================= Date: 01 Nov 2015 09:09:26 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to OBC-Ramblings From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the OBC-Ramblings File : /_OBC Master list Rev NOV 2015.doc Uploaded by : tomhousley_2000 Description : An in-progress, far-from-perfect attempt to create a master list of everyone who has been a member of OBC. If you have revisions, please send them to Tom Housley. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/files/_OBC%20Master%20list%20Rev%20NOV%202015.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=content&y=PROD_GRPS&locale=en_US&id=SLN15398 tomhousley_2000 ================= Date: 01 Nov 2015 09:17:38 -0800 To: Subject: Dealer Sean Bassik From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:21:26 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: Tim newcomb Having observed his frequent posts on Net54, I do think Sean is an honest broker but I definitely agree that he doesn't have the temperament or peopleskills to be a good OBC Certified Dealer. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 09:17:38 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: Tom,I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone acrossthe country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not careto search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think thatis a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influenceI am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism Sean BassikOwnerInvest In Baseball>> Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly, his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't need someone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claims he will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy from him at your own discretion. ================= Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 12:31:43 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: sunday waver wire From: Robert Fitts Some freebies for you all. please send along your mailing address 1950 B 78, 206 225 1951 B 111 simmons 1953 T 69 98 trimmed 100 1955 T 64 1957 262 395 1958 101 313 1959 434 1960 Leaf 6 28 33 60 1964 478 531 ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:32:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New file uploaded to OBC-Ramblings From: Bob Corvello Hi Tom, I had trouble opening the link, but I was finally able to do it by signing on to Yahoo Groups and going to OBC Ramblings. Looks great, but really makes me feel like a graybeard! Which I am - of course ;-) Bob Corvello -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 12:09 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New file uploaded to OBC-Ramblings This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the OBC-Ramblings File : /_OBC Master list Rev NOV 2015.doc Uploaded by : tomhousley_2000 Description : An in-progress, far-from-perfect attempt to create a masterlist of everyone who has been a member of OBC. If you have revisions, please send them to Tom Housley. You can access this file at the URL: https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Ramblings/files/_OBC%20Master%20list%20Rev%20NOV%202015.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: https://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?pagecontent&yPROD_GRPS&localeen_US&idSLN15398 tomhousley_2000 ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:04:30 -0500 To: "directorth@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: BBC Trading Wow. What a reaction. He says he has no way of finding out who is a member of OBC. Can't he just look at our directory like every other person who is interested in becoming a member and reach out to some of us? Why does he need to search his eBay sales? Certainly not interested in interacting withhim at all. Just my two cents. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:17 PM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Guys, > I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: > >> > Tom, > I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". > There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? > Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. > I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. > I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism > Sean Bassik > Owner > Invest In Baseball>> > Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly,his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't needsomeone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claimshe will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy fromhim at your own discretion. > Tom ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:10:57 -0500 To: BBC Trading Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: Jimi Thayer This does not surprise me at all coming from Sean. I blocked him from buying from me on eBay awhile back. Bad dealings all around from him in the past, both as a buyer and seller. Definitely NOT "one of the good guys" in the Just my opinion. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:04 PM, BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Wow. What a reaction. He says he has no way of finding out who is a member of OBC. Can't he just look at our directory like every other person who is interested in becoming a member and reach out to some of us? Why does heneed to search his eBay sales? Certainly not interested in interacting with him at all. Just my two cents. > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my iPhone >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:17 PM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> Guys, >> I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that adealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: >> >> >> Tom, >> I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it intheir eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". >> There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? >> Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. >> I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. >> I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I haveabsolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism >> Sean Bassik >> Owner >> Invest In Baseball>> >> Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly, his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't need someone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claims he will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy from him at your own discretion. >> Tom ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 11:24:25 -0800 To: Jimi Thayer Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: Geordie Calvert Couldn't agree more with Jimi's assessment. We are better off without him. > On Nov 1, 2015, at 11:10 AM, Jimi Thayer jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > This does not surprise me at all coming from Sean. I blocked him from buying from me on eBay awhile back. Bad dealings all around from him in the past, both as a buyer and seller. Definitely NOT "one of the good guys" inthe > Just my opinion. > Jimi > Sent from my iPhone >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 2:04 PM, BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Wow. What a reaction. He says he has no way of finding out who is a member of OBC. Can't he just look at our directory like every other person who is interested in becoming a member and reach out to some of us? Why does he need to search his eBay sales? Certainly not interested in interacting with him at all. Just my two cents. >> Andy Huntoon >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:17 PM, "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >>> Guys, >>> I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June.Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this -he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision todelete his application. This is response I received: >>> >> >>> Tom, >>> I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone acrossthe country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". >>> There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? >>> Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. >>> I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. >>> I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism >>> Sean Bassik >>> Owner >>> Invest In Baseball>> >>> Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly, his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't need someone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claims he will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy from him at your own discretion. >>> Tom ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:26:07 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: Joshua Levine Not to really say anything else other than I told you so... -----Original Message----- From: directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Nov 1, 2015 9:17 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across thecountry. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them havi ng it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not careto search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think thatis a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influenceI am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. < /div> I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism Sean Bassik Invest In Baseball>> Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly, his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't need someone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claims he will never give an OBC discount to any O BC member at any show. Buy from him at your own discretion. ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 14:56:14 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: =?utf-8?Q?1973_Topps_=E2=9CKung_Fu=E2=9D_Waiver?From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Starter set available. There are 60 cards in the full set I have twelve different including the expensive #60 card (value 5c) and #48 missing =E2=9CKung Fu=E2=9D on the back (value 5c). =E2Do you hear the grasshopper at your feet?=E2=99 -Master Po =E2Old Man, how is it that you hear these things?=E2=99 -Young Caine =E2Young Man, how is it that you do not?=E2=99 -Master Po =E2Ask and these cards can be yours=E2=99 -Guru ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:03:46 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: UV becoming vintage From: Rick This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Hadan email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked aboutthis many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay forshipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyone who was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand for them now? I do want input even if controversial. The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think theyhave value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Rick'" , Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:22:56 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage From: "Grant Rainsley" Rick, I took care of mine when we moved from Vancouver several years ago....we had to make some decisions about what we were going to take with us and what to part with, since we were moving a fair distance away...........one of my easier decisions was to "donate" my junk era cardboard...........and the lucky recipient? The garbage man, who had one extra large garbage bag to pick up that week. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 12:04 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Had an email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked about this many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay for shipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyone who was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand for them now? I do want input even if controversial. The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think they have value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 12:27:04 -0800 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage From: Rick As a garbage man for twenty years I grabbed the handle of those many of times. Never was I tempted to take them home. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Grant Rainsley wrote: > Rick, I took care of mine when we moved from Vancouver several years ago....we had to make some decisions about what we were going to take with us and what to part with, since we were moving a fair distance away...........one of my easier decisions was to =E2=9Cdonate=E2=9D my junk era cardboard...........and the lucky recipient? The garbage man, who had one extra large garbage bag to pick up that week. > Grant > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 12:04 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage > This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Had an email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked about this many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay for shipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyonewho was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. > So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand forthem now? I do want input even if controversial. > The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. > Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think they have value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 15:52:36 -0500 To: "directorth@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: ShoelessWes Seems all the horror stories were likely true. He must have really wanted our stamp of approval. For such a successful business person, (a man wouldn't cry like that), anyone know why exactly he wanted in so bad? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 1, 2015, at 12:17 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Guys, > I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: > >> > Tom, > I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user name s (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". > There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? > Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. > I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. > I have cheaper, nic er cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I haveabsolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism > Sean Bassik > Owner > Invest In Baseball>> > Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly,his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't needsomeone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claimshe will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy fromhim at your own discretion. > Tom ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:07:06 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage From: Jimi Thayer Do UV cards have value? Yes! Of course they do! Hundreds of thousands ofUV finished auctions prove that. Many OBCers collect UV cards....and spend money on it! In fact....some people spend A LOT of money on them! Now....1990 Donruss cards, and similar era stuff....probably not. But there is plenty of stuff out there that guys spend money on, and are quite willing to trade their vintage to finish their UV sets, or work on their team runs. I know guys in other groups that spend thousands each year on unopened cases just so they get their Mets cards or whatever. And guys willing to buy large team lots....depending on what's in it. There's a guy on Net54 (RichKlein, I believe) who is successfully selling large team lots from all UV years. Not everyone in OBC collects UV stuff....but we have a UV server for a reason. For what it's worth, back in 2009, as many of you know.....I bought a collection, mostly UV, with around one million cards in it. Most of the cards fell between 1979 to 2007. I kept what I wanted for myself and my daughter, and then I was able to sell off 700,000 or so cards off in order to pay us back from the transaction....and then purchase the property next to us in order for my kids to have more land to run around on. It was sooooooomuch fun to go through the cards, but I still have 300,000 cards or so leftover....hence why I offered them up to people recently. Sorry for the rant, but I'm just throwing my two cents out there. I'm always going to be a vintage card collector, and although my 1991 Score set basically has no value, I can't ignore the fact that there is SOME value in myUV Also, don't forget that there is a HUGE market in graded cards. Sending inyour Riveras, Jeters, rarer cards, RCs, and others to PSA is one way people are making a TON of money. Have a great day, OBC! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2015, at 3:22 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Rick, I took care of mine when we moved from Vancouver several years ago....we had to make some decisions about what we were going to take with us and what to part with, since we were moving a fair distance away...........one of my easier decisions was to =E2=9Cdonate=E2=9D my junk era cardboard...........and the lucky recipient? The garbage man, who had one extra large garbage bag to pick up that week. > Grant > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, November 01, 2015 12:04 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage > This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Had an email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked about this many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay for shipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyonewho was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. > So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand forthem now? I do want input even if controversial. > The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. > Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think they have value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:10:09 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: OBC Virtual Card Store (OBC VCS) From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Today I spoke on the phone with OBC Certified Dealer Larrie Dean he is veryinterested in our Virtual Card Store and is setting up his yahoo account. Non sports dealer Alan Miley was approved to post for sale items on the OBCVCS and I think he has subscribed to the server. There are 49 OBC members signed up for the OBC VCS and it looks like we might start seeing some action over there. To subscribe send an email to: obc-vcs-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 13:39:18 -0800 To: Obc Ramblings Subject: Downsizing From: Edward Watts Hey Everyone, Greetings from the post-OBC land. I have a question for the group. After a crazy couple of months, it now looks like we are moving to a house with more space but less storage. Now I'm trying to figure out how to consolidatethings. My ideal is to trade most of my complete or partial sets for "iconic" cardsin presentable condition--something along the lines of trading a 1974-80 Topps run for a nice prewar HOfer. I'd also love to keep these in the OBC family if possible. I would rather not sell, but I may end up having to do that as a last resort. My question is whether any of you have done this? If so, do you have any advice on how to do it in a way that doesn't take a ton of time and postage? Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2015 17:19:42 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: sunday waiver wire done From: Robert Fitts cards are all gone, accept for the 1955 Topps #64. I will try to spread them evenly across the many who responded and send them out tomorrow ================= Date: 01 Nov 2015 15:35:10 -0800 To: Subject: Aalon Hills From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 19:08:49 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage From: "Mark Holland" Man, I hope that you guys are not talking about my recent "cleaning out the closet" posts. While I have moved ~50 sets as a result of the post, I haven't moved any 88-92 products that I have so much of. But I can't force myself to throw away even a 92 Donruss set so they will continue to sit there until I find another venue to move them. Taylor gave me some suggestions that we may look into later. I have offered up what I have for as little as $5 for an 800 count set. If anybody thinks early 90s UV is a long term investment opportunity then I have plenty to share. Are people paying big money for a graded 89 Donruss Griffey RC? I have never submitted a card to be graded because I don't trust grading companies. If I send in a PSA 10, what are the odds that I get that same card back? More than likely I would pay $20 to get back a $5 card if I am lucky enough to sell it. In the trades that I have made this past week I have taken trade bait, want list hits and cash/PayPal. In my opinion, it would be inappropriate to expect people to send vintage for UV junk sets although some have and I am This is a good thread because many of us can relate. A lot of us are in the same boat..downsizing, cleaning closets.it's all the same. We have too many UV sets and can't bring ourselves to throw them away. I don't think any of us are worried about losing a fortune (or a future fortune). I have 13 1992 Topps sets in the closet and they have zero investment potential but I bought the packs and boxes to build the sets one at a time back in 1992. We enjoyed opening the packs and building sets when they were only $8 -$10 a box. And I built a Topps Gold and Gold Winner set. So it isn't too big of a loss to get rid of these sets for nothing. I was also big into minor league cards in the early 90s when I took my kids to minor league games throughout NC. We used the cards to get autographs at A, AA & AAA games so I have many Classic, Excel and Upper Deck minor league sets from the early 90s. And NOBODY wants these. But again, I had fun opening these with the boys and taking cards we needed to get signed. The boys still get autographs at minor league parks in their adult lives but sadly, all the completed sets sit dormant in the closet. Thanks for starting the ramble Rick, I feel your pain and enjoyed sharing how I acquired so much UV. Lots of my UV cards have no monetary value but were part of some good times in their day. If anyone wants 88-92 junk sets for postage let me know. J Mark H. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 3:04 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Had an email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked about this many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay for shipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyone who was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand for them now? I do want input even if controversial. The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think they have value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 16:15:59 -0800 To: Mark Holland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage From: Rick Exactly I don't regret buying them for the same experience but know the money is gone. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2015, at 4:08 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Man, I hope that you guys are not talking about my recent =E2=9Ccleaning out the closet=E2=9D posts. While I have moved ~50 sets as a result of the post, I haven=E2=99t moved any 88-92 products that I have so muchof. But I can=E2=99t force myself to throw away even a 92 Donruss set so they will continue to sit there until I find another venue to move them.Taylor gave me some suggestions that we may look into later. I have offered up what I have for as little as $5 for an 800 count set. If anybody thinks early 90s UV is a long term investment opportunity then I have plenty to share. Are people paying big money for a graded 89 Donruss Griffey RC? Ihave never submitted a card to be graded because I don=E2=99t trust grading companies. If I send in a PSA 10, what are the odds that I get that same card back? More than likely I would pay $20 to get back a $5 card if Iam lucky enough to sell it. In the trades that I have made this past weekI have taken trade bait, want list hits and cash/PayPal. In my opinion, it would be inappropriate to expect people to send vintage for UV junk sets although some have and I am appreciative. > This is a good thread because many of us can relate. A lot of us are in the same boat=E2=A6.downsizing, cleaning closets=E2=A6it=E2=99s allthe same. We have too many UV sets and can=E2=99t bring ourselves to throw them away. I don=E2=99t think any of us are worried about losing a fortune (or a future fortune). I have 13 1992 Topps sets in the closet and they have zero investment potential but I bought the packs and boxes to build the sets one at a time back in 1992. We enjoyed opening the packs and building sets when they were only $8 -$10 a box. And I built a Topps Gold and Gold Winner set. So it isn=E2=99t too big of a loss to get rid of these sets for nothing. I was also big into minor league cards in the early 90s when I took my kids to minor league games throughout NC. We used the cards to get autographs at A, AA & AAA games so I have many Classic, Excel and Upper Deck minor league sets from the early 90s. And NOBODY wants these.But again, I had fun opening these with the boys and taking cards we needed to get signed. The boys still get autographs at minor league parks in their adult lives but sadly, all the completed sets sit dormant in the closet. > Thanks for starting the ramble Rick, I feel your pain and enjoyed sharinghow I acquired so much UV. Lots of my UV cards have no monetary value butwere part of some good times in their day. > If anyone wants 88-92 junk sets for postage let me know. J > Mark H. > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 3:04 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage > This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Had an email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked about this many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay for shipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyonewho was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. > So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand forthem now? I do want input even if controversial. > The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. > Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think they have value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= To: , Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 19:23:43 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: "Bob Donaldson" What is he 7 maybe 8 years old? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:18 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across thecountry. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactionsand 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not careto search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think thatis a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influenceI am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism Sean Bassik Invest In Baseball>> Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly, his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't need someone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claims he will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy from him at your own discretion. ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 17:03:56 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: Geordie Calvert I'm pretty sure he's 26 or so. > On Nov 1, 2015, at 4:23 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > What is he 7 maybe 8 years old? > Bob > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:18 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik > Guys, > I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that a dealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: > >> > Tom, > I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it in their eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". > There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? > Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. > I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. > I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I have absolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism > Sean Bassik > Owner > Invest In Baseball>> > Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly,his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't needsomeone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claimshe will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy fromhim at your own discretion. > Tom ================= Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2015 19:25:30 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik From: OBC Nick P If he has so many more satisfied customers than we have members he doesn't need If he is too lazy to only "want" us as customers but won't spend the time to look at such a short list compared to that of his customer base we don't need Our dealers don't have a problem with our system he does...he shouldn't be one of our dealers. He does think very highly of himself..."I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country." Really? Ok....if that were fact we would already be all over his tables. I for one will go out of my way to NOT do business with him. I will not bejoining his list of 30,000 customers. Nick Pelletier > On Nov 1, 2015, at 7:03 PM, Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I'm pretty sure he's 26 or so. >> On Nov 1, 2015, at 4:23 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> What is he 7 maybe 8 years old? >> Bob >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 12:18 PM >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dealer Sean Bassik >> Guys, >> I have to forward this along. Sean Bassik, who sells as "Invest In Baseball", filled out an application to become an OBC Certified Dealer in June. Aside from the fact that is NOT how to become a certified dealer is this - he has been rejected by the AC for one simple reason: our ROC states that adealer must have 5 recommendations from OBC members, which he does not have. I politely e-mailed him today informing him of this and the decision to delete his application. This is response I received: >> >> >> Tom, >> I work 80 hours a week to bring cards to the market for everyone across the country. I don't know who OBC members are apart from them having it intheir eBay user names (of which one reached out to me and the reason I posted). I don't have a "search" function that shows me of my 90,000 transactions and 30,0000 customers in the past 8 months that says "this is an OBC member". >> There is no way for me to search who is or is not an OBC member, I not care to search for OBC members to "beg" them to post for me. What is the point of getting 5 biased reviews of a dealer? Come on Tom, you really think that is a good system to evaluate the quality of a dealer? >> Rather than look at my transaction history and how positive of an influence I am on the hobby you are relying on the fact that I need 5 "biased vouches" from people who I can't even identify... That is disgusting and ridiculous. >> I have many factors more satisfied customers than OBC has members. >> I have cheaper, nicer cards at a higher discount than anyone in the country. The short answer is OBC needs me a lot more than I need OBC and I haveabsolutely no impulse to chase you down or beg you for ME to give YOUR members a discount. It's ass backwards to expect it and I won't put up with that kind of sensationalism >> Sean Bassik >> Owner >> Invest In Baseball>> >> Just something to keep in mind if you ever wish to buy from him. Frankly, his response is petty, childish and immature - and we certainly don't need someone like him associated with OBC. In a previous outburst he now claims he will never give an OBC discount to any OBC member at any show. Buy from him at your own discretion. >> Tom ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 08:51:06 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: UV becoming vintage From: Glenn Codere After reading all these posts about trying to find a home for UV stuff, I just wish it were cheaper and easier to ship across the Atlantic. I'd be more than happy to take sets off your hands! I realised long ago that the "value" on those sets lies very much just in the enjoyment of having them. GlennGlenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 07:54:44 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 12 pocket pages From: Steve Rittenberg What have people been paying or 12 pocket pages? Seems like every size used to be around $12/box at the National. Then $15. Now $18. I'm looking around the internet and the best price that I can find online is $22/box with shipping from Amazon Prime. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000ETN7N4 Should I take this offer or do you know a dealer that can do better, either through the mail or sell to you and I reimburse you for shipping. Thanks. ps I'd like to get a box. People have given me a few pages at a time but I seem to find new sets for them more often than I expect. The latest - 1949 Bowman variations (just Red Sox), 1950 Bowman copyright variations, and T78 Henry. ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 15:11:10 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage--a possible solution From: One thought for the "junk" cards. I also had a bunch of stuff from the overproduced era and needed some space (more precisely, my wife told me I needed some space :-)). At any rate, I made a call to the local Marines Toys for Tots rep and he was delighted to have me drop them off with him. He saidthere were lots of kids who would enjoy them, and at the same time, I got a tax deduction. Don't know if that would work for anyone else, but for me it was a 10 mile drive to where they were. ---- "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Exactly I don't regret buying them for the same experience but know the money is gone. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 1, 2015, at 4:08 PM, 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Man, I hope that you guys are not talking about my recent =E2=9Ccleaning out the closet=E2=9D posts. While I have moved ~50 sets as a result of the post, I haven=E2=99t moved any 88-92 products that I have so muchof. But I can=E2=99t force myself to throw away even a 92 Donruss set so they will continue to sit there until I find another venue to move them.Taylor gave me some suggestions that we may look into later. I have offered up what I have for as little as $5 for an 800 count set. If anybody thinks early 90s UV is a long term investment opportunity then I have plenty to share. Are people paying big money for a graded 89 Donruss Griffey RC? Ihave never submitted a card to be graded because I don=E2=99t trust grading companies. If I send in a PSA 10, what are the odds that I get that same card back? More than likely I would pay $20 to get back a $5 card if Iam lucky enough to sell it. In the trades that I have made this past weekI have taken trade bait, want list hits and cash/PayPal. In my opinion, it would be inappropriate to expect people to send vintage for UV junk sets although some have and I am appreciative. > This is a good thread because many of us can relate. A lot of us are in the same boat=E2=A6.downsizing, cleaning closets=E2=A6it=E2=99s allthe same. We have too many UV sets and can=E2=99t bring ourselves to throw them away. I don=E2=99t think any of us are worried about losing a fortune (or a future fortune). I have 13 1992 Topps sets in the closet and they have zero investment potential but I bought the packs and boxes to build the sets one at a time back in 1992. We enjoyed opening the packs and building sets when they were only $8 -$10 a box. And I built a Topps Gold and Gold Winner set. So it isn=E2=99t too big of a loss to get rid of these sets for nothing. I was also big into minor league cards in the early 90s when I took my kids to minor league games throughout NC. We used the cards to get autographs at A, AA & AAA games so I have many Classic, Excel and Upper Deck minor league sets from the early 90s. And NOBODY wants these.But again, I had fun opening these with the boys and taking cards we needed to get signed. The boys still get autographs at minor league parks in their adult lives but sadly, all the completed sets sit dormant in the closet. > Thanks for starting the ramble Rick, I feel your pain and enjoyed sharinghow I acquired so much UV. Lots of my UV cards have no monetary value butwere part of some good times in their day. > If anyone wants 88-92 junk sets for postage let me know. J > Mark H. > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Sunday, November 1, 2015 3:04 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV becoming vintage > This ramble will eventually get to the vintage topic but starts out UV. Had an email exchange with an OBCer while back and I know we have talked about this many times but bring it up again. I offered to take some uv but said I would pay the shipping but wouldn't buy the cards or trade vintage for them since shipping for junk era cards are usually higher than the cards are worth. I know we have talked many times as why we don't send many uv for that reason. I didn't ask for stars/inserts or anything specific just anything off my uv lists. He was offended I wouldn't pay for the cards and pay for shipping. I know/believe my junk era cards are basically worthless so didn't think I was out of line. I would offer anyone the same deal for anyonewho was lucky enough to not buy junk era cards and wanted some. > So it got me thinking I'm I missing something? I paid money for my junk cards too but just chalked it up to bad deal on my part so it goes no big deal. Do people still think they still have value even if maybe no demand forthem now? I do want input even if controversial. > The vintage part of this got me thinking is 90 topps/donruss/fleer 100 years from now the equivalent of t206's-33 goudeys. These seem to be very plentiful now which tells me they must have been massed produced for the time for there to be so many now. > Do I need to get my great-great grand children to keep my junk era cards because they will be worth something then? Is this why people may think they have value because 100 years from now they will also? What are you guys going to do with you junk era cards? Rick > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 16:33:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 12 pocket pages From: talbot1@comcast.net I have not been going to the local shows much (spent way too much at Chicago and then a few on-line auctions) but I am quite sure that I can still get100 count boxes of any size sheet at about $15, to get them to you there would be shipping but I suppose media mail would be available pretty cheap. I think that $22 + shipping is pretty high. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Rittenberg srittenberg@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 2, 2015 8:54:44 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 12 pocket pages What have people been paying or 12 pocket pages? Seems like every size used to be around $12/box at the National. Then $15. Now $18. I'm looking around the internet and the best price that I can find online is $22/box with shipping from Amazon Prime. http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000ETN7N4 Should I take this offer or do you know a dealer that can do better, either through the mail or sell to you and I reimburse you for shipping. Thanks. ps I'd like to get a box. People have given me a few pages at a time but I seem to find new sets for them more often than I expect. The latest - 1949 Bowman variations (just Red Sox), 1950 Bowman copyright variations, and T78 Henry. ================= To: OBC Ramblings , George Vrechek Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 10:46:54 -0600 Subject: Year Project. From: Aaron Shirley Okay, I let the Year Project group sit idle for a couple months. I looked at other host sites and found nothing worth using. Nothing which had a simple interface which would allow for security and functionality. Including our original location, which was the databases within Yahoo Groups itself. Then I went back and re-read all the most recent comments / objections / suggestions again. Boils down to security. I use Google Drive, and have without issue for years, but understand many have privacy issues with the site. So even though it would work in theory, it's a no-go if people won't use it! And I totally understand that. So what else does that leave us? I honestly believe the core ideal of the Year Project is WORTH doing. It simplifies the process of finding recipients for your stack of whatever-year-cards by showing you everyone's wantlist - for that one set - in the same place. It eliminates the frustration of going to ten or even fifteen guys' wantlist webpages to find out they all finished the set years ago, or only need one $300 card. Let me put it this way: I believe this idea is my single most important offering to OBC in my 10 years as a member. But only if it works. Vrechek's suggestion to integrate the Year Project into the oldbaseball.com website would be wonderful. I would be absolutely thrilled if it were possible. And it should be known that I would do whatever it takes, within my abilities, to help make this happen. Let's talk possibilities. Aaron Shirley ---In OBCYearProject@yahoogroups.com, wrote : encourage our efforts on this. It is really the first step toward having an OBC-wide data base wantlist. Ideally you should be able to click on 1973 Topps, see all the cards that anyone needs in numerical order and who needs them. 1973 may not be a very good example since many OBCers are unfortunately looking for the same thing that others also need (1952 Topps Mantle) or obscure cards that don=92t show up among doubles(1951 Royal Desserts). Guys fairly new to OBC may need some of the more =93recent=94 sets and can get bombarded, but many OBCers have finished the base sets =96 at least for the affordable cards. Our efforts to re-do the website with, among other things, this data base in mind have stalled. The effort is likely time-consuming =96 or impossible. It would be a major change if we combined our wantlists =96 which is really what the Year-by-Year project does. It is hard to keep two independent lists up to date, which is one of the problems you see now as the year-by-year lists mature. I just happened to have updated my wants on the year by year site recently, but it does take an extra effort or reminder. The ideal would be to have your own wantlist on the same platform as others that automatically can be sorted by who needs what card number by set. From what little I know, this would be a data base rather than a spreadsheet or Word document.However, this might take a while =96 and it might make collecting all too easy. We=92d be done in a week. Just kidding. In the meantime, I think the message is to keep your year-by-year wantlists up to date and encourage everyone else to get on the bandwagon with the goal of having a OBC-wide wantlist of who needs what, all in one place.George Vrechek=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: 02 Nov 2015 16:06:05 -0800 To: Subject: Mini Set Hero Out There? From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:14:59 -0500 To: mp1067@Hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I would tell you to check this off your list, but although wrinkled and scuffed the one I am sending you is unchecked. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 7:06 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? If anyone has a double star 1974 Topps California Angels checklist, it would be greatly appreciated. Trying to get the last checklist of the set. Thanks. Mike Dillon 95 Sparrow Ridge Road Carmel, NY 10512 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:16:29 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? From: "Matt Yudt" Got it! Will be in tomorrow's mail From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mp1067@Hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:06 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? If anyone has a double star 1974 Topps California Angels checklist, it would be greatly appreciated. Trying to get the last checklist of the set. Mike Dillon 95 Sparrow Ridge Road Carmel, NY 10512 ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:24:32 -0500 To: yudts5@verizon.net, mp1067@Hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com You were a minute late according to my e-mails, but if yours is in better shape, I will yield my claim to be the mini-set killer. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: mp1067 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 7:16 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? Got it! Will be in tomorrow=E2=99smail From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mp1067@Hotmail.com[OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 02, 20157:06 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings]Mini Set Hero Out There? If anyonehas a double star 1974 Topps California Angels checklist, it wouldbe greatlyappreciated. Trying to get the last checklist of the set. Thanks. Mike Dillon 95 Sparrow Ridge Road Carmel, NY 10512 ================= To: Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:33:57 -0500 Subject: My personal single day postage expense record From: "Mark Holland" Here is a new record for me. I went to the post office this morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going out today. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the other customers to freeze in horror when they saw me. Fortunately I had to make 2 trips and the line died down to nothing and I had it by myself. The postal worker said I really got my money's worth. One package going to Oregon was $12.85. Had I not used flat rate he said that it would have been over $42. Let's hear some stories about OBC shipping escapades from the past. Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually fun to be sharing so many cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use to have baseball cards but sold them when he needed money. I told him that is what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5 sets. He asked are you sure that you don't need more insurance? Uh no, $50 is plenty. Later guys! Mark Holland Vintage List ================= To: , , Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:49:28 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? From: "Matt Yudt" 2 minutes late on my computer, but it is also unchecked AND crease / scuff free. I'll send the card, but will cede the official set kill to you :-) Also - have a stack of these on my desk now, so if anyone else needs any, now is the time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:25 PM To: yudts5@verizon.net; mp1067@Hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? You were a minute late according to my e-mails, but if yours is in better shape, I will yield my claim to be the mini-set killer. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: mp1067 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 7:16 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? Got it! Will be in tomorrow's mail From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of mp1067@Hotmail.com Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:06 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mini Set Hero Out There? If anyone has a double star 1974 Topps California Angels checklist, it would be greatly appreciated. Trying to get the last checklist of the set. Mike Dillon 95 Sparrow Ridge Road Carmel, NY 10512 ================= To: "'Mark Holland'" , Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 20:04:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: "Matt Yudt" Wow, that is impressive. A few years ago when I got a huge UV collection from Bobby Fong (RIP, former Ursinus College President), I did 3 massive waives - each was around $40 total. I kept track of the total in POUNDS and was well over 60 lbs of cards sent out. I think Rich Niessen got about 20 lbs alone:-) That was fun. I'm still sitting on some of them - for example nobody wanted the 1990 set of Arizona State Sports cards. Also, the Notre Dame cards were good for starting fires and use as coasters. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2015 7:34 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Here is a new record for me. I went to the post office this morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going out today. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the other customers to freeze in horror when they saw me. Fortunately I had to make 2 trips and the line died down to nothing and I had it by myself. The postal worker said I really got my money's worth. One package going to Oregon was $12.85. Had I not used flat rate he said that it would have been over $42. Let's hear some stories about OBC shipping escapades from the past. Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually fun to be sharing so many cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use to have baseball cards but sold them when he needed money. I told him that is what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5 sets. He asked are you sure that you don't need more insurance? Uh no, $50 is plenty. Later guys! Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 19:19:00 -0600 To: Mark Holland , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2015 21:05:27 -0500 To: Mark Holland , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: JDahms ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:28:21 -0500 To: mholland28412@ec.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: Joshua Levine I know last year during my summer mailing, I was close to $100...can't quite remember but I think I posted something about the exact amount on the ramblings server then... -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 4:34 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Here is a new record for me. I went to the post officethis morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going outtoday. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the othercustomers to freeze in horrorwhen they saw me. Fortunately I had to make2 trips and the line died downto nothing and I had it by myself. Thepostal worker said I really got my money=E2=99s worth. One package goingto Oregon was $12.85. Had I not used flat rate he said that it would havebeen over $42. Let=E2=99s hear some stories about OBC shipping escapadesfrom the past. Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually funto be sharing so many cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use tohave baseball cards butsold them when he needed money. I told him thatis what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5sets. He asked are you sure that you don=E2=99t need moreinsurance? Uh no, $50 is plenty. Later guys! Mark Holland ================= Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 21:32:47 -0500 To: mholland28412@ec.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: Joshua Levine Found it...it was 114 packages at just under $80 BUT I did mail an additional 7 a week later that pushed my total to $83...Mark still beat me!! -----Original Message----- From: 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2015 4:34 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Here is a new record for me. I went to the post officethis morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going outtoday. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the othercustomers to freeze in horrorwhen they saw me. Fortunately I had to make2 trips and the line died downto nothing and I had it by myself. Thepostal worker said I really got my money=E2=99s worth. One package goingto Oregon was $12.85. Had I not used flat rate he said that it would havebeen over $42. Let=E2=99s hear some stories about OBC shipping escapadesfrom the past. Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually funto be sharing so many cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use tohave baseball cards butsold them when he needed money. I told him thatis what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5sets. He asked are you sure that you don=E2=99t need moreinsurance? Uh no, $50 is plenty. Later guys! Mark Holland ================= To: Mark Holland , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 09:42:00 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: Taylor Schock Hopefully you used www.usps.com (or maybe paypal or some other discount site) for postage on these. It would save you about 10% the cost of paying for the postage at the PO. I use it all the time for my flat rate stuff I send out since I don't have to weigh anything. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:33:57 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Here is a new record for me. I went to the post office this morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going out today. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the other customers to freeze in horror when they saw me. Fortunately I had to make 2 trips and the line died down to nothing and I had it by myself. The postal worker said I really got my money=92s worth. One package going to Oregon was $12.85. Had I not used flat rate he said that it would have been over $42. Let=92s hear some stories about OBC shipping escapades from the past. Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually fun to be sharing so many cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use to have baseball cards but sold them when he needed money. I told him that is what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5 sets. He asked are you sure that you don=92t need more insurance? Uh no, $50 is plenty. Later guys! Mark Holland ================= Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2015 11:20:32 -0600 To: Taylor Schock , Mark Holland Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: Mark Zentkovich ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:42:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: "Mark Holland" Ok, I will admit that I have never used an online postage site. What paperis loaded in the printer to print the shipping labels? Plain paper taped on the box??????? Thanks for telling me about this option. Mark H From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:21 PM To: Taylor Schock; Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record The other advantage of using these sites is avoiding the lines, as most post offices have a package slot to put the boxes in.. I usually go to post office after they close and use the automated machine for nonmachinable letters, and my puffins and boxes already have labels from home from PayPal ship site Mark Z Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 11/3/2015 8:42 AM (GMT-06:00) To: Mark Holland , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Hopefully you used www.usps.com (or maybe paypal or some other discount site) for postage on these. It would save you about 10% the cost of paying for the postage at the PO. I use it all the time for my flat rate stuff I send out since I don't have to weigh anything. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:33:57 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Here is a new record for me. I went to the post office this morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going out today. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the other customers to freeze in horror when they saw me. Fortunately I had to make 2 trips and the line died down to nothing and I had it by myself. The postal worker said I really got my money=E2=99s worth. One package going to Oregon was $12.85. Had Inot used flat rate he said that it would have been over $42. Let=E2=99s hear some stories about OBC shipping escapades from the past.Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually fun to be sharing somany cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use to have baseball cards but sold them when he needed money. I told him that is what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5 sets. He asked are you sure that you don=E2=99t need more insurance? Uh no, $50 is plenty. Later guys! Mark Holland Vintage List ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:51:29 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record From: Taylor Schock Plain paper taped on the box is what I used. Never failed. I do not use it for ALL my packages, just flat rate (which you don't have to weigh). I will still usually go to the PO and wait for them to scan the item into the system though (as well as sending all non-flat-rate boxes and puffies there). It doesn't hurt to have your local PO familiar with you on a face-to-face or name basis for when problems DO arise with sending/receiving mail. As with the rest of human nature, people are more inclined to do all they can for someone they actually know. :) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 13:42:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Ok, I will admit that I have never used an online postage site. What paper is loaded in the printer to print the shipping labels? Plain paper taped on the box??????? Thanks for telling me about this option. Mark H From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mark Zentkovich mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 12:21 PM To: Taylor Schock; Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense The other advantage of using these sites is avoiding the lines, as most post offices have a package slot to put the boxes in.. I usually go to post office after they close and use the automated machine for nonmachinable letters, and my puffins and boxes already have labels from home from PayPal ship site Mark Z Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device -------- Original message -------- From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 11/3/2015 8:42 AM To: Mark Holland , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Hopefully you used www.usps.com (or maybe paypal or some other discount site) for postage on these. It would save you about 10% the cost of paying for the postage at the PO. I use it all the time for my flat rate stuff I send out since I don't have to weigh anything. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2015 19:33:57 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My personal single day postage expense record Here is a new record for me. I went to the post office this morning and spent $87 for flat rate postage on the card sets going out today. I carried 6 bulky flat rate boxes inside causing the other customers to freeze in horror when they saw me. Fortunately I had to make 2 trips and the line died down to nothing and I had it by myself. The postal worker said I really got my money=92s worth. One package going to Oregon was $12.85. Had I not used flat rate he said that it would have been over $42. Let=92s hear some stories about OBC shipping escapades from the past. Can anyone top $87 in a single trip? It was actually fun to be sharing so many cards. I talked to the clerk who said he use to have baseball cards but sold them when he needed money. I told him that is what I was doing. Little did he know the boxes were full of $5 sets. He asked are you sure that you don=92t need more insurance? Uh no, $50 is Later guys! Mark Holland Vintage List ================= Date: 03 Nov 2015 10:53:51 -0800 To: Subject: post office From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 18:23:12 -0500 Subject: waiver wire From: "Mark Holland" While pulling some RAOK flats to get out tomorrow I found a few oddball cards in my dupes box to share. Most are typical OBC condition. 1953 Topps - 186 1960 Topps - 240 Aparicio (top trimmed) 1967 Topps - 535 Clendenon (writing on front) 1968 Topps Deckle - 14, 20, 25, 30 Fleer World Series BLUE - 59 Fleer World Series BLACK - 38, 39 1975 Hostess - 40, 44, 45, 50, 102, 122 1976 Crane Disc - Steve Rogers 1977 Hostess - 26, 33, 44, 133 1983 Roy Rogers Disc - Goose Gossage Claim away, please include address. Mark Holland Vintage List UV Sets to Trade ================= Date: 03 Nov 2015 16:09:19 -0800 To: Subject: '62 Post set iced! From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 19:20:57 -0500 Subject: RE: waiver wire update From: "Mark Holland" 1967 Topps - 535 Clendenon (writing on front) - GONE From: Mark Holland [mailto:mholland28412@ec.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com' Subject: waiver wire While pulling some RAOK flats to get out tomorrow I found a few oddball cards in my dupes box to share. Most are typical OBC condition. 1953 Topps - 186 1960 Topps - 240 Aparicio (top trimmed) 1967 Topps - 535 Clendenon (writing on front) 1968 Topps Deckle - 14, 20, 25, 30 Fleer World Series BLUE - 59 Fleer World Series BLACK - 38, 39 1975 Hostess - 40, 44, 45, 50, 102, 122 1976 Crane Disc - Steve Rogers 1977 Hostess - 26, 33, 44, 133 1983 Roy Rogers Disc - Goose Gossage Claim away, please include address. Mark Holland Vintage List UV Sets to Trade ================= Date: 03 Nov 2015 16:49:51 -0800 To: Subject: 1963 Topps Waiver Wires From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2015 22:44:17 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: waiver wire update 2 From: "Mark Holland" Latest update!!!!! 1953 Topps - 186 1960 Topps - 240 Aparicio (top trimmed) 1967 Topps - 535 Clendenon (writing on front) - Gone 1968 Topps Deckle - 14, 20, 25, 30 Fleer World Series BLUE - 59 Fleer World Series BLACK - 38, 39 1975 Hostess - 40, 44, 45, 50, 102, 122 Gone 1976 Crane Disc - Steve Rogers 1977 Hostess - 26, 33, 44, 133 Gone 1983 Roy Rogers Disc - Goose Gossage From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Mark Holland' mholland28412@ec.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 7:21 PM To: 'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: waiver wire update 1967 Topps - 535 Clendenon (writing on front) - GONE From: Mark Holland [mailto:mholland28412@ec.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 3, 2015 6:23 PM To: 'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com' Subject: waiver wire While pulling some RAOK flats to get out tomorrow I found a few oddball cards in my dupes box to share. Most are typical OBC condition. 1953 Topps - 186 1960 Topps - 240 Aparicio (top trimmed) 1967 Topps - 535 Clendenon (writing on front) 1968 Topps Deckle - 14, 20, 25, 30 Fleer World Series BLUE - 59 Fleer World Series BLACK - 38, 39 1975 Hostess - 40, 44, 45, 50, 102, 122 1976 Crane Disc - Steve Rogers 1977 Hostess - 26, 33, 44, 133 1983 Roy Rogers Disc - Goose Gossage Claim away, please include address. Mark Holland Vintage List UV Sets to Trade ================= To: Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 00:52:32 -0500 Subject: oaks, hostess, and gaylord perry From: "Matt Yudt" Went to the Oaks PA show this past weekend. Spent a lot more money than I intended (what's new?) but had a good time. My aging and ailing dealer friend Joce Kaligis did the show so I helped him unload and load and he stayed over at my house one of the nights since it is only 15 or 20 minutes from my home. Anyway, Friday AM before show officially started, I went throught Paul Korsts discount boxes and pulled a bunch and then bought the 66 Gaylord Perry from him on top of it - taking me to 2 more needed for the set!! Spent a little more going through some dollar boxes here and there, but wasn't overly impressed with the show. Turns out, neither were the dealers. It was a free show with a ton of autographers Sat and Sun, so most people were there for that. In fact, another guy from the Lehigh Valley that has tons of cool oddball stuff at NOT good prices (but nice stuff for sure) sold NOTHING on Saturday and was gone hours before it ended. I came back Sunday AM and bought the entire lot of 71 OPC that Paul Korst had in his 50 cents box. Close to 500 cards for $100. Turns out about 222 unique, so takes it right back to near the 50 cents/card he was asking but now have tons of dupes to hit some lists - so look out OBC land! These Canadian black beauties will be showing up in mailboxes around the country soon.(get those lists updated - especially on the 'who collects what' page, cuz that's what I will go by) Finally, Joce gave me a binder of Hostess he 'found' in his inventory for me. He trusts me to go through and take what I need and pay him accordingly, usually with very nice discounts. Well, long story short, I just bought the damn binder, but with this one I am going to try and recoup some of that cost. I'm starting to take inventory of all the dupes and of course will start with our dealer scum page, before maybe taking my first crack at selling on ebay (yikes). But before I do, or while I'm doing that, if anyone is interested in nice lots of hostess let me know (a few 75's, but anywhere from 40-60 of each of the 76-79 versions, some stars too. No twinkies.) Also, there probably dozen or two panels too - all years. Which makes me wonder - does anyone collect BOTH the panels and the individual cards, or do most do one or the other? Anyway, stay tuned on the dealer scum for hostess or point me to those 71 OPC lists if you're interested in a trade (no stars there) Matt Yudt ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 13:15:12 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups , Subject: Weebly Users - Any Issues? From: Mike Mackie Hey everyone: I'm sure that there are a few others out there that use Weebly to host their wantlist page. If that's you, I'm wondering if you've had any problems with it lately. For the past month or so I've noticed that my page loads slowly or not at all. Fortunately I've not had any problems (knock on wood) with accessing and editing my page, which would be critical if I need to migrate it to another host, but none of that does me any good if you all can't access it. Link to my page below:http://macknife13.weebly.com/ Mike MackieOBC / VCT / DT ================= Date: 04 Nov 2015 05:20:25 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Weebly Users - Any Issues? From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= To: "'OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com'" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 08:22:53 -0500 Subject: 66T Dick Bertell high number From: "Mark Holland" Here is a 66T #587 that your search probably won't find because he has it listed as a 61T. Nice card and price. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1961-TOPPS-587-HIGH-NUMBER-DICK-BERTELL-VGEX-/262120 Mark Holland Vintage List & UV Sets to Trade ================= Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2015 11:17:28 -0600 To: mfmroz@prodigy.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Weebly Users - Any Issues? From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 12:30:06 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Waiver wire: 1978 Dover reprints From: Jake Elwell Guys - I have a near-complete book of these (missing only the 55T Jackie Robinson), still attached and no condition issues. Claim away and I'll try to hit asmany different requesters as I can, with priority given to people I owe orhaven't sent to in a while. Please do include your mailing address. Thanks much, 1978 Dover Publications Reprints 1a Jimmie Foxx 34G Philadelphia Athletics 1b Lefty Grove 34NC Boston Red Sox 1c Ted Williams 57T Boston Red Sox 2a Frank Baker 14CJ Philadelphia Athletics 2b Mickey Cochrane 34G Detroit Tigers 2c Al Simmons 34NC Chicago White Sox 2d Dazzy Vance 33G St. Louis Cardinals 6a Dizzy Dean 34G St. Louis Cardinals 6b Eddie Plank 14CJ Philadelphia Athletics 7 Ted Lyons 33G Chicago White Sox 16 Lloyd Waner 34NC Pittsburgh Pirates 17a Roger Bresnahan 14CJ Chicago Cubs 17b Frankie Frisch 34NC St. Louis Cardinals 18 Hank Greenberg 41PB Detroit Tigers 19 Chief Bender 14CJ Philadelphia Athletics 20 Red Ruffing 41PB New York Yankees 21a Burleigh Grimes 33TO Chicago Cubs 21b Bill Terry 34G New York Giants 23a Charles Comiskey 14CJ Chicago White Sox 23b Kiki Cuyler 33G Chicago Cubs 23c Charlie Gehringer 34G Detroit Tigers 25 Ernie Banks 62T Chicago Cubs 27 Chick Hafey 33TO Cincinnati Reds 28 Jesse Haines 33TO St. Louis Cardinals 30a Ty Cobb 14CJ Detroit Tigers 30b Heinie Manush 34NC Washington Senators 31 Frank Chance T205 Chicago Cubs 32 Sam Rice 34NC Cleveland Indians 34 Rogers Hornsby 33TO St. Louis Cardinals 35a Earl Averill 34NC Cleveland Indians 35b Harry Hooper 14CJ Boston Red Sox 36 Ed Walsh 14CJ Chicago White Sox 37a Pete Alexander 14CJ Philadelphia Phillies 37b Lou Gehrig 34G New York Yankees 39 Carl Hubbell 34NC New York Giants 44 Connie Mack 33TO Philadelphia Athletics 50a Mel Ott 34NC New York Giants 50b Jackie Robinson 55T Brooklyn Dodgers 57 Walter Johnson 14CJ Washington Senators 59 Mordecai Brown T206 Chicago Cubs 60 Waite Hoyt 33G Pittsburgh Pirates 61 Ray Schalk 15CJ Chicago White Sox 62 Johnny Evers T205 Chicago Cubs 68 Honus Wagner 14CJ Pittsburgh Pirates 70a Fred Clarke 14CJ Pittsburgh Pirates 70b Bill Dickey 41PB New York Yankees 71 Joe DiMaggio 41PB New York Yankees 72 Lefty Gomez 41PB New York Yankees 74 Eppa Rixey 33G Cincinnati Reds 75 Miller Huggins 14CJ St. Louis Cardinals 83 Paul Waner 34NC Pittsburgh Pirates 87 Jack Chesbro T206 New York Yankees 89 Tris Speaker 33G Kansas City Blues 95 Luke Appling 34NC Chicago White Sox 97 Al Lopez 34NC Boston Bees 99 Pie Traynor 34NC Pittsburgh Pirates 100 Eddie Collins T206 Philadelphia Athletics 103 Earle Combs 33G New York Yankees 109 Joe Cronin 33G Washington Senators 111 Sam Crawford T206 Detroit Tigers 117 Rabbit Maranville 33G Boston Braves 123 Rube Marquard T205 New York Giants 124 Christy Mathewson T205 New York Giants 130 John McGraw T205 New York Giants 133a Freddie Lindstrom 33G Pittsburgh Pirates 133b Branch Rickey 14CJ St. Louis Browns 138 Herb Pennock 33G New York Yankees 144a Wilbert Robinson 16FB Brooklyn Dodgers 144b Babe Ruth 33G New York Yankees 146 Edd Roush 16FB New York Giants 150 Stan Musial 59T St. Louis Cardinals 153 Hugh Duffy T206 Chicago White Sox 160 Roberto Clemente 65T Pittsburgh Pirates 165 Joe Sewell 33G New York Yankees 167 Clark Griffith 15CJ Washington Senators 168 Goose Goslin 33G Washington Senators 169 Casey Stengel 16FB Brooklyn Dodgers 176 Elmer Flick T206 Cleveland Naps 191 Joe Tinker T205 Chicago Cubs 199 Zack Wheat T205 Brooklyn Dodgers 200a Mickey Mantle 63T New York Yankees 200b Warren Spahn 61T Milwaukee Braves 202 Gabby Hartnett 33G Chicago Cubs 232 Hughie Jennings T206 Detroit Tigers 248 Willie Keeler T206 New York Yankees 249 Joe Kelley T206 Toronto Maple Leafs 271 Nap Lajoie T206 Cleveland Indians 318 Joe McGinnity T206 Newark Indians 343 Sandy Koufax 60T Los Angeles Dodgers 496 Rube Waddell T206 St. Louis Browns 500 Bobby Wallace T206 St. Louis Browns 524 Cy Young T206 Cleveland Naps ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:35:35 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: does a card exist.... From: nick pelletier I am getting close to completing my 1957-76 OPC NHL hockey set. one of the three cards I dont have is # 395. it is not listed on COMC, Deans, or cardboardconnection, or California Sports Cards. It shows as acard never produced. It is not listed in Bucket that the card wasnt produced. It shows a 396 card set. Somewhere along the way I got the name Chico Maki for # 395. My question is Does # 395 exist in the 1975-76 OPC set. Can anybody confirm this card exists? Do I stand a better chance of finding a T206Wagner in my collection that # 395. Thanks for the help. Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com ================= To: nick pelletier , yahoogroups Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:53:56 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] does a card exist.... From: Taylor Schock If I search www.beckett.com under Hockey for 1975-76 O-Pee-Chee (394 or 396) I get:: 1975-76 O-Pee-Chee #394 Alain Daigle RC 1975-76 O-Pee-Chee #396 Harold Snepsts RC But searching for 1975-76 O-Pee-Chee 395 I get nothing. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 21:35:35 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] does a card exist.... I am getting close to completing my 1957-76 OPC NHL hockey set. one of thethree cards I dont have is # 395. it is not listed on COMC, Deans, or cardboardconnection, or California Sports Cards. It shows as a card never produced. It is not listed in Bucket that the card wasnt produced. It shows a 396 card set. Somewhere along the way I got the name Chico Maki for # 395. My question is Does # 395 exist in the 1975-76 OPC set. Can anybody confirm this card exists? Do I stand a better chance of finding a T206 Wagner inmy collection that # 395. Thanks for the help. Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:55:58 -0500 To: nick pelletier Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] does a card exist.... From: Joel Freedman 1974-75 O-Pee-Chee #395 Chico Maki On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, nick pelletier nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I am getting close to completing my 1957-76 OPC NHL hockey set. one of > the three cards I dont have is # 395. it is not listed on COMC, Deans, or > cardboardconnection, or California Sports Cards. It shows as a card never > produced. It is not listed in Bucket that the card wasnt produced. It > shows a 396 card set. > Somewhere along the way I got the name Chico Maki for # 395. > My question is Does # 395 exist in the 1975-76 OPC set. Can anybody > confirm this card exists? Do I stand a better chance of finding a T206 > Wagner in my collection that # 395. > Thanks for the help. > Nick Pelletier > Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 16:00:27 -0600 To: Joel Freedman , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] does a card exist.... From: OBC Nick P Thanks for the help....now I feel dumb. I've been looking for that card for a few months now. Although it does make the set easier to complete. Not sure how the name moved from 1974 to 1975 but must be what happened. Operator error is probably the cause. Thank you. Nick Pelletier > On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > 1974-75 O-Pee-Chee #395 Chico Maki >> On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, nick pelletier nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> I am getting close to completing my 1957-76 OPC NHL hockey set. one of the three cards I dont have is # 395. it is not listed on COMC, Deans, or cardboardconnection, or California Sports Cards. It shows as a card never produced. It is not listed in Bucket that the card wasnt produced. It shows a 396 card set. >> Somewhere along the way I got the name Chico Maki for # 395. >> My question is Does # 395 exist in the 1975-76 OPC set. Can anybody confirm this card exists? Do I stand a better chance of finding a T206 Wagnerin my collection that # 395. >> Thanks for the help. >> Nick Pelletier >> Nachobcards@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 17:54:04 -0800 Subject: Mystery of Life........... From: "Grant Rainsley" So I just put out a thanks to Rick Lyons for an inbound...........it was a '56 Braves Team card............nice, too. But here comes the mystery.........Rick originally intended to send me a '62-'63 Shirriff coin of NHL'er/Ranger Irv Cunningham...........when the envelope got here today, the Braves card was intact and in its top loader.............along for the ride was an EMPTY top loader...................there no signs of tampering in the least with the envelope. Rick confirms the coin was in the other Well, my fellow armchair Detectives, I'd like to hear your bizarre explanations about how this simple RAOK has turned into a Kidnapping case.................whoever comes up with most interesting and imaginative explanation for this Mystery of Life gets a promise from me............after a winner is declared, I'll head immediately to that person's Wantlist and do my best to hit it. (No guarantees, this limited time offer expires at the time of my choosing.) ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2015 19:03:25 -0800 Subject: Mystery of Life........... From: "Grant Rainsley" You are correct, it doesn't exist, because of a typo........it is a 1961-62 Shirriff coin...........and it is Bob Cunningham, not Irv...........(I think he had a brother named Irv). http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bob-Cunningham-96-1961-62-Shirriff-Hockey-Coin-GC03D So back to Start. From: Matt Yudt [mailto:yudts5@verizon.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 6:30 PM To: 'Grant Rainsley' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Mystery of Life........... https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?search=irv+cunningham &title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go It's simple - "Irv Cunningham does not exist" (cue twilight zone music) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2015 8:54 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mystery of Life........... So I just put out a thanks to Rick Lyons for an inbound...........it was a '56 Braves Team card............nice, too. But here comes the mystery.........Rick originally intended to send me a '62-'63 Shirriff coin of NHL'er/Ranger Irv Cunningham...........when the envelope got here today, the Braves card was intact and in its top loader.............along for the ride was an EMPTY top loader...................there no signs of tampering in the least with the envelope. Rick confirms the coin was in the other Well, my fellow armchair Detectives, I'd like to hear your bizarre explanations about how this simple RAOK has turned into a Kidnapping case.................whoever comes up with most interesting and imaginative explanation for this Mystery of Life gets a promise from me............after a winner is declared, I'll head immediately to that person's Wantlist and do my best to hit it. (No guarantees, this limited time offer expires at the time of my choosing.) ================= Date: 05 Nov 2015 04:45:16 -0800 To: Subject: Turning Kids on to Vintage From: JTysver1@msn.com ================= Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 06:52:42 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Turning Kids on to Vintage From: LAWRENCE TIPTON How about and the OBC Favorite? "Baseball Card Flipping, Trading and Bubble Gum Book=E2=9D by Boyd & Harris ================= Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 07:57:05 -0500 To: nachobcards@yahoo.com, jefreedman1@gmail.com, taylor_schock@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] does a card exist.... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com 1975-76 OPC Hockey card #395 was an error. It was supposed to be the 3rd checklist. Instead there are 2 # 267. 267A is checklist of 221-330 and 267B is 331-396. The 267B should have been #395. So there are 396 cards for the set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: OBC Nick P nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Joel Freedman ; Taylor Schock Cc: yahoogroups Sent: Wed, Nov 4, 2015 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] does a card exist.... Thanks for the help....now I feel dumb. I've been looking for that card for a few months now. Although it does make the set easier to complete. Not sure how the name moved from 1974 to 1975 but must be what happened. Operator error is probably the cause. Thank you. Nick Pelletier On Nov 4, 2015, at 3:55 PM, Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: 1974-75 O-Pee-Chee #395 Chico Maki On Wed, Nov 4, 2015 at 4:35 PM, nick pelletier nachobcards@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I am getting close to completing my 1957-76 OPC NHL hockey set. one of thethree cards I dont have is # 395. it is not listed on COMC, Deans, or cardboardconnection, or California Sports Cards. It shows as a card never produced. It is not listed in Bucket that the card wasnt produced. It shows a 396 card set. Somewhere along the way I got the name Chico Maki for # 395. My question is Does # 395 exist in the 1975-76 OPC set. Can anybody confirm this card exists? Do I stand a better chance of finding a T206 Wagner inmy collection that # 395. Thanks for the help. Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 08:37:07 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: OBC NE Shriner's show tomorrow From: Matthew Glidden Plan to hit Wilmington for the Shriner's Show tomorrow about 10-4. Anyone else I should look for? ================= Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:00:13 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC NE Shriner's show tomorrow From: Bob Donaldson I will be there this afternoon and possibly tomorrow On Friday, November 6, 2015, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Plan to hit Wilmington for the Shriner's Show tomorrow about 10-4. Anyone > else I should look for? > Spike ================= To: Bob Donaldson , Matthew Glidden Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:04:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC NE Shriner's show tomorrow From: richard dingman Hope to be there Saturday. Richard D To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 10:00:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC NE Shriner's show tomorrow I will be there this afternoon and possibly tomorrow On Friday, November 6, 2015, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Plan to hit Wilmington for the Shriner's Show tomorrow about 10-4. Anyone else I should look for? ================= Date: Fri, 6 Nov 2015 20:59:02 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings Subject: 71 topps coins From: John Dahms I recently stumbled on a nice sized lot of 71 topps coins, none of these any better than vg. hoping to parley some of these into hits to my own couple of coin sets. email me if interested thanks for looking 4 7(jenkins) 10 11(Torre) 12 14 17 19 20 21 24(carew) 25 33 36 38 47 48 50(F. robinson) 55 60 75(williams) 80(hunter) 82 109 112 114(B. robinson) 130 131 138 142 1971 topps coins wants 8(Felipe Alou) 69( Jim Wynn) 71(Roberto Clemente) 73(Gaylord Perry) 86(SamMcDowell) 101(Rusty Staub) 128(Tony Oliva) 145(Don Sutton) 150(Mike Cuellar) 1964 topps coins wantlist 55(Roberto Clemente) 56(Dick Ellsworth) 73(Frank Thomas) 78(Bill White) 80(Willie Mays) 83(Hank Aaron) 91(Dick Farrell) 105(Dave Wickersham) 120(Mickey thanks and let me know John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 06 Nov 2015 16:03:02 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Year Project. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 07 Nov 2015 05:15:43 -0800 To: Subject: Toronto show From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 07:29:51 -0600 Subject: Re: Year Project. From: "George Vrechek" I think the issue on the year by year project involves knowing something about the likelihood of a website redo that would include searchable data bases. Is the OBC-AC still considering a website redo? George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 12:34:54 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Thank you all From: BBC Trading To all my OBC brothers: I want to send out thanks to all of you for 2015. Last year was very hard on me (and my family as a result) and things have been getting better in 2015. I have a great new job and my health has improved quite a bit. Even though my activity has waned this year, so many of you still thought of me and sent me cards. This has been a driving factor in my well being this year. And keeping up on all of your emails over the servers has also helped. Just reading all the thanks to one another, and the generosity that pours out is up lifting. I'll have some things going out soon to some of you. Please do not feel a need to hit me back at all. I've received so much this year that I owe the group Thanks again and always remember that you guys are an amazing group. I am truly honored to be a member of OBC. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2015 18:42:12 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-DealerScum Subject: Musial trade bait From: Rob Bessette Hi guys, I have a couple of decent Stan Musial cards and a couple others I'm hoping to offer up in order to narrow down some sets that I'm getting real close on. 1958 Topps Stan Musial AS VG1960 Topps Stan Musial VG/EX1961 Topps Ron Santo RC F paper loss front1963 Topps Stan Musial low VG1964 Topps Lou Brock appears EX but tape mark on back Here are my needs... 1953 BOWMAN B&W26, 40, 50, 51, 52, 61 1962 TOPPS208, 320, 400, 523, 534, 572, 591, 593, 594, 596, 597 1963 TOPPS3, 173, 205, 218, 247, 264, 273, 279, 299, 300, 306, 316, 327, 353, 365, 394, 398, 407, 412, 415, 419, 420, 424, 426, 429, 433, 437, 443, 444, 449, 451, 453, 455, 456, 460, 465, 473, 475, 477, 482, 488, 495, 511, 518, 528, 537, 540, 559, 562, 575, 576 ================= Date: 07 Nov 2015 16:26:31 -0800 To: Subject: Toronto Day 2 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 01:56:15 -0500 To: "" Subject: Dayton Show From: ShoelessWes Similar to Mike in Toronto, the Dayton show was slim pickins' for deals. Did see a bunch of nice football, early Jim Brown stuff. Prices just seem a bit steep right now. Did pick up a 54 Topps ashburn upgrade for $10, and a pretty nice 51 bowmanduke snider #32 for $13 as an upgrade too. Nolan got a 1990 Topps hockey factory set at $3, picked out the Gretzky's. We went to a hockey game last night, and he's hooked on hockey! Hopefully the Cincinnati Moeller show will be a success later this month. Anyone thinking of going? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 09:15:10 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Dayton Show From: Tom Housley As always, count me in on the Moeller show! Picking were indeed very slim this month at Wright State; all I did was pick up about 5 1963 upgrades, a couple of OPC Reds from '71 that I didn't grab last month, and a 1977 Rose Pepsi insert. Wes had already come & gone by the time I arrived, though, so no OBC meet-up. Tom Housley ================= Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 10:42:19 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Meet up and show From: Rick Our semi annual northwest meet up and show was yesterday. Brian Lindholme,Dave Fallon and I hit the show when the doors opened. Dave handed me a bag of cards and said there was a card for me and the rest for my brothers 58 set. I told him I was waiting for a show thought that was a good way to get abunch of commons hits. His responds was here's a bunch of commons you can spend your money on stars. Was going to update the list during the show buthad internet problems and rookie mistake of not charging the iPad the night before I didn't even look at the 58's until I got home. Back to the show I didn't get much I would consider top priority except I had Mark Macrae pull some stuff from his inventory for me redman,golden press,49 leaf but thebig item was the 62 salada coin of mantle to get me down to two left to complete the set. Bought quite a few wide/fine pens so I'll get those sets update We went to our normal after show meal Thai then to the casino for little gambling. Brian won I didn't play Dave lost. Back at dave's we watch the huskies lose to Utah but they made the game close. After the game even though not real late I decide to go home cause had a long ride and ferry ride to get Before I went to bed I decided to start updating my lists starting with the58's there were 82 of them and Dave lead me to believe they were commons but my dictionary has a different definition of "commons" than his because there were stars in the lot notably an all star Mantle! Dave thank you very much that was above and beyond on your part. Brian handed me two t-205's we have had conversations in the past about prewar sets he is a big prewar guy I'm more a post war guy but if I had to pick only one prewar set to collect I really like that set. I have fought the temptation to start the set but I guess he is forcing me into it. Thanks Ithink or curses to you not sure yet. Another great day see you guys in sixmonths. Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2015 16:45:30 -0800 Subject: OBC-NW Meet up at Seattle Card Show From: David Fallen This week end was the semi-annual Washington State Sports Collectors Association card show -lot of vintage and mostly baseball. Brian Lindholm showed up at my place in Arlington around 4:30 or so, Friday night. He greeted me with graded T206 - Nap Lajoie with bat. Great way to kick-start the weekend! We went for our traditional Friday night Thai dinner with my wife, and from there we proceeded to the Village Theater in Everett to watch a stage production of Snapshot. Saturday Brian had our traditional IHOP breakfast and then headed for the card show. We arrived about 9:00 and met up with Rick Lyons. I found a ton of stuff at the show -- 4 Seattle Popcorn cards, 4 more T206's including 2 HOF'ers and 1 SL, 5 Zeenuts, 1 1960 Darigold Farms, and 3 1941 SkyBirds which I had never seen before. Also I scored a 1959 Seattle Rainiers autographed ball to complete you desired run of 1953 - But wait - there's more! Rick hit me with 3 great hits to my Mother's Cookies sets. Rick knows I LOVE anything PCL. Brian also slipped me another T206. Some guy named Sam Crawford. After the show, Brian, Rick, and I headed for another Thai restaurant, this time in Marysville after which we stopped briefly at my house and then headed for the local casino where I proceeded to insure that I would not go to the card show a second day. Brian, however, did win some while Rick watched on and wisely saved his dough for another day. Then back to my house for apple pie, popcorn, and the U Washington football game. Sadly, Rick had to take off for Whidby Island after that so he missed the standard Belgian Waffle / Bacon breakfast the next morning. Can't wait to do this all over again next June! Hopefully, Rick can arrange his schedule to attend the BW/B breakfast on Sunday. We would LOVE to include Diamante and Rainsley in the festivities as well. Hope springs eternal! Thanks Rick and Brian for the cards, but especially for the friendship and camaraderie! Dave Fallen ================= Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2015 22:19:51 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Wilmington show report From: Ken M Hi gang,  The semi-annual Shriner's show sponsored by the GBSCC was this weekend. Work held me to just plan on attending one day (Sunday). A last minute schedule change due to a visit by corporate bigshots coupled with my helper getting promoted (and subsequently transferred) had me working three shifts in two days (evening/morning/overnight in that order). This freed up my Friday night, so I stopped at the show for a couple hours. Didn't really find anything of note besides a few All American FB upgrades and a couple 71 Kellogg's variations. Did find a nice table loaded with vintage. He had a couple two-row boxes of baseball marked 'up to 95% off', as well as a similar football box. He also had a $1, $2 and $5 box that I pulled a few selections for my dupes box and DS pile. Didn't see anyone from OBC (nor did I really expect to showing up late and unannounced) until Joel Freedman caught me on his way out the door. Guess I missed everyone else, as a few of the dealers mentio ned seeing a bunch of guys from the group.  Saturday I worked until 3 and the show ran til 5, but the sleep pattern change from the previous two days caught up to me and I went home to sleep off a slight migraine for a couple hours instead.  Sunday had the show opening at 10 and work scheduled at 2. I was supposed to meet up with Spike to hand over some 4-pocket sheets I said I'd give him for his exhibits, but we never ran into each other. Stopped by that table again and it looked like he had loaded up those discount boxes some more. Pulled a couple cheap Mantles for the DS server (I can't seem to say no to The Mick at $50 or less). I grabbed a 59 and a 67, plus about a dozen more 79 Kellogg's variations for a c-note. Also grabbed the guy's business card. His name is Stan Loch and he's from OH - says he sets up at the Strongsville show a lot. Seemed like a decent guy. He seemed interested in what we do as a group and he does carry the cards we like - no discount offered to the group, but he did seem willing to make a good deal even better. You just have to find a few diamonds in the rough first though.  Also stopped by the Just Collect table. A dealer friend of mine that I've known for about 20 years was there and he showed me a couple stamp albums (61 and 62 Topps) from a collection they bought - every Topps set with most of the variations, plus a lot of the subsets from 1951 on... He told me they had already sold all of the main sets except for a '52 set they had on display for $22.5k - had to pass, as it was about 22.4k more that I had left to spend. I did pick up the two complete stamp albums with all the stamps stuck in them: BOTH for a hundred bucks. So now that I have these, I now have about a half dozen albums in various stages of completion, plus a couple piles of loose stamps to sell/trade. Anyone interested in 1961 or 1962 Topps stamps? I should have a waiver wire (and DS offering on that server) in a week or two. That's all for n ow. Thanks for reading, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 11:01:19 -0600 To: Ramblings Subject: Who do I owe? From: Steve Rittenberg I discovered that I've owed someone for their bird digging efforts for about three years now. Who else do I owe for similar efforts or just payback for their handshakes or I have a few people in mind but I have probably forgotten several other promises I made or debts incurred. I hope I will be allowed to repair the damage I've caused but understand that a poor reputation and unkept promises are not easily or quickly resolved. Steve Rittenberg Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 15:30:03 -0500 To: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington show report From: Joel Freedman I too attended the Wilmington show on Friday afternoon. I spoke to the dealer that is mentioned by Ken and Rob and talk to him about OBC. He was from Ohio and presents at the Strongville and other Ohio area shows. I was surprised to see that he drove the nine hours to present in Massachusetts. My time was spent in his .10 cent and .25 boxes, some good deals to be had for late sixties, early seventies, Philadelphia and Topps, baseball, basketball, football and hockey. Ken and I shook hands towards the end of the afternoon. Early that day I had a tooth pulled so it was time for me to go home and to sleep. I missed Rob and Bob Donaldson. There was a dealer at the other end of the show that had high numbers, mostly 71's for 2 bucks a piece. i managed to find two 1972 Topps high numbers, now i only need ten and after 43 years am pushing to complete this i met a dealer who primarily does vintage non sport. He had two 4000 count boxes of said material for a buck a card. if does not have an online website but if you have exhausted your possibilities of finding a non sport card, like garrison gorillas or 1970 odd rods, they were in his box. His name is Marty Krim, (martykrim@gmail.com). His business card states he specializes in collecting USA Non sport cards, tobacco cards, gum cards, candy cards, wax packs and wrappers. he was a very personable fellow and I enjoyed the time i spent as his table (for Guru). I think this is the best Massachusetts show, lots of vintage cards to be had at reasonable prices. Thanks for the vine. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I also got to check out the show last minute on Friday and spent a lot of > time at the same table that Ken mentioned (the up to 95% off table). The > guy was really nice and knowledgeable. He mentioned that he was a > collector himself and he really seemed to enjoy the hobby. I picked up a > bunch of 53 Bowman B&W hits from him as well as some 62 high numbers. I > know he had some 66 high numbers as well at decent prices. If I could have > gone back another day I probably would have spent most of my time at that > table. > Ken, we must have just crossed paths because the way he displayed his > cards I asked if he had heard of OBC, he said that someone was just talking > to him about it. He seemed quite interested. > Anyways, just figured I'd share a good experience with the group. It > really was a fun table to sort through. Wish I had more time to spend > there. > I also saw the table with all the complete sets. Pretty rare you see a 52 > Topps complete set for sale. I haven't really gotten into the set much, > but $22.5k seems like it would be a pretty good deal (although about $20k > out of my price range). The Mantle was SGC A and trimmed to heck, but > still cool to see all in one place. > Rob > On Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:20 PM, "Ken M cardclctor@aol.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Hi gang, > The semi-annual Shriner's show sponsored by the GBSCC was this weekend. > Work held me to just plan on attending one day (Sunday). A last minute > schedule change due to a visit by corporate bigshots coupled with my helper > getting promoted (and subsequently transferred) had me working three shifts > in two days (evening/morning/overnight in that order). This freed up my > Friday night, so I stopped at the show for a couple hours. Didn't really > find anything of note besides a few All American FB upgrades and a couple > 71 Kellogg's variations. Did find a nice table loaded with vintage. He had > a couple two-row boxes of baseball marked 'up to 95% off', as well as a > similar football box. He also had a $1, $2 and $5 box that I pulled a few > selections for my dupes box and DS pile. Didn't see anyone from OBC (nor > did I really expect to showing up late and unannounced) until Joel Freedman > caught me on his way out the door. Guess I missed everyone else, as a few > of the dealers mentioned seeing a bunch of guys from the group. > Saturday I worked until 3 and the show ran til 5, but the sleep pattern > change from the previous two days caught up to me and I went home to sleep > off a slight migraine for a couple hours instead. > Sunday had the show opening at 10 and work scheduled at 2. I was > supposed to meet up with Spike to hand over some 4-pocket sheets I said I'd > give him for his exhibits, but we never ran into each other. Stopped by > that table again and it looked like he had loaded up those discount boxes > some more. Pulled a couple cheap Mantles for the DS server (I can't seem to > say no to The Mick at $50 or less). I grabbed a 59 and a 67, plus a bout a > dozen more 79 Kellogg's variations for a c-note. Also grabbed the guy's > business card. His name is Stan Loch and he's from OH - says he sets up at > the Strongsville show a lot. Seemed like a decent guy. He seemed interested > in what we do as a group and he does carry the cards we like - no discount > offered to the group, but he did seem willing to make a good deal even > better. You just have to find a few diamonds in the rough first though. > Also stopped by the Just Collect table. A dealer friend of mine that > I've known for about 20 years was there and he showed me a couple stamp > albums (61 and 62 Topps) from a collection they bought - every Topps set > with most of the variations, plus a lot of the subsets from 1951 on... He > told me they had already sold all of the main sets except for a '52 set > they had on display for $22.5k - had to pass, as it was about 22.4k more > that I had left to spend. I did pick up the two complete stamp albums with > all the stamps stuck in them: BOTH for a hundred bucks. So now that I have > these, I now have about a half dozen albums in various stages of > completion, plus a couple piles of loose stamps to sell/trade. Anyone > interested in 1961 or 1962 Topps stamps? I should have a waiver wire (and > DS offering on that server) in a week or two. That's all for now. Thanks > for reading, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: "'Joel Freedman'" , Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 16:11:47 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington show report From: "Bob Donaldson" Here=E2=99s my show report. I attended Friday noon to 3pm and came backfor a few hours Saturday. Thanks to my new maroon OBC shirt, I was recognized by many dealers and even a Net54er. Had some nice conversations. One of the dealers, Mike Mackie, was very friendly and said he already had a big OBC-only box for the National. Also, ran into Sean on Saturday and had lunch and good conversation with him on Saturday. Unfortunately, did not meet up with any other OBCers (just missed Joel), Found a nice dime box and got some 58-65=E2=99s for a dime and also some 72 high numbers. Picked up a handful of Exhibits and also an M110-4 for $15. On the negative, did not find any E121s and most of the pre-ware cards I was interested in we outside my budget. Still not feeling a 100% recovered from my pneumonia, so I crashed early both days and spent well under $100, the least I=E2=99ve ever spent at a Shriner=E2=99s show. All the more reason to be ready for the National I guess. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, November 9, 2015 3:30 PM To: Rob Bessette Cc: Ken M ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wilmington show report I too attended the Wilmington show on Friday afternoon. I spoke to the dealer that is mentioned by Ken and Rob and talk to him about OBC. He was from Ohio and presents at the Strongville and other Ohio area shows. I was surprised to see that he drove the nine hours to present in Massachusetts. My time was spent in his .10 cent and .25 boxes, some good deals to be had for late sixties, early seventies, Philadelphia and Topps, baseball, basketball, football and hockey. Ken and I shook hands towards the end of the afternoon. Early that day I had a tooth pulled so it was time for me to go home and to sleep. I missed Rob and Bob Donaldson. There was a dealer at the other end of the show that had high numbers, mostly 71's for 2 bucks a piece. i managed to find two 1972 Topps high numbers, now i only need ten and after 43 years am pushing to complete this set. i met a dealer who primarily does vintage non sport. He had two 4000 countboxes of said material for a buck a card. if does not have an online website but if you have exhausted your possibilities of finding a non sport card, like garrison gorillas or 1970 odd rods, they were in his box. His name is Marty Krim, (martykrim@gmail.com ). His business card states he specializes in collecting USA Non sport cards, tobacco cards, gum cards, candy cards, wax packs and wrappers. he was a very personable fellow and I enjoyed the time i spent as his table (for Guru). I think this is the best Massachusetts show, lots of vintage cards to be had at reasonable prices. Thanks for the vine. On Sun, Nov 8, 2015 at 10:49 PM, Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: I also got to check out the show last minute on Friday and spent a lot of time at the same table that Ken mentioned (the up to 95% off table). The guy was really nice and knowledgeable. He mentioned that he was a collector himself and he really seemed to enjoy the hobby. I picked up a bunch of 53Bowman B&W hits from him as well as some 62 high numbers. I know he had some 66 high numbers as well at decent prices. If I could have gone back another day I probably would have spent most of my time at that table. Ken, we must have just crossed paths because the way he displayed his cardsI asked if he had heard of OBC, he said that someone was just talking to him about it. He seemed quite interested. Anyways, just figured I'd share a good experience with the group. It really was a fun table to sort through. Wish I had more time to spend there. I also saw the table with all the complete sets. Pretty rare you see a 52 Topps complete set for sale. I haven't really gotten into the set much, but $22.5k seems like it would be a pretty good deal (although about $20k outof my price range). The Mantle was SGC A and trimmed to heck, but still cool to see all in one place. On Sunday, November 8, 2015 10:20 PM, "Ken M cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: Hi gang, The semi-annual Shriner's show sponsored by the GBSCC was this weekend. Work held me to just plan on attending one day (Sunday). A last minute schedule change due to a visit by corporate bigshots coupled with my helper getting promoted (and subsequently transferred) had me working three shifts in two days (evening/morning/overnight in that order). This freed up my Fridaynight, so I stopped at the show for a couple hours. Didn't really find anything of note besides a few All American FB upgrades and a couple 71 Kellogg's variations. Did find a nice table loaded with vintage. He had a couple two-row boxes of baseball marked 'up to 95% off', as well as a similar football box. He also had a $1, $2 and $5 box that I pulled a few selections for my dupes box and DS pile. Didn't see anyone from OBC (nor did I really expect to showing up late and unannounced) until Joel Freedman caught me on his way out the door. Guess I missed everyone else, as a few of the dealers mentioned seeing a bunch of guys from the group. Saturday I worked until 3 and the show ran til 5, but the sleep pattern change from the previous two days caught up to me and I went home to sleep off a slight migraine for a couple hours instead. Sunday had the show opening at 10 and work scheduled at 2. I was supposedto meet up with Spike to hand over some 4-pocket sheets I said I'd give him for his exhibits, but we never ran into each other. Stopped by that tableagain and it looked like he had loaded up those discount boxes some more. Pulled a couple cheap Mantles for the DS server (I can't seem to say no to The Mick at $50 or less). I grabbed a 59 and a 67, plus a bout a dozen more79 Kellogg's variations for a c-note. Also grabbed the guy's business card. His name is Stan Loch and he's from OH - says he sets up at the Strongsville show a lot. Seemed like a decent guy. He seemed interested in what we do as a group and he does carry the cards we like - no discount offered to the group, but he did seem willing to make a good deal even better. You justhave to find a few diamonds in the rough first though. Also stopped by the Just Collect table. A dealer friend of mine that I'veknown for about 20 years was there and he showed me a couple stamp albums (61 and 62 Topps) from a collection they bought - every Topps set with mostof the variations, plus a lot of the subsets from 1951 on... He told me they had already sold all of the main sets except for a '52 set they had on display for $22.5k - had to pass, as it was about 22.4k more that I had leftto spend. I did pick up the two complete stamp albums with all the stamps stuck in them: BOTH for a hundred bucks. So now that I have these, I now have about a half dozen albums in various stages of completion, plus a couplepiles of loose stamps to sell/trade. Anyone interested in 1961 or 1962 Topps stamps? I should have a waiver wire (and DS offering on that server) in a week or two. That's all for now. Thanks for reading, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2015 22:02:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC and Net 54 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Just got a message on Net54 from another guy who would like to join. I worked out a trade of 68s for him and it went very well. Seems to be, the best way to add to the membership here is to search the boards and start to make a trade with someone. Of course, all the while extolling the virtues of OBC. I had great experiences with Anthony and Alvin, and Chris was just as Pretty good way of recruiting. I was able to move cards that you guys already had and I got a few holes filled in my sets. Search them out, there are trades to be made (but I still wont trade a 69 All-Star Bench for a Buster Posey anything...). Now if I could find something for that guy who has pics of EVERY variation known to man, that would make my day (did someone say 67 Speizio?)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: 09 Nov 2015 19:18:14 -0800 To: Subject: Re: OBC and Net 54 From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:16:55 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: 1968 Milton Bradley exchange From: Jake Elwell I know some guys collect the '68 Milton Bradley set so I went through and identified which of the cards in my '68 Topps set are MBs. I figure they should go to people who are specializing and I'd be willing to trade them even-up. I have: 68 Milton Bradley: 117, 120, 124, 127, 128, 129, 146, 155 (Lonborg WS), 168 (Dodgers TC), 180 (Flood), 195 In return I'd be glad to accept the same card(s) from the Topps set. If youcan't swing that then priority would go to any other needed '68 card and then any other hit from my priority sets from the same era. My lists are as follows: 1968 Topps Baseball Wantlist 177 (Ryan) 230 (Rose) 247 (Bench RC) 378 384 408 480 487 490 503 505 520 523 527 528 534 536 575 589 1969 Topps Baseball Wantlist 168 (Lolich WS) 190 (Mays) 246 250 (F Robbie) 260 (Reggie RC) 270 288 372 500 (Mantle) 513 533 (Ryan) 539 570 572 1970 Topps Baseball Wantlist 595 (Wills) 715 (Lolich) 1972 Topps Baseball Wantlist 546 560 (Rose IA) 595 600 (Kaline) 635 651 658 659 666 668 672 675 678 679 680 686 688 691 692 693 694 695 697 698 699 700 702 705 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 719 721 723 724 727 730 731 735 736 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 749 751 752 754 755 756 761 762 763 766 767 771 775 776 780 781 785 786 787 LMK and thanks, Jake Elwell 35 Scofieldtown Rd., Stamford, CT 06903 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 15:08:59 -0500 Subject: Jake E - 1968 Milton Bradley exchange From: richard dingman I could use #155. LMK if available and I will find something for you. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Wantlist-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 12:16:55 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 1968 Milton Bradley exchange I know some guys collect the '68 Milton Bradley set so I went throughand identified which of the cards in my '68 Topps set are MBs. I figure they should go to people who are specializing and I'd be willing to trade them I have: 68 Milton Bradley: 117, 120, 124, 127, 128, 129, 146, 155 (Lonborg WS), 168 (Dodgers TC), 180 (Flood), 195 In return I'd be glad to accept the same card(s) from the Topps set. If youcan't swing that then priority would go to any other needed '68 card and then any other hit from my priority sets from the same era. My lists are as follows: 1968 Topps Baseball Wantlist 177 (Ryan) 230 (Rose) 247 (Bench RC) 378 384 408 480 487 490 503 505 520 523 527 528 534 536 575 589 1969 Topps Baseball Wantlist 168 (Lolich WS) 190 (Mays) 246 250 (F Robbie) 260 (Reggie RC) 270 288 372 500 (Mantle) 513 533 (Ryan) 539 570 572 1970 Topps Baseball Wantlist 595 (Wills) 715 (Lolich) 1972 Topps Baseball Wantlist 546 560 (Rose IA) 595 600 (Kaline) 635 651 658 659 666 668 672 675 678 679 680 686 688 691 692 693 694 695 697 698 699 700 702 705 709 710 711 712 713 714 715 719 721 723 724 727 730 731 735 736 738 739 740 741 742 743 744 749 751 752 754 755 756 761 762 763 766 767 771 775 776 780 781 785 786 787 LMK and thanks, Jake Elwell 35 Scofieldtown Rd., Stamford, CT 06903 ================= Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:15:33 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 'Tis the Season From: Joshua Levine I do not remember who is in charge but did I miss an email...A very old OBC tradition is the OBC gift exchange....I cannot wait!! ================= To: "'Joshua Levine'" , Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:17:14 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 'Tis the Season From: "Bob Donaldson" Wow! I=E2=99m in the process of typing up the message! Should be out in a couple of minutes From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2015 4:16 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 'Tis the Season I do not remember who is in charge but did I miss an email...A very old OBCtradition is the OBC gift exchange....I cannot wait!! ================= To: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 16:19:16 -0500 Subject: OBC XMas Exchange 2015 From: "Bob Donaldson" Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, a few days after Hanukkah (11 I believe), the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server How it works. 1. REPLY DIRECTLY TO THIS EMAIL (please do not send a new message as it may miss my email filter), put with your name in the message, that will make it easier to track things. Or send an email to me with " OBC XMas Exchange 2015" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. Please make sure OBC XMas Exchange 2015 is in the subject line! That makes it easy to track. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique, 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, and send it out. NOTE: We are running a little late this year so hurry up and respond. I will try to get assignments out ASAP Merry Christmas! Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:10:08 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: 1961 Jays Publishing DODGERS pack on sportlots From: mark zentkovich fyi if anyone needs... mark z Sportlots Auctions: 1961 12 DODGERS BASEBALL STARS 5by7 pictures EX-NM | | | | | | | | | | | Sportlots Auctions: 1961 12 DODGERS BASEBALL STA...Register Sell Learn More Register to Sell Auctions Baseball(745) Graded(42) 1900-1989(28) 1990-1999(5) 2000-2009(7) 2010-Now(2) Lots(242) 1900-1989(62) 1990... | | | | View on www.sportlots.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 00:21:28 +0000 Subject: Xmas exchange From: "Hitzeman, Steven A." Im in ================= To: Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2015 20:14:14 -0600 Subject: Winter addresses From: "George Vrechek" We will be away from Chicago and in California from 11/20 to 3/15 this winter. I take along my duplicates, hit a few shows, and remain active in OBC during this time, perhaps even more active. It is always nice to have some cardboard going back and forth. I always manage to find some stories for SCD that feature Californians, eg Dwight Chapin and Topps photographer Doug McWilliams which will run soon in SCD. Having the post office forward our mail had poor results last year, although everything eventually arrived. This year every two weeks a neighbor will forward anything that comes to our home address in Chicago. So, if you prefer, or if you lose track of this email, you can continue to send things to me through Chicago at our address in the directory. (I don't want to change my address in the directory and further confuse people in the long run.) However, if you want to send anything more quickly, you can send it as If you have anything to send my way between now and December 24th, you can send it to our daughter: Mary Shoval 627 A York St. San Francisco, CA 94110 Don't put my name on it or you'll confuse the mail people. After December 24th (actually arriving Dec 29), we will be in Manhattan Beach, California. Anything can be sent to me addressed as follows through say March 6th. George Vrechek c/o The Sea View Inn at the Beach 3400 Highland Ave. Manhattan Beach, CA 90266 Thanks for reading. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 01:05:16 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OPC Prices From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Does anyone have a guide with OPC in them? For some reason, my last SCD doesn't break down OPC's and lumps them together with no clear value. I need to find semi current values for those on my Met list... Also, just soliciting opinions...how high would you go for a 71 high number? The prices I am seeing are Mantle-Like. OPC Mets =E2=93 10/21/15 Need 12 1968- 177 (Ryan),191 (Frisella) 1971- 573 (Kranepool),596 (Jorgensen),641 (Team),648 (Rookies), 687 (Taylor),751 (Weis) 1972- 347 (Seaver Boyhood), 445 (Seaver),446 (Seaver IA) 1974- 629 (Staub) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 03:29:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "Ramblings (OBC)" Subject: One last thing From: Geordie Calvert I forgot to include one thing in my "Appreciations" email: thank you to any and all of the veterans in OBC. Thank you so, so much for your service. ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 00:06:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Some good reading... From: ChicoD1@aol.com http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/stolen-1975-topps-set-leads-to-act-of-k Reminded me of the set we put together here within 48 hours... Well done Bob! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 13:36:35 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: UV server From: EEK A little help......I recently discovered that I no longer have access to the UV server? Earl Kilbourn"we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 05:52:25 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card From: Rick Any thoughts on if this is original or fake? Zero feedback and this is the first card you sell? Red flag I know. Last card I need for the set let me know if I should bid. Rick View item: 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card End Time: Nov 13, 2015, 7:59:26 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:05:36 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card From: Ken M Rick,  The seller does have a couple other lots up - from roughly the same time frame. The 59 Mantle and Unitas RC look really nice. The early 60's bb lot is mixed, although the stars don't look similar to the commons. I'm naturally leery, so I might stay away. Could be legit though. Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Thu, Nov 12, 2015 8:52 AMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card Any thoughts on if this is original or fake? Zero feedback and this is the first card you sell? Red flag I know. Last card I need for the set let me know if I should bid. Rick  View item: 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card End Time: Nov 13, 2015, 7:59:26 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Rick Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 14:12:02 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card From: Mac Wubben ================= To: "'Mac Wubben'" , Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 09:17:42 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card From: "Bob Donaldson" Can=E2=99t you get your money back if it=E2=99s fake, from paypal. If so, think of it as a lottery ticket. You never know =E2=A6 Bob =E2=9Cwishing he=E2=99d bought the complete set for $4.95 in 1974, but didn=E2=99t because Ted Williams was not included=E2=9D Donaldson From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:12 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card Not even going to look at the card. I wouldn't bid. Pay a fair market price for the card and move on From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card Any thoughts on if this is original or fake? Zero feedback and this is the first card you sell? Red flag I know. Last card I need for the set let me know if I should bid. Rick View item: 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card End Time: Nov 13, 2015, 7:59:26 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Rick's Email'" Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2015 10:52:15 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card [1 Attachment] From: "Bob Donaldson" Did you use PayPal, and if so did you try them? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rick's Email ricktopps@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 10:47 AM To: Bob Donaldson Cc: Mac Wubben ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Rick's Email included below] I had one situation with eBay where I purchased three big name 53 Topps cards. This was some years ago, but eBay wouldn't refund my money unless I proved the cards were fake by getting them graded and rejected. I know that sounds odd, but I was stuck with the loss. I didn't know how to go about getting the cards graded and I just ended up eating the loss and was reminded that when its too good to be true there is a strong chance of getting screwed. Rick Johnson Sent from my iPhone On Nov 12, 2015, at 8:17 AM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > wrote: Can=E2=99t you get your money back if it=E2=99s fake, from paypal. If so, think of it as a lottery ticket. You never know =E2=A6 Bob =E2=9Cwishing he=E2=99d bought the complete set for $4.95 in 1974, but didn=E2=99t because Ted Williams was not included=E2=9D Donaldson From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 9:12 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Rick > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card Not even going to look at the card. I wouldn't bid. Pay a fair market price for the card and move on From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > onbehalf of Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2015 8:52 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card Any thoughts on if this is original or fake? Zero feedback and this is the first card you sell? Red flag I know. Last card I need for the set let me know if I should bid. Rick View item: 1954 red heart Mickey mantle card pages.ebay.com End Time: Nov 13, 2015, 7:59:26 PM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 05:22:52 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Mantle red heart From: Rick Question for those that have a mantle. The first picture of a card listed as a reprint has the John morrell in the lower left corner. Second one is the one I asked about couple days ago it too has the John morrell in corner. Last two pictures is a new listing as original but has nothing in the lowerleft corner. Does your mantles have the writing in the bottom corner or missing. Did originals come with and without? ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:32:09 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Mantle red heart From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Rick a quick eBay scan of the PSA graded Mantles all show the =E2=9CJohnMorrell & Co.=E2=9D and =E2=9CLitho in U.S.A.=E2=9D info in the lower left corner. Just checked my raw Mantle and it=E2=99s there too. ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:30:04 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Net54 Drama From: BBC Trading Hey guys. Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of Shame aboutLeon banning people, being called out for being outed trying to sell a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the boardas much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's it been like over there lately? Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:48:32 -0500 To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama From: Joshua Levine Seriously....do not believe anything Hauls of Shame prints...it is run by a crook who has outstanding warrants and judgements against him...he hates Leon because Leon stands up to his crap. The Peck and Snyder thing was made right by Leon, the forum is not being sold, and Leon RARELY bans people. The clown that runs Hauls is truly a scumbag in the hobby and stole, sold, ripped off, etc. so many people it is sad. -----Original Message----- From: BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 9:30 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama Hey guys. Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of Shame about Leon banning people, being called out for being outed trying to sell a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the board as much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's it been like over there lately? Andy Huntoon Sent from my Posted by: BBC Trading OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at Groups Links (Yahoo! ID https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= To: Joshua Levine , "cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com" Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:13:05 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama From: Taylor Schock As they say in other fora... +1 My question would be... knowing this, does anyone still frequent Halls of Shame? To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:48:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama Seriously....do not believe anything Hauls of Shame prints...it is run by a crook who has outstanding warrants and judgements against him...he hates Leon because Leon stands up to his crap. The Peck and Snyder thing wasmade right by Leon, the forum is not being sold, and Leon RARELY bans people. The clown that runs Hauls is truly a scumbag in the hobby and stole, sold, ripped off, etc. so many people it is sad. -----Original Message----- From: BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 9:30 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama Hey guys. Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of Shame about Leon banning people, being called out for being outed trying tosell a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the board as much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's it been like over there lately? Andy Huntoon Sent from my Posted by: BBC Trading OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each posted message. Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at Groups Links (Yahoo! ID https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:26:25 -0500 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama From: BBC Trading Ok. Glad to hear the responses. I knew I'd get better info from you guys than halls of shame. I've always heard it was a joke outfit that should be discounted but wanted to hear from actual folks that have been on the board. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Taylor Schock wrote: > As they say in other fora... +1 > My question would be... knowing this, does anyone still frequent Halls ofShame? > Regards, > Taylor > To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:48:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama > Seriously....do not believe anything Hauls of Shame prints...it is run bya crook who has outstanding warrants and judgements against him...he hatesLeon because Leon stands up to his crap. The Peck and Snyder thing was made right by Leon, the forum is not being sold, and Leon RARELY bans people. The clown that runs Hauls is truly a scumbag in the hobby and stole, sold, ripped off, etc. so many people it is sad. > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 9:30 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama > Hey guys. > Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of > Shame about Leon banning people, being called out for being outed trying to > a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the > as much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's it been > like over there lately? > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my > iPhone > ------------------------------------ > Posted by: BBC Trading > > ------------------------------------ > The > OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each > posted message. > Although discussion of topics of general interest is > permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing > on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) > is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is > governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules > of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at > www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo > Groups Links > (Yahoo! ID > required) > OBC-Ramblings-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com > https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:27:57 -0500 To: BBC Trading Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama From: Jimi Thayer Yes well said Joshua, you beat me to it. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:26 PM, BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ok. Glad to hear the responses. I knew I'd get better info from you guys than halls of shame. I've always heard it was a joke outfit that should be discounted but wanted to hear from actual folks that have been on the board. > Andy > Sent from my iPhone >> On Nov 13, 2015, at 1:13 PM, Taylor Schock wrote: >> As they say in other fora... +1 >> My question would be... knowing this, does anyone still frequent Halls of Shame? ;) >> Regards, >> Taylor >> To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 12:48:32 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama >> Seriously....do not believe anything Hauls of Shame prints...it is run by a crook who has outstanding warrants and judgements against him...he hates Leon because Leon stands up to his crap. The Peck and Snyder thing was made right by Leon, the forum is not being sold, and Leon RARELY bans people.The clown that runs Hauls is truly a scumbag in the hobby and stole, sold,ripped off, etc. so many people it is sad. >> Joshua >> -----Original Message----- >> From: BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> To: OBC Ramblings >> Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2015 9:30 am >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama >> Hey guys. >> Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of >> Shame about Leon banning people, being called out for being outed tryingto >> a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the >> as much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's itbeen >> like over there lately? >> Andy Huntoon >> Sent from my >> iPhone >> ------------------------------------ >> Posted by: BBC Trading >> >> ------------------------------------ >> The >> OBC-AC would like to remind members to sign their names at the end of each >> posted message. >> Although discussion of topics of general interest is >> permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing >> on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) >> is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. >> OBC is >> governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. TheRules >> of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at >> www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html >> ------------------------------------ >> Yahoo >> Groups Links >> (Yahoo! ID >> required) >> OBC-Ramblings-fullfeatured@yahoogroups.com >> https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ ================= To: LAWRENCE TIPTON , OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 13:29:10 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Mantle red heart From: Taylor Schock FWIW... the reprint I have does NOT have this text there. It DOES have "Reprint" in that location, just under the batting average. I'm sure the paper stock (white and slick) is different from the original, but unless it's in hand, that's obvious hard to tell. I'd be more wary of those without the line, especially if that area seems rubbed out (obviously). Also as SCD notes, these were still sent out by mail request into the '70s.It is not noted whether that was just an overstock of what was already printed, or there were multiple printings. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 09:32:09 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Mantle red heart Rick a quick eBay scan of the PSA graded Mantles all show the =93JohnMorrell & Co.=94 and =93Litho in U.S.A.=94 info in the lower left corner. Just checked my raw Mantle and it=92s there too. ================= To: "'BBC Trading'" , Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 14:11:26 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama From: "Bob Donaldson" I would echo what has already been said by Josh. Regarding the Peck and Snyder, Leon put the bulk of his "type card" collection up for sale a little while ago , including the Peck and Snyder. Word got out that the P&S might be stolen from the NYPL. To make a long story short Leon returned the card to the library. Still he got a lot of crap from some Net54ers as they thought he should have returned the card sooner, but Leon first did due diligence to satisfy himself that the card was the one stolen from the NYPL, not that the NYPL never knew about the card or asked for it back. Leon does from time to time ban people, at least for a while. Given the amount of childish comments and bullying that goes on there (by a minority), I cannot blame him. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:30 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama Hey guys. Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of Shame about Leon banning people, being called out for being outed trying to sell a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the board as much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's it been like over there lately? Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 20:33:04 +0000 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Scratch and dent sale (okay, trimmed and worn waiver wire) From: Have a few less than lovely cards for the waiver wire: 1952 Bowman's that unfortunately had a bit taken of the bottom (about 1/2 inch) 35 Granny Hammer and 79 Lou Brissie 1952 Bowman that looks like it was pasted in a scrapbook and lost a lot of its back 78 Lloyde Merriman 1950 Bowman trimmed all around (why would you trip a card this small??) 42 Art Houtteman 1972 Kellogg's All Time Greats-- Cy Young and Eddie Collins--lets just say neither is cracked up to what they used to be. 1960 569 Camilo Pascaul--clearly pathetic Topps 1970 Scratchoff Willie Stargell--only the front half Note, it is my understanding that all of these guys have various forms of monophobia, so they will probably not travel unaccompanied by a responsible complete card or two. Just don't want to send them to a home where they will feel unwanted. ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 16:39:11 -0500 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama From: ShoelessWes Another echo here too Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2015, at 2:11 PM, 'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I would echo what has already been said by Josh. > Regarding the Peck and Snyder, Leon put the bulk of his =E2=9Ctype card=E2=9D collection up for sale a little while ago , including the Peck and Snyder. Word got out that the P&S might be stolen from the NYPL. To make a long story short Leon returned the card to the library. Still he got a lot of crap from some Net54ers as they thought he should have returned the card sooner, but Leon first did due diligence to satisfy himself that thecard was the one stolen from the NYPL, not that the NYPL never knew abo utthe card or asked for it back. > Leon does from time to time ban people, at least for a while. Given the amount of childish comments and bullying that goes on there (by a minority), I cannot blame him. > Thanks > Bob > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BBC Trading cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Friday, November 13, 2015 12:30 PM > To: OBC Ramblings > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Net54 Drama > Hey guys. > Anyone still frequent Net54? I just read the story on Hauls of Shame about Leon banning people, being called out for being outed trying to sell a stolen Peck & Snyder, selling the forum to Beckett. I don't frequent the board as much as I used to so I haven't seen any of this. Have you? What's it been like over there lately? > Andy Huntoon > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 22:22:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OPCbaseball.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I'm sure a few of you guys are aware of this site, some maybe not. I have to tell you I just had a GREAT experience with the owner of the site. As you know, I have been scouring for the last 12 OPCs in my Met run and came across this site. There doesn't seem to be much to choose from, but I emailed Tom and send him my list. Within no time, he told me some that he had and put them on the site for me. Prices seem quite fair (much better than anywhere else I have seen any of these cards). Quick response, ultra courteous, and went out of his way to see if he had what I was looking for. I'll let you know once I receive the cards, but if you are looking for OPCs, check out the site and if you don't see what you want, get a hold of him via email or message him on facebook (that's how our conversation started). https://www.facebook.com/opcbaseball/?fref=ts http://www.opcbaseball.com/ Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2015 23:14:01 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Black lights From: OBC Nick P Sorry I know this has been a topic of discussion a few times but I was bored at work today and started thinking bout it. Now I can't remember what was Using black lights helps to identify fakes of what sets? The T's like t206 or is it the goudeys? Is it both? Nick Pelletier ================= To: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 08:37:09 -0600 Subject: Re: Net54 Drama From: "George Vrechek" I have a different take on this. Peter Nash's stuff is certainly sensationalistic and caustic. I am amazed he writes what he does without apparently worrying about libel actions - which makes me think that he feels he is on pretty good ground. His articles show considerable investigation, perhaps spurred on by a bit of vendetta. No one else writes this kind of stuff and publications don't pick fights with potentially big advertisers. Which also makes me feel that the hobby isn't going to police itself and that investigations need to continue - by law enforcement. What I get out of reading Nash's stuff is not to assume that memorabilia is untainted or believe everything you read - including Nash's stuff. What he has written about Mastro echos info that will likely send some of the group to prison. I was disappointed in how the Mastro group dealt with good-guy Lionel Carter. The hobby has not had a good history of fair play. I will reserve judgment until the entire story comes out, as well as keeping my distance from taking a position with any certainty on any of these George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 10:15:39 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: black lights From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Link to SCD article =E2=9CHow to use a black light to ID reprints and fakes os antique paper collectibles: http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/using-black-light-identify-reprints-fakes-antique-paper-collectibles/ ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:41:18 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: Sun Times Show - Chicago From: Mike Mackie Hi everyone - Just wondering who might be attending the Chicago Sun Times shows next weekend. I know Nick is coming down; I"ll be there Saturdayafternoon only. Anyone else from the Chicago area or FOOT (or otherwise)? Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 17:46:11 -0600 To: Mike Mackie , yahoogroups Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago From: John Leroux ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 19:13:28 -0500 To: Mike Mackie , yahoogroups Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago From: JDahms ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:44:56 -0500 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, macknife13@prodigy.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I too am unable to make this show. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Mike Mackie ; yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 7:13 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hey Mike, I am unable to do the show next weekend. Definately planning onthe spring show for sure Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings]" Date: 11/14/2015 4:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: yahoogroups Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hi everyone - Just wondering who might be attending the Chicago Sun Times shows next weekend. I know Nick is coming down; I"ll be there Saturday afternoon only. Anyone else from the Chicago area or FOOT (or otherwise)? Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 06:11:17 -0600 To: Ramblings Subject: Book waivers From: Steve Rittenberg I am trying to thin out some of the clutter all over my house. I have a pile of sports-related books that either I haven't read or started and never finished. I'm having a hard time letting go so even those these are on thewaiver wire, I feel like o should finish them before moving them out. If you are interested in these, let me know. Help with postage would be nice for a couple of the heavy ones. Red Sox Fan Book - 100 years of little known facts, stays, etc. This one is ready for a new home. Great Quarterbacks - 100 page book published in 1983. Features Unitas, Dawson, Bamath, Jurgensen, Starr, Staubach, Tittle, Tarkenton, Griese, Bradshaw. Ready for a new home. Babe Ruth by Tom Meany. 174 page paperback from 1948. Comes in a bag because pages falling out. I haven't finished it but it is ready for a new home. Great Teams of Pro Football, 1964-64. About 200 page paperback in a Baggiebecause the pages are loose. I read it. Ready for a new home. Joe Willie by Jim Burke in 1975. Story of Namath. I'd like to finish thisshort Willie Mays, The Life, The Legend. Comprehensive 600 page book from 2010. I started it and feel I should finish it. But minding know when that willbe. The Natural by Malamud. A 1974 printing of the 1952 classic. Started but did not finish. I feel I should. Maybe I can find a free digital version from a library. Red Sox Fever by Ellery Clark in 1979. Small (5x7) hardback history of RedSox. Ready to find a new home. Pitching by Malcolm Child. 1953 hardcover. Small 3x5 instructional book. About 80 pages. Lots of ball players on cover with a page about their mechanics at the back. Ready for a new home. Mr. Frank Merriwell. 1944 book that updates the turn of century stories about Merriwell. I started this but it is ready for a new home. Faithful by O'Nan and Stephen King about 2004 Red Sox. I feel I should read before finding a new home. Hardcover. Cardboard Legends. 27 short (4-5) page interviews. About 20 baseball plus Unitas, Baugh, West, Russell. Published by SCD in 2010. Haven't read it but We played the game. Thick 600 page hardcover book with memories of baseball's greatest era. May send to former professor possibly in poor health. Haven't read. Probably should. But will move it out anyway. That's it for now. I can think f at least two other places where there arepiles of books. I will list those depending on interest in these. Reply to me directly because I am reading Ramblings on the web as I try to get my inbox in order. Thanks Steve Rittenberg Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 07:00:20 -0600 Subject: Re: Sun Times Show - Chicago From: "George Vrechek" I won't even be at the Chicago show since we are heading to San Francisco the day before. I will make Mark Macrae's show in San Leandro, California, on 11/28. George Vrechek ================= Date: 15 Nov 2015 07:44:14 -0800 To: Subject: Net54 From: bdangelo@aol.com ================= Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 19:33:24 +0000 (UTC) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago From: talbot1@comcast.net I will NOT be in attendance - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: jd3681@yahoo.com, macknife13@prodigy.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:44:56 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago I too am unable to make this show. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Mike Mackie ; yahoogroups Sent: Sat, Nov 14, 2015 7:13 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hey Mike, I am unable to do the show next weekend. Definately planning on the spring show for sure Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings]" < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: 11/14/2015 4:41 PM (GMT-05:00) To: yahoogroups < obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hi everyone - Just wondering who might be attending the Chicago Sun Times shows next weekend. I know Nick is coming down; I"ll be there Saturday afternoon only. Anyone else from the Chicago area or FOOT (or otherwise)? Mike Mackie ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 01:02:38 +0000 (UTC) To: Subject: Sun Times Show From: Ron Perry I am planning on attending. This depends on the weather which at this time looks pretty good. ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 01:47:45 +0000 (UTC) To: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago From: tvalacak@comcast.net Hey gang, I have treatments this week on Thursday and Friday. The treatments wipe meout, leaving me very fatigued on both of those days and Saturday as well. I am going to try and make it on Sunday though. Will see T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:41:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hi everyone - Just wondering who might be attending the Chicago Sun Times shows next weekend. I know Nick is coming down; I"ll be there Saturdayafternoon only. Anyone else from the Chicago area or FOOT (or otherwise)? Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:33:51 -0500 To: tvalacak@comcast.net, macknife13@prodigy.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Best of luck with the treatments. We will all be thinking of you. I still need to send along your Toronto finds to your OPC BB list. So even if you do not make the Sun Times show it will as if you were at a show. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Mike Mackie Cc: yahoogroups Sent: Sun, Nov 15, 2015 8:47 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hey gang, I have treatments this week on Thursday and Friday. The treatments wipe meout, leaving me very fatigued on both of those days and Saturday as well. I am going to try and make it on Sunday though. Will see T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Mackie macknife13@prodigy.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: yahoogroups Sent: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 21:41:18 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show - Chicago Hi everyone - Just wondering who might be attending the Chicago Sun Times shows next weekend. I know Nick is coming down; I"ll be there Saturday afternoon only. Anyone else from the Chicago area or FOOT (or otherwise)? Mike Mackie ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:06:42 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: eBay 0 feedback From: Rob Bessette Do I dare buy something from someone with 0 feedback? Everything looks legit, I just emailed for more pics and details. I realize I should probably stay away, but everyone has to start at 0, right? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 09:14:24 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay 0 feedback From: JAY TYSVER I guess if they are starting off with a rating of 0 and offering a 1952 Mickey Mantle, I'd stay away. If they are offering a 1970 Lowell Palmer, I'd probably bite. Jay Tysver To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:06:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay 0 feedback Do I dare buy something from someone with 0 feedback? Everything looks legit, I just emailed for more pics and details. I realize I should probably stay away, but everyone has to start at 0, right? ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:17:08 -0500 Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange 2015 From: "Bob Donaldson" Still time to apply, see text of original message below. I will assign names later this week For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, a few days after Hanukkah (11 I believe), the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server How it works. 1. REPLY DIRECTLY TO THIS EMAIL (please do not send a new message as it may miss my email filter), put with your name in the message, that will make it easier to track things. Or send an email to me with " OBC XMas Exchange 2015" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. Please make sure OBC XMas Exchange 2015 is in the subject line! That makes it easy to track. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique, 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, and send it out. NOTE: We are running a little late this year so hurry up and respond. I will try to get assignments out ASAP Merry Christmas! Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 12:23:29 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Five bucks off at Ebay From: Jake Elwell Gents - I tipped one of these deals before and some guys appreciated it so here's another. If you're contemplating a $100+ eBay purchase here's an easy way to save five bucks. http://tinyurl.com/pdxhssa ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 14:46:42 -0500 Subject: for todays amusement From: Shawn Smart http://chicago.suntimes.com/sports/7/71/1104510/one-wanted-chris-denorfia-bobblehead=09=09=09=09=09 ================= To: Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 17:06:01 -0500 Subject: Reprint question From: "Mark Holland" OBC recently had a rambling about how to detect pre-war reprints with a black light. I found that to be an interesting topic. It would be helpful to expand the ramble to post war cards. Is there a way to detect reprints on newer cards? For example I was looking for some 68T hits on eBay since I am down to needing 35 cards. I saw 68 Topps Pete Rose and Hank Aaron reprints for ~$3 that looked exactly like the originals. The card doesn't say reprint anywhere that I can see. Fortunately the dealer was honest enough to list it accurately and state that it is a reprint in the title. At $3 it fits the "too good to be true" criteria. But if it was listed for $10-$15 and did not state reprint, I might have jumped on one or both of Is there a way to detect fakes by looking at eBay listings or are we at the mercy of dealer integrity? Can you tell a 68T fake from a real one if you held it at a show? Looking for some education here. Mark Holland Vintage List & UV Sets to Trade ================= Date: 16 Nov 2015 14:58:36 -0800 To: Subject: 11/16 Waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:50:10 -0500 To: JTysver1@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay 0 feedback From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Many times I have bid and won someone with low or no feedback. You have to be a little more careful, look at the scans a little more closely. More times than not, if you feel good about the item, you probably are going toget a great deal. And yep I was looking at the guy with the 52B Mantle... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 11/16/2015 10:16:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I guess if they are starting off with a rating of 0 and offering a 1952 Mickey Mantle, I'd stay away. If they are offering a 1970 Lowell Palmer, I'd probably bite. Jay Tysver To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 10:06:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay 0 feedback Do I dare buy something from someone with 0 feedback? Everything looks legit, I just emailed for more pics and details. I realize I should probably stay away, but everyone has to start at 0, ================= Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 11:42:17 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Waiver wire: 1962 Topps incl 2 greenies From: Jake Elwell Claim away and please include your mailing address. Priority goes to guys Iowe or who I haven't sent to in a while. Typical OBC condition except as noted. Regular old woodies: 15, 16, 36, 42, 64 (nice shape, minor ink on back), 202, 466 (Cash AS in nice shape) Green tints: 112 Hank Foiles, Orioles (heavy pen ink action on front and back); 117 Gary Geiger, Red Sox (heavily worn + round corners) No obligation but if you have that box open and feel like hitting back with62s my still-pretty-easy-to-hit list is as follows: 1962 Topps Baseball Wantlist 1 5 10 13 18 20 25 50 52 53 59 60 65 70 73 100 135 136 140 141 143 144 150 159 167 170 199 200 208 209 213 218 220 225 234 235 236 243 251 258 265 288 292 300 306 310 312 313 316 317 318 320 325340 353 371 376 378 384 385 386 387 388 389 390 394 395 398 399 400 401 405 407 412 413 415 421 422 423 424 427 434 436 437 438 442 443 445 447 449 450 451 453 454 455 456 458 460 461 464 467 469 470 471 472 474 476 477 479480 481 482 483 484 486 487 490 492 493 494 495 497 499 500 502 503 505 510 514 518 523 524 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 533 534 535 536 537 538 539 540 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 549 550 551 552 553 554 555 556 557 558 560 562 564 566 567 568 570 573 574 575 576 577 578 579 580 583 584 585586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 Jake Elwell ================= Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 21:26:24 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Boston availibles from show From: Sean McGowan I met up with only Bob donaldson at the BSCC show in Wilminton Ma. I'm sorry it was a small OBC turnout, but Bob and I had a nice lunch. (Hi Bob!) and I found some good stuff for a song. The Rhodes is #170, all the backs are clean. Did you know that Ted Williams was born in 1918? Kind of ironic. First come, first served! Go OBC! ================= Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:06:06 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Is it just me...? From: Ken M Hi gang,  I sit here on a random Tuesday with nothing better to do, so if that also describes you, grab a beverage and a snack...  Have eBay sellers gotten lazy overall? I've been looking at auctions again after a long layoff. Not only are they not listing numbers in group lots, but some of the descriptions I've seen are either cut and pasted titles or just general grading criteria and nothing to do with the lot being offered. I've even read a couple that read "OK" and "good" just to put something in the box. I mean c'mon, at least make an effort!  Another thing I've noticed is that the majority of items have a single picture. I haven't sold anything in a while, but don't you get like 12 free photos? A lot of the cards I'm looking for are back variations. Your one photo of the front isn't going to get me to buy your card, especially when your description just rehashes what's in the title or says simply "ok". I did manage to find a deal the other night because someone was d iligent enough to include a second photo. (eBay item 221926028099) Got the card yesterday.  I managed to put a couple envelopes in the mail this morning. First time in a long time and even then it was mostly DS stuff. It's rather stress-reducing for me, so I want to get some more RAOK's together soon. First, I need to know my holiday exchange victim and second, I need to get some free time. This is going to be my last few hours of down time before work becomes an all-consuming madhouse. My next day off won't be until Thanksgiving Day, but it'll be the first of six in a row. My brother and his family are coming up from NC and I used a couple vacation days and scheduled days off. The last time he was up this way was during one of the Nationals, so I don't think he's been in my house for almost 20 years. Should be fun.  These Kellogg's sets are going to send me to the loony bin. If only I could just collect one of every player and be done with it... Yeah, right. Hello OCD. I thought the 1971 set was bad with copyright and statistical variations putting a master set upwards of 200 cards from a 75 card base set. Now I'm discovering the 1979 set. Seems the 'registered symbol' (the little 'R' in a circle) can be found in the corner of the box with Tony the Tiger on the back OR in the knot in the scarf around his neck - which I now want to strangle. In addition, there's team logos with and without copyright (two different Phillies logos) or TM symbols on the back, plus a myriad of stats variations which my failing eyesight has a difficult time reading. I need "cheaters" to magnify the small print, but I'm too stubborn and in denial to buy a pair. Of course, next to nothing is mentioned about this in my SCD (or maybe I glossed over it and wrote down only the listed stat errors... Or wisely just mentally blocked it at the time).  I've noticed a trend for the higher ticket items on my list. Seems to me that when you'd go to a show years ago, there were a lot more people saying to dealers, "Well, I can buy that cheaper on eBay." Now after attending the recent Wilmington show nearby, I'm wondering if the opposite is true and "I can find that cheaper at a show."? You might not get the huge selection of eBay, but I think the better deals can be had in person (1959 Billy Loes variations notwithstanding). Anyone agree or is it just me?  My (soon to be ex-)wife got a job (again) at Toys'R'Us for the holidays. This is akin to a drug addict landing a job at a pharmacy. Last Christmas looked like a Toys'R'Us exploded under the tree. I thought being married to her was expensive, but getting divorced is way more expensive. Hopefully there's a light at the end of the tunnel - I know, it's probably a train.   Getting back to happier things... the local sports teams all seem to be doing well - or at least not "they're so awful, I'm not going to bother watching". The Pats look poised for another Superbowl run - if they can finish the season in one piece. There's been a few pieces coming undone in the last few weeks, but they keep winning. Maybe the league should handicap them by making them play with deflated footballs? The ones they're using now are working too well. Meanwhile the Bruins and Celts are both winning more than they're losing, which is an improvement for both clubs, but I wouldn't plan any parades for either yet. The big news today is the David Ortiz will play one last season and hang'em up. The season long farewell parties can be distracting I think, but the Sox haven't had a lot to cheer about for the last couple of seasons. Anyone else think these farewell tours (Jeter, Rivera, etc.) have gone overboard? What do non-Sox fans think about Ortiz' shot at making the HOF? I'll end this here before anyone has to break open a second bag of chips. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Ken M , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 08:43:02 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? From: Taylor Schock For the short, (IMHO) answers to the questions: Have ebay sellers gotten lazy overall? - Yes! (paraphrased) Can I find it cheaper at a show? - Yes, usually. And nothing beats actually being able to see the item prior to purchase so you know what you are getting. (an offshoot of the lazy ebayer) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:06:06 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? Hi gang, I sit here on a random Tuesday with nothing better to do, so if that also describes you, grab a beverage and a snack... Have eBay sellers gotten lazy overall? I've been looking at auctions again after a long layoff. Not only are they not listing numbers in group lots, but some of the descriptions I've seen are either cut and pasted titles or just general gradingcriteria and nothing to do with the lot being offered. I've even read a couple that read "OK" and "good" just to put something in the box. I mean c'mon, at least make an effort! Another thing I've noticed is that the majority of items have a single picture. I haven't sold anything in a while, b ut don't you get like 12 free photos? A lot of the cards I'm looking for are back variations. Your one photo of the front isn't going to get me to buy your card, especially when your description just rehashes what's in the title or says simply "ok". I did manage to find a deal the other night because someone was diligent enough to include a second photo. (eBay item 221926028099) Got the card yesterday. I managed to put a couple envelopes in themail this morning. First time in a long time and even then it was mostly DS stuff. It's rather stress-reducing for me, so I want to get some more RAOK's together soon. First, I need to know my holiday exchange victim and second, I need to get some free time. This is going to be my last few hours ofdown time before work becomes an all-consuming madhouse. My next day off won't be until Thanksgiving Day, but it'll be the first of six in a row. My brother and his family are coming up from NC and I used a couple vacationdays and scheduled days off. The last time he was up this way was during one of the Nationals, so I don't think he's been in my house for almost 20 years. Should be fun. These Kellogg's sets are going to send me to the loony bin. If only I could just collect one of every player and be done with it... Yeah, right. Hello OCD. I thought the 1971 set was bad with copyright and statistical variations putting a master set upwards of 200 cards from a 75 card base set. Now I'm discovering the 1979 set. Seems the 'registered symbol' (the little 'R' in a circle) can be found in the corner of the box with Tony the Tiger on the back OR in the knot in the scarf around his neck - which I now want to strangle. In addition, there's team logos with and without copyright (two different Phillies logos) or TM symbols on the back, plus a myriad of stats variatio ns which my failing eyesight has a difficult time reading. I need "cheaters" to magnify the small print, but I'm too stubborn and in denial to buy a pair. Of course, next to nothing is mentioned about this in my SCD (or maybe I glossed over it and wrote down only the listed stat errors... Or wiselyjust mentally blocked it at the time). I've noticed a trend for the higher ticket items on my list. Seems to me that when you'd go to a show years ago, there were a lot more people saying to dealers, "Well, I can buy that cheaper on eBay." Now after attending the recent Wilmington show nearby, I'mwondering if the opposite is true and "I can find that cheaper at a show."? You might not get the huge selection of eBay, but I think the better deals can be had in person (1959 Billy Loes variations notwithstanding). Anyoneagree or is it just me? My (soon to be ex-) wife got a job (again) at Toys'R'Us for the holidays. This is akin to a drug addict landing a job at a pharmacy. Last Christmas looked like a Toys'R'Us exploded under the tree. I thought being married to her was expensive, but getting divorced is way more expensive. Hopefully there's a light at theend of the tunnel - I know, it's probably a train. Getting back to happier things... the local sports teams all seem to be doing well - or at leastnot "they're so awful, I'm not going to bother watching". The Pats look poised for another Superbowl run - if they can finish the season in one piece. There's been a few pieces coming undone in the last few weeks, but they keep winning. Maybe the league should handicap them by making them play withdeflated footballs? The ones they're using now are working too well. Meanwhile the Bruins and Celts are both winning more than they're losing, which is an improvement for bot h clubs, but I wouldn't plan any parades for either yet. The big news today is the David Ortiz will play one last season and hang'em up. The season long farewell parties can be distracting I think, but the Sox haven't had a lot to cheer about for the last couple of seasons. Anyone else think these farewell tours (Jeter, Rivera, etc.) have gone overboard? What do non-Sox fans think about Ortiz' shot at making the HOF? I'll end this here before anyone has to break open a second bag of chips. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:04:59 -0500 To: Taylor Schock , Ken M , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? From: JDahms ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 06:39:02 -0800 To: JDahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? From: Rick eBay is turning into a buy it now site even if it is an auction the openingbid is what the seller would take for it. I feel it's their way to keep prices where they want them instead of the market correcting prices. I get people want as much money as they can get but if buyers say something is worth $10 and sellers list for $20 something eventually has to give. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2015, at 6:04 AM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I agree whole heartedly on all counts. > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date: 11/18/2015 8:43 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: Ken M , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? > For the short, (IMHO) answers to the questions: > Have ebay sellers gotten lazy overall? - Yes! > (paraphrased) Can I find it cheaper at a show? - Yes, usually. And nothing beats actually being able to see the item prior to purchase so you know what you are getting. (an offshoot of the lazy ebayer) > Regards, > Taylor > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:06:06 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? > Hi gang, > I sit here on a random Tuesday with nothing better to do, so if that also describes you, grab a beverage and a snack... > Have eBay sellers gotten lazy overall? I've been looking at auctions again after a long layoff. Not only are they not listing numbers in group lots, but some of the descriptions I've seen are either cut and pasted titles or just general grading criteria and nothing to do with the lot being offered. I've even read a couple that read "OK" and "good" just to put somethingin the box. I mean c'mon, at least make an effort! > Another thing I've noticed is that the majority of items have a single picture. I haven't sold anything in a while, b ut don't you get like 12 free photos? A lot of the cards I'm looking for are back variations. Your one photo of the front isn't going to get me to buy your card, especially when your description just rehashes what's in the title or says simply "ok". I did manage to find a deal the other night because someone was diligent enough to include a second photo. (eBay item 221926028099) Got the card yesterday. > I managed to put a couple envelopes in the mail this morning. First time in a long time and even then it was mostly DS stuff. It's rather stress-reducing for me, so I want to get some more RAOK's together soon. First, I need to know my holiday exchange victim and second, I need to get some free time. This is going to be my last few hours of down time before work becomes an all-consuming madhouse. My next day off won't be until Thanksgiving Day, but it'll be the first of six in a row. My brother and his family are coming up from NC and I used a couple vacation days and scheduled days off. The last time he was up this way was during one of the Nationals, so I don'tthink he's been in my house for almost 20 years. Should be fun. > These Kellogg's sets are going to send me to the loony bin. If only I could just collect one of every player and be done with it... Yeah, right. Hello OCD. I thought the 1971 set was bad with copyright and statistical variations putting a master set upwards of 200 cards from a 75 card base set. Now I'm discovering the 1979 set. Seems the 'registered symbol' (the little'R' in a circle) can be found in the corner of the box with Tony the Tigeron the back OR in the knot in the scarf around his neck - which I now wantto strangle. In addition, there's team logos with and without copyright (two different Phillies logos) or TM symbols on the back, plus a myriad of stats variatio ns which my failing eyesight has a difficult time reading. I need "cheaters" to magnify the small print, but I'm too stubborn and in denial to buy a pair. Of course, next to nothing is mentioned about this in my SCD (or maybe I glossed over it and wrote down only the listed stat errors... Or wisely just mentally blocked it at the time). > I've noticed a trend for the higher ticket items on my list. Seems to me that when you'd go to a show years ago, there were a lot more people saying to dealers, "Well, I can buy that cheaper on eBay." Now after attending the recent Wilmington show nearby, I'm wondering if the opposite is true and "I can find that cheaper at a show."? You might not get the huge selection of eBay, but I think the better deals can be had in person (1959 Billy Loes variations notwithstanding). Anyone agree or is it just me? > My (soon to be ex-) wife got a job (again) at Toys'R'Us for the holidays. This is akin to a drug addict landing a job at a pharmacy. Last Christmas looked like a Toys'R'Us exploded under the tree. I thought being married to her was expensive, but getting divorced is way more expensive. Hopefullythere's a light at the end of the tunnel - I know, it's probably a train. > Getting back to happier things... the local sports teams all seem to bedoing well - or at least not "they're so awful, I'm not going to bother watching". The Pats look poised for another Superbowl run - if they can finish the season in one piece. There's been a few pieces coming undone in the last few weeks, but they keep winning. Maybe the league should handicap themby making them play with deflated footballs? The ones they're using now are working too well. Meanwhile the Bruins and Celts are both winning more than they're losing, which is an improvement for bot h clubs, but I wouldn't plan any parades for either yet. The big news today is the David Ortiz willplay one last season and hang'em up. The season long farewell parties can be distracting I think, but the Sox haven't had a lot to cheer about for the last couple of seasons. Anyone else think these farewell tours (Jeter, Rivera, etc.) have gone overboard? What do non-Sox fans think about Ortiz' shot at making the HOF? I'll end this here before anyone has to break open a second bag of chips. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:47:37 -0500 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? From: Matthew Glidden With eBay no longer pushing for listing fees (even the 25 cent ones) and mostly receiving a % of the close, that seems like a logical outcome. Keep posting and reposting things at a given price, knowing it's not going to cost you extra to maintain that listing. I know there are 20+ items on my buying watchlist that have been there for months, as all I'm really doing is checking if those BIN items go on sale. I think if you saw the return of per-item listing fees and similar overhead, that'd push sellers away from higher BIN prices and back to auctions. Unfortunately, unless Amazon follows suit, eBay probably can't make that move, as it's a competitive risk of losing those sellers altogether. They're sort of racing to provide "least effort required" to On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > eBay is turning into a buy it now site even if it is an auction the > opening bid is what the seller would take for it. I feel it's their way to > keep prices where they want them instead of the market correcting prices.I > get people want as much money as they can get but if buyers say something > is worth $10 and sellers list for $20 something eventually has to give. > Sent from my iPad > On Nov 18, 2015, at 6:04 AM, JDahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > I agree whole heartedly on all counts. > JD > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE 5, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > Date: 11/18/2015 8:43 AM (GMT-05:00) > To: Ken M , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? > For the short, (IMHO) answers to the questions: > Have ebay sellers gotten lazy overall? - *Yes!* > (paraphrased) Can I find it cheaper at a show? - Yes, usually. And nothing > beats actually being able to *see *the item prior to purchase so you know > what you are getting. (an offshoot of the lazy ebayer) > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------ > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2015 22:06:06 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? > Hi gang, > I sit here on a random Tuesday with nothing better to do, so if that > also describes you, grab a beverage and a snack... > Have eBay sellers gotten lazy overall? I've been looking at auctions > again after a long layoff. Not only are they not listing numbers in group > lots, but some of the descriptions I've seen are either cut and pasted > titles or just general grading criteria and nothing to do with the lot > being offered. I've even read a couple that read "OK" and "good" just to > put something in the box. I mean c'mon, at least make an effort! > Another thing I've noticed is that the majority of items have a single > picture. I haven't sold anything in a while, b ut don't you get like 12 > free photos? A lot of the cards I'm looking for are back variations. Your > one photo of the front isn't going to get me to buy your card, especially > when your description just rehashes what's in the title or says simply > "ok". I did manage to find a deal the other night because someone was > diligent enough to include a second photo. (eBay item 221926028099) Got > the card yesterday. > I managed to put a couple envelopes in the mail this morning. First time > in a long time and even then it was mostly DS stuff. It's rather > stress-reducing for me, so I want to get some more RAOK's together soon. > First, I need to know my holiday exchange victim and second, I need to get > some free time. This is going to be my last few hours of down time before > work becomes an all-consuming madhouse. My next day off won't be until > Thanksgiving Day, but it'll be the first of six in a row. My brother and > his family are coming up from NC and I used a couple vacation days and > scheduled days off. The last time he was up this way was during one of the > Nationals, so I don't think he's been in my house for almost 20 years. > Should be fun. > These Kellogg's sets are going to send me to the loony bin. If only I > could just collect one of every player and be done with it... Yeah, right. > Hello OCD. I thought the 1971 set was bad with copyright and statistical > variations putting a master set upwards of 200 cards from a 75 card base > set. Now I'm discovering the 1979 set. Seems the 'registered symbol' (the > little 'R' in a circle) can be found in the corner of the box with Tony the > Tiger on the back OR in the knot in the scarf around his neck - which I now > want to strangle. In addition, there's team logos with and without > copyright (two different Phillies logos) or TM symbols on the back, plus a > myriad of stats variatio ns which my failing eyesight has a difficult time > reading. I need "cheaters" to magnify the small print, but I'm too stubborn > and in denial to buy a pair. Of course, next to nothing is mentioned about > this in my SCD (or maybe I glossed over it and wrote down only the listed > stat errors... Or wisely just mentally blocked it at the time). > I've noticed a trend for the higher ticket items on my list. Seems to me > that when you'd go to a show years ago, there were a lot more people saying > to dealers, "Well, I can buy that cheaper on eBay." Now after attending the > recent Wilmington show nearby, I'm wondering if the opposite is true and "I > can find that cheaper at a show."? You might not get the huge selection of > eBay, but I think the better deals can be had in person (1959 Billy Loes > variations notwithstanding). Anyone agree or is it just me? > My (soon to be ex-) wife got a job (again) at Toys'R'Us for the > holidays. This is akin to a drug addict landing a job at a pharmacy. Last > Christmas looked like a Toys'R'Us exploded under the tree. I thought being > married to her was expensive, but getting divorced is way more expensive. > Hopefully there's a light at the end of the tunnel - I know, it's probably > a train. > Getting back to happier things... the local sports teams all seem to be > doing well - or at least not "they're so awful, I'm not going to bother > watching". The Pats look poised for another Superbowl run - if they can > finish the season in one piece. There's been a few pieces coming undone in > the last few weeks, but they keep winning. Maybe the league should handicap > them by making them play with deflated footballs? The ones they're using > now are working too well. Meanwhile the Bruins and Celts are both winning > more than they're losing, which is an improvement for bot h clubs, but I > wouldn't plan any parades for either yet. The big news today is the David > Ortiz will play one last season and hang'em up. The season long farewell > parties can be distracting I think, but the Sox haven't had a lot to cheer > about for the last couple of seasons. Anyone else think these farewell > tours (Jeter, Rivera, etc.) have gone overboard? What do non-Sox fans think > about Ortiz' shot at making the HOF? I'll end this here before anyone has > to break open a second bag of chips. TAYL, > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= To: Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 09:36:59 -0600 Subject: Re: Is it just me...? From: "George Vrechek" Ken has perfected the art of rambles. I'll chime in one just one of the many interesting topics. I agree, it's frustrating to look for back variations when some sellers are too lazy to add a photo of both sides of a card. COMC shows you both front and back and in a consistent format. A recent eBay offering said that the back of the card was miscut. The front was OK. Do you think they would show a photo of the back of the card? I grabbed an eBay offering too quickly. The ad said something like nice card and gloss - good. It was also off-center which was obvious. The photo color was off as well, which led me to believe it was the 1963 Topps football purple-sky variation I had been seeking. What wasn't so obvious was a large thumb tack hole in the guy's hair. The seller did mention the hole in the fine print but I missed it. A card with a good-sized hole in it is probably a Tipton mint rather than "good." The seller was nice enough to take the $9 card back. Even I have (some) condition standards. Keep in touch, Ken. George Vrechek ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , "George Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:52:17 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Net54 Drama From: Mac Wubben Late to this party, but I'm in George's camp. I dislike Nash tremendously...his personal attacks and shady dealings show him to be an untrustworthy person. That said, the fraud that he points out isn't just blowing smoke...it's a guy who was on the inside, now calling others out (like Canseco). Ithink his attacks on Leon are ridiculous and full of bs...but the fake objects and shady bidding practices in the industry...those accusations seem true. I don't like dealers generally...even the friendly ones are exploiting you a little...and the shady ones are robbing you. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com on behalf of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, November 14, 2015 9:37 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Net54 Drama I have a different take on this. Peter Nash's stuff is certainly sensationalistic and caustic. I am amazed he writes what he does without apparently worrying about libel actions - which makes me think that he feels he is on pretty good ground. His articles show considerable investigation, perhaps spurred on by a bit of vendetta. No one else writes this kind of stuff and publications don't pick fights with potentially big advertisers. Which also makes me feel that the hobby isn't going to police itself and that investigations need to continue - by law enforcement. What I get out of reading Nash's stuff is not to assume that memorabilia is untainted or believe everything you read - including Nash's stuff. What he has written about Mastro echos info that will likely send some of the group to prison. I was disappointed in how the Mastro group dealt with good-guy Lionel Carter. The hobby has not had a good history of fair play. I will reserve judgment until the entire story comes out, as well as keeping my distance from taking a position with any certainty on any of these characters. George Vrechek ================= Date: 18 Nov 2015 14:10:08 -0800 To: Subject: Politically correct From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 17:52:04 -0500 To: "rlabs1@yahoo.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: BBC Trading I would not be offended in any way. I think it's a very nice gesture. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 18, 2015, at 5:10 PM, "rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group.Would people be offended? > Richard Labs ================= To: , Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:56:01 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: "Bob Donaldson" I think that=E2=99s great. Certainly wouldn=E2=99t offend me From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, November 18, 2015 5:10 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group. Would people be offended? Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 18:01:47 -0600 To: Bob Donaldson , rlabs1@yahoo.com, Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 20:05:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Christmas cards From: Ed Hutchinson I think it is a wonderful gesture, and would be thrilled, not offended! Ed Hutchinson ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:45:43 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en You got the Loe's for a BUCK??? Holy hell, I need to dig better. I just got the Nichols for $12. Yeah it makes me crazy too about the back pics. Some of the larger dealers don't even take the time to describe the card at all. Sheesh, I know you KNOW this is a variation, how about letting me know which one it is, without having to ask a question and wait 36 hours for an answer? Still makes me nuts that some have the balls to post a 1969T as a white letter that isn't a variation. The other thing is they list WAY too much stuff. You go to their store and its organized as such: (other) 347,628. At least categorize the stuff a LITTLE bit, eh? I have sometimes found better deals on bigger cards live. Get into some chat, the guy likes me and OBC, hooks me up a little better... OR wait til the end of the show and doesn't want to carry as much stuff home - bazinga! As far as the Kelloggs, I have enough right now just getting the Mets and variations. Now I have to look over my 79s? Thanks again Ken for getting me started on variations. Did I tell you I just started the 68 Milton Bradley's? This is so much fun I want to strangle Tony the tiger too. Has anyone seen or have any of the cars cards from that set? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 11/17/2015 10:07:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hi gang, I sit here on a random Tuesday with nothing better to do, so if that also describes you, grab a beverage and a snack... Have eBay sellers gotten lazy overall? I've been looking at auctions again after a long layoff. Not only are they not listing numbers in group lots, but some of the descriptions I've seen are either cut and pasted titles or just general grading criteria and nothing to do with the lot being offered. I've even read a couple that read "OK" and "good" just to put something in the box. I mean c'mon, at least make an effort! Another thing I've noticed is that the majority of items have a single picture. I haven't sold anything in a while, b ut don't you get like 12 free photos? A lot of the cards I'm looking for are back variations. Your one photo of the front isn't going to get me to buy your card, especially when your description just rehashes what's in the title or says simply "ok". I did manage to find a deal the other night because someone was diligent enough to include a second photo. (eBay item _221926028099_ (tel:221926028099) ) Got the card yesterday. I managed to put a couple envelopes in the mail this morning. First time in a long time and even then it was mostly DS stuff. It's rather stress-reducing for me, so I want to get some more RAOK's together soon. First, I need to know my holiday exchange victim and second, I need to get some free time. This is going to be my last few hours of down time before work becomes an all-consuming madhouse. My next day off won't be until Thanksgiving Day, but it'll be the first of six in a row. My brother and his family are coming up from NC and I used a couple vacation days and scheduled days off. last time he was up this way was during one of the Nationals, so I don't think he's been in my house for almost 20 years. Should be fun. These Kellogg's sets are going to send me to the loony bin. If only I could just collect one of every player and be done with it... Yeah, right. Hello OCD. I thought the 1971 set was bad with copyright and statistical variations putting a master set upwards of 200 cards from a 75 card base set. I'm discovering the 1979 set. Seems the 'registered symbol' (the little 'R' in a circle) can be found in the corner of the box with Tony the Tigeron the back OR in the knot in the scarf around his neck - which I now want to strangle. In addition, there's team logos with and without copyright (two different Phillies logos) or TM symbols on the back, plus a myriad of stats variatio ns which my failing eyesight has a difficult time reading. I need "cheaters" to magnify the small print, but I'm too stubborn and in denial to buy a pair. Of course, next to nothing is mentioned about this in my SCD (or maybe I glossed over it and wrote down only the listed stat errors... Or wisely just mentally blocked it at the time). I've noticed a trend for the higher ticket items on my list. Seems to me that when you'd go to a show years ago, there were a lot more people saying to dealers, "Well, I can buy that cheaper on eBay." Now after attending the recent Wilmington show nearby, I'm wondering if the opposite is true and "I can find that cheaper at a show."? You might not get the huge selection of eBay, but I think the better deals can be had in person (1959 Billy Loes variations notwithstanding). Anyone agree or is it just me? My (soon to be ex-) wife got a job (again) at Toys'R'Us for the holidays. This is akin to a drug addict landing a job at a pharmacy. Last Christmas looked like a Toys'R'Us exploded under the tree. I thought being married to her was expensive, but getting divorced is way more expensive. Hopefully there's a light at the end of the tunnel - I know, it's probably a train. Getting back to happier things... the local sports teams all seem to be doing well - or at least not "they're so awful, I'm not going to bother watching". The Pats look poised for another Superbowl run - if they can finish the season in one piece. There's been a few pieces coming undone in the last few weeks, but they keep winning. Maybe the league should handicap them by making them play with deflated footballs? The ones they're using now are working too well. Meanwhile the Bruins and Celts are both winning more than they're losing, which is an improvement for bot h clubs, but I wouldn't plan any parades for either yet. The big news today is the David Ortiz will play one last season and hang'em up. The season long farewell parties can be distracting I think, but the Sox haven't had a lot to cheer about for the last couple of seasons. Anyone else think these farewell tours (Jeter, Rivera, etc.) have gone overboard? What do non-Sox fans think about Ortiz'shot at making the HOF? I'll end this here before anyone has to break open a second bag of chips. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 21:54:50 -0500 To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, rlabs1@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Thank you for starting this discussion. I will put it this way, "Wouldyou be offended if I sent Happy Hanukkah cards to everyone in the group"? Over the years when sending our holiday cards to folks (never really sent within OBC) I have tried to send cards that the receiving person would appreciate. If I know they celebrate Christmas, I send them a Merry Christmas card, if Jewish, Happy Hanukkah, others may get a Kwanzaa card, etc. Essentially wishing them to enjoy their beliefs and not necessarily joining me in celebrating my holiday. Political correctness? Of course, but also as you started this, not wanting to offend people. I have mentioned within OBC in the past, that I would participate in "Holiday Helpers", but not "Secret Santa". I therefore in my 15 years in OBC have not participated in the December exchange. We all have different things that bother us, and being a member of a minority group, I do appreciate political correctness. Sorry to be the wet blanket in the group. Exception to the above rule is pre-printed cards containing family photos. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings ; rlabs1 Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I won't be offended unless it's accompanied by a Aaron Harang card in Phillies uniform :-) OBC Forever Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: November 18, 2015 at 2:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group. Would people be offended? Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2015 22:17:53 -0500 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? From: Ken M Sal,   I credit you for an assist (indirectly) on the Loes - I was actually looking for another 59 to throw in with the DS card I sent you. I knew I had graded one of the variations a long time ago (a friend of mine got a job at SGC for a while and offered a few of his friends a deal on grading). I located the card and it was another Loes (which I also got for a buck in Wilmington a long time ago). So I spent some idle time looking for the one you needed... then a few others. This search spurred my most recent ramble.  I did have some of the hot rods from the MB set. I went to a Hall's Nostalgia auction with my friend Steve from down the street. Well, Steve bid on and won an unopened game (hoping to pull a Ryan RC apparently). He was so disappointed when he opened it, that he just gave me the whole lot before he left the auction. "This is all junk. I don't want it." I think I ended up with a couple Casey Cox cards and maybe a Brinkman out of it. (I never told him that thou gh). I probably used the Hot Rods as packing material years ago or they're sitting in a box that hasn't seen the light of day in a couple decades. (Prob the first one). The only thing I might have left are a couple of the FB cards, since I started the set some time later and they were 'upgrades'. Ken M - PS - I got an envelope from Sal today. Details to follow shortly. Sent from my not so smart phone. ------ Original message------From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]Date: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 9:45 PMTo: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;Cc: Subject:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is it just me...? You got the Loe's for a BUCK??? Holy hell, I need to dig better. I just got the Nichols for $12. Yeah it makes me crazy too about the back pics. Some of the larger dealers don't even take the time to describe the card at all. Sheesh, I know you KNOW this is a variation, how about letting me know which one it is, without having to ask a question and wait 36 hours for an answer?  Still makes me nuts that some have the balls to post a 1969T as a white letter that isn't a variation.  The other thing is they list WAY too much stuff. You go to their store and its organized as such:  (other) 347,628.  At least categorize the stuff a LITTLE bit, eh? I have sometimes found better deals on bigger cards live. Get into some chat, the guy likes me and OBC, hooks me up a little better... OR wait til the end of the show and doesn't want to carry as much stuff home - bazinga! As far as the Kelloggs, I have enough right now just getting the Mets and variations. Now I have to look over m y 79s? Thanks again Ken for getting me started on variations.  Did I tell you I just started the 68 Milton Bradley's?  This is so much fun I want to strangle Tony the tiger too. Has anyone seen or have any of the cars cards from that set? Sal Domino OBC - 1992  In a message dated 11/17/2015 10:07:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes:  Hi gang,   I sit here on a random Tuesday with nothing better to do, so if that also describes you, grab a beverage and a snack...   Have eBay sellers gotten lazy overall? I've been looking at auctions again after a long layoff. Not only are they not listing numbers in group lots, but some of the descriptions I've seen are either cut and pasted titles or just general grading criteria and nothing to do with the lot being offered. I've even read a couple that read "OK" and "good" just to put something in the box. I mean c'mon, at least make an effort!   Another thing I've noticed is that the majority of items have a single picture. I haven't sold anything in a while, b ut don't you get like 12 free photos? A lot of the cards I'm looking for are back variations. Your one photo of the front isn't going to get me to b uy your card, especially when your description just rehashes what's in the title or says simply "ok". I did manage to find a deal the other night because someone was diligent enough to include a second photo. (eBay item 221926028099) Got the card yesterday.   I managed to put a couple envelopes in the mail this morning. First time in a long time and even then it was mostly DS stuff. It's rather stress-reducing for me, so I want to get some more RAOK's together soon. First, I need to know my holiday exchange victim and second, I need to get some free time. This is going to be my last few hours of down time before work becomes an all-consuming madhouse. My next day off won't be until Thanksgiving Day, but it'll be the first of six in a row. My brother and his family are coming up from NC and I used a couple vacation days and scheduled days off. The last time he was up this way was during one of the Nationals, so I don't think he's been in my house f or almost 20 years. Should be fun.   These Kellogg's sets are going to send me to the loony bin. If only I could just collect one of every player and be done with it... Yeah, right. Hello OCD. I thought the 1971 set was bad with copyright and statistical variations putting a master set upwards of 200 cards from a 75 card base set. Now I'm discovering the 1979 set. Seems the 'registered symbol' (the little 'R' in a circle) can be found in the corner of the box with Tony the Tiger on the back OR in the knot in the scarf around his neck - which I now want to strangle. In addition, there's team logos with and without copyright (two different Phillies logos) or TM symbols on the back, plus a myriad of stats variatio ns which my failing eyesight has a difficult time reading. I need "cheaters" to magnify the small print, but I'm too stubborn and in denial to buy a pair. Of course, next to nothing is mentioned about this in my SCD (or maybe I glossed over it and wrote down only the listed stat errors... Or wisely just mentally blocked it at the time).   I've noticed a trend for the higher ticket items on my list. Seems to me that when you'd go to a show years ago, there were a lot more people saying to dealers, "Well, I can buy that cheaper on eBay." Now after attending the recent Wilmington show nearby, I'm wondering if the opposite is true and "I can find that cheaper at a show."? You might not get the huge selection of eBay, but I think the better deals can be had in person (1959 Billy Loes variations notwithstanding). Anyone agree or is it just me?   My (soon to be ex-) wife got a job (again) at Toys'R'Us for the holidays. This is akin to a drug addict landing a job at a pharmacy. Last Christmas looked like a Toys'R'Us exploded under the tree. I thought being married to her was expensive, but getting divorced is way more expensive. Hopefully there's a light at the end of the tunnel - I kno w, it's probably a train.    Getting back to happier things... the local sports teams all seem to be doing well - or at least not "they're so awful, I'm not going to bother watching". The Pats look poised for another Superbowl run - if they can finish the season in one piece. There's been a few pieces coming undone in the last few weeks, but they keep winning. Maybe the league should handicap them by making them play with deflated footballs? The ones they're using now are working too well. Meanwhile the Bruins and Celts are both winning more than they're losing, which is an improvement for bot h clubs, but I wouldn't plan any parades for either yet. The big news today is the David Ortiz will play one last season and hang'em up. The season long farewell parties can be distracting I think, but the Sox haven't had a lot to cheer about for the last couple of seasons. Anyone else think these farewell tours (Jeter, Rivera, etc.) have gone overboard? What do non-Sox fans think about Ortiz' shot at making the HOF? I'll end this here before anyone has to break open a second bag of chips. TAYL, Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone. ================= Date: 18 Nov 2015 19:44:32 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:00:22 -0500 To: rlabs1@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: Joshua Levine If I were to receive one as a Jew, I would NOT be offended...heck, I would love it and I personally enjoy getting Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanza, etc. cards every year. It is ALWAYS the thought behind it that someone was caring enough and thinking about you to send a greeting, not necessarily the religious Go for it Richard... -----Original Message----- From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 2:10 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group. Would people be offended? Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:25:49 -0500 To: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: ShoelessWes I think most of us are sensitive enough to appreciate all religions and beliefs during the holiday seasons every year. Many of us baseball card collectors are like minded in many a ways, especially general logic. Im catholic, and I worship a jewish carpenter. My best friend at work is from India, store owners are muslim where I live, and some of our great baseball heroes are strict jewish (koufax for starts). I would venture to say nearly all of us OBCers would never intentionally, or even recklessly offend a fellow member or friend within this club. I think we should all be proud of our beliefs and heritage, and prevent any wallsfrom being built between us. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2015, at 1:00 AM, Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > If I were to receive one as a Jew, I would NOT be offended...heck, I would love it and I personally enjoy getting Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanza, etc. cards every year. It is ALWAYS the thought behind it that someone was caring enough and thinking about you to send a greeting, not necessarily the religious > Go for it Richard... > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 2:10 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct > I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group.Would people be offended? > Richard Labs ================= To: ShoelessWes Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 00:49:10 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] bravo From: Tim newcomb Wes, that is very well put - I don't worship anything at all, but I don't get offended when anyone offers me good wishes with a religious twist. Especially at this rather sad moment in the world, let's have no walls in OBC- CC: rlabs1@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: Wite3@aol.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 01:25:49 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I think most of us are sensitive enough to appreciate all religions and beliefs during the holiday seasons every year. Many of us baseball card collectors are like minded in many a ways, especially general logic. Im catholic, and I worship a jewish carpenter. My best friend at work is from India, store owners are muslim where I live, and some of our great baseball heroes are strict jewish (koufax for starts). I would venture to say nearly all of us OBCers would never intentionally, or even recklessly offend a fellow member or friend within this club. I think we should all be proud of our beliefs and heritage, and prevent any wallsfrom being built between us. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2015, at 1:00 AM, Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] If I were to receive one as a Jew, I would NOT be offended...heck, I would love it and I personally enjoy getting Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanza, etc. cards every year. It is ALWAYS the thought behind it that someone was caring enough and thinking about you to send a greeting, not necessarily thereligious Go for it Richard... -----Original Message----- From: rlabs1@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 2:10 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group. Would people be offended? Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 02:06:27 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en But what about Festivus... for the Restivus? I think political correctness has gone WAY overboard. Like was said, its about the thought, no one is trying to convert anyone (not talking about our group). Society has gone mad over such stupid incidentals. How about some of those chowderheads spend time tacking a real world problem and not whether the Redskins should change their name and such? Merry Christmas one and all :-) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS if anyone wants to hear a dirty joke, I'll meet you in the parking lot around the corner so no one else hears it... In a message dated 11/19/2015 1:25:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I think most of us are sensitive enough to appreciate all religions and beliefs during the holiday seasons every year. Many of us baseball card collectors are like minded in many a ways, especially general logic. Im catholic, and I worship a jewish carpenter. My best friend at work is from India, store owners are muslim where I live, and some of our great baseball heroes are strict jewish (koufax for starts). I would venture to say nearly all of us OBCers would never intentionally, or even recklessly offend a fellow member or friend within this club. I think we should all be proud of our beliefs and heritage, and prevent any walls from being built between us. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2015, at 1:00 AM, Joshua Levine _Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Rambl ings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: If I were to receive one as a Jew, I would NOT be offended...heck, I would love it and I personally enjoy getting Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanza, etc. cards every year. It is ALWAYS the thought behind it that someone was caring enough and thinking about you to send a greeting, not necessarily the religious overtones. Go for it Richard... -----Original Message----- From: _rlabs1@yahoo.com_ (mailto:rlabs1@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > To: OBC-Ramblings <_OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 2:10 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group. Would people be offended? Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 06:22:45 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: utterchaos63 ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Politically correct From: Tom Housley You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike, never occurred to me. I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a little narrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed, I am sure) So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainly would not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others may not feel that way. Tom Housley ================= To: Tom Housley , Mike Rich , OBC Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 08:24:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: Bob Reed Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor another Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike, never occurred to me. I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a little narrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed, I am So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainlywould not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others may not feel that way. Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:26:32 -0500 To: Bob Reed Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: Matthew Glidden 100% behind Secret Stan or Secret Santo for OBC. :-) On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor > another Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" > ------------------------------ > To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct > You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might > bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with > Mike, never occurred to me. > I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC > brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a little > narrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed,I > am sure) > So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one > anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan > Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret > Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. > And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I > certainly would not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow > OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a > "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, > regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing > again) that others may not feel that way. > Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:47:58 -0500 To: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: Doug DeJong How about a Holiday Hack ? Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > 100% behind Secret Stan or Secret Santo for OBC. :-) > Spike >> On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor another Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" >> To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct >> You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike, never occurred to me. >> I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a little narrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed,I am sure) >> So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "StanHack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. >> And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainly would not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others maynot feel that way. >> Tom Housley ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:03:34 -0600 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: JAY TYSVER Not to confuse things but here are a few others... Hannukah Lamonica Diwali Backman Ramadan Mossi Golden Tet Michele Kwanzaa Matt Holiday (too easy) Noel Send-a-card (Noah Syndergaard) Jay Tysver CC: boreed@hotmail.com; directorth@aol.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:47:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct How about a Holiday Hack ? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: 100% behind Secret Stan or Secret Santo for OBC. :-) On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor another Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike, never occurred to me. I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a little narrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed, I am So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainlywould not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others may not feel that way. Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:16:52 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: ShoelessWes I think Holiday Hack is best, as it covers all the bases. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2015, at 12:03 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Not to confuse things but here are a few others... > Hannukah Lamonica > Diwali Backman > Ramadan Mossi > Golden Tet > Michele Kwanzaa > Matt Holiday (too easy) > Noel Send-a-card (Noah Syndergaard) > Jay Tysver > CC: boreed@hotmail.com; directorth@aol.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:47:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct > How about a Holiday Hack ? > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > 100% behind Secret Stan or Secret Santo for OBC. :-) > Spike > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor another Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" > To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct > You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike,never occurred to me. > I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a littlenarrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed, I am sure) > So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. > And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainly would not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others may not feel that way. > Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 12:22:22 -0500 To: JAY TYSVER Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: Jake Elwell Not to mention these holiday dupe box denizens: Rob (Rein) Deer Ken Rudolph Billy (Santa) Klaus "Yule" Blackwell Bill Slayback On Nov 19, 2015, at 12:03 PM, JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Not to confuse things but here are a few others... > Hannukah Lamonica > Diwali Backman > Ramadan Mossi > Golden Tet > Michele Kwanzaa > Matt Holiday (too easy) > Noel Send-a-card (Noah Syndergaard) > Jay Tysver > CC: boreed@hotmail.com; directorth@aol.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:47:58 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct > How about a Holiday Hack ? > Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > 100% behind Secret Stan or Secret Santo for OBC. :-) > Spike > On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Bob Reed boreed@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor another Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" > To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct > You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike,never occurred to me. > I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a littlenarrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed, I am sure) > So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. > And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainly would not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. If Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others may not feel that way. > Tom Housley ================= Date: 19 Nov 2015 09:50:26 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Politically correct From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 13:50:40 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: Taylor Schock Holiday Hack is fine. So is Secret Santa. So is Happy Hanukkah. So is Delightful Diwali. As others already pointed out, the INTENT is what really matters. For those so bent on trying not to "offend" anyone. What about those of us who get offended by others that take offense, such as those we are trying to "accommodate"? (not meaning here specifically) So how do you NOT offend me by trying to accommodate those that take offense? I pose this as a serious question, to demonstrate the idiocy in how far down the "PC" rabbit hole we have gone. I get offended every single day in one way or another. But the problem isn't the person causing the offense, the problem is me. I have to own it. On whether or not I'm offended, whether or not I stay offended, but most importantly, how I react to it. I've tried to teach my kids that you can't control other people. How they think, how the act, etc. The only thing in your control is how YOU react to it. Here's wishing everyone an enchanted Tet, To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 09:50:26 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct Not suggesting we should vote, but I like HOLIDAY HACK. I'm glad to see this discussion happening. This conversation is a direct result of our desire for sincere generosity, openness, and "baseball brotherhood" - all core OBC values since day one. Aaron Shirley ================= To: , Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 14:12:08 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: "Bob Donaldson" As the person who has run the OBC Xmas Exchange, at least since 2005, I should probably chime in. Below is the text of the email I use when I send out the invitation to participate. As you see I do try to make mention of other holidays and traditions. However, there=E2=99s no getting around the fact that it is an exchange of gifts on Christmas day. Now my feeling isthat although the tradition is rooted in the biblical story of the Wise Men bringing presents to the infant Jesus, who was more likely born in the spring (but that=E2=99s another story), one need not be Christian to participate, In fact many non-Christian countries, like Japan are big celebrators of Christmas. I would guess that many (most?) people who by a Christmas present do not hold traditional Christian beliefs. I=E2=99m aware that to people of other faith traditions may find the Christmas story untrue or misguided. To them I say, we have a nice tradition of exchanging gifts. We=E2=99d love for you to join us, not asking you to believe anything, or abandon your traditions/beliefs, but just to join in a nice tradition we have. I certainly respect your decision to decline, but the offer will always be open. p.s. I=E2=99m also cognizant that many Christmas traditions predate Jesus (Christmas Tree, yule log etc.) and have more to do with the Winter solstice and Pagan rituals, but that=E2=99s another story Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchangeis when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participantto buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, a few days after Hanukkah (11 I believe), the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 12:50 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct Not suggesting we should vote, but I like HOLIDAY HACK. I'm glad to see this discussion happening. This conversation is a direct result of our desire for sincere generosity, openness, and "baseball brotherhood" - all core OBCvalues since day one. Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:02:39 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Politically correct From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Who is utterchaos63 ? ================= To: "'LAWRENCE TIPTON'" , Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:09:09 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Politically correct From: "Bob Donaldson" Bob Reed From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:03 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Politically correct Who is utterchaos63 ? ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:26:41 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: Politically correct From: LAWRENCE TIPTON That doesn=E2=99t jive with the Directory or what Bob shows for his email address on his wantlist. ================= To: "'LAWRENCE TIPTON'" , Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 15:33:03 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Politically correct From: "Bob Donaldson" His email is boreed@hotmail.com . He has in his email program given himself the name of utterchaos63. His email is unchanged utterchaos63 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LAWRENCE TIPTON larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 3:27 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Politically correct That doesn=E2=99t jive with the Directory or what Bob shows for his email address on his wantlist. ================= Date: 19 Nov 2015 13:18:06 -0800 To: Subject: re: Politically correct From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 17:11:04 -0500 Subject: Ticket Stubs From: "Bob Donaldson" While at the last Shriner's show, I picked up a wantlist from a guy attempting to get a ticket stub from every Fenway Park game for Carlton Fisk. I had a couple that he needed and he paid me $20 each. Turns out he is doing the same for Jim Rice, except this time he wants home and away games. So if you have any ticket stubs vs the Red Sox from late 1974 to 1989 and are interested in selling them for $20 each, I can send you the guys list and contact information. ================= To: Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 18:38:13 -0500 Subject: wantlist update help From: "Mark Holland" Since I had plenty of time for inside projects today (rained a lot here) I updated my excel want list. I added names of everyone that I need on most sets and will get the rest soon. I would love to copy and paste the new list into my Weebly want list. Does anyone know how to copy and paste an excel worksheet into a web page without losing columns and formatting? I have 4 columns on most list. I know that we have some guys with awesome web sites so please share your suggestions. Weebly seems to be user unfriendly in this regard as I tried it on a separate page and it was a mess. Any tips would be appreciated. Mark Holland Vintage List & UV Sets to Trade ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:39:37 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LOL it will be Cepedes for the rest of you's... because the Mets ain't gonna sign him! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 11/19/2015 6:22:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Or, since Sal is a Met fan and Yoenis is a free agent you could celebrate Cespedes for the Restofus. On Nov 19, 2015 2:06 AM, "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: But what about Festivus... for the Restivus? I think political correctness has gone WAY overboard. Like was said, its about the thought, no one is trying to convert anyone (not talking about our group). Society has gone mad over such stupid incidentals. How about some of those chowderheads spend time tacking a real world problem and not whether the Redskins should change their name and such? Merry Christmas one and all :-) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS if anyone wants to hear a dirty joke, I'll meet you in the parking lot around the corner so no one else hears it... In a message dated 11/19/2015 1:25:59 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I think most of us are sensitive enough to appreciate all religions and beliefs during the holiday seasons every year. Many of us baseball card collectors are like minded in many a ways, especially general logic. Im catholic, and I worship a jewish carpenter. My best friend at work is from India, store owners are muslim where I live, and some of our great baseball heroes are strict jewish (koufax for starts). I would venture to say nearly all of us OBCers would never intentionally, or even recklessly offend a fellow member or friend within this club. I think we should all be proud of our beliefs and heritage, and prevent any walls from being built between us. Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2015, at 1:00 AM, Joshua Levine _Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Rambl ings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: If I were to receive one as a Jew, I would NOT be offended...heck, I would love it and I personally enjoy getting Christmas, Hannukah, Kwanza, etc. cards every year. It is ALWAYS the thought behind it that someone was caring enough and thinking about you to send a greeting, not necessarily the religious overtones. Go for it Richard... -----Original Message----- From: _rlabs1@yahoo.com_ (mailto:rlabs1@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > To: OBC-Ramblings <_OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Wed, Nov 18, 2015 2:10 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Politically correct I am thinking of sending out Christmas cards to some peple in the group. Would people be offended? Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 20:49:43 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LMAO, I LOVE some of these names! Holiday Hack sounds like something you come down with when you are sick... Noel Send-a-card, Secret Santo, Secret Stan.. I love em all! I will be sending cards under the guise of one of these great names. It's all about the cardboard gentlemen! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 11/19/2015 2:11:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Noel Send-a-card (Noah Syndergaard) ha ha, I like this one! I guess with all the ideas that came out today we all could choose our own 'title' to the exchange to really show our differences (and creativity) mark z From: "JAY TYSVER JTysver1@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2015 11:03 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct Not to confuse things but here are a few others... Hannukah Lamonica Diwali Backman Ramadan Mossi Golden Tet Michele Kwanzaa Matt Holiday (too easy) Noel Send-a-card (Noah Syndergaard) Jay Tysver CC: boreed@hotmail.com; directorth@aol.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com; To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 11:47:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblin gs] Re: Politically correct How about a Holiday Hack ? Sent from my iPhone On Nov 19, 2015, at 11:26 AM, "Matthew Glidden _glidden.matthew@gmail.com_ (mailto:glidden.matthew@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: 100% behind Secret Stan or Secret Santo for OBC. :-) On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 8:24 AM, Bob Reed _boreed@hotmail.com_ (mailto:boreed@hotmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Instead of replacing "Secret Santa" with "Secret Stan" we could honor anot her Cub third baseman and go with "Secret Santo" To: _mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) ; _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) From: _OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 07:15:34 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Politically correct You know, I must admit that the idea that the "Secret Santa" name might bother/offend/cause discomfort to some of our members, as it does with Mike, never occurred to me. I'm not really religious at all, so I guess realizing that some of our OBC brothers might take offense - no matter on what scale - makes me a little narrow-minded. Mike's message made me open my eyes a little (much-needed, I am sure) So I offer a compromise name - somewhat tongue-in-cheek, but a sincere one anyway. Given our unique OBC lingo, and the fact that we sometimes "Stan Hack" someone, maybe we could rename the annual Secret Santa as "Secret Stanta" or even just "Secret Stan" in order to be more inclusive. And on a personal side note, replying to the original message - I certainly would not be offended to receive ANY holiday card from a fellow OBCer. Mike wanted to send me a "Happy Hanukkah" card or Sal sent me a "Happy Festivus" card, I would accept it as a thoughtful gesture, regardless of my beliefs, but I realize (there's that eyes-open thing again) that others may not feel that way. Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2015 22:03:38 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Politically correct From: Ed pike Holiday Hack has a great ring to it! Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2015 08:39:39 -0500 Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange 2015 aka Holiday Hack From: "Bob Donaldson" Everyone has received their assignment, as of last night. Start shopping! ================= Date: 21 Nov 2015 08:48:13 -0800 To: Subject: Pre-war Waiver: 1909 T59 Flags of all Nations card From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 07:50:53 -0600 Subject: 1974 Fleer football Immortall roll call From: "ken goetsch" 1974 FLEER FOOTBALL IMMORTAL ROLL CALL I have 24 extras from this set..............all really nice shape.........if anybody is in need....please send me your wants and I will gladly see if I can help out. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 12:12:34 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: White Plains Show From: ChicoD1@aol.com Anyone thinking of going to the White Plains show next weekend? I'm thinking about it and probably will go Sat. Caught up with Bob Reed last time and a few of our dealer friends. Scored a few nice deals and I took it as a nice day out. I love EZPass as I don't even think about the cost of tolls being equal to that of one of bigger missing 59s I need to finish the set LOL... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 14:17:38 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Looking to buy 61 today From: Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2015 21:57:35 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1940 Playball ad backs From: Andy Does anyone know the ads available on different numbers? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 23 Nov 2015 08:05:37 -0800 To: Subject: Come and Get 'Em From: bskp1@aol.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 14:31:05 -0500 Subject: VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values From: "Matt Yudt" Hi All Happy Thanksgiving to everyone ( a few days early, but the kids are off all week - what's with that?) FIRST: I got a message from Mark Antill in VCT about a possible trade - figured those of you in both groups would know him and confirm 'trustiness' or experience with him. Thanks SECOND: After I picked up a lot of 71 OPCs a few weeks ago, I am now intrigued about adding more of course, because this is the sickness after all. So was just wondering about prices and others experience. My soon-to-be 5 year old SCD Vintage guide has the prices (at least for mid to later 70's) very similar to Topps versions. For stars it says 1.5-2X topps. How do those experienced in OPC feel about current prices/values? I just got 20 of the OPC 73 blue team checklists for $0.50 a piece and also 252 of the 264 1977 OPC for $45 with shipping. Those seem like pretty good deals. But the prices on ebay are all over the place and there are a bunch of lots ending in a few hours for similar (as of now) deals. Might pull the trigger on some of those.(if any of you are bidding on those - send me a note, I don't want to start a bidding war with OBCers!) Thanks for any comments Matt Yudt ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:19:49 -0500 To: no name , obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values From: Matthew Glidden Hi Matt, The rarity of 71 OPC high #s is a tough road to head down, unless you're OK spending years finishing them off. I tried for 4-5 years on that set's highs, until I got tired of spending too much time scrounging up marginal singles. I eventually sold most of those to other OBCers who were closer...perhaps one of them finally finished a set? It's not the price exactly, but more the scarcity that's at issue. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hi All > Happy Thanksgiving to everyone ( a few days early, but the kids are off > all week - what=E2=99s with that?) > FIRST: I got a message from Mark Antill in VCT about a possible trade - > figured those of you in both groups would know him and confirm =E2trustiness=E2=99 > or experience with him. Thanks > SECOND: After I picked up a lot of 71 OPCs a few weeks ago, I am now > intrigued about adding more of course, because this is the sickness after > all. So was just wondering about prices and others experience. My > soon-to-be 5 year old SCD Vintage guide has the prices (at least for mid to > later 70=E2=99s) very similar to Topps versions. For stars it says 1.5-2X > topps. How do those experienced in OPC feel about current prices/values? > I just got 20 of the OPC 73 blue team checklists for $0.50 a piece and > also 252 of the 264 1977 OPC for $45 with shipping. Those seem like pretty > good deals. But the prices on ebay are all over the place and there are a > bunch of lots ending in a few hours for similar (as of now) deals. Might > pull the trigger on some of those=E2=A6(if any of you are bidding on those > send me a note, I don=E2=99t want to start a bidding war with OBCers!) > Thanks for any comments > Matt Yudt ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 17:30:32 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: very very "Odd" From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Earlier this month, Joel Freedman send me four DonRuss =E2=9COdd Rod=E2=9D stickers to add to my set. When I put them in their box, I noticed these were slightly different than the others? Kind of =E2=9COdd=E2=9D. So after some research, I discover the original =E2=9COdd Rods=E2=9D were issued in 1969 in a 44 card set, and have a little #25 in the caption on the back. Then in 1970 =E2=9COdder Odd Rods=E2=9D were released numbered #1-#66, but did not have that little #25 in the caption. =E2=9COddest Odd Rods=E2=9D came later that year numbered #67-#132 with a car drawing or sketch on the back. 1971 release was =E2=9COdd Rod All-Stars=E2=9D #1-#66 and I think thebacks are like the original =E2=9COdd Rods=E2=9D but I ain=E2=99tsure 1973 =E2=9CFantastic Odd Rods Series 1=E2=9D these have pink fronts and are numbered #67-#132. Then series 2 =E2=9CFantastic Odd Rods=E2=9D but they have white fronts and are numbered #1-#66 very very odd the second series is numbered before the first series? Also 1973 =E2=9CFabulous Odd Rods=E2=9D don=E2=99t have a captain on the back picture and don=E2=99t say collect all 66 odd rods numbered #1-#66. Don=E2=99t forget Donruss =E2=9CSilly Cycles=E2=9D =E2=9CFiendsand Machines=E2=9D and Topps =E2=9CWeird Wheels=E2=9D Is it =E2=9Codd=E2=9D that I=E2=99m now collecting all of these? Any other =E2=9COdd Rods=E2=9D collectors out here? ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 23:28:55 +0000 (UTC) To: "Glidden, Spike" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values From: tvalacak@comcast.net There is no doubt you will spend a little more money for the OPC's. When I began collecting OPC, I jumped on board because I saw it as a chance to collect those sets from 65-80 that I had so much fun collecting. I do really enjoy these sets, but they are tough - and slow. I had a nice laugh reading about how you had given away some OPC before, and now you are collecting them. I bet that is a common occurrence within our group. I know when I joined OBC, I only went back to the 57 Topps. 52-56 Topps and 48-55 Bowman, I only collected Red Sox and White Sox team sets. I would pick up commons from those years to pass along within the group. Then, at some point, I decided to go for those sets and found myself listing cards I had already sent out.hah!. What goes around comes around. Glad you are taking the dive into the OPC Matt. I know recently, George Vrechek added all OPC, and Peter Mead has added some years. And a few of our members are lucky enough to have put the OPC vintage run to bed. The glory of ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "no name" , "obc ramblings" Sent: Monday, November 23, 2015 4:19:49 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values Hi Matt, The rarity of 71 OPC high #s is a tough road to head down, unless you're OKspending years finishing them off. I tried for 4-5 years on that set's highs, until I got tired of spending too much time scrounging up marginal singles. I eventually sold most of those to other OBCers who were closer...perhaps one of them finally finished a set? It's not the price exactly, but more the scarcity that's at issue. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > wrote: Hi All Happy Thanksgiving to everyone ( a few days early, but the kids are off allweek - what=E2=99s with that?) FIRST: I got a message from Mark Antill in VCT about a possible trade - figured those of you in both groups would know him and confirm =E2trustiness=E2=99 or experience with him. Thanks SECOND: After I picked up a lot of 71 OPCs a few weeks ago, I am now intrigued about adding more of course, because this is the sickness after all. Sowas just wondering about prices and others experience. My soon-to-be 5 year old SCD Vintage guide has the prices (at least for mid to later 70=E2=99s) very similar to Topps versions. For stars it says 1.5-2X topps. How do those experienced in OPC feel about current prices/values? I just got 20 of the OPC 73 blue team checklists for $0.50 a piece and also252 of the 264 1977 OPC for $45 with shipping. Those seem like pretty gooddeals. But the prices on ebay are all over the place and there are a bunchof lots ending in a few hours for similar (as of now) deals. Might pull the trigger on some of those=E2=A6(if any of you are bidding on those - send me a note, I don=E2=99t want to start a bidding war with OBCers!) Thanks for any comments Matt Yudt ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 22:51:26 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The 1971 OPC semi-hi #s seem to be even tougher than the high numbers, although the high numbers cost more. I do not even see many semi or high numbers when I go to the Toronto show. These are drying up quickly, as are the 1965 OPC high numbers (3rd series).The easiest "older" OPC sets to do are the 1969 & 1970. As for pricing, remember the print runs for OPC were only 5 - 10% of that of Topps. As more people gravitate to OPC, the supply is drying up and the prices increasing. Stars are more expensive, especially for the 1960s. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2015 5:32 pm Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values What Spike said..... The first 523 cards, stars included, is relatively easy to put together. The nose bleeders up to #752 aqre a horse of a different color. Few and farbetween and expensive. I think I have about 30 of them--and have occasionally been able to find a few deals. I stress occasionally. The 1970 set is much easier to put together (and so far the 1972 is easier too). I actually had an ex-member send me a near 1977 OPC set as part of the Holiday Hack festivities. peter mead On 11/23/15, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Hi Matt, The rarity of 71 OPC high #s is a tough road to head down, unless you're OKspending years finishing them off. I tried for 4-5 years on that set's highs, until I got tired of spending too much time scrounging up marginal singles. I eventually sold most of those to other OBCers who were closer...perhaps one of them finally finished a set? It's not the price exactly, but more the scarcity that's at issue. On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hi All Happy Thanksgiving to everyone ( a few days early, but thekids are off all week - what=E2=99s with that?) FIRST: I got a message from Mark Antill in VCT about apossible trade - figured those of you in both groups would know him and confirm=E2trustiness=E2=99 or experience with him. Thanks SECOND: After I picked up a lot of 71 OPCs a few weeksago, I am now intrigued about adding more of course, because this is thesickness after all. Sowas just wondering about prices and othersexperience. My soon-to-be 5 year old SCD Vintage guide has the prices (atleast for mid to later 70=E2=99s) very similar to Topps versions. For starsit says 1.5-2X topps. How do those experienced in OPC feel about currentprices/values? I just got 20 of the OPC 73 blue team checklists for $0.50 apiece and also 252 of the 264 1977 OPC for $45 with shipping. Those seemlike pretty good deals. But the prices on ebay are all over the place andthere are a bunch of lots ending in a few hours for similar (as of now) deals. Might pull thetrigger on some of those=E2=A6(if any of you are bidding onthose - sendme a note, I don=E2=99t want to start a bidding war with OBCers!) Thanks for any comments Matt Yudt ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:21:02 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values From: Rick I would not encourage anyone to start the 71 set unless you are willing to spend a few thousand dollars and many years of hard work searching for the cards. The OPC's are enjoyable to do but I too would recommend the 69-70-72-73-75 on up. 65 thru 68 are small sets but tough also. The last time I went to Vancouver I did pick up about 20 dupes but in the previous four trips I didn't get any. I talked to a couple dealers in detail about them and they said they can't find any and any 60's they get go fora lot higher prices. Love the sets someday I will start second sets for a couple of years. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Nov 23, 2015, at 7:51 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > The 1971 OPC semi-hi #s seem to be even tougher than the high numbers, although the high numbers cost more. I do not even see many semi or high numbers when I go to the Toronto show. These are drying up quickly, as are the 1965 OPC high numbers (3rd series).The easiest "older" OPC sets to do arethe 1969 & 1970. > As for pricing, remember the print runs for OPC were only 5 - 10% of thatof Topps. As more people gravitate to OPC, the supply is drying up and the prices increasing. Stars are more expensive, especially for the 1960s. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Mon, Nov 23, 2015 5:32 pm > Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] VCT trader and O Pee Chee card values > What Spike said..... > The first 523 cards, stars included, is relatively easy to put together. The nose bleeders up to #752 aqre a horse of a different color. Few and far between and expensive. I think I have about 30 of them--and have occasionally been able to find a few deals. I stress occasionally. > The 1970 set is much easier to put together (and so far the 1972 is easier > I actually had an ex-member send me a near 1977 OPC set as part of the Holiday Hack festivities. > peter mead > On 11/23/15, Matthew Glidden glidden.matthew@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hi Matt, > The rarity of 71 OPC high #s is a tough road to head down, unless you're OK spending years finishing them off. I tried for 4-5 years on that set's highs, until I got tired of spending too much time scrounging up marginal singles. I eventually sold most of those to other OBCers who were closer...perhaps one of them finally finished a set? It's not the price exactly, but more the scarcity that's at issue. > Spike >> On Mon, Nov 23, 2015 at 2:31 PM, 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> Hi All >> Happy Thanksgiving to everyone ( a few days early, but thekids are off all week - what=E2=99s with that?) >> FIRST: I got a message from Mark Antill in VCT about apossible trade - figured those of you in both groups would know him and confirm=E2trustiness=E2=99 or experience with him. Thanks >> SECOND: After I picked up a lot of 71 OPCs a few weeksago, I am now intrigued about adding more of course, because this is thesickness after all. So was just wondering about prices and othersexperience. My soon-to-be 5 year old SCD Vintage guide has the prices (atleast for mid to later 70=E2=99s) very similar to Topps versions. For starsit says 1.5-2X topps. How do those experienced in OPC feel about currentprices/values? >> I just got 20 of the OPC 73 blue team checklists for $0.50 apiece and also 252 of the 264 1977 OPC for $45 with shipping. Those seemlike pretty good deals. But the prices on ebay are all over the place andthere are a bunch of lots ending in a few hours for similar (as of now) deals. Might pull the trigger on some of those=E2=A6(if any of you are bidding onthose - send me a note, I don=E2=99t want to start a bidding war with OBCers!) >> Thanks for any comments >> Matt Yudt ================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 13:00:17 -0600 To: "" , john harrell Subject: 65's completed From: john harrell Picked up the Aaron today to finally put away the 65 Topps set. I should have done it long ago but always kept getting sidetracked by other sets. Getting close on the 60 Topps set and down to around 40 on the 64 Topps set. ================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 21:37:40 -0500 To: obcjohn@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 65's completed From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Congratulations on completing the set on its 50th anniversary! Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: john harrell obcjohn@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: ; john harrell Sent: Tue, Nov 24, 2015 2:00 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 65's completed Picked up the Aaron today to finally put away the 65 Topps set. I should have done it long ago but always kept getting sidetracked by other sets. Getting close on the 60 Topps set and down to around 40 on the 64 Topps set. ================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2015 22:52:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 65's completed From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Nicceeeeee! Gotta love when one gets put to bed! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 11/24/2015 2:00:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Picked up the Aaron today to finally put away the 65 Topps set. I should have done it long ago but always kept getting sidetracked by other sets. Getting close on the 60 Topps set and down to around 40 on the 64 Topps set. ================= Date: 25 Nov 2015 08:59:00 -0800 To: Subject: Re: 65's completed From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 17:44:05 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: re: 65's completed From: LAWRENCE TIPTON Atta boy Bama! ================= Date: 25 Nov 2015 14:44:43 -0800 To: Subject: Some waivers tonight From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2015 15:55:33 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Guy on net54 From: Rick There is a guy on net54 who donates his uv cards to a teacher and he was running out of cards to give away. He was looking for people who had some to give away. I contacted him hoping he was close to someone in the group but unfortunately he lives in Texas Dallas/fort worth which I don't know if we have anyone close. Do we? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 26 Nov 2015 05:54:25 -0800 To: Subject: Happy Thanksgiving! From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: 26 Nov 2015 05:57:36 -0800 To: Subject: Boxing Exhibit cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 11:07:41 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Boxing Exhibit cards From: Joshua Levine Mike (and all), The following link will take you to Adam Warshaw's site. He wrote the book on boxing cards (literally...I think it is in its second or third printing now). He knows everything there is to know about boxing cards and exhibits (his two passions). So, that being said, he will certainly be able to help you. He is a great guy and a local friend. His collection (before he sold much of it off this year) was one of the premiere exhibit and boxing card collections in the country. http://www.americasgreatboxingcards.com/ -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2015 5:57 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Boxing Exhibit cards I have a 1985 Guide for Football, basketball, hockey and boxing cards. It has a few boxing Exhibit lists, but I have some that are not listed. Specifically, I have some 1921 Boxing Exhibits. I think I have Boxing Exhibits from at least 6 different issues. Does anyone have info on Boxing Exhibits? Mike Rich ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2015 13:23:32 -0500 To: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Boxing Exhibit cards From: BBC Trading Adam also frequents (at least he did) the Net54 boards. If you post scans and questions in the boxing forum he will likely respond with help. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 26, 2015, at 11:07 AM, "Joshua Levine Wite3@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Mike (and all), > The following link will take you to Adam Warshaw's site. He wrote the book on boxing cards (literally...I think it is in its second or third printing now). He knows everything there is to know about boxing cards and exhibits (his two passions). So, that being said, he will certainly be able to help you. He is a great guy and a local friend. His collection (before he soldmuch of it off this year) was one of the premiere exhibit and boxing card collections in the country. > http://www.americasgreatboxingcards.com/ > Joshua > -----Original Message----- > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2015 5:57 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Boxing Exhibit cards > I have a 1985 Guide for Football, basketball, hockey and boxing cards. It has a few boxing Exhibit lists, but I have some that are not listed. Specifically, I have some 1921 Boxing Exhibits. I think I have Boxing Exhibits from at least 6 different issues. Does anyone have info on Boxing Exhibits? > Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2015 05:33:44 +0000 (UTC) To: yahoogroups Subject: One goes down one goes up From: nick pelletier Happy thanksgiving to everybody. ONE DOWN-This morning before going to my families thanksgiving dinner I found the last two cards i needed for my 1962 Topps hockey set. Best patwas they were both from the same seller and both were Buy it now-OR BEST OFFER! Without sending a number, I contacted him as to how he would like to negotiate on two separate items. He quickly responded and threwme a number that was even lower than I was expecting to be for the pair. SOLD! set done. ONE UP-It may be a mistake but the new set I have decided to list is the 1909 T 51 Murad College Series. I didnt know a set like this existed until maybe two weeks ago. When I saw the Minnesota card my first thought was how much it looks like the 1935 National Chile Bronko Nagurski. Ive found some info about the set on net54. Does anybody have more knowledge of this set? Are there any silly difficult SP's to find? Anybody else done this set? Nick PelletierNachobcards@yahoo.com ================= Date: 27 Nov 2015 17:07:17 -0800 To: Subject: Another one bites the dust - 1953 Redman From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: 28 Nov 2015 08:47:21 -0800 To: Subject: thanks to From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 09:03:14 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: LOT OF 8 1958 HIRES ROOT BEER CARDS W/ TABS THOMAS NIXON BROWN LOCKMAN JONES +3 From: Rick Just bought these been making slow progress on the set but only looking forones with no tabs. Thought this has to be a good deal with tabs attached. Anyone collecting the set with tabs and what do they normally go for? View item: LOT OF 8 1958 HIRES ROOT BEER CARDS W/ TABS THOMAS NIXON BROWN LOCKMAN JONES End Time: Nov 28, 2015, 8:46:55 AM PST Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 28 Nov 2015 09:17:28 -0800 To: Subject: Nick Covello From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 12:28:52 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Cincinnati report From: ShoelessWes I went to the Moeller show on friday, but didnt have a whole heck of a lotta time (or money=B3) Did see Ken Pillion and Gersh, but only briefly as we were late for turkey north of Dayton. Sorry dudes. There was a lot of nice 1 and 5 dollar boxes, went to JDs table and picked up a bunch of cheap Posts, as well as a 69-70 hoops Havlicek rc for 20 bucks, beautiful shape even. That set is down to the Alcindor only. Ive met and dealt with dealer Ryan Peterman about 5 times this year, alwaysa treat, always reasonable for off grade stuff, and he usually has a lot. Got a 53 topps Ford and some SP high#s for quite reasonable, with a small stack of 55 bowmans, all under $40. After that i was done. Didnt go to any other Nolan came along, lookin for post war non sports in dollar boxes, and running around looking for razzle dazzle items of splendor. I saw a lot of great stuff at reasonable prices, and even some hockey too. Couldnt really bird dog, as i was unsure if I'd attend. A couple waivers coming soon! Cheers, Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: 28 Nov 2015 18:56:57 -0800 To: Subject: My Cincinnati report From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 08:30:21 -0800 Subject: St Leander Show report From: "George Vrechek" OBCer Mark Macrae and his mother have been running a bi-annual show at St. Leander's gym in San Leandro, California, outside Oakland for many years. I have made it there the last three years for the post Thanksgiving Saturday shows. $2 admission for seniors. Mark has a long waiting list of dealers who would like to set up at the show but he intentionally keeps it small and vintage. Despite only enough dealers and cards that will fit in a small gym, I have always found good stuff at the show and run into collector/dealers who enjoy talking about cards and the hobby. At the first table John Wharton had T218s and remembered me from the prior year. I am collecting back variations and it is starting to get harder to find what I need. John had 15 cards I needed for $58 total, including some third series cards. I also picked up a 1976 Topps hockey glossy to finish my set. A few tables away Ron Knecht and I talked for awhile and then I bought a miscut 1953 Sid Hudson ("variation" - see SCD's next issue), a wrinkled 1953 Bowman Bobby Layne and 4 1962 Post footballs, plus an OPChee throw in for about $25 total. I couldn't resist buying 11 1954 Topps with scrapbook remains on the back for $1 each at another table. Got 10 nice 1963 Fleer footballers for $15 at another table. Bill Waite had a nice collection of exhibits. My needs are not easy, but I was able to pick up three red-ink 1962 stat back variations in nice shape of Musial, Clemente, and Spahn for $40 total. I resisted getting into the many PCL cards that were at the show. I missed seeing Topps photographer Doug McWilliams who was briefly at the show. I wrote an article about him but hadn't met him. He remains on my want-to-meet list. Great show to tide me over on my California winter. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 11:39:49 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Plug for a great OBC-friendly dealer From: Steve Rittenberg This week I received a few cards ordered from OBC friendly Dealer, John Morrison, oldbbcards@aol.com When I opened the puffy, there was a bonus inside. Several other cards that John threw in there. I've held a couple back for my sets and want to put the rest on waivers (as well as tell everyone about the source). If you like sending your wantlist to a dealer, John is very easy to work with. All the waiver cards are heavily worn with rounded corners. 1950 Bowman 7 Jim Hegan Indians 14 Alex Kellner A's 27 Herman Wehmeier Reds 106 Cliff Fannin Browns 124 Clyde McCullough 126 John Thompson Phillies (later Georgetown Hoyas) 151 Fred Hutchinson Tigers I will try to add to these waivers from my dupes boxes though I know that will delay delivery. Steve Rittenberg ================= To: Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 09:49:39 -0800 Subject: Burdick on expanding collecting interests From: "George Vrechek" We have often written about what to collect next and running into difficulty in finding cards. I thought the following excerpt from an article I wrote about Burdick's Card Collectors Bulletin was worth sharing with OBCers again. I think of OBCers like role models Larry Tipton and Mike Rich who have followed Burdick's advice. George Vrechek The October 1962 (Card Collectors Bulletin) issue had every color of paper in the rainbow with every page different - Bray's attempt at high design. Jefferson Burdick had reduced the frequency of articles at this point. He wrote his last article for the Bulletin: "Collecting Notes on an Autumn Day." His subject was collecting and recalled a friend who initially limited his collection to three ferryboat pictures. "There are probably many who limit their collections much more than they should. Even the sports collectors, after a period, reach a point where little can be obtained other than new issues and those -as vast as they are - do not quite satisfy the full-blooded collector. There are but two legitimate limiting factors: available time and money." Burdick went on to describe ways of collecting within your means, expanding your horizons and buying lots. "Rather than quit in a flurry of frustration, the remedy is to expand the interest to balance the time available for collecting. The field is sufficiently large to accommodate all normal collecting needs and a bit of exploration in these untried fields will make you wonder why you passed them up for so long." ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 16:31:28 -0500 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Burdick on expanding collecting interests From: Jimi Thayer I think this is fantastic advice, George. I'm trying to jump on this idea as well. Thanks for sharing! Sent from my iPad > On Nov 29, 2015, at 12:49 PM, 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > We have often written about what to collect next and running into difficulty in finding cards. I thought the following excerpt from an article I wrote about Burdick=E2=99s Card Collectors Bulletin was worth sharing with OBCers again. I think of OBCers like role models Larry Tipton and Mike Richwho have followed Burdick=E2=99s advice. > George Vrechek > The October 1962 (Card Collectors Bulletin) issue had every color of paper in the rainbow with every page different =E2=93 Bray=E2=99s attemptat high design. Jefferson Burdick had reduced the frequency of articles atthis point. He wrote his last article for the Bulletin: =E2=9CCollecting Notes on an Autumn Day.=E2=9D His subject was collecting and recalled a friend who initially limited his collection to three ferryboat pictures. =E2=9CThere are probably many who limit their collections much more thanthey should. Even the sports collectors, after a period, reach a point where little can be obtained other than new issues and those -as vast as they are - do not quite satisfy the full-blooded collector. There are but two legitimate limiting factors: available time and money.=E2=9D Burdick went on to describe ways of collecting within your means, expanding your horizons and buying lots. =E2=9CRather than quit in a flurry of frustration, the remedy is to expand the interest to balance the time available for collecting. The field is sufficiently large to accommodate all normal collecting needs and a bit of exploration in these untried fields will make you wonderwhy you passed them up for so long.=E2=9D ================= Date: 29 Nov 2015 13:43:15 -0800 To: Subject: A trio of 64 Availables From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2015 19:30:44 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Cincinnati report From: Jimi Thayer Seems like I need a reminder for the Dayton-area shows. Give me a heads upnext time! :) Sent from my iPad > On Nov 28, 2015, at 9:56 PM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Seems like Wes, Ken & Gersh all went to the big Cincy show yesterday, so I was the lone OBCer in attendance today (we need to get West Virginia's Greg Henthorn here, plus convince Jimi Thayer to make the trip too, since he's only about 2 hours away. The next one is in April, fellas, so clear your calendars!). I went with the goal of 1) pick up a bunch for my Holiday Hackvictim, b) find at least one of the damn elusive 1958 yellow letters, and c) anything else. > Not one stinking yellow letter variation that I needed. Damn. I almost pulled the trigger on a 1969 white letter, but it was a couple bucks more than I wanted to spend, so I passed on that. I picked up a bunch of cards for my Holiday Hack victim, but I won't go into detail other than to say I got a nice deal from Pittsburgh-area dealer Bobby Hall for about 30 cents per card, and these babies have razor-sharp corners and no creases. Bobby is a perfect OBC-type dealer and a super nice guy. Gotta introduce him to a few more members so we can get him OBC-certified, so hopefully he'll set up at Strongsville & the northern Ohio chapter of OBC can meet him > I swung by Paul Korst's table & handed him his 1958-style OBC-Certified Dealer card, which he loved. > My big pickups came at a table where I spied a monster box that said "allcards 10 cents". I saw a bunch of trimmed (and some of these babies were REALLY trimmed) 50's cards, so I pulled them all out. I ended up with 70 cards, including 1949 Leaf (Kiner, Doerr, & Appling), a ton of 1952 & 1953 Topps, some '53 Bowman color, and a pair of well-loved 55 Bowman. I didn't even consult my WL, figuring if I didn't need them they would be perfect for OBCers. After I got home I discovered I had all of the 1953 Topps - BUT - 11 of them were back bio variations I didn't have. I wasn't collecting the red/black bio variations before today. I swear I wasn't. But of course, now I am, considering I picked up about 25% of them for 10 cents each. > My last stop was J.D, Heckathorn's table, where he pulled out a binder of1953 Topps for me in pretty decent shape. Funds were getting low, but I pulled 4 high numbers and a Bob Feller (complete with tape and a crease) for a total of 25 bucks for all 5 cards. All in all, I didn't get a bunch for my sets, but it was a good show nonetheless. > I'm not a big autograph guy, but if I was, this show is the one to get them if you are a Reds fan. They always have a bunch of Big Red Machine era Reds, & today my HOMer Davey Concepcion was signing. > Tom H. ================= Date: 30 Nov 2015 04:26:39 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Cincinnati report From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 05:12:59 -0800 To: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My Cincinnati report From: Rick My Cincinnati report is my son went there a month ago on the way to Kentucky and said you guys have a cool city he really enjoyed it Sent from my iPad > On Nov 30, 2015, at 4:26 AM, directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Here are the scheduled 2016 shows run by OBC-friendly J.D. Heckathorn in Columbus: > January 30 & 31 > April 2nd & 3rd > June 11th & 12th > July 30th & 31st > September 10th & 11th > November 5th & 6th > The show's new location is at the Hilliard Fairgrounds (west side of Columbus), 4100 Columbia Street Hilliard OH > The next big Cincy show won't be until the end of April, although they have monthly shows in Sharonville (Cincy suburb) with some vintage dealers, but that may not be worth the drive; check out the show schedules at cincycardshows.com. The Moeller HS shows (April & November) always feature a LOT of of Reds past & present as autograph guests, if you are into autographs. The next Strongsville show is in April also, I believe, but I'm not sure of the > Tom ================= Date: 30 Nov 2015 23:55:19 -0800 To: Subject: The 1969 story... From: uthminsta@hotmail.com