================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 07:52:35 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: waiver wire 1970 Topps football poster #5 I have an extra 1970 Topps football poster insert #5-Willie Brown..................."its up for grabs" really nice shape. Include name and mailing address, for quicker response. Ken Goetsch ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 07:56:31 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: forgot mention these 3 Also up for grabs...... 1968 Topps football "stand-ups"............. not punched-Jim Hart "punched"-Frank Ryan 1970 Topps football supers #9-Larry Wilson. Include address..... Thanks again for the interruption. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 11:27:58 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Mike Diamanti Subject: (Dealer Scum) Beckett Vintage mag. #1 and #2 Greetings Cardboard Nuts: While purging my filing cabinet, I found a couple of items I had forgotten about from 1996. "Vintage Sports" #1 (Mickey Mantle -- Premiere Issue) and #2 (Jim Brown) on the cover. Rather than go through the Ebay process, I'm throwing them out for bid. Highest bidder for one or both gets them (postage paid by me). And I will send half the final bid to the charity of choice from the winning bidder. Coffeedude in Coupeville (PS Please bid directly to me, not through the OBC servers. My e-mail is: islandcoffeeman@gmail.com) ================= To: drsam9795@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2013 21:14:09 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: Candidate for "OBC Friendly" Certified Sorry for the delay in responding, but I am still trying to catch up on e-mails from when the computer was down. Mark is a great guy and has my vote. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: drsam9795 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 19, 2013 12:31 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: Candidate for "OBC Friendly" Certified Dealer Status HIGHLY recommend. I actually went to the National with Mark and Danny Phillips this year. I wouldn't say that I really "worked" for him, but I did spend a lot of time behind his table. I even met a few of you there for the first time at Mark's booth, Tom, Wes, Mark Talbot, Guru, others were introduced, but I was such a newbie, I didn't remember everyone. Mark is a great guy. He has been a dealer for years in upper Michigan, and does as many shows as any dealer in the Midwest. He frequents the Dayton-Cincy area and the Akron-Cleveland area as well as a lot in Chicago-Milwaukee. He does a show in St. Louis and on in New Jersey, too, but I don't remember where exactly. He's hones t to a fault, and LOVES talking to people, especially about the Tigers and the GB Packers. He usually has higher end cards than what most OBCers prefer, but he buys in huge quantity and lots, so he has a lot of offgrade stuff that he sells very cheap, and will give extra OBC discounts ifyou ask him. I give him a big thumbs up. Sam Taylor ---In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, wrote: Hi guys, Just wondering if anyone else out there - especially those of you in the Michigan/Ohio area -would be interested in giving a thumbs-up to Mark Smith as a Certified OBC-Friendly dealer (and thus be added to our Dealer page)? Any such candidate needs at least 5 recommendations from OBC'ers in order to be considered. I always look forward to seeing Mark at shows. He's a very nice guy, alwaystakes time to talk to us, and always gives additional discounts on top of his already-low prices to our group members. I ran into him again on Saturday at a show; I called Wes, who came to the show also & hung out with us. Mark is almost always at the big shows in the area - Dayton, Columbus, Strongsville, Cincinnati, and the Detroit area; he's always at the National - usually set up next to Danny Phillips. I have a picture somewhere if someonecan't place Mark's name but might recognize his face. So, what say you all? My recommendation is 1. I'm betting Wes will endorse Mark also. Anyone else? If we can get at least 5, then we can present Mark to the AC as a candidate. (And BTW, Mark knows nothing about this. Just me, trying to get a deservingdealer listed on our Certified Dealer page.) ================= Date: 01 Dec 2013 18:17:05 -0800 To: From: Subject: Moeller Show Recap ================= Date: 01 Dec 2013 18:20:15 -0800 To: From: Subject: Working in Cleveland ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2013 20:43:39 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: "Best High School football fans in CT" contest Sorry for the interruption. Some of you have met my son Connor who attended a couple of the Nationals with me. He's a senior in high school and his team is trying to win the "most school spirit" award from the local news channel. Below is a video of a recent game. Connor is wearing the big "Ken Morganti-ish" yellow hat. He appears in the video a few times especially at 0:40.http://sportzedge.com/2013/11/23/fan-friday-titan-pit-powers-team-in-season-= If you get a chance please vote for Sheehan High School. Voting goes untilmidnight EST on Monday so not much time left. It's currently 876 to 866 Here's the link to vote: http://sportzedge.com/2013/11/27/sportzedge-on-the-scene-best-football-fans-contest/5/ There's a black box about one page down that says "Who has the best High School football fans". Choices are Woodland or Sheehan. Please vote for Sheehan. ================= Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2013 01:36:41 -0500 (EST) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Working in Cleveland Content-Language: en Hey Mike, Isn't that more like living the nightmare? In a message dated 12/1/2013 9:20:19 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: As part of my new work responsibilities, I will be living the dream, and spending much of December in Cleveland. This week, I expect to be there Tuesday through Thursday nites, if anyone is available to get together, please pet me know. My cell (248) 709-2235. Before heading out of town, I was able to get to the PO yesterday and sent out 10 envelopes. If you were expecting an envelope from me, it should be on the mail, plus a few envelopes, that are likely not expected. Mike Rich ================= To: "Obc Ramblings" Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 18:21:27 +0100 From: "Rob Gioia" Subject: How are you? http://asmteknoloji.com/travelsturkey.info/facebook.php?chfuhagha632uawweme Grelb's Commentary on Colvard's Logical Premises: Likelihoods, however, are 90% against you. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2013 17:16:10 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Show & Tell Don't do this too often, but sometimes you need to show the new cards off. Lots of T205 collectors in the group, so I know it will be appreciated...Campy isn't bad either. (hope the pic comes through) ================= Date: 04 Dec 2013 20:17:24 -0800 To: From: Subject: Football Waiver ================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 03:24:35 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Almost there!! I woke up this morning to find that I'd nailed the 1966T #526 Twins Team card on ebay for just $13. Wow! That leaves only #589 Lou Klimchock to knock off a set that I started in March 2000. Over 13 years in the making and I'm now within touching distance....... Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 08:59:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: FCFS coke caps I have three groups still available: 1. 1966 Cleveland Browns lot of 9 caps 2. 1965 and 1966 Dallas Cowboys lot 3 Bob Lilly caps and one Don Meredith caps 3. LA Rams 1965 four Merlin Olsen caps FCFS any unclaimed caps will be sent to Marshall Wests "Coke Room" ================= To: Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 20:10:40 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: When did you start collecting JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. If you are still with me, thanks for the read! Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 17:48:36 -0800 (PST) To: Mark Holland , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Mark -- Great topic! I personally have been collecting since i bought my first packs in 1974=E2=A6never stopped! I had to lock the dorm room door to trade with a college buddy of mine, since we didn't want to get caught doing something as nerdy as trading cards. I built up most of the Topps sets along the way, but they didn't do much for me=E2=A6except maybe the 1953 set and my virgin 1974 set. I've been trading off my 1959slately=E2=A6just an ugly set if you ask me. I traded away my 1973set earlier this year. I'm not sure how many I'll end up keeping, since trading gives me "currency" that I might not otherwise have for my pre-war In 1981, I bought my first T205s and was hooked. It took me about 20 years, but I completed that set and moved on to the T202 set. A couple years ago, the T-card back craze took hold. Since I always loved those T205s, I decided to divert my T202 priority to a Sovereign-backed set of T205s and T206s. The reason I picked Sovereign is that it had most of the Cubs, but not the Cobb=E2=A6didn't want to buy another one of those. I also latched on to Dick Hoblitzell cards along the way, so I keep my eye out for those as well. Good stuff=E2=A6let's hear more! Take Care, > From: Mark Holland >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:10 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting >JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. >Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as itexploded and started running ads to buy everyone's cards. He gave meboxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. >In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I wouldstill rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. >But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set inabout 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. >I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 box. >Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend yourhobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. >If you are still with me, thanks for the read! >Mark Holland >http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ================= Date: 05 Dec 2013 19:19:57 -0800 To: From: Subject: Waiver Wire ================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 23:59:59 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Joel Freedman Subject: Cracking One Open someone commented that the group liked to crack things open, please look at before and after! [image: Inline image 1] [image: Inline image 2] In the binder!!! Thanks for looking, ================= Date: Thu, 5 Dec 2013 21:42:50 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting I first started following baseball in 1972 as a 7 year old. That summer we moved from San Antonio, Texas to Battle Creek, Michigan and I discovered the game and began cheering for the Detroit Tigers as they battled to make the Playoffs. They won the AL East that year but lost the ALCS toOakland, a series I remember for Bert Campaneris throwing his bat at Lerrin Lagrow. But I digress.... I don't recall collecting cards that year - I probably didn't even know that there were baseball cards until a friend of mine I met that fall in school introduced them to me. So in 1973 I began buying cards (10 cards for a dime as I recall) and trading with my friend. While not the best of designs, the 1973 Topps card holds a special place in my heart. I collected up until about 1978 or so, but by then my collecting interest hadtailed It was somewhere around 1982 that my interest was rekindled. By then we were living in Omaha, Nebraska. I bought a complete set from LarryFritsch and also discovered a baseball card shop in town. One of my first purchases from the shop was a 1973 Willie Mays (a card that had eluded me 9 years earlier), figuring that any baseball card collection should have a Mays. Around the same time I learned that my old friend from Battle Creek had sold his collection at a garage sale somewhere along the way.I remember telling him that a George Brett rookie card was worth like $20 at the time and I recall him being upset at how cheaply he had disposed of his collection. ThankfullyI still had mine, and in addition to going to baseball card shops I began going to shows and buying cards thru Around the same time, I developed an interest in baseball history and beganpicking up "older" cards (for me, at the time, the 1950s fit the bill). Eventually I got serious about completing the sets from my childhood (1973-1978), and from there I branched back and started working on older sets. In a nutshell that's how I got where I am today. Great topic Mark. I'm looking forward to hearing other stories. Mike Mackie From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 7:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a longtime. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a MickeyMantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I gotdistracted with other things (not to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked oncollecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 box. Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (likea family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), thosethreads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparkedthis much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. If you are still with me, thanks for the read! Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. ================= Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2013 13:31:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: When did you start collecting Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family at the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of thefirst pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this day. I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got a vending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or aspart of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was my set closest to completion. I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything else got in the way. I do recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver that day, so I leftthe money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However,the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards, but ahouse! After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in my Topps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history. Thanks for starting this up, Mark! Mike Mroz --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" wrote: > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long > time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn > how our cyber friends started their collections. > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I > was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. > So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were > they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping > Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano > or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I > remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still > remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I > continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not > to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put > everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine > got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy > everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to > fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on > collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still > rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in > addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps > pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature > Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have > thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor > league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps > Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 > years. Not going to spend that much money. > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. > Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 > Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still > some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle > Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 > box. > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like > a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 > Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh > show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn > about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the > pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in > learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby > dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving > the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are > priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought > about the hobby we all enjoy. > If you are still with me, thanks for the read! > Mark > Mark Holland > OBC > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 09:50:56 -0500 (EST) To: mfmroz@prodigy.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Content-Language: en 1967, I was 10 and not much of a baseball fan. But the neighborhood was big on cards and I loved flipping them, trading them and reading them. There was so much information. Soon I was a fan of the game. I collected for about 5 years and then it was no longer cool so I put them I had traded back for some older cards and in 1983 while I was in her kitchen my mother was holding a 1957 Hank Aaron card in a sleeve and asked,"do you still want this or should I just throw it out?" I was amazed. "You saved that card for me?" I had assumed they were all long lost, we'd moved many times when I was a kid and things didn't always survive a move. "I saved the whole box" and there it was in the dining room. Mostly 60's, a few 57's, my birth year and still favorite year for Topps, and some 70's. About 1500 cars in all and certainly enough to ignite a new passion for the I am still not much of a fan of the game. I was but the 81 strike hurt me and the greed of the 94 strike did me in, but I love cardboard. Bob Bannon In a message dated 12/6/2013 8:32:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mfmroz@prodigy.net writes: Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still collect. As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family at the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of the first pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this day. I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got a vending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or as part of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was my set closest to completion. I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything else got in the way. I recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver that day, so I left the money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However, the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards, but a After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in my Topps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history. Thanks for starting this up, Mark! Mike Mroz --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" wrote: > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a > time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn > how our cyber friends started their collections. > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I > was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. > So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what > they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping > Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil > or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I > remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I > remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I > continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things > to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom > everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of > got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy > everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to > fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked > collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still > rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in > addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps > pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature > Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have > thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor > league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps > Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 > years. Not going to spend that much money. > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. > Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 > Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are > some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle > Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 > box. > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen > a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 > Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh > show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really > about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the > pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in > learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby > dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and > the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are > priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much > about the hobby we all enjoy. > If you are still with me, thanks for the read! > Mark > Mark Holland > OBC > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 14:38:29 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Bob Saxton Subject: Re: When did you start collecting I started collecting baseball cards in 1954. My best friend Jon lived two doors from us, and his older brother collected cards. When their family moved away my parents bought that house. When we moved in I discovered a big pile of 53 Topps in a corner of the garage floor, most in decent condition, but many wet and damaged. I salvaged what I could and those were the start of my collection. Still have them. Then I realized that each year when the new cards came out most of my friends were willing to give, trade, or otherwise dispose of the previous years cards for next to nothing. So each year I would buy what new ones I could afford and dicker and deal for as many older cards as I could get. There were two mom&pop grocery stores within a block of our house, so my paper route money, instead of going into a college fund, went to buy cards. I also enjoyed collecting non-sports, Flags of the World, Look n See, etc. By high school I had built up a pretty good collection. Then, as happens, life intervenes. College, job, marriage, kids, etc. I had left my cards in boxes in my bedroom closet when I went to college, and mom just left them there, along with my brother's nearly complete set of Classics Illustrated comics (the source or many high school book reports, to the chagrin of my father the English teacher). Sometime during the 1970s I came across a copy of Beckett Price Guide and went back home to find my old collection. Thought I had a fortune in cards but when condition came into play, not so much. The Beckett became my check list, helping me fill in sets and identify cards I'd forgotten about. The 70s, 80s and early 90s were busy times, too hectic for much involvementwith the cardboard beside occasionally sorting and looking at them on a cold winter's night. In the mid-later 90s I began doing some trading online and buying a few cards on eBay. Made some trades with Steve Rittenbergand a few other OBCers who invited me to join the group in 1999. Like many, there are sometimes long periods when other interests and responsibilities take precedence, but OBC is what put the fun back in the cardboard forme. Bob Saxton ================= To: Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:39:36 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting come on now, only 6 people shared how they started collecting? Let us know the secret to building those T205 sets. I have 3/4 of one in my type card collecting. Share the secrets boys and quit hoarding the pre war cards. Have really enjoyed reading the responses so far. You know, we all want toknow how the guru got started. I can't imagine him ever opening a fresh pack of cards. If he did, the 10 year old guru probably immediately bent and creased it to suit his collecting preference and to keep his buddies fromwanting Have a nice weekend. From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini_grad_90@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:49 PM To: Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Mark -- Great topic! I personally have been collecting since i bought my first packs in 1974=E2=A6never stopped! I had to lock the dorm room door to trade with a college buddy of mine, since we didn't want to get caught doing something as nerdy as trading cards. I built up most of the Topps sets alongthe way, but they didn't do much for me=E2=A6except maybe the 1953 set and my virgin 1974 set. I've been trading off my 1959s lately=E2=A6justan ugly set if you ask me. I traded away my 1973 set earlier this year. I'm not sure how many I'll end up keeping, since trading gives me "currency" that I might not otherwise have for my pre-war cards. In 1981, I bought my first T205s and was hooked. It took me about 20 years, but I completed that set and moved on to the T202 set. A couple years ago, the T-card back craze took hold. Since I always loved those T205s, I decided to divert my T202 priority to a Sovereign-backed set of T205s and T206s. The reason I picked Sovereign is that it had most of the Cubs, but notthe Cobb=E2=A6didn't want to buy another one of those. I also latched on to Dick Hoblitzell cards along the way, so I keep my eye out for those as Good stuff=E2=A6let's hear more! Take Care, From: Mark Holland To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a longtime. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what werethey, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not to bementioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone'scards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked oncollecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would stillrather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box wecould find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 BlueBacks, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 box. Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (likea family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. If you are still with me, thanks for the read! Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:02:15 -0600 To: Mark Holland From: john harrell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting I was 5 or 6 when i got my first pack of 51 Bowmans around 1952. What I distinctly remember was when the 52's came out and I saw Topps cards for the first time, I thought "WOW" what a difference from the Bowmans. I was an active collector from then to 1964, then put what I had left, away and did not look at cards again until 76 (grad school). Took another hiatus from 82 to 88 and have been collecting since then. I began prewar collecting around 92 and that has remained my main focus. On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 6:39 PM, Mark Holland wrote: > come on now, only 6 people shared how they started collecting? Let us > know the secret to building those T205 sets. I have 3/4 of one in my type > card collecting. Share the secrets boys and quit hoarding the pre war > cards. Have really enjoyed reading the responses so far. You know, we all > want to know how the guru got started. I can't imagine him ever opening a > fresh pack of cards. If he did, the 10 year old guru probably immediately > bent and creased it to suit his collecting preference and to keep his > buddies from wanting it. > Have a nice weekend. > Mark > *From:* Geno Wagner [mailto:illini_grad_90@yahoo.com] > *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:49 PM > *To:* Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting > Mark -- > Great topic! I personally have been collecting since i bought my first > packs in 1974=85never stopped! I had to lock the dorm room door to trade > with a college buddy of mine, since we didn't want to get caught doing > something as nerdy as trading cards. I built up most of the Topps sets > along the way, but they didn't do much for me=85except maybe the 1953 setand > my virgin 1974 set. I've been trading off my 1959s lately=85just an uglyset > if you ask me. I traded away my 1973 set earlier this year. I'm not sure > how many I'll end up keeping, since trading gives me "currency" that I > might not otherwise have for my pre-war cards. > In 1981, I bought my first T205s and was hooked. It took me about 20 > years, but I completed that set and moved on to the T202 set. A couple > years ago, the T-card back craze took hold. Since I always loved those > T205s, I decided to divert my T202 priority to a Sovereign-backed set of > T205s and T206s. The reason I picked Sovereign is that it had most of the > Cubs, but not the Cobb=85didn't want to buy another one of those. I also > latched on to Dick Hoblitzell cards along the way, so I keep my eye out for > those as well. > Good stuff=85let's hear more! > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > *From:* Mark Holland > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:10 PM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a > long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all > learn how our cyber friends started their collections. > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I > was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. > So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were > they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping > Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano > or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I > remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I > still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I > continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not > to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom > put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of > mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy > everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to > fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked > on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would > still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in > addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps > pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature > Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have > thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor > league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps > Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 > years. Not going to spend that much money. > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. > Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 > Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still > some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle > Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 > box. > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen > (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my > 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the > Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and > really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image > having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really > interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend > your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about > and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those > threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this > much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. > If you are still with me, thanks for the read! > Mark > Mark Holland > OBC > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > ------------------------------ > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirusprotection is active. > ------------------------------ > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirusprotection is active. ================= Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:05:07 -0800 (PST) To: "biggies@aol.com" , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting This thread is kind of freaking me out, so it has taken me a whileto decide how to respond. What follows isreally lengthy but I encourage the newer members that are still learning what OBC is all about to try and stay with me. The first freak out pointis thatover the weekend I had an opportunityfor a briefvisit with Al, one of my buddies from back in the day who I had not seen in almost 40 years. We startedtalking about the old neighborhood andsoon the conversation went to our card collecting. The more we talked the more we stimulatedmemories in each other.He reminded meof the time we went toFanger's Marketwhere we each bought a few packs of cardsand had a few pennies leftthat wepooledto buya pack to share.That bad idea led toan argument about who got the Reno Bertoia card that was in that pack.I said I should get it because I put inone more penny then he did and he said he should get it because I had2 Tiger runsalready and he had only one.Note: in our neighborhood a team run wasa teams starting lineup placed face up 3 across & 3 down, kind of like a 9card Ultra Pro sans the pockets and plastic. We both remembered that we did speak to each other for weeks afterward, although neither of us could rememberwhich one of us got Reno. Nor could we rememberexactly how we played theteam runsgame other then that 2 players laid theirteam lineupsout and then took turns turning over the cards, somehow using the numbers on the backto keep score?Does anyone remember such a game or was ita Flint neighborhood invention?At any rate, Al and I had a two hour conversation of which probablyan hour and a half of it was devoted to card collecting, including my participation in OBC.Al informed me that he unfortunately lost his cardcollection when hislittle brother sold themduring Al'sduty inViet Nam. OK, back on task: I was kind of late to the party regarding serious card collecting. That wasin 1958. I was 12 years old and I think most of theother kids in myneighborhoodstarted around 8 or 10. I think it had to do with finances. My father did not believe in allowances so I had to wait until I got my first paper route to buy cards in a quantity sufficient to call it collecting. I will remember forever my first Mickey Mantle card. One of my younger friendspulled the58 Mantle from a pack and immediatelyreplaced thecard inhis bike spokes with the Mantle. He hated the Yankees and particularly Mickey Mantle.When we got back to his house he took thecard offhisspokes and threw it on the ground. I hated the Yankees toobutthis was Mickey Mantle for cripes sake. I still have that card! I stopped collectingat 17after a girlfriend called it childish. The things we did for love even if it was only ofthe puppy A lot of you guys already know "the rest of the story" but here goes again.In the summer of 1988 my then 7 year old son Dustin, came to me with a handful of baseball cards and asked me if I collectedwhen I was a kid. Isaid that I did and then he asked what happened to the cards. I told him Iwasn't sure and that maybe the next time we went to see Grandma we would ask her. A couple days later Dustin came home with a price guide and asked what years I collected. When I told him 1958 through about 61 or62, heasked me if I had a 58 Mantle. I said yes and proceeded to tell him theMantle cardstory.When I was finished he looked at his guide and said "do you know what a 58 Mantle is worth today?" After he told me I said "get in the car son, we are going to Grandma's."I called mydepression raised mom who never threw anything out and told her we were on our way. Sure enough up in the attic in my dads Navy trunk was a boot box full of baseball cards. Thereafter Dustin and I beganthe projectof collecting Tigerteamsets, attendingcard shows regularly untilhegotinto his teens and begin to lose interest. I continued to collectand attend a card show from time to time but nothing like when it wasa father & sonactivity.Once in a whileDustin would ask how the Tigers run was going and look through the binders at the latest additions. To this day our card collecting years hold many wonderful memories about my son. Atsome point I told him thatit was getting harderand harder to find the vintagecards and that I was about ready to call it quitsand just collect the UV Tiger sets. Being a computersavvy20 year old he asked meif I searched for card collecting groups on line. With his assistance I stumbled across OBC and have been here every since. Now comes the second reason this thread freaked me out. Againasmany of you know, Dustin died on December 1, 2005.For this subject ofwhen we started collecting to come upwithin days of the anniversary of his deathas well asthe visit with anold collecting buddy, is beyond coincidence in my mind. Especially when you add to the mix that on Sunday (December 1st) I picked up a copy of Mitch Albom's latest book"First Phone Call From Heaven" and read it in one setting. To this day I am overwhelmed when I think of the response by OBC following Dustin's death. MY wife and family will forever remember the support we received from this incrediblegroup. I vividly remember phone calls from a number of OBCer's including several from our Canadian friend Grant Rainsley. We were somewhat surprisedand very appreciative when Mark Talbot showed up for the memorial service and deeply touched by those that expressed regrets that time and distance precluded their attendance. ManyOBCer's assured usthat they would be there in spirit. We are also humbled andvery grateful for those that participated inOBC's "DZK Auction" that resulted in amostgenerous donationto The Dustin Zold Kilbourn Memorial Foundation that we established to sendyoungsters to U of M Hockey Camp.Those donations have helped send 6 underprivileged youngsters to camp over the past 8 years. Words areinadequateto express whatI am feeling right now but I am sure that if anyone knows it is my OBC Family. Thanks toMarkHollandfor providing me with a very timelyopportunity to sharewhat OBC is really about. Earl Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" From: "biggies@aol.com" To: mfmroz@prodigy.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 6, 2013 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting 1967, I was 10 and not much of a baseball fan. But the neighborhood was big on cards and I loved flipping them, trading them and reading them. There was much information. Soon I was a fan of the game.I collected for about 5 years and then it was no longer cool so I put them I had traded back for some older cards and in 1983 while I was in her kitchen my mother was holding a 1957 Hank Aaron card in a sleeve and asked,"do you still want this or should I just throw it out?" I was amazed. "You saved that card for me?" I had assumed they were all long lost, we'd moved many times when I was a kid and things didn't always survive a move. "I saved the whole box" and there it was in the dining room. Mostly 60's, a few 57's, my birth year and still favorite year for Topps, and some 70's. About 1500 cars in all and certainly enough to ignite a new passion for the I am still not much of a fan of the game. I was but the 81 strike hurt me and the greed of the 94 strike did me in,but I love cardboard. Bob Bannon In a message dated 12/6/2013 8:32:03 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, mfmroz@prodigy.net writes: >Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still >As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of the first pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this >I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got a vending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or as part of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was my set closest to completion. >I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything else got the way. I do recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver thatday, so I left the money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However, the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards,but a house! >After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in my Topps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history. >Thanks for starting this up, >Mike Mroz >--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" wrote: >> JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long >> time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn >> how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when >> was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the >> So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were >> they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping >> Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano >> or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I >> remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still >> remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I >> continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not >> to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put >> everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine >> got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy >> everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to >> fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. >> In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on >> collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still >> rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in >> addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps >> pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, >> Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have >> thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants >> But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor >> league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps >> Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 >> years. Not going to spend that much money. >> I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. >> Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 >> Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are >> some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle >> Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 >> box. >> Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like >> a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 >> Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really >> about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the >> pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in >> learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby >> dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving >> the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are >> priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought >> about the hobby we all >> If you are still with me, thanks for the read! >> Mark >> Mark >> OBC http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ >> --- >> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2013 04:00:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: My (long) collection story My brother and I collected cards and comic books growing up. I don't remember much about getting many of the early cards but 1971 was the start of both baseball and football--we got more each year and came very close to a 1979 set and then nothing. 1980 didn't even exist in our collection so I guess the summer I turned 15 I had much better things to do! Early memories include swapping all of our hockey cards for comics and baseball cards. I loved the Avengers and Fantastic Four-- my brother like Spiderman so it wasn't hard to swap--- not sure how we determined what was "fair"! I also remember the gem of our collection was a card from "all the wayback" in 1969. I seemed to appreciate old cardboard even as a kid. I collected Pirates and my brother wanted all the Dodgers. One of my special memories of my dad was of coming home from school-- he gave us a big smile and told us to go to our room-- spread out on each of our pillows was 10 or so packs of cards-- no idea of the year but the memory is one of the first to pop up when I remember my dad! Our collection sat dormant through most of high school. At some point I entered into some sort of swap with my brother that gave him all of our cards(which he has somewhere)--think I got the comics. All I had left were some '70's stars...but that was OK with me! Then in the late 80's I discovered cards again-- I collected all of the new stuff (junk?) and stumbled into vintage--- I bought and sold lots of stuff that I still need today-- '68 Ryan- '58 Maris and gulp a '54 Ernie Banks RC. I've told a few my horrible story but I traded Mr.Cub for a few Clemente cards (that I later sold--for beer $$?) and numerous boxes of '88 Donruss!!! The cardboard gods will makesure that Mr. Banks is the last '54 I get!! Then my interest died off again. In 2003 or 2004 I came across a vintage card show. I ended up picking up afew Pirates and Phillies (including Ashburn) from the 1954 set and decidedthat would be something nice to have--- all the Pirates and Phillies from that year. Bought a couple here and there but paid way too much! Then in late 2004 I went to another card show-- a dealer had a '54 reprint set thatI thought would be awesome to have..so I brought my group of '70's cards... in great shape--lots of late '70's stars and rookies (Ozzie, Eddie Murray, Yount etc.) that I figured I could swap for the reprint set--- no deal-- the dealer though my cards were basically junk....so I went home upset. I figured someone would value these more than this guy and I found online trading and eventually OBC. I started with a small goal--some Pirates and maybe a '67 set. Soon I had more sets than I could imagine going on--- my small group of stars were swapped and I was in knee deep. It was easy going at first-- I could pick up alarge group of low grade cards and I needed almost all of them--- it has gotten tougher over the years as I've come close to finishing lots of sets--- and as much as I'd like to hope--- I won't find many Aarons or Mantles inthe 50 cent box! I think I like collecting so much because I love remembering the feeling ofseeing that "old" 1969 card--- or the smell of the pack fresh 1978 Piratesin their bright yellow uniforms-- or remembering my dad's surprise on my pillow-- it makes me feel young as I get old(er). OBC is a great group of guys-- it has been one heck of a ride and it hasn'tgotten old yet!! Wow that's a long ramble--- we should come up with a special name for something like that! Any ideas Ken? Brian Betza ================= To: mfmroz@prodigy.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 07:10:16 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting As most can tell from my collection, I have had numerous lucky breaks that allowed me to accumulate the collection I have today. Like many others, I got my first packs when I was 7 in 1968. The Tigers led all the way that year. My mother was and is a HUGE Tigers fan and passed along the love of the game to me. My dad has never been a big fan, but would take us to gamesdue to my mother and my love of it. My parents soon realized that I woulddo almost anything for BB cards. This turned out to be a dream "baby-sitter" for them. During the summer they made a deal with me. If I was "good"that day, after dinner I would get a pack of BB cards. Good was defined as neither of my sisters (both younger) tattling on me and no neighbors calling up to say I did something. On the days I was "bad" (got in trouble forthrowing water balloons, splashing my sisters at the swimming pool, etc.) I would not get a pack. The next day, I was the most angelic kid in the history of the world, to insure I got my cards that day! For a nickel a day,my parents therefore had a built in baby sitter. As Mike Mroz mentioned, my dad was part owner of a drug store that sold cards. I started working in the store, and was paid in packs and photo albums to mount the cards. 2 hours of work equaled 1 photo album, or 8 packs, if I recall. Around age 12, I got a paper route. A weekly subscription was $.90. Many gave me the dime tip. I also had 1 customer who tipped me with unopened 6 packs of 1970 Kellogg's (1 pack per week, and 10 at the holidays). I quickly built a complete set of those 3 or so year old cards. My biggest break came in 1974, when someone at the junior high was moving and "auctioned" off his card collection. I was high bidder for his 5000 card BB collection at $9 and foranother $1 got another 3000 or so, FB, BSKB and hockey cards. This filledin major holes in 1969 - 1974. Ironically this was the first year I was allowed to have dupes. Previously, my mother made me get rid of my dupes atthe end of each year. Instead of pitching them, they were distributed to my buddies. The dupes went to my best friend, the trips to my 2nd best friend, so on, until they were all gone. Guys vied to be "better" friends thenext year to "move up" the pecking order. I did not realize at the time this was a version of buying friends). I then learned of card shops. Therewas a shop known as the Sports Hobbyist on the other side of town (about 45 minutes away) by car. My mother would take me there about once a month and I would spend much of my paper route money. I could get 1965 Topps FB (even then I loved what I considered an oddball issue as a tallboy) for $.03a card. I think the Namath set me back about $5. Then came SCD magazine.I would scour the issues and buy cards through the mail. Purchased complete sets of 1960 Topps BB for $43, 1969 Topps FB for $3, 1948 Bowman BSKB for $80, etc. I had first collected coins and stamps with my mother, and some of the shops started stocking cards. One dealer told me the 75 Topps minis would be valuable, so I bought 9 boxes (wholesale through dad at $5.40 a box), and never opened them (still have 8 of the 9 I think). That got meinto considering that cards had value and I started to try and take bettercare of my cards. More than enough of a ramble. Thanks for the memories. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: zackenback23 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:32 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family at the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of thefirst pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this day. I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got a vending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or aspart of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was my set closest to completion. I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything else got in the way. I do recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver that day, so I leftthe money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However,the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards, but ahouse! After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in my Topps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history. Thanks for starting this up, Mark! Mike Mroz --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" wrote: > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long > time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn > how our cyber friends started their collections. > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I > was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. > So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were > they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping > Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano > or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I > remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still > remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I > continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not > to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put > everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine > got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy > everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to > fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on > collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still > rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in > addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps > pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature > Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have > thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor > league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps > Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 > years. Not going to spend that much money. > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. > Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 > Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still > some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle > Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 > box. > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like > a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 > Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh > show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn > about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the > pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in > learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby > dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving > the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are > priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought > about the hobby we all enjoy. > If you are still with me, thanks for the read! > Mark > Mark Holland > OBC > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 08:01:02 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting I guess I started collecting in 1968 when I was 7. My earliest memory of a card collection was having a bunch of 1968, 69, 70, and 71 cards including 1970 and 1971 Football. A bunch means about 250. There was a family of kids next store who always wanted to get every card from the current year in the early 70's. He would trade 5 old cards for 1 new card. I remember getting a 1969 Hank Aaron card and four others for a 1972 card of someone I never heard of. Everyone once in awhile after that I would buy a pack or two. My allowance was only a 35 cents a week with a dime going to church and a dime to savings. My dad told me the Rockefellers did that and so would I. So, allowance then a paper route got me some cards during the 70s. My brother had a 1969 Mays and I had a 1969 Mantle. We threw darts and winner take all. Only time I ever beat my brother at anything except a round of golf he doesn't remember. In 1977 after my first job started, I started to collect the 1977 set one pack at a time. After having about 600 duplicates, I traded them for about 100 1967 cards. Around that same year I got a newsletter from Gar Miller. I bought a 1957 Red Schoendienst because he was a Giant once. I bought a 1958 Ted Williams for $5 because I heard of him, and 2 T205 for $3 each because they were so cool. I would also find some old cards at a comic book store and buy a complete set each year from 1984 to 1991. In the 80s I starting collecting every Willie McCovey and Juan Marichal card I could. then I started adding other players to it. Then I figured why not get every Topps card from every Giant player. I do not have any story about accumulating large amount of cards through some attic, grandpa, friend, luck, garage sale type of thing, Before the late 90s, I had a collection that I liked with some old cards here and there from players I liked for some reason or another. And a few years ago, I found OBC. Now I read and write emails like these at 3 in the morning. OBC really is a good thing. Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 05:25:53 -0800 (PST) To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Thanks for sharing Mike.Through all of the FOOTogethers I have participated in I don't recall any in-depth discussions along this line. Very interesting tolearn theorigins of Rich's Baseball Card and Sports Memorabilia Museum! How about other FOOTs chiming in here. I'm thinking that a "When did you start collecting" essay could be part of the OBC Membership application. These stories underscore our "CollectingThe WayIt Should Be" philosophy. I've learned a lot about our OBC brethren these past few days, I'm hoping tolearn more the next few days! Not to slight any OBCer, but I'm looking forward to hearing from Morganti, Rittenberg and the Guru. "we keep what we give away!" From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" To: mfmroz@prodigy.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting As most can tell from my collection, I have had numerous lucky breaks that allowed me to accumulate the collection I have today. Like many others, I got my first packs when I was 7 in 1968. The Tigers led all the way that year. My mother was and is a HUGE Tigers fan and passed along the love of the game to me. My dad has never been a big fan, but would take us to games due to my mother and my love of it. My parents soon realized that I would do almost anything for BB cards. This turned out to be a dream "baby-sitter" for them. During the summer they made a deal with me. If I was "good" that day, after dinner I would geta pack of BB cards. Good was defined as neither of my sisters (both younger) tattling on me and no neighbors calling up to say I did something. On the days I was "bad" (got in trouble for throwing water balloons,splashing my sisters at the swimming pool, etc.) I would not get a pack. The next day, I was the most angelic kid in the history of the world, to insure I got my cards that day! For a nickel a day, my parents therefore had a built in baby sitter. As Mike Mroz mentioned, my dad was part owner of a drug store that sold cards. I started working in the store, and was paid in packs andphoto albums to mount the cards. 2 hours of work equaled 1 photo album, or 8 packs, if I recall. Around age 12, I got a paper route. A weekly subscription was $.90. Many gave me the dime tip. I also had 1 customer who tipped me with unopened 6 packs of 1970 Kellogg's(1 pack per week, and 10 at the holidays). I quickly built a complete set of those 3 or so year old cards. My biggest break came in 1974,when someone at the junior high was moving and "auctioned" off his card collection. I was high bidder for his 5000 card BB collection at $9 andfor another $1 got another3000 or so, FB, BSKB and hockey cards. This filled in major holes in 1969 - 1974. Ironically this was the first year I was allowed to have dupes. Previously, my mother made me get rid of my dupes at the end of each year. Instead of pitching them, they were distributed to my buddies. The dupes went to my best friend, the trips to my 2nd best friend, so on, until they were all gone. Guys vied to be "better" friends the next yearto "move up" the pecking order. I did not realize at the time this was a version of buying friends). I then learned of card shops. There was a shop known as the Sports Hobbyist on the other side of town (about 45 minutes away) by car. My mother would take me there about oncea month and I would spend much of my paper route money. I could get 1965 Topps FB (even then Iloved what I considered an oddball issue asa tallboy) for $.03 a card. I think the Namath set me back about $5. Then came SCD magazine. I would scour the issues and buy cardsthrough the mail. Purchased complete sets of 1960 Topps BB for $43, 1969 Topps FB for $3, 1948 Bowman BSKB for $80, etc. I had first collected coins and stamps with my mother, and some of the shops started stocking cards. One dealer told me the 75 Topps minis would be valuable, so I bought9 boxes (wholesale through dad at $5.40 a box), and never opened them (still have 8 of the 9 I think). That got me into considering that cards had value and I started to try and take better care of my cards. More than enough of a ramble. Thanks for the memories. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: zackenback23 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:32 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still collect. As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family at the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of the first pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this day. I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got avending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or as part of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was myset closest to completion. I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything else got in the way. I do recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver that day, so I left the money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However, the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards, but a house! After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in myTopps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history. Thanks for starting this up, Mark! Mike Mroz --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" wrote: > > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long > time. That got methinking about a new thread so that we could all learn > how our cyber friends started their collections. > > > > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I > was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. > So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were > they, a nickel? Iremember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping > Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano > or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I > remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still > remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I > continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not > to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put > everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine > got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy > everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to > fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. > > > > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on> collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still > rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in >addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps > pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature > Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have > thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > > > > But as the boysgrew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor > league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps > Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 > years. Notgoing to spend that much money. > > > > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. > Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 > Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still > some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle > Dick at the show inRaleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 > box. > > > > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like > a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 > Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh >show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn > about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the> pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in > learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby > dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving > the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are > priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought > about the hobby we all enjoy. > > > > If you are stillwith me, thanks for the read! > > Mark > > > > Mark Holland > > OBC >> http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > > > > > > --- > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. > http://www.avast.com/ > ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:11:13 -0500 (EST) To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, originaleek1@att.net, mikesportsfan@aol.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Content-Language: en Now we're talking paper routes. No I didn't tie that into my baseball card I always had a paper route. The first was a weekly shopper in Westport CT. It was .15 so I'd collect .45 a month. EVERYONE gave me .50 and said keep the change. I was 10 so it was fine and the $4 or so a month I'd make went to cards. Then I graduated to a daily delivering the Hartford Courant in Windsor for 4 years. When I was done I had the largest Courant route in the state with 2 apartment complexes. I had over 700 papers, 2 helpers every morning and 4 kids on Sunday. It was a little business that made me over $60 a week after paying the helpers. That was a fortune in 1971. New bike, nice watch and an actual bank account. If only I was out there buying 52 Topps cards and pre war stuff. In a message dated 12/7/2013 8:48:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hoot_owl1@verizon.net writes: I like the thought of "when did you begin collecting" essay on our application. It is also interesting to see how many of us had paper routes--financing our early card collecting among other things. I did stints delivering both the Buffalo Courier Express (the long gone early morning paper) the Buffalo Evening News. Now days--the newspaper boy is middle aged driving down suburban streets tossing papers out of slowly moving vehicles. Whatever happened to trying to ride your bike through a couple inches of peter mead On 12/07/13, EEK wrote: Thanks for sharing Mike. Through all of the FOOTogethers I have participated in I don't recall any in-depth discussions along this line. Very interesting to learn the origins of Rich's Baseball Card and Sports Memorabilia Museum! How about other FOOTs chiming in here. I'm thinking that a "When did you start collecting" essay could be part of the OBC Membership application. These stories underscore our "Collecting The Way It Should Be" philosophy. I've learned a lot about our OBC brethren these past few days,I'm to learn more the next few days! Not to slight any OBCer, but I'm looking forward to hearing from Morganti, Rittenberg and the Guru. "we keep what we give away!" From: "_mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) " <_mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) > To: _mfmroz@prodigy.net_ (mailto:mfmroz@prodigy.net) ; _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting As most can tell from my collection, I have had numerous lucky breaks that allowed me to accumulate the collection I have today. Like many others, I got my first packs when I was 7 in 1968. The Tigers led all the way that year. My mother was and is a HUGE Tigers fan and passed along the love of the game to me. My dad has never been a big fan, but would take us to games due to my mother and my love of it. My parents soon realized that I would do almost a nything for BB cards. This turned out to be a dream "baby-sitter" for them. During the summer they made a deal with me. If Iwas "good" that day, after dinner I would get a pack of BB cards. Good was defined as neither of my sisters (both younger) tattling on me and no neighbors calling up to say I did something. On the days I was "bad" (got in trouble for throwing water balloons, splashing my sisters at the swimming pool, etc.) I would not get a pack. The next day, I was the most angelic kid inthe history of the world, to insure I got my cards that day! For a nickel a day, my parents therefore had a built in baby sitter. As Mike Mroz mentioned, my dad was part owner of a drug store that sold cards. I started working in the store, and was paid in packs and photo albums to mount the cards. 2 hours of work equaled 1 photo album, or 8 packs, if I recall. Around age 12, I got a paper route. A weekly subscription was $.90. Many gave me the dime tip. I also had 1 customer who tipped me with unopened 6 packs of 1970 Kellogg's (1 pack per week, and 10 at the holidays). I quickly built a complete set of those 3 or so year old cards. My biggest break came in 1974, when someone at the junior high was moving and "auctioned" off his card collection. I was high bidder for his 5000 card BB collection at $9 and for another $1 got another 3000 or so, FB, BSKB and hockey cards. This filled in major holes in 1969 - 1974. Ironically this was the first year I was allowed to have dupes. Previously, my mother made me get rid of my dupes at the end of each year. Instead of pitching them, they were distributed to my buddies. The dupes went to my best friend, the trips to my 2nd best friend, so on, until they were all gone. Guys vied to be "better" friends the next year to " move up" the pecking order. I did not realize at the time this was a version of buying friends). I then learned of card shops. There was a shop known as the Sports Hobbyist on the other side of town (about 45 minutes away) by car. My mother would take me there about once a month and I would spend much of my paper route money. I could get 1965 Topps FB (even then I loved what I considered an oddball issue as a tallboy) for $.03 a card. I think the Namath set me back about $5. Then came SCD magazine. I would scour the issues and buy cards through the mail. Purchased complete sets of 1960 Topps BB for $43, 1969 Topps FB for $3, 1948 Bowman BSKB for $80, etc. I had first collected coins and stamps with my mother, and some of the shops started stocking cards. One dealer told me the 75 Topps minis would be valuable, so I bought 9 boxes (wholesale through dad at $5.40 a box), and never opened them (sti ll have 8 of the 9 I think). That got me into considering that cards had value and I started to try and take better care of my cards. More than enough of a ramble. Thanks for the memories. Mike Rich -----Original Message-----From: zackenback23 <_mfmroz@prodigy.net_ (mailto:mfmroz@prodigy.net) >To: OBC-Ramblings <_OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) >Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:32 amSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting < span> Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still collect.As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family at the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of the first pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this day.I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got a vending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or as part of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was my set closest to completion.I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything else got in the way. I do recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver that day, so I left the money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However, the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards, but a house!After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in my Topps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history.Thanks for starting this up, Mark!Mike Mroz--- In _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) , "Mark Holland" wrote:>> JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long> time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn> how our cyber friends started their collections. > > > > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I> was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11.> So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were> they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping> Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano> or Julian Javier, but Iwas Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I> remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still> remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I> continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not> to be mentioned in case SHE r eads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put> everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine> got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy> everyone's cards. He gave me boxes sort and let me keep ones needed to> fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again.> > > > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on> collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still> rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in> addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps> pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature> Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have> thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any.> > > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor> league and all o f the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps> Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5> years. Not going to spend that much money. > > > > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set.> Still haven't that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51> Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still> some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle> Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1> box.> > > > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like> a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51> Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh> show before drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn> about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I c an't image having the> pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in> learninghow you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby> dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving> the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are> priceless. So again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought> about the hobby we all enjoy.> > > > If you are still with me, thanks for the read!> > Mark>> > > Mark Holland> > OBC> > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/> > > > > > ---> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.> http://www.avast.com/> ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 06:11:50 -0800 (PST) To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" , From: EEK Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Peter, I noted as well thatpaper routesfinancedmany earlycard collections. One summer I had four routes, DetroitTimes, Detroit Free Press,Flint Journal and Grit. That was a lot of work for smallwages. The following summer I got an Ice Cream route, much easier and better pay. Itunfortunatelyled to the demise of my card collecting.I met the girlfriend that told me collecting cards was childish. That's what I get for trying to buy love with Eskimo Pies. "we keep what we give away!" From: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" To: originaleek1@att.net; mikesportsfan@aol.com; mfmroz@prodigy.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 7:48 AM Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting I like the thought of "when did you begin collecting" essay on our application. It is also interesting to see how many of us had paper routes--financing our early card collecting among other things. I did stints delivering both the Buffalo Courier Express (the long gone early morning paper) and the Buffalo Evening News. Now days--the newspaper boy is middle aged driving down suburban streets tossing papers out of slowly moving vehicles. Whatever happened to trying to ride your bike through a couple inches of snow..... peter mead On 12/07/13, EEK wrote: Thanks for sharing Mike.Through all of the FOOTogethers I have participated in I don't recall any in-depth discussions along this line. Very interesting tolearn theorigins of Rich's Baseball Card and Sports Memorabilia Museum! How about other FOOTs chiming in here. I'm thinking that a "When did you start collecting" essay could be part of the OBC Membership application. These stories underscore our "CollectingThe WayIt Should Be" philosophy. I've learned a lot about our OBC brethren these past few days, I'm hoping tolearn more the next few days! Not to slight any OBCer, but I'm looking forward to hearing from Morganti, Rittenberg and the Guru. "we keep what we give away!" From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" To: mfmroz@prodigy.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting As most can tell from my collection, I have had numerous lucky breaks that allowed me to accumulate the collection I have today. Like many others, I got my first packs when I was 7 in 1968. The Tigers led all the way that year. My mother was and is a HUGE Tigers fan and passed along the love of the game to me. My dad has never been a big fan, but would take us to games due to my mother and my love of it. My parents soon realized that I would do almost anything for BB cards. This turned out to be a dream "baby-sitter" for them. During the summer they made a deal with me. If I was "good" that day, after dinner I would geta pack of BB cards. Good was defined as neither of my sisters (both younger) tattling on me and no neighbors calling up to say I did something. On the days I was "bad" (got in trouble for throwing water balloons,splashing my sisters at the swimming pool, etc.) I would not get a pack. The next day, I was the most angelic kid in the history of the world, to insure I got my cards that day! For a nickel a day, my parents therefore had a built in baby sitter. As Mike Mroz mentioned, my dad was part owner of a drug store that sold cards. I started working in the store, and was paid in packs andphoto albums to mount the cards. 2 hours of work equaled 1 photo album, or 8 packs, if I recall. Around age 12, I got a paper route. A weekly subscription was $.90. Many gave me the dime tip. I also had 1 customer who tipped me with unopened 6 packs of 1970 Kellogg's(1 pack per week, and 10 at the holidays). I quickly built a complete set of those 3 or so year old cards. My biggest break came in 1974,when someone at the junior high was moving and "auctioned" off his card collection. I was high bidder for his 5000 card BB collection at $9 andfor another $1 got another3000 or so, FB, BSKB and hockey cards. This filled in major holes in 1969 - 1974. Ironically this was the first year I was allowed to have dupes. Previously, my mother made me get rid of my dupes at the end of each year. Instead of pitching them, they were distributed to my buddies. The dupes went to my best friend, the trips to my 2nd best friend, so on, until they were all gone. Guys vied to be "better" friends the next yearto "move up" the pecking order. I did not realize at the time this was a version of buying friends). I then learned of card shops. There was a shop known as the Sports Hobbyist on the other side of town (about 45 minutes away) by car. My mother would take me there about oncea month and I would spend much of my paper route money. I could get 1965 Topps FB (even then Iloved what I considered an oddball issue asa tallboy) for $.03 a card. I think the Namath set me back about $5. Then came SCD magazine. I would scour the issues and buy cardsthrough the mail. Purchased complete sets of 1960 Topps BB for $43, 1969 Topps FB for $3, 1948 Bowman BSKB for $80, etc. I had first collected coins and stamps with my mother, and some of the shops started stocking cards. One dealer told me the 75 Topps minis would be valuable, so I bought9 boxes (wholesale through dad at $5.40 a box), and never opened them (still have 8 of the 9 I think). That got me into considering that cards had value and I started to try and take better care of my cards. More than enough of a ramble. Thanks for the memories. Mike Rich -----Original Message-----From: zackenback23 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 6, 2013 8:32 amSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting Ahh, what a great topic, the memories of which is probably why most of us still collect.As a 6-year old in 1972, my dad bought me a pack at King's Drugs Store, which, as it turns out, was owned by Mike Rich's family at the time, so he very well could have been my first "pusher". I remember the first card of the first pack ever - Johnny Bench, who I still admire to this day.I collected through the 70's and into the mid 80's. In 1975, I got a vending box for my birthday, and being the standard size, kept those over the mini's, which I hated. At the time, my friends and I considered either/or as part of the set. Not sure why, but I didn't get very many 1979's back then, but picked back up in 1980, which I think, along with 1977, was my setclosest to completion.I worked at a candy wholesaler from 83-89, so I usually had picked up something every year, but girls, cars and everything elsegot in the way. I do recall the 1986-87 Fleer Basketball set. I found out that we were getting in 10 cases, but had to be a substitute delivery driver that day, so I left the money (I got to buy at cost) with my boss for one full case. However, the warehouse guy sold all 10 cases to a local card shop owner before I finished my run. Years later, I joked with the warehouse guy, who was a friend outside of work, that he not only cost me a $186.00 case of cards, but a house!After that, I basically stopped collecting until 2006, when I decided to start filling in holes in my Topps hockey run. Shortly after that, I found OBC and the rest is history.Thanks for starting this up, Mark!Mike Mroz--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Mark Holland" wrote:>> JD sent me a Christmas card with a notethat we have been doing this a long> time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn> how our cyber friends started their collections. > > > > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I> was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school buslet me out right at the 7-11.> So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were> they, a nickel? I remember sitting on myneighbors front porch swapping> Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swappeda Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano> or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I> remember in '68 my parents bought me a boxof '68 Topps for Easter. I still> remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I> continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not> to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put> everything in the attic where they satuntil 1979. In '79 a friend of mine> got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy> everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sortand let me keep ones needed to> fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again.> > > > In '94, my kids and I went to our firstminor league game and got hooked on> collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still> rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in> addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps> pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature> Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have> thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any.> > > > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor> league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps> Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new setin about 5> years. Not going to spend that much money. > > > > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set.> Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51> Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still> somegood deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle> Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1> box.> > > > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like> a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51> Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on theRaleigh> show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn> about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the> pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in> learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby> dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving> the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threadsare> priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought> about the hobby we all enjoy.> > > > If you are still with me, thanks for the read!> > Mark> > > > Mark Holland> > OBC> > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/> > > > > > ---> This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active.> http://www.avast.com/> ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:43:02 -0500 (EST) To: wholla_m@bellsouth.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Content-Language: en Its interesting that you mention that Mark, condition I mean. OBC has its poor condition curmudgeons and a few guys who only like exmt cards but where does that come from? I think most people assume that its a value thing. I'm not sure. I always liked my cards in nice shape. If I was flipping them I'd be disappointed when a corner got dinged. There were of course the dupes that went into the bike spokes. These were necessary sacrifices. Nothing sounded cooler. But I had friends who didn't care what shape they were in. They'd swap a beautiful 63 Fleer Steve Barber for a creased up written on 64 Topps Zoila I guess little has changed. In a message dated 12/6/2013 7:39:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, wholla_m@bellsouth.net writes: come on now, only 6 people shared how they started collecting? Let us know the secret to building those T205 sets. I have 3/4 of one in my type card collecting. Share the secrets boys and quit hoarding the pre war cards. Have really enjoyed reading the responses so far. You know, we allwant to know how the guru got started. I can't imagine him ever opening a fresh pack of cards. If he did, the 10 year old guru probably immediately bent and creased it to suit his collecting preference and to keep his buddies from wanting it. Have a nice weekend. From: Geno Wagner [mailto:illini_grad_90@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:49 PM To: Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Mark -- Great topic! I personally have been collecting since i bought my first packs in 1974=E2=A6never stopped! I had to lock the dorm room door to trade a college buddy of mine, since we didn't want to get caught doing something as nerdy as trading cards. I built up most of the Topps sets along the way, but they didn't do much for me=E2=A6except maybe the 1953 set and my 1974 set. I've been trading off my 1959s lately=E2=A6just an ugly set if you ask me. I traded away my 1973 set earlier this year. I'm not sure how many I'll end up keeping, since trading gives me "currency" that I might not otherwise have for my pre-war cards. In 1981, I bought my first T205s and was hooked. It took me about 20 years, but I completed that set and moved on to the T202 set. A couple years ago, the T-card back craze took hold. Since I always loved those T205s, I decided to divert my T202 priority to a Sovereign-backed set of T205s and T206s. The reason I picked Sovereign is that it had most of the Cubs, but not the Cobb=E2=A6didn't want to buy another one of those. I also latched on to Dick Hoblitzell cards along the way, so I keep my eye out for those as well. Good stuff=E2=A6let's hear more! Take Care, From: Mark Holland <_wholla_m@bellsouth.net_ (mailto:wholla_m@bellsouth.net) > To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed tofill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 box. Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. If you are still with me, thanks for the read! Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ (http://www.avast.com/) This email is free from viruses and malware because _avast! Antivirus_ (http://www.avast.com/) protection is active. (http://www.avast.com/) This email is free from viruses and malware because _avast! Antivirus_ (http://www.avast.com/) protection is active. ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 09:43:43 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: When did you start collecting Great topic. I can still remember buying my first pack of cards, 1967 Red Sox stickers, three for a nickel, bought them with my dad and sister when I was five, I think she got Monkee cards. We walked to the "Little Store" which is what we called the small convenience store that was about 200 feet from our Bought a few more packs that year but it wasn't till 1968 that I started buying more regularly. I go an allowance of 10 cents a week and would walk to the "Little Store" to by two packs. I'd give the gum to my sisters. One big advantage of BB Cards is that I would never use my money to buy candy. It was Baseball/Hockey/Football and maybe even Man on the Moon cards, very little interest in Basketball. By 1970/71 I had more money from shoveling snow or racking leaves for my neighbors, and yes paper routes, and bought more cards. I think I had about 2000 1971 BB cards at one time. None from the fifth series. In 1972 I read an article in a magazine about older cards, triple folders, T206, Goudeys, Play Balls. I was hooked. Soon I was buying older cards from Bruce Yeko at Wholesale Cards in Conn. White Borders (T206s) for 55 cents. Stayed away from Gold Bolders (T205s) because they were 75 cents, and I sure wasn't gonna pay extra for a different colored border, there was no picture and I thought that was the only difference. I also subscribed to "The Sport Hobbyist" out of Detroit. A few years later a card store (Hall's Nostalgia) opened in town and I bought a number of cards there; 56 Jackie Robinson $2, 54 Topps Ted Williams for $5. However at around my Jr/Sr year in high school I stopped buying new cards. Never threw them away though, I always had some on display in my room. In the early 90.s I bought a few boxes of Upper Decks which I thought were kinda cool. Eventually, realized that rather that spend $2 for a pack of new cards, I would rather buy an older card from the 50s. Eventually came eBay and then OBC. I've completed more of the sets from my childhood (67-75) and really added quite a bit of pre-war. Been a fun trip! Thanks for the memories ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 12:21:54 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: When did you start collecting Where to start and keep it under War and Peace. I probably have always collected something. Bottle caps, popsicle sticks, bazooka joe comics, cards, comic books, records, etc etc. And as those who had parents who grew up during the depression have already mentioned, their parents didn't throw anything out or found a use for it. So I guess collecting was inevitable. And I know we were expected to "take care" of our possessions (clothes, tools, food, etc) and not waste them. Most of my collecting was either cards or comics though, and the focus ping-ponged back and forth over the years. And because of depression raised parents, and them living in the same house that my dad's grandfather built, my collections were never thrown out. So I still have a lot from when I was a kid. Grew up in a small town (300 people or so) that had a single corner store. So the selection was limited. I started buying non-sports cards (Batman, Get Smart, Green Hornet, James Bond, etc), but my first pack of baseball cards I bought were 1969 Topps (I was probably 10 at the time). Traded with a couple kids in town, a few at school. Got football cards that year as well, same with 1970. Somewhat hazy as to when hobby publications came into play,but I still have a catalog from Bruce Yeko that I got in the mail with the"new" baseball set being 1968, and I KNOW 1969 was the first year I boughtbaseball cards. Maybe got the catalog somehow from my non-sports foray. Anyway... Probably 1971 was when round 1 really took of. Baseball, Football, Basketball, and I was working with my dad and going to other towns so my venue was expanded as to where I could spend my "pay". I also got really into taking care of my cards, even to the point of taking 2 existing beat-up or mis-cutdupes, putting them horizontally across a stack of cards before I put the rubber band around them so as not to damage my "collection". I think this was the first year where I actually bought some cards by the box and not thepack. 1972 was the first year I ever finished a set. Easy enough to do as I sent away for a complete set from Larry Fritsch (I believe). I remember throughout the spring/summer of 1972 each series would arrive in the mail (I think 6 and 7 came together). Got most of the 1973 and 1974 sets (but not completed) from packs/boxes. Finished the 1975 set from boxes (and still have a few of the empty boxes from 1974/1975). 1975 was my last year for a while since I began to drive. Started back up sort-of in 1981 just prior to college graduation and just prior to getting married. Topps, Donruss, Fleer. I think my first card show was Pittsburgh in late '81, early '82, where I actually had a table sellingdupes (and comics, which is another long tale). Some beautiful '69-'75 cards, of which most went to a dealer in trade for some high quality comic material. From '81 to the mid-'90s it ran hot and cold with cards, but no realfocus on "collecting". Just picking up stuff here and there. The late '90s I got back into it and in the last 5-10 years I might be going at it as hard as I did back in 74/75. Only not with new cards. :) Oh... and to address Mark's question about the secret to building T205 sets. There are many ways, but in my case it started (but is not yet complete) by being able to pick up about 60-70 (OBC and better) T205 and T206s at a Raleigh show probably just 5-6 years ago at $2 apiece. ;) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wholla_m@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:39:36 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting come on now, only 6 people shared how they started collecting? Let us know the secret to building those T205 sets. I have 3/4 of one in my type card collecting. Share the secrets boys and quit hoarding the pre war cards. Have really enjoyed reading the responses so far. You know, we all want toknow how the guru got started. I can't imagine him ever opening a fresh pack of cards. If he did, the 10 year old guru probably immediately bent and creased it to suit his collecting preference and to keep his buddies fromwanting it. Have a nice weekend.Mark ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 13:43:30 -0500 To: obc-ramblings From: Andy Huntoon Subject: When did you start collecting I love this topic and have really enjoyed reading all the responses and great stories. I feel like a kid though when I keep reading about how you guys were collecting from packs in the 60's! My quest began way back in the early 80's when I was a kid and my brother (three years older and never let me forget it) and I started collecting. I was able to pick up packs from the local flea market dealer and local stores like 7-11 and drug stores. My father would take my brother and I to shows occasionally and I was always in awe walking in to those shows. My dad would give us each about $10 to spend so I had to be very picky on what I got. I loved old cards even back then, but always thought they were too expensive for me to ever get any of them. I wish I had known that back then I could've actually picked up T206's for a buck a piece. I always thought those old tobacco cards would've cost a fortune but I have now learned that I was wrong. I had friends who collected cards as well and we would trade from time to time. Mostly newer stuff as the oldest card we probably had was from the 70's. I remember when I ponied up $10 to buy a 1960 Topps Sandy Koufax in great OBC condition from the guy at the flea market. I couldn't believe I had actually gotten a card that was so old and of Sandy Koufax no less. I knew he was a big name so I was thrilled to have this card. It became the crown jewel of my collection and I still have it today. I remember flipping through Beckett and seeing all the old cards of Mantle, Mays and Aaron with big prices and thinking that some day I would have some of those cards. I started a modest collection of Aaron cards back then. Anything I could afford. Mostly his later years of course, but I thought they were all awesome. These days I have some of those Mantles and love pulling them out and looking at them knowing I have wanted them since In the early 90's I stopped collecting cards and started collecting comics. My friends were into comics and my one friend's dad was a comic dealer so we would help him at his table at shows. We were so cool standing behind the table! Everything ended after high school and I went to college. Then in my last year of college, something happened and I started thinking about those old cards again. I don't know how I got it, but I ended up with a Kit Young catalog and ordered a few cards including my first prewar cards. After they arrived, I was completely hooked on old cards. I started on eBay, ordering from catalogs, going to shows and I found OBC years ago surfing the web and thought how cool would it be to be able to be in that group. But I didn't think I had nearly enough cards to actually be a member so I moved on. I still collected by myself and slowly advanced my collection. I found the Net54 message boards about ten years ago and got completely hooked on prewar cards. I spent the next few years collecting prewar. Then one day Jason Christopher reached out to me on Net54 and offered to help me with my 1969 Deckle Edge needs with no expectation of anything in return. I was thrilled and very thankful. Jason then mentioned OBC and asked if I would be interested in joining the group. I couldn't believe it. OBC had come back into my life. By this time though, I had a bit more in terms of trade material and interest in vintage as opposed to strictly prewar and I thought maybe I would give it a shot and see about joining the group. Well, Jason helped me with my first few trades and I applied for membership. You guys have been unbelievably generous and have been so great since I joined. And my sets have seriously come a long way in the last year all due to OBC. I pick up modern stuff from time to time at Walmart or Target just to open some packs again, but I usually try to send those newer cards out to people working on sets. I hope to go to the National when it comes back to Atlantic City since I'll be able to drive down there for the show. Sorry to ramble for so long so if you've read this far thanks for staying with me. Best regards to all, Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 10:58:18 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting great topic Mark. I guess I was a late bloomer. didnt have any stores close enough thatcarried cards when I was younger. dabbled in coins because my dad gave me a starter set of mercs. loved richie rich comics. (had emall at one point) around the early 90's I got into a fantasy baseball league for some reason or other and really started eating up every stat I could get my hands on by picking up a copy of USA today every day. across the street from the paper stop was a small card shop (yes everyone, I was in my mid 20's before I even entered a card shop). became good freinds with the owner, stopped in pretty much every week. for whatever reason I got hooked on basketball. putting sets together, base and inserts. did this for a couple of years. then stopped. about 10 years ago I was going thru my cards that i kept (gave most of themaway) and found a 5000 count box with baseball cards from 76-79. hadthem in number order and found I was about 2/3s of the way to completion. trolling ebay and such for cards I came across a card forum site which did trades, wow....I was hooked. one of the traders mentioned an online trading group called trading bases. told me I should contact Kevin Martens. joined TB, then OCT, dropped out of OCT because of the points thing Len has going and joined Dugout traders in its infancy and VCT. In thebeginning I was collecting exmt cards.....but was finding that it was hardto find traders to trade with and some of them were so picky that they were sending cards I thought were nrmt back to me saying that they weren't good enough. i was getting frustrated. thats when I started looking at lists of any condition traders. hooked up with Mark Talbot who allowed me to be the grasshopper and join OBC. I started out around 10 years ago with 3 or 4 incomplete sets. amazing where I am now. next years goals are gonna be interesting. thinking maybe some pre-war sets??????? hmmm John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ From: Taylor Schock To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 12:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Where to start and keep it under War and Peace. I probably have always collected something. Bottle caps, popsicle sticks, bazooka joe comics, cards, comic books, records, etc etc. And as those who had parents who grew up during the depression have already mentioned, their parents didn't throw anything out or found a use for it. So I guess collecting was inevitable. And I know we were expected to "take care" of our possessions (clothes, tools, food, etc) and not waste them. Most of my collecting was either cards or comics though, and the focus ping-ponged back and forth over the years. And because of depression raised parents, and them living in the same house that my dad's grandfather built, my collections were never thrown out. So I still have a lot from when I was a kid. Grew up in a small town (300 people or so) that had a single corner store. So the selection was limited. I started buying non-sports cards (Batman, Get Smart, Green Hornet, James Bond, etc), but my first pack of baseball cards I bought were 1969 Topps (I was probably 10 at the time). Traded with a couple kids in town, a few at school. Got football cards that year as well, same with 1970. Somewhat hazy as to when hobby publications came into play,but I still have a catalog from Bruce Yeko that I got in the mail with the"new" baseball set being 1968, and I KNOW 1969 was the first year I boughtbaseball cards. Maybe got the catalog somehow from my non-sports foray. Anyway... Probably 1971 was when round 1 really took of. Baseball, Football, Basketball, and I was working with my dad and going to other towns so my venue was expanded as to where I could spend my "pay". I also got really into taking care of my cards, even to the point of taking 2 existing beat-up or mis-cutdupes, putting them horizontally across a stack of cards before I put the rubber band around them so as not to damage my "collection". I think this was the first year where I actually bought some cards by the box and not thepack. 1972 was the first year I ever finished a set. Easy enough to do as I sent away for a complete set from Larry Fritsch (I believe). I remember throughout the spring/summer of 1972 each series would arrive in the mail (I think 6 and 7 came together). Got most of the 1973 and 1974 sets (but not completed) from packs/boxes. Finished the 1975 set from boxes (and still have a few of the empty boxes from 1974/1975). 1975 was my last year for a while since I began to drive. Started back up sort-of in 1981 just prior to college graduation and just prior to getting married. Topps, Donruss, Fleer. I think my first card show was Pittsburgh in late '81, early '82, where I actually had a table sellingdupes (and comics, which is another long tale). Some beautiful '69-'75 cards, of which most went to a dealer in trade for some high quality comic material. From '81 to the mid-'90s it ran hot and cold with cards, but no realfocus on "collecting". Just picking up stuff here and there. The late '90s I got back into it and in the last 5-10 years I might be going at it as hard as I did back in 74/75. Only not with new cards. :) Oh... and to address Mark's question about the secret to building T205 sets. There are many ways, but in my case it started (but is not yet complete) by being able to pick up about 60-70 (OBC and better) T205 and T206s at a Raleigh show probably just 5-6 years ago at $2 apiece. ;) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wholla_m@bellsouth.net Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2013 19:39:36 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting come on now, only 6 people shared how they started collecting? Let us know the secret to building those T205 sets. I have 3/4 of onein my type card collecting. Share the secrets boys and quit hoardingthe pre war cards. Have really enjoyed reading the responses so far.You know, we all want to know how the guru got started. I can't imagine him ever opening a fresh pack of cards. If he did, the 10 year old guru probably immediately bent and creased it to suit his collecting preference and to keep his buddies from wanting it. Have a nice weekend. ================= Date: 07 Dec 2013 11:33:01 -0800 To: From: Subject: When did you start collecting ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 11:36:55 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: When did you start collecting These are great stories. I had to chime in. I was 6 years-old in 1951 when I walked with my mom to the nearest "milk" store. I found some 1951 Topps Redbacks which I thought were great, but apparently I was financially strapped at the time with no income, not even 10 cents a week allowance yet. Mom must have bought be 2 or 4 Redbacks and it wasn't until 1952 that I was financially independent enough to buy 1952 Bowmans and 1952 Topps. I can still see the gum dust on the cards. I think I was getting 25 cents a week then and had to put 10 cents into the basket at church. That left me 15 cents a week for my discretionary purchases. Apparently I used a good portion of the 15 cent residual to support my growing collection habit. By 1953, I was a wheeler-dealer, at one time trading my entire collection for a 1953 Topps card of Ralph Kiner, not my best trade ever. Also in 1953, I saw cello packages of 1952 Topps cards at the dime store. I think they were 10 cents for 25 cards with no gum and the cards were already a year old. I was too smart to buy any of those babies. I could go on and on, but you get the idea - that collecting has always been fun. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:05:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: re: When Did You Start Collecting I started collecting baseball cards as an eight year old in 1961. I bought some of my cards at the Park View Little League snack bar. The Little League field was just around the corner from my house. Sometimes I would ride mybicycle over to a Liquor Store where the packs would contain cards I didn=92t normally get. I don=92t think we ever figured out that the cards were released in different series! I never collected full sets, all the cards were put in team order and rubber banded. We never flipped cards in my neighborhood, but we would hold trade sessions that would make OBC proud. My main trading buddies were Joey Feller, Tim Platt, and Mike King. Most ofthe other kids had cards too. We played baseball in the street from sunup to sundown. Tim's Dad took me to my first big league game Los Angeles Dodgers vs. St Louis Cardinals. I remember laying out my cards on the floor of my bedroom Sandy Koufax on the mound, Johnny Roseboro catcher, Willie Davis in center. Back in those days the only game on TV was The Game Of The Week and I would keep score the whole game. Later the Dodgers games from San Francisco were on Channel 11. I also collected 1962 Topps Civil War News non sports cards. I think part of the reason I like Civil War History is due to these cards. I collected heavily through 1967 and then sold all of my shoeboxes full of cards to a neighborhood kid for enough money to buy lunch at Fosters In 1988 my oldest son Joey brought home a few packs of baseball cards and Istarted collecting with him. I bought a factory set of 1988 Score and quickly rubber banded them in team order. We bought a lot of Topps DonRuss and Fleer cards in 1988 and 1989. I went to a card show and added my first vintage card to my collection a 1952 Topps Eddie Waitkus ("shot by a crazed girl") which I bought for a quarter. I bought my last new cards in 1992 and haven=92t bought any since. I explored my moms attic and I found one 1967 Topps card Vic Roznovsky and several 1962 Post Cereal cards from my original collection. Every Post Cereal card is missing the picture of the player, removed by yours truly for reasons unknown. I bought my first computer in 1991 and started trading cards with Bob Neill, Terry Woods, Josh Levine, and others on Prodigy under the Subject Matter Old Baseball Cards which became the OBC we know today. I started out trying for the 1965 Topps baseball set, but soon enough listed all the Topps baseball sets from 1952 on, and added the early Bowman setsas well. I=92m finished with my Topps run (no =9252 high numbers) and am closing in on several of the Bowman sets (still need quite a few 1949) and have completed 1953 Bowman Color and B/W,1954, and 1955 sets. I went through a rough divorce in 2003 and it took me awhile to get back into the swing of OBC. I got the baseball cards, my EX got her beanie babies:) For a few years everyone was telling me that my wantlist was hard to hit,and during the 2012 National in Baltimore I added football, hockey, basketball, and several non sports sets. This past year 2013, the tobacco card craze finally hit here in Hilliard Florida . With some excellent coaching from some of the OBC experts, I am trying for the T205 T206 and E95 sets, and really anytime I see a bargain on any pre-war card I will buy it. My T206 count is at 165 different, and T205 55 different. The T206 cards are displayed in a binder, and I am going to collect the T205 set slabbed andgraded SGC. I just like the way the T205s look in those SGC holders. SGC is having a =93special=94 to slab cards during December ($5 a card valued at $100 or less), and a couple of days ago I mailed thirty-eight T205 cards to SGC for slabbing. I=92ve pulled the trigger a couple of times these past few months with somemajor purchases. I needed a kick start to the T205 and T206 sets, and it seems if you =93bundle=94 purchases, you get the best discount. Being singleand currently with no girlfriend I had the extra cash available when the deals have come about, but I have a feeling I will be chasing these cards for ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 0:33:24 +0000 To: George Vrechek , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: When did you start collecting I'll kick in my story....In 1958, my mom and I walked to the nearby neighborhood shopping center, and for some strange reason, some kids had set up a stand and were selling packs of 1958 Topps cards. No idea how they got them. Anyway, we bought a few packs, and that started things. Still have the (considerably mutilated) cards from those first packs, including such luminaries as Dave Melton. I bought cards for the next four years, and fortunately Mom never threw them out. ---- George Vrechek wrote: > These are great stories. I had to chime in. I was 6 years-old in 1951 when I > walked with my mom to the nearest "milk" store. I found some 1951 Topps > Redbacks which I thought were great, but apparently I was financially > strapped at the time with no income, not even 10 cents a week allowance yet. > Mom must have bought be 2 or 4 Redbacks and it wasn't until 1952 that I was > financially independent enough to buy 1952 Bowmans and 1952 Topps. I can > still see the gum dust on the cards. I think I was getting 25 cents a week > then and had to put 10 cents into the basket at church. That left me 15 > cents a week for my discretionary purchases. Apparently I used a good > portion of the 15 cent residual to support my growing collection habit. By > 1953, I was a wheeler-dealer, at one time trading my entire collection for a > 1953 Topps card of Ralph Kiner, not my best trade ever. Also in 1953, I saw > cello packages of 1952 Topps cards at the dime store. I think they were 10 > cents for 25 cards with no gum and the cards were already a year old. I was > too smart to buy any of those babies. I could go on and on, but you get the > idea - that collecting has always been fun. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 19:41:16 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Bessette Subject: When did you start collecting Hey everyone, I'm really enjoying reading all of these stories about the beginning of collection. It seems as though I'm a little younger than the guys in OBC (31) but I have been collecting vintage since I was 12 years old. My family always loved baseball. I come from a lineage of baseball fans. Ihave World Series tickets dating back to the 40s from when my grandfather would make the six hour drive down to Yankee Stadium in the Bronx. My father came from a family with 3 other boys, so there was always a lot of baseball being played/discussed. In 1994 my grandmother passed away and my father was the only one who livedclose to her house (the one that he grew up in). I tagged along and we spent hours/days cleaning up her place. We finally made our way to the attic and came across a relatively large box of cards. Mainly stuff from the late 50s and early 60s. I specifically remember a McCovey RC, 62 Mays, 60 Koufax, and 60 Snider among others. I didn't really know about them since I only collected modern cards at the time (late 80s and early 90s stuff) but Ireally liked the way these cards looked, felt, and even smelled. My father spent hours telling me about the players and told me about the song "Willie, Mickey, and the Duke". It was a quintessential father/son bonding moment. We had a lot of fun over those cards during a very tough time for our family. So I was the lucky recipient of my father's and uncles boyhood cards. Probably about 500 of them total. I kept asking my father more about them and he kept telling me more stories. I continued to collect modern cards, but they just didn't have the same flair. Then on Christmas of 1994 my father got me about 50 vintage cards. Some commons, some stars. But he knew everyone and could give me detailed stories about their past. Like 57 Klu and the cut off sleeves. Cool! The Christmas gifts became a tradition and every year we would talk and talk old baseball and go through the cards from years past. Then in 1999 as I was just about to graduate high school my father hit the mother load. We had a large formal dining room that would sit 8 in our house, but we never ate there. Maybe just once or twice a year. About 3 weeks before Christmas there was a large sheet over the table. I passed by it and said, "mom, what's that?" she said it was covering her painting utensilsto keep them away from the dog. My mother is an artist and sells her paintings as a career. So I just continued on my way. Then come Christmas, my father removed the sheet and there were stacks and stacks of cards. My mother had traded 3 of her paintings for the local card stores vintage inventory (the owner was retiring and moving away). He cherry picked a couple of big boys, but left some low grade Mickeys, a bunch of commons from 64-79 and a t206 cy young. I probably spent about 5-6 years organizing the cards and looking at them. I would always look at them with my dad when I came home from college and talk about them with him. Then my parents sold my childhood home and I had to liquidate. I kept my set run, but sold everything else. Totally wish Ihadn't, otherwise my dupe box for OBC would be amazing! Looking back at it, I let some go for next to nothing since I just needed to clear up some space. Anyways, this is probably the most poorly written email ever, but I'm just doing what the topic says, Rambling! Thanks to everyone who has included me in this great group and I look forward to the years to come. ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 18:30:09 -0800 (PST) To: Rob Bessette , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Rob, in OBC there is no such thing as a poorly writtenRamble! Cool story, Where would OBC be without attics!? Earl Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" From: Rob Bessette To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Saturday, December 7, 2013 6:41 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Hey everyone, I'm really enjoying reading all of these stories about the beginning of collection. It seems as though I'm a little younger than the guys in OBC (31) but I have been collecting vintage since I was 12 years old. My family always loved baseball. I come from a lineage of baseball fans. Ihave World Series tickets dating back to the 40s from when my grandfather would make the six hour drive down to Yankee Stadium in the Bronx. My father came from a family with 3 other boys, so there was always a lot of baseball being played/discussed. In 1994 my grandmother passed away and my father was the only one who livedclose to her house (the one that he grew up in). I tagged along and we spent hours/days cleaning up her place. We finally made our way to the attic and came across a relatively large box of cards. Mainly stuff from the late 50s and early 60s. I specifically remember a McCovey RC, 62 Mays, 60 Koufax, and 60 Snider among others. I didn't really know about them since I only collected modern cards at the time (late 80s and early 90s stuff) but Ireally liked the way these cards looked, felt, and even smelled. My father spent hours telling me about the players and told me about the song "Willie, Mickey, and the Duke". It was a quintessential father/son bonding moment. We had a lot of fun over those cards during a very tough time for our family. So I was the lucky recipient of my father's and uncles boyhood cards. Probably about 500 of them total. I kept asking my father more about them and he kept telling me more stories. I continued to collect modern cards, but they just didn't have the same flair. Then on Christmas of 1994 my father got me about 50 vintage cards. Some commons, some stars. But he knew everyone and could give me detailed stories about their past. Like 57 Klu and the cut off sleeves. Cool! The Christmas gifts became a tradition and every year we would talk and talk old baseball and go through the cards from years past. Then in 1999 as I was just about to graduate high school my father hit the mother load. We had a large formal dining room that would sit 8 in our house, but we never ate there. Maybe just once or twice a year. About 3 weeks before Christmas there was a large sheet over the table. I passed by it and said, "mom, what's that?" she said it was covering her painting utensilsto keep them away from the dog. My mother is an artist and sells her paintings as a career. So I just continued on my way. Then come Christmas, my father removed the sheet and there were stacks and stacks of cards. My mother had traded 3 of her paintings for the local card stores vintage inventory (the owner was retiring and moving away). He cherry picked a couple of big boys, but left some low grade Mickeys, a bunch of commons from 64-79 and a t206 cy young. I probably spent about 5-6 years organizing the cards and looking at them. I would always look at them with my dad when I came home from college and talk about them with him. Then my parents sold my childhood home and I had to liquidate. I kept my set run, but sold everything else. Totally wish Ihadn't, otherwise my dupe box for OBC would be amazing! Looking back at it, I let some go for next to nothing since I just needed to clear up some space. Anyways, this is probably the most poorly written email ever, but I'm just doing what the topic says, Rambling! Thanks to everyone who has included me in this great group and I look forward to the years to come. ================= Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2013 20:09:50 -0800 To: OBC Ramblings From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting My first experience with cards came from my older brother who is four yearsolder than me. He bought cards in 67-68-69 I would of been 5 in 1967. He had a stack of a Few hundreds cards. Then during that time he got a stack from a older cousin of 60 and 61 topps baseball, 60 fleer football and 5-61 fleer basketball. Any of you that have received 60 fleer football from me would have come from Wes and most had his name written on them or typed with a type writer. I never had an allowance or any form of income other than trying to find pop bottles when I got a little older so bought very few in 73and 74 when I inherited these cards when my brother didn't want them any more. Why I specifically remember the 5-61 fleer basketball cards is in 74 my best friend Todd Thorpe was a big basketball fan and collector. I told him I had five old cards and he said he would give me a quarter for them. Thenext day I could only find four of them and brought them to school. I saidsince one was wilt chamberlain he had to give me ten cents for that one tomake it up to the quarter. Wish I had that sell back. The fifth card was found later cliff Hagen which I still have in my collection. In 75 at 12 years old I got a job at a horse stable cleaning horse stalls working every day after school and on Saturdays. Did that till I was 16 years old and the first two years most of the money was spent on 75 minis and 76 cards. 77 and78 I saved for a car so very few cards. I still bought cards sparingly thru 80 when the son of a friend said there was a card shop about 20 miles away called pacific trading cards which years later you all know tried to jumpin with the big boys printing cards. I had never seen so many cards as this place and old cards. That got me going on the early 70's sets. Then goingto shows in the 80's then eventually eBay as the shows died off. In 94 I had enough trying to buy the latest cards and working backwards and haven't bought a wax pack since. In 2000 when I joined eBay I had the 70's basically done so started with 60's cards but soon found OPC cards there and that intrigued me as well as topps inserts so I concentrated on buying those twothings and decided I could get regular issued cards any time. There was only a few of us bidding on OPC cards and the Canadian dollar was so low I could out bid everyone and still get them very cheap. Couple years of buyingOPC I was contacted by Dan Austin about joining OPC central but at that point I didn't have many dupes so didn't see the point of joining a trading group when I didn't have much to trade. After several more years of this my dupes were piling up and the OPC run was getting close to completion exceptstars and 71 high numbers so it was then that I remembered Dan's email. I looked up the OPC central site and it eventually lead me to OBC which got me back to the 50's and 60's regular issue cards. I guess I have never stopped collecting since the early 70's it's just the matter of how much money was spent based on the time. Sent from my iPad > On Dec 7, 2013, at 4:41 PM, Rob Bessette wrote: > Hey everyone, I'm really enjoying reading all of these stories about the beginning of collection. It seems as though I'm a little younger than the guys in OBC (31) but I have been collecting vintage since I was 12 years old. > My family always loved baseball. I come from a lineage of baseball fans. I have World Series tickets dating back to the 40s from when my grandfatherwould make the six hour drive down to Yankee Stadium in the Bronx. My father came from a family with 3 other boys, so there was always a lot of baseball being played/discussed. > In 1994 my grandmother passed away and my father was the only one who lived close to her house (the one that he grew up in). I tagged along and we spent hours/days cleaning up her place. We finally made our way to the atticand came across a relatively large box of cards. Mainly stuff from the late 50s and early 60s. I specifically remember a McCovey RC, 62 Mays, 60 Koufax, and 60 Snider among others. I didn't really know about them since I only collected modern cards at the time (late 80s and early 90s stuff) but I really liked the way these cards looked, felt, and even smelled. My father spent hours telling me about the players and told me about the song "Willie,Mickey, and the Duke". It was a quintessential father/son bonding moment. We had a lot of fun over those cards during a very tough time for our family. > So I was the lucky recipient of my father's and uncles boyhood cards. Probably about 500 of them total. I kept asking my father more about them and he kept telling me more stories. I continued to collect modern cards, but they just didn't have the same flair. > Then on Christmas of 1994 my father got me about 50 vintage cards. Some commons, some stars. But he knew everyone and could give me detailed storiesabout their past. Like 57 Klu and the cut off sleeves. Cool! The Christmasgifts became a tradition and every year we would talk and talk old baseball and go through the cards from years past. > Then in 1999 as I was just about to graduate high school my father hit the mother load. We had a large formal dining room that would sit 8 in our house, but we never ate there. Maybe just once or twice a year. About 3 weeksbefore Christmas there was a large sheet over the table. I passed by it and said, "mom, what's that?" she said it was covering her painting utensils to keep them away from the dog. My mother is an artist and sells her paintings as a career. So I just continued on my way. > Then come Christmas, my father removed the sheet and there were stacks and stacks of cards. My mother had traded 3 of her paintings for the local card stores vintage inventory (the owner was retiring and moving away). He cherry picked a couple of big boys, but left some low grade Mickeys, a bunch of commons from 64-79 and a t206 cy young. I probably spent about 5-6 yearsorganizing the cards and looking at them. > I would always look at them with my dad when I came home from college andtalk about them with him. Then my parents sold my childhood home and I hadto liquidate. I kept my set run, but sold everything else. Totally wish I hadn't, otherwise my dupe box for OBC would be amazing! Looking back at it,I let some go for next to nothing since I just needed to clear up some space. > Anyways, this is probably the most poorly written email ever, but I'm just doing what the topic says, Rambling! > Thanks to everyone who has included me in this great group and I look forward to the years to come. > Rob ================= Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 01:57:32 -0500 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, OBC Ramblings From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting ================= Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2013 02:31:54 -0500 From: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 05:46:23 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: When did you start collecting Great stories..................loving reading all about"em". My story starts out in the 1961 baseball season. I would get up early as soon as the Milwaukee Sentinel would get to our house at 302 Elm St. Oconomowoc, Wis. and I would rip the sports page out and read the Braves story and then go to the Yankees box score to keep track of the "home run chase" that year between Maris and Mantle..........I remember my dad telling me all the stories about the 57' 588 59' Milwaukee Braves that had the state of Wisc. captivated..........Then fast forward to 1964......when I started collecting using my lawn mowing money and paper route money to by the cards at the "ol" West End corner grocery.....I remember as it was yesterday...........packs in the candy case.........always took 50 cents[2 times a week]..........had it all planeed out..on my way home after my last paper......... I would get 5 packs of Topps 1964, that was my first set......then proceed over to the soda machine for a "Bon Ton" 10 ounce orange soda, then a package of Twinkies,or suzy Q's......then my oh my..when Hostess came out with the fruitpies for the same price of 12 cents...........that was "king" in mybook.......all that for 47 cents..........then 1 piece for Bazooka gum.....at 2 cents....grand total of of 49 cents....penny left over .........then in fall started football when Phila. brand football cards came out...........loved getting those Packers cards.....never wanted to get the Topps brandcards.because they only had the AFL teams....of course being in Packerland......that was sacriligiuos......."boy".how I wished I had spent a nickela pack on those cards..................then all the way to 1970 when I gotmy drivers license then working at the Red Goose shoe store in Oconomowc.....[ stayed in the shoe business till 2002]...all with the same comapny........ then started dating and cards were on the "way back" burner...........got married in 76' and moved to Watertown, Wi. .....raised 3 great kids. Then in 1989 I saw a story on CNN about the "boom of basseball cards'.........My mom was still alive then......I called here up and asked my mom if all my cards were still upstairs in my bedroom closet.....she replied of course thay are.........you know I never throw anything out.............I drove the 12 miles , and re-dicovered them all.........after taking out dozen shoe boxes, and organizing them ,.....I had hit the "load"...multiple complete sets of 69/70 ,70/71,basekatball, almost complete sets of 64' baseball, the complete run of Phila. football cards complete run of 68,69,70 football........then I was hooked again................... Thats about it................thanks to all if you have "stayed" the journey. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 05:53:16 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ron Perry Subject: Re: When Did You Start Collecting I began collecting baseball cards in September 1961. My uncle stopped over to watch the Tigers with dad and me. Televised games were the exception in those days. He brought a couple hundred baseball cards for me which I saved for many years. As FOOT member know the Tigers won 101 games in 1961 but there was no post season as 1961 was the year of the Yankees and Roger Maris' 61 home runs. When I found the cards in the mid-80's, I rediscovered that many of them were numbered higher than 523 and quite a few were white background cards that depicted All Stars. Yes, the 1961 cards were high numbers making thisset was one of the easier sets for me to complete. I also remember cutting the cards from Post Cereal boxes and buying 1963 Fleer cards by the boxfrom a small fruit and vegetable store. When I re-discovered the hobby, I had cards from 1961-1965 and nothing newer. Ron Perry ================= Date: 08 Dec 2013 06:10:25 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: When did you start collecting ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 14:25:57 -0500 To: obc-ramblings From: Andy Huntoon Subject: Any Ohio State Football fans out there? Hey all, Are there any Ohio State Football fans out there? I picked something up recently that I'd like to pass on to a fan. First come first served. Please include your address. It's not ready to ship and I need to find the right size box first so it might not go our right away but I'll get it to you eventually. :-) Thanks a lot, Andy Huntoon OBC Rules! ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:16:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: My early collecting days Seems like we all have pretty similar stories--are you sure we aren't all brothers who were separated at birth? I started collecting baseball cards in 1967 with money from my paper route. My mom was very strict about my money--I was allowed 50 cents/week from the route for myself--the rest had to go into the bank for my college fund. Let me add, neither of my parents finished high school, but they knew the value of education, and all 4 of us were told from our earliest memories that we would go to college, and, oh yes, we would pay the entire bill ourselves. With that 50 cents I had to buy my lunch milk at school (5 cents/day) and buy birthday/Christmas presents. Didn't leave a whole lot for cards. So,like any enterprising young lad I figured the best way to get cards was towin the flipping games. I would practice over and over the various games (knockdown being the big one--where you took turns flipping cards trying to knock one down that was leaning against the wall. Whoever did collected allthe cards that had failed in the attempt). So, I never actually bought a pack of cards, but ended up with about 500 cards/year. Of course, they all were well-loved. And of course, as any kid growing up in Philly knew, one Phillies card was worth 10 of any other. I don't know how many Mays and Mantle cards I traded for Tony Taylor, Clay Dalrymple and of course, Bob Uecker!This ended around 1971, but all the cards stayed at my house. Starting in 1975, through 1980, I purchased complete sets from Renata Galasso and immediately separated them by team. I still have all of them. Best thing of that era--in 1975, along with a complete set for $12.95, she threw in a free T206 card. I ended up with Vic Willis. Never heard of him in 1975. Maybe one of the few times someone threw in a T206 HOFer on a $13.00 sale! Anyway, college and grad school intervened. Between working and school, no time for cards. Started back in early 1980's--1983 to be precise. Bought a set and that got the brilliant idea to see if I could buy straight from Topps and sell cards to pay for that year's set. With a new wife of a year, and a child due that year, there wasn't going to be card money otherwise. So,I got a tax resale license from the state of NY, wrote Topps, and became "dealer scum". I purchased 5 vending cases that year (minimum purchase) at $99 for 12000 cards. My wife (this is one of the many reasons I love her) and I spend evenings sorting them into 100's, then 10's then 1's and buildingsets (not a lot to do in Endicott, NY). I then advertised (I think in SCD)to sell the sets. So, at about 40 hours of sorting/case, about 12 sets/case, I managed to "make" about $100 for only 200 hours of work! This continued until 1987, when company sets made sorting obsolete. Eventually, in 1990,when I moved to Raleigh, we sold 98% of what I had left (I had some unsorted cases, including a couple of 1986 Donruss wax cases I had picked up froma local wholesaler for $200 each) to a local card dealer. Housing in Raleigh was MUCH higher than in Endicott, so the profit from this (after giving Uncle Sam his cut) allowed us to buy a house here. That was pretty much theend of my dealer scum days. Fortunately for me, that was the height of the baseball card boom. I think that dealer still has those Donruss wax cases. I know I saw him advertising them 5 years later, for much less than what he At any rate, got my first PC in 1991, found the Prodigy message boards, andstarted trading cards with Larry Tipton, Terry Woods and a few others. It was great--we just send cards and received them--no worries, but lots of fun! ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 17:19:26 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: OBC Subject: When Did You Start Collecting I've been away at a family wedding this weekend, so not only have I not hadtime to write my own, I hadn't had time to read all the emails! But I lovethis topic and thanks everyone for sharing their own great story. Like most kids of the '80s, my story is pretty similar to most of those. I always loved the old cards but spent most of my money on the new stuff. Had a big enough collection that I would set up a table at a few local shows to sell off dupes. When I went off to college I put the cards away and didn't reallythink about them again until grad school. It was 1998 and I was in grad school in Richmond, VA and during the rare occurance of a free weekend I wentto one of the bigger shows sponsored by the old Tuff Stuff magazine. Didn't have much money to spend, I was really just killing time and taking a break from my studies. But I loved looking at all those old cards! I stumbled across a table that had a quarter box and I remember being amazed that there was a 1962 Post Duke Snider in there. I spent a few bucks there picking up Tipton mint treasures but I hit the mother lode (and in hindsight probably preordained my OBC membership) on the next aisle when I saw a stack of '58 Topps. They had all been cut diagonally across the upper right corner, sothe stack was being offered as "Rare, 5 corner versions". Had a good laughwith the dealer about that then looked through the stack - Whitey Ford, Yogi Berra, Spahnie, Eddie Mathews, Hank & Mickey World Series Foes card, alltold about 25, all stars. Paid the man his $20 and took my cards home to enjoy. Continued picking up lower condition stuff here and there for the next several years until one day I was searching online and stumbled on the OBC site. And the rest is history. Get a complete Topps set each year to continue that run. Still pick up a few packs of new stuff here and there throughout the year just to remember that feeling. But nothing compares to pouring through bargain bins looking for OBC condition treasures I never thoughtI'd own. Thanks for a great topic and thanks for being a great group of guys Jimmy "Catfish" Parker...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 15:52:45 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: EEK Subject: When did you start collecting Unless my numbers are off we have had 30 responses to this thread! Very impressive, but there are more stories out there to be told. This is great fun, thanks OBC. "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: 08 Dec 2013 16:04:26 -0800 To: From: Subject: A great story about an OBC friendly dealer ================= To: Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:15:31 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Pre War Trading I've a number of pre-war cards to trade. I'm interested in pre-ware hits to my lists, especially E121s and 38 Goudeys. I also have some E90s, T205s, T206s, T207s, W560 (1/2 the set inc Ruth), 21-24 Exhibits, 34 Goudey (inc Gehrig) that are not dups and I might be willing to trade but probably only for E121s T212 Obak 150 Series Manush P Adams P WOF, paper loss bsack Ruether P Ruether F Toney P Walker P small pice missing W560s (all about F) non-BB Lassman,Leonard, Farrell,Cagle Baseball Bell G, Bell F 33 Goudey 34 F 96 VG corner clip 112 VG 115 VG 120 F 131 P skinned 136 F 143 G 34 Goudey 28 G Diamond Stars 24 F 31 F/G 34 F/G 42 F Goudey Knot Hole LEague Game Card G 38 Goudey 244 F 251 F National Chicl "Fine Pen" Higgins small spot on K o/w VG Salutation Exhibit McCormick VG Ted Williams paper loss upper corner o/w VG 1939 Playball 11 28 97 100 108 109 111 115 161 all P,some w/ writing 109 G 110 F 1941 Playball 31 P 47 F/P 1941 Double Plays 1/2 F 9/10 VG 15/16 G 1941 Double Plays (1/2 card) 7 VG 8 Vg 49 F 50 F 69 G 77 VG 78 VG 99 G 100 G 113 F ================= To: kshoes@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 21:11:34 -0500 (EST) From: ricktopps@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting It's been fun to hear the stories and reminisce a little bit. I'm finally getting around to adding my two cents worth. I will start by saying that no card that I owned as a kid will ever be entombed in plastic with a number assigned to it. Rather, it could very well be that my cards are now owned by OBC members and even some of you might cringe if you had my original cards. It may seem that I was abusing them, but you have to understand that as a five year old boy they were my toys and pretty much had to be incorporated with whatever I was doing at the time. One of my favorite players as a kid was Tony Oliva. My first memory of getting a Tony Oliva card was a 1971 Topps card. Unfortunately that card wentthrough the wash which can only mean that I must have somehow thought carrying a treasured baseball card in my pocket was an ok thing to do. On the other hand Walter Payton didn't earn the love and respect that I gave to Tony Oliva. I don't remember doing it, but apparently I must have been very angry with him at some point. I suspect he had probably racked up afew hundred rushing yards against my beloved Vikings and I needed to deal with that. Walter Payton's rookie card now has a big ugly beard on his face and some glasses as well. I'm hoping that somehow it was an ok way to deal with my frustrations although I now wish I had picked a card from one ofthe members of the Vikings defense to deface rather than the Bears rookie. My early memories of collecting started when my brother would use his paperroute money to send me to the store to buy him an apple pie or something for his sweet tooth. He would give me a nickel of his money to do the favor. It was well worth my time to take the money, buy him his goodies and spend my nickel on a pack of cards. The chance to pull a Killebrew, Carew, orOliva was enough to draw me to the store whenever I had a nickel to spare. A few of the fun memories I had included seeing the 25 cent and 49 cent clear packages come out at the Ben Franklin store in 1975. I wonder how many George Brett and Robin Yount rookies I passed over looking for a Killebrew or Carew. I'm sure in those days a Dave Goltz, Eric Soderholm etc. would have been picked up before a Brett rookie staring at me. I also remember thinking I was pretty lucky to actually own an original LouGehrig card as a kid growing up in the late 60's and 70's. I later found out that the Gehrig was actually a Golden Press card from 1961, but I stillthink its pretty cool. Just a few random thoughts and memories and I mean random. So fun to reminisce. Rick Johnson -----Original Message----- From: ken goetsch To: obc Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 5:46 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Great stories..................loving reading all about"em". My story starts out in the 1961 baseball season. I would get up early as soon as the Milwaukee Sentinel would get to our house at 302 Elm St. Oconomowoc, Wis. and I would rip the sports page out and read the Braves story and then go to the Yankees box score to keep track of the "home run chase" that year between Maris and Mantle..........I remember my dad telling me all the stories about the 57' 588 59' Milwaukee Braves that had the state of Wisc. captivated..........Then fast forward to 1964......when I started collecting using my lawn mowing money and paper route money to by the cards at the "ol" West End corner grocery.....I remember as it was yesterday...........packs in the candy case.........always took 50 cents[2 times a week]..........had it all planeed out..on my way home after my last paper......... I would get 5 packs of Topps 1964, that was my first set......then proceed over to the soda machine for a "Bon Ton" 10 ounce orange soda, then a package of Twinkies,or suzy Q's......then my oh my..when Hostess came out with the fruitpies for the same price of 12 cents...........that was "king" in mybook.......all that for 47 cents..........then 1 piece for Bazooka gum.....at 2 cents....grand total of of 49 cents....penny left over .........then in fall started football when Phila. brand football cards came out...........loved getting those Packers cards.....never wanted to get the Topps brandcards.because they only had the AFL teams....of course being in Packerland......that was sacriligiuos......."boy".how I wished I had spent a nickela pack on those cards..................then all the way to 1970 when I gotmy drivers license then working at the Red Goose shoe store in Oconomowc.....[ stayed in the shoe business till 2002]...all with the same comapny........ then started dating and cards were on the "way back" burner...........got married in 76' and moved to Watertown, Wi. .....raised 3 great kids. Then in 1989 I saw a story on CNN about the "boom of basseball cards'.........My mom was still alive then......I called here up and asked my mom if all my cards were still upstairs in my bedroom closet.....she replied of course thay are.........you know I never throw anything out.............I drove the 12 miles , and re-dicovered them all.........after taking out dozen shoe boxes, and organizing them ,.....I had hit the "load"...multiple complete sets of 69/70 ,70/71,basekatball, almost complete sets of 64' baseball, the complete run of Phila. football cards complete run of 68,69,70 football........then I was hooked again................... Thats about it................thanks to all if you have "stayed" the journey. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 20:31:32 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting It's been great reading about how everyone got started and how similar everyone's stories are. In 1970 I was a big Reds fan. My mom owned a fast food place here in Mt Vernon. She bought me a box of 70 Topps from one of herdistributors. I tore the box open trying to find a poster of Johnny Bench. Of course he was in the last pack. I'm not sure what happened to those cards but I still have the posters. The next year I got a late start buying cards cause most of what I had were high numbers. Many of those are now in the hands of OBC'ers. I bought a few packs each year up until 76 then started high school and was too cool for cards. In 1983 I saw a local news story about a card show in Lexington. The reported held up a 71 Steve Garvey rookie and said it was worth $40. I knew I had that card so went to my mom and dad's basement and found my old collection. Also in 71 mom bought me a box of Topps basketball. I was not much of a fan back then. I had a cousin who lived in Harlan Kentucky and was 6 months older than me. His home was flooded by the Cumberland River. He lost all of his toys and cards. So I gave him my basketball cards. He died of leukemia in 2002. His brother was cleaning out his home and found those cardsstill in the same box I had put them in. He gave them back to me and I was only 2 cards short of a full set. That started me collecting basketball and now I've started football. After reading everyone else's post I realize how truly blessed I've been and how great OBC is. Thanks guys. Ken P. ---- EEK wrote: > Unless my numbers are off we have had 30 responses to this thread! Very impressive, but there are more stories out there to be told. This is great fun, thanks OBC. > Earl > "we keep what we give away!" > ________________________________ ================= To: , Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:06:50 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Show & Tell Two of my favs... lets play a game and guess what my total cost for these two cards was :) Go OBC ================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 03:17:39 +0000 (UTC) To: obc-ramblings , Supreme , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Show & Tell let's see...if you opened the packs yourself in 65 and 69, id say you have put your two cents in!

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================= To: cobbspikedmetrades@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:29:06 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any Ohio State Football fans out there? Based upon the Buckeyes loss Saturday nite, if you were to "pass on to a fan", they would likely drop it. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Andy Huntoon To: obc-ramblings Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 2:26 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Any Ohio State Football fans out there? Hey all, Are there any Ohio State Football fans out there? I picked something up recently that I'd like to pass on to a fan. First come first served. Pleaseinclude your address. It's not ready to ship and I need to find the right size box first so it might not go our right away but I'll get it to you eventually. :-) Thanks a lot, Andy Huntoon OBC Rules! ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:46:00 -0500 To: "ricktopps@aol.com" From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting I was seven years old going into the summer of 1968 and started both collecting cards and following baseball that year. I was also playing on a littleleague team too. We were the Colonels but my team was the Twins. Killebrew Carew and Oliva were my heroes, along with Jim Kaat, Jim Merritt, and anyone else in a Twins uniform. My and my neighborhood pals would walk to the Ben Franklin and I would buy cards, stuffing the gum into my mouth while searching for Twins. My brother, being 13 years older, was into girls andit just happened that his girlfriend (and now wife of almost 40 years) working behind the customer service department if the local Super Valu. Behind that counter were kept the baseball cards. He took me there one day and bought me a pack and every card was one I didn't have. I didn't comprehendthe idea of series at the time but started to beg him to take me to that store because they had the good ones. I still love those 68 burlap s. I loved playing the game with the game card inserts and thought it so great the Killebrew was a double with all runners I remember trading a Mantle to my next door neighbor pals older brother fora Ted Uhlander. Not a good trade in retrospect. My oldest sister got married to a guy who had these old cards from the 50s and early60s and I thought they were FTE coolest. There apartment flooded and I inherited them temporarily and loved going through them. Eventually he wanted them back. But my fascination with "old" cards was born. I collected cards hard until 1972 and then just picked up a few packs a year until 1981 when Fleer and Donruss showed up so I bought more packs. I kept at it and bought more and more as the hobby boomed in the late 80s, but still thought those old ones were the best. I found Guru online somehow and he pointed me to OBC bit the details of how that search happened escape me. Sometime soon after that I stopped collecting current stuff hard and concentrated on first finishing the 68 and 69 sets. And on it goes. Sent from my iPad On Dec 8, 2013, at 9:11 PM, ricktopps@aol.com wrote: > It's been fun to hear the stories and reminisce a little bit. I'm finally getting around to adding my two cents worth. > I will start by saying that no card that I owned as a kid will ever be entombed in plastic with a number assigned to it. Rather, it could very wellbe that my cards are now owned by OBC members and even some of you might cringe if you had my original cards. It may seem that I was abusing them, but you have to understand that as a five year old boy they were my toys and pretty much had to be incorporated with whatever I was doing at the time. > One of my favorite players as a kid was Tony Oliva. My first memory of getting a Tony Oliva card was a 1971 Topps card. Unfortunately that card went through the wash which can only mean that I must have somehow thought carrying a treasured baseball card in my pocket was an ok thing to do. > On the other hand Walter Payton didn't earn the love and respect that I gave to Tony Oliva. I don't remember doing it, but apparently I must have been very angry with him at some point. I suspect he had probably racked upa few hundred rushing yards against my beloved Vikings and I needed to deal with that. Walter Payton's rookie card now has a big ugly beard on his face and some glasses as well. I'm hoping that somehow it was an ok way to deal with my frustrations although I now wish I had picked a card from one of the members of the Vikings defense to deface rather than the Bears rookie. > My early memories of collecting started when my brother would use his paper route money to send me to the store to buy him an apple pie or somethingfor his sweet tooth. He would give me a nickel of his money to do the favor. It was well worth my time to take the money, buy him his goodies and spend my nickel on a pack of cards. The chance to pull a Killebrew, Carew, or Oliva was enough to draw me to the store whenever I had a nickel to spare. > A few of the fun memories I had included seeing the 25 cent and 49 cent clear packages come out at the Ben Franklin store in 1975. I wonder how many George Brett and Robin Yount rookies I passed over looking for a Killebrew or Carew. I'm sure in those days a Dave Goltz, Eric Soderholm etc. wouldhave been picked up before a Brett rookie staring at me. > I also remember thinking I was pretty lucky to actually own an original Lou Gehrig card as a kid growing up in the late 60's and 70's. I later found out that the Gehrig was actually a Golden Press card from 1961, but I still think its pretty cool. > Just a few random thoughts and memories and I mean random. So fun to reminisce. > Rick Johnson > -----Original Message----- > From: ken goetsch > To: obc > Sent: Sun, Dec 8, 2013 5:46 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting > Great stories..................loving reading all about"em". > My story starts out in the 1961 baseball season. I would get up early as soon as the Milwaukee Sentinel would get to our house at 302 Elm St. Oconomowoc, Wis. and I would rip the sports page out and read the Braves story and then go to the Yankees box score to keep track of the "home run chase" that year between Maris and Mantle..........I remember my dad telling me all the stories about the 57' 588 59' Milwaukee Braves that had the state of Wisc. captivated..........Then fast forward to 1964......when I started collecting using my lawn mowing money and paper route money to by the cards atthe "ol" West End corner grocery.....I remember as it was yesterday...........packs in the candy case.........always took 50 cents[2 times a week]..........had it all planeed out..on my way home after my last paper......... > I would get 5 packs of Topps 1964, that was my first set......then proceed over to the soda machine for a "Bon Ton" 10 ounce orange soda, then a package of Twinkies,or suzy Q's......then my oh my..when Hostess came out withthe fruitpies for the same price of 12 cents...........that was "king" in my book.......all that for 47 cents..........then 1 piece for Bazooka gum.....at 2 cents....grand total of of 49 cents....penny left over .........then in fall started football when Phila. brand football cards came out...........loved getting those Packers cards.....never wanted to get the Topps brand cards.because they only had the AFL teams....of course being in Packerland ......that was sacriligiuos......."boy".how I wished I had spent a nickel a pack on those cards..................then all the way to 1970 when I got my drivers license then working at the Red Goose shoe store in Oconomowc.....[ stayed in the shoe business till 2002]...all with the same comapny........ > then started dating and cards were on the "way back" burner...........gotmarried in 76' and moved to Watertown, Wi. .....raised 3 great kids. Thenin 1989 I saw a story on CNN about the "boom of basseball cards'.........My mom was still alive then......I called here up and asked my mom if all mycards were still upstairs in my bedroom closet.....she replied of course thay are.........you know I never throw anything out.............I drove the 12 miles , and re-dicovered them all.........after taking out dozen shoe boxes, and organizing them ,.....I had hit the "load"...multiple completesets of 69/70 ,70/71,basekatball, almost complete sets of 64' baseball, the complete run of Phila. football cards complete run of 68,69,70 football........then I was hooked again................... > Thats about it................thanks to all if you have "stayed" the journey. > Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 22:49:27 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting I started collecting in the third grade eith the Post cards. I ate some weird cerals because i didn't have those cards. It drove my mother crazy that i cut the cards off the box before I ate the contents which meant my cutting skills which reminds me of my about the surgeon who got fired. It wasn't because of the all the patients he lost but rather for all the deep gashes he put in the table. Had lots of boxes on their sides, i started with one of my friends robert Mang and we always take our dupd and see if we needs them, We finally graduated to the rat packs and just like the post cereals we tear all the packs off the their holder making sure the cards we could see we didn't have. Finally life got in the way and until i meet OBC i never thought of them, With your help i now am 15 cards short of having a master set of topps 1951-present and my post cards are now short prints i meed( there is only so much grape nut you can eat) and of course I should of got use to Lime jello to get those.. thanks for the walk down memory lane. ================= To: , Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2013 23:03:14 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Show & Tell they aren't reprints :) I was opening packs in '69 ... 1 cent for the mantle ( apack of 10 was 10 cents) About 10 years ago, a friend of mine gave me a bunch of '65 topps football,and yes, he knew the "book" on them. If he were still collecting, he would be an honorary member! So, the total is exactly 1 cent for the two of them. Too bad I didn't do as well on my '52 high numbers! :) ----- Original Message ----- From: familytoad@comcast.net To: obc-ramblings ; Supreme ; Mac Sent: Sunday, December 08, 2013 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Show & Tell let's see...if you opened the packs yourself in 65 and 69, id say you have put your two cents in! OBC Forever, Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App on my iPAD ----- Original Message ----- From: seanobc@comcast.net To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com,obcmac@hotmail.com Sent:Mon Dec 9 03:06:56 UTC 2013 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Show & Tell Two of my favs... lets play a game and guess what my total cost for these two cards was :) Go OBC ================= To: Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 16:41:37 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Thanks Patrick Patrick Prickett brightens up a dreary Monday with a 54 T Luke Easter and a 79 Jim Rice Thanks Patrick! Thanks OBC!!! ================= To: "DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 18:08:30 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: The Holiday Backlog I wanted to send out general thanks to those who have been sending cards myway, and I will try to keep on top of the thanks and acknowledgements, butwith work and some traveling coming up, any return fire I owe might not beforth coming until at least Christmas week, if not later. I just wanted to let everyone know what they've been sending has been appreciated and to please be patient. Holiday Regards, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 19:07:41 -0500 (EST) From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: When Did You Start Collecting My story is a little different. My older, by nine years, sister was quite the Tomboy. She began collecting baseball cards in 1952. When she left home after High school, she gave all her cards to me , her only brother. Of course I had been playing with them for years. The first packs I bought were 1959 Topps, I was eight years old. For six years, until I began High school, baseball cards got all my allowance, I would run errands for my Mom to the neighborhood grocery & geta quarter for making the trip. Needless to say my collection was not pitched out and was stored in the basement at my folks house 25 years later when my eight year old son got the bug. His love of the cardboard was short lived, but my fire was rekindled. I started going to shows, auctions & hobby shops. I found cards on the internet& came across OBC. Iggy was the member who got me to join. I actually had a client back then that printed & packaged football cards. "Wild Cards" was the brand. That's a story for another day. Now many years later I am still at it. Luv OBC, ================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:00:20 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: mark zentkovich Subject: LaRussa/Cox/Torre HOF I am ok with these guys going into HOF from this 'new' subcommittee at the HOF, but why are they not waiting the 5 years after retirement? doubtful, but what if one of them wanted to come back to the field? what do you all think? mark zentkovich ================= Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:12:58 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: mark zentkovich Subject: Re: When did you start collecting One of my first and best childhood memories involving baseball cards was from 1976. My best and most favorite Christmas ever. One of my favorite gifts was my first baseball glove. It was a Glen Beckert model. I had never heard of him, but that was ok with me, my firstglove. nice rival to that glove was a stack of unopened packs of 1976 baseball cards. It was probably 5 or 6 packs. I don=E2=99t remember who was in the firstpack, but I sure remember who was in the last pack..and in his last year in cards. Hank Aaron, the all time Home Run King! Wow, in flipping the cardback, I had to see how many HR he had 745, way past Babe Ruth! Wow he kind of looks old now compared to the pictures in the Scholastic books in my elementary school library, but now I had Hank. Brewers? I had no idea that he was lo longer a Brave=E2=A6 Best Christmas of all time for me. Those same memories came back to me 5 or 6 years later as a teenager when I was finishing building the sets from my earlier years and I sorted my small stack of 76=E2=99s. Now that I was complete with 77-81 I had to go back and finish the 76 even though I only had about 100. Card Shops were now around now although only a few. Some of my friends collected cards, but not many=E2=A6and they did not have any this mostly 78 and 79 cards. My parents were big fans of the flea markets, so I of course would look for cards there and found a dealer that set up almost every week there, and I was able buy manyof the commons for 10 cents each. The last card I needed for the set was Robin Yount. He was pretty expensive since it was his 2nd year card. It was hard paying 20 bucks for him butI saved up and finished the set off. Thanks for reading. Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 07:30:24 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Most of 1957 Topps scarce series for under $2 each BIN of $75 + $5 for 45 scarce series could help people start (or finish) the set. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1957-TOPPS-SP-SERIES-5-45-55-CARDS-VG-NM-NO-DUPES-/201001944369?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item2ecca64531 ================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 17:30:53 -0600 To: Mark Holland , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting /This thread is old. I began to write it several days ago and just now finished it./ Over the years I've related this story at least two other times here in OBC Land. What? You newer guys think this subject hasn't come up before? If nothing else, we're all a bunch of nostalgic guys for sure. Well, my story starts on the school playground in Whitman, Massachusetts, in 1961. I was in first grade and watched the older kids flip cards against the school wall. One day I found a couple of loose cards on the playground. Memory is fading but I'm fairly certain a '61 Jerry Adair was one of them. I won a couple more cards flipping. We played closest to the wall. Post came out with the cards on the boxes and Mom helped me cut them off. The next year she bought me a couple of rack packs of '62s. A lot of Warren Spahns and Chuck Cottiers. In 1963 a kid moved in behind us and I won his big stack of '63's from him, flipping. We played topsies, new for me, sad for him. I now had a stack of cards and when we moved to California in 1965, I became a collector along with my next door neighbor. I completed the '66, '67 and '68 sets and got close on the '69, not so close on the '70 and barely started the '71 before I sold the whole sheebang for $10 at a swap meet. (California flea market at a drive-in movie theater). At least I still have the Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed and the Buffalo Springfield - Retrospective albums that I bought with the $10. I began again thanks to Fred Lynn, Jim Rice and the rest of the Red Sox of 1975 and their trip to the World Series. My goal was to get back what I lost and while I've collected a lot more than I ever had, completed way more sets than before, I am still shy on the '66 and '67 sets so the quest goes on. Thanks to OBC that I joined in 1996, I'm closer than ever though. Greg (yaz) On 12/5/2013 7:10 PM, Mark Holland wrote: > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a > long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could > all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 > when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at > the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 > Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors > front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a > Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal > fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me > a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie > Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru > 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not to be mentioned in > case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything > in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in > on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone's > cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill > sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got > hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. > I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league > one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck > and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, > Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I > still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting > minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but > a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new > set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood > set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay > searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high > numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade > stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. > Half of my vintage has come from his $1 box. > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen > (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider > for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown > on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the > national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk > about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you > guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your > collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused > list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution > sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks > again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby > we all enjoy. > If you are still with me, thanks for the read! > Mark > Mark Holland > OBC > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. ================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:48:53 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: re: when did you start collecting I've enjoyed this thread and might I suggest that if you do not have an "OBC Biography" you should cut and paste your story into your "OBC Bio". Go tothe OBC Directory and: update address and collecting goals update OBC profile Information your story into the Biography section update profile information while I am here I have some 1972 Topps baseball cards I am trying to unload: 21 31 35 48 53 57 61 76 103 115 124 135 170 180 189 285 544 557 571 577 586598 599 601 638 641 652 654 ================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 18:56:02 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: 1973 Topps #100 Hank Aaron Also I have a real nice 1973 Topps Hank Aaron card #100 that has been in mydoubles box for months does anyone need this card? ================= To: "'Yaz'" , Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 20:16:44 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Got a nice copy of "Beggars Banquet" that I'll trade for some 67 Hi From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yaz Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:31 PM To: Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting This thread is old. I began to write it several days ago and just now finished it. Over the years I've related this story at least two other times here in OBC Land. What? You newer guys think this subject hasn't come up before? If nothing else, we're all a bunch of nostalgic guys for sure. Well, my story starts on the school playground in Whitman, Massachusetts, in 1961. I was in first grade and watched the older kids flip cards against the school wall. One day I found a couple of loose cards on the playground. Memory is fading but I'm fairly certain a '61 Jerry Adair was one of them. I won a couple more cards flipping. We played closest to the wall. Post came out with the cards on the boxes and Mom helped me cut them off. The next year she bought me a couple of rack packs of '62s. A lot of Warren Spahns and Chuck Cottiers. In 1963 a kid moved in behind us and I won his big stack of '63's from him, flipping. We played topsies, new for me, sad for him. I now had a stack of cards and when we moved to California in 1965, I became a collector along with my next door neighbor. I completed the '66, '67 and '68 sets and got close on the '69, not so close on the '70 and barely started the '71 before I sold the whole sheebang for $10 at a swap meet. (California flea market at a drive-in movie theater). At least I still have the Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed and the Buffalo Springfield - Retrospective albums that I bought with the $10. I began again thanks to Fred Lynn, Jim Rice and the rest of the Red Sox of 1975 and their trip to the World Series. My goal was to get back what I lost and while I've collected a lot more than I ever had, completed way more sets than before, I am still shy on the '66 and '67 sets so the quest goes on. Thanks to OBC that I joined in 1996, I'm closer than ever though. Greg (yaz) On 12/5/2013 7:10 PM, Mark Holland wrote: JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. If you are still with me, thanks for the read! Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6907 - Release Date: 12/10/13 ================= To: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:05:16 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Waited a couple days to keep this awesome thread going. Several common themes in my story with others - paper-route financing, school teacher influences, high school-to-parenthood absence, kids, . I can't recall the exact first pack of cards I opened, but it was 1976 - so I was 7 going on 8. (I recently enshrined my 1976 Topps Phillies Team card as my oldest personal card - thinking of getting a GGS rating and entombing it forever, probably a Tipton 8 or 9). I had a few from 75 and 74, but not sure if they were given to me or if Mom picked them up for me. In fact Mom & Dad financed the 77, 78 and probably 79 years as well, because I probably was 12 by the time I got my first paper route - delivering the Bethlehem Globe Times and then later the Allentown Morning Call. I remember vividly collecting in 6th grade (Spring 78) - and trading with the young & pretty Miss Fasching, my social studies teacher. Ahhhh, Ms Fasching, wonder what happened to her. Also traded with other kids - especially a Yankee fan who would give me all the Phillies in exchange for the Yankees. Thank God it was the late 70's and not the 60's or he would have really got the better of me! 1981 was the last year I collected - except for a few stacks in 83 when I tried to rekindle the fire - but by then all the other teenage kicks were much more fun than the cardboard. They sat in my parent's house for almost 20 years. I think my Dad raided them for the Henderson rookie, because it was gone when I got them back, and I remember him asking about it a long time ago. Finally, after college, and grad-school, and post-doc, I bought my first house - which was invitation to my Dad to bring all the boxes of stuff that Mom never let him throw out - including the collection, which sat for another couple years until I finished my basement, and I noticed the bottom box starting to get some mold and mildew. I immediately salvaged them and got them in binders and started finishing those sets. 81 was already complete, 80 almost, 79 a little less, and so on back to 76. My young boys who were 6 and 8 at the time were in to it as well and I have great memories taking them to one of the last Fort Washington shows and several mall shows in the area. They each had a special interest/sport/team and a binder or two, while I worked on finishing those late 70's sets. After a couple years the kids interested waned, but mine sure didn't. I joined OBC almost three years ago - really looking for a low-stress place to get rid of dupes, and had no idea how much fun this would be. About the same time, I bumped in to another former school teacher - Joce Kaligis - long retired, but active cardboard hobbyist and memorabilia dealer. Wonderful guy and I help him load and unload at the Philly Show almost every time and visit his stand up in Allentown's Merchant Square - he has certainly added to the joy of the hobby the past few years. I must say, although I don't get my cards out, separated by team in rubber bands, and spread the defense and starting lineup over the living room floor as I watch each game, like I did in the 70's, but since joining OBC I feel like I have almost as much fun with hobby as I did when I was a little kid! Now that is priceless! OBC forever, Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Donaldson Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:17 PM To: 'Yaz'; 'Mark Holland'; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Got a nice copy of "Beggars Banquet" that I'll trade for some 67 Hi From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yaz Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:31 PM To: Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting This thread is old. I began to write it several days ago and just now finished it. Over the years I've related this story at least two other times here in OBC Land. What? You newer guys think this subject hasn't come up before? If nothing else, we're all a bunch of nostalgic guys for sure. Well, my story starts on the school playground in Whitman, Massachusetts, in 1961. I was in first grade and watched the older kids flip cards against the school wall. One day I found a couple of loose cards on the playground. Memory is fading but I'm fairly certain a '61 Jerry Adair was one of them. I won a couple more cards flipping. We played closest to the wall. Post came out with the cards on the boxes and Mom helped me cut them off. The next year she bought me a couple of rack packs of '62s. A lot of Warren Spahns and Chuck Cottiers. In 1963 a kid moved in behind us and I won his big stack of '63's from him, flipping. We played topsies, new for me, sad for him. I now had a stack of cards and when we moved to California in 1965, I became a collector along with my next door neighbor. I completed the '66, '67 and '68 sets and got close on the '69, not so close on the '70 and barely started the '71 before I sold the whole sheebang for $10 at a swap meet. (California flea market at a drive-in movie theater). At least I still have the Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed and the Buffalo Springfield - Retrospective albums that I bought with the $10. I began again thanks to Fred Lynn, Jim Rice and the rest of the Red Sox of 1975 and their trip to the World Series. My goal was to get back what I lost and while I've collected a lot more than I ever had, completed way more sets than before, I am still shy on the '66 and '67 sets so the quest goes on. Thanks to OBC that I joined in 1996, I'm closer than ever though. Greg (yaz) On 12/5/2013 7:10 PM, Mark Holland wrote: JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing this a long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got distracted with other things (not to be mentioned in case SHE reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running again. In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in general. I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much money. I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich Neissen (like a family member the first time I met him and the sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. If you are still with me, thanks for the read! Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6907 - Release Date: 12/10/13 ================= Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 22:55:32 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jake Elwell Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Have really enjoyed reading everyone's stories. Here's mine. My first cards were 1970 gray borders. Got them in a "Fun Pack," the bags of wax packs Topps used to put out and which we had gotten for Halloween trick or treaters. I was entranced by the cards -- not just the few Red Sox names I was already familiar with but also the whole new baseball world they opened up to my six-year-old brain -- who were the Pilots? Why are there palm trees in some of the pictures? What are those cool gloves that first basemen wear? What is an Expo? I picked up a few more in '71 -- Thurman Munson, Steve Carlton, Diego Segui, Billy Conigliaro are a few I recall. And Hal King's scowling face actually gave me a nightmare. That winter I really dove deep into cards with 71-72 Hockey and came within one card of finishing the set. That's when I was really hooked and I collected pretty steadily for the next 10 years. At some point early on I came into possession of a single 1969 card -- #181 Mel Nelson. I had never seen an old card before and I was intrigued by the unfamiliar pink back and the vintage socks. One thing I knew for sure: I wanted more of these. Problem was, back then older cards were hard to find -- you had to just luck into them somehow and I didn't have a whole lot of luck (or a big brother). My parents were divorced and we moved houses a lot, which wreaked havoc on my collecting. All of my 70s, 71s and 72s disappeared in one move, and my 73s and 74s went in another. (Yes, I think SHE threw them out; amazingly, most of my 71-72 Hockeys have survived to this day and I count them among my prized possessions). By 76 things had settled down and I was able to accumulate nicely through high school, all the while picking up vintage cards whenever I could. A friend gave me his older brother's load of 68s and 69s and a kid at school sold me a shopping bag full of of 73s and 74s (some of which I've sent to you guys -- look for a "T" in ink on the front). When a card shop opened up around 1980 I sold or traded most of my 76-80 cards for cash and vintage cards, most of which were Tiptons from the bargain box. By that point I had lost interest in current issue cards and only cared about vintage. Dabbled a bit in college - I'd mail away to a place called JJ's Budget Baseball Cards for 50 mixed Sixties commons for $8 or something like that. And when I got out of college I found that collecting old cardboard mixed well with my then-lifestyle of kicking back, working odd jobs and listening to the Grateful Dead. I hit some shows (card shows and Dead shows), did some more mail order, and pulled off some key trades. It was 1988 and rookie card mania was flying high, so I swapped a 72 Garvey to an over-enthusiastic dealer for 199 NrMt 1971s -- this got me started with set building in earnest as I set out to finish the first set I actively collected. Soon I decided to get my act together and move to NYC to get into publishing. I got a job and a girlfriend (who soon became my wife) and eventually kids and a mortgage. Cardboard was back-burnered but all the while I kept my cards safely stashed and would check in on them from time to time when the mood struck. A few years ago, I started inching back in -- buying lots on eBay, completing a few Hockey sets and chipping away at the 71s. Now the kids are growing up so I have a bit more time and they usually don't mind tagging along to flea markets, where I get much of my inventory. Eventually I made my way to OBC, where I've been a member for about 16 months and loving every minute. 1974 is done, 73 is within one, 71 has just two to go, I have two Carl Yastrzemski rookies and just a month ago I even got a 1969 Mel Nelson back ... all thanks to OBC! Thanks for listening, guys, and thanks for re-stoking the passion I've had for 43 years! --Jake Elwell ================= To: Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2013 21:21:10 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: When did you start collecting Okay, I guess I am in. But fair warning, if you have taken the time to read my Bio, you have likely heard most of this. So feel free to just hit Delete. Pop bottles. I discovered at an early age that they were worth two cents each if you collected them from the ditch, which back in the late '50's was apparently an appropriate place to toss them. Five bottles resulted in either a comic book or two (my first choice back then), or two packs of cards, which I had recently discovered on the school grounds, watching kids trading. To me it was a no-brainer, don't walk down the street, stupid, walk the lanes and collect some loot, and come home really dirty. I think 1960 was my first serious run at cards instead of jaw-breakers and candy strawberries, or even those candy cigarettes you could buy in a nickel pack. That drove my folks nuts when I bought them, they didn't want me to smoke, or even pretend, even though they both did. The local corner store, Plaza Grocery, was about 5 blocks away. Run by a really nice Chinese couple, Gord and Edie, who I thought were REALLY old, but were likely 40'ish. I used to ride my bicycle down there to make my purchases, and they took a shine to me. Soon, I was delivering groceries on my bike to homes nearby, and they paid me 25 cents. Or I would shovel snow off their walk and they would pay me for that. Smart on their part, because they knew they were getting it right back again, and I would walk out of the store with sometimes 10 packs of cards. Then the trading outside the store with the other kids began. But many of the cards got wrapped in a rubber band, not really sorted, but ready to go to school the next day to partake in Topsies and Leansies. I did quite well as I recall. Many of my cards from back then still show the scars. And I don't care. They are better off just being themselves. Back then, we also got milk delivered to the door. My folks would put out the empties for pickup, and put a quarter out there for the nice man, for the next two bottles he delivered at 10 cents each. He would put the change (all of 5 cents) on the cap of one of the bottles he left on the doorstep, and somehow that nickel mysteriously vanished. More cards for the little red-headed kid. My folks knew, but I think they figured it was better than having me brought home by the police. The cards all went away for a lot of years when I discovered girls and cars. But the cards mostly survived, packed away in boxes for a longgg time. Came time to finance a promised trip to Disneyland for my daughter, and a thing called Ebay had just hit the internet, and I needed the money to fulfill my promise. This was when you couldn't even add pictures to your listing. Cards came out, made some good cash, paid for the trip, and during this episode of my life OBC stepped in and took over. (Thanks, guys!). Guess that's about it for me in a long nutshell...... ================= To: mark zentkovich , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:53:37 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] LaRussa/Cox/Torre HOF I always liked LaRussa's managing...Torre was given the best team money could buy, but I guess he handled NY all right. I spent years watching puzzling move after puzzling move by Cox...and continually being out-managed inthe playoffs. I think the 5 years should probably apply to managers as well. (and good luck this week Mark) > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: mzentko@yahoo.com > Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:00:20 -0800 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] LaRussa/Cox/Torre HOF > I am ok with these guys going into HOF from this 'new' subcommittee at > the HOF, but why are they not waiting the 5 years after retirement? > doubtful, but what if one of them wanted to come back to the field? > what do you all think? > mark zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 09:08:20 -0600 To: Mac Wubben From: MarkZ Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] LaRussa/Cox/Torre HOF Thank you sir Torre and cox both have pretty bad records before they were at their last team, but larussa improved the team wherever he went.. Now can we get a pitching coach into hof next year? Dave Duncan and Leo Mazzine to start? I am sure some deserve for past decades Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod On Dec 11, 2013, at 8:53 AM, Mac Wubben wrote: > I always liked LaRussa's managing...Torre was given the best team money could buy, but I guess he handled NY all right. I spent years watching puzzling move after puzzling move by Cox...and continually being out-managed inthe playoffs. I think the 5 years should probably apply to managers as well. > (and good luck this week Mark) > Mac > ________________________________ >> To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> From: mzentko@yahoo.com >> Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2013 20:00:20 -0800 >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] LaRussa/Cox/Torre HOF >> I am ok with these guys going into HOF from this 'new' subcommittee at >> the HOF, but why are they not waiting the 5 years after retirement? >> doubtful, but what if one of them wanted to come back to the field? >> what do you all think? >> mark zentkovich ================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 07:44:11 -0800 (PST) To: Grant Rainsley , From: EEK Subject: Re: When did you start collecting Thanks Grant, for reminding me about pop bottles and ditches. We cashed in a lot of nu-grape bottles back in the day.Don't see many nu-grape bottlesthese days, or ditches for that matter. Me and my pal Al weren'toverly bright back then.Long before card collecting and the"who gets the Reno Bertoia" debacle, we used to throw pennies in the ditch on our way to Gute's Drug Store. Go figure the logic of 7 year olds! It was like this.We often pooled our money and split it evenly on the way to the store to buy Zagnuts and Paydays,throwing away the odd eleventh penny.After many unsuccessful attempts to find those pennieswhen next we were confronted with the eleventh penny issue, itdawned on us howincredibly stupid that was.An empty Peanut Butter jar in our tree house became our first bank.We had that bank robbed a couple times but that's a whole other story. "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Okay, I guess I am in. But fair warning, if you have taken the time to readmy Bio, you have likely heard most of this. So feel free to just hit Delete. Pop bottles. I discovered at an early age that they were worth two cents each if you collected them from the ditch, which back in the late =E250=E2=99s was apparently an appropriate place to toss them. Five bottles resulted in either a comic book or two (my first choice back then), or two packs of cards, which I had recently discovered on the school grounds, watching kids trading. To me it was a no-brainer, don=E2=99t walk down the street, stupid, walk the lanes and collect some loot, and come home really dirty. I think 1960 was my first serious run at cards instead of jaw-breakersand candy strawberries, or even those candy cigarettes you could buy in a nickel pack. That drove my folks nuts when I bought them, they didn=E2=99t want me to smoke, or even pretend, even though they both did. The local corner store, Plaza Grocery, was about 5 blocks away. Run by a really nice Chinese couple, Gord and Edie, who I thought were REALLY old, but were likely 40=E2=99ish. I used to ride my bicycle down there to make my purchases, and they took a shine to me. Soon, I was delivering groceries on my bike to homes nearby, and they paid me 25 cents. Or I would shovel snow off their walk and they would pay me for that. Smart on their part, because they knew they were getting it right back again, and I would walk out of the store with sometimes 10 packs of cards. Then the trading outside the store with the other kids began. But many of the cards got wrapped in a rubber band, not really sorted, but ready to go to school the next day to partake in Topsies and Leansies. Idid quite well as I recall. Many of my cards from back then still show thescars. And I don=E2=99t care. They are better off just being themselves. Back then, we also got milk delivered to the door. My folks would put outthe empties for pickup, and put a quarter out there for the nice man, for the next two bottles he delivered at 10 cents each. He would put the change (all of 5 cents) on the cap of one of the bottles he left on the doorstep, and somehow that nickel mysteriously vanished. More cards for the little red-headed kid. My folks knew, but I think they figured it was betterthan having me brought home by the police. The cards all went away for a lot of years when I discovered girls and cars. But the cards mostly survived, packed away in boxes for a longgg time. Came time to finance a promised trip to Disneyland for my daughter, and a thing called Ebay had just hit theinternet, and I needed the money to fulfill my promise. This was when you couldn=E2=99t even add pictures to your listing. Cards came out, made some good cash, paid for the trip, and during this episode of my life OBC stepped in and took over. (Thanks, guys!). Guess that=E2=99s about it for me in a long nutshell...... ================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 11:05:59 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Gary Beard Subject: re: when did you start collecting Really enjoyed this thread! I uploaded my story to my bio page. Sorry it's so long...the more I wrote, the more I couldn't stop writing. This thread really brought back many great memories! I started collecting as a teenager in 1984. I had all ready played a few years of Little League, and baseball was, by far, my favorite sport. I discovered baseball cards while standing in the check-out line one day at the local grocery store, Market Basket. I noticed an "impulse buy" display of candy near the check-out stand, and included on this display were Topps Rack The rack packs contained 50+ cards including 1 glossy all star card of a player from the previous year's all star game. Best I can remember these rackpacks sold for just under $1. I could occasionally talk my dad into splurging for a single rack pack on our regular visits to the store. As someone stated previously, I was taught to take care of everything I owned. My grandparents lived through the depression, but I don't know if this trait was passed down from the depression, or just as sage advise. Whateverthe reason, I took care of my baseball cards! I don't recall how I kept myfirst cards, but it wasn't long before I had a "proper" box for them. If Iused a shoe box early on, it wasn't for long. I don't remember how I finished that '84 Topps set, but I now have two complete sets on my shelf. I originally sorted my cards by teams, but I quickly realized there were numbers on the backs. As soon as I discovered this, I was definitely a set builder. I was always somewhat annoyed with having a few cards to a set and not having the rest of the set to go along. My neighbor collected baseball cards as well, on about the same scale as me. Neither of us had very many cards, but we loved what we had. One day, someone gave him a box of cards. The box had probably 2,000 cards from '73 to '80. The cards were bundled with rubber bands around the stacks. We had no concept that one card might be "worth" more than another, so we wouldtrade cards 1 for 1, unless it was one of our favorite players, then we'd have to offer a few extra's. The only card I specifically remember trading for was a beat up '80 Topps Rickey Henderson (probably one of the few non-Dodgers I recognized, since he was on another California team, Oakland). At the time, I didn't realize what a rookie card was and had no idea a rookie card was worth more than any other card of that player. Trading for these cards that were kept in rubber bands may have started my affection for well kept cards. I didn=E2=99t mind a card with wornedges or creases, I couldn=E2=99t do anything about that. But, picking rubber off of cards was just something that could be avoided if proper care was taken not to make a card any worse than when it was acquired. I didn=E2=99t like rubber bands! I found a baseball card shop close to the house, Wes's Card Shop, and couldtalk my mom into driving me there once or twice a year. She would eventually purchase binders and pages from Wes's for me to put my complete sets in.I even ended up with a few extra pages to put some of my "misfit" (a little Christmas pun, i.e. Land of Misfit Toys) cards in, which then got placed in a generic 3-ring binder. For Christmas in 1987, my dad purchased complete sets of '85, '86 and '87 Topps, including the traded sets. For the next few years he would get me thecurrent years Topps set with the traded set for Christmas. In 1988, along with the current year's set, my dad also gave me the 1983 Topps set, but notraded set (I'm still working on that set!). In 1989, along with the '89 Topps set, my dad got me the 1981 Topps set, as well as the 1982 Topps set...WITH THE TRADED SET! For some reason, Cal Ripken Jr. became my favorite player to collect, though I never watched him play (living in Los Angeles we didn't see many Oriole's games). I think I found out that the Ripken XRC was the most expensive card I owned, so he became my favorite player to collect. Somewhere in the mid '80s I picked up a small price guide that was about 4"x4" and had Pete Rose on the front. I think I got it from a Woolworth's store. I still have the book around here somewhere, but I haven't seen it in quite some time. I'm guessing that's where I found out the value of the Ripken We had moved across town in 1989 and I found, closer to our new house, whatwould become my new favorite shop. Once we moved away from Wes=E2=99s shop, my collecting sort of ground toa halt. I was now in college and my folks didn=E2=99t care where the closest baseball card shop was. I now had to purchase cards for myself.Although it was still a hobby, it had now also become an investment. I wascareful with what little money I had and I made sure it went as far as possible. In 1990, I wanted to put my first set together just from opening packs. I had never opened wax packs and I wanted to experience the enjoyment that I had seen others experience from opening packs and being surprised by what they pulled. I purchased quite a few packs of =E290 Donruss for under $.50 a pack. I built a near complete set, but was finishing thatset off by purchasing a few singles (including my first error cards) from my new favorite shop. I enjoyed putting that =E290 Donruss set together so much that the following year I decided to put another set together. But this time, nopurchasing singles to complete the set. I=E2=99ll do this one purchasing packs until I have EVERY card. By this time, I had a steady girlfriend and was spending a lot of time at her place. I found a coindealer, around the corner from her house, who also sold some baseball cards. It was getting harder and harder to find packs that weren=E2=99t going for $1.50-$3.00 per pack. And the packs were no longer 15-25 card packs, they were 8-12 card packs. Premium sets were just hitting the market andmanufacturers were beginning the insert, parallel and short print craze. So, I found some packs for $.75 and decided, that's the set I'll build! I purchased so many of those packs I was able to build 4 near complete sets by the time I was done, and I still had a bunch of dupes left over. I was now the proud owner of 4 1991 Fleer Ultra sets. Not the best choice investment-wise, but I liked the look of the cards (the price must have had something to do with that!) and it was all I was willing to spend on cards. In 1994, I had a roommate that had more baseball cards than I had (I never knew many people growing up who collected baseball cards, and the ones who did didn=E2=99t have many cards). He had multiple near complete sets from the mid-'80s to early-'90s. We once went in on a QVC deal for 3 boxes each of '91, '92 and '93 Donruss and Fleer cards. We built near complete sets of each for a total investment of $8 each. Again, not a great investment but I wasn't "investing" I was enjoying a hobby! We had fun sitting around opening hundreds of packs, feeling the joy of little kids as we pulled some of our favorite players. When he moved out, he didn't want to pack all his cards, so he took out a few of his favorites and gave me the rest (probably 6-8 near complete Topps sets from the mid-'80s as well as boxes of cards from probably 100 different Between '91 and '96 I stumbled upon 4 or 5 card shops in the area. I would frequent each from time to time when I was near by. From one, near my college, I purchased a set of '84 Fleer, minus the Mattingly RC (I couldn't get myself to spend $150 on a set that had a single card worth $110). So, I walked out of the store with 659 cards for $90. I figured I'd find a deal on the Mattingly RC later (my dad purchased a creased Mattingly RC for Christmas a year or two later). Discouraged by the "high" price of packs, I resorted to purchasing completesets. Before I got married in '96 I purchased a '77 Topps set (the oldest set I could afford) and a '92 Bowman set. The Bowman set was a $350 set andwas so full of RC's that it just HAD to increase in value over the next few years...at least that's what owner of the store that sold it to me said. After I got married, I didn't do much with the cards for a couple years. I was getting turned off from the hobby because there were so many sub-sets, inserts, parallel's and, worst of all, short prints! In 1999, I discovered Rottman's Auctions (an auction house that held auctions on-line). I had lost faith that any new, regular issue cards were worth spending money on, and I wasn't going to spend the going price on short prints and parallels' that I figured could never increase in value. So, I purchased a starter set from the '69 Topps set. And that started my adventure into collecting vintage cards! I won a few more auctions for starter sets from the '70s before finding eBay in 2000 or 2001. I came across a few card shows around the area we lived and hit 4 or 5 (mostly mall shows) between '99 and '03. I never really found anything worth buying and my disposable income was pretty much nothing. It was about 2001 when I found Trading Bases. Shortly after joining I realized most of the trading there was on newer stuff that I didn't care to collect, but it was a great avenue to trade off the dupes that my roommate had given me and all those =E291 Fleer Ultra dupes I had purchased. So, Ifinished off a few half-completed sets, I got my Topps run complete from '81 to the current year and I started a handful of "vintage" style sets (Topps Heritage, Upper Deck Vintage, etc.). In 2003, I joined VCT. Between 2003 and 2012, I was able to complete my Topps run back to 1969. I tried trading for near complete sets of the current years so I could complete them in trades, but focusing on my vintage sets made this somewhat excruciating. I didn=E2=99t have many UV cards to trade and wanted to use my vintage dupes to build my vintage sets. So, I resorted to purchasing the newest complete sets with money that came in at Christmas. I never really purchased a whole lot on eBay (my eBay feedback is under 300and a lot of the feedback is from my wife selling stuff or picking up non-baseball card items) Most of my eBay purchases for cards were starter sets,that included dupes, so I would have trade bait for the sets I was workingon. Unfortunately, since I never spent much on the hobby, what I acquired didn't meet the condition requirements of those I was trading with. So, it was always difficult finding traders I could trade with. I joined OCT back around '05, but the points system somewhat took the fun out of trading and it became a chore, sometimes, trying to get trades in. Once I completed my Topps run back to '69, I figured it was time to expand my network to include people whose focus was closer to mine...'50s and '60sstuff in tipton condition. I joined OBC in 2012, after trading with most of you throughout the years through VCT and Trading Bases. I saved my Christmas money for a couple of years and purchased large starter sets of '62 and'63 Topps. I also picked up some '50s Bowman and a few '50s and '60s Toppsscarce series cards to try to help you guys out with. None of that lasted very long as I was inundated with welcome packages and am still trying to hit some of your lists. A few months ago, I made it to my first card show in about 10 years and wasable to meet up with 4 or 5 OBC'ers. I had some Christmas money left over and had saved up a bit more, so I was able to spend a little at the show. Igot a nice stack from new ('er than me) OBC'er Patrick Prickett, who I traded with for years via VCT. I picked up a few late '60s singles for like $.25 each from another table and spent more than I ever had on commons for four or five '54 Red Heart, under the watchful eye of Joshua Levine. I don=E2=99t spend much money on cards and I try to acquire dupes whenever I make a purchase. I have 3 kids at home, so they get most of the disposable income at the moment. I use barely started sets to pull from for =E2=9Ctrade bait=E2=9D when my dupes box isn=E2=99t sufficient for return fire. Though my collection may not be growing much, it=E2=99s tuning over. And seeing new cards come and go is just as enjoyable as seeing my collection grow. That=E2=99s how I got started, and how I got to where I am today. Thanks Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 16:34:58 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: redford show this sunday fellow foot memebers. wondered if any of you had any thoughts on attending the redford show this sunday? have a good nite John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2013 19:12:02 -0600 To: Bob Donaldson , From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting Ho! Ho! Ho! Santa brought me that one many years ago. Greg (yaz) On 12/10/2013 7:16 PM, Bob Donaldson wrote: > Yaz > Got a nice copy of "Beggars Banquet" that I'll trade for some 67 Hi > Numbers! > Bob > *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Yaz > *Sent:* Tuesday, December 10, 2013 6:31 PM > *To:* Mark Holland; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] When did you start collecting > /This thread is old. I began to write it several days ago and just now > finished it./ > Over the years I've related this story at least two other times here > in OBC Land. What? You newer guys think this subject hasn't come up > before? If nothing else, we're all a bunch of nostalgic guys for > sure. Well, my story starts on the school playground in Whitman, > Massachusetts, in 1961. I was in first grade and watched the older > kids flip cards against the school wall. One day I found a couple of > loose cards on the playground. Memory is fading but I'm fairly certain > a '61 Jerry Adair was one of them. I won a couple more cards flipping. > We played closest to the wall. Post came out with the cards on the > boxes and Mom helped me cut them off. The next year she bought me a > couple of rack packs of '62s. A lot of Warren Spahns and Chuck > Cottiers. In 1963 a kid moved in behind us and I won his big stack of > '63's from him, flipping. We played topsies, new for me, sad for him. > I now had a stack of cards and when we moved to California in 1965, I > became a collector along with my next door neighbor. I completed the > '66, '67 and '68 sets and got close on the '69, not so close on the > '70 and barely started the '71 before I sold the whole sheebang for > $10 at a swap meet. (California flea market at a drive-in movie > theater). At least I still have the Rolling Stones - Let It Bleed and > the Buffalo Springfield - Retrospective albums that I bought with the > $10. I began again thanks to Fred Lynn, Jim Rice and the rest of the > Red Sox of 1975 and their trip to the World Series. My goal was to get > back what I lost and while I've collected a lot more than I ever had, > completed way more sets than before, I am still shy on the '66 and '67 > sets so the quest goes on. Thanks to OBC that I joined in 1996, I'm > closer than ever though. > Greg (yaz) > On 12/5/2013 7:10 PM, Mark Holland wrote: > JD sent me a Christmas card with a note that we have been doing > this a long time. That got me thinking about a new thread so that > we could all learn how our cyber friends started their collections. > Personally, I got a late start. We lived a few blocks from a > 7-11 when I was 12 (way back in 1967) and my school bus let me out > right at the 7-11. So I would go in every day and get an Icee and > pack of '67 Topps. what were they, a nickel? I remember sitting > on my neighbors front porch swapping Yankees for Cardinals. I > probably swapped a Mickey Mantle or Phil Gagliano or Julian > Javier, but I was a Cardinal fan so we were all happy. And I > remember in '68 my parents bought me a box of '68 Topps for > Easter. I still remember pulling the Willie Mays while opening > the series one box. I continued collecting thru 1973 when I got > distracted with other things (not to be mentioned in case SHE > reads this). But fortunately for me, my mom put everything in the > attic where they sat until 1979. In '79 a friend of mine got in > on the market as it exploded and started running ads to buy > everyone's cards. He gave me boxes to sort and let me keep ones > needed to fill sets and start new ones. So I was off and running > again. > In '94, my kids and I went to our first minor league game and got > hooked on collecting autographs and minor league baseball in > general. I would still rather watch the AAA All-Star game than > the major league one. So in addition to buying every Fleer, > Donruss, Score, Upper Deck and Topps pack/box we could find, I was > collecting Classic, Front Row, Signature Rookies, Team > Best.....you name of the minor league guys. I still have > thousands that I can't give away if anybody wants any. > But as the boys grew up and moved on I lost interest in collecting > minor league and all of the other UV. I haven't bought anything > but a few Topps Heritage in the past 3 or 4 years. Have not > finished a new set in about 5 years. Not going to spend that much > money. > I spend my collecting money now working back from my '67 childhood > set. Still haven't finished that one. Currently watch 3 eBay > searches for 51 Blue Backs, 66 & 67 Topps where I only need high > numbers. There are still some good deals on there for OBC grade > stuff. And I get to buy from Uncle Dick at the show in Raleigh > NC. Half of my vintage has come from his $1 box. > Guys I have met include Lynn Miller (what a giving guy), Rich > Neissen (like a family member the first time I met him and the > sole provider for my 51 Blue Back set) and Taylor Schock (who > gives me the lowdown on the Raleigh show before I drive up. My > goal is to attend the national and really learn about vintage > cards like you guys talk about. I can't image having the pre-war > collection that some of you guys have. I am really interested in > learning how you acquired your collection and how you spend your > hobby dollars. It must be a focused list. And I love reading > about and receiving the guru distribution sets (fire sale, sewer > find), those threads are priceless. So thanks again for the cards > JD, you sparked this much thought about the hobby we all enjoy. > If you are still with me, thanks for the read! > Mark > Mark Holland > OBC > http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! > Antivirus protection is active. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6907 - Release Date: 12/10/13 ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 11:37:35 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Bessette Subject: 1977 BK Mickey Rivers anyone want one? can't find any on the want list but surely someone is working on burger king stuff ================= To: "obc" Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 14:01:23 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one................got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles"............... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch ================= To: "'ken goetsch'" , Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:10:46 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn't win until your opponent(s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other's cards down. Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one................got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 ================= To: , , Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 20:15:48 +0000 From: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules We flipped but it was more like heads or tails. We would go until one person was out of cards. Brooklyn Style From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Donaldson Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:11 PM To: 'ken goetsch'; 'obc' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneelabout 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn't win until your opponent(s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall,they then took turns flipping and knocking each other's cards down. Lastcard standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one................got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles"............... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:20:40 -0500 (EST) To: obcbobd@gmail.com, kshoes@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Content-Language: en My experiences were much like yours Bob. There were 2 games. 10 feet out or so but the objective was to cover another guys card or cards. If my card covered any part of your card or cards I kept them. If there you threw a leaner you got all the cards that had been pitched. The other was to hold a card against the wall and let it flutter down. Otherwise it was the same rules. Bob Bannon In a message dated 12/12/2013 3:10:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn=E2=99t win until your opponent (s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other=E2=99s cards Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping,nor have I participated in on e................got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 15:28:09 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Several flipping games were codified in a slim book called Sports Cards by Margo McLoone and Alice Siegel (1979). Here's an interesting one, called On Dec 12, 2013 3:16 PM, wrote: > Hello > We flipped but it was more like heads or tails. We would go until one > person was out of cards. > Brooklyn Style > Anthony > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Donaldson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:11 PM > *To:* 'ken goetsch'; 'obc' > *Subject:* RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules > Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. > The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would > kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. > Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. > A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean > against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just > like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a > leaner you didn=92t win until your opponent(s) flipped, and often they would > try to knock your leaner down. > Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the > wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other=92s cards down. > Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. > This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. > Thanks > Bob > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *ken goetsch > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM > *To:* obc > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules > Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even > though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, > nor have I participated in one................got me thinking from Grants' > story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real > names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what > are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good > neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? > I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the > battles"............... > Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch > ------------------------------ > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 > ------------------------------ > The information contained in this communication is confidential and > intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally > privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of > it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information > in this message that do not relate to our official business should be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:04:38 -0500 (EST) To: obcbobd@gmail.com, kshoes@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Content-Language: en When we "flipped" cards, we simply dropped them to the floor, betting heads up or down. The other games you mention, we called "scaling". We would lean cards against a wall and from some 10-15 feet away, would scale cards at them, trying to knock them down. The guy who knocked down the last card standing, won all the cards that had been set up or scaled. This is how many cards lost their edges and got rounded or bent corners. In a message dated 12/12/2013 3:10:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn=E2=99t win until your opponent (s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other=E2=99s cards Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping,nor have I participated in on e................got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 ================= To: "'ken goetsch'" , Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:11:10 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Very similar games, even though we were all separated by many a Topsies- usually we had half a dozen guys or so, spread a few feet apart, all in line facing a cement wall, with a stack of cards. Each guy would in turn throw one card, my own style was to hold a corner of the card between my forefinger and my middle finger atabout the first knuckle, then fold the wrist backwards, and release the card as your wrist comes forward. Depending on your style, you could get cards to take off in a straight line like a rocket, or develop a flutter-type delivery, which I always found to be the most accurate. With practice, you could get that sucker to flop down like a helicopter landing gently. Cards were thrown one guy at a time, with the name of the player being announce so we could know there was no cheating happening, until someone's card landed on top of one of the previously tossed cards. Whoever pulled off the feat then went forward to the wall and collected everything up there. It was a lucky fellow indeed when his winner lasted several rounds into the game......you could get 40-50 or more cards at one time! Leansies- same wall, same suspects, same throwing routine. Took turns throwing one card at a time to the wall........most landed flat on the floor of course. But with the previously mentioned "flutter toss" you had a better chance of it landing softly, and maybe at an angle against, and you got a "leaner." Same score for the winner, walk forward and secure your loot. As for cheating, I remember scooping cards, and if a Mays or Aaron or similar was in there, it would make a miraculous slide into my back pocket, and was thereby removed from the game. I don't remember the others picking and choosing like that, but I sure as Hell did. Ken, I am having a wonderful vision of what I bet is going to be a common activity within the OBC group maybe this evening.........guys heading for their dupes box and trying to perfect the "flutter"........... Maybe some of these games should be added to the OBC Slang Dictionary???? Just a thought, sure brought back some memories........ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: December-12-13 12:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one................got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6914 - Release Date: 12/12/13 ================= Date: 12 Dec 2013 13:16:55 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: flipping cards....what are the rules ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:21:48 -0500 (EST) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules Content-Language: en anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:45:15 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, biggies@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules Ah, Strat-o-matic! I still have my 1969 set, where I splurged and ordered the entire NL East (had to have the Phillies). Well worn cards. I have numerous other sets of cards from the early 70's, as well as some old-timer teams when they first came out. In the summer of 71 and 72 there were about 10 of us who formed a league. We each started with one team, then had a 10 round draft of the remaining players. We played the entire summer, keeping boxscores and stats for each game (all the math by hand!). It was great. We'd meet and 9:00 in one keys basement, play a half dozen games each, then go play real baseball until about 3:00 when it was time to do our paper routes. Did this 5 days a week for the entire summer. I still remember that there was only one no-hitter ever pitched--Tom Phoebus did it. I haven't seen the computer game lately, but I imagine it must have an online version. And, considering how many baseball fanatics we have here, I've got to believe that some are already in a league(s). Is there an OBC league? ---- biggies@aol.com wrote: ============= anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:46:55 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RAN912@aol.com Subject: Re: flipping cards....what are the rules In New York, it was a little different. You would go up on the roof of your house or a commercial building with your buddy. Each of us would have a stack of cards in our hands and we would take turns flipping each other while holding the stack of cards. The game would continue until one of us got flipped so hard they would fall off the edge of the roof. It was at this time that the winner was declared and he (or she) would claim the loser's cards. Risky but rewarding (if you won). Rich Niessen ================= To: , Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 13:46:59 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules The Graded guys would all be serious cardiac arrest candidates.............they would end up as slab candidates instead! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com Sent: December-12-13 1:17 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal wasto get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6914 - Release Date: 12/12/13 ================= To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:13:48 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules Can you see kids today flipping slabbed cards? "Mom, see, I can TOTALLY explain the holes in the drywall...." -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley To: directorth ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:47 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules The Graded guys would all be serious cardiac arrest candidates.............they would end up as slab candidates instead! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol.com Sent: December-12-13 1:17 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal wasto get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6914 - Release Date: 12/12/13 ================= To: rdn56@nc.rr.com, biggies@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 18:18:28 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules I never played Strat-O-Matic, but I did (and still do) have a similar game called Ball Park Baseball. I was introduced to the game when I was in high school by the guy who ended up being my college roommate; there were many nights when we would stay in, instead of going out to enjoy beverages, and play many games of a tournament. I recently opened up my tub with all of myBall Park teams & started playing a mini-season with the 8 1970's teams I have. After I finished that, I started on a mini-season with teams from the1960's. The thrill and heartache of being a manger, without the pesky paycheck! -----Original Message----- From: rdn56 To: directorth ; biggies ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules Ah, Strat-o-matic! I still have my 1969 set, where I splurged and orderedthe entire NL East (had to have the Phillies). Well worn cards. I have numerous other sets of cards from the early 70's, as well as some old-timer teams when they first came out. In the summer of 71 and 72 there were about 10 of us who formed a league. We each started with one team, then had a 10 round draft of the remaining players. We played the entire summer, keeping boxscores and stats for each game (allthe math by hand!). It was great. We'd meet and 9:00 in one keys basement, playa half dozen games each, then go play real baseball until about 3:00 when it was time to do our paper routes. Did this 5 days a week for the entire summer. I still remember that there was only one no-hitter ever pitched--Tom Phoebus did it. I haven't seen the computer game lately, but I imagine it must have an online version. And, considering how many baseball fanatics we have here, I've got to believe that some are already in a league(s). Is there an OBC league? ---- biggies@aol.com wrote: anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 16:35:34 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Flip game Never mind the swap session. ...get a flip game going in the main hall during the National. Id be willing to bet you'd get quite a crowd, especially if you're flipping vintage. Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2013 19:28:31 -0600 To: ken goetsch , obc From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Since I mentioned this subject in my ramble on the beginning of my baseball card collecting career, I feel I should now contribute to this particular discussion as well. Flipping 1961-1962 Whitman, Massachusetts: Several participants lined up about 10 or 12 feet from the schoolhouse wall. Each flipped a card toward the wall. After all had flipped, the card closest to the wall was the winner of all the cards flipped...unless...a card was a 'leaner'. At that point all participants would again flip in turn, trying to knock down the leaner. The guy to knock it down won all the cards in play. Topsies 1963 -1964 Still Whitman but this game was introduced to me by a kid from another Massachusetts town. Line up a bit farther away, more like 15 -18 feet, from a building side and flip cards towards the wall. Continue flipping in turn until a card covers a previously flipped card. Kisses do not count as a cover, (where two cards are just bumping into each other, almost always involving a corner of one card 'kissing' another card). Leaners 1965 - 1966 Garden Grove, California: Not really sure this game was even called 'Leaners' because I can't remember the name. A card from each participant was leaned against the wall and we each took turns flipping to knock one down. Knock one down and you collect all the flipped cards as well as the card you knocked down. Then back to try and knock down another until no more cards are leaning. Then lean up some more and do it again. Sometime in 1966, cards became too important to risk flipping. We still played a game with them that we made up that involved the stats on the backs, but a lot of dupes were for trading not flipping as we tried to complete sets. Greg (yaz) On 12/12/2013 2:01 PM, ken goetsch wrote: > Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even > though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card > flipping, nor have I participated in one................got me > thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and > leanies"............are these the real names?..are their different > regional names for the same game........what are the rules?........are > there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" > when it came to this game to get that coveted card? > I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the > battles"............... > Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch ================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 12:56:13 -0800 (PST) To: No Reply , From: Gary Beard Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 4483[1 Attachment] Although I never flipped cards, I always thought the game originated like Bob Bannon described, by holding a card against a wall and letting it "flip"to the floor. The person flipping the card would call up, or down and if the card landed the way he said, he would keep it. If not, it would stay on the floor as a target. Next participant would hold his card against the wall and try to get his card to land on top of the card on the floor. Any card covered was picked up and now owned by whoever covered it whether it landed up or down. All remaining cards were then targeted. If a card fluttered down and ended up leaning against the wall was a "leaner" and the participant that flipped the leaner was the new owner of the remaining cards on the floor. I think tossing cards toward a wall was a variant that younger kids developed, probably because it was more fun to "launch missiles" than to flutter cards. I'm surprised to hear how many OBC'ers participated in the "missile launching" as opposed to the wall fluttering. Makes me think I was wrong thewhole time. I never heard of the "missile launching" until this thread. I'm glad I kept this post shorter than my "how did you get started" post :) Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 On Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:18 PM, "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" OBC (Ramblings) OBC (Ramblings) Group 15 New Messages Digest #4483 1977 BK Mickey Rivers by "Rob Bessette" robsbessette flipping cards....what are the rules by "ken goetsch" kshoes1 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by biggies22000 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by "Matthew Glidden" obc_spike Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by chuck.salek Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by "Grant Rainsley" gr1087 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by tomhousley_2000 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by biggies22000 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by neillrd Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by richard_niessen Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by "Grant Rainsley" gr1087 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by "Tom Housley" tomhousley_2000 Re: flipping cards....what are the rules by "Tom Housley" tomhousley_2000 1977 BK Mickey Rivers Thu Dec12,2013 8:37am (PST) . Posted by: "Rob Bessette" robsbessette anyone want one? can't find any on the want list but surely someone is working on burger king stuff Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (1) . Top ^ flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 12:01pm (PST) . Posted by: "ken goetsch" kshoes1 Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one......... .......got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles" ......... ...... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 12:10pm (PST) . Posted by: "Bob Donaldson" bobchrislizwil Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn't win until your opponent(s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other's cards down. Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one......... .......got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles" ......... ...... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 12:15pm (PST) . Posted by: We flipped but it was more like heads or tails. We would go until one person was out of cards. Brooklyn Style From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Bob Donaldson Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:11 PM To: 'ken goetsch' ; 'obc' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneelabout 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn't win until your opponent(s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall,they then took turns flipping and knocking each other's cards down. Lastcard standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one......... .......got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles" ......... ...... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch ____________ _________ _________ __ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 ____________ _________ _________ __ The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 12:20pm (PST) . Posted by: My experiences were much like yours Bob. There were 2 games. 10 feet out or so but the objective was to cover another guys card or cards. If my card covered any part of your card or cards I kept them. If there you threw a leaner you got all the cards that had been pitched. The other was to hold a card against the wall and let it flutter down. Otherwise it was the same rules. Bob Bannon In a message dated 12/12/2013 3:10:48 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, obcbobd@gmail. com writes: Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn=E2=99t win until your opponent (s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other=E2=99s cards Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping,nor have I participated in on e........... .....got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles" ......... ...... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch ____________ _________ _________ ______ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg. com/) Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 12:28pm (PST) . Posted by: "Matthew Glidden" obc_spike Several flipping games were codified in a slim book called Sports Cards by Margo McLoone and Alice Siegel (1979). Here's an interesting one, called On Dec 12, 2013 3:16 PM, wrote: > Hello > We flipped but it was more like heads or tails. We would go until one > person was out of cards. > Brooklyn Style > Anthony > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] *On Behalf Of *Bob Donaldson > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:11 PM > *To:* 'ken goetsch' ; 'obc' > *Subject:* RE: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules > Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. > The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would > kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. > Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. > A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean > against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just > like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a > leaner you didn=EF=BF=BD win until your opponent(s) flipped, and often they > try to knock your leaner down. > Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the > wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other=EF=BF=BD cards > Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. > This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. > Thanks > Bob > *From:* OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto: > OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] *On Behalf Of *ken goetsch > *Sent:* Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM > *To:* obc > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules > Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even > though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, > nor have I participated in one......... .......got me thinking from Grants' > story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real > names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what > are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good > neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? > I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the > battles" ......... ...... > Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch > ------------ --------- --------- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 > ------------ --------- --------- > The information contained in this communication is confidential and > intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally > privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader > of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that > any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is > strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of > it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information > in this message that do not relate to our official business should be > understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. Attachments with this message: 1 of 1 Photo(s) Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:04pm (PST) . Posted by: When we "flipped" cards, we simply dropped them to the floor, betting heads up or down. The other games you mention, we called "scaling" . We would lean cards against a wall and from some 10-15 feet away, would scale cards at them, trying to knock them down. The guy who knocked down the last card standing, won all the cards that had been set up or scaled. This is how many cards lost their edges and got rounded or bent corners. In a message dated 12/12/2013 3:10:49 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, obcbobd@gmail. com writes: Good question. This is from my very shaky memory, but here goes. The most common game was just called flipping. A bunch of kids would kneel about 15 feet from a wall and all flip a card towards the wall. Whomever got the closest, to the wall won. A variation was that you kept flipping cards until you got one to lean against the wall, you then won all the cards that had been flipped. Just like in baseball there was a last ups. If you flipped first and got a leaner you didn=E2=99t win until your opponent (s) flipped, and often they would try to knock your leaner down. Final variation was each player leaned a handful of cards against the wall, they then took turns flipping and knocking each other=E2=99s cards Last card standing won all the cards being flipped. This is what I remember, what actually happened may be a bit different. From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: Thursday, December 12, 2013 3:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping,nor have I participated in on e........... .....got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles" ......... ...... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch ____________ _________ _________ ______ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg. com/) Version: 2013.0.3462 / Virus Database: 3658/6910 - Release Date: 12/11/13 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:11pm (PST) . Posted by: "Grant Rainsley" gr1087 Very similar games, even though we were all separated by many a mile........ ... Topsies- usually we had half a dozen guys or so, spread a few feet apart, all in line facing a cement wall, with a stack of cards. Each guy would in turn throw one card, my own style was to hold a corner of the card between my forefinger and my middle finger atabout the first knuckle, then fold the wrist backwards, and release the card as your wrist comes forward. Depending on your style, you could get cards to take off in a straight line like a rocket, or develop a flutter-type delivery, which I always found to be the most accurate. With practice, you could get that sucker to flop down like a helicopter landing gently. Cards were thrown one guy at a time, with the name of the player being announce so we could know there was no cheating happening, until someone' s card landed on top of one of the previously tossed cards. Whoever pulled off the feat then went forward to the wall and collected everything up there. It was a lucky fellow indeed when his winner lasted several rounds into the game......you could get 40-50 or more cards at one time! Leansies- same wall, same suspects, same throwing routine. Took turns throwing one card at a time to the wall........ most landed flat on the floor of course. But with the previously mentioned "flutter toss" you had a better chance of it landing softly, and maybe at an angle against, and you got a "leaner. " Same score for the winner, walk forward and secure your loot. As for cheating, I remember scooping cards, and if a Mays or Aaron or similar was in there, it would make a miraculous slide into my back pocket, and was thereby removed from the game. I don't remember the others picking and choosing like that, but I sure as Hell did. Ken, I am having a wonderful vision of what I bet is going to be a common activity within the OBC group maybe this evening..... ....guys heading for their dupes box and trying to perfect the "flutter" ......... .. Maybe some of these games should be added to the OBC Slang Dictionary?? ?? Just a thought, sure brought back some memories.... .... From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of ken goetsch Sent: December-12- 13 12:01 PM To: obc Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] flipping cards....what are the rules Love all the memories being floated out in the last week or so. Even though I am 60 now[good grief], I have never seen a game of card flipping, nor have I participated in one......... .......got me thinking from Grants' story, about "topsies, and leanies" ......... ...are these the real names?..are their different regional names for the same game........ what are the rules?...... ..are there any rules?..... could there be any good neighborly "cheating" ; when it came to this game to get that coveted card? I would sure like to be educated by the guys that have "been thru the battles" ......... ...... Ken "never played card flip games" Goetsch No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6914 - Release Date: 12/12/13 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:16pm (PST) . Posted by: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".) . Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal wasto get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:21pm (PST) . Posted by: anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol. com writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".) Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:45pm (PST) . Posted by: Ah, Strat-o-matic! I still have my 1969 set, where I splurged and orderedthe entire NL East (had to have the Phillies). Well worn cards. I have numerous other sets of cards from the early 70's, as well as some old-timer teams when they first came out. In the summer of 71 and 72 there were about 10 of us who formed a league. We each started with one team, then had a 10 round draft of the remaining players. We played the entire summer, keeping boxscores and stats for each game (all the math by hand!). It was great. We'd meet and 9:00 in one keys basement, play a half dozen games each, then go play real baseball until about 3:00 when it was time to do our paper routes. Did this 5 days a week for the entire summer. I still remember that there was only one no-hitter ever pitched--Tom Phoebus did it. I haven't seen the computer game lately, but I imagine it must have an online version. And, considering how many baseball fanatics we have here, I've got to believe that some are already in a league(s). Is there an OBC league? ---- biggies@aol. com wrote: anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol. com writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".) Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:46pm (PST) . Posted by: In New York, it was a little different. You would go up on the roof of your house or a commercial building with your buddy. Each of us would have stack of cards in our hands and we would take turns flipping each other while holding the stack of cards. The game would continue until one of us got flipped so hard they would fall off the edge of the roof. It was at this time that the winner was declared and he (or she) would claim the loser's cards. Risky but rewarding (if you won). Rich Niessen Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 1:47pm (PST) . Posted by: "Grant Rainsley" gr1087 The Graded guys would all be serious cardiac arrest candidates.. ......... ..they would end up as slab candidates instead! From: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of directorth@aol. com Sent: December-12- 13 1:17 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".) . Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal wasto get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6914 - Release Date: 12/12/13 Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Re: flipping cards....what are the rules Thu Dec12,2013 3:13pm (PST) . Posted by: "Tom Housley" tomhousley_2000 Can you see kids today flipping slabbed cards? "Mom, see, I can TOTALLY explain the holes in the drywall...." -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley To: directorth ; OBC-Ramblings To: directorth ; biggies ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Dec 12, 2013 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RE: flipping cards....what are the rules Ah, Strat-o-matic! I still have my 1969 set, where I splurged and orderedthe entire NL East (had to have the Phillies). Well worn cards. I have numerous other sets of cards from the early 70's, as well as some old-timer teams when they first came out. In the summer of 71 and 72 there were about 10 of us who formed a league. We each started with one team, then had a 10 round draft of the remaining players. We played the entire summer, keeping boxscores and stats for each game (allthe math by hand!). It was great. We'd meet and 9:00 in one keys basement, playa half dozen games each, then go play real baseball until about 3:00 when it was time to do our paper routes. Did this 5 days a week for the entire summer. I still remember that there was only one no-hitter ever pitched--Tom Phoebus did it. I haven't seen the computer game lately, but I imagine it must have an online version. And, considering how many baseball fanatics we have here, I've got to believe that some are already in a league(s). Is there an OBC league? ---- biggies@aol. com wrote: anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol. com writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".) Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (14) . Top ^ Visit Your Group View All Topics Create New Topic We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! Submit Feedback The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog Check it out! GROUP FOOTER MESSAGE OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html CHANGE SETTINGS TERMS OF USE ================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 13:53:06 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Gary Beard Subject: re: flipping cards...what are the rules? Although I never flipped cards, I always thought the game originated like Bob Bannon described, by holding a card against a wall and letting it "flip"to the floor. The person flipping the card would call up, or down and if the card landed the way he said, he would keep it. If not, it would stay on the floor as a target. Next participant would hold his card against the wall and try to get his card to land on top of the card on the floor.Any card covered was picked up and now owned by whoever covered it whether it landed up or down. All remaining cards were then targeted. If a card fluttered down and ended up leaning against the wall was a "leaner" and the participant that flipped the leaner was the new owner of the remaining cards on the floor. I think tossing cards toward a wall was a variant that younger kids developed, probably because it was more fun to "launch missiles" than to flutter cards. I'm surprised to hear how many OBC'ers participated in the "missile launching" as opposed to the wall fluttering. Makes me think I was wrong the whole time. I never heard of the "missile launching" until this thread. I'm glad I kept this post shorter than my "how did you get started" post :) Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 18:05:18 -0500 From: Shawn Smart Subject: Topps shirts I just saw that Topps put out some pretty cool shirts geared toward us cardcollectors http://www.homage.com/store/collections/topps?gclidCJrCwdOnrrsCFSRk7AodVnEAfw ================= Date: 13 Dec 2013 16:42:57 -0800 To: From: Subject: I need some help searching the Thanks server ================= Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2013 21:30:37 -0800 (PST) To: "tvalacak@comcast.net" , From: Jeffrey Whitworth Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help searching the Thanks server I was wondering the same thing. I've relied heavily on that search functionin the past. Jeff Whitworth On Friday, December 13, 2013 5:43 PM, "tvalacak@comcast.net" I am trying to figure how to search the Thanks server for Thanks that I have posted the last couple of months as I try and update my own files for cards flying in and out. In the old Yahoo site, it was very easy to search the Thanks history and just type in my "tjv815" as the author and all the Thanks that I posted over a certain period would pop up. Does anyone have any idea how to do this in the new Yahoo format? Any help is appreciate. ================= To: shawnsmart@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 05:49:48 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Topps shirts I'll wait for the Tipton mint versions when they go on sale 90% off. -----Original Message----- From: Shawn Smart To: obc-ramblings Sent: Fri, Dec 13, 2013 6:05 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Topps shirts I just saw that Topps put out some pretty cool shirts geared toward us cardcollectors http://www.homage.com/store/collections/topps?gclidCJrCwdOnrrsCFSRk7AodVnEAfw ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 06:17:59 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: "STRAT-O-MATIC" You bet I played "strat"...........we had our own league as a kid of years 14-16. My pal, Steve and I played on the front porch of his house and then my house, always had Braves game on the radio, then then they moved to Atlanta, we were "crushed"....then we either had the Cubs, Sox, or the Cards game on the radio.[ our league broke up when we both had partime jobs at age 16......what a buzz kill, to go work] We even kept an official scorecard with era, averages. I always loved playing the infield in with less than 2 outs.......if my memory serves me right, I got "burned", more than I made out on that. I still have my complete set of cards for every team, then I cant quite remember what year it was........"strat" came out with the "old Timers set", with all the "classic " teams......I have all of those, I believe it was the27' Yankees, Etc...........Then in 1968 "strat" came out with their NFL. game....I have that also, and all the cards. I believe it was a little more "clumsy" to play and we did not enjoy it asmuch. Hours of fun.......living the dream of being a big leaguer...................not a care in the world................ Thanks for "jogging" the "strat" memories today. Ken Goetsch anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goalwas to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:36:08 -0500 To: ken goetsch From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "STRAT-O-MATIC" Start-o-matic was awesome, but also polarizing. I had friends that would get together and we would play all the time, keeping the stats and scorecards in a folder like it was sacred stuff. Our other neighborhood kids thought it was crazy. I have always thought the statistics of baseball and how it lends itself to compare players, teams and even eras through numbers was a part of the special appeal to those wired to appreciate it. When we lost our Strat cards a group of us created a game with a combo of dice and cards. Of course there was no way to account for different player abilities but it didn't keep us from tracking detailed statistics as we went. Great memories! Sent from my iPad On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:17 AM, "ken goetsch" wrote: > =EF=BB=BF > You bet I played "strat"...........we had our own league as a kid of years 14-16. My pal, Steve and I played on the front porch of his house and then my house, always had Braves game on the radio, then then they moved to Atlanta, we were "crushed"....then we either had the Cubs, Sox, or the Cards game on the radio.[ our league broke up when we both had partime jobs at age 16......what a buzz kill, to go work] > We even kept an official scorecard with era, averages. > I always loved playing the infield in with less than 2 outs.......if my memory serves me right, I got "burned", more than I made out on that. > I still have my complete set of cards for every team, then I cant quite remember what year it was........"strat" came out with the "old Timers set",with all the "classic " teams......I have all of those, I believe it was the 27' Yankees, Etc...........Then in 1968 "strat" came out with their NFL.game....I have that also, and all the cards. > I believe it was a little more "clumsy" to play and we did not enjoy it as > Hours of fun.......living the dream of being a big leaguer...................not a care in the world................ > Thanks for "jogging" the "strat" memories today. > Ken Goetsch > anyone play Stratomatic? > In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, directorth@aol.com > When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much.We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). > Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. > I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap session! > Tom ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:27:47 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Bessette Subject: OBC grade? This might have been done at some point, but since I'm new here, figured I'd Have you guys ever showed off your best OBC condition card? And by "best" Imean worst. Haha. Would love to see some beaters. Rips, tears, writing, trimming. Anything that is just super unique. I'd imagine quite a few have passed through the hands of OBCers over the years. Happy holidays ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:33:35 -0500 From: Shawn Smart Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? here are a few of my favs http://shawnsmart.webs.com/apps/photos/album?albumid14345626 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: robsbessette@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 09:27:47 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? This might have been done at some point, but since I'm new here, figured I'd ask. Have you guys ever showed off your best OBC condition card? And by "best" Imean worst. Haha. Would love to see some beaters. Rips, tears, writing, trimming. Anything that is just super unique. I'd imagine quite a few have passed through the hands of OBCers over the years. Happy holidays ================= To: "'Rob Bessette'" , Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 07:02:37 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? '55 Bowman Mick, via OBC, and I will NEVER replace it with an upgrade. Who could ask for more than 8 sharp corners??? (16, if you count the back.) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bessette Sent: December-14-13 6:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? This might have been done at some point, but since I'm new here, figured I'd Have you guys ever showed off your best OBC condition card? And by "best" I mean worst. Haha. Would love to see some beaters. Rips, tears, writing, trimming. Anything that is just super unique. I'd imagine quite a few have passed through the hands of OBCers over the years. Happy holidays No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6919 - Release Date: 12/13/13 ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:23:34 -0500 To: Jeffrey Whitworth From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help searching the Thanks server From the OBC Thanks conversation page ( http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Thanks/conversations/messages) I tried a similar search from the "Search Conversations" box at the top. Putting in "Spike" and choosing "Search Groups" gave me a list of Thanks posts from others. Putting in my own email address showed my Thanks posts. Will that do it for you? On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Jeffrey Whitworth > I was wondering the same thing. I've relied heavily on that search > function in the past. > Jeff Whitworth > On Friday, December 13, 2013 5:43 PM, "tvalacak@comcast.net" < > tvalacak@comcast.net> wrote: > Gang, > I am trying to figure how to search the Thanks server for Thanks that I > have posted the last couple of months as I try and update my own files for > cards flying in and out. In the old Yahoo site, it was very easy to search > the Thanks history and just type in my "tjv815" as the author and all the > Thanks that I posted over a certain period would pop up. Does anyone have > any idea how to do this in the new Yahoo format? Any help is appreciate. > Thanks > TJ ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 11:44:02 -0500 (EST) To: ddejong17@gmail.com, kshoes@charter.net From: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "STRAT-O-MATIC" Content-Language: en I remember my brother John (who starred at linebacker for UConn in 1970-73), played this game a lot. Here is what he told me today: " Chuck: we played NFL strat-o-matic in college for a couple of years until one key player withdrew from school. we had league standings, kept stats, etc. numerous outbreaks of rage and a few scuffles caused by taunting. we spent 20-30 hours per week on it; even during football season when we were spending 40-50 hours per week on practice, meetings, travel to games, etc. I even made up my own cards for college teams. In a message dated 12/14/2013 7:36:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ddejong17@gmail.com writes: Start-o-matic was awesome, but also polarizing. I had friends that would get together and we would play all the time, keeping the stats and scorecards in a folder like it was sacred stuff. Our other neighborhood kids thought it was crazy. I have always thought the statistics of baseball and it lends itself to compare players, teams and even eras through numbers was a part of the special appeal to those wired to appreciate it. When we lost our Strat cards a group of us created a game with a combo of dice and cards. Of course there was no way to account for different player abilities but it didn't keep us from tracking detailed statistics as we Great memories! Sent from my iPad On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:17 AM, "ken goetsch" <_kshoes@charter.net_ (mailto:kshoes@charter.net) > wrote: You bet I played "strat"...........we had our own league as a kid of years 14-16. My pal, Steve and I played on the front porch of his house and then my house, always had Braves game on the radio, then then they moved to Atlanta, we were "crushed"....then we either had the Cubs, Sox, or the Cards game on the radio.[ our league broke up when we both had partime jobs at age 16......what a buzz kill, to go work] We even kept an official scorecard with era, averages. I always loved playing the infield in with less than 2 outs.......if my memory serves me right, I got "burned", more than I made out on that. I still have my complete set of cards for every team, then I cant quite remember what year it was........"strat" came out with the "old Timers set", with all the "classic " teams......I have all of those, I believe it was the 27' Yankees, Etc...........Then in 1968 "strat" came out with their NFL. game....I have that also, and all the cards. I believe it was a little more "clumsy" to play and we did not enjoy it as much. Hours of fun.......living the dream of being a big leaguer...................not a care in the world................ Thanks for "jogging" the "strat" memories today. Ken Goetsch anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _directorth@aol.com_ (mailto:directorth@aol.com) writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:02:23 -0500 (EST) To: bskp1@aol.com, ddejong17@gmail.com, kshoes@charter.net From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "STRAT-O-MATIC" Content-Language: en Everyone has a story from when they were young and playing strat-o-matic. I am old and still playing it. Is that a cause for concern? Randy Welk In a message dated 12/14/2013 8:49:38 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, bskp1@aol.com writes: I remember my brother John (who starred at linebacker for UConn in 1970-73), played this game a lot. Here is what he told me today: " Chuck: we played NFL strat-o-matic in college for a couple of years until one key player withdrew from school. we had league standings, kept stats, etc. numerous outbreaks of rage and a few scuffles caused by taunting. we spent 20-30 hours per week on it; even during football season when we were spending 40-50 hours per week on practice, meetings, travel to games, etc. I even made up my own cards for college teams. In a message dated 12/14/2013 7:36:17 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, ddejong17@gmail.com writes: Start-o-matic was awesome, but also polarizing. I had friends that would get together and we would play all the time, keeping the stats and scorecards in a folder like it was sacred stuff. Our other neighborhood kids thought it was crazy. I have always thought the statistics of baseball and it lends itself to compare players, teams and even eras through numbers was a part of the special appeal to those wired to appreciate it. When we lost our Strat cards a group of us created a game with a combo of dice and cards. Of course there was no way to account for different player abilities but it didn't keep us from tracking detailed statistics as we Great memories! Sent from my iPad On Dec 14, 2013, at 7:17 AM, "ken goetsch" <_kshoes@charter.net_ (mailto:kshoes@charter.net) > wrote: You bet I played "strat"...........we had our own league as a kid of years 14-16. My pal, Steve and I played on the front porch of his house and then my house, always had Braves game on the radio, then then they moved to Atlanta, we were "crushed"....then we either had the Cubs, Sox, or the Cards game on the radio.[ our league broke up when we both had partime jobs at age 16......what a buzz kill, to go work] We even kept an official scorecard with era, averages. I always loved playing the infield in with less than 2 outs.......if my memory serves me right, I got "burned", more than I made out on that. I still have my complete set of cards for every team, then I cant quite remember what year it was........"strat" came out with the "old Timers set", with all the "classic " teams......I have all of those, I believe it was the 27' Yankees, Etc...........Then in 1968 "strat" came out with their NFL. game....I have that also, and all the cards. I believe it was a little more "clumsy" to play and we did not enjoy it as much. Hours of fun.......living the dream of being a big leaguer...................not a care in the world................ Thanks for "jogging" the "strat" memories today. Ken Goetsch anyone play Stratomatic? In a message dated 12/12/2013 4:16:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, _directorth@aol.com_ (mailto:directorth@aol.com) writes: When we flipped, it was a little different than Grant's, but not by much. We'd take turns flipping our cards toward a wall; closest to the wall won all of them. No leaners allowed (I'm sure I got this rule from "The Book".). Once in a while we'd use a closet door as the target. The ultimate goal was to get your card completely under the closet door. I propose that we do some card flipping at the next National swap ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:54:12 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Snipers needed Hoping that someone can take these two sets out. 1971 Football: 138 guidry 150 sayers 1941 Play Ball! (picked up the Dimaggio, but left with a HOF'er): #72 Lefty Of course, trades are welcome. Let me know. ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 13:02:06 -0500 To: Mac Wubben From: Jake Elwell Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Snipers needed I can snipe 71 FB #138 if still needed. LMK... Jake > On Dec 14, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Mac Wubben wrote: > Hoping that someone can take these two sets out. > 1971 Football: 138 guidry 150 sayers > 1941 Play Ball! (picked up the Dimaggio, but left with a HOF'er): #72 Lefty > Of course, trades are welcome. Let me know. > Mac ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 12:19:30 -0600 To: Matthew Glidden From: TJ Valacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I need some help searching the Thanks server Thanks guys. I appreciate the help. I got it done! Sent from my iPhone On Dec 14, 2013, at 10:23 AM, Matthew Glidden wrote: > From the OBC Thanks conversation page (http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/OBC-Thanks/conversations/messages) I tried a similar search from the "Search Conversations" box at the top. > Putting in "Spike" and choosing "Search Groups" gave me a list of Thanks posts from others. Putting in my own email address showed my Thanks posts. Will that do it for you? > On Sat, Dec 14, 2013 at 12:30 AM, Jeffrey Whitworth >> I was wondering the same thing. I've relied heavily on that search function in the past. >> Jeff Whitworth >> On Friday, December 13, 2013 5:43 PM, "tvalacak@comcast.net" >> Gang, >> I am trying to figure how to search the Thanks server for Thanks that I have posted the last couple of months as I try and update my own files for cards flying in and out. In the old Yahoo site, it was very easy to searchthe Thanks history and just type in my "tjv815" as the author and all the Thanks that I posted over a certain period would pop up. Does anyone have any idea how to do this in the new Yahoo format? Any help is appreciate. Thanks >> TJ ================= Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2013 19:09:59 +0000 (UTC) To: Jake , Mac From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Snipers needed i probably have 10 extra Guidry cards....
No extra Sayers yet, as I don't have all 14. ;)

OBC Forever

Brian

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================= Date: 14 Dec 2013 12:30:00 -0800 To: From: Subject: Cincinnati time ================= Date: 14 Dec 2013 18:56:12 -0800 To: From: Subject: set complated ================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 09:10:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: starter sets avail 1961 Topps baseball: 40 diff 1964 Topps baseball: 41 diff 1974-75 Topps basketball: 78 diff ================= To: Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 08:23:07 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: OBC grade? You can find a good assortment of OBC grade cards on our website at: http://oldbaseball.com/funstuff/tipton.html Tipton's on Parade which is found on the OBC Specials Page. George Vrechek ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: 15 Dec 2013 08:26:32 -0800 From: obclynn15@yahoo.com Subject: Join my Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf group Hello obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com You have been invited to join Lynn Miller's Private Group in Yahoo Sports Fantasy Golf. In order to join the group, just go to http://golf.fantasysports.yahoo.com/golf and click on the "Sign Up" button to create a team. After completing registration, or if you already have a team, click the "Create or Join Group" button and follow the path to join an existing private group. Then, when prompted, enter the following information... Group ID#: 2297 Password: obc We will send you a confirmation with further details once you have completed the registration process. Note from Lynn Miller: Time for another season for the duffers like me in the group to have a some a little fun and some friendly competition again. Would like to see more OBCers this year if we can. Password is obc Hope to see a lot of you in the mix. Fore!! Lynn -- Fantasy Golf Commissionerhttp://golf.fantasysports.yahoo.com/golf ================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 13:34:08 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Doug DeJong Subject: Anyone else having trouble? It has been a couple months since I updated my on line wantlist so I went to update it this morning, but the system won't accept my password. I can access everything else fine but not the wantlist. When I click the button to email me my password suddenly an old wantlist template comes up for me stating it was last updated in 2007! Then I noticed that my wantlist that is posted is from October 2012.....and I know there have been multiple updates made in the past 14 months. Is anyone else who using the wantlist feature of our website having an ================= Date: 15 Dec 2013 10:40:39 -0800 To: From: Subject: heck - bad news ================= Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 18:56:47 +0000 (UTC) To: rjsfgmv , OBC-Ramblings From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] heck - bad news My prayers recited Randy...you are right, you'll feel better in time and OBC isn't all about cards
OBC forever

Brian

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================= To: rjsfgmv@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2013 19:49:13 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] heck - bad news Tell Alison that all of us in OBC has your family in our thoughts and prayers. It may seem like little consolation, but at least she got to spendtime with him last week. An extra memory for her. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: rjsfgmv To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Dec 15, 2013 1:40 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] heck - bad news Sorry to post this around Christmas time. I thought a lot about whether to do this or not. Yesterday morning my wife got a call from the coroner- her son (my step-son) died. He (justin) was about 30 years old. He lived in Fresno and she hungout with him just a couple of days ago and he was fine. They do not know why he died. They say they will find out over the next month. Anyhow, I know many of you pray. Please pray for her. Today is the anniversary of her mom's death also. I think she will be ok. But, yikes that is a lot to deal with. OBC is more than cards. I have seen that over and over again. I believe prayer works. I really do. And I believe OBC goodwill and good thoughts work too. I am in between churches and in between friends and you guys are all I got. We will be fine and even happy again soon so don't let this message bum youout. Just say a quick prayer for Alison please. ================= Date: 15 Dec 2013 17:20:32 -0800 To: From: Subject: Redford report ================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 12:20:12 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings From: Marshall West Subject: TIPTON'S ON PARADE! I'm sorry, but I spewed coffee onto my monitor for the first time in years. TIPTON'S ON PARADE cracks me up. I know this is not a contest or anything like that, but I have to nominate GRANT RAINSLEY'S card for the OBC 2013 CHRISTMAS CARD OF THE YEAR!! Thanks so much for the link. Ya'all made my day! Marshall West ================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:12:27 -0600 To: Grant Rainsley , From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? [1 Attachment] Oh, I like that! Greg (yaz) On 12/14/2013 9:02 AM, Grant Rainsley wrote: > [Attachment(s) <#TopText> from Grant Rainsley included below] > '55 Bowman Mick, via OBC, and I will NEVER replace it with an upgrade. > Who could ask for more than 8 sharp corners??? (16, if you count the > back.) > Grant > *From:*OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Rob Bessette > *Sent:* December-14-13 6:28 AM > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? > This might have been done at some point, but since I'm new here, > figured I'd ask. > Have you guys ever showed off your best OBC condition card? And by > "best" I mean worst. Haha. > Would love to see some beaters. Rips, tears, writing, trimming. > Anything that is just super unique. I'd imagine quite a few have > passed through the hands of OBCers over the years. > Happy holidays > Rob > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6919 - Release Date: 12/13/13 ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 18:23:17 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? Corners? Cards have corners? Richard D To: grains@shaw.ca; robsbessette@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: yazobc@insightbb.com Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:12:27 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? Oh, I like that! Greg (yaz) On 12/14/2013 9:02 AM, Grant Rainsley =9255 Bowman Mick, via OBC, and I will NEVER replace it with an upgrade. Who could ask for more than 8 sharp corners??? (16, if you count the back.) [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Rob Bessette Sent: December-14-13 6:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? This might have been done at some point, but since I'm new here, figured I'd ask. Have you guys ever showed off your best OBC condition card? And by "best" I mean worst. Haha. Would love to see some beaters. Rips, tears, writing, trimming. Anything that is just super unique. I'd imagine quite a few have passed through the hands of OBCers over the years. Happy holidays No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6919 - Release Date: 12/13/13 ================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 17:29:04 -0600 To: Rob Bessette , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC grade? I actually have a link on my page to a nice 'Tipton' Babe Ruth card from my 1962 Topps set. It's been there for about 15 years and the graphics I added are a bit old-fashioned but man, this card has it all, (except some sewer smell). This may be my 'best' Tipton but I have another that I'm hiding until such time I can pass it on. Got to get a replacement for it first though. Greg (yaz) On 12/14/2013 8:27 AM, Rob Bessette wrote: > This might have been done at some point, but since I'm new here, > figured I'd ask. > Have you guys ever showed off your best OBC condition card? And by > "best" I mean worst. Haha. > Would love to see some beaters. Rips, tears, writing, trimming. > Anything that is just super unique. I'd imagine quite a few have > passed through the hands of OBCers over the years. > Happy holidays > Rob ================= Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2013 20:48:15 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Advancing to the Fantasy Football Super Bowl Came into tonight needing my kicker to keep pace with Megatron to advance to Fantasy Super Bowl. Thank goodness Justin Tucker is my kicker. Mike Mackie ================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 11:25:17 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jake Elwell Subject: Couple of real wild ones for you "miscut" collectors Especially like the 71 Brock =85 http://www.ebay.com/itm/291039720907?ssPageNameSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksidp3984.m1423.l2649 ================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 17:20:53 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Bob Saxton Subject: Tiptons on Parade Here is my submission. The very first baseball cards I owned were 53 Topps that I found in a pile on a dirt garage floor. This is one I was ableto salvage. At age 10 the best I could do to save it from completely delaminating was to wrap it in cellophane tape. There were probably about 50 cards in the pile, most that weren't touching the dirt were in decent shapeand I still have all of them. A few were so rotted that I threw them away. ================= To: "'Bob Saxton'" , Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 18:01:55 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Tiptons on Parade [2 Attachments] Beauty.........and somewhere out there, you have Guru salivating.........his GGS Company is about to take off...............time to buy shares. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Saxton Sent: December-17-13 5:21 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tiptons on Parade [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Bob Saxton included below] Here is my submission. The very first baseball cards I owned were 53 Topps that I found in a pile on a dirt garage floor. This is one I was able to salvage. At age 10 the best I could do to save it from completely delaminating was to wrap it in cellophane tape. There were probably about 50 cards in the pile, most that weren't touching the dirt were in decent shape and I still have all of them. A few were so rotted that I threw them No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6928 - Release Date: 12/17/13 ================= Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 19:33:30 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bears/Eagles wager? Fellas -- Matt's last email reminded me of the Bears big match-up with the Eagles this weekend! Both team's desperately need a win to control their fate, so it should be good. Any of you Bears or Eagles fans want to wager a card on the game, straight-up on the score? If so, let me know. I'll keep track of the Bears backers and Eagles backers, and the losers can send something to each winner. Who's in? Go Bears!! ================= To: "'Geno Wagner'" , Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2013 22:41:41 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Eagles wager? Oh, I'm in! Saint Nick delivers. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geno Wagner Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:34 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Eagles wager? Fellas -- Matt's last email reminded me of the Bears big match-up with the Eagles this weekend! Both team's desperately need a win to control their fate, so it should be good. Any of you Bears or Eagles fans want to wager a card on the game, straight-up on the score? If so, let me know. I'll keep track of the Bears backers and Eagles backers, and the losers can send something to each winner. Who's in? Go Bears!! ================= Date: 18 Dec 2013 03:45:28 -0800 To: From: Subject: re: Tiptons on Parade ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 04:46:06 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: OBC Grade cards I'm sure I'veshared this one before. I received this some years back from an OBCer althoughme ol' noggin can't quite remember who(young Mr Rittenberg, perhaps?). Anyway, it is one of my favorite cards and takes an honored spot on my "Shelf of Fame". 1957T Ray Boone - This card was torn in half at some point, but was obviously so highly treasured that the owner went to the hassle of sewing it back together. ================= To: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:35:51 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Couple of real wild ones for you "miscut" collectors $15.50 minimum for two cards that are worth somewhere around 4 cents. Some great deals out there. ================= To: Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 08:36:28 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Bears/Eagles wager? I'm in - for the Bears. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 10:37:40 -0800 To: OBC Ramblings From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Arizona Heading out on Sunday for the holidays it will not be the same without TJ there but if Jeff or anyone else is going to be there love to meet up. Coming back on January 3. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 12:51:01 -0600 To: Geno Wagner From: TJ Valacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Eagles wager? I'm in for the Bears. Our d might give up 40+ points, but I'm banking on our o to put up 50 Sent from my iPhone On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:33 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > Matt's last email reminded me of the Bears big match-up with the Eagles this weekend! Both team's desperately need a win to control their fate, so it should be good. Any of you Bears or Eagles fans want to wager a card onthe game, straight-up on the score? If so, let me know. I'll keep track of the Bears backers and Eagles backers, and the losers can send something to each winner. Who's in? > Go Bears!! > Geno ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 18:48:20 -0500 To: Doug DeJong , OBC Ramblings From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone else having trouble? ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 16:01:01 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bears/Eagles Matchup, so far So far, we have: Bears : Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell Eagles: Labs, Yudt Gotta be more Iggles than that! Take Care, ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 22:30:18 -0500 To: larrytipton From: Catfish Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: Tiptons on Parade [1 Attachment] In other words, $32... Catfish On December 18, 2013 at 6:45:28 AM EST, larrytipton@windstream.net wrote: [Attachment(s) from larrytipton@windstream.net included below]Dont know if I've ever shared this card. Cost $30 and a 1988 Score baseball factory set: ================= Date: Wed, 18 Dec 2013 20:26:38 -0800 To: Geno Wagner From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Eagles Matchup, so far Ill take the eagles Sent from my iPad > On Dec 18, 2013, at 4:01 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > So far, we have: > Bears : Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell > Eagles: Labs, Yudt > Gotta be more Iggles than that! > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 10:29:49 -0800 To: Ramblings OBC From: Stamper Subject: I moved... After 23 years in the same house I moved. I have been real busy the last couple months with life. I met a wonderful lady. We have been together a little more than 3 months. She is an amazing woman and we are crazy about each other. We are now living together. I put my house up for sale. Sold in 4 days with a thirty day escrow. I was not really prepared to sell and definitely not to move out within a month or so. I have spent the past month cleaning, fixing, painting and moving. After 23 years in the same place I acquired a massive amount if stuff. No room for a lot of it in the new place. So I thinned out a bunch of stuff. Not cards though. I was able to get all thecards over here without having them take over the house. Went from a four bedroom with pool and half acre with more than 60 trees to a 3 bedroom 2 story with a postage stamp lot. We turned one room into a guest bedroom. Now occupied by her Daughter who is relocating from Las Vegas with her three dogs. The other room became an office where most of my cards are. I picture the floor falling out from under me, like in the cartoons, from all the weight of the cards and binders. Over 100 binders and about 20 3,500 count dupeboxes. Not to mention the furniture, the Dodger Stadium old wooden seats and all the old vinyl records. It has been an adventure and last night I moved the last items from the oldhouse and Escrow closed. So I am completely in the new place. I still havea tremendous amount of organizing to do in the garage. However all the heavy lifting is done. We are having a Christmas Party on Saturday with more than 40 people coming and a bunch are spending the night. We still are prepping for that. On Monday I am heading to the office for a little card time. Can't wait!!! It's been since before Halloween that I updated my web site and I have many Thanks to send out. I did find time the other night to get my Secret Santa gift in the mail though. I am so excited about what 2014 has to offer and about starting on a wonderful journey with Karyn in our new home. Thanks for reading John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91307 ================= Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 23:30:07 +0000 (UTC) To: Stamper From: familytoad@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I moved... Awesome John...I'm so pleased for you! OBC Forever! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stamper" To: "Ramblings OBC" Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 10:29:49 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I moved... After 23 years in the same house I moved. I have been real busy the last couple months with life. I met a wonderful lady. We have been together a little more than 3 months. She is an amazing woman and we are crazy about each other. We are now living together. I put my house up for sale. Sold in 4 days with a thirty day escrow. I was not really prepared to sell and definitely not to move out within a month or so. I have spent the past month cleaning, fixing, painting and moving. After 23 years in the same place I acquired a massive amount if stuff. No room for a lot of it in the new place. So Ithinned out a bunch of stuff. Not cards though. I was able to get all the cards over here without having them take over the house. Went from a four bedroom with pool and half acre with more than 60 trees to a 3 bedroom 2 story with a postage stamp lot. We turned one room into a guest bedroom. Now occupied by her Daughter who is relocating from Las Vegas with her three dogs. The other room became an office where most of my cards are. I picture the floor falling out from under me, like in the cartoons, from all the weight of the cards and binders. Over 100 binders and about 20 3,500 count dupe boxes. Not to mention the furniture, the Dodger Stadium old wooden seats and all the old vinyl records. It has been an adventure and last night I moved the last items from the oldhouse and Escrow closed. So I am completely in the new place. I still havea tremendous amount of organizing to do in the garage. However all the heavy lifting is done. We are having a Christmas Party on Saturday with more than 40 people coming and a bunch are spending the night. We still are prepping for that. On Monday I am heading to the office for a little card time. Can't wait!!! It's been since before Halloween that I updated my web site and I have many Thanks to send out. I did find time the other night to get my Secret Santa gift in the mail though. I am so excited about what 2014 has to offer and about starting on a wonderful journey with Karyn in our new home. Thanks for reading John Stamper 503 Aspen View Ct. Oak Park, Ca. 91307 ================= To: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2013 23:54:12 +0000 From: Subject: FW: [uvlist] Thanks to Ant Arbeeny From: uvlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:uvlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of zackenback23 Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2013 6:50 PM To: uvlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: [uvlist] Thanks to Ant Arbeeny Ant sends an 81-82 Topps Bsktball Chris Ford, along with 2 1990 Postt, 2 1992 Post and a 1987 Kmart. Thanks Ant! 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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:00:13 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: need new website page hey all, getting tired of my freewebs site, either I am not able to get in and update or I lose a whole page (like todays football page). if you are using a free site that you like and it is very user friendly please let me know. and thanks John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: "John Dahms" ,"OBC ramblings" Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:02:39 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] need new website page ================= To: John Dahms , OBC ramblings Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 12:22:29 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] need new website page I've been fairly happy with weebly.com. I've had no problems accessing or updating on weebly in the past 6 moths or so since I setup my pages there. YMMV regarding what level of functionality your are looking for. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jd3681@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 09:00:13 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] need new website page hey all, getting tired of my freewebs site, either I am not able to get in and update or I lose a whole page (like todays football page). if you are using a free site that you like and it is very user friendly please let me and thanks John Dahms3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601Jackson, MI49202I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site.http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2013 17:01:00 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bears/ Eagles final tally? Fellas -- Looks like we have four on each side of the equation. Still room for more! Remember, every loser needs to send something to every winner. Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell Eagles: Labs, Yudt, Wubben, and Lyons Take Care, ================= To: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 07:50:07 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Dormant 1964 Topps wantlist I was looking at my list after get a hit on my 75 Hostess set for the first time in 18 months. It got me to thinking of which set has gone the longest without a hit. Oddly enough, it was the 64 Topps list. It was hit last when Kit came to Wilmington and we had an OBC hand shake over breakfast over 2 years (26 months actually). Is there something that I am missing on this set? I never hear any discussion of high numbers being particularly more difficult that the others. Just wondering if there are SPs or something. Thanks. Looking for feedback from the group. 1964 Topps - (Last hit by Kit Okamuro of OBC on 10/1/2011 in person) 8 Kaline/Yaz, 9 Aaron/Mays/McCovey, 371 F Howard, 407,412,435,440 Clemente,448,452,455,458,460 Gibson,463,464,465,468 G Larsen,514,520,527,530,531,532,533,534,537,538 Minoso,539,541 P Niekro,543 Uecker,546,547 Hodges,548,550,555,562,563, 565,567,568,571,572,574,576,577,578,580,581,582,583,586 Piersall This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:21:10 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Bessette Subject: Anyone need 1972 Topps low #s? I have about 150 extras. Just let me know If there is anything you're looking Happy holidays! ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:30:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings , OBC Thanks From: Catfish Subject: Correction Gary Mandell corrects me on an earlier thanks posting. Catfish Hunter's RC was actually in the 1965 Topps set, not the 1966 set. The '65 card was an A's Rookies that also featured Johnny "Blue Moon" Odom. Thanks for the info Gary! Jimmy "Catfish" Parker...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:04:06 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: MarkZ Subject: Re: need new website page Weebly works great for me also No matter which you choose, it is important that your site views well from a mobile device, since so many folks access that way nowdays Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:54:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: 2nd call for website design suggestions My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a database to drive information on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helped him out with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he says none of the cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but he tells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluff and asked him to sketch out a stronger design. Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would like to see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed it by the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will be an unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done, we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly ( wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) and we can get the work started pretty soon. ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:59:39 -0500 (EST) To: wayne.m.delia@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions Content-Language: en i have noticed that with some members using the obc website for their wantlists that they have the ability to provide links to more than one page. in the past, i thought this was not possible. so here is an obcac and web design question (s): can we make this function (multiple pages with one main page) available to and if so, if the main page contains nothing but pre-80s baseball, could the other pages contain things such as UV, football, non-sports? In a message dated 12/21/2013 9:54:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, wayne.m.delia@gmail.com writes: My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a database to information on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helped him out with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he says none of the cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but he tells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluff and asked him to sketch out a stronger design. Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would like to see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed by the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will be an unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done, we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly (_wayne.m.delia@gmail.com_ (mailto:wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) ) and we can get the work started pretty soon. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:25:37 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions Wouldn't it be nice if I had, say a 1956 #99 Topps card and I could just enter it into a search and find out who needed it? I know it may require that we have our wantlists in a specific format and aspecific place, but maybe it wouldn't be so hard for us to do. Richard D To: wayne.m.delia@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:59:39 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions i have noticed that with some members using the obc website for their wantlists that they have the ability to provide links to more than one page. in the past, i thought this was not possible. so here is an obcac and web design question (s): can we make this function (multiple pages with one main page) available to and if so, if the main page contains nothing but pre-80s baseball, could the other pages contain things such as UV, football, non-sports? In a message dated 12/21/2013 9:54:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, wayne.m.delia@gmail.com writes: My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a databaseto drive information on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helped him out with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he saysnone of the cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but he tells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluff and asked him to sketch out a stronger design. Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would like to see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed it by the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will be an unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done, we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly (wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) and we can get the work started pretty soon. 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: wayne.m.delia@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 11:26:05 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions We've talked a few times about having a more standard way of people puttingin their wantlists, so anyone could search by year, card #, player, etc., if you had something available to swap. Also the ability to put pictures on Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Wayne Delia To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 10:54 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a database to drive information on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helped himout with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he says none of the cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but hetells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluff and asked him to sketch out a stronger design. Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would like to see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed it by the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will bean unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done, we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly (wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) and we can get the work started pretty soon. ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 08:42:43 -0800 To: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" From: Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions Two things come to mind. 1) in the address list, that is only visible to members, we should be able to click on an "ABC" tab like we can when we are in the member directory. Instead of scrolling all the way down the list. 2) Expanding on Richards idea of having a searchable database. If we set upa database where each member listed their missing cards by year and number. The member would have to input this info and when they received a card take that number off. This would allow everyone to still have their existing web site. It would work similar to "Who Collects What" only more detailed. John Stamper On Dec 21, 2013, at 8:26 AM, mikesportsfan@aol.com wrote: > We've talked a few times about having a more standard way of people putting in their wantlists, so anyone could search by year, card #, player, etc., if you had something available to swap. Also the ability to put pictureson > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Wayne Delia > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 10:54 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions > My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a database to driveinformation on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helped him out with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. > He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he says none ofthe cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but he tells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluffand asked him to sketch out a stronger design. > Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would liketo see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed itby the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will be an unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done, we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. > So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly (wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) and we can get the work started pretty soon. > Best, > WMD ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 09:27:27 -0800 To: richard dingman From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions I agree with Richard--this would be the best possible thing we could do to facilitate the movement of cards. Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 21, 2013, at 8:25 AM, richard dingman wrote: > Wouldn't it be nice if I had, say a 1956 #99 Topps card and I could just enter it into a search and find out who needed it? > I know it may require that we have our wantlists in a specific format anda specific place, but maybe it wouldn't be so hard for us to do. > Richard D > To: wayne.m.delia@gmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: smartalecx@aol.com > Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 10:59:39 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions > i have noticed that with some members using the obc website for their wantlists that they have the ability to provide links to more than one page. in the past, i thought this was not possible. > so here is an obcac and web design question (s): > can we make this function (multiple pages with one main page) available to > and if so, if the main page contains nothing but pre-80s baseball, could the other pages contain things such as UV, football, non-sports? > gm > In a message dated 12/21/2013 9:54:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, wayne.m.delia@gmail.com > My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a database to driveinformation on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helped him out with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. > He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he says none ofthe cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but he tells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluffand asked him to sketch out a stronger design. > Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would liketo see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed itby the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will be an unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done, we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. > So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly (wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) and we can get the work started pretty soon. > Best, > WMD > Gary Mandell > 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 > Chicago, IL 60613-5518 > http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html > Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, wayne.m.delia@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:59:48 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions Long ago the OBCAC decided we can have links to UV lists. There has never been any prohibition to put other sports (and even the heathen non-sports) lists on our "main pages", so a link to those is certainly acceptable. Very similar to what you currently do with your Coke caps. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: smartalecx To: wayne.m.delia ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2nd call for website design suggestions i have noticed that with some members using the obc website for their wantlists that they have the ability to provide links to more than one page. inthe past, i thought this was not possible. so here is an obcac and web design question (s): can we make this function (multiple pages with one main page) available to everybody? and if so, if the main page contains nothing but pre-80s baseball, could the other pages contain things such as UV, football, non-sports? In a message dated 12/21/2013 9:54:50 A.M. Central Standard Time, wayne.m.delia@gmail.com My son Joe is home from college for winter break. One of his last assignments in an advanced web design class was to make use of a database to drive information on a web page for the Ithaca College radio station. I helpedhim out with some database design, so he owes me a big favor. He took a look at our OBC web page and laughed, saying "The 1990's called, they want their web site back." We're using frames, which he says none of the cool kids use any more. I figure it generally serves its purpose, but he tells me there's so much more we could do with it, so I called his bluff and asked him to sketch out a stronger design. Now would be a really good time to make suggestions on what we would like to see in our web site, whether it's a list of problems to correct or information to re-organize or new features that would be useful. I've passed it by the OBCAC and this will be worked with the understanding that Joe will be an unpaid intern, and depending on the work he's able to get done,we might give him a letter of recommendation so he can use the experience as a line item on his resume. He's majoring in math and computer science, and he needs all the real-world experience he can get. So let me know either through OBC-Ramblings or email me directly (wayne.m.delia@gmail.com) and we can get the work started pretty soon. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:42:59 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: mark zentkovich Subject: 56 ted williams auction on sportlots rough looking 56 williams currently at 30.00 on sportlots if anyone is interested.. mark zentkovich ================= To: Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:59:37 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: T218s, Ace Parker, and Library articles Two new articles I wrote for SCD have been posted to our library page. They appeared in December SCDs. Thanks to the OBCers who first got me interested in the T218 set at the 2013 National and for some of the information to help me research the set. The article on T218s can be found at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/T218.pdf. Let me know if it doesn't come through clearly on your computer. There were some earlier conversion issues on the Now that I have become enthused about the T218s, I'm interested in exchanging duplicates with anyone else who might have any of the hundreds of back variations I "need." The second article is about the passing of Ace Parker, 101. He played against Lou Gehrig, Sam Snead, and Bronko Nagurski. That article can be found at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/ACE_PARKER.pdf George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 17:00:01 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Tough night Fellas -- My daughter was thrown from her horse this afternoon, so we took her to theER. Turns out she's bruised, but OK. Unfortunately, while we were there we found out her friend, Claire Davis, had died. Claire is the girl who was shot in high school last week. Erika rides with Claire in the local horse shows, so she's very shook up. Been a tough night for my little girl=E2=A6but worse for the Davis family. Keep them in your thoughts this season. Take Care, ================= To: mark zentkovich , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 20:23:48 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 56 ted williams auction on sportlots They don't even show backs on this site?? Or tell what color it is?? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mzentko@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 21 Dec 2013 16:42:59 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 56 ted williams auction on sportlots rough looking 56 williams currently at 30.00 on sportlots if anyone is mark zentkovich ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 05:21:00 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Re: [OBC-Thanks] Making a visitor feel at home Don't you just love/hate the arrogance of this guy.............I surely don't know everything......so "I" would have said "thanks very much" for the information, and proceeded like "human being".............. Ken Goetsch ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 21, 2013 11:27 AM Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Making a visitor feel at home I had to work in Cinci for a few days this week. On the way down on Monday nite, I met up with Wes Shepard around Dayton (an hour north of Cinci) for dinner and to watch my Lions blow another game. While I did not have timeto pull cards for anyone, Wes was kind enough to pull 5 1949 gray back variations from his own set for me. On Tuesday nite, Gersh picks me up at my hotel and we end up going across the river too Newport on the Levee for dinner. Gersh hands me over a 1950 Bowman BB with copyright variation to get meto within 3 of the with copyright versions. Seems like variety was the spice of life with these 2 fine OBCers. Wes had also told me about a card shop on the northern fringe of Dayton, and on the way home Thursday, I stopped in. It was a coin shop that also sold military items and cards. The guy in charge of the cards was NOT helpfulor friendly. He also would not budge a single cent on any item and charged sales tax. Even with that, I found some items at a price too good to passup. Some old marked checklists, 62 Post shortprint McCovey and Marichal, miscut, aouple of star cards, 66 Browns Coke caps, etc. I kept asking for anything odd and eclectic, and he was not really forthcoming. I noticed a stack of TCMA cards he had on his desk behind the counter. He said he had notpriced them yet, so they were not for sale. I let him know I was from out of town, and did not know if I would be back this way again. Too bad, they are not yet for sale. Did I mention that his Coke caps were marked as 1964/65, although they were all 1966??? I mentioned it to him, and told him how to tell the difference. He did not change the label, for the ones I did nottake. He also had a 63 Jello, marked as Post. He did not care. Other thantaking what I thought were real good buys, I would have no desire to go back to this shop. Mike Rich ================= To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 07:36:16 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T218s, Ace Parker, and Library articles Amazing article on the T-218s. Even though I have a complete base set (built primarily by Mark Talbot), I still learned a lot. I also have a good start on the C-52 version. If you have a complete (or at least the 109 known) list, I would appreciate it. I currently am only aware of 8 cards that were double numbered, and do not have all the other numbers filled in yet. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: George Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Dec 21, 2013 7:59 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] T218s, Ace Parker, and Library articles Two new articles I wrote for SCD have been posted to our library page. Theyappeared in December SCDs. Thanks to the OBCers who first got me interested in the T218 set at the 2013 National and for some of the information to help me research the set. The article on T218s can be found at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/T218.pdf. Let me know if it doesn=E2=99t come through clearly on your computer. There were some earlier conversion issues on the pdf. Now that I have become enthused about the T218s, I=E2=99m interested in exchanging duplicates with anyone else who might have any of the hundreds of back variations I =E2=9Cneed.=E2=9D The second article is about the passing of Ace Parker, 101. He played against Lou Gehrig, Sam Snead, and Bronko Nagurski. That article can be found at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/ACE_PARKER.pdf George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 15:28:31 -0500 From: "Gord Ellis" Subject: Secret Santa I forgot. Who runs the Secret Santa? Gord ================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 14:06:15 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: a double flat thanks to TJ got home yesterday to find a double flat worth of football for my 70's topps sets. great stuff TJ and just remember to have your wife movethe mailbox farther away each day. thanks buddy for the help and thanks OBC John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 19:11:09 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: Re: T218s, Ace Parker, and Library articles Great articles! I have the track and field sub-set and a few others. I havetype cards for the back variations and dabbled with the C52 track and field sub-set. The colors on those cards are spectacular That is pretty funny that the discrepancy for the spelling on Gills was corrected by making it wrong in all instances! Now I have one more to add to the Ed Pike ================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 01:44:41 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC , Geno From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tough night Sending blessings, prayers and hope your way, Geno.
These school tragedies simply have to stop!

OBC Forever

Brian

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================= Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2013 20:30:55 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Fellas -- As Will Ferrell said in Anchorman, "that really escalated in a hurry!" Holy crap=E2=A6that was a beat down! Cards will be headed out to the Eagles backers. But more importantly=E2=A6. It sets up a showdown with Packer Backers! Same deal=E2=A6email meif you want to wager on the Bears or the Packers and we'll see which woeful team can win the North. Take Care, > From: Geno Wagner >To: OBC Ramblings >Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:01 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? >Fellas -- >Looks like we have four on each side of the equation. Still room formore! Remember, every loser needs to send something to every winner. >Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell >Eagles: Labs, Yudt, Wubben, and Lyons >Take Care, ================= Date: 23 Dec 2013 03:24:21 -0800 To: From: Subject: freak luck ================= To: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:46:03 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Bears/ Eagles final tally? I'm just glad the number of cards going to the winners wasn't based on the point spread. George Vrechek Did the Bears actually play last night? ================= To: Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 08:14:02 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Bears/ Eagles final tally? As to any possible Bears/Packers wagers, any remaining Bears fans will want points. Lots of points, if you watched last night. George Vrechek ================= To: "George Vrechek" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:23:27 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bears/ Eagles final tally? It's bad when the Eagles took care of the "over" by themselves. Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: "George Vrechek" Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 07:46:03 To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bears/ Eagles final tally? I'm just glad the number of cards going to the winners wasn't based on the point spread. George Vrechek Did the Bears actually play last night? ================= To: "George Vrechek" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 16:23:33 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Bears/ Eagles final tally? ================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 10:56:48 -0600 To: Geno Wagner From: TJ Valacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Man, I knew the bears d was bad, but we SUCKED. With that being said, countme Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > As Will Ferrell said in Anchorman, "that really escalated in a hurry!" Holy crap=E2=A6that was a beat down! Cards will be headed out to the Eagles backers. But more importantly=E2=A6. > It sets up a showdown with Packer Backers! Same deal=E2=A6email me ifyou want to wager on the Bears or the Packers and we'll see which woeful team can win the North. > Take Care, > Geno > From: Geno Wagner > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:01 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? > Fellas -- > Looks like we have four on each side of the equation. Still room for more! Remember, every loser needs to send something to every winner. > Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell > Eagles: Labs, Yudt, Wubben, and Lyons > Take Care, > Geno ================= To: "'TJ Valacak'" , Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 12:30:32 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Hmmmm. Maybe I'll take the Packers. On 2nd thought - any Cowboys fans want Go Eagles!! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TJ Valacak Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:57 AM To: Geno Wagner Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Man, I knew the bears d was bad, but we SUCKED. With that being said, count me in. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: Fellas -- As Will Ferrell said in Anchorman, "that really escalated in a hurry!" Holy crap.that was a beat down! Cards will be headed out to the Eagles backers. But more importantly.. It sets up a showdown with Packer Backers! Same deal.email me if you want to wager on the Bears or the Packers and we'll see which woeful team can win the North. Take Care, From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Fellas -- Looks like we have four on each side of the equation. Still room for more! Remember, every loser needs to send something to every winner. Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell Eagles: Labs, Yudt, Wubben, and Lyons Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 12:42:13 -0500 (EST) To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Content-Language: en the bears lost to the vikings once, and i they beat them by a single point the other time. the vikings just crushed the eagles (not that they are the better team). the bears lost twice to the lions, who couldn't beat anybody the second half of the season. they squeaked by the rodgers-less packers who played with a backup qb who had no time to prepare. mccown looked good against 3 of the worst pass defenses in the league, and lost two other games. i didn't bet 'cuz i didn't want to bet against the bears in public, but they may now be the worst team in the worst division in football. not sure if i want to see them humiliated in the playoffs, or just to go home early. lets see if the GM Emery can fix the D as fast as he fixed the O this year. well, we still have the bull, err, never mind. we still have the sox, err never mind. we still have the cub, err, never mind. GO HAWKS!!!! In a message dated 12/23/2013 11:30:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, yudts5@verizon.net writes: Hmmmm. Maybe I=E2=99ll take the Packers. On 2nd thought - any Cowboysfans want in?? Go Eagles!! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TJ Valacak Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:57 AM To: Geno Wagner Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Man, I knew the bears d was bad, but we SUCKED. With that being said, count me in. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Geno Wagner <_illini_grad_90@yahoo.com_ (mailto:illini_grad_90@yahoo.com) > wrote: Fellas -- As Will Ferrell said in Anchorman, "that really escalated in a hurry!" Holy crap=E2=A6that was a beat down! Cards will be headed out to the Eagles backers. But more importantly=E2=A6. It sets up a showdown with Packer Backers! Same deal=E2=A6email me if you to wager on the Bears or the Packers and we'll see which woeful team can win the North. Take Care, From: Geno Wagner <_illini_grad_90@yahoo.com_ (mailto:illini_grad_90@yahoo.com) > To: OBC Ramblings <_obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Fellas -- Looks like we have four on each side of the equation. Still room for more! Remember, every loser needs to send something to every winner. Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell Eagles: Labs, Yudt, Wubben, and Labs, Take Care, ================= Date: 23 Dec 2013 10:05:10 -0800 To: From: Subject: the keyboard survived, the mouse....not so much ================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 11:45:45 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bears/Packers tally Fellas -- The early numbers are in, and it looks like the Bears are favored by OBC: Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacek Packers: Elwell Still lots of time to join! Every loser pays every winner, but remember it's for fun. No pressure to find anything crazy on a tough list. Theidea is just to get some cards moving across the landscape. Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 20:35:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: Bears/Packers tally I'll take the LIONS!.... Oh, yeah, that's right, they cha-cha-cha-cha-CHOKED!! I'll help even up the sides - Count me in for the Packers. Mike Mroz --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > The early numbers are in, and it looks like the Bears are favored by OBC: > Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacek > Packers: Elwell > Still lots of time to join! Every loser pays every winner, but remember it's for fun. No pressure to find anything crazy on a tough list. The idea is just to get some cards moving across the landscape. > Take Care, > Geno ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 23 Dec 2013 22:37:13 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? You (Chicago) still have the Black Hawks. -----Original Message----- From: smartalecx To: illini_grad_90 Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Dec 23, 2013 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? the bears lost to the vikings once, and i they beat them by a single point the other time. the vikings just crushed the eagles (not that they are thebetter team). the bears lost twice to the lions, who couldn't beat anybody the second half of the season. they squeaked by the rodgers-less packerswho played with a backup qb who had no time to prepare. mccown looked good against 3 of the worst pass defenses in the league, and lost two other games. i didn't bet 'cuz i didn't want to bet against the bears in public, but they may now be the worst team in the worst division in football. not sure ifi want to see them humiliated in the playoffs, or just to go home early. lets see if the GM Emery can fix the D as fast as he fixed the O this year. well, we still have the bull, err, never mind. we still have the sox, err never mind. we still have the cub, err, never mind. GO HAWKS!!!! In a message dated 12/23/2013 11:30:37 A.M. Central Standard Time, yudts5@verizon.net Hmmmm. Maybe I=E2=99ll take the Packers. On 2nd thought - any Cowboys fans want in?? Go Eagles!! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of TJ Valacak Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 11:57 AM To: Geno Wagner Cc: OBC Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Man, I knew the bears d was bad, but we SUCKED. With that being said, count me in. Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2013, at 10:30 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: Fellas -- As Will Ferrell said in Anchorman, "that really escalated in a hurry!" Holy crap=E2=A6that was a beat down! Cards will be headed out to the Eagles backers. But more importantly=E2=A6. It sets up a showdown with Packer Backers! Same deal=E2=A6email me if you want to wager on the Bears or the Packers and we'll see which woeful team can win the North. Take Care, From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Friday, December 20, 2013 6:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/ Eagles final tally? Fellas -- Looks like we have four on each side of the equation. Still room formore! Remember, every loser needs to send something to every winner. Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak, and Elwell Eagles: Labs, Yudt, Wubben, and Lyons Take Care, ================= Date: 24 Dec 2013 08:04:01 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: Bears/Packers tally ================= Date: 24 Dec 2013 11:00:39 -0800 To: From: Subject: 2014 goals ================= Date: Tue, 24 Dec 2013 14:29:29 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2013 - 2014 NFL Playoff Pool Content-Language: en Happy Holidays to you all! Thought I would get a jump on things this year with a pre-Christmas announcement of this year's NFL Playoff pool. We had over a dozen participants last year, and it was a lot of fun, even if the team you root for is done for the year because it had one of the worst run defenses in the history of the NFL. Once again, I am going to be running a playoff pool for all those interested. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active each game. The entry fee is a baseball card, preferably pre-1980, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please wait to send your card to me until I know we have enough entries to proceed. If we do, then send the card at your earliest convenience to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. The playoff schedule won't be finalized until Sunday night, but as of now, is projected as follows: AFC Week 1: 6 Dolphins at 3 Bengals, 5 Colts at 4 Chiefs, 1 Broncos and 2 Patriots BYE (Ravens, Chargers, Steelers still in the hunt) AFC Week 2: 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Saints at 3 Eagles, 5 49ers at 4 Bears, 1 Seattle and 2 Panthers BYE (Cardinals, Cowboys, Packers still in the hunt) NFC Week 2: 1 Seahawks at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Panthers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 4-5 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 8 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PATs 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions or kick returns for Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four games). Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 8 AM. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 OCT, TB, DT, OBC ================= Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 06:40:48 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: My OBC Santa My OBC Santa was Matt Yudt and Matt sent me some great gifts! a) 1959 Fleer Ted Williams #75 featuring Ted and two key men in his life. The man who discovered him, Eddie Collins, and Teds boyhood idol, Babe Ruth. b) 1964 Topps coin #149 Hank Aaron All-Star SWEET! c) 1950 Bowman #23 Brooklyn Dodger Don Newcombe d) 1950 Bowman #100 NY Yank Vic Raschi I'm getting close on these Bowman sets! Thank You Very Much Matt, and I'm hoping all OBC members have a great Christmas! ================= Date: 25 Dec 2013 05:30:34 -0800 To: From: Subject: My OBC Secret Santa ================= Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 08:54:44 -0500 To: OBC-Thanks , obc ramblings From: OBC Subject: OBC Santa Thanks! Christmas morning thanks go out to my OBC Santa, John =E2=9CBama=E2=9D Harrell who sends a Ted Williams card! Ted comes courtesy of a 1951 Italian series called Sport del Mondo (Sports of the World). Ted was the only baseball player featured and as Bama points out, whoever designed the card obviously didn=E2=99t know much about America=E2=99s National Pastime. The card shows a hitter in the on-deck circle right next to Ted, who is in the right handed batter=E2=99s box, but swinging left handed - at a pitch that is above his head!!! Thanks Bama for a great addition to the oddball collection and a great story to go with it! Jimmy "Catfish" Parker...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 09:46:14 -0800 (PST) To: VCT , From: John Dahms Subject: merry christmas Just a quick Merry Christmas shout out to all of my trading freinds. May you find a whole lot of joy this Day. be well all John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:01:30 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Happy holidays and delayed OBC Santa Merry Christmas today to all OBC friends and quick thanks-in-advance to my Santa. Real thanks will have to wait for North Carolina vacation return on the 29th. In the meantime, great to catch everyone else's haul! Glad to be part of our season away from baseball season. ================= Date: 25 Dec 2013 17:51:25 -0800 To: From: Subject: merry ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:56:52 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: card shop in NJ Hi All Merry Xmas again! I'm dropping my kid and buddie off in the Poconos tomorrow AM for skiing and was going to head east over the Delaware and find a card shop in NJ - saw this on the net - http://www.attackofthebbcards.com/ Anyone ever heard of Attack of the BBcards? Looks like they do a lot of internet business. Any other shops in the north/central jersey area?? I would think most should be open, seems like a good time to get business. Matt Yudt ================= To: 'OBC Ramblings' Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 21:58:06 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] card shop in NJ I believe I stopped in there sometime last summer. He had no vintage at the time. Said there were no other card shops around for miles and I believehim. Very scarce in this area, don't know why, seems like a good market, esp for vintage, as bb history goes way back around here. Good luck and let us know if you find something. I will be back around that area in the spring, as I am every year for work. Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: yudts5@verizon.net Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:56:52 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] card shop in NJ Hi All Merry Xmas again! I=92m dropping my kid and buddie off in the Poconos tomorrow AM for skiing and was going to head east over the Delaware and find a card shop in NJ - saw this on the net - http://www.attackofthebbcards.com/ Anyone ever heard of Attack of the BBcards? Looks like they do a lot of internet business=85 Any other shops in the north/central jersey area?? I would think most should be open, seems like a good time toget Matt Yudt ================= To: "'richard dingman'" , Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 23:38:36 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] card shop in NJ Thanks Richard. actually looked like a couple in Wilkes Barre / Scranton. But the drive is getting longer. Let me know when you are in the area next summer! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of richard dingman Sent: Wednesday, December 25, 2013 9:58 PM To: 'OBC Ramblings' Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] card shop in NJ I believe I stopped in there sometime last summer. He had no vintage at the time. Said there were no other card shops around for miles and I believe him. Very scarce in this area, don't know why, seems like a good market, esp for vintage, as bb history goes way back around here. Good luck and let us know if you find something. I will be back around that area in the spring, as I am every year for work. Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: yudts5@verizon.net Date: Wed, 25 Dec 2013 20:56:52 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] card shop in NJ Hi All Merry Xmas again! I'm dropping my kid and buddie off in the Poconos tomorrow AM for skiing and was going to head east over the Delaware and find a card shop in NJ - saw this on the net - http://www.attackofthebbcards.com/ Anyone ever heard of Attack of the BBcards? Looks like they do a lot of internet business. Any other shops in the north/central jersey area?? I would think most should be open, seems like a good time to get business. Matt Yudt ================= Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 05:59:12 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bears/Packers tally, Pt 2 Fellas -- It appears Clay Mathews is too frightened to play the Monsters of the Midway, now we wait to see if Rodgers is spooked! Here's who we have so far: Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak Packers: Elwell, Christopherson, Mroz As you can see, Bears fans tended to sit in the back of the classroom with the Zimmermans, Zupkes, and Underhills. Not sure why, but may explaina few things=E2=A6 Take Care, > From: Geno Wagner >To: OBC Ramblings >Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:45 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Packers tally >Fellas -- >The early numbers are in, and it looks like the Bears are favored by OBC: >Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacek >Packers: Elwell >Still lots of time to join! Every loser pays every winner, but remember it's for fun. No pressure to find anything crazy on a tough list.The idea is just to get some cards moving across the landscape. >Take Care, ================= To: Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 18:18:24 +0000 From: Subject: End of year sets iced Hello all Happen to find myself knocking off the following sets in the last two months: 1966 fb with the funny ring (today) 1951 bowman with the mantle 1959 fleer Ted Williams with the signing 1969 second set 1956 green back Crockett 1974 evel kneviel 1976 Star Trek 1964 Adams family 2014 comes the following goal to ice 1935 goudey with Greenberg and Ruth 1950 bowman with three stars left 1953 bowman with three stars left 1953 black and white now that I have the Stengel 1961 topps to complete the decade 1971 topps magic sticker with 7 left 1965 opc set with six left 1973 Johnny pro with Palmer left 1974 opc team cards with two left 1951 topps magic fb with one left 1955 all American with Thorpe and one sp( just realized I have two Granger's and missing Thorpe ) 1966 philly fb with Butkus 1971 trio hoops with one logo left 1972 globetrotter get back with one left 1952 bowman presidents with one left 1966 get smart 1965 King Kong 1965 war bulletin 1965 James Bond Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Thu, 26 Dec 2013 17:29:17 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: After Christmas cut and trim sale! Unbeatable prices! Cleaning up a little and found the following TRIMMED cards. Speak up and they are yours--have to beat the postal increase! 52 Topps 89, 182, 217, 222 55 Topps 83 56 Topps 38, 40 (both gray backs, in case you are making a master trimmed set) 64 Topps Stand-ups, that have been punched out Ray Culp, Bob Friend and Lee Thomas And, as a special bonus, there is a well trimmed 79 Hostess George Brett! All available to a a loving home or homes ================= Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:58:05 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Gary Beard Subject: OBC web site suggestion (Who Collects What? links) It may not be feasible to incorporate a function to look up who all is in need of a particular card, but we could at least add direct links on the "who's collecting what" page to the location of each persons set we are searching for. As it's set up now, the link takes us to each persons main page. If we want to have a function to make searching a list easier, we could edit our web pages a little to make searching easier for everyone else. By adding a simple anchor tag ( ) to the beginning each of our sets, these links on the Who's Collecting What page could take us DIRECTLY to the sets we're looking for. Even simple web page editors usually make it easy to add anchor tags. Adding these tags is a whole lot easier than changing the way we list our wants in order to make a search function practical. Either way, for a search function to work we're going to have to change our web pages. The easiest way is to simply add anchor tags as opposed to changing our whole want lists. The downside is, the outcome won't be as specific as changing our entire web sites to accommodate a search function...but changing our entire web site to accommodate a search function is a whole lot more work thansimply adding a few anchor tags! By adding anchor tags, the webmaster would simply need to add #setname to the end of the links that are all ready provided. And if we use the same naming convention (i.e. two digit year + manufacture name) then the webmaster would simply copy and paste the additional information to each link in each section. That would take just about 30 seconds per section, which isa lot quicker/easier than adding a search function. As you can see, if we all add a few anchor tags to our lists, it's a lot easier for us as well as the webmaster, since he won't have to build a searchfunction and we won't have to change our entire web sites. Just my $.02, ymmv! Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= To: Gary Beard , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:08:21 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC web site suggestion (Who Collects What? Gary, All, You are on to a good idea there. I think simply adding a field where you can add the "direct" link FOR EACH SET (in the update profile and page where you can update what you collect) would help. Each persons would default to their main page but each person could personalize the link (if they wanted). For example, if I checked 1953 Topps, I could then paste in my http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html#T1953 which takes you right to my 1953 Topps want list. (I think mine "main" link is easy enough since ALL my specific set links are right at the top anyway, so it wouldn't be a big impact on me, but...). Those that want to use this can, and those that don't want to don't have to, since the "default" could be auto-filled as their main page. (not sure how much back-end work this would be). I worry about "auto-extending" the anchor tag off of the main page as this would impact those with multiple pagesoff of their "main" page. Again, not a big impact on me but I like some ofthe multi-page web site want lists I've seen and wouldn't want to force them to compromise. Unless OBC wants to use a web crawler, I think any attempts to maintain a common format or integrate a search ability that "requires" members to follow a similar format will not work much better than it does today because: A ) Some people have want lists that are jumbled and incomprehensible now (to me) so I don't even bother. To be fair, this might not be OBC member pages, but I know there are some out there that I have traded with that are hard to even read/understand that I don't even bother trying anymore. Abbrvs r ok 4 txtn bt nt gd 4 a rdable wnt lst. B ) Similarly with condition. I know this is OBC, and some (including myself) have condition preferences on some sets. But if you don't care, at leastSAY you don't care SOMEWHERE on your page. (more of a pet peeve) C ) Not sure how many times I've used the "who collects what" to search specific sets to see who I could hit and found a good number of them out of date. If people aren't going to keep their "what I collect" lists (reasonably) up to date, I'm not sure how much effort they'll put into making "searching" D ) I would offer that the biggest improvement each of us could do is review our own web sites with the following in mind: "I know I can read and understand my want list, but can someone else?". This alone would go a long way to make things easier to "find". If YOU don't care enough to maintain an understandable want list, why should you expect OTHERS to invest their time in trying to help you out? My 2 pence as well... To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: garybeardbbcards@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 09:58:05 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC web site suggestion (Who Collects What? links) It may not be feasible to incorporate a function to look up who all is in need of a particular card, but we could at least add direct links on the "who's collecting what" page to the location of each persons set we are searching for. As it's set up now, the link takes us to each persons main page. If we want to have a function to make searching a list easier, we could edit our web pages a little to make searching easier for everyone else. By adding a simple anchor tag ( ) to the beginning each of our sets, these links on the Who's Collecting What page could take usDIRECTLY to the sets we're looking for. Even simple web page editors usually make it easy to add anchor tags.Adding these tags is a whole lot easierthan changing the way we list our wants in order to make a search functionpractical. Either way, for a search function to work we're going to have to change our web pages. The easiest way is to simply add anchor tags as opposed to changing our whole want lists. The downside is, the outcome won't be as specific as changing our entire web sites to accommodate a search function...but changing our entire web site to accommodate a search functionis a whole lot more work than simply adding a few anchor tags!By adding anchor tags, the webmaster would simply need to add #setname to the end of the links that are all ready provided. And if we use the same naming convention (i.e. two digit year + manufacture name) then the webmaster would simply copy and paste the additional information to each link in each section. Thatwould take just about 30 seconds per section, which is a lot quicker/easier than adding a search function.As you can see, if we all add a few anchor tags to our lists, it's a lot easier for us as well as the webmaster, sincehe won't have to build a search function and we won't have to change our entire web sites. Just my $.02, ymmv! Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= To: "=?utf-8?B?VGF5bG9yIFNjaG9jaw==?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?T0JDLVJhbWJsaW5nc0B5YWhvb2dyb3Vwcy5jb20=?=" Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 11:35:28 -0800 From: "=?utf-8?B?Z2FyeWJlYXJkYmJjYXJkc0B5YWhvby5jb20=?=" Content-Disposition: inline ================= To: Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 17:51:48 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: 1962 Topps wantlist help I am going to get an early start on our New Years Collecting goals. With the help of a Christmas present from my son, I am down to needing 8 cards on the '62 Topps list. My son gave me the Mantle from this set in really nice condition along with several other SP high numbers. The only 2 single player cards that I need are the Gibson and McCovey. The rest are the RC parade from the 590s. My main source for finding these has been eBay along with a few at shows. Taylor and I scour through uncle Dicks $2 box but you won't find these in the those boxes. I have a "saved eBay search" to let me know when one of these is newly listed on that site. Thanks to OBC for making me aware that such a search tool existed on eBay. I bought a card this morning from one of my saved searches when I ran across a 67 Dick Egan hi # for $2 and 50 cents shipping on buy it now. Here is what I need. Looking for other avenues to pick them up at reasonable prices. 1962 Topps - 530 Bob Gibson (SP) 544 Willie McCovey (SP) 591 Sam McDowell 592 Jim Bouton 594 Bob Uecker 596 Joe Pepitone 597 Denis Menke(SP) 598 Jim Have a good weekend. Mark Holland http://vintagebaseballcardwantlist.weebly.com/ This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus protection is active. http://www.avast.com ================= To: "DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:51:39 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: It pays to discover? A few months ago I won a few (and lost a few) auctions at a local auction house. In the boxes were all kinds of stuff (cards mostly, books, posters, mini-helmuts, autographs, junk, etc), some of it piled up on my desk, which I am now cleaning off. In the "stack" of skeds that included a '64 Eagles Tastykake card and a '57 Dodgers-Yankees-Giants schedule was a pair of ticket stubs from the same game. I finally got around to looking up the June 21, 1964 stub from the Phillies/Mets game to see if anything special happened (which just happened to be on Father's Day). As some of you may already know, but I didn't realize until I searched, it was a very special day indeed. They are from Jim Bunning'sPerfect Talk about more than a pleasant surprise! I guess it really pays to go through EVERY item in the box. ================= Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 23:06:30 -0500 From: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It pays to discover? ================= To: "DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 23:11:33 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: All kinds of want lists added I finally am (sort of) getting it together with a bunch of stuff I picked up and some nice starters people have sent me over the past couple of months(along with starting to work on payback for people I owe). Some vintage, most modern though. At least hopefully I'm adding some that are easier to hit. I have added the following: 1981 Topps (2nd and 3rd sets) - http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html#T1981 "Taylor" Cards - Basically any baseball card from players who played prior to 1980 with Taylor as their first name. A short, but I'm sure what will not be a quick, list. - details at http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/taylor-cards.html Topps - 1982, 1993-1998, 2000-2002, 2004-2005 - I finally went through whatI actually have and I need quite a few cards here. Starter or complete sets will be most welcome. - http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/football.html#FT1982 1969/70 Topps and 1988/89 Fleer - http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/basketball.html If you can help or want to work out a deal, please let me know. ================= Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 23:39:50 -0500 (EST) To: cardclctor@aol.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It pays to discover? Content-Language: en ...And sending me an email to remind me of that day! In a message dated 12/27/2013 11:06:31 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, cardclctor@aol.com writes: ...and somewhere Dr. John Ball is smiling. Ken M Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Taylor Schock wrote: A few months ago I won a few (and lost a few) auctions at a local auction house. In the boxes were all kinds of stuff (cards mostly, books, posters, mini-helmuts, autographs, junk, etc), some of it piled up on my desk, which I am now cleaning off. In the "stack" of skeds that included a '64 Eagles Tastykake card and a '57 Dodgers-Yankees-Giants schedule was a pair of ticket stubs from the same game. I finally got around to looking up the June 21, 1964 stub from the Phillies/Mets game to see if anything special happened (which just happened to be on Father's Day). As some of you may already know, but I didn't realize until I searched, it was a very special day indeed. They are from Jim Bunning's Perfect Game! Talk about more than a pleasant surprise! I guess it really pays to go through EVERY item in the box. ================= Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 22:21:26 -0800 (PST) To: Ken M From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It pays to discover? I'll always treasure the only day I ever spent in that awful ballpark..the Vet in Philly. We started the day at Howard Morgan's house, which in itself would have been worth the trip. Then we went to the game, withJohn as my navigator. I sat next to him and Kevin Lohse. I don't remember much about the actual game, but it was a great gathering of east coast OBCers back in the day when Ft Washington was the place to be. Good night, Gus Triandos=E2=A6wherever you are. Take Care, > From: Ken M >Cc: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" >Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 9:06 PM >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It pays to discover? >...and somewhere Dr. John Ball is smiling. >Ken M >Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID >Taylor Schock wrote: >A few months ago I won a few (and lost a few) auctions at a local auction house. In the boxes were all kinds of stuff (cards mostly, books, posters, mini-helmuts, autographs, junk, etc), some of it piled up on my desk, whichI am now cleaning off. In the "stack" of skeds that included a '64 Eagles Tastykake card and a '57 Dodgers-Yankees-Giants schedule was a pair of ticket stubs from the same game. >I finally got around to looking up the June 21, 1964 stub from the Phillies/Mets game to see if anything special happened (which just happened to be on Father's Day). As some of you may already know, but I didn't realize until I searched, it was a very special day indeed. They are from Jim Bunning's Perfect Game! >Talk about more than a pleasant surprise! I guess it really pays to go through EVERY item in the box. ================= Date: 28 Dec 2013 07:21:30 -0800 To: From: Subject: 1980 Topps Football ================= Date: 28 Dec 2013 08:21:40 -0800 To: From: Subject: Two sets killed - by my wife! ================= Date: 28 Dec 2013 16:48:35 -0800 To: From: Subject: Waiver Wire 72 and 73 baseball ================= To: Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 14:30:14 +0000 From: Subject: 1961 push ================= Date: 29 Dec 2013 10:54:53 -0800 To: From: Subject: My top 10 baseball book choices from 2013 ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 15:14:39 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: The year in collecting and goals for 2014 Well, a rainy day in PA and the clock is moving ever so slowly for the start of that Eagles game tonight, so I thought I'd check out how I did against my collecting goals this year, think up some for 2014, and see where OBC has taken me in almost 3 years: 2013 collecting goals: 1. complete 70 Topps. Needed 16. Down to 1 (Ryan). Could've overpaid and completed this set, but I know I will get one for $30 or less with patience. Also completed 68 set instead, so I'm ok with this goal. 2. Get 69 Topps to 10 or less. Needed 35 - now need 6. Achieved. 3. Get 68 Topps to 5 or less. Needed 14 - Completed. Exceeded goal. 4. Get 67 Topps to 25 or less. Haha! Needed 80, had no idea just how hard the hi#'s were. Still need 49, so I got to under 50. Not bad. 5. Get 66 Topps to 30 or less. Needed 47, but only got 16 hits this year - missed by 1 card. Eh. 6. Turn 62, 63, 64, and 65 into want lists and get to over 50% complete for each. This was over a 1000 cards. Current completion% is 63%, 50%, 61%, and 77%. Exceeded goal! 7. Get 61 topps to 100 or less. I needed 267. Today I need 112. That's 155 hits. Not bad. Again, reality of those hi#'s was not apparent a year ago. Pretty close though. 8. Get 60 Topps to 20 or less. Needed 31. Now need 18. Achieved in Other 2013 collecting milestones: Got 57 topps to 91% complete. Turned 59 into a want-list and already 47% complete. Added several non-Topps-base-sets to lists and having much fun with those (post/jello, Kellogs, checklists, embossed, etc.). Got a few more pre-war Phillies cards and other non-Topps vintage Phillies. Also decided to try and get all UV Phillies cards and made lists (currently up to 1994). It's fun to get a nice brick of cards needed and only spend $7! Goals for 2014. I want to keep track of spending this year. Purposely avoided that since I started collecting again 7 years ago, but really afraid to know what I spent the past 2 years, and would like to keep on a budget this year. So goals will be modest, sort of. 1. Get the 70 Ryan to complete the decade. For less than $30. 2. Get 3 hits to 69 Topps (half needed). 3. Get 10 hits to 67 Topps. 4. Get 5 hits to 66 Topps. (Willie Mays and all hi#'s remain.) 5. 5 goals in one - get each set from 61 thru 65 to 100 or less needed. That's over 500 cards. 6. Turn all the 50's topps sets into want-lists and get to under 50% for 59&58 at least. 7. Go to the National and meet more OBCers! Finally - a little stats: I am 82% complete with the Topps run from 52-80. When I started OBC in Feb 2011, I was at 52%. The increase is 4284 cards! (about 4 cards per day!!) I only need 3012 more, so another 2.5 years in OBC should do it!! Lol. But what a great group. Thank you to all who contributed and share this great Thanks for reading and I'm looking forward to reading others. OBC forever, Matt Yudt ================= Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 18:02:51 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Packers tally, Pt 2 Ugghhh=E2=A6at least I'm out of my misery for this season! Time toget some packages out. The next bets will be Blackhawks playoff bets! Take Care, > From: Geno Wagner >To: OBC Ramblings >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2013 6:59 AM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Packers tally, Pt 2 >Fellas -- >It appears Clay Mathews is too frightened to play the Monsters of the Midway, now we wait to see if Rodgers is spooked! Here's who we have so far: >Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacak >Packers: Elwell, Christopherson, Mroz >As you can see, Bears fans tended to sit in the back of the classroom withthe Zimmermans, Zupkes, and Underhills. Not sure why, but may explain a few things=E2=A6 >Take Care, >> From: Geno Wagner >>To: OBC Ramblings >>Sent: Monday, December 23, 2013 12:45 PM >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bears/Packers tally >>Fellas -- >>The early numbers are in, and it looks like the Bears are favored by OBC: >>Bears: Wagner, Vrechek, Valacek >>Packers: Elwell >>Still lots of time to join! Every loser pays every winner, but remember it's for fun. No pressure to find anything crazy on a tough list. The idea is just to get some cards moving across the landscape. >>Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:26:36 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2013-14 NFL Playoff Pool - 2nd request Content-Language: en Happy Holidays to you all! Once again, I am going to be running a playoff pool for all those interested. We had over a dozen participants last year, a half dozen committed to this year already, and it was a lot of fun, even if the team you root for is done for the year. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active on each team in each game. The entry fee is a baseball card, preferably pre-1980, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please wait send your card to me until I know we have enough entries to proceed. If we do, then send the card at your earliest convenience to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. The playoff schedule and game times won't be finalized until early Monday, but as of now, the only question of teams is the winner of the Dallas/Philadelphia game is in, and the loser goes home. Here is the schedule: AFC Week 1: 6 Chargers at 3 Bengals, 5 Chiefs at 4 Colts, 1 Broncos and 2 Patriots BYE AFC Week 2: 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Saints at 3 Cowboys/Eagles winner, 5 49ers at 4 Packers, 1 Seattle and 2 Panthers BYE NFC Week 2: 1 Seahawks at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Panthers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 4-5 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and must have exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are nodefenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 12 Noon Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PATs 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions or kick returns for Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four games). Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before noon. Please let me k if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Rememb picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 12 Noon Central Time. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 02:39:31 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2013-14 NFL Playoff Pool - 2nd request Hi Gary, my son John and I would each like an entry...we got unceremoniously pounded last year, hoping for a better season this year!
His email is johnlindholme@gmail.com, same as last year, that way you can include him directly in your updates.

We will have our teams submitted in a couple days!
Thanks for the great opportunity!
OBC Forever,
Brian

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================= Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 00:21:35 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2013-14 NFL Playoff schedule Great response thus far to our playoff contest Here is the schedule for the first two weekends (all times Eastern) Saturday, January 4: Chiefs (5 AFC seed) @ Colts (4 AFC seed) 435 PM, Saints (6 NFC seed) @ Eagles (3 NFC seed) 810 PM Sunday, January 5: Chargers (6 AFC seed) @ Bengals (3 AFC seed) 105 PM, 49ers (5 NFC seed) @ Packers (3 NFC seed) 440 PM Saturday, January 11: lowest winning NFC seed week 1 @ Seattle (1 NFC seed) 435 PM, highest winning AFC seed week 1 @ NE (2 AFC seed) 815 PM Sunday, January 12: highest winning NFC seed week 1 @ Carolina (2 NFC seed) 105 PM, lowest winning AFC seed week 1 @ Denver (1 AFC seed) 440 PM Will send out another couple of invites this coming week, but feel free to let me know you are interested, and send in your rosters/rankings when you get a chance Expecting frigid temps and heavy snow in Chicago by New Years, so a safe and healthy holiday to all! Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2013 16:38:57 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2013-14 NFL Playoff Pool - 2nd request I'll be doing the same contest with friends and work associates so if anybody else wants in mine as well then send an email directly to me and let me know. Instead of cards the entry fee is $10 per submission and the payout is 1st place 60%, 2nd place 30%, and 3rd place 10%. Gary, I'll send you an entry form for your pool soon. To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; CC: smartalecx@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 21:26:36 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2013-14 NFL Playoff Pool - 2nd request Happy Holidays to you all! Once again, I am going to be running a playoff pool for all those interested. We had over a dozen participants last year, a half dozen committed to this year already, and it was a lot offun, even if the team you root for is done for the year. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active on each team in each game. The entry fee is a baseball card, preferably pre-1980, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please wait to send your card to me until I know we have enough entries to proceed. If we do, then send the card at your earliest convenience to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. The playoff schedule and game times won't be finalized until early Monday, but as of now, the only question of teams is the winner of the Dallas/Philadelphia game is in, and the loser goes home. Here is the AFC Week 1: 6 Chargers at 3 Bengals, 5 Chiefs at 4 Colts, 1 Broncos and 2 Patriots BYE AFC Week 2: 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Saints at 3 Cowboys/Eagles winner, 5 49ers at 4 Packers, 1 Seattle and 2 Panthers BYE NFC Week 2: 1 Seahawks at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Panthers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl The weekend of January 4-5 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and must have exactly 2 QB=92s, 4 RB=92s, 4 WR=92s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 12 Noon Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PATs 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions or kick returns for touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, picks must be submitted to me via email (smartalecx@aol.com) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 12 Noon Central Time. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: 30 Dec 2013 17:29:26 -0800 To: From: Subject: My list of 10 sports books for 2013 ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:52:48 -0500 (EST) From: FIREMAN Subject: how do i get off the obc emails? hey everyone with all the stuff going on in my life i havent gone on my email in a while...how to i take myself off of the emails i opened my email today and had 3000 emails and most were from obc id like to keep the email traffic to a minimum and am i inactive? ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:26:02 -0800 (PST) To: FIREMAN , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] how do i get off the obc emails? Rob -- You are inactive. I think you need to unsubscribe through Yahoo, but I'm not positive on that. Anybody else know? Take Care, > From: FIREMAN >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:52 AM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] how do i get off the obc emails? >hey everyone with all the stuff going on in my life i havent gone on my email in a while...how to i take myself off of the emails i opened my email today and had 3000 emails and most were from obc id like to keep the email traffic to a minimum >and am i inactive? ================= To: "'Geno Wagner'" , Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 08:35:59 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] how do i get off the obc emails? Log in to Yahoo Groups using your Yahoo ID..........you can change your mail preference there to individual, Daily Digest, or no email........ From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Geno Wagner Sent: December-31-13 8:26 AM To: FIREMAN; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] how do i get off the obc emails? Rob -- You are inactive. I think you need to unsubscribe through Yahoo, but I'm not positive on that. Anybody else know? Take Care, From: FIREMAN To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] how do i get off the obc emails? hey everyone with all the stuff going on in my life i havent gone on my email in a while...how to i take myself off of the emails i opened my email today and had 3000 emails and most were from obc id like to keep the email traffic to a minimum and am i inactive? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4259 / Virus Database: 3658/6962 - Release Date: 12/30/13 ================= Date: 31 Dec 2013 08:40:44 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: how do i get off the obc emails? ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 10:16:44 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: 2013 Year in Review As 2013 is wrapping up, I thought I would put my own summation of the collecting year. My biggest damage to sets this year was T-206 (44 hits) and Diamond Stars (25 hits). I had a 128 total hits which was much bigger than my 45 hits in 2012. It terms of highlights, my top ten 2013 hits were: 1. T200 BOS - A - Thanks Mac 2. T200 PIT - N - Thanks Mac 3. T206 Christy Mathewson portrait - Thanks Mac 4. PX7 Sweet Caporal Domino Disc Cy Young 5. 1910 WUNC Colorized Portraits Oscar Stanage 6. V100 Willard's Chocolates Harry Hooper 7. 1922 Zeenut Oscar Stanage 8. Diamond Star Travis Jackson - Thanks Andy 9. Got a second N172 Bill Greenwood 10. Knocking out a HOF UV projects with McGraw as the last hit My 2014 goals are more modest: - Knock out the last eight contemporaneous HOF'ers I need - (Chesbro, Coveleski, Dean, Heilmann, T. Jackson, Jennings, G. Kelly and Sisler) - Add four hits to my miscut / blank back / wrong back collection - Get about ten hits to my player collections - those 90's UV parallels can be tough for common players - Knock out my T113 set - Inflict more damage on T206, Diamond Stars and Goudey Four-in-One sets - Inflict more damage on my remaining non-sport sets - Get a type card or two along the way Erik Greenwood ================= To: "DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 13:56:11 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: Who wants a 1983 Topps FB starter set? Anyone interested in a 1983 Topps FB starter set? I probably have enough for well over half the set but no major stars. The cards are mostly in pack-fresh If anyone is interested, just let me know. ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 11:38:00 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: 2013 goals review and 2014 goals The last day of 2013 is upon us. whew, the year has just flown by. AsI was working on my new webpage I kept thinking to myself how far my personal collection has grown in the past couple of years. I have even hadsome of the traders on this site tell me that it is tough to hit (never thought I would get that). I could never have gotten near this pointif it weren't for OBC, not only in the generosity of the traders with their envelopes full of cards (which never ceases to amaze me) but with the knowledge and friendship that comes with them. I thank you all so much. 2013 goals 1. finish off the 68 topps set. just gotta get off my wallet on this one.completed found a nice one at a good price on ebay 2. finish my 69 and 70 topps football sets. completed. sportslots, mark Z for the final card 3. knock 33% from my 66 and 67 topps sets, for the 67 set I need 61 cards so i am guessing that would be 21 cards. for my 66 topps set I need 80 cards so 27 cards would be it. acheived down to about 20 cards from both setsamazing! 4. finish off my 65 embossed and 68 topps game sets. failed down to 4 cards for the embossed set and the final 2 cards for the game set. 5. continue to work obtaining hi number cards for my 60's sets and work hard on my 50's sets as well. acheived. 6. work hard to recipricate when cards are sent to me as best as I can, anddo a better job at sending out ROAK (random act of kindness) envelopes whenever I can. acheived 7. attend at least 3 FOOT functioned card shows this year, (toronto, strongsberg(ville), and the national)) although I did do the strongville show, and attend the spring sun times show. I wasn't able to do toronto or the national in 2013 8. attend a couple of tigers games with my grandson and any FOOT members who wish to join us. attended no tiger games but did make a minor league game (lugnuts) with 2 of my grandsons. 9. start no new sets!!!!!! failed miserably on this one.....lol as a lot of you emailed me when I put this on that I couldn't resist. started a 53topps set and a couple of 2nd sets for the 70's sets and the 64 topps coins. and added a vintage bowman page...sheesh what a failure this goal was.as with every year I will strive to send thanks out and my wantpage updated in a timely manner. whewwwww. a lot of things to do next year and quite bit accopmilished this past year. enjoyed some very nice times with the foot contingency and met a couple of my fellow traders I had been trading with for a while, evenmet a few of the OBC freindly dealers at the sun times show. 2014 goals 1a. finish my 59 topps set (down to 3 cards) 1b. get my 67 topps baseball set down to final card (Seaver) with possiblility of finishing if find a good deal. 2. get my 66 topps baseball set down to 5 cards. (need 12 at this time) 3. make my 75 topps mini set a high priority set and finish it (need 33 cards, all stars) 4. continue chipping away at my early 60's hi numbers and 50's sets and finish my 65 embossed and 68 game sets. 5. start a few hostess and kelloggs sets. 6. attend the spring sun times show and the national in august. 7. work hard to recipricate when cards are sent to me as best as I can, and do a better job at sending out ROAK (random act of kindness) envelopes whenever I can. (same as last year) as with every year I will strive to send thanks out and my wantpage updatedin a timely manner. thanks to you all John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:12:23 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Fitts Subject: 1967 Seaver RC wanted I'm hoping to pick up a VG Seaver RC with my Xmass money as it will complete my Topps sets back to 1963. The latest SMR lists a PSA5 as worth $225. Anybody have one to sell for about that? ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 15:15:00 -0700 To: Rob Fitts , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: illini_grad_90 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1967 Seaver RC wanted ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:31:09 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2013-14 NFL Playoff Pool -- the hottest game in town! Content-Language: en Happy New Year to you all! Once again, I am going to be running a playoff pool for all those interested. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active on each team in each game. We had over a dozen participants last year, a have that many saying they are playing this year already. It was a lot of fun, even if the team you root for is done for the The entry fee is a baseball card, preferably pre-1980, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please wait to send your card to me until I know we have enough entries to proceed. If we do, then send the card at your earliest convenience to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. Here is the schedule: AFC Week 1 (Jan 4-5): 6 Chargers at 3 Bengals, 5 Chiefs at 4 Colts, 1 Broncos and 2 Patriots BYE AFC Week 2 (Jan 11-12): 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3 (Jan 19): Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Saints at 3 Eagles, 5 Forty-Niners at 4 Packers, 1 Seattle and 2 Panthers BYE NFC Week 2: 1 Seahawks at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner, 2 Panthers at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4 (Feb 2): Super Bowl The weekend of January 4-5 marks the start of our playoff pool. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and must have exactly 2 QB=E2=99s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are nodefenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have one player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 4 at 12 Noon Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Rushing and Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (including bad snap) or Blocked FG 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. PATs 1 point, missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions or kick returns for Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four games). Tie Breaker: Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of the player with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than # 2 will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. The more entries we get, the more rosters will win a prize. I hope to have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before noon. Please let me k if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Rememb picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than this Saturday, January 4 at 12 Noon Central Time. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 17:31:13 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: 80/81 topps I think I asked this question before, but I lost the answer if I did, I have a decent size lot of these and thought I might list them. butlooking at the backs and numbers I am totally confused. all but 6 of the ones I have are full card panels of three. what is the best way to do these? and how the heck do you list them? thanks again for any and all help John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:34:35 -0800 To: John Dahms From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2013 goals review and 2014 goals Hey Everyone, I love this discussion. It is so much fun to see how much progress everyone has made this year. Goals for 2013: Meet more OBCers (if anyone is ever in SD give me a shout)--I got to meet acouple of new people Send more ROAKs--I sort of got lazy on this and sent out more by waiver wires--I want to do more of this the old fashioned way in 2014 Finish 1972T, 1969 T, and 1968T--Done, Done, and Done! (Also finished 1967) Get started on either 1962 or 1963T--No progress there Settle on a prewar set to go after (either Diamond Stars, 1933 Goudey, or 1941 Play Ball)--Still thinking about that For 2014 my goals are a little more modest: Complete 1966 T (8 more to go) Cut 1965 T list in half (it is now at 120) Meet some more OBCers Get a regular waiver wire going to help move cards around to those who needthem Happy New Year Everyone! Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 31, 2013, at 11:38 AM, John Dahms wrote: > The last day of 2013 is upon us. whew, the year has just flown by. As Iwas working on my new webpage I kept thinking to myself how far my personal collection has grown in the past couple of years. I have even had some of the traders on this site tell me that it is tough to hit (never thought I would get that). I could never have gotten near this point if it weren't for OBC, not only in the generosity of the traders with their envelopesfull of cards (which never ceases to amaze me) but with the knowledge andfriendship that comes with them. I thank you all so much. > 2013 goals > 1. finish off the 68 topps set. just gotta get off my wallet on this one.completed found a nice one at a good price on ebay > 2. finish my 69 and 70 topps football sets. completed. sportslots, mark Zfor the final card > 3. knock 33% from my 66 and 67 topps sets, for the 67 set I need 61 cardsso i am guessing that would be 21 cards. for my 66 topps set I need 80 cards so 27 cards would be it. acheived down to about 20 cards from both sets amazing! > 4. finish off my 65 embossed and 68 topps game sets. failed down to 4 cards for the embossed set and the final 2 cards for the game set. > 5. continue to work obtaining hi number cards for my 60's sets and work hard on my 50's sets as well. acheived. > 6. work hard to recipricate when cards are sent to me as best as I can, and do a better job at sending out ROAK (random act of kindness) envelopes whenever I can. acheived > 7. attend at least 3 FOOT functioned card shows this year, (toronto, strongsberg(ville), and the national)) although I did do the strongville show, and attend the spring sun times show. I wasn't able to do toronto or the national in 2013 > 8. attend a couple of tigers games with my grandson and any FOOT members who wish to join us. attended no tiger games but did make a minor league game (lugnuts) with 2 of my grandsons. > 9. start no new sets!!!!!! failed miserably on this one.....lol as a lot of you emailed me when I put this on that I couldn't resist. started a 53 topps set and a couple of 2nd sets for the 70's sets and the 64 topps coins.and added a vintage bowman page...sheesh what a failure this goal was. > as with every year I will strive to send thanks out and my wantpage updated in a timely manner. > whewwwww. a lot of things to do next year and quite bit accopmilished this past year. enjoyed some very nice times with the foot contingency and meta couple of my fellow traders I had been trading with for a while, even met a few of the OBC freindly dealers at the sun times show. > 2014 goals > 1a. finish my 59 topps set (down to 3 cards) > 1b. get my 67 topps baseball set down to final card (Seaver) with possiblility of finishing if find a good deal. > 2. get my 66 topps baseball set down to 5 cards. (need 12 at this time) > 3. make my 75 topps mini set a high priority set and finish it (need 33 cards, all stars) > 4. continue chipping away at my early 60's hi numbers and 50's sets and finish my 65 embossed and 68 game sets. > 5. start a few hostess and kelloggs sets. > 6. attend the spring sun times show and the national in august. > 7. work hard to recipricate when cards are sent to me as best as I can, and do a better job at sending out ROAK (random act of kindness) envelopes whenever I can. (same as last year) > as with every year I will strive to send thanks out and my wantpage updated in a timely manner. > thanks to you all > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jdsvintagesportscards.weebly.com/