================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 08:26:54 -0400 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAKE 1952 Topps Mantle From: Doug What if EVERYONE wrote the guy? Sent from my iPad > On Apr 30, 2016, at 11:28 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > We all know this stuff makes me nuts. If you had what you perceived was areal Mantle, that baby would get graded if I were going to sell it. It would bring in at least 5-10x what a raw would. The guy KNOWS its fake. Totally misleading. Anyone write the guy to tell him we KNOW it's a reprint? > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 4/30/2016 10:35:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > There is a picture of the back. It's obviously a distressed UV reprint - the back is originally clean and very white. It's listed as a reprint (and says it's listed as a reprint in the description), but that's apparently been overlooked by more than one bidder. The shady part is the use of the words "if it's real" in the description. Unfortunately, PT Barnum was right, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Sat, Apr 30, 2016 9:52 PM > To: uthminsta@hotmail.com;obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAKE 1952 Topps Mantle > A rating of 4 and does not accept refunds. No picture of the back. An ungraded Mantle. How many red flags can there be??? > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: obc-ramblings > > Sent: Sat, Apr 30, 2016 9:22 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAKE 1952 Topps Mantle > This drives me crazy. Look at this piece of crap. I mean the seller, not the > Look at this on eBay > 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle > Aaron > Sent from my iPhone > Posted by: mikesportsfan@aol.com > . ================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 19:55:06 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Anyone collecting 1972 OPC? From: Patrick Prickett Hi All, Have a few extra 1972 OPCs (and most are in vg-ex, extype shape - so maybe upgrades for folks?). Anyone need any of these:12, 28, 45, 77, 111, 179, 190, 235, 244, 249, 257 Pleasedo me a favor and include your address when you claim them. ================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 15:44:40 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Rittenberg update From: Steve Rittenberg My wife was discharged Wednesday. As part of outpatient care, she gets her blood checked regularly. Thursday, Friday, then today (Sunday). We've been told that tomorrow she might be cleared to go back to Alabama. Oh by. She insists on a 2-day trip with a "convenient" stop at a casino. She has elderly relatives in Pensacola so I'm stuck giving in. The way we do it, making the drive in two days doesn't split anything in two. Just prolongs it. The plan is to stay a week at home before another drive back here from more chemotherapy. Maybe I can convince her to fly herself and I drive myself... After that round of chemotherapy, possibly another trip back home before we return for the bone marrow transplant process. Long distance medical care sucks. The situation sucks as a whole. It's incredibly difficult to get adjusted to always changing I had planned on mailing out a lot of cards while here. Boy, did I fail there. Instead, I get home and sit in front of the tv. That's been the routine 7 days a week for about 5 weeks. Wake up, go to hospital. Stay until 5 or 6. Come back here, eat dinner and watch tv. Now that Gina is home, its a little easier. We get back around 3pm and nap. I wake up at 5, she wakes up much later (8 or 10 or 12). That length of a nap is not unheard of for her. People have asked for my address here. I still need to update my WLs before it makes sense to receive cards here. Plus we are going home for a bit. I've purchased and received a few cards while here. Unfortunately, I'm waiting for a 1952 Bowman Large Frank Gifford that I purchased on ebay from a guy in Canada. Fair price for the card but the waiting is a chore. Maybe its time to check in with the dealer. I hope he purchased tracking on the package. More later. Attached is some cheese to go with this whine. Steve Rittenberg ================= Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 23:31:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Anyone collecting 1972 OPC? From: Patrick Prickett Hi All, On Sunday, May 1, 2016 12:55 PM, Patrick Prickett Hi All, Have a few extra 1972 OPCs (and most are in vg-ex, extype shape - so maybe upgrades for folks?). Anyone need any of these:12, 28, 45, 77, 111, 179, 190, 235, 244, 249, 257 Pleasedo me a favor and include your address when you claim them. ================= Date: 01 May 2016 19:45:00 -0700 To: Subject: Westchester Show and 1970-1971 Topps Baseball Needs From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 03:49:26 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: On Sunday, you have to watch out for the UV waivers... From: chris tripler another box of stuff getting unpacked tonight and some goodies for anyone who wants them...FCFS/address please * 2, 1988 O-Pee-Chee (mint condition) Hockey Sticker Yearbooks (made in Canada)* 1974-75 Boston Celtics Team Photo (8x11), originally sold at the department store "Bradlees"* 1983 Fleer uncut sheets (8x11, made for Hobby NewsDec. 1982) includes Rod Carew & Dusky Baker, several copies, so don't be shy* 1982 Fleer Logo Sticker & Stamp Album w/ cello pack of 72 stamps* 1987 Drake's Big Hitters, 7th Annual Collector's Edition (with Von Hayes & Canseco)* 1974 Topps Football Wrapper* 1970's Golden State Warriors 14 sticker/decal; looks to be rarer edition with all yellow background* 1981 Fleer Sticker Pack (unopened)* Minor league team packs: 1993 AAA Rochester Red Wings (Affiliate of Orioles); 1989 NY-Penn League Elmira Pioneers (were part of Boston Red Sox affiliate at the time); 1988 Pacific Coast League Portland Team Set; handful of misc. minor league but includes Royce Clayton, Roberto Kelley, Ryan Klesko, Todd Hundley, Ray Lankford,*1979 Sportscaster Digest No. 2, June 8-July 5. Billy Martin yelling at ump cover (of course). Enjoy, gentlemen! ================= Date: 01 May 2016 20:57:36 -0700 To: Subject: Re: 52 Topps Mantle From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 06:17:50 -0400 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, yahoogroups Subject: Re: On Sunday, you have to watch out for the UV waivers... From: chris tripler Damn it, I did it again, supposed to be on UV server. My apologies, again :( (I'm on like triple secret probation at this point) OBC '15 Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2016, at 12:20 AM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > A lot of that seems fun, but... DRAKE'S!!! I love Drake's! > Oh yeah. I'm supposed to be a role model here, haha, since I'm on the Advisory Committee, so I should also tell you that this should be posted on the UV server, not Ramblings. > As always, tho, cool stuff. > Aaron ================= To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" , Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 12:48:12 +0000 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 52 Topps Mantle From: Jim <233_23555@msn.com> Any speculation why it sold so low? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 20:57:36 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 52 Topps Mantle $104,000. Just ended. 1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle New York Yankees RC Rookie HOF High# SGC 84 NM 1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle New York Yankees... in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 10:17:55 -0400 To: Jim <233_23555@msn.com> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 52 Topps Mantle From: Andy Huntoon I would guess it was the venue. Perhaps it would've been higher in a major auction Sent from my iPhone > On May 2, 2016, at 8:48 AM, Jim 233_23555@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Any speculation why it sold so low? > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 20:57:36 -0700 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 52 Topps Mantle > $104,000. Just ended. > 1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle New York Yankees RC Rookie HOF High# SGC 84NM > 1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle New York Yankees ... > in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 23:38:32 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 52 Topps Mantle From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I hope they all get sold lower. That last Mantle spike made it even harder to find a 52B :-( Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/2/2016 8:49:14 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Any speculation why it sold so low? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 20:57:36 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 52 Topps Mantle $104,000. Just ended. _1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle New York Yankees RC Rookie HOF High# SGC 84 NM 7_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/371606153748) (http://www.ebay.com/itm/371606153748) _1952 Topps #311 Mickey Mantle New York Yankees ... _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/371606153748) in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball _View on www.ebay.com _ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/371606153748) Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 17:40:22 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Waivers From: LAWRENCE TIPTON starter set 1960 Topps football 8 diff 132 in set starter set 1963 Fleer baseball 9 diff 66 in set ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wantlist Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 20:22:45 -0500 Subject: GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! From: Aaron Shirley GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from a benevolent OBCer! COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES (only $2 more) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - All shirt colors and designs are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We need to shoot for at least 50 shirts. With more options this year, hopefully that won't be a problem. - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering a few additional shirts for future members. - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. Larger sizes MAY be available; please - Payment by check, money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - Funds must be received by July 1st. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 00:16:21 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] My Sox are falling and the Sank Exchange From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LMAOOOOOOO Well, there goes that quote! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/3/2016 12:54:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, uthminsta@hotmail.com writes: Beethoven can't really be great because his picture isn't on a bubble gum card. =E2=94 Charles Schulz ================= Date: 04 May 2016 04:41:44 -0700 To: Subject: 1953 Mantle From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 06:49:50 -0500 To: "bskp1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle From: Jay Tysver I sent this to the seller... He has multiples of the rarest, most valuable cards and says they are from an estate sale. He can prove that to the feds for all I care... Going to report you to EBay, and if necessary to Postal inspectors for postal fraud. these are not unknowns, they are reprints. One does not have a cache of multiples of the rarest cards which are all distressed. And they arenot from an estate sale. If so, it will be yours to prove to the feds thatit was. Either list them all as reprints which are distressed or I will goto the postal inspector for fraud, which is a federal offense. On May 4, 2016, at 6:41 AM, "bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Is it a reprint? > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > US $0.01 Acceptable in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 06:50:39 -0500 To: "bskp1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle From: Jay Tysver Reported him to EBay, sent him the following message... Going to report you to EBay, and if necessary to Postal inspectors for postal fraud. these are not unknowns, they are reprints. One does not have a cache of multiples of the rarest cards which are all distressed. And they arenot from an estate sale. If so, it will be yours to prove to the feds thatit was. Either list them all as reprints which are distressed or I will goto the postal inspector for fraud, which is a federal offense. On May 4, 2016, at 6:41 AM, "bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Is it a reprint? > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > US $0.01 Acceptable in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 10:57:38 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle From: Ken M He also has not one, but TWO T206 Wagners and a Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back on eBay - among other stuff. I should offer to trade something I picked up myself at an estate sale the other day - the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Wed, May 4, 2016 7:41 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle Is it a reprint? 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE US $0.01 Acceptable in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo Posted by: bskp1@aol.com The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group New Members 1 ================= Date: 04 May 2016 08:05:48 -0700 To: Subject: Condition question From: miglasser@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 11:11:59 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Ken M I go for the sharp corners as long as it isn't miscut. But with some of the cards on my list, I'd rather find one that's off center AND has round corners... maybe a few creases added in too. For affordability... Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, May 4, 2016 11:05 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Condition question So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners?That is the quandry.Mike ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 10:19:45 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle From: Jay Tysver After showing him what constitutes mail fraud and the penalties, he thankedme and changed his listings to call it a reprint. Jay Tysver > On May 4, 2016, at 9:57 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > He also has not one, but TWO T206 Wagners and a Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb backon eBay - among other stuff. I should offer to trade something I picked upmyself at an estate sale the other day - the deed to the Brooklyn Bridge. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > b>From: bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Wed, May 4, 2016 7:41 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle > Is it a reprint? > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > US $0.01 Acceptable in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo > Posted by: bskp1@aol.com > VISIT YOUR GROUP > New Members 1 ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 19:14:52 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Fw: Published Article for Sports Collector's Digest From: chris tripler sorry if this is a double post, but it didn't show up in my inbox (like most of my postings do)...I hope you find this interesting. On Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:49 AM, chris tripler wrote: When I was hitting the Hall's Nostalgia warehouse close out in February, Ihad an opportunity to talk with David Hall about the history of his family's business. He gave me an opportunity to interview him, and my wife and I wrote this article for SCD (below). It was so much fun, and I'm looking into writing a couple more articles in the future...Enjoy, OBC! Trip 40 Years in the Business, Hall's Nostalgia Has Seen and Been Through it Allin the Hobby | Sports Collectors Digest | | 40 Years in the Business, Hall's Nostalgia Has Seen and Been Through it Allin the Hobby | Sports Collectors Digest 40 years of serving the hobby: Hall's Nostalgia has ridden the Hobby=E2=99s roller coaster, becoming a fixture on... | | ================= Date: 04 May 2016 12:35:58 -0700 To: Subject: I am in awe and humbled From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:21:03 -0400 To: Jay Tysver Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle From: Joel Freedman Most buyers think they are buying antiqued reprints. Surely is a reprint. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&useridbubbydude&ftabFeedbackAsSeller On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:50 AM, Jay Tysver JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Reported him to EBay, sent him the following message... > Going to report you to EBay, and if necessary to Postal inspectors for > postal fraud. these are not unknowns, they are reprints. One does not have > a cache of multiples of the rarest cards which are all distressed. And they > are not from an estate sale. If so, it will be yours to prove to the feds > that it was. Either list them all as reprints which are distressed or I > will go to the postal inspector for fraud, which is a federal offense. > JAY > On May 4, 2016, at 6:41 AM, "bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Is it a reprint? > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > > [image: image] > > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > > US $0.01 Acceptable in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 11:15:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Great question! I have always been a centering guy. I like to display the cards in binders, and off center cards look bad, Corner sharpness and even creases are not nearly as big of a deal. I think that I am a minority in the collecting world (though maybe not in OBC) with that idea, though. I see a TON of cards listed as "Ex-Mt o/c" which to me is "Vg at best" while you never see "Ex-Mt bent in half" which, depending on the crease mark, is virtually indistinguishable in the binder. Sam Taylor On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great > centering with no great corners? > That is the quandry. > Mike Sam Taylor ================= Date: Wed, 04 May 2016 11:11:59 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Ken M I go for the sharp corners as long as it isn't miscut. But with some of the cards on my list, I'd rather find one that's off center AND has round corners... maybe a few creases added in too. For affordability... Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, May 4, 2016 11:05 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Condition question So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners?That is the quandry.Mike ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:15:52 -0400 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Joel Freedman My vote is centering and dinged corners over off center and nice corners. A centered card in my opinion is more asteticly pleasing. On Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Great question! > I have always been a centering guy. I like to display the cards in > binders, and off center cards look bad, Corner sharpness and even creases > are not nearly as big of a deal. I think that I am a minority in the > collecting world (though maybe not in OBC) with that idea, though. I see a > TON of cards listed as "Ex-Mt o/c" which to me is "Vg at best" while you > never see "Ex-Mt bent in half" which, depending on the crease mark, is > virtually indistinguishable in the binder. > Sam Taylor > On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > > > wrote: >> So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great >> centering with no great corners? >> That is the quandry. >> Mike > -- > Sam Taylor ================= To: "'Joel Freedman'" , Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 18:18:24 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: "Bob Donaldson" I agree, centering is key. Dinged corners less so From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 6:16 PM To: Samuel E. Taylor Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question My vote is centering and dinged corners over off center and nice corners. A centered card in my opinion is more asteticly pleasing. On Wednesday, May 4, 2016, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Great question! I have always been a centering guy. I like to display the cards in binders,and off center cards look bad, Corner sharpness and even creases are not nearly as big of a deal. I think that I am a minority in the collecting world (though maybe not in OBC) with that idea, though. I see a TON of cards listed as "Ex-Mt o/c" which to me is "Vg at best" while you never see "Ex-Mt bent in half" which, depending on the crease mark, is virtually indistinguishable in the binder. Sam Taylor On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 11:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? That is the quandry. Sam Taylor ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 17:33:51 -0500 To: miglasser@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: OBC Nick P I've been enjoying all of the answers to this question. Some people leaning one way, some people leaning the other. It appears the most correct answer is YES! Nick Pelletier > On May 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? > That is the quandry. > Mike ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 15:53:58 -0700 To: "miglasser@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Stamper Centering over corners!! John Stamper On May 4, 2016, at 8:05 AM, "miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? > That is the quandry. > Mike ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 10:49:50 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Published Article for Sports Collector's Digest From: chris tripler When I was hitting the Hall's Nostalgia warehouse close out in February, I had an opportunity to talk with David Hall about the history of his family's business. He gave me an opportunity to interview him, and my wife and I wrote this article for SCD (below). It was so much fun, and I'm looking intowriting a couple more articles in the future...Enjoy, OBC! Trip 40 Years in the Business, Hall's Nostalgia Has Seen and Been Through it Allin the Hobby | Sports Collectors Digest | | 40 Years in the Business, Hall's Nostalgia Has Seen and Been Through it Allin the Hobby | Sports Collectors Digest 40 years of serving the hobby: Hall's Nostalgia has ridden the Hobby=E2=99s roller coaster, becoming a fixture on... | | ================= Date: 04 May 2016 13:40:56 -0700 To: Subject: Re: GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 21:43:18 -0400 To: Denise Mead Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Doug DeJong Handed written "Traded" with the new team versus paper hole punches. On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:17 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > drawn on mustaches over paper loss on the back stats! > On 05/04/16, Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]< > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Centering over corners!! > John Stamper > On May 4, 2016, at 8:05 AM, "miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great > centering with no great corners? > That is the quandry. > Mike ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 21:54:25 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Time out ... From: Kent Mother-in-law passed away in November last year right before the Thanksgiving holiday. The holidays were not the same as she was the life of all parties when she was present. It took us (the wife, daughter , and brother-in-laws until last month to clear and clean out mother-in-laws house. So, we had an estate sale last week and got rid of all the furniture and whatever else had been in the house. Plus, we have had two real estates agents come in to assess the house. So, now we have to deal with selling the house. Also, in the past month we had our house exterior walls insulated. It seems brick house built in the sixties were not insulated in this part of the country. Which I don't understand with the way winters are here. Supposedely brick was supposed retain heat was the thought. I beg to disagree as we froze our asses off during colder winters. Also, had a fan installed in the main bathroom and as you get older you know you need one the bathroom. LOL. So,the process is drill holes through the walls to blow insulation in. Well, it is a messy process. So, we had to move furniture, etc. around to allow the drilling to be done. It took a week to completely do the process. Once, that was done we had to paint every single room. Once the painting was done, I embarked on for the last week pulling cards and getting them ready for the post office. I sent out the first batch today and am finishing up the remainder for the post offfice tonight. I plan on downsizing my collection this year. So, many of my basketball, football, and hockey dups will be passed on to the lucky few as well as some selling on eBay or other auction sites. I will also try to update my wantlist and will update it for 1965 and 1969 Topps football sets (2nd sets) as they are my favorite sets. Now for the time out subject. We (the wife, daughter and son-in-law) are heading down to Florida for some R&R on St. George Island for a week starting next Monday. Pre-packing already - sunglasses, sun screen, swimsuit, shorts, teeshirts, sandals, check. Okay, okay enough rambling. ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 21:55:04 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en What if it's not hand written? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/4/2016 9:43:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Handed written "Traded" with the new team versus paper hole punches. On Wed, May 4, 2016 at 7:17 PM, _hoot_owl1@verizon.net_ (mailto:hoot_owl1@verizon.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: drawn on mustaches over paper loss on the back stats! On 05/04/16, Stamper _holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com_ (mailto:holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings]<_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Centering over corners!! John Stamper On May 4, 2016, at 8:05 AM, "_miglasser@aol.com_ (mailto:miglasser@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? That is the quandry. ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 08:53:01 -0700 To: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Mantle From: Rick My vote reprint Sent from my iPad > On May 4, 2016, at 4:41 AM, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Is it a reprint? > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > 1953 TOPPS #82 MICKEY MANTLE > US $0.01 Acceptable in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 20:40:09 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I am leaning with Ken on this one. I'd rather have a 95/5 with nice corners. Many times it really depends on the card. So any of you guys with an center 59 Gibson, I'll take that disgusting O/C off your hands :D .. And Sam, I agree, I SO hate when I see NM O/C in a listing. That O/C is why its not NM or even EX. "My 52 Mantle is NM O/C Creased down his face, 12 corners (8 rounded), with a smidgen of paper loss on the back (like Nick's skinned hockey!)". Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/4/2016 6:34:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I've been enjoying all of the answers to this question. Some people leaning one way, some people leaning the other. It appears the most correct answer is YES! Nick Pelletier _Nachobcards@yahoo.com_ (mailto:Nachobcards@yahoo.com) On May 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, _miglasser@aol.com_ (mailto:miglasser@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? That is the quandry. ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 02:37:49 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Waiver Wire Wednesday...very light offerings this week. From: chris tripler Should improve next week after finals are over (though I have another carload of cards to pick up Monday...)FCFS/Address * 1960T #s 5, 33* 1963 Posts #s 7, 25, 55, 103, 137* 1963T #s 80, 96, 140* 1979 OPC mini starter set #s 60, 40, 60, 61, 62, 67, 86, 97, 135, 152, 156,165, 168, 187, 214, 236, 239, 244, 245, 126, 308, 321, 363 (remember set only has 374 cards in it). ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 21:38:00 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: OBC Nick P Hey now, Those circumcised hockey are VG/EX with some back damage and some edge missing. Very few of the lot are creased. Nick Pelletier > On May 4, 2016, at 7:40 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I am leaning with Ken on this one. I'd rather have a 95/5 with nice corners. Many times it really depends on the card. So any of you guys with an off center 59 Gibson, I'll take that disgusting O/C off your hands :D .. > And Sam, I agree, I SO hate when I see NM O/C in a listing. That O/C is why its not NM or even EX. "My 52 Mantle is NM O/C Creased down his face, 12corners (8 rounded), with a smidgen of paper loss on the back (like Nick'sskinned > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 5/4/2016 6:34:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > I've been enjoying all of the answers to this question. > Some people leaning one way, some people leaning the other. > It appears the most correct answer is YES! > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com >> On May 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or greatcentering with no great corners? >> That is the quandry. >> Mike ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 22:02:29 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Time out ... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en OK First off, you need a fan in there regardless of age. I suggest using less soy sauce and hot mustard on the sushi. Second, please don't post the pics of you in a swimsuit on facebook. We have seen those knobby knees! Third, have fun and don't get too torched! 4th- so are you going to make a surprise visit to Atlantic City? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS- Let me know if you pare down those Brooklyn Dodgers! Send me that ebay ID :-) In a message dated 5/4/2016 9:54:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Mother-in-law passed away in November last year right before the Thanksgiving holiday. The holidays were not the same as she was the life of parties when she was present. It took us (the wife, daughter , and brother-in-laws until last month to clear and clean out mother-in-laws house. So, we had an estate sale last week and got rid of all the furniture and whatever else had been in the house. Plus, we have had two real estates agents comein to assess the house. So, now we have to deal with selling the house. Also, in the past month we had our house exterior walls insulated. It seems brick house built in the sixties were not insulated in this part of the country. Which I don't understand with the way winters are here. Supposedely brick was supposed retain heat was the thought. I beg to disagree as we froze our asses off during colder winters. Also, had a fan installed in the main bathroom and as you get older you know you need one the bathroom. LOL. So,the process is drill holes through the walls to blow insulation in. Well, it is a messy process. So, we had to move furniture, etc. around to allow the drilling to be done. It took a week to completely do the process. Once, that was done we had to paint every single room. Once the painting was done, I embarked on for the last week pulling cards and getting them ready for the post office. I sent out the first batch today and am finishing up the remainder for the post offfice tonight. I plan on downsizing my collection this year. So, many of my basketball, football, and hockey dups will be passed on to the lucky few as well as some sellingon eBay or other auction sites. I will also try to update my wantlist and will update it for 1965 and 1969 Topps football sets (2nd sets) as they are favorite sets. Now for the time out subject. We (the wife, daughter and son-in-law) are heading down to Florida for some R&R on St. George Island for a week starting next Monday. Pre-packing already - sunglasses, sun screen, swimsuit, shorts, teeshirts, sandals, check. Okay, okay enough rambling. ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 19:23:18 -0400 To: "miglasser@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: ShoelessWes None of it matters as long as its in your collection. Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2016, at 11:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? > That is the quandry. > Mike ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 23:31:22 +0000 Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Taylor Schock LOL. Frankenstein stitches over beards. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 7:17 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question drawn on mustaches over paper loss on the back stats! On 05/04/16, Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Centering over corners!! John Stamper On May 4, 2016, at 8:05 AM, "miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? That is the quandry. ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:04:09 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Condition question From: Glenn Codere What's the OBC take on stitching? Is one technique preferred over others? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 08:22:17 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Nate Mack I like corners personally... If I can get a card like it came out of the pack I dont care if is off centered. Off centered cards are a part of pack life! Nate Mack Sent from my iPhone > On May 4, 2016, at 6:17 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > drawn on mustaches over paper loss on the back stats! > On 05/04/16, Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Centering over corners!! > John Stamper >> On May 4, 2016, at 8:05 AM, "miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or greatcentering with no great corners? >> That is the quandry. >> Mike ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 13:48:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Taylor Schock ================= To: yahoogroups , Glenn Codere Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 13:58:19 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question [1 Attachment] From: Taylor Schock ================= To: Andy Huntoon Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 14:40:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Taylor Schock But hey, wouldn't you still prefer her off center top to bottom rather thanside to side? LOL From: Andy Huntoon Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 10:11 AM To: Taylor Schock Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question You lost right at the end when you mentioned scanning the female form top to Sent from my iPhone On May 5, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >>> I SO hate when I see NM O/C in a listing. That O/C is why its not NM oreven I see this another way. I would prefer the seller list this as "NM if not for the centering" (or something like that). I've listed cards similarly. The reason being is that it lets the buyer know that this is the ONLY reason this card is not NM, which is not always obvious even with the best of scans. And technically speaking, an O/C card can be EX with 80/20 centering. I think most people would agree though that a L/R centering issue is much more visually 'distracting' than a top bottom centering issue. My pet theory? It is because we are trained to visually scan items left to right (or right to left) rather than top to bottom (except possibly the female form), soleft to right 'oddities' jump out at us more. Think about that as you are reading this post. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 8:40 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question I am leaning with Ken on this one. I'd rather have a 95/5 with nice corners. Many times it really depends on the card. So any of you guys with an off center 59 Gibson, I'll take that disgusting O/C off your hands :D .. And Sam, I agree, I SO hate when I see NM O/C in a listing. That O/C is whyits not NM or even EX. "My 52 Mantle is NM O/C Creased down his face, 12 corners (8 rounded), with a smidgen of paper loss on the back (like Nick's skinned Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/4/2016 6:34:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com I've been enjoying all of the answers to this question. Some people leaning one way, some people leaning the other. It appears the most correct answer is YES! Nick Pelletier On May 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? That is the quandry. ================= Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 08:52:05 -0500 To: Nate Mack , hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 10:59:51 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: T-205 waiver wires From: Robert Fitts I have 2 very ugly T205s to offer. Myers and Stone. Both have heavy creases. I know that many of you out there wouldn=92t mind adding them to your collection but I=92m going to ask that only people who are actively collecting this set respond. Let=92s please give them to somebody who really can use ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 15:20:22 +0000 (UTC) To: Mark Zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: tvalacak@comcast.net I will take the punch hole over the mustache. Both are very intriguing. Having a card with either or both, always makes me think about whoever did that to the card and maybe what they were thinking. With the centering and thecorners, I guess I go centering. But really, I'm not picky there. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "Nate Mack" , "hoot owl1" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 5, 2016 8:52:05 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question It has been very interesting to see how many different preferences on this subject. My preference is....whichever is cheaper at the time Mark Z Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Nate Mack nmack03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 5/5/2016 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00) To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question I like corners personally... If I can get a card like it came out of the pack I dont care if is off centered. Off centered cards are a part of pack life! Nate Mack Sent from my iPhone On May 4, 2016, at 6:17 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: drawn on mustaches over paper loss on the back stats! On 05/04/16, Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]< OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: Centering over corners!! John Stamper On May 4, 2016, at 8:05 AM, " miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or great centering with no great corners? That is the quandry. ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 10:11:48 -0400 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Andy Huntoon You lost right at the end when you mentioned scanning the female form top to Sent from my iPhone > On May 5, 2016, at 9:48 AM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > >>> I SO hate when I see NM O/C in a listing. That O/C is why its not NM or even EX. > I see this another way. I would prefer the seller list this as "NM if notfor the centering" (or something like that). I've listed cards similarly. The reason being is that it lets the buyer know that this is the ONLY reason this card is not NM, which is not always obvious even with the best of scans. And technically speaking, an O/C card can be EX with 80/20 centering. > I think most people would agree though that a L/R centering issue is muchmore visually 'distracting' than a top bottom centering issue. My pet theory? It is because we are trained to visually scan items left to right (or right to left) rather than top to bottom (except possibly the female form), so left to right 'oddities' jump out at us more. Think about that as you are reading this post. > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Wednesday, May 4, 2016 8:40 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question > I am leaning with Ken on this one. I'd rather have a 95/5 with nice corners. Many times it really depends on the card. So any of you guys with an off center 59 Gibson, I'll take that disgusting O/C off your hands :D .. > And Sam, I agree, I SO hate when I see NM O/C in a listing. That O/C is why its not NM or even EX. "My 52 Mantle is NM O/C Creased down his face, 12corners (8 rounded), with a smidgen of paper loss on the back (like Nick'sskinned > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 5/4/2016 6:34:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > I've been enjoying all of the answers to this question. > Some people leaning one way, some people leaning the other. > It appears the most correct answer is YES! > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > On May 4, 2016, at 10:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or greatcentering with no great corners? >> That is the quandry. >> Mike ================= Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 12:32:54 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: t205 is a scott not stone From: Robert Fitts One of the cards is already claimed but I made a mistake I don=92t have Stone I have Scott on the White Sox ================= Date: Thu, 05 May 2016 14:10:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: t205 all gone From: Robert Fitts ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 18:23:49 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: OBCers who have crossed my path From: Glenn Codere Just having a look at the new Photo Gallery (great job, George!!!) and at arough count, I think I've met about 35 of the current OBC membership. Throw in former and inactive members and that total rises to nearer 50. Wow! Not bad for a guy some 3000 miles to the east of the US mainland!! GlennGlenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: Wed, 4 May 2016 20:59:30 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Postman Cometh... From: Kent Forty seven envelopes/packages went out in the mail today. I have pretty much emptied out my hockey, foothball, and basketball dups boxes. Whatever is left over will be put up as availabe at a later date. More will be going out in tomorrows mail. ================= Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 17:25:35 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 70 Venezuelan album From: Rick I pulled the trigger on the 70 Venezuelan album my connection had for sale.It doesn't have a cover but he has one in his own collection so he is sending me a copy of the front and back. First picture is the album I'm gettinglooks real rough but hey try and get one. It has a Dave Concepcion pre topps rookie card in it cards look in great shape compared to the album. He says it's missing 23 cards out of 300 excitedto get that many in one shot. The second picture is what the backs look like if not glued in the album. Third is the cover that he is photo coping soI can put it with the album. As always I cross my fingers until it gets here so far I have got everything as promised. Brings me to another topic which Venezuelan sets are topps and which aren't. This 70 set is actually cards not stickers and isn't in the SCD or Beckett so I know nothing about it hoping to learn more from the album. The backs look like the 67's which they list them as topps but many believe the 67 set isn't a topps product for many different reasons which as I learn more and more about these I'm leaning real hard towards the 67's aren't topps. After this set everything is sticker sets with albums and are just call Venezuelans not topps. Everything before these are called topps which totally makes sense except for the 67's. I think George said recently he was starting some research on the Venezuelan sets looking forward to his findings. Anyone have any input on this "run"? It's been my main focus for quite a few months now and it's coming together nicely. Rick ================= To: Date: Thu, 5 May 2016 21:25:05 -0500 Subject: Re: Condition question From: "George Vrechek" I'm a little late to the discussion, but I see merit in the card which is separated crudely so that the pieces can easily mesh back together. The next owner can use staples or tape - or just leave as-is. I think this one came to me via Rittenberg? However, we did several like these as kids including the no-name 1957T FB Sherman. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 19:38:51 -0400 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Condition question From: Mike Glasser Keep both? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD > On May 4, 2016, at 7:23 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > None of it matters as long as its in your collection. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone >> On May 4, 2016, at 11:05 AM, miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> So do you go for the card with sharp corners and less centering or greatcentering with no great corners? >> That is the quandry. >> Mike ================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 18:29:56 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle #82 Baseball Card From: Rick Anyone for a trimmed mantle? View item: 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle #82 Baseball Card End Time: May 7, 2016, 7:53:23 AM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 6 May 2016 21:52:40 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Guru visit From: Ed Pike I had the pleasure of meeting Larry Tipton in April at my house in San Francisco. It was great to meet the GURU in person (or maybe we met at an Anaheim National a decade or two ago ...) and swap stories. I appreciate the visit! I gotta say, this is the group to enable your cardboard addiction! And a short additional ramble - I sent part of my track and field collection for display at a track & field world indoor championship VIP dinner in Portland about a month ago. It was two days before the event started so I actually wasn't there in person, though I was still pleased to pull together a display. I figure that I have most of what has been produced in the US, so displaying some interesting selections is an interesting new opportunity in addition to chasing a few remaining items. Ed Pike ================= Date: 06 May 2016 22:43:42 -0700 To: Subject: FOOT to invade Pittsburgh From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 08:12:41 -0500 Subject: Rosemont Show May 14 and 15 From: "George Vrechek" Anyone thinking of coming to the Rosemont, Illinois, show next weekend? This is the same outfit (Fanatics) that just ran the March show. Their next show though isn't until November. This one is just Saturday and Sunday. Autograph guests include many current Cubs, Peyton Manning, Jabbar, etc and probably Ruth, Cobb and Gehrig (behind a screen). I plan to go on Saturday. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 09:16:41 -0400 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rosemont Show May 14 and 15 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I think the FOOT contingent will likely pass as a few of us are going to Robert Morris the following weekend. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, May 7, 2016 9:12 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rosemont Show May 14 and 15 Anyone thinking of coming to the Rosemont, Illinois, show next weekend? This is the same outfit (Fanatics) that just ran the March show. Their next show though isn=E2=99t until November. This one is just Saturday and Sunday. Autograph guests include many current Cubs, Peyton Manning, Jabbar, etc andprobably Ruth, Cobb and Gehrig (behind a screen). I plan to go on Saturday. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:19:33 -0500 Subject: Missing OBC Gallery Photo Wantlist From: "George Vrechek" Here is the current "wantlist" for missing OBC gallery photos. If you want to give other OBCers a clue as to what you look like, please send one or two photos as Tom Housley suggested to George Vrechek at vrechek@ameritech.net. There are also some "upgrades" needed to the gallery photos, but I'll work on the wantlist first. I'm sure there will be some crafty, paparazzi-shy members who will choose to remain on the wantlist, and therefore will have photos that become rare and scarce. Alternately, you could have your card added and then withdrawn, thereby joining the T206 Wagner and the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams cards. George Vrechek Wantlist of missing photos for OBCers Dan Angland Bill Ashton Gary Beard Steve Carter Dan Cipra Jerry Coker James Cooper Nick Covello Jim Craig Jeff Delott Mike Diamanti Michael Dillon Alvin Edwards Dave Fallen Joel Glickman Ken Goetsch Erik Greenwood Greg Henthorn Ron Hoehne Peter Iversen Rick Keating Earl Kilbourn Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Nate Mack John McLaughlin Matt Meister Greg Miller James Moleta Howard Morgan Jeffrey and Michael Newman Chuck Paris Ed Pike Patrick Prickett Dave Purdham Richard Robinson Mike Rumley-Wells Bob Saxton Sean Schuettpelz Jim Silva Jeff Sinclair Geno Wagner Brandon Wax Randy Welk Jeff Whitworth Matt Yudt Larry Zurawski ================= To: , Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 10:24:05 -0500 Subject: Chris Tripler's Hall article From: "George Vrechek" I had a chance to read Chris Tripler's article for SCD on Hall's Nostalgia, a nice story that covers the history of their involvement in the hobby. Their back page ad was a fixture with SCD for years. I need some company on the OBC library page, if Chris wants to send a pdf of the article to Joe Isaac to post. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 20:57:41 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1969 Topps football "mini albums" stamps From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I bought several albums today ($5 total) at our local show that included some of the single =E2=9Cmini-cards=E2=9D in the albums. The albums arereally rough, but the cards inside are nice. LMK if you have a wantlist for this set that I can look at. I looked at a few members lists and couldn=E2=99t find anyone (except TJ) who is collecting the set. Again these are the 1969 football mini albums and cards. ================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 14:19:26 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: The Postman Cometh... From: Kent Twenty six packages out yesterday and twenty two SCPs and DCPs and more envelops out today. I have lots leftover and will continue after I get back from vacation in Florida. Enjoy all, ================= Date: Sat, 7 May 2016 14:50:08 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1969 Topps football "mini-albums" singles From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I bought a stack of the 1969 Topps football =E2=9Cmini-albums=E2=9D today. The albums are in bad shape, but the =E2=9Cmini cards=E2=9D inside are pretty nice. I found three hits for TJ, but who else collects this set so I can look at your list? ================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 00:28:15 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Thanks From: Yahoo Thanks to Jimi Thayer for the hits to my 59 topps You must have known I was thinking about the other 59's you had for sale, and sent these to kick start my heart!. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 13:31:14 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-dealerscum@yahoogroups.com, Subject: A Plea for Help From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Happy Mother=E2=99s Day to all the mothers and everyone who has a motherout Let me apologize in advance if some members find this email inappropriate. It is certainly not meant to be. As most of you know, I am involved in a campaign for the 11th District seat in the Illinois House of Representatives. Most of you may not know that our state has been without a budget for almost two years, and it is unlikely that one will get passed prior to the election in early November. Since most OBC=E2=99ers don=E2=99t live in Illinois, you may ask, what does this have to do with us? The underfunded pension liability issue has become so big in so many states, that the Federal government is considering passing a bill to provide relief. Illinois, unfortunately, has the lowest funding percentage of all fifty states. With cut backs in Federal support for states, property tax increases have become the norm in most major cities. Illinois just passed New Jersey as having the highest property tax rates in the country. In addition, we have the highest personal and corporate income tax rates in the region, and in the top 20% in the country. Finally, no one can boast a 10.25% sales tax rate like we can in Chicago! I have spent 35 years working with clients on how to establish and maintain a budget, how to carefully use debt, including credit cards, and how save for major purchases instead of needing instant gratification. It is this experience and expertise that I am trying to bring to Springfield. Another fact of life is that campaigns cost money. We are running a fairly bare bones campaign, yet we expect that it will cost about $150,000 to even be competitive. We are generating very positive buzz about our campaign now, but money talks. While we have already raised over $41,000, we are far from our goal. My opponent, who has run unopposed since 2010, has been padding her war chest since that time. As of March 31, she had about $90,000 in the bank. When I send out cards to OBCers, such as the 200 hits to 1970 lists I sent out last month for example, most folks can not hit me back. Admittedly, I have a very tough list, with the 1919 Zeenut set the easiest of all of them to hit these days. While I enjoy sending out cards, I can count on both hands the number of needed hits I have received since the 2014 National. So today, I am asking those of you who could not hit my lists, or those of you who's charitable ventures I have supported in the past, of those of you who are just plain interested, to support my campaign with a monetary donation of any size. In exchange for your contribution, if you ask me to,I will try my hardest to send hits to your want list equal to the value of your contribution. Please check out my website at www.MandellForStateRep.com. You can find out all about the important issues I am running on, and if you choose to, you can donate online via an encrypted site using your credit card. It gets passed through the PayPal system (although no PayPal account is required, and I do not see your credit card information) and ends up in our campaign funds. If you want to pay be check, you can do so as well, although I will need to email you a form. Just let me know. For those of you who have gotten this far, I appreciate your time, and I hope that you will support our campaign to save our dying state. Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 ================= To: OBC Ramblings , OBC National Date: Sun, 8 May 2016 22:14:42 -0500 Subject: RE: GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! From: Aaron Shirley After a few days, my count is 18 shirts ordered. Not bad, but still a ways to go. Step right up, folks! Remember to include your shirt COLOR and SIZE with your order! Shirts will be mailed to the address on the website, unless you specify otherwise. So it's not necessary to include your address with your order. Thanks OBC Aaron Shirley From: uthminsta@hotmail.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com; uvlist@yahoogroups.com; obc-national@yahoogroups.com; obc-ac@yahoogroups.com Subject: GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! Date: Tue, 3 May 2016 20:22:45 -0500 GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from a benevolent OBCer! COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES (only $2 more) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - Shirts are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton except safety orange which is 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We need to shoot for at least 50 shirts. With more options this year, hopefully that won't be a problem. - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering a few additional shirts for future members. - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. Larger sizes MAY be available; please - Payment by check, money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - Funds must be received by July 1st. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 14:54:23 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Starting Nine Wantlist 1957-80 From: Robert Fitts Many of you may know that besides my sets, I collect the usual starting 9 players from every team since 1957. I=92ve spent the last week going through my binders and up dating my want list. I found a large number of commonsthat I still need. Any help would be greatly appreciated and, of course, I=92ll shoot back if I can rob fitts 4418 Waldo ave bronx YY 10471 Starting Nine Want List 1957 : 10 20 26 30 45 47 55 80 90 102 110 115 132 150 156 165 170 182 190 201 210 212 220 230 246 250 253 271 274 278 303 309 325 373 1958 : 5 8 15 23 30 33 47 69 70 86 92 95 105 110 117 140 166 167 185 190 196 198 270 318 350 355 368 375 390 406 1959 : 32 40 50 65 79 84 102 150 165 225 290 337 350 365 380 425 435 450 480 490 495 502 1960 : 1 47 74 88 100 198 234 240 255 295 299 300 395 428 445 475 490 493 495 500 506 520 550 1961 : 1 10 95 126 150 230 294 355 357 363 388 400 415 422 430 461 465 524 528 534 549 555 557 559 562 1962 : 30 34 68 80 100 133 148 170 176 193 208 213 215 218 222 225 268 275 298 320 345 350 389 420 422 425 445 450 452 460 486 491 508 565 590 1963 : 27 30 41 77 85 112 123 185 197 205 250 285 300 305 310 320 325 353 380 384 388 390 415 430 437 462 472 488 495 502 505 513 520 532 545 1964 : 60 70 88 103 210 260 310 467 475 490 494 514 559 570 577 1965 : 10 27 43 55 100 130 163 170 176 183 190 207 224 250 252 275 294 295 320 360 380 415 447 474479 500 510 528 540 564 1966 : 13 43 57 77 120 134 190 240 255 320 327 330 345 388 400 408 410 429 450 500 522 535 541 545 550 557 580 590 1967 : 30 111 218 230 257 363 383 400 410 430 457 505 525 528 535 546 572 580 590 600 605 1968 : 25 50 159 180 233 240 250 257 330 329 355 360 387 399 400 430 520 533 1969 : 85 95 105 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 475 540 630 640 664 1970 : 55 138 230 410 428 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 1971 : 14 40 75 100 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 413 466 470 478 492580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 1972 : 179 250 286 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 1973 : 38 52 130 155 156 230 235 255 260 275 295 335 337 360 380 423 455 456 547 554 625 1974 : 28 79 80 103 130 132 141 155 234 245 264 291 311 312 319 325 345 354380 392 394 420 495 510 629 1975 : 23 45 91 93 121 140 170 186 244 253 375 376 390 440 486 535 570 641 1976 : 48 128 222 have poor 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 1977 : 70 170 305 359 485 505 565 635 1978 : 10 15 16 60 128 159 168 175 200 335 346 350 440 485 500 620 630 668 690 1979 : 60 75 250 310 335 465 546 595 637 648 694 1980 : 18 165 176 187 310 383 389 615 625 635 1990 : 107 305 345 420 592 ================= Date: 09 May 2016 19:42:57 -0700 To: Subject: Anyone collecting Sugar Daddy From: miglasser@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 09 May 2016 23:14:43 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: May-ward Ramble From: Ken M Greetings gang,  Been a while since I posted an update of things going on and other random thoughts, so grab a comfy seat if you're so inclined...   One of the drawbacks to the recent contract settlement at work was that once things settle in that regard, the company starts to make changes elsewhere. The stores on The Cape and the islands (Martha's Vineyard and Nantucket) get busier during the summer. Full time workers are sent south and their places are filled in with full timers from the stores further north. I was one of the unlucky ones to fill in this year again. I was picked last year too, but the store in South Boston I was supposed to go to A) had no idea I was coming and B) had two people file grievances with the union about the move. It fell through and I stayed in Danvers for another year. This time things were better planned and I have just finished my first week in N. Quincy. Now instead of a 13 mile drive north, I'm heading 13 miles south. No difference looki ng at it on a map EXCEPT the new route goes through Boston. My 20 minute commute to Danvers (against the morning traffic) is now anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour. (Plus I get to pay a toll to sit in that traffic.) The commute home is even worse, starting at an hour - and on my days I pick up the kids in Lynn, double that... But at least the toll is only one way.    They wanted to transfer me after this week to the South Quincy store, but that's being held up for now (grievances). Worst part is that I was replaced by - NOBODY. So I'll have a huge mess to fix after the summer's over - if I get sent back where I came from. On the plus side, I can pick up some OT hours in Danvers on Sundays (but only when softball is cancelled, as that has priority :-) ).  I poked around eBay tonight for the first time in a while and scored a couple t205 Polar Bear backs (Birmingham and Baker) plus the big hit: a 1950 Bowman Sam Goliat. The LAST AND FINAL 'NO COPYRIGHT' VARIATION I need!! ! The commute home next week is going to seem sooo much longer wondering if the card is sitting in my mailbox while I'm sitting in rush hour traffic.  I've been trying to organize my dupes and put some of my sets into pages and binders. These are mostly hockey sets, although I did finally find a basketball set I thought I had lost (or never put together). I did discover some gremlins in hockey sets I thought were completed some 35-40 years ago... and I'm debating starting a few more. I thought I was complete back to my birth year (Orr's rookie year), but apparently I never put together the late 60's/early 70's hockey sets. I may post those soon ...or as soon as I'm finished getting everything in sheets and binders.  It's a month into the season and the Red Sox are near the top of the division, despite a bunch of poor performances by what should be their top two starters. David Ortiz (who is notorious for slow starts) is having the best season by a 40+ year-old by a mile... making everyone wonder if he really should retire at the end of the year. Can it continue? At least this team is playing with something that's been missing for a while: passion. I sure hope they keep that going.  All right, speaking of 'keep going' - I've kept going at this long enough. Tune in again next month, which marks 20 years in OBC for me. I may start digging through the archives and data from obsolete computers for that. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 00:46:18 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Big day today From: Yahoo First I would like to thank sal domino for killing my 1975 topps with the last card #559........... And then I found out some like creatures in the night took card #'s 186,312,329,452,470,486,507,511,555,570, and 578. If youfind my cards in your dupes box please return them too me. Steve Sanker sent some hits to my 71 and 72 topps. And then I was assaulted by the man the myth the legend Kent Goto. Kent decided my 70's list were to long, and needed to be beat into submission with552 hits between 1970 and 1979. Thanks guys your awesome. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:32:06 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good From: Rick View item: 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good End Time: Jun 8, 2016, 1:29:07 PM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 08:53:30 -0400 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los From: mikesportsfan@aol.com WOW. That was fast. Sold within minutes of your e-mail, even though it was supposed to be a month listing. Great buy for whomever got it. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, May 10, 2016 8:32 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los AngelesDodgers View item: 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good End Time: Jun 8, 2016, 1:29:07 PM PDT Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 05:56:39 -0700 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good From: Rick I hope someone got it I thought of buying it then offering it up just to make sure. Anyone? Sent from my iPad > On May 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > WOW. That was fast. Sold within minutes of your e-mail, even though it was supposed to be a month listing. Great buy for whomever got it. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Tue, May 10, 2016 8:32 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good > View item: > 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good > End Time: Jun 8, 2016, 1:29:07 PM PDT > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 07:57:36 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good From: Jay Tysver I jumped on it Jay Tysver > On May 10, 2016, at 7:56 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I hope someone got it I thought of buying it then offering it up just to make sure. Anyone? > Sent from my iPad >> On May 10, 2016, at 5:53 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> WOW. That was fast. Sold within minutes of your e-mail, even though itwas supposed to be a month listing. Great buy for whomever got it. >> Mike Rich >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Tue, May 10, 2016 8:32 am >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good >> View item: >> 1958 Hires Pee Wee Reese #23 Rost Beer Los Angeles Dodgers Good >> End Time: Jun 8, 2016, 1:29:07 PM PDT >> Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wantlist Date: Tue, 10 May 2016 13:27:04 -0500 Subject: reorganization project From: Aaron Shirley Hey guys. Sit down for a bit, if you have the time. Here's my story. I've been working for a while on a major reorganization project. Seems overthe years not everything gets put away where it belongs. Am I the only onewho struggles with this? Anyhoooo, I started with the oldest cards I had, and basically got everything I could from one year together, and sifted through it with a fine-tooth comb. I took some time to enjoy them, one year at a time, and to think about my motivations for collecting what I do. Then I moved slowly forward, year by year, making sure things were sorted, combined, dupes weren't sitting around, boxes were adequately labeled, bought more sleeves and card guards,etc etc. Every time I got cards in from a generous OBC brother, they made their way into the "queue." I always tried to make at least some progress each day I could. One side-effect of this process was all my vintage "non-Topps" stuff 1909-1980, now has its own shoebox. Another side-effect was adding maybe 50 dupes to my vintage dupe box, going all the way back to 1949. That was neat; I'm pretty sure it's my oldest dupe ever. Several have already made their way to the post office since I started the project. Now I'm at a crossroads. I made it to 1980, and for various reasons had to stop the project for a while. I picked it up again last night and started putting EVERY 1980-1989 card on the dining room table. They were everywhere.Two 3200-count monster boxes, a shoebox full of Fleer stickers and Donrusspuzzles, a shoebox with Topps stickers, and all these various other containers... full of every single thing. Sorted and unsorted. Sets I love and sets I happen to have, and everything in between. And that doesn't even countall the individual set boxes, which I didn't even get out yet. And it already covers the whole table. Yes, yes, I know. That's a lot of UV stuff. Wait until I move into the 90'sthen the 00's! Don't even get me started. In my defense, I got my first cards in 1980 or 1981, I think. It was some packs of those Dukes of Hazzard cards. And I only got my first baseball cards in 1982 - when I was 7... those were K-Mart and Topps. The 82 Topps Willie Stargell is one of the first cards I distinctly remember having. So yeah. You can't really blame a 7-year-old for not thinking about vintage cards. Or his 41-year-old version for still liking the stuff he messed with when he was a kid. Isn't that what we all are doing? I have always been one of the younger members of OBC, and just by that simple fact, I know I do more with UV than many of you do. So here's what I'm going to do. As I move forward, I'm going to continue tofocus in on one year at a time. Part of the process will be to post some wants from the current year's focus on the UV server, but I'm mostly going to try to keep the dupes going out the door. Vintage dupes will be part of the process too, but there will be a lot of newer stuff to share if you'll have it. And this may take a while. One thing I'm asking is, if you have a wantlist from the year I'm working on, email it to me directly, or post it on the UV server. And if you haven't yet started a particular set, I'll sendyou what I'm calling the "starting nine" - at least 9 cards to get you going on a new set. I will prioritize a favorite team if you'd like. Just a way of slowly continuing to plow through every single card I have. So, for now, if you are working on a 1980 Topps set, send me your wantlist.If you have never built one, ask me for a starting nine. And when the nextnotice comes, be ready with those 1981 lists. And... I don't want to be a jerk about this... but don't just send me a link to your wantlist. Cut and paste the particular section of your wantlist that applies, and email that to me. You GREATLY increase your odds of getting a little something. I'm anticipating putting a LOT of work into this... surely you understand what I'm getting at. Thanks for reading this far! Don't forget to place your orders for your OBCt-shirts! Thanks OBC Aaron Shirley PS - maybe in a year or so, I will be able to post a picture of my card room. That's a serious part of my motivation for doing this! ================= Date: Wed, 11 May 2016 02:41:47 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OPC Deals (?) on Ebay From: Patrick Prickett Hi All, So I recently purchased a LOT of OPC cards from Ebay seller: opeechetoppsbaseball. His shipping charges are high at $6.48 per lot, BUT he accepted my offers when I offered 50% (and sometimes 60%) off his asking price. He combines shipping in a pretty reasonable manner (not 100% free, but given the amount of cards I got, I think the shipping was VERY reasonable). He has2 1971 OPC Nolan Ryans for sale. He would not accept my offer of $30Canadian for these two ($23.45 U.S.) but he did accept it on the third onein slightly worse condition - so I probably wasn't too far off. If you're looking for OPC, this might be a guy to check: opeechetoppsbaseball | eBay | | | | | opeechetoppsbaseball | eBay Shop eBay for great deals from opeechetoppsbaseball! | | ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 11:44:27 -0500 Subject: overpriced? From: Aaron Shirley A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back in there; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'd ask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said, "$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in twomore So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... What do you think? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 14:36:02 -0400 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en In the Fall of 2014, there was an OBC auction (I think for Renee Hair). I won a complete set of 1976 Happy Days (44 cards) and a complete set of 1976 Bionic Woman (44 cards) for $26/$27. I don't know whether Charlie's Angels would be materially higher. Best regards, In a message dated 05/12/2016 12:44:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back in there; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'd ask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said, "$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there intwo more months... So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... What do you think? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 13:03:19 -0700 To: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: Rick A few years back I bought a 400 count box stuffed of them for $10 at a shopin Arizona. Started the set and sent the dupes to TJ because he really wanted to start the set. Rick Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2016, at 11:36 AM, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > In the Fall of 2014, there was an OBC auction (I think for Renee Hair). Iwon a complete set of 1976 Happy Days (44 cards) and a complete set of 1976 Bionic Woman (44 cards) for $26/$27. I don't know whether Charlie's Angels would be materially higher. > Best regards, > Chuck > In a message dated 05/12/2016 12:44:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back inthere; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'dask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said,"$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in two more months... > So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... > What do you think? > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 16:31:21 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: Ken M Found this with some stickers mixed in... 56 in all for the same 20 buckshttp://m.ebay.com/itm/191865559388 Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Thu, May 12, 2016 12:44 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back in there; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'd ask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said, "$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in two more months... So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... What do you think? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 14:26:14 -0700 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: Stamper I can pick them up for 25 cents each from my local card store and I feel that is high. I bought a box of a couple hundred a year or so ago from a cardstore for less than five cents each. I'd let them go. He's not going to come down to any reasonable price. John Stamper On May 12, 2016, at 9:44 AM, "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back inthere; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'dask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said,"$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in two more months... > So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... > What do you think? > Aaron Shirley ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" , Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 18:10:39 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: "Bob Donaldson" I go to a lot of antique stores/thrift stores/flea markets. It seems the general rule of thumb is that any card over 10 years old has to be worth a From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 12:44 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back in there; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'd ask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said, "$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in two more months... So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... What do you think? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 12 May 2016 17:19:29 -0700 To: Subject: Hatfield, pa show From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 12 May 2016 19:04:43 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 72 opc lot From: Anthony Hello all http://www.ebay.com/itm/1972-OPC-BASEBALL-LOT-OF-206-DIFFERENT-CARDS-2-to-262-/311608422120?hashitem488d4f2ee8:g:x5kAAOSwYmZXL2-0 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 08:09:09 -0400 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com How much are the RC Cola cans? Are they baseball, football or basketball? Since I expect to be in the area in about a month, I will likely need to go look at them. Will need the address. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, May 12, 2016 12:44 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back in there; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'd ask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said, "$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in twomore So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... What do you think? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 13 May 2016 10:15:39 -0700 To: Subject: 1964 Bazooka Stamps From: welfar03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:09:16 -0400 To: welfar03@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Bazooka Stamps From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Ron Perry and I are both working on this set. Neither of us needs the Mantle. Even so, I may still be interested in acquiring the lot if they are in good condition and there are some hits to the below, including a couple of stars. Pleas let me know. My wantlist is below. 1964 Bazooka BB Stamps: Aaron Aspromonte Banks Callison Cash Clemente Clendenon Culp Davalillo Farrell Flood Gentile Gonzalez, F. Howard, A. Jackson, Kaline Mays Mazeroski McBean Monbouquette Pascual, Br. Robinson, Santo Spahn Stuart Thomas Woodeshick Yaz Mike Rich cell: 248-709-2235 -----Original Message----- From: welfar03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, May 13, 2016 1:15 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1964 Bazooka Stamps Anyone working on this set? A local antique shop has about 20 of them, including Mantle, for $100. ================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 14:54:07 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT to invade Pittsburgh From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I have not heard back from anyone on this e-mail. Ron Perry and hopefully Mark Talbot, and I, plan on the Robert Morris show next weekend, May 20 -22. Is anyone else planning on attending? We would love to have others travel with us to visit with and cut down on expenses. Please let us know. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, May 7, 2016 1:43 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT to invade Pittsburgh There is an upcoming Robert Morris show the weekend of May 20 -22. At present, Ron Perry, probably Mark Talbot and myself plan on driving down on the20th and attending the 21st and the morning of the 22nd, before heading back to Michigan. We know Sam Taylor cannot attend, but who else is planningon attending? Ed H, we can pick you up on the way if you want to join us. We also need recommendations as to what area to look for a place to stay. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 13 May 2016 22:00:05 -0400 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Recieved from Richard Labs.. From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi - is am on the road and for some reason can not access the groups. I was wondering if you could post to TB, dugout traders , and but that there is a card show in Hatfield, PA on Saturday from 10-6. It is one day only . I will be wearing my burgundy OBC shirt. I would appreciate your help. There are supposed to 100 tables with at least 16 autograph signers. Mostly Phillies. Thank you, Richard Labs I can not make it myself, saving up for the big show, The Nationals in AC in August, but I hope some of you go to the show in PA and have a great time with Richard Happy Trading, ================= Date: 14 May 2016 05:10:49 -0700 To: Subject: Braves Alert! From: 233_23555@msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 14:13:32 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Card Show Ramble From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Last week-end at our regular monthly show, I picked up a flyer for another show that was today. Local dealer Eddie, opened up a card shop in the southpart of Jacksonville. I=E2=99ve been wanting to visit (you got to support) but today was an in store card show too. So it=E2=99s my chance as Ialso need some supplies. I=E2=99ve only bought one card from Eddie overthe years, he just doesn=E2=99t have anything that I really need. The store itself is huge and he rents space out to a few other dealers. The cardshow was only 3 or 4 other guys, and guys I see every month. But I looked around and complimented Eddie on his set up. Eddie says he has some boxes in the back he hasn=E2=99t gone through which of course is always something I like to hear. Plenty of table space, air conditioned, and golf on the big screens I=E2=99ll spend all day looking through monster boxes Eddie bring em on! Most of the monster boxes were 90s junk, but I did fine some cards. I ended up with just over 100 cards. I finished my 1970 Fleer World Series set with card #3 1906 Cubs vs White Sox. Very recently I put my 1961 OBC Post Cereal baseball set in a binder, and added spots for box cards and the company cards too. So I found a hit Dick Groat company card. I also recentlyadded 1961 Nu Card Scoops and found two cards #480 the last card in the set also card #450 with Mantle. But the big find was 1972 Topps football hi number #308 Earl Morrall you guys think the 1972 baseball high numbers are hard you have no idea how tough the football hi numbers are. Anyway just twomore hi numbers and my 1972 football set is complete. I pulled 49 1971 Fleer World Series cards (black backs) and 38 Fleer 1970 World Series cards (blue backs) also a creased Fleer Baseball Famous Feats #20 Babe Ruth heavilycreased (this is a dupe who needs it?) and a few dupes Post and Jello from1963. Anyway just over 100 cards plus the =E2=9972 hi number Morrall I get all of them for $30 would have gladly paid $15 for Morrall alone I don=E2=99t care what the =E2=9CBuckett=E2=9D says LOL. Picked up twelve 800 count boxes and twelve packs of 100 count soft sleeves my checkout total was $48 but I had to pay tax too just me doing my part LOL! Anyone who is collecting the =E2=9970 and =E2=9971 Fleer World Seriescards email me and I=E2=99ll have a look at your wantlist! ================= Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 16:20:38 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1958 and 1959 Topps small waiver wire! From: Jimi Thayer Not much to see here, but here are a small few that I have in my box: 1958 Topps #31, 469 1959 Topps #142, 277, 503 Have at 'em! Please provide your address. Sent from my iPad ================= To: Date: Sat, 14 May 2016 16:34:54 -0500 Subject: Rosemont Fanatics Show Report - Bad News From: "George Vrechek" The moral is don't assume. The Fanatics organization has a two-day show this weekend in Rosemont with big name autograph guests. I assumed they would have the normal crowd of dealers. They didn't. Apparently their approach is to slim things down in Chicago except for their March and November shows. Thank goodness JD Heckathorn was there otherwise I would have wound up with one card from one dealer. I found 13 cards at JD's table. There were a three or four other vintage dealers I didn't recognize and Mr. Mint was there but it took about 10 minutes to walk the floor and about an hour to find the 14 cards. Then I was back on the street. Certainly not worth a trip from any distance. The smaller room was awful for trying to talk over the constant autograph announcements. This was not really a card show. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 07:03:35 -0500 Subject: Reprint alert From: "George Vrechek" Just in case anyone else is collecting Marshall Merrell Milwaukee Braves prints, please be aware that at least one seller (Columbia City Collectibles) continues to list reprints as the real thing on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-54-Marshall-Merrell-Portfolio-Print-Ed-Mathews- Milwaukee-Braves-8x10-/141994434369? I contacted one such seller in the past and of course got nowhere. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 10:09:28 -0400 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reprint alert From: "Thomas W. Billing" I always go through the ropes of contacting a live person at eBay to reportsuch things. At least they would be aware of the ethics violations. Tom Billing > On May 16, 2016, at 8:03 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Just in case anyone else is collecting Marshall Merrell Milwaukee Braves prints, please be aware that at least one seller (Columbia City Collectibles) continues to list reprints as the real thing on eBay. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-54-Marshall-Merrell-Portfolio-Print-Ed-Mathews-Milwaukee-Braves-= 8x10-/141994434369 ? I contacted one such seller in the past and of course got nowhere. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 14:30:38 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Exhibit reprints From: Bob Donaldson I just bought myself a big present. A 1920s or so Exhibit Machine that dispenses cards for a penny. I'd like to fill it with reprints so that I could make available to friends and family when visiting the house. Anyone have any reprints to trade or sell cheap? ================= Date: 16 May 2016 16:17:37 -0700 To: Subject: waiver wire in honor of Geno Wagner From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: 16 May 2016 16:59:20 -0700 To: Subject: Waiver Wire From: wmcashton@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 21:30:41 -0400 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" , OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibit reprints From: Bob Donaldson Mind you I paid less than 1/2 the asking price and got some extra 20's Exhibits thrown in http://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-Exhibit-Baseball-Card-Vending-Machine-Trade-Stimulator-Fully-Restored-/371229395578?_trksidp2047675.l2557&ssPageName= On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 7:09 PM, wrote: > Bob, > We need a picture of that classic! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 5/16/2016 2:30:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > Hi > I just bought myself a big present. A 1920s or so Exhibit Machine that > dispenses cards for a penny. I'd like to fill it with reprints so that I > could make available to friends and family when visiting the house. Anyone > have any reprints to trade or sell cheap? > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 19:50:26 -0600 To: wmcashton@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] waiver wire in honor of Geno Wagner From: illini_grad_90 ================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 20:34:28 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1955 mother cookies From: Anthony Hello all, I happen to find a bunch of 1955 mother cookie cards in another antique shop which is part of the 42 card set of automobiles . I saw them for $4 per piece and seems to be in exmt or up in condition . If anyone wants me to get some for you let me know what you need.shipping free Anthony arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 00:22:22 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibit reprints From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en That is just awesome! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/16/2016 9:30:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: Mind you I paid less than 1/2 the asking price and got some extra 20's Exhibits thrown in _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-Exhibit-Baseball-Card-Vending-Machine-Trade-St (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1925-Exhibit-Baseball-Card-Vending-Machine-Trade-Stimulator-Fully-Restored-/371229395578?_trksidp2047675.l2557&ssPageName On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 7:09 PM, <_ChicoD1@aol.com_ (mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com) > wrote: We need a picture of that classic! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/16/2016 2:30:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) I just bought myself a big present. A 1920s or so Exhibit Machine that dispenses cards for a penny. I'd like to fill it with reprints so that I could make available to friends and family when visiting the house. Anyone have any reprints to trade or sell cheap? ================= Date: Mon, 16 May 2016 23:50:53 -0400 To: "" Subject: Fwd: Push It From: ShoelessWes Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: ShoelessWes > Date: May 16, 2016 at 11:44:27 PM EDT > To: Wantlist > Subject: Push It > Looking for any help to my 53, 54, 55 Bowman football sets. They're getting > Got plenty of trade material, mostly baseball-football. Let me know! > Wes Shepard > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 07:27:55 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Dick McAuliffe From: Glenn Codere Really sad to read of the death of my OBC HOMer Dick McAuliffe. McAuliffe was one of my guys, playing for the Tigers throughout my whole life in the Detroit area (1960-1973). Like every other kid of that age, I had his batting stance nailed. We're rapidly losing more and more of that 1968 team. GlennGlenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: Tue, 17 May 2016 21:50:53 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Recent Pickups, '59 Set Update! From: Jake Brewer I recently picked up a lot of 9 '51 Topps Red Backs (including Klu & Hodges) for $21 dlvd on Net54; which I thought was a heck of a deal! That took mefrom one, to ten in this set! I especially love the '50s- the designs are just so friggin' cool. I also got in my '59 AS Aaron today- leaving me with just 4 cards to go on the set! They are: 90 Bill Skowron, 514 Bob Gibson RC (of course haha), hi-number 533 Darrell Johnson, and 563 AS Willie Mays. As one of my collectinggoals for 2016 to complete the '59 set- I'm excited that its so close! Once completed I think I will focus on '53T next; or maybe '55T. '53 is oneof my favorites, but is pretty tough (and I currently have 7%). '55 I have23% of already. Things at my ballpark (Sims Legion Park in Gastonia, NC- home of my Gastonia Grizzlies!) are getting pretty busy. Our opening night is in 11 days- so as Ticket Leprechaun (yes this is my real title ha) I am suuuuper busy. People dropping in to pick up their Memberships, selling more of them, delivering group tickets- it's my favorite time of the year! Well that's enough for my first attempt at a ramble ha. Hope someone made it this far! -Jake (Jr., The Kid) Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 18 May 2016 04:30:20 +0000 (UTC) To: "Lyons, Rick" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? From: tvalacak@comcast.net I like to call this set my Rick Lyons/Jeff Whitworth collection - as they are the two guys responsible for kick starting that set. Here is a play by play of that set, which I have lised on my non sport wantlist. It's a fun set to collect, but I would hold off on those prices. This is also known as the Jeff Whitworth/Rick Lyons Collection. Back in December 2012, the three of us gathered at a Cracker Barrel in Tucson Arizona for a little OBC gathering. I had seen Jeff a few days earlier, and he had given me the traditional OBC handshake. I really didn=E2=99t expect anything more from him, but he had another stack of cards waiting for me that day. They were all non-sport, and the first card I saw was a Charlie=E2=99s Angels card. We all got a good laugh out of that. Well, I guess Rick really thought it was special, because he not only picked up a few hundred at a Scottsdale card shop, he sent me over 100 of those. So, I guess I am collecting the set. And judging by my wantlist, they must be like the 1950 Bowmans =E2=93 a tough first series. I can remember watching the show whenI was young, wondering when they would show Charlie. So, Jeff and Rick, thanks for getting me started 1977 Charlie's Angels Sticker Set:2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 15 16 18 21 26 27 28 29 34 35 36 3741 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: bskp1@aol.com Cc: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 3:03:19 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] overpriced? A few years back I bought a 400 count box stuffed of them for $10 at a shopin Arizona. Started the set and sent the dupes to TJ because he really wanted to start the set. Rick Sent from my iPad On May 12, 2016, at 11:36 AM, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: In the Fall of 2014, there was an OBC auction (I think for Renee Hair). I won a complete set of 1976 Happy Days (44 cards) and a complete set of 1976 Bionic Woman (44 cards) for $26/$27. I don't know whether Charlie's Angels would be materially higher. Best regards, In a message dated 05/12/2016 12:44:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com A couple months ago I stopped in at a thrift store and found some RC cans. Bought a few, left the rest. Also noticed some Charlie's Angels cards in three 9-pocket sleeves tacked high up on the wall. Yesterday I went back in there; all the cans were still there. So were the Angels. So I figured I'd ask about them. 21 cards. The guy had to call his boss. Really? They said, "$20 for the bunch, or $2 each, except for the Farrah card." I stifled a laugh. Said no thanks and walked out. I guess I'll see if they're there in twomore So really the question is, am I completely off base on these? I mean, c'mon, it's not like they were pack fresh or anything... What do you think? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 02:44:20 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: very upset and pissed off at the postal service right now From: John Dahms I don't usually rant or ramble, specially about the postal service but I needed to vent. a couple of weeks ago I received a nice lot of 50's cards in very nice and beat up shape. about half of them I needed, the others I decided that since I hadn't been very active in welcoming the newer members into the group I thought I would check lists of the guys that had joined in the past couple of years. I also had a smallish stack of 72 semi hi's and added them to the I found homes for all the cards, put them in envelopes and stamped them up, took them to post office on the 5th of may along with a puffy of non sports I had promised a trader, and a large box of new cards for another group the other group guy went priority to California, the rest went out regularmail. or so I thought. the box got there, don't have a clue on the other 20 or so, usually when I mail a large group like this I am hearing something within a 3 or 4 day period, so far nothing. went to the post office to mail another puffy today and asked them about this and they said they have been having quite a few people complaining of mail they sent out around that day not getting to where it should. now I am kind of leery about sending out mail.. I know I shouldn't be but Iam....kinda sucks cuz these were pretty cool beat up cards. I called the inspector but just as I knew they would say there was no tracking on the flats so nothing they could do. thanks for letting me rant and everyone have a great evening. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 13:48:35 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Hockey cards From: Nick Covello Hi Guys:I'm getting close to a couple of Hockey sets, please let me know ifyou can help me out, if you need any from 1973/74 or 1974/75 let me know. ThanksNick Covello 1974/75 Topps Hockey Wantlist : 2 Assist Ldrs, 4 GAA Leaders, 9 Francis, 28Bruins, 100 Orr, 130 Orr As, 135 Clarke As, 168 McDonald, 180 Salming, 256Capitals 1977/78 Topps Wantlist: 43 Watson, 48 Cameron, 74 Blackhawks, 75 Barons, 80Canadians, 81 Islanders, 86 Maple Leafs, 105 Trottier, 142 Stephenson, 152Lapointe, 160 Vachon, 170 Espisito, 171 St Laurant, 192 Hodge, 210 Perrault, 227 Barber, 249 Checklist, 250 Gillies, 260 Cheevers ================= Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 11:03:33 -0400 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] very upset and pissed off at the postal service From: Mike Glasser I'm sure that one of us must be a covert postal carrier who collects cards and feeds off of our generosity.. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC ramblings Sent: Wed, May 18, 2016 10:44 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] very upset and pissed off at the postal service right I don't usually rant or ramble, specially about the postal service but I needed to vent. a couple of weeks ago I received a nice lot of 50's cards in very nice and beat up shape. about half of them I needed, the others I decided that since I hadn't been very active in welcoming the newer members into the group I thought I would check lists of the guys that had joined in the past couple of years. I also had a smallish stack of 72 semi hi's and added them to the I found homes for all the cards, put them in envelopes and stamped them up, took them to post office on the 5th of may along with a puffy of non sports I had promised a trader, and a large box of new cards for another group the other group guy went priority to California, the rest went out regularmail. or so I thought. the box got there, don't have a clue on the other 20 or so, usually when I mail a large group like this I am hearing something within a 3 or 4 day period, so far nothing. went to the post office to mail another puffy today and asked them about this and they said they have been having quite a few people complaining of mail they sent out around that day not getting to where it should. now I am kind of leery about sending out mail.. I know I shouldn't be but Iam....kinda sucks cuz these were pretty cool beat up cards. I called the inspector but just as I knew they would say there was no tracking on the flats so nothing they could do. thanks for letting me rant and everyone have a great evening. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 19 May 2016 18:56:30 -0700 To: Subject: 1955 Bowman small lot waiver From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 21:35:06 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 Bowman small lot waiver From: JAY TYSVER These are gone. Jay Tysver To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 18:56:30 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 Bowman small lot waiver Got a small lot of nine 1955 Bowman Baseball TVs for waiver. These are trimmed and have a hole punch. Letting this go as one lot- not breaking it up. First to claim gets it,,, #36, 80, 138, 146, 174, 213, 253, 285, 316 Jay Tysver ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 20:58:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 Bowman small lot waiver From: JAY TYSVER They're gone Jay Tysver To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 May 2016 18:56:30 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 Bowman small lot waiver Got a small lot of nine 1955 Bowman Baseball TVs for waiver. These are trimmed and have a hole punch. Letting this go as one lot- not breaking it up. First to claim gets it,,, #36, 80, 138, 146, 174, 213, 253, 285, 316 Jay Tysver ================= Date: 19 May 2016 20:33:23 -0700 To: Subject: Bucket Trip help From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: 20 May 2016 03:55:11 -0700 To: Subject: Jackie Robinson, Car Crashes, and other things that go fast From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: 20 May 2016 03:57:34 -0700 To: Subject: Jackie Robinson, Car Crashes, and other things that go fast From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: 20 May 2016 03:01:53 -0700 To: Subject: Jackie Robinson, my van, and other things going fast... From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 09:25:53 -0700 To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bucket Trip help From: Stamper Hey Mike Looks like an amazing summer. I've done White Water Rafting on the Snake River and it's a blast. I should be good for your LA tour. You have a place to sleep anytime that works for you. I might join you in San Diego. Not sure yet. We are heading to Portland, Oregon July 2 and should be back by the 9th (put it on your calendar Brian) Karyn and Raleigh might be able to take in a game as well. Looking forward to your visit. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 19, 2016, at 8:33 PM, "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > The trip is scheduled to start on June 7. I would still like to hear from those that would like to join me for a game or show me their town or thatI will see along the way. I also need an early list as to who is planningon being at the National. While they may be stale dated, I will try to pull handshakes for those that I will see. Of course anyone willing to put me up for a nite is also appreciated, but your company at a game is even more appreciated. While the dates may change, to make the trip work, there isnot a lot of flexibility in the schedule. Here is the current itinerary: > June 7 Chicago White Sox > June 8 Milwaukee > June 10 Minnesota > June 11 Field of Dreams > June 12 Peoria ? > June 13-15 St. Louis - going to the game June 14 depending on weather > June 16-19 Kansas City (only time I get to see my Tigers. Going all 4 games???) (Negro League Museum) > June 20 Abilene, KS Eisenhower Presidential Library > June 21 Hays, KS > June 22 Colorado Springs (US Olympic Complex & World Figure Skating HOF) > June 23 Colorado Rockies > June 24 Ft. Laramie, WY > June 25 Yellowstone > June 26 Grand Tetons > June 27 Jackson Hole - Snake River White Water Rafting > June 28 Craters of the Moon, ID > June 29 - 30 Seattle - going to the game on the 30th > July 1 -2 travel to Fremont, CA (near Oakland) > July 3 Oakland A's > July 4 - 7 Bay area going to the Giants on July 5 depending on weather > July 8 Fresno Grizzlies > July 9 LA Dodgers > July 10 -12 San Diego for All Star festivities > July 13-14 LA or San Diego area??? > July 15 San Diego Padres game > July 16 LA Angels > July 17 Las Vegas > July 18 Grand Canyon > July 19 Arizona Diamondbacks > July 20 - 21 El Paso, TX > July 22 Carlsbad Caverns, NM > July 23 The Alamo > July 24 Houston > July 25 Arlington > July 26 -27 New Orleans area > July 29 Tampa Bay > July 30 Miami > July 31 - August 1 Hilliard, FL > August 2 Atlanta > August 3 Durham Bulls (unless driving straight to the National) > August 4 Williamsburg, VA > August 5 - 7 Atlantic City - The National > August 8 - 10 Washington DC - Nationals game on August 9 > August 11 NY Mets > August 12 NY Yankees > August 13 Philadelphia > August 14 Pittsburgh or Morgantown, WV area > August 15 Cincinnati > August 16 Home to Detroit!!! > Mike Rich > cell: 248-709-2235 ================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 11:28:05 -0500 To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bucket Trip help From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 07:52:35 -0400 To: mikerw7@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jackie Robinson, Car Crashes, and other things From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Thank G-d you survived the crash. Be well and know that we will be thinking and praying for your recovery. I will add you to my Misheberach (Jewish prayer for those in need of healing) list. Let us know how you progress. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, May 20, 2016 6:57 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Jackie Robinson, Car Crashes, and other things that go fast [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mikerw7@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] included below] I got hit by a truck today on the way to an intramural soccer game at the school where i teach, coach, mentor, and play sports with youngsters. I wasturning left and a truck slammed into me while going pretty fast. He plowed me 50 feet and spun me around about 250 degrees. I passed out. I have no memory of the collision or even of seeing the truck. I have a broken rib, a concussion from a serious lump on my head, lacerations on one arm, andprobably whiplash. My friend Josh Garcia was coming up to the same cornerand got to the car first. He found me unconscious for about a minute, butI still can't remember anything from the first half hour after the accident. I have no idea how he got me out of my van. I remember coming to in his truck as if waking from a dream. My wife had been with me there for about 20 minutes by then. If I hadn't been wearing my seatbelt, I would now be in very serious condition or just done. I'm grateful to God to be alive. The picture tells it. So tonight, since I'm having trouble finding a pain-free position to sleep (and tend to have insomnia, anyway), I'm taking a moment to say how grateful I am to be part of this group. I am a more enigmatic member (I hope that's how I'm thought of, rather than "unreliable" or "uncommitted"), since I live in Nicaragua where we do not have trustworthy postal services and mostof my collection is in the States. I can only see cards sent to me when someone acts as courier or when I visit the States. But as we all know--and maybe the newest guys are just discovering--this isfar more than a group of guys with a common hobby. I truly love being a member. We are a community, and I take that word very seriously. I have prayed for many of you through various crises and life changes. I'm sure I'veprayed for members more than I've traded cards since we moved here five years ago. Though I've met only one of you in person--Aaron Shirley!--I count many of you as true friends. Tonight, I'm grateful that I will have moredays to enjoy our friendships and meet more of you. One of you, Mr. Anonymous, recently sent me a 53T Jackie Robinson. I love that card! It was a complete Stan Hack, no possibility of getting return fire. I realized I had not yet sent a "thanks" (maybe hoping that I could solve the mystery?). As you can imagine, I'm thinking tonight of all the things that I might never have done. Thanks, Mr. A. Thank you, Guys. I am profoundly grateful for our friendships, for your generosity to me, and for how we support one another. Thanks for keeping me as a member and continuing to include me, even though I'm not able to be as active here. Thanks for all the cards! Thanks to each of you who have opened your lives to me. Thanks for your prayers, positive thoughts, humor, and encouragement. Thanks for everything! Peace and Joy and Much Love, MR-W (Mike Rumley-Wells, not "Mr. W") ================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 16:45:58 -0600 To: obc ramblings Subject: Family History Trip! From: James Silva Hey Gents, My wife and I are going to Hawaii for two weeks starting Monday! Yes, I am a lucky bastard. My dad grew up in a sugar plantation town near Hilo on theBig Island and I have a bunch of cousins on Oahu - many of whom I have never met. My dad was an enigma, mostly due, in my opinion, to undiagnosed PTSD from losing his leg in Germany during WWII. He removed himself from his family before I was born and I started doing family history research to findthem (which I did, 11 years ago). I met several cousins and spent a couplehours with them back then on my first trip to Hawaii and I am hoping to learn more and copy pictures this time. My dad was the 13th of 13 kids (11 lived to adulthood) so I have a lot of first cousins and second cousins. Portuguese families tend to be fairly big and mine is no exception. I grew up only knowing one cousin and one aunt - both on my mom=E2=99s side - but just recently added 271 people to my dad=E2=99s tree, then 40 more (all descended from one pair of great grandparents) to get to well over 500 people and rising. I am hoping this trip will net me many family stories and pictures but my wife is preaching patience in the face of people who don=E2=99t seem to be super excited about my project. Patience, usually one of myvirtues, has been a challenge for me in the family search as people who know a lot start dying (my dad was the youngest and he was 38 when I was born) and I am very far away. Anyway, I will be back June 8th hopefully with more information than I can digest at one sitting so don=E2=99t worry if Idon=E2=99t Happy spring! Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 20:06:51 -0500 Subject: GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! From: Aaron Shirley I currently have 29 orders (some paid, some not). Need 50. Here's the spielagain. GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from a benevolent OBCer! COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to matchthe most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES (only $2 more) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - All shirt colors and designs are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton, except the safety orange shirts, which are 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We need to shoot for at least 50 shirts. With more options this year, hopefully that won't be a problem. - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering a few additional shirts for future members. - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be extra. - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. Larger sizes MAY be available; please - Payment by check, money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - Funds must be received by July 1st. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005 ================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 22:47:14 -0400 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bucket Trip help From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I have already done those other stadiums and am currently in Pittsburgh with Ron Perry for the Robert Morris show and we just knocked off seeing PNC Park as the Pirates downed the Rockies. Mike Rich Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Friday, May 20, 2016, Aaron Shirley wrote: You're gonna be exhausted after all that! What happened to the Blue Jays, Cubs, Indians, Orioles and Red Sox? Aaron Shirley Sent from my iPhone On May 20, 2016, at 11:26 AM, Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hey Mike Looks like an amazing summer. I've done White Water Rafting on the Snake River and it's a blast. I should be good for your LA tour. You have a place to sleep anytime that works for you. I might join you in San Diego. Not sure yet. We are heading to Portland, Oregon July 2 and should be back by the 9th (put it on your calendar Brian) Karyn and Raleigh might be able to take in a game as well. Looking forward to your visit. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 19, 2016, at 8:33 PM, "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" The trip is scheduled to start on June 7. I would still like to hear from those that would like to join me for a game or show me their town or that Iwill see along the way. I also need an early list as to who is planning on being at the National. While they may be stale dated, I will try to pullhandshakes for those that I will see. Of course anyone willing to put me up for a nite is also appreciated, but your company at a game is even more appreciated. While the dates may change, to make the trip work, there is not a lot of flexibility in the schedule. Here is the current itinerary: June 7 Chicago White Sox June 8 Milwaukee June 10 Minnesota June 11 Field of Dreams June 12 Peoria ? June 13-15 St. Louis - going to the game June 14 depending on weather June 16-19 Kansas City (only time I get to see my Tigers. Going all 4 games???) (Negro League Museum) June 20 Abilene, KS Eisenhower Presidential Library June 21 Hays, KS June 22 Colorado Springs (US Olympic Complex & World Figure Skating HOF) June 23 Colorado Rockies June 24 Ft. Laramie, WY June 25 Yellowstone June 26 Grand Tetons June 27 Jackson Hole - Snake River White Water Rafting June 28 Craters of the Moon, ID June 29 - 30 Seattle - going to the game on the 30th July 1 -2 travel to Fremont, CA (near Oakland) July 3 Oakland A's July 4 - 7 Bay area going to the Giants on July 5 depending on weather July 8 Fresno Grizzlies July 9 LA Dodgers July 10 -12 San Diego for All Star festivities July 13-14 LA or San Diego area??? July 15 San Diego Padres game July 16 LA Angels July 17 Las Vegas July 18 Grand Canyon July 19 Arizona Diamondbacks July 20 - 21 El Paso, TX July 22 Carlsbad Caverns, NM July 23 The Alamo July 24 Houston July 25 Arlington July 26 -27 New Orleans area July 29 Tampa Bay July 30 Miami July 31 - August 1 Hilliard, FL August 2 Atlanta August 3 Durham Bulls (unless driving straight to the National) August 4 Williamsburg, VA August 5 - 7 Atlantic City - The National August 8 - 10 Washington DC - Nationals game on August 9 August 11 NY Mets August 12 NY Yankees August 13 Philadelphia August 14 Pittsburgh or Morgantown, WV area August 15 Cincinnati August 16 Home to Detroit!!! Mike Rich cell: 248-709-2235 ================= Date: Fri, 20 May 2016 23:01:37 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Basement find! From: Ken M OK, it was my own basement, but I'm still excited about it...  My daughter was playing next door with their little girl, who is the same age. They were playing with Lincoln Logs, but they didn't really have enough to build even a small house, never mind split between two kids. When I went to pick her up at bedtime, the neighbor mentions that she's gonna buy another set of Lincoln Logs, so the kids can actually build stuff with them. "Don't. I've got some sitting in the house from when * I * was a kid." They probably haven't been played with in forty years.  So after the kids fell asleep, I searched the small totes I remember putting them into a while back (took them out of the original log shaped 'barrels' they were sold in). Opened one up and discovered - CARDS!! They look like my haul from one of the Nationals (the last one in Baltimore I think?) There were some other cards mixed in with them - some stray piles of dupes no doubt.  My 1956 set (#2) had a couple of gremlin s that I had searched for all over the house trying to find many times: Clemente and Feller. I am very happy to say that the '56 Clemente and TWO '56 Fellers were in the tote. Other cards I found in the tote: a 1960 Mantle, a small pile of Red Man cards, a bunch of last series 1950 Bowmans (accumulated to trade for the no copyright cards I needed), a second year Lew Alcindor, a half dozen or so 1960 Leaf highs, and a trio of T205's including one that I thought I had swapped with someone for a Polar Bear back and never got the card in return (and I had forgotton who I had made the trade with). The T205 Ford (black cap) was in an inch thick screwdown holder - and I remembered: I had brought it for the "Tiptons on Display" we had at the swap that year and never returned it to the binder. There was also a handful of stars, rookies and high numbers from various sets scattered in there too.  It's always nice to pad your dupes box and cross cards off your list without spending any money. I had recently gone through most of the boxes in the basement to sort through them, so I doubt I'll have another find like this any time soon. So you can all hold off on your offers to help clean up my basement... although I never did find those Lincoln Logs... TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 21 May 2016 06:35:29 -0700 To: Subject: 2012 National pictures? From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 11:30:05 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mark Armour's History of Topps Baseball Cards From: Robert Fitts I don=92t recall seeing anybody post this before here (yet I=92m also having trouble believing that I=92m the first) but baseball historian and friendMark Armour has written an excellent history of Topps baseball cards on the National Pastime Museum. If you haven=92t seen it yet, please check out the first installment here http://www.thenationalpastimemuseum.com/article/great-topps-baseball-card-monopoly-part-1-introduction ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 13:03:14 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Face of the dupes box From: Rick I'm coming up on nine years in OBC my first "trading group" and main one. Inever traded cards prior to this other than trading to dealers at a show. When I started I had two 5000 count boxes for baseball one had 58-77 the other 78-80 and one 1000 count for special/oddball cards. Over the years As Iworked on sets the dupes box was continually changing but didn't seem to go down much as cards went out new dupes went in. My football was in a 3200 count box. My OPC's were my passion back then I was working on three sets on most years two on some. I had to have four or more of a OPC card for it to make the dupes box. Now for the subject line it just dawned on me a couple days ago my dupes box is not what it once was. I have all my baseball and football in one 5000 count box and it's not full and goes to 1981 now. I counted only 58 topps baseball cards from 58-69 all low number commons that nobody probably needs.Probably the same amount for OPC's so the majority are baseball from 77-81 which again I'm sure are not needed by anyone in this group. A partial row of football/basketball from 75-81 again not on to many peoples lists. Allmy third sets of OPC's are gone as well as half of my second sets I have afew left cause I may actually restart a few of my favorite sets. My focus has changed so much toward the oddball/regional/Venezuelan sets I may nevergo back to the main stream sets for quite awhile. I'm struggling to hit people back now especially long time trading buddies and even new members since there's no main steam cards left in there. I am really enjoying the direction I'm going but know if I worked on bowmans/post/Kellogg's/hostess things like that which most of you are working on I would get dupes that are more helpful to the group. So is the face of my dupes box's future shriveling up and dying do I try and buy an assortment of cards from someone to breathe some life in it or is this the direction it's suppose to go? Is that suppose to be our goal when it's all said and done that there is no dupes box? With my new dupes which are mainly Venezuelans and a few regional/oddball cards I mostly sell them on the dealer scum site mainly cause very few people collect them and it helps me buy bigger lots that I would never buy myself kind of like splitting the lot with someone without pre arranging it. I never wanted to be one of those active nonactive members but feel like I'm going down that road and being in the northwest my only hands on lifelineis Dave and Brian which is the highlight of my year when we get together. Probably thinking too deep here just wondering how other people think that have been around longer than me. I know this group is more than cards and Ienjoy reading everyone's posts and someday hope to travel around to finally meet more of you until then feeling like I'm at a crossroads not sure why. One of my longest rambles Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 13:07:47 -0700 To: obc-ramblings Subject: Interesting Trivia Question From: Andy Huntoon Hey all, I recently came across a cool trivia question and wanted to pose it to the group and see if anyone knows the answer. No google cheating please. What is the interesting story behind the 1969 Topps card # 653 of Aurelio I'm not sure if I have a prize for the first person to get it right, but we'll see. And I'll be shocked if the correct answer is posted quickly. Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 16:13:41 -0400 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Trivia Question From: Steve Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable The card features the photo of the batboy. Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On May 21, 2016, at 4:07 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey all, > I recently came across a cool trivia question and wanted to pose it to the group and see if anyone knows the answer. No google cheating please. > What is the interesting story behind the 1969 Topps card # 653 of AurelioRodriquez? > I'm not sure if I have a prize for the first person to get it right, but we'll see. And I'll be shocked if the correct answer is posted quickly. > Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 16:15:54 -0400 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Trivia Question From: Bob Donaldson You mean that it's the batboy? On Saturday, May 21, 2016, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey all, > I recently came across a cool trivia question and wanted to pose it to the > group and see if anyone knows the answer. No google cheating please. > What is the interesting story behind the 1969 Topps card # 653 of Aurelio > Rodriquez? > I'm not sure if I have a prize for the first person to get it right, but > we'll see. And I'll be shocked if the correct answer is posted quickly. > Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 16:22:31 -0400 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Trivia Question From: Jimi Thayer Something other than it being the batboy? Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2016, at 4:15 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > You mean that it's the batboy? >> On Saturday, May 21, 2016, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hey all, >> I recently came across a cool trivia question and wanted to pose it to the group and see if anyone knows the answer. No google cheating please. >> What is the interesting story behind the 1969 Topps card # 653 of Aurelio >> I'm not sure if I have a prize for the first person to get it right, butwe'll see. And I'll be shocked if the correct answer is posted quickly. >> Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 16:32:52 -0400 To: Bob Reed , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Trivia Question From: Andy Huntoon Unreal! I already have like 6 answers and everyone correctly answered thatit is actually a picture of the batboy. Does anyone know the bat boys name? By the way Bob Reed came in first. You guys are scary knowledgeable. Sent from my iPhone > On May 21, 2016, at 4:09 PM, Bob Reed wrote: > It's actually a photo of the batboy. > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 13:07:47 -0700 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Trivia Question > Hey all, > I recently came across a cool trivia question and wanted to pose it to the group and see if anyone knows the answer. No google cheating please. > What is the interesting story behind the 1969 Topps card # 653 of AurelioRodriquez? > I'm not sure if I have a prize for the first person to get it right, but we'll see. And I'll be shocked if the correct answer is posted quickly. > Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 15:38:18 -0500 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Trivia Question From: Jay Tysver Without looking at others' replies, it's the batboy Jay Tysver > On May 21, 2016, at 3:07 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey all, > I recently came across a cool trivia question and wanted to pose it to the group and see if anyone knows the answer. No google cheating please. > What is the interesting story behind the 1969 Topps card # 653 of AurelioRodriquez? > I'm not sure if I have a prize for the first person to get it right, but we'll see. And I'll be shocked if the correct answer is posted quickly. > Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 13:54:34 -0700 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: Annual summer waiver wire and sorry for inativity From: Gary Beard First off, I'd like to apologize for being a bit inactive for the past bunch of months. After starting a second business a year and a half ago, I just started a third business at the start of this year. So, I haven't had a lot of time to spend in baseball cards on a regular basis. For the past couple of years I've resorted to relying on my annual summer waiver wire to hit as many lists as I can. I have to run my waiver wire a little early this year because in about a month I'll be traveling for just about half the summer and I'm not sure how much time I'll have when I get If my inactivity recently has offended any of you, please accept my sincere apologies. I'll start the waiver wire with my dupes from the '70s. Since I've completed my '70 Topps run, the only '70s dupes I acquire are what comes in from upgrades...so I don't have a lot, but grab what you need: 1970 Topps Regular Number Name 2 Diego Segui 3 Darrel Chaney 4 Tom Egan 15 Larry Dierker 30 Matty Alou 44 Roberto Pena 47 Bob Miller 50 Tommie Agee 51 Bob Christian 52 Bruce Dal Canton 72 Llch/McDwl/Messrsmth 76 Carl Taylor 77 Frank Linzy 80 Don Kessinger 85 Max Alvis 87 Steve Renko 90 Tim McCarver 95 Earl Wilson 98 Gates Brown 99 Bobby Pfeil 102 Joe Rudi 103 Frank Reberger 108 Tom Burgmeier 109 Jestadt/Morton 110 Bob Moose 113 Jim Ray 115 Alex Johnson 122 George Stone 127 Joe Coleman 128 Checklist 133-263 129 Jimmie Price 130 Ollie Brown 135 Dick Dietz 151 Dave Roberts 154 Dukes/Miles 155 Denis Menke 156 Eddie Fisher 232 Bob Didier 267 Hill/Ratliff 269 Cesar Gutierrez 274 Gerry Arrigo 276 Ron Hunt 277 Paul Doyle 282 Steve Huntz 283 Angel Bravo 287 Fred Talbot 295 Cecil Upshaw 303 Brant Alyea 315 Luis Aparicio 326 Bill Voss 345 Al Ferrara 346 Red Schoendienst 354 Amos Otis 356 Fred Lasher 357 Bob Burda 366 Barry Moore 389 Jim Shellenback 399 Yankees Team 467 Denny McLain AS 1971 Topps Regular Number Name Team 21 Dan McGinn Montreal Expos 22 Phil Roof Milwaukee Brewers 56 Duane Josephson Chicago White Sox 62 Carty/Sangulen/Tore None 71 Johnsn/Lolich/McDowl None 73 George Brunet Pittsburgh Pirates 124 Don Gullett Cincinnati Reds 133 Mickey Lolich Detroit Tigers 140 Gaylord Perry San Francisco Giants 144 Jackie Hernandez Kansas City Royals 155 Ken Henderson San Francisco Giants 190 Bob Tolan Cincinnati Reds 196 AL Playoff Game 2 None 233 Larry Bowa Philadelphia Phillies 237 Cesar Cedeno Houston Astros 239 Red Schoendienst St. Louis Cardinals 243 Carlos May Chicago White Sox 255 Bob Robertson Pittsburgh Pirates 260 Tommy Harper Milwaukee Brewers 263 John Ellis New York Yankees 268 Phillies Team Philadelphia Phillies 291 George Culver Houston Astros 298 Jim Nelson Pittsburgh Pirates 710 Sonny Siebert Boston Red Sox 729 Dick Billings Washington Senators 730 Jim Rooker Kansas City Royals 1972 Topps Regular Year Maker Number Name Team 1972 Topps 31 Cleon Jones New York Mets 1972 Topps 36 Jerry Johnson IA San Francisco Giants 1972 Topps 53 Bud Harrelson New York Mets 1972 Topps 55 Clyde Wright California Angels 1972 Topps 56 Rich Chiles RC Houston Astros 1972 Topps 60 Manny Sanguillen Pittsburgh Pirates 1972 Topps 65 Cesar Cedeno Houston Astros 1972 Topps 68 Jim York Kansas City Royals 1972 Topps 70 Mike Cuellar Baltimore Orioles 1972 Topps 75 Bert Campaneris Oakland Athletics 1972 Topps 78 Steve Arlin San Diego Padres 1972 Topps 81 Mike Hedlund Kansas City Royals 1972 Topps 84 Vince Colbert Cleveland Indians 1972 Topps 96 Blue/Coleman/Lolich None 1972 Topps 97 Tom Kelley Atlanta Braves 1972 Topps 98 Chuck Tanner Chicago White Sox 1972 Topps 102 Lloyd Allen California Angels 1972 Topps 108 Gary Waslewski New York Yankees 1972 Topps 121 Ed Sprague Cincinnati Reds 1972 Topps 123 Ed Acosta San Diego Padres 1972 Topps 133 Joe Keough Kansas City Royals 1972 Topps 149 Gary Neibauer Atlanta Braves 1972 Topps 185 Ron Bryant San Francisco Giants 1972 Topps 188 Frank Lucchesi Philadelphia Phillies 1972 Topps 193 Kurt Bevacqua Cleveland Indians 1972 Topps 234 Ron Taylor Montreal Expos 1972 Topps 535 Ed Brinkman Detroit Tigers 1972 Topps 586 Denis Menke Cincinnati Reds 1972 Topps 606 Luis Melendez St. Louis Cardinals 1972 Topps 636 Bill Lee Boston Red Sox 1972 Topps 643 Russ Gibson San Francisco Giants 1972 Topps 656 Rudy May California Angels 1972 Topps Regular Year Maker Number Name Team 1973 Topps 2 Rich Hebner Pittsburgh Pirates 1973 Topps 16 Steve Braun Minnesota Twins 1973 Topps 17 Fred Gladding Houston Astros 1973 Topps 23 Dave Kingman San Francisco Giants 1973 Topps 24 Al Santorini St. Louis Cardinals 1973 Topps 33 Jim Breazeale Atlanta Braves 1973 Topps 36 Steve Barber California Angels 1973 Topps 41 Tom Walker Montreal Expos 1973 Topps 58 Mike Paul Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 60 Ken Holtzman Oakland Athletics 1973 Topps 69 Phil Gagliano Boston Red Sox 1973 Topps 70 Milt Pappas Chicago Cubs 1973 Topps 72 Ron Reed Atlanta Braves 1973 Topps 78 Richie Scheinblum Kansas City Royals 1973 Topps 92 Jerry Bell Milwaukee Brewers 1973 Topps 107 Phil Hennigan New York Mets 1973 Topps 109 Doyle Alexander Baltimore Orioles 1973 Topps 111 Dave Nelson Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 126 Jim Brewer Los Angeles Dodgers 1973 Topps 128 Ted Sizemore St. Louis Cardinals 1973 Topps 138 Horacio Pina Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 169 Ron Schueler Atlanta Braves 1973 Topps 186 Bill Fahey Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 223 Bud Harrelson New York Mets 1973 Topps 242 George Culver Houston Astros 1973 Topps 249 Larry Biittner Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 251 Roger Nelson Kansas City Royals 1973 Topps 253 Mark Belanger Baltimore Orioles 1973 Topps 256 Chris Zachary Detroit Tigers 1973 Topps 259 Jim Holt Minnesota Twins 1973 Topps 260 Gary Nolan Cincinnati Reds 1973 Topps 283 Ray Sadecki New York Mets 1973 Topps 288 Gary Gentry Atlanta Braves 1973 Topps 294 Steve Arlin San Diego Padres 1973 Topps 297 Walt Williams Cleveland Indians 1973 Topps 304 Duke Sims Detroit Tigers 1973 Topps 311 Joe Decker Minnesota Twins 1973 Topps 321 Rich Hinton Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 326 Darrell Brandon Philadelphia Phillies 1973 Topps 332 John Felske Milwaukee Brewers 1973 Topps 341 Jim Palmer BP Baltimore Orioles 1973 Topps 372 Oscar Gamble Cleveland Indians 1973 Topps 373 Clyde Wright California Angels 1973 Topps 378 Lenny Randle Texas Rangers 1973 Topps 386 Don Money Milwaukee Brewers 1973 Topps 387 Jim Barr San Francisco Giants 1973 Topps 411 Ray Corbin Minnesota Twins 1973 Topps 414 Ken Rudolph Chicago Cubs 1973 Topps 416 Paul Schaal Kansas City Royals 1973 Topps 422 Bob Robertson Pittsburgh Pirates 1973 Topps 428 Wayne Simpson Kansas City Royals 1973 Topps 454 Tom Haller Philadelphia Phillies 1973 Topps 508 Gates Brown Detroit Tigers 1973 Topps 515 Andy Messersmith Los Angeles Dodgers 1974 Topps Regular Number Name Team 24 John Hiller Detroit Tigers 37 Dave Sells RC California Angels 44 Mel Stottlemyre New York Yankees 71 Dan Frisella Philadelphia Phillies 84 Rick Wise Boston Red Sox 108 Al Hrabosky St. Louis Cardinals 123 Nelson Briles Pittsburgh Pirates 135 Roy White New York Yankees 174 Bill Robinson Philadelphia Phillies 177 Dave Roberts San Diego Padres 192 Mario Guerrero Boston Red Sox 233 Jim Barr San Francisco Giants 266 Jim Northrup Detroit Tigers 275 Ron Hunt Montreal Expos 276 Bobby Winkles MG Joh None 288 Gorman Thomas RC Milwaukee Brewers 296 Ray Corbin Minnesota Twins 299 Gene Michael New York Yankees 320 Dusty Baker Atlanta Braves 352 Bill Stoneman Montreal Expos 356 Jerry Koosman New York Mets 359 Brent Strom Cleveland Indians 361 Don Carrithers San Francisco Giants 366 Larry Hisle Minnesota Twins 374 Marty Perez Atlanta Braves 377 Ron Woods Montreal Expos 378 Burt Hooton Chicago Cubs 381 Charlie Sands California Angels 402 Jim Rooker Pittsburgh Pirates 418 Walt Williams Cleveland Indians 420 Ray Fosse Oakland Athletics 443 Tom Hutton Philadelphia Phillies 445 George Medich New York Yankees 449 Tom McCraw California Angels 453 Balor Moore Montreal Expos 483 Atlanta Braves Atlanta Braves 488 Andy Etchebarren Baltimore Orioles 494 Ed Goodson San Francisco Giants 499 Rusty Torres Cleveland Indians 509 Jesse Jefferson Baltimore Orioles 518 Derrel Thomas San Diego Padres 525 Clyde Wright Milwaukee Brewers 538 Cesar Tovar Texas Rangers 548 Sonny Siebert St. Louis Cardinals 555 Woodie Fryman Detroit Tigers 571 Rich Hand California Angels 584 Ken Rudolph Chicago Cubs 585 Merv Rettenmund Baltimore Orioles 593 Steve Yeager Los Angeles Dodgers 594 Leroy Stanton California Angels 613 Dan Monzon Minnesota Twins 627 Carl Taylor Kansas City Royals 628 Ivan Murrell San Diego Padres 638 Ken Sanders Cleveland Indians 642 Terry Harmon Philadelphia Phillies 644 Wayne Granger New York Yankees 1976 Topps Regular Year Maker Number Name Team 1976 Topps 9 Paul Lindblad Oakland Athletics 1976 Topps 11 Jim Hughes Minnesota Twins 1976 Topps 43 Paul Splittorff Kansas City Royals 1976 Topps 46 Walter Alston Los Angeles Dodgers 1976 Topps 49 Dave Duncan Baltimore Orioles 1976 Topps 57 Phil Garner Oakland Athletics 1976 Topps 78 Cecil Cooper Boston Red Sox 1976 Topps 87 Tom Burgmeier Minnesota Twins 1976 Topps 96 Doug Bird Kansas City Royals 1976 Topps 114 Jay Johnstone Philadelphia Phillies 1976 Topps 123 Walt Williams New York Yankees 1976 Topps 168 Tom Hilgendorf Philadelphia Phillies 1976 Topps 191 Madlk/Sanguiln/Simns None 1976 Topps 210 Lee May Baltimore Orioles 1976 Topps G/F/P 421 A's Team Oakland Athletics 1976 Topps 427 Kurt Bevacqua Milwaukee Brewers 1976 Topps 443 Giants Team San Francisco Giants 1976 Topps 453 Lou Piniella New York Yankees 1976 Topps 487 Leron Lee Los Angeles Dodgers 1976 Topps 489 Skip Jutze Houston Astros 1976 Topps 531 Joe Frazier New York Mets 1976 Topps 534 Stan Bahnsen Oakland Athletics 1976 Topps 545 Sparky Lyle New York Yankees 1976 Topps 609 Fred Norman Cincinnati Reds 1978 Topps Regular Year Maker Number Name Team 1978 Topps 10 Phil Niekro Atlanta Braves 1978 Topps 54 Tom Johnson Minnesota Twins 1978 Topps 131 Bert Blyleven Texas Rangers 1978 Topps 142 John Montefusco San Francisco Giants 1978 Topps 161 Bob Boone Philadelphia Phillies 1978 Topps 180 Dave Concepcion Cincinnati Reds 1978 Topps 227 Al Fitzmorris Cleveland Indians 1978 Topps 240 Gene Tenace San Diego Padres 1978 Topps 280 Buddy Bell Cleveland Indians 1978 Topps 302 Cubs Team Chicago Cubs 1978 Topps 380 Ted Simmons St. Louis Cardinals 1978 Topps 485 Chris Chambliss New York Yankees 1978 Topps 494 Chuck Tanner Pittsburgh Pirates 1978 Topps 498 Joe Sambito Houston Astros 1978 Topps 520 Larry Hisle Milwaukee Brewers 1978 Topps 524 Bernie Carbo Boston Red Sox 1978 Topps 528 Rob Picciolo Oakland Athletics 1978 Topps 545 Bill Campbell Boston Red Sox 1978 Topps 550 John Mayberry Kansas City Royals 1978 Topps 555 Butch Wynegar Minnesota Twins 1978 Topps 562 Glenn Burke Los Angeles Dodgers 1978 Topps 566 Merv Rettenmund San Diego Padres 1978 Topps 587 John Urrea St. Louis Cardinals 1978 Topps 608 Johnny Grubb Cleveland Indians 1978 Topps 636 Jim Bibby Cleveland Indians 1978 Topps 642 Denny Doyle Boston Red Sox 1978 Topps 646 Rick Auerbach Cincinnati Reds 1978 Topps 661 Grant Jackson Pittsburgh Pirates 1978 Topps 665 Dennis Leonard Kansas City Royals 1978 Topps 670 Jim Rice Boston Red Sox 1978 Topps 671 Gary Lavelle San Francisco Giants 1978 Topps 674 Ray Knight Cincinnati Reds 1978 Topps 677 Ed Herrmann Houston Astros 1978 Topps 688 George Mitterwald Chicago Cubs 1978 Topps 711 Cmpr/Lmp/Mtchl/Thmas None 1979 Topps Regular Year Maker Number Name Team 1979 Topps 3 Foster/Rice None 1979 Topps 23 Terry Forster Los Angeles Dodgers 1979 Topps 27 Dave Goltz Minnesota Twins 1979 Topps 74 Shane Rawley Seattle Mariners 1979 Topps 76 Warren Cromartie Montreal Expos 1979 Topps 106 Frank Duffy Boston Red Sox 1979 Topps 109 Joel Youngblood New York Mets 1979 Topps 126 Doug Bair Cincinnati Reds 1979 Topps 157 U.L. Washington Kansas City Royals 1979 Topps 168 Dave Freisleben Cleveland Indians 1979 Topps 185 Mike Torrez Boston Red Sox 1979 Topps 213 Bill Travers Milwaukee Brewers 1979 Topps 238 Balor Moore Toronto Blue Jays 1979 Topps 265 Don Money Milwaukee Brewers 1979 Topps 290 Dave Lopes Los Angeles Dodgers 1979 Topps 303 Larry Sorensen Milwaukee Brewers 1979 Topps 307 Larvell Blanks Cleveland Indians 1979 Topps 378 Rob Picciolo Oakland Athletics 1979 Topps 408 Charlie Moore Milwaukee Brewers 1979 Topps 418 Johnson/Leonard RH None 1979 Topps 424 Jim Fregosi California Angels 1979 Topps 430 Dave Parker Pittsburgh Pirates 1979 Topps 496 Barry Bonnell Atlanta Braves 1979 Topps 497 Glenn Abbott Seattle Mariners 1979 Topps 520 Gary Carter Montreal Expos 1979 Topps 575 Luis Tiant Boston Red Sox 1979 Topps 578 Pete Broberg Oakland Athletics 1979 Topps 584 Jim Rooker Pittsburgh Pirates 1979 Topps 605 Rick Monday Los Angeles Dodgers 1979 Topps 617 Terry Puhl Houston Astros 1979 Topps 633 Rob Wilfong Minnesota Twins 1979 Topps 642 Wilbur Howard Houston Astros 1979 Topps 645 George Scott Boston Red Sox 1979 Topps 653 Warren Brusstar Philadelphia Phillies 1979 Topps 662 Kevin Bell Chicago White Sox 1979 Topps 683 Dan Meyer Seattle Mariners 1979 Topps 686 Ron Schueler Chicago White Sox 1979 Topps 691 Dock Ellis Texas Rangers Please include your address if you can Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: 21 May 2016 16:09:57 -0700 To: Subject: Brooklyn Dodgers and Red Sox, Figurines Collectibles Waivers From: miglasser@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 21:09:34 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Minor League Cards From: Shawn Smart Are there any good resources for both price values and checklists for minor-league cards out there? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 21:47:27 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Face of the dupes box From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Yep, you're looking too deep into it. There are times my dupes box has been crap, then I find a few lots that I need a couple cards and the next thing I just added some to pass around. Your waivers are much appreciated, as I've picked up cards from you I haven't been able to find locally. I think all of our dupes boxes have ebbs and flows. My dupes boxes get thinner as our members who have been around have collected the things we already sent to them to build their sets. BUT, thenwe get an influx of new guys, and viola! I was able to slam down cards to the new More and more guys are into the 50s now. As I completed sets like 58s/59s those dupes die out, as I send out the remaining to the group. As I work on those 50s sets now, I am able to pick up some that are upgrades then get earmarked for OBC. There are guys I have practically NEVER hit. (one day I will find a card for Geno lol). Some guys have never hit me. I was told my list is getting harder. I have added a bunch of sets and sports to hopefully ease that. I think all of our goals is to make our lists harder, that means we are getting closer to finishing a set. Bottom line, don't sweat it. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/21/2016 4:03:21 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I'm coming up on nine years in OBC my first "trading group" and main one. I never traded cards prior to this other than trading to dealers at a show. When I started I had two 5000 count boxes for baseball one had 58-77 the other 78-80 and one 1000 count for special/oddball cards. Over the years As worked on sets the dupes box was continually changing but didn't seem to go down much as cards went out new dupes went in. My football was in a 3200 count box. My OPC's were my passion back then I was working on three sets on most years two on some. I had to have four or more of a OPC card for it to make the dupes box. Now for the subject line it just dawned on me a couple days ago my dupes box is not what it once was. I have all my baseball and football in one 5000 count box and it's not full and goes to 1981 now. I counted only 58 topps baseball cards from 58-69 all low number commons that nobody probably needs. Probably the same amount for OPC's so the majority are baseball from 77-81 which again I'm sure are not needed by anyone in this group. A partial row of football/basketball from 75-81 again not on to many peoples lists. All my third sets of OPC's are gone as well as half of my second sets I have a few left cause I may actually restart a few of my favorite sets. My focus has changed so much toward the oddball/regional/Venezuelan sets I may never go back to the main stream sets for quite awhile. I'm struggling to hit people back now especially long time trading buddies and even new members since there's no main steam cards left in there. I am really enjoying the direction I'm going but know if I worked on bowmans/post/Kellogg's/hostess things like that which most of you are working I would get dupes that are more helpful to the group. So is the face of my dupes box's future shriveling up and dying do I try and buy an assortment of cards from someone to breathe some life in it or is this the direction it's suppose to go? Is that suppose to be our goal when it's all said and done that there is no dupes box? With my new dupes which are mainly Venezuelans and a few regional/oddball cards I mostly sell them on the dealer scum site mainly cause very few people collect them and it helps me buy bigger lots that I would never buy myself kind of like splitting the lot with someone without pre arranging it. I never wanted to be one of those active nonactive members but feel like I'm going down that road and being in the northwest my only hands on lifeline is Dave and Brian which is the highlight of my year when we get together. Probably thinking too deep here just wondering how other people think that have been around longer than me. I know this group is more than cards and I enjoy reading everyone's posts and someday hope to travel around to finally meet more of you until then feeling like I'm at a crossroads not sure why. One of my longest rambles Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 21:56:39 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New sets added From: ChicoD1@aol.com OK boys, I have finally organized and listed 54, 55, and 56 Topps in my 50s section. I have a pretty good start on those. Of course, I will be doing the variations, so plenty of cards on those lists to hit. I am liking those 54s lately. I have a few dupes, if anyone can help me out on those sets. No stars yet in the set or in the dupes box. In checking these start up sets, I am up to nearly 15K cards (still have a few sets to count). I think this puts me slightly above the Mendoza line Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 21 May 2016 22:25:34 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Face of the dupes box From: LAWRENCE TIPTON My =E2=9Cdupes=E2=9D box has always contained cards that were recently purchased. At this point in my membership, I would assume that cards sentto me were also recently purchased. I don=E2=99t even look at 50s-60s common baseball cards much anymore, and concentrate on buying discount starsand high numbers. When I buy duplicate cards, I always compare them to what=E2=99s already in my set, upgrade, and the lesser card goes into the dupes box to be sent out. My latest RAOK include 1970 and 1971 Fleer World Series cards that I purchased for less than .25c each, each card compared towhats in my set and upgraded when I can. I think most long time members have emptied their dupes boxes years ago andcards they send out are recent pick-ups. A few times very recent I didn=E2=99t pull the trigger on some great deals because I know I already have these cards. Like everyone I do have a card budget and I do have to limit what I buy to just send out as RAOK. If I need a card for my set, I=E2=99m more apt to pull the trigger. If the card will be a duplicate, I=E2=99m a bit more reserved to pull the trigger. A recent dupe pickup (which I have not got in hand yet) 1953 Bowman baseball color #44 w Hank Bauer/ Yogi/Mickey Mantle books NM $775 and I won at auction for 2% of book, fifteen bucks. (I don=E2=99t think it=E2=99s going to be an upgrade LOL) Options for me would be to Dealer Scum it at cost,RAOK, or possible Guru =E2=9CFree=E2=9D Auction where I have been known to ban bidders:) Now I am on a Ramble. But I think to answer your question, I assume most long time OBC members do not have huge dupes boxes that they are pulling cards to send my way. When a new member has easy hits to their list, maybe those cards come from a true duplicate box. But when I get cards from guys I have been trading with for many years I dought they are pulling them from cards they have had for years. ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 00:39:31 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hickory Show/Met my 2nd OBCer! From: Jake Brewer So I went to the Hickory Show today- and thanks to a last minute purchase Ijust finished updating my lists, spreadsheets, and putting cards into binders! I saw Taylor Schock today again, and we chatted for a while about how our collections were going. While hanging out at Kurt Tourdot's table, I also met Doug Dejong for the first time! You're a super-nice guy Doug, I hope to meet up with you at more shows in the future! As Taylor & Doug know I picked up '33 Goudey RCs of Jim Bottomley & Frank Frisch from Kurt along with a T206 of Arndt for my cousin's set. I also snagged a '59 Skowron! That leaves me with just 3 cards to complete my '59T set (Mays AS, Darrell Johnson, and the Gibson RC). From the same dealer I got Moose from, I also got a '69T Bobby Cox RC. He's a HOFer, and ofcourse managed my '95 WS Braves! So on to the big news: last second, with about 10 minutes of the show left I decided to ask Kurt about a bundle price on some Bowman & Topps commons. You could say I liked the price: I left with about 200 commons ranging from'49B-'53T. I was super excited with about 170 of them being '49-'52B :) It was a pretty fun show, met another OBCer, really jumped into Bowmans forthe first time, and cracked a joke to Taylor & Doug about how I was born the year OBC was founded haha. -Jake (Jr., The Kid) Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 13:56:54 +0000 (UTC) To: dugout traders , Subject: sunday waiver wire something for everyone From: John Dahms got some stuff for everyone here....all varied conditions. I will warn those with a week stomach the last line is a UV alert.......oh my! send addresses with requests 1959 topps baseball 70 75 232 238 325 378 392 1960 171 180 197 201 247 291 327 357 364 1961 127 1968 497 1970 topps 14 35 48 80 93 104 107 110 111 120 123 125 134 163 200 207 224 237 245 246 277 287 294 295 297 298 311 317 319 331 346 358 363 379 381 383 386 388 396 398 401 406 408 412 416 420 423 426 427 435 446 451 452 485 512 513 520 521 523 524 525 528 529 532 533 534 535 540 591 1970 scratchoff sal bando dick bosman (both written on) 1971 topps 22 27 80 108 204 213 256 1972 14 17 28 30 42 55 77 146 151 180 212 222 229 239 306 322 361 483 1973 topps 63 96 132 320 476 74 topps 201 1975 topps 622 1976 topps 72 85 120 130 160 165 174 253 310 334 369 370 415 440 465 510 528 623 631 1977 topps 42 47 164 180 194 216 238 258 263 270 290 371 383 387 399 433 466 484 521 545 573 626 1978 topps 16 26 90 93 206 207 225 282 317 323 384 446 470 473 630 650 1979 topps 2 25 66 110 136 155 220 239 325 345 395 410 415 455 470 540 570600 605 626 644 1979 TCMA 50 152 1979 topps football 142 163 74/75 basketball 191 73/74 basketball 58 205 78/79 hockey 140 1969 topps football 83 1978 topps football 50 1974 packers team checklist UV ALERT!!!!!!!!! 1994 parkhurst tall boys 49 50 60 65 John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 11:45:41 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: sunny waiver wire something for everyone From: LAWRENCE TIPTON rather than a warning why not just post it where it belongs on the correct server? ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 11:47:42 -0400 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Face of the dupes box From: Mike Glasser From the perspective of a new member: I have hundreds of dupes to still give away. The problem is time. My wifewonders if I've become OCD (maybe I have) and I have to split my extra time between sorting new cards and and sending dupes - both of which are greatfun. The problem that I find is finding people who need what I have. The hunt is fun though when I go through various want lists. In particular, because I have lots of non-sports to send, it's a challenge matching cards with whocollects what. Maybe at some point that section of the website could be expanded Its great when people list waivers or send want lists as they tend to get first attention from me because it makes it easier to find what they need. In the meantime, I continue to purchase for myself and refill my dupes withthe intention of redistributing them to others. Thanks for listening. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 10:25 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Face of the dupes box My =E2=9Cdupes=E2=9D box has always contained cards that were recently purchased. At this point in my membership, I would assume that cards sentto me were also recently purchased. I don=E2=99t even look at 50s-60s common baseball cards much anymore, and concentrate on buying discount starsand high numbers. When I buy duplicate cards, I always compare them to what=E2=99s already in my set, upgrade, and the lesser card goes into the dupes box to be sent out. My latest RAOK include 1970 and 1971 Fleer World Series cards that I purchased for less than .25c each, each card compared towhats in my set and upgraded when I can. I think most long time members have emptied their dupes boxes years ago andcards they send out are recent pick-ups. A few times very recent I didn=E2=99t pull the trigger on some great deals because I know I already have these cards. Like everyone I do have a card budget and I do have to limit what I buy to just send out as RAOK. If I need a card for my set, I=E2=99m more apt to pull the trigger. If the card will be a duplicate, I=E2=99m a bit more reserved to pull the trigger. A recent dupe pickup (which I have not got in hand yet) 1953 Bowman baseball color #44 w Hank Bauer/ Yogi/Mickey Mantle books NM $775 and I won at auction for 2% of book, fifteen bucks. (I don=E2=99t think it=E2=99s going to be an upgrade LOL) Options for me would be to Dealer Scum it at cost,RAOK, or possible Guru =E2=9CFree=E2=9D Auction where I have been known to ban bidders:) Now I am on a Ramble. But I think to answer your question, I assume most long time OBC members do not have huge dupes boxes that they are pulling cards to send my way. When a new member has easy hits to their list, maybe those cards come from a true duplicate box. But when I get cards from guys I have been trading with for many years I dought they are pulling them from cards they have had for years. ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 11:52:15 -0400 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON , OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: sunny waiver wire something for everyone From: JDahms ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 11:29:15 -0500 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Face of the dupes box From: Jay Tysver I'm in the same boat as Mike. Way too OCD and spending too much time sorting Something Mike said gave me a thought. Many of us might have a bunch of extra dupes or lots we have no need for. Iwould say these could be called "Closet Cleaners". For example, I accidentally bought a full box of 1990 Score Football instead of 1989. I have also have some more contemporary BB that is just taking up space. Someone might want these. Some could be waivers, but others I'd like to get some small money from as I overextended myself. It might be nice to see an area on our site were people can list cards or lots anywhere from $0 to $20(or some reasonably low number) or even a trade value, of things they want to get rid of. Essentially, this could be like awaiver/wire-dealer scum hybrid. I would think this wouldn't be limited to Vintage only. This could also be a good place for those things which go unclaimed in some of the waiver wires. Jay Tysver On May 22, 2016, at 10:47 AM, "Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > From the perspective of a new member: > I have hundreds of dupes to still give away. The problem is time. My wife wonders if I've become OCD (maybe I have) and I have to split my extra time between sorting new cards and and sending dupes - both of which are great > The problem that I find is finding people who need what I have. The huntis fun though when I go through various want lists. In particular, because I have lots of non-sports to send, it's a challenge matching cards with who collects what. Maybe at some point that section of the website could beexpanded > Its great when people list waivers or send want lists as they tend to getfirst attention from me because it makes it easier to find what they need. > In the meantime, I continue to purchase for myself and refill my dupes with the intention of redistributing them to others. > Thanks for listening. > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 10:25 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Face of the dupes box > My =E2=9Cdupes=E2=9D box has always contained cards that were recently purchased. At this point in my membership, I would assume that cards sent to me were also recently purchased. I don=E2=99t even look at 50s-60scommon baseball cards much anymore, and concentrate on buying discount stars and high numbers. When I buy duplicate cards, I always compare them to what=E2=99s already in my set, upgrade, and the lesser card goes into thedupes box to be sent out. My latest RAOK include 1970 and 1971 Fleer WorldSeries cards that I purchased for less than .25c each, each card compared to whats in my set and upgraded when I can. > I think most long time members have emptied their dupes boxes years ago and cards they send out are recent pick-ups. > A few times very recent I didn=E2=99t pull the trigger on some great deals because I know I already have these cards. Like everyone I do have a card budget and I do have to limit what I buy to just send out as RAOK. If Ineed a card for my set, I=E2=99m more apt to pull the trigger. If the card will be a duplicate, I=E2=99m a bit more reserved to pull the trigger. > A recent dupe pickup (which I have not got in hand yet) 1953 Bowman baseball color #44 w Hank Bauer/ Yogi/Mickey Mantle books NM $775 and I won at auction for 2% of book, fifteen bucks. (I don=E2=99t think it=E2=99s going to be an upgrade LOL) Options for me would be to Dealer Scum it at cost, RAOK, or possible Guru =E2=9CFree=E2=9D Auction where I have been known to ban bidders:) > Now I am on a Ramble. But I think to answer your question, I assume most long time OBC members do not have huge dupes boxes that they are pulling cards to send my way. When a new member has easy hits to their list, maybe those cards come from a true duplicate box. But when I get cards from guys I have been trading with for many years I dought they are pulling them from cards they have had for years. > Guru ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 14:18:45 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Card show report and major kudos to an OBC certified dealer From: Doug DeJong I got to the show in Hickory NC yesterday and met up fellow OBCers Taylor Schock and Jake Brewer. First time to meet Jake and as always it was a pleasure to meet another OBCer. Taylor and I ran into one dealer who had just bought a Ty Cobb 'fan" from someone. Really cool I hadn't planned on getting to the show but some out of town guests cancelled a weekend hike due to the weather so it freed me up. Friday night I read about Mike R-Ws accident so I checked his want list and made note of a couple things to look for. I found a 69 Mays from Mikes Top Five list in Kurt Tourdots table and mentioned I was going to send it to a fellow OBCer who was in an accident in Nicaragua. Kurt immediately knew that would have to be Mike and insisted on giving me the card to send to him. What an awesome dealer and a testimony of how well OBCers are thought of among our dealers. So Mike, I will get that card off soon and hope you enjoy it when it catches up with you! Hope your recovery is swift and complete and you get the vehicle replaced soon. Beside seeing Taylor and Jake the highlight of the show was finding a 1956 Mantle for $100. The surprising thing is the card is in pretty good shape with a light crews in one corner with a fuzzy corner but overall much better than the typical card I picked up. Kurt had one on worse shape for $200 at his table so I was pretty pleased. I managed to chip away a little bit at the 55, 57 and 59 sets as well, although nothing major. All in all a good day looking at cards! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 18:40:03 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: what is happening here From: LAWRENCE TIPTON is this another joke? ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wantlist Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 19:39:53 -0500 Subject: Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Aaron Shirley pre-script: A gentle reminder to please keep post-1980 stuff on the UV server. Alright, moving on. 1980. Here we go. I've gathered all my 1980 cards in one place, checked my wantlists and stuff, and below are my availables and wants. Anyone else whowishes to follow along, please post too! Then after a bit, I will be moving forward, by one year at a time, when I can, posting wants and availables on the UV server, along with some vintage availables on the main wantlist server. But for now, who has 1980 wantlists? Or is there anyone who has not built one of these sets yet? Is there even anyone building a second or third set of these? Etc... 1980 availables!- Cramer Legends: 18 Honus Wagner.- OPC: 60 F.Lynn 87 W.Wilson 135 D.Baker 159 B.Wynegar.- Topps: about 200 different. Send list? Starter - Miscut collectors: Topps 320 Eckersley miscut (plain uncolored stripe on back across card bottom).- Empire Strikes Back: 40-50 card starter set. Send list? Starter set? 1980 wantlists!1980 BURGER KING PHILLIES: 13 Unser, 17 Espinosa, 19 Ruthven, 21 Reed.1980 BURGER KING PITCH HIT & RUN: 17 Reggie, 21 Rose.1980 CRAMER LEGENDS: 15 Jackie - portrait variation.1980 FRANCHISE BABE RUTH: 1-23 25 26 27 30-35 37 39-50 52-57 59-74 77-80.1980 KELLOGGS: 24 Murray, 43 Hernandez.1980 O-PEE-CHEE: 3 6 15 17 21 25 31 37 42 43 44 45 47 48 59 64 68 69 79 88 95 103 108 118 119 124 132 133 140 141 142 146 148 153 155 168 172 174 175 176 182 184 185 191 195 196 199 205 206 209 212 215 219 225 230 232 242 244 245 [248 Bob Shirley x9] 250 254 258 259 265 271 274 279 281 295 300 301303 304 306 308 314 316 320 328 329 331 338 340 342 345 351 356 360 362 369 374.1980 TOPPS VARIATIONS: 387 yellow name. 424 w/ Billy Martin. 547 yellow name. 597 yellow name.1980 TOPPS SUPER: 1-19 21-25 27 29-53 55-60.STARTERS or TYPE CARDS wanted (especially 500HR guys or St.L players):1980 FLEER,LAUGHLIN, PEREZ-STEELE.NONSPORT1980 DUKES OF HAZZARD: 1-28 30-36 38-66. These were the FIRST cards I ever had!1980 EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: RED series one: 12 13 22 23 27 34 35 37 42 51 59 61 62 64 65 67 69 76 78 86 89 94 95 96 97 100 101 103 114 120 122 123 130 132. BLUE series two: 162 166 167 178 184 204 219 221 228 242 244 245 247 250 258. YELLOW series three: 265-269 271273 274 275 277 278 279 280 282 283 284 285 289 292-306 310-314 317-329 332 334-341 343 344 345 348 350 352. STICKERS: 2-41 43-51 53 56-64 66 68 69 70 74 76 78 79 80 82 83 84 85 88. Missing 115 cards and 75 stickers.1980 SUPERMAN II: 39. LAST ONE! Stickers 4-6 8 13 17 18 22. post-script: Please don't think of this as a trade. I'm hoping to "clean out the closet" as has been said a few times lately. So please claim if you can use, and feel no obligation to hit the list. Thanks for looking!Aaron Shirley=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: 22 May 2016 18:32:40 -0700 To: Subject: Post-1980 mentions From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 22 May 2016 18:34:13 -0700 To: Subject: Post-1980 mentions From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 22 May 2016 18:43:43 -0700 To: Subject: Charlies Angels Availables From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= To: Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 21:48:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: "Mark Holland" I feel pretty strongly about the recent comments about post 1980 being on the ramblings server. I know that the UV server is there but I was trying to support a new suggestion made by another OBC member today. Personally I think that it is ridiculous that we have people that make snide comments about those of us trying to give away free cards regardless of which server it is on. Many people post ramblings that don't interest me but I choose to just delete those and read the ones that interest me. My post was intended to be a follow-up to what I thought was a good suggestion, sorry if that offended anyone else. And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sense that we can't send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a 79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity? I don't collect football but I am not offended by reading your FB thank you notes. To the OBC powers to be go ahead and remove me from the OBC roster. I only collect '51-'71 but when it stops being fun then it is time to move on. I have enjoyed my 12 years in the group and wish you well. Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 8:40 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Wantlist Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. pre-script: A gentle reminder to please keep post-1980 stuff on the UV server. Alright, moving on. 1980. Here we go. I've gathered all my 1980 cards in one place, checked my wantlists and stuff, and below are my availables and wants. Anyone else who wishes to follow along, please post too! Then after a bit, I will be moving forward, by one year at a time, when I can, posting wants and availables on the UV server, along with some vintage availables on the main wantlist server. But for now, who has 1980 wantlists? Or is there anyone who has not built one of these sets yet? Is there even anyone building a second or third set of these? Etc... 1980 availables! - Cramer Legends: 18 Honus Wagner. - OPC: 60 F.Lynn 87 W.Wilson 135 D.Baker 159 B.Wynegar. - Topps: about 200 different. Send list? Starter set? - Miscut collectors: Topps 320 Eckersley miscut (plain uncolored stripe on back across card bottom). - Empire Strikes Back: 40-50 card starter set. Send list? Starter set? 1980 wantlists! 1980 BURGER KING PHILLIES: 13 Unser, 17 Espinosa, 19 Ruthven, 21 Reed. 1980 BURGER KING PITCH HIT & RUN: 17 Reggie, 21 Rose. 1980 CRAMER LEGENDS: 15 Jackie - portrait variation. 1980 FRANCHISE BABE RUTH: 1-23 25 26 27 30-35 37 39-50 52-57 59-74 77-80. 1980 KELLOGGS: 24 Murray, 43 Hernandez. 1980 O-PEE-CHEE: 3 6 15 17 21 25 31 37 42 43 44 45 47 48 59 64 68 69 79 88 95 103 108 118 119 124 132 133 140 141 142 146 148 153 155 168 172 174 175 176 182 184 185 191 195 196 199 205 206 209 212 215 219 225 230 232 242 244 245 [248 Bob Shirley x9] 250 254 258 259 265 271 274 279 281 295 300 301 303 304 306 308 314 316 320 328 329 331 338 340 342 345 351 356 360 362 369 374. 1980 TOPPS VARIATIONS: 387 yellow name. 424 w/ Billy Martin. 547 yellow name. 597 yellow name. 1980 TOPPS SUPER: 1-19 21-25 27 29-53 55-60. STARTERS or TYPE CARDS wanted (especially 500HR guys or St.L players): 1980 FLEER, LAUGHLIN, PEREZ-STEELE. 1980 DUKES OF HAZZARD: 1-28 30-36 38-66. These were the FIRST cards I ever 1980 EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: RED series one: 12 13 22 23 27 34 35 37 42 51 59 61 62 64 65 67 69 76 78 86 89 94 95 96 97 100 101 103 114 120 122 123 130 132. BLUE series two: 162 166 167 178 184 204 219 221 228 242 244 245 247 250 258. YELLOW series three: 265-269 271 273 274 275 277 278 279 280 282 283 284 285 289 292-306 310-314 317-329 332 334-341 343 344 345 348 350 352. STICKERS: 2-41 43-51 53 56-64 66 68 69 70 74 76 78 79 80 82 83 84 85 88. Missing 115 cards and 75 stickers. 1980 SUPERMAN II: 39. LAST ONE! Stickers 4-6 8 13 17 18 22. post-script: Please don't think of this as a trade. I'm hoping to "clean out the closet" as has been said a few times lately. So please claim if you can use, and feel no obligation to hit the list. Thanks for looking! Aaron Shirley ================= To: Mark Holland , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 02:50:00 +0000 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Taylor Schock I've always been somewhat bemused that someone could mention something likereceiving "a 59 topps, a 68 topps, and some unmentionable cards that i will thank on the other server", which seems to be allowed, but a no-no to actual mention those cards. Sort of like trying to teach your kids to not use bad words without ever indicating what those words actually are. Is there really an epidemic of abuse here? Seems to me that there is as much noise about the violations as there is from the actual violations themselves. Sent from my Sprint Samsung Galaxy S=AE 6. -------- Original message -------- From: "'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 05/22/2016 9:48 PM (GMT-05:00) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. I feel pretty strongly about the recent comments about post 1980 being on the ramblings server. I know that the UV server is there but I was trying to support a new suggestion made by another OBC member today. Personally I think that it is ridiculous that we have people that make snide comments about those of us trying to give away free cards regardless of which server itis on. Many people post ramblings that don=92t interest me but I choose to just delete those and read the ones that interest me. My post was intended to be a follow-up to what I thought was a good suggestion, sorry if that offended anyone else. And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sensethat we can=92t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a 79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity? I don=92t collect football but I am not offended by reading your FB thank you notes. To the OBC powers to be go ahead and remove me from the OBC roster. I onlycollect =9151-=9171 but when it stops being fun then it is time to move on. I have enjoyed my 12 years in the group and wish you well. Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 8:40 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Wantlist Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. pre-script: A gentle reminder to please keep post-1980 stuff on the UV server. Alright, moving on. 1980. Here we go. I've gathered all my 1980 cards in one place, checked my wantlists and stuff, and below are my availables and wants. Anyone else whowishes to follow along, please post too! Then after a bit, I will be moving forward, by one year at a time, when I can, posting wants and availables on the UV server, along with some vintage availables on the main wantlist server. But for now, who has 1980 wantlists? Or is there anyone who has not built one of these sets yet? Is there even anyone building a second or third set of these? Etc... 1980 availables! - Cramer Legends: 18 Honus Wagner. - OPC: 60 F.Lynn 87 W.Wilson 135 D.Baker 159 B.Wynegar. - Topps: about 200 different. Send list? Starter set? - Miscut collectors: Topps 320 Eckersley miscut (plain uncolored stripe on back across card bottom). - Empire Strikes Back: 40-50 card starter set. Send list? Starter set? 1980 wantlists! 1980 BURGER KING PHILLIES: 13 Unser, 17 Espinosa, 19 Ruthven, 21 Reed. 1980 BURGER KING PITCH HIT & RUN: 17 Reggie, 21 Rose. 1980 CRAMER LEGENDS: 15 Jackie - portrait variation. 1980 FRANCHISE BABE RUTH: 1-23 25 26 27 30-35 37 39-50 52-57 59-74 77-80. 1980 KELLOGGS: 24 Murray, 43 Hernandez. 1980 O-PEE-CHEE: 3 6 15 17 21 25 31 37 42 43 44 45 47 48 59 64 68 69 79 88 95 103 108 118 119 124 132 133 140 141 142 146 148 153 155 168 172 174 175 176 182 184 185 191 195 196 199 205 206 209 212 215 219 225 230 232 242 244245 [248 Bob Shirley x9] 250 254 258 259 265 271 274 279 281 295 300 301 303 304 306 308 314 316 320 328 329 331 338 340 342 345 351 356 360 362 369 374. 1980 TOPPS VARIATIONS: 387 yellow name. 424 w/ Billy Martin. 547 yellow name. 597 yellow name. 1980 TOPPS SUPER: 1-19 21-25 27 29-53 55-60. STARTERS or TYPE CARDS wanted (especially 500HR guys or St.L players): 1980 FLEER, LAUGHLIN, PEREZ-STEELE. 1980 DUKES OF HAZZARD: 1-28 30-36 38-66. These were the FIRST cards I ever had! 1980 EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: RED series one: 12 13 22 23 27 34 35 37 42 51 59 61 62 64 65 67 69 76 78 86 89 94 95 96 97 100 101 103 114 120 122 123 130 132. BLUE series two: 162 166 167 178 184 204 219 221 228 242 244 245 247 250 258. YELLOW series three: 265-269 271 273 274 275 277 278 279 280 282 283284 285 289 292-306 310-314 317-329 332 334-341 343 344 345 348 350 352. STICKERS: 2-41 43-51 53 56-64 66 68 69 70 74 76 78 79 80 82 83 84 85 88. Missing 115 cards and 75 stickers. 1980 SUPERMAN II: 39. LAST ONE! Stickers 4-6 8 13 17 18 22. post-script: Please don't think of this as a trade. I'm hoping to "clean out the closet" as has been said a few times lately. So please claim if you can use, and feel no obligation to hit the list. Thanks for looking! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 22:54:12 -0400 To: mholland28412@ec.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en I am completely sympathetic to your position, Mark. Much of what I see on Ramblings is drivel to me, but nonetheless important to someone else. As you say, it's easy to delete Emails. Rules are fine, but the reasons for imposing them in the first place should be restated often. What is the reason for this rule, and why does it seem to be more important to the AC than most of the others? Best regards, In a message dated 05/22/2016 9:48:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I feel pretty strongly about the recent comments about post 1980 being on the ramblings server. I know that the UV server is there but I was trying to support a new suggestion made by another OBC member today. Personally I think that it is ridiculous that we have people that make snide comments about those of us trying to give away free cards regardless of which server it is on. Many people post ramblings that don=E2=99t interest me but Ichoose just delete those and read the ones that interest me. My post was intended to be a follow-up to what I thought was a good suggestion, sorry if that offended anyone else. And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sense that we can=E2=99t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a 79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity? I don=E2=99t collect football but I am not offended by your FB thank you notes. To the OBC powers to be go ahead and remove me from the OBC roster. I only collect =E251-=E271 but when it stops being fun then it is time to move on. I have enjoyed my 12 years in the group and wish you well. Mark Holland From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 8:40 PM To: OBC Ramblings; Wantlist Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. pre-script: A gentle reminder to please keep post-1980 stuff on the UV server. Alright, moving on. 1980. Here we go. I've gathered all my 1980 cards in one place, checked my wantlists and stuff, and below are my availables and wants. Anyone else who wishes to follow along, please post too! Then after a bit, I will be moving forward, by one year at a time, when I can, posting wants and availables on the UV server, along with some vintage availables on the main wantlist server. But for now, who has 1980 wantlists? Or is there anyone who has not built one of these sets yet? Is there even anyone building a second or third set of these? Etc... 1980 availables! - Cramer Legends: 18 Honus Wagner. - OPC: 60 F.Lynn 87 W.Wilson 135 D.Baker 159 B.Wynegar. - Topps: about 200 different. Send list? Starter set? - Miscut collectors: Topps 320 Eckersley miscut (plain uncolored stripe on back across card bottom). - Empire Strikes Back: 40-50 card starter set. Send list? Starter set? 1980 wantlists! 1980 BURGER KING PHILLIES: 13 Unser, 17 Espinosa, 19 Ruthven, 21 Reed. 1980 BURGER KING PITCH HIT & RUN: 17 Reggie, 21 Rose. 1980 CRAMER LEGENDS: 15 Jackie - portrait variation. 1980 FRANCHISE BABE RUTH: 1-23 25 26 27 30-35 37 39-50 52-57 59-74 77-80. 1980 KELLOGGS: 24 Murray, 43 Hernandez. 1980 O-PEE-CHEE: 3 6 15 17 21 25 31 37 42 43 44 45 47 48 59 64 68 69 79 88 95 103 108 118 119 124 132 133 140 141 142 146 148 153 155 168 172 174 175 176 182 184 185 191 195 196 199 205 206 209 212 215 219 225 230 232 242 244 245 [248 Bob Shirley x9] 250 254 258 259 265 271 274 279 281 295 300 301 303 304 306 308 314 316 320 328 329 331 338 340 342 345 351 356 360 362 369 1980 TOPPS VARIATIONS: 387 yellow name. 424 w/ Billy Martin. 547 yellow name. 597 yellow name. 1980 TOPPS SUPER: 1-19 21-25 27 29-53 55-60. STARTERS or TYPE CARDS wanted (especially 500HR guys or St.L players): 1980 FLEER, LAUGHLIN, PEREZ-STEELE. 1980 DUKES OF HAZZARD: 1-28 30-36 38-66. These were the FIRST cards I ever 1980 EMPIRE STRIKES BACK: RED series one: 12 13 22 23 27 34 35 37 42 51 59 61 62 64 65 67 69 76 78 86 89 94 95 96 97 100 101 103 114 120 122 123 130 132. BLUE series two: 162 166 167 178 184 204 219 221 228 242 244 245 247 250 258. YELLOW series three: 265-269 271 273 274 275 277 278 279 280 282 283 284 285 289 292-306 310-314 317-329 332 334-341 343 344 345 348 350 352. STICKERS: 2-41 43-51 53 56-64 66 68 69 70 74 76 78 79 80 82 83 84 85 88. Missing 115 cards and 75 stickers. 1980 SUPERMAN II: 39. LAST ONE! Stickers 4-6 8 13 17 18 22. post-script: Please don't think of this as a trade. I'm hoping to "clean out the closet" as has been said a few times lately. So please claim if you can use, and feel no obligation to hit the list. Thanks for looking! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 23:57:52 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Randomness From: Ken M ..is that even a word? It looks weird. I always found it a challenge to come up with creative ways to mention UV cards without actually detailing them. If I've crossed the line in the past, then my apologies to the purists in the group. Although I've been in the group a while, I was not around for those first few years. I have a healthy respect for the principles with which it was founded. I'll admit it, I collect UV cards (please, no offers for attending any support group meetings). Do I think it's a pain sometimes sending out two thank you notes for one package? Yes, especially for someone who can't type a lick - and is further slowed by typing 99.9% of my notes with one finger on my tiny phone keypad. But I'll try to do the right thing by combining thanks for a week (or more) if that's what it takes. OBC is too meaningful to me to take the quick and easy way out, even if it makes more sense sometimes. If you're thinking of leaving us over this issue, please reconsider. If you're poised on the delete button to c ensor every message, please stand down. This isn't worth the fight. Practice common sense, common courtesy and random acts of kindness. This group isn't about making sure the right thanks message is on the right server. It's about healing messages to someone who's been in a car accident and how a small gesture on someone else's part can go a long way in that process. I'm getting all sappy now... moving on.  My dupes box - it has evolved over the years as my collecting interests have evolved. When I first joined OBC, I'd hit almost everybody's list almost every month. Now I'd be lucky to find one card on everybody's list over the course of a year. Most of the mainstream sets have been completed by me and anyone else that's been in OBC for the last decade or more. I will never get rid of the 14 copies of those 1978 dp cards I have - but mostly everything else is long gone. Now all that remains are deals I picked up at the Nationals and leftover group lots from sets I'm active ly working on - basically none of which are Topps, Bowman, Fleer or Leaf baseball. Next month, as part of my OBC anniversary, I plan on putting up the great majority of what's in my dupes box on the waiver wire. I'm open to suggestions on what to do with whatever goes unclaimed after that.  Trivia question - kind of a two part question. It is inspired by 1955 Topps #36. Who played in the same season for the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics? And why would that particular card remind me of that bit of trivia? Will post my answer tomorrow, although I'm sure a few of you will answer it beforehand.  Conversation (not verbatim) at work the other day... "Where would I find Men's Shirts?" "Sir, this is a food store." "So you don't have any Men's Shirt's?" "No, sorry."  Conversation #2 "How much are these paper towels (multi packs)?" "They are $5 each when you buy two. Otherwise, they are $5.99 each." The rest of the conversation was spent trying to explain how the cost was $5.99 for e very other number EXCEPT TWO. The sign says 'Must Buy 2'... Is it really that hard to understand? The customer eventually put the 12 packs back on the display and walked away with two.  All right, it's getting late and I have to be up early to pay my toll, sit in traffic and deal with more happy customers. As our dearly departed friend Doc J would say, a night of peace to you all. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 23 May 2016 13:48:36 -0700 To: Subject: Free for the Asking From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: 23 May 2016 18:41:41 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 21:59:25 -0400 To: "directorth@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Bob Donaldson Well said Tom Bob Donaldson On Monday, May 23, 2016, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > As the Facilitator, part of my job is to speak for the members of the AC, > so I will do just that. Forgive the length of this because it turned intoa > Ramble combined with an attempted explanation (A Ramble-nation, if you > will). I will attempt to address the original issue again while answering > the questions from Chuck & Taylor. > Chuck asked the question "What is the reason for this rule?" The rule has > been in place for as long as I have been in OBC. We'd have to ask the > original AC members exactly why they instituted it, but I can speculate > that it was because the group's primary focus is vintage cards, defined as > pre-1980 & perhaps the founders didn't want OBC to become flooded with > post-1981 material & become like other groups. No one has ever proposed > changing the rule (at least that I can remember). Therefore, it is what it > is - a rule instituted by one of the founding ACs which is still in effect > - and posted at the bottom of every Ramble, and which every member should > abide by. > Anyone who subscribes to Ramblings (or any of the other AC sanctioned > groups) should be obligated to follow the rules in effect for that group; > if a member doesn't like the rule, or any other, their options include: > 1) Propose that that the AC change the rule(s). the AC is your elected > body and is responsible for enforcing the rules that exist. But if the AC > decides to keep a rule you disagree with, you still have to follow the > rules. I don't like driving a maximum of 65 on the freeway when there is no > traffic, but the rules are the rules. > 2) Unsubscribe to the server whose rules you disagree with (or ones that > contain what you consider "drivel"). The only mailing group that all OBCers > are required to be subscribed to is Announcements. You can opt out of any > of the others. > 3) Stay subscribed to the Group but set your mail preferences to "No Mail" > so that your inbox won't receive any of those messages. > 4) Accept that you may disagree with the rule, but abide by it anyway. > 5) Or in the last extremity, resign from OBC if you feel so offended by > the rules. > Chuck states that he believes that we should restate the reason for having > rules "often". Why? In what other organization does the ruling committee > have to constantly give reasons for existing rules? The only reason needed > should be "because the AC (any AC) carefully debated the issues involving > said rule and after a vote, instituted that rule." Again, if you have a > problem with or a question about a rule, all you have to do is ask. All of > us agreed to abide by the rules by joining the group. > None of the rules seem unreasonable, at least to me. We have very few > rules to begin with; most of which apply to various mail servers. Don't > thank non-OBCers on Thanks, etc. This issue is not, in Chuck's words, "more > important to the AC than most of the others". It's a rule that was was > overlooked twice in 2 days and needed attention, just like any other rule > that would be disregarded. It's important that it be addressed now because > there were back-to-back violations of it, a member objected, an AC member > objected, and the AC's role (one of them) is to see that the group keeps to > the rules. Since we don't have any type of sanctions against members who > break the rules (nor should we, IMO, unless someone repeatedly does so > despite warnings), the only remedy is for the AC to step in,so step in I > did. > One OBCer openly made his feelings known about UV listings by posting his > reactions to Ramblings. An AC member who shall remain anonymous for now > also expressed his concern. Yet another member e-mailed me privately after > the dust-up yesterday, expressing support for enforcing the rules & > stopping the practice of blurring the lines, so there is some vocal support > for keeping to the rules, just as Mark, Chuck & Taylor object to my take. > Perhaps the majority of the group feels one way or the other, or couldn't > care less, since I've seen no other reactions. > I did not attack Mark by name; he was the one whose 1999 waiver post on > Ramblings prompted my message. He chose to take offense. In his e-mail he > admitted his posting of UV material to Ramblings was intentional. Accidents > happen, we get that, but for him to jump all over me for saying "follow the > rules" seemed to be an over-reaction, especially since he violated the rule > on purpose, good intention or not. He also stated > 'And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make > sense that we can=E2=99t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a 79T > & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people > for their generosity?" > Whether it makes sense or not to a particular member - it's a rule. So > yeah, in that sense, it makes sense. Does it make sense to drive at the > speed limit when there are no cars around for miles and the weather is > perfect? Maybe not. But it's a rule. Is it that much of an inconvenience to > follow the rules & take an extra minute to post to the UV server? If you > don't like it, propose a change to those rules. > Taylor writes: > "Is there really an epidemic of abuse here? Seems to me that there is as > much noise about the violations as there is from the actual violations > themselves." > No, of course there's no epidemic.. However, this one particular issue > seems to pop up once a year or so, and if it isn't brought up, suddenly the > line can get so blurred that it doesn't exist any more. > Remember, if you don't like the rules, propose a change. If the change > doesn't occur to your liking, run for a spot on the AC & work for change > from within the governing body. > Tom Housley > Facilitator ================= To: , Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 19:26:47 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: "Grant Rainsley" I have been here since 1997, the rule was in place then. I=E2=99m completely on board with both the rule and Tom=E2=99s response to the present =E2=9Cissue.=E2=9D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 6:42 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. As the Facilitator, part of my job is to speak for the members of the AC, so I will do just that. Forgive the length of this because it turned into a Ramble combined with an attempted explanation (A Ramble-nation, if you will). I will attempt to address the original issue again while answering the questions from Chuck & Taylor. Chuck asked the question "What is the reason for this rule?" The rule has been in place for as long as I have been in OBC. We'd have to ask the original AC members exactly why they instituted it, but I can speculate that it was because the group's primary focus is vintage cards, defined as pre-1980 & perhaps the founders didn't want OBC to become flooded with post-1981 material & become like other groups. No one has ever proposed changing the rule (at least that I can remember). Therefore, it is what it is - a rule instituted by one of the founding ACs which is still in effect - and posted at the bottom of every Ramble, and which every member should abide by. Anyone who subscribes to Ramblings (or any of the other AC sanctioned groups) should be obligated to follow the rules in effect for that group; if a member doesn't like the rule, or any other, their options include: 1) Propose that that the AC change the rule(s). the AC is your elected bodyand is responsible for enforcing the rules that exist. But if the AC decides to keep a rule you disagree with, you still have to follow the rules. I don't like driving a maximum of 65 on the freeway when there is no traffic,but the rules are the rules. 2) Unsubscribe to the server whose rules you disagree with (or ones that contain what you consider "drivel"). The only mailing group that all OBCers are required to be subscribed to is Announcements. You can opt out of any ofthe 3) Stay subscribed to the Group but set your mail preferences to "No Mail" so that your inbox won't receive any of those messages. 4) Accept that you may disagree with the rule, but abide by it anyway. 5) Or in the last extremity, resign from OBC if you feel so offended by therules. Chuck states that he believes that we should restate the reason for having rules "often". Why? In what other organization does the ruling committee have to constantly give reasons for existing rules? The only reason needed should be "because the AC (any AC) carefully debated the issues involving said rule and after a vote, instituted that rule." Again, if you have a problem with or a question about a rule, all you have to do is ask. All of us agreed to abide by the rules by joining the group. None of the rules seem unreasonable, at least to me. We have very few rulesto begin with; most of which apply to various mail servers. Don't thank non-OBCers on Thanks, etc. This issue is not, in Chuck's words, "more important to the AC than most of the others". It's a rule that was was overlooked twice in 2 days and needed attention, just like any other rule that would be disregarded. It's important that it be addressed now because there were back-to-back violations of it, a member objected, an AC member objected, andthe AC's role (one of them) is to see that the group keeps to the rules. Since we don't have any type of sanctions against members who break the rules (nor should we, IMO, unless someone repeatedly does so despite warnings), the only remedy is for the AC to step in,so step in I did. One OBCer openly made his feelings known about UV listings by posting his reactions to Ramblings. An AC member who shall remain anonymous for now alsoexpressed his concern. Yet another member e-mailed me privately after the dust-up yesterday, expressing support for enforcing the rules & stopping the practice of blurring the lines, so there is some vocal support for keeping to the rules, just as Mark, Chuck & Taylor object to my take. Perhaps the majority of the group feels one way or the other, or couldn't care less, since I've seen no other reactions. I did not attack Mark by name; he was the one whose 1999 waiver post on Ramblings prompted my message. He chose to take offense. In his e-mail he admitted his posting of UV material to Ramblings was intentional. Accidents happen, we get that, but for him to jump all over me for saying "follow the rules" seemed to be an over-reaction, especially since he violated the rule on purpose, good intention or not. He also stated 'And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sense that we can=E2=99t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity?" Whether it makes sense or not to a particular member - it's a rule. So yeah, in that sense, it makes sense. Does it make sense to drive at the speed limit when there are no cars around for miles and the weather is perfect? Maybe not. But it's a rule. Is it that much of an inconvenience to follow therules & take an extra minute to post to the UV server? If you don't like it, propose a change to those rules. Taylor writes: "Is there really an epidemic of abuse here? Seems to me that there is as much noise about the violations as there is from the actual violations themselves." No, of course there's no epidemic.. However, this one particular issue seems to pop up once a year or so, and if it isn't brought up, suddenly the line can get so blurred that it doesn't exist any more. Remember, if you don't like the rules, propose a change. If the change doesn't occur to your liking, run for a spot on the AC & work for change from within the governing body. Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 23 May 2016 20:15:49 -0700 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Rick Somebody can correct me if I'm wrong I only have a comment about the thanksserver. I thought a couple years back the AC voted that it was ok if you got a package with both that you can thank on one server. The guide line waspick the one that most applied to the package. If one vintage with a stackof uv pick uv. Stack of vintage with one uv use the thanks server. Simple version, my memory is pretty good still so I don't think I'm pulling this out of thin air. Rick Sent from my iPad > On May 23, 2016, at 6:41 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > As the Facilitator, part of my job is to speak for the members of the AC,so I will do just that. Forgive the length of this because it turned into a Ramble combined with an attempted explanation (A Ramble-nation, if you will). I will attempt to address the original issue again while answering thequestions from Chuck & Taylor. > Chuck asked the question "What is the reason for this rule?" The rule hasbeen in place for as long as I have been in OBC. We'd have to ask the original AC members exactly why they instituted it, but I can speculate that itwas because the group's primary focus is vintage cards, defined as pre-1980 & perhaps the founders didn't want OBC to become flooded with post-1981 material & become like other groups. No one has ever proposed changing the rule (at least that I can remember). Therefore, it is what it is - a rule instituted by one of the founding ACs which is still in effect - and posted at the bottom of every Ramble, and which every member should abide by. > Anyone who subscribes to Ramblings (or any of the other AC sanctioned groups) should be obligated to follow the rules in effect for that group; if amember doesn't like the rule, or any other, their options include: > 1) Propose that that the AC change the rule(s). the AC is your elected body and is responsible for enforcing the rules that exist. But if the AC decides to keep a rule you disagree with, you still have to follow the rules. I don't like driving a maximum of 65 on the freeway when there is no traffic, but the rules are the rules. > 2) Unsubscribe to the server whose rules you disagree with (or ones that contain what you consider "drivel"). The only mailing group that all OBCersare required to be subscribed to is Announcements. You can opt out of any of the others. > 3) Stay subscribed to the Group but set your mail preferences to "No Mail" so that your inbox won't receive any of those messages. > 4) Accept that you may disagree with the rule, but abide by it anyway. > 5) Or in the last extremity, resign from OBC if you feel so offended by the > Chuck states that he believes that we should restate the reason for having rules "often". Why? In what other organization does the ruling committee have to constantly give reasons for existing rules? The only reason needed should be "because the AC (any AC) carefully debated the issues involving said rule and after a vote, instituted that rule." Again, if you have a problem with or a question about a rule, all you have to do is ask. All of us agreed to abide by the rules by joining the group. > None of the rules seem unreasonable, at least to me. We have very few rules to begin with; most of which apply to various mail servers. Don't thank non-OBCers on Thanks, etc. This issue is not, in Chuck's words, "more important to the AC than most of the others". It's a rule that was was overlooked twice in 2 days and needed attention, just like any other rule that wouldbe disregarded. It's important that it be addressed now because there wereback-to-back violations of it, a member objected, an AC member objected, and the AC's role (one of them) is to see that the group keeps to the rules.Since we don't have any type of sanctions against members who break the rules (nor should we, IMO, unless someone repeatedly does so despite warnings), the only remedy is for the AC to step in,so step in I did. > One OBCer openly made his feelings known about UV listings by posting hisreactions to Ramblings. An AC member who shall remain anonymous for now also expressed his concern. Yet another member e-mailed me privately after the dust-up yesterday, expressing support for enforcing the rules & stopping the practice of blurring the lines, so there is some vocal support for keeping to the rules, just as Mark, Chuck & Taylor object to my take. Perhaps the majority of the group feels one way or the other, or couldn't care less, since I've seen no other reactions. > I did not attack Mark by name; he was the one whose 1999 waiver post on Ramblings prompted my message. He chose to take offense. In his e-mail he admitted his posting of UV material to Ramblings was intentional. Accidents happen, we get that, but for him to jump all over me for saying "follow the rules" seemed to be an over-reaction, especially since he violated the ruleon purpose, good intention or not. He also stated > 'And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sense that we can=E2=99t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includesa 79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity?" > Whether it makes sense or not to a particular member - it's a rule. So yeah, in that sense, it makes sense. Does it make sense to drive at the speedlimit when there are no cars around for miles and the weather is perfect? Maybe not. But it's a rule. Is it that much of an inconvenience to follow the rules & take an extra minute to post to the UV server? If you don't likeit, propose a change to those rules. > Taylor writes: > "Is there really an epidemic of abuse here? Seems to me that there is asmuch noise about the violations as there is from the actual violations themselves." > No, of course there's no epidemic.. However, this one particular issue seems to pop up once a year or so, and if it isn't brought up, suddenly the line can get so blurred that it doesn't exist any more. > Remember, if you don't like the rules, propose a change. If the change doesn't occur to your liking, run for a spot on the AC & work for change fromwithin the governing body. > Tom Housley > Facilitator ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 00:22:18 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Randomness From: Ken M Yesterday's trivia question ispired by 1955 Topps #36 (Leo Kiely of the Red Sox) was"Who played for the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics in the same season?"Answer: John Kiley, who did it from 1953 to 1984. He was the organist at Fenway Park and the Boston Garden. (He actually started at Fenway in 1941 and ended his Garden playing in 1989 according to Wikipedia).Ray Luurs came up with the correct answer and since he probably doesn't need it, will get honorary status as the sender of today's prize: a 1955 Topps #36 Leo Kiely to the first person to claim it with their mailing address. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Mon, May 23, 2016 12:03 AMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Randomness ...is that even a word? It looks weird. I always found it a challenge to come up with creative ways to mention UV cards without actually detailing them. If I've crossed the line in the past, then my apologies to the purists in the group. Although I've been in the group a while, I was not around for those first few years. I have a healthy respect for the principles with which it was founded. I'll admit it, I collect UV cards (please, no offers for attending any support group meetings). Do I think it's a pain sometimes sending out two thank you notes for one package? Yes, especially for someone who can't type a lick - and is further slowed by typing 99.9% of my notes with one finger on my tiny phone keypad. But I'll try to do the r ight thing by combining thanks for a week (or more) if that's what it takes. OBC is too meaningful to me to take the quick and easy way out, even if it makes more sense sometimes. If you're thinking of leaving us over this issue, please reconsider. If you're poised on the delete button to censor every message, please stand down. This isn't worth the fight. Practice common sense, common courtesy and random acts of kindness. This group isn't about making sure the right thanks message is on the right server. It's about healing messages to someone who's been in a car accident and how a small gesture on someone else's part can go a long way in that process. I'm getting all sappy now... moving on.  My dupes box - it has evolved over the years as my collecting interests have evolved. When I first joined OBC, I'd hit almost everybody's list almost every month. Now I'd be lucky to find one card on everybody's list over the c ourse of a year. Most of the mainstream sets have been completed by me and anyone else that's been in OBC for the last decade or more. I will never get rid of the 14 copies of those 1978 dp cards I have - but mostly everything else is long gone. Now all that remains are deals I picked up at the Nationals and leftover group lots from sets I'm acti vely working on - basically none of which are Topps, Bowman, Fleer or Leaf baseball. Next month, as part of my OBC anniversary, I plan on putting up the great majority of what's in my dupes box on the waiver wire. I'm open to suggestions on what to do with whatever goes unclaimed after that.  Trivia question - kind of a two part question. It is inspired by 1955 Topps #36. Who played in the same season for the Red Sox, Bruins and Celtics? And why would that particular card remind me of that bit of trivia? Will post my answer tomorrow, although I'm sure a few of you will answe r it beforehand.  Conversation (not verbatim) at work the other day... "Where would I find Men's Shirts?" "Sir, this is a food store." "So you don't have any Men's Shirt's?" "No, sorry."  Conversation #2 "How much are these paper towels (multi packs)?" "They are $5 each when you buy two. Otherwise, they are $5.99 each." The rest of the conversation was spent trying to explain how the cost was $5.99 fo r every other number EXCEPT TWO. The sign says 'Must Buy 2'... Is it really that hard to understand? The customer eventually put the 12 packs back on the display and walked away with two.  All right, it's getting late and I have to be up early to pay my toll, sit in traffic and deal with more happy customers. As our dearly departed friend Doc J would say, a night of peace to you all. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 08:04:42 -0500 Subject: Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: "George Vrechek" Recent discussions encouraged peaceful feedback on the matter. Here are some Another way of saving ink on thanks for post 1980 stuff has been thanking people for "unmentionables" which gets the job done and gently defers to our rules. I don't collect any post 1980 cards anymore and pretty much ignore them. When I go to a show, I make a 3 second scan of a table and will keep walking if I don't see any (pre 1981) vintage. Nonetheless, it somewhat surprises me that our group has stayed with the pre-1981 only focus. I thought I might be in a small minority by now of people who were only interested in really old stuff. (My wantlist gets more obscure each year.) When the group started, the 1981 cards were 15 years old (the same as 2001 cards today). Some of our younger members view 1981 as their childhood memories. My daughters are around 40 and their "vintage" memories would be Star Wars cards and maybe a 1980 Topps Larry Christiansen card who they thought looked "cute." When I was a kid, we always wanted cards from the latest year to show the most recent stats and the current team uniform for the player. Who wanted those small little Bowman cards with no stats? I think it is great that many of our members collect cards of people who are actually still playing the game today. What a concept! For now, the approach has been to have separate email groups and separate wantlists for post-1980 stuff. That seems like a reasonable approach for now in accommodating everyone. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "George Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:03:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Mac Wubben Joe Adriance and I discussed this a bit too. I think UV has to eventually be included...it's just a question of when. A rolling 35 year old (or 40?)rule would seem to allow for some updating of what's allowable. Kind of like the definition of a classic car...once it's a certain age, then it's classic. That said, thanks to Tom for handling the not very fun job of enforcing therules. I think the rules are clear enough and easy to follow. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:04 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. Recent discussions encouraged peaceful feedback on the matter. Here are some Another way of saving ink on thanks for post 1980 stuff has been thanking people for "unmentionables" which gets the job done and gently defers to ourrules. I don't collect any post 1980 cards anymore and pretty much ignore them. When I go to a show, I make a 3 second scan of a table and will keep walking if I don't see any (pre 1981) vintage. Nonetheless, it somewhat surprises me that our group has stayed with the pre-1981 only focus. I thought I might be in a small minority by now of people who were only interested in really old stuff. (My wantlist gets more obscure each year.) When the group started, the 1981 cards were 15 years old (the same as 2001 cards today). Some of our younger members view 1981 as their childhood memories. My daughters are around 40 and their "vintage" memories would be Star Wars cards and maybe a 1980 Topps Larry Christiansen card who they thought looked "cute." When I was a kid, we always wanted cards from the latest year to show the most recent stats and the current team uniform for the player. Who wanted those small little Bowman cards with no stats? I think it is great that many of our members collect cards of people whoare actually still playing the game today. What a concept! For now, the approach has been to have separate email groups and separate wantlists for post-1980 stuff. That seems like a reasonable approach for nowin accommodating everyone. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 08:27:54 -0700 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Geordie Calvert Mac, I completely understand your line of thinking. I get that some people can get behind the idea that something that is 30 to 40 years old can or should be considered vintage. What that immediately reminded me of is classic rock. To me, classic rock is music that is from the 60s and 70s. However, for some time our local classic rock station has been playing Guns & Roses, Metallica and AC/DC along with the Stones, Beatles and CS&N. AC/DC might marginally be interpreted as classic rock, as they started in the 70s. The other two? Not so much. Just because a song is 30 years old doesn't make it the same "classic" as has always been applied to those older artists. At least that's the way I see it. OBC has consistently chosen to have a line of demarcation between vintage and "UV", which is 1980. IMO, that line is necessary and shouldn't be moved.That line has defined us for what, 25 years now? Great conversation, and I think every few years or so it becomes freshly relevant. New members come in who don't have the history or perspective in the group, or maybe older members soften their stance on UV. Maybe instead of UV we can start calling post-1980 cards "modern"? > On May 24, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Joe Adriance and I discussed this a bit too. I think UV has to eventually be included...it's just a question of when. A rolling 35 year old (or 40?) rule would seem to allow for some updating of what's allowable. Kind oflike the definition of a classic car...once it's a certain age, then it's classic. > That said, thanks to Tom for handling the not very fun job of enforcing the rules. I think the rules are clear enough and easy to follow. > Mac > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:04 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. > Recent discussions encouraged peaceful feedback on the matter. Here are some > Another way of saving ink on thanks for post 1980 stuff has been thankingpeople for =E2=9Cunmentionables=E2=9D which gets the job done and gently defers to our rules. I don=E2=99t collect any post 1980 cards anymore and pretty much ignore them. When I go to a show, I make a 3 second scanof a table and will keep walking if I don=E2=99t see any (pre 1981) vintage. > Nonetheless, it somewhat surprises me that our group has stayed with the pre-1981 only focus. I thought I might be in a small minority by now of people who were only interested in really old stuff. (My wantlist gets more obscure each year.) When the group started, the 1981 cards were 15 years old (the same as 2001 cards today). Some of our younger members view 1981 as their childhood memories. My daughters are around 40 and their =E2=9Cvintage=E2=9D memories would be Star Wars cards and maybe a 1980 Topps Larry Christiansen card who they thought looked =E2=9Ccute.=E2=9D When I was a kid, we always wanted cards from the latest year to show the most recent stats and the current team uniform for the player. Who wanted those small little Bowman cards with no stats? I think it is great that many of our members collect cards of people who are actually still playing the game today. What a concept! > For now, the approach has been to have separate email groups and separatewantlists for post-1980 stuff. That seems like a reasonable approach for now in accommodating everyone. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:56:13 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970s wants From: Robert Fitts I=92m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated rob fitts 4418 waldo ave bronx ny 10471 1969 : 85 95 105 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 1970 : 55 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 1971 : 14 40 75 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 413 466 470 478 492 580595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 1972 : 179 250 286 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 1973 : 38 130 230 235 255 275 295 335 337 380 423 455 456 547 554 625 1974 : 28 79 80 103 130 132 141 155 245 264 291 312 319 325 392 495 510 1975 140 244 375 376 390 486 570 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 1977 : 70 170 359 485 505 1978 : 10 60 175 200 335 350 485 500 620 630 668 1979 : 60 250 310 335 595 637 648 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 09:36:38 -0400 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en I am writing to clarify a few things. This rule makes common sense, and I am happy to comply with it. My concern is with an excessively bureaucratic application/enforcement of the rules, especially a trivial one like this. It should never come to the point where a 12-years-member is considering resigning over a minor My suggestion is the AC send out a general reminder every six months, but NEVER pillory an offender in front of the entire group. That is extremely bad form, in my opinion. It may be that the transgressor is not identifiedby name, but a brief review of recent messages on the servers makes it easy to find out Instead, a private message can be sent. Tom's attitude toward compliance with the rules calls to mind what I used to tell my first wife about the rules of our marriage: "There are only two rules: The first rule is to know the rules. The second rule is to obey them." No surprise, she is now my ex wife. Best regards, In a message dated 05/23/2016 9:41:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: As the Facilitator, part of my job is to speak for the members of the AC, so I will do just that. Forgive the length of this because it turned into a Ramble combined with an attempted explanation (A Ramble-nation, if you will). I will attempt to address the original issue again while answering the questions from Chuck & Taylor. Chuck asked the question "What is the reason for this rule?" The rule has been in place for as long as I have been in OBC. We'd have to ask the original AC members exactly why they instituted it, but I can speculate that was because the group's primary focus is vintage cards, defined as pre-1980 & perhaps the founders didn't want OBC to become flooded with post-1981 material & become like other groups. No one has ever proposed changing the rule (at least that I can remember). Therefore, it is what it is - a rule instituted by one of the founding ACs which is still in effect - and posted the bottom of every Ramble, and which every member should abide by. Anyone who subscribes to Ramblings (or any of the other AC sanctioned groups) should be obligated to follow the rules in effect for that group; if member doesn't like the rule, or any other, their options include: 1) Propose that that the AC change the rule(s). the AC is your elected body and is responsible for enforcing the rules that exist. But if the AC decides to keep a rule you disagree with, you still have to follow the rules. don't like driving a maximum of 65 on the freeway when there is no traffic, but the rules are the rules. 2) Unsubscribe to the server whose rules you disagree with (or ones that contain what you consider "drivel"). The only mailing group that all OBCers are required to be subscribed to is Announcements. You can opt out of any of the others. 3) Stay subscribed to the Group but set your mail preferences to "No Mail" so that your inbox won't receive any of those messages. 4) Accept that you may disagree with the rule, but abide by it anyway. 5) Or in the last extremity, resign from OBC if you feel so offended by the rules. Chuck states that he believes that we should restate the reason for having rules "often". Why? In what other organization does the ruling committee have to constantly give reasons for existing rules? The only reason needed should be "because the AC (any AC) carefully debated the issues involving said rule and after a vote, instituted that rule." Again, if you have a problem with or a question about a rule, all you have to do is ask. All ofus agreed to abide by the rules by joining the group. None of the rules seem unreasonable, at least to me. We have very few rules to begin with; most of which apply to various mail servers. Don't thank non-OBCers on Thanks, etc. This issue is not, in Chuck's words, "more important to the AC than most of the others". It's a rule that was was overlooked twice in 2 days and needed attention, just like any other rule that would be disregarded. It's important that it be addressed now because there were back-to-back violations of it, a member objected, an AC member objected, and the AC's role (one of them) is to see that the group keeps to the rules. Since we don't have any type of sanctions against members who break the rules (nor should we, IMO, unless someone repeatedly does so despite warnings), the only remedy is for the AC to step in,so step in I did. One OBCer openly made his feelings known about UV listings by posting his reactions to Ramblings. An AC member who shall remain anonymous for now also expressed his concern. Yet another member e-mailed me privately after the dust-up yesterday, expressing support for enforcing the rules & stopping the practice of blurring the lines, so there is some vocal support for keeping to the rules, just as Mark, Chuck & Taylor object to my take. Perhaps the majority of the group feels one way or the other, or couldn't care less, since I've seen no other reactions. I did not attack Mark by name; he was the one whose 1999 waiver post on Ramblings prompted my message. He chose to take offense. In his e-mail he admitted his posting of UV material to Ramblings was intentional. Accidents happen, we get that, but for him to jump all over me for saying "follow the rules" seemed to be an over-reaction, especially since he violated the rule on purpose, good intention or not. He also stated 'And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sense that we can=E2=99t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a 79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity?" Whether it makes sense or not to a particular member - it's a rule. So yeah, in that sense, it makes sense. Does it make sense to drive at the speed limit when there are no cars around for miles and the weather is perfect? Maybe not. But it's a rule. Is it that much of an inconvenience to follow the rules & take an extra minute to post to the UV server? If you don't like it, propose a change to those rules. Taylor writes: "Is there really an epidemic of abuse here? Seems to me that there is as much noise about the violations as there is from the actual violations No, of course there's no epidemic.. However, this one particular issue seems to pop up once a year or so, and if it isn't brought up, suddenly the line can get so blurred that it doesn't exist any more. Remember, if you don't like the rules, propose a change. If the change doesn't occur to your liking, run for a spot on the AC & work for change from within the governing body. Tom Housley ================= To: Robert Fitts , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:54:41 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants From: richard dingman I'll be sending: 1975 486, 1972 179, 1971 40 & 75, 1970 55, 1969 105. Richard D > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:56:13 -0400 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants > I=92m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated > rob fitts > 4418 waldo ave > bronx ny 10471 > 1969 : 85 95 105 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 55 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 40 75 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 413 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 179 250 286 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 255 275 295 335 337 380 423 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 28 79 80 103 130 132 141 155 245 264 291 312 319 325 392 495 510 > 1975 140 244 375 376 390 486 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 70 170 359 485 505 > 1978 : 10 60 175 200 335 350 485 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 60 250 310 335 595 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= To: Robert Fitts , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 14:53:06 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants From: richard dingman I'll be sending: 1975 486, 1972 179, 1971 40 & 75, 1970 55, 1969 105. Richard D > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:56:13 -0400 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants > I=92m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated > rob fitts > 4418 waldo ave > bronx ny 10471 > 1969 : 85 95 105 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 55 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 40 75 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 413 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 179 250 286 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 255 275 295 335 337 380 423 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 28 79 80 103 130 132 141 155 245 264 291 312 319 325 392 495 510 > 1975 140 244 375 376 390 486 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 70 170 359 485 505 > 1978 : 10 60 175 200 335 350 485 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 60 250 310 335 595 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= To: Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 17:30:12 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: "Mark Holland" OK guys, I am the one that probably got this started so let me clear thingsup. I did intentionally post to the ramblings server but not with the intention of promoting UV products. I was trying to build on an idea suggested on the ramblings server earlier in the day. Had the lot on my shelf beena 1979 non-sport set we wouldn=E2=99t even be having this discussion. But in my haste to promote the idea, I forgot that using a UV product may be crossing the line and actually hinder achieving my goal. In hindsight, Iwould not make the same decision today after reviewing all the server rules. With that being said the AC does need to look at the rules for the Ramblings server as it makes no mention of discussing UV. One has to read downfarther to see under UVlist that UV ramblings should be on the UV server only. Don=E2=99t get defensive, the Thank You server mentions no UV as well as the Wantlist server. One would have to wonder why the Ramblings server omits mention of UV if it was not desired since the other 2 include the verbiage. The fact that this comes up every few years shows that we have some gray area somewhere needing clarification. I don=E2=99t think anyone maliciously says let me mess with the =E2=9Cpurist=E2=9D and post aUV ramble. I know that I did not think of it that way. I don=E2=99t even actively collect UV, walk right past them at shows. This whole thing was 100% based how some chose to air their feelings regarding my ramble publicly. What really got to me was the snide comment from amember stating =E2=9Cwhat=E2=99s going on here=E2=9D? And then the reiteration of the rules like I was a grade school kid. A simple what are you thinking note would have given me the opportunity to explain it wasn=E2=99t about the UV cards but the new idea. Then I could have apologized to the group and we could have moved on to talk about the miserable season my Braves are having. We all make mistakes. What I used to tell my teamat work was =E2=9Cthe only bad mistake is one that you don=E2=99t learn from=E2=9D. In this case, I have learned that OBC means too much tome to let a few people ruin it for me. I have also learned that some people in OBC are too hard core about the UV rule but it=E2=99s their life and their choice. I personally would never get that worked up over it but that is only my perspective. I have grown to look forward to reading all ofthe rambles. A night is not complete until I hear what Ken M did that day. If you are still with me, I apologize for stirring up this hornets=E2=99nest again. And like Tom said, one of the options is to run for the AC next year and work on changes. We are clearly, without a doubt the best online club out there. And nothing in our group is broken. We just need to consider softening some of the hard core rules and the methods used to enforcethem. So I am already throwing my hat in the ring for next year. And Ken M, can you give us another bed time story to read tonight? How badis the traffic in your new commute? Did you pull a double? Thanks guys, From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:37 AM To: directorth@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. I am writing to clarify a few things. This rule makes common sense, and I am happy to comply with it. My concern is with an excessively bureaucratic application/enforcement of the rules, especially a trivial one like this. It should never come to the point where a 12-years-member is considering resigning over a minor transgression. My suggestion is the AC send out a general reminder every six months, but NEVER pillory an offender in front of the entire group. That is extremely bad form, in my opinion. It may be that the transgressor is not identified byname, but a brief review of recent messages on the servers makes it easy to find out Instead, a private message can be sent. Tom's attitude toward compliance with the rules calls to mind what I used to tell my first wife about the rules of our marriage: "There are only two rules: The first rule is to know the rules. The second rule is to obey them." No surprise, she is now my ex wife. Best regards, In a message dated 05/23/2016 9:41:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com As the Facilitator, part of my job is to speak for the members of the AC, so I will do just that. Forgive the length of this because it turned into a Ramble combined with an attempted explanation (A Ramble-nation, if you will). I will attempt to address the original issue again while answering the questions from Chuck & Taylor. Chuck asked the question "What is the reason for this rule?" The rule has been in place for as long as I have been in OBC. We'd have to ask the original AC members exactly why they instituted it, but I can speculate that it was because the group's primary focus is vintage cards, defined as pre-1980 & perhaps the founders didn't want OBC to become flooded with post-1981 material & become like other groups. No one has ever proposed changing the rule (at least that I can remember). Therefore, it is what it is - a rule instituted by one of the founding ACs which is still in effect - and posted at the bottom of every Ramble, and which every member should abide by. Anyone who subscribes to Ramblings (or any of the other AC sanctioned groups) should be obligated to follow the rules in effect for that group; if a member doesn't like the rule, or any other, their options include: 1) Propose that that the AC change the rule(s). the AC is your elected bodyand is responsible for enforcing the rules that exist. But if the AC decides to keep a rule you disagree with, you still have to follow the rules. I don't like driving a maximum of 65 on the freeway when there is no traffic,but the rules are the rules. 2) Unsubscribe to the server whose rules you disagree with (or ones that contain what you consider "drivel"). The only mailing group that all OBCers are required to be subscribed to is Announcements. You can opt out of any ofthe 3) Stay subscribed to the Group but set your mail preferences to "No Mail" so that your inbox won't receive any of those messages. 4) Accept that you may disagree with the rule, but abide by it anyway. 5) Or in the last extremity, resign from OBC if you feel so offended by therules. Chuck states that he believes that we should restate the reason for having rules "often". Why? In what other organization does the ruling committee have to constantly give reasons for existing rules? The only reason needed should be "because the AC (any AC) carefully debated the issues involving said rule and after a vote, instituted that rule." Again, if you have a problem with or a question about a rule, all you have to do is ask. All of us agreed to abide by the rules by joining the group. None of the rules seem unreasonable, at least to me. We have very few rulesto begin with; most of which apply to various mail servers. Don't thank non-OBCers on Thanks, etc. This issue is not, in Chuck's words, "more important to the AC than most of the others". It's a rule that was was overlooked twice in 2 days and needed attention, just like any other rule that would be disregarded. It's important that it be addressed now because there were back-to-back violations of it, a member objected, an AC member objected, andthe AC's role (one of them) is to see that the group keeps to the rules. Since we don't have any type of sanctions against members who break the rules (nor should we, IMO, unless someone repeatedly does so despite warnings), the only remedy is for the AC to step in,so step in I did. One OBCer openly made his feelings known about UV listings by posting his reactions to Ramblings. An AC member who shall remain anonymous for now alsoexpressed his concern. Yet another member e-mailed me privately after the dust-up yesterday, expressing support for enforcing the rules & stopping the practice of blurring the lines, so there is some vocal support for keeping to the rules, just as Mark, Chuck & Taylor object to my take. Perhaps the majority of the group feels one way or the other, or couldn't care less, since I've seen no other reactions. I did not attack Mark by name; he was the one whose 1999 waiver post on Ramblings prompted my message. He chose to take offense. In his e-mail he admitted his posting of UV material to Ramblings was intentional. Accidents happen, we get that, but for him to jump all over me for saying "follow the rules" seemed to be an over-reaction, especially since he violated the rule on purpose, good intention or not. He also stated 'And while we are on the post 1980 discussion I think it does not make sense that we can=E2=99t send one thank you note for a RAOK that includes a79T & 81T. Does it make sense that we have to send 2 emails to thank people for their generosity?" Whether it makes sense or not to a particular member - it's a rule. So yeah, in that sense, it makes sense. Does it make sense to drive at the speed limit when there are no cars around for miles and the weather is perfect? Maybe not. But it's a rule. Is it that much of an inconvenience to follow therules & take an extra minute to post to the UV server? If you don't like it, propose a change to those rules. Taylor writes: "Is there really an epidemic of abuse here? Seems to me that there is as much noise about the violations as there is from the actual violations themselves." No, of course there's no epidemic.. However, this one particular issue seems to pop up once a year or so, and if it isn't brought up, suddenly the line can get so blurred that it doesn't exist any more. Remember, if you don't like the rules, propose a change. If the change doesn't occur to your liking, run for a spot on the AC & work for change from within the governing body. Tom Housley ================= Date: 24 May 2016 14:53:00 -0700 To: Subject: Waivers: 5/24/16 From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:51:42 -0400 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 20:35:46 -0400 To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com, brightair@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants From: Mike Glasser I'm sending: 72 595 286 73 423 255 74 495 319 141 132 75 244 77 505 70 78 350 200 60 79 250 60 I don't quite understand what these are the starting lineups of? Regardless, they are yours.. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: richard dingman Cc: Robert Fitts ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2016 7:53 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants rob - 1977 #359 and 505 on the way. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2016, at 2:56 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I'll be sending: 1975 486, 1972 179, 1971 40 & 75, 1970 55, 1969 105. Richard D > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 11:56:13 -0400 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants > I=E2=99m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated > rob fitts > 4418 waldo ave > bronx ny 10471 > 1969 : 85 95 105 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 55 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 40 75 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 413 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 179 250 286 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 255 275 295 335 337 380 423 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 28 79 80 103 130 132 141 155 245 264 291 312 319 325 392 495 510 > 1975 140 244 375 376 390 486 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 70 170 359 485 505 > 1978 : 10 60 175 200 335 350 485 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 60 250 310 335 595 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 13:45:37 -0700 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Stanley Cup playoffs From: Ed Wow, Sharks are now further on the road to the finals than ever before!! If you had asked me whether this was likely during their big mid-season slump I would have said not! St Louis clearly has a very good team to make it this far so hopefully the Sharks can close out the series tomorrow and I can start figuring out where I can find a tv to watch some Stanley Cup games while on vacation at "family camp" I went to game three and they had a pretty cool show with wristbands that had different color led lights that would light up in unison - the high techversion of lighters at concerts back in the old days Ed pike Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:12:14 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Ramble by request From: Ken M Good evening gang,  I dropped the kids off early today, so I have a little more time than usual. This'll be a long one, so delete or prepare accordingly.  Is anyone outside of New England interested in the Tom Brady/deflated football/NFL lawsuit saga? I think this may get dragged out until after Brady announces his retirement. One question nobody's asking is, "What if letting the air out of the ball is actually a DISadvantage?" Would we actually care even less (if that's even possible)? Stats show that the ball doesn't travel as far with less air in it - and the stats last year weren't noticeably worse (and most likely better) than the season before when they were fooling with the air pressure. Plus the team has already paid a fine and forfeited a draft pick. Isn't that enough?  I addressed an envelope to Steve Sankner today. Steve lives in Old Bridge, NJ which immediately reminded me of the old IRC chats. They were a lot of fun until the 'OBC' room got taken over by the O ld Bridge Crew. Steve, were you in that OBC before you joined our OBC? :-)  My new store is OK, aside from the life-sucking commute. I'm starting a lot earlier (7am) than in Danvers (9am) to cut down on the time it takes going into town. It's averaged about a half hour inbound (although there was one morning that an accident inside the tunnel made it into an hour and change). The drive home is almost always a nightmare 45 minute minimum - and on the days I pick up the kids in Lynn, I'm sitting in the car for a good two hours before I get home with them. Compare that to the 15 min. ride (20 tops) that I was used to before getting transferred. The new store also happens to be the busiest one in the region, (not that mine was all that slow), so I know why they sent me here. However, they never replaced me when I left. Last week my old manager called the new store looking to borrow me back for a couple days. I haven't pulled any doubles (the company doesn't like paying even 1/4 hr. OT), although I have worked at both stores on Sundays. It's time and a half, so the cheapo company limits full timers to four hours on Sundays and holidays. So I'm double dipping in that regard. I got to bend the ear of the district manager on my last visit to the old store. Hopefully between him and the two store managers, we can get a transfer back to where I belong sooner rather than later - and I can wave to the traffic going the other way on my way to/from work soon.  My take on the UV/vintage line at 1980. It should stay there, as it was an important point in the hobby timeline. There are other trading groups out there that would be better suited to collectors of post-1980 stuff. None of them would be as cool as OBC, at least that's what I gather from talking to members of multiple groups. I was debating on joining another group out there as I've just added :::cough::: 7,000 UV cards :::cough::: to my wantlist. However, I'm reluctant to do so because I hate, Hate , HATE making prearranged trades and certainly don't expect the RAOK's I've grown accustomed to (and love delivering) here. Plus, it's not as meaningful getting a card that looks like a 1950's/60's Topps as opposed to getting the real deal.  Took the kids to a playground in Saugus yesterday. They are sick of going to the one at the end of my street, so I took them to a "new park". As we pulled up, I noticed a little league game going on. After they ran around for a while, we headed back home to eat dinner. On the way out, I wanted them to stop by and check out some real baseball being played. The kids ran up to the fence to see what was going on. After two seconds, my son says out loud, "It looks boring." and starts walking away. It drew a few chuckles from the people in the stands. I chuckled a little myself, even though I felt something inside of me dying.  Well, that's enough for tonight. Time to eat something that's not good for me and hit the hay. I might look at a co uple wantlists before bed too. Thanks for reading, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:31:10 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants From: ChicoD1@aol.com OK, I'm adding these 71- 413, 74-28,79, 75-390, 77-485, 79-595... list is updated > 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 > 1975 140 375 376 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 170 485 > 1978 : 10 175 335 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 310 335 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 19:07:38 -0700 To: Ed Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Stanley Cup playoffs From: Stamper Ed and all- I have really enjoyed watching the Hockey Playoffs. I try to watch every game. I'm hooked this year. Good luck to your Sharks. John Stamper On May 24, 2016, at 1:45 PM, "Ed ehpiii@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Wow, Sharks are now further on the road to the finals than ever before!! If you had asked me whether this was likely during their big mid-season slump I would have said not! St Louis clearly has a very good team to make it this far so hopefully the Sharks can close out the series tomorrow and I can start figuring out where I can find a tv to watch some Stanley Cup games while on vacation at "family camp" > I went to game three and they had a pretty cool show with wristbands thathad different color led lights that would light up in unison - the high tech version of lighters at concerts back in the old days > Ed pike > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:19:54 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants UPDATED From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I have a feeling we can knock the crap outta this list! > 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 138 230 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 219 250 269 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 > 1975 140 375 376 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 170 485 > 1978 : 10 175 335 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 310 335 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/24/2016 10:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, shawnsmart@hotmail.com writes: I saw that Mike also added 1977 #505 so I took that out but found three more - also cross off 1971 # 190 and 272 and 1970 #410. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2016, at 9:31 PM, _ChicoD1@aol.com_ (mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: OK, I'm adding these 71- 413, 74-28,79, 75-390, 77-485, 79-595... list is updated > 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 > 1975 140 375 376 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 170 485 > 1978 : 10 175 335 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 310 335 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:13:22 -0400 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants From: Shawn Smart ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:47:52 -0400 Subject: Moving From: Don Rice Hey Guys... Just a brief "lettin' ya know" that I'm in the process of moving. After a 26 year "purgatory" in New York ;-), land of the Yankees, Giants and Jets, I am finally moving back to my homeland, New England. More specifically, after a year of wallet-sucking renovations on my significant other's childhood home, the "Never-ending Move" will finally bring me back to the Berkshires in western Massachusetts. So happy to be back in the land of the Red Sox, Patriots, Celtics, Bruins and NESN! I've already updated my address and email on our server, but I won't be actually moving until June 3rd. Meanwhile, I am practicing regaining my Boston accent, long ago bastardized by all these New Yorkers! :-) Don Rice ================= To: Geordie Calvert , Mac Wubben Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:55:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: Yaz It does seem to be true that some of the earlier post '80 cards are truly 'vintage' now. However, it is pretty clear that the line that the earlier OBC gents made in the sand at 1980 was not strictly because of the amount of plastic sprayed on the cards but the huge amount of card companies that sprang up and then proceeded to douse the cards with shine. This seems like as good a place as any to make a line. So that being said, this club concentrates on those cards only. Ramblings about Mattel Hot Wheels, Superman comics and post '80 cards of all shapes should not, as the rules imply, be discussed on the Rambling Thanks server is more a sticky wicket. When we thank someone for sending cards, or some of the other stuff that we all throw in from time to time, books, posters, DVD's, balls and memorabilia of all types, most people on the Thanks server want to here about it. That's why they are on the Thanks server. Post 80's cards sent with vintage are just a bonus. A quick, "Also sent some nice later stuff that had a Schmidt and a Brett included." or " also sent 200 hits to some later sets." The Thanks server is for thanks, to show appreciation and let everyone else know what this great guy sent me. Greg (yaz) On 5/24/2016 10:27 AM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Mac, I completely understand your line of thinking. I get that some > people can get behind the idea that something that is 30 to 40 years > old can or should be considered vintage. > What that immediately reminded me of is classic rock. To me, classic > rock is music that is from the 60s and 70s. However, for some time our > local classic rock station has been playing Guns & Roses, Metallica > and AC/DC along with the Stones, Beatles and CS&N. AC/DC might > marginally be interpreted as classic rock, as they started in the 70s. > The other two? Not so much. Just because a song is 30 years old > doesn't make it the same "classic" as has always been applied to those > older artists. At least that's the way I see it. > OBC has consistently chosen to have a line of demarcation between > vintage and "UV", which is 1980. IMO, that line is necessary and > shouldn't be moved. That line has defined us for what, 25 years now? > Great conversation, and I think every few years or so it becomes > freshly relevant. New members come in who don't have the history or > perspective in the group, or maybe older members soften their stance > on UV. > Maybe instead of UV we can start calling post-1980 cards "modern"? > Geordie > On May 24, 2016, at 7:03 AM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: >> Joe Adriance and I discussed this a bit too. I think UV has to >> eventually be included...it's just a question of when. A rolling 35 >> year old (or 40?) rule would seem to allow for some updating of >> what's allowable. Kind of like the definition of a classic >> car...once it's a certain age, then it's classic. >> That said, thanks to Tom for handling the not very fun job of >> enforcing the rules. I think the rules are clear enough and easy to >> follow. >> Mac >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> > > on behalf of 'George Vrechek' >> vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> > > >> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2016 9:04 AM >> *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> >> *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. >> Recent discussions encouraged peaceful feedback on the matter. Here >> are some thoughts. >> Another way of saving ink on thanks for post 1980 stuff has been >> thanking people for “unmentionables” which gets the job done and >> gently defers to our rules. I don’t collect any post 1980 cards >> anymore and pretty much ignore them. When I go to a show, I make a 3 >> second scan of a table and will keep walking if I don’t see any (pre >> 1981) vintage. >> Nonetheless, it somewhat surprises me that our group has stayed with >> the pre-1981 only focus. I thought I might be in a small minority by >> now of people who were only interested in really old stuff. (My >> wantlist gets more obscure each year.) When the group started, the >> 1981 cards were 15 years old (the same as 2001 cards today). Some of >> our younger members view 1981 as their childhood memories. My >> daughters are around 40 and their “vintage” memories would be Star >> Wars cards and maybe a 1980 Topps Larry Christiansen card who they >> thought looked “cute.” When I was a kid, we always wanted cards from >> the latest year to show the most recent stats and the current team >> uniform for the player. Who wanted those small little Bowman cards >> with no stats? I think it is great that many of our members collect >> cards of people who are actually still playing the game today. What a >> concept! >> For now, the approach has been to have separate email groups and >> separate wantlists for post-1980 stuff. That seems like a reasonable >> approach for now in accommodating everyone. >> George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 09:48:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1970s want list updated From: Robert Fitts thanks to all of you who have promised to hit my list! here=92s an updated version. If you can help, I=92d love to be able to knock off the post 1974 cards and the non-high commons from 1969-73 I=92m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated rob fitts 4418 waldo ave bronx ny 10471 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 1975 140 375 376 570 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 1977 : 170 1978 : 10 175 335 485 500 620 630 668 1979 : 310 335 637 648 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 09:52:12 -0400 To: Robert Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s want list updated From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 09:38:45 -0700 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ramble by request From: Geordie Calvert I can't actually attach it, but the old IRC crowd will surely remember and be freshly tormented by memories of Barry Clesh's eeeeeeeeeeee.wav You're welcome! ;) I addressed an envelope to Steve Sankner today. Steve lives in Old Bridge, NJ which immediately reminded me of the old IRC chats. They were a lot of fun until the 'OBC' room got taken over by the Old Bridge Crew. Steve, were you in that OBC before you joined our OBC? :-)_ ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 13:15:15 -0500 To: Subject: re: Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: David Skoglund Personally, I kind of like it when someone uses the phrase "unmentionable cards" in a note. Just for fun, I assume that they're talking about a card set they don't want the wife knowing they collect. Which reminds me. Where did I hide that Bettie Page rookie card? ;) ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 14:23:49 -0400 To: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 Attachment] From: Robert Fitts I though about that but I like the 1B, 2b, 3b etc order. so they are in position just not by the position number. I could also do batting order but I like paging through and seeing the same guy in the same slot- such as Mays in CF On May 25, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Stamper wrote: > Rob > I think they should be put in the binder by position. Pitcher in the first slot, catcher in the second and so on. > > John Stamper > 503 Aspen View Ct. > Oak Park, Ca. 91377 > On May 25, 2016, at 10:48 AM, "Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> A few of you have asked =93what is this Starting Nine Collection=94? So, here=92s the answer. >> when i started recollecting about 1990, I didn=92t have enough money to collect whole sets but I wanted to have the fun of trying to complete a want list rather than just buying cards that pleased me- willy-nilly (when wasthe last time you saw that phrase used?). I started by collecting Phillies cards but soon ran into the high numbers from 1961-72 that in the early 1990s were costing a fortune. So I had to rethink. I was a pretty big Phillies fan and knew about every regular day player since WW2 but admittedly knew little about the bench players. Why spend a lot of money on cards of players I barely knew? So, I decided that I would just collect the regulars on the Phillies for each year=97one player at each position plus their top pitcher. In other words, their Starting Nine. After a year, I had most of the Phillies except for a few really tough high numbers so I decided to branch out and collect the Starting Nine for every team. I start in 1957 so that the Nine can fit in a single sheet. Over the years, I added the sets to my want list and now that I=92ve completed (minus about ten cards) my Tops run from 1953 to present and Bowman from 1950-55), I=92ve returned to my Starting Nine Collection. As an aside, from 1957-2001 my Starting Nine consist of cards produced the ear following the team=97so the 1975 Philliesare represented by 1976 cards because the cards were usually issued beforethe start of the new season. After 2001, cards were issued later in the season and I switched to using cards from the same season that my Starting Nine >> I don=92t know if the site will allow a picture but here an example of the Starting Nine Mets binder- teams from 1967 (reflected on 1968 cards) and1968 (reflected on 1969 cards) >> I don=92t know why the image in upside down here >> Rob >> >> On May 25, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Mike Glasser wrote: >>> Hi Rob: >>> They went out today. >>> Please explain what this collection is. I'm not following (sorry to beso dense but I'm curious). >>> Mike >>> Mike Glasser >>> Owner >>> The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD >>> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>> To: OBC-Ramblings >>> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 9:48 am >>> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s want list updated >>> thanks to all of you who have promised to hit my list! >>> here=92s an updated version. If you can help, I=92d love to be able to knock off the post 1974 cards and the non-high commons from 1969-73 >>> rob >>> I=92m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated >>> rob fitts >>> 4418 waldo ave >>> bronx ny 10471 >>> 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 >>> 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 >>> 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 >>> 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 >>> 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 >>> 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 >>> 1975 140 375 376 570 >>> 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 >>> 1977 : 170 >>> 1978 : 10 175 335 485 500 620 630 668 >>> 1979 : 310 335 637 648 >>> 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 >>> ------------------------------------ >>> ------------------------------------ >>> The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. >>> Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. >>> OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html >>> ------------------------------------ >>> Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 14:29:39 -0400 To: robertfitts@verizon.net, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 From: Mike Glasser How did you handle the DH rule in the AL. Technically it should be the starting 10 no? I know, what a downer. Now onto more important things. As the son of an English professor, I justhad to look it up and you'll be happy to know that 'willy-nilly' is indeedin the dictionary. Who would have thunk that? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fitts To: John Stamper Cc: Mike Glasser ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 Attachment] I though about that but I like the 1B, 2b, 3b etc order. so they are in position just not by the position number. I could also do batting order but I like paging through and seeing the same guy in the same slot- such as Mays in CF On May 25, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Stamper wrote: I think they should be put in the binder by position. Pitcher in the first slot, catcher in the second and so on. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 25, 2016, at 10:48 AM, "Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: A few of you have asked =E2=9Cwhat is this Starting Nine Collection=E2=9D? So, here=E2=99s the answer. when i started recollecting about 1990, I didn=E2=99t have enough money to collect whole sets but I wanted to have the fun of trying to complete a want list rather than just buying cards that pleased me- willy-nilly (when was the last time you saw that phrase used?). I started by collecting Phillies cards but soon ran into the high numbers from 1961-72 that in the early 1990s were costing a fortune. So I had to rethink. I was a pretty big Phillies fan and knew about every regular day player since WW2 but admittedly knew little about the bench players. Why spend a lot of money on cards of players I barely knew? So, I decided that I would just collect the regulars on the Phillies for each year=E2=94one player at each position plustheir top pitcher. In other words, their Starting Nine. After a year, I had most of the Phillies except for a few really tough high numbers so I decided to branch out and collect the Starting Nine for every team. I start in 1957 so that the Nine can fit in a single sheet. Over the years, I added the sets to my want list and now that I=E2=99ve completed (minus aboutten cards) my Tops run from 1953 to present and Bowman from 1950-55), I=E2=99ve returned to my Starting Nine Collection. As an aside, from 1957-2001 my Starting Nine consist of cards produced the ear following the team=E2=94so the 1975 Phillies are represented by 1976 cards because the cards were usually issued before the start of the new season. After 2001, cards were issued later in the season and I switched to using cards from the same season that my Starting Nine represents. I don=E2=99t know if the site will allow a picture but here an example of the Starting Nine Mets binder- teams from 1967 (reflected on 1968 cards) and 1968 (reflected on 1969 cards) I don=E2=99t know why the image in upside down here On May 25, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Mike Glasser wrote: Hi Rob: They went out today. Please explain what this collection is. I'm not following (sorry to be so dense but I'm curious). Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 9:48 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s want list updated thanks to all of you who have promised to hit my list! here=E2=99s an updated version. If you can help, I=E2=99d love to beable to knock off the post 1974 cards and the non-high commons from 1969-73 I=E2=99m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated rob fitts 4418 waldo ave bronx ny 10471 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 1975 140 375 376 570 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 1977 : 170 1978 : 10 175 335 485 500 620 630 668 1979 : 310 335 637 648 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouragedon Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGSserver, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: 25 May 2016 12:07:23 -0700 To: Subject: Empire Strikes Back Waivers From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 12:19:37 -0700 To: Robert Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 Attachment] From: Stamper If you drop the pitcher for DH you should do the starting 8 from 52-56 and drop the pitcher. 8 card sheets!! John Stamper On May 25, 2016, at 11:36 AM, Robert Fitts wrote: > For DH teams the pitcher is (sadly) dropped. i thought about dropping thedh but too many great and productive players are used in that slot to omitit. > I also run into problems when a player has no cards for a particular year. then I have to use a substitute player, a card from another year, or a Card That Never Was from the internet or Topps Archives > rob > ps I also use Topps archives for the Mantles and other really expensive cards > On May 25, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Mike Glasser wrote: >> How did you handle the DH rule in the AL. Technically it should be the starting 10 no? I know, what a downer. >> Now onto more important things. As the son of an English professor, I just had to look it up and you'll be happy to know that 'willy-nilly' is indeed in the dictionary. Who would have thunk that? >> Mike >> Mike Glasser >> Owner >> The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD >> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Fitts >> To: John Stamper >> Cc: Mike Glasser ; OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 2:23 pm >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 Attachment] >> I though about that but I like the 1B, 2b, 3b etc order. so they are inposition just not by the position number. I could also do batting order but I like paging through and seeing the same guy in the same slot- such as Mays in CF >> On May 25, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Stamper wrote: >> Rob >> I think they should be put in the binder by position. Pitcher in the first slot, catcher in the second and so on. >> >> John Stamper >> 503 Aspen View Ct. >> Oak Park, Ca. 91377 >> On May 25, 2016, at 10:48 AM, "Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> A few of you have asked =E2=9Cwhat is this Starting Nine Collection=E2=9D? So, here=E2=99s the answer. >> when i started recollecting about 1990, I didn=E2=99t have enough money to collect whole sets but I wanted to have the fun of trying to completea want list rather than just buying cards that pleased me- willy-nilly (when was the last time you saw that phrase used?). I started by collecting Phillies cards but soon ran into the high numbers from 1961-72 that in the early 1990s were costing a fortune. So I had to rethink. I was a pretty big Phillies fan and knew about every regular day player since WW2 but admittedly knew little about the bench players. Why spend a lot of money on cards of players I barely knew? So, I decided that I would just collect the regulars on the Phillies for each year=E2=94one player at each position plus their top pitcher. In other words, their Starting Nine. After a year,I had most of the Phillies except for a few really tough high numbers so Idecided to branch out and collect the Starting Nine for every team. I start in 1957 so that the Nine can fit in a single sheet. Over the years, I added the sets to my want list and now that I=E2=99ve completed (minus about ten cards) my Tops run from 1953 to present and Bowman from 1950-55), I=E2=99ve returned to my Starting Nine Collection. As an aside, from 1957-2001 my Starting Nine consist of cards produced the ear following the team=E2=94so the 1975 Phillies are represented by 1976 cards because the cards were usually issued before the start of the new season. After 2001, cards were issued later in the season and I switched to using cards from the same season that my Starting Nine represents. >> I don=E2=99t know if the site will allow a picture but here an example of the Starting Nine Mets binder- teams from 1967 (reflected on 1968 cards) and 1968 (reflected on 1969 cards) >> I don=E2=99t know why the image in upside down here >> Rob >> >> On May 25, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Mike Glasser wrote: >> Hi Rob: >> They went out today. >> Please explain what this collection is. I'm not following (sorry to be so dense but I'm curious). >> Mike >> Mike Glasser >> Owner >> The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD >> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC-Ramblings >> Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 9:48 am >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s want list updated >> thanks to all of you who have promised to hit my list! >> here=E2=99s an updated version. If you can help, I=E2=99d love to be able to knock off the post 1974 cards and the non-high commons from 1969-73 >> rob >> I=E2=99m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated >> rob fitts >> 4418 waldo ave >> bronx ny 10471 >> 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 >> 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 >> 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 >> 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 >> 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 >> 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 >> 1975 140 375 376 570 >> 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 >> 1977 : 170 >> 1978 : 10 175 335 485 500 620 630 668 >> 1979 : 310 335 637 648 >> 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 >> ------------------------------------ >> ------------------------------------ >> The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. >> Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. >> OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html >> ------------------------------------ >> Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 15:38:14 -0400 To: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ramble by request From: Steve Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Hi Geordie, I don' t know anything about an IRC crowd. I only discovered OBC on the internet back in February and then joined the club in March of 2016. All I can say is that OBC and working in the Press Box at the Somerset Patriots baseball games are the two best things to happen to me since I retired. ( As well as having four wonderful grandchildren to play with. ) Take care. Steve Sankner Sent from my iPad > On May 25, 2016, at 12:38 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I can't actually attach it, but the old IRC crowd will surely remember and be freshly tormented by memories of Barry Clesh's eeeeeeeeeeee.wav > You're welcome! ;) > I addressed an envelope to Steve Sankner today. Steve lives in Old Bridge, NJ which immediately reminded me of the old IRC chats. They were a lot offun until the 'OBC' room got taken over by the Old Bridge Crew. Steve, were you in that OBC before you joined our OBC? :-)_ ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 18:47:33 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s wants UPDATED From: Ron H I will be sending these: 1971: 334 385 478 1973: 456 1974: 325 1980: 18 165 187 389 625 On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 10:19 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have a feeling we can knock the crap outta this list! > > 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > > > > 1970 : 138 230 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > > > > 1971 : 14 219 250 269 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623 660 > 665 700 706 720 740 > > > > 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > > > > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 > > > > 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 > > > > 1975 140 375 376 570 > > > > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > > > > 1977 : 170 485 > > > > 1978 : 10 175 335 500 620 630 668 > > > > 1979 : 310 335 637 648 > > > > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 5/24/2016 10:13:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > shawnsmart@hotmail.com writes: > I saw that Mike also added 1977 #505 so I took that out but found three > more - also cross off 1971 # 190 and 272 and 1970 #410. > Sent from my iPhone > On May 24, 2016, at 9:31 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > OK, I'm adding these 71- 413, 74-28,79, 75-390, 77-485, 79-595... > list is updated > > 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > > > > 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > > > > 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 > 623 660 665 700 706 720 740 > > > > 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > > > > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 > > > > 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 > > > > 1975 140 375 376 570 > > > > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > > > > 1977 : 170 485 > > > > 1978 : 10 175 335 500 620 630 668 > > > > 1979 : 310 335 637 648 > > > > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 00:30:18 +0000 (UTC) To: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Empire Strikes Back Waivers From: tvalacak@comcast.net I have had a good response to the Empire posting. I will try and hit everyone's list. There have also been requests from those who have not yet started the set, but are interested in leftovers. I will make sure to give each of you what I can. Thanks for the response. ----- Original Message ----- From: "tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 25, 2016 2:07:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Empire Strikes Back Waivers Hey gang, I finally went through the Empire Strikes Back cards i picked up last week.I have a nice stack, maybe 100+, available to dish out. I know Aaron had anice template put together with everyone's wantlists. I can't find it. So, if you are working on the Empire Strikes Back set, send me your wants - ================= Date: 25 May 2016 18:44:25 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Okay. Let's talk 1980. From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 14:36:28 -0400 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 Attachment] From: Robert Fitts For DH teams the pitcher is (sadly) dropped. i thought about dropping the dh but too many great and productive players are used in that slot to omit it. I also run into problems when a player has no cards for a particular year. then I have to use a substitute player, a card from another year, or a Card That Never Was from the internet or Topps Archives ps I also use Topps archives for the Mantles and other really expensive cards On May 25, 2016, at 2:29 PM, Mike Glasser wrote: > How did you handle the DH rule in the AL. Technically it should be the starting 10 no? I know, what a downer. > Now onto more important things. As the son of an English professor, I just had to look it up and you'll be happy to know that 'willy-nilly' is indeed in the dictionary. Who would have thunk that? > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fitts > To: John Stamper > Cc: Mike Glasser ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 2:23 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? [1 Attachment] > I though about that but I like the 1B, 2b, 3b etc order. so they are in position just not by the position number. I could also do batting order but I like paging through and seeing the same guy in the same slot- such as Mays in CF > On May 25, 2016, at 2:12 PM, Stamper wrote: > Rob > I think they should be put in the binder by position. Pitcher in the first slot, catcher in the second and so on. > > John Stamper > 503 Aspen View Ct. > Oak Park, Ca. 91377 > On May 25, 2016, at 10:48 AM, "Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > A few of you have asked =93what is this Starting Nine Collection=94? So,here=92s the answer. > when i started recollecting about 1990, I didn=92t have enough money to collect whole sets but I wanted to have the fun of trying to complete a wantlist rather than just buying cards that pleased me- willy-nilly (when was the last time you saw that phrase used?). I started by collecting Philliescards but soon ran into the high numbers from 1961-72 that in the early 1990s were costing a fortune. So I had to rethink. I was a pretty big Phillies fan and knew about every regular day player since WW2 but admittedly knew little about the bench players. Why spend a lot of money on cards of players I barely knew? So, I decided that I would just collect the regularson the Phillies for each year=97one player at each position plus their toppitcher. In other words, their Starting Nine. After a year, I had most of the Phillies except for a few really tough high numbers so I decided to branch out and collect the Starting Nine for every team. I start in 1957 sothat the Nine can fit in a single sheet. Over the years, I added the setsto my want list and now that I=92ve completed (minus about ten cards) my Tops run from 1953 to present and Bowman from 1950-55), I=92ve returned to my Starting Nine Collection. As an aside, from 1957-2001 my Starting Nine consist of cards produced the ear following the team=97so the 1975 Phillies are represented by 1976 cards because the cards were usually issued before the start of the new season. After 2001, cards were issued later in the season and I switched to using cards from the same season that my Starting Nine > I don=92t know if the site will allow a picture but here an example of the Starting Nine Mets binder- teams from 1967 (reflected on 1968 cards) and 1968 (reflected on 1969 cards) > I don=92t know why the image in upside down here > Rob > > On May 25, 2016, at 1:12 PM, Mike Glasser wrote: > Hi Rob: > They went out today. > Please explain what this collection is. I'm not following (sorry to be so dense but I'm curious). > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, May 25, 2016 9:48 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970s want list updated > thanks to all of you who have promised to hit my list! > here=92s an updated version. If you can help, I=92d love to be able to knock off the post 1974 cards and the non-high commons from 1969-73 > rob > I=92m missing a bunch of commons and minor stars from the late 1960s and 70s from my Starting Nine collection. Any help would be greatly appreciated > rob fitts > 4418 waldo ave > bronx ny 10471 > 1969 : 85 95 150 178 180 200 305 390 443 540 630 640 664 > 1970 : 138 230 410 528 567 580 640 675 682 698 700 > 1971 : 14 190 219 250 269 272 320 334 385 400 466 470 478 492 580 595 623660 665 700 706 720 740 > 1972 : 250 395 429 447 455 481 547 550 559 575 630 660 680 711 715 > 1973 : 38 130 230 235 275 295 335 337 380 455 456 547 554 625 > 1974 : 80 103 130 155 245 264 291 312 325 392 510 > 1975 140 375 376 570 > 1976 : 48 128 222 (have poor) 230 240 300 325 340 365 380 420 445 > 1977 : 170 > 1978 : 10 175 335 485 500 620 630 668 > 1979 : 310 335 637 648 > 1980 : 18 165 176 187 389 625 > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 22:36:00 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] what is my starting nine collection? From: Ken M ================= To: Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 10:00:08 -0400 Subject: vintage prices going up???? From: "Mark Holland" Are the prices of 50s & 60s common and semi star cards going up pretty quickly? I noticed on all of my searches that the prices for the cards that I need keep going up. Deals are getting harder to find. Between that and $3+ shipping it is difficult to pick up the commons that I need. Just wondering if anyone else noticed prices going up.. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 11:59:09 -0400 To: mholland28412@ec.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? From: Mike Glasser It definitely seems to be on the rise - especially for the better conditioncards. It's nearly impossible now to find deals on high numbers - '66 and'72FB for example. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD The Goddard School in Sparks, MD -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, May 26, 2016 11:44 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? Are the prices of 50s & 60s common and semi star cards going up pretty quickly? I noticed on all of my searches that the prices for the cards that I need keep going up. Deals are getting harder to find. Between that and $3+ shipping it is difficult to pick up the commons that I need. Just wondering if anyone else noticed prices going up=E2=A6. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 15:35:02 -0400 Subject: COMC free shipping coupons From: richard dingman I used to accumulate discount shipping cards from COMC that would get you free shipping on any order. Sometimes they would expire before I could usethem.Now I find myself out of coupons and wonder if anyone has any that they will not be able to use before they expire, and who would be willing to share them. I could use one.I believe that they have a code and anyone whoknows that code can use a coupon for free shipping on any order.Maybe we as a group could begin to make these available when we can't use them beforethey expire.Richard D ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Mark Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 19:14:36 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? From: Taylor Schock High grade big names and key cards are going up hard and fast. Not sure whether the mid to lower grade stuff will follow along or there will just be abigger gap. My gut feeling is the latter. It will go up slightly, but not in the same proportion as the high grade. The condition/scarcity gap will continue to widen. I think high grade, low pop commons might have a near term rise as well, but either drop off or just hold steady until other stuff catches up. The rise is driven by a player collection market and not a set builder market. Those who can afford high grade SETS don't have the interestin set building, and those that have an interest in set building, have no desire for or can't afford a high grade SET. Similar thing started with comics a few years back (and is still going on, from what I can tell). From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2016 10:00 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? Are the prices of 50s & 60s common and semi star cards going up pretty quickly? I noticed on all of my searches that the prices for the cards that I need keep going up. Deals are getting harder to find. Between that and $3+ shipping it is difficult to pick up the commons that I need. Just wondering if anyone else noticed prices going up.... Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 11:56:02 -0400 To: mholland28412@ec.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Personally, I thought the prices of 1950s - 1970s commons were going down. It is the superstars and oddballs that are going up. Fewer guys entering the hobby, and some older ones dying off or reducing their collections causing more of the commons to hit the market. The relative scarcity of the oddballs gets more pronounced as others who have completed the mainstream issues move over. In OBC this has been OPC, Kellogg's, Post and Hostess amongothers. I sometimes feel the only things going up are the ones I still want. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, May 26, 2016 11:44 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? Are the prices of 50s & 60s common and semi star cards going up pretty quickly? I noticed on all of my searches that the prices for the cards that I need keep going up. Deals are getting harder to find. Between that and $3+ shipping it is difficult to pick up the commons that I need. Just wondering if anyone else noticed prices going up=E2=A6. Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 16:46:24 -0500 To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? From: Jay Tysver I can say that the cost of common lots has risen. It's getting very hard tofind a bargain whereas they used to hit every other day. Jay Tysver > On May 26, 2016, at 10:56 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Personally, I thought the prices of 1950s - 1970s commons were going down. It is the superstars and oddballs that are going up. Fewer guys entering the hobby, and some older ones dying off or reducing their collections causing more of the commons to hit the market. The relative scarcity of the oddballs gets more pronounced as others who have completed the mainstream issues move over. In OBC this has been OPC, Kellogg's, Post and Hostess among others. I sometimes feel the only things going up are the ones I still want. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Thu, May 26, 2016 11:44 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? > Are the prices of 50s & 60s common and semi star cards going up pretty quickly? I noticed on all of my searches that the prices for the cards that I need keep going up. Deals are getting harder to find. Between that and$3+ shipping it is difficult to pick up the commons that I need. > Just wondering if anyone else noticed prices going up=E2=A6. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List ================= Date: 26 May 2016 15:39:44 -0700 To: Subject: 1959 set killed! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 09:29:04 -0700 To: Mark Holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage prices going up???? From: Rick For commons I would say no but I think what you are seeing is the shifted in eBay sellers going to higher prices with buy it now compared to auctions and not getting what they want. Only completed searches will tell you if they are getting it. Sent from my iPad > On May 26, 2016, at 7:00 AM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Are the prices of 50s & 60s common and semi star cards going up pretty quickly? I noticed on all of my searches that the prices for the cards that I need keep going up. Deals are getting harder to find. Between that and$3+ shipping it is difficult to pick up the commons that I need. > Just wondering if anyone else noticed prices going up=E2=A6. > Mark > Mark Holland > Vintage List ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 26 May 2016 20:26:41 -0500 Subject: John Storman From: Yaz Am I missing something? Is John Storman still with us. I still receive cards from him but on my recent trip though want lists, his name did not appear in the directory. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: 27 May 2016 03:10:31 -0700 To: Subject: Re: John Storman From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 06:58:44 -0500 Subject: Re: John Storman From: "George Vrechek" Mann, Parker and Storman are listed under "what's new" as not responding to the annual membership poll and were moved to inactive as of February 2016. They are on a separate list with just emails accessed from the directory page. Maybe he was away from email for an extended period? You (Yaz) might ask him if he wants to return/respond. ================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 08:09:47 -0400 To: brightair@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC free shipping coupons From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en Richard, I've never heard about these cards, but COMC periodically has free shipping promotions. In response to my Email last October, they told me when the next one would be, but it was too far in the future (Black Friday), so I paid the 3 bucks. Best regards, In a message dated 05/26/2016 3:35:27 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I used to accumulate discount shipping cards from COMC that would get you free shipping on any order. Sometimes they would expire before I could use Now I find myself out of coupons and wonder if anyone has any that they will not be able to use before they expire, and who would be willing to share them. I could use one. I believe that they have a code and anyone who knows that code can use a coupon for free shipping on any order. Maybe we as a group could begin to make these available when we can't use them before they expire. Richard D (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylcX3oDMTJkcmgybWVmBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDY0M= ================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 18:05:48 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: ref check From: John Dahms hey guys, I had a guy Jim Gagnepain email me about a trade. said he was trying to do trades instead of ebay. wondered if any of you had been approached or had done a trade with him. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 19:57:00 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Bill Murray? From: Sean McGowan Check out your '52 bowman set. #118 Ray Murray is sandwiched between two "Bill"s :) ================= Date: Fri, 27 May 2016 20:01:40 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: "Grahm" numbers From: Sean McGowan sorry if you don't get this digest style... Can you tell I'm "bindering" So, I was talking with my computer geeks today about the "Ackermann" function and "Grahm" numbers... look them up... fun stuff. So, I come to some '50 Bowmans that need bindering, and who do I have to put away? #145 Jack Grahm! I wonder if he is the same Grahm? :) ================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 19:17:53 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: LA area OBCers From: Andy My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and alsocoincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 28 May 2016 19:55:10 -0700 To: Andy Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: Stamper I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and also coincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 28 May 2016 21:30:43 -0700 To: Subject: OBC Meet Up From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 01:02:38 -0400 To: patrick_prickett@yahoo.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com, typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: Joshua Levine I will tell you that Patrick and John are right...L.A. is pretty much a no-go for shows...that being said, you might be able to find some vintage at aweekly collectible show that is actually about a 10 minute drive from Pomona College...It is called Frank and Son's and I have found some bargains there every now and then when I am in the area. That being said, a meet and greet would be great but like Patrick, my 9 month old is taking up a great deal of my time (and is also a great thing!). -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Stamper ; Andy Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, May 28, 2016 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers Sadly John is correct. We had one show set up by a few friends of mine from Net54, but they have given up on it until at least October, and it is in real doubt whether they ever do another one. Although I am pushing becausewe had a good thing going (and it was directly responsible for me joining Net54 - thank you John!). As for being out here, let me know. But I will be difficult to track down as I have a 4 year old son who loves the park, so he pretty much takes up all of my free time. (And that's a good thing!) On Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:55 PM, "Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and alsocoincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 06:50:45 -0400 To: Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: Andy That'd be great. It's been over 20 years since I've been to Dodger stadium.Unfortunate about the lack of shows. Sent from my iPad > On May 28, 2016, at 10:55 PM, Stamper wrote: > Andy > I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. > John Stamper > 503 Aspen View Ct. > Oak Park, Ca. 91377 >> On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and also coincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? >> Andy >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 06:53:40 -0400 To: Patrick Prickett Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: Andy Enjoy them at that age, they grow up so fast! It seems like yesterday when my boys were that age, and now they're finishing 9th and 12th grades. Sent from my iPad > On May 28, 2016, at 11:52 PM, Patrick Prickett > Sadly John is correct. We had one show set up by a few friends of mine from Net54, but they have given up on it until at least October, and it is in real doubt whether they ever do another one. Although I am pushing because we had a good thing going (and it was directly responsible for me joining Net54 - thank you John!). As for being out here, let me know. But I will be difficult to track down as I have a 4 year old son who loves the park,so he pretty much takes up all of my free time. (And that's a good thing!) > Cheers, > Patrick > On Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:55 PM, "Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Andy > I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. > John Stamper > 503 Aspen View Ct. > Oak Park, Ca. 91377 >> On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and also coincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? >> Andy >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 06:56:46 -0400 To: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: Andy I'll try to check out that show. Enjoy the time with your son. Sent from my iPad > On May 29, 2016, at 1:02 AM, Joshua Levine wrote: > Andy, > I will tell you that Patrick and John are right...L.A. is pretty much a no-go for shows...that being said, you might be able to find some vintage ata weekly collectible show that is actually about a 10 minute drive from Pomona College...It is called Frank and Son's and I have found some bargains there every now and then when I am in the area. That being said, a meet andgreet would be great but like Patrick, my 9 month old is taking up a greatdeal of my time (and is also a great thing!). > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: Stamper ; Andy > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, May 28, 2016 8:55 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers > Sadly John is correct. We had one show set up by a few friends of mine from Net54, but they have given up on it until at least October, and it is in real doubt whether they ever do another one. Although I am pushing because we had a good thing going (and it was directly responsible for me joining Net54 - thank you John!). As for being out here, let me know. But I will be difficult to track down as I have a 4 year old son who loves the park,so he pretty much takes up all of my free time. (And that's a good thing!) > Cheers, > Patrick > On Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:55 PM, "Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Andy > I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. > John Stamper > 503 Aspen View Ct. > Oak Park, Ca. 91377 > On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and also coincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 07:54:07 -0400 To: Wite3@aol.com, patrick_prickett@yahoo.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I think the current Bucket List schedule has me going to the Dodgers on Saturday July 9 4:15 game time and the Angels Saturday, July 16 6:05 game time. I am not sure how much time I would have on the 9th, as I will be driving down from Fresno that morning. How long does it normally take to get through the Frank & Sons show if I am only interested in sports items? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: patrick_prickett ; holidayandhobbies ; typecard Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 1:02 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers I will tell you that Patrick and John are right...L.A. is pretty much a no-go for shows...that being said, you might be able to find some vintage at aweekly collectible show that is actually about a 10 minute drive from Pomona College...It is called Frank and Son's and I have found some bargains there every now and then when I am in the area. That being said, a meet and greet would be great but like Patrick, my 9 month old is taking up a great deal of my time (and is also a great thing!). -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Stamper ; Andy Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, May 28, 2016 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers Sadly John is correct. We had one show set up by a few friends of mine from Net54, but they have given up on it until at least October, and it is in real doubt whether they ever do another one. Although I am pushing becausewe had a good thing going (and it was directly responsible for me joining Net54 - thank you John!). As for being out here, let me know. But I will be difficult to track down as I have a 4 year old son who loves the park, so he pretty much takes up all of my free time. (And that's a good thing!) On Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:55 PM, "Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and alsocoincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 07:59:24 -0400 To: Wite3@aol.com, patrick_prickett@yahoo.com, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I would love to meet up with any OBCers at the games below. I understand the time constraints brought on by little ones, but hope you will be able tofind the time. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Wite3 ; patrick_prickett ; holidayandhobbies ; typecard Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 7:54 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers I think the current Bucket List schedule has me going to the Dodgers on Saturday July 9 4:15 game time and the Angels Saturday, July 16 6:05 game time. I am not sure how much time I would have on the 9th, as I will be driving down from Fresno that morning. How long does it normally take to get through the Frank & Sons show if I am only interested in sports items? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: patrick_prickett ; holidayandhobbies ; typecard Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, May 29, 2016 1:02 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers I will tell you that Patrick and John are right...L.A. is pretty much a no-go for shows...that being said, you might be able to find some vintage at aweekly collectible show that is actually about a 10 minute drive from Pomona College...It is called Frank and Son's and I have found some bargains there every now and then when I am in the area. That being said, a meet and greet would be great but like Patrick, my 9 month old is taking up a great deal of my time (and is also a great thing!). -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Stamper ; Andy Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, May 28, 2016 8:55 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LA area OBCers Sadly John is correct. We had one show set up by a few friends of mine from Net54, but they have given up on it until at least October, and it is in real doubt whether they ever do another one. Although I am pushing becausewe had a good thing going (and it was directly responsible for me joining Net54 - thank you John!). As for being out here, let me know. But I will be difficult to track down as I have a 4 year old son who loves the park, so he pretty much takes up all of my free time. (And that's a good thing!) On Saturday, May 28, 2016 7:55 PM, "Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I'd love to meet up. Maybe take in a game. As for card shows...We don't really have any out here in LA. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On May 28, 2016, at 4:17 PM, "Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" My son will attend Pomona College in Claremont this fall. Between visiting him, checking on my aging parents, and business, I should be out in LA every 3-4 months going forward. I'd love to get together with everyone and alsocoincide my trips with card shows. Roughly what's the schedule of good shows? Sent from my iPad ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 08:59:33 -0500 Subject: new set added From: "ken goetsch" 1974 Topps baseball checklists-[Red]....all with 2** on the back. any help appreciated. Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 1974 TOPPS TEAM CHECKLISTS Wants-[Red] All with 2** on back, Any Cond. Braves, Orioles,Angels,Cubs, White Sox,Indians,Tigers, Astros, Royals,Dodgers, Brewers,Yankees, A's, Phillies,Pirates,Padres,Giants. And getting close on the 1* set. 1974 TOPPS TEAM CHECKLISTS Wants- [Red] Listed 4-2-16 Any Condition. Orioles,Expos. [all with 1*]. ================= Date: Sun, 29 May 2016 14:46:41 -0700 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: '67-'69 waivers From: Gary Beard Continuing my annual summer waiver wire, here are my dupes from '67-69 (most of these are VG at best): 1967 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 4 Hal Lanier San Francisco Giants 7 Don McMahon Boston Red Sox 9 Ron Hansen Chicago White Sox 11 Barry Moore Washington Senators 12 Campanis/Singer Los Angeles Dodgers 13 Joe Sparma Detroit Tigers 19 Jim McGlothlin California Angels 22 Gene Brabender Baltimore Orioles 23 Larry Elliot New York Mets 25 Elston Howard New York Yankees 27 Bob Saverine Washington Senators 28 Barry Latman Houston Astros 29 Tommy McCraw Chicago White Sox 31 Jim Brewer Los Angeles Dodgers 32 Bob Bailey Los Angeles Dodgers 33 Bando/Schwartz Kansas City Athletics 37 Rick Wise Philadelphia Phillies 38 Bob Johnson Baltimore Orioles 39 Curt Simmons Chicago Cubs 40 Rick Reichardt California Angels 42 Mets Team New York Mets 43 Chico Salmon Cleveland Indians 44 Joe Nuxhall Cincinnati Reds 46 Lindy McDaniel San Francisco Giants 47 Ken McMullen Washington Senators 48 Bill Freehan Detroit Tigers 49 Roy Face Pittsburgh Pirates 51 Adlesh/Bales Houston Astros 52 Dennis Higgins Chicago White Sox 54 Dick Green Kansas City Athletics 58 Paul Schaal Green Ba California Angels 59 Ralph Terry New York Mets 62 Checklist 1-109 Fra None 65 Tom Haller San Francisco Giants 66 Manny Mota Pittsburgh Pirates 67 Ken Berry Chicago White Sox 71 Camilo Pascual Washington Senators 74 Wes Stock Kansas City Athletics 75 George Scott Boston Red Sox 76 Jim Barbieri Los Angeles Dodgers 77 Dooley Womack New York Yankees 78 Pat Corrales St. Louis Cardinals 79 Bubba Morton California Angels 81 Eddie Stanky Chicago White Sox 82 Steve Barber Baltimore Orioles 83 Ollie Brown San Francisco Giants 84 Tommie Sisk Pittsburgh Pirates 86 Mike McCormick NTR Washington Senators 87 George Altman Chicago Cubs 90 Jim Nash Kansas City Athletics 92 Ray Washburn St. Louis Cardinals 94 Ron Fairly Los Angeles Dodgers 95 Sonny Siebert Cleveland Indians 96 Art Shamsky Cincinnati Reds 97 Mike Cuellar Houston Astros 98 Rich Rollins Minnesota Twins 99 Lee Stange Boston Red Sox 101 Ken Johnson Atlanta Braves 123 Price/Walker Pittsburgh Pirates 129 Phil Roof Kansas City Athletics 163 Vic Roznovsky Baltimore Orioles 178 John Buzhardt Chicago White Sox 191 Mays Checklist 3 21 None 192 Fred Gladding Detroit Tigers 208 Jack Lamabe Chicago White Sox 231 John Bateman Houston Astros 249 Nick Willhite California Angels 281 Bob Rodgers California Angels 323 Mike Hershberger Kansas City Athletics 327 Angels Team California Angels 349 Bob Chance Washington Senators 439 Byron Brown Chicago Cubs 441 Jim Davenport San Francisco Giants 442 Robinson/Verbanic New York Yankees 453 Aurelio Monteagudo Cincinnati Reds 1968 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 20 Brooks Robinson Baltimore Orioles 42 Larry Haney Baltimore Orioles 58 Ed Mathews Detroit Tigers 181 Jerry Zimmerman Minnesota Twins 429 Tommie Sisk Pittsburgh Pirates 465 Tommie Agee New York Mets 571 Tony LaRussa Oakland Athletics 578 Orlando Martinez Atlanta Braves 579 Hisle/Lum Philadelphia Phillies 589 Clark/Ogier Minnesota Twins 597 Bill McCool Cincinnati Reds 1969 Topps Regular Number Name 642 John Hiller Please include your address to speed delivery, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: 29 May 2016 19:41:12 -0700 To: Subject: Thank you Mr. Glasser !!! From: rangersteve7@optonline.net ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 02:42:06 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. This is where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill in the Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Tu-Su Bob Bannon 203-509-9076 Geordie Calvert 209-564-1129 Jason Christopherson 715-533-0437 Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Joel Freedman 978-621-2180 Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Kent Goto 618-910-9354 John Leroux 630-391-0604 Ray Luurs 763-843-8793 Mike Mackie 414-418-9507 Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Ron Perry 989-513-9058 Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Steve Rittenberg 256-585-4329 Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Aaron Shirley 618-509-3600 Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Larry Tipton 904-318-9372 TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 George Vrechek 773-469-0326 Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Mark Zentkovich Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 08:39:23 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: Yahoo Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2016, at 02:42, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Ok Boys, > Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. This is where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works foryou newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you willget to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill in the Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit andthe hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big onthe roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! > Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There > Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Tu-Su > Bob Bannon 203-509-9076=09=09=09=09=09 > Geordie Calvert 209-564-1129=09=09=09=09=09 > Jason Christopherson 715-533-0437=09=09=09=09=09 > Richard Dingman 413-695-1303=09=09=09=09=09 > Joel Freedman 978-621-2180=09=09=09=09=09 > Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195=09=09=09=09=09 > Spike Glidden 508-472-9915=09=09=09=09=09 > Kent Goto 618-910-9354=09=09=09=09=09 > John Leroux 630-391-0604=09=09=09=09=09 > Ray Luurs 763-843-8793=09=09=09=09=09 > Mike Mackie 414-418-9507=09=09=09=09=09 > Gary Mandell 773-547-2112=09=09=09=09=09 > Kevin Martens 516-641-1496=09=09=09=09=09 > Ken Morganti 339-440-2862=09=09=09=09=09 > Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116,=09=09=09=09=09 > Ron Perry 989-513-9058=09=09=09=09=09 > Mike Rich 248-709-2235=09=09=09=09=09 > Steve Rittenberg 256-585-4329=09=09=09=09=09 > Taylor Schock 919-423-5190=09=09=09=09=09 > Wes Shepard 937-367-4724=09=09=09=09=09 > Aaron Shirley 618-509-3600=09=09=09=09=09 > Mark Talbot 586-306-6033=09=09=09=09=09 > Larry Tipton 904-318-9372=09=09=09=09=09 > TJ Valacak 847-927-9971=09=09=09=09=09 > George Vrechek 773-469-0326=09=09=09=09=09 > Mac Wubben 240-423-4605=09=09=09=09=09 > Mark Zentkovich 901-246-2722=09=09=09=09=09 > Jerry Barnes 937-673- Yes. Late Friday-Sunday > Sal Domino. 0694 > OBC - 1992 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 09:00:18 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: "Bob Donaldson" Put me down as possible, probably a last minute decision. I've been looking forward to this since last year and while initially thinking I'd definitely go; among other things I've always wanted to see the boardwalk. However, I found out about eight weeks ago that I am getting divorced, quite a surprise! As you might expect, thigs are a little chaotic now, so I really can't make any definite plans just yet. Hopefully . . . From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:42 AM To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. This is where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill in the Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Cell Phone Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 09:18:51 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Depending on how the Bucket List trip goes and if Guru decides to join me will affect my attendance at the National. At present, I am going to try and arrive Friday later in the day. I will be there Saturday and Sunday, andwill attend the swap session. Although driving in, I will not have my dupes with me for the swap. If folks can respond to Sal's poll this week, I will try and pull handshakes before I leave on my trip. Mike Rich cell: 248-709-2235 -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-National ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 2:42 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. Thisis where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill inthe Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Cell Phone Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 09:54:21 -0400 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: Yahoo Wes and I plan to drive up and be there late Friday night attend the show and swap session in Saturday, and drive back home early Sunday morning. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On May 30, 2016, at 09:18, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Depending on how the Bucket List trip goes and if Guru decides to join mewill affect my attendance at the National. At present, I am going to try and arrive Friday later in the day. I will be there Saturday and Sunday, and will attend the swap session. Although driving in, I will not have my dupes with me for the swap. If folks can respond to Sal's poll this week, Iwill try and pull handshakes before I leave on my trip. > Mike Rich > cell: 248-709-2235 > -----Original Message----- > From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-National ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 2:42 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 > Ok Boys, > Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. This is where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works foryou newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you willget to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill in the Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! > Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There > Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Tu-Su > Bob Bannon 203-509-9076=09=09=09=09=09 > Geordie Calvert 209-564-1129=09=09=09=09=09 > Jason Christopherson 715-533-0437=09=09=09=09=09 > Richard Dingman 413-695-1303=09=09=09=09=09 > Joel Freedman 978-621-2180=09=09=09=09=09 > Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195=09=09=09=09=09 > Spike Glidden 508-472-9915=09=09=09=09=09 > Kent Goto 618-910-9354=09=09=09=09=09 > John Leroux 630-391-0604=09=09=09=09=09 > Ray Luurs 763-843-8793=09=09=09=09=09 > Mike Mackie 414-418-9507=09=09=09=09=09 > Gary Mandell 773-547-2112=09=09=09=09=09 > Kevin Martens 516-641-1496=09=09=09=09=09 > Ken Morganti 339-440-2862=09=09=09=09=09 > Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116,=09=09=09=09=09 > Ron Perry 989-513-9058=09=09=09=09=09 > Mike Rich 248-709-2235=09=09=09=09=09 > Steve Rittenberg 256-585-4329=09=09=09=09=09 > Taylor Schock 919-423-5190=09=09=09=09=09 > Wes Shepard 937-367-4724=09=09=09=09=09 > Aaron Shirley 618-509-3600=09=09=09=09=09 > Mark Talbot 586-306-6033=09=09=09=09=09 > Larry Tipton 904-318-9372=09=09=09=09=09 > TJ Valacak 847-927-9971=09=09=09=09=09 > George Vrechek 773-469-0326=09=09=09=09=09 > Mac Wubben 240-423-4605=09=09=09=09=09 > Mark Zentkovich 901-246-2722=09=09=09=09=09 > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-NATIONAL@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 14:31:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: Taylor Schock Attending - Yes! Hotel - Fantasea Resorts La Sammana (Brigantine) Tues Game - No Fri Net 54 - I don't believe there will be a dinner this year. Swap Session - Yes Days There - Sun-Sun (all week) Taylor Schock From: OBC-NATIONAL@yahoogroups.com on behalfof ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-NATIONAL] Sent: Monday, May 30, 2016 2:42 AM To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. Thisis where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill inthe Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Tu-Su Bob Bannon 203-509-9076 Geordie Calvert 209-564-1129 Jason Christopherson 715-533-0437 Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Joel Freedman 978-621-2180 Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Kent Goto 618-910-9354 John Leroux 630-391-0604 Ray Luurs 763-843-8793 Mike Mackie 414-418-9507 Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Ron Perry 989-513-9058 Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Steve Rittenberg 256-585-4329 Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Aaron Shirley 618-509-3600 Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Larry Tipton 904-318-9372 TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 George Vrechek 773-469-0326 Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Mark Zentkovich 901-246-2722 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 12:27:37 -0400 To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Looks like you guys been waiting for this email, as plans are already being staged for about 16 OBCers so far! This is basically what I send out every year with some details for you National "rookies": Only 2 months til the National! If you haven't been to a National with the OBC crowd, it's time you did! I think I can speak for any of the previous rookies that they have come to the National and had an experience like no other involving cards. We've never met a stranger and will show you the ropes of shopping for cardboard. We have our share of activities, mainly the swap meet on Saturday night (at a location to be determined). Guaranteed to learn more about cardboard than you ever knew. You will meet some of our friendly dealers, who will help you destroy your want lists (at OBC affordable prices). Can't find a card? Don't worry, the OBC bird dog committee will help you and shoot you a text when we see it. Don't forget to join the OBC-National server for the latest info. I'll be keeping the roster as usual. If anyone has already made plans and picked a hotel, let me know. We like to stay close to each other if possible. Don't sweat getting around. There are usually more than enough folks with cars who can do the shuttle thing. Please support your drivers if they are taking you to the convention center. I don't know the parking prices at the Convention center yet. In the past, we go to the early bird opening of the convention Wednesday afternoon/night. Thursday is usually some kind of dinner somewhere. Friday is usually the ball game, but there is no game to be had. No word on if there will be a Net54 dinner, but it's a real good group to join if you haven't already. Saturday the swap, then Sunday, last minute deals before I head home. So let's get rolling, less expensive places are outside the convention center area and tend to fill up rather quickly. Some will be looking for roommates also. Good way to cut costs. Let me know if you are planning on attending, so we can start to keep track. Generally, we have had about 25 or OBCers make the trip each year. Would love to see some new folks join us. Remember, when you get into town, contact me and we'll let you know what's going on. I have the itch already Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/30/2016 2:42:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. This is where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers,you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill in the Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Tu-Su Bob Bannon 203-509-9076 Geordie Calvert 209-564-1129 Jason Christopherson 715-533-0437 Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Joel Freedman 978-621-2180 Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Kent Goto 618-910-9354 John Leroux 630-391-0604 Ray Luurs 763-843-8793 Mike Mackie 414-418-9507 Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Ron Perry 989-513-9058 Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Steve Rittenberg 256-585-4329 Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Aaron Shirley 618-509-3600 Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Larry Tipton 904-318-9372 TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 George Vrechek 773-469-0326 Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Mark Zentkovich Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:09:58 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Hi Sal. et al This year looks like a no go for me with a political campaign in full If the bottom drops out or something changes, I will let you know, but current plans are to live vicariously through the daily posts, and look forward to the next Chicago National Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB In a message dated 5/30/2016 11:27:44 A.M. Central Daylight Time, OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Looks like you guys been waiting for this email, as plans are already being staged for about 16 OBCers so far! This is basically what I send out every year with some details for you National "rookies": Only 2 months til the National! If you haven't been to a National with the OBC crowd, it's time you did! I think I can speak for any of the previous rookies that they have come to the National and had an experience like no other involving cards. We've never met a stranger and will show you the ropes of shopping for cardboard. We have our share of activities, mainly the swap meet on Saturday night (at a location to be determined). Guaranteed to learn more about cardboard than you ever knew. You will meet some of our friendly dealers, who will help you destroy your want lists (at OBC affordable prices). Can't find a card? Don't worry, the OBC bird dog committee will help you and shoot you a text when we see it. Don't forget to join the OBC-National server for the latest info. I'll be keeping the roster as usual. If anyone has already made plans and picked a hotel, let me know. We like to stay close to each other if possible. Don't sweat getting around. There are usually more than enough folks with cars who can do the shuttle thing. Please support your drivers if they are taking you to the convention center. I don't know the parking prices at the Convention center yet. In the past, we go to the early bird opening of the convention Wednesday afternoon/night. Thursday is usually some kind of dinner somewhere. Friday is usually the ball game, but there is no game to be had. No word on if there will be a Net54 dinner, but it's a real good group to join if you haven't already. Saturday the swap, then Sunday, last minute deals before I head home. So let's get rolling, less expensive places are outside the convention center area and tend to fill up rather quickly. Some will be looking for roommates also. Good way to cut costs. Let me know if you are planning on attending, so we can start to keep track. Generally, we have had about 25 or OBCers make the trip each year. Would love to see some new folks join us. Remember, when you get into town, contact me and we'll let you know what's going on. I have the itch already Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/30/2016 2:42:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. This is where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers,you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill in the Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Tu-Su Bob Bannon 203-509-9076 Geordie Calvert 209-564-1129 Jason Christopherson 715-533-0437 Richard Dingman 413-695-1303 Joel Freedman 978-621-2180 Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Kent Goto 618-910-9354 John Leroux 630-391-0604 Ray Luurs 763-843-8793 Mike Mackie 414-418-9507 Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Kevin Martens 516-641-1496 Ken Morganti 339-440-2862 Nick Pelletier 651-247-9116, Ron Perry 989-513-9058 Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Steve Rittenberg 256-585-4329 Taylor Schock 919-423-5190 Wes Shepard 937-367-4724 Aaron Shirley 618-509-3600 Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Larry Tipton 904-318-9372 TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 George Vrechek 773-469-0326 Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Mark Zentkovich Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 12:23:56 -0500 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 13:46:09 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: biggies@aol.com I have been trying to juggle things to make it but will not. I hope all that attend have a great and prosperous time. -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-NATIONAL] To: OBC-National ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, May 30, 2016 12:27 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 Looks like you guys been waiting for this email, as plans are already beingstaged for about 16 OBCers so far! This is basically what I send out every year with some details for you National Only 2 months til the National! If you haven't been to a National with the OBC crowd, it's time you did! I think I can speak for any of the previous rookies that they have come to the National and had an experience like no other involving cards. We've never met a stranger and will show you the ropesof shopping for cardboard. We have our share of activities, mainly the swap meet on Saturday night (at a location to be determined). Guaranteed to learn more about cardboard than you ever knew. You will meet some of our friendly dealers, who will help you destroy your want lists (at OBC affordable prices). Can't find a card? Don't worry, the OBC bird dog committee will help you and shoot you a text when we see it. Don't forget to join the OBC-National server for the latest info. I'll be keeping the roster as usual. If anyone has already made plans and picked a hotel, let me know. We like to stay close to each other if possible. Don't sweat getting around. There are usually more than enough folks withcars who can do the shuttle thing. Please support your drivers if they aretaking you to the convention center. I don't know the parking prices at the Convention center yet. In the past, we go to the early bird opening of the convention Wednesday afternoon/night. Thursday is usually some kind of dinner somewhere. Friday is usually the ball game, but there is no game to behad. No word on if there will be a Net54 dinner, but it's a real good group to join if you haven't already. Saturday the swap, then Sunday, last minute deals before I head home. So let's get rolling, less expensive places are outside the convention center area andtend to fill up rather quickly. Some will be looking for roommates also. Good way to cut costs. Let me know if you are planning on attending, so we can start to keep track. Generally, we have had about 25 or so OBCers make the trip each year. Would love to see some new folks join us. Remember, when you get into town, contact me and we'll let you know what's going on. I have the itch already Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/30/2016 2:42:12 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-NATIONAL-noreply@yahoogroups.com Ok Boys, Only 2 months away and time to start getting those hotels planned out. Thisis where we find out who is coming, where they are staying, and how we contact each other at the National. I'll follow up with how it all works for you newbies. All I can tell you now, is that this is the ultimate card shopping experience you will ever have. Not only do you have great dealers, you will be with people who have a WEALTH of knowledge of cards that you will get to hang with! In the meantime, this is version 1. I need you to "Fill inthe Blanks" of contact info, where you will be staying, etc. The Phillies are in town Tuesday nite. It's about an hour away from A.C. If the consensus is we try to hit that game, we will figure it out. I don't see the Phils selling out on a Tuesday night. I would suggest we start finding places to sleep, as the area is not as large as some of the other cities we hit and the hotel range goes from "wow this is cheap" to "OMG I need to hit big on the roulette table to stay here". This is what the list looks like (from last year's National)--- time now to "fill in the blanks"! Name Cell Phone Hotel Tues Game Fri Net54 Swap Session Days There Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 20:09:28 -0400 To: OBC National , Subject: Re: [OBC-NATIONAL] 2016 National Roster Fill in the Blanks v 1 From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I am sitting this one out, see everyone in Chicago 2017! ================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 02:42:55 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Waiver From: Ken Pillion Picked up a few 74 Topps Red Check List that need a new home. They all are the ** variety and all have some checks on the back. First comefirst serve and please include address. Ken P. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings Date: Mon, 30 May 2016 23:01:44 -0400 Subject: member-only access login pages From: Joe Isaac Good evening all in OBC, The AC brought to my attention a request to sort the member-only access login screen with active members alphabetically at the top of the list and inactive members alphabetically at the bottom of the list. All links on the directory page are now sorted. Our departed members are listed on the directory page at the "In Memory Of"link that can be found at the top of the page. Hope this helps everyone to streamline more effectively. Joe I Virus-free. www.avast.com ================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 00:59:46 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] member-only access login pages From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Well done Joe! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/30/2016 11:01:48 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Good evening all in OBC, The AC brought to my attention a request to sort the member-only access login screen with active members alphabetically at the top of the list and inactive members alphabetically at the bottom of the list. All links on the directory page are now sorted. Our departed members are listed on the directory page at the "In Memory Of" link that can be found at the top of the page. Hope this helps everyone to streamline more effectively. Joe I (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_mediumemail&utm_sourcelink&utm_campaignsig-email&utm_contentwebmail&utm_termicon) (https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_mediumemail&utm_sourcelink&utm_campaignsig-email&utm_contentwebmail&utm_termlink) ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 15:13:37 -0400 Subject: 68-69 Astros cards From: Shawn Smart Does anyone know the reason for this - were they going to change their nameat one point? In a strange move, the word "Astros" was not to be found on any Houston Astros card in 1968 or 1969. As far as Topps was concerned, the team name was known as "Houston" on the front and back of every card (including text on the back). Also, the Astros "star" logo was removed from all hats. http://1968topps.blogspot.com/2009/10/houston-we-have-problem.html =09 ================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 15:17:29 -0400 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68-69 Astros cards From: "Thomas W. Billing" The were originally called the =E2=9CColt .45=E2=99s=E2=9D after the gun. Once Colt complained, they became the =E2=9CAstros=E2=9D in part due to NASA=E2=99s location nearby. I am not sure when the name changed. It also helped to have the Astrodome constructed then as well. Tom Billing > On May 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Does anyone know the reason for this - were they going to change their name at one point? > In a strange move, the word "Astros" was not to be found on any Houston Astros card in 1968 or 1969. As far as Topps was concerned, the team name was known as "Houston" on the front and back of every card (including text onthe back). Also, the Astros "star" logo was removed from all hats. > http://1968topps.blogspot.com/2009/10/houston-we-have-problem.html ================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:50:24 +0000 To: "Thomas W. Billing" , Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68-69 Astros cards From: Matthew Glidden The Topps / Astros story likely hinged on a confluence of several factors. A few bloggers have looked into it, but it's possible 1960s MLB owners and Topps employees are the only ones who know for sure, given the nature of 1. "Astroturf" and the Astrodome were space-age products during a time when space-age was big business 2. Houston's owner was quite possibly a huge jerk about anyone using "Astros" or team insignia as a team name without paying him for it 3. The newly energized MLB Players Association made life hard on Topps in the late 1960s, refusing to pose for new spring training photos until they paid players more money for their likeness on cards; that's a big reason you see so many reused photos, airbrushed unis, and hatless players On modern cards, it's a little obnoxious how each team's logo has a TM or similar mark next to it, but I believe also relates to this. A generation ago, MLB Properties started more aggressively charging all users of team insignia (such as the Little Leagues) a fee to reuse MLB names. They've gotten flack for doing it, but it does produce revenue. And if teams don't want to pay the MLB, they're also free to make their own team name. Short story: Topps probably used "Houston" because they didn't want to pay money or risk a lawsuit over "Astros." But that's an educated guess and could be off in a couple of directions. On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:17 PM 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The were originally called the =E2=9CColt .45=E2=99s=E2=9D afterthe gun. Once Colt > complained, they became the =E2=9CAstros=E2=9D in part due to NASA=E2=99s > nearby. I am not sure when the name changed. It also helped to have the > Astrodome constructed then as well. > Tom Billing > On May 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Does anyone know the reason for this - were they going to change their > name at one point? > In a strange move, the word "Astros" was not to be found on any Houston > Astros card in 1968 or 1969. As far as Topps was concerned, the team name > was known as "Houston" on the front and back of every card (including text > on the back). Also, the Astros "star" logo was removed from all hats. > http://1968topps.blogspot.com/2009/10/houston-we-have-problem.html ================= To: Matthew Glidden , "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 15:53:39 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 68-69 Astros cards From: Shawn Smart Thanks Spike - that is similar to what I just found. Apparently there were no Astros Team cards either...how did I never know that! There was a trademark issue with "Astro" and "astroturf" that turned those players into "Houston" for about four or five years with Topps. There were no Houston team cards from 64-67 either. I have more on this here:http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/Astros%20Wackiness From: glidden.matthew@gmail.com Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:50:24 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68-69 Astros cards To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net; shawnsmart@hotmail.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com The Topps / Astros story likely hinged on a confluence of several factors. A few bloggers have looked into it, but it's possible 1960s MLB owners and Topps employees are the only ones who know for sure, given the nature of business. 1. "Astroturf" and the Astrodome were space-age products during a time whenspace-age was big business2. Houston's owner was quite possibly a huge jerk about anyone using "Astros" or team insignia as a team name without paying him for it3. The newly energized MLB Players Association made life hard on Topps in the late 1960s, refusing to pose for new spring training photos until they paid players more money for their likeness on cards; that's a big reason you see so many reused photos, airbrushed unis, and hatless players On modern cards, it's a little obnoxious how each team's logo has a TM or similar mark next to it, but I believe also relates to this. A generation ago, MLB Properties started more aggressively charging all users of team insignia (such as the Little Leagues) a fee to reuse MLB names. They've gotten flack for doing it, but it does produce revenue. And if teams don't want topay the MLB, they're also free to make their own team name. Short story: Topps probably used "Houston" because they didn't want to pay money or risk a lawsuit over "Astros." But that's an educated guess and could be off in a couple of directions. On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:17 PM 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: The were originally called the =93Colt .45=92s=94 after the gun. Once Colt complained, they became the =93Astros=94 in part due to NASA=92s location nearby. I am not sure when the name changed. It also helped to havethe Astrodome constructed then as well. Tom Billing On May 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Does anyone know the reason for this - were they going to change their nameat one point? In a strange move, the word "Astros" was not to be found on any Houston Astros card in 1968 or 1969. As far as Topps was concerned, the team name was known as "Houston" on the front and back of every card (including text on the back). Also, the Astros "star" logo was removed from all hats. http://1968topps.blogspot.com/2009/10/houston-we-have-problem.html ================= Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 17:28:20 -0400 To: Shawn Smart Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68-69 Astros cards From: Matthew Glidden If you're reading OBC's Dave Hornish and the Topps Archives, that's as close to true as we'll get for now. ;-) On Tuesday, May 31, 2016, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Thanks Spike - that is similar to what I just found. Apparently there > were no Astros Team cards either...how did I never know that! > There was a trademark issue with "Astro" and "astroturf" that turned those > players into "Houston" for about four or five years with Topps. > There were no Houston team cards from 64-67 either. I have more on this > here: > http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/search/label/Astros%20Wackiness > ------------------------------ > From: glidden.matthew@gmail.com > > Date: Tue, 31 May 2016 19:50:24 +0000 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68-69 Astros cards > To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net > ; > shawnsmart@hotmail.com > > CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > The Topps / Astros story likely hinged on a confluence of several factors. > A few bloggers have looked into it, but it's possible 1960s MLB owners and > Topps employees are the only ones who know for sure, given the nature of > business. > 1. "Astroturf" and the Astrodome were space-age products during a time > when space-age was big business > 2. Houston's owner was quite possibly a huge jerk about anyone using > "Astros" or team insignia as a team name without paying him for it > 3. The newly energized MLB Players Association made life hard on Topps in > the late 1960s, refusing to pose for new spring training photos until they > paid players more money for their likeness on cards; that's a big reason > you see so many reused photos, airbrushed unis, and hatless players > On modern cards, it's a little obnoxious how each team's logo has a TM or > similar mark next to it, but I believe also relates to this. A generation > ago, MLB Properties started more aggressively charging all users of team > insignia (such as the Little Leagues) a fee to reuse MLB names. They've > gotten flack for doing it, but it does produce revenue. And if teams don't > want to pay the MLB, they're also free to make their own team name. > Short story: Topps probably used "Houston" because they didn't want to pay > money or risk a lawsuit over "Astros." But that's an educated guess and > could be off in a couple of directions. > Spike > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 3:17 PM 'Thomas W. Billing' > billingtw@sbcglobal.net > [OBC-Ramblings] > > > wrote: > The were originally called the =E2=9CColt .45=E2=99s=E2=9D afterthe gun. Once Colt > complained, they became the =E2=9CAstros=E2=9D in part due to NASA=E2=99s > nearby. I am not sure when the name changed. It also helped to have the > Astrodome constructed then as well. > Tom Billing > On May 31, 2016, at 3:13 PM, Shawn Smart shawnsmart@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > > > wrote: > Does anyone know the reason for this - were they going to change their > name at one point? > In a strange move, the word "Astros" was not to be found on any Houston > Astros card in 1968 or 1969. As far as Topps was concerned, the team name > was known as "Houston" on the front and back of every card (including text > on the back). Also, the Astros "star" logo was removed from all hats. > http://1968topps.blogspot.com/2009/10/houston-we-have-problem.html ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2016 00:57:42 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Hey Kids, Do you want to be the coolest looking kid at the National? Do you want to be found by other members of OBC so you can get cardboard thrown at you? How about getting that extra discount from one of our favorite dealers because they can read the huge OBC on the back of your shirt? Time to place those orders. These shirts go very well with any version of OBC cap you own. It will also help us keep tabs on you in case your wife calls- "Oh, I see him. He is at table 1436 buying a Honus Wagner". With the looks of things, we can be the Skittles of baseball cards! All kinds of colors and styles! Don't wait and procrastinate! Make sure you have your shirts in time to put them in your suitcase when you pack for the National! (We don't want to see any OBCer shirtless-- WAY too scarey!) Get those orders in to Aaron if you plan on getting one. We need 50, I have a feeling we are going way over that! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 5/20/2016 9:06:57 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I currently have 29 orders (some paid, some not). Need 50. Here's the spiel again. GET YOUR 2016 OBC TSHIRTS! - These super low prices reflect a significant donation from a benevolent COLORS / OPTIONS: - PLAIN TEES ($7 shipped) available in FOREST GREEN or ROYAL BLUE (to match the most recent OBC cap) - POCKET TEES (only $2 more) available in SAFETY ORANGE or NAVY BLUE. - White print, small design on left breast and large print on back. Locations shown are approximates. - All shirt colors and designs are 100% preshrunk heavy cotton, except the safety orange shirts, which are 50/50. - Sample pictures below. If you can't see them, email me directly at uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com MINIMUM / EXTRAS - We need to shoot for at least 50 shirts. With more options this year, hopefully that won't be a problem. - Any potential profits will be rolled into ordering a few additional shirts for future members. - $7 for plain tees, $9 for pocket tees. - Prices INCLUDE shipping to the USA. Shipping outside the US will be - 2X and 3X shirts are an additional $2. Larger sizes MAY be available; please ask. - Payment by check, money order made out to Aaron Shirley. - PayPal Friends & Family to uthminsta AT hotmail DOT com - Funds must be received by July 1st. Please don't wait until then! - Be sure to include your name, address and SHIRT SIZE with your order! Aaron Shirley OBC class of 2005