================= Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 03:15:26 -0500 To: "" Subject: Not a Day too soon From: ShoelessWes Content-Disposition: inline; ================= Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 08:24:59 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2016 Collecting Goals From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Year TWENTY-FIVE as a member of OBC can you believe that? I don=E2=99t think I=E2=99ve ever posted collecting goals but feel I am at another cross roads with my collecting, maybe even my life? I=E2=99ve been buying quite a bit the past couple years. I just turned 62 yearsold and I=E2=99ve been retired 5 years. I spent my whole life working saving planning providing and it=E2=99s been great. But I=E2=99ve been a little selfish the past couple years. I=E2=99m not interested in saving anymore, I think I am set but who really knows? My plan is in place and it appears to be working. I=E2=99ve been single since I got divorced twelve years ago so I don=E2=99t have anyone to provide for. My four kids are on their own path mission accomplished.I=E2=99ve got eight grandkids and I do invest in =E2=9C529 type=E2=9D college plans for them, for Christmas and Birthdays I give them re-cap sheets of what they have. Of course the younger grandkids would rather have toys, but my two oldest grandkids (13 and 10) are a bit more interestedLOL! I still enjoy my collection VERY much. I have quite a bit of free time to work on it. eBay searches auctions OBC Net54 etc. etc. I=E2=99ve really caught the =E2=9CT-206=E2=9D bug the past two years and am very close to completing this set (I need just 3 cards to get to 518). I wish I could show you guys my set it looks so great in a binder! Five or six years ago Iwas sitting at Genos kitchen table admiring his 1911 T205 cards in those beautiful SGC slabs=E2=A6Today I=E2=99m 12 cards away from having the set all slabbed in SGC holders. Less than 20 cards away from my 54-81 Toppshockey run. 17 cards away from my 51-81 Topps football run. Does this crapever stop? LOL! George V gets me started on the 1910 T218 =E2=9CChampions=E2=9D set, TJ sends a few hits too. So I email Alan Miley, looking to purchase some =E2=9959 Fleer Three Stooges cards, and I ask him if he has any T218s from my new wantlist? BOOM 124 hits (I haven=E2=99t got the cards yet) I think I have nearly the full set. Net54 has a non-sports site, and there was a thread about the 1956 Topps Davy Crockett set. Card number 20A a green card is short printed very difficult card and I=E2=99ve been searching for one affordable for three years.Someone over there says they have one with back damage for $5 delivered? That was amazing plus when the card arrived I soaked it in my sink and the extra paper on the back came right off! That was so cool. Of course there isanother version of card 20A so I=E2=99m still looking for that! 25 years ago (when I joined OBC) I was working on a 1965 Topps set (still maybe my fav). Some guys look at their collection and see investment and part of their future plans. I look at my collection and I don=E2=99t see the value I see a lot of fun both in the past and the future. I loved the Milton Bradley talk we had a few weeks ago and I can thumb through my 1968 set again and pull out the MBs. Now the MBs are on my wantlist (it never does end). I have heard a couple members say my wantlist is tough, but I guess my goalis to not start any more sets. I think for 2016 I want to slow it down some, maybe save some so I can pull the trigger on a few high dollar cards I need (Jackie RC Mantle RC) to complete my sets. And I want to attend the National again this year my sixth in a row! ================= Date: Fri, 01 Jan 2016 11:28:28 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2015 review/2016 goals From: Ken M Happy New Year!   I posted one of these for the first time in 2015. I took a look at it and I was quite pleased with my results, other than missing on the easiest of the 10 goals I listed. Most of my progress was made in the last couple months and not all at the National. A quick recap: 1) Put a Top Ten list on my website. FAIL - kinda mad about this one. Guess what's the #1 foal again this year?2) Complete 1958 Topps(#2) Degree of difficulty: none - already finished by Lynn Miller this week! (I think the original email was dated two weeks into the year.)3) Find two hits to the T206 Polar Bear list OR a Joss to ice the set. DOD: High (SUCCESS! Tim Newcombe had a binder of cheapies at the Nats that I looked thru and Mac Wubben gave me an awesome handshake with a Hoblitzell!) However, I discovered a hole where there shouldn't be a hole and now need a Ford(black hat) as well as Joss.4) Find a couple of the 49/50 Bowman variations. DOD: Medium (SUCCESS! Some recent eBay search es provided hits to the 1950 list, getting it down to four - and also discouraging me about getting those last two 49's I need any time soon.)5) Find two Red Man varations. DOD: Medium. (SUCCESS! I picked off three in Dec. from eBay and iced the 53 set in the process!)6) 1960 Topps set(#2) list down to 10 or less. DOD: Low. (SUCCESS! Most of my purchases at the National got this from around 150 down to two AS cards)7) Find a dozen hits to the 1963 Jello set. DOD  High. (FAIL - I think I managed one lonely hit in the last week of the year.)8) Find 5 Kellogg's variations: DOD Medium/high. (SUCCESS! eBay helped me pick off a few, but I think the list got longer when I added the 79's to the list.)9) Make progress on the Hostess sets. DOD: Low (SUCCESS! I did utilize eBay against my original intentions for these sets, but I got a lot of help from OBC. I probably doubled what I have and stand near 70% complete)10) Cross off 10 FB cards on my list. DOD: Low. (SUCCESS! I nearly put the 54B set to bed, getting it down to 4 SP's. No progress on the 63F set though) Now for the 2016 goals:1) Create a Top 10 most wanted list. Degree of difficulty: Low - but a wrote that last year too, grr.2) Complete 1960 Topps(#2) Difficulty: Low - just two to go, (and neither of them are Mantle) so it's just a matter of time before finding them at a good price.3) Find two hits to the t205 list. DOD: Medium. The prices on these are getting too high for me to reasonably finish the set.4) Find three of the six remaining Bowman variations. Degree of difficulty: medium-high. Since two of these are HOF'ers and the other 4 are scarce as hens teeth copyright variations.5) Find two Red Man variations. DOD: Medium. Most of the ones left on my list are 52's, but two of the three I got last year were HOF'ers and there's still a few commons on the list.6) Get 1970's Fleer list down to 10 or less. DOD: low. Mostly 1971 WS, although I don't see a ton of these sets at shows.7) Find a half dozen hits to the 1963 Jello set. DOD: high. I think I've added a whopping total of TWO to my starter set I bought at the 2014 Nats.8) Find 10 Kellogg's variations. Difficulty: Low. I anticipate most of these are going to be the 79's I just added and will start looking for more often.9) Get the Hostess total to 90% complete. DOD: Medium. I want to aggressively pursue these and at least get the lists to the point where I can put names along with the numbers (<25 per set)10) Get my mini collection up and running. I've already put together a binder and made a lot of progress from my own dupes. This might take a little research, so you can help me though. Details to come!11) Celebrate my 20th year in OBC with more RAOK's and waiver wires. I'd like to go through and hit everyone in the directory like I used to when I first joined. A lot of your lists are very tough (after 20+ years of pounding from OBC). Here's hoping everyone has a great 2016! TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 01 Jan 2016 09:11:52 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 2015 review/2016 goals From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 18:14:00 +0000 Subject: 2016 COLLECTING GOALS From: Mac Wubben Year in review Sets Started: T216 Kottons, E94 George Close Candy, 1935 Diamond Matchbooks(black borders, Team name on back and Chicago Cubs), and a second 1953 Bowman Sets Finished: P2 Pins, T3 Turkey Reds, B18 Blankets (one of each player), 1934 Goudey, 1935 Diamond Matchbook Chicago Cubs, 1970 Topps Supers, 1971 Topps second set, 1973 Kelloggs, 1974 Kelloggs, 1978 Hostess, 1978 Big T/Tastee Freez discs, 1980 Kelloggs 2015 Goals Review Say it every year--Type Set--Sort of started. Finish B18 Blankets (need 6) -- Done 4 Hits to the T210 list (need 19)--Great year for T210's...12 hits, down to7 Finish the P2 Pins--Need 3--Done 1 hit to the t207 list (need 5)--Got one, Down to Big 4 (expensive nobodies) 7 hits to the Cracker Jack list (need 22)--Bought and Sold many CJ's again this year. Crossed Walter Johnson off..ended up needing 17 Finish T3 base set and pick up 1 of the 2 variations--Finished base set andnabbed a variation 5 hits to the E92 (need 7)--only got two (need 5 now) 10 hits to the 49B list (need 25) Got 15 hits (need 10) 3 hits to the 52T list (need 27)--Great year for 52T highs, 18 hits...only need 5 hits to the 71 OPC list (need 10)--7 hits, down to 3 One hit to the top 5 list: (no hits this year [☹] ) 1 Red Cross Tobacco Lajoie 2 1916 Zeenut Billy Southworth 3 1927 Middy Bread Die-Cut Billy Southworth 4 E105 Mello Mint Lajoie 5 t213-3 Lajoie 2016 Goals T210: Find 3 of the 7 I need T207: Find 1 of the big 4 1914/1915 Cracker Jacks: Cut the need list to 10 or less E92: Find the last two commons and one of the big 3 stars 1921 Exhibits knock the list in half (from 22 to 11) 1939 Play Ball! Finish it: (Just Need: 26 Joe D. 119 131) 1941 Goudey: Finish Base Set (Just need: 23 Young 32 Coffman) 49 Bowman: Bring the list down to 3 (from 10) 52 Topps: Bring the list down to 4 (from 9) 1959 Fleer Ted Williams: Finish it! (need Ted Signs...surprise) 1961 Post Finish it! (Just need: 70 Woodling 115 Farrell and 183 Mcmillan) 71 OPC: Finish it! (Just need: 535 Flood 543 Yankees 560 Staub ) Finish All the 70's sets on my list except 1 (70 Rold Gold, 71 OPC, 71 Fleer, (71, 72, 75,76,77, 78, 79 Kelloggs) 75,76,79 Hostess and 1977 Topps Cloth Add a major pre-war set or maybe two. Add a few 50's and 60's sets. Overall, a very good year for the collection. I finished off a number of long term projects, but now I have to figure out what to add to make my lists a bit better. Happy 2016 to Everyone! ================= Date: 01 Jan 2016 10:25:25 -0800 To: Subject: My turn- 2015 review/2016 goals From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 21:58:47 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: First of they year waiver wire, including some old non-sports flag From: I've got a dozen envelopes to take down to the post office tonight, and would like to add a few. So, the following are up for grabs--the usual rules, first come, first served; I'll try to maximize the number of recipients, please include your mailing address in the request to make my life a bit easier. Topps 1970 posters of Larry Dierker, Don Minchner and Frank Howard. None mint 1967 Topps Pin ups of Camperneris, McDowell, Callison, Drysdale, Knoop, Pepitone, Killebrew, Oliva, Kaline, Alou (Matty and Felipe), Hunt. Santo Pretty nice 1969 Topps Donn Clendenon as an Expo for the variation guys. Flag pins from around 1900. These are mainly Sweat Caporal paper inserts in the back, but there are a few others with different backs, and even a couple with a solid insert backing, not paper. Various countries. All well-tarnished. I don't remember when I picked them up, but I do know I haven't looked at them until now, so clearly, I wouldn't miss them. Have 30 or so, so they can be split up. If anyone is looking for a particular country (Siam or Prussia anyone???) let me know. And, if anyone is collecting those Acme/Loblaw NHL stamps from the early 70's, let me know. I have a bunch of individual stamps--point me at your list. Happy New year. Bob N ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 00:13:00 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: New Year Waiver Wire From: Mike Mackie Hi everyone Happy New Year! I'm offering a few cards on the wire today. First come first serve. 1964 Topps Coin #140 - badly scratched1964 Topps Coin #1471971 Topps Coin #191974 Fleer Pioneers #10 - Delahanty1974 Fleer Pioneers #11 - Galvin1974 Fleer Pioneers #18 - Lajoie1974 Fleer Pioneers #24 - Daubert 1974 Fleer Pioneers #25 - Donlin 1993 Ted Williams Negro League Legends - #103, 105, 106, 111, 1141994 Ted Williams Negro Leagues - #103, 104, 106, 114 Please send me your address along with the claim. Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 19:29:58 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Set Completion From: Andy After 38 years, I finished my Star Wars set today with the final five orange series cards I picked up at a show. I purchased my first cards back in the summer of 1977 from the ice cream truck that used to come down my street most afternoons. I also have both versions of the C3-PO variation (if you're not familiar, check eBay, it's kinda funny). Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 20:36:24 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: OBC 24 Years Old? From: LAWRENCE TIPTON For you =E2=9Cnew guys=E2=9D, just think how awesome OBC has been since joining up? Can you imagine being a member for 24 years? Heres a collecting tip from an OBC =E2=9COld Sage=E2=9D (The noun meaning "man of profound wisdom" is recorded from circa 1300. Originally applied to the Seven Sages of Greece) Heres the tip: "Don=E2=99t be afraid of nothing=E2=9D I like the =E2=9933 =E2=9934 =E235 Goudey sets, so I posted them on my want list. Never really worked to hard on them. Bob Donaldson offers up Napoleon Lajoie reprint cards and I ask for one. The card arrives today (Thanks Bob!) and I note a real card NM is $40,000! So I start thumbing through these =E2=9933 Goudeys and I=E2=99ve got 85 different of them?35 % of the set how did this happen? (Did you really think I was going to say I had a real Lajoie?) It=E2=99s like OBC Magic! So if you don=E2=99t know what Topps set togo after next: =E2=9CDon=E2=99t be afraid of nothing=E2=9D LIST EM ALL! ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 20:48:03 -0500 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC 24 Years Old? From: chris tripler Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 2, 2016, at 8:36 PM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > For you =E2=9Cnew guys=E2=9D, just think how awesome OBC has been since joining up? Can you imagine being a member for 24 years? Heres a collecting tip from an OBC =E2=9COld Sage=E2=9D > (The noun meaning "man of profound wisdom" is recorded from circa 1300. Originally applied to the Seven Sages of Greece) > Heres the tip: "Don=E2=99t be afraid of nothing=E2=9D > I like the =E2=9933 =E2=9934 =E235 Goudey sets, so I posted them on my want list. Never really worked to hard on them. Bob Donaldson offers up Napoleon Lajoie reprint cards and I ask for one. The card arrives today (Thanks Bob!) and I note a real card NM is $40,000! So I start thumbingthrough these =E2=9933 Goudeys and I=E2=99ve got 85 different of them? 35 % of the set how did this happen? (Did you really think I was going to say I had a real Lajoie?) > It=E2=99s like OBC Magic! So if you don=E2=99t know what Topps set to go after next: > =E2=9CDon=E2=99t be afraid of nothing=E2=9D > LIST EM ALL! > Guru ================= Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 22:05:14 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2016 Mini Collection From: Ken M Well, I finally got my phone to load the webpage editor and update my list. I've added another page with baseball initials. My project is a 676 (26 x 26) card collection with one player representing each combination of initials. The first page is Alan Ashby, Al Bumbry, Alex Cole, Adrian Devine... all the way to Zip Zabel (if he has a card) in the last spot. Naturally, I don't expect all the combinations to be represented, since names starting with I, Q, V, X, Y and Z aren't too common.   I started with my 1977 dupes, since that was the first year I collected. After looking through a few more random boxes and filling in roughly half the binder, I'm turning it over to you guys.  The only requirement I have is that the card fit in a standard 9-pocket page. (No, don't go trimming that 1953 Topps card either). Naturally, I'd prefer vintage on these, but some players I need (Carlos Quintana, Rey Quinones, Ugueth Urbina to name a few) started after 1980. Others like Urban Shocker and Zip Zabel might not have a card that's easy to find - or one at all.  As I get time (and if my phone allows) I'll try to add names of players that are the only combination of certain initials to help you out. As always, thanks for looking at my list! TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 02 Jan 2016 22:12:42 -0500 To: "OBC_typecard@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: 1980s baseball type card list From: Robert Fitts As I close in on several vintage sets, I=92ve decided to restart my type card collection. I=92ve decided to add the 1980s to my vintage collection (and maybe even add the 1990s later). I have 2 questions. 1-Does anybody have a list of the 1980s issues in Word or excel? 2- I=92ve noticed that the Standard catalog no longer covers the 1980s. I though that this was a great development as the volume was slimmer but now that I want to add the 1980s id see the problem. What other checklist/price guide are you gauys using for post-1980s cards ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 20:15:48 -0700 To: obc ramblings Subject: Want lists updated, cleaned up, and new lists added. From: James Silva My work wasn=E2=99t nearly as creative as many of the projects I have been reading about, but I went through all of my binders and cleaned up mistakes in all of my want lists. I also added several sets. I also FINALLY added a UV list with its own link on my new page. Thanks to everyone who put intheir two cents on free webpage sites. Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:40:22 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 Mini Collection From: richard dingman Fun idea, look forward to the wantlists! Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2016 22:05:14 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 Mini Collection Well, I finally got my phone to load the webpage editor and update my list. I've added another page with baseball initials. My project is a 676 (26 x 26) card collection with one player representing each combinationof initials. The first page is Alan Ashby, Al Bumbry, Alex Cole, Adrian Devine... all the way to Zip Zabel (if he has a card) in the last spot. Naturally, I don't expect all the combinations to be represented, since names starting with I, Q, V, X, Y and Z aren't too common. I started with my 1977 dupes, since that was the first year I collected. After looking through a few more random boxes and filling in roughly half the binder, I'm turning it over to you guys. The only requirement I have isthat the c ard fit in a standard 9-pocket page. (No, don't go trimming that 1953 Topps card either). Naturally, I'd prefer vintage on these, but some players I need (Carlos Quintana, Rey Quinones, Ugueth Urbina to name a few) started after 1980. Others like Urban Shocker and Zip Zabel might not have a card that's easy to find - or one at all. As I get time (and if my phone allows) I'll try to add names of players that are the only combination of certain initials to help you out. As always, thanks for looking at my list! TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 02 Jan 2016 20:38:44 -0800 To: Subject: 2016 Collecting Goals From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 02:45:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1980s baseball type card list From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Here's a good place to start... http://www.teamsets4u.com/checklist.html Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/2/2016 10:12:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: As I close in on several vintage sets, I=E2=99ve decided to restart my type card collection. I=E2=99ve decided to add the 1980s to my vintage collection maybe even add the 1990s later). I have 2 questions. 1-Does anybody have a list of the 1980s issues in Word or excel? 2- I=E2=99ve noticed that the Standard catalog no longer covers the 1980s. though that this was a great development as the volume was slimmer but now that I want to add the 1980s id see the problem. What other checklist/price guide are you gauys using for post-1980s cards The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 07:49:05 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mailing question From: Andy Will a pwe with a 64 Topps coin go through the system for a first class stamp? Is it too thick? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 08:11:13 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: dupes box clean out waivers From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Just spent some time checking want lists and I have some left overs I want to put on the =E2=9Cwaiver wire=E2=9D Please don=E2=99t be shy as I REALLY want to move these out of my dupes box! 1911 T59 Flags of all Nations Servia (Recruit back) 1936 (R-60) Gum Inc G-Men and Heroes of the Law #8 1941 R137 Goudey Sky Birds #37 (three hole punches) 1962 Topps stamps: Adcock and Bolling 1964 Leaf Munsters #49 Canadien Version (dark card stock, made in USA blocked out) condition fair-poor 1969 Donruss Odd Rods original first series #7 =E2=9CMad Dragger=E2=9D 1973 Donruss Fantastic Odd Rods Series I starter set fourteen different stickers. Series I of this set have the pink fronts and are numbered 67-132 (series II are numbered 1-66 ITS WEIRD!) These look great BUT the sticker backs are gone. They were not stuck on anything and removed, I think they justdried out and went bye-bye:) 1977 Topps football #400 Fran Tarkenton EX+ ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 07:34:07 -0800 To: Andy Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mailing question From: Rick It can but it can also get stuck in the machine and rip the envelope open. Flip a coin! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 3, 2016, at 4:49 AM, Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Will a pwe with a 64 Topps coin go through the system for a first class stamp? Is it too thick? > Thanks, > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 03 Jan 2016 09:35:42 -0600 To: Andy , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mailing question From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2016 12:22:43 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Collecting Goals From: Joel Freedman Ok, guys, you convinced me to create some goals. My style has been, find a deal, thus my want lists have exploded. I preferto find a deal than to over pay for something that i see. My goal this year is to advance each of these sets to over fifty percent=85=85 to achieve this goal, i will seek the following. 51 Topps Blue 19 52 Topps 165 53 Topps 65 54 Topps 45 56 Topps 65 58 Topps 72 60 Topps 15 62 Topps 14 65 Topps 99 55 Topps 29 60 Topps 26 61 Topps 74 63 Topps 56 64 Topps 62 65 Topps 73 66 Topps 29 67 Topps 46 Other goals. Always look for a deal. Return cards to members that send them to me. Have fun! ================= Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 08:34:36 -0600 Subject: First set finished in 2016 and other 2016 goals From: Raymond Luurs While the card was bought on Christmas eve I recieved my 1963 Jello of Tom Haller to knock that set off and only 26 more to finish the 1962 Jello set. I hope to knock off at least five to put it down to 21. I have two set with one car but I think both of those are nearly impossible to hit at this datw as i need a 52 Topps Mantle and a 53 San Francisco Seal set of Dave Melton. Other sets i hope to to do damage to are my 1950"s variations. Right now I am looking at 2953 white(5) and black (14) bios hope to hit at least five of those. Goals are short the only thing i am trying to knock off is some of the regional cards of my favorite player like Tony Oliva and Jim Kaat. The only non regional card I am looking for is a 63 post of Jim Kaat with the light pole in background. I hope to get more ROAK out but my diabetes right now zaps all the strength out of me that about all I do is sleep and go to work. > Reply via web post > =E2=A2 Reply to sender > =E2=A2 Reply to group > =E2=A2 Start a New Topic > =E2=A2 Messages in this topic > (1) > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of > each posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & > encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the > RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) > is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory > Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page > or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > Visit Your Group > - New Members > 2 > [image: Yahoo! Groups] > =E2=A2 Privacy > Unsubscribe > =E2=A2 > of Use > . ================= Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 18:57:39 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Hockey Help From: Nick Covello Hi Everyone:Getting close to completing a few hockey sets from the 70's anyhelp would be greatly appricated. also if anyone needs any 73/74 or 74/75 topps Hockey please let me know I have a bunch from those years. Here are the 3 years I getting close to completing. 1973/74 Topps:50,93,150 1974/75 Topps: 1-4, 6, 9, 28, 42, 68, 70, 79, 88, 100, 103, 104, 106, 108, 114, 117, 130, 135, 137, 139, 151, 168, 169, 180, 191, 208, 211, 216,237, 244, 253, 256 1977/78 Topps: 4, 7, 13, 17, 26, 43, 48, 68, 74, 75, 80, 81, 86, 105, 114, 123, 124, 128, 131, 132, 133, 140, 142, 146, 148, 150, 152, 154, 157, 158, 160, 170, 171, 189, 192, 194, 198, 201, 203, 210, 213, 227, 233, 249, 250, 251, 253, 260 Thanks for checkingNick Covello ================= To: UVlist , Wantlist , Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 15:37:49 -0600 Subject: O-PEE-CHEE and Happy new year! From: Aaron Shirley Happy new year, OBC! I have a large amount of OPC to spread around to my favorite group of cardboard aficionados. So please email me your O-Pee-Chee wantlists. All vintage and UV years included, but BASEBALL only. I really prefer hitting FIRST sets, so please note if you are working on second or third sets or anything like that. No need to include your mailing address unless it differs from what is on the website. I will be working on spreading these to as many requestors as possible throughout the month of January. Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:50:03 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: The Real Season Starts Now - Join our Playoff Pool From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with close to that number already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU INTERESTED IN PLAYING ASAP. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it, it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. The should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than Saturday, January 9 at 10 AM Central Time to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Your card prize must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 8, 2016 and mailed to me at the address below. The playoff schedule looks like this: AFC Week 1 (Saturday, 1/9): 6 Steelers at 3 Bengals, 5 Chiefs at 4 Texans (1 Broncos and 2 Patriots each have a BYE) AFC Week 2: 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1 (Sunday, 1/10): 6 Seahawks at 3 Vikings, 5 Packers at 4 Redskins (1 Panthers and 2 Cardinals each have a BYE) NFC Week 2: 1 Panthers at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Cardinals at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 9-10 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Make sure to include position, name and ranking. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 9 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 entry fee must be received via Paypal by 10 AM Central on January 9 and your prize card must be postmarked and mailed to me no later than January 8. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. Your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family by 10 AM Central on Saturday, January 9, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 on Friday, January 8, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 9 at 10 AM CST. Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 13:50:16 -0800 Subject: Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Hero Required! From: "Grant Rainsley" After Steve's hits today of "Ears" Mossi and a couple of umps, I am now down to one card to file away this set..............yet another ump, #265 Al Barlick. My latest price guide (Lemke's) shows a VG at worth about $18....................yet a check of Evilbay shows a ridiculous jump in price from there for most examples. Is there a good reason for this that I am missing, or is it just the usual Evilbay greed thing? That would be my first guess............... Anyways, if anyone has an Al Barlick to help me put that set to bed, please drop me a note..........I will be happy to see if I can make it very worthwhile for you......and if I can't, I'd rather you hang onto Thanks for taking a look. Grant ================= Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 17:25:32 -0500 To: grains@shaw.ca, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Her... From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en In the past 2 or 3 months, 3 have sold on Ebay in the range of $4.50 (creased) to $13, shipping included. If you're patient, you should able to get one for about $10 on Ebay. Good luck! Best regards, In a message dated 01/04/2016 4:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: After Steve=E2=99s hits today of =E2=9CEars=E2=9D Mossi and a couple of umps, I am now down to one card to file away this set..............yet another ump, #265 Al Barlick. My latest price guide (Lemke=E2=99s) shows a VG at worth about $18....................yet a check of Evilbay shows a ridiculous jump in price from there for most examples. Is there a good reason for this that I am missing, or is it just the usual Evilbay greed thing? That would be my first Anyways, if anyone has an Al Barlick to help me put that set to bed, please drop me a note..........I will be happy to see if I can make it very worthwhile for you......and if I can=08 217;t, I=E2=99d rather you hangonto Thanks for taking a look. Grant ================= To: , Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 14:58:36 -0800 Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Her... From: "Grant Rainsley" And Evilbay=E2=99s very special =E2=9CGlobal Shipping=E2=9D, whichmeans for Canada, it becomes about $125 total=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6..they are SUCH good people. Always thinking of their customers=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2= From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 2:52 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Her... But then we have to figure in the exchange rate and the $10 card becomes $72.50:) On 01/04/16, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] In the past 2 or 3 months, 3 have sold on Ebay in the range of $4.50 (creased) to $13, shipping included. If you're patient, you should able to get one for about $10 on Ebay. Good luck! Best regards, In a message dated 01/04/2016 4:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com After Steve=E2=99s hits today of =E2=9CEars=E2=9D Mossi and a couple of umps, I am now down to one card to file away this set..............yet another ump, #265 Al Barlick. My latest price guide (Lemke=E2=99s) shows a VG at worth about $18....................yet a check of Evilbay shows a ridiculous jump in price from there for most examples. Is there a good reason for this that I am missing, or is it just the usual Evilbay greed thing? That would be my first guess............... Anyways, if anyone has an Al Barlick to help me put that set to bed, pleasedrop me a note..........I will be happy to see if I can make it very worthwhile for you......and if I can 217;t, I=E2=99d rather you hang onto yours......... Thanks for taking a look. Grant ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 16:27:27 -0800 Subject: FW: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Hero Required! From: "Grant Rainsley" Looks like Bob Donaldson has stepped up to the plate and hit a dinger.....Mr.Barlick will soon be in hands of a team called USPS/Canada Post, on its way to Powell River, B.C......thanks Bob!! I am used to putting a set to bed every 2-3 years.....but two in one day? Unheard of..it bodes well for 2016....and I hope you ALL have a great year! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 1:50 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Hero Required! After Steve's hits today of "Ears" Mossi and a couple of umps, I am now down to one card to file away this set..............yet another ump, #265 Al Barlick. My latest price guide (Lemke's) shows a VG at worth about $18....................yet a check of Evilbay shows a ridiculous jump in price from there for most examples. Is there a good reason for this that I am missing, or is it just the usual Evilbay greed thing? That would be my first guess............... Anyways, if anyone has an Al Barlick to help me put that set to bed, please drop me a note..........I will be happy to see if I can make it very worthwhile for you......and if I can't, I'd rather you hang onto Thanks for taking a look. Grant ================= Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 19:27:42 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for a set-killer........'55 Bowman............Her... From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en US$ 10 Canadian $13.87 Best regards, In a message dated 01/04/2016 5:51:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: But then we have to figure in the exchange rate and the $10 card becomes On 01/04/16, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: In the past 2 or 3 months, 3 have sold on Ebay in the range of $4.50 (creased) to $13, shipping included. If you're patient, you should able toget one for about $10 on Ebay. Good luck! Best regards, In a message dated 01/04/2016 4:50:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, O_BC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:BC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) After Steve=E2=99s hits today of =E2=9CEars=E2=9D Mossi and a couple of umps, I am now down to one card to file away this set..............yet another ump, #265 Al Barlick. My latest price guide (Lemke=E2=99s) shows a VG at worth about $18....................yet a check of Evilbay shows a ridiculous jump in price from there for most examples. Is there a good reason for this that I am missing, or is it just the usual Evilbay greed thing? That would be my first Anyways, if anyone has an Al Barlick to help me put that set to bed, please drop me a note..........I will be happy to see if I can make it very worthwhile for you......and if I can 217;t, I=E2=99d rather you hang onto Thanks for taking a look. Grant ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 02:00:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Goals (the Mid Point) From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well, some of you know that my "collecting" year begins when I get home from the National and runs through the next year's cardfest. So far, at the halfway point (I know not exactly), I have had quite a year. I am still on target to hit most of the goals, but the best has been the hits to my "Top 10 (or so)" list. 19 goals and I've hit 4 so far, Some are close, others need a push (1964, 1965, NY Rangers). So far I have hit 51 different OBCers since the National, a little ahead of last year. Starting on the football goal, but we haven't had any snowy days :-)! Top 10- I had 16 cards (some, where I'll take either of two cards), and only have 5 left on it. The biggies being a Namath rookie and a 68 MB Ryan. Working very well on master sets, as all variations for 1959 are done. Two of the remaining 5 are doable, but haven't found it at my price (86F Ewing and 64 T Coin Clemente). This is what's left (Red means I got it): Goals (Started with) [Cards Remaining] Complete 52B- Mantle (101) 1952B Upgrades- 10 (14) 1959 T- 30 (43)- Goal Reached 9/14/15 (D.S. James Moleta!) [9] 1961 T- 100 (140) [115] 1962 T- 80 (108) [90] 1963 T- 300 (358) [315] 1964 T- 240 (291) [284] 1964 T Coins- Finish (2) [1] 1964 T Giants- Finish (2)-Goal Reached 9/30/15 (Koufax Ebay) [0] 1965 T- 225 (293) [280] 1966 T- 20 (28) Reached 11/20/15 Ken Morganti [20] 1967 T- 60 (75) [72] OPC Mets- 8 (15) Goal Reached 11/19/15 OPC Baseball.com [8] Brooklyn Dodgers- 40 (53) [46] NY Rangers- 175 (226) [223] 1969 T White Letter- 12 (17) [17] Organize and post some Football lists Continue to Assault OBC Lists! Top 10 Wanted (OK so its 13) 1- 52B Mantle (#101) 2- 1965 T FB Namath (#122) - Ebay 10/16/15 3- 1968 OPC Ryan (#177) 4- 1968 MB Ryan - Ebay 9/3/15 5- 1967T Seaver (#581) 6- 1986F- Ewing (#32) 7- 1951B Snider (#32) - 11/28/15 Wes Shepard 8- 1953B Snider (#117) (8/15/15- White Plains Show) 9- 1964 Coins Clemente Koufax (Ebay 8/19/15) 10- 1964 T Giants Koufax (9/30/15- Ebay), Mays (8/15/15- White Plains 11- 1954 B Reese (#58), Ebay (8/25/15) 12- 1975 OPC Seaver (#370) (9/25/15- Ebay FREE from Global Imports!) 13- 1959T Variations- Either 336-Loes (No Trade) (Loes Ebay 9/28/15) 362-Nichols (No Option) (COMC 11/23/15) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 05 Jan 2016 09:06:22 -0800 To: Subject: Cranston card show From: bdangelo@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 13:03:35 -0500 To: bdangelo@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: Joel Freedman HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. I lived in RI and moved to MA a few years ago. I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi gang, > Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in > Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the > 40th annual show this year. > Thanks! > Bob ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 18:20:55 +0000 (UTC) To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] O-PEE-CHEE and Happy new year! From: talbot1@comcast.net Hey Aaron, I just may make cutting into this list as a `16 goal so thanks for the suggestion to take a look at the wantlist. Here are the OPC Baseball cards thatI'm looking for: 1965 O-PEE-CHEE (any condition) 5 (AL RBI), 55 (Conigliaro), 134 (WS Gm3), 204 (Snyder), 207 (Rose), 250 (Mays), 251 (Herman), 260 (Drysdale), 276 (Wilhelm). 1965 O-PEE-CHEE (Upgrade to VG or better) 132, 200, 264, 266, 273 - unmarked, 280. 1966 O-PEE-CHEE (any condition) 1 (Mays), 50 (Mantle), 70 (Yaz), 91 (Uecker), 100 (Koufax), 120 (Killebrew), 126 (Palmer), 167 (Powell) and 175 (Campaneris). 1967 O-PEE-CHEE (any condition) 1 (The Champs), 5 (Ford), 25 (Howard), 88 (Lolich) and 150 (Mantle). 1967 O-PEE-CHEE (Upgrade to VG/EX or better) 30, 55, 63, 73, 102, 104-unmarked, 109, 131, 140, 146, 151, 168 and 191-unmarked,uncreased. 1968 O-PEE-CHEE (any condition) 9, 10, 27 (Hodges), 37 (Williams), 80 (Carew), 86 (Stargell), 100 (Gibson),110 (Aaron), 120 (Stottlemyre), 130 (Perez), 145, 150 (Clemente), 151 (WS Gm1), 152 (WS Gm2), 155 (WS Gm5), 157 (WS Gm7), 158 (WS Sum), 177 (Ryan/Koosman), 190 (White) and 192 (3 rd Checklist). 1968 O-PEE-CHEE (Upgrade to VG/EX or better) 20, 33, 36, 107 - unmarked, 138, 165. 1969 O-PEE-CHEE (upgrade to EX or better) 57-unmarked, 214-unmarked . 1971 O-PEE-CHEE (EX or better) 513-up, 524, 527, 530, 533, 536, 543, 544, 550, 553, 554, 563, 569, 576, 578, 582, 584, 588, 594, 598, 603, 605, 610, 615, 618, 619 -unmarked, 620, 622-up, 625, 635, 648, 664, 674, 682, 692, 700, 709, 712, 713, 722, 728, 739,740, 742, 744, 745, 747 and 750. 1974 O-PEE-CHEE (any condition) 8 (Aaron Sp), 20 (Ryan), 25 (Singleton), 126-unmarked, 263-unmarked, 273-unmarked, 280-up, 456 (Winfield), 477 (WS-Gm6) and 637-unmarked. 1975 O-PEE-CHEE (UPGRADE to EX or better) 101(Expos Team), 236 (Angels Team), 280 (Yaz), 356 (Petrocelli) and 490 (R.Smith). 1976 O-PEE-CHEE (any condition) 330 (Ryan). 1976 O-PEE-CHEE (UPGRADE to EX or better) 1 (Aaron RB). So any help would certainly be appreciated and with just (94) cards to complete this should be doable BUT with over 1/2 of these (48) cards coming from the `71 HI and Semi-HI series it is sure to be a long haul. There are (42) UPGRADES as well on the list which brings the total needed to (136) cardsso perhaps I will focus on getting 36 of these or chopping down the list by about 25% for a 2016 goal. That being said is there any help out there? BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Wantlist]" To: "UVlist" , "Wantlist" , "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, January 4, 2016 4:37:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] O-PEE-CHEE and Happy new year! Happy new year, OBC! I have a large amount of OPC to spread around to my favorite group of cardboard aficionados. So please email me your O-Pee-Chee wantlists. All vintage and UV years included, but BASEBALL only. I really prefer hitting FIRST sets, so please note if you are working on second or third sets or anything like that. No need to include your mailing address unless it differs from what is on the website. I will be working on spreading these to as many requestors as possible throughout the month of January. Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:30:24 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: Matthew Glidden Miss Rhode Island made an appearance at least once when OBC was also there. Pretty sure I remember Mr. Mint getting into a near shouting match after an argument with someone over his "attitude." Been awhile since going myself, but might swing it again this year. Any others up for the trip? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. I lived in RI and moved to MA > a few years ago. > I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. > I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. > Regards, > Joel > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Hi gang, >> Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in >> Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the >> 40th annual show this year. >> Thanks! >> Bob ================= To: "'Matthew Glidden'" , Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:33:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: "Bob Donaldson" I=E2=99d be interested in possibly going again. When is it? Yes, I saw Mr Mint come near to fisticuffs because someone made an offer ona memorabilia piece that a walk-in was showing Mr Mint, or something like that. I think trips to this show were always organized by ex-OBCer Robert Pigeon. I also won a Joe DiMaggio auto=E2=99d ball there. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:30 PM To: Joel Freedman Cc: Bob D'Angelo ; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show Miss Rhode Island made an appearance at least once when OBC was also there.Pretty sure I remember Mr. Mint getting into a near shouting match after an argument with someone over his "attitude." Been awhile since going myself, but might swing it again this year. Any others up for the trip? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. I lived in RI and moved to MA a few years ago. I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Hi gang, Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the 40th annual show this year. ================= To: Bob Donaldson , 'Matthew Glidden' Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:07:22 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: richard dingman When is it? To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; jefreedman1@gmail.com CC: bdangelo@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:33:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show I=92d be interested in possibly going again. When is it? Yes, I saw Mr Mint come near to fisticuffs because someone made an offer on a memorabilia piece that a walk-in was showing Mr Mint, or something likethat. I think trips to this show were always organized by ex-OBCer Robert Pigeon. I also won a Joe DiMaggio auto=92d ball there. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MatthewGlidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:30 PM To: Joel Freedman Cc: Bob D'Angelo ; OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show Miss Rhode Island made anappearance at least once when OBC was also there. Pretty sure I remember Mr. Mint getting into a near shouting match after an argument with someone over his "attitude." Been awhile since going myself, but might swing it again this year. Any others up for the trip? Spike On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. Ilived in RI and moved to MA a few years ago. I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. Regards, Joel On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hi gang, Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the 40th annual show this year. Thanks!Bob ================= To: "'richard dingman'" , Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 15:19:42 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: "Bob Donaldson" Is this it? Feb 06 2016 Sat 09AM-04PM Tom McDonagh 100 Tables 4 Blossom Street West Warwick, Rhode Island From: richard dingman [mailto:brightair@msn.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 3:07 PM To: Bob Donaldson ; 'Matthew Glidden' ; 'Joel Freedman' Cc: 'Bob D'Angelo' ; 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show When is it? To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com ; jefreedman1@gmail.com CC: bdangelo@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:33:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show I'd be interested in possibly going again. When is it? Yes, I saw Mr Mint come near to fisticuffs because someone made an offer on a memorabilia piece that a walk-in was showing Mr Mint, or something like I think trips to this show were always organized by ex-OBCer Robert Pigeon. I also won a Joe DiMaggio auto'd ball there. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:30 PM To: Joel Freedman > Cc: Bob D'Angelo >; OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show Miss Rhode Island made an appearance at least once when OBC was also there. Pretty sure I remember Mr. Mint getting into a near shouting match after an argument with someone over his "attitude." Been awhile since going myself, but might swing it again this year. Any others up for the trip? On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. I lived in RI and moved to MA a few years ago. I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Hi gang, Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the 40th annual show this year. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:09:27 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: Matthew Glidden Thanks the show indeed -- it's officially in Warwick, RI. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: > Is this it? > Feb 06 2016 Sat 09AM-04PM > Tom McDonagh > Phone:401-942-1854 > 100 Tables > $3 > 4 Blossom Street > West Warwick, Rhode Island > Zip:02893 > *From:* richard dingman [mailto:brightair@msn.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 5, 2016 3:07 PM > *To:* Bob Donaldson ; 'Matthew Glidden' < > glidden.matthew@gmail.com>; 'Joel Freedman' > *Cc:* 'Bob D'Angelo' ; 'OBC Ramblings' < > obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > *Subject:* RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show > When is it? > ------------------------------ > To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; jefreedman1@gmail.com > CC: bdangelo@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:33:38 -0500 > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show > I=E2=99d be interested in possibly going again. When is it? > Yes, I saw Mr Mint come near to fisticuffs because someone made an offer > on a memorabilia piece that a walk-in was showing Mr Mint, or something > like that. > I think trips to this show were always organized by ex-OBCer Robert Pigeon. > I also won a Joe DiMaggio auto=E2=99d ball there. > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [ > mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] *On > Behalf Of *Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:30 PM > *To:* Joel Freedman > *Cc:* Bob D'Angelo ; OBC Ramblings < > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show > Miss Rhode Island made an appearance at least once when OBC was also > there. Pretty sure I remember Mr. Mint getting into a near shouting match > after an argument with someone over his "attitude." > Been awhile since going myself, but might swing it again this year. Any > others up for the trip? > Spike > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. I lived in RI and moved to MA > a few years ago. > I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. > I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. > Regards, > Joel > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hi gang, > Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in > Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the > 40th annual show this year. > Thanks! > Bob ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:26:58 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show From: Joel Freedman Here is the address. *Address:* 4 Blossom St, West Warwick, RI 02893 > Thanks the show indeed -- it's officially in Warwick, RI. > Spike > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:19 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: >> Is this it? >> Feb 06 2016 Sat 09AM-04PM >> Tom McDonagh >> Phone:401-942-1854 >> 100 Tables >> $3 >> 4 Blossom Street >> West Warwick, Rhode Island >> Zip:02893 >> *From:* richard dingman [mailto:brightair@msn.com] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 5, 2016 3:07 PM >> *To:* Bob Donaldson ; 'Matthew Glidden' < >> glidden.matthew@gmail.com>; 'Joel Freedman' >> *Cc:* 'Bob D'Angelo' ; 'OBC Ramblings' < >> obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> >> *Subject:* RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show >> When is it? >> ------------------------------ >> To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; jefreedman1@gmail.com >> CC: bdangelo@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 14:33:38 -0500 >> Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show >> I=E2=99d be interested in possibly going again. When is it? >> Yes, I saw Mr Mint come near to fisticuffs because someone made an offer >> on a memorabilia piece that a walk-in was showing Mr Mint, or something >> like that. >> I think trips to this show were always organized by ex-OBCer Robert >> Pigeon. >> I also won a Joe DiMaggio auto=E2=99d ball there. >> *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [ >> mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] *On >> Behalf Of *Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 5, 2016 2:30 PM >> *To:* Joel Freedman >> *Cc:* Bob D'Angelo ; OBC Ramblings < >> OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cranston card show >> Miss Rhode Island made an appearance at least once when OBC was also >> there. Pretty sure I remember Mr. Mint getting into a near shouting match >> after an argument with someone over his "attitude." >> Been awhile since going myself, but might swing it again this year. Any >> others up for the trip? >> Spike >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 1:03 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> HI Bob, I have been a few times in my life. I lived in RI and moved to >> MA a few years ago. >> I can answer a few questions and talk about an experience or two. >> I met Rittenberg and a few other OBCer's at the show circa 2006. >> Regards, >> Joel >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 12:06 PM, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < >> OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Hi gang, >> Do any of you ever go to the annual card show that Tom McDonough runs in >> Cranston, R.I.? If so, shoot me an email, I am working on a story about the >> 40th annual show this year. >> Thanks! >> Bob ================= Date: 05 Jan 2016 13:34:32 -0800 To: Subject: OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 16:36:11 -0500 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: Joel Freedman I recommend Jimi. Joel Freedman On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:34 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Rob Bessette has nominated our own Jimi Thayer for OBC Certified Dealer > status. > Per the ROC, to become a Certified Dealer, a nominee must have the > recommendation of 5 OBC members. > Since I received Rob's nomination of Jimi, the following members have also > contacted me with their recommendations that Jimi be accorded Certified > Dealer status: > Wes Shepard > Sam Taylor > That's 3 of the required 5. If anyone else would like to recommend Jimi, > you may do so via Ramblings. > If & when two more members recommend Jimi, the voting members of the AC > will then vote on the nomination. > Regards, > Tom Housley > Facilitator ================= Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 16:40:04 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: Matt Yudt I am happy to 5th the recommendation of Jimi. Matt Yudt Sent from my iPhone - please excuse typos > On Jan 5, 2016, at 4:36 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I recommend Jimi. > Joel Freedman >> On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:34 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Rob Bessette has nominated our own Jimi Thayer for OBC Certified Dealer status. >> Per the ROC, to become a Certified Dealer, a nominee must have the recommendation of 5 OBC members. >> Since I received Rob's nomination of Jimi, the following members have also contacted me with their recommendations that Jimi be accorded Certified Dealer >> Wes Shepard >> Sam Taylor >> That's 3 of the required 5. If anyone else would like to recommend Jimi,you may do so via Ramblings. >> If & when two more members recommend Jimi, the voting members of the AC will then vote on the nomination. >> Regards, >> Tom Housley >> Facilitator ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:21:47 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: Taylor Schock I'll 4th, 5th, or 6th that, or higher, depending on how late I am to the party. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 4:34 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee Rob Bessette has nominated our own Jimi Thayer for OBC Certified Dealer status. Per the ROC, to become a Certified Dealer, a nominee must have the recommendation of 5 OBC members. Since I received Rob's nomination of Jimi, the following members have also contacted me with their recommendations that Jimi be accorded Certified Dealer Wes Shepard Sam Taylor That's 3 of the required 5. If anyone else would like to recommend Jimi, you may do so via Ramblings. If & when two more members recommend Jimi, the voting members of the AC will then vote on the nomination. Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 17:10:55 -0600 To: Taylor Schock , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 18:52:44 -0500 To: Mark Zentkovich , Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: JDahms ================= Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2016 19:07:34 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: Cranston card show From: Robert Fitts I=92m pretty sure that this was the first show I attended when I began recollecting cards in 1989. I gave up collecting once I reached high school but started again in graduate school when I was living in Providence. I remember being shocked at the high prices for the vintage cards - especially the ones that were under a dollar each when I had stopped collecting and werenow going for more than $100. I won a door prize of a box of 1988 Score, had a blast opening it that evening, and was hooked on collecting again. I=92d be happy to share the memories if this will help you rob fitts ================= Date: 05 Jan 2016 17:25:46 -0800 To: Subject: 1/5 Waiver Wires From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 20:52:29 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Need more mail order dealers / websites From: Steve Rittenberg Since there are no card shows within a reasonable (<2 hour) drive from me, I'd like to expand the list of sources I use to buy cards online (or via email). I came up with the list below. Does anyone have some good additions to recommend? CA Sportscards Dave Levin (www.gfg.com) Battersbox (usually via ebay) (occasionally) http://www.mickeyscards.com/ (very rarely)Sirius Sports Cards Mail order Scottsdale sports cards John Morrison Jack Zerby Mark Macrae Kevin Savage Cards Joe's Vintage Cards Sources I've given up on: Dean's cards Sam Majors Once in a while I will work a mail order deal with OBC friendly dealers like Roger Neufeldt or Kurt Tourdot but I think they are more geared towards selling at shows so I haven't approached them about mail order in several years. Thanks for reading. Steve Rittenberg ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 19:30:57 -0800 To: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer nominee From: Rick If I remember right certified dealers could not be part of the dealer scum group would this disqualify him? Would it be better for him to just sell onthe dealer scum? Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 5, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'll 4th, 5th, or 6th that, or higher, depending on how late I am to the pa > rty. > Regards, > Taylor > ________________________________ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on beha > lf of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] .com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2016 4:34 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealer ================= Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2016 22:49:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Certified dealer From: ChicoD1@aol.com Add Wes to the list of people recommending Jimi for certification... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: wwesmyster2@aol.com To: chicod1@aol.com CC: directorth@aol.com Sent: 1/5/2016 2:52:25 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Certified dealer I would like to recommend Jimi Thayer as a certified dealer. I have scummed with him a number of times, and believe he has proven to be a fair trader and raok'er. Thanks! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 05:47:45 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: OBC Certified Dealer Nominee From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Rick you are correct, the Dealer Scum Server is for OBC members to post forsale items. I assume Jimi wants to remain a member, so he could continue to post on the Dealer Scum server. The OBC Virtual Card Store is for approved Dealers to post for sale items. If Jimi becomes OBC Certified, he could post on this server as well. ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 05:57:42 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: 2011 Standard Catalog From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Sam: The 4th Edition on the "Standard Catalog of Vintage Baseball Cards=E2=9D features baseball cards from 1863-1980 only and is a much more manageable 696 pages:) Copyright 2014 I purchased my new copy at the SCD table at last years National Convention. ISBN-13: 978-1-4402-4289-2 ISBN-10: 1-4402-4289-5 $23 at Amazon, boy I remember it being a lot cheaper at the show! ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 05:42:51 -0800 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Certified Dealer Nominee From: Rick I'm not saying anything about being a member of obc that would be for the board different issue. I'm saying as a certified dealer he can't be part of the dealer scum member or not? If he becomes a certified dealer he would only be part of the certified dealer group if he's not a certified dealer he could be part of both dealer scum and cvs group. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 6, 2016, at 2:47 AM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > > Rick you are correct, the Dealer Scum Server is for OBC members to post for sale items. I assume Jimi wants to remain a member, so he could continueto post on the Dealer Scum server. > The OBC Virtual Card Store is for approved Dealers to post for sale items. If Jimi becomes OBC Certified, he could post on this server as well. > Guru ================= To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 09:43:20 -0800 Subject: Re: Need more mail order dealers / websites From: "George Vrechek" I've had luck at AU Sports in Morton Grove, Illinois. The original owners, the Golds, have all died but the folks running it now (Steve, Dave, Frank) have the same inventory and prices are OK. They are strong in late 60s and 70s - all sports, all ungraded. Their pre-1958 stuff has been pretty well picked through. I find variations and printing differences there in person. They have an online store through Beckett and they are always pulling stuff to mail out from their online sales when I am there. There is also an older article about the store on our library page. http://oldbaseball.com/refs/Au_Sports.htm. Otherwise I either buy from eBay or COMC. However (other than OBC), nothing beats going to a show, in my opinion, and they are few and far between. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 20:02:43 +0000 Subject: New Stan Hack effort? From: Mac Wubben Apologies if you received this twice... I was thinking about a new Stan Hack effort. Leon Luckey (the net54 moderator/owner) has been generous with his time, donated ad space and support for OBC in general. I think it would be nice if we could give back a little.Now he generally collects outside of our wheelhouse, but he recently mentioned wanting to pick up a 53 Bowman Reese. I was hoping that OBC could send it along to give a little back. If you are interested in helping out onthis effort, you can send a contribution to me at: obcmac@hotmail.com (other forms of donation will be accepted...just let me know) This is a voluntary effort...no need to join in if you don't wish to. Also, if you have a suggestion for a secondary Hack for any unused funds, please send the suggestion along. Thanks everyone! ================= Date: 06 Jan 2016 13:33:58 -0800 To: Subject: Friend pursuing 58 Topps. OBC material some day? From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 16:37:52 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Friend pursuing 58 Topps. OBC material some day? From: richard dingman Interesting, if you get hold of his wantlist, send it on. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 13:33:58 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Friend pursuing 58 Topps. OBC material some day? I have a friend at church who recently found out I collect cards. Thesecret is out, haha. We got to talking, and this guy has been a vintage collector for quite a long time, and really had a heyday back when the boom was happening in the 80's. I told him I was a part of a group that specialized in vintage cards. As with any conversation I have about OBC, I had a hard time explaining and he had a hard time wrapping his mind around the philosophies the group is built on. EverythingI say just seems like an exaggeration, I guess. But he seemed to think it's pretty cool. He may not be a vintage expert to the level many are in OBC, but he knew his stuff. Knew what years Drysdale, Maris, Gibson etc had their rookies... remembered what a 72 Clemente looks like. I picked up on a lot of little things like that. Hints that his knowledge was more than the average man on the Anyhoo... He has mentioned to me more than once that he wants to try and complete his 1958 Topps set because it's the year he was born. I don't know how much progress he has already made toward that end. I have maybe ten dupes I will probably add to his effort. We'll see how he reacts to the condition of my spare Shantz! Interestingly enough, one of my 2016 goals is: "Help get someone else involved." It seems as though this may be happening. Thought you'd enjoy the story. ================= To: Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 14:55:09 -0800 Subject: Do you have over 35,000 vintage singles? From: "George Vrechek" This seemed like as good a time as any to update the OBC "Set Collectors Recognition" page on our website. Last year I suggested in SCD that rather than collectors focusing on the finest conditioned cards, that instead they mark their progress by how many vintage single sports cards they owned. The 151,700-card universe of vintage (pre-1981) sports cards was estimated to include 110,000 baseball, 20,000 football, 15,000 hockey, 3,700 basketball and 3,000 cards from other The levels established for collector recognition are - Jefferson Burdick Level 80,000 vintage sports cards and above Buck Barker Level between 65,000 to 80,000 Lionel Carter Level between 50,000 to 65,000 Charles Bray Level between 35,000 to 50,000 Seven OBCers reported exceeding 35,000 cards and are listed on the Set Collectors Recognition page found near the top of our directory page and only accessed by OBCers through logging in. If you have over 35,000 vintage sports singles and want to be recognized, send me your photo and I'll update the page. If you are already recognized and have gone into a different level, let me know. George Vrechek ================= Date: 06 Jan 2016 16:02:05 -0800 To: Subject: 1/6 Waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 00:31:03 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: HoF voting From: Glenn Codere So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Griffey? GlennGlenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2016 19:01:54 -0600 To: Glenn Codere , yahoogroups Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2016 21:13:26 -0500 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Bob Donaldson Moe, Larry and Curly? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for > Griffey? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 08:45:58 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Matthew Glidden Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Moe, Larry and Curly? > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for >> Griffey? >> Glenn >> Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music >> >> Glenn's Sports Collection WantList >> ================= Date: 07 Jan 2016 07:32:49 -0800 To: Subject: Question for the group From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2016 11:14:16 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group From: Ken M Gersh,   Did a very quick eBay search and found an EX set (some better/some worse according to the description) for $99 BIN. So, you may have gotten yourself a decent deal on them if they're in similar shape. (I did see other displayed and slabbed sets for a few hundred up to 1200). As far as determining authenticity, I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like a set (or have any significant rarities) that anyone would put the effort into faking - maybe reprinting... or I could be totally wrong about that :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:32 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group I recently acquired a complete 1938 Churchman Boxing Tobacco card set at an estate auctionfor $35. All 50 cards are in very nice condition. I know nothing about this genre but figured some of you guys (Talbot) did. It seemed like a good deal in the heat of the moment, if you've everbid at a live auction. However my questions are: How do I determine if they are genuine & if theyare, was this in fact a good deal? ================= To: macknife13@prodigy.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 11:49:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: biggies@aol.com Mike I do agree with you but I am also surprised more isn't being said =0D about the legacy of the "non-unanimous" vote. Until the voting bloc has =0D forgotten who Babe Ruth was many believe that there should never be a =0D unanimous inductee.=0D Skip Bayliss made the comment that there are many in the Hall that =0D deserve a higher % of votes than Jr and while I might agree, its not a =0D contest for % and as you said, get the heck off the negative!=0D Happy New Year everyone! Bob Bannon=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] =0D To: yahoogroups =0D Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 11:17 am=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote=0D for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has =0D gotten. In the little bitofcoverage I saw on the HOF results (on =0D ESPN, the internetand on this thread),I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or =0D Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Oursociety and media is so biasedtoward BAD news, that even when there isGOOD news, we focus on =0D the bad side of it. Theone article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's =0D election pave the way for PEDusers?" Again, a good story but wecan only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all ofus that we can'tcelebrate positive news?=0D Ok - off my soapbox,but needed to get that off my chest.=0D Mike Mackie=0D From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings]" <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com>=0D To: Bob Donaldson <obcbobd@gmail.com>=0D Cc: Glenn Codere <glenncodere@yahoo.com>; yahoogroups =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of =0D Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-)=0D http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg=0D On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: =0D Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, =0D 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for =0D Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music=0D Glenn's Sports Collection WantList=0D ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:17:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group From: Taylor Schock Not to be a possible wet blanket, but are these the cards in your set? http://nslists.com/38boxi.htm Some have been reprinted (as in the above), both legitimately (by the original publisher/issuer) and some AS reprints. I'm not sure there is a way to tell or not, other than possibly by the paper stock (meaning, "NO" from an ebay purchase point of view). Mike might know, but you also might want to widen your question to another knowledgeable area as well. http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604 I'm sure a new thread there will get you a quick and insightful One reason why I personally avoid the English cig cards is that I know justenough to be dangerous. Though I can relate to getting caught up in a liveauction, and as oft quoted, "been there, done that". From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:49 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group From this side of the pond, my impression is that a great many of these older sets have been latterly reproduced - not faked, but legitimately reprinted within the past 20 years or so. I'm not sure what (if any) markings there would be to indicate a repro set. Mike Rich might be the man to answer. If they're real (and they probably are), nice pick up, Gersh!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Profile: NormCash - Rate Your Music Rate Your Music is an online community of people who love music. Catalog, rate, tag, and review your music. List and review the concerts you've attended, and track ... Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group Did a very quick eBay search and found an EX set (some better/some worseaccording to the description) for $99 BIN. So, you may have gotten yourself a decent deal on them if they're in similar shape. (I did see other displayed and slabbed sets for a few hundred up to 1200). As far as determining authenticity, I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like a set (or have any significant rarities) that anyone would put the effort into faking - maybe reprinting... or I could be totally wrong about that :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:32 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group I recently acquired a complete 1938 Churchman Boxing Tobacco card set at anestate for $35. All 50 cards are in very nice condition. I know nothing about thisgenre but figured some of you guys (Talbot) did. It seemed like a good deal in the heat of the moment, if you've ever bid at a live auction. However my questions are: How do I determine if theyare genuine & if they are, was this in fact a good deal? ================= To: yahoogroups , Mike Mackie Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 17:30:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Taylor Schock Totally agree, Mike. I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more prominent) Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they did NOT deservetheir vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. (as well) http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM To: yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments,etc. Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. Mike Mackie From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: Bob Donaldson Cc: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg [http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg] On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Moe, Larry and Curly? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Griffey? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:27:58 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: ShoelessWes I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and the reds.Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone is all, but oh well. Asfar as Griffey goes, if his induction not reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority of ouryoung athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids aren't stupid.They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit highschool and go sign up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Totally agree, Mike. > I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more prominent) > Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a point, and a pointthat I do not care about. The voters need to get off this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey.Or as others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. > I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your favorite player, even thoughhe's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. > (as well) > Regards, > Taylor > http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM > To: yahoogroups > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even whenthere is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one article I sawon Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? > Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. > Mike Mackie > OBC > From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: Bob Donaldson > Cc: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) > http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg > Spike > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Moe, Larry and Curly? > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Griffey? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: wwesmyster2@aol.com, taylor_schock@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 14:02:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: biggies@aol.com Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up.=0D I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years into cardboard by then. =0D I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played behind Johnny Lee =0D Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he was banned from the =0D game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only rule posted clearly in =0D every club house in the game. Forget that he has spent most of his life =0D lying about it, the only steadfast rule.=0D Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall because of his =0D longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and making the Seattle =0D franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and Cobb not making =0D everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player that the press was only =0D ho hum about and more than half of his career, the second half, was =0D extremely mediocre.=0D No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't vote for him as there =0D #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very varied. Some cast only =0D 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel compelled to do so.=0D With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it is their responsibility =0D to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While this years class was not =0D as strong as many in the past does Jr' really deserve a higher grade =0D than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be unanimous when Ruth wasn't?=0D This discussion comes every year but it seems that as time rolls on it =0D becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from now when Harper, Trout =0D or Greinke are inducted there will be a new generation of voters and =0D even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a group will be outraged =0D when someone doesn't get every vote.=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D To: Taylor Schock =0D Cc: yahoogroups ; Mike Mackie =0D Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in =0D 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and =0D the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's =0D induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone =0D is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not =0D reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted =0D against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have =0D to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against =0D griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people =0D off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their =0D vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's =0D gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like =0D Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority =0D of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids =0D aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that =0D matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept =0D baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a =0D decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can =0D be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, =0D and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign =0D up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no =0D long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father =0D when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown =0D give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out =0D weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo.=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D Totally agree, Mike.=0D I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these =0D days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want =0D to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more =0D Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So =0D should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day =0D long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they =0D did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a =0D point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off =0D this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than =0D neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their =0D "Griffey" vote for someone else.=0D I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players =0D (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously =0D think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the =0D HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your =0D shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your =0D favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the =0D reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH =0D votes to get elected.=0D </soapbox> (as well)=0D http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html=0D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com =0D <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Mike Mackie =0D macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM=0D To: yahoogroups=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote=0D for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has =0D gotten. In the little bitofcoverage I saw on the HOF results (on =0D ESPN, the internetand on this thread),I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or =0D Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Oursociety and media is so biasedtoward BAD news, that even when there isGOOD news, we focus on =0D the bad side of it. Theone article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's =0D election pave the way for PEDusers?" Again, a good story but wecan only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media=0D brainwashed all ofus that we can'tcelebrate positive news?=0D Ok - off my soapbox,but needed to get that off my chest.=0D Mike Mackie=0D From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" =0D To: Bob Donaldson <obcbobd@gmail.com>=0D Cc: Glenn Codere <glenncodere@yahoo.com>; yahoogroups =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of =0D Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-)=0D http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg=0D On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldsonobcbobd@gmail.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D wrote:Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for =0D Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music=0D Glenn's Sports Collection WantList=0D ================= To: ShoelessWes Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:15:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Taylor Schock I respectfully disagree regarding the reasoning for kids selection of football and basketball over baseball. Or maybe I'm inferring from your commentsthat baseball isn't doing enough to attract these kids? Or do you feel baseball as a sport is on the down slide? Or maybe I would respectfully ask for a qualification of your outlook on baseball and why kids gravitate towards football or basketball. In any case, here's my outlook. I would offer that kids gravitate towards these sports, and especially underprivileged kids, because it is an easy way out with the shortest route. Atleast in their minds. They don't see players signing right out of high school to play MAJOR LEAGUE baseball, but they do see that in basketball. Theysee 4 years and done (or less) for going to college for football and basketball as well. In baseball, this doesn't happen. Even kids that go the college route for baseball end up in the minor leagues. It's all part of the instant gratification society we live in. Basketball is even more suited for inner cities also since all you need is a ball and basket to hone your skills. Can you do that with football or baseball? Now take out the underprivileged or inner city aspect of this and look at baseball itself in a broader picture. Simply put, check out minor league attendance numbers and number of teams playing professional baseball BELOW themajor league level (minor and independent) and compare those with "minor" league basketball or football offerings (both in attendance and participation). Granted the "minor" leagues for basketball and football is mainly college hoops and football, but there happen to be quite a few college baseballteams as well. So overall baseball is doing quite well as a sport, both inparticipation and attendance. While I could tend to agree that MAJOR LEAGUE baseball is not "America's sport" as it once was, I semi-cynically might be inclined to view it as due to some of the following: the lack of instant gratification, the amount of free time that is needed to invest in a season, and the increasingly short attention span caused and amplified by modern society (among other reasons).You have 16 games in the NFL that might mean something (not counting playoffs), and the fast paced action in the NBA, vs baseball's slow, methodical,and meandering game (and season). And I would venture a proposition that baseball's increase at the lower level are sought in part by those seeking to remove themselves from the fast paced, instant gratification lifestyle that has been thrust upon us. OK... got a bit off topic there, but it IS OBC "Ramblings". :) From: ShoelessWes Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:27 PM To: Taylor Schock Cc: yahoogroups; Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and the reds.Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone is all, but oh well. Asfar as Griffey goes, if his induction not reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority of ouryoung athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids aren't stupid.They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit highschool and go sign up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Totally agree, Mike. I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more prominent) Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they did NOT deservetheir vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. (as well) http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM To: yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments,etc. Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. Mike Mackie From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: Bob Donaldson > Cc: Glenn Codere >; yahoogroups Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg [http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg] On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Moe, Larry and Curly? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Griffey? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:28:15 -0600 To: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: OBC Nick P Wow! What a great conversation we have going. I love it! When this started we had the two guys who made it I didn't see a big reasonto jump in. Two great careers, two great players, two great stories, two great sets of numbers. Two players I watched a lot as a kid. Yes I'm thatyoung/old. Slowly the conversation has turned from who made to who didn't put these two players in. The discussion has moved, right or wrong, from the guys who did make it in and paving the way for guys who didn't make it. Great topic....another thing awesome about Obc. To me, defiantly one of the great things about the hall of fame. The media has covered the election of two great individual players. Could it be more-sure. Could it be less-of course. There has also been significant coverage of the other angles to the story-Bonds, Clemens, PED's, and three guys who didn't make it in. My opinion on the reasons for that.....the "positive" story is quick. The media can't show each of Jr's 630 home runs. I don't want to see that. He liked to hit them in the metrodome. The story of their baseball life can only be told for so long. Without trying to pick on ESPN they have five or six television networks running 24 hours a day. That's 120 hours of "news" they need to fill every day. They can parade a string of "experts" out to talk about both sides of the negative. Piazza going in puts Bonds in. Jr. Didn't get 100% who didn't vote for him and why. It fills airtime. This doesn't include fox sports and all of the other sports news networks. The "negative" fills time. Is there too much media? Maybe. What there is needs to fill their time to keep us watching. Without the coverage as it has been would we be having this discussion the way we are? Would there be more discussion? Congrats to Piazza! Congrats to Griffey Jr. OBC IS AWESOME! Let's keep this going. Can't wait to see everybody else's two Nick Pelletier > On Jan 7, 2016, at 1:02 PM, biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up. > I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years into cardboard by then. > I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played behind Johnny Lee > Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he was banned from the > game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only rule posted clearly in > every club house in the game. Forget that he has spent most of his life > lying about it, the only steadfast rule. > Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall because of his > longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and making the Seattle > franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and Cobb not making > everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player that the press was only > ho hum about and more than half of his career, the second half, was > extremely mediocre. > No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't vote for him as there > #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very varied. Some cast only > 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel compelled to do so. > With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it is their responsibility > to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While this years class was not > as strong as many in the past does Jr' really deserve a higher grade > than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be unanimous when Ruth wasn't? > This discussion comes every year but it seems that as time rolls on it > becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from now when Harper, Trout > or Greinke are inducted there will be a new generation of voters and > even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a group will be outraged > when someone doesn't get every vote. > bb > -----Original Message----- > From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: yahoogroups ; Mike Mackie > > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in > 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and > the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's > induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone > is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not > reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted > against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have > to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against > griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people > off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their > vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's > gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like > Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority > of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids > aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that > matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept > baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a > decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can > be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, > and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign > up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no > long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father > when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown > give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out > weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Totally agree, Mike. > I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these > days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want > to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more > prominent) > Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So > should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day > long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they > did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a > point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off > this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than > neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their > "Griffey" vote for someone else. > I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players > (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously > think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the > HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your > shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your > favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the > reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH > votes to get elected. > (as well) > Regards, > Taylor > http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Mike Mackie > macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM > To: yahoogroups > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote > for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has > gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on > ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the > fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or > Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and media is so > biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on > the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't > was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's > election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can > only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media > brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? > Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. > Mike Mackie > OBC > From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: Bob Donaldson > Cc: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups > > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of > Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) > http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg > Spike > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldsonobcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere > glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for > Griffey? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 13:34:55 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: JAY TYSVER It suprises me that Carlos Delgado got only 3.8% of the votes last year andJeff Bagwell gets 60% or greater each year. Delgado had better numbers than Bagwell and each played in the same era and same position. My concern is that I feel Hoffman will take the Wagner vote away and that is a shame because Wagner was better than Hoffman. The problem I have is that the writers have too many biases. In my opinion,get 5 guys who know and understand the history of the game. Let them vote.4 of 5 votes and you are in. Ballot has no limit to how many can get votedon. I can't for the life of me see why there needs to be 440 voters. I'd nominate Bill James, Peter Gammons, Frank Robinson, Tony LaRussa and Tommy Lasorda to do the picking for the hall. I'd also accept Monte Irvin, Red Schoendienst, Don Newcombe, Hank Aaron or Vin Scully as voters also. Jay Tysver To: wwesmyster2@aol.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:15:26 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting I respectfully disagree regarding the reasoning for kids selection of football and basketball over baseball. Or maybe I'm inferring from your commentsthat baseball isn't doing enough to attract these kids? Or do you feel baseball as a sport is on the down slide? Or maybe I would respectfully ask for a qualification of your outlook on baseball and why kids gravitate towards football or basketball. In any case, here's my outlook. I would offer that kids gravitate towards these sports, and especially underprivileged kids, because it is an easy way out with the shortest route. Atleast in their minds. They don't see players signing right out of high school to play MAJOR LEAGUE baseball, but they do see that in basketball. They see 4 years and done (or less) for going to college for football and basketball as well. In baseball, this doesn't happen. Even kids that go the college route for baseball end up in the minor leagues. It's all part of the instant gratification society we live in. Basketball is even more suited for inner cities also since all you need is a ball and basket to honeyour skills. Can you do that with football or baseball? Now take out the underprivileged or inner city aspect of this and look at baseball itself in a broader picture. Simply put, check out minor league attendance numbers and number of teams playing professional baseball BELOW themajor league level (minor and independent) and compare those with "minor" league basketball or football offerings (both in attendance and participation). Granted the "minor" leagues for basketball and football is mainly college hoops and football, but there happen to be quite a few college baseball teams as well. So overall baseball is doing quite well as a sport, both in participation and attendance. While I could tend to agree that MAJOR LEAGUE baseball is not "America's sport" as it once was, I semi-cynically might be inclined to view it as due to some of the following: the lack of instant gratification, the amount of free time that is needed to invest in a season, and the increasingly short attention span caused and amplified by modern society (among other reasons). You have 16 games in the NFL that might mean something (not counting playoffs), and the fast paced action in the NBA, vs baseball's slow, methodical, and meandering game (and season). And I would venture a proposition that baseball's increase at the lower level are sought in part by those seeking to remove themselves from the fast paced, instant gratification lifestyle that has been thrust upon us. OK... got a bit off topic there, but it IS OBC "Ramblings". :) From: ShoelessWes Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:27 PM To: Taylor Schock Cc: yahoogroups; Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and the reds.Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against griffey being in the hall. BTWruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out weigh the negatives, and then the media will nothave so much ammo. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Totally agree, Mike. I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more prominent) Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they did NOT deservetheir vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whateverthe reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. (as well) http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM To: yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't votefor Griffey than I did about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on thenegative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. Mike Mackie From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: Bob Donaldson Cc: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Moe, Larry and Curly? On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Griffey? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Sports Collection WantList ================= To: JAY TYSVER Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:37:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Yaz I've got to really disagree on this point with Jay concerning Bagwell and Delgado. Bagwell, despite playing two years less than Delgado clearly had superior numbers in every category with the exception of two dozen HRs and .006 Slugging average. He had like 300 more hits, 250 more runs, more doubles, more RBIs, almost twice as many triples, 300 or so more walks and almost 200 less strikeouts. His batting average was .297 compared to Delgado's .280 and his onbase % was .408 to .383. Holy Crow! his WAR was 79.6 to Delgado's 44.3 and he stole 202 bases to Delgado's 14. Delgado was chosen for two All-Star teams and won the Hank Aaron award in 2000 as well as the ML player of the year award and won three Silver Slugger awards. Bagwell had 4 All-Star selections, NL Rookie of the Year, ML player of the year, 1994 NL MVP, a Gold Glove and 3 Silver Slugger awards. While Delgado certainly had a great career, I think he comps a bit closer to Giambi and Stargell, a bit behind McGriff. He really isn't ahead of Bagwell by any stretch except for the 24 Home Runs and there are lots of guys with more HRs than Bags that won't see a plaque. Greg (yaz) On 1/7/2016 1:34 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > It suprises me that Carlos Delgado got only 3.8% of the votes last > year and Jeff Bagwell gets 60% or greater each year. Delgado had > better numbers than Bagwell and each played in the same era and same > position. My concern is that I feel Hoffman will take the Wagner vote > away and that is a shame because Wagner was better than Hoffman. > The problem I have is that the writers have too many biases. In my > opinion, get 5 guys who know and understand the history of the game. > Let them vote. 4 of 5 votes and you are in. Ballot has no limit to how > many can get voted on. I can't for the life of me see why there needs > to be 440 voters. > I'd nominate Bill James, Peter Gammons, Frank Robinson, Tony LaRussa > and Tommy Lasorda to do the picking for the hall. > I'd also accept Monte Irvin, Red Schoendienst, Don Newcombe, Hank > Aaron or Vin Scully as voters also. > Jay Tysver > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: wwesmyster2@aol.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 19:15:26 +0000 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > I respectfully disagree regarding the reasoning for kids selection of > football and basketball over baseball. Or maybe I'm inferring from > your comments that baseball isn't doing enough to attract these kids? > Or do you feel baseball as a sport is on the down slide? Or maybe I > would respectfully ask for a qualification of your outlook on baseball > and why kids gravitate towards football or basketball. > In any case, here's my outlook. > I would offer that kids gravitate towards these sports, and especially > underprivileged kids, because it is an easy way out with the shortest > route. At least in their minds. They don't see players signing right > out of high school to play MAJOR LEAGUE baseball, but they do see that > in basketball. They see 4 years and done (or less) for going to > college for football and basketball as well. In baseball, this doesn't > happen. Even kids that go the college route for baseball end up in the > minor leagues. It's all part of the instant gratification society we > live in. Basketball is even more suited for inner cities also since > all you need is a ball and basket to hone your skills. Can you do that > with football or baseball? > Now take out the underprivileged or inner city aspect of this and look > at baseball itself in a broader picture. Simply put, check out minor > league attendance numbers and number of teams playing professional > baseball BELOW the major league level (minor and independent) and > compare those with "minor" league basketball or football offerings > (both in attendance and participation). Granted the "minor" leagues > for basketball and football is mainly college hoops and football, but > there happen to be quite a few college baseball teams as well. So > overall baseball is doing quite well as a sport, both in participation > and attendance. > While I could tend to agree that MAJOR LEAGUE baseball is not > "America's sport" as it once was, I semi-cynically might be inclined > to view it as due to some of the following: the lack of instant > gratification, the amount of free time that is needed to invest in a > season, and the increasingly short attention span caused and amplified > by modern society (among other reasons). You have 16 games in the NFL > that might mean something (not counting playoffs), and the fast paced > action in the NBA, vs baseball's slow, methodical, and meandering game > (and season). And I would venture a proposition that baseball's > increase at the lower level are sought in part by those seeking to > remove themselves from the fast paced, instant gratification lifestyle > that has been thrust upon us. > OK... got a bit off topic there, but it IS OBC "Ramblings". :) > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* ShoelessWes > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:27 PM > *To:* Taylor Schock > *Cc:* yahoogroups; Mike Mackie > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in > 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey > and the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's > induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like > testosterone is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his > induction not reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the > guys that voted against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, > they should all have to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if > they are against griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a > lot of people off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to > expose their vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. > Nobody's gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont > like Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The > majority of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... > Kids aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that > matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept > baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a > decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can > be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, > and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign > up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no > long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father > when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown > give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out > weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: > Totally agree, Mike. > I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press > these days that they don't want to just report the news, but > rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new > development but just more prominent) > Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. > So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate > all day long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who > thinks they did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was > trying to make a point, /and a point that I do not care about/. > The voters need to get off this idea that since Joe Slobotnick > (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey. Or as > others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. > I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 > players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does > anyone seriously think that if you can vote for as many as you > want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further > than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a > show of "support for your favorite player, even though he's not > HOF worthy" (or whatever the reason) doesn't mean that others will > vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. > (as well) > Regards, > Taylor > http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > > on behalf of Mike Mackie > macknife13@prodigy.net > [OBC-Ramblings] > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM > *To:* yahoogroups > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't > vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that > has gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF > results (on ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot > more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did > about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. > Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even when > there is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one > article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he > was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's election pave the > way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on > the negative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all > of us that we can't celebrate positive news? > Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. > Mike Mackie > OBC > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" > > > *To:* Bob Donaldson > > *Cc:* Glenn Codere >; yahoogroups > > > *Sent:* Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot > of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) > http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg > Spike > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: > Moe, Larry and Curly? > On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere > glenncodere@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who > didn't vote for Griffey? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > ================= To: biggies@aol.com, wwesmyster2@aol.com, taylor_schock@hotmail.com Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 21:44:45 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Yaz Rose can't get in the HOF because the HOF made up a special rule just to keep him out. Being banned from baseball did not make him ineligible until the HOF wrote the rule to keep him out. Shoeless Joe was even eligible although he was banned. He just didn't get any, (2), votes from the writers and eventually fell off. The HOF committee were afraid Rose would get votes so they made up the rule real fast. Greg (yaz) On 1/7/2016 1:02 PM, biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up. > I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years into cardboard by then. > I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played behind Johnny Lee > Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he was banned from the > game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only rule posted clearly in > every club house in the game. Forget that he has spent most of his life > lying about it, the only steadfast rule. > Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall because of his > longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and making the Seattle > franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and Cobb not making > everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player that the press was only > ho hum about and more than half of his career, the second half, was > extremely mediocre. > No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't vote for him as there > #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very varied. Some cast only > 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel compelled to do so. > With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it is their responsibility > to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While this years class was not > as strong as many in the past does Jr' really deserve a higher grade > than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be unanimous when Ruth wasn't? > This discussion comes every year but it seems that as time rolls on it > becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from now when Harper, Trout > or Greinke are inducted there will be a new generation of voters and > even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a group will be outraged > when someone doesn't get every vote. > bb > -----Original Message----- > From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: yahoogroups ; Mike Mackie > > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in > 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and > the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's > induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone > is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not > reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted > against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have > to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against > griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people > off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their > vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's > gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like > Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority > of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids > aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that > matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept > baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a > decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can > be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, > and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign > up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no > long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father > when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown > give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out > weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Totally agree, Mike. > I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these > days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want > to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more > prominent) > Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So > should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day > long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they > did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a > point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off > this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than > neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their > "Griffey" vote for someone else. > I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players > (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously > think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the > HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your > shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your > favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the > reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH > votes to get elected. > (as well) > Regards, > Taylor > http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Mike Mackie > macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM > To: yahoogroups > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote > for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has > gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on > ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the > fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or > Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and media is so > biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on > the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't > was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's > election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can > only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media > brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? > Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. > Mike Mackie > OBC > From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: Bob Donaldson > Cc: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups > > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of > Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) > http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg > Spike > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldsonobcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere > glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for > Griffey? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 01:20:07 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: ShoelessWes I do concede on the main reasons many American kids tend to shy away from baseball. Though it will always be "my" personal favorite sport, i just seemto notice fewer and fewer people under 20 fantasizing about being a home run hitter. I know about the other reasons, but i just want baseball to quitshooting itself in the foot. I'm just wanting MLB to be more competitive with basketball. (BTW, i was appointed Head Coach of 2nd grade basketball team for Nolan's greater Catholic league hoops! Lol, i volunteered) on that note, i think my boy may be ready for coach pitch in the spring i hope.... Baseball needs the organs back in the parks, and get rid of instant replay. And i know about Pete. He's an idiot, a sick man i guess. But damn it, he'sgot one of the most unbeatable records in the game. And he never killed anybody, beat up a fan, reproduced a bunch of illegitimate children, used steroids, played drunk (mickey), or used steroids ( did i say that already?) Idont even think I've heard anyone say, though statistically it might be true, that Rose was an adulterist (ruth). Pete cant be my HOMer. You'd be ignorant to say mediocre and Rose in the same breath. (I paused an extra breath)... Rose would be in my hall of domination. He dominated the sport of baseball and its players. In the end lost and everybody suffered. Pete and MLBare like divorcing parents, nobody wins, and the only real losers are the kids (us fans)... Now we watch minor leaguers from central America and Latin islands cone and dominate ball diamonds while kids from American cities play Modern Warfare on xbox and go play whatever. ...... I cherish the wisdom and technical knowledge of our group, which i think helps keep the 'hobbycollecting' alive, but also the spectacle of sports in general. Baseball in particular. I'm done now, thanks! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Taylor Schock wrote: > I respectfully disagree regarding the reasoning for kids selection of football and basketball over baseball. Or maybe I'm inferring from your comments that baseball isn't doing enough to attract these kids? Or do you feel baseball as a sport is on the down slide? Or maybe I would respectfully ask for a qualification of your outlook on baseball and why kids gravitate towards football or basketball. > In any case, here's my outlook. > I would offer that kids gravitate towards these sports, and especially underprivileged kids, because it is an easy way out with the shortest route. At least in their minds. They don't see players signing right out of high school to play MAJOR LEAGUE baseball, but they do see that in basketball. They see 4 years and done (or less) for going to college for football and basketball as well. In baseball, this doesn't happen. Even kids that go the college route for baseball end up in the minor leagues. It's all part of the instant gratification society we live in. Basketball is even more suited for inner cities also since all you need is a ball and basket to hone your skills. Can you do that with football or baseball? > Now take out the underprivileged or inner city aspect of this and look atbaseball itself in a broader picture. Simply put, check out minor league attendance numbers and number of teams playing professional baseball BELOW the major league level (minor and independent) and compare those with "minor" league basketball or football offerings (both in attendance and participation). Granted the "minor" leagues for basketball and football is mainly college hoops and football, but there happen to be quite a few college baseball teams as well. So overall baseball is doing quite well as a sport, both in participation and attendance. > While I could tend to agree that MAJOR LEAGUE baseball is not "America's sport" as it once was, I semi-cynically might be inclined to view it as dueto some of the following: the lack of instant gratification, the amount offree time that is needed to invest in a season, and the increasingly shortattention span caused and amplified by modern society (among other reasons). You have 16 games in the NFL that might mean something (not counting playoffs), and the fast paced action in the NBA, vs baseball's slow, methodical, and meandering game (and season). And I would venture a proposition thatbaseball's increase at the lower level are sought in part by those seekingto remove themselves from the fast paced, instant gratification lifestyle that has been thrust upon us. > OK... got a bit off topic there, but it IS OBC "Ramblings". :) > Regards, > Taylor > From: ShoelessWes > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:27 PM > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: yahoogroups; Mike Mackie > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted against him dont speak up and sayso? For Griffey, they should all have to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt haveto expose their vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Totally agree, Mike. >> I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these daysthat they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more prominent) >> Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day long ifGriffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off this idea that sinceJoe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. >> I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously thinkthat if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. >> (as well) >> Regards, >> Taylor >> http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM >> To: yahoogroups >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting >> You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has gotten. Inthe little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on ESPN, the internetand on this thread), I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along thelines of "does Piazza's election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive news? >> Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. >> Mike Mackie >> OBC >> From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> To: Bob Donaldson >> Cc: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups >> Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting >> Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) >> http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg >> Spike >> On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Moe, Larry and Curly? >> On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Griffey? >> Glenn >> Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music >> Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: wwesmyster2@aol.com, taylor_schock@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 09:48:45 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: biggies@aol.com The Rose HOF discussion comes up every year and my position, Giamatti's =0D position, is very simple. In 1920 the American pastime, the ONLY sport =0D in America, was severely threatened to distinction. Landis, and if you =0D haven't read it "Landis, 25 years of Baseball" I think, is a great =0D read, saved the game and perhaps a lot more. The eastern cities were =0D spiraling down in corruption at a crazy pace. His becoming baseball's =0D first commissioner and yes, saving the game, was as big a stroke of =0D American history as one can read about.=0D But we have forgotten that. Most people think Pete should be in =0D because they either don't know the gravity of that time in 1920 or have =0D forgotten it. But because we were about to lose the game, in his wisdom =0D Judge Landis stroked one empirical rule, rule 21, the Misconduct Rule. =0D Article D states:=0D (d) BETTING ON BALL GAMES. Any player, umpire, or club official or=0D employee, who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in=0D connection with which the bettor has no duty to perform shall be =0D ineligible for one year.=0D Any player, umpire, or club or league official or employee, who =0D bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which=0D the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently =0D I have a copy of the Dowd report (signed by Pete in front of me), in =0D it is specific evidence, even back then that he bet on Reds and =0D Phillies games while playing and coaching. He contends that he never =0D bet against his team but most close to the situation doubt that.=0D If we forget 9/11 and let our guard down we will be attacked again. If =0D we forget Katrina thousands will die. It sounds silly to compare =0D baseball to these things but I'm hoping to make the point, you cannot =0D Wes you speak of the other civil crimes athletes commit, some not so =0D civil, and you are right these too should be addressed with more vigor. =0D But that is yet to be decided. What has been decided is that if you bet =0D on baseball while in baseball you are forever out. And once out you are =0D out of everything including the HOF.=0D I am sure that you have been to the Hall. There is certainly no lack =0D of Pete and his records in the museum.=0D But he does not deserve to wear the badge of HOF honor as he committed =0D the greatest of baseball sins.=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D To: Taylor Schock =0D Cc: yahoogroups =0D Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 1:20 am=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D I do concede on the main reasons many American kids tend to shy away =0D from baseball. Though it will always be "my" personal favorite sport, i =0D just seem to notice fewer and fewer people under 20 fantasizing about =0D being a home run hitter. I know about the other reasons, but i just =0D want baseball to quit shooting itself in the foot. I'm just wanting MLB =0D to be more competitive with basketball. (BTW, i was appointed Head =0D Coach of 2nd grade basketball team for Nolan's greater Catholic league =0D hoops! Lol, i volunteered) on that note, i think my boy may be ready =0D for coach pitch in the spring i hope.... Baseball needs the organs back =0D in the parks, and get rid of instant replay. And i know about Pete. =0D He's an idiot, a sick man i guess. But damn it, he's got one of the =0D most unbeatable records in the game. And he never killed anybody, beat =0D up a fan, reproduced a bunch of illegitimate children, used steroids, =0D played drunk (mickey), or used steroids ( did i say that already?) I =0D dont even think I've heard anyone say, though statistically it might be =0D true, that Rose was an adulterist (ruth). Pete cant be my HOMer. You'd =0D be ignorant to say mediocre and Rose in the same breath. (I paused an =0D extra breath)... Rose would be in my hall of domination. He dominated =0D the sport of baseball and its players. In the end lost and everybody =0D suffered. Pete and MLB are like divorcing parents, nobody wins, and the =0D only real losers are the kids (us fans)... Now we watch minor leaguers =0D from central America and Latin islands cone and dominate ball diamonds =0D while kids from American cities play Modern Warfare on xbox and go play =0D whatever. ...... I cherish the wisdom and technical knowledge of our =0D group, which i think helps keep the 'hobby collecting' alive, but also =0D the spectacle of sports in general. Baseball in particular. I'm done =0D now, thanks!=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 7, 2016, at 2:15 PM, Taylor Schock =0D <taylor_schock@hotmail.com> wrote:=0D I respectfully disagree regarding the reasoning for kids selection of =0D football and basketball over baseball. Or maybe I'm inferring from your =0D comments that baseball isn't doing enough to attract these kids? Or do =0D you feel baseball as a sport is on the down slide? Or maybe I would =0D respectfully ask for a qualification of your outlook on baseball and =0D why kids gravitate towards football or basketball.=0D In any case, here's my outlook.=0D I would offer that kids gravitate towards these sports, and especially =0D underprivileged kids, because it is an easy way out with the shortest =0D route. At least in their minds. They don't see players signing right =0D out of high school to play MAJOR LEAGUE baseball, but they do see that =0D in basketball.They see 4 years and done (or less) for going to college for football and basketball as well. In baseball, this doesn't happen. =0D Even kids that go the college route for baseball end up in the minor =0D leagues. It's all part of the instant gratification society we live =0D in.Basketball is even more suited for inner cities also since all you=0D need is a ball and basket to hone your skills. Can you do that with =0D football or baseball?=0D Now take out the underprivileged or inner city aspect of this and look =0D at baseball itself in a broader picture. Simply put, check out minor =0D league attendance numbers and number of teams playing professional =0D baseball BELOW the major league level (minor and independent) and =0D compare those with "minor" league basketball or football offerings =0D (both in attendance and participation). Granted the "minor" leagues for =0D basketball and football is mainly college hoops and football, but there =0D happen to be quite a few college baseball teams as well. So overall =0D baseball is doing quite well as a sport, both in participation and =0D While I could tend to agree that MAJOR LEAGUE baseball is not =0D "America's sport" as it once was, I semi-cynically might be inclined to =0D view it as due to some of the following: the lack of instant =0D gratification, the amount of free time that is needed to invest in a =0D season, and the increasingly short attention span caused and amplified =0D by modern society (among other reasons). You have 16 games in the NFL =0D that might mean something (not counting playoffs), and the fast paced =0D action in the NBA, vs baseball's slow, methodical, and meandering game =0D (and season). And I would venture a proposition that baseball's =0D increase at the lower level are sought in part by those seeking to =0D remove themselves from the fast paced, instant gratification lifestyle =0D that has been thrust upon us.=0D OK... got a bit off topic there, but it IS OBC "Ramblings". :)=0D From: ShoelessWes <wwesmyster2@aol.com>=0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 1:27 PM=0D To: Taylor Schock=0D Cc: yahoogroups; Mike Mackie=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in =0D 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and =0D the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, Piazza's =0D induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone =0D is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not =0D reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted =0D against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have =0D to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are against =0D griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people =0D off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their =0D vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. Nobody's =0D gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like =0D Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority =0D of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids =0D aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that =0D matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept =0D baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a =0D decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can =0D be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, =0D and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign =0D up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no =0D long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father =0D when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and Cooperstown =0D give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out =0D weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo.=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D Totally agree, Mike.=0D I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these =0D days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want =0D to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more =0D Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So =0D should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day =0D long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they =0D did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a =0D point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off =0D this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than =0D neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their =0D "Griffey" vote for someone else.=0D I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players =0D (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously =0D think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the =0D HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your =0D shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your =0D favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the =0D reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH =0D votes to get elected.=0D </soapbox> (as well)=0D http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html=0D From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com =0D <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Mike =0D Mackiemacknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM=0D To: yahoogroups=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote=0D for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has =0D gotten. In the little bitofcoverage I saw on the HOF results (on =0D ESPN, the internetand on this thread),I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or =0D Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Oursociety and media is so biasedtoward BAD news, that even when there isGOOD news, we focus on =0D the bad side of it. Theone article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's =0D election pave the way for PEDusers?" Again, a good story but wecan only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the media=0D brainwashed all ofus that we can'tcelebrate positive news?=0D Ok - off my soapbox,but needed to get that off my chest.=0D Mike Mackie=0D From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" =0D To: Bob Donaldson <obcbobd@gmail.com>=0D Cc: Glenn Codere <glenncodere@yahoo.com>; yahoogroups =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of =0D Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-)=0D http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg=0D On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob Donaldsonobcbobd@gmail.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings]<OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D wrote:Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for =0D Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music=0D Glenn's Sports Collection WantList=0D ================= To: yazobc@gmail.com, wwesmyster2@aol.com, taylor_schock@hotmail.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:41:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: biggies@aol.com Not sure what you mean by a special rule Greg, the rule was an absolute =0D in 1920. No changes since then.=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Yaz =0D To: biggies ; wwesmyster2 ; =0D taylor_schock =0D Cc: OBC-Ramblings ; macknife13 =0D Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:44 pm=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D Rose can't get in the HOF because the HOF made up a =0D special rule just to keep him out. Being banned from baseball did =0D not make him ineligible until the HOF wrote the rule to keep him =0D out. Shoeless Joe was even eligible although he was banned. He just =0D didn't get any, (2), votes from the writers and eventually fell off. =0D The HOF committee were afraid Rose would get votes so they made up =0D the rule real fast.=0D Greg (yaz)=0D On 1/7/2016 1:02 PM, biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:=0D Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up.=0D I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years into =0D cardboard by then.=0D I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played behind =0D Johnny Lee=0D Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he was =0D banned from the=0D game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only rule =0D posted clearly in=0D every club house in the game. Forget that he has spent =0D most of his life=0D lying about it, the only steadfast rule.=0D Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall because of =0D longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and making the =0D franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and Cobb not =0D everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player that the =0D press was only=0D ho hum about and more than half of his career, the second =0D half, was=0D extremely mediocre.=0D No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't vote for =0D him as there=0D #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very varied. =0D Some cast only=0D 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel compelled =0D to do so.=0D With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it is their =0D to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While this years =0D class was not=0D as strong as many in the past does Jr' really deserve a =0D higher grade=0D than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be unanimous when =0D Ruth wasn't?=0D This discussion comes every year but it seems that as =0D time rolls on it=0D becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from now when =0D Harper, Trout=0D or Greinke are inducted there will be a new generation of =0D voters and=0D even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a group =0D will be outraged=0D when someone doesn't get every vote.=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]=0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D To: Taylor Schock <taylor_schock@hotmail.com> =0D Cc: yahoogroups <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; =0D Mike Mackie=0D Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and =0D i was 8 in=0D 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always =0D loved griffey and=0D the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, =0D induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells =0D like testosterone=0D is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his =0D induction not=0D reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the =0D guys that voted=0D against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they =0D should all have=0D to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are =0D griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot =0D of people=0D off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to =0D expose their=0D vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. =0D gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you =0D dont like=0D Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. =0D The majority=0D of our young athletes are going to football basketball =0D etc... Kids=0D aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose =0D for that=0D matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents =0D and kept=0D baseball above the other sports, for extended periods =0D spanning over a=0D decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can=0D be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, =0D never, never,=0D and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school =0D and go sign=0D up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. =0D Baseball has no=0D long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts =0D me as a father=0D when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and =0D give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the =0D positives out=0D weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so =0D much ammo.=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock =0D [OBC-Ramblings] =0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D Totally agree, Mike.=0D I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the =0D press these=0D days that they don't want to just report the news, but =0D rather they want=0D to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but =0D just more=0D Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous =0D decision. So=0D should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can =0D debate all day=0D long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who =0D thinks they=0D did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was =0D trying to make a=0D point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters =0D need to get off=0D this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a =0D unanimous vote than=0D neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, =0D saving their=0D "Griffey" vote for someone else.=0D I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote =0D for 10 players=0D (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does =0D anyone seriously=0D think that if you can vote for as many as you want it =0D would dilute the=0D HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? =0D Saving your=0D shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support =0D for your=0D favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or =0D whatever the=0D reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let =0D enough ENOUGH=0D votes to get elected.=0D </soapbox> (as well)=0D http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html =0D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com=0D <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of Mike =0D macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings]=0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM=0D To: yahoogroups=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters =0D who didn't vote=0D for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press=0D that has=0D gotten. In the little bitofcoverage I saw on the HOF =0D results (on=0D ESPN, the internetand on this thread),I heard a lot more about the=0D fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about =0D Griffey or=0D Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Oursociety and =0D media is so=0D biasedtoward BAD news, that even when there isGOOD news, we focus on=0D the bad side of it. Theone article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't=0D was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of =0D "does Piazza's=0D election pave the way for PEDusers?" Again, a good story but we can=0D only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the =0D brainwashed all ofus that we can'tcelebrate positive Ok - off my soapbox,but needed to get that off my chest. Mike Mackie=0D From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com =0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D To: Bob Donaldson <obcbobd@gmail.com>=0D Cc: Glenn Codere <glenncodere@yahoo.com>; =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting =0D for. Lot of=0D Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-)=0D http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob =0D [OBC-Ramblings] =0D wrote:Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, =0D 2016, Glenn Codere=0D glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]=0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: =0D So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who =0D didn't vote for=0D Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music=0D Glenn's Sports Collection WantList=0D ================= Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:38:11 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: JAY TYSVER I don't believe the rules for baseball carries over for HOF voting. That would have had to be changed to not allow Rose on the ballot. Joe Jackson wason the ballot for the initial HOF vote and received 2 votes despite his lifetime The Hall changed its rules in 1990 stating that any player on the ineligible list would not be allowed on the ballot. That would have been Rose's first year on the ballot. Jay Tysver To: yazobc@gmail.com; wwesmyster2@aol.com; taylor_schock@hotmail.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; macknife13@prodigy.net From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:41:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting Not sure what you mean by a special rule Greg, the rule was an absolute in 1920. No changes since then. -----Original Message----- From: Yaz To: biggies ; wwesmyster2 ; taylor_schock Cc: OBC-Ramblings ; macknife13 Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting Rose can't get in the HOF because the HOF made up a special rule just to keep him out. Being banned from baseball did not make him ineligible until the HOF wrote the rule to keep him out. Shoeless Joe was even eligible although he was banned. He just didn't get any, (2), votes from the writers and eventually fell off. The HOF committee were afraid Rose would get votes so they made up the rule real fast. Greg (yaz) On 1/7/2016 1:02 PM, biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up. I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years into cardboard by then. I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played behind Johnny Lee Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he was banned from the game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only rule posted clearly in every club house in the game. Forget that he has spent most of his life lying about it, the only steadfast rule. Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall because of longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and making the franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and Cobb not everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player that the press was only ho hum about and more than half of his career, the second half, was extremely mediocre. No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't vote for him as there #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very varied. Some cast only 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel compelled to do so. With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it is their to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While this years class was not as strong as many in the past does Jr' really deserve a higher grade than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be unanimous when Ruth wasn't? This discussion comes every year but it seems that as time rolls on it becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from now when Harper, Trout or Greinke are inducted there will be a new generation of voters and even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a group will be outraged when someone doesn't get every vote. -----Original Message----- From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Taylor Schock Cc: yahoogroups ; Mike Mackie Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and i was 8 in 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always loved griffey and the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells like testosterone is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his induction not reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the guys that voted against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they should all have to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot of people off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to expose their vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you dont like Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. The majority of our young athletes are going to football basketball etc... Kids aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose for that matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents and kept baseball above the other sports, for extended periods spanning over a decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with baseball you can be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, never, never, and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school and go sign up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. Baseball has no long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts me as a father when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the positives out weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so much ammo. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock wrote: Totally agree, Mike. I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the press these days that they don't want to just report the news, but rather they want to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but just more Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous decision. So should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can debate all day long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who thinks they did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was trying to make a point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters need to get off this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a unanimous vote than neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, saving their "Griffey" vote for someone else. I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote for 10 players (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does anyone seriously think that if you can vote for as many as you want it would dilute the HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? Saving your shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support for your favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or whatever the reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let enough ENOUGH votes to get elected. (as well) http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mike macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM To: yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters who didn't vote for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press that has gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF results (on ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot more about the fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about Griffey or Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and media is so biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD news, we focus on the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's election wasn't was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of "does Piazza's election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good story but we can only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. Mike Mackie From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com To: Bob Donaldson Cc: Glenn Codere ; Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting for. Lot of Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob wrote: Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, 2016, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who didn't vote for Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:01:05 -0500 Subject: Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins From: "Bob Donaldson" I'm looking for some 2x2 coin holders for my 1971 Topps Coins so that I can put them in plastic pages. Does anyone know what size I should get. I'm thinking this http://www.amazon.com/Premium-BCW-Cardboard-Holders-Pre-1979/dp/B0088YVI5G/r , Bob Donaldson Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 18:02:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins From: Mac Wubben Silver Dollar ones work. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:01 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins I'm looking for some 2x2 coin holders for my 1971 Topps Coins so that I canput them in plastic pages. Does anyone know what size I should get. I'm thinking this http://www.amazon.com/Premium-BCW-Cardboard-Holders-Pre-1979/dp/B0088YVI5G/refpd_sim_21_18?ieUTF8&dpID51joJtdb%2BvL&dpSrcsim= s&preST_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_&refRID1NKHMA1KDAJVEZPS9BX5 which is forsilver Amazon.com: 100 Ct. Premium BCW Cardboard Coin Holders Flips For Pre-1979 Silver Dollars: Toys & Games, Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:02:56 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins From: "Bob Donaldson" Thanks Mac! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:02 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' ; Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins Silver Dollar ones work. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 1:01 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins I'm looking for some 2x2 coin holders for my 1971 Topps Coins so that I can put them in plastic pages. Does anyone know what size I should get. I'm thinking this Amazon.com: 100 Ct. Premium BCW Cardboard Coin Holders Flips For Pre-1979 Silver Dollars: Toys & Games www.amazon.com Amazon.com: 100 Ct. Premium BCW Cardboard Coin Holders Flips For Pre-1979 Silver Dollars: Toys & Games ================= Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 15:26:55 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Shout out to... From: Kent Shout out to Larry Gershbach for 52 Topps Black Back variation #73 William Werle. Thanks again "Gersh", ================= Date: 08 Jan 2016 12:50:37 -0800 To: Subject: The Force is strong with these two! From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 16:31:16 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Stan Hack Leon Luckey (Net54 Owner) From: LAWRENCE TIPTON From our online =E2=9COBC Slang Dictionary=E2=9D: Stan Hack - Shrouded in mystery, Stan Hack prowls among the group, seeking wantlists to hit. Who is he? Only time will tell=E2=A6 Stan Hacked - One is said to have been "Stan Hacked" or "Hacked" when they are the recipient of a package from the group's mysterious benefactor=E2=A6 I just wanted to resend the message Mac put out thinking that some members may have missed it. Voluntary donations ($10 and under suggested) should be sent to obcmac@hotmail.com I was thinking about a new Stan Hack effort. Leon Luckey (the net54 moderator/owner) has been generous with his time, donated ad space and support forOBC in general. I think it would be nice if we could give back a little. Now he generally collects outside of our wheelhouse, but he recently mentioned wanting to pick up a 53 Bowman Reese. I was hoping that OBC could send it along to give a little back. If you are interested in helping out on thiseffort, you can send a contribution to me at: obcmac@hotmail.com (other forms of donation will be accepted...just let meknow) This is a voluntary effort...no need to join in if you don't wish to. Also,if you have a suggestion for a secondary Hack for any unused funds, pleasesend the suggestion along. Thanks everyone! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 23:46:11 +0000 Subject: What cards would you offer a generous trade for? From: Mac Wubben Before spending stupid money for some mid-high series 71 OPC commons, I'd though I'd ask the group if anybody would like to pull them from their sets in progress...happy to drastically overpay. Nice T206 hof'er? T3? CrackerJack? Tough OPC? Really...just let me know if you have these three: 1971 OPC 535 Flood 543 Yankees 560 Staub Also...I'd love to hear about other cards like this in the group. What would you over pay (or over trade) for? Someone needs to have it though to make it interesting. What do you guys need? ================= Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 21:56:24 -0500 To: obcbobd@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Dollar size 2 x 2 holders. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: 'OBC Ramblings' Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 1:01 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins I=E2=99m looking for some 2x2 coin holders for my 1971 Topps Coins so that I can put them in plastic pages. Does anyone know what size I should get. I=E2=99m thinking this http://www.amazon.com/Premium-BCW-Cardboard-Holders-Pre-1979/dp/B0088YVI5G/refpd_sim_21_18?ieUTF8&dpID51joJtdb%= which is for silver dollars. ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 00:54:56 -0600 To: Ramblings Subject: Powerball From: Steve Rittenberg Us locals in Alabama herd that y'all living in the 21st century will be having a Poweball drawing Saturday worth mebbe a billyon dollars. Could someone buy us please $20 dollars of tickets and we will pay you back ASAP. Ifour ticket wins, we will gift $10,00 'each year for two years to the kind soul who bought us the tickets. Picture of tickets requires prior to the drawing. Thank you from one of those states that believes lotteries are evil. Steve (Bible Belt) Rittenberg Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:26:39 -0500 To: obcmac@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What cards would you offer a generous trade From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The cards do exist because a few of us have completed the set. That said, the 1971 OPC semi-highs are tougher than their book price would indicate. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 8, 2016 6:46 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What cards would you offer a generous trade for? Before spending stupid money for some mid-high series 71 OPC commons, I'd though I'd ask the group if anybody would like to pull them from their sets in progress...happy to drastically overpay. Nice T206 hof'er? T3? CrackerJack? Tough OPC? Really...just let me know if you have these three: 1971 OPC 535 Flood 543 Yankees 560 Staub Also...I'd love to hear about other cards like this in the group. What would you over pay (or over trade) for? Someone needs to have it though to make it interesting. What do you guys need? ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:04:27 -0800 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins From: Rick That's what I use I just go to my local coin shop and buy packs from them. Pretty cheap and they should have pages also Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2016, at 10:01 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > I=E2=99m looking for some 2x2 coin holders for my 1971 Topps Coins so that I can put them in plastic pages. Does anyone know what size I should get. I=E2=99m thinking this http://www.amazon.com/Premium-BCW-Cardboard-Holders-Pre-1979/dp/B0088YVI5G/refpd_sim_21_18?ieUTF8&dpID51joJtd= which is for silver dollars. > Thoughts? > Bob ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 08:10:31 -0800 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What cards would you offer a generous trade for? From: Rick Haven't been willing to over pay for but would be willing to over trade forthe three 68 OPC posters I need. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 8, 2016, at 3:46 PM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Before spending stupid money for some mid-high series 71 OPC commons, I'dthough I'd ask the group if anybody would like to pull them from their sets in progress...happy to drastically overpay. Nice T206 hof'er? T3? Cracker Jack? Tough OPC? Really...just let me know if you have these three: 1971 OPC 535 Flood 543 Yankees 560 Staub > Also...I'd love to hear about other cards like this in the group. What would you over pay (or over trade) for? Someone needs to have it though to make it interesting. What do you guys need? > Mac ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:47:21 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: What would you overpay for? From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- If you have one card on your list that you would overpay for, what is it? It would be hard to overpay for something like a T205 Hoblitzell No Stats, unless you are Bill Gates. I'm thinking more along the lines of a card that you have been hunting for a long time and just can't find, oralways get out bid. Who knows, if you respond to this, somebody may have Anyway, mine would be a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back. I havewell over half of the Sovereign back T205s, but some just never seem to show up...Mr. Jones is one of them, and he sits at the top of my list. Maybe I should search under The Monkees. What card would make you pull out your wallet when the wife wasn't looking? Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 16:56:26 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Any Springfield, MA OBCers? From: Geno Wagner We used to have a cool website that mapped everybody...what ever happened with Anyway, anybody live by Springfield, MA? I'm a bit of a book store junkie and my wife got mea book on bookstores for Christmas. Authors write a few pages about their favorite book stores. I want to see how many of them Odyssey Books in South Hadley, MA. I figured I would see if somebody wants to pick me up from the hotel someday for cards, books, dinner, and a beer! Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 10:01:18 -0800 To: yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Unfortunately, that goes with the territory for player and HOM'er collections. I recently passed on a couple of minor league sets, because I am having a hard time justifying shelling out $100 to get a $1 common. I am glad they have come up as it has really given me pause on tightening up my player collections. Erik Greenwood On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 9:25 AM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Mine is easy...except it's 6 cards. > Any of the 1927-28 York Type2 caramel cards I need. > Especially these three that seem to be invisible: > Paul Waner > Waite Hoyt > Clarence Mitchell > I need three others, easier ones, but let's bring this trio home first :-) > I will overpay in stoooopid fashion, and over trade with lack of seemed > intelligence. > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *yahoogroups > *Sent: *January 9, 2016 at 8:47 AM > *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? > Fellas -- > If you have one card on your list that you would overpay for, what is it? > It would be hard to overpay for something like a T205 Hoblitzell No Stats, > unless you are Bill Gates. I'm thinking more along the lines of a card > that you have been hunting for a long time and just can't find, or always > get out bid. Who knows, if you respond to this, somebody may have one!! > Anyway, mine would be a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back. I have > well over half of the Sovereign back T205s, but some just never seem to > show up...Mr. Jones is one of them, and he sits at the top of my list. > Maybe I should search under The Monkees. > What card would make you pull out your wallet when the wife wasn't looking? > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Sat, 09 Jan 2016 13:38:24 -0500 To: yahoogroups Subject: Any Austin OBCers? From: illini_grad_90 ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 15:33:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Lets try this again... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.co Sent: 1/9/2016 3:31:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Coin holders for 1971 Topps Coins This is a guy I bought from on Ebay a while back. The 2 x 2 dollar coin _http://www.ebay.com/sch/wolves_stamps/m.html?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEFSXS%3AMES (http://www.ebay.com/sch/wolves_stamps/m.html?ssPageNameSTRK:MEFSXS:MESOI&_trksidp2053788.m1543.l2654) The sheets for these are around. I had to have a guy I get sheets from order them for me. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/9/2016 11:04:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: That's what I use I just go to my local coin shop and buy packs from them. Pretty cheap and they should have pages also Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2016, at 10:01 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' _obcbobd@gmail.com_ (mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I=E2=99m looking for some 2x2 coin holders for my 1971 Topps Coins so that can put them in plastic pages. Does anyone know what size I should get. I=E2=99m thinking this _http://www.amazon.com/Premium-BCW-Cardboard-Holders-Pre-1979/dp/B0088YVI5G/refpd_sim_21_18?ieUTF8&dpID51joJtdb%2BvL&dpSrcsims&preST_ (http://www.amazon.com/Premium-BCW-Cardboard-Holders-Pre-1979/dp/B0088YVI5G/refpd_sim_21_18?ieUTF8& PS9BX5) which is for silver dollars. ================= To: JAY TYSVER Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 17:15:35 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: Yaz This is correct. The Hall of Fame is a separate entity and is governed by their own rules. (To be clear, the rule I was referring to was to make players banned from MLB, ineligible to be inducted in the Hall of Fame). The rule was enacted strictly to keep Pete Rose out, (though it also takes in Jackson and several other players that have had the misfortune to be banned from MLB). The fact that there were plenty of Hall of Fame players that were involved in gambling controversies, (Cobb, Speaker, others), is not mentioned as the Hall wants to invoke a squeaky clean reputation. You won't hear them comment on the steroids Mantle was injected with or the racist tendencies of Cobb, Anson, Yawkey and others, either. They'd like to think it is the Hall of Morality, though we all know better. Greg (yaz) On 1/8/2016 10:38 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I don't believe the rules for baseball carries over for HOF voting. > That would have had to be changed to not allow Rose on the ballot. Joe > Jackson was on the ballot for the initial HOF vote and received 2 > votes despite his lifetime ban. > The Hall changed its rules in 1990 stating that any player on the > ineligible list would not be allowed on the ballot. That would have > been Rose's first year on the ballot. > Jay Tysver > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: yazobc@gmail.com; wwesmyster2@aol.com; taylor_schock@hotmail.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; macknife13@prodigy.net > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:41:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Not sure what you mean by a special rule Greg, the rule was an absolute > in 1920. No changes since then. > -----Original Message----- > From: Yaz > To: biggies ; wwesmyster2 ; > taylor_schock > Cc: OBC-Ramblings ; macknife13 > > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:44 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Rose can't get in the HOF because the HOF made up a > special rule just to keep him out. Being banned from baseball did > not make him ineligible until the HOF wrote the rule to keep him > out. Shoeless Joe was even eligible although he was banned. He just > didn't get any, (2), votes from the writers and eventually fell off. > The HOF committee were afraid Rose would get votes so they made up > the rule real fast. > Greg (yaz) > On 1/7/2016 1:02 PM, biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up. > I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years into > cardboard by then. > I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played behind > Johnny Lee > Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he was > banned from the > game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only rule > posted clearly in > every club house in the game. Forget that he has spent > most of his life > lying about it, the only steadfast rule. > Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall because of > his > longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and making the > Seattle > franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and Cobb not > making > everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player that the > press was only > ho hum about and more than half of his career, the second > half, was > extremely mediocre. > No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't vote for > him as there > #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very varied. > Some cast only > 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel compelled > to do so. > With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it is their > responsibility > to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While this years > class was not > as strong as many in the past does Jr' really deserve a > higher grade > than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be unanimous when > Ruth wasn't? > This discussion comes every year but it seems that as > time rolls on it > becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from now when > Harper, Trout > or Greinke are inducted there will be a new generation of > voters and > even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a group > will be outraged > when someone doesn't get every vote. > bb > -----Original Message----- > From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > To: Taylor Schock > Cc: yahoogroups ; > Mike Mackie > > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my house, and > i was 8 in > 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I always > loved griffey and > the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. Yes, > Piazza's > induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just smells > like testosterone > is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if his > induction not > reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how come the > guys that voted > against him dont speak up and say so? For Griffey, they > should all have > to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if they are > against > griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb pissed a lot > of people > off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt have to > expose their > vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, not Syria. > Nobody's > gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to say you > dont like > Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks right now. > The majority > of our young athletes are going to football basketball > etc... Kids > aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or even Rose > for that > matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their opponents > and kept > baseball above the other sports, for extended periods > spanning over a > decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that with > baseball you can > be the greatest at everything, and still never, never, > never, never, > and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit high school > and go sign > up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland Browns. > Baseball has no > long term plans to remain America's sport. And it hurts > me as a father > when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope MLB and > Cooperstown > give America 2 positive things in a row, that way the > positives out > weigh the negatives, and then the media will not have so > much ammo. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock > taylor_schock@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > Totally agree, Mike. > I think much of this has to do with the attitude of the > press these > days that they don't want to just report the news, but > rather they want > to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new development but > just more > prominent) > Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% unanimous > decision. So > should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. You can > debate all day > long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but anyone who > thinks they > did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or was > trying to make a > point, and a point that I do not care about. The voters > need to get off > this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a > unanimous vote than > neither should be Griffey. Or as others have pointed out, > saving their > "Griffey" vote for someone else. > I also don't get the idea that the voters can only vote > for 10 players > (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? Does > anyone seriously > think that if you can vote for as many as you want it > would dilute the > HOF balloting and selection any further than it has? > Saving your > shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of "support > for your > favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" (or > whatever the > reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for him, let > enough ENOUGH > votes to get elected. > (as well) > Regards, > Taylor > http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > on behalf of Mike > Mackie > macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] > > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM > To: yahoogroups > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > You know what? I really don't care about the 3 voters > who didn't vote > for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much press > that has > gotten. In the little bit of coverage I saw on the HOF > results (on > ESPN, the internet and on this thread), I heard a lot > more about the > fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I did about > Griffey or > Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. Our society and > media is so > biased toward BAD news, that even when there is GOOD > news, we focus on > the bad side of it. The one article I saw on Piazza's > election wasn't > was a great catcher he was, but was along the lines of > "does Piazza's > election pave the way for PED users?" Again, a good > story but we can > only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the > media > brainwashed all of us that we can't celebrate positive > news? > Ok - off my soapbox, but needed to get that off my chest. > Mike Mackie > OBC > From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: Bob Donaldson > Cc: Glenn Codere ; > yahoogroups > > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting > Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were voting > for. Lot of > Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) > http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg > Spike > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob > Donaldsonobcbobd@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] > > wrote: Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 6, > 2016, Glenn Codere > glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: > So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys are who > didn't vote for > Griffey? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2016 22:58:32 -0500 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? From: Matthew Glidden A couple of rare #5 types are in this category, even some otherwise ho-hum ones. There's a Demaree die-cut hanging around eBay for $400. Ugly duckling design, but rarely seen and I've almost bought it half-a-dozen times. Could still happen yet. :-) On Saturday, January 9, 2016, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- > If you have one card on your list that you would overpay for, what is it? > It would be hard to overpay for something like a T205 Hoblitzell No Stats, > unless you are Bill Gates. I'm thinking more along the lines of a card > that you have been hunting for a long time and just can't find, or always > get out bid. Who knows, if you respond to this, somebody may have one!! > Anyway, mine would be a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back. I have > well over half of the Sovereign back T205s, but some just never seem to > show up...Mr. Jones is one of them, and he sits at the top of my list. > Maybe I should search under The Monkees. > What card would make you pull out your wallet when the wife wasn't looking? > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 00:55:15 -0500 To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? From: Joshua Levine Shockingly there are very few cards I would overpay for...although I would have to say if I had the money, I would overpay for an example of the Roberts Mascot Dog Food (which I still do not think exists). -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2016 8:47 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? Fellas -- If you have one card on your list that you would overpay for, what is it? It would be hard to overpay for something like a T205 Hoblitzell No Stats, unless you are Bill Gates. I'm thinking more along the lines of a card that you have been hunting for a long time and just can't find, or always get out bid. Who knows, if you respond to this, somebody may have one!! Anyway, mine would be a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back. I have wellover half of the Sovereign back T205s, but some just never seem t o show up...Mr. Jones is one of them, and he sits at the top of my list. Maybe I should search under The Monkees. What card would make you pull out your wallet when the wife wasn't looking? Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:07:10 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? From: Ken M I think the question is "What WOULDN'T I overpay for?" A lot of the cards on my list have been there a long time. Only a few have been there because they're expensive, even in low grade (t205 Joss, Jackie Robinson RC, Alworth RC) Those are the only ones I wouldn't overpay for - they're already expensive enough without me throwing extra money at them. Most have been there a while (10-15 years+ I'm guessing) because they're obscure variations that no one cares enough about to list (since hardly any of them carry a premium, so why bother?) The 1950 Bowman, the Red Man and Kellogg's variations are good examples of this. I recently found one of the last four 1950 Bowman (no copyright) cards I needed on eBay. I jumped at the BIN price of $12 plus shipping, even though it was probably more than double what I paid for almost every other card in the series - I'm getting sick of looking for them. BTW, the last three I need are 204, 205 and 211 - not that I have them memorized or anythi ng.  Some of the cards on my list have been there so long that I've sorta priced myself out of the market for them. The t205's I used to find at shows all the time for $5 can't be had for even $15 each now. I have a hard time justifying paying more for the t205 Addie Joss ($800) than Ty Cobb ($300, which I bought twice at that price - one in my set and the other for a friend). So I guess when I finally do break down and buy a t205 on my list, I will be 'overpaying', even though it might be fair market value for the card. OK, enough rambling... for now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Sat, Jan 9, 2016 11:47 AMTo: yahoogroups;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] What would you overpay for? Fellas -- If you have one card on your list that you would overpay for, what is it?  It would be hard to overpay for something like a T205 Hoblitzell No Stats, unless you are Bill Gates.  I'm thinking more along the lines of a card that you have been hunting for a long time and just can't find, or always get out bid.  Who knows, if you respond to this, somebody may have one!! Anyway, mine would be a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back.  I have well over half of the Sovereign back T205s, but some just never seem t o show up...Mr. Jones is one of them, and he sits at the top of my list.  Maybe I should search under The Monkees. What card would make you pull out your wallet when the wife wasn't looking? Take Care,Geno ================= To: yazobc@gmail.com, JTysver1@msn.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:17:19 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting From: biggies@aol.com Did not know that. I thought the HOF was owned and governed by MLB. Tx=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Yaz yazobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D To: JAY TYSVER =0D Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com =0D Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2016 6:15 pm=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D This is correct. The Hall of Fame is a separate entity and is =0D governed by their own rules. (To be clear, the rule I was referring =0D to was to make players banned from MLB, ineligible to be inducted in =0D the Hall of Fame). The rule was enacted strictly to keep Pete Rose =0D out, (though it also takes in Jackson and several other players that =0D have had the misfortune to be banned from MLB). The fact that there =0D were plenty of Hall of Fame players that were involved in gambling =0D controversies, (Cobb, Speaker, others), is not mentioned as the Hall =0D wants to invoke a squeaky clean reputation. You won't hear them =0D comment on the steroids Mantle was injected with or the racist =0D tendencies of Cobb, Anson, Yawkey and others, either. They'd like to =0D think it is the Hall of Morality, though we all know better.=0D Greg (yaz)=0D On 1/8/2016 10:38 AM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:=0D I don't believe the rules for baseball =0D carries over for HOF voting. That would have had to be =0D changed to not allow Rose on the ballot. Joe Jackson was =0D on the ballot for the initial HOF vote and received 2 =0D votes despite his lifetime ban.=0D The Hall changed its rules in 1990 stating that any =0D player on the ineligible list would not be allowed on the =0D ballot. That would have been Rose's first year on the =0D Jay Tysver=0D To: yazobc@gmail.com; =0D wwesmyster2@aol.com; taylor_schock@hotmail.com=0D CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; =0D From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com=0D Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 10:41:08 -0500=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting=0D Not sure what you mean by a special rule Greg, the =0D rule was an absolute=0D in 1920. No changes since then. =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Yaz <yazmon1918@gmail.com> =0D To: biggies <biggies@aol.com>; wwesmyster2 =0D taylor_schock <taylor_schock@hotmail.com> =0D Cc: OBC-Ramblings =0D <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; macknife13=0D <macknife13@prodigy.net> =0D Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:44 pm =0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting =0D Rose can't get in the HOF because the HOF made up =0D special rule just to keep him out. Being banned =0D from baseball did=0D not make him ineligible until the HOF wrote the =0D rule to keep him=0D out. Shoeless Joe was even eligible although he =0D was banned. He just=0D didn't get any, (2), votes from the writers and =0D eventually fell off.=0D The HOF committee were afraid Rose would get =0D votes so they made up=0D the rule real fast.=0D Greg (yaz)=0D On 1/7/2016 1:02 PM, biggies@aol.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:=0D Well, you started it Wes so I can't shut up. =0D I am a lifelong Reds fan, 1969 for me, 5 years =0D cardboard by then.=0D I love Rose, he's my 2nd all time favorite played =0D Johnny Lee=0D Bench but he doesn't belong in the HOF because he =0D banned from the=0D game. He broke the only steadfast rule. The only =0D posted clearly in=0D every club house in the game. Forget that he has =0D most of his life=0D lying about it, the only steadfast rule. =0D Jr. was a great player and belongs in the Hall =0D because of=0D longevity, batting stats, fielding prowess and =0D making the=0D franchise viable, but when you speak of Ruth and =0D Cobb not=0D everyone happy Jr. was an unpassionate player =0D that the=0D press was only=0D ho hum about and more than half of his career, =0D the second=0D half, was=0D extremely mediocre.=0D No one voted "against" him, 3 guys simply didn't =0D vote for=0D him as there=0D #1 vote as I understand it. The writers are very =0D Some cast only=0D 1 vote, some don't vote at all unless they feel =0D to do so.=0D With regard to the "old-guard" who feel that it =0D is their=0D to protect the "un-unanimous", I get it. While =0D this years=0D class was not=0D as strong as many in the past does Jr' really =0D deserve a=0D higher grade=0D than Johnson, Gehrig, Young? Should he be =0D unanimous when=0D Ruth wasn't?=0D This discussion comes every year but it seems =0D that as=0D time rolls on it=0D becomes narrowed by time lost. 15-25 years from =0D now when=0D Harper, Trout=0D or Greinke are inducted there will be a new =0D generation of=0D voters and=0D even more will forget what Willie Mays did and a =0D will be outraged=0D when someone doesn't get every vote. =0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com =0D To: Taylor Schock =0D Cc: yahoogroups =0D Mike Mackie=0D <macknife13@prodigy.net> =0D Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 1:28 pm =0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting =0D I'm biased. Griffey grew up 30 minutes from my =0D house, and=0D i was 8 in=0D 1989. Already a collector for about 3 years. I =0D loved griffey and=0D the reds. Anyhow, i agree about the stupid media. =0D induction is a foot in the door for PEDS. Just =0D like testosterone=0D is all, but oh well. As far as Griffey goes, if =0D induction not=0D reaching 100% is such a "no big deal" then how =0D come the=0D guys that voted=0D against him dont speak up and say so? For =0D Griffey, they=0D should all have=0D to stand in a column, and take 1 step forward if =0D they are=0D griffey being in the hall. BTW ruth and Cobb =0D pissed a lot=0D of people=0D off, even in those days. Oh, and "they shouldnt =0D have to=0D expose their=0D vote" is a bunch of malarkey. Its Cooperstown, =0D not Syria.=0D gonna kill you. But you should have the guts to =0D say you=0D dont like=0D Griffey. Its another reason why baseball sucks =0D right now.=0D The majority=0D of our young athletes are going to football =0D etc... Kids=0D aren't stupid. They see guys like Griffey, or =0D even Rose=0D for that=0D matter, who both undoubtedly dominated their =0D and kept=0D baseball above the other sports, for extended =0D spanning over a=0D decade each. (70's and 90's)... Kids see that =0D baseball you can=0D be the greatest at everything, and still never, =0D never, never,=0D and...... Never be good enough. So, they quit =0D high school=0D and go sign=0D up in the NBA, or try out for the Cleveland =0D Baseball has no=0D long term plans to remain America's sport. And it =0D me as a father=0D when i try to show that to my kids. So lets hope =0D MLB and=0D give America 2 positive things in a row, that way =0D positives out=0D weigh the negatives, and then the media will not =0D have so=0D much ammo.=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 7, 2016, at 12:30 PM, Taylor Schock=0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D Totally agree, Mike.=0D I think much of this has to do with the attitude =0D of the=0D press these=0D days that they don't want to just report the =0D news, but=0D rather they want=0D to BE the news. (yes, this is NOT a new =0D development but=0D just more=0D Griffey should have been a non-brainer, 100% =0D decision. So=0D should Mays, Ruth, Gehrig, and a host of others. =0D You can=0D debate all day=0D long if Griffey was better than Mays, etc, but =0D anyone who=0D thinks they=0D did NOT deserve their vote is either an idiot or =0D trying to make a=0D point, and a point that I do not care about. The =0D need to get off=0D this idea that since Joe Slobotnick (sp) wasn't a =0D unanimous vote than=0D neither should be Griffey. Or as others have =0D pointed out,=0D saving their=0D "Griffey" vote for someone else. =0D I also don't get the idea that the voters can =0D only vote=0D for 10 players=0D (if memory serves). Why not make a limit at all? =0D anyone seriously=0D think that if you can vote for as many as you =0D want it=0D would dilute the=0D HOF balloting and selection any further than it =0D Saving your=0D shoe-in votes for someone else just as a show of =0D for your=0D favorite player, even though he's not HOF worthy" =0D whatever the=0D reason) doesn't mean that others will vote for =0D him, let=0D enough ENOUGH=0D votes to get elected.=0D </soapbox> (as well)=0D http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html=0D From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com =0D <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> on behalf =0D of Mike=0D macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:17 AM =0D To: yahoogroups=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting =0D You know what? I really don't care about the 3=0D who didn't vote=0D for Griffey. But I'm really bothered by how much that has=0D gotten. In the little bitofcoverage I saw on =0D the HOF=0D results (on=0D ESPN, the internetand on this thread),I heard a =0D more about the=0D fact that 3 guys didn't vote for Griffey than I =0D did about=0D Griffey or=0D Piazza's career, accomplishments, etc. =0D Oursociety and=0D media is so=0D biasedtoward BAD news, that even when there =0D news, we focus on=0D the bad side of it. Theone article I sawon election wasn't=0D was a great catcher he was, but was along the =0D lines of=0D "does Piazza's=0D election pave the way for PEDusers?" Again, a =0D story but we can=0D only focus on the negative side. Seriously? Has the=0D brainwashed all ofus that we can'tcelebrate Ok - off my soapbox,but needed to get that off=0D my chest.=0D Mike Mackie=0D From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com=0D To: Bob Donaldson <obcbobd@gmail.com> =0D Cc: Glenn Codere <glenncodere@yahoo.com>;=0D <obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> =0D Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 7:45 AM =0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HoF voting =0D Maybe they wanted to be really sure who they were =0D for. Lot of=0D Griffeys wore that Seattle uniform! :-) =0D http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Images/Collections/6922/217/217-9758519266344Fr.jpg On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 9:13 PM, Bob=0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D wrote:Moe, Larry and Curly?On Wednesday, January 2016, Glenn Codere=0D glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> =0D So, does anyone have a handle on who the 3 guys =0D are who=0D didn't vote for=0D Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music =0D Glenn's Sports Collection WantList =0D ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 08:55:52 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: What would you overpay for? From: LAWRENCE TIPTON T206 Shag Shaughnessy One of three cards I need to complete the T206 set of 518 I don=E2=99t know why this card is so expensive. According to my =E2=9Cformula=E2=9D I should pay $50-$75 for this card in off grade, but it looks like it=E2=99s going to cost me around $300. Three times more expensive than the other Southern League cards? Virginia League a bit tougher? After a shortcareer Shag was President of the International League and =E2=9Cinvented the current 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 playoff system? I think maybe because it=E2=99s a cool card (check it out) with a cool haircut, and a cool name! ================= To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:54:57 -0800 Subject: Re: What would you overpay for? From: "George Vrechek" Good topic. The SCD Catalog lists 1953-4 Marshall Merrell prints at $12.50. I've had 6 of them on my wantlist for 35 years. I would probably pay even $13.50 each. They never show up at shows, shops or on eBay EXCEPT unmarked reprints which are usually also autographed and listed for something like $150. They were reprinted about 15 years ago by guys with the collectors club in Milwaukee. Unfortunately you have to be careful to not wind up with the reprints. It isn't all that bad to always have something on your George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 07:58:34 -0800 Subject: Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates From: "George Vrechek" Let me know if anyone else has more than 35,000 cards and wants to be added to the page on our website. John Scott Gray will be joining the Charles Bray Level with over 35,000 single vintage sports cards. Anyone else? Anyone now over 50,000? George Vrechek ================= To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vrechek@ameritech.net Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:39:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates From: biggies@aol.com I have 4 complete Topps sets from 1970 to date, should be about 110000 =0D cards I think. But not sure if that should count as these will go to my =0D kids when I am cardboard myself. My own cards past that are about 35000 =0D on the nose.=0D So 145,000 or 35000?=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] =0D To: OBC-Ramblings ; George Vrechek =0D Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:31 am=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level =0D I am not certain how to go about counting them all.=0D Seems like I have a lot of them, not as many now that Hurricane Irene =0D floated out most of my UV (those boxes had some vintage but they aren't =0D coming back)=0D I cannot even organize the cards well, which might help me determine =0D this number. I'd only be guesstimating. I have plenty of boxes with =0D cards in them, but I don't collect enough sets, so while am doing well =0D on the baseball Topps vintage run and a few other sets, I think 20K is =0D approximately my range.=0D If that's my number, I don't think I will *ever* get to the 35k elite =0D level. Any consideration for creating a Junior Collector level with tin =0D badges? <grin>=0D OBC Forever=0D Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App=0D ------ Original Message ------=0D From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]=0D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com=0D Sent: January 10, 2016 at 7:58 AM=0D Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level =0D Updates =0D Let me know if anyone else has more than 35,000 cards and wants to be =0D added to the page on our website. John Scott Gray will be joining the =0D Charles Bray Level with over 35,000 single vintage sports cards. Anyone =0D else? Anyone now over 50,000?George Vrechek=0D ================= To: macknife13@prodigy.net, familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:03:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates From: biggies@aol.com Vintage only I am way less, probably 25000 with all cards.=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: Mike Mackie =0D To: biggies ; familytoad ; =0D OBC-Ramblings ; vrechek =0D Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:54 am=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level =0D Some time back we had a thread counting vintage (up to 1980) baseball =0D cards. On that front I'm between 22-23 thousand. I don't have a ton =0D of vintage cards from other sports - easily enough to push be over 25 =0D thousand, probably not quite to 30 thousand and certainly not to 35. =0D Interesting thread.=0D Mike Mackie=0D From: "biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" =0D To: familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; =0D Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:39 AM=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition =0D Level Updates=0D I have 4 complete Topps sets from 1970 to =0D date, should be about 110000 cards I think. But not sure if that should =0D count as these will go to my kids when I am cardboard myself. My own =0D cards past that are about 35000 on the nose.So 145,000 or =0D 35000?bb-----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com>To: =0D OBC-Ramblings <OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>; George Vrechek =0D <vrechek@ameritech.net>Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:31 amSubject: =0D Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates =0D I am not certain how to go about counting them all.Seems like I have a lot of them, not as many now that Hurricane Irene floated out most of =0D my UV (those boxes had some vintage but they aren't coming back)I =0D cannot even organize the cards well, which might help me determine this =0D number. I'd only be guesstimating. I have plenty of boxes with cards in =0D them, but I don't collect enough sets, so while am doing well on the =0D baseball Topps vintage run and a few other sets, I think 20K is =0D approximately my range.If that's my number, I don't think I will *ever* =0D get to the 35k elite level. Any consideration for creating a Junior =0D Collector level with tin badges? <grin>OBC ForeverBrianSent from =0D XFINITY Connect Mobile App------ Original Message ------From: 'George =0D Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]To: =0D OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSent: January 10, 2016 at 7:58 AMSubject: =0D [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates Let me know if anyone else has more than 35,000 cards and wants to be added =0D to the page on our website. John Scott Gray will be joining the Charles =0D Bray Level with over 35,000 single vintage sports cards. Anyone else? =0D Anyone now over 50,000?George Vrechek=0D ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:06:45 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level From: JAY TYSVER Wow its hard to get there.Short about 2600 cards. Trying to figure out the easiest way to get them is the hard part. I'm thinking the 1970s discs, O-Pee-Chee Baseball and perhaps Hockey and Perhaps the TCMA cards of the 1970smight Does anyone know how many different Disc sets from the 1970s there are and perhaps how many discs total there might be? Jay Tysver To: macknife13@prodigy.net; familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:03:25 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates Vintage only I am way less, probably 25000 with all cards. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mackie To: biggies ; familytoad ; OBC-Ramblings ; vrechek Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:54 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Some time back we had a thread counting vintage (up to 1980) baseball cards. On that front I'm between 22-23 thousand. I don't have a ton of vintage cards from other sports - easily enough to push be over 25 thousand, probably not quite to 30 thousand and certainly not to 35. Interesting thread. Mike Mackie From: "biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates I have 4 complete Topps sets from 1970 to date, should be about 110000 cards I think. But not sure if that should count as these will go to my kids when I am cardboard myself. My own cards past that are about 35000 on the nose.So 145,000 or 35000?bb-----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; George Vrechek Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:31 amSubject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates I am not certain how to go about counting them all.Seems like I have a lot of them, not as many now that Hurricane Irene floated out most of my UV (those boxes had some vintage but they aren't coming back)I cannot even organize the cards well, which might help me determine this number. I'd only be guesstimating. I have plenty of boxes with cards in them, but I don't collect enough sets, so while am doing well on the baseball Topps vintage run and a few other sets, I think 20K is approximately my range.If that's my number, I don't think I will *ever* get to the 35k elite level. Any consideration for creating a Junior Collector level with tin badges? OBC ForeverBrianSent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App------ Original Message ------From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSent: January 10, 2016 at 7:58 AMSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates Let me know if anyone else has more than 35,000 cards and wants to be added to the page on our website. John Scott Gray will be joining the Charles Bray Level with over 35,000 single vintage sports cards. Anyone else? Anyone now over 50,000?George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:13:20 -0600 To: JAY TYSVER , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: 10 Jan 2016 10:41:09 -0800 To: Subject: Hall of Mediocrity? From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: , Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 10:53:06 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity? From: "Grant Rainsley" The entry for the HOM is listed in =E2=9COBC Specials=E2=9D on the main page=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6 www.oldbaseball.com Grant (Pseudo Commish) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:41 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity? 1. Where is the Hall of Mediocrity on the oldbaseball.com website? I can't find 2. How does one go about officially nominating someone for it? I am thinking about Gary Gaetti. 3. Any suggestions for those who haven't picked someone? Is this even a thing any more? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 11:34:25 -0800 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity? From: Geordie Calvert Unfortunately, Gaetti is ineligible for HOM consideration. He made his debut in 1981 and wasn't featured on a card until 1983. HOMers must have eitherplayed or had a card issued prior to 1980. > On Jan 10, 2016, at 10:41 AM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > 1. Where is the Hall of Mediocrity on the oldbaseball.com website? I can't find it. > 2. How does one go about officially nominating someone for it? I am thinking about Gary Gaetti. > 3. Any suggestions for those who haven't picked someone? Is this even a thing any more? > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 13:47:43 -0600 To: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity? From: Aaron Shirley Yeah, I just noticed that. Although on a "minor" technicality, he did have one vintage card: a 1980 TCMA card. (Minor, get it?) I will keep considering... Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2016, at 1:34 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Unfortunately, Gaetti is ineligible for HOM consideration. He made his debut in 1981 and wasn't featured on a card until 1983. HOMers must have either played or had a card issued prior to 1980. >> On Jan 10, 2016, at 10:41 AM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> 1. Where is the Hall of Mediocrity on the oldbaseball.com website? I can't find it. >> 2. How does one go about officially nominating someone for it? I am thinking about Gary Gaetti. >> 3. Any suggestions for those who haven't picked someone? Is this even a thing any more? >> Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:41:25 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates From: Stamper I'm up to 32,000 vintage including variations. I'll have to add TCMA to push me over 35K. Now if we added vintage dupes and UV it's well over 2,000,000. But that's not what we are counting so 35K for now. John Stamper On Jan 10, 2016, at 10:13 AM, "Mark Zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Mark Talbot has a list of many if not all 70s discs on one of his Web pages > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device > -------- Original message -------- > From: "JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 1/10/2016 12:06 PM (GMT-06:00) > To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates > Wow its hard to get there. > Short about 2600 cards. Trying to figure out the easiest way to get them is the hard part. > I'm thinking the 1970s discs, O-Pee-Chee Baseball and perhaps Hockey and Perhaps the TCMA cards of the 1970s might help. > Does anyone know how many different Disc sets from the 1970s there are and perhaps how many discs total there might be? > Jay Tysver > To: macknife13@prodigy.net; familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 12:03:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates > Vintage only I am way less, probably 25000 with all cards. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Mackie > To: biggies ; familytoad ; > OBC-Ramblings ; vrechek > > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:54 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level > Updates > Some time back we had a thread counting vintage (up to 1980) baseball > cards. On that front I'm between 22-23 thousand. I don't have a ton > of vintage cards from other sports - easily enough to push be over 25 > thousand, probably not quite to 30 thousand and certainly not to 35. > Interesting thread. > Mike Mackie > From: "biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > vrechek@ameritech.net > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:39 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition > Level Updates > I have 4 complete Topps sets from 1970 to > date, should be about 110000 cards I think. But not sure if that should > count as these will go to my kids when I am cardboard myself. My own > cards past that are about 35000 on the nose.So 145,000 or > 35000?bb-----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net > [OBC-Ramblings] To: > OBC-Ramblings ; George Vrechek > Sent: Sun, Jan 10, 2016 11:31 amSubject: > Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates > I am not certain how to go about counting them all.Seems like I have a > lot of them, not as many now that Hurricane Irene floated out most of > my UV (those boxes had some vintage but they aren't coming back)I > cannot even organize the cards well, which might help me determine this > number. I'd only be guesstimating. I have plenty of boxes with cards in > them, but I don't collect enough sets, so while am doing well on the > baseball Topps vintage run and a few other sets, I think 20K is > approximately my range.If that's my number, I don't think I will *ever* > get to the 35k elite level. Any consideration for creating a Junior > Collector level with tin badges? OBC ForeverBrianSent from > XFINITY Connect Mobile App------ Original Message ------From: 'George > Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]To: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSent: January 10, 2016 at 7:58 AMSubject: > [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates Let > me know if anyone else has more than 35,000 cards and wants to be added > to the page on our website. John Scott Gray will be joining the Charles > Bray Level with over 35,000 single vintage sports cards. Anyone else? > Anyone now over 50,000?George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 16:00:45 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I'm at around 42-43,000. 2500 in Basketball, 3500 in Hockey, around 10K in football, and 25K Baseball. That's pretty much the sets. I have a bunch of other stickers/posters/coins and pins... Sam Taylor ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:19:46 -0500 To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any Springfield, MA OBCers? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com If in Springfield, MA, I hope you will have time to check out the Basketball Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Geno Wagner ; yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Jan 9, 2016 12:01 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any Springfield, MA OBCers? Not sure why my note got truncated there...it should say: "I want to see how many of them I can get to. The first one is Odyssey Books..." From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: yahoogroups Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2016 11:56 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Any Springfield, MA OBCers? We used to have a cool website that mapped everybody...what ever happened with Anyway, anybody live by Springfield, MA? I'm a bit of a book store junkie and my wife got mea book on bookstores for Christmas. Authors write a few pages about their favorite book stores. I want to see how many of them Odyssey Books in South Hadley, MA. I figured I would see if somebody wants topick me up from the hotel someday for cards, books, dinner, and a beer! Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 18:33:47 -0500 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group From: mikesportsfan@aol.com There are reprints of the 1938 Churchman Boxing sets. They are on much brighter white stock, thinner and most telling, actually state they are reprints. My experience with the English issued cards has been that prices are still all over the board. Not many guidebooks for the non big 4 sports. I think you got a tremendous deal. Anything under $75 to me is a steal on this set. 50 cards with joe louis, Schmelling, Braddock, etc. Anyone working on the set, let me know as I have some dupes and I do have an extra complete set to swap. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 12:18 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group Not to be a possible wet blanket, but are these the cards in your set? http://nslists.com/38boxi.htm Some have been reprinted (as in the above), both legitimately (by the original publisher/issuer) and some AS reprints. I'm not sure there is a way to tell or not, other than possibly by the paper stock (meaning, "NO" from an ebay purchase point of view). Mike might know, but you also might want to widen your question to another knowledgeable area as well.http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604 I'm sure a new thread there will get you a quick and insightful One reason why I personally avoid the English cig cards is that I know justenough to be dangerous. Though I can relate to getting caught up in a liveauction, and as oft quoted, "been there, done that". From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:49 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group From this side of the pond, my impression is that a great many of these older sets have been latterly reproduced - not faked, but legitimately reprinted within the past 20 years or so. I'm not sure what (if any) markings there would be to indicate a repro set. Mike Rich might be the man to answer. If they're real (and they probably are), nice pick up, Gersh!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Profile: NormCash - Rate Your Music Rate Your Music is an online community of people who love music. Catalog, rate, tag, and review your music. List and review the concerts you've attended, and track ... Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:14 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group Did a very quick eBay search and found an EX set (some better/some worseaccording to the description) for $99 BIN. So, you may have gotten yourself a decent deal on them if they're in similar shape. (I did see other displayed and slabbed sets for a few hundred up to 1200). As far as determining authenticity, I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like a set (or have any significant rarities) that anyone would put the effort into faking - maybe reprinting... or I could be totally wrong about that :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:32 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group I recently acquired a complete 1938 Churchman Boxing Tobacco card set at anestate for $35. All 50 cards are in very nice condition. I know nothing about thisgenre but figured some of you guys (Talbot) did. It seemed like a good deal in the heat of the moment, if you've ever bid at a live auction. However my questions are: How do I determine if theyare genuine & if they are, was this in fact a good deal? ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 19:22:49 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group From: Anthony I have two sets of them. Back when I was doing the set one Ebay seller was buying them up and reposting them which kept things wrapped up and he cornered the market just after I finished it. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 10, 2016, at 6:33 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > There are reprints of the 1938 Churchman Boxing sets. They are on much brighter white stock, thinner and most telling, actually state they are reprints. My experience with the English issued cards has been that prices arestill all over the board. Not many guidebooks for the non big 4 sports. I think you got a tremendous deal. Anything under $75 to me is a steal on this set. 50 cards with joe louis, Schmelling, Braddock, etc. Anyone working on the set, let me know as I have some dupes and I do have an extra complete set to swap. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 12:18 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group > Not to be a possible wet blanket, but are these the cards in your set? http://nslists.com/38boxi.htm > Some have been reprinted (as in the above), both legitimately (by the original publisher/issuer) and some AS reprints. I'm not sure there is a way to tell or not, other than possibly by the paper stock (meaning, "NO" from an ebay purchase point of view). Mike might know, but you also might want towiden your question to another knowledgeable area as well. http://www.network54.com/Forum/526604 I'm sure a new thread there will get you a quick andinsightful > One reason why I personally avoid the English cig cards is that I know just enough to be dangerous. Though I can relate to getting caught up in a live auction, and as oft quoted, "been there, done that". > Regards, > Taylor > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 11:49 AM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group > From this side of the pond, my impression is that a great many of these older sets have been latterly reproduced - not faked, but legitimately reprinted within the past 20 years or so. I'm not sure what (if any) markings there would be to indicate a repro set. Mike Rich might be the man to answer. > If they're real (and they probably are), nice pick up, Gersh!! > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Profile: NormCash - Rate Your Music > rateyourmusic.com > Rate Your Music is an online community of people who love music. Catalog,rate, tag, and review your music. List and review the concerts you've attended, and track ... > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: "Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2016 4:14 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group > Gersh, > Did a very quick eBay search and found an EX set (some better/some worse according to the description) for $99 BIN. So, you may have gotten yourself a decent deal on them if they're in similar shape. (I did see other displayed and slabbed sets for a few hundred up to 1200). As far as determining authenticity, I'm no expert, but it doesn't seem like a set (or have any significant rarities) that anyone would put the effort into faking - maybe reprinting... or I could be totally wrong about that :-) > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Thu, Jan 7, 2016 10:32 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Question for the group > I recently acquired a complete 1938 Churchman Boxing Tobacco card set at an estate auction > for $35. All 50 cards are in very nice condition. I know nothing about this genre but figured some > of you guys (Talbot) did. It seemed like a good deal in the heat of the moment, if you've ever > bid at a live auction. However my questions are: How do I determine if they are genuine & if they > are, was this in fact a good deal? > Gersh ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:33:01 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Rambling New Year From: Ken M Pull up a comfy chair if you want to read to the end...   A few thoughts on some of the subjects that have crossed my newsfeed these last few weeks... I counted up my collection to see if I had moved up on the recognition levels. I added up my holdings in the four major sports including subsets, stamps, coins, etc. I ended up around 38k. This didn't include variations like red/black backs, bios, white/gray stock, yellow letters, white letters, green tints, one*/two**, etc. This would've put me near the gazillion mark, so I didn't bother to add them up. Maybe some day I'll add those in for fun to see how many total cards I have compared to the 38k.  The Hall of Fame voting ticks me off every year. This year it wasn't the perennial controversy of who should get in and who shouldn't. It was the three people who left Griffey off the ballot. This shouldn't have even been a story. Who really cares if someone is elected unanimously? Was Tom Seaver the greatest to play the game up until this year because he held the record? They should just make the totals a secret and announce who made it and who got dropped from the ballot for next year. Does anyone know if an actor was ever unanimously chosen to win an Oscar? No. And frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. They just tell you who won and the actors thank the Academy (and everybody they've known since childhood). The three writers who snubbed Griffey to protect the sanctity of "nobody gets elected unanimously" should have their voting privileges revoked or have all future ballots sent to them printed in Braille, because they obviously couldn't see Junior was a no-brainer for the Hall...  or just don't release the totals.  This Powerball jackpot is out of control. I'm a compulsive gambler. I haven't made a bet in over 5 years, but it's getting very tempting to throw some money to the four winds and see what happens. Then I realize, what would happen if I won? Do you know how much gambling I could do with a billion dollars? Probably about two billion doll ars worth. I would surely end up dead, so I'll keep taking it one day at a time.  The football playoffs are upon us. Usually there's one, maybe two upsets on the first week. This year all four road teams negated the division winner's regular seasons. Next week could see a couple teams fall that worked hard to secure the first round bye. I just hope my Patriots aren't one of them.  From the 'you need to know this' dept. My mini-collection of gathering players with different initials made me stumble upon this tidbit while looking to see if Zip Zabel had any cards. He only pitched three seasons in the majors. In 1915, he came into a game with two outs in the first inning and pitched the final 18-1/3 innings for a win in what is still the longest relief appearance in baseball history. Now you know.  I've been scouring eBay a lot lately looking for variations on my list. Two sets I'm getting really close on are the 1950 Bowman and 1971 Kellogg's sets. Why is it that the one co py of a card I need (out of the 30 that come up in a search) is always the PSA 9? Does the description say anything about it being near impossibly tough to find or even acknowledge that it is indeed a variation? Nope. It's the same as every other one out there, except "this one is super duper mint and has a population of three!" Gimme a break.  I'm gonna start looking at places to stay for The Nationals in Atlantic City... I'm thinking along the lines of getting a room in nearby Absecon or Brigantine for the week and avoiding casinos. I think the last time the show was there, I got half the week comped, but it ended up costing me more in the long run anyway. If anyone else is going, it's not too early to start making plans. If you're thinking about going, it's going to be the most fun you've had in a long time, so start making plans to join us! Hopefully, I'll have an update on this in a week or two. Well, that's all for now. Thanks for reading. Type At You Later, Ken M   Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:20:10 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Rambling New Year From: richard dingman Yes, we should start thinking of the National. If anyone will have a room with cheap floor space for a sleeper, I would welcome an invite. I hope to be there all week, and hope not to lose my money in the casinos. Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:33:01 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rambling New Year Pull up a comfy chair if you want to read to the end... A few thoughts on some of the subjects that have crossed my newsfeed these last few weeks... I counted up my collection to see if I had moved up on the recognition levels. I added up my holdings in the four major sports including subsets, stamps, coins, etc. I ended up around 38k. This didn't include variations like red/black backs, bios, white/gray stock, yellow letters, white letters, green tints, one*/two**, etc. This would've put me near the gazillion mark, so I didn't bother to add them up. Maybe some day I'll add those in for fun to see how many total cards I have compared to the 38k. The Hall of Fame voting ticks me off every year. This year it wasn't the perennial controversy of who should get in and who shouldn't. It was the three people who left Griffey off the ballot. This shouldn't have even been a story. Who reallycares if someone is elected unanimously? Was Tom Seaver the greatest to play the game up until this year because he held the record? They should justmake the totals a secret and announce who made it and who got dropped fromthe ballot for next year. Does anyone know if an actor was ever unanimously chosen to win an Oscar? No. And frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn. They just tell you who won and the actors thank the Academy (and everybody they've known since childhood). The three writers who snubbed Griffey to protect the sanctity of "nobody gets elected unanimously" should have their voting privileges revoked or have all future ballots sent to them printed in Braille, because they obviously couldn't see Junior was a no-brainer for the ;or just don't release the totals. This Powerball jackpot is out of control. I'm a compulsive gambler. I haven't made a bet in over 5 years, but it's getting very tempting to throw some money to the four winds and see what happens. Then I realize, what would happen if I won? Do you know how much gambling I could do with a billion dollars? Probably about two billion dollars worth. I would surely end up dead, so I'll keep taking it one day at a time. The football playoffs are upon us. Usually there's one, maybe two upsets on the first week. This year all four road teams negated the division winner's regular seasons. Next week could see a couple teams fall that worked hard to secure the first round bye. I just hope my Patriots aren't one ofthem. From the 'you need to know this' dept. My mini-colle ction of gathering players with different initials made me stumble upon this tidbit while looking to see if Zip Zabel had any cards. He only pitched three seasons in the majors. In 1915, he came into a game with two outs in the first inning and pitched the final 18-1/3 innings for a win in what is still the longest relief appearance in baseball history. Now you know. I've been scouring eBay a lot lately looking for variations on my list. Two sets I'm getting really close on are the 1950 Bowman and 1971 Kellogg's sets.Why is it that the one copy of a card I need (out of the 30 that come up in a search) is always the PSA 9? Does the description say anything about itbeing near impossibly tough to find or even acknowledge that it is indeed a variation? Nope. It's the same as every other one out there, except "thisone is super duper mint and has a population of three!" Gimme a break. I'm gonna start looking at places to stay for The Nationals in Atlantic City... I'm thinking along the lines of getting a room in nearby Absecon or Brigantine for the week and avoiding casinos. I think the last time the show was there, I got half the week comped, but it ended up costing me more in thelong run anyway. If anyone else is going, it's not too early to start making plans. If you're thinking about going, it's going to be the most fun you've had in a long time, so start making plans to join us! Hopefully, I'll have an update on this in a week or two. Well, that's all for now. Thanks for reading. Type At You Later, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:24:18 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: National From: OBC Nick P It was a national or two ago where somebody was talking about ways to save on lodging....one of my pet peeve expenses for the show. Somebody suggested finding a rental house and having a whole bunch of people share in one cost spread among eight, ten, twenty people or whatever. Is this an option for AC? Does anybody know jersey? Would it make sense? Is it doable? Nick Pelletier ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 00:52:00 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] National From: richard dingman Steve brought it up a couple years ago, tho I suppose someone may well havethought of it earlier. I like the idea! But I have no connections to the area... Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:24:18 -0600 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National It was a national or two ago where somebody was talking about ways tosave on lodging....one of my pet peeve expenses for the show. Somebody suggested finding a rental house and having a whole bunch of people share in one cost spread among eight, ten, twenty people or whatever. Is this an option for AC? Does anybody know jersey? Would it make sense? Is it doable? Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 07:01:22 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National From: Ken M I took a quick peek at some of the weekly rentals in the area. The cheaper ones that sleep 10 or more average around $250/night. The two places I looked at a little more were near the beach and had internet, bbq, parking (but I couldn't tell how many spots - probably not ten though) laundry, the whole nine yards...   A couple things to consider (besides the parking, since we'd likely all be coming in our own cars): how many days would we need the place? A few of us get there days before the show starts and a couple don't leave until a day after the final bell. Should we get a place for the show days only and find other places ourselves? Kinda defeats the purpose, but otherwise we'd have two guys renting a six bedroom place for a couple nights. Unless we can get at least six people to commit for each night we're there, it might be cheaper to find our own digs.  I'm assuming that even the places that sleep more than 10 take into account people doubling up in one bed. I may b e friendly, but even my wife doesn't want to sleep in the same bed as me any more... Well, she hates me, but I digress. One of the places I looked at slept 12 and had 6 bedrooms (although two were the basement and patio I think).   I would also imagine you'd have to put a sizeable deposit on the place, if not pay for your stay in advance. I don't have the funding to reserve the place or even a credit card right now for that matter. I'd be happy to reimburse someone, but that might not be until right before the show.  I just thought of a parking solution assuming the casinos don't charge for it. We'd have to drop our cars in one of their lots and carpool, which is probably better anyway - at least to and from the show. I forget if we had to pay to park at the AC Convention Center or not.  I wonder if we could get MTV to sponsor the whole trip for everybody on their next episodes of Real World: OBC Atlantic City? OBC Jersey Shore? Ugh. Ken M - PS. It's time we fire up the National email server. If you're not already on it and would like updates on our National plans and activities. LMK and I'll get you signed up. Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 12:52 AMTo: OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:RE: [OBC-Ramblings] National Steve brought it up a couple years ago, tho I suppose someone may well have thought of it earlier. I like the idea! But I have no connections to the area... Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2016 23:24:18 -0600 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National   It was a national or two ago where somebody was talking about ways to save on lodging....one of my pet peeve expenses for the show. Somebody suggested finding a rental house and having a whole bunch of people share in one cost spread among eight, ten, twenty people or whatever. Is this an option for AC? Does anybody know jersey? Would it make sense? Is it doable? Nick Pelletier Posted by: richard dingman > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group New Members 1 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 08:52:07 -0800 Subject: Re: Rambling New Year From: "George Vrechek" Ken M Always enjoy your rambles - from your dumb phone. I figure I have the same chance as anyone else (statistically) of winning the lottery, and I don't even play it. FYI I counted up baseball variations, excluding printing differences, and came up with 2,371 since 1933 to 1980. See attached. Thanks for weighing your cards again. My own challenge has caused me to shoot for 50,000. Like you, I've been trying to collect most variations - but I don't count them in the 50,000 quest. The rules are very strict on that. J ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:58:01 +0000 (UTC) To: "Vrechek, George" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level From: tvalacak@comcast.net I think I'm in with around 37k. Most of it coming from baseball. 28.5k. Football is just a shade under 8k. and Hockey and basketball combine for about1k. Couldn't believe it when I started adding up the numbers. Wow! Back in1982, when I was 10 years old, if you would have told me I would have a vintage collection of over 35k cards, I would have laughed. A lot of OBC helphere. Thanks guys! ----- Original Message ----- From: "'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 9:58:34 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Last Call for Collectors Recognition Level Updates Let me know if anyone else has more than 35,000 cards and wants to be addedto the page on our website. John Scott Gray will be joining the Charles Bray Level with over 35,000 single vintage sports cards. Anyone else? Anyone now over 50,000? George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 15:27:01 -0500 To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My HOMer nomination! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I have been in OBC for nearly two years and never decided on an HOMer untiltoday...and it's not even a Cleveland Indian! My nomination goes to VIRGIL TRUCKS! A little back ground on perhaps why he should be considered: Career highlights and awards 2=C3=97 All-Star (1949, 1954) 2=C3=97 World Series champion (1945, 1960) MLB strikeout leader (1949) Trucks missed two seasons due to military service in World War II and was discharged from the Navy less than two weeks before his start in the second game of the 1945 World Series. Because of the circumstances, the leagues waived the rule requiring players to have been on the team's roster by September 1 to qualify for post-season play. He defeated the Cubs in that game. The only other pitcher to win a post-season game without winning a regular season game is Chris Carpenter of the 2012 St. Louis Cardinals. In 1952, despite a 5=E2=9319 record, Trucks became just the third majorleague pitcher to hurl two no-hitters in one season (two others have sincematched the feat). Trucks was the uncle of Butch Trucks, a founding member of the Allman Brothers He also lived to be 95 years old! In addition, I plan on adding a Virgil Trucks player want list shortly and right now I don't think I own a single card! This can't be too hard to complete right? :) Thank you! Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:20:22 -0500 Subject: Nice Ebay Experience From: "Bob Donaldson" A few weeks ago I noticed a "buy it now" of $195 for a low grade complete set (63) of 1963 Salada Coins. The coins pictured looked pretty good, including the Mantle. I sent a message asking the seller on the condition of the backs, especially the Mantle. He responded the backs were clean and Mantle was one of the nicer ones. I figured for about three bucks a coin, this was too good a deal to pass. The next day I logged into ebay, but found the auction had ended, but was relisted. For $97.50! I hit "buy it now". Received the coins (all in paper holders and sheets) and they look pretty nice maybe 4-5 a scuffed and I might upgrade, but the key coins (Mantle, Mays etc.) were all nice. Good things can happen on ebay! ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 16:34:07 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nice Ebay Experience From: Jimi Thayer Awesome stuff, Bob! Congrats! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 11, 2016, at 4:20 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > A few weeks ago I noticed a =E2=9Cbuy it now=E2=9D of $195 for a low grade complete set (63) of 1963 Salada Coins. The coins pictured looked pretty good, including the Mantle. I sent a message asking the seller on the condition of the backs, especially the Mantle. He responded the backs were clean and Mantle was one of the nicer ones. I figured for about three bucks a coin, this was too good a deal to pass. The next day I logged intoebay, but found the auction had ended, but was relisted. For $97.50! I hit =E2=9Cbuy it now=E2=9D. Received the coins (all in paper holders and sheets) and they look pretty nice maybe 4-5 a scuffed and I might upgrade, but the key coins (Mantle, Mays etc.) were all nice. > Good things can happen on ebay! ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 17:58:09 -0600 Subject: Collectors recognition level thoughts From: Aaron Shirley All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reach any kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have anyhope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK a complete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely available orwidely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? Topps Base 16778 O-Pee-Chee 6910 Topps Other 4844 TCMA 3275 Venez. Topps 2040 Bowman 1884 SSPC 1080 Hostess 1020 Fleer 960 Goudey 911 Post 800 Milton Bradley 702 Bazooka 689 Kelloggs 675 T206 525 Play Ball 473 Cracker Jack 320 Leaf 242 T205 208 ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:26:41 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts From: Aaron Shirley Sorry, I kinda sent that before it was done... my wife said dinner was ready! Anyway, I wondered what would be the most straight-forward way of reaching 35,000 vintage baseball cards? What are the most readily available and sizable sets? How would YOU get to 35K with only baseball? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reach any kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have any hope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK acomplete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely available or widely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? > Topps Base 16778 > O-Pee-Chee 6910 > Topps Other 4844 > TCMA 3275 > Venez. Topps 2040 > Bowman 1884 > SSPC 1080 > Hostess 1020 > Fleer 960 > Goudey 911 > Post 800 > Milton Bradley 702 > Bazooka 689 > Kelloggs 675 > T206 525 > Play Ball 473 > Cracker Jack 320 > Leaf 242 > T205 208 > Aaron ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:31:52 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts From: Jimi Thayer I would do it by having a lot of money! ;) Sent from my iPad > On Jan 11, 2016, at 7:26 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sorry, I kinda sent that before it was done... my wife said dinner was ready! > Anyway, I wondered what would be the most straight-forward way of reaching 35,000 vintage baseball cards? What are the most readily available and sizable sets? How would YOU get to 35K with only baseball? > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reachany kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have any hope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK a complete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely availableor widely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? >> Topps Base 16778 >> O-Pee-Chee 6910 >> Topps Other 4844 >> TCMA 3275 >> Venez. Topps 2040 >> Bowman 1884 >> SSPC 1080 >> Hostess 1020 >> Fleer 960 >> Goudey 911 >> Post 800 >> Milton Bradley 702 >> Bazooka 689 >> Kelloggs 675 >> T206 525 >> Play Ball 473 >> Cracker Jack 320 >> Leaf 242 >> T205 208 >> Aaron ================= To: "'George Vrechek'" , , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 19:46:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] From: "Matt Yudt" Finally! An argument NOT to do the variations! Thanks George. Although I still love me some greenies. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 11:52 AM To: brightair@msn.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from George Vrechek included below] Ken M Always enjoy your rambles - from your dumb phone. I figure I have the same chance as anyone else (statistically) of winning the lottery, and I don't even play it. FYI I counted up baseball variations, excluding printing differences, and came up with 2,371 since 1933 to 1980. See attached. Thanks for weighing your cards again. My own challenge has caused me to shoot for 50,000. Like you, I've been trying to collect most variations - but I don't count them in the 50,000 quest. The rules are very strict on that. :-) ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 20:09:19 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts From: "Matt Yudt" Well, since George is away, he may not be checking or have the document handy, but attached is his article exactly on this topic. He sent it to me a few months ago when I was inquiring on this and pushing my totals too. It's also posted in our library page as well. A great read, even for the 3rd or 4th time. I just hit 21000 in my collection. All baseball. Also includes coins. And I don't have any yet, at least part of the tally, but the discs I will add too. Mike Rich sent me a cup full of Coke caps a while ago too - and I still haven't added that as a set/list either, but can that count? I knew someday I will add the other sports, at least football and basketball (those tall boys are really cool). And there is something about those really old vintage hockey cards that I could see adding too. I may start sooner than I thought. I have a box somewhere in my closet that has old football - probably all 78-80, and I have a stack of 69-72 football that my wife got for me at a yard sale a few years ago. I may need some coaxing, but I feel it coming.. Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:27 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts Sorry, I kinda sent that before it was done... my wife said dinner was Anyway, I wondered what would be the most straight-forward way of reaching 35,000 vintage baseball cards? What are the most readily available and sizable sets? How would YOU get to 35K with only baseball? Sent from my iPhone On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reach any kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have any hope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK a complete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely available or widely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? Topps Base 16778 O-Pee-Chee 6910 Topps Other 4844 TCMA 3275 Venez. Topps 2040 Bowman 1884 SSPC 1080 Hostess 1020 Fleer 960 Goudey 911 Post 800 Milton Bradley 702 Bazooka 689 Kelloggs 675 T206 525 Play Ball 473 Cracker Jack 320 Leaf 242 T205 208 ================= Date: 11 Jan 2016 18:14:36 -0800 To: Subject: Stickers identified From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 18:18:32 -0800 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nice Ebay Experience From: Rick That was a great buy congrats. Welcome to the oddball side! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 11, 2016, at 1:20 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > A few weeks ago I noticed a =E2=9Cbuy it now=E2=9D of $195 for a low grade complete set (63) of 1963 Salada Coins. The coins pictured looked pretty good, including the Mantle. I sent a message asking the seller on the condition of the backs, especially the Mantle. He responded the backs were clean and Mantle was one of the nicer ones. I figured for about three bucks a coin, this was too good a deal to pass. The next day I logged intoebay, but found the auction had ended, but was relisted. For $97.50! I hit =E2=9Cbuy it now=E2=9D. Received the coins (all in paper holders and sheets) and they look pretty nice maybe 4-5 a scuffed and I might upgrade, but the key coins (Mantle, Mays etc.) were all nice. > Good things can happen on ebay! ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:34:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: What would you overpay for? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Very cool hair and he probably could have given Walt Williams some of that Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/10/2016 8:55:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: T206 Shag Shaughnessy One of three cards I need to complete the T206 set of 518 I don=E2=99t know this card is so expensive. According to my =E2=9Cformula=E2=9D I should pay $50-$75 for this card in off grade, but it looks like it=E2=99s going to cost me $300. Three times more expensive than the other Southern League cards? Virginia League a bit tougher? After a short career Shag was President of the International League and =E2=9Cinvented the current 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3 playoff I think maybe because it=E2=99s a cool card (check it out) with a cool haircut, and a cool name! ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:41:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I think it needs an update..someone stole my boy Bud Harrelson's plack. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/10/2016 1:53:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: The entry for the HOM is listed in =E2=9COBC Specials=E2=9D on the main _www.oldbaseball.com_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/) Grant (Pseudo Commish) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2016 10:41 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity? 1. Where is the Hall of Mediocrity on the oldbaseball.com website? I can't find it. 2. How does one go about officially nominating someone for it? I am thinking about Gary Gaetti. 3. Any suggestions for those who haven't picked someone? Is this even a thing any more? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:46:00 -0500 To: yudts5@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts [1 Attachment] From: Joel Freedman if you post it, they will come. On Jan 11, 2016, at 8:09 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > [Attachment(s) from Matt Yudt included below] > Well, since George is away, he may not be checking or have the document handy, but attached is his article exactly on this topic. He sent it to me a few months ago when I was inquiring on this and pushing my totals too. It=92s also posted in our library page as well. A great read, even for the 3rd or 4th time=85 > I just hit 21000 in my collection. All baseball. Also includes coins. And I don=92t have any yet, at least part of the tally, but the discs I will add too. Mike Rich sent me a cup full of Coke caps a while ago too - andI still haven=92t added that as a set/list either, but can that count? > I knew someday I will add the other sports, at least football and basketball (those tall boys are really cool). And there is something about those really old vintage hockey cards that I could see adding too. I may start sooner than I thought. I have a box somewhere in my closet that has old football - probably all 78-80, and I have a stack of 69-72 football that my wife got for me at a yard sale a few years ago. I may need some coaxing, butI feel it coming=85. > Cheers > Matt Yudt > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Monday, January 11, 2016 7:27 PM > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts > Sorry, I kinda sent that before it was done... my wife said dinner was ready! > Anyway, I wondered what would be the most straight-forward way of reaching 35,000 vintage baseball cards? What are the most readily available and sizable sets? How would YOU get to 35K with only baseball? > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2016, at 5:58 PM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reachany kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have any hope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK a complete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely availableor widely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? >> Topps Base 16778 >> O-Pee-Chee 6910 >> Topps Other 4844 >> TCMA 3275 >> Venez. Topps 2040 >> Bowman 1884 >> SSPC 1080 >> Hostess 1020 >> Fleer 960 >> Goudey 911 >> Post 800 >> Milton Bradley 702 >> Bazooka 689 >> Kelloggs 675 >> T206 525 >> Play Ball 473 >> Cracker Jack 320 >> Leaf 242 >> T205 208 >> Aaron ================= To: , Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2016 21:34:41 -0800 Subject: Re: Collectors recognition level thoughts From: "George Vrechek" Yes, Aaron, as Matt pointed out, how to get to a greater level of vintage singles was the subject of a 4-part SCD article that is consolidated on our library page at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/What_to_collect_next.pdf Based on the numbers of the OBCers who have gotten to that level, I compute that a "normal" 35,000-card collection might include 23,000 baseball, 8,000 football, 2,000 basketball, and 2,000 hockey and other sports. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 07:54:46 -0800 Subject: a sign of the times, I guess - OBC-grade reprints, maybe From: "George Vrechek" Here is a sad example of what you can run into. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Yogi-Berra-1952-Bowman-1-Creased-Stains-Poor-Fair-Co The seller has a pretty good idea that these are distressed reprints, but the photos don't look too bad. So you can buy some (wink, wink) and maybe you can pawn them off as the real thing (wink, wink) or maybe they even are the real thing.but don't count on it. "I'm not a professional grader, but." is a listing phrase that should raise a red flag itself. I'm not a professional buyer, but you can't assume anything these days, I guess. George Vrechek ================= Date: 12 Jan 2016 08:12:57 -0800 To: Subject: Saw this and thought of the T-218 collectors out there.... From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= Date: 12 Jan 2016 10:47:52 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Collectors recognition level thoughts From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 12 Jan 2016 13:33:39 -0800 To: Subject: RIP Monte Irvin From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:15:28 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history From: chris tripler who knows this without looking it up on their smart phone? (I did not know this...) ...and to spice things up...first one to know will have their pick of one of my last four slabbed '48 Bowmans... Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= Date: 12 Jan 2016 20:27:24 -0800 To: Subject: e-mail change From: kenpillion@windstream.net ================= To: "'chris tripler'" , Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:14:49 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... From: "Bob Donaldson" What about Will Ferrell :) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 6:45 AM To: Glenn Codere ; yahoogroups Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... Hi Everyone, Glenn is absolutely right, Shane Halter, should be listed in all books as one of only three players to have played all "10" positions in baseball. In four different years (2001 [once], 2002 [twice], 2003 & 2004 [3x]). You can see where a player is listed by position and games started on baseball Shane Halter Statistics and History | Baseball-Reference.com Shane HalterStatistics and History | Baseball-Reference... Career: 45 HR, .246 BA, 197 RBI, SS/3B/2B, Tigers/Royals/... 1997-2004, b:R/t:R, born in Unite. 1969 View on www.baseball-referen... Preview by Yahoo and even find individual game stats for how he did, for example going 0 of 5 in his only 2001 DH stint. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/gl.cgi?idhaltesh01 To be fair, I double checked Scott Sheldon, who had been listed as a DH butnever played an inning of a game when listed as such... Lastly, there's been a great article by Austin Laymance over at MLB.com from last year about playing all 9 positions in a single game, which only 4 players have ever done. Prime 9: Few have played everywhere on diamond Prime 9: Few have played everywhere on diamond Bert Campaneris, the first Major Leaguer to play every position on the field in a single game, could be a part of history again today. Campaneris is expected to be ... View on m.mlb.com Preview by Yahoo As a professor who teaches statistics, I'm going to pull the trigger and officially join The Society for American Baseball Research (SABR)... And so, Glenn may lay claim to one of the last 3 '48 Bowman's. McCahan, Rigney, or Johnson? Drop me a line. By the way, Nice catch, sir. Nice catch. On Wednesday, January 13, 2016 5:30 AM, "Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: I'm afraid there's a third, guys.....and being a Tigers fan it was the first name that I thought of - Shane Halter.He played all 9 positions in a gamein 2000. I had to double check to make sure he'd DHed at some point and hehad. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate YourMusic Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: JAY TYSVER >; yahoogroups > Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2016 4:28 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... That was fast... Jay was correct. They both played all 9 positions plus had a go at DH. Campaneris for the A' & Tovar for the Twins...nicely done, Jay ok, here's what Jay won, and what you could have won: #313 Bill McCahan (Phil. A's) PSA 1; #32 Bill Rigney (NY Giants) PSA 1; #33Bill Johnson (NY Yankees) PSA 1; and #37 Clint Hartung (NY Giants) PSA 2 Jay, drop me a line as to which one you want sent... If these are fun, I picked up a book today at a thrift shop, The EverythingKids' Baseball Book, for $0.33. Lots of good stuff. They did have a bag of 1981 Fleer for $20 - no stars (not sure who is giving them pricing advice on cards, but it's not me). OBC 2015 On Tuesday, January 12, 2016 11:20 PM, JAY TYSVER > wrote: Going to go with Bert Campaneris and Cesar Tovar. I know both played 9 positions but they each may have played DH at some point late in their careers. Jay Tysver To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 04:15:28 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players inbaseball history have ever played all 10 positions... who knows this without looking it up on their smart phone? (I did not know this...) and to spice things up...first one to know will have their pick of one of my last four slabbed '48 Bowmans... Chris Tripler OBC 2015 ================= Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 13:45:36 +0000 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Virgil Trucks HOM From: Jimi - Virgil Trucks, what a great HOM choice - in addition to the great reasons listed (did not know the Allman Bros. thing), he was known as being fan friendly, responding to fan mail right up to the end of his life. Also, when I was a kid collector, I liked his 59 card, since the entire back was covered with stat lines - he had been in the majors forever - and his picture looked like he was about 70. Great choice! ================= Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:23:44 -0500 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... From: ShoelessWes I dont know, the only one I know of that comes even close is Rose. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 12, 2016, at 11:15 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > who knows this without looking it up on their smart phone? (I did not know > ... > and to spice things up...first one to know will have their pick of one ofmy last four slabbed '48 Bowmans... > Chris Tripler > OBC 2015 ================= Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 10:41:02 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... From: ShoelessWes Didnt see the other posts, lol. You guys are freaks! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:23 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I dont know, the only one I know of that comes even close is Rose. > Wes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 12, 2016, at 11:15 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> who knows this without looking it up on their smart phone? (I did not know >> ... >> and to spice things up...first one to know will have their pick of one of my last four slabbed '48 Bowmans... >> Chris Tripler >> OBC 2015 ================= To: wwesmyster2@aol.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:06:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in From: biggies@aol.com Im late to this so its probably been answered but just in case, Jose =0D Oquendo and........... Shane Halter? Halter was the 1 game guy and I =0D thought I remembered Oquendo's retirement being about playing everywhere=0D -----Original Message-----=0D From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] =0D To: ShoelessWes =0D Cc: chris tripler ; yahoogroups =0D Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2016 10:41 am=0D Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two =0D players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions...=0D Didnt see the other posts, lol. You guys are freaks!=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:23 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D I dont know, the only one I know of that comes even close is Rose.=0D Sent from my iPhone=0D On Jan 12, 2016, at 11:15 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com =0D [OBC-Ramblings] <OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote:=0D who knows this without looking it up on their smart phone? (I did not =0D know this...)=0D and to spice things up...first one to know will have their pick of one =0D of my last four slabbed '48 Bowmans...=0D Chris Tripler=0D OBC 2015=0D ================= To: "biggies@aol.com" , Wes Shepard Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:56:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players From: Bob Reed There's actually a total of 9 players that have played all 10 positions. Bert CampanerisCesar TovarShane HalterScott SheldonSteve LyonsBill PecotaCookie RojasDon Kelly Jake Elmore Sheldon (2000) and Elmore (2013) are the only two that played all 10 in thesame note: Jose Oquendo was never a Designated Hitter. To: wwesmyster2@aol.com CC: cetripler@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 11:06:00 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... Im late to this so its probably been answered but just in case, Jose Oquendo and........... Shane Halter? Halter was the 1 game guy and I thought I remembered Oquendo's retirement being about playing everywhere -----Original Message----- From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: ShoelessWes Cc: chris tripler ; yahoogroups Sent: Wed, Jan 13, 2016 10:41 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Contest (just for fun): Only two players in baseball history have ever played all 10 positions... Didnt see the other posts, lol. You guys are freaks! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 13, 2016, at 10:23 AM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I dont know, the only one I know of that comes even close is Rose. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2016, at 11:15 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: who knows this without looking it up on their smart phone? (I did not know this...) and to spice things up...first one to know will have their pick of one of my last four slabbed '48 Bowmans... Chris Tripler OBC 2015 ================= Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 12:00:32 -0600 To: "" Subject: Lost The Envelope From: john harrell Will the kind OBCer who sent me three Bowmans please let me know who you are. I've been looking for the envelope the cards came in for over a week but no luck. ================= Date: 13 Jan 2016 16:33:33 -0800 To: Subject: test From: kenpillion@windstream.net ================= To: Ken Morganti , Wantlist Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 21:53:35 -0600 Subject: Ken Morganti's Mini-collection. From: Aaron Shirley Ken and others I found the NZ (Norm Zauchin) and OZ (Oscar Zamora) for your initials mini-collection and will be sending them your way soon. Meanwhile, there are a few specific cards I am going to mention, ahem, loudly enough for the group to hear. These cards seem out-of-the-ordinary enough that there just may bethat freak chance someone may have one. You know how us crazy kooks at OBCare. They represent the lone players for XD (Xavier Dixon), UH (Ubaldo Heredia), QH (Quency Hill), UM (Ulysses McGlyn), UP (Urbane Pickering), XR (Xavier Rescigno) and IY (Irv Young). Some of these guys do also have a UV card or two, but I've left those off, to reflect Ken's preferences. One more thing. Ken didn't ask me to do this. It is entirely unsolicited. Thanks for lookin 1906 WG3 (Fan Craze) Irv Young 1909 T206 Irv Young 1910 M116 (Sporting Life) Irv Young 1911 T201 (Mecca Double Folders) #3 Jimmy Barrett / Ulysses McGlyn 1911 T332 (Helmar Stamps) Irv Young 1947 Signal Oil #13 Xavier Rescigno 1949 Bowman PCL #5 Xavier Rescigno 1966 James T. Elder Postcards #1176 Urbane Pickering 1976 Cramer Seattle Rainiers #4 Xavier Dixon 1976 Oklahoma City 89ers Team Issue #23 Quency Hill 1976-77 Venezuelan Winter League Stickers #85 Ubaldo Heredia 1977 TCMA Lodi Dodgers #6 Ubaldo Heredia 1977-78 Venezuelan Winter League Stickers #56 Ubaldo Heredia 1978 TCMA Knoxville Knox Sox #8 Quency Hill 1978 TCMA Lodi Dodgers #8 Ubaldo Heredia 1980-81 Venezuelan Winter League Stickers #101 Ubaldo Heredia The project page: http://kenmorganti.weebly.com/mini-project.html ================= Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:07:20 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I suggest referring to George's article for some ideas. Personally, I think the Cracker Jacks are so expensive they are not widely collected or available. I am not saying you cannot get them, but they are pricey. I would think the Exhibit cards are a big category that is missing, as well as Kahn's, Jell-O, NuCard and I would add in Milk Duds. I think the guides also donot list all the TCMA sets. If you include minor league issues the Obaks and Zeenuts are on multiple guys lists. Other prewar issues would be the T-201, 202 & 207. You would be surprised at how many of us have actually completed the T-201 set. -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 6:58 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reach any kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have anyhope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK a complete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely available orwidely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? Topps Base 16778 O-Pee-Chee 6910 Topps Other 4844 TCMA 3275 Venez. Topps 2040 Bowman 1884 SSPC 1080 Hostess 1020 Fleer 9 60 Goudey 911 Post 800 Milton Bradley 702 Bazooka 689 Kelloggs 675 T206 525 Play Ball 473 Cracker Jack 320 Leaf 242 T205 208 ================= Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:22:32 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts From: Jimi Thayer Agreed with Mike here. Good referencing, Mike. And although I have not attempted the T201 set, due to the fact that I just don't like the looks of them, I know those who have and it's not particularly difficult to build (atleast in prewar terms). Double Play is not too difficult either and you'd certainly need to add caramel cards to this list. Many of us collect them, and there's a ton! :). Also different Tobacco back combos would probably count if you wanted, too. In addition, I would think that many of the 20s W-strip cards would net youquite a few and since many of those cartoonish looking cards are not too desirable, they often aren't very expensive. Good luck to those building their insanely huge collections! ;) Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:07 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I suggest referring to George's article for some ideas. Personally, I think the Cracker Jacks are so expensive they are not widely collected or available. I am not saying you cannot get them, but they are pricey. I wouldthink the Exhibit cards are a big category that is missing, as well as Kahn's, Jell-O, NuCard and I would add in Milk Duds. I think the guides also do not list all the TCMA sets. If you include minor league issues the Obaks and Zeenuts are on multiple guys lists. Other prewar issues would be theT-201, 202 & 207. You would be surprised at how many of us have actually completed the T-201 set. > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 6:58 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Collectors recognition level thoughts > All this talk of collection levels had me thinking... "In order to reach any kind of level, you'd have to collect other sports besides baseball, wouldn't you?" I just assumed, since I only collect baseball, I'd never have any hope of reaching that total. Well, apparently, that's not the case. I got to leafing through my vintage catalog, using all the set size numbers, and came up with some category subtotals, if you will. This is what I THINK acomplete collection of each brand's cards would be. Check my numbers if you want. And I came up with 19 categories. Are there other widely available or widely collected companies which would constitute a large chunk? > Topps Base 16778 > O-Pee-Chee 6910 > Topps Other 4844 > TCMA 3275 > Venez. Topps 2040 > Bowman 1884 > SSPC 1080 > Hostess 1020 > Fleer 9 60 > Goudey 911 > Post 800 > Milton Bradley 702 > Bazooka 689 > Kelloggs 675 > T206 525 > Play Ball 473 > Cracker Jack 320 > Leaf 242 > T205 208 > Aaron ================= Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:35:29 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Ken Morganti's Mini-collection. From: Ken M As an addendum to Aaron's efforts (he's definitely done more work on my project than I have), I need to add that the card has to fit in the 9-pocket pages I'm assembling them in. It works out to a header card for each letter of the alphabet and 26 spots for each last name that way. (This also satisfies my OCD by coming out evenly.) I'm not sure about the sizes of everything he listed - in fact I don't think I've ever come across a lot of them. But on the off chance that you have one of them and it does't fit in the page, please keep it. I'm not going to be as strict on the UV thing as I originally thought. For example, Dan Quisenberry is the only player with the initials DQ. He has a 1980 RC with two other players and a couple obscure vintage minor league cards - and over 200 UV cards, so I decided on a 19xx D___ss to put in the binder, particularly because I had about twelve of the worthless things. It's an old (almost vintage) card of him on a MLB team and that's good enoug h for me.  Side note: saw the list Aaron posted and immediately saw the Bowman PCL card on it #5. I know someone in the group who has that one in his type card collection (Spike). Who'd've thunk that a second completely different type card collection would need the same one? Go figure, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Aaron ShirleyDate: Thu, Jan 14, 2016 10:53 PMTo: Ken Morganti;Wantlist;OBC Ramblings;Cc: Subject:Ken Morganti's Mini-collection. Ken and others I found the NZ (Norm Zauchin) and OZ (Oscar Zamora) for your initials mini-collection and will be sending them your way soon. Meanwhile, there are a few specific cards I am going to mention, ahem, loudly enough for the group to hear. These cards seem out-of-the-ordinary enough that there just may be that freak chance someone may have one. You know how us crazy kooks at OBC are. They represent the lone players for XD (Xavier Dixon), UH (Ubaldo Heredia), QH (Quency Hill), UM (Ulysses McGlyn), UP (Urbane Pickering), XR (Xavier Rescigno) and IY (Irv Young). Some of these guys do also have a UV card or two, but I've left those off, to reflect Ken's preferences. One more thing. Ken didn't ask me to do this. It is entirely unsolicited. Thanks for lookin 1906 WG3 (Fan Craze) Irv Young 1909 T206 Irv Young 1910 M116 (Sporting Life) Irv Young 1911 T201 (Mecca Double Folders) #3 Jimmy Barrett / Ulysses McGlyn 1911 T332 (Helmar Stamps) Irv Young 1947 Signal Oil #13 Xavier Rescigno 1949 Bowman PCL #5 Xavier Rescigno 1966 James T. Elder Postcards #1176 Urbane Pickering 1976 Cramer Seattle Rainiers #4 Xavier Dixon 1976 Oklahoma City 89ers Team Issue #23 Quency Hill 1976-77 Venezuelan Winter League Stickers #85 Ubaldo Heredia 1977 TCMA Lodi Dodgers #6 Ubaldo Heredia 1977-78 Venezuelan Winter League Stickers #56 Ubaldo Heredia 1978 TCMA Knoxville Knox Sox #8 Quency Hill 1978 TCMA Lodi Dodgers #8 Ubaldo Heredia 1980-81 Venezuelan Winter League Stickers #101 Ubaldo Heredia The project page: http://kenmorganti.weebly.com/mini-project.html ================= Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2016 23:58:16 -0500 To: yahoogroups Subject: Strongsville From: ShoelessWes Special attention Ohio and FOOT members: Anyone know just exactly which Strongsville show in Cleveland is the "vintage only" show? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 00:00:52 -0500 To: ShoelessWes Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville From: Jimi Thayer http://ohiosportscollector.com Here you go, buddy! And for what it's worth, we're (Remember When Sports Cards) hoping to be set up there....and maybe even the National....although the deadline has passed. We shall see. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:58 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Special attention Ohio and FOOT members: > Anyone know just exactly which Strongsville show in Cleveland is the "vintage only" show? Thanks, > Wes > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 20:26:39 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Waiver wire stuff... From: chris tripler Just returned from an estate cleanout company that had a ton of cards set aside in their warehouse. I got to meet the owner, super nice guy, and he let me poke through what he had in cards (boxes of stuff). I was helping him price out stuff, he had a 1982 Topps set w/ Ripken rookie ($30 set, the rookie had a print spot on it); 1987 Donruss set with Bonds ($30, Bonds was very nice); a signed Nolan Ryan ball (priced $75), silver anniversary of '68 Red Sox team bat (w/ Yaz's signature on it; he had it for $199, w/ only 250made w/ COA, I told him to bump it up to $600 and sell at it $300 if he was looking to move it); and so on. He said if I wanted to do that or find buyers for the stuff he would give me first dibs on any cards that camethrough the warehouse (he does cleanouts and consignments); and I would appraise cards for him (gratis). So, I picked up a dealer box from the lot hehad (for $20) and it was just a bunch of misc. and most of it is waiver wire fodder for you guys. I did manage to pull out a handful of '55s and '56s(Red Sox TC, yes!), and a pack perfect '60 Kaline. I will be posting more of the stuff I found int he box, but here's a couple of interesting partialsets on the waiver wire for anyone that wants them...(FCFS, please leave address) *1988 Ballpark Cards, Cape Cod League/Prospects, 27 of 30 cards (missing Bagwell and Thomas) #s 1-13 & 17-30.*1988 CMC, Complete 25 card set - Braves International League w/ Smoltz and David Justice*1986 Procards, Pawtucket Red Sox w/ Calvin Schiraldi & Kevin Romine (26 cards)*1987 Procards, Pawtucket Red Sox w/ Ellis Burks (27 cards)*Year? Rally's Hamburgers, San Diego Padres Baseball Club (4 cards: Riddoch MG, Dennis Rasmussen, Thomas Howard, Tom Take one, take them all...have fun OBC. Cheers,ChrisOBC 2015 ================= Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:48:00 -0500 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, wwesmyster2@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville From: mikesportsfan@aol.com As usual FOOT will likely attend on Saturday, April 16. Unfortunately, they moved the Toronto show up this year to April 8-10. I do NOT expect to attend as the Tigers Home Opener is April 8 and I have obligations already for April 10. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: ShoelessWes Cc: yahoogroups Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 12:00 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville http://ohiosportscollector.com Here you go, buddy! And for what it's worth, we're (Remember When Sports Cards) hoping to be set up there....and maybe even the National....although the deadline has passed. We shall see. Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2016, at 11:58 PM, ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Special attention Ohio and FOOT members: Anyone know just exactly which Strongsville show in Cleveland is the "vintage only" show? Thanks, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 23:59:51 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: why do T-205 Peidmont backs say that there are 400 designs? From: Ed Pike OBC gurus, please enlighten me! Were the manufacturers just trying to make it easier for me to complete this set by producing only about half as many cards as advertised :) And I am assuming that minor leaguers were either only produced locally or tossed more often, which is fine with me because I am going to focus on NL and if I ever finish NL and AL I am done! About 15% of the way there so far. Ed Pike ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 05:27:48 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Rittenberg in Northern VA From: Steve Rittenberg I will be flying up to DC to provide training @ Ft. Belvoir, VA. I should be available for dinner with OBCers (and friends + family) on Monday, January 25 (possibly in MD) + Tuesday, January 26 (probably nearby in Alexandra). If you might be available to get together, let me know. Steve Rittenberg ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 13:57:59 -0500 To: ehpiii@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] why do T-205 Peidmont backs say that there are From: Joshua Levine Ed (and all), Many advanced collectors think that the American Litho company was going toeither produce a second series of t205s but because of the breakup of the tobacco conglomerate and cost, it never happened. Some collectors also feelthat the piedmont set of birds and t-80 military make up the rest of the approx. 400 gold bordered cards. T-205s minor leaguers were released in only two brands of cigarettes and much later in the series...they replaced some of the short prints found in the set. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: Ed Pike ehpiii@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 15, 2016 8:59 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] why do T-205 Peidmont backs say that there are 400designs? OBC gurus, please enlighten me! Were the manufacturers just trying to make it easier for me to complete this set by producing only about half as many cards as advertised :) And I am assuming that minor leaguers were either only produced locally or tossed more often, which is fine with me because I am going to focus on NL and if I ever finish NL and AL I am done! About 15% of the way there so far. Ed Pike ================= Date: 16 Jan 2016 16:02:17 -0800 To: Subject: Today's 10 waiver cards (all 4 sports) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 00:57:43 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: 63 T FB From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 20:12:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: How high would you go... From: ChicoD1@aol.com for OBC style 52 Topps high numbers? Keep in mind, I'm only looking at the Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2016 17:18:51 -0800 To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How high would you go... From: Rick I would say expect to pay at least $75 Sent from my iPad > On Jan 16, 2016, at 5:12 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > for OBC style 52 Topps high numbers? Keep in mind, I'm only looking at the > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 03:55:08 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Wanted: Dragonslayers.... From: chris tripler Here is what remains of two sets 1968 Game (1 card)#7 Frank Robinson 1980 Topps (11 cards)40, 135, 139, 380, 414, 450, 470, 482, 484, 622,655 I would love to put these sets to bed before the end of January. Any help is greatly appreciated. Cheers,Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:10:48 +0000 Subject: Cards that don't exist--yes a discussion of 1976 MSA discs From: Mac Wubben Not too many people interested in the 1976 MSA discs, but the Isaly discs used to list 4 variations (Jackson (balt), May (NY), Messersmith (braves), Thornton (Expos). It looks like the variations don't exist (and have been delisted)...though they are included in other disc sets. Note that the Crane disc set list variations as well, but I have't seen any evidence of theirexistence. Curious to see if any has any of these variations listed below in the Crane backs...as I think they probably should be delisted like the Seven hits to Mike Rich's list...though he might have an Isaly Jackson Baltimore that I'd love to see. (likely not to exist?) 1976 Crane's BB Discs: 22b Jackson (A's) 32a May (White Sox) 36a Messersmith (Dodgers) 62a Thorton (Don't exist and delisted from the big book...what about the Jackson balt?) 1976 Isaly's Discs: 32b May (Yankees) 36b Messersmith (Braves) 62b Thorton (Expos) Anybody with different info on them? ================= Date: 17 Jan 2016 12:26:15 -0800 To: Subject: 1962 Topps checklists 2 & 3 - new (?) variations From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 18:06:06 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, brightair@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I looked at your variation counts, and there are a number of sets I disagree with the number of variations. This is especially true of the prewar issues. Sound are lower (1936 Diamond Stars I thought had 84 variations, not 150), while most had more (1936 Goudey has more than 25 variations, 1940PLayball has different ads on the back, I think the entire set has at least 2 variations, 1941 Playball comes with an without 1940 in the copyright. You list 40 variations, but I think it is the whole set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: brightair ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 11:52 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from George Vrechek included below] Ken M Always enjoy your rambles =E2=93 from your dumb phone. I figure I have the same chance as anyone else (statistically) of winning the lottery, and Idon=E2=99t even play it. FYI I counted up baseball variations, excluding printing differences, and came up with 2,371 since 1933 to 1980. See attached. Thanks for weighing your cards again. My own challenge has caused me to shoot for 50,000. Like you, I=E2=99ve been trying to collect most variations =E2=93 but I don=E2=99t count them in the 50,000 quest. The rules are very strict on that. ================= Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 15:37:30 -0800 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards that don't exist--yes a discussion of 1976 MSA discs From: Stamper I don't have any Crane variations. I do have a Carousel Messersmith Dodgers. John Stamper On Jan 17, 2016, at 10:10 AM, "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Not too many people interested in the 1976 MSA discs, but the Isaly discsused to list 4 variations (Jackson (balt), May (NY), Messersmith (braves),Thornton (Expos). It looks like the variations don't exist (and have beendelisted)...though they are included in other disc sets. Note that the Crane disc set list variations as well, but I have't seen any evidence of their existence. Curious to see if any has any of these variations listed below in the Crane backs...as I think they probably should be delisted like the > Seven hits to Mike Rich's list...though he might have an Isaly Jackson Baltimore that I'd love to see. > (likely not to exist?) > 1976 Crane's BB Discs: 22b Jackson (A's) 32a May (White Sox) 36a Messersmith (Dodgers) 62a Thorton > (Don't exist and delisted from the big book...what about the Jackson balt?) > 1976 Isaly's Discs: 32b May (Yankees) 36b Messersmith (Braves) 62b Thorton > Anybody with different info on them? > Mac ================= To: Stamper Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 01:45:18 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards that don't exist--yes a discussion of 1976 From: Mac Wubben Yeah, the blank back and the Carousels will have both versions of the variations, but I think the Crane and the Isaly only have one version (Isaly used to be listed with both I think, and Cranes still list both in the checklist. From: Stamper Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 6:37 PM To: Mac Wubben Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards that don't exist--yes a discussion of 1976 MSA discs I don't have any Crane variations. I do have a Carousel Messersmith Dodgers. John Stamper On Jan 17, 2016, at 10:10 AM, "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Not too many people interested in the 1976 MSA discs, but the Isaly discs used to list 4 variations (Jackson (balt), May (NY), Messersmith (braves), Thornton (Expos). It looks like the variations don't exist (and have been delisted)...though they are included in other disc sets. Note that the Crane disc set list variations as well, but I have't seen any evidence of theirexistence. Curious to see if any has any of these variations listed below in the Crane backs...as I think they probably should be delisted like the Seven hits to Mike Rich's list...though he might have an Isaly Jackson Baltimore that I'd love to see. (likely not to exist?) 1976 Crane's BB Discs: 22b Jackson (A's) 32a May (White Sox) 36a Messersmith (Dodgers) 62a Thorton (Don't exist and delisted from the big book...what about the Jackson balt?) 1976 Isaly's Discs: 32b May (Yankees) 36b Messersmith (Braves) 62b Thorton (Expos) Anybody with different info on them? ================= Date: 17 Jan 2016 18:50:01 -0800 To: Subject: 1/17 Waiver cards (10 more for your perusal) From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 03:49:36 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: I am a new grandpa! From: mark zentkovich our second grandchild arrived monday Jan 11 at 1111am Jozie Brielle Zentkovich 7 lb 8 oz19.5 inches new member of cardinal nation...football team TBD.. everyone is healthy, and have enjoyed holding a baby again. so far he is such a quiet baby only crying when being changed since it is cold lots to be thankful for here love the spoil em and send em home part of grandparenting...and not being on duty 24-7-365 mark zentkovich ================= Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 23:48:47 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, VCT , Subject: Prewar Hall of Fame trade? From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I have the following prewar cards available with most being HOFers. Looking to get Hall of Fame RCs I need in exchange (post war or prewar) or T206s I can use. 1910 E98 Chance HOF SGC 10 (Orange) 1910 E98 Jennings HOF SGC 10 (Orange) 1910 E98 Lajoie HOF SGC 10 (Green) 1934-36 Batter-Up Arky Vaughn poor (missing top part) 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Hartnett HOF G/VG 1939 Centennial of Baseball Commemorative Poster Stamp Bulkeley HOF (NRMT, but glued nicely to a piece of cardboard) 1939 Play Ball Craft #65 P/F Sent from my iPad ================= To: , Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2016 21:16:07 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] From: "George Vrechek" I think I pulled the numbers from the SCD Catalog rather than my own count.I=E2=99ll take a look at them again. I was only trying to get a sense of how many =E2=9Clisted=E2=9D variations there were relative to card in those sets. From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, January 17, 2016 3:06 PM To: vrechek@ameritech.net; brightair@msn.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] I looked at your variation counts, and there are a number of sets I disagree with the number of variations. This is especially true of the prewar issues. Sound are lower (1936 Diamond Stars I thought had 84 variations, not 150), while most had more (1936 Goudey has more than 25 variations, 1940PLayball has different ads on the back, I think the entire set has at least 2 variations, 1941 Playball comes with an without 1940 in the copyright. You list 40 variations, but I think it is the whole set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: brightair ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2016 11:52 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Rambling New Year [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from George Vrechek included below] Ken M Always enjoy your rambles =E2=93 from your dumb phone. I figure I have the same chance as anyone else (statistically) of winning the lottery, and Idon=E2=99t even play it. FYI I counted up baseball variations, excluding printing differences, and came up with 2,371 since 1933 to 1980. See attached. Thanks for weighing your cards again. My own challenge has caused me to shoot for 50,000. Like you, I=E2=99ve been trying to collect most variations =E2=93 but I don=E2=99t count them in the 50,000 quest. The rules are very strict on that. ================= Date: 18 Jan 2016 03:56:06 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 1962 Topps checklists 2 & 3 - new (?) variations From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 08:01:29 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1973 Topps baseball variation From: LAWRENCE TIPTON There is an interesting thread on Net54 involving Al Kalines 1973 Topps card #280. Card shows a band-aid on Als forehead, and the corrected card has it airbrushed out. http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t216736 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 07:55:34 -0800 Subject: Re: I am a new grandpa! From: "George Vrechek" We are right behind you. Congratulations. We had our first grandchild on 1-12-16 at 1:11 PM. Also 19.5 inches, 8 lbs 13 ozs: Lev Alexander Shoval in San Francisco. George Vrechek ================= Date: 18 Jan 2016 08:47:10 -0800 To: Subject: Re: I am a new grandpa! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 18 Jan 2016 13:07:29 -0800 To: Subject: speaking of cards which don't exist From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:16:34 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1938 Goudey Wide Pens added to want list From: Robert Fitts Hey all I just add the 1936 Wide Pens to the sets I collect. Looking for VG and above.. I have the following to trade: cochrane, ostermueller, mcnair, hemsley, freitas, wes ferrell and here is my wantlist rob fitts 1936 Wide Pens A1 Ethan Allen A2 Earl Averill A3 Dick Bartell A4 Dick Bartell A5 Wally Berger A6 Geo. Blaeholder A7 Cy Blanton A8 Cliff Bolton A11 Bill Brubaker A16 Phil Cavarretta A18 Earle Combs A20 Joe Cronin A21 Frank Crosetti A22 Tony Cuccinello A23 Ki Ki Cuyler A25 Virgil Davis A27 Bill Dickey A28 Jimmy Dykeskneeling A31 Lou Finney A34 Lonnie Frey A35 Frankie Frisch A36 Augie GalanA37 Charley Gehringer A39 Lefty Gomez A40 Goose Goslin A46 Mel Harder A47 Bucky Harris A48 Gabby Hartnett A49 Ray Hayworth A51 Babe Herman A52 Frank Higgins A53 Oral Hildebrand A54 Myril Hoag A55 Waite Hoyt A57 Bob Johnson A58 Buck Jordan A62 Lyn Lary A63 Cookie Lavagetto A64 Fred Lindstrom A64 SamLeslie A66 Ernie Lombardi A67 Al Lopez A70 Pepper MartinA73 Gene Moore A74Randy Moore A76 Edward Moriarty A78 Buddy Myer A81 Marvin Owen A82 Tommy Padden A83 Ray Pepper A84 Tony Piet A87 Bobby Reis A88 Lew Riggs A89 Bill Rogell A90 Red Rolfe A91 Schoolboy Rowe A92 Al Schacht A93 Luke Sewell A94 AlSimmons A95 John Stone A96 Gus Suhr A97 Joe Sullivan A99 Vito Tamulis A100Dan Taylor A103 Bill Urbanski A104 Russ Van Atta A106 Gerald Walker A107 Bucky Walters A108 Lloyd Waner A111 Rabbit Warstler A112 Bill Werber A113 Jo-Jo White A114 Burgess Whitehead A116 Whitlow Wyatt A117 J. Di Maggio/Mc Carthy A118 W. Ferrell/R. Ferrell A119 F. Pytlak/S. O'Neill ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 16:19:10 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] speaking of cards which don't exist From: Jimi Thayer After the 1957 season was over, Bouchee was arrested for exposing himself to young girls. He pled guilty to a series of charges, including indecent exposure. Bouchee was sentenced to three years of probation, spent a few months in a psychiatric institution in Connecticut, and then was allowed to return to the Phillies on July 1, 1958.[3] It is for this reason that the 1958Topps card #145 (which Bouchee was supposed to be on) was not issued. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 18, 2016, at 4:07 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Can anyone tell me *why* 1958 Topps #145 does not exist? Or what the story is on the other vintage Topps sets with holes like that? > Aaron ================= Date: 18 Jan 2016 14:04:59 -0800 To: Subject: 20 card sheets From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: 18 Jan 2016 14:31:34 -0800 To: Subject: Re: speaking of cards which don't exist From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:52:58 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: speaking of cards which don't exist From: Ken M Aaron,  Most of the other missing cards don't have any interesting stories attached to them ala Ed Bouchee. In the early Topps vs. Bowman days, players were signed to individual contracts in order to appear on cards. The missing Topps cards (ie. 1953 and 1955) were the result of Topps not having the rights to the players scheduled to appear on the cards and having to scrap them early in the production process. One famous scarcity resulting from this is the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams. Topps had Ted's contract (he bookended their set), but Bowman released some copies of his card before it was replaced by teammate Jim Piersall. For many years (when I first started collecting), the 'unauthorized' Ted cards were worth more than the entire set.  One story I have not heard however, is with the last series in 1961 and why Warren Spahn's card is #589 and not #587. Any ideas? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 5:31 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: speaking of cards which don't exist ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 18:52:58 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: speaking of cards which don't exist From: Ken M Aaron,  Most of the other missing cards don't have any interesting stories attached to them ala Ed Bouchee. In the early Topps vs. Bowman days, players were signed to individual contracts in order to appear on cards. The missing Topps cards (ie. 1953 and 1955) were the result of Topps not having the rights to the players scheduled to appear on the cards and having to scrap them early in the production process. One famous scarcity resulting from this is the 1954 Bowman Ted Williams. Topps had Ted's contract (he bookended their set), but Bowman released some copies of his card before it was replaced by teammate Jim Piersall. For many years (when I first started collecting), the 'unauthorized' Ted cards were worth more than the entire set.  One story I have not heard however, is with the last series in 1961 and why Warren Spahn's card is #589 and not #587. Any ideas? Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 5:31 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: speaking of cards which don't exist ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:36:42 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps checklists 2 & 3 - new (?) variations From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en For those looking for a Topps variation checklist... here you go. This is based on "listed" variations. I'm going to have to take a look at that #98 Tom, looks like a winner to me. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/17/2016 3:26:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: For you 1962 woodie & variation collectors, I think I've stumbled across something. It may be new news, or new news to me only. Just in case, I present the following: Wes asked me if I had a "master" checklist of all of the 1962 Topps cards, including variations. I didn't, but I decided to check my binder vs. one of the 1962 checklists in the OBC library, and attempt to create a master list from that. Now, those of you who collected the '62 Topps set - and are into the variations - know that each of the checklists has 2 variations - except for#98; I've never seen a variation for that one listed. That's what I thought, too, until I went to my third source: COMC.com I've discovered the following: Checklist 2 (Card #98) DOES have two variations: Variation #1: Card has a thicker drop shadow at the bottom; in addition at the bottom right, the white border extends farther down, past the edge of the black border Variation #2: Thinner drop shadow at the bottom of the card. In addition, the white border at the top left extends past the edge of the black drop shadow; and at the bottom right, the white border at the bottom does not quite meet the white border on the right. Here's a link to a COMC page with several of each: http://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/1962/Topps/98/Checklist_2/1813557/REVIEWE Checklist 3 (#192, in the dreaded "green tint" series) has these known Variation 1: after #192, there is a comma after "Check List" - thus "Check List, 3" Variation 2: after #192, there is no comma - thus "Check List 3" Variation 2 - the No Comma version - has TWO versions: 1) The top left border extends over the black drop shadow; The effect looks like the drop shadow is on top of the white rather than behind it. 2) The top left border does NOT extend over the black drop shadow. Here's a link to a COMC page with several "no comma" versions; there are a few of each on the page: http://www.comc.com/Cards/Baseball/1962/Topps/1922/Check_List_3_(No_Comma_Af For the other checklists, I've checked my dupes & COMC pages and didn't discover any more of those white border/drop shadow issues. Thus, the remaining known variations are: Checklist 1: a) wrong numbering on back b)correct numbering on back Checklist 4: a) check boxes even with top of numbers b)check boxes slightly lower than boxes Checklist 5: a) top left white border has slight notch (does not meet the black; you can see a sliver of wood grain), and the right white border extends past the bottom black; b)full top left white border, and the bottom white & right white borders have a missing piece Checklist 6: a) Small, thinner print on "checklist" & 6th series Topps baseball" b)thicker letters on all of those Checklist 7: a) white check boxes b)yellow check boxes I had, for a long time, thought that #441 had a yellow boxes version, but the only scan I've ever seen of one is clearly a card with poor registration; the yellow is badly shifted, covering the boxes. Just when Idetermined could take that one off, I discover I need to add a couple of the others. If you want to blame someone for this, bla me Wes :-) Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:38:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Scans of 1962 checklist variations From: Tom Housley I didn't scan the backs of the Checklist 1 variations, since those are so obvious, but I'm uploading the scans of checklists 2-7, with the variations side-by-side, along with attached explanations, to the Photos section of the Ramblings page. (and also to the Variations group page as well). ================= Date: 18 Jan 2016 19:21:02 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 Topps checklists 2 & 3 - new (?) variations From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 22:33:19 -0500 To: tvalacak@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 20 card sheets From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The 20 count sheets usually have square pockets and are great for coins (Salada, Armour, 1964 & 1971 Topps, Old London, etc.). The normal T-206 sheets are now the 15 count pages, but I do have a few 18 count pages of 3 rows of 6 across. The T cards fit better in the Ultra Pro 15 count, than the 18count. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 18, 2016 5:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 20 card sheets Hey gang, A few weeks ago, I stopped at a card shop near one of my hospitals suburban locations. The owner there has a real nice looking shop, great guy, but doesn't have boxes of cards to thumb through - which is always my favorite thing to do in the shops. However, it's always good conversation, and I always enjoy the chatter. He had some old movie star tobacco cards in one ofhis cases, displayed in 20 card/sheet. I had not seen these before. They are put out by BCW. Is anyone in our group using these. I would assumet206 and other tobacco cards would fit in these, but wanted to check with the Any feedback is appreciated. ================= To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:05:00 -0800 Subject: Set Collector Recognition Page and answers to FAQ From: "George Vrechek" The Set Collectors Recognition Level page has been updated today to add three new members who have reported having over 35,000 vintage, single sports cards: John Scott Gray, Sam Taylor and TJ Valacak. The page is found by going to our directory home page, clicking on the last OBC Member Feature, and logging in. You probably need to access our website by searching for oldbaseball.com rather than using a favorites tab to get the old page to disappear. It is great to add more names to the page. I am told that there are a few more members who are still counting their cards and are likely to find they have more than 35,000 vintage, single cards as well. Anytime anyone reaches one of the levels described on the Set Collectors Recognition page, let me know and I'll update the listing. The rules committee for Set Collectors Recognition Levels was treated to a lavish, all-expense-paid resort getaway in order to be able to properly deliberate on restating the criteria for counting cards and to answer some of the frequently asked questions (FAQs) important to set collectors. The rules committee report follows. Collectors have asked how to count vintage sports cards in order to attain the levels necessary to be enshrined on the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on the OBC website. . Only single cards are counted, no duplicates count. . Variations and printing differences are not counted. . Only cards are counted. What is a card? Does it have to be cardboard? Does it have to have 90 degree corners? Can it cover a Coke bottle or be flipped like a coin? All of these are very difficult questions and the rules committee has decided that you will know a card when you see . Cards do not have to be properly licensed (SSPC, The Sports Hobbyist, LaPizza Royale Expos, Fuds Photo Expos) as long as the issuers did not serve jail time longer than one year. . The card has to have been issued prior to 1981. Yes, it can cover the 1980-81 hockey season and basketball season, as long as the playoffs for those sports did not drag on for an eternity. . It has to be an athlete in a sport. Activities are not sports. Cards of bird watchers do not count. Cards of chess masters do not count unless they are also riding a bike that is not stationary. However, cards of pool players count as do umpires, referees, team owners, league presidents, team emblems, and mascots. Cards of professional pedestrians count. Pretty girls playing baseball count even if they don't look like they have a clue as to what they are doing. Dogs playing baseball do not count. People sitting in cars do not count unless they are racing against one another and their shirts are covered with ads. APBA baseball cards do not count since they don't have any pictures. . Fictional players do not count: Roy Hobbs, Sid Finch, Steve Nebraska, Willie Mays Hays, and Nuke Laloosh. But Crash Davis and Moonlight Graham count. . The cards can be from any country on Earth. . You don't have to actually count every card. You could stack all your cards, measure them in inches and come up with a cards per inch multiple. You could weigh them and do the same. You could look at how many cards are in each set in price guides and subtract your want list totals. You could make up a number that sounds believable and leave it at that. Keep in mind that any claimed vintage card totals are subject to periodic surprise audits that will involve visiting your den or basement, taking cards out of shoeboxes, removing rubber bands, and counting each card. The counting will be done by a well-paid independent certification company that I am thinking of starting. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2016 21:15:08 -0800 Subject: Re: 1973 Topps baseball variation From: "George Vrechek" Thanks GURU for pointing out the 1973 Kaline band aid. I don't know which one I have from afar, but know I need at least one more now. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 01:26:05 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1973 Topps baseball variation From: Ken M Yeah Guru, thanks. Thanks a lot! :-D As luck would have it, I still have two 1973 sets. So, I had to check them out at one in the morning because these things can't wait - and I sure wasn't going to get any sleep otherwise. I had the bandaid version in one set and the other version in set two... which is going into set #1 now. I'm in the market for a 73 Kaline, either version, any condition to replace the one in my second set. (I don't collect variations for second sets. One round of insanity is enough.) OK, I can go to sleep now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 19, 2016 12:15 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1973 Topps baseball variation Thanks GURU for pointing out the 1973 Kaline band aid. I don’t know which one I have from afar, but know I need at least one more now. George Vrechek ================= Date: 19 Jan 2016 05:04:40 -0800 To: Subject: Cranston show story From: bdangelo@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 13:24:58 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 66 mantle rub off From: Anthony http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mickey-Mantle-Topps-Rub-Off-1966-VG-/191772683708?hashitem2ca68aedbc:g:YKsAAOSwsB9V-gG4 Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC Ramblings , Wantlist Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 12:27:46 -0600 Subject: All these varieties. Seriously? From: Aaron Shirley You have GOT to be kidding me. I'm in the midst of researching and checkingand deciding and adding varieties to my Topps wantlists this month... and there are TWO conversations going on about new varieties? (eye roll.) Oh well. Here are the varieties I've added to my page. I think, in general, when a Topps base set gets under 200 to go, I'll add the varieties. 1966 and 1967 coming in the next few days. 1968 TOPPS VARIETIES: 10 spelled Lonborg on back. 49 Senators in yellow. 66 Senators in yellow. 107 wide mesh. 192 =93to increase the=94 on back. 278 copyright left aligned. 356 head centered in circle. 400 yellow team. 400 white team. 454 small gap between hat and circle. [518 CL (539 is Amer.L.Rookies)]. Missing 11 varieties. 1969 TOPPS VARIETIES: 99 without extra black loop. 151 Dalrymple catching. 582 checklist with card number in pink circle on back. Missing 2 varieties. 1970 TOPPS VARIETIES: 244 red bat. 343 red bat. 432 =93baseball=94 in white letters. 542 dark brown bat. 588 (CL with 666 spelled Adolpho). Missing 5 varieties. TOPPS VARIETIES: 265 dark blob. 265 faded blob. 369 line above ear on helmet. 619 no copyright. 619 black stripe on helmet but not thin black line. Missing 5 varieties. 1972 TOPPS VARIETIES: 18 green under C and S. 29 green under C and S. 45 green under C and S. 251 CL smaller print on front. 478 smaller print on front. 604 copyright left aligned. Missing 6 varieties. 1973 TOPPS VARIETIES: 20 gap in black border. 31 gap in black border. 81 natural backgrounds. 116 natural backgrounds. 136 pale brown backgrounds. 179 Hoscheit and Noren ears NOT cut. 252 pale orange. 257 brown backgrounds. 280 bandaid on forehead. 517 dark backgrounds. Missing 10 varieties. 1974 TOPPS VARIETIES: 125 Wash. 148 Wash. 197 Wash. 226 Wash. 309 Wash. 364Wash. 654 no position. Missing 7 varieties. 1979 TOPPS VARIETIES: 369 with Rangers. Missing 1 variety. 1980 TOPPS VARIETIES: 387 yellow name. 424 Billy Martin Mgr. 547 yellow name. 597 yellow name. Missing 4 varieties. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 01:26:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1973 Topps baseball variation Yeah Guru, thanks. Thanks a lot! :-D As luck would have it, I still have two 1973 sets. So, I had to check them out at one in the morning because these things can't wait - and I sure wasn't going to get any sleep otherwise. Ihad the bandaid version in one set and the other version in set two... which is going into set #1 now. I'm in the market for a 73 Kaline, either version, any condition to replace the one in my second set. (I don't collect variations for second sets. One round of insanity is enough.) OK, I can go tosleep now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart ------ Original message------From: 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Tue, Jan 19, 2016 12:15 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1973 Topps baseball variation Thanks GURU for pointing out the 1973 Kaline band aid. I don=92t know whichone I have from afar, but know I need at least one more now. George Vrechek ================= Date: 19 Jan 2016 10:30:23 -0800 To: Subject: Dealer John Morrison From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 18:33:49 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups , Subject: New non-sports set added: 1889 N226 Naval Vessels of the World From: Jim Thayer Hey guys, Well, no one answered my plea for 1978 Topps this weekend even though I need several hundred (wow!), so I guess I'll try and see if anyone has a bunchof N226s lying around! LOL I picked up the U.S.S. New Ironsides froma friend today and since it's only 25 cards total, I thought I'd try! Thanks! 1889 Kinney Brothers Naval Vessels of the World (N226)24 more to go out of 25 4% complete Admiral Duperre French Navy Amerigo Vespucci Italian Navy Catherine Ii Russian Navy Devastation French Navy Duilio Italian Navy Glatton British Navy H.M.S. Colossus R.N. H.M.S. Dreadnought R.N. H.M.S. Inflexible R.N. H.M.S. Jumna H.M.S. Sultan H.M.S. Temeraire R.N. Italia Italian Navy Richelieu French Navy Sachsen German Navy U.S. Despatch Boat Dolphin U.S. Frigate Chicago U.S. Frigate Tennessee U.S. Monitor Terror U.S.S. Baltimore U.S.S. Texas U.S. Sloop Alert U.S. Sloop Atlanta U.S. Sloop Of War Adams ================= Date: 19 Jan 2016 11:20:12 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer John Morrison From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 14:54:17 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, VCT , Subject: Low grade '75T Yount RC available. From: Jimi Thayer Anyone have any use for a low grade '75T Yount RC? I have a couple. :) Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 15:29:19 -0500 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Collector Recognition Page and answers to FAQ From: Jimi Thayer Hahaha this made my day! :) I really need to get my act in gear and get on a list! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2016, at 12:05 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > The Set Collectors Recognition Level page has been updated today to add three new members who have reported having over 35,000 vintage, single sports cards: John Scott Gray, Sam Taylor and TJ Valacak. The page is found by going to our directory home page, clicking on the last OBC Member Feature, and logging in. You probably need to access our website by searching for oldbaseball.com rather than using a favorites tab to get the old page to disappear. > It is great to add more names to the page. I am told that there are a fewmore members who are still counting their cards and are likely to find they have more than 35,000 vintage, single cards as well. Anytime anyone reaches one of the levels described on the Set Collectors Recognition page, let me know and I=E2=99ll update the listing. > The rules committee for Set Collectors Recognition Levels was treated to a lavish, all-expense-paid resort getaway in order to be able to properly deliberate on restating the criteria for counting cards and to answer some of the frequently asked questions (FAQs) important to set collectors. The rules committee report follows. > Collectors have asked how to count vintage sports cards in order to attain the levels necessary to be enshrined on the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on the OBC website. > =B7 Only single cards are counted, no duplicates count. > =B7 Variations and printing differences are not counted. > =B7 Only cards are counted. What is a card? Does it have to becardboard? Does it have to have 90 degree corners? Can it cover a Coke bottle or be flipped like a coin? All of these are very difficult questions and the rules committee has decided that you will know a card when you see it. > =B7 Cards do not have to be properly licensed (SSPC, The Sports Hobbyist, LaPizza Royale Expos, Fuds Photo Expos) as long as the issuers did not serve jail time longer than one year. > =B7 The card has to have been issued prior to 1981. Yes, it can cover the 1980-81 hockey season and basketball season, as long as the playoffs for those sports did not drag on for an eternity. > =B7 It has to be an athlete in a sport. Activities are not sports. Cards of bird watchers do not count. Cards of chess masters do not count unless they are also riding a bike that is not stationary. However, cards of pool players count as do umpires, referees, team owners, league presidents, team emblems, and mascots. Cards of professional pedestrians count. Pretty girls playing baseball count even if they don=E2=99t look like they have a clue as to what they are doing. Dogs playing baseball do not count. People sitting in cars do not count unless they are racing against one another and their shirts are covered with ads. APBA baseball cards do not count since they don=E2=99t have any pictures. > =B7 Fictional players do not count: Roy Hobbs, Sid Finch, Steve Nebraska, Willie Mays Hays, and Nuke Laloosh. But Crash Davis and Moonlight Graham count. > =B7 The cards can be from any country on Earth. > =B7 You don=E2=99t have to actually count every card. You could stack all your cards, measure them in inches and come up with a cards per inch multiple. You could weigh them and do the same. You could look at how many cards are in each set in price guides and subtract your want list totals. You could make up a number that sounds believable and leave it at that. > Keep in mind that any claimed vintage card totals are subject to periodicsurprise audits that will involve visiting your den or basement, taking cards out of shoeboxes, removing rubber bands, and counting each card. The counting will be done by a well-paid independent certification company that Iam thinking of starting. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 22:41:21 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Did you ever bid on something... From: ChicoD1@aol.com for shits and giggles, knowing you weren't going to win? Then you miscalculate and win the auction? I figured this was going to go over $225. Did I do good, or just overshoot the card a bit? 2K book in the last Bible I have, about 10% for a 2.5 graded. I can handle it if I kinda blew it a little http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Baseball-500-Mickey-Mantle-White-Letters- Well, January's budget was just blown to bits LOL... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS- The pitfalls of working massive OT and not having any time to spend ================= Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2016 20:14:19 -0800 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... From: Rick I was the one that bid 37.50! If I needed the Brock I would have bid more but only needed The fox Sent from my iPad > On Jan 19, 2016, at 7:46 PM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Awesome! Well done, mentor! > I did something similar (though of lesser value), I picked up Nellie Fox & Brock, '64T Venezuelans for $38. I was happy with it. > 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (Dist in Venezuela) > 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (... > 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (Dist in Venezuela) Black in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball | eBay > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo > looks like a great OBC night > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:41 PM, "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > for shits and giggles, knowing you weren't going to win? Then you miscalculate and win the auction? I figured this was going to go over $225. Did Ido good, or just overshoot the card a bit? 2K book in the last Bible I have, about 10% for a 2.5 graded. I can handle it if I kinda blew it a little here. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Baseball-500-Mickey-Mantle-White-Letters-SGC-GRADE-2-5-/161942306218? > Well, January's budget was just blown to bits LOL... > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > PS- The pitfalls of working massive OT and not having any time to spend it... ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 11:15:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Subject: Need three to ice rub offs From: Anthony Hell all, Any help 1966 topps rub off 3 left any condition 18 Roberto Clemente,87 Willie Stargell,112 Milwaukee Braves Anthony arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:55:43 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... From: Mac Wubben I had a bid on it as well. I think that with the much more limited ebay sales these days, we're all pretty much just bidding against each other. I miss the days when you could see who you were up against. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:46 PM To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... Awesome! Well done, mentor! I did something similar (though of lesser value), I picked up Nellie Fox & Brock, '64T Venezuelans for $38. I was happy with it. 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (Dist in Venezuela) Black 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (... Preview by Yahoo looks like a great OBC night On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:41 PM, "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" for shits and giggles, knowing you weren't going to win? Then you miscalculate and win the auction? I figured this was going to go over $225. Did I do good, or just overshoot the card a bit? 2K book in the last Bible I have,about 10% for a 2.5 graded. I can handle it if I kinda blew it a little here. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Baseball-500-Mickey-Mantle-White-Letters-SGC-GRADE-2-5-/161942306218? Well, January's budget was just blown to bits LOL... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS- The pitfalls of working massive OT and not having any time to spend it... ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 14:11:06 -0500 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... From: Joel Freedman Mac, what did I miss, why do you say..........limited ebay sales? On Wed, Jan 20, 2016 at 1:55 PM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I had a bid on it as well. I think that with the much more limited ebay > sales these days, we're all pretty much just bidding against each other. I > miss the days when you could see who you were up against. > Mac > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:46 PM > *To:* ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... > Awesome! Well done, mentor! > I did something similar (though of lesser value), I picked up Nellie Fox & > Brock, '64T Venezuelans for $38. I was happy with it. > 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (Dist in Venezuela) > Black > > [image: image] > > 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (... > > 1964 Topps Venezuelan Lot Lou Brock 29, Nellie Fox 205 (Dist in Venezuela) > Black in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball | eBay > View on www.ebay.com > > Preview by Yahoo > looks like a great OBC night > On Tuesday, January 19, 2016 10:41 PM, "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > for shits and giggles, knowing you weren't going to win? Then you > miscalculate and win the auction? I figured this was going to go over > $225. Did I do good, or just overshoot the card a bit? 2K book in the last > Bible I have, about 10% for a 2.5 graded. I can handle it if I kinda blew > it a little here. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Baseball-500-Mickey-Mantle-White-Letters-SGC-GRADE-2-5-/161942306218 > ? > Well, January's budget was just blown to bits LOL... > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > PS- The pitfalls of working massive OT and not having any time to spend > it... ================= Date: 20 Jan 2016 11:58:05 -0800 To: Subject: A Variation on Ebay From: billingtw@sbcglobal.net ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:08:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire From: Robert Fitts I upgraded some cards last week so I=92m offer up my rejects. These are inPoor/Fair Please send your mailing address when you claim a card. I will try and spread them around and first choice will go to those who I owe fire to. T205 Reulbach 1935 Diamond Stars #67 Owen (Tiger) 1951 B 7 Hodges 1953 B 62 kluszewski, 78 furillo, 85 hemus 1962 T 70 killebrew, 250 cash, 1963 T 20 kubel 1963 T Highs with =93autographs=94 518 570 576 1964 35 mathews ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 16:10:20 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Phillies high numbers waiver From: Robert Fitts I picked up these 2 Phillies high numbers by mistake . will give them to atrue Phillies collector 1964 585 Taylor 1967 548 Gonzalez ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 17:13:21 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: cards gone (accept for phillies) From: Robert Fitts wow what a response! I=92ll figure out who gets what. I=92m afraid most of you will be disappointed ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 18:52:09 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I have to apologize to Ken for winning this card. He has been in charge of finding me all my Mantles (at least the last 5 I have needed). Sorry Ken, but I think I'm going to need you for that 59 one :-)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/19/2016 10:41:26 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: for shits and giggles, knowing you weren't going to win? Then you miscalculate and win the auction? I figured this was going to go over $225. Did I do good, or just overshoot the card a bit? 2K book in the last Bible I have, about 10% for a 2.5 graded. I can handle it if I kinda blew it a little http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Baseball-500-Mickey-Mantle-White-Letters- Well, January's budget was just blown to bits LOL... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS- The pitfalls of working massive OT and not having any time to spend ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 02:02:52 +0000 (UTC) To: , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... From: Patrick Prickett Believe it or not ... that's how I got my 1952 Mantles AND my 1952 Mathews ... in the same week! The funny thing ... the underbidder contacted me the day after I won the Mantle and offered me $100 more than I paid. If he had placed more one bid .... he would have won it in the first place! On Tue, 1/19/16, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Did you ever bid on something... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, January 19, 2016, 7:41 PM for shits and giggles, knowing you weren't going to win? Then you miscalculate and win the auction? I figured this was going to go over $225. Did I do good, or just overshoot the card a bit? 2K book in the last Bible I have, about 10% for a 2.5 graded. I can handle it if I kinda blew it a little here. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-Baseball-500-Mickey-Mantle-White-Letters-SGC-GRADE-2-5-/161942306218? Well, January's budget was just blown to bits OBC - 1992 PS- The pitfalls of working massive OT and not having any time to spend ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2016 21:40:41 -0500 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, vrechek@ameritech.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Collector Recognition Page and answers to From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Being a former Class A, bordering on Expert level Chess Player, based upon the new criteria, after objecting to the lack of inclusion of chess players, I will have to lower my overall number of cards in my collection. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2016 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Collector Recognition Page and answers to FAQ Hahaha this made my day! :) I really need to get my act in gear and get on a list! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2016, at 12:05 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: The Set Collectors Recognition Level page has been updated today to add three new members who have reported having over 35,000 vintage, single sportscards: John Scott Gray, Sam Taylor and TJ Valacak. The page is found by going to our directory home page, clicking on the last OBC Member Feature, and logging in. You probably need to access our website by searching for oldbaseball.com rather than using a favorites tab to get the old page to disappear. It is great to add more names to the page. I am told that there are a few more members who are still counting their cards and are likely to find they have more than 35,000 vintage, single cards as well. Anytime anyone reachesone of the levels described on the Set Collectors Recognition page, let meknow and I=E2=99ll update the listing. The rules committee for Set Collectors Recognition Levels was treated to a lavish, all-expense-paid resort getaway in order to be able to properly deliberate on restating the criteria for counting cards and to answer some of the frequently asked questions (FAQs) important to set collectors. The rules committee report follows. Collectors have asked how to count vintage sports cards in order to attain the levels necessary to be enshrined on the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on the OBC website. =B7 Only single cards are counted, no duplicates count. =B7 Variations and printing differences are not counted. =B7 Only cards are counted. What is a card? Does it have to be cardboard? Does it have to have 90 degree corners? Can it cover a Coke bottle or be flipped like a coin? All of these are very difficult questions and the rules committee has decided that you will know a card when you see it. =B7 Cards do not have to be properly licensed (SSPC, The Sports Hobbyist, LaPizza Royale Expos, Fuds Photo Expos) as long as the issuers did not serve jail time longer than one year. =B7 The card has to have been issued prior to 1981. Yes, it can cover the 1980-81 hockey season and basketball season, as long as the playoffs for those sports did not drag on for an eternity. =B7 It has to be an athlete in a sport. Activities are not sports. Cards of bird watchers do not count. Cards of chess masters do not countunless they are also riding a bike that is not stationary. However, cards of pool players count as do umpires, referees, team owners, league presidents, team emblems, and mascots. Cards of professional pedestrians count. Pretty girls playing baseball count even if they don=E2=99t look like they have a clue as to what they are doing. Dogs playing baseball do not count. People sitting in cars do not count unless they are racing against one another and their shirts are covered with ads. APBA baseball cards do not countsince they don=E2=99t have any pictures. =B7 Fictional players do not count: Roy Hobbs, Sid Finch, Steve Nebraska, Willie Mays Hays, and Nuke Laloosh. But Crash Davis and MoonlightGraham =B7 The cards can be from any country on Earth. =B7 You don=E2=99t have to actually count every card. You could stack all your cards, measure them in inches and come up with a cards per inch multiple. You could weigh them and do the same. You could look at how many cards are in each set in price guides and subtract your want list totals. You could make up a number that sounds believable and leave it at that. Keep in mind that any claimed vintage card totals are subject to periodic surprise audits that will involve visiting your den or basement, taking cards out of shoeboxes, removing rubber bands, and counting each card. The counting will be done by a well-paid independent certification company that I am thinking of starting. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 00:26:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Collector Recognition Page and answers to FAQ From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I think that will bring Mike down to 48,926 different cards... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/20/2016 9:40:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Being a former Class A, bordering on Expert level Chess Player, based upon the new criteria, after objecting to the lack of inclusion of chess players, I will have to lower my overall number of cards in my collection. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 19, 2016 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Collector Recognition Page and answers to Hahaha this made my day! :) I really need to get my act in gear and get on a list! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 19, 2016, at 12:05 AM, 'George Vrechek' _vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: The Set Collectors Recognition Level page has been updated today to add three new members who have reported having over 35,000 vintage, single sports cards: John Scott Gray, Sam Taylor and TJ Valacak. The page is found going to our directory home page, clicking on the last OBC Member Feature, and logging in. You probably need to access our website by searching for _oldbaseball.com_ (http://oldbaseball.com/) rather than using a favoritestab to get the old page to disappear. It is great to add more names to the page. I am told that there are a few more members who are still counting their cards and are likely to find they have more than 35,000 vintage, single cards as well. Anytime anyone reaches one of the levels described on the Set Collectors Recognition page, me know and I=E2=99ll update the listing. The rules committee for Set Collectors Recognition Levels was treated to a lavish, all-expense-paid resort getaway in order to be able to properly deliberate on restating the criteria for counting cards and to answer someof the frequently asked questions (FAQs) important to set collectors. The rules committee report follows. Collectors have asked how to count vintage sports cards in order to attain the levels necessary to be enshrined on the Set Collectors Recognition Level page on the OBC website. =B7 Only single cards are counted, no duplicates count. =B7 Variations and printing differences are not counted. =B7 Only cards are counted. What is a card? Does it have to be cardboard? Does it have to have 90 degree corners? Can it cover a Coke bottle or be flipped like a coin? All of these are very difficult questions and the rules committee has decided that you will know a card when you see it. =B7 Cards do not have to be properly licensed (SSPC, The Sports Hobbyist, LaPizza Royale Expos, Fuds Photo Expos) as long as the issuers did not serve jail time longer than one year. =B7 The card has to have been issued prior to 1981. Yes, it can cover the 1980-81 hockey season and basketball season, as long as the playoffs for those sports did not drag on for an eternity. =B7 It has to be an athlete in a sport. Activities are not sports. Cards of bird watchers do not count. Cards of chess masters do not count unless they are also riding a bike that is not stationary. However, cards of pool players count as do umpires, referees, team owners, league presidents, team emblems, and mascots. Cards of professional pedestrians count. Pretty girls playing baseball count even if they don=E2=99t look like they have a clue as to what they are doing. Dogs playing baseball do not count. People sitting in cars do not count unless they are racing against one another and their shirts are covered with ads. APBA baseball cards do not count since they don=E2=99t have any pictures. =B7 Fictional players do not count: Roy Hobbs, Sid Finch, Steve Nebraska, Willie Mays Hays, and Nuke Laloosh. But Crash Davis and Moonlight Graham count. =B7 The cards can be from any country on Earth. =B7 You don=E2=99t have to actually count every card. You could all your cards, measure them in inches and come up with a cards per inch multiple. You could weigh them and do the same. You could look at how many cards are in each set in price guides and subtract your want list totals. You could make up a number that sounds believable and leave it at that. Keep in mind that any claimed vintage card totals are subject to periodic surprise audits that will involve visiting your den or basement, taking cards out of shoeboxes, removing rubber bands, and counting each card. The counting will be done by a well-paid independent certification company that am thinking of starting. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 00:45:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 59 Spahn From: ChicoD1@aol.com For those looking, this is the toughest of the 3 to get... _http://www.ebay.com/itm/161947020958?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/161947020958?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 08:54:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire results and 2 1963 left From: Robert Fitts first, I still have 1963 kubek and 570 billing unclaimed coming your way t205 thayer DS owen Galbreath 64 mathews hutchinson 62 killbrew and cash freedman 53b klu billings 51 hodges and 63 518, 576 bessette 53b 78 and 85 wes phillies levine ================= To: "'yahoogroups'" Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:00:41 -0500 Subject: Combined Shipping Buy it now From: "Bob Donaldson" How do you get combined shipping on buy it now items? When doing a buy it now, I am forced to pay right away with individual shipping per card. There seems to be no way to ask the seller for a combined invoice. Is there an easy way around this? ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:14:38 -0500 To: obcbobd@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en Place one or more items in your shopping cart, and click on "Request total from Seller". You will then have to commit to buying these, but will not have to pay. In the message box, ask for combined shipping. You can then add more items from the same Seller to your shopping cart and repeat the process. I did this last week with a Seller with BIN items, who offers free shipping for 20 or more items. Best regards, In a message dated 01/21/2016 10:07:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: How do you get combined shipping on buy it now items? When doing a buy it now, I am forced to pay right away with individual shipping per card. There seems to be no way to ask the seller for a combined invoice. Is there an easy way around this? ================= To: 'yahoogroups' Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 09:21:58 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now From: JAY TYSVER I usually wait until all items are purchased. I send a message to the seller asking for an invoice with combined shipping. When I get that, I pay. Jay Tysver To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:00:41 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now How do you get combined shipping on buy it now items? When doing a buy it now, I am forced to pay right away with individual shipping per card. There seems to be no way to ask the seller for a combined invoice. Is there aneasy way around this? Thanks Bob ================= To: , Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 10:24:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now From: "Bob Donaldson" Don=E2=99t know how I missed the =E2=9CRequest total from seller button=E2=9D From: BSKP1@aol.com [mailto:BSKP1@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2016 10:15 AM To: obcbobd@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now Place one or more items in your shopping cart, and click on "Request total from Seller". You will then have to commit to buying these, but will not have to pay. In the message box, ask for combined shipping. You can then add more items from the same Seller to your shopping cart and repeat the process. I did this last week with a Seller with BIN items, who offers free shipping for 20 or more items. Best regards, In a message dated 01/21/2016 10:07:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com How do you get combined shipping on buy it now items? When doing a buy it now, I am forced to pay right away with individual shipping per card. There seems to be no way to ask the seller for a combined invoice. Is there aneasy way around this? ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 20:06:03 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Following the Ebay saga of the 1971 Kellogg's...just, wow! From: chris tripler and to think, before I met you guys, I threw these things out... 1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL CARDS COMPLETE SET 1-75 MINT CONDITION | | | | | | | | | | | 1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL CARDS COMPLETE SET 1-...1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL CARDS COMPLETE SET 1-75 MINT CONDITION in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball | eBay | | | | View on www.ebay.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | w/ two days to go! ChrisOBC 2015 ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 23:12:19 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Sam drills my list! From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- A couple weeks ago, I put out a thread on what card would you overpay for. Mine was a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back. As a few of you know, I'm trying to complete the entire T205 Sovereign (and T206, although that one is in the infant stage). There are 208 basic T205 cards, but only 123 are available with a Sovereign back. I had completed the208 with no regard for backs about 10 years ago, but I still had the T205 itch, thus the Sovereign effort. I don't think any of them are any harder than any others to come by, but sometimes one of them sticks at the top of the list forever and just doesn't come across the N54 board or Ebay. Davy Jones was one of those culprits...been searching him out for over a year now. Well, a day or so after my post, OBC Dentist Sam Taylor says "search no more, it's on the way!" Are you kidding me? And he didn't have an extra, he took it out of his Tigers collection. How cool is that?!? I've been on a 4-day trip, followed by my annual Dial-A-Death simulator, so I've been dying to get home to my stack of mail...and there he was! I keep a database of the cards I get in for my Sovereign set, and Samis now in there in capital letters! And it's not a beater...Davy looks as good on this card as he did years later on The Monkees. Sam, I owe you big, and will get some return fire headed your way in the next few weeks...that's for sure! Only 25 cards to go for my 123...I'm toasting my newest addition with a Great Divide Claymore Scotch Ale, cheers to Sam! Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 18:48:35 -0500 To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sam drills my list! From: Jimi Thayer OBC Rules!!!! :) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2016, at 6:12 PM, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Fellas -- > A couple weeks ago, I put out a thread on what card would you overpay for. Mine was a T205 Davy Jones with a Sovereign back. As a few of you know,I'm trying to complete the entire T205 Sovereign (and T206, although that one is in the infant stage). There are 208 basic T205 cards, but only 123 are available with a Sovereign back. I had completed the 208 with no regard for backs about 10 years ago, but I still had the T205 itch, thus the Sovereign effort. I don't think any of them are any harder than any others tocome by, but sometimes one of them sticks at the top of the list forever and just doesn't come across the N54 board or Ebay. Davy Jones was one of those culprits...been searching him out for over a year now. > Well, a day or so after my post, OBC Dentist Sam Taylor says "search no more, it's on the way!" Are you kidding me? And he didn't have an extra, he took it out of his Tigers collection. How cool is that?!? I've been on a 4-day trip, followed by my annual Dial-A-Death simulator, so I've been dying to get home to my stack of mail...and there he was! I keep a database of the cards I get in for my Sovereign set, and Sam is now in there in capital letters! And it's not a beater...Davy looks as good on this card as hedid years later on The Monkees. Sam, I owe you big, and will get some return fire headed your way in the next few weeks...that's for sure! > Only 25 cards to go for my 123...I'm toasting my newest addition with a Great Divide Claymore Scotch Ale, cheers to Sam! > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:34:00 -0800 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now From: Rick Try putting the items in your cart instead of the bin then when your done with putting stuff in the cart go to cart and then try and pay. No sure if that will work but might. I know it's frustrating when it's an instant pay compared to the normal bin. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 21, 2016, at 7:00 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > How do you get combined shipping on buy it now items? When doing a buy it now, I am forced to pay right away with individual shipping per card. There seems to be no way to ask the seller for a combined invoice. Is there an easy way around this? > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2016 22:53:27 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1954 Johnston Cookies Braves Card #21 Warren Spahn From: Rick Won this card tonight I know it's in rough shape but I still expected it togo for more. Did I miss something,reprint? View item: 1954 Johnston Cookies Braves Card #21 Warren Spahn End Time: Jan 21, 2016, 11:25:44 AM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 22 Jan 2016 07:07:46 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 Johnston Cookies Braves Card #21 Warren Spahn From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 13:31:19 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Topps black bio William Kennedy From: Raymond Luurs Thinking I had just finished my secod set of the year. I found out o am missing a black bio of William Kennedy#94. When looking on line all I see is white bio does the black even exist ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 14:39:39 -0500 To: Raymond Luurs Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Topps black bio William Kennedy From: "Thomas W. Billing" NO, it is one of those cards not having both white and black. Best of luckas this is a great set. Tom Billing > On Jan 22, 2016, at 2:31 PM, Raymond Luurs raymondluurs@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Thinking I had just finished my secod set of the year. I found out o am missing a black bio of William Kennedy#94. When looking on line all I see is white bio does the black even exist ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:23:42 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Freebie Friday...FCFS... From: chris tripler Opening up some space...please provide address... '56T #21 Alex Grammas (Cardinals), white back '68T #s 350 (Wilhelm), 418, 427, 435, 454 (F. Robinson CL, mk'd), 518 (unmk'd), 572 '73T #s 284, 291, 302, 307, 360, 410 (mccovey), 464 (Cubs TC), 480 (Marichal), 490, 498 (Nettles), 605 TripOBC 2015 ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:14:01 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What set is this? Thanks From: Andy ================= To: "'Andy'" , Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 18:16:18 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What set is this? Thanks [1 Attachment] From: "Bob Donaldson" The picture is so small I can barely see it, but I believe it's a 1972 Sunoco Stamp From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 22, 2016 6:14 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What set is this? Thanks [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Andy included below] ================= Date: 22 Jan 2016 15:52:26 -0800 To: Subject: t206 southern leaguer to trade From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:52:17 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: And then there was one... From: Ken M Hi gang,  I bought a couple cards on eBay today. The first is a 1960 Aaron AS. This leaves just the Maris AS to finish my (#2) set. The other card is a 1950 Bowman Charlie Keller. Now, which card do you think set me back more? The high number HOF AS card in Good/VG condition or the common non-SP in Fair/Good? If you guessed Keller, you are correct. His acquisition leaves me with only the immortal Stan Goliat (no copyright variation) in my way to complete the 1950 Bowman set. These variations have been on my list a long time - longer than it took me to put the first 252 cards together. For those of you unfamiliar with the set, the low numbers are the scarcer series. The last 72 cards in the set can be found with or without the 1950 copyright line on the back. Of those 72, the final 36 without the copyright line are easier to find than #'s 181-216 - at least from my experience and judging from other people's lists (with the same disorder I have). I now have six sets on my list needing a single card:1950 Bowman: 205 Goliat (no ©1950)1960 Topps (#2): 565 Maris AS1963 Post: 187 Aspromonte (no big surprise)1963 Fleer FB (base set): 47 Dawson RC1973 Fleer Wildest Days & Plays: 40 Opening Day no-hitter that didn't count1979 Burger King Yankees: 22 BeniquezAny heroes out there? Any trade proposals? Any DS offers? Anyone? Bueller? Now back to your regularly scheduled ramblings. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 21:39:36 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Combined Shipping Buy it now From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Talk about timing...I was just in the same situation with a few 69T White letters (I got beat out of 3 of the ones I was after by SECONDS because I was looking up how to buy these in one fell swoop. There was a help link with old information. Originally, you would hit BIN, then continue shopping. Nowadays, you put them all in your cart, once you request total from seller, that is your commitment to buy. I post this in the comments section on ebay. Kinda pisses me off when there is bad info. I lost out on 3 white letters, including a Perry because of this. In a message dated 1/21/2016 10:07:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: How do you get combined shipping on buy it now items? When doing a buy it now, I am forced to pay right away with individual shipping per card. There seems to be no way to ask the seller for a combined invoice. Is there an easy way around this? ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 22:26:39 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: It has begun From: Andy Huntoon Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey.We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The last map we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 20:29:12 -0800 To: Ken Pillion Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It has begun From: Stamper Well out here in sunny So Cal our weather reporter said we were in for a very wet winter. We have had a day and a half of rain in the past two months. Stay safe guys! John Stamper On Jan 22, 2016, at 8:00 PM, "Ken Pillion welfar03@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > The weather man was dead on. Here in south central Kentucky we had about 14 inches when I got home from work and we have gotten a couple more since then. And its still coming down. Hope you Yankee and Sox fans are prepared. > Ken P. > On Friday, January 22, 2016 10:29 PM, "Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey. We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The lastmap we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* > Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? > Andy Huntoon > OBC Rules!!! > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2016 23:50:23 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Minimal cards, Maximum return! From: ChicoD1@aol.com JSG answers the call for Red Sox with 19 of the 25 Sawks needed for the 1975 mini set! Thanks loads John, excellent flat! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 You gotta be a man to play baseball for a living, but you gotta have a lot of little boy in you, too. ~Roy Campanella ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:08:37 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Remains of the picked over waiver wire carcass...any vultures? From: chris tripler *1968T #s 418, 427, 572 (if you need to replace any serious Tiptons, G/VG) *1973T #s 284, 302, 307, 360, 464, 490, 498 (some in VG/borderline EX if you're looking to upgrade) * 1991 Upper Deck, Baseball Heroes 'Hank Aaron' set, includes NNO Header card and #s 19-27/27 *2012 Sportkings #211 Griffey, 212 R. Alomar, 214 P. Molitor (letter back "G"), 215 E. Murray, 216 Carew, 217 D. Winfield, & #213 mini R. Henderson. Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 07:53:51 -0500 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It has begun From: Doug In Asheville NC we supposed to get 8-10 inches yesterday, possibly twice that in the higher elevations. National weather reports had my parents worried about us. At my house we may have gotten three inches yesterday, possibly another inch last night. Had no troubles running an errand to the grocery store this morning. Earlier in the week we were supposed to get snow Wednesday, and some schools and day care centers closed in anticipation. Didn't happen. Makes it tough staffing a hospital when people have to juggle kids, unknown road conditions, etc. The mountains also make it extremely variable from one area to the next, but right now we have a nice touch of winter wonderland without it being a real burden. Stay safe everyone! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey. We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The lastmap we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* > Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? > Andy Huntoon > OBC Rules!!! > Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 08:57:28 -0600 Subject: Observations from a High school basketball game last night From: "ken goetsch" Went to my first high school basketball game last at my "old" high school[Class of 71', Oconomowoc, Wi.]..............have not been to a game in I would say 5 years........... Went to see my bosses son play-[Hartford -at Oconomowoc]............I wouldsay the game is still very entertaining......but boy have the people changed-or it seems to me they have......... What do I mean...........well..this cell phone thing is -OUT OF CONTROL- Sat on the Hartford side viewing the Oconomowoc side student section.......I would say probably about 400 or so kids...........and I would say 30% hadcell phones in there hands the whole game....how do you clap for a basket.....[you don't]....and then all I see is that stupid bright white light as some kids take pictures........then I view over to the adults area....same thing.............. then I see kids that are probably 18- 12 years old[I lost track of the count at 17 kids.....all not paying attention to the game......but playing games on the phone.........really?......is that what modern high school basketball is?......maybe if those kids paid attention.they might learn something,get inspired to do something...........but no......all I saw was a total lack of respect for the effort being put forth on the floor................ Man...........maybe I am getting to old, I am 62.......still feel young at heart...I know I am a dinosaur.[I still don't own a cell phone]. But come on people............[sorry for the long ramble]. Frustrated basketball guy. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: 23 Jan 2016 08:22:03 -0800 To: Subject: My new idea of "getting lucky" on a Friday night. From: ricktopps@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 12:59:09 -0500 To: yahoogroups Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Observations from a High school basketball game last night From: ShoelessWes Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: ShoelessWes > Date: January 23, 2016 at 12:31:23 PM EST > To: ken goetsch > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Observations from a High school basketball game last night > Ken, > You are 100% correct on your observations. Im not yet 35 and think the same thing, except i do have a cell phone, but i dont really like it per se. > I claim to be the "last paperboy." Meaning i've yet to meet anyone younger than me, that earned money shoveling snow and delivering the daily paper as a kid. Who bought their own wax packs, and eventually their own first car. Though a telephone call was a quarter, i remember having to drive to thenext couple blocks to find a telephone booth to talk to someone. And even then, you'd hafta hope the vandals didnt steal the phonebook, because it would be needed to find your friend's phone number, or even the police! > As a public servant, even nice young gentlemen and ladies, who are likelycresting 30, look at me like a deer in headlights if i ask if they know what a telephone booth is. Its amazing how a mere 4-6 year age gap almost always proves to be a 'skipped generation' of sorts. Occasionally, someone will chime about having seen one in a high school movie seminar or something. Without acknowledging the occasional exceptions, of course, folks 35 and upseem to recall quite vividly phone booths, bicycles, baseball cards, and dolls. More importantly, they could survive without cell phone gadgetry. > It is sad, Ken. Just like when they tore down the drive in theatres. Now the movie cinemas are even closing shop in certain areas, because of netflix, "tablets" gadgets and youtube. Girls now fist fight over boys, boys donthold the door for girls. Why go to prom, when you can do it every day on your iphone app? > I dont know, its odd being part of a seemingly older demographic. I stillbelieve in God, with a capital G. I collect baseball cards, and say hello to anyone in my path that looks old enough to be my parent. I defend my house with a baseball bat and a revolver. I chew with my mouth closed, and wear my underwear on the inside of my pants. > Good ramble Ken, can't wait for march madness! > Wes > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 23, 2016, at 9:57 AM, 'ken goetsch' kshoes@charter.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Went to my first high school basketball game last at my "old" high school[Class of 71', Oconomowoc, Wi.]..............have not been to a game in I would say 5 years........... >> Went to see my bosses son play-[Hartford -at Oconomowoc]............I would say the game is still very entertaining......but boy have the people changed-or it seems to me they have......... >> What do I mean...........well..this cell phone thing is -OUT OF CONTROL- >> Sat on the Hartford side viewing the Oconomowoc side student section.......I would say probably about 400 or so kids...........and I would say 30% had cell phones in there hands the whole game....how do you clap for a basket.....[you don't]....and then all I see is that stupid bright white light as some kids take pictures........then I view over to the adults area....same >> then I see kids that are probably 18- 12 years old[I lost track of the count at 17 kids.....all not paying attention to the game......but playing games on the phone.........really?......is that what modern high school basketball is?......maybe if those kids paid attention.they might learn something, get inspired to do something...........but no......all I saw was a total lack of respect for the effort being put forth on the floor................ >> Man...........maybe I am getting to old, I am 62.......still feel young at heart...I know I am a dinosaur.[I still don't own a cell phone]. >> But come on people............[sorry for the long ramble]. >> Frustrated basketball guy. >> Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:19:30 -0500 To: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It has begun From: Andy Huntoon My Central Jersey Update: It's been snowing heavy since the wee hours of the morning. Plows have beenclearing paths in the roadway in front of our house and it still looks like nothing has been done. Only the tops of cars are visible at this point. My kids had a lot of fun playing in it earlier. We got them small shovels this year so they were digging out our front steps and porch. Now they are buried again. We'll see the aftermath tomorrow morning as the snow should have stopped and the sun should be out. Then I get to dig my cars out and getthem ready to hit the roads for Monday morning. Be safe everyone and enjoy it when you can. For now it's back to my cards and the warmth of our heat indoors. Andy Huntoon OBC Rules!!! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Doug wrote: > In Asheville NC we supposed to get 8-10 inches yesterday, possibly twice that in the higher elevations. National weather reports had my parents worried about us. At my house we may have gotten three inches yesterday, possibly another inch last night. Had no troubles running an errand to the grocery store this morning. Earlier in the week we were supposed to get snow Wednesday, and some schools and day care centers closed in anticipation. Didn't happen. Makes it tough staffing a hospital when people have to juggle kids, unknown road conditions, etc. The mountains also make it extremely variable from one area to the next, but right now we have a nice touch ofwinter wonderland without it being a real burden. > Stay safe everyone! > Doug > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey. We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The last map we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* >> Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? >> Andy Huntoon >> OBC Rules!!! >> Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 17:21:29 -0500 To: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It has begun From: Anthony Well.....Maryland is getting at least three feet .......wow Everything is shut down Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Doug ddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > In Asheville NC we supposed to get 8-10 inches yesterday, possibly twice that in the higher elevations. National weather reports had my parents worried about us. At my house we may have gotten three inches yesterday, possibly another inch last night. Had no troubles running an errand to the grocery store this morning. Earlier in the week we were supposed to get snow Wednesday, and some schools and day care centers closed in anticipation. Didn't happen. Makes it tough staffing a hospital when people have to juggle kids, unknown road conditions, etc. The mountains also make it extremely variable from one area to the next, but right now we have a nice touch ofwinter wonderland without it being a real burden. > Stay safe everyone! > Doug > Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey. We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The last map we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* >> Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? >> Andy Huntoon >> OBC Rules!!! >> Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 23 Jan 2016 14:37:58 -0800 To: Subject: 1953 Red Man Tobacco From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 14:52:06 -0800 To: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It has begun From: Stamper It's 70 and sunny with scattered clouds outside. I do have a fire going in the fireplace since its a nice relaxing day. Last weekend Karyn and I went to Idyllwild, in the local So Cal mountains, for a weekend getaway. We rented a Cabin which was way better than staying in a Hotel. There was about two feet of snow on the ground, which was awesome. However there was two feet of snow on the steps leading to the Cabin and the upper balcony. They had the cabin cleaned buy they couldn't bother clearing the steps. I cleared them all in about 20 minutes without a shovel. I had a very large screwdriver with me. Didn't mind doing it, but couldn't imagine having to do that all winter long. Stay safe!! John Stamper On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:21 PM, "Anthonyanthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Well.....Maryland is getting at least three feet .......wow > Everything is shut down > Anthony > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Dougddejong17@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> In Asheville NC we supposed to get 8-10 inches yesterday, possibly twicethat in the higher elevations. National weather reports had my parents worried about us. At my house we may have gotten three inches yesterday, possibly another inch last night. Had no troubles running an errand to the grocery store this morning. Earlier in the week we were supposed to get snowWednesday, and some schools and day care centers closed in anticipation. Didn't happen. Makes it tough staffing a hospital when people have to juggle kids, unknown road conditions, etc. The mountains also make it extremely variable from one area to the next, but right now we have a nice touch of winter wonderland without it being a real burden. >> Stay safe everyone! >> Doug >> Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey. We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The last map we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* >>> Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? >>> Andy Huntoon >>> OBC Rules!!! >>> Sent from my iPhone On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:19 PM, "Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > My Central Jersey Update: > It's been snowing heavy since the wee hours of the morning. Plows have been clearing paths in the roadway in front of our house and it still looks like nothing has been done. Only the tops of cars are visible at this point. > My kids had a lot of fun playing in it earlier. We got them small shovelsthis year so they were digging out our front steps and porch. Now they areburied again. We'll see the aftermath tomorrow morning as the snow should have stopped and the sun should be out. Then I get to dig my cars out and get them ready to hit the roads for Monday morning. > Be safe everyone and enjoy it when you can. For now it's back to my cardsand the warmth of our heat indoors. > Andy Huntoon > OBC Rules!!! > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2016, at 7:53 AM, Doug wrote: >> In Asheville NC we supposed to get 8-10 inches yesterday, possibly twicethat in the higher elevations. National weather reports had my parents worried about us. At my house we may have gotten three inches yesterday, possibly another inch last night. Had no troubles running an errand to the grocery store this morning. Earlier in the week we were supposed to get snowWednesday, and some schools and day care centers closed in anticipation. Didn't happen. Makes it tough staffing a hospital when people have to juggle kids, unknown road conditions, etc. The mountains also make it extremely variable from one area to the next, but right now we have a nice touch of winter wonderland without it being a real burden. >> Stay safe everyone! >> Doug >> Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 22, 2016, at 10:26 PM, Andy Huntoon cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Well, the snow has officially started falling on us here in central Jersey. We'll see how accurate the weather guy on tv is in the morning. The last map we saw had our town in the 18" - 24" range. Tomorrow may be filled with shoveling and sorting baseball cards for me. Great *sarcasm* and Great *honesty* >>> Anyone else preparing for something similar out in OBCland? >>> Andy Huntoon >>> OBC Rules!!! >>> Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:03:46 -0500 To: "bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco From: Ken M Andy,  I can't see too clearly from the scans, but they all aren't fron 1953. The green backed ones are either 1952 or 1954. I think you can find them without tabs for under $10/card. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Sat, Jan 23, 2016 5:38 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco Hey guys, help me out here. I don't have any of these and am not familiar with this set, but 3 hours ago I stumbled upon this auction and won: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=291661622780&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2565 Is it a good deal or bad? Not knowing the set, it was an impulsive bet.Thanks for your feedback.Best regards,Chuck ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:19:39 -0800 Subject: Set Collectors Recognition Level Page revised yet again From: "George Vrechek" Jay Tysver has counted up his cards and weighs in with the other new additions so far this year (Valacak, Gray, Taylor) to the Bray Level (over 35,000 vintage sports singles). The revised page can be found at the bottom of the first page of our directory. If you bookmark the page, you probably need to re-find the webpage in order to see the revisions. It is great to see so many collectors adding significantly to their collections. 35,000 vintage singles stack up to about 58 lineal feet of cardboard. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 16:38:58 -0800 To: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco From: Rick Their not all 53's Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2016, at 2:37 PM, bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, help me out here. I don't have any of these and am not familiarwith this set, but 3 hours ago I stumbled upon this auction and won: > http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item291661622780&rtnc&_trksidp2047675.l2565 > Is it a good deal or bad? Not knowing the set, it was an impulsive bet. > Thanks for your feedback. > Best regards, > Chuck ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:17:22 -0800 Subject: New Article added to Library page on Burdick collection From: "George Vrechek" An article about a collector's visit to see the Burdick collection at the George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 18:19:34 -0800 Subject: Hall of Mediocrity- expansion..... From: "Grant Rainsley" Your Selection Committee is pleased to announce the latest members of the Virgil Trucks- nominated by Jimi Thayer, great choice! Jack Morris- barely squeaked in under the must have a card issued pre-1980 rule. Jack is on Probation though, he still has a shot at the real Hall via the Veterans Committee...he`ll be drummed outta here if he makes it, like Blyleven was..Nick Pelletier`s guy. Bud Harrelson- Was a previous member (Sal Domino`s guy) but somehow fell off the board..he has been re-admitted. Thanks to Joe Isaac for his work getting these guys into their rightful place of glory, for all the world to see! ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:20:56 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Sterling Sports Auctions going right now From: Jim Thayer Hey guys, I wanted to give a shout out to Jay Behrens and Sterling Sports Auctions. Although I haven't bought from his auctions since last year, I've always been a fan of his service and selection. The auction is going on right now:http://sterlingsportsauctions.com/catalog.aspxand there are a lot of nice items from all eras, and some hits for some of you guys who have tough lists! I don't know him personally, but out of all the auction services I've worked with, Jay has done a topnotch job and is on of my favorites! He takes all forms of payment and you get your cards FAST! And, my feeling is since Sterling is not REA, Goldin, or Goodwin (amongst other high end auction services), his prices stay rather low and you can get some nice deals. Just trying to help out some of you guys who are looking for another avenue. Have a good weekend! ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:23:12 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Mediocrity- expansion..... From: Jimi Thayer Woohoo!!! And I've recently added a want list for him on my site. He has 60 cards total ever made of him, but some are tough SPs. I own exactly ZERO cards of him! Ugh! If anyone has any, please let me know. Thanks! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2016, at 9:19 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Your Selection Committee is pleased to announce the latest members of theHOM: > Virgil Trucks- nominated by Jimi Thayer, great choice! > Jack Morris- barely squeaked in under the must have a card issued pre-1980 rule. Jack is on Probation though, he still has a shot at the real Hall via the Veterans Committee=E2=A6=E2=A6.he`ll be drummed outta here if he makes it, like Blyleven was=E2=A6.Nick Pelletier`s guy. > Bud Harrelson- Was a previous member (Sal Domino`s guy) but somehow fell off the board=E2=A6.he has been re-admitted=E2=A6 > Thanks to Joe Isaac for his work getting these guys into their rightful place of glory, for all the world to see! > Grant ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:27:53 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions - Lee Behrens From: Tim newcomb I agree that Sterling Auctions is a great firm, but let me mention that itsprinciple is LEE BEHRENS. Jay is Lee's brother, but I don't think he's too actively involved in Sterling. Many of you know Lee already and know that he is one of the true class guys in the hobby. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:20:56 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions going right now Hey guys, I wanted to give a shout out to Jay Behrens and Sterling Sports Auctions. Although I haven't bought from his auctions since last year, I've always been a fan of his service and selection. The auction is going on right now: http://sterlingsportsauctions.com/catalog.aspx and there are a lot of nice items from all eras, and some hits for some of you guys who have tough lists! I don't know him personally, but out of all the auction services I've worked with, Jay has done a topnotch job and is on of my favorites! He takes all forms of payment and you get your cards FAST! And, my feeling is since Sterling is not REA, Goldin, or Goodwin (amongst other high end auction services), his prices stay rather low and you can get some nice deals. Just trying to help out some of you guys who are looking for another avenue. Have a good weekend! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:28:52 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions - Lee Behrens From: Tim newcomb Sorry, that should be "principal," and I should know better- To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 20:27:53 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions - Lee Behrens I agree that Sterling Auctions is a great firm, but let me mention that itsprinciple is LEE BEHRENS. Jay is Lee's brother, but I don't think he's too actively involved in Sterling. Many of you know Lee already and know that he is one of the true class guys in the hobby. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:20:56 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions going right now Hey guys, I wanted to give a shout out to Jay Behrens and Sterling Sports Auctions. Although I haven't bought from his auctions since last year, I've always been a fan of his service and selection. The auction is going on right now: http://sterlingsportsauctions.com/catalog.aspx and there are a lot of nice items from all eras, and some hits for some of you guys who have tough lists! I don't know him personally, but out of all the auction services I've worked with, Jay has done a topnotch job and is on of my favorites! He takes all forms of payment and you get your cards FAST! And, my feeling is since Sterling is not REA, Goldin, or Goodwin (amongst other high end auction services), his prices stay rather low and you can get some nice deals. Just trying to help out some of you guys who are looking for another avenue. Have a good weekend! ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:29:45 -0500 To: Tim newcomb Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions - Lee Behrens From: Jimi Thayer Man, I typed that way too fast! LOL. I meant LEE. Geesh! Thanks for correcting that, Tim! :) Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2016, at 9:27 PM, Tim newcomb apspr@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I agree that Sterling Auctions is a great firm, but let me mention that its principle is LEE BEHRENS. Jay is Lee's brother, but I don't think he's too actively involved in Sterling. Many of you know Lee already and know that he is one of the true class guys in the hobby. > Cheers, > Tim > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 02:20:56 +0000 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sterling Sports Auctions going right now > Hey guys, > I wanted to give a shout out to Jay Behrens and Sterling Sports Auctions.Although I haven't bought from his auctions since last year, I've always been a fan of his service and selection. The auction is going on right now: http://sterlingsportsauctions.com/catalog.aspx and there are a lot of nice items from all eras, and some hits for some of you guys who have tough lists! > I don't know him personally, but out of all the auction services I've worked with, Jay has done a topnotch job and is on of my favorites! He takes all forms of payment and you get your cards FAST! And, my feeling is sinceSterling is not REA, Goldin, or Goodwin (amongst other high end auction services), his prices stay rather low and you can get some nice deals. > Just trying to help out some of you guys who are looking for another avenue. Have a good weekend! > Jimi ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 21:53:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: WINTER 2016 AUCTION - BIDDING IS OPEN!!! From: Jimi Thayer Here's another one for you. Bagger's is another good auction, and I have met Dave and his wife several times as they do frequently do shows. His wife....seriously might be the nicest person I've ever met. Again, just trying to help you guys out finding other venues. Good luck everyone! Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Bagger's Auctions > Date: January 22, 2016 at 6:09:06 PM EST > To: Undisclosed Recipients > Subject: WINTER 2016 AUCTION - BIDDING IS OPEN!!! > We appreciate your interest. > If you have any questions or concerns, please call me at 513-248-0652 or simply reply to this message to send me an email. > Sincerely, > Dave Schrader > BaggersAuctions.com ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 22:38:28 -0500 To: bskp1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco From: mikesportsfan@aol.com As others mentioned there are 2 different years. From what I can tell 18 1953s and 6 1952s. The 1952 are numbered on the tab, so the ones you getwill be unnumbered. They look to be in decent shape. Commons can be found cheaper, but you got 2 Rizzuto's, Campanella and Musial. Overall a slight overpay as I would say OBC shopping would have been closer to $125. A few of us (Morganti and I lead the way) collect the date variations on the back. The June 1952s are much tougher than the March 1952s. While no book difference, that are sought after by some. Let us know when you post the lists and we will see if we can add to your total. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 23, 2016 5:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco Hey guys, help me out here. I don't have any of these and am not familiar with this set, but 3 hours ago I stumbled upon this auction and won: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item291661622780&rtnc&_trksidp2047675.l2565 Is it a good deal or bad? Not knowing the set, it was an impulsive bet. Thanks for your feedback. Best regards, ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2016 19:59:50 -0800 Subject: Re: Observations from a High school basketball game last night From: "George Vrechek" They probably have an app which tells them when they should look up to see an exciting play. I'm with you. It's like they aren't even there. ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 07:10:36 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en Thanks to all for the feedback. Best regards, In a message dated 01/23/2016 10:38:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: As others mentioned there are 2 different years. From what I can tell 18 1953s and 6 1952s. The 1952 are numbered on the tab, so the ones you get will be unnumbered. They look to be in decent shape. Commons can be found cheaper, but you got 2 Rizzuto's, Campanella and Musial. Overall a slight overpay as I would say OBC shopping would have been closer to $125.A few of us (Morganti and I lead the way) collect the date variations on the back. The June 1952s are much tougher than the March 1952s. While no book difference, that are sought after by some. Let us know when you post the lists and we will see if we can add to your Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: bskp1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 23, 2016 5:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1953 Red Man Tobacco Hey guys, help me out here. I don't have any of these and am not familiar with this set, but 3 hours ago I stumbled upon this auction and won: http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item291661622780&rtnc&_trk Is it a good deal or bad? Not knowing the set, it was an impulsive bet. Thanks for your feedback. Best regards, ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2016 15:22:21 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Joe Devlin--anyone ever hear of him? From: No church services today here in Raleigh, roads are all covered in ice. I'll miss seeing my 5h graders--I teach SS and have between 25 and 30 of them each week--highlight of me week. Main roads are ok, but all the side roads are sheets of ice. Went for a 5 mile run this morning and only saw 3 cars. At any rate, had a little free time and found a very interesting article. About the subject person. I'll admit, I had never heard of him. Surprising, considering these facts about him: Has the third lowest ERA for pitchers who have pitched 1000 innings or more (1.90) Won 30 games in back to back seasons Only 90 walks in over 1400 innings pitched Batted .318 one year with 92 hits And now, for the incredible stats: One year he led the league in games played, and only appeared as a pitcher And, incredible stat #1--he is the ONLY pitcher to have ever started every game his team played AND finished every game his team played, for the entire season--look up his 1877 season for Louisville. He pitched 599 innings (which was down from the previous year's 622 IP. Yet, the article was not about this as much as the fact that he is the reason for rule 21(d)--no betting on baseball, not the 1919 Black Sox. To read the whole article, go here. http://mobile.philly.com/beta?wss=/philly/sports/phillies&id=366271991 ================= Date: 24 Jan 2016 12:57:27 -0800 To: Subject: Any schedule collectors? From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 25 Jan 2016 05:35:04 -0800 To: Subject: Gentle reminder regarding post-1980 cards From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 25 Jan 2016 06:25:48 -0800 To: Subject: 1904 Fan Craze From: 233_23555@msn.com ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 09:30:24 -0500 To: 233_23555@msn.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1904 Fan Craze From: Jimi Thayer To my knowledge, there is only a 1906 Fan Craze AL and a 1906 Fan Craze NL set. At one point, I believe that they were once thought to have been madein 1904, and you can still find graded cards with the 1904 flips. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. :) Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2016, at 9:25 AM, 233_23555@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I picked up a number of trimmed Fan Craze cards while snowbound. The cards were listed as 1904, but I can only find 1906 in the SCD catalog. Is there a 1904 set? If so, is it comprised of the same players? Same valuation? Thanks, in advance, to the more experienced pre-war collectors in the group. > Thanks OBC, > Jim Craig ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:27:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Subject: Membership Poll results From: Tom Housley Thanks to Don Rice for conducting the annual Membership Poll. At their request, Carlos Alcazar & Dan Austin have been moved to Inactive Status. The following members did not respond to the poll & will be moved to Inactive Status unless they respond. To the following members: if you wish to remain active, you must either contact Don Rice, me, or post to Ramblings by the end of February: Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 08:34:49 -0700 To: Tom Housley , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership Poll results From: illini_grad_90 ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:45:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: My street From: Andy Three streets away from a plowed street... ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 10:53:00 -0500 To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership Poll results From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 11:50:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1974 Topps WAIVER WIRE! (Base, Red Team CLs, & Traded!) From: Jimi Thayer Please send address with any claims. 1974 Topps: #34, 89, 134, 153, 158, 161, 162, 162, 181, 190, 227, 248, 266,266, 266, 287, 320, 374, 381, 385, 437, 444, 466, 469, 474, 478, 493, 507,514, 524, 527, 557, 559, 581, 581, 597, 603, 603, 603, 607, 613, 622, 651 1974 Topps Team Checklists: One asterisks: Atlanta, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, Milwaukee, Minnesota, Philadelphia, San Francisco, St. Louis, Texas, Two asterisks: Atlanta, Atlanta, Chicago Cubs, ChiSox, Cincy, Detroit, Montreal, NY Mets, NY Yankees, Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh 1974 Topps Traded: #23, 42, 42, 42, 43, 59, 123, 123, 123, 123, 123, 139, 139, 175, 182, 182, 319, 348, 373, 373, 373, 373, 458, 486, 486, 486, 486, 496, 516, 534, 534, 612, 618, 618, 618, 618, 648, 649 Thanks for taking a look! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 13:02:49 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1904 Fan Craze From: Jimi Thayer Agreed! I will say this though, some are still tough to find. I need a Ban Johnson badly for my HOF RC Collection, and although I had one a few years ago, I know of only one other person who has one. But for the most part,yes, they come in mid to high grade a lot of the times, but I've owned plenty that had writing on them and rips. ;) Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2016, at 12:53 PM, familytoad@comcast.net wrote: > I agree with you Jimi. > They are pretty cool cards, and not much else available in either 04 or 06 if you like your cards as old as possible :-) > I had silly ideas once about chasing both sets but gave up wisely. They are often found in nice condition since they were distributed all at once. And relatively inexpensive for their age and the players represented, although let's face it...these aren't priced like 1974 Topps either LOL > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: 233 23555 > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: January 25, 2016 at 6:30 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1904 Fan Craze > To my knowledge, there is only a 1906 Fan Craze AL and a 1906 Fan Craze NL set. At one point, I believe that they were once thought to have been made in 1904, and you can still find graded cards with the 1904 flips. If I'm wrong, someone please correct me. :) > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2016, at 9:25 AM, 233_23555@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I picked up a number of trimmed Fan Craze cards while snowbound. The cards were listed as 1904, but I can only find 1906 in the SCD catalog. Is there a 1904 set? If so, is it comprised of the same players? Same valuation? Thanks, in advance, to the more experienced pre-war collectors in the group. > Thanks OBC, > Jim Craig ================= Date: 25 Jan 2016 17:35:23 -0800 To: Subject: A few 72s for the group From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2016 21:37:26 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A few 72s for the group From: Ed Hutchinson All 72s claimed! That was quick! On Mon, Jan 25, 2016 at 8:35 PM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > These are available- FCFS. Thanks! > Ed > 391 Sanders > 463 Carbo > 467 Kline > 491 Pinella Boyhood Photo > 589 Lanier ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 02:55:53 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: 1976 Topps Football set just added AND WAIVER WIRE! From: Jim Thayer Hey guys, I haven't added a new football set in at least a year, I don't think, so I decided to add one this evening. I am planning on adding more, but time has been an issue lately with adding new sets. In addition, I have some extras from the set, too, so CLAIM AWAY!!! 1976 Topps football WAIVERS: 24 Lanier, 42, 65, 101, 101, 102, 136, 147, 154, 161, 182, 186, 206, 218, 218, 227, 294, 294, 294, 295 Upshaw, 320, 343, 349, 416, 436, 441, 481, 504 Here's the new want list! The stack looked bigger than originally thought, so when I was making the set, I thought I'd need a lot less. WRONG! LOL Big want list here, folks! :) 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 25, 26, 28,30, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37, 38, 39, 41, 43, 44, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 53, 55, 56, 57, 58, 59, 60, 61, 62, 63, 64, 66, 67, 68, 69, 71, 72, 73, 74, 75, 76, 77, 78, 80, 82, 83, 85, 86, 88, 92, 94, 95, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 103, 105, 106, 108, 109, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 116, 117, 120, 121, 122, 123, 124, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 132, 133, 134, 135, 137, 139, 140, 142, 143, 144, 146, 148, 149, 151, 155, 156, 157, 158, 160, 162, 163, 164, 165, 167, 168, 169, 170, 171, 172, 173, 176, 177, 178, 179, 180, 184, 185, 187, 188, 192, 193, 194, 195, 196, 197, 199, 200, 201, 203, 204, 205, 207, 208, 209, 210, 211, 212, 214, 215, 216, 217, 220, 221, 222, 223, 225, 231, 232, 233, 234, 237, 240, 241, 244, 245, 246, 247, 248, 250, 252, 253, 254, 255, 256, 257, 259, 260, 261, 263, 264, 265, 266, 267, 268, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 278, 280, 281, 282, 283, 285, 286, 291, 292, 293, 296, 299, 300, 301, 302, 303, 305, 306, 307, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 319, 322, 323, 324, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 345, 346, 347, 348, 351, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 367, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 383, 384, 385, 386, 388, 389, 390, 392, 393, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400, 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 407, 408, 409, 410, 411, 412, 413, 414, 415, 417, 418, 419, 420, 421, 422, 423, 424, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 432, 434, 435, 437, 439, 440, 442, 445, 448, 449, 450, 451, 452, 453, 454, 455, 456, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 464, 465, 466, 467, 469, 470, 473, 474, 475, 476, 477, 478, 479, 480, 482, 483, 484, 486, 488, 489, 493, 494, 495, 496, 497, 498, 499, 500, 502, 503, 505, 506, 507, 508, 509, 510, 511, 512, 513, 515, 516, 517, 518, 521, 522, 523, 524, 526 Thanks for taking a look!Jimi ================= Date: 25 Jan 2016 20:59:40 -0800 To: Subject: Does anyone collect Topps wrappers? From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 00:00:24 -0500 Subject: a little inactive lately From: "Mark Holland" Just wanted to let you guys know that I have been a little inactive lately. I lost my Dad last week and things are not back to normal yet. Not sure that they ever will be. His health was failing but we were not expecting the turn of events that transpired. He was 84 and had a heart attack in late November. While in the hospital they said that his blood sugar was to the point that he needed dialysis 3 times a week. That was 2 strikes in one swing. Dialysis really took a toll on him but he was fighting through it. Fortunately I have been retired for a while and was able to pick him up and spend time with him. We really planned on things to do when he got his stamina up. One day about 2 weeks ago he came home from dialysis and was tired and decided to take a nap.not unusual for him even before dialysis. At 84 he deserved a few afternoon naps. When he got up from his nap he stood up and took a step. For whatever reason, he fell and broke his hip. The doctor said that he probably got up too fast and was lightheaded. So 911 hauls him to the emergency room where they determine that he has a broken hip and needs surgery. It took them a few days to get him to the point he could have surgery. On the morning of the surgery they gave him a dialysis treatment to "reset the clock" followed by surgery in the afternoon. When in the recovery room he talked to us for a few minutes before going back to sleep. Within the next few hours he was getting noticeably weaker and weaker. They finally told us that he had developed pneumonia and his lungs were filling up with fluids causing his oxygen levels to be low. He finally lost his battle on Sunday January 10th. I was with him for the last 37 hours. It is so tragic because we had so much left to say and do. One never knows when they will speak their last words to a loved one. Dad was a big Panther fan and even came around to liking Cam Newton. He always laughed when Cam made a kid smile by giving away a football after a touchdown. And my mom is staying in the house, trying to live alone even though she is 84 and can't drive. I go over there every day or so to check on her and try to keep her mind occupied. We haven't done anything with my Dad's stuff yet. Neither of us has any idea how to proceed. We just say "what would Dad want us to do" and go from there. Sorry for the ramble, it may not even be coherent but I needed to tell someone. So far I have kept it in the family but I needed to share with Mark Holland Vintage List & UV Sets to Trade ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 11:24:43 -0600 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Been off my game From: Aaron Shirley Hey guys, a while back I offered up a bunch of O-Pee-Chee and had a lot of claimers. I made a little progress then didn't get anything to the post office. Several days later I worked on them a little more, but still none mailed out. I guess I just wanted you all to know - I wasn't ignoring all the emails. I WILL get that stuff out. Soon... Aaron Shirley Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2016 20:00:06 +0000 Subject: Easy hits--football added From: Mac Wubben After sitting in the house for about 5 days...and throwing out my back shoveling a mountain of snow...I'm getting a little stir-crazy. After waiting about 20 years to add them to the wantlist, the topps football 65-79 lists have been added. If anybody has a starter set (or complete set) to trade, let me know...otherwise, here are the lists. Thanks in advance for any hits. Mac Wubben PO Box 23938 Washington DC 20026 1965 Topps (b 1/26/16) 1966 Topps (b 1/26/16) 2-8 10-13 15-20 22-29 31-50 52-55 57-61 63 64 66-68 70-72 74 75 78-81 83-9698-102 104-111 113 115-117 119-121 124-132 1967 Topps (b 1/26/16) 1-61 63-132 1968 Topps (b. 1/21/16) 1 2 5-7 10 12-13 15 25 27-29 34-35 39 46-49 52 55 59-60 62 68 74-75 77 79 85 88 89 100 101 104-106 110-111 117 118 121 124 126-132 140 144 149 153 157 159-162166 171 173 176 181 185 188 193-194 196 201 205 214 1972 Topps (b. 1/26/16) 4 8 19-19 24 29 30 34 37 39 40 42 46 48-51 55-58 62 65 67 69 70 74 75 77 79-81 83 86 87 91 93 95 96 98-101 104 106 107 109-111 115 120 122 123 127 130-133 135-140 143-148 150 152-154 156 158-160 162 164 165 167169-171 173-175 178-181 184-188 191 195-200 206-215 217 219 221-223 227 230 231 233 235 237-243 246-248 250-253 257 258 262-351 1974 Topps (b. 1/26/16) 1-7 9 10 12-16 18-22 24-26 28-33 36 37 39-42 44-49 51 53-67 69-73 75-77 79-81 83-87 89-93 95 97-101 103 105 107-118 120-135 137 140 141 143-146 148-166 168-185 188 189 193-195 197-200 203 205 209 211 214-221 225 226 228230-232 234-236 238-243 245-247 249-251 254 256-263 265 267 269 270 272 273 277 280 281 283 285-288 291 292 295 296 300 302-308 310-314 317-319 321-329 331-346 349-360 364-374 377 379-385 387 389-394 396-400 402-412 414-421 424-435 437-441 443-449 451-458 460-463 466-471 473-475 477-483 485 486 488-490 492 493 496-502 504-506 509 510 512 513 515 517 519 522 523 525 527 1975 Topps (b. 1/26/16) 1-8 10-15 17-37 39-55 57-67 69-71 73-82 84-86 88-95 97-100 102 104-110 112-123 125-128 130-139 141-143 145-173 175-179 181-193 195-219 221-224 226 227 229-239 241-251 253-264 266-294 297-308 310-318 320-334 336-351 353-361 363-378 380-417 419-447 450 452-477 479-485 487-491 493 494 496-506 509-516 518-528 1976 Topps (b. 1/26/16) 1-203 205-528 1977 Topps (b 1/26/16) 1979 Topps (b 1/26/16) 1-414 416-420 422-528 ================= Date: 26 Jan 2016 16:35:56 -0800 To: Subject: Base/Basket/Foot Waiver From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 08:12:59 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Super Bowl Pool? From: Larry Tipton Sean: Inquiring minds need to know.... Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 07:56:25 -0800 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl Pool? From: Stamper It's the main reason to watch the Superbowl. John Stamper On Jan 27, 2016, at 7:12 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Sean: Inquiring minds need to know.... > Guru > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 13:24:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tobaccos From: Shawn Smart For those interested http://longisland.craigslist.org/sdp/5421657238.html Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 19:49:06 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Waiver Wednesday.... From: chris tripler Ended up with an extra copy of "Before there was Bubble Gum" by Dean Hanley(of Dean's Cards) & Allyson Hamlin. It's a very interesting read, and quick too (only 50 pages long). Cheers OBC! ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:07:45 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Waiver Wednesday.... From: chris tripler we have a winner... ================= Date: 27 Jan 2016 17:04:51 -0800 To: Subject: Mixed Waiver Wire today From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:44:51 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Sweet 16 OBC SUPER bowl pool From: Sean McGowan it is that time! email me if you want in. For those of you who are new, the long and short of it is.... you get squares, and we all send cards to the 4 quarter winners. No pressure... send what you like or can afford... it is all in the spirit of OBC. This pool has been the driving force behind over 5700 OBC hits in the 15 previous years. Pretty cool. Check out the web site at http://sean-mcgowan.org/pool-15.htm and email me right away if you want in. Go OBC! ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:01:20 -0500 To: cetripler@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Following the Ebay saga of the 1971 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Complete? set of 75??? If they were in OBC they would know there is about 200 or so with the variations. Ken Morganti is closing in on all of them. I am over 100 myself. Ours may not be mint, but I wonder what our "complete sets +" would go for??? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Thu, Jan 21, 2016 3:09 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Following the Ebay saga of the 1971 Kellogg's...just, and to think, before I met you guys, I threw these things out... 1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL CARDS COMPLETE SET 1-75 MINT CONDITION 1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL CARDS COMPLETE SET 1-... 1971 KELLOGG'S BASEBALL CARDS COMPLETE SET 1-75 MINT CONDITION in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball | eBay View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo w/ two days to go! OBC 2015 ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:12:42 -0500 To: jehutch75@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any schedule collectors? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com A few of the FOOT folks are sked collectors. FOOT tends to see each other periodically either at a card show or getting together for a sporting event. You can always send skeds to any 1 of us and we will distribute to the others. Cuts down on postage. Ringleaders are Mark Talbot, Ron Perry and myself. Next FOOT gatherings are Friday, February 5 for College Hockey at the Joe (Louis Arena) between Michigan and Michigan State and then Sunday, February 14 for a card show where joe Denning will be in town and joiningus. Mike Rich 26020 Radclift Pl Oak Park, MI 48237 -----Original Message----- From: jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2016 3:57 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Any schedule collectors? I went to a minor league hockey game yesterday (Lake Erie Monsters) and I grabbed a small stack of schedules. If anyone could use one or two for theircollection, just ask! ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:32:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Subject: Tracking package issue advice From: Anthony Hello all I had ebay win sent via postal with tracking a month ago and the tracking has had it still in route for three weeks and seems stuck in one location. How do I go about getting them to find it? The seller is willing to reimburse but I really want the card more. Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 18:49:43 -0800 To: Anthony Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tracking package issue advice From: Rick Just had the same problem the package never made it out of his local post office after three weeks the seller said he would send another card. He had another one so he sent it and showed up in just a few days. Two days ago the original package showed up about six weeks after I bought it. But to get back to your question if it said it left the original post office it would be in transit to the next location like a sorting facility and no way to have someone find it. It will have to show up at a post office again before you can ask someone to look for it. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2016, at 6:32 PM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hello all > I had ebay win sent via postal with tracking a month ago and the trackinghas had it still in route for three weeks and seems stuck in one location. > How do I go about getting them to find it? > The seller is willing to reimburse but I really want the card more. > Suggestions > Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:25:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com, Subject: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, From: Tom Housley Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! Tom Housley ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 21:29:45 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: OBC Nick P Great addition! Thank you! Nick Pelletier > On Jan 27, 2016, at 9:27 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > wow that is great! thanks to all who worked on this > mark zentkovich > From: "Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com; OBC-AC@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:25 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets > Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! > If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. > Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. > However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you toindicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. > So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedbackon how this all works is also welcomed. > Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & setsince there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. > Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 22:30:59 -0500 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes From: Doug DeJong Awesome. Thanks Wayne! On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, > basketball, and hockey sets! > If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, > basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up > until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the > case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall > list and hunt. > Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so > that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some > 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily > search for who's collecting that specific set. > However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the > non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your > OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes > for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be > lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other > hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. > So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & > update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything > that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or > contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need > to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your > feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. > Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set > since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it > is. > Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne > gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:08:40 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: One set down, one set started... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Well, I finally found a 64 Clemente coin to ice that set (of course, all the variations!). First set of the year put to bed. Next up, I just picked up half the 1970 T football set for $30 bucks. Nice start, plus whatever I might have floating around my card closet. I should have my first football set posted this weekend. I received the White Letter Mantle. I gotta say, other than a small surface crease on the front and one on the back, this card is SWEET! I just saw this on ebay, so I may have to flip my 2.5 graded white Mantle LOL. Knock down a $1000 bucks per grade, add in the variation, I might be able to get me a good 52B Mickey! _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-500-Mickey-Mantle-YL-PSA-9-PSA-10-QUALIT (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-Topps-500-Mickey-Mantle-YL-PSA-9-PSA-10-QUALITY-YA BTW, any of you guys at the 2006 National? I know those of us there went to the Benchwarmers booth (yes, I got my picture with those hotties for my annual shot). I have a couple of the autograph cards, and am looking for the missing ones of the 6. Looking for autographs of the National Sports card show # 2, 3, 4. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 20:09:56 -0800 Subject: Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball From: "George Vrechek" Great addition. Thanks much to Wayne et al. Sets that are missing include Football: 1962 and 1963 Fleer, 1976-1980 Fleer in action football, 1962 Posts, all Topps hockey cards need to be listed, could include 1971 and 1972 Globetrotters basketball. There are also some small insert sets for Topps football and basketball which could get listed eventually Are we including post 1980 sets now? Several are listed. T218s are really not non-sports, but that's OK. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2016 23:15:47 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes footb... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en This also acts as a reminder to clean out the stuff you already completed (taking my own hint) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/27/2016 10:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Announcements-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Upuntil now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 00:30:28 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Snap, Crackle, and nothing From: Ken M   I hate Kelloggs. Their 1971 set - the only one that wasn't available via mail in offer, is a monumental task to complete with all the variations. All 75 cards come with or without the © 1970 on the back, plus a myriad of statistical changes that put the master set over 200 cards... That set that just sold on eBay for over two grand was ridiculousness. I was buying group lots a few years ago at about $3/card. I also bought (and later sold) complete and near complete sets in the $300 range (and they weren't all full of cracked cards either). But that's not what tonight's rant is about...  The 1979 set is turning out to be a similar horror story. I just won a group of 103 cards on eBay that arrived today. The big book I have lists a multitude of stat changes, similar to the '71 set. What it DOESN'T list is the placement of the ® symbol on the back. I've found a bunch of cards with the symbol on the knot in Tony the Tiger's scarf. However, most have it in the lower right ha nd corner of the box he's in. My theory is that the factory sets (which comprise a huge majority of the cards out there) have the ® in the corner, while the ones that you found in the cereal boxes have it on the scarf. I've also found cards with different team logos for the Phillies and Cardinals as well as other team logos with and without the ® next to them. So how many cards are in the 1979 Kellogg's master set? I have no flippin idea, but my guess is it could be between 150 and 200 cards out of a 60 card base set.  OK, back to my eBay purchase of 103 cards. I think there was a complete set in there, but I did pull out maybe a half dozen team logo variations. And how many cards out of the 103 had the ® symbol on the scarf? ONE - and it was one I already had. Grrrreat! Rant over. TAYL, Ken M - anyone have a 1979 Kellogg's list? I have a lot of dupes... and a near complete set I might DS to boot :-D Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 03:48:53 -0500 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: ShoelessWes You're a freak! This is awesome, thanks! Everybody lets hit Wayne Delia! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Announcements] wrote: > Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! > If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. > Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. > However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you toindicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. > So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedbackon how this all works is also welcomed. > Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & setsince there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. > Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:22:46 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] New & Improved "Who From: Ken M ..with cards, Wes. Hit Wayne with cards ...or hit Wayne's list. The thought of you coming to hit me would have me curled up in the fetal position in the corner of my basement. Relax Wayne, Wes doesn't *really* want everyone to hit you... I think :-D Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: ShoelessWes wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Jan 28, 2016 3:49 AMTo: Tom Housley;Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com;OBC-AC@yahoogroups.com;Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Announcements] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets Wayne,You're a freak! This is awesome, thanks!  Everybody lets hit Wayne Delia! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Announcements] wrote:   Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:14:21 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes footb... From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en A wonderful improvement. Can the names under each set be listed in alphabetical order? Best regards, In a message dated 01/27/2016 10:25:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Announcements-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Upuntil now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:59:15 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Gas House Gang article From: Ed Pike I have an interesting Gas House Gang vintage article that I am done reading; anyone else want to read it? Ed Pike ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:15:37 -0500 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: Anthony Just wonderful Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! > If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. > Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. > However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you toindicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. > So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedbackon how this all works is also welcomed. > Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & setsince there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. > Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:31:17 -0500 To: Anthony Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes From: Joel Freedman I entered my selections for "Hockey" but the when I check a box, it does not "save" my selection. Joel Freedman On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Just wonderful > Ant > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, > basketball, and hockey sets! > If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, > basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up > until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the > case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall > list and hunt. > Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so > that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some > 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily > search for who's collecting that specific set. > However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the > non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your > OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes > for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be > lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other > hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. > So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & > update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything > that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or > contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need > to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your > feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. > Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set > since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it > is. > Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne > gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! > Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:33:03 -0500 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: Anthony Same happen to me twice and still not listed. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 28, 2016, at 9:31 AM, Joel Freedman wrote: > I entered my selections for "Hockey" but the when I check a box, it does not "save" my selection. > Regards, > Joel Freedman >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Just wonderful >> Ant >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! >>> If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. >>> Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey sothat they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. >>> However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. >>> So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go &update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need tobe added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. >>> Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it >>> Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! >>> Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:33:24 +0000 (UTC) To: Joel Freedman , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes From: Mike Mackie Thanks Joel. I had the same experience. Mike Mackie Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 8:31 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] I entered my selections for "Hockey" but the when I check a box, it does not "save" my selection. Joel Freedman On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Just wonderfulAnt Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily searchfor who's collecting that specific set. However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile& update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:22:27 -0600 To: Joel Freedman , Anthony Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 10:42:27 -0500 To: jefreedman1@gmail.com, anthony.senthi@gmail.com, macknife13@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes From: Tom Housley Did you remember to click the "update profile" button after checking the boxes? Tom Housley -----Original Message----- From: Joel Freedman To: Anthony Cc: Tom Housley ; OBC Ramblings ; obc-announcements ; OBC-AC Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2016 9:31 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets I entered my selections for "Hockey" but the when I check a box, it does not "save" my selection. Joel Freedman On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Just wonderful Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily searchfor who's collecting that specific set. However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile& update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 07:45:00 -0800 Subject: Re: Snap, Crackle, and nothing From: "George Vrechek" I've collected everything under the sun, but for some reason have rationalized skipping the Kellogg sets. I think there is so much curled up plastic covering the cardboard that they are the plastic slip covered living room sofas of collecting, just butt ugly. The M&Ps finish a close second in ugliness but at least you can tell they are made from real cardboard. Nonetheless, I enjoy reading about what you guys collect.even the Kelloggs. If I find a curled up Kellogg variation, it will go to Ken. ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 08:37:08 -0800 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Snap, Crackle, and nothing From: Stamper The 73 Kelloggs set is cardboard. No plastic 3D on those. John Stamper On Jan 28, 2016, at 7:45 AM, "'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I=E2=99ve collected everything under the sun, but for some reason haverationalized skipping the Kellogg sets. I think there is so much curled upplastic covering the cardboard that they are the plastic slip covered living room sofas of collecting, just butt ugly. The M&Ps finish a close secondin ugliness but at least you can tell they are made from real cardboard. Nonetheless, I enjoy reading about what you guys collect=E2=A6even the Kelloggs. If I find a curled up Kellogg variation, it will go to Ken. > George ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 09:18:47 -0800 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: Rick It did it to me also. It saved my football but not my hockey. Did it twice.Rick Sent from my iPad > On Jan 28, 2016, at 7:42 AM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Did you remember to click the "update profile" button after checking the boxes? > Tom Housley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Freedman > To: Anthony > Cc: Tom Housley ; OBC Ramblings ; obc-announcements ; OBC-AC > Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2016 9:31 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets > I entered my selections for "Hockey" but the when I check a box, it does not "save" my selection. > Regards, > Joel Freedman >> On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Just wonderful >> Ant >> Sent from my iPad >> On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! >> If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. >> Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. >> However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you to indicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. >> So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anythingthat needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedback on how this all works is also welcomed. >> Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & set since there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way itis. >> Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Waynegets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! >> Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 13:12:55 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: Aaron Shirley Some of the new pages being discussed have post-1980 sets listed. Being oneof the youngest guys in the group, the early 80's have a special place forme, but... (shrug)... you know... Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2016, at 12:45 PM, Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I did. Several others tried and got the same result I did. Also my football and basketball sets worked just fine (done at the same time), but hockey did not. Points to a system issue rather than user error. > That said, this is a great enhancement. I know there are many other setsin these sports that could be added. I'll suggest 1974-76 Wonder Bread for Football whenever there is an opportunity. > Mike > From: "Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > To: jefreedman1@gmail.com; anthony.senthi@gmail.com; macknife13@prodigy.net > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com; OBC-AC@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 9:42 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets > Did you remember to click the "update profile" button after checking the boxes? > Tom Housley > -----Original Message----- > From: Joel Freedman > To: Anthony > Cc: Tom Housley ; OBC Ramblings ; obc-announcements ; OBC-AC > Sent: Thu, Jan 28, 2016 9:31 am > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets > I entered my selections for "Hockey" but the when I check a box, it does not "save" my selection. > Regards, > Joel Freedman > On Thu, Jan 28, 2016 at 9:15 AM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Just wonderful > Ant > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 27, 2016, at 10:25 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Great news for all of you who collect - and have dupes of - football, basketball, and hockey sets! > If you've ever used the Who Collects What link & selected football, basketball or hockey, you'd get a list of members who also collect them. Up until now, though, there was no way to search for specific years, as is the case with the baseball lists; you would just have to to a member's overall list and hunt. > Wayne Delia has just finished updating football, basketball & hockey so that they too can be searched by individual set. That means if I have some 1966 Philadelphia FB cards & I want to send out some RAOK, I can easily search for who's collecting that specific set. > However, for this to work properly, those of you who collect the non-baseball sports sets have to take the next step - that is, go to your OBC profile & update your collecting preferences. You'll find check boxes for you toindicate which sets you collect. Until you do so, you'll be lumped into the general "other football', "other basketball", and "other hockey" categories, so be sure to update your profiles. > So, take a look at the new & Improved Who Collects What page, then go & update your profile, which takes almost no time at all. If you see anything that needs to be fixed, added (sets), etc you can either let me know or contact Wayne directly. From what I saw, the Topps hockey sets still need to be added, but by the time you read this they may already be up.Your feedbackon how this all works is also welcomed. > Non-sports cards may prove to be difficult to individualize by year & setsince there are so many sets, so we may have to just keep that the way it is. > Congratulations and HUGE thanks to Wayne for making this possible!.Wayne gets an official "Attaboy!" and a virtual pat on the back! > Tom Housley ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "George Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 20:25:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Snap, Crackle, and nothing From: Taylor Schock Crease them up and break off the plastic. There is paper underneath. [😉] From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2016 10:45 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Snap, Crackle, and nothing I've collected everything under the sun, but for some reason have rationalized skipping the Kellogg sets. I think there is so much curled up plastic covering the cardboard that they are the plastic slip covered living room sofas of collecting, just butt ugly. The M&Ps finish a close second in ugliness but at least you can tell they are made from real cardboard. Nonetheless, I enjoy reading about what you guys collect...even the Kelloggs. If I find a curled up Kellogg variation, it will go to Ken. ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 14:46:27 -0600 To: Taylor Schock , Subject: Show George your crack! From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:29:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sad news From: Tom Housley Hi guys, I have sad news to pass along. We lost a member of our OBC family in late October. Scott Earle aka "The Detroit Squirrel", as he called himself, died October 27th. at the young age of 45. Scott first became an OBC member in March 2004. He left the group in 2006 but re-joined in May 2013. Here is the link to his on-line obituary. http://www.willandschwarzkoff.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id=3364435&fh_id=11925 We always say we are more than a bunch of people who have a common hobby; we're more like a family of brothers (and sometimes sisters), bonded through our love of cardboard but also by the friendships that we create with each other. We've lost a brother, and a friend. We'll miss you, Squirrel. R.I.P. Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 18:45:46 -0500 To: Tom Housley , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sad news From: JDahms ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2016 17:51:36 -0600 To: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sad news From: OBC Nick P RIP Squirrel......much to young Nick Pelletier > On Jan 28, 2016, at 5:29 PM, Tom Housley directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi guys, > I have sad news to pass along. We lost a member of our OBC family in lateOctober. > Scott Earle aka "The Detroit Squirrel", as he called himself, died October 27th. at the young age of 45. > Scott first became an OBC member in March 2004. He left the group in 2006but re-joined in May 2013. > Here is the link to his on-line obituary. > http://www.willandschwarzkoff.com/fh/obituaries/obituary.cfm?o_id3364435&fh_id11925 > We always say we are more than a bunch of people who have a common hobby;we're more like a family of brothers (and sometimes sisters), bonded through our love of cardboard but also by the friendships that we create with each other. We've lost a brother, and a friend. > We'll miss you, Squirrel. R.I.P. > Tom Housley ================= Date: 28 Jan 2016 21:29:37 -0800 To: Subject: eBay "hidden" deal on 1966T #591 From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:35:34 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: What's the difference in these two cards...T206 Sherry Magee... From: chris tripler Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card - PSA 1 PR *23344685 | | | | | | | | | | | Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card -...in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball | | | | View on www.ebay.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | &1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PSA 2 | | | | | | | | | | | 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRA...in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball | | | | View on www.ebay.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Besides about $8,820? There are some truly bizarre things that happen on ebay... Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= To: chris tripler , yahoogroups Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 09:41:08 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the difference in these two cards...T206 From: JAY TYSVER One is Spelled the other Jay Tysver To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 15:35:34 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the difference in these two cards...T206 Sherry Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card - PSA 1 PR *23344685 Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card -...in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, BaseballView on www.ebay.comPreview by Yahoo & 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PSA 2 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRA...in Sports Mem, Cards& Fan Shop, Cards, BaseballView on www.ebay.comPreview by Yahoo Besides about $8,820? There are some truly bizarre things that happen on ebay... Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 10:41:59 -0500 To: chris tripler Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the difference in these two cards...T206 From: Bob Donaldson One is spelled Magee, on is Magie. Big difference to some people. Not me :-) On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:35 AM, chris tripler cetripler@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card - PSA 1 PR *23344685 > [image: image] > Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card -... > in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo > & > 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PSA 2 > [image: image] > 1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRA... > in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball > View on www.ebay.com > Preview by Yahoo > Besides about $8,820? There are some truly bizarre things that happen on > ebay... > Chris Tripler > OBC 2015 ================= Date: 29 Jan 2016 08:20:05 -0800 To: Subject: Re: What's the difference in these two cards...T206 Sherry Magee... From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 29 Jan 2016 10:00:58 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: jwi62@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:28:07 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Anyone a registered bidderon Love of the Game? From: Patrick Prickett I'm not a registered user there, buy am interested in the W580 boxing cards. Anyone interested in splitting the lot? Anyone willing to place bid for ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:40:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Is it my imagination or what... From: Kent In the last year and now this year there seems to be more and more counterfeit cards as well as reprints being sold as originals. Last year I bought a 68 Topps Mantle which was a photocopied card which looked okay from the scans until I took it out of the slab it was in and looked closely and discoverd it was splitting in the middle of the card. I immediately noticed eBay. got my refund, and sent the card back to the seller. So, as I was still looking for the Mantle low and behold the scumbag seller was selling the same card again. I notified eBay about it and noticed later the item was no longer on eBay. So, being ever vigilant I went back and looked at the guys feedbacks and it appears he has been doing this for awhile. So, I called eBay again and asked why is this scumbag being allowed to sell on eBay with bad ratings as well as selling other bogus cards. The last thing I heard was they would look into it and never heard a thing back about it. The second card last year I got was a 71 Topps Greatest Moments Bob Gibson. When you looked at the scans the card was scuffed up and looked normal whatever that means and it was cheap. Anyway I get it in mail and pulled the card out of the plastic cover and right avway it does not feel right as I have other 71 Topps Greatest Moments to compare it to. The paper stock was too thin and the card had a glossy feeling to it. So, I notify the seller that he had stated the card was an original but it's not. Anyway the seller was nice enough to give me my refund and said to keep the card. I'm going to put in my counterfeit card binder. Anyway what bugs me is that that same seller had more 71 Topps Greatest Moments counterfeit cards listed. So, again I call eBay and notify them about the counterfeit cards that this guy is selling on eBay. Again the eBay customer service rep says we'll look into it and I never heard back. In today's mail arrives a 41 Playball Ted Williams which I purchased thru Beckett. I take it out of the slab that it is in and right away it feel wrong. The paper stock is too thin and a little too glossy looking to.. This is definately a reprint if I ever saw one. So, I call Beckett and they say I will be refunded and to send the card back which I will promptly do. Well enough venting as I'm normally the mild-mannerled Clark Kent. Oh that's right that's the other fictional guy. LOL ================= To: Kent , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 19:48:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it my imagination or what... From: Yaz That was just depressing, Kent. Greg (yaz) On 1/29/2016 6:40 PM, Kent kwg0@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > In the last year and now this year there seems to be more and more > counterfeit cards as well as reprints being sold as originals. Last > year I bought a 68 Topps Mantle which was a photocopied card which > looked okay from the scans until I took it out of the slab it was in > and looked closely and discoverd it was splitting in the middle of the > card. I immediately noticed eBay. got my refund, and sent the card > back to the seller. So, as I was still looking for the Mantle low and > behold the scumbag seller was selling the same card again. I notified > eBay about it and noticed later the item was no longer on eBay. > So, being ever vigilant I went back and looked at the guys feedbacks > and it appears he has been doing this for awhile. So, I called eBay > again and asked why is this scumbag being allowed to sell on eBay with > bad ratings as well as selling other bogus cards. The last thing I > heard was they would look into it and never heard a thing back about it. > The second card last year I got was a 71 Topps Greatest Moments Bob > Gibson. When you looked at the scans the card was scuffed up and > looked normal whatever that means and it was cheap. Anyway I get it in > mail and pulled the card out of the plastic cover and right avway it > does not feel right as I have other 71 Topps Greatest Moments to > compare it to. The paper stock was too thin and the card had a glossy > feeling to it. So, I notify the seller that he had stated the card was > an original but it's not. Anyway the seller was nice enough to give me > my refund and said to keep the card. I'm going to put in my > counterfeit card binder. Anyway what bugs me is that that same seller > had more 71 Topps Greatest Moments counterfeit cards listed. So, again > I call eBay and notify them about the counterfeit cards that this guy > is selling on eBay. Again the eBay customer service rep says we'll > look into it and I never heard back. > In today's mail arrives a 41 Playball Ted Williams which I purchased > thru Beckett. I take it out of the slab that it is in and right away > it feel wrong. The paper stock is too thin and a little too glossy > looking to.. This is definately a reprint if I ever saw one. So, I > call Beckett and they say I will be refunded and to send the card back > which I will promptly do. > Well enough venting as I'm normally the mild-mannerled Clark Kent. Oh > that's right that's the other fictional guy. LOL > Kent > kwg0@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:48:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCT , Subject: Looking for a 1975 TCMA Jim Leyland From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I'm looking for a 1975 TCMA Clintonville Pilots #1 Jim Leyland card for my future HOF collection. Does anyone have one lying around? Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 29 Jan 2016 20:04:32 -0800 To: Subject: Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes football, basketball, & hockey by years & sets From: jwi62@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 22:20:25 -0600 To: jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:13:41 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the difference in these two cards...T206 Sherry Ma... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Contrary to popular belief, I will not be starting the T206 set and go for all the variations... I'm having enough trouble picking off the ones on my Topps list... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/29/2016 10:42:04 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: One is spelled Magee, on is Magie. Big difference to some people. Not me :-) On Fri, Jan 29, 2016 at 10:35 AM, chris tripler _cetripler@yahoo.com_ (mailto:cetripler@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: _Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card - PSA 1 PR *23344685_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherry-Magie-Magee-1909-T206-Piedmont-Baseball-Card (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherry-Magie-Magee-1909-T206-Piedmont-Baseball-Card-PSA-1-PR-23344685-/231751741026?hashitem35f57aee62:g:6LkAAOSwNSxVbert&= _Sherry Magie Magee 1909 T206 Piedmont Baseball Card -..._ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherry-Magie-Magee-1909-T206-Piedmont-Baseball-Card-PSA-1-PR-233446 in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball _View on www.ebay.com_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Sherry-Magie-Magee-1909-T206-Piedmont-Baseball-Card-PSA-1-PR-23344685-/231751741026?hashitem35f57aee62 Preview by Yahoo _1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRAIT PSA 2_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-150-SHERRY-MAGEE-PORTRAIT-PSA-2-/172046985204?ha (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-150-SHERRY-MAGEE-PORTRAIT-PSA-2-/172046985204?hashitem280ecca7f4:g:GjAAAOSwo3pWeu7L&nmatrue&si= _1909-11 T206 PIEDMONT 150 SHERRY MAGEE PORTRA..._ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-150-SHERRY-MAGEE-PORTRAIT-PSA-2-/172046985204?hashit in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball _View on www.ebay.com_ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1909-11-T206-PIEDMONT-150-SHERRY-M Preview by Yahoo Besides about $8,820? There are some truly bizarre things that happen on Chris Tripler OBC 2015 ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:27:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it my imagination or what... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I tell you what, it does get more and more scary as I am getting to the higher end cards on some of the sets I'm collecting. I want a raw 52B Mantle, but I have gotten better at noticing what a real one is (more so than what is a fake). You see this talk around net54 also. The worst part is that we can't even trust the grading companies. I have seen a BUNCH of 67 Seaver's. Some going as "real", but if you look at the scans, you can see color is wrong, the way the paper wear is not in keeping with older cards. It really does put a damper on collecting sometimes :-( ! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/29/2016 7:40:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: In the last year and now this year there seems to be more and more counterfeit cards as well as reprints being sold as originals. Last year Ibought a 68 Topps Mantle which was a photocopied card which looked okay from the scans until I took it out of the slab it was in and looked closely and discoverd it was splitting in the middle of the card. I immediately noticed eBay. got my refund, and sent the card back to the seller. So, as I was still looking for the Mantle low and behold the scumbag seller was selling the same card again. I notified eBay about it and noticed later the item was no longer on eBay. So, being ever vigilant I went back and looked at the guys feedbacks and it appears he has been doing this for awhile. So, I called eBay again and asked why is this scumbag being allowed to sell on eBay with bad ratings as well as selling other bogus cards. The last thing I heard was they would look into it and never heard a thing back about it. The second card last year I got was a 71 Topps Greatest Moments Bob Gibson. When you looked at the scans the card was scuffed up and looked normal whatever that means and it was cheap. Anyway I get it in mail and pulled the card out of the plastic cover and right avway it does not feel right as I have other 71 Topps Greatest Moments to compare it to. The paper stock was too thin and the card had a glossy feeling to it. So, I notify the seller that he had stated the card was an original but it's not. Anyway the seller was nice enough to give me my refund and said to keep the card. I'm going to put in my counterfeit card binder. Anyway what bugs me is that that same seller had more 71 Topps Greatest Moments counterfeit cards listed. So, again I call eBay and notify them about the counterfeit cards that this guy is selling on eBay. Again the eBay customer service rep says we'll look into it and I never heard back. In today's mail arrives a 41 Playball Ted Williams which I purchased thru Beckett. I take it out of the slab that it is in and right away it feel wrong. The paper stock is too thin and a little too glossy looking to.. This definately a reprint if I ever saw one. So, I call Beckett and they say I will be refunded and to send the card back which I will promptly do. Well enough venting as I'm normally the mild-mannerled Clark Kent. Oh that's right that's the other fictional guy. LOL ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 00:37:38 -0500 To: jwi62@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes footb... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Hey Joe, Noticed something else with the listings. I pulled up the football section and I am listed under all my baseball sets (ie- I see listings for say 1959 Topps and I am listed there, but I am not collecting 1959 Topps Seems the code is picking up the Topps 1959 regardless of what sport. Maybe we have to change the title in the check box to something like 1959 Topps F, and the listing also? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/29/2016 11:04:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey folks, I read an earlier request to list the entries alphabetically, so I performed a bit of code magic and request completed. With the names now alphabetized and upon closer inspection, I noticed some multiple entries in categories. I am in the process of repairing these double entries, but until I figure this out, there is a workaround. If you notice your name is duplicated in one of the categories, go into your member profile and uncheck the entry, then select Update Profile. This will remove the duplicate and should not affect your listing in Who Collects What. If there are any questions or comments, please let me know. Joe I ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 01:05:06 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now From: Ken M Whew! I haven't made any changes to my profile, but when I pulled up the football page I was shocked to discover I was suddenly collecting the 1950 Bowman football set. I woulda blamed Sal anyway, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 12:37 AMTo: jwi62@hotmail.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes footb... Hey Joe, Noticed something else with the listings. I pulled up the football section and I am listed under all my baseball sets (ie- I see listings for say 1959 Topps and I am listed there, but I am not collecting  1959 Topps Football). Seems the code is picking up the Topps 1959 regardless of what sport. Maybe we have to change the title in the check box to something like 1959 Topps F, and the listing also? Sal Domino OBC - 1992  In a message dated 1/29/2016 11:04:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes:  Hey folks, I read an earlier request to list the entries alphabetically, so I performed a bit of code magic and request completed.  With the names now alphabetized and upon closer inspection, I noticed some multiple entries in several categories.  I am in the process of repairing these double entries, but until I figure this out, there is a workaround.  If you notice your name is duplicated in one of the categories, go into your member profile and uncheck the entry, then select Update Profile.  This will remove the duplicate and should not affect your listing in Who Collects What. If there are any questions or comments, please let me know. Joe I ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 03:29:25 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1979 Kellogg's Update From: Ken M   OK, I fell asleep with the kids and now I'm awake at 3 AM with nothing to do... except go through my 1979 Kellogg's set - again. I put together a near set from my dupes (and sold it already). I also hit lists from about 7 others who sent them to me. I probably won't get them in the mail until Tuesday though.  I now need the more common version of #17 McCovey for my set, plus (after crossing off the ones promised to me) the following numbers with the ® symbol in Tony's scarf:1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 11 12 13 17 18 20 22 24 28 29 31 35 36 37 38 40 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 50 52 53 54 55 56 57 58  A couple people checked their sets and none of us could find cards 56(Rau) or 57(Monday) with any registered symbols at all. I think the stat variations that have been on my list all this time are also the scarf ® versions. I just won a Reggie on eBay like that and I'm waiting on a Driessen in the mail to 'confirm' my theory, as all the other stat variations are also on that list above, so I won't bother listing the numbers again.  Now there's even MORE variations with the team logos (isn't this FUN?!?) that I'm not going to begin with... yet. I have noticed that the ones without any copyright symbols are tougher to find, although I haven't found any Red Sox or Astros WITH them yet. If I ever finish this set, I will probably hold a ceremony in which I burn a pile of cereal and Pop-Tarts boxes. I may do that anyway... Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 30 Jan 2016 09:18:47 -0800 To: Subject: If I picked these up, could someone use them? From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:41:39 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Got my first "Fire" Trucks today!! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I am pleased to announce that I have officially started my HOMer collectiontoday with my first Virgil "Fire" Trucks that arrived today! I picked up a 1955 Armour Coin GREEN in a PSA 7 holder, and this actually marks my first ever Armour Coin, too. :) My want list is right here: https://sites.google.com/site/jimivintagecards/home/virgil-trucks-needs if anyone if interested in checking it out. Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 12:53:12 -0500 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Got my first "Fire" Trucks today!! From: Mike Galbreath I can send you the 56 Topps On Sat, Jan 30, 2016 at 12:41 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey guys, > I am pleased to announce that I have officially started my HOMer > collection today with my first Virgil "Fire" Trucks that arrived today! I > picked up a 1955 Armour Coin GREEN in a PSA 7 holder, and this actually > marks my first ever Armour Coin, too. :) > My want list is right here: > https://sites.google.com/site/jimivintagecards/home/virgil-trucks-needs > if anyone if interested in checking it out. Thanks! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:37:55 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some late '70s FB cards on the WAIVER WIRE! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I put together that '76T FB set and unloaded some extras from my last waiver wire to a couple OBCers, and I still have a couple left along with some others. Have at it and please send your address! :) 1975 Wonder Bread #11 Pearson 1976 Topps 101 Logan, 218 Garrett, 294 McNeill 1978 Fleer Team Action #12, 14, 32 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 30 Jan 2016 13:28:42 -0800 To: Subject: Vintage card shops in Dallas? From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 15:45:06 -0700 To: obc ramblings Subject: Baseball blog From: James Silva Hello my peoples, I am a retired guy now and that means I am doing stuff that I have wanted to do for a long time. One of those things is writing - especially baseball writing. I was a writing major in college so naturally I became a teacher as I am desirous of food and shelter. I recently finished a piece on my boys- the A=E2=99s. Unsure of what to do with it, I decided to start a blogfor my baseball writing until I come up with a better idea of what to do with my writing. Here is the link: http://redseamdreams.blogspot.com/ I am still working on the site=E2=99s look so you might notice changes if you look and come back in five minutes. My wife has already informed me that the background picture is annoying so there=E2=99s that! If you havea chance, and are interested, please take a look. I would be happy to hearcomments from some of the biggest baseball fans on the planet - yes, that=E2=99s you guys. There is only one post so far - a pretty long analysisof the 2016 A=E2=99s which I already have to update due to various transactions) but I am working on more teams. One of my buddies is working on the Padres, and I have started on the Rockies and Mets. There is almost no way in hell that I will get to all the teams before opening day, but I=E2=99m going to give it a shot. Anyway - thank you, Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 01:32:21 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Does anyone collect Topps wrappers? From: Nathan Mack A few more wrappers if anyone is interested in a 77 Topps wrapper for theirset! Glad to pass them out to you guys! Thanks,Nate Mack I collect old cardboard: My trading page: http://natesbaseballcardtradingco.weebly.com/index.html Thanks for looking! ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:03:08 -0500 To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Similar issue with me. I have yet to change anything in my profile for theadditional sports added, but I am listed in a few sets. As for adding moresets, it gets difficult to add every set imaginable, unless of course you are looking at my wantlist. Maybe some categories such as Wonder Bread, Topps Inserts, Oddball or Other. I think there are some sets that should be separated, such as 1972 Topps FB, into the set and for hi #s only. This also would apply to some BB issues (1952, 1966 & 1967 come to mind). Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 1:05 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes Whew! I haven't made any changes to my profile, but when I pulled up the football page I was shocked to discover I was suddenly collecting the 1950 Bowman football set. I woulda blamed Sal anyway, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------ From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Sat, Jan 30, 2016 12:37 AM To: jwi62@hotmail.com;OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes Hey Joe, Noticed something else with the listings. I pulled up the football sectionand I am listed under all my baseball sets (ie- I see listings for say 1959 Topps and I am listed there, but I am not collecting 1959 Topps Football). Seems the code is picking up the Topps 1959 regardless of what sport. Maybewe have to change the title in the check box to something like 1959 Topps F, and the listing also? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/29/2016 11:04:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Hey folks, I read an earlier request to list the entries alphabetically, so I performed a bit of code magic and request completed. With the names now alphabetized and upon closer inspection, I noticed some multiple entries in several categories. I am in the process of repairing these double entries, but until I figure this out, there is a workaround. If you notice your name is duplicated in one of the categories, go into your member profile and uncheck the entry, then select Update Profile. This will remove the duplicate and should not affect your listing in Who Collects What. If there are any questions or comments, please let me know. Joe I ================= Date: 30 Jan 2016 21:35:26 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes footb... From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2016 23:10:09 -0800 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New & Improved "Who Collects What" now includes footb... From: Stamper What has to be done is the Baseball or Football have to be renamed. Having for example 1970 Topps under both Baseball and Football joins the lists together. This happens to our name and also to the checklists. When you pull up the list for 1970 Baseball you also get 1970 Football. The set names should be changed. Just adding BB or FB will fix this issue. John Stamper On Jan 30, 2016, at 9:35 PM, "uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Same thing is happening to me. I don't collect any other sports besides baseball, but my name is all over the football lists now. > But let me be perfectly clear: I'm only mentioning this because I wish tohelp you understand what may be causing the problem, and thus improve the site. I am VERY appreciative of the work going into this expansion. > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 31 Jan 2016 07:13:17 -0800 To: Subject: 81 Donruss Waiver Wire From: nmack03@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 17:58:58 -0500 To: OBC Thanks , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hilliard Card Show results! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Just in from the Hilliard Card Show that is run by JD Heckathorn (OBC Friendly Dealer), and thought I'd give a nice report. I had a great time meeting up with OBCers TOM HOUSLEY and WES SHEPARD againtoday! Tom passed over some '61T RAOKs and he even spotted a nice '58T Virgil Trucks for my HOMer collection! I finally met OBC Friendly dealer MARK SMITH as well and he is certainly top notch! WHAT DID I PICK UP? Well, I kind of cheated a little....or A LOT! I endedup BUYING a complete 1952 Topps Wings set off of one of my NOW favorite dealers, TODD RILEY, who was dealing primarily non-sports sets! Let's just say he appreciated my business! :) If you are a serious non-sports collector, I'll gladly pass on his website or e-mail to you. He was great to work with and I can't believe I bought this set!! I'm going to have lots of dupes, so I will check peoples' lists soon! In addition, from his table, I picked up 26 hits to my '52T Look 'N' See set, a set that doesn't see much action anymore, and these were beauties that I got for a good price. I also got a '56T President Van Buren, 7 complete '80s on up non-sports sets for next to nothing (most are movies that I love), and probably my favorite of the bunch.....a 1929 Men of America Judge Kenesaw Mountain Landis rookie formy HOF RC Collection! Love it! Finally, off of JD HECKATHORN's table, I was able to complete my '73T Blue Team CL two asterisks set (still need a few one asterisk though), a couple of '68T Game cards (down to needing the Mantle), a '73T managers variation,and a '65T Morgan RC! I'm tapped out from buying for now. The wife let me do this shopping today, so I feel very blessed to have her! And....very blessed to be part of this hobby and catch up with my cardboard buddies! OBC RULES! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 20:16:59 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1977 BK Pinella SP From: Ken M http://m.ebay.com/itm/1977-Topps-Burger-King-Lou-Piniella-PSA-7-23-Yankees-Short-Print-/291668953535?nav=SEARCH (Hope that link works)I've seen this card on a lot of want lists for this set. Did I catch a lot of people napping or did I overpay? I honestly thought it was going to sell for double what I paid. There's a PSA 9 that some fool wants $400 BIN, so going by that I got a steal :-) And yes, the card will be set free from it's plastic tomb very shortly after arrival. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2016 21:24:29 -0500 To: VCT , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: 1979 Topps The Black Hole starter set available From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I bought a complete 1979 Topps "The Black Hole" set today at a card show, so the one I was working on is now available. I have 46 cards (over half the set) that are mostly midgrade, but there are a couple stinkers in it including a marked checklist. I'll gladly look at lists if you have one, or send out the whole thing to someone wanting to start it. LMK! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 31 Jan 2016 19:35:27 -0800 To: Subject: Columbus Show wrap From: directorth@aol.com