================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 00:14:23 -0800 To: Ramblings OBC From: Stamper Subject: Happy New Year Happy New Year!!! Hope everyone has a great 2014!!! John Stamper ================= Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 13:42:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: 80/81 topps I presume that you are talking about 1980-81 basketball? There are actually 176 different panel combinations. The checklist link on the OBC website lists the combinations by player name, but not with the card numbers included. It might help. Happy New Year --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, John Dahms wrote: > I think I asked this question before, but I lost the answer if I did, I have a decent size lot of these and thought I might list them. but looking at the backs and numbers I am totally confused. all but 6 of the ones I have are full card panels of three. what is the best way to do these? and how the heck do you list them? > thanks again for any and all help > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= To: Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:08:29 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: 2013 goals review and 2014 goals I also enjoy reading the goals set and achieved by OBCers. I've found this goal-setting and reporting to be effective in focusing on my own set collecting. It appears we have some natural born accountants in the group. For the first time ever, I achieved my goal as to the number of cards collected in a year. Monday I was at about 98% of my 2013 goal of picking up 180 cards I needed (not counting hockey) or 15 cards per month. I visited South Bay Cards in Lomita, California, and picked up six 1952 beat-up small Bowman football cards to put me over the top. At least so I thought. In an unusual twist, upon recalculation instead of finding "gremlins" I found that I was over my goal already so I was an over-achiever. My 2014 goal is to pick up 155 cards (plus 250 hockey cards). The biggest number of cards I want to add to a set are T218s. I'm working on a master set of 635 T218 back variations that will keep me busy for a decade or two. The next group of needs are football cards: 1952B, 1953B, 1962F, 1963F, and 1965T. Those sets have been on my wantlist for 34 years but I needed so many I guess I just waited for some to float in through an open window - which hasn't happened. My first priority has always been baseball, but my needs are tough variations, exhibits, and Post Cereal cards. I need to kill off those goofy Hostess sets I started a few years ago and get enthused about Johnston Cookie and Royal Dessert cards. I had thought about going back before 1933 (I completed the 1933 Goudeys in 1956) but the T218s have filled the void and I find them to be available and inexpensive. Thanks to OBCers I've made progress again on hockey cards which are more of a side project since I need so many. OBC was quite helpful to my collecting this year. I counted 33 envelopes for the year from OBCers hitting a pretty hard list as well as more than a dozen envelopes at the National. The National swap session was a big help as well especially being able to dip into Mike Rich's duplicate hockey box for several hundred hits as I recall. The various National OBC gatherings even without cards are really special. I'm sure I'll find some new variations to add to my master sets. Tom Billing is a very quiet, relatively new OBCer with a very short list - all difficult variations. However he has been the king as far as I'm concerned in identifying and getting the rest of us enthused about new-found variations and printing differences. Check out his diabolical list and see if you can help him. The stuff isn't expensive - just very rare, or perhaps non-existant. We can send him anything unusual to let him know we realize he is out there. I'll keep my eyes open for any sets to add to my list, although I will be careful to avoid whatever afflicts Mike Rich J. I want to write 12 articles again this year for SCD - without a grammatical error. I want to see TJ Valacak's smiling face at every Sun-Times show. My final resolution is to never bet on the Chicago Bears. Thanks guys for the great times. George Vrechek ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 12:28:06 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: 2014 COLLECTING GOALS Three years of goals Following up from last year... 2012 (Leftover goals) Get going on the type set. Finish 68 OPC (34 to go) 8 to go (2013) Now down to 3. Finish 66 OPC (4 to go) Done! Finish 68 OPC (8 to go) 3 to go 15 hits to 71 OPC (105 to go) only 19 to go Find 1 card from top 6 list...found two (67 Venezuelan Lajoie, e94 Lajoie) 4 hits to the T207 list (20 to go) Only 11 to go 7 hits to the T3 list (13 to go) 1 card plus 3 variations to go 24 hits to the P2 list (57 to go) 12 to go 17 hits to the Cracker Jack list (37 to go) 22 to go 38G Feller or Dimaggio Got them both Finish either the E93 or E95 set Finished the E95, E93 'just' needs a wagner 6 hits to the T210 list (28 to go) 23 to go Finish 70 and 71 Football sets (and add a new set) Done...looking for 67 or 68 starter 10 Hits to the B18 blankets (need 25) Need 16 10 Hits to the 49 Bowman set (39 to go) 3 Hits to the 51 Bowman list (don't think I'll get Mickey or Mays) (5 to go) 4 Hits to the 52T High Number list (34 to go) Finish the pesky 68 OPC set (3 to go) 7 Hits to the 71 OPC set (19 to go) Finish the 74 OPC set (4 to go) One hit to the top 6 list: 1 Red Cross Tobacco Lajoie 2 1916 Zeenut Billy Southworth 3 1927 Middy Bread Die-Cut Billy Southworth 4 E105 Mello Mint Lajoie 5 E103 Williams Caramel Lajoie 6 t213-3 Lajoie 7 Hits to the E92 Mixed but mostly Dockmans (9 to go) Finish the E93 Set (Wagner) Finish the base T3 (need Tenney) and pick off one of the 3 variations 6 Hits to the 1914-1915 Cracker Jack set (need 22) 4 Hits to the T207 list (need 11) Finish the P2 Pins (need 12) 5 Hits to the T210 series 3 set (need 23) 8 Hits to the B18 Blankets (need 16) Finish the 1933 Goudeys...just one more Ruth man Finish the 1941 Play Balls! (just need Gomez) Actually pursue the type set Hit at many OBC wantlists as I can! Happy 2014 to Everyone! ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 11:37:58 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: MarkZ Subject: Re: 80/81 topps Split them apart! I did as a kid, big mistake but looks good in binder Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= To: mzentko@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 14:12:48 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Heathens! Breaking apart cards, is almost as bad as breaking apart sets. Mike Mroz is correct in that there are 176 difference panel combinations. That would make 2 complete sets. 88 panels, if they are the correct ones, make a set. I do not have a scanner operational at the house, but I will try and get you the list of the 176 panels and which ones make up a set later this week. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: MarkZ To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 12:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Split them apart! I did as a kid, big mistake but looks good in binder Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , "mzentko@yahoo.com" Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 15:34:48 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Here's the list. (Went to www.beckett.com , searched for "1980/81 Topps basketball", cut paste to a decent editor, and came up with the following in about 5 minutes). Not sure if this the "official" numbering of this set, buta quick spot check with a 2003 SCD Basketball catalog seems to jive as thesame. Hope this helps.... #1 3 Dan Roundfield AS / 181 Julius Erving / 258 Ron Brewer SD #2 7 Moses Malone AS / 185 Steve Mix / 92 Robert Parish TL #3 12 Gus Williams AS / 67 Geoff Huston / 5 John Drew AS #4 24 Steve Hawes / 32 Nate Archibald TL / 248 Elvin Hayes #5 29 Dan Roundfield / 73 Dan Issel TL / 152 Brian Winters #6 34 Larry Bird RC / 174 Julius Erving TL / 139 Magic Johnson RC #7 36 Dave Cowens / 186 Paul Westphal TL / 142 Jamaal Wilkes #8 38 Pete Maravich / 264 Lloyd Free SD / 194 Dennis Johnson #9 40 Rick Robey / 234 Adrian Dantley TL / 26 Eddie Johnson #10 47 Scott May / 196 Kermit Washington TL / 177 Henry Bibby #11 55 Don Ford / 145 Quinn Buckner TL / 138 Brad Holland #12 58 Campy Russell / 247 Kevin Grevey / 52 Dave Robisch TL #13 60 Foots Walker / 113 Mick.Johnson TL / 130 Bill Robinzine #14 61 Austin Carr / 8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar AS / 200 Calvin Natt #15 63 Jim Cleamons / 256 Robert Reid SD / 22 Charlie Criss #16 69 Tom LaGarde / 215 Swen Nater TL / 213 James Silas #17 71 Jerome Whitehead / 259 Artis Gilmore SD / 184 Caldwell Jones #18 74 John Roche TL / 99 Clifford Ray / 235 Ben Poquette TL #19 75 Alex English / 2 Marques Johnson AS / 68 Jeff Judkins #20 82 Terry Tyler TL / 21 Armond Hill TL / 171 M.R. Richardson #21 84 Kent Benson / 212 John Shumate / 229 Paul Westphal #22 86 Phil Hubbard / 93 Robert Parish TL / 126 Tom Burleson #23 88 John Long / 1 Julius Erving AS / 49 Ricky Sobers #24 90 Eric Money / 57 Dave Robisch / 254 Rick Robey SD #25 95 Wayne Cooper RC / 226 John Johnson TL / 45 David Greenwood #26 97 Robert Parish / 187 Leon.Robinson TL / 46 Dwight Jones #27 98 Sonny Parker / 197 Dave Twardzik TL / 39 Cedric Maxwell #28 105 Rick Barry / 122 Otis Birdsong TL / 48 John Mengelt #29 106 Allen Leavell / 53 Foots Walker TL / 223 Freeman Williams #30 108 Calvin Murphy / 176 Maurice Cheeks TL / 87 Greg Kelser #31 110 Robert Reid / 243 Wes Unseld TL / 50 Reggie Theus #32 111 Rudy Tomjanovich / 13 Eddie Johnson AS / 179 Doug Collins #33 112 Mickey Johnson TL / 28 Wayne Rollins / 15 M.R.Richardson AS #34 115 Mike Bantom / 6 Adrian Dantley AS / 227 James Bailey #35 116 Dudley Bradley / 155 Eddie Jordan TL / 239 Allan Bristow #36 118 James Edwards / 153 Mike Newlin TL / 182 Lionel Hollins #37 119 Mickey Johnson / 154 Geo.Johnson TL / 193 Leonard Robinson #38 120 Billy Knight / 16 Paul Westphal AS / 59 Randy Smith #39 121 George McGinnis / 83 Eric Money TL / 65 Mike Bratz #40 124 Phil Ford TL / 101 Phil Smith / 224 Gus Williams TL #41 127 Phil Ford / 19 John Drew TL / 209 Larry Kenon #42 131 Scott Wedman / 164 Bill Cartwright TL / 23 John Drew #43 132 K.Abdul-Jabbar TL / 56 Mike Mitchell / 81 Terry Tyler TL #44 135 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / 79 David Thompson / 216 Brian Taylor #45 137 Michael Cooper / 103 Moses Malone TL / 148 George Johnson #46 140 Mark Landsberger / 10 Bob Lanier AS / 222 Bill Walton #47 141 Norm Nixon / 123 Sam Lacey TL / 54 Kenny Carr #48 143 Marques Johnson TL / 30 Larry Bird TL / 232 Jack Sikma #49 146 Junior Bridgeman / 31 Larry Bird TL / 198 Ron Brewer #50 147 Quinn Buckner / 133 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar TL / 207 Mike Gale #51 149 Marques Johnson / 262 Julius Erving SD / 62 Abdul Jeelani #52 151 Sidney Moncrief / 260 Lonnie Shelton SD / 220 Paul Silas #53 156 George Johnson / 9 Bill Cartwright AS / 199 Bob Gross #54 158 Maurice Lucas / 261 James Edwards SD / 157 Eddie Jordan #55 159 Mike Newlin / 134 Norm Nixon TL / 180 Darryl Dawkins #56 160 Roger Phegley / 206 James Silas TL / 91 Terry Tyler #57 161 Cliff Robinson / 51 Mike Mitchell TL / 80 Bobby Wilkerson #58 162 Jan Van Breda Kolff / 204 George Gervin TL / 117 Johnny Davis #59 165 M.R.Richardson TL / 214 Lloyd Free TL / 44 Artis Gilmore #60 166 Bill Cartwright / 244 Kevin Porter TL / 25 Armond Hill #61 168 Toby Knight / 14 Lloyd Free AS / 240 Adrian Dantley #62 169 Joe Meriweather / 218 Lloyd Free / 42 D.Greenwood TL #63 170 Earl Monroe / 27 James McElroy / 85 Leon Douglas #64 172 Marvin Webster / 175 Caldwell Jones TL / 129 Sam Lacey #65 173 Ray Williams / 94 John Lucas TL / 202 Dave Twardzik #66 178 Maurice Cheeks / 18 Magic Johnson AS / 237 Ron Boone #67 183 Bobby Jones / 37 Chris Ford / 66 Joe Hassett #68 189 Alvan Adams / 163 Bill Cartwright TL / 76 Dan Issel #69 190 Don Buse / 242 Elvin Hayes TL / 35 M.L. Carr #70 191 Walter Davis / 11 George Gervin AS / 136 Jim Chones #71 192 Rich Kelley / 102 Moses Malone TL / 64 Winford Boynes #72 201 Tom Owens / 225 Jack Sikma TL / 100 Purvis Short #73 208 George Gervin / 72 Dan Issel TL / 249 Mitch Kupchak #74 217 Joe Bryant / 263 Bobby Jones SD / 107 Moses Malone #75 219 Swen Nater / 17 Calvin Murphy AS / 70 Richard Washington #76 221 Brian Taylor / 253 John Shumate SD / 167 Larry Demic #77 228 Fred Brown / 205 Larry Kenon TL / 203 Kermit Washington #78 230 John Johnson / 4 Walter Davis AS / 33 Nate Archibald #79 231 Lonnie Shelton / 104 Allen Leavell TL / 96 John Lucas #80 233 Gus Williams / 20 Dan Roundfield TL / 211 Kevin Restani #81 236 Allan Bristow TL / 210 Mark Olberding / 255 James Bailey SD #82 238 Tom Boswell / 109 Billy Paultz / 150 Bob Lanier #83 241 Ben Poquette / 188 Paul Westphal TL / 77 Charlie Scott #84 245 Greg Ballard / 43 Reggie Theus TL / 252 John Williamson #85 246 Bob Dandridge / 41 Reggie Theus TL / 128 Reggie King #86 250 Kevin Porter / 114 Johnny Davis TL / 125 Otis Birdsong #87 251 Wes Unseld / 195 Tom Owens TL / 78 John Roche #88 257 Elvin Hayes SD / 144 Marques Johnson TL / 89 Bob McAdoo #89 3 Dan Roundfield / 218 Lloyd Free / 42 D.Greenwood TL #90 7 Moses Malone / 247 Kevin Grevey / 52 Dave Robisch TL #91 12 Gus Williams / 210 Mark Olberding / 255 James Bailey SD #92 24 Steve Hawes / 226 John Johnson TL / 45 David Greenwood #93 29 Dan Roundfield / 113 Mick.Johnson TL / 130 Bill Robinzine #94 34 Larry Bird / 164 Bill Cartwright TL / 23 John Drew #95 36 Dave Cowens / 16 Paul Westphal AS / 59 Randy Smith #96 38 Pete Maravich / 187 Leonard Robinson TL / 46 Dwight Jones #97 40 Rick Robey / 37 Chris Ford / 66 Joe Hassett #98 47 Scott May / 30 Larry Bird TL / 232 Jack Sikma #99 55 Don Ford / 144 Marques Johnson TL / 89 Bob McAdoo #100 58 Campy Russell / 21 Armond Hill TL / 171 Micheal Ray Richardson #101 60 Foots Walker / 122 Otis Birdsong TL / 48 John Mengelt #102 61 Austin Carr / 56 Mike Mitchell / 81 Terry Tyler TL #103 63 Jim Cleamons / 261 James Edwards SD / 157 Eddie Jordan #104 69 Tom LaGarde / 109 Billy Paultz / 150 Bob Lanier #105 71 Jerome Whitehead / 17 Calvin Murphy AS / 70 Richard Washington #106 74 John Roche TL / 28 Wayne Rollins / 15 M.R.Richardson AS #107 75 Alex English / 102 Moses Malone TL / 64 Winford Boynes #108 82 Terry Tyler TL / 79 David Thompson / 216 Brian Taylor TL #109 84 Kent Benson / 259 Artis Gilmore SD / 184 Caldwell Jones #110 86 Phil Hubbard / 195 Tom Owens TL / 78 John Roche #111 88 John Long / 18 Magic Johnson AS / 237 Ron Boone #112 90 Eric Money / 215 Swen Nater TL / 213 James Silas #113 95 Wayne Cooper RC / 154 George Johnson TL / 193 Leon.Robinson #114 97 Robert Parish / 103 Moses Malone TL / 148 George Johnson #115 98 Sonny Parker / 94 John Lucas TL / 202 Dave Twardzik #116 105 Rick Barry / 123 Sam Lacey TL / 54 Kenny Carr #117 106 Allen Leavell / 197 Dave Twardzik TL / 39 Cedric Maxwell #118 108 Calvin Murphy / 51 Mike Mitchell TL / 80 Bobby Wilkerson #119 110 Robert Reid / 153 Mike Newlin TL / 182 Lionel Hollins #120 111 Rudy Tomjanovich / 73 Dan Issel TL / 152 Brian Winters #121 112 Mick.Johnson TL / 264 Lloyd Free SD / 194 Dennis Johnson #122 115 Mike Bantom / 204 George Gervin TL / 117 Johnny Davis #123 116 Dudley Bradley / 186 Paul Westphal TL / 142 Jamaal Wilkes #124 118 James Edwards / 32 Nate Archibald TL / 248 Elvin Hayes #125 119 Mickey Johnson / 72 Dan Issel TL / 249 Mitch Kupchak #126 120 Billy Knight / 104 Allen Leavell TL / 96 John Lucas #127 121 George McGinnis / 10 Bob Lanier A / 222 Bill Walton #128 124 Phil Ford TL / 234 Adrian Dantley TL / 26 Eddie Johnson #129 127 Phil Ford / 43 Reggie Theus TL / 252 John Williamson #130 131 Scott Wedman / 244 Kevin Porter TL / 25 Armond Hill #131 132 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar TL / 93 Robert Parish TL / 126 Tom Burleson #132 135 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / 253 John Shumate SD / 167 Larry Demic #133 137 Michael Cooper / 212 John Shumate / 229 Paul Westphal #134 140 Mark Landsberger / 214 Lloyd Free TL / 44 Artis Gilmore #135 141 Norm Nixon / 242 Elvin Hayes TL / 35 M.L. Carr #136 143 Marques Johnson TL / 57 Dave Robisch / 254 Rick Robey SD #137 146 Junior Bridgeman / 1 Julius Erving AS / 49 Ricky Sobers #138 147 Quinn Buckner / 2 Marques Johnson AS / 68 Jeff Judkins #139 149 Marques Johnson / 83 Eric Money TL / 65 Mike Bratz #140 151 Sidney Moncrief / 133 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar TL / 207 Mike Gale #141 156 George Johnson / 175 Caldwell Jones TL / 129 Sam Lacey #142 158 Maurice Lucas / 262 Julius Erving SD / 62 Abdul Jeelani #143 159 Mike Newlin / 243 Wes Unseld TL / 50 Reggie Theus #144 160 Roger Phegley / 145 Quinn Buckner TL / 138 Brad Holland #145 161 Cliff Robinson / 114 Johnny Davis TL / 125 Otis Birdsong #146 162 Jan Van Breda Kolff / 174 Julius Erving TL / 139 Magic Johnson #147 165 Micheal Ray Richardson TL / 185 Steve Mix / 92 Robert Parish TL #148 166 Bill Cartwright / 13 Eddie Johnson AS / 179 Doug Collins #149 168 Toby Knight / 188 Paul Westphal TL / 77 Charlie Scott #150 169 Joe Meriweather / 196 K.Washington TL / 177 Henry Bibby #151 170 Earl Monroe / 206 James Silas TL / 91 Terry Tyler #152 172 Marvin Webster / 155 Eddie Jordan TL / 239 Allan Bristow #153 173 Ray Williams / 225 Jack Sikma TL / 100 Purvis Short #154 178 Maurice Cheeks / 11 George Gervin AS / 136 Jim Chones #155 183 Bobby Jones / 99 Clifford Ray / 235 Ben Poquette TL #156 189 Alvan Adams / 14 Lloyd Free AS / 240 Adrian Dantley #157 190 Don Buse / 6 Adrian Dantley AS / 227 James Bailey #158 191 Walter Davis / 9 Bill Cartwright AS / 199 Bob Gross #159 192 Rich Kelley / 263 Bobby Jones SD / 107 Moses Malone #160 201 Tom Owens / 134 Norm Nixon TL / 180 Darryl Dawkins #161 208 George Gervin / 53 Foots Walker TL / 223 Freeman Williams #162 217 Joe Bryant / 8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar AS / 200 Calvin Natt #163 219 Swen Nater / 101 Phil Smith / 224 Gus Williams TL #164 221 Brian Taylor / 256 Robert Reid SD / 22 Charlie Criss #165 228 Fred Brown / 31 Larry Bird TL / 198 Ron Brewer #166 230 John Johnson / 163 Bill Cartwright TL / 76 Dan Issel #167 231 Lonnie Shelton / 205 Larry Kenon TL / 203 Kermit Washington #168 233 Gus Williams / 41 Reggie Theus TL / 128 Reggie King #169 236 Allan Bristow TL / 260 Lonnie Shelton SD / 220 Paul Silas #170 238 Tom Boswell / 27 James McElroy / 85 Leon Douglas #171 241 Ben Poquette / 176 Maurice Cheeks TL / 87 Greg Kelser #172 245 Greg Ballard / 4 Walter Davis AS / 33 Nate Archibald #173 246 Bob Dandridge / 19 John Drew TL / 209 Larry Kenon #174 250 Kevin Porter / 20 Dan Roundfield TL / 211 Kevin Restani #175 251 Wes Unseld / 67 Geoff Huston / 5 John Drew AS #176 257 Elvin Hayes SD / 181 Julius Erving / 258 Ron Brewer SD To: mzentko@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 14:12:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Heathens! Breaking apart cards, is almost as bad as breaking apart sets. Mike Mroz is correct in that there are 176 difference panel combinations. That would make 2 complete sets. 88 panels, if they are the correct ones, make a set. I do not have a scanner operational at the house, but I will try and get you the list of the 176 panels and which ones make up a set later this week. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: MarkZ To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 12:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Split them apart! I did as a kid, big mistake but looks good in binder Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 15:35:52 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Richard Labs Subject: new year I wish everyone a great new year take care, Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:52:38 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Doug DeJong Subject: MAD fans? I seem to recall there are a few off us who collect MAD magazines, and I just finished going through the MAD paperbacks I have laying around. I turns out I have 24 duplicates, and they need to go. So, whether you collect these or just were a fan back in the day and could use a few laughs let me know as I would love to get them in the hands of someone who would enjoy them. If you want a list, just ask and don't be shy. ================= To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, mzentko@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:59:44 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps The first 88 make up 1 set and #89 -176 make up the 2nd set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock To: mikesportsfan ; mzentko ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; jd3681 Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 3:34 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Here's the list. (Went to www.beckett.com , searched for "1980/81 Topps basketball", cut paste to a decent editor, and came up with the following in about 5 minutes). Not sure if this the "official" numbering of this set, buta quick spot check with a 2003 SCD Basketball catalog seems to jive as thesame. Hope this helps.... #1 3 Dan Roundfield AS / 181 Julius Erving / 258 Ron Brewer SD #2 7 Moses Malone AS / 185 Steve Mix / 92 Robert Parish TL #3 12 Gus Williams AS / 67 Geoff Huston / 5 John Drew AS #4 24 Steve Hawes / 32 Nate Archibald TL / 248 Elvin Hayes #5 29 Dan Roundfield / 73 Dan Issel TL / 152 Brian Winters #6 34 Larry Bird RC / 174 Julius Erving TL / 139 Magic Johnson RC #7 36 Dave Cowens / 186 Paul Westphal TL / 142 Jamaal Wilkes #8 38 Pete Maravich / 264 Lloyd Free SD / 194 Dennis Johnson #9 40 Rick Robey / 234 Adrian Dantley TL / 26 Eddie Johnson #10 47 Scott May / 196 Kermit Washington TL / 177 Henry Bibby #11 55 Don Ford / 145 Quinn Buckner TL / 138 Brad Holland #12 58 Campy Russell / 247 Kevin Grevey / 52 Dave Robisch TL #13 60 Foots Walker / 113 Mick.Johnson TL / 130 Bill Robinzine #14 61 Austin Carr / 8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar AS / 200 Calvin Natt #15 63 Jim Cleamons / 256 Robert Reid SD / 22 Charlie Criss #16 69 Tom LaGarde / 215 Swen Nater TL / 213 James Silas #17 71 Jerome Whitehead / 259 Artis Gilmore SD / 184 Caldwell Jones #18 74 John Roche TL / 99 Clifford Ray / 235 Ben Poquette TL #19 75 Alex English / 2 Marques Johnson AS / 68 Jeff Judkins #20 82 Terry Tyler TL / 21 Armond Hill TL / 171 M.R. Richardson #21 84 Kent Benson / 212 John Shumate / 229 Paul Westphal #22 86 Phil Hubbard / 93 Robert Parish TL / 126 Tom Burleson #23 88 John Long / 1 Julius Erving AS / 49 Ricky Sobers #24 90 Eric Money / 57 Dave Robisch / 254 Rick Robey SD #25 95 Wayne Cooper RC / 226 John Johnson TL / 45 David Greenwood #26 97 Robert Parish / 187 Leon.Robinson TL / 46 Dwight Jones #27 98 Sonny Parker / 197 Dave Twardzik TL / 39 Cedric Maxwell #28 105 Rick Barry / 122 Otis Birdsong TL / 48 John Mengelt #29 106 Allen Leavell / 53 Foots Walker TL / 223 Freeman Williams #30 108 Calvin Murphy / 176 Maurice Cheeks TL / 87 Greg Kelser #31 110 Robert Reid / 243 Wes Unseld TL / 50 Reggie Theus #32 111 Rudy Tomjanovich / 13 Eddie Johnson AS / 179 Doug Collins #33 112 Mickey Johnson TL / 28 Wayne Rollins / 15 M.R.Richardson AS #34 115 Mike Bantom / 6 Adrian Dantley AS / 227 James Bailey #35 116 Dudley Bradley / 155 Eddie Jordan TL / 239 Allan Bristow #36 118 James Edwards / 153 Mike Newlin TL / 182 Lionel Hollins #37 119 Mickey Johnson / 154 Geo.Johnson TL / 193 Leonard Robinson #38 120 Billy Knight / 16 Paul Westphal AS / 59 Randy Smith #39 121 George McGinnis / 83 Eric Money TL / 65 Mike Bratz #40 124 Phil Ford TL / 101 Phil Smith / 224 Gus Williams TL #41 127 Phil Ford / 19 John Drew TL / 209 Larry Kenon #42 131 Scott Wedman / 164 Bill Cartwright TL / 23 John Drew #43 132 K.Abdul-Jabbar TL / 56 Mike Mitchell / 81 Terry Tyler TL #44 135 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / 79 David Thompson / 216 Brian Taylor #45 137 Michael Cooper / 103 Moses Malone TL / 148 George Johnson #46 140 Mark Landsberger / 10 Bob Lanier AS / 222 Bill Walton #47 141 Norm Nixon / 123 Sam Lacey TL / 54 Kenny Carr #48 143 Marques Johnson TL / 30 Larry Bird TL / 232 Jack Sikma #49 146 Junior Bridgeman / 31 Larry Bird TL / 198 Ron Brewer #50 147 Quinn Buckner / 133 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar TL / 207 Mike Gale #51 149 Marques Johnson / 262 Julius Erving SD / 62 Abdul Jeelani #52 151 Sidney Moncrief / 260 Lonnie Shelton SD / 220 Paul Silas #53 156 George Johnson / 9 Bill Cartwright AS / 199 Bob Gross #54 158 Maurice Lucas / 261 James Edwards SD / 157 Eddie Jordan #55 159 Mike Newlin / 134 Norm Nixon TL / 180 Darryl Dawkins #56 160 Roger Phegley / 206 James Silas TL / 91 Terry Tyler #57 161 Cliff Robinson / 51 Mike Mitchell TL / 80 Bobby Wilkerson #58 162 Jan Van Breda Kolff / 204 George Gervin TL / 117 Johnny Davis #59 165 M.R.Richardson TL / 214 Lloyd Free TL / 44 Artis Gilmore #60 166 Bill Cartwright / 244 Kevin Porter TL / 25 Armond Hill #61 168 Toby Knight / 14 Lloyd Free AS / 240 Adrian Dantley #62 169 Joe Meriweather / 218 Lloyd Free / 42 D.Greenwood TL #63 170 Earl Monroe / 27 James McElroy / 85 Leon Douglas #64 172 Marvin Webster / 175 Caldwell Jones TL / 129 Sam Lacey #65 173 Ray Williams / 94 John Lucas TL / 202 Dave Twardzik #66 178 Maurice Cheeks / 18 Magic Johnson AS / 237 Ron Boone #67 183 Bobby Jones / 37 Chris Ford / 66 Joe Hassett #68 189 Alvan Adams / 163 Bill Cartwright TL / 76 Dan Issel #69 190 Don Buse / 242 Elvin Hayes TL / 35 M.L. Carr #70 191 Walter Davis / 11 George Gervin AS / 136 Jim Chones #71 192 Rich Kelley / 102 Moses Malone TL / 64 Winford Boynes #72 201 Tom Owens / 225 Jack Sikma TL / 100 Purvis Short #73 208 George Gervin / 72 Dan Issel TL / 249 Mitch Kupchak #74 217 Joe Bryant / 263 Bobby Jones SD / 107 Moses Malone #75 219 Swen Nater / 17 Calvin Murphy AS / 70 Richard Washington #76 221 Brian Taylor / 253 John Shumate SD / 167 Larry Demic #77 228 Fred Brown / 205 Larry Kenon TL / 203 Kermit Washington #78 230 John Johnson / 4 Walter Davis AS / 33 Nate Archibald #79 231 Lonnie Shelton / 104 Allen Leavell TL / 96 John Lucas #80 233 Gus Williams / 20 Dan Roundfield TL / 211 Kevin Restani #81 236 Allan Bristow TL / 210 Mark Olberding / 255 James Bailey SD #82 238 Tom Boswell / 109 Billy Paultz / 150 Bob Lanier #83 241 Ben Poquette / 188 Paul Westphal TL / 77 Charlie Scott #84 245 Greg Ballard / 43 Reggie Theus TL / 252 John Williamson #85 246 Bob Dandridge / 41 Reggie Theus TL / 128 Reggie King #86 250 Kevin Porter / 114 Johnny Davis TL / 125 Otis Birdsong #87 251 Wes Unseld / 195 Tom Owens TL / 78 John Roche #88 257 Elvin Hayes SD / 144 Marques Johnson TL / 89 Bob McAdoo #89 3 Dan Roundfield / 218 Lloyd Free / 42 D.Greenwood TL #90 7 Moses Malone / 247 Kevin Grevey / 52 Dave Robisch TL #91 12 Gus Williams / 210 Mark Olberding / 255 James Bailey SD #92 24 Steve Hawes / 226 John Johnson TL / 45 David Greenwood #93 29 Dan Roundfield / 113 Mick.Johnson TL / 130 Bill Robinzine #94 34 Larry Bird / 164 Bill Cartwright TL / 23 John Drew #95 36 Dave Cowens / 16 Paul Westphal AS / 59 Randy Smith #96 38 Pete Maravich / 187 Leonard Robinson TL / 46 Dwight Jones #97 40 Rick Robey / 37 Chris Ford / 66 Joe Hassett #98 47 Scott May / 30 Larry Bird TL / 232 Jack Sikma #99 55 Don Ford / 144 Marques Johnson TL / 89 Bob McAdoo #100 58 Campy Russell / 21 Armond Hill TL / 171 Micheal Ray Richardson #101 60 Foots Walker / 122 Otis Birdsong TL / 48 John Mengelt #102 61 Austin Carr / 56 Mike Mitchell / 81 Terry Tyler TL #103 63 Jim Cleamons / 261 James Edwards SD / 157 Eddie Jordan #104 69 Tom LaGarde / 109 Billy Paultz / 150 Bob Lanier #105 71 Jerome Whitehead / 17 Calvin Murphy AS / 70 Richard Washington #106 74 John Roche TL / 28 Wayne Rollins / 15 M.R.Richardson AS #107 75 Alex English / 102 Moses Malone TL / 64 Winford Boynes #108 82 Terry Tyler TL / 79 David Thompson / 216 Brian Taylor TL #109 84 Kent Benson / 259 Artis Gilmore SD / 184 Caldwell Jones #110 86 Phil Hubbard / 195 Tom Owens TL / 78 John Roche #111 88 John Long / 18 Magic Johnson AS / 237 Ron Boone #112 90 Eric Money / 215 Swen Nater TL / 213 James Silas #113 95 Wayne Cooper RC / 154 George Johnson TL / 193 Leon.Robinson #114 97 Robert Parish / 103 Moses Malone TL / 148 George Johnson #115 98 Sonny Parker / 94 John Lucas TL / 202 Dave Twardzik #116 105 Rick Barry / 123 Sam Lacey TL / 54 Kenny Carr #117 106 Allen Leavell / 197 Dave Twardzik TL / 39 Cedric Maxwell #118 108 Calvin Murphy / 51 Mike Mitchell TL / 80 Bobby Wilkerson #119 110 Robert Reid / 153 Mike Newlin TL / 182 Lionel Hollins #120 111 Rudy Tomjanovich / 73 Dan Issel TL / 152 Brian Winters #121 112 Mick.Johnson TL / 264 Lloyd Free SD / 194 Dennis Johnson #122 115 Mike Bantom / 204 George Gervin TL / 117 Johnny Davis #123 116 Dudley Bradley / 186 Paul Westphal TL / 142 Jamaal Wilkes #124 118 James Edwards / 32 Nate Archibald TL / 248 Elvin Hayes #125 119 Mickey Johnson / 72 Dan Issel TL / 249 Mitch Kupchak #126 120 Billy Knight / 104 Allen Leavell TL / 96 John Lucas #127 121 George McGinnis / 10 Bob Lanier A / 222 Bill Walton #128 124 Phil Ford TL / 234 Adrian Dantley TL / 26 Eddie Johnson #129 127 Phil Ford / 43 Reggie Theus TL / 252 John Williamson #130 131 Scott Wedman / 244 Kevin Porter TL / 25 Armond Hill #131 132 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar TL / 93 Robert Parish TL / 126 Tom Burleson #132 135 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar / 253 John Shumate SD / 167 Larry Demic #133 137 Michael Cooper / 212 John Shumate / 229 Paul Westphal #134 140 Mark Landsberger / 214 Lloyd Free TL / 44 Artis Gilmore #135 141 Norm Nixon / 242 Elvin Hayes TL / 35 M.L. Carr #136 143 Marques Johnson TL / 57 Dave Robisch / 254 Rick Robey SD #137 146 Junior Bridgeman / 1 Julius Erving AS / 49 Ricky Sobers #138 147 Quinn Buckner / 2 Marques Johnson AS / 68 Jeff Judkins #139 149 Marques Johnson / 83 Eric Money TL / 65 Mike Bratz #140 151 Sidney Moncrief / 133 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar TL / 207 Mike Gale #141 156 George Johnson / 175 Caldwell Jones TL / 129 Sam Lacey #142 158 Maurice Lucas / 262 Julius Erving SD / 62 Abdul Jeelani #143 159 Mike Newlin / 243 Wes Unseld TL / 50 Reggie Theus #144 160 Roger Phegley / 145 Quinn Buckner TL / 138 Brad Holland #145 161 Cliff Robinson / 114 Johnny Davis TL / 125 Otis Birdsong #146 162 Jan Van Breda Kolff / 174 Julius Erving TL / 139 Magic Johnson #147 165 Micheal Ray Richardson TL / 185 Steve Mix / 92 Robert Parish TL #148 166 Bill Cartwright / 13 Eddie Johnson AS / 179 Doug Collins #149 168 Toby Knight / 188 Paul Westphal TL / 77 Charlie Scott #150 169 Joe Meriweather / 196 K.Washington TL / 177 Henry Bibby #151 170 Earl Monroe / 206 James Silas TL / 91 Terry Tyler #152 172 Marvin Webster / 155 Eddie Jordan TL / 239 Allan Bristow #153 173 Ray Williams / 225 Jack Sikma TL / 100 Purvis Short #154 178 Maurice Cheeks / 11 George Gervin AS / 136 Jim Chones #155 183 Bobby Jones / 99 Clifford Ray / 235 Ben Poquette TL #156 189 Alvan Adams / 14 Lloyd Free AS / 240 Adrian Dantley #157 190 Don Buse / 6 Adrian Dantley AS / 227 James Bailey #158 191 Walter Davis / 9 Bill Cartwright AS / 199 Bob Gross #159 192 Rich Kelley / 263 Bobby Jones SD / 107 Moses Malone #160 201 Tom Owens / 134 Norm Nixon TL / 180 Darryl Dawkins #161 208 George Gervin / 53 Foots Walker TL / 223 Freeman Williams #162 217 Joe Bryant / 8 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar AS / 200 Calvin Natt #163 219 Swen Nater / 101 Phil Smith / 224 Gus Williams TL #164 221 Brian Taylor / 256 Robert Reid SD / 22 Charlie Criss #165 228 Fred Brown / 31 Larry Bird TL / 198 Ron Brewer #166 230 John Johnson / 163 Bill Cartwright TL / 76 Dan Issel #167 231 Lonnie Shelton / 205 Larry Kenon TL / 203 Kermit Washington #168 233 Gus Williams / 41 Reggie Theus TL / 128 Reggie King #169 236 Allan Bristow TL / 260 Lonnie Shelton SD / 220 Paul Silas #170 238 Tom Boswell / 27 James McElroy / 85 Leon Douglas #171 241 Ben Poquette / 176 Maurice Cheeks TL / 87 Greg Kelser #172 245 Greg Ballard / 4 Walter Davis AS / 33 Nate Archibald #173 246 Bob Dandridge / 19 John Drew TL / 209 Larry Kenon #174 250 Kevin Porter / 20 Dan Roundfield TL / 211 Kevin Restani #175 251 Wes Unseld / 67 Geoff Huston / 5 John Drew AS #176 257 Elvin Hayes SD / 181 Julius Erving / 258 Ron Brewer SD To: mzentko@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 14:12:48 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Heathens! Breaking apart cards, is almost as bad as breaking apart sets. Mike Mroz is correct in that there are 176 difference panel combinations. That would make 2 complete sets. 88 panels, if they are the correct ones, make a set. I do not have a scanner operational at the house, but I will try and get you the list of the 176 panels and which ones make up a set later this week. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: MarkZ To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 1, 2014 12:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 80/81 topps Split them apart! I did as a kid, big mistake but looks good in binder Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 18:39:21 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: john harrell Subject: 2014 goals Card-wise progress was slow in 2013 as my focus was mainly on my antique bat collection. I am writing a book on the evolution of the baseball bat, emphasizing changes in 19th century bats. As a result my OBC activity slowed considerably and not much progress was made on my postwar sets as I would have liked, falling short of my 2013 goal of breaking the 1000 card mark for finishing the 52-80 Topps run. I did manage, however, to reduce most of my prewar sets by a few. Most notably my T205 set needs shrank from 7 to 4, the r312 set from 9 to 7, the Sport Kings from 6 to 4, and the 33 WWG English back set from 4 to 2. For 2014 I hope to finish the 33 WWG English-back set, only needing 2 commons, 73 and 78. Also I'd like to knck at least 1 more off the T205 set to bring that down to 3, although the ones left are all big tickets (Cobb, Johnson, Speaker, and Wilhelm), knock 1 or 2 off the R312 set, and knock 1 off the Sport Kings set. My big goal, though, is to finish my baseball bat book. It has taken a while to get rolling on it but I've finally gotten through the first 3 chapters and have some momentum. Biggest challenge will be figuring out exactly how to present all the bat pictures. It's been challenging but a lot of fun. Happy New Year to everyone and Happy Collecting. ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 16:56:26 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: 2014 goals Fellas -- I'm not sure yet, but I may be going through a bit of a career change in the next couple months. I've been flying for the Air Force for 23 yearsnow (20 as military, 3 as a civilian). It's been a blast, but I've been giving serious consideration to going to work for Delta or United. It might not be as "fun," but it would eventually give me more time off to do other things I have been considering (teaching, brewing, reading, etc). The only down side is that I will get a pretty severe pay cut my first year, while I'm on probation=E2=A6just in time for my first kid to go off to college. It will payoff in the long run, but the upfront pain will limit my card buying, to say the least! We've been collectingour dimes the last few months to help ease the pain... With that being said, I still hope to build my Sovereign T205 set. I need less than half now=E2=A6down to 53. I'd like to get about 20 of them this year through trades and an occasional splurge. Doesn't sound like much of a goal, but they aren't always easy to track down! I think that's what makes it fun. I have an interview with Delta at the end of the month=E2=A6I'll let youknow how it goes! Take Care, ================= Date: 01 Jan 2014 17:50:32 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2014 Goals ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 21:22:55 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RAN912@aol.com Subject: Re: 2014 goals 2014 Goals - add thousands of cards from all years and sets and live to see 2015 Rich Niessen ================= To: RAN912@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 21:28:00 -0500 From: "John" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 21:55:57 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: 2014 goals My goals this year are simple, but not necessarily easy: 1934 Batter-Up: finish low numbers (8 left) 1934 Goudey: finish (2 left) 1949 Bowman: get list to under 10 (20+ now) 1954 Red Heart: get up to a dozen (have 5 now) 1957 Topps: finish upgrade to G-VG (9 left) 1971 OPC: finish upgrade to G-VG (10 left) One solid year of writing will push my type collection blog to 1000 posts, so add that to the pile. Good luck to everyone on their 2014 goals and looking forward to OBC's next ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 19:08:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Patrick Prickett Subject: 2014 Collecting Goals Hi All, Well, I'm new to this tradition of defining 2014 goals but my goals are very 1) 1952 Topps Grey Back of #180 Charlie Maxwell 2) 1952 Topps Grey Back of #189 Pete Reiser 3) The 14 final 1923 W572s (Barbara, Cadore, Duncan, Gowdy, Heilmann,Mamaux, Naylor, Parkinson, Rapp, Reuther, Rigney,Sewell, Wambsganss, and Joe Wood - Sad that I have these memorized!) Getting ANY of these 16 will be a great year (Heck I'm not even sure that 2of the w572s even exist despite being listed in the checklists), but I will set the bar as getting 4 of these. Oh, and I guess the more realistic goal get the final 3 1977-78 Topps Basketball Grey Back (20 Maravich, 29 checklist, and 111 Parish). ================= Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:23:32 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: took the plunge on new sets in honor of my new webpage I decided to take the plunge and put up a couple of new sets. I have no idea why but I have added a basketball, hockey and hostess/kelloggs baseball pages. I picked up a small lot and these were included. by no means am I married to just these lots so if you have other pre 80's lots of these sittingaround and want to get rid of them don't hesitate to send em my way. they will be well loved. thanks all for the help with my collection and cheers to the new year. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: 01 Jan 2014 21:18:38 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2014 goals ================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 17:27:30 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: 62 post football Been in Arizona for awhile and didn't get to a card shop until today on theway to the airport. Didn't get any of my big 33 but got two black back 52's I needed and a bunch of football since most are have lists. Got here 2 hours early to find out I Have a 2 1/2 hour delay so I updated my want lists . I bought a big stack of 62 post football and have ten dupes they are all commons but if you post collectors want to send me your lists I still haveover two hours to kill to look at them. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 17:46:36 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Membership Poll Volunteer Fellas -- Can I get somebody to volunteer to run the Membership Poll this year? It's not terribly difficult, basically checking the names off the list as they reply. If you can help, that would be awesome! Take Care, ================= Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 22:27:30 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Bad weather 75 degrees here and do to weather never made it out of the airport. Came back home will try again tomorrow but it will be 75 again . Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 06:43:51 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC , rick From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad weather Rick, ok I'll bite...Let me guess you had your dates wrong and drove to the airport early....actually you were just driving around sunny AZ enjoying the weather and drove close to Sky Harbor?

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================= Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 05:42:58 -0500 From: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad weather ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:46:24 -0800 (PST) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Dan Angland Subject: Membership Poll--Response Required It is time again for the annual membership poll in order to make sure we have the right emails and that your membership remains active. We hope you will remain active in OBC and encourage other prospective OBC members this coming year as well. Per the OBC rules, all active members are required to respond to this OBCACpoll to remain on the active roster. You have3 choices and youmay YES - Please keep me on the active roster of OBC. NO - I do not wish to be active, please place me on the inactive list. NO - I am leaving OBC, please remove me from the group. We will keep the poll open for4 weeks untilJanuary 31, 2014 which should be time for all active members to respond. All members who do not respond will be given a notice prior to any dreaded =E2=9Cfurther action=E2=9D being taken, but please respond to cut down the sometimes considerable follow-up efforts. It is not necessary for inactive members to respond, but if you wish to do so it is always nice to hear from you and it would be great, if you wish to return to activeduty. All active members please RESPOND to me (Dan Angland) directly by sending an email toduph182@YAHOO.COM Have an OBC year! Dan Angland ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 16:38:54 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2013-14 NFL Playoff Pool - last chance to enter !! Deadline extended! Content-Language: en I realize that the weather sucks through most of the country east of the Mississippi, and I have to go home to shovel tonight as i couldn't get near my house yesterday. So what better time to turn on the tube and watch NFL playoff football this weekend. And to have a rooting interest, why not join our pool ? Once again, I am going to be running a playoff pool for all those interested. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active each team in each game. We had over a dozen participants last year, a have that many saying they are playing this year already. It was a lot of fun, even if the team you root for is done for the year. The entry fee is a baseball card, preferably pre-1980, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please wait to send your card to me until I know we have enough entries to proceed. If we do, then send the card at your earliest convenience to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. Here is the schedule: AFC Week 1 (Jan 4-5): 6 Chargers at 3 Bengals, 5 Chiefs at 4 Colts, 1 Broncos and 2 Patriots BYE AFC Week 2 (Jan 11-12): 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3 (Jan 19): Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Saints at 3 Eagles, 5 Forty-Niners at 4 Packers, 1 Seattle and 2 Panthers BYE NFC Week 2: 1 Seahawks at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Panthers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4 (Feb 2): Super Bowl The weekend of January 4-5 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and must have exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are nodefenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: To give everyone a few more hours to enter after your snow removal duties, picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 2 PM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PATs 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions or kick returns for Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four games). Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. The more entries we get, the more rosters will win a prize. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before noon. Please let me k if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Rememb picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than this Saturday, January 4 at 2 PM Central Time. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your ================= Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 17:30:59 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Doug DeJong Subject: Collecting goals for 2014 2013 was a tough year in terms of collecting, as moving half way across the country, selling a house, buying a house, starting a new job, and all that took its toll on the free time. But 2014 is a new year so I am hopeful to meet the following modest goals. I have already knocked one thing of my list, I had been having trouble with my wantlist reverting to an old version and have set up a new one using Google, so that should be resolved. 1. FINISH my birthquest year, the 1960 Topps set. I am down to around 45 left so it should get done. 2. Finish the 1954 Bowman set, which is down to 17. 3. Knock the wantlist in half for the 1957 Topps set. 4. After getting #1 done, I hope to start either a football or hockey birthquest set, and leaning heavy on the 1960 Topps Football set. That's it. I did manage to leave an area with very few shops or shows and arrive in one with no shops or shows, so I will be more dependent on Evilbay than ever! Happy 2014 everyone...Doug Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 06:16:23 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: another 80/81 topps basketball question I am about ready to throw these cards away. I am so frustrated right now. Taylor Schock was kind enough to send me a listing of the cards.I thought great, I will take the list and match the cards and get an idea of what I am still needing. easy peasy. heck no....not easy peasy. the cards I have don't match the list. what the heck am I doing wrong? any thoughts before I just junk this idea of a confusing set? thanks for letting me rant John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= To: jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:00:43 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] another 80/81 topps basketball question Card #s on the list are from bottom up on the cards. Try that. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: John Dahms To: OBC ramblings ; VCT Sent: Sat, Jan 4, 2014 9:16 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] another 80/81 topps basketball question I am about ready to throw these cards away. I am so frustrated right now.Taylor Schock was kind enough to send me a listing of the cards. I thought great, I will take the list and match the cards and get an idea of whatI am still needing. easy peasy. heck no....not easy peasy. the cards I have don't match the list. what the heck am I doing wrong? any thoughts before I just junk this idea of a confusing thanks for letting me rant John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 11:28:31 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: 2013 report card and 2014 collecting goals It's been fun reading others 2014 goals, so I figured I do an evaluation ofmy collecting focus from last year and formalize my 2014 goals as well. 2013 Collecting report card A ) Reduce my card dupes by 50%. Results: Semi-success. Got rid of quite a bit of the newer stuff but since I picked up some major local auction wins, I added a ton of dupes as well. B ) Reduce my comic collection by 50%. Results: Good progress. While I actually have not gotten rid of much, I have gone through the entire collection, pulled and organized what I am getting rid of so I am ready to do a couple local shows. C ) Increase my trade and RAOK output. Results: Success (I think). Unsure but based on Results from A and F, its pretty close to success. D ) Attend the Chicago National and meet up with more OBCers. Results: Rousing success! E ) Have more due diligence for picking up pre-war cards and 1928 ice creamcards. Results: Success! Probably increased my T205 collection by 30% and went from 4 to 15 Yuenglings. F ) Make a decision on my Bowmans. Should they stay in my collection or should they go? Results: Success! They are gone except for a select few I wanted to keep. G ) Cut the following want lists in half: - H891 (Tobin Lithographs) - 1952-1955 Red Man - N2 (American Indian Chiefs) - G-Men and Heroes of the Law Results: Not even close. Some progress on the Red Mans, little on the G-Menand N2, and none on the Tobins. H ) Complete the following sets: - That pesky 1995 Conlon set. Need only 2 more (#1369 and #1394). Any help? - 1960 and 1961 Fleer - 1970, 1974, and 1975 Kelloggs - 1955 and 1957 Topps - 1970s Topps Variations - 1974-1976 Topps Football - 20 of my current non-sports sets. There are some (theoretically) easy and cheap ones there. Results: Mixed. Still stuck on the Conlons, Fleer, Kelloggs, and just 3 or4 non-sports, but completed '55 Topps, major damage to the FB and '57 Topps. 2014 Collecting Goals This year I'll keep it short and sweet. A ) Move out more cards than come in! B ) Hit the Cleveland National! C ) Finish the following sets: i) 1954-1957, 1964 Topps baseball ii ) 1974-76 Topps football iii) 1888 R&S iv ) 1995 Conlon D ) Reduce the want list on the following sets: i) 1928 Yuengling - 15 cards ii) T205 - 30 cards iii) 1970, 1972-1978 Kelloggs - 25 cards iv) Exhibits (non-stat back) - 20 cards v) Topps baseball variations - 20 cards ================= Date: 04 Jan 2014 10:30:30 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2014 goals ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 10:59:50 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Thomas Elliott Subject: RE: 2014 collecting goals OK, I'll chime in, too. I enjoy reading others' goals and am impressed that so many of you devote so much time to this. OBC is indeed wonderful for gathering a bunch of like-minded crazies like myself. In 2013, I knocked off two sets I started the years they were issued: the 1973-74 Topps basketball set and the '74 Topps baseball set with all variations. My set heroes are Greg Miller for the final two basketball cards (thanks again Greg) and Lynn Miller (who else?) for the final variation for the '74T baseball, a John Grubb "Washington Nat'l Lg." card. (Lynn, I owe you and am always on the lookout for oddball Hank Aaron stuff). For 2014, I'd like to come as close as I can to knocking off my '70s baseball run. They are: 1). 1970 Topps -- I need two (579 and 671) 2). 1972 Kelloggs All-Time Greats -- I need one (#6 Babe Ruth) 3). 1972 Topps -- I need four, but all are non-common high numbers: (568 Juan Marichal In Action, 688 Cardinals team, 696 Rod Carew In Action, 752 JoeMorgan 4). 1975 Topps -- I need 11. None are commons, but all shouldn't be too hard. 5). 1971 Topps -- I'm down to 23 (thanks again for the hit Richard Niessen). All of them are high numbers and/or short prints. I'd also like to consistently send out RAOK as much as possible, more than 2013 and to give paybacks to a number of OBCers that I have received cards from. Have a great 2014 everyone. OBC is wonderful, Tom Elliott ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:19:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: Goals: 2013 Achievements and 2014 Targets Hi everyone Jumping in on this thread before it gets too late.... 2013 Goals were: * Started the year needing1,365 cards to complete my 1951-1993 Topps plus 1948-1955 Bowman runs. I hoped to average a card a day and knock that under 1,000. RESULT: I came up a bit short. I closed 2013 needing 1,025 cards. * Knock my wantlists on 1958, 1962, and 1963 Topps to under 20. RESULT: Success. 1958 down to 9, 1962 down to 12, and 1963 down to 10. * Pick up three of the four cards I need to finish my 1-310 1952 Topps run. RESULT: Success. Need just the Mays card to complete 1-310. * Kill the 1955 Topps set by picking up the Clemente Rookie. RESULT: Success. Picked up a nice version thru Clean Sweep Auction this fall. * Complete the 1960 Fleer (1-79) and 1962 Post baseball sets. RESULT:Mixed. Post set complete, still need three cards on the Fleer set. * Cut my 1975-1979 Hostess wantlist in half (started the year at 275). RESULT: Nope. These sets continue to be difficult to complete. I only knocked it down to 210. * Pick up at least two 1939 Play Ball high numbers. RESULT: Success. Picked up five. * Add a 1970s era football and basketball set to my wantlist. RESULT:Added two basketballs and no footballs. * Attend Chicago National. RESULT: Check. * Increase RAOK / trading activity. RESULT: Need to do better at this. Life continues to get in the way of hobbies. 2014 GOALS: * Reduce my1951-1993 Topps plus 1948-1955 Bowman runs from 1,025 to 800 * Complete the 1962 Topps set * Reduce my 1958 and 1963 Topps as well as 1954 Bowman wantlists to five. * Complete the 1960 Fleer (1-79) and 1964 Topps Coins sets. Need three Fleers and two Coins. * Cut my 1950 Bowman wantlist from four to two. * Cut my 1955 Bowman wantlist in half, from 36. * Reach double digits in 1952 Topps high numbers (currently at 6) * Increase RAOK activity Happy new year everyone Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:54:39 -0500 (EST) To: net@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: 2013-14 goals same goals different year 1952 Topps-15 left plus Mantle I hope to knock off another 5 i had 22 plus mantle so that goal was reached reached and with Kurt Tourdot i knocked off two so far this year and OBCcoffee man knocked another 2 on update list. When this is done onto the variations i need 1962 Post football--3 left the last thee years--You'd think that two Packers would be easy to find in Minnesota but in 3 years i seen one of each and win i got desperate that i was paying 80 dollars for the cards the dealer died and haven't see one since(No i didn't kill him by trying to buy them from him) 1962 and 62 Jello-My 52 topps sets is more important to me this set is is one or two cards a year. My main goal has nothing to with cards. get my health in order. in past two years i almost made Ron Perry the only OBCer that was born on May 2, 1953. While I enjoy getting cards, my list is almost impossible to hit for normal people and my dup box is bountiful of less conditioned card I havent had the stamina to look through them I hope to change this but with my work schedule at overnights my blood sugar count in the coma range 329 to 586(dr in this group will tell you i in the massive stroke area and my bosses say your upright you look good to me or you can leave a find a new job. At almost 61, i thinks finding a good job went south a few decades ago ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 06:39:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: OBC vintage photo (1991) X-Sender: larrytipton@windstream.net X-Apparently-To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com X-Received: (qmail 31953 invoked by uid 102); 5 Jan 2014 11:39:37 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com) (10.193.84.36) by m4.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 11:39:37 -0000 X-Received: (qmail 29463 invoked from network); 5 Jan 2014 11:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from unknown (HELO pacmmta54.windstream.net) (162.39.147.220) by mtaq5.grp.bf1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Jan 2014 11:39:36 -0000 X-Received: from [192.168.254.10] ([174.131.51.194]) by pacmmta54 with pacmmta54 id ABfY1n00A4BQ3KA01BfZtN; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 06:39:36 -0500 X-WS-COS: WSOB804 X-Cloudmark-Category: undefined X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=E6te+8tl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UzwIwlTw0Lma/2V9NLuVMg==:117 a=UzwIwlTw0Lma/2V9NLuVMg==:17 a=o2QoyYduAAAA:8 a=UT_QgiwtmQIA:10 a=EhQSQEMiCccA:10 a=MB7RprXbgbR9_vNiR-YA:9 a=JIMUxT7sUaLwUie0:18 a=KQqxNPgzF0kA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.00 X-WS-Auth: larrytipton@windstream.net Authentication-Results: pacmmta54 ; auth=pass Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 06:39:31 -0500 Message-Id: To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1283) Content-Disposition: inline; filename="Scanned Image 140050167.jpg" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1283) X-Originating-IP: 10.193.84.36 X-eGroups-Msg-Info: 1:12:0:0:0 From: Larry Tipton Subject: OBC vintage photo (1991) X-Yahoo-Group-Post: member; u=381208712; y=fnKguS2SG0zmcqSlgIZrGUb7lrjd23oLCMqbdjQXSjwpFQY X-Yahoo-Profile: larryobc ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 07:12:11 -0500 To: Larry Tipton From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:39 AM, Larry Tipton wrote: > ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 06:19:57 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) Notice the "great posture"................. Like it was said b/4 "classic". Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 08:07:03 -0500 To: Larry Tipton From: OBC Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) Is that a Beckett Price Guide I spy?!? Jimmy "Catfish" Parker...Save the gum for me! ================= To: kshoes@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 09:47:19 -0500 (EST) From: Gary Mandell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) [1 Attachment] the computer still looks better than mine! -----Original Message----- From: ken goetsch To: obc Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 6:20 am Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from ken goetsch included below] Notice the "great posture"................. Like it was said b/4 "classic". Ken Goetsch ================= To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 10:31:07 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) This is fantastic... The sweater is great! I had nearly the same computer desk with the same original OBC address list taped to the side. I still have both my original OBCaddress lists (Larry saw them when he stopped by last year). Love the Williams, Aaron, and Batting Foes cards. Also love the seeing the old Prodigy log in screen and floppy discs (looks like Larry had both the true large floppy discs and the "new" smaller 3 1/2 discs!). The stacks of cards and whatwas obviously a list he was checking off complete this snapshot of OBC history... As I was answering the annual roll call yesterday, I was telling my wife that it was nearly 25 years since I started trading online with some of theseguys!! She was very impressed. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 5, 2014 3:39 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 10:48:25 -0500 (EST) From: typecard@aol.com Subject: 2014 Collecting Goals Here are my 2014 Collecting Goals. Any help would be appreciated and rewarded. 1. Acquire 12 cards from a combination of thesesets: E99 Bishop, E100 Bishop, T211 Red Sun, T216 Kotton, T217 Mono, D303General Baking 2. Finish my 1932 Zeenut set =E2=93 need 2 3. End year with 15 different E101s 4. Finish 1957 Topps set 1-407 =E2=93 need 1 (still needchecklists) 5. Finish either the 1968-69 Topps hockey set orthe 1974-75 OPC WHA set 6. Get 1959 Bell Brand Rams wantlist under 10 (need17 currently) 7. Finish either 1963 Topps football or 1967Philadelphia football 8. Finish E49 American Caramel Old West =E2=93 need 2 ================= Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 13:26:20 -0500 To: Larry Tipton , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 07:37:11 -0800 To: Obc Ramblings From: Edward Watts Subject: Emperor Gratian Rookie Coin Hi Everyone, As some of you know, I have been working on a book about people born in the310s AD and their reaction to the rise of Christianity. I am using Roman coins for some of the book illustrations and recently learned that buying the coins themselves is cheaper than paying a museum for permission to use apicture. At any rate, I have ended up with a duplicate bronze coin of theemperor Gratian (minted in what is now Serbia) that dates from 379-383 AD.If anyone is interested, just let me know. Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 10:46:06 -0500 (EST) To: theophylact2000@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Emperor Gratian Rookie Coin Content-Language: en was that his rookie coin? In a message dated 1/6/2014 9:37:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, theophylact2000@yahoo.com writes: Hi Everyone, As some of you know, I have been working on a book about people born in the 310s AD and their reaction to the rise of Christianity. I am using Roman coins for some of the book illustrations and recently learned that buying the coins themselves is cheaper than paying a museum for permission to usea picture. At any rate, I have ended up with a duplicate bronze coin of the emperor Gratian (minted in what is now Serbia) that dates from 379-383 AD. If anyone is interested, just let me know. Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 08:05:07 -0800 To: "Smartalecx@aol.com" From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Emperor Gratian Rookie Coin I guess not technically--but the subject sounded better that way. He was 20 years old when this coin was issued but had appeared on coins since he was Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Smartalecx@aol.com wrote: > was that his rookie coin? > In a message dated 1/6/2014 9:37:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, theophylact2000@yahoo.com > Hi Everyone, > As some of you know, I have been working on a book about people born in the 310s AD and their reaction to the rise of Christianity. I am using Romancoins for some of the book illustrations and recently learned that buying the coins themselves is cheaper than paying a museum for permission to use a picture. At any rate, I have ended up with a duplicate bronze coin of theemperor Gratian (minted in what is now Serbia) that dates from 379-383 AD.If anyone is interested, just let me know. > Ed Watts > Sent from my iPhone > Gary Mandell > 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 > Chicago, IL 60613-5518 > http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html > Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 09:15:11 -0700 To: Edward Watts From: Marshall West Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Emperor Gratian Rookie Coin The only coin left on my Serbian wantlist is the 352 A.D. Mantle...so I'll keep looking :) On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 9:05 AM, Edward Watts wrote: > I guess not technically--but the subject sounded better that way. He was > 20 years old when this coin was issued but had appeared on coins since he > was 8. > Ed > Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Smartalecx@aol.com wrote: > was that his rookie coin? > In a message dated 1/6/2014 9:37:16 A.M. Central Standard Time, > theophylact2000@yahoo.com writes: > Hi Everyone, > As some of you know, I have been working on a book about people born in > the 310s AD and their reaction to the rise of Christianity. I am using > Roman coins for some of the book illustrations and recently learned that > buying the coins themselves is cheaper than paying a museum for permission > to use a picture. At any rate, I have ended up with a duplicate bronze coin > of the emperor Gratian (minted in what is now Serbia) that dates from > 379-383 AD. If anyone is interested, just let me know. > Ed Watts > Sent from my iPhone > Gary Mandell > 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 > Chicago, IL 60613-5518 > http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html > Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:46:44 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Small pleasures..... From the Dept of things that only card collectors can understand: Short of completing a set, is there anything more satisfying than filling the last slot in a binder page? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 22:41:45 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC , Glenn From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Small pleasures..... Glenn, that's pretty good, but how about filling the first empty slot on the reserved pages on 61, 66 or 67 hi numbers?
I counted out all of the pages needed to fill the set in every one of the binders....some of those last ones have no cards in them yet :(

So getting a high number page started feels sometimes better than a low number being finished.
But what about a high number page being finished!?!? Now that is really great!
OBC Forever,
Brian

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================= Date: 06 Jan 2014 19:08:08 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2013 Collecting Goals in review ================= Date: 06 Jan 2014 19:34:40 -0800 To: From: Subject: Just call me Butterfingers ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 14:03:44 -0000 To: Glenn Codere ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... I really like changing my wantlist from this: 140 525 585 590 592 593 596 to this: 525 585 590 592 593 596 --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > From the Dept of things that only card collectors can understand: > Short of completing a set, is there anything more satisfying than fillingthe last slot in a binder page? > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:07:40 -0800 (PST) To: zackenback23 , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... 1962 Topps? Those Rookie Parades are tough . Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: zackenback23 To: Glenn Codere ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... I really like changing my wantlist from this: 140 525 585 590 592 593 596 to this: 525 585 590 592 593 596 --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > From the Dept of things that only card collectors can understand: > Short of completing a set, is there anything more satisfying than fillingthe last slot in a binder page? > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:13:53 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... And speaking of the 1962 Topps set, Mike, have you ever felt inclined to work on the Greenies? =EF=BF=BC Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:16:59 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... Is it somewhat sad that so many of us could look at a list of numbers like that and instantly know which set it is? =EF=BF=BC Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: 07 Jan 2014 06:47:10 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... ================= To: directorth@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:40:08 -0500 From: "John" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: 07 Jan 2014 08:33:31 -0800 To: From: Subject: 67 Set Complete ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 08:37:30 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 67 Set Complete Dude!!! That's amazing!!! Congrats on knocking that bugger of a set off. I'm hoping to do the same this year (Alomar and Brooks!!) Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "tvalacak@comcast.net" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 4:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 67 Set Complete Hey gang, I received quite the surprise on Saturday. As many of you know, I coach girls softball at the high school I teach at. We have a very good program, and are often playing deep into the playoffs. Even better, we have had great kids come through the program. One particular girl is now playing at the Charleston Southern University. She wanted to stop by and say hello on Saturday, before she hoped on a plane back for school. Now, I have to say, her father has been more than generous as I amgoing through my treatment. He has made numerous trips to visit me while in the hospital, and many times came with gifts. Sometimes for me, sometimes the family, sometimes the nurses. Just overely generous,but he keeps saying if it wasnt for the softball program, he would be paying college tuition. He is a great guy who enjoys collecting the newergame used stuff and autogrphs. Ok, so on Saturday, his daughter and I had a nice conversation, and before she left she handed me a gift "This is from my dad". I opened it up,and there it was, a 67 Tom Seaver. This was a SGC 4. I was stunned. I still am stunned. What a way to kick off the new year. 67 set in the books thanks to my friend Mike. ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 17:21:07 -0000 To: Glenn Codere ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... Sorry to burst your bubble, but actually, those were just random numbers..., If you look at my list, you'll see that my '62 Topps is far from being thatcomplete. As for the Greenies, I have one, which I am saving. Once I getthe set complete, I will think about greenies. I'm not much of a variation guy, I'd rather go after totally differemnt cards to fill gaps in the binders. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > 1962 Topps? Those Rookie Parades are tough . > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > ________________________________ > From: zackenback23 > To: Glenn Codere ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: > Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... > Glenn, > I really like changing my wantlist from this: > 140 525 585 590 592 593 596 > to this: > 525 585 590 592 593 596 > Mike > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > > > > From the Dept of things that only card collectors can understand: > > > > > > Short of completing a set, is there anything more satisfying than filling the last slot in a binder page? > > > > > > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > > ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 09:28:53 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... That's a shame. It just serves as an example however of the weird way that OBCers minds sometimes work. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: zackenback23 To: Glenn Codere ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 5:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... Sorry to burst your bubble, but actually, those were just random numbers..., If you look at my list, you'll see that my '62 Topps is far from being thatcomplete. As for the Greenies, I have one, which I am saving. Once I getthe set complete, I will think about greenies. I'm not much of a variation guy, I'd rather go after totally differemnt cards to fill gaps in the binders. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > 1962 Topps? Those Rookie Parades are tough . > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > ________________________________ > From: zackenback23 > To: Glenn Codere ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: > Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... > Glenn, > I really like changing my wantlist from this: > 140 525 585 590 592 593 596 > to this: > 525 585 590 592 593 596 > Mike > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > > > > From the Dept of things that only card collectors can understand: > > > > > > Short of completing a set, is there anything more satisfying than filling the last slot in a binder page? > > > > > > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > > ================= Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 10:44:37 -0700 To: tvalacak@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 67 Set Complete ================= To: jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:43:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... Well, maybe not the DARK side. But definitely the GREEN side! -----Original Message----- From: John To: directorth ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 10:40 am Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... I have a few of them and a list. Dont know if that constitutes the dark side. Sent from my HTC One SV ----- Reply message ----- From: directorth@aol.com To: Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... Date: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 9:47 AM Yesssss, yesssss, come to the dark side...... mwa ha ha ha... ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:35:33 +0000 (UTC) To: tvalacak , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 67 Set Complete i cannot imagine a more deserving OBCer , TJ!
Its a great great story to hear!
Amazing and refreshing to see the good graces people have even when the world seems so rotten sometimes!
OBC Forever..it's spreading ;)

Brian

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================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 16:45:10 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Bessette Subject: 1966 Topps complete Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for$10. A relative steal for a SP high number. I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beaters in there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the mostpart the set lives in the EX range. Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest byfar. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finished it, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:48:47 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete This is great. I make that 2 1966 sets (Rob and me), and a 1967 set (TJ) all completed within a few weeks of each other. Nice!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Rob Bessette To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:45 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for$10. A relative steal for a SP high number. I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beaters in there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the mostpart the set lives in the EX range. Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest byfar. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finished it, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:54:56 -0800 To: Glenn Codere From: Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete And I'm sitting on one card to go. Choo Choo Coleman # 561. Can't find one under $50 in any condition. Congrats Rob and Glenn on the 66 set and TJ on the 67 set. John Stamper On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Glenn Codere wrote: > This is great. I make that 2 1966 sets (Rob and me), and a 1967 set (TJ) all completed within a few weeks of each other. Nice!! > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: Rob Bessette > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:45 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete > Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for $10. A relative steal for a SP high number. > I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beatersin there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the most part the set lives in the EX range. > Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest by far. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. > I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finished it, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. > Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! > Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! > Rob ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 13:58:45 -0800 (PST) To: Stamper From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete Stand your ground, John. There'll be one out there for you. I got mine for $19.50 in July from a Beckett Marketplace dealer. I'd put it in EX condition Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Stamper To: Glenn Codere Cc: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete And I'm sitting on one card to go. Choo Choo Coleman # 561. Can't find one under $50 in any condition. Congrats Rob and Glenn on the 66 set and TJ on the 67 set. John Stamper On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Glenn Codere wrote: >This is great. I make that 2 1966 sets (Rob and me), and a 1967 set (TJ) all completed within a few weeks of each other. Nice!! >Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music >Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: Rob Bessette >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:45 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete >Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for $10. A relative steal for a SP high number. >I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beaters in there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the most part the set lives in the EX range. >Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest by far. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. >I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finishedit, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. >Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! >Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 17:06:13 -0500 To: Stamper From: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete Thanks all! I have to admit. A little luck didn't hurt in this quest. I was about 100 cards away from finishing with mainly high numbers left when My big dent came off an eBay purchase. A starter set of 450 cards in VGish shape. Some better, some worse. All the stars were taken out and the only big names were on LL cards. A badposting by the seller pictures a 800 count box with two to three commons pulled out as an example. Starting bid was $100. I emailed him and asked if he had any numbers over 522 and he listed Clake, Cards RC, Snyder, Jackson RC, Skowron, Coleman among others. Offered him $150 and he took it. Major score! Pulled the cards I needed and upgraded some rough ones. Turned around the rest and made a small profit. By far one of my biggest eBay steals. Those don't happen too often. > On Jan 7, 2014, at 4:54 PM, Stamper wrote: > And I'm sitting on one card to go. Choo Choo Coleman # 561. Can't find one under $50 in any condition. > Congrats Rob and Glenn on the 66 set and TJ on the 67 set. > John Stamper >> On Jan 7, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Glenn Codere wrote: >> This is great. I make that 2 1966 sets (Rob and me), and a 1967 set (TJ)all completed within a few weeks of each other. Nice!! >> Glenn >> Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music >> Glenn's Sports Collection WantList >> From: Rob Bessette >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:45 PM >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete >> Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for $10. A relative steal for a SP high number. >> I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beaters in there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the most part the set lives in the EX range. >> Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughestby far. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more valuethan the other 522 cards. >> I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finished it, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. >> Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! >> Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! >> Rob ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:10:08 -0500 (EST) To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... Content-Language: en Who taught you to me so mean LOL.... In a message dated 1/7/2014 9:13:58 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com writes: And speaking of the 1962 Topps set, Mike, have you ever felt inclined to work on the Greenies? _Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android_ (http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.srcAndroid) From: Glenn Codere ; To: zackenback23 ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Small pleasures..... Sent: Tue, Jan 7, 2014 2:07:40 PM 1962 Topps? Those Rookie Parades are tough . _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) From: zackenback23 To: Glenn Codere ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Small pleasures..... I really like changing my wantlist from this: 140 525 585 590 592 593 596 to this: 525 585 590 592 593 596 --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > From the Dept of things that only card collectors can understand: > Short of completing a set, is there anything more satisfying than filling the last slot in a binder page? > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:13:33 -0500 (EST) To: tvalacak@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 67 Set Complete Content-Language: en How cool is that! This means TJ can help me find one at the National this year ;-)... In a message dated 1/7/2014 11:33:35 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, tvalacak@comcast.net writes: Hey gang, I received quite the surprise on Saturday. As many of you know, I coach girls softball at the high school I teach at. We have a very good program, and are often playing deep into the playoffs. Even better, we have had great kids come through the program. One particular girl is now playing at the Charleston Southern University. She wanted to stop by and say hello on Saturday, before she hoped on a plane back for school. Now, I have to say, her father has been more than generous as I am going through my treatment. He has made numerous trips to visit me while in the hospital, and many times came with gifts. Sometimes for me, sometimes the family, sometimes the nurses. Just overely generous, but he keeps saying if it wasnt for the softball program, he would be paying college tuition. He is a great guy who enjoys collecting the newer game used stuff and autogrphs. Ok, so on Saturday, his daughter and I had a nice conversation, and before she left she handed me a gift "This is from my dad". I opened it up, and there it was,a 67 Tom Seaver. This was a SGC 4. I was stunned. I still am stunned. What a way to kick off the new year. 67 set in the books thanks to my friend ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:14:51 -0500 (EST) To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete Content-Language: en WTG guys! Two of the toughest high number sets take a dive! In a message dated 1/7/2014 4:48:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com writes: This is great. I make that 2 1966 sets (Rob and me), and a 1967 set (TJ) all completed within a few weeks of each other. Nice!! _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) From: Rob Bessette To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 7, 2014 9:45 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for $10. A relative steal for a SP high number. I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beaters in there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the most part the set lives in the EX range. Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest by far. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finished it, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! ================= Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 21:30:16 -0500 (EST) To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC vintage photo (1991) I love that picture! Scary part is I remember my Prodigy ID... BGSV06A... Boy have we come a long wayyyyy! ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 03:42:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: 2014 Goals This is one part of the year that is a lot of fun---Here are my 2014 goals: 2014 Collecting goals 1) Finish my Pirate vintage Bowman run (11 remaining) 2) Reduce my vintage Pirate Topps run to 10 (currently at 26) 3) Attend the 2014 National in Cleveland 4) Finish my 1972 Topps Football low numbers (need Staubach RC) and my 1971Topps Football (need Bradshaw RC) 5) Add 5 more '48 Bowman hits 6) Add 10 '53 Bowman Color hits 7) Add 20 '53 Bowman Black and White hits 8) Add 15 1964 Topps hits 9) Add 10 1957 Topps hits 10) Get one more vintage Pete Reiser item/card Number 11 will be to send an envelope to every OBC'er that has a wantlist--- I failed horribly at this last year-- I'm always amazed when guys send out the mass mailing to everyone---it's not as easy as it sounds! Going to my first non-Baltimore National looks like a reality as well---that one may be the most worthwhile goal I have!! Brian Betza ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 02:33:44 -0500 To: " OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 07:19:50 -0500 To: Ken M From: Rob Bessette Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps complete Awesome story, Ken. Interesting to hear that the highs went for more. I always suspected they would. Sounds like your dream box was a huge hit. It's always hard to justify spending that amount of money on cardboard, but when a deal like that comes up you can't turn it down. What shop in Boston was it? Is it still around? I live in Wilmington (literally around the corner from the Shriners show) and work in the city. > On Jan 8, 2014, at 2:33 AM, Ken M wrote: > <>Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest by far. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. <> > Rob, > I have two stories about this set, having the good fortune of completing it twice. I completed my first (nicer) 66 set a long time ago. The original set was sold at a Hall's Nostalgia auction in two lots. I won the lot with cards 1-522 and was bidding on the second lot of just the high numbers, but it did end up selling for more than the first lot that I won. I was young and pretty naive about it. I figured, "Ah, how hard could it be? I'll just get the last 76 individually." Of course, since the group I had was in nicer shape (and again being young and naive and also pre-OBC), I decided totry to get the higher numbers in nicer shape as well. Anyway, I couldn't even get a sniff of any high numbers, never mind ones in nicer shape, so a decade later there were still plenty left on my list. This was before eBay, so it involved visiting dozens of shops and plenty of shows. In hindsight, whoever did win that high number lot all those years ago got a great deal and saved themselves a ton of aggravation if they were collecting the set and not just flipping them to other aggravated collectors. > The second set attempt evolved quite by accident. I was visiting my favorite shop in Boston at the time and they were having a sale that amountedto 20% off just about everything in the store. Anyway, I'm looking throughboxes and come across this one filled with toploaders... maybe about 300 cards in all. I notice a post-it on the box and ask if that was the price onthe whole box. He said it was and that it was also 20% off. It still worked out to about a grand ($3/card) which is a lot of money, but I think I gotmy money's worth. In addition to having most of the high number run and stars from the 66 set (including Mantle, Clemente, Koufax and a bunch of others), most of the toploaders were decent examples of stars from the 50's and60's. There were a couple Ted's, another Mantle besides the 66, a couple more Koufax cards, four more Aarons and you get the idea... my "dream dupes box". Anyway, since I had most of the tough cards out of the way and most of what I now needed were commons and low numbers, a second 66 set was born.As a bonus (and to initiate some good old fashioned OBC trades) I considered what I had pulled out of the box pretty much justified the price I paid for it - and all the rest were throw-ins. I don't think there's more than adozen or two guys still in the group from back then, but I'd bet they might even remember a card or two that I sent them from that box. Oh yeah, the second time around collecting the set was nearly painless compared to the first since it was in lower grade and after Ron Kingsbury (literally) threw a box of low numbered commons at me, the set fell after only a year or two.Congrats on cometing your set and thanks for reading my trip down memory lane. > Ken M > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > Rob Bessette wrote: > Just finished off my 1966 Topps set with an eBay purchase of #551 in VG for $10. A relative steal for a SP high number. > I have been aggressively trying to wrap this set or over a year now upgrading cards as I poke away at high numbers. There are still a couple beatersin there (Mays, Tiger team, and Skowron being the big ones) but for the most part the set lives in the EX range. > Of all the post war sets I have completed this one has been the toughest by far. The 76 high numbers alone probably carry as much if not more value than the other 522 cards. > I have learned a ton about the set and while I'm relieved to have finished it, I'm a little sad to put it to bed. > Guess I need to start working on 67 to relive the pain of the high numbers! > Thanks to all in OBC land who contributed! > Rob > ------------------------------------ > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo Groups Links ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 12:12:28 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: card collection video I am getting a late start on my resolution from Jan1 2013 - video the collection; but an early start on my resolution from Jan 1 2014 - video the collection! Fortunately the house hasn't burned down in the meanwhile. Has anyone thought about doing this, or some other way to document your collection in case disaster strikes? This mainly for potential insurance purposes, though it could also be fun to look back in 5 years and see what the collection looks like compared to now. I am just getting starting and thanks for any tips/suggestions. Ed Pike ================= Date: 08 Jan 2014 09:38:19 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2014 goals ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 11:44:57 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: MarkZ Subject: Re: OBC vintage photo (1991) KWKX35A for me lol Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 13:54:35 -0500 To: Ed Pike , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] card collection video ================= Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 11:45:58 -0800 To: Ed Pike , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] card collection video I have had that same resolution for several years now . . . Dave Fallen On 1/8/2014 9:12 AM, Ed Pike wrote: > I am getting a late start on my resolution from Jan1 2013 - video the > collection; but an early start on my resolution from Jan 1 2014 - > video the collection! Fortunately the house hasn't burned down in the > meanwhile. > Has anyone thought about doing this, or some other way to document > your collection in case disaster strikes? This mainly for potential > insurance purposes, though it could also be fun to look back in 5 > years and see what the collection looks like compared to now. > I am just getting starting and thanks for any tips/suggestions. > Ed Pike ================= Date: 08 Jan 2014 12:16:17 -0800 To: From: Subject: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:22:13 -0500 (EST) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Content-Language: en I think the best way to solve who should be in the Hall of Fame is that every OBC member selects 2 players. We know what we are talking about. Any player can be kicked out with 5 OBC members voting them out. I select Juan Marichal and Mel Ott Randy Welk In a message dated 1/8/2014 12:16:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that?So that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. Whatif Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:23:01 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Or... maybe they should only get 3-5 votes maximum, thus giving them less incentive to "throw away" votes to those undeserving? ;) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 12:16:17 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as they want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no realreason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that? So that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying"yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one of 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero votes). So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. What if Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the voter? ================= To: , Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 12:33:46 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot The Hall of Fame lost its credibility with me some years ago........I prefer the Hall of Mediocrity. Only the guys that KNOW get to vote.......why, that would be US! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com Sent: January-08-14 12:16 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. Acase can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 votes). However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that? So that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one of 6players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero votes). So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. What if Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6986 - Release Date: 01/08/14 ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:41:03 -0500 To: "" From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot I have had the same thought. I gotta believe they are just throwing a boneto a hometown player or personal favorite. Heck, I would have been tempted to vote for Tony Oliva myself back in the day, but deep down I know he didn't quite measure up. Lets write a book about the psychology and tyranny of HOF voting! Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:16 PM, wrote: > Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving.A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 votes). > However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou;each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? > One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. > Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as they want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members,why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that? Sothat 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one of 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zerovotes). > So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statisticsfor a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards shouldbe is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. What if Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the voter? > Discuss! > Tom ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:19:09 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Content-Language: en Since baseball is so driven by statistics, I'd like to see a statistical analysis of the voting scheme as it stands today. I suspect the handful of votes cast for clearly undeserving players is not material (except, perhaps, in Biggio's case, if he fell 2 votes short). I would expect to find that the voting results are affected most by: 1. Newly eligible, clearly deserving candidates like Maddux, Glavine and Thomas "drain" votes from guys on the bubble (Biggio, Morris, Raines, etc.). Of course, this has always been a factor, and will happen in future years too, including next year. 2. The guys who are overwhelmingly thought of as cheaters (Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, Sosa & Palmiero) are also draining votes from "bubble" guys. Even though they probably will never be voted in (but, the Veterans Committees may do so), for 15 years, they will take votes away from others. At least Palmeiro is out of the picture now by virtue of getting less than 5% of the 3. Guys like Piazza and Bagwell, for whom the connection to PED's is somewhat weaker, will probably eventually get in, but it will take more years. In the meantime, they too take votes away from others by remaining on the ballot for more years. 4. The cumulative result of 1-3 above, is that it will be more difficult for good candidates like Biggio, Raines, Mussina, Kent, McGriff, Lee Smith, etc.to get in and, in fact, may never get elected. Maybe they should not get in on the merits, but we may find that some will not get in primarily as a consequence of the steroid era. Anyway, I believe the bar has been lowered in recent years (personally, I don't believe Puckett or Mazeroski would have gotten in but for the relaxed standard), so perhaps it is good that a guy like Morris with his 3.90 career ERA, did not get in. It's a shame that Baseball is unable or unwilling to release the names of all those who tested positive for drugs, and to declare those ineligible for the Hall. That's what I would do if I were the Commish! BR, In a message dated 1/8/2014 3:16:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that?So that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. Whatif Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 17:07:29 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot OK... I'll stir the pot some more... :) I totally agree that the bar has been lowered in recent years, but I'm totally against an outright, automatic "ban" on those who've used PEDs, since MLB was looking the other way during much of this time. It doesn't make sense on a number of levels and I ask these questions: A ) If you are banning because of cheating, should Perry and a few others who admitted to cheating be banned? B ) If you are banning because it was against the MLB rules, should Rose remain banned gambling? Or what about using greenies? C ) If you are banning because it was against the law, should Ruth be banned? D ) It seems Bonds and Clemens get bandied about as examples. But if they both were using, who really had the advantage? I'm not making excuses for the PED users (or anyone else). Just pointing out that we should be careful about looking at this through Rose-colored glasses (pun intended). To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com CC: wbs1973@aol.com From: bskp1@aol.com Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:19:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Since baseball is so driven by statistics, I'd like to see a statistical analysis of the voting scheme as it stands today. I suspect the handful of votes cast for clearly undeserving players is not material (except, perhaps, in Biggio's case, if he fell 2 votes I would expect to find that the voting results are affected most by: 1. Newly eligible, clearly deserving candidates like Maddux, Glavine and Thomas "drain" votes from guys on the bubble (Biggio, Morris, Raines, etc.). course, this has always been a factor, and will happen in future years too, including next year. 2. The guys who are overwhelmingly thought of as cheaters (Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, Sosa & Palmiero) are also draining votes from "bubble" guys. Even though they probably will never be voted in (but, the Veterans Committees may so), for 15 years, they will take votes away from others. At least Palmeiro is out of the picture now by virtue of getting less than 5% of the vote. 3. Guys like Piazza and Bagwell, for whom the connection to PED's is somewhat weaker, will probably eventually get in, but it will take more years. In the meantime, they too take votes away from others by remaining on ballot for more years. 4. The cumulative result of 1-3 above, is that it will be more difficult for good candidates like Biggio, Raines, Mussina, Kent, McGriff, Lee Smith, etc.to get in and, in fact, may never get elected. Maybe they should not get on the merits, but we may find that some will not get in primarily as a consequence of the steroid era. Anyway, I believe the bar has been lowered in recent years (personally, I don't believe Puckett or Mazeroski would have gotten in but for the relaxed standard), so perhaps it is good that a guy like Morris with his 3.90 career ERA, did not get in. It's a shame that Baseball is unable or unwilling to release the names of all those who tested positive for drugs, and to declare those ineligible for That's what I would do if I were the Commish! BR, In a message dated 1/8/2014 3:16:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missingout by 2 votes). However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that? So that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try impress his friends by saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one of 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero votes). So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly NOT HOF-worthy. What if Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? ================= Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 19:58:26 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, rjsfgmv@aol.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot We'd never elect anybody after 1980. ---- rjsfgmv@aol.com wrote: > I think the best way to solve who should be in the Hall of Fame is that > every OBC member selects 2 players. > We know what we are talking about. > Any player can be kicked out with 5 OBC members voting them out. > I select Juan Marichal and Mel Ott > Randy Welk > In a message dated 1/8/2014 12:16:20 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > directorth@aol.com writes: > Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. > A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 > votes). > However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF > material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny > Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; > each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? > One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a > BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the > hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so > clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus > threw away their vote. > Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen > some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many > candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, > why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no > real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that? So > that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by > saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one of > 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero > votes). > So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics > for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired > for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should > be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys > getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. What if > Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque > Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? > Discuss! > Tom ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:40:56 +0000 (UTC) To: rjsfgmv , OBC-Ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot hi Randy, Seems like those are two odd choices to remove?? Marichal and Ott are not on many lists that debate HOF worthiness...both were dominant in the leagues at the time they played. What I am thinking is that you want them out for a couple years so might acquire more of their cards and memorabilia at "common" prices;) Then put them back in !! I'm thinking that some guys like Jess Haines and George Kelly are "debatable" HoFers but I suppose I only have their stats to judge them by. Todays fans have 24 hour access to the player information, highlights and games so their opinions *could* be based on more than just numbers. I think using just stats can be misleading since 63.73% of all statistics are made up on the spot ;) I have had a lifelong obsession with the Baseball Hall of Fame but agree with others that its a mess. Maybe it always was, and we didn't know. Baseball writers are taking their voting privileges to the extreme and trying to judge players in some sort of ways that blend politics/personal beliefs/popular opinion and culture and then maybe lastly, baseball. I am pretty certain that this was not the original vision behind a museum to honor baseball best players for posterity. While it's inevitable that we have to deal with the culture change afforded to us by the Information Age, it's damaged my naive, simple view of what a baseball HoF player ought to be. Lucky for me, even though I am a HoF collector, I still can make my own rules on what I collect and I can lessen my dependency on those sanctimonious voters to choose our Hall of Famers for us. My collection is titled "familytoad's HoF collection" not BBWA's collection ;) http://www.sgccardregistry.com/set.aspx?cat=6&set=463&userset=0 OBC Forever! Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App on my iPAD ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 8:26:15 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot I think I'll put my two cents in on the HOF voting. First, I'll come right out and say that, in my opinion, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, etc should never get in. While I agree that Bonds and Clemens probably would have been HOFers without steroids, to me, that is irrelevant. How many of you, while back in school, if you have cheated on a test and were caught, would have had the teacher say "well, you got the first 7 right on your own, but only cheated on the last 3, so you still get a 70". Any teacher or nun that I had would have only done one thing--ripped it up, given me a zero, and made life real interesting for me when my parents had to sign the note as to why I got a zero. I know, we'll never know how many cheated, but that doesn't mean you ignore the ones you are sure of, and if anyone things Bonds and Clemens didn't, then please contact me on some bottomland I have for sale. As to the other whining that really upsets me (yes, you Jason Stark), "10 spots aren't enough". It's not supposed to be easy to get in--it is only for the very best. If you aren't in the top 10 of eligible players, then you aren't the very best--just the very good (sorry Jack Morris). Besides, they keep resurrecting the "veteran's committee" under different names to vote in the not so great, especially if they were nice guys and have buddies on the panel. The only reason I might like to see Bonds or Clemens get in would be to see if they could possibly be embarrassed when no living HOFers show up at their induction ceremony. But, I don't if they would be embarrassed. ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 16:09:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot How about if we create an OBC Baseball Card Hall of Fame? Simple Rules 1. Card must be produced 1980 or before 2. Each January, all then-current OBC members may cast up to 5 votes 3. Any card receiving 75% of the ballots cast wins election to the OBCBBCHOF (Old Baseball Cards Baseball Card Hall of Fame) Our web guru's could set up a page that depicts the card (preferably in Tipton Mint Condition), along with its' year of election and percentage of votes Mike Mroz p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese 3. T206 Honus Wagner 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:40:22 -0500 To: zackenback23 From: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot I love the concept and am already thinking of what cards to nominate! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:09 AM, "zackenback23" wrote: > How about if we create an OBC Baseball Card Hall of Fame? > Simple Rules > 1. Card must be produced 1980 or before > 2. Each January, all then-current OBC members may cast up to 5 votes > 3. Any card receiving 75% of the ballots cast wins election to the OBCBBCHOF (Old Baseball Cards Baseball Card Hall of Fame) > Our web guru's could set up a page that depicts the card (preferably in Tipton Mint Condition), along with its' year of election and percentage of votes > Thoughts? > Mike Mroz > p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. > btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: > 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle > 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese > 3. T206 Honus Wagner > 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente > 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:10:29 -0600 To: Doug DeJong From: "ricktopps@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Interesting concept. I'm immediately debating whether a 1966 Choo Choo Coleman or Grant Jackson is worthy of such a hall of fame. If it's about the baseball card and not the player then why not? Probably not first ballot hall of famers like the 52 mantle but worthy of consideration at some later time Rick Johnson Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Doug DeJong wrote: > I love the concept and am already thinking of what cards to nominate! > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:09 AM, "zackenback23" wrote: >> How about if we create an OBC Baseball Card Hall of Fame? >> Simple Rules >> 1. Card must be produced 1980 or before >> 2. Each January, all then-current OBC members may cast up to 5 votes >> 3. Any card receiving 75% of the ballots cast wins election to the OBCBBCHOF (Old Baseball Cards Baseball Card Hall of Fame) >> Our web guru's could set up a page that depicts the card (preferably in Tipton Mint Condition), along with its' year of election and percentage of votes >> Thoughts? >> Mike Mroz >> p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. >> btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: >> 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle >> 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese >> 3. T206 Honus Wagner >> 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente >> 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 11:27:50 -0600 To: Taylor Schock , From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot There are, according to some current and past baseball players, players in the HOF that did use steroids or other PEDs at one time or another. I believe this, knowing that steroids were produced since the 30's and people are people. There are, according to stories and interviews from ballplayers, writers and other witnesses, players in the HOF that gambled on and threw games. There are racists, wife beaters, thieves and even murderers as well as players with many other character flaws in the HOF. There are ex-baseball writers that cast ballots in the HOF voting that haven't watched a game in up to 20 years while announcers, analysts, sportscasters, officials and others that see games every day and report on them, analyze them and research the history of them, are denied a vote. Many of the voters do absolutely no research and many submit blank ballots or protest ballots that affect the final vote percentages. Why do people like Vin Skully, Bill James, Keith Obermann and many other experts on the game, not get a vote while a guy that thinks Jack Morris is the only player that deserves to go to the HOF get one? Why does Frank Thomas, (and probably Ken Griffey), get a nod as a non-steroid user when Biggio and Bagwell are tainted because they played with known user Camineti although their is no evidence against them? Piazza had acne on his back. Must be a user. Thomas says steroids are bad and he never used, (oops, so did Palmeiro). The point is, people can't make judgements without facts, they will inevitably be wrong sometimes. It is best to judge a ball player on what he did on the field where the facts are known. Deduct credit in the equation of their career when facts of advantages are known, (smaller ballparks, tighter balls, steroids, black ballplayers, etc.), and add to the equation when they are known to be harmful to a career, (military service, premature death or injury, game changing ideas, innovations or acts, etc.) and get the right people to do this choosing. There, I've kept that pot stirred. Greg (yaz) On 1/8/2014 4:07 PM, Taylor Schock wrote: > OK... I'll stir the pot some more... :) > I totally agree that the bar has been lowered in recent years, but I'm > totally against an outright, automatic "ban" on those who've used > PEDs, since MLB was looking the other way during much of this time. It > doesn't make sense on a number of levels and I ask these questions: > A ) If you are banning because of cheating, should Perry and a few > others who admitted to cheating be banned? > B ) If you are banning because it was against the MLB rules, should > Rose remain banned gambling? Or what about using greenies? > C ) If you are banning because it was against the law, should Ruth be > banned? > D ) It seems Bonds and Clemens get bandied about as examples. But if > they both were using, who really had the advantage? > I'm not making excuses for the PED users (or anyone else). Just > pointing out that we should be careful about looking at this through > Rose-colored glasses (pun intended). > Regards, > Taylor > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > CC: wbs1973@aol.com > From: bskp1@aol.com > Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:19:09 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot > Since baseball is so driven by statistics, I'd like to see a > statistical analysis of the voting scheme as it stands today. > I suspect the handful of votes cast for clearly undeserving players is > not material (except, perhaps, in Biggio's case, if he fell 2 votes > short). > I would expect to find that the voting results are affected most by: > 1. Newly eligible, clearly deserving candidates like Maddux, Glavine > and Thomas "drain" votes from guys on the bubble (Biggio, Morris, > Raines, etc.). Of course, this has always been a factor, and will > happen in future years too, including next year. > 2. The guys who are overwhelmingly thought of as cheaters (Bonds, > Clemens, McGuire, Sosa & Palmiero) are also draining votes from > "bubble" guys. Even though they probably will never be voted in (but, > the Veterans Committees may do so), for 15 years, they will take votes > away from others. At least Palmeiro is out of the picture now by > virtue of getting less than 5% of the vote. > 3. Guys like Piazza and Bagwell, for whom the connection to PED's > is somewhat weaker, will probably eventually get in, but it will take > more years. In the meantime, they too take votes away from others by > remaining on the ballot for more years. > 4. The cumulative result of 1-3 above, is that it will be more > difficult for good candidates like Biggio, Raines, Mussina, Kent, > McGriff, Lee Smith, etc.to get in and, in fact, may never get elected. > Maybe they should not get in on the merits, but we may find that some > will not get in primarily as a consequence of the steroid era. > Anyway, I believe the bar has been lowered in recent years > (personally, I don't believe Puckett or Mazeroski would have gotten in > but for the relaxed standard), so perhaps it is good that a guy like > Morris with his 3.90 career ERA, did not get in. > It's a shame that Baseball is unable or unwilling to release the names > of all those who tested positive for drugs, and to declare those > ineligible for the Hall. > That's what I would do if I were the Commish! BR, > Chuck > In a message dated 1/8/2014 3:16:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > directorth@aol.com writes: > Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All > deserving. A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, > missing out by 2 votes). > However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly > not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, > Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis > Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between > 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? > One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) > 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or > played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the > BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a > clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. > Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've > seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to > allow for as many candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't > vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to > include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on > the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that? So that 20 years > from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying > "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was > one of 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and > thus received zero votes). > So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of > statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. > Just being retired for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. > Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of > worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or > votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. What if Biggio truly > deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones > and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? > Discuss! > Tom ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 13:30:44 -0500 (EST) To: ricktopps@aol.com, ddejong17@gmail.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Content-Language: en didn't read all post but 1953 Bowmans of either Pee Wee Reese dliding over a base runner (My understanding of first action card-- I nly collect Topps and in this case birth year set) or the black background of Stan Musial. In a message dated 1/9/2014 11:10:42 A.M. Central Standard Time, ricktopps@aol.com writes: Interesting concept. I'm immediately debating whether a 1966 Choo Choo Coleman or Grant Jackson is worthy of such a hall of fame. If it's about the baseball card and not the player then why not? Probably not first ballot hall of famers like the 52 mantle but worthy of consideration at some later Rick Johnson Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Doug DeJong <_ddejong17@gmail.com_ (mailto:ddejong17@gmail.com) > wrote: I love the concept and am already thinking of what cards to nominate! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:09 AM, "zackenback23" <_mfmroz@prodigy.net_ (mailto:mfmroz@prodigy.net) > wrote: How about if we create an OBC Baseball Card Hall of Fame? Simple Rules 1. Card must be produced 1980 or before 2. Each January, all then-current OBC members may cast up to 5 votes 3. Any card receiving 75% of the ballots cast wins election to the OBCBBCHOF (Old Baseball Cards Baseball Card Hall of Fame) Our web guru's could set up a page that depicts the card (preferably in Tipton Mint Condition), along with its' year of election and percentage of votes received. Mike Mroz p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese 3. T206 Honus Wagner 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 13:35:58 -0500 (EST) To: yazobc@insightbb.com, taylor_schock@hotmail.com, From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Content-Language: en You for got one categorie writers who wont vote for any player who wasn't nice to him. I call it the Barry Bonds rule. I know he a few other transgression but these were writers who wernt voting for him before steriods were an issue/ In a message dated 1/9/2014 11:27:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, yazobc@insightbb.com writes: There are, according to some current and past baseball players, players in the HOF that did use steroids or other PEDs at one time or another. I believe this, knowing that steroids were produced since the 30's and people There are, according to stories and interviews from ballplayers, writers and other witnesses, players in the HOF that gambled on and threw games. There are racists, wife beaters, thieves and even murderers as well as players with many other character flaws in the HOF. There are ex-baseball writers that cast ballots in the HOF voting that haven't watched a game in up to 20 years while announcers, analysts, sportscasters, officials and others that see games every day and report on them, analyze them and research the history of them, are denied a vote. Many of the voters do absolutely no research and many submit blank ballots or protest ballots that affect the final vote percentages. Why do people like Vin Skully, Bill James, Keith Obermann and many other experts on the game, not get vote while a guy that thinks Jack Morris is the only player that deserves to go to the HOF get one? Why does Frank Thomas, (and probably Ken Griffey), get a nod as a non-steroid user when Biggio and Bagwell are tainted because they played with user Camineti although their is no evidence against them? Piazza had acne on his back. Must be a user. Thomas says steroids are bad and he never used, (oops, so did Palmeiro). The point is, people can't make judgements without facts, they will inevitably be wrong sometimes. It is best to judge a ball player on what he on the field where the facts are known. Deduct credit in the equation of their career when facts of advantages are known, (smaller ballparks, tighter balls, steroids, black ballplayers, etc.), and add to the equation when they are known to be harmful to a career, (military service, premature death or injury, game changing ideas, innovations or acts, etc.) and get the right people to do this choosing. There, I've kept that pot stirred. Greg (yaz) On 1/8/2014 4:07 PM, Taylor Schock wrote: OK... I'll stir the pot some more... :) I totally agree that the bar has been lowered in recent years, but I'm totally against an outright, automatic "ban" on those who've used PEDs, since MLB was looking the other way during much of this time. It doesn't make sense on a number of levels and I ask these questions: A ) If you are banning because of cheating, should Perry and a few others who admitted to cheating be banned? B ) If you are banning because it was against the MLB rules, should Rose remain banned gambling? Or what about using greenies? C ) If you are banning because it was against the law, should Ruth be D ) It seems Bonds and Clemens get bandied about as examples. But if they both were using, who really had the advantage? I'm not making excuses for the PED users (or anyone else). Just pointing out that we should be careful about looking at this through Rose-colored glasses (pun intended). To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) CC: _wbs1973@aol.com_ (mailto:wbs1973@aol.com) From: _bskp1@aol.com_ (mailto:bskp1@aol.com) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:19:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Since baseball is so driven by statistics, I'd like to see a statistical analysis of the voting scheme as it stands today. I suspect the handful of votes cast for clearly undeserving players is not material (except, perhaps, in Biggio's case, if he fell 2 votes short). I would expect to find that the voting results are affected most by: 1. Newly eligible, clearly deserving candidates like Maddux, Glavine and Thomas "drain" votes from guys on the bubble (Biggio, Morris, Raines, etc.). Of course, this has always been a factor, and will happen in future years too, including next year. 2. The guys who are overwhelmingly thought of as cheaters (Bonds, Clemens, McGuire, Sosa & Palmiero) are also draining votes from "bubble" guys. Even though they probably will never be voted in (but, the Veterans Committees may do so), for 15 years, they will take votes away from others. At least Palmeiro is out of the picture now by virtue of getting less than 5% of the 3. Guys like Piazza and Bagwell, for whom the connection to PED's is somewhat weaker, will probably eventually get in, but it will take more years. In the meantime, they too take votes away from others by remaining on the ballot for more years. 4. The cumulative result of 1-3 above, is that it will be more difficult for good candidates like Biggio, Raines, Mussina, Kent, McGriff, Lee Smith, etc.to get in and, in fact, may never get elected. Maybe they should not get in on the merits, but we may find that some will not get in primarily as a consequence of the steroid era. Anyway, I believe the bar has been lowered in recent years (personally, I don't believe Puckett or Mazeroski would have gotten in but for the relaxed standard), so perhaps it is good that a guy like Morris with his 3.90 career ERA, did not get in. It's a shame that Baseball is unable or unwilling to release the names of all those who tested positive for drugs, and to declare those ineligible for the Hall. That's what I would do if I were the Commish! BR, In a message dated 1/8/2014 3:16:20 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _directorth@aol.com_ (mailto:directorth@aol.com) writes: Maddux, Glavine & F. Thomas were elected to the HOF today. All deserving. A case can be made for Biggio (I feel bad for the guy, missing out by 2 However, here's my beef: players who get HOF votes who are clearly not HOF material. I'm talking about players like Eric Gagne, Jacque Jones, Kenny Rogers, Armando Benitez, JT Snow, Luis Gonzalez, Hideo Nomo, & Moises Alou; each of them received between 1 & 6 votes for the HOF. Really?? One of two things happened for these guys to get a vote (or votes) 1) a BBWA member threw them a bone b/c they were nice guys, or played for the hometown team, and thus wasted a vote, or 2) the BBWA voter(s) is/are so clueless that they unknowingly voted for a clearly undeserving player and thus threw away their vote. Each eligible BBWA voter gets to vote for 10 players maximum. I've seen some writers say the 10-player maximum should be changed to allow for as many candidates as th ey want to. Why? If you can't vote for 10 worthy members, why should you have a choice to include votes for MORE guys who have no real reason for being on the ballot Why waste a vote on someone like that?So that 20 years from now, Paul Loduca can try to impress his friends by saying "yeah, I had people vote for me for the HIOF."? (BTW, LoDuca was one 6 players who apparently have no friends on the BBWA and thus received zero So, my proposal is this: there should be a minimum standard of statistics for a former player to be eligible to receive a vote. Just being retired for 5 years shouldn't be the sole standard. Now, what those standards should be is a whole 'nother can of worms, but I get tired every year of guys getting a token vote (or votes) when they clearly are NOT HOF-worthy. Whatif Biggio truly deserves to be in - and his missing two votes went to Jacque Jones and Eric Gagne? What does that say about the integrity of the vote r? ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 09:47:45 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: MarkZ Subject: Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot I love this discussion every year, the debates are fun to me. I am ok with the process as is..and it is ok to have 'errors' or disagreements at the bottom part of the ballot, but since it takes 75 percent to get in, it works overall Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:19:02 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Fwd: OBC Hi guys, My baseball & card blogging friend Mark Aubrey is considering joining OBC and informally seeking another sponsor besides me. Just in case, anyone already traded with him or familiar enough with his blog writing to step up? Links to his stuff below. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Mark Aubrey Date: Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 11:07 PM Subject: OBC http://oldknoxvillebaseball.blogspot.com/ http://marksephemera.blogspot.com/ http://baseballnuggets.blogspot.com/ http://northcountrybaseball.blogspot.com/ http://markaubrey.org/ ================= Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:30:09 -0800 To: "ricktopps@aol.com" From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Maybe we could create an inner circle of hell for the 66 Grant Jackson (or for the guy hoarding them)....64 Curt Flood could come and visit too. Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2014, at 9:10 AM, "ricktopps@aol.com" wrote: > Interesting concept. I'm immediately debating whether a 1966 Choo Choo Coleman or Grant Jackson is worthy of such a hall of fame. If it's about the baseball card and not the player then why not? Probably not first ballothall of famers like the 52 mantle but worthy of consideration at some later > Rick Johnson > Sent from my iPhone >> On Jan 9, 2014, at 10:40 AM, Doug DeJong wrote: >> I love the concept and am already thinking of what cards to nominate! >> Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:09 AM, "zackenback23" wrote: >>> How about if we create an OBC Baseball Card Hall of Fame? >>> Simple Rules >>> 1. Card must be produced 1980 or before >>> 2. Each January, all then-current OBC members may cast up to 5 votes >>> 3. Any card receiving 75% of the ballots cast wins election to the OBCBBCHOF (Old Baseball Cards Baseball Card Hall of Fame) >>> Our web guru's could set up a page that depicts the card (preferably inTipton Mint Condition), along with its' year of election and percentage ofvotes >>> Thoughts? >>> Mike Mroz >>> p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. >>> btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: >>> 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle >>> 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese >>> 3. T206 Honus Wagner >>> 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente >>> 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= To: , Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:08:46 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot 4 clear no-brainers, but, why the '67 Clemente? I owned that card as a kid... there something I don't know about it because I haven't tried to track one down? Mike Mroz p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese 3. T206 Honus Wagner 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= To: richard dingman Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 23:57:00 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Are we voting for the player or the card? CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: mfmroz@prodigy.net From: ddejong17@gmail.com Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 11:40:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot I love the concept and am already thinking of what cards to nominate! Sent from my iPhone On Jan 9, 2014, at 11:09 AM, "zackenback23" wrote: How about if we create an OBC Baseball Card Hall of Fame? Simple Rules 1. Card must be produced 1980 or before 2. Each January, all then-current OBC members may cast up to 5 votes 3. Any card receiving 75% of the ballots cast wins election to the OBCBBCHOF (Old Baseball Cards Baseball Card Hall of Fame) Our web guru's could set up a page that depicts the card (preferably in Tipton Mint Condition), along with its' year of election and percentage of votes Mike Mroz p.s. I will volunteer to become the coordinator, if anyone is interested. btw, my unofficial first year ballot would be: 1. 1952 Topps Mickey Mantle 2. 1953 Bowman Color Pee Wee Reese 3. T206 Honus Wagner 4. 1967 Topps Roberto Clemente 5. 1933 Goudey Nap Lajoie ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 00:30:22 -0500 To: richard dingman From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 05:36:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Bessette Subject: Anyone ever seen this? Keeping it classy at the ballpark... Classic Pics (@ClassicPixs) 1/10/14, 3:06 AM First known photograph of the finger: Baseball pitcher Old Hoss Radbournpictured giving the finger to cameraman, 1886 pic.twitter.com/FIUkTcQ0tP Download the official Twitter app here ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 02:47:01 -0800 (PST) To: Rob Bessette , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone ever seen this? If you haven't read "Fifty-Nine in '84" by Edward Achorn, you really shoulddo so. A great account of Radbourn's amazing 1884 season. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Rob Bessette To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone ever seen this? Keeping it classy at the ballpark... Classic Pics (@ClassicPixs) 1/10/14, 3:06 AM First known photograph of the finger: Baseball pitcherOld Hoss Radbournpictured giving the finger to cameraman, 1886 pic.twitter.com/FIUkTcQ0tP Download the official Twitter app here ================= To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, robsbessette@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:47:19 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone ever seen this? Old Hoss was known for doing this...in fact, most pre-war collectors know about his Old Judge card where he is giving the finger as well and it actually commands a bit of a premium. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere To: Rob Bessette ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 10, 2014 2:47 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone ever seen this? If you haven't read "Fifty-Nine in '84" by Edward Achorn, you really shoulddo so. A great account of Radbourn's amazing 1884 season. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Rob Bessette To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 10:36 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone ever seen this? Keeping it classy at the ballpark... Classic Pics (@ClassicPixs) 1/10/14, 3:06 AM First known photograph of the finger: Baseball pitcher Old Hoss Radbournpictured giving the finger to cameraman, 1886 pic.twitter.com/FIUkTcQ0tP Download the official Twitter app here ================= To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:38:35 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Forth Worth Tx Will be spending some time in Fort Worth Texas next week, and maybe later in the month. Any recommendation for card shops in the area? ================= To: Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 08:25:54 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Nomination thoughts - 1933 Goudey Ruth - but which one of the four? 1954 Topps Ted Williams, but which one? Or maybe it should be the 1954 T206 Wagner - has to be in there but in OBC condition, which would probably mean a beat-up, obvious reprint I think it will be selective in that it will be hard to get 75% of the votes for one card. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:31:40 -0700 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:07:01 -0700 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 09:07:24 -0800 To: "" From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot > Here is my top 10, in no particular order: 1. Gus Zernial - 52 Topps 2. Oscar Gamble - 76 Topps Traded (a nod to my HOM'er) 3. Pee Wee Reese - 53 Color Bowman 4. Mickey Mantle - 52 Topps 5. Etal / Pepper Martin #80 - 60 Fleer 6. Ty Cobb - T3 7. Chief Bender - T227 8. Honus Wagner - T206 9. Jackie Robinson - 1954 Topps 10. Reggie Jackson - 1978 Topps Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 11:26:34 -0800 (PST) To: Erik & Leticia Greenwood , From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Can I second a few nominations, and add a couple of my own. I second 1933 Ruth swinging a bat in the field, 52 T Zernial and Mantle, 53B Reese, 76 Traded Gamble, 78 Jackson. I would add: 1) Diamond Stars Gus Suhr 2) 1956 T Mickey Mantle 3) 1966 T Claude Raymond (with his fly open) 4) 1967 T Seaver 5) 1971 T Brooks Robinson World Series card (where he looks like he is searching for water in the desert) 6) 1972 T Billy Martin In-Action (arguing with an umpire) 7) 1978 T Greg Minton (worst airbrush job ever) Ed Watts On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:07 AM, Erik & Leticia Greenwood Here is my top 10, in no particular order: 1. Gus Zernial - 52 Topps 2. Oscar Gamble - 76 Topps Traded (a nod to my HOM'er) 3. Pee Wee Reese - 53 Color Bowman 4. Mickey Mantle - 52 Topps 5. Etal / Pepper Martin #80 - 60 Fleer 6. Ty Cobb - T3 7. Chief Bender - T227 8. Honus Wagner - T206 9. Jackie Robinson - 1954 Topps 10. Reggie Jackson - 1978 Topps Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:57:50 -0700 To: Erik & Leticia Greenwood , From: illini_grad_90 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:59:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Wow, you guys have come back fast and furious - I guess I didn't quite knowwhat I was starting. I did send a request to OBCAC asking for permission to run an annual Card HOF vote and induction. Hopefully, if approved, our web guys can help make it happen. Who better to decide on the Baseball Card Greats than OBCer's, right? Maybe I can amend the rules slightly and accept nominations each year, thenconduct a vote of all cards nominated? I will see where I can take this. You guys have come up with some great cards!!! Mike Mroz ================= Date: 10 Jan 2014 14:52:21 -0800 To: From: Subject: Waiver Wire ================= Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:32:19 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Orioles media guides O's fans should be excited about this. They've put the last 60 years of media guides online now for download. http://baltimore.orioles.mlb.com/bal/fan_forum/60_anniversary_mediaguides.jsp Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: 10 Jan 2014 18:08:22 -0800 To: From: Subject: Burger King Waiver Wire ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:05:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: counterfeit T206 cards I am buying more T cards and need some help. I have a cheap magnifying glass that I use, mostly to help me read numbers on the backs of cards. I have seen collectors using jewelers loupes at shows. What do you look for to determine if a T206 is real, or just a reprint scuffed up to look old? With a loupe can you see something in the printing process? Do I need a loupe and what kind or power of a loupe would I need? ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:07:55 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: OBC Subject: Incoming to SC Thanks go out for a few recent packages- Ed Pike sends a 1975 Topps ThurmanMunson. Not content to just send a card, Ed pumps up the envelope with a cool Willie Stargell stamp. Thanks a ton Ed! Randy Welk sends hits to the 1966 Topps set and the 1969 Topps Deckle Edge set. Thanks a ton Randy! New OBCer Rob Bessette sends a DCP hit to the 1966 Topps set. Thanks a ton Rob!Thanks Jimmy "Catfish" Parker...Save the gum for me! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:22:07 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame Card voting - stirring the pot This somewhat reminds me of when we decided to come up with a set of OBC cards (of OBCers) about 8? years ago. We were trying to determine which design to use. We finally settled on 2 sets, the 55 Bowman and I still do not understand why, 65 Topps. My not understanding how that was chosen as the 2nd option shows the differences in opinion when anything is voted on. I find it amusing the number of nominated cards of HOFers. It is why we wouldneed selection criteria. As has been asked are we voting for the card or the player. If for the card, there should be a couple of easy first ballotnear unanimous selections in the 52 Topps Zernial and the 53 Bowman Reese.We would also need pictures with the ballot for those, who as educated about cards we assume all OBCers are, do not know the cards. I do not know the Obak, Wilson Meat or Cracker Jack nominations, at least, myself. Scarcity/value would likely account for the T-206 Wagner and 33 Lajoie nominations, and the 60 Fleer Martin. This might possibly include the 52 Mantle and 33 Goudey Ruth. Cards that many of us struggled to obtain, 66 Topps Jackson/Shirley rookie card, 67 OPC BB Stargell, 52 Topps Mantle (there is that card again), 54 Bowman Williams, 60 Fleer Martin (do any of us actually have this card???), etc., would likely receive lots of votes. HOMers would get votes, although the Gamble fro cards may attract votes regardless. I have frequently been asked by non-collectors what the fav card is in my collection. Sometimes I have fun by talking about the, not 1, but 2 original not reprint T-206 Wagners I have.. For those in the group who are not asup to date on the T-206 set, there are 2 cards of Heinie Wagner of Boston in the T-206 set. So 1 or both of those may get a vote from me. Variationcards, have a special allure for many of us, although the 89 Fleer FF cardwould not qualify due to the UV era. I think there would have to be at least 1 62 Topps greenie in the HOC (Hall of Cards). Another likely candidate would be a 74 Washington Nationals. Oddities such as the 69 Topps Aurelio Rodriguez (actual photo of the Angels batboy if I recall). Some of the most beautiful cards ever issued, IMHO, are the Red Man cards, although the caricature photos of blacks are racist. Set design might get some votes for T-201 & T202, as well as 55 Topps Doubleheaders. Kellogg's 3-D issues. Some of you may know a number of years ago, I was asked to fill a showcase for a local historical museum for a few months with baseball cards/memorabilia. Almost all of the showcases were from stores and were filled with 50sHOF superstars, Mantle, Mays, Aaron, Clemente and Koufax were everywhere, as well as Kaline, since this was in the Detroit area. I filled my case with obscure issues (Imagine that. I had oddball items to display). These included from Coke caps, Japanese cards, Venezuelans, Post, Jell-O, Hostess,Dairy Isle, Kellogg's, Milk Bone (yes UV), Doubleheaders, Double Play, T-206, etc. I tried to present items the general public may not have seen before. I hung out at the museum a couple of times while the items were on display to hear comments of visitors. Comments such as I wish I had that or I had that as a kid were prevalent on other showcases. Comments of my showcase were, "What is that? That is neat. Where did these come from?" Thisbegs the question, and comes back tot he initial discussion, Who and what is the HOF for? It is called the Hall of FAME, not Hall of the BEST. Big distinction. This is way more than I intended to muse, other than a HOC would be a fun project. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1 To: theophylact2000 ; elhegreenwood ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 10, 2014 3:00 pm Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Maybe we all provide nominations--place them all on a ballet and then vote my nominations in no particular order: 1952 Topps Gus Zernial, 1954 Wilson Franks Ted Williams, 1954 Red Heart Mickey Mantle, 1965 Masanori Murakami rookie, T206 Walter Johnson portrait, 1914 Cracker Jack Mathewson, Obak Ten Million, 1971 Topps Thurman Munson, 1959 Topps Bob Gibson, 1968 Super Stars--Mantle, Mays and Killebrew On 01/10/14, Edward Watts wrote: Can I second a few nominations, and add a couple of my own. I second 1933 Ruth swinging a bat in the field, 52 T Zernial and Mantle, 53B Reese, 76 Traded Gamble, 78 Jackson. I would add: 1) Diamond Stars Gus Suhr 2) 1956 T Mickey Mantle 3) 1966 T Claude Raymond (with his fly open) 4) 1967 T Seaver 5) 1971 T Brooks Robinson World Series card (where he looks like he is searching for water in the desert) 6) 1972 T Billy Martin In-Action (arguing with an umpire) 7) 1978 T Greg Minton (worst airbrush job ever) Ed Watts On Friday, January 10, 2014 9:07 AM, Erik & Leticia Greenwood Here is my top 10, in no particular order: 1. Gus Zernial - 52 Topps 2. Oscar Gamble - 76 Topps Traded (a nod to my HOM'er) 3. Pee Wee Reese - 53 Color Bowman 4. Mickey Mantle - 52 Topps 5. Etal / Pepper Martin #80 - 60 Fleer 6. Ty Cobb - T3 7. Chief Bender - T227 8. Honus Wagner - T206 9. Jackie Robinson - 1954 Topps 10. Reggie Jackson - 1978 Topps Erik Greenwood ================= To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:32:15 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] for the Phillies fan--51 Berk Ross Great price if I needed them. He also has a 51 Bowman Hi # and 50 Bowman low # for $.99 and even a 50 Bowman w/o copyright variation for $.99. Postage is even reasonable. Nothing I need except for his pricey 68 Topps FB team card test issue, that I am passing on as too much. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 8:14 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] for the Phillies fan--51 Berk Ross This seller has three 51 Berk Ross Phillies cards Heintzleman, Konstanty and Sisler--each at a BIN of .99. Each one has small bits of paper loss on the pretty good deal http://www.ebay.com/itm/1951-Berk-Ross-3-8-Dick-Sisler-/191031477069?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem2c7a5d034d ================= To: "'zackenback23'" , Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:32:20 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Good work Mike. My only suggestion is that the person nominating the card should have the card and be able to post a scan of it. I realize that means we will probably be without the Goudey Lajoie or Wagner, or does it? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zackenback23 Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 5:00 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Hall of Fame voting - stirring the pot Wow, you guys have come back fast and furious - I guess I didn't quite know what I was starting. I did send a request to OBCAC asking for permission to run an annual Card HOF vote and induction. Hopefully, if approved, our web guys can help make it happen. Who better to decide on the Baseball Card Greats than OBCer's, Maybe I can amend the rules slightly and accept nominations each year, then conduct a vote of all cards nominated? I will see where I can take this. You guys have come up with some great Mike Mroz No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6988 - Release Date: 01/09/14 ================= Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 08:29:52 -0800 To: Larry Tipton ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dave Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] counterfeit T206 cards Larry - there is lots of good information on Net54. There is a link at the top of the page for detecting alterations and reprints. Larry Tipton wrote: >I am buying more T cards and need some help. I have a cheap magnifying >glass that I use, mostly to help me read numbers on the backs of cards. >I have seen collectors using jewelers loupes at shows. What do you look >for to determine if a T206 is real, or just a reprint scuffed up to >look old? With a loupe can you see something in the printing process? >Do I need a loupe and what kind or power of a loupe would I need? Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ================= To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:35:50 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] counterfeit T206 cards I would skip the loupe for now...what you need is a small blacklight. T206swill not shine under the blacklight. The paper of the last 40 years will. That is the easiest way. As you become more familiar with t206s you will also be able to tell from other clues including border size, font size and color, factory number, etc. If you are unsure of a card, keep your phone handy and take a picture. Upload it to Net54 and you will get a response usually within 30 minutes from the more knowledgeable collectors. I have done this a couple of times. The best way to weed out the fakes is experience. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 11, 2014 5:05 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] counterfeit T206 cards I am buying more T cards and need some help. I have a cheap magnifying glass that I use, mostly to help me read numbers on the backs of cards. I have seen collectors using jewelers loupes at shows. What do you look for to determine a T206 is real, or just a reprint scuffed up to look old? With a loupe can you see something in the printing process? Do I need a loupe and what kind or power of a loupe would I need? OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 11:08:27 -0800 (PST) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Dan Angland Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership Poll--Response Required (Gentle Reminder) Hey Folks, Still waiting on about 40ish responses. Thanks Dan To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: duph182@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 12:46:24 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership Poll--Response Required It is time again for the annual membership poll in order to make sure we have the right emails and that your membership remains active. We hope you will remain active in OBC and encourage other prospective OBC members this coming year as well. Per the OBC rules, all active members are required to respond to this OBCACpoll to remain on the active roster. You have3 choices and youmay YES - Please keep me on the active roster of OBC. NO - I do not wish to be active, please place me on the inactive list. NO - I am leaving OBC, please remove me from the group. We will keep the poll open for4 weeks untilJanuary 31, 2014 which should be time for all active members to respond. All members who do not respond will be given a notice prior to any dreaded =E2=9Cfurther action=E2=9D being taken, but please respond to cut down the sometimes considerable follow-up efforts. It is not necessary for inactive members to respond, but if you wish to do so it is always nice to hear from you and it would be great, if you wish to return to activeduty. All active members please RESPOND to me (Dan Angland) directly by sending an email toduph182@YAHOO.COM Have an OBC year! Dan Angland ================= Date: 12 Jan 2014 12:10:06 -0800 To: From: Subject: Set Killed ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 19:24:33 -0500 (EST) From: wwesmyster2@aol.com Subject: card HOF, Columbus show Haven't rambled in a while, so thanks to anyone who reads. I'll keep it short. First off, my starting 5 for the OBC baseball card HOF are: 1) 1952 Topps Mantle 2) T206 Wagner 3) 1933 Goudey #181 Ruth 4) 1961 Topps #578 Mantle AS 5) 1954 Bowman #66A Williams Ok, so today I had the boys while my wife pulled a 12 hours shift at her work. My 14 year old wanted to hang out at a friend's house a few blocks away, so then I had my Pok=C3=A9mon collecting 7 year old. Rather than vegg outat home in front of the tube, I noticed the Columbus Veteran's Sports CardShow was this week end. We took the hour trip to downtown Columbus from Dayton. With little time to spare, and 7 year old Nolan getting very bored, I streamlined straight to JD Heckathorn's tables. He has been doing the show for 20 years. His wife Stacey promotes and coordinates it. Very nice show, lots of tables, lots of vintage. JD's booth was the only one I visited. He is obviously one of our greatest certified dealers, and today, really came through as usual. I browsed through his classic bargain boxes, found a few hits to my "short"63 and 67 Topps lists. Also found an OBC Tommy John rookie. I love how JD keeps boxes "under the table" for his favorite customers. I've bought from JD even a couple years before I found out about OBC. None the less, he recognized me, and of course the hat. He was all smiles, relieved to see an OBCrepresentative at his wife's show. He cut off his intense conversation with a fellow dealer and a friend to greet me. After I scrounged through some of his bargain boxes, he pulled out a private stash of about 8 or 9 cards. Very very tough 50's hits, some were as rough as I'd ever seen. I said, "Jeesh! Where do you find these?!" As we all know, sometimes the 5-10% priced Tiptons are as hard to find as the Gem Mints, which somehow havefrozen in time. Anyhow, in this small stack were a couple key 53 Bowman Color cards. The #44 berra,bauer,mantle, and the #121 Berra! These examples suffered complete tears into (2) pieces. Top, and bottom. They were taped back together, and looked like they were probably repaired sometime in the 1950's. All the prices were right, around 5% as desired. Never having seen these 53 Bowmans at this price, I had to pick them up and call my card trip to an end right there at JD's table. Great time, and was able to leave before my boy started to hate the trip! On a final note, I picked up a very presentable 58 Topps #5 Mays, in one piece, Tipton. All words are legible. It is available for trade if anyone needs it. Though my dupes box is kind of tapped out right now, I will still likely browse OBC's 58 Topps lists looking for a candidate if I don't hear ofany interest. Thanks, and looking forward to maybe going to the Strongsville, Ohio show in May to meet up with the FOOT! ================= Date: 12 Jan 2014 18:21:53 -0800 To: From: Subject: Redford Report ================= Date: 12 Jan 2014 18:32:14 -0800 To: From: Subject: FOOT area events ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:34:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: Wahoo McDaniel Spent some time yesterday on ebay and picked up a couple of 1967 Topps football cards. Noticed that the one card I need to complete this set is #82 Wahoo McDaniel RC lists for $14 in VG shape? So whats the deal with Wahoo McDaniel? A Native American played football with the Oklahoma Sooners and pro ball with the Oilers Broncos Jets Dolphins. In 1968 he knocked out two police officers and was traded to the Chargers but never played for them. Went on to a pro wrestling career five time heavyweight champ. Married five times. McDaniel's health started to deteriorate in the mid-1990s, and he eventually lost both kidneys. He was awaiting a kidney transplant when he died from complications from diabetes and renal failure on April 18, 2002. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 02:43:41 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wahoo McDaniel You got all that from his 1967 card? ;-) From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:34 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wahoo McDaniel Spent some time yesterday on ebay and picked up a couple of 1967 Topps football cards. Noticed that the one card I need to complete this set is #82 Wahoo McDaniel RC lists for $14 in VG shape? So whats the deal with Wahoo McDaniel? A Native American played football with the Oklahoma Sooners and pro ball with the Oilers Broncos Jets Dolphins. In 1968 he knocked out two police officers and was traded to the Chargers but never played for them. Went on to a pro wrestling career five time heavyweight champ. Married five times.McDaniel's health started to deteriorate in the mid-1990s, and he eventually lost both kidneys. He was awaiting a kidney transplant when he died from complications from diabetes and renal failure on April 18, 2002. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:46:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: waiver-wire lotto Attended our local monthly show Saturday, and managed to pick up a few needed cards. Also started a new set 1962 Topps Ben Casey & Dr Kildare why I started this set is beyond me, other than I got a handful of cards cheap:) Intodays world I am thankful that we have one good card shop in Jacksonville, and I am glad to support the monthly show they put on. Pick up a couple of cards I want to waiver wire lotto style. So LMK if you can use either of these cards and if more than one OBCer needs them, I'll draw names out of ahat. 1961 Topps #160 Whitey Ford creased beyond measure and the NY on his hat ishole 1963 Topps #2 AL Batting Leaders with a floating head shot of Mickey Mantlewith motor oil damage front and back, and inked our card number and AMERICAN LEAGUE on the reverse. ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:22:03 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wahoo McDaniel Content-Language: en He was one of the most popular players on the team while with the Jets, According to Wikipedia, he "...really became a star when he was traded to the _New York Jets_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Jets) in 1964. He was a crowd favorite and made 23 tackles in a single game against his former Denver Broncos" In a message dated 1/13/2014 5:43:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com writes: You got all that from his 1967 card? ;-) From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 10:34 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wahoo McDaniel Spent some time yesterday on ebay and picked up a couple of 1967 Topps football cards. Noticed that the one card I need to complete this set is #82 Wahoo McDaniel RC lists for $14 in VG shape? So whats the deal with Wahoo McDaniel? A Native American played football with the Oklahoma Sooners and pro ball with the Oilers Broncos Jets Dolphins. In 1968 he knocked out two police officers and was traded to the Chargers but never played for them. Went on to a pro wrestling career five time heavyweight champ. Married five times. McDaniel's health started to deteriorate in the mid-1990s, and he eventually lost both kidneys. He was awaiting a kidney transplant when he died from complications from diabetes and renal failure on April 18, 2002. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:54:33 -0500 (EST) From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: I need some help IDing a card Hi all, I am starting to wander into the unknown for me. I have also stopped my collecting a 1950, well its time to move into the 30's and 40's I have some cards that look very much like the 33 Goudey cards They are black and White and were made in Canada They have to be 1936 or newer as some of the dates on the info on the cardsmention Any help would be appreciated. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= To: , Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 09:58:44 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card Sounds like 1936 World Wide Gum (Canadian Goudey, V355) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KEVINM38@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 9:55 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card Hi all, I am starting to wander into the unknown for me. I have also stopped my collecting a 1950, well its time to move into the 30's and 40's I have some cards that look very much like the 33 Goudey cards They are black and White and were made in Canada They have to be 1936 or newer as some of the dates on the info on the cards mention 1935 Any help would be appreciated. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6988 - Release Date: 01/09/14 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 07:00:21 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card Maybe 1936 World Wide Gum? They were B&W, 2 =BD X 2 7/8..... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KEVINM38@aol.com Sent: January-13-14 6:55 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card Hi all, I am starting to wander into the unknown for me. I have also stopped my collecting a 1950, well its time to move into the 30's and 40's I have some cards that look very much like the 33 Goudey cards They are black and White and were made in Canada They have to be 1936 or newer as some of the dates on the info on the cards mention 1935 Any help would be appreciated. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6997 - Release Date: 01/12/14 ================= Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:34:33 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card If the B&W card back text says "BIG LEAGUE Chewing Gum" and "World Wide Gum," that's 1936 World Wide Gum. Not easy to find, so they're good trade bait even if you don't start the set. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Grant Rainsley wrote: > Maybe 1936 World Wide Gum? They were B&W, 2 =BD X 2 7/8..... > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *KEVINM38@aol.com > *Sent:* January-13-14 6:55 AM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card > Hi all, > I am starting to wander into the unknown for me. > I have also stopped my collecting a 1950, well its time to move into the > 30's and 40's > I have some cards that look very much like the 33 Goudey cards > They are black and White and were made in Canada > They have to be 1936 or newer as some of the dates on the info on the > cards mention 1935 > Any help would be appreciated. > Happy Trading, > Kevin Martens > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6997 - Release Date: 01/12/14 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 13:42:34 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: card HOF, Columbus show Nice job at JD's table! I had intended on going to the show on Sunday, but I wasn't feeling well. Glad one of us got some goodies! I'm going to the Nutter Center show on Saturday; hopefully it's as good as the last one. ================= To: Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 16:55:00 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Website progress I understand Wayne Delia's son has begun preliminary work on the website redo. Nothing yet to report other than the wheels are in motion and our suggestions and comments have been on the Ramblings emails. George Vrechek ================= To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com, grains@shaw.ca Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:50:50 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card Absolutely 1936 WWG. Bama, Grant and I may be the only ones who actively collect this set in the group. I am getting close on the 34 WWG, 1/2 the 33WWG but only 14 of 135 from 36 WWG. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Glidden To: Grant Rainsley Cc: Kevin Martens ; obc ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 13, 2014 11:34 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card If the B&W card back text says "BIG LEAGUE Chewing Gum" and "World Wide Gum," that's 1936 World Wide Gum. Not easy to find, so they're good trade baiteven if you don't start the set. On Mon, Jan 13, 2014 at 10:00 AM, Grant Rainsley wrote: Maybe 1936 World Wide Gum? They were B&W, 2 =BD X 2 7/8..... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of KEVINM38@aol.com Sent: January-13-14 6:55 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help IDing a card Hi all, I am starting to wander into the unknown for me. I have also stopped my collecting a 1950, well its time to move into the 30's and 40's I have some cards that look very much like the 33 Goudey cards They are black and White and were made in Canada They have to be 1936 or newer as some of the dates on the info on the cardsmention Any help would be appreciated. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6997 - Release Date: 01/12/14 ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 07:52:51 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Andy Subject: Re: I need some help IDing a card I also collect 1936 WWGs, but echo Mike -- collecting this set is at least a 20-year commitment, maybe longer. It's a cool set because there are lots of minor leaguers mixed in. Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 17:32:21 -0500 (EST) From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Thanks Guys!! Hi all, Just want to say thanks to all the people that helped me ID some cards I have. Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= To: , Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:33:18 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... The shipping is free though, think of the money you would save there........... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net Sent: January-14-14 4:23 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... but I know/realize I will never finish it. Or maybe this falls in the completely ridiculous category. With five days left--the price for this card is off the charts. Heck you could buy at least three of the T206 Cobbs for the price this is going for. And it is only a 1962 Jello http://www.ebay.com/itm/321294173514?ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT &_trksidp3984.m1426.l2649 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/7002 - Release Date: 01/14/14 ================= To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:08:07 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... But it comes with free shipping! My 2008 SCD lists it at $60 in Nr-MT. Guess the guide is off just a bit. -----Original Message----- From: hoot_owl1 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 14, 2014 7:22 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... but I know/realize I will never finish it. Or maybe this falls in the completely ridiculous category. With five days left--the price for this card is off the charts. Heck you could buy at least three of the T206 Cobbs for the price this is going for. And it is only a 1962 Jello http://www.ebay.com/itm/321294173514?ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksidp3984.m1426.l2649 ================= Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:39:29 -0800 (PST) To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... Amazing. The seller - who originally listed this at a starting price of $25- must be turning cartwheels. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:22 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... but I know/realize I will never finish it. Or maybe this fallsin the completely ridiculous category. With five days left--the price for this card is off the charts. Heck you could buy at least three of the T206 Cobbs for the price this is going for. And it is only a 1962 Jello http://www.ebay.com/itm/321294173514?ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksidp3984.m1426.l2649 ================= Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 08:56:12 -0600 To: Glenn Codere From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... Sad thing is that if I say this in a $2 box at a show, I'd pass. On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 1:39 AM, Glenn Codere wrote: > Amazing. The seller - who originally listed this at a starting price of > $25 - must be turning cartwheels. > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > *From:* "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:22 AM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] I love this set.... > but I know/realize I will never finish it. Or maybe this falls in > the completely ridiculous category. > With five days left--the price for this card is off the charts. Heck you > could buy at least three of the T206 Cobbs for the price this is going for. > And it is only a 1962 Jello > http://www.ebay.com/itm/321294173514?ssPageNameSTRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksidp3984.m1426.l2649 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:11:53 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2014 goals OK, best get this done while there is still more of the year ahead than behind. My goals for the last couple years have been primarily to work on my Topps ('51-'72) and Bowman ('48-'55) runs. In 2011 I got my wants down to 850, in 2012 to 775 and last year way down to This year my main goal is 385, which is mostly 1949 Bowmans. All these numbers include variations I am in still search of (290), and just 95 regular set I have started listing on the top of my webpage the sets I am closest to finishing as my "most wanted cards", and have currently 11 sets that need 11 cards or less to kill, and 4 sets need just 2 or less. Secondary goals are (A) '33 Goudeys, just started last year, my first forayinto pre-war, (B) make another National in Cleveland no matter what, and (C) send out more envelopes - lately much too busy with work and life to do much collecting at all, either acquiring or sending. Hopefully that will ease up in the next few weeks. High hopes! Richard D ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:05:16 -0500 From: Shawn Smart Subject: vintage football The Met exhibiting football trading cards Originally published: January 15, 2014 4:23 PM January 15, 2014 4:32 PM By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art is presenting an exhibition of 150 vintage football trading cards celebrating football's history through the ages. It opens Jan. 24 and runs through Feb. 10. (Jan. 14) Football at the Met. No, not Metlife Stadium where the Super Bowl will make history next month. The Met, as in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. The venerable institution is presenting a pop-up exhibition celebrating football's history through the ages with vintage trading cards. It opens Jan. and runs through Feb. 10. The 150 cards, beginning with a series from 1894, are part of approximately 600 football cards from the museum's vast collection of 300,000 trading cards donated to the Met by the late card collector and cataloger Jefferson Burdick. All predate the founding of a national football league in 1920 and the first Super Bowl in 1967. The cards =97 which feature football greats, lesser-known collegiate players, owners and teams =97 were inserted into such products as candy, gum and With the Super Bowl being played Feb. 2 in nearby East Rutherford, N.J., the first time the game is being held outdoors in a cold-weather city, organizing the "Gridiron Greats" exhibition was a natural, said Freyda Spira, the Met's assistant curator of the department of drawings While some may view such an exhibition at the Met as an anomaly, the Burdick collection is part of the museum's mission to include printed material "fora mass public," Spira said. "Commercially printed lithographs are part of our printed visual culture," she added. "It's viewed within the spectrum of what art is." The earliest cards, produced by the P.H. Mayo Tobacco company, featured black and white photos of Ivy League football stars in collegiate sweaters. The rarest card in the exhibition is of John Dunlop from Harvard. He is the only player in the series whose name and school affiliation were inexplicably It's not known how many Dunlop cards are in existence but one in perfect condition can sell for $15,000 to $20,000, said Bob Swick, publisher and editor of Gridirons Greats magazine. Among the greats, the collection features Notre Dame coach Knute Rockne, whose career included six national college championships and entry into theHall of Fame in 1951, the first year of induction. The cards "present a very historical view of where the game of football came from," Swick said. The sport began as an intercollegiate game that fused soccer and rugby. Athletic clubs eventually formed football leagues. The most powerful, the Ohio League, became the American Professional Football Conference in 1920 before changing its name to the National Football League two years later. The first Super Bowl came about only after the formation of the American Football League in 1960. Many of the sets are beautiful color lithographs that depict the players in action. A 1935 National Chicle Gum Company set includes Hall of Famer Turk Edwards, a Washington State tackle whose nine-year NFL career with the Washington Redskins ended after an injury during a coin toss in a 1940 game against the New York Giants. There's also a 1936 Chicle luxury set of black and white photos that includes University of Illinois running back Harold "Red" Grange, who went on to play with the Chicago Bears and whose speed earned him the moniker "The Galloping Other notable players include Kenneth Washington, the first black player in the NFL who broke the color barrier, and Hall of Famer Sid Luckman, one of the first Jewish players in professional football. There's also a 1952 rookie card of Frank Gifford, who was the New York Giants' No. 1 draft pick. Burdick, an electrician from Syracuse, N.Y., began donating his 300,000-card collection to the Met in 1947. In organizing the material at the Met over a 15-year period, Burdick devised a classification system that has become the standard for cataloging trading cards. He died in 1963. Burdick's collection has offered the museum ample material for special exhibitions over the years, including one on baseball cards, of which he amassed Other museums in and around the city presenting Super Bowl-related exhibitions include The Children's Museum of Manhattan, the Museum of the Moving Image in Queens and the Liberty Science Center in Jersey City, N.J. ================= Date: 16 Jan 2014 18:46:38 -0800 To: From: Subject: basketball sets added ================= To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 22:17:22 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage football Bob Swick, who is quoted in the article, is an old friend of mine. We weretrading years before I was in OBC. Bob has been a the last couple of Nationals. He has a phenomenal FB card collection. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Smart To: obc-ramblings Sent: Thu, Jan 16, 2014 9:05 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] vintage football The Met exhibiting football trading cards Originally published: January 15, 2014 4:23 PM Updated: January 15, 2014 4:32 PM By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS New York's Metropolitan Museum of Art is presenting an exhibition of 150 vintage football trading cards celebrating football's history through the ages. It opens Jan. 24 and runs through Feb. 10. (Jan. 14) Football at the Met. No, not Metlife Stadium where the Super Bowl will makehistory next month. The Met, as in the Metropolitan Museum of Art. The venerable institution is presenting a pop-up exhibition celebrating football's history through the ages with vintage trading cards. It opens Jan. 24 and runs through Feb. 10. The 150 cards, beginning with a series from 1894, are part of approximately600 football cards from the museum's vast collection of 300,000 trading cards donated to the Met by the late card collector and cataloger Jefferson Burdick. All predate the founding of a national football league in 1920 and the first Super Bowl in 1967. The cards =E2=94 which feature football greats, lesser-known collegiate players, owners and teams =E2=94 were inserted into such products as candy, gum and tobacco. With the Super Bowl being played Feb. 2 in nearby East Rutherford, N.J., the first time the game is being held outdoors in a cold-weather city, organizing the "Gridiron Greats" exhibition was a natural, said Freyda Spira, theMet's assistant curator of the department of drawings and prints. While some may view such an exhibition at the Met as an anomaly, the Burdick collection is part of the museum's mission to include printed material "for a mass public," Spira said. "Commercially printed lithographs are part of our printed visual culture," she added. "It's viewed within the spectrum of what art is." The earliest cards, produced by the P.H. Mayo Tobacco company, featured black and white photos of Ivy League football stars in collegiate sweaters. The rarest card in the exhibition is of John Dunlop from Harvard. He is theonly player in the series whose name and school affiliation were inexplicably It's not known how many Dunlop cards are in existence but one in perfect condition can sell for $15,000 to $20,000, said Bob Swick, publisher and editor of Gridirons Greats magazine. Among the greats, the collection features Notre Dame coach Knute Rockne, whose career included six national college championships and entry into the Hall of Fame in 1951, the first year of induction. The cards "present a very historical view of where the game of football came from," Swick said. The sport began as an intercollegiate game that fused soccer and rugby. Athletic clubs eventually formed football leagues. The most powerful, the OhioLeague, became the American Professional Football Conference in 1920 before changing its name to the National Football League two years later. The first Super Bowl came about only after the formation of the American FootballLeague in 1960. Many of the sets are beautiful color lithographs that depict the players inaction. A 1935 National Chicle Gum Company set includes Hall of Famer TurkEdwards, a Washington State tackle whose nine-year NFL career with the Washington Redskins ended after an injury during a coin toss in a 1940 game against the New York Giants. There's also a 1936 Chicle luxury set of black and white photos that includes University of Illinois running back Harold "Red" Grange, who went on to play with the Chicago Bears and whose speed earned him the moniker "The Galloping Other notable players include Kenneth Washington, the first black player inthe NFL who broke the color barrier, and Hall of Famer Sid Luckman, one ofthe first Jewish players in professional football. There's also a 1952 rookie card of Frank Gifford, who was the New York Giants' No. 1 draft pick. Burdick, an electrician from Syracuse, N.Y., began donating his 300,000-card collection to the Met in 1947. In organizing the material at the Met overa 15-year period, Burdick devised a classification system that has become the standard for cataloging trading cards. He died in 1963. Burdick's collection has offered the museum ample material for special exhibitions over the years, including one on baseball cards, of which he amassed Other museums in and around the city presenting Super Bowl-related exhibitions include The Children's Museum of Manhattan, the Museum of the Moving Image in Queens and the Liberty Science Center in Jersey City, N.J. ================= Date: 17 Jan 2014 09:20:12 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2014 Goals ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 19:47:47 -0500 (EST) From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: A Farewell Well after almost 25 years in OBC (practically half my life) and a long stretch on the inactive list I have decided I am going to leave the group. I don't really collect much in the way of sports cards anymore and have not been participating with any posts so I figured it was time to hang up my spurs. The Prodigy days have long past and the group has really grown, so kudos to all of you. I am still active in the hobby, mostly with blogs, writing and my Topps type run (all lines) but it's time to enter a new phase. I can still be reached at either: dsh46@aol.com or And my cell is 631 487 8170 I'll certainly see some of you guys at future Nationals, although I don't think I am making Cleveland this year-it's been a blast and thanks for all the great cardboard and memories over the years. Cheers-Dave Hornish ================= To: dsh46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 10:02:05 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Farewell One of my oldest trading partners...you will be missed in OBC. I highly suggest the newer members of OBC check out David's blog and his book about Topps type cards. It is fantastic. See you around and take care. -----Original Message----- From: dsh46 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 17, 2014 4:47 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A Farewell Well after almost 25 years in OBC (practically half my life) and a long stretch on the inactive list I have decided I am going to leave the group. I don't really collect much in the way of sports cards anymore and have not been participating with any posts so I figured it was time to hang up my spurs. The Prodigy days have long past and the group has really grown, so kudos to all of you. I am still active in the hobby, mostly with blogs, writing and my Topps type run (all lines) but it's time to enter a new phase. I can still be reached at either: dsh46@aol.com or And my cell is 631 487 8170 I'll certainly see some of you guys at future Nationals, although I don't think I am making Cleveland this year-it's been a blast and thanks for all the great cardboard and memories over the years. Cheers-Dave Hornish ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:32:50 +0000 (UTC) To: dsh46 , OBC-Ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A Farewell I totally agree!
Very few collectors have the in depth Topps knowledge that Dave does.
OBC has been fortunate to have you all these years...Godspeed Dave!

OBC Forever

Brian

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================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 16:32:42 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: white plains sports card show bitch Just came back from the White Plains NY sports card show and I have to bitch. This is the second straight show where I've bought nothing - maybe timeto give up the hobby? Here what really gets me 1- dealers who play "Guess How Much I Want For My Cards?" Please price your cards so I know if I'm wasting my time before I wait 5 minutes for you to stop bragging to your friends about =85 (fill in the blank with a lie). 2- dealers who offer 50% off book but then write out-dated high book priceson their labels. 3- dealers who can't grade - 4 rounded corners in my book means VG not EX. 4- dealers who don't understand how the percent off book works, example Card X books at $1000 but is in Poor condition so his price is $225 Thanks for existing OBCers - now that I've gotten that off my chest and shared it with other collectors, I can move on! ================= To: "'Rob Fitts'" , Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 13:51:54 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch An addendum to item 1, from back when I had access to shows..........pick a card, let's say a '59 Hi of AS Aparicio.........no price on it sitting in the showcase..so you ask the guy how much he wants for it. He reaches for a price guide and starts thumbing through it. For me, it is time to move on to the next table. Some guys want to sell, some don't. Same guys whose cards (according to them) are all NrMt, while all your cards are VG-VG+. You aren't alone, Rob......Long Live OBC! -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Fitts Sent: January-18-14 1:33 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch Just came back from the White Plains NY sports card show and I have to bitch. This is the second straight show where I've bought nothing - maybe time to give up the hobby? Here what really gets me 1- dealers who play "Guess How Much I Want For My Cards?" Please price your cards so I know if I'm wasting my time before I wait 5 minutes for you to stop bragging to your friends about . (fill in the blank with a lie). 2- dealers who offer 50% off book but then write out-dated high book prices on their labels. 3- dealers who can't grade - 4 rounded corners in my book means VG not EX. 4- dealers who don't understand how the percent off book works, example Card X books at $1000 but is in Poor condition so his price is $225 Thanks for existing OBCers - now that I've gotten that off my chest and shared it with other collectors, I can move on! OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo Groups Links No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7013 - Release Date: 01/18/14 ================= Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:28:40 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: Rob Fitts , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jake Elwell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch I'm still a newbie with a long way to go with 60s and 70s hits so I can still ignore the display cases and get a lot of mileage out of the nickel and dime boxes. But from my dabbling into better stuff I can understand your bitch. I snuck away with three Tipton Play Balls for a dollar so I counted yesterday at White Plains a success -- despite having to beg a dealer down on a 73Dave Concepcion to finish my set -- he had a whole stack of em marked $5 each -- wth?? I too came away counting my stars for O B C. -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Fitts >Sent: Jan 18, 2014 4:32 PM >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch >Just came back from the White Plains NY sports card show and I have to bitch. This is the second straight show where I've bought nothing - maybe time to give up the hobby? >Here what really gets me >1- dealers who play "Guess How Much I Want For My Cards?" Please price your cards so I know if I'm wasting my time before I wait 5 minutes for you to stop bragging to your friends about =E2=A6 (fill in the blank with alie). >2- dealers who offer 50% off book but then write out-dated high book prices on their labels. >3- dealers who can't grade - 4 rounded corners in my book means VG not EX. >4- dealers who don't understand how the percent off book works, example Card X books at $1000 but is in Poor condition so his price is $225 >Thanks for existing OBCers - now that I've gotten that off my chest and shared it with other collectors, I can move on! >OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo Groups Links ================= To: Jake Elwell , Rob Fitts , Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:32:37 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch Sorry to hear about the White Plains show. Maybe it's just the New York area? But there are plenty of deals still out there. I picked up this big hit last weekend for 8% of BV ($80), as Mark can attest to (amazingly at a Card/ Toy combo show). Maybe we can entice those of you within a few hours of Raleigh to make a trip to the show in a couple of weeks (1/31-2/2)? ;) Don't think Uncle Dick will be there though as I believe he will still be in Florida. :( To: robfitts@optimum.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jelwell8@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:28:40 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch I'm still a newbie with a long way to go with 60s and 70s hits so I can still ignore the display cases and get a lot of mileage out of the nickel and dime boxes. But from my dabbling into better stuff I can understand your I snuck away with three Tipton Play Balls for a dollar so I counted yesterday at White Plains a success -- despite having to beg a dealer down on a 73Dave Concepcion to finish my set -- he had a whole stack of em marked $5 each -- wth?? I too came away counting my stars for O B C. -----Original Message----- >From: Rob Fitts >Sent: Jan 18, 2014 4:32 PM >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] white plains sports card show bitch >Just came back from the White Plains NY sports card show and I have to bitch. This is the second straight show where I've bought nothing - maybe time to give up the hobby? >Here what really gets me >1- dealers who play "Guess How Much I Want For My Cards?" Please price your cards so I know if I'm wasting my time before I wait 5 minutes for you to stop bragging to your friends about =85 (fill in the blank with a lie). >2- dealers who offer 50% off book but then write out-dated high book prices on their labels. >3- dealers who can't grade - 4 rounded corners in my book means VG not EX. >4- dealers who don't understand how the percent off book works, example Card X books at $1000 but is in Poor condition so his price is $225 >Thanks for existing OBCers - now that I've gotten that off my chest and shared it with other collectors, I can move on! >OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo Groups Links ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:02:24 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: A ramble about my son. Some of you have met my 18 year old son Connor. He's been to a couple of Nationals with me. Some of you are aware that he's sick but for those that don't I'll fill you in. Currently he's battling a rare disease called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (also known as ADEM) that affect 8 people per million. It's where ones anti-bodies attack the body specifically the brain and spinal cord. Apparently he contract the Epstein-Barr virus (which causes mono) and that turned into Viral Meningitis. We brought him to the ER on Jan 2. By Jan 11 he has deteriorated so much the local hospital didn't know what to do so he was transferred to Yale/New Haven hospital where the ADEM diagnosis was made. An MRI showed inflammation and multiple lesions on his brain and spinal cord. He is currently in the Neuroscience ICU. He can't move his legsand has very limited movement in his arms. A week ago he couldn't move his arms either so, very slowly, he is making progress. He has a breathing tube, feeding tube, catheter, etc. On Jan 12th, Connor went through a 5 day steroid treatment to start the recovery process. While it reduced the inflammation and lesions the doctors weren't satisfied so the next step was five sessions over 8 days of plasmapheresis where the plasma (containing the "bad" antibodies) is removed from his blood and replaced with donor plasma. Tomorrow will be his last session. 70% of the people with ADEM make a full recovery in 1 to 6 months and another 20% will have minor residual defects. With Connor's age and current mental alertness we're hoping for a full recovery. He's had his ups and downs. Tuesday they removed the breathing tube but had to put it back in 5 hours later because he was having trouble breathing. Later that day he came down with pneumonia so that's another issue we have to deal with now. Then yesterday he developed a rash on his arms, chest, and neck area. They suspect it's from the Epstein Barr virus but took a biopsy to test to make sure.His bowel is also dissented so the doctors are keeping an eye on that to make sure his colon doesn't burst. During his three week hospital stay he's lost close to 30 pounds. If all goes well he'll probably have another 2 or 3 weeks in the hospital before starting his rehab. Once we can get the breathing tube out he'll be able to eat solid food and hopefully build his strength back up. Just wanted to let you know why I've been even less active than normal. I'm behind on thanks and owe quite a few people (Shawn and Kev among others).Our family is coping well so all we need is for everybody to keep Connor in their prayers along with T.J. p.s. Please no random acts of kindness. We have been very blessed by friends, family, and the community who have done more than enough for us. =09=09 ================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:43:29 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: 52 Bowmans I am well on my way to crying about needing a Mantle and Mays for this set. Only 8 to go... but of course when I thought I'd never even get this close, I chose not to look at the variations. BUT OF COURSE there is one in this set! # 248 Bill Werle has a version with full signature on the front and one missing the "W". Both value out the same, but I need the missing W. Anyone out there have an extra lying around? So close... yet so far....! ================= Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:01:08 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: 2014 Goals As long as we WERE on the subject... I have so many small holes I want to fill out. My goals are to get some of this done before the National so I can concentrate on a BIG card (67 Seaver, 52B Mays/ Mantle, 58T Yellow Clemente). My year seems to start about August 5th (post National) and ends about July 29th (Pre National)! 1- 52 Bowman- Get Roberts Ashburn Mize Crosetti (and now Werle) to get me to 4 biggies 2- 66 Batman (yes I said it) B PUZZLE back 39 to put that to rest 3- Jets- 63F 12 Mathis, 88T 9 Toon 89T 229 Lyons (That will leave me just a few Namaths away) 40- Knicks- 86F 32,60,122 89 Hoops- 3,97 (just because they are annoying 58T- Cut the Yellows in half from 8 to 4 59T- Get under 400 (450) 62T- Get under 200 (244) 64 Coins- get to 35 (45) 66T- Get under 50 (53) 67T- get under 110 (122) OPC Mets- get under 50 (53) Brooklyn Dodgers- Get under 100 (119) Really most of these are modest as I only need a few to reach the goal. The other, which works with everyone, is to send out more stuff. I got on a good roll in November. Now with the holidays gone, back to hitting the want ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 22:13:57 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A ramble about my son. Isn't it funny how whenever any of us has a problem, big or small, we always about being "behind on thanks", even though we know that everyone understands A) we must be doing our job if there are so manny thankyous to do... I knowthat is true in my case! B) Thanks for thinking of us Bob, we are all certainly going to be thinkingof you and your ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:02 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A ramble about my son. Some of you have met my 18 year old son Connor. He's been to a couple ofNationals with me. Some of you are aware that he's sick but for those that don't I'll fill you in. Currently he's battling a rare disease called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (also known as ADEM) that affect 8 people per million. It's where ones anti-bodies attack the body specifically the brain and spinal cord. Apparently he contract the Epstein-Barr virus (which causes mono) and that turned into Viral Meningitis. We brought him to the ER on Jan 2. By Jan11 he has deteriorated so much the local hospital didn't know what to do so he was transferred to Yale/New Haven hospital where the ADEM diagnosis was made. An MRI showed inflammation and multiple lesions on his brain and spinal cord. He is currently in the Neuroscience ICU. He can't move his legs and has very limited movement in his arms. A week ago he couldn't move his arms either so, very slowly, he is making progress. He has a breathingtube, feeding tube, catheter, etc. On Jan 12th, Connor went through a 5 day steroid treatment to start the recovery process. While it reduced the inflammation and lesions the doctorsweren't satisfied so the next step was five sessions over 8 days of plasmapheresis where the plasma (containing the "bad" antibodies) is removed fromhis blood and replaced with donor plasma. Tomorrow will be his last session. 70% of the people with ADEM make a full recovery in 1 to 6 months and another 20% will have minor residual defects. With Connor's age and current mental alertness we're hoping for a full recovery. He's had his ups and downs. Tuesday they removed the breathing tube but had to put it back in 5 hours later because he was having trouble breathing. Later that day he came down with pneumonia so that's another issue we have to deal with now. Thenyesterday he developed a rash on his arms, chest, and neck area. They suspect it's from the Epstein Barr virus but took a biopsy to test to make sure. His bowel is also dissented so the doctors are keeping an eye on that to make sure his colon doesn't burst. During his three week hospital stay he's lost close to 30 pounds. If all goes well he'll probably have another 2 or 3 weeks in the hospital before starting his rehab. Once we can get the breathing tube out he'll be able to eat solid food and hopefully build his strength back up. Just wanted to let you know why I've been even less active than normal. I'm behind on thanks and owe quite a few people (Shawn and Kev among others). Our family is coping well so all we need is for everybody to keep Connor in their prayers along with T.J. p.s. Please no random acts of kindness. We have been very blessed by friends, family, and the community who have done more than enough for us. ================= Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 03:45:16 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Peter" Subject: Here's a film... Content-Disposition: inline ...that sounds right up our collective alley. Have a look at the review! http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplaylist/sundance-review-doc-the-battered-bastards-of-baseball-tells-the-true-life-tale-of-bing-russells-raucous-adventu= New Policy in Virginia "Loophole" qualifies safe drivers for up to 50% off car insurance... http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e1e22de635e622d3ac1st04vuc ================= To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 07:02:21 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A ramble about my son. If it turns out there is anything we in OBC can do for Connor or your family, please let us know. I do remember Connor from some previous Nationals and hope he will be able to join us again this year. I also know he is an active kid, who loves baseball, so being laid us, has to be especially tough on him. Just remind him of how many players come back from injury andillness, stronger and better than ever. We will keep him in our thoughts and Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Bob Reed To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thu, Jan 23, 2014 11:02 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A ramble about my son. Some of you have met my 18 year old son Connor. He's been to a couple of Nationals with me. Some of you are aware that he's sick but for those that don't I'll fill you in. Currently he's battling a rare disease called acute disseminated encephalomyelitis (also known as ADEM) that affect 8 people per million. It's where ones anti-bodies attack the body specifically the brain and spinal cord. Apparently he contract the Epstein-Barr virus (which causes mono) and that turned into Viral Meningitis. We brought him to the ER on Jan 2. By Jan 11 he has deteriorated so much the local hospital didn't know what to do so he was transferred to Yale/New Haven hospital where the ADEM diagnosis was made. An MRI showed inflammation and multiple lesions on his brain and spinal cord. He is currently in the Neuroscience ICU. He can't move his legsand has very limited movement i n his arms. A week ago he couldn't move his arms either so, very slowly, he is making progress. He has a breathing tube, feeding tube, catheter, etc. On Jan 12th, Connor went through a 5 day steroid treatment to start the recovery process. While it reduced the inflammation and lesions the doctors weren't satisfied so the next step was five sessions over 8 days of plasmapheresis where the plasma (containing the "bad" antibodies) is removed from his blood and replaced with donor plasma. Tomorrow will be his last session. 70% of the people with ADEM make a full recovery in 1 to 6 months and another 20% will have minor residual defects. With Connor's age and current mental alertness we're hoping for a full recovery. He's had his ups and downs. Tuesday they removed the breathing tube but had to put it back in 5 hours later because he was having trouble breathing. Later that day he came down with pneumonia so that's another issue we have to deal with now. Then yesterday he developed a rash on his arms, chest, and neck area. They suspect it's from the Epstein Barr virus but took a biopsy to test to make sure. His bowel is also dissented so the doctors are keeping an eye on that tomake sure his colon doesn't burst. During his three week hospital stay he's lost close to 30 pounds. If all goes well he'll probably have another 2or 3 weeks in the hospital before starting his rehab. Once we can get thebreathing tube out he'll be able to eat solid food and hopefully build hisstrength back up. Just wanted to let you know why I've been even less active than normal. I'm behind on thanks and owe quite a few people (Shawn and Kev among others).Our family is coping well so all we need is for everybody to keep Connor in their prayers along with T.J.< /div> p.s. Please no random acts of kindness. We have been very blessed by friends, family, and the community who have done more than enough for us. ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:37:05 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: OBC super bowl pool #14! It is time for me to take names. The winner from each quarter gets cards from all the "losers" :) Check out http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm to see the history of the pool and the "official rules" I have faith that we can reach the 5000 card mark this year... maybe. Let me know if you want in. Go OBC! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 06:15:33 -0800 (PST) To: Supreme Commander , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! I'd just like to assure everyone that I am once again taking part in the OBC Super Bowl Pool, and given that my history of success in the event is similar to that of the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl era, the odds are narrowed significantly for everyone else. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Supreme Commander To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:37 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! It is time for me to take names. The winner from each quarter gets cards from all the "losers" :) Check http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm to see the history of the pool and the "official I have faith that we can reach the 5000 card mark this year... maybe. Let me know if you want in. Go OBC! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 06:56:10 -0800 (PST) To: Glenn Codere , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! I'm with you, Glenn=E2=A6this is my 13th try at this pool, with never a win. Oh well, at least I can send out some cards!! Take Care, > From: Glenn Codere >To: Supreme Commander ; OBC Ramblings >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:15 AM >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! >I'd just like to assure everyone that I am once again taking part in the OBC Super Bowl Pool, and given that my history of success in the event is similar to that of the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl era, the odds are narrowed significantly for everyone else. >Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music >Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: Supreme Commander >To: OBC Ramblings >Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:37 AM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! > It is time for me to take names. The winner from each quarter gets cards >from all the "losers" :) Check >http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm >to see the history of the pool and the "official >I have faith that we can reach the 5000 card mark this year... maybe. >Let me know if you want in. >Go OBC! ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:03:27 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! Glenn,Being a Cleveland Browns fan I definitely feel your pain. At least your team played significant games in December. I can't remember the last time the Browns did that. I think Bill Belichek was still coaching them. I've been in all of the previous 13 super bowl pools and won the very firstquarter way back in 2001 but have lost 51 quarters in a row since then. I'm just hoping the Russel Wilson scores a lot more fantasy points than Marshawn Lynch which will help me in Gary's contest. Enjoy the game!-Bob To: seanobc@comcast.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 06:15:33 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! I'd just like to assure everyone that I am once again taking part in the OBC Super Bowl Pool, and given that my history of success in the event is similar to that of the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl era, the odds are narrowed significantly for everyone else. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your MusicGlenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Supreme Commander To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:37 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! It is time for me to take names. The winner from each quarter gets cards from all the "losers" :) Check http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm to see the history of the pool and the "official I have faith that we can reach the 5000 card mark this year... maybe. Let me know if you want in. Go OBC! ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 13:55:26 -0500 To: Bob Reed From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! I'll jump in, this will be my first OBC SB pool. Hoping for some "beginner's luck?' Sam Taylor On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM, Bob Reed wrote: > Glenn, > Being a Cleveland Browns fan I definitely feel your pain. At least your > team played significant games in December. I can't remember the last time > the Browns did that. I think Bill Belichek was still coaching them. > I've been in all of the previous 13 super bowl pools and won the very > first quarter way back in 2001 but have lost 51 quarters in a row since > then. > I'm just hoping the Russel Wilson scores a lot more fantasy points than > Marshawn Lynch which will help me in Gary's contest. > Enjoy the game! > -Bob > ------------------------------ > To: seanobc@comcast.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: glenncodere@yahoo.com > Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 06:15:33 -0800 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! > I'd just like to assure everyone that I am once again taking part in the > OBC Super Bowl Pool, and given that my history of success in the event is > similar to that of the Detroit Lions in the Super Bowl era, the odds are > narrowed significantly for everyone else. > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > ------------------------------ > *From:* Supreme Commander > *To:* OBC Ramblings > *Sent:* Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:37 AM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! > Kids, > It is time for me to take names. The winner from each quarter gets cards > from all the "losers" :) Check out > http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm > to see the history of the pool and the "official rules" > I have faith that we can reach the 5000 card mark this year... maybe. > Let me know if you want in. > Thanks, > Sean > Go OBC! Sam Taylor ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:43:23 -0500 (EST) From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? Jeffrey Delott ================= To: , Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:49:38 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I have always found it easiest to give a corner of the tomb a good smack with a hammer, then use a fine screwdriver to pry the slab apart. No tragedies yet......not that I would notice, probably..... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdelott@aol.com Sent: January-25-14 12:43 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? Jeffrey Delott No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7032 - Release Date: 01/25/14 ================= To: =?utf-8?B?SmVmZnJleSBEZWxvdHQ=?= ,obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:55:06 GMT From: "cardclctor@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:43:16 -0500 To: "cardclctor@aol.com" From: Jake Elwell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I did like Ken except I used a hack saw and cut the top off about a half inch above the card. Then I pried with a screwdriver. My utility knife just wasn't doing the trick. Both I and my 61 Yaz were pleased with the result. > On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "cardclctor@aol.com" wrote: > Jeff, > I always used a utility knife (or a case cutter, as they're more readily abailable) and scored around the edges of the slab, then took a flat head screwdriver and slowly pried apart the two halves. Hope that helps, > Ken M > Sent from my MetroPCS 4G Android device > ------ Original message------ > From: > Date: Sat, 1/25/2014 3:43 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab > It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? > Jeffrey Delott ================= To: Jake Elwell , "cardclctor@aol.com" Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:06:57 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab If you have a band saw or a jig saw, they can make cutting through the slaba safe distance from the card easy. Only problem is that they move so fast they tend to melt the plastic behind, so it is lightly resealed after thecut, but still easy enough to pry apart ... carefully ... CC: jdelott@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: cardclctor@aol.com From: jelwell8@earthlink.net Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:43:16 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I did like Ken except I used a hack saw and cut the top off about a half inch above the card. Then I pried with a screwdriver. My utility knife just wasn't doing the trick. Both I and my 61 Yaz were pleased with the result. On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "cardclctor@aol.com" wrote: I always used a utility knife (or a case cutter, as they're more readilyabailable) and scored around the edges of the slab, then took a flat head screwdriver and slowly pried apart the two halves. Hope that helps, Ken M Sent from my MetroPCS 4G Android device ------ Original message------ Date: Sat, 1/25/2014 3:43 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:15:45 -0500 To: Jake Elwell From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab Does anyone think there is another forum anywhere that has discussions on how to de-slab cards? We may represent the majority of collectors who have ever had this discussion! Go OBC! Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Jake Elwell wrote: > I did like Ken except I used a hack saw and cut the top off about a half inch above the card. Then I pried with a screwdriver. My utility knife justwasn't doing the trick. > Both I and my 61 Yaz were pleased with the result. > On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "cardclctor@aol.com" wrote: >> Jeff, >> I always used a utility knife (or a case cutter, as they're more readily abailable) and scored around the edges of the slab, then took a flat head screwdriver and slowly pried apart the two halves. Hope that helps, >> Ken M >> Sent from my MetroPCS 4G Android device >> ------ Original message------ >> From: >> Date: Sat, 1/25/2014 3:43 PM >> To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; >> Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab >> It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? >> Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:57:12 -0500 To: Doug From: Joel Freedman Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I carefully used a pair of dykes to cut the edge of the plastic. Luckily i was removing a 1948 bowman, thus the card was far away from the edge. On Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 5:15 PM, Doug wrote: > Does anyone think there is another forum anywhere that has discussions on > how to de-slab cards? > We may represent the majority of collectors who have ever had this > discussion! > Go OBC! > Sent from my iPad > On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Jake Elwell wrote: > I did like Ken except I used a hack saw and cut the top off about a half > inch above the card. Then I pried with a screwdriver. My utility knife just > wasn't doing the trick. > Both I and my 61 Yaz were pleased with the result. > On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "cardclctor@aol.com" > wrote: > Jeff, > I always used a utility knife (or a case cutter, as they're more > readily abailable) and scored around the edges of the slab, then took a > flat head screwdriver and slowly pried apart the two halves. Hope that > helps, > Ken M > Sent from my MetroPCS 4G Android device > ------ Original message------ > *From: * > *Date: *Sat, 1/25/2014 3:43 PM > *To: *obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; > *Subject:*[OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab > It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. > Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? > Jeffrey Delott ================= To: Grant Rainsley , "jdelott@aol.com" , Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:43:46 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab Vice grips fairly tight (to hold the slab in place) closer to the card, then break it away from the card with a pliers. Only did it a couple times though. Once you get it cracked (pliers, hammer, knife, etc), it's fairly easy. To: jdelott@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: grains@shaw.ca Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:49:38 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I have always found it easiest to give a corner of the tomb a good smack with a hammer, then use a fine screwdriver to pry the slab apart. No tragedies yet......not that I would notice, probably..... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdelott@aol.com Sent: January-25-14 12:43 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer.Is there a better way? Jeffrey DelottNo virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7032 - Release Date: 01/25/14 ================= Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:31:05 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab Content-Language: en hammer and cement stwp leading in to house remove slab (after removing card) so the stupid dog wont get on splinter caught in throat In a message dated 1/25/2014 5:43:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com writes: Vice grips fairly tight (to hold the slab in place) closer to the card, then break it away from the card with a pliers. Only did it a couple times though. Once you get it cracked (pliers, hammer, knife, etc), it's fairly To: jdelott@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: grains@shaw.ca Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:49:38 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I have always found it easiest to give a corner of the tomb a good smack with a hammer, then use a fine screwdriver to pry the slab apart. No tragedies yet......not that I would notice, probably..... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdelott@aol.com Sent: January-25-14 12:43 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? Jeffrey Delott No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7032 - Release Date: 01/25/14 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:31:20 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab This is truly a classic thread. Only on OBC for sure. I have one been meaning to save from it's tomb as well. May have to invent my own method just to add to the list! Stay tuned. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LUURSCJG@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:31 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab hammer and cement stwp leading in to house remove slab (after removing card) so the stupid dog wont get on splinter caught in throat In a message dated 1/25/2014 5:43:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com writes: Vice grips fairly tight (to hold the slab in place) closer to the card, then break it away from the card with a pliers. Only did it a couple times though. Once you get it cracked (pliers, hammer, knife, etc), it's fairly To: jdelott@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: grains@shaw.ca Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:49:38 -0800 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab I have always found it easiest to give a corner of the tomb a good smack with a hammer, then use a fine screwdriver to pry the slab apart. No tragedies yet......not that I would notice, probably..... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jdelott@aol.com Sent: January-25-14 12:43 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? Jeffrey Delott No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3681/7032 - Release Date: 01/25/14 ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 04:48:20 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Saturday at Gurus (thanks Gord) Loved the read..........nice package.............BUT "but chilling"....37 how can 37 be bone chilling..........-4 this morning with snow......and by Tuesday could set a record for cold here in "southern" Wisconsin at -20, with -55 wind chill. Hope my pipes don't freeze. "keep warm" Ken Goetsch ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Tipton To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:43 PM Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Saturday at Gurus (thanks Gord) A real fine day here in Hilliard Florida. Woke up to a bone chilling 37 degrees so I built a roaring fire to take the chill off. After it warmed up some, I put on my new sneakers for a six mile run, training for my annual 15K in March. Got home, rebuilt the fire, made a cup of Joe, and checked my mailbox. Gord Ellis sent me an envelope stuffed with goodies, and I appreciate the time and expense it took to get this to me Gord. I always check your list and always come up empty. Gonna have to turn that around:) Gord sent me a random stack of Hot Rod and Auto cards, Parnelli Jones Winner Circle, eight Shell Oil decals of Autos, two B/A Gallery of Great Cards(one I can't read in French), three Spec Sheet Hot Rods, finally two Barris Hot Rods stickers. I don't really have a want list for these Hot Rod cards, I just kind of like them. Also two 1967 Maya cards which means I am now collecting this set too and I added a want list. I see these cards at my local show but never thought to collect them I do not remember this TV show. But Dennis The Menace (Jay North) was the star. A single needed 1973 You'llDie Laughing, two beautiful 1962 Topps Ben Casey cards, two Superman stickers I needed, and a foil sticker card also from the 1978 Superman set. Eleven needed stickers from the 1978 Grease set Olivia Newton John still looking good! Then a 1954 Topps Scoops card, the tough Number 1 card in the set April 19, 1906 San Francisco Earth Quake. Finally a single 1961 Topps stamp Johnny Klippstein who I am going to glue in my original 1961 Topps stamp book:) The fire is still burning even though it's warmed up to 57, and I'm streaming "The Carpenters" on Pandora sorry about that. It's been a good day, and thanks Gord for thinking of me! ================= To: Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 09:14:25 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Consider running for the OBCAC positions As Geno announced, nominations for the OBC Advisory Committee (AC) and the facilitator position start February 1 and go through the 14th. You need to have been a member for 3 years and be nominated, which typically involves asking someone to nominate you. I've been on the committee for a few years Since there are no AC term limits, incumbents can continue to run and probably have a certain name-recognition factor. While it provides stability to have continuity on the AC and long-time members provide a good perspective, I think it is also healthy for an organization like ours to have a broad base of members who have been involved in club activities. New AC members help generate new ideas. While I've enjoyed serving on the AC, I am not going to run again this year in order to hopefully make room for some new blood. My personal view is that there should be term limits for the AC and facilitator positions. I encourage members who have not served on the AC or as facilitator to consider accepting a nomination this year and to think about the "new blood" idea when casting their own votes. Some of our more active OBCers haven't been members for three years and will have to put the nomination suggestion on the calendar for the future. George Vrechek ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 13:53:05 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Set Completion Finally managed to put away the 1977 Hostess set. The guys are surprisingly tough. Thanks to these guys: Reed, Mead, Stamper, Gersh, Donaldson, Hattox, Welk, Fitts,Talbot, JSG, Rich and probably others for hits along the way. I'm going to credit Mike Rich with the set kill and he recently hit theshort list and inspired me to overpay a bit to finish it. Thanks everyone! ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 14:13:44 -0700 To: "ken goetsch" From: Marshall West Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Thanks] Saturday at Gurus (thanks Gord) Guru- I'm with Goetsch on this one. Your first FAA facility should have been Bismarck, ND (like mine was!!) After 50 or 60 days below zero with a windchill factor you wouldn't believe, 10 degrees above zero was T-shirt weather for me :) Marshall West On Jan 26, 2014, at 3:48 AM, ken goetsch wrote: > Guru; > Loved the read..........nice package.............BUT "but chilling"....37how can 37 be bone chilling..........-4 this morning with snow......and byTuesday could set a record for cold here in "southern" Wisconsin at -20, with -55 wind chill. > Hope my pipes don't freeze. > "keep warm" > Ken Goetsch > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Larry Tipton > To: obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:43 PM > Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Saturday at Gurus (thanks Gord) > A real fine day here in Hilliard Florida. Woke up to a bone chilling 37 degrees so I built a roaring fire to take the chill off. After it warmed up some, I put on my new sneakers for a six mile run, training for my annual 15K in March. Got home, rebuilt the fire, made a cup of Joe, and checked my mailbox. Gord Ellis sent me an envelope stuffed with goodies, and I appreciate the time and expense it took to get this to me Gord. I always check your list and always come up empty. Gonna have to turn that around:) > Gord sent me a random stack of Hot Rod and Auto cards, Parnelli Jones Winner Circle, eight Shell Oil decals of Autos, two B/A Gallery of Great Cards(one I can't read in French), three Spec Sheet Hot Rods, finally two Barris Hot Rods stickers. I don't really have a want list for these Hot Rod cards, I just kind of like them. Also two 1967 Maya cards which means I am now collecting this set too and I added a want list. I see these cards at my local show but never thought to collect them I do not remember this TV show. But Dennis The Menace (Jay North) was the star. A single needed 1973 You'llDie Laughing, two beautiful 1962 Topps Ben Casey cards, two Superman stickers I needed, and a foil sticker card also from the 1978 Superman set. Eleven needed stickers from the 1978 Grease set Olivia Newton John still looking good! Then a 1954 Topps Scoops card, the tough Number 1 card in the set April 19, 1906 San Francisco Earth Quake. Finally a single 1961 Topps stamp Johnny Klippstein who I am going to glue in my original 1961 Topps stamp book:) > The fire is still burning even though it's warmed up to 57, and I'm streaming "The Carpenters" on Pandora sorry about that. It's been a good day, and thanks Gord for thinking of me! > Guru ================= Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:57:17 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob , Samuel , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #14! One of the 2013 defending champions here ;)
A long, long dry spell was broken by my weird numbers last year...while everyone wants 7,0,4 in their number string, I won with some atypical digits.
I got a very nice OBC reward package too!
Sean, I'd like to join again!
OBC Forever,
Brian

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================= To: "Jake Elwell" , Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 16:49:44 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab Net54 has frequent threads about de-slabbing...There are You Tube videos available to demonstrate best methods. I'm sure we all enjoy our cards in our own way. I like my prewar cards slabbed...http://www.sgccardregistry.com/usersets.aspx?user1590 I like my vintage Topps and Bowman cards in binders. Most of my shiny 1988 to present cards ended up in the Otter Creek, RutlandVT so I don't have to even worry about the boxes. Thank you Hurricane Irene!!!! I have a couple "big name" cards from Topps or Bowman slabbed only since I bought them that way, and I'll de-slab them once the binders are full enough to need them. I really like flipping the pages of the binder and seeing NO empty binder slots :) OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug To: Jake Elwell Cc: cardclctor@aol.com ; Jeffrey Delott ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 2:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab Does anyone think there is another forum anywhere that has discussions onhow to de-slab cards? We may represent the majority of collectors who have ever had this discussion! Go OBC! Sent from my iPad On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:43 PM, Jake Elwell wrote: I did like Ken except I used a hack saw and cut the top off about a half inch above the card. Then I pried with a screwdriver. My utility knife just wasn't doing the trick. Both I and my 61 Yaz were pleased with the result. On Jan 25, 2014, at 3:55 PM, "cardclctor@aol.com" wrote: I always used a utility knife (or a case cutter, as they're more readily abailable) and scored around the edges of the slab, then took a flathead screwdriver and slowly pried apart the two halves. Hope that helps, Ken M Sent from my MetroPCS 4G Android device ------ Original message------ Date: Sat, 1/25/2014 3:43 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Subject:[OBC-Ramblings] de-Slab It's been a while since I tried to free a card from its plastic prison. Last time I just smashed it with a hammer. Is there a better way? Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: 26 Jan 2014 18:46:13 -0800 To: From: Subject: good books ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:48:03 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jake Elwell Subject: 1955 Bowman Football 150 George Ratterman Cleveland Browns QB Hi Filler | eBay Note the description -- he's singing our song. I'll bid on it if no one else does, just to give it a sympathetic new home. http://www.ebay.com/itm/171228783796?_trksidp2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:10:50 -0800 To: Jake Elwell From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 Bowman Football 150 George Ratterman Cleveland Browns QB Hi Filler | eBay Love the description. I have a 72 Frank Howard that I refuse to upgrade bcI remember finding it on the street while walking to the school bus in 4thgrade. Ed W Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:48 AM, Jake Elwell wrote: > Note the description -- he's singing our song. I'll bid on it if no one else does, just to give it a sympathetic new home. > http://www.ebay.com/itm/171228783796?_trksidp2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageNameSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT ================= Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:03:52 -0800 To: OBC Ramblings From: Rick Subject: Tom Killeen For you net54 people do you know Thomas Killeen it says he is from Boston. I might work out a trade with him for some 52 high numbers if any of have dealt with him. Rick Sent from my iPad ================= To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 07:21:17 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion I cannot believe I would ever "inspire" anyone to OVERPAY for anything. I know I would not encourage anyone to do so. My newest OBC type slogan is, "If you wait, it will come." Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 26, 2014 1:54 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion Finally managed to put away the 1977 Hostess set. The guys are surprisingly tough. Thanks to these guys: Reed, Mead, Stamper, Gersh, Donaldson, Hattox, Welk, Fitts,Talbot, JSG, Rich and probably others for hits along the way. I'm going to credit Mike Rich with the set kill and he recently hit theshort list and inspired me to overpay a bit to finish it. Thanks everyone! ================= To: OCT group , VCT group Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 15:10:43 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: card shops east of Philly Anyone know any? I will be in NJ east of Philly sometime this coming week and wonder if there are any vintage shops in the area. Richard D ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:24:10 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Peter" Subject: NHL Stadium Series... Content-Disposition: inline Hello all! Denice and I were fortunate to be recipients of tickets to the Kings vs. Ducks extravaganza and Dodger Stadium thanks to our Brother In Law's business. They got a couple of tics to the Stadium Series because they buy so many tickets for other sporting events... First time I arrived at Dodger Stadium an hour early and felt like I was late... I mean the place was nearly full already! 54,999 was the number announced and 90% stayed until the final buzzer in spite of the home team Kings being down 2-0 at the beginning of the 3rd (empty net goal made the final 3-0). We sat in the Left Field Reserved seats (tickets marked $199) and it was a good view. We were just off the corner of the rink as it was positioned across the diamond and could see the puck pretty well - only a bit was hidden by the boards. The Kings defended the goal closer to us twice - so if they had scored at the other end in the 1st or 3rd period we would have had a good look at that. KISS performed before the game and after the first period with lots of goodshowmanship - but they are not my cup of tea - However, I did feel sorry for them-I mean everyone was there to watch Hockey not listen to them play... Also 5 for Fighting played a couple of songs after the second period and they were great - much more to my taste. Marty McSorley introduced them. Also Wayne Gretzky dropped the ceremonial puck and Vin Sculley welcomed Bob Miller (Kings HOF Announcer) and was a welcome addition to hockey. There was also beach volleyball in left field, pee-wee street hockey aroundhome plate and a small stage there (for 5 for fighting) and one in left field with pyrotechnic stuff that KISS used. Fireworks after the final buzzeras There were almost NO ushers in the place and a lot of people wandered around looking for their seats. Parking was $20 for general rather than the $10 the new Dodger owners had reduced it to this year. They started running outof beer in the middle of the second period! All that was left when I went up was Dos Equis in the 24oz tin... But, the crowd was enthusiastic and very well behaved. I was glad we went and count myself fortunate to have had the opportunity. Without the gift of tickets it would not have happened... Speaking of tickets - if you have read this far and want to start a collection of tickets to the Stadium Series - I have a couple to send out. Let me know and I will mail you one - but I warn you...in good OBC fashion I took the tickets and a small NHL Dodger Stadium Map I got at the gate to my office and pinned them to the bulletin board for all to see - so there are pin holes in each... Hope any of you who make it to a Stadium Series game this year share your experiences. Go Kings Go Blackhawks Do THIS before eating carbs (every time) 1 EASY tip to increase fat-burning, lower blood sugar & decrease fat storage http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/52e9e23b2047c623a3d6bst03vuc ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 00:27:26 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: can you tell a Leaf reprint from a scan? I would assume that the card is almost certainly a reprint given that it isa Ruth and not advertised in a way that would max the value - but is thereany way to tell from a scan? I am not familiar with the Leaf issue. I am a little more familiar with a Sport King cyclist and skier that look legit and I might want to buy one; of course I tend to assume that no one would go through a lot of trouble to fake a $20 card. OBC what is your judgement? http://www.ebay.com/itm/BASEBALL-CARD-BABE-RUTH-/310860669927?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem4860bd63e7 Ed Pike ================= To: "'Ed Pike'" , Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:43:35 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell a Leaf reprint from a scan? Gut feeling here says bogus. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Pike Sent: January-29-14 9:27 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell a Leaf reprint from a scan? I would assume that the card is almost certainly a reprint given that it is a Ruth and not advertised in a way that would max the value - but is there any way to tell from a scan? I am not familiar with the Leaf issue. I am a little more familiar with a Sport King cyclist and skier that look legit and I might want to buy one; of course I tend to assume that no one would go through a lot of trouble to fake a $20 card. OBC what is your judgement? http://www.ebay.com/itm/BASEBALL-CARD-BABE-RUTH-/310860669927?pt=US_Baseball &hash=item4860bd63e7 Ed Pike No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3684/7044 - Release Date: 01/29/14 ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 02:27:55 -0500 To: Grant Rainsley , 'Ed Pike' , " " From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell a Leaf reprint from a scan? ================= To: =?utf-8?B?RWQgUGlrZQ==?= ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 08:18:32 GMT From: "cardclctor@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] can you tell a Leaf reprint from a scan? ================= Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 05:46:13 -0700 (MST) To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "eBay Member: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com" Subject: rrrlyons1 thought you might like this item on eBay An eBay member wants to show you this item Hi! I found this on eBay and thought you might like it! Check it out now! 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Designated trademarks and brands are the property of their respective eBay and the eBay logo are trademarks of eBay Inc. eBay Inc. is located at 2145 Hamilton Avenue, San Jose, CA 95125. ================= To: Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 07:55:41 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: can you tell a Leaf reprint from a scan? Interesting. The one you found of Ruth has his shoulders not touching the borders. The graded examples on eBay and the reprint examples all seem to show his shoulders meeting the border. The reprints on eBay are really sneaky with just the tiny printing of "Reprint" in the bottom right corner. Seems like that could be easily erased or masked. The clipped corners don't look good and I would wonder about the story that it came along with a bunch of 80s hockey cards. Dunno about the Sport Kings cards, but I think they were reprinted as well. Doesn't smell perfect. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 10:50:29 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jake Elwell Subject: Baseball card art in NYC Should be pretty interesting =85 Bergino's Clubhouse in NYC is hosting a charity event, auctioning original art pieces made from old baseball cards. I'll try to get down there next Thurs and will report. http://www.bergino.com/Articles.asp?ID134 ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 20:14:03 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Last chance to get into the 14th OBC superbowl pool! I will be picking the numbers first thing tomorrow morning. Let me know if you want in. So far we have 23... a good turnout, but we can do better :) Check out last years pool at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm let me know and watch for the squares in the morning! Go OBC!