 2016 14:39:36 -0700 To: Subject: Clearing out my 1970s dupes. Day one: 1970 From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 19:07:04 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Big Al From: Yaz If you get to talk to him, ask him if he's going to Cooperstown for Griffey Jr.'s inauguration. Wade and I will be there and it would be nice to hook up. Greg (yaz) On 6/27/2016 7:36 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Has anyone been in touch with Al Cummings recently? The number in the > OBC directory is not a working number. I was hoping to see if he is > available to meet for lunch or dinner the next couple of days while I > am in Seattle. > Mike Rich > cell: 248-709-2235 ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 20:52:22 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Atlantic city Floor plan From: ChicoD1@aol.com Here is a PDF copy of the convention floor. Might want to zoom it up a Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:21:44 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, card-variations@yahoogroups.com Subject: Pull out your 67s... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Variation time? I was pulling some cards together and noticed #339 Chico Ruiz. On the top left there is a small white blotch that breaks the border and goes a bit into the sky. Almost looks like a rip in the card if you look fast. Anyone else have a version like this? I know the 73s get listed with border breaks, I was wondering if this is a known variation or unlisted or nothing at all. BUT, I will be keeping both in my set just in case :-)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:41:22 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: wwesmyster2@aol.com At this point, I'm not even sure where to begin. I feel dirty. I feel weird. I am very excited, I'm still in shock. I can't believe what I ran into the other day. Some of you may know, there exists an obscure oddball issue ofbaseball "card" issued by the Dayton Daily Newspaper in 1970. The M137 Dayton Daily News Bubble Gumless Cards were printed in black and white on newspaper stock during the 1970 season of baseball, which were hand cut from a page in the daily news. Turns out, it is believed by some that the 1971 paper may have still been printing the winter sports issues from the previous year. There are 160 cards in the baseball set, numbered 1 through 160 as printed on the "card." This does NOT count the variations. And yes, there ARE variations. Most of which are uncatalogued, and largely ambiguous. The exceptionbeing 2 known red ink All Star examples of unnumbered Bench and Perez, possibly commemorating the 1970 All Star game in Riverfront stadium in Cincinnati as it was just newly erected. These red ink variations are just about non Anyhow, until now, I have never seen any Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards inperson. Though I've very seldom seen photos on the internet, I just haven't been able to find any examples anywhere. This has always boggled me, living in Dayton. Heck, I have even run into an emergence of Kahn's Weiner cards in recent months and years. I have kept my eyes peeled for these gumless cards, or news clippings, or whatever they are, for 5 consecutive National card shows. Before I tell the story, I want to say I've learned so much from this spectacular club of gentlemen and scholars. I always enjoy scrutinizing other collectors' wantlists too. I remember early in my membership seeing the white whale Hank Aaron list of HOF collector Lynn Miller. One that stood out to me was the 1970 Dayton Daily News. I don't even think Lynn knewthe card number, or if there even was one. I'm not sure. But anyways, you get the idea that these things are rare, and consequently valuable. Probably not quite as valuable as, say 1949 Leaf SP's, but possibly just as rare. A few days ago, I researched some more of Bob Lemke's blogs and archival chatter and bull shit opinions posted on old cardboard forums. I learned there is evidence of a 360 total master set in all, including several major sports, and even golf. All of which are actually numbered, and bunched in accordance with sport. First with baseball, then football, etc.... So moving on, I went to this local card shop in Dayton. The guy saves me tipton mints and gives them to me for dirt cheap. He loves knowing there's people out there like us that love our beat up cards. Cards with character. We got to catching up, as I see him about once a month or so. We always share knowledge of cardboard complexities and site our references accordingly. He's about 9 years older than I am, so his first hand knowledge of 70s vastly outweighs mine. Siting the OBC wealth of knowledge always gives any seemingly heinous claim to fact a sense of credence. He enjoys that. So I start complaining about "stupid" cards and expensive examples. I startchiming in about impossible sets. I bring up the 1970 Dayton Daily News cards. He tells me he's got the whole set. I'm thumbing through some tipton 59 topps and snickered. Obviously he was kidding, as we sometimes do, fantasizing about the Mantle RC and such. Then I eventually see that he's actually looking at me. His eyes are wide and glassy. The former hockey player from Cleveland behind that glass counter was out of his freakin mind. He was smiling. Holy fuck.... Keep in mind, like many card stores, this place is chaos. It's not even organized chaos. Stuff everywhere, and he doesn't even know exactly where everything is. That's why I like the place. I mostly go in to just chat and inquire about "trash cards" as he says, rather than buy cards I don't even need. But, inventory is not a problem.... So, back to the Holy crap moment... He turns around and starts digging through a bunch of stuff, actually discarding binders left and right. He said, "I've got the football set too! It'ssomewhere in here....." He pulls out this thin binder. I open it to see these Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards all cut out and put safely in this binder. Rose and Bench in thefront.... Reggie Jackson looked like he was 16. Yaz hadn't aged yet. And son of a bitch, the freakin Hank Aaron was sure enough in there. I marveled at every single page from 1 to 160. And oh my God, the two red ink variation unnumbered specials of "all stars" Bench and Perez. Unbelievable, just unbelievable. The only missing card was #32 Clemente.... Everyone's HOMers were in there, Harrelson, Concepcion, the Denny McClain and Petrocelli types, the Mel Stottlemeyres, etc.... All the HOFers were there, geesh, overwhelming. All the while, I was thinking, "wow, no way this is in my price range.. noteven a thought." The guy knew what he had. He knew they were rare. I called it a find, maybe a hoard, but a find non the less... He said he would have never thought about them if I'd never asked about it. I said bull crap! I've talked about these before! He was just happy that not only knew what they were, but desired them. Desire in a bad way. I started getting pissed. These things have been 6 miles from my house for 15 years. I started remembering the inquiries, the research, the fables, the sagas. I remember staringat that Henry Aaron, and visualizing Lynn Miller's wantlists. There it was, that's it. All these portraits of players were never seen in any other forum or print. There's also a clipping of sports page, showing Frank Robinson dumping beer on Earl Weaver after they defeated Rose and the Reds. Neither of us really knew what sort of priced to ask or offer. But I did dare inquire. I felt like he wanted me to have them. He said "200 for the set." This about made me gasp. I was expecting him to suggest about another zero.Literally another zero, so I played cool. Mind you, I myself was still cautious, as there is very little evidence of sold listings. I checked ebay, afootball version of Johnny Unitas sold at auction at 7 hundred and something, it was slabbed psa nothing. That was the only Dayton Daily sold listing. But these were baseball, and the whole set minus one. WOW.... I didn't have 200 dollars on me. I told him that was a fair asking price, and said that I would not counter the offer, but ask for a few days to get with wifey, etc. and he had no issue, promising the offer would be on the table as is.... By the way, he had football too, but they were not for sale, as he wanted to tear the place up and look for the remainder of the pigskin portion ofthe master set. Holy shit. I made a few phone calls, and was surprised to find the men on the other line didn't know of these Gumless Cards. I won't reveal who they were, but defer to them if they want to chime in. A hint, it wasn't Lynn Miller. I didn't have his number and knew he was retired. Anyhow, I ended up coming back. And about vomited when the store owner pulled out a plastic baggie full of additional news clippings, er, gumless cards. The Clemente was in attendance and completed the set! An extra. I said extra. Extra Hank Aaron, Pete Rose, Al Kaline. Am I trying to hype this up? Yes. I am hyping this up, because this is the best deal I've ever encountered, and these are about the most mysterious examples in the most mysteriousoddball set I even know of. Plus, they are really cool cards. Not to mention there was no modesty in this collection of Dayton Daily cards. So freakin many! Ended up being over 100 EXTRA cards. The price was consequently adjusted, raised, but made a hell of a better over all deal.... I honestly dont know why the guy did it. And I hope my fellow Dayton members keep it under their hat. This is why I feel dirty. I cant believe how great of a deal Igot. But, on the other hand, he knew what he had, and just felt like he wanted to sell them to me for what he believed I could afford.... So, I picked up the complete baseball set, and scummed the rest for what I got them for. I turned against my instinct of mailing each and every memberone Dayton Daily News Gumless Card, and feel guilty about that. But I thought it would just be dumb. Though I hope it happens, and sorry if it already has happened, I don't think it's likely anyone we know will complete thisset anytime soon. So, now I feel bad because I feel boastful, but actuallyI'm just proud. I will bring my set to the National swap to show. Thank you for reading. Please ask any questions or make any statements you like. Wes Shepard, ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 23:53:49 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Lazy man's waiver wire From: Ken M Hi gang,  Loved Wes' story tonight. Could you tell he was excited? I found the set in my 2005 SCD listed @$1300 ($400 in VG), so I'd say that was a once in a lifetime grand slam deal.   I'm still processing the waivers from the last couple days. (I should finish after I send this.) I've also finished putting the last of my boyhood hockey sets into binders and taken care of the eBay lots that arrived, so my list should be up to the minute. I also wentvthrough my dupes and crossed off a couple from my own list before setting them up for tonight's waiver wire. There's too many to list in a reasonable amount of time, so I'll just ask for your lists on these two sets or claim a starter lot from the leftovers. If you haven't made a claim yet, what are you waiting for? The end of the month is Thursday and my dupes box will be closed (and nearly empty) next month as I prepare for The National. I haven't had any handshakes for National attendees in many years, but at least this tim e it won't be because of laziness. I kinda feel good about that in a way. (I'm productive!) OK, now that I've said that, here's the lazy way out of tonight's waiver wire ;-) Ken M HOCKEY1978-79 Topps* (I have some stars for this set including Bossy RC's) about 150-200 asst.1980-81 Topps* (almost UV - mostly commons, but most unscratched. Most CL's are marked) about 200-250 asst.I'm also putting something on the UV server. My only UV waiver offering this month. Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 05:53:26 -0500 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: Jay Tysver Really cool stuff. Similar set that I have sought is the 1973 Daily News Mets caricatures, they also did the Yankees. I remember seeing these in the summer of 1973 when they were released. I picked up a Yogi last year and all of the rest this year although I can't find the Yogi and the Say Hey is glued to cardboard. I believe there was also a New York Journal set in the late 50s or early 60s which was similar to the Dayton set. Those Daytons are really nice though. Jay Tysver > On Jun 28, 2016, at 9:41 PM, wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > At this point, I'm not even sure where to begin. I feel dirty. I feel weird. I am very excited, I'm still in shock. I can't believe what I ran into the other day. Some of you may know, there exists an obscure oddball issue of baseball "card" issued by the Dayton Daily Newspaper in 1970. The M137 Dayton Daily News Bubble Gumless Cards were printed in black and white on newspaper stock during the 1970 season of baseball, which were hand cut from a page in the daily news. Turns out, it is believed by some that the 1971 paper may have still been printing the winter sports issues from the previous > There are 160 cards in the baseball set, numbered 1 through 160 as printed on the "card." This does NOT count the variations. And yes, there ARE variations. Most of which are uncatalogued, and largely ambiguous. The exception being 2 known red ink All Star examples of unnumbered Bench and Perez, possibly commemorating the 1970 All Star game in Riverfront stadium in Cincinnati as it was just newly erected. These red ink variations are just aboutnon > Anyhow, until now, I have never seen any Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards in person. Though I've very seldom seen photos on the internet, I just haven't been able to find any examples anywhere. This has always boggled me, living in Dayton. Heck, I have even run into an emergence of Kahn's Weiner cards in recent months and years. I have kept my eyes peeled for these gumless cards, or news clippings, or whatever they are, for 5 consecutive National card shows. Before I tell the story, I want to say I've learned so much from this spectacular club of gentlemen and scholars. I always enjoy scrutinizing other collectors' wantlists too. I remember early in my membership seeing the white whale Hank Aaron list of HOF collector Lynn Miller. One thatstood out to me was the 1970 Dayton Daily News. I don't even think Lynn knew the card number, or if there even was one. I'm not sure. But anyways, you get the idea that these things are rare, and consequently valuable. Probably not quite as valuable as, say 1949 Leaf SP's, but possibly just as rare. > A few days ago, I researched some more of Bob Lemke's blogs and archival chatter and bull shit opinions posted on old cardboard forums. I learned there is evidence of a 360 total master set in all, including several major sports, and even golf. All of which are actually numbered, and bunched in accordance with sport. First with baseball, then football, etc.... > So moving on, I went to this local card shop in Dayton. The guy saves me tipton mints and gives them to me for dirt cheap. He loves knowing there's people out there like us that love our beat up cards. Cards with character.We got to catching up, as I see him about once a month or so. We always share knowledge of cardboard complexities and site our references accordingly. He's about 9 years older than I am, so his first hand knowledge of 70s vastly outweighs mine. Siting the OBC wealth of knowledge always gives any seemingly heinous claim to fact a sense of credence. He enjoys that. > So I start complaining about "stupid" cards and expensive examples. I start chiming in about impossible sets. I bring up the 1970 Dayton Daily News cards. He tells me he's got the whole set. I'm thumbing through some tipton59 topps and snickered. Obviously he was kidding, as we sometimes do, fantasizing about the Mantle RC and such. Then I eventually see that he's actually looking at me. His eyes are wide and glassy. The former hockey player from Cleveland behind that glass counter was out of his freakin mind. He wassmiling. Holy fuck.... > Keep in mind, like many card stores, this place is chaos. It's not even organized chaos. Stuff everywhere, and he doesn't even know exactly where everything is. That's why I like the place. I mostly go in to just chat and inquire about "trash cards" as he says, rather than buy cards I don't even need. But, inventory is not a problem.... So, back to the Holy crap moment... He turns around and starts digging through a bunch of stuff, actually discarding binders left and right. He said, "I've got the football set too! It's somewhere in here....." > He pulls out this thin binder. I open it to see these Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards all cut out and put safely in this binder. Rose and Bench in the front.... Reggie Jackson looked like he was 16. Yaz hadn't aged yet. Andson of a bitch, the freakin Hank Aaron was sure enough in there. I marveled at every single page from 1 to 160. And oh my God, the two red ink variation unnumbered specials of "all stars" Bench and Perez. Unbelievable, just unbelievable. The only missing card was #32 Clemente.... Everyone's HOMerswere in there, Harrelson, Concepcion, the Denny McClain and Petrocelli types, the Mel Stottlemeyres, etc.... All the HOFers were there, geesh, overwhelming. > All the while, I was thinking, "wow, no way this is in my price range.. not even a thought." The guy knew what he had. He knew they were rare. I called it a find, maybe a hoard, but a find non the less... He said he would have never thought about them if I'd never asked about it. I said bull crap!I've talked about these before! He was just happy that not only knew what they were, but desired them. Desire in a bad way. I started getting pissed.These things have been 6 miles from my house for 15 years. I started remembering the inquiries, the research, the fables, the sagas. I remember staring at that Henry Aaron, and visualizing Lynn Miller's wantlists. There it was, that's it. All these portraits of players were never seen in any other forum or print. There's also a clipping of sports page, showing Frank Robinson dumping beer on Earl Weaver after they defeated Rose and the Reds. > Neither of us really knew what sort of priced to ask or offer. But I did dare inquire. I felt like he wanted me to have them. He said "200 for the set." > This about made me gasp. I was expecting him to suggest about another zero. Literally another zero, so I played cool. Mind you, I myself was still cautious, as there is very little evidence of sold listings. I checked ebay,a football version of Johnny Unitas sold at auction at 7 hundred and something, it was slabbed psa nothing. That was the only Dayton Daily sold listing. But these were baseball, and the whole set minus one. WOW.... I didn't have 200 dollars on me. I told him that was a fair asking price, and said that I would not counter the offer, but ask for a few days to get with wifey, etc. and he had no issue, promising the offer would be on the table as is.... By the way, he had football too, but they were not for sale, as he wanted to tear the place up and look for the remainder of the pigskin portion of the master set. Holy shit. > I made a few phone calls, and was surprised to find the men on the other line didn't know of these Gumless Cards. I won't reveal who they were, but defer to them if they want to chime in. A hint, it wasn't Lynn Miller. I didn't have his number and knew he was retired. > Anyhow, I ended up coming back. And about vomited when the store owner pulled out a plastic baggie full of additional news clippings, er, gumless cards. The Clemente was in attendance and completed the set! An extra. I saidextra. Extra Hank Aaron, Pete Rose, Al Kaline. Am I trying to hype this up? Yes. I am hyping this up, because this is the best deal I've ever encountered, and these are about the most mysterious examples in the most mysterious oddball set I even know of. Plus, they are really cool cards. Not to mention there was no modesty in this collection of Dayton Daily cards. So freakin many! Ended up being over 100 EXTRA cards. The price was consequently adjusted, raised, but made a hell of a better over all deal.... I honestly dont know why the guy did it. And I hope my fellow Dayton members keep it under their hat. This is why I feel dirty. I cant believe how great of a dealI got. But, on the other hand, he knew what he had, and just felt like he wanted to sell them to me for what he believed I could afford.... > So, I picked up the complete baseball set, and scummed the rest for what I got them for. I turned against my instinct of mailing each and every member one Dayton Daily News Gumless Card, and feel guilty about that. But I thought it would just be dumb. Though I hope it happens, and sorry if it already has happened, I don't think it's likely anyone we know will complete this set anytime soon. So, now I feel bad because I feel boastful, but actually I'm just proud. I will bring my set to the National swap to show. Thank you for reading. Please ask any questions or make any statements you like. > Wes Shepard, ================= Date: 29 Jun 2016 04:05:36 -0700 To: Subject: Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:13:02 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Great story, Great pick-up, Congratulations! ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 10:09:37 -0400 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: "Thomas W. Billing" I grew up in the Dayton area and was around then but sure do not remember these cards or I would have been all over them. Tom Billing > On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:06 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Wow! I can really sense your level of excitement here. Fantastic find, Wes. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:41 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Find, READ READ READ > At this point, I'm not even sure where to begin. I feel dirty. I feel weird. I am very excited, I'm still in shock. I can't believe what I ran into the other day. Some of you may know, there exists an obscure oddball issue of baseball "card" issued by the Dayton Daily Newspaper in 1970. The M137 Dayton Daily News Bubble Gumless Cards were printed in black and white on newspaper stock during the 1970 season of baseball, which were hand cut from a page in the daily news. Turns out, it is believed by some that the 1971 paper may have still been printing the winter sports issues from the previous > There are 160 cards in the baseball set, numbered 1 through 160 as printed on the "card." This does NOT count the variations. And yes, there ARE variations. Most of which are uncatalogued, and largely ambiguous. The exception being 2 known red ink All Star examples of unnumbered Bench and Perez, possibly commemorating the 1970 All Star game in Riverfront stadium in Cincinnati as it was just newly erected. These red ink variations are just aboutnon > Anyhow, until now, I have never seen any Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards in person. Though I've very seldom seen photos on the internet, I just haven't been able to find any examples anywhere. This has always boggled me, living in Dayton. Heck, I have even run into an emergence of Kahn's Weiner cards in recent months and years. I have kept my eyes peeled for these gumless cards, or news clippings, or whatever they are, for 5 consecutive National card shows. Before I tell the story, I want to say I've learned so much from this spectacular club of gentlemen and scholars. I always enjoy scrutinizing other collectors' wantlists too. I remember early in my membership seeing the white whale Hank Aaron list of HOF collector Lynn Miller. One thatstood out to me was the 1970 Dayton Daily News. I don't even think Lynn knew the card number, or if there even was one. I'm not sure. But anyways, you get the idea that these things are rare, and consequently valuable. Probably not quite as valuable as, say 1949 Leaf SP's, but possibly just as rare. > A few days ago, I researched some more of Bob Lemke's blogs and archival chatter and bull shit opinions posted on old cardboard forums. I learned there is evidence of a 360 total master set in all, including several major sports, and even golf. All of which are actually numbered, and bunched in accordance with sport. First with baseball, then football, etc.... > So moving on, I went to this local card shop in Dayton. The guy saves me tipton mints and gives them to me for dirt cheap. He loves knowing there's people out there like us that love our beat up cards. Cards with character.We got to catching up, as I see him about once a month or so. We always share knowledge of cardboard complexities and site our references accordingly. He's about 9 years older than I am, so his first hand knowledge of 70s vastly outweighs mine. Siting the OBC wealth of knowledge always gives any seemingly heinous claim to fact a sense of credence. He enjoys that. > So I start complaining about "stupid" cards and expensive examples. I start chiming in about impossible sets. I bring up the 1970 Dayton Daily News cards. He tells me he's got the whole set. I'm thumbing through some tipton59 topps and snickered. Obviously he was kidding, as we sometimes do, fantasizing about the Mantle RC and such. Then I eventually see that he's actually looking at me. His eyes are wide and glassy. The former hockey player from Cleveland behind that glass counter was out of his freakin mind. He wassmiling. Holy fuck.... > Keep in mind, like many card stores, this place is chaos. It's not even organized chaos. Stuff everywhere, and he doesn't even know exactly where everything is. That's why I like the place. I mostly go in to just chat and inquire about "trash cards" as he says, rather than buy cards I don't even need. But, inventory is not a problem.... So, back to the Holy crap moment... He turns around and starts digging through a bunch of stuff, actually discarding binders left and right. He said, "I've got the football set too! It's somewhere in here....." > He pulls out this thin binder. I open it to see these Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards all cut out and put safely in this binder. Rose and Bench in the front.... Reggie Jackson looked like he was 16. Yaz hadn't aged yet. Andson of a bitch, the freakin Hank Aaron was sure enough in there. I marveled at every single page from 1 to 160. And oh my God, the two red ink variation unnumbered specials of "all stars" Bench and Perez. Unbelievable, just unbelievable. The only missing card was #32 Clemente.... Everyone's HOMerswere in there, Harrelson, Concepcion, the Denny McClain and Petrocelli types, the Mel Stottlemeyres, etc.... All the HOFers were there, geesh, overwhelming. > All the while, I was thinking, "wow, no way this is in my price range.. not even a thought." The guy knew what he had. He knew they were rare. I called it a find, maybe a hoard, but a find non the less... He said he would have never thought about them if I'd never asked about it. I said bull crap!I've talked about these before! He was just happy that not only knew what they were, but desired them. Desire in a bad way. I started getting pissed.These things have been 6 miles from my house for 15 years. I started remembering the inquiries, the research, the fables, the sagas. I remember staring at that Henry Aaron, and visualizing Lynn Miller's wantlists. There it was, that's it. All these portraits of players were never seen in any other forum or print. There's also a clipping of sports page, showing Frank Robinson dumping beer on Earl Weaver after they defeated Rose and the Reds. > Neither of us really knew what sort of priced to ask or offer. But I did dare inquire. I felt like he wanted me to have them. He said "200 for the set." > This about made me gasp. I was expecting him to suggest about another zero. Literally another zero, so I played cool. Mind you, I myself was still cautious, as there is very little evidence of sold listings. I checked ebay,a football version of Johnny Unitas sold at auction at 7 hundred and something, it was slabbed psa nothing. That was the only Dayton Daily sold listing. But these were baseball, and the whole set minus one. WOW.... I didn't have 200 dollars on me. I told him that was a fair asking price, and said that I would not counter the offer, but ask for a few days to get with wifey, etc. and he had no issue, promising the offer would be on the table as is.... By the way, he had football too, but they were not for sale, as he wanted to tear the place up and look for the remainder of the pigskin portion of the master set. Holy shit. > I made a few phone calls, and was surprised to find the men on the other line didn't know of these Gumless Cards. I won't reveal who they were, but defer to them if they want to chime in. A hint, it wasn't Lynn Miller. I didn't have his number and knew he was retired. > Anyhow, I ended up coming back. And about vomited when the store owner pulled out a plastic baggie full of additional news clippings, er, gumless cards. The Clemente was in attendance and completed the set! An extra. I saidextra. Extra Hank Aaron, Pete Rose, Al Kaline. Am I trying to hype this up? Yes. I am hyping this up, because this is the best deal I've ever encountered, and these are about the most mysterious examples in the most mysterious oddball set I even know of. Plus, they are really cool cards. Not to mention there was no modesty in this collection of Dayton Daily cards. So freakin many! Ended up being over 100 EXTRA cards. The price was consequently adjusted, raised, but made a hell of a better over all deal.... I honestly dont know why the guy did it. And I hope my fellow Dayton members keep it under their hat. This is why I feel dirty. I cant believe how great of a dealI got. But, on the other hand, he knew what he had, and just felt like he wanted to sell them to me for what he believed I could afford.... > So, I picked up the complete baseball set, and scummed the rest for what I got them for. I turned against my instinct of mailing each and every member one Dayton Daily News Gumless Card, and feel guilty about that. But I thought it would just be dumb. Though I hope it happens, and sorry if it already has happened, I don't think it's likely anyone we know will complete this set anytime soon. So, now I feel bad because I feel boastful, but actually I'm just proud. I will bring my set to the National swap to show. Thank you for reading. Please ask any questions or make any statements you like. > Wes Shepard, ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:34:19 -0500 Subject: eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley From: Aaron Shirley 9 hours to go, currently $51. I know most of you still have this on your list. http://www.ebay.com/itm/381676660255 There are currently FOUR copies of this under $70... Not sure how much you all expect to pay for it. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 09:18:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: JAY TYSVER Brings a thought to mind. It would be cool to see a gallery of people's oddball finds. I'm sure thereare some pretty oddball or rare things in the collective. Jay Tysver To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:49:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ Agreed--great story. Great find--oddball heaven, even more so for a Daytonite. Wish I had a local store to rummage through--dust, cardboard and hidden Understand the "dirty" feeling--two of my better finds: 1962 Jello Bobby Richardson--BIN on ebay for 1.99 + shipping. A $4-500 card--almost wanted to tell the seller what he was giving away.A stack of about 100 1962 Post Canadians for $25 at the first National I attended years ago in Cleveland. The stack was filled with OBC condition short prints and was a great start to the set. Still need four of the buggers. Couldn't pull out the money from my wallet fast enough. Enjoy the find--cool "cards" peter mead On 06/29/16, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Wes Great story, Great pick-up, Congratulations! ================= Date: 29 Jun 2016 11:21:38 -0700 To: Subject: Getting rid of my 1970s Dupes: Day 2, 1971 From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Aaron Shirley , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:09:13 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley From: Shawn Smart I was just looking at this when you sent the e-mail! Is this considered the toughest SP in the set? Is it Gaylord Perry? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:34:19 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley 9 hours to go, currently $51. I know most of you still have this on your list. http://www.ebay.com/itm/381676660255 There are currently FOUR copies of this under $70... Not sure how much you all expect to pay for it. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:16:14 -0500 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley From: OBC Nick P My opinion....this is the toughest card of the late 60's. I can really only think of the 63 rose as a tougher card from the decade....only the Rose is visible and available, just overpriced. Nick Pelletier > On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was just looking at this when you sent the e-mail! Is this considered the toughest SP in the set? Is it Gaylord Perry? > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:34:19 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley > 9 hours to go, currently $51. I know most of you still have this on your list. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/381676660255 > There are currently FOUR copies of this under $70... Not sure how much you all expect to pay for it. > Aaron ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 15:32:31 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: Ken M Jay,  I don't think we have enough bandwith to post all of Mike Rich's oddball stuff :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2016 2:11 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ Brings a thought to mind. It would be cool to see a gallery of people's oddball finds. I'm sure there are some pretty oddball or rare things in the collective. Jay Tysver To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:49:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ Agreed--great story. Great find--oddball heaven, even more so for a Daytonite.  Wish I had a local store to rummage through--dust, cardboard and hidden finds. Understand the "dirty" feeling--two of my better finds: 1962 Jello Bobby Richardson--BIN on ebay for 1.99 + shipping.  A $4-500 card--almost wanted to tell the seller what he was giving away.A stack of about 100 1962 Post Canadians for $25 at the first National I attended years ago in Cleveland.  The stack was filled with OBC condition short prints and was a great start to the set.  Still need four of the buggers.  Couldn't pull out the money from my wallet fast enough. Enjoy the find--cool "cards" peter mead   On 06/29/16, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]> wrote:    Wes Great story, Great pick-up, Congratulations! Posted by: JAY TYSVER > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 14:45:42 -0500 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley From: Nate Mack This is the toughest SP in the set by far... I make sure to pick them up when I can because they are great trade bait! Now if anyone wants to trade a Rose RC for one, hit me up! ;-) Nate Mack Sent from my iPad > On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was just looking at this when you sent the e-mail! Is this considered the toughest SP in the set? Is it Gaylord Perry? > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:34:19 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley > 9 hours to go, currently $51. I know most of you still have this on your list. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/381676660255 > There are currently FOUR copies of this under $70... Not sure how much you all expect to pay for it. > Aaron ================= To: Sal Domino , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:48:49 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Pull out your 67s... From: richard dingman did not know of that one but am aware of 3 others - purple drip from ear, white cloud over hand, and small blue blob over thumb. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; card-variations@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2016 22:21:44 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pull out your 67s... Variation time? I was pulling some cards together and noticed #339 Chico Ruiz. On the top left there is a small white blotch that breaks the border and goes a bit into the sky. Almost looks like a rip in the card if you look fast. Anyone else have a version like this? I know the 73s get listed with border breaks, I was wondering if this is a known variation or unlisted or nothingat BUT, I will be keeping both in my set just in case :-)... OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 16:21:18 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: richard dingman Great score Wes! CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: glenncodere@yahoo.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 10:09:37 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Find, READ READ READ I grew up in the Dayton area and was around then but sure do not remember these cards or I would have been all over them. Tom Billing On Jun 29, 2016, at 3:06 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:Wow! I can really sense your level of excitement here. Fantastic find, Wes. Congratulations!!! Glenn Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 3:41 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dayton Find, READ READ READ At this point, I'm not even sure where to begin. I feel dirty. I feel weird. I am very excited, I'm still in shock. I can't believe what I ran into the other day. Some of you may know, there exists an obscure oddball issue of baseball "card" issued by the Dayton Daily Newspaper in 1970. The M137 Dayton Daily News Bubble Gumless Cards were printed in black and white on newspaper stock during the 1970 season of baseball, which were hand cut from apage in the daily news. Turns out, it is believed by some that the 1971 paper may have still been printing the winter sports issues from the previousyear.There are 160 cards in the baseball set, numbered 1 through 160 as printed on the "card." This does NOT count the variations. And yes, there AREvariations. Most of which are uncatalogued, and largely ambiguous. The exception being 2 known red ink All Star examples of unnumbered Bench and Perez, possibly commemorating the 1970 All Star game in Riverfront stadium in Cincinnati as it was just newly erected. These red ink variations are just about non existent. Anyhow, until now, I have never seen any Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards in person. Though I've very seldom seen photos on the internet, I just haven't been able to find any examples anywhere. This has always boggled me, living in Dayton. Heck, I have even run into an emergence ofKahn's Weiner cards in recent months and years. I have kept my eyes peeledfor these gumless cards, or news clippings, or whatever they are, for 5 consecutive National card shows. Before I tell the story, I want to say I've learned so much from this spectacular club of gentlemen and scholars. I always enjoy scrutinizing other collectors' wantlists too. I remember early inmy membership seeing the white whale Hank Aaron list of HOF collector LynnMiller. One that stood out to me was the 1970 Dayton Daily News. I don't even think Lynn knew the card number, or if there even was one. I'm not sure. But anyways, you get the idea that these things are rare, and consequently valuable. Probably not quite as valuable as, say 1949 Leaf SP's, but possibly just as rare.A few days ago, I researched some more of Bob Lemke's blogs and archival chatter and bull shit opinions posted on old cardboard forums. I learned there is evidence of a 360 total master set in all, includingseveral major sports, and even golf. All of which are actually numbered, and bunched in accordance with sport. First with baseball, then football, etc....So moving on, I went to this local card shop in Dayton. The guy saves me tipton mints and gives them to me for dirt cheap. He loves knowing there's people out there like us that love our beat up cards. Cards with character. We got to catching up, as I see him about once a month or so. We alwaysshare knowledge of cardboard complexities and site our references accordingly. He's about 9 years older than I am, so his first hand knowledge of 70svastly outweighs mine. Siting the OBC wealth of knowledge always gives anyseemingly heinous claim to fact a sense of credence. He enjoys that.So I start complaining about "stupid" cards and expensive examples. I start chiming in about impossible sets. I bring up the 1970 Dayton Daily News cards. He tells me he's got the whole set. I'm thumbing through some tipton 59 topps and snickered. Obviously he was kidding, as we sometimes do, fantasizing about the Mantle RC and such. Then I eventually see that he's actually looking at me. His eyes are wide and glassy. The former hockey player from Cleveland behind that glass counter was out of his freakin mind. He was smiling. Holy fuck....Keep in mind, like many card stores, this place is chaos. It's not even organized chaos. Stuff everywhere, and he doesn't even know exactly where everything is. That's why I like the place. I mostly go in to just chat and inquire about "trash cards" as he says, rather than buy cards Idon't even need. But, inventory is not a problem.... So, back to the Holy crap moment... He turns around and starts digging through a bunch of stuff,actually discarding binders left and right. He said, "I've got the football set too! It's somewhere in here....."He pulls out this thin binder. I open it to see these Dayton Daily News Gumless Cards all cut out and put safely in this binder. Rose and Bench in the front.... Reggie Jackson looked like he was 16. Yaz hadn't aged yet. And son of a bitch, the freakin Hank Aaron was sure enough in there. I marveled at every single page from 1 to 160. And oh my God, the two red ink variation unnumbered specials of "all stars"Bench and Perez. Unbelievable, just unbelievable. The only missing card was #32 Clemente.... Everyone's HOMers were in there, Harrelson, Concepcion,the Denny McClain and Petrocelli types, the Mel Stottlemeyres, etc.... Allthe HOFers were there, geesh, overwhelming.All the while, I was thinking, "wow, no way this is in my price range.. not even a thought." The guy knew what he had. He knew they were rare. I called it a find, maybe a hoard, buta find non the less... He said he would have never thought about them if I'd never asked about it. I said bull crap! I've talked about these before! He was just happy that not only knew what they were, but desired them. Desire in a bad way. I started getting pissed. These things have been 6 miles from my house for 15 years. I started remembering the inquiries, the research, the fables, the sagas. I remember staring at that Henry Aaron, and visualizing Lynn Miller's wantlists. There it was, that's it. All these portraits of players were never seen in any other forum or print. There's also a clipping of sports page, showing Frank Robinson dumping beer on Earl Weaver after they defeated Rose and the Reds.Neither of us really knew what sort ofpriced to ask or offer. But I did dare inquire. I felt like he wanted me to have them. He said "200 for the set."This about made me gasp. I was expecting him to suggest about another zero. Literally another zero, so I playedcool. Mind you, I myself was still cautious, as there is very little evidence of sold listings. I checked ebay, a football version of Johnny Unitas sold at auction at 7 hundred and something, it was slabbed psa nothing. Thatwas the only Dayton Daily sold listing. But these were baseball, and the whole set minus one. WOW.... I didn't have 200 dollars on me. I told him that was a fair asking price, and said that I would not counter the offer, butask for a few days to get with wifey, etc. and he had no issue, promising the offer would be on the table as is.... By the way, he had football too, but they were not for sale, as he wanted to tear the place up and look for the remainder of the pigskin portion of the master set. Holy shit.I made a few phone calls, and was surprised to find the men on the other line didn'tknow of these Gumless Cards. I won't reveal who they were, but defer to them if they want to chime in. A hint, it wasn't Lynn Miller. I didn't have his number and knew he was retired.Anyhow, I ended up coming back. And aboutvomited when the store owner pulled out a plastic baggie full of additional news clippings, er, gumless cards. The Clemente was in attendance and completed the set! An extra. I said extra. Extra Hank Aaron, Pete Rose, Al Kaline. Am I trying to hype this up? Yes. I am hyping this up, because this isthe best deal I've ever encountered, and these are about the most mysterious examples in the most mysterious oddball set I even know of. Plus, they are really cool cards. Not to mention there was no modesty in this collection of Dayton Daily cards. So freakin many! Ended up being over 100 EXTRA cards. The price was consequently adjusted, raised, but made a hell of a better over all deal.... I honestly dont know why the guy did it. And I hope my fellow Dayton members keep it under their hat. This is why I feel dirty. I cant believe how great of a deal I got. But, on the other hand, he knew what he had, and just felt like he wanted to sell them to me for what he believed I could afford....So, I picked up the complete baseball set, and scummed the rest for what I got them for. I turned against my instinct of mailingeach and every member one Dayton Daily News Gumless Card, and feel guilty about that. But I thought it would just be dumb. Though I hope it happens, and sorry if it already has happened, I don't think it's likely anyone we know will complete this set anytime soon. So, now I feel bad because I feel boastful, but actually I'm just proud. I will bring my set to the National swap to show. Thank you for reading. Please ask any questions or make any statements you like.Wes Shepard, ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:31:05 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: 1972 #478 Checklist variation From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I am trying to figure out the "small" vs "large" print on this thing...I have looked at picture on Ebay, and they look the same to me. How can you tell the difference if you only have one? ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 19:03:35 -0400 To: Nate Mack Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley From: Doug DeJong There is a guy on ebay with 15 items for sale.....4 ladies purses, 11 baseball items, 2 are this card. A week or two I noticed he had a complete 1966 set and three #591s that he was selling separately (4 of these cards total); 2 of those may be the two currently listed. He makes a point of listed them all as 'ungraded'. Seems odd --- has this card been known to be counterfeited? On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 3:45 PM, Nate Mack nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > This is the toughest SP in the set by far... I make sure to pick them up > when I can because they are great trade bait! Now if anyone wants to trade > a Rose RC for one, hit me up! ;-) > Nate Mack > Sent from my iPad > On Jun 29, 2016, at 2:09 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was just looking at this when you sent the e-mail! Is this considered > the toughest SP in the set? Is it Gaylord Perry? > ------------------------------ > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 12:34:19 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay: 1966 Topps 591 Jackson/Shirley > 9 hours to go, currently $51. I know most of you still have this on your > list. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/381676660255 > There are currently FOUR copies of this under $70... Not sure how much you > all expect to pay for it. > Aaron ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:45:05 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Here you go Geno. If you look closely, you can see the upward shift of the names closer to the red border on the left. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/29/2016 6:31:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Fellas -- I am trying to figure out the "small" vs "large" print on this thing...I have looked at picture on Ebay, and they look the same to me. How can you tell the difference if you only have one? ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:50:39 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Great idea Geno, This is one of my favorites... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/29/2016 2:11:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Brings a thought to mind. It would be cool to see a gallery of people's oddball finds. I'm sure there are some pretty oddball or rare things in the collective. Jay Tysver To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 07:49:23 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Dayton Find, READ READ READ Agreed--great story. Great find--oddball heaven, even more so for a Daytonite. Wish I had a local store to rummage through--dust, cardboard and hidden finds. Understand the "dirty" feeling--two of my better finds: 1962 Jello Bobby Richardson--BIN on ebay for 1.99 + shipping. A $4-500 card--almost wanted to tell the seller what he was giving away. A stack of about 100 1962 Post Canadians for $25 at the first National I attended years ago in Cleveland. The stack was filled with OBC condition short prints and was a great start to the set. Still need four of the buggers. Couldn't pull out the money from my wallet fast enough. Enjoy the find--cool "cards" peter mead On 06/29/16, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Great story, Great pick-up, Congratulations! ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 22:07:41 -0600 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation From: illini_grad_90 ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:08:52 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: And now, the end is near... From: Ken M Hi gang,  Well, this month has flown by, and yet it seems like I didn't think it was going to end soon enough. I started with most of my dupes in a 5000 ct. monster box and I've pretty much emptied it along with a couple other boxes I dug out. The unclaimed stuff probably wouldn't fill a 600 ct. box now. Satisfied and relieved is how I'm feeling now. Tonight's waiver wire is a few last odds and ends highlighted by my 1977-78 basketball set remnants. This 132 card set comes in gray or white stock. The gray was much harder to locate. I probably had about a dozen grays on my wantlist (the white set being complete) for a while, when I came across a stack at one of the last Ft. Washington shows I attended. The dealer had the cards in his case and I asked to see them, so I could check for those last few grays I needed. He told me as he handed it to me, "It's a complete set." So I turn the stack over and they were ALL gray backs, so I bought the whole thing for those last few cards I needed. I don't know how I ended up with so many white backs, but between the two, I have a pretty good jump on a complete set.  A couple things I was wondering about that Wes' story brought up. How much of the vintage catalog do we have as a group? I mean, other than 19th century cards, we probably have a decent percentage of what's out there among the 150 of us, no? A lot of our collections are redundant, but I think most of us have some obscure or rare cards that not a lit of others have.  I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Wes was explaining like a giddy school girl to his wife how he needed two hundred bucks to buy those "stupid" baseball cards. I hope he retells the story when I see him in about a month.  Speaking of which, The Nats are in a month! Once I finally get everyone's stuff in the mail, I can concentrate on preparing for the show. It's the one week of vacation I mark on the calendar at work on Jan. 1st every year. I hope there's still a few g uys waiting to commit to going. If you're just undecided on whether you should go or not: if you can go, you HAVE TO GO! Randy Welk is driving 3500 miles from CA for the swap, so there goes your "I'm too far away" excuse. You owe it to yourself to get there and hang out with us.  Here's the short list of cards. Send me your hoop lists or ask for a starter lot. If you're doing both backs, please specify. Enjoy! Ken M FOOTBALL1979? Fleer 16 47 BASKETBALL1977-78 Topps* (about 150 asst.) Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:21:23 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And now, the end is near... From: OBC Nick P Ken asks a great question.....one I've asked myself a couple times. Just how many different cards are owned by the full OBC contingent? George has me going on his collector levels. I want more! In my quest to expand my list I've looked and looked to find ways just to get my want listup to 50k cards. In looking at George's estimates for total cards, and how to get my list there I found myself thinking there is no way those total card estimates are accurate. So what did I do? I set out to prove the point that I have NO LIFE! How? I went through every page and every vintage set in the baseball SCD. Georges numbers were dang close. The estimate was 110K vintage baseball cards. My count came to 100,924 different vintage cards listed in the SCD. Yes, Ihave no life. Yes, this is ONLY baseball. Back to Ken's point.....I wonder just how many of those 100K plus cards areowned by Obc. Wow! This is a great group! Nick Pelletier > On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi gang, > Well, this month has flown by, and yet it seems like I didn't think it was going to end soon enough. I started with most of my dupes in a 5000 ct.monster box and I've pretty much emptied it along with a couple other boxes I dug out. The unclaimed stuff probably wouldn't fill a 600 ct. box now. Satisfied and relieved is how I'm feeling now. Tonight's waiver wire is a few last odds and ends highlighted by my 1977-78 basketball set remnants. This 132 card set comes in gray or white stock. The gray was much harder to locate. I probably had about a dozen grays on my wantlist (the white set being complete) for a while, when I came across a stack at one of the last Ft.Washington shows I attended. The dealer had the cards in his case and I asked to see them, so I could check fo r those last few grays I needed. He told me as he handed it to me, "It's a complete set." So I turn the stack over and they were ALL gray backs, so I bought the whole thing for those last few cards I needed. I don't know how I ended up with so many white backs, but between the two, I have a pretty good jump on a complete set. > A couple things I was wondering about that Wes' story brought up. How much of the vintage catalog do we have as a group? I mean, other than 19th century cards, we probably have a decent percentage of what's out there among the 150 of us, no? A lot of our collections are redundant, but I think most of us have some obscure or rare cards that not a lit of others have. > I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Wes was explaining like agiddy school girl to his wife how he needed two hundred bucks to buy those"stupid" baseball cards. I hope he retells the story when I see him in about a month. > Speaking of which, The Nats are in a month! Once I finally get everyone's stuff in the mail, I can concentrate on preparing for the show. It's theone week of vacation I mark on the calendar at work on Jan. 1st every year. I hope there's still a few guys waiting to commit to going. If you're just undecided on whether you should go or not: if you can go, you HAVE TO GO!Randy Welk is driving 3500 miles from CA for the swap, so there goes your "I'm too far away" excuse. You owe it to yourself to get there and hang outwith > Here's the short list of cards. Send me your hoop lists or ask for a starter lot. If you're doing both backs, please specify. Enjoy! > Ken M > FOOTBALL > 1979? Fleer 16 47 > BASKETBALL > 1977-78 Topps* (about 150 asst.) > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:43:42 -0400 To: nachobcards@yahoo.com, cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And now, the end is near... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com On my trip so far I have picked up probably another 200 vintage cards I didnot previously have. A pair of 1964 football Kahns and a set of 1978 McDonalds Colorado Rockies HOCKEY set, and the Olympic cards provided by 3 OBCers are the only non-baseball. Primarily TCMA issues, but all sorts of fun items. I also remember one time noticing how many sets were on folks completed sets list that I have not yet finished. Specifically this was Mac, Peter Mead, Bama, Rick Lyons, among others. Do not forget the PCL issues, and there were at least 35+ sets, on top of the 300+ complete baseball sets Ihave. Probably the most obscure nationally issued vintage BB set I have is the 1964 Rawlings Glove on the Box set. Mine is a cut up set. I think I got the set for $25 a few years ago. I would think I have some other vintage issues (TCMA) completed that no one else has, but they are not as obscure or were issued only regionally. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Ken M Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Thu, Jun 30, 2016 12:21 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And now, the end is near... Ken asks a great question.....one I've asked myself a couple times. Just how many different cards are owned by the full OBC contingent? George has me going on his collector levels. I want more! In my quest to expand my list I've looked and looked to find ways just to get my want listup to 50k cards. In looking at George's estimates for total cards, and how to get my list there I found myself thinking there is no way those total card estimates are accurate. So what did I do? I set out to prove the point that I have NO LIFE! How? I went through every page and every vintage set in the baseball SCD. Georges numbers were dang close. The estimate was 110K vintage baseball cards. My count came to 100,924 different vintage cards listed in the SCD. Yes, Ihave no life. Yes, this is ONLY baseball. Back to Ken's point.....I wonder just how many of those 100K plus cards areowned by Obc. Wow! This is a great group! Nick Pelletier On Jun 29, 2016, at 11:08 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hi gang, Well, this month has flown by, and yet it seems like I didn't think it was going to end soon enough. I started with most of my dupes in a 5000 ct. monster box and I've pretty much emptied it along with a couple other boxes I dug out. The unclaimed stuff probably wouldn't fill a 600 ct. box now. Satisfied and relieved is how I'm feeling now. Tonight's waiver wire is a fewlast odds and ends highlighted by my 1977-78 basketball set remnants. This132 card set comes in gray or white stock. The gray was much harder to locate. I probably had about a dozen grays on my wantlist (the white set beingcomplete) for a while, when I came across a stack at one of the last Ft. Washington shows I attended. The dealer had the cards in his case and I asked to see them, so I could check fo r those last few grays I needed. He toldme as he handed it to me, "It's a complete set." So I turn the stack over and they were ALL gray backs, so I bought the whole thing for those last few cards I needed. I don't know how I ended up with so many white backs, butbetween the two, I have a pretty good jump on a complete set. A couple things I was wondering about that Wes' story brought up. How much of the vintage catalog do we have as a group? I mean, other than 19th century cards, we probably have a decent percentage of what's out there among the 150 of us, no? A lot of our collections are redundant, but I think mostof us have some obscure or rare cards that not a lit of others have. I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Wes was explaining like a giddy school girl to his wife how he needed two hundred bucks to buy those "stupid" baseball cards. I hope he retells the story when I see him in about a month. Speaking of which, The Nats are in a month! Once I finally get everyone'sstuff in the mail, I can concentrate on preparing for the show. It's the one week of vacation I mark on the calendar at work on Jan. 1st every year. I hope there's still a few guys waiting to commit to going. If you're just undecided on whether you should go or not: if you can go, you HAVE TO GO! Randy Welk is driving 3500 miles from CA for the swap, so there goes your "I'm too far away" excuse. You owe it to yourself to get there and hang out with Here's the short list of cards. Send me your hoop lists or ask for a starter lot. If you're doing both backs, please specify. Enjoy! Ken M 1979? Fleer 16 47 1977-78 Topps* (about 150 asst.) Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 00:21:30 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation From: Ken M ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 05:12:51 +0000 (UTC) To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation From: talbot1@comcast.net Now I can see a difference in these examples - the one to the left clearly has smaller type and has at least 2-3mm gaps on either side of the print. Ithink Sal has to hunt for the small type variation!!!! I sense some grumbling from Long Island!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:21:30 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation Are you guys sure that's a variation and not just slightly different registry of the black print? I've got two versions of the 6th series CL (#604) and there's a real noticeable difference: Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Jun 29, 2016 10:45 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation Here you go Geno. If you look closely, you can see the upward shift of the names closer to the red border on the left. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/29/2016 6:31:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Fellas -- I am trying to figure out the "small" vs "large" print on this thing...I have looked at picture on Ebay, and they look the same to me. How can you tell the difference if you only have one? ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 01:13:44 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation [1 Attachment] From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en The one on the left is the larger letters. The difference is very slight, but if you see them live next to each other, you can see the difference. Look more at the numbers than the names in the pictures. The 6th series one Ken posted had a copyright difference on the back, one on the left, one on the right. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/30/2016 12:43:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0e6928c0/default.html#TopText) from talbot1@comcast.net included below] Boy - I'm with you Geno!!! I suppose if you look closely at 526 Bob Bailey and 544 Wood in Action on one example the printing is very close to the black border above it, on the opposite example there is perhaps a 1 or 2 mm gap of yellow background. But I don't know why anyone would call this a variation???? Unlike so many other obvious examples of checklist variations. Just my 2 cents worth!!!! BE WELL!!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK From: "illini_grad_90 illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 12:07:41 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation Sal -- So which one is which? They look exactly the same to me. Jeez...how do people find this stuff? Take Care, Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 06/29/2016 20:45 (GMT-07:00) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1972 #478 Checklist variation Here you go Geno. If you look closely, you can see the upward shift of the names closer to the red border on the left. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/29/2016 6:31:12 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Fellas -- I am trying to figure out the "small" vs "large" print on this thing...I have looked at picture on Ebay, and they look the same to me. How can you tell the difference if you only have one? ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 07:04:53 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1969 Topps football "minis" From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I have 45 or so of these =E2=9Cmini=E2=9D cards that were removed from their albums. Contact me via email if you are putting this set together and I will have a look at your list. ================= To: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 08:31:00 -0500 Subject: Nick's Question on baseball vintage owned by all of OBC From: "George Vrechek" As to the total single vintage baseball cards owned aggregately by OBCers, the number is 51,236. You might wonder how I came up with this number. When Jefferson Burdick wrapped up his baseball card collecting in 1960, he had about 30,000 of the 43,000 baseball cards issued through 1960. So even the Sultan of Cardboard only batted about .700. There are about 110,000 vintage baseball singles through 1980. The collector with the most vintage baseball that I know has about 43,000 singles and has probably exhausted most of the findable sets. There are some less expensive obscure regionals, that some of us have which will help our aggregate numbers, but I feel the other cards we own above and beyond the 43,000 are pretty old and expensive. Therefore the quantities are not great. I have offered advice to OBCers in figuring out how many cards they have for the set recognition levels. One of my last suggestions is to just make up a number that sounds believable. That's how I came up with the 51,236. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:06:22 -0400 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And now, the end is near... From: "Thomas W. Billing" Frank Sinatra? > On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi gang, > Well, this month has flown by, and yet it seems like I didn't think it was going to end soon enough. I started with most of my dupes in a 5000 ct.monster box and I've pretty much emptied it along with a couple other boxes I dug out. The unclaimed stuff probably wouldn't fill a 600 ct. box now. Satisfied and relieved is how I'm feeling now. Tonight's waiver wire is a few last odds and ends highlighted by my 1977-78 basketball set remnants. This 132 card set comes in gray or white stock. The gray was much harder to locate. I probably had about a dozen grays on my wantlist (the white set being complete) for a while, when I came across a stack at one of the last Ft.Washington shows I attended. The dealer had the cards in his case and I asked to see them, so I could check fo r those last few grays I needed. He told me as he handed it to me, "It's a complete set." So I turn the stack over and they were ALL gray backs, so I bought the whole thing for those last few cards I needed. I don't know how I ended up with so many white backs, but between the two, I have a pretty good jump on a complete set. > A couple things I was wondering about that Wes' story brought up. How much of the vintage catalog do we have as a group? I mean, other than 19th century cards, we probably have a decent percentage of what's out there among the 150 of us, no? A lot of our collections are redundant, but I think most of us have some obscure or rare cards that not a lit of others have. > I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Wes was explaining like agiddy school girl to his wife how he needed two hundred bucks to buy those"stupid" baseball cards. I hope he retells the story when I see him in about a month. > Speaking of which, The Nats are in a month! Once I finally get everyone's stuff in the mail, I can concentrate on preparing for the show. It's theone week of vacation I mark on the calendar at work on Jan. 1st every year. I hope there's still a few guys waiting to commit to going. If you're just undecided on whether you should go or not: if you can go, you HAVE TO GO!Randy Welk is driving 3500 miles from CA for the swap, so there goes your "I'm too far away" excuse. You owe it to yourself to get there and hang outwith > Here's the short list of cards. Send me your hoop lists or ask for a starter lot. If you're doing both backs, please specify. Enjoy! > Ken M > FOOTBALL > 1979? Fleer 16 47 > BASKETBALL > 1977-78 Topps* (about 150 asst.) > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:51:27 -0400 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And now, the end is near... From: Andy Huntoon ...and so I face, the final curtain. My favorite Frankie tune! Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:06 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Frank Sinatra? >> On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Hi gang, >> Well, this month has flown by, and yet it seems like I didn't think itwas going to end soon enough. I started with most of my dupes in a 5000 ct. monster box and I've pretty much emptied it along with a couple other boxes I dug out. The unclaimed stuff probably wouldn't fill a 600 ct. box now.Satisfied and relieved is how I'm feeling now. Tonight's waiver wire is a few last odds and ends highlighted by my 1977-78 basketball set remnants. This 132 card set comes in gray or white stock. The gray was much harder to locate. I probably had about a dozen grays on my wantlist (the white set being complete) for a while, when I came across a stack at one of the last Ft. Washington shows I attended. The dealer had the cards in his case and I asked to see them, so I could check fo r those last few grays I needed. He told me as he handed it to me, "It's a complete set." So I turn the stack over and they were ALL gray backs, so I bought the whole thing for those lastfew cards I needed. I don't know how I ended up with so many white backs, but between the two, I have a pretty good jump on a complete set. >> A couple things I was wondering about that Wes' story brought up. How much of the vintage catalog do we have as a group? I mean, other than 19th century cards, we probably have a decent percentage of what's out there among the 150 of us, no? A lot of our collections are redundant, but I think most of us have some obscure or rare cards that not a lit of others have. >> I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Wes was explaining like a giddy school girl to his wife how he needed two hundred bucks to buy those "stupid" baseball cards. I hope he retells the story when I see him in about a month. >> Speaking of which, The Nats are in a month! Once I finally get everyone's stuff in the mail, I can concentrate on preparing for the show. It's the one week of vacation I mark on the calendar at work on Jan. 1st every year. I hope there's still a few guys waiting to commit to going. If you're just undecided on whether you should go or not: if you can go, you HAVE TO GO! Randy Welk is driving 3500 miles from CA for the swap, so there goes your"I'm too far away" excuse. You owe it to yourself to get there and hang out with us. >> Here's the short list of cards. Send me your hoop lists or ask for a starter lot. If you're doing both backs, please specify. Enjoy! >> Ken M >> FOOTBALL >> 1979? Fleer 16 47 >> BASKETBALL >> 1977-78 Topps* (about 150 asst.) >> Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:57:14 -0400 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] And now, the end is near... From: "Thomas W. Billing" and I did it My Way > On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:51 AM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Yes. > ...and so I face, the final curtain. > My favorite Frankie tune! > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2016, at 10:06 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> Frank Sinatra? >>> On Jun 30, 2016, at 12:08 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>> Hi gang, >>> Well, this month has flown by, and yet it seems like I didn't think it was going to end soon enough. I started with most of my dupes in a 5000 ct. monster box and I've pretty much emptied it along with a couple other boxes I dug out. The unclaimed stuff probably wouldn't fill a 600 ct. box now. Satisfied and relieved is how I'm feeling now. Tonight's waiver wire is afew last odds and ends highlighted by my 1977-78 basketball set remnants. This 132 card set comes in gray or white stock. The gray was much harder tolocate. I probably had about a dozen grays on my wantlist (the white set being complete) for a while, when I came across a stack at one of the last Ft. Washington shows I attended. The dealer had the cards in his case and I asked to see them, so I could check fo r those last few grays I needed. He told me as he handed it to me, "It's a complete set." So I turn the stack over and they were ALL gray backs, so I bought the whole thing for those last few cards I needed. I don't know how I ended up with so many white backs,but between the two, I have a pretty go! od jump on a complete set. >>> A couple things I was wondering about that Wes' story brought up. Howmuch of the vintage catalog do we have as a group? I mean, other than 19thcentury cards, we probably have a decent percentage of what's out there among the 150 of us, no? A lot of our collections are redundant, but I think most of us have some obscure or rare cards that not a lit of others have. >>> I wish I could've been a fly on the wall when Wes was explaining likea giddy school girl to his wife how he needed two hundred bucks to buy those "stupid" baseball cards. I hope he retells the story when I see him in about a month. >>> Speaking of which, The Nats are in a month! Once I finally get everyone's stuff in the mail, I can concentrate on preparing for the show. It's the one week of vacation I mark on the calendar at work on Jan. 1st every year. I hope there's still a few guys waiting to commit to going. If you're just undecided on whether you should go or not: if you can go, you HAVE TO GO! Randy Welk is driving 3500 miles from CA for the swap, so there goes your "I'm too far away" excuse. You owe it to yourself to get there and hang out with us. >>> Here's the short list of cards. Send me your hoop lists or ask for a starter lot. If you're doing both backs, please specify. Enjoy! >>> Ken M >>> FOOTBALL >>> 1979? Fleer 16 47 >>> BASKETBALL >>> 1977-78 Topps* (about 150 asst.) >>> Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:08:49 -0400 Subject: The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find From: "Bob Donaldson" You ever dreamed of just walking into a find of BB Cards (card actually). Well it happened to me. Was walking up my street at the end of my morning walk with my dog Penny and what did I see staring up from me from the sidewalk but a 1976 Hostess Al Fitzmorris! My Dad always said to keep your eyes on the ground when walking in case you see money on the ground. Sage advice Dad! ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:10:56 -0400 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find [1 Attachment] From: Jimi Thayer Is it your own card that you dropped yesterday when walking your dog? Lol Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:08 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Bob Donaldson included below] > You ever dreamed of just walking into a find of BB Cards (card actually).Well it happened to me. Was walking up my street at the end of my morning walk with my dog Penny and what did I see staring up from me from the sidewalk but a > 1976 Hostess Al Fitzmorris! > My Dad always said to keep your eyes on the ground when walking in case you see money on the ground. Sage advice Dad! > Thanks > Bob ================= To: "'Jimi Thayer'" Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:16:30 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find [1 Attachment] From: "Bob Donaldson" Nope, mine is still in the binder. I do plan on asking the lady who lives at the house where I found it if it is hers, next time I see her. From: Jimi Thayer [mailto:jimivintage@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:11 AM To: Bob Donaldson Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find [1 Attachment] Is it your own card that you dropped yesterday when walking your dog? Lol Sent from my iPhone On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:08 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: [Attachment(s) from Bob Donaldson included below] You ever dreamed of just walking into a find of BB Cards (card actually). Well it happened to me. Was walking up my street at the end of my morning walk with my dog Penny and what did I see staring up from me from the sidewalk but a 1976 Hostess Al Fitzmorris! My Dad always said to keep your eyes on the ground when walking in case yousee money on the ground. Sage advice Dad! ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 11:31:29 -0400 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find From: Jimi Thayer You mean you don't usually walk around the neighborhood with your dog sorting through your Hostess cards!? ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:16 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Nope, mine is still in the binder. I do plan on asking the lady who lives at the house where I found it if it is hers, next time I see her. > From: Jimi Thayer [mailto:jimivintage@yahoo.com] > Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 11:11 AM > To: Bob Donaldson > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find [1 Attachment] > Is it your own card that you dropped yesterday when walking your dog? Lol > Jimi > Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 30, 2016, at 11:08 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Bob Donaldson included below] > You ever dreamed of just walking into a find of BB Cards (card actually).Well it happened to me. Was walking up my street at the end of my morning walk with my dog Penny and what did I see staring up from me from the sidewalk but a > 1976 Hostess Al Fitzmorris! > My Dad always said to keep your eyes on the ground when walking in case you see money on the ground. Sage advice Dad! > Thanks > Bob ================= To: Bob Donaldson Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 10:36:34 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The Great Arlington MA BB Card Find From: Aaron Shirley "Ma'am, if you're just throwing them away, I would give them a loving home." > I do plan on asking the lady who lives at the house where I found it if it is hers, next time I see her.=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 15:52:22 +0000 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nick's Question on baseball vintage owned by all From: Matthew Glidden Thanks George, that's a great way to arrive at a number. In that case, I'll estimate owning 17,589 cards. My yearly goal becomes evaluating how close I really am to that total. :-) On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:31 AM 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > As to the total single vintage baseball cards owned aggregately by OBCers, > the number is 51,236. > You might wonder how I came up with this number. > When Jefferson Burdick wrapped up his baseball card collecting in 1960, he > had about 30,000 of the 43,000 baseball cards issued through 1960. So even > the Sultan of Cardboard only batted about .700. > There are about 110,000 vintage baseball singles through 1980. The > collector with the most vintage baseball that I know has about 43,000 > singles and has probably exhausted most of the findable sets. There are > some less expensive obscure regionals, that some of us have which will help > our aggregate numbers, but I feel the other cards we own above and beyond > the 43,000 are pretty old and expensive. Therefore the quantities are not > great. > I have offered advice to OBCers in figuring out how many cards they have > for the set recognition levels. One of my last suggestions is to just make > up a number that sounds believable. That=E2=99s how I came up with the51,236. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 19:36:36 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nick's Question on baseball vintage owned by all of OBC From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Right now, just in set building, I'm at 17,376, Haven't done all my basketball and hockey sets. Then there are the Brooklyn Dodgers set which is probably a hundred or so, because I don't have them in sets (I guess the Knicks, Nets, Rangers and Jets sets need to be added also for the same reasons). At least I have passed the Mendoza line (which I have tabbed as 2,000- it fits :-) )... If we count master sets (with variations), well, I'd have to look that up, would add a ton more to the mix. Chasing those (to me) is a set unto themselves (and a few others LOL). Do we have a number of total Topps cards there are? My approx total is 17,581 of which I have 14,808. We need a checklist made of the sets (not the cards in them) and the set Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 6/30/2016 11:52:38 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks George, that's a great way to arrive at a number. In that case, I'll estimate owning 17,589 cards. My yearly goal becomes evaluating how close I really am to that total. :-) On Thu, Jun 30, 2016 at 9:31 AM 'George Vrechek' _vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: As to the total single vintage baseball cards owned aggregately by OBCers, the number is 51,236. You might wonder how I came up with this number. When Jefferson Burdick wrapped up his baseball card collecting in 1960, he had about 30,000 of the 43,000 baseball cards issued through 1960. So even the Sultan of Cardboard only batted about .700. There are about 110,000 vintage baseball singles through 1980. The collector with the most vintage baseball that I know has about 43,000 singles has probably exhausted most of the findable sets. There are some less expensive obscure regionals, that some of us have which will help our aggregate numbers, but I feel the other cards we own above and beyond the 43,000 are pretty old and expensive. Therefore the quantities are not great. I have offered advice to OBCers in figuring out how many cards they have for the set recognition levels. One of my last suggestions is to just make up a number that sounds believable. That=E2=99s how I came up with the 51,236. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 21:38:41 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: The Grand Finale From: Ken M Hi all,  I just got back from the 24 hour PO. Everyone's waiver claims including yesterday's are in the mail (well, technically tomorrow's mail). A rough estimate has me at nearly two full rolls of stamps, three or four boxes and nearly two dozen puffies. I really need to invest in some return address labels, as I ran out of the free ones I had laying around early on. Hopefully I'll get around to that before I decide to do something like this again in 5 years ;-)  Busy weekend coming up for me at work. One positive about the new store is that I'm not in frozen all the time, so I won't have to stock five pallets of ice (weighing 2,000 lbs. ea.) I might only have to throw one pallet. Water might be a different story though... I'm definitely going to need some rest in any case.  This is going to be the smallest waiver wire of the month, with just three cards. However, it may prove to be the most popular - some early fireworks. Not sure how I'll award these, but it will probab ly be in some random fashion. Deadline to make a claim... We'll make it 10 PM EDT tomorrow, giving you a little more than 24 hours to check your lists.   It's been a fun month. It brought me back to the days when I first started and was trying to hit the entire directory (50 names) every month. Hope everyone had as much fun as I did. Have a fun filled and safe 4th of July weekend! Ken M - I hear fireworks in the distance. Might be a fitting time to hit 'send'. BASEBALL1958 Topps* 487 Mantle AS1962 Post* 5 Mantle1960 Topps* 350 Mantle Sent from my not so smart phone.