================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 07:37:27 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2015 Goals From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Last year I had 4 goals and i believe I hit them so here goes 2015. Last year I wanted to knock one of the three 1962 Post football cards off my list as i hadnt seen any of the three cards ever. In the month of December I found all three and that set is put to bed. 1 had 13 1952 topps left at the start of 2014 wanted to knock five off. I now have 5 left which i would like to get 4 off. Lets face getting that Mantle might be a life long dream. 1962 Jello I have 46 left I like to knock a few cheap ones if there is such a thing. 1963 Jello I am down to 5 and like the Post football cards o hope that it not a life long dream with Billy williams being the hardest. i have several football sets but that may be a quest in the future. ================= To: "obc" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 07:56:47 -0600 Subject: New [2nd. set] football needs listed From: "ken goetsch" I have added 1980 Topps football 2nd set wants..........any condition is fine........listed below is my wants 1980 TOPPS FOOTBALL-]2nd.set needs]-listed 1-1-2015. Any condition-2,4,10,15,19,20,23,33,35,38,40,42,56,57,70,78,85,90,95,105,107,110,116,127,130, Any help greatly appreciated...................I also have a bunch to tradeif you are putting a set together, yourself. Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:41:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2015 collecting goals From: Doug As I am one of the few in my office building right now perhaps my first goal should be to work less, but I don't see that happening! 2014 was a really good year, despite not going to a single show or steppinginto a single card shop. Thank goodness for eBay and OBC! Nothing too dramatic but here goes. 1. Complete the 1954 Bowman set. Down to four with three commons and Reese, so shouldn't be that tough. 2. Cut the wantlist for the 1956 Topps set from 65 down to 20. Mostly down to TCs and commons left. 3. Cut my 70s era Kellogg's wants down to five (about 20 total needed right now over three last sets). Should be able to finish at least one of these 4. Cut the 1962 Post set list in half(about 45 left now) 5. Increase the number of ROAKs sent out significantly. 6. Create and maintain a "top ten most wanted" list. 7. Organize my sports room and keep it that way. 8. Avoid starting any new sets. (Always break that one) 9. Cut back on one side collection. I am thinking either the Mad Magazines or Captain America comics need to go. Leaning to finding a new home for the Mad Magazines and books. 10. Attend at least one card show in 2015! They have some in Hickory NC and that is only 90 minutes away. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 10:06:27 -0600 To: "" Subject: Goals for 2015 From: john harrell With my retirement in 2013 and a reduced income, my collecting speed has slowed to a crawl. As always, the generosity of OBC continues to astonish me as, despite my limited activity, cards continue to flow to Mungumry. I did manage to achieve a few of my 2014 goals: 1) Reduced my T205 list to 4 from 6. The last 4 are going to be tough (Cobb, Johnson, Speaker, Wilhelm). 2) Reduced the R312 list from 7 to 4. 3) Reduced the Batter Up list from 23 to 16 (all high #'s) 4) Reduced the Sport Kings list from 6 to 4 (Ruth, Cobb, Grange, Thorpe) 2015 Goals: 1) Pick up 1 of the T205's 2) Pick up 2 of the R312's 3) Pick up 4 of the 16 Batter Up's 4) Pick up either Grange or Thorpe from the Sport Kings. 5) Try to complete the 65 Topps set (down to 12) 6) Try to send as many packages as I can and replenish the dupes box. I'd be happy if I could reach any 2 of the "Pick Up's" and increase the number of packages sent out. I hope everyone in OBC has a truly "error-free season". ================= Date: 01 Jan 2015 09:18:58 -0800 To: Subject: Collecting Goals From: b_betza@yahoo.com ================= Date: 01 Jan 2015 10:37:08 -0800 To: Subject: 2015 From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 21:14:34 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waiver wire's sent--still some pinups left From: 7:30 AM on Jan 1st is a great time to hit the post office. As long as the automated kiosk is working (50-50 chance), no lines and you don't feel guilty about dropping off a dozen or so items. All the requests for the waiver wire have been sent--most got something, some, hopefully, a few extras to make it worth the effort of mailing. If anyone needs any 67 pinups, still have a few left. ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 18:16:30 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: How'd I do? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Before I get to that, I'm on Amazon looking at the Standard Catalog of Baseball cards. Is it worth going for the newest? Is there that much difference the past 3 years in the pricing? I get free shipping over $35 from Amazon direct sellers. I SO wish they would come out with an E-Book version. The last was 2011 :-(. Leaning toward the 2013 @ $10.61. 2014- $23.92 2013- New- $20.44 Amazon -- New w/ shipping $10.61 2012- Used Like New w/ shipping- $6.99 I sent a post about a 57 Dodger team set that I needed the 6 biggies from. I spent a lot of time figuring how much to bid for the lot. Well, it was less than all my math calculations figured out. Amazing how you try to skew numbers to fit the budget or convince yourself "but I can knock all off in one shot". Here's the ebay post, how'd I do? (I needed Drysdale, Campy, Zimmer, Koufax, Team, Sluggers). _http://www.ebay.com/itm/291338339332?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/291338339332?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&autorefresh=true) Thanks to those who sent help earlier regarding today's values of my big 6. It helped a lot! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 21:52:17 -0500 Subject: Brian B - Collecting Goals From: richard dingman I can help you with a '53B color #159 Vernon, a nice G but with a nipped corner. LMK if you still need it. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 09:18:58 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Collecting Goals I always love these topics-- seeing where everyone is in their collections and how others collect-- and as my co-workers pointed out I do tend to ramble on a bit so posting is fun!! 2014 Successes: 1) Finish my Pirate vintage Bowman run (11 remaining) (DONE!!)--- Never dreamed it would be possible 3) Attend the 2014 National in Cleveland--(Done!!!!!)--Probably the most fun I've had in a long time-- I would encourage everyone to attend one for a few days---interaction with other OBC'ers is a lot of fun---and you get cards 4) Finish my 1972 Topps Football low numbers (need Staubach RC)-DONE! 6) Add 10 '53 Bowman Color hits (Done!) 8) Add 15 1964 Topps hits Done! 9) Add 10 1957 Topps hits (Done) 10) Get one more vintage Pete Reiser item (Done!--1948 Sports Thrills) 2014 Misses 2) Reduce my vintage Pirate Topps run to 10 (21 remaining)--have some toughcards left--adding a bunch I missed in my initial list (Leader cards/multi-player cards) in the middle of the year didn't help either!! 4) Finish my 1971 Topps Football (need Bradshaw RC)---- I went in with a price I was willing to pay---and never came close--- will need to increase my acceptable figure to get this one done! 5) Add 5 more '48 Bowman hits (2 so far)-- just never focused on it 7) Add 20 '53 Bowman Black and White hits (7 so far)-- harder to find than I thought--probably an unrealistic goal I will add that I had a hope to hit every list this year--- ended up far short--- realistically some don't have lists or don't have lists that have been updated in years and others have lists that exceed the typical dup box so I guess I did OK. It really makes you appreciate the effort of some guyswho manage to hit everyone all at once---or in some cases make multiple rounds. Shooting for 100 lists this year. If you are still reading --thanks-- on to 2015! 2015 Goals 1) Reduce my vintage Pirate Topps run to 14-currently at 21 2) Finish my 1971 Topps Football set (need Bradshaw RC)3) Finish the 1964 Topps set -currently at 64) Finish the 1958 Topps Football set-currently need 35) Finish the 1959 Topps Football set-currently need 46) Get the last 2 '53 Bowman Color commons (157(Lollar) and 159 (Vernon)) and 1 additional hit7) Reduce my 1968 list to 3---currently at 98) Finish the 1961 Golden Press set--need 39)Finish the 1972 Kelloggs ATG set--need 210) Get 5 more hits for my 1957 set Think they are realistic enough to have a shot--- wish I could add the Chicago National but not looking likely--Thanks for reading!!Brian Betza ================= Date: 01 Jan 2015 19:06:58 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day one. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 1 Jan 2015 19:10:01 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 From: John Dahms Happy new year everyone in OBC land. 2014 was an up and down year for me collecting wise. it seems as if I couldn't get the mojo going for long enough to do much of anything. I was able to do about 60-70 percent. not too shappy. thanks for reading all. 2014 goals 1a. finish my 59 topps set (down to 3 cards) finished at the nationalthanks to Steve R. for finding me a deal. 1b. get my 67 topps baseball set down to final card (Seaver) with possiblility of finishing if find a good deal. failed on this one. I do have it down to 4 cards. 2. get my 66 topps baseball set down to 5 cards. (need 12 at this time) my count was totally off on this one last year (darned gremlins) made some headway but not down to the 5 3. make my 75 topps mini set a high priority set and finish it (need 33 cards, all stars) did this and had a bit of luck on the cards 4. continue chipping away at my early 60's hi numbers and 50's sets and finish my 65 embossed and 68 game sets. yes on t hi numbers, some 50's and my game set, no on the embossed 5. start a few hostess and kelloggs sets. yes on these 6. attend the spring sun times show and the national in august. yes on these and had a blast! 7. work hard to recipricate when cards are sent to me as best as I can, anddo a better job at sending out ROAK (random act of kindness) envelopes whenever I can. (same as last year) yes as with every year I will strive to send thanks out and my wantpage updatedin a timely manner. yes 1. take my 67 topps set down from 4 cards to 1 (seaver) 2. cut my 66 topps down to 7 from 16 3. finish my 65 embossed set 4. cut my 59 topps football set needs in half from 10 down to 5 cards. 5. work on my 70's second sets (and don't start any more of these!) 6. set up a top ten list on my want page. 7. be timely in my thanks and wantlist page 8. send out RAOK's and my mass christmas mailing. 9. attend either the spring sun times show or the strongsville show (or both) thats it folks. if you are still reading this I appreciate it. and have agood John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ On Thu, 1/1/15, tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 1, 2015, 1:37 PM Happy New Year OBC. Although I have never set any collecting goals, I love reading about them. This past year, through the generosity of this great group, my 1952 Bowman set was put to rest, as was my 1978x9 project. The 52 Bowman completion was the result of yet another Stan Hack moment. Stan put together the last 7 cards I needed to complete that set =E2=93 included the Mick! Hero status for Stan. As for the 78 set, it was HOFer Lynn Miller who sent me the final 17 cards =E2=93 including multiple Eddie Murray rookies. I cannot thank this group enough for giving that continues. This is truly the most unique and special collecting group out there. For the collection overall, I was able to add a few 52 high numbers, some great pre-war red sox and white sox cards, vintage Blackhawks cards, some cool non-sports, as well as hundreds of hits to the vintage football lists. I like to keep tabs on the number of Topps cards I need to complete my run. But in reviewing the numbers yesterday, something is messed up. I will have to take a look at where I went wrong. Currently, I need 103 cards to complete the run, all either from the 51 Blue backs, or the 52 Topps set. I have not put a number on what I need for the Bowman run, maybe that=E2=99s something I will take a look at. For the collection, I do have a few things I would like to accomplish. 1. 1.Take aim at the 51 Topps Blue Backs. 2. 2.Knock off another 5 high numbers from the 52 set3. 3. Work on some of thelow number cards needed for the 52 set4. 4.Complete an OPC set. My 69 is down to 4 cards. 70 and 71 are short as well5. 5. Finish my White Sox t206 team set6. 6.Hit hit hit and add add add to the pre-war collection7. 7.Get to some shows. I went the entire 2014 season without a show. Looking forward to the big shows here in Chicago and meeting up with the FOOT gang and the National attendees. 8. 8. More ROAK=E2=99sI=E2=99m sure there are more, but that=E2=99s what hits me right now. #7 would be a big one to hit. I miss the shows, miss meeting up with the OBCers. So, if I can get lucky 7 done, it=E2=99s all good. 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I've been reading everyone's goals and figured, for the first time, I'd set some for myself.

For me it's pretty easy, first and foremost - become more active.Ever since joining OBC I've been pretty streaky with my participation, so in 2015 I want to commit to becoming more active more consistently. 

Hit more lists and send out more RAOKs. Shows and shops have pretty much dried up in my area, but I hope to hit some of the bigger NC shows (hopefully meeting up with some of the NC and area OBCer's asbeing based in SC has always meant I wasn't too close to many others). I've also recently discovered a dealer at a local flea market who will sometimes throw OBC material in a 12/$1 box. I've told him the type material I'm interested in, so hopefully he'll know now that he can throw more of that stuff in there and move it when I stop by.

I'm also about 200 cards away from finishing my 1970s Topps run, which is something I never would have thought possible before finding this great group. Most of 2015 will be focused on putting the '70, '71 and '73 sets to bed. I'm down to mostly stars and hi #s, so it'll be a bit of a challenge but definitely within reach.

Thanks OBC and here's to an awesome 2015.

Jimmy "Catfish" Parker
...Save the gum for me!
================= Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 09:27:36 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2015 collecting goals From: Anthony Hello all, Definitely made some strides in my 2014 goals by icing the following: 1978-81 second sets,1962 topps,1950 bowman,1953 bowman,1966 get smart,1966 batman bat backs,1976 Star Trek base set,1974 Evel Knievel base set,1972 Cocoa puffs Harlem globetrotters,1972 topps hoops, 1973 hoops,1951 topps magic set,1975 hockey,1977 fb ,the tanks in the 1950 topps freedom war set I fell short on the following: Finish- 1963 fb ,1965 second set,1961 set ,1955 topps set with a clemente,1961 magic set,1970 super set,1975 twinkie set,1965 Gillian's island set, 1963 hillbillies set,1965 King Kong set,1959 three stooges,harlem globetrotter grey back - (note that most sets have 1-3 cards left to finish) New goals: Finish the fell short list, get 50 hits to the t206 or t205 set,cut the 1948 fb and 1951 fb sets down to within 10,ice the 1964 giants set,1975 and 77hostess set,one of the two 1935 goudeys,1953 bowman black and white ,1976 hoops grey backs, start one hockey set,get down to 10 for the 1954 bowman, Wish me luck Anthony arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 15:06:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 From: richard dingman I, too, am enjoying this thread of 2015 goals and reading each person=92s choices. It helps to be reminded of others' wants now and then without having to look up their webpages. So far I have been able to help out 2 collectors with their new year goals already. Therefore, I have been trying to organize my own goals for the new year. Primarily I am still working to finish my Topps run, 1951 =96 1972 (no high 1952s), and it is down to 17 to go. I would really like to finish this before too much time goes by. A couple cards will be tough/expensive to get (1954 Aaron rookie, 1967 Seaver rookie, 1962 Rookie Parade #591), but most are just the 1966 and 1967 stubborn high numbers, and there are still many variations to hunt down. So those will be my first goal. I will aim to get down to under 10 to go. Secondly, I will be working on my Bowman run (1948 =96 1955) which is down to 74 to go. This will likely never be completed as I can=92t see spending several hundreds of $ for early Mantles or Mays, but there are still many 1949 Bowman commons I can get, variations. I will aim to get down to under 50 to go. Thridly, I will be working on the 1933 Goudeys, Horrors of War (low numbers are now complete), Goudey Indian Gum (still need many of the higher series, but doing well on the low series), G-men (need almost all high numbers, which I probably never will get as I don't ever even see these anywhere), and all the many variations that still continue to pop up (a seemingly endless and increasingly enjoyable source of inexpensive fun and interest). And I want to continue to get to the annual National and to commune via RAOKs (plan to increase these in 2015), thank yous, waivers, dealer scum, and random emails, all of which I enjoy reading, with all OBC brethren. As others have stated often, the National is unique in card shows, and being there with the OBC crew makes it an extremely fun and exciting adventure. Having so many pairs of eyes to search out deals and sharing the joy of others' finds makes me almost feel sorry for folks who attend alone. Thanks much to all of you for keeping the fun and camaraderie in collecting cardboard! Richard Dingman https://sites.google.com/site/richarddingmancards/home ================= Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:29:18 -0500 To: "tvalacak@comcast.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 From: Jimi Wow! Lovin' these! Here are some goals off the top of my head for 2015: 1) I sent 411 packages total in 2014 (at least the ones I remembered to record) to all my groups, so I'd like to raise that total to somewhere in the 500+ range. I probably should cut back....but...NAH! :) 2) Create a more comprehensive HOF Collection. It might seem deep right now, but in reality, I'd like to do more with it, but I will need to spend a lot of time with this to make it a reality. 3) FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS!!!! 4) ...but at the same time, add a bunch of new sets for all sports AND my nonsports lists (which I'm really beginning to love...hint hint hint!!!) LOL 5) Finish my 1970 to 2015 Topps run. Getting close! 6) Get back into prewar more. I used to be a mainstay in prewar, but I've strayed from it. Gotta get back to my roots!! I'm thinking Goudeys, t206s, t205s, E-cards, Play Balls, and more.... 7) Don't give up so easily! Guys who know me from the past in other groupsknow that I can get frustrated with sets and give up and dump what I was collecting. DON'T DO THAT THIS YEAR!!! I did very well with it for the first time ever in 2014, so continue that trend.... 8) Create a few binders like LaShelle did for me. This was an awesome binder, so Brooklyn and I have decided that we are going to make Michael Jackson binders (since she is a fan and we have complete sets of him) and create a similar-type project that LaShelle did....then move on from there and trysome other things. 9) I have 300,000+ UV stuff I'd like to unload to OBC members this year, sostart offering them up on the uvlist server. 10) Print this list and live by it!! :) Thanks again, OBC, for a great time and I look forward to more this coming year!!! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 1, 2015, at 1:37 PM, tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] > Happy New Year OBC. Although I have never set any collecting goals, I love reading about them. This past year, through the generosity of this great group, my 1952 Bowman set was put to rest, as was my 1978x9 project. The52 Bowman completion was the result of yet another Stan Hack moment. Stanput together the last 7 cards I needed to complete that set =E2=93 included the Mick! Hero status for Stan. As for the 78 set, it was HOFer LynnMiller who sent me the final 17 cards =E2=93 including multiple Eddie Murray rookies. I cannot thank this group enough for giving that continues.This is truly the most unique and special collecting group out there. For the collection overall, I was able to add a few 52 high numbers, some great pre-war red sox and white sox cards, vintage Blackhawks cards, some coolnon-sports, as well as hundreds of hits to the vintage football lists. I like to keep tabs on the number of Topps cards I need to complete my run. But in reviewing the numbers yesterday, something is messed up. I will have to take a look at where I went wrong. Currently, I need 103 cards to complete the run, all either from the 51 Blue backs, or the 52 Topps set. I have not put a number on what I need for the Bowman run, maybe that=E2=99s something I will take a look at. For the collection, I do have a few things I would like to accomplish. > 1. 1. Take aim at the 51 Topps Blue Backs. > 2. 2. Knock off another 5 high numbers from the 52 set > 3. 3. Work on some of the low number cards needed for the 52 set > 4. 4. Complete an OPC set. My 69 is down to 4 cards. 70 and 71 are short as well > 5. 5. Finish my White Sox t206 team set > 6. 6. Hit hit hit and add add add to the pre-war collection > 7. 7. Get to some shows. I went the entire 2014 season without a show. Looking forward to the big shows here in Chicago and meeting up with the FOOT gang and the National attendees. > 8. 8. More ROAK=E2=99s > I=E2=99m sure there are more, but that=E2=99s what hits me right now. #7 would be a big one to hit. I miss the shows, miss meeting up with the OBCers. So, if I can get lucky 7 done, it=E2=99s all good. > Happy New Year! > TJ ================= To: Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 16:42:20 -0500 Subject: PreWar Trading? From: "Bob Donaldson" Anyone interested in pre-war trading? I've a number of dups, including some HOFers. I'm interested in hits to my prewar list and just about any T206s. LMK if anything below is of interest. Dygert F-G, Murphy G Mattern G, tape mark and small paperloss on back 68 G 92 G/VG 87 G 107 P 108 P missing corner 111 F stain 115 P, pin holes Tobin F-P Williams P Johnston P, piece of border missing 1931-32 4 in 1 Exhibits (all cut out) Gehrig G Grove F Hallaman VG-EX Benge Ex Koenig P some paper loss Sweetland VG-Ex Reese F, minor paper loss Koenig VG Schang G Goudey Knot Hole LEague Game Card F Salutation Exhibit McCormick VG Ted Williams paper loss upper corner o/w VG W560s (have about 30) mostly F-G some HOFs Diamond Stars 31 CuylerF/G 34 F/G 42 F 33 Goudey 33 F-G 34 F-G 39 Koenig F-G 40 back skinned 59 G some paperloss back 96 VG corner clip 115 VG 131 F back skinned 126 F 133 Lindstrome F stamp back 136 G 167 F-G scrap book residue 171 F-G, some paperloss on back 213 F-G 34 Goudey 38 F-G 35 Goudey Burns/Hemsley/Grube/Weiland F Werber/Ferrell/Ferrell/Ostermueller F 1939 Playball 11 f-p writing 28 f-p writing 34 f-p writing 97 f-p writing 100 f-p writing 108 f-p writing 111 f-p writing 109 f-p writing 109 F gle residue on back 110 G notch 115 f-p writing Ivy B. Wingo 80 Elmer Smith 120 Chas. Grimm 120 Hank Gowdy 80 Max Carey 80 Toney w/ Trees 120 Schocker 120 Hollocher 120 Gowdy 120 L. Bigbee 120 The following are trimmed Chas. Babe Adams ? (skinned) Zeb Terry (skinned) Curtis Walker 120 Johnny Mostil 120 Charles Hollocher 120 Walter Ruether skinned, not trimmed but pieces of border missing Frank Snyder 120 paper loss on back Rixey 120 1941 Playball 31 P 47 F/P 1941 Double Plays (1/2 card) 49 F === Those below are not dups, but I might trade for hits to my pre-war, especially E121 series of 120s Schreck F/P Street G skinned Lord F-P Bowerman G paper loss back Conroy G paper loss back Griffith F trimmed Brown Port F trimmed Steinfeldt P 2 corners missing Ames G scuff Baker SGC 10 Barry F paper loss back Beck F/G Blackburne F Chase both ears frame ends SGC 10 Delahanty VG- Doolan G trimmed Doyle VG- Duffy SGC 10 Dygert VG- Evers SGC 10 Ferguson F Huggins SGC 10 Jones F/G Kleinow SGC A Leach P Magee G paper loss back Mattern G small paper loss back McIntyre G, American Beauty Back Meyers F Oakes F Olmstead P Clip, Cycle Back Phillippe SGC 20 Quinn F, trimmed, paper loss back Schei G, skinned Schaefer GAI 1 Schmidt SGC 10 Schulte F some paper loss back Snodgrass P corner clipped Stanage F, small paper loss back Steinfeldt SGC 10 Stovall F Street VG- Street F Tinker SGC 10 Titus P small hole Wallace SGC 10 Wheat BVG Auth Dooin P, Latham F McBride F/G Lively F Scaefer G (CR) Gainor F/G, notch Gowdy F/G Stanage F Street F/G Lord F/P Oldring VG (notch on border) Criger hole punches VG o/w McQuillan hole punches VG o/w Stanage hole punches VG o/w Bush F/P Leach VG trimmed ================= To: Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 19:01:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 ... and we're off From: "Matt Yudt" Had a great 2014 collecting - Wes killed my 70's decade with the Ryan, Mike RW and others wiped the 69's down to the Mantle, which I got later on ebay. Turned all my Topps run lists in to needs and got to under 2K needed (including 52 hi's). 2015 Goal - Get as many vintage cards I don't have as I can - 1000? 2000? 3500? Need about 3800 to get to ~20K in collection (baseball only) - is that do-able?. So, to get a head start I bought the 660 card 1975 SSPC set (NRMT!) on ebay and it just arrived. First cards of 2015. I put an offer in I didn't expect to get accepted and it did (50%) so I have a nice jump start on above Looking for some advice on good (cheaper) sets to look out for vs the usual collecting individually. Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 4:29 PM To: tvalacak@comcast.net Cc: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 Wow! Lovin' these! Here are some goals off the top of my head for 2015: 1) I sent 411 packages total in 2014 (at least the ones I remembered to record) to all my groups, so I'd like to raise that total to somewhere in the 500+ range. I probably should cut back....but...NAH! :) 2) Create a more comprehensive HOF Collection. It might seem deep right now, but in reality, I'd like to do more with it, but I will need to spend a lot of time with this to make it a reality. 3) FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS!!!! 4) ...but at the same time, add a bunch of new sets for all sports AND my nonsports lists (which I'm really beginning to love...hint hint hint!!!) LOL 5) Finish my 1970 to 2015 Topps run. Getting close! 6) Get back into prewar more. I used to be a mainstay in prewar, but I've strayed from it. Gotta get back to my roots!! I'm thinking Goudeys, t206s, t205s, E-cards, Play Balls, and more.... 7) Don't give up so easily! Guys who know me from the past in other groups know that I can get frustrated with sets and give up and dump what I was collecting. DON'T DO THAT THIS YEAR!!! I did very well with it for the first time ever in 2014, so continue that trend.... 8) Create a few binders like LaShelle did for me. This was an awesome binder, so Brooklyn and I have decided that we are going to make Michael Jackson binders (since she is a fan and we have complete sets of him) and create a similar-type project that LaShelle did....then move on from there and try some other things. 9) I have 300,000+ UV stuff I'd like to unload to OBC members this year, so start offering them up on the uvlist server. 10) Print this list and live by it!! :) Thanks again, OBC, for a great time and I look forward to more this coming Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2015, at 1:37 PM, tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Happy New Year OBC. Although I have never set any collecting goals, I love reading about them. This past year, through the generosity of this great group, my 1952 Bowman set was put to rest, as was my 1978x9 project. The 52 Bowman completion was the result of yet another Stan Hack moment. Stan put together the last 7 cards I needed to complete that set - included the Mick! Hero status for Stan. As for the 78 set, it was HOFer Lynn Miller who sent me the final 17 cards - including multiple Eddie Murray rookies. I cannot thank this group enough for giving that continues. This is truly the most unique and special collecting group out there. For the collection overall, I was able to add a few 52 high numbers, some great pre-war red sox and white sox cards, vintage Blackhawks cards, some cool non-sports, as well as hundreds of hits to the vintage football lists. I like to keep tabs on the number of Topps cards I need to complete my run. But in reviewing the numbers yesterday, something is messed up. I will have to take a look at where I went wrong. Currently, I need 103 cards to complete the run, all either from the 51 Blue backs, or the 52 Topps set. I have not put a number on what I need for the Bowman run, maybe that's something I will take a look at. For the collection, I do have a few things I would like to accomplish. 1. 1. Take aim at the 51 Topps Blue Backs. 2. 2. Knock off another 5 high numbers from the 52 set 3. 3. Work on some of the low number cards needed for the 52 set 4. 4. Complete an OPC set. My 69 is down to 4 cards. 70 and 71 are short as well 5. 5. Finish my White Sox t206 team set 6. 6. Hit hit hit and add add add to the pre-war collection 7. 7. Get to some shows. I went the entire 2014 season without a show. Looking forward to the big shows here in Chicago and meeting up with the FOOT gang and the National attendees. 8. 8. More ROAK's I'm sure there are more, but that's what hits me right now. #7 would be a big one to hit. I miss the shows, miss meeting up with the OBCers. So, if I can get lucky 7 done, it's all good. Happy New Year! ================= Date: 02 Jan 2015 17:09:07 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day two. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: yudts5@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2015 21:29:50 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 ... and we're off From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Personally I love the TCMA issues. Lots of retro sets issued in the late 70s of teams from the beginning through the early 60s. Price is generally inexpensive when they can be found. Not big sets, so you will need to find a lot of them to get to your goal of 20,000 BB cards, but they are great cards. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: 'Matt Yudt' yudts5@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 2, 2015 7:00 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 ... and we're off Had a great 2014 collecting - Wes killedmy 70=E2=99s decade with the Ryan, Mike RW and others wiped the 69=E2=99sdown to the Mantle, which I gotlater on ebay. Turned all my Topps runlists in to needs and got to under 2K needed (including 52 hi=E2=99s). 2015 Goal - Get as many vintage cards I don=E2=99thave as I can - 1000? 2000? 3500? Need about 3800 to get to ~20Kin collection (baseball only) - is that do-able?. So, to get a head start I bought the 660card 1975 SSPC set (NRMT!) on ebay and it just arrived. First cards of2015. I put an offer in I didn=E2=99t expect to get accepted and it did(50%) so I have a nice jump start on above Looking for some advice on good (cheaper) setsto look out for vs the usual collecting Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Friday, January 02, 20154:29 PM To: tvalacak@comcast.net Cc: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 Wow! Lovin' these! Here are some goals off the top of myhead for 2015: 1) I sent 411 packages total in 2014 (at least the ones I remembered torecord) to all my groups, so I'd like to raise that total to somewhere in the500+ range. I probably should cut back....but...NAH! :) 2) Create a more comprehensive HOF Collection. It might seem deepright now, but in reality, I'd like to do more with it, but I will need tospend a lot of time with this to make it a reality. 3) FOCUS FOCUS FOCUS!!!! 4) ...but at the same time, add a bunch of new sets for all sports ANDmy nonsports lists (which I'm really beginning to love...hint hint hint!!!) LOL 5) Finish my 1970 to 2015 Topps run. Getting close! 6) Get back into prewar more. I used to be a mainstay in prewar,but I've strayed from it. Gotta get back to my roots!! I'm thinkingGoudeys, t206s, t205s, E-cards, Play Balls, and more.... 7) Don't give up so easily! Guys who know me from the past in other groups know that I can getfrustrated with sets and give up and dump what I was collecting. DON'T DOTHAT THIS YEAR!!! I did very well with it for the first time ever in 2014, socontinue that trend.... 8) Create a few binders like LaShelle did for me. This was anawesome binder, so Brooklyn and I have decidedthat we are going to make Michael Jackson binders (since she is a fan and wehave complete sets of him) and create a similar-type project that LaShelledid....then move on from there and try some other things. 9) I have 300,000+ UV stuff I'd like to unload to OBC members this year, sostart offering them up onthe uvlist server. 10) Print this list and live by it!! :) Thanks again, OBC, for agreat time and I look forward to more this coming year!!! Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2015, at 1:37 PM, tvalacak@comcast.net[OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Happy New Year OBC. Although I have never set any collectinggoals, I love reading about them. This past year, through the generosityof this great group, my 1952 Bowman set was put to rest, as was my 1978x9project. The 52 Bowman completion was the result of yet another Stan Hackmoment. Stan put together the last 7 cards I needed to complete that set=E2=93 included the Mick! Hero status for Stan. As for the 78 set,it was HOFer Lynn Miller who sent methe final 17 cards =E2=93 including multiple Eddie Murray rookies. Icannot thank this group enough for giving that continues. This is trulythe most unique and special collecting group out there. For thecollection overall, I was able to add a few 52 high numbers, some great pre-warred sox and white sox cards, vintage Blackhawks cards, some cool non-sports, aswell as hundreds of hits to the vintage football lists. I like to keeptabs on the number of Topps cards I need to complete my run. But inreviewingthe numbers yesterday, something is messed up. I will have totake a look at where I went wrong. Currently, I need 103 cards tocomplete the run, alleither from the 51 Blue backs, or the 52 Topps set. I have not put a number on what I need for the Bowman run, maybe that=E2=99ssomething I will take a look at. For the collection, I do have a fewthings I would like to accomplish. 1. 1. Takeaim at the 51 Topps Blue Backs. 2. 2. Knockoff another 5 high numbers from the 52 set 3. 3. Workon some of the low number cards needed for the 52 set 4. 4. Completean OPC set. My 69 is down to 4 cards. 70 and 71 are short as well 5. 5. Finishmy White Sox t206 team set 6. 6. Hithit hit and add add add to the pre-war collection 7. 7. Getto some shows. I went the entire 2014 season without a show. Looking forward to the big shows here in Chicagoand meeting up with the FOOT gang and the National attendees. 8. 8. MoreROAK=E2=99s I=E2=99m surethere are more, but that=E2=99s what hits me right now. #7 would be abig one to hit. I miss the shows, miss meeting up with the OBCers. So, if I can get lucky 7 done,it=E2=99s all good. Happy New Year! ================= Date: 02 Jan 2015 19:47:23 -0800 To: Subject: 2015 From: kenpillion@windstream.net ================= Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2015 22:45:16 -0600 To: "kenpillion@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 From: John ================= Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 01:52:48 -0500 To: kenpillion@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 06:27:20 -0600 Subject: new 2nd. football sets listed From: "ken goetsch" I have listed second set needs for the following Topps football sets-any condition is fine. 1978, and 1979 TOPPS FOOTBALL.........I have some to trade also. Thanks for any consideration. 1978 TOPPS FOOTBALL 2ND.SET NEEDS-listed 1-3-2015-any condition-3,4,5,7,18,20,25,35,37,39,56,65,68,78,89,91,93,100,107,112,125,137,138,154,162, 1979 TOPPS FOOTBALL 2ND.SET NEEDS-listed 1-3-2015- any condition-1,3,11,18,19,22,23,26,29,32,41,46,47,48,50,55,63,64,76,86,89,92,97,100,102,104, Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 06:40:51 -0600 Subject: disreagrd last message from me. From: "ken goetsch" I was not patient enough............message did finally go through. Sorry............now back to your "wild card" weekend...........................Packers are resting this week..................got to heal up Rodgers.........and Lacy.he took some "shots" last week. Ken G. ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 06:37:58 -0600 Subject: need some help-yahoo groups From: "ken goetsch" I get the OBC want list emails......but I send emails to the want list group email;..but I they don't go thru....I never get them myself.............So that's why I have been sending those messages to the ramblings.........email.......How can I fix this......"not the sharpest" computer guy. Thanks for listening. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 12:12:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Card Show Raleigh NC (OBC Meet-UP?) 1/30 1/31 2/1 From: Larry Tipton Fri Jan 30th 2-7 Sat Jan 31 9-5 Sunday Feb 1 9-4. Info at insidepitchpromotions.com Free parking $7 weekend admission pass. Some shows are heavy with NASCAR items, this one would appear not to be. Taylor says it's a good show. We could meet after the show Saturday for dinner somewhere. I think it's a pretty big show but I'm told one day should be enough to see everything. I thought there might be some OBC members willingto drive to the show. Any interest in a OBC meetup at this 3 day show in Raleigh NC? It's been years since I took a driving "road-trip" and although it's 6.5 hours away I just might do it. I would like to share hotel costs, I'm planning on stayingovernight Fri and Sat but have not made reservations yet. . Bob Neill and Taylor Schock are "local". Anybody else interested? ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 14:11:09 -0500 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Raleigh NC (OBC Meet-UP?) 1/30 1/31 2/1 From: Doug I was thinking of attending the one in Hickory two weekends before, as it is a lot closer t me. The Raleigh show is over our anniversary weekend so I will see if it is on my wife's list of possible activities!! Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2015, at 12:12 PM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Fri Jan 30th 2-7 Sat Jan 31 9-5 Sunday Feb 1 9-4. Info at insidepitchpromotions.com Free parking $7 weekend admission pass. > Some shows are heavy with NASCAR items, this one would appear not to be. Taylor says it's a good show. We could meet after the show Saturday for dinner somewhere. I think it's a pretty big show but I'm told one day should be enough to see everything. I thought there might be some OBC members willing to drive to the show. > Any interest in a OBC meetup at this 3 day show in Raleigh NC? It's been years since I took a driving "road-trip" and although it's 6.5 hours away Ijust might do it. I would like to share hotel costs, I'm planning on staying overnight Fri and Sat but have not made reservations yet. . Bob Neill and Taylor Schock are "local". Anybody else interested? > Guru ================= Date: 03 Jan 2015 12:46:05 -0800 To: Subject: 2015 Goals From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 03 Jan 2015 12:48:39 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day three. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 21:08:17 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Fw: Join my Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf group From: Lynn Miller Before settling in to the NFL playoffs, sign up for the OBC Fantasy Golf League On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:04 PM, Yahoo Sports wrote: #yiv3245292590 .yiv3245292590Btn-primary {display:inline-block;padding:10px 20px;cursor:pointer;text-align:center;zoom:1;text-decoration:none;border:1px solid #053496;color:#fff;background:#3775dd;}#yiv3245292590 .yiv3245292590Btn-primary:hover {text-decoration:none;background:#5370fa;cursor:pointer;}#yiv3245292590 .yiv3245292590Btn-sm {text-align:center;}Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf#yiv3245292590 p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Hello obclynn15@yahoo.com,You have been invited to join Lynn Miller's Private Group in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf.In order to join the group, follow the link above, or go to the game front page and click on the "Sign Up" button to create a team. After completing registration, or if you already have a team, click the "Create or Join Group" button and follow the path to join an existing private group. Then, when prompted, enter the following information...Group ID#: 732 Password: obc The commissioner of this group has sent the following note: --------------------------------------------------------We will send you a confirmation with further details once you have completed the registration process.Go to Game-- Fantasy Golf Commissioner http://golf.fantasysports.yahoo.com/golf | | | | | | | | | | | | You are receiving this email as part of Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf. Please do not reply to this automated message. To learn more about Yahoo's use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. Yahoo Sports is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. | ================= Date: 03 Jan 2015 14:48:54 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver Wire: some 1970 Topps Scratch Offs From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 03 Jan 2015 18:17:26 -0500 To: "Larry Tipton" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Raleigh NC (OBC Meet-UP?) 1/30 1/31 From: "Jimmy Parker" I'm about 3.5 hours away, but would love to try and make it, although it would probably just be for the day Saturday. 

Keep me posted and I'll see how my schedule is shaping up as we get closer.

Thanks,
Jimmy "Catfish" Parker
...Save the gum for me!
================= Date: 04 Jan 2015 06:57:38 -0800 To: Subject: These 3 (including the Mick) belong in OBC! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: 04 Jan 2015 12:04:38 -0800 To: Subject: Some more baseball waivers From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 04 Jan 2015 12:30:49 -0800 To: Subject: Re: These 3 (including the Mick) belong in OBC! From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 22:18:41 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com " Subject: Set Prioritization question From: mark holland I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normal I am going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritize want list? Anybody that has lookedat my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit of starting second sets whenthe first one gets done without establishing any kind of priority. My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30) sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need 21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). And I am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself. Should I list the 67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never lookat a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 set has seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback.Mark Mark Holland Want List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 04 Jan 2015 14:49:04 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day four. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 00:18:55 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 55 ken boyer rc - trade slabbed for non From: mark zentkovich finally finished my 55T team set with an ebay purchase. been looking about 6 months for one in my price range- even bad ones were going for 20-30% of high book.. the one I have is in PSA 1.5 (fair) I would call it good- as it has one crease down the middle only noticable when you tilt the card in the light would like to trade it for non slabbed version in similar condition so it stores a little easier with its neighbors.. thanks, mark zentkovich ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 20:11:31 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question From: richard dingman Perhaps visiting a few other wantlists that you like might help you make upyour Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 22:18:41 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normal I am going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritize want list? Anybody that has looked at my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit of starting second sets when the first one gets done without establishing any kind of priority. My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30)sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). And I am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high number. So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself. Should I list the67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never look at a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 set has seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback.Mark Mark Holland Want List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= To: "'mark holland'" , Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 20:49:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question From: "Bob Donaldson" You want lists look pretty well organized to me. If you get a good deal ona 67 hi number go for it. If not, then pick up the 57 lot. Better yet buy My only request would be that you identify those sets that are second sets.Nothing wrong with starting a second set, but I typically would rather send a card to someone working on a first set, not saying I=E2=99ll never send out cards for a 2nd set, but my preference is definitely first sets. No big deal though Good luck From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 5:19 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normal Iam going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritize want list? Anybody that has looked at my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit of starting second sets when the first one gets done without establishing any kind of priority. My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30)sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). And I am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high number. So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself. Should I list the67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never look at a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 set has seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback. Mark Holland Want List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8843 - Release Date: 12/31/14 ================= To: =?utf-8?B?T0JDLVJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20=?= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 02:10:05 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 ken boyer rc - trade slabbed for non From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:20:11 -0500 Subject: 2015 Collecting goals From: Taylor Schock Wow! I actually found some collecting goals I had from 2007 and 2008. How times change and how collecting habits change with them. LOL In any case, a recap and summary of my 2014 goals. A ) Finish the following sets: i) 1954-1957, 1964 Topps baseball - Done except 1956 (4 cards left). ii ) 1974-76 Topps football - '76 done, '74 and '75 are close. iii) 1888 R&S - Not bad. Down to the last 2 cards (Boston, New York). iv ) 1995 Conlon - Done! B ) Reduce the want list on the following sets: i) 1928 Yuengling - 15 cards - Close. I think it may have been 12 or 13, but 9 came in one group. ii) T205 - 30 cards - Definitely. I may have picked up close to that many at the National. iii) 1970, 1972-1978 Kelloggs - 25 cards - Not really. In fact, I think I expanded by adding all of the variations (well, 'most' of the variations if you don't count the copyright / 1-star, 2-star thingies) iv) Exhibits (non-stat back) - 20 cards - Maybe about half that. v) Topps baseball variations - 20 cards - Yep! Including some bigger ones (no, not the Bakep) C ) Hit the Cleveland National! - With a loving vengence! Another great time and meet-up! D ) Move out more cards than come in! - Yes! And even if I don't count getting rid of my entire Topps run from 1981-2013. Now, onto the 2015 Collecting Goals (short list). A ) Finish the following sets: i) 2 Topps baseball sets (which will be a challenge considering they would be out of 1952 (HA!), 1953 (ha!), 1956, 1961, 1963, 1967) ii ) Topps football (1969 misc, 1970 Glossy, 1974-1976) iii ) N2 American Indian Chiefs (down to the final 3!) B ) Reduce the want lists on the following sets: i ) T205 - knock off another 20 cards. ii ) Yuenglings - knock off another 8 cards. iii ) Non-sports (fill more holes than I create from adding additional sets) C ) Move out even more cards. D ) 2015 National (and as many shows as possible in-between). The timing for the National might be a bit tricky this year, but we'll see soon enough E ) Meet more great traders, re-acquaint with those I've met, and have evenmore http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html ================= To: 'mark holland' , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 21:30:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question From: Taylor Schock I agree with Bob regarding labeling them as 2nd sets. In your case (based on your web site layout), you might want to create a 2nd sets page for just them. It might give you more focus as well. And you can always offer up 2nds as dealer scum (for trade or sale) for help with your other primary sets. I get finding a deal too good to pass up though. To: mholland28412@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2015 20:49:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question Mark You want lists look pretty well organized to me. If you get a good deal on a 67 hi number go for it. If not, then pick up the 57 lot. Better yet buy both. My only request would be that you identify those sets that aresecond sets. Nothing wrong with starting a second set, but I typically would rather send a card to someone working on a first set, not saying I=92llnever send out cards for a 2nd set, but my preference is definitely first sets. No big deal though Good luck Bob From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mark holland mholland28412@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2015 5:19 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normal I am going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritizewant list? Anybody that has looked at my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit ofstarting second sets when the first one gets done without establishing anykind of priority. My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30) sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need 21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). And I am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high number. So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself.Should I list the 67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never look at a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 sethas seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback.MarkMark HollandWant List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5577 / Virus Database: 4257/8843 - Release Date: 12/31/14 ================= Date: 04 Jan 2015 19:18:12 -0800 To: Subject: Re: New [2nd. set] football needs listed From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 04 Jan 2015 22:33:31 -0500 To: Jake Elwell , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 ken boyer rc - trade slabbed for non From: Robert Fitts absolutely! I do it all the time. Most of you have probably noticed thata pSA 1 or PSA 2 is often cheaper than an equivalent non-graded card, so Ibuy them and bust them open. Although right now, I=92m having a hard timebreaking open some SGC T201s because they look so nice. My T201s are halfin a binder and half graded which just doesn=92t work=85 On Jan 4, 2015, at 10:25 PM, Jake Elwell jelwell8@earthlink.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Ken M is right -- it's a great feeling -- and Ken B is suffocating in there! > -----Original Message----- > From: "'cardclctor@aol.com' cardclctor@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Sent: Jan 4, 2015 9:10 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 55 ken boyer rc - trade slabbed for non > Mark, > Don't bother trading. Get out the hammer and screwdriver and "Set the tiptons free!" :-) > Ken M > Sent from my not so smart phone > ------ Original message------ > From: mark zentkovich mzentko@yaho... > Date: Sun, 1/4/2015 7:18 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] 55 ken boyer rc - trade slabbed for non > finally finished my 55T team set with an ebay purchase. > been looking about 6 months for one in my price range- even bad ones weregoing for 20-30% of high book.. > the one I have is in PSA 1.5 (fair) > I would call it good- as it has one crease down the middle only noticablewhen you tilt the card in the light > would like to trade it for non slabbed version in similar condition so itstores a little easier with its neighbors.. > thanks, mark zentkovich > ______________________________________________________________________________ ================= Date: 04 Jan 2015 19:43:57 -0800 To: Subject: Re: new 2nd. football sets listed From: jola.media@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 03:46:43 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Fw: Join my Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf group From: Lynn Miller Have 6 teams so far, would really like to see 6 more. Surely wehave more than 6 golf fans in OBC? League begins Jan 9 with the Hyundai Tournament of Champions in Hawaii. 36 weekends of golf with3 segments; winter, spring, summer. Choose 8 pros each week with 4 starters and players can be inter-changed after the tournament starts to getas many points for your team as you can. Obviously the team with themost points is the weekly winner. And each segment has an overall aggregate winner and then a final season winner. So tee it up! On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:04 PM, Yahoo Sports #yiv4788026891 .yiv4788026891Btn-primary {display:inline-block;padding:10px solid #053496;color:#fff;background:#3775dd;}#yiv4788026891 .yiv4788026891Btn-primary:hover .yiv4788026891Btn-sm {text-align:center;}Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf#yiv4788026891 p {margin:0 0 1em 0;} | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Hello obclynn15@yahoo.com,You have been invited to join Lynn Miller's Private Group in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf.In order to join the group, follow the link above, or go to the game front page and click on the "Sign Up" button to create a team. After completing registration, or if you already have a team, click the "Create or Join Group" button and follow the path to join an existing private group. Then, when prompted, enter the followinginformation...Group ID#: 732 Password: obc The commissioner of this group has sent the following note: --------------------------------------------------------We will send you a confirmation with further details once you have completed the registration process.Go to Game-- Fantasy Golf Commissioner http://golf.fantasysports.yahoo.com/golf | | | | | | | | | | | | You are receiving this email as part of Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf. Please do not reply to this automated message. To learn more about Yahoo's use of personal information, including the use of web beacons in HTML-based email, please read our Privacy Policy. Yahoo Sports is located at 701 First Avenue, Sunnyvale, CA 94089. | ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 04:36:30 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: 2015 collecting goals From: Nick Pelletier Finally, I am getting over the flu and can type this out. I achieved all of my 2014 goals. Some of them were clearly aiming toolow. The one lofty goal isn't really measurable, butI think I achieved it so I did, because I said so. What do I hope to accomplishin 2015......well looking at my want lists Ive set the following as my goals for 2015. 1. Stay on budget. (i put it here last year and it worked so fingers crossed.) (JD you can start laughing again) 2. Send out more RAOK's 3. Attend the National Chicago 2015! 4. Hit 1933 Goudey 23 times. This will give me 80 % of the set. 5. Finish 1965 Topps Embossed (7 to go) 6. Finish 1976-77 Topps basketball (38 to go) 7. Complete 1975 topps Football (311 to go) 8. Complete 1976 Topps Football (c. 326 to go) 9. Complete 1970 Topps Hockey (19 to go)10. Find a spot to put these into my wantlist and keep this up to date as well. Lets see How 2015 Goes. No Matter what-I am sure it will be a great time because of OBC. Thank you to all of OBC. Especially to those of you who actually readeverything I just wrote out. Nick Pelletierthenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: 05 Jan 2015 06:32:50 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day five. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: Larry Tipton Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:23:41 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Raleigh NC (OBC Meet-UP?) 1/30 1/31 From: Taylor Schock Regarding the Raleigh show at the end of January (1/30-2/1) and OBC friendly Uncle Dick will not be there as they are now snow birds who reside in FLA from Kurt Turdot is planning on being there with about 85% of his inventory Chandy Greenholt will likely be there as I can't remember a Raleigh sports card show Chandy did NOT make. I will try to determine status on Jack Zerby and Larrie Dean from Wes at this weekend's combo show (or I guess I could just call them). There are usually a number of other dealers that carry OBC type material as well, so I'lltry to get an idea of who else might fit into that category by this weekend. To: larrytipton@windstream.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 3 Jan 2015 18:17:26 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show Raleigh NC (OBC Meet-UP?) 1/30 1/31 2/1 I'm about 3.5 hours away, but would love to try and make it, although it would probably just be for the day Saturday. Keep me posted and I'll see how my schedule is shaping up as we get closer. Thanks,Jimmy "Catfish" Parker...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 11:39:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question From: cardclctor@aol.com Content-Language: en I think it's all a matter of how you list the sets on your site. You can put a header at the top with your "Top Ten" sets or just list your first sets and then below them list the second sets stating they are second sets and are a lower priority. I've also seen lists where each set was given a low, medium or high priority as it was listed chronologically. As far as what you SHOULD list, list them all! Most people's dupes boxes probably won't have the 60's stars and high numbers you need for your primary sets, but if they're looking at your list, it's to send you something and it's disappointing to come up empty. I think the key is to avoid starting any second going forward... as long as there's SOMETHING on your list that's easy to hit. The second sets I've started were just put on the list (when I came across a good deal on a starter lot) so people would have something to send if they so desired. If you do find a great deal on a starter lot, either exercise will power or get it as either trade bait or to pay it forward. That would mostly depend on your card budget and your tolerance for potentially holding ontoa bunch of dupes waiting for a good trade to come along or an opportunity to send out an epic RAOK (if that sort of thing gets your blood pumping). This might also help yourself out by focusing your own attention to your first sets, so you're not going to shows or searching eBay for stuff you don't REALLY need. I've *tried* to follow my own advice on this and stick to hitting my own list, but I have the luxury of having completed 'The Run', so if I see a card (or lot) with a low price and a high degree of difficulty, I usually scoop it up. I also try to leave the second sets on my list as OBC only - at least until I get down to the last few. I also try not to buy any starter lots unless it's from a set I haven't started - I'm a little more successful at doing this than I am with individual cards (dupes). Hope this Ken M In a message dated 1/4/2015 5:18:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normalI am going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritize want list? Anybody that has looked at my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit of starting second sets when the first one gets done without establishing any kind of priority. My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30) sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need 21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). AndI am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high number. So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself. Should I list the 67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never look at a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 set has seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback. Mark Holland < div id"yui_3_16_0_1_1420408764980_2609">Want List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 12:55:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, faeriedanse@gmail.com Subject: Fwd: Still collecting? From: smartalecx@aol.com Hi Linda Great to hear from you. We miss you here as well. I have forwarded this onto the OBC-Ramblings site and I am sure you will hear from many of us. Hope the holidays went well. Happy New Year to both of you! Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB From: faeriedanse@gmail.com To: smartalecx@aol.com Sent: 1/5/2015 11:51:55 A.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Still collecting? Hi Gary, This is Linda and Tim. Remember us? . How are things going in the group? I guess I miss my old OBC days and trading cards with the guys in the group. What's up with the National? Last time I saw you guys was as at the National in Anaheim. Why hasn't the National come back. I would go to it just to see you wonderful guys again. What happened to Trader Doug? I don't see him as a member. He should be out of the pokey by now. I remember him coming out to California and getting to meet him. I have saved a few modern era Ty Cobb cards to give him in case I ever see him again. ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:18:07 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: New Years goals past & present From: Jake Elwell It's been fun to read everyone's year-end summaries and below is my own. I find my goals are fairly simple and modest now that I've made huge headway on my original initiative when I got back into cards 2 1/2 years ago, i.e. late sixties/early seventies Topps. Thanks largely to OBC, those sets are all either done or pretty close. So now I'm enjoying new challenges, begun with last years "Goals," consisting mostly of older stuff (51-52 Bowman, oldRed Sox). Anyway, it's been a great ride, fellas, and I'm so grateful for all the cardboard and camaraderie. With that, here are my lists -- My Goals for 2014 are below with "results" bracketed: *Undertake 1951-1952 Bowman initiative. [huge success thanks in no small part of numerous OBC hits] *Add Eddie Waitkus to my favorite players list. [done & picked up a few. Found there's not much Eddie stuff around but fun to *Kill 71, 73 and two out of three oddball sets (Deckle, scratch-off, game) [almost got there -- finished 71, 73 and Scratch-Off easily -- still a Maysand a Mantle away from killing the Deckle and the Game] *Get 1970 within 20 and 1972 within 100. Get within 20 of 68-69 Topps Hockey, 70 Football and 71 Football. [succeeded on all except the Hockey, which isn't even close.] *Knock 1961 Fleer down to 50 of the Greats. [yup - down to 33 needed] *Upgrade a few 71, 73 and 74 beaters. [a few - not a big deal for me. Off the list for 2015 -- if it happens it happens.] Goals for 2015: *Organize dupes better so as to hit guys more. My record keeping is disastrous and it makes me less of a contributor. My problem is I hate putting cards in numerical order, which for a card collector is a bit like being a one-armed paper hanger. Maybe saying that will help me mend my ways. *Finish 1970, 1972 and either 68 or 69. *Finish Topps Red Sox run to 1968 (with some grace for 52 highs and Ted Williams *Get within 10 of 61 Fleer. *Finish 71 Topps FB along with either 1969 or 1970 FB. *Decide on a new Football set to build -- I'm thinking 1955 Topps All American (anyone got a starter?). *Get within 10 of 1968 Topps Hockey. *Nail down most of the low # commons from 51 & 52 Bowman. *Pick up a 'Fifties Topps Ted Williams. *Send thanks quicker. *Waive more. THANKS FOR READING -- HAPPY NEW YEAR -- BEST, JAKE ELWELL ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 22:11:54 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: A few more waiver wire posters (1970) and a request for one From: I have a few extra 1970 posters up for grabs: Frank Howard Lou Brock Bert Campaneris Don Mincher Larry Dierker Willie McCovey Frank Robinson Usual rules, please put address in the request. Now, the reverse waiver request. IF anybody has an extra Clemente from this set. I was SURE I had that one, and had a complete set, but I can't find it. Must have walked away. Please, let me know before sending, as, knowing this group, I could well end up with 5 of them. ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 14:29:42 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: January Waivers From: Brandon Wax Come and get 'em. My apologies for not sending out more cards lately. Been a busy holiday season. Please include your address and claim as many as you want (mostly OBC condition): 1962 topps baseball checklist (marked) 441 1968 topps baseball 266, 419, 424 1964 topps 92, 96, 121, 122, 142, 154, 168 1960 topps baseball 41, 42, 45, 144, 180, 186, 189, 191, 201, 202 1969 topps football 31, 66, 87, 121, 122, 135, 167, 178, 183, 204, 204, 204 1970 topps football 228 1966 philadelphia 2, 30, 33, 191 Brandon Wax ================= Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2015 19:24:25 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2015 OBC Membership Poll From: Don Rice I am just alerting you that I have begun the annual ritual known as the OBC Membership survey. An e-mail was sent through the OBC-Announcements server, so everyone /should /get the message. However, this being an imperfect world please let me know if you don't receive that message, and I can send it to you directly. Thanks for your time! ================= Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 21:00:05 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: 2014 goal progress and new ones for 2015 From: Matthew Glidden I made some big and some small steps on 2014 goals, thanks to OBC friends and successful shows, esp at last year's National. The biggest hit was completion of 1934 Goudey, as #37 Gehrig arrived in November, with other progress below. 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) : s*till 3 left (31, 42, 45)* 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) : *done!* 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) : *still 23 left* 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) : *up to 8* 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) : *done!* 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) : *still 3 left (54,357,455)* Blogging went slow (42 total posts), but picked up tough #5 type cards along the way, including 1952 Bedard & Donaldson, 1973 Topps "1953 reprints," and 1967 Kabaya-Leaf! Here are a couple of new targets: 1958 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (30+ left) 1962 Post: cut list to under 10 (20 left) 1977 TMCA/Galasso: cut list in half (60 left) Good luck to all in 2015 and start the countdown to opening day! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: *Matthew Glidden* Date: Wednesday, January 1, 2014 Subject: 2014 goals My goals this year are simple, but not necessarily easy: 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) One solid year of writing will push my type collection blog to 1000 posts, so add that to the pile. Good luck to everyone on their 2014 goals and looking forward to OBC's next ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 08:58:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Meetup Raleigh NC Jan 30-Feb 1 From: Larry Tipton I just made a hotel reservation and I am planning on attending this 3 day show. As the date draws closer, if it looks like winter weather I will cancel. Probable attendees Taylor Schock, Bob Neill, Catfish Parker, Mark Holland. Possible attendee Doug DeJong. Anybody else? I'm staying about 15 minutes away from the show at Springhill Suites (Marriott property) in Cary NC. Sofa bed avail for $45 a night (for anyone who wants to road-trip in) either Friday or Saturday night. Hotel looks nice freeparking free breakfast. Show hours Friday 2-7 Saturday 9-5 Sunday 10-4 Lets plan on eating dinner somewhere together after the show on Saturday! Road Trippin' Guru ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 09:13:02 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: HOF voting today! From: Joel Freedman http://www.baseballhall.org/hof/2015-bbwaa-ballot ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 10:33:50 -0500 To: mholland28412@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Content-Language: en Hey Mark I think you have a good looking wantlist. When I joined OBC, I figured everyone's wantlist included everything from Topps. So if a certain set was not there, I thought they already had it finished. It surprised me when people added a new set. I thought it was already When I joined I listed everything I had. If I did not have it, I wanted it. Because it was a baseball card. When people say low prioirty I figured it was no bid deal so almost why bother as someone would like it more. If you want a second set of something doable and fun, then want it. I suggest you think about the mailbox. When you get a 69 Topps in the mail, How cool is that? would you have rather got something else? If a second set is real fun, then want it. 7 1969 Topps or one card from a set of a guy you never heard of getting you a little closer to finishing an almost imp ossible thing? I will never complete hardly any sets. Quantity is real fun for me. That is why many of us have a UV thing here and there. Baseball cards are so cool and if I was determined to finish a set with a 67 high number something cool would happen only seldom. I collect 10 players, then Giants then sets. So my 3rd copy of the exact same Juan Marichal card is so great. I finished a Marichal thing, a Giants thing and a Topps thing. So, I hope I made since. Think about the mailbox. And A ton of 71 Topps for a great price gave you a bunch of baseball cards and got you something fun and towards something that would be fun or it did not. If finishing a second 69 set would be a real kick then maybe it is not a low priority. I ramble so seldom. Hope this helps. In a message dated 1/4/2015 2:18:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normalI am going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritize want list? Anybody that has looked at my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit of starting second sets when the first one gets done without establishing any kind of priority. & nbsp;My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30) sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need 21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). And I am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high number. So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself. Should I list the 67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never look at a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 set has seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback. Mark Holland Want List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:32:50 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Waiver Wire: Trims and Audies 1954-61 From: Jake Elwell These cards are in need of good homes -- they're either trimmed or what I would call Audie Murphys -- that's right, they've been to hell and back ;-) So claim away, fellas. Priority to those I haven't hit in a while but don'tnobody be shy. Please do include your mailing address. 1954 Topps #19 Johnny Lipon, Baltimore Orioles - borders trimmed, otherwisepretty 1954 Topps #33 John Schmitz, Washington Senators - two punch holes and a chunk torn from the top, possibly by a mouse. 1954 Topps #214 Arnold Portocarrero, Philadelphia A's - borders trimmed, otherwise pretty nice. 1954 Topps #228 Gene Hermanski, Pittsburgh Pirates - borders trimmed, otherwise pretty nice. 1955 Topps #137 Harry Elliott, St. Louis Cardinals - borders trimmed, otherwise pretty nice. 1957 Topps #360 Johnny Groth, KC A's - basement damage - moof, mold spots -rough! 1957 Topps #380 Walker Cooper, St. Louis Cardinals - basement damage - moof, mold, pieces missing - rough! 1959 Topps #100 Bob Cerv, KC A's - basement damage - fading from lime exposure, traces of lime 1959 Topps #101 Alex Kellner, St. Louis Cardinals - standard OBC off-grade 1959 Topps #167 Duke Maas, New York Yankees - pinhole; mouse has eaten one corner 1959 Topps #417 Virgil Trucks, New York Yankees - basement damage - severe fading from lime exposure, traces of lime. If that's not bad enough, his bio reads only, "Yankees gave him his release in April." 1959 Topps #526 HIGH NUMBER Bob Speake, San Francisco Giants - mouse has nibbled one edge, otherwise pretty nice 1960 Topps #155 Charlie Neal, L.A. Dodgers - moldy basement damage to right1/4 of card 1961 Topps #68 Deron Johnson, New York Yankees - worn & stained 1961 Topps #100 Harvey Haddix, Pittsburgh Pirates - basement damage - severe fading from lime exposure, traces of lime. 1961 Topps #128, Rip Repulski, Boston Red Sox - worn but bright 1961 Topps #435 Orlando Cepeda, San Francisco Giants - heavily worn & stained 1961 Fleer Greats #5 Earl Averill - surface wear ================= Date: 06 Jan 2015 09:27:02 -0800 To: Subject: Re: HOF voting today! From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 12:27:51 -0500 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: biggies@aol.com Content-Language: en Bonds maybe In a message dated 1/6/2015 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Bonds, Sosa & McGwire have just a few shy of 2000 HR between them. But will they get even one plaque? ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 11:29:50 -0600 To: "biggies@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: MarkZ Agreed, bonds after 5 yrs on ballot, others no Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:27 AM, "biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Bonds maybe > In a message dated 1/6/2015 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Bonds, Sosa & McGwire have just a few shy of 2000 HR between them. But will they get even one plaque? > Ever?!?! ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:43:34 -0500 To: MarkZ Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: Joel Freedman pedro, randy johnson, biggio and smoltz.......... piazza was close! bonds and clemens only received 36% of the votes. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, MarkZ mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Agreed, bonds after 5 yrs on ballot, others no > Mark Zentkovich > Sent from mark z ipod > On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:27 AM, "biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Bonds maybe > In a message dated 1/6/2015 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > Bonds, Sosa & McGwire have just a few shy of 2000 HR between them. But > will they get even one plaque? > Ever?!?! ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 14:09:38 -0600 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: MarkZ I hope piazza makes it next year Sent from mark z ipod On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:43 PM, "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > pedro, randy johnson, biggio and smoltz.......... > piazza was close! > bonds and clemens only received 36% of the votes. > On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, MarkZ mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Agreed, bonds after 5 yrs on ballot, others no >> Mark Zentkovich >> Sent from mark z ipod >> On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:27 AM, "biggies@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >>> Bonds maybe >>> In a message dated 1/6/2015 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >>> Bonds, Sosa & McGwire have just a few shy of 2000 HR between them. But will they get even one plaque? >>> Ever?!?! ================= Date: 06 Jan 2015 17:09:51 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day six. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 20:56:44 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I've been watching all the debate on the MLB channel for a month now. All the talk pro and con for the steroid era players. It's time Pete Rose got in. No one played the game with greater passion and the "right" way. Whatever happened after his playing days, no effect of the fact that he has the most hits in history. And he wasn't aided by the "clear"... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/6/2015 3:09:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I hope piazza makes it next year Sent from mark z ipod On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:43 PM, "Joel Freedman _jefreedman1@gmail.com_ (mailto:jefreedman1@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: pedro, randy johnson, biggio and smoltz.......... piazza was close! bonds and clemens only received 36% of the votes. On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, MarkZ _mzentko@yahoo.com_ (mailto:mzentko@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Agreed, bonds after 5 yrs on ballot, others no Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:27 AM, "_biggies@aol.com_ (mailto:biggies@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Bonds maybe In a message dated 1/6/2015 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) Bonds, Sosa & McGwire have just a few shy of 2000 HR between them. But will they get even one plaque? ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 21:17:10 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Prioritization question From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I brought this up a few months ago and got some good advice. I used to be one that would travel back in time...once I got under 50 in 1968 I posted the 1967 set. Then I really liked the 1960 set, so I broke off and got that one. From there, it was sets I liked (1958). After all the advice (and I know I will eventually go for all the Topps and Bowmans), I have begun posting everything I'm shooting for. Some sets only have 5% done. But I like getting one of those cards just as much as getting the others. I love shooting for the goals. I think by the time my year ends, I'll have made just about all of the goals. I've hit 8 of the top 13 cards I wanted. Like was quoted to me and said in the classic "Field of Baseball Cards" - If you post it, they will come! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/6/2015 10:33:55 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey Mark I think you have a good looking wantlist. When I joined OBC, I figured everyone's wantlist included everything from Topps. So if a certain set was not there, I thought they already had it finished. It surprised me when people added a new set. I thought it was already done. When I joined I listed everything I had. If I did not have it, I wanted it. Because it was a baseball card. When people say low prioirty I figured it was no bid deal so almost why bother as someone would like it more. If you want a second set of something doable and fun, then want it. I suggest you think about the mailbox. When you get a 69 Topps in the mail, How cool is that? would you have rather got something else? If a second set is real fun, then want it. 7 1969 Topps or one card from a set of a guy you never heard of getting you a little closer to finishing an almost impossible thing? I will never complete hardly any sets. Quantity is real fun for me. That is why many of us have a UV thing here and there. Baseball cards are so cool and if I was determined to finish a set with a 67 high number something cool would happen only seldom. I collect 10 players, then Giants then sets. So my 3rd copy of the exact same Juan Marichal card is so great. I finished a Marichal thing, a Giants thing and a Topps thing. So, I hope I made since. Think about the mailbox. And A ton of 71 Topps for a great price gave you a bunch of baseball cards and got you something fun and towards something that would be fun or it did not. If finishing a second 69 set would be a real kick then maybe it is not a low priority. I ramble so seldom. Hope this helps. In a message dated 1/4/2015 2:18:45 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I sent a ramblings out during the holidays that got only a few responses. It was probably a bad time to start a thread like this when everyone was distracted with holiday activities. Now that we are getting back to normal I am going to try again because I need some help on this one. What is the best way to prioritize want list? Anybody that has looked at my list knows it is like shooting fish in a barrel. I have set needs from 50s-70s. And I have a bad habit of starting second sets when the first one gets done without establishing any kind of priority. & nbsp;My 60, 65, 68-71T sets are all 2nd sets. My favorite sets are the 57T (need 213) & 67T (need 30) sets and the ones that I have been working on the longest are the 66 (need 21) & 67T (need 30). Naturally those two are lacking the elusive high numbers. I would love to finish the 61T (need 202), 63T (need 237) and 64T (need 48) sets too. And lets not mention the 62 Post (needs only 26). And I am my own worst enemy. At my last show I picked up a starter lot of 71T because it was cheap. And then I posted it. I needed that like a hole in the head. Should have spent that money on 67 high number. So my question to the group is how do I prioritize? I want to set goals that are clear to site visitors and easy to follow myself. Should I list the 67 high numbers or pick out a few key cards? Should I never look at a 57 lot until I finish the 67 set? Surely not, I can't quit looking. I thought about removing the second sets for a while. The 69 set has seen a lot of action recently but the rest are pretty dormant anyway. How would you guys proceed with such a list? Thanks for your feedback. Mark Holland [Unable to display image] Want List: http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 06 Jan 2015 22:55:47 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 23:13:35 -0500 Subject: 2014 In Review... From: Kent 2014 was a good year as far as finishing some sets that I had been working on for many years: The 1964 Topps Stand Ups was finally put to rest this year on the very lastday of the year with the purchase of the Mantle card. During the course of the 2014 year I was also able to finish the following: 1934 Goudey Baseball (R320) - Red Sox - 19(Grove) (eBay 1/4/14) 1974 Laughlin Old-Time Black Stars - 18(Torrienti)(eBay 2/17/14) 1962 Bell Brand Dodgers - 32(Koufax) - (eBay 3/28/14) 1961 Fleer World Champion Pennant Decals - Upgrade - 1939 (eBay 3/29/14) 1959 Topps Baseball Base Set (Upgrades - 510(Yankees Team Card) (4/3/14) 1975 Laughlin Batty Baseball (eBay 8/5/14) 1960 Leaf Baseball - 129(Cepeda) (eBay 9/11/14) 1962 Topps - 598(Rookie Parade Outfielders) (eBay 10/23/14) The 2014 National in Cleveland was a fun event. The highlight being the Dr.Taylor museum and of course the BBQ Also, the following thank yous have not been forgotten: Bill Ashton - 52T #18 Merrill Combs gray back variation Mike Mackie - 60T - #246 Lee Maye, 61Ts - #56 Russ Kemmerer,179 Joe Koppe, 227 Janl Pizarro, and 261 Frank Sullivan, and 67T 248 Gene Mauch. Thanks again guys, ================= Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2015 23:44:01 -0600 To: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: HOF voting today! From: TJ Valacak I'm not in favor of the roids guys getting in. I can speak first hand aboutsteroids, as I am currently on them and was on them for a month at the endof 2013. There is no doubt that steroids mask the aches and pain. That fact, in itself, allows you to perform at an elevated physical level. Maybe I'm still upset Bonds hit more career home runs than Aaron. Maybe it's because everything is a question mark now. But for me, I don't want to see those guys in the Hall. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2015, at 9:55 PM, "'wwesmyster2@aol.com' wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I don't know about the juicers like Bonds, etc. I personally think the roiders should have to wait many many years for their performances to be considered for Cooperstown. > As far as Charlie Hustle is concerned, well, he is a god in the Dayton-Cincinnati areas obviously. Call it bozo, wacko, or whatever, but I personally think Rose is beyond the hall. Cooperstown is nothing without Pete, and baseball knows it. Pete is better than Cooperstown, and Cooperstown doesn't deserve Pete Rose. > Wes > Sent from my LG phone > "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > >I've been watching all the debate on the MLB channel for a month now. All > >the talk pro and con for the steroid era players. It's time Pete Rose got > >in. No one played the game with greater passion and the "right" way. Whatever > >happened after his playing days, no effect of the fact that he has the > >most hits in history. And he wasn't aided by the "clear"... > > > >Sal Domino > >OBC - 1992 > > > > > >In a message dated 1/6/2015 3:09:45 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: > > > > > > > > > >I hope piazza makes it next year > > > > > >MZ > > > >Sent from mark z ipod > > > > > > > > > >On Jan 6, 2015, at 1:43 PM, "Joel Freedman _jefreedman1@gmail.com_ > >(mailto:jefreedman1@gmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" > ><_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > >pedro, randy johnson, biggio and smoltz.......... > > > > > >piazza was close! > > > > > >bonds and clemens only received 36% of the votes. > > > > > > > > > >On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 12:29 PM, MarkZ _mzentko@yahoo.com_ > >(mailto:mzentko@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ > >(mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Agreed, bonds after 5 yrs on ballot, others no > > > > > >Mark Zentkovich > > > >Sent from mark z ipod > > > > > > > > > >On Jan 6, 2015, at 11:27 AM, "_biggies@aol.com_ (mailto:biggies@aol.com) > >[OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ > >(mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > >Bonds maybe > > > > > >In a message dated 1/6/2015 12:27:06 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > >_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > > writes: > > > > > >Bonds, Sosa & McGwire have just a few shy of 2000 HR between them. But > >will they get even one plaque? > >Ever?!?! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ================= To: Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:25:52 -0800 Subject: Hall of Fame.......... From: "Grant Rainsley" I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting "good players" instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I'm not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world of OBC................I'd just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. ================= To: Grant Rainsley , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 15:40:23 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: Mac Wubben Well, the old grouch quotient of OBC rises with each year ;-) (I'm in thatcategory What do you want the HOF to stand for? It's still a hall of the top 1-2%. I'm ok with it. The selections I didn't like were players who were never really great...Sutton comes to mind. Lots of people complain about my guy...Kirby Puckett...who was certainly awesome to watch. I think this year's class was just fine...3 incredible pitchers and one of the best hitting 2b's A hall within the hall would be interesting. Something that names the top 2 at each position...but voted on each year...just to see how opinions change over time. Kirby wouldn't make that list, but the HOF would be less interesting without him. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:25:52 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting =93good players=94 instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=92m not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world of OBC................I=92d just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. Grant ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:48:55 -0600 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: Bob Donaldson Are you referring to Biggio and Scholtz? Surely to Johnson and Martinez I hope? I think there's a lot more undeserving guys from teh 30's when batting averages (not the best player indicator) were inflated. Lloyd Waner, George Kelley come to mind. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:25 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have been following the comments with considerable > interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself > excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has > become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting =E2=9Cgood players=E2=9D > instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the > OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=E2=99m > not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful > world of OBC................I=E2=99d just like to know if I am alone in > thoughts. > Grant ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 14:57:06 -0600 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: MarkZ I love to hear and read all the various debate every year on this subject, no matter if I agree with the opinions or not.. Mark Z Sent from mark z ipod On Jan 7, 2015, at 2:40 PM, "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Well, the old grouch quotient of OBC rises with each year ;-) (I'm in that category too). > What do you want the HOF to stand for? It's still a hall of the top 1-2%. I'm ok with it. The selections I didn't like were players who were never really great...Sutton comes to mind. Lots of people complain about my guy...Kirby Puckett...who was certainly awesome to watch. I think this year's class was just fine...3 incredible pitchers and one of the best hitting 2b's > A hall within the hall would be interesting. Something that names the top 2 at each position...but voted on each year...just to see how opinions change over time. Kirby wouldn't make that list, but the HOF would be less interesting without him. > Mac > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:25:52 -0800 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... > I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke overthe last few years? Letting =E2=9Cgood players=E2=9D instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=E2=99m not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world of OBC................I=E2=99d just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. > Grant ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 13:01:22 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: "Grant Rainsley" Actually, what got me started on this topic was Erstad actually getting a vote........but admittedly that might be just one fruitcake voter with a personal agenda.....(maybe Erstad had a vote?J)......in my mind, Biggio and Scholtz were borderline............Johnson was a no-brainer to me, one of themost dominating of all time once he got on the rails, it took him some 3 years to get going, but after that he didn=E2=99t let up........I know, the debate could go on forever, PED=E2=99s, different eras, etc. From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] Sent: January-07-15 12:49 PM To: Grant Rainsley Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... Are you referring to Biggio and Scholtz? Surely to Johnson and Martinez I hope? I think there's a lot more undeserving guys from teh 30's when batting averages (not the best player indicator) were inflated. Lloyd Waner, George Kelley come to mind. On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:25 PM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting =E2=9Cgood players=E2=9D instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=E2=99m not tryingto stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world of OBC................I=E2=99d just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. ================= Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:18:29 -0500 To: MarkZ Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: Jimi Hey all, If my numbers are correct, 18,408 players have played in the MLB since it began, and only 215 players have been enshrined. That's a percentage of just over 1%. We can make arguments until we are blue in the face about adding a couple more that you think should be in, or subtracting some you'd liketo see removed. However, it's not even a debate that the MLB HOF is far more prestigious than basketball and football....and it's not even close. Although Biggio may not scream HOF at first glance, spending 20 seconds looking at his stats might change your mind. He still is the ONLY person in MLB history to have 3,000 hits, 600 doubles, 400 stolen bases, and 250 home runs. There are some other crazy stats on him, but that one stands out to me. Don't forget that EVERY player that has had 3,000 hits, has made the HOF except for Palmeiro and Rose (PEDs and Gambling, respectively). Of course Jeter will get in the Hall in 5 years, as the only other 3,000 hit club member. As far as the other 3 players from this year's induction? They were no brainers in my book! Next year, the Hall will induct Ken Griffey Jr.....and my guess is Mike Piazza will finally make it. Rumored steroid use isn't fair. Innocent until proven guilty. Piazza is the best hitting catcher of all time (sorry to all Bench fans!) :) My guess is these will be the only two players to get in. Cases can be made about others, but if we are only electing 2 or 3 players each year (and, yes, a freak 4-player year this year), then I'm fine with GO TRIBE! Sent from my iPad > On Jan 7, 2015, at 3:57 PM, MarkZ mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > I love to hear and read all the various debate every year on this subject, no matter if I agree with the opinions or not.. > Mark Z > Sent from mark z ipod >> On Jan 7, 2015, at 2:40 PM, "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> Well, the old grouch quotient of OBC rises with each year ;-) (I'm in that category too). >> What do you want the HOF to stand for? It's still a hall of the top 1-2%. I'm ok with it. The selections I didn't like were players who were never really great...Sutton comes to mind. Lots of people complain about my guy...Kirby Puckett...who was certainly awesome to watch. I think this year's class was just fine...3 incredible pitchers and one of the best hitting 2b's >> A hall within the hall would be interesting. Something that names the top 2 at each position...but voted on each year...just to see how opinions change over time. Kirby wouldn't make that list, but the HOF would be less interesting without him. >> Mac >> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com >> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 12:25:52 -0800 >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... >> I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting =E2=9Cgood players=E2=9D instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=E2=99m not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world ofOBC................I=E2=99d just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. >> Grant ================= Date: Wed, 07 Jan 2015 16:31:35 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:31:12 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: Shawn Smart I definitely think the HOF debate has been getting interesting this year and have enjoyed having it with friends, co-workers, and of course OBC. I started collecting baseball cards in 1985 and faded out the first time around 1993. I consider this the era I "grew up" watching baseball. Theseplayers eligible now are from the tail end of that era, so I enjoy these elections. I have my HOF debate similar to my baseball card collecting habits as a kid. When we were kids, stars went in the binders and commons went in the shoeboxes. George Brett, Mike Schmidt, Robin Yount, Wade Boggs, etc - always binders. So where do I feel these players would go? Pedro and Randy Johnson - definitely binders. Both were dominant for stretches of their career - and dominant is an important word to me when it comes to the HOF. Biggio is interesting - he definitely wasnt the flashy name of the era and I dont know if I would consider him dominiant. I think he got a lot of love from all the new found statistics types - and its no secret that Bill James loves him. Biggio grew up one town over from me (Kings Park, NY - where I lived for 6 years at one time), and I expected more hoopla over his election but its been kinda quiet. Smoltz to me was a borderline binder guy too - I think he was helped by the dominant teams that he played on ratherthan his own dominance. I also think that Glavine and Maddux helped pavethe way for his election. But there are always exceptions to my "binders" rule. Blyleven and Suttonwere guys I would say were usually in the shoebox but the are in like flynn. Also some stars didnt have long enough careers, but were always in binders - being biased I can say that New York guys like Mattingly, Strawberry,Gooden, Hernandez were always in binders - but dont deserve HOF election. The PED stuff also throws a wrench in everything obviously. I dont have all that much love for McGwire and Sosa but Bonds...to me Bonds was dominant. I know the PED thing is tough to get past, but this was a guy who pitchers wouldnt even pitch anywhere near for a period of time. To me its hard to have a HOF without Bonds and Rose. I'm sure they will suffer for a while and may never get in, but both these guys dominated the sport. To me PED allegations are also hurting hitters not necessarily involved with them as well. Carlos Delgado - now I dont think he should be in but 473HRS and only 3.8% of the vote? He wont even be on the ballot next year. Kind of harsh if you ask me. I think lots of voters are assuming PED's only helped hitters and forget that any of the pitchers from this era could have taken them as well (mmhm Clemens). Thats my two cents - more like five cents if you read this far. To: grains@shaw.ca; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 16:31:35 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... You may wanna read my previous reply on the other thread. You're not stirring much. It's getting silly. Sent from my LG phone "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" >I have been following the comments with considerable >interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself >excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has >become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting "good players" >instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC >Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I'm not >trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world >of OBC................I'd just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 17:55:00 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 From: Shawn Smart I've enjoyed reading these threads and now that I have a little time I wanted to just thank everyone for a great second year in OBC. I made a ton of progress this year thanks to this group. I think all of my 70's sets are at least 80 percent completed, and I have a feeling a few will move to the completed shelf this year. I dont spend much money on cards at all, with the exception of some Ebay lots I find for a few bucks. But every package and waiver wire helps slowly chip away at each set. When I look at my want list - although still quite big, its come a long way since I joined the group. I received 149 packages this year which is quite amazing! I dont have any specific goals for the year except to keep chipping away ateach set, and to help others out as much as possible. I'd say my 3 year plan is the 70's run. Maybe the 60's in 10 years :). Maybe a 50's run if I win lotto. As far as set prioritization - I was told to list everything when I joined OBC. And I did. And for those debating, I say just do it, because if itsthere, it will get hit by this group. If you only list a new set after completing one, you may miss out on dupes someone is trying to unload because of timing. And since we are having HOF debates, I wanted to honor my OBC HOF's - theseguys are in my mailbox quite a bit - Cook, Denning, Bessette, Elwell, Goetsch, Holland, Hutchinson, Huntoon, Mead, L. Miller, Niessen, Shepard, Tipton, Welk, Zentkovich. Thanks guys. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Jan 2015 04:36:30 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 collecting goals Finally, I am getting over the flu and can type this out. I achieved all of my 2014 goals. Some of them were clearly aiming too low.The one lofty goal isn't really measurable, but I think I achieved it so I did, because I said so. What do I hope to accomplish in 2015......well looking at my want lists Ive set the following as my goals for 2015. 1. Stay on budget. (i put it here last year and it worked so fingers crossed.) (JD you can start laughing again) 2. Send out more RAOK's 3. Attend the National Chicago 2015! 4. Hit 1933 Goudey 23 times. This will give me 80 % of the set. 5. Finish 1965 Topps Embossed (7 to go) 6. Finish 1976-77 Topps basketball (38 to go) 7. Complete 1975 topps Football (311 to go) 8. Complete 1976 Topps Football (c. 326 to go) 9. Complete 1970 Topps Hockey (19 to go)10. Find a spot to put these into my wantlist and keep this up to date as well. Lets see How 2015 Goes. No Matter what-I am sure it will be a great time because of OBC. Thank you to all of OBC. Especially to those of you who actually read everything I just wrote out. Nick Pelletierthenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 18:18:42 -0500 Subject: waivers From: Shawn Smart My friend and I use some of our very beater cards in fantasy leagues -only one of each player can be in the league, so here are some availables and some regular waivers at bottom. Priority goes to those I owe - thanks. MIKE MCCORMICK - 61T #305 (borders all trimmed off), 66 Topps #176 (bordersall trimmed off) or 67 Topps #86 (corners gone) JOHN BUZHARDT - 61T #3 (borders all trimmed off) or 67 Topps #178 (taped together) JACK AKER - 67 T# 110 (one covered in writing, one with borders trimmed off). CHUCK HINTON - 64T #52 (team part of card cut off) or 67T #189(taped back together) 66 Topps #84 - BRAVES ROOKIES (top left corner cut off) 1976 Hostess #21 Dave Rader 1966 Philadephia FB #103 James Stiger 1978 Topps FB - about 23 avail - e-mail me if you have a list. 1971 TOPPS - ABOUT 250 DUBS - MOSTLY EARLY SERIES. 1979 Topps - 107, 196, 359, 410, 461, 511, 516, 538, 671, 683, 684, 686, 691, 701, 704 1981 Topps - 9, 11, 15, 22, 27, 28, 31, 38, 42, 45, 49, 51, 54, 58, 60, 62,63, 70, 76, 82, 84, 93, 109, 138, 151, 154, 158, 160, 162, 163, 165, 166, 168, 170, 171, 226, 241, 290, 414, 472, 519, 537, 654, 709. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2015 19:07:57 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: Taylor Schock Trying to look at this from a logical, non-emotional point of view, while stirring the pot with today's top 10 non-statistical questions about the qualifications for HOF candidates. 1 ) If known or admitted cheaters are already in the HOF, should they be removed? 2 ) If not, then what is your reason for keeping Bonds out? 3 ) If the use of PEDs keeps you out, and/or if 1 above, then should those who used greenies be removed? (bye-bye '60s heroes) 4 ) If not, then see question 2. 5 ) If breaking the law should keep you out (such as using PEDs, the takingof greenies without a scrip, OR the purchase of alcohol during prohibition, etc), then should an existing HOFer be removed if he broke the law while playing? 6 ) If not, then see question 2. If you answered NO to #1, NO to #3, and NO to #5, then see question 2. 7 ) If breaking MLB's rules and guidelines for conduct should keep you out,then how can you justify letting Pete Rose in? 8 ) If you let Pete Rose in, then how can you justify keeping out Joe Jackson? (being banned from baseball before the was a rule that you would be banned from baseball) 9 ) Should Bud Selig and certain management/managers be allowed to be elected, since the knew about PED use and ignored it? (and some might say, tacitly encouraged it through lack of addressing the issue until it became a focus issue from OUTSIDE of baseball) 10 ) If Bud gets elected, why should Bonds OR Rose NOT be in? And a bit on the lighter side but still posers... :) 11 ) If Bonds hit a home-run off of Clemens in the 8th inning, shouldn't that be considered a "level playing field" (assuming the catcher wasn't on PEDs and didn't call the wrong pitch)? 12 ) Should anyone who hit a home-run off of Clemens or got Bonds out be given extra credit in their stats? ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:58:06 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: OBC 1936 Chicle Fin Pen Checklist From: Patrick Prickett Hi,I was updating my the 1936 Chicle Fine Pen checklist and noticed that the OBC list is missing card numbers: 47, 48, 64, 65, 72, 85, etc.Is there a way to update it?Thanks.Patrick ================= Date: 07 Jan 2015 20:34:26 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Day seven. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 00:48:01 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Content-Language: en I still wonder about biggio. I would of thought that bagwell was a better candiate than Biggio and to show my bias how can a person who was the winning pitcher of the 1990's (that winning more game in a decade than any one else not be considered is beyond me like Grant I cant understand how someone so dominate be taken over someone who was dominate for three or four In a message dated 1/7/2015 2:26:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting =E2=9Cgood players=E2=9D instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=E2=99m not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world of OBC................I=E2=99d just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 00:54:57 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LOL Now this one I LOVE! Might as well stroke the fire here. Mac and myself have already debated #7 in the car during the National lol. 1- I was never a fan of the "take-away" ie a guy wins the heisman, something happens later and they take it away. But we all know he won it already. It should be noted and maybe moved to a separate area. 2- Bonds is my biggest paradox. If his career ended in 1998, he would make the hall. He became a caricature of himself. If he wasn't such a jerk about it, he should be in easy. I think as time goes by, people will wax nostalgic. Right now, I just cant put him or Clemens in. 3- Great question. Again, they are already in. I don't put greenies are the same category as steroids. If you went after these guys now, it would be a witch hunt and look like you are looking for excuses to justify guys like Bonds and Clemens. Roids allowed you to heal faster, maintaining strength. Greenies faked you out into being more "aware" but it didn't fix what ails 4- See above. 5- Ferguson Jenkins- arrested for possession WHILE playing, still got in. His amazing career outlasted his mistake. I'm sure there are a few DUI's among HOFers. This wasn't a Steve Howe case. Back in the 80s, when the cocaine scandal hit, these guys weren't kept out of the hall because of that. There was barely any talk about it. It was about their work on the field. Again, if you are in and caught after the fact, removing the plaque doesn't away the fact that they were voted in. Make note of it. 6- These guys weren't cheating the game, they were cheating themselves. 7- I can always justify Pete Rose getting in. Most hits by a WIDE margin. Played the game the right way. My quote is this: Play hard, play fair, and play to win! Pete did this. There is no evidence of him doing anything DURING his playing career. I could care less what he did after. He wouldn't in as a manager anyways. If his life ended the day he retired, is Pete a Hall of Famer? 8- The more I read about Joe Jackson, the more I am leaning to lifting his ban. I saw Pete play, I didn't see Joe (Kent may have however) 9- I don't think Bud is the greatest commissioner in baseball history. He was here when the sport prospered. I wouldn't pickle managers in the debate. They are employees like the players. If you had a lucrative job, would you be a whistle blower, knowing everyone is aware of the situation? (Think about the money involved, family considerations, etc). I wouldn't vote for Bud PED or not. 10- See above. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/7/2015 7:08:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Trying to look at this from a logical, non-emotional point of view, while stirring the pot with today's top 10 non-statistical questions about the qualifications for HOF candidates. 1 ) If known or admitted cheaters are already in the HOF, should they be 2 ) If not, then what is your reason for keeping Bonds out? 3 ) If the use of PEDs keeps you out, and/or if 1 above, then should those who used greenies be removed? (bye-bye '60s heroes) 4 ) If not, then see question 2. 5 ) If breaking the law should keep you out (such as using PEDs, the taking of greenies without a scrip, OR the purchase of alcohol during prohibition, etc), then should an existing HOFer be removed if he broke the law while 6 ) If not, then see question 2. If you answered NO to #1, NO to #3, and NO to #5, then see question 2. 7 ) If breaking MLB's rules and guidelines for conduct should keep you out, then how can you justify letting Pete Rose in? 8 ) If you let Pete Rose in, then how can you justify keeping out Joe Jackson? (being banned from baseball before the was a rule that you would be banned from baseball) 9 ) Should Bud Selig and certain management/managers be allowed to be elected, since the knew about PED use and ignored it? (and some might say, tacitly encouraged it through lack of addressing the issue until it becamea focus issue from OUTSIDE of baseball) 10 ) If Bud gets elected, why should Bonds OR Rose NOT be in? And a bit on the lighter side but still posers... :) 11 ) If Bonds hit a home-run off of Clemens in the 8th inning, shouldn't that be considered a "level playing field" (assuming the catcher wasn't on PEDs and didn't call the wrong pitch)? 12 ) Should anyone who hit a home-run off of Clemens or got Bonds out be given extra credit in their stats? ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 01:58:15 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Content-Language: en i agree that Pete and shoeless joe should and remember it a lifetime ban not an eternity ban when they die vote him in or out. it might be one way of not see the Pete Rose commercial any more and it would probably kill him not knowing if the writer would vote strictly on his playing career or like mcgwire have something else be voted on In a message dated 1/7/2015 11:54:59 P.M. Central Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: LOL Now this one I LOVE! Might as well stroke the fire here. Mac and myself have already debated #7 in the car during the National lol. 1- I was never a fan of the "take-away" ie a guy wins the heisman, something happens later and they take it away. But we all know he won it already. It should be noted and maybe moved to a separate area. 2- Bonds is my biggest paradox. If his career ended in 1998, he would make the hall. He became a caricature of himself. If he wasn't such a jerk about it, he should be in easy. I think as time goes by, people will wax nostalgic. Right now, I just cant put him or Clemens in. 3- Great question. Again, they are already in. I don't put greenies are the same category as steroids. If you went after these guys now, it would be a witch hunt and look like you are looking for excuses to justify guys like Bonds and Clemens. Roids allowed you to heal faster, maintaining strength. Greenies faked you out into being more "aware" but it didn't fix what ails 4- See above. 5- Ferguson Jenkins- arrested for possession WHILE playing, still got in. His amazing career outlasted his mistake. I'm sure there are a few DUI's among HOFers. This wasn't a Steve Howe case. Back in the 80s, when the cocaine scandal hit, these guys weren't kept out of the hall because of that. There was barely any talk about it. It was about their work on the field. Again, if you are in and caught after the fact, removing the plaque doesn't away the fact that they were voted in. Make note of it. 6- These guys weren't cheating the game, they were cheating themselves. 7- I can always justify Pete Rose getting in. Most hits by a WIDE margin. Played the game the right way. My quote is this: Play hard, play fair, and play to win! Pete did this. There is no evidence of him doing anything DURING his playing career. I could care less what he did after. He wouldn't in as a manager anyways. If his life ended the day he retired, is Pete a Hall of Famer? 8- The more I read about Joe Jackson, the more I am leaning to lifting his ban. I saw Pete play, I didn't see Joe (Kent may have however) 9- I don't think Bud is the greatest commissioner in baseball history. He was here when the sport prospered. I wouldn't pickle managers in the debate. They are employees like the players. If you had a lucrative job, would you be a whistle blower, knowing everyone is aware of the situation? (Think about the money involved, family considerations, etc). I wouldn't vote for Bud PED or not. 10- See above. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/7/2015 7:08:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Trying to look at this from a logical, non-emotional point of view, while stirring the pot with today's top 10 non-statistical questions about the qualifications for HOF candidates. 1 ) If known or admitted cheaters are already in the HOF, should they be 2 ) If not, then what is your reason for keeping Bonds out? 3 ) If the use of PEDs keeps you out, and/or if 1 above, then should those who used greenies be removed? (bye-bye '60s heroes) 4 ) If not, then see question 2. 5 ) If breaking the law should keep you out (such as using PEDs, the taking of greenies without a scrip, OR the purchase of alcohol during prohibition, etc), then should an existing HOFer be removed if he broke the law while 6 ) If not, then see question 2. If you answered NO to #1, NO to #3, and NO to #5, then see question 2. 7 ) If breaking MLB's rules and guidelines for conduct should keep you out, then how can you justify letting Pete Rose in? 8 ) If you let Pete Rose in, then how can you justify keeping out Joe Jackson? (being banned from baseball before the was a rule that you would be banned from baseball) 9 ) Should Bud Selig and certain management/managers be allowed to be elected, since the knew about PED use and ignored it? (and some might say, tacitly encouraged it through lack of addressing the issue until it becamea focus issue from OUTSIDE of baseball) 10 ) If Bud gets elected, why should Bonds OR Rose NOT be in? And a bit on the lighter side but still posers... :) 11 ) If Bonds hit a home-run off of Clemens in the 8th inning, shouldn't that be considered a "level playing field" (assuming the catcher wasn't on PEDs and didn't call the wrong pitch)? 12 ) Should anyone who hit a home-run off of Clemens or got Bonds out be given extra credit in their stats? ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 08:26:43 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Content-Language: en This has been to read everyone's comments. I have been to the Baseball Hall of Fame 7 times. Something about seeing Christy Mathewson's Checker set I suppose. Actually, I have been to over 80 Hall of Fames. It seems any group with a thought, cause or organization has a Hall of Fame. Apparently the 1946 Winnebego is pretty famous at the RV Hall of Fame. I always think, for this group of folks, who stands out in the History of their cause. I like the idea that over time someone gets in upon years of reflection. While growing up, I heard of Bill Mazeroski's Home Run constantly. Pretty Famous, ok have him be in if he had something else going on also such as consistency and in Bill's case, I guess he was great defensively. Sometimes famous does not work too well for players from places like Houston, so the writers dig a little deeper. Bonds, Rose, Clemens... not now, but eventually. For two reasons. Let the future fans see how much they stood out during their time... they were famous, and made a very big impact. And do it before these players are too old because it is kind. As I walk through the HOF and see Ruth Cobb Walter Johnson and Christy Mathewson and Willie Mays, it all makes sense. When I see others I think really? Do these players belong among them? So I agree with Grant, sometimes seems silly, all these managers and players many of us have never heard of or think was no big deal. But, what the heck. I think OBC Members could do a better job then who is doing it. But then I would vote in Darrell Evans and a whole new argument would start up. I think it would be fun if everyone in OBC picked three players for the OBC Baseball Hall of Fame. I'll keep a list and then we vote. My conclusion? I do not know, I just wanted to ramble at 5 in the morning. Randy Welk In a message dated 1/7/2015 9:48:05 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I still wonder about biggio. I would of thought that bagwell was a better candiate than Biggio and to show my bias how can a person who was the winning pitcher of the 1990's (that winning more game in a decade than any one else not be considered is beyond me like Grant I cant understand how someone so dominate be taken over someone who was dominate for three or four In a message dated 1/7/2015 2:26:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I have been following the comments with considerable interest...............at the great personal risk of getting myself excommunicated, is there anyone out there besides me who finds the HOF has become a complete joke over the last few years? Letting =E2=9Cgood players=E2=9D instead of those who truly made their mark on the game? In my eyes, the OBC Hall of Mediocrity has considerably more credibility than the HOF. I=E2=99m not trying to stir up trouble and controversy, I like our little peaceful world of OBC................I=E2=99d just like to know if I am alone in these thoughts. ================= Date: 08 Jan 2015 06:17:14 -0800 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 11:58:05 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... From: Taylor Schock Great comments already! Not picking on Sal's response, but using it as a jumping on point. I think the basic ideas around the PED era are based on morality and legality. The intent wasn't to provide justification FOR Bonds, but rather to understand the objections AGAINST Bonds, in context to others who have been admitted or should be considered for the HOF. "1- I was never a fan of the "take-away" ie a guy wins the heisman, something happens later and they take it away. But we all know he won it already. It should be noted and maybe moved to a separate area." I would look at this as the difference between a prize (something given) and an honor (something earned). If you look at the HOF as a prize, then I totally agree with this. If it's something that was earned (based on performance), then why can't it be taken away IF that performance was tainted from cheating? Are you implying that someone who cheats on a test and is only caught AFTER the fact should be allowed to keep that A grade? I think most ofus consider the HOF as an honor more than a prize, though I agree that with some inductees, I could see it more as a prize. :) Should he lose his Heisman because he beat his wife/girlfriend. No, though the act would be abhorrent. Should he lose his Heisman because he somehow cheated to benefit his performance? Probably. At least it should DEFINITELY be a consideration (based onthe extent of cheating). "Greenies faked you out into being more "aware" but it didn't fix what ailsyou." - I disagree with this based in part on the fact that they were so readily and openly available. Consider why that was. If you are implying that greenies didn't have any (positive) recognizable impact, this must be onehuge placebo effect. Maybe something akin to mass hysteria? But more seriously... Casts, ice baths, and Tommy John surgery also fix what ails you. Soit's not a question of "fixing" something as opposed to the method used. The moral/legal aspect. "Ferguson Jenkins..." - Agreed, so if Bonds did something illegal, then that shouldn't stop his consideration. If the illegality is related to cheating as well, then base it on the aspect of cheating. The illegality should NOT be a consideration "in and of itself". I like the idea of "lifetime ineligibility" (where you could gain admittance after you die). The problem I have with the PED era eligibility is 20-20 hindsight. While they may have been illegal, they weren't (initially) against baseball's rules or enforcement of the rules. It was only later on that baseball started to take a stand on this in 2001 (only for the minors), well after they got their money's worth from the McGwire/Sosa race. It wasn't until June 2004 that MLB had any kind of penalty for this for positive testing, counseling for a first offense and 15 day suspension for a second. If MLB itself didn't see this as a problem or as cheating, then how can someone judge a player as being a cheat up to that point? ESPECIALLY considering that MLB (owners AND players union) got Fay Vincent to resign, based in part from his hard line on testing. So MLB avoided the issue for well over 13 years. And who was the commissioner from 1994 well through 2004? Sorry, but when it comes to the players during the PED era, I have a much bigger problem with ex post facto laws and judgements placed on them for something they may have done that wasn't expressly forbidden, or went unpunished if it was forbidden and known. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 00:54:57 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame.......... LOL Now this one I LOVE! Might as well stroke the fire here. Mac and myself have already debated #7 in the car during the National lol. 1- I was never a fan of the "take-away" ie a guy wins the heisman, something happens later and they take it away. But we all know he won it already. It should be noted and maybe moved to a separate area. 2- Bonds is my biggest paradox. If his career ended in 1998, he would make the hall. He became a caricature of himself. If he wasn't such a jerk about it, he should be in easy. I think as time goes by, people will wax nostalgic. Right now, I just cant put him or Clemens in. 3- Great question. Again, they are already in. I don't put greenies are the same category as steroids. If you went after these guys now, it would be a witch hunt and look like you are looking for excuses to justify guys like Bonds and Clemens. Roids allowed you to heal faster, maintaining strength. Greenies faked you out into being more "aware" but it didn't fix what ails you. 4- See above. 5- Ferguson Jenkins- arrested for possession WHILE playing, still got in. His amazing career outlasted his mistake. I'm sure there are a few DUI's among HOFers. This wasn't a Steve Howe case. Back in the 80s, when the cocaine scandal hit, these guys weren't kept out of the hall because of that. There was barely any talk about it. It was about their work on the field. Again, if you are in and caught after the fact, removing the plaque doesn't take away the fact that they were voted in. Make note of it. 6- These guys weren't cheating the game, they were cheating 7- I can always justify Pete Rose getting in. Most hits by a WIDE margin. Played the game the right way. My quote is this: Play hard, play fair, and play to win! Pete did this. There is no evidence of him doing anything DURING his playing career. I could care less what he did after. He wouldn't get in as a manager anyways. If his life ended the day he retired, is Pete a Hall of 8- The more I read about Joe Jackson, the more I am leaning to lifting his ban. I saw Pete play, I didn't see Joe (Kent may have however) 9- I don't think Bud is the greatest commissioner in baseball history. He was here when the sport prospered. I wouldn't pickle managers in the debate. They are employees like the players. If you had a lucrative job, would you be whistle blower, knowing everyone is aware of the situation? (Think about the money involved, family considerations, etc). I wouldn't vote for Bud PED or 10- See above. OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/7/2015 7:08:02 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Trying to look at this from a logical, non-emotional point of view, while stirring the pot with today's top 10 non-statistical questions about the qualifications for HOF candidates. 1 ) If known or admitted cheaters are already in the HOF, should they be removed? 2 ) If not, then what is your reason for keeping Bonds out? 3 ) If the use of PEDs keeps you out, and/or if 1 above, then should those who used greenies be removed? (bye-bye '60s heroes) 4 ) If not, then see question 2. 5 ) If breaking the law should keep you out (such as using PEDs, the taking of greenies without a scrip, OR the purchase of alcohol during prohibition, etc), then should an existing HOFer be removed if he broke the law while playing? 6 ) If not, then see question 2. If you answered NO to #1, NO to #3, and NO to #5, then see question 2. 7 ) If breaking MLB's rules and guidelines for conduct should keep you out, then how can you justify letting Pete Rose 8 ) If you let Pete Rose in, then how can you justify keeping out Joe Jackson? (being banned from baseball before the was a rule that you wouldbe banned from baseball) 9 ) Should Bud Selig and certain management/managers be allowed to be elected, since the knew about PED use and ignored it? (and some might say, tacitly encouraged it through lack of addressing the issue until it became a focus issue from OUTSIDE of baseball) 10 ) If Bud gets elected, why should Bonds OR Rose NOT be in? And a bit on the lighter side but still posers... :) 11 ) If Bonds hit a home-run off of Clemens in the 8th inning, shouldn't that be considered a "level playing field" (assuming the catcher wasn't on PEDs and didn't call the wrong pitch)? 12 ) Should anyone who hit a home-run off of Clemens or got Bonds out be given extra credit in their stats? ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 14:07:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] 2014 Results/2015 Goals From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en My 2014 results are shown below, in red. In addition to what is noted below, I reduced my 1963 Fleer list from 57 to 8; made great strides with my 1966 and 1967 sets, switching from have to want lists; reduced my 1968 Game card list from 27 to 6; completed the 1969 Deckles and the 1974 Topps Traded; started the 1975 set and now need only about 125; reduced my 1978 want list from 335 to 4; and started the 1979 set for which I now need only 10. It was a really great year for me. While OBC was a big help, I also spent a lot (too much) buying cards, so I need to cut back in that area. For 2015, in order of priority: 1. Continue to attack want lists for 1955 through 1963. 2. Go after 1966 and 1967. 3. Complete 1968 Game cards 4. Complete 1975, 1978 and 1979 5. Add to my 1955 Bowman, 1960 Leaf and 1960 & 1961 Fleer sets. 6. Pick up some more 1956-1959 Topps Football. 7. Avoid the temptation to start new sets. 8. Cut back my EBay buying For OBC, I'd like to again send out more than 100 packages. With my want list increasingly filled with stars, short prints and high numbers, and my desire to cut back on purchasing, I think I will likely "hit a wall" this year, and make only modest progress. So far, I've done no selling, and very little trading. BR, From: bskp1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 01/17/2014 12:20:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: [OBC-Ramblings] 2014 Goals I've made good progress on some of my sets in 2013, with help from OBC, COMC and, just recently, EBay. I also managed to send out 50+ RAOK's to fellow OBC'ers. For this year, my baseball objectives in order of priority: 1. Complete 1958 (16 cards) down to 2 and 1960 (22 cards) down to 3Topps. Unfortunately, some HOF'ers and nose bleeders are among the missing, so this will be tough. 2. Complete 1961 Golden Press (3 cards missing, including Gehrig). Done 3. Continue to reduce the want list on 1955-1959 and 1961-1963 Topps. 1955 175 down to 53; 1956 242 down to 112; 1957 188 down to 120; 1959 250 down to 11; 1961 330 down to 64; 1962 275 down to 166; 1963 400 down to 209 Also, I would like to again send out more than 50 packages to OBC members. Sent 109 I haven't resorted to trading yet, but that may be in the cards (no pun intended) too for 2014. ================= Date: 08 Jan 2015 14:42:46 -0800 To: Subject: Some Oddball offerings- waiver wire style From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2015 18:14:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: "Free To Good Home" From: Larry Tipton 1959 Topps #464 "MAYS' CATCH MAKES SERIES HISTORY" Left corner: Missing, chewed by dog quite a bit of card missing. Right Corner: back is complete but the paper is Skinned off the front quitea bit of the front is missing. NM condition value $35 This condition value $0 ================= Date: 08 Jan 2015 18:12:40 -0800 To: Subject: A waiver a day. Bonus day 8. From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: "vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com" , oct Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 02:50:54 +0000 Subject: Winter Waivers From: Jo Meyer and John Gray My friends, Here is another set of waiver wire offerings =96 I just got some low-grade cards that are itching to find new homes. Priority to thoseI know (do give me a gentle reminder) and I will take a couple of days to get requests, so if you get this via digest still send any requests and I will try to spread the love around. As I said these are lower grade cards, fair to very poor, so if that is a concern to you please feel free to look elsewhere. Please include your full name and mailing address to expedite the process. Be happy, John Scott Gray 1952 Topps (all trimmed to the size of 52 Bowman): 6, 12, 30, 54, 56, 61, 74, 87, 94, 95, 97, 102, 110, 126, 162, 200. 1952 Topps (trimmed to size of 50 Bowman): 241 1954 Topps: 21, 22, 25, 42, 77, 84, 185. 1955 Bowman: 6, 163, 174, 183, 185, 187, 189, 190, 214, 1956 Topps: 237. 1960 Topps: 141, 152, 161, 186, 214, 379, 461. 1961 Topps: 153, 208, 223 1962 Topps: 64, 87, 223, 301, 408, 506. 1963 Topps: 56, 94, 409. 1964 Topps: 52, 60, 98, 103, 110, 131, 132, 133, 141, 144, 145, 147, 149, 153, 159, 168, 170, 173, 179, 184, 189, 193, 194, 195, 198, 212, 214, 229, 232, 255, 270, 277, 279, 305, 309, 317, 322, 326, 333, 355, 364, 382, 420, 443, 445. 1965 Topps: 28, 31, 41, 63, 78, 102, 153, 162, 171, 343, 364, 366, 378, 413, 447, 516, 559. 1966 Topps: 2, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10, 20, 21, 26, 29, 31, 38, 45, 48, 53, 61, 64, 65, 66, 78, 83, 88, 89, 93, 95, 98, 108, 109, 111, 115, 122, 131, 138, 142, 145, 146, 150, 151, 162, 163, 165, 188, 250, 274, 277, 334, 417, 418, 1967: 6, 14, 15, 22, 27, 28, 31, 38, 56, 61, 62, 95, 101, 105, 108, 130, 136, 168, 176, 179, 187, 188, 190, 206, 208, 220, 226, 233, 256, 266, 273, 291, 299, 307, 319, 329, 335, 336, 358, 363, 364, 394, 396, 404, 420, 433, 441, 444, 449, 453. 1968 Topps: 44, 72, 74, 82, 89, 102, 103, 106, 121, 123, 170, 184, 209, 215, 217, 241, 267, 268, 274, 275, 283, 289, 293, 297, 298, 309, 322, 326, 331, 338, 342, 346, 358, 407, 416, 428, 430, 441, 507, 593. 1969 Topps: 14, 23, 26, 28, 30, 37, 38, 43, 53, 55, 58, 62, 73, 76, 81, 88, 92, 131, 142, 143, 158, 177, 209, 261, 280, 281, 317, 337, 340, 341, 342, 355, 361, 362, 374, 403, 411, 417, 418, 437, 486, 504, 544, 616, 1971 Topps: 3. 1972 Topps: 253, 510, 533. 1973 Topps: 300, 310, 431. 1974 Topps: 80, 330, 331 1975 Kellogg=92s: 9, 11=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 04:28:38 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: mark z year in review/goals From: mark zentkovich I have really enjoyed reading these from you all..I did not do this publicly last year, so here goes.. 2014 Year in Review: finished 74, 79, 80 Kelloggs several 70s cardinals second team sets 73 topps baseball set finish (I sure thought this would take 2 years, finished much sooner than I thought it would. finished 55-59 cardinals team sets- my biggest surprise this year- never thought I wouldget that far grays- big progress there..got from zero to only 135 to go best accomplishment of all: HAD LOTS OF FUN! sorting and updating lists are very enjoyable for me...had more time this year now that we have an empty nest. thanks to all who contributed to these accomplishments above..The generosity and kindness of thisgroup continues to amaze me, even though I am not newto goals for 2015: get grays down from 135 to within 25 high numbers get 61 set up to #400 (pretty near #300 right now) start a late 70s basketball set make unspecified progress to cardinals 1 card per player collection help other folks collections along the way thanks for reading....Mark Zentkovich ================= To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:39:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Winter Waivers re 1952 Topps cut down From: "George Vrechek" I thought the two Toomey brothers across the street from me in 1952 where the only goofs who cut down their 1952 Topps to match the Bowmans. They wanted me to do the same, but I declined. I have a few of their mini cards in my duplicate collection today along with some 1953 mini Topps. The Bob Kelly high number in my collection is a mini. I think the brothers gave up the scissors after 1953. I'm tempted to start a set of 1952 Topps minis but the memories would be too painful. Thanks for offering them though. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 07:46:59 -0800 Subject: Hall of Famer card observation From: "George Vrechek" Since we dwell in the pre-1981 past, some of us are at the point where the new Hall of Famers, who were rookies in junk sets from the late 1980s, aren't even in our collections. Hmmm. George Vrechek ================= Date: 09 Jan 2015 07:51:26 -0800 To: Subject: Tom's year in review From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2015 19:32:14 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Huggins and Scott From: Rob Bessette Anyone every consign with them? I'm curious to hear opinions. As some of you know, I'm trying to move my 1961 95% complete set. Thought they might be a better route than eBay. I think their consignprice is 15%. Thanks in advance! ================= Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 03:07:55 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Preaching to the choir? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I was looking through some of my old emails and came across this piece of Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com To: thenamenotused@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/8/2012 12:17:29 A.M. Eastern Standard Time Subj: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Preaching to the choir? You hve a ways to go in adding more sets. Like 62 Greenies, the adding set bug is contagious in OBC. Mike "Never Met a Vintage Sport Set not worth listing" Rich -----Original Message----- From: thenamenotused To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 12:03 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Preaching to the choir? OBC is awesome!!! Late last week I celebrated my one year anniversary in OBC. It has been an incredible year. Sure I got engaged and married to a wonderful woman who may not enjoy the cards as much as I do but she understands my excitement for them. During the twelve months I have attended my first National show (what an awesome two day trip that was), I've started more sets than I ever thoughtI would attempt, and completed thirteen sets-this year alone. WOW! Quite a bit of that was with the help of OBC members and their generosity. Today alone I got a pack of 39 cards in the mail from "Guru." That only happens in OBC. I look forward to opening the OBC Ramblings emails I get every day. Even though many of you have known how amazing OBC is for quite some time I have only been finding out how amazing for the last twelve months. I cant wait to see what the next 52 weeks may bring. Thank you to OBC! Nick Pelletier _Thenamenotused@yahoo.com_ (mailto:Thenamenotused@yahoo.com) ================= Date: 10 Jan 2015 11:24:00 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver wire- 1972 Topps baseball From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 10 Jan 2015 13:19:29 -0800 To: Subject: Random waiver wire: Playbills from Broadway theaters From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 12 Jan 2015 10:04:24 -0800 To: Subject: OBC Year project engaged for 2015 From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2015 21:39:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC condition 63 Post Adair.... From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I am currently high bidder. Thanks for the tip. It is 1 of 4 I need for the Post only set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 12, 2015 6:35 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC condition 63 Post Adair.... this should go relatively cheap--at least I think it should.... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-POST-61-JERRY-ADAIR-SHORT-PRINT-SP-FAIR-W-WRITING-GOOD-CUT-/391026293867?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem5b0afbbc6b ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 01:36:57 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: One is a type card... From: ChicoD1@aol.com 2 you are collecting, as per OBC rules. I was digging through some cards and found 4 63 Fleers. So as not to piss off the ghosts of OBC past, I've posted that list. Early 50s to follow... https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/50s-60s It's been quite a year so far, I'm pretty close on hitting some goals. 14 away on the 59s, 31 on the 62s, 9 63s, and 40 64s, 9 67s. Anyone who would like to have their name on my goals list, I'd appreciate putting it there! https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:53:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Meet-Up "Raleigh Card Show" Saturday Jan.31 From: Larry Tipton (Fri. Jan 30 through Sun. Feb 1) more info at insidepitchpromotions.com The show closes at 5PM on Saturday night, lets meet up for dinner somewhere! "crash-pad" available Springhill Suites Cary NC Bob Neill Taylor Schock Catfish Parker Mark Holland Larry Tipton Doug DeJong Mac Wubben In case of winter weather I cancel. I'm from Florida and don't drive in thesnow:) text me (904) 318-9372 ================= To: Larry Tipton , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 10:53:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Meet-Up "Raleigh Card Show" Saturday Jan.31 From: Taylor Schock Confirmed also that Larrie Dean and Jack Zerby will be setting up. Also talked with Allen Sturgis at the show this past weekend. He has quite a few 10% BV cards (mostly '50s and up) and will be bringing his OBC tub again to this show. In the past I've gotten a few '50s cards from him for as low as 10 cents apiece. While some of his 10% stuff might be Tipton Mint (making 10% full retail), I flipped through the stuff he had this past weekend and there is definitely GD to EX stuff (and maybe better) in his 10% category as well, making some of his stuff a really good deal. Just depends on what he has and what you are working on. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Jan 2015 08:53:54 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Meet-Up "Raleigh Card Show" Saturday Jan.31 (Fri. Jan 30 through Sun. Feb 1) more info at insidepitchpromotions.com The show closes at 5PM on Saturday night, lets meet up for dinner somewhere! "crash-pad" available Springhill Suites Cary NC Bob Neill Taylor Schock Catfish Parker Mark Holland Larry Tipton Doug DeJong Mac Wubben In case of winter weather I cancel. I'm from Florida and don't drive in thesnow:) text me (904) 318-9372 ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 03:04:32 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: TV funny! From: familytoad@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 10:48:02 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1953 Topps Tarzan "3D" From: Larry Tipton Is anyone collecting this set because I have a couple extra pairs of the "3D" ================= Date: 14 Jan 2015 09:40:05 -0800 To: Subject: Waiver offerings From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 14 Jan 2015 23:39:47 -0500 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 2015 Goals From: cardclctor@aol.com Hi all, This is the first time I've ever typed up one of these. The reason I've never done one before is that for the most part, I've never gone to a show thinking "I'm going to finish xxxx set or get xxxx card." because basically I've let the cards find me - not the other way around. A lot of times, I've found a card I needed to finish a set at a reasonable price after a long search - then found the same card three more times the next week at or below the price I paid. My collecting interests are also liquid - I never know what kind of deal will be waiting at the next table on a set I haven't started... or one that is a huge jump start on a second set I haven't started yet. My list has gone from the mainline Topps, Bowman, Fleer, Red Man, Kelloggs, Post, and Leaf sets to variations on those and the only slightly off the beaten path sets like Jello and Hostess and smaller somewhat obscure or regional sets like Burger King. These are mostly less expensive sets (excluding the Jello set, which I will probably never finish), but not ones that you'll be able to find cards from at just about any table. So now, here's what I have planned for the year: 1) Put a Top Ten list on my website. Degree of difficulty: Low - just a matter of finding a few minutes to draw one up. 2) Complete 1958 Topps(#2) Degree of difficulty: none - already finished by Lynn Miller this week! 3) Find two hits to the T206 Polar Bear list OR a Joss to ice the set. DOD: High The list is down to a couple dozen cards, which seem to turn up less often - and almost always with a different back. The Joss I've seen a few times, but I didn't want to pay more for it than I did for the Cobb ($300) 4) Find a couple of the 49/50 Bowman variations. DOD: Medium There's only a couple HOF'ers out of the ten left on my list, but the gray back 49's and the no copyright 50's are maddeningly elusive 5) Find two Red Man varations. DOD: Medium. Again, only about ten left, but the March/April dates are way more commonly found than the May/June expiration dates 6) 1960 Topps set(#2) list down to 10 or less. DOD: Low. A very aggressive goal, considering I need about 150 at this point, However, I started the set less than two months ago and have most of the high numbers, a good percentage of the stars and both the Mantles. Plus, this will be the one set I know I'll be able to find hits at the National... and there's still plenty of time (and easy hits) for the group to work on before that. 7) Find a dozen hits to the 1963 Jello set. DOD High. I started this set at the National with over half the set in a starter lot. Since then - zero added. There are a few "commons" on the list, but a couple recent searches on eBay didn't yield even any potential hits. 8) Find 5 Kellogg's variations: DOD Medium/high. I normally don't even look for these at shows. Mainly because they're mostly statistical variations discovered by someone who was only out to make my life miserable. Plus, I'm always discovering/reading about new variations that aren't even listed in my SCD. 9) Make progress on the Hostess sets. DOD: Low, since I need so many any haven't set a numerical goal. The only caveat with this is I'm mostly relying on OBC generosity on these... unless I bump into a cheap shoebox full of them ;-) 10) Cross off 10 FB cards on my list. DOD: Low. There's only one football set on my list. (Technically two, but the 63 Fleer set only needs one expensive RC and some variations - including another expensive RC) The 54 Bowman set should be easy to hit though. I may or may not devote some time at The National to hitting it depending on how the rest of the show goes... and if anything shows up in the mailbox between now and August. Well, that's it for now. Hopefully I'll revisit it in a year and see how it went for a first timer ;-) TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 05:31:53 -0800 To: "" Subject: Check out what I found on eBay! Mets collectors From: Rick Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! 1969 Topps Team Posters #24 New York Mets Tom Seaver Koosman s8 http://r.ebay.com/9JmbXA Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 06:04:59 -0800 To: "" Subject: 52 high on net 54 From: Rick On net 54 a 52 topps high number for $55 # 388 Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 12:24:43 -0500 Subject: Re: 2014 In Review... Revisited... From: Kent I forgot mention the Koufax binder from Joe and LaShelle Denning. Kudos to LaShelle for the thoughtfulness in putting these together. -----Original Message----- From: Kent To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 6, 2015 10:13 pm Subject: 2014 In Review... 2014 was a good year as far as finishing some sets that I had been working on for many years: The 1964 Topps Stand Ups was finally put to rest this year on the very lastday of the year with the purchase of the Mantle card. During the course of the 2014 year I was also able to finish the following: 1934 Goudey Baseball (R320) - Red Sox - 19(Grove) (eBay 1/4/14) 1974 Laughlin Old-Time Black Stars - 18(Torrienti)(eBay 2/17/14) 1962 Bell Brand Dodgers - 32(Koufax) - (eBay 3/28/14) 1961 Fleer World Champion Pennant Decals - Upgrade - 1939 (eBay 3/29/14) 1959 Topps Baseball Base Set (Upgrades - 510(Yankees Team Card) (4/3/14) 1975 Laughlin Batty Baseball (eBay 8/5/14) 1960 Leaf Baseball - 129(Cepeda) (eBay 9/11/14) 1962 Topps - 598(Rookie Parade Outfielders) (eBay 10/23/14) The 2014 National in Cleveland was a fun event. The highlight being the Dr.Taylor museum and of course the BBQ Also, the following thank yous have not been forgotten: Bill Ashton - 52T #18 Merrill Combs gray back variation Mike Mackie - 60T - #246 Lee Maye, 61Ts - #56 Russ Kemmerer,179 Joe Koppe, 227 Janl Pizarro, and 261 Frank Sullivan, and 67T 248 Gene Mauch. Thanks again guys, ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:14:03 -0500 Subject: T-206 From: Shawn Smart http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2015/01/16/rare-portland-trove-early-baseball-cards-go-under-hammer/=09=09=09=09=09 ================= To: Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:35:01 -0500 Subject: Opinion on lost card - what to do? From: "Bob Donaldson" I=92d like to get people=92s thoughts on this scenario. Two people agree to a trade. Each sends an older card, valued at about $50-60 to the other. Person A gets his card. Person B does not. These persons have traded once or twice before and neither suspects the other of anything malicious. It appears the card has been lost in the mail. I see three options. I would assume that before any option is taken both parties would wait some time (4 weeks?) as sometimes mail does get delayed. Option 1 =96 Do nothing, person B takes the loss Option 2 =96 Person A returns card to person B. Person A takes the loss Option 3 =96 Person A sends cash or a card valued at $25-30, both parties take =BD a loss All thoughts and comments appreciated! ================= To: Bob Donaldson , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:40:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? From: Mac Wubben My opinion has always been that the sender takes responsibility for his cards. If I didn't receive my cards, I'd expect the sender to compensate me in some way. I had a dealer scum purchase go missing...and I refunded the refunded the buyer's money (though I do have insurance). To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:35:01 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? Hi I=92d like to get people=92s thoughts on this scenario. Two people agreeto a trade. Each sends an older card, valued at about $50-60 to the other. Person A gets his card. Person B does not. These persons have traded onceor twice before and neither suspects the other of anything malicious. It appears the card has been lost in the mail. I see three options. I would assume that before any option is taken both parties would wait some time (4 weeks?) as sometimes mail does get delayed. Option 1 =96 Do nothing, personB takes the loss Option 2 =96 Person A returns card to person B. Person Atakes the loss Option 3 =96 Person A sends cash or a card valued at $25-30, both parties take =BD a loss All thoughts and comments appreciated! Thanks ================= To: Mac Wubben , Bob Donaldson , Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 15:36:16 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? From: Taylor Schock Agree. When I send stuff (trades or scum), I always determine what level ofprotection (like insurance) I want to provide myself, depending on how well I can 'absorb' the loss if the package doesn't arrive. And to the wait time... 4 weeks is not unreasonable when one of these packages goes into limbo. I've had a few (coming and going) that took the 3-4 time frame for unknown reasons. But usually if it doesn't show up after 4 weeks, it ain't showing up. To: obcbobd@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:40:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? My opinion has always been that the sender takes responsibility for his cards. If I didn't receive my cards, I'd expect the sender to compensate me in some way. I had a dealer scum purchase go missing...and I refunded the refunded the buyer's money (though I do have insurance). To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:35:01 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? Hi I=92d like to get people=92s thoughts on this scenario. Two people agreeto a trade. Each sends an older card, valued at about $50-60 to the other. Person A gets his card. Person B does not. These persons have traded onceor twice before and neither suspects the other of anything malicious. It appears the card has been lost in the mail. I see three options. I would assume that before any option is taken both parties would wait some time (4 weeks?) as sometimes mail does get delayed. Option 1 =96 Do nothing, personB takes the loss Option 2 =96 Person A returns card to person B. Person Atakes the loss Option 3 =96 Person A sends cash or a card valued at $25-30, both parties take =BD a loss All thoughts and comments appreciated! Thanks ================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 16:30:38 -0500 To: Mac Wubben Wubben , Bob Donaldson , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? From: Robert Fitts As a full time dealer in Japanese cards- the seller is ALWAYS responsible for delivery unless another agreement has been reached. For example, on $50cards I give the buyer the option of $2 for 1st class at their risk or $5 for priority at my risk. On Jan 16, 2015, at 2:40 PM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > My opinion has always been that the sender takes responsibility for his cards. If I didn't receive my cards, I'd expect the sender to compensate mein some way. > I had a dealer scum purchase go missing...and I refunded the refunded thebuyer's money (though I do have insurance). > Mac > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 14:35:01 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? > Hi > I=92d like to get people=92s thoughts on this scenario. > Two people agree to a trade. Each sends an older card, valued at about $50-60 to the other. > Person A gets his card. > Person B does not. > These persons have traded once or twice before and neither suspects the other of anything malicious. It appears the card has been lost in the mail. > I see three options. I would assume that before any option is taken bothparties would wait some time (4 weeks?) as sometimes mail does get delayed. > Option 1 =96 Do nothing, person B takes the loss > Option 2 =96 Person A returns card to person B. Person A takes the loss > Option 3 =96 Person A sends cash or a card valued at $25-30, both partiestake =BD a loss > All thoughts and comments appreciated! > Thanks > Bob ================= Date: Fri, 16 Jan 2015 23:22:46 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Help needed to compleet a big trade From: Patrick Prickett Hi All,So I found someone who is willing to trade 3 hits to my 1923 W572s!!! This is unheard of, and includes what is possibily a one of akind Joe Wood. This is my second highest priority set and I'm willing to dig deep to get these cards. The hitch is ... the guy wants "high grade" (graded or raw) 1950s stars (preferably Yankees, but any stars will do) and 1950s "regionals".Neither of theseexist in my low grade collection (even in my singles)!If you have anything that you would trade that you think may tempt someone looking for these items, please shoot me an email and let me know what you have. (Scans not necessary at this point. I'm just trying togather a list of cards to present to the guy for consideration, and then once he decides what he wants, I'll make you an offer.)Thanks for any help you can offer!Patrick ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 00:44:06 -0500 Subject: Excited! From: Mac Wubben Well, we finally got the keys to the new place yesterday. We've lived in asmall apartment for about 8 years now...the new place is a tad (5x) bigger. Sort of exciting... Really exciting: I picked off the last T3 I needed to complete the base set! Now that's exciting! Down to two variations, but I call it complete andmove it to the variations list. The card hasn't arrived yet, but I'm thrilled about it. Not a ton of hits along the way, but Chuck Paris got me started a long time ago, Geno traded me one...and of course, Steve Rittenberg provided the Cobb. Feels great putting that one to bed. ================= To: =?utf-8?B?b2JjLXJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20=?= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:52:25 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= To: Mac Wubben , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 09:40:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! From: Taylor Schock Congrats on both! VERY cool! The T3s could possibly be one of the nicest looking card sets.... ever. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 00:44:06 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! Well, we finally got the keys to the new place yesterday. We've lived in asmall apartment for about 8 years now...the new place is a tad (5x) bigger. Sort of exciting... Really exciting: I picked off the last T3 I needed to complete the base set! Now that's exciting! Down to two variations, but I call it complete andmove it to the variations list. The card hasn't arrived yet, but I'm thrilled about it. Not a ton of hits along the way, but Chuck Paris got me started a long time ago, Geno traded me one...and of course, Steve Rittenberg provided the Cobb. Feels great putting that one to bed. ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 10:42:35 -0500 To: Mac Wubben Wubben , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! From: Robert Fitts I almost started it (the T3) yesterday at the White Plains Show but chickened On Jan 17, 2015, at 12:44 AM, Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Well, we finally got the keys to the new place yesterday. We've lived ina small apartment for about 8 years now...the new place is a tad (5x) bigger. Sort of exciting... > Really exciting: I picked off the last T3 I needed to complete the base set! Now that's exciting! Down to two variations, but I call it complete and move it to the variations list. The card hasn't arrived yet, but I'm thrilled about it. Not a ton of hits along the way, but Chuck Paris got me started a long time ago, Geno traded me one...and of course, Steve Rittenberg provided the Cobb. Feels great putting that one to bed. > Mac ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:17:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Excited From: Larry Tipton Mac: Great news on your new home and also completing the T3 set! Hope your celebration includes a road trip to the Raleigh card show at the end of themonth! Sofa Bed "crash-pad" available! LOL! ================= To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:40:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! From: mikesportsfan@aol.com WOW WOW! Seems like the announcements deserve a double WOW. Should we continue to use the PO Box address? Seems odd after all the packages to and from Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 12:44 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! Well, we finally got the keys to the new place yesterday. We've lived in asmall apartment for about 8 years now...the new place is a tad (5x) bigger. Sort of exciting... Really exciting: I picked off the last T3 I needed to complete the base set! Now that's exciting! Down to two variations, but I call it complete andmove it to the variations list. The card hasn't arrived yet, but I'm thrilled about it. Not a ton of hits along the way, but Chuck Paris got me started a long time ago, Geno traded me one...and of course, Steve Rittenberg provided the Cobb. Feels great putting that one to bed. ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 14:04:35 -0500 To: Larry Tipton , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Excited From: illini_grad_90 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 17:01:39 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! From: Mac Wubben Thanks everyone. Yes, please use the po box for now. To: obcmac@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 12:40:06 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! WOW WOW! Seems like the announcements deserve a double WOW. Should we continue to use the PO Box address? Seems odd after all the packages to and from Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 17, 2015 12:44 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! Well, we finally got the keys to the new place yesterday. We've lived in asmall apartment for about 8 years now...the new place is a tad (5x) bigger. Sort of exciting... Really exciting: I picked off the last T3 I needed to complete the base set! Now that's exciting! Down to two variations, but I call it complete andmove it to the variations list. The card hasn't arrived yet, but I'm thrilled about it. Not a ton of hits along the way, but Chuck Paris got me started a long time ago, Geno traded me one...and of course, Steve Rittenberg provided the Cobb. Feels great putting that one to bed. ================= Date: 17 Jan 2015 14:57:38 -0800 To: Subject: It only took 44+ years to acquire 32 cards! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 17 Jan 2015 19:27:17 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Excited! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Well done Mac! How make sure you claim a room for the cards. The card board man cave! And that set is QUITE an accomplishment! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/17/2015 12:44:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Well, we finally got the keys to the new place yesterday. We've lived in a small apartment for about 8 years now...the new place is a tad (5x) bigger. Sort of exciting... Really exciting: I picked off the last T3 I needed to complete the base set! Now that's exciting! Down to two variations, but I call it complete and move it to the variations list. The card hasn't arrived yet, but I'm thrilled about it. Not a ton of hits along the way, but Chuck Paris got me started a long time ago, Geno traded me one...and of course, Steve Rittenberg provided the Cobb. Feels great putting that one to bed. ================= Date: 17 Jan 2015 17:06:01 -0800 To: Subject: I found a box of vintage in my closet...waiver wires available From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:00:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Giving Up On A non-sport Set From: Larry Tipton 1910-11 (non sports) T107 Helmar Cigarettes "Seals of the US and Coats of Arms of the World" Does anyone have these on their wantlist? I've got 34 different available looks like 150 in the set. ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:09:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Giving Up (non sports) Part II From: Larry Tipton 1927 Ogdens "Steeplechase Trainers and Owners Colours" 50 card set I have 21 diff plus 4 duplicates. Cards show a picture of the trainer and a picture of the colors the jockeywears. Anybody need or want these? ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 09:52:13 -0500 To: "Larry Tipton" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Meet-Up "Raleigh Card Show" Saturday From: "Jimmy Parker" Guru,

Pains me to say it, but it doesn't look like I'm going to be able to make it to Raleigh at the end of the month. If anything changes between now and then I'll let you know.

The show website seems to indicate that they have a few of these throughout the year, so hopefully you'll be impressed enough to possibly come back up for another one later this year. In any case, let me know how itgoes and safe travels.

Take it easy,
Catfish
================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 13:05:09 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: dealer scum 1941 double play lot From: Robert Fitts I=92m try one more time before before selling these elsewhere. I=92m selling 52 cut 1941 double play cards. these are the individual players. Most are VG and there are no stars. I will ONLY sell them as a lot - the numbers are: 1 2 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 25 26 27 29 30 32 33 35 36 37 38 41 4344 46 51 53 55 56 65 72 73 74 75 88 101 102 104 109 116 117 118 121 126 129 130 133 135 136 137 138 147 148 I want $75 for the lot and I=92ll pay for the postage. Rob fitts ================= Date: 18 Jan 2015 11:26:06 -0800 To: Subject: Topps Venezuelan card advice? From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 18 Jan 2015 11:39:46 -0800 To: Subject: Set killed! 1971 Topps football From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:03:15 -0500 To: Robert Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dealer scum 1941 double play lot From: Robert Fitts On Jan 18, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Robert Fitts robertfitts@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I=92m try one more time before before selling these elsewhere. > I=92m selling 52 cut 1941 double play cards. these are the individual players. Most are VG and there are no stars. > I will ONLY sell them as a lot - > the numbers are: 1 2 4 6 7 8 9 10 11 25 26 27 29 30 32 33 35 36 37 38 41 43 44 46 51 53 55 56 65 72 73 74 75 88 101 102 104 109 116 117 118 121 126 129 130 133 135 136 137 138 147 148 > I want $75 for the lot and I=92ll pay for the postage. > Rob fitts > ------------------------------------ > ------------------------------------ > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > ------------------------------------ > Yahoo Groups Links ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:59:22 -0500 Subject: Distinguishing Transograms From: typecard@aol.com I'm captivated by these. I have a few and want to gather more. Since they're not dated, is there a way to distinguish individual cards by the three different sets? Are there any variations? ================= To: Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 12:06:44 -0800 Subject: Article on Topps writer From: "George Vrechek" FYI - SCD has published my article on Len Brown, who worked at Topps for 41 years and who wrote the backs of the cards starting in 1960. Consequently it is now posted on the Library page at the bottom of "Other Hobby Pioneers." In a week or so SCD will run another article involving Brown dealing specifically with the 1960 set. That will also get posted on our library Future SCD articles will cover Butch Jacobs, who picked the photos for the front of the Topps cards. (I'll try to find the person responsible for the edges of the cards next.) George Vrechek ================= To: "'George Vrechek'" Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:23:49 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Article on Topps writer From: "Bob Donaldson" Have you talked to Butch yet. My biggest question on the front of Topps Cards in the 60s is why did they reuse a lot of photos for the 69 set (which I otherwise like a lot) from the 68 set. Two that come to mind are Yaz and Aaron, probably tow of the biggest players in the game, both cards of which just re-use their 1968 photos. Very disappointing. End Rant J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Monday, January 19, 2015 3:07 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Article on Topps writer FYI - SCD has published my article on Len Brown, who worked at Topps for 41 years and who wrote the backs of the cards starting in 1960. Consequently it is now posted on the Library page at the bottom of "Other Hobby Pioneers." In a week or so SCD will run another article involving Brown dealing specifically with the 1960 set. That will also get posted on our library Future SCD articles will cover Butch Jacobs, who picked the photos for the front of the Topps cards. (I'll try to find the person responsible for the edges of the cards next.) George Vrechek No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4260/8959 - Release Date: 01/19/15 ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 17:42:11 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: 2015 OBC membership Poll From: Don Rice Hey Guys- We are two weeks into polling, and we have just 5 non-responders at this point. Thank you to all that have responded! Meanwhile, if any of you are in contact with any of the following five and think they might like to continue as Active OBCers, please encourage them to respond. Our Not-So-Fab Five (:-) ) are: * Carlos Alcazar * Greg Buscemi * Gord Ellis * Mike Jackson * Jeff Whitworth Thanks for being OBC! ================= To: dkrice@nycap.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:11:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 OBC membership Poll From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I know snail mail from Canada is slower, but did not realize it also affected e-mail for Carlos and Gord. -----Original Message----- From: Don Rice dkrice@nycap.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 5:42 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 OBC membership Poll Hey Guys- We are two weeks into polling, and we have just 5 non-responders at this point. Thank you to all that have responded! Meanwhile, if any of you are in contact with any of the following five and think they might like to continue as Active OBCers, please encourage them to respond. Our Not-So-Fab Five ( :-) ) are: Carlos Alcazar Greg Buscemi Gord Ellis Mike Jackson Jeff Whitworth Thanks for being OBC! ================= To: , Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 19:14:56 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 OBC membership Poll From: "Grant Rainsley" Apparently we are refining this snail-like pace to a science, and expandingit..........which just happens suit this old retiree..........just anotherpoor pensioner on a fixed incomeJ But they haven=E2=99t caught up with me.......yet.......but I wonder when they will start slapping Customs duties on email....they just haven=E2=99t thought of it yet.......shhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: January-19-15 7:11 PM To: dkrice@nycap.rr.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 OBC membership Poll I know snail mail from Canada is slower, but did not realize it also affected e-mail for Carlos and Gord. -----Original Message----- From: Don Rice dkrice@nycap.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 5:42 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2015 OBC membership Poll Hey Guys- We are two weeks into polling, and we have just 5 non-responders at this point. Thank you to all that have responded! Meanwhile, if any of you are in contact with any of the following five and think they might like to continue as Active OBCers, please encourage them to respond. Our Not-So-Fab Five (:-) ) are: * Carlos Alcazar * Greg Buscemi * Gord Ellis * Mike Jackson * Jeff Whitworth Thanks for being OBC! ================= To: typecard@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:29:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Distinguishing Transograms From: mikesportsfan@aol.com The 1970s are slightly wider than the 1969s. In 1970 the regular v Mets set is tougher to distinguish (read, I do not know how for cut cards) forthe 3 Mets that are in the regular issue. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 3:59 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Distinguishing Transograms I'm captivated by these. I have a few and want to gather more. Since they're not dated, is there a way to distinguish individual cards by the three different sets? Are there any variations? ================= To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 22:43:02 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Giving Up (non sports) Part II From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I am quite confused. I thought you labeled this as non-sport. Jockeyscount as sports cards, at least to me. I think the below is the same set as shown on my wantlists (OK, the below is a HAVE, not want list). As if anyone would be surprised that I am collecting these. Mike Rich 26020 Radclift Pl Oak Park, MI 48237 Ogden's Jockeys & Owners Colours: HAVE: 1 3 4 5 21 24 26 30 47 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 9:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Giving Up (non sports) Part II 1927 Ogdens "Steeplechase Trainers and Owners Colours" 50 card set I have 21 diff plus 4 duplicates. Cards show a picture of the trainer and a picture of the colors the jockeywears. Anybody need or want these? ================= Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2015 20:12:05 -0800 To: "" Subject: Seahawks/packers From: Rick I know this is baseball group but I thought that game would spark a few comments. Sorry you packers fans we stole that one from you guys. Go Seahawks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 05:25:44 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? From: talbot1@comcast.net I believe it to be the senders responsibility to get the cards to the destination. If I buy something on eBay I expect to receive it, no questions asked. When I work out a trade with a fellow trader I expect to get the cards I'm trading for. Likewise, the person I'm trading with expects to get the items i am sending as well. I have been on both ends of this discussion. On two different occasions in over a decade in a half of trading the trade fodder that I was to send did not get to the intended target, both times the trade was significant and I felt terrible. In both cases my trading partnerstold me not to worry about it and though that was very cool of them I still sent duplicate packages because it was the right thing to do, after all it's only cardboard. I've had some eBay deals go bad where cards did not arrive and no refund was made but I left appropriate feedback and informed EVERYONE who would listen to avoid that seller at all costs. I even got one yanked off eBay by continued complaints to the customer service folks but that was years ago. So I would add an option 4 and send another package that was just as nice as the one that got lost in the mail. If it ever shows up (and it does happen sometimes) then the guy who gets the windfall can send a surprise attack to the other guy to even it out. That's what I would do - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "'Bob Donaldson' obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 16, 2015 2:35:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Opinion on lost card - what to do? I=E2=99d like to get people=E2=99s thoughts on this scenario. Two people agree to a trade. Each sends an older card, valued at about $50-60 to the other. Person A gets his card. Person B does not. These persons have traded once or twice before and neither suspects the other of anything malicious. It appears the card has been lost in the mail. I see three options. I would assume that before any option is taken both parties would wait some time (4 weeks?) as sometimes mail does get delayed. Option 1 =E2=93 Do nothing, person B takes the loss Option 2 =E2=93 Person A returns card to person B. Person A takes the loss Option 3 =E2=93 Person A sends cash or a card valued at $25-30, both parties take =BD a loss All thoughts and comments appreciated! ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:02:36 -0500 To: Rick , "" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers From: taylor_schock ================= To: "'taylor_schock'" , Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:47:12 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers From: "Grant Rainsley" In about two weeks, a Seahawk will be easy to spot........he=E2=99s the guy wearing the two huge diamond encrusted rings........... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of taylor_schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: January-20-15 7:03 AM To: Rick; Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers What's a seahawk? Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S=AE4. -------- Original message -------- From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date:01/19/2015 11:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers I know this is baseball group but I thought that game would spark a few comments. Sorry you packers fans we stole that one from you guys. Go Seahawks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:48:28 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers From: Joel Freedman you guys have a monumental task before you wear your second ring. brady, gronk, wilfork and revis stand in your way. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:47 AM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > In about two weeks, a Seahawk will be easy to spot........he=E2=99s the > wearing the two huge diamond encrusted rings........... > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *taylor_schock > taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > *Sent:* January-20-15 7:03 AM > *To:* Rick; > *Subject:* RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers > What's a seahawk? > Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S=AE4. > -------- Original message -------- > From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date:01/19/2015 11:12 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: "" > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers > I know this is baseball group but I thought that game would spark a few > comments. Sorry you packers fans we stole that one from you guys. Go > Seahawks! > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:06:28 -0600 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers From: TJ Valacak First, let me state that I am a Bears fan, so just being involved in a discussion about the playoffs is rare. Being a Bear fan, automatically I don't like the Packers. However, I can't stand Pete Carrol either. So, two teams I don't like. I was just hoping for an entertaining game that went down to the wire. Oh my gosh! Unbelievable. I am still wondering how the Packers lost. One of my buddies who was watching the game with me was going nuts after the 4th interception, screaming as to why the player went so quickly to a slide when there was open space ahead. Games not over. He said. That started adiscussion of how it seemed like the Packers were playing not to lose instead of playing to win. Whatever the case, the ending was unlike anything I had ever seen. Go Bears Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:48 AM, "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > you guys have a monumental task before you wear your second ring. brady,gronk, wilfork and revis stand in your way. >> On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 10:47 AM, 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: >> In about two weeks, a Seahawk will be easy to spot........he=E2=99s the guy wearing the two huge diamond encrusted rings........... >> From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of taylor_schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Sent: January-20-15 7:03 AM >> To: Rick; >> Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers >> What's a seahawk? >> Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S=AE4. >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >> Date:01/19/2015 11:12 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: "" >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers >> I know this is baseball group but I thought that game would spark a few comments. Sorry you packers fans we stole that one from you guys. Go Seahawks! >> Sent from my iPad ================= To: Grant Rainsley , 'Rick' , ' Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:04:33 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers From: Taylor Schock oh... football... nevermind then... I thought it was something that I should be concerned about. ;) To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com; rick.lyons22@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 07:47:12 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers In about two weeks, a Seahawk will be easy to spot........he=92s the guy wearing the two huge diamond encrusted rings........... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of taylor_schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: January-20-15 7:03 AM To: Rick; Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers What's a seahawk? Sent on the new Sprint Network from my Samsung Galaxy S=AE4. -------- Original message --------From: "Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date:01/19/2015 11:12 PM (GMT-05:00) To: "" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Seahawks/packers I know this is baseball group but I thought that game would spark a few comments. Sorry you packers fans we stole that one from you guys. Go Seahawks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 20 Jan 2015 09:28:32 -0800 To: Subject: Promoting the Year Project a little From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 12:36:38 -0500 To: Aaron Shirley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Promoting the Year Project a little From: Joel Freedman Yes, i reviewed the spreadsheets posted in the OBC year project and sent Jimi some 1975 Big boy cards. :) I also added my needs for this set. On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:28 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > From the Thanks server: > Jimi wrote: "JOEL FREEDMAN hits a list that hasn't been hit in awhile, the > 1975 Big Boy Family Restaurants "A Great American" set! Awesome stuff!" > This is good news to me. It tells me the Year Project is helping. Anyone > who is not a part of it, come check it out! > https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBCYearProject/info > We are currently working on 1950 and 1975, plus an early UV year. > You can see the wantlist spreadsheets here: > https://drive.google.com/folderview?id0B9Y4Ko3s9AqsOG5SVHpObjlvQWs&uspdrive_web > Aaron ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 10:07:45 -0800 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Promoting the Year Project a little From: Stamper I'm not on the year project. So here are the Big Boys coming your way. 18, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 26, 28, 30 John Stamper On Jan 20, 2015, at 9:36 AM, "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Yes, i reviewed the spreadsheets posted in the OBC year project and sent Jimi some 1975 Big boy cards. :) I also added my needs for this set. > Joel > On Tue, Jan 20, 2015 at 12:28 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> From the Thanks server: >> Jimi wrote: "JOEL FREEDMAN hits a list that hasn't been hit in awhile, the 1975 Big Boy Family Restaurants "A Great American" set! Awesome stuff!" >> This is good news to me. It tells me the Year Project is helping. Anyonewho is not a part of it, come check it out! >> https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBCYearProject/info >> We are currently working on 1950 and 1975, plus an early UV year. >> You can see the wantlist spreadsheets here: >> https://drive.google.com/folderview?id0B9Y4Ko3s9AqsOG5SVHpObjlvQWs&uspdrive_web >> Aaron ================= Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:09:59 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com " Subject: 2015 OBC-AC election From: mark holland It is time to think about the 2015 OBC-AC election. I am serving as the Elections Commissioner. Last year we had a 55% election participation. Let's strive for 100% this year. The nomination process works best if you send me an email stating that you nominate member X as Facilitator and members Y & Z as AC members AND that they agree to accept the nomination. Please CC the nominee on youremail to me. Failure to obtain concurrence up front could cause that nominee tomiss the 2/15 deadline. You should provide single nominee for Facilitator and multiple nominees forAC members. The same person can be nominated for both positions. Guidance for election bylaws can be found in the OBC "Rules of Conduct". To be eligible a member needs to have been active in OBC for 3 years (as of Feb.15) and you can't nominate yourself. To recap the process, Nominations to me prior to Feb 15...Election Feb 16 -Feb 28. Results published March 1. I will send out a formal reminder on Feb.1. Learn who has a desire to serveand get me those nominations with concurrence prior to 2/15. Feel free to send questions regarding the process. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 02:07:38 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: USS WASP carrier CV-18 From: ChicoD1@aol.com I know some of you guys collect cards of Navy ships and such. I was wondering if there were any cards of the WASP. My Dad was on that ship during Korea, and was also on the ship the day it collided with the HOBSON. I'd like to get him any for his birthday in March. I know there were different variations, as the carrier started out in WWII and actually was used to pick up the members of the Gemini space crew in the 60s. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 08:05:33 -0800 Subject: Re: Seahawks/packers From: "George Vrechek" I'm with TJ on the Packer game. I noticed a player telling the Packer player, who intercepted with 5 minutes left, to go down. It seemed like a bad idea to me at the time. I'm guessing that someone on the sideline must have yelled for him to go down - maybe he is all thumbs. The interception and the ensuing series by the Packers, where they went backwards with three running plays, was a lot different approach than a team like Ohio State and Urban Meyer. They keep the foot on the gas and keep scoring regardless of the time left. (and I'm a Michigan fan) Even without the onside kick recovery, the Seahawks would have probably gotten the ball back with time left. The Packers didn't put it away. Great game though. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 09:48:25 -0800 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Microsoft word/office From: wite3 ================= Date: 21 Jan 2015 10:19:27 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Microsoft word/office From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 13:32:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Microsoft word/office From: LUURSCJG@aol.com that what my office is i pay for a new version every time i get a new computer i like the idea of a life time version if they would honor it -----Original Message----- From: uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 21, 2015 12:19 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Microsoft word/office What version of Office? ================= To: =?utf-8?Q?Ray_Luurs?= , Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 18:34:17 +0000 Subject: =?utf-8?Q?Re:_[OBC-Ramblings]_Re:_Microsoft_word/office?From: Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 10:46:41 -0800 To: obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Microsoft word/office From: Geordie Calvert I'm pretty sure that office 365 is a $99 per year subscription service. Something like that. > On Jan 21, 2015, at 10:34 AM, Aaron Shirley uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I thought that was what Office 365 was. ================= Date: 21 Jan 2015 11:26:06 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Microsoft word/office From: mfmroz@prodigy.net ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 15:11:59 -0500 To: Wite3@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Microsoft word/office From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en When I bought a new computer last year, I found that my old computer (Dell) came with a DVD of Microsoft Office 2007. You might want to look to see if you have one. I had forgotten all about mine. BR, In a message dated 01/21/2015 12:48:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: So I recently had to wipe my hard drive to upgrade to windows8. As a result I lost my Microsoft Word/office. Microsoft is insisting that I buy anew one eventhough I had a license through dell for the lifetime of my computer. ..neither dell or Microsoft will honor that now. Anybody have an extra copy they are not using...will hit you back with cards. Lyl Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date:12/26/2014 3:21 PM (GMT-08:00) To: familytoad@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My newest T205s That was a good deal...I'm glad it went to one of us!! Awesome pick up... Take Care, From: "familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My newest T205s [1 Attachment] (https://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/neo/launch?.rand75voa3hppbron#TopText) from familytoad@comcast.net included below] A good deal popped up on N54 recently, so I bought 67 more of my beloved Attached picture. I guess set number 2 is a reality now (shrug) I'm powerless against old baseball cards!! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= Date: 21 Jan 2015 13:32:10 -0800 To: Subject: Reminiscing this past year & how far I've come From: larrygers@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2015 16:38:48 -0500 To: Larry Gersbach Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminiscing this past year & how far I've come From: Joel Freedman best laugh I have had in a while. you deserve a card for that laugh, thanks Gersh! On Wed, Jan 21, 2015 at 4:32 PM, larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Having gone thru prostate cancer surgery about 14 months ago, I sit here > thinking about some of the adventures that came my way because of it. For > example............. > It'd been about 3-4 weeks since my prostate surgery. I was ready to shed > my Depends diaper & begin wearing regular underwear albeit with a pad. I > ventured out to Starbucks that morning to get my early jolt of caffeine. > As I drove away, coffee in the console holder, I reached for it to take a > drink. It slipped out of my hand & spilt into my lap. Thankfully my jeans > prevented it from burning my manhood but it funneled the coffee between my > legs onto the seat. I now had a wet ass. I pulled into the nearest gas > station to use their facilities. I had my gym bag with me because I was > headed to the club to use their treadmill, so I had a change of clothes. > As I stripped to my skivvies I noticed the seat of my under pants was > brown. > Oh God, I am already suffering incontinence, having had several > "accidents" since my surgery. Now this!!! I could hear the conversation > with my wife........ > "Did you crap in your pants or what?" > "No Honey, it's just a coffee stain." > "On your ass?" > "Really, Sweetheart, that's what it is. Just smell it." > "Yeah right, do you take me for an idiot ?" > I did the right thing and tossed them in the trash can. > Too bad they were a brand new pair. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 00:03:47 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Great Blog From: ChicoD1@aol.com Has to be done by one of the boys in this group... http://pooroldbaseballcards.blogspot.com/ Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 00:51:04 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Microsoft word/office From: Joshua Levine Thanks for all the responses...I found what I needed (older version) that is free...with the help of Dell customer service I was able to reload an older version and it works fine. -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: Wite3 Sent: Wed, Jan 21, 2015 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Microsoft word/office What version are you looking for? I have a "reprint" version of 2010. I just don't know for sure if the crack will work with Win 8. Works with all other versions nicely. I also have 2007 somewhere. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/21/2015 12:48:34 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com So I recently had to wipe my hard drive to upgrade to windows8. As a resultI lost my Microsoft Word/office. Microsoft is insisting that I buy a new one eventhough I had a license through dell for the lifetime of my computer...neither dell or Microsoft will honor that now. Anybody have an extra copy they are not using...will hit you back with cards. Lyl Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message -------- From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date:12/26/2014 3:21 PM (GMT-08:00) To: familytoad@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My newest T205s That was a good deal...I'm glad it went to one of us!! Awesome pick up... Take Care, From: "familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My newest T205s [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from familytoad@comcast.net included below] A good deal popped up on N54 recently, so I bought 67 more of my beloved T205's. Attached picture. I guess set number 2 is a reality now (shrug) I'm powerless against old baseball cards!! OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= To: =?utf-8?B?b2JjLXJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20=?= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 11:48:20 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Blog From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2015 15:29:42 +0000 (UTC) To: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminiscing this past year & how far I've come From: talbot1@comcast.net I'm sitting in an educational conference and I am trying not to laugh my ASS off. I bet the presenter wonders what this shit eating grin on my face isall about!!! I wish I COULD LOL!!! REGARDS ---------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2015 4:32:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminiscing this past year & how far I've come Having gone thru prostate cancer surgery about 14 months ago, I sit here thinking about some of the adventures that came my way because of it. For example............. It'd been about 3-4 weeks since my prostate surgery. I was ready to shed myDepends diaper & begin wearing regular underwear albeit with a pad. I ventured out to Starbucks that morning to get my early jolt of caffeine. As I drove away, coffee in the console holder, I reached for it to take a drink. It slipped out of my hand & spilt into my lap. Thankfully my jeans prevented it from burning my manhood but it funneled the coffee between my legs onto the seat. I now had a wet ass. I pulled into the nearest gas station to use their facilities. I had my gym bag with me because I was headed to the club to use their treadmill, so I had a change of clothes. As I stripped to my skivvies I noticed the seat of my under pants was brown. Oh God, I am already suffering incontinence, having had several "accidents"since my surgery. Now this!!! I could hear the conversation with my wife........ "Did you crap in your pants or what?" "No Honey, it's just a coffee stain." "On your ass?" "Really, Sweetheart, that's what it is. Just smell it." "Yeah right, do you take me for an idiot ?" I did the right thing and tossed them in the trash can. Too bad they were a brand new pair. ================= Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 01:57:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Would you consider this the variation? From: ChicoD1@aol.com I saw this on Ebay (trying hard to spend too much money on variations) and came across this one. PSA has it as the error, but looking at the back, I have seen a lot that look more like it should be. 1957 Bakep card... I guess I can always say, "according to PSA I have the card". http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-176-Gene-Baker-Chicago-Cubs-ERROR-Eugene- This looks like one of those "tweeners", kind of like the 58s, where you can see half the yellow on the non variations. Is there a way to look up the number on the PSA site to see how this was actually graded? I'll bid on this if the consensus is that this one qualifies (aside from the PSA Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS - my searching has been fruitful, as I picked up the 1931 (not obscured) Spahn for $10 buy it now. I haven't been able to find this one forever. I think it's the hardest of the 3 to find. The bidding started at $5, but I think I would have cried if I didn't grab it BIN and lost out. _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Topps-Warren-Spahn-40-G-G-Correct-1931-/161567 (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Topps-Warren-Spahn-40-G-G-Correct-1931-/161567013889?ssPageName=STR ================= Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:25:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Might as well ask for opinions on this one too... From: ChicoD1@aol.com _http://www.ebay.com/itm/171649228270?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/171649228270?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) It's a goal and set killer... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 10:49:37 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Might as well ask for opinions on this one From: richard dingman Great pickup on the Spahn, I am still looking for that one too. Re Baker, doesn't look good enough for me. Re mantle, I am always concerned about counterfeits so I would post this onnet54 and ask those guys, they are the experts, might be a good deal. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 02:25:14 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Might as well ask for opinions on this one too... http://www.ebay.com/itm/171649228270?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT It's a goal and set killer... OBC - 1992 ================= To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 12:01:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Would you consider this the variation? From: LUURSCJG@aol.com it is an error card thry are suppose to be rare and I spent more than 10 bucks to get Course i bought mne from reputable OBC dealer whom I trust -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 23, 2015 12:57 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Would you consider this the variation? I saw this on Ebay (trying hard to spend too much money on variations) and came across this one. PSA has it as the error, but looking at the back, I have seen a lot that look more like it should be. 1957 Bakep card... I guessI can always say, "according to PSA I have the card". http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-Topps-176-Gene-Baker-Chicago-Cubs-ERROR-Eugene-W-Bakep-PSA-3-VG-MC-/161566700714?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem259e2034aa This looks like one of those "tweeners", kind of like the 58s, where you can see half the yellow on the non variations. Is there a way to look up the number on the PSA site to see how this was actually graded? I'll bid on this if the consensus is that this one qualifies (aside from the PSA designation). Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS - my searching has been fruitful, as I picked up the 1931 (not obscured)Spahn for $10 buy it now. I haven't been able to find this one forever. I think it's the hardest of the 3 to find. The bidding started at $5, but I think I would have cried if I didn't grab it BIN and lost out. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-Topps-Warren-Spahn-40-G-G-Correct-1931-/161567013889?ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksidp2047675.l2557&nmatrue&= ================= Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 15:28:38 -0800 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] $10 1967 Tommy John + $2 postage From: Rick Shocked this hasn't sold yet Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2015, at 2:19 PM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings] > BIN on evilbay--card #609 > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-Baseball-609-Tommy-John-609-POOR-B1913-/131411319247?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem1e98b999cf ================= Date: 23 Jan 2015 15:55:50 -0800 To: Subject: Re: $10 1967 Tommy John + $2 postage From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 23 Jan 2015 18:59:19 -0500 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: $10 1967 Tommy John + $2 postage From: Jimi Thayer Frank Jobe, yes.....Tommy John, no. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 23, 2015, at 6:55 PM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Quick poll: should Tommy John and/or Frank Jobe be in the HOF? ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 00:10:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: good nite mr. cub From: smartalecx@aol.com so I am going through some dupes to pick out what I am going to contribute to my football pool prize list tonight, about 3 hours ago. I get to the 67s, and there are mays, Gibson and Ernie. all three, prime candidates. I look at all these HOFers and say, I cant trade Mr cub! 2 hours later, I hear that Ernie has passed. his autograph sits on the sweet spot of a ball prominently displayed in my card room, between teammates Fergie Jenkins and Billy Williams. I am not a bat collector, but when I had the opportunity to have Ernie sign one for me, I couldn't pass it up. you could tell over the past few years that age was catching up with him. but you could still him several times a year at Wrigley, singing the seventh inning stretch, always smiling, always shaking hands, and always Mr. cub. RIP Ernie, we will miss you! sorry you never got to see the cubs go all the way! let's play two! Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 01:10:40 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: It's a sad day for baseball... From: ChicoD1@aol.com but let's play 2! Very sad to learn of the passing of Mr. Cub Ernie Banks. Many of today's players can learn something from him. Not only a tremendous talent, but just a damn good guy. He will be missed for sure... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 09:47:45 -0500 To: smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] good nite mr. cub From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en One of the main reasons I rooted against the Mets in 1969 was to see Ernie play in the post season for the first time. It wasn't meant to be. In a message dated 01/24/2015 12:10:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: so I am going through some dupes to pick out what I am going to contribute to my football pool prize list tonight, about 3 hours ago. I get to the 67s, and there are mays, Gibson and Ernie. all three, prime candidates. I look at all these HOFers and say, I cant trade Mr cub! 2 hours later, I hear that Ernie has passed. his autograph sits on the sweet spot of a ball prominently displayed in my card room, between teammates Fergie Jenkins and Billy Williams. I am not a bat collector, but when I had the opportunity to have Ernie sign one for me, I couldn't pass it up. you could tell over the past few years that age was catching up with him. but you could still him several times a year at Wrigley, singing the seventh inning stretch, always smiling, always shaking hands, and always Mr. RIP Ernie, we will miss you! sorry you never got to see the cubs go all the way! let's play two! Gary Mandell P.O. Box 180333 Chicago, IL 60618-0676 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 08:03:00 -0800 Subject: Re: good nite mr. cub From: "George Vrechek" As a kid I rode the bus with my buddies to Wrigley and brought along a dime-store baseball to get player autographs. I could never get Ernie Banks signature on the ball. He was always surrounded by so many kids after the game. I sent him a postcard though and he signed and returned it which I still have - along with some glue on the back from pasting it to my bulletin board. Let's play two, Ernie. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 14:34:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Goudey Dodgers From: ChicoD1@aol.com Does anyone have a team checklist of the Goudeys? Might be time to expand the Dodgers want list...I have a few Spike has sent me, and I think they are getting lonely... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:08:26 -0500 To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Dodgers From: Joshua Levine 1933 Goudey Dodgers: #2 Vance, #13 Thompson, #17 Clark, #32 Clancy, #58 O'Doul, #72 Carroll, #78 Quinn, #99 Cuccinello, #118, Picinich, #141 Benge, #143 #151 Flowers, #155 Judge, #211 Wilson. 1934 Goudey Dodgers: #24 Benge, #46 Stripp, #47 Frederick, #49 Leslie, #50 Beck, #89 Frey. 1935 Goudey Dodgers: Leslie/Frey/Stripp/Clark, Benge/Zachary/Koeing/Fitzsimmons, 1936 Goudey Dodgers: #3 Frenchi Bordagara 1938 Goudey Dodgers: #254 Mungo, #278 Mungo 1941 Goudey Dodgers: #18 Wyatt Hope this helps... -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 11:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Dodgers Does anyone have a team checklist of the Goudeys? Might be time to expand the Dodgers want list...I have a few Spike has sent me, and I think they aregetting Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: tradingbases@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 15:43:56 -0500 Subject: Ernie Banks From: KEVINM38@aol.com Hi all, I was so sorry to hear the passing of Ernie Banks He was a great ball player and a funny guy and a good person. I think it was the 1987 National, I was dating a nice looking lady We were walking around and there was Ernie just finished signing, he was just sitting there , so my girl friend and walk up to Ernie Banks so I can say how much I admired He started joking with us, had us sit down with him and he started breakingWillie Mays chops calling him a stiff ass black man. I was rolling. We satwith him for about an hour. To this day that was one of my best times, he was so much fun and made us feel like family. I think having the pretty girlfriend might of helped me out that day. But Ihope not, and it was just Ernie being Ernie. So to me hearing this sad news hit a litter harder. Ernie, I hope you are playing 2 in Heaven. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:48:17 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Net 54 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Took me three shots (and the last oneprodded by Richard Dingman) and I finally can go to the dinner at the National LOL. So what do I do with my new found card outlet? I pull a rookie move and post about that 52B Mantle I was looking for- only I posted it in the wrong section. Well there goes rookie of the year, but I have gotten some real good feedback about the card. He has no bids at $250 (which is fine by me). I'm thinking of offering $150 and feel him out. No way I'm topping $200 for this one. Do you think it's fair or overshooting it based on condition? _http://www.ebay.com/itm/171649228270?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/171649228270?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:54:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Dodgers From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Many thanks for the assistance. And of course, everyone brought up teamsets4u which I have book marked and use for the Mets lists. This middleage crap isn't working out too well for my memory! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/24/2015 3:08:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wite3@aol.com writes: 1933 Goudey Dodgers: #2 Vance, #13 Thompson, #17 Clark, #32 Clancy, #58 O'Doul, #72 Carroll, #78 Quinn, #99 Cuccinello, #118, Picinich, #141 Benge, #143 Wright, #151 Flowers, #155 Judge, #211 Wilson. 1934 Goudey Dodgers: #24 Benge, #46 Stripp, #47 Frederick, #49 Leslie, #50 Beck, #89 Frey. 1935 Goudey Dodgers: Leslie/Frey/Stripp/Clark, Benge/Zachary/Koeing/Fitzsimmons, Vance/Berry/Burke/Kress 1936 Goudey Dodgers: #3 Frenchi Bordagara 1938 Goudey Dodgers: #254 Mungo, #278 Mungo 1941 Goudey Dodgers: #18 Wyatt Hope this helps... -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 11:34 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Goudey Dodgers Does anyone have a team checklist of the Goudeys? Might be time to expand the Dodgers want list...I have a few Spike has sent me, and I think they are getting lonely... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 20:34:52 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: I've made the plunge! From: ChicoD1@aol.com OK this is as close to a prewar set as I can get. I've posted my Goudey Dodgers list. I think Spike gave me all three that I have. BUT there are only 35 cards. Thanks to Josh for the listing, and I added a few others from the team sets site. This is a perfect example of OBC-OCD. So, how tough is this to complete? Thank God for names like Mungo and not Ruth... Mungo loves baseball cards (name the reference). Goudey Brooklyn Dodgers - Need 32 of 35 - 1/24/15 1933 Goudey Dodgers: 2 Vance, 13 Thompson, 17 Clark, 32 Clancy, 58 O'Doul, 78 Quinn, 99 Cuccinello, 118, Picinich, 141 Benge, 143 Wright, 151 Flowers, 211 Wilson. 1934 Goudey Dodgers: 24 Benge, 46 Stripp, 47 Frederick, 49 Leslie, 50 Beck, 89 Frey. 1935 Goudey Dodgers: 1936 Goudey Black and White Dodgers: 3 Frenchi Bordagara 1936 Goudey Wide Pen Premium Stan Bordagaray - Portrait Lonnie Frey - Batting Freddie Lindstrom - Portrait Randy Moore - Portrait Dan Taylor - Portrait 1937 Goudey Flip Movies R326 6 Van Lingo Mungo - Part 1 (Tosses Fire-Ball) 6 Van Lingo Mungo - Part 2 (Tosses Fire-Ball) 1937 Goudey Thum Movies R342 6 Van Mungo 1938 Goudey Dodgers: 254 Mungo, 278 Mungo 1941 Goudey Dodgers: 18 Wyatt Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 03:28:30 +0000 (UTC) To: "Ramblings (OBC)" Subject: Major collection milestone reached From: Geordie Calvert I've been a member of OBC since late 1996. Tonight I reached a milestone that back then I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd reach. When I signed up, my goal at the time was to finish up my 1970s Dodgers sets. It wasn't long after that I figured I'd reach back a little further and go from 1966 (birth year) on up. That seemed safe. I already had the Koufaxfrom '66, so no major cards needed. Going back further into the '60s meantmore Koufaxes, Sniders, the McMullen RC. No way I'm ever going to have cards like that, so why even think about it. Well, you guys know OBC. It wasn't too long that cards from the early '60s started showing up in my mailbox,and even a few stragglers from the '50s. The 50s? Yeah, right. That's NEVER going to happen. I mean, we're talking Campy. Jackie. Pee Wee. Snider. The Koufax RC. You know, the Dodgers legends. Once again I underestimated thepower of OBC. The Koufax showed up as an amazing RAOK from old friend Jim Wiehe. Other key cards showed up from time to time, and along with some timely eBay purchases (remember when 1955 Jackies could be had for $10?) I gave serious thought to adding early Bowman and Topps sets. And one by one those sets all fell. Except one. 1952 Topps. 33 cards in the set, 16 of them high numbers. Jackie. Pee Wee. Campy. Pafko, card #1. So I held out. I put T205 and T206 Brooklyn Superbas on my wantlist. Finished those. 1933 Goudey? Done. Finally I put up the '52. Never expected to make much progress. But sure enough I did. Little by little I chipped away, making purchases at the occasional S.F. Tri-Star show, an eBay purchase here and there. Got myself down to Jackie and five others. Last summer I picked up the Jackie in a trade with a really good dude that I met on a hobby message board. I knew the finishline was now in sight. And tonight I broke the tape. #396, Dick Williams, has been scanned and is in my Dodgers binder. Wow. :) Thanks to all of the old-timers that helped out along the way. I could not have gotten here without your wonderful gifts and and most importantly yourencouragement. I know that I'm a stranger to a good many of you, and I am a very infrequent sender. I hope to get better at that, but will never riseto the level of so many of you. Despite my participation level, I'm thankful and quite proud to be a member of OBC. So agian, thank you. I truly appreciate this group and what it means to me and what it means to everyone else. You're a really special group of collections, and it's an honor to be counted among you. If you guys want to take a look, here are some links to scans of my vintageDodgers. http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/bowman.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps50s.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps60s.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:40:50 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Bleepin' EH! WTG! I know the feeling every time you mark a Dodger off the list when you get close, and I'm only doing Brooklyn! I think I'll print those and cut out the ones I need for the binder for now lol... Nice going! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/24/2015 10:28:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I've been a member of OBC since late 1996. Tonight I reached a milestone that back then I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd reach. When I signed up, my goal at the time was to finish up my 1970s Dodgers sets. It wasn't long after that I figured I'd reach back a little further and go from 1966 (birth year) on up. That seemed safe. I already had the Koufax from '66, so no major cards needed. Going back further into the '60s meant more Koufaxes, Sniders, the McMullen RC. No way I'm ever going to have cards like that, so why even think about it. Well, you guys know OBC. It wasn't too long that cards from the early '60s started showing up in my mailbox, and even a few stragglers from the '50s. The 50s? Yeah, right. That's NEVER going to happen. I mean, we're talking Campy. Jackie. Pee Wee. Snider. The Koufax RC. You know, the Dodgers legends. Once again I underestimated the power of OBC. The Koufax showed up as an amazing RAOK from old friend Jim Wiehe. Other key cards showed up from time to time, and along with some timely eBay purchases (remember when 1955 Jackies could be had for $10?) I gave serious thought to adding early Bowman and Topps sets. And one by one those sets all fell. Except one. 1952 Topps. 33 cards in the set, 16 of them high numbers. Jackie. Pee Wee. Campy. Pafko, card #1. So I held out. I put T205 and T206 Brooklyn Superbas on my wantlist. Finished those. 1933 Goudey? Done. Finally I put up the '52. Never expected to make much progress. But sure enough I did. Little by little I chipped away, making purchases at the occasional S.F. Tri-Star show, an eBay purchase here and there. Got myself down to Jackie and five others. Last summer I picked up the Jackie in a trade with a really good dude that I met on a hobby message board. I knewthe finish line was now in sight. And tonight I broke the tape. #396, Dick Williams, has been scanned and is in my Dodgers binder. Wow. :) Thanks to all of the old-timers that helped out along the way. I could not have gotten here without your wonderful gifts and and most importantly your encouragement. I know that I'm a stranger to a good many of you, andI am a very infrequent sender. I hope to get better at that, but will never rise to the level of so many of you. Despite my participation level, I'm thankful and quite proud to be a member of OBC. So agian, thank y ou. I truly appreciate this group and what it means to me and what it means to everyone else. You're a really special group of collections, and it's an honor to be counted among you. If you guys want to take a look, here are some links to scans of my vintage Dodgers. http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/bowman.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps50s.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps60s.htm _http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm_ (http://ho%20me.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm) ================= Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2015 23:42:36 -0500 To: Geordie Calvert , "Ramblings (OBC)" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 05:48:12 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 01:09:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en For some of us, we are fast approaching a silver anniversary! Hmmm.... how about those 52 white/grey back Dodgers? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/25/2015 12:48:25 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Congrats Geordie! Took you long enough :-) Seriously though, I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that this ride we've been on is fast approaching twenty years. Doesn't seem like it's been more than five or So what's next? Oddballs? Variations? Fifties and early sixties sets? Dream big! Ken M Sent from my not so smart phone ------ Original message------ From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@co... Date: Sat, 1/24/2015 10:28 PM To: Ramblings (OBC); Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached I've been a member of OBC since late 1996. Tonight I reached a milestone that back then I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd reach. When I signed up, my goal at the time was to finish up my 1970s Dodgers sets. It wasn't long after that I figured I'd reach back a little further and go from 1966 (birth year) on up. That seemed safe. I already had the Koufax from '66, so no major cards needed. Going back further into the '60s meant more Koufaxes, Sniders, the McMullen RC. No way I'm ever going to have cards like that, so why even think about it. Well, you guys know OBC. It wasn't too long that cards from the early '60s started showing up in my mailbox, and even a few stragglers from the '50s. The 50s? Yeah, right. That's NEVER going to happen. I mean, we're talking Campy. Jackie. Pee Wee. &am p;n bsp;Snider. The Koufax RC. You know, the Dodgers legends. Once again I underestimated the power of OBC. The Koufax showed up as an amazing RAOK from old friend Jim Wiehe. Other key cards showed up from time to time, and along with some timely eBay purchases (remember when 1955 Jackies could be had for $10?) I gave serious thought to adding early Bowman Topps sets. And one by one those sets all fell. Except one. 1952 Topps. 33 cards in the set, 16 of them high numbers. Jackie. Pee Wee. Campy. Pafko, card #1. So I held out. I put T205 and T206 Brooklyn Superbas on my wantlist. Finished those. 1933 Goudey? Done. Finally I put up the '52. Never expected to make much progress. But sure enough I did. Little by little I chi pped away, making purchases at the occasional S.F. Tri-Star show, an eBay purchase here and there. Got myself down to Jackie and five others. Last summer I picked up the Jackie in a trade with a really good dude that I met on a hobby message board. I knewthe finish line was now in sight. And tonight I broke the tape. #396, Dick Williams, has been scanned and is in my Dodgers binder. Wow. :) Thanks to all of the old-timers that helped out along the way. I could not have gotten here without your wonderful gifts and and most importantly your encouragement. I know that I'm a stranger to a good many of you, andI am a very infrequent sender. I hope to get better at that, but will never rise to the level of so many of you. Despite my participation level, I'm thankful and quite proud to be a member of OBC. So agian, thank you. &nbs p;I truly appreciate this group and what it means to me and what it means to everyone else. You're a really special group of collections, and it's an honor to be counted among you. If you guys want to take a look, here are some links to scans of my vintage Dodgers. _http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm _ (http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm) _http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/bowman.htm _ (http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/bowman.htm) _http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps50s.htm _ (http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps50s.htm) _http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps60s.htm _ (http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps60s.htm) _http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm _ (http://home.c%20omca%20st.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm) ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 04:29:51 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: major collecting milestone reached From: Larry Tipton Congratulations Geordie! Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 08:50:14 -0700 (MST) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: rrrlyons1 thought you might like this item on eBay From: "eBay Member: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com" An eBay member wants to show you this item Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! Show me http://r.ebay.com/oTZzdx Item name: 1968 TOPPS OPC O PEE CHEE CANADA PINUPS MINI POSTER #8 HANK AARON http://r.ebay.com/oTZzdx Buy It Now price: $24.99 End time: Feb-23-15 13:59:59 PST Email reference id: [#00aac56155094255b8bd63e4db6c90a1#] Learn how you can protect yourself from spoof (fake) emails at: http://pages.ebay.com/education/spooftutorial/index.html. This email sent through the eBay platform from a sender who thinks you are likely to be interested in this information. eBay takes no liability for sending this email or its content. 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 10:27:00 -0600 To: "" Subject: Memories of Mr. Cub From: john harrell I've been a huge Cardinals fan my whole life and grew up listening to KMOX as a kid, with Dizzy Dean, Joe Garigiola, Buddy Blattner, Harry Carey and others. Occasionally my folks would go to St. Louis for a game and in 1963 they took me with them to see Stan Musial in his last season. The Cards were playing the Cubs that day and i remember being excited to see my Cardinal heroes that day. Unfortunately they lost that day and Stan went 0-4, but I did witness something that day I'll never forget, the sight of Ernie lacing into one and sending it over the left field scoreboard. A very cool memory. ================= To: Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 12:14:29 -0500 Subject: OBC Super Bowl Pool XV ! From: "Supreme Commander" It is that time again! for the 15th year now I will run our OBC superbowl pool. Last year you may remember that I was one of the winners... because of the SAFTEY on the first play. That was crazy. But it is always fun and now responsible for over 5000 OBC hits! Please see last years results for directions... If you are new, in a nutshell, you get a few squares and we all send cards to the "winners". Very low pressure. So, check out http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-14.htm and email me so I can put you into this years pool. Yea! Go OBC! ================= To: dodgergeo@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2015 20:23:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached From: mikesportsfan@aol.com As many have said, CONGRATULATIONS! As Wes said, what is next??? Peter Mead gave you a few ideas, plus the 1934-41 Goudeys and the Playballs. It will NEVER end! Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Ramblings (OBC) Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 10:28 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached I've been a member of OBC since late 1996. Tonight I reached a milestone that back then I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd reach. When I signed up, my goal at the time was to finish up my 1970s Dodgers sets. It wasn't long after that I figured I'd reach back a little further andgo from 1966 (birth year) on up. That seemed safe. I already had the Koufax from '66, so no major cards needed. Going back further into the '60s meant more Koufaxes, Sniders, the McMullen RC. No way I'm ever going to have cards like that, so why even think about it. Well, you guys know OBC. It wasn't too long that cards from the early '60s started showing up in my mailbox, and even a few stragglers from the '50s. The 50s? Yeah, right. That's NEVER going to happen. I mean, we're talking Campy. Jackie. Pee Wee. Snider. The Koufax RC. You know, the Dodgers legends. Once again I underestimated the power of OBC. The Koufax showed up as an amazing RAOK from old friend Jim Wiehe. Other key cards showed up from time to time, and along with some timely eBay purchases (remember when 1955 Jackies could be had for $10?) I gave serious thought to adding early Bowman and Topps sets.And one by one those sets all fell. Except one. 1952 Topps. 33 cards in the set, 16 of them high numbers. Jackie. Pee Wee. Campy. Pafko, card #1. So I held out. I put T205 and T206 Brooklyn Superbas on my wantlist. Finished those. 1933 Goudey? Done. Finally I put up the '52. Never expected to make much progress. But sure enough I did. Little by little I chipped away, making purchases at the occasional S.F. Tri-Star show, an eBay purchase here and there. Got myself down to Jackie and five others. Last summer I picked up the Jackie in a trade with a really good dude that I met on a hobby message board. I knew thefinish line was now in sight. And tonight I broke the tape. #396, Dick Williams, has been scanned and isin my Dodgers binder. Wow. :) Thanks to all of the old-timers that helped out along the way. I could nothave gotten here without your wonderful gifts and and most importantly your encouragement. I know that I'm a stranger to a good many of you, and I am a very infrequent sender. I hope to get better at that, but will never rise to the level of so many of you. Despite my participation level, I'm thankful and quite proud to be a member of OBC. So agian, thank y ou. I truly appreciate this group and what it means to me and what it means to everyone else. You're a really special group of collections, and it's an honor to be counted among you. If you guys want to take a look, here are some links to scans of my vintageDodgers. http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/bowman.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps50s.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps60s.htm http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 00:12:45 -0500 Subject: waiver wire - type cards From: Ed Pike Free for the asking, some Sportscasters and oddball type cards. I got a huge group of Sportscaters, with two Hank Aarons so have a duplicate to pass on and lots of sports like boxing, football, auto racing etc thatI don't collect and would be happy to pass on. Also, some of the unsual: Azara's Dog Paraguay silk. Butterflys of the world from Kinney brothers Adventure Gum #91 "Dead Heat" "Olympic Marathon" (I think that this is a 1950s Kellogs issue) 1930's misc Sanella track and field, others "Solima Olympiad 1928" Carr Gill Dod, mile champion, exhibit (1948?) Topps magic photo Nimitz ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 07:22:48 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: '66 Topps push From: Gary Beard I didn't get very far with my '67 and '68 Topps lists before the end of theyear, which wasn't a bad thing necessarily, because I didn't have as much free time in December as I thought I would. I still need to get a fewpackages out and this week looks to be a slow week, so I should have time to get caught up. I thought I'd start 2015 with a push for my '66 Topps set. Any help would be greatly appreciated and reciprocated whenever 1966 Topps Regular 72 276 407 463 487 519 537 555 572 589 92 288 409 464 488 521 540 557 573 590 100 298 410 467 490 523 541 558 574 591 110 300 419 469 496 524 542 559 575 592 125 310 424 470 497 525 543 560 576 593 126 315 425 471 498 526 544 561 577 594 160 320 430 472 500 527 545 562 579 595 195 348 435 473 501 529 546 563 581 596 215 350 440 476 504 530 547 565 582 597 217 365 443 480 505 531 548 566 583 598 219 375 449 481 506 532 549 567 584 238 390 450 482 512 533 550 568 585 243 397 453 483 514 534 551 569 586 254 402 455 485 515 535 552 570 587 255 405 456 486 518 536 554 571 588 ** 145 LEFT! ** Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 08:44:51 -0600 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached From: john harrell Congrats Geordie!! It is tremendously satisfying when you achieve a goal like that, that you have set for yourself. Now it's time for prewar fun!! Goudey's, Play Ball, Diamond Stars, Tattoo Orbit, tobacco cards? Congrats again. On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 7:23 PM, mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] < OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Geordie, > As many have said, CONGRATULATIONS! As Wes said, what is next??? > Peter Mead gave you a few ideas, plus the 1934-41 Goudeys and the > Playballs. It will NEVER end! > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> > To: Ramblings (OBC) > Sent: Sat, Jan 24, 2015 10:28 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Major collection milestone reached > I've been a member of OBC since late 1996. Tonight I reached a > milestone that back then I never in my wildest dreams thought I'd reach. > When I signed up, my goal at the time was to finish up my 1970s Dodgers > sets. It wasn't long after that I figured I'd reach back a little further > and go from 1966 (birth year) on up. That seemed safe. I already had the > Koufax from '66, so no major cards needed. Going back further into the > '60s meant more Koufaxes, Sniders, the McMullen RC. No way I'm *ever* > going to have cards like that, so why even think about it. Well, you guys > know OBC. It wasn't too long that cards from the early '60s started > showing up in my mailbox, and even a few stragglers from the '50s. The > 50s? Yeah, right. That's NEVER going to happen. I mean, we're talking > Campy. Jackie. Pee Wee. Snider. The Koufax RC. You know, the Dodgers > legends. Once again I underestimated the power of OBC. The Koufax showed > up as an amazing RAOK from old friend Jim Wiehe. Other key cards showed up > from time to time, and along with some timely eBay purchases (remember when > 1955 Jackies could be had for $10?) I gave serious thought to adding early > Bowman and Topps sets. And one by one those sets all fell. Except one. > 1952 Topps. 33 cards in the set, 16 of them high numbers. Jackie. Pee > Wee. Campy. Pafko, card #1. > Not.Going.To.Happen. > So I held out. I put T205 and T206 Brooklyn Superbas on my wantlist. > Finished those. 1933 Goudey? Done. > Finally I put up the '52. Never expected to make much progress. But > sure enough I did. Little by little I chipped away, making purchases at > the occasional S.F. Tri-Star show, an eBay purchase here and there. Got > myself down to Jackie and five others. Last summer I picked up the Jackie > in a trade with a really good dude that I met on a hobby message board. I > knew the finish line was now in sight. > And tonight I broke the tape. #396, Dick Williams, has been scanned and > is in my Dodgers binder. > Wow. :) > Thanks to all of the old-timers that helped out along the way. I could > not have gotten here without your wonderful gifts and and most importantly > your encouragement. I know that I'm a stranger to a good many of you, and > I am a *very* infrequent sender. I hope to get better at that, but will > never rise to the level of so many of you. Despite my participation level, > I'm thankful and quite proud to be a member of OBC. So agian, thank y ou. > I truly appreciate this group and what it means to me and what it means to > everyone else. You're a really special group of collections, and it's an > honor to be counted among you. > If you guys want to take a look, here are some links to scans of my > vintage Dodgers. > Geordie > http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm > http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/bowman.htm > http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps50s.htm > http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps60s.htm > http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/topps70s.htm ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 10:45:12 -0800 Subject: article on 1960 Topps baseball From: "George Vrechek" FYI - In the middle of "All about the cards" on our library page is a new article: THE 1960 SET: LEN BROWN'S FIRST BIG JOB AT TOPPS which gets into some of the details on the set. This is a follow-up article to a story about Brown's career at Topps which is also on our library page under Hobby Pioneers, although Len is just a kid of 73. George Vrechek ================= Date: 26 Jan 2015 14:11:35 -0800 To: Subject: Available 59s From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 18:02:51 -0500 To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] article on 1960 Topps baseball From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Makes me wish my Dad had done a birth year set for me! If any of you guys haven't had a chance, I HIGHLY suggest going through the library and checking out George's (and the others) articles. I had some down time and was thumbing through that section. You kind of get engulfed reading (like going to Wikipedia and then constantly clicking links withinone article. Next thing you know, you spent 2 hours browsing). Terrific reading material and talk about increasing your knowledge of cards! I mustsay, it's pretty cool having George on our side. I can't tell you how much I enjoy reading them and learning about the "card board with pictures of men" that we collect. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/26/2015 1:45:24 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: FYI - In the middle of =E2=9CAll about the cards=E2=9D on our library page is a new article: _THE 1960 SET: LEN BROWN'S FIRST BIG JOB AT TOPPS_ (http://oldbaseball.com/refs/Len_Brown_1960_set.pdf) which gets into some of details on the set. This is a follow-up article to a story about Brown=E2=99s career at Topps is also on our library page under Hobby Pioneers, although Len is just a kid of 73. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 18:51:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Such a Deal! From: ChicoD1@aol.com I came across this on ebay. I think I would rather have 4 52s NM or even 24 VGs... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1967-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-150-PSA-10-Gem-Mint-/171657 Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 20:37:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Such a Deal! From: bskp1@aol.com I submitted an offer of $1.00 and it was declined. Do you think he/she would split the difference? ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 02:04:17 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings Subject: An interesting (?) photo From: Patrick Prickett Hi All,As part of my research into the layout of the 1952 Topps set ... I put together this photo which some of you might think is interesting.Photo show three miscut Westlake cards ... and clearly shows that the card was located on three different spots on the sheet. 1) along an edge because no card below; 2) above the Priddy card; and 3) above Fred Marsh.For those not aware ... in the first series ... there were triple printsand double prints. This shows the triple prints pretty clearly.Cheers,Patrick ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 18:12:27 -0800 To: "" , Subject: 52 topps highs Rossi,Abrams and gernert From: Rick I'm down to three commons needed for my topps run 321 Joe black,347Joe adcock and 339 Russ Meyer. Anyone out there willing to swap for one of these ifso I can throw in something else to sweeten the deal. Maybe a three way swap? ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 21:15:10 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] An interesting (?) photo [1 Attachment] From: richard dingman To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 02:04:17 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] An interesting (?) photo [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Patrick Prickett included below] Hi All,As part of my research into the layout of the 1952 Topps set ... I put together this photo which some of you might think is interesting. Photo show three miscut Westlake cards ... and clearly shows that the card was located on three different spots on the sheet. 1) along an edge because no card below; 2) above the Priddy card; and 3) above Fred Marsh. For those not aware ... in the first series ... there were triple prints and double prints. This shows the triple prints pretty clearly. Cheers,Patrick ================= Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 18:51:03 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: An interesting (?) photo From: Mark Macrae Patrick...This is the best 'value' to miscut cards ================= To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 26 Jan 2015 22:51:31 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Giving Up (non sports) Part II From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Thanks to Guru for the 1927 Ogdens "Steeplechase Trainers and Owners Colours", which I did not realize is a different set from my Ogden's Jockeys & Owners Colours: HAVE: 1 3 4 5 21 24 26 30 47. So now I am working on both sets! He sent me 15 his to the set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: larrytipton ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 19, 2015 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Giving Up (non sports) Part II I am quite confused. I thought you labeled this as non-sport. Jockeyscount as sports cards, at least to me. I think the below is the same set as shown on my wantlists (OK, the below is a HAVE, not want list). As if anyone would be surprised that I am collecting these. Mike Rich 26020 Radclift Pl Oak Park, MI 48237 Ogden's Jockeys & Owners Colours: HAVE: 1 3 4 5 21 24 26 30 47 -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 18, 2015 9:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Giving Up (non sports) Part II 1927 Ogdens "Steeplechase Trainers and Owners Colours" 50 card set I have 21 diff plus 4 duplicates. Cards show a picture of the trainer and a picture of the colors the jockeywears. Anybody need or want these? ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 03:21:22 -0500 To: bskp1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Such a Deal! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I'll toss in another buck LOL Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/26/2015 8:37:36 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I submitted an offer of $1.00 and it was declined. Do you think he/she would split the difference? ================= To: Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 08:42:19 -0800 Subject: Re: An interesting (?) photo From: "George Vrechek" Thanks for sharing the 1952 Topps Westlake setup. Based on my assumptions I had Westlake along the edge and next to Priddy (#28). (two of your cards) I didn't have him next to Marsh (#8). This changes what I had assumed were double versus triple prints. Patrick, please look at the attached spreadsheet. The gray numbers indicate a sheet was found with this configuration. However I erroneously must have assumed that one sheet was re-used as-is, but it apparently wasn't. If you have other miscuts that match the "revised theory", let me know. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 12:36:00 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: non sports 1959 Fleer Indians From: Larry Tipton Does anyone have these on their want list? I picked up a pile of off grade cards. 80 card set. I could send out a starter set too. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Jan 2015 20:51:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Finding cards that you forgot you had... From: ChicoD1@aol.com I remember a thread on here not to long ago about finding cards that mysteriously disappeared. I had my own incident today. I have a wall unit in my "man cave" that houses some sets I'm working on, UV Mets and the such. I decided I needed some more card room, so I attacked one of the cubbies in the wall unit and found a box with envelopes and cards. I would usually put cards that either, I wasn't ready to work on, or cards of sets I probably wouldn't work on. Prior to this, during the week I remembered having a few milk dude full boxes that for the life of me I couldn't find. Well lo and behold, I found a treasure trove of memories. I found a few Fitak packs in there (which included some Mets I am now collecting and some Marx brothers cards), something from the second lady of OBC, Sassy Stoneweiss. I came across some other UV Mets from names like Rick Redpath, Doug Dejong, and a bunch of other OBC names past and present. Well as I opened one envelope, I discovered 3 mintly flattened Milk Duds of Stottlemyre, White and HOMer Bud Harrelson! These came from Don Ghere Oct 6, 1994. Time to do some self inflicted damage to the Mets and Bud Harrelson sets! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 PS- I think I need to add to my goals "Get more organized with stuff you already have"... ================= To: =?utf-8?B?b2Jj?= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 03:39:02 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Finding cards that you forgot you had... From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 08:33:42 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Raleigh Card Show (this) Fri Sat Sun From: Larry Tipton Looks like an OBC meet-up this Saturday in Raleigh NC! In attendance: Anthony Arbeeny Mark Holland Bob Neill Taylor Schock Larry Tipton Mac Wubben OBC TV will NOT be broadcasting. OBC dinner after the show on Saturday. OBC Certified Dealers in attendance: Larrie Deen Chandy Greenholt Kurt Turdot Jack Zerby Guru has a "crash pad" available (sofa bed at "Springhill Suites") if anyone else wants to drive in! Reports WILL follow! ================= Date: 28 Jan 2015 12:13:13 -0800 To: Subject: Strongsville (OH) show this Sunday from 10-4 From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 28 Jan 2015 17:50:59 -0800 To: Subject: 28 days in, and I've accomplished 2 goals! From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 21:45:38 -0500 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show (this) Fri Sat Sun From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Can any of you check to see if Larrie still has the 67 Seaver that PSA wouldn't grade because it was "miscut and how much he is looking for it? Hehad it at the National... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/28/2015 8:33:48 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Looks like an OBC meet-up this Saturday in Raleigh NC! In attendance: Anthony Arbeeny Mark Holland Bob Neill Taylor Schock Larry Tipton Mac Wubben OBC TV will NOT be broadcasting. OBC dinner after the show on Saturday. OBC Certified Dealers in attendance: Larrie Deen Chandy Greenholt Kurt Turdot Jack Zerby Guru has a "crash pad" available (sofa bed at "Springhill Suites") if anyone else wants to drive in! Reports WILL follow! ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:12:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1966 Card Back Color From: ChicoD1@aol.com I got my Palmer and Maris in the mail and I also grabbed a Wilhelm (#510) from a guy on Ebay. When I looked to see if it was an upgrade, I noticed that the one was noticeably white white as opposed to a cream white. After reading George's article about how different manufacturers used different paper for Topps from an older year, I was wondering if there was some correlation. I know the cards are almost 50 years old, but most are of the cream white. I haven't looked yet, but I don't know if any dupes I have of the same cards look different on the back. I tried to take a picture,but it didn't work out too well. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "''" Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:13:37 -0800 Subject: Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad saga.......... From: "Grant Rainsley" Daughter Kate and her beau just bought a townhouse in Port Moody, about 20 miles east of Vancouver............they wanted us to come down for a look and a visit, which is a trek involving two ferry rides and a total of about 6 hours driving. But we did, headed down last Sunday. Jenny and I split up the driving, she was at the helm for the last leg, and I had the map in my lap, navigating. I said "Next left and park, we are there." It was a red light.......Jenny glanced over at me and pronounced that my jaw was on the floor. It likely was, since I had caught sight of a store sign right across the street from the townhouse........called Great Canadian Sportscards!! It was about 4:45........before we even went to Kate's, I dashed across the street.........it was still open, but closes at 5. No problem, thinks I, but if it is a good shop, I'll need more than 10-15 minutes, so it got put on the agenda for the next afternoon, after we toured the local lakes, saw the sights, etc. Kate's beau is a local boy, said he hadn't been in there for at least 15 years, and would be happy to go with me. (He was caught up in the '80's-early 90's craze). So at 3 pm Monday our "Boy's Time" was booked with the girls.......could be 5 minutes, could be 3 hours. They were good with that, they both understand. So on to Monday............3 pm rolls around.......the boys head across the street............here's the report........the glare was overwhelming, almost blinding.......and all hockey.............not one baseball card in sight in the 30 or so glass cases. I understand though, this is Canada, and hockey is KING with those that don't know any better. I picked up on the fact that there was a back room, very dark, with tons of card boxes stacked floor to ceiling.......and off in one corner of that room I saw an older than me fella and the glow of a computer screen. Turns out his wife was working the counter......as I was walking around feeling quite discouraged, she asked if there was anything she could help me with. I simply said.....just wondering if you might happen to have any vintage baseball? Well, she looked at me like I had just gotten off a spaceship........and said "Are you KIDDING me?" My heart at that point took a bit of a leap.........upwards! Then she followed up saying "we haven't had anybody in this shop ask for vintage baseball for at least 6 months, maybe closer to a year...........it's all hockey here. And two of you in one day?" She continued on.........a guy came in this morning and asked the same question..........and my husband sold him a 5,000 count box of '50's and '60's of everything.......his childhood collection............and I think he sold it way too cheap, because he had no other way of moving it, and our store is likely going to close in the near future. No, I didn't ask how much, or what was in that 5,000 count box, whether it had been cherry-picked or not...........it was irrelevant at that point. Glad the girls weren't there, to watch a grown man cry. Lesson learned: Baseball cards are like life..............timing is ================= Date: 28 Jan 2015 20:17:03 -0800 To: Subject: !969 Topps 4 in 1 football Waiver From: tvalacak@comcast.net ================= Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:17:24 -0500 To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad saga.......... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en My heart sunk along with you as I was reading that :-( Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/28/2015 11:13:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Daughter Kate and her beau just bought a townhouse in Port Moody, about 20 miles east of Vancouver............they wanted us to come down for a look and a visit, which is a trek involving two ferry rides and a total of about 6 hours driving. But we did, headed down last Sunday. Jenny and I split up the driving, she was at the helm for the last leg, and I had the map in my lap, navigating. I said =E2=9CNext left and park, we are there.=E2=9D It was a red light.......Jenny glanced over at me and pronounced that my jaw was on the floor. It likely was, since I had caught sight of a store sign right across the street from the townhouse........called Great Canadian Sportscards!! It was about 4:45........before we even went to Kate=E2=99s, I dashed across the street.........it was still open, but closes at 5. No problem, thinks I, but if it is a good shop, I=E2=99ll need more than 10-15 minute s, so it got put on the agenda for the next afternoon, after we toured the local lakes, saw the sights, etc. Kate=E2=99s beau is a local boy, said he hadn=E2=99t been in there for at least 15 years, and would be happy to go with me. (He was caught up in the =E280=E2=99s-early 90=E2=99s craze). So at 3 pm Monday our =E2=9CBoy=E2=99s Time=E2=9D was booked with the girls.......could be 5 minutes, could be 3 hours. They were good with that, they both understand. So on to Monday............3 pm rolls around.......the boys head across the street............here=E2=99s the report........the glare was overwhelming, almost blinding.......and all hockey.............not one baseball card in sight in the 30 or so glass cases. I understand though, this is Canada, and hockey is KING with those that don=E2=99t know any better. I picked up on the fact that there was a back room, very dark, with tons of c ard boxes stacked floor to ceiling.......and off in one corner of that room I saw an older than me fella and the glow of a computer screen. Turns out his wife was working the counter......as I was walking around feeling quite discouraged, asked if there was anything she could help me with. I simply said.....just wondering if you might happen to have any vintage baseball? Well, she looked at me like I had just gotten off a spaceship........and said =E2=9CAre KIDDING me?=E2=9D My heart at that point took a bit of a leap.........upwards! Then she followed up saying =E2=9Cwe haven=E2=99t had anybody in this shop ask for vintage baseball for at least 6 months, maybe closer to a year...........it=E2=99 s all hockey here. And two of you in one day?=E2=9D She continued on.........a guy came in this morning and asked the same question..........and my husband sold him a 5,000 count box of =E250=E2=99s and & #8216;60=E2=99s everything.......his childhood collection............and I think he sold it way too cheap, because he had no other way of moving it, and our store is likely going to close in the near future. No, I didn=E2=99t ask how much, or what was in 5,000 count box, whether it had been cherry-picked or not...........it was irrelevant at that point. Glad the girls weren=E2=99t there, to watch agrown man cry. Lesson learned: Baseball cards are like life..............timing is ================= To: , Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 23:37:13 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad From: Mac Wubben Is swearing allowed on the server...s.h.*.t. I Feel your pain man. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2015 20:13:37 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad saga.......... Daughter Kate and her beau just bought a townhouse in Port Moody, about 20 miles east of Vancouver............they wanted us to come down for a look and a visit, which is a trek involving two ferry rides and a total of about 6 hours driving. But we did, headed down last Sunday. Jenny and I split up the driving, she was at the helm for the last leg, and I had the mapin my lap, navigating. I said =93Next left and park, we are there.=94 It was a red light.......Jenny glanced over at me and pronounced that my jaw was on the floor. It likely was, since I had caught sight of a store sign right across the street from the townhouse........called Great Canadian Sportscards!! It was about 4:45........before we even went to Kate=92s, I dashed across the street.........it was still open, but closes at 5. No problem, thinks I, but if it is a good shop, I=92ll need more than 10-15 minutes, so it got put on the agenda for the next afternoon, after we toured the local lakes, saw the sights, etc. Kate=92s beau is a local boy, said he hadn=92t been in there for at least 15 years, and would be happy to go with me.(He was caught up in the =9180=92s-early 90=92s craze). So at 3 pm Monday our =93Boy=92s Time=94 was booked with the girls.......could be 5 minutes, could be 3 hours. They were good with that, they both understand. So on to Monday............3 pm rolls around.......the boys head across the street............here=92s the report........the glare was overwhelming, almost blinding.......and all hockey.............not one baseball card in sight in the 30 or so glass cases. I understand though, this is Canada, and hockey is KING with those that don=92t know any better. I picked up on the fact that there was a back room, very dark, with tons of card boxes stackedfloor to ceiling.......and off in one corner of that room I saw an older than me fella and the glow of a computer screen. Turns out his wife was working the counter......as I was walking around feeling quite discouraged, she asked if there was anything she could help me with. I simply said.....just wondering if you might happen to have any vintage baseball? Well, shelooked at me like I had just gotten off a spaceship........and said =93Areyou KIDDING me?=94 My heart at that point took a bit of a leap.........upwards! Then she followed up saying =93we haven=92t had anybody in this shop ask for vintage baseball for at least 6 months, maybe closer to a year...........it=92s all hockey here. And two of you in one day?=94 She continued on.........a guy came in this morning and asked the same question..........and my husband sold him a 5,000 count box of =9150=92s and =9160=92s of everything.......his childhood collection............and I think he sold itway too cheap, because he had no other way of moving it, and our store is likely going to close in the near future. No, I didn=92t ask how much, or what was in that 5,000 count box, whether it had been cherry-picked or not...........it was irrelevant at that point. Glad the girls weren=92t there, to watch a grown man cry. Lesson learned: Baseball cards are like life..............timing is everything. Grant ================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:40:40 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad saga.......... From: Doug Uggghhh! I feel for you, but thanks for sharing story and the lessons. Sent from my iPad On Jan 28, 2015, at 11:13 PM, "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Daughter Kate and her beau just bought a townhouse in Port Moody, about 20 miles east of Vancouver............they wanted us to come down for a lookand a visit, which is a trek involving two ferry rides and a total of about 6 hours driving. But we did, headed down last Sunday. Jenny and I split up the driving, she was at the helm for the last leg, and I had the map in my lap, navigating. I said =E2=9CNext left and park, we are there.=E2=9D It was a red light.......Jenny glanced over at me and pronounced that my jaw was on the floor. It likely was, since I had caught sight of a storesign right across the street from the townhouse........called Great Canadian Sportscards!! It was about 4:45........before we even went to Kate=E2=99s, I dashed across the street.........it was still open, but closes at 5. No problem, thinks I, but if it is a good shop, I=E2=99ll need morethan 10-15 minutes, so it got put on the agenda for the next afternoon, after we toured the local lakes, saw the sights, etc. Kate=E2=99s beau isa local boy, said he hadn=E2=99t been in there for at least 15 years, and would be happy to go with me. (He was caught up in the =E280=E2=99s-early 90=E2=99s craze). So at 3 pm Monday our =E2=9CBoy=E2=99s Time=E2=9D was booked with the girls.......could be 5 minutes, could be 3 hours. They were good with that, they both understand. > So on to Monday............3 pm rolls around.......the boys head across the street............here=E2=99s the report........the glare was overwhelming, almost blinding.......and all hockey.............not one baseball card in sight in the 30 or so glass cases. I understand though, this is Canada, and hockey is KING with those that don=E2=99t know any better. I picked up on the fact that there was a back room, very dark, with tons of card boxes stacked floor to ceiling.......and off in one corner of that room I saw an older than me fella and the glow of a computer screen. Turns out his wife was working the counter......as I was walking around feeling quite discouraged, she asked if there was anything she could help me with. I simply said.....just wondering if you might happen to have any vintage baseball? Well, she looked at me like I had just gotten off a spaceship........and said =E2=9CAre you KIDDING me?=E2=9D My heart at that point took abit of a leap.........upwards! Then she followed up saying =E2=9Cwe haven=E2=99t had anybody in this shop ask for vintage baseball for at least 6 months, maybe closer to a year...........it=E2=99s all hockey here. And two of you in one day?=E2=9D She continued on.........a guy came in this morning and asked the same question..........and my husband sold hima 5,000 count box of =E250=E2=99s and =E260=E2=99s of everything.......his childhood collection............and I think he sold it way too cheap, because he had no other way of moving it, and our store is likely going to close in the near future. No, I didn=E2=99t ask how much,or what was in that 5,000 count box, whether it had been cherry-picked or not...........it was irrelevant at that point. Glad the girls weren=E2=99t there, to watch a grown man cry. > Lesson learned: Baseball cards are like life..............timing is everything. > Grant ================= To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 07:54:18 -0800 Subject: Re: Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad saga.......... From: "George Vrechek" The fish that got away.makes a good story though. Our condolences. George Vrechek ================= To: "'Grant Rainsley'" , Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 11:41:49 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad saga.......... From: "Bob Donaldson" Sorry Grant. Did they have any vintage Hockey Cards ? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of 'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2015 11:14 PM To: '' Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Great Canadian Sportscards.........a sad Daughter Kate and her beau just bought a townhouse in Port Moody, about 20 miles east of Vancouver............they wanted us to come down for a look and a visit, which is a trek involving two ferry rides and a total of about 6 hours driving. But we did, headed down last Sunday. Jenny and I split up the driving, she was at the helm for the last leg, and I had the map in my lap, navigating. I said "Next left and park, we are there." It was a red light.......Jenny glanced over at me and pronounced that my jaw was on the floor. It likely was, since I had caught sight of a store sign right across the street from the townhouse........called Great Canadian Sportscards!! It was about 4:45........before we even went to Kate's, I dashed across the street.........it was still open, but closes at 5. No problem, thinks I, but if it is a good shop, I'll need more than 10-15 minutes, so it got put on the agenda for the next afternoon, after we toured the local lakes, saw the sights, etc. Kate's beau is a local boy, said he hadn't been in there for at least 15 years, and would be happy to go with me. (He was caught up in the '80's-early 90's craze). So at 3 pm Monday our "Boy's Time" was booked with the girls.......could be 5 minutes, could be 3 hours. They were good with that, they both understand. So on to Monday............3 pm rolls around.......the boys head across the street............here's the report........the glare was overwhelming, almost blinding.......and all hockey.............not one baseball card in sight in the 30 or so glass cases. I understand though, this is Canada, and hockey is KING with those that don't know any better. I picked up on the fact that there was a back room, very dark, with tons of card boxes stacked floor to ceiling.......and off in one corner of that room I saw an older than me fella and the glow of a computer screen. Turns out his wife was working the counter......as I was walking around feeling quite discouraged, she asked if there was anything she could help me with. I simply said.....just wondering if you might happen to have any vintage baseball? Well, she looked at me like I had just gotten off a spaceship........and said "Are you KIDDING me?" My heart at that point took a bit of a leap.........upwards! Then she followed up saying "we haven't had anybody in this shop ask for vintage baseball for at least 6 months, maybe closer to a year...........it's all hockey here. And two of you in one day?" She continued on.........a guy came in this morning and asked the same question..........and my husband sold him a 5,000 count box of '50's and '60's of everything.......his childhood collection............and I think he sold it way too cheap, because he had no other way of moving it, and our store is likely going to close in the near future. No, I didn't ask how much, or what was in that 5,000 count box, whether it had been cherry-picked or not...........it was irrelevant at that point. Glad the girls weren't there, to watch a grown man cry. Lesson learned: Baseball cards are like life..............timing is No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5645 / Virus Database: 4273/9019 - Release Date: 01/29/15 ================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 14:34:54 -0500 To: obc ramblings Subject: PCL collectors interested in a 1979 team set? From: Matthew Glidden There's a cheap 10-spot of 1979 Hawaii Islanders team sets on eBay right http://www.ebay.com/itm/10-1979-Cramer-Pacific-Coast-League-PCL-Hawaii-Islanders-Athletics-Team-Set-24-/361198863922?ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:3160 I don't need 10 sets, just one #5 type card. Just in case, anyone else want the full teams? ================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 23:24:39 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Anybody trade with Kim Vida From: Received an email from a Kim Vida. From looking at his/her (that name is ambiguous) wantlist, it certainly appears to be an OBC type of collector. Has anyone had any dealings with Kim? ================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 18:55:38 -0500 To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody trade with Kim Vida From: Robert Fitts Yes, I just did a trade with Kim. It went smoothly and Kim was very politeas we negotiated a low-end fair trade. rob fitts On Jan 29, 2015, at 6:24 PM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Received an email from a Kim Vida. From looking at his/her (that name is ambiguous) wantlist, it certainly appears to be an OBC type of collector. Has anyone had any dealings with Kim? > Thanks, > Bob ================= Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 19:52:46 -0500 To: "" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody trade with Kim Vida From: Anthony Yes. Twice and all was good Sent from my iPad > On Jan 29, 2015, at 6:24 PM, rdn56@nc.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Received an email from a Kim Vida. From looking at his/her (that name is ambiguous) wantlist, it certainly appears to be an OBC type of collector. Has anyone had any dealings with Kim? > Thanks, > Bob ================= To: Date: Thu, 29 Jan 2015 21:08:23 -0500 Subject: 1969 Topps 4 in 1 Football From: Hi Everyone: Getting close to completing this set I need the following from the set single cards, please let me know if you can help me, I also have a bunch of extras if you need any please let me know. Thanks for checking Nick Covello 1969 Topps 4 in 1 Football Wantlist: Bears: Concannon, O=E2=99Bradovich, Petitbon, Piccolo Bengals: Brannon, King, Stofa, Wright Bills: Cappadonna, Kemp, McDole, Saimes, Sestak Broncos: Duranko, Mirich Browns: Barnes, Johnson, Nelson Cardinals: Roland Chargers: MacKinnon, Chiefs: Arbanas, Buchanan, Sellers Colts: Unitas Cowboys: Baynham, Howley, Morton, Renfro Dolphins: Buonconti, Keyes, Moreau Eagles: Baker, Lang, Llyod, Ramsey, Scarpati, Snead Falcons: Flatley Forty Niners: Alexander, Davis Giants: Frederickson, Morrison Jets: Snell, Talamini, Turner Lions: Munson, Robinson, Oilers: Rushing Packers: Jeter Patriots: Graham, Whalen Rams: Casey Raiders: Banasazk, Blanda, Dixson, Otto Saints: Parks Vikings: Bowie, Brown, Cox, Martin, Tinglehoff Mini Card Albums: Atlanta, Boston, Buffalo, Chicago, Denver, Houston, Kansas City, Miami, Minnesota, Pittsburgh ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 07:19:30 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: anybody on Blowout cards? From: Robert Fitts Hi Guys I=92ve been trying to join Blowout cards so that I can contact a member there but the process has taken over a week. Is anybody a member there who can help me contact another member? ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 12:08:27 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Anybody trade with Kim Vida From: Greg IPad Yes. Just completed a couple trades with Kim. All went well. Greg Miller Sent from my iPad ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 20:42:13 -0500 Subject: Deans Cards From: richard dingman Below is a thread I just posted on net54, I'd be interested in any feedbackfrom others who can tell me that this is normal or whatever... I have been getting some low grade commons from Deans Cards lately for a project I am working on, and an interesting situation arose. It taught me something new, but maybe many of you already knew this. I really want to know what others think of this since it strikes me as, well, at least, odd. Please forgive me if I am repeating an old topic, but I searched files back2 years and couldn't find a similar thread. Here's what happened: I've been putting cards in my cart and when I reach $100 I pay and get a reduced shipping rate. On my way to my next $100 lot,something happened which you can follow from the verbatim email exchanges below... On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 PM, richard dingman wrote: Starting tonight I had in my cart 35 cards totaling $33.05. I added one card for $0.85 to my cart and now my totals read 36 cards for over $7.6 million! That's a little beyond my budget and my wife will kill me. Can you please correct this?? Richard D From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:28:45 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com Hi Richard! So sorry for the error. I have fixed the problem card in your cart, so youshould be able to place your order. So sorry for the inconvenience. Jennifer Mills Customer Service On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:40 AM, richard dingman wrote: Thanks Jennifer. One thing, I thought I had 35 items for 33.05 and then I bought one card for 0.85, now I have 36 items for 34.80. Something is wrong, did I make a mistake or did you? Richard D From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:06:51 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com One of the cards in your cart may have increased in price. When we have a high quantity of cards in stock the price goes down, but as the quantity goes down the price does increase. Hope this answers your question. Jennifer Mills Customer Service On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, richard dingman wrote: You mean that I can buy a card at a certain price and then after I buy it the price can go up?? That sounds weird. If that's the case, please tell me which card went up and what the originalprice was and what the new price is and I will decide if I want to pay thenew I am not necessarily going to agree to pay any price you decide to raise itto without checking it out first. Thanks much and look forward to this information. From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:38:08 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com Hi Richard, Yes. Our prices are based on our inventory. The more quantity of a card that we have the deeper the discount that you will receive. This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible. As you noticed earlier today we had some pricing issues. We have a software on our website that goes through our million card inventory and reprices all of our cards. It changes the prices of thousands of cards at a time. Because the cards are inyour cart and you have not placed an order, those cards were still in stock and subject to change. I do not know specifically which card in your cart changed. Sorry for any inconvenience, if you have any more questions please let me know. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:15 PM, richard dingman wrote: This is a surprise to me and I imagine might be to many Deans Cards customers, but I don't yet know. To find out, I am going to start a thread on net54 detailing our conversation and see how many people know that you will change the price on cards that people have already put in their cart so that customers will end up paying more for cards than they intended to, and without their knowledge that itis happening, or for what cards it is happening. To be fair, I will copy exactly our conversation thread so that people can see for themselves. Since their are literally thousands of card collectorswho use net54, I am sure I will find out how many people already knew this(maybe I am the last to know), and also, all those who didn't know will then be advised. Since I also belong to several online card trading groups (OBC, VCT, Dugout, etc) I will share the same info with them and get their feedback. They all buy a lot online so I'm sure they will want to know. This way I will help you get the word out about Deans Cards. You can follow the thread yourself to see how it goes. Thanks again for your help. ================= Date: 30 Jan 2015 18:03:00 -0800 To: Subject: Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) From: larrytipton@windstream.net ================= To: "larrytipton@windstream.net" , Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) From: Taylor Schock As Larry mentioned, met up at the Raleigh show today and his handshake was a pair of great '53 Topps with a George Kell and a high number Gene Woodling. I actually might finish this set some day. Thanks Larry, they are MUCH appreciated! The show had a little less dealers than usual, but with 4 OBC dealers, 1 potential OBC dealer, and an obvious OBC dealer type (Alan Sturgis with his %6 BV cards as Larry noted), there was a lot of picking going on. I actuallyfinished a set from Andy's $2 box (an unmentionable, just barely UV Jabbar) and picked up a few others there as well. Will be stopping by to dig through more of his stuff tomorrow. Lucky me today, getting my name drawn for adoor prize of $20 card show bucks, that I proceeded to spend most of at Alan's 6% table on '56 Topps and '55 Bowman FB cards and a few other odds andends. Hey, how can you pass up an Elroy 'Crazy Legs' Hirsch card in decentcondition for less than $2? Picked up a few a Kurt's table, including a $5 '56 Yankees TC bring the '56set down to 3 (of course, 1 is Mantle). Got a few '57 upgrades at Larrie Dean's table, and will look more closely at some prewar there tomorrow. Picked up a stack of unopened Conlon blisters at Chandy's table, but no luck inbusting any autographs out of them. Just before I left I went through Ed Lawson's stuff and picked up about 50 '60s upgrades. Ed doesn't usually havemuch OBC condition stuff, but he's a great guy and his cards start at a reasonable price and he always gives me a good discount on top of it. I'll be back for the start tomorrow and look forward to catching up with Mark, Mac, Ant, and Bob as well as Larry again. May need to cruise the flea market as well for a break, providing it isn't too cold or windy, and hopingour favorite produce guy is there also. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:03:00 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) I am safe and sound in my hotel room after Fridays opening day at the Raleigh show. Hotel is a brand new Springhill Suites (Mariott property) SUPER NICE $79 a night. I haven't driven a long distance road trip in over ten years, so I was anxious for this trip a 6.5 hour drive. Arrive at the show 1/2 hour before the official opening but they were letting customers in early. Called Taylor and he was there in about half an hour. Taylor greeted me with the "OBC HANDSHAKE" two 1911 hits both gold bordered T205 beauties "Yankees" Quinn, and "Pirates" Leever. WOW Thanks Taylor! I bought quite a few cards today. Andys Vintage Sports Cards (Syracuse NY) was set up and he had a good supply of 50s-60s Topps hockey cards and as I am closing in on these sets found several hits. He had his cards priced to sell according to condition, and told me he would sell them to me at half of this price:) Well when it was all over, I had to make a quick trip to my car for the checkbook as I didn't want to use all my cash first thing:) Example 1965 Topps #108 Gordie Howe priced $25 and I got it for 50% of that. 1958 Topps #40 John Bucyk priced at $20 purchase price $10. At least 25 hitsto my short list VERY happy with these. Went back at the end of the show and bought all the Blackhawk cards he had that were cheap for my pal TJ:) Kurt Turdot (and his wife and kids) was there and you can imagine I spent some time digging through his bargain bins. 1948 Bowman football SPs NM these go for $100 "corner clipped" priced $5 I found nine hits! Kurt sold me the last card I needed for my 1964 Philadelphia football set Mike Ditka $5. Kurt also sold me a rare 1962 Post baseball SP #124 Joey Jay with the blue lines around the stats he sold it to me for $20 I think NM it's $300. Also in the bargain box I purchased a 1962 Topps baseball hi number Rookie ParadeJim Bouton Bo Belinsky RC I dont know the number because there are 2 hole punches on the card lol but $5 seemed cheap even though I already have thiscard. Taylor leads me to a guys whose cards are priced 6% of book I buy fourteen 1962 and 1965 Topps hi numbers for less than $1 each '65 Topps Boog Powell in there I have all these already they will find good homes in OBC May have made one mistake for $10 bought what I thought was a T205 Gold Border John "D" Miller on the Bio but I forget The "D" should be the first line in the bio not his name on the back. But looking closer I think this might be a third version where the "B" is kind of messed up? I dont know oh well=85 Some non sport hits too '57 Goofy Postcards, '59 Fleer Spins and Needles, Funny Valentines, others too. Almost forgot picked up a needed 1966 Philadelphia football Gale Sayers RC but this one wasn't $5 lol! Looking forward to meeting uptomorrow with Mac Ant Bob Mark and Taylor again! ================= Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:33:49 -0800 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards From: Geordie Calvert Honestly, the way I interpret their policy is that until you actually checkout and make payment arrangements, the cards in your cart have not been purchased and are fair game for any other buyer. Just because they're in yourcart doesn't mean they have been taken out of the DC inventory. Same wouldapply to any online retailer like Target, Lowe's, etc. COMC has a "we'll hold the cards for you until you're ready for a bulk shipment" policy, but they require you to have enough deposit on account to cover the cards you're wanting them to hold for you. > On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:42 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Below is a thread I just posted on net54, I'd be interested in any feedback from others who can tell me that this is normal or whatever... > I have been getting some low grade commons from Deans Cards lately for a project I am working on, and an interesting situation arose. It taught me something new, but maybe many of you already knew this. I really want to know what others think of this since it strikes me as, well, at least, odd. > Please forgive me if I am repeating an old topic, but I searched files back 2 years and couldn't find a similar thread. > Here's what happened: I've been putting cards in my cart and when I reach $100 I pay and get a reduced shipping rate. On my way to my next $100 lot, something happened which you can follow from the verbatim email exchanges > On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 PM, richard dingman wrote: > Hi, > Starting tonight I had in my cart 35 cards totaling $33.05. > I added one card for $0.85 to my cart and now my totals read 36 cards forover $7.6 million! > That's a little beyond my budget and my wife will kill me. > Can you please correct this?? > Best, > Richard D > brightair > From: orders@deanscards.com > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:28:45 -0500 > Subject: Re: error, please fix > To: brightair@msn.com > Hi Richard! > So sorry for the error. I have fixed the problem card in your cart, so you should be able to place your order. So sorry for the inconvenience. > Thanks, > Jennifer Mills > Customer Service > DeansCards.com > 513-898-0651 > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:40 AM, richard dingman wrote: > Thanks Jennifer. > One thing, I thought I had 35 items for 33.05 and then I bought one card for 0.85, now I have 36 items for 34.80. > Something is wrong, did I make a mistake or did you? > Best, > Richard D > From: orders@deanscards.com > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:06:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: error, please fix > To: brightair@msn.com > Richard, > One of the cards in your cart may have increased in price. When we have a high quantity of cards in stock the price goes down, but as the quantity goes down the price does increase. Hope this answers your question. > Thanks, > Jennifer Mills > Customer Service > DeansCards.com > 513-898-0651 > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, richard dingman wrote: > You mean that I can buy a card at a certain price and then after I buy itthe price can go up?? > That sounds weird. > If that's the case, please tell me which card went up and what the original price was and what the new price is and I will decide if I want to pay the new price. > I am not necessarily going to agree to pay any price you decide to raise it to without checking it out first. > Thanks much and look forward to this information. > Richard > From: orders@deanscards.com > Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:38:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: error, please fix > To: brightair@msn.com > Hi Richard, > Yes. Our prices are based on our inventory. The more quantity of a cardthat we have the deeper the discount that you will receive. This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible. As you noticed earliertoday we had some pricing issues. We have a software on our website that goes through our million card inventory and reprices all of our cards. It changes the prices of thousands of cards at a time. Because the cards are in your cart and you have not placed an order, those cards were still in stock and subject to change. I do not know specifically which card in your cart changed. Sorry for any inconvenience, if you have any more questions please let me know. > On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:15 PM, richard dingman wrote: > Jennifer, > Wonderful. > This is a surprise to me and I imagine might be to many Deans Cards customers, but I don't yet know. > To find out, I am going to start a thread on net54 detailing our conversation and see how many people know that you will change the price on cards that people have already put in their cart so that customers will end up paying more for cards than they intended to, and without their knowledge that it is happening, or for what cards it is happening. > To be fair, I will copy exactly our conversation thread so that people can see for themselves. Since their are literally thousands of card collectors who use net54, I am sure I will find out how many people already knew this (maybe I am the last to know), and also, all those who didn't know will then be advised. > Since I also belong to several online card trading groups (OBC, VCT, Dugout, etc) I will share the same info with them and get their feedback. Theyall buy a lot online so I'm sure they will want to know. > This way I will help you get the word out about Deans Cards. You can follow the thread yourself to see how it goes. > Thanks again for your help. > Richard > . ================= To: Geordie Calvert Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 23:56:18 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards From: richard dingman I hear you on that, but to increase the price on you without warning or even notifying you, and then not being able to even tell you what went up in price??? I wonder how many people have paid more than they bargained for without even knowing it. I would be curious to know how often they LOWER the price on something in your Not right in my book, but then again, I go by an old book. Richard D CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: brightair@msn.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:33:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards Honestly, the way I interpret their policy is that until you actuallycheck out and make payment arrangements, the cards in your cart have not been purchased and are fair game for any other buyer. Just because they're in your cart doesn't mean they have been taken out of the DC inventory. Samewould apply to any online retailer like Target, Lowe's, etc. COMC has a "we'll hold the cards for you until you're ready for a bulk shipment" policy, but they require you to have enough deposit on account to cover the cards you're wanting them to hold for you. On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:42 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Below is a thread I just posted on net54, I'd be interested in any feedbackfrom others who can tell me that this is normal or whatever... I have been getting some low grade commons from Deans Cards lately for a project I am working on, and an interesting situation arose. It taught me something new, but maybe many of you already knew this. I really want to know what others think of this since it strikes me as, well, at least, odd. Please forgive me if I am repeating an old topic, but I searched files back2 years and couldn't find a similar thread. Here's what happened: I've been putting cards in my cart and when I reach $100 I pay and get a reduced shipping rate. On my way to my next $100 lot,something happened which you can follow from the verbatim email exchanges below... On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 PM, richard dingman wrote: Starting tonight I had in my cart 35 cards totaling $33.05. I added one card for $0.85 to my cart and now my totals read 36 cards for over $7.6 million! That's a little beyond my budget and my wife will kill me. Can you please correct this?? Richard D From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:28:45 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com Hi Richard! So sorry for the error. I have fixed the problem card in your cart, so youshould be able to place your order. So sorry for the inconvenience. Jennifer Mills Customer Service On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:40 AM, richard dingman wrote: Thanks Jennifer. One thing, I thought I had 35 items for 33.05 and then I bought one card for 0.85, now I have 36 items for 34.80. Something is wrong, did I make a mistake or did you? Richard D From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:06:51 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com One of the cards in your cart may have increased in price. When we have a high quantity of cards in stock the price goes down, but as the quantity goes down the price does increase. Hope this answers your question. Jennifer Mills Customer Service On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, richard dingman wrote: You mean that I can buy a card at a certain price and then after I buy it the price can go up?? That sounds weird. If that's the case, please tell me which card went up and what the originalprice was and what the new price is and I will decide if I want to pay thenew I am not necessarily going to agree to pay any price you decide to raise itto without checking it out first. Thanks much and look forward to this information. From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:38:08 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com Hi Richard, Yes. Our prices are based on our inventory. The more quantity of a card that we have the deeper the discount that you will receive. This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible. As you noticed earlier today we had some pricing issues. We have a software on our website that goes through our million card inventory and reprices all of our cards. It changes the prices of thousands of cards at a time. Because the cards are inyour cart and you have not placed an order, those cards were still in stock and subject to change. I do not know specifically which card in your cart changed. Sorry for any inconvenience, if you have any more questions please let me know. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:15 PM, richard dingman wrote: This is a surprise to me and I imagine might be to many Deans Cards customers, but I don't yet know. To find out, I am going to start a thread on net54 detailing our conversation and see how many people know that you will change the price on cards that people have already put in their cart so that customers will end up paying more for cards than they intended to, and without their knowledge that itis happening, or for what cards it is happening. To be fair, I will copy exactly our conversation thread so that people can see for themselves. Since their are literally thousands of card collectorswho use net54, I am sure I will find out how many people already knew this(maybe I am the last to know), and also, all those who didn't know will then be advised. Since I also belong to several online card trading groups (OBC, VCT, Dugout, etc) I will share the same info with them and get their feedback. They all buy a lot online so I'm sure they will want to know. This way I will help you get the word out about Deans Cards. You can follow the thread yourself to see how it goes. Thanks again for your help. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 01:36:14 -0500 To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, larrytipton@windstream.net, Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Hey guys, Wish I was there hitting the bargain bins with you. Did either of you see anybody with OPC cards? If you could do a little bird dogging, I'd appreciate it. If anyone finds me a stupid priced 68 Ryan, I'll be foreverindebted. OPC Mets =E2=93 12/12/14 Need 24 1968- 177 (Ryan),191 (Frisella) 1971- 573 (Kranepool),596 (Jorgensen),641 (Team),648 (Rookies), 687 (Taylor),751 (Weis) 1972- 347 (Seaver Boyhood), 445 (Seaver),446 (Seaver IA), 518 (Garrett) 1973- 1 (All Time HR) 1974- 99 (Theodore), 80 (Seaver), 207 (K Ldrs), 265 (McGraw), 473 (WS 2), 476 (WS 5), 479 (WS Celebration),608 (Apodaca),629 (Staub) 1975- 370 (Seaver), 421 (Team) Kurt might also have a few variations I'm looking for (I'd like to keep these under 10 bucks each): 1956 Topps- 95- Braves Team with date 100- Orioles Team with date 1958 Topps- 20- McDougald (Yellow Name) 79- Williams (Yellow Team) 1959 Topps 336- Loes- No Trade Statement 362- Nichols- No Option Statement 1960 Topps 391- W.S. Summary (Gray Back) 400- Colavito (Gray Back) 420- Matthews (Gray Back) 421- Maas (Gray Back) 1966 Topps 104- Johnson (No Trade Statement) Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 1/30/2015 9:32:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: As Larry mentioned, met up at the Raleigh show today and his handshake was a pair of great '53 Topps with a George Kell and a high number Gene Woodling. I actually might finish this set some day. Thanks Larry, they are The show had a little less dealers than usual, but with 4 OBC dealers, 1 potential OBC dealer, and an obvious OBC dealer type (Alan Sturgis with his %6 BV cards as Larry noted), there was a lot of picking going on. I actually finished a set from Andy's $2 box (an unmentionable, just barely UV Jabbar) and picked up a few others there as well. Will be stopping by to dig through more of his stuff tomorrow. Lucky me today, getting my name drawn for a door prize of $20 card show bucks, that I proceeded to spend most of at Alan's 6% table on '56 Topps and '55 Bowman FB cards and a few other odds and ends. Hey, how can you pass up an Elroy 'Crazy Legs' Hirsch card in decent condition for less than $2? Picked up a few a Kurt's table, including a $5 '56 Yankees TC bring the '56 set down to 3 (of course, 1 is Mantle). Got a few '57 upgrades at Larrie Dean's table, and will look more closely at some prewar there tomorrow. Picked up a stack of unopened Conlon blisters at Chandy's table, but no luck in busting any autographs out of them. Just before I left I went through Ed Lawson's stuff and picked up about 50 '60s upgrades. Ed doesn't usually have much OBC condition stuff, but he's a great guy and his cards start ata reasonable price and he always gives me a good discount on top of it. I'll be back for the start tomorrow and look forward to catching up with Mark, Mac, Ant, and Bob as well as Larry again. May need to cruise the flea market as well for a break, providing it isn't too cold or windy, and hoping our favorite produce guy is there also. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:03:00 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) I am safe and sound in my hotel room after Fridays opening day at the Raleigh show. Hotel is a brand new Springhill Suites (Mariott property) SUPER NICE $79 a night. I haven't driven a long distance road trip in over ten years, so I was anxious for this trip a 6.5 hour drive. Arrive at the show 1/2 hour beforethe official opening but they were letting customers in early. Called Taylor and he was there in about half an hour. Taylor greeted me with the "OBC HANDSHAKE" two 1911 hits both gold bordered T205 beauties "Yankees" Quinn,and "Pirates" Leever. WOW Thanks Taylor! I bought quite a few cards today. Andys Vintage Sports Cards (Syracuse NY) was set up and he had a good supply of 50s-60s Topps hockey cards and as I am closing in on these sets found several hits. He had his cards priced to sell according to condition, and told me he would sell them to me at half of this price:) Well when it was all over, I had to make a quick trip to my car for the checkbook as I didn't want to use all my cash first thing:) Example 1965 Topps #108 Gordie Howe priced $25 and I got it for 50% of that. 1958 Topps #40 John Bucyk priced at $20 purchase price $10. At least 25 hits to my short list VERY happy with these. Went back at the end of the show and bought all the Blackhawk cards he had that were cheap for my pal TJ:) Kurt Turdot (and his wife and kids) was there and you can imagine I spent some time digging through his bargain bins. 1948 Bowman football SPs NM these go for $100 "corner clipped" priced $5 I found nine hits! Kurt sold me the last card I needed for my 1964 Philadelphia football set Mike Ditka $5. Kurt also sold me a rare 1962 Post baseball SP #124 Joey Jay with the blue lines around the stats he sold it to me for $20 I think NM it's $300. Also in the bargain box I purchased a 1962 Topps baseball hi number Rookie Parade Jim Bouton Bo Belinsky RC I dont know the number because there are 2 punches on the card lol but $5 seemed cheap even though I already have this card. Taylor leads me to a guys whose cards are priced 6% of book I buy fourteen 1962 and 1965 Topps hi numbers for less than $1 each '65 Topps Boog Powell in there I have all these already they will find good homes in OBC May have made one mistake for $10 bought what I thought was a T205 Gold Border John "D" Miller on the Bio but I forget The "D" should be the first line in the bio not his name on the back. But looking closer I think this might be a third version where the "B" is kind of messed up? I dont know oh Some non sport hits too '57 Goofy Postcards, '59 Fleer Spins and Needles, Funny Valentines, others too. Almost forgot picked up a needed 1966 Philadelphia football Gale Sayers RC but this one wasn't $5 lol! Looking forward to meeting uptomorrow with Mac Ant Bob Mark and Taylor ================= To: brightair@msn.com, dodgergeo@comcast.net Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:23:37 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Very interesting. I wonder if it has anything to do with the delay due to the pricing error on the 1 card. How long can you have cards sitting in your cart, before you finally check out? At some point they should be able to raise the price, but I am with you, that you need to be notified, as thatis not what you put in your cart. If they stated the card is no longer available ant that price and therefore was eliminated from your cart, that would also be a problem. You may have really wanted that card to finish a set and a relatively minor increase would have no affect on your decision tobuy it. If they removed it from the cart and put it back in inventory dueto the price increase and someone else then grabbed it, I would be even more furious. So my conclusion is both sides have a point and this is a problem of a 24 hour access due to the internet. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Geordie Calvert Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Jan 30, 2015 11:56 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards I hear you on that, but to increase the price on you without warning or even notifying you, and then not being able to even tell you what went up in price??? I wonder how many people have paid more than they bargained for without even knowing it. I would be curious to know how often they LOWER the price on something in your Not right in my book, but then again, I go by an old book. Richard D CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: brightair@msn.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:33:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards Honestly, the way I interpret their policy is that until you actually checkout and make payment arrangements, the cards in your cart have not been purchased and are fair game for any other buyer. Just because they're in yourcart doesn't mean they have been taken out of the DC inventory. Same wouldapply to any online retailer like Target, Lowe's, etc. COMC has a "we'll hold the cards for you until you're ready for a bulk shipment" policy, but they require you to have enough deposit on account to cover the cards you're wanting them to hold for you. On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:42 PM, richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Below is a thread I just posted on net54, I'd be interested in any feedbackfrom others who can tell me that this is normal or whatever... I have been getting some low grade commons from Deans Cards lately for a project I am working on, and an interesting situation arose. It taught me something new, but maybe many of you already knew this. I really want to know what others think of this since it strikes me as, well, at least, odd. Please forgive me if I am repeating an old topic, but I searched files back2 years and couldn't find a similar thread. Here's what happened: I've been putting cards in my cart and when I reach $100 I pay and get a reduced shipping rate. On my way to my next $100 lot,something happened which you can follow from the verbatim email exchanges below... On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 PM, richard dingman wrote: Thanks Jennif er. One thing, I thought I had 35 items for 33.05 and then I bought one card for 0.85, now I have 36 items for 34.80. Something is wrong, did I make a mistake or did you? Richard D From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:06:51 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com One of the cards in your cart may have increased in price. When we have a high quantity of cards in stock the price goes down, but as the quantity goes down the price does increase. Hope this answers your question. Jennifer Mills Customer Service On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, richard dingman wrote: You mean that I can buy a card at a certain price and then after I buy it the price can go up?? That sounds weird. If that's the case, please tell me which card went up and what the originalprice was and what the new price is and I will decide if I want to pay thenew I am not necessarily going to agree to pay any price you decide to raise itto without checking it out first. Thanks much and look forward to this information. From: orders@deanscards.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:38:08 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: brightair@msn.com Hi Richard, Yes. Our prices are based on our inventory. The more quantity of a card that we have the deeper the discount that you will receive. This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible. As you noticed earlier today we had some pricing issues. We have a software on our website that goes through our million card inventory and reprices all of our cards. It changes the prices of thousands of cards at a time. Because the cards are in your cart and you have not placed an order, those cards were still in stock and subject to change. I do not know specifically which card in your cart changed. Sorry for any inconvenience, if you have any more questions please let me know. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:15 PM, richard dingman wrote: This is a surprise to me and I imagine might be to many Deans Cards customers, but I don't yet know. To find out, I am going to start a thread on net54 detailing our conversation and see how many people know that you will change the price on cards that people have already put in their cart so that customers will end up paying more for cards than they intended to, and without their knowledge that itis happening, or for what cards it is happening. To be fair, I will copy exactly our conversation thread so that people can see for themselves. Since their are literally thousands of card collectorswho use net54, I am sure I will find out how many people already knew this(maybe I am the last to know), and also, all those who didn't know will then be advised. Since I also belong to several online card trading groups (OBC, VCT, Dugout, etc) I will share the same info with them and get their feedback. They all buy a lot online so I'm sure they will want to know. This way I will help you get the word out about Deans Cards. You can follow the thread yourself to see how it goes. Thanks again for your help. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 06:36:01 -0500 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, brightair@msn.com, dodgergeo@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en I've never bought from Dean's cards. Someone told me their prices are higher than market. It seems they are committed to a software that constantly changes their prices, so I don't think you're going to get them to change that. But, their site should prominently display a notice next to "Add to Cart", warning that prices are subject to change after adding to your cart but before checkout. They should also say somewhere how long a card can sit in your cart before being removed. Anyway, I would certainly want to know about their practice in advance, and not find out about it the way you did. In a message dated 01/31/2015 6:23:47 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Very interesting. I wonder if it has anything to do with the delay due to the pricing error on the 1 card. How long can you have cards sitting in your cart, before you finally check out? At some point they should be able to raise the price, but I am with you, that you need to be notified, as that is not what you put in your cart. If they stated the card is no longer available ant that price and therefore was eliminated from your cart, that would also be a problem. You may have really wanted that card to finish a set and a relatively minor increase would have no affect on your decision to buy it. If they removed it from the cart and put it back in inventory due to the price increase and someone else then grabbed it, I would be even more furious. So my conclusion is both sides have a point and this is a problem of a 24 hour access due to the inte rnet. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: Geordie Calvert Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Jan 30, 2015 11:56 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards I hear you on that, but to increase the price on you without warning or even notifying you, and then not being able to even tell you what went up in I wonder how many people have paid more than they bargained for without even knowing it. I would be curious to know how often they LOWER the price on something in your cart. Not right in my book, but then again, I go by an old book. Richard D CC: _obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com) To: _brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) From: _OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 19:33:49 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Deans Cards Honestly, the way I interpret their policy is that until you actually check out and make payment arrangements, the cards in your cart have not been purchased and are fair game for any other buyer. Just because they're in your cart doesn't mean they have been taken out of the DC inventory. Same would apply to any online retailer like Target, Lowe's, etc. COMC has a "we'll hold the cards for you until you're ready for a bulk shipment" policy, but they require you to have enough deposit on account to cover the cards you're wanting them to hold for you. On Jan 30, 2015, at 5:42 PM, richard dingman _brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Below is a thread I just posted on net54, I'd be interested in any feedback from others who can tell me that this is normal or whatever... I have been getting some low grade commons from Deans Cards lately for a project I am working on, and an interesting situation arose. It taught me something new, but maybe many of you already knew this. I really want to know what others think of this since it strikes me as, well, at least, odd. Please forgive me if I am repeating an old topic, but I searched files back 2 years and couldn't find a similar thread. Here's what happened: I've been putting cards in my cart and when I reach $100 I pay and get a reduced shipping rate. On my way to my next $100 lot, something happened which you can follow from the verbatim email exchanges On Thu, Jan 29, 2015 at 10:42 PM, richard dingman <_brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) & gt; wrote: Starting tonight I had in my cart 35 cards totaling $33.05. I added one card for $0.85 to my cart and now my totals read 36 cards for over $7.6 million! That's a little beyond my budget and my wife will kill me. Can you please correct this?? Richard D From: _orders@deanscards.com_ (mailto:orders@deanscards.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 08:28:45 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: _brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) Hi Richard! So sorry for the error. I have fixed the problem card in your cart, so you should be able to place your order. So sorry for the inconvenience. Jennifer Mills Customer Service _DeansCards.com_ (http://deanscards.com/) On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 9:40 AM, richard dingman <_brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) > wrote: Thanks Jennif er. One thing, I thought I had 35 items for 33.05 and then I bought one card for 0.85, now I have 36 items for 34.80. Something is wrong, did I make a mistake or did you? Richard D From: _orders@deanscards.com_ (mailto:orders@deanscards.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 11:06:51 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: _brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) One of the cards in your cart may have increased in price. When we have a high quantity of cards in stock the price goes down, but as the quantity goes down the price does increase. Hope this answers your question. Jennifer Mills Customer Service _DeansCards.com_ (http://deanscards.com/) On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 1:23 PM, richard dingman <_brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) > wrote: You mean that I can buy a card at a certain price and then after I buy it the price can go up?? That sounds weird. If that's the case, please tell me which card went up and what the original price was and what the new price is and I will decide if I want to the new price. I am not necessarily going to agree to pay any price you decide to raise it to without checking it out first. Thanks much and look forward to this information. From: _orders@deanscards.com_ (mailto:orders@deanscards.com) Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 14:38:08 -0500 Subject: Re: error, please fix To: _brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) Hi Richard, Yes. Our prices are based on our inventory. The more quantity of a card that we have the deeper the discount that you will receive. This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible. As you noticed earlier today we had some pricing issues. We have a software on our website that goes through our million card inventory and reprices all of our cards. It changes the prices of thousands of cards at a time. Because the cards are in your cart and you have not placed an order, those cards were still in stock and subject to change. I do not know specifically which card in your cart changed. Sorry for any inconvenience, if you have any more questions please let me know. On Fri, Jan 30, 2015 at 8:15 PM, richard dingman <_brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) > wrote: This is a surprise to me and I imagine might be to many Deans Cards customers, but I don't yet know. To find out, I am going to start a thread on net54 detailing our conversation and see how many people know that you will change the price on that people have already put in their cart so that customers will end up paying more for cards than they intended to, and without their knowledge that it is happening, or for what cards it is happening. To be fair, I will copy exactly our conversation thread so that people can see for themselves. Since their are literally thousands of card collectors who use net54, I am sure I will find out how many people already this (maybe I am the last to know), and also, all those who didn't know will then be advised. Since I also belong to several online card trading groups (OBC, VCT, Dugout, etc) I will share the same info with them and get their feedback. They all buy a lot online so I'm sure they will want to know. This way I will help you get the word out about Deans Cards. You can follow the thread yourself to see how it goes. Thanks again for your help. ================= Date: 31 Jan 2015 08:31:51 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Deans Cards From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= To: , Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:07:28 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Deans Cards From: "Matt Yudt" 5. (or #1) Don't waste your time with Dean's Cards. I bought from them about 7 or 8 years ago when I first got back in to collecting. Looking back on it I wasted soooo much money trying to complete those late 70's sets buying singles from them. But I hadn't collected since 1983 and didn't know better and was having fun rekindling those collecting Since then, Dean's Cards has really confused me with pricing - especially on ebay, when seemingly random cards can be posted at several times - like 10 or 20 X - their value. I was looking for an example and then came across this on their website. In NM condition, the 1979 TCMA 'stars of the FIfites' set is listed at $27.50 value in SCD. Here is Dean's Cards with a listing that is 327 times the book value. Bizarre. I wonder if offered $900 they would take it? http://www.deanscards.com/p/250228/1979-TCMA-50-s-Complete-Set Matt Yudt PS Just for fun I added it to my cart to see what will happen. PSS - I WILL pay 1.5X of book if anyone has one to sell. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2015 11:32 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Deans Cards "Hey, that's a nice Yaz. How much you want for it?" --- "Five bucks." "Okay, sure. Now could I take a look at..." --- "Six bucks." "Uhh, no. I agreed to five." --- "But now that you're buying it, I don't have as many, so it's worth "But we agreed to five." --- "Well, would you have paid six for it if that was the original price?" "To tell you the truth, I would have paid ten, but we agreed to five." --- "Well, I'll be fair. Six bucks and it's yours." "I no longer want to buy cards from you at all." --- "How about five-fifty?" "I'm walking away now." 1. Putting it in my cart, I've agreed to the price when I clicked. Change it, even just a little bit, and we've got a problem. 2. Don't blame the software, or use it as an excuse for things you wouldn't or shouldn't do. If it's written wrong, it's your responsibility to bring it in line with fair business practices or you'll lose customers. 3. Again, fix the software. Make un-purchased carts expire within a certain time frame, or prominently display throughout the checkout process that some items may have changed price since you clicked. And then make darn sure the customer can easily SEE those changes and decide. Or better yet, keep the prices the same as what I agreed to. 4. The wording of Jennifer's responses was quite sly, but we oughtta be smart enough to see through that. I see several bits throughout the conversation which would have made me quite angry, had I been in Richard's shoes. I point you to this sentence in particular. "This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible." It sounds good and all, but it's not true. What the software is designed to do is move inventory and make the company money. Nothing wrong with that, in theory; see #2. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 14:02:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Raleigh 2015 From: Larry Tipton ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 11:32:13 -0800 To: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Deans Cards From: Rick I see that the 'cart' and changing the price are two different issues but couple things come to mind. How long are you leaving them in the cart beforeyou pay? A cart is no more than a watch list on eBay all sites I have looked at and used their cart they make it clear until paid for they are available to be bought by someone else. I have put items in people's cart with nointention of buying them just to to keep them in one place so I don't haveto look them up again. I go back a month later to see if they are still inthe cart and see if there is new inventory to add to the cart. At some point there is enough stuff in there I want to buy the items or if I want to spend a certain amount of money I drop items to get down to the desired amount. Most times there is stuff missing out of my cart witch is fine that just means someone was willing to pay for it before I was. I think comc and/ or clean sweeps come to mind that I have seen that cards have gone up in price in my cart. All that to say I disagree with that just because you put a card in your cart you haven't agreed to purchase that card for that price you have only agreed to buy that card for that price when you pay for it. I would be shocked if you put cards in your cart and you took 1/2 hour to look thru the inventory and said that's all I want and then the prices were changed before you could pay. If you had ten cards of two different cards for $1 and you didn't sell any of one you would probably leave it a 1$ or at some point lower it. If you sold five of the other card you would say the demand/ price is not what you were thinking so business says raise the price on the other five. That's what you computer program is doing. They are allowing the public dictate the supply and demand that's business if my memory from my economics class correct. To address the original question I don't see that putting cards in your cart as the cause of the price change it would be the actual purchases of the same card by other people that caused the increase. So if cards are going up while they are in your cart I would have to say you have left them in there for a given length of time to allow other people effect your price. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 31, 2015, at 8:31 AM, uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] > "Hey, that's a nice Yaz. How much you want for it?" > --- "Five bucks." > "Okay, sure. Now could I take a look at..." > --- "Six bucks." > "Uhh, no. I agreed to five." > --- "But now that you're buying it, I don't have as many, so it's worth more." > "But we agreed to five." > --- "Well, would you have paid six for it if that was the original price?" > "To tell you the truth, I would have paid ten, but we agreed to five." > --- "Well, I'll be fair. Six bucks and it's yours." > "I no longer want to buy cards from you at all." > --- "How about five-fifty?" > "I'm walking away now." > 1. Putting it in my cart, I've agreed to the price when I clicked. Changeit, even just a little bit, and we've got a problem. > 2. Don't blame the software, or use it as an excuse for things you wouldn't or shouldn't do. If it's written wrong, it's your responsibility to bring it in line with fair business practices or you'll lose customers. > 3. Again, fix the software. Make un-purchased carts expire within a certain time frame, or prominently display throughout the checkout process that some items may have changed price since you clicked. And then make darn sure the customer can easily SEE those changes and decide. Or better yet, keepthe prices the same as what I agreed to. > 4. The wording of Jennifer's responses was quite sly, but we oughtta be smart enough to see through that. I see several bits throughout the conversation which would have made me quite angry, had I been in Richard's shoes. Ipoint you to this sentence in particular. "This is to ensure that our customers get the best price possible." It sounds good and all, but it's not true. What the software is designed to do is move inventory and make the company money. Nothing wrong with that, in theory; see #2. > Aaron ================= Date: 31 Jan 2015 12:41:29 -0800 To: Subject: P2 Sweet Caporal Pins- what can you guys tell me about them? From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 15:46:48 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Gremlins and availables From: Doug There must be some science behind the existence of the gremlins, but I cannot postulate a guess on this one. I have been down to single digits on the54 Bowmans for a while and triple checked the binder this morning to find two additional commons needed. So I am back up to six, with no name biggerthan Pee Wee Reese. Do Gremlins always materialize as commons? At what ratio do Gremlins outnumber anti-Gremlins, or are they equal? Are Gremlins more numerous in larger sets, or is the observational data true that they tend to hang out in ones and twos? I am working on getting some cards out this afternoon and have a few availables to post as well. Please include your address. Thanks! 1954 Bowman anti-Gremlin #85 1955 Bowman 34 45 50 62 93 116123 138 181 183 207 208 209 214 219 220 1958 Topps 434 1959 Topps 254 311 379 1960 Topps 495 1966 Topps 2 25 82 111 148 183 Also have a blank back 1969 card for WS Game #3 - some red marker was used on the front and the blank back has "He's out out out!!!" With the same redmarker. Looks like my hand writing when I was nine but it wasn't me! Sent from my iPad ================= To: Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 17:18:31 -0500 Subject: Fixing Curved Cards From: "Bob Donaldson" I bought about 8000 BB/FB/Hockey cards from 76-81. They are mostly Ex/Mt , however, there were two problems as they had been stored ina somewhat damp basement. The most obvious was moof . I've treated them all with baking soda and have pretty much got rid of the moof smell. One note is I've used my wife's nose as a moof tester. Cards that smell fine to me after a few days would need up to a month to smell ok to her. Now that the cards are free of moof, I am noticing a curvature to them. Anyone have experience in reducing this on a high volume of cards? ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:51:23 -0500 To: jehutch75@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] P2 Sweet Caporal Pins- what can you guys tell From: Joshua Levine There are some variations that are tough including large and small letters and some team variations. There are also single prints in the set that can be a challenge to find and a challenge to the wallet. Not to mention, thereare two different back inserts, brown and red. I know a few people who have been chasing a master set for years. I know that the straight player set can be done with time but it is a challenge. -----Original Message----- From: jehutch75@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 31, 2015 12:41 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] P2 Sweet Caporal Pins- what can you guys tell me about They seem like a reasonable pre-war set to put together- does anyone know of any variations that are ridiculous to find? I would pick up a few and make a run at it if there is some chance of completion. Any info out there? I did do some reading online, but would love some OBC info as well ================= Date: 31 Jan 2015 16:49:45 -0800 To: Subject: Raleigh Card show Report (Saturday Day 2) From: larrytipton@windstream.net ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 19:55:56 -0500 Subject: Raleigh Card Show Report (Saturday) From: Taylor Schock Another good day at the Raleigh show. A great day if you include hanging out with 5 other OBCers. I got there BEFORE Guru today, but not too much before, and waited for the coordinated arrival of Mac, Ant, and Mark who basically arrived at the same time, with Bob a short time later. Handshakes all around. Mac Wubben passes on a great T206 of the player who introduced the shin guard to the major leagues and developed the first batting helmet (and HOFer to boot), Roger Bresnahan. Thanks Mac! Ant Arbeeny sends me Packard with this WoW card, a '58 Redskin Leo Elter, and another T206, this one of Harry Gasper. Thanks Ant! Mark from Ork Holland hands me 3 Mork and Mindy cards, a '69 Jimmy Butler FB 4-in-1, and a pair of '75 FBers in Jake Scott and the great Joe TheismannRC. Thanks Mark! Bob Neill provides me with a Red Man Johnny Logan, a '70 Topps Lou Brock poster for my daughter, and probably the coolest item for my daughter's Lou Brock collection, a '70 Chemtoy superball. I've had a few of these before but I don't think my daughter's ever seen one, and I have a feeling she'll think this is the coolest thing since texting. Just one question. How do I put this in here Lou Brock binder? Thanks Bob! Most of my show collection quest was against OBC tradition as I ended up purchasing a bunch of upgrades. BUT, I did find some great OBC style Red Mansfrom hopefully soon to be OBC dealer Steve not-Ritten-but Brandenberg, a small stack of 20-centers ('50s through '69 deckle edge), and a W514 Walter Johnson from Jack Zerby for my secret type-card collection. The best part of course was walking, standing, sitting, and eating with fellow OBCers, who I hope enjoyed the show as well and found a few things of use. Another great day! Hoping that everyone arrives home safe and sound. To: larrytipton@windstream.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 21:32:46 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) As Larry mentioned, met up at the Raleigh show today and his handshake was a pair of great '53 Topps with a George Kell and a high number Gene Woodling. I actually might finish this set some day. Thanks Larry, they are MUCH appreciated! The show had a little less dealers than usual, but with 4 OBC dealers, 1 potential OBC dealer, and an obvious OBC dealer type (Alan Sturgis with his %6 BV cards as Larry noted), there was a lot of picking going on. I actuallyfinished a set from Andy's $2 box (an unmentionable, just barely UV Jabbar) and picked up a few others there as well. Will be stopping by to dig through more of his stuff tomorrow. Lucky me today, getting my name drawn for adoor prize of $20 card show bucks, that I proceeded to spend most of at Alan's 6% table on '56 Topps and '55 Bowman FB cards and a few other odds andends. Hey, how can you pass up an Elroy 'Crazy Legs' Hirsch card in decentcondition for less than $2? Picked up a few a Kurt's table, including a $5 '56 Yankees TC bring the '56set down to 3 (of course, 1 is Mantle). Got a few '57 upgrades at Larrie Dean's table, and will look more closely at some prewar there tomorrow. Picked up a stack of unopened Conlon blisters at Chandy's table, but no luck inbusting any autographs out of them. Just before I left I went through Ed Lawson's stuff and picked up about 50 '60s upgrades. Ed doesn't usually havemuch OBC condition stuff, but he's a great guy and his cards start at a reasonable price and he always gives me a good discount on top of it. I'll be back for the start tomorrow and look forward to catching up with Mark, Mac, Ant, and Bob as well as Larry again. May need to cruise the flea market as well for a break, providing it isn't too cold or windy, and hopingour favorite produce guy is there also. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2015 18:03:00 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Raleigh Card Show Report (Friday) I am safe and sound in my hotel room after Fridays opening day at the Raleigh show. Hotel is a brand new Springhill Suites (Mariott property) SUPER NICE $79 a night. I haven't driven a long distance road trip in over ten years, so I was anxious for this trip a 6.5 hour drive. Arrive at the show 1/2 hour before the official opening but they were letting customers in early. Called Taylor and he was there in about half an hour. Taylor greeted me with the "OBC HANDSHAKE" two 1911 hits both gold bordered T205 beauties "Yankees" Quinn, and "Pirates" Leever. WOW Thanks Taylor! I bought quite a few cards today. Andys Vintage Sports Cards (Syracuse NY) was set up and he had a good supply of 50s-60s Topps hockey cards and as I am closing in on these sets found several hits. He had his cards priced to sell according to condition, and told me he would sell them to me at half of this price:) Well when it was all over, I had to make a quick trip to my car for the checkbook as I didn't want to use all my cash first thing:) Example 1965 Topps #108 Gordie Howe priced $25 and I got it for 50% of that. 1958 Topps #40 John Bucyk priced at $20 purchase price $10. At least 25 hitsto my short list VERY happy with these. Went back at the end of the show and bought all the Blackhawk cards he had that were cheap for my pal TJ:) Kurt Turdot (and his wife and kids) was there and you can imagine I spent some time digging through his bargain bins. 1948 Bowman football SPs NM these go for $100 "corner clipped" priced $5 I found nine hits! Kurt sold me the last card I needed for my 1964 Philadelphia football set Mike Ditka $5. Kurt also sold me a rare 1962 Post baseball SP #124 Joey Jay with the blue lines around the stats he sold it to me for $20 I think NM it's $300. Also in the bargain box I purchased a 1962 Topps baseball hi number Rookie ParadeJim Bouton Bo Belinsky RC I dont know the number because there are 2 hole punches on the card lol but $5 seemed cheap even though I already have thiscard. Taylor leads me to a guys whose cards are priced 6% of book I buy fourteen 1962 and 1965 Topps hi numbers for less than $1 each '65 Topps Boog Powell in there I have all these already they will find good homes in OBC May have made one mistake for $10 bought what I thought was a T205 Gold Border John "D" Miller on the Bio but I forget The "D" should be the first line in the bio not his name on the back. But looking closer I think this might be a third version where the "B" is kind of messed up? I dont know oh well=85 Some non sport hits too '57 Goofy Postcards, '59 Fleer Spins and Needles, Funny Valentines, others too. Almost forgot picked up a needed 1966 Philadelphia football Gale Sayers RC but this one wasn't $5 lol! Looking forward to meeting uptomorrow with Mac Ant Bob Mark and Taylor again! ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 18:16:12 -0800 To: OBC ramblings Subject: 1976 hostess needs From: John Dahms hello all, I just picked up a large lot of 76 hostess cards for what I thought was a good price......and am down to about 30 cards. thought I would post the list here to see if I could get a few more. any help is appreciated and I will gladly recipricate if I can, and if not I will gladly RAOK someone thanks in advance. 1976 Hostess needs 4(Gaylord Perry) 5(Bob Watson) 9(Rennie Stennett) 14(Terry Forster) 19(Steve Garvey) 26(Larry Dierker) 30(Reggie Smith) 31(Bobby Darwin) 32(Fritz Peterson) 33(Rod Carew) 36(Brooks Robinson) 43(Carl Morton) 45(Don Gullett) 58(Chris Chambliss) 62(Gary Carter) 63(Ron Cey) 79(Nolan Ryan SP) 83(Dave Winfield) 84(Mike Schmidt) 88(Mike Hargrove) 90(Greg Gross) 92(John Candelaria) 109(Tom Veryzer) 110(J.R. Richard) 133(Dave Parker) 137(Dennis Eckersley) 138(Fergie Jenkins) 139(Mike Torrez) 140(Jerry Morales) 146(Reggie Jackson) John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 31 Jan 2015 21:52:22 -0500 To: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1976 hostess needs From: "Samuel E. Taylor" #s 4 and 5 headed your way from Twinsburg... Sam Taylor On Sat, Jan 31, 2015 at 9:16 PM, John Dahms jd3681@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > hello all, I just picked up a large lot of 76 hostess cards for what I > thought was a good price......and am down to about 30 cards. thought I > would post the list here to see if I could get a few more. any help is > appreciated and I will gladly recipricate if I can, and if not I will > gladly RAOK someone else. > thanks in advance. > JD > 1976 Hostess needs > 4(Gaylord Perry) 5(Bob Watson) 9(Rennie Stennett) 14(Terry Forster) > 19(Steve Garvey) 26(Larry Dierker) 30(Reggie Smith) 31(Bobby Darwin) > 32(Fritz Peterson) 33(Rod Carew) 36(Brooks Robinson) 43(Carl Morton) 45(Don > Gullett) 58(Chris Chambliss) 62(Gary Carter) 63(Ron Cey) 79(Nolan Ryan SP) > 83(Dave Winfield) 84(Mike Schmidt) 88(Mike Hargrove) 90(Greg Gross) 92(John > Candelaria) 109(Tom Veryzer) 110(J.R. Richard) 133(Dave Parker) 137(Dennis > Eckersley) 138(Fergie Jenkins) 139(Mike Torrez) 140(Jerry Morales) > 146(Reggie Jackson) > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ Sam Taylor ================= Date: 31 Jan 2015 19:55:30 -0800 To: Subject: Re: Fixing Curved Cards From: uthminsta@hotmail.com