================= Date: 01 Apr 2015 03:48:03 -0700 To: Subject: 1952 Reprints From: bskp1@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 07:06:30 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: OBC Hats From: SquirreL I still have the 1 st, the original hat with the home plate --Scott Earle -- Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 08:42:24 -0400 To: detroitsquirrel@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Hats From: biggies@aol.com Content-Language: en Not sure I ever got 1 but I'd love to have it for shows, can I buy 1? Thanks, Bob Bannon In a message dated 4/1/2015 7:06:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I still have the 1 st, the original hat with the home plate --Scott Earle -- Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 01 Apr 2015 08:49:59 -0700 To: Subject: Help recovering wantlists From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:53:26 -0400 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: OBC Hats From: Jimi Thayer I wouldn't cry if I had an OBC T-Shirt. :) Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:03 AM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I had the crazy idea to do an OBC t-shirt... and bring the ones I could to the National. These would be in the neighborhood of $8... or less, depending on how many we order. Would there be significant interest for me to pursue a design? > Aaron Shirley ================= To: "bskp1@aol.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 12:00:08 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Reprints From: Taylor Schock Specifically on the second link to the ebay store. I doubt they were offered by Topps, but I bet Topps would be interested in this. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 03:48:03 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Reprints Have a look: http://www.ebay.com/itm/361244115556?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT Does anyone know the background/history behind reprints like this one? They're obviously not the 1983 Reprint set. And, how can you tell this is a reprint? For that matter, there's a Seller who seems to market all manner of reprints: http://stores.ebay.com/omaopascardstore/REPRINTS-/_i.html?_fsub9736882013 Are these forgeries or authorized by Topps? From the scans alone, I can't tell that they're reprints. Thanks. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 14:15:51 -0400 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: OBC Hats From: LUURSCJG@aol.com i would second the motion for shirt my original one has a few threads holding up the holes -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: uthminsta Cc: Sent: Wed, Apr 1, 2015 10:54 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: OBC Hats I wouldn't cry if I had an OBC T-Shirt. :) Sent from my iPad On Apr 1, 2015, at 12:03 AM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> I had the crazy idea to do an OBC t-shirt... and bring the ones I could to the National. These would be in the neighborhood of $8... or less, depending on how many we order. Would there be significant interest for me to pursue a design? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 01 Apr 2015 13:33:15 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: OBC Hats [1 Attachment] From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 21:51:38 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Hats From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Hahaaa Scott, that was the SECOND hat. The original was done by I believe John Edward back in the day. The pic is a personally signed of Jim Pagliarulo. He said his greatest moment in baseball was shaking Ted's hand at home plate after his last HR. BTW, those last hats from Guru are really nice. Comfortable and look good. You can spot them from Row 1500 to 900 at the National. They are fitted, but as I lose hair they tend to become looser on my head! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/1/2015 7:06:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I still have the 1 st, the original hat with the home plate --Scott Earle -- Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 09:40:53 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: OBC Hats From: SquirreL Now that you mention it, yes, I have the 2nd hat...with pins!!! --Scott' SquirreL' Earle-- Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 15:10:18 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2015 NCAA Brackets From: Joel Freedman Can someone send the brackets as we head into the final weekend of the ================= Date: 02 Apr 2015 13:44:16 -0700 To: Subject: Got 1964? Want 1964? From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 19:42:41 -0400 To: OBC ramblings Subject: Milestone From: Anthony Hello all I finally got my last card for the 61 topps set which was a ride in all by itself. But this officially complete the entire decade. Though it would never Anthony arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:06:03 -0400 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Hats From: JEdward@aol.com Content-Language: en Sal, just to set the record straight, I was the culprit that did the FIRST hat. OBC was a much more informal group back then with around 60 or 70 members. I think I had something like 75 hats made up and tried to get one sent to each member. I thought it would help us recognize each other at card shows. It's nice to see there's still a few kicking around out there. John Edward McLaughlin In a message dated 4/1/2015 9:51:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hahaaa Scott, that was the SECOND hat. The original was done by I believe John Edward back in the day. The pic is a personally signed of Jim Pagliarulo. He said his greatest moment in baseball was shaking Ted's hand at home plate after his last HR. BTW, those last hats from Guru are really nice. Comfortable and look good. You can spot them from Row 1500 to 900 at the National. They are fitted, but as I lose hair they tend to become looser on my head! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/1/2015 7:06:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I still have the 1 st, the original hat with the home plate --Scott Earle -- Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:07:07 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Soaking E121 From: Bob Donaldson I am in negotiations to hopefully by a 1922 bank savings book with E121s (or W571-1s) that are glued on. I am assuming the glue is from circa 1922. Any thoughts on how well these cards might soak off from the book's pages? Bob Donaldson Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 21:18:53 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Version #1 OBC hats From: Larry Tipton ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 23:44:55 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: For you non sports collectors of the Monkees/// From: ChicoD1@aol.com _http://www.ebay.com/itm/301553471062?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/301553471062?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 23:40:57 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Milestone From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Well done Ant! What was the last card? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/2/2015 7:49:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hello all I finally got my last card for the 61 topps set which was a ride in all by itself. But this officially complete the entire decade. Though it would never happen. Anthony arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 02 Apr 2015 22:54:20 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 285 I am winning From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 11:46:48 -0400 Subject: An amazing book on the Goodwin company and cards From: Taylor Schock For those Net54 lurkers who don't check out the 19th century BST section, you may have not seen the following: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t200164 For all of us who love cards, early baseball, early baseball photography, and who may be lucky if they ever own just a single Old Judge card, this book is simply the bee's knees. I just wanted to let others know who might be interested but missed the offer at a really good price. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:04:12 -0500 To: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Milestone From: john harrell Congrats Ant!! That indeed is an awesome project to complete. On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:16 AM, Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I agree. 1961, 1966, and 1967 especially are very tough to complete and > require a lot of patience to get thru the high numbers. My 1960s list is > down to four presently - 1962 Gibson and Rookie Parade #598 and 1963 Rose > and Stargell rookies. Aiming to finish the '62 set by or at National. > Congrats Ant! > Mike Mackie > ------------------------------ > *From:* "familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* Anthony ; OBC ramblings < > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Friday, April 3, 2015 12:02 AM > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Milestone > That's awesome! > Some may argue that the 60's are harder to complete than the 50's. > I know I am finding that to be the case. > Nice job, Ant! > OBC Forever > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: *OBC ramblings > *Sent: *April 2, 2015 at 4:48 PM > *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] Milestone > Hello all > I finally got my last card for the 61 topps set which was a ride in all by > itself. But this officially complete the entire decade. Though it would > never happen. > Ant > Anthony arbeeny > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 16:48:40 -0500 To: "" Subject: Prewar Trade list posted From: john harrell In an attempt to make some headway on my prewar sets I've posted my prewar availables on my wantlist page. If you see something you like let me know. https://sites.google.com/site/bamaswantlists/ ================= Date: 03 Apr 2015 15:56:32 -0700 To: Subject: How great is OBC? From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 08:39:07 -0400 Subject: eBay search question From: "Mark Holland" I have been unable to set up my 1959 Topps eBay saved search. Look at the sample below. I searched for cards 1, 8 & 10). Look what it is pulling up, card 127 & 311. All of my other searches work fine. There is clearly something that I am missing here. Anybody see it? And share the corrective Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= To: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 08:43:05 -0400 Subject: eBay search question From: "Mark Holland" I have been unable to set up my 1959 Topps eBay saved search. Look at the sample below. I searched for cards 1, 8 & 10). Look what it is pulling up, card 127 & 311. All of my other searches work fine. There is clearly something that I am missing here. Anybody see it? And share the corrective Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= To: Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 08:43:37 -0400 Subject: Recall: eBay search question From: "Mark Holland" Mark Holland would like to recall the message, "eBay search question". ================= Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 08:51:38 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Mashi Murakami Kickstarter ends tomorrow From: Robert Fitts Hi OBCers One last =93spam=94 for my Kickstarter campaign Tomorrow is the last day to get great Murakami signed prizes from my Kickstarter campaign to raise funds to bring Mashi to the US this summer. We havereached our original goal but are still a long way from covering all the expenses so every little bit helps. Don't miss out on copies of Mashi signedby Masanori Murakami, signed baseball, cards and have dinner with Mashi. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1720383723/mashi-masanori-murakami-biography-and-book-tour ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 10:01:11 -0500 To: "" Subject: Additional Prewar need From: john harrell In my previous email I forgot to include my top need, 33 World Wide Gum English only back #73 and #78. I've been looking for just these two for over 4 years. ================= Date: 04 Apr 2015 13:10:22 -0700 To: Subject: Some various waivers- multi sport From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 17:02:33 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Guru Reverse Auction Waiver From: Larry Tipton 1967 Topps baseball Pin-Up #6 Mickey Mantle As you know these paper inserts were folded and included with the 1967 Topps baseball wax packs. This Mantle is in two pieces as it has separated along one of the folds. I think a piece of scotch tape would do the job:) It might be close to separating into four pieces along the folds:) Break out thetape! Anyway email me at larrytipton@windstream.net if you want it. If I get morethan one request I will draw names out of my OBC hat. This Reverse Auction Waiver closes Monday AM when I check my email! ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 17:19:46 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waiver 1971 Topps Football "Pin-Ups" From: Larry Tipton 1971 Topps Football "Pin-Ups" (inserts) starter set: 14 diff of 32 in this set. Bob Hayes, Sonny Jurgensen, John Brodie, Merlin Olsen, John Unitas included. LMK if you want to start this set! ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 17:48:09 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: ncaa thanks From: biggies@aol.com Thanks out to Gersh for a great variation, a tough to find 61 Topps Billy Consolo with a print error. Thanks Gersh! Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 18:49:32 -0400 To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1962 Post availables From: biggies@aol.com Hello one and all, Hope all is well and a very Happy Easter and Passover to all. I have these 1962 Posties available, they are all box cuts, most in VG Let me know if you need any of these. Thanks, Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 18:50:09 -0700 To: "" Subject: What's the chances From: Rick I was looking at my lists couple weeks back and three of my basketball setswere at one card and the 73 football was at four cards. They were all pretty cheap so I bought them checked the basketball set for true completion and yep no gremlins. Look thru the 73 football and half way thru an extra gene Washington better than a gremlin. Get towards the end and there it is a missing card. So my now completed set is no longer complete again so I look up the number I'm missing it happens to be the other gene Washington! I go strictly by numbers so I don't know who I'm missing in my sets unless I look them up so how is it possible for this to happen the numbers aren't even close to being the same. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 19:10:37 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 52 topps photo and Waiver wire cards... From: Brandon Wax Not sure if this picture has made the rounds of OBC yet, but i came across this picture of 52 topps bubble gum cards for sale, i think at a woolworths department store. Thought it was pretty neat. And now for the free cards, claim away! please include address and i probably wont send anything until monday. 1960 topps baseball: 20, 25 38, 48, 53, 48, 69,80,84, 88,90,110,112,281,284,286,431,438 1969 topps football: 157, 223, 242 1961 topps baseball: 181 1965 topps baseball: 104 marked checklist ================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 01:07:06 -0400 To: "" Subject: Milton Bradley identify From: Wes Shepard So milton bradley makes their board/baseball card game indeed, yes. Howeverthe 1969 and 1972 cards are literally identical, except just one thing.... According to my 2011 scd catalog, the 72's will have a red " line 1 " on the back, the 69's do not. Fair enough. Except i found that my 69 steve carlton is not listed in the catalog with the 69s, just the 72s. To make it worse, upon intimate scrutinization of the naratives and back photos in the catalog, there is no " line 1" differentiation between the two.... Ugghhh any help? ================= To: =?utf-8?B?T0JDLVJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20+?= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 05:20:28 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Milton Bradley identify [2 Attachments] From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 06:40:37 -0400 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Milton Bradley identify [2 Attachments] From: mikesportsfan@aol.com As Ken pointed out the red 1's have a base on them for the 1972s, while the1969s have a "straight" 1, without the base. I have completed the 1969 set, but still need almost 40% of the 1972 set (including Carlton), if anyonehas any to swap. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Wes Shepard wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Sent: Sun, Apr 5, 2015 1:07 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Milton Bradley identify [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Wes Shepard included below] So milton bradley makes their board/baseball card game indeed, yes. Howeverthe 1969 and 1972 cards are literally identical, except just one thing.... According to my 2011 scd catalog, the 72's will have a red " line 1 " on the back, the 69's do not. Fair enough. Except i found that my 69 steve carlton is not listed in the catalog with the 69s, just the 72s. To make it worse, upon intimate scrutinization of the naratives and back photos in the catalog, there is no " line 1" differentiation between the two.... Ugghhh anyhelp? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 09:50:10 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Net 54 User Signature Line From: Larry Tipton 1. click on your name to get to your profile 2. click on User CP 3. under Settings & Options click on Edit Signature 4. enter this: Member of OBC (Old Baseball Cards), the longest running on-line collecting club www.oldbaseball.com ================= Date: Sun, 5 Apr 2015 17:07:53 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net 54 User Signature Line From: Jimi Thayer Done! =8A Sent from my iPad > On Apr 5, 2015, at 9:50 AM, Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > 1. click on your name to get to your profile > 2. click on User CP > 3. under Settings & Options click on Edit Signature > 4. enter this: Member of OBC (Old Baseball Cards), the longest running on-line collecting club www.oldbaseball.com > Guru ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 23:28:47 -0400 Subject: Go From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 07:55:15 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC TV at the National (Periscope App) From: Larry Tipton Is anyone using the Periscope app? I just found out about it, and watched aguy and his girlfriend drink beer and play golf. I was able to broadcast from my house on my phone in like 10 seconds. Anyway it seems like a great app to use to broadcast events from the National again this year. I heard about the app through my son who I follow on twitter. It sent me a message that he was broadcasting, and within a couple minutes I was watching him and hearing him live. It looks like my Periscope id is: Lawrence Tipton My twitter is: @Lawrence_Tipton Is anyone using this Periscope app? Hey I'm getting a new roof put on my house today, I could broadcast live! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 04:58:01 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC TV at the National (Periscope App) From: Glenn Codere I sincerely hope the new roof is in a better state than some of your cards! :-) On Tue, 4/7/15, Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC TV at the National (Periscope App) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, April 7, 2015, 12:55 PM Is anyone using the Periscope app? I just found out about it, and watched a guy and his girlfriend drink beer and play golf. I was able to broadcast from my house on my phone in like 10 seconds. Anyway it seems like a great app to use to broadcast events from the National again this year. I heard about the app through my son who I follow on twitter. It sent me a message that he was broadcasting, and within a couple minutes I was watching him and hearing him It looks like my Periscope id is: Lawrence Tipton My twitter is: @Lawrence_Tipton Is anyone using this Periscope app? Hey I'm getting a new roof put on my house today, I could broadcast live! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 08:09:28 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: OBC TV at the National (Periscope App) From: Larry Tipton Glenn: For $12,040 this new roof better be in MINT condition! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 11:43:13 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show next weekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn was coming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay withgrandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who knowsat this point! I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes offinding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....if Ican. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likelydepend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or possibly anything unique. How about you guys? Looking forward to meeting you all! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:44:06 -0400 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I will be there all three days as well, and was planning an OBC Night on Saturday, at my house. I'll have pizza, wings, and beverages. Any/all are Sam Taylor 9615 Simsbury Ct. Twinsburg, OH 44087 I'm about 35-45 minutes northeast of the show (unless it's a blizzard...) On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey guys, > I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show next > weekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the > 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn > was coming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest > daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay > with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who > knows at this point! > I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes of > finding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....if I > can. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. > I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likely > depend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 > Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was > thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or > possibly anything unique. How about you guys? > Looking forward to meeting you all! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad Sam Taylor ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 13:52:39 -0400 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: Wes Shepard I will being going with Nolan on Saturday, hopefully arriving around or before noon. If anyone wants to hitch a ride in my stardust mystery machine, we got a seat or two. Hope everyone had a nice opening day! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:44 PM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I will be there all three days as well, and was planning an OBC Night on Saturday, at my house. I'll have pizza, wings, and beverages. Any/all are welcome. > Sam Taylor > 9615 Simsbury Ct. > Twinsburg, OH 44087 > I'm about 35-45 minutes northeast of the show (unless it's a blizzard...) >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hey guys, >> I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show nextweekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn was coming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who knows atthis >> I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes of finding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....ifI can. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. >> I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likely depend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or possibly anything unique. How about you guys? >> Looking forward to meeting you all! >> Jimi >> Sent from my iPad > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: 07 Apr 2015 14:08:30 -0700 To: Subject: Re: ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 17:29:29 -0400 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: Ed Hutchinson I will be there on Sat and Sun definitely. Tom, if you dont mind a bachelor pad, I have a futon you are welcome to stay on in lieu of paying for a hotel On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hey guys, > I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show next > weekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the > 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn > was coming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest > daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay > with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who > knows at this point! > I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes of > finding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....if I > can. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. > I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likely > depend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 > Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was > thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or > possibly anything unique. How about you guys? > Looking forward to meeting you all! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 07 Apr 2015 14:42:24 -0700 To: Subject: Two sets killed in one day! From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:57:45 -0400 Subject: where can I find list of Post SPs? From: "Mark Holland" Got a question for our OBC experts. I have a saved search for 62 Post and noticed that the 62 Post Lee Maye was priced from $1.75 to $35. Naturally I picked up the $1.75 with free shipping because I need it for my set. But I am trying to learn whether true SPs exist in the Post sets. I know that it has variations but SPs? I went thru eBay and pulled out the ones listed as SP but trusting them to publish what is an SP doesn't seem like the best approach. I couldn't find any checklist with the SPs identified. Here is the list of Lee Maye cards that I was referencing (with another $1.75 card). It looks like some eBay dealers think it's an SP and others don't ...or don't know any better. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2060353.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC Please send a link of a site listing SPs if you know of one. Thanks for the Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:09:18 -0400 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com, drsam9795@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I believe the FOOT contingent of Mark Talbot, Ron Perry and myself plan on getting there around noon on Saturday. We plan on doing the gathering at Sam's after the show. I think this puts the count at least at 8 OBCers, with waiting to hear from John McLaughlin., and any others. Gersh, Bill Malson, Joe Isaac??? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Wes Shepard wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Samuel E. Taylor Cc: Jimi Thayer ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** I will being going with Nolan on Saturday, hopefully arriving around or before noon. If anyone wants to hitch a ride in my stardust mystery machine, we got a seat or two. Hope everyone had a nice opening day! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:44 PM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I will be there all three days as well, and was planning an OBC Night on Saturday, at my house. I'll have pizza, wings, and beverages. Any/all are welcome. Sam Taylor 9615 Simsbury Ct. Twinsburg, OH 44087 I'm about 35-45 minutes northeast of the show (unless it's a blizzard...) On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hey guys, I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show next weekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn wascoming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who knows at this I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes offinding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....if Ican. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likelydepend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or possibly anything unique. How about you guys? Looking forward to meeting you all! Sent from my iPad Sam Taylor ================= To: "'Mark Holland'" , Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 18:36:20 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find list of Post SPs? From: "Grant Rainsley" I can only speak for the '62 Post Canadians...there are lots of SP's....like somewhere around 15-20. I have a few, but as a kid I had to eat Grape Nuts to get them...the rule was, you can have the cereal, but we aren't buying more until that one is empty. (I found some imaginative ways to "help" empty it.) Some are just impossible....I have only seen one Joe Amalfitano in all my years of card collecting (50+ years), it had black felt pen all over the front, and it sold for something like $200 or maybe more......I would be floored in anyone in OBC actually has one...that is one rare gem. I can only imagine the price of one in nice shape. I know I will never finish that set, but for whatever reason I keep the wantlist alive, even though it is on life From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 3:58 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find list of Post SPs? Got a question for our OBC experts. I have a saved search for 62 Post and noticed that the 62 Post Lee Maye was priced from $1.75 to $35. Naturally I picked up the $1.75 with free shipping because I need it for my set. But I am trying to learn whether true SPs exist in the Post sets. I know that it has variations but SPs? I went thru eBay and pulled out the ones listed as SP but trusting them to publish what is an SP doesn't seem like the best approach. I couldn't find any checklist with the SPs identified. Here is the list of Lee Maye cards that I was referencing (with another $1.75 card). It looks like some eBay dealers think it's an SP and others don't ...or don't know any better. http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 21:41:19 -0400 To: grains@shaw.ca, mholland28412@ec.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find list of Post SPs? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Our resident Post expert Peter Mead needs only 5 more to complete his set, including Amalfitano. I am down to 9, plus some variations, and need Berra and Romano as Peter does, HOWEVER, I do have Amalfitano in EX condition. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] To: 'Mark Holland' ; obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 9:36 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find list of Post SPs? I can only speak for the =E2=9962 Post Canadians=E2=A6=E2=A6.thereare lots of SP=E2=99s=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6like somewherearound 15-20. I have a few, but as a kid I had to eat Grape Nuts to get them=E2=A6=E2=A6.the rule was, you can have the cereal, but we aren=E2=99t buying more until that one is empty. (I found some imaginative waysto =E2=9Chelp=E2=9D empty it.) Some are just impossible=E2=A6=E2=A6..I have only seen one Joe Amalfitano in all my years of card collecting (50+ years), it had black felt pen all over the front, and it sold for something like $200 or maybe more=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.I would be floored in anyone in OBC actually has one=E2=A6=E2=A6.that is one rare gem. I can only imagine the price of one in nice shape. I know I will never finish that set, but for whatever reason I keep the wantlist alive, even though it is on li fe support. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, April 07, 2015 3:58 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find list of Post SPs? Got a question for our OBC experts. I have a saved search for 62 Post and noticed that the 62 Post Lee Maye was priced from $1.75 to $35. NaturallyI picked up the $1.75 with free shipping because I need it for my set. But I am trying to learn whether true SPs exist in the Post sets. I know that it has variations but SPs? I went thru eBay and pulled out the ones listed as SP but trusting them to publish what is an SP doesn't seem like the best approach. I couldn't find any checklist with the SPs identified. Here is the list of Lee Maye cards that I was referencing (with another $1.75 card). It looks like some eBay dealers think it's an SP and others don't ...or don't know any better. http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_fromR40&_trksidp2060353.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X1962+Post+%23156+Lee+Maye.TRS5&_nkw1962+Post+%23156+Lee+Maye&= Please send a link of a site listing SPs if you know of one. Thanks for the Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:10:28 -0400 To: wwesmyster2@aol.com, drsam9795@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I just realized I forgot to include the Dennings. Joe and LaShelle are planning on attending also. For those of us that may have received binders for our HOMers from LaShelle, she is working on the 1958 Western set and would appreciate hits. If you want to surprise her, and you will not be at theshow yourself, send them to Sam, Mark Talbot or myself and we can hand them to her at the Strongsville show for you. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: wwesmyster2 ; drsam9795 Cc: jimivintage ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 9:09 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** I believe the FOOT contingent of Mark Talbot, Ron Perry and myself plan on getting there around noon on Saturday. We plan on doing the gathering at Sam's after the show. I think this puts the count at least at 8 OBCers, with waiting to hear from John McLaughlin., and any others. Gersh, Bill Malson, Joe Isaac??? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Wes Shepard wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Samuel E. Taylor Cc: Jimi Thayer ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Tue, Apr 7, 2015 1:53 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** I will being going with Nolan on Saturday, hopefully arriving around or before noon. If anyone wants to hitch a ride in my stardust mystery machine, we got a seat or two. Hope everyone had a nice opening day! Sent from my iPhone On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:44 PM, 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: I will be there all three days as well, and was planning an OBC Night on Saturday, at my house. I'll have pizza, wings, and beverages. Any/all are welcome. Sam Taylor 9615 Simsbury Ct. Twinsburg, OH 44087 I'm about 35-45 minutes northeast of the show (unless it's a blizzard...) On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hey guys, I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show next weekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn wascoming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who knows at this I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes offinding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....if Ican. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likelydepend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or possibly anything unique. How about you guys? Looking forward to meeting you all! Sent from my iPad Sam Taylor ================= To: Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 22:37:35 -0500 Subject: Re: where can I find list of Post SPs? From: "George Vrechek" Peter Mead's article on the subject is on our library page at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/Post_OBC.pdf George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 08:01:10 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: More on Post Canadian SPs From: Andy I need 39 to complete the set and this morning I searched EBay for each card on my wantlist. Out of nearly 500 cards on EBay, only 5 I needed were available - three of which were Mantle, Mays and Clemente. Of the remaining 36I need, only a single example of two were available, and both were graded examples priced significantly higher than I was willing to pay. Fully 34 cards I need were unavailable. Those SPs are very tough. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 00:51:43 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stan Hacked myself! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Won some cards on ebay and doing a search of the seller, I came across a 1943 MP & Co. Stan Hack. The card kept telling me "you want this one". I have been toying with a Stan Hack collection (I believe some others have done this), as there is no other name that evokes OBC like Stan. I started searching for the Stan cards and will probably post a list. BUT, I only have one Stan card, so it's not official as per OBC rules. BEST part of this card? It's a VARIATION! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS- anyone have a definitive list of his cards? I found a couple of lists that should show just about all of them but I'm not sure ================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 11:51:19 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: $5 off at eBay From: Jake Elwell This would be worth grabbing if you've had a high-dollar card on your watchlist, waiting to a final excuse to pull the trigger. Hey, an extra $5 can go a long way in an OBC collection... http://www.ebay.com/itm/261834258445?_trksidp2055119.m1438.l2649&var560689174144&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT ================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 17:31:09 -0400 To: obc ramblings Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances From: Matthew Glidden Just tossed in the idea of an "AMC Gremlin" trading card we could use for unissued or otherwise missing spots in OBC binders. Anyone interested in that idea? We could print up a bunch cheaply and pass them around at meetups or as extras in mailings. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:10 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances To: Matthew Glidden Awesome idea! The 53 and 55 set definitely got me confused years ago when the skipped numbers made holes in the binder. In your idea, a baseball card sized cardboard with gremlin photo would slip into the binders just right! I discovered that the missing 57's were HOFers that I had slabbed versions of (Clemente, Mays, Maz, Bunning) so I don't know if I am going to bust them out and put in the sleeves or not. But I am glad I really do have them. But the 58's are going to take some research since I must have a pile somewhere I didn't put in the book. Oh well, it will keep me busy and maybe I will see some other goodies as I dig! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ *From: *Matthew Glidden *To: *familytoad@comcast.net *Sent: *April 8, 2015 at 8:32 PM *Subject: *Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances Hi Brian, did you come across the missing 57s and 58s? Were they any of the "not printed" numbers? Since Topps left a few holes in the 1950s sets, it occurs to me that OBC might be the ideal group to supply placeholders. We could print up a bunch of "gremlin" cards for the task, maybe starring one of these guys, to fill any non-printed gaps in advance. http://www.decodesystems.com/gremlin-ps-may-1973-m.gif On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Mathematically, the chances are pretty good to find gremlins with all the > sets we collect. > I always seem to find (or is it "lose") a couple in each set. I hesitate > to even look in the binders sometimes since I know there is Life inside > that closet! > I "finished" the 57 Topps set last week, except all the binder slots > aren't full. > I am down to two 1958 cards, except there are more than two holes in the > binder. > I think I have those cards , since I made a conscious effort to mark them > off both my excel spreadsheet and my online want list. I don't know which > box they went in instead of that binder position that was waiting so > patiently to be occupied! > Hope to find them tomorrow as I do some auditing while celebrating > National Holiday MLB Opening Day with a vacation day ! > Back to Gene Washington, they are in 1971 Topps FB too...both players were > really good, and they each have regular cards and inserts in that set. > Since I have so many cards in that set, I bet I have a few dozen of each , > no gremlins for a long time :-) > I remember thinking about those guys when I was a kid and was curious if > they knew each other. ( I think Gene-San Francisco had a cameo in Brian's > Song) > Rick, you'd better check your 58 set for Hal Smiths ! Haha! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *To: * > *Sent: *April 4, 2015 at 6:50 PM > *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances > I was looking at my lists couple weeks back and three of my basketball > sets were at one card and the 73 football was at four cards. They were all > pretty cheap so I bought them checked the basketball set for true > completion and yep no gremlins. Look thru the 73 football and half way thru > an extra gene Washington better than a gremlin. Get towards the end and > there it is a missing card. So my now completed set is no longer complete > again so I look up the number I'm missing it happens to be the other gene > Washington! I go strictly by numbers so I don't know who I'm missing in my > sets unless I look them up so how is it possible for this to happen the > numbers aren't even close to being the same. > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 17:38:41 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances From: Nick Awesome idea. With all of the gremlins we have that would be perfect. If the cost is fait and reasonable Id be in on that. Nick Pelletier Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Just tossed in the idea of an "AMC Gremlin" trading card we could use forunissued or otherwise missing spots in OBC binders. Anyone interested in that idea? We could print up a bunch cheaply and pass them around at meetupsor as extras in mailings. > Spike > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances > To: Matthew Glidden > Awesome idea! > The 53 and 55 set definitely got me confused years ago when the skipped numbers made holes in the binder. > In your idea, a baseball card sized cardboard with gremlin photo would slip into the binders just right! > I discovered that the missing 57's were > HOFers that I had slabbed versions of (Clemente, Mays, Maz, Bunning) so Idon't know if I am going to bust them out and put in the sleeves or not. But I am glad I really do have them. > But the 58's are going to take some research since I must have a pile somewhere I didn't put in the book. Oh well, it will keep me busy and maybe I will see some other goodies as I dig! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Matthew Glidden > To: familytoad@comcast.net > Sent: April 8, 2015 at 8:32 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances > Hi Brian, did you come across the missing 57s and 58s? Were they any of the "not printed" numbers? > Since Topps left a few holes in the 1950s sets, it occurs to me that OBC might be the ideal group to supply placeholders. We could print up a bunch of "gremlin" cards for the task, maybe starring one of these guys, to fill any non-printed gaps in advance. > http://www.decodesystems.com/gremlin-ps-may-1973-m.gif > Spike >> On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> Mathematically, the chances are pretty good to find gremlins with all the sets we collect. >> I always seem to find (or is it "lose") a couple in each set. I hesitateto even look in the binders sometimes since I know there is Life inside that >> I "finished" the 57 Topps set last week, except all the binder slots aren't >> I am down to two 1958 cards, except there are more than two holes in thebinder. >> I think I have those cards , since I made a conscious effort to mark them off both my excel spreadsheet and my online want list. I don't know whichbox they went in instead of that binder position that was waiting so patiently to be occupied! >> Hope to find them tomorrow as I do some auditing while celebrating National Holiday MLB Opening Day with a vacation day ! >> Back to Gene Washington, they are in 1971 Topps FB too...both players were really good, and they each have regular cards and inserts in that set. Since I have so many cards in that set, I bet I have a few dozen of each , no gremlins for a long time :-) >> I remember thinking about those guys when I was a kid and was curious ifthey knew each other. ( I think Gene-San Francisco had a cameo in Brian's Song) >> Rick, you'd better check your 58 set for Hal Smiths ! Haha! >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: >> Sent: April 4, 2015 at 6:50 PM >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances >> I was looking at my lists couple weeks back and three of my basketball sets were at one card and the 73 football was at four cards. They were all pretty cheap so I bought them checked the basketball set for true completionand yep no gremlins. Look thru the 73 football and half way thru an extra gene Washington better than a gremlin. Get towards the end and there it is a missing card. So my now completed set is no longer complete again so I look up the number I'm missing it happens to be the other gene Washington! I go strictly by numbers so I don't know who I'm missing in my sets unless I look them up so how is it possible for this to happen the numbers aren't even close to being the same. >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 08:34:21 -0400 To: Nick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances From: Matthew Glidden Big thanks to Tom Housley, who posted these on the Facebook group, we already have some Gremlins people can print at home! On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 6:38 PM, Nick wrote: > Awesome idea. With all of the gremlins we have that would be perfect. If > the cost is fait and reasonable Id be in on that. > Nick Pelletier > Thenamenotused@yahoo.com > Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 9, 2015, at 4:31 PM, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Just tossed in the idea of an "AMC Gremlin" trading card we could use for > unissued or otherwise missing spots in OBC binders. Anyone interested in > that idea? We could print up a bunch cheaply and pass them around at > meetups or as extras in mailings. > Spike > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: > Date: Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 12:10 AM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances > To: Matthew Glidden > Awesome idea! > The 53 and 55 set definitely got me confused years ago when the skipped > numbers made holes in the binder. > In your idea, a baseball card sized cardboard with gremlin photo would > slip into the binders just right! > I discovered that the missing 57's were > HOFers that I had slabbed versions of (Clemente, Mays, Maz, Bunning) so I > don't know if I am going to bust them out and put in the sleeves or not. > But I am glad I really do have them. > But the 58's are going to take some research since I must have a pile > somewhere I didn't put in the book. Oh well, it will keep me busy and maybe > I will see some other goodies as I dig! > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > *From: *Matthew Glidden > *To: *familytoad@comcast.net > *Sent: *April 8, 2015 at 8:32 PM > *Subject: *Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances > Hi Brian, did you come across the missing 57s and 58s? Were they any of > the "not printed" numbers? > Since Topps left a few holes in the 1950s sets, it occurs to me that OBC > might be the ideal group to supply placeholders. We could print up a bunch > of "gremlin" cards for the task, maybe starring one of these guys, to fill > any non-printed gaps in advance. > http://www.decodesystems.com/gremlin-ps-may-1973-m.gif > Spike > On Sun, Apr 5, 2015 at 12:01 PM, familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> Mathematically, the chances are pretty good to find gremlins with all the >> sets we collect. >> I always seem to find (or is it "lose") a couple in each set. I hesitate >> to even look in the binders sometimes since I know there is Life inside >> that closet! >> I "finished" the 57 Topps set last week, except all the binder slots >> aren't full. >> I am down to two 1958 cards, except there are more than two holes in the >> binder. >> I think I have those cards , since I made a conscious effort to mark them >> off both my excel spreadsheet and my online want list. I don't know which >> box they went in instead of that binder position that was waiting so >> patiently to be occupied! >> Hope to find them tomorrow as I do some auditing while celebrating >> National Holiday MLB Opening Day with a vacation day ! >> Back to Gene Washington, they are in 1971 Topps FB too...both players >> were really good, and they each have regular cards and inserts in that set. >> Since I have so many cards in that set, I bet I have a few dozen of each, >> no gremlins for a long time :-) >> I remember thinking about those guys when I was a kid and was curious if >> they knew each other. ( I think Gene-San Francisco had a cameo in Brian's >> Song) >> Rick, you'd better check your 58 set for Hal Smiths ! Haha! >> OBC Forever, >> Brian >> Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App >> ------ Original Message ------ >> *From: *Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> *To: * >> *Sent: *April 4, 2015 at 6:50 PM >> *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] What's the chances >> I was looking at my lists couple weeks back and three of my basketball >> sets were at one card and the 73 football was at four cards. They were all >> pretty cheap so I bought them checked the basketball set for true >> completion and yep no gremlins. Look thru the 73 football and half way thru >> an extra gene Washington better than a gremlin. Get towards the end and >> there it is a missing card. So my now completed set is no longer complete >> again so I look up the number I'm missing it happens to be the other gene >> Washington! I go strictly by numbers so I don't know who I'm missing in my >> sets unless I look them up so how is it possible for this to happen the >> numbers aren't even close to being the same. >> Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 13:48:49 -0400 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: JEdward@aol.com Content-Language: en Jimi, I will be there on Saturday. Actually, I'll arrive Friday with my wife, Ranaye so that we can visit with our son Jason who lives in Cleveland. I'm hoping to get a little show time in on Friday also if I can fit it in. I think Ranaye will want to head home after the show on Saturday so we will probably miss out on any after show festivities. John McLaughlin In a message dated 4/7/2015 11:43:20 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey guys, I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show next weekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklynwas coming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who knows at this point! I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes of finding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....if I can. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likely depend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or possibly anything unique. How about you guys? Looking forward to meeting you all! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 10 Apr 2015 13:04:09 -0700 To: Subject: Some 68 Waivers- ROUGH shape From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 10 Apr 2015 13:25:14 -0700 To: Subject: Some 70s football waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 19:41:49 -0400 To: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: Jimi Thayer Well, as it turns out, now that the soccer schedule has come out, both my girls have a game on Saturday of the Strongsville Show. Bailey also has tumbling, and my wife is out of town coaching her kids at a track meet. Sooooooooo, it looks like IF I am coming, it'll have to be Friday or Sunday. :( Sent from my iPad > On Apr 7, 2015, at 1:44 PM, Samuel E. Taylor wrote: > I will be there all three days as well, and was planning an OBC Night on Saturday, at my house. I'll have pizza, wings, and beverages. Any/all are welcome. > Sam Taylor > 9615 Simsbury Ct. > Twinsburg, OH 44087 > I'm about 35-45 minutes northeast of the show (unless it's a blizzard...) >> On Tue, Apr 7, 2015 at 11:43 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hey guys, >> I'd love to find out for sure who is going to the Strongsville show nextweekend (17th, 18th, 19th). I'm planning on being there on Saturday, the 18th with my daughter Brooklyn and/or my friend Bryan. Last year, Brooklyn was coming with me, but then decided on the way to drop off my youngest daughter, Bailey, at my parents, Brooklyn decided she just wanted to stay with grandma. :) She told me last week that she wanted to come, but who knows atthis >> I'm definitely coming though! I wanted to send this e-mail out in hopes of finding out who's coming so I have time to get some cards together....ifI can. I've already got two piles ready for two OBCers. >> I'm not sure what I'll be looking for just yet when up there. It'll likely depend on how much money I can accrue by then! I'd like to finish my 1968 Topps set that's almost done, but outside of that? I don't know. I was thinking of maybe looking at some HOF RCs, T206s with tough backs, or possibly anything unique. How about you guys? >> Looking forward to meeting you all! >> Jimi >> Sent from my iPad > -- > Sam Taylor ================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 21:18:52 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Gremlins From: Tom Housley Here are the Gremlin place holders for '55 Topps & '58 Topps - plus variations of the '58 at the request of Sal! Tom Housley ================= Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 21:26:36 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gremlins [4 Attachments] From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LOL Tom, I'm not sure if there is enough of that N missing! I have a few Herrera's with partial a's ! This may have to go to GGS for authentication! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/10/2015 9:19:07 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://102ea5b8/default.html#TopText) from Tom Housley included below] Here are the Gremlin place holders for '55 Topps & '58 Topps - plus variations of the '58 at the request of Sal! Tom Housley ================= Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 04:14:30 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Fwd: Join my Yahoo Fantasy League From: familytoad@comcast.net fantasy baseball league on Yahoo?
No charge, easy to do...my son is wanting to start a league and his friends are mostly football and basketball fans only....
No harm either way, but the draft would be this comingSunday.
LMK the yahoo link is below.
Sorry for the last minute and the brevity, I have an eye infection and it feels better closed!

Thanks and OBC forever,
Brian


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================= Date: 11 Apr 2015 10:49:30 -0700 To: Subject: Some more baseball waivers today From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 05:28:32 +0000 (UTC) To: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] 66s From: talbot1@comcast.net I still have a small stack of those APBA cards I received from Geno on a shelf in my office next to the OBC members trading cards. Like geno said - Great BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Thanks]" To: familytoad@comcast.net, "mike galbreath" , OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 7:26:11 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] 66s Brian -- Good memory! I haven't passed any of those out in years. I know I sent out at least two years' worth, so how ever many cards are in a set, multiply times two and I that's how many APBA cards accompanied RAOKs over the years. Sometimes I wish I still had the game, but I would never have time to play it. Just like my Avalon Hill Squad Leader games I used to love that collectdust now. Maybe some day... Take Care, From: "familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Thanks]" To: mike galbreath ; OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 7:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] 66s Love the APBA reference! I sure spend a lot of ( a billion?) hours playing that in my youth. My first set was 1975 and I bought all the "All-Time Greats" sets too. In fact, it is because of APBA that I am such a rabid collects and baseballfan even all these years later! Additionally, Geno probably passed a billion of these cards out to OBC World over the years ! OBC Forever Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: mike.galbreath@gmail.com [OBC-Thanks] To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: April 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM Subject: [OBC-Thanks] 66s No, this isn't an APBA message. Greg Miller sent me a dozen 1966 Topps, including Gil Hodges. Thanks, Greg! Mike Galbreath ================= Date: 12 Apr 2015 06:32:17 -0700 To: Subject: Great day for set killing From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= Date: 12 Apr 2015 08:26:56 -0700 To: Subject: football waiver wire From: thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= To: "obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:16:55 -0400 Subject: Who needs them? From: Taylor Schock Waiver wires: 1968 Topps game cards - 1, 10, 11, 12, 15, 20, 21 (GD-VG condition mostly) 1971 OPC - 28, 49, 57, 169, 217 (GD-VG condition mostly) 1976 Fleer FB - 44 1980 Fleer FB - 43, 69, 70 1985 JOGO CFL - 42 1986 Fleer FB - 38 1988 Raiders Police - 9 (Bo Jackson) 1995 Fleer Shell - 2, 4 Speak up, with name and address, and I'll send them out. http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html ================= Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:01:57 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Soaking E121's From: Bob Donaldson A few weeks ago I asked about soaking E121s as I bought a book with 27 E121s and E220s glued in the book. I gave it a try and had very good success. All cards came out ok. I posted a detailed account of this on Net54 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p=1400991#post1400991 FYI, I did a similar thing with Batter-Ups ================= Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:50:24 +0200 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: Matthew Glidden Cool work, they look great, Bob! How did the Batter-Ups work out for you? On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi > A few weeks ago I asked about soaking E121s as I bought a book with 27 > E121s and E220s glued in the book. I gave it a try and had very good > success. All cards came out ok. I posted a detailed account of this on > Net54 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p1400991#post1400991 > FYI, I did a similar thing with Batter-Ups > Bob ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:22:08 -0400 Subject: Submitted for your approval... From: Taylor Schock ... (in my worst Rod Serling impression)... Is this the most OBC-est card ever? Or the card with the least amount of recognizable information but STILL able to determine what the card is? I'm sure I could MAKE one with less of a card, and still be identifiable, but ANYONE could do that, right? But I found this one like this stuck to another card. Would this be a definite GGS 10 candidate? And who out there can identify the card? (my apologies for my old age if I have posted this before, but I just came across this again) ================= Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:40:09 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks-noreply@yahoogroups.com, Subject: ncaa thanks to MT From: biggies@aol.com Thanks out to MARK TALBOT who sends along 2 1948 Bowmans including Hank Sauer and a '50 Larry Doby due to Louisville's victory over NC State. He apologizes for their condition but I think they are swell. Thanks Mark, Bob Bannon ================= To: Taylor Schock , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:07:30 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... [1 Attachment] From: Mac Wubben That's an easy one...hoblitzell. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:22:08 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Taylor Schock included below] ... (in my worst Rod Serling impression)... Is this the most OBC-est card ever? Or the card with the least amount of recognizable information but STILL able to determine what the card is? I'm sure I could MAKE one with less of a card, and still be identifiable, but ANYONE could do that, right? But I found this one like this stuck to another card. Would this be a definite GGS 10 candidate? And who out there can identify the card? (my apologies for my old age if I have posted this before, but I just came across this again) ================= Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:24:01 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Wow! Those came out amazing! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/13/2015 11:10:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: A few weeks ago I asked about soaking E121s as I bought a book with 27 E121s and E220s glued in the book. I gave it a try and had very good success. All cards came out ok. I posted a detailed account of this on Net54 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p1400991#post1400991 FYI, I did a similar thing with Batter-Ups ================= To: Geno Wagner , Mac Wubben , Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:25:58 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... From: Taylor Schock So far... 3 wrong guesses. To be fair, that was MY first thought as well. The "Cin" jumps out, but... if the stats don't fit, it's not Hoblitz(ell)! Geno, I was about to send it your way for your player collection, when I realized it wasn't him. :( To: obcmac@hotmail.com; taylor_schock@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 23:12:15 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... If you tear the bottom half off and call it a "no stats," you might get about $500 for it! Take Care,Geno From: "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: Taylor Schock ; "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 7:07 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... That's an easy one...hoblitzell.To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.comDate: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 17:22:08 -0400Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Taylor Schock included below] ... (in my worst Rod Serling impression)...Is this the most OBC-est card ever? Or the card with the least amount of recognizable information but STILLable to determine what the card is? I'm sure I could MAKE one with less ofa card, and still be identifiable, but ANYONE could do that, right? But I found this one like this stuck to another card. Would this be a definite GGS 10 candidate?And who out there can identify the card?(my apologies for myold age if I have posted this before, but I just came across this again)Regards,Taylor=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:49:17 -0400 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... [1 Attachment] From: Joshua Levine It is Dick Egan T205...the other card in the set with Cin after the stats...I guess it pays to be obsessed with the t205 set. -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 2:22 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Taylor Schock included below] ... (in my worst Rod Serling impression)... Is this the most OBC-est card ever? Or the card with the least amount of recognizable information but STILL able to determine what the card is? I'm sure I could MAKE one with less of a card, and still be identifiable, but ANYONE could do that, right? But I found this one like this stuck to another card. Would this be a definite GGS 10 candidate? And who out there can identify the card? (my apologies for my old age if I have posted this before, but I just came across this again) ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 05:10:27 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: talbot1@comcast.net I've been soaking cards for years with similar results. Welcome to the restoration segment of our hobby. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 11:01:57 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's A few weeks ago I asked about soaking E121s as I bought a book with 27 E121s and E220s glued in the book. I gave it a try and had very good success. All cards came out ok. I posted a detailed account of this on Net54 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p1400991#post1400991 FYI, I did a similar thing with Batter-Ups ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 01:45:20 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I'm a Hack-er now! From: ChicoD1@aol.com I just posted my Stan Hack list. If any of you guys see any that I may be missing, please let me know. I guess this will act as my "type card" list for the time being. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: Joshua Levine , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 08:33:51 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... From: Taylor Schock It does. Congrats! :) To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 00:49:17 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... It is Dick Egan T205...the other card in the set with Cin after the stats...I guess it pays to be obsessed with the t205 set. -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Apr 13, 2015 2:22 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Submitted for your approval... [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Taylor Schock included below] ... (in my worst Rod Serling impression)... Is this the most OBC-est card ever? Or the card with the least amount of recognizable information but STILL able to determine what the card is? I'm sure I could MAKE one with less of a card, and still be identifiable, but ANYONE could do that, right? But I found this one like this stuck to another card. Would this be a definite GGS 10 candidate? And who out there can identify the card? (my apologies for my old age if I have posted this before, but I just came across this again) ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:03:17 -0400 To: talbot1@comcast.net, obcbobd@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: biggies@aol.com Content-Language: en May I ask who started this thread and is seeking E121's? Bob Bannon In a message dated 4/14/2015 1:10:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I've been soaking cards for years with similar results. Welcome to the restoration segment of our hobby. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK From: "Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 11:01:57 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's A few weeks ago I asked about soaking E121s as I bought a book with 27 E121s and E220s glued in the book. I gave it a try and had very good success. All cards came out ok. I posted a detailed account of this on Net54 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p1400991#post1400991 FYI, I did a similar thing with Batter-Ups ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:12:35 -0400 To: "biggies@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: Bob Donaldson Bob Donaldson On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, wrote: > May I ask who started this thread and is seeking E121's? > Bob Bannon > In a message dated 4/14/2015 1:10:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > Bob, > I've been soaking cards for years with similar results. Welcome to > the restoration segment of our hobby. BE WELL!!!! > REGARDS ------------------ MARK > ------------------------------ > *From: *"Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *To: *"OBC Ramblings" > *Sent: *Monday, April 13, 2015 11:01:57 AM > *Subject: *[OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's > Hi > A few weeks ago I asked about soaking E121s as I bought a book with 27 > E121s and E220s glued in the book. I gave it a try and had very good > success. All cards came out ok. I posted a detailed account of this on > Net54 http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?p1400991#post1400991 > FYI, I did a similar thing with Batter-Ups > Bob ================= Date: 14 Apr 2015 07:09:19 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 15:01:36 GMT Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 11:17:27 -0400 To: "cardclctor@aol.com" Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: Bob Donaldson Regarding soaking, I realize that they key item that will determine success is the type of glue or paste used. That said here is my experience. Working Fine Batter Ups Did Not Work 1960 Topps 1970 Topps, these were mine glued into my scrapbook as a kid. I'm pretty sure I used Elmer's Glue Bob Donaldson On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:01 AM, 'cardclctor@aol.com' cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Jay, > 1952's soak pretty well - as most of the high numbers were dumped in the > ocean later on. Seriously though, is it just a glue stain or is there paper > still attatched? Some of the glues used may not come off without damaging > the card. You might want to test a small area on the card with an eye > dropper or something and see if it has any effect. Or just live with the > stain, especially if you can still read the card. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone > ------ Original message------ > *From: *JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Rambli... > *Date: *Tue, 4/14/2015 10:09 AM > *To: *OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > *Subject:*Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's > So my 1952 Topps Willie Mays is in VgEx or better except it has a glue > stain on the back. > Given the value of this card, is it worth giving it a soak or two and how > well do 1952 Topps soak? ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:10:06 -0700 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's From: Mark Macrae In addition to adhesive used, the other two big factors are printing quality and paper stock. You lucked out with Batterups as I've had some layer on me. Most Topps and Bowmans will layer and often the paper stock expands like a new sponge...Mark On Apr 14, 2015, at 8:17 AM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > All > Regarding soaking, I realize that they key item that will determine success is the type of glue or paste used. That said here is my experience. > Working Fine > T206 > E121/E220s > Batter Ups > Did Not Work > 1960 Topps > 1970 Topps, these were mine glued into my scrapbook as a kid. I'm prettysure I used Elmer's Glue > Thanks > Bob Donaldson > On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 11:01 AM, 'cardclctor@aol.com' cardclctor@aol.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Jay, > 1952's soak pretty well - as most of the high numbers were dumped in theocean later on. Seriously though, is it just a glue stain or is there paper still attatched? Some of the glues used may not come off without damagingthe card. You might want to test a small area on the card with an eye dropper or something and see if it has any effect. Or just live with the stain,especially if you can still read the card. > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone > ------ Original message------ > From: JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Rambli... > Date: Tue, 4/14/2015 10:09 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Soaking E121's > So my 1952 Topps Willie Mays is in VgEx or better except it has a glue stain on the back. > Given the value of this card, is it worth giving it a soak or two and howwell do 1952 Topps soak? ================= Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 14:07:07 -0700 To: obc ramblings Subject: Scratch & Dent Waiver Wire From: David Fallen From time-to-time I acquire cards I do not collect (or already have) that are too rough to send out unsolicited. Many, but by no means all OBC'ers collect cards in nearly any condition. So, I offer the following waiver-wire cards to any and all that want them. NOT FOR THE CONDITION CONSCIOUS! Good at least for place holders. Most 50's cards will still work in your bicycle spokes! Leach (Fielding) - top right corner missing, many wrinkles Oakes (Fielding) - top right corner missing, many wrinkles Parent (Portrait) - nice card but borders trimmed off Schaffer (Fielding) - MAJOR paper loss front and back V100 1923 WILLARD'S CHOCOLATE Milton Stock - border trimmed off, but looks nice anyway 1951 TOPPS REDBACKS #2 Gordon - paper loss at top (not on picture) #27 Westlake - with mustache, earrings, and neckless #28 Valo - singed or burnt edges (card actually not that bad) 1951 TOPPS BLUE BACKS #24 Lollar - very scraped and faded front #37 Doerr - MISCUT, if you collect miscuts this is your daisy (small paper loss on back) #41 Schmitz - Rip, wrinkles, and small paper loss on name. Nose and right eye are NM however 1952 TOPPS #144 Blake - actually 2 cards, the left 20% and the right 80% (keep it in the sleeve). paper loss in name box and on back 1956 TOPPS #240 Whitey Ford - nice card except the borders are trimmed off 1957 TOPPS #89 Sievers - writing on front, not in picture 1958 TOPPS #115 Bunning - 2 scraped spots on front (one on nose) #218 Rand - nice card, but writing on back #486 Willie Mays - some paper loss top and bottom, not affecting picture 1965 TOPPS #14 Gabrielson - nice front, writing/scribbling on back #50 Juan Marichal - nice back, writing/scribbling on front #261 Carmel - optioned and sold info written on forehead #348 Banks - writing on forehead, cheek, and left shoulder #372 Dalrymple - scribbling on face #450 Geiger - red ink scribbling on the "350" on back of card. Otherwise OK #491 Stallard - scribbling on face 1966 TOPPS #509 Wood - "Tigers" crossed out, "Reds" written across jersey 1950 BOWMAN #29 Stanky, kind of wrinkled and washed out, small spot loss top right 1954 BOWMAN #101 Don Larsen - borders trimmed off #164 Early Wynn - borders trimmed off 1955 BOWMAN MOUSE CHEWED The following have some mice damage in the top right border. Only on a couple of cards does the damage extend to the TV screen. Cheap way to pick up some presentable umpires. #304 Chiti #309 Dixon (ump) #310 Lehman #311 Goetz (ump) #313 Donatelli (ump) #314 Mitchell #315 Hubbard (ump) #316 Fricano #317 Summers (ump) #318 Hudson #319 Schroll #320 Susce 1955 BOWMAN OTHER #91 Marlowe - large rip top and in, but stops before face #252 Smalley- "Phillies" written in the sky #266 Fornieles - "Balt." written in the sky 1961 POST #? Sisler - lots of paper loss, including card # which I'm too lazy to look up 1962 POST #81 Duran - lots of writing/scribbling in bio area #80 Earl Averill - "NO. 19" written at top with "19" circled #86 Versalles - "SS" written in red just above his name #165 Jackson - NOT Joe Jackson, "Chicago Cubs" written at top of bio, "Phillies" at bottom of bio 1963 POST #115 Maury Wills - "shortstop" crossed out and "3B" written in #168 Washburn - approx. 3mm hole in his right cheek ================= Date: 14 Apr 2015 18:22:58 -0700 To: Subject: SGC vs PSA From: kenpillion@windstream.net ================= To: , Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:50:18 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] SGC vs PSA From: Mac Wubben Good means creases usually...not sure what you were expecting. I'd be happyto trade for it. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 18:22:58 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SGC vs PSA Guys, bought a SGC 30 GOOD John Havlicek Rookie the other day. Just broke it out of the case and found that it has a major crease in it. I've bought PSA GOOD cards and they have been great. As a firm believer in 'nongrading' I was wondering if a PSA Good is equal to a SGC good? It also looks like the SGC grading sticker (which is not a sticker) look cheap. Could I have bought a fake graded card? Ken P ================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 08:44:06 -0700 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What's Left (Scratch & Dent Waiver Wire) From: David Fallen Below is all that is left. There was a great response to the initial offerings, and I learned one thing well: Blue Backs are in high demand! Dave Fallen 1951 TOPPS REDBACKS #27 Westlake - with mustache, earrings, and neckless #28 Valo - singed or burnt edges (card actually not that bad) 1952 TOPPS #144 Blake - actually 2 cards, the left 20% and the right 80% (keep it in the sleeve). paper loss in name box and on back 1957 TOPPS #89 Sievers - writing on front, not in picture 1958 TOPPS #115 Bunning - 2 scraped spots on front (one on nose) #218 Rand - nice card, but writing on back 1966 TOPPS #509 Wood - "Tigers" crossed out, "Reds" written across jersey 1954 BOWMAN #101 Don Larsen - borders trimmed off #164 Early Wynn - borders trimmed off 1955 BOWMAN OTHER #91 Marlowe - large rip top and in, but stops before face 1961 POST #? Sisler - lots of paper loss, including card # which I'm too lazy to look up 1963 POST #115 Maury Wills - "shortstop" crossed out and "3B" written in #168 Washburn - approx. 3mm hole in his right cheek ================= To: "yazobc@gmail.com" , Steve Hitzeman Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:42:54 -0500 Subject: anyone going to EVANSVILLE IN this weekend? From: Aaron Shirley Washington Square Mall 5011 Washington Ave Evansville, IN 47715 Ron Estes is the promoter and is a "certified OBC-friendly" dealer who WILLbe His contact info: estesbrenda@hotmail.com 314-852-4543 Free admission. 17 tables at this point (I just got off the phone with Ron). Randy Griffin told me about it, and I intend to go, but only on Saturday. Ihave only met 3 OBCers before so I'm looking forward to adding at least one guy to that list! Anyone else coming? Thanks for the heads up, Randy! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 15 Apr 2015 10:18:33 -0700 To: Subject: Re: ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:27:34 -0400 To: "directorth@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: BBC Trading Man I wish I could go to the show and meet all you guys. I hope you all have a great time a get some nice pick ups. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2015, at 1:18 PM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > By my count we have the following members attending on Saturday: Rich.Perry & Talbot (aka the FOOT Three Amigos), Shepard (and mini-Shepard), Me, Hutchinson, Taylor, McLaughlin, Denning (and Mrs. Denning). Anyone else? I invited brand-new member Greg Henthorn; he said it's a 50/50 chance he'll make the trip from West Virginia, so I told him if he comes to look for the OBC > Sounds like Sam will have a full house on Saturday evening. Anything new in the basement Tiger Den that we haven't seen yet?? > Tom ================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 14:38:07 -0400 To: BBC Trading Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ***The Official Stongsville, OH Gathering*** From: "Samuel E. Taylor" The only significant additions are the items that I found at the National. Notably the Detroit Tiger Den seat from Tiger Stadium, that Bob Reed helped me mount. The biggest change from the National however, will definitely be the LOSS of Master Chef Ken Morganti... We'll miss ya Ken!! Sam Taylor On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 2:27 PM, BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Man I wish I could go to the show and meet all you guys. I hope you all > have a great time a get some nice pick ups. > Andy > Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 15, 2015, at 1:18 PM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > By my count we have the following members attending on Saturday: > Rich.Perry & Talbot (aka the FOOT Three Amigos), Shepard (and > mini-Shepard), Me, Hutchinson, Taylor, McLaughlin, Denning (and Mrs. > Denning). Anyone else? I invited brand-new member Greg Henthorn; he said > it's a 50/50 chance he'll make the trip from West Virginia, so I told him > if he comes to look for the OBC hats. > Sounds like Sam will have a full house on Saturday evening. Anything new > in the basement Tiger Den that we haven't seen yet?? > Tom Sam Taylor ================= Date: 15 Apr 2015 14:06:14 -0700 To: Subject: t206 southern leaguers From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 20:45:18 -0400 To: tjv815 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] t206 southern leaguers From: Bob Donaldson I believe the Southern League Cards had a limited distribution, I'm guessing to the areas that encompassed the Southern League. Thus there are fewer cards. On Wed, Apr 15, 2015 at 5:06 PM, tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Hey gang, > Over the last year, I've picked up some t206 when I can find them on the > cheap. However, I never come even close when there is a banged up southern > leaguer up for bid. I'm just wondering why the t206 southern leaguers sell > for much higher prices the regular t206 commons. Are they that much > rarer? Is it the backs? What's the story here? > TJ ================= Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 10:21:12 -0500 To: "" Subject: Another goal met From: john harrell I picked up another Batter Up this week (a punched-out #95 Reynolds) to get that wantlist down to 12 and that means I have picked up 4 so far this year, which was one of my 2015 collecting goals. Only 12 high numbers left (only!!!) but still, I actually believe now that I can finish this mini-monster of a set. If any of you are working on this set you know how hard it is to find some of the high numbers, much less being able to afford them. Fortunately I'm not condition conscious so punched-out cards are no problem for me. I can remember years ago when Mark Atnip was in the group and I wondered why he would have so many damaged (punched-out) cards in his Batter Up set. I now understand perfectly. Have an error-free season. ================= Date: 16 Apr 2015 11:01:10 -0700 To: Subject: Woo Hoo!!! New Job! From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 15:17:04 -0400 To: Ed Hutchinson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Woo Hoo!!! New Job! From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Congratulations Ed!! I'm assuming you'll still be in the area? On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I am a teacher, and I just today accepted a similar position at a much > nicer school, for a sizable raise. Although my fiancee is already planning > what to do with the money, this means I can actually expand upon some of my > collections that have thus far been too pricy to do so! > I just wanted to share my good fortune with my OBC friends! See many of > you in Strongsville this Saturday! > Ed Sam Taylor ================= To: "'Aaron Shirley'" , Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 20:51:56 +0000 Subject: RE: anyone going to EVANSVILLE IN this weekend? From: "Hitzeman, Steven A." Sorry Aaron but I am in an all weekend meeting in French lick. Maybe next time! From: Aaron Shirley [mailto:uthminsta@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2015 12:43 PM To: yazobc@gmail.com; Hitzeman, Steven A.; OBC Ramblings server OBC Ramblings Cc: Randy Griffin Subject: anyone going to EVANSVILLE IN this weekend? Washington Square Mall 5011 Washington Ave Evansville, IN 47715 Ron Estes is the promoter and is a "certified OBC-friendly" dealer who WILLbe His contact info: estesbrenda@hotmail.com 314-852-4543 Free admission. 17 tables at this point (I just got off the phone with Ron). Randy Griffin told me about it, and I intend to go, but only on Saturday. Ihave only met 3 OBCers before so I'm looking forward to adding at least one guy to that list! Anyone else coming? Thanks for the heads up, Randy! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 17:42:11 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: White Plains Show coming up From: BBC Trading Hey guys. Any east coasters going to the White Plains show May 1-3? I may actually be able to go and have some cash to spend. Would love to meet up with some of you finally. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 21:55:35 -0400 To: drsam9795@gmail.com, jehutch75@gmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Woo Hoo!!! New Job! From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Ed said it was a nicer school so he must be relocating from the 4 letter word known as Ohio! -----Original Message----- From: 'Samuel E. Taylor' drsam9795@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Ed Hutchinson Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Apr 16, 2015 3:17 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Woo Hoo!!! New Job! Congratulations Ed!! I'm assuming you'll still be in the area? On Thu, Apr 16, 2015 at 2:01 PM, jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] I am a teacher, and I just today accepted a similar position at a much nicer school, for a sizable raise. Although my fiancee is already planning whatto do with the money, this means I can actually expand upon some of my collections that have thus far been too pricy to do so! I just wanted to share my good fortune with my OBC friends! See many of youin Strongsville this Saturday! Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 23:46:54 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] White Plains Show coming up From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Hey Andy, Depending how I do this weekend, I may make the trip (provided I haven't shot the entire budget). It's the same promoters as the LI show this week, so maybe same dealers. Anyone have any thoughts on White Plains? I haven't been there in ages. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/16/2015 5:42:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey guys. Any east coasters going to the White Plains show May 1-3? I may actually be able to go and have some cash to spend. Would love to meet up with some of you finally. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 08:31:24 -0500 Subject: Re: Another goal met From: "George Vrechek" Batterups and Bama I remember seeing Lionel Carter's collection and talking to him about his remaining wantlist. He started collecting Batterups when they came out. He found another collector in New York who he would exchange low numbers for high numbers with since apparently the second series was not to be found in Colfax, Illinois in the 1930s. Carter was particular about the condition of the cards he obtained and worked on his Batterup wantlist for about 60+ years - but never finished it. He still needed a handful of cards when he stopped collecting about 15 years ago. Keep up the good work. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:57:14 -0700 To: obc ramblings Subject: End of and Caveat about Scratch & Dent Waiver Wire From: David Fallen All cards from the scratch & dent waiver wire have been claimed. I am about to make a trip to the PO to post them all. There was a great response to this offering. It was nice to see that Tipton cards are still appreciated by so many OBC'ers. The CAVEAT is this: As many of you know, my collecting interests have shifted from 50's and 60's cards to vintage PCL collectibles. Because these PCL items are range from uncommon to nearly impossible, I NEVER expect "pay back" when I send out cards. Please save yourself the trouble - I know I have a very difficult want list. Instead, if you HAVE to do something then send a card to another OBC'er. Thanks, and long-live OBC! Dave Fallen ================= Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 22:56:35 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1970 lot with Munson RC From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- I'm not sure if anybody is interested in a lot of about 75 1970 Topps cards, including a very nice Munson RC. If so, I posted an auction on N54 yesterday that you might want to look at. It's not a typical auction,as I am primarily looking for a card in trade, as opposed to cash. If anybody wants to bid, here's the link: Net54baseball.com Forums | | | | | | | | | | | Net54baseball.com ForumsDiscussions of vintage baseball cards, autographsand sports memorabilia. | | | | View on www.net54baseball.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | Take Care,Geno ================= Date: 18 Apr 2015 06:11:26 -0700 To: Subject: Always a privilege to meet another OBCer in person From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= Date: 18 Apr 2015 06:19:17 -0700 To: Subject: Got the 71/72 Grayback Globetrotters #25 From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 14:34:24 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Say Hey!! From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Can anybody use a 1965 Topps Embossed Willie Mays card? Let me know... Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 18:56:00 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ebay $199 fraud From: Ed Pike Looks like someone is about to get scammed out of $199. I contacted the seller to ask where the PSA sticker came from, I would expect that I will not get any reply since I am certain that it is fake. Any suggestions to keep someone from getting scammed out of $199? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Sport-Kings-Babe-Ruth-New-York-Yankees-2-Baseball-Card-PSA-AUTHENTIC-/331531541842? Ed Pike ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 17:58:34 -0500 To: Ed Pike Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay $199 fraud From: Nick Wow! That's too bad. And it already has a bid. Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 18, 2015, at 5:56 PM, Ed Pike ehpiii@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Looks like someone is about to get scammed out of $199. I contacted the seller to ask where the PSA sticker came from, I would expect that I will not get any reply since I am certain that it is fake. Any suggestions to keepsomeone from getting scammed out of $199? > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Sport-Kings-Babe-Ruth-New-York-Yankees-2-Baseball-Card-PSA-AUTHENTIC-/331531541842? > Ed Pike ================= To: "'Ed Pike'" , Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 16:01:35 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay $199 fraud From: "Grant Rainsley" You can report it to Ebay, but usually that is useless, they are happy to take their cut=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Pike ehpiii@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, April 18, 2015 3:56 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay $199 fraud Looks like someone is about to get scammed out of $199. I contacted the seller to ask where the PSA sticker came from, I would expect that I will not get any reply since I am certain that it is fake. Any suggestions to keep someone from getting scammed out of $199? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Sport-Kings-Babe-Ruth-New-York-Yankees-2-Baseball-Card-PSA-AUTHENTIC-/331531541842? Ed Pike ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:18:34 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: LI Card Show/ Suggested Dealer From: ChicoD1@aol.com I have to tell you, after visiting Nationals for the past decade plus, I go to what is considered our "Big Show" the so-called LI National, and just cant help but feel shorted (no comments Kent). My first and main stop was to see Greg Tatich. He has a real good assortment of cards, and prices them well and gives us additional discounts. To give you an idea of what Greg is all about, I passed his table working my way out and found a 55 Stan Hack in pretty nice condition. I was ready to pluck down the few dollars when he said, "here, take it". Some of you may know him or have dealt with him indirectly. He works with Mike McCann (as a matter of fact, Greg actually gets the booth that he and Mike share back to back, and a few guys bought some supplies from him in Cleveland). He said he is already gearing up for the National and plans to have an "OBC Friendly" sign for Chicago. I'm stumping for him to become a certified OBC Dealer, as he is basically partners with Mike and I don't want him to be left behind the way we left Ron Estes off, even though Bob McLean (OBC Dealer) and him have partnered forever. I told him we are considering a server for our dealers and he said he'd be interested in participating. I have to look up our exact rules pertaining to nominating a dealer, but I am putting his name forward and I'm sure Richard Dingman would second it. Just a terrific dude. He will be in White Plains in 2 weeks. I plan on going, if nothing else, to catch up with any OBCers who plan on attending. Now with the cards... I made some inroads picking up 4 of the last 9 64 coins and 4 of the last 10 60 Fleers. I also finished my 4th 75 set with a Brett, but it was like pulling teeth negotiating with the "young man" who had it. Finally settled on 12 bucks and put it to bed. That same young man had a 52B Mantle GRADED 1 for $450. No thanks, I want it under 200. I told him the value, he said it was higher, I said what book are you using, and of course he said Beckett. I shared the error of his ways by pointing out the SCD price :-). He did have a nice "4" for about 700, but hell that will pay for a week in Chicago, flight and room. Best purchase for me-- I picked up my first 57 checklist card (Bazooka 1/2) for 10 bucks and a couple of Mets Sherriff coins, knocked the 72 (second set) list to just high numbers and upgraded 4 of 25 1952 Bowmans (This means, keep an eye out for a waiver of the replacements). Also down to 3 1960 Grays to master that set (minus cream vs white). Also got former Met Pat Zachry's auto free (but why do guys sign the cards over their faces?) Well, I'm glad this is called the 'ramblings' server, as I think I did just that! Hopefully, I see some of you in White Plains! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:22:29 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay $199 fraud From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'm with you guys, that back says reprint all over to me. the ? makes the authenticity "questionable". Maybe someone should ask him about not being able to find the number in the PSA database... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/18/2015 6:56:02 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Looks like someone is about to get scammed out of $199. I contacted the seller to ask where the PSA sticker came from, I would expect that I will not get any reply since I am certain that it is fake. Any suggestions to keep someone from getting scammed out of $199? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1933-Sport-Kings-Babe-Ruth-New-York-Yankees-2-Baseba Ed Pike ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 19:36:14 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LI Card Show/ Suggested Dealer From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Forgot to mention, I picked up my FIRST ever Playballs -- 2 Brooklyn Dodgers, so I guess as per OBC rules, I have to add them to the Dodger list. Time to find a checklist (I only have ONE tobacco Dodger, and I plan on keeping it that way for a while LOL). Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/18/2015 7:18:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I have to tell you, after visiting Nationals for the past decade plus, I go to what is considered our "Big Show" the so-called LI National, and just cant help but feel shorted (no comments Kent). My first and main stop was to see Greg Tatich. He has a real good assortment of cards, and prices them well and gives us additional discounts. give you an idea of what Greg is all about, I passed his table working my way out and found a 55 Stan Hack in pretty nice condition. I was ready to pluck down the few dollars when he said, "here, take it". Some of you may know him or have dealt with him indirectly. He works with Mike McCann (as a matter of fact, Greg actually gets the booth that he and Mike share back to back, and a few guys bought some supplies from him in Cleveland). He said he is already gearing up for the National and plans to have an "OBC Friendly" sign for Chicago. I'm stumping for him to become a certified OBC Dealer, as is basically partners with Mike and I don't want him to be left behind the way we left Ron Estes off, even though Bob McLean (OBC Dealer) and him have partnered forever. I told him we are considering a server for our dealers and he said he'd be interested in participating. I have to look up our exact rules pertaining to nominating a dealer, but I am putting his name forward and I'm sure Richard Dingman would second it. Just a terrific dude. will be in White Plains in 2 weeks. I plan on going, if nothing else, to catch up with any OBCers who plan on attending. Now with the cards... I made some inroads picking up 4 of the last 9 64 coins and 4 of the last 10 60 Fleers. I also finished my 4th 75 set with a Brett, but it was like pulling teeth negotiating with the "young man" who had it. Finally settled on 12 bucks and put it to bed. That same young man had a 52B Mantle GRADED 1 for $450. No thanks, I want it under 200. I told him the value, he said it was higher, I said what book are you using, and of course he said Beckett. I shared the error of his ways by pointing out the SCD price :-). He did have a nice "4" for about 700, but hell that will pay for a week in Chicago, flight and room. Best purchase for me-- I picked up my first 57 checklist card (Bazooka 1/2) for 10 bucks and a couple of Mets Sherriff coins, knocked the 72 (second set) list to just high numbers and upgraded 4 of 25 1952 Bowmans (This means, keep an eye out for a waiver of the replacements). Also down to 3 1960 Grays to master that set (minus cream vs white). Also got former Met Pat Zachry's auto free (but why do guys sign the cards over their faces?) Well, I'm glad this is called the 'ramblings' server, as I think I did just that! Hopefully, I see some of you in White Plains! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:25:03 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 52B Werle Variation From: ChicoD1@aol.com Tough enough to find this one. I paid about the same thing for this one. I think Tom still needs this variation... _http://www.ebay.com/itm/371304129629?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/371304129629?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 18 Apr 2015 20:32:30 -0700 To: Subject: Strongsville show- my recap From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 00:32:17 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: For you coke cap fanatics From: ChicoD1@aol.com Here is a "complete" 67 NL All Starts. All I need is the Seaver, anyone need any of the others? Maybe an OBC coalition? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Coke-NL-All-Star-Baseabll-Bottle-Caps-Complete- Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 19 Apr 2015 10:15:48 -0700 To: Subject: Some waiver wires- 1969 and 1970 Topps From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 19 Apr 2015 12:10:52 -0700 To: Subject: 62T & 76 Hostess Gremlins! From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 19 Apr 2015 12:45:14 -0700 To: Subject: Re: 62T & 76 Hostess Gremlins! From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 22:13:49 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: White Plains Show May 1-3 From: BBC Trading I didn't get much response from my last call to see who's going to the White Plains show May 1-3. So I figured I'd ask again. Any east coasters planning on going? I'll be there Saturday and would loveto meet some of you guys. Is any one going? Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 19 Apr 2015 19:58:20 -0700 To: Subject: the haul from yesterday's show! From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:48:48 +0000 (UTC) To: Thanks OBC , Subject: Out of town and thanks From: Gary Beard Thanks go out to Joel Freedman for a recent flat of cards. I really appreciate the help. He finished off a basketball set and added two other cards for good measure. On another note, my 95 year old grandfather had a stroke on Sunday and his prognosis isn't good. I'm flying out today to be with the family. I will probably be gone for two weeks. All thanks for packages arriving in the near future will be delayed. Thanks to all for understanding. Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 13:52:15 -0700 To: Ramblings OBC Subject: Taylor made thanks From: Stamper Taylor Schock sends a stack of 68 game cards. Much appreciated. John Stamper ================= Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 21:59:35 +0000 To: kelijo0807@gmail.com, beauxdammit@yahoo.com, Jim.McCracken@severstalna.com, Subject: whats up From: http://movechurchblog.tv/ukk/ ================= Date: 21 Apr 2015 08:52:48 -0700 To: Subject: Hello from new OBC member From: ghenthorn34@gmail.com ================= Date: 21 Apr 2015 09:18:26 -0700 To: Subject: Strongsville report From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 20:55:04 +0000 (UTC) To: Obc Ramblings Subject: checklists From: Nick Pelletier Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. Nick Pelletierthenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:56:27 -0400 To: Nick Pelletier Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: Bob Donaldson Mike Rich's wantlist is probably a good place to start :-) Bob Donaldson On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I am > sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. > Nick Pelletier > thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:11:52 -0400 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: Jimi Thayer I personally would go talk to Leon Luckey at Net54. His type-card collection is ridiculous. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 21, 2015, at 5:02 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > I think either Bob Bannon or Erik Greenwood can help with a typecard checklist. > peter mead > On 04/21/15, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Mike Rich's wantlist is probably a good place to start :-) > Bob Donaldson >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. >> Nick Pelletier >> thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: 21 Apr 2015 15:23:50 -0700 To: Subject: Red Sox schedule request From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: 21 Apr 2015 15:45:30 -0700 To: Subject: Some Waiver Wires- various years From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:24:37 -0400 To: jimivintage@yahoo.com, hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Do you have a large SCD or even Beckett? Check the directory. How do you think I built my wantlists??? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: hoot_owl1 Cc: obcbobd ; thenamenotused ;obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2015 5:11 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists I personally would go talk to Leon Luckey at Net54. His type-card collection is ridiculous. Sent from my iPad On Apr 21, 2015, at 5:02 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> I think either Bob Bannon or Erik Greenwood can help with a typecard checklist. peter mead On 04/21/15, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Mike Rich's wantlist is probably a good place to start :-) Bob Donaldson On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Ni ck Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 19:10:00 -0700 To: Nick Pelletier , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: David Fallen Get ready to engineer your concept of complete baseball type card set. My data base of baseball cards shows 15,130 sets through about 2004. Most of that is UV crap, but here are a couple of other benchmarks: Sets before 1970: 1292 Sets before 1960: 791 Sets before 1950: 539 Sets before 1940: 420 Sets before 1930: 282 Sets before 1920: 200 Sets before 1910: 84 Sets before 1900 (i.e., 19th century cards): 38 Type card collectors have to be realistic. You might start with the more popular and doable type cards and go from there. I dunno, I'm stymied for a good approach. On 4/21/2015 1:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? > I am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. > Nick Pelletier > thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 22:20:19 -0400 To: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: Jimi Thayer I will say that I have basically developed my own type-card collection. Asmost know, I'm a HOF collector. My ultimate goal for each HOFer is to collect the earliest possible card I can for each member with his RC as the ultimate prize (that is if it is possible to obtain). By doing so, I will eventually have 310 cards in that collection spanning many different sets from 19th Century stuff on up to about 1990 (thanks to Frank Thomas). The best thing about type-card collecting though, is that you create the rules! I know a guy who collected the battery (pitcher and catcher) of each perfect game ever pitched, with the attempt to get a card/collectible from the year it happened! Talk about tough!! Best of luck, Nick! Sent from my iPad > On Apr 21, 2015, at 10:10 PM, David Fallen david.fallen@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Get ready to engineer your concept of complete baseball type card set. My data base of baseball cards shows 15,130 sets through about 2004. Most of that is UV crap, but here are a couple of other benchmarks: > Sets before 1970: 1292 > Sets before 1960: 791 > Sets before 1950: 539 > Sets before 1940: 420 > Sets before 1930: 282 > Sets before 1920: 200 > Sets before 1910: 84 > Sets before 1900 (i.e., 19th century cards): 38 > Type card collectors have to be realistic. You might start with the morepopular and doable type cards and go from there. I dunno, I'm stymied fora good approach. > Dave >> On 4/21/2015 1:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. >> Nick Pelletier >> thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 21:37:50 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: Nick Wow! Thank you all for the responses. I knew OBC would have the answer/answers. As one member suggested, I thought of Mike Rich's list as soon as I hit send. I always thought his list came from a medium sized forest, a couple gallons, not cartridges, of toner, and a calculator that would make NASA proud. I know there are quite a few sets and some tweaking is required but need somewhere to start from. A few of you have seen the xcel checklist I use at home.....a few more hours of typing may be needed to make a type card list happen. Thanks for the great ideas. Nick Pelletier Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: > Mike Rich's wantlist is probably a good place to start :-) > Bob Donaldson >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. >> Nick Pelletier >> thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= To: "obc" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 06:40:41 -0500 Subject: Looking to close out the 74' Topps "Washington variation" From: "ken goetsch" Looking to close out the last 2-cards needed for the 74' Topps ..............Any 1974 TOPPS BASEBALL-WASHINGTON VARIATIONS NEEDED-Any condition 226[Wash.team card],364[Gaston]. Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 ================= Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:29:14 -0400 To: Nick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists From: Joel Freedman Hi, found this ten years ago, it is the American Card Catalog. Maybe it is of some use. On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Nick thenamenotused@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Wow! Thank you all for the responses. I knew OBC would have the > answer/answers. > As one member suggested, I thought of Mike Rich's list as soon as I hit > send. I always thought his list came from a medium sized forest, a couple > gallons, not cartridges, of toner, and a calculator that would make NASA > proud. :-) > I know there are quite a few sets and some tweaking is required but need > somewhere to start from. > A few of you have seen the xcel checklist I use at home.....a few more > hours of typing may be needed to make a type card list happen. > Thanks for the great ideas. > Nick Pelletier > Thenamenotused@yahoo.com > Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 21, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: > Mike Rich's wantlist is probably a good place to start :-) > Bob Donaldson > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I >> am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. >> Nick Pelletier >> thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:31:36 -0500 Subject: Re: checklists From: "George Vrechek" An OBC type-card group was started about two months ago, all via the existing email server initially. Extensive spreadsheet checklists are available that reflect considerable work beyond what is readily available. The spreadsheets also have columns for each member to list haves and wants. Erik Greenwood is probably the guy to get you on the group list. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 09:24:52 -0400 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] checklists [1 Attachment] From: Matthew Glidden Using the OldCardboard.com "sets by year" list is also a good start, too. http://oldcardboard.com/listByYear.asp On Wed, Apr 22, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#14ce11a96a0d940b_TopText> from Joel Freedman included > below] > Hi, found this ten years ago, it is the American Card Catalog. Maybe it > is of some use. > Joel > On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 10:37 PM, Nick thenamenotused@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Wow! Thank you all for the responses. I knew OBC would have the >> answer/answers. >> As one member suggested, I thought of Mike Rich's list as soon as I hit >> send. I always thought his list came from a medium sized forest, a couple >> gallons, not cartridges, of toner, and a calculator that would make NASA >> proud. :-) >> I know there are quite a few sets and some tweaking is required but need >> somewhere to start from. >> A few of you have seen the xcel checklist I use at home.....a few more >> hours of typing may be needed to make a type card list happen. >> Thanks for the great ideas. >> Nick Pelletier >> Thenamenotused@yahoo.com >> Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 21, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: >> Mike Rich's wantlist is probably a good place to start :-) >> Bob Donaldson >> On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 4:55 PM, Nick Pelletier thenamenotused@yahoo.com >> [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >>> Is there a "Master Checklist" for a complete baseball type card set? I >>> am sure it is a daunting task but apparently I have to expand my list. >>> Nick Pelletier >>> thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= To: George Vrechek , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 10:41:23 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: checklists From: Mac Wubben Technically I started the group over three years ago...anyone wishing to join just needs to send me an email. Erik has done a lot of great work on the spreadsheet...but card activity is pretty sparse right now. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 08:31:36 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: checklists An OBC type-card group was started about two months ago, all via the existing email server initially. Extensive spreadsheet checklists are available that reflect considerable work beyond what is readily available. The spreadsheets also have columns for each member to list haves and wants. Erik Greenwood is probably the guy to get you on the group list.George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:19:58 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Inventory From: Larry Tipton ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 13:44:20 -0400 Subject: small waiver wire From: Shawn Smart 1979 Topps - 107, 196, 359, 410, 461, 511, 516, 538, 671, 683, 684, 686, 691, 701, 704=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:19:27 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Opinion Forum: Weigh-In on Stat-Cast From: Mike Diamanti Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh in on the new Statcast system. I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's one link to MLB: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? Don't like the info? Don't want the info? When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to kick some data out.....that could be a problem... Happy debating! Coffeedude Diamanti ================= Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 12:53:03 -0700 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Inventory [1 Attachment] From: Rick Is that your dupes closet Sent from my iPad > On Apr 22, 2015, at 8:19 AM, Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Larry Tipton included below] > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 00:32:34 +0000 (UTC) To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] For you coke cap fanatics From: talbot1@comcast.net I think the "king of caps" Mike Rich will tell you that is too much for theAll Star set, and he probably has the Seaver cap in his dupe box. If he doesn't then Gary or Don certainly do. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:32:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] For you coke cap fanatics Here is a "complete" 67 NL All Starts. All I need is the Seaver, anyone need any of the others? Maybe an OBC coalition? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Coke-NL-All-Star-Baseabll-Bottle-Caps-Complete-Set-Aaron-Banks-Rose-Seaver-/251908475252?ptLH_DefaultDomain_0&hashi= Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 21:24:45 -0400 To: talbot1@comcast.net, ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] For you coke cap fanatics From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sorry, but I do not have the Seaver in the dupes box at present. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: talbot1@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: ChicoD1 Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Apr 22, 2015 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] For you coke cap fanatics I think the "king of caps" Mike Rich will tell you that is too much for the All Star set, and he probably has the Seaver cap in his dupe box. Ifhe doesn't then Gary or Don certainly do. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------- MARK From: "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 19, 2015 12:32:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] For you coke cap fanatics Here is a "complete" 67 NL All Starts. All I need is the Seaver, anyone need any of the others? Maybe an OBC coalition? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Coke-NL-All-Star-Baseabll-Bottle-Caps-Complete-Set-Aaron-Banks-Rose-Seaver-/251908475252?ptLH_DefaultDomain= Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:30:36 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: More Stats, Anyone? From: Mike Diamanti Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh in on the new Statcast system. I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's one link to MLB: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? Don't like the info? Don't want the info? When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to kick some data out.....that could be a problem... Happy debating! Coffeedude Diamanti ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 12:42:07 -0400 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: cardclctor@aol.com Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no more complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still have a hard time figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's WAR index is, nor do I have the faintest idea of how to compute it. Want to figure out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two outs facing a lefty with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 PM for his career? Fantastic! But why do I need to know this? You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury to one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both or neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare players from different generations, don't bother. The players of the 30's and 40's didn't have the training, nutritional and other advantages of today's players.... I'd rather measure them on how well they stack up against their peers. Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a reliever or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the late innings. I have no use for them. All right, maybe you can put them in a book and ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth inning of a scoreless tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully I'll be asleep by then, but if I'm not then I probably still won't care. Baseball is a simple game - it's a kid's game. Why is there a need to overcomplicate it? It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia hits a 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs to first at 15.9 MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by .12 seconds". If the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I think my head would explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Even the stat geek in me is fine with that. Ken M In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh in on the new Statcast system. I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's one link to MLB: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scen This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? Don't like the info? Don't want the info? When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to kick some data out.....that could be a problem... Happy debating! Coffeedude Diamanti Posted by: Mike Diamanti The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 09:57:57 -0700 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: David Fallen Amen to that brother! I was sort of a statistician in real life and belonged to the ASA - American Statistical Association (thank God it wasn't the American Statistical Society, but I digress). I have always loved computing statistics and using them to make real world decisions. I write statistical analysis programs for fun (not for profit, I don't want the support headaches). But when it comes to baseball I will take it the way Ken takes it. Dave Fallen On 4/23/2015 9:42 AM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I > grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no > more complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still > have a hard time figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's > WAR index is, nor do I have the faintest idea of how to compute it. > Want to figure out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two > outs facing a lefty with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 > PM for his career? Fantastic! But why do I need to know this? > You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury > to one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both > or neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare > players from different generations, don't bother. The players of the > 30's and 40's didn't have the training, nutritional and other > advantages of today's players.... I'd rather measure them on how well > they stack up against their peers. > Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and > trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a > reliever or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the > late innings. I have no use for them. All right, maybe you can put > them in a book and ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth > inning of a scoreless tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully > I'll be asleep by then, but if I'm not then I probably still won't > care. Baseball is a simple game - it's a kid's game. Why is there a > need to overcomplicate it? > It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep > center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia > hits a 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs > to first at 15.9 MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by > .12 seconds". If the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I > think my head would explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You > catch the ball. Even the stat geek in me is fine with that. > Ken M > In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > Greetings Cardboard Lovers: > Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh > in on the new Statcast system. > I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's > one link to MLB: > http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast > This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. > our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? > Don't like the info? Don't want the info? > When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy > Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with > limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and > metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. > This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. > watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about > watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. > Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher > releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will > happen.... > Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to > kick some data out.....that could be a problem... > Happy debating! > Coffeedude Diamanti > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Mike Diamanti > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the > end of each posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & > encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing > cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE > cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please > use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory > Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the > home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= To: "'David Fallen'" , Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 10:14:34 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: "Grant Rainsley" Agreed, simple is bestest. Re the WAR Index, if a player is very good, why bother figuring that out...why would you replace him in the first place? And if he's NOT so good, you probably already knew that are were looking for a replacement anyways, so why go to all that trouble? As for RBI's, how do you get one if you walk with the bases corked? Isn't that actually a RWI? Baseball for me will always be things like watching Brooks suck 'em up at third, or Frank Robby belting one, or taking in a Ryan fastball, or watching Uecker catch a screwball by waiting for it to stop rolling, then walking over and picking it up. Miller Lite commercials are a great part of MY baseball enjoyment. The most important stats at a ball game are the cost of admission, a hot dog, and a beer or two. Mikey D- go grab another coffee and you will feel better. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Fallen david.fallen@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:58 AM To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? Amen to that brother! I was sort of a statistician in real life and belonged to the ASA - American Statistical Association (thank God it wasn't the American Statistical Society, but I digress). I have always loved computing statistics and using them to make real world decisions. I write statistical analysis programs for fun (not for profit, I don't want the support headaches). But when it comes to baseball I will take it the way Ken takes it. Dave Fallen On 4/23/2015 9:42 AM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no more complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still have a hard time figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's WAR index is, nor do I have the faintest idea of how to compute it. Want to figure out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two outs facing a lefty with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 PM for his career? Fantastic! But why do I need to know this? You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury to one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both or neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare players from different generations, don't bother. The players of the 30's and 40's didn't have the training, nutritional and other advantages of today's players.... I'd rather measure them on how well they stack up against their peers. Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a reliever or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the late innings. I have no use for them. All right, maybe you can put them in a book and ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth inning of a scoreless tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully I'll be asleep by then, but if I'm not then I probably still won't care. Baseball is a simple game - it's a kid's game. Why is there a need to overcomplicate it? It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia hits a 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs to first at 15.9 MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by .12 seconds". If the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I think my head would explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Even the stat geek in me is fine with that. Ken M In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh in on the new Statcast system. I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's one link to MLB: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scen This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? Don't like the info? Don't want the info? When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to kick some data out.....that could be a problem... Happy debating! Coffeedude Diamanti Posted by: Mike Diamanti The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 13:10:20 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: MarkZ Interesting conversation. I like the best of both worlds The new stats make for interesting conversation. I can see the benefits of big data in clubs deciding which guys to pay the big money to, and who to replace the outgoing big money player with a younger up and coming guy.. As for the fan side, we can pick and choose whatever combinations of measures we want to trust and just enjoy the game. Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod On Apr 23, 2015, at 12:14 PM, "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Agreed, simple is bestest. Re the WAR Index, if a player is very good, why bother figuring that out=E2=A6=E2=A6.why would you replace him in the first place? And if he=E2=99s NOT so good, you probably already knew that are were looking for a replacement anyways, so why go to all that trouble? As for RBI=E2=99s, how do you get one if you walk with the bases corked? Isn=E2=99t that actually a RWI? > Baseball for me will always be things like watching Brooks suck =E2em up at third, or Frank Robby belting one, or taking in a Ryan fastball, or watching Uecker catch a screwball by waiting for it to stop rolling, thenwalking over and picking it up. Miller Lite commercials are a great part of MY baseball enjoyment. > The most important stats at a ball game are the cost of admission, a hot dog, and a beer or two. > Mikey D- go grab another coffee and you will feel better. > Grant > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of David Fallen david.fallen@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Thursday, April 23, 2015 9:58 AM > To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? > Amen to that brother! > I was sort of a statistician in real life and belonged to the ASA - American Statistical Association (thank God it wasn't the American Statistical Society, but I digress). I have always loved computing statistics and usingthem to make real world decisions. I write statistical analysis programs for fun (not for profit, I don't want the support headaches). But when it comes to baseball I will take it the way Ken takes it. > Dave Fallen > On 4/23/2015 9:42 AM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no more complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still have a hard time figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's WAR index is, nor doI have the faintest idea of how to compute it. Want to figure out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two outs facing a lefty with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 PM for his career? Fantastic! But why do I need to know this? > You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury to one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both or neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare players from different generations, don't bother. The players of the 30's and 40's didn'thave the training, nutritional and other advantages of today's players....I'd rather measure them on how well they stack up against their peers. > Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a reliever or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the late innings. I haveno use for them. All right, maybe you can put them in a book and ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth inning of a scoreless tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully I'll be asleep by then, but if I'm not then I probably still won't care. Baseball is a simple game - it's a kid's game. Why is there a need to overcomplicate it? > It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia hits a 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs to first at 15.9MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by .12 seconds". If the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I think my head would explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Even the stat geek in me is fine with that. > Ken M > In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Greetings Cardboard Lovers: > Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh > in on the new Statcast system. > I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's > one link to MLB: > http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast > This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. > our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? > Don't like the info? Don't want the info? > When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy > Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with > limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and > metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. > This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. > watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about > watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. > Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher > releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will > happen.... > Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to > kick some data out.....that could be a problem... > Happy debating! > Coffeedude Diamanti > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Mike Diamanti > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end ofeach posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= To: Mike Diamanti , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 16:55:01 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: Taylor Schock A baseball team is like a stereo system. You can have the greatest stereo system components in the world, but if your installer doesn't hook them up right, or your DJ plays crappy music, does it matter? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 08:30:36 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh in on the new Statcast system. I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's one link to MLB: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? Don't like the info? Don't want the info? When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to kick some data out.....that could be a problem... Happy debating! Coffeedude Diamanti ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:14:22 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: OBC Meeting in Philly From: Geno Wagner Fellas -- Just spent the day watching a Phillies game (freezing cold!), eating cheesesteaks, and having a few beers with Dr. Matt Yudt! An awesome day, talking baseball and cards with Matt. He met me with a stack of Cubs and Phillies cards to remind me of how Mike Schmidt used to kill the Cubbies in Wrigley! We had fun going down the OBC Directory and telling stories about a bunch of guys. Overall... an awesome day with a fellow OBCer! Thanks for playing hooky today, Matt! Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:09:32 -0400 To: david.fallen@comcast.net, OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Content-Language: en I am in with Dave and Ken I am a Statistics instructor. But, Wins, On Base sort of Batting Average, ERA. That is plenty. On the other hand, I just started playing senior softball after not playing softball for 13 years. If there is some Statistics that would show I do not suck, I am for that. Randy Welk In a message dated 4/23/2015 9:57:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Amen to that brother! I was sort of a statistician in real life and belonged to the ASA - American Statistical Association (thank God it wasn't the American Statistical Society, but I digress). I have always loved computing statistics and using them to make real world decisions. I write statistical analysis programs for fun (not for profit, I don't want the support headaches). But when it comes to baseball I will take it the way Ken takes it. Dave Fallen On 4/23/2015 9:42 AM, _cardclctor@aol.com_ (mailto:cardclctor@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no more complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still have a hard figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's WAR index is, nor do I have the faintest idea of how to compute it. Want to figure out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two outs facing a lefty with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 PM for his career? Fantastic! But whydo I need to know this? You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury to one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both or neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare players from different generations, don't bother. The players of the 30's and 40's didn't have the training, nutritional and other advantages of today's players.... I'd rather measure them on how well they stack up against their peers. Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a reliever or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the late innings. I have no use for them. All right, maybe you can put them in a book and ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth inning of a scoreless tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully I'll be asleep by then, but if I'm not then I probably still won't care. Baseball is a simple game - it's a kid's game. Why is there a need to overcomplicate it? It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia hits a 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs to first at 15.9 MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by .12 seconds". If the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I think my head would explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Even thestat geek in me is fine with that. Ken M In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) writes: Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh in on the new Statcast system. I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's one link to MLB: http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scen This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? Don't like the info? Don't want the info? When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to kick some data out.....that could be a problem... Happy debating! Coffeedude Diamanti Posted by: Mike Diamanti __ The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home pageor directly at _www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html) Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 20:24:54 -0500 To: "rjsfgmv@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: MarkZ The most important stat in senior softball is whoever had the fewest aches and pains wins! Ha ha Sent from mark z ipod On Apr 23, 2015, at 8:09 PM, "rjsfgmv@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Hey > I am in with Dave and Ken > I am a Statistics instructor. > But, Wins, On Base sort of Batting Average, ERA. That is plenty. > On the other hand, I just started playing senior softball after not playing softball for 13 years. > If there is some Statistics that would show I do not suck, I am for that. > Randy Welk > In a message dated 4/23/2015 9:57:31 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Amen to that brother! > I was sort of a statistician in real life and belonged to the ASA - American Statistical Association (thank God it wasn't the American Statistical Society, but I digress). I have always loved computing statistics and usingthem to make real world decisions. I write statistical analysis programs for fun (not for profit, I don't want the support headaches). But when it comes to baseball I will take it the way Ken takes it. > Dave Fallen > On 4/23/2015 9:42 AM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no more complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still have a hard time figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's WAR index is, nor do I have the faintest idea of how to compute it. Want to figure out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two outs facing a lefty with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 PM for his career? Fantastic! But why do I need to know this? >> You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury to one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both or neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare players from different generations, don't bother. The players of the 30's and 40's didn't have the training, nutritional and other advantages of today's players.... I'd rather measure them on how well they stack up against their peers. >> Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a reliever or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the late innings. I have no use for them. All right, maybe you can put them in a book and ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth inning of a scoreless tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully I'll be asleep by then, but if I'm not then I probably still won't care. Baseball is a simple game - it's a kid's game. Why is there a need to overcomplicate it? >> It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia hits a 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs to first at 15.9 MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by .12 seconds". If the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I think my head would explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Even the statgeek in me is fine with that. >> Ken M >> In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> Greetings Cardboard Lovers: >> Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh >> in on the new Statcast system. >> I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's >> one link to MLB: >> http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast >> This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. >> our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? >> Don't like the info? Don't want the info? >> When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy >> Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with >> limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and >> metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. >> This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. >> watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about >> watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. >> Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher >> releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will >> happen.... >> Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to >> kick some data out.....that could be a problem... >> Happy debating! >> Coffeedude Diamanti >> ------------------------------------ >> Posted by: Mike Diamanti >> ------------------------------------ >> The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. >> Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. >> OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html >> ------------------------------------ >> Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:45:28 -0400 To: MarkZ , "rjsfgmv@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: illini_grad_90 ================= To: Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 22:26:06 -0400 Subject: OBC meet in South Philly From: "Matt Yudt" Hi all I met Geno Wagner today. Geno flew into Philly and we met up for a game. I picked him up at the Marriot downtown and he mentioned cheesesteaks and some place across the street everyone raves about when they come in to Philly. Well that would be Reading Terminal Market and home of some of the best food on the planet! Well, certainly some of the best cheesesteaks anyway! After that it was down Broad Street to see the Fightins! Oh do I miss the glory days of just a few years ago. There were NO players from the 2008 World Series team playing (Howard, Utley and Ruiz were off - but it wouldn't have mattered). On top of it, it was COLD and the Phillies made the Marlins look like a playoff team. I did witness one of the fastest and most direct paths (i.e. linear) I've ever seen a ball go 340 feet courtesy of G. Stanton. Despite the horrible home team, Geno and I had a great time hanging out at what I heard later was the lowest turnout for a Phillies game since the Veterans Stadium days. Something tells me that record is in further danger very soon. Geno gave me a stack of 59's - including a bunch of Hi#'s, a Hank Aaron embossed and several 1952 topps "variations" that will fit a 9-pocket page and leave some room :-) After the game we found a pub right in center city on a street I didn't know existed and rambled more about baseball, family and OBC. It was great day and hope we do it again some And to think I could have went to work today. yuck Matt Yudt ================= To: Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:46:01 -0500 Subject: Re: More Stats, Anyone? From: "George Vrechek" What's a WAR? What's an IPA for that matter? George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:26:20 -0400 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Stats, Anyone? From: Bob Donaldson While stats can be certainly overblown, I am glad we are (mostly) pass the stage where we soley use batting averages to judge a position player and wins to judge pitchers. Bob Donaldson On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 12:42 PM, cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Personally, I'm kinda sick of stats. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I > grew up collecting cards, where the only stats on the back were no more > complicated than batting/fielding averages and ERA - and I still have a > hard time figuring out that one. NO. I don't care what a guy's WAR index > is, nor do I have the faintest idea of how to compute it. Want to figure > out David Ortiz' batting average with two strikes, two outs facing a lefty > with a 't' in his last name on Tuesdays after 9:07 PM for his career? > Fantastic! But why do I need to know this? > You have a stat to compare a near perfect catch by Jacoby Ellsbury to > one Mookie Betts made? Keep it. I can tell you which one or if both or > neither passes the eyeball test. If you want to use it to compare players > from different generations, don't bother. The players of the 30's and 40's > didn't have the training, nutritional and other advantages of today's > players.... I'd rather measure them on how well they stack up against their > peers. > Save all those stats for the guys who are scouting, drafting and > trading players. Give them to the manager when he has to call in a reliever > or send up a pinch hitter or a defensive replacement in the late innings.I > have no use for them. All right, maybe you can put them in a book and > ration them out like in the bottom of the sixteenth inning of a scoreless > tie to kill some time between pitches. Hopefully I'll be asleep by then, > but if I'm not then I probably still won't care. Baseball is a simple game > - it's a kid's game. Why is there a need to overcomplicate it? > It's 90 feet to first, 60-1/2 feet to the mound and 420 feet to deep > center. Those are the only numbers I need to know. "Dustin Pedroia hits a > 96.3 MPH fastball, it leaves the bat at 110.6 MPH and he runs to first at > 15.9 MPH, but into a headwind of 3.2 MPH, so he's out by .12 seconds". If > the guy announcing the game makes a call like that, I think my head would > explode. You throw the ball. You hit the ball. You catch the ball. Even the > stat geek in me is fine with that. > Ken M > In a message dated 4/23/2015 11:30:42 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > Greetings Cardboard Lovers: > Time for all of you, (or as many of you who care to write), to weigh > in on the new Statcast system. > I have to sheepishly admit that my wife tipped me off to this. Here's > one link to MLB: > http://m.mlb.com/news/article/119692300/lights-camera-action-behind-the-scenes-of-statcast > This brings to mind the classic debate of technology in any arena vs. > our individual perception capabilities. Too much Info? Boring info? > Don't like the info? Don't want the info? > When i read Moneyball and then saw the movie, I viewed the whole Billy > Bean approach as a guy (GM),making the most of his situation with > limited resources. Now all the teams utilize Moneyball-type stats and > metrics in their organizations, to one degree or another. > This debate could be framed into watching a game in person vs. > watching a game at home on your TV or computer. Baseball is all about > watching, having knowledge in your head, and applying it to the game. > Strategy, stats, and thinking all take place before the pitcher > releases the ball. When the action starts, anything can and will > happen.... > Besides, if I make room in my head for more information, I've got to > kick some data out.....that could be a problem... > Happy debating! > Coffeedude Diamanti > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: Mike Diamanti > ------------------------------------ > The OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of > each posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & > encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the > RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) > is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory > Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page > or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 07:05:25 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: More Stats, Anyone? From: Glenn Codere WAR? HUH! What is it good for? Absolutely nothin'! IPA, however, does have a multitude of useful properties...... On Fri, 4/24/15, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: More Stats, Anyone? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, April 24, 2015, 2:46 PM What=E2=99s a WAR? What=E2=99s an IPA for that matter?George Vrechek Posted by: "George Vrechek" ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:09:18 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: I never thought I would buy from Dean's From: MarkZ For those of you who did not know, deans partnered with comc.com to sell some of deans inventory on comc site. For many cards I scoff at dean's prices, but a few today made sense (compared to higher grade examples priced at 50% high bv) I bought a few 61 world series cards, and a few commons/minor stars. A fewwere priced the same as dean's but comc seller did not accept offers so I went with the best looking card that was priced the same. Deans ships every day to comc, so there is some of a delay to ship with other items at comc, but I would rather have the condolidation than speedy shipping Fyi for anyone that did not know. If you buy from deans on ebay, it may make more sense to buy from them on comc from a consolidated shipping cost standpoint. Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= To: MarkZ , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:14:18 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I never thought I would buy from Dean's From: richard dingman Lately I have been comparing Dean's and COMC and often DC is cheaper on thelower grades. But yes, wait for the shipping discount with Dean's though then you have to wait until you are ready to buy at least $50 ($100 is evenbetter). I usually buy from COMC and then wait and wait until they have afree shipping day, then have them send the whole bunch I have bought, often over 100 cards. Good thing about comc is that when you buy, you pay right away and the card is yours. On Dean's you just commit, but anyone can buy it out from under you if you don't pay and ship first, so waiting for a sh discount can be risky. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:09:18 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I never thought I would buy from Dean's For those of you who did not know, deans partnered with comc.com to sell some of deans inventory on comc site. For many cards I scoff at dean's prices, but a few today made sense (compared to higher grade examples priced at 50% high bv) I bought a few 61 world series cards, and a few commons/minor stars. A fewwere priced the same as dean's but comc seller did not accept offers so I went with the best looking card that was priced the same. Deans ships every day to comc, so there is some of a delay to ship with other items at comc, but I would rather have the condolidation than speedy shipping Fyi for anyone that did not know. If you buy from deans on ebay, it may make more sense to buy from them on comc from a consolidated shipping cost standpoint. Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:33:41 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Dodgers postcards and others From: Glenn Codere Trying to identify these. Any help? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:58:00 -0400 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others [2 Attachments] From: Bob Donaldson Guessing the postcards are Dorman Dodger Post Cards On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 2:33 PM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#14cecb546560add4_TopText> from Glenn Codere included > below] > Trying to identify these. Any help? > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 17:01:47 -0400 To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others [2 Attachments] From: Joshua Levine The black and white cards are from a set produced by the Hall of Fame in 1973 and sold as a picture pack (they did a similar set for 1963 as well)...the color cards are either Dormand postcards or team issued stadium cards. Don't remember which the dodgers used. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 11:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Glenn Codere included below] Trying to identify these. Any help? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:11:56 -0400 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, Wite3@aol.com, glenncodere@yahoo.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The color postcards are team issued. If you look on the back there is a card "number" which is usually 5 digits. They were issued in the late 60s and early 70s for the most part. I need #86707 Alston to complete my 1969 set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Wite3 ; glenncodere ; obc-ramblings Sent: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 5:38 pm Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others I don't believe the Dodgers are Dormands (Campy, PeeWee, Carl Eskine and Gil Hodges and Carl Furillo--are the Dormand Dodgers) So these then might be stadium issued. peter mead On 04/24/15, Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] The black and white cards are from a set produced by the Hall of Fame in 1973 and sold as a picture pack (they did a similar set for 1963 as well)...the color cards are either Dormand postcards or team issued stadium cards. Don't remember which the dodgers used. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings < obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 11:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Glenn Codere included below] Trying to identify these. Any help? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: 24 Apr 2015 19:21:04 -0700 To: Subject: Toronto show From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 08:04:12 -0400 Subject: ramble with pictures From: "Mark Holland" Here is a ramble for you. Long story... About 20 years ago my wife picked up a 5000 count box of cards for me at a yard sale. Thinking that she had done wonderfully by paying $20 for the box she gets home with a 5000 count box of 1990 Fleer. All total there were probably 10 different players. I probably have 500+ Willie Randolph cards if anyone wants them. Not having the heart to throw away baseball cards I still have them on the shelf. Occasionally I send cards to players to autographs using addresses from an internet site. I noticed that Tim Birtsas had signed for someone recently. Not that I was excited about getting a Birtsas autograph, I was excited about the opportunity to "share" ~200 of his 90 Fleer with him. So I boxed up the cards, wrote Tim a note saying that he may be able to put these to good use by sharing with family, friends and fans. It cost me $6 to send them but like I said, I can't throw away baseball cards. In a week I got a large envelope from none other than Tim Birtsas that included a signed photo and 5 cards. He also included a note thanking me for the cards and saying that he will put them to good use. That response made it worth keeping the cards for 20 years. Here are pictures of the cards, pic and note from Tim. I consider this a success story, now if I could just find Willie Randolph......... Any other autograph collectors in the group? Have a good weekend. Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 00:34:51 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Farewell From: Lynn Miller I have decided to leave OBC. This has been brewing for awhile and maybe should have done it sooner. I would ask that everyone just respectthis decision as something I need to do for my family and myself. I would also appreciate no one contacting me personally to ask questions. I will say everything is OK, it's just my priorities and energies have changed as I've gotten older. My association with all of you started with old cardboard, but friendships developed beyond that and will always becherished. So I consider all of you to be friends and still hope to meet a lot of you when I get the chance to travel this great country someday. Thank you all for the handshake and mailbox pleasures. It has been terrific but I need to start a new phase. Could whomever remove me from the directory and the servers. OBC will always be the Greatest, ================= To: "'Lynn Miller'" , Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:42:51 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell From: "Grant Rainsley" And there goes a legend. I WILL be emailing you Lynn, but as you requestedI shall have no questions, or opinions either=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Lynn Miller obclynn15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:35 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell I have decided to leave OBC. This has been brewing for awhile and maybe should have done it sooner. I would ask that everyone just respect this decision as something I need to do for my family and myself. I would also appreciate no one contacting me personally to ask questions. I will say everything is OK, it's just my priorities and energies have changed as I've gotten older. My association with all of you started with old cardboard, but friendships developed beyond that and will always be cherished. So I consider all of you to be friends and still hope to meet a lot of you when I get the chance to travel this great country someday. Thank you all for the handshake and mailbox pleasures. It has been terrific but I need to start a new phase. Could whomever remove me from the directory and the servers. OBCwill always be the Greatest, Lynn ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 21:06:29 -0400 Subject: I found some great deals this weekend From: Taylor Schock I must admit that I came across some good deals this weekend. But one takesthe prize. It wasn't the T206 Tinker bat-off-shoulder Sovereign back for $20 and it wasn't the 5 pack of beautiful, non torn Butterfingers that I gotfor $10 apiece (including Bottemly and Waner), all coming from the Charlotte card show today. But rather something I picked up the day before. Twice a year there is an Antique show in Liberty, NC that draws a ton of people. It takes place in a field and there are probably 300-400 dealers set up. But as it is more of an antiques show, ALL paper items probably make uponly 5% of what's there, and generally, very few baseball cards that aren't overpriced. Even more surprisingly (IMO), less non-sport cards. In any case, I enjoy going and always find something to spend some money on (and it makes it a short work week since I go on Friday). About 2 hours in, and at the far end from where I started, I come across a dealer who has a bunch of "lower end" antique/vintage kinds of items like bottles, tools, some paper items, and... games. One of which you see in the photo. So I opened it up and you see what I saw. It seemed whoever owned it banded the teams together, so I grabbed the Yankees which was near the top and thumbed through. No Mantle. OK. 1969. Maybe no Mantle. Or maybe someone pulled the stars. So I thought, check the Pirates. Pinch hitter card on top, then....Alley... Alou... (this kid put them in order too)... Bunning... Clemente. I stop and put them back in the box. As I was thumbing through, I had asked him how much. He told me. I told him"Sold". At this point I didn't care what might be there or missing, Clemente sealed the deal for me. He said there was a guy that was looking at thisnot long ago, and the guy said he'll think about it and might be back (thedealer quoted him the same price). I told the dealer "Snooze, you lose!" The dealer and his buddy laughed and said that's exactly right. So this evening, after the 2 hours drive back from Charlotte, I decided to go through the box and see what's missing. OK, Part of the side of the box is torn (meh), game board, counter, pitching "screen", player card list, all there. Hmmm, dice missing, a couple board pieces missing. Nothing I really cared about. Time to check the cards. I take the rubber band of those Pirates. All there. Yankees. All there. Angels. All there. Braves. Hmmm. Pieceof notebook paper in kid handwriting saying "incomplete (lacking Bob Aspromonte)". Aaron, and the rest there. To quote Kurt Vonnegut. "And so it goes..." As to condition? White, nice, and sharp, other than some rubber banding issues. Just a handful with very minor creases. By the time I was done going through all the cards, the following cards were missing: Tony Taylor, and.... well, no one else. Just Tony Taylor! Bob showed up in the pile, maybe a reverse Gremlin. So I basically ended up with a complete 1969 Milton Bradley set (minus Tony)!!! Probably the best FIVE DOLLARS I spent all weekend. :) ================= Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 21:49:22 -0400 To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others From: mikesportsfan@aol.com There could be more years that I am not aware of. I know they did issue some team postcards as early as 1959, so maybe they issued every year. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, Apr 25, 2015 4:29 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others One of the cards is Frank Howard as a Dodger. Wouldn't that take them back to early 1960s? The guy was left these by an older gentleman who passed away. He knew Ken was a collector and arranged for him to be given a box of cards. Most of thecontents seemed to be common stuff from the 1980s but there were several of these Dodgers postcards in plastic pages and in great shape. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net; Wite3@aol.com; glenncodere@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 2:11 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others The color postcards are team issued. If you look on the back there is a card "number" which is usually 5 digits. They were issued in the late 60s and early 70s for the most part. I need #86707 Alston to complete my 1969 set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Wite3 ; glenncodere ; obc-ramblings Sent: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 5:38 pm Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others I don't believe the Dodgers are Dormands (Campy, PeeWee, Carl Eskine and Gil Hodges and Carl Furillo--are the Dormand Dodgers) So these then might be stadium issued. peter mead On 04/24/15, Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] The black and white cards are from a set produced by the Hall of Fame in 1973 and sold as a picture pack (they did a similar set for 1963 as well)...the color cards are either Dormand postcards or team issued stadium cards. Don't remember which the dodgers used. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings < obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Fri, Apr 24, 2015 11:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dodgers postcards and others [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Glenn Codere included below] Trying to identify these. Any help? Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 22:25:30 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: thanks Rick From: biggies@aol.com Thanks out to Rick Lyons for a very nice ROAK as he sends me a nice 53 Bowman Bob Lemon. On the side, I ran int5o a guy yesterday that was at Shea in 1964 and saw Crazy Jimmy Piersall run backwards. Great story. Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 23:28:22 -0400 To: Lynn Miller Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell From: Wes Shepard Lynn, truly a Hall of Fame OBCer, legendary indeed. Thank you for everything you've done for this great club. Your shoes will be tough to fill for sure! God speed my good sir! Sent from my iPhone > On Apr 25, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Lynn Miller obclynn15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have decided to leave OBC. This has been brewing for awhile and maybe should have done it sooner. I would ask that everyone just respect this decision as something I need to do for my family and myself. I would also appreciate no one contacting me personally to ask questions. I will say everything is OK, it's just my priorities and energies have changed as I've gotten older. My association with all of you started with old cardboard, but friendships developed beyond that and will always be cherished. So I consider all of you to be friends and still hope to meet a lot of you when I getthe chance to travel this great country someday. Thank you all for the handshake and mailbox pleasures. It has been terrific but I need to start a new phase. Could whomever remove me from the directory and the servers. OBC will always be the Greatest, Lynn ================= Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:08:23 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell From: Nick Be well Lynn. Good luck in your future endeavors. Nick pelletier Sent from my iPhone >> On Apr 25, 2015, at 8:34 PM, Lynn Miller obclynn15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I have decided to leave OBC. This has been brewing for awhile and maybeshould have done it sooner. I would ask that everyone just respect this decision as something I need to do for my family and myself. I would also appreciate no one contacting me personally to ask questions. I will say everything is OK, it's just my priorities and energies have changed as I've gotten older. My association with all of you started with old cardboard, butfriendships developed beyond that and will always be cherished. So I consider all of you to be friends and still hope to meet a lot of you when I get the chance to travel this great country someday. Thank you all for the handshake and mailbox pleasures. It has been terrific but I need to start anew phase. Could whomever remove me from the directory and the servers. OBC will always be the Greatest, Lynn ================= Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 11:23:38 -0700 To: Lynn Miller , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell From: David Fallen Farewell Lynn! In my heart you will always remain a friend. And if you ever get up to the Evergreen State, your friends in OBC-Northwest will certainly roll out the red carpet for you. Dave Fallen On 4/25/2015 5:34 PM, Lynn Miller obclynn15@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have decided to leave OBC. This has been brewing for awhile and > maybe should have done it sooner. I would ask that everyone just > respect this decision as something I need to do for my family and > myself. I would also appreciate no one contacting me personally to > ask questions. I will say everything is OK, it's just my priorities > and energies have changed as I've gotten older. My association with > all of you started with old cardboard, but friendships developed > beyond that and will always be cherished. So I consider all of you to > be friends and still hope to meet a lot of you when I get the chance > to travel this great country someday. Thank you all for the handshake > and mailbox pleasures. It has been terrific but I need to start a new > phase. Could whomever remove me from the directory and the servers. > OBC will always be the Greatest, Lynn ================= Date: 26 Apr 2015 17:26:55 -0700 To: Subject: Re: Farewell From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 20:42:44 -0400 To: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell From: Doug DeJong Thanks Lynn for being so amazing -- standing up here too! Doug DeJong On Sun, Apr 26, 2015 at 8:34 PM, mark zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > standing O here also! > thank you Lynn! > OBC is great > mark z > ------------------------------ > *From:* "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Sunday, April 26, 2015 7:26 PM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell > Lynn, I will always remember your generosity & kindness. You are a true > class act & you will be missed. OBC won't be the same without you. > Allow me to give you a well-deserved OBC virtual standing ovation. > Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 05:28:35 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Farewell Lynn From: Brian Betza ..I'm also standing. This probably belongs on the Thanks server-- but thanks for your generosity and for your fine example of OBC spirit-- I know that I'm far from the only one who you have helped tremendously. I wish you well!! Brian Betza ================= Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:20:02 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell Lynn From: Joshua Levine You will be missed...you have been a great member, a great friend, and a wonderful person. Good luck with whatever comes next for you. I applaud you and yours. -----Original Message----- From: Brian Betza b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 5:28 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell Lynn ..I'm also standing. This probably belongs on the Thanks server-- but thanks for your generosity and for your fine example of OBC spirit-- I know that I'm far from the only one who you have helped tremendously. I wish you Brian Betza Posted by: Brian Betza OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at Groups Links (Yahoo! ID https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:23:30 -0700 To: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell Lynn From: Edward Watts I want to add my voice to the chorus. You will be missed. As always, let me know when you are next back in SD--maybe we can catch that long delayedPadres Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone using voice software. I apologize for any typos. > On Apr 27, 2015, at 8:20 AM, Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Lynn, > You will be missed...you have been a great member, a great friend, and a wonderful person. Good luck with whatever comes next for you. I applaud youand > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Betza b_betza@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 5:28 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell Lynn > ..I'm also standing. This probably belongs on the Thanks server-- but thanks > for your generosity and for your fine example of OBC spirit-- I know thatI'm > far from the only one who you have helped tremendously. I wish you > well!! > Brian Betza > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: > Brian Betza > ------------------------------------ > The > OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each > posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is > permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing > on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) > is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is > governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules > of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at > www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo > Groups Links > (Yahoo! ID > required) > OBC-Ramblings-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 18:37:55 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Farewell From: Sean McGowan they are standing in Andover, Ma. as well. This will be a long ovation, until I get tired and need a drink :) Lynn, you have been the best and I hope everything works out for you. We are diminished by your leaving. Let the road rise to meet you.... ================= To: "'Sean McGowan'" , Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:41:58 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell From: "Matt Yudt" And in Philadelphia too, Lynn - your place of origin! You, perhaps more than any other, enlightened me to the true nature of OBC when I first joined 4 years ago. Will always remember you - and hope we get to play some golf together someday! Live long and prosper Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean McGowan seanobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:38 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell they are standing in Andover, Ma. B as well. B This will be a long ovation, until I get tired and need a drink :) B B Lynn, you have been the best and I hope everything works out for you.B We are diminished by your leaving. Let the road rise to meet you.... ================= To: 'Sean McGowan' , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:49:56 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell From: Tim newcomb Sean, that valediction really touched me. All the messages of response speak volumes about the way you live your life, Lynn. Even though I only lurk now in OBC, let me join all the other guys in wishing you the absolute best in wherever the road takes you - none of us will ever forget you, that's for sure. To: seanobc@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:41:58 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell And in Philadelphia too, Lynn - your place of origin! You, perhaps more than any other, enlightened me to the true nature of OBC when I first joined 4 years ago. Will always remember you - and hope we get to play some golf together someday! Live long and prosper Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean McGowan seanobc@gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:38 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell they are standing in Andover, Ma. B as well. B This will be a long ovation, until I get tired and need a drink :) B B Lynn, you have been the best and I hope everything works out for you.B We are diminished by your leaving. Let the road rise to meet you.... ================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 02:28:30 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en What else can be added that hasn't been already? You have been a tremendous member of OBC over the years. You have personified everything that we have stood for, for nearly 25 years. Your generosity and camaraderie will be sorely missed. I wish we had the chance to catch up in Chicago a few years back, and maybe someday you can come visit all of us at a National and a ball game. Not only do I join the standing ovation, but I also tip my white OBC cap to you. May life treat you well, as you have treated each and every one of us in OBC. You will be sorely missed (even with the impossible Aaron list!) and hopefully someday you return. Our door is always open to you, in or out of OBC! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/28/2015 9:50:03 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Sean, that valediction really touched me. All the messages of response speak volumes about the way you live your life, Lynn. Even though I only lurk now in OBC, let me join all the other guys in wishing you the absolute best in wherever the road takes you - none of us will ever forget you, that's for sure. To: seanobc@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:41:58 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell And in Philadelphia too, Lynn - your place of origin! You, perhaps more than any other, enlightened me to the true nature of OBC when I first joined 4 years ago. Will always remember you - and hope we get to play some golf together someday! Live long and prosper Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sean McGowan seanobc@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 6:38 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Farewell they are standing in Andover, Ma. B as well. B This will be a long ovation, until I get tired and need a drink :) B B Lynn, you have been the best and I hope everything works out for you.B We are diminished by your leaving. Let the road rise to meet you.... ================= Date: 30 Apr 2015 11:26:38 -0700 To: Subject: 1956 and SHORT LISTS on the Year Project From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 15:53:08 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: thanks Jay From: biggies@aol.com Thanks out to JAY TYSVER for 2 really nice hits to my 65 Topps run. Thanks Jay! Bob Bannon ================= Date: 30 Apr 2015 19:15:59 -0700 To: Subject: Set killed after only 45 years! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 03:11:16 +0000 (UTC) To: "" , "" Subject: Quick need for. 64 philadelphia MicK Tinglehoff From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= Date: Fri, 1 May 2015 02:11:24 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set killed after only 45 years! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Very cool Tom, one of my favorite sets. Now what about the 71s? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 4/30/2015 10:16:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Thought I'd share this: today I killed my 1970 Topps Supers set! I found a really cheap Powell on eBay & grabbed it (under 10 bucks) & it arrived today. It has a little scuffing on one edge, but it's the last one I needed the right price. It always feels great to kill a set, no matter how many cards there are. Tom H. ================= Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 23:56:05 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set killed after only 45 years! From: Glenn Codere Congrats, Tom!! I've been working on the 1970 (and 1971) Supers for many years now, but to be honest I haven't really spent too much time looking at how tough (or easy) the remaining cards on my list are. Any tips on which particular cards are the toughies? On Fri, 5/1/15, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set killed after only 45 years! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, May 1, 2015, 3:15 AM Thought I'd share this: today I killed my 1970 Topps Supers set! I found a really cheap Powell on eBay & grabbed it (under 10 bucks) & it arrived today. It has a little scuffing on one edge, but it's the last one I needed at the right It always feels great to kill a set, no matter how many cards there are. Tom H.