================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 07:42:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: The 1969 story... From: Jo Meyer and John Gray The Brock AS and Romo will head your way ASAP! Be happy, John Scott Gray Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 15:41:30 +0000 (UTC) To: "Shirley, Aaron" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The 1969 story... From: tvalacak@comcast.net I've got the Bonds rookie for you. Will get it out to you later this week. ----- Original Message ----- From: "uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 1, 2015 1:55:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The 1969 story... I started really attacking the 1969 Topps set just a week ago, when I went on vacation for a few days and found a couple decent shops in the NW Indiana area. For a long time, in the back of my mind, I had been thinking, "Hey,I've got the Mantle, and a whole stack of other stars... how many other huge cards could there be?" Yeah, right. So last Monday, I visited one shop and had more luck with 1969 than 68/70/71/72 combined. I knocked the 69 list down to only 20 cards: 14 stars and 6 commons. That was the real catalyst I needed. So on Tuesday, at another shop, I dug through close to three thousand unsorted 69s and found another 6 cards - 5 commons and a bent Santo! (Plus a bunch of 1970 sixth and seventh series hits, but that's another story). The progress felt pretty good... SoI decided, "Hey, if I'm gonna buy these from strangers, why not buy them from my OBC friends instead?" Thus the "reverse Dealer Scum" post last Tuesday. Several gentlemen have stepped up and offered help with a card here anda card there. Seaver, Bench, Fingers, Palmer, McLain, Nettles... some really great names! Thanks to all of you for the offers. The first card arrivedSaturday, and I hope to lay hands on the others soon. :) I decided to do a gremlin check, and although there weren't any mistakes, that's when it hit me: I never dug into the varieties. Shoot. So I officially decided against pursuing the white letter / yellow letter stuff, but haveseveral of the others already. So that only leaves 5 major varieties for me to pursue. Really wish I had those on my list when I went to the two shops last week. Might have found some hidden gems. Then I made another major decision. The Ryan and Reggie are out of my purchasing range, even at "ten percent" prices. At least for now. So where does that leave me? Once everything arrives, I should be at 4 main cards to go, plus 5 varieties. Plus of course 289 Bart Shirley! As some of you know, I have a binder with a 9-pocket sheet for each Shirley card. So yeah... These are the four main cards left: 190 Mays 267 Vicente Romo 428 Brock AS 630 Bonds RC I'd entertain offers on these, especially if you have one in the "budget" condition we all know so well. And can anyone please tell me why I can't find a stinkin Vicente Romo? Then these are the five main varieties wanted: 49 Rodriquez - spelled with a Q on the front 77 Perranoski - LA can be seen through airbrush 151 Dalrymple - shown catching 208 Clendenon - Expos 582 Checklist - number in a pink circle on the back If you have one or more of the cards listed, quote me a price on them, and I will get back to you as soon as possible. I don't mean to go on and on about this, but I know you all know how this feels. It's been a long time since I finished a main vintage Topps set. In fact I finished 1973 Topps in...February of 2009. Yep, I just checked. I was privileged to finish the 68 Game, 69 Deckle, and 70 Books sets all in August and September this year... but seriously... this 69 set is momentous for me. And I appreciate all of you for the coordinated efforts which have literally built this set before my Thanks for reading as I type all my racing thoughts out! Nearing the finishof this set is exhiliarating! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 01 Dec 2015 17:27:14 -0800 To: Subject: 1970 Football and GWRBI From: rjsfgmv@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-DealerScum@yahoogroups.com" , "obc Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 01:54:26 +0000 Subject: Reverse scum - looking for an E90-1 card From: Taylor Schock Not sure which server this best fits, so.... I'm possibly looking for an E90-1 card, either in trade or purchase. Probably something in the Good range, or in the $25-$35 range (or is that way offbase?). Open to offers or suggestions if anyone could help or provide guidance if I am way off base. [Yahoo! Groups] Subject: Re: 1970 Football and GWRBI From: ghenthorn34@gmail.com ================= Date: 01 Dec 2015 20:21:55 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 1970 Football and GWRBI From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 20:43:48 -0800 To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Needed one 62 salada coin From: Rick Need 210 schwall to finish the set anyone have one or willing to pull it out of their collection? Do have some high numbers to hit you back Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 01:39:39 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Football and GWRBI From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Awesome! Does this mean the next time we make OBC cards, you are going to charge for the autograph? Can I at least get a free inscription LOL? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/1/2015 8:27:17 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: First, I noticed many emails concerning 1970 Topps Football. Could someone please let me know who all was looking for these? Remember the Game Winning RBI? I liked that stat. MLB kept track of that for awhile. I still keep track of that in my strat o matic league. Here is another reason I like that Stat. Last night, OBC's own, #5, Randy Welk hit the game winning RBI to bring home the Fresno Senior Softball League Championship to the 1st Quality Produce team. I know, you may not care. But I do not know too many people. I had to tell someone. And after 13 years of not playing softball, I did good. 3 for 3 First person to acknowledge my athletic brilliance in this championship game gets a hit to their wantlist. ================= Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 09:28:35 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, Subject: 1936 Goudey R322 wanted From: Robert Fitts I=92m thinking of starting the 1936 Goudey R322 set (the small BW cards). Does anybody have any G/VG cards they want to sell? ================= To: , Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 08:28:25 -0800 Subject: Re: 1970 Football and GWRBI From: "George Vrechek" I have to chime in also on the game winning hit. Way to go. I'm not even looking for a hit to my wantlist. I have played softball each year since college. Two years ago, I went 3 for 3 in a game with our company team and decided I should quit on that note, sort of like Ted Williams, except my last hit was a single and I was 69 years old. This past summer, I just showed up to coach. However, at one game they were a man short and needed me to play to avoid a forfeit. Reluctantly I played even though I told them that I didn't want to screw up my lifetime stats. I went 0 for 3 with nothing leaving the infield. It would have helped had I at least made batting practice. There went my lifetime record. The moral is to quit when you are ahead, just like Ted. George Vrechek ================= Date: 02 Dec 2015 21:16:08 -0800 To: Subject: address From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 13:18:15 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Brad chambers From: OBC Nick P I was just contacted by somebody claiming to be a former member Brad Chambers. Does anybody recognize brads name? Is he a Former obcer? Is he Good to deal Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:39:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: T59 quick question From: Jimi Thayer Regarding the 1911 T59 Flags of All Nations, what are all the back variations, and do all fronts exist with all backs? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 04:38:00 -0500 To: nachobcards@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Brad chambers From: jdelott@aol.com I have traded for him for many years, starting with OBC well over a decade ago. He is good to deal with. -----Original Message----- From: OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 3:45 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Brad chambers I was just contacted by somebody claiming to be a former member Brad Chambers. Does anybody recognize brads name? Is he a Former obcer? Is he Good to deal Nick Pelletier ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Jimi Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 11:08:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T59 quick question From: Taylor Schock ================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 06:13:01 -0500 To: "jdelott@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Brad chambers From: Bob Donaldson Yes he's a former member. Good to deal with On Thursday, December 3, 2015, jdelott@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I have traded for him for many years, starting with OBC well over a decade > ago. He is good to deal with. > -----Original Message----- > From: OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com > [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > > > To: OBC Ramblings > > Sent: Thu, Dec 3, 2015 3:45 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Brad chambers > All, > I was just contacted by somebody claiming to be a former member Brad > Chambers. > Does anybody recognize brads name? Is he a Former obcer? Is he Good to > deal with? > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 06:22:44 -0500 To: nachobcards@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Brad chambers From: Tom Housley Brad was an OBC member from 1997 to 2005. Tom Housley ================= Date: 03 Dec 2015 07:36:46 -0800 To: Subject: eBay item From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 03 Dec 2015 20:29:11 -0800 To: Subject: Test From: ghenthorn34@gmail.com ================= Date: 04 Dec 2015 05:20:40 -0800 To: Subject: Is this tough? From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 12:03:57 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this tough? From: Ken M Jay,  I started all the Fleer sets (70-74) within the last year or so. I have found that they can be found in dollar boxes (or cheaper) since they are not that popular. However, the two edged sword of unpopularity means that only a couple dealers at a big show like The Nationals had any to look through. The toughest ones I've tried to track down (judging by my list) are the black backed 71 WS cards - which also appear to have a few updated cards depicting games played afterwards. The only sets I've completed are the 70 WS (prob the easiest, as there seems to be a lot more of these out there) and the All Time Greats, as I started and finished that one in the late 90's. I really havent pursued them on eBay other than a group lot I won this morning - so I will have some dupes in the near future :-) You should put them on your list TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Fri, Dec 4, 2015 8:20 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Is this tough? After two years of seeking, I'd seen a total of three complete sets of 1974 Fleer Baseball Firsts available on EBay. The first two sold for about $100, I just bought one in ExMt for $45. I consider this a great deal. I have found it even hard to find many singles as at any given time, there may be two to three singles available on EBay. Is it other's experience that this is a hard set to find? I've not looked into the Laughlin cards from the same era (other than Fleer's Laughlin World Series), but are they also hard to find?Would it be futile or worthwhile to seek sets of these?Growing up in the 70s, I've got all of the Fleer sets complete except for Football and Basketball and the logo stuff. I'm seeking the Shakey's stuff already, I'd like to go after some other 70s stuff. Are there any recommendations? I don't really want to go after futile sets like the '73 Pinups which take the cost of a new car to complete. Jay Tysver ================= Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 12:09:03 -0500 To: JTysver1@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this tough? From: Joshua Levine Some of the Laughlin/Fleer sets are TOUGH...the damn Laughlin Batty Baseball Fillies (Phillies) has been on my list forever and just am unwilling to pay more than $5 for it on ebay. I just picked up a single from the Baseball's First set (first slide) the other day at local card shop for 50 cents and eventhough it is in rough condition, I know that set it pretty tough and was very happy to find it. If you want it, let me know, will send it out toyou. -----Original Message----- From: JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 4, 2015 5:20 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this tough? After two years of seeking, I'd seen a total of three complete sets of 1974Fleer Baseball Firsts available on EBay. The first two sold for about $100, I just bought one in ExMt for $45. I consider this a great deal. I have found it even hard to find many singles as at any given time, there may be two to three singles available on EBay. Is it other's experience that this is a hard set to find? I've not looked into the Laughlin cards from the same era (other than Fleer's Laughlin WorldSeries), but are they also hard to find? Would it be futile or worthwhile to seek sets of these? Growing up in the 70s, I've got all of the Fleer sets complete except for Football and Basketball and the logo stuff. I'm seeking the Shakey's stuff already, I'd like to go after some other 70s stuff. Are there any recommendations? I don't really want to go after futile sets like the '73 Pinups which take the cost of a new car to complete. Jay Tysver ================= Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 11:19:04 -0600 To: JTysver1@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is this tough? From: Mark Zentkovich ================= To: "'Robert Fitts'" , Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 12:10:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! [1 Attachment] From: "Bob Donaldson" Keep in mind 4 cents if for one series NOT the whole set. And without the coupon the price jumps to 9 cents. Not as big a bargain as it initially seems! :) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 12:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! [1 [Attachment(s) from Robert Fitts included below] found this while researching my next book on a 1911 Japanese barnstorming team. Thought you guys might enjoy it ================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:13:12 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Fwd: Recommendations needed - John Morrison From: Steve Rittenberg All, John Morrison was on the OBC certified dealer list but is no longer there. I've re-started to process to get him added back. 1. Obtain dealer information - see below 2. Obtain OBC member recommendations. Please reply directly to me with your recommendation. Do not send your reply back to Ramblings because I am not currently subscribed. 3. Forward application and recommendations to the OBC AC. I will do that as soon as I receive sufficient recomemdations. 4. Update the certified dealer list. To be done by the magical people behind the silver curtain. Steve Rittenberg ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: John Morrison Date: Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 5:27 AM Subject: Re: OBC Certified dealer To: srittenberg@gmail.com steve he we go buddy. Name: John Morrison Email: oldbbcards@aol.com Address: po box 583 valley cottage ny 10989 Phone: (845) 268 9283 Website: oldbbcards on eBay Ebay ID: oldbbcards OBC Discount: 50s to 70 commons minor stars 8% of book obc grade vg and below ex or better commons 20% of book web site buy it nows 20% Dealer Comments: i have dealt with obc members for many years. anything you see on my web site email me ay oldbbcards@aol.com or call me at home (845) 268 9283. i don't do shows anymore at 70 i am getting too old for this. i have been dealing in cards since 1981. i am a marine corps veteran may 27 1964-august 27 1968. viet nam july 67 -august 68. i am very proud of being in that fraternity. after that i was a masonry waterproofing contractor till i fell in love with baseball cards. been married to the same beautiful bride for 46 years. have 44 children and 6 grandchildren. thanks john usmc 1964-68 semper fi god bless america ================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:14:37 +0000 (UTC) To: "Donaldson, Bob" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! From: tvalacak@comcast.net Oh Man! Can we go back in time? ----- Original Message ----- From: "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "Robert Fitts" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 11:10:46 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! Keep in mind 4 cents if for one series NOT the whole set. And without the coupon the price jumps to 9 cents. Not as big a bargain as it initially seems! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 12:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! [1 Attachment] [ Attachment(s) from Robert Fitts included below] found this while researching my next book on a 1911 Japanese barnstorming team. Thought you guys might enjoy it ================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 11:14:53 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Recommendations needed - John Morrison From: Steve Rittenberg I forgot the step to specify that the AC approves the application and informs the webmaster. Apologies for the unintended oversight. On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 11:13 AM, Steve Rittenberg wrote: > All, John Morrison was on the OBC certified dealer list but is no > longer there. I've re-started to process to get him added back. > 1. Obtain dealer information - see below > 2. Obtain OBC member recommendations. Please reply directly to me > with your recommendation. Do not send your reply back to Ramblings > because I am not currently subscribed. > 3. Forward application and recommendations to the OBC AC. I will do > that as soon as I receive sufficient recomemdations. > 4. Update the certified dealer list. To be done by the magical people > behind the silver curtain. > Thanks. > Steve Rittenberg > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: John Morrison > Date: Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: OBC Certified dealer > To: srittenberg@gmail.com > steve he we go buddy. > Name: John Morrison > Email: oldbbcards@aol.com > Address: po box 583 valley cottage ny 10989 > Phone: (845) 268 9283 > Website: oldbbcards on eBay > Ebay ID: oldbbcards > OBC Discount: 50s to 70 commons minor stars 8% of book obc grade vg > and below ex or better commons 20% of book web site buy it nows 20% > off > Dealer Comments: i have dealt with obc members for many years. > anything you see on my web site email me ay oldbbcards@aol.com or call > me at home (845) 268 9283. i don't do shows anymore at 70 i am getting > too old for this. i have been dealing in cards since 1981. i am a > marine corps veteran may 27 1964-august 27 1968. viet nam july 67 > -august 68. i am very proud of being in that fraternity. after that i > was a masonry waterproofing contractor till i fell in love with > baseball cards. been married to the same beautiful bride for 46 years. > have 44 children and 6 grandchildren. > thanks john > usmc 1964-68 > semper fi > and > god bless america ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 17:35:55 +0000 Subject: Help with the 63 Salada Coins From: Mac Wubben ================= To: Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 12:53:48 -0800 Subject: Cards that are so unpopular you can't find them From: "George Vrechek" I'll chime in on the subject as well. If you expand your quest of sets to recent vintage like the 1970s Fleer baseball and football products (like I also have), the prices seem to be OK, but the cards just don't show up. Their lack of popularity continues. It seems hard to make much progress on those odd ball sets, and many of us are on the "odd" trail. Maybe we'll find a warehouse full of the unsold stuff? ================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:41:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards that are so unpopular you can't find them From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Then there are those of us that are just plain "odd"... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/5/2015 3:53:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: It seems hard to make much progress on those odd ball sets, and many of us are on the =E2=9Codd=E2=9D trail. ================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 22:55:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Obviously, we'd all start with the last series first :-) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/5/2015 12:14:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Oh Man! Can we go back in time? From: "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "Robert Fitts" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 11:10:46 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! < p> Keep in mind 4 cents if for one series NOT the whole set. And without the coupon the price jumps to 9 cents. Not as big a bargain as it initially seems! J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 5, 2015 12:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] complete 1911 Sporting Life set Very Cheap! [1 [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://162120c0/default.html#TopText) from Robert Fitts included below] found this while researching my next book on a 1911 Japanese barnstorming team. Thought you guys might enjoy it ================= Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 20:35:16 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Sanella availables From: Ed pike If anyone collects these I have a couple dozen available free for the asking. Sports include boxing, wrestling, tennis, and some miscellaneous. Ed Pike Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 02:54:46 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards that are so unpopular you can't find them From: wwesmyster2@aol.com These are some of the reasons I have the 1971 Topps #265 Jim Northrup on mytop 10 list. -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 5, 2015 5:41 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Cards that are so unpopular you can't find them Then there are those of us that are just plain "odd"... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/5/2015 3:53:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com It seems hard to make much progress on those odd ball sets, and many of us are on the =E2=9Codd=E2=9D trail. ================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 10:11:22 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Updated vintage wantlist for OBC Santa From: Raymond Luurs I,VE added some new sets so the OBC Santa has a chance to hit my list. I also have several sets that have only one left--those i dont expect to be hit but if you find them *1952 Topps * 311 (1 left). *Upgrades *-104 199 252 258 324 401 405 (7 left) *1953 Fargo Moorhead*-001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008 009 010 011 012 013 014 015 016 (16 Left). *1953 San Francisco Seals Issue*=E2=94014 (1 left). *1953 Topps-Completed 5/2/01 with Willie Mays (Gus Zabel)* * White Bio=E2=99s--* 114 134 138 143 149 (5 left) *Black Bio=E2=99s-*061 086 088 092 098 099 100 104 109 122 147 151 155 (14 left) *1955 Topps- Completed 10/12/04 with the Sandy Koufax rookie card (California Sports Card) * 137C (53 obscured) *1956 Topps=E2=94Completed 01/10/07 with. Checklist 2/4 (John Morrison) * * White Backs-* 128 132 144 145 150 151 153 161 166 176 (11 Left) *Upgrades*- 4(W) 8(W) 25(W) 59(G) 62 (G) 81(G) 85C(W) 87(G) 93(G) 100A(G) 110(W) 121(W) 122(W), 166(G) 173(G) 271 284 322 330 (19 Left) *1957 Topps- Completed 06/25/2011 with the Gene Baker error card (Kurt Tourdot) * * Upgrades-* 165 198 215 231 360 391 (7 Left) *1958 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 05/02/01 Braves Fence Busters last be put into (ebay) * * Variation--*433A, 433C (2 Left) *Upgrades*- 032A 139 168 195 234 (6 Left) *1959 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 09/02/02 with Mickey Mantle All Star card (Ken *Gray Backs-*- 202 208 240 255 260 280(6 Left) *White Backs=E2=94Completed 2/29/2012 with Warren Giles from the Ballpark being the last * (Cal Havercamp)* *Upgrades- 205(G),*240( G), 255(G) 3 left *1960 TOPPS--Completed 07/20/04 with the Don Drysdale All Star last of 7 cards.(California Sports Cards).* *Variations*-9B 58A 102B *Upgrades*-017 204 209 237 282 298 346 (7 Left) *1961 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 01/05/05 with Roland Sheldon being the last card (California Sports Cards)* * Variation-Completed* *Upgrades-* 048 051 053 070 075 098B 098C 171 265 273A 273B 361A 361B 393 414 437A 446 516 (19 Left) *1962 Jello=E2=94*013 018 025 029 048 060 069 070 088 095 102 103 112 113 116 117 118 133 166 168 171 179 180 181 195 199 200 (28 left) *1962 Post (Canadian baseball*) 005A006B 006C007 010 020 021 022A022B 035 036 037 040 042 043 047 051 052 062 070 075 077 078 085 087 099 1105 108 110 111 112 117 123 125 128 138 144 149B153 159 167 170 172 177 181 182 189 195 (48 left) *1962 Post (Canadian football)-- * 001 002 003 004 005 006 008 010 011 013 014 015 017 018 019 021 022 023 025 029 030 031 032 033 034 035 036 037 038 039 041 042 044 046 049 050 051 053 054 055 058 061 064 065 067 069 070 072 073 077 079 081 082 083 084 085 086 088 089 090 091 093 094 096 097 098 100 101 103 105 107 108 110 111 112 116 119 120 121 123 124 125 126 127 128 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 (94 left) *1963 Jello-- * 108 - ( 1 left). *1963 Post (Canadian Football)- * 001 002 004 005 007 008 009 011 013 014 016 018 019 020 021 022 023 024 025 026 027 028 029 031 032 033 034 035 036 037 038 039 040 041 042 043 045 046 047 048 051 052 053 055 056 057 058 059 061 062 063 064 065 066 068 070 071 073 074 075 076 077 079 080 081 083 084 085 086 087 088 090 091 093 095 096 097 098 099 100 101 103 104 105 106 108 109 111 112 113 114 115 116 118 123 124 125 126 127 128 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 142 143 144 145 146 147 149 150 151 152 153 154 156 157 158 159 160 (127 Left) *1963 TOPPS-----Completed 02/25/05 with Pete Rose (RC)being the last card (California Sports Cards) * *Variation*- 372B 386B 387B 407B 409B 413B 438B 439B 445B (9 left) *Upgrades*--225 299 300 414 439 441 (6 left)*1965 Topps=E2=94completed 05/25/05 with Yankees Rookie card (566) being last card (Ebay) * * Updates--*058 060 070 117 148 162 250 (7) Left) *1966 Topps- Completed 01/08/07 with variation checklist 517 being last (Ebay). * *Variation-Completed 3/12/12 with =E2=9CLarge Print=E2=9D Checklist 3 (ebay)* *Upgrades*-- 101 133 153 413 418 (6 *1967 Topps=E2=94 Completed 10/23/05 AL Pitching leaders being last card (Bill=E2=99s Collectibles )* *Variations*--45B, 191B, 128A, 374A, 402 B, 427A, 447A ( 6 Left) *Upgrades*=E2=94363 334 479 (3 Left) *1968 Topps-Completed 1/21/06 Ray Oyler last card (Naxcom) * *Updates-*- 039 067 094 129 167 173 326 328 352 468 479 504 506 533 555 (15 Left) *1969 Topps- Completed 12/06/05 Joe Pepitone being the last. (ebay) * * Update-- *062 079 088 090 112 122 123 146 149 152 154 155 163 204 214 317 500 504 507 511 (20 Left) *1970 TOPPS=E2=94Variatons-- Completed 3/3/2012* * Upgrades--* 150 240 399 488 660 (5 left) *1970 Topps (Football)-* 113B 159 175 213 228 237 238 247 251 (12 left) Upgrades- 048,190, 250 *1971 TOPPS--(my graduation year, yes Virginia, I took time off from card collecting to actually get an education).(Completed 8/26/03 Bill=E2=99s Sports Collectible finish with Randy Hundley and Sparky Anderson) * * Variation* 630A (1 Left) *Upgrades*-269 480 491 609 (4 left) *1972 TOPPS- Completed 1/17/06 Tim Foli (IA) last card (ebay)* * Upgrades=E2=94*079 406 476 490 502 512 681 773(9 *1972 Topps (Football)* 265, 266, 267, 268, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 281, 283, 285, 286, 287, 288, 290, 291, 293, 294, 295, 298, 299, 300, 302, 304, 311, 312, 314, 315, 316, 319, 320, 323, 327, 329, 331, 333, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 345, 346, 347, 348, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361 (65 left) *1973 TOPPS---- Completed 11/15/03 with Jim Fregosi last card (Mike Rich)* *Upgrades*-237A 252A 365 380 534 535 545 550 560 614 (10 Left) *1974 TOPPS---Completed 03/17/03-card 596 being last (Gary Mandell) * * Updated*-044 126 215 414 (4 left) *1975 TOPPS---Completed 12/31/04 (Gus Zabel) * *Upgrades-- *041 063 117 236 304 361 481 487 511 539 556 567 589 600 601 608 636 (17 Lefts) *1976 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 12/31/04 (Gus Zabel) * * Upgrades-- *017 421 (2 Lefts) 1*977 TOPPS-- Completed 12/25/03 (Bill=E2=99s Sports Collectible) * *1978 TOPPS--Completed 12/31/04 (Gus Zabel) * * Upgrades*--074 289 689 702 (4 Left) * 1980 TOPPS-- Completed 11/13/03 (Bill=E2=99s Sports Collectible) * * Variations-* 87A * Bert Blyleven Card* Hostess Panels-1976(11) Rangers Team Issued-1977(3) Twins Postcards-1975(2), 1976(1) *JIM KAAT* American Tract Society-1961-66(XX) Bazooka Panel-1967(16-18) Burger Chef Disc-1977(169) ChemToy Superball-1970(171) Coke Caps-1967(16) Daily Isle Disc-1976(24) Dayton Dailey News M137-1970(147) Dell Team Stamp-1971(488)* Dexter Press-1968(45) Hostess Panel-1975(109-111) Hostess Twinkies-1975(110) Milton Bradley- 1972(176) MLB Photo Stamp-1969)67), O-Pee-Chee-1967(67), 1968(67) Phillies Canada Dry Can-1976(11) Phillies Photo Album-1976(12) Phillies Postcard-1976(14), 1979(13) Red Barnes Disc-1976(24) Salada Junkett Coin-1963(40) Sports Collector Photostamps1969(JKA)* SSPC Puzzle Back-1975(13) Topps-1964(567), 1970(75) Topps Advertising Panel-1962(3) Topps Greatest Moments-1971(7) Topps Punchouts-1967(43) Topps Stamp-1961(180), Topps Team Issued Color-1969(50), 1972(7) Topps Team Poster-1969(15), 1972(7) Topps Venzuelan-1960(136), 1962(21),1966(224), 1967(236), 1968(67) Twins Cloverleaf Dairy-1961-62(9) Twins Fairway Grocery-1966(6) Twins Jays Publishing-1962(3), 1963(4), 1964(6), 1965(5) Twins Postcards-1961(12), 1965(4) Twins SuperValu-1970(4) Twins Team Issue Color-1969(5) Twins Universal Match Corp-1961(6) Twins Volope-1963(9), 1963(9), 1964(6) Venzuelan Topps Stamps-1972(228)(238) Yankees Picture Album-1979(22) *TONY OLIVA* Bazooka-1965(4), 1966(41), 1967(41), 1968(9) Bazooka Numbered Test1-971(36) Chemtoy Superball-1970(172) Dayton Dailey News-1970(M137-30) Dexter Press-1968(60) MacGregor Staff-1965(7) Matel Mini Records-1971(11) (12) Milton Bradley 1968(165),1972(258) MLB Official Stamps-1968(69),1970(235) OPC-1965(1), 1967(50), 1969(1) OPC Paper Inserts-1967 Tasco Associates-1969(28) Topps Action Stickers-1968(11A) Topps Deckle Edge-1974(62) Topps Greatest Moments-1971(11) Topps Milton Bradley-1968(165) Topps Posters-1972(7) Topps Rookie All-Star Banquet-1964(27) Topps Super-1969(20) Topps Tatoos-1970(11) Topps Team Posters-1969(15) Topps Test Foils-1967(17) Topps Transfer Inserts-1965(72) Topps Venzuelan-1964(116), (216), (220), 1967(230), 1968(165) Twins Fairway Grocery-1966(10) Twins Jay Publishing-1964(7) Twins Postcards-1965(7), 1975(18) Twins Team Issued-1967(12), (13), 1969(9), 1972(15), 1975(21) Dayton Dailey News-1969(M137-153) Dexter Press-1968(72) Milk Duds-1971(31) Milton Bradley-1972(347) MLB Official Stamp- 1970(240), 1971(501) Phillies Team Issued-1973(20) Rangers Postcards-1974(33), 1975(37) Topps Punch Outs-1967(83) Topps Stamp-1969(199) Topps Team Poster-1969(15) Topps Venezuelan-1967 (191) Topps Venezuelan Ovenca-1970(122) (140) Twins Team Issued-1967(20) (21), 1970(11), 1972(23) Twins Team Issued Color-1969(12) Twins Super Valu-1970(12) Venezuelan Ovenca-1970(122)(140) Venezuelan Winter League Sticker-1972-73(152), 1973-74(140), 1974-75(148), 1976-77(13), 1977-78(43),1980-81 Post Card of stadiums I=E2=99ve seen games in--- Cheney Stadium, Cobb Stadium, McCarron Stadium, Midway Stadium, SkySox Stadium, Turner Field Post Card of Capitols of States I visited. (This was started by Jim Wiehe=E2=99s daughter she now got me hooked) Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Nevada, New Mexico North Dakota, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia HAPPY HOLLISTER SERIES-- These are are the ones I need to complete series: Happy Hollisters book =B7 *#33 The Happy Hollisters and the Mystery of the Midnight Trolls* SGT FURY COMICS-- 001 002(2 left)somewhere I like for an email to see if i can afford them thanks for looking. ================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 11:39:54 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Wantlist for OCV Santa From: Raymond Luurs I've added a few new things to the vintage wantlist so OBC Santa wont write and tell me my list is hard to hit *1952 Topps * 311 (1 left). *Upgrades *-104 199 252 258 324 401 405 (7 left) *1953 Fargo Moorhead*-001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008 009 010 011 012 013 014 015 016 (16 Left) *1953 San Francisco Seals Issue*=E2=94014 (1 left). *1953 Topps-Completed 5/2/01 with Willie Mays (Gus Zabel)* * White Bio=E2=99s--* 114 134 138 143 149 (5 left) *Black Bio=E2=99s-*061 086 088 092 098 099 100 104 109 122 147 151 155 (14 left) *1955 Topps- Completed 10/12/04 with the Sandy Koufax rookie card (California Sports Card) * 137C (53 obscured) *1956 Topps=E2=94Completed 01/10/07 with. Checklist 2/4 (John Morrison) * * White Backs-* 128 132 144 145 150 151 153 161 166 176 (11 Left) *Upgrades*- 4(W) 8(W) 25(W) 59(G) 62 (G) 81(G) 85C(W) 87(G) 93(G) 100A(G) 110(W) 121(W) 122(W), 166(G) 173(G) 271 284 322 330 (19 Left) *1957 Topps- Completed 06/25/2011 with the Gene Baker error card (Kurt Tourdot) * * Upgrades-* 165 198 215 231 360 391 (7 Left) *1958 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 05/02/01 Braves Fence Busters last be put into (ebay) * * Variation--*433A, 433C (2 Left) *Upgrades*- 032A 139 168 195 234 (6 Left) *1959 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 09/02/02 with Mickey Mantle All Star card (Ken *Gray Backs-*- 202 208 240 255 260 280(6 Left) *Upgrades- 205(G),*240( G), 255(G) 3 left *1960 TOPPS--Completed 07/20/04 with the Don Drysdale All Star last of 7 cards.(California Sports Cards).* *Variations*-9B 58A 102B *Upgrades*-017 204 209 237 282 298 346 (7 Left) *1961 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 01/05/05 with Roland Sheldon being the last card (California Sports Cards)* *Upgrades-* 048 051 053 070 075 098B 098C 171 265 273A 273B 361A 361B 393 414 437A 446 516 (19 Left *1962 Jello=E2=94*013 018 025 029 048 060 069 070 088 095 102 103 112 113 116 117 118 133 166 168 171 179 180 181 195 199 200 (28 left) *1962 Post (Canadian baseball*) 005A006B 006C007 010 020 021 022A022B 035 036 037 040 042 043 047 051 052 062 070 075 077 078 085 087 099 1105 108 110 111 112 117 123 125 128 138 144 149B153 159 167 170 172 177 181 182 189 195 (48 left) *1962 Post (Canadian football)-- * 001 002 003 004 005 006 008 010 011 013 014 015 017 018 019 021 022 023 025 029 030 031 032 033 034 035 036 037 038 039 041 042 044 046 049 050 051 053 054 055 058 061 064 065 067 069 070 072 073 077 079 081 082 083 084 085 086 088 089 090 091 093 094 096 097 098 100 101 103 105 107 108 110 111 112 116 119 120 121 123 124 125 126 127 128 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 (94 left) *1963 Jello-- * 108 - ( 1 left). *1963 Post (Canadian Football)- * 001 002 004 005 007 008 009 011 013 014 016 018 019 020 021 022 023 024 025 026 027 028 029 031 032 033 034 035 036 037 038 039 040 041 042 043 045 046 047 048 051 052 053 055 056 057 058 059 061 062 063 064 065 066 068 070 071 073 074 075 076 077 079 080 081 083 084 085 086 087 088 090 091 093 095 096 097 098 099 100 101 103 104 105 106 108 109 111 112 113 114 115 116 118 123 124 125 126 127 128 130 131 132 133 134 135 136 137 138 139 142 143 144 145 146 147 149 150 151 152 153 154 156 157 158 159 160 (127 Left) *1963 TOPPS-----Completed 02/25/05 with Pete Rose (RC)being the last card (California Sports Cards) * *Variation*- 372B 386B 387B 407B 409B 413B 438B 439B 445B (9 left *Upgrades*--225 299 300 414 439 441 (6 left) *1964 TOPPS--- completed 04/25/05 with Ed Kranepool being last card (Bill Henderson) * * Upgrades*-042 102 151 188 362 512 (6 Left) *1965 Topps=E2=94completed 05/25/05 with Yankees Rookie card (566) beinglast card (Ebay) * * Updates--*058 060 070 117 148 162 250 (7) Left) *1967 Philadelphia Gum Cards- Completed 5/28/05 with New Orleans (121) last card (Naxcom) * *1967 Topps=E2=94 Completed 10/23/05 AL Pitching leaders being last card (Bill=E2=99s Collectibles )* *Variations*--45B, 191B, 128A, 374A, 402 B, 427A, 447A ( 6 Left) *Upgrades*=E2=94363 334 479 (3 Left) *1968 Topps-Completed 1/21/06 Ray Oyler last card (Naxcom) * * Variations*-- Completed 05/12/2014 *Updates-*- 039 067 094 129 167 173 326 328 352 468 479 504 506 533 555 (15 Left) *1969 Topps- Completed 12/06/05 Joe Pepitone being the last. (ebay) * * Update-- *062 079 088 090 112 122 123 146 149 152 154 155 163 204 214 317 500 504 507 511 (20 Left) *1970 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 1/17/06 Jake Gibbs last card (Naxcom) (ebay)* * Upgrades--* 150 240 399 488 660 (5 left) *1970 Topps (Football)-* 113B 159 175 213 228 237 238 247 251 (12 left) Upgrades- 048,190, 250 *1971 TOPPS--(my graduation year, yes Virginia, I took time off from card collecting to actually get an education).(Completed 8/26/03 Bill=E2=99s Sports Collectible finish with Randy Hundley and Sparky Anderson) * * Variation* 630A (1 Left) *Upgrades*-269 480 491 609 (4 left) *1972 TOPPS- ** Upgrades=E2=94*079 406 476 490 502 512 681 773 (9 Left) *1972 Topps (Football)* 265, 266, 267, 268, 270, 271, 272, 273, 274, 275, 276, 277, 278, 279, 281, 283, 285, 286, 287, 288, 290, 291, 293, 294, 295, 298, 299, 300, 302, 304, 311, 312, 314, 315, 316, 319, 320, 323, 327, 329, 331, 333, 335, 336, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 345, 346, 347, 348, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361 (65 left) *1973 TOPPS---- Completed 11/15/03 with Jim Fregosi last card (Mike Rich)* *Upgrades*-237A 252A 365 380 534 535 545 550 560 614 (10 Left) *1974 TOPPS---Completed 03/17/03-card 596 being last (Gary Mandell) * * Updated*-044 126 215 414 (4 left) *1975 TOPPS---Completed 12/31/04 (Gus Zabel) * *Upgrades-- *041 063 117 236 304 361 481 487 511 539 556 567 589 600 601 608 636 (17 Lefts) *1976 TOPPS=E2=94Completed 12/31/04 (Gus Zabel) * * Upgrades-- *017 421 (2 Lefts) *1978 TOPPS--Completed 12/31/04 (Gus Zabel) * * Upgrades*--074 289 689 702 (4 Left) 1*979 TOPPS-- Completed 12/25/03 (Bill=E2=99s Sports Collectible) * *1980 TOPPS-- Completed 11/13/03 (Bill=E2=99s Sports Collectible) * * Variations-* 87A * Bert Blyleven Card* Hostess Panels-1976(11) Rangers Team Issued-1977(3) Twins Postcards-1975(2), 1976(1) *JIM KAAT* American Tract Society-1961-66(XX) Bazooka Panel-1967(16-18) Burger Chef Disc-1977(169) ChemToy Superball-1970(171) Coke Caps-1967(16) Daily Isle Disc-1976(24) Dayton Dailey News M137-1970(147) Dell Team Stamp-1971(488)* Dexter Press-1968(45) Hostess Panel-1975(109-111) Hostess Twinkies-1975(110) Milton Bradley- 1972(176) MLB Photo Stamp-1969)67), O-Pee-Chee-1967(67), 1968(67) Phillies Canada Dry Can-1976(11) Phillies Photo Album-1976(12) Phillies Postcard-1976(14), 1979(13) Red Barnes Disc-1976(24) Salada Junkett Coin-1963(40) Sports Collector Photostamps1969(JKA)* SSPC Puzzle Back-1975(13) Topps-1964(567), 1970(75) Topps Advertising Panel-1962(3) Topps Greatest Moments-1971(7) Topps Punchouts-1967(43) Topps Stamp-1961(180), Topps Team Issued Color-1969(50), 1972(7) Topps Team Poster-1969(15), 1972(7) Topps Venzuelan-1960(136), 1962(21),1966(224), 1967(236), 1968(67) Twins Cloverleaf Dairy-1961-62(9) Twins Fairway Grocery-1966(6) Twins Jays Publishing-1962(3), 1963(4), 1964(6), 1965(5) Twins Postcards-1961(12), 1965(4) Twins SuperValu-1970(4) Twins Team Issue Color-1969(5) Twins Universal Match Corp-1961(6) Twins Volope-1963(9), 1963(9), 1964(6) Venzuelan Topps Stamps-1972(228)(238) Yankees Picture Album-1979(22) *TONY OLIVA* Bazooka-1965(4), 1966(41), 1967(41), 1968(9) Bazooka Numbered Test1-971(36) Chemtoy Superball-1970(172) Dayton Dailey News-1970(M137-30) Dexter Press-1968(60) MacGregor Staff-1965(7) Matel Mini Records-1971(11) (12) Milton Bradley 1968(16) MLB Official Stamps-1968(69),1970(235) OPC-1965(1), 1967(50), 1968(165), 1969(1) OPC Paper Inserts-1967 Tasco Associates-1969(28) Topps Action Stickers-1968(11A) Topps Deckle Edge-1974(62) Topps Greatest Moments-1971(11) Topps Milton Bradley-1968(165) Topps Posters-1972(7) Topps Rookie All-Star Banquet-1964(27) Topps Super-1969(20) Topps Tatoos-1970(11) Topps Team Posters-1969(15) Topps Test Foils-1967(17) Topps Transfer Inserts-1965(72) Topps Venzuelan-1964(116), (216), (220), 1967(230), 1968(165) Twins Fairway Grocery-1966(10) Twins Jay Publishing-1964(7) Twins Postcards-1965(7), 1975(18) Twins SuperValu-1970(7) Twins Team Issued-1967(12), (13), 1969(9), 1972(15), 1975(21) Dayton Dailey News-1969(M137-153) Dexter Press-1968(72) Milk Duds-1971(31) Milton Bradley-1972(347) MLB Official Stamp- 1970(240), 1971(501) Phillies Team Issued-1973(20) Rangers Postcards-1974(33), 1975(37) Topps Punch Outs-1967(83) Topps Stamp-1969(199) Topps Team Poster-1969(15) Topps Venezuelan-1967 (191) Topps Venezuelan Ovenca-1970(122) (140) Twins Team Issued-1967(20) (21), 1970(11), 1972(23) Twins Team Issued Color-1969(12) Twins Super Valu-1970(12) Venezuelan Ovenca-1970(122)(140) Venezuelan Winter League Sticker-1972-73(152), 1973-74(140), 1974-75(148), 1976-77(13), 1977-78(43),1980-81 Post Card of stadiums I=E2=99ve seen games in--- Cheney Stadium, Cobb Stadium, McCarron Stadium, Midway Stadium, SkySox Stadium, Turner Field Post Card of Capitols of States I visited. (This was started by Jim Wiehe=E2=99s daughter she now got me hooked) Alabama, Florida, Georgia, Maryland, Nevada, New Mexicoorth Dakota, South Carolina, Virginia, West Virginia Twins=E2=99 Team Sets (Topps) HAPPY HOLLISTER SERIES-- These are are the ones I need to complete series: Happy Hollisters book =B7 *#33 The Happy Hollisters and the Mystery of the Midnight Trolls* SGT FURY COMICS-- 001 002(2 left) ================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 14:50:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1956 Topps Flags of the World giveaway! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I lucked out big time with an EBay purchase of 29 '56T Flags of World cardsfor less than $10. They were advertised as fair to good condition although the picture provided indicated much nicer. The backs weren't shown, so Ifigured the backs were messed up and the guy didn't want to show the pics.....so I bid accordingly. I couldn't believe it when they arrived and the backs were gorgeous and they were all EX+! This never happens to me! :) Furthermore.....of the 29 cards, I needed 27 of them! He didn't provide numbers in the description, and man, I lucked out! Soooooo, that left me with 2 cards I no longer needed. I upgraded my set, and I have these two available: #28 Bulgaria F/G #35 Colombia F/G LMK if you can use them! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 06 Dec 2015 16:42:29 -0800 To: Subject: HOF waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 17:18:38 -0800 Subject: New one on me........ From: "Grant Rainsley" Perhaps I have led a sheltered life=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.but while doing a New York Times crossword puzzle we came across this word=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=9DOne o=E2=99cat.=E2=9D I hadnever heard of it, so of course I had to research it using Dr. Google=E2=A6..sounds kinda like OBC=E2=99s =E2=9CHalf-rubber?=E2=9D=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.anyone else living in my glass jar? Maybe I=E2=99m just not old enough=E2=A6=E2=A6.yet. one old cat [wuhn-uh kat] /=CB=88w=CA=8Cn =C9=99 =CB=8Ck=C3=A6t/ A form of baseball in which there is a home plate and one other base, and in which a player remains at bat and scores runs by hitting the ball and running to the base and back without being put out. Also, one o' cat, one-a-cat Origin of one old cat 1840-50, Americanism Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2015. Sorta half-sounds like Cricket=E2=A6=E2=A6no idea how may fielders there are and where they are placed=E2=A6=E2=A6..let alone equipment ofthe ================= Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 22:00:02 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire: 76-76 Topps basketball tall boys From: Ed Pike on the waiver wire: Rich Jones (52), Eric Money (58), and Austin Carr (53) Ticky Burden (51), Bird Averitt (48) John Drew (59) Mike Riordan (56) John Shumate (61) Ed Pike ================= To: Grant Rainsley , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 19:23:42 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New one on me........ From: David Fallen I played this game a lot as a kid - never knew it had a name. Usually played with two players in my neighbor's enclosed back yard. With three players we preferred a game pf pickle. With four or more players (but not enough for two sides) we would play work-up. Dave Fallen On 12/6/2015 5:18 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Perhaps I have led a sheltered life……….but while doing a New York > Times crossword puzzle we came across this word……………”One o’cat.” I > had never heard of it, so of course I had to research it using Dr. > Google…..sounds kinda like OBC’s “Half-rubber?”……….anyone else > living in my glass jar? Maybe I’m just not old enough…….yet. > one old cat > [wuhn-uhkat] /ˈwʌn ə ˌkæt/ > Noun > A form of baseball in which there is a home plate and one other base, > and in which a player remains at bat and scores runs by hitting the > ball and running to the base and back without being put out. > Also, oneo'cat,one-a-cat > . > Origin of oneoldcat > 1840-1850 > 1840-50,Americanism > Dictionary.com Unabridged > Based on the Random House Dictionary, © Random House, Inc. 2015. > Sorta half-sounds like Cricket……no idea how may fielders there are and > where they are placed……..let alone equipment of the day…….. > Grant ================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 12:51:49 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New one on me........ From: We also played this game growing up in the Philly suburbs, along with many variations, depending on the number of people we had. Also, is you do crossword puzzles, it shows up as an answer quite often. ---- "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" Perhaps I have led a sheltered life=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.but while doing a New York Times crossword puzzle we came across this word=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=9DOne o=E2=99cat.=E2=9D I hadnever heard of it, so of course I had to research it using Dr. Google=E2=A6..sounds kinda like OBC=E2=99s =E2=9CHalf-rubber?=E2=9D=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.anyone else living in my glass jar? Maybe I=E2=99m just not old enough=E2=A6=E2=A6.yet. one old cat [wuhn-uh kat] /=CB=88w=CA=8Cn =C9=99 =CB=8Ck=C3=A6t/ A form of baseball in which there is a home plate and one other base, and in which a player remains at bat and scores runs by hitting the ball and running to the base and back without being put out. Also, one o' cat, one-a-cat Origin of one old cat 1840-50, Americanism Dictionary.com Unabridged Based on the Random House Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2015. Sorta half-sounds like Cricket=E2=A6=E2=A6no idea how may fielders there are and where they are placed=E2=A6=E2=A6..let alone equipment ofthe ================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 07:50:21 -0600 To: "" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New one on me........ From: Jay Tysver Isn't this hotbox? That's what we used to play JAY TYSVER > On Dec 7, 2015, at 6:51 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > We also played this game growing up in the Philly suburbs, along with many variations, depending on the number of people we had. Also, is you do crossword puzzles, it shows up as an answer quite often. > Bob > ---- "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" > Perhaps I have led a sheltered life=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.but while doing a New York Times crossword puzzle we came across this word=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=9DOne o=E2=99cat.=E2=9D I had never heard of it, so of course I had to research it using Dr. Google=E2=A6..sounds kinda like OBC=E2=99s =E2=9CHalf-rubber?=E2=9D=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.anyone else living in my glass jar? Maybe I=E2=99m just not old enough=E2=A6=E2=A6.yet. > one old cat > [wuhn-uh kat] /=CB=88w=CA=8Cn =C9=99 =CB=8Ck=C3=A6t/ > Noun > A form of baseball in which there is a home plate and one other base, andin which a player remains at bat and scores runs by hitting the ball and running to the base and back without being put out. > Also, one o' cat, one-a-cat > Origin of one old cat > 1840-1850 > 1840-50, Americanism > Dictionary.com Unabridged > Based on the Random House Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2015. > Sorta half-sounds like Cricket=E2=A6=E2=A6no idea how may fielders there are and where they are placed=E2=A6=E2=A6..let alone equipment of the day=E2=A6=E2=A6.. > Grant ================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 09:46:35 -0500 To: Jay Tysver Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New one on me........ From: Rob Bessette We always called it "pickle". > On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Jay Tysver JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Isn't this hotbox? That's what we used to play > JAY TYSVER >> On Dec 7, 2015, at 6:51 AM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> We also played this game growing up in the Philly suburbs, along with many variations, depending on the number of people we had. Also, is you do crossword puzzles, it shows up as an answer quite often. >> Bob >> ---- "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" >> Perhaps I have led a sheltered life=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.but whiledoing a New York Times crossword puzzle we came across this word=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=9DOne o=E2=99cat.=E2=9D I had never heard of it, so of course I had to research it using Dr. Google=E2=A6..sounds kinda like OBC=E2=99s =E2=9CHalf-rubber?=E2=9D=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.anyone else living in my glass jar? Maybe I=E2=99m just not old enough=E2=A6=E2=A6.yet. >> one old cat >> [wuhn-uh kat] /=CB=88w=CA=8Cn =C9=99 =CB=8Ck=C3=A6t/ >> Noun >> A form of baseball in which there is a home plate and one other base, and in which a player remains at bat and scores runs by hitting the ball and running to the base and back without being put out. >> Also, one o' cat, one-a-cat >> Origin of one old cat >> 1840-1850 >> 1840-50, Americanism >> Dictionary.com Unabridged >> Based on the Random House Dictionary, =A9 Random House, Inc. 2015. >> Sorta half-sounds like Cricket=E2=A6=E2=A6no idea how may fieldersthere are and where they are placed=E2=A6=E2=A6..let alone equipmentof the day=E2=A6=E2=A6.. >> Grant ================= Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 17:54:08 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 1950s Upgrades Give away From: Robert Fitts Just upgraded some sets and have the rejects for anybody who wants them. These are rough but not uncollectible. Please send along your mailing address. I=92ll try to speed them among as many as possible 1950 Bowman 9 wertz, 11 rizzuto, 17 hudson, 29 stanky, 30 waitkus, 64 dark 1955 Topps 55 repulski 1955 Bowman 111 Ridzik ================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 18:17:54 -0600 To: Rob Bessette Subject: Nephew's tree From: Jay Tysver My sister just posted a picture of her Christmas tree. Her son, whom a couple OBCers sent some cards to, has decided to decorate his tree with baseball The kid's got a future in this hobby! ================= Date: Mon, 07 Dec 2015 19:24:01 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Beat up Bowmans all gone. From: Robert Fitts I've had plenty of responses and will parcel out the cards thanks so much. ================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:00:55 -0600 To: "" , john harrell Subject: I forgot who sent'em From: john harrell The senioritis is progressing rapidly in Mungumry. Someone sent me two nice 52 Bowmans, packaged in two separate Bowman-sized envelopes. I unfortunately have lost the mailing envelope, so cannot show appropriate thanks. Will the kind individual who sent them please let me know so that I can return the thanks. ================= Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:08:13 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hostess From: Rick For the person that bought the other hostess from Ken or anyone else that may have some dupes I bought the 78's and have a bunch of dupes (21)would love to swap these for ones I need. Rick 1975 hostess 3,6,8,11,14,15,17,18,37,39,44,48,51,52,55,56,57,61,62,63,71,75,76, 1976 hostess 11,22,26,27,28,30,33,36,38,43,46,47,49,52,54,58,59,62,63,83,85, 86,88,89,90,93,100,101,103,105,132,134, 135,138,141,143,149 1977 hostess 19,20,21,22,24,29,30,33,34,35,43,63,72,74,75,77,78,81,91,99,101, 102,104,107,114,116,117,120,133, 136,139, 140,141 1978 hostess I only have # 2-3-6-7-8-9-16-17-20-22-23-24-25-37-38-39-44-47-48-49-50-51-52-54-55-58-61-62-64-67-70-72-76-82-86-92-93-94-95-96-100-101-1= 1979 hostess 2,11,13,19,24,25,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,38,41,50,53,58,60,66,72,74,75, 77,79,80,81,82,83,84,85,86, 87,88,90, 91,92,93,94,95,96,97,99,101,102,103,104 126,127,128,129, 130,131,132,133,135,136,137,138,139,140,141,142,143,145,146,147,148,149,150 Sent from my iPad ================= To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 08:43:00 -0500 Subject: free hosted web page From: "Bob Donaldson" Looking for something that's free and simple. I just want to host a have list for my sports games DVD trading. Very basic, one page of thext that's Any recommendations? ================= To: Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 08:59:39 -0800 Subject: Re: New one on me........ From: "George Vrechek" How about half-rubber? Anyone play that? You cut a solid rubber baseball in two and threw it. It went like a Frisbee or a wild knuckle ball. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 09:07:27 -0800 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New one on me........ From: Geordie Calvert Half rubber was played at Mike Hair's house every year at the OBC Vegas gathering. Fun game. > On Dec 8, 2015, at 8:59 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > How about half-rubber? Anyone play that? > You cut a solid rubber baseball in two and threw it. It went like a Frisbee or a wild knuckle ball. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 13:03:16 -0500 To: dodgergeo@comcast.net, vrechek@ameritech.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New one on me........ From: topgolf@aol.com ,,,and we are still looking for the half rubber that Georgie hit, as well as Geno's roof aided long drive from the Championship Rest well, Mike Hair Aspen Creek Cycling A bike shop for the rest of us -----Original Message----- From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2015 9:07 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New one on me........ Half rubber was played at Mike Hair's house every year at the OBC Vegas gathering. Fun game. On Dec 8, 2015, at 8:59 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: How about half-rubber? Anyone play that? You cut a solid rubber baseball in two and threw it. It went like a Frisbeeor a wild knuckle ball. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 13:04:06 -0500 To: dodgergeo@comcast.net, vrechek@ameritech.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New one on me........ From: topgolf@aol.com Geordie that is Rest well, Mike Hair Aspen Creek Cycling A bike shop for the rest of us -----Original Message----- From: topgolf@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: dodgergeo ; vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2015 10:03 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New one on me........ ,,,and we are still looking for the half rubber that Georgie hit, as well as Geno's roof aided long drive from the Championship Rest well, Mike Hair Aspen Creek Cycling A bike shop for the rest of us -----Original Message----- From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 8, 2015 9:07 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: New one on me........ Half rubber was played at Mike Hair's house every year at the OBC Vegas gathering. Fun game. On Dec 8, 2015, at 8:59 AM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: How about half-rubber? Anyone play that? You cut a solid rubber baseball in two and threw it. It went like a Frisbeeor a wild knuckle ball. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 10:24:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: Jimi Thayer Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....Inow want them again!!!), I have a couple questions. 1) Regarding #139, is #139a Reniff the green tint, and #139b Reniff the regular even with the variation? In other words, the pitching version only comes in a green tint right? 2) #139c Ruth (pole) is the green tint, and the #139b Ruth (no pole) is nota green tint right? 3) So in the end, I will own 4 cards from #139?? 4) Do the same rules apply for the rest of the green tint variations like Walls, Angels Team, Hoeft, Kunkel, Willey, Yost, Moon, and 192 CL? 5) Aside from the green tints and other normal 1962 Topps variations listedin SCD or Beckett, are there any other lesser known variations? 6) Does ANYONE have a wrapper or pack at all from this year for trade or sale? Thanks so much for your help. This set is easily my favorite Topps set of all time. I remember a few years ago even having a dream of opening cello packs from that year! LOL Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 10:58:39 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: Ken M Jimi,  First, welcome to the madness that is variation collecting! Basically, there's one green tint to go with each card in the series. There is also a misnumbered Reniff(non-green). The pose variations are the green tints, so there are not more than two versions of any card... (Except 139). The green tint Reniff is the pitching pose - it is also misnumbered, so there technically is no green tint with the number 159. The regular Reniff has two numbers, so you will end up with four #139's: Two Ruth's and two Reniff's and only the one #159 (corrected Reniff).  Telling the difference between the green and non-green tints is super easy too (everyone should collect them!) All the pictures are cropped differently top to bottom and/or left to right and there's differences in the wood grain border too. There is a side by side comparison somewhere on our site or yahoogroups, but I forget at the moment. So everyone if you haven't done so already, go to your wantlists and add those 1 962's... Oh, it appears as though the nice young man in the white coat is here to change my extra long sleeve sweater and give me my meds, so I gotta go. Happy collecting! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Wed, Dec 9, 2015 10:24 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....I now want them again!!!), I have a couple questions.1) Regarding #139, is #139a Reniff the green tint, and #139b Reniff the regular even with the variation? In other words, the pitching version only comes in a green tint right?2) #139c Ruth (pole) is the green tint, and the #139b Ruth (no pole) is not a green tint right? 3) So in the end, I will own 4 cards from #139??4) Do the same rules apply for the rest of the green tint variations like Walls, Angels Team, Hoeft, Kunkel, Willey, Yost, Moon, and 192 CL? 5) Aside from the green tints and other normal 1962 Topps variations listed in SCD or Beckett, are there any other lesser known variations?6) Does ANYONE have a wrapper or pack at all from this year for trade or sale? 😁Thanks so much for your help. This set is easily my favorite Topps set of all time. I remember a few years ago even having a dream of opening cello packs from that year! LOLJIM ================= Date: 09 Dec 2015 08:32:42 -0800 To: Subject: 1972 Topps original available From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: 09 Dec 2015 08:35:13 -0800 To: Subject: Topps high number 391 to trade From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= To: "'Ken M'" , Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 08:44:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: "Grant Rainsley" And we aren=E2=99t going to mention the =E2=9Cfloating heads=E2=9D or the Checklists, are we=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6they made me From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 7:59 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps First, welcome to the madness that is variation collecting! Basically, there's one green tint to go with each card in the series. There is also a misnumbered Reniff(non-green). The pose variations are the green tints, so there are not more than two versions of any card... (Except 139). The green tint Reniff is the pitching pose - it is also misnumbered, so there technically is no green tint with the number 159. The regular Reniff has two numbers, so you will end up with four #139's: Two Ruth's and two Reniff's and only the one #159 (corrected Reniff). Telling the difference between the green and non-green tints is super easy too (everyone should collect them!) All the pictures are cropped differently top to bottom and/or left to right and there's differences in the wood grain border too. There is a side by side comparison somewhere on our site or yahoogroups, but I forget at the moment. So everyone if you haven't doneso already, go to your wantlists and add those 1962's... Oh, it appears asthough the nice young man in the white coat is here to change my extra long sleeve sweater and give me my meds, so I gotta go. Happy collecting! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original m essage------ From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Dec 9, 2015 10:24 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....Inow want them again!!!), I have a couple questions.1) Regarding #139, is #139a Reniff the green tint, and #139b Reniff the regular even with the variation? ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 17:03:39 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: 1962 greenies From: Glenn Codere Thanks a lot, Jimi! Any mention of those suckers and I develop a tic reminiscent of Chief Inspector Dreyfuss from the Pink Panther movies. I still have 3 of the **#$^*s to go....all some Ruth dude. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 12:24:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1958 and 1959 Topps WAIVER WIRE! From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I'm waaaaaaay behind e-mails. I'll get to you. I've been working on A LOTof projects and trying to get caught up, but I'll get there! Even though I still need a total of 759 cards to complete my 1958 and 1959 Topps sets, I do have a few cards to unload, so let me know if you can use any of the following! 1958 Topps: #119, 306 1959 Topps: #2, 18, 64, 132, 133, 133, 133, 135, 144, 144, 154, 161, 307, 309, 313. 313, 314, 341, 366, 367, 367, 372, 381, 412, 412, 412, 451, 454, 458, 472, 472 LMK if you can use any, and please provide your address. Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:25:04 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Venezuelans From: Rick I bought a few Venezuelans from a guy on net54 he just listed the ones I didn't buy 64's $5 and 67's $2. I haven't received the cards yet so I can't say if there is a problem but don't expect one. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 09 Dec 2015 10:36:37 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 09 Dec 2015 10:40:23 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 13:55:37 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jump ball! From: Bob Corvello In his recent campaign of generosity madness, Richard Labs sent me two great '51 cards - one a '51 Bowman that I really needed and the other, a Topps Redback that I unfortunately have already. It's #23 and I think Richard misread my wantlist which includes #24. Anyway, that mistake in no way diminishes the Labs generosity that we have seen so much of in the last several days; but it did provide a little dilemma for me. I wrote to Richard and asked if he wanted me to send back the card or just forward it on to some other deserving member of the group. As you might have guessed by now, Richard, once again generous to the core, told me to forward it on to someone who needs it. It has a few light creases but is not in bad shape at all. The player is Ray Boone, who, if I recall correctly, is Aaron Boone's father. Sad memories for me on that one - think 2003. Anyway - jump ball! The first OBC'er who needs it and sends me a claim with his current address gets this baby! Bob Corvello ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 13:56:58 -0500 To: friar4@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jump ball! From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en Ray Boone is Aaron's grandfather! Best regards, In a message dated 12/09/2015 1:55:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: In his recent campaign of generosity madness, Richard Labs sent me two great '51 cards - one a '51 Bowman that I really needed and the other, a Topps Redback that I unfortunately have already. It's #23 and I think Richard misread my wantlist which includes #24. Anyway, that mistake in no way diminishes the Labs generosity that we have seen so much of in the last several days; but it did provide a little dilemma for me. I wrote to Richard and asked if he wanted me to send back the card or just forward it on to some other deserving member of the group. As you might have guessed by now, Richard, once again generous to the core, told me to forward it on to someone who needs it. It has a few light creases but is not in bad shape at all. The player is Ray Boone, who, if I recall correctly, is Aaron Boone's father. Sad memories for me on that one - think 2003. Anyway - jump ball! The first OBC'er who needs it and sends me a claim with his current address gets this baby! Bob Corvello ================= To: , Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2015 21:55:04 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: "Matt Yudt" I don't collect variations (wink wink), just a few cool 'alternate printings' like the greenies, 60 back variations, 74 Nationals, etc. I have the greenies side by side in binder with the 3rd column empty and its real cool to page through, and when you get an occasional hit. But what I wanted to add was the Housley's link is indeed the key and the final determination is to the look at the wood grains around the edges. This is essential for telling the difference on the checklist and even a few others. Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 09, 2015 1:37 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps Jimi and any others wondering You need to START with Tom Housley's page on this. There's a link to it on our website: http://www.oldbaseball.com/library.html But the direct link is here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/show It is my first go-to source when I score a second series hit. I too am working on better understanding the green tints at this very moment. My goal is currently just to collect - One or the other for each card number (basically building a base set) - BOTH of the varieties with the significant pose variations. - BOTH varieties of all the Cardinals. Then someday, perhaps when I'm down to 100 or so to finish the base set, I will switch gears toward getting the whole run. I know it's madness, and I'm holding it off as long as I can! The way I understand card 139 is there were two in the first (green tint) run: Ruth and Reniff. Then EACH of those were corrected. So yes, four cards with that number. But for the pose variations you mentioned, one is green tint, the other is "corrected." So only two cards for those. I would like to know if there is a REASON those few were changed so much. Speaking of which, nearly every card has a noticeable cropping difference from green tint to corrected. So if you're having trouble figuring it out, check his elbow, or the letters on his jersey, or how many buttons you see... things like that. As for other varieties, I have two main sources: The Trading Card Database http://www.tradingcarddb.com/Errors.cfm/sid/55/1962-Topps and the Card-Variations Yahoo group, maintained I think by George Vrechek and Taylor Schock. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/card-variations/info Hope that helps. Welcome to a much bigger, much greener world! ================= Date: 09 Dec 2015 19:53:57 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:11:33 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 greenies From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en But look how far you have come since I got you started bwahhahahaa! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/9/2015 12:03:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks a lot, Jimi! Any mention of those suckers and I develop a tic reminiscent of Chief Inspector Dreyfuss from the Pink Panther movies. I still have 3 of the **#$^*s to go....all some Ruth dude. _Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android_ (https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.srcAndroid) ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:14:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Here's a checklist of the 1962 variations: 1962 Topps 22 1st Ser Checklist Numbers 121-176 on Back Numbers 33-88 on Back 1962 Topps 110 Skowron Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 111 Green Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 112 Foiles Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 113 White Sox Team Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 114 Koplitz Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 115 Skinner Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 116 Score Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 117 Geiger Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 118 Javier Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 119 Murphy Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 120 Purkey Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 121 Hitchcock Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 122 Bass Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 123 De La Hoz Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 124 Pleis Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 125 Woodling Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 126 Cicotte Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 127 Pride of A's Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 128 Fowler Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 129 Walls Facing Left/Pinstriped Jersey Facing Right/Plain Jersey 1962 Topps 130 Bolling Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 131 Richert Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 132 Angels Team With Inset Photos No Inset Photos 1962 Topps 133 Alou Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 134 Hoeft Green Sky Blue Sky 1962 Topps 135 Ruth 1 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 136 Babe Ruth 2 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 137 Babe Ruth 3 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 138 Babe Ruth 4 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 139 Reniff/Babe Ruth 5 Reniff Pitching Reniff Portrait Babe Hits 60-Pole Left Backround Babe Hits 60- No Pole 1962 Topps 140 Babe Ruth 6 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 141 Babe Ruth 7 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 142 Babe Ruth 8 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 143 Babe Ruth 9 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 144 Babe Ruth 10 Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 145 Latman Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 146 Demeter Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 147 Kunkel Pitching Portrait 1962 Topps 148 Post Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 149 Duliba Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 150 Kaline Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps151 Klippstein Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 152 Vernon Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 153 Green Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 154 Thomas Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 155 Miller Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 156 Ranew Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 157 Covington Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 158 Braves Team Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 159 Reniff No Variation Correct Card Number 1962 Topps 160 Stuart Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 161 Baumann Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 162 Drake Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 163 Hot Corner Guard Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 164 Naragon Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 165 Brandt Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 166 Lee Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 167 McCarver Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 168 Posada Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 169 Cerv Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 170 Santo Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 171 Sisler Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 172 Hutchinson Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 173 Fernandez Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 174 Willey With Cap No Cap 1962 Topps 175 Howard Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 176 Yost Batting Portrait 1962 Topps 177 Shantz Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 178 Carreon Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 179 Sturdivant Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 180 Allison Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 181 Brown Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 182 Nieman Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 183 Craig Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 184 Sullivan Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 185 Sheldon Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 186 Jones Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 187 Conley Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 188 Hiller Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 189 Hall Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 190 Moon With Cap No Cap 1962 Topps 191 Brewer Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 192 3rd Ser Checklist #192 is Check List, 3 #192 is Check List 3 1962 Topps 193 Kasko Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 194 Chance Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 195 Cunningham Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 196 Fox Green Tint Corrected 1962 Topps 277 4th Ser Checklist Dark Wood Border Light Wood Border/Boxes are Lower 1962 Topps 367 5th Ser Checklist Dark Wood Border Light Wood Border 1962 Topps 441 6th Ser Checklist "Checklist" in Larger Font "Checklist" in Smaller Font 1962 Topps 458 Buhl "M" on Cap Plain Cap 1962 Topps 462 Tasby "W" on Cap Plain Cap 1962 Topps 516 7th Ser Checklist Yellow Boxes on Front White Boxes on Front Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/9/2015 10:24:51 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....I now want them again!!!), I have a couple questions. 1) Regarding #139, is #139a Reniff the green tint, and #139b Reniff the regular even with the variation? In other words, the pitching version only comes in a green tint right? 2) #139c Ruth (pole) is the green tint, and the #139b Ruth (no pole) is not a green tint right? 3) So in the end, I will own 4 cards from #139?? 4) Do the same rules apply for the rest of the green tint variations like Walls, Angels Team, Hoeft, Kunkel, Willey, Yost, Moon, and 192 CL? 5) Aside from the green tints and other normal 1962 Topps variations listed in SCD or Beckett, are there any other lesser known variations? 6) Does ANYONE have a wrapper or pack at all from this year for trade or sale? =81 Thanks so much for your help. This set is easily my favorite Topps set of all time. I remember a few years ago even having a dream of opening cello packs from that year! LOL Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:20:32 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Tom had an AWESOME photo page of all the greenies side by side with the regulars. I don't know of that is still listed on Tom's web page, but that's definitely something that we should put on our OBC Web page somewhere. That gallery was invaluable in searching and spotting the ones that are a little more difficult to weed out. Wood grain on the tough ones is the way to go. Look how the grain runs through the name on the bottom right. Easy to tell the differences that way. I brought a color printed list to every show and National until I found them all. No question my favorite reference piece. Tom, is that photo set still available? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/9/2015 10:58:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: First, welcome to the madness that is variation collecting! Basically, there's one green tint to go with each card in the series. There is also a misnumbered Reniff(non-green). The pose variations are the green tints, so there are not more than two versions of any card... (Except 139). The green tint Reniff is the pitching pose - it is also misnumbered, so there technically is no green tint with the number 159. The regular Reniff has two numbers, so you will end up with four #139's: Two Ruth's and two Reniff's and the one #159 (corrected Reniff). Telling the difference between the green and non-green tints is super easy too (everyone should collect them!) All the pictures are cropped differently top to bottom and/or left to right and there's differences in the grain border too. There is a side by side comparison somewhere on our site or yahoogroups, but I forget at the moment. So everyone if you haven't done so already, go to your wantlists and add those 1962's... Oh, it appears as though the nice young man in the white coat is here to change my extra long sleeve sweater and give me my meds, so I gotta go. Happy collecting! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original m essage------ From: Jimi Thayer_ jimivintage@yahoo.com_ (mailto:%20jimivintage@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Dec 9, 2015 10:24 AM To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....I now want them again!!!), I have a couple questions.1) Regarding #139, is #139a Reniff the green tint, and #139b Reniff the regular even with the variation? In other words, the pitching version only comes in a green tint right?2) #139c Ruth (pole) is the green tint, and the #139b Ruth (no pole) is not a green tint right? 3) So in the end, I will own 4 cards from #139??4) Do the same rules apply for the rest of the green tint variations like Walls, Angels Team, Hoeft, Kunkel, Willey, Yost, Moon, and 192 CL? 5) Aside from the green tints and other normal 1962 Topps variations listed in SCD or Beckett, are there any other lesser known variations?6) Does ANYONE have a wrapper or pack at all from this year for trade or sale? =81Thanks so much for your This set is easily my favorite Topps set of all time. I remember a few years ago even having a dream of opening cello packs from that year! LOLJIMISent from my iPhone------------------------------------Posted by: Jimi Thayer Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....I now want them again!!!), I have a couple quest_message.Al_ (mip://178fea60/ht tp://message.Al) though discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at (http://www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html------------------------------------Yahoo) subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 23:45:40 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Just saw that Tom's photo's are listed. The old photobucket set was easy to print. I'll have to see if I can arrange the pics so they can be printed at least a few to a page. If you are at your home computer or have a tablet, you can download the zip file and carry that around with you to the shows. Those bigger pictures are great for old guys like... GLENN! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/9/2015 10:54:01 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: >the key and the final determination is to the look at the wood grains around the edges. This is essential for telling the difference on the checklist and even a few others. To me, the most obvious difference for card 192, the checklist, is what it calls itself. GREEN TINT: "192 Check List, 3" CORRECTED: "192 Check List 3" Yep. The comma is deleted. Also, for some reason when I previously linked to Tom's photo album, it automatically added "/show" to the end of the link, making it into a slideshow. Sometimes the computer tries to help where I don't want it to. Anyway, it's much easier to STUDY the pictures if they don't keep automatically changing every two or three seconds. _https://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697_ (https://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/) ================= Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 05:48:06 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1954 Red Heart Baseball ROY McMILLAN Cincinnati Reds VG/VG+ crease From: Rick Good deal View item: 1954 Red Heart Baseball ROY McMILLAN Cincinnati Reds VG/VG+ crease End Time: Jan 8, 2016, 10:15:14 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:00:08 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en I must say I have trouble in identifying the green tints, especially if I don't have the regular card for a side by side comparison. I have a few questions. From what I have read, the second series cards all have green tint variations. But, the second series runs from card #89 thru #176, yet I see green tint lists running only from #110 thru #196? I have a card of Sam Jones #92 which certainly looks like it's green, but that's the way all of them look? Also, take a look at the photo of the two Steve Boros #62 cards I have. It certainly looks like a variation to me. Thanks for help to the uninitiated. Best regards, In a message dated 12/09/2015 11:20:37 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Tom had an AWESOME photo page of all the greenies side by side with the regulars. I don't know of that is still listed on Tom's web page, but that's definitely something that we should put on our OBC Web page somewhere. That gallery was invaluable in searching and spotting the ones that are a little more difficult to weed out. Wood grain on the tough ones is the way to go. Look how the grain runs through the name on the bottom right. Easy to tell the differences that way. I brought a color printed list to every show and National until I found them all. No question my favorite reference piece. Tom, is that photo set still available? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/9/2015 10:58:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: First, welcome to the madness that is variation collecting! Basically, there's one green tint to go with each card in the series. There is also a misnumbered Reniff(non-green). The pose variations are the green tints, so there are not more than two versions of any card... (Except 139). The green tint Reniff is the pitching pose - it is also misnumbered, so there technically is no green tint with the number 159. The regular Reniff has two numbers, so you will end up with four #139's: Two Ruth's and two Reniff's and the one #159 (corrected Reniff). Telling the difference between the green and non-green tints is super easy too (everyone should collect them!) All the pictures are cropped differently top to bottom and/or left to right and there's differences in the grain border too. There is a side by side comparison somewhere on our site or yahoogroups, but I forget at the moment. So everyone if you haven't done so already, go to your wantlists and add those 1962's... Oh, it appears as though the nice young man in the white coat is here to change my extra long sleeve sweater and give me my meds, so I gotta go. Happy collecting! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original m essage------ From: Jimi Thayer_ jimivintage@yahoo.com_ (mailto:%20jimivintage@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Wed, Dec 9, 2015 10:24 AM To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....I now want them again!!!), I have a couple questions.1) Regarding #139, is #139a Reniff the green tint, and #139b Reniff the regular even with the variation? In other words, the pitching version only comes in a green tint right?2) #139c Ruth (pole) is the green tint, and the #139b Ruth (no pole) is not a green tint right? 3) So in the end, I will own 4 cards from #139??4) Do the same rules apply for the rest of the green tint variations like Walls, Angels Team, Hoeft, Kunkel, Willey, Yost, Moon, and 192 CL? 5) Aside from the green tints and other normal 1962 Topps variations listed in SCD or Beckett, are there any other lesser known variations?6) Does ANYONE have a wrapper or pack at all from this year for trade or sale? =81Thanks so much for your This set is easily my favorite Topps set of all time. I remember a few years ago even having a dream of opening cello packs from that year! LOLJIMISent from my iPhone------------------------------------Posted by: Jimi Thayer Before I go crazy making my green tint list and other variations (yes.....I now want them again!!!), I have a couple quest_message.Al_ (mip://178fea60/ht tp://message.Al) though discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at (http://www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html------------------------------------Yahoo) subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= To: "bskp1@aol.com" , "ChicoD1@aol.com" , Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 12:18:26 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: JAY TYSVER ================= To: Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 08:03:01 -0800 Subject: Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: "George Vrechek" Mt 2 cents. When searching for the green tints I always brought along my "regular" card for comparison. The regular and green tints are cropped differently which is the easiest way I could tell - with certainty. Some of very slight but side by side you can see the differences. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 12:17:23 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1974 Topps Red Team Checklist Asterisks Question * or ** From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Back with another variation question. My 1974 Topps Red Team Checklist setwas completed years ago, so I thought it was time to add the asterisks variations to my list. Are they ALL found with one * and ** variations? Anything else I should know? Thank you! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 18:20:31 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Mantle Sets Post-war Card Record at Heritage From: chris tripler Don't know how many of you saw this, but the effect on even the lowest grade Mantle's makes it a further and further possibility of obtaining.... Rare Mantle rookie card sells for record $525K | | | | | | | | | | | Rare Mantle rookie card sells for record $525KDallas-based Heritage Auctions said a rare, pristine Topps 1952 Mickey Mantle rookie card sold at auction for more than $525,000 to a collector who wanted to rem... | | | | View on espn.go.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | ================= To: , Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 13:24:51 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs sets and Hank Aaron From: "Bob Donaldson" I know Yaz wasn=E2=99t in the set until 75. Yaz also wasn=E2=99t in Milton Bradley, the super balls, and a few other sets. I always thought ithad something to do with not being on good terms with the player=E2=99sunion From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 1:22 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs sets and Hank Aaron Anyone have any thoughts on why Hank Aaron isn't included in any of the 1970s Kellogg's sets? A contractual thing, or something else? And are there any other stars of the day that are glaringly omitted from these Happy Holidays, peter mead ================= Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:57:32 -0500 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kelloggs sets and Hank Aaron From: BBC Trading It's a little known fact that Hank was against his image being used to promote breakfast cereals as he believed they bad for children's health. Similar to Wagner and the T206 thingy. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 11, 2015, at 1:21 PM, "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > Anyone have any thoughts on why Hank Aaron isn't included in any of the 1970s Kellogg's sets? A contractual thing, or something else? > And are there any other stars of the day that are glaringly omitted from these > Happy Holidays, > peter mead ================= Date: 11 Dec 2015 21:54:55 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Kelloggs sets and Hank Aaron From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "George Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 11:27:30 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps From: Taylor Schock Also, after you compare a few, you will be able to pick them out easier as the 'green' tints are a bit softer or out of focus compared to the regular cards. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 11:03 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Some questions regarding 1962 Topps Mt 2 cents. When searching for the green tints I always brought along my "regular" card for comparison. The regular and green tints are cropped differently which is the easiest way I could tell - with certainty. Some of very slight but side by side you can see the differences. George Vrechek ================= Date: 12 Dec 2015 06:44:00 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 1974 Topps Red Team Checklist Asterisks Question * or ** From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 10:01:54 -0500 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Kelloggs sets and Hank Aaron From: BBC Trading Hi All, When I was hanging out with Hank many years ago I vaguely remember him mentioning he had stock in Hostess at that time. Regarding the Post cereal sets, he said something along the lines of, "I think I was drunk when I signed on with them Post guys". ;-) Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 12, 2015, at 12:54 AM, "uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Yeah, that's weird. He was in the Hostess set in both 75 and 76. Breakfast cereals are bad for kids but not Twinkies or Ding Dongs? Or did he changehis tune once he hit his 40's and realized the baseball paychecks wouldn'tlast forever? You can check out his Kellogg's "card that never was" here: > http://cardsthatneverwere.blogspot.com/2012/05/1976-kelloggs-hank-aaron.html > Aaron ================= Date: 12 Dec 2015 08:11:01 -0800 To: Subject: HOF waivers- last call on these From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:05:21 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Hockey From: OBC Nick P Anybody doing 1971 OPC hockey? Nick Pelletier ================= Date: 12 Dec 2015 14:00:44 -0800 To: Subject: I'm not sure this is an even trade. From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 15:32:56 -0700 To: obc ramblings Subject: HOM nomination! From: James Silva I=E2=99m not sure if this is where to do this, but I would like to officially nominate Herold Dominic =E2=9CMuddy=E2=9D Ruel as my HOMer. He is family now - my Grandfather in-law (I know that=E2=99s not a real thing) - and I feel like he and I have been getting to know each other over the last few years. I will be adding a Muddy Ruel =E2=9Chave" list to my want list in the near future. My wife has a good start on the collection, and I have found more photos and cards in the last couple years. 'Ol Muddy was behind the plate for Ruth=E2=99s 60th home run, for the pitch that killed Ray Chapman, scored the winning run in the 12th inning of game 7 of the1924 World Series, was buddies with Cobb and Ruth and a number of the greats and not so greats from the golden age of baseball. He had a very long playing career, almost exclusively as a catcher, but also was a coach, manager, GM, assistant to the commissioner (Happy Chandler), and passed on some of his genes to my amazing wife (who rakes in the batting cages on the slow pitch softball machine)! If that isn=E2=99t enough for a HOMer, then I don=E2=99t know a HOMer from a homophone! (reading teachers never die, they just write obtuse emails) So, if there is a ritual interpretive dance, or something I have to break or chant, please let me know, oh you Princes ofMaine, you Kings of New England! Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= Date: 12 Dec 2015 17:43:44 -0800 To: Subject: Any word on ANTHONY MANN's wantlist coming soon? From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 19:52:45 -0600 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any word on ANTHONY MANN's wantlist coming soon? From: Jay Tysver He's active military so that may be his hold up. Not really sure though. > On Dec 12, 2015, at 7:43 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I have sent two emails to Anthony Mann, one of the new guys. Asking him about a shirt size, hoping to send him an OBC shirt and maybe a few welcome cards. I haven't gotten any reply as of yet. Has anyone heard back from him? ================= Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 21:54:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: George Vrecheck visit From: Ed Pike I was glad to meet George in San Francisco not once, but twice this month. Today he showed me some minor variations for several 1963 Topps cards that were repeated on a printing sheet, but not quick exactly the same. We also took a look at his master list of T218 Mecca and Hassan back variations which now stands at about 550. It is interesting to speculate on why some factories would print 50 cards in a series, while others might omit a few since some backs are believed to not exist for cards. George also explained about some of the variations for a bunch of vintage Topps sets. I really enjoyed learning about the difference between red and black backs for 52 Topps, etc. I also flipped through a box he brought, including some 1960's football. I collect few football cards, and it was interesting to see some sets for the first time including a Globe Trotters set and I picked up a few local football heroes of the 1960's for my collection. Ed Pike ================= Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 21:00:38 -0600 To: Jay Tysver Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any word on ANTHONY MANN's wantlist coming soon? From: Aaron Shirley Ah, that makes sense. Does anyone have some leads on what he might like? I'd love to be able to gang up on a list or two or five... You know, a littleOBC cardboard camaraderie... Eh? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 11:43:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Real? From: ChicoD1@aol.com I get skeptical about every 52B Mantle I see. My questions on this is that there is a lot of border on this one. Almost seems like too much compared to the ones I have seen. The back looks good (except for the glue), but I don't see any wax stains, which is pretty prevalent on the Mick. Low feedback total (3-although I have given TONS of people the benefit of the doubt, we all started at 0 at some point). Need some opinions... _http://www.ebay.com/itm/111843381443?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/111843381443?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) He also has this card... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1949-Bowman-84-Roy-Campanella-rookie-card-/111843661 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:48:06 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Real? From: Jimi Thayer I bought a fake '52B Mantle about 12 years ago and never heard from that seller again. That was before EBay's current policies. For this reason, I only buy high dollar items that are graded by PSA or SGC, unless it's from somebody I know and/or trust. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 13, 2015, at 11:43 AM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I get skeptical about every 52B Mantle I see. My questions on this is that there is a lot of border on this one. Almost seems like too much comparedto the ones I have seen. The back looks good (except for the glue), but I don't see any wax stains, which is pretty prevalent on the Mick. Low feedback total (3-although I have given TONS of people the benefit of the doubt, we all started at 0 at some point). Need some opinions... > http://www.ebay.com/itm/111843381443?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT > He also has this card... > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1949-Bowman-84-Roy-Campanella-rookie-card-/111843661744?hashitem1a0a66d7b0:g:~LYAAOSwHQ9WZPKt > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 13 Dec 2015 12:53:24 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Real? From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 16:09:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Real? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Oh well, Still no Mantle. Went up to 135.00 and lost out. The search continues... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/13/2015 11:43:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I get skeptical about every 52B Mantle I see. My questions on this is that there is a lot of border on this one. Almost seems like too much compared to the ones I have seen. The back looks good (except for the glue), but I don't see any wax stains, which is pretty prevalent on the Mick. Low feedback total (3-although I have given TONS of people the benefit of the doubt, we all started at 0 at some point). Need some opinions... _http://www.ebay.com/itm/111843381443?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/111843381443?_trksidp2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT) He also has this card... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1949-Bowman-84-Roy-Campanella-rookie-card-/111843661 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 13 Dec 2015 18:49:05 -0800 To: Subject: Mixed bag waiver wire From: kenpillion@windstream.net ================= To: Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 18:51:31 -0800 Subject: HOM Inductee......... From: "Grant Rainsley" Your Hall of Mediocrity is pleased to announce the unanimous election of very worthy candidate Herold Dominic "Muddy" Ruel to its Hallowed Halls....nominated by Jim Silva, "Muddy" is just a natural for the HOM. Jim's biography of "Muddy" and the reasons behind his nomination and some great pics are now on the HOM page of the OBC website for your viewing Thanks to Joe Isaac for doing the work "behind the scenes" again. Welcome Mr. Ruel, you have some great company with you now! ================= Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:34:50 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Salada coins From: Rick Does anyone have any of the 1962 baseball paper player inserts without theplastic coin in their dupe box? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 08:06:02 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Update on Rittenberg From: Steve Rittenberg This rambling will mostly be an update about my wife, Gina. She is not having a good week. We learned Thursday that 4 people made the first cut to be a bone marrow donor but no one made the second cut. Fortunately a transplant is not an urgent need and there are a couple of secondary options: Gina's daughter can donate but that is only a 50% chromosonal match. Or some sort of marrow can be used from cords but the doctor doesn't like that option. My wife is very upset about The third option is for another donor to show up. Thats where YOU come in. I need your help to save my wife's life. We need people to join the National Marrow Donor Program. It is easy to do. If you are 18-44, please go to http://join.bethematch.org/regina and order a cheek swab kit and return it. I also need your help to find more donors. This is a big one. I learned that the best pool of donors are the youngest people. And where are they now? In college. So somehow, I need help to arrange for bone marrow donor drives at colleges. I know there are several college professors within OBC. And maybe others with ties to their school. If you could go to the website www.bethematch.org and find out the local point of contact for a marrow drive in your area, we will be grateful. The marrow donor drive does not take a lot of your time. Your role will be to find someone at your school who will actually do the leg work (arrange for time / location / publicity). The National program has flyers available. They will send someone over on the day of the drive to help people fill out the paperwork and take the cheek swabs (skin samples from the inside of the mouth). Currently about 10 million people in the US are in the bone marrow registry. How can I encourage the others to join?? Last night was the first real medical setback for my wife. She woke up with a small infected area on her leg. Maybe a bug bite? By the end of the day it had grown in size and pain and tenderness. She was admitted to the hospital last night to receive care and IV antibiotics. Maybe the cause and the full treatment plan will come out today. My wife is upset about this as well. I will go back to the hospital later today. Updates (not as often as I'd like) are generally available at http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/ginarittenberg Thank you for reading. Steve (srittenberg@gmail.com) and Gina (grittenberg24@gmail.com) Rittenberg ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 09:52:14 -0500 To: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Update on Rittenberg From: Jimi Thayer Hi Steve, Our thoughts and prayers sent your way. I've just ordered a donation kit and it says it'll be here in a couple weeks. To everyone else, the orderingprocess was a piece of cake. The link provided by Steve was easy and helpful. God bless you, man! Sent from my iPad > On Dec 14, 2015, at 9:06 AM, Steve Rittenberg srittenberg@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > This rambling will mostly be an update about my wife, Gina. She is > not having a good week. We learned Thursday that 4 people made the > first cut to be a bone marrow donor but no one made the second cut. > Fortunately a transplant is not an urgent need and there are a couple > of secondary options: Gina's daughter can donate but that is only a > 50% chromosonal match. Or some sort of marrow can be used from cords > but the doctor doesn't like that option. My wife is very upset about > this. > The third option is for another donor to show up. Thats where YOU > come in. I need your help to save my wife's life. We need people to > join the National Marrow Donor Program. It is easy to do. If you are > 18-44, please go to http://join.bethematch.org/regina and order a > cheek swab kit and return it. > I also need your help to find more donors. This is a big one. I > learned that the best pool of donors are the youngest people. And > where are they now? In college. So somehow, I need help to arrange > for bone marrow donor drives at colleges. I know there are several > college professors within OBC. And maybe others with ties to their > school. If you could go to the website www.bethematch.org and find > out the local point of contact for a marrow drive in your area, we > will be grateful. The marrow donor drive does not take a lot of your > time. Your role will be to find someone at your school who will > actually do the leg work (arrange for time / location / publicity). > The National program has flyers available. They will send someone > over on the day of the drive to help people fill out the paperwork and > take the cheek swabs (skin samples from the inside of the mouth). > Currently about 10 million people in the US are in the bone marrow > registry. How can I encourage the others to join?? > Last night was the first real medical setback for my wife. She woke > up with a small infected area on her leg. Maybe a bug bite? By the > end of the day it had grown in size and pain and tenderness. She was > admitted to the hospital last night to receive care and IV > antibiotics. Maybe the cause and the full treatment plan will come > out today. My wife is upset about this as well. I will go back to > the hospital later today. > Updates (not as often as I'd like) are generally available at > http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/ginarittenberg > Thank you for reading. > Steve (srittenberg@gmail.com) and Gina (grittenberg24@gmail.com) Rittenberg ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:24:26 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Milton Bradley From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Thanks Taylor for the link to the article and Sal for the checklist. I went through my =E2=9968 baseball set and pulled two cards that I believe are Milton Bradleys (MB) #112 Woody Fryman and #19 Juan Pizarro. If anyone has a duplicate 1968 Topps baseball card #19 or #112 I could use one. Taylor sent me two others, so I now have four baseball MB, eleven football MB, and three Hot Rod MB. The Hot Rod cards are easy to spot because the regular Topps Hot Rod cards have pink or salmon colored backs. The MB Hot Rods have the yellow backs. The three cards I have were mixed in with some other Hot Rod cards and neither I nor the dealer knew what they were. Several weeks ago Taylor and I were in conversation about some MB Hot Rod cards that were up on one of Kevin Savages auctions. I bid on the lot, but did not win it. Looking back I should have made a stronger bid:) The three MB Hot Rod cards I have, also have the =E2=9Cburlap hatching=E2=9D from the =E2=9968 baseball cards on either the top tor bottom edge. The 1967 MB football cards are pretty easy to spot as most of them should have the =E2=9Cburlap hatching=E2=9D from the baseball cards on the top or bottom edge. I think it=E2=99s easier to spot the color difference on the football cards than the baseball cards. As I thumbed through my first two series Toppsbaseball cards, I pulled out a couple cards that looked like the yellow MBcards, but they were not listed on Sals master checklist. Enjoyed pulling out my =E2=9968 Topps baseball set this AM:) ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 13:22:14 -0500 Subject: Guru - re: Milton Bradley From: richard dingman I believe I have an extra #19. I will check when I get home tomorrow nightand send it off if you still need it. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 11:24:26 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley Thanks Taylor for the link to the article and Sal for the checklist. I went through my =9268 baseball set and pulled two cards that I believe are Milton Bradleys (MB) #112 Woody Fryman and #19 Juan Pizarro. If anyone has a duplicate 1968 Topps baseball card #19 or #112 I could use one. Taylor sent me two others, so I now have four baseball MB, eleven football MB, and three Hot Rod MB. The Hot Rod cards are easy to spot because the regular Topps Hot Rod cards have pink or salmon colored backs. The MB Hot Rods have the yellow backs. The three cards I have were mixed in with some other Hot Rod cards and neither I nor the dealer knew what they were. Several weeks ago Taylor and I were in conversation about some MB Hot Rod cards that were up on one of Kevin Savages auctions. I bid on the lot, but did not win it. Looking back I should have made a stronger bid:) The three MB Hot Rod cards I have, also have the =93burlap hatching=94 from the =9268 baseball cards on either the top tor bottom edge. The 1967 MB football cards are pretty easy to spot as most of them should have the =93burlap hatching=94 from the baseball cards on the top or bottom edge. I think it=92s easier to spot the color difference on the football cards than the baseball cards. As I thumbed through my first two series Topps baseball cards, I pulled out a couple cards that looked like the yellow MB cards, but they were not listed on Sals master checklist. Enjoyed pulling out my =9268 Topps baseball set this AM:) ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:28:52 -0500 To: BBC Trading , Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: Jimi Thayer Well, I'll be darned! I have 2 extra "target" ones and an extra regular one! I'll keep one of the "target" ones for my '74TT set, but if you want the other one, let me know! Sent from my iPad > On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:19 PM, BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: > Hey OBC, > There's a seller on eBay stating he has discovered a new variation. It's the 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn and the variation has what he calls a "Target" in the upper left background on the card. There is definitely a circularblack mark there. He shows two examples in his listing which apparently means it's not just a random print dot type issue but rather a repeated printing therefore a variation. I found another example of this same "Target" variation for my Jim Wynn HOMer collection. > Do you guys feel this is a true variation? And, whether it is or not, I'dlike to get more of them for my Jim Wynn collection. So if any of you happen to have any of them and would part with them, please let me know. > You can see the eBay listing if you search "1974 Topps Traded Wynn Variation". I pasted the URL below but I don't think it works as a hyperlink. > http://m.ebay.com/itm/1974-TOPPS-TRADED-43t-JIM-WYNN-DODGERS-NEW-TARGET-ERROR-VARIATION-DISCOVERY-/251344809280?navSEARCH > Thanks a lot all > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 14 Dec 2015 12:05:39 -0800 To: Subject: Goals for 2016... From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:26:50 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: JAY TYSVER Having worked in the printing industy for 22 years, I'm particular on what is called a variation. To me, this appears to be nothing more than a dirty press run, or a piece of lint on the printing blanket or something on the press plate. It really doesn't look like an intentional mark or an intentional The fact that it is consistent, would make some different than others. If one wishes to collect things this way, I guess that adds to the fun. Jay Tysver CC: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Wantlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:28:52 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation Well, I'll be darned! I have 2 extra "target" ones and an extra regular one! I'll keep one of the "target" ones for my '74TT set, but if you want the other one, let me know! Sent from my iPad On Dec 14, 2015, at 2:19 PM, BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Wantlist] wrote: Hey OBC, There's a seller on eBay stating he has discovered a new variation. It's the 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn and the variation has what he calls a "Target"in the upper left background on the card. There is definitely a circular black mark there. He shows two examples in his listing which apparently means it's not just a random print dot type issue but rather a repeated printing therefore a variation. I found another example of this same "Target" variation for my Jim Wynn HOMer collection. Do you guys feel this is a true variation? And, whether it is or not, I'd like to get more of them for my Jim Wynn collection. So if any of you happento have any of them and would part with them, please let me know. You can see the eBay listing if you search "1974 Topps Traded Wynn Variation". I pasted the URL below but I don't think it works as a hyperlink. http://m.ebay.com/itm/1974-TOPPS-TRADED-43t-JIM-WYNN-DODGERS-NEW-TARGET-ERROR-VARIATION-DISCOVERY-/251344809280?navSEARCH Thanks a lot all Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 15:35:22 -0600 To: Subject: Yahoo search messed up? From: Aaron Shirley Anyone else noticed the search function on Yahoo groups not working for about the last month's worth of messages? ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 16:47:48 -0600 To: Subject: Re: 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: Aaron Shirley Is this what we are talking about? About 2mm and not even a solid circle? ================= To: "'LAWRENCE TIPTON'" , Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:28:32 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley From: "Matt Yudt" I have a 68 topps #19 to send your way. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 11:24 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley Thanks Taylor for the link to the article and Sal for the checklist. I went through my '68 baseball set and pulled two cards that I believe are Milton Bradleys (MB) #112 Woody Fryman and #19 Juan Pizarro. If anyone has a duplicate 1968 Topps baseball card #19 or #112 I could use Taylor sent me two others, so I now have four baseball MB, eleven football MB, and three Hot Rod MB. The Hot Rod cards are easy to spot because the regular Topps Hot Rod cards have pink or salmon colored backs. The MB Hot Rods have the yellow backs. The three cards I have were mixed in with some other Hot Rod cards and neither I nor the dealer knew what they were. Several weeks ago Taylor and I were in conversation about some MB Hot Rod cards that were up on one of Kevin Savages auctions. I bid on the lot, but did not win it. Looking back I should have made a stronger bid:) The three MB Hot Rod cards I have, also have the "burlap hatching" from the '68 baseball cards on either the top tor bottom edge. The 1967 MB football cards are pretty easy to spot as most of them should have the "burlap hatching" from the baseball cards on the top or bottom I think it's easier to spot the color difference on the football cards than the baseball cards. As I thumbed through my first two series Topps baseball cards, I pulled out a couple cards that looked like the yellow MB cards, but they were not listed on Sals master checklist. Enjoyed pulling out my '68 Topps baseball set this AM:) ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:44:02 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Milton Bradley From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Several members have offered to send the replacement cards already thank you very much OBC! ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 18:30:07 -0600 Subject: RE: 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: Aaron Shirley Repost: As I've read these messages, my thoughts on this or any print flaw:it depends entirely on your level of interest in variations. And I guess asmall part is whether the subject on the card is a player you collect or not. My personal level of attention to this kind of minor thing is: I would not have noticed, I would never pursue it, and only since it happened to bein my dupes box, I now have both in my set. There are certainly several levels to variety hunting. The 62 green tints are a good example: do you need all the greenies and all the corrected ones?Or do you just need all the pose variations? But certainly you would want the Ruth and Reniff of card 139, right? Or if you're a Ruth collector, you may only want the Ruth variations... It's the perfect case of "to each his own." And that is a good part of what makes this both a wonderful hobby anda lifetime passion. My 2c worth. PS Not sure why, but only the first part of my previous email is showing upin the Ramblings server. Lately, with Yahoo Groups, it seems the more I doto correct something, the weirder it gets. Anyway, I'm reposting it partlybecause mine seems to be about half as pronounced as the ones in the eBay posting... ================= Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 21:52:48 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: BBC Trading Thanks for the feedback guys. Since I'm not a "variations nut" like many ofyou (and yes you're nuts!) I really wanted some opinions. I didn't feel itwas a variation either, but since it's Wynn I had to find one for myself. I've been searching for another one for the better part of the last year and haven't seen another so I figured I'd ask the group if you had any. Now watch, every time you see a 1974 Topps Traded Wynn you're going to check to see if it has that damn "target" on it. Like a terrible song you can'tget out of your head. Sorry in advance. :-) Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 14, 2015, at 7:30 PM, "Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Repost: As I've read these messages, my thoughts on this or any print flaw: it depends entirely on your level of interest in variations. And I guessa small part is whether the subject on the card is a player you collect ornot. My personal level of attention to this kind of minor thing is: I would not have noticed, I would never pursue it, and only since it happened to be in my dupes box, I now have both in my set. > There are certainly several levels to variety hunting. The 62 green tintsare a good example: do you need all the greenies and all the corrected ones? Or do you just need all the pose variations? But certainly you would want the Ruth and Reniff of card 139, right? Or if you're a Ruth collector, you may only want the Ruth variations... It's the perfect case of "to each his own." And that is a good part of what makes this both a wonderful hobby and a lifetime passion. > My 2c worth. > Aaron > PS Not sure why, but only the first part of my previous email is showing up in the Ramblings server. Lately, with Yahoo Groups, it seems the more I do to correct something, the weirder it gets. Anyway, I'm reposting it partly because mine seems to be about half as pronounced as the ones in the eBay posting... Hmmm... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 01:48:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Yep, only 33 football cards in the MB set. I have found that a lot of higher number 68 baseball have the yellow in them. I am wondering if one ofthe printing guru's know about print runs and where they were printed. That seems to be the theme when coming up with different color cards from all years. Still need to find a Hot Rod and to start looking through football boxes at shows (both are scarce around here). If you want to get a look at the football cards, a set just sold on ebay: _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-Milton-Bradley-Football-33-Card-Complete-Set-Win-A-Card-/151891354424?_trksid (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-Milton-Bradley-Football-33-Card-Complete-Set-Win-A-Card-/151891354424?_trksidp Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/14/2015 11:24:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks Taylor for the link to the article and Sal for the checklist. I went through my =E2=9968 baseball set and pulled two cards that I believe Milton Bradleys (MB) #112 Woody Fryman and #19 Juan Pizarro. If anyone has a duplicate 1968 Topps baseball card #19 or #112 I could use Taylor sent me two others, so I now have four baseball MB, eleven football MB, and three Hot Rod MB. The Hot Rod cards are easy to spot because the regular Topps Hot Rod cards have pink or salmon colored backs. The MB Hot Rods have the yellow backs. The three cards I have were mixed in with some other Hot Rod cards and neither I nor the dealer knew what they were. Several weeks ago Taylor andI were in conversation about some MB Hot Rod cards that were up on one of Kevin Savages auctions. I bid on the lot, but did not win it. Looking back I should have made a stronger bid:) The three MB Hot Rod cards I have, also have the =E2=9Cburlap hatching=E2=9D from the =E2=9968 baseball cards on either the top tor bottom edge. The 1967 MB football cards are pretty easy to spot as most of them should have the =E2=9Cburlap hatching=E2=9D from the baseball cards on the top or bottom I think it=E2=99s easier to spot the color difference on the football cards than the baseball cards. As I thumbed through my first two series Topps baseball cards, I pulled out a couple cards that looked like the yellow MBcards, but they were not listed on Sals master checklist. Enjoyed pulling out my =E2=9968 Topps baseball set this AM:) ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 02:05:41 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I think Aaron needs to collect the white, cream and gray backs from 1960 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/14/2015 7:32:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Repost: As I've read these messages, my thoughts on this or any print flaw: it depends entirely on your level of interest in variations. And I guess a small part is whether the subject on the card is a player you collect or not. My personal level of attention to this kind of minor thing is: I would not have noticed, I would never pursue it, and only since it happened to be in my dupes box, I now have both in my set. There are certainly several levels to variety hunting. The 62 green tints are a good example: do you need all the greenies and all the corrected ones? Or do you just need all the pose variations? But certainly you wouldwant the Ruth and Reniff of card 139, right? Or if you're a Ruth collector, you may only want the Ruth variations... It's the perfect case of "to each his own." And that is a good part of what makes this both a wonderful hobby and a lifetime passion. My 2c worth. PS Not sure why, but only the first part of my previ ous email is showing up in the Ramblings server. Lately, with Yahoo Groups, it seems the more I do to correct something, the weirder it gets. Anyway, I'm reposting it partly because mine seems to be about half as pronounced as the ones in the eBay posting... Hmmm... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 06:00:14 -0500 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: Matt Yudt Wait - there are 3 back variations in 1960? Arghhhhhhhhh!!!! > On Dec 15, 2015, at 2:05 AM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I think Aaron needs to collect the white, cream and gray backs from 1960 ;-)! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 12/14/2015 7:32:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Repost: As I've read these messages, my thoughts on this or any print flaw: it depends entirely on your level of interest in variations. And I guessa small part is whether the subject on the card is a player you collect ornot. My personal level of attention to this kind of minor thing is: I would not have noticed, I would never pursue it, and only since it happened to be in my dupes box, I now have both in my set. > There are certainly several levels to variety hunting. The 62 green tintsare a good example: do you need all the greenies and all the corrected ones? Or do you just need all the pose variations? But certainly you would want the Ruth and Reniff of card 139, right? Or if you're a Ruth collector, you may only want the Ruth variations... It's the perfect case of "to each his own." And that is a good part of what makes this both a wonderful hobby and a lifetime passion. > My 2c worth. > Aaron > PS Not sure why, but only the first part of my previ ous email is showingup in the Ramblings server. Lately, with Yahoo Groups, it seems the more Ido to correct something, the weirder it gets. Anyway, I'm reposting it partly because mine seems to be about half as pronounced as the ones in the eBay posting... Hmmm... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 06:29:41 -0600 To: Matt Yudt Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: 1974 Topps Traded Jim Wynn Variation From: Jay Tysver I've got a darker brown backed card from 1960. Definitely a different back. > On Dec 15, 2015, at 5:00 AM, Matt Yudt yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Wait - there are 3 back variations in 1960? Arghhhhhhhhh!!!! >> On Dec 15, 2015, at 2:05 AM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> I think Aaron needs to collect the white, cream and gray backs from 1960;-)! >> Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> In a message dated 12/14/2015 7:32:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> Repost: As I've read these messages, my thoughts on this or any print flaw: it depends entirely on your level of interest in variations. And I guess a small part is whether the subject on the card is a player you collect or not. My personal level of attention to this kind of minor thing is: I would not have noticed, I would never pursue it, and only since it happened tobe in my dupes box, I now have both in my set. >> There are certainly several levels to variety hunting. The 62 green tints are a good example: do you need all the greenies and all the corrected ones? Or do you just need all the pose variations? But certainly you would want the Ruth and Reniff of card 139, right? Or if you're a Ruth collector, you may only want the Ruth variations... It's the perfect case of "to each his own." And that is a good part of what makes this both a wonderful hobby and a lifetime passion. >> My 2c worth. >> Aaron >> PS Not sure why, but only the first part of my previ ous email is showing up in the Ramblings server. Lately, with Yahoo Groups, it seems the more I do to correct something, the weirder it gets. Anyway, I'm reposting it partly because mine seems to be about half as pronounced as the ones in the eBay posting... Hmmm... ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:25:45 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley From: Taylor Schock I picked up a bunch this past weekend, and FWIW, I'm down to only needing the following for the MB FB cards: 18 Barber 58 Ladd 68 Tyrer 71 Buchanan 84 Neighbors (upgrade to EX) 95 Hill (upgrade to EX) 106 Biletnikof 110 Daniels 121 Lowe I still need about 1/2 of the baseball cards and ALL of the hot rods, whichwill easily be the hardest subset to complete. http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 1:48 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley Yep, only 33 football cards in the MB set. I have found that a lot of higher number 68 baseball have the yellow in them. I am wondering if one of the printing guru's know about print runs and where they were printed. That seems to be the theme when coming up with different color cards from all years. Still need to find a Hot Rod and to start looking through football boxes at shows (both are scarce around here). If you want to get a look at the football cards, a set just sold on ebay: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-Milton-Bradley-Football-33-Card-Complete-Set-Win-A-Card-/151891354424?_trksi= [http://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/151891354424-0-1/s-l1000.jpg], Subject: Incoming thanks to Richard Labs! From: Jerry Coker Big thank you out to Richard Labs who sent me a Christmas card with a four 72T's enclosed (Ted Williams, Gil Hodges, 1971 NL SO Leaders and1971 NL RBI Leaders!). Thank you for the Christmas card and bubblegum cards Richard. Always a treat. I hope you have a great Christmas and Happy New Year! PS: Just wanted to say how much I appreciate and admire gentlemen like Richard who take the time to send Christmas cards to OBC'ers. We are all so busy this time of year and this effort does not go unnoticed by me. And I'm sure all OBC'ers feel the same as I do. I hope everyone in OBC land has a wonderful Christmas and New Year. Filled with much happiness and good health. Thanks OBC!!!Jerry Coker ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:11:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1976 Topps Garagiola variation??? From: Jimi Thayer I'm considering buying a '76T Garagiola since my '76T and '76TT sets are complete. I went to go pick one on EBay and noticed and variation on some. There is a difference between the amount of space between the photo and hisname below. Does anyone here have one of each? Was this done so that autographs could be done on the wider-spaced one? A lot of them are autographed from what I'm seeing on EBay. And, I guess, while I'm at it....does anyone have a spare one? :) Sent from my iPad ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:33:01 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... From: Shawn Smart I'll bite. I don't think I have done one of these either. 10. Finish 1978 Topps - 16 left9. Finish 1975 Topps - 11 left8. Finish 1976 Topps - 15 left7. Finish 1979 Topps6. Bring 1971 Topps within 50 cards to go.5. Bring 1973 Topps within 20 cards to go. 4. Bring 1972 Topps within 150 cards to go.3. Bring 1970 Topps within 100 cards to go. 2. Finish at least 5 UV sets, many of which are only less than 5 cards away. 1. Run through the dupe box again and find something for everyone who has helped me more than I have been able to help them - which has to be around 40 or50 of you. Thanks for a great year OBC! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 12:05:39 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goals for 2016... One of my favorites reads are the yearly goals posted by OBC'ers. Since it's never too early to plan ahead, I thought I would post my modest goals for next year and invite other OBC'ers to follow suit. I don't believe I posted goals last year as I was quite inactive back then. Mike's Top 10 10.) Send out more packages to OBCers 9.) Kill the 78-79 Topps Basketball set - 6 needed 8.) Kill the 1977 Topps Football set - 12 needed 7.) Kill the 1979 Topps Footbal set - 1 needed 6.) Kill the 1979 Kellogg's set - 4 needed 5.) Cut my wants for 68-69 Topps Hockey in half - 20 needed 4.) Cut my wants 1968 Topps in half - 29 needed 3.) Cut my wants for 1969 Topps in half - 14 needed 2.) Add 8 cards from the 1961 Topps set - 38 needed 1.) Get my "accumulation" turned into a collection (organize all extra boxes, send out as many dupes as possible, update all my lists, etc) I'd love to see everyone else's collecting goals for 2016 Mike Mroz ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:06:43 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: UV pack of Football FCFS From: chris tripler Not sure who to ask to be put on the UV server, but anyone want a Holiday present of a pack of 1988 Fleer Football never opened(get the thrill of opening a 27 year old pack of cards). I'll hit your want list with a card on top of it... Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:33:19 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: 2015-16 NFL Playoff Pool -- 1st call From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and hope to exceed that total this year. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it, it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. The should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than January 8 to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Your card prize must be postmarked no later than Friday, January 8, 2016 and mailed to me at the address The playoff schedule won't be finalized until January 3, but if the playoffs were to start this weekend, the lineup would look like this: AFC Week 1: 6 Jets at 3 Broncos, 5 Chiefs at 4 Colts, 1 Patriots and 2 Bengals BYE (Steelers still in the hunt at 8-5, 3 others at 6-7 with a very slim chance) AFC Week 2: 1 Patriots at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Bengals at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Vikings at 3 Packers, 5 Seahawks at 4 Redskins, 1 Panthers and 2 Cardinals BYE (4 teams still in the hunt at 6-7) NFC Week 2: 1 Panthers at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Cardinals at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 9-10 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 9 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 entry fee must be received via Paypal by January 8 and your prize card must be postmarked no later than January 8. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 8, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 3 at 10 AM CST. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy Holiday season to you and your Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:53:13 +0000 Subject: 1979 Hostess Green Tints From: Mac Wubben What does everyone think...unmarked twinkee? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "Mac Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 00:04:13 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints [1 Attachment] From: Taylor Schock Are the backs the same? Un-issued proof? The text ("NEW" and "p") line up differently to the photo borders on each card. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 6:53 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Mac Wubben included below] What does everyone think...unmarked twinkee? ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:41:32 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints [1 Attachment] From: Ken M I looked at the cropping on the photos. His belt appears to be slightly more visible in the 'tinted' version. I got a group lot (perhaps a different year though) that had drastically different colors of the same card - which I chalked up to different print runs or different snack cake boxes, as they appeared to have the same cropping. The 60's Post cereal issues had a lot of similar coloring issues. Ken M - please don't make me collect more variations Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 6:53 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Mac Wubben included below] What does everyone think...unmarked twinkee? ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:48:51 -0600 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 18:38:30 -0800 To: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints From: Rick The 78's are the same way have dramatic tint difference Sent from my iPad > On Dec 15, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I looked at the cropping on the photos. His belt appears to be slightly more visible in the 'tinted' version. I got a group lot (perhaps a differentyear though) that had drastically different colors of the same card - which I chalked up to different print runs or different snack cake boxes, as they appeared to have the same cropping. The 60's Post cereal issues had a lot of similar coloring issues. > Ken M - please don't make me collect more variations > Sent from my not so smart phone. > ------ Original message------ > From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Date: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 6:53 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Cc: > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1979 Hostess Green Tints [1 Attachment] > What does everyone think...unmarked twinkee? > Mac ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 22:35:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Santa lives in Ohio? From: ChicoD1@aol.com And looks a LOT like Ed Hutchinson? Secret Stan arrived today, now I have to wait 10 more days. Some of us never lose the little kid inside! Thanks Ed.. ummm Santa ;-) ! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:00:47 -0800 To: LAWRENCE TIPTON Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley From: Rick I have never looked for mb cards but have hot rod cards on my list. The Nonsport book I have says they come in pink,yellow brown. Doesn't say anythingabout mb or yellow backs being mb does it say that somewhere? I have fifteen yellow backs and nine brown. No pink Sent from my iPad > On Dec 14, 2015, at 8:24 AM, LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Reply via web post =E2=A2 Reply to sender =E2=A2 Reply to group =E2=A2Start a New Topic =E2=A2 Messages in this topic (3) ================= To: Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:18:49 -0800 Subject: Re: 1979 Hostess Green Tints From: "George Vrechek" According to the SCD Catalog there weren't Twinkies in 1979. There were unissued proofs but Gossage wasn't one. The printing above the card on the green one might be a clue. Could they be panels vs individual cards? They are definitely not the same cropping though. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 21:41:39 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Tint difference 79 hostess From: Rick Here's one for you I have seen others maybe not that dramatic ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 02:33:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Milton Bradley From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Here's the best source I found for an explanation of the Hot Rod cards: http://www1.coe.neu.edu/~dan/R714-34a/go.html Here's pics of the 22 MB versions: Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/16/2015 12:00:52 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I have never looked for mb cards but have hot rod cards on my list. The Nonsport book I have says they come in pink,yellow brown. Doesn't say anything about mb or yellow backs being mb does it say that somewhere? I have fifteen yellow backs and nine brown. No pink Sent from my iPad On Dec 14, 2015, at 8:24 AM, LAWRENCE TIPTON _larrytipton@windstream.net_ (mailto:larrytipton@windstream.net) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: _Reply via web post_ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/conversations/messages/32490;_ylcX3oDMTJxdGEyczlyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyM WUDMTQ1MDExMDI2OQ--?actreply&messageNum32490) =E2=A2 _Reply to sender (mailto:larrytipton@windstream.net?subjectre:%20Milton%20Bradley) =E2=A2 to group _ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com?subjectre:%20Milton%20Bradley) =E2=A2 _Start a New Topic_ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/conversations/newtopic;_ylcX3oDMTJlNjMzNWhzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMz --) =E2=A2 _Messages in this topic_ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/conversations/topics/31629;_ylcX3oDMTM2YXZuNmFwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGd ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 06:39:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Tint difference 79 hostess From: Andy You can find tint differences in all the hostess years. Just like the Post cereal cards, similar cards issued on different products could have different color tints. I once accumulated about 30 1975 Hostess boxes from a half dozen products and there were many examples. We don't see them too much because many cards were issued on both a popular product (e.g., Ding Dongs) and a lesser distributed product, so there aren't equal numbers of both tint schemes. This is also how you end up with short prints for cards issued only on less popular products ( e.g. The cards on the Reggie Jackson panel in 1975). Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 07:27:19 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Holiday Hack has Arrived From: BBC Trading Well low and behold my wife failed to mention there was an envelope on our tree that says not to open until Dec 25th. She remembered this morning so Iquickly ran over to check it out. I can't wait to see what's inside! Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 08:08:57 -0500 Subject: Reprints - Joe Jackson and Babe Ruth From: "Bob Donaldson" I bought a lot of reprints of Joe Jackson and Babe Ruth. M101-4/5 (aka Sporting News) with various backs (Sporting News, Standard Biscuit, Famous and Barr, Herpolsheimer). If you'd like one, drop me a line. ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 05:38:27 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO From: Rick Ends in eight hours no bids yet View item: 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO End Time: Dec 16, 2015, 1:42:35 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 16:34:01 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL From: Not bad looking, but $5.95 postage for 2 cards worth 10 bucks? I know, he probably just drops it in a small Priority Mail box. I have to believe he'd have some bids if the postage was reasonable. ---- "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: ============= Ends in eight hours no bids yet View item: 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO End Time: Dec 16, 2015, 1:42:35 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= To: , Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 11:36:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO From: "Bob Donaldson" Same here, was going to drop a bid, but not for $5.95 postage From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:34 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER Not bad looking, but $5.95 postage for 2 cards worth 10 bucks? I know, he probably just drops it in a small Priority Mail box. I have to believe he'd have some bids if the postage was reasonable. ---- "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: Ends in eight hours no bids yet View item: 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO End Time: Dec 16, 2015, 1:42:35 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" , Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 09:16:50 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO From: "Grant Rainsley" Only $20.29 to ship to Canada=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6maybe another Shrewd Rainsley Investment on the horizon? J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 8:36 AM To: rdn56@nc.rr.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER Same here, was going to drop a bid, but not for $5.95 postage From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, December 16, 2015 11:34 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER Not bad looking, but $5.95 postage for 2 cards worth 10 bucks? I know, he probably just drops it in a small Priority Mail box. I have to believe he'd have some bids if the postage was reasonable. ---- "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Ends in eight hours no bids yet View item: 1954 RED HEART 2 CARD ESTATE LOT ...ORIGINAL OWNER PIERCE,MINOSO End Time: Dec 16, 2015, 1:42:35 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 13:49:50 -0500 Subject: cool photo - Topps factory circa 1974 From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: 16 Dec 2015 11:02:50 -0800 To: Subject: Bizarre Question... From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:25:57 -0500 To: mfmroz@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bizarre Question... From: Jimi Thayer I believe Andy Blackwood tried this a few years ago (at least I think he did.) He's a member of VCT and OCT if you'd like to try him. I think he became very frustrated with the project BUT....obviously it takes time to research AND it'll cost a bazillion dollars. Once you get back into 19th century cards and even up into the '30s and '40s some of those guys are on scarce issues or were only ever featured on one card. HOWEVER.....I'm the kind of guy who would likely consider doing the same project! Hahaha!! So....let me think on that for a few minutes. If I started that project I'm afraid that the rest of my projects would be set aside for I think finding the best resource that's already in alphabetical order for you would be #1. Baseballalmanac.com maybe? Not sure. Of course, there were like 20,000+ MLB players ever so you'll need to collect that many, too. Very ambitious project! Best of luck! Sent from my iPad > On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:02 PM, mfmroz@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Guys, I figured I would solicit input from the group before jumping in..... > For years, I have pondered the idea of building a collection around obtaining a single card from every player who ever played (at least for those who have a card published). I always thought it would be cool to build a history of baseball of sorts, at least in an alphabetical manner. I also think it would be an interesting way to work on a type set, with obscure players from obscure sets. > Has anyone else ever considered this? If so, I'd be interested in any ideas you have for determining which card to go after as well as how to display the collection, and whether you build it simply from dupes, or incorporate cards from your primary collection. > Thanks in advance. > Mike Mroz ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:34:44 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Fred Merkle and C-3PO From: LAWRENCE TIPTON In my 24 years of OBC membership, I do not recall every having talked aboutthis Lots of action on the Wantlist and Thanks Servers involving Topps Star Warscards, and who isn=E2=99t excited about the new movie opening in just acouple Yet I suppose this error card is just common knowledge among us collectors? May The Force Be With You! PS I could use a =E2=9Ccorrected=E2=9D version if anyone has an extra=E2=A6. ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:44:49 -0500 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bizarre Question... From: Joel Freedman There is a book that lists cards by player alphabetically http://www.amazon.com/Beckett-Baseball-Card-Alphabetical-Checklist/dp/1930692110/refsr_1_1?ieUTF8&qid1450298134&sr8-1&keywordsbeckett+b= Rather than try to find a player of every name, I narrowed to all HOFers on Topps cards. https://sites.google.com/site/jefreedman1/halloffamerswanted This is a separate book of cards and different than the cards in my sets. A card of every player is a daunting. Sounds like a notebook for each letter of the alphabet. On Wed, Dec 16, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I believe Andy Blackwood tried this a few years ago (at least I think he > did.) He's a member of VCT and OCT if you'd like to try him. I think he > became very frustrated with the project BUT....obviously it takes time to > research AND it'll cost a bazillion dollars. Once you get back into 19th > century cards and even up into the '30s and '40s some of those guys are on > scarce issues or were only ever featured on one card. > HOWEVER.....I'm the kind of guy who would likely consider doing the same > project! Hahaha!! So....let me think on that for a few minutes. If I > started that project I'm afraid that the rest of my projects would be set > aside for sure. > I think finding the best resource that's already in alphabetical order for > you would be #1. Baseballalmanac.com > maybe? Not sure. Of course, there were like 20,000+ MLB players ever so > you'll need to collect that many, too. > Very ambitious project! Best of luck! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Dec 16, 2015, at 2:02 PM, mfmroz@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Guys, I figured I would solicit input from the group before jumping in..... > For years, I have pondered the idea of building a collection around > obtaining a single card from every player who ever played (at least for > those who have a card published). I always thought it would be cool to > build a history of baseball of sorts, at least in an alphabetical manner. > I also think it would be an interesting way to work on a type set, with > obscure players from obscure sets. > Has anyone else ever considered this? If so, I'd be interested in any > ideas you have for determining which card to go after as well as how to > display the collection, and whether you build it simply from dupes, or > incorporate cards from your primary collection. > Thanks in advance. > Mike Mroz ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 15:26:37 -0600 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bizarre Question... From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: 16 Dec 2015 14:05:20 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bizarre Question... From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 17:28:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: A-Team Cards From: Tom Housley Tom Housley -----Original Message----- From: Richard Robinson To: directorth Sent: Wed, Dec 16, 2015 5:09 pm Subject: A-Team Cards Does anyone collect the 1983 A-Team cards? I have four to send to the first responder. Please include your address. Richard Robinson ================= To: Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 14:45:54 -0800 Subject: Re: Bizarre Question... From: "George Vrechek" I tried doing a card for every player as a kid.and then high school came along. I'm pretty sure Buck Barker worked on this for a long time. He even went after photos of players who never had cards including many tough ones from Latin America. An impossible task, I believe. George Vrechek ================= Date: 16 Dec 2015 18:07:36 -0800 To: Subject: 2 Card waiver- baseball and star wars From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 03:43:20 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Any Yankees fans out there... From: chris tripler I have a couple of xmas/hanakkuh/kwansa Yankees gifties for you...fcfs...you'll just have to wait and see what they are.send address... Chris TriplerOBC 2015 ================= Date: 16 Dec 2015 22:01:15 -0800 To: Subject: 2016 mini collection challenge From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 07:31:51 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge From: Ken M Since I'm still working on adding to the main collection, I probably won't try any of these... yet. However, I'll submit a couple more ideas...1) Fill a 9 pocket page with the greatest starting 9 for each team2) Start an album with one player who wore each number for that team. Bonus points for adding a player who wore the number BEFORE it was retired.2a) A collection of just retired numbers for each team, but NOT of the players who had their numbers retired. (You could fill an album with players who wore 42 or consider it just retired by the Dodgers, not MLB)3) The Mario Mendoza album: Fill a binder with the 700 (or some other arbitrary number) of the WORST players for each card number. Determining criteria could be lowest career BA, hits, wins or highest ERA - or players who never played in the majors at all. Gotta get ready for work or I'd add some more... I may do that later anyway. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Date: Thu, Dec 17, 2015 1:01 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge CHALLENGE: START A MINI-COLLECTION IN 2016! I'd like to submit a challenge to the fun-loving folks of the greatest card collecting brotherhood in the world. So here are a baker's dozen ideas... 1. Cards with 20 or more years of stats shown on the reverse. 2. Cards of a defunct team within a specific era (Pilots, Browns of the 50's, KC A's, Topps Brooklyn cards etc) 3. Cards from the people born where you live. 4. "Retired rookie" cards: the first card issued after a player retires, with their final year of stats on it. 5. Cards depicting players on a team they were on for less than a full season. 6. Unibrow kings. Just do a quick Google search and you will get Frank Zupo, Wally Moon, Jack Clark, Curt Blefary, Andy Etchebarren... 7. Cards depicting ballpark advertising signage in the background. 8. One card each of the top 100 leaders in any all-time career statistic. 9. Go find an unmarked vintage checklist card. Col lect the cards on it (again if you already have them) and actually MARK the checklist as you go. 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley binder is one of my favorites! 11. Cards showing DID NOT PLAY - IN MILITARY or similar wordings. Couple that with a pic of them in uniform... dang! 12. Each year's corresponding card number: 1952 Topps #52, 53 Topps #53, etc... 13. One card of the first player to hit a home run (or do whatever) for each team. I'd love to hear your (serious or crazy) mini-collection ideas. I'd also love to hear someone actually DO one of these. What do you think? I'm still having fun with cardboard, how about you? Aaron Shirley ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:24:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge From: Taylor Schock >>> 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley binder is one of my favorites! Oh yeah, it must be nice! Try looking up "Schock" in the baseball reference. So I went with 10A. Players who played pre-1980 with the FIRST name of "Taylor", for which there is a HAVE list on my web page. That narrowed it down to only 4 major leaguers with a total of 10 minor league possibilities (butnot Not sure if this one was mentioned. Players that went to the same high school or college (probably college), which I did for football for a while. Butwhen you get to the Dan Marino types, it just gets too daunting. Or maybe just RCs of players that went to the same college? Hmmmm.... http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:01 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge CHALLENGE: START A MINI-COLLECTION IN 2016! I'd like to submit a challenge to the fun-loving folks of the greatest cardcollecting brotherhood in the world. So here are a baker's dozen ideas... 1. Cards with 20 or more years of stats shown on the reverse. 2. Cards of a defunct team within a specific era (Pilots, Browns of the 50's, KC A's, Topps Brooklyn cards etc) 3. Cards from the people born where you live. 4. "Retired rookie" cards: the first card issued after a player retires, with their final year of stats on it. 5. Cards depicting players on a team they were on for less than a full season. 6. Unibrow kings. Just do a quick Google search and you will get Frank Zupo, Wally Moon, Jack Clark, Curt Blefary, Andy Etchebarren... 7. Cards depicting ballpark advertising signage in the background. 8. One card each of the top 100 leaders in any all-time career statistic. 9. Go find an unmarked vintage checklist card. Collect the cards on it (again if you already have them) and actually MARK the checklist as you go. 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley binder is one of my favorites! 11. Cards showing DID NOT PLAY - IN MILITARY or similar wordings. Couple that with a pic of them in uniform... dang! 12. Each year's corresponding card number: 1952 Topps #52, 53 Topps #53, etc... 13. One card of the first player to hit a home run (or do whatever) for each I'd love to hear your (serious or crazy) mini-collection ideas. I'd also love to hear someone actually DO one of these. What do you think? I'm still having fun with cardboard, how about you? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 08:43:36 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge From: Joel Freedman how about all of the Topps All Star Rookie Trophy cards................ https://sites.google.com/site/jefreedman1/topps-all-star-rookie-team or all of the world series and leader cards.............. https://sites.google.com/site/jefreedman1/topps-world-series-and-leader-cards-w On Thu, Dec 17, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > >>> 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley > binder is one of my favorites! > Oh yeah, it must be nice! Try looking up "Schock" in the baseball > reference. [image: 😡] > So I went with 10A. Players who played pre-1980 with the FIRST name of > "Taylor", for which there is a HAVE list on my web page. That narrowed it > down to only 4 major leaguers with a total of 10 minor league possibilities > (but not probabilities). > Not sure if this one was mentioned. Players that went to the same high > school or college (probably college), which I did for football for a while. > But when you get to the Dan Marino types, it just gets too daunting. Or > maybe just RCs of players that went to the same college? Hmmmm.... > Regards, > Taylor > http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html > ------------------------------ > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on > behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:01 AM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge > CHALLENGE: START A MINI-COLLECTION IN 2016! > I'd like to submit a challenge to the fun-loving folks of the greatest > card collecting brotherhood in the world. So here are a baker's dozen > ideas... > 1. Cards with 20 or more years of stats shown on the reverse. > 2. Cards of a defunct team within a specific era (Pilots, Browns of the > 50's, KC A's, Topps Brooklyn cards etc) > 3. Cards from the people born where you live. > 4. "Retired rookie" cards: the first card issued after a player retires, > with their final year of stats on it. > 5. Cards depicting players on a team they were on for less than a full > season. > 6. Unibrow kings. Just do a quick Google search and you will get Frank > Zupo, Wally Moon, Jack Clark, Curt Blefary, Andy Etchebarren... > 7. Cards depicting ballpark advertising signage in the background. > 8. One card each of the top 100 leaders in any all-time career statistic. > 9. Go find an unmarked vintage checklist card. Collect the cards on it > (again if you already have them) and actually MARK the checklist as you go. > 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley binder > is one of my favorites! > 11. Cards showing DID NOT PLAY - IN MILITARY or similar wordings. Couple > that with a pic of them in uniform... dang! > 12. Each year's corresponding card number: 1952 Topps #52, 53 Topps #53, > etc... > 13. One card of the first player to hit a home run (or do whatever) for > each team. > I'd love to hear your (serious or crazy) mini-collection ideas. I'd also > love to hear someone actually DO one of these. What do you think? > I'm still having fun with cardboard, how about you? > Aaron Shirley ================= To: Taylor Schock , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 07:55:55 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge From: JAY TYSVER That puts me at Alvin Jones for basketball, Kenny Gant and Ray Lewis for Football and Alan Mills for Baseball. Now if I went with College I've got a better choice, Buster Posey, Dave Cowens, Jameis Winston etc. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 13:24:08 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge >>> 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley binder is one of my favorites! Oh yeah, it must be nice! Try looking up "Schock" in the baseball reference. So I went with 10A. Players who played pre-1980 with the FIRST name of "Taylor", for which there is a HAVE list on my web page. That narrowed it down to only 4 major leaguers with a total of 10 minor league possibilities (butnot Not sure if this one was mentioned. Players that went to the same high school or college (probably college), which I did for football for a while. Butwhen you get to the Dan Marino types, it just gets too daunting. Or maybe just RCs of players that went to the same college? Hmmmm.... http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 1:01 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2016 mini collection challenge CHALLENGE: START A MINI-COLLECTION IN 2016! I'd like to submit a challenge to the fun-loving folks of the greatest cardcollecting brotherhood in the world. So here are a baker's dozen ideas... 1. Cards with 20 or more years of stats shown on the reverse. 2. Cards of a defunct team within a specific era (Pilots, Browns of the 50's, KC A's, Topps Brooklyn cards etc) 3. Cards from the people born where you live. 4. "Retired rookie" cards: the first card issued after a player retires, with their final year of stats on it. 5. Cards depicting players on a team they were on for less than a full season. 6. Unibrow kings. Just do a quick Google search and you will get Frank Zupo, Wally Moon, Jack Clark, Curt Blefary, Andy Etchebarren... 7. Cards depicting ballpark advertising signage in the background. 8. One card each of the top 100 leaders in any all-time career statistic. 9. Go find an unmarked vintage checklist card. Collect the cards on it (again if you already have them) and actually MARK the checklist as you go. 10. Cards of people with your last name. I can tell you my Shirley binder is one of my favorites! 11. Cards showing DID NOT PLAY - IN MILITARY or similar wordings. Couple that with a pic of them in uniform... dang! 12. Each year's corresponding card number: 1952 Topps #52, 53 Topps #53, etc... 13. One card of the first player to hit a home run (or do whatever) for each I'd love to hear your (serious or crazy) mini-collection ideas. I'd also love to hear someone actually DO one of these. What do you think? I'm still having fun with cardboard, how about you? Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 11:34:04 -0600 To: mfmroz@prodigy.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bizarre Question... From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:49:34 -0700 To: obc ramblings Subject: Web Pages - what do you use? From: James Silva Hi gents. I know this has probably been discussed a plenty. Can you point me in the direction of a web page builder/host so that I can start my own coolio web page for baseball cards instead of my personality-free want list? I would like something that is free(cheap) and relatively easy to use that is likely to stick around for a while. Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 01:50:37 -0500 To: James Silva Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Pages - what do you use? From: BBC Trading Hi Jim I use Yola.com for my site. It's very easy to use and customize. They don'tput ads all over your pages at all. It's free and I believe it's pretty popular so it should be around a while. You can see what my site looks like for an example. http://cobbspikedme.yolasite.com Not sure if that link works but you can get to my list through the directory I know there are several choices out there but I've been very happy with Yola and always recommend it to people. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:49 PM, "James Silva jfsilva25@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Hi gents. I know this has probably been discussed a plenty. Can you pointme in the direction of a web page builder/host so that I can start my own coolio web page for baseball cards instead of my personality-free want list? I would like something that is free(cheap) and relatively easy to use that is likely to stick around for a while. > Thanks! > Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= To: obc ramblings , James Silva Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:14:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Pages - what do you use? From: Taylor Schock www.weebly.com ? As in... http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of James Silva jfsilva25@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2015 10:49 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Pages - what do you use? Hi gents. I know this has probably been discussed a plenty. Can you point me in the direction of a web page builder/host so that I can start my own coolio web page for baseball cards instead of my personality-free want list? I would like something that is free(cheap) and relatively easy to use that is likely to stick around for a while. Jim "El Fuego" Silva #25 ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 07:24:25 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: My 2016 mini collection idea From: Ken M OK, so I did say I probably wasn't going to do one of these but I think this one might be fun. My project will require 39 nine-pocket pages (1-1/2 for each letter of the alphabet). My goal is to get one of each player with different initials. For example, Andy Ashby, Aaron Boone and Al Cowens would be AA, AB and AC respectively. I figure a header card followed by 26 spots for last names will fit nicely (back to back) into the nine-pocket pages, leaving holes for just the obscure initial combinations. (I'll take names that begin with Q, X and Y for 100, Jack.)  I will try to represent as many different sets as I can (preferably vintage of course) and will hopefully be able to limit it to cards that will fit into the pages. (So I don't have to take a pair of scissors to a 1952 Topps or an exhibit card.) The player's name would also preferably appear on the front of the card with their picture. I'm going to limit it to baseball for now, but may open it up to football, basketbal l and hockey as the letter combinations are exhausted (so hold onto your Xavier McDaniel, Quincy Adams and Zdeno Chara cards for a bit).  It's a 2016 project, so I have a couple weeks to put it together and come up with a wantlist... and go through my dupes filling in the binder spots. Better earmark that baseball reference website now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Ken M Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:10:22 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 mini collection idea From: Taylor Schock Hmmmm... All I can think of is... B - A - bay, B - E - be, B - I - bicky-by, B - O - Bo... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 7:24 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 mini collection idea OK, so I did say I probably wasn't going to do one of these but I think this one might be fun. My project will require 39 nine-pocket pages (1-1/2 foreach letter of the alphabet). My goal is to get one of each player with different initials. For example, Andy Ashby, Aaron Boone and Al Cowens would be AA, AB and AC respectively. I figure a header card followed by 26 spots for last names will fit nicely (back to back) into the nine-pocket pages, leaving holes for just the obscure initial combinations. (I'll take names that begin with Q, X and Y for 100, Jack.) I will try to represent as many different sets as I can (preferably vintage of course) and will hopefully be able to limit it to cards that will fitinto the pages. (So I don't have to take a pair of scissors to a 1952 Topps or an exhibit card.) The player's name would also pr eferably appear on the front of the card with their picture. I'm going to limit it to baseball for now, but may open it up to football, basketball and hockey as the letter combinations are exhausted (so hold onto your Xavier McDaniel, Quincy Adams and Zdeno Chara cards for a bit). It's a 2016 project, so I have a couple weeks to put it together and comeup with a wantlist... and go through my dupes filling in the binder spots.Better earmark that baseball reference website now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 18 Dec 2015 06:39:37 -0800 To: Subject: My 2016 Mini Collection From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:49:52 -0500 To: mfmroz@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: Jimi Thayer Very cool! Does it have to be a card during his playing years? Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, mfmroz@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Guys, with a little "convincing" from Aaron Shirley, I decided to take the plunge and go after a card of each player ever. George mentioned that Buck Barker tried it years ago - if it's good enough for Buck, it's good enough for me. Not sure it's a "mini" collection, but.... > I did some research and found there were 18.663 players to play in the bigs up through 2015 (my cutoff), so I'm calling it my 18663 Project. > I am currently going through my dupes to see where I stand, but have posted a Top 10 on my wantlist. I'm starting with the Aa's - Aarsma, Aaron, Aase and trying to knock off Q, and Z first. My weakest dupes are from 1995-2005, so that might be where I need the most help in the beginning. If youwant to contribute, I'll try to hit back as much as possible, and I'll make sure you get immortalized on the project page. > Thanks in advance! > Mike Mroz ================= Date: 18 Dec 2015 06:58:16 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 10:22:25 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some other project ideas.... From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, I'm still contemplating what my extra project might be, but I want to sharea few more ideas I had. 1) Creating a 9-pocket binder of all the starting lineups in your team's history on Opening Day. I did this with my Indians awhile back, but gave up once I got back to prewar stuff. :) This requires more work if your team goes waaaaaay back in history like the Tribe! If you're a Mets fan, for example, this'll be much easier! So basically, the first page might be the year 2015 with your lead off hitter in the top left pocket, the guy in the 2-hole in the second pocket, and so on. 9-pocket page with a 9-man line-up!So 2014 behind it and so on, or you could start with vintage and work your way up. Every top left pocket would have your lead off guy, so you as you flip the pages you can see how the Indians (or whoever) evolved in that spot over the years. For me, I'd see how long Sizemore, Lofton, Kipnis, andso on had played each year in that spot. Plus, not being a big UV guy, this DID give me an opportunity to see some of the new cards and not feel like I was collecting a giant UV set! 2) Earliest card for each HOFer. I have been in and out of this very collection over the years. It'll get expensive, but the way I ran the project kept HOFers going in and out of the HOF box and allowed for some awesome trades over the years. So for example, if the only Mickey Mantle I had was his 1968 Topps card, that card would hold a spot until I could get an older one. Once I would obtain an older one, perhaps 1965 Topps, the 1968 Topps card would become available to trade. The ultimate goal then would be to reach his 1951 Bowman RC. This would hold true for all 310 players/executives/managers of the HOF. If you wanted to move a little slower with the project, you could collect only RCs (or near RCs, since some are near impossible). Or you could collect only players, or only managers, or only catchers,etc. 3) Your favorite team's starting pitcher on Opening Day each year...gets put in the binding on the outside to represent that Topps year. So for example on the outside of my 1962 Topps binder, I'd slip a card of Dick Donovan (at least I think that's who started on Opening Day that year) in the sleeve to represent the binder. So, on a shelf, you'd see nothing but ClevelandIndians Opening Day starters on my binders for each year. Again, you'd get to openly see who was the starter was each year without even having to domuch, other than look over on your wall! There will be a few bumps along the way. For example, for me, in 1981, the Opening Day starter for the Tribe was Bert Blyleven. Guess what team he is featured on his 1981 Topps card that year? The Pirates! So, there might be years where your opening daystarter will represent a different team if he played with someone else theprevious year. BUT THIS IS AN EASY PROJECT FOR THE MOST PART! Anyway, these are a few projects I've done over the years, and none of themfelt like they completely consumed my time, but were fun to work on along the way! I'm even considering doing #1 and #3 again (I already do #2). Sent from my iPad ================= To: "mfmroz@prodigy.net" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 09:30:07 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: JAY TYSVER If you can get me a master list of the players from Baseball Reference vs. a good list of Cards issued, I can run a cross check in Excel to find who has and doesn't have cards. It would be important to have the debut years from BB Reference of each player as you wouldn't need to buy a 1994 and 1995 Fleer set to get all of the players from both years, only the '94 set and just the cards of those who debuted in '95. I would be willing to do some research on creating a master checklist for this with the cheapest possible solution as it sounds like its a lot more possible than some might realize. I might also suggest a good place to start a collection like this would be with some of the TCMA sets. The 1950s and 1960s sets which were issued in the 1970s would provide a cheaper way to fill a few of those holes. As well,they and others did a lot of other Team sets and reissues of older sets. Also I think there was a set of one game wonders issued a few years ago. I might suggest also that for the UV years, Fleer or Score or Bazooka may be the cheaper sets or ways to go. Jay Tysver To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:39:37 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection Guys, with a little "convincing" from Aaron Shirley, I decided to take the plunge and go after a card of each player ever. George mentioned that Buck Barker tried it years ago - if it's good enough for Buck, it's goodenough for me. Not sure it's a "mini" collection, but.... I did some research and found there were 18.663 players to play in the bigsup through 2015 (my cutoff), so I'm calling it my 18663 Project. I am currently going through my dupes to see where I stand, but have posteda Top 10 on my wantlist. I'm starting with the Aa's - Aarsma, Aaron, Aaseand trying to knock off Q, and Z first. My weakest dupes are from 1995-2005, so that might be where I need the most help in the beginning. If you want to contribute, I'll try to hit back as much as possible, and I'll make sure you get immortalized on the project page. Thanks in advance! Mike Mroz ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:29:01 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some other project ideas.... From: Jake Elwell How about cards of players from a given team who never actually played for that team? As a Red Sox fan in the seventies the one that always comes to mind is the 1972 Topps Bobby Pfiel. ================= To: Jay Tysver , Mike Mroz , OBC Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:23:04 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: Aaron Shirley The TCMA sets Jay mentioned brings to mind the "first card" designation that was on a lot of the Conlon stuff in those 90's sets. Those would be a good place when you really need to start digging. Mike, if you don't have those sets, just make it known. I would be willing to pilfer my stash for the sake of this endeavor. Of course, we're all having a great time telling you how to do this... bwahahaha! Honestly though, I'm really excited about all the chatter this is causing. I love the ideas going around. ================= To: Aaron Shirley , Mike Mroz , OBC Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:44:27 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: JAY TYSVER I've developed a Spreadsheet of all players through 2015. There are three tabs on it. The first is sorted by players name, the second by the debut date and the third is Hall of Famers only. It can be downloaded on my site at this address... http://www.jaytysver.com/bb-cards.html It is a file towards the bottom, just above the "Mets Videos" area. I am also attaching a file to this if that works through the server. Now if I can only get a listing of all cards, I can do a comparison. To: jtysver1@msn.com; mfmroz@prodigy.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 12:23:04 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection The TCMA sets Jay mentioned brings to mind the "first card" designation that was on a lot of the Conlon stuff in those 90's sets. Those would be a good place when you really need to start digging. Mike, if you don't have those sets, just make it known. I would be willing to pilfer my stash for the sake of this endeavor. Of course, we're all having a great time telling you how to do this... bwahahaha! Honestly though, I'm really excited about all the chatter this is causing. I love the ideas going around. ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:55:10 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: Ken M I'll say no on the playing years, so it'll make some of the names easier to find instead of looking for an obscure 19th century or tobacco issue. Might make finding that Urban Shocker card a little more manageable and/or less expensive. :-) Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Fri, Dec 18, 2015 9:55 AMTo: mfmroz@prodigy.net;Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection Very cool!  Does it have to be a card during his playing years? Sent from my iPhone On Dec 18, 2015, at 9:39 AM, mfmroz@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote:   Guys, with a little "convincing" from Aaron Shirley, I decided to take the plunge and go after a card of each player ever.  George mentioned that Buck Barker tried it years ago  - if it's good enough for Buck, it's good enough for me.  Not sure it's a "mini" collection, but.... I did some research and found there were 18.663 players to play in the bigs up through 2015 (my cutoff), so I'm calling it my 18663 Project.  I am currently going through my dupes to see where I stand, but have posted a Top 10 on my wantlist.  I'm starting with the Aa's - Aarsma, Aaron, Aase and trying to knock off Q, and Z first.  My weakest dupes are from 1995-2005, so that might be where I need the most help in the beginning.  If you want to contribute, I'll try to hit back as much as possible, and I'll make sure you get immortalized on the project page.  Thanks in advance! Mike Mroz ================= Date: 18 Dec 2015 11:04:44 -0800 To: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= To: "mfmroz@prodigy.net" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:53:38 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection From: JAY TYSVER Spreadsheet updated to include all players with cards and all players without cards as per Trading Card Database. Will also post on my site. 12,759 players with cards total. Jay Tysver To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 11:04:44 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 Mini Collection Thanks! I've gotten a few replies about the book of cards listed alphabetically, but have not seen a database of cards. I know tradingcarddb.com hasa ton of cards listed, but I'm not sure their data can be easily downloaded. ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 15:15:32 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jello short print From: Jimi Thayer LOL this actually made me laugh out loud! =E2=BA=EF=B8=8F Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 18, 2015, at 3:08 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > A short print from our friend Sean Bassik. He has it listed as a Post (why doesn't that surprise me). > $3 + $3 shipping is still a heck of a deal. > Happy Holidays, > Peter Mead > http://www.ebay.com/itm/291641154286 ================= To: Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 13:46:36 -0800 Subject: Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year Wonders From: "George Vrechek" I have to chime in on the special collection theme. I started collecting every card of Tommy John which turned into an affordable type-card collection. You can collect HOFers who will be expensive. How about a collection of one year wonders, players who only got on one baseball card who might also be more affordable? You would collect one card from each year. In recent years, this might be hard since there are so many cards of every conceivable player. However older cards and years may be doable. Here are some candidates: Johnny Kucab (1952), Dick Bokelmann (1953), Paul Penson (1954), Harry Agganis (1955). Rance Pless (1956) and Jim Pyburn (1957). Some of the candidates may not have even played in the major leagues, but still made it onto a card. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 23:44:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "Vrechek, George" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year From: tvalacak@comcast.net I have been a bit hesitant to chime in here, but I'm taking the dip. My hesitation stems from the fact that my mini collection is a uv one. I collect cards of every player who has played for the World Champion Red Sox 2004, 2007, and 2013, as well as the 2005 World Champion White Sox. There, I said it. It was after the 2007 championship that I began picking up cards from the 04 and 07 teams. Usually, it was at a small show, not much vintage, but tons of cheap uv. I always like the search - so it began. Obviously, added the 2013 team two years ago, and that's when I also decided to add the 2005White Sox. I still need to get a HAVE list together at some point, but I really enjoy it. Still trying to find an Earl Snyder and Andy Dominique card. Great thread ----- Original Message ----- From: "'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 3:46:36 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year Wonders I have to chime in on the special collection theme. I started collecting every card of Tommy John which turned into an affordable type-card collection. You can collect HOFers who will be expensive. How about a collection of one year wonders, players who only got on one baseball card who might also be more affordable? You would collect one card from each year. In recent years, this might be hard since there are so many cards of every conceivable player. However older cards and years may be doable. Here are some candidates: Johnny Kucab (1952), Dick Bokelmann (1953), Paul Penson (1954), Harry Agganis (1955). Rance Pless (1956) and Jim Pyburn (1957). Some of the candidates may not have even played in the major leagues, but still made it onto a card. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 01:41:48 +0000 (UTC) To: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year From: tvalacak@comcast.net I appreciate that offer Brian. Thank you. However, I will still search those uv boxes for modern treasures - so, we may as well root for them to win another one. I don't mind. ----- Original Message ----- From: familytoad@comcast.net To: tvalacak@comcast.net, "George Vrechek" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 6:39:59 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year Wonders As a Phillies fan, it's not too hard to collect a card from their World Series championships. The first one abuts the UV era. The second one was only 7 seasons ago, but the next one might be a long long time. So to be helpful...In fact, I'd like to help TJ with his collection by not allowing the Red Sox to win anymore WS in the future! You are welcome! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: George Vrechek Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: December 18, 2015 at 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year Wonders I have been a bit hesitant to chime in here, but I'm taking the dip. My hesitation stems from the fact that my mini collection is a uv one. I collect cards of every player who has played for the World Champion Red Sox 2004, 2007, and 2013, as well as the 2005 World Champion White Sox. There, I said it. It was after the 2007 championship that I began picking up cards from the 04 and 07 teams. Usually, it was at a small show, not much vintage, but tons of cheap uv. I always like the search - so it began. Obviously, added the 2013 team two years ago, and that's when I also decided to add the 2005White Sox. I still need to get a HAVE list together at some point, but I really enjoy it. Still trying to find an Earl Snyder and Andy Dominique card. Great thread ----- Original Message ----- From: "'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 18, 2015 3:46:36 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 2016 mini collection challenge - One Year Wonders I have to chime in on the special collection theme. I started collecting every card of Tommy John which turned into an affordable type-card collection. You can collect HOFers who will be expensive. How about a collection of one year wonders, players who only got on one baseball card who might also be more affordable? You would collect one card from each year. In recent years, this might be hard since there are so many cards of every conceivable player. However older cards and years may be doable. Here are some candidates: Johnny Kucab (1952), Dick Bokelmann (1953), Paul Penson (1954), Harry Agganis (1955). Rance Pless (1956) and Jim Pyburn (1957). Some of the candidates may not have even played in the major leagues, but still made it onto a card. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 17:48:57 -0800 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jello short print From: Rick Just bought four cards from him didn't know it was him until they arrived and got all his advertising in the puffy and now get emails from him daily. I was happy with the leaf/Johnston/exhibit/bowman cards. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:15 PM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > LOL this actually made me laugh out loud! =E2=BA=EF=B8=8F > Jimi > Sent from my iPhone >> On Dec 18, 2015, at 3:08 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] >> A short print from our friend Sean Bassik. He has it listed as a Post (why doesn't that surprise me). >> $3 + $3 shipping is still a heck of a deal. >> Happy Holidays, >> Peter Mead >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/291641154286 ================= Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:04:48 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 mini collection idea From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en And you all say collecting variations is insane! 18,000 what? "You're going to need a bigger binder!" Just the best part of collecting cards, you can make your own rules and roll with it! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/18/2015 7:24:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: OK, so I did say I probably wasn't going to do one of these but I think this one might be fun. My project will require 39 nine-pocket pages (1-1/2 for each letter of the alphabet). My goal is to get one of each player with different initials. For example, Andy Ashby, Aaron Boone and Al Cowens would be AA, AB and AC respectively. I figure a header card followed by 26 spots for last names will fit nicely (back to back) into the nine-pocket pages, leaving holes for just the obscure initial combinations. (I'll take names that begin with Q, X and Y for 100, Jack.) I will try to represent as many different sets as I can (preferably vintage of course) and will hopefully be able to limit it to cards that will into the pages. (So I don't have to take a pair of scissors to a 1952 Topps or an exhibit card.) The player's name would also pr eferably appear on the front of the card with their picture. I'm going to limit it to baseball for now, but may open it up to football, basketball and hockey as the letter combinations are exhausted (so hold onto your Xavier McDaniel, Quincy Adams and Zdeno Chara cards for a bit). It's a 2016 project, so I have a couple weeks to put it together and come up with a wantlist... and go through my dupes filling in the binder spots. Better earmark that baseball reference website now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 02:26:41 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Pages - what do you use? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Hi Jim, I used google pages. Real easy to update, no ads. You can cut and paste your list right into the form. Also lets you easily add pages for different things you collect and links each page. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/18/2015 1:50:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi Jim I use _Yola.com_ (http://yola.com/) for my site. It's very easy to use and customize. They don't put ads all over your pages at all. It's free and believe it's pretty popular so it should be around a while. You can see what my site looks like for an example. _http://cobbspikedme.yolasite.com_ (http://cobbspikedme.yolasite.com/) Not sure if that link works but you can get to my list through the directory too. I know there are several choices out there but I've been very happy with Yola and always recommend it to people. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2015, at 10:49 PM, "James Silva _jfsilva25@comcast.net_ (mailto:jfsilva25@comcast.net) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Hi gents. I know this has probably been discussed a plenty. Can you point me in the direction of a web page builder/host so that I can start my own coolio web page for baseball cards instead of my personality-free want list? I would like something that is free(cheap) and relatively easy to use that is likely to stick around for a while. Jim =E2=9CEl Fuego=E2=9D Silva #25 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:11:38 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 mini collection idea From: "Matt Yudt" Only in OBC would this be considered a mini collection idea. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 2:05 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My 2016 mini collection idea And you all say collecting variations is insane! 18,000 what? "You're going to need a bigger binder!" Just the best part of collecting cards, you can make your own rules and roll with it! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 12/18/2015 7:24:37 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: OK, so I did say I probably wasn't going to do one of these but I think this one might be fun. My project will require 39 nine-pocket pages (1-1/2 for each letter of the alphabet). My goal is to get one of each player with different initials. For example, Andy Ashby, Aaron Boone and Al Cowens would be AA, AB and AC respectively. I figure a header card followed by 26 spots for last names will fit nicely (back to back) into the nine-pocket pages, leaving holes for just the obscure initial combinations. (I'll take names that begin with Q, X and Y for 100, Jack.) I will try to represent as many different sets as I can (preferably vintage of course) and will hopefully be able to limit it to cards that will fit into the pages. (So I don't have to take a pair of scissors to a 1952 Topps or an exhibit card.) The player's name would also pr eferably appear on the front of the card with their picture. I'm going to limit it to baseball for now, but may open it up to football, basketball and hockey as the letter combinations are exhausted (so hold onto your Xavier McDaniel, Quincy Adams and Zdeno Chara cards for a bit). It's a 2016 project, so I have a couple weeks to put it together and come up with a wantlist... and go through my dupes filling in the binder spots. Better earmark that baseball reference website now. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:06:03 -0500 To: OBC Wantlist , Subject: 1974 Topps Red Team Checklists needed From: Jimi Thayer Down to only 7 needed: One Asterisk * Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia Two Asterisks ** California, Minnesota, New York Yankees, Texas Any heroes out there? :) Sent from my iPad ================= To: "jimivintage@yahoo.com" , OBC Wantlist Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:34:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [DugoutTraders] 1974 Topps Red Team Checklists needed From: richard dingman I will send 1 asterisk Atlanta. Richard D To: OBC_Wantlist@yahoogroups.com; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com; Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com; From: DugoutTraders-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 13:06:03 -0500 Subject: [DugoutTraders] 1974 Topps Red Team Checklists needed Down to only 7 needed: One Asterisk * Atlanta, Baltimore, Philadelphia Two Asterisks ** California, Minnesota, New York Yankees, Texas Any heroes out there? :) Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 20 Dec 2015 11:26:54 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 10:00:16 +0000 (UTC) To: Chris Dunn , Subject: Holiday message from Maureen & Glenn From: Glenn Codere Seasons Greetings from Maureen & Glenn!! We'd like to wish you and yours all the very best for the holiday season and We've had an eventful 2015. For those who don't know (and we're sure most of you do) we've been in the process of having a new kitchen/dining room extension built. We started the ball rolling on this work way back in February, and the good news is that we are almost finished. We should be enjoying Christmas dinner and celebrating New Year with family and friends in the newroom. Still a lot of work to be done to the exterior and surround but thatwill come over the next few months. The building work has sucked down most of our available cash this past year, so no big vacation for us although we did manage a couple trips down to London - one for the England vs Scotland rugby international and one for theAlan Parsons Project gig. We also spent a wonderful long weekend on the Isle of Arran off Scotland's west coast. We lucked out with the weather, getting possibly the best weekend of the year. We enjoyed a relaxing few days of walking, good food, and the odd dram or two. As we've done the past 2 years, in lieu of cards and the associated postal costs we'll be making a donation to something close to us. This year, we'llbe supporting K4J - Kidney for Jillian, a fund to help support my 16 year old cousin Jillian Laplante who is in search of a kidney donor for what will be her second transplant. She is an amazingly beautiful and brave person.Read about her here - https://www.gofundme.com/Kidney4Jillian , https://www.facebook.com/Kidney4Jillian/?frefts and if you are able, please feel free to throw a few bucks her way. Enjoy your holiday, and we hope 2016 brings you all you would wish for! Glenn & Maureen Codere ps Apologies if you get this message twice. We're trying to touch all bases, and a few of you might be on multiple groups or we might have more than one email address for you! ================= To: "vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com" , oct Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 15:27:15 +0000 Subject: Year End Analysis.... From: Jo Meyer and John Gray My friends, As the final grades are in for my classes this semester, the three of us are get ready to hit the road this afternoon to head south to Grandma=92s house for a week. With that in mind, I wanted to post the results of my 2015 collecting goals as well as my goals for the New Year. Also, three people sent set killing top ten cards my way in the last month, so while I do not have the time to get all of the proper thanks sent out to their respective servers, I did want to give these three individuals special recognition (please excuse the cross post=85.) First, the thanks: Taylor Schock, a trader known to everyone in my four trading groups. He sends an amazing double =96 he had promised me a Boog Powell card from the 70 Kellogg=92s set (it may have been a waiver wire offer =96 I=92ve slept since then). That card would bring me down to just needing Clemente=85. Well, the package contained both Boog and Clemente =96 a set killer and a card on my top ten most wanted list! Second, Bob Neill of OBC hits a card high up on my Top Ten List (#2) =96 killing the 1977 Burger King Yankees set in the process =96 of course; it=92sthe SP of Lou Piniella! Lastly, neighbor, friend and card collector Ted Clayton of VCT sends along another Top Ten Kellogg=92s set killer =96 the 1976 RC of Dennis Eckersley! These three set killing hits help push one of my Ten Goals for the year well over the top. Of course, the main goal was surviving the first year withour new son, Oscar, avoiding serious damage. So far, so good. As for thecard trading, we are going out of town until 2016, and cards received in the mail should probably count toward next year=92s tally. So: 1 =96 Trim Topps Run from 60 to 45 =96 PASSED, with 16 cards to get to 44!2=96 Trim Bowman run from 78 to 60 =96 PASSED, with 39 cards to get to 39!3=96 Get Five Cards from my Top Ten List =96 PASSED, with an amazing 18! Biggest hits include the 52 Bowman Mantle and 48 Bowman Musial!4 =96 Send 100 Random Acts of Kindness =96 PASSED, with 101!5 =96 Get 12 more T205s =96 PASSED, with 19!6 =96 Get one of my remaining four Fatima Team Cards =96 FAILED=85=85=857 =96 Get 12 of my remaining 34 Double Play cards =96 PASSED, with 20!8 =96 Finish the 48 Bowman set with the Musial =96 PASSED!9 =96 100+ OPC hits before 1976 =96 PASSED, with 711 (way underestimated this one)!10 =96 Finish two Kellogg=92s sets =96 PASSED, with four under the belt! Thenext year has the following ten goals on the radar =96 Get the Topps run down by nine more (mostly 52 Highs, so this will be tougher sledding!), Bowman down to a lucky 21 with 18 hits, 100 more RAOK (not counting waiver wires or return fire =96 like this year these must be truly random), get 18 more T205s, get one of those Fatima team cards, cut my Red Man list in half from 70 to 35, finish my vintage Kellogg=92s sets (need 37), finish the 36 Goudey game back set (need four), cut my Wilson Franks list from 8 to 5, andthe 56 Topps pins list in half from 31 to 15. When the wantlist stretcheson for 50+ pages, I find these lists a useful way to focus and have some serious Thanks for a great year of cardboard and friendship. Jo, Oscar and I want to wish all of you Happy Holidays and safe travels wherever the next week take Be happy, JSGJohn Scott Gray=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:27:40 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: FCFS...1965 Topps Tallboy Football, #1 Tom Addison, slabbed PSA 4 From: chris tripler just looking for some return fire against our wantlist, thanks, guys!Be sure to leave address... Bart & Chris' Baseball Cards Want List | | | | | | | | | | | Bart & Chris' Baseball Cards Want ListBelow is the list of the cards needed for each set. Obviously, it will be edited as cards are added or wants change... | | | View on sites.google.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | ================= Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 16:47:18 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Playoff Pool - 2nd Call From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with a number of folks already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU INTERESTED IN PLAYING. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it, it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. The should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than January 8 to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Your card prize must be postmarked no later than Friday, January 8, 2016 and mailed to me at the address The playoff schedule won't be finalized until January 3, but if the playoffs were to start this weekend, the lineup would look like this: AFC Week 1: 6 Steelers at 3 Broncos, 5 Chiefs at 4 Texans, 1 Patriots and 2 Bengals BYE (Jets still in the hunt at 9-5, Colts and Jags with a slight chance ) AFC Week 2: 1 Patriots at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Bengals at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Vikings at 3 Packers, 5 Seahawks at 4 Redskins, 1 Panthers and 2 Cardinals BYE (4 teams still in the hunt at 6-7) NFC Week 2: 1 Panthers at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Cardinals at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 9-10 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 9 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 entry fee must be received via Paypal by January 8 and your prize card must be postmarked and mailed to me no later than January 8. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 8, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 3 at 10 AM CST. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy Holiday season to you and your Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 14:11:12 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: Salada coins From: Rick I made a silly purchase and it came today. Big bag of the 62 plastic coins without the paper inserts in them. Couldn't resist the thought of reunitingthese with the player inserts and who better to come across these that obcers. So if you all can put this in the back of your minds when you hit the shows if you find some cheap keep me in mind. Does anyone have any in theircollection send me the names and I can pull the right color for them. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 21:13:04 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Waiver wire availables From: Doug DeJong Here are some cards in need of a home. Typical OBC condition. Please include your address. Doug DeJong 1955 Topps 66 106 134 1956 Topps 309 1957 Topps 151 175 254 284 357 368 374 1958 Topps 395 421 1959 Topps 145 394 1960 Topps 295 1961 Topps 25 1963 Topps 61 1964 Topps 258 355 1970 Topps 565 1971 Topps 532 ================= Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 03:22:52 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1955 Topps Double Header #63 B. Borkowski B. Turley - GOOD From: Rick View item: 1955 Topps Double Header #63 B. Borkowski B. Turley - GOOD End Time: Jan 20, 2016, 3:52:27 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 03:23:22 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1955 Topps Double Header #33 Jim Pendleton and 34 Gene Conley - GOOD From: Rick View item: 1955 Topps Double Header #33 Jim Pendleton and 34 Gene Conley - GOOD End Time: Jan 20, 2016, 3:52:31 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 22 Dec 2015 12:08:49 -0800 To: Subject: wantlist overhaul From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:46:47 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: 1956 Flags of the World Set From: Mike Mackie Hi everyone In the course of winding down 2015, I picked up a few 1956 Flags of the World Set on Evilbay. So I just added the few that I picked up to my "have" list and just looking for some thoughts from those of you who have worked on this set previously. I can see from a Google search that there are 80 cards in this set, so it seems manageable. Any shortprints or scarcities or other pitfalls I should know about ahead of time? Any feedback appreciated. Thanks everyone! Mike MackieOBC ================= Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:57:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, VCT , Subject: Christmas cards that I sent out.... From: Jimi Thayer Hey guys, Well, I tried to get Christmas cards sent out to everybody's lists that I could hit in all my groups, and basically ran out of time. I've sent out about 100 so far, but since it's too late to send out before Christmas and still get them in time, I plan on sending more out after the weekend. We will call them New Year's cards instead? :) I've had a lot of fun going through everyone's lists! I started with last names starting with "A" and worked my way almost through "M". Much more to go through, but since I belong to 5 groups (YIKES!), it's taking a very long time! Have a great weekend you all! :) Sent from my iPad ================= To: Jimi Thayer , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 11:20:23 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Christmas cards that I sent out.... From: David Fallen Great effort Jimi! I'm sure we all appreciate it! Dave Fallen On 12/23/2015 8:57 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, > Well, I tried to get Christmas cards sent out to everybody's lists > that I could hit in all my groups, and basically ran out of time. I've > sent out about 100 so far, but since it's too late to send out before > Christmas and still get them in time, I plan on sending more out after > the weekend. We will call them New Year's cards instead? :) I've had a > lot of fun going through everyone's lists! I started with last names > starting with "A" and worked my way almost through "M". Much more to > go through, but since I belong to 5 groups (YIKES!), it's taking a > very long time! > Have a great weekend you all! :) > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:29:31 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Yep -- A Christmas Football Ramble From: Mike Diamanti Well Cardboard Lovers: I honestly cannot remember the last time I pitched a Ramble into the OBC airwaves, but this is nostalgia time for me, so here goes...... Recently the Seahawks played the Vikings in Minnesota and Pete Carroll, who got his start with the Vikings as an Assistant in 1985, stated that he still remains friends with Bud Grant, even as Bud becomes stooped over at 88 years. They hugged before the game. Nice, huh? As some of you may know, I was a hard-core die-hard, native-son Vikings fan until the fourth loss by the Vikings in as many trips to the Big Event Now I'm a hard-core transplanted Seahawks fan who enjoys the rise of a team that is the opposite of those Vikings from yesteryear -- this team struts their stuff, as do many players in the NFL. Friends of mine think it's an affront to the dignity of the game -- players should show some restraint, considering how much they get paid. Hmmm. I've been on both sides now, and the exuberance and excitement these modern players bring to the game is a plus, in my opinion. Yeah, it's ego stuff, but in my opinion, when you train as hard as some of these guys do, and play as a team for each other, you might want to let it all hang out after a difficult play. Bud Grant straddled both American and Canadian sports venues. He was very close friends with Chuck Bednarik, and he has inspired many people over the years. He set records in both Canada and the USA. I encourage all of you to read this link to a story done on Bud Grant this past June in Newsweek magazine. One of the things he told Pete Carroll to do once he got his own team, and it took a few tries before Pete really believed it, was Bud told him to make the team his own and don't be swayed by others telling you how to coach. Coach in your own style. Pete Carroll is a riot on the sidelines -- he's 67 or 68 and he has the energy of a caffeine-hyped rabbit, jumping around on the sidelines, dancing on lockers, running up and down the field, and firing up his players every chance he gets. If your team sucks, adopt the Seahawks for the rest of the season. They might not make it to the Superbowl, but it won't be for lack of a team effort or coaching. I'm going to enjoy the ride no matter how far it goes. http://www.newsweek.com/bud-grant-meanest-nicest-man-nfl-history-333853 Playoff-Bound Coffeedude Diamanti ================= Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:56:18 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Top Ten Hits 2015 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" As 2015 wraps up, and a few colleagues have post top hits, I though I would share my list. 10. Five Bowman Wild Man of eBay in October ended a couple of year drought on this set. 9. Luis Salazar - Venezuelan cards - I picked up a whopping eleven for the player collection from the 70's into the 2000's. Quite a legacy Mr. Salazar must have in his birth country. 8. Oscar Stanage T206 back run saw the addition of Old Mill and Piedmont putting me a six different backs. Stanage was my first T206 acquisition. My dad bought me a Stanage and Hinchman in the late seventies / early eighties in Anaheim. I often drive by the location of the old shop in my work 7. I wrapped up my T113 list with a nice looking Egypt card on eBay in November. The set isn't particularly hard to complete, but was low priority. 6. I picked up a 1915 Postaco Stamp Rowan from Andy Cook in February. I still love it Andy. 5. One of my favorite sets is the N3. I love the lithography. It has been a few years between hits. I added the Arquebus, Battle Axe, Bow Gun, Revolver and Rifle this year. 4. I picked up a T200 St. Louis AL card of eBay in July. I hope to pick of 1-2 of these a year. 3. In June, I completed my Oscar Gamble collection with then long-searched for 1977 White Sox Tribute. I picked up the sett off of eBay. 2. 1972 Topps miscut. I found a wrong backed card of Ken Singleton on eBay in February. The card feature partial backs of Ken Holtzman and Ken Henderson. Three Ken's on one card! 1. In February, Mac Wubben killed off my HOF collection list with a Dizzy Dean matchbook and a T206 Jack Chesbro. Thank you again Mac. Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:08:37 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Top Ten Wants for 2016 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Good Afternoon, I thought I would share my top ten items I will be looking for in 2016. 1. One to two Diamond Star HOF hits - Grove, Hornsby, Dickey, Foxx, Hafey, Frisch, Greenberg 2. 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 hits 3. One to two T200 hits - BOS-N, CLE-A, DET-A, NY-A, STL-N, WAS-A 4. Jim Rice 1982 FBI Discs - 21 (wrap up the player collection) 5. Johnny Grubb 1973 Linnett Portraits - 155 6. Jesse Orosco 1985 Mets Colla Postcards - 21 (wrap up the player 7. Don Robinsnon 1990 Giants Smokey - 17 (wrap up the player collection) 8. Ken Phelps 1986 Mariners Pacific Northwest Bell - 10 (wrap up the player collection) 9. One to two N3, N21 and N31 hits 10. U.L. Washington 1976 Omaha Royals Top Trophies - 25 Erik Greenwood ================= To: Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:36:48 -0800 Subject: Article on 1953 Topps, thanks Tom Billing From: "George Vrechek" One OBCer wantlist, that I'll bet not many people have been able to hit, is that of OBCer Tom Billing. Tom is top-notch in terms of being able to pick out variations and printing differences. His wantlist is quite a one-page challenge. Tom enjoys covering in detail the vintage sets from his youth. He has shared his discoveries with the OBCers who are into variations. His find of a 1953 Sid Hudson with a funny base led me into doing a 19-page article that is now on our library page: 1953 Topps a Much Closer Look. It is the 6th article listed under "All About the Cards." (Some light reading over your holiday break.) The article is hot off the press in that it appears in the Dec 25 and Jan 8, 2016 Sports Collectors Digests which are now out. I received several nice responses to the article from long-time collectors along with some additional background about the presumed scarcities. Former OBCer Dave Hornish and a few other OBCers including Mike Rich helped on the research for this. If you come across any 1953 Topps miscuts that would help solve the puzzle presented, I would appreciate getting a scan of them. George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 09:41:14 -0500 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Salada coins From: mikesportsfan@aol.com You would think with how close I am to completing the base set (down to 6) I would know the exact colors for the players and/or teams. Are the colorsthe same for entire teams (orange for Orioles, blue for Tigers, etc.)? I believe I have some coins in wrong color holders and should check and mayberequest a few of the plastic holders to put the paper insert into the correct color. Are any of the holders the 180 backs? I have not listed but have been building a 180 back set. I should list it as I am getting close to1/2 way (have 84 of 180). Would anyone ever think of cheating??? I need #2 Pierce shortprint in Salada, but have him in Shirriff. Swap the insert??? Actually all 6 I need in Salada for the base set I have in Shirriff. Damn ethics will not allow me to do such a sneaky thing - yet! Now if I bought a group of Shirriff, and a couple did not have the plastic discs, and were paper inserts only and they were of the ones I need in Salada, I likelyWOULD put them into a Salada holder. Does that make any sense? Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; OBC-Wantlist Sent: Mon, Dec 21, 2015 5:11 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Salada coins I made a silly purchase and it came today. Big bag of the 62 plastic coins without the paper inserts in them. Couldn't resist the thought of reunitingthese with the player inserts and who better to come across these that obcers. So if you all can put this in the back of your minds when you hit the shows if you find some cheap keep me in mind. Does anyone have any in theircollection send me the names and I can pull the right color for them. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 15:28:07 -0500 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Merry Christmas From: KEVINM38@aol.com To all my friends that celebrate Christmas As we all start to enjoy Family and Friends I just wanted to wish all of you and your families a Very Merry Christmas I wish everyone a Happy and Joyous time Merry Christmas!!! Kevin Martens ================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 21:22:46 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Kurt Tourdot From: Raymond Luurs Just in case you havent heard Kurt Tourdot suffered a stroke Monday. He is doing fine and is at home with the family. If you want to wish him well you can email him at k2doe@ yahoo.com or send him a card at Kurt Tourdot P. O. box 1055 Garner, North Carolina 27529 ================= Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 04:10:38 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: mark z goals review From: mark zentkovich goals for 2015 review: attended first national (although not listed as a goal), got to meet many great get grays down from 135 to within 25 high numbers (completed- thanks to allwho get 61 set up to #400 - completed, just past #500 now start a late 70s basketball set (started 2 sets 78-79 and 79-80) make unspecified progress to cardinals 1 card per player collection (completed) help other folks collections along the way Goals for 2016: Reduce 61 set from 60 to go to 40..those high numbers sure are expensive Get half way on 69 set Finish two 70s basketball sets Make it half way on football HOF collection (208 needed as of now) help other folks collections along the way thanks for reading....Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 00:08:59 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Secret Stan thanks From: Ken M Happy holidays and New Year everyone!  My Secret Stan package from Mark Zentkovich has been sitting here almost all months. I've been waiting (almost) patiently for it to turn to midnight, so I can end the interminable suspense that's been building up. In fact, I started this email before midnight to keep myself occupied for the last few minutes, so I'm not just staring at the clock waiting for it to change... OK, now I'm just staring at it - and Yes! :::ripping envelope:::  Nice! Mark provides an envelope of 7 Hostess hits, most from 1977 - which is the shortest list I have out ot the five sets. There's a pair from 1976 including a very young Robin Yount. THANKS MARK!! I hope this note finds you all well and surrounded by loved ones. Here's to a joyous 2016! TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 23:25:41 -0600 To: Kurt L Tourdot , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Santa is From: Raymond Luurs My OBC Santa is SHAWN SMART and my gift is a poster of the first annual celebrity Bert Blyleven softball game that will be :-) in 2002. I plan to take this to Twins Fest(if it isnt 30 below then as it it is held in Target Field and have him sign it. Also it took me longet to find out who Santa was but no name as i had an address so using the directory i carve through the alphabit to find him. Thanks Shawn. MY wife and Kurt Toudot knock some off the old obc list with 5-1956 white backs, 1-1959 gray back , 1-1962 Post Canadian football and 11-1963 post My daughter-in-law, grandson Mason and son got me a chicago bears which i am sure killing him to even acknowledge chicago is in NFL as a Detroit Lions fan. Thanks OBCers for the cards to make this a memorable Holiday ================= Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 00:48:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1964 # 262 - anyone collecting print variations? From: Ed Pike I have an odd print variation of 1964 #262 Cardinal rookie stars. Looks like certain colors were printed on center, while some are about 1/8 inch off center. For instance, the red and black printing for Shannon's uniform don't line up. If anyone has an interest in please lmk. I also have #44 and #317, no print variations just the usual OBC-grade cardboard free for the asking. Ed Pike ================= Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 05:09:33 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Secret Santa From: LAWRENCE TIPTON I=E2=99ve been looking at this envelope for a couple weeks now, and ripped it open first thing Christmas morning! My Secret Santa remains anonymous, the return address of Rogers City MI postmarked Grand Rapids MI. Just to many Michigan OBCers after a cross check of the Directory:) Inside a nice holiday greeting and some cards! Santa sent a 1960 Bell Brand Jim Gilliam, a set I remember as a kid growingup in Southern California. I haven=E2=99t had this set on my wantlist for very long. Next up a 1952 Red Man hit Warren Spahn with the tab attached. This is another =E2=9Calmost all OBC set=E2=9D, yet I=E2=99m closing in on all four sets:) This is a nice hit! Finally a three pack 1961 Golden Press Jimmy Foxx, Chief Bender, and Frankie Frisch. Nice hits Santa! Thank You Very Much! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year OBC! ================= To: Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 18:32:54 -0500 Subject: Not secret Santa but ... From: "Bob Donaldson" Big thanks to my wife Christine, who with the help of Mark Macrae, really blew me away 5 Kashin's including HOFer Goose Goslin 5 Fine Pens including Crosetti and Lefty Gomez. And finaly 8 Butterfingers including Rogers Hornsby and Babe Ruth (and the Babe is really nice!) I married well :) ================= Date: 25 Dec 2015 17:48:13 -0800 To: Subject: My wife kills again! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 04:20:21 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: thanks to Holiday Hack From: mark zentkovich Nick Pelletier sends a super package of 24 hits to 69 set including Belanger and 5 hi numbers thank you nick very much! mark zentkovich ================= Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 15:14:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: Happy Boxing Day! From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= To: , Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 07:48:30 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy Boxing Day! From: "Grant Rainsley" Well, traditionally, it is a British Commonwealth thing=E2=A6=E2=A6itfalls on the day after Christmas=E2=A6=E2=A6..which I think usually means on December 26th, but I=E2=99ll check my calendar to make sure it=E2=99s hitting the right date. This is supposed to be the day where Big-Wigs give gifts to their underlings, minions, little people, servants. Personally, I fit into most of those categories, but here it is 7:30 in the morning of the 26th, I just looked, and I fail to see any signs of a crowd lining up at my door bearing gifts. Probably, this tradition was the beginning of what we all now know as =E2=9Cre-gifting,=E2=9D whereby you unload crap you have been given and don=E2=99t want to some unsuspecting peon. (I admit that as a kid I thought it meant the big people just gave the empty boxes that held their gifts to the little people.) The variation come in thusly- in OBC parlance, Boxing Day is can actually occur ANY day of the year=E2=A6=E2=A6=E2=A6.it happens when you send a piece of cardboard bearing the likeness of an Ali, Forman, Louis, Schmeling, etc. to another OBCer. However, I am not sure if this is a true variation or not, since it doesn=E2=99t appear to have been recognized by Wikipedia, which we all know is deadly accurate. If it=E2=99s on the internet, it has to be, right? Happy Boxing Day OBC, and yer welcome. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 7:14 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy Boxing Day! I cannot really claim to know what that is, but I know it's a real thing for our Neighbors to the North! If Grant explains it, we will either understand it better as a group or there will be some variation of it. In true ramblings fashion, I did see a gent at our tiny Portland card show last week who collects and sells old boxing cards. He had some nice condition 1939 Catledge RAzor cards featuring some big names like John L and Big Jim ( Sullivan and Corbett), and a host of others. Prices seem low, but maybe commensurate with the sport? Next show is Jan23, get in touch with me if you want to see them or have mepick though your Boxing WL. Happy Boxing Day! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= Date: 26 Dec 2015 12:08:28 -0800 To: Subject: Some post-Christmas waivers, vintage and UV From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 14:16:42 -0800 To: "directorth@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My wife kills again! From: Stamper Much like Tom and Bob, my wife has put a set to rest. Last Christmas she got me some of the bigger remaining names in the 63 Fleer set, my Birth year.Koufax and Clemente come to mind. That left around 8 to go. This Christmas with 5 remaining she knocked them all off. Cepeda, Spahn and Gibson were the big players remaining. I had her help me put them in the binder. It's such a blessing having an awesome wife! Thank you Karyn. Many OBCers contributed to this set. With my Santa Hack five sets were completed Thank you all. John Stamper On Dec 25, 2015, at 5:48 PM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Sound like Bob Donaldson's wife has been taking classes with my wife :-) > In what has become a Christmas tradition, my wife Cherie has iced anotherset with a tough card. Here's her track record: > Christmas 2006: killed the 1956 Topps set with the Mantle; > Christmas 2007: killed the 1962 set with the Mantle (and a very nice upgrade to the Maris); > Christmas 2011: killed the 1960 set with - you guessed it - the Mantle; > Christmas 2011 (yes a twofer!): killed the '55 Bowman with the Mantle; > Christmas 2013: killed the 1964 set with the Clemente; > And - drum-roll please: today she killed the 1957 Topps set with the Brooks Robinson rookie!. > Tom Housley ================= Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 01:05:24 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: new vintage price guide book From: mark zentkovich my wife bought me a new Beckett Vintage Almanac book. I like the idea of vintage 4 sports in one book the font is much bigger thank the regular magazines as well if anyone has seen this and considered, I definitely recommend.. mark zentkovich ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 14:13:52 +0000 Subject: Set Completion From: Mac Wubben The final P2 Pin (Marquard) arrived today, putting that set to bed after a little over 6 years working on it. Not a hugely popular set, so OBC hits were limited, but these OBC'ers helped along the way: Mead, Cook, Welk, Prickett Thanks for letting me share the news. ================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 00:46:12 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: 2015 Recap and 2016 Collecting Goals From: Mike Mackie Hi everyone As we wind down 2015, I just want to recap the year and put out my collecting goals for 2016 2015 recap - all in all I did a pretty good job of knocking off some key goals1) Reduce Topps/Bowman run (1948-1993) to 625. RESULT: Reduced from 830 to 590. 2a) Set completion success: 1955 Bowman, 1962 Topps, 1973-74 Hoops, 1975 Football, 1974 Fleer Pioneers of Baseball, 1975 and 1976 Wonder Bread, 1977 Hostess2b) Sets not completed: 1954 Bowman (still need Mantle), 1958 Topps (still need Mantle and Koufax) 3) Increase "have" list of 1951 and 1952 Bowman to 200 and 150. Result: Just missed 1951 (192), achieved 1952 (172) 4) Cut 1953 Topps wantlist in half (from 54 to 27). Result: Notquite, reduced to 34 5) Cut 1939 Playball wantlist from 22 to 15. Result: Reduced to14 6) Reduce 1972-73 Topps basketball list from 80 to 5. Result: Reduced to 19. 7) Continue to send out RAOK. 2016 goals 1) Topps / Bowman: Working backwards from goals 2-4, I'd like to knock my "run" list down to about 400 from 590. My Topps lists is at 183 with about half of those being 1952 high numbers and half of the remainder being the 1951 Topps Blue (I have 7 of 52). 2) Set completion goals. Complete as many of the following as possible: 1951 Topps Red back (need 9), 1954 Bowman (need 1), 1956 Flags of the World (need 74 of 80), 1958 Topps (need 2), 1961 Fleer (need 13), 1972-73 Basketball (need 19), 1974 Topps Football (need 350 of 528), 1974 WonderBread (need 4), 1976 Hostess (need 4) 3) Bowman set progress; Reduce wantlist from 145 to 100 (for '49), from 132 to 75 (for '51), from 80 to 50 (for '52), and reaching the halfway point of 53 B&W, from 49 to 32. 4) 1953 Topps: Cut wantlist in half from 34 to 17. 5) 1939 Play Ball: Reduce to single digits, 14 to 9 (or fewer if opportunities 6) Increase RAOK and offer some waiver opportunities Happy New Year everyone! Mike MackieOBC ================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:22:02 -0600 To: "" Subject: New Year's Goals and 2015 Progress From: john harrell This has been a somewhat slow year for cards as antique bats and stamps compete for cash. Still I managed to make some progress on several sets. My most notable feat was completing the 65 Topps set. In addition I reduced the R312 set needs from 6 to 1 card (Vaughn/Wagner), the Batter Up set to 8 (from 16), and the T205 set to 3 (from 5). Post war I got the 53 Bowman set down to 7 and the 60 Topps down to 26. For 2016 my goals will be rather modest, partly because I've reached the point prewar where almost every set has reached the very difficult stage. My first goal is to knock off the Vaughn/Wagner card to finish the R312 set, followed by getting 4 of the final 8 Batter Up cards and maybe lucking on at least 1 of the 2 remaining WWG english only backs 73 and 78. I also need 3 for the Sport Kings set but they are likely out of the budget this year. Post war I hope to get down to around 800 on the 52-80 Topps run and the same on the Bowman run. It's always fun to set goals and then see where you are at the end of the year and to see where everyone else is. As always, have an error-free season. ================= Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:09:12 -0500 To: obcmac@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Congratulations on completing another tough prewar set. Amazing how many you have knocked off. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Dec 28, 2015 9:13 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion The final P2 Pin (Marquard) arrived today, putting that set to bed after a little over 6 years working on it. Not a hugely popular set, so OBC hits were limited, but these OBC'ers helped along the way: Mead, Cook, Welk, Prickett Thanks for letting me share the news. ================= To: Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 23:09:28 -0500 Subject: 2015 Year In Cards and targets for 2016 From: "Matt Yudt" What a year! After years of having specific objectives, with year-by-year wish hits for the topps-run sets, I greatly expanded my collection the past two years, especially in 2015. My only stated objective for 2015 was to "Get as many pre-1980 cards I do not already have for as little money as possible". I wrote a few specifics within that, one being to top 18,500 vintage baseball cards in my collection. At the start of the year I had about 16,136 across 90 sets. I now have 20,921 as of today across 154 sets! - This was an addition of nearly 4800 cards! Not too shabby What where the 4800 cards I added this year? - Over 500 added to Topps run - Post/Jello maybe 200 added in 2015 - Kellogs about 100 - SSPC > 750 - TCMA - 27 sets and almost 1500 cards - was really into this for a few months of the year! - OPC close to 600 - Hostess > 200 - Various topps inserts and smaller sets (mini's too) > 600 - Miscellaneous vintage collector issues and reprints (non-TCMA) > 100 - Pre-war - perhaps 10-15 - Fleer, Leaf, Bowman make the bulk of the rest (about 300). 2016 collecting goals There is no way I add over 4000 cards this year with out spending a lot lot more than I did in 2015, which was already pretty high. I will target 2100 new vintage cards for 2016 (getting me over 23,000 in the collection): Preferred breakdown as follows: - 350 to the topps run, (currently at 1431 needed for the run! - could I get it under 1K this year?? - 600 bowmans. I think I have about 18% of the run - so this should be doable with some effort - 600 OPC. Bought in bulk, this should be easy - leaves close to 500 more for all the additional oddball, food issue, small sets etc. Should be very do-able. Also would like to double my pre-war collection to maybe 50 cards this year and at least start getting more familiar with pre-war sets, prices and searching for good deals. I'll get there eventually. Still a lot of low-hanging fruit in the post-war era to keep me Thanks for reading - always fun to share these and read about others accomplishments and new years collecting objectives. And thank you all of OBC. February will be 5 years since I joined and it has been an incredible ride and I can't imagine what the next 5 will bring. Matt Yudt ================= Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 02:12:03 -0500 To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Playoff Pool - Only 11 days left to enter From: smartalecx@aol.com Content-Language: en Once again, I am going to be running an NFL playoff pool for all those interested. It is a very fun format where you always have one player active from each team in each game. We have had over a dozen participants for several years, and with close to that number already saying they will participate, we hope to exceed that total this year. PLEASE LET ME KNOW IFYOU INTERESTED IN PLAYING. If you have already responded, please submit your entry fee. For those who have never played fantasy football, this may seem a bit complicated. But once you read how to pick a team, you will see it isn't all that tough. And if your home town or other favorite team is out of it, it at least keeps the playoffs interesting! The entry fee is $1 to cover postage for sending the winners their prizes plus a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or UV showing a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. The should be sent via Paypal Friends and Family no later than January 8 to _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) . Your card prize must be postmarked no later than Friday, January 8, 2016 and mailed to me at the address The playoff schedule won't be finalized until January 3, but if the playoffs were to start this weekend, the lineup would look like this: AFC Week 1: 6 Jets at 3 Bengals, 5 Chiefs at 4 Texans, 1 Patriots and 2 Bengals BYE (Steelers still in the hunt) AFC Week 2: 1 Patriots at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Broncos at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Seahawks at 3 Packers, 5 Vikings at 4 Redskins, 1 Panthers and 2 Cardinals BYE NFC Week 2: 1 Panthers at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Cardinals at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 9-10 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. These rankings are only used as a tiebreaker between prize winners if necessary. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 9 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Please remember that your $1 entry fee must be received via Paypal by January 8 and your prize card must be postmarked and mailed to me no later than January 8. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, 2 points for a completed passing 2 point conversion, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, 2 points for a completed rushing or receiving 2 point conversion, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: <31 yards @ 3 points, >30yards @ 0.1 points per yard. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PAT 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -1 point There are NO points awarded for a Defensive score on a failed field goal, PAT or 2 point conversions or for any kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight teams. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking from each entry. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. (with such a high number of entries last year, the top four finishers received a prize) I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Sunday night, but in any case, Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, PLEASE LET ME KNOW IF YOU ARE GOING TO PARTICIPATE. Your entry fee must be paid via PayPal Friends and Family, and your prize card must be postmarked no later than 11:59 PM on Friday, January 8, and your picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 3 at 10 AM CST. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy Holiday season to you and your Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: 29 Dec 2015 09:17:55 -0800 To: Subject: Its a long shot but...does anyone still need 79 Topps baseball> From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 29 Dec 2015 17:07:01 -0800 To: Subject: Counterfeits! From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 22:42:09 -0500 Subject: yahoo link - hilarious old bb cards From: "Matt Yudt" Just saw this - one of those yahoo links that often crashes my browser with all the adds and stuff, but it is pretty funny. Would agree with the Mossi and maybe the Gamble, but I'm sure we could come up with a lot more! Many aren't really 'old' either.. http://www.thepostgame.com/blog/list/201208/hilarious-old-baseball-cards?utm Who wants it? Address please! :). And tell me your favorite team or player! I just got the new 2015 version in the mail thanks to a gift card to Barnes& Nobles from my wife! I've got a football one on the way soon, too, so finally I'll have a clue about football cards! LOL The 2011 version that you'll be getting is in very nice shape. I used it alot, but I try my best to take care of my books. One thing that I do NOT like about it though, is that it goes in complete alphabetical order....which is fine except that the inserts sets are all jumbled because of it. You'll see what I mean if you get this. They've fixed it for 2015. Thanks, OBC! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 30 Dec 2015 11:31:21 -0800 To: Subject: baseball card shop From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:24:28 -0500 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! From: ShoelessWes It's alarming to see so many low grade fakes out there. Some dealers don't necessarily care if someone thinks their mantles are repops. I know what you mean about the manual altering of a fake. You just cant duplicate time. Time is the one thing man has failed to manipulate. You cant damage a card on purpose, it just doesnt look right. Ask my daughter, she's 1. With 87 topps commons, she can make light work of them during a tea party. When she's done, its obvious to tell the difference between sustained flaws over the course of 50 minutes versus 50 years. Sounds like your guy in Charleston is an ass. I think we need to be careful with "off grade" stars... I get really irritated that there is a flood of "beat up" HOFers on ebay lately. Ebay sellers post "I'm selling this as a re-print" ..... As if its some minor technicality or something. Its fraud, and it hurts our hobby. You know the fakes are circulating, because they sell for a pretty penny online, "old looking" hofcards from the 50s or 60s. I been ripped off before, and it's not a good feeling. For as many of us OBCers, who take pride in ungraded examples, I think we should revisit this issue of counterfeit cardboard. With as many new members coming on the last year or two, some of us may not be completely aware on what-when-where-how to spot fakes in our market. I would also surely appreciate any material or documented information on this topic. If any veteran members can weigh in with experience or tips if tricks in detecting fakes or reprints ( i know they have different definitions)... Please do! Good topic Aaron, it sounds like you went about it appropriately. Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 29, 2015, at 8:07 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called CharlestonGold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in CharlestonSC. > The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kid had his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. > But in ten seconds, I noticed: > - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. > - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbook examples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes are experts on beat up cards! > - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of ToppsVenezuelans. So I turned them over. > - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. > So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I think these are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the card backs were ever really shiny. > His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since before you were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, butI thought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaining anything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, and it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at that point, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else,I didn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. > I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. > What would you have done in this situation? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:03:49 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! From: richard dingman One thing I would like to see at the next National when we get together, perhaps at the swap night, is to have a session where we share techniques for detecting counterfeit or altered / doctored cards and telling them from the real thing. I'm sure there are several of us who could provide examples, insight and technical tricks. It could be a fun workshop. Richard D CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: uthminsta@hotmail.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:24:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! It's alarming to see so many low grade fakes out there. Some dealers don't necessarily care if someone thinks their mantles are repops. I know what you mean about the manual altering of a fake. You just cant duplicate time. Time is the one thing man has failed to manipulate. You cant damage a card on purpose, it just doesnt look right. Ask my daughter, she's 1. With 87 topps commons, she can make light work of them during a tea party. When she's done, its obvious to tell the difference between sustained flaws over the course of 50 minutes versus 50 years. Sounds like your guy in Charleston is an ass. I think we need to be careful with "off grade" stars... I get really irritated that there is a flood of "beat up" HOFers on ebay lately. Ebay sellers post "I'm selling this as a re-print" ..... As if its some minor technicality or something. Its fraud, and it hurts our hobby. You know the fakes are circulating, because they sell for a pretty penny online, "old looking" hofcards from the 50s or 60s. I been ripped off before, and it's not a good feeling. For as many of us OBCers, who take pride in ungraded examples, I think we should revisit this issue of counterfeit cardboard. With as many new members coming on the last year or two, some of us may not be completely aware on what-when-where-how to spot fakes in our market. I would also surely appreciate any material or documented information on this topic. If any veteran members can weigh in with experience or tips if tricks in detecting fakes or reprints ( i know they have different definitions)... Please do! Good topic Aaron, it sounds like you went about it appropriately. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2015, at 8:07 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called Charleston Gold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in Charleston The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kidhad his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. But in ten seconds, I noticed: - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbookexamples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes are experts on beat up cards! - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of Topps Venezuelans. So I turned them over. - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I thinkthese are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the cardbacks were ever really shiny. His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since beforeyou were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, but Ithought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaininganything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, and it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at thatpoint, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else, Ididn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. What would you have done in this situation? ================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:00:32 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! From: Mark Macrae The idea for furthering the knowledge on existing counterfeits in great, provided it is done in a private forum. Venues like Net54 or Collectors Universe do as much, or more damage, as the crooks who monitor these sites, are continually educated on how to improve their techniques. Keep in mind that counterfeiting baseball cards is nothing new. The earliest counterfeits were created and circulated more than 40 years ago. Occasionally those early counterfeits will surface in a longtime collection. They have infiltrated many collections, and as recently as this fall, I bought at auction, a group which contained some professionally graded Zeenuts. As is typical policy for me, the cards are unceremoniously removed from the slab and re-evaluated.One of the Zeenuts was a counterfeit. I contacted a representative (that Ipreviously knew) of that grading company and brought it to their attention. This particular batch of counterfeit Zeenuts were originally distributed in 1971 and 1972, clearly two decades before professional grading existed, and probably three decades before most of the professional graders were born. While looking at the card 'in the slab' nothing appeared to be wrong with it. The point was not to request a refund, but just to let the company know that these counterfeits exist and what to look for on that particular print Creating counterfeits in any era, particularly before the mid 1980's poses challenges to the crook. Paper and inks never match up. In more recent times, virtually every household has a scanner, and antique shops, library sales, estate sales and flea markets provide ample supplies of vintage paper toexperiment with. The technology changes all the time and the skills of thecounterfeited are rewarded more these days than they were 40 years ago when Charlie Brooks printed up his Goudeys What should be held on equal balance to this is getting to know the quirks of the card sets that you collect, and more important, deal with people whohave experience in that area. Fortunately within OBC there is a good knowledge base and almost everyone is familiar with the feel, smell, texture of paper, boldness and color contrast of vintage vs modern. The collector who blindly buys something that has been evaluated by some nameless, faceless individual, then slabbed is adding to a greater ignorance, rather than understanding, of what he collects. This would be a great topic at a get together during the annual National convention On Wed, 12/30/15, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wednesday, December 30, 2015, 1:03 PM One thing I would like to see at the next National when we get together, perhaps at the swap night, is to have a session where we share techniques for detecting counterfeit or altered / doctored cards and telling them from the real thing. I'm sure there are several of us who could provide examples, insight and technical tricks. It could be a fun workshop. Richard D Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:24:28 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! It's alarming to see so many low grade fakes out there. Some dealers don't necessarily care if someone thinks their mantles are repops. I know what you mean about the manual altering of a fake. You just cant duplicate time. Time is the one thing man has failed to manipulate. You cant damage a card on purpose, it just doesnt look right. Ask my daughter, she's 1. With 87 topps commons, she can make light work of them during a tea party. When she's done, its obvious to tell the difference between sustained flaws over the course of 50 minutes versus 50 years. Sounds like your guy in Charleston is an ass. I think we need to be careful with "off grade" stars... I get really irritated that there is a flood of "beat up" HOFers on ebay lately. Ebay sellers post "I'm selling this as a re-print" ..... As if its some minor technicality or something. Its fraud, and it hurts our hobby. You know the fakes are circulating, because they sell for a pretty penny online, "old looking" hof cards from the 50s or I been ripped off before, and it's not a good feeling. For as many of us OBCers, who take pride in ungraded examples, I think we should revisit this issue of counterfeit cardboard. With as many new members coming on the last year or two, some of us may not be completely aware on what-when-where-how to spot fakes in our market. would also surely appreciate any material or documented information on this topic. If any veteran members can weigh in with experience or tips if tricks in detecting fakes or reprints ( i know they have different definitions)... Please Good topic Aaron, it sounds like you went about it Sent from my On Dec 29, 2015, at 8:07 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called Charleston Gold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in Charleston SC. The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kid had his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. But in ten seconds, I noticed: - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbook examples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes are experts on beat up cards! - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of Topps Venezuelans. So I turned them over. - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I think these are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the card backs were ever really shiny. His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since before you were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, but I thought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaining anything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, and it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at that point, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else, I didn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. 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From: Taylor Schock I probably would have done the same thing, and definitely would have done so if it was something I would have been interested in buying (assuming it wasn't counterfeit). It's a lot easier pointing these things out there if there is something to compare it too. Still at times, that doesn't help. I believe I've mentioned before about an auction where they had about 20 T206 cards. There were 3 or 4 legitimate ones but most were reprints. I pointed out the differences to the owner with a 6x magnifier too (who still soldthem as "you're bidding on what you see") and a couple of buyers as well. One guy's attitude was that he would take a chance on them. I will still goto auctions by this company, but will be a little more leery on items I can't personally verify. Contrast that with another local auction house who asked my opinion on an framed N2 set, which I said I thought them to be reprints (and laid out my reasons), and that if I were bidding on them I would bid on them as such. The owner thought the same thing but wanted to get another opinion before offering them up as "we believe these to be reprints". One thing I would advise for something like the National (or going some place where you KNOW there will be cards), is to bring a couple of commons as examples to compare with. Sometimes they can just be similar cards. As in the N2s above, I could use a couple of those as examples to compare to otherAllen&Ginter issues from the same time frame as the card stock and printing will be VERY similar. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:07 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called Charleston Gold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in Charleston SC. The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kidhad his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. But in ten seconds, I noticed: - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbookexamples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes are experts on beat up cards! - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of Topps Venezuelans. So I turned them over. - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I thinkthese are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the cardbacks were ever really shiny. His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since beforeyou were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, but Ithought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaininganything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, and it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at thatpoint, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else, Ididn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. What would you have done in this situation? ================= Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:18:43 -0500 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! From: biggies@aol.com Content-Language: en Sad we've come to such a time. In a message dated 12/30/2015 8:03:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I probably would have done the same thing, and definitely would have done so if it was something I would have been interested in buying (assuming it wasn't counterfeit). It's a lot easier pointing these things out there if there is something to compare it too. Still at times, that doesn't help. I believe I've mentioned before about an auction where they had about 20 T206 cards. There were 3 or 4 legitimate ones but most were reprints. I pointed out the differences to the owner with a 6x magnifier too (who still sold them as "you're bidding on what you see") and a couple of buyers as well. One guy's attitude was that he would take a chance on them. I will still go to auctions by this company, but will be a little more leery on items I can't personally verify. Contrast that with another local auction house who asked my opinion on an framed N2 set, which I said I thought them to be reprints (and laid out my reasons), and that if I were bidding on them I would bid on them as such. The owner thought the same thing but wanted to get another opinion before offering them up as "we believe these to be reprints". One thing I would advise for something like the National (or going some place where you KNOW there will be cards), is to bring a couple of commons as examples to compare with. Sometimes they can just be similar cards. As in the N2s above, I could use a couple of those as examples to compare to other Allen&Ginter issues from the same time frame as the card stock and printing will be VERY similar. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:07 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called Charleston Gold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in Charleston The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kid had his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. But in ten seconds, I noticed: - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbook examples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes experts on beat up cards! - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of Topps Venezuelans. So I turned them over. - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I think these are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the card backs were ever really shiny. His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since before you were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, but I thought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaining anything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at that point, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else, I didn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. What would you have done in this situation? ================= Date: 30 Dec 2015 18:54:59 -0800 To: Subject: Pre-War Waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 03:45:52 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: year ahead and year in review. From: nick pelletier What a great year in OBC. I made it to the national which was a greattime. I achieved seven of my nine goals with the help of OBC. 1. Stay on budget. (Well, ummmmm, I am sure I spent too much but not as much as I could have.) 2. Send out more RAOK's (this is probably a fail. I really dont have a way to measure. I still have a dupes box so I probably didnt send out 3. Attend the National Chicago 2015! DONE! (measureable goal....yes I was there. 4. Hit 1933 Goudey 23 times. get to 80 % of the set. BLASTED! (Anybody who was with me at the national saw this go by the wayside. enough good deals on HOFers took this set past 80% to 98%. This set became amajor focus in 15.SUCCESS!)5. Finish 1965 Topps Embossed DONE! Sal Domino/Lynn Miller kill it (two obcers killed this set 16 hours apart.SUCCESS!) 6. Finish 1976-77 Topps basketball (38 to go) DONE! Mike Rich Kills it (Mike Rich killed this set SUCCESS!)7. Complete 1975 topps Football (311 to go)DONE! Mike Rich Kills it (This is not a case of over copy/paste Mike Rich killed this set SUCCESS!)8. Complete 1976 Topps Football (c. 326 to go) DONE! (Bob Donaldson killed this set SUCCESS!)9. Complete 1970 Topps Hockey (3 to go) DONE! Wes Shepard Kills it (Wes Shepard killed this setSUCCESS!) 2015 was the year of the Goudeys! I dont think I am going to hit thatset at all in 2016. With all of the goals achieved in 2015 Ive decided to add more goals for 2016. I do need to do a better job of measuring some of them. So here goes nothing. 1) send out more RAOK's. 2) Stay on budget! 3) Go to the national. I wonder if I can do this without going to AC? 4) Cut my 1954 bowman wantlist in half from 63. (32 to go) 5) Cut my 1955 Bowman wantlist in half from 65.(33 to go) 6) cut my 1968 topps hockey wantlist in half (35 to go) 7) finish 1973 OPC hockey, three to go. (3 to go) 8) Knock off half of my 1972 OPC hockey list from 196. (83 to go) 9) Finish 1972 Topps football low numbers. (6 to go) 10) Finish 1955 Topps All Americans (2 to go) 11) Finish 1970-71 Topps basketball. (15 to go) 12) Finish 1971-72 Topps basketball. (10 to go) 13) Finish 1972-73 Topps basketball. (3 to go) 14) Finish 1975-76 Topps basketball. (11 to go) 15) Combine the previous four goals and complete 69-80 Topps basketball (39to 16) Add twenty hits to my 1909 T51 Murad set. (20 to go) 17) Achieve 35,000 Vintage cards and Charles Bray Level. (928 to go) 18) Cut my OPC hickey wantlist in half 348 to 174. (174 to go) 19) Not complete all goals before the end of the national. 20) Miss on at least one goal. Hopefully This keeps me on a better target and clearer path. I guess we will find out in 365 days of so. Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com ================= To: , Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 23:59:26 -0500 Subject: New Years Waivers From: "Matt Yudt" My adventures outside the world of topps main issues has led to a number of dupes I would like to pass along. Please include your address and I will try and hit as many responders as I can. Happy New Year!! Matt Yudt 1939 Play Ball #105 McNair. Significant paper loss on back. Number written in top corner 1977 OPC #69, Mickey Rivers 1971 OPC #'s 24, 27, 65, 152 1973 OPC blue team checklists - Tigers, Red Sox 1964 Topps Coins: 144 (taylor), 147 (Groat), 158 (Maloney) 1967 Topps Pinup - #32 McCovey (tape on top and bottom) 1970 Topps Story Books - 3, 12, 16 1960 Leaf - 4, 34, 51 1961 Post #64 Tito Francona 1962 Post #49 Aparicio 1963 Fleer #16 51- #42 (scuffy) 54 - 111 & 127 55 - 2, 3, 41, 190, 224, 297, 299 ================= To: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 08:45:23 -0500 Subject: Year end and 2016 goals From: "Bob Donaldson" I've never set goals at the beginning of a year, but thought I'd give it a try this year. In 2015 For my #1 priority, the E121 (series of 80 or 120), I've gone from needing 53 to needing 32, but they are mostly toughies! I added the following sets: 1934 Butterfinger, M101-4 I moved the 57 Topps from "I Have "to "I need" 2016 Goals Move the E121 wantlist down from 32 to 20 Add 15 M101-4's Add 10 more Butterfingers (wantlist is now 26) Get my 1957 wantlist under 150 (currently 187) Cut my 1967 wantlist from 37 down to 25 Increase my RAOK Attend the National Get started on the 1935 Goudey set Add a new set (TBD) Pretty modest, let's see how I do! Bob Donaldson ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:39:11 +0000 Subject: Collecting goals, past and future From: Taylor Schock How did I do on my 2015 Collecting Goals? A ) Finish the following sets: i) 2 Topps baseball sets (which will be a challenge considering they would be out of 1952 (HA!), 1953 (ha!), 1956, 1961, 1963, 1967) - 50% since I completed the 1956 set. ii ) Topps football (1969 misc, 1970 Glossy, 1974-1976) - about 50%, completed '75 and '76 (sans upgrade), and made good progress on the others. iii ) N2 American Indian Chiefs (down to the final 3!) - Yes! Thanks to Steve "Birddog" Rittenberg at the 2014 National. B ) Reduce the want lists on the following sets: i ) T205 - knock off another 20 cards. - Yes. Did I REALLY pick up 56 of these in 2015? Probably, as I only have 40 more left (though I will probably never complete this thing unless I don't count some of the rare variations) ii ) Yuenglings - knock off another 8 cards. - Not even close. These are TOUGH! iii ) Non-sports (fill more holes than I create from adding additional sets) - Probably a wash. C ) Move out even more cards. - Yes. I cleared out at least 10,000 cards since I have 3 more empty monster boxes. D ) 2015 National (and as many shows as possible in-between). The timing for the National might be a bit tricky this year, but we'll see soon enough -Yes! My 3rd grandchild (or 4th, depending on how you count them) arrived on August 9. And I know I hit more shows this past year than prior ones. E ) Meet more great traders, re-acquaint with those I've met, and have evenmore fun. Yes, yes, and yes (again)! On to my 2016 Collecting Goals (in no particular order). Acquire 20 of the last 40 T205s. Pick up 8 more Yuenglings. Of the roughly 150 cards left that I need from the 1952-1969 Topps run (notcounting the 1952 Hi numbers), pick up 50 cards. Find an N172 Taylor Shafer card (hahahahaha... yeah right). Complete 4 of the 8 remaining '70s Kelloggs. Compete 1 of the 4 Red Man. Complete all the 1968-1976 Topps FB sets I'm currently working on. Finish 20 non-sports sets, any year. With many from the 1990s and up, this should be a lot easier than it really is, but it requires focus. Attend the 2016 National. - 1/3 complete as Kathy and I already have a place secured in Brigantine for a week. Meet up with more traders at shows. Send out as much stuff as possible. http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html ================= Date: 31 Dec 2015 10:26:24 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Kurt Tourdot From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 17:07:25 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 1971 Topps Football Game insert set --- anyone collect these? From: Doug DeJong I picked up a bunch of these at a show not too long ago and decided to start the set. Apparently I had done this once before because I found I had a fair number already in a box of miscellany. I am short ten to finish them off, and I have a fair number of dupes. So listed below are those I need and those I have available as dupes for others who may be working on this insert set. Doug DeJong Need -- 9 12 16 27 29 37 40 43 47 49 Dupes -- 1 2 6 8 11 14 15 17 21 23 24 25 28 32 33 34 39 41 42 45 46 51 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 18:12:36 -0600 Subject: Malzone From: Yaz Don't care about the stats. IMHO, Wade Boggs became the greatest /living /Red Sox third baseman on Tuesday, December 29, 2015. Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 20:07:47 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! From: Joshua Levine Over the years, I have often run into dealers (even some nationally known dealers), stores, and people who had reprints. Most often I chalk it up to they did not know any better EXCEPT when it is a baseball card store owner or a dealer at a show. I expect a level of professionalism when it comes tothat and if you are putting something in your case to sell as real, it better damn well be. If you are not sure, you better find out. I hate people (which is why ebay is such a joke these days) that say "I got this in a collection or estate and am just not sure, it might be real so bid/buy accordingly." That is lazy at best and plain ethically wrong/illegal at worst. The best dealers I have ever dealt with, have asked for opinions on things BEFORE they tried to sell it (whether as a reprint or real). There are a few dealers who I trust just for this reason. I actually have a list of dealers who specialize in certain things that I might come across and want a second opinion (i.e. Mark for anything PCL...hi Mark!). If a store owner is not sure, it should not be for sale. There are stores and dealers I no longer deal with because of the lack of professionalism. Learn how to swallow your ego and ask for help. The best dealers in the country ask for help. -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; uthminsta Sent: Wed, Dec 30, 2015 5:03 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! I probably would have done the same thing, and definitely would have done so if it was something I would have been interested in buying (assuming it wasn't counterfeit). It's a lot easier pointing these things out there if there is something to compare it too. Still at times, that doesn't help. I believe I've mentioned before about an auction where they had about 20 T206 cards. There were 3 or 4 legitimate ones but most were reprints. I pointed out the differences to the owner with a 6x magnifier too (who still soldthem as "you're bidding on what you see") and a couple of buyers as well. One guy's attitude was that he would take a chance on them. I will still goto auctions by this company, but will be a little more leery on items I can't personally verify. Contrast that with another local auction house who asked my opinion on an framed N2 set, which I said I thought them to be reprints (and laid out my reasons), and that if I were bidding on them I would bid on them as such. The owner thought the same thing but wanted to get another opinion before offering them up as "we believe these to be reprints". One thing I would advise for something like the National (or going some place where you KNOW there will be cards), is to bring a couple of commons as examples to compare with. Sometimes they can just be similar cards. As in the N2s above, I could use a couple of those as examples to compare to otherAllen&Ginter issues from the same time frame as the card stock and printing will be VERY similar. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:07 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called Charleston Gold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in Charleston SC. The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kidhad his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. But in ten seconds, I noticed: - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbookexamples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes are experts on beat up cards! - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of Topps Venezuelans. So I turned them over. - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I thinkthese are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the cardbacks were ever really shiny. His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since beforeyou were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, but Ithought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaininganything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, and it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at thatpoint, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else, Ididn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. What would you have done in this situation? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2016 01:18:07 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! From: Mac Wubben I think I've only said something once...and I got almost the same response...I've been looking at cards since before you were born. That may be,but the card is still a fake...hand it back and walk away. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 8:07:01 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Counterfeits! Oh wow. I just spotted a fake 64 and 65 Mantle. A place called Charleston Gold, Silver, and Collectibles, located on Ashley River Road in Charleston SC. The guy had some "pretty display" stuff, lot of autos and plaques and what not. But I quickly noticed two solo cards in one of the cases: 64 and 65 Mantles. Next to that a small stack of 80's junk with a 66 Mantle on top. Hmm... So I asked if I could see them. They were obviously beat up, like a kidhad his favorite player in his pocket. OBC gems. But in ten seconds, I noticed: - the pictures were not as clear as they should be. - they weren't beat up "correctly." Hard to explain, but they were textbookexamples of "artificially distressed" cards. Good try, but my eyes are experts on beat up cards! - the front borders were a little too dark. Almost like the look of Topps Venezuelans. So I turned them over. - the backs, especially on the 64, were too... shiny. So what would you do in that moment? Well, right or wrong, I said, "I thinkthese are counterfeit." I showed him the 64 and explained how the reverse was too shiny for a card in that condition. In fact, I don't think the cardbacks were ever really shiny. His immediate reaction was "Well, I've been working with cards since beforeyou were born." Not in a rude way at all, but that seems like a weird thing to say. So I said, "I'm sorry, I don't mean to belittle your stuff, but Ithought you would like to know." I know for sure I would like to know that. At that instant I felt both the satisfaction of knowing with absolute certainty I was right, and the complete futility and disinterest in explaininganything further to him. I went ahead and asked to see the 66 Mantle, and it did actually seem real. But there were too many flags in my mind at thatpoint, obviously. So when he asked if I was interested in anything else, Ididn't say what I wanted to say. I politely said no thank you, and left. I told my wife later how it was really bugging me. I wanted to go back later and see if he left the cards out. Not sure when or if anyone comes to Charleston or not, but consider this my caveat emptor. What would you have done in this situation? ================= Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:35:40 -0500 To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: I am behind From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, Between the Holidays, Having some off days(health-wise), Rehab and the kindness of many, I am way behind in saying THANK YOU. I have these packages waiting to be opened Stacy Betcher Paul Pavey Jerry Robertson Bryon Hicks Michelle Biggs Kelly Glazner Pat Looney Tim Smith Edward Lohr Gary Mandell Mike Kelemen Karen Chumsae I am very sorry for my delay Also, I like to Thank Everyone , as most of you know I had a stroke, I am doing well, my left side is about 70 percent back which is great as I am lefty ( I am becoming righty). It is taking me a little longer to do most things I use to do without thinking about it, but I am blessed to be here still and to have some time off (I was working 60, sometimes 70 hours a week) so in a way, it made me realize what is important in life and also to enjoy it more. Every day is a good day. So with that, Thank you all for your prayers and all the cards ( they helped me get my mind, and left hand working again), You guys are the best!! Happy New Year to all, May it be your best one yet!! Kevin Martens ================= To: Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 22:04:42 -0800 Subject: Goals for 2016 From: "George Vrechek" These New Year's Resolutions for collecting give us some goals to describe while mesmerizing our fellow collectors. My goal in 2015 was to gradually progress from 39,500 to 53,500 vintage sports card singles. I picked up 1,677 cards in 2015 consisting of 417 OPChee baseball, 270 hockey, and about 1,000 regular baseball, football, and basketball cards. For 2016 my goals are 823 cards consisting of 386 OPChees, 132 hockey, and 305 regular baseball, football, and basketball cards. If I do better, that will be great. Happy New Year and thanks for the help in collecting each and every year. George Vrechek