================= Date: 01 Oct 2014 08:59:22 -0700 To: Subject: New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:06:18 +0000 To: obc-dealerscum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum From: ount me in - Richard Labs ---- "directorth@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Good morning, > There is a new OBC Yahoo Group. > Beginning today, and running for an initial 3-month test period, the Yahoo Group OBC-DealerScum, a group for OBC members to offer cards for sale to other OBC members, is now open for OBC members to join. Below is information about the new group, and how to subscribe to join this group. As with all of our groups, any subscription will go through Mark Talbot to approve. > The OBC-AC welcomes any and all feedback from members during this 3-month trial period. Please address any comments/concerns to any AC member via a private e-mail or by posting to Ramblings. > Regards, > Tom > GROUP DESCRIPTION AND GUIDELINES: > This is an official OBC email group. The OBC-AC recognizes that members periodically sell cards to fund other card purchases or for other non-card needs. Our goal is to provide a forum where members may sell their extra cards to other members in order to fulfill these needs. The group is strictly limited to OBC members ONLY, and any OBC member may opt-in or out of the group email at their discretion. Guidelines & rules for OBC-DealerScum are as follows: > 1) Cards for sale must be pre-1981 and may not have originated as RAOKs. This is not Ebay; cards should be priced in the spirit that we are a community of collectors, and not trying to gouge each other. Individual Topps or Bowman commons, or similarly cheap cards that typically flow freely on waiver wires should not be listed. > 2) Once an item is posted for sale, all further communication shall be via private e-mail messages between the seller and prospective buyers. > 3) At the conclusion of a successful purchase, thanks should be done via private e-mail messages between buyer and seller; parties are asked NOT to post thanks on the OBC-DealerScum email group. In other words, the only postings to OBC-DealerScum should be items for sale. > 4) In the event of a dispute, the parties should first try to resolve their issue among themselves. Any buyer may return an item for a full refund with no questions asked within two weeks of purchase. If the parties are unable to settle a dispute and the buyer does not request a refund, they may take their dispute to the AC. > 5) Unless decided upon by the OBC-AC, NO AUCTIONS will be permitted on OBC-DealerScum. > The test period for this group will run from October 1, 2014 to December 31, 2014. At the conclusion of the trial period, the AC will evaluate the test using their own experience as well as feedback from the OBC-DealerScum group members. > TO SUBSCRIBE TO OBC-DEALERSCUM: > Send an e-mail to: > obc-dealerscum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ================= Date: 01 Oct 2014 11:18:04 -0700 To: Subject: ramble/available From: larrytipton@windstream.net ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:50:32 +0000 (UTC) To: "" , "" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available From: familytoad@comcast.net and adventures.
The retirement life seems to fit you very well, andyou certainly earned it!

It also seems as though your collection has been turbo-charged the past couple years.
You've always been our Guru,but you are like SuperGuru now!

Oh, and 66T #571 is still on my list, probably is on dozens of our members list ;)

OBC Forever
Brian

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From: larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: October 1, 2014 at 11:18 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available

I've been at my oldest sons house (turned 36 yesterday) for the last week+ and winding down my trip. Two weeks in Vail Colorado as the Aspens change color rough but someone has to do it:) Yesterday I drove his vehicle into Denver for some warranty work, and took the dealerships shuttle to "Bills Collectibles". I visited this card shop back in the early 90s as I drove from Oklahoma to Idaho shuttling kids to Grandma and Grandpas ranch. Then last year I was re-introduced to this card shop as Geno and I visited there. Well Geno is out flying somewhere, so this was a solo trip. I bought quite a few cards and finished three sets. The Fleer sets from the 70s Baseball Wildest Days and Plays, and also Baseballs Famous Feats with the Ruth card finished those. Also picked up a 1964 Topps football Cookie Gilchrist which finished that set. Other purchase highlights included a PILE of Post and Jello baseball cards for my almost all OBC set. 1955 Topps football All-American #21 Whizzer White with the Gaynell bio on the back this card cost me $65 it's pretty rare. What else a 1957 Topps football Johnny Unitas rookie card cut in half and a 1962 Topps football Bobby Mitchell with the Minnesota Team card on the back that was fun. Also 1953 Topps World on Wheels #180 high number and last card in the set 1955 Ford Crown Victoria these high numbers are TOUGH.
I picked up some dupes from the $3 box or buy 10 cards for $20 and got a discount on top of that. I guess the highlights from these were eight or ten 1966 Topps baseball hi numbers with several SPs. I went through some want lists and have seventeen cards ready to mail when I get home.
But these cards remain and need a good home please claim away!
1958 Topps #476 Stan Musial AS (with an added mustache)
1963 Topps #125 Robin Roberts
1964 Topps #324 Casey Stengel
1966 Topps #571 SP Dave Roberts
Driving home yesterday afternoon through Vail pass it was snowing pretty hard, and my son said the pass closed last night due to numerous accidents. I'm having a great time babysittinggrandkids, utilizing this great workout center, and loving this area. Wentto this cabin back in the woods saw a moose and caught some rainbow trout.
Guru
               
================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:16:30 -0500 To: "familytoad@comcast.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available From: MarkZ Adventures of super-guru- sounds like a good idea for another custom card (Tom's Mark Z Sent from mark z ipod On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:50 PM, "familytoad@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > Larry Guru > I enjoy reading your rambles and adventures. > The retirement life seems to fit you very well, and you certainly earned it! > It also seems as though your collection has been turbo-charged the past couple > You've always been our Guru, but you are like SuperGuru now! > Oh, and 66T #571 is still on my list, probably is on dozens of our members list ;) > OBC Forever > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: October 1, 2014 at 11:18 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available > I've been at my oldest sons house (turned 36 yesterday) for the last week+ and winding down my trip. Two weeks in Vail Colorado as the Aspens changecolor rough but someone has to do it:) Yesterday I drove his vehicle into Denver for some warranty work, and took the dealerships shuttle to "Bills Collectibles". I visited this card shop back in the early 90s as I drove from Oklahoma to Idaho shuttling kids to Grandma and Grandpas ranch. Then lastyear I was re-introduced to this card shop as Geno and I visited there. Well Geno is out flying somewhere, so this was a solo trip. I bought quite a few cards and finished three sets. The Fleer sets from the 70s Baseball Wildest Days and Plays, and also Baseballs Famous Feats with the Ruth card finished those. Also picked up a 1964 Topps football Cookie Gilchrist which finished that set. Other purchase highlights included a PILE of Post and Jello baseball cards for my almost all OBC set. 1955 Topps football All-American #21 Whizzer White with the Gaynell bio on the back this card cost me $65 it's pretty rare. What else a 1957 Topps football Johnny Unitas rookie cardcut in half and a 1962 Topps football Bobby Mitchell with the Minnesota Team card on the back that was fun. Also 1953 Topps World on Wheels #180 highnumber and last card in the set 1955 Ford Crown Victoria these high numbers are TOUGH. > I picked up some dupes from the $3 box or buy 10 cards for $20 and got a discount on top of that. I guess the highlights from these were eight or ten 1966 Topps baseball hi numbers with several SPs. I went through some wantlists and have seventeen cards ready to mail when I get home. > But these cards remain and need a good home please claim away! > 1958 Topps #476 Stan Musial AS (with an added mustache) > 1963 Topps #125 Robin Roberts > 1964 Topps #324 Casey Stengel > 1966 Topps #571 SP Dave Roberts > Driving home yesterday afternoon through Vail pass it was snowing pretty hard, and my son said the pass closed last night due to numerous accidents.I'm having a great time babysitting grandkids, utilizing this great workout center, and loving this area. Went to this cabin back in the woods saw a moose and caught some rainbow trout. > Guru ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:41:45 -0700 To: "" Subject: Changing focus From: Rick Down to nine cards to finish the topps run three are mantles 52 Mathews so really only looking for five cards so it has come to a stop for awhile now.Looking at my lists to see what sets to focus on or finish. Came up with 59 & 61 fleer, 61 golden press,71 milk duds,48-54-55 bowman. Question I havehas anyone bought the 59 fleer short print lately and for how much. What do you guys think is a fair price for one? Here's my lists if anyone has anyto swap.thanks Rick 1959 Fleer I need # 2-8-17-39-40-59-63-66-68-75 1961 fleer need # 14-25-31-43-59-75-98-124-132-137-141-147-150-152-154 1961 Golden Press I need # 4-6-8-10-13-29-30-32-33 1971 Milk Duds singles- I need banks-rose 1948 Bowman I need # 8-18-20-26-28-36-38-40-41-42-43-44 1954 Bowman need # 43-65-66-80-89-101-132-141-145-161-170-177-218 1955 Bowman need # 9 12 22 23 33 37 59 89 101a 103 132b 134 184 195b 202 226 235 237 238 241 242 244 245 250 251 254 257 258 259 260 265 266 267 271 275 277 278 279 283 285 286 287 288 289 291 296 299 300 301 302 303 305 306 307 308 309 311 313 314 315 317 319 320 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:58:46 -0700 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available From: Glenn Codere Sounds like you're living the dream, my friend!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 1, 2014 7:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available I've been at my oldest sons house (turned 36 yesterday) for the last week+ and winding down my trip. Two weeks in Vail Colorado as the Aspens change color rough but someone has to do it:) Yesterday I drove his vehicle into Denver for some warranty work, and took the dealerships shuttle to "Bills Collectibles". I visited this card shop back in the early 90s as I drove from Oklahoma to Idaho shuttling kids to Grandma and Grandpas ranch. Then last year I was re-introduced to this card shop as Geno and I visited there. WellGeno is out flying somewhere, so this was a solo trip. I bought quite a few cards and finished three sets. The Fleer sets from the 70s Baseball Wildest Days and Plays, and also Baseballs Famous Feats with the Ruth card finished those. Also picked up a 1964 Topps football Cookie Gilchrist which finished that set. Other purchase highlights included a PILE of Post and Jello baseball cards for my almost all OBC set. 1955 Topps football All-American #21 Whizzer White with the Gaynell bio on the back this card cost me $65 it's pretty rare. What else a 1957 Topps football Johnny Unitasrookie card cut in half and a 1962 Topps football Bobby Mitchell with the Minnesota Team card on the back that was fun. Also 1953 Topps World on Wheels #180 high number and last card in the set 1955 Ford Crown Victoria thesehigh numbers are TOUGH. I picked up some dupes from the $3 box or buy 10 cards for $20 and got a discount on top of that. I guess the highlights from these were eight or ten 1966 Topps baseball hi numbers with several SPs. I went through some want lists and have seventeen cards ready to mail when I get home. But these cards remain and need a good home please claim away! 1958 Topps #476 Stan Musial AS (with an added mustache) 1963 Topps #125 Robin Roberts 1964 Topps #324 Casey Stengel 1966 Topps #571 SP Dave Roberts Driving home yesterday afternoon through Vail pass it was snowing pretty hard, and my son said the pass closed last night due to numerous accidents. I'm having a great time babysitting grandkids, utilizing this great workout center, and loving this area. Went to this cabin back in the woods saw a moose and caught some rainbow trout. ================= To: , Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:05:39 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum From: "Grant Rainsley" Just a thought re this new Group...........is there any reason items like star cards or pricey SP=E2=99s or whatever can=E2=99t be put up on that board for =E2=9Cswap preferred over sale=E2=9D? I am sure we aren=E2=99t all millionaires, and if you/I have laid out money for cardboard(like a biggie) which either became or turned out to be a dupe, you would go broke pretty fast just giving them away,............and giving them awaydoes happen in this great group of people. Personally, I wouldn=E2=99tcare if I lost some money on the swap, I look at it as a victory for both.....one fewer big hit off your list, and the other end wins too. The way Ilook at it, I don=E2=99t need to go penny for penny on a card......so if I laid out 50 bucks on a card, and it turned out I didn=E2=99t need it, but managed to work a swap for a 30 buck card, I would be just as happy. Call it yet another Shrewd Rainsley Investment, or SRI for short.........there have many similar ones over the years, trust me. That is likely a contributing factor to why I am NOT a millionaire. Another thought occurred to me (I think I have too much time on my hands today) is that members of the new Group could put together yet another (we can never have enough) Wantlist of the stars/SP=E2=99s/whatever that are more difficult to obtain and therefore pricier, and just drop it to the Group members occasionally for their perusal, much like many of us do with our annual (or so) email to the OBC-Wantlist server.........and invite enquiries. And hey, if it doesn=E2=99t work, it doesn=E2=99t work, no harm intrying. I=E2=99ll go away now.......thanks for reading. Grant From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] Sent: October-01-14 8:59 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum Good morning, There is a new OBC Yahoo Group. Beginning today, and running for an initial 3-month test period, the Yahoo Group OBC-DealerScum, a group for OBC members to offer cards for sale to other OBC members, is now open for OBC members to join. Below is information about the new group, and how to subscribe to join this group. As with allof our groups, any subscription will go through Mark Talbot to approve. The OBC-AC welcomes any and all feedback from members during this 3-month trial period. Please address any comments/concerns to any AC member via a private e-mail or by posting to Ramblings. GROUP DESCRIPTION AND GUIDELINES: This is an official OBC email group. The OBC-AC recognizes that members periodically sell cards to fund other card purchases or for other non-card needs. Our goal is to provide a forum where members may sell their extra cardsto other members in order to fulfill these needs. The group is strictly limited to OBC members ONLY, and any OBC member may opt-in or out of the group email at their discretion. Guidelines & rules for OBC-DealerScum are as follows: 1) Cards for sale must be pre-1981 and may not have originated as RAOKs. This is not Ebay; cards should be priced in the spirit that we are a community of collectors, and not trying to gouge each other. Individual Topps or Bowman commons, or similarly cheap cards that typically flow freely on waiver wires should not be listed. 2) Once an item is posted for sale, all further communication shall bevia private e-mail messages between the seller and prospective buyers. 3) At the conclusion of a successful purchase, thanks should be done via private e-mail messages between buyer and seller; parties are asked NOT to post thanks on the OBC-DealerScum email group. In other words, the only postings to OBC-DealerScum should be items for sale. 4) In the event of a dispute, the parties should first try to resolve their issue among themselves. Any buyer may return an item for a full refund with no questions asked within two weeks of purchase. If the parties are unable to settle a dispute and the buyer does not request a refund, they may take their dispute to the AC. 5) Unless decided upon by the OBC-AC, NO AUCTIONS will be permitted onOBC-DealerScum. The test period for this group will run from October 1, 2014 to December 31, 2014. At the conclusion of the trial period, the AC will evaluate the test using their own experience as well as feedback from the OBC-DealerScum group TO SUBSCRIBE TO OBC-DEALERSCUM: Send an e-mail to: ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:19:30 -0400 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] ramble/available From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I think next time you go to one of these shops, you should broadcast it :-). We can go shopping with Guru! In a message dated 10/1/2014 2:18:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: I've been at my oldest sons house (turned 36 yesterday) for the last week+ and winding down my trip. Two weeks in Vail Colorado as the Aspens change color rough but someone has to do it:) Yesterday I drove his vehicle into Denver for some warranty work, and took the dealerships shuttle to "Bills Collectibles". I visited this card shop back in the early 90s as I drove from Oklahoma to Idaho shuttling kids to Grandma and Grandpas ranch. Then last year I was re-introduced to this card shop as Geno and I visited there. Well Geno is out flying somewhere, so this was a solo trip. I bought quitea few cards and finished three sets. The Fleer sets from the 70s Baseball Wildest Days and Plays, and also Baseballs Famous Feats with the Ruth card finished those. Also picked up a 1964 Topps football Cookie Gilchrist which finished that set. Other purchase highlights included a PILE of Post and Jello baseball cards for my almost all OBC set. 1955 Topps football All-American #21 Whizzer White with the Gaynell bio on the back this card cost me $65 it's pretty rare. What else a 1957 Topps football Johnny Unitas rookie card cut in half and a 1962 Topps football Bobby Mitchell with the Minnesota Team card on the back that was fun. Also 1953 Topps World on Wheels #180 high number and last card in the set 1955 Ford Crown Victoria these high numbers are TOUGH. I picked up some dupes from the $3 box or buy 10 cards for $20 and got a discount on top of that. I guess the highlights from these were eight or ten 1966 Topps baseball hi numbers with several SPs. I went through some want lists and have seventeen cards ready to mail when I get home. But these cards remain and need a good home please claim away! 1958 Topps #476 Stan Musial AS (with an added mustache) 1963 Topps #125 Robin Roberts 1964 Topps #324 Casey Stengel 1966 Topps #571 SP Dave Roberts Driving home yesterday afternoon through Vail pass it was snowing pretty hard, and my son said the pass closed last night due to numerous accidents. I'm having a great time babysitting grandkids, utilizing this great workout center, and loving this area. Went to this cabin back in the woods saw a moose and caught some rainbow trout. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:22:37 -0400 To: grains@shaw.ca, directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en That was a question I had also. Would we use this if we wanted to "swap" big cards rather than flat out dealer scum purchases? In a message dated 10/1/2014 4:05:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Just a thought re this new Group...........is there any reason items like star cards or pricey SP=E2=99s or whatever can=E2=99t be put up on that board for =E2=9C swap preferred over sale=E2=9D? I am sure we aren=E2=99t all millionaires, and if you/I have laid out money for cardboard (like a biggie) which either became or turned out to be a dupe, you would go broke pretty fast just giving them away,............and giving them away does happen in this great group of people. Personally, I wouldn=E2=99t care if I lost some money on the swap, I look at it as a victory for both.....one fewer big hit off your list, and the other end wins too. The way I look at it, I don=E2=99t need to go penny penny on a card......so if I laid out 50 bucks on a card, and it turned out didn=E2=99t need it, but managed to work a swap for a 30 buck card, I would just as happy. Call it yet another Shrewd Rainsley Investment, or SRI for short.........there have many similar ones over the years, trust me. That is likely a contributing factor to why I am NOT a millionaire. Another thought occurred to me (I think I have too much time on my hands today) is that members of the new Group could put together yet another (we can never have enough) Wantlist of the stars/SP=E2=99s/whatever that are difficult to obtain and therefore pricier, and just drop it to the Group members occasionally for their perusal, much like many of us do with our annual (or so) email to the OBC-Wantlist server.........and invite enquiries. And hey, if it doesn=E2=99t work, it doesn=E2=99t work, no harm in trying. I=E2=99ll go away now.......thanks for reading. Grant From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] Sent: October-01-14 8:59 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum Good morning, There is a new OBC Yahoo Group. Beginning today, and running for an initial 3-month test period, the Yahoo Group OBC-DealerScum, a group for OBC members to offer cards for sale to other OBC members, is now open for OBC members to join. Below is information about the new group, and how to subscribe to join this group. As all of our groups, any subscription will go through Mark Talbot to approve. The OBC-AC welcomes any and all feedback from members during this 3-month trial period. Please address any comments/concerns to any AC member via a private e-mail or by posting to Ramblings. GROUP DESCRIPTION AND GUIDELINES: This is an official OBC email group. The OBC-AC recognizes that members periodically sell cards to fund other card purchases or for other non-card needs. Our goal is to provide a forum where members may sell their extra cards to other members in order to fulfill these needs. The group is strictly limited to OBC members ONLY, and any OBC member may opt-in or out of the group email at their discretion. Guidelines & rules for OBC-DealerScum areas 1) Cards for sale must be pre-1981 and may not have originated as RAOKs. This is not Ebay; cards should be priced in the spirit that we are a community of collectors, and not trying to gouge each other. Individual Topps or Bowman commons, or similarly cheap cards that typically flow freely on waiver wires should not be listed. 2) Once an item is posted for sale, all further communication shall be via private e-mail messages between the seller and prospective buyers. 3) At the conclusion of a successful purchase, thanks should be done via private e-mail messages between buyer and seller; parties are asked NOT to post thanks on the OBC-DealerScum email group. In other words, the only postings to OBC-DealerScum should be items for sale. 4) In the event of a dispute, the parties should first try to resolve their issue among themselves. Any buyer may return an item for a full refund with no questions asked within two weeks of purchase. If the parties unable to settle a dispute and the buyer does not request a refund, they may take their dispute to the AC. 5) Unless decided upon by the OBC-AC, NO AUCTIONS will be permitted on OBC-DealerScum. The test period for this group will run from October 1, 2014 to December 31, 2014. At the conclusion of the trial period, the AC will evaluate the test using their own experience as well as feedback from the OBC-DealerScum group members. TO SUBSCRIBE TO OBC-DEALERSCUM: Send an e-mail to: ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:38:25 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Need some input... Yellow Clemente From: ChicoD1@aol.com Have a chance to get this card for $99 bucks. What do you guys think about it? 58 Yellow Clemente PSA 3... Need to know within next 22 hours... ================= Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:39:16 -0400 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum From: Bob Donaldson I would think not. Swaps have always been done on the want list or ramblings Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:22 PM, "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > That was a question I had also. Would we use this if we wanted to "swap" big cards rather than flat out dealer scum purchases? > Sal > In a message dated 10/1/2014 4:05:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Just a thought re this new Group...........is there any reason items likestar cards or pricey SP=E2=99s or whatever can=E2=99t be put up on that board for =E2=9Cswap preferred over sale=E2=9D? I am sure we aren=E2=99t all millionaires, and if you/I have laid out money for cardboard (like a biggie) which either became or turned out to be a dupe, you wouldgo broke pretty fast just giving them away,............and giving them away does happen in this great group of people. Personally, I wouldn=E2=99t care if I lost some money on the swap, I look at it as a victory for both.....one fewer big hit off your list, and the other end wins too. The way I look at it, I don=E2=99t need to go penny for penny on a card......so if I laid out 50 bucks on a card, and it turned out I didn=E2=99t need it, but managed to work a swap for a 30 buck card, I would be just as happy.Call it yet another Shrewd Rainsley Investment, or SRI for short.........there have many similar ones over the years, trust me. That is likely a contributing factor to why I am NOT a millionaire. > Another thought occurred to me (I think I have too much time on my hands today) is that members of the new Group could put together yet another (we can never have enough) Wantlist of the stars/SP=E2=99s/whatever that aremore difficult to obtain and therefore pricier, and just drop it to the Group members occasionally for their perusal, much like many of us do with our annual (or so) email to the OBC-Wantlist server.........and invite enquiries. And hey, if it doesn=E2=99t work, it doesn=E2=99t work, no harm in > I=E2=99ll go away now.......thanks for reading. Grant > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > Sent: October-01-14 8:59 AM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New OBC Yahoo Group - DealerScum > Good morning, > There is a new OBC Yahoo Group. > Beginning today, and running for an initial 3-month test period, the Yahoo Group OBC-DealerScum, a group for OBC members to offer cards for sale toother OBC members, is now open for OBC members to join. Below is information about the new group, and how to subscribe to join this group. As with all of our groups, any subscription will go through Mark Talbot to approve. > The OBC-AC welcomes any and all feedback from members during this 3-monthtrial period. Please address any comments/concerns to any AC member via a private e-mail or by posting to Ramblings. > Regards, > Tom > GROUP DESCRIPTION AND GUIDELINES: > This is an official OBC email group. The OBC-AC recognizes that members periodically sell cards to fund other card purchases or for other non-card needs. Our goal is to provide a forum where members may sell their extra cards to other members in order to fulfill these needs. The group is strictly limited to OBC members ONLY, and any OBC member may opt-in or out of the group email at their discretion. Guidelines & rules for OBC-DealerScum are asfollows: > 1) Cards for sale must be pre-1981 and may not have originated as RAOKs. This is not Ebay; cards should be priced in the spirit that we are a community of collectors, and not trying to gouge each other. Individual Topps or Bowman commons, or similarly cheap cards that typically flow freely onwaiver wires should not be listed. > 2) Once an item is posted for sale, all further communication shall be via private e-mail messages between the seller and prospective buyers. > 3) At the conclusion of a successful purchase, thanks should be donevia private e-mail messages between buyer and seller; parties are asked NOT to post thanks on the OBC-DealerScum email group. In other words, the only postings to OBC-DealerScum should be items for sale. > 4) In the event of a dispute, the parties should first try to resolve their issue among themselves. Any buyer may return an item for a full refund with no questions asked within two weeks of purchase. If the parties are unable to settle a dispute and the buyer does not request a refund, they may take their dispute to the AC. > 5) Unless decided upon by the OBC-AC, NO AUCTIONS will be permitted on > The test period for this group will run from October 1, 2014 to December 31, 2014. At the conclusion of the trial period, the AC will evaluate the test using their own experience as well as feedback from the OBC-DealerScum group > TO SUBSCRIBE TO OBC-DEALERSCUM: > Send an e-mail to: > obc-dealerscum-subscribe@yahoogroups.com ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:50:53 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re OBC Dealer Scum From: Larry Tipton I can think of one possible problem area we have not talked about. What if a purchase is lost in the mail? Should we specify that it is a 50 50 responsibility between seller and buyer meaning if an item is lost in the mail seller will refund half purchase price? Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Larry Tipton , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:57:35 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re OBC Dealer Scum From: Taylor Schock It should be the responsibility of the seller. If it is something the seller can bear the cost of the loss, then send it anyway you want. If it is something that the seller can't (or doesn't want to) bear the cost of the loss, then send it insured. The seller can include the cost of insurance in theprice he is asking or break it down as part of the purchase cost. Some might drop a $200 card in an envelope and send it off. Others might feel safer or less exposed in sending it in an ensured puffy/box. To put it another way (and more bluntly), if I was buying something, I don't want to be 1/2 responsible for anything the seller doesn't know how to ship properly. And I wouldn't expect someone buying from me to bear that responsibility as well if I just decided to drop it in an envelope. I have ZERO expectations that someone in the group will claim something didNOT arrive when it actually did, but do have concerns about some questionable packaging methods, INCLUDING at times, my own. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:50:53 -0600 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re OBC Dealer Scum I can think of one possible problem area we have not talked about. What if a purchase is lost in the mail? Should we specify that it is a 50 50 responsibility between seller and buyer meaning if an item is lost in the mail seller will refund half purchase price? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:11:18 -0700 To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Well, once again the Universe unfolds as it should while I'm planning other things. Recently we had to euthanize one of our 8 year old English Mastiffs. It was a tough decision but the right one given the circumstances. She was suffering from intestinal cancer which was compromising her autoimmune system which in turn led to an infestation of mites. Thankfully we have her sister Kasie still with us. She and we will miss Kacie aka Houdina! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:28:00 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: A new idea for OBC From: Jimi Hey guys, So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, BobD'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many booksover the years. Here's the vision: I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 16:35:29 -0500 To: Jimi Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A new idea for OBC From: Gary Mandell With the book have to be published before 1980? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > Here's the vision: > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:51:51 -0400 To: Jimi Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A new idea for OBC From: Bob Donaldson I think it's a great idea, not sure it would need its own server unless thetraffic got very high Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 5:28 PM, "Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Hey guys, > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > Here's the vision: > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 15:08:33 -0700 To: OBCRamblings Subject: FOOTnote From: EEK Any FOOTs thinking about Sunday's Redford Show? "we keep what we give away!" ================= To: Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:21:14 -0500 Subject: Sy Berger article and Topps connection From: "George Vrechek" I wrote an SCD article on how 91-year-old Sy Berger (the father of the modern baseball card) is doing which is now posted on our library page under "Other Hobby Pioneers." Thanks Joe Isaac for posting it. I got some nice feedback on it from people at Topps, Berger's family, and Willie Mays (indirectly.) As a result of another SCD article, I was contacted by Len Brown who worked at Topps from 1959 to 2000. He had some great info about the specifics of card designs. There will be a two-part article in the future on him. I have already checked with him on various Topps mysteries for any background he George Vrechek ================= Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 19:03:13 -0400 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sy Berger article and Topps connection From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= To: Bob Donaldson , Jimi Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 19:18:41 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A new idea for OBC From: Taylor Schock How about a slight wrinkle to this. Offer the book up as a waiver wire offering, and the "owner" of the book writes the names on the inside cover of all those that respond. (Oooohhh, or how about an OBC "bookmarker" with the list of names?) Since the owner is offering up the book, the don't need a full review but something like "Crazy '08 was a cool book about the 1908 baseball season..."or some kind of teaser in the waiver wire offer to determine who is interested. Then the owner sends the book out to the first name on the list. Whenthe first name is done reading it, he can A ) optionally post a "review" and B ) send the book out to the next name on the list, providing the next name is still interested. The optional review might garner more interest as well, and the newly interested party would be added to the end of the list of names in the book. Not trying to bog the emails down with too many messages, but I am in the camp where it is very easy to delete messages I don't care about. :) CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: jimivintage@yahoo.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 17:51:51 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A new idea for OBC I think it's a great idea, not sure it would need its own server unless thetraffic got very high Sent from my iPhone On Oct 2, 2014, at 5:28 PM, "Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Hey guys, So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, BobD'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many booksover the years. Here's the vision: I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:11:58 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need some input... Yellow Clemente From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Well I got some sage advice from the elders.... Ken- " Levi (707 sportscards) has a YL PSA 3 for $165 on his website. His prices are usually double what the fair price is... if it's the last biggie, I'd be chomping at the bit. Wait for one to get to your target price" This was in my target of $100. And yeah Levi does charge too Gary- "heres how i look at it. if you can get it for $100, how mad would you be if you found one next year for $80. is it worth the extra $20 to know you have it?" I'd be a little upset, but then again it would be a text message at the National as I know someone else would want it, that would make me happy also, and if it was cheap enough, I'd pick it up and dealer scum to someone who really needs it. But the topper was this one... "It is a fair price if you are looking to get the single card. If you choose to pass on it, I would like it. " If Mike Rich says he would take it at that price, I'm all in! So, needless to say, I hit buy it now and in a few days I will have knocked off a card I have been searching for, for a few years at Nationals. How I forgot to put this on the 10 (12) most wanted list, I'll never know. But it will be coming off! Well there goes October's card budget and it's only the 2nd LOL! Thanks so much for the input. That is what is so cool about this group. I was a lost soul and they helped me find my way LOL... In a message dated 10/1/2014 6:38:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Have a chance to get this card for $99 bucks. What do you guys think about it? 58 Yellow Clemente PSA 3... Need to know within next 22 hours... ================= Date: 02 Oct 2014 20:17:32 -0700 To: Subject: Re: A new idea for OBC From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: 02 Oct 2014 20:35:56 -0700 To: Subject: Waiver wire series #4: 1953-1959 From: uthminsta@hotmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 04:02:34 +0000 (UTC) To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re OBC Dealer Scum From: talbot1@comcast.net I think the seller has the obligation of making sure the package arrives. REGARDS ------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 2, 2014 10:50:53 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re OBC Dealer Scum I can think of one possible problem area we have not talked about. What if a purchase is lost in the mail? Should we specify that it is a 50 50 responsibility between seller and buyer meaning if an item is lost in the mail seller will refund half purchase price? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 04:23:36 -0600 To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC From: illini_grad_90 ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 08:16:48 -0500 To: illini_grad_90 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC From: MarkZ The paypal shipping site does allow media mail but you would need the weight to use Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:23 AM, "illini_grad_90 illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Just so you know, you can ship books Media Mail, which is generally under$3 for smaller hard covers and paperbacks....maybe a buck more for a bigger hard cover. You have to stand in line to get the rate, as the machines don't give you that option, but it's worth it for bigger books. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date:10/02/2014 21:17 (GMT-07:00) > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC > I have dozens, maybe hundreds of baseball books. I have often thought about a good way to disseminate them throughout the group. Much more expensiveshipping than cards! I'd say anyone who wants to come by the house is welcome to borrow or keep any of them! > But if you do implement something like this, let me know. I would be interested in any way I could help increase the volume! > Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 09:42:43 -0400 To: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sy Berger article and Topps connection From: BBC Trading I just finished reading Mint Condition, a book about card collecting and the evolution of the cards we love, and it had a chapter about Sy and Woody Gelman and their time at Topps. Very interesting book especially for collectors. It talked about how Sy was a fixture in clubhouses back in the day signing players to Topps contracts for a whopping $5 a year. Amazing. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:03 PM, "'wwesmyster2@aol.com' wwesmyster2@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Read the piece, a magnificent account of Sy's legacy. Great stuff. > Wes > Sent from my LG phone > "'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > >I wrote an SCD article on how 91-year-old Sy Berger (the father of the > >modern baseball card) is doing which is now posted on our library page under > >"Other Hobby Pioneers." Thanks Joe Isaac for posting it. > > > >I got some nice feedback on it from people at Topps, Berger's family, and > >Willie Mays (indirectly.) > > > > > > > >As a result of another SCD article, I was contacted by Len Brown who worked > >at Topps from 1959 to 2000. He had some great info about the specifics of > >card designs. There will be a two-part article in the future on him. I have > >already checked with him on various Topps mysteries for any background he > >recalls. > > > >George Vrechek > > > > > > ================= Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 09:59:52 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: A new idea for OBC book club From: Rob Fitts I=92m interested rob fitts ================= Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 10:12:30 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read From: Rob Fitts Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable some thoughts 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. As an author, I=92m rather opposed to the =93lending library=94 idea prosedby Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write abaseball book. Please think about that- that=92s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=92t even coverexpenses when I write a book, let alone make back my =93lost=94 salary if I had a real job. Passing on a book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult profession. So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever Rob Fitts e: A new idea for OBC Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 With the book have to be published before 1980? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > Here's the vision: > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:27:58 -0400 To: Rob Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read From: Jimi Rob and all, I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead oftime. However consider this: 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, wrap itup and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's purchased eventually by someone else. 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it and I love it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to another 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallica who tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the point, I hope. I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; I'msimply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I hopeyou can understand that. Thank you! Sent from my iPad > On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > some thoughts > 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. > As an author, I=E2=99m rather opposed to the =E2=9Clending library=E2=9D idea prosed by Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write a baseball book. Please think about that- that=E2=99s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=E2=99t even cover expenses when I write a book, let alonemake back my =E2=9Clost=E2=9D salary if I had a real job. Passing ona book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult > So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever > Rob Fitts > www.RobFitts.com > e: A new idea for OBC > Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 > With the book have to be published before 1980? > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > > > Hey guys, > > > > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly,Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > > > > Here's the vision: > > > > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to othermembers as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that eachbook has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not onthe page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > > > > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > > > > Jimi > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ================= Date: 03 Oct 2014 07:45:01 -0700 To: Subject: 90 year old footage from the '24 World Series From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:49:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts From: Ed Hutchinson Rob- while I see your point and certainly understand it, I know personally that while I would happily read books passed along to me in this way, and would happily send books of mine to others, I know for a fact that I would not be interested (or financially able) to purchase all of these books. I cant see how sending books to each other in this way would be any different than going to an actual library to borrow them. Respectfully submitted On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 10:27 AM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Rob and all, > I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead > of time. However consider this: > 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do > it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me > purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, > wrap it up and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might > read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is > all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, > someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's > purchased eventually by someone else. > 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, > I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it andI > love it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to > another OBCer. > 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I > remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallica > who tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg > copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, > the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in > history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the > point, I hope. > I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; > I'm simply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I > hope you can understand that. Thank you! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net > [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > some thoughts > 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I > have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. > As an author, I=E2=99m rather opposed to the =E2=9Clending library=E2=9D idea prosed by > Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball > authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time > writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to writea > baseball book. Please think about that- that=E2=99s between $100,000 to > $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in > royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=E2=99t > cover expenses when I write a book, let alone make back my =E2=9Clost=E2=9D salary if > I had a real job. Passing on a book through OBC would reduce sales > significantly in an already difficult profession. > So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies > whenever possible. > Rob Fitts > www.RobFitts.com > e: A new idea for OBC > Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 > > With the book have to be published before 1980? > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > Hey guys, > > > > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, > Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many > books over the years. > > > > Here's the vision: > > > > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps > called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid > sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish > to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank > page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and > dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the > path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC > who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to > read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. > Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also > cheaper. > > > > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were > interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please > let me know what you think! > > > > Jimi > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:00:07 -0400 To: Jimi Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read From: Jimi Sorry, I got sidetracked, but I meant to add a 4th reason. I'm trying to understand the difference between this and a library? Hundreds/Thousands ofpeople borrowing the same book? Sent from my iPad > On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:27 AM, "Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Rob and all, > I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead of time. However consider this: > 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, wrap it up and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's purchased eventually by someone else. > 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it and Ilove it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to another > 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallicawho tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the point, I hope. > I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; I'm simply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I hope you can understand that. Thank you! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad >> On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> some thoughts >> 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. >> As an author, I=E2=99m rather opposed to the =E2=9Clending library=E2=9D idea prosed by Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write a baseball book. Please think about that- that=E2=99s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=E2=99t even cover expenses when I write a book, let alonemake back my =E2=9Clost=E2=9D salary if I had a real job. Passing ona book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult >> So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever >> Rob Fitts >> www.RobFitts.com >> e: A new idea for OBC >> Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 >> With the book have to be published before 1980? >> Sent from my iPhone >> > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> > >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. >> > >> > Here's the vision: >> > >> > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. >> > >> > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! >> > >> > Jimi >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:03:29 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 90 year old footage from the '24 World Series From: Mac Wubben Wow! Gives you goosebumps to watch it...love the windups, watch Walter Johnson close it out...amazing. Thanks for sharing! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 07:45:01 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 90 year old footage from the '24 World Series Cool footage from the last game of the 1924 World Series. Watch Newly Discovered Footage Of D.C.'s 1924 World Series Walk-Off Win Watch Newly Discovered Footage Of D.C.'s 1924 Wor... It is, the Library of Congress swears, entirely coincidence that four minutes of footage from the 1924 World Series--pitting the Senators against the Giants... View on deadspin.com Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 11:15:30 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please From: Rob Fitts Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable just so you know, I=92m taking no offense and not at all hostile toward youor your idea. It=92s an interesting idea that you have but I think we should really thinkabout the ramifications. 1- of course it is not illegal. No issue. It=92s just like buying a used book. My concern is not that we are giving away our unwanted books (which is a great idea) but the passing it along each month to a different person.It that way one copy can be read by a dozen or more potential buyers. 2- as for the buzz that passing on the book might create, that is a valid point. Unfortunately, there is no real way to tell if readers would end up buying more copies for friends after having read it. It is very possible that it would lead to more sales. I have a compromise. I wholeheartedly support the idea of a OBC book section and maybe a little book Ramblings as well. But instead of trying to pass a book on each month, why don=92t we use the format already in place for the cards? We send the book to individuals who want it and if they choose to pass it on to another, they can, but we should not require them to do so how does that sound? On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:27 AM, Jimi wrote: > Rob and all, > I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead of time. However consider this: > 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, wrap it up and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's purchased eventually by someone else. > 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it and Ilove it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to another > 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallicawho tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the point, I hope. > I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; I'm simply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I hope you can understand that. Thank you! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> some thoughts >> 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. >> As an author, I=92m rather opposed to the =93lending library=94 idea prosed by Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write a baseball book. Please think about that- that=92s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=92t even cover expenses when I write a book, let alone make back my =93lost=94 salary if I had a real job. Passing on a book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult profession. >> So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever >> Rob Fitts >> www.RobFitts.com >> e: A new idea for OBC >> Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 >> With the book have to be published before 1980? >> Sent from my iPhone >> > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> > >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. >> > >> > Here's the vision: >> > >> > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. >> > >> > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! >> > >> > Jimi >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:12:05 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Available From: Larry Tipton 1. 1958 Topps baseball #476 Stan Musial AS ink moustache. 2. 1963 Topps baseball #125 Robin Roberts. Sent from my iPhone ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 12:22:38 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts From: Taylor Schock Long ramble... thoughtful or not is your call. Jimi's item 3 below hits well on the "lost sales" fallacy that the music industry has been promoting for years. The assumption being that 10 people sharing the same CD/song is a loss of 9 sales for that CD/song, when in reality the loss might be 1 or 2 sales AT MOST. It also doesn't take into account someone that got the CD/song for free who might not be overly familiar with the artist will now actually look for other items from that artist to BUY. Dave Mathews being a good example (as Jimi noted) and even a better example (in my opinon) where free actually increased revenue for the artist would be the Grateful Dead. (shameless plug for live music lovers - https://archive.org/browse.php?collectionetree&field%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator) So when the music "industry" claims it's about protecting the artist, they are full of crap. They are about protecting the music "industry" At the same time, the way books/reading is used is not the same as music/listening, so what works for one medium might not work in another. It's a loteasier for music to be a communal experience on a much larger scale than reading. So a different approach may be needed for dissemination and compensation to authors of books than authors of music, especially in the digital age. There are some paradigm shifts here that are being tried (digital bookrentals), but I don't have the "answer" specific to Rob's situation. To Rob: I DO understand where you are coming from and want to try and tie this in as a specific example. Banzai Babe Ruth was a great book. And I read it on loan from someone else.I intended to get a copy from you but essentially "just never got around to it". This is a similar situation for many new books I would like to read.(I got a ton of books already of all types that I have not read, so I now try to limit new purchases to those I KNOW I will read immediately). Had itnot been for the loaner, I would have missed my "window of interest" and may never have gotten around to an actual purchase of the book anyway. So you may not really have lost a sale to me getting that loaner. But it did allow me to enjoy the book (when I took time to read it), AND piqued my interest in future writings that you might have. So even though it wasn't a sale on BBB, there could be sales on future writings. So what SHOULD I have done? I SHOULD have at least sent you $5 directly. (I've always been a proponent of directly compensating the artist, when possible, and I SHOULD have put my money where my mouth was in this case). I understand that doesn't show up in sales numbers, which could then impact future contracts, but especially in the digital age, there has to be something between a self-published free blog type of writing and a hardcover book. Please understand, I am NOT trying to say you are doing anything wrong (in publishing). And I personally prefer BOOKS (as opposed to digital) for longer reading. Just trying to add some to why I don't think sharing is a bad thing. CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: robfitts@optimum.net From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:27:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughtsplease Rob and all, I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead oftime. However consider this: 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, wrap itup and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's purchased eventually by someone else. 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it and I love it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to another 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallica who tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the point, I hope. I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; I'msimply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I hopeyou can understand that. Thank you! Sent from my iPad On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: some thoughts1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers isgood. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. As an author, I=92m rather opposed to the =93lending library=94 idea prosedby Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write abaseball book. Please think about that- that=92s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=92t even coverexpenses when I write a book, let alone make back my =93lost=94 salary if I had a real job. Passing on a book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult profession. So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever Rob Fitts e: A new idea for OBCThu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657With the book have to be published before 1980? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > Here's the vision: > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:02:45 -0700 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How about those Orioles!! From: EEK Your O's are in the cat bird seat that's for sure. You guys will have to fumigate the visitors dugout and bullpen after the Tigers stunk them up the last couple days. What a disaster. Insult to injury was one time Tiger Delmon Young's first pitch 3 run double. I have to admit the TBS sign some O's fans held up was in fact "Very Funny"! Sad and true but funny none the less! "we keep what we give away!" On Friday, October 3, 2014 3:56 PM, "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" 8th inning blues for my Tiger friends--on to Detroit. peter mead ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 14:56:51 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read From: Brandon Wax I love the book trading idea, and have several baseball and other sports books that ive read and now taking up space on my bookshelf. I'd love to pass them along to like-minded fans to enjoy. Just let me know when/where to post them and i'll put a list together. Also a cool idea to sign the cover and pass it along after reading. ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:25:13 -0700 To: Rob Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read From: Edward Watts Hi guys, I apologize for weighing in late on this and also for weighing in from the OBC inactive list. Like Rob, I also am struck by the tension between getting the word out about good books and the pressure from publishers to increase initial sales. My book sales tend to hover around 2000 to 3000 copy level, but, unlike Rob, I feel the financial impact less because I also teach. But I have also noticed that the sales volume and buying pattern has changed very much in the last 5 to 10 years--and both publishers and authors are feeling Could I suggest something? Perhaps when an OBC member publishes a book on baseball (and not on, say, Roman history like I do), we could do something like collectively buying a batch of the books during pre-release to pump up the Amazon rating and support the launch of the book. That is the most important thing from a publisher's standpoints and it would really help the authors in the group generate more sales. I'm sure the authors would be happy to autograph these books for whoever buys them. These could then be distributed throughout the group either through the book exchange or in the traditional ROAK way. This initial burst of sales would both help authors get attention and also convince publishers that these books remain economically viable things to continue to publish. It doesn't take many advanced sales to push a book into the top thousand orhigher in the Amazon ranking. If we coordinated this, it would really helpthe launch of these books--and their continued production. Just my two cents... Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > some thoughts > 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. > As an author, I=E2=99m rather opposed to the =E2=9Clending library=E2=9D idea prosed by Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write a baseball book. Please think about that- that=E2=99s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=E2=99t even cover expenses when I write a book, let alonemake back my =E2=9Clost=E2=9D salary if I had a real job. Passing ona book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult > So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever > Rob Fitts > www.RobFitts.com > e: A new idea for OBC > Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 > With the book have to be published before 1980? > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > > > Hey guys, > > > > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly,Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > > > > Here's the vision: > > > > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to othermembers as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that eachbook has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not onthe page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > > > > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > > > > Jimi > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ================= Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 18:41:08 -0400 To: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts From: Rob Fitts Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable I certainly like that idea! (-: Ed, did you know that I started out as an archaeologist? My phd was in historical archaeology of North America On Oct 3, 2014, at 6:25 PM, Edward Watts wrote: > Hi guys, > I apologize for weighing in late on this and also for weighing in from the OBC inactive list. Like Rob, I also am struck by the tension between getting the word out about good books and the pressure from publishers to increase initial sales. My book sales tend to hover around 2000 to 3000 copy level, but, unlike Rob, I feel the financial impact less because I also teach. But I have also noticed that the sales volume and buying pattern has changed very much in the last 5 to 10 years--and both publishers and authors are feeling it. > Could I suggest something? Perhaps when an OBC member publishes a book onbaseball (and not on, say, Roman history like I do), we could do somethinglike collectively buying a batch of the books during pre-release to pump up the Amazon rating and support the launch of the book. That is the most important thing from a publisher's standpoints and it would really help the authors in the group generate more sales. I'm sure the authors would be happy to autograph these books for whoever buys them. These could then be distributed throughout the group either through the book exchange or in the traditional ROAK way. This initial burst of sales would both help authors get attention and also convince publishers that these books remain economicallyviable things to continue to publish. > It doesn't take many advanced sales to push a book into the top thousand or higher in the Amazon ranking. If we coordinated this, it would really help the launch of these books--and their continued production. > Just my two cents... > Ed Watts > Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2014, at 7:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: >> some thoughts >> 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. >> As an author, I=92m rather opposed to the =93lending library=94 idea prosed by Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write a baseball book. Please think about that- that=92s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=92t even cover expenses when I write a book, let alone make back my =93lost=94 salary if I had a real job. Passing on a book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult profession. >> So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever >> Rob Fitts >> www.RobFitts.com >> e: A new idea for OBC >> Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657 >> With the book have to be published before 1980? >> Sent from my iPhone >> > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> > >> > Hey guys, >> > >> > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. >> > >> > Here's the vision: >> > >> > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. >> > >> > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! >> > >> > Jimi >> > >> > Sent from my iPad >> > >> > ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:31:13 -0700 To: Taylor Schock Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read From: Edward Watts Hi Taylor, Just a quick response to this. I don't know as much about commercial publishing, so this may not be relevant. But in the academic market each list or subject area is supposed to be self-supporting. So if sports history books represent a list, and they collectively don't sell enough, the press will shut the list down and no more books like them will be published by that press. What's happened recently is that many small presses are shutting down lately and many others are becoming more specialized by cutting down the number of lists they produce. It's important for us, if we like baseball history books, to support the presses that continue to publish them by sustaining their list. In this case, because baseball history doesn't generate manyhuge bestsellers, a better comparison would be with a blues artist and a niche record label than with a group like the Grateful Dead and a major record Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:22 AM, "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Long ramble... thoughtful or not is your call. > Jimi's item 3 below hits well on the "lost sales" fallacy that the music industry has been promoting for years. The assumption being that 10 people sharing the same CD/song is a loss of 9 sales for that CD/song, when in reality the loss might be 1 or 2 sales AT MOST. It also doesn't take into account someone that got the CD/song for free who might not be overly familiar with the artist will now actually look for other items from that artist to BUY. Dave Mathews being a good example (as Jimi noted) and even a better example (in my opinon) where free actually increased revenue for the artist would be the Grateful Dead. (shameless plug for live music lovers - https://archive.org/browse.php?collectionetree&field%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator) > So when the music "industry" claims it's about protecting the artist, they are full of crap. They are about protecting the music "industry" > At the same time, the way books/reading is used is not the same as music/listening, so what works for one medium might not work in another. It's a lot easier for music to be a communal experience on a much larger scale thanreading. So a different approach may be needed for dissemination and compensation to authors of books than authors of music, especially in the digital age. There are some paradigm shifts here that are being tried (digital book rentals), but I don't have the "answer" specific to Rob's situation. > To Rob: I DO understand where you are coming from and want to try and tiethis in as a specific example. > Banzai Babe Ruth was a great book. And I read it on loan from someone else. I intended to get a copy from you but essentially "just never got aroundto it". This is a similar situation for many new books I would like to read. (I got a ton of books already of all types that I have not read, so I now try to limit new purchases to those I KNOW I will read immediately). Had it not been for the loaner, I would have missed my "window of interest" andmay never have gotten around to an actual purchase of the book anyway. So you may not really have lost a sale to me getting that loaner. > But it did allow me to enjoy the book (when I took time to read it), AND piqued my interest in future writings that you might have. So even though it wasn't a sale on BBB, there could be sales on future writings. > So what SHOULD I have done? I SHOULD have at least sent you $5 directly. (I've always been a proponent of directly compensating the artist, when possible, and I SHOULD have put my money where my mouth was in this case). I understand that doesn't show up in sales numbers, which could then impact future contracts, but especially in the digital age, there has to be something between a self-published free blog type of writing and a hardcover book. > Please understand, I am NOT trying to say you are doing anything wrong (in publishing). And I personally prefer BOOKS (as opposed to digital) for longer reading. Just trying to add some to why I don't think sharing is a badthing. > Regards, > Taylor > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > To: robfitts@optimum.net > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:27:58 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts please read > Rob and all, > I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead of time. However consider this: > 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, wrap it up and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's purchased eventually by someone else. > 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it and Ilove it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to another > 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallicawho tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the point, I hope. > I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; I'm simply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I hope you can understand that. Thank you! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > some thoughts > 1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers is good. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. > As an author, I=E2=99m rather opposed to the =E2=9Clending library=E2=9D idea prosed by Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write a baseball book. Please think about that- that=E2=99s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=E2=99t even cover expenses when I write a book, let alonemake back my =E2=9Clost=E2=9D salary if I had a real job. Passing ona book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult > So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever > Rob Fitts > www.RobFitts.com > e: A new idea for OBC > Thu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by: > "Gary Mandell" topcat657 > With the book have to be published before 1980? > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > > > > Hey guys, > > > > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly,Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > > > > Here's the vision: > > > > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to othermembers as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that eachbook has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not onthe page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > > > > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > > > > Jimi > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > > ================= To: Edward Watts Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 20:18:40 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughts From: Taylor Schock Appreciate the response. And I don't know much about commercial publishing either beyond understanding that pre-sales and past sales can affect an author's financial position when producing a book. The Grateful Dead (and maybe even the Dave Mathews band) would have thrivedwithout the backing of a major record label. In fact, they could have probably done so easier today with access to the internet as a means of gettingthe message out. They sure promoted the hell out of touring and ignored their records. Their music model and success was based on PLAYING the music, and not composing/recording/selling it. Jerry's outlook was that once the note leaves my guitar, it's not mine anymore. Hippy-dippy outlook? Maybe. But the point I was trying to make is that the Dead didn't need the music "industry" model to thrive and they did so against that model. I KNOW that it's different for writers, but over time, publishing physical books will become a niche market in and of itself, regardless of genre. Relying on the publication of a "physical" book is similar to relying on the production of music through the old music "industry". Today there is less ofa need for a middle-man to get your message out, both as a musician and a writer. Publishers are bemoaning THEIR losses. Not to mention that people actually read less these days, which means it's going to make it harder in the Again, to be clear, I'm not saying to avoid the publication of a physical book, just that it really might not be the most effective method as there are other methods today that weren't around when the printing press was basicthe only method. CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 16:31:13 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughtsplease Hi Taylor,Just a quick response to this. I don't know as much about commercial publishing, so this may not be relevant. But in the academic market each list or subject area is supposed to be self-supporting. So if sports history books represent a list, and they collectively don't sell enough, the press will shut the list down and no more books like them will be published by that press. What's happened recently is that many small presses are shutting down lately and many others are becoming more specialized by cutting down the number of lists they produce. It's important for us, if we like baseball history books, to support the presses that continue to publish them bysustaining their list. In this case, because baseball history doesn't generate many huge bestsellers, a better comparison would be with a blues artist and a niche record label than with a group like the Grateful Dead and a major record company. Sent from my iPhone On Oct 3, 2014, at 9:22 AM, "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Long ramble... thoughtful or not is your call. Jimi's item 3 below hits well on the "lost sales" fallacy that the music industry has been promoting for years. The assumption being that 10 people sharing the same CD/song is a loss of 9 sales for that CD/song, when in reality the loss might be 1 or 2 sales AT MOST. It also doesn't take into account someone that got the CD/song for free who might not be overly familiar with the artist will now actually look for other items from that artist to BUY. Dave Mathews being a good example (as Jimi noted) and even a better example (in my opinon) where free actually increased revenue for the artist would be the Grateful Dead. (shameless plug for live music lovers - https://archive.org/browse.php?collectionetree&field%2Fmetadata%2Fcreator) So when the music "industry" claims it's about protecting the artist, they are full of crap. They are about protecting the music "industry" At the same time, the way books/reading is used is not the same as music/listening, so what works for one medium might not work in another. It's a loteasier for music to be a communal experience on a much larger scale than reading. So a different approach may be needed for dissemination and compensation to authors of books than authors of music, especially in the digital age. There are some paradigm shifts here that are being tried (digital bookrentals), but I don't have the "answer" specific to Rob's situation. To Rob: I DO understand where you are coming from and want to try and tie this in as a specific example. Banzai Babe Ruth was a great book. And I read it on loan from someone else.I intended to get a copy from you but essentially "just never got around to it". This is a similar situation for many new books I would like to read.(I got a ton of books already of all types that I have not read, so I now try to limit new purchases to those I KNOW I will read immediately). Had itnot been for the loaner, I would have missed my "window of interest" and may never have gotten around to an actual purchase of the book anyway. So you may not really have lost a sale to me getting that loaner. But it did allow me to enjoy the book (when I took time to read it), AND piqued my interest in future writings that you might have. So even though it wasn't a sale on BBB, there could be sales on future writings. So what SHOULD I have done? I SHOULD have at least sent you $5 directly. (I've always been a proponent of directly compensating the artist, when possible, and I SHOULD have put my money where my mouth was in this case). I understand that doesn't show up in sales numbers, which could then impact future contracts, but especially in the digital age, there has to be something between a self-published free blog type of writing and a hardcover book. Please understand, I am NOT trying to say you are doing anything wrong (in publishing). And I personally prefer BOOKS (as opposed to digital) for longer reading. Just trying to add some to why I don't think sharing is a bad thing. CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: robfitts@optimum.net From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:27:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC book club some thoughtsplease Rob and all, I see your point, and certainly this is not something I considered ahead oftime. However consider this: 1) This is not illegal. Although it may seem "immoral" in your eyes to do it, it is not illegal. In my eyes, this is the same concept as me purchasing a book for my mom for Christmas. I buy the book, don't read it, wrap itup and give to her for Christmas. After she is done, my dad might read it. She might even pass it on to a colleague or my brother. This is all we are doing; passing on a good book. Somewhere along the lines, someone mentions through word of mouth how good it is, and then it's purchased eventually by someone else. 2) Much like a good movie at the theater or even a rental, if it's good, I'll buy it for my own collection. If Bob sends me a book, I read it and I love it...I'll go buy one for myself after I send the first copy out to another 3) Also, I believe this is a good way to help promote great literature. I remember reading an article about the Dave Mathews Band, unlike Metallica who tried to sue the planet, actually encouraged fans to create bootleg copies and pass them along to their friends. Word spread, and in the end, the Dave Mathews Band became one of the all-time selling live acts in history. I'm not saying make bootleg copies of books, but you get the point, I hope. I'm not trying to start a club that takes away from an author's wallet; I'msimply wanting to spread great sports literature around the group. I hopeyou can understand that. Thank you! Sent from my iPad On Oct 3, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: some thoughts1- the idea of sending read books OBC style to other OBCers isgood. I have plenty of baseball books that I would like to clean out. As an author, I=92m rather opposed to the =93lending library=94 idea prosedby Jimi. Passing a singe copy through the OBC ranks undermines all baseball authors and I feel is almost immoral. It takes me 3 years of full time writing plus between $5000 and $10,000 of out of pocket expenses to write abaseball book. Please think about that- that=92s between $100,000 to $200,000 of lost wages plus out of pockets. I make about $1 per book in royalties and sell about 5000 copies. In other words, I often don=92t even coverexpenses when I write a book, let alone make back my =93lost=94 salary if I had a real job. Passing on a book through OBC would reduce sales significantly in an already difficult profession. So, please support your favorite baseball writings and purchase copies whenever Rob Fitts e: A new idea for OBCThu Oct 2, 2014 2:35 pm (PDT) . Posted by:"Gary Mandell" topcat657With the book have to be published before 1980? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 2, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Hey guys, > So here's something I've had on my mind for awhile, and quite honestly, Bob D'Angelo is the inspiration behind this since he has sent me so many books over the years. > Here's the vision: > I'd like to introduce a side "club", if you will, of OBC, perhaps called "OBC-BC" or "OBC Book Club". What I envision is a group of avid sports readers who would welcome the idea of passing books that they finish to other members as surprises. Inside the front cover on the first blank page, or title page or something, I pictured us autographing the book and dating it before sending it on to the next reader. Then you can see the path that each book has taken, and you simply pass it to a member of OBC-BC who is not on the page. There would be no pressure in how long it takes to read the book, but maybe just try to keep the book no longer than a month. Make sense? Also, since mailing books is considered media mail, it's also cheaper. > We could have another server dedicated to it so only those who were interested would have to see the emails. Just a thought guys, and please let me know what you think! > Jimi > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 23:00:46 -0400 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 90 year old footage from the '24 World Series From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en 90 years later, it's still baseball and still the greatest game! In a message dated 10/3/2014 10:45:05 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com writes: Cool footage from the last game of the 1924 World Series. _Watch Newly Discovered Footage Of D.C.'s 1924 World Series Walk-Off Win_ (http://deadspin.com/watch-newly-discovered-footage-of-d-c-s-1924-world-seri- (http://deadspin.com/watch-newly-discovered-footage-of-d-c-s-1924-world-seri-1641710800) _Watch Newly Discovered Footage Of D.C.'s 1924 Wor... _ (http://deadspin.com/watch-newly-discovered-footage-of-d-c-s-1924-world-seri-1641710800) It is, the Library of Congress swears, entirely coincidence that four minutes of f ootage from the 1924 World Series--pitting the Senators against the Giants... _View on d eadspin.com _ (http://deadspin.com/watch-newly-discovered-footage-of-d-c-s-1924-world-seri-1641710800) Preview by Yahoo ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:39:25 -0400 Subject: Books From: bdangelo@aol.com Hi gang, I believe Ed has hit on the perfect compromise regarding the sticking pointabout the book club and how it affects our OBC authors. Ed, what are some of your titles published, or should I just Google them? Rob of course, is coming out with a another book next spring, and if it's anywhere near to "Banzai, Babe Ruth," it's gonna be something. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:55:10 -0700 To: "bdangelo@aol.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Books From: Edward Watts Hi Bob, Thanks for asking! I have two books that are out and one that is coming inJanuary (but can be pre-ordered now). The first, City and School in Late Antique Athens and Alexandria, (http://www.amazon.com/City-School-Antique-Athens-Alexandria/dp/0520258169/refsr_= 1_2?sbooks&ieUTF8&qid1412441112&sr1-2) shows that later Roman Christians were not opposed to philosophy, literature, and Classical learning (which goes against what most people have thought) but instead studied and enjoyed all of those things. The second book, Riot in Alexandria, (http://www.amazon.com/Riot-Alexandria-Tradition-Christian-Communities/dp/0520262077/refsr_1_3?sbooks&ie= UTF8&qid1412441333&sr1-3) looked at a riot in which Christians and pagans fought about the role of religion in Alexandria. The third book, The Final Pagan Generation (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Generation-Transformation-Classical-Heritage/dp/0520283708/refsr_1_1?sbo= oks&ieUTF8&qid1412441388&sr1-1) looks at the generation of people born at the time of the emperor Constantine's conversion in the 310s AD andhow their reaction to Christianity differed from that of their children. It uses the comparison of the 1960s to show that the generation of the 310swas like the Greatest Generation and they understood what was going on in their children's minds about as well as the Greatest Generation understood the baby boomers. There's even a short discussion of Grace Slick, the Archies, and Woodstock in the Introduction. As you can probably tell, this is by far my favorite of the 3... Of course, I would be overjoyed if anyone was interested in them... On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:39 AM, "bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Hi gang, I believe Ed has hit on the perfect compromise regarding the sticking pointabout the book club and how it affects our OBC authors. Ed, what are some of your titles published, or should I just Google them? Rob of course, is coming out with a another book next spring, and if it's anywhere near to "Banzai, Babe Ruth," it's gonna be something. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 09:55:31 -0700 To: "bdangelo@aol.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Books From: Edward Watts Hi Bob, Thanks for asking! I have two books that are out and one that is coming inJanuary (but can be pre-ordered now). The first, City and School in Late Antique Athens and Alexandria, (http://www.amazon.com/City-School-Antique-Athens-Alexandria/dp/0520258169/refsr_= 1_2?sbooks&ieUTF8&qid1412441112&sr1-2) shows that later Roman Christians were not opposed to philosophy, literature, and Classical learning (which goes against what most people have thought) but instead studied and enjoyed all of those things. The second book, Riot in Alexandria, (http://www.amazon.com/Riot-Alexandria-Tradition-Christian-Communities/dp/0520262077/refsr_1_3?sbooks&ie= UTF8&qid1412441333&sr1-3) looked at a riot in which Christians and pagans fought about the role of religion in Alexandria. The third book, The Final Pagan Generation (http://www.amazon.com/Final-Generation-Transformation-Classical-Heritage/dp/0520283708/refsr_1_1?sbo= oks&ieUTF8&qid1412441388&sr1-1) looks at the generation of people born at the time of the emperor Constantine's conversion in the 310s AD andhow their reaction to Christianity differed from that of their children. It uses the comparison of the 1960s to show that the generation of the 310swas like the Greatest Generation and they understood what was going on in their children's minds about as well as the Greatest Generation understood the baby boomers. There's even a short discussion of Grace Slick, the Archies, and Woodstock in the Introduction. As you can probably tell, this is by far my favorite of the 3... Of course, I would be overjoyed if anyone was interested in them... On Saturday, October 4, 2014 6:39 AM, "bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Hi gang, I believe Ed has hit on the perfect compromise regarding the sticking pointabout the book club and how it affects our OBC authors. Ed, what are some of your titles published, or should I just Google them? Rob of course, is coming out with a another book next spring, and if it's anywhere near to "Banzai, Babe Ruth," it's gonna be something. ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:50:08 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Married into the Ruel clan - yes, THAT Ruel clan From: Jim Silva I am a very happy man. The woman I dated in college 32 years ago agreed to marry me. We made it official on September 20th and I am now MR. Silva! ;-)Cesca and I have been dating for a bit over a year and a half (this time) - she has a great family and they have accepted me with excitement, which means a lot to me as my family has dwindled at light speed over the last 15 years.Here's the funny part. She is the granddaughter of Herold Dominic (Muddy) Ruel and for some reason that didn't come up the first time we dated. She claims that she told me, but I am PRETTY SURE I would remember that! Since we started back up, I have been searching for anything Muddy and the recent posting by Sal of the 1924 WS video is going to be an amazing hit with the family (thanks Sal!). Cesca already had a decent collection but I am hoping to turn it into the best Muddy Ruel collection in the world (shouldn't be too hard). Her dad passed this year, but I was fortunate enough to meet him and spend time with him last Christmas. Her uncle and I have talked baseball a few times and he has shared stories about meeting Ty Cobb and a few others. He has the 1924 World Series pin his dad won along with the 1948 Cleveland Indians WS ring that Muddy won as a coach.Cesca has encouraged my collecting and I now have a card room in our new house! (So lucky!)I am looking for pretty much anything related to Muddy and the teams he played/coached for. If you have something that you would be willing to part with, please let me know and I will try to work something out with you. I found (and framed) a photo of the Senators at the White House meeting the president in 1924 after their victory - Muddy is standing there, hat in hand, with a huge smile. I LOVE that picture and so does Cesca. I have also founda few photos, magazine pics, and photos of players he coached - Satchel Paige to give you and idea of what I am looking for. She and I have found several of his cards and the goal is to have one of each for each of her two girls and maybe a couple more to share with the family.I am including two photos from our wedding weekend. Thanks for reading!Jim "El Fuego" Silva #25 ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 19:45:12 -0400 To: woobies25@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Married into the Ruel clan - yes, THAT Ruel clan [2 Attac... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en The baseball favors were awesome! I wish I had thought of that when I got married 10/25/86... oh yeah, that's the day Buckner kicked the ball! In a message dated 10/4/2014 3:50:14 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0e7c1940/default.html#TopText) from Jim Silva included below] I am a very happy man. The woman I dated in college 32 years ago agreed to marry me. We made it official on September 20th and I am now MR. Silva! ;-) Cesca and I have been dating for a bit over a year and a half (this time) - she has a great family and they have accepted me with excitement, which means a lot to me as my family has dwindled at light speed over the last 15 Here's the funny part. She is the granddaughter of Herold Dominic (Muddy) Ruel and for some reason that didn't come up the first time we dated. She claims that she told me, but I am PRETTY SURE I would remember that! Since we started back up, I have been searching for anything Muddy and the recent posting by Sal of the 1924 WS video is going to be an amazing hit with the family (thanks Sal!). Cesca already had a decent collection but I am hoping to turn it into the best Muddy Ruel collection in the world (shouldn't be too hard). Her dad passed this year, but I was fortunate enough to meet him and spend time with him last Christmas. Her uncle and I have talked baseball a few times and he has shared stories about meeting Ty Cobb and afew others. He has the 1924 World Series pin his dad won along with the 1948 Cleveland Indians WS ring that Muddy won as a coach. Cesca has encouraged my collecting and I now have a card room in our new house! (So lucky!) I am looking for pretty much anything related to Muddy and the teams he played/coached for. If you have something that you would be willing to part with, please let me know and I will try to work something out with you. I found (and framed) a photo of the Senators at the White House meeting the presid ent in 1924 after their victory - Muddy is standing there, hat in hand, with a huge smile. I LOVE that picture and so does Cesca. I have also found a few photos, magazine pics, and photos of players he coached - Satchel Paige to give you and idea of what I am looking for. She and I have found several of his cards and the goal is to have one of each for each of her two girls and maybe a couple more to share with the family. I am including two photos from our wedding weekend. Thanks for reading! Jim "El Fuego" Silva #25 ================= To: woobies25@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 21:46:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Married into the Ruel clan - yes, THAT Ruel clan [2 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Seeing the photo of Cesca, I think you married way up. Congratulations! Iassumed the baseballs were to bean you if you tried to back out. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jim Silva woobies25@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Oct 4, 2014 3:50 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Married into the Ruel clan - yes, THAT Ruel clan [2 [Attachment(s) from Jim Silva included below] I am a very happy man. The woman I dated in college 32 years ago agreed to marry me. We made it official on September 20th and I am now MR. Silva! ;-)Cesca and I have been dating for a bit over a year and a half (this time) - she has a great family and they have accepted me with excitement, which means a lot to me as my family has dwindled at light speed over the last 15 years. Here's the funny part. She is the granddaughter of Herold Dominic (Muddy) Ruel and for some reason that didn't come up the first time we dated. She claims that she told me, but I am PRETTY SURE I would remember that! Since westarted back up, I have been searching for anything Muddy and the recent posting by Sal of the 1924 WS video is going to be an amazing hit with the family (thanks Sal!). Cesca already had a decent collection but I am hopingto turn it into the best Muddy Ruel collection in the world (shouldn't be too hard). Her dad passed this year, but I was fortunate enough to meet himand spend time with him last Christmas. Her uncle and I have talked baseball a few times and he has shared stories about meeting Ty Cobb and a few others. He has the 1924 World Series pin his dad won along with the 1948 Cleveland Indians WS ring that Muddy won as a coach. Cesca has encouraged my collecting and I now have a card room in our new house! (So lucky!) I am looking for pretty much anything related to Muddy andthe teams he played/coached for. If you have something that you would be willing to part with, please let me know and I will try to work something out with you. I found (and framed) a photo of the Senators at the White Housemeeting the presid ent in 1924 after their victory - Muddy is standing there, hat in hand, with a huge smile. I LOVE that picture and so does Cesca. I have also found a few photos, magazine pics, and photos of players he coached - Satchel Paige to give you and idea of what I am looking for. She andI have found several of his cards and the goal is to have one of each for each of her two girls and maybe a couple more to share with the family. I am including two photos from our wedding weekend. Thanks for reading! Jim "El Fuego" Silva #25 ================= Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 22:05:58 -0400 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why did Matt Williams take out Zimmerman From: Doug I hadn't seen that commercial of Pete Rose in "the hall" before......I thought it was funny! Sent from my iPad On Oct 4, 2014, at 9:02 PM, "hoot_owl1@verizon.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > The ever changing strike zone by the home plate umpire is also a disservice to the game. Egad. > On 10/04/14, hoot_owl1@verizon.net wrote: > What a complete bone-headed rookie manager mistake. Zimmerman was dominant for 8 2/3 innings, walks a batter and is taken out. You simply knew the Giants were going to tie it up. > And I'm not even a Nationals fan--rooting for the Orioles this year (and probably any year). > peter mead ================= Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 10:41:33 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Books From: Rob Fitts Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT thanks Bob Mashi will be officially published in March/April of 2015 but will go on pre-sale around the New Year. I also expect to do a Kickstarter campaign that will offer copies signed by Mashi. We have no plans of coming to Baltimore/DC but we will be in NYC next July 1bRe: Books Sat Oct 4, 2014 6:41 am (PDT) . Posted by:psihoot Will you let us know when (and where) we can pre-order your book--and will you be doing any book signings in the WDC/Baltimore area? peter mead On 10/04/14, bdangelo@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Hi gang, I believe Ed has hit on the perfect compromise regarding the sticking point about the book club and how it affects our OBC authors. Ed, what are some of your titles published, or should I just Google them? Rob of course, is coming out with a another book next spring, and if it's anywhere near to "Banzai, Babe Ruth," it's gonna be something. ================= To: Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 18:38:34 -0400 Subject: want to start 69T baseball From: "Mark Holland" Someone posted a note the other day about starting a 69T baseball set. AndI remember Jimi T saying that the high numbers were "cake". Assuming thatmeant easy to find, I looked in my dupes box thinking that I might start one too. Unfortunately my dupes box only has about 10 69T cards that were too rough to be shared with OBC (that's a grade in itself) so I gave up on the idea. But more than a week has passed and I still have that urge to buildthe set. I haven't seen those cards in a long time and would like to revisit the memories of opening them as a kid when my parents bought me a box for After looking thru the dupes box again I saw 300-400 '71T baseball just waiting to be shared. These are OBC grade too but would be a great addition to an OBC ' 71 set. I can do a few lots of 72 and 73 in similar condition too. This is a long ramble saying that I am looking to build the 69T baseball set and will send return starter lots of other years whenever possible. Thanks for reading. LMK what you may want from the late 60s & 70s. Condition sensitive need not reply, sorry. Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 08:23:59 -0700 To: OBCRamblings Subject: How many cards do you own? From: EEK I was recently asked that question by a friend who was seeing my collection for the first time. My answer was "not a clue!" I think I recall a discussion on this very subject. I'm curious if there were any projections about the contents of an average OBC collection. Since the bulk of my collection is team and specific players and not complete sets I find the prospects of coming up with a realistic estimate overwhelming. If I could get an estimated number for the average collection I could go from there. On the other hand it might be fun to go through my collection and land upon an estimate, however I don't think that without a formula of some kind, I have enough time in my "random entertainment budget" to complete the task before one or both of us expire. Any thoughts? Earl Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:26:27 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Who collects skeds? From: Jake Elwell Now that it's youth hockey season again I'll be traveling around the northeast a bit. I always keep an eye out for skeds so LMK who's interested in getting ones I pick up. Right now I only target Taylor and John Stamper but there may be others and I'd be glad to add to this list -- just speak up! --Jake Elwell ================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 13:32:37 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Speaking of books, here is a book waiver wire From: Jake Elwell I keep an occasionally updated list of baseball books I have available -- some I have read and don't need to keep, some I picked up out in the wild and some came to me via work. I usually look to trade or sell (only to cover postage) but I'm glad to offer these to OBC brethren on a WAIVER WIRE basis. FCFS and don't forget your mailing address. I do a lot of book hunting so let me know if there are subjects you are especially keen on or have specific books you are looking for. Jake Elwell RED SOX ESSENTIAL: Everything You Need to Know to be a Real Fan by Jim Prime. Hardcover in dust jacket PETE ROSE: MY STORY by Pete Rose with Roger Kahn HC/DJ THE WAY IT IS by Curt Flood with Richard Carter HC/DJ Ex-Library HOME OF THE GAME: The Story of Camden Yards by Thom Loverro HC/DJ THE LAST HERO: A Life of Henry Aaron by Howard Bryant - hardcover without DJ THE MICK by Mickey Mantle - HC without DJ OL DIZ by Vince Staten HC/DJ TED WILLIAMS by Leigh Montville hardcover in dust jacket THE TEAMMATES by David Halberstam hardcover in dust jacket -- Williams, D. DiMaggio, Pesky & Doerr TED WILLIAMS AND JOE DIMAGGIO by Dom Forker HC/DJ CRAZY 08 by Cate Murphy - hardcover in dust jacket THE BOYS OF SUMMER by Roger Kahn - vintage mass market paperback - appears unread TEMPORARY INSANITY by Jay Johnstone - mass market paperback SOX AND THE CITY by Richard Roeper -- unread trade paperback - recently published. Chicago White Sox THE BULLPEN GOSPELS by Dirk Hayhurst -- travels thru major & minor leagues.Unread trade paperback BASEBALL WHEN THE GRASS WAS REAL by Donald Honig - mass market paperback THE TED WILLIAMS READER Edited by Lawrence Baldassaro. Collection of writings about The Kid. Clean trade paperback NOT BASEBALL DON'T BE DENIED: MY STORY by M.L. Carr with Bob Schron, intro by Red Auerbach. Autobio of Boston Celtics star. SIGNED by Carr (gift inscribed) HONDO: Celtic Man in Motion by John Havlicek and Bob Ryan hardcover in dustjacket. Bio of Boston Celtics star. COUSY by Bill Reynolds. Unread mass market paperback. Bio of Bob Cousy by esteemed New England journalist. THE SAN FRANCISCO 49ERS: Team of the Decade by Michael Tuckman & Jeff Schultz. Hardcover in dust jacket. Published in 1989 during the glory years. ================= Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 22:34:35 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Bob Neill's wantlist has returned From: It's not very pretty, but I finally managed to get a half hour (after ordering a new condensate pump (I didn't even know they existed until mine went on the fritz!) for the heater). I went with Google for now. I hope to make it more presentable, but at least it has the key information--those well worn pieces of cardboard that we all love, yet have so far eluded me. I apologize for how long it took me to replace the one Time Warner decided to drop, but life seems to intrude way to much! ================= Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 01:58:53 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Ramblings From: ChicoD1@aol.com Anyone thinking of attending the "Long Island National" Oct 25/26th ? I am pretty much planning on going, but somehow any card show I go to after attending so many real Nationals just isn't the same. Nonetheless, I'm sure there will be some of our dealers there. I'm trying to get a list to see if any of "our guys" will be there... http://www.nyshows.org/hofstra-show/ ================= To: jelwell8@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 06:51:23 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects skeds? From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Mark Talbot and I also collect skeds. Save postage and can send multiples to either of us and we will get them to each other. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Jake Elwell jelwell8@earthlink.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 7, 2014 1:26 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects skeds? Now that it's youth hockey season again I'll be traveling around the northeast a bit. I always keep an eye out for skeds so LMK who's interested in getting ones I pick up. Right now I only target Taylor and John Stamper but there may be others and I'd be glad to add to this list -- just speak up! --Jake Elwell ================= To: Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:19:15 -0500 Subject: Re: How many cards do you own? From: "George Vrechek" Earl asked about the survey of cards owned. I polled OBCers several months ago and got information on vintage cards owned in various sports. The results are mentioned in a 5-part SCD article that started running this week. The entire article will wind up on our library page once it runs in SCD. In the meantime, if you want a copy of the text and graphs, email me and I'll send it. One answer is that I found that vintage baseball card collections among 31 members averaged 17,000 cards. A realistic goal for vintage singles in all sports might be around 40,000 cards. A few of our members have shot beyond that level. If you don't have sets and don't want to count them, you could stack them up and measure them (being careful to remove the rubber bands). Count how many cards per one inch and derive an estimated total. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 14:58:21 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: '56 Topps Football Collectors: From: Larry Tipton 1956 Topps football unnumbered checklist card available. Checked boxes. Creased. Ripped in half. Taped back together in 1956. I actually have two extras in similar condition. Message out to Patrick Prickett if you need one ofthese it's yours (six months ago we were sending cards back and forth every week now it's been awhile) so I have one possibly two available. LMK ================= Date: 08 Oct 2014 14:46:22 -0700 To: Subject: Sugar Daddy cards available From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 18:51:53 -0500 To: "" Subject: Fwd: OBC contact From: TJ Valacak Hi gang, I received the email below from Mike McCann. He has a buddy who has picked up some OBC material (detailed below), and will be setting up at some upcoming. Mike asked me if I can notify the group, so...... See below Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: Mike McCann > Date: October 8, 2014 at 3:07:56 PM CDT > To: tvalacak@comcast.net > Subject: OBC contact > TJ, > I hope all is well with you and your recovery. I was hoping you could do me a favor. A good friend of mine, Greg Tatich, is the guy I travel tothe national shows with, just picked up a rather large collection of vintage through the 80's. He has a lot of cards the OBC guys will be looking forand in the rough shape they desire as well. Some examples are about 15-20 1948 leaf baseball that are f-g, about 35 1948 bowman football, same with 1948 bowman baseball, and a ton of other stuff. Some 1933 goudeys and 1941 goudeys. I would appreciate it if you could please notify the OBC group about Greg and let them know he will be at the following shows: > Chantilly > Oaks > Boston Shriners > Thank you very much for your help. Again, I hope all is well with you andyour family. I hope to see you soon at a show! > Your friend, > Mike McCann > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 0:14:40 +0000 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Muddy Ruel and the Hall of Fame From: My wife and I had a few days off this week. She "out of the blue" suggested a jaunt to Cooperstown - I reluctantly agreed...... I thought you folks (and particularly the OBC newlywed Mr. Silva) might appreciate the attached photo - part of the display on baseball in the 20s. And the second photo is just for the laughs... Bill Malson ================= To: , Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:35:29 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Muddy Ruel and the Hall of Fame [2 Attachments] From: "Grant Rainsley" And we can all figure out just HOW reluctant you were................. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of malsman250@neo.rr.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: October-08-14 5:15 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Muddy Ruel and the Hall of Fame [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from malsman250@neo.rr.com included below] My wife and I had a few days off this week. She "out of the blue" suggesteda jaunt to Cooperstown - I reluctantly agreed...... I thought you folks (and particularly the OBC newlywed Mr. Silva) might appreciate the attached photo - part of the display on baseball in the 20s. And the second photo is just for the laughs... Bill Malson ================= Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 06:23:45 -0700 To: Nick Pelletier , Subject: Re: How many cards do you own? From: EEK Thanks to all who responded to my inquiry, very helpful. My Tiger sets, vintage and UV sets are easy enough to figure out it's the HOF, Stars & Favorite players that will take some time and effort, which are two things I'm not sure I want to commit to right now. Lots of irons in the fire! Earl Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" On Thursday, October 9, 2014 12:01 AM, Nick Pelletier wrote: It in an interesting question. The answers may be scary. Ive been working on answering that exact question for some time. If you are interested in keeping some tallies from multiple OBC'ers Id be more than happy to send you my wantlist. I keep my list in Microsoft Excel. The first tab is to give me just an answer to that question. I have it broken down by sport and year. It keeps track of how many cards I need and own for my sets. The only things it doesn't do are add the 1952 Mantle I need or count the stack of boxes from commons of my childhood late 80's through 90's. I've wasted, I mean spent a lot of time making this work. Id be more than happy to share it with you. It is easy enough to get numbers for certain years, sports, whatever you would like to see. Let me know, Nick Pelletier ================= To: Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 17:36:12 -0400 Subject: Shriner's Convention Wilmington MA From: "Bob Donaldson" Anyone else going to the Shriner's show at the end of the month October 31st, 2014 November 1st, 2014 November 2nd, 2014 http://gbscc.com.previewdns.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/GBSCC-Shriners-Sh Best show in these parts all year! ================= To: tvalacak@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 00:47:35 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: OBC contact From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Is anyone going to any of the shows mentioned? I am hot for 41 Goudeys. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: TJ Valacak tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Sent: Wed, Oct 8, 2014 7:51 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: OBC contact Hi gang, I received the email below from Mike McCann. He has a buddy who has picked up some OBC material (detailed below), and will be setting up at some upcoming. Mike asked me if I can notify the group, so...... See below Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Mike McCann Date: October 8, 2014 at 3:07:56 PM CDT To: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: OBC contact I hope all is well with you and your recovery. I was hoping you coulddo me a favor. A good friend of mine, Greg Tatich, is the guy I travel to the national shows with, just picked up a rather large collection of vintage through the 80's. He has a lot of cards the OBC guys will be looking forand in the rough shape they desire as well. Some examples are about 15-20 1948 leaf baseball that are f-g, about 35 1948 bowman football, same with 1948 bowman baseball, and a ton of other stuff. Some 1933 goudeys and 1941 goudeys. I would appreciate it if you could please notify the OBC group about Greg and let them know he will be at the following shows: Boston Shriners Thank you very much for your help. Again, I hope all is well with you and your family. I hope to see you soon at a show! Your friend, Mike McCann Sent from my iPad ================= To: , , Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 10:46:08 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: OBC contact From: "Matt Yudt" Hi Mike I'll def be going to the Oaks show - it's about 15-20 min from my house. I'll be happy to check out Greg's cards for you. You're list is up-to-date I presume. Let me know what kind of prices to look for - I don't get too many pre-war yet, so your guidance will help. Any other OBCer's thinking of attending? Would love to meet up and happy to hang out for some burgers and beer at my place before any long drives people may have. It's next weekend Oct 17-19 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 12:48 AM To: tvalacak@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: OBC contact Is anyone going to any of the shows mentioned? I am hot for 41 Goudeys. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: TJ Valacak tvalacak@comcast.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: Sent: Wed, Oct 8, 2014 7:51 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: OBC contact Hi gang, I received the email below from Mike McCann. He has a buddy who has picked up some OBC material (detailed below), and will be setting up at some upcoming. Mike asked me if I can notify the group, so...... See below Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: Mike McCann Date: October 8, 2014 at 3:07:56 PM CDT To: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: OBC contact I hope all is well with you and your recovery. I was hoping you could do me a favor. A good friend of mine, Greg Tatich, is the guy I travel to the national shows with, just picked up a rather large collection of vintage through the 80's. He has a lot of cards the OBC guys will be looking for and in the rough shape they desire as well. Some examples are about 15-20 1948 leaf baseball that are f-g, about 35 1948 bowman football, same with 1948 bowman baseball, and a ton of other stuff. Some 1933 goudeys and 1941 goudeys. I would appreciate it if you could please notify the OBC group about Greg and let them know he will be at the following shows: Boston Shriners Thank you very much for your help. Again, I hope all is well with you and your family. I hope to see you soon at a show! Your friend, Mike McCann Sent from my iPad ================= Date: 11 Oct 2014 10:48:52 -0700 To: Subject: Autograph Insurance Question From: mp1067@Hotmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:53:01 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Milton Bradley help From: ChicoD1@aol.com MIlton Bradley produced cards for their games in 1968 (which look like 68T) 1969, 1970, 1972. The 1970s are larger. The 1969's and 1972's are just about identical. As I put my Mets set in order, I can't find a definitive way to tell them apart. I found this, but can't make heads or tails of it. If it means the cards with RA1 they have a hit, well I found that is just not true. I think the stack I have is from 1972, but I can't be sure. HELP! The 1969 Milton Bradley Baseball Card set consist of 296 baseball cards that measure 2" x 3". These cards were part of the Milton Bradley baseball game sold that year. The front of the card features a black and white player portrait photo, with his name above the photo. The game outcomes are printed on the card backs in red, and black. The cards are typically found with perforation edges. The 1969 and 1972 Milton Bradley cards are alike. One way of distinguishing the difference is that the 1969 cards all the red digits 1 do not have a base while the 1972 red digit cards all have a base. The cards are unnumbered, and have been listed in alphabetical order. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: Jake Elwell , MarkZ , Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 19:08:36 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC From: richard dingman What is the paypal shipping site you mention? I looked on paypal and don't see any mention... Richard D To: mzentko@yahoo.com; illini_grad_90@yahoo.com CC: uthminsta@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:06:04 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC I sprang $12 for a used USPS postal scale on eBay a few years ago. Print all labels via USPS or paypal - so all outgoing OBC or eBay puffies go out with my postman -- I never go to the PO and wait in line to ship... -----Original Message----- From: "MarkZ mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Sent: Oct 3, 2014 9:16 AM To: illini_grad_90 Cc: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC The paypal shipping site does allow media mail but you would need the weight to use Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:23 AM, "illini_grad_90 illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Just so you know, you can ship books Media Mail, which is generally under $3 for smaller hard covers and paperbacks....maybe a buck more for a bigger hard cover. You have to stand in line to get the rate, as the machines don't give you that option, but it's worth it for bigger books. Take Care,Geno Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone -------- Original message --------From: "uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Date:10/02/2014 21:17 (GMT-07:00) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC I have dozens, maybe hundreds of baseball books. I have often thoughtabout a good way to disseminate them throughout the group. Much more expensive shipping than cards! I'd say anyone who wants to come by the house is welcome to borrow or keep any of them! But if you do implement something like this, let me know. I would be interested in any way I could help increase the volume! Aaron Shirley ================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:22:46 -0500 To: richard dingman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC From: MarkZ I can send you a link later tonight. It is pretty easy to use Mark Z Sent from mark z ipod On Oct 11, 2014, at 6:08 PM, "richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What is the paypal shipping site you mention? > I looked on paypal and don't see any mention... > Richard D > To: mzentko@yahoo.com; illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > CC: uthminsta@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 11:06:04 -0400 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC > I sprang $12 for a used USPS postal scale on eBay a few years ago. Print all labels via USPS or paypal - so all outgoing OBC or eBay puffies go out with my postman -- I never go to the PO and wait in line to ship... > -----Original Message----- > From: "MarkZ mzentko@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Sent: Oct 3, 2014 9:16 AM > To: illini_grad_90 > Cc: "uthminsta@hotmail.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC > The paypal shipping site does allow media mail but you would need the weight to use > Fyi > Mark Zentkovich > Sent from mark z ipod > On Oct 3, 2014, at 5:23 AM, "illini_grad_90 illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Just so you know, you can ship books Media Mail, which is generally under$3 for smaller hard covers and paperbacks....maybe a buck more for a bigger hard cover. You have to stand in line to get the rate, as the machines don't give you that option, but it's worth it for bigger books. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent via the Samsung GALAXY S=AE4, an AT&T 4G LTE smartphone > -------- Original message -------- > From: "uthminsta@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > Date:10/02/2014 21:17 (GMT-07:00) > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: A new idea for OBC > I have dozens, maybe hundreds of baseball books. I have often thought about a good way to disseminate them throughout the group. Much more expensiveshipping than cards! I'd say anyone who wants to come by the house is welcome to borrow or keep any of them! > But if you do implement something like this, let me know. I would be interested in any way I could help increase the volume! > Aaron Shirley > ______________________________________________________________________________ ================= Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 23:11:38 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Sportlots.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com I have heard about the site for a long time and decided to delve in. Are there any pitfalls I should be looking for? Also, I'm trying to search for variations, like 58T yellows. Any ideas on how I can get some results in the search engine? Seems your best bet is to get as many cards from the same seller as possible, as shipping can be hazardous to your wallet. The cool thing is I am finding a bunch of OPCs I'm looking for on the cheap. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 09:24:10 -0400 Subject: New set #1-Big T/Tastee-Freez discs From: Mac Wubben New set #1 of the day...Thanks to Andy Cook for starting me on it. Need just a few 1978 Big T/Tastee-Freez Discs 2 Palmer 6 Brock 7 Munson 9 Brett 17 Cash 18 Watson 22 Fidrych Dupes--please claim: 1 5 14 15 21 23 ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 10:10:19 -0400 Subject: New set #2--Sporting News Supplements (m101-2) From: Mac Wubben Yet another new set...anybody have any available? Here is the list... 1909 M101-2 Sporting News Supplement 1. 7/22 Roger Bresnahan; 2. 7/29 Denton Young, Louis Criger; 3. 8/5 Christopher Mathewson; 4. 8/12 Tyrus R. Cobb; 5. 8/19 Napoleon Lajoie; 6. 8/26 SherwoodN. Magee; 7. 9/2 Frank L. Chance; 9. 9/16 Nap Rucker; 10. 9/23 Honus Wagner; 11. 9/30 Hugh Jennings; 12. 10/7 Fred C. Clarke; 14. 10/21 Charles A. Comiskey;16. 11/04 James A. McAleer; 17. 11/11 Pittsburgh Team ; 18. 11/18 Detroit Team;19. 11/25 George Bell; 20. 12/02 Tris Speaker; 21. 12/09 Mordecai Brown; 22. 12/16 Hal Chase; 23. 12/23 Thomas W. Leach; 24. 12/30 Owen Bush; 1910 M101-2 Sporting News Supplement 25. 1/06 John J. Evers; 30. 2/10 Samuel E. Crawford; 31. 2/17 Fred Merkle; 32. 2/24 George Mullin; 34. 3/10 George Gibson, Arthur Raymond; 35. 3/17 Ty Cobb, Hans Wagner; 38. 4/07 Edward Plank; 39. 9/01 Walter Johnson, Charles E. Street; 41. 9/15 Frank Baker; 42. 9/22 Charles S. Dooin; 46. 10/20 Jos. B. Tinker; 51. 11/24 Philadelphia-A Team ; 52. 12/01 Chicago-N. Team ; 54. 12/15 Arthur Hofman; 55. 12/21 Bobby Wallace; 1911 M101-2 Sporting News Supplement 60. 1/26 Robert Byrnes; 66. 3/09 C. Harris White; 68. 3/23 Joe Jackson; 70. 11/02 Vean 73. 11/23 Grover C. Alexander; 75. 12/07 Fred Snodgrass; 76. 12/14 James J. Callahan;77. 12/21 Robert Harmon; 1912 M101-2 Sporting News Supplement 79. 1/04 Zack D. Wheat; 81. 10/10 Boston-A Team (Red Sox); 82. 10/17 New York-N Team 83. 10/24 Jake Stahl; 85. 11/07 Charles Wagner; 86. 11/14 Lew Ritchie; 88. 11/28 Arnold 90. 12/12 James Lavender; Have these available:2/23/11 Barry10/13/10 Coombs11/17/10 Lord10/06/10 McLean2/03/10 Overall9/09/09 Walsh ================= Date: 12 Oct 2014 12:33:35 -0700 To: Subject: Waiver Wire 10/12 From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: 12 Oct 2014 18:00:29 -0700 To: Subject: OBC Star lot on ebay From: james_moleta@hotmail.com ================= To: Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 16:05:53 -0500 Subject: Fakes in poor condition From: "George Vrechek" This article is a pretty good description of what some sellers try to get away with as to "OBC-grade" stars. http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/artificially-aged-fakes-still-fooling-b Subject: for Koufax fans only ! NO DRYSDALES OR MALONEYS ! From: Matthew Glidden Chuckled at this OBC-style eBay lot... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-5-NL-Strikeout-Leaders-Koufax-Drysdale-Maloney-Trimmed-Miscut-MK-/111483359478?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item19f4ed10f6 ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 00:22:19 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] for Koufax fans only ! NO DRYSDALES OR MALONEYS ! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en LOL I love the part about it being a "miscut". Yeah those scissors missed Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/14/2014 12:04:21 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Chuckled at this OBC-style eBay lot... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-5-NL-Strikeout-Leaders-Koufax-Drysdale-Ma ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:18:39 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* From: Larry Tipton As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealersmaintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =93OBC Friendly=94. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=92t. Please don=92t get mad if I don=92t know someone I should there are a couple I =93think=94 I should know. Once the list isreviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=92m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC=93discounts=94 others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBCdiscount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =93OBC Friendly=94 means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=92t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=92t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =93unknown=94 to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:41 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann From: Larry Tipton I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:30:36 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* From: Jimi It would be nice if we had pics for all these guys as I might remember thembetter. I am surprised Wayne Johnson is on this list. I have found his inventory to be mostly graded stuff and highly priced items. I don't even remember him having low grade stuff at his tables when I saw him 3 times this year. Iwill say though that he did buy some graded stuff from me at good prices though and he was easy to work with and very kind. Just my 2 cents. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=E2=99t. Please don=E2=99t get mad if I don=E2=99t know someone I should there are a couple I =E2=9Cthink=E2=9D I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for allcertified > I=E2=99m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =E2=9Cdiscounts=E2=9D others do not. Certified Dealer ChandyGreenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > So it looks like the OBC requirment =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=E2=99t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=E2=99t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > 2. Chandy Greenholt > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > 4. Randy Kniffin > 5. Mark Macrae > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > 7. Kevin Savage > 8. Kurt Tourdot > Dealers =E2=9Cunknown=E2=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER > 9. Ron Barrett > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > 11. William Chappel > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > 14. Bill Henderson > 15. Wayne Johnson > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > 17. Bob McLean > 18. John Morrison > 19. Mike Sandies > 20. Mike Wheat > 21. Dick Zimmerman > Remove: > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby > Guru ================= To: Larry Tipton , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:03:43 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike From: Taylor Schock I would also like to present/offer Larrie Dean (NOT the Dean from "Dean's Cards") out of Midlothian, VA. I've seen him for years at the Raleigh shows and bought stuff from him in the past, but it was only recently that he "realized" there was a market for the off-condition stuff, and starting supplying it at shows. He offers a 10% discount to OBCers, if I remember correctly. And he approached me about becoming an OBC certified dealer as well. I believe a few of you bought items from him at the 2014 National (Spike, Sal?). He was on the autograph side of the room and has a decent selection of all kinds of cards, including quite a bit of pre-war. He's in his mid-sixties, shorter, with glasses and a salt-and-pepper beard. If you remember buying something from him (or not buying something from him), please speak upwith your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:41 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:40:43 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Larrie Dean From: Larry Tipton I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:45:18 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Dealers From: Larry Tipton What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland theywere set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:01:06 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers From: Jimi His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol Istarted looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selectionand most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru ================= To: Larry Tipton , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:06:29 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Larrie Dean From: Taylor Schock >>> I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? Yep! That's as good a description as any. To clarify, I'm not certain if its a 10% discount across the board (he has non-OBC and graded stuff too) or an additional 10% on OBC material. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:40:43 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Larrie Dean I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards fromhim too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support him. ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 10:37:51 -0500 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers From: TJ Valacak I know there are a couple o guys from the Detroit area set up. Thy always have the back of their display area loaded with comics. I know they have putthe "OBC friendly" sign up before. However, I don't think they have had material or savings that fits us. Back when I first joined OBC, I would sit at their table for a few hours, going through their dollar box. Usually found some high numbers and some other goodies in their as well. Their half price box had a few good pills as well. But in more recent years, I haven't noticed much. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru ================= To: "'Jimi'" , Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:14:52 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers From: "Bob Donaldson" Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:01 AM To: Larry Tipton Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol Istarted looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selectionand most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland theywere set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8365 - Release Date: 10/11/14 ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 13:37:15 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: "OBC Friendly" From: Larry Tipton "Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic Thanks Bob" Good point about maintaining (and removal) of OBC certified vinal signs I hadn't thought of that. Nobody seems to know the name of the dealer that displays that "OBC Friendly" sign. He might be OBC Friendly and not one of our certified dealers? I agree with Bob Jimi and TJ their stuff is not that great. Anybody know who they ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Certified dealers From: Larry Tipton Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) ================= To: Larry Tipton , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:26:12 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: Mac Wubben I'll support the Larrie Dean and Ron Estes nominations...don't know Mike. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last yearsNational and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) ================= To: "=?utf-8?B?TGFycnkgVGlwdG9u?=" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:52:58 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtPQkMtUmFtYmxpbmdzXSBPQkMgQ2VydGlmaWVkIGRlYWxlcnM=?From: "John" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:59:29 -0400 To: No Reply Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 From: Andy Ron Barrett has sold all his inventory and is no longer setting up at shows. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 2:26 PM, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com wrote: > OBC (Ramblings) Group > 15 Messages Digest #4797 > 1a OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > 1b Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Jimi" jimivintage > 1c Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by familytoad > 2a Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Larry Tipton"gurularrytipton > 2b Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Taylor Schock" > 3a Re: Larrie Dean by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > 3b Re: Larrie Dean by "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock > 4a Re: Dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > 4b Re: Dealers by "Jimi" jimivintage > 4c Re: Dealers by "TJ Valacak" tjv815 > 4d Re: Dealers by "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil > 5 Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find by psihoot > 6 Re: "OBC Friendly" by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > 7a OBC Certified dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > 7b Re: OBC Certified dealers by "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 > Messages > 1a OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* > Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:18 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=E2=99t. Please don=E2=99t get mad if I don=E2=99t know someone I should there are a couple I =E2=9Cthink=E2=9D I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for allcertified > I=E2=99m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =E2=9Cdiscounts=E2=9D others do not. Certified Dealer ChandyGreenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > So it looks like the OBC requirment =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=E2=99t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=E2=99t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > 2. Chandy Greenholt > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > 4. Randy Kniffin > 5. Mark Macrae > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > 7. Kevin Savage > 8. Kurt Tourdot > Dealers =E2=9Cunknown=E2=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER > 9. Ron Barrett > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > 11. William Chappel > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > 14. Bill Henderson > 15. Wayne Johnson > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > 17. Bob McLean > 18. John Morrison > 19. Mike Sandies > 20. Mike Wheat > 21. Dick Zimmerman > Remove: > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3). Top ^ > 1b Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* > Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:30 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage > It would be nice if we had pics for all these guys as I might remember them better. :) > I am surprised Wayne Johnson is on this list. I have found his inventory to be mostly graded stuff and highly priced items. I don't even remember him having low grade stuff at his tables when I saw him 3 times this year. I will say though that he did buy some graded stuff from me at good prices though and he was easy to work with and very kind. Just my 2 cents. > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > > > > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is tobe =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. > > > > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > > > > So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > > > > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. > > > > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > > > > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > > > > 2. Chandy Greenholt > > > > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > > > > 4. Randy Kniffin > > > > 5. Mark Macrae > > > > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > > > > 7. Kevin Savage > > > > 8. Kurt Tourdot > > > > Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): > > > > 9. Ron Barrett > > > > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > > > > 11. William Chappel > > > > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > > > > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > > > > 14. Bill Henderson > > > > 15. Wayne Johnson > > > > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > > > > 17. Bob McLean > > > > 18. John Morrison > > > > 19. Mike Sandies > > > > 20. Mike Wheat > > > > 21. Dick Zimmerman > > > > Remove: > > > > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby > > > > Guru > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3). Top ^ > 1c Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* > Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: familytoad > My opinion ....don't include a dealer just because he says he > will offer a discount. > You'll be able to tell when dealing with him whether that means > 10% off an item already 50% overpriced or a true deal to > incentivize OBC activity due to the size of our group. > Stick to this that Guru already said: > So it looks like the OBC requirement =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D > means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > OBC Forever, > Brian > Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App > ------ Original Message ------ > From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: October 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER > FEEDBACK* > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC > Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to > remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D. Some of > the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but > don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get madif I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know > someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D > should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each > dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures > for all certified dealers. > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly?Some > dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D others do not. > Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, > but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an > OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC > discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there > are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If > California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D > means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that > I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that > should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their > tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience withthem > and I have a bad memory. > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > 2. Chandy Greenholt > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > 4. Randy Kniffin > 5. Mark Macrae > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > 7. Kevin Savage > 8. Kurt Tourdot > Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=9D to me by their listing > NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): > 9. Ron Barrett > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > 11. William Chappel > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > 14. Bill Henderson > 15. Wayne Johnson > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > 17. Bob McLean > 18. John Morrison > 19. Mike Sandies > 20. Mike Wheat > 21. Dick Zimmerman > Remove: > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the > hobby > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3). Top ^ > 2a Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann > Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2). Top ^ > 2b Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann > Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock > I would also like to present/offer Larrie Dean (NOT the Dean from "Dean'sCards") out of Midlothian, VA. I've seen him for years at the Raleigh shows and bought stuff from him in the past, but it was only recently that he "realized" there was a market for the off-condition stuff, and starting supplying it at shows. He offers a 10% discount to OBCers, if I remember correctly. And he approached me about becoming an OBC certified dealer as well. > I believe a few of you bought items from him at the 2014 National (Spike,Sal?). He was on the autograph side of the room and has a decent selectionof all kinds of cards, including quite a bit of pre-war. He's in his mid-sixties, shorter, with glasses and a salt-and-pepper beard. If you remember buying something from him (or not buying something from him), please speak up with your thoughts. > Regards, > Taylor > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:41 -0400 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann > I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2). Top ^ > 3a Re: Larrie Dean > Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from himtoo, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2). Top ^ > 3b Re: Larrie Dean > Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock > >>> I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? > Yep! That's as good a description as any. > To clarify, I'm not certain if its a 10% discount across the board (he has non-OBC and graded stuff too) or an additional 10% on OBC material. > Regards, > Taylor > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:40:43 -0400 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Larrie Dean > I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from himtoo, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2). Top ^ > 4a Re: Dealers > Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:45 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5). Top ^ > 4b Re: Dealers > Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:01 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage > His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was verynice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol I started looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selection and most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > > > > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > > > > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? > > > > Comments Please > > > > Guru > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5). Top ^ > 4c Re: Dealers > Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "TJ Valacak" tjv815 > I know there are a couple o guys from the Detroit area set up. Thy alwayshave the back of their display area loaded with comics. I know they have put the "OBC friendly" sign up before. However, I don't think they have had material or savings that fits us. > Back when I first joined OBC, I would sit at their table for a few hours,going through their dollar box. Usually found some high numbers and some other goodies in their as well. Their half price box had a few good pills aswell. But in more recent years, I haven't noticed much. > TJ > Sent from my iPhone > > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > > > > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > > > > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? > > > > Comments Please > > > > Guru > > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5). Top ^ > 4d Re: Dealers > Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:14 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil > Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. > I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signswould be problematic > Thanks > Bob > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:01 AM > To: Larry Tipton > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers > His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was verynice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol I started looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selection and most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru > _____ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8365 - Release Date: 10/11/14 > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5). Top ^ > 5 Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find > Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: psihoot > I have been following (not bidding) on a number of complete > early 1960 Post panels (both baseball and football) on eBay. So > far all of them have been 1962. > Like this one that has three SPs on it: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/171489903970?ssPageNameSTRK:MEDWX:IT&_tr\ > ksidp3984.m1435.l2649 > So I reached out to the seller. Her response--she went to an > estate sale and saw this bag of back panels. She didn't really > know anything about them--but the whole bag was only $7.00. That > is correct $7 dollars. A quick tabulation takes the total above > $2500.00 so far in sales. > Oh to be that lucky once..... (well maybe I was with my $2 1962 > Jello Bobby Richardson). > peter > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ > 6 Re: "OBC Friendly" > Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > "Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic Thanks Bob" > Good point about maintaining (and removal) of OBC certified vinal signs Ihadn't thought of that. > Nobody seems to know the name of the dealer that displays that "OBC Friendly" sign. He might be OBC Friendly and not one of our certified dealers? Iagree with Bob Jimi and TJ their stuff is not that great. Anybody know whothey > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ > 7a OBC Certified dealers > Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:23 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton > Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. > Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! > I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. > New nominees: > Mike McCann (has three votes so far) > Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) > Ron Estes (has one vote so far) > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2). Top ^ > 7b Re: OBC Certified dealers > Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 > I'll support the Larrie Dean and Ron Estes nominations...don't know Mike. > Mac > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0400 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers > Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. > Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! > I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. > New nominees: > Mike McCann (has three votes so far) > Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) > Ron Estes (has one vote so far) > Guru > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2). Top ^ > Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html > VISIT YOUR GROUP > =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:19:26 -0700 To: Larry Tipton , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: Randy Griffin I will give Coach Ron Estes a big thumbs up! He runs a card show in Evansville every two months....only show in town anymore. He had a death in his family, so he was not going to be able to set up his tables. He had to be in town on Thursday to set up the tables for the show. He gave me a call to let me know that I could stop by and look thru his 90% off boxes whilehe was setting things up. It was kind of funny setting there looking through cards with no one around--able to find some treasures, also. If that isn't OBC friendly, I don't know what is! Really think a lot of Ron! Randy Griffin On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:23 PM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) ================= To: Larry Tipton , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:03:21 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: richard dingman I will happily second Ron Estes and Mike McCann. Not familiar with Larrie Dean, at least not by name. Richard D To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:19:26 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers I will give Coach Ron Estes a big thumbs up! He runs a card show inEvansville every two months....only show in town anymore. He had a deathin his family, so he was not going to be able to set up his tables. He had to be in town on Thursday to set up the tables for the show. He gave mea call to let me know that I could stop by and look thru his 90% off boxeswhile he was setting things up. It was kind of funny setting there looking through cards with no one around--able to find some treasures, also. If that isn't OBC friendly, I don't know what is! Really think a lot of Ron! Randy Griffin On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:23 PM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last yearsNational and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:08:23 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: "OBC Friendly" From: smartalecx@aol.com the guys with the sign are from detroit. A to Z Comics as TJ said, there OBC picks have dwindled, but it could also be that my wantlist has dwindled as well Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 16:44:13 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Celebrating A Milestone - 1950 Bowman Complete From: Mike Mackie Hey guys - Just want to share with you all that the final card in my 1950 Bowman set arrived today in the form of Jackie Robinson, via Ebay. What a nice package to come home on a rainy Tuesday. Mike Mackie ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:59:15 -0400 Subject: Done! 1964 Topps From: Joshua Levine After many years, a nearly all OBC set is finally complete. I think I only bought 4 cards myself for this set, Mantle, Stargell, Aaron, and the last one received today, Clemente!! Everything else came in the form of trades orRAOK from OBC. Thanks everyone, I love this 1964 Topps set!! ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:14:10 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings Subject: Your thoughts - `54 Bowman Williams SP From: talbot1@comcast.net Hi guys, I found the last variation I needed for the `54 Bowman set outside of the Williams SP, so for kicks and giggles I did a quick search and came across this one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-BOWMAN-66-TED-WILLIAMS-PR-GD-VINTAGE-BASEBALL-CARD-THE-RARITY-66T-LOW-END-/121446828601?ssPageName=ADME:X:COCE:US:3160 I wrote the guy and asked if it were legit, the real thing, not a reprint and he wrote back that it WAS a low grade `54 Bowman card, the real McCoy. He also offered another 10% off at $282 and I wanted to know this groups opinion of that. I really have never looked for this card and note that eBay prices are 3 - 10 times this offer. Has anyone seen it at a show for less than $300 (even in this condition). I usually don't even think about shelling out this kind of cash on a single card but I thought it would be kind of cool to have this one which would complete the master set with all the back variations (well I'd have to pick up the Berra but someone had it out there for trade and I just got to figure out who that was). So - what do you guys think? First, in lieu of the article George just sent out - does it look real? Then, is it worth the price? BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 19:54:14 -0500 To: Larry Tipton , Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: ---- "richard dingman brightair@msn.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I will happily second Ron Estes and Mike McCann. > Not familiar with Larrie Dean, at least not by name. > Richard D > To: larrytipton@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 12:19:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers > I will give Coach Ron Estes a big thumbs up! He runs a card show in Evansville every two months....only show in town anymore. He had a death in his family, so he was not going to be able to set up his tables. He had to be in town on Thursday to set up the tables for the show. He gave me a call to let me know that I could stop by and look thru his 90% off boxes while he was setting things up. It was kind of funny setting there looking through cards with no one around--able to find some treasures, also. If that isn't OBC friendly, I don't know what is! Really think a lot of Ron! > Randy Griffin > On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:23 PM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. > Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! > I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. > New nominees: > Mike McCann (has three votes so far) > Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) > Ron Estes (has one vote so far) > Guru ================= Date: 14 Oct 2014 18:27:02 -0700 To: Subject: Extra 71 Topps From: kenpillion@windstream.net ================= Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 23:25:21 -0400 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Ok I'm reading emails as I write this... I'm with Taylor on Larrie Dean. Real nice guy, was very accommodating to our style of collecting. I bought a few from his city block of tables, and almost pulled the trigger on a Seaver rookie for $250. Very honest about that card that SGC said it was trimmed and wouldn't grade it (I think it was miscut, as a lot of high 67s). I believe he was offering a discount to our guys. Not sure of the %. His stuff was priced fairly, and offered the discount without asking because of the hats. He wants our business. I took pictures of a lot of the dealers, but for some reason, I was unable to load them to the server to be used to update/add some pictures of the A-Z are the guys who have our sign up. I always try to make a "complementary" purchase there just because of the sign. I don't mind if hekeeps sign up, great deals or not. Other's see the sign (dealers included) and this may get others to bring what we are looking for to shows. The hats remain our best advertising, as those who don't know always ask, "I've seen a bunch of those hats here...". We discussed Mike McCann before the National, and it was generally agreed he needs to be on the preferred list and I am sure we had more than 4 to recommend. And after the National, there shouldn't be any doubt. He helped us pick apart Steve's list at the end and is an all around good guy. Discounts us fairly and is quite helpful. We added him to the preferred list for the National for us to go visit. 'Nuff said. Going thru the list: 1- Uncle Dick is a staple for OBCers... keeper 2- Chandy- He stocks more stuff that we look for. I don't always find what I need, but others seem to. 3- JD- KEEPER- Need a big card? JD discounts it nicely for us. We have been dealing with him for ages. 4- Randy Kniffin- Nice guy, still offers discounts, but lately I find less and less that I need from him. I did get a 56 Koufax for 10 bucks in OBC condition at the national. 5- Mark McCrae- Why can't I ever place this guy? 6- Roger Newfeldt- Kent's favorite. Good bargain bin, offers discount on 7- Kevin Savage- I haven't bought anything from him in ages. Too rich for my blood, but others do nicely with him and Pat. 8- Kurt Tourdot- Do we even have to discuss keeping Kurt? And why isn't Jerry Nelson, his partner, on our list? 9- Ron Barrett- I can't picture him. 10- Jimmy Cardascia- Can't picture him either 11-William Chappel- Pretty sure I bought from him at the National, but nothing spectacular. I'll yield to the others on his one. 12-Greg Fisher- Fell on hard times. used to be a fav of mine and Big Al. We used to watch his table when he needed to eat LOL. I hear he is getting back into it. I would keep him, because he would be a guy to see if he gets back in action. 13- Zack Grakel- Hardly buy from Zack. Haven't visited his site in a while but does offer 10%. 14- Bill Henderson- Basically retired from selling, only on Ebay. 15- Wayne Johnson- Understands our ideals. Usually has an OBC box for us to thumb thru. 16- Dave Levin- Only seen him at one show in Cali. Offers discounts to OBC on his website. Before you check out, leave him a note in the shopping card that you are OBC and he adjusts the price. 17- Bob McLean- Partners with Ron Estes (And why isn't Ron on our list? He is a must!) They have bargain bins like crazy, have extremely fair prices to start with, then give us nice discounts on top. 18- John Morrison- Haven't purchased from him in a while. 19- Mike Sandles- Same thing 20- Mike Wheat- Same... Another one that I would like opinions on. The guy with all the hockey under the plastic. Forget his name, but I have made a few purchases. Others know him better and would know if he is recommendation material. Can anyone help me out with loading the pictures of the national? I tried a few times... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/14/2014 8:18:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=E2=99t. Please don=E2=99t get mad if I don=E2=99t know someone I should there are a couple I =E2=9Cthink=E2=9D I should know. Once thelist is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=E2=99m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =E2=9C discounts=E2=9D others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscardsis listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=E2=99t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=E2=99t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =E2=9Cunknown=E2=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 00:01:22 -0400 To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Put me in for all three... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/14/2014 2:23:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:04:36 +0000 (UTC) To: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: talbot1@comcast.net Count me in on Dean and Estes as well (I already gave a thumbs-up on McCann)..BE REGARDS -------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 12:01:22 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers Put me in for all three... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/14/2014 2:23:40 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 06:41:30 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update From: Larry Tipton Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of all the input. Thanks to Gary Mandell who identified "A to Z Comics" as the dealers who display the large "OBC Friendly" sign. They are not OBC Certified Dealers, nor do I think they should be, but I like seeing that sign at the National:) Also scrap my idea for "OBC Certified" vinyl signs:) New Nominees: A. Mike McCann has six confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. B. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. C. Ron Estes has ten confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. Today I want to present two others for consideration: D. Paul Korst "Stampcards" At the National he has all his cards in binders,you pull what you want out, and put the price on a tab of paper. Great guyGreat cards Great system! Paul has one confirmation (mine) and needs four others. E. Jerry Nelson is Kurt Tourdots partner and sets up next to him at the National and a great friend of OBC. Jerry has two confirmations (Sal and Guru)and needs three others. These dealers are currently listed as OBC Certified but I am unsure of their situations and need more feedback on them please: Ron Barrett Jimmy Cardascia William Chappel Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) Zack Grakal (California Cards) Bill Henderson Wayne Johnson Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) John Morrison Mike Sandies Mike Wheat Dick Zimmerman Dave Murray ================= To: Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:33:36 -0500 Subject: Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* From: "George Vrechek" I dealer I have found to have reasonable prices and a good inventory is Jack Kerkes of Jack's Cards from Broadview Heights, Ohio. Shorter with glasses probably around 50+. Nice guy. Not flamboyant at all so you may not remember him, but I always find something at his table and he knocks something off the already reasonable prices without my even asking. George Vrechek Good idea to revisit this - and get photos - as well as photos of OBC ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:20:42 -0400 To: George Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* From: Jimi Agreed! Jack's stuff is very reasonable and he's helped complete several of my sets. He has lots of low to midgrade stuff. At the National, he was located on the other side of A-Z near the Ferris wheel. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:33 AM, "'George Vrechek' vrechek@ameritech.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I dealer I have found to have reasonable prices and a good inventory is Jack Kerkes of Jack=E2=99s Cards from Broadview Heights, Ohio. Shorter with glasses probably around 50+. Nice guy. Not flamboyant at all so you may not remember him, but I always find something at his table and he knocks something off the already reasonable prices without my even asking. > George Vrechek > Good idea to revisit this =E2=93 and get photos =E2=93 as well as photos of OBC members. ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:33:24 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update From: Jimi Jerry Nelson (next to Kurt) seemed have some great stuff including in his bargain bins (which I confused with Kurt's, and Kurt ended up making the deal with me and paying Jerry.) Whoops! :) So aside from having reasonably priced low grade HOFers/high #s, etc, I never did actually communicate withhim. In fact, I'm not sure I can even tell you what he looks like. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 15, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of all theinput. Thanks to Gary Mandell who identified "A to Z Comics" as the dealers who display the large "OBC Friendly" sign. They are not OBC Certified Dealers, nor do I think they should be, but I like seeing that sign at the National:) Also scrap my idea for "OBC Certified" vinyl signs:) > New Nominees: > A. Mike McCann has six confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. > B. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. > C. Ron Estes has ten confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. > Today I want to present two others for consideration: > D. Paul Korst "Stampcards" At the National he has all his cards in binders, you pull what you want out, and put the price on a tab of paper. Great guy Great cards Great system! Paul has one confirmation (mine) and needs four > E. Jerry Nelson is Kurt Tourdots partner and sets up next to him at the National and a great friend of OBC. Jerry has two confirmations (Sal and Guru) and needs three others. > These dealers are currently listed as OBC Certified but I am unsure of their situations and need more feedback on them please: > Ron Barrett > Jimmy Cardascia > William Chappel > Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > Zack Grakal (California Cards) > Bill Henderson > Wayne Johnson > Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > John Morrison > Mike Sandies > Mike Wheat > Dick Zimmerman > Dave Murray > Guru ================= To: notify-dg-OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:45:06 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 From: larrygers@aol.com Three dealers on your don't know list I've dealt with extensively over the years. Mike Sandles-He is without a doubt my favorite dealer. He's from Detroit area so the FOOT contingent know him well. Great prices on vintage cards & gives up to a 33% discount on purchases. Hehas given OBC thousands of cards to be distributed over the years. He sets up in Cincinnati every month. Biggest drawback is the cards are displayed by price in boxes, not by year. However if you ask him what you're looking for he can point you in the right direction. William Chappel-Great dealer who has boxes of off grade vintage. I've purchased most of my Goudeys from him. Wayne Johnson-sets up with Heckathorn at the Cincy shows. Yes he has mostlygraded, but if you get to the show early (before Ron Perry) he generally has a box of off grade specifically for OBC. He has finished off a couple of my sets- 56T is an example, & he gave me a great deal on the Hi# Coleman card to kill it. My two cents, -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 2:26 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 OBC (Ramblings) Group 15 Messages Digest #4797 OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Jimi" jimivintage Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock Re: Larrie Dean by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Larrie Dean by "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock Re: Dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Dealers by "Jimi" Re: Dealers by "TJValacak" Re: Dealers by "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find by Re: "OBC Friendly" by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton OBC Certified dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: OBC Certified dealers by "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:18 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=E2=99t. Please don=E2=99t get mad if I don=E2=99t know someone I should there are a couple I =E2=9Cthink=E2=9D I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=E2=99m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =E2=9Cdiscounts=E2=9D others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=E2=99t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=E2=99t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =E2=9Cunknown=E2=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (3) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:30 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage It would be nice if we had pics for all these guys as I might remember them better. :) I am surprised Wayne Johnson is on this list. I have found his inventory to be mostly graded stuff and highly priced items. I don't even remember him having low grade stuff at his tables when I saw him 3 times this year. Iwill say though that he did buy some graded stuff from me at good prices though and he was easy to work with and very kind. Just my 2 cents. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly?Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > 2. Chandy Greenholt > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > 4. Randy Kniffin > 5. Mark Macrae > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > 7. Kevin Savage > 8. Kurt Tourdot > Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): > 9. Ron Barrett > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > 11. William Chappel > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > 14. Bill Henderson > 15. Wayne Johnson > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > 17. Bob McLean > 18. John Morrison > 19. Mike Sandies > 20. Mike Wheat > 21. Dick Zimmerman > Remove: > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (3) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: My opinion ....don't include a dealer just because he says he will offer a discount. You'll be able to tell when dealing with him whether that means 10% off an item already 50% overpriced or a true deal to incentivize OBC activity due to the size of our group. Stick to this that Guru already said: So it looks like the OBC requirement =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: October 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD to me by theirlisting NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (3) . Top ^ Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before Ipresent his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock I would also like to present/offer Larrie Dean (NOT the Dean from "Dean's Cards") out of Midlothian, VA. I've seen him for years at the Raleigh shows and bought stuff from him in the past, but it was only recently that he "realized" there was a market for the off-condition stuff, and starting supplying it at shows. He offers a 10% discount to OBCers, if I remember correctly. And he approached me about becoming an OBC certified dealeras I believe a few of you bought items from him at the 2014 National (Spike, Sal?). He was on the autograph side of the room and has a decent selection of all kinds of cards, including quite a bit of pre-war. He's in his mid-sixties, shorter, with glasses and a salt-and-pepper beard. If you remember buying something from him (or not buying something from him), please speak upwith your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:41 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Larrie Dean Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support him. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Larrie Dean Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock >>> I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? Yep! That's as good a description as any. To clarify, I'm not certain if its a 10% discount across the board (he has non-OBC and graded stuff too) or an additional 10% on OBC material. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:40:43 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Larrie Dean I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:45 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:01 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol I started looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selection and most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "TJ Valacak" tjv815 I know there are a couple o guys from the Detroit area set up.Thy always have the back of their display area loaded with comics. I know they have put the "OBC friendly" sign up before. However, I don't think they have had material or savings that fits us. Back when I first joined OBC, I would sit at their table for a few hours, going through their dollar box. Usually found some high numbers and some other goodies in their as well. Their half price box had a few good pills as well. But in more recent years, I haven't noticed much. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:14 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:01 AM To: Larry Tipton Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol Istarted looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selectionand most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland theywere set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8365 - Release Date: 10/11/14 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: I have been following (not bidding) on a number of complete early 1960 Post panels (both baseball and football) on eBay. So far all of them have been 1962. Like this one that has three SPs on it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171489903970?ssPageNameSTRK:MEDWX:IT&_tr\ So I reached out to the seller. Her response--she went to an estate sale and saw this bag of back panels. She didn't really know anything about them--but the whole bag was only $7.00. That is correct $7 dollars. A quick tabulation takes the total above $2500.00 so far in sales. Oh to be that lucky once..... (well maybe I was with my $2 1962 Jello Bobby Richardson). Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (1) . Top ^ Re: "OBC Friendly" Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton "Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. Ithink making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic Thanks Bob" Good point about maintaining (and removal) of OBC certified vinal signs I hadn't thought of that. Nobody seems to know the name of the dealer that displays that "OBC Friendly" sign. He might be OBC Friendly and not one of our certified dealers? I agree with Bob Jimi and TJ their stuff is not that great. Anybody know who they Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (1) . Top ^ OBC Certified dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:23 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 I'll support the Larrie Dean and Ron Estes nominations...don'tknow To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html VISIT YOUR GROUP =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:04:25 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update From: richard dingman I vote for Jerry Nelson! Richard D CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: larrytipton@windstream.net From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:33:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update Jerry Nelson (next to Kurt) seemed have some great stuff including inhis bargain bins (which I confused with Kurt's, and Kurt ended up making the deal with me and paying Jerry.) Whoops! :) So aside from having reasonably priced low grade HOFers/high #s, etc, I never did actually communicate with him. In fact, I'm not sure I can even tell you what he looks like. Sent from my iPad On Oct 15, 2014, at 6:41 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of allthe input. Thanks to Gary Mandell who identified "A to Z Comics" as the dealers who display the large "OBC Friendly" sign. They are not OBC CertifiedDealers, nor do I think they should be, but I like seeing that sign at theNational:) Also scrap my idea for "OBC Certified" vinyl signs:) New Nominees: A. Mike McCann has six confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified.B. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified.C. Ron Estes has ten confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. Today I want to present two others for consideration: D. Paul Korst "Stampcards" At the National he has all his cards in binders,you pull what you want out, and put the price on a tab of paper. Great guyGreat cards Great system! Paul has one confirmation (mine) and needs four others. E. Jerry Nelson is Kurt Tourdots partner and sets up next to him at the National and a great friend of OBC. Jerry has two confirmations (Sal and Guru)and needs three others. These dealers are currently listed as OBC Certified but I am unsure of their situations and need more feedback on them please:Ron Barrett Jimmy CardasciaWilliam ChappelGreg Fisher (Cameo Cards)Zack Grakal (California Cards) Bill Henderson Wayne Johnson Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards)John Morrison Mike Sandies Mike Wheat Dick ZimmermanDave Murray ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:24:30 -0700 To: "larrygers@aol.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 From: EEK Guru, I will heartily second Gersh's comments on Mike Sandles. I don't dealwith dealers much but as a FOOT I have bought many cards from Mike and always at a great price. When I attend the Redford Show where he sets up, I seldom venture beyond his table, which is by far the busiest at the hall. Great prices to begin with plus discounts on volume and the OBC discount on top of that!!! Earl Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" On Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:45 PM, "larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings]" Three dealers on your don't know list I've dealt with extensively over the years. Mike Sandles-He is without a doubt my favorite dealer. He's from Detroit area so the FOOT contingent know him well. Great prices on vintage cards & gives up to a 33% discount on purchases. Hehas given OBC thousands of cards to be distributed over the years. He sets up in Cincinnati every month. Biggest drawback is the cards are displayed by price in boxes, not by year. However if you ask him what you're looking for he can point you in the right direction. William Chappel-Great dealer who has boxes of off grade vintage. I've purchased most of my Goudeys from him. Wayne Johnson-sets up with Heckathorn at the Cincy shows. Yes he has mostlygraded, but if you get to the show early (before Ron Perry) he generally has a box of off grade specifically for OBC. He has finished off a couple of my sets- 56T is an example, & he gave me a great deal on the Hi# Coleman card to kill it. My two cents, -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 2:26 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 OBC (Ramblings) Group 15 Messages Digest #4797 OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Jimi" jimivintage Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by familytoad Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Taylor Schock" Re: Larrie Dean by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Larrie Dean by "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock Re: Dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Dealers by "Jimi" jimivintage Re: Dealers by "TJ Valacak" tjv815 Re: Dealers by "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find by psihoot Re: "OBC Friendly" by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton OBC Certified dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: OBC Certified dealers by "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:18 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealersmaintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=E2=99t. Please don=E2=99t get mad if I don=E2=99t know someone I should there are a couple I =E2=9Cthink=E2=9D I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified I=E2=99m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =E2=9Cdiscounts=E2=9D others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=E2=99t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=E2=99t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =E2=9Cunknown=E2=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:30 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage It would be nice if we had pics for all these guys as I might remember thembetter. I am surprised Wayne Johnson is on this list. I have found his inventory to be mostly graded stuff and highly priced items. I don't even remember him having low grade stuff at his tables when I saw him 3 times this year. Iwill say though that he did buy some graded stuff from me at good prices though and he was easy to work with and very kind. Just my 2 cents. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly?Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > 2. Chandy Greenholt > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > 4. Randy Kniffin > 5. Mark Macrae > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > 7. Kevin Savage > 8. Kurt Tourdot > Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): > 9. Ron Barrett > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > 11. William Chappel > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > 14. Bill Henderson > 15. Wayne Johnson > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > 17. Bob McLean > 18. John Morrison > 19. Mike Sandies > 20. Mike Wheat > 21. Dick Zimmerman > Remove: > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: My opinion ....don't include a dealer just because he says he will offer a discount. You'll be able to tell when dealing with him whether that means 10% off an item already 50% overpriced or a true deal to incentivize OBC activity due to the size of our group. Stick to this that Guru already said: So it looks like the OBC requirement =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: October 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD to me by theirlisting NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock I would also like to present/offer Larrie Dean (NOT the Dean from "Dean's Cards") out of Midlothian, VA. I've seen him for years at the Raleigh shows and bought stuff from him in the past, but it was only recently that he "realized" there was a market for the off-condition stuff, and starting supplying it at shows. He offers a 10% discount to OBCers, if I remember correctly. And he approached me about becoming an OBC certified dealer as well. I believe a few of you bought items from him at the 2014 National (Spike, Sal?). He was on the autograph side of the room and has a decent selection of all kinds of cards, including quite a bit of pre-war. He's in his mid-sixties, shorter, with glasses and a salt-and-pepper beard. If you remember buying something from him (or not buying something from him), please speak upwith your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:41 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Larrie Dean Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Larrie Dean Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock >>> I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? Yep! That's as good a description as any. To clarify, I'm not certain if its a 10% discount across the board (he has non-OBC and graded stuff too) or an additional 10% on OBC material. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:40:43 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Larrie Dean I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:45 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland theywere set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:01 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol Istarted looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selectionand most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "TJ Valacak" tjv815 I know there are a couple o guys from the Detroit area set up. Thy always have the back of their display area loaded with comics. I know they have putthe "OBC friendly" sign up before. However, I don't think they have had material or savings that fits us. Back when I first joined OBC, I would sit at their table for a few hours, going through their dollar box. Usually found some high numbers and some other goodies in their as well. Their half price box had a few good pills as well. But in more recent years, I haven't noticed much. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:14 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com?]On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:01 AM To: Larry Tipton Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol Istarted looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selectionand most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland theywere set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8365 - Release Date: 10/11/14 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: I have been following (not bidding) on a number of complete early 1960 Post panels (both baseball and football) on eBay. So far all of them have been 1962. Like this one that has three SPs on it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171489903970?ssPageNameSTRK:MEDWX:IT&_tr\ So I reached out to the seller. Her response--she went to an estate sale and saw this bag of back panels. She didn't really know anything about them--but the whole bag was only $7.00. That is correct $7 dollars. A quick tabulation takes the total above $2500.00 so far in sales. Oh to be that lucky once..... (well maybe I was with my $2 1962 Jello Bobby Richardson). Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ Re: "OBC Friendly" Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton "Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic Thanks Bob" Good point about maintaining (and removal) of OBC certified vinal signs I hadn't thought of that. Nobody seems to know the name of the dealer that displays that "OBC Friendly" sign. He might be OBC Friendly and not one of our certified dealers? I agree with Bob Jimi and TJ their stuff is not that great. Anybody know who they Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ OBC Certified dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:23 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 I'll support the Larrie Dean and Ron Estes nominations...don't know Mike. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (2) . Top ^ Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouragedon Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGSserver, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Visit Your Group =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:32:44 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Oh yeah, Paul is a good one. I grab OPC's from him. Mark me down as a yes for Paul... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/15/2014 6:43:15 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of all the input. Thanks to Gary Mandell who identified "A to Z Comics" as the dealers who display the large "OBC Friendly" sign. They are not OBC Certified Dealers, nor do I think they should be, but I like seeing that sign at the National:) Also scrap my idea for "OBC Certified" vinyl signs:) New Nominees: A. Mike McCann has six confirmations enough to be presented for OBC B. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC C. Ron Estes has ten confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Today I want to present two others for consideration: D. Paul Korst "Stampcards" At the National he has all his cards in binders, you pull what you want out, and put the price on a tab of paper. Great guy Great cards Great system! Paul has one confirmation (mine) and needs four E. Jerry Nelson is Kurt Tourdots partner and sets up next to him at the National and a great friend of OBC. Jerry has two confirmations (Sal and Guru) and needs three others. These dealers are currently listed as OBC Certified but I am unsure of their situations and need more feedback on them please: Ron Barrett Jimmy Cardascia William Chappel Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) Zack Grakal (California Cards) Bill Henderson Wayne Johnson Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) John Morrison Mike Sandies Mike Wheat Dick Zimmerman Dave Murray ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:33:01 -0500 To: Randy Griffin , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: Yaz I'm astounded by your note on Ron Estes. Astounded because I never see shows in Evansville. I managed to catch one at Washington Square Mall last in 2013, I think and it was so horrible that I walked away with nothing but a bad attitude. Where are they held? Where are they advertised? I must be stupendously unaware of my surroundings. I read the Evansville paper every day and don't see anything about shows every two months. Of course I didn't see him at the National either, probably due to the fact I didn't know he was there and also found it hard to leave Tordout's table. Greg (yaz) On 10/14/2014 2:19 PM, Randy Griffin rvkgriffin24@att.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I will give Coach Ron Estes a big thumbs up! He runs a card show in > Evansville every two months....only show in town anymore. He had a > death in his family, so he was not going to be able to set up his > tables. He had to be in town on Thursday to set up the tables for the > show. He gave me a call to let me know that I could stop by and look > thru his 90% off boxes while he was setting things up. It was kind > of funny setting there looking through cards with no one around--able > to find some treasures, also. If that isn't OBC friendly, I don't know > what is! Really think a lot of Ron! > Randy Griffin > On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:23 PM, "Larry Tipton > larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: > Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer > #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last > years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. > Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! > I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to > confirm before consideration please also any feedback. > New nominees: > Mike McCann (has three votes so far) > Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) > Ron Estes (has one vote so far) > Guru ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:34:15 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en And put me down as a yes to Jack. How can I forget him? I fill more set commons because of him, I get a great discount, and we always wind up talking about why the National isn't in different cities! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/15/2014 9:33:50 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I dealer I have found to have reasonable prices and a good inventory is Jack Kerkes of Jack=E2=99s Cards from Broadview Heights, Ohio. Shorter with glasses probably around 50+. Nice guy. Not flamboyant at all so you may not remember him, but I always find something at his table and he knocks something off the already reasonable prices without my even asking. George Vrechek Good idea to revisit this =E2=93 and get photos =E2=93 as well as photos of OBC ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 18:43:22 -0500 To: Randy Griffin , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers From: Yaz I'm astounded by your note on Ron Estes. Astounded because I never see shows in Evansville. I managed to catch one at Washington Square Mall last in 2013, I think and it was so horrible that I walked away with nothing but a bad attitude. Where are they held? Where are they advertised? I must be stupendously unaware of my surroundings. I read the Evansville paper every day and don't see anything about shows every two months. Of course I didn't see him at the National either, probably due to the fact that I couldn't seem to get away from Tourdot's table much. Greg (yaz) On 10/14/2014 2:19 PM, Randy Griffin rvkgriffin24@att.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I will give Coach Ron Estes a big thumbs up! He runs a card show in > Evansville every two months....only show in town anymore. He had a > death in his family, so he was not going to be able to set up his > tables. He had to be in town on Thursday to set up the tables for the > show. He gave me a call to let me know that I could stop by and look > thru his 90% off boxes while he was setting things up. It was kind > of funny setting there looking through cards with no one around--able > to find some treasures, also. If that isn't OBC friendly, I don't know > what is! Really think a lot of Ron! > Randy Griffin > On Tuesday, October 14, 2014 1:23 PM, "Larry Tipton > larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" > wrote: > Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer > #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last > years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. > Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! > I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to > confirm before consideration please also any feedback. > New nominees: > Mike McCann (has three votes so far) > Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) > Ron Estes (has one vote so far) > Guru ================= Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:52:37 -0700 To: Obc Ramblings Subject: Belated Father's Day presents From: Edward Watts Hi guys, I thought I would share with all of you the best Father's Day present that I've ever gotten. So I live in Carlsbad California, the home of Upper Deck.Today my wife arranged for a tour of Upper Deck from a friend of hers who works there--while they had the Stanley Cup visiting. It was pretty interesting. I learned all about how they make the shiny new cards, how they randomize the distribution of the inserts, and a whole lot about how the design work is done. One of the highlights was learning how they Photoshop out ads, umpires, and broadcasters. Fans they can keep in. I also learned that for any college cards they have to Photoshop out any other players, and Michael Jordan makes them Photoshop out pictures of his tongue. I attached a few photos but I don't know if they'll go through. The coolest thing though was the Stanley Cup. It's not as big as I thought,but it is really super cool. Overall it was a great surprise. Ed Watts ================= Date: 15 Oct 2014 17:34:33 -0700 To: Subject: Lots of 71s available: Waiver wire From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 01:25:47 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings Subject: FOLLOW-UP - Your thoughts - `54 Bowman Williams SP From: talbot1@comcast.net Hi guys, I wanted to thank all who chimed in with their advice on the `54 Bowman Williams card. I just wanted you to know that I got back to the seller and bundled a few items and ended up with the Williams, a lot of `41 Double Plays,a couple vintage BB wrappers and a YAZ oddball item - all for $301 Postpaid. I feel like I'm at the National sharing a great show find - Thanks againfor your help. If you want to check out the other items I picked up, here's the links: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1941-DOUBLE-PLAY-BASEBALL-CARD-LOT-PSA-69-70-TRESH-APPLING-VANDER-MEER-VAUGHAN-/111477281736?ssPageNameADME:B:BOC:US:1123 http://www.ebay.com/itm/CARL-YASTRZEMSKI-5-DOLLAR-BILL-BASEBALL-CARD-TOPPS-BUCKS-ODDBALL-RED-SOX-YAZ-/111479661875?ssPageNameADME:B:BOC:US:1123 http://www.ebay.com/itm/EMPTY-TOPPS-WAX-WRAPPER-LOT-2-1970-and-1980-BASKETBALL-BIRD-MAGIC-ROOKIE-YEAR-/121453751331?ssPageNameADME:B:BOC:US:1123 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-BOWMAN-66-TED-WILLIAMS-PR-GD-VINTAGE-BASEBALL-CARD-THE-RARITY-66T-LOW-END-/121446828601?ssPageNameADME:X:COCE:US:3160= BE WELL!!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK In a message dated 10/14/2014 8:14:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Hi guys, I found the last variation I needed for the `54 Bowman set outside of the Williams SP, so for kicks and giggles I did a quick search and came across this http://www.ebay.com/itm/1954-BOWMAN-66-TED-WILLIAMS-PR-GD-VINTAGE-BASEBALL-CARD-THE-RARITY-66T-LOW-END-/121446828601?ssPageNameADME:X:COCE:US:3160= I wrote the guy and asked if it were legit, the real thing, not a reprint and he wrote back that it WAS a low grade `54 Bowman card, the real McCoy. He also offered another 10% off at $282 and I wanted to know this groups opinion of that. I really have never looked for this card and note that eBay prices are 3 - 10 times this offer. Has anyone seen it at a show for less than $300 (even in this condition). I usually don't even think about shellingout this kind of cash on a single card but I thought it would be kind of cool to have this one which would complete the master set with all the back variations (well I'd have to pick up the Berra but someone had it out therefor trade and I just got to figure out who that was). So - what do you guys think? First, in lieu of the article George just sent out - does it look real? Then, is it worth the price? BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:34:06 +0000 (UTC) To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update From: talbot1@comcast.net You got a thumbs up for Paul and Jerry from me and from the list of guys you don't know I can verify have gotten OBC discounts from: William Chappel, Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards), Bill Henderson, Wayne Johnson, John Morrison, Mike Sandles and Dick Zimmerman. Now I don't think that Greg, Bill or Dick set up at shows anymore so that is something to consider. BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 6:41:30 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of all the input. Thanks to Gary Mandell who identified "A to Z Comics" as the dealers who display the large "OBC Friendly" sign. They are not OBC Certified Dealers, nor do I think they should be, but I like seeing that sign at the National:) Also scrap my idea for "OBC Certified" vinyl signs:) New Nominees: A. Mike McCann has six confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. B. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. C. Ron Estes has ten confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. Today I want to present two others for consideration: D. Paul Korst "Stampcards" At the National he has all his cards in binders,you pull what you want out, and put the price on a tab of paper. Great guyGreat cards Great system! Paul has one confirmation (mine) and needs four others. E. Jerry Nelson is Kurt Tourdots partner and sets up next to him at the National and a great friend of OBC. Jerry has two confirmations (Sal and Guru)and needs three others. These dealers are currently listed as OBC Certified but I am unsure of their situations and need more feedback on them please: Ron Barrett Jimmy Cardascia William Chappel Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) Zack Grakal (California Cards) Bill Henderson Wayne Johnson Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) John Morrison Mike Sandies Mike Wheat Dick Zimmerman Dave Murray ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:30:28 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC Certified Dealers Thursday Update From: Larry Tipton Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of all the input. Once our new Certified Dealers are approved I will contact them to ensure they do not mind being listed on our website. One OBC member suggested that OBC Certified dealers be allowed to post on our new "Dealer-Scum" server. We should probably rename the Dealer-Scum server if we ever do this:) It's an idea I have thought about as well. I know the OBCAC wants to move slowly with the Dealer-Scum server it has been a bigchange for OBC and we are just starting the 90 day test period. New Nominees: 1. Mike McCann has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 2. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 3. Ron Estes has eleven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 4. Jerry Nelson has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 5. Paul Korst has three confirmations and needs two more. Today I want to present one other for consideration: 6. Jack Kerkes (Jacks Cards) Jack had three confirmations and needs two more. All Certified Dealers listed on the OBC Page have been confirmed and vouched for except these listed dealers. I need more feedback and please provide recent experience. I'm getting feedback that says "he's only on ebay" then "in the past I received a discount". Ron Barrett: One member said he sold his inventory and is no longer settingup. Jimmy Cardascia: No feedback received Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards): One member feedback said Greg fell on hard timeand is just getting back into the hobby. One member feedback said he got adiscount in the past. Zack Grakal (California Cards): One member said I hardly buy from. One member said OK. Two members said mixed pretty reasonable on-line store purchases but no special discounts and numerous SNAFUS getting the cards that were ordered. Bill Henderson: One said he got discounts in the past. One said Bill is retired and only on Ebay now. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards): One member said he got a discount on his John Morrison: One member said he hasn't purchased anything recently. One member said he is mostly on ebay and should be removed. One member said he bought some cards from him 7 years ago is he still around? One member said he got a discount from him. Mike Wheat: One member said he hasn't purchased anything from him in awhile. Dave Murray: One member said Dave is on hiatus and should be removed. ================= Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:40:58 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Thursday Update From: "Samuel E. Taylor" I have bought from Paul Korst as well as Jack Kerkes. BOTH are nice guys and OBC worthy, especially Paul. His cards are set up and organized in binders that are easy to thumb through for set collectors like us. TWO thumbs up for those guys. Sam Taylor On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Thanks for all the great feedback I am keeping a close account of all the > input. Once our new Certified Dealers are approved I will contact them to > ensure they do not mind being listed on our website. > One OBC member suggested that OBC Certified dealers be allowed to post on > our new "Dealer-Scum" server. We should probably rename the Dealer-Scum > server if we ever do this:) It's an idea I have thought about as well. I > know the OBCAC wants to move slowly with the Dealer-Scum server it has been > a big change for OBC and we are just starting the 90 day test period. > New Nominees: > 1. Mike McCann has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC > Certified. > 2. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC > Certified. > 3. Ron Estes has eleven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC > Certified. > 4. Jerry Nelson has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC > Certified. > 5. Paul Korst has three confirmations and needs two more. > Today I want to present one other for consideration: > 6. Jack Kerkes (Jacks Cards) Jack had three confirmations and needs two > more. > All Certified Dealers listed on the OBC Page have been confirmed and > vouched for except these listed dealers. I need more feedback and please > provide recent experience. I'm getting feedback that says "he's only on > ebay" then "in the past I received a discount". > *Ron Barrett:* One member said he sold his inventory and is no longer > setting up. > *Jimmy Cardascia:* No feedback received > *Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards): * One member feedback said Greg fell on hard > time and is just getting back into the hobby. One member feedback said he > got a discount in the past. > *Zack Grakal (California Cards):* One member said I hardly buy from. One > member said OK. Two members said mixed pretty reasonable on-line store > purchases but no special discounts and numerous SNAFUS getting the cards > that were ordered. > *Bill Henderson:* One said he got discounts in the past. One said Bill is > retired and only on Ebay now. > *Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards):* One member said he got a discount > on his website. > *John Morrison:* One member said he hasn't purchased anything recently. > One member said he is mostly on ebay and should be removed. One member said > he bought some cards from him 7 years ago is he still around? One member > said he got a discount from him. > *Mike Wheat:* One member said he hasn't purchased anything from him in > awhile. > *Dave Murray:* One member said Dave is on hiatus and should be removed. > Guru Sam Taylor ================= Date: 16 Oct 2014 08:08:18 -0700 To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers Wednesday Update From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 00:36:21 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Building early basketball From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 05:26:27 +0000 (UTC) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: Re: Milton Bradley help From: Gary Beard Sal (et. al.),If you check the back of the Milton Bradley cards (specifically the "RA1" on any line on the back) if the number 1 in "RA1" has a line on the bottom of it, the card is a '72 Milton Bradley. If the 1 has noline across the bottom the card is a '69 Milton Bradley. Basically, if the "1" has a base, it's a '72, if it has no base it's a '69. That's how I tell them apart.Hope that helps, and I hope I'm doing it correctly, Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 06:39:59 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Building Early Basketball From: Larry Tipton Wes: It's a difficult set to complete. '48 Bowman baseball cards are everywhere. '48 Bowman football cards are easy to find as well. But the '48 Bowman basketball cards not so much. I'm adding maybe four or five hits a year now, and am at 58% (42 of 72) complete. George Mikan (RC) NM $4,500 by far the most expensive card in the set. Last card in the set Carl Braun (RC) $500 NM. Red Holzman (RC) $450 NM. I'm looking at an on-line price guide and it looks like two series of cards 1-36 commons $55 in NM, 37-72 commons $100 in NM. If I can find beat up commons less that $10 I purchase them. ================= To: Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:29:17 -0400 Subject: Kansas City From: "Bob Donaldson" Will be in Kansas City next week for business. Anyone around? Any tips to getting World Series tickets!!! ================= To: larrygers@aol.com, notify-dg-OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 15:54:11 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I agree with Gersh on the below dealers. Mike Sandles does not do businessvia mail, just at shows. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: larrygers@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: notify-dg-OBC-Ramblings ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 15, 2014 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 Three dealers on your don't know list I've dealt with extensively over the years. Mike Sandles-He is without a doubt my favorite dealer. He's from Detroit area so the FOOT contingent know him well. Great prices on vintage cards & gives up to a 33% discount on purchases. Hehas given OBC thousands of cards to be distributed over the years. He sets up in Cincinnati every month. Biggest drawback is the cards are displayed by price in boxes, not by year. However if you ask him what you're looking for he can point you in the right direction. William Chappel-Great dealer who has boxes of off grade vintage. I've purchased most of my Goudeys from him. Wayne Johnson-sets up with Heckathorn at the Cincy shows. Yes he has mostlygraded, but if you get to the show early (before Ron Perry) he generally has a box of off grade specifically for OBC. He has finished off a couple of my sets- 56T is an example, & he gave me a great deal on the Hi# Coleman card to kill it. My two cents, -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 14, 2014 2:26 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4797 OBC (Ramblings) Group 15 Messages Digest #4797 OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by "Jimi" jimivintage Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* by Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann by "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock Re: Larrie Dean by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Larrie Dean by "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock Re: Dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: Dealers by "Jimi" Re: Dealers by "TJValacak" Re: Dealers by "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find by Re: "OBC Friendly" by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton OBC Certified dealers by "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Re: OBC Certified dealers by "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:18 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=E2=99t. Please don=E2=99t get mad if I don=E2=99t know someone I should there are a couple I =E2=9Cthink=E2=9D I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=E2=99m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =E2=9Cdiscounts=E2=9D others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =E2=9COBC Friendly=E2=9D means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=E2=99t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=E2=99t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =E2=9Cunknown=E2=9D to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (3) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:30 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage It would be nice if we had pics for all these guys as I might remember them better. :) I am surprised Wayne Johnson is on this list. I have found his inventory to be mostly graded stuff and highly priced items. I don't even remember him having low grade stuff at his tables when I saw him 3 times this year. Iwill say though that he did buy some graded stuff from me at good prices though and he was easy to work with and very kind. Just my 2 cents. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:18 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD I should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. > I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly?Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? > So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? > I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that I should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad > Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): > 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) > 2. Chandy Greenholt > 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) > 4. Randy Kniffin > 5. Mark Macrae > 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) > 7. Kevin Savage > 8. Kurt Tourdot > Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD to me by their listing (PLEASE NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): > 9. Ron Barrett > 10. Jimmy Cardascia > 11. William Chappel > 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) > 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) > 14. Bill Henderson > 15. Wayne Johnson > 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) > 17. Bob McLean > 18. John Morrison > 19. Mike Sandies > 20. Mike Wheat > 21. Dick Zimmerman > Remove: > 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the hobby > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (3) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK* Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: My opinion ....don't include a dealer just because he says he will offer a discount. You'll be able to tell when dealing with him whether that means 10% off an item already 50% overpriced or a true deal to incentivize OBC activity due to the size of our group. Stick to this that Guru already said: So it looks like the OBC requirement =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? OBC Forever, Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ------ Original Message ------ From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: October 14, 2014 at 5:19 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified Dealers *NEED MEMBER As appointed by the OBCAC, I am reviewing the list of OBC Certified Dealers maintained on our webpage. The requirement to remain on our list is to be =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD. Some of the listed dealers I know well, others I probably should know but don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t. Please don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t get mad if I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know someone I should there are a couple I =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93think=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD should know. Once the list is reviewed I hope to contact each dealer and update their information and maybe try to get pictures for all certified dealers. I=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2m thinking what does it mean to be OBC Friendly? Some dealers offer OBC =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93discounts=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD others do not. Certified Dealer Chandy Greenholt does not offer an OBC discount, but he brings nothing but OBC material to shows and is always an OBC favorite. Zach Grakal (California Sportscards) offers OBC discount code 10% if you type OBC at checkout, but lately there are monthly codes for anyone to enter to get the same price. If California Sportscards is listed why not Ebay or COMC? So it looks like the OBC requirment =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93OBC Friendly=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD means stock off grade material and price it fairly? I am looking for feedback on the dealers listed on our page that I don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t know. Now I am sure I will list a dealer that should know and probably have spent a bunch of time at their tables I just don=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=E2=84=A2t have that much experience with them and I have a bad memory. Dealers I know and should remain listed (no feedback needed): 1. Dick Decourey (Uncle Dick) 2. Chandy Greenholt 3. JD Heckathorn (Card Kingdom) 4. Randy Kniffin 5. Mark Macrae 6. Roger Neufeldt (Sports Memories) 7. Kevin Savage 8. Kurt Tourdot Dealers =C3=A2=E2=82=AC=C5=93unknown=C3=A2=E2=82=AC=EF=BF=BD to me by theirlisting NEED MEMBER FEEDBACK): 9. Ron Barrett 10. Jimmy Cardascia 11. William Chappel 12. Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards) 13. Zack Grakal (California Cards) 14. Bill Henderson 15. Wayne Johnson 16. Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards) 17. Bob McLean 18. John Morrison 19. Mike Sandies 20. Mike Wheat 21. Dick Zimmerman 22. Dave Murray (Tiger Dave) reported to be on hiatus from the Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (3) . Top ^ Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann Tue Oct 14, 2014 5:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before Ipresent his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:03 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock I would also like to present/offer Larrie Dean (NOT the Dean from "Dean's Cards") out of Midlothian, VA. I've seen him for years at the Raleigh shows and bought stuff from him in the past, but it was only recently that he "realized" there was a market for the off-condition stuff, and starting supplying it at shows. He offers a 10% discount to OBCers, if I remember correctly. And he approached me about becoming an OBC certified dealeras I believe a few of you bought items from him at the 2014 National (Spike, Sal?). He was on the autograph side of the room and has a decent selection of all kinds of cards, including quite a bit of pre-war. He's in his mid-sixties, shorter, with glasses and a salt-and-pepper beard. If you remember buying something from him (or not buying something from him), please speak upwith your thoughts. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 08:26:41 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Possible OBC Certified Dealer addition: Mike McCann I would like to present "OBC Friendly" dealer Mike McCann for inclusion on our Certified Dealer page. At the Chicago National in 2013 several members were digging through his discounted 3200 count boxes, and at last years National he gave nice OBC discounts to already fairly priced cards. I need four other OBC members to agree with this recommendation before I present his name. Some how I remember that Mike was supposed to be included in the OBC Certified list but his name has not been added. No matter, I need four others to confirm so please contact me. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Larrie Dean Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:40 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support him. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Larrie Dean Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:06 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Taylor Schock" taylor_schock >>> I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? Yep! That's as good a description as any. To clarify, I'm not certain if its a 10% discount across the board (he has non-OBC and graded stuff too) or an additional 10% on OBC material. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:40:43 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Larrie Dean I will support Larrie Dean I remember him from this years National I "think" he resembles Richard Dryfuss (Jaws)? He had a very large display area in Cleveland almost a whole "block" of tables. I bought a few cards from him too, and now he wants to become a certified dealer and now 10% discount I support Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 6:45 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:01 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Jimi" jimivintage His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol I started looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selection and most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 8:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "TJ Valacak" tjv815 I know there are a couple o guys from the Detroit area set up.Thy always have the back of their display area loaded with comics. I know they have put the "OBC friendly" sign up before. However, I don't think they have had material or savings that fits us. Back when I first joined OBC, I would sit at their table for a few hours, going through their dollar box. Usually found some high numbers and some other goodies in their as well. Their half price box had a few good pills as well. But in more recent years, I haven't noticed much. Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 14, 2014, at 8:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly"(I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland they were set up by the Ferris Wheel. > Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could producesome reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for ourdealers to display? > Comments Please > Guru Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Re: Dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:14 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. I think making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2014 10:01 AM To: Larry Tipton Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Dealers His name slips my mind, too, but I remember going to that table by the Ferris wheel with a friend I was with. He saw me with my OBC hat and was very nice and directed me to the "OBC Section" of his table saying that's the stuff I really want (not the stuff I had been looking at previously). lol Istarted looking through the boxes, and I was disappointed by the selectionand most of all the prices. I wasn't impressed at all. Sent from my iPad On Oct 14, 2014, at 9:45 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: What dealer sets up at the National and has that HUGE sign "OBC Friendly" (I usually don't buy much there but enjoy seeing the sign) In Cleveland theywere set up by the Ferris Wheel. Also after we get the dealer list squared up I wonder if we could produce some reusable vinal signs with our logo and "OBC Certified Dealer" for our dealers to display? Comments Please No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4765 / Virus Database: 4040/8365 - Release Date: 10/11/14 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (5) . Top ^ Oh to find a once in a lifetime.....find Tue Oct 14, 2014 7:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: I have been following (not bidding) on a number of complete early 1960 Post panels (both baseball and football) on eBay. So far all of them have been 1962. Like this one that has three SPs on it: http://www.ebay.com/itm/171489903970?ssPageNameSTRK:MEDWX:IT&_tr\ So I reached out to the seller. Her response--she went to an estate sale and saw this bag of back panels. She didn't really know anything about them--but the whole bag was only $7.00. That is correct $7 dollars. A quick tabulation takes the total above $2500.00 so far in sales. Oh to be that lucky once..... (well maybe I was with my $2 1962 Jello Bobby Richardson). Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (1) . Top ^ Re: "OBC Friendly" Tue Oct 14, 2014 10:37 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton "Same here. Was excited by the sign, but very disappointed. Ithink making, distributing and maintaining (including removal) of signs would be problematic Thanks Bob" Good point about maintaining (and removal) of OBC certified vinal signs I hadn't thought of that. Nobody seems to know the name of the dealer that displays that "OBC Friendly" sign. He might be OBC Friendly and not one of our certified dealers? I agree with Bob Jimi and TJ their stuff is not that great. Anybody know who they Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (1) . Top ^ OBC Certified dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:23 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Larry Tipton" gurularrytipton Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 Bob McLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Re: OBC Certified dealers Tue Oct 14, 2014 11:26 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mac Wubben" McBrick34 I'll support the Larrie Dean and Ron Estes nominations...don'tknow To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 14:23:33 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Certified dealers Sorry to keep clogging up the server. Unknown (to me) listed dealer #17 BobMcLean I remember him now. He set up next to Ron Estes at last years National and is VERY OBC friendly and should be retained for sure. Ron Estes is not OBC Certified? He is one of the best! I nominate Ron Estes for OBC Certified dealer and need four others to confirm before consideration please also any feedback. New nominees: Mike McCann (has three votes so far) Larrie Dean (not Deans Cards) (has two votes so far) Ron Estes (has one vote so far) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . Messages (2) . Top ^ Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html VISIT YOUR GROUP =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 06:04:45 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Certified Dealers Saturday Update From: Larry Tipton Last update and thanks for all the responses. New Nominees: 1. Mike McCann has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 2. Larrie Dean has seven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 3. Ron Estes has eleven confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 4. Jerry Nelson has eight confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 5. Paul Korst has six confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. 6. Jack Kerkes (Jacks Cards) has five confirmations enough to be presented for OBC Certified. All Certified Dealers listed on the OBC Page have been confirmed and vouched for except these listed dealers: Ron Barrett: One member said he sold his inventory and is no longer settingup. Jimmy Cardascia: No feedback received Greg Fisher (Cameo Cards): One member feedback said Greg fell on hard timeand is just getting back into the hobby. One member feedback said he got adiscount in the past. One member said he doesn't set up at shows anymore. Zack Grakal (California Cards): One member said I hardly buy from. One member said OK. Two members said mixed pretty reasonable on-line store purchases but no special discounts and numerous SNAFUS getting the cards that were ordered. One member said reasonable prices not amazing and if they treat all their customers the same are they really OBC preferred? Bill Henderson: One said he got discounts in the past. One said Bill is retired and only on Ebay now. ONe member said Bill does not set up at shows any Dave Levin (Daves Vintage BB Cards): One member said he got a discount on his John Morrison: One member said he hasn't purchased anything recently. One member said he is mostly on ebay and should be removed. One member said he bought some cards from him 7 years ago is he still around? One member said he got a discount from him. Mike Wheat: One member said he hasn't purchased anything from him in awhile. Dave Murray: One member said Dave is on hiatus and should be removed. ================= Date: 18 Oct 2014 11:48:40 -0700 To: Subject: Re: Certified Dealers Saturday Update From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:37:47 +0000 (UTC) To: "" Subject: VCP user out there? From: familytoad@comcast.net home owners insurance and /or collectibles insurance depending on how thenumbers play out.
Asking a favor which I would pay back in WL hits if Ican...
I have a few SGC sets , part sets , and then the real star of mycollection, my SGC HOF set.
(Link below)
http://www.sgccard.com/customsetcomposition.aspx?id463

I wonder if someone here is a VCP user who might be able to assist me on this project..either let me borrow yoursign-in for a little while (or look up hundreds of cards :-))
I want to start a sheet with the VCP average for my graded cards , so I can make the best decision on how to insure them. The safe deposit box is getting too full and I have to upgrade that too...

I know some will say"hey get your own VCP login", and maybe I will...but I only want to try this for a test, and maybe someone would like a few hits to their WL ;-) ya never know!!

Anyway, a true rambling ! Hahaha

OBC Forever
Brian


Sent from XFINITY Connect Mobile App ================= Date: 18 Oct 2014 16:21:42 -0700 To: Subject: Wiehe's Weird & Wacky Waiver Wire (Try Saying That Three Times Fast!) From: xtrjmx@cox.net ================= Date: 18 Oct 2014 17:26:10 -0700 To: Subject: But Wait... There's more! From: xtrjmx@cox.net ================= Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 20:41:25 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: National Pictures From: ChicoD1@aol.com I figured out what the problem was (tried to put too many pictures into an album in the groups site). I created two albums in the National folder. There should be a few good pictures of some of our dealers to use on the web site. Whoever is handling that, let me know if there is anyone you don't know and I'll put a name to the picture. In the National Album is Jerry and Kurt. In the National Part 2 is Bob McLean, Ron Estes, Paul Korst (I'm pretty sure), and Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 09:00:03 -0500 Subject: Down to the last 3- cards from 75/76 Topps basketball From: "ken goetsch" I am down to the last 3-cards needed from the 75/76 Topps basketball set......then that completes a my regular set needs from all basketball sets from I go 1- time a month card show in Milwaukee.........no dice on getting these the last 6-months...........Any help out there.....not really tough or high dollar cards. Thanks in advance for any consideration. 1975-76 TOPPS BASKETBALL SET ANY CONDITION Listed- 1-25-2004. 3 Cards needed. 125[Lakers Team],185[Ray],258[Beck]. Ken Goetsch 16 Parkview Lane Watertown, Wi. 53094 ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 07:50:03 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Anybody need Frank? From: Geno Wagner Anybody need a 1970 Frank Howard (#550)? I don't feel like going upstairs and putting him away=E2=A6 Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 09:09:33 -0700 To: Geno Wagner , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? From: Geno Wagner Wow=E2=A6six requests already! I guess I'll go get my cards and start hitting a few lists! Only one of you will get Frank, but I hope all of you get something. Anybody else in the Frank Howard lottery? Random drawing at Take Care, > From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >To: OBC Ramblings >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 8:50 AM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? >Anybody need a 1970 Frank Howard (#550)? I don't feel like going upstairsand putting him away=E2=A6 >Take Care, ================= Date: 20 Oct 2014 13:05:34 -0700 To: Subject: Waiver Wire 10/20: 1969 Topps extras From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 13:52:53 -0700 To: Geno Wagner , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? From: Geno Wagner I'm happy to report, everybody that requested Frank will get a card off their list=E2=A6.but only one of you get Frank! I saw him coaching first base in Candlestick a long time ago and couldn't believe how big he was. Good Take Care, > From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >To: Geno Wagner ; OBC Ramblings >Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:09 AM >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? >Wow=E2=A6six requests already! I guess I'll go get my cards and start hitting a few lists! Only one of you will get Frank, but I hope all of youget something. Anybody else in the Frank Howard lottery? Random drawing at >Take Care, >> From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" >>To: OBC Ramblings >>Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 8:50 AM >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? >>Anybody need a 1970 Frank Howard (#550)? I don't feel like going upstairs and putting him away=E2=A6 >>Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:37:22 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Holders, so many holders From: Andy Like others in the group, I'm overrun with extra card holders of a great variety of sizes and rigidity. I don't need or want them all, but I'm reluctant to throw them away. What are you doing? Sent from my iPad ================= To: , Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:03:04 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders From: Mac Wubben Since I buy about 50 cards for each one I get rid of, those extra holders go into the trash and I tuck the cards in the binders. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:37:22 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders Like others in the group, I'm overrun with extra card holders of a great variety of sizes and rigidity. I don't need or want them all, but I'm reluctant to throw them away. What are you doing? Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Andy'" , Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 16:18:44 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders From: "Grant Rainsley" When Tiger Dave was still active and we got together at a show, I gave him boxes of the damn things.......he needed them for his shipping of items.......he usually rewarded me with a card or two, for the holders, and for helping him sort through whatever he picked up. Maybe give them to a good and trusted Dealer who might give you "Future Considerations?" Might not happen, but it beats the landfill...... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: October-20-14 3:37 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders Like others in the group, I'm overrun with extra card holders of a great variety of sizes and rigidity. I don't need or want them all, but I'm reluctant to throw them away. What are you doing? Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:57:28 -0400 To: Grant Rainsley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders From: BBC Trading I also use the extras to stiffen packages when I send cards out. My wife picked up a box full of snap type single card holders for me from someone on Freecycle. I have a bunch of them if anyone uses them and wants some. Andy Huntoon Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:18 PM, "'Grant Rainsley' grains@shaw.ca [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > When Tiger Dave was still active and we got together at a show, I gave him boxes of the damn things.......he needed them for his shipping of items.......he usually rewarded me with a card or two, for the holders, and for helping him sort through whatever he picked up. Maybe give them to a good andtrusted Dealer who might give you =E2=9CFuture Considerations?=E2=9DMight not happen, but it beats the landfill...... > Grant > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Andy typecard@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Sent: October-20-14 3:37 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders > Like others in the group, I'm overrun with extra card holders of a great variety of sizes and rigidity. I don't need or want them all, but I'm reluctant to throw them away. What are you doing? > Andy > Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 19:58:52 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Holders, so many holders From: Larry Tipton Our local recycle center will only take plastic marked symbol 1 or 2. At the National this summer, I stopped by one of the corporate booths that sellsthese card saver and semi rigid holders, and I asked them if their products were symbol 1 or 2 plastic. They didn't know. I save the holders if they look new, but if they have tape on them or if they are scratched, I throw them away. I have so many of them. ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:15:47 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Holders, so many holders From: Anthony I have sold a lot on criaglist Sent from my iPad > On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:58 PM, Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Our local recycle center will only take plastic marked symbol 1 or 2. At the National this summer, I stopped by one of the corporate booths that sells these card saver and semi rigid holders, and I asked them if their products were symbol 1 or 2 plastic. They didn't know. > I save the holders if they look new, but if they have tape on them or if they are scratched, I throw them away. I have so many of them. > Guru ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:54:16 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en You ain't kidding! When I covered the Mets, Frank was hitting fungos out to the players. He had 6 baseballs in his back pocket. He decided to take a break and sat on the bench to talk to Bud Harrelson WITH the balls still in his pocket! Definitely a nice guy, but I sure as hell wouldn't want to piss him off! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/20/2014 4:52:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I'm happy to report, everybody that requested Frank will get a card off their list=E2=A6.but only one of you get Frank! I saw him coaching first base in Candlestick a long time ago and couldn't believe how big he was. Good stuff! Take Care, From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: Geno Wagner ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:09 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? Wow=E2=A6six requests already! I guess I'll go get my cards and start hitting a few lists! Only one of you will get Frank, but I hope all of you get something. Anybody else in the Frank Howard lottery? Random drawing at noon! Take Care, From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 8:50 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? Anybody need a 1970 Frank Howard (#550)? I don't feel like going upstairs and putting him away=E2=A6 Take Care, ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:35:29 +0000 (UTC) To: vct-vintagecardtraders com Subject: Help for one of my teachers From: talbot1@comcast.net Hello my friends, I have a non-cardboard request to ask of you tonight. Some of my teachers are making an effort to attain a classroom grant and one of my teachers is not doing so well. She has put in a proposal for our Archery Club, an innovative opportunity we have developed for our students with cooperation from the Michigan Department of Natural Resources. All you have to do to help is go to the following URL - resister to vote and vote for her project. You can vote 5 time tonight and if your are so inclined to help one more day you can do so tomorrow as well, there are only 2 more days to vote - so if you have a few moments won't you please help. Here is the URL - http://www.classroomcash.org/vote?id=1741# Go there - find the Vote Now dialouge box and click on the register now tab. Resister and play some "humaniod" game and get your voting code. Once you have your code you can vote for Mrs. Schrage up to 5 times a day (you will have to play the "hunaniod" game 5 times as well but I thought it was fun). THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------- MARK ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 01:57:19 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Holders, so many holders From: cardclctor@aol.com Everett's recycling program takes just about anything recyclable (paper, glass, cans and plastics 1->9), so a while back I just dumped a load of them into the 90 gallon bin they issued and didn't think twice about it. (Plus I get credits based on weight that I can redeem for coupons like a free Gatorade, movie tix and many others - cool!) Ken M In a message dated 10/20/2014 6:37:26 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Like others in the group, I'm overrun with extra card holders of a great variety of sizes and rigidity. I don't need or want them all, but I'm reluctant to throw them away. What are you doing? Sent from my iPad Posted by: Andy Although discussion of topics of general interest is permitted & encouraged on Ramblings, please remember that when referencing cards on the RAMBLINGS server, ONLY information about VINTAGE cards (1980 and earlier) is permitted. For post-1980 cards, please use ONLY the UV server. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html Yahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 23:22:40 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? From: Glenn Codere I have a fairly vivid memory of watching him bat against the Tigers on TV back when I was a kid. He looked like a giant swinging a toothpick! On Mon, 10/20/14, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? To: "Geno Wagner" , "OBC Ramblings" Date: Monday, October 20, 2014, 9:52 PM I'm happy to report, everybody that requested Frank will get a card off their list=E2=A6.but only one of you get Frank! I saw him coaching first base in Candlestick a long time ago and couldn't believe how big he was. Good stuff! From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: Geno Wagner ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 10:09 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? Wow=E2=A6six requests already! I guess I'll go get my cards and start hitting a few lists! Only one of you will get Frank, but I hope all of you get something. Anybody else in the Frank Howard lottery? Random drawing at noon! From: "Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 8:50 AM [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? Anybody need a 1970 Frank Howard (#550)? 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First priority for someone who is trying to put the set together and I will check your Option #2 is ten cards out of 44 starter set. ================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 12:54:17 -0500 To: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? From: Bob Donaldson When I was about 14 I snuck down to the first row seats behind the Brewers dugout at Fenway, he was the coach and tossed me a ball. I still have it! On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 1:22 AM, Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I have a fairly vivid memory of watching him bat against the Tigers on TV > back when I was a kid. He looked like a giant swinging a toothpick! > Glenn > -------------------------------------------- > On Mon, 10/20/14, Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] < > OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? > To: "Geno Wagner" , "OBC Ramblings" < > obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com> > Date: Monday, October 20, 2014, 9:52 PM > I'm happy to report, > everybody that requested Frank will get a card off their > list=E2=A6.but only one of you get Frank! I saw him coaching > first base in Candlestick a long time ago and couldn't > believe how big he was. Good stuff! > Take > Care,Geno > From: "Geno Wagner > illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: Geno Wagner > ; OBC Ramblings > > Sent: Monday, > October 20, 2014 10:09 > AM > Subject: Re: > [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? > Wow=E2=A6six requests > already! I guess I'll go get my cards and start > hitting a few lists! Only one of you will get Frank, but I > hope all of you get something. Anybody else in the Frank > Howard lottery? Random drawing at noon! > Take > Care,Geno > From: "Geno Wagner > illini_grad_90@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" > > To: OBC Ramblings > > Sent: Monday, > October 20, 2014 8:50 AM > Subject: > [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody need Frank? > Anybody need a 1970 Frank Howard > (#550)? 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================= Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 14:27:29 -0500 To: Ramblings Subject: Obc CPAs or tax preparers? From: Steve Rittenberg I need a new CPA or tax preparer. Before going out into the jungle and hiring a stranger, I thought I'd check if someone in OBC could help. I could probably complete my own return but prefer to pay for professional guidance. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 00:28:04 -0400 To: srittenberg@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Obc CPAs or tax preparers? From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Content-Language: en Doesn't Chuck Paris do that in his spare time when he nor sending out cards In a message dated 10/21/2014 2:27:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I need a new CPA or tax preparer. Before going out into the jungle and hiring a stranger, I thought I'd check if someone in OBC could help. I could probably complete my own return but prefer to pay for professional guidance. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 05:04:34 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Fundraiser Raffle - Baseball Autographs From: Mike Mackie Hi everyone My 13-year old son Daniel's baseball team, the Greenfield Jr. Hawks, is running a fundraiser to help cover expenses for the 2015 season. As much as I hate fundraising and hesitate sending this to you all, you guys are the group who might be interested in these items. There is a Word document attached with photos of the items, but here are the items that are 1) Autographed baseball - Pete Rose 2) Autographed baseball - Rollie Fingers 3) Autographed baseball - Cecil Cooper 4) Autographed baseball - Jim Gantner 5) Autographed photo - Gorman Thomas 6) The centerpiece of this raffle is a framed artwork signed by 12 members of the 3000 hit club: Aaron, Brock, Yount, Musial, Mays, Brett, Winfield, Rose, Kaline, Carew, Yastrzemski, Murray Raffle tickets are $2 each or 3 for $5 and the items come with a certificate of authenticity. Our coach was able to purchase these items at a discount from a local memorabilia dealer here in Milwaukee. If you're interested please let me know via email. I figure that any payments can be done via Paypal to macknife13@prodigy.net Thank you for reading, Mike Mackie ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Joni Sponholz To: lisa bunzel ; Lisa Cain ; Barry Fromm ; Joseph LaMonte ; paul Kafura ; Marcie Kafura ; Maria Mackie ; Mike Mackie ; "mendoza.ernie@sbcglobal.net" ; judi smits ; Brad Sponholz ; Dennis Walker ; Damon and Christine Weber ; Jason Will ; Jenni Will ; Karin Witt Sent: Thursday, October 9, 2014 2:58 PM Subject: Greenfield Jr. Hawks Raffle I have attached the flyer for the raffle so that you can make additional copies if you want them. Brad will be handing out a flyer with the raffle tickets when you pick them up for selling. We just thought you might want additional copies if you are allowed to post things in your break room at work or some other place that you think may generate sales. Each family will be given 100 tickets to sell and there will be more available if you run out and would like to sell more. The more tickets we sell the the more money we will have for the team to use towards tournaments, etc. Thanks for your participation! Joni L. Sponholz ================= To: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 12:59:05 -0500 Subject: Wrigley Construction/Demolition From: "George Vrechek" I went to Wrigley Field today to photograph the current construction, or shall I say destruction. This is a major project. They have ripped the skin off the outer outfield and demolished some sections before rebuilding. I'll attach a 2MB word document with the photos, but am guessing it won't go through our system. If you want the word file or any jpgs let me know and I'll email them to you directly. I didn't find any pieces of brick laying around. They will probably wind up in the Cubs' gift shop. ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:42:00 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: 1974 Wash. Nat'l Lea. #241 From: Jake Elwell Guys - I was going through my 1974 set the other day and noted my #241 (Glenn Beckert, in a CUBS uni) is a Washington variation. I don't collect variations so thought I'd put it up for grabs in case someone needs it. Claim away - FCFS - & don't forget your return address. Condition is VG-minus with minor ink on back btw. If someone wants to replace my #241 that'd be cool, though it'll be easy enough to find one in a dime box at my next show. Cheers from rainy Gotham, ================= To: Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 15:59:20 -0500 Subject: 1939 Goudey Premiums From: "George Vrechek" Has anyone in our group completed or have been working on the set known as R303A? They are large cards with drawings of playing tips on the back, brown sepia player photographs on the front, sort of like thin exhibit cards. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:19:00 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Throwing this to the group---Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Interesting to say the least. There appears to be 3 missing coins in the Sherriff set- (This from the TB post by Mike N- 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn (Cubs). I saw a guy on ebay with a "complete" set for sale and these 3 were missing. I would think they would have variations, as these guys all became Mets. Anyone have any insight to this? Might mean I could knock 3 coins off my wantlist! I wrote the guy who had the set for sale, see if he has any answers. _http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT) George I think I found your next article! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: mzentko@yahoo.com To: chicod1@aol.com Sent: 10/22/2014 2:07:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 Hello sal: I thought you might have some insight on Mike Napoleon from trading bases question about 62 salada coins mets Thanks, mark z Sent from mark z ipod Begin forwarded message: From: _Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com) Date: October 22, 2014, 4:01:00 AM CDT To: _Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 Reply-To: "No Reply"<_notify-dg-Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:notify-dg-Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com) > (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylcX3oDMTJkdDBnczBvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDEzO= _Baseball and other sports card traders Group _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/info;_ylcX3oDMTJkZzV2bmQzBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5 5 Messages Digest #6711 _1962 Salada Coin HELP! _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#1) by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 _Thanks for the eTopps BV help _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#2) by _1989 Kahns Mets _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#3) by bobfoxboro _Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#4) by "Pete" wizmaster21 _2014 Topps Update lot FT _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#5) by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 _1962 Salada Coin HELP! _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71844;_ylcX3oDMTJya2pyamo1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5 Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:09 am (PDT) . Posted by: _"Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 _ For years I had the understanding that there were 2 versions of several Mets from the 1962 Salada coin set. For years I have had a search notification on Ebay to let me know if these ever come up for sale. Never have. I have only seen the players depicted on coins in their previous teams jersey. Can anyone verify that the following coins have versions as NY Mets: 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn Thanks for any help. Mike Napoleon 3445 Iron Rock Ct Pennsauken, NJ 08109 _Reply to sender _ _Reply to group _ . _Reply via Web Post _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/messages/71844;_ylcX3 sageNum71844) . _All Messages (1) _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71844;_ylcX3oDMTM3NDJ0dWNxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1B wN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTM5Njg0NjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4NDQ-) . _Top ^ _ _Thanks for the eTopps BV help _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71845;_ylcX3oDMTJybDkxZWM0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdy Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: _lllguyjmd _ Yesterday, I posted a request for help with the Online Price Guide from Beckett, looking for a few eTopps BV's. LOL, I checked my emails this morning, and I was swamped by the following group members, all of whom took the time to help me out, and sent an email with the prices I wanted. It doesn't surprise me, it's Trading Bases, the best group around. Many Thanks to; Mike Napoleon Charlie Gale Mark Nickerson Ken Ortolon Ora Cropley Pat Looney Gary Kirk Jack Dworetzky 773 Chapel Drive Vineland, NJ 08361-2911 _Reply to sender _ . _Reply to group _ . _Reply via Web Post _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/messages/71845;_ylcX3oDMTJyamZrdnBiBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZA A-?actreply&messageNum71845) . _All Messages (1) _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71845;_ylcX3oDMTM3dWc0ZnE1B HNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTM5Njg0NjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4NDU-) . _Top ^ _ _1989 Kahns Mets _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71846;_ylcX3oDMTJybWxnYzU4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTg Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by: _bobfoxboro _ Hi Everyone, I haven't had much luck in trading for a while so I thought I would try and complete some 80's/90&##39;s Here is the second: 1989 Kahns Mets - near mint/mint D. Aase D. Cone S. Ferrnandez R. Meyers G. Pavlick J. Innis K. Miller J. Musselman F. Viola Sponsors Card Thanks for looking, Bob Perrotta _Reply to sender _ (mailto:bobfoxboro@yahoo.com?subjectRe:%201989%20Kahns%20Mets) . _Reply to group _ (mailto:Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com?subjectRe:%201989%20Kahns%20Mets) ._Reply via Web Post _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/messages/71846;_ylcX3oDMTJydGVyNjNsBF9TA _All Messages (1) _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71846;_ylcX3oDMTM3MW8xZGpuBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTgE MTM5Njg0NjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4NDY-) . _Top ^ _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#toc) _Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71847;_ylcX3oDMTJyNnZpYW5zBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BG Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: _"Pete" wizmaster21 _ Big Kev sent over some rainy day joy with an assortment of Yankees cards like Documentary and YSL and a Kuroda Black Chrome #D/100 and the customary pack, this time a 1999 Stadium Club, thanks Kevin. Traders, take care PETE MEYERS http://freewebs.com/lordvonwiz _Reply to sender _ . _Reply to group _ . _Reply via Web Post _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/messages/71847;_ylcX3oDMTJyOGMwNGRoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTgEZ3 M5Njg0NjA-?actreply&messageNum71847) . _All Messages (1) _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71847;_ylcX3oDMTM3M zcxODQ3BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTM5Njg0NjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4NDc-) . _Top ^ _ (mip://0d2948a0/default.html#toc) _2014 Topps Update lot FT _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71848;_ylcX3oDMTJyajI5czJpBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAz Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: _"Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 _ I've got a lot that is around 10-20 cards short of a set if anyone is interested. Looking for 2014 Mets parallels or Trade bait in the form of Topps parallels of RC's. http://bonzomorettinymets.weebly.com/ Thanks...Go Royals!!!(they remind me of the '69 Mets. Defense, Pitching and timely hitting) Mike Napoleon 3445 Iron Rock Ct Pennsauken, NJ 08109 _Reply to sender _ . _Reply to group _ . _Reply via Web Post _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/messages/71848 eply&messageNum71848) . _All Messages (1) _ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/conversations/topics/71848;_ylcX3oDMTM3YXJwOHQyBF9TAzk3M XNnBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzE0MTM5Njg0NjAEdHBjSWQDNzE4NDg-) . _Top ^ _ _Visit Your Group_ (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/Tradingbases/info;_ylcX3oDMTJlZXUwdnZqBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYy (https://groups.yahoo.com/neo;_ylcX3oDMTJkdDBnczBvBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzE5Mjk3MTgEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYyMjgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxNDEzO= =E2=A2 _Privacy_ (https://info.yahoo.com/privacy/us/yahoo/groups/details.html) =E2=A2 _Unsubscribe_ (mailto:Tradingbases-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subjectUnsubscribe) =E2=A2 _Terms of Use_ (https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/) ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 22:21:06 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: dealer pics From: ChicoD1@aol.com Anyone remember what this guy's name is? I was interested in becoming an OBC dealer. Bought a Snider off him. I think Mike or Steve have dealt with him... Nice guy who provided fair price and a discount (maybe because of the OBC hat)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: larrytipton@windstream.net To: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: 10/21/2014 9:08:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: dealer pics Sal who is this? ================= Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:38:05 -0700 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Throwing this to the group---Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 From: Rick If you look in the SCD book it says there is 21 coins not issued in the shirriff set those 3 are in the 21. It lists which ones that aren't issued. Sothe guy selling the complete set should be missing 21 or he put salada coins in shirriff holders. There is also a correlation between the missing 21 shirriff coins with the short prints in the salada set. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 22, 2014, at 7:19 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] > Interesting to say the least. There appears to be 3 missing coins in the Sherriff set- (This from the TB post by Mike N- 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn (Cubs). I saw a guy on ebay with a "complete" set for sale and these 3 were missing. I would think they would have variations, as these guys all became Mets. Anyone have any insight to this? Might mean I could knock 3 coins off my wantlist! I wrote the guy who had the set for sale, see if he has any answers. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT > George I think I found your next article! > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > From: mzentko@yahoo.com > To: chicod1@aol.com > Sent: 10/22/2014 2:07:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time > Subj: Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 > Hello sal: > I thought you might have some insight on > Mike Napoleon from trading bases question about 62 salada coins mets > Thanks, mark z > Sent from mark z ipod > Begin forwarded message: >> From: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com >> Date: October 22, 2014, 4:01:00 AM CDT >> To: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com >> Subject: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 >> Reply-To: "No Reply" >> Baseball and other sports card traders Group >> 5 Messages Digest #6711 >> 1 1962 Salada Coin HELP! by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >> 2 Thanks for the eTopps BV help by lllguyjmd >> 3 1989 Kahns Mets by bobfoxboro >> 4 Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! by "Pete" wizmaster21 >> 5 2014 Topps Update lot FT by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >> Messages >> 1 1962 Salada Coin HELP! >> Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:09 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >> For years I had the understanding that there were 2 versions of several Mets from the 1962 Salada coin set. For years I have had a search notification on Ebay to let me know if these ever come up for sale. Never have. I have only seen the players depicted on coins in their previous teams jersey. Can anyone verify that the following coins have versions as NY Mets: >> 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn (Cubs) >> Thanks for any help. >> Peace, >> Mike Napoleon >> 3445 Iron Rock Ct >> Pennsauken, NJ 08109 >> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ >> 2 Thanks for the eTopps BV help >> Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: lllguyjmd >> Yesterday, I posted a request for help with the Online Price Guide from >> Beckett, looking for a few eTopps BV's. >> LOL, I checked my emails this morning, and I was swamped by the following >> group members, all of whom took the time to help me out, and sent an email >> with the prices I wanted. It doesn't surprise me, it's Trading Bases, the >> best group around. >> Many Thanks to; >> Mike Napoleon >> Charlie Gale >> Mark Nickerson >> Ken Ortolon >> Ora Cropley >> Pat Looney >> Gary Kirk >> Regards; >> Jack >> Jack Dworetzky >> 773 Chapel Drive >> Vineland, NJ 08361-2911 >> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ >> 3 1989 Kahns Mets >> Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by: bobfoxboro >> Hi Everyone, >> I haven't had much luck in trading for a while so I thought I would try and complete some 80's/90's sets. >> Here is the second: >> 1989 Kahns Mets - near mint/mint >> D. Aase >> D. Cone >> S. Ferrnandez >> R. Meyers >> G. Pavlick >> J. Innis >> K. Miller >> J. Musselman >> F. Viola >> Sponsors Card >> Thanks for looking, >> Bob Perrotta >> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ >> 4 Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! >> Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Pete" wizmaster21 >> Big Kev sent over some rainy day joy with an assortment of Yankees cardslike Documentary and YSL and a Kuroda Black Chrome #D/100 and the customary pack, this time a 1999 Stadium Club, thanks Kevin. >> Traders, take care >> PETE MEYERS >> http://freewebs.com/lordvonwiz >> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ >> 5 2014 Topps Update lot FT >> Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >> I've got a lot that is around 10-20 cards short of a set if anyone is interested. Looking for 2014 Mets parallels or Trade bait in the form of Topps parallels of RC's. >> wantlist- >> http://bonzomorettinymets.weebly.com/ >> Thanks...Go Royals!!!(they remind me of the '69 Mets. Defense, Pitching and timely hitting) >> Peace, >> Mike Napoleon >> 3445 Iron Rock Ct >> Pennsauken, NJ 08109 >> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1). Top ^ >> VISIT YOUR GROUP >> =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= Date: 23 Oct 2014 14:04:52 -0700 To: Subject: Salada coins From: rlabs1@yahoo.com ================= Date: 23 Oct 2014 15:11:54 -0700 To: Subject: 1967 Variation - Blank Back From: bskp1@aol.com ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 19:21:32 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1967 Variation - Blank Back From: richard dingman Blank backs pop up all over the place, not too unusual... Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 15:11:54 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1967 Variation - Blank Back Anyone know anything about this? Please fill me in if you do. Thanks. 1967 TOPPS DICK HOWSER *BLANK BACK* EXMT *VERY RARE* 1967 TOPPS DICK HOWSER *BLANK BACK* EXMT *VE... US $20.38 in Sports Mem, Cards & Fan Shop, Cards, Baseball View on www.ebay.com Preview by Yahoo ================= Date: 23 Oct 2014 18:05:42 -0700 To: Subject: 10/23 Waiver Wire: Random stuff From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 01:03:46 -0400 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Throwing this to the group---Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest N... From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en This is the reply I got from the ebay dealer regarding the coins...perfectly logical... New message from: _seaweed2270_ (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1181/7?euid4cdb5d0af1d54a5a87a3bcf31c791a91&lochttp://myworld.ebay.com/seaw xtext) _ (10439)_ (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/e11051.m44.l1183/7?euid4cdb5d0af1d54a5a87a3bcf31c791a91&lochttp://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl There were 21 coins made in the Salada set but not made in the Shirriff set. The Shirriff set was made much later in the year in 1962 and some players were traded to other teams or got hurt so they did not include them. Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/22/2014 10:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rick.lyons22@yahoo.com writes: If you look in the SCD book it says there is 21 coins not issued in the shirriff set those 3 are in the 21. It lists which ones that aren't issued.So the guy selling the complete set should be missing 21 or he put salada coins in shirriff holders. There is also a correlation between the missing21 shirriff coins with the short prints in the salada set. Sent from my iPad On Oct 22, 2014, at 7:19 PM, _ChicoD1@aol.com_ (mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: Interesting to say the least. There appears to be 3 missing coins in the Sherriff set- (This from the TB post by Mike N- 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn (Cubs). I saw a guy on ebay with a "complete" set for sale and these 3 were missing. I would think they would have variations, as these guys all became Mets. Anyone have any insight to this? Might mean I could knock 3 coins off my wantlist! I wrote the guy who had the set for sale, see if he has any answers. _http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNam (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT) George I think I found your next article! 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Posted by: _"Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 _ For years I had the understanding that there were 2 versions of several Mets from the 1962 Salada coin set. For years I have had a search notification on Ebay to let me know if these ever come up for sale. Never have. have only seen the players depicted on coins in their previous teams jersey. Can anyone verify that the following coins have versions as NY Mets: 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn Thanks for any help. 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From: Rick And I believe the same 21 were pulled from printing in the salada coins creating the short prints and they added coins 201-221 in there place Sent from my iPad > On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com wrote: > This is the reply I got from the ebay dealer regarding the coins...perfectly > New message from: seaweed2270 (10439) > There were 21 coins made in the Salada set > but not made in the Shirriff set. The Shirriff set was made much > later in the year in 1962 and some players were traded to other > teams or got hurt so they did not include > them. > Sal Domino > OBC - 1992 > In a message dated 10/22/2014 10:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rick.lyons22@yahoo.com > If you look in the SCD book it says there is 21 coins not issued in the shirriff set those 3 are in the 21. It lists which ones that aren't issued. So the guy selling the complete set should be missing 21 or he put salada coins in shirriff holders. There is also a correlation between the missing 21 shirriff coins with the short prints in the salada set. > Sent from my iPad >> On Oct 22, 2014, at 7:19 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >> Interesting to say the least. There appears to be 3 missing coins in theSherriff set- (This from the TB post by Mike N- 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn (Cubs). I saw a guy on ebay with a "complete" set for sale and these 3 were missing. I would think they would have variations, as these guys all became Mets. Anyone have any insight to this? Might mean I could knock 3 coins off my wantlist! I wrote the guy who had the set for sale, see if he has any answers. >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT >> George I think I found your next article! >> Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> From: mzentko@yahoo.com >> To: chicod1@aol.com >> Sent: 10/22/2014 2:07:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time >> Subj: Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 >> Hello sal: >> I thought you might have some insight on >> Mike Napoleon from trading bases question about 62 salada coins mets >> Thanks, mark z >> Sent from mark z ipod >> Begin forwarded message: >>> From: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com >>> Date: October 22, 2014, 4:01:00 AM CDT >>> To: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com >>> Subject: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 >>> Reply-To: "No Reply" >>> Baseball and other sports card traders Group >>> 5 Messages Digest #6711 >>> 1 1962 Salada Coin HELP! by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>> 2 Thanks for the eTopps BV help by lllguyjmd >>> 3 1989 Kahns Mets by bobfoxboro >>> 4 Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! by "Pete" wizmaster21 >>> 5 2014 Topps Update lot FT by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>> Messages >>> 1 1962 Salada Coin HELP! >>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:09 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>> For years I had the understanding that there were 2 versions of severalMets from the 1962 Salada coin set. For years I have had a search notification on Ebay to let me know if these ever come up for sale. Never have. I have only seen the players depicted on coins in their previous teams jersey.Can anyone verify that the following coins have versions as NY Mets: >>> 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn(Cubs) >>> Thanks for any help. >>> Peace, >>> Mike Napoleon >>> 3445 Iron Rock Ct >>> Pennsauken, NJ 08109 >>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>> 2 Thanks for the eTopps BV help >>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: lllguyjmd >>> Yesterday, I posted a request for help with the Online Price Guide from >>> Beckett, looking for a few eTopps BV's. >>> LOL, I checked my emails this morning, and I was swamped by the following >>> group members, all of whom took the time to help me out, and sent an email >>> with the prices I wanted. It doesn't surprise me, it's Trading Bases, the >>> best group around. >>> Many Thanks to; >>> Mike Napoleon >>> Charlie Gale >>> Mark Nickerson >>> Ken Ortolon >>> Ora Cropley >>> Pat Looney >>> Gary Kirk >>> Regards; >>> Jack >>> Jack Dworetzky >>> 773 Chapel Drive >>> Vineland, NJ 08361-2911 >>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>> 3 1989 Kahns Mets >>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by: bobfoxboro >>> Hi Everyone, >>> I haven't had much luck in trading for a while so I thought I would tryand complete some 80's/90's sets. >>> Here is the second: >>> 1989 Kahns Mets - near mint/mint >>> D. Aase >>> D. Cone >>> S. Ferrnandez >>> R. Meyers >>> G. Pavlick >>> J. Innis >>> K. Miller >>> J. Musselman >>> F. Viola >>> Sponsors Card >>> Thanks for looking, >>> Bob Perrotta >>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>> 4 Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! >>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Pete" wizmaster21 >>> Big Kev sent over some rainy day joy with an assortment of Yankees cards like Documentary and YSL and a Kuroda Black Chrome #D/100 and the customary pack, this time a 1999 Stadium Club, thanks Kevin. >>> Traders, take care >>> PETE MEYERS >>> http://freewebs.com/lordvonwiz >>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>> 5 2014 Topps Update lot FT >>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>> I've got a lot that is around 10-20 cards short of a set if anyone is interested. Looking for 2014 Mets parallels or Trade bait in the form of Topps parallels of RC's. >>> wantlist- >>> http://bonzomorettinymets.weebly.com/ >>> Thanks...Go Royals!!!(they remind me of the '69 Mets. Defense, Pitchingand timely hitting) >>> Peace, >>> Mike Napoleon >>> 3445 Iron Rock Ct >>> Pennsauken, NJ 08109 >>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>> VISIT YOUR GROUP >>> =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 05:49:13 -0700 To: Rick Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Throwing this to the group---Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest N... From: Rick I wasn't finished, correction they added 181-221. 20 mets, 20 colts and thenew 21 coins to get to the 221 total without variations. So the shirriff coin took off that getting 200 taking off the 21 dropped by salada. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:43 AM, Rick rick.lyons22@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] > And I believe the same 21 were pulled from printing in the salada coins creating the short prints and they added coins 201-221 in there place > Sent from my iPad >> On Oct 23, 2014, at 10:03 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com wrote: >> This is the reply I got from the ebay dealer regarding the coins...perfectly >> New message from: seaweed2270 (10439) >> There were 21 coins made in the Salada set >> but not made in the Shirriff set. The Shirriff set was made much >> later in the year in 1962 and some players were traded to other >> teams or got hurt so they did not include >> them. >> Sal Domino >> OBC - 1992 >> In a message dated 10/22/2014 10:38:08 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, rick.lyons22@yahoo.com >> If you look in the SCD book it says there is 21 coins not issued in the shirriff set those 3 are in the 21. It lists which ones that aren't issued.So the guy selling the complete set should be missing 21 or he put salada coins in shirriff holders. There is also a correlation between the missing 21 shirriff coins with the short prints in the salada set. >> Sent from my iPad >>> On Oct 22, 2014, at 7:19 PM, ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] >>> Interesting to say the least. There appears to be 3 missing coins in the Sherriff set- (This from the TB post by Mike N- 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn (Cubs). I saw a guy on ebay with a "complete" set for sale and these 3 were missing. I would think theywould have variations, as these guys all became Mets. Anyone have any insight to this? Might mean I could knock 3 coins off my wantlist! I wrote theguy who had the set for sale, see if he has any answers. >>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/331352903861?_trksidp2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT >>> George I think I found your next article! >>> Sal Domino >>> OBC - 1992 >>> From: mzentko@yahoo.com >>> To: chicod1@aol.com >>> Sent: 10/22/2014 2:07:35 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time >>> Subj: Fwd: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 >>> Hello sal: >>> I thought you might have some insight on >>> Mike Napoleon from trading bases question about 62 salada coins mets >>> Thanks, mark z >>> Sent from mark z ipod >>> Begin forwarded message: >>>> From: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com >>>> Date: October 22, 2014, 4:01:00 AM CDT >>>> To: Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com >>>> Subject: [Tradingbases] Digest Number 6711 >>>> Reply-To: "No Reply" >>>> Baseball and other sports card traders Group >>>> 5 Messages Digest #6711 >>>> 1 1962 Salada Coin HELP! by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>>> 2 Thanks for the eTopps BV help by lllguyjmd >>>> 3 1989 Kahns Mets by bobfoxboro >>>> 4 Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! by "Pete" wizmaster21 >>>> 5 2014 Topps Update lot FT by "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>>> Messages >>>> 1 1962 Salada Coin HELP! >>>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 4:09 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>>> For years I had the understanding that there were 2 versions of several Mets from the 1962 Salada coin set. For years I have had a search notification on Ebay to let me know if these ever come up for sale. Never have. I have only seen the players depicted on coins in their previous teams jersey. Can anyone verify that the following coins have versions as NY Mets: >>>> 1962 SALADA COINS- 104 Thomas (Braves), 116 Bouchee (Cubs), 171 Ashburn >>>> Thanks for any help. >>>> Peace, >>>> Mike Napoleon >>>> 3445 Iron Rock Ct >>>> Pennsauken, NJ 08109 >>>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>>> 2 Thanks for the eTopps BV help >>>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 5:07 am (PDT) . Posted by: lllguyjmd >>>> Yesterday, I posted a request for help with the Online Price Guide from >>>> Beckett, looking for a few eTopps BV's. >>>> LOL, I checked my emails this morning, and I was swamped by the following >>>> group members, all of whom took the time to help me out, and sent an email >>>> with the prices I wanted. It doesn't surprise me, it's Trading Bases, the >>>> best group around. >>>> Many Thanks to; >>>> Mike Napoleon >>>> Charlie Gale >>>> Mark Nickerson >>>> Ken Ortolon >>>> Ora Cropley >>>> Pat Looney >>>> Gary Kirk >>>> Regards; >>>> Jack >>>> Jack Dworetzky >>>> 773 Chapel Drive >>>> Vineland, NJ 08361-2911 >>>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>>> 3 1989 Kahns Mets >>>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 8:24 am (PDT) . Posted by: bobfoxboro >>>> Hi Everyone, >>>> I haven't had much luck in trading for a while so I thought I would try and complete some 80's/90's sets. >>>> Here is the second: >>>> 1989 Kahns Mets - near mint/mint >>>> D. Aase >>>> D. Cone >>>> S. Ferrnandez >>>> R. Meyers >>>> G. Pavlick >>>> J. Innis >>>> K. Miller >>>> J. Musselman >>>> F. Viola >>>> Sponsors Card >>>> Thanks for looking, >>>> Bob Perrotta >>>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>>> 4 Thankos to El Capitan Martens ! >>>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:28 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Pete" wizmaster21 >>>> Big Kev sent over some rainy day joy with an assortment of Yankees cards like Documentary and YSL and a Kuroda Black Chrome #D/100 and the customary pack, this time a 1999 Stadium Club, thanks Kevin. >>>> Traders, take care >>>> PETE MEYERS >>>> http://freewebs.com/lordvonwiz >>>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>>> 5 2014 Topps Update lot FT >>>> Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:34 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "Mike Napoleon" mnapoleon63 >>>> I've got a lot that is around 10-20 cards short of a set if anyone is interested. Looking for 2014 Mets parallels or Trade bait in the form of Topps parallels of RC's. >>>> wantlist- >>>> http://bonzomorettinymets.weebly.com/ >>>> Thanks...Go Royals!!!(they remind me of the '69 Mets. Defense, Pitching and timely hitting) >>>> Peace, >>>> Mike Napoleon >>>> 3445 Iron Rock Ct >>>> Pennsauken, NJ 08109 >>>> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ >>>> VISIT YOUR GROUP >>>> =E2=A2 Privacy =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms of Use ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:27:27 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: random waivers From: Brandon Wax You guys have been doing work on my sets lately and i havent had a lot of time to check want lists, i apologize for that. Here's a few waiver wire cards if i can help anybody out with them let me know. 1951 bowman baseball 147, 159 1969 topps football 3, 50, 80, 83, 85 1970 topps football 144 Willie Brown, 254 dan maynard 1955 bowman football 49 1960 topps baseball 37, 112 1961 topps baseball 163, 181, 198, 208 1959 topps baseball 494 1965 topps baseball 104 marked checklist 1970 topps scratch off Tim Mccarver ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:28:11 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: waiver wire ps From: Brandon Wax please include your address if you claim any, thanks! Brandon Wax ================= Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:21:28 -0400 To: "" Subject: I'm giving up.... From: Jimi ....on collecting variations from my Topps run. I was never super serious about it anyway, and I'd rather help those who are. I may change my mind next year or something, but I'd really rather focus on the main Topps run for now. I'm also focused on my T206 Abbaticchio back run and my HOF binders. So, anyway, I will have all kinds of stuff available from 1956 back variations, 1958 Topps variations, CLs from many sets, 1973 Topps coaches, 1974 Topps Washington, 1972 Topps variations including Cubs errors, '62T GREEN TINTS!!!, '69T variations, and plenty more. Let me know what you need! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 09:09:15 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: tough 1979 Topps Team sheet on Net54... From: Jim Thayer Hey guys, Those of you interested in tough Topps issues, there's a 1979 Topps Team sheet on Net54 from a good seller right now asking $35 delivered: Net54baseball.com Forums Net54baseball.com Forums Discussions of vintage baseball cards, autographs and sports memorabilia. View on www.net54baseball.com Preview by Yahoo I thought maybe some of you would have interest. I would have jumped on it when I was collecting that stuff. I have a couple '79T Team cards that were cut from a sheet, but getting a nice full one is tough. Later! ================= Date: 25 Oct 2014 10:14:33 -0700 To: Subject: Couple basketball tallboys available From: jehutch75@gmail.com ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 17:28:14 -0400 To: "" Subject: 1951 Bowman WAIVER WIRE!!! From: Jimi Hey guys, Can anyone use these 1951 Bowman cards? 35, 51, 52, 61, 79, 84, 142, 152, 155, 157, 161, 174, 176, 177, 178, 179, 215, 217, 220, 221, 226, 229, 234, 235, 239 I also have these: 1954 Bowman: #8, 30, 67, 184, 188, 214 1955 Bowman: #211 Please send your address! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:30:47 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Richard Dingman, OBC ambassador or My Cardshow Adventure From: ChicoD1@aol.com I think I'm spoiled. Going to a card show after being at so many Nationals just makes it so hard to have the same feeling. I went to the "Long Island National" (he said with a cough). Frank Howard was the freebee autograph, so being that kind of guy, I decided that my 62 Greenie would be awesome to get signed! I figured I would replace it down the road. Frank is still imposing, but needs the help of a cane to get around. Still one of the nicest guys, I relayed my interview with him 30 years ago and when I mentioned Bud Harrelson, he lit up saying he was a truly great baseball man. Even though he isn't listed, Buddy is my HOM guy. Always had a #3 Met shirt when I was a kid. Before I even left, I saw a package from Lynn Miller. I took it with me and opened it in the parking lot to check the 24 59s he sent (thanks on other At the show I saw a few local dealers I knew and bought a few odds and ends. In one of my odds and ends, I stumbled upon a GREEN Howard for 2 bucks, NO Nick, I still have my full run of greenies LOL. Met up with Mike McCann's buddy Greg Tatich. You might remember him from the National, we was on the corner next to Mike with all the cheap deals on supplies. He had his cards set up and mentioned if I knew RICHARD DINGMAN and that he sees him at shows from time to time. I said I knew him well. Picked up a few needed Colts (down to 1 stinkin' card- 1962 Dave Giusti #509 - hint). I would recommend Greg as a favored dealer. He knows us and gave me a discount on top of his very well priced cards. So there is my nomination for Greg. Shot the shit with him for about a half hour. Moved on through the show and saw a guy with all kinds of cards IN NUMBER ORDER! Hit some Dodgers and 67s there. Lenny was his name and when he saw my new hat, he asked what it stood for. I told him Old Baseball Cards and he promptly asked ""Do you know RICHARD DINGMAN?" I chuckled and said I did. He asked how you are doing. It seems he knows all about your miscuts and saves them for you when he gets them. I told him Richard is working on a complete set of miscuts for every number. He looked at me funny and I said, we all collect something offbeat. His wife suffers from Lyme disease and understands it all too well. I guess the best part of the day was finding a few deals (got 5 64 Giants including Mantle, Clemente, Bunning and Gibson for $35) and just yakking with the dealers. It's nice to just BS about cards with these guys. Spent a good amount of time with Lenny and another dealer where the conversation turned to flipping. Talked about other shows and dealers like Levi (obviously a legend in the business). One guy told me that they were possibly thinking of losing Atlantic City and trying to get back into Baltimore. God I hope that happens! Not a super cardboard day, but it was a super baseball card day! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:50:22 -0400 Subject: Got a chuckle! From: richard dingman Thanks Sal, I got a chuckle out of this! I was hoping to get to the LI show and see Greg but just too far for me right I had been emailing him lately, but will see him at the Shriner's in 1 week! I see Lenny all the time in White Plains and he is a great help for my miscuts, as well as being a super nice guy too. He seems to know and remember everyone! I always try to buy him a coffee and ask about his wife. Having had a version of Lyme recently I know what a bitch it can be, and I got off easy. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 18:30:47 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Richard Dingman, OBC ambassador or My Cardshow Adventure I think I'm spoiled. Going to a card show after being at so many Nationals just makes it so hard to have the same feeling. I went to the "Long Island National" (he said with a cough). Frank Howard was the freebee autograph, so being that kind of guy, I decided that my 62 Greenie would be awesome to get signed! I figured I would replace it down the road. Frank is still imposing, but needs the help of a cane to get around. Still one of the nicest guys, I relayed my interview with him 30 years ago and when I mentioned Bud Harrelson, he lit up saying he was a truly great baseball man. Even though he isn't listed, Buddy is my HOM guy. Always had a #3 Met shirt when I was a kid. Before I even left, I saw a package from Lynn Miller. I took it with me and opened it in the parking lot to check the 24 59s he sent(thanks on other server). At the show I saw a few local dealers I knew and bought a few odds and ends. In one of my odds and ends, I stumbled upon a GREEN Howard for 2 bucks, NO Nick, I still have my full run of greenies LOL. Met up with Mike McCann's buddy Greg Tatich. You might remember him from the National, we was on the corner next to Mike with all the cheap deals on supplies. He had his cards set up and mentioned if I knew RICHARD DINGMAN and that he sees him at shows from time to time. I said I knew him well. Picked up a few needed Colts (down to 1 stinkin' card- 1962 Dave Giusti #509 - hint). I would recommend Greg as a favored dealer. He knows us and gave me a discount on top of his very well priced cards. So there is my nomination for Greg. Shot the shit with him for about a half hour. Moved on through the show and saw a guy with all kinds of cards IN NUMBER ORDER! Hit some Dodgers and 67s there. Lenny was his name and when he saw my new hat, he asked what it stood for. I told him Old Baseball Cards and he promptly asked ""Do you know RICHARD DINGMAN?" I chuckled and said I did. He asked how you are doing. It seems he knows all about your miscuts and saves them for you when he gets them. I told him Richard is working on a complete set of miscuts for every number. He looked at me funny and I said, we all collect something offbeat. His wife suffers from Lyme disease and understands it all too well. I guess the best part of the day was finding a fewdeals (got 5 64 Giants including Mantle, Clemente, Bunning and Gibson for$35) and just yakking with the dealers. It's nice to just BS about cards with these guys. Spent a good amount of time with Lenny and another dealerwhere the conversation turned to flipping. Talked about other shows and dealers like Levi (obviously a legend in the business). One guy told me that they were possibly thinking of losing Atlantic City and trying to get back into Baltimore. God I hope that happens! Not a super cardboard day, butit was a super baseball card day! Sal Domino OBC - 1992=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Sat, 25 Oct 2014 20:24:56 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Washington Huskies Fan? From: Larry Tipton Picked up at local show today and available to any Washington Huskies Fan: 1976 Wonder Bread Disney Pennant Sticker #10 "WASH A TON" ================= To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:42:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1973 Donruss Baseball Super Freaks Series I (white From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I always have trouble telling the Donruss Awesome All Stars (I need 11 54 55 66) and the Donruss Super Freaks, which I think I only HAVE 4 16 32 34 36 40 Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 21, 2014 11:22 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1973 Donruss Baseball Super Freaks Series I (whitebacks) I am pulling this set off my want list does anyone collect these? First priority for someone who is trying to put the set together and I will check your Option #2 is ten cards out of 44 starter set. ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "ChicoD1@aol.com" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 11:13:07 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics [1 Attachment] From: Taylor Schock The dealer is Jack Zerby. He's a good guy who has a nice selection of cardswith decent prices. I have bought stuff from him a number of times and would give him a thumbs up. I'm trying to get additional contact information on him but I'm pretty surehe is somewhere in the south-eastern PA area. For some reason the Lancaster area sticks in my mind. To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:24:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mikesportsfan@aol.com included below] He does not look familiar to me. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 10:21 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics Anyone remember what this guy's name is? I was interested in becoming an OBC dealer. Bought a Snider off him. I think Mike or Steve have dealt with him... Nice guy who provided fair price and a discount (maybe because of the OBC - 1992 From: larrytipton@windstream.net To: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: 10/21/2014 9:08:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: dealer pics Sal who is this? ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 19:50:55 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: What a goof From: Anthony Hello all, I was in the attic and putting away my 52 bowman set and the numbers 1-29 was in a hard plastic case and slipped off my pile of other things. A hole on one........... It fell right down a small hole and was stuck between the first and second floor. Oh my god. I had to cut the wall in the closet to get them and then sheet rock it back. What a mess but recovered all the cards. Sent from my iPad ================= To: "'Anthony'" , Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:54:27 -0700 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What a goof From: "Grant Rainsley" Someday well into the future, that might have been a "Guru Floor Find." He has been known to frequent such places. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: October-26-14 4:51 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What a goof Hello all, I was in the attic and putting away my 52 bowman set and the numbers 1-29 was in a hard plastic case and slipped off my pile of other things. A hole on one........... It fell right down a small hole and was stuck between the first and second floor. Oh my god. I had to cut the wall in the closet to get them and then sheet rock it back. What a mess but recovered all the cards. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:15:19 -0400 To: grains@shaw.ca, anthony.senthi@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a goof From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en When I was a kid, my brothers and I would scale cards against a downstairs stairway. Years later, I found that the stairs had a small opening where the boards met. It led to some cinder blocks in the basement. Lo and behold, I pulled about 20 1960's cards from there about 10 years later. Lucky find! In a message dated 10/26/2014 7:54:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Someday well into the future, that might have been a =E2=9CGuru Floor Find.=E2=9D He has been known to frequent such places. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] Sent: October-26-14 4:51 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What a goof Hello all, I was in the attic and putting away my 52 bowman set and the numbers 1-29 was in a hard plastic case and slipped off my pile of other things. A hole on one........... It fell right down a small hole and was stuck between the first and second floor. Oh my god. I had to cut the wall in the closet to get them and then sheet rock it back. What a mess but recovered all the cards. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:19:00 -0400 To: Anthony Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a goof From: Joel Freedman I like how he told us about it before the repaired wall had time to dry. On Oct 26, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Anthony anthony.senthi@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Hello all, > I was in the attic and putting away my 52 bowman set and the numbers 1-29was in a hard plastic case and slipped off my pile of other things. A holeon one........... It fell right down a small hole and was stuck between the first and second floor. Oh my god. > I had to cut the wall in the closet to get them and then sheet rock it back. What a mess but recovered all the cards. > Anthony > Sent from my iPad ================= To: "=?utf-8?B?VGF5bG9yIFNjaG9jaw==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?bWlrZXNwb3J0c2ZhbkBhb2wuY29t?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?Q2hpY29EMUBhb2wuY29t?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?T0JDLVJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20=?=" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:26:54 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtPQkMtUmFtYmxpbmdzXSBGd2Q6IGRlYWxlciBwaWNz?From: "=?utf-8?B?d2hvbGxhX21AYmVsbHNvdXRoLm5ldA==?=" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:29:10 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: trying to kill off 1955 topps From: Rob Fitts Can anybody help me reduce this want list to just the big cards? I=92m looking for VG condition please. 1955 Topps want list 1 Dusty Rhodes, 2 Ted Williams, 12 Vernon (Jake) Thies, 22 Bill Skowron, 31Warren Spahn, 75 Sandy Amoros, 92 Don Zimmer, 108 Al Walker, 125 Ken Boyer, 143 John (Dick) Schofield, 152 Harry Agganis, 156 Joe Black, 158 Tommy Carroll, 164 Roberto Clemente, 165 Don Johnson (have poor), 166 Hank Bauer, 168 Duane Pillette, 169 Bob Oldis, 171 Dick Brodowski (have poor), 174 Rudy Minarcin, 175 Does not exist, 177 Al Robertson, 178 Bobby Adams, 180 Clem Labine, 183 Anthony Jacobs, 185 Don Ferrarese, 186 Does not exist, 187 Gil Hodges, 189 Phil Rizzuto, 192 Jim Delsing, 193 Johnny Sain, 197 Al Smith, 199 Odbert Hamric, 200 Jackie Jensen, 202 Jim Owens, 204 Frank Smith (have fair), 206 Pete Daley, 207 Billy Consolo, rob fitts 4418 waldo ave bronx ny 10471 ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:32:15 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Hockey near set/starter sets available From: Doug I have about 1200 1978-1979 Topps hockey and about 700 1979-1980 Topps cards available to anyone who would like them. VG-EX overall. If you are working on either of these two sets please send me your want lists! If you are not please consider starting them! Especially with the 78-79s I have multiples of most cards including a lot of the stars. Don't be shy. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 00:39:25 +0000 (UTC) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: dealer scum From: Rob Bessette I'm trying to sign up for these mailings. I swore I did it when it was set up, but for some reason it didn't work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys! ================= Date: 26 Oct 2014 17:40:19 -0700 To: Subject: Ridiculous eBay seller From: directorth@aol.com ================= To: "=?utf-8?B?Um9iIEJlc3NldHRl?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?b2JjLXJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20=?=" Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:56:39 -0400 Subject: =?utf-8?B?UmU6IFtPQkMtUmFtYmxpbmdzXSBkZWFsZXIgc2N1bQ==?From: "John" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 20:16:16 -0700 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: RIP Oscar Tavares From: mark zentkovich life is short, rest in peace..you will be missed in Cardinal Nation Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 23:53:22 -0400 To: jd3681@yahoo.com, robsbessette@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] dealer scum From: cardclctor@aol.com Content-Language: en Send an email to to subscribe to the new server. Then you'll just need moderator approval and you'll be good to go, Ken M In a message dated 10/26/2014 8:56:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: I thought I did as well. Any info would help Sent from my HTC One SV ----- Reply message ----- From: "Rob Bessette robsbessette@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] dealer scum Date: Sun, Oct 26, 2014 8:39 PM I'm trying to sign up for these mailings. I swore I did it when it was set up, but for some reason it didn't work. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks guys! ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:55:25 -0400 Subject: lil help? From: Shawn Smart can anyone help identify this card? From: shawnsmart@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:53:11 -0400 To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com Sent from my iPhone=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:03:06 -0400 To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] lil help? [4 Attachments] From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en I believe this came from that illusive "Diff'rent Strokes" set. As you can see, you have the most valuable card, W. Gary Coleman. BTW his full name is Wittle Gary Coleman. Sorry, I just had to. I really should start drinking at work, at least I'd have an excuse for emails like this one... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/27/2014 1:56:10 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0e1d2348/default.html#TopText) from Shawn Smart included below] can anyone help identify this card? From: shawnsmart@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:53:11 -0400 To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:23:35 -0400 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Jack Zerby From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en To whoever handles this... so far we have a nomination and 3 total recommendations (Myself, Taylor, Mark) for Jack. Anyone else want to get usup the 5 needed? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/26/2014 8:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wholla_m@bellsouth.net writes: I have been trying to reconfigure email accounts after swapping from DSL to Road Runner. Sorry if this is a repeat. But I echo Taylor's assessment of Jack Zerbe. He usually has a few OBC cards stashed away that he is glad to sell at a good price. I wholeheartedly endorse Jack as an OBC dealer. On another note, if I change the email in my OBC profile will the emails change or do I need to re-subscribe to the different servers? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "ChicoD1@aol.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics Date: Sun, Oct 26, 2014 11:13 am The dealer is Jack Zerby. He's a good guy who has a nice selection of cards with decent prices. I have bought stuff from him a number of times and would give him a thumbs up. I'm trying to get additional contact information on him but I'm pretty sure he is somewhere in the south-eastern PA area. For some reason the Lancaster area sticks in my mind. To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:24:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics [1 Attachment] [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://0e1d1388/default.html#TopText) from mikesportsfan@aol.com included below] He does not look familiar to me. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 10:21 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics Anyone remember what this guy's name is? I was interested in becoming an OBC dealer. Bought a Snider off him. I think Mike or Steve have dealt with him... Nice guy who provided fair price and a discount (maybe because of the OBC hat)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: _larrytipton@windstream.net_ (mailto:larrytipton@windstream.net) To: _ChicoD1@aol.com_ (mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com) Sent: 10/21/2014 9:08:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: dealer pics Sal who is this? ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:26:28 -0400 To: anthony.senthi@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a goof From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Well let's see, Yogi, Roberts, Minoso, Reese, Kiner, Fox. Those are enough to get out a blow torch and cut through pipes to recover them! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/26/2014 7:51:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hello all, I was in the attic and putting away my 52 bowman set and the numbers 1-29 was in a hard plastic case and slipped off my pile of other things. A hole on one........... It fell right down a small hole and was stuck between the first and second floor. Oh my god. I had to cut the wall in the closet to get them and then sheet rock it back. What a mess but recovered all the cards. Sent from my iPad ================= To: , Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:40:55 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Jack Zerby From: Mac Wubben I recommend jack as well. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:23:35 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Jack Zerby To whoever handles this... so far we have a nomination and 3 total recommendations (Myself, Taylor, Mark) for Jack. Anyone else want to get usup to the 5 needed? OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/26/2014 8:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wholla_m@bellsouth.net writes: I have been trying to reconfigure email accounts after swapping from DSL to Road Runner. Sorry if this is a repeat. But I echo Taylor's assessment of Jack Zerbe. He usually has a few OBC cards stashed away that he is glad to sell at a good price. I wholeheartedly endorse Jack as an OBC On another note, if I change the email in my OBC profile will the emails change or do I need to re-subscribe to the different Sent from my Verizon Wireless ----- Reply message ----- From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "ChicoD1@aol.com" , Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer Date: Sun, Oct 26, 2014 11:13 am The dealer is Jack Zerby. He's a good guy who has a nice selection of cards with decent prices. I have bought stuff from him a number of times and would give him a thumbs up. I'm trying to get additional contact information on him but I'm pretty sure he is somewhere in the south-eastern PA area. For some reason the Lancaster area sticks in my To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:24:59 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics [1 [Attachment(s) from mikesportsfan@aol.com included below] does not look familiar to me. Mike Rich From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 10:21 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics Anyone remember what this guy's name is? I was interested in becoming an OBC dealer. Bought a Snider off him. I think Mike or Steve have dealt with him... Nice guy who provided fair price and a discount (maybe because of the OBC hat)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: larrytipton@windstream.net Sent: 10/21/2014 9:08:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: dealer pics Sal who is this? ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 22:50:34 -0400 To: "ChicoD1@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] lil help? From: Shawn Smart ================= Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 23:13:00 -0400 To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Help with an auction card From: cardclctor@aol.com Hello pre-war aficionados! Can someone help me with a card I have for the Renee Hair auction? I have identified it as a 1916 Altoona Tribune card. It's similar to the M101-4 Sporting News cards, but with different advertising on the back. Does anyone remember donating one to the auction? As an Industry Expert, I'm familiar with a lot of post war sets, but this pre-war stuff has me at a loss. I need to know what is typical for this issue. This card is on the thicker side, has rounded corners, frayed edges, but no major creases. It's also a brownish color, even more so along the edges, which has me questioning it's authenticity (coffee stains to make it look artificially older?). I may bring it with me to the Wilmington show on Saturday, but that would require me to use a sick day... which I might do anyway. Screw work. I need a cardboard fix! Thanks for your help! Ken M - PS: Look for the first eBay lots to hit the airwaves late tomorrow night. I get out of work at 9, but will start posting them as soon as I get ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 07:43:28 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: re: Jack Zerby From: Larry Tipton I looked at the list of dealers from the National 2014 website, and they donot show Jack as a participant. Google search Jack Zerby baseball cards comes up empty. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 08:15:29 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1975 Donruss Truckin' From: Larry Tipton Several weeks ago someone was talking about Donruss Truckin' cards. I thinkthey had received cards from another member and were excited about starting this set? Anyway who was this? ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:00:25 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: 1971 Topps Football/GGS GEM MINT 10/AVAILABLE From: Larry Tipton At this summers National in Cleveland, Joel Freedman gave me a stack of 1971 Topps football cards, with the cartoon logo on the front removed. These cards were submitted to Gurus Grading Service, and scored Gem Mint 10! I've sent out 35 of them over the past couple months and have just six cards left, so if you want one let me know! ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 09:30:14 -0400 To: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1971 Topps Football/GGS GEM MINT 10/AVAILABLE From: Joel Freedman six sharp corners! [?] On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 9:00 AM, Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > At this summers National in Cleveland, Joel Freedman gave me a stack of > 1971 Topps football cards, with the cartoon logo on the front removed. > These cards were submitted to Gurus Grading Service, and scored Gem Mint > 10! I've sent out 35 of them over the past couple months and have just six > cards left, so if you want one let me know! > Guru ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:09:10 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller From: Mac Wubben I'm sort of on the seller's side on this one...you agreed to buy it now, not later. Generally, if you're doing a BIN, I think you should pay right away as opposed to an auction where you should get a couple days. The unpaidcase is annoying though...but lots of sellers get jerked around quite a bit...as there really aren't many protections for them. No harm, no foul. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:40:19 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller Had to share this one. On Friday I bought a '61 Ernie Banks BIN for $5.50. Seller didn't send an invoice. Today - about 52 hours after I made the purchase, I get an "unpaid item case has been opened" e-mail about this card. Mind you, NOWHERE in thelisting is payment demanded within 48 hours. No direct message from the seller - just opened a complaint. F U, seller. I'm pissed. Pissed enough that I sent a very pointed message the seller, telling him/her that is bullshit. That I've now paid for the card, and it hadbetter get here pretty damned quickly, because complaints can go both ways. I'm sorely tempted to leave negative feedback if & when the card arrives. FYI, the seller is vintage_graciegirl. Avoid at all costs. Tom H. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:18:28 -0400 To: Mac Wubben Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller From: Jimi I understand the frustration, but in the seller's defense, too, I don't believe the seller is obligated to send an invoice unless you purchased more than one item for him and he's lower the overall shipping costs. Even in that case, I usually send a request as the buyer. Also, there is an automatic feature for the seller that is set up to send an "unpaid item case" afterso many days, so it's likely the seller didn't send that out just to get at you. EBay's default settings did it. Just my two cents. I know where you're coming from though. Sent from my iPad > On Oct 28, 2014, at 1:09 PM, "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I'm sort of on the seller's side on this one...you agreed to buy it now, not later. Generally, if you're doing a BIN, I think you should pay right away as opposed to an auction where you should get a couple days. The unpaid case is annoying though...but lots of sellers get jerked around quite a bit...as there really aren't many protections for them. No harm, no foul. > Mac > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:40:19 -0700 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller > Had to share this one. > On Friday I bought a '61 Ernie Banks BIN for $5.50. Seller didn't send aninvoice. Today - about 52 hours after I made the purchase, I get an "unpaid item case has been opened" e-mail about this card. Mind you, NOWHERE in the listing is payment demanded within 48 hours. No direct message from the seller - just opened a complaint. F U, seller. > I'm pissed. Pissed enough that I sent a very pointed message the seller, telling him/her that is bullshit. That I've now paid for the card, and it had better get here pretty damned quickly, because complaints can go both ways. I'm sorely tempted to leave negative feedback if & when the card arrives. > FYI, the seller is vintage_graciegirl. Avoid at all costs. > Tom H. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:22:33 -0400 To: Jimi Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller From: Bob Donaldson The seller may "technically" be right but he really should have sent an invoice and waited more than 52 hours to file a non-paying report. I think he was too lazy and just filed the report which had the desired effect of getting Tom to pay, but also has likely lost a customer for good On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jimi jimivintage@yahoo.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > I understand the frustration, but in the seller's defense, too, I don't > believe the seller is obligated to send an invoice unless you purchased > more than one item for him and he's lower the overall shipping costs. Even > in that case, I usually send a request as the buyer. Also, there is an > automatic feature for the seller that is set up to send an "unpaid item > case" after so many days, so it's likely the seller didn't send that out > just to get at you. EBay's default settings did it. > Just my two cents. I know where you're coming from though. > Jimi > Sent from my iPad > On Oct 28, 2014, at 1:09 PM, "Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I'm sort of on the seller's side on this one...you agreed to buy it now, > not later. Generally, if you're doing a BIN, I think you should pay right > away as opposed to an auction where you should get a couple days. The > unpaid case is annoying though...but lots of sellers get jerked around > quite a bit...as there really aren't many protections for them. No harm, > no foul. > Mac > ------------------------------ > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:40:19 -0700 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller > Had to share this one. > On Friday I bought a '61 Ernie Banks BIN for $5.50. Seller didn't send an > invoice. Today - about 52 hours after I made the purchase, I get an "unpaid > item case has been opened" e-mail about this card. Mind you, NOWHERE in the > listing is payment demanded within 48 hours. No direct message from the > seller - just opened a complaint. F U, seller. > I'm pissed. Pissed enough that I sent a very pointed message the seller, > telling him/her that is bullshit. That I've now paid for the card, and it > had better get here pretty damned quickly, because complaints can go both > ways. I'm sorely tempted to leave negative feedback if & when the card > arrives. > FYI, the seller is vintage_graciegirl. Avoid at all costs. > Tom H. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 13:56:45 -0400 To: obcbobd@gmail.com, jimivintage@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Content-Language: en I had it happen to me. What happened is paypal wouldn't take payment so I talked to the seller and he agreed i could pay by money order I got themoney order on a Saturday and mailed that Monday A non payment case wassent to me on Monday also. So it makes me wonder did the seller send or ebay . i never did get an answer from anyone except it ebays faul from paypal representatives and visa versa which is funny since they are the same company. In a message dated 10/28/2014 12:22:39 P.M. Central Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: The seller may "technically" be right but he really should have sent an invoice and waited more than 52 hours to file a non-paying report. I thinkhe was too lazy and just filed the report which had the desired effect of getting Tom to pay, but also has likely lost a customer for good On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Jimi _jimivintage@yahoo.com_ (mailto:jimivintage@yahoo.com) [OBC-Ramblings] <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I understand the frustration, but in the seller's defense, too, I don't believe the seller is obligated to send an invoice unless you purchased more than one item for him and he's lower the overall shipping costs. Even in that case, I usually send a request as the buyer. Also, there is an automatic feature for the seller that is set up to send an "unpaid item case" after so many days, so it's likely the seller didn't send that out just toget at you. EBay's default settings did it. Just my two cents. I know where you're coming from though. Sent from my iPad On Oct 28, 2014, at 1:09 PM, "Mac Wubben _obcmac@hotmail.com_ (mailto:obcmac@hotmail.com) [OBC-Ramblings]" <_OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com) > wrote: I'm sort of on the seller's side on this one...you agreed to buy it now, not later. Generally, if you're doing a BIN, I think you should pay right away as opposed to an auction where you should get a couple days. The unpaid case is annoying though...but lots of sellers get jerked around quite bit...as there really aren't many protections for them. No harm, no foul. To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) From: _OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com_ Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:40:19 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ridiculous eBay seller Had to share this one. On Friday I bought a '61 Ernie Banks BIN for $5.50. Seller didn't send an invoice. Today - about 52 hours after I made the purchase, I get an "unpaid item case has been opened" e-mail about this card. Mind you, NOWHERE in the listing is payment demanded within 48 hours. No direct message from the seller - just opened a complaint. F U, seller. I'm pissed. Pissed enough that I sent a very pointed message the seller, telling him/her that is bullshit. That I've now paid for the card, and it had better get here pretty damned quickly, because complaints can go both ways. I'm sorely tempted to leave negative feedback if & when the card FYI, the seller is vintage_graciegirl. Avoid at all costs. Tom H. ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 14:56:16 -0700 To: Larry Tipton , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Jack Zerby From: mark holland Jack Zerby usually travels with another dealer named Steve Brandenburg (CSACARDS3). Steve always has great cards at unbelievable prices. Maybe checkand see if Steve reserved the table. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:43 AM, "Larry Tipton larrytipton@windstream.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I looked at the list of dealers from the National 2014 website, and they donot show Jack as a participant. Google search Jack Zerby baseball cards comes up empty. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 22:12:38 -0400 Subject: RE: lil help? - mystery solved From: Shawn Smart Thanks to George Vrechek for pointing me in the right direction - I discovered that this card is from the 1957 Board Game - "Big League Manager". To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:55:25 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] lil help? [4 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Shawn Smart included below] can anyone help identify this card? From: shawnsmart@hotmail.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 13:53:11 -0400 To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com Sent from my iPhone=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:30:33 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: Jack Zerby From: ChicoD1@aol.com This from Steve... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: srittenberg@gmail.com To: ChicoD1@aol.com Sent: 10/28/2014 5:30:23 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: Jack Zerby I recommend Jack. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 23:42:07 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Jack Zerby From: ChicoD1@aol.com Content-Language: en Looks like we have the 5 we need for Jack... Myself, Taylor, Mark, Steve and Mac... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Reply-to: obcmac@hotmail.com To: chicod1@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/27/2014 8:41:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Jack Zerby I recommend jack as well. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 20:23:35 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Jack Zerby To whoever handles this... so far we have a nomination and 3 total recommendations (Myself, Taylor, Mark) for Jack. Anyone else want to get usup the 5 needed? Sal Domino OBC - 1992 In a message dated 10/26/2014 8:26:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wholla_m@bellsouth.net writes: I have been trying to reconfigure email accounts after swapping from DSL to Road Runner. Sorry if this is a repeat. But I echo Taylor's assessment of Jack Zerbe. He usually has a few OBC cards stashed away that he is glad to sell at a good price. I wholeheartedly endorse Jack as an OBC dealer. On another note, if I change the email in my OBC profile will the emails change or do I need to re-subscribe to the different servers? Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone ----- Reply message ----- From: "Taylor Schock taylor_schock@hotmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "ChicoD1@aol.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics Date: Sun, Oct 26, 2014 11:13 am The dealer is Jack Zerby. He's a good guy who has a nice selection of cards with decent prices. I have bought stuff from him a number of times and would give him a thumbs up. I'm trying to get additional contact information on him but I'm pretty sure he is somewhere in the south-eastern PA area. For some reason the Lancaster area sticks in my mind. To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 07:24:59 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from mikesportsfan@aol.com included below] He does not look familiar to me. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com [OBC-Ramblings] To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 22, 2014 10:21 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: dealer pics Anyone remember what this guy's name is? I was interested in becoming an OBC dealer. Bought a Snider off him. I think Mike or Steve have dealt with him... Nice guy who provided fair price and a discount (maybe because of the OBC hat)... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: _larrytipton@windstream.net_ (mailto:larrytipton@windstream.net) To: _ChicoD1@aol.com_ (mailto:ChicoD1@aol.com) Sent: 10/21/2014 9:08:27 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: dealer pics Sal who is this? ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 10:32:50 -0400 To: "" Subject: Vintage card shops in Birmingham, AL? From: Jimi Hey guys, I'll be heading to Birmingham, AL soon and wondered if there were any shopsnearby? I'm not sure how much time I'll have, but thought I'd see if the wife will allow me to stop in at one for a few minutes. Thanks! Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 13:06:01 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings , Subject: Anyone need 75 or 76? From: Jake Elwell Just got a bunch of 75s and 76s for cheap. Also a few 74, 77 and 78. Pulledwhat I needed and the rest are up for grabs so send your list and include your address. Condition is generally "G+" ================= Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:33:25 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Announcements] eBay auctions are live! From: ChicoD1@aol.com Wanted this to go to everyone... Sal Domino OBC - 1992 From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: cardclctor@aol.com, obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Sent: 10/29/2014 10:32:22 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time Subj: Re: [OBC-Announcements] eBay auctions are live! I think we need to take some time out to thank Ken for his great work on these auctions. Despite his own crazy schedule, he has managed to put these together for all of us. I know this has been a painstaking task. And I have to add, you did a TREMENDOUS job on the Ebay auction posts. Well Done! Sal Domino OBC - 1992 ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 09:26:12 -0500 To: "" Subject: Auctions From: TJ Valacak Hey gang I'm at the docs today for my weekly visit. Trying to figure out how to findthe Renee Hair auctions using my eBay app. No luck so far. I can't figure out how to do a seller search on the app. Can someone please send me a linkto one of the auctions. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:35:28 -0400 To: tvalacak@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auctions From: bskp1@aol.com Content-Language: en Here you go, TJ. BR, Chuck _http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw&_udlo&_udhi&_sabdlo&_sabdhi&_samilow&_s ksidm194&ssPageNameSTRK:MEFSRCHX:SRCH_ (http://www.ebay.com/ In a message dated 10/30/2014 10:26:32 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com writes: Hey gang I'm at the docs today for my weekly visit. Trying to figure out how to find the Renee Hair auctions using my eBay app. No luck so far. I can't figure out how to do a seller search on the app. Can someone please send me a link to one of the auctions. Sent from my iPhone ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 16:29:15 GMT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Auctions From: "cardclctor@aol.com" ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:59:12 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: testing From: Rob Fitts please email me if you get this before 620 pm on thursday ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:15:38 -0400 To: Dan Angland , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] testing From: Rob Fitts excellent! I can put some cards up tonight then On Oct 30, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Dan Angland wrote: > got it > On Thursday, October 30, 2014 6:00 PM, "Rob Fitts robfitts@optimum.net [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > please email me if you get this before 620 pm on thursday > thanks > rob ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:53:57 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: waiver wire From: Rob Fitts A handful of miscellaneous bb cards for the asking. Please include your mailing 1951 Bowman 12, 132 1955 Topps 62, 84 trimmed 114 1956 topps 226 Good 1959 duren 485 1960 fleer greats 5 averill 123 mack 1961 428 barker 122 cubs 373 red sox 510 ditmar 1963 245 hodges writing on front 228 rookies with writing 397 A=92s 1964 237 cubs 318 twins 403 reds 1965 426 braves 1971 620 frank howrd, 648 mets rookies, 728 rookie OFers rob fitts ================= Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 21:26:57 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Subject: all cards claimed From: Rob Fitts all cards claimed ================= Date: 30 Oct 2014 19:28:41 -0700 To: Subject: Fun with numbers From: directorth@aol.com ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 12:58:51 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Strongsville From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:34:44 -0400 To: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" , Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Strongsville From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:02:06 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings Subject: Card Show - Wilmington, Shriners From: Joel Freedman I unknowingly met up with Richard Dingman today at the Wilmington, Massachusetts Shriners Semi Annual BB card show. It was nice to see a fellow OBCer. There are plenty of vintage tables and bargain boxes. My big score was 50 1957 Topps Football in ex condition for a buck a piece. Other take homes were Topps 1957, 1960, 1962, Post, Football Philadephia and Topps rub offs. I enjoyed my three hours of I will say, nothing beats the national.............. ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:08:40 -0400 To: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show - Wilmington, Shriners From: Bob Donaldson Going tomorrow hope you guys saved some bargains for me! Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2014, at 5:02 PM, "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I unknowingly met up with Richard Dingman today at the Wilmington, > Massachusetts Shriners Semi Annual BB card show. It was nice to see a > fellow OBCer. There are plenty of vintage tables and bargain boxes. > My big score was 50 1957 Topps Football in ex condition for a buck a > piece. Other take homes were Topps 1957, 1960, 1962, Post, Football > Philadephia and Topps rub offs. I enjoyed my three hours of > searching. > I will say, nothing beats the national.............. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:40:46 -0500 Subject: Mail while away From: "George Vrechek" FYI A few weeks from now we will be in California again for the winter rather than Chicago. Mail will be forwarded to us, but it may take a little longer to hear back from me. Our address stays the same. I'm taking my dups along and plan to stay involved in the random cardboard mailings. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:52:26 -0400 To: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show - Wilmington, Shriners From: Matthew Glidden Hope to see Bob D and any other local OBCers at the show tomorrow! Will shoot for the 10-3pm window. On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: > Going tomorrow hope you guys saved some bargains for me! > Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2014, at 5:02 PM, "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com > [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: > I unknowingly met up with Richard Dingman today at the Wilmington, > Massachusetts Shriners Semi Annual BB card show. It was nice to see a > fellow OBCer. There are plenty of vintage tables and bargain boxes. > My big score was 50 1957 Topps Football in ex condition for a buck a > piece. Other take homes were Topps 1957, 1960, 1962, Post, Football > Philadephia and Topps rub offs. I enjoyed my three hours of > searching. > I will say, nothing beats the national.............. ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:41:07 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show - Wilmington, Shriners From: richard dingman Got a last minute surprise free day from work so made it to the Shriner's show and met Joel Freedman under an OBC hat at the door. We split up soon after, but later he handed me a mc he had picked up, thanks Joel! It was comfortably not crowded, and though my special dealer wasn't to be found, there were a half dozen of the usual suspects there and some vintage to pick over. I managed to find a couple '33 Goudeys in readable conditionfor a couple bucks each, 2 G-men, 3 Horrors of War, and my biggest splurgewas on about 2 dozen Indian Gum cards, including a few of the tougher highseries. So, all-in-all, it was a good day for non-sport. There were a few bargain bins, but the only vintage variation I stumbled upon was a 1956 that George V had "discovered" a year or two ago - a croppingvariation that is likely fairly common, but subtle. I had brought along a few 100 card stacks of common non-vintage cards that were not worth mailing out and had been crowding up my office for way too long. I intended to hand them out to kids at the show. I managed to give away all but one stack (there were not many under-ten-year-olds to be found on this Halloween day), and the funniest moment came near the end when I found a father with 3 young boys and was thinking I could get rid of all the rest of these annoying dupes, but when I asked the father if I could give cards to his kids, he asked, "How old are the cards?" "1980s" I said, thinking these would be plenty old enough for his 10-year-olds to play with, but he replied, "No, they only want vintage cards." "Wow", I said, "Good for them!" I dropped the last bundle in the trash on the way out. To: obcbobd@gmail.com CC: jefreedman1@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: OBC-Ramblings-noreply@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 20:52:26 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card Show - Wilmington, Shriners Hope to see Bob D and any other local OBCers at the show tomorrow! Will shoot for the 10-3pm window. On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 5:08 PM, Bob Donaldson obcbobd@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings] wrote: Going tomorrow hope you guys saved some bargains for me! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2014, at 5:02 PM, "Joel Freedman jefreedman1@gmail.com [OBC-Ramblings]" wrote: I unknowingly met up with Richard Dingman today at the Wilmington, Massachusetts Shriners Semi Annual BB card show. It was nice to see a fellow OBCer. There are plenty of vintage tables and bargain boxes. My big score was 50 1957 Topps Football in ex condition for a buck a piece. Other take homes were Topps 1957, 1960, 1962, Post, Football Philadephia and Topps rub offs. I enjoyed my three hours of I will say, nothing beats the national.............. ================= Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 02:42:24 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Waiver wires.. From: ChicoD1@aol.com Hey guys, I posted the 1961 Topps wants to my web page. It's now at the "do-able" I also have accumulated a bunch of 1964 Topps Giants (no SPs) and a bunch of 75s. Point me to your lists or just email me that part of your want list and I'll see what I can do. Sal Domino OBC - 1992