================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 12:33:30 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Dec Waivers From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I got a bunch of requests to sort through, so I'll just surprise you if youget one. I'll prioritize on guy I haven't hit, of haven't hit much in the past year or two. Take Care,Geno From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2016 12:11 PM Subject: Dec Waivers Fellas -- It's a day earlier, but here's what's on the top of my stack at the moment.Please include your address if you claim any! 1959 Topps:440 Burette 442 Narleski454 Clark544 Tate 1972 Topps:580 Pinella592 Krausse599 Champion604 Checklist (copyright on rt side) Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 12:36:33 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Philly show From: OBC Nick P Is anybody going to the Philly show this weekend? I will not be there but there is a card gnawing at me that will likely be there. Let me know! Nick Pelletier ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2016 18:37:21 +0000 Subject: Who wants a t210 Wagner? From: Mac Wubben ================= To: "'OBC Nick P'" , Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2016 14:21:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly show From: "Matt Yudt" I am! Helping my friend Joce Kaligas - and he is staying at my house too. I will be there all 3 days, though not all day. Whats the card my friend? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 1, 2016 1:37 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly show Is anybody going to the Philly show this weekend? I will not be there but there is a card gnawing at me that will likely be there. Let me know! Nick Pelletier Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 09:48:10 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who wants a t210 Wagner? From: Ed Hutchinson I dont expect something this wonderful, but I would joyously accept it if it arrived! On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 9:38 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I cannot imagine anyone in OBC not wanting such a card. Being a new > father must have made you groggy to offer it up. Throw my name in the ring. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2016 1:37 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who wants a t210 Wagner? > I have a beater t210 Wagner available...series 1 augusta. Who wants it? > (random lucky person among the claims I guess [image: =8A]) > Mac ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 12:51:05 -0500 To: Bob Lemke Subject: Question From: "Thomas W. Billing" I am curious about the http://www.59cards.com site. It lists an update of January of 2015, soon to be two years. I wondered if you knew who is the originator/owner of the site. I have sent many new finds in the 1959 set his way and have never heard boo from him. Since your site is linked on his,thought you might know. I have a fear that he may no longer be among us and hope that this is not the case. Thanks and keep the blog rolling. Tom Billing ================= Date: 02 Dec 2016 10:09:49 -0800 To: Subject: Empire Waivers From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 15:23:38 -0500 Subject: Philly Show - Day 0 From: "Matt Yudt" First day of Philly show. Got in at 9:30 to help Joce set up and was at Uncle Dick's table by 10:45. He knows me from the philly shows and as OBC, but I know he doesn't remember my name, which of course I'm not alone - he immediately starts asking about a guy from the New England show (Shriners?) in early November, tall like me with longer hair - said how he accidentally received a large stack of cards that were supposed to be put in his binders but wound up in his bag (their error) and our 'OBC guy' called and came all the way back the next day to return them. Dick asked me to send a thank you to our public board recognizing his honesty and thanking him over again. He felt this was representative of OBC and commended the whole group, but especially him. It was a proud OBC moment! SOOO - who was it? It wasn't the funny-hat-guy (Ken), I thought maybe Joel (except for the tall part, and hair) and showed him his picture on Joel's site and it wasn't him. That leaves Bob D, Trip, and Spike from an old email I see. So step up and identify yourself! Ok, cards. While waiting for Joce I looked through a 10cent box at the table next to him - got about 6 72 hi#'s and all 4 Hank Aaron special cards from 74 (#2-5) and a few other things for $2 :). Anyone need em? Of course I bought a stack of cards from Uncle Dick, but the bin-of-the-day was found later - got 9 67 hi#'s for $12 (most were a buck), 11 61 hi#'s for $1to 3 ea. A small stack of 48-52 topps and bowmans for $1-4 each, a few other goodies and a 1965 Mickey Mantle for $20! No paperloss, perfectly rounded corners, some nice hand coloring on the back and a few wrinkles to show the love. Left before the show even opened - having spent over half what I wanted to over the whole weekend. Will be back Sat & Sun. the only bummer was the card Nick wanted from Uncle Dick was gone and I couldn't find another one. But then again, the show didn't even open yet, as I write this report :) Matt Yudt ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 15:28:47 -0500 To: Matt Yudt , Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly Show - Day 0 From: Joel Freedman Had to be Bat Boy Glidden............ On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:23 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > First day of Philly show. Got in at 9:30 to help Joce set up and was at > Uncle Dick=E2=99s table by 10:45. He knows me from the philly shows and as OBC, > but I know he doesn=E2=99t remember my name, which of course I=E2=99m not alone =E2=93 he > immediately starts asking about a guy from the New England show (Shriners?) > in early November, tall like me with longer hair =E2=93 said how he accidentally > received a large stack of cards that were supposed to be put in his binders > but wound up in his bag (their error) and our =E2OBC guy=E2=99 called and came all > the way back the next day to return them. Dick asked me to send a thank > you to our public board recognizing his honesty and thanking him over > again. He felt this was representative of OBC and commended the whole > group, but especially him. It was a proud OBC moment! SOOO =E2=93 who was it? > It wasn=E2=99t the funny-hat-guy (Ken), I thought maybe Joel (except for > tall part, and hair) and showed him his picture on Joel=E2=99s site and > wasn=E2=99t him. That leaves Bob D, Trip, and Spike from an old emailI > So step up and identify yourself! > Ok, cards. While waiting for Joce I looked through a 10cent box at the > table next to him =E2=93 got about 6 72 hi#=E2=99s and all 4 Hank Aaron special cards > from 74 (#2-5) and a few other things for $2 J. Anyone need em? Of > course I bought a stack of cards from Uncle Dick, but the bin-of-the-day > was found later =E2=93 got 9 67 hi#=E2=99s for $12 (most were a buck), 11 61 hi#=E2=99s > for $1to 3 ea. A small stack of 48-52 topps and bowmans for $1-4 each, a > few other goodies and a 1965 Mickey Mantle for $20! No paperloss, > perfectly rounded corners, some nice hand coloring on the back and a few > wrinkles to show the love. Left before the show even opened =E2=93 having > over half what I wanted to over the whole weekend. Will be back Sat & > Sun=E2=A6 the only bummer was the card Nick wanted from Uncle Dick was gone and > I couldn=E2=99t find another one. But then again, the show didn=E2=99t even open > yet, as I write this report J > Cheers, > Matt Yudt ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 14:02:23 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings Subject: MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASE READ" From: Marshall West OBC enthusiasts: I purchased my first 1962 Topps pack of cards in May, 1962. Speed forward to today... December, 2016. MY FedEx man gives me a 1962Venezuelan card #22 (Checklist 1) to complete the entire 1962 Venz set!! Yep, it only took 54.5 years. To accomplish this you need to obtain the following: 893 total cards (598 regular cards; 97 greenies and variations; 198 Venezuelan I put them all in one binder, and sorted them like this: Skowron regular / Skowron green / Skowron Venezuelan=E2=A6and so on in that order. The binder is a beautiful thing to look at. I can=E2=99t end this e-mail without giving Mr. RICK LYONS a huge THANK YOU! As we all know, all the tough cards to find and buy are always at theend of the line. RICK helped me, notified me of finds, and was just overall awesome with his Venz knowledge. Thank you so much RICK, and THANK YOU OBC! It feels like Christmas=E2=A6.so today, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO OBC=E2=A6ONE AND ALL! ================= Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 20:56:56 +0000 To: Joel Freedman , Matt Yudt , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly Show - Day 0 From: Bob Donaldson I'm 5'6" and balding. Wasn't me On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:29 PM Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Had to be Bat Boy Glidden............ > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:23 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > First day of Philly show. Got in at 9:30 to help Joce set up and was at > Uncle Dick=E2=99s table by 10:45. He knows me from the philly shows and as OBC, > but I know he doesn=E2=99t remember my name, which of course I=E2=99m not alone =E2=93 he > immediately starts asking about a guy from the New England show (Shriners?) > in early November, tall like me with longer hair =E2=93 said how he accidentally > received a large stack of cards that were supposed to be put in his binders > but wound up in his bag (their error) and our =E2OBC guy=E2=99 called and came all > the way back the next day to return them. Dick asked me to send a thank > you to our public board recognizing his honesty and thanking him over > again. He felt this was representative of OBC and commended the whole > group, but especially him. It was a proud OBC moment! SOOO =E2=93 who was it? > It wasn=E2=99t the funny-hat-guy (Ken), I thought maybe Joel (except for > tall part, and hair) and showed him his picture on Joel=E2=99s site and > wasn=E2=99t him. That leaves Bob D, Trip, and Spike from an old emailI > So step up and identify yourself! > Ok, cards. While waiting for Joce I looked through a 10cent box at the > table next to him =E2=93 got about 6 72 hi#=E2=99s and all 4 Hank Aaron special cards > from 74 (#2-5) and a few other things for $2 J. Anyone need em? Of > course I bought a stack of cards from Uncle Dick, but the bin-of-the-day > was found later =E2=93 got 9 67 hi#=E2=99s for $12 (most were a buck), 11 61 hi#=E2=99s > for $1to 3 ea. A small stack of 48-52 topps and bowmans for $1-4 each, a > few other goodies and a 1965 Mickey Mantle for $20! No paperloss, > perfectly rounded corners, some nice hand coloring on the back and a few > wrinkles to show the love. Left before the show even opened =E2=93 having > over half what I wanted to over the whole weekend. Will be back Sat & > Sun=E2=A6 the only bummer was the card Nick wanted from Uncle Dick was gone and > I couldn=E2=99t find another one. But then again, the show didn=E2=99t even open > yet, as I write this report J > Cheers, > Matt Yudt ================= Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 21:53:07 +0000 To: Bob Donaldson , Joel Freedman , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly Show - Day 0 From: Matthew Glidden Hmm, I wasn't there on Sunday! Did Sean McGowan make it there both days? On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:57 PM Bob Donaldson wrote: > I'm 5'6" and balding. Wasn't me > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:29 PM Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Had to be Bat Boy Glidden............ > On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:23 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > First day of Philly show. Got in at 9:30 to help Joce set up and was at > Uncle Dick=E2=99s table by 10:45. He knows me from the philly shows and as OBC, > but I know he doesn=E2=99t remember my name, which of course I=E2=99m not alone =E2=93 he > immediately starts asking about a guy from the New England show (Shriners?) > in early November, tall like me with longer hair =E2=93 said how he accidentally > received a large stack of cards that were supposed to be put in his binders > but wound up in his bag (their error) and our =E2OBC guy=E2=99 called and came all > the way back the next day to return them. Dick asked me to send a thank > you to our public board recognizing his honesty and thanking him over > again. He felt this was representative of OBC and commended the whole > group, but especially him. It was a proud OBC moment! SOOO =E2=93 who was it? > It wasn=E2=99t the funny-hat-guy (Ken), I thought maybe Joel (except for > tall part, and hair) and showed him his picture on Joel=E2=99s site and > wasn=E2=99t him. That leaves Bob D, Trip, and Spike from an old emailI > So step up and identify yourself! > Ok, cards. While waiting for Joce I looked through a 10cent box at the > table next to him =E2=93 got about 6 72 hi#=E2=99s and all 4 Hank Aaron special cards > from 74 (#2-5) and a few other things for $2 J. Anyone need em? Of > course I bought a stack of cards from Uncle Dick, but the bin-of-the-day > was found later =E2=93 got 9 67 hi#=E2=99s for $12 (most were a buck), 11 61 hi#=E2=99s > for $1to 3 ea. A small stack of 48-52 topps and bowmans for $1-4 each, a > few other goodies and a 1965 Mickey Mantle for $20! No paperloss, > perfectly rounded corners, some nice hand coloring on the back and a few > wrinkles to show the love. Left before the show even opened =E2=93 having > over half what I wanted to over the whole weekend. Will be back Sat & > Sun=E2=A6 the only bummer was the card Nick wanted from Uncle Dick was gone and > I couldn=E2=99t find another one. But then again, the show didn=E2=99t even open > yet, as I write this report J > Cheers, > Matt Yudt ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 16:10:10 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Philly Show - Day 0 From: Nate Mack What was the card Nick was looking for? Just curious... Nate Mack Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Matthew Glidden'" , Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 18:36:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly Show - Day 0 From: "Matt Yudt" What about Richard Dingman? From: Matthew Glidden [mailto:glidden.matthew@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 4:53 PM To: Bob Donaldson ; Joel Freedman ; Matt Yudt Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly Show - Day 0 Hmm, I wasn't there on Sunday! Did Sean McGowan make it there both days? On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:57 PM Bob Donaldson > wrote: I'm 5'6" and balding. Wasn't me On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:29 PM Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Had to be Bat Boy Glidden............ On Fri, Dec 2, 2016 at 3:23 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: First day of Philly show. Got in at 9:30 to help Joce set up and was at Uncle Dick=E2=99s table by 10:45. He knows me from the philly shows and as OBC, but I know he doesn=E2=99t remember my name, which of course I=E2=99m not alone =E2=93 he immediately starts asking about a guy from the New England show (Shriners?) in early November, tall like me with longerhair =E2=93 said how he accidentally received a large stack of cards that were supposed to be put in his binders but wound up in his bag (their error) and our =E2OBC guy=E2=99 called and came all the way back thenext day to return them. Dick asked me to send a thank you to our public board recognizing his honesty and thanking him over again. He felt this was representative of OBC and commended the whole group, but especially him. It was a proud OBC moment! SOOO =E2=93 who was it? It wasn=E2=99t the funny-hat-guy (Ken), I thought maybe Joel (except for the tall part, and hair) and showed him his picture on Joel=E2=99s site and it wasn=E2=99t him. That leaves Bob D, Trip, and Spike from an old email I see. So step up and identify yourself! Ok, cards. While waiting for Joce I looked through a 10cent box at the table next to him =E2=93 got about 6 72 hi#=E2=99s and all 4 Hank Aaron special cards from 74 (#2-5) and a few other things for $2 :). Anyone needem? Of course I bought a stack of cards from Uncle Dick, but the bin-of-the-day was found later =E2=93 got 9 67 hi#=E2=99s for $12 (most were a buck), 11 61 hi#=E2=99s for $1to 3 ea. A small stack of 48-52 topps and bowmans for $1-4 each, a few other goodies and a 1965 Mickey Mantle for $20! No paperloss, perfectly rounded corners, some nice hand coloring on the back and a few wrinkles to show the love. Left before the show even opened =E2=93 having spent over half what I wanted to over the whole weekend. Will be back Sat & Sun=E2=A6 the only bummer was the card Nick wanted from Uncle Dick was gone and I couldn=E2=99t find another one. But then again, the show didn=E2=99t even open yet, as I write this report :) Matt Yudt ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 22:21:08 -0500 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thanks and show report From: Notorious Windbag Hi all, The last 24 hours have been a whirlwind or activity for me, mostly driving. I had one week of vacation left to use or lose, so I decided to take off from last Wed. to next Wed. I had the kids on Tuesday and Wednesday nights. After dropping them off at school Thursday morning, I doubled back home, threw some clothes in a bag and some cards in a box, then set out for the six hour drive to my aunt's house in upstate NY. I got there around 3:30, had a quick bite and a quick nap and woke up around 11pm. I then set off for Twinsburg, OH (another six hour drive)and although I ran into some wintry weather around Erie, PA, I made it in plenty of time for my 8am dentist appointment. After SAM TAYLOR and his hygienist finished torturing me (well deserved considering my poor oral hygiene practices), I got to hang out at Sam's house for a couple hours while we pored over binders. I got to torture Sam back a little bit by pointing out all the variations he DIDN'T have in a number of sets - and even started him on a couple more (1978 OPC and 1977 Hostess as examples). Much to my surprise, I even had a hit or two to his already existing lists. In addition to my now beautiful smile, Sam gave me a 1978 OPC Seaver - brining that set down to a top 10 list. He also added in a pair of complete sets with a 1979 Hawaiian Islanders (minor league) team set and a Kahn's kielbasa Yaz (a 1 card set). Sam also wiped out all five of the single * Topps cloth stickers on my list. THANKS SAM!! From Twinsburg, I made yet another six hour drive - this time to King of Prussia, PA and the Philly show. I made it there around 6pm and had just a couple hours to browse. I got a 3-day pass and a hotel room about 20-min. away, so I will return for a couple more days. Met up with Ed Schott and we bought some stuff from a table with a huge assortment of vintage including a nice low grade bargain box. I pulled a $2 Kaat RC, a Dolan Nichols error ($5), a 1949B variation ($2) and a couple 61 Bob Cerv's (hi#). Also stopped at Kevin Savage's table where I picked up some glossy hockey inserts variations for my set and some cards for my holiday package. I got a 58 Pancho Herrera card with some of his FIRST name missing - top that! OK, don't have a heart attack, it's due to paper loss :-D OK, gonna get a good night's sleep and start out fresh tomorrow morning. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: Bob Lemke , "Thomas W. Billing" Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 05:07:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question From: richard dingman thanks for sharing the note, I did not know of this site and enjoyed it. Nicely organized, great pictures, saw some stuff i did not know. Hope the organizer is well. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 12:51 PM To: Bob Lemke Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question I am curious about the http://www.59cards.com site. It lists an update of January of 2015, soon to be two years. I wondered if you knew who is the originator/owner of the site. I have sent many new finds in the 1959 set his way and have never heard boo from him. Since your site is linked on his, thought you might know. I have a fear that he may no longer be among us and hope that this is not the case. Thanks and keep the blog rolling. Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 01:49:51 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASE READ" From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Now THAT is a master set! WTG Marshall! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/2/2016 4:02:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: OBC enthusiasts: I purchased my first 1962 Topps pack of cards in May, 1962. Speed forward to today... December, 2016. MY FedEx man gives me a 1962 Venezuelan card #22 (Checklist 1) to complete the entire 1962 Venz set!! Yep, it only took 54.5 years. To accomplish this you need to obtain the 893 total cards (598 regular cards; 97 greenies and variations; 198 Venezuelan cards). I put them all in one binder, and sorted them like this: Skowron regular / Skowron green / Skowron Venezuelan=E2=A6and so on in that order. The binder a beautiful thing to look at. I can=E2=99t end this e-mail without giving Mr. RICK LYONS a huge THANK YOU! we all know, all the tough cards to find and buy are always at the end of the line. RICK helped me, notified me of finds, and was just overall awesome with his Venz knowledge. Thank you so much RICK, and THANK YOU OBC! It feels like Christmas=E2=A6.so today, MERRY CHRISTMAS TO OBC=E2=A6ONE AND ALL! ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 06:02:35 -0600 Subject: can somebody tell me what this is From: "Ken & Linda" 1970 Kelloggs MLB LithoFusion Iron On LOT OF 126 DECALS http://r.ebay.com/eVPEV9 I looked in the "big book" under Kellogg's and cant find them listed.......is this mis-labeled? Whats the "scoop". Thanks in advance for any response. Ken Goetsch ================= To: Ken & Linda , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 08:22:17 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] can somebody tell me what this is From: Yaz It looks like Kellogg's made hundreds of different iron on transfers back in the 60's that came in their cereal boxes. (I even saw some Star Trek ones when I was looking around.) At this guy's page, http://runforekelloggsbaseballcards.blogspot.com/2015/04/finally-tested-1970-kelloggs-baseball.html he hints that the baseball emblems came in the packages of cards that came in the boxes. Greg (yaz) On 12/3/2016 6:02 AM, 'Ken & Linda' kshoes@charter.net [OBC-Ramblings] > 1970 Kelloggs MLB LithoFusion ================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 12:13:20 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] can somebody tell me what this is From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en If any of you team collectors want to jump in on this, I'll pay the proportional rate for the Mets... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/3/2016 7:08:15 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: 1970 Kelloggs MLB LithoFusion Iron On LOT OF 126 DECALS http://r.ebay.com/eVPEV9 I looked in the "big book" under Kellogg's and cant find them listed.......is this mis-labeled? Whats the "scoop". Thanks in advance for any response. Ken Goetsch ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 09:47:11 -0800 Subject: Re: MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASE READ" From: "George Vrechek" Marshall West's Venezuelan set completion is quite the accomplishment. Cards from Venezuela didn't make much of an appearance in the US until dealers like Pat Quinn started making trips there in the 1980s. (SCD article to appear on this in a few months.) Dealers bought whatever they could but condition was generally poor including cards glued into albums. Just figuring out what cards are in the set wasn't easy. Two of the 198 1962 cards were replaced. Prices are no bargain, especially for superstar card collectors. There is a Venezuelan online card group, if you head down Marshall's slippery slope on these sets. One or two type cards has been enough effort for me, so I appreciate what Marshall went through to put together a set. George Vrechek ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 10:42:52 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASE READ" From: "George Vrechek" My notes say: The 1962 cards were in Spanish, except for the series on Babe Ruth. The last two cards were added: Luis Aparicio (#200) and Elio Chacon (#199) and replaced #s 197 and 198. George Vrechek From: Aaron Shirley [mailto:uthminsta@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 10:30 AM To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASE > Two of the 198 1962 cards were replaced. Which two would that be? Those would be the two I'd want... plus of course the Cardinals. ================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 15:34:08 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Howdy Football Fans From: smartalecx@aol.com I know I have been virtually invisible for most of the year as I was running for State Representative in Illinois. While I didn't win, I still found the campaign to be successful in many ways, and learned an awful lot about politics (some of which I wish I didn't know). In any case, I wanted to let everyone know that I plan on running the NFL Playoff Pool once again this year. I will be providing details in a few weeks once the teams involved become a bit more clear, but start thinking about it. Happy Holidays to all, and I will be back to you soon! Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 15:35:25 -0500 Subject: quick question - 12-pocket sheets use From: "Matt Yudt" Besides bowmans 48-50, What other cards (inc non sport I guess) are good in 12-pocket sheets. You only need 45 for that bowman run, so trying to decide if buying a whole box makes any sense. ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 16:15:40 -0500 Subject: OBC all star From: "Matt Yudt" Well done, Sean McGowan - I'm sure you are too humble to step up, but Uncle Dick asked me to thank you publicly! (First paragraph below for those that missed it) Matt Yudt From: Matt Yudt [mailto:yudts5@verizon.net] Sent: Friday, December 2, 2016 3:24 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: Philly Show - Day 0 First day of Philly show. Got in at 9:30 to help Joce set up and was at Uncle Dick's table by 10:45. He knows me from the philly shows and as OBC, but I know he doesn't remember my name, which of course I'm not alone - he immediately starts asking about a guy from the New England show (Shriners?) in early November, tall like me with longer hair - said how he accidentally received a large stack of cards that were supposed to be put in his binders but wound up in his bag (their error) and our 'OBC guy' called and came all the way back the next day to return them. Dick asked me to send a thank you to our public board recognizing his honesty and thanking him over again. He felt this was representative of OBC and commended the whole group, but especially him. It was a proud OBC moment! SOOO - who was it? It wasn't the funny-hat-guy (Ken), I thought maybe Joel (except for the tall part, and hair) and showed him his picture on Joel's site and it wasn't him. That leaves Bob D, Trip, and Spike from an old email I see. So step up and identify yourself! Ok, cards. While waiting for Joce I looked through a 10cent box at the table next to him - got about 6 72 hi#'s and all 4 Hank Aaron special cards from 74 (#2-5) and a few other things for $2 :). Anyone need em? Of course I bought a stack of cards from Uncle Dick, but the bin-of-the-day was found later - got 9 67 hi#'s for $12 (most were a buck), 11 61 hi#'s for $1to 3 ea. A small stack of 48-52 topps and bowmans for $1-4 each, a few other goodies and a 1965 Mickey Mantle for $20! No paperloss, perfectly rounded corners, some nice hand coloring on the back and a few wrinkles to show the love. Left before the show even opened - having spent over half what I wanted to over the whole weekend. Will be back Sat & Sun. the only bummer was the card Nick wanted from Uncle Dick was gone and I couldn't find another one. But then again, the show didn't even open yet, as I write this report :) Matt Yudt ================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 13:59:36 -0800 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick question - 12-pocket sheets use From: John Stamper Buy the whole box. 69 Decals, 51 red and blue back, 62 stamps... John Stamper > On Dec 3, 2016, at 12:35 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > Besides bowmans 48-50, What other cards (inc non sport I guess) are good in 12-pocket sheets. You only need 45 for that bowman run, so trying to decide if buying a whole box makes any sense=E2=A6 > Thanks > Matt ================= Date: Sat, 03 Dec 2016 17:12:33 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick question - 12-pocket sheets use From: Ken M If 1975 minis fit, I'll split the box w/u tomorrow. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 3, 2016 4:59 PMTo: Matt Yudt;Cc: OBC Ramblings;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick question - 12-pocket sheets use Buy the whole box. 69 Decals, 51 red and blue back, 62 stamps... John Stamper On Dec 3, 2016, at 12:35 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   HiBesides bowmans 48-50, What other cards (inc non sport I guess) are good in 12-pocket sheets.  You only need 45 for that bowman run, so trying to decide if buying a whole box makes any sense… ThanksMatt ================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 20:51:49 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick question - 12-pocket sheets use From: Mike Glasser There are lots of tobacco issues that fit in them very nicely. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 3, 2016 5:12 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick question - 12-pocket sheets use If 1975 minis fit, I'll split the box w/u tomorrow. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 3, 2016 4:59 PM To: Matt Yudt; Cc: OBC Ramblings; Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick question - 12-pocket sheets use Buy the whole box. 69 Decals, 51 red and blue back, 62 stamps... John Stamper On Dec 3, 2016, at 12:35 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Besides bowmans 48-50, What other cards (inc non sport I guess) are good in12-pocket sheets. You only need 45 for that bowman run, so trying to decide if buying a whole box makes any sense=E2=A6 ================= Date: Sat, 3 Dec 2016 19:53:46 -0700 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASE READ" From: Marshall West Thank goodness the Venezuelan guys took away #200 Mickey Mantle, and replaced Mantle with #200 Aparicio. Can you imagine the cost of a rare, short-printed Mickey Mantle Venezuelan card? Marshall West > On Dec 3, 2016, at 11:42 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > My notes say: The 1962 cards were in Spanish, except for the series on Babe Ruth. The last two cards were added: Luis Aparicio (#200) and Elio Chacon (#199) and replaced #s 197 and 198. > George Vrechek > <> > From: Aaron Shirley [mailto:uthminsta@hotmail.com] > Sent: Saturday, December 3, 2016 10:30 AM > To: George Vrechek > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: MARSHALL'S 1962 VENEZUELAN CARDS "PLEASEREAD" > > Two of the 198 1962 cards were replaced. > Which two would that be? Those would be the two I'd want... plus of course the Cardinals. > Aaron ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 09:51:40 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Philly show report - day 2 From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi gang, I typed up a few paragraphs last night, proof read it... and then somehow managed to delete it before sending. Attempt number two... After a lot of driving and a short visit to the show, Saturday was just the opposite. I had a short drive over to the casino venue (what is it with the last two shows being smack dab in the middle of gambling venues?) I've been a good boy, so my time without a bet is still intact (six years as of last Friday). I credit my card collecting compulsion being strong enough to override my gambling compulsion - and that's saying something. Anyway, back on track - short drive, long stay at the show. I tried calling Matt when I got there, but no answer. No fear, he found me in my safety orange OBC shirt in the crowd. I asked to take a look at the 1956's he mentioned on the server and wound up making a nice deal at his dealer friend's table (Joce Kaligis). I ended up with a pile of stuff including a few white back (second series) 56's, my first nine 1976 Twinkies (priced $4 ea.), an unopened BOX or 1968 Fleer iron-ons (marked $60), a couple odds and ends for my favorite dentist, and some other stuff. I added up a rough total of $120 and handed over the stack. "I'll do $60 for it." "Wow. OK, sure!" That paid for the unopened box and the rest was free on that deal. However, now I have this unopened box that's almost as old as I am and I'm busting at the seams trying not to tear into it. It will probably make it home, but I'm not sure how long it will last after that, since I don't have any loose examples in my collection. Just prior to Matt's arrival, I scored a deal at William Chappelle's table that netted me more stuff that Sam will be able to tell you about in a week or so. I also made some good progress on my holiday exchange gift, which I will hopefully be able to mail in the next day or so - first time ever before December 20-something. I can only hope. Just before lunch, I posted a pic to the DS server about a 52 Mantle (Bowman) that I saw marked $250, but didn't ask to see. After lunch, I decided, "What the hell am I doing?" and went back to the table to check it out. Richard Dingman had replied while I was eating and has claimed the card for the $220 price that I bought it. The big purchase was at (I think?) Blowout Cards. It was a stack that included 1958 Aaron YL and Clemente YT, two Mantles (64 and 65), plus a small pile of other stars and high numbers. Trip has already claimed the two 58 yellows, but the Mantles will be on the DS server before long. My top buy of the day came at Stan's cards. I spied a nice looking and complete 1971 Kellogg's set in the back behind his cases (with a $1000 sticker on it). Out of curiosity, I thumbed through the set looking for the last two variations I needed. "Let's see, Wright with the Angels crest logo? Nope. Northrup 2772 AB?" ....and there it was. I told Stan about it and he seemed reluctant to break up the set he had just bought. So I pored through his three monster boxes of bargain cards and the two stacks in his showcase to no avail - found 3 Northrup's with the ever present 2773 AB though. I would have to get him to break his newly acquired NM set. I gave him my best puppy dog/charity poster child eyes and he must've felt bad that I drove 18 hours to a show that was 5-1/2 hours away, but he relented and I happily paid nearly full book for it ($12). Now if anyone has the 1971 Kellogg's #28 Clyde Wright with the Angels crest logo on the back, I will reward them handsomely or die trying. Just sayin'. My plans for today are to make a brief stop at the show, grab a bite to eat with Matt and finally head for home. I'll have a couple days to myself before getting the kids for my normal time and then back to work on Thursday afternoon. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 07:51:31 -0800 Subject: OBC Hall of Mediocrity- Walt Dropo (Chris Tripler's guy!) From: "Grant Rainsley" From Chris: I've thought about it for awhile, and I'm going to nominate WALT DROPO as my HOMer. * born in Connecticut like me. * went to and graduated in high school like me * went to and graduated from UConn like me * played for my favorite team, the Red Sox * he had a heck of a career but not HOF worthy, beating out Whitey Ford for ROY is pretty nice though * I was a teammate of his daughter's on the local masters swim team * I was given cards directly from his collection * He lived in the North Shore like me... I'm actually surprised it took me this long to find my HOMer... I now have a binder dedicated to his cards. Happy to announce the unanimous decision to enshrine Walt "Moose from Moosup" Dropo on our Honor Roll. Chris Tripler's choice was immediately met with serious discussion about the fact Walt is in that tougher '57 Topps series, and whether that should count against him. However, it was quickly pointed out that Walt has an ultra ULTRA short print in the 1951 Connie Mack's All Stars set, so '57 was not counted as a negative. Congrats Walt! Chris has already started his Dropo Binder...and in keeping with OBC HOM tradition, any and all Walt Dropo issues will be made welcome in the Tripler household. As we all know, you can't possibly have too many goodies in your HOM'er Binder. As always, Joe Isaac will take care of embedding Mr. Dropo on the OBC Website. (Thanks Joe!) ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 10:54:56 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: "OBC all-star" From: Sean McGowan yes, that was me at the Wilmington show... except I came back the same day, just to keep the details straight, and it was only a 15-min drive, so not such a big deal. I would like to think that all of us would have done the same thing given the same circumstances. Plus, at the time I really had no idea how the cards got there and I was afraid I had done something, although it turned out to be Uncle Dick's asst who accidentally put my card on top of another stack that was there and then handed me the whole stack. And, UD gave me 3 $5-ish bowman's from my want list for my trouble, so I don't have to wait for my reward in heaven :) Go OBC! Sean (1) ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 18:11:56 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly show report - day 2 From: richard dingman Many thanks to Ken for that '52B Mantle, it was a set killer, and one I thought likely I would never get!! Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 9:51 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly show report - day 2 Hi gang, I typed up a few paragraphs last night, proof read it... and then somehowmanaged to delete it before sending. Attempt number two... After a lot of driving and a short visit to the show, Saturday was just the opposite. I had a short drive over to the casino venue (what is it with the last two shows being smack dab in the middle of gambling venues?) I've been a good boy, so my time without a bet is still intact (six years as of last Friday). I credit my card collecting compulsion being strong enough tooverride my gambling compulsion - and that's saying something. Anyway, back on track - short drive, long stay at the show. I tried calling Matt when I got there, but no answer. No fear, he found me in my safety orange OBC shirt in the crowd. I asked to take a look at the1956's he mentioned on the server and wound up making a nice deal at his dealer friend's table (Joce Kaligis). I ended up with a pile of stuff including a few white back (second series) 56's, my first nine 1976 Twinkies (priced $4 ea.), an unopened BOX or 1968 Fleer iron-ons (marked $60), a couple odds and ends for my favorite dentist, and some other stuff. I added up a rough total of $120 and handed over the stack. "I'll do $60 for it." "Wow. OK, sure!" That paid for the unopened box and the rest was free on that deal. However, now I have this unopened box that's almost as old as I am and I'm busting at the seams trying not to tear into it. It will probably make ithome, but I'm not sure how long it will last after that, since I don't have any loose examples in my collection. Just prior to Matt's arrival, I scored a deal at William Chappelle's table that netted me more stuff that Sam will be able to tell you about in a week or so. I also made some good progress on my holiday exchange gift, whichI will hopefully be able to mail in the next day or so - first time ever before December 20-something. I can only hope. Just before lunch, I posted a pic to the DS server about a 52 Mantle (Bowman) that I saw marked $250, but didn't ask to see. After lunch, I decided,"What the hell am I doing?" and went back to the table to check it out. Richard Dingman had replied while I was eating and has claimed the card for the $220 price that I bought it. The big purchase was at (I think?) Blowout Cards. It was a stack that included 1958 Aaron YL and Clemente YT, two Mantles (64 and 65), plus a small pile of other stars and high numbers. Trip has already claimed the two 58 yellows, but the Mantles will be on the DS server before long. My top buy of the day came at Stan's cards. I spied a nice looking and complete 1971 Kellogg's set in the back behind his cases (with a $1000 sticker on it). Out of curiosity, I thumbed through the set looking for the last two variations I needed. "Let's see, Wright with the Angels crest logo? Nope. Northrup 2772 AB?" ....and there it was. I told Stan about it and he seemed reluctant to break up the set he had just bought. So I pored through his three monster boxes of bargain cards and the two stacks in his showcase to no avail - found 3 Northrup's with the ever present 2773 AB though. I would have to get him to break his newly acquired NM set. I gave him my best puppy dog/charity poster child eyes and he must've felt bad that I drove 18 hours to a show that was 5-1/2 hours away, but he relented and I happily paid nearly full book for it ($12). Now if anyone has the 1971 Kellogg's #28 Clyde Wright with the Angels crest logo on the back, I will reward them handsomely or die trying. Just sayin'. My plans for today are to make a brief stop at the show, grab a bite to eat with Matt and finally head for home. I'll have a couple days to myself before getting the kids for my normal time and then back to work on Thursdayafternoon. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 15:14:15 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly show report - day 2 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en TWO 52B Mantles to kill sets within a month, and BOTH under $250. Well Done Richard! Feels kinda good, doesn't it? We have both been scowering the Nationals the past few years trying to kill these sets at prices that aren't mortgage payments. Who else needs just that one card to finish the set? I'll send Ken out on a seek and destroy mission! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/4/2016 1:12:10 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Many thanks to Ken for that '52B Mantle, it was a set killer, and one I thought likely I would never get!! Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 9:51 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Philly show report - day 2 Hi gang, I typed up a few paragraphs last night, proof read it... and then somehow managed to delete it before sending. Attempt number two... After a lot of driving and a short visit to the show, Saturday was just the opposite. I had a short drive over to the casino venue (what is it with the last two shows being smack dab in the middle of gambling venues?) I've been a good boy, so my time without a bet is still intact (six years as of last Friday). I credit my card collecting compulsion being strong enough to override my gambling compulsion - and that's saying something. Anyway, back on track - short drive, long stay at the show. I tried calling Matt when I got there, but no answer. No fear, he found me in my safety orange OBC shirt in the crowd. I asked to take a look at the 1956's he mentioned on the server and wound up making a nice deal at his dealer friend's table (Joce Kaligis). I ended up with a pile of stuff including a few white back (second series) 56's, my first nine 1976 Twinkies (priced $4 ea.), an unopened BOX or 1968 Fleer iron-ons (marked $60), a couple odds and ends for my favorite dentist, and some other stuff. I added up a rough total of $120 and handed over the stack. "I'll do $60 for it." "Wow. OK, sure!" That paid for the unopened box and the rest was free on that deal. However, now I have this unopened box that's almost as old as I am and I'm busting at the seams trying not to tear into it. It will probably makeit home, but I'm not sure how long it will last after that, since I don't have any loose examples in my collection. Just prior to Matt's arrival, I scored a deal at William Chappelle's table that netted me more stuff that Sam will be able to tell you about ina week or so. I also made some good progress on my holiday exchange gift, which I will hopefully be able to mail in the next day or so - first time ever before December 20-something. I can only hope. Just before lunch, I posted a pic to the DS server about a 52 Mantle (Bowman) that I saw marked $250, but didn't ask to see. After lunch, I decided, "What the hell am I doing?" and went back to the table to check itout. Richard Dingman had replied while I was eating and has claimed the card for the $220 price that I bought it. The big purchase was at (I think?) Blowout Cards. It was a stack that included 1958 Aaron YL and Clemente YT, two Mantles (64 and 65), plus a small pile of other stars and high numbers. Trip has already claimed the two 58 yellows, but the Mantles will be on the DS server before long. My top buy of the day came at Stan's cards. I spied a nice looking and complete 1971 Kellogg's set in the back behind his cases (with a $1000 sticker on it). Out of curiosity, I thumbed through the set looking for thelast two variations I needed. "Let's see, Wright with the Angels crest logo? Nope. Northrup 2772 AB?" ....and there it was. I told Stan about it and he seemed reluctant to break up the set he had just bought. So I pored through his three monster boxes of bargain cards and the two stacks in his showcase to no avail - found 3 Northrup's with the ever present 2773 AB though. I would have to get him to break his newly acquired NM set. I gave him my best puppy dog/charity poster child eyes and he must've felt bad that I drove 18 hours to a show that was 5-1/2 hours away, but he relented and I happily paid nearly full book for it ($12). Now if anyone has the 1971 Kellogg's #28 Clyde Wright with the Angels crest logo on the back, I will reward them handsomely or die trying. Just sayin'. My plans for today are to make a brief stop at the show, grab a bite to eat with Matt and finally head for home. I'll have a couple days to myself before getting the kids for my normal time and then back to work on Thursday afternoon. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2016 20:58:16 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings , Subject: 59, 68, 69, 71, and 72 football needs From: John Dahms I am getting close on a couple of these sets and am hoping I can get some help from some of you guys. I have baseball to swap and some football. thanks for looking 1959 topps football wantlist 4 5 23 41 82 1968 topps football wantlist74(john mackey) 130(alex karras) 160(jim taylor) 168(kiletnikoff) 186(kilmer) 207(lee roy Jordan) 1969 topps football #263 Lomonica 1971 topps football wantlist 133 144 150 154 190 210 250 252 -254 260on up... 1972 topps football wantlist 200(Roger Staubach RC) 259(Larry Csonka IA) let me know and again, thanks for looking John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 04 Dec 2016 16:03:49 -0800 To: Subject: Local show report (Independence OH) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2016 19:37:00 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local show report (Independence OH) From: Ken M Ed,  There's three variations on the 59 Spahn regarding his birth year.A: born 1921B: born 1931 (3 partially obscured)C: born 1931 (unobscured 3)In my experience, the unobscured 3 is by far the toughest, followed by 1921 and the obscured 3 is most common. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Ken M Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 01:12:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local show report (Independence OH) From: richard dingman there is also a variation (print error for those who care) which has a bluevertical line in the mid-right border. it occurs, or doesn't, on all 3 aforementioned variations. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2016 7:37 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local show report (Independence OH) There's three variations on the 59 Spahn regarding his birth year. A: born 1921 B: born 1931 (3 partially obscured) C: born 1931 (unobscured 3) In my experience, the unobscured 3 is by far the toughest, followed by 1921and the obscured 3 is most common. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. /p> ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 08:33:22 -0800 Subject: Minor or miner? damage From: "George Vrechek" An unintentionally humorous listing made me laugh today. See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122254850277?ul_noapp=true These babies, if even real, were stored in grandfather's basement and have some "minor damage. You determine the grade." By OBC standards these cards would be Tipton mint. He must have meant that miners picked away at them in the basement. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 08:40:33 -0800 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Minor or miner? damage From: Anthony Funny but I just bid on this Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone > On Dec 5, 2016, at 8:33 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > An unintentionally humorous listing made me laugh today. See: http://www.ebay.com/itm/122254850277?ul_noapptrue > These babies, if even real, were stored in grandfather=E2=99s basementand have some =E2=9Cminor damage. You determine the grade.=E2=9D By OBC standards these cards would be Tipton mint. He must have meant that miners picked away at them in the basement. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 13:20:31 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 1973 topps football gremlin From: JDahms ================= Date: 05 Dec 2016 10:35:18 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire DVD's From: rangersteve7@optonline.net ================= Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2016 13:38:18 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1973 topps football gremlin From: JDahms ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2016 15:00:32 -0800 Subject: Thanks to SAM TAYLOR From: "George Vrechek" Sam Taylor adds to my virtual collection by sending a 1948 Bowman footballer to reduce my wantlist to 24 cards and two 1961 Nu-Cards wrapped up in PSA7 holders. I will try sticking those in the spokes of my bike to see how well the protectors hold up. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 12:01:50 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Invest in baseball From: OBC Nick P I'm watching a couple auctions on eBay. The seller is Invest in Baseball. Is this the guy who doesn't have the time for us and wrote a harsh email when his application was denied to become a certified dealer? Am I thinking of somebody else? Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:07:02 -0500 To: OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Jimi Thayer That's the guy! SEAN BASSIK.... Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:01 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm watching a couple auctions on eBay. The seller is Invest in Baseball. > Is this the guy who doesn't have the time for us and wrote a harsh email when his application was denied to become a certified dealer? > Am I thinking of somebody else? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:19:30 -0500 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: "Thomas W. Billing" Sounds like a real winner. I believe I have never done business with him and this will not push me his direction. Is he related to toppsaholic? Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > That's the guy! SEAN BASSIK.... > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:01 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > >> I'm watching a couple auctions on eBay. The seller is Invest in Baseball. >> Is this the guy who doesn't have the time for us and wrote a harsh emailwhen his application was denied to become a certified dealer? >> Am I thinking of somebody else? >> Nick Pelletier >> Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 13:22:55 -0500 To: twbilling@sbcglobal.net, jimivintage@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Mike Glasser What did he say? I'm being nosy I know.. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Jimi Thayer Cc: OBC Nick P ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2016 1:19 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball Sounds like a real winner. I believe I have never done business with him and this will not push me his direction. Is he related to toppsaholic? Tom Billing On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:07 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: That's the guy! SEAN BASSIK.... Sent from my iPad On Dec 6, 2016, at 1:01 PM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I'm watching a couple auctions on eBay. The seller is Invest in Baseball. Is this the guy who doesn't have the time for us and wrote a harsh e mail when his application was denied to become a certified dealer? Am I thinking of somebody else? Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 11:15:48 -0800 To: OBC Nick P Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: John Stamper Yes, this is the guy. John Stamper > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:01 AM, OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm watching a couple auctions on eBay. The seller is Invest in Baseball. > Is this the guy who doesn't have the time for us and wrote a harsh email when his application was denied to become a certified dealer? > Am I thinking of somebody else? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: 06 Dec 2016 11:57:39 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:06:15 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: chris tripler Wow. The balls and the gall. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 6, 2016, at 2:57 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The guy is a real piece of work. > Here's the entire message thread, beginning (at the bottom) when I sent him the e-mail saying his "application" to become a Certified Dealer" was rejected: > >>I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone acrossthe country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". > There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? > Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. > I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. > I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism > Sean Bassik > Owner > Invest In Baseball > 7375 E Stetson Drive Suite 104 > Scottsdale AZ, 85251 > (623) 203 - 8138 > www.InvestInBaseball.com >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Tom Housley wrote: >> Sean, >> I am sorry to hear that, and I am personally disappointed in your reaction. >> If you feel that you should be afforded OBC Certified Dealer status, then the best course of action is to contact the members(s) that buy from you to see if they would recommend you. There is no shortcut to becoming a Certified >> Tom Housley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sean Bassik >> To: Tom Housley >> Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 10:21 am >> Subject: Re: Your application to become an OBC Certified Dealer >> There is far more than 5 members that buy from me and I treat them all incredibly well as I do with my entire customer list. >> To have such a close minded group doesn't bode well with me. >> I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. >>> On Nov 1, 2015 8:16 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: >>> Hello Sean, >>> In June you posted an application to become an OBC-Certified dealer. >>> Our Rules Of Conduct state: >>> "For a dealer to be listed on the OBC Friendly Dealer section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC member can petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. >>> Since the requirements for becoming a Certified Dealer have not been met, the OBC Advisory Committee cannot vote on your application, and thus itwill be removed from our website. >>> If, in your dealings with OBC members, you can obtain the necessary 5 recommendations, your request may be re-considered, although the request must come from an OBC member. >>> Regards, >>> Tom Housley<< ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:06:52 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Mike Glasser He finds it 'disgusting'? Wow. It must be hard to be him. I feel sorry for him but mostly I feel sorry for his wife. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2016 2:58 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball The guy is a real piece of work. Here's the entire message thread, beginning (at the bottom) when I sent himthe e-mail saying his "application" to become a Certified Dealer" was rejected: >>I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not careto search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 bia sed reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influenceI am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism Sean Bassik Invest In Baseball 7375 E Stetson Drive Suite 104 Scottsdale AZ, 85251 (623) 203 - 8138 On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Tom Housley wrote: I am sorry to h ear that, and I am personally disappointed in your reaction. If you feel that you should be afforded OBC Certified Dealer status, then the best course of action is to contact the members(s) that buy from you to see if they would recommend you. There is no shortcut to becoming a Certified Tom Housley -----Original Message----- From: Sean Bassik To: Tom Housley Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 10:21 am Subject: Re: Your application to become an OBC Certified Dealer There is far more than 5 members that buy from me and I treat them all incredibly well as I do with my entire customer list. To have such a close minded group doesn't bode well with me. I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. On Nov 1, 2015 8:16 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: Hello Sean, In June you posted an application to become an OBC-Certified dealer. Our Rules Of Conduct state: "For a dealer to be listed on the OBC Friendly Dealer section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC membercan petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. Since the requirements for becoming a Certified Dealer have not been met, the OBC Advisory Committee cannot vote on your application, and thus it will be removed from our website. If, in your dealings with OBC membe rs, you can obtain the necessary 5 recommendations, your request may be re-considered, although the request must come from an OBC member. Tom Housley<< ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:10:53 -0500 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Jimi Thayer Sean is 23 or 24 years old and far from being married. He won his money tostart his business in something like a $3 million law suit. He thinks he is king of the world, and once told me he wants to take "Mr. Mint" down andbecome the biggest name in the hobby. He's used me before, and he's very deceitful. I have had a few successful transactions with him, however, andhe his pretty knowledgable, but he lets his big head get in the way. My two cents. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:06 PM, Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > He finds it 'disgusting'? Wow. It must be hard to be him. I feel sorryfor him but mostly I feel sorry for his wife. > Mike > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2016 2:58 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball > The guy is a real piece of work. > Here's the entire message thread, beginning (at the bottom) when I sent him the e-mail saying his "application" to become a Certified Dealer" was rejected: > >>I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone acrossthe country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". > There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 bia sed reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? > Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. > I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. > I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism > Sean Bassik > Owner > Invest In Baseball > 7375 E Stetson Drive Suite 104 > Scottsdale AZ, 85251 > (623) 203 - 8138 > www.InvestInBaseball.com >> On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Tom Housley wrote: >> Sean, >> I am sorry to h ear that, and I am personally disappointed in your reaction. >> If you feel that you should be afforded OBC Certified Dealer status, then the best course of action is to contact the members(s) that buy from you to see if they would recommend you. There is no shortcut to becoming a Certified >> Tom Housley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sean Bassik >> To: Tom Housley >> Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 10:21 am >> Subject: Re: Your application to become an OBC Certified Dealer >> There is far more than 5 members that buy from me and I treat them all incredibly well as I do with my entire customer list. >> To have such a close minded group doesn't bode well with me. >> I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. >>> On Nov 1, 2015 8:16 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: >>> Hello Sean, >>> In June you posted an application to become an OBC-Certified dealer. >>> Our Rules Of Conduct state: >>> "For a dealer to be listed on the OBC Friendly Dealer section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC member can petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. >>> Since the requirements for becoming a Certified Dealer have not been met, the OBC Advisory Committee cannot vote on your application, and thus itwill be removed from our website. >>> If, in your dealings with OBC membe rs, you can obtain the necessary 5 recommendations, your request may be re-considered, although the request must come from an OBC member. >>> Regards, >>> Tom Housley<< ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:12:51 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Joshua Levine Sean is known to be an ass...you should check out Net54 to see some of his antics, especially at the last show I attended a few years back. Some people like him but he has a huge ego, limited baseball card knowledge, and is generally disliked by many dealers and customers. He does sell a bunch but Isuspect a downturn in his sales soon as I bet his repeat customer rate is rather low. There are a few people I refuse to buy from (even when they have something I want or need for a great price) and he is on that list. -----Original Message----- From: directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 6, 2016 11:57 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball The guy is a real piece of work. Here's the entire message thread, beginning (at the bottom) when I sent himthe e-mail saying his "application" to become a Certified Dealer" was rejected: >>I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not careto search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased revie ws of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influenceI am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism Sean Bassik Invest In Baseball 7375 E Stetson Drive Suite 104 Scottsdale AZ, 85251 (623) 203 - 8138 On Sun, Nov 1, 2015 at 8:31 AM, Tom Housley wrote: I am so rry to hear that, and I am personally disappointed in your reaction. If you feel that you should be afforded OBC Certified Dealer status, then the best course of action is to contact the members(s) that buy from you to see if they would recommend you. There is no shortcut to becoming a Certified Tom Housley -----Original Message----- From: Sean Bassik To: Tom Housley Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 10:21 am Subject: Re: Your application to beco me an OBC Certified Dealer There is far more than 5 members that buy from me and I treat them all incredibly well as I do with my entire customer list. To have such a close minded group doesn't bode well with me. I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. On Nov 1, 2015 8:16 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: Hello Sean, In June you posted an application to become an OBC-Certified dealer. Our Rules Of Conduct state: "For a dealer to be listed on the OBC Friendly Dealer section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC membercan petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. Since the requirements for becoming a Certified Dealer have not been met, the OBC Advisory Committee cannot vote on your application, and thus it will be removed from our website. If, in your dealings with OBC members, you can obtain the necessary 5 recommendations, your request may be re-considered, although the request must come from an OBC member. Tom Housley<< ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 20:39:57 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Aaron Shirley > I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. Oh shucks. Now I'll no longer get a special discount or treatment from a guy I'd never buy from anyway! The sky is falling! We could do without this kind of men in this hobby. Seriously though... I wonder how and when he lost his joy. Hope he gets it back Poor guy. His thoughts have been poisoned, so to speak, and that will slowly kill his business. Eventually in a market like this your reputation will steer things way more than your desire to succeed can overcome. I don't say this often, but I pity him. Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 15:46:03 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: "Thomas W. Billing" Can you say =E2=9Csour grapes=E2=9D? This guy is a piece of work andI will work diligently to NOT buy from him, knowing this. Having bought alot of cards, I cannot say whether I had or not in the past. Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. > Oh shucks. Now I'll no longer get a special discount or treatment from a guy I'd never buy from anyway! The sky is falling! We could do without thiskind of men in this hobby. > Seriously though... I wonder how and when he lost his joy. Hope he gets it back someday. > Poor guy. His thoughts have been poisoned, so to speak, and that will slowly kill his business. Eventually in a market like this your reputation will steer things way more than your desire to succeed can overcome. > I don't say this often, but I pity him. > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:15:14 -0500 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: Joel Freedman He seems to lack two critical qualities, respect and wisdom. On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:46 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Can you say =E2=9Csour grapes=E2=9D? This guy is a piece of work and I will work > diligently to NOT buy from him, knowing this. Having bought a lot of > cards, I cannot say whether I had or not in the past. > Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at > shows or otherwise. > Oh shucks. Now I'll no longer get a special discount or treatment from a > guy I'd never buy from anyway! The sky is falling! We could do without this > kind of men in this hobby. > Seriously though... I wonder how and when he lost his joy. Hope he gets it > back someday. > Poor guy. His thoughts have been poisoned, so to speak, and that will > slowly kill his business. Eventually in a market like this your reputation > will steer things way more than your desire to succeed can overcome. > I don't say this often, but I pity him. > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 16:55:56 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball From: OBC Nick P Thank you for the clarification or reminder. When I saw the name I knew itwas familiar, now I remember exactly why. It's a real shame, my watch list is now void of all of his cards. I can getover crazy prices and not offering a discount. I will not get past how OBC needs him more than he needs us. At least it is clear, my money isn't green enough for him.....or in Grants case: green, blue, Red, and twonie enough. Thank you for the reminder. Nick Pelletier > On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:15 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > He seems to lack two critical qualities, respect and wisdom. >> On Tue, Dec 6, 2016 at 3:46 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Can you say =E2=9Csour grapes=E2=9D? This guy is a piece of work and I will work diligently to NOT buy from him, knowing this. Having bought a lot of cards, I cannot say whether I had or not in the past. >> Tom Billing >>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 3:39 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> > I will no longer give special discounts or treatment to OBC members at shows or otherwise. >>> Oh shucks. Now I'll no longer get a special discount or treatment from a guy I'd never buy from anyway! The sky is falling! We could do without this kind of men in this hobby. >>> Seriously though... I wonder how and when he lost his joy. Hope he getsit back someday. >>> Poor guy. His thoughts have been poisoned, so to speak, and that will slowly kill his business. Eventually in a market like this your reputation will steer things way more than your desire to succeed can overcome. >>> I don't say this often, but I pity him. >>> Aaron Shirley ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2016 18:02:46 -0500 Subject: Philly show final From: "Matt Yudt" Well, finally put away all the cards from the Philly Show this past weekend - not as many as some previous shows, but got a few more bigger cards and stars. It was a fun show for me, but definitely lighter than usual in both dealers and patrons - and OBCers. Since the last Philly Show I was golfing in Ireland, I spent a good amount of time at the show hanging out with Joce Kaligis and looking for a few specific hits. Unfortunately couldn't snag the last two 60 Topps I need for anywhere close to what I will find on ebay with patience. (All Star cards of Mantle and Aaron in case you were wondering). I did get my OBC Secret Stan gift - and it's a goodie! I'm jealous : ) All told, got over 130 hits to my lists including over 50 topps run hits. Met up with Ken Morganti for lunch Sunday afternoon at the Tilted Kilt in King of Prussia. Been there before and was rather disappointed with the kilted ones. But the food was good. I traded Ken lunch and couple bucks for 2 of my last 13 57 topps (Kubek and Colavito RC's). Also digged through his traveling dupe boxes and snagged a few goodies - thanks Ken!. At the end of the show, Joce gave me a gift for helping and driving him - this in addition to the great deals/steals he gives me (us) all the time - a barely trimmed 33 Goudey of Joe Sewell and the series 1/3 checklist from 58 topps set (with a 1cm bite out of the lower right corner). Awesome. Got a few packages out today too. Well, the bug is certainly back - now to find ways to have fun with cards without spending a lot more - at least for the last few weeks of the year. Matt Yudt ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2016 20:57:24 -0800 Subject: Re: Invest in baseball and others From: "George Vrechek" I keep a "dealers to avoid" list and have added Invest in baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who I have had unsatisfactory dealings with: Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn't keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 00:54:27 -0600 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others From: OBC Nick P I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards,what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained?If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, veryvery bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal issues. Plop plop-just my two cents Nick Pelletier > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest inbaseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following whoI have had unsatisfactory dealings with: > Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L VintageCollectibles. > We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of themon a bad day. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 10:36:39 -0500 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others From: "Thomas W. Billing" Good idea. That way we would be wary of these characters. I can add CSACards3, toppsaholic, and joelshitshow to this list. I will not revisit why as you are all tired of me recounting the issues with them. Tom Billing > On Dec 6, 2016, at 11:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest inbaseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following whoI have had unsatisfactory dealings with: > Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L VintageCollectibles. > We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of themon a bad day. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 12:49:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 50 Megs From: Bob Corvello Does anyone else use 50 megs to keep their card lists and link them to the OBC site? I have done this for years, but recently received a notice from them indicating that I needed to change my file name in order to keep it active. It looked like just a technical upgrade, but would like to know if anyone knows if this is this is legit Bob Corvello ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 16:11:51 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Listing Thoughts From: "Thomas W. Billing" Perhaps an answer about listing problem sellers could be to list the PITA seller and which of us has an issue. Some would not like to have their dirty laundry aired out, but I would be OK with it. In some cases there would be multiple OBCers, and that is even more helpful. It is subjective so no seller could come back and sue as we are basing it on our experiences with them and are just trying to help each other avoid perplexing situations. Thoughts? Tom Billing ================= To: , Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 13:17:41 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others From: "George Vrechek" I hear you about due diligence, if this is an OBC =E2=9Cspecial.=E2=9D I just threw the concept out there, realizing it would not easily fly. ( I recall being our fraternity treasurer and putting people on what I called the Poo List if they caused me to chase them around for dues.) A better (theoretical) approach might be an OBC-type of Yelp post where youcould relate any experience and not have to check with everyone else. Youcould just share the letter from Mr. Warm and Wonderful that started this string and leave it at that. From: familytoad@comcast.net [mailto:familytoad@comcast.net] Sent: Wednesday, December 7, 2016 12:39 PM To: George Vrechek ; chris tripler ; OBC Nick P Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to standbehind it, but only on our members only page. So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, wehave 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and thumbs OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list aswell as JoelShitShow on COMC. On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards,what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained?If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, veryvery bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal issues. Plop plop-just my two cents Nick Pelletier Nachobcards@yahoo.com On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest in baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who Ihave had unsatisfactory dealings with: Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage Collectibles. We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 19:36:22 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 50s-70s Christmas Waiver Extravaganza! From: Jake Brewer So I just got moved to my new house (no worries, same mailing address, since I use the team's PO Box) and its time for some waivers! Claim one, or claim all! P.S. I'd love to move all the 70s to the same person, as I dont collect them at all. Here we go! '53T: 185, 187 '55B: 115(minor paper loss on front corner) '57T: 334 (trimmed) '58T: 106 (trimmed) '60T: 44, 275 '61T: 4, 13, 79(mk on front), 108, 123, 124, 148, 194, 195, 197, 227, 262, 267, '62T: 62(mk on front) '63T: 470 '64T: 31, 31(paper loss in front), 54, 72, 156, 198(mk on front) '66T: 2, 5, 24, 29, 45, 51, 56, 74, 84, 93, 107, 123, 141, 144 (mk on front), 154, 178, 192, 203(mk on front), 205(mk on front), 266(mk on front) '67T: 8, 9, 59, 71, 114, 136, 171, 176, 223 '68T: 8(mk on front), 12(miscut), 18, 19(stain), 28 (mk on front), 38, 62, 93, 105(paper loss front), 109(stain), 241, 243, 248, 261, 283, 292(missing1 corner), 436 '69T: 38, 38(paper loss front), 48, 53, 59, 62, 76, 84, 84, 89, 94(mk on front), 97(paper loss front), 107, 117, 132, 139, 158, 332, 386, 387(miscut),407 '69Deckle: 28 '70T: 38 (glue on back), 83x2 '71T: 23 total '72T: 86 total '73T: 83 total '76T: 21 total Claim away, Merry Christmas to you all! -Jake "The Kid" Brewer ================= To: familytoad@comcast.net, George Vrechek , Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 18:46:40 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others From: Yaz This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. There are several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are also members of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groups that wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the opening explanation of the page. Greg (yaz) On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to > stand behind it, but only on our members only page. > So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. > Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. > So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and > Harry, we have 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. > If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a > bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up > and thumbs down. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *OBC Nick P, George Vrechek > *Cc: *OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent: *December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM > *Subject: *Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others > I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" > access only. It would be member group information only (no need to > entertain liability issues). > From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to > the list as well as JoelShitShow on COMC. > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P > nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: > I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some > potential issues could be resolved. > I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good > thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his > the guy. > I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the > standards, what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is > the list maintained? If a list of his nature is available to the > public, it could be bad, very very bad. Without digging out all of > my old college information it would be walking a fine line between > information sharing and some potential legal issues. > Plop plop-just my two cents > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' > vrechek@ameritech.net > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > I keep a “dealers to avoid” list and have added Invest in > baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the > following who I have had unsatisfactory dealings with: > Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and > E&L Vintage Collectibles. > We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a > recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the > problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy > processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I > didn’t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the > guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or > two of them on a bad day. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 19:58:57 -0500 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: "Thomas W. Billing" Good idea. Tom Billing > On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. There are several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are also members of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groupsthat wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the opening explanation of the page. > Greg (yaz) > On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to stand behind it, but only on our members only page. >> So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. >> Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. >> So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry,we have 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. >> If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and thumbs >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others >> I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" accessonly. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability >> From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the listas well as JoelShitShow on COMC. >> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. >> I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing.It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. >> I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards, what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained? If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, very very bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal >> Plop plop-just my two cents >> Nick Pelletier >> Nachobcards@yahoo.com >> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: >> I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest in baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who I have had unsatisfactory dealings with: >> Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage >> We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealerswith bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was withthe guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. >> George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 20:28:06 -0500 To: billingtw@sbcglobal.net, yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: Mike Glasser I'm a business owner, as I imagine many of you are as well, and I've been subject to negative reviews online from people who don't have a real beef. However, the internet doesn't require stories to be true nor does it require both sides of the story. Oftentimes, customers who are happy to agree tomy policies become irate when those same policies become inconvenient for them and then they get mad and let the world know. The unfortunate thing about this is that there is another side to the story which never gets aired. The reason that I bring this up is to caution us from being a place that bashes dealers just because we don't like what they do. I think the negativeattention that we'll get it isn't worth the minimal gain. We also don't want dealers to avoid OBC because they don't want to risk pissing someone off. For this reason, if we do something like this I think it should be local to us and not shared with the rest of the world. I'd also suggest that we allow the dealer to answer the negative review. Maybe there were misunderstandings or maybe he really is a jerk but either way we win. I'm not a big fan of public floggings without everyone's voice being heard. From my short tenure with OBC, I've understood the tone of this group to beupbeat and positive and that makes us unique and desirable. I think that we should be very careful about introducing a negative voice. Once you postit, it cannot be erased and it will live and have legs in ways that you may not consider. My 2 cents. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: yazobc Cc: familytoad ; George Vrechek ; chris tripler ; OBC Nick P ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 7:59 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others Good idea. Tom Billing On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. Thereare several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are alsomembers of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groups that wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the openingexplanation of the page. Greg (yaz) On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to standbehind it, but only on our members only page. So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, wehave 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and thumbs OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list aswell as JoelShitShow on COMC. On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards,what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained?If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, veryvery bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal issues. Plop plop-just my two cents Nick Pelletier On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest in baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who Ihave had unsatisfactory dealings with: Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage Collectibles. We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 20:44:49 -0500 To: Mike Glasser Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: "Thomas W. Billing" Good points. I see tripadvisor reviews that are a one because the clerk didn't reply, etc. I like inviting the offender to rebut a bad rating Tom Billing Sent from my iPad On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:28 PM, "Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I'm a business owner, as I imagine many of you are as well, and I've beensubject to negative reviews online from people who don't have a real beef.However, the internet doesn't require stories to be true nor does it require both sides of the story. Oftentimes, customers who are happy to agree to my policies become irate when those same policies become inconvenient for them and then they get mad and let the world know. The unfortunate thingabout this is that there is another side to the story which never gets aired. > The reason that I bring this up is to caution us from being a place that bashes dealers just because we don't like what they do. I think the negative attention that we'll get it isn't worth the minimal gain. We also don'twant dealers to avoid OBC because they don't want to risk pissing someone off. For this reason, if we do something like this I think it should be local to us and not shared with the rest of the world. I'd also suggest thatwe allow the dealer to answer the negative review. Maybe there were misunderstandings or maybe he really is a jerk but either way we win. I'm not abig fan of public floggings without everyone's voice being heard. > From my short tenure with OBC, I've understood the tone of this group to be upbeat and positive and that makes us unique and desirable. I think thatwe should be very careful about introducing a negative voice. Once you post it, it cannot be erased and it will live and have legs in ways that you may not consider. > My 2 cents. > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: yazobc > Cc: familytoad ; George Vrechek ; chris tripler ; OBC Nick P ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 7:59 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others > Good idea. > Tom Billing > On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. There are several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are also members of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groupsthat wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the opening explanation of the page. > Greg (yaz) > On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to stand behind it, but only on our members only page. > So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. > Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. > So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, we have 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. > If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and thumbs > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others > I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability > From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list as well as JoelShitShow on COMC. > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. > I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. > I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards, what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained? If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, very very bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it wouldbe walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal > Plop plop-just my two cents > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest inbaseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following whoI have had unsatisfactory dealings with: > Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L VintageCollectibles. > We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of themon a bad day. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 20:52:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: Ed Hutchinson I guess my question is- why do we need a "database" of bad dealers. As has been mentioned, these people could be having a bad day, or whatever. The real bad dealers, we all know about, because we talk amongst ourselves. I dont need, for example, to check a directory or webpage to know that Invest in Baseball is not a great guy- because we have talked about it, and we are all happy to share our advice and experiences with other members of the I agree with Mike- why introduce a negative voice, when, by and large, this group is one of the most upbeat ones on the net. Lets not ruin that! On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:44 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Good points. I see tripadvisor reviews that are a one because the clerk > didn't reply, etc. I like inviting the offender to rebut a bad rating > Tom Billing > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:28 PM, "Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I'm a business owner, as I imagine many of you are as well, and I've been > subject to negative reviews online from people who don't have a real beef. > However, the internet doesn't require stories to be true nor does it > require both sides of the story. Oftentimes, customers who are happy to > agree to my policies become irate when those same policies become > inconvenient for them and then they get mad and let the world know. The > unfortunate thing about this is that there is another side to the story > which never gets aired. > The reason that I bring this up is to caution us from being a place that > bashes dealers just because we don't like what they do. I think the > negative attention that we'll get it isn't worth the minimal gain. We also > don't want dealers to avoid OBC because they don't want to risk pissing > someone off. For this reason, if we do something like this I think it > should be local to us and not shared with the rest of the world. I'd also > suggest that we allow the dealer to answer the negative review. Maybe > there were misunderstandings or maybe he really is a jerk but either way we > win. I'm not a big fan of public floggings without everyone's voice being > heard. > From my short tenure with OBC, I've understood the tone of this group to > be upbeat and positive and that makes us unique and desirable. I think that > we should be very careful about introducing a negative voice. Once you > post it, it cannot be erased and it will live and have legs in ways that > you may not consider. > My 2 cents. > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: yazobc > Cc: familytoad ; George Vrechek < > vrechek@ameritech.net>; chris tripler ; OBC Nick P < > nachobcards@yahoo.com>; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 7:59 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others > Good idea. > Tom Billing > On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am > certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. > There are several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are > also members of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different > in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. > They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the > groups that wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both > good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy > dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of > dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more > traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers > would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it > if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names > listed in the opening explanation of the page. > Greg (yaz) > On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to > stand behind it, but only on our members only page. > So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. > Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. > So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, > we have 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. > If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad > day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and > thumbs down. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *OBC Nick P, George Vrechek > *Cc: *OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent: *December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM > *Subject: *Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others > I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access > only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain > liability issues). > From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list > as well as JoelShitShow on COMC. > On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: > I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential > issues could be resolved. > I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. > It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. > I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the > standards, what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list > maintained? If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could > be bad, very very bad. Without digging out all of my old college > information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and > some potential legal issues. > Plop plop-just my two cents > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com > On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest inbaseball to top > of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who I have had > unsatisfactory dealings with: > Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage > Collectibles. > We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended > list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers > with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. > Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problemwas > the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them > on a bad day. > George Vrechek ================= Date: 07 Dec 2016 18:08:23 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 50 Megs From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 22:20:37 -0500 To: Jake Brewer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 50s-70s Christmas Waiver Extravaganza! From: Jake Brewer The '50s and '70s are gone. So is '64T. #44 in '60T, and #266 in '66T are also All other '60s are still available! -The Kid Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:36 PM, Jake Brewer thepointguard@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So I just got moved to my new house (no worries, same mailing address, since I use the team's PO Box) and its time for some waivers! > Claim one, or claim all! P.S. I'd love to move all the 70s to the same person, as I dont collect them at all. > Here we go! > '53T: 185, 187 > '55B: 115(minor paper loss on front corner) > '57T: 334 (trimmed) > '58T: 106 (trimmed) > '60T: 44, 275 > '61T: 4, 13, 79(mk on front), 108, 123, 124, 148, 194, 195, 197, 227, 262, 267, 323 > '62T: 62(mk on front) > '63T: 470 > '64T: 31, 31(paper loss in front), 54, 72, 156, 198(mk on front) > '66T: 2, 5, 24, 29, 45, 51, 56, 74, 84, 93, 107, 123, 141, 144 (mk on front), 154, 178, 192, 203(mk on front), 205(mk on front), 266(mk on front) > '67T: 8, 9, 59, 71, 114, 136, 171, 176, 223 > '68T: 8(mk on front), 12(miscut), 18, 19(stain), 28 (mk on front), 38, 62, 93, 105(paper loss front), 109(stain), 241, 243, 248, 261, 283, 292(missing 1 corner), 436 > '69T: 38, 38(paper loss front), 48, 53, 59, 62, 76, 84, 84, 89, 94(mk on front), 97(paper loss front), 107, 117, 132, 139, 158, 332, 386, 387(miscut), > '69Deckle: 28 > '70T: 38 (glue on back), 83x2 > '71T: 23 total > '72T: 86 total > '73T: 83 total > '76T: 21 total > Claim away, Merry Christmas to you all! > -Jake "The Kid" Brewer ================= Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2016 22:43:29 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Never mind. I will never finish this set. From: Ken M Hi gang,  The other day I sent out an email about the Philly show and how I had pried one of the last two 1971 Kellogg's variations on my list out of a complete set. Over that weekend, I had brought my laptop with me to take advantage of the free wifi in my room (instead of relying on my not so smart phone). My laptop has a copy of the old AOL desktop program, so I signed on to check my email. It says I have a few unread emails, although my phone says I have none. I discover those unread emails are from over a year ago. None are of any significance except one: an email from another collector I've exchanged emails with in the past (Mike Cady). In it, he details some other variations from the set that I may not be familiar with. I don't have my SCD handy, so I forward the email to myself...  I just finished going through my set and found one of the eight he listed in his email, then I went on COMC to look for some of the others and things took a turn for the worse. I discover ed (and bought) variations for THREE MORE cards that weren't listed in my SCD or in the aforementioned email. If anyone has a current SCD (since mine is from 2005), could you take a minute to look up 1971 Kellogg's and see if there's stat variations for the following numbers: 2* 23 25 29 31* 34 37 42 45* 48* 49 (*The four with an asterisk I confirmed today and weren't listed in my SCD). Thanks for your help. I'm going to relieve some stress by stomping on some boxes of Rice Krispies now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 23:30:54 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Never mind. I will never finish this set. From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en 1971 Kelloggs- the ones Ken mentioned (there's a LOT more) 2* _23 25 29 31_ (tel:23 25 29 31) * _34 37 42 45_ (tel:34 37 42 45) * 48* 49: 2a- Seaver IP 1092 2b- Seaver IP 1093 (I need this one) 23a- Morton SO 167 23b- Morton SO 170 25a- Merritt BB 250 25b- Merritt BB 249 29a- Cain SO 166 29b- Cain SO 169 31a- Sutton SO 957 31b- Sutton SO 958 34a- Epstein Runs 200 34b- Epstein Runs 201 37a- McDowell 1966 37b- McDowell 1967 42a- Dietz RBI 200 42b- Dietz RBI 199 45a- May Hits 272 45b- May Hits 273 48a- Dierker SO 875 48b- Dierker SO 874 49a- Cuellar SO 987 49b- Cuellar SO 990 The question I have is this-- Do each of THESE cards some with the date/no date in the copyright variations? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/7/2016 10:43:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi gang, The other day I sent out an email about the Philly show and how I had pried one of the last two 1971 Kellogg's variations on my list out of a complete set. Over that weekend, I had brought my laptop with me to take advantage of the free wifi in my room (instead of relying on my not so smart phone). My laptop has a copy of the old AOL desktop program, so I signed on to check my email. It says I have a few unread emails, although my phone saysI have none. I discover those unread emails are from over a year ago. None are of any significance except one: an email from another collector I've exchanged emails with in the past (Mike Cady). In it, he details some other variations from the set that I may not be familiar with. I don't have my SCD handy, so I forward the email to my self... I just finished going through my set and found one of the eight he listed in his email, then I went on COMC to look for some of the others and things took a turn for the worse. I discovered (and bought) variations for THREE MORE cards that weren't listed in my SCD or in the aforementioned email. If anyone has a current SCD (since mine is from 2005), could you take a minute to look up 1971 Kellogg's and see if there's stat variations for the following numbers: 2* _23 25 29 31_ (tel:23 25 29 31) * _34 37 42 45_ (tel:34 42 45) * 48* 49 (*The four with an asterisk I confirmed today and weren't listed in my SCD). Thanks for your help. I'm going to relieve some stress by stomping on some boxes of Rice Krispies now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2016 23:46:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Christmas in December! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Oh wait... that's when it's supposed to be... never mind! Thanks in order from James Craig with a nice Russ Nixon from 1962.. oh yeah, its a HIGH number! These are getting harder and harder to come by! Ken Morganti adds to the Buddy Harrelson collection with a really nicely hand cut Milk Dud. The next card wasn't a dud, it is a 66 Venezuelan Gordon Thanks loads, these really picked up a long, long day! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 If you don't succeed at first, try pitching. =E2=94 Jack Harshman ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 01:36:59 -0500 To: Ed Hutchinson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: ShoelessWes I sort of agree with Hutchinson and Glasser here. And we all have to remember, Sean Bassik was a 20 year old kid that apparently was cut a check for some million dollars or whatever in a settlement i guess. Dunno much about it. I only saw him once. Wondered how a kid could rake in such a hefty multimillion dollar business, well, there are only so many ways, and i guess a million dollar lawsuit is one of them. Anyhow, we, including myself, have forgotten this geek turned out to be a real ass. A real one of a kind. The only one of his kind. No one else is like him. No one else 'likes' him either. But guess what? He probably doesnt even care. Because how many 23 year old millionaires care about anything? My point exactly. Probably none. I've cut card deals with dealers, who quite frankly i thought were assholes, but the deal was good. We dont have to be friends with every single person we buy cards from. Sometimes people are just different. Or introverts, or upset... Sometimes those dealers have their life into their business, and when the card market doesnt favor them, well, it doesnt feel good. ... Another point, I see an older dealer all the time in Ohio. His deals suck. He wont trade, he wont buy, and he charges toomuch. But damn, he's a wonderful man to be around, but people cant buy cards from him. And he knows it! His name is Joe, and I've been in conversation with he and his lovely wife before, put the conversation on hold, laughing together, turn to his competitor, cut a card deal, and look back at Joe and continue to converse about whatever. And he's still smiling, not giving a shit about me not buying his cards. I think he's just there to get out ofthe house or something. His inventory is impressive. He, despite being a shitty card dealer, is definitely the protagonist of any midwest card show. Sean Bassik plays the villain. A role he probably likes. I dont think anyone compares to him. We have the certified dealer list. There are many that should be on it, but aren't for various reasons. Mark Smith wasn't on it foryears, which blew my mind. But, until a certain point, nobody put in for him! I think it's simple. Hunt down your certified OBC dealers. Use them first. If you exhaust them first, well, ask them for recommendations on who to seeabout what it is you're looking for. That's how they network too. As far as online dealers, well, perhaps we should keep a thread about shillbidders and other borderline criminally minded businesses. Wes Shepard > On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I guess my question is- why do we need a "database" of bad dealers. As has been mentioned, these people could be having a bad day, or whatever. The real bad dealers, we all know about, because we talk amongst ourselves. I dont need, for example, to check a directory or webpage to know that Invest in Baseball is not a great guy- because we have talked about it, and we areall happy to share our advice and experiences with other members of the group. > I agree with Mike- why introduce a negative voice, when, by and large, this group is one of the most upbeat ones on the net. Lets not ruin that! > Ed >> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:44 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Good points. I see tripadvisor reviews that are a one because the clerk didn't reply, etc. I like inviting the offender to rebut a bad rating >> Tom Billing >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:28 PM, "Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >>> I'm a business owner, as I imagine many of you are as well, and I've been subject to negative reviews online from people who don't have a real beef. However, the internet doesn't require stories to be true nor does it require both sides of the story. Oftentimes, customers who are happy to agree to my policies become irate when those same policies become inconvenient for them and then they get mad and let the world know. The unfortunate thing about this is that there is another side to the story which never gets aired. >>> The reason that I bring this up is to caution us from being a place that bashes dealers just because we don't like what they do. I think the negative attention that we'll get it isn't worth the minimal gain. We also don't want dealers to avoid OBC because they don't want to risk pissing someone off. For this reason, if we do something like this I think it should be local to us and not shared with the rest of the world. I'd also suggest that we allow the dealer to answer the negative review. Maybe there were misunderstandings or maybe he really is a jerk but either way we win. I'm nota big fan of public floggings without everyone's voice being heard. >>> From my short tenure with OBC, I've understood the tone of this group to be upbeat and positive and that makes us unique and desirable. I think that we should be very careful about introducing a negative voice. Once you post it, it cannot be erased and it will live and have legs in ways that you may not consider. >>> My 2 cents. >>> Mike Glasser >>> Owner >>> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >>> 14630 York Road >>> Sparks, MD 21152 >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>> To: yazobc >>> Cc: familytoad ; George Vrechek ; chris tripler ; OBC Nick P ; OBC-Ramblings >>> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 7:59 pm >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others >>> Good idea. >>> Tom Billing >>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. There are several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members are also members of some other groups as you know. The groups are all differentin their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common.They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groups that wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as peoplein the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank was high. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the opening explanation of the page. >>> Greg (yaz) >>> On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to stand behind it, but only on our members only page. >>> So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. >>> Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. >>> So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, we have 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. >>> If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of a bad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up and thumbs >>> OBC Forever, >>> Brian >>> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >>> ------ Original Message ------ >>> From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek >>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>> Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM >>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others >>> I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability >>> From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list as well as JoelShitShow on COMC. >>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >>> I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. >>> I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. >>> I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards, what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained? If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad, very very bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal >>> Plop plop-just my two cents >>> Nick Pelletier >>> Nachobcards@yahoo.com >>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Invest in baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who I have had unsatisfactory dealings with: >>> Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage >>> We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommendedlist to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. >>> George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 06:02:54 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others From: chris tripler Here, here, Wes. The local card shop owner around here is very much someone who is grumbly, sticky and might make many a folks poo list. The first time I met him, I thought I'd never go back. But his half off box is amazing because a) he is astickler for condition, and 2) he's the only game in town so he gets a huge volume of product and he gets it cheap. So, $4.50 a high number '52 can happen! In another instance, recently, I got into a conversation with Charley O'Neill from Albany (NY) at the Wilmington show and he loved the OBC concept and totally was willing to cut deals for "our" kind of cards. There are probably way more Charley's out there to be discovered and deserve our "bandwidth" and $ then grumbling over a bunch of card thugs. Talking about particular dealers and bad interaction on "Ramblings" both good and bad lets the group act like the institutional memory. So, we'll always know, the "Search" feature on the yahoo server is delightful! Just my two cents. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 1:36 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I sort of agree with Hutchinson and Glasser here. And we all have to remember, Sean Bassik was a 20 year old kid that apparently was cut a check forsome million dollars or whatever in a settlement i guess. Dunno much aboutit. I only saw him once. Wondered how a kid could rake in such a hefty multi million dollar business, well, there are only so many ways, and i guess a million dollar lawsuit is one of them. Anyhow, we, including myself, haveforgotten this geek turned out to be a real ass. A real one of a kind. Theonly one of his kind. No one else is like him. No one else 'likes' him either. But guess what? He probably doesnt even care. Because how many 23 yearold millionaires care about anything? > My point exactly. Probably none. I've cut card deals with dealers, who quite frankly i thought were assholes, but the deal was good. We dont have tobe friends with every single person we buy cards from. Sometimes people are just different. Or introverts, or upset... Sometimes those dealers have their life into their business, and when the card market doesnt favor them, well, it doesnt feel good. ... Another point, I see an older dealer all thetime in Ohio. His deals suck. He wont trade, he wont buy, and he charges too much. But damn, he's a wonderful man to be around, but people cant buy cards from him. And he knows it! His name is Joe, and I've been in conversation with he and his lovely wife before, put the conversation on hold, laughing together, turn to his competitor, cut a card deal, and look back at Joeand continue to converse about whatever. And he's still smiling, not giving a shit about me not buying his cards. I think he's just there to get out of the house or something. His inventory is impressive. He, despite being ashitty card dealer, is definitely the protagonist of any midwest card show. > Sean Bassik plays the villain. A role he probably likes. I dont think anyone compares to him. We have the certified dealer list. There are many thatshould be on it, but aren't for various reasons. Mark Smith wasn't on it for years, which blew my mind. But, until a certain point, nobody put in forhim! > I think it's simple. Hunt down your certified OBC dealers. Use them first. If you exhaust them first, well, ask them for recommendations on who to see about what it is you're looking for. That's how they network too. > As far as online dealers, well, perhaps we should keep a thread about shill bidders and other borderline criminally minded businesses. > Wes Shepard >> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:52 PM, Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I guess my question is- why do we need a "database" of bad dealers. As has been mentioned, these people could be having a bad day, or whatever. Thereal bad dealers, we all know about, because we talk amongst ourselves. I dont need, for example, to check a directory or webpage to know that Investin Baseball is not a great guy- because we have talked about it, and we are all happy to share our advice and experiences with other members of the group. >> I agree with Mike- why introduce a negative voice, when, by and large, this group is one of the most upbeat ones on the net. Lets not ruin that! >> Ed >>> On Wed, Dec 7, 2016 at 8:44 PM, 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Good points. I see tripadvisor reviews that are a one because the clerkdidn't reply, etc. I like inviting the offender to rebut a bad rating >>> Tom Billing >>> Sent from my iPad >>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 8:28 PM, "Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >>>> I'm a business owner, as I imagine many of you are as well, and I've been subject to negative reviews online from people who don't have a real beef. However, the internet doesn't require stories to be true nor does it require both sides of the story. Oftentimes, customers who are happy to agree to my policies become irate when those same policies become inconvenientfor them and then they get mad and let the world know. The unfortunate thing about this is that there is another side to the story which never gets aired. >>>> The reason that I bring this up is to caution us from being a place that bashes dealers just because we don't like what they do. I think the negative attention that we'll get it isn't worth the minimal gain. We also don't want dealers to avoid OBC because they don't want to risk pissing someone off. For this reason, if we do something like this I think it should belocal to us and not shared with the rest of the world. I'd also suggest that we allow the dealer to answer the negative review. Maybe there were misunderstandings or maybe he really is a jerk but either way we win. I'm not a big fan of public floggings without everyone's voice being heard. >>>> From my short tenure with OBC, I've understood the tone of this group to be upbeat and positive and that makes us unique and desirable. I think that we should be very careful about introducing a negative voice. Once youpost it, it cannot be erased and it will live and have legs in ways that you may not consider. >>>> My 2 cents. >>>> Mike Glasser >>>> Owner >>>> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >>>> 14630 York Road >>>> Sparks, MD 21152 >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: 'Thomas W. Billing' billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> To: yazobc >>>> Cc: familytoad ; George Vrechek ; chris tripler ; OBC Nick P ; OBC-Ramblings >>>> Sent: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 7:59 pm >>>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Invest in baseball and others >>>> Good idea. >>>> Tom Billing >>>> On Dec 7, 2016, at 7:46 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> This just occurred to me and it's fruition is probably unlikely and I am certainly not a person who could make it happen but here is my thought. There are several card collecting groups out there. Many of our members arealso members of some other groups as you know. The groups are all different in their approach to collecting but all have at least one thing in common. They all buy cards from dealers. If there was a site in which all the groups that wanted to participate could rate and or review dealers both good and bad it would be a help to all and may put pressure on crappy dealers. Many groups with links on their page would lessen the chance of dealers just blowing off one group. The link would certainly catch more traffic as people in the card collecting world hear about it and dealers would be most interested in how they were ranked, maybe even advertising it if their rank washigh. All the groups participating would have their names listed in the opening explanation of the page. >>>> Greg (yaz) >>>> On 12/7/2016 2:39 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> I suggest that those who propose to place a dealer on the Poo List to stand behind it, but only on our members only page. >>>> So not just a list of the suspect sellers, but who is nominating them. >>>> Multiple nominations would mean more to me, as that shows a pattern. >>>> So if Tom has bad experiences with Dealer X, and so does Dick and Harry, we have 3 viewpoints to make our own educated decisions on. >>>> If just one OBCer has had a bad experience, it could be a result of abad day, not a bad career of selling. I would encourage both thumbs up andthumbs >>>> OBC Forever, >>>> Brian >>>> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >>>> ------ Original Message ------ >>>> From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>>> To: OBC Nick P, George Vrechek >>>> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>> Sent: December 7, 2016 at 2:15 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Invest in baseball and others >>>> I think it should be similar to the mailing directory, "sign-in" access only. It would be member group information only (no need to entertain liability >>>> From previous threads, we'll have to add Toppsaholic on Ebay to the list as well as JoelShitShow on COMC. >>>> On Wednesday, December 7, 2016 1:54 AM, "OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >>>> I would be all in favor of a "poo"!list like this. If some potential issues could be resolved. >>>> I think having a resource for sellers we've had issues is a good thing. It would have prevented my earlier message about is his the guy. >>>> I do see a couple issues for having this type of list......the standards, what gets a seller put on the list? How and where is the list maintained? If a list of his nature is available to the public, it could be bad,very very bad. Without digging out all of my old college information it would be walking a fine line between information sharing and some potential legal >>>> Plop plop-just my two cents >>>> Nick Pelletier >>>> Nachobcards@yahoo.com >>>> On Dec 6, 2016, at 10:57 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>>> I keep a =E2=9Cdealers to avoid=E2=9D list and have added Investin baseball to top of the list (what a jerk) which includes the following who I have had unsatisfactory dealings with: >>>> Duke of Mint, studboy, hbdunn, birthdaybuddy, birddogltp, and E&L Vintage >>>> We should probably have a not-recommended list as well as a recommended list to help share the experiences. Most of the problems I had were dealers with bad attitudes, sloppy processing or those selling fake stuff. Unfortunately, I didn=E2=99t keep a record of exactly what the problem was with the guys on my poo list. It is conceivable I just caught one or two of them on a bad day. >>>> George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 06:35:06 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Never mind. I will never finish this set. From: Ken M Forgot to add to this in my reply (that I sent to Sal). As far as I can tell,** the STAT variations only appear on the cards WITH the 1970 in the copyright. Some of the variations (CA crest logos, Osteen #nno) are only found on the dateless copyright versions. The good news is that I don't think there are more than three versions of any one card. This might indicate three distinct press runs. The bad news is almost every card in the set has three versions (and ALL of them have at least two). That puts your 75 card base set into the 200 range for a master set. I have about 190 of them and (as I have just discovered,) I've still got a ways to go. :::sigh::: Time to update the list again. TAYL, Ken M**your results may also vary Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Dec 7, 2016 11:31 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Never mind. I will never finish this set. 1971 Kelloggs- the ones Ken mentioned (there's a LOT more) 2* 23 25 29 31* 34 37 42 45* 48* 49: 2a- Seaver IP 1092 2b- Seaver IP 1093 (I need this one) 23a- Morton SO 16723b- Morton SO 170 25a- Merritt BB 25025b- Merritt BB 249 29a- Cain SO 16629b- Cain SO 169 31a- Sutton SO 95731b- Sutton SO 958 34a- Epstein Runs 20034b- Epstein Runs 201 37a- McDowell 196637b- McDowell 1967 42a- Dietz RBI 20042b- Dietz RBI 199 45a- May Hits 27245b- May Hits 273 48a- Dierker SO 87548b- Dierker SO 874 49a- Cuellar SO 98749b- Cuellar SO 990 The question I have is this-- Do each of THESE cards some with the date/no date in the copyright variations?   Sal Domino OBC - 1992  In a message dated 12/7/2016 10:43:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes:  Hi gang,   The other day I sent out an email about the Philly show and how I had pried one of the last two 1971 Kellogg's variations on my list out of a complete set. Over that weekend, I had brought my laptop with me to take advantage of the free wifi in my room (instead of relying on my not so smart phone). My laptop has a copy of the old AOL desktop program, so I signed on to check my email. It says I have a few unread emails, although my phone says I have none. I discover those unread emails are from over a year ago. None are of any significance except one: an email from another collector I've exchanged emails with in the past (Mike Cady). In it, he details some other variations from the set that I may not be familiar with. I don't have my SCD handy, so I forward the email to my self...   I just finished going t hrough my set and found one of the eight he listed in his email, then I went on COMC to look for some of the others and things took a turn for the worse. I discovered (and bought) variations for THREE MORE cards that weren't listed in my SCD or in the aforementioned email. If anyone has a current SCD (since mine is from 2005), could you take a minute to look up 1971 Kellogg's and see if there's stat variations for the following numbers: 2* 23 25 29 31* 34 37 42 45* 48* 49 (*The four with an asterisk I confirmed today and weren't listed in my SCD). Thanks for your help. I'm going to relieve some stress by stomping on some boxes of Rice Krispies now. TAYL, Ken M br> Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 09:25:24 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: This has our name on it From: Ken M Hi all,   I was doing a search for 1971 Kellogg's on eBay and ran across one of those "related search results". It was a lot of 1971 Milk Duds offered by Chandy. He put OBC in the listing title... so I did a search for OBC lots and this popped up... http://www.ebay.com/itm/291963697461 The shipping is $15 out of Tampa, but it's 800 cards at a quarter per card - and there's some decent stuff in the lot. I'd get it as an "instant dupes box", but I've already spent my allowance last weekend. Thought someone who's still making progress on their 50's and 60's sets should give it a look though. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 09:56:59 -0600 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This has our name on it From: Doug DeJong Definitely has our name on it! I have it on my watch list and will be ready to bid if it stays cheap. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 8:25 AM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi all, > I was doing a search for 1971 Kellogg's on eBay and ran across one of those "related search results". It was a lot of 1971 Milk Duds offered by Chandy. He put OBC in the listing title... so I did a search for OBC lots and this popped up... http://www.ebay.com/itm/291963697461 The shipping is $15 out of Tampa, but it's 800 cards at a quarter per card - and there's somedecent stuff in the lot. I'd get it as an "instant dupes box", but I've already spent my allowance last weekend. Thought someone who's still making progress on their 50's and 60's sets should give it a look though. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2016 11:14:26 -0500 To: Doug DeJong , Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This has our name on it From: JDahms ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 10:50:58 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Can I Switch to inactive? From: Brandon Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actually quite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire as often as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, or if I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyedthe friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize for not being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting me be a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards! Brandon wax Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 11:54:17 -0500 To: Brandon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: Yahoo I vote you stay active due too your situation. Don't worry about return fire, it will come in time. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 11:50, Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actuallyquite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire asoften as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, orif I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyed the friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, > Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! > Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize fornot being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting mebe a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards! > Brandon wax > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:16:08 -0500 To: bwax15@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: Mike Glasser I hope you stay. The more lists I have to hit the better. It all works out in the end so no worries about return fire. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2016 11:51 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actually quite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire as often as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, or if I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyedthe friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize for not being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting me be a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards! Brandon wax Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'Mike Glasser'" , Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 12:39:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: "Bob Donaldson" Same here! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2016 12:16 PM To: bwax15@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? I hope you stay. The more lists I have to hit the better. It all works out in the end so no worries about return fire. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thu, Dec 8, 2016 11:51 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actually quite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire as often as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, or if I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyedthe friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (goingon 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping tobe in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize for not being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting me be a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards! Brandon wax Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:03:08 -0500 To: Brandon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: ShoelessWes I'm sorry for your extreme hardship right now. You are not a burden to the group. Return fire is not necessary. Everyone gets busy with life, and cardtime can shrink quickly. Especially when your house is under water.... I hope you please stay. And same goes for anyone else is going through something, or have less time for your hobbies. OBC always leaves the light on for you, but you don't have to turn in your keys. That's the OBC benefit. Brandon, I hope you stay, and now I feel like destroying your lists! Wes Shepard > On Dec 8, 2016, at 11:50 AM, Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actuallyquite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire asoften as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, orif I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyed the friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, > Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! > Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize fornot being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting mebe a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards! > Brandon wax > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 13:47:27 -0500 To: OBC-DealerScum Subject: 53 Bowman Stan Musial for $40 From: Rob Bessette pretty darn nice too=E2=A6 If I didn=E2=99t already have one, I=E2=99d be all over this. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Gonfalon-Bubble-1953-Bowman-Color-Baseball-Stan-Musial-32-/222326287122?hashitem33c3adeb12:g:fLEAAOSwux5YOM-f ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 15:37:21 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Address Change From: smartalecx@aol.com Please see the change in my mailing address. Would whoever is responsible for updating the various mailing lists please make this change? Thanks, and happy holidays! Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 17:48:48 -0600 Subject: Little ramble Note: It's not little and it's kinda dumb. I'm posting From: Yaz Well I hope it's little. Way back when I got my first computer, an old Kaypro with a CP/M operating system, (pre DOS/Windows, youngsters), I used a dbase II program to make me a database where I input all my baseball cards with relevant information. (Set, year, player, number, special stuff about the card, grade and some other info. I converted the dbase II database to a MS Works database in the 90's and again in 2000. It's basically remained the same since the beginning and I still religiously input every card I get. Well, I still have thousands of those 80's cards I've never got around to grading and entering. That's not much fun. Anyway, being bored the other rainy day, I thought I would take one of my competed sets and record the percentages of each grade of cards in the set. That would give an overall grade of the set and in case I kick the bucket, my heirs would be better prepared if it would come to selling. (yeah, morbid, I know). But it was kinda fun. I chose the 1965 Topps set. Pretty quickly the set was done but there are three separate groups of cards that are differently priced, (think high numbers, semi highs, etc.), so I did separate reports for those. Then I listed a dozen or so of the higher priced cards and their grades. I use my latest edition SCD, 9th edition, year 2000, current enough, right? Wrote it all out on a sheet of paper and placed it in the binder with the cards. The '65 set set came out as 8.05 which in my system is VG-EX. Kind of a surprise to me, I thought it would be lower. This was cool so I started another completed set, the 1960 Topps set. Same deal but this set had variations, white back, gray back, you all know.... Shoot, this ramble is getting long and I see no way of stopping it. Well I did separate reports for the variations and when I had both cards I added the best graded card to the complete set report. Hang in there, there is a point coming up. Now, I decided, since I had the information right in front of me, to add the missing variations to my want list. I went back to the '65 set and added the 2 variations in that set to my want list also, finished the 1960 report and put it into the binder. Well I've got a set from the 50's, the '54 Bowman that I have completed too. I completed it years ago. During my scouring the database info I had while getting data on the many variations here, I began to get lost. Things weren't coming out right. Cards were not in the data base. They were in the binder but not graded apparently. I spent a lot of time looking for the missing cards and finally found them. They were listed as 1954 Topps cards. I found every one of them and in some cases there was another card with the same number that actually was a Topps card. But in 13 cases with the Bowman card removed, there was no Topps card. I have on occasion coordinated my want lists with my data base when things have got scrambled and so now I had to add 13 cards to my 1954 Topps want list. Kinda sucks. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2016 18:25:40 -0600 To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: OBC Nick P I'll second Brian's vote! Return fire isn't necessary. Cardboard heals. Nick Pelletier > On Dec 8, 2016, at 4:10 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > And I vote that we all send even more...Brandon was dealt a bad hand withthat > OBC heals through cardboard! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Yahoo bucknutt2008@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: Brandon > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: December 8, 2016 at 8:56 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? > I vote you stay active due too your situation. Don't worry about return fire, it will come in time. > Jerry Barnes > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 8, 2016, at 11:50, Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actuallyquite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire asoften as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, orif I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyed the friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, > Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! > Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize fornot being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting mebe a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards! > Brandon wax > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: OBC Nick P Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2016 00:30:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2016 20:57:06 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? From: Ken M Brandon,  The beauty of the group is that everyone participates at their own level. There's no quota on number of envelopes to mail, emails to type up or a time limit on when to send out a thank you note (which is a great thing in my case). Having said that, I have to say that I took a year off from the group myself for the same reason. In hindsight, it may not have been a good decision. It had already been quite a while since I sent anything out and my wantlist at the time was nearly impossible to hit. I'd still pop online to check out emails once in a while when I had time, so there really wasn't much of a difference except for my official status. I'd say stay active and one of us might just make your day... and then, when life stops getting in the way and you can get back into the swing of things, you can pay it forward. I hope the road ahead for you is fast and smooth. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Brandon bwax15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Thu, Dec 8, 2016 11:51 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actually quite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire as often as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, or if I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyed the friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, lol. Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize for not being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting me be a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards!Brandon waxSent from my iPhone------------------------------------Posted by: Brandon ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are ava ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 11:11:58 -0500 Subject: Re: Can I Switch to inactive? From: "Greg Henthorn" Brandon and all, I'm not surprised that it is the unanimous opinion of the group that we need Brandon to stay as an "active" member. This group is not based on the idea of "what have you done for me lately". Quite the opposite. While, on the one hand, there is an element of our unanimous response that says, "don't worry, we will send you cards now, and over a 10-year period, it will all even out in the long run." But there is an even stronger unanimous essence of "don't worry, we'll send out cards, and if it never evens out, who cares." We all learned as kids things like "kindness is its own reward." It's true. In fact, if anything, what seems harder for most of us is not to GIVE, but to RECEIVE. Myself included. I have been working to learn how to be thankful (without guilt) to receive help from others, even when I cannot pay back what I received. Of course, I am referring to this in the concept of OBC, but it applies broadly in my life. I've benefited from acts of kindness from others that is impossible to repay. If this group can help add some "escape" from life's stress, then it will be worth more than the time we have all invested. If the benefits are spread unevenly from time to time, or over the long run, that's great also, because that's how we make the world a little better. [Sorry for the hyperbole!] - Greg Henthorn ---In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, wrote : The beauty of the group is that everyone participates at their own level. There's no quota on number of envelopes to mail, emails to type up or a time limit on when to send out a thank you note (which is a great thing in my case). Having said that, I have to say that I took a year off from the group myself for the same reason. In hindsight, it may not have been a good decision. It had already been quite a while since I sent anything out and my wantlist at the time was nearly impossible to hit. I'd still pop online to check out emails once in a while when I had time, so there really wasn't much of a difference except for my official status. I'd say stay active and one of us might just make your day... and then, when life stops getting in the way and you can get back into the swing of things, you can pay it forward. I hope t he road ahead for you is fast and smooth. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: Brandon bwax15@... [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Dec 8, 2016 11:51 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Can I Switch to inactive? Hey guys, was wondering if it'd be ok for me to switch to inactive status? I love Obc and the concept, certainly don't have any complaints, actually quite the opposite- haven't had the time to be active and won't be any time soon, but I feel bad receiving cards without being able to return fire as often as I'd like. So kinda feel like I'm taking advantage of everyone's generosity. If inactive status for a while is ok then Id like to do that, or if I should drop out totally I will understand that too. Have really enjoyed the friendships and exchange of card info and jokes, even more than the cards, lol. Also an update on my situation- still out of my house from the flood (going on 4 months now!), making a little progress getting floors put back in today. Actually got a fema trailer delivered yesterday, but have to wait on all the utilities, etc. not sure if it does any good this late, I'm hoping to be in my house by years end. But even then will have a lot of stuff to replace and start over. Cabinets and stuff will come much later but just getting out of the in-laws house and back under my own roof will be great, So things are looking up! Hope everyone is doing well and has a merry Christmas. I do apologize for not being as active as Id like to with Obc. Thanks everyone for letting me be a part of Obc, for the thoughts and prayers, and especially the cards!Brandon waxSent from my iPhone------------------------------------Posted by: Brandon ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at th e end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at ================= Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 17:27:02 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: inactive? From: mark holland With all of the buzz about going inactive, I have to think about how this relates to my situation. Although mine is for a much better reason than Brandon. As previously mentioned I am working on a one year contract 14 hours from home. I hope to fly home once a month just to introduce myself to my wife and family. But the thought of going inactive in OBC isn't too appealing. My extended OBC family keeps me occupied in my down time. I like reading the rambles and keeping up with the topics ofthe day... good dealers vs. bad dealers, who got good deals at the shows, and whatever Taylor finds at an estate sale. So what I have done is put a little blurb on my want list cover page explaining that I am away from home and probably will be late on thank yous and return fire. But just because Iam not able to send out cards as ofter doesn't mean that I want to be lessa part of the group. I still get excited when my wife tells me that I got some OBC cards, I believe I have a Trip package and something from Shawn. My wife looked at one and said it was black cards with a green back. Sounds like some 71s, so I said "who sent them so I can say thanks". She said that she wasn't sure so I told her to just leave them unopened on the desk until I get home for the holidays. I will definitely bethanking you when I get home as I need a good reason to "play" with my cards again. I am going through a 6 week withdrawal here. So my advise to anyone is a similar situation, don't go inactive, just adjust your level and style of participation.Mark Holland ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:13:09 -0800 Subject: Re: Can I Switch to inactive? From: "George Vrechek" All encouraging comments to disguise the fact that OBC is a cult and the only way to drop out, to avoid cardboard being sent to you and your heirs, successors and assigns, is to complete every imaginable set, variation, printing difference, and miscut - all in Tipton mint. Then we will leave you in peace. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "George Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 18:16:34 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? From: richard dingman ... and even then you will be hounded to start second sets, non-sport, and ... pardon the word ... upgrades! Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 1:13 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? All encouraging comments to disguise the fact that OBC is a cult and the only way to drop out, to avoid cardboard being sent to you and your heirs, successors and assigns, is to complete every imaginable set, variation, printing difference, and miscut - all in Tipton mint. Then we will leave you in peace. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 13:17:44 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I think we all drink the Yoo-Hoo (no, Yogi didn't do commercials for Kook-aid!)... Tastes pretty damn good too! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/10/2016 1:13:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: All encouraging comments to disguise the fact that OBC is a cult and the only way to drop out, to avoid cardboard being sent to you and your heirs, successors and assigns, is to complete every imaginable set, variation, printing difference, and miscut =E2=93 all in Tipton mint. Then we will leave you in George Vrechek ================= To: "'richard dingman'" , Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 10:28:29 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? From: "George Vrechek" True, but Tipton mint is really by definition unimprovable. I included non-sport in my thinking about every imaginable set. But I didn't think of second sets and we have two daughters. Maybe I need a whole new list. George Vrechek From: richard dingman [mailto:brightair@msn.com] Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 10:17 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? ... and even then you will be hounded to start second sets, non-sport, and ... pardon the word ... upgrades! Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 1:13 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? All encouraging comments to disguise the fact that OBC is a cult and the only way to drop out, to avoid cardboard being sent to you and your heirs, successors and assigns, is to complete every imaginable set, variation, printing difference, and miscut - all in Tipton mint. Then we will leave you in peace. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2016 16:06:25 -0500 To: mark holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive? From: ShoelessWes Perfectly put Mark. Hope you have facetime or skype or something Wes Shepard > On Dec 10, 2016, at 12:27 PM, mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > With all of the buzz about going inactive, I have to think about how thisrelates to my situation. Although mine is for a much better reason than Brandon. As previously mentioned I am working on a one year contract 14 hours from home. I hope to fly home once a month just to introduce myself to my wife and family. But the thought of going inactive in OBC isn't too appealing. My extended OBC family keeps me occupied in my down time. I like reading the rambles and keeping up with the topics of the day... good dealers vs. bad dealers, who got good deals at the shows, and whatever Taylor finds at an estate sale. So what I have done is put a little blurb on my want list cover page explaining that I am away from home and probably will be l ate on thank yous and return fire. But just because I am not able to send out cards as ofter doesn't mean that I want to be less a part of the group. I still get excited when my wife tells me that I got some OBC cards, I believe I have a Trip package and something from Shawn. My wife looked at oneand said it was black cards with a green back. Sounds like some 71s, so Isaid "who sent them so I can say thanks". She said that she wasn't sure so I told her to just leave them unopened on the desk until I get home for the holidays. I will definitely be thanking you when I get home as I need a good reason to "play" with my cards again. I am going through a 6 week withdrawal > So my advise to anyone is a similar situation, don't go inactive, just adjust your level an d style of participation. > Mark Holland ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 16:29:02 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Thanks to BILL MALSON and MIKE GLASSER From: Jeffrey Whitworth Thanks go out to Bill for sending '56 Ike Delock. Thanks also to Mike for sending a nice flat eight '68s (four HI #s)) including Bill Mazeroski and Jesus Alou along with a '69 John Boccabella. Jeff Whitworth ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 15:12:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ID Help From: ChicoD1@aol.com Mike McCann asked me about this card but I can't place what the set is. The picture is the same one used in the Helmar T330 Art Stamp Card. I added Mike on this email. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 15:34:59 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ID Help From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Mark Z caught a lead on this one. Looks like a card from a newer set. So far, I can't place it with something older. http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/119945/cid/8163764/1992-Sports Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/11/2016 3:12:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Mike McCann asked me about this card but I can't place what the set is. The picture is the same one used in the Helmar T330 Art Stamp Card. I added Mike on this email. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2016 22:24:16 +0000 Subject: Gotta brag From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: 11 Dec 2016 16:28:57 -0800 To: Subject: Card board cures the bored From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: 12 Dec 2016 07:42:54 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Gotta brag From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 12:18:56 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com We may all drink Yoo Hoo, but how many of us collect the 1959 (and 1993 & 1994) Yoo Hoo sets??? Personally, I only have the 1994 set, and not even atype card from 1959 or 1993 set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 10, 2016 1:17 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Can I Switch to inactive? I think we all drink the Yoo-Hoo (no, Yogi didn't do commercials for Kook-aid!)... Tastes pretty damn good too! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/10/2016 1:13:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com All encouraging comments to disguise the fact that OBC is a cult and the only way to drop out, to avoid cardboard being sent to you and your heirs, successors and assigns, is to complete every imaginable set, variation,printing difference, and miscut =E2=93 all in Tipton mint. Then we willleave you in peace. George Vrechek ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2016 20:03:40 +0000 Subject: 55 Bowman lot on eBay ends today From: Aaron Shirley Not sure just how great a deal it is, but this ends in a few hours. www.ebay.com/itm/232165096970 I'm not bidding, but if anyone else is, I will pay a bit for a share in thespoils. ================= Date: 13 Dec 2016 10:23:56 -0800 To: Subject: Snow and Ice! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 11:21:36 -0800 To: "directorth@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Snow and Ice! From: Stamper Congrats Tom!! I only trim them if they don't fit in the binder. John Stamper On Dec 13, 2016, at 10:23 AM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Just wanted to share that a) it is snowing here in Dayton, and b) thanks to Andy Cook's DS listing, I will soon ICE the 1962 Post master set with the blue line Joey Jay. Woo hoo! > Now, here's a question for you 61-63 Post (and Jello) collectors: do you ever trim the sloppy cuts made by the youngsters of the early 60's? I don'tmean trimming inside the border of the card, but trimming away the excess.I've done that with the Hostess sets but haven't done so with any of the Post sets.No reason why. Just curious to see who might prefer them the way they are or if you prefer to trim them to their intended dimensions. > Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 15:24:42 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Red Man lot From: Ken M Look at this on eBay http://www.ebay.com/itm/201741230118 Less than $3/card. I will have some dupes :-) Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 01:06:29 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Wants , Subject: Merry Kissmass Availables From: Dan Angland Wishing everyone an early Merry Kissmass. Please claim the below from the 78 Donruss Kiss set. Please include address. No return fire needed. 1, 2, 4, 12, 13, 15, 17, 19, 25, 32, 32, 32, 36, 36, 36, 39, 39. 40. 40, 41, 56, 57, 57, 57, 57, 60, 60, 61, 61, 61 Have an OBC Holiday!Dan Angland Kiss wish below. 1978 Series I 6, 11, 14, 18, 20,21, 24, 29, 31, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 44, 48, 49, 55, 66 Series II need all but 72 ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:45:38 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Season's Ramblings From: Ken M Good evening OBC,   I haven't sent out a good ramble in a while, so pull up a comfy chair and a snack if you are so inclined... or skip to the next email if you aren't. First, I'll start off by acknowledging the arrival of my holiday exchange gift. The return address is from Santa's workshop in Harrison, OH. It's not the PREMIER home to any OBC'ers, but I th-INK it's a work address. Hopefully I'll be able to tell who had DESIGNS on it in a couple weeks. After the requisite amount of shaking and holding it up to the light, I placed it in my stocking by the chimney with care.  For those of you who have inquired about the Red Man cards, I'm going to sell the overwhelming majority (or all) of them to James Moleta (since I ended up outbidding him) after I look for any date variations I need - and since I only need 5, I'm not overly optimistic (and the one Mays in the lot isn't a '52). I still have about two dozen '55 Red Man commons from the Philly show that I used for upgrades that will fit in nicely with the new lot.  Is anyone else as annoyed as I am with COMC cross listing all their cards on eBay? The other day, I was checking for Kellogg's variations on COMC. When I was done there, I went on eBay and saw the same exact cards over and over again (because if they have the same card listed at $5 and $7, it shows up at least once on COMC and twice on eBay). The only positive is that they always have pics of the backs, which is always key for a variation collector like me... I just wish I didn't have to look at the same card I don't need 3 times.  Speaking of Kellogg's, in my haste and overzealousness to get all these "newly discovered" variations, I screwed up. I got three groups (of between 5 and 8) 1971's. I paid about $3/card and the lots were either beat up with HOF'ers or nicer commons (and one had a blank back). Two of the lots got here yesterday and as I was ripping open one of the puffies, I saw the return address and said, "son-of-a--- -"... I bought cards from toppsaholic. Let the public shaming commence. I do have to say, however, that he threw in a couple extra (UV) cards of Yaz and Ted Williams, which isn't a bad thing. (There was zero communication - also, not a bad thing.) I can't remember if it was a straight BIN or if it was an accepted offer - I'm just glad I didn't get any super rare 1 of 1's... or did I? ;-)   My daughter is selling Girl Scout cookies. I'm sure most of you have plenty of options in that regard and the post office would probably have me fill out 10 extra forms to mail them to you, but I'll throw it out there. (Anyone local or visiting Boston soon is welcome to put in an order though. They're $5/box. The usual varieties.)  That's all for today. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2016 23:51:23 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Shows From: OBC Nick P If you could pick up and go to any card show in the continental US which show and where would you go. Why that show? Strictly for the cards and not scenery or a game or other local attractions. The national does not count. Why? I was recently at a hockey game and won one of the promotional prizes.....a round trip airfare for one. My first thought was to use this for either the March Chicago show or the national.....but this airline doesn't fly to Chicago.....just my luck. I've only briefly talked to the wife about the idea-but I'm thinking skip the march Chicago show and substitute in another. Katie doesn't make the March trip with me so it works well. I'm not booking anything or scheduling any plans.....just gathering info tosee what might work. I have talked to a couple obcers about two show possibilities. If this is how I blow the voucher.....the wife could still surprise me withanother idea but...I'd like to find: 1) a show that takes a to work through-not just an hour or two. 2) good solid vintage selection 3) Obc presence/representation What's out there? P.S. The wife and I are already taking a winter vacation so that plan is covered. Nick Pelletier ================= To: "'OBC Nick P'" , Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:16:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Shows From: "Bob Donaldson" I'd vote the Shriner's show in Wilington, MA, about 30 minutes north of Boston. Three day show with lots of vintage and a smattering of OBCers. Takes place in April and November, with November being the far better show. I can get you more details if you are interested From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 12:51 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Shows If you could pick up and go to any card show in the continental US which show and where would you go. Why that show? Strictly for the cards and not scenery or a game or other local attractions. The national does not count. Why? I was recently at a hockey game and won one of the promotional prizes.....a round trip airfare for one. My first thought was to use this for either the March Chicago show or the national.....but this airline doesn't fly to Chicago.....just my luck. I've only briefly talked to the wife about the idea-but I'm thinking skip the march Chicago show and substitute in another. Katie doesn't make the March trip with me so it works well. I'm not booking anything or scheduling any plans.....just gathering info to see what might work. I have talked to a couple obcers about two show If this is how I blow the voucher.....the wife could still surprise me with another idea but...I'd like to find: 1) a show that takes a to work through-not just an hour or two. 2) good solid vintage selection 3) Obc presence/representation What's out there? P.S. The wife and I are already taking a winter vacation so that plan is Nick Pelletier Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 09:06:33 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Gurus "Wauction" #3 From: LAWRENCE TIPTON (A combination =E2=9CWaiver-Wire=E2=9D and =E2=9CAuction=E2=9D) rules: send me a private email message telling me what lot number/numbers you would like to have. No limit on how many lots you request. I=E2=99ll keep track of who is interested in each lot, and draw the winner out of my vintage (maroon colored) OBC hat. Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D ends this Sunday at 6AM EST, with winners announced. 1. 1951 Bowman baseball #122 Joe Garagiola RC. =E2=9CBirds-On-A-Bat=E2=9D uniform and =E2=9CTape-Stains-On-The-Front-Corners=E2=9D. Otherwise 2. 1952 Topps baseball #31 Gus Zernial. This is the famous card that has six baseballs attached to his bat. I remember back in 1993 ex OBC member Mark=E2=9CChata=E2=9D Shelton bought me the card that is in my set. We were at a card show in Oklahoma City and I looked at the card three or four times and unable to pull the trigger. Finally went back to purchase it, andit was gone! Mark bought it for me, and mailed it to me with a nice note (still have the card and note too). This card is slightly scuffed, but a solid G-VG example! 3. 1952 Topps baseball #67 Allie Reynolds. Some kind of Oklahoma connectionhappening as =E2=9CSuper Chief=E2=9D was born (and died) in Oklahoma. Great color on this card but paper loss from tape removal on the top and bottom front, otherwise a solid G-VG! Pictured in Yankee pinstripes. 4. 1953 Johnston Cookies Braves starter set of six cards! Featuring Milwaukee Braves players only in this 25 card set. Included are the #1 card (Charlie Grimm) and also the last card in the set #25 (Jim Pendleton). All you have to do is fill in the gaps! (Of course the =E2=9Cgaps=E2=9D includeWarren Spahn and Ed Mathews). Includes #1 #7 #13 #16 #22 #25. #16 (Ebba StClaire) has some tape on the left edge, but the others are a solid G-VG! =E2=9CNo One Makes Cookies Like Johnston=E2=9D. 5. 1955 Bowman baseball #158 Gil Hodges. G with rounded corners and creases, but absolutely NO paper loss! Love to see that big =E2=9CB=E2=9D Brooklyn on his cap. A life long chain smoker, Gil died of a heart attack at the age of 47! WTF Gil! 6. 1955 Bowman baseball #320 George Susce (Boston Red Sox) last card in theset which means it=E2=99s one of the keys to your set completion. And like #1 cards in a set, it also means that lower grade examples are overpriced. 7. 1959 Topps baseball #561 Hank Aaron (All-Star). Off centered 80-20 L-R, and I don=E2=99t see any paper loss. I do see several creases and the card is sort of dirty and it looks like it spent some time in the gutter? (I just had a flashback to my famous =E2=9Csewer-find=E2=9D at the Baltimore National). No odor detected on this card. 8. 1960 Topps baseball #200 Willie Mays G condition card rounded corners but no paper loss. So in a normal auction you might request a scan of the card before bidding. Ummm these cards are free, so unless you want to be blackballed from these =E2=9Cwauctions=E2=9D don=E2=99t even think of requesting a detailed description or a scan! 9. 1961 Topps baseball #344 Sandy Koufax I always liked this image of Sandyin his follow through motion. #43 in the background is Charlie Neal I think. Sandy was SO freaking good! This is a nice looking card, except damage at the top front due to tape removal or being used as a spatula? 10. *NON-SPORTS WARNING* Starter set of eleven different 1961 Topps =E2=9CCrazy Cards=E2=9D there are 66 cards in the full set. (front) =E2=9CA stuntman jumped from a jet plane and landed unhurt=E2=9D (back) =E2=9CThe plane was still on the ground=E2=9D (front) =E2=9CA N.Y. Artist can paint pictures with his feet!=E2=9D (back) =E2=9CBut they look lousy=E2=9D ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 14:32:45 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Santa arrives in Glasgow (I think........) From: Glenn Codere Today, I received a large envelope from an OBCer which I'm going to assume is my Secret Santa package (unless of course said OBCer tells me otherwise). I am of course extremely grateful to receive it and look forward to ripping it open on Xmas day. It has, however, highlighted something that I feel I've got to throw out tothe group as a whole. As much as I love to receive big stacks of cards, I'd very simply like to ask OBCers who feel inclined to shoot something my way to please stop sending me anything larger than a flat business envelope. The cost of overseas postage from the US has gone absolutely mad. I was utterly shocked at the price of postage on the envelope above. Even a small puffy sends the postal price skyrocketing. I can no longer in good conciousness ask you guys to send me cards where the cost of the postage outstrips the cardboard value by such a margin. Keeping things down to a plain flat holds the cost down to 2 or 3 bucks which I hope is considered do-able. It's really, really annoying to have to ask this but it's reached a point where it is now financially untenable to send me anything of any volume whatsoever. In the meantime, I'll once again say thanks to my Secret Santa and let him know that I really do appreciate his going well above and beyond in order to add a little cardboard joy to my holiday season!! GlennGlenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: 14 Dec 2016 06:34:04 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Shows From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "'Glenn Codere'" , Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 08:48:50 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Santa arrives in Glasgow (I think........) From: "Grant Rainsley" Echoing the same for Canada=E2=A6=E2=A6.pwe works best, cheapest, andfastest=E2=A6and I haven=E2=99t yet had one arrive chewed up, which I can=E2=99t say about the puffies=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.plastic 9 pocket pages cut in three rows work perfectly in a legal sized envelope=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6please save your postage money and spend it on cards instead. J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2016 6:33 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Santa arrives in Glasgow (I think........) Today, I received a large envelope from an OBCer which I'm going to assume is my Secret Santa package (unless of course said OBCer tells me otherwise). I am of course extremely grateful to receive it and look forward to ripping it open on Xmas day. It has, however, highlighted something that I feel I've got to throw out tothe group as a whole. As much as I love to receive big stacks of cards, I'd very simply like to ask OBCers who feel inclined to shoot something my way to please stop sending me anything larger than a flat business envelope. The cost of overseas postage from the US has gone absolutely mad. I was utterly shocked at the price of postage on the envelope above. Even a small puffy sends the postal price skyrocketing. I can no longer in good conciousness ask you guys to send me cards where the cost of the postage outstrips the cardboard value by such a margin. Keeping things down to a plain flat holds the cost down to 2 or 3 bucks which I hope is considered do-able. It's really, really annoying to have to ask this but it's reached a point where it is now financially untenable to send me anything of any volume whatsoever. In the meantime, I'll once again say thanks to my Secret Santa and let him know that I really do appreciate his going well above and beyond in order to add a little cardboard joy to my holiday season!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 13:22:07 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Three letter acronyms From: Joel Freedman Hi, can anybody tell me what NPD stands for in the world of card For instance........... *1995 Topps Base Set* There are 2 known variations in this set. 3A Babe Ruth Blue Jays no Gold Topps Logo (NPD) 3B Babe Ruth Blue Jays has Gold Logo ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 18:14:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 50 and 51 Bowman From: Rob Bessette Every time I look at my want lists for these sets I swear I already have the card from one particular year. Larry Doby gets me every time. I don't know how many deals I passed on because I was like "nah, I already have that card" only to check my want list when I get home and be like "my wantlist must be wrong" only to check my binder to be like "crap!" The same pics but different crops. Wonder if I'll ever learn. This happen to anyone else? ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 17:52:26 -0600 Subject: Set done From: Yaz I broke down last week and sent a seventeen dollar bill out to ebayland. This resulted in the finishing of my '64 Topps set as I have just slid the Phil Neikro RC into it's place. It was one of ten vintage sets I had with 8 or less cards left to get, and I was desperate to get at least one done before the new year. Yea! Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 20:47:40 -0500 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set done From: Jimi Thayer Congrats, Greg! Love that set! Very jealous!! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I broke down last week and sent a seventeen dollar bill out to ebayland. > This resulted in the finishing of my '64 Topps set as I have just slid > the Phil Neikro RC into it's place. It was one of ten vintage sets I had > with 8 or less cards left to get, and I was desperate to get at least > one done before the new year. Yea! > Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:06:51 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set done From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Nice! I know you can smell some of those other sets... so damn close..so damn far! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/14/2016 6:52:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I broke down last week and sent a seventeen dollar bill out to ebayland. This resulted in the finishing of my '64 Topps set as I have just slid the Phil Neikro RC into it's place. It was one of ten vintage sets I had with 8 or less cards left to get, and I was desperate to get at least one done before the new year. Yea! Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:25:51 -0500 To: yazobc@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set done From: ShoelessWes Let's kill Greg's 1958 Topps set. There are only 3. I am sending the #47 Maris rookie tomorrow morning. Anyone wanna be the hero and kill it off? #187 SKoufax, #418 World Series Foes MMantle/HAaron Come on! Wes Shepard > On Dec 14, 2016, at 6:52 PM, Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I broke down last week and sent a seventeen dollar bill out to ebayland. > This resulted in the finishing of my '64 Topps set as I have just slid > the Phil Neikro RC into it's place. It was one of ten vintage sets I had > with 8 or less cards left to get, and I was desperate to get at least > one done before the new year. Yea! > Greg (yaz) ================= To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:13:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set done From: Yaz Yeah, so excited I checked prices on some of those missing cards in the other sets. Gulp! Good thing I probably need to work the rest of my life Greg (yaz) On 12/14/2016 8:06 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Nice! I know you can smell some of those other sets... so damn > close..so damn far! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 12/14/2016 6:52:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > I broke down last week and sent a seventeen dollar bill out to > ebayland. > This resulted in the finishing of my '64 Topps set as I have just > slid > the Phil Neikro RC into it's place. It was one of ten vintage sets > I had > with 8 or less cards left to get, and I was desperate to get at least > one done before the new year. Yea! > Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2016 21:10:54 -0800 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Arlington.... From: Stamper There are a few Oak Park cities as well. Right Mike. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:17 AM, "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > So I put together a few envelopes to put in the mail and then realized Ihad three different Arlingtons on my distribution list--Washington, Massachusetts and Virginia. > It struck a cord for some reason.... > peter mead ================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 11:01:09 -0500 To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com, hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Arlington.... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I felt right at home staying at John's while on my trip away from Oak Park,MI. I also drive through Oak Park, IL. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: hoot_owl1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 15, 2016 12:11 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Arlington.... There are a few Oak Park cities as well. Right Mike. John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91377 On Dec 14, 2016, at 11:17 AM, "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" So I put together a few envelopes to put in the mail and then realized I had three different Arlingtons on my distribution list--Washington, Massachusetts and Virginia. It struck a cord for some reason.... peter mead ================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 23:16:19 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 60 leaf packed with marbles? I did not know From: mark zentkovich very strange, not sure if some of you guys knew this or not.. here is link to another forum with a neat pic of original pack http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Forum.cfm/Page/M/ID/0/?MODE=VIEW&ThreadID=5459&C=3 mark z ================= Date: 15 Dec 2016 19:01:19 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire- Duke Snider From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "JAY Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 03:02:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Wire- Duke Snider From: JAY TYSVER It is claimed Jay Tysver From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2016 9:01 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Wire- Duke Snider 1956 Topps Duke Snider #150 Gray back. Warning, it is trimmed and is missing some paper on back. First to claim gets it. Jay Tysver ================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2016 22:12:49 -0500 To: mzentko@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 60 leaf packed with marbles? I did not know From: Joshua Levine I admit I knew that...not as weird as the small cookie that 1963 Fleer was packed with though. -----Original Message----- From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 15, 2016 3:16 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 60 leaf packed with marbles? I did not know very strange, not sure if some of you guys knew this or not.. here is link to another forum with a neat pic of original pack http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Forum.cfm/Page/M/ID/0/?MODEVIEW&ThreadID5459&C3 mark z ================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 21:08:31 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 71 topps football From: JDahms ================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2016 21:32:53 -0800 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps football From: Rick Wow I don't know if you call it great minds think alike or what kind of minds we have but the second I seen that 264 on up I knew you were going chimein on that. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 16, 2016, at 8:03 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > JD, > At least you didn't lose #'s 264 and up....the last card in the set is Tom Matte, he's number 263 :-) > Since I am on the never ending quest to complete 20 or maybe 30 sets of these cards, I don't usually have many to offer...but in this case, I will see what I can do to slay a gremlin or two! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: Obc Ranblings > Sent: December 16, 2016 at 6:10 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 71 topps football > I was putting away a couple 71 topps football and started noticing a terrible trend. Cards missing. More than just gremlins. Totally brain farted misplacing of cards. I think I send them around cuz I can't find them. Any help would most definately be appreciated > Thabks > JD > 71 football > 133 144 150 154 190 201 210 215 216 217 224 225 227 230 235 238 250 260 264 on up..... > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 05:41:28 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Historical Homicide at my House From: familytoad@comcast.net You know ...that dumb document that drives our minds and wallets crazy!

Well I caught a notion that it's time to remember all the Set Killers who have finished off sets for me.

Maybe you'll also like to share those "bad" good guy killers who committed themselves to slaughtering your wantlist.

In chronological set order, here is the OBC Murderer'sRow:

1954 Topps Rick Lyons
1956 Topps Jimi Thayer
1958 Topps Mac Wubben
1959 Topps Geno Wagner
1960 Topps Mac Wubben
1964 Topps Giants Bob Reed
1965 Topps Matt Yudt
1969 Topps Andy Huntoon
1971 Topps Nick Pelletier
1972 Topps Geordie Calvert
1973 Topps OBC Jim Hatch
1974 Topps OBC- Skelly
1976 Topps OBC Sweendogger
1977 Topps Jeff Newman

These murderers definitely know their way around a Post Office, not just with theirpictures on the wall, but they've also licked a lot of stamps!

I'm counting former OBC members and anyone who killed the set before I later discovered gremlins.

But I would be terribly remiss if I didn't mention that these are just the "last" OBC cards to slide into the binders. Literally THOUSANDS of the other cards in my binders are from you guys. What anamazing thought that is to ponder!

Thank you to ALL of you out there who make OBC so special...nice job!

OBC Forever,
Brian





Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 07:00:25 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: 23 Hours Remain! Guru's "Wauction" #3 From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Still time to bid! The most popular lots so far are #1 and #4 which have twelve bids each. The least popular lots so far are #5 and #8 which have onlysix Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D #3 (A combination =E2=9CWaiver-Wire=E2=9D and =E2=9CAuction=E2=9D) rules: send me a private email message telling me what lot number/numbers you would like to have. No limit on how many lots you request. I=E2=99ll keep track of who is interested in each lot, and draw the winner out of my vintage (maroon colored) OBC hat. Gurus =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D ends this Sunday at 6AM EST, with winners announced. 1. 1951 Bowman baseball #122 Joe Garagiola RC. 2. Topps baseball #31 Gus Zernial 3. 1952 Topps baseball #67 Allie Reynolds 4. 1953 Johnston Cookies starter set of six cards 5. 1955 Bowman baseball #158 Gil Hodges 6. 1955 Bowman baseball #320 George Susce 7. 1959 Topps baseball #561 Hank Aaron (All-Star) 8. 1960 Topps baseball #200 Willie Mays 9. 1961 Topps baseball #344 Sandy Koufax 10. Starter set of eleven different 1961 Topps =E2=9CCrazy Cards=E2=9D ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:16:45 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: Pair of Van Lingle Mungo Goudey flip books - $34 From: Matthew Glidden Pair of OBC Dodger collectors might split these up? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IT08YGY/ref=asc_df_B01IT08YGY4661293?tag=collect0e1-20&creative=395261&creativeASIN=B01IT08YGY&linkCode=asn ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 15:49:36 +0000 (UTC) To: Yahoogroups Subject: Speaking of gremlins - 75T #195 Mantle/Aaron From: Jerry Coker JD's 71T FB gremlin thread reminded me that I'm still looking for a 75T#195 Mantle/Aaron card ... if anyone has a spare. It's the last of threegremlins I discovered a couple months ago. I will return fire. Thanks! Jerry.Jerry ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 09:53:52 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 71 topps football From: Greg IPad John. Hate that when it happens. Is it still a gremlin when it's more than 10 cards? Ha. Got these 71s for you. 190 201 210 215 216 217 224 225 227 235 Will send out today or Monday. Greg Miller Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 10:03:23 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: 71 topps football From: Greg IPad Also found 238 for John. That should get him down to 6 cards: 144 150 154230 250 260 Greg Miller Sent from my iPad ================= To: , Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 08:35:27 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Historical Homicide at my House From: "Grant Rainsley" Good reminder Toad, you can never say thank you enough to this great group=E2=A6and unique HOMer contributions count =E2=A6.Suicide List at theend: Ken Morganti(1980T) and 1960 Fleer (The Babe!!) Mike Rich(1965 CFL Coke caps) Bob Schaub-my fave set:1962T!!! Last card Ruth #138 GT. Dan Austin/Mark Talbot (tie)-1978 OPC Last card Alan Ashby. Mike Rich (again)-a personally auto'd pic to Grant from Billy! Big Al-1979 OPC-last card Ozzie rookie!! Brian Lindholme-1979T-last card Eck! Lynn Miller-(1974T)-Griffey Sr. Rookie! Dave Fallen- HOF Billy Hoeft material! 1978T-The Fugitive & Geordie Calvert..tie...last card Reggie! My buddy's '53 set-Steve Rittenberg...last card Billy Martin! Lynn Miller (again)- baseball auto'd by Billy Hoeft! Bob Donaldson (1975T), an all-OBC set! Dave Fallen- 1960 Topps, last card Nellie Fox All Star! Squirrel Earle- 2005 Helmar, last card Shoeless Joe. Geordie Calvert- MURDERED the last remaining cards from '73, an All-OBC set...thanks to all of you! 1963 Fleer, Mr. RITTENBERG! Last card Clemente, thanks are not enough. 1959T- Mike Rich with Gibson! 1963- last card Rose, Max Weder Net 54 1964 Topps- A.L. Bombers from Mark Macrae, and a Rose upgrade from MarshallWest. 1987T- Josh Levine 1962 CFL, last card Lorne Reid, thanks Mike Rich=E2=A6yet again! 1955 Bowman- Bob Donaldson with umpire Al Barlick Suicide List: (self-killed)=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6I dunno, 8-10 sets? And while I=E2=99m here, best wishes for a safe a Merry Christmas to all! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 16, 2016 9:41 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Historical Homicide at my House I was just looking at my wantlist. You know ...that dumb document that drives our minds and wallets crazy! Well I caught a notion that it's time to remember all the Set Killers who have finished off sets for me. Maybe you'll also like to share those "bad" good guy killers who committed themselves to slaughtering your wantlist. In chronological set order, here is the OBC Murderer's Row: 1954 Topps Rick Lyons 1956 Topps Jimi Thayer 1958 Topps Mac Wubben 1959 Topps Geno Wagner 1960 Topps Mac Wubben 1964 Topps Giants Bob Reed 1965 Topps Matt Yudt 1969 Topps Andy Huntoon 1971 Topps Nick Pelletier 1972 Topps Geordie Calvert 1973 Topps OBC Jim Hatch 1974 Topps OBC- Skelly 1976 Topps OBC Sweendogger 1977 Topps Jeff Newman These murderers definitely know their way around a Post Office, not just with their pictures on the wall, but they've also licked a lot of stamps! I'm counting former OBC members and anyone who killed the set before I later discovered gremlins. But I would be terribly remiss if I didn't mention that these are just the "last" OBC cards to slide into the binders. Literally THOUSANDS of the other cards in my binders are from you guys. What an amazing thought that is toponder! Thank you to ALL of you out there who make OBC so special...nice job! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 11:13:03 -0500 To: Greg IPad Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 71 topps football From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I have the LeBeau on the way, here's you're updated list: 144, 150, 230, 250, 260 Sam Taylor On Sat, Dec 17, 2016 at 11:03 AM, Greg IPad miller@gredella.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Also found 238 for John. That should get him down to 6 cards: 144 150 154 > 230 250 260 > Greg Miller > Sent from my iPad Sam Taylor ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:23:55 -0500 Subject: Gathering in Arlington Jan 8th From: "Bob Donaldson" I will be having an OBC gathering at my house in Arlington MA on January 8th, any time after noon. There will be playoff football and lots of food. Maybe even swapping of cardboard. Ken Morganti will be there delivering girl scout cookies for anyone who's placed an order. I have a couple of spare beds if anyone wants to come from afar. One item of note. I have two dogs (Golden Retriever and Lab/hound mix) and they like people - a lot. If you are bothered by dogs trying to lick you in the face or jump on your lap, this might not be the place for you :). LMK if interested. Bob Donaldson ================= To: "'Jerry Coker'" , Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 13:49:06 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of gremlins - 75T #195 Mantle/Aaron From: "Matt Yudt" Jerry =E2=93 I have duplicate of this for you. Just got it at the Philly Show =E2=93 cost me 10 cents! On its way=E2=A6 Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Coker obcbeatle@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2016 10:50 AM To: Yahoogroups Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Speaking of gremlins - 75T #195 Mantle/Aaron JD's 71T FB gremlin thread reminded me that I'm still looking for a 75T #195 Mantle/Aaron card ... if anyone has a spare. It's the last of three gremlins I discovered a couple months ago. I will return fire. Thanks! Jerry. Jerry Coker ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 18:53:06 +0000 Subject: Changing directions a bit From: Mac Wubben ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 19:33:33 +0000 (UTC) To: Yahoogroups Subject: Thanks to Matt Yudt for a 75T Aaron/Mantle gremlin! From: Jerry Coker Thanks to Matt Yudt for answering the call for a 75T gremlin Mantle/Aaron! That OBC set is done. Thanks OBC!!!Jerry Coker ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 16:51:21 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Another set bits the dust From: Doug The mail delivered, courtesy of Evil Bay, the last card I needed for my 1959 Topps set today.......the Bob Gibson RC. I was not expecting to get that set put to bed this year but it is nice to knock it off! Thanks to all the many OBCers who helped me with this one along the way. Doug DeJong Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 22:33:41 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Boston Hook Up? From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I'll be in Boston on Wednesday for late lunch or early dinner. I usually like to go to the Back Deck, on West Street, just off Boston Common...mostly because The Brattle Book Shop across the street is pretty cool. Anybody interested in meeting up for a beer and grub? ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:45:32 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pair of Van Lingle Mungo Goudey flip books - $34 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I think it's only for one. I have to check on Dave's site. Looks like GFG.com ... I would split this in a heartbeat if there are two... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/17/2016 8:17:00 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Pair of OBC Dodger collectors might split these up? https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IT08YGY/refasc_df_B01IT08YGY4661293?tagcollec ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 18:00:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another set bits the dust From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Well done Doug! I think 3 of us killed that set this year with the Gibson! You DO have the variations (- Hererr) right? :-) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/17/2016 4:51:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: The mail delivered, courtesy of Evil Bay, the last card I needed for my 1959 Topps set today.......the Bob Gibson RC. I was not expecting to get that set put to bed this year but it is nice to knock it off! Thanks to all the many OBCers who helped me with this one along the way. Doug DeJong Sent from my iPad ================= To: Doug , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 17:04:24 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another set bits the dust From: Yaz Way to go Doug! I'll be all in on that set next year I hope with only 8 cards to go. Greg (yaz) On 12/17/2016 3:51 PM, Doug ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The mail delivered, courtesy of Evil Bay, the last card I needed for > my 1959 Topps set today.......the Bob Gibson RC. I was not expecting > to get that set put to bed this year but it is nice to knock it off! > Thanks to all the many OBCers who helped me with this one along the way. > Doug DeJong > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2016 18:50:05 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Another set bits the dust From: Doug DeJong I have not drank the variation koolaid (yet)! Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2016, at 6:00 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Well done Doug! I think 3 of us killed that set this year with the Gibson! You DO have the variations (- Hererr) right? :-) > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 12/17/2016 4:51:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > The mail delivered, courtesy of Evil Bay, the last card I needed for my 1959 Topps set today.......the Bob Gibson RC. I was not expecting to get that set put to bed this year but it is nice to knock it off! > Thanks to all the many OBCers who helped me with this one along the way. > Doug DeJong > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 07:16:42 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: Guru's "Wauction Winners" From: LAWRENCE TIPTON What an amazing =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D, with ten =E2=9Chigh quality=E2=9D lots bringing in some spirited bidding! Guru is constantly scouring the county for these rare items, and =E2=9CWauction #4=E2=9D itemshave already been secured. However, =E2=9CWauction #4=E2=9D will be delayed until early February as Guru has to head back out west for additional babysitting duties:) Thanks for participating, winnings will be mailed out tomorrow (Monday). =E2=9CWauction Winners=E2=9D 1. 1951 Bowman baseball #122 Joe Garagiola RC. (Shawn Smart) 2. 1952 Topps baseball #31 Gus Zernial (Mike Rumley-Wells) 3. 1952 Topps baseball #67 Allie Reynolds (Matt Yudt) 4. 1953 Johnston Cookies starter set of six cards (Sean Schuettpelz) 5. 1955 Bowman baseball #158 Gil Hodges (Ed Hutchinson) 6. 1955 Bowman baseball #320 George Susce (Bob Donaldson) 7. 1959 Topps baseball #561 Hank Aaron (All-Star) (John Stamper) 8. 1960 Topps baseball #200 Willie Mays (Jason Christopherson) 9. 1961 Topps baseball #344 Sandy Koufax (Bob Neill) 10. Starter set of eleven different 1961 Topps =E2=9CCrazy Cards=E2=9D (Chris Tripler) ================= To: "'LAWRENCE TIPTON'" , Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 08:07:47 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru's "Wauction Winners" From: "Bob Donaldson" Thanks Guru. You certainly exemplify the OBC spirit! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 7:17 AM To: obc Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru's "Wauction Winners" What an amazing =E2=9CWauction=E2=9D, with ten =E2=9Chigh quality=E2=9D lots bringing in some spirited bidding! Guru is constantly scouring the county for these rare items, and =E2=9CWauction #4=E2=9D itemshave already been secured. However, =E2=9CWauction #4=E2=9D will be delayed until early February as Guru has to head back out west for additional babysitting duties:) Thanks for participating, winnings will be mailed out tomorrow (Monday). =E2=9CWauction Winners=E2=9D 1. 1951 Bowman baseball #122 Joe Garagiola RC. (Shawn Smart) 2. 1952 Topps baseball #31 Gus Zernial (Mike Rumley-Wells) 3. 1952 Topps baseball #67 Allie Reynolds (Matt Yudt) 4. 1953 Johnston Cookies starter set of six cards (Sean Schuettpelz) 5. 1955 Bowman baseball #158 Gil Hodges (Ed Hutchinson) 6. 1955 Bowman baseball #320 George Susce (Bob Donaldson) 7. 1959 Topps baseball #561 Hank Aaron (All-Star) (John Stamper) 8. 1960 Topps baseball #200 Willie Mays (Jason Christopherson) 9. 1961 Topps baseball #344 Sandy Koufax (Bob Neill) 10. Starter set of eleven different 1961 Topps =E2=9CCrazy Cards=E2=9D (Chris Tripler) ================= Date: 18 Dec 2016 10:05:22 -0800 To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Guru's "Wauction Winners" From: mikerw7@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 15:58:45 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1938 Horrors of War From: Andy Cook Does anyone collect this set? I have about a dozen and think I'm going to work on it. Seems like a great challenge. Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Andy Cook Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 21:13:01 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War From: richard dingman I have been working on that and have all the low numbers, still need a dozen or so of the harder to get cards. I know Rittenberg and Schock at least are also collecting this neat set. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2016 3:58 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War Does anyone collect this set? I have about a dozen and think I'm going to work on it. Seems like a great challenge. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:36:27 -0500 To: Andy Cook Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War From: Ed Hutchinson I had it on my wantlist for a while, I was able to pick up a few at a flea market- but I never got any hits and didnt want to spend any money on it- so I removed it from my site. If I still have the ones I used to have, I will see if you can use them On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Does anyone collect this set? I have about a dozen and think I'm going to > work on it. Seems like a great challenge. > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 16:47:30 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: re: 1938 Horrors of War From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I am also working on this set and have 236 different of the 288 cards in the set, or about 81% complete. Pretty tough! ================= Date: 18 Dec 2016 14:14:02 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire Hockey DVD's From: rangersteve7@optonline.net ================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2016 22:48:32 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: OBC Meet up From: mark zentkovich I met Jimi Thayer at Hartman's card shop in Columbus last saturday. this shop was very neat and organized, and good customer service by the owner's wife Lu. their cards were not marked, and I paid right at full book for the 13 hits from 69 Topps baseball. Jimi was a big help looking through a couple of boxes to hit my list Not great as far as pricing goes on vintage, but she did throw in about 20 random beaters for me. Maybe that was my discount?nice shop though, will come back. they charged be about half book on a stack of UV I picked out of their boxes earlier in the week. After our shop visit was over, Jimi and I did a cool UV bulk swap (without spending any postage, sweet! after our swap, this southerner got cold standing outside in the snow flurries and wind, and we went to a local mcdonalds and were able to spend about 30 minutes more talking about cards, obc, etc. great conversation, I enjoyed the visit very much! thanks for taking the time to meet. mark zentkovich ================= Date: 18 Dec 2016 19:25:13 -0800 To: Subject: OBC potential Gold on ebay From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= To: "james_moleta@hotmail.com" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 03:53:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Aaron Shirley I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay He has 5-6 of these lots that end today. Can they be real? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: james moleta ; Aaron Shirley Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay I am naturally cautious on eBay. The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, and went for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ", it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cards all at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your money also Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted (okay I feel a little tempted LOL) Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: james moleta Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller has SEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960s including a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cards ofMickey... View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:30:00 -0500 To: jehutch75@gmail.com, typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War From: Mike Glasser One of my favorite sets and I do have some needs of course. I also have a bunch of dupes. Who is in need? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Andy Cook Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War I had it on my wantlist for a while, I was able to pick up a few at a flea market- but I never got any hits and didnt want to spend any money on it- so I removed it from my site. If I still have the ones I used to have, I will see if you can use them On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Does anyone collect this set? I have about a dozen and think I'm going to work on it. Seems like a great challenge. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 15:35:09 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Ken M FWIW, the seller sold two similar lots earlier this month according to his feedback. Both buyers had over 3000 feedback (if that means anything). Both were happy with their lots. FYI, both lots sold for $350-380 if anyone has any ideas. My paypal credit balance doesn't have that kind of room after picking up that Red Man lot (which I have to get at the PO today). Otherwise, I'd be very tempted. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2016 3:18 PMTo: familytoad@comcast.net;james_moleta@hotmail.com;uthminsta@hotmail.com;Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay He has 5-6 of these lots that end today.  Can they be real? Mike GlasserOwnerThe Goddard School in Sparks, MD14630 York RoadSparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: james moleta >; Aaron Shirley > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay   I am naturally cautious on eBay. The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, and went for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ", it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cards all at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your money also returned) Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted ( okay I feel a little tempted LOL) Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: james moleta Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay   I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:  The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller has SEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960s including a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cards of Mickey...View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo< ================= To: Mike Glasser , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:41:59 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War From: richard dingman Here is my HoW wantlist, red numbers mean need upgrade to G+ or better: 54, 179, 190, 195, 196, 199, 205, 211, 215, 237, 240, 242, 245, 251, 258, 261, 264, 269, 277, 279, 283, 284, 286, 287. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 PM To: jehutch75@gmail.com; typecard@aol.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War One of my favorite sets and I do have some needs of course. I also have a bunch of dupes. Who is in need? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Andy Cook Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War I had it on my wantlist for a while, I was able to pick up a few at a flea market- but I never got any hits and didnt want to spend any money on it- so I removed it from my site. If I still have the ones I used to have, I will see if you can use them On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Does anyone collect this set? I have about a dozen and think I'm going to work on it. Seems like a great challenge. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:01:55 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Doug I am very tempted but a bit too suspicious right now ..... Sent from my iPad > On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > FWIW, the seller sold two similar lots earlier this month according to his feedback. Both buyers had over 3000 feedback (if that means anything). Both were happy with their lots. FYI, both lots sold for $350-380 if anyone has any ideas. My paypal credit balance doesn't have that kind of room afterpicking up that Red Man lot (which I have to get at the PO today). Otherwise, I'd be very tempted. > Ken M > br> > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2016 3:18 PM > To: familytoad@comcast.net;james_moleta@hotmail.com;uthminsta@hotmail.com; > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay > He has 5-6 of these lots that end today. Can they be real? > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: james moleta >; Aaron Shirley > > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay > I am naturally cautious on eBay. > The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, andwent for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ",it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. > It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cards all at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your money also > Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted( okay I feel a little tempted LOL) > Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: james moleta > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay > I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: > (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay > While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller hasSEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. > (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... > An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960s including a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cards of > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo< ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:16:48 -0500 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Jimi Thayer Yeah I don't see any issues. I zoomed in and the cards all seem plenty legit to me. I might try and pop on one if I remember later. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > FWIW, the seller sold two similar lots earlier this month according to his feedback. Both buyers had over 3000 feedback (if that means anything). Both were happy with their lots. FYI, both lots sold for $350-380 if anyone has any ideas. My paypal credit balance doesn't have that kind of room afterpicking up that Red Man lot (which I have to get at the PO today). Otherwise, I'd be very tempted. > Ken M > br> > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2016 3:18 PM > To: familytoad@comcast.net;james_moleta@hotmail.com;uthminsta@hotmail.com; > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay > He has 5-6 of these lots that end today. Can they be real? > Mike Glasser > Owner > The Goddard School in Sparks, MD > 14630 York Road > Sparks, MD 21152 > -----Original Message----- > From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: james moleta >; Aaron Shirley > > Cc: OBC-Ramblings > > Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay > I am naturally cautious on eBay. > The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, andwent for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ",it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. > It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cards all at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your money also > Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted( okay I feel a little tempted LOL) > Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: james moleta > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay > I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... > Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: > (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay > While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller hasSEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. > (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... > An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960s including a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cards of > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo< ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:32:04 -0500 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Rob Bessette I messaged him about the cards. Here's the response... All of these cards are original and there are no reprints. The best I can tell you is the cards are in all in low grade. > On Dec 19, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Yeah I don't see any issues. I zoomed in and the cards all seem plenty legit to me. I might try and pop on one if I remember later. > Jimi > Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> FWIW, the seller sold two similar lots earlier this month according to his feedback. Both buyers had over 3000 feedback (if that means anything). Both were happy with their lots. FYI, both lots sold for $350-380 if anyone has any ideas. My paypal credit balance doesn't have that kind of room after picking up that Red Man lot (which I have to get at the PO today). Otherwise, I'd be very tempted. >> Ken M >> br> >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> ------ Original message------ >> From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2016 3:18 PM >> To: familytoad@comcast.net;james_moleta@hotmail.com;uthminsta@hotmail.com; >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; >> Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay >> He has 5-6 of these lots that end today. Can they be real? >> Mike Glasser >> Owner >> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >> 14630 York Road >> Sparks, MD 21152 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > >> To: james moleta >; Aaron Shirley > >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings > >> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay >> I am naturally cautious on eBay. >> The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, and went for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ", it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. >> It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cardsall at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your moneyalso >> Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted ( okay I feel a little tempted LOL) >> Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: james moleta >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay >> I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay >> While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller has SEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... >> An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960sincluding a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cardsof >> View on www.ebay.com >> Preview by Yahoo< ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:55:12 +0000 Subject: Webs.com From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 17:44:51 -0500 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Doug If anyone is planning to bid let me know as I may throw a bid in and would like to avoid bidding against anyone. Also, if someone is interested in splitting one I may be interested in that too. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 19, 2016, at 5:16 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Yeah I don't see any issues. I zoomed in and the cards all seem plenty legit to me. I might try and pop on one if I remember later. > Jimi > Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 19, 2016, at 3:35 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> FWIW, the seller sold two similar lots earlier this month according to his feedback. Both buyers had over 3000 feedback (if that means anything). Both were happy with their lots. FYI, both lots sold for $350-380 if anyone has any ideas. My paypal credit balance doesn't have that kind of room after picking up that Red Man lot (which I have to get at the PO today). Otherwise, I'd be very tempted. >> Ken M >> br> >> Sent from my not so smart phone. >> ------ Original message------ >> From: Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Date: Mon, Dec 19, 2016 3:18 PM >> To: familytoad@comcast.net;james_moleta@hotmail.com;uthminsta@hotmail.com; >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; >> Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay >> He has 5-6 of these lots that end today. Can they be real? >> Mike Glasser >> Owner >> The Goddard School in Sparks, MD >> 14630 York Road >> Sparks, MD 21152 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > >> To: james moleta >; Aaron Shirley > >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings > >> Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay >> I am naturally cautious on eBay. >> The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, and went for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ", it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. >> It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cardsall at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your moneyalso >> Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted ( okay I feel a little tempted LOL) >> Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: james moleta >> Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay >> I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay >> While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller has SEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... >> An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960sincluding a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cardsof >> View on www.ebay.com >> Preview by Yahoo< ================= To: "jehutch75@gmail.com" , "typecard@aol.com" Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:32:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War From: Taylor Schock FWIW... I have quite a few low numbers still on my want list... Horrors of War (1938 Gum 288) (any) 6 8 9 16 18 28 31 35 39 40 42 44 49 52 60 68 69 83 87 90 93 96 98 99 105 106 108 125 126 128 130 132 138 140 141 148 150 151 157 159 160 161 163 169 171 173 175 176 180 181 182 183 185 188 189 193 194 196-209 211-233 235-240 242 244 246-248 250-254 256-261 263 265-269 271-288 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:30 PM To: jehutch75@gmail.com; typecard@aol.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War One of my favorite sets and I do have some needs of course. I also have a bunch of dupes. Who is in need? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Ed Hutchinson jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Andy Cook Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 4:36 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1938 Horrors of War I had it on my wantlist for a while, I was able to pick up a few at a flea market- but I never got any hits and didnt want to spend any money on it- so I removed it from my site. If I still have the ones I used to have, I will see if you can use them On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Does anyone collect this set? I have about a dozen and think I'm going to work on it. Seems like a great challenge. Sent from my iPad ================= To: "familytoad@comcast.net" , Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:49:46 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Taylor Schock I don't doubt the legitimacy of the cards, but the backs could have issues.Based on the odds, I doubt they are skinned but some/many/all could have back issues including paper loss or glue/paper residue from being glued ontosomething. My view, if I was inclined to bid, would be a bid no higher than 5% of BV (and probably a little less, depending on what 5% works out to).That way you can be pleasantly surprised. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Glasser miglasser@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 3:18 PM To: familytoad@comcast.net; james_moleta@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay He has 5-6 of these lots that end today. Can they be real? Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: james moleta ; Aaron Shirley Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2016 11:11 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay I am naturally cautious on eBay. The past couple lots this seller has sold looked too good to be true, and went for decent money , but without any description beyond "lower grade ", it's hard to tell how much these are worth. Look at his past sales and you'll see what I mean. It could be a very nice bargain and a way to pick up some big star cards all at once...or you could be returning the lot (hopefully with your money also Luckily for me, I don't need too many Topps cards so I don't feel tempted (okay I feel a little tempted LOL) Good luck if anyone decides to go for it! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: james moleta Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 18, 2016 at 7:55 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Rambling s] OBC potential Gold on ebay I won't be bidding but if one of you wins it, I would take a share... Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2016, at 9:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 00:21:34 +0000 Subject: COMC questions From: Taylor Schock I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets on COMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let's say there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you have in your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all of them). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have so many days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you have to commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything inthe cart to ship as one order. Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Taylor Schock Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 00:32:49 +0000 Subject: Re: COMC questions From: richard dingman Here's my strategy in that exact situation... I make several extremely lowball offers on the cards I pick out (say 3 or 4or 5) as ones that would work for me (condition-wise), and then evaluate the replies. I believe the sellers have up to 3 days to respond, but often they do it immediately (if it has already been added into their auto replies) or else quite soon after, like within hours. Some sellers will not budge, others may reply with a relatively low price, so at least then you know what the "real" price of the card will be. Then re-evaluate which card you want. For instance, a card that is asking $1 may reply to a $0.11 offer with $0.85 and another asking $1.25 may reply with a comeback of $0.75. Now you have learned something valuable for free. This offer is good for 3 days unless someone else buys the card in the meantime, and you can choose to refuse it or accept it or counter or just let the offer expire. Once you commit to a price it goes in your bag and will stay there until you are ready to have all your purchases shipped. I always wait until they offer free shipping deals (like if you have 50 or some number of cards in your bag) which they do a couple times every year, I don't think I have ever paid for shipping and I have bought over 500 cards from them over the years, but then again, I am patient. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 7:21 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets on COMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let's say there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you have in your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all of them). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have so many days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you have to commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything inthe cart to ship as one order. Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:48:24 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions From: "Thomas W. Billing" I believe that bidding on COMC OBLIGATES you to buy the card. You actuallyhave to have enough funds in your kitty to cover the bid and once accepted, you won it. There are some unscrupulous seller like JoeslHitShow that see your offer, reject it, and then jack up the price of the card. I am documenting these occurrences with an intention of contacting the WA AG since COMC is there. They are just fine with this practice. I am not. Good luckwith your bidding as I have have TONES of cards bought from them. Tom Billing > On Dec 19, 2016, at 7:21 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets onCOMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... > How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let'ssay there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you havein your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all ofthem). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have somany days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you haveto commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything in the cart to ship as one order. > Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! > Regards, > Taylor ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 20:57:01 -0500 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en ALWAYS make an offer. My first offer is always something ridiculous. What happens when you do that, you get a note that says "The minimum offer for this card is $x.xx" At that point I decide if that minimum price is something I could live with (I may already have a higher number in my head). Offer the lowest. Sometimes they take it, sometimes they counter. If it's in my "higher" ball park, I may accept it, or counter again. I have a few really cool sellers that I know negotiate and will accept mostly their lowest acceptable number. If the seller accepts your offer, you just bought it. Seller has 3 days to get back to you, but usually you get an answer in 24 or so hours (I talked to COMC about this, they notify the seller mercilessly when they have an offer pending). And COMC customer service is top notch. I purchased a Stargell scratch off for Guru once, but they sent a 1970 instead the 71 listed. They refunded the price and told me to keep the card. During the past holiday, one of the sellers didn't respond to my bid in time for the free shipping. COMC added 3.99 to my bank so I could get the card shipped separately. And they are good dudes to talk to at the National. A great point, let em sit in your purchase cart for a while. If you don't need em right away, wait for a shipping deal or if you have a crazy amount of cards, the shipping is negligible. I have held cards close to 2 months before I had them shipped. Has anyone else noticed that the price of a bunch of cards has gone up? There are some things that used to be deals, but are way high now. Also, if anyone has had anything shipping during this holiday season, have you noticed that it is WAY slow? I have an order that I cleaned up like Nov 28th and am still waiting. Part of that group are cards for my Secret Santa. Last year I shipped on 12/8 and got them just in time to turnaround. This year is cutting it WAY to close for me, and I did it 10 days earlier. If you are looking for lots of commons or singles, check out justcommon s.com for newer stuff or sportslots.com. I have a few sellers I really like on Sportslots. Find one seller that has most of the cards you want. MAKE sure you check out the shipping charges! Many may be 6 bucks instead of 4 from COMC (depending on how many cards), but the price of commons are SO much lower that it makes up for it. And most sellers there offer you rebates, that you can use with that seller in the future. Also, you can make offers on the cards. Find one and if you are buying a bunch, tell him you have 25 cards from him and will he give a discount. Some/many will. They will takeit off one of the cards (say order is 50 bucks and he will give 10% off. He may say offer $5 for that $10 card. Barrier, lenscards, jetcards are 3 guys I have had a lot of success with. I am planning on hitting barrier with a bunch of hockey needs. Shipping a little higher, he has worked with me in the past and he offers "sportslot loot" (the rebate). Many of the commons go for .18-.50 as opposed to .75-1.25 on COMC. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/19/2016 7:21:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets on COMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let's say there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you have in your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all of them). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have so many days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you have to commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything in the cart to ship as one order. Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! ================= To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 03:10:06 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions From: Taylor Schock Thanks for all the responses, input, and opinions. MOST appreciated! Sportlots (and justcommons) won't really work for non-sports cards, BUT since Peter (and Sal) re-reminded me about sportlots, I've started working on a spreadsheet list of sports UV cards I need to complete a couple sets, andhave made good progress there. I've done the sportlots shipping cost benefit analysis dance before, but it's been awhile juggling sellers with their inventory. Still fun though. (I think I've used jetcards before and there were a few others I recognized, and happened to (still) have the cheap prices) Glad to hear that I can purchase cards on COMC but hold off shipping until I'm all done, especially if it will take a few weeks just to go through allI'm looking at. LOL I'm in no hurry for the stuff. Regarding Joelpoopooshow. Has anyone tried giving him an offer, and when hewent back and raised the price, giving him and offer LOWER than your original one? (is that even possible?) From: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:57 PM To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions ALWAYS make an offer. My first offer is always something ridiculous. What happens when you do that, you get a note that says "The minimum offer for this card is $x.xx" At that point I decide if that minimum price is somethingI could live with (I may already have a higher number in my head). Offer the lowest. Sometimes they take it, sometimes they counter. If it's in my "higher" ball park, I may accept it, or counter again. I have a few really cool sellers that I know negotiate and will accept mostly their lowest acceptable number. If the seller accepts your offer, you just bought it. Seller has 3 days to get back to you, but usually you get an answer in 24 or so hours (I talked to COMC about this, they notify the seller mercilessly when they have an offer pending). And COMC customer service is top notch. I purchased a Stargell scratch off for Guru once, but they sent a 1970 instead of the 71 listed. They refunded the price and told me to keep the card. During the past holiday, one of the sellers didn't respond to my bid in time for the free shipping. COMC added 3.99 to my bank so I could get the card shipped separately. And they are good dudes to talk to at the National. A great point, let em sit in your purchase cart for a while. If you don't need em right away, wait for a shipping deal or if you have a crazy amount of cards, the shipping is negligible. I have held cards close to 2 months before I had them shipped. Has anyone else noticed that the price of a bunch of cards has gone up? There are some things that used to be deals, but are way high now. Also, if anyone has had anything shipping during this holiday season, have you noticedthat it is WAY slow? I have an order that I cleaned up like Nov 28th and am still waiting. Part of that group are cards for my Secret Santa. Last year I shipped on 12/8 and got them just in time to turnaround. This year is cutting it WAY to close for me, and I did it 10 days earlier. If you are looking for lots of commons or singles, check out justcommons.com for newer stuff or sportslots.com. I have a few sellers I really like onSportslots. Find one seller that has most of the cards you want. MAKE sureyou check out the shipping charges! Many may be 6 bucks instead of 4 from COMC (depending on how many cards), but the price of commons are SO much lower that it makes up for it. And most sellers there offer you rebates, thatyou can use with that seller in the future. Also, you can make offers on the cards. Find one and if you are buying a bunch, tell him you have 25 cards from him and will he give a discount. Some/many will. They will take it off one of the cards (say order is 50 bucks and he will give 10% off. He maysay offer $5 for that $10 card. Barrier, lenscards, jetcards are 3 guys I have had a lot of success with. I am planning on hitting barrier with a bunch of hockey needs. Shipping a little higher, he has worked with me in the past and he offers "sportslot loot" (the rebate). Many of the commons go for .18-.50 as opposed to .75-1.25 on COMC. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/19/2016 7:21:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets on COMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let's say there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you have in your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all of them). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have so many days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you have to commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything inthe cart to ship as one order. Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:17:42 -0500 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Of course I have tried with JoelSHITshow! What happens is that his minimum acceptance number goes WAY up also. Whatta DOUCHE! We had a dealer here that used to post non-sport stuff (I forgot his name), but you can email him to see what kind of inventory he has in what you are looking for. Can someone refresh my memory? I know that a few of us bought T59 Flags of all Nations cards from him. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/19/2016 10:10:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com writes: Thanks for all the responses, input, and opinions. MOST appreciated! Sportlots (and justcommons) won't really work for non-sports cards, BUT since Peter (and Sal) re-reminded me about sportlots, I've started working on a spreadsheet list of sports UV cards I need to complete a couple sets, and have made good progress there. I've done the sportlots shipping cost benefit analysis dance before, but it's been awhile juggling sellers with their inventory. Still fun though. (I think I've used jetcards before and there were a few others I recognized, and happened to (still) have the cheap Glad to hear that I can purchase cards on COMC but hold off shipping until I'm all done, especially if it will take a few weeks just to go through all I'm looking at. LOL I'm in no hurry for the stuff. Regarding Joelpoopooshow. Has anyone tried giving him an offer, and when he went back and raised the price, giving him and offer LOWER than your original one? (is that even possible?) From: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:57 PM To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions ALWAYS make an offer. My first offer is always something ridiculous. What happens when you do that, you get a note that says "The minimum offer for this card is $x.xx" At that point I decide if that minimum price is something I could live with (I may already have a higher number in my head). Offer the lowest. Sometimes they take it, sometimes they counter. If it's in my "higher" ball park, I may accept it, or counter again. I have a few really cool sellers that I know negotiate and will accept mostly their lowest acceptable number. If the seller accepts your offer, you just bought it. Seller has 3 days to get back to you, but usually you get an answer in 24 or so hours (I talked to COMC about this, they notify the seller mercilessly when they have an offer pending). And COMC customer service is top notch. I purchased a Stargell scratch off for Guru once, but they sent a 1970 instead the 71 listed. They refunded the price and told me to keep the card. During the past holiday, one of the sellers didn't respond to my bid in time for the free shipping. COMC added 3.99 to my bank so I could get the card shipped separately. And they are good dudes to talk to at the National. A great point, let em sit in your purchase cart for a while. If you don't need em right away, wait for a shipping deal or if you have a crazy amount of cards, the shipping is negligible. I have held cards close to 2 months before I had them shipped. Has anyone else noticed that the price of a bunch of cards has gone up? There are some things that used to be deals, but are way high now. Also, if anyone has had anything shipping during this holiday season, have you noticed that it is WAY slow? I have an order that I cleaned up like Nov 28th and am still waiting. Part of that group are cards for my Secret Santa. Last year I shipped on 12/8 and got them just in time to turnaround. This year is cutting it WAY to close for me, and I did it 10 days earlier. If you are looking for lots of commons or singles, check out justcommons.com for newer stuff or sportslots.com. I have a few sellers Ireally on Sportslots. Find one seller that has most of the cards you want. MAKE sure you check out the shipping charges! Many may be 6 bucks instead of 4 from COMC (depending on how many cards), but the price of commons are SO much lower that it makes up for it. And most sellers there offer you rebates, that you can use with that seller in the future. Also, you can make offerson the cards. Find one and if you are buying a bunch, tell him you have 25 cards from him and will he give a discount. Some/many will. They will take it off one of the cards (say order is 50 bucks and he will give 10% off. He may say offer $5 for that $10 card. Barrier, lenscards, jetcards are 3 guysI have had a lot of success with. I am planning on hitting barrier with a bunch of hockey needs. Shipping a little higher, he has worked with me in the past and he offers "sportslot loot" (the rebate). Many of the commons go for .18-.50 as opposed to .75-1.25 on COMC. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/19/2016 7:21:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets on COMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let's say there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you have in your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all of them). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have so many days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you have to commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything in the cart to ship as one order. Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 22:26:06 -0500 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions From: "Thomas W. Billing" My latest game with him is to make offers on cards, having him reject the offer and raise the price, and then not buying it. I wonder if he notices. He works for eBay, FYI. I may try the suggestion of an even lower offer but sellers have a minimum offer usually so the low ball bid would likely getrejected. Tom Billing Sent from my iPad On Dec 19, 2016, at 10:17 PM, "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Of course I have tried with JoelSHITshow! What happens is that his minimum acceptance number goes WAY up also. Whatta DOUCHE! We had a dealer here that used to post non-sport stuff (I forgot his name), but you can email himto see what kind of inventory he has in what you are looking for. Can someone refresh my memory? I know that a few of us bought T59 Flags of all Nations cards from him. > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 12/19/2016 10:10:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com > Thanks for all the responses, input, and opinions. MOST appreciated! > Sportlots (and justcommons) won't really work for non-sports cards, BUT since Peter (and Sal) re-reminded me about sportlots, I've started working on a spreadsheet list of sports UV cards I need to complete a couple sets, and have made good progress there. I've done the sportlots shipping cost benefit analysis dance before, but it's been awhile juggling sellers with their inventory. Still fun though. (I think I've used jetcards before and therewere a few others I recognized, and happened to (still) have the cheap prices) > Glad to hear that I can purchase cards on COMC but hold off shipping until I'm all done, especially if it will take a few weeks just to go through all I'm looking at. LOL I'm in no hurry for the stuff. > Regarding Joelpoopooshow. Has anyone tried giving him an offer, and when he went back and raised the price, giving him and offer LOWER than your original one? (is that even possible?) > Regards, > Taylor > From: ChicoD1@aol.com > Sent: Monday, December 19, 2016 8:57 PM > To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] COMC questions > ALWAYS make an offer. My first offer is always something ridiculous. Whathappens when you do that, you get a note that says "The minimum offer for this card is $x.xx" At that point I decide if that minimum price is something I could live with (I may already have a higher number in my head). Offerthe lowest. Sometimes they take it, sometimes they counter. If it's in my "higher" ball park, I may accept it, or counter again. I have a few really cool sellers that I know negotiate and will accept mostly their lowest acceptable number. If the seller accepts your offer, you just bought it. Sellerhas 3 days to get back to you, but usually you get an answer in 24 or so hours (I talked to COMC about this, they notify the seller mercilessly when they have an offer pending). And COMC customer service is top notch. I purchased a Stargell scratch off for Guru once, but they sent a 1970 instead ofthe 71 listed. They refunded the price and told me to keep the card. During the past holiday, one of the sellers didn't respond to my bid in time forthe free shipping. COMC added 3.99 to my bank so I could get the card shipped separately. And they are good dudes to talk to at the National. > A great point, let em sit in your purchase cart for a while. If you don'tneed em right away, wait for a shipping deal or if you have a crazy amountof cards, the shipping is negligible. I have held cards close to 2 months before I had them shipped. > Has anyone else noticed that the price of a bunch of cards has gone up? There are some things that used to be deals, but are way high now. Also, if anyone has had anything shipping during this holiday season, have you noticed that it is WAY slow? I have an order that I cleaned up like Nov 28th andam still waiting. Part of that group are cards for my Secret Santa. Last year I shipped on 12/8 and got them just in time to turnaround. This year iscutting it WAY to close for me, and I did it 10 days earlier. > If you are looking for lots of commons or singles, check out justcommons.com for newer stuff or sportslots.com. I have a few sellers I really like on Sportslots. Find one seller that has most of the cards you want. MAKE sure you check out the shipping charges! Many may be 6 bucks instead of 4 from COMC (depending on how many cards), but the price of commons are SO much lower that it makes up for it. And most sellers there offer you rebates, that you can use with that seller in the future. Also, you can make offers onthe cards. Find one and if you are buying a bunch, tell him you have 25 cards from him and will he give a discount. Some/many will. They will take itoff one of the cards (say order is 50 bucks and he will give 10% off. He may say offer $5 for that $10 card. Barrier, lenscards, jetcards are 3 guys I have had a lot of success with. I am planning on hitting barrier with a bunch of hockey needs. Shipping a little higher, he has worked with me in the past and he offers "sportslot loot" (the rebate). Many of the commons go for .18-.50 as opposed to .75-1.25 on COMC. > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 12/19/2016 7:21:39 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > I was thinking about trying to finish out some junk UV non-sports sets onCOMC and had a few questions on making offers. A number of the cards I need are really only worth about a dime apiece, but if I only need 1 or 2, I'll pay 50 cents each just to finish the set, but NOT $1 apiece. In any case... > How does the make an offer actually work in the following scenario. Let'ssay there are about 20 'commons' from different sets/sellers that you havein your cart and you want to make an offer on a number of these (or all ofthem). How does that work once you make the offer? Does the seller have somany days/hours to get back to you? And once they do, how long do you haveto commit to the purchase? Especially in lieu of trying to get everything in the cart to ship as one order. > Maybe I should just ask this way. If you were going to make offers on a number of cards from different sellers for a single 'purchase', how would you go about doing it? Thanks! > Regards, > Taylor ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2016 23:13:20 -0500 Subject: Seasons Wishes and the 65-9 project update From: ED SCHOTT

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all my OBC brothers

Wishing  you and yours a safe and peaceful holiday season

Id also like to thanks everyone that has sent or traded cards with me this year

as well as years past.

Heres the latest 65 wantlist (ONLY  32.5   TOTAL CARDS LEFT TO GO) AND I AM WILLING TO PURCHASE

OR PAY YOU BACK(usually looking to pay  10% of book value)
Ed Schott's Wantlist 1965 9 cards to a sheet QUEST or 65-9Q 
NEED MULTIPLES OF THESE [#s I need just 1 or 2 more of are marked(1)or read -2 or -3 and so on.....
2-(5)LEADERS
  207-(3)ROSE
300-(3)KOUFAX 320-(1)GIBSON 350-(4)MANTLE 385-(2)YAZ
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================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 04:28:05 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: OBC grade 50s-60s star cards on reasonable BIN From: Matthew Glidden These BIN prices look OK for people who need one of those last Topps/Bowman http://www.ebay.com/sch/Baseball-Cards/213/m.html?_nkw&_armrs=1&_ipg&_from&_ssn=justcommons&_dcat=213&rt=nc&Season=1961%7C1959%7C1958%7C1956%7C1955%7C1954%7C1953%7C1952%7C%21 ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 00:23:16 -0500 To: james_moleta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: ShoelessWes These lots appear to maybe be SHILLED, as some has gone into every lot and submitted bids to exactly one tenth of a dollar amount. Look at all the bids. Unless there are multiple buyers that just so happen to bid to exactly adime, then it appears someone placed bids on all the lots to exactly end in ten cents. Sort of like having a reserve without having a reserve. Looks like shilling, unless someone can shed light to such astounding common bids? Maybe an investor wants to spend $5000 on low grade sixties stars for sets he already completed? Could be? Right? Or not............ Not! Wes Shepard > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: > (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay > While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller hasSEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. > (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... > An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960s including a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cards of > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo ================= To: ShoelessWes Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:04:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 09:15:29 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: Mike Glasser The bid at 356.10 on this lot is mine FYI. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD 14630 York Rd Sparks, MD 21152 > On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Could be, but.... > The person doing the xxx.10 bid has over 40K of feedback and NO previous bidding with this seller. 30 day summary, 890 bids on 860 different items. I don't think it's an 'investor' per se, just someone looking to buy up some inventory. The 10 cents could be his SOP for bidding over the whole dollar amount. I know of one person that bids 88 cents as his 'default', non-whole dollar bid. > If anyone, I'd be more inclined to look at s***p( 2561) with his constant$5 and $10 bumps seconds apart (probably mobile bidding though), who, if not a shill, is bumping it up for everyone. Specific to the referenced lot, there are probably 5-6 cards alone that would bring the price to $300, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this past $450 when done. > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:23 AM > To: james_moleta@hotmail.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay > These lots appear to maybe be SHILLED, as some has gone into every lot and submitted bids to exactly one tenth of a dollar amount. Look at all the bids. Unless there are multiple buyers that just so happen to bid to exactlya dime, then it appears someone placed bids on all the lots to exactly endin ten cents. Sort of like having a reserve without having a reserve. Looks like shilling, unless someone can shed light to such astounding common bids? > Maybe an investor wants to spend $5000 on low grade sixties stars for sets he already completed? Could be? Right? Or not............ Not! > Wes Shepard > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay >> While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller has SEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... >> An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960sincluding a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cardsof >> View on www.ebay.com >> Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 10:39:07 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay From: ShoelessWes Ok, good to see a more detailed reference, Taylor. So thanks. Wes Shepard > On Dec 20, 2016, at 9:04 AM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Could be, but.... > The person doing the xxx.10 bid has over 40K of feedback and NO previous bidding with this seller. 30 day summary, 890 bids on 860 different items. I don't think it's an 'investor' per se, just someone looking to buy up some inventory. The 10 cents could be his SOP for bidding over the whole dollar amount. I know of one person that bids 88 cents as his 'default', non-whole dollar bid. > If anyone, I'd be more inclined to look at s***p( 2561) with his constant$5 and $10 bumps seconds apart (probably mobile bidding though), who, if not a shill, is bumping it up for everyone. Specific to the referenced lot, there are probably 5-6 cards alone that would bring the price to $300, and I wouldn't be surprised to see this past $450 when done. > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 12:23 AM > To: james_moleta@hotmail.com > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC potential Gold on ebay > These lots appear to maybe be SHILLED, as some has gone into every lot and submitted bids to exactly one tenth of a dollar amount. Look at all the bids. Unless there are multiple buyers that just so happen to bid to exactlya dime, then it appears someone placed bids on all the lots to exactly endin ten cents. Sort of like having a reserve without having a reserve. Looks like shilling, unless someone can shed light to such astounding common bids? > Maybe an investor wants to spend $5000 on low grade sixties stars for sets he already completed? Could be? Right? Or not............ Not! > Wes Shepard > On Dec 18, 2016, at 10:25 PM, james_moleta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> The only thing this seller didn't do was type OBC somewhere in the listing: >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROBINSON ROOKIE, MANTLE, MAYS, AARON) | eBay >> While this lot has a way to go (just under two days left), the seller has SEVEN lots, all similar. Maybe somebody in the group jumps on one or splits one up. >> (45) SUPERSTAR VINTAGE BASEBALL CARDS (ROB... >> An amazing lot of (45) superstar baseball cards from the 1950s and 1960sincluding a 1957 Topps Brooks Robinson Rookie (nice card), and early cardsof >> View on www.ebay.com >> Preview by Yahoo ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:42:22 +0000 Subject: 1955 Bowman Tom Alston From: Aaron Shirley I recently got a 1955 Bowman Tom Alston card. No big deal, but maybe you didn't know: Tom was the first African-American St. Louis Cardinal. Four seasons as the backup 1B behind some schlub named Stanley Frank Musial (translation: they didn't need him much). And because he didn't play much, he had only 5 cards. And the 55 Bowman is the only "main" card. The others are, I guess you would say, oddball cards. His bio and baseball career: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/alstoto01.shtml His very short list of cards: http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Person.cfm/pid/98/Tom-Alston- Just thought I would bring some light to this guy. Have a merry Christmas. ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2016 21:31:04 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: 2016-17 NFL Playoff Pool - 1st call From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Howdy Sports Fans: Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. Once you pick your players, you just sit back and watch - no weekly changes. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with close to that number already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYING ASAP. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it (like the Bears and Browns), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. The should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Your card prize must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 6, 2016 and mailed to me at the address below. If the playoffs started today, the schedule would look like this: AFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Miami at 3 Pittsburgh, 5 Kansas City at 4 Houston (1 New England and 2 Oakland each have a BYE) AFC Week 2: 1 New England at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Oakland at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Tampa Bay at 3 Atlanta, 5 New York Giants at 4 Detroit (1 Dallas and 2 Seattle each have a BYE) NFC Week 2: 1 Dallas at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Seattle at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 7-8 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Make sure to include position, name and ranking. Include first name of player if there are more than one with the same last name on the team. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 entry fee must be received via Paypal by 10 AM Central on January 7 and your prize card must be postmarked no later than January 6. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 60% of the cards, 2nd place gets 30%, 3rd place gets 10% (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before 2 PM CST. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. Your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family by 10 AM Central on Saturday, January 7, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 on Friday, January 6, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM CST. Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: 20 Dec 2016 21:33:19 -0800 To: Subject: Santa quesrion From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 05:41:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santa quesrion From: Aaron Shirley What a wonderful problem to have. I think we should just let you wonder. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2016 11:33 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Santa quesrion I have received 3 packages - two I think from OBC and another from a different If someone could help me out and tell me which are which. One is pst marked Evansville , In another posted from the north pole - se division - Carolinas and the last from Kings park Please let me know which ones aare which. Thank you, Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 04:43:20 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: SGC submission or (Marsha Marsha Marsha) From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Notified by email that my latest submission to SGC arrived yesterday, December special $8 a card with a 20 day turn around. You do not need to be a =E2=9Cclub=E2=9D member. You can send ten cards before a slight jump in return postage costs. Here are the ten cards I sent: 1-6 cards 1-6 were 1911 T205 Gold Bordered cards (Cady Shean Kleinow Leifield Pfiester and Rucker) these are the last cards I needed to get =E2=9Cslabbed=E2=9D to complete my Gold Bordered set, ALL SGC slabbed! 7. 1949 Bowman #50 Jackie Robinson RC (bought =E2=9Craw=E2=9D on eBay expect a 10 POOR if lucky) 8. 1952 Topps #163 Rojek this is the rare =E2=9Cgray=E2=9D back card I found in the $5 bin at =E2=9CThe Villages=E2=9D show a few months ago. (maybe a 20 FAIR) 9. 1971 Topps Brady Bunch #65 =E2=9CMeet Marsha Brady=E2=9D (card was a beauty, just like Marsha 50 VG/EX) 10. 1971 Topps Brady Bunch #65 =E2=9CMeet Marsha Brady=E2=9D (card was a beauty just like Marsha 50 VG/EX) Marsha! Marsha! Marsha! ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 06:53:43 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santa quesrion From: Ken M Richard,  According to the (carefully honed and crafted) "rules", the package needs to be clearly marked "DO NOT OPEN", otherwise it's fair game. The one postmarked from the North Pole might be the one though. I usually gift wrap my package inside and mark it. You never know when the overwhelming excitement of getting cards in the mail will get the better of someone and they tear into something before reading who sent it (or overlook the warning on the outside of the package/envelope). I'm sure it almost never happens though... certainly never to me. (I may be suffering from selective memory however.) Worst case scenario, you accidentally open your gift - set it aside, wait 4 days before crossing it off your list and sending out thanks. That part comes fairly natural to me unfortunately. Ken M Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Dec 21, 2016 12:33 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Santa quesrion I have received 3 packages - two I think from OBC and another from a different group. If someone could help me out and tell me which are which. One is pst marked  Evansville , In another posted from the north pole - se division - Carolinas and the  last from Kings park Please let me know which ones aare which. Thank you, Richard Labs ================= Date: 21 Dec 2016 06:51:53 -0800 To: Subject: Yikes, and you thought you were late sometimes From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 07:57:58 -0800 Subject: Reminder for RAOKs and mail From: "George Vrechek" We are away from home for two more months. If you send something to our home, my neighbor will hang onto it for me, but it would help if you email me as to what you've sent. I can thank you, update my wantlists, and try to return fire without the cardboard being forwarded - sort of like Topps' virtual collection idea. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 16:11:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminder for RAOKs and mail From: Aaron Shirley I should probably say too, we are out of town until after the new year. I will not be able to thank my Santa until I get home. So if that's you... allis well. I'm just on a much-needed vacation in South Carolina!!! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 21, 2016, at 10:58 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] > We are away from home for two more months. If you send something to our home, my neighbor will hang onto it for me, but it would help if you email me as to what you've sent. I can thank you, update my wantlists, and try to return fire without the cardboard being forwarded - sort of like Topps' virtual collection idea. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 19:07:09 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Small pre-Christmas waiver wire 57 and 58 contest cards From: Picked up a small lot of cards. Have 3 dupes that might be of interest, but too hard to find on wantlists 1. 1957 Topps Contest car for May 25th. Score has been written in 2. 1957 Topps Contest car for May 25th. Appears not to have score written in 3. 1958 Bazooka baseball contest. Your chance to win one of 3 great prizes, including FIVE dollars/week every week from the All-Star game until Christmas! As usual, one to a customer, and please include your mailing address with your request. Those who I am indebted to (quite a list) will have first priority. Merry Christmas, ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 12:07:23 -0800 Subject: Like finishing a set From: "George Vrechek" I was given a smattering of 1951 Topps Ringside boxing cards in the 1970s. In the 1990s, I think, I started including the rest of the set on my wantlists. Somewhere along the line I picked up Louis and I think I had Marciano to start with. I chipped away at the high numbers and got down to 3 or 4 cards several years ago. For the last few years I have "just" needed #95 Tunney and #49 Murphy. This week I found a battered Tunney on eBay and knocked him off my list. Bob Murphy, however, has never appeared at a reasonable price. He is the first card of the second series; perhaps he got very short printed to create a scarcity, but I'm skeptical of that story. The near-mint price according to PSA is $900. Fortunately, I have a section of my wantlist called "Cards with Real Silly Prices." Murphy is the perfect example of a card that should be on such a list and I promptly moved him to the list along with the Mantles, DiMaggios and Williams cards that I have stopped looking for. So, it is almost like finishing the 1951 Topps Ringside set after 40 plus years. Yea! The intentional gremlin. I knew this group would understand. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 18:17:31 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: 2016-17 Playoff Pool - Entry Fee Update From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en sorry to bother you two days in a row, but since the same question keeps coming up, I am making this contest easier to join. If you prefer to pay a $10 entry fee instead of coming up with a $10 valued vintage card, you may do so. Your money will be returned as part of your winnings if you are a prize winner. If you prefer to use a $10 condition adjusted value vintage card as your entry fee, you are still welcome to do so. Everything else remains the same. We already have plenty of interest, so it looks like this should be a great contest this year, and hopefully, your choice of entry fee options will make it even better. Remember, the more participants we have, the more winners there are. Howdy Sports Fans: Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. Once you pick your players, you just sit back and watch - no weekly changes. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with close to that number already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYING ASAP. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it (like the Bears and Browns), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. The should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Your card prize must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 6, 2016 and mailed to me at the address below. NOTE: SEE TOP OF THIS EMAIL FOR A CASH OPTION FOR THE ENTRY FEE IF If the playoffs started today, the schedule would look like this: AFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Miami at 3 Pittsburgh, 5 Kansas City at 4 Houston (1 New England and 2 Oakland each have a BYE) AFC Week 2: 1 New England at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Oakland at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Tampa Bay at 3 Atlanta, 5 New York Giants at 4 Detroit (1 Dallas and 2 Seattle each have a BYE) NFC Week 2: 1 Dallas at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Seattle at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 7-8 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Make sure to include position, name and ranking. Include first name of player if there are more than one with the same last name on the team. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 entry fee must be received via Paypal by 10 AM Central on January 7 and your prize card must be postmarked no later than January 6. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 60% of the cards, 2nd place gets 30%, 3rd place gets 10% (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before 2 PM CST. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. Your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family by 10 AM Central on Saturday, January 7, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 on Friday, January 6, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM CST. Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 15:39:58 -0800 Subject: New ARTICLE From: "George Vrechek" And I forgot to mention, I have a newly published SCD article on our Library page about Sy Berger, autograph shows, Palmer, Pirus, and prices. Thanks Wayne, for posting it. http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/Odds_and_Ends_2016_for_OBC.pdf George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 20:43:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ray Luurs email From: ChicoD1@aol.com Any have this updated? The one on our web site says it doesn't exist. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2016 23:35:44 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New York City Trip From: MARK TALBOT MIME-Version: 1.0 > Hello Fellas, Donna and I will be heading out in 3 1/2 hours for the drive to NYC tovisit our daughter Kendall. I don't know if i will have any time to exit the city as I did in July but if you find yourself in Manhattan through the29th look me up at (586) 306-6033. Perhaps a lunch or morning coffee can be squeezed into our stay. When I travel with "she who must be obeyed" especially when visiting our daughter there is not a lot of free time - and Donna has very little interest in listening to me babble about sports (much less cardboard pictures of old men). Still if interested in meeting up I may be able to swing it so just give me a call. BE WELL and MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!! REGARDS ------------------------------------ MARK > --------------------------------------------- > Reply via web post https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/conversations/messages/36585;_ylcX3oDMTJxbHIwdTBxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycEl= > =E2=A2 Reply to sender mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com?subjectRe%3A%20Ray%20Luurs%20email > =E2=A2 Reply to group mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com?subjectRe%3A%20Ray%20Luurs%20email > =E2=A2 Start a New Topic https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/conversations/newtopic;_ylcX3oDMTJlYTQzNmRtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGd= > =E2=A2 Messages in this topic https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/conversations/topics/36585;_ylcX3oDMTM2MWNyZW4wBF9TAzk3Mz= > --------------------------------------------- > Have you tried the highest rated email app? https://yho.com/1wwmgg > With 4.5 stars in iTunes, the Yahoo Mail app is the highest rated email app on the market. What are you waiting for? 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Groups] https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylcX3oDMTJka2hncDY2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xr= > =E2=A2 Privacy https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html =E2=A2 Unsubscribe mailto:OBC-Ramblings-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subjectUnsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ > . ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 15:35:31 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: home for the holidays From: mark holland i got home early this morning after a 14 hour drive from Vicksburg to Wilmington. Here is a pic of how my wife saved everything for me. Specific thanks to follow but just wanted to tell the group that I appreciatetheir hospitality.Mark H. ================= Date: 22 Dec 2016 08:03:27 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Ray Luurs email From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 12:27:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Goudey Gehrig From: ChicoD1@aol.com Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy price and if anyone is interested in it... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:11:01 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig From: chris tripler I say we buy it as an OBC card and send it to someone new every month. Ha ha Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2016, at 12:27 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy priceand if anyone is interested in it... > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 13:14:22 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig From: chris tripler Last couple on eBay sold in low 600s. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 22, 2016, at 12:27 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy priceand if anyone is interested in it... > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:33:55 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig From: Mac Wubben Mike is a great guy...and I trust him. I don't like the look of this Gehrig though. I might have been wrong once or twice however. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:27 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy price and if anyone is interested in it... [cid:X.MA1.1482427674@aol.com]Sal Domino [cid:X.MA2.1482427674@aol.com]OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:45:48 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig From: Taylor Schock ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:51:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig [2 Attachments] From: Taylor Schock I noticed that too, but didn't have a copy handy. And I thought the REPRINTwas under the INDIAN GUM, or at least I thought I remembered seeing those that way before. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; ChicoD1@aol.com; Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from familytoad@comcast.net included below] The scratched out area on the lower section of the back is a tell tale sign..right where it says Goudey Gum. NEVER trust a Goudey or Diamond Star card that has a scratch in that area...underneath there is where it is written "REPRINT" It's not a coincidence that this area is purposely scratched out ! Run away. OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: December 22, 2016 at 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig Mike is a great guy...and I trust him. I don't like the look of this Gehrig though. I might have been wrong once or twice however. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:27 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy price and if anyone is interested in it... [cid:X.MA1.1482427674@aol.com]Sal Domino [cid:X.MA2.1482427674@aol.com]OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 14:55:28 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Fwd: Goudey-Gehrig From: Joel Freedman Here is some work I did on the Al Simmons - Goudey......... ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 20:30:31 +0000 To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig [2 Attachments] From: Matthew Glidden Here's a good guide to this card specifically: http://bbcemporium.com/1933-goudey-lou-gehrig-counterfeit-guide/ Agreed the dimensions of the card and details of the printing point to it being a counterfeit. On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 2:43 PM familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#m_3810408148468515239_TopText> from > familytoad@comcast.net included below] > The scratched out area on the lower section of the back is a tell tale > sign..right where it says Goudey Gum. > NEVER trust a Goudey or Diamond Star card that has a scratch in that > area...underneath there is where it is written "REPRINT" > It's not a coincidence that this area is purposely scratched out ! > Run away. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com > *Sent: *December 22, 2016 at 11:36 AM > *Subject: *Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig > Mike is a great guy...and I trust him. I don't like the look of this > Gehrig though. I might have been wrong once or twice however. > Mac > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:27 PM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig > Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy price > and if anyone is interested in it... > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 22 Dec 2016 16:29:18 -0800 To: Subject: Some waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2016 19:48:04 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig [2 Attachments] From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Seems to me the clear thing for Mike to do on this card is to get it at least authenticated based on the feed back here. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/22/2016 3:31:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, familytoad@comcast.net writes: True about the reprint being lower...I have seen it next to "Goudey" or under " Indian", somewhere I have an example! OBC FOrever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Taylor Schock To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com, Mac Wubben, Sent: December 22, 2016 at 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig [2 Attachments] I noticed that too, but didn't have a copy handy. And I thought the REPRINT was under the INDIAN GUM, or at least I thought I remembered seeingthose that way before. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 2:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; ChicoD1@aol.com; Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig [2 Attachments] [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0e6b4de0/default.html#TopText) from familytoad@comcast.net included below] The scratched out area on the lower section of the back is a tell tale sign..right where it says Goudey Gum. NEVER trust a Goudey or Diamond Star card that has a scratch in that area...underneath there is where it is written "REPRINT" It's not a coincidence that this area is purposely scratched out ! Run away. OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: December 22, 2016 at 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig Mike is a great guy...and I trust him. I don't like the look of this Gehrig though. I might have been wrong once or twice however. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2016 12:27 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Gehrig Mike McCann contacted me about this card. Wants to know the OBC buy price and if anyone is interested in it... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:02:41 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Help finding a recurring print defect From: Patrick Prickett As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appearson 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But I am still missing two: 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); and 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting the aid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grab them for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. Thanks for your help!Patrick ================= Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 08:25:46 -0800 To: Patrick Prickett Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: Stamper Hi Patrick Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: 195 Minoso 216 Ashburn John Stamper On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Hi, > As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). > Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appears on 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But Iam still missing two: > 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); > 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). > I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting the aid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grab them for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. > Thanks for your help! > Patrick ================= To: Patrick Prickett Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 16:47:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: richard dingman Can you tell us what are the other 22 cards that have the heavy red line? Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:25 AM To: Patrick Prickett Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect Hi Patrick Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: 195 Minoso 216 Ashburn John Stamper On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appearson 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But I am still missing two: 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting theaid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grabthem for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. Thanks for your help! ================= Date: 23 Dec 2016 08:56:36 -0800 To: Subject: Huntsville meet up From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= To: richard dingman , Patrick Prickett Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:43:21 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: Mac Wubben I found a 205 in my set, but no luck with the ones you needed. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 3:28 PM To: richard dingman Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect Since so many have asked, these print defects come from the 4th series (only) and they are on all cards ending in 1, 5, 6, and/or 0. This is why I know that Ashburn and Minoso must exist. In other words, you had a continuous red line that went from 191 Berra, to 201 Kellner, to 211 Coleman, to 221 Hamner, to 231 Zoldak, to 241 Byrne (hardest to find as it is a short print). 195 Minoso, 205 King, 215 Bauer, 225 Baumholtz, 235 Dropo, 245 Robertson (this print defect is hard to spot on a few of these cards - but very easy tosee on 225 and 235). 196 Hemus, 206 Ostrowski, 216 Ashburn, 226 Philley, 236 Fitzgerald, 246 Kell (surprisingly - there are many of these and it's a short print) 200 Houk (and for those of you chasing the white background variation - just take a pink one and leave it in the sun - you'll get you white version inno time!), 210 Fowler, 220 Presko, 230 Batts, 240 Phillips, 250 Erskine (much harder than his blue nose variation!) I don't have any scans and these cards are in storage - so that will have to come sometime after the holidays. But like I said, I KNOW Minoso and Ashburn must exist - but I've never seenthem. And to be clear - I do not view these as Variations. These are a print defect. The line ran through 6 consecutive cards because there was a problem with the roller. This wasn't an intended variation where topps changed things. It was a matter of there being a printing glitch made at the beginning or end of a print run. On Friday, December 23, 2016 8:51 AM, "richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Can you tell us what are the other 22 cards that have the heavy red line? Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:25 AM To: Patrick Prickett Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect Hi Patrick Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: 195 Minoso 216 Ashburn John Stamper On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appearson 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But I am still missing two: 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting theaid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grabthem for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. Thanks for your help! ================= Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 20:49:46 +0000 (UTC) To: Patrick Prickett , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: Geno Wagner The dreaded red tints...you've just made half the group insane. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 14:31, Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Oh, and if you can still see this after the sale, here's an example of the Hamner: http://www.comc.com/ItemDetails.aspx?item32158629 On Friday, December 23, 2016 12:28 PM, Patrick Prickett Since so many have asked, these print defects come from the 4th series (only) and they are on all cards ending in 1, 5, 6, and/or 0. This is whyI know that Ashburn and Minoso must exist. In other words, you had a continuous red line that went from 191 Berra, to 201 Kellner, to 211 Coleman, to 221 Hamner, to 231 Zoldak, to 241 Byrne (hardest to find as it is a short print). 195 Minoso, 205 King, 215 Bauer, 225 Baumholtz, 235 Dropo, 245 Robertson (this print defect is hard to spot on a few of these cards - but very easy tosee on 225 and 235). 196 Hemus, 206 Ostrowski, 216 Ashburn, 226 Philley, 236 Fitzgerald, 246 Kell (surprisingly - there are many of these and it's a short print) 200 Houk (and for those of you chasing the white background variation - just take a pink one and leave it in the sun - you'll get you white version inno time!), 210 Fowler, 220 Presko, 230 Batts, 240 Phillips, 250 Erskine (much harder than his blue nose variation!) I don't have any scans and these cards are in storage - so that will have to come sometime after the holidays. But like I said, I KNOW Minoso and Ashburn must exist - but I've never seenthem. And to be clear - I do not view these as Variations. These are a print defect. The line ran through 6 consecutive cards because there was a problem with the roller. This wasn't an intended variation where topps changed things. It was a matter of there being aprinting glitch made at the beginning or end of a print run. On Friday, December 23, 2016 8:51 AM, "richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Patrick,Can you tell us what are the other 22 cards that have the heavy redline?Richard From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:25 AM To: Patrick Prickett Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defectHi Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: 195 Minoso 216 Ashburn John Stamper On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appearson 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But I am still missing two: 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); and 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting the aid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grab them for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. Thanks for your help!Patrick ================= To: , Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 12:59:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: "Grant Rainsley" I believe the correct form of the word is =E2=9Cinsaner.=E2=9D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 12:50 PM To: Patrick Prickett; Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]; richard dingman Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect The dreaded red tints...you've just made half the group insane. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android Oh, and if you can still see this after the sale, here's an example of the Hamner: http://www.comc.com/ItemDetails.aspx?item32158629 On Friday, December 23, 2016 12:28 PM, Patrick Prickett Since so many have asked, these print defects come from the 4th series (only) and they are on all cards ending in 1, 5, 6, and/or 0. This is why I know that Ashburn and Minoso must exist. In other words, you had a continuous red line that went from 191 Berra, to 201 Kellner, to 211 Coleman, to 221 Hamner, to 231 Zoldak, to 241 Byrne (hardest to find as it is a short print). 195 Minoso, 205 King, 215 Bauer, 225 Baumholtz, 235 Dropo, 245 Robertson (this print defect is hard to spot on a few of these cards - but very easy tosee on 225 and 235). 196 Hemus, 206 Ostrowski, 216 Ashburn, 226 Philley, 236 Fitzgerald, 246 Kell (surprisingly - there are many of these and it's a short print) 200 Houk (and for those of you chasing the white background variation - just take a pink one and leave it in the sun - you'll get you white version inno time!), 210 Fowler, 220 Presko, 230 Batts, 240 Phillips, 250 Erskine (much harder than his blue nose variation!) I don't have any scans and these cards are in storage - so that will have to come sometime after the holidays. But like I said, I KNOW Minoso and Ashburn must exist - but I've never seenthem. And to be clear - I do not view these as Variations. These are a print defect. The line ran through 6 consecutive cards because there was a problem with the roller. This wasn't an intended variation where topps changed things. It was a matter of there being a printing glitch made at the beginning or end of a print run. On Friday, December 23, 2016 8:51 AM, "richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Can you tell us what are the other 22 cards that have the heavy red line? Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:25 AM To: Patrick Prickett Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect Hi Patrick Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: 195 Minoso 216 Ashburn John Stamper On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appearson 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But I am still missing two: 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting theaid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grabthem for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. Thanks for your help! ================= Date: 23 Dec 2016 13:54:25 -0800 To: Subject: 2017 Collecting goals (I know it's early) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 17:15:49 -0500 To: jehutch75@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting goals (I know it's early) From: Mike Glasser I've always admired those of you who collect in an orderly and organized fashion. I take the shotgun approach and collect it all and always. However, that doesn't work as well when you start getting to the more valuable anddifficult cards so my only defined goal this year is to finish at least 2 more 70's sets (baseball or football) and finish 2 60's sets. I don't haveany defined goals for non-sports. I would like to take this opportunity to thank OBC for 1 - accepting me into the group. It has only been in the last few weeks that I've understood that this group really does vet you and that not everyone gets in. I'm really honored to have made it through that process. I know that there was some question as to my intent when I first sent out cards unannounced asking for support and inclusion. And 2 - thanks to everyone for your generosity. It is so cool to receive cards, even more fun to send them and I enjoy reading the thank-you's. You guys are awesome and I couldn't imagine a nicer group of people. We are headed to Key West for a week on Tuesday so I'll have the opportunity to open my OBC Santa gift before I leave. Thanks again to everyone and Ilook forward to an even better 2nd year with you. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 23, 2016 4:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting goals (I know it's early) I will preface this by saying I would love to read about other's goals as well. As always, getting closer on my sets is the overall goal, but I have afew specific goals for this year. I did not make any specific 2016 goals that I can recall. 1. Find a 1958 Topps Jim Brown rookie and finish that set 2. Get my 1959 Topps baseball set down to under 10 needs, if not finish it 3. Tall boys. I realized how much I love these sets when I finished my 70-71 basketball set earlier this year. I want to try and finish the 69-70 set,and work on the 64-65 hockey tallboys, and maybe even start the football set 4. More waivers and more cards sent to members. I dont feel like I sent outenough this year, and I want to work on that 5. Streamlining. There are some sets on my want list that I dont really care if i finish or not. Instead of working on them and using my resources towards those sets, I hope to cull a few sets from the list and focus my collecting a bit more. Going for sure, the 75 Topps minis. I realize I dont love the set- so look for lots of waivers from that set 6. Get everything sorted, in binders, and organized. This is last for a reason- I dont know if I will finish this by the end of 2017, or ever- but it's a good goal to have. Who else has made some collecting goals? Ed Hutchinson ================= Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2016 17:33:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: From Mike McCann From: ChicoD1@aol.com Once again I can always rely on the OBC guys for help. Luckily I have not purchased the card yet. The local store owner offered it to me and with the condition it was in, I thought of you guys. I will certainly send this link to him and hopefully he can get his money back. Thanks again for the help and Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everyone in the group!! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 08:02:35 -0800 Subject: Re: Help finding a recurring print defect From: "George Vrechek" The Hammer that was mentioned doesn't pop up anymore on COMC. Patrick, now that you have all the master set collectors fired up, could you post a photo of what the red line looks like? I've never heard of it and I don't have my cards with me. It apparently is not a print line at the border of the sheet that would appear if the cards were off-center? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:02:23 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: '66 Topps waiver From: Gary Beard Not sure where I ended my summer waiver wires, so I'll pick it up at 1966. Here are my '66 Topps baseball dupes, all in less than VG condition, and I didn't see any that were even close to VG. 1966 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 8 Floyd Robinson Chicago White Sox 29 Mike Brumley Washington Senators 65 Leon Wagner Cleveland Indians 74 Don Mossi Kansas City Athletics 78 Frank Linzy San Francisco Giants 95 Pete Richert Washington Senators 122 Joe Gaines Houston Astros 141 Tom McCraw Chicago White Sox 176 Jim Davenport San Francisco Giants 190 Jimmie Hall Minnesota Twins 230 Johnny Callison Philadelphia Phillies 264 Kosco/Uhlaender Minnesota Twins 271 Hal Lanier San Francisco Giants 274 Buster Narum Washington Senators Please include your mailing address. Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:04:09 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1965 Topps waiver wire From: Gary Beard Here are my 1965 Topps baseball waivers: 1965 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 31 Mike White Houston Astros 68 Del Crandall San Francisco Giants 87 Nelson Matthews Kansas City Athletics 90 Rich Rollins Minnesota Twins 168 Dick Green Kansas City Athletics 265 Jim Pagliaroni Pittsburgh Pirates Merry Christmas, and please include your mailing address, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:06:54 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1964 Topps Waiver Wire From: Gary Beard Here's a few '64 Topps baseball waivers (again, all less than VG): 1964 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 24 Carl Sawatski St. Louis Cardinals 153 Dick Williams Boston Red Sox 159 Charlie Dees Los Angeles Angels 172 Indians Team Cleveland Indians 174 Doc Edwards Kansas City Athletics 274 Checklist 265-352 None Merry Christmas, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 10:12:17 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1963 Fleer waiver wire From: Gary Beard Here's a couple 1963 Fleer from the dupes box. 1963 Fleer Baseball Number Name Team 31 Glen Hobbie Chicago Cubs 36 Joe Amalfitano San Francisco Giants 39 Al Spangler Houston Colt .45's 44 Frank Bolling Milwaukee Braves 47 Roger Craig New York Mets 48 Al Jackson New York Mets 47 & 48 are VG'ish, the rest...not so much. Please include your address, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 13:17:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Help finding a recurring print defect From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Time to adjust the ol' 52T master list from 556 to 578. I need a drink! And to think, I haven't even started the Kelloggs sets yet! And I have to collect 4 sets of each year Red Man. I am going to haunt Ken Morganti forever for kicking up my cardboard OCD :-) ! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/24/2016 11:02:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: The Hammer that was mentioned doesn=E2=99t pop up anymore on COMC. Patrick, that you have all the master set collectors fired up, could you post a photo of what the red line looks like? I=E2=99ve never heard of it and Idon=E2=99t have my cards with me. It apparently is not a print line at the border of the sheet that would appear if the cards were off-center? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 13:38:10 -0500 To: Patrick Prickett Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: "Thomas W. Billing" I have a #280 Cloyd Boyer with a red line at the bottom. I have posted in on the net54 site. Thoughts? Tom Billing > On Dec 23, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Oh, and if you can still see this after the sale, here's an example of the > http://www.comc.com/ItemDetails.aspx?item32158629 > On Friday, December 23, 2016 12:28 PM, Patrick Prickett > wrote: > Hi, > Since so many have asked, these print defects come from the 4th series (only) and they are on all cards ending in 1, 5, 6, and/or 0. This is why I know that Ashburn and Minoso must exist. > In other words, you had a continuous red line that went from 191 Berra, to 201 Kellner, to 211 Coleman, to 221 Hamner, to 231 Zoldak, to 241 Byrne (hardest to find as it is a short print). > 195 Minoso, 205 King, 215 Bauer, 225 Baumholtz, 235 Dropo, 245 Robertson (this print defect is hard to spot on a few of these cards - but very easy to see on 225 and 235). > 196 Hemus, 206 Ostrowski, 216 Ashburn, 226 Philley, 236 Fitzgerald, 246 Kell (surprisingly - there are many of these and it's a short print) > 200 Houk (and for those of you chasing the white background variation - just take a pink one and leave it in the sun - you'll get you white version in no time!), 210 Fowler, 220 Presko, 230 Batts, 240 Phillips, 250 Erskine (much harder than his blue nose variation!) > I don't have any scans and these cards are in storage - so that will haveto come sometime after the holidays. > But like I said, I KNOW Minoso and Ashburn must exist - but I've never seen > And to be clear - I do not view these as Variations. These are a print defect. The line ran through 6 consecutive cards because there was a problem with the roller. This wasn't an intended variation where topps changed things. It was a matter of there being a printing glitch made at the beginning or end of a print run. > Cheers, > Patrick > On Friday, December 23, 2016 8:51 AM, "richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: > Patrick, > Can you tell us what are the other 22 cards that have the heavy red line? > Richard D > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:25 AM > To: Patrick Prickett > Cc: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect > Hi Patrick > Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: > 195 Minoso > 216 Ashburn > John Stamper > On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: >> Hi, >> As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). >> Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appears on 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. But I am still missing two: >> 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); >> 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). >> I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlisting the aid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grab them for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do nothave photographic evidence. >> Thanks for your help! >> Patrick ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 13:42:42 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Help Needed From: "Thomas W. Billing" This is probably a laughable request but I am short just these two cards ofcompleting a goal. This is assuming my COMC order and eBay order come to pass, which they likely will. If anyone has anything they would be willingto sell, please let me know. I am putting together Post cereal sets of Cincinnati Reds only and need twotoughies to complete the three-year run. I need 1961 #183 Roy McMillan and 1963 # 128 Eddie Kasko. Both are SPs (I must not have eaten the right cereal as a kid) and Kasko is eye-popping on the sites. I appreciate any help or leads. Thanks, and Merry Christmas. Tom Billing ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:20:03 -0800 To: "Thomas W. Billing" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect From: Rick Where did you post it on net54 Sent from my iPad > On Dec 24, 2016, at 10:38 AM, 'Thomas W. Billing' twbilling@sbcglobal.net[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have a #280 Cloyd Boyer with a red line at the bottom. I have posted in on the net54 site. Thoughts? > Tom Billing >> On Dec 23, 2016, at 3:31 PM, Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Oh, and if you can still see this after the sale, here's an example of the >> http://www.comc.com/ItemDetails.aspx?item32158629 >> On Friday, December 23, 2016 12:28 PM, Patrick Prickett >> Hi, >> Since so many have asked, these print defects come from the 4th series (only) and they are on all cards ending in 1, 5, 6, and/or 0. This is why Iknow that Ashburn and Minoso must exist. >> In other words, you had a continuous red line that went from 191 Berra, to 201 Kellner, to 211 Coleman, to 221 Hamner, to 231 Zoldak, to 241 Byrne (hardest to find as it is a short print). >> 195 Minoso, 205 King, 215 Bauer, 225 Baumholtz, 235 Dropo, 245 Robertson(this print defect is hard to spot on a few of these cards - but very easyto see on 225 and 235). >> 196 Hemus, 206 Ostrowski, 216 Ashburn, 226 Philley, 236 Fitzgerald, 246 Kell (surprisingly - there are many of these and it's a short print) >> 200 Houk (and for those of you chasing the white background variation - just take a pink one and leave it in the sun - you'll get you white versionin no time!), 210 Fowler, 220 Presko, 230 Batts, 240 Phillips, 250 Erskine(much harder than his blue nose variation!) >> I don't have any scans and these cards are in storage - so that will have to come sometime after the holidays. >> But like I said, I KNOW Minoso and Ashburn must exist - but I've never seen >> And to be clear - I do not view these as Variations. These are a print defect. The line ran through 6 consecutive cards because there was a problem with the roller. This wasn't an intended variation where topps changed things. It was a matter of there being a printing glitch made at the beginning or end of a print run. >> Cheers, >> Patrick >> On Friday, December 23, 2016 8:51 AM, "richard dingman brightair@msn.com[OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> Patrick, >> Can you tell us what are the other 22 cards that have the heavy red line? >> Richard D >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2016 11:25 AM >> To: Patrick Prickett >> Cc: OBC Ramblings >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help finding a recurring print defect >> Hi Patrick >> Just checked my set and dupes. No luck. Here are the numbers: >> 195 Minoso >> 216 Ashburn >> John Stamper >>> On Dec 23, 2016, at 8:02 AM, "Patrick Prickett patrick_prickett@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >>> Hi, >>> As many of you know, the 1952 Topps set is a special priority for me (Damn you grey back Pete Reiser! You're stopping me from my master set!). >>> Well, the set has a recurring print defect of a heavy red line that appears on 24 cards. Over the years, I have found a copy of 22 of them. ButI am still missing two: >>> 1) Richie Ashburn (the red line will appear along the front left border); >>> 2) Minnie Minoso (the red line will appear in the front right border). >>> I KNOW these cards exist, but I just can't find them. So I'm enlistingthe aid of OBC. If you see these (and they are priced reasonably) please grab them for me (and I will repay you). Even if they are not priced reasonably, please at least get a photo. Even though I know they exist, I do not have photographic evidence. >>> Thanks for your help! >>> Patrick ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:30:16 -0500 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Happy Hanukkah From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, I just wanted to wish all my Jewish friends a Happy Hanukkah Happy Hanukkah, Kevin Martens ================= To: "KEVINM38@aol.com" Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 20:32:38 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy Hanukkah From: Patrick Wattigny I echo your sentiments, Kevin! Fr. Pat Wattigny Sent from my iPhone On Dec 24, 2016, at 2:30 PM, KEVINM38@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hi all, I just wanted to wish all my Jewish friends a Happy Hanukkah Happy Hanukkah, Kevin Martens ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 15:48:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Happy Holidays to everyone in OBC land... From: Kent May you have a prosperous and healthy 2017 also. ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 22:52:02 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My first non-sport set From: I have finally decided to dip my toe into the non-sports set world. I've been looking at the Topps "Look n See" set from 1952 and thought they were cool, and, as a minor history buff, right up my alley. So, I took the plunge and picked up 8 Tipton variety cards this week, including the man of the year, Alexander Hamilton. I know the sports cards, especially the Babe, will cost a little more, and I've read there are some "short prints", but overall it looks like a very doable set. Just wondering how many others in the group have tackled this set? ================= To: "rdn56@nc.rr.com" Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 23:36:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My first non-sport set From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 18:44:38 -0500 To: obc Ramblings , Subject: re: 1952 Topps Look 'n See From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Bob: I put this set together, it=E2=99s a great set. Keys of course include Babe Ruth and also #82 Rembrandt. The Rembrandt card was situated on the bottom right corner of the printing sheet, and made high grade examples tough to find (and drove up low grade prices too). Heres a great write up about the set on the PSA site. http://www.psacard.com/articles/articleview/7578/psa-set-registry-1952-topps-look-n-see-trading-card-ideal-non-sports " Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My first non-sport set From: Stamper Hi Bob I completed the set a number of years ago. It is a wonderful set to build. Most are very reasonably priced. A few higher dollar cards with Ruth and Rembrandt. Rembrandt being the most expensive in the set. My Daughter Raleigh's name sake is in the set. Card #81. She collects any and all Sir Walter Raleigh cards, especially from this set. It has a nice mix of US, Western, Native American, Presidential and World History cards. The finest Non Sport set out there. The 54 Scoops set is not far behind. I have a handful of dupes still and I'll check your list after Christmas. Enjoy building it!! John Stamper On Dec 24, 2016, at 2:52 PM, "rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > I have finally decided to dip my toe into the non-sports set world. I've been looking at the Topps "Look n See" set from 1952 and thought they were cool, and, as a minor > history buff, right up my alley. So, I took the plunge and picked up 8 Tipton variety cards this week, including the man of the year, Alexander Hamilton. I know the sports cards, > especially the Babe, will cost a little more, and I've read there are some "short prints", but overall it looks like a very doable set. Just wondering how many others in the group > have tackled this set? > Bob ================= Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2016 21:33:22 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: My 2016 Year in Review (My collecting goals) From: Ken M Happy holidays everyone!   I'm basically trying to kill time until midnight, when I get to open my OBC gift. If you're doing the same, then read on...   Since there's still a couple days left in the year (and I'm DYING to know what's in that envelope), I won't post my goals for 2017 yet. I managed to track down and edit the email I sent to this server back in January.   Here's how I did on the 2016 goals:1) Create a Top 10 most wanted list. SUCCESS! (Only took me about a year and a half to complete my 2015 goal. I'll have to figure out how I want to update it for next year, since it got some hits!)2) Complete 1960 Topps(#2) SUCCESS! (Guru with the set killer!)3) Find two hits to the t205 list. SUCCESS! (Joss at the Nats to ice it too!)4) Find three of the six remaining Bowman variations. SUCCESS! (1950 Bowman bites the dust!)5) Find two Red Man variations. SUCCESS! (Although rediscovering one didn't exist and finding would-be gremlins contributed.)6) Get 1970's Fleer li st down to 10 or less. SUCCESS! (Only six remain from the original list!)7) Find a half dozen hits to the 1963 Jello set. FAIL! (If not for Peter Mead, I would've added zero I think)8) Find 10 Kellogg's variations. MIXED RESULTS! (I think I added at least ten cards to the binders, but a lot of them weren't on my list to begin with and the list probably ended up getting longer.)9) Get the Hostess total to 90% complete. SUCCESS! (Technically. Need 78 more true Hostess cards after culling the Twinkies and starting those sets. This added a few back onto the "completed" 1977 list, which fudged the overall result.)10) Get my mini collection up and running. SUCCESS! (Aaron Shirley did a lot of research for me, although I haven't added much to it in the last few months.)11) Celebrate my 20th year in OBC with more RAOK's and waiver wires. SUCCESS! ("More RAOK's" is a relative term, considering I was mostly AWOL before. My month long anniversary celebration in June had me pull off 30 consecutive daily waiver wires, so I was proud of that. My plan to go through the directory and hit almost everyone like when I first joined never panned out though.)   Overall, I hit most of my goals. Some of them didn't turn out as successfully as I originally planned or in the way I expected. I'll call it my version of "winning ugly" ...or collecting ugly, which now that I think about it, is what I've been doing in OBC for the most part. Now I'll have a couple days to think about some creative and challenging goals for 2017. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 04:07:18 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: mark z 2016 review and goals for 2017 From: mark zentkovich Review of Goals for 2016: Reduce 61 set from 60 to go to 40..those high numbers sure are expensivecompleted Get half way on 69 setblew this one away, only 31 to go Finish two 70s basketball setscompleted 3 Make it half way on football HOF collection (208 needed as of now)completed- just need new guys thanks for all your help in helping meet these goals Goals set for 2017: Reduce 61 set from 40 to 30..those high numbers sure are expensive Get 69 set down to 5 or less major stars Finish two 70s baseball second sets (74 and 75 underway) Finish two 70s football sets (77 and 78 underway) help other folks collections along the way thanks for reading...mark zentkovich ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 05:11:19 +0000 Subject: brace yourselves... From: Aaron Shirley Brace yourselves... the Holiday Hack thanks are coming! I'm looking forward to it! ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 00:40:19 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Santa Gersh! From: Ken M Good morning OBC!  At midnight, I raced downstairs to retrieve my holiday exchange present. The return address from Ohio left no indication of who the sender was. Fortunately, the note inside simply read, "HO HO HOMERRY CHRISTMASGERSH"My gift hit three separate pages of my list. On the vintage page, a trio of 75 minis.Next, from the mini project (which I had just finished typing how it's been a while since it was hit), another trio of cards. All three of the players had an "E" last name. One of the cards is from the 1934 Goudey set! Nice!Finally, a half dozen 1977 cloth stickers that pare the list down to an even dozen ** stickers (plus some assorted puzzle pieces). I really enjoyed crossing all those off. THANKS GERSH!! I hope everyone enjoys their holiday weekend and has an even better 2017! TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 01:24:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Santa Steve Sankner From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well, it's after midnight. I already got a new pair of NY Mets socks. a new Mets hat (with orange brim), a Met's pullover windbreaker (are we seeing a pattern here?), a pair of glasses and ice tray from a Christmas Story (Fra-Gil-Le- it must be Italian!) and yes... a Boston Red Sox watch! Now I get to rip open the manilla envelope I have been staring at for a month. Inside is a note (hope this is something you don't have), ummm no I don't. This is a WAY cool set of NY Islanders cards (for lack of a better term). This is a complete set of Islanders on what looks like x-ray paper. They look like a positive negative film piece. Never, ever seen these before, but it includes all my Islander heroes from Chico to Bossy, Potvin to Tonelli and all in between. They are listed as being from Celeb/Card. Need to do some research on this set. But definitely one of the coolest pieces I have in the Islander Collection. Thanks loads Steve, and let me know if you can shed some light on this. I don't remember the Islanders giving this out at games or anything like that back in the 80s. Santa been berry berry good to me! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 07:10:15 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 58 topps Mays, phonie? From: biggies@aol.com Is there a no color on the lower bar variation on this card? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-5-Willie-Mays-Nice-Ungraded-card-/262776587415?hash=item3d2eb48497:g:n3AAAOSw241YVXdE ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 07:13:38 -0500 To: obc Ramblings , Subject: Secret Santa From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Matthew =E2=9CSpike=E2=9D Glidden was my Secret Santa this year. My present arrived several days ago, and I ripped it open as soon as I had my coffee in hand LOL! Spike and I were =E2=9Croomies=E2=9D at the last National Convention in Chicago. We wandered around the show quite a bit, but the thing i remember most was an incident that occurred in the snack bar area. Several OBC members were taking a load off, and swapping stories at one of the tables. I grab a large soft serve ice cream cone, and sit down at the table. And as Iremember it, Spike says =E2=9CDid they run out of Garden Salads?=E2=9D haha BUSTED! Here are my gifts: #1 Non sports 1933 National Chicle =E2=9CSky Birds=E2=9D #42 =E2=9CAlbatross-Taube, 1914=E2=9D this is one of the earliest fighter airplanes with a max speed of 60MPH and a ceiling of 5,000 feet. #2 Non sports 1947 Goudy Indian Gum (these have black printing on the back,not green) #86 =E2=9CWood=E2=9D. Pictures Indian Chief =E2=9CNAW-KAW=E2=9D which translates to =E2=9CWood=E2=9D. I love the =E2=9Ccorner-clips=E2=9D on this card! #3 1961 Post cereal baseball #173 Daryl Spencer this is the =E2=9Ccompany=E2=9D card. So I guess back in 1961 you could write in to Post and request a set of cards. These =E2=9Ccompany=E2=9D cards came on a perforated sheet, and when you got them you pulled the cards apart. Some of the company cards had updated player info too. Most company cards show evidence (little hanging chads) of being separated from the sheets. I finally sorted out my company and =E2=9Dcut from the box=E2=9D cards, and am trying for a set of each. On April 15, 1958, Daryl hit the first home run in SanFrancisco Giants history in an 8-0 victory over the Dodgers. #4 1963 Post cereal baseball #19 Whitey Ford nice hit Spike! As of 2015, the 86-year-old Ford was splitting his time between his homes in Long Island and Florida. Enjoy it Whitey! #5 1963 Post cereal baseball #5 Harmon Killebrew. OK the fifth (number 5) and last card sent by Secret Santa Spike. It=E2=99s a great hit! Despite his nickname =E2=9CThe Killer=E2=9D he was considered to be a kind, quiet man. Once asked in an interview what hobbies he had, to which he replied, "just washing the dishes, I guess.=E2=9D Harmon died in 2011 esophageal cancer age 77. Back to =E2=9CNumber Five=E2=9D Spike has a blog you may or may not know about. And I read your blog Spike when I think aboutit. I probably should leave a comment so you know we appreciate the work you put into the blog. It=E2=99s called =E2=9CNumber 5 Collection=E2=9D and many of the posts are about different #5 cards that Spike picks up. So I was surprised he sent me a number 5 card! Here a link to Spikes blog: http://www.number5typecollection.com Thank You Very Much Secret Santa Spike! Merry Christmas OBC! PS a Christmas Miracle occurred yesterday. The Jacksonville Jaguars won a game! ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 07:06:04 -0600 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Santa Galbreath From: Matthew Glidden Christmas morning means opening the OBC package first, and Mike G didn't disappoint! Inside are four hits to 1960 Leaf, including a rare Ryne Duren without sunglasses and Jim "Winter" Coates, who we'll need plenty of in the coming months. Also inside is HIT BY PITCH, a graphic novel about the fateful destinies of Ray Chapman and Carl Mays. Looking forward to learning a lot more about the events surrounding that day! Thanks a million, Mike! Merry Christmas to all! ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 14:45:30 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Secret Stanage! From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Merry Christmas!! Of course, the first gift opened this morning was my OBC Santa from George Vrechek. As any of you know, who have looked at my wantlist, it's more of a "list" than a wantlist. I use it to keep track of all the possible Sovereign backs in the T205 and T206 sets, regardless of if I have them or not. I certainly don't mind getting morethan one of a card, so I just leave the whole list on there. I figure this helps if anybody is looking to send something, as well. Anyway, I am closing in on getting all the T205s...there are 123 possible playerswith a Sovereign back. Well, George sends along Oscar Stanage, who is one of the few I still needed...sweet!!! That gets me down to 18 left to complete my T205 run. Stanage was the catcher for those great Tiger's teams of the deadfall era. He was mostly a defensive catcher, and still holds the AL record of 212 assists in one season for a catcher. His counterpart in the NL, Pat Moran, holds the NL record with 214. I read the SABR writeup on him, and it says when he retired, he was a night watchman at Briggs Stadium. How cool would that have been to sit around with him at night and listen to stories about Cobb, Sam Crawford, and Hughie Jennings! Thanks for the awesome card, George (with an assist from Mark Macrae, he notes)...and Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to all of my friends!! Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 09:58:00 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2016 in Review; 2017 Goals From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Thank you for getting the review / goals thread started. I had a pretty decent year collection-wise. I picked up a few types, about a dozen set hits, wrapped up two player collections (Dane & Garth Iorg), and handful of other hits to miscellaneous projects. I probably added about 40-50 cards in total, doing the most damage to my Luis Salazar collection. My favorite pickup of the year is T222 Rube Marquard (attached) with T200 Cleveland as runner up. 1. One to two Diamond Star HOF hits - Grove, Hornsby, Dickey, Foxx, Hafey, Frisch, Greenberg - *Success!* Picked up Lazzeri and a few others. 2. 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 hits - *Success!* - picked up Ted Lyons and a few 3. One to two T200 hits - BOS-N, CLE-A, DET-A, NY-A, STL-N, WAS-A - *Success!* - picked up Cleveland and Washington 4. Jim Rice 1982 FBI Discs - 21 (wrap up the player collection) - *Fail* 5. Johnny Grubb 1973 Linnett Portraits - 155 - *Fail* 6. Jesse Orosco 1985 Mets Colla Postcards - 21 (wrap up the player collection) - *Fail* 7. Don Robinsnon 1990 Giants Smokey 17 (wrap up the player collection) - 8. Ken Phelps 1986 Mariners Pacific Northwest Bell - 10 (wrap up the player collection) - *Fail* 9. One to two N3, N21 and N31 hits - *Fail* 10. U.L. Washington 1976 Omaha Royals Top Trophies - 25 - *Fail* Here are my 2017 goals. 1. Two Diamond Star HOF hits - Grove, Hornsby, Dickey, Foxx, Hafey, Frisch, Greenberg 2. Three 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 hits 3. One T200 hit - BOS-N, DET-A, NY-A, STL-N 4. Wrap up two player collections with one hit left (Jim Rice, Johnny Grubb, Jesse Orosco, Don Robinsnon, Ken Phelps) 5. Five hits to newly (re) started Don Mossi player collection. 6. Two (total) N3, N21 and N31 hits 7. Five 50 Bowman Wildman hits 8. U.L. Washington 1976 Omaha Royals Top Trophies - 25 9. Three total hits to my blank back / wrong back / miscut collection. 10. Ten total hits to my type collection. Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 13:05:51 -0500 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Subject: Merry Christmas to all From: KEVINM38@aol.com A Very Merry Christmas to Everyone!! ================= Date: 25 Dec 2016 10:14:19 -0800 To: Subject: Secret Santa thanks From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 20:32:45 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: 1952 Topps 5th series printing theories From: Matthew Glidden Hi all, a friend on Twitter asked if I knew a convincing argument for how 52T fifth series was printed and what quantities went with what numbers. I haven't looked into it much myself, but given OBC's depth of knowledge, how does each theory sound? (See attached image.) [image: 1952topps_5th_series_theory2.jpg] In short, are there 1) 20 quadruple prints for 251-270 and 40 triple prints for 271-310? 2) 20 quadruple prints 281-300, with triple prints for the others? ...or something else entirely? ================= Date: 25 Dec 2016 14:23:27 -0800 To: Subject: Boxing Day is not supposed to be until tomorrow From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 17:40:54 -0500 To: Erik & Leticia Greenwood Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 in Review; 2017 Goals [1 Attachment] From: Jake Brewer Some of my goals contain a UV ALERT!! Not sure if I have to do that, but posted it anyways. I LOVE goals, and reading everyone else's! I wanted to make sure I had my final 2016 collection totals before reviewing 2016's goals or posting 2017's. I like to make my goals a little ambitious, so here's my 2016 Goals in Review! 1. 500 HR Auto PC: Complete! 2. 300 W Auto PC: 1 short, Lefty Grove. 3. 3,000 K Auto PC: Complete! 4. Perfect Game Auto PC: Complete! 5. '95 WS Braves Auto'd Baseball PC: Complete! 6. '57 WS Braves Auto PC: Complete! 7. '57 WS Braves Auto'd Baseball PC: 6/14. 8. '59 Topps Set: Complete! 9. Get to 50% Five Star Auto PC: Complete (53%)! 10. Get to 15% Total Collection Completion: Complete (20%)! Not bad for 2016, Only missing on my 300 W Auto PC with Lefty Grove, and my'57 WS Braves Auto'd PC- which I've discovered will be much harder than I thought. One thing I learned that I've incorporated into 2017's goals: I like counting stats (call me a compiler for you HOF buffs out there) so more things will count towards these 2017 goals; meaning they are more vague ha. Without further ado, here they are: 1. 500 Vintage Cards For My Sets -This counts any card I acquire in 2017 for any of my vintage sets that I didnt already have; I'm sure OBC will contribute here! 2. 25 Pre-50s Vintage Cards For My Sets -I currently only have a total of 26 cards that are from before 1950, so I hope to bump that up a little with some early Bowmans, Play Balls, or Goudeys! 3. 50 Autos - I expect many of these to be Five Star autos that I need, or other HOF Autos! 4. '57 WS Braves Auto'd Baseballs -This is one of the tougher ones on the list. I have 6/14, but some of the tougher ones (Buhl, Covington) typically go for $100+. 5. 3,000 Hit Club Autos -I only need Ichiro as it stands now- and I hope I will get a '15 or '16 Five Star auto to meet this goal; and count towards that PC too! 6. 26 Bobbleheads - I have 24 different ones now that are on my want list, so 26 more would put me at 50 bobbleheads! 7. 23 Auto'd Baseballs -Hopefully 8 of these will be those '57 Braves ones I need, and I'd also specifically like to try to add Brooks Robinson and Harmon Killebrew this year. This would put me at 75 Auto'd baseballs total! 8. '55 Topps Set -I'm currently at 107/206 52% with no Killebrew, Koufax, or Clemente; so this should be a doozie. 9. 600 SB Club Autos - I only need Joe Morgan and Tim Raines, so this should be the easiest goalon the list. 10. 300 W Auto PC -I only lack Lefty Grove, as I fell one short of completing this for the 2016 goals. Another fairly easy one, just not cheap ha. 11. 25% Total Collection Completion - This will undoubtedly change w/ new players hitting milestones/being elected to the HOF, a new year of five star autos, etc. However I'm currently at 2,619/13,046 for 20% going into 2017. 643 items would get me to 25% I'm excited about my 2017 goals, and reflecting back I'm extremely thankfulto be a part of this group. There's nothing like getting unexpected cards in the mail, filled with your needs- Nor is there anything like talking about your hobby with others who share the same hobby! So Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to OBC- those are my 2017 goals; what are yours? -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 25, 2016, at 12:58 PM, 'Erik & Leticia Greenwood' elhegreenwood@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Erik & Leticia Greenwood included below] > Ken, > Thank you for getting the review / goals thread started. I had a pretty decent year collection-wise. I picked up a few types, about a dozen set hits, wrapped up two player collections (Dane & Garth Iorg), and handful of other hits to miscellaneous projects. I probably added about 40-50 cards in total, doing the most damage to my Luis Salazar collection. My favorite pickup of the year is T222 Rube Marquard (attached) with T200 Cleveland as runner > One to two Diamond Star HOF hits - Grove, Hornsby, Dickey, Foxx, Hafey, Frisch, Greenberg - Success! Picked up Lazzeri and a few others. > 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 hits - Success! - picked up Ted Lyons and a few others > One to two T200 hits - BOS-N, CLE-A, DET-A, NY-A, STL-N, WAS-A - Success!- picked up Cleveland and Washington > Jim Rice 1982 FBI Discs - 21 (wrap up the player collection) - Fail > Johnny Grubb 1973 Linnett Portraits - 155 - Fail > Jesse Orosco 1985 Mets Colla Postcards - 21 (wrap up the player collection) - Fail > Don Robinsnon 1990 Giants Smokey 17 (wrap up the player collection) - Fail > Ken Phelps 1986 Mariners Pacific Northwest Bell - 10 (wrap up the player collection) - Fail > One to two N3, N21 and N31 hits - Fail > U.L. Washington 1976 Omaha Royals Top Trophies - 25 - Fail > Here are my 2017 goals. > Two Diamond Star HOF hits - Grove, Hornsby, Dickey, Foxx, Hafey, Frisch, Greenberg > Three 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 hits > One T200 hit - BOS-N, DET-A, NY-A, STL-N > Wrap up two player collections with one hit left (Jim Rice, Johnny Grubb,Jesse Orosco, Don Robinsnon, Ken Phelps) > Five hits to newly (re) started Don Mossi player collection. > Two (total) N3, N21 and N31 hits > Five 50 Bowman Wildman hits > U.L. Washington 1976 Omaha Royals Top Trophies - 25 > Three total hits to my blank back / wrong back / miscut collection. > Ten total hits to my type collection. > Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:58:35 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Look n See cards From: Bob Saxton Recently I saw a post about someone starting a set of the Look & See cards, famous people.I can't locate it in my emails, but if whoever posted it would let me know, I have a card for you.Thanks! Bob Saxton ================= Date: 25 Dec 2016 18:36:36 -0800 To: Subject: Santa's Sleigh Runners Waxed From: mike.galbreath@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 02:43:15 +0000 To: Patrick Prickett , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps 5th series printing theories From: Matthew Glidden Thanks Patrick, much appreciated! Can you share details about when and how you saw the 1952 uncut sheets? That must be like getting to look over the Mona Lisa up close. On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 5:15 PM Patrick Prickett > Hi, > This is the layout for the fifth series: > [image: Inline image] > Gray bar top to bottom represents a wide border that separates sheet A and > B (and these could be reversed). Gray bar left to right is speculated > based on the second series layout. > Oh, and this is based on me seeing actual uncut sheets. > Cheers, > Patrick > On Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:41 PM, "Matthew Glidden > glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi all, a friend on Twitter asked if I knew a convincing argument for how > 52T fifth series was printed and what quantities went with what numbers. I > haven't looked into it much myself, but given OBC's depth of knowledge, how > does each theory sound? (See attached image.) > [image: 1952topps_5th_series_theory2.jpg] > In short, are there > 1) 20 quadruple prints for 251-270 and 40 triple prints for 271-310? > or > 2) 20 quadruple prints 281-300, with triple prints for the others? > ...or something else entirely? > Spike ================= Date: 25 Dec 2016 19:05:32 -0800 To: Subject: Ho Ho Ho! From: mike.galbreath@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:38:48 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps 5th series printing theories From: ShoelessWes I'd rather see the uncut sheet. Wes Shepard > On Dec 25, 2016, at 9:43 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Thanks Patrick, much appreciated! Can you share details about when and how you saw the 1952 uncut sheets? That must be like getting to look over theMona Lisa up close. > Spike >> On Sun, Dec 25, 2016 at 5:15 PM Patrick Prickett >> Hi, >> This is the layout for the fifth series: >> Gray bar top to bottom represents a wide border that separates sheet A and B (and these could be reversed). Gray bar left to right is speculated based on the second series layout. >> Oh, and this is based on me seeing actual uncut sheets. >> Cheers, >> Patrick >> On Sunday, December 25, 2016 12:41 PM, "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> Hi all, a friend on Twitter asked if I knew a convincing argument for how 52T fifth series was printed and what quantities went with what numbers. I haven't looked into it much myself, but given OBC's depth of knowledge, how does each theory sound? (See attached image.) >> In short, are there >> 1) 20 quadruple prints for 251-270 and 40 triple prints for 271-310? >> or >> 2) 20 quadruple prints 281-300, with triple prints for the others? >> ...or something else entirely? >> Spike ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2016 22:45:14 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ho Ho Ho! From: Ken M ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 04:13:48 +0000 To: obc ramblings Subject: OBC-style eBay Buy-It-Nows From: Matthew Glidden Found some good-looking OBC buy-it-nows on eBay while closing out my Christmas evening. Hope someone can use 'em! 26-card 1951 Bowman lot with HOFers and more, $40: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Bowman-lot-of-26-cards-Poor-Johnny-Mize-Gil-Hodges-Ed-Lopat-Allie-Reynolds-/391661489701?hash=item5b30d80e25:g:RqIAAOSwOtdYVqZI 1958 Topps Musial AS $4.50 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1958-Topps-476-Stan-Musial-AS-Cardinals-Beater-20-Rebates-/222356989741?hash=item33c582672d:g:X6wAAOSw-0xYQFaJ Similar for $5: http://www.ebay.com/itm/x3733-1958-Topps-476-Stan-Musial-AS-TP-POOR-/332072420791?hash=item4d510f05b7:g:aEQAAOSwA3dYX7r3 1953 Topps Mathews $10 + shipping http://www.ebay.com/itm/1953-TOPPS-ED-MATHEWS-37-250-00-FAIR-/371823935149?hash=item56926efead:g:26YAAOSwJ7RYYHaV 1954 Bowman Berra $21 http://www.ebay.com/itm/s3166-1954-Bowman-161-Yogi-Berra-New-York-Yankees-FAIR-/232185754331?hash=item360f5972db:g:l4oAAOSw-0xYX7sR 1964 Topps Brooksie -- worth it just for the "eraser beard" http://www.ebay.com/itm/u4894-1964-Topps-230-Brooks-Robinson-Balitmore-Orioles-FAIR-/332072420784?hash=item4d510f05b0:g:T0AAAOSwa~BYX7r3 1960 Killebrew $5 http://www.ebay.com/itm/y3500-1960-Topps-210-Harmon-Killebrew-POOR-/232185753539?hash=item360f596fc3:g:~fAAAOSwej1YX7rw ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 10:24:25 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tommy's Surprise Christmas! From: Jake Brewer A huge THANK YOU to everyone that sent cards to help with my surprise gift for my cousin Tommy! The generosity was amazing, and the cardboard was greatly appreciated! He was shocked at how many envelopes he had to open, all with cards that heneeded! He's excited to go through the process of hopefully gaining OBC Membership,and we're going to sit down soon and discuss what he needs to do/how to use the website I created for him as part of his gift! This meant a lot to him, as he had to take his girls to their Mom's house pretty early on Christmas morning- so this helped brighten his day for sure! So again, thank you OBC for your unparalleled generosity- I owe you all one! -Jake "The Kid" Brewer Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 09:03:11 -0800 Subject: 2017 Wantlist From: "George Vrechek" Here is my wantlist for 2017: Dan Angland Bill Ashton Gary Beard Steve Carter Dan Cipra Jerry Coker James Cooper Nick Covello Jim Craig Jeff Delott Michael Dillon Alvin Edwards Joel Glickman Ken Goetsch Greg Henthorn Peter Iversen Rick Keating Earl Kilbourn Joshua Levine Brian Lindholme Nate Mack John McLaughlin Matt Meister Greg Miller Howard Morgan Jeffrey and Michael Newman Chuck Paris Patrick Prickett Dave Purdham Richard Robinson Bob Saxton Sean Schuettpelz Jim Silva Jeff Sinclair Geno Wagner Brandon Wax Jeff Whitworth Matt Yudt Larry Zurawski We have pictures of OBC members on our password-protected directory page - except the above members who have been rather camera shy. If you are feeling more photogenic this year, send Tom Housley or me a photo or two that can be used for an OBC-style card to include in the photo gallery. If not, you are allowed to remain incognito. George Vrechek ================= Date: 26 Dec 2016 10:30:19 -0800 To: Subject: 12/26 Waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 10:31:32 -0800 Subject: 2017 Goals From: "George Vrechek" My articles on set collecting encouraged me to expand my wantlists and shoot for 50,000 vintage sports cards within the next few years. In the last two years I picked the low-hanging fruit and worked on late '70s sets in Topps hockey and OPeeChee baseball and hockey. In 2016, I bought a 1980 OPC baseball set and another lot of OPCs from Ken Morganti to pick up twice as many cards than my 1,000 card goal. I know it will get tougher to maintain the pace. My 2017 goals are all about quantity. A 1978 Fleer in-action football or a 1979 Hostess counts the same as a 1952 Topps Mantle. I'm looking to pick up at least 300 OPC baseball cards, 200 hockey cards, and 400 cards of baseball, football, basketball and other sports. I have 150 tough cards that have been on my wantlist for years; my 2017 goal is to get 10 of them. As always OBC is a big help in collecting and my other goal is to return RAOKs to as many as possible. Boy, there are some tough lists out there. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 10:58:29 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1964 Topps waiver wire From: Gary Beard Trying to finish up my summer waiver wires while I have a little more free time (sorry I couldn't finish these a few months ago). Here are the few '64 Topps that I have in my dupes box: 1964 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 24 Carl Sawatski St. Louis Cardinals 153 Dick Williams Boston Red Sox 159 Charlie Dees Los Angeles Angels 172 Indians Team Cleveland Indians 174 Doc Edwards Kansas City Athletics 274 Checklist 265-352 None These are NOT fcfs! I'm trying to help as many as I can with as much as I can. So, I won't go through the requests for 24-48 hours and then mail asap. Again, please include your mailing address. If you requested something from my previous waiver wires and didn't get a response from me, please contact me as I've overlooked the email (I think I got everyone though). Happy Holidays, Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 11:46:27 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1963 Topps Waiver Wire From: Gary Beard Here's a list of my 1963 Topps baseball dupes. All of these are whole cards that are less than VG, but only because of bends and/or light creasing, scuffs and worn corners that mostly aren't quite round yet. 1963 Topps Baseball Number Name Team 17 Ryne Duren Los Angeles Angels 19 Pete Burnside Baltimore Orioles 22 Curt Simmons St. Louis Cardinals 40 Vic Power Minnesota Twins 41 Charlie Lau Baltimore Orioles 79 Checklist 1-88 None 85 Tom Haller San Francisco Giants 86 Charley Maxwell Chicago White Sox 89 Dick Stigman Minnesota Twins 93 Galen Cisco New York Mets 94 Bob Schmidt Washington Senators 95 Larry Jackson Chicago Cubs 96 Lou Clinton Boston Red Sox 99 Jim Umbricht Houston Colt .45's 100 Joe Cunningham Chicago White Sox 101 Joe Gibbon Pittsburgh Pirates 104 Lew Krausse Kansas City Athletics 106 Bob Bolin San Francisco Giants 111 Al Jackson New York Mets 112 Dick Brown Baltimore Orioles 114 Dan Osinski Los Angeles Angels 117 Jacke Davis Philadelphia Phillies 118 Sherm Lollar Chicago White Sox 119 Bob Lillis Houston Colt .45's 121 Jim Hannan Washington Senators 124 Dick Howser Kansas City Athletics 127 Bill Tuttle Minnesota Twins 132 Jack Hamilton Philadelphia Phillies 133 Gene Freese Cincinnati Reds 136 Ike Delock Boston Red Sox 137 Mack Jones Milwaukee Braves 140 Frank Lary Detroit Tigers 149 Marv Breeding Washington Senators 152 Ron Nischwitz Cleveland Indians 157 Diego Segui Kansas City Athletics 159 Jim Pagliaroni Pittsburgh Pirates 164 Bubba Morton Detroit Tigers 166 Johnny Keane St. Louis Cardinals 168 Russ Nixon Boston Red Sox 171 Steve Hamilton Washington Senators 172 Gene Oliver St. Louis Cardinals 174 Larry Burright New York Mets 175 Bob Buhl Chicago Cubs 176 Jim King Washington Senators 181 Sammy Esposito Chicago White Sox 182 Albie Pearson Los Angeles Angels 185 Chuck Hiller San Francisco Giants 186 Jerry Zimmerman Minnesota Twins 187 Willie Kirkland Cleveland Indians 189 Dave Giusti Houston Colt .45's 191 Checklist 177-264 None 192 Clay Dalrymple Philadelphia Phillies 193 Andre Rodgers Chicago Cubs 194 Joe Nuxhall Cincinnati Reds 196 Doug Camilli Los Angeles Dodgers 376 Johnnie Wyatt Kansas City Athletics 387 Al McBean Pittsburgh Pirates 388 Jim Davenport San Francisco Giants Please include your address! Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 16:08:08 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 52 Topps Mantle From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey boys, this is from Mike McCann. Anyone have any insight for a place to look for info on counterfeit Mantles? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: mmccann1@stny.rr.com To: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: 12/26/2016 8:56:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: Goudy Gehrig A buddy of mine is looking at buying a 52 Topps mantle. Do any of the boys have an article like the Gehrig one on the Mantle? ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 14:20:05 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Coupeville's OBC Secret Santa From: Mike Diamanti Greetings Cardboard Nuts: Well, my usual routine now, every day, is get up, make the bed, stumble towards the coffee (that my wife has made) and head up to my computer to read the Seattle Times and e-mail. Yesterday morning, amidst the flurry of friends coming over and opening presents and watching my wife be very happy (she loves buying gifts that " hit the spot with people"), I forgot to open my OBC envelope -- which was taped to my bulletin board in my office. Later in the day, during the busy-ness of family and friends at our house, and cleaning up after a dinner Kellen and I prepared of spiral cut ham, Swedish-style au gratine potatoes, broccoli with hollandaise, parker house rolls, and min-cream puffs stuffed with ice cream and drizzled with chocolate sauce, which had been preceded by smoked salmon and cream cheese on crackers, I again forgot about my OBC envelope. (Good food is a priority in our house........) So, this morning, with guests departed, established at my desk in my office, sucking down cup number two and after reading almost all of the OBC Santa thank youse, I went, HEY! I've got an envelope, only to discover it came from Mike Glasser. I immediately burst out laughing, even before I went through the cards, because Mike Glasser has been my main "guide" into the world of non-sports Sometime early in 2016, Mike had sent me a few tobacco non-sports, and well, I fell for them big time. Why? Because anything pre-war (WW I or WW II), has my interest.... I got into these very quickly. George Vrechek had also got my attention with his articles on collecting outside the sports world, and the crossovers available in the Champions set......and just the sheer number and diversity of the topics and subject matters these old cards encompass. And Guru had steered me towards the flags of the world set. I digress. In early 2016 Mike Glasser sent me a spreadsheet of non-sports tobacco cards he had available for sale (after I begged him to sell me some). I still have that spread sheet in my files and use it to remind myself of what sets I'm chasing and what a big help Mike has been, not only with information, but with cards. Mike has, on a number of occasions, just sent me cards out of the blue --- keeping me hooked on these beauties while exercising his considerable generosity. As my Secret Santa this year, Mike sends along a true variety pack of 18 different non-sports tobacco cards that are stunning. Mike -- you dah man!! Here's half of them........ Coffeedude Diamanti in Coupeville ================= Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2016 17:28:39 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Quest From: "Thomas W. Billing" I have now reduced my quest for Post Cereal Cincinnati Reds to just the 1963 Eddie Kasko, which is very scarce. Does anyone know of any I could buy that would not bust the bank? The cheapest I have seen is $199.00! I also am trying to put together the 1962 Cleveland Browns set and lack a few, including Jim Brown and a very scarce Sam Baker. Anyone with help or advice is appreciated. Tom Billing ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 01:40:33 +0000 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 52 Topps Mantle From: Matthew Glidden I found the Gehrig article by Googling for counterfeit 1934 gehrigs and it worked fine again this time. There look to be several guides for detecting a fake 1952 Mantle, with this one similar to the one linked before: http://bbcemporium.com/1952-topps-mickey-mantle-counterfeit-guide/ On Mon, Dec 26, 2016 at 4:29 PM ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey boys, this is from Mike McCann. Anyone have any insight for a place to > look for info on counterfeit Mantles? > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > ------------------------------ > From: mmccann1@stny.rr.com > To: ChicoD1@aol.com > Sent: 12/26/2016 8:56:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time > Subj: Re: Goudy Gehrig > Sal, > A buddy of mine is looking at buying a 52 Topps mantle. Do any of > the boys have an article like the Gehrig one on the Mantle? > Mike ================= To: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 08:53:20 -0800 Subject: Re: 52 Topps Mantle From: "George Vrechek" Thanks for posting that. It was an eye-opener for me. Thank goodness Tipton graded cards are still sacred. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:18:33 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: 2016-17 Playoff Football Pool - Second Call From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Howdy Sports Fans: Second time calling all interested. Please note that we have an option now for your entry fee -- either $10 cash or a card with a condition adjusted value of $10. Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. Once you pick your players, you just sit back and watch - no weekly changes. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with close to that number already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU ARE INTERESTED IN PLAYING ASAP with an email to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) (not the server that you got this email on asi always get a chance to check those). For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it (like the Bears and Browns), it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus EITHER a baseball/football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10, OR $10 cash. The $1 or $11 should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Entries of a baseball/football card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 6, 2016 and mailed tome at the address below. If the playoffs started today, the schedule would look like this: AFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Miami at 3 Pittsburgh, 5 Kansas City at 4 Houston (1 New England and 2 Oakland each have a BYE) AFC Week 2: 1 New England at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Oakland at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1 (Saturday and Sunday, 1/7 and 1/8): 6 Detroit at 3 Seattle, 5 New York Giants at 4 Green Bay (1 Dallas and 2 Atlanta each have a BYE) NFC Week 2: 1 Dallas at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Atlanta at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 7-8 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Make sure to include position, name and ranking. Include first name of player and position as there are more than one with the same last name on the team. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 or $11 entry fee must be received via Paypal by 10 AM Central on January 7 and your prize card must be postmarked no later than January 6. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 60% of the cards, 2nd place gets 30%, 3rd place gets 10% (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before 2 PM CST. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. Your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family by 10 AM Central on Saturday, January 7, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 on Friday, January 6, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 7 at 10 AM CST. Gary Mandell 4243 North Claremont Avenue Chicago, IL 60618-2905 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 21:59:34 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mother's Cookies variations? From: I know not too many here collect the 52 and 53 Mother's Cookies, but some do. I just picked up a small group of them and used them to fill in spots, and in a few cases, upgrade. But, while doing my upgrades I noticed that for card #30 in the 1952 set, the one I had, and the one I got were quite distinct. The back on white was white, while the other was a tannish, or dirty white. And the fronts were definitely quite different shades. I found another card in the set where the back difference was just as noticeable, but the fronts, while different, were not nearly as distinctive. I could write off the difference to one side as "65 years of left sitting in the sun", perhaps, but not both sides, and not multiple cards. Is it possible that there are two complete sets, like the first 180 of the Topps set? A white back and a gray back? Anyone else see this in their Mother's for 52? (and who knows, maybe 53)? While I'm asking about Mothers--has anyone actually seen one of the Hollywood Stars schedule backs? I haven't. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 15:16:57 -0800 To: "" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mother's Cookies variations? From: Stamper I'll check my sets when I get home. Mark Macrae has great knowledge of these sets. Perhaps he could shed some light. John Stamper On Dec 27, 2016, at 1:59 PM, "rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > I know not too many here collect the 52 and 53 Mother's Cookies, but somedo. I just picked up a small group of them and used them to fill in spots,and in a few cases, upgrade. But, while doing my upgrades I noticed that for card #30 in the 1952 set, the one I had, and the one I got were quite distinct. The back on white was white, while the other was a tannish, or dirty white. And the fronts were definitely quite different shades. I found another card in the set where the back difference was just as noticeable, butthe fronts, while different, were not nearly as distinctive. I could writeoff the difference to one side as "65 years of left sitting in the sun", perhaps, but not both sides, and not multiple cards. Is it possible that there are two complete sets, like the first 180 of the Topps set? A white backand a gray back? Anyone else see this in their Mother's for 52? (and who knows, maybe 53)? > While I'm asking about Mothers--has anyone actually seen one of the Hollywood Stars schedule backs? I haven't. > Bob ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 00:43:10 +0000 (UTC) To: rdn56 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mother's Cookies variations? From: mark_macrae@comcast.net I'll try to provide the Readers Digest version...The '52 and '53 sets are distinctly different sets and have different characteristics. Simply put, 52's are less plentiful, turn up in lesser shape (generally speaking) than '53's, and were printed in at least two different print runs... The '53 sets are relatively consistent initial quality, although you can find slight variances in coloring and toning. Some of this can be attributed to light exposure, handling and environmental factors over the past 60 + years.... The '52's tend to turn up with more staining and toning. There are numerousvariations in the set, led by the two (possibly three) schedule backs. I can verify Lindell and Haney existing with the schedule backs. I've never seen the Handley but think it may be a collector's typo ((Haney vs Handley). These cards were most likely distributed at Gilmore Field on Opening Night (possibly another designated game). These cards do not have the Mothers ad on the back, but are clearly the same initial quality (albeit without cookie staining). I still hold out hope that some day there will be a find of a 'stack' of them that some ten year old kid picked up and sandbagged, thoughthat hasn't happened. I can verify sales for mid grade cards in the young four figures. These are rare,period ! Another facet centers around the rounded corners. There are different degrees of rounding (more noticeable on '52 vs '53). This also suggests that theprinting / cutting was done at different times. A third variance is the "square cornered" cards which are handcut from the advertising sheets. Thirtyyears ago, Wayne Bebb of Mothers Cookies opened up their advertising archives to reveal a nice period shot of a grocery store endcap display showing the advertising sheets. Now that Mothers Cookies is defunct, all of their archives have disappeared. ----- Original Message ----- From: "rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2016 1:59:34 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mother's Cookies variations? I know not too many here collect the 52 and 53 Mother's Cookies, but some do. I just picked up a small group of them and used them to fill in spots, and in a few cases, upgrade. But, while doing my upgrades I noticed that forcard #30 in the 1952 set, the one I had, and the one I got were quite distinct. The back on white was white, while the other was a tannish, or dirty white. And the fronts were definitely quite different shades. I found another card in the set where the back difference was just as noticeable, but the fronts, while different, were not nearly as distinctive. I could write off the difference to one side as "65 years of left sitting in the sun", perhaps, but not both sides, and not multiple cards. Is it possible that there are two complete sets, like the first 180 of the Topps set? A white back and a gray back? Anyone else see this in their Mother's for 52? (and who knows, maybe 53)? While I'm asking about Mothers--has anyone actually seen one of the Hollywood Stars schedule backs? I haven't. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2016 22:30:24 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mother's Cookies variations? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Definitely some color variations in the 52 set. I have this listed on my Stan Hack wantlist: 1952 60 Mothers Cookies- Black (Black Belt) 1952 60 Mothers Cookies- Brown (Brown Belt) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/27/2016 4:59:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I know not too many here collect the 52 and 53 Mother's Cookies, but some do. I just picked up a small group of them and used them to fill in spots, and in a few cases, upgrade. But, while doing my upgrades I noticed that for card #30 in the 1952 set, the one I had, and the one I got were quite distinct. The back on white was white, while the other was a tannish, or dirty white. And the fronts were definitely quite different shades. I found another card in the set where the back difference was just as noticeable, but the fronts, while different, were not nearly as distinctive. I could write off the difference to one side as "65 years of left sitting in the sun", perhaps, but not both sides, and not multiple cards. Is it possible that there are two complete sets, like the first 180 of the Topps set? A white back and a gray back? Anyone else see this in their Mother's for 52? (and who knows, maybe 53)? While I'm asking about Mothers--has anyone actually seen one of the Hollywood Stars schedule backs? I haven't. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 16:21:34 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Thanks , Subject: A Cajun Christmas / Southern Secret Santa From: Mike Mackie My Secret Santa was Father PATRICK WATTIGNY who delivers a cheerful red envelope with a trio of 1970 Kelloggs hits including Aparicio and Santo. He also hits my son's Brewers collection with a stack of UV mostly Brewers. Thanks so much!! I hope everyone is enjoying the holiday season and best wishes for the new year!! Mike MackieOBC ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:14:33 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Thanks for all the Mother's comments, especially Mark From: As per usual with this group--ask and ye shall learn. Thank you for all the comments on the 52 Mothers Cookies. I was aware of the "normal" variations listed, like black belt/brown belt and the Chuck Stevens "what team does he play for" cards. Mark M. shed the light I was looking for on the back differences with the "two print run" story. That explains a lot, and probably means that, if I was truly insane, I would need to collect two of each--right, like I'm going to stumble across ONE Chuck Connors that I can afford, much less two. I think I'll be sticking to just one of each. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 18:06:56 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Post Quest From: Thomas W. Billing Happy New Year to all. I have my Post card quest down to three cards now. I need the budget-busting 1963 #128 Kasko and worse is the 1962 #74 Sam Baker (ouch). The one less straining, and one I am hoping to get help with is 1962 #67 Bobby Mitchell. The quest was to complete the Cincinnati Reds Post cards as well as the 1962 Cleveland Browns cards. I have been busy buying what I need from COMC and eBay and hope to get advice on these last three. Tom Billing ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 20:13:08 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Post Quest From: Ken M Tom,  I can't give you any advice on the football cards, as I haven't had the displeasure of trying to complete that set. Actually, or unfortunately, I don't have much advice at all other than you'll probably need a lot of luck or to be on the look out for a careless seller. Otherwise, you'll have to find one at a price you can live with and take Guru's advice and get off your wallet.   I got my Kasko at a recent National because I happened to be at the right place at the right time. I just happened to be looking at Roger Neufeldt's discount case at the exact moment when he (or his helper) opened it to put in the Kasko. I don't think he got a chance to take his hand off the card because I recognized it right away as one of the last two or three I needed at the time to complete the set (I still need the Aspromonte)... I also caught a glimpse of the price as he was putting it into the case. It was under $50 and probably closer to 25 or 30 (and knowing Roger, I might've paid the lower of those two).  So, like with a lot of the cards on our lists, I can't offer any advice other than, "Good luck!" Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Thomas W. Billing billingtw@sbcglobal.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Dec 28, 2016 6:07 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Post Quest Happy New Year to all. I have my Post card quest down to three cards now. I need the budget-busting 1963 #128 Kasko and worse is the 1962 #74 Sam Baker (ouch). The one less straining, and one I am hoping to get help with is 1962 #67 Bobby Mitchell. The quest was to complete the Cincinnati Reds Post cards as well as the 1962 Cleveland Browns cards. I have been busy buying what I need from COMC and eBay and hope to get advice on these last three.Thanks,Tom Billing------------------------------------Posted by: Thomas W. Billing ------------------------------------The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message.Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approve ================= Date: 28 Dec 2016 18:55:24 -0800 To: Subject: Reverse Gremlin From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2016 20:24:10 -0800 To: OBC - Ramlings Subject: 1962 Topps waiver wire From: Gary Beard Here are my woody's. Again, I'll hold these for a day or two to make sure everyone that can use something can get something. Please remember to include your address. 1962 Topps Baseball 2 19 38 86 132 209 268 363 433 4 23 43 89 152 224 276 364 444 6 26 47 94 156 238 277 375 11 28 66 101 168 255 344 419 16 32 69 106 206 257 359 422 Gary Beard 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 http://garybeardbbcards.webs.com/high.htm ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 15:07:10 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Post Koufax with blue lines From: For those who are looking for this--it isn't marked as a blue line version, but, judging from the bidding, it hasn't gone completely unnoticed. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-POST-109-SANDY-KOUFAX-EX-/361863643917?hash=item5440c1030d:g:8XMAAOSw2xRYYARN ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 10:51:52 -0500 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Post Koufax with blue lines From: Anthony I have been the higher bidder for a day=A4=97 Sent from my iPad > On Dec 29, 2016, at 10:07 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > For those who are looking for this--it isn't marked as a blue line version, but, judging from the bidding, it hasn't gone completely unnoticed. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1962-POST-109-SANDY-KOUFAX-EX-/361863643917?hashitem5440c1030d:g:8XMAAOSw2xRYYARN ================= Date: 29 Dec 2016 15:41:40 -0800 To: Subject: error or printing variation From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 23:56:25 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] error or printing variation From: richard dingman On mine there is nothing off in the registration. I find many cards have a slight alignment issue when printing different colors, or printing color in tight spots, and personally, though I am a nut for weird stuff, I generally don't find this interesting enough to be collectable or considered a variation. Richard D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 29, 2016 6:41 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] error or printing variation I have a question regarding #522 in 1967. On the back the number (black circle with number) is partially off the white circle. Is this common? Take care, Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:05:00 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2017 Collecting Goals From: Andy Cook Any help towards these goals is appreciated. 1. Obtain three more E90-3s (need 15) 2. Complete a football set on my wantlist (59 Bell Brand, 60T, 63T, 67P) 3. Complete either 1978 or 1979 Hostess 4. Accumulate 50 T205s (currently have two) Happy New Year OBC! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2016 19:05:59 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2017 Goals From: Yahoo My one year anniversary for O.B.C will be January 26. I did not set out any goals in my first year but I was able to complete my 1953 topps set thanks to a large purchase from Wes shepherd, and the help of Nick Pelletier, he found the last card I needed the Willie Mays in Canadaright at the price I was looking to pay for it. I Completed my 1969 Deckle edge, 1974 traded, 1975, 1976 traded, and 1978 baseball Now for my 2017 goals No order of priority. #1 Complete 1973 Topps baseball set need 15. #2 Complete 1974 Topps baseball set need 5. #3 Complete 1975 Topps Football set need 32. #4 Complete 1976 Topps baseball set need 17. #5 Complete 1977 Topps baseball set need 1. #6 Complete 1979 Topps baseball set need 2. #7 And my ambitions goal is to complete my 1954 Topps baseball set need 70. #8 try and make a impact on the 1938 Horrors of war set need 226. #9. Get more ROAK's sent out. if only I could get 26 hours in a day, and be able to run on 2 hrs sleep a day. Jerry Barnes Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:22:07 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2017 Collecting Goals and a HUGE, HUGE thank you From: Patrick Prickett So, I was just about to craft a message that said ... my collecting goals for 2017 remain the same as they have been for the last couple years ... down to the same 10 cards: 1) 1952 Topps Peter Reiser grey back2) 1923 W572s ofBarbare, Cadore, Duncan, Heilmann, Parkinson, Rapp, Rigney, Sewell, and Wambsganns Yes, I'm collecting other sets and cards - but in truth those 10 cards are so far above everything else on my wantlist it's not funny. (Although I did pick up a 1923 W572 uncut strip that I needed this year - and it was in NM condition - so it wasn't a badyear to date.) BUT.... that email just changed thanks to Andy Huntoon! Andy just let me know that one of these - and HOFer Joe Sewell no less - was for sale on Ebay. I hit the Buy-It-Now so fast that I forgot that Ebay had sent me a notice saying I had an 8% Ebucks offer for today. In truth, I'm not the least bit upset about forgetting to activate the offerbecause I'm just THRILLED to have a hit to one of these! I've spent years searching - and 4 of these I have never even seen a picture of. I can't thank OBC (and Andy in particular enough!). By far my best Christmas present of the year! Ps - If I can get just one of these next year - it will be a successful year! ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:11:30 -0500 To: Obc Ranblings Subject: 76 isley's disc question From: JDahms ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:51:11 -0800 Subject: Looking backwards, and looking forward........2016/2017 From: "Grant Rainsley" Well, looking back at 2016 is pretty easy....generally not a good year for us in a few ways, I'm not sorry to see the end of it...it's almost over. Overall a very good year for cards hitting my doorstep...no complaints there. And I haven't ever done a "resolution quest" list, so I guess I met last year's challenge, which didn't even exist. It's so hard to be a collector where I am, (Glenn, thinking of you here)..I have never seen the point in even putting out a Resolutions List, since I likely couldn't fulfill it.. Truth be told, if it wasn't for OBC, I would likely have given up on the hobby some years ago. You guys (and those past) have made all the difference, have kept me in it, and have kept my interest in the hobby alive. You are incredible, and very hard to keep up with. Next year (1 day from now) will be my 20th year in OBC....I think that speaks for itself! It is simply a damned good place to be. So on to 2017..and Resolutions.... -I'm really going to try harder to send out more stuff. I blame myself more than anything else here. I could make more time for it. Mea Culpa. I did get several envelopes sent out a couple of days ago, which felt good, but there is lots of room for improvement there. That's all on me. Some of the wantlists on OBC really get me down though, there are a lot of guys I want to hit, and just can't. (You know who you are!) -I'd like to go through the boxes of sets I have put away and see if there are any gremlins...(I'll come to OBC whining if there are.) Maybe even think about selling off some sets that I don't really care about, to finance my quest for things like a '56 Clemente and a'57 Frank and B.Robby. If I end up down-sizing, my wife will be happy, thinking she is going to reap the rewards.....Only in freed-up house space, Honey.....other cards will be coming in. (But why doesn't she clear out some of her stuff? Just askin'.) -I'd like to use the "OBC-Wantlist" more often than every 2-3 years as I do now. Especially when I get a set down to 20 cards or less....I don't know why I don't use it more often, since it always seems to result in some damage to my works in progress. Thanks to all who have responded to it in the past. And I resolve to try harder to respond to other's Wantlist -I intend to focus on '56 and'57 this year..'56 is much closer than '57, and is doable...but the accidental start I got on the '57 set has really grabbed my attention, and last year I likely knocked off 150 hits through various means, including and especially OBC...I never intended to start it, but I'm down to around 50 cards now, and have to give full credit to OBC, along with a couple of purchases on Net 54 and COMC. -Okay, this one is odd....I know OBC members understand that it is not so hard or expensive or unreliable to send to Canada as many seem to think. My goal is to educate Net 54 to also start thinking that way, and realize it is not so onerous or risky. It's just bloody slow when you get Canada Post involved, and we are used to that up here. (I'll NEVER make a Resolution to tackle the sellers on Ebay.) I guess that's it. Not too bad, for my first OBC Resolution List, but that is just my opinion. Happy New Year gang, I wish you all very good things for 2017. ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 16:59:35 -0800 To: JDahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 76 isley's disc question From: John Stamper I used the full sheet and made six card slots...two across and three down. You can use four pocket sheets, but I liked being able to get more per page. Just use a good saver, razor blade, straight edge and a piece of cardboard and make any size pockets from a large single pocket. If you're only doing the one set, I would use four pockets. John Stamper > On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:11 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Someone was asking how to display these. Thought someone in the group might have a suggestion > Thanks > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: JDahms Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 01:32:53 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 76 isley's disc question From: JAY TYSVER ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:14:52 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Reprints on eBay From: Andy Huntoon So I'm looking through the prewar stuff on eBay just now and I start scrolling through some t207 reprints. I keep scrolling. Keep scrolling. Start scrolling faster. Faster. Then say to myself, "what moron took the time to scan and list every damn card from a t207 reprint set with one card per auction at $1.55 and free shipping!? How many of these will realistically sell? Who wastes all that time and energy to do this just to maybe make a couplebucks at most? Why? What the hell!" I had to vent to someone and my wife and kids could care less and wouldn't understand anyway, so y'all get an email. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'Andy Huntoon'" , Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 18:19:53 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Reprints on eBay From: "Grant Rainsley" Simply because some people will do anything for money...not to mention that there is one born every minute. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 30, 2016 6:15 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Reprints on eBay So I'm looking through the prewar stuff on eBay just now and I start scrolling through some t207 reprints. I keep scrolling. Keep scrolling. Start scrolling faster. Faster. Then say to myself, "what moron took the time to scan and list every damn card from a t207 reprint set with one card per auction at $1.55 and free shipping!? How many of these will realistically sell? Who wastes all that time and energy to do this just to maybe make a couple bucks at most? Why? What the hell!" I had to vent to someone and my wife and kids could care less and wouldn't understand anyway, so y'all get an email. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 21:22:08 -0500 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reprints on eBay From: Jimi Thayer Unfortunately because somewhere there is a buyer. I just checked eBay results using "t207 reprint" and there were 44 of those sold. Same concept as taking a set like 1978 Topps and selling every card individually. Pain in the butt to do, but hey...type "1978 Topps Cliff Johnson" and you'll see that 13 individual 1978 Topps Cliff Johnson cards have been sold from $1.36 to $11.50. If you need it, then I guess you buy it. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So I'm looking through the prewar stuff on eBay just now and I start scrolling through some t207 reprints. I keep scrolling. Keep scrolling. Start scrolling faster. Faster. Then say to myself, "what moron took the time to scan and list every damn card from a t207 reprint set with one card per auction at $1.55 and free shipping!? How many of these will realistically sell?Who wastes all that time and energy to do this just to maybe make a couplebucks at most? Why? What the hell!" > I had to vent to someone and my wife and kids could care less and wouldn't understand anyway, so y'all get an email. > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wantlist Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 02:30:53 +0000 Subject: DONRUSS DECEMBER isn't over yet! From: Aaron Shirley So, DONRUSS DECEMBER is almost - but not quite - over. How did we do? I forone did pretty well with at least 8 guys sending me cards because of it: Dan Angland, Donnie Barnett, Mike Galbreath, Mike Glasser, Ken Goetsch, GregHenthorn, Rick Lyons, Randy Welk. Thanks again to all of you. I hope you all got some cards you enjoyed, too. Oh, and I'm guessing at least one of the packages I get when I get home, after this 2-week vacation, will have more Donruss in it. Another fun benefit is it forced me to do some organizing. I sifted and sorted through a lot of stuff which resulted in placing plenty of new things in my dupes box. So I guess overall, the dupes box is net positive, but hey,I also got to send cards out that I wouldn't otherwise have done, so I'll focus on that. So, take one last look at DONRUSS DECEMBER if you please: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lqj96bNd_s8CQcqjltG4zzcmw_sMW6obTow70_qzgbo/edit?uspsharing Thanks for the action, fellas, and have a happy new year. And look for FLEER FEBRUARY when the time comes! ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2016 22:40:54 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2016/2017 collecting goals From: Doug DeJong Well, 2016 was definitely a great one from the perspective of my card collection. Never guessed I would finish four sets from the 50's (1954, 1955, 1956 and 1959 Topps) in one year. There are a number of factors for that, of which OBC is a major part. It has been great having the time and opportunity to hit up card shows after not having many around before I moved to NC. But besides a number of shows in NC, I was able to get to card shows in Minnesota, Kansas, Florida, and Ohio, meeting a number of new OBCers for the first time. . It also helps from a budget perspective having all the kids now grown and out of college! My 2016 goals were pretty modest in retrospect: 1. 400 total hits -- ended up with well over 1,000 plus I started several new sets. 2. Complete the following sets: 1956 Topps --- done 1961 Fleer --- done 1970 Topps -- done 1971 Topps Football game Inserts --- done 3. 1955 Topps --- Get down to 25 --- finished 4. 1957 Topps =E2=93 Get down to 20 -- down to four 5. 1971 Topps =E2=93 Get down to 35 -- down to two 6. Send out more OBC ROAKs --- not sure I succeeded there. In addition to these goals I started a bunch of new sets (1952 Topps, 1953 Bowman, 1960 Fleer), my first football sets and some non-sports. Thanks to all the OBCers that have helped along the way! For 2017 I hope to get the following accomplished: 1. Send out a LOT more OBC ROAKs. 2. Complete the 1953 Bowman set. 3. Complete the 1971 Topps. 4. Complete the 1960 Topps football. 5. Cut my wantlists in half for 1958, 1961, 1964, and 1972 Topps baseball sets, and the 1961 Topps football set. 6. Add ten T206 hits. 7. Add 20 1952 Topps hits. 8. Knock off 25 of my newly created Top 100 Most Wanted list. 9. Stay focused and not add any new sets until I complete at least three current sets. (History suggests I will fail at this one). Hope everyone has a great 2017!! Doug DeJong ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Mac Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 14:45:45 +0000 Subject: Re: 2016 COLLECTING GOALS From: Mac Wubben It's that time of year again...reflecting on the past year of collecting. 23 Sets off of the list and 24 sets added. See lists below for details. Of course the big addition of the year was adding our daughter to the family. The collecting habits will of course change a bit. Part of that changeis trying to focus my collecting on cards I enjoy...seems simple enough. The hard part is getting rid of stuff I don't enjoy as much. I'm startingwith the 52 Topps high numbers...we will see how that goes. Maybe the type set will finally get off the ground. Here's hoping for a great 2017! Review of goals: One hit to the top 5 list: (Got the Zeenut Southworth after a decade of trying...oh 1 Red Cross Tobacco Lajoie 2 1916 Zeenut Billy Southworth --Got Him...added Baseball Bats Lajoie 3 1927 Middy Bread Die-Cut Billy Southworth 4 E105 Mello Mint Lajoie 5 t213-3 Lajoie 2016 Goals T210: Find 3 of the 7 I need--Bad Year for T210s...landed 0. T207: Find 1 of the big 4...Picked up Miller and Donlin...just need Lewis and 1914/1915 Cracker Jacks: Cut the need list to 10 or less --with Rickey on the way, I am down to 9! Got the matty this year. E92: Find the last two commons and one of the big 3 stars...Got one of the commons and one of the big 3 left 1921 Exhibits knock the list in half (from 22 to 11)...Found 6 1939 Play Ball! Finish it: (Just Need: 26 Joe D. 119 131)...Got them (Thanks Joe A!) 1941 Goudey: Finish Base Set (Just need: 23 Young 32 Coffman) Finished! 49 Bowman: Bring the list down to 3 (from 10) List stands at 6. 2017 Goals Hit 95% of OBC with at least one package. One hit from the top 5 list! T210: Find 3 of the 7 I need T207: Pick up one of the last 2 Cracker Jacks...Get the list from 9 to 4. Would love to Finished 59 Fleer. Finish the 68 OPC Poster Set...need the Mantle Finish the 1941 Double Play set (standing at 8) Pick up one of the piles of caramel Honus Wagners that I need Sets Finished: -Finished the 1939 Play Ball set with a Joe Dimaggio from Joe Adriance -Finished the base 1941 Goudey set...now just need to work on color variations -Officially gave up on 51 Bowman and 52 Topps...as I wasn't going to chase the big two in either. -Finished the annoying color bio variations on the 53 Topps -Finished the 1961 Golden Press set -Finished the 1961 Post set with help from John Stamper -Finished the 1963 Salada Coin set with set Killers from Sal Domino - Finished the 1969 Topps Decals set - Finished the 1971 Kelloggs, 72 All Time Greats, 72 Kelloggs, 75 through 79 Kelloggs and the whole run (no variations) -Finished the 1971 OPC...and the OPC run (of cards, need a poster still) with hits from Steve Rittenberg -Started and finished the 1976 SSPC set -Finished the 1975 Hostess set with help from Jay Tysver -Finished the 1976 Hostess set -Finished the 1977 Topps Cloth Stickers -Finished the 1979 Hostess with help from Ken Morganti Sets added: E97 Briggs T200 Fatima Teams Batter Ups 1964 Topps Stand-Ups 1964 & 1966 Venezeulan 1967 Red Sox Stickers 1967 OPC...a rare second set attempt 1968 Topps Posters 1971 Topps Supers 1972 Topps Posters 1978 Burger King Rangers...dangerous territory And of course, a huge run of football. 1955 Topps all american, 1960 Topps, 1965-1968 Topps, 1972 Topps, 1974-1977 Topps and 1979 Topps. From: Mac Wubben Sent: Friday, January 1, 2016 1:14 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2016 COLLECTING GOALS Year in review Sets Started: T216 Kottons, E94 George Close Candy, 1935 Diamond Matchbooks(black borders, Team name on back and Chicago Cubs), and a second 1953 Bowman Sets Finished: P2 Pins, T3 Turkey Reds, B18 Blankets (one of each player), 1934 Goudey, 1935 Diamond Matchbook Chicago Cubs, 1970 Topps Supers, 1971 Topps second set, 1973 Kelloggs, 1974 Kelloggs, 1978 Hostess, 1978 Big T/Tastee Freez discs, 1980 Kelloggs 2015 Goals Review Say it every year--Type Set--Sort of started. Finish B18 Blankets (need 6) -- Done 4 Hits to the T210 list (need 19)--Great year for T210's...12 hits, down to7 Finish the P2 Pins--Need 3--Done 1 hit to the t207 list (need 5)--Got one, Down to Big 4 (expensive nobodies) 7 hits to the Cracker Jack list (need 22)--Bought and Sold many CJ's again this year. Crossed Walter Johnson off..ended up needing 17 Finish T3 base set and pick up 1 of the 2 variations--Finished base set andnabbed a variation 5 hits to the E92 (need 7)--only got two (need 5 now) 10 hits to the 49B list (need 25) Got 15 hits (need 10) 3 hits to the 52T list (need 27)--Great year for 52T highs, 18 hits...only need 5 hits to the 71 OPC list (need 10)--7 hits, down to 3 One hit to the top 5 list: (no hits this year [☹] ) 1 Red Cross Tobacco Lajoie 2 1916 Zeenut Billy Southworth 3 1927 Middy Bread Die-Cut Billy Southworth 4 E105 Mello Mint Lajoie 5 t213-3 Lajoie 2016 Goals T210: Find 3 of the 7 I need T207: Find 1 of the big 4 1914/1915 Cracker Jacks: Cut the need list to 10 or less E92: Find the last two commons and one of the big 3 stars 1921 Exhibits knock the list in half (from 22 to 11) 1939 Play Ball! Finish it: (Just Need: 26 Joe D. 119 131) 1941 Goudey: Finish Base Set (Just need: 23 Young 32 Coffman) 49 Bowman: Bring the list down to 3 (from 10) 52 Topps: Bring the list down to 4 (from 9) 1959 Fleer Ted Williams: Finish it! (need Ted Signs...surprise) 1961 Post Finish it! (Just need: 70 Woodling 115 Farrell and 183 Mcmillan) 71 OPC: Finish it! (Just need: 535 Flood 543 Yankees 560 Staub ) Finish All the 70's sets on my list except 1 (70 Rold Gold, 71 OPC, 71 Fleer, (71, 72, 75,76,77, 78, 79 Kelloggs) 75,76,79 Hostess and 1977 Topps Cloth Add a major pre-war set or maybe two. Add a few 50's and 60's sets. Overall, a very good year for the collection. I finished off a number of long term projects, but now I have to figure out what to add to make my lists a bit better. Happy 2016 to Everyone! ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 10:44:40 -0500 To: obc Ramblings Subject: 2017 Collecting Goals From: LAWRENCE TIPTON When I look at all these cards on my shelves, it=E2=99s hard to believe it all started (re-started) in 1988 when my oldest son Joey brought home a pack of 1988 Donruss. =E2=9CI remember collecting baseball cards!=E2=9D I see the threads on Net54. As vintage set collectors pass on, their kids have no interest in cardboard, and soon the market will be flooded with 50s and 60s cards with no buyers. It=E2=99s time to sell! Set collectors area thing of the past, ship those vintage RCs to PSA and hope for a =E2=9Cbump=E2=9D, and sell sell sell! Times have changed brother! What happened and =E2=9CGet the he** off my lawn!=E2=9D I forget that I have been in this =E2=9Cgame=E2=9D for nearly 30 years, and it=E2=99s not liked I dropped a pile of cash last week to accumulate all these cards. It=E2=99s been a love affair with hours and hours and hours of enjoyment! It seems like only yesterday Bob Neill would mail me(to Mustang Oklahoma) a 400 count box STUFFED with hits. Rick Keating and I had a constant flow of cardboard it=E2=99s been awhile since I sent off something to Bridgeton, MO. Rick I hope you are well! OBC has made my life much better. MUCH better! I=E2=99ve now been retired six years, and $$$ wise I=E2=99m going to be fine. But who really knows? I saved and gave and sacrificed for years, just like all of you guys did or are doing. I was very lucky and I worked hard too. But I=E2=99m not in a save mode anymore this may or may not be smart LOL! OK I do save $50 each month for each one of my grandkids (I=E2=99ve got eight now), and for their birthdays and Christmas I give them a piece of paper telling them how much they have in their account. My oldest granddaughter is 13 now and she appreciates it. The younger ones would rather have another crappy toy LOL! This started out to be a message listing my collecting goals for 2017. As you might guess I don=E2=99t have a clear direction of where to go next. I can=E2=99t bring myself to sell anything, even though it=E2=99s been awhile since I thumbed through my 1961 Topps set. I don=E2=99t need tosell either as my collection represents 0% of my retirement portfolio. About the only time I get into these cards is when I happen across some bargains and I check for upgrades, yet I hope for MANY more years of enjoyment out of my cards. One of these years I will thumb through ALL my cards and come up with an upgrade list. 2017 Goals: 1. Attend this years National Convention, and take time to visit more with OBC members in attendance. Chances are the cards will still be there. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:05:17 -0500 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting Goals From: Mike Glasser My new goal is to be Larry when I get to retire! Awesome ramble. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD 14630 York Rd Sparks, MD 21152 > On Dec 31, 2016, at 10:44 AM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > When I look at all these cards on my shelves, it=E2=99s hard to believe it all started (re-started) in 1988 when my oldest son Joey brought home a pack of 1988 Donruss. =E2=9CI remember collecting baseball cards!=E2=9D > I see the threads on Net54. As vintage set collectors pass on, their kidshave no interest in cardboard, and soon the market will be flooded with 50s and 60s cards with no buyers. It=E2=99s time to sell! Set collectors are a thing of the past, ship those vintage RCs to PSA and hope for a =E2=9Cbump=E2=9D, and sell sell sell! Times have changed brother! What happened and =E2=9CGet the he** off my lawn!=E2=9D > I forget that I have been in this =E2=9Cgame=E2=9D for nearly 30 years, and it=E2=99s not liked I dropped a pile of cash last week to accumulate all these cards. It=E2=99s been a love affair with hours and hoursand hours of enjoyment! It seems like only yesterday Bob Neill would mail me (to Mustang Oklahoma) a 400 count box STUFFED with hits. Rick Keating and I had a constant flow of cardboard it=E2=99s been awhile since I sent off something to Bridgeton, MO. Rick I hope you are well! OBC has made my life much better. MUCH better! > I=E2=99ve now been retired six years, and $$$ wise I=E2=99m going to be fine. But who really knows? I saved and gave and sacrificed for years,just like all of you guys did or are doing. I was very lucky and I worked hard too. But I=E2=99m not in a save mode anymore this may or may not besmart LOL! OK I do save $50 each month for each one of my grandkids (I=E2=99ve got eight now), and for their birthdays and Christmas I give them a piece of paper telling them how much they have in their account. My oldest granddaughter is 13 now and she appreciates it. The younger ones would rather have another crappy toy LOL! > This started out to be a message listing my collecting goals for 2017. Asyou might guess I don=E2=99t have a clear direction of where to go next. I can=E2=99t bring myself to sell anything, even though it=E2=99s been awhile since I thumbed through my 1961 Topps set. I don=E2=99t need to sell either as my collection represents 0% of my retirement portfolio. About the only time I get into these cards is when I happen across some bargains and I check for upgrades, yet I hope for MANY more years of enjoymentout of my cards. One of these years I will thumb through ALL my cards and come up with an upgrade list. > 2017 Goals: > 1. Attend this years National Convention, and take time to visit more with OBC members in attendance. Chances are the cards will still be there. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:20:48 -0500 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reprints on eBay From: Mike Glasser And then we have to scroll through all that crap to find something worth having. I agree. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD The Goddard School in Bare Hills, MD 14630 York Rd Sparks, MD 21152 > On Dec 30, 2016, at 9:14 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So I'm looking through the prewar stuff on eBay just now and I start scrolling through some t207 reprints. I keep scrolling. Keep scrolling. Start scrolling faster. Faster. Then say to myself, "what moron took the time to scan and list every damn card from a t207 reprint set with one card per auction at $1.55 and free shipping!? How many of these will realistically sell?Who wastes all that time and energy to do this just to maybe make a couplebucks at most? Why? What the hell!" > I had to vent to someone and my wife and kids could care less and wouldn't understand anyway, so y'all get an email. > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 16:26:57 +0000 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting Goals From: Great sentiments! Although my collection is nowhere near as vast as yours, I do fondly remember those days in the early 90's when we both had much more hittable wantlists, and the cards went back and forth between Raleigh and Mustang, along with Texas, California, Chicago, Seattle, and a few otherplaces. Even thought I am FAR too young for retirement, and still have a daughter in college, I also sometimes wonder about my collection and its future. My two boys have an interest in them, so I think the cards will have a home for at least one more generation, but the other "stuff" I've accumulated (yes, you 2000 cereal boxes, I'm talking about you) leave me in a quandary. Like you, I rarely look at them, but I have a hard time bringing myself to the point of divesting myself of anything that isn't a duplicate. Itclearly is a sickness, but I haven't found the cure. Will I really miss having a 1997 Chris Chelios Sugar Crisp box, or a 1995 Toronto Rapters Corn Pops box from Canada? ( I do know I would miss my 1966 Zoilo Versalles Wheaties box). Somehow I don't think my life would be measurably depreciated if I didn't, yet I don't want to take that chance. Maybe it is time to form CA (Collectors Anonymous)? "Hello, my name is Bob and I'm a collectaholic". ---- "LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" When I look at all these cards on my shelves, it=E2=99s hard to believe it all started (re-started) in 1988 when my oldest son Joey brought home a pack of 1988 Donruss. =E2=9CI remember collecting baseball cards!=E2=9D I see the threads on Net54. As vintage set collectors pass on, their kids have no interest in cardboard, and soon the market will be flooded with 50s and 60s cards with no buyers. It=E2=99s time to sell! Set collectors area thing of the past, ship those vintage RCs to PSA and hope for a =E2=9Cbump=E2=9D, and sell sell sell! Times have changed brother! What happened and =E2=9CGet the he** off my lawn!=E2=9D I forget that I have been in this =E2=9Cgame=E2=9D for nearly 30 years, and it=E2=99s not liked I dropped a pile of cash last week to accumulate all these cards. It=E2=99s been a love affair with hours and hours and hours of enjoyment! It seems like only yesterday Bob Neill would mail me(to Mustang Oklahoma) a 400 count box STUFFED with hits. Rick Keating and I had a constant flow of cardboard it=E2=99s been awhile since I sent off something to Bridgeton, MO. Rick I hope you are well! OBC has made my life much better. MUCH better! I=E2=99ve now been retired six years, and $$$ wise I=E2=99m going to be fine. But who really knows? I saved and gave and sacrificed for years, just like all of you guys did or are doing. I was very lucky and I worked hard too. But I=E2=99m not in a save mode anymore this may or may not be smart LOL! OK I do save $50 each month for each one of my grandkids (I=E2=99ve got eight now), and for their birthdays and Christmas I give them a piece of paper telling them how much they have in their account. My oldest granddaughter is 13 now and she appreciates it. The younger ones would rather have another crappy toy LOL! This started out to be a message listing my collecting goals for 2017. As you might guess I don=E2=99t have a clear direction of where to go next. I can=E2=99t bring myself to sell anything, even though it=E2=99s been awhile since I thumbed through my 1961 Topps set. I don=E2=99t need tosell either as my collection represents 0% of my retirement portfolio. About the only time I get into these cards is when I happen across some bargains and I check for upgrades, yet I hope for MANY more years of enjoyment out of my cards. One of these years I will thumb through ALL my cards and come up with an upgrade list. 2017 Goals: 1. Attend this years National Convention, and take time to visit more with OBC members in attendance. Chances are the cards will still be there. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 11:32:38 -0500 To: "" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting Goals From: Doug DeJong That reminds me of the conflict I felt when I last moved and had three massive boxes with stacks of souvenir stadium cups!!! When I go to a game I want to bring back the cup that spotlights some star or championship. I think there were well over 300 plastic cups spanning decades. You cannot possibly display all these things so they are just stacked in some closet. Yes, it is some type of sickness, but as long as you enjoy it don't look for the cure! On Sat, Dec 31, 2016 at 11:26 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Larry, > Great sentiments! Although my collection is nowhere near as vast as yours, > I do fondly remember those days in the early 90's when we both had much > more hittable wantlists, and the cards went back and forth between Raleigh > and Mustang, along with Texas, California, Chicago, Seattle, and a few > other places. Even thought I am FAR too young for retirement, and still > have a daughter in college, I also sometimes wonder about my collection and > its future. My two boys have an interest in them, so I think the cards will > have a home for at least one more generation, but the other "stuff" I've > accumulated (yes, you 2000 cereal boxes, I'm talking about you) leave me in > a quandary. Like you, I rarely look at them, but I have a hard time > bringing myself to the point of divesting myself of anything that isn't a > duplicate. It clearly is a sickness, but I haven't found the cure. Will I > really miss having a 1997 Chris Chelios Sugar Crisp box, or a 1995 Toronto > Rapters Corn Pops box from Canada? ( I do know I would miss my 1966 Zoilo > Versalles Wheaties box). Somehow I don't think my life would be measurably > depreciated if I didn't, yet I don't want to take that chance. Maybe it is > time to form CA (Collectors Anonymous)? "Hello, my name is Bob and I'm a > collectaholic". > Bob > ---- "LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > When I look at all these cards on my shelves, it=E2=99s hard to believe it all > started (re-started) in 1988 when my oldest son Joey brought home a pack of > 1988 Donruss. =E2=9CI remember collecting baseball cards!=E2=9D > I see the threads on Net54. As vintage set collectors pass on, their kids > have no interest in cardboard, and soon the market will be flooded with 50s > and 60s cards with no buyers. It=E2=99s time to sell! Set collectors are a thing > of the past, ship those vintage RCs to PSA and hope for a =E2=9Cbump=E2=9D, and sell > sell sell! Times have changed brother! What happened and =E2=9CGet thehe** > my lawn!=E2=9D > I forget that I have been in this =E2=9Cgame=E2=9D for nearly 30 years, and it=E2=99s not > liked I dropped a pile of cash last week to accumulate all these cards. > It=E2=99s been a love affair with hours and hours and hours of enjoyment! > seems like only yesterday Bob Neill would mail me (to Mustang Oklahoma) a > 400 count box STUFFED with hits. Rick Keating and I had a constant flow of > cardboard it=E2=99s been awhile since I sent off something to Bridgeton, > Rick I hope you are well! OBC has made my life much better. MUCH better! > I=E2=99ve now been retired six years, and $$$ wise I=E2=99m going to be fine. But > who really knows? I saved and gave and sacrificed for years, just like all > of you guys did or are doing. I was very lucky and I worked hard too. But > I=E2=99m not in a save mode anymore this may or may not be smart LOL! OK I do > save $50 each month for each one of my grandkids (I=E2=99ve got eight now), > for their birthdays and Christmas I give them a piece of paper telling them > how much they have in their account. My oldest granddaughter is 13 now and > she appreciates it. The younger ones would rather have another crappy toy > LOL! > This started out to be a message listing my collecting goals for 2017. As > you might guess I don=E2=99t have a clear direction of where to go next. I can=E2=99t > bring myself to sell anything, even though it=E2=99s been awhile sinceI > through my 1961 Topps set. I don=E2=99t need to sell either as my collection > represents 0% of my retirement portfolio. About the only time I get into > these cards is when I happen across some bargains and I check for upgrades, > yet I hope for MANY more years of enjoyment out of my cards. One of these > years I will thumb through ALL my cards and come up with an upgrade list. > 2017 Goals: > 1. Attend this years National Convention, and take time to visit more with > OBC members in attendance. Chances are the cards will still be there. ================= Date: 31 Dec 2016 08:43:15 -0800 To: Subject: TOP TEN OR SO WANT LIST From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 12:20:33 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] DONRUSS DECEMBER isn't over yet! From: Mike Glasser I didn't count but I did very well with Donruss December. Thanks to DD, I created want lists for all the 80's lists and I finally organized my dupes and was able to send them on to those who need them. Just because DD is over doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue to send andreceive them though. Thanks to all who helped my collection grow this month. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings ; Wantlist Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 9:31 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] DONRUSS DECEMBER isn't over yet! So, DONRUSS DECEMBER is almost - but not quite - over. How did we do? I forone did pretty well with at least 8 guys sending me cards because of it: Dan Angland, Donnie Barnett, Mike Galbreath, Mike Glasser, Ken Goetsch, GregHenthorn, Rick Lyons, Randy Welk. Thanks again to all of you. I hope you all got some cards you enjoyed, too. Oh, andI'm guessing at least one of thepackages I get when I get home, after this 2-week vacation, will have moreDonruss in it. Another fun benefit is it forced me to do some organizing. I sifted and sorted through a lot of stuff which resulted in placing plenty of new things in my dupes box. So I guess overall, the dupes box is net positive, but hey,I also got to send cards out that I wouldn't otherwise have done, so I'll focus on that. So, take one last look at DONRUSS DECEMBER if you please: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lqj96bNd_s8CQcqjltG4zzcmw_sMW6obTow70_qzgbo/edit?uspsharing Thanks for the action, fellas, and have a happy new year. And look for FLEER FEBRUARY when the time comes! ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:09:27 +0000 (UTC) To: John Stamper , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 76 isley's disc question From: Geno Wagner I display them with a pint of beer on top of them!!I Take Care,Geno Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Fri, Dec 30, 2016 at 19:59, John Stamper holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] I used the full sheet and made six card slots...two across and three down. You can use four pocket sheets, but I liked being able to get more per page. Just use a good saver, razor blade, straight edge and a piece of cardboard and make any size pockets from a large single pocket. If you're only doing the one set, I would use four pockets. John Stamper On Dec 30, 2016, at 3:11 PM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Someone was asking how to display these. Thought someone in the group mighthave a suggestion Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone ================= To: Mike Glasser Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:16:52 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] DONRUSS DECEMBER isn't over yet! From: Aaron Shirley True, we can still send mucho Donruss. The link will still be active and you can share the link with anyone else you'd like. Thanks for your thoughts. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2016, at 12:20 PM, Mike Glasser > I didn't count but I did very well with Donruss December. Thanks to DD, I created want lists for all the 80's lists and I finally organized my dupes and was able to send them on to those who need them. Just because DD is over doesn't mean that we shouldn't continue to send andreceive them though. Thanks to all who helped my collection grow this month. Mike Glasser The Goddard School in Sparks, MD 14630 York Road Sparks, MD 21152 -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings >; Wantlist > Sent: Fri, Dec 30, 2016 9:31 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] DONRUSS DECEMBER isn't over yet! So, DONRUSS DECEMBER is almost - but not quite - over. How did we do? I forone did pretty well with at least 8 guys sending me cards because of it: Dan Angland, Donnie Barnett, Mike Galbreath, Mike Glasser, Ken Goetsch, GregHenthorn, Rick Lyons, Randy Welk. Thanks again to all of you. I hope you all got some cards you enjoyed, too. Oh, and I'm guessing at least one of the packages I get when I get home, after this 2-week vacation, will have more Donruss in it. Another fun benefit is it forced me to do some organizing. I sifted and sorted through a lot of stuff which resulted in placing plenty of new things in my dupes box. So I guess overall, the dupes box is net positive, but hey,I also got to send cards out that I wouldn't otherwise have done, so I'll focus on that. So, take one last look at DONRUSS DECEMBER if you please: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lqj96bNd_s8CQcqjltG4zzcmw_sMW6obTow70_qzgbo/edit?uspsharing Thanks for the action, fellas, and have a happy new year. And look for FLEER FEBRUARY when the time comes! ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 12:48:28 -0600 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, LAWRENCE TIPTON , obc Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2017 Collecting Goals From: mzentko ================= Date: 31 Dec 2016 11:50:06 -0800 To: Subject: How did I get here from there? My obsession with pictures on cardboard. From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 15:08:31 -0500 To: b_betza@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did I get here from there? My obsession From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ROFLOL!!! There seems to a real ying and yang within the OBC group in the last couple of years. A few guys are thinning their collections and trading/selling off sets they are no longer interested in to focus on certain sets/collections v guys that are now jumping into the deep end and learning to collect EVERYTHING! I have repeatedly told guys that although I would love to finish off sets (I have 76 sets that need 5 or less), I would rather get a group at a great price for a set I do not have, than overpay for the last card or 2 I need in a set I am working on. So my question for Brian, is what happened to 1951 Topps??? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 2:50 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How did I get here from there? My obsession with pictures on cardboard. OK I must confess-- I have never even considered the "Topps Run" before. But as I get ready to add even more sets I had to ask myself--How did I get here from there? In early 2000 I stumbled into a couple '54's at a card show. I decided to buy a couple Pirates and a couple Phillies (including Ashburn) and thought they looked cool. They were put in a box with my '70's star cards and forgotten. Fast forward a bit and I was at another card show and remembered mycollection. I tried to swap my '70's stars for ANYTHING and the dealer passed-- crushing my retirement dreams :). My collecting goals were "The 1954 Topps set". That was it. I ended up at a local card shop hoping to find one more expensive (it was in my pre-Tipton days) '54 when I saw some '66 Pirates in the box.&nb sp; Cool stuff I thought--- searched and found a nice variety of years so I bought those instead. Suddenly the '54 set had company-- I also wanted Topps Pirates. But that was it. I started trading at the end of 2004 and was in OBC at the end of 2005. I added Bowmans and I expanded to include some of the Topps sets that seemed awesome when I looked at my Pirates. '67--'57--'64 etc. Over the years I came to like more and more sets but there were quite a few that I just had a collection of--- starting 9 plus some extras. Accidentally bought a bunch of vintage football on ebay (don't ask) and realized that the '71 and '72sets were from my youth-- so I added those-- then basketball-- and hockey.But that was it. Then as I grew closer to completion on my sets I realized that some of the fun was missing--- I found a great bargain on some '68 FB so that set wa s added-- the Bowman sets were added-- next thing you know the 2 FB sets became 10 or so. Added '60 and '62 Topps. But that was it. Then came last year-- bargain boxes were plentiful-- and I added all of theTopps football sets plus Philly as well. I re -formatted my lists and added a few oddball sets. But that was it!! Then the question came from Mike Rich in response to a plea for a '68 FB checklist. "Do you have the Blue and Green versions of the last checklist?" Next thing you know he sends the one I don't have. And I realize my set really isn't complete without a couple variations (Hill and Rentzler red/Black) so I made room in the binder. So I added a few of those-- I realized that while my Pirate binders were full-- my '53 binder had empty slots wherethe Pirates should be--- so I added those to the list. And those '74 Washington Natls variations were interesting. But that was it!! Then came the card store trip that had me picking up tons of '61-'66-'69 cards. As I was getting ready to add them to the dup box I looked at my binders-- there were '52-'53-'54-'56.... WHAT?? A missing slot!! '62-'64-'67 WHAT?? More missing slots!! My proud collection was now full of holes. What to do? I now find myself adding ALL Topps sets to my wantlist this weekend. ('52-'73 that is) All of them that aren't complete wantlists-- heck even the greenies from '62 will get added once I figure out what I have. All of them-- And that is it!! And you know what?--- I'm happy. Happy to have a list I can find hits to in the bargain box-- happy to be able to look for something besides an overpriced star that I can't afford. My wife asks if I get sick of buying pieces of cardboard with pictures on them. I can honestly tell her I just wanta few more....and I promise that's it :) Thanks for reading and feeding my obsession!! Brian Betza ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 15:49:28 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Factory rarity From: Andy Cook Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't meanDrum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Andy Cook'" , Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 15:51:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity From: "Bob Donaldson" I believe Piedmont Factory 42 is pretty rare, for T206s at least. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 3:49 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't mean Drum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 16:03:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How did I get here from there? (And end year ramble) From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en How great is that story? Sounds a lot like my collecting over the years. Wayyyy back in the early days of OBC, I wanted to collect the 75 mini's. May be my fav set of all time (at that time- 1992). Got to trading them with Saint Al on the *P boards and from Jim Montgomery. Was going to do a full Mets run of Topps (then Donruss, Fleer, Score etc). Went about finishing my 70s sets. I would never start a new set (previous year) until the previous was under 50. I NEEDED to keep focus. Then I broke the chain and did the 1960 birth year. Then I won a starter 1966 set from one of our charity auctions. Then I really liked the 58s, so they were added. Then KEN gave me first greenie (the beginning of my end- VARIATIONS!). A couple years ago, I in the dilemma of needing pretty much just highs in 66, 67. Ok time to start 65. I threw it out to the group and the consensus was "why dont you just list everything, you are going to at some point anyway, and some of your lists are getting too hard". BAM, here we go. Getting to the tough part of the Dodgers, Spike sent me a few Goudeys. Gotta love those. So all in all. I now have listed a full run of Topps on my lists. I have totally ventured into prewar Dodgers (Kind of like Guru when he discovered T cards- I got amped with collecting even more so). The past year has been nuts. Got my first 2 1951 Team cards, Made headway in a bunch of 50s sets. Started going the full route on Dodgers. Picked up all but the last 2 OPC Mets I need to complete that. I am about to get the crowning jewel of my collection (more on that when it comes in- no the Mantle was #2). We were happy back in the day to finish those 70s sets (they were only 15-20 years old at the time) in the Prodigy days. Never in my wildest dreams did I think I would have some of the cardboard I do today. So stuff those old cards in a closet, it's OK. I kind of have an idea what will become of my collection way down the road. I'm not worrying about it, because I am having a blast learning about new (really old) cards, and being Don Sutton- It's been a very good cardboard year for me. I was lucky that I had the opportunity to "get off my wallet" more than a few times this year. Like all of us, there were years I couldn't even get a piece of bubble gum. I get a kick out of handing guys envelopes at the National, and finding some ridiculous keepsake for us to remember it by. Work has bogged me down, so sending has slowed some, but I will catch up. As you know, my collecting year starts when I get home from the National, so a mid year report on my progress will be coming in the next few weeks. So here's to a new year. May 2017 be the year you finish that tough set, find a few 66 high numbers, start a set so ridiculous, you didn't even know it existed 10 years ago. To all my friends I have known upwards of 25 years (OMG! it's my 25th anniversary year- I may have to get my OBC card made into an UD Collectors Choice SILVER edition) may we all get the cardboard we wish for, meet another OBCer we haven't yet, get to the National this year and keep the bonds of friendship we have developed over all this time. May you have a year filled with pictures of men on cardboard. May you fill that hole in your set with a card with a hole in it! Cheers! And lets hoist one up for those members of OBC we have lost over the years... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/31/2016 3:08:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: ROFLOL!!! There seems to a real ying and yang within the OBC group in the last couple of years. A few guys are thinning their collections and trading/selling off sets they are no longer interested in to focus on certain sets/collections v guys that are now jumping into the deep end and learning to collect EVERYTHING! I have repeatedly told guys that although I would love to finish off sets (I have 76 sets that need 5 or less), I would rather get a group at a great price for a set I do not have, than overpay for the last card or 2 I need in a set I am working on. So my question for Brian, is what happened to 1951 Topps??? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 2:50 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How did I get here from there? My obsession with pictures on cardboard. OK I must confess-- I have never even considered the "Topps Run" before. But as I get ready to add even more sets I had to ask myself--How did I get here from there? In early 2000 I stumbled into a couple '54's at a card show. I decided to buy a couple Pirates and a couple Phillies (including Ashburn) and thought they looked cool. They were put in a box with my '70's star cards and forgotten. Fast forward a bit and I was at another card show and remembered my collection. I tried to swap my '70's stars for ANYTHING and the dealer passed-- crushing my retirement dreams :). My collecting goals were "The 1954 Topps set". That was it. I ended up at a local card shop hoping to find one more expensive (it was in my pre-Tipton days) '54 when I saw some '66 Pirates in the box.&nb sp; Cool stuff I thought--- searched and found a nice variety of years so I bought those instead. Suddenly the '54 set had company-- I also wanted Topps Pirates. But that was it. I started trading at the end of 2004 and was in OBC at the end of 2005. I added Bowmans and I expanded to include some of the Topps sets that seemed awesome when I looked at my Pirates. '67--'57--'64 etc. Over the years I came to like more and more sets but there were quite a few that I just had a collection of--- starting 9 plus some extras. Accidentally bought a bunch of vintage football on ebay (don't ask) and realized that the '71 and '72 sets were from my youth-- so I added those-- then basketball-- and hockey. But that was it. Then as I grew closer to completion on my sets I realized that some of the fun was missing--- I found a great bargain on some '68 FB so that set wa s added-- the Bowman sets were added-- next thing you know the 2 FB sets became 10 or so. Added '60 and '62 Topps. But that was it. Then came last year-- bargain boxes were plentiful-- and I added all of the Topps football sets plus Philly as well. I re -formatted my lists and added a few oddball sets. But that was it!! Then the question came from Mike Rich in response to a plea for a '68 FB checklist. "Do you have the Blue and Green versions of the last checklist?" Next thing you know he sends the one I don't have. And I realize my set really isn't complete without a couple variations (Hill and Rentzler red/Black) so I made room in the binder. So I added a few of those-- I realized that while my Pirate binders were full-- my '53 binder had empty slots where the Pirates should be--- so I added those to the list. And those '74 Washington Natls variations were interesting. But that was it!! Then came the card store trip that had me picking up tons of '61-'66-'69 cards. As I was getting ready to add them to the dup box I looked at my binders-- there were '52-'53-'54-'56.... WHAT?? A missing slot!! '62-'64-'67 WHAT?? More missing slots!! My proud collection was now full of holes. What to do? I now find myself adding ALL Topps sets to my wantlist this weekend. ('52-'73 that is) All of them that aren't complete wantlists-- heck even the greenies from '62 will get added once I figure out what I have. All of them-- And that is it!! And you know what?--- I'm happy. Happy to have a list I can find hits to in the bargain box-- happy to be able to look for something besides an overpriced star that I can't afford. My wife asks if I get sick of buying pieces of cardboard with pictures on them. I can honestly tell her I justwant a few more....and I promise that's it :) Thanks for reading and feeding my obsession!! Brian Betza ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 17:04:14 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity From: Andy Cook Sent from my iPad > On Dec 31, 2016, at 4:24 PM, familytoad@comcast.net wrote: > Pied 42 are less available in T205 as well if you are so inclined. > I'd say scarce, but that's a relative term. > The T206 probably carries a larger price premium, but they have a larger collector base overall so it makes sense. > OBC Forever > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: 'Andy Cook', obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: December 31, 2016 at 12:53 PM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity > I believe Piedmont Factory 42 is pretty rare, for T206s at least. > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2016 3:49 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity > Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't mean Drum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? > Thanks, > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:56:15 +0000 Subject: 1952 highs question From: Aaron Shirley I haven't quite finished my goals list for 2017, but it's close. One of theten is 90% sure to be putting together the complete Topps St. Louis Browns. For me, part of the appeal of this mini-collection is that it's only 50 cards. But there are a few doozies: the 1953 Paige of course, and then three1952 highs. I've just now started the process of looking, and truly didn'trealize how uncommon it is to find one of these around. Wondering what tactics you used to find 52 highs affordably. And what affordably can possibly mean. I did a quick look at eBay, Sportlots and COMC... Wow. I honestly won't reach the goal at these prices. I mean, I can't afford those prices, and even if I could, I really don't think I would CHOOSE toafford those prices. I initially thought about doing a goal of all the Topps Browns AND Cardinals, but that adds FOUR MORE 52 highs... and all the Musials... and all the Gibsons. I already buy StL commons and other affordable guys whenever I can.And I also thought about adding all the Bowman... but as a goal, the more I think, the more I'm setting myself up for an unattainable goal. Maybe forthis, it should just be called a priority, not a goal. So that question turned into a ramble. Let's hear how you do 52 highs. What's your modus operandi? How do you choose what you are WILLING to afford? Happy new year! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:06:32 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 highs question From: Joel Freedman you can do as George V does=85.. "CARDS ON MY LIST THAT HAVE REAL SILLY PRICES, TOO EXPENSIVE FOR MY TASTES - A THEORETICAL WANT LIST=94 some of us know we will be short of the ultimate goal! good luck! On Dec 31, 2016, at 5:56 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I haven't quite finished my goals list for 2017, but it's close. One of the ten is 90% sure to be putting together the complete Topps St. Louis Browns. For me, part of the appeal of this mini-collection is that it's only 50cards. But there are a few doozies: the 1953 Paige of course, and then three 1952 highs. I've just now started the process of looking, and truly didn't realize how uncommon it is to find one of these around. > Wondering what tactics you used to find 52 highs affordably. And what affordably can possibly mean. I did a quick look at eBay, Sportlots and COMC... Wow. I honestly won't reach the goal at these prices. I mean, I can't afford those prices, and even if I could, I really don't think I would CHOOSE to afford those prices. > I initially thought about doing a goal of all the Topps Browns AND Cardinals, but that adds FOUR MORE 52 highs... and all the Musials... and all theGibsons. I already buy StL commons and other affordable guys whenever I can. And I also thought about adding all the Bowman... but as a goal, the more I think, the more I'm setting myself up for an unattainable goal. Maybe for this, it should just be called a priority, not a goal. > So that question turned into a ramble. Let's hear how you do 52 highs. What's your modus operandi? How do you choose what you are WILLING to afford? > Happy new year! > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 18:50:21 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 highs question From: Ken M Aaron,   The 52 highs are out there. It's just a matter of how much you can tolerate spending on a card. Granted, I got most of the ones in my set 15-20 years ago at 35-50 bucks per card (excluding Mantle, Reese, Campy, Mathews, etc. of course). But I recently grabbed a couple at 50 bucks each from William Chappelle at the Philly show. JD has had most of a low grade run of high numbers at the previous two Nationals. Heck, Sal picked up a very tipton looking Reese in AC that was less than the price of a common. The Mick is really the only one you'll never be able to reasonably afford. Mathews to a lesser extent, but you can walk into a super deal like Trip did. Your best bet on finding them is at the National of course, then at some of the better three-day vintage shows attended by nationally recognized dealers. I don't attend a lot of monthly shows, but I wouldn't rule out finding some at one or even a flea market or yard/estate sale... but the odds aren't stacked in your f avor - and if there are any, more often than not are priced close to full book, regardless of condition. My two bits, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 5:56 PMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1952 highs question I haven't quite finished my goals list for 2017, but it's close. One of the ten is 90% sure to be putting together the complete Topps St. Louis Browns. For me, part of the appeal of this mini-collection is that it's only 50 cards. But there are a few doozies: the 1953 Paige of course, and then three 1952 highs. I've just now started the process of looking, and truly didn't realize how uncommon it is to find one of these around.Wondering what tactics you used to find 52 highs affordably. And what affordably can possibly mean. I did a quick look at eBay, Sportlots and COMC... Wow. I honestly won't reach the goal at these prices. I mean, I can't afford those prices, and even if I could, I really don't think I would CHOOSE to afford those prices. I initially thought about doing a goal of all the Topps Browns AND Cardinals, but that adds FOUR MORE 52 highs... and all the Musials... and all the Gibsons. I already buy StL commons and other affordable guys whenever I can. And I also thought about adding all the Bowman... but as a goal, the more I think, the more I'm setting myself up for an unattainable goal. Maybe for this, it should just be called a priority, not a goal.So that question turned into a ramble. Let's hear how you do 52 highs. What's your modus operandi? How do you choose what you are WILLING to afford?Happy new year!Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 19:43:34 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 highs question From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I generally cry a lot because there are 16 High's in the Dodger collection (oh yeah TWO versions of Jackie Robinson). Sometimes you get VERY lucky, as Trips did with the high's he found. Ebay can cost you an arm and a leg, anywhere from 60-150+. Don't even look at COMC. Condition? Usually will be pretty rough (did you guys see the Pee Wee I got at the National?). I have resigned myself that, for the most part, these are going to run me 60-100 each (mainly because they are Dodgers). Generally, I have gotten mine fromJD at the National. Aaron, you are the king of the subset want list. Put it out there. If one falls in your lap, excellent... Keep your expectations reasonable. Hey, you never know... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/31/2016 5:56:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I haven't quite finished my goals list for 2017, but it's close. One of the ten is 90% sure to be putting together the complete Topps St. Louis Browns. For me, part of the appeal of this mini-collection is that it's only cards. But there are a few doozies: the 1953 Paige of course, and then three 1952 highs. I've just now started the process of looking, and truly didn't realize how uncommon it is to find one of these around. Wondering what tactics you used to find 52 highs affordably. And what affordably can possibly mean. I did a quick look at eBay, Sportlots and COMC... Wow. I honestly won't reach the goal at these prices. I mean, I can't afford those prices, and even if I could, I really don't think I would CHOOSE to afford those prices. I initially thought about doing a goal of all the Topps Browns AND Cardinals, but that adds FOUR MORE 52 highs... and all the Musials... and all Gibsons. I already buy StL commons and other affordable guys whenever I can. And I also thought about adding all the Bowman... but as a goal, the more I think, the more I'm setting myself up for an unattainable goal. Maybe for this, it should just be called a priority, not a goal. So that question turned into a ramble. Let's hear how you do 52 highs. What's your modus operandi? How do you choose what you are WILLING to afford? Happy new year! Aaron Shirley ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 1 Jan 2017 01:36:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 highs question From: Aaron Shirley Se=F1or Chico and others, "King of the subset wantlist" - I like the sound of that! I had thought about going instead for one card for each guy on the 1944 Browns and Cardinals rosters - the year they both went to the World Series. Then building that idea into a binder with maybe a page per player where possible. A lot of the cards would be from the "after the fact" era, since it would take a lot of work (and probably the same fat wallet I don't have) to find all of them on actual 40's cards... Hmmmmmmm... I guess we'll see when my 2017 goals list gets published! Aaron "king of the subset wantlist" Shirley Sent from my iPhone On Dec 31, 2016, at 7:43 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] I generally cry a lot because there are 16 High's in the Dodger collection (oh yeah TWO versions of Jackie Robinson). Sometimes you get VERY lucky, asTrips did with the high's he found. Ebay can cost you an arm and a leg, anywhere from 60-150+. Don't even look at COMC. Condition? Usually will be pretty rough (did you guys see the Pee Wee I got at the National?). I have resigned myself that, for the most part, these are going to run me 60-100 each (mainly because they are Dodgers). Generally, I have gotten mine from JD at the National. Aaron, you are the king of the subset want list. Put it out there. If one falls in your lap, excellent... Keep your expectations reasonable. Hey, you never Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/31/2016 5:56:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com I haven't quite finished my goals list for 2017, but it's close. One of theten is 90% sure to be putting together the complete Topps St. Louis Browns. For me, part of the appeal of this mini-collection is that it's only 50 cards. But there are a few doozies: the 1953 Paige of course, and then three1952 highs. I've just now started the process of looking, and truly didn'trealize how uncommon it is to find one of these around. Wondering what tactics you used to find 52 highs affordably. And what affordably can possibly mean. I did a quick look at eBay, Sportlots and COMC... Wow. I honestly won't reach the goal at these prices. I mean, I can't afford those prices, and even if I could, I really don't think I would CHOOSE toafford those prices. I initially thought about doing a goal of all the Topps Browns AND Cardinals, but that adds FOUR MORE 52 highs... and all the Musials... and all the Gibsons. I already buy StL commons and other affordable guys whenever I can.And I also thought about adding all the Bowman... but as a goal, the more I think, the more I'm setting myself up for an unattainable goal. Maybe forthis, it should just be called a priority, not a goal. So that question turned into a ramble. Let's hear how you do 52 highs. What's your modus operandi? How do you choose what you are WILLING to afford? Happy new year! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2017 01:38:39 +0000 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Sports Illustrated posters From: Bob Donaldson Doing some redecorating and was hoping to add a few Sports Illustrated Posters. I've Yaz and Petrocelli but was hoping to add a few more, especially Clemente Anyone have one they'd like I trade or sell? ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:36:56 -0500 To: typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity From: Joshua Levine My wheelhouse and the one card set I have done the most research on (although trying to have my son/having my son have taken a lot of time away from cards). Here is from most rare to least rare. Broadleaf green Broadleaf black American Beauty black * American Beauty green * Piedmont Fact. 42 * Hassan Fact. 30 Honest Long Cut Hassan Fact. 649** Sweet Cap. black fact. 42** Sweet Cap. black fact. 25 Sweet Cap. red Polar Bear Piedmont fact. 25 This is from memory so forgive me if I forgot anything... Over the last 5-10 years the Drum and Hindu flipped as there were two different Drum finds, one from the south (Louisiana I think) and one from St. Louis pushing the number of Drum backs "available" above Hindu. It also turned up the third Ames Drum back meaning that there were at least three print runs of Drum. As of now (of course I have not been as active in the past five years) I still do not think there has been more than 2 of any one Hindu back. Blank, I am sure, was never officially issued and many that claim to be blank are either altered or cut from an advertising poster (yes, there were a few). The poster ones are on thicker stock and darker backs. Skinned and "washed" blanks have also come across my desk before. The groupings are my own and include Super Rare, Tough, Not Very Tough, and Easy. * Piedmont 42 and the black and green American beauty backs (and Cycle every now and then) have switched places fairly often and seem to be nearly the same lately (although American Beauty Black in my opinion is tougher than any of that group). ** Hassan 649 and Sweet Cap 42 black also seem to switch but it seems that there were less Hassan 649 popping up in recent years. Hope this helps and hopefully I did not miss anything. -----Original Message----- From: Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 12:49 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't mean Drum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? Sent from my iPad Posted by: Andy Cook The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 22:40:52 -0500 To: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity From: Andy Cook This is awesome, thanks for sharing! Sent from my iPad > On Dec 31, 2016, at 10:36 PM, Joshua Levine wrote: > My wheelhouse and the one card set I have done the most research on (although trying to have my son/having my son have taken a lot of time away fromcards). > Here is from most rare to least rare. > Blank > Hindu > Drum > Broadleaf green > Broadleaf black > American Beauty black * > American Beauty green * > Piedmont Fact. 42 * > Cycle > Hassan Fact. 30 > Sovereign > Honest Long Cut > Hassan Fact. 649** > Sweet Cap. black fact. 42** > Sweet Cap. black fact. 25 > Sweet Cap. red > Polar Bear > Piedmont fact. 25 > This is from memory so forgive me if I forgot anything... > Over the last 5-10 years the Drum and Hindu flipped as there were two different Drum finds, one from the south (Louisiana I think) and one from St. Louis pushing the number of Drum backs "available" above Hindu. It also turned up the third Ames Drum back meaning that there were at least three print runs of Drum. As of now (of course I have not been as active in the past five years) I still do not think there has been more than 2 of any one Hindu back. Blank, I am sure, was never officially issued and many that claim to be blank are either altered or cut from an advertising poster (yes, therewere a few). The poster ones are on thicker stock and darker backs. Skinned and "washed" blanks have also come across my desk before. > The groupings are my own and include Super Rare, Tough, Not Very Tough, and > * Piedmont 42 and the black and green American beauty backs (and Cycle every now and then) have switched places fairly often and seem to be nearly the same lately (although American Beauty Black in my opinion is tougher than any of that group). > ** Hassan 649 and Sweet Cap 42 black also seem to switch but it seems that there were less Hassan 649 popping up in recent years. > Hope this helps and hopefully I did not miss anything. > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy Cook typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Sat, Dec 31, 2016 12:49 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Factory rarity > Is there consensus about the toughest backs for T205 and T206? I don't mean Drum or Hindu, but are there really tough Factories for Piedmont or Sweet Cap or other under the radar rarities for example? > Thanks, > Andy > Sent from my iPad > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Andy Cook > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2016 23:32:42 -0500 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Happy New Year From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, I just want to wish everyone and their family an Happy & Healthy New Year. May this be your best year yet!! Happy New Year to all!! Kevin Martens