================= Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 16:44:21 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jake Elwell Subject: Waiver Wire -- Red Sox books To celebrate the Red Sox World Championship I am putting five books on the waiver wire for some good hot stove reading. In the event of multiple requests I will try to hit as many different OBCers as I can. Books are in very good condition - all hardcovers have dust jackets. Don't forget to include your mailing address, please. I'll ship early next week... TED WILLIAMS by Leigh Montville hardcover WHAT DO YOU THINK OF TED WILLIAMS NOW? by Richard Ben Cramer - hardcover; short posthumous tribute THE TEAMMATES by David Halberstam (Doerr, Williams, D. DiMaggio, Pesky) hardcover THE TED WILLIAMS READER ed by Lawrence Baldassaro - trade paperback - collection of writings about The Kid by various writers RED SOX ESSENTIAL: Everything you Need to Know to be a Real Fan by Jim Prime - hardcover; published in 2006 Come and get em! Jake Elwell ================= Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2013 16:47:38 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Fitts Subject: finishing 1964 topps Big day today as the final two cards for my 1964 set - Clemente and AL Bombers arrive. That pushes my Topps run from 1994 to 1963 (except for the Seaver Rookie). Now on to 1962 and '61 - just 35 cards missing then I'll have completed 1960 - 94. I don't expect to finish by the New Year but hopefully by the start of the next baseball season! ================= Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 14:08:06 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Anybody want 'em? Fellas -- This is a fine line, since we are only supposed to post pre-1981 stuff (as I'm sure you are all aware, and need no reminding). But some newer stuff featuring older players is pretty cool. Of course, the best new cards are the ones out of Helmar=E2=A6simply stunning! Anyway, I have a bunch of mid-90's (1994, I think) Upper Deck cards of vintage players that I usually just throw in envelopes when I send them out. However,with all the HOMers and player/team collectors out there, I figured I'd see if anybody wants any of the following guys. If you do, I'll take a look at your list and maybe pad the envelope the other way around! They would actually be cool for autographs. Here's the players I have: Tommy John Walter Johnson Harvey Haddix Al Oliver Johnny Logan Dave Dravecky Tony Oliva Mickey Mantle (checklist) Luis Tiant Sal Bando I think I have more, so I'll dig them out if this turns out to be somethingpeople like. Upper Deck also put out a set in 1993 that look like T202s, that I really liked. I bought a few boxes of them back then, andwill open them up someday when I'm bored. Take Care, ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Fri, 1 Nov 2013 23:01:33 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Made it to the Shriner's show today in Wilmington MA. Seniors get in for free! How sweet it is to just march in the door, no ticket booth for me, thank you very much! Spent a good bit of the day at Triple Play Vintage, going through their 90%off vintage boxes, off which there were a half dozen or more. They tend to have a fair number of stars and I picked up a couple more. Given the "quantity" discount at the end, they charge about 8%. A great table, they plan to be at Philly in Dec and again in White Plains in Jan. Visited Randy Kniffen (am I spelling that right?) for a bit and bought a few there also, including the Stargell rookie which iced my 1963 set. Randy said the show has been good and he has bought a bunch of cards already. Around the floor in various spots picked up a high number World of Wheels for 1$, a 1951 Bowman high # and a couple 1951 Topps blue backs for 2$@, a 1950 Bowman Feller in decent shape (ie G or better) for 10%, and a few variations including a 1968 McCormick white team for 10%. Ran into Bob Donaldson, who passed me a pair of decal miscuts, the first I have gotten. Spike was supposedly going to show but if he did I never saw him. The show had a high percentage of vintage - a pleasant and refreshing change from what seems to be the trend toward UV. Quite a few discount boxes toroot through. Bob found one with 1960s cards for 5 cents @. Met up with Mike McCann, who apologized for not bringing his discount boxes, but had no room for them. I passed on that TJ was laid up and he recalled him immediately. TJ - he volunteered to give me a 1952 Topps Kell to pass along to you, so I will get it in the mail soon. If anyone is going to the show on Sat or Sun, if you happen to stop in at Randy's table, he thought he might have a few G-men cards in his car he'd sell me for $1@, but we had no time to get them right then. If you can find them and buy them from him and pass them along to me, I'd appreciate it. And Bob Donaldson - he might also have a few Exhibits if you stop by again this Richard D ================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 05:30:16 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Peter" Subject: Started a blog... Hello all! I just wanted to pass along word, for those of you who haven't already heard, that I started up a blog about writing Diamond Stars. I am not certain about how to set it up - and wonder if it is not visible to enough of the general public - should go to another place that hosts blogs - that doesn't cater to users of google and google +? I am not sure... This is another new endeavor for me and any comments any of you would have would be most appreciated! Please check it out when you have a moment... Thanks! marcpeter/Peter ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 08:10:41 -0400 (EDT) From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: 1966 Topps Football Question Does anyone know where to get plastic binder sheets that can be used for 1966 Topps football cards? ================= To: jdelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 09:16:16 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Football Question The 1966s are standard card size, 9 pocket sheets. The 1965 Topps FB, are large size, the same as 1964-5 Topps Hockey, and 1969-70 & 197-71 Topps Basketball. They fit in 6 count sheets. They also fit T-201 & T-202, and the1951 Topps Connie Mack/Major League All Stars and Team cards. Any dealer or store selling plastic sheets should have some 6 count sheets. At this years National a few of us swapped sheets and I no longer have any extra 6 count Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: jdelott To: OBC-Ramblings ; vct Sent: Sat, Nov 2, 2013 8:10 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Football Question Does anyone know where to get plastic binder sheets that can be used for 1966 Topps football cards? ================= Date: Sat, 2 Nov 2013 19:50:42 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Bessette Subject: Shriners show I'm lucky enough to live right around the corner from this annual show and always make a point to attend. I went today with one mission - complete my 1966 Topps set. I failed miserably. I need about 10 more cards. All high numbers, with about half of them beingshort prints. There were several booths that had super high grade examplesand they were asking the moon. $30 for regular highs and $50+ for short prints. Saw an average Grant Jackson for $135. The prices were out of control. I asked nearly every stand and was kicking myself for not going Friday as one vendor had a binder listing the highs at $7.50/each. I eagerly scrolled to the back of the binder to find them all gone. Also found some low grade examples for under $10, but nothing I needed. So, instead, I spent a whopping $7. Bought the last 2 1977 cards I needed to complete my set, 2 1975s (Munson, McCarver) so I only need Rose to wrap that set up. And 3 1956 commons that I needed for my set. All in all I had a great time. But finishing off the 66 set is proving to be incredibly challenging. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:46:39 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Can anyone identify Brian gave me a couple what I thought were 36 Goudey wide pens today but when I got home one was but this one is different. Thinner stock and 1/8 inchshorter. The only other Wally Moses said he is batting. Anyone know what set this is? ================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:55:18 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Need one to finish 51 topps blue backs I have these 6 to trade looking for # 47 wehmeier in any condition. # 4 & 16 paper loss on front, 18 & 22 have creases , # 31 & 35 are decent. Will trade in your favor. ================= To: , Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:25:08 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone identify [1 Attachment] I believe it's a National Chicle Fine Pen http://www.vintagecardprices.com/card-profile/51933/1936-National-Chicle-Fin From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:47 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone identify [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from rick.lyons22@yahoo.com included below] Brian gave me a couple what I thought were 36 Goudey wide pens today but when I got home one was but this one is different. Thinner stock and 1/8 inch shorter. The only other Wally Moses said he is batting. Anyone know what set this is? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3222/6803 - Release Date: 11/02/13 ================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:37:13 -0800 To: Bob Donaldson From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone identify Thank you Bob Sent from my iPad > On Nov 3, 2013, at 5:25 PM, "Bob Donaldson" wrote: > Rickj > I believe it=E2=99s a National Chicle Fine Pen > http://www.vintagecardprices.com/card-profile/51933/1936-National-Chicle-Fine-Pens-Moses-86-Baseball-Card-Value-Prices.htm > thanks > Bob > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rick.lyons22@yahoo.com > Sent: Sunday, November 03, 2013 6:47 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Can anyone identify [1 Attachment] > [Attachment(s) from rick.lyons22@yahoo.com included below] > Brian gave me a couple what I thought were 36 Goudey wide pens today but when I got home one was but this one is different. Thinner stock and 1/8 inch shorter. The only other Wally Moses said he is batting. Anyone know whatset this is? > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2013.0.3426 / Virus Database: 3222/6803 - Release Date: 11/02/13 ================= To: "rick.lyons22@yahoo.com" , Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:46:29 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: Rick Lyons - Need one to finish 51 topps blue backs [1 Attachment] I have one in around g+/vg- shape. If you still need it, lmk and send address. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:55:18 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need one to finish 51 topps blue backs [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from rick.lyons22@yahoo.com included below] I have these 6 to trade looking for # 47 wehmeier in any condition. #4 & 16 paper loss on front, 18 & 22 have creases , # 31 & 35 are decent. Will trade in your favor. Sent from my iPad=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 17:51:27 -0800 To: richard dingman From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rick Lyons - Need one to finish 51 topps blue backs Sean already stepped up thank you Richard and anyone else looking. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 3, 2013, at 5:46 PM, richard dingman wrote: > Rick, > I have one in around g+/vg- shape. > If you still need it, lmk and send address. > Richard D > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com > From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com > Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 15:55:18 -0800 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need one to finish 51 topps blue backs [1 Attachment] > [Attachment(s) from rick.lyons22@yahoo.com included below] I have these 6to trade looking for # 47 wehmeier in any condition. # 4 & 16 paper loss on front, 18 & 22 have creases , # 31 & 35 are decent. Will trade in your favor. > Sent from my iPad ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 23:25:39 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: The next Lincicolm? Hi all- Don't know whether photos come through the listserve. Had fun at the San Francisco science festival at AT&T park yesterday with my daughter Sarah. Also a nice opportunity to check out the dugout, visit home plate and the pitchers Missed the sharks and bats, will be back to see them next year! Ed Pike ================= Date: Sun, 3 Nov 2013 20:53:45 -0800 To: "" From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: 54 topps paper cards After looking on eBay I found that there was 27 cards each in the first twoissues. In the second issue they were all Yankees with some black and white photos of cards that weren't issued. So Dave gave me 7 of the first 27 and 12 of the 27 Yankees. So another topps issue gets listed. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 03 Nov 2013 21:56:04 -0800 To: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, From: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 54 topps paper cards These cards are actually listed in SCD's Standard Catalog of Baseball Cards. The first issue (Aug. 16, 1954) was reprinted in 2001 and according to the catalog they are unmarked as reprints. The second issue (Aug. 23, 1954) is scarcer and was also not reprinted. According to SCD "Singles of the paper cards are rarely encountered" Good luck in completing this set! Dave Fallen On 11/3/2013 8:53 PM, rick.lyons22@yahoo.com wrote: > After looking on eBay I found that there was 27 cards each in the > first two issues. In the second issue they were all Yankees with some > black and white photos of cards that weren't issued. So Dave gave me 7 > of the first 27 and 12 of the 27 Yankees. So another topps issue gets > listed. > Sent from my iPad ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 08:51:21 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: San Leandro Show Nov 23rd? Anyone planning on attending? I was thinking of going while in San George Vrechek Ryan O'Connell Hall 575 West Estudillo Ave San Leandro, California Mark Macrae Nov 23 2013 Sat 09AM-04PM ================= Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 06:54:11 -0800 To: "" From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: 56 topps team cards I was always under the impression that for the team cards with the variations that there was four different,centered,dated,far left and back stock color. But I found a fifth yesterday so am I to assume that there are six? Allthree variations with grey and white backs? Sent from my iPad ================= To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:47:54 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] San Leandro Show Nov 23rd? If you are in San Francisco, I highly recommend Mark's show. Not only will it be worth it for just his table of pre-war and PCL stuff, the other dealers there often are great. This is an old show that has been going on for many many years. If you go, tell Mark OBC says hi. -----Original Message----- From: George Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 4, 2013 6:51 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] San Leandro Show Nov 23rd? Anyone planning on attending? I was thinking of going while in San Francisco. George Vrechek Ryan O'Connell Hall 575 West Estudillo Ave San Leandro, California Mark Macrae Nov 23 2013 Sat 09AM-04PM ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 10:54:40 -0500 From: "Gord Ellis" Subject: Re: 56 topps team cards For '56T Team cards there are 6 variations for 11 cubs, 72 Phillies, 85 Indians, 90 Redles, 95 Braves & 100 Orioles. I still need Grey backs dated version for 11, 72, 85, 90 & 85 name at left. Anyone got any of these to trade? Also, does anyone know why 'Redlegs' became shotered to 'Reds' in '61? Gord ================= To: "'Gord Ellis'" , Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 07:59:29 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards From Wikipedia: Twice in the 1950s (the McCarthy era ), the Reds, fearing that their traditional club nickname would associate them with the threat of Communism , officially changed the name of the team to the "Cincinnati Redlegs".[1] From 1956 to 1960, the club's logo was altered to remove the term "REDS" from the inside of the "wishbone C" symbol. The "REDS" reappeared on the 1961 uniforms, but the point of the C was removed, leaving a smooth, non-wishbone curve. The traditional home-uniform logo was restored in 1967. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gord Ellis Sent: November-04-13 7:55 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards For '56T Team cards there are 6 variations for 11 cubs, 72 Phillies, 85 Indians, 90 Redles, 95 Braves & 100 Orioles. I still need Grey backs dated version for 11, 72, 85, 90 & 85 name at left. Anyone got any of these to trade? Also, does anyone know why 'Redlegs' became shotered to 'Reds' in '61? Gord No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6806 - Release Date: 11/03/13 ================= Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 15:53:12 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards ================= To: , Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:19:09 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards all my dated versions have grey backs. I have 5 of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken M To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards I was always under the impression that there were only five versions of each checklist, with the dated versions only coming with white backs. Can anyone verify the existence of dated grey backs? (Crossing fingers that nobody Ken M Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Gord Ellis wrote: For '56T Team cards there are 6 variations for 11 cubs, 72 Phillies, 85 Indians, 90 Redles, 95 Braves & 100 Orioles. I still need Grey backs dated version for 11, 72, 85, 90 & 85 name at left. Anyone got any of these to trade? Also, does anyone know why 'Redlegs' became shotered to 'Reds' in '61? ================= To: , Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 19:21:27 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards white! white! They are white not Grey!!! Sorry :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Supreme Commander To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Ken M Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards all my dated versions have grey backs. I have 5 of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken M To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards I was always under the impression that there were only five versions ofeach checklist, with the dated versions only coming with white backs. Can anyone verify the existence of dated grey backs? (Crossing fingers that nobody Ken M Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Gord Ellis wrote: For '56T Team cards there are 6 variations for 11 cubs, 72 Phillies, 85Indians, 90 Redles, 95 Braves & 100 Orioles. I still need Grey backs datedversion for 11, 72, 85, 90 & 85 name at left. Anyone got any of these to trade? Also, does anyone know why 'Redlegs' became shotered to 'Reds' in '61? ================= To: "'Supreme Commander'" , Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 16:26:42 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards I think Ken just had momentary heart palpitations there........you okay nowKen? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Supreme Commander Sent: November-04-13 4:21 PM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Ken M; Supreme Commander Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards white! white! They are white not Grey!!! Sorry :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Supreme Commander To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Ken M Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards all my dated versions have grey backs. I have 5 of them. ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken M To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards I was always under the impression that there were only five versions of each checklist, with the dated versions only coming with white backs. Can anyone verify the existence of dated grey backs? (Crossing fingers that nobody can) Ken M Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID Gord Ellis wrote: For '56T Team cards there are 6 variations for 11 cubs, 72 Phillies, 85 Indians, 90 Redles, 95 Braves & 100 Orioles. I still need Grey backs dated version for 11, 72, 85, 90 & 85 name at left. Anyone got any of these to trade? Also, does anyone know why 'Redlegs' became shotered to 'Reds' in '61? Gord No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6806 - Release Date: 11/03/13 ================= Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2013 20:27:32 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ken M Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards ================= Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2013 18:19:48 -0800 To: Grant Rainsley From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards All my dated are white backs also. So the verdict is five different? Sent from my iPad > On Nov 4, 2013, at 4:26 PM, "Grant Rainsley" wrote: > I think Ken just had momentary heart palpitations there........you okay now > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Supreme Commander > Sent: November-04-13 4:21 PM > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Ken M; Supreme Commander > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards > =EF=BB=BF > white! white! They are white not Grey!!! Sorry :) > Sean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Supreme Commander > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; Ken M > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 7:19 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards > =EF=BB=BF > all my dated versions have grey backs. > I have 5 of them. > Sean > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ken M > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, November 04, 2013 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 56 topps team cards > I was always under the impression that there were only five versions of each checklist, with the dated versions only coming with white backs. Can anyone verify the existence of dated grey backs? (Crossing fingers that nobody > Ken M > Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4G LTE DROID > Gord Ellis wrote: > For '56T Team cards there are 6 variations for 11 cubs, 72 Phillies, 85 Indians, 90 Redles, 95 Braves & 100 Orioles. I still need Grey backs dated version for 11, 72, 85, 90 & 85 name at left. Anyone got any of these to trade? Also, does anyone know why 'Redlegs' became shotered to 'Reds' in '61? > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3615/6806 - Release Date: 11/03/13 ================= Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 02:43:16 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1966 & 1967T Hi#s They're getting fewer and fewer, but there are bargains to be had out there! In my mail this morning was one of the last 4 1966T's that I needed to complete my set - #555 Ron Perranoski. I was alerted to this one via my ebay saved searches and did a bit of a double take when I saw it. PSA Ex-Mt 6.....Buy It Now at $14.99. I grabbed that sucker right away! That leaves the Twins Team, Klimchock, and Skowron to go!! I upgraded a few cards from my 1960s sets recently, so finally have one or two cards to send out. The dupes box is getting a bit thin these days. I really need another trip to The National to reload!! Glasgow, Scotland Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 08:13:03 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: 56 topps team cards I couldn't resist the opportunity to chime in on 1956 variations. I mention the team cards as possibly part of the flat-hat mystery in an article on our library page (toward the end of the article) at: http://oldbaseball.com/refs/Hobby_Odds_and_Ends_2.pdf It is always fun to find variations, looking for them can be a pain. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:15:06 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: 56 topps team cards Yes, 5 total variations for those team cards. The "dated 1955" versions don't have a back variation. ================= Date: 06 Nov 2013 13:10:09 -0800 To: From: Subject: Chicago sun times show ================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 16:11:15 -0600 To: "" From: Jleroux Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show I am hoping to be there on Saturday > On Nov 6, 2013, at 3:10 PM, wrote: > Is anybody going to be at the convention center in Chicago. The show runs Friday-Sunday before thanksgiving. I'm looking to hopefully go. > Nick Pelletier > Thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 17:35:00 -0500 (EST) To: thenamenotused@yahoo.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show Content-Language: en i will try to make it on Friday. very busy weekend for me Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/6/2013 3:10:14 P.M. Central Standard Time, thenamenotused@yahoo.com writes: Is anybody going to be at the convention center in Chicago. The show runs Friday-Sunday before thanksgiving. I'm looking to hopefully go. Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Wed, 6 Nov 2013 15:36:31 -0800 (PST) To: "thenamenotused@yahoo.com" , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show Hi Nick I'm hoping to be there Saturday. Let me know if you end up going. Mike Mackie From: "thenamenotused@yahoo.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show Is anybody going to be at the convention center in Chicago. The show runs Friday-Sunday before thanksgiving. I'm looking to hopefully go. Nick Pelletier ================= To: macknife13@prodigy.net, thenamenotused@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 05:37:05 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show The FOOT group is not likely to include Mark Talbot or myself this time. Ron Perry is travelling (India and China) for work, but the last time I spoke to him, he planned on going and would check with John Dahms on his availability. They will likely go for either Friday or Saturday only. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Mike Mackie To: thenamenotused ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 6, 2013 6:36 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show Hi Nick I'm hoping to be there Saturday. Let me know if you end up going. Mike Mackie From: "thenamenotused@yahoo.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 6, 2013 3:10 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago sun times show Is anybody going to be at the convention center in Chicago. The show runs Friday-Sunday before thanksgiving. I'm looking to hopefully go. Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:56:46 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: clevleand shops even though i spent most of the first 23 years living there, i have never been to a card shop in and around cleveland. i will be there for several days around thanksgiving, and thought it might be time to check out the situation in my hometown. looking for places that feature vintage that havent been slabbed with outrageous prices. not sure those exist anywhere anymore, but if you have any ideas, i would be interested in checking it out. and if anyone wants to meet up on this trek, i will have my car. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 08:58:39 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] clevleand shops Content-Language: en it might be nice if i could spell my hometown name correctly cleveland (named after moses cleaveland i believe) In a message dated 11/7/2013 7:56:49 A.M. Central Standard Time, smartalecx@aol.com writes: even though i spent most of the first 23 years living there, i have never been to a card shop in and around cleveland. i will be there for several days around thanksgiving, and thought it might be time to check out the situation in my hometown. looking for places that feature vintage that havent been slabbed with outrageous prices. not sure those exist anywhere anymore, but if you haveany ideas, i would be interested in checking it out. and if anyone wants to meet up on this trek, i will have my car. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 10:28:41 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Chicago sun times show I've been to just about every Chicago show for many years. However, this year we are in San Francisco and LA for a few months. I'll be going to Mark Macrae's show near Oakland that same weekend. I'll give an OBC-style report. ================= Date: Thu, 07 Nov 2013 17:26:43 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: Is is time? For Secret Santa to be getting ready? Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Thu, 7 Nov 2013 18:37:21 -0500 To: Yaz From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Is is time? Yes. I'm a little behind. Will send something out this weekend On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 6:26 PM, Yaz wrote: > For Secret Santa to be getting ready? > Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 09:23:41 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Baseball grave visitations Just discovered that Charles W. Glidden, an extended family relative who used to own land in my Cambridge neighborhood, shares internment at Pine Grove Cemetery (Lynn, MA) with none other than the Golden Greek, Harry http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=3608 Don't remember us discussing burial sites of former players before. Anyone make a point of doing that during their travels? Now planning a trek to Lynn, MA to find these markers for myself. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:07:22 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: 51 bowman question hello all, stopped in my local card shop. nothing much new in there but a lot of 51 bowman 1-216. fronts are nice, probably vg and better.backs however look like they were pasted to a book. they came out pretty much ok except right along the top where the name is there is slight paper loss. still can read all the names though. curious to what your thoughts are on what a fair offer/price would be. Iwas thinking on offering 10% of book. any thoughts? John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 13:50:34 -0500 (EST) To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball grave visitations Content-Language: en Yes. I go to gravesites I visit gravesites every time I travel. I am not sure why and it may seem wierd. I guess for the same reason I see any other historical place along the way. It is a peaceful reflection on all things history. I collect baseball cards, Hall of Fames, been to about 90 of them, and I go to cemeteries. Out here in the West, Eddie Mathews, Joe Dimmagio, Earl Averill, Earl Torgeson, Amos Rusie, Bobby Bonds, Lefty Odoul. I have been to Ben Franklins gravesite 6 times. ???. 12 presidents. Elvis Presley and Daniel Boone, Buffalo Bill, John Dillenger. And others. My mom is buried about 20 yards from Buck Owens. Kind of funny. I have been to 22 baseball players. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, John Mcgraw, Pie Traynor, Cap Anson, Roger Bresnahan, and others. If I am anywhere near Pennsylvania I visit Bucknell University and visit the site of Christy Mathewson. Done that 4 times. My daughter Christy seemed to really think that was a good thing to do. Have a nice visit Spike. Randy Welk In a message dated 11/8/2013 6:23:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, glidden.matthew@gmail.com writes: Just discovered that Charles W. Glidden, an extended family relative who used to own land in my Cambridge neighborhood, shares internment at Pine Grove Cemetery (Lynn, MA) with none other than the Golden Greek, Harry http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pagegr&GRid3608 Don't remember us discussing burial sites of former players before. Anyone make a point of doing that during their travels? Now planning a trek to Lynn, MA to find these markers for myself. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:33:40 -0500 (EST) To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball grave visitations Content-Language: en a good read is the the book 6 feet under by stew thornley where he has all the hall of famers and their burial sites by sites , hope this can help you. I do use it when i travel but must admit i 've g for gotten of the forgotten trail (no pun intended) as i look for presidential resting placesand historical sites. This may help you though as i believe he does have an area by site, row and area of the cemetary. In a message dated 11/8/2013 8:23:46 A.M. Central Standard Time, glidden.matthew@gmail.com writes: Just discovered that Charles W. Glidden, an extended family relative who used to own land in my Cambridge neighborhood, shares internment at Pine Grove Cemetery (Lynn, MA) with none other ethe Golden Greek, Harry Agganis. http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pagegr&GRid3608 Don't remember us discussing burial sites of former players before. Anyone make a point of doing that during their travels? Now planning a trek to Lynn, MA to find these markers for myself. ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 12:37:35 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Turning back the hands of time............. Like 50 years ago. Fall of 1963........Dodgers hade just swept the Yankees in the World Series. Little Grant, scouring the lanes and ditches of Vancouver for pop bottles, value 2 cents each if returned to the store. Five bottles equalled two packs of cards. I think it is how I learned to count. That time of year, it was hard.......Topps (7th Series), or Fleer for baseball. CFL and NHL also in the mix.......not to mention Beverley Hillbillies and Combat! Migawd I loved the counter at the local store. No matter what I did, I couldn't pull a Stargell or Rose RC............and the other kids wouldn't swap them or play Topsies or Leansies with those WAY cool 1963 Rookie cards. I managed to hang on to most of my cards and comics over the years, sitting in boxes until I discovered about a dozen or so years ago that I was still a child. Out they came, OBC came into the mix, and I started filling holes. I did get the Stargell about a year ago, but there was still a gaping hole in the binder for #537 Pete Rose. Well, after some serious wheeling and dealing, not to mention negotiations, I decided to part with some memorabilia, and hooked up with a chap in Vancouver who just happened to want what I was offering.......so off he went searching for a PSA Rose RC for me, and all I was asking was around a PSA 2.5-3, and the Vancouver Mounties memorabilia would be his. (Yes, I insisted on Graded to avoid or lessen the chance orf a reprint or forgery). It arrived today. Guess I'll be sending back some memorabilia shortly. Charley Hustle now lives in Powell River, B.C., little Grant is very happy, and the 1963 set has been put to rest. Finissimo. Done. I'm as giddy as a Many thanks to all in OBC who helped me with my 1963 pursuit. My crosshairs are now trained on 1964, last card needed is #331 A.L. Bombers........(I don't count the #4 no apostrophe card.) I guess I should wait until 50 years has elapsed to finish 1964 too, but I don't feel at all like waiting..............so if anyone has one of those '64 Mantle/Kaline/Maris/Cash cards, the last thing I expect is for someone to just send it. If you have one, please let me have a look at your wantlist and I'll see if I can balance it out. Hard to imagine the possibility of finishing two vintage sets like these in the same week. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 16:10:26 -0500 To: Randy Welk From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball grave visitations Thanks Randy and Ray, good to know there's more of us out there! Think this will be the first baseball grave I've specifically sought out, as Cambridge highlights their authors, politicians, and philosophers over guys who swung the bat. :-) On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM, wrote: > Yes. I go to gravesites > I visit gravesites every time I travel. I am not sure why and it may seem > wierd. I guess for the same reason I see any other historical place along > the way. It is a peaceful reflection on all things history. > I collect baseball cards, Hall of Fames, been to about 90 of them, and I > go to cemeteries. > Out here in the West, Eddie Mathews, Joe Dimmagio, Earl Averill, Earl > Torgeson, Amos Rusie, Bobby Bonds, Lefty Odoul. > I have been to Ben Franklins gravesite 6 times. ???. 12 presidents. Elvis > Presley and Daniel Boone, Buffalo Bill, John Dillenger. And others. > My mom is buried about 20 yards from Buck Owens. Kind of funny. > I have been to 22 baseball players. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, John Mcgraw, > Pie Traynor, Cap Anson, Roger Bresnahan, and others. > If I am anywhere near Pennsylvania I visit Bucknell University and visit > the site of Christy Mathewson. Done that 4 times. My daughter Christy > seemed to really think that was a good thing to do. > Have a nice visit Spike. > Randy Welk > In a message dated 11/8/2013 6:23:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > glidden.matthew@gmail.com writes: > Just discovered that Charles W. Glidden, an extended family relative who > used to own land in my Cambridge neighborhood, shares internment at Pine > Grove Cemetery (Lynn, MA) with none other than the Golden Greek, Harry > Agganis. > http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pagegr&GRid3608 > Don't remember us discussing burial sites of former players before. Anyone > make a point of doing that during their travels? Now planning a trek to > Lynn, MA to find these markers for myself. > Spike ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 17:11:09 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: OBC XMas Exchange 2013 Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, a few weeks after Hanukkah, the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $5-10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server ASAP. How it works. 1. REPLY DIRECTLY TO THIS EMAIL (please do not send a new message as itmay miss my email filter), put with your name in the message, that will make it easier to track things. Or send an email to me with " OBC XMas Exchange 2013" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. Please make sure OBC XMas Exchange 2013 is in the subject line! That makes it easy to track. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique involving paper, scissors and a hat. 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, andsend it out. NOTE: We are running a little late this year so hurry up and respond. I will try to get assignments out ASAP Happy Holidays! Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 20:38:18 -0800 To: Matthew Glidden From: Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Baseball grave visitations Had to chime in...I'm at the Hollywood Forever Cemetery tonight watching a concert at the Masonic Lodge...Tired Pony featuring the lead singer from Snow Patrol. A small venue with only about 250 people. John Stamper On Nov 8, 2013, at 1:10 PM, Matthew Glidden wrote: > Thanks Randy and Ray, good to know there's more of us out there! Think this will be the first baseball grave I've specifically sought out, as Cambridge highlights their authors, politicians, and philosophers over guys who swung the bat. :-) > Spike > On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 1:50 PM, wrote: >> Yes. I go to gravesites >> I visit gravesites every time I travel. I am not sure why and it may seem wierd. I guess for the same reason I see any other historical place alongthe way. It is a peaceful reflection on all things history. >> I collect baseball cards, Hall of Fames, been to about 90 of them, and Igo to cemeteries. >> Out here in the West, Eddie Mathews, Joe Dimmagio, Earl Averill, Earl Torgeson, Amos Rusie, Bobby Bonds, Lefty Odoul. >> I have been to Ben Franklins gravesite 6 times. ???. 12 presidents. Elvis Presley and Daniel Boone, Buffalo Bill, John Dillenger. And others. >> My mom is buried about 20 yards from Buck Owens. Kind of funny. >> I have been to 22 baseball players. Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, John Mcgraw, Pie Traynor, Cap Anson, Roger Bresnahan, and others. >> If I am anywhere near Pennsylvania I visit Bucknell University and visitthe site of Christy Mathewson. Done that 4 times. My daughter Christy seemed to really think that was a good thing to do. >> Have a nice visit Spike. >> Randy Welk >> In a message dated 11/8/2013 6:23:46 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, glidden.matthew@gmail.com >> Just discovered that Charles W. Glidden, an extended family relative whoused to own land in my Cambridge neighborhood, shares internment at Pine Grove Cemetery (Lynn, MA) with none other than the Golden Greek, Harry Agganis. >> http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?pagegr&GRid3608 >> Don't remember us discussing burial sites of former players before. Anyone make a point of doing that during their travels? Now planning a trek to Lynn, MA to find these markers for myself. >> Spike ================= To: OBC ramblings Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 23:42:05 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 51 bowman question I might want to settle for 10% tops, along with a "quantity" discount of course, so I'd start by offering less. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jd3681@yahoo.com Date: Fri, 8 Nov 2013 10:07:22 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 51 bowman question hello all, stopped in my local card shop. nothing much new in therebut a lot of 51 bowman 1-216. fronts are nice, probably vg and better. backs however look like they were pasted to a book. they came out pretty much ok except right along the top where the name is there is slight paper loss. still can read all the names though. curious to what your thoughts are on what a fair offer/price would be. I was thinking on offering 10% of book. any thoughts? John Dahms3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601Jackson, MI49202I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out mysite.http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 15:10:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Any Clemente fans? Cleaning up (just a little) and found a collection of 6 City Pride bread wrappers, each with a different Clemente card inside. I believe they are from 1993 and were used to promote the building of a Roberto Clemente statue in Pittsburgh. These were sent to me from an OBCer, and as I have two sets, it is clear that the extra set needs to go to someone in OBC. Just say the word, and they will be winging their way to you. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 15:54:20 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: New Set Added I added the 1941 Goudeys to my list today. If anybody has some to trade, let me know. 1941 Goudey (b 11/09/13) Any color 5 6 8 18 20-25 30 32 33 Master Set Needs Blue 4-8 10 11 14 16 18 20-27 29-33 Green 1-3 5 6 8-11 13 15 18-25 27-33 Red 2-9 12-18 20-28 30 32 33 Yellow 1 2 5-10 12-26 28-33 Dupes: 7 Green, 16 Green ================= Date: 09 Nov 2013 16:59:55 -0800 To: From: Subject: Toronto report ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 22:17:02 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report Forgot to mention that I saw a 63 Salada BB coin #56 Mantle for $40 with just some rim wear and each version of the 64 Topps Bb Coin #131 Mantle for $20 each. The 64s show some rust. Let me know if you would like me to tryand grab those for you. Mike Rich ---- Original Message ---- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 7:59 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report I made it up to the Toronto show yesterday. With how difficult my lists are to hit, I tried to come with low expectations, even though I was not herefor the May show. I only made 4 purchases yesterday, including the last one for $1. The first, and largest purchase of the day, was of a small group of 1954 Blue Ribbon CFL cards, from a guy who was trying to sell them to Cut Throat Larry. After Larry turned them down, I went into the concessions area and worked out a deal with the guy. Second purcchase included a fewhockey matchbooks and a nice lot of 1948/9 Turf Cigarettes Olympic cards. Turned that from a have to a wantlist needing 16 of 50 to complete. I then found a table that I was able to get 1961 Fleer BB Stickers individually, and think I ended up with a compelte set. In addition I picked up some Post CFL for Marshall West and myself, and some 1960 Leaf BB high numbers for the dupes box. The highlight yeterday was finding out that Greg Fisher of Cameo Cards was back set up. Greg has lived a soap opera the last 5 years, including his B & B being lost to forelcosure, being hit by a car, resulting in numerous leg surgeries, seperating from his wife, and then this spring, having a heart attack. Nothing I needed at his spot, but hopefully guys can see him at upcoming shows and at least say hi, even if you cannot pick anything up. Today started out much better. Got there right when it opened, and almsot immediately found a table that had some 1928 Ogden's Pugilists. Picked up 26, including Dempsey and Tunney for $100! My buy of the show. With the 3I had (1 is a dupe), I now need only 22 of 50, Picked up some 1962 Shirriff BB coins, and a Tim Horton 68 Shirriff hockey coin. I then found a tablewith OBC condition stuff and OBC prices. They did not want to knock much more off, but I got another 20 - 25% off of a stack of 1933 & 1934 WWG BB (Canadian Goudeys), and C55 Hockey (doubling those from having 5 to 10 of 45). I also got started on a Parkhurst Indianapolis 500 winners set. Most of the WWG are dupes, that may be upgrades and trade bait for anyone else working on those sets. I then met up with Gord Ellis and we did a significant swap. I picked up fom him 4 of teh last 6 1962-63 Parkhurst hockey 1 of the last 4 1964 Coke CFL caps, a starter group of 1946? Kellogg's Wheat, a few 1956 Gum Adventure, a pair of 1952 Parkhurst BB, including Gilliam, and4 1968 Shirriff Hockey shortprints! After Gor dand I split up, I found a table that had boxes fo OBC condition cards. While sorting through them, Carlos Alcazar stopped by and surprisedme. I was so surprised I forgot to give Carlos the cards I had for him inmy case! OOPS! I did end up finding some cards for Carlos as we were chatting in the 25 cent box, including some 1955 era cards. At that table I picked up, not one, but two 1962-63 Parkhurst Gordie Howe cards, (1 for my set and 1 for whomever may need it, as it is trashed), I am now down to Armstrong to finish the set. I got lots of other oddball at the table, including liots of little hits to Sal's Rangers lists, and a hit for Mac. See what happens when you sned me your Canadian wantlists and I am in Toronto??? I am not finding much OPC BB. Mainly 1969 and 1970. 1971 high numbers arenot to be found. I think I have seen 2 of those in 2 days. I have not yet made it through the entire show, as I have been going at an extremely leisurely pace. Only 1 more row to check out, and about 4 tables that I may go back to. Mike Rich ================= To: mikesportsfan@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 03:36:22 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report ================= To: , Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 19:52:10 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report The Mayor of Toronto was more than likely lying ON his back......... what ajoke that toad is. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Sent: November-09-13 7:36 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report Did you see the mayor? He was probably out back... Take Care, Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 22:17:02 -0500 (EST) To: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report Forgot to mention that I saw a 63 Salada BB coin #56 Mantle for $40 with just some rim wear and each version of the 64 Topps Bb Coin #131 Mantle for $20 each. The 64s show some rust. Let me know if you would like me to tryand grab those for you. Mike Rich ---- Original Message ---- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Nov 9, 2013 7:59 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Toronto report I made it up to the Toronto show yesterday. With how difficult my lists are to hit, I tried to come with low expectations, even though I was not herefor the May show. I only made 4 purchases yesterday, including the last one for $1. The first, and largest purchase of the day, was of a small group of 1954 Blue Ribbon CFL cards, from a guy who was trying to sell them to Cut Throat Larry. After Larry turned them down, I went into the concessions area and worked out a deal with the guy. Second purcchase included a fewhockey matchbooks and a nice lot of 1948/9 Turf Cigarettes Olympic cards. Turned that from a have to a wantlist needing 16 of 50 to complete. I then found a table that I was able to get 1961 Fleer BB Stickers individually, and think I ended up with a compelte set. In addition I picked up some Post CFL for Marshall West and myself, and some 1960 Leaf BB high numbers for the dupes box. The hig hlight yeterday was finding out that Greg Fisher of Cameo Cards was back set up. Greg has lived a soap opera the last 5 years, including his B & B being lost to forelcosure, being hit by a car, resulting in numerous leg surgeries, seperating from his wife, and then this spring, having a heart attack. Nothing I needed at his spot, but hopefully guys can see him at upcoming shows and at least say hi, even if you cannot pick anything up. Today started out much better. Got there right when it opened, and almsot immediately found a table that had some 1928 Ogden's Pugilists. Picked up 26, including Dempsey and Tunney for $100! My buy of the show. With the 3I had (1 is a dupe), I now need only 22 of 50, Picked up some 1962 Shirriff BB coins, and a Tim Horton 68 Shirriff hockey coin. I then found a tablewith OBC condition stuff and OBC prices. They did not want to knock much more off, but I got another 20 - 25% off of a stack of 1933 & 1934 WWG BB (Canadian Goudeys), and C55 Hockey (doubling those from having 5 to 10 of 45). I also got started on a Parkhurst Indianapolis 500 winners set. Most of the WWG are dupes, that may be upgrades and trade bait for anyone else working on those sets. I then met up with Gord Ellis and we did a significant swap. I picked up fom him 4 of teh last 6 1962-63 Parkhurst hockey 1 of the last 4 1964 Coke CFL c aps, a starter group of 1946? Kellogg's Wheat, afew 1956 Gum Adventure, a pair of 1952 Parkhurst BB, including Gilliam, and 4 1968 Shirriff Hockey shortprints! After Gor dand I split up, I found a table that had boxes fo OBC condition cards. While sorting through them, Carlos Alcazar stopped by and surprisedme. I was so surprised I forgot to give Carlos the cards I had for him inmy case! OOPS! I did end up finding some cards for Carlos as we were chatting in the 25 cent box, including some 1955 era cards. At that table I picked up, not one, but two 1962-63 Parkhurst Gordie Howe cards, (1 for my set and 1 for whomever may need it, as it is trashed), I am now down to Armstrong to finish the set. I got lots of other oddball at the table, including liots of little hits to Sal's Rangers lists, and a hit for Mac. See what happens when you sned me your Canadian wantlists and I am in Toronto??? I am not finding much OPC BB. Mainly 1969 and 1970. 1971 high numbers arenot to be found. I think I have seen 2 of those in 2 days. I have not yet made it through the entire show, as I have been going at an extremely leisurely pace. Only 1 more row to check out, and about 4 tables that I may go back to. Mike Rich No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6821 - Release Date: 11/08/13 ================= Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 07:43:53 +0000 (UTC) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: OH NO!!! A NEW VARIATION Hello All, I recently completed the `68 Laughlin World Series set - the Black & White one that started them all - WELL AT LEAST I THOUGHT I HAD COMPLETED IT. Today while putting the cards away I noticed a distinct variation that sent me scrambling. There is a distinct ad on the back on the bottom line that states "Write for the entire set of 63" and there's an address. Of course the variation does not have the ad. I've been passing these out liberally as I thought I had dupes - now I have a stack I'm still going to be looking for. Here is my NEW WANT-LIST for the set: 1968 LAUGHLIN WORLD SERIES (B/W copyright 1967) VARIATION w/Ad on bottom line (Write for entire set of 63) - 1, 4, 5, 7, 15, 16, 20, 31, 32, 33, 35, 36, 37, 39, 41, 42, 45, 47, 49, 50, 52, 53, 56, 57, 58, 60, 61, 63. WITH OUT VARIATION (no Ad) - 12, 43, 62. I don't have too many dupes left as many became a variation set I am now building but if anybody has any of these it would be great to hear from you!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------------------- MARK ================= To: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 09:08:47 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: OH NO!!! A NEW VARIATION Quite a find on the Laughlin variation. It is hard to believe that it has escaped being recognized for all these years. Is it possible though that you have a combination of what are known as the Laughlin World Series (prototype) set from 1967 and the nearly identical sets called 1970 (or even 1971) Fleer World Series (in the Krause catalogs)? I' m not at home and can't check my cards but maybe you are looking at two different "sets"? The Fleer sets (with the Laughlin copyright) don't appear to have any ads, but I don't know what the back of the 1967 Laughlin cards look like. There are some printing differences involving circular color blobs on the 1971 World Series set on numbers 19, 21, 25, and 33. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 17:04:20 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Clemente has been spoken for. To all who responded, Dan Anglund was the first in, so the Clemente's will be heading his way. I apologize to the others--I didn't think they would be so popular--either we have more Clemente fans than I realized, or more City Pride Bread fans. ================= Date: 10 Nov 2013 15:09:29 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: Re: OH NO!!! A NEW VARIATION ================= To: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 21:52:53 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: 1921/22 American Caramel E121 Got about 20 of these, and just picked up a Ruth for under $250. ThinkI am going to try to expand on this set. I like the fact that it has actual pictures of players in batting/pitching/fielding poses. I doubt anyone has many of these in your dup box, but just in case I would be interested in trading and could swap Goudeys, E90's, T205/6/7's and perhaps a few other ================= To: Date: Sun, 10 Nov 2013 22:00:47 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: OBC XMas Exchange 2013 Rminder #2 See below. I will try to make assignments later this week so there is still time to join! From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2013 5:11 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: OBC XMas Exchange 2013 Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, a few weeks after Hanukkah, the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $5-10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server ASAP. How it works. 1. REPLY DIRECTLY TO THIS EMAIL (please do not send a new message as itmay miss my email filter), put with your name in the message, that will make it easier to track things. Or send an email to me with " OBC XMas Exchange 2013" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. Please make sure OBC XMas Exchange 2013 is in the subject line! That makes it easy to track. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique involving paper, scissors and a hat. 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, andsend it out. NOTE: We are running a little late this year so hurry up and respond. I will try to get assignments out ASAP Happy Holidays! Bob Donaldson ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:05:56 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: any interest to split N43 ebay lot- stuck to the scrapbook An interesting lot caught my eye because 1) I love the N43s and 2) they are still pasted on the scrap book pages. Looks like the original owner had agood collection and I would love to get my hands on the rest of them :) but no idea where they may be today. Years ago I spit an N43 lot with another OBCer (sorry I have forgotten who)and would be very happy to split this lot as well. Please let me know if you have any interest in these N43s. Hopefully, the fact that they obviouslyhave glue on the back of them will make these cards more affordable. Thanks! http://www.ebay.com/itm/Lot-of-15-N43-1888-Allen-Ginter-Attached-on-Vintage-Scrapbook-Paper-/380763862818?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem58a74b7722 Ed Pike ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 00:07:07 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: Re: Baseball grave visitations#1a I live near Colma, someday should visit Joe D and other famous folks. Ed Pike ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 07:24:12 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Peter" Subject: Happy Veterans Day! ...and thanks so much to all who have served. In the past few weeks I have discovered that something happened 100 years ago today that makes me smile... I also figured out that this would have been the last time before WWI that 11/11 was not Veterans Day but just 11 November. 100 years ago today Hans Lobert raced a horse around the bases! I wrote about it a bit in the blog and also wrote about collecting 62 Toppson Saturday (at the same time Grant was writing about his 63 Topps exploits as a kid..). Please take a look if you get a chance. I am in search of feedback - so I can learn how to do this on-line presence stuff - so I'd appreciate anything you observe or feel about the blog or the path I am taking... Thanks in advance and I hope you all have a lovely week... ================= To: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 08:21:17 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: OH NO!!! A NEW VARIATION It looks like Tom Housley found that it was indeed the scarce 1968 Laughlin prototype issue with the variations and not the later Fleer sets. I haven't collected the 1968 set. Thanks guys for the info on this. ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:54:59 -0600 To: OBCRamblings From: john harrell Subject: RE: Re: OH NO!!! A NEW VARIATION The set that Tom posted is the common 1967 Laughlin set. The rare version of the set has the Laughlin address and the solicitation to get the complete set. I have two of the common 1967 sets. George, can you send me info on the 71 Fleer sets as I have two sets of them and would like to check them. ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:01:00 -0600 To: OBCRamblings From: john harrell Subject: Re: OH NO!!! A NEW VARIATION My bad!! I posted without checking closely. The sheets posted are the rare back version of the 67 Laughlin set. ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:16:25 -0600 To: OBCRamblings From: john harrell Subject: 1971 Fleer variations I checked my two 71 Fleer sets and BY GOLLY I found one of the color blobs on card 33. One of my sets does not have it on card 33 and the other does. The blob is circular, blue, about 6 mm in diameter about halfway down the right side of the card on the front with approximately 2/3 of it in the card design and 1/3 in the white border. The middle of the blob has a blue line (same color) extending from it to the edge of the card. P.S. Grrrrrrrrr...... thanks for more &#@*%!$+ variations :-) ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:33:54 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report Oops=E2=A6wrong server. Trying again... ----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Geno Wagner >To: OBC AC >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:33 AM >Subject: Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report >Rob -- >I like your suggestion=E2=A6throwing it out the Rambling server! >Take Care, >----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: Rob Bessette >>To: Geno Wagner >>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:49 AM >>Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report >>Hey Geno, one thought that I had for the website would organize things quite nicely, but I don't know if it's do-able. >>When looking for need lists I just navigate through "who collects what" and am brought to their need page. >>Where things get tough for me is if I have a large pile of 1970 Topps andwant to send out to some OBCers I have trouble finding what people need. >>Basically what I'm saying is, would it be possible for me to search 1970 Topps and then everyone who collects it would come up. But ONLY they're 1970 Topps needs. That way I can quickly scroll through everyone'slist for that particular set and don't have to click in and out of different members pages. >>Just a quick thought. I'm fine with the site as is, but figured I'dput in my two cents. >>Let me know if that makes sense. >>On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: >>>Fellas -- >>>The AC had a few topics this to mull over this month, so here's the rundown: >>>1) Joe Isaac resigned as Facilitator, so I stepped into that role. Rich Niessen moved into my role as a voting member. >>>2) Jimi Thayer's application was rejected by a vote of 4-2. >>>3) Greg Buscemi was readmitted, but a vote of 7-0. >>>4) By a vote of 7-0, the AC has approved Wayne Delia and his son to revamp the OBC website. According to Wayne's soon, who will be working this for free as part of a college project, "1990 called and wanted their website >>>As part of the web redesign, we'd like any ideas you have so that Wayne can put them in the "nice to have" or "need to have" pile. Please bring up ideas on Ramblings. >>>That's pretty much it! >>>Your OBC-AC is Geordie Calvert, Tom Housley, Ken Morganti, Rich Niessen,John Stamper, George Vrechek, Geno Wagner, and Mac Wubben. >>>Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 10:47:05 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report Surely in order to do that everyone's wantlists would have to be in the same format and/or sortable. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report Oops=E2=A6wrong server. Trying again... ----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Geno Wagner >To: OBC AC >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:33 AM >Subject: Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report >Rob -- >I like your suggestion=E2=A6throwing it out the Rambling server! >Take Care, >----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: Rob Bessette >>To: Geno Wagner >>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:49 AM >>Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report >>Hey Geno, one thought that I had for the website would organize things quite nicely, but I don't know if it's do-able. >>When looking for need lists I just navigate through "who collects what" and am brought to their need page. >>Where things get tough for me is if I have a large pile of 1970 Topps andwant to send out to some OBCers I have trouble finding what people need. >>Basically what I'm saying is, would it be possible for me to search 1970 Topps and then everyone who collects it would come up. But ONLY they're 1970 Topps needs. That way I can quickly scroll through everyone'slist for that particular set and don't have to click in and out of different members pages. >>Just a quick thought. I'm fine with the site as is, but figured I'dput in my two cents. >>Let me know if that makes sense. >>On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: >>>Fellas -- >>>The AC had a few topics this to mull over this month, so here's the rundown: >>>1) Joe Isaac resigned as Facilitator, so I stepped into that role. Rich Niessen moved into my role as a voting member. >>>2) Jimi Thayer's application was rejected by a vote of 4-2. >>>3) Greg Buscemi was readmitted, but a vote of 7-0. >>>4) By a vote of 7-0, the AC has approved Wayne Delia and his son to revamp the OBC website. According to Wayne's soon, who will be working this for free as part of a college project, "1990 called and wanted their website >>>As part of the web redesign, we'd like any ideas you have so that Wayne can put them in the "nice to have" or "need to have" pile. Please bring up ideas on Ramblings. >>>That's pretty much it! >>>Your OBC-AC is Geordie Calvert, Tom Housley, Ken Morganti, Rich Niessen,John Stamper, George Vrechek, Geno Wagner, and Mac Wubben. >>>Take Care, ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:06:38 +0000 From: "Hitzeman, Steven A." Subject: FW: First Sports Illustrated Anyone interested. From: JMCCOY65@aol.com [mailto:JMCCOY65@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, November 10, 2013 9:07 PM To: Hitzeman, Steven A. Subject: First Sports Illustrated Steve, I have a friend who has the first five copies of Sports Illustrated,pristine condition (the ones with Topps baseball cards in them). Would you be interested in them, and, what is an approximate value. Mac ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:06:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report This could be done with a database (MS ACCESS) program that sits behind thewebsite. Everyone would need to use the same format, at least for all of the more commonly collected (Topps, Fleer, Bowman, Post, Kelloggs, Hostess,Goudey, Playball, Diamond Stars, T-Cards, etc) sets. Each data record would be something like: Collector / Year / Mfgr / Set / Card# / Cond Req Mike Mroz / 1952 / Topps / Base / 311 / NrMt That way, anyone could search by any of the fields - anything Mike Mroz collects anyone collecting 1952 Topps Base anyone needing 1952 Topps Base #311 Another field could be added for Sport - BBALL, FBALL, HCKEY, BSKTB, (or RUGBY, BOXNG, CRICK, WPOLO, BOWLG for Mike Rich) I'm just not sure how to Password protect the "Collector" field, so only the owner could update, although I'm sure it can be done. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > Surely in order to do that everyone's wantlists would have to be in the same format and/or sortable. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > ________________________________ > From: Geno Wagner > To: OBC Ramblings > Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:33 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report > Oops=E2=A6wrong server. Trying again... > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > >From: Geno Wagner > >To: OBC AC > >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:33 AM > >Subject: Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report > > > > > > > >Rob -- > > > > > >I like your suggestion=E2=A6throwing it out the Rambling server! > > > > > >Take Care, > >Geno > > > > > > > > > >----- Forwarded Message ----- > >>From: Rob Bessette > >>To: Geno Wagner > >>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:49 AM > >>Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report > >> > >> > >> > >>Hey Geno, one thought that I had for the website would organize things quite nicely, but I don't know if it's do-able. > >> > >> > >>When looking for need lists I just navigate through "who collects what"and am brought to their need page. > >> > >> > >>Where things get tough for me is if I have a large pile of 1970 Topps and want to send out to some OBCers I have trouble finding what people need. > >> > >> > >>Basically what I'm saying is, would it be possible for me to search 1970 Topps and then everyone who collects it would come up. But ONLY they're 1970 Topps needs. That way I can quickly scroll through everyone's list for that particular set and don't have to click in and out of different members pages. > >> > >> > >>Just a quick thought. I'm fine with the site as is, but figured I'd put in my two cents. > >> > >> > >>Let me know if that makes sense. > >> > >> > >>Rob > >> > >>On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > >> > >> > >>> > >>> > >>>Fellas -- > >>> > >>> > >>>The AC had a few topics this to mull over this month, so here's the rundown: > >>> > >>> > >>>1) Joe Isaac resigned as Facilitator, so I stepped into that role. Rich Niessen moved into my role as a voting member. > >>> > >>> > >>>2) Jimi Thayer's application was rejected by a vote of 4-2. > >>> > >>> > >>>3) Greg Buscemi was readmitted, but a vote of 7-0. > >>> > >>> > >>>4) By a vote of 7-0, the AC has approved Wayne Delia and his son to revamp the OBC website. According to Wayne's soon, who will be working this for free as part of a college project, "1990 called and wanted their website > >>> > >>> > >>>As part of the web redesign, we'd like any ideas you have so that Wayne can put them in the "nice to have" or "need to have" pile. Please bring up ideas on Ramblings. > >>> > >>> > >>>That's pretty much it! > >>> > >>> > >>>Your OBC-AC is Geordie Calvert, Tom Housley, Ken Morganti, Rich Niessen, John Stamper, George Vrechek, Geno Wagner, and Mac Wubben. > >>> > >>> > >>>Take Care, > >>>Geno > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:15:58 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: Anyone want an Allen Iverson bobble head? Going though some odd-ball stuff so you will see some odd-ball offerings. :) I have a McDonald's Allen Iverson (black uniform) bobble head available. Has chip missing at the base of his head and under his ear in the back. Frontis nice. Yours for trade/cost in shipping only. If interested, let me know. ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Membership issue Fellas -- Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal to admitJimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he isa "trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Most of the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but I thought this one sort of put the whole philosophyinto perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark isa dealer and won't be active? My two cents" Take Care, ================= To: "vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:20:41 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: 1962 Houston Oilers team photo available I have the subject item available. It is worn/faded and attached to a backing board along with the list of players. Still, an early AFL piece. If interested, let me know. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:22:24 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Well said Geno, thanks for passing the anonymous comments on. As you know from our private conversation, I totally agree. Keeping Jimi out because he sometimes will sell cards and then considering a What's with that? Someone please square this circle for me because I don'tget Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Fellas -- Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal to admit Jimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he is a "trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Most of the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but I thought thisone sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark isa dealer and won't be active? My two cents" Take Care,Geno ================= To: "vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:28:32 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: 1989 Harlem Globetrotters World Tour program Anyone interested in the subject item? Let me know. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:35:12 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: 1987 Minnesota Vikings Team photo (Chris Doleman auto) Subject line team photo with Chris Doleman autograph on the back is available. Probably given out as a promo since it has GTE on the front. Not mint, but not terrible shape either. Let me know. ================= To: Geno Wagner , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 19:38:10 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue I don't think there is a lot of choice in the matter. (member who left in good standing)..although I think both Greg and Mark might have to pay the dues? One of the problems is that Mark's list is probably out of this world. Whypost it? Anybody have some 1-of-a-kind zeenut short prints? He doesn't really send out cards or post a list. Still, he is a wealth of knowledge and a nice guy...though a dealer. As far as I'm concerned, it's enough to be a friendly guy who likes baseball cards. I would like to hear from Mark as to why he wants to rejoin. Something like...hey Mark, if you want back it, you're in (per the Rules), butthe AC requests a short note as to why you'd like to rejoin...as you don'tseem to be too active on the sending or receiving front. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Fellas -- Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal to admit Jimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he is a "trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Most of the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but I thought thisone sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark isa dealer and won't be active? My two cents" Take Care,Geno ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:03:55 -0500 (EST) To: obcmac@hotmail.com, illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Content-Language: en it seems to me that there are plenty of folks in obc who trade, some even sell, and some buy. but i dont know many who do exclusively one of those i have been a member for a dozen years, and i dont recall mark having been very active in sending stuff out while we were both members. i also dont recall him being very active in sending out thanks, although if, as mac indicated, his list is impossible to hit, then that would make sense. (its also very possible that i just dont remember!) so if his only reason for joining is to get his name out there to promote his sales business, than i think that is what the dealer list is for. as far as i know, those dealers do pretty well by us. i know uncle dick, kurt, chandy, jd and many others are pretty happy being on the list. if he wants to exchange cards, or even send a little ROAK, great! be a member. so i agree with mac (i think that makes twice is 12 years) that we should ask mark what his intentions are. if they are acceptable to the OBCAC, great! he should be a member. if not, then i imagine he would still be a welcomed part of the dealer In a message dated 11/11/2013 6:38:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, obcmac@hotmail.com writes: I don't think there is a lot of choice in the matter. (member who left in good standing)..although I think both Greg and Mark might have to pay the One of the problems is that Mark's list is probably out of this world. Why post it? Anybody have some 1-of-a-kind zeenut short prints? He doesn't really send out cards or post a list. Still, he is a wealth of knowledge and a nice guy...though a dealer. As far as I'm concerned, it's enough to be a friendly guy who likes baseball cards. I would like to hear from Mark as to why he wants to rejoin. Something like...hey Mark, if you want back it, you're in (per the Rules), but the AC requests a short note as to why you'd like to rejoin...as you don't seem to be too active on the sending or receiving front. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Fellas -- Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal to admit Jimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he is a "trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Mostof the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but I thought this one sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark is a dealer and won't be active? My two cents" Take Care, Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 20:09:15 -0500 To: richard dingman From: Jleroux Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue I was surprised a bit by the monthly report and I'm particular Jimi being not voted in. Now to see a reason behind sort of frightens me. How someone acts previously in other trading groups while not being in OBC does matter in our application process, I would hope the answer was a little deeper thenjust he sold cards he traded for in the past. Is the point of ROAK to showmore of the culture of OBC, our traditions and to remind ourselves of thisas Slightly confused John Leroux > On Nov 11, 2013, at 7:22 PM, richard dingman wrote: > Well said Geno, thanks for passing the anonymous comments on. > As you know from our private conversation, I totally agree. > Keeping Jimi out because he sometimes will sell cards and then considering a dealer? > What's with that? Someone please square this circle for me because I don't get it. > Richard D > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue > Fellas -- > Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the directionof OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. ;I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal to admitJimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he is a"trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Mostof the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why hewas refused, but I thought this one sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. > "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buysomething from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark is a dealer and won't be active? My two cents" > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:11:09 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Membership note From somebody who emailed me and wanted to remain anonymous: Hi Geno, About Mark I pretty much agree with Richard (and like him I'm puzzled aboutJimi Mark is a friend of mine and a great source of hobby knowledge, but why does he want to be in this group? He's not going to comb through the guys' lists and send postwar cards out, is he? If I understood his reasons,I would probably be more favorably inclined. On the other hand, he would never create any problems for OBC so maybe it's no big deal. Re Jimi, I know him and he's a good guy, mostly into prewar, I thought, butso are some others in OBC. But concerning the stated reason he was rejected, I don't get it. I always assumed that trades with non-OBC members were like any trade: the cards I trade for are mine to do what I want with,and the cards I trade away belong to that new owner entirely. Almost all of us have flipped cards we got from non-OBC sources at some point. (Now if an actual member posts lists and gets tons of ships from the guys, and then sells them off - i.e. the Sackmann problem-- that's totally different.) I would like to see Jimi reconsidered if that's all anyone has against ================= To: "'Mac Wubben'" , Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:15:10 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Well, I'm the one that started all of this, so it is only fair that I chip in. I emailed him looking for a particular card, and asked why he was no longer a member. He explained that his accounts got hacked, likely around the time they sent out the Roll Call, so he missed it. He said he would like to get back in mostly for the group emails.....Dealer Scum stuff, Guru's Sewer Find, and stuff like that. Here's my take: -I like to have a guy like Mark in the group. He has forgotten more about baseball cards than I will ever know. And sometimes when a question about vintage was raised (especially PCL for us West Coasters) he would chip in with info. -No, he won't likely post a want list, and I doubt we could hit it anyways. -No, he doesn't send out cards randomly, but we have a lot of guys who don't do that very often for one reason or another. He is a dealer, he makes money off this stuff. Most of us don't. Personally, I LOSE money I think. -He does give (usually) a 20% discount to OBC'ers, and often eats the -He doesn't advertise cards for sale on the Ramblings/Wantlist Boards, at least none that I can recall . Correct me if I'm wrong here. So bottom line of my opinion is to let him back in. He sure doesn't bug From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mac Wubben Sent: November-11-13 4:38 PM To: Geno Wagner; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue I don't think there is a lot of choice in the matter. (member who left in good standing)..although I think both Greg and Mark might have to pay the One of the problems is that Mark's list is probably out of this world. Why post it? Anybody have some 1-of-a-kind zeenut short prints? He doesn't really send out cards or post a list. Still, he is a wealth of knowledge and a nice guy...though a dealer. As far as I'm concerned, it's enough to be a friendly guy who likes baseball cards. I would like to hear from Mark as to why he wants to rejoin. Something like...hey Mark, if you want back it, you're in (per the Rules), but the AC requests a short note as to why you'd like to rejoin...as you don't seem to be too active on the sending or receiving front. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Fellas -- Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal to admit Jimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he is a "trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Most of the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but I thought this one sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark is a dealer and won't be active? My two cents" Take Care, No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6827 - Release Date: 11/11/13 ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:41:48 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: Jimi thayer discussion first of all I would like to say that I agree with the un-named emailer andwould like to ask if their is any way we can have Jimi's application revisitied. I was one of the first to put in writing on the application page that jimi sometimes sells his cards to support his addiction to this crazy hobby we all love. I just wanted to make sure folks knew of this, I did not intend anything bad about this. I don't feel his selling cards makes him a dealer, and I hope that my words in no way put that idea into anyones head. I am confused on the reason why he was denied. I am not sure what the rules are about asking the OBC board to state their reasons for voting the way that they did but I would be very curious as to the reasons because I could see no negative responses on the page. maybe they had enough people email them with negative reasons and if this is the case then I would have to respect that. my wooden nickels worth and thanks for reading. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:57:33 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jimi thayer discussion John -- You are certainly entitled to ask the board why they voted as they did. It's pretty much as I described, the AC chose to reject him since he wasa perceived to be a "trader" and a "seller" and not a RAOK kind of guy. That's essentially what it boiled down to. The biggest strike was that he sells cards that people send him. I don't have any substantiation of that, but some of the guys who voted "No" stated that was the case. For complete disclosure, I have some cards for auction on N54 right now. A real nice 1959 Billy Martin with a few more=E2=A6ends in about an hour. I know some guys in OBC are on N54, so I wanted to make sure folks knew I sell cards at times to buy T205/T206 cards I need. I do not sell OBC cards, although I have traded them. I am trying to be neutral on this subject, as I am sending these emails as the OBC-AC Facilitator. I am only soliciting opinions. Some of you already know my opinions through personal emails, but I will not send them out on the servers, since I believe it to be a conflict of interest. However, I wanted to let you know that I trade and sell cards on N54,while sending out cards in OBC as well. Take Care, > From: John Dahms >To: OBC ramblings >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:41 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Jimi thayer discussion >first of all I would like to say that I agree with the un-named emailer and would like to ask if their is any way we can have Jimi's application revisitied. >I was one of the first to put in writing on the application page that jimisometimes sells his cards to support his addiction to this crazy hobby we all love. I just wanted to make sure folks knew of this, I did not intend anything bad about this. I don't feel his selling cards makes him a dealer, and I hope that my words in no way put that idea into anyones head. >I am confused on the reason why he was denied. I am not sure what the rules are about asking the OBC board to state their reasons for voting the way that they did but I would be very curious as to the reasons because Icould see no negative responses on the page. maybe they had enough people email them with negative reasons and if this is the case then I wouldhave to respect that. >my wooden nickels worth and thanks for reading. >John Dahms >3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 >Jackson, MI >I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. >http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 22:00:27 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Don Rice Subject: Jimi Thayer, Selling, Trading, Buying, and RAOKs Hey Guys, I don't generally chime in on these discussions, as my nature is to stand quietly in the shadows. But I, too, was surprised to see Jimi Thayer turned down. When the Ramblings discussion turned to the selling of cards, I felt compelled to offer some thoughts. I don't think there is a black and white distinction between buying, selling, trading, and random acts of kindness. To be clear, I fully endorse OBC being centered around RAOKs. That's what we are. It's what makes this group special. But there's "a lot of hobby" out there, and most of us do a little of at least 2 or 3, if not all four of those activities. And that should be okay. I have a pretty large collection, and I buy and sell all the time. I did this before OBC, and I continue to do it today. This allows me to keep expanding my collection without going broke. But I also love trading, as well as sending cards out at random. I love getting OBC envelopes, and I love sending out both return fire and RAOKs. That's one of the most rewarding parts of this hobby. I'd estimate that less than 1% of my collection has come from OBC, and I have never knowingly sold an OBC item on eBay or elsewhere. But yes, I am very active on eBay, and have been for 15+ years (but I emphasize, I am NOT a dealer! It's all for hobby turnover). To my knowledge, this has never been a problem for anyone (and I would sincerely hope it wouldn't be). But it's obvious that some folks want OBC to be strictly a RAOK group, one that excludes at least two of the facets I mentioned earlier (trading and selling). I personally don't think this is realistic. Buying, selling, trading, and RAOKs are /all /compatible with the OBC spirit. Throw away the price guides, send stuff out, and hopefully get the occasional envelope in the mailbox! As for selling, common sense should rule. I think we all agree it would be unethical and intolerable if anyone used OBC as a "card source" for sales , but I'm not aware of this occurring. As long as someone isn't actively taking in OBC material for quick turnaround for a buck, I have no problem with anyone selling anything. After all, I sent it to you; it's now yours. And realistically, is anyone going to make even a buck off of a Tipton Mint-10 item? :-) As for "trading"... that's a loosely applied term. It can be argued that even RAOKs are, in effect, a form of trade. After all, don't most of us at least /try /to send return fire? That, my friends, is a trade. To exclude someone for "trading" seems a bit crazy. Yeah, I'd be annoyed if someone pulled out a price guide and started doing calculations on an OBC exchange. But justice would be swift as I would cross that person off my "trader" list. Oops, I said it. Trader. That price guide approach is not a viable survival strategy in OBC world. Group culture would winnow those elements out fairly quickly! Yay! So yeah, let's keep the OBC spirit alive, and predicated upon fun, camaraderie, and RAOKs. But I think we are heading the wrong way if we start being overly exclusionary and perhaps a bit prejudicial when one of us, or a new applicant, sells a bit, trades a bit, or generally doesn't conform 100% to whatever specific criteria each of us may hold /individually/. Honestly, if I were a new applicant today, I am not certain I would pass muster. That concerns me. Yikes. This is why I don't usually ramble! Awaiting my pink slip. (Hopefully not!) :-) ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 11:02:40 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report Just to be clear, I'm not saying that the idea is bad, I just don't think its currently workable given the range of ways that OBCers maintain their wantlists. Mine, for example, would not be compatible. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Glenn Codere To: Geno Wagner ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report Surely in order to do that everyone's wantlists would have to be in the same format and/or sortable. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 6:33 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report Oops=E2=A6wrong server. Trying again... ----- Forwarded Message ----- >From: Geno Wagner >To: OBC AC >Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 11:33 AM >Subject: Fw: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report >Rob -- >I like your suggestion=E2=A6throwing it out the Rambling server! >Take Care, >----- Forwarded Message ----- >>From: Rob Bessette >>To: Geno Wagner >>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:49 AM >>Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] Nov AC Report >>Hey Geno, one thought that I had for the website would organize things quite nicely, but I don't know if it's do-able. >>When looking for need lists I just navigate through "who collects what" and am brought to their need page. >>Where things get tough for me is if I have a large pile of 1970 Topps andwant to send out to some OBCers I have trouble finding what people need. >>Basically what I'm saying is, would it be possible for me to search 1970 Topps and then everyone who collects it would come up. But ONLY they're 1970 Topps needs. That way I can quickly scroll through everyone'slist for that particular set and don't have to click in and out of different members pages. >>Just a quick thought. I'm fine with the site as is, but figured I'dput in my two cents. >>Let me know if that makes sense. >>On Nov 11, 2013, at 12:35 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: >>>Fellas -- >>>The AC had a few topics this to mull over this month, so here's the rundown: >>>1) Joe Isaac resigned as Facilitator, so I stepped into that role. Rich Niessen moved into my role as a voting member. >>>2) Jimi Thayer's application was rejected by a vote of 4-2. >>>3) Greg Buscemi was readmitted, but a vote of 7-0. >>>4) By a vote of 7-0, the AC has approved Wayne Delia and his son to revamp the OBC website. According to Wayne's soon, who will be working this for free as part of a college project, "1990 called and wanted their website >>>As part of the web redesign, we'd like any ideas you have so that Wayne can put them in the "nice to have" or "need to have" pile. Please bring up ideas on Ramblings. >>>That's pretty much it! >>>Your OBC-AC is Geordie Calvert, Tom Housley, Ken Morganti, Rich Niessen,John Stamper, George Vrechek, Geno Wagner, and Mac Wubben. >>>Take Care, ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 03:51:05 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC , Don From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jimi Thayer, Selling, Trading, Buying, and Wow, when I opened my email to see 52 messages from OBC, I assumed it was going to be a lot of Veteran's Day thanks!
I want to make sure that we do Thank our millions of Vets and Celebrate this very important day!
I also want to comment on the comments, but ever so briefly.

Don, you really hit the mark, if I wanted to state *my * opinion, I could copy and paste most of your note ;)

Let Jimi and Mark in. Passionate hobbyists qualify for OBC in my opinion.
None of us can take this cardboard with us where we are going. Let's enjoy them however we choose along the way.
As I sign each time,
OBC Forever
Brian

Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App on my iPAD
================= To: Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:17:04 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Website suggestions This is a great opportunity to get some technical assistance on the website design. Geno suggested that we post any thoughts on the ramblings server. . The one idea I have been pushing is to have the individual option of including small portrait photos on the directory page, so we'd have a clue of what each of us looks like. . I also like the idea of meta tags(?) that would draw people to the site who are searching for like-minded characters. . There are probably some search functions that would help us find who needs what and who might have dups available. Our current search function doesn't drill down to wantlists. . We could search for members from California or Illinois, for . It would be neat if the library page had little blurbs and a representative photo for each listing so you could drill down to the article for "more" - sort of like an online newspaper by category. Same thing would make sense for our dealer listing. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 01:20:49 -0500 (EST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Story time, so get a quick bite to eat if you intend to read further... First of all, I originally voted to let Jimi in - I voted almost as soon as the application came up on the website, mostly on name recognition... as a few people had thanked him on the OBC servers in the past (but that's another issue). His application looked good to me and I'd welcome any active TRADER, even if they don't have anything on my list... which sadly is a huge percentage, but I digress (I'm trying very hard not to go off on a bunch of tangents here. It's not easy). However, a couple things made me take a second look at the application after some comments came in, with a couple "not entirely positive". I'm not calling them negative, but the way they were worded left a bad taste in my mouth from an experience I had years ago with a "trader" who was allowed in the group before the days of the AC... :::cue the wavy flashback lines::: The person who was let in owned a store front - a store that was within walking distance of another OBC'er who was also in the group at the time. Now I'm not sure if I knew this or not before I sent my "welcome package", but now that I think back, I probably did thinking "hey, this guy has a whole store full of cards to choose from to find stuff to send back, if he so chooses". Well, I did get a package back in return, but I might've been better off if he sent nothing back at all. He priced out my entire package according to condition and then sent back a small percentage of whatever figure he came up with in cards that he also overgraded and therefore overpriced - he made sure he made out in the deal. What made it worse is that those cards could now be sold to that OBC'er around the corner (since they both had similar wantlists being from the same area), when I would've sent the cards to him for nothing - and got a heckuva lot more appreciation for it than just... well, I don't think I ever even got a thank you out of him. I also heard about another member at the time who had an even bigger 'trade' with him with similar and even more disappointing results. One of the cards I 'traded' for was the 1967 #1 card. It was in decent shape, but when another one in slightly lesser condition arrived in the mail a couple days later with no strings attached, which do you think I kept? The one sent with good intentions and not the one sent for simply turning a profit. Flash forward to Jimi's application. One or more of the comments made was that he tries to get the better end of the deal - something that is NOT part of what this group is about. I will not tolerate anyone coming in just trying to take advantage of our generosity. It just happened to remind me of the aforementioned story. Now don't get me wrong. I'm not opposed to trading. One of the ironies about the application process is that you have to make a few 'trades' with OBC'ers to get into a group that isn't centered around conventional trading. Send what you can and give thanks for what you get - simple philosophy, but it's lost on the typical collector IMHO. I don't think you should just go off sending out Mantles and Ryan rookies at random - but it happens in this group and that's what makes it so special. If you want something for your expensive cards, then by all means propose a trade - however I don't think you should have to entertain any offers of off grade commons for your stars. The servers have messages with people posting lists of TRADE bait. I have no problem with that. When I look at an application, I try to consider whether the applicant will "get it" with this group, even if not at first, but if they'll figure it out. Please read on for what I mean... Now I don't have any first hand trading experience with Jimi, so I have to rely on reports from the people in the other groups he's in and who have traded with him. Just a couple reports were enough bad vibes for me to change my vote. Did I see him as a person who would be sending out ROAK if he was in the group to give everyone the short end of the stick in his everyday dealings with the group? The answer is no. Plus, I didn't want anyone going through even a remotely similar experience like the one I went through above, even if mine may have been an extreme (but I know it was not an isolated) case. Reports that I rejected him for selling cards given to him would be false. Like others have said, once the package leaves the house, it's yours to do with as you please. I would *hope* that you'd appreciate the cards I sent, add them to your collection and send out a grotesque amount of unbridled thanks... or something like that. But if you upgrade down the road or [stuff] hits the fan and you need to sell them, that's fine too. For the record, I've sold a lot of my nicer duplicate sets over the past year. Most of them were paid for with my own money, but there were cards in there that were sent to me by OBC. I still have the lower grade sets - mostly because they wouldn't make as much money, but also because a larger percentage of the cards came from you guys. This isn't something I take lightly and it was an agonizing decision to make, but one that had to be made. In my defense, I needed the money to pay for my bankruptcy and impending divorce (two subjects that are for a much, much longer ramble in the distant future - although I will answer any questions/concerns anyone has now privately). So to be saying I have something against people in the group selling cards would be I hope this long dissertation answers any questions on why I 're-voted' the way I did. Now to touch upon the Mark McRae application briefly - the ROC states that a member in good standing can be readmitted, so there's really no argument there. He's not going to post a list, but even if he did I'd have a better shot at hitting Powerball than finding a card on it. He's not going to send out ROAK's and is just in the group for the e-mail discussions (probably not THIS one however), even though it is very rare for him to chime in on one. I can live with that. His heart's in the right place. OK, it's way past my bed time and I've written more than enough for one day. If you've read this far, congratulations! .. and thanks for letting me vent a little and perhaps educate some a little too. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:48:22 -0800 (PST) To: richard dingman , From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Hey richard, I read your post and wanted to respond to you directly (and the group) maybe I am being a bit over sensitive on this and if Iam I apologize but seeing as though I was one of the first to write in about Jimi selling cards I kind of feel that my words were taken out of context. I just wanted to say that in no way what so ever did I mean that Jimi selling cards would make him a dealer. and in no way was I putting my thoughts to keep him from getting voted into our group. I just wanted to point out that some of the guys in the group might have a problem with him if he started selling cards that they gave him. maybe I am overblowing this but I felt I should at least send something outbecause Jimi and I have been trading cards since I started this online thing and have become great trading freinds and I feel very bad if my commentswere taken wrong. I, like you, when learning of the decision of the OBC board went to read the comments and I was very confused as well. I was planning on reaching out to Rich Neissan and asking his thoughts but the email from you came accross so I thought I would respond. sorry if this came across as a rant, it wasnt meant too. and thanks for letting me vent. be well my freind John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ From: richard dingman To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Well said Geno, thanks for passing the anonymous comments on. As you know from our private conversation, I totally agree. Keeping Jimi out because he sometimes will sell cards and then considering a What's with that? Someone please square this circle for me because I don't get it. Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 16:16:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Fellas -- Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of the refusal toadmit Jimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not admitted because he is a "trader" and a few people said he has sold cards that he was traded. Most of the comments on Thayer were positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but I thought this one sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what the feeling is in OBC. "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a "trader" and would have been active and Mark isa dealer and won't be active? My two cents" Take Care, ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:52:37 -0500 To: George Vrechek From: Jleroux Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website suggestions Is it at all possible to write up a code to type in a certain card I have such as Bowman 1954 #24 and when I hit enter be given a list of who needs that card that utilized the OBC version of the wantlist ? To add to this ideayou would need a drop down box for basketball, baseball, football and hockey so that you can be sure you have the right sport. It would also be good to have a calendar section for things such as birthdays, and card shows in different areas listed. > On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:17 PM, "George Vrechek" wrote: > This is a great opportunity to get some technical assistance on the website design. Geno suggested that we post any thoughts on the ramblings server. > =B7 The one idea I have been pushing is to have the individualoption of including small portrait photos on the directory page, so we=E2=99d have a clue of what each of us looks like. > =B7 I also like the idea of meta tags(?) that would draw people to the site who are searching for like-minded characters. > =B7 There are probably some search functions that would help us find who needs what and who might have dups available. Our current searchfunction doesn=E2=99t drill down to wantlists. > =B7 We could search for members from California or Illinois, for > =B7 It would be nea t if the library page had little blurbs and a representative photo for each listing so you could drill down to the article for =E2=9Cmore=E2=9D =E2=93 sort of like an online newspaperby category. Same thing would make sense for our dealer listing. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 05:18:33 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: More web ideas What would OBCers think of adding a page that lists wantlists with 5 cards or less to go? Perhaps we could give users a facility in their profile where they could entera set name/year, and up to 5 card numbers for let's say up to five different sets (so that it doesn't get too unwieldy). This would be self-edited within the individual's profile page. Some sort of searchfacility might then be incorporated to allow users to instantly list who is close to what, and perhaps to filter those results. I think that would bevery useful for trying to help a fellowOBCer kill a set. I also support George's idea for adding photos to profiles. Could be quite a Rogues Gallery!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: , Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:45:02 +0000 From: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Website suggestions ================= To: , Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:47:44 +0000 From: Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] More web ideas If you are suggesting to add something like the "who collects what" that isa great idea. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Codere Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:19 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] More web ideas What would OBCers think of adding a page that lists wantlists with 5 cards or less to go? Perhaps we could give users a facility in their profile where they could enter a set name/year, and up to 5 card numbers for let's say up to five different sets (so that it doesn't get too unwieldy). This wouldbe self-edited within the individual's profile page. Some sort of search facility might then be incorporated to allow users to instantly list who is close to what, and perhaps to filter those results. I think that would be very useful for trying to help a fellow OBCer kill a set. I also support George's idea for adding photos to profiles. Could be quite a Rogues Gallery!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 06:53:35 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More web ideas Yes, just drilling down a bit more so that you can instantly find out who is very close on certain sets. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "anthony.arbeeny@hyatt.com" To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 2:47 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] More web ideas If you are suggesting to add something like the =E2=9Cwho collects what=E2=9D that is a great idea. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Codere Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 8:19 AM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] More web ideas What would OBCers think of adding a page that lists wantlists with 5 cards or less to go? Perhaps we could give users a facility in their profile where they could entera set name/year, and up to 5 card numbers for let'ssay up to five different sets (so that it doesn't get too unwieldy). This would be self-edited within the individual's profile page. Some sort of search facility might then be incorporated to allow users to instantly list who is close to what, and perhaps to filter those results. I think that wouldbe very useful for trying to help a fellowOBCer kill a set. I also support George's idea for adding photos to profiles. Could be quite a Rogues Gallery!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 09:12:21 -0600 To: OBCRamblings From: john harrell Subject: Re: Jimi thayer discussion I don't think there is a written rule about this but a major concern would be if you sold the cards that were sent to you by an OBC member as an ROAK. This has come up a few times before but it has been a while, probably 10 years or more. That would prompt a negative vote from me. I've sold a few cards over the years but never anything sent to me from an OBCer as an RAOK. I don't think there is anything wrong with selling cards per se to support your addiction. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:58:51 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I think Bama gets right to the heart of the matter here - the potential forselling on cards sent by OBCers. If this was the predominent reason for rejection of this candidate, could the AC advise on whether this was communicated to Jimi Thayer and if he had an opportunity to respond? If so, was the response one that confirmed that potential and therefore merited If not, is there scope to contact the candidate to inform him directly of the concerns raised, and ask for his response with a view to potentially re-polling his application in the event of a positive response? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: john harrell To: OBCRamblings Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I don't think there is a written rule about this but a major concern would be if you sold the cards that were sent to you by an OBC member as an ROAK. This has come up a few times before but it has been a while, probably 10 years or more. That would prompt a negative vote from me. I've sold a few cards over the years but never anything sent to me from an OBCer as an RAOK. I don't think there is anything wrong with selling cards per se to support your addiction. ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:11:49 -0500 (EST) To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, dkrice@nycap.rr.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Jimi Thayer, Selling, Trading, Buying, and RAOKs Content-Language: en I.ve been inactive for awhile but my 2 cents worth is,,,,when I send cards cards out they become his or her cards to do as they see fit for their collection, and I sure in hwll am not going to write them down so I know ifhe sold them, In my case the only cards I've ever sold were about 15 Gale Sayers Philadelphia Gum Rookie cards to Kurt for the first and last card in the 54 or 55 set where Ted williams was what I received. I guess some would say that trading others not. I guess that if someone sold my cards I wouldn't know because Just don't know because my activity to my collection is get them organized so i dont have dups so much. Most of my cards have come from my youth (lets say before way before OBC but after the cavemen chiseled them into stones,) but i have received cards from you guys, What i've done is replace them in my folders because in most cases they are the better looking cards. Lately i havents, receive as much as I am down to 52 high number and the Jello if short prints and football cardscards kind of put the reach out of receiving but when someone post a thanks I look to seeif i can help out, Again not out to be a nice guy less cards to have to deal with that i dont need. This is my pet peeve more that anything and could be construed as a website want. it doesn't happen often but it does happen is the thanks we dont get. As those who know me knows I went to school in the era of number two pencils and 2 cent stamps so to say I am computer illiterate is grossly unstated. I know how to get to my card lists, ebay, and few other sites that sell cards...I dont need anything else. so when you send out the thanks i have never figured out w here that group site on OBC thanks sends them if you send it out that way. Also i dont care if I am thanks as much as to know that the person getting the cards got them are in the bin at the post office saying i gt your cards not them. This letter has taken me 45 minutes to type so i dont waste the rest of your day I will end it by saying thanks you for the rant In a message dated 11/11/2013 9:51:09 P.M. Central Standard Time, _familytoad@comcast.net_ (mailto:familytoad@comcast.net) writes: Wow, when I opened my email to see 52 messages from OBC, I assumed it was going to be a lot of Veteran's Day thanks! I want to make sure that we do Thank our millions of Vets and Celebrate this very important day! I also want to comment on the comments, but ever so briefly. Don, you really hit the mark, if I wanted to state *my * opinion, I could copy and paste most of your note ;) Let Jimi and Mark in. Passionate hobbyists qualify for OBC in my opinion. None of us can take this cardboard with us where we are going. Let's enjoy them however we choose along the way. As I sign each time, OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App on my iPAD ----- Original Message ----- From: dkrice@nycap.rr.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent:Tue Nov 12 03:00:33 UTC 2013 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Jimi Thayer, Selling, Trading, Buying, and RAOKs Hey Guys, I don't generally chime in on these discussions, as my nature is to stand quietly in the shadows. But I, too, was surprised to see Jimi Thayer turned down. When the Ramblings discussion turned to the selling of cards, I felt compelled to offer some thoughts. I don't think there is a black and white distinction between buying, selling, trading, and random acts of kindness. To be clear, I fully endorse OBC being centered around RAOKs. That's what we are. It's what makes this group special. But there's "a lot of hobby" out there, and most of us do a little of at least 2 or 3, if not all four of those activities. And that should be okay. I have a pretty large collection, and I buy and sell all the time. I did this before OBC, and I continue to do it today. This allows me to keep expanding my collection without going broke. But I also love trading, as well sending cards out at random. I love getting OBC envelopes, and I love sending out both return fire and RAOKs. That's one of the most rewarding parts of this hobby. I'd estimate that less than 1% of my collection has come from OBC, and I have never knowingly sold an OBC item on eBay or elsewhere. But yes, I am very active on eBay, and have been for 15+ years (but I emphasize, I am NOT a dealer! It's all for hobby turnover). To my knowledge, has never been a problem for anyone (and I would sincerely hope it wouldn't be). But it's obvious that some folks want OBC to be strictly a RAOK group, one that excludes at least two of the facets I mentioned earlier (trading and selling). I personally don't think this is realistic. Buying, selling, trading, and RAOKs are all compatible with the OBC spirit. Throw away the price guides, send stuff out, and hopefully get the occasional envelope in the mailbox! As for selling, common sense should rule. I think we all agree it would be unethical and intolerable if anyone used OBC as a "card source" for sales , but I'm not aware of this occurring. As long as someone actively taking in OBC material for quick turnaround for a buck, I have no problem with anyone selling anything. After all, I sent it to you; it's now yours. And realistically, is anyone going to make even a buck off of a Tipton Mint-10 item? :-) As for "trading"... that's a loosely applied term. It can be argued that even RAOKs are, in effect, a form of trade. After all, don't most of us at least try to send return fire? That, my friends, is a trade. To exclude someone for "trading" seems a bit crazy. Yeah, I'd be annoyed if someone pulled out a price guide and started doing calculations on an OBC exchange.But justice would be swift as I would cross that person off my "trader" list. Oops, I said it. Trader. That price guide approach is not a viable survival strategy in OBC world. Group culture would winnow those elements out fairly quickly! Yay! So yeah, let's keep the OBC spirit alive, and predicated upon fun, camaraderie, and RAOKs. But I think we are heading the wrong way if we start overly exclusionary and perhaps a bit prejudicial when one of us, or a new applicant, sells a bit, trades a bit, or generally doesn't conform 100% to whatever specific criteria each of us may hold individually. Honestly, if I were a new applicant today, I am not certain I would pass muster. That concerns me. Yikes. This is why I don't usually ramble! Awaiting my pink slip. (Hopefully not!) :-) ================= To: "Glenn Codere" ,"OBC Ramblings" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:17:51 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion ================= To: OBCRamblings Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:42:53 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: This may ruffle a few feathers... ... and I struggled with whether or not to even write this. I'm sorry, but can someone who has a problem with a recipient of an RAOK selling that card(s) he received explain to me why you have a problem with that? I'm curious as to how you would see that as different than selling a card you received in a trade. If it is a true RAOK, then it is essentially a gift, isn't it? And if it truly is a gift, then the recipient can do with it as he pleases. If there isa stipulation to that gift (such as not selling it), then it really is nota gift at all, is it? More akin to a trade or an understood contract (since there is an obligation put on the recipient). As you can probably tell from above, I don't have a problem if I send someone an RAOK if they sell it. If it happens once in a while, so be it. If it is a constant thing from the same recipient, then my RAOKs will be finding a new home (or I'll sell them myself). Things seem to work themselves out. Personally, I have more of an issue with the following: A ) People who always seem to be RAOK recipients and never RAOK senders. I'm not expecting to receive anything in return (unless, obviously, it's a trade), but I see cases where nothing or very little gets "paid forward" by some. B ) People who don't acknowledge a RAOK. Public thanks? I couldn't care less. But if someone takes the time and effort to send you something, at leastlet them know it arrived. (Yes, I know I don't send out or CC personal emails myself, but I at least send it to the group) C ) Worse that A or B above, is those that fall under both A AND B. D ) I wonder about the point of having someone in the group if they aren't active. Sorry, but this one I don't get at all. When I'm poking around and I find someone who hasn't updated their want list in close to 2 years, I usually don't go any further than that. (and I'm talking lists here that I CAN hit). So why you even consider admitting (or readmitting) someone who won't be active and you know won't participate in RAOK? Or maybe I should have just kept quiet... ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:55:51 -0500 (EST) To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com From: bskp1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] This may ruffle a few feathers... Content-Language: en Taylor, I completely agree with you. I have been an OBC member for only a year and, with one exception (a trade), I have participated in OBC only via the RAOK route. In fact, I've never sold a card in my life. And, while the RAOK custom is fantastic, and trading, buying and selling discouraged, my perception is there is quite a lot of that going on anyway. In a message dated 11/12/2013 11:42:57 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com writes: ... and I struggled with whether or not to even write this. I'm sorry, but can someone who has a problem with a recipient of an RAOK selling that card(s) he received explain to me why you have a problem with that? I'm curious as to how you would see that as different than selling a card you received in a trade. If it is a true RAOK, then it is essentially a gift, isn't it? And if it truly is a gift, then the recipient can do with it as he pleases. If there is a stipulation to that gift (such as not selling it), then it really is not a gift at all, is it? More akin to a trade or an understood contract (since there is an obligation put on the recipient). As you can probably tell from above, I don't have a problem if I send someone an RAOK if they sell it. If it happens once in a while, so be it. If is a constant thing from the same recipient, then my RAOKs will be finding a new home (or I'll sell them myself). Things seem to work themselve s out. Personally, I have more of an issue with the following: A ) People who always seem to be RAOK recipients and never RAOK senders. I'm not expecting to receive anything in return (unless, obviously, it's a trade), but I see cases where nothing or very little gets "paid forward" by B ) People who don't acknowledge a RAOK. Public thanks? I couldn't care less. But if someone takes the time and effort to send you something, at least let them know it arrived. (Yes, I know I don't send out or CC personal emails myself, but I at least send it to the group) C ) Worse that A or B above, is those that fall under both A AND B. D ) I wonder about the point of having someone in the group if they aren't active. Sorry, but this one I don't get at all. When I'm poking around and I find someone who hasn't updated their want list in close to 2 years, I usually don't go any further than that. (and I'm talking lists here that I CAN hit). So why you even conside r admitting (or readmitting) someone who won't be active and you know won't participate in RAOK? Or maybe I should have just kept quiet... ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 12:44:28 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion In light of all the emails, will the AC re-open their discussion to see if there might be a newer, or more explicit, understanding of Jimi's situation? To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:17:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion Glenn -- To answer your question, he was not contacted by the AC until he was rejected, at least that I'm aware of. If somebody sent a personal note, I am notaware of it. Tom sent him an email after the vote, and I sent him a personal note after that. Take Care, Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Glenn Codere Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:58:51 -0800 (PST)To: OBC RamblingsReplyTo: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I think Bama gets right to the heart of the matter here - the potential for selling on cards sent by OBCers. If this was the predominent reason for rejection of this candidate, could the AC advise on whether this was communicated to Jimi Thayer and if he had an opportunity to respond? If so, was the response one that confirmed that potential and therefore merited If not, is there scope to contact the candidate to inform him directly of the concerns raised, and ask for his response with a view to potentially re-polling his application in the event of a positive response? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: john harrell To: OBCRamblings Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I don't think there is a written rule about this but a major concern would be if you sold the cards that were sent to you by an OBC member as an ROAK.This has come up a few times before but it has been a while, probably 10 years or more. That would prompt a negative vote from me. I've sold a fewcards over the years but never anything sent to me from an OBCer as an RAOK. I don't think there is anything wrong with selling cards per se to support your addiction.Bama ================= Date: 12 Nov 2013 10:03:01 -0800 To: From: Subject: Macrae and Thayer ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:19:08 -0800 To: richard dingman From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion As much as we discuss and even if we reopen this would you want to be apartof a group that already rejected you? I think we lost the spirit of the group on this one and next time we hold someones fate in our hands maybe we go as far as needed to determine if they are good for the group or not. AndI'm with Taylor I think everyone should look at themselves at what Raok means to them cause we clearly have some different definitions. Sent from my iPad > On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:44 AM, richard dingman wrote: > Geno, > In light of all the emails, will the AC re-open their discussion to see if there might be a newer, or more explicit, understanding of Jimi's situation? > Richard > To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:17:51 +0000 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion > Glenn -- > To answer your question, he was not contacted by the AC until he was rejected, at least that I'm aware of. If somebody sent a personal note, I am not aware of it. Tom sent him an email after the vote, and I sent him a personal note after that. > Take Care, > Geno > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > From: Glenn Codere > Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:58:51 -0800 (PST) > To: OBC Ramblings > ReplyTo: Glenn Codere > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion > I think Bama gets right to the heart of the matter here - the potential for selling on cards sent by OBCers. > If this was the predominent reason for rejection of this candidate, couldthe AC advise on whether this was communicated to Jimi Thayer and if he had an opportunity to respond? > If so, was the response one that confirmed that potential and therefore merited > If not, is there scope to contact the candidate to inform him directly ofthe concerns raised, and ask for his response with a view to potentially re-polling his application in the event of a positive response? > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: john harrell > To: OBCRamblings > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:12 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion > I don't think there is a written rule about this but a major concern would be if you sold the cards that were sent to you by an OBC member as an ROAK. This has come up a few times before but it has been a while, probably 10 years or more. That would prompt a negative vote from me. I've sold a few cards over the years but never anything sent to me from an OBCer as an RAOK. I don't think there is anything wrong with selling cards per se to support your addiction. > Bama ================= To: "richard dingman" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:33:37 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion ================= To: "rick.lyons22@yahoo.com" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:39:17 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I guess it would be up to Jimi if he would want to re-apply, and I would let him make that decision. I'm not holding the AC at fault for improperly handling Jimi's application,either. I suspect that these issues were bound to arise sooner or later and Jimi was just the impetus for them. Nothing personal about Jimi, but now that stuff is being discussed, with several interesting views one way and another, it seems to be the time to tryto reach, or re-state, some clarity about how the group feels 1) RAOK - what are they really, and appropriately responding to them, 2) selling cards you may have gotten from another OBCer, possibly through RAOK, 3) the absolute necessity of maintaining a webpage (not a Jimi issue, but a Mark issue), and being at least minimally active as far as sending cardboard around, 4) the importance of acknowledging receipt of cards with thanks, 5) the acceptability of trades between members, etc... Good discussions so far, I hope they continue. CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: brightair@msn.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:19:08 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion As much as we discuss and even if we reopen this would you want to beapart of a group that already rejected you? I think we lost the spirit of the group on this one and next time we hold someones fate in our hands maybe we go as far as needed to determine if they are good for the group or not. And I'm with Taylor I think everyone should look at themselves at what Raok means to them cause we clearly have some different definitions. Sent from my iPad On Nov 12, 2013, at 9:44 AM, richard dingman wrote: In light of all the emails, will the AC re-open their discussion to see if there might be a newer, or more explicit, understanding of Jimi's situation? To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 16:17:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion Glenn -- To answer your question, he was not contacted by the AC until he was rejected, at least that I'm aware of. If somebody sent a personal note, I am notaware of it. Tom sent him an email after the vote, and I sent him a personal note after that. Take Care, Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: Glenn Codere Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 07:58:51 -0800 (PST)To: OBC RamblingsReplyTo: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I think Bama gets right to the heart of the matter here - the potential forselling on cards sent by OBCers. If this was the predominent reason for rejection of this candidate, could the AC advise on whether this was communicated to Jimi Thayer and if he had an opportunity to respond? If so, was the response one that confirmed that potential and therefore merited If not, is there scope to contact the candidate to inform him directly of the concerns raised, and ask for his response with a view to potentially re-polling his application in the event of a positive response? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: john harrell To: OBCRamblings Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 3:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Jimi thayer discussion I don't think there is a written rule about this but a major concern would be if you sold the cards that were sent to you by an OBC member as an ROAK.This has come up a few times before but it has been a while, probably 10 years or more. That would prompt a negative vote from me. I've sold a fewcards over the years but never anything sent to me from an OBCer as an RAOK. I don't think there is anything wrong with selling cards per se to support your addiction.Bama ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:43:30 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer Lots of discussion...some within OBCAC that hasn't been seen by everyone. have had good trades with Jimi and like him as well, but others had significant issues with him. In particular, some strongly felt that Jimi was more interested in the value that he got back...or "winning" a trade than just trying for something fair and agreeable. And others objected to the way he sold some cards that he recently traded for. OBCAC debated his case thoroughly...and for the first time that I can remember, a real collector was denied entry. I think people should respect the votes that were taken by the elected representatives within the OBCAC. It's was their (our) judgement that he isn't a good fit. That doesn't stop anyone from trading with him...or imply that he is a bad guy...just doesn't seem right for the group. At the end of the day, OBC is MORE than a trading group. There were at least two significantly negative comments directed at Jimi that specifically suggested that he would not live up to the standards of OBC. People electedto represent OBC decided that he would likely not get the spirit of OBC. Fine...some people may not agree with it. For the record, I voted for Jimi...but I think the outrage people are showing at his veto is bordering onridiculous. I voted yes, but 4 people whose opinions I value said no...time to move on. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:03:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer OK, I THOUGHT I posted this, but it's not showing up. So here goes for try #2. If it shows up twice, my apologies: I've tried to cool off about this, but this is my 2 cents about the Thayer (and Macrae) discussions. I'm not happy. Here goes. First, about Macrae: He may be the nicest guy in the world. He may have an unparalleled knowledge of cards. But let's consider a couple of things: 1) He doesn't post an on-line WL. That's a RULE from our ROC. To me, anyone who won't follow one of the rules has no business being a member. He can be a certified dealer - no problem .But to admit (or re-admit) someone who a) is not, and hasn't really been, active and b) doesn't abide by the most basic rules is wrong. Nothing against him; again he may be the nicest guy in the world - but based on what I've read in the last day, he belongs in the OBC certified dealer category, no in the active membership. EVERYONE needs to abide by ALL of our rules. Anyone without an on-line WL shouldn't be a member. Period. Now, about Thayer. Settle in, this might take a I voted for his admission. I'll freely admit that. Jimi is a nice guy and a model card collector. It seems like his version of collecting does not match up with some people's. However - it is NOT repeat - NOT against the rules of this club to sell cards. Nowhere - NOWHERE- in the ROC is there a ban on selling. Is it frowned upon? Of course. But there have been may exceptions - guys selling for hardship, which is understandable. So, bottom line, there is no rule against it. Want it to be against the rules? then propose that the AC amend the ROC. On the application page, a question is "...Are you a card dealer, or do you sell cards over the internet? (answering yes does not exclude you from consideration from OBC)". Look at that last phrase. DOES NOT EXCLUDE YOU FROM CONSIDERATION. Yes, Jimi has on occasion sold cards. He is also a very active trader in VCT and his other groups - TRADING groups. What's wrong with making a trade and wanting equal- or even better - value? Yes, he changes the focus of his collection often =96 who are we to determine how someone should collect cards? When Jimi applied to OBC, I sent him my standard "so you want to join OBC" e-mail (available on the AC Yahoo page, but available to anyone who wants to see it; just ask me), in which I clearly spelled out the differences between OBC and other groups, explaining the RAOK philosophy, and stressing trades aren't banned. Let me repeat that. TRADES WITHIN OUR GROUP ARE NOT BANNED. Nor should they be frowned upon. Yes, we PREFER to exchange via RAOK. But Jimi responded enthusiastically to my e-mail and understands the difference. If I felt Jimi - or any candidate - was trying to join our group in order to scam free cards in order to make a profit, I would vote "no" so fast my keyboard would smoke. But there is no way I feel he would do that. I've met the guy, I've traded with him in VCT. He understands that if he sends out RAOK he may not get something back. But let's say he sends someone something via RAOK and then might ask for return fire. All the recipient has to do is reply sayingit was RAOK, right? There's no obligation to send return fire - again, explained in my e-mail to Jimi. He read it & understands it. And, as others have stated, how did each of us get our foot in the door? By contacting OBC members and making small trades in order to build up goodwill and a reputation. Some against his membership have stated they had "bad experiences" with him. Define "bad". You didn't like the trade? Well, in OBC if someone approaches you for a swap - say no if you don't want to trade. How hard is that. If you arrange a trade with him & you aren't happy - if it's truly a bad experience and you can't remedy it with Jimi - report it to the AC. That's in the ROC, people. If he e-mails you & asks to trade? Ignore it. I've received e-mails frm guys who are currently in the active membership in OBC asking me to trade. I either politley tell them I have nothing for them if I can't trade - or I just ignore the e-mail. I wrote to Jimi yesterday informing him that the AC had turned down his request. He repliedto me in a very emotional e-mail. Frankly, he's hurt and doesn't understand what he's done wrong. I won't quote it here b/c I haven't asked his permission to so. And really, what has he done wrong? nothing. You don't like his approach? Well, you're not required to send him anything if you don't want to. Look, there were MANY positive comments about Jimi on his application - and in the many Rambles that have come across. But the negatives that may have influenced the "no" votes don't seem to be based on any concrete thing he's done wrong - just what he MIGHT do in the future. Fellas, that's wrong, in my opinion. And just so you know, he plans on re-applying (which he is allowed to do). I'm going to send him an e-mail asking him to clarify any potential misunderstanding regarding his possible membership, and - even though he shouldn't have to do it - re-assure those who might be against him how he will abide by our guidelines, not sell cards, etc. So, this whole debate may very well come up again. Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:47:44 -0800 (PST) To: "anthony.arbeeny@hyatt.com" , From: Patrick Prickett Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website suggestions Not sure if this fits, or is good idea or not, but I have done a bit ofresearch on the W572 set, and as part of that research I believe no one has ever completed this set, and don't believe anyone has ever seen photos of every card (in fact there are 2 cards that I cannot prove exist). So I have scoured every source I can find to get photos for every w572 cardto create a virtual set (I now haveall but a dozen of them). My thought was eventually to set up a site that would show what I have found, and allow others to send in the missing photos (if they ever stumble on them). So, while I am not advocating a virtual page for every set (especially NOT for sets where photos can be seen on Ebay everyday), but maybe we could setup a virtual section for sets that no one has ever assembled, and then share Again, not sure if this fits with what folks want to do. I may just do this on my own (in fact I am working on an article on this set that I hope to share soon). But I offer it as an idea to consider. On Tuesday, November 12, 2013 6:45 AM, "anthony.arbeeny@hyatt.com" Hello All, I can understand what the issue is and that is clearly something which is happening. I started in other groups with Jimi around the same time and we had similar lists back then. Jimi has changed his focus of card lists drastically about 6 times that I recall. I think he has started & stopped the 1970 topps set 4 different times. What he does is sell on Net54 the prewar stuff & ebay from what I can tell. He does provide a fair price which those cards will be bought from someone one way or another. I rather do it with a trader I know then a dealer. So, my take on it is that he dumps what he wants and starts something else right behind it. I feel that is something hard for others to do ;such as me; and I just add on to my list. The spirit of his passion is alive and welland that is why I voted to keep him in the group. I bet if he wanted to trade with most in the group it would happen smoothly. From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jleroux Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 7:53 AM To: George Vrechek Cc: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website suggestions Is it at all possible to write up a code to type in a certain card I have such as Bowman 1954 #24 and when I hit enter be given a list of who needs that card that utilized the OBC version of the wantlist ? To add to this ideayou would need a drop down box for basketball, baseball, football and hockey so that you can be sure you have the right sport. It would also be good to have a calendar section for things such as birthdays, and card shows in different areas listed. On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:17 PM, "George Vrechek" wrote: >This is a great opportunity to get some technical assistance on the website design. Geno suggested that we post any thoughts on the ramblings server. >=B7 The one idea I havebeen pushing is to have the individual option of including small portrait photos on the directory page, so we=E2=99d have a clue of what each of us looks like. >=B7 I also like the idea of meta tags(?) that would draw people to the site who are searching for like-minded >=B7 There are probably some search functions that would help us find who needs what and who might have dups available. Our current search function doesn=E2=99t drill downto >=B7 We could search formembers from California or Illinois, for example. >=B7 It would be nea t if the library page had little blurbs and a representative photo for each listing so you could drill down to the article for =E2=9Cmore=E2=9D =E2=93 sort of like an online newspaper by category. Same thing would make sense for our dealer listing. >George Vrechek The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of thismessage is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= To: Mac Wubben , "directorth@aol.com" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:59:58 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer Thanks for the input, very helpful. I happen to have the day off and so have more time than usual to hang around the internet - very distracting and consuming, I can tell you. Not sure I would recommend it for health reasons, but very compelling in any case. I've read all the comments so far and don't seem to find the outrage you refer to, more just questions about what happened and expressions of opinionsand requests for more clarity about OBC standards and expectations. In a diverse group this is not surprising. It would be surprising if we all somehow understood what OBC is and what it means in exactly the same ways. So there are naturally some assumptions we all tend to make that we don't all tend to share. And now and then it's helpful to re-state and clarify. For me, I'm not sure that Jimi being rejected will make any difference regarding my trading with him. I would expect that the reasons for his rejection were clearly explained to him with opportunity for response and possibleclarification of any possible misunderstandings. After that, I agree, thanks to the AC for their work and move on. But I hope we continue to discuss and possibly find more explicit communal understandings of just what a wonderfully unique group like OBC means. To: directorth@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcmac@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:43:30 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer Lots of discussion...some within OBCAC that hasn't been seen by everyone. have had good trades with Jimi and like him as well, but others had significant issues with him. In particular, some strongly felt that Jimi was more interested in the value that he got back...or "winning" a trade than just trying for something fair and agreeable. And others objected to the way he sold some cards that he recently traded for. OBCAC debated his case thoroughly...and for the first time that I can remember, a real collector was denied entry. I think people should respect the votes that were taken by the elected representatives within the OBCAC. It's was their (our) judgement that he isn't a good fit. That doesn't stop anyone from trading with him...or imply that he is a bad guy...just doesn't seem right for the group. At the end of the day, OBC is MORE than a trading group. There were at least two significantly negative comments directed at Jimi that specifically suggested that he would not live up to the standards of OBC. People electedto represent OBC decided that he would likely not get the spirit of OBC. Fine...some people may not agree with it. For the record, I voted for Jimi...but I think the outrage people are showing at his veto is bordering onridiculous. I voted yes, but 4 people whose opinions I value said no...time to move on. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:03:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer OK, I THOUGHT I posted this, but it's not showing up. So here goes for try #2. If it shows up twice, my apologies: I've tried to cool off about this, but this is my 2 cents about the Thayer (and Macrae) discussions. I'm not happy. Here goes. First, about Macrae: He may be the nicest guy in the world. He may have an unparalleled knowledge of cards. But let's consider a couple of things: 1) He doesn't post an on-line WL. That's a RULE from our ROC. To me, anyone who won't follow one of the rules has no business being a member. He can be a certified dealer - no problem .But to admit (or re-admit) someone who a) is not, and hasn't really been, active and b) doesn't abide by the most basic rules is wrong. Nothing against him; again he may be the nicest guy in the world - but based on what I've read in the last day, he belongs in the OBC certified dealer category, no in the active membership. EVERYONE needs to abide by ALL of our rules. Anyone without an on-line WL shouldn't be a member. Period. Now, about Thayer. Settle in, this might take a I voted for his admission. I'll freely admit that. Jimi is a nice guy and a model card collector. It seems like his version of collecting does not match up with some people's. However - it is NOT repeat - NOT against the rules of this club to sell cards. Nowhere - NOWHERE- in the ROC is there a ban on selling. Is it frowned upon? Of course. But there have been may exceptions - guys selling for hardship, which is understandable. So, bottom line, there is no rule against it. Want it to be against the rules? then propose that the AC amend the ROC. On the application page, a question is "...Are you a card dealer, or do you sell cards over the internet? (answering yes does not exclude you from consideration from OBC)". Look at that last phrase. DOES NOT EXCLUDE YOU FROM CONSIDERATION. Yes, Jimi has on occasion sold cards. He is also a very active trader in VCT and his other groups - TRADING groups. What's wrong with making a trade and wanting equal- or even better - value? Yes, he changes the focus of his collection often =96 who are we to determine how someone should collect cards? When Jimi applied to OBC, I sent him my standard "so you want to join OBC" e-mail (available on the AC Yahoo page, but available to anyone who wants to see it; just ask me), in which I clearly spelled out the differences between OBC and other groups, explaining the RAOK philosophy, and stressing trades aren't banned. Let me repeat that. TRADES WITHIN OUR GROUP ARE NOT BANNED. Nor should they be frowned upon. Yes, we PREFER to exchange via RAOK. But Jimi responded enthusiastically to my e-mail and understands the difference. If I felt Jimi - or any candidate - was trying to join our group in order to scam free cards in order to make a profit, I would vote "no" so fast my keyboard would smoke. But there is no way I feel he would do that. I've met the guy, I've traded with him in VCT. He understands that if he sends out RAOK he may not get something back. But let's say he sends someone something via RAOK and then might ask for return fire. All the recipient has to do is reply sayingit was RAOK, right? There's no obligation to send return fire - again, explained in my e-mail to Jimi. He read it & understands it. And, as others have stated, how did each of us get our foot in the door? By contacting OBC members and making small trades in order to build up goodwill and a reputation. Some against his membership have stated they had "bad experiences" with him. Define "bad". You didn't like the trade? Well, in OBC if someone approaches you for a swap - say no if you don't want to trade. How hard is that. If you arrange a trade with him & you aren't happy - if it's truly a bad experience and you can't remedy it with Jimi - report it to the AC. That's in the ROC, people. If he e-mails you & asks to trade? Ignore it. I've received e-mails frm guys who are currently in the active membership in OBC asking me to trade. I either politley tell them I have nothing for them if I can't trade - or I just ignore the e-mail. I wrote to Jimi yesterday informing him that the AC had turned down his request. He repliedto me in a very emotional e-mail. Frankly, he's hurt and doesn't understand what he's done wrong. I won't quote it here b/c I haven't asked his permission to so. And really, what has he done wrong? nothing. You don't like his approach? Well, you're not required to send him anything if you don't want to. Look, there were MANY positive comments about Jimi on his application - and in the many Rambles that have come across. But the negatives that may have influenced the "no" votes don't seem to be based on any concrete thing he's done wrong - just what he MIGHT do in the future. Fellas, that's wrong, in my opinion. And just so you know, he plans on re-applying (which he is allowed to do). I'm going to send him an e-mail asking him to clarify any potential misunderstanding regarding his possible membership, and - even though he shouldn't have to do it - re-assure those who might be against him how he will abide by our guidelines, not sell cards, etc. So, this whole debate may very well come up again. Tom Housley ================= Date: 12 Nov 2013 11:01:08 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Website suggestions ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:25:34 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer Not outrage as much as confusion. There are things that "outrage" me more (as I posted) than Jimi's rejection. Some of my "confusion" came from certain things that were being offered (both in Jimi and Macrae's case), so I went back and re-read the rules prior to my original posting. For instance: former member, who was in good standing at the time of his resignation, may reapply for membership by simply emailing to the advisory committee his desire to be returned to active membership. The request will then be announced to the general membership and considered at the next meeting of the committee." I hope the consideration of members reapplying will be taken with as much gravity as well. It is not just an automatic approval, as some (including board members) have mentioned. According to the actual rules, and though it is not explicitly spelled out, a re-application CAN be rejected (based on the wording above). The application via email request is (essentially) the formality, NOT the approval. To: directorth@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcmac@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 13:43:30 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer Lots of discussion...some within OBCAC that hasn't been seen by everyone. have had good trades with Jimi and like him as well, but others had significant issues with him. In particular, some strongly felt that Jimi was more interested in the value that he got back...or "winning" a trade than just trying for something fair and agreeable. And others objected to the way he sold some cards that he recently traded for. OBCAC debated his case thoroughly...and for the first time that I can remember, a real collector was denied entry. I think people should respect the votes that were taken by the elected representatives within the OBCAC. It's was their (our) judgement that he isn't a good fit. That doesn't stop anyone from trading with him...or imply that he is a bad guy...just doesn't seem right for the group. At the end of the day, OBC is MORE than a trading group. There were at least two significantly negative comments directed at Jimi that specifically suggested that he would not live up to the standards of OBC. People electedto represent OBC decided that he would likely not get the spirit of OBC. Fine...some people may not agree with it. For the record, I voted for Jimi...but I think the outrage people are showing at his veto is bordering onridiculous. I voted yes, but 4 people whose opinions I value said no...time to move on. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 10:03:01 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer OK, I THOUGHT I posted this, but it's not showing up. So here goes for try #2. If it shows up twice, my apologies: I've tried to cool off about this, but this is my 2 cents about the Thayer (and Macrae) discussions. I'm not happy. Here goes. First, about Macrae: He may be the nicest guy in the world. He may have an unparalleled knowledge of cards. But let's consider a couple of things: 1) He doesn't post an on-line WL. That's a RULE from our ROC. To me, anyone who won't follow one of the rules has no business being a member. He can be a certified dealer - no problem .But to admit (or re-admit) someone who a) is not, and hasn't really been, active and b) doesn't abide by the most basic rules is wrong. Nothing against him; again he may be the nicest guy in the world - but based on what I've read in the last day, he belongs in the OBC certified dealer category, no in the active membership. EVERYONE needs to abide by ALL of our rules. Anyone without an on-line WL shouldn't be a member. Period. Now, about Thayer. Settle in, this might take a I voted for his admission. I'll freely admit that. Jimi is a nice guy and a model card collector. It seems like his version of collecting does not match up with some people's. However - it is NOT repeat - NOT against the rules of this club to sell cards. Nowhere - NOWHERE- in the ROC is there a ban on selling. Is it frowned upon? Of course. But there have been may exceptions - guys selling for hardship, which is understandable. So, bottom line, there is no rule against it. Want it to be against the rules? then propose that the AC amend the ROC. On the application page, a question is "...Are you a card dealer, or do you sell cards over the internet? (answering yes does not exclude you from consideration from OBC)". Look at that last phrase. DOES NOT EXCLUDE YOU FROM CONSIDERATION. Yes, Jimi has on occasion sold cards. He is also a very active trader in VCT and his other groups - TRADING groups. What's wrong with making a trade and wanting equal- or even better - value? Yes, he changes the focus of his collection often =96 who are we to determine how someone should collect cards? When Jimi applied to OBC, I sent him my standard "so you want to join OBC" e-mail (available on the AC Yahoo page, but available to anyone who wants to see it; just ask me), in which I clearly spelled out the differences between OBC and other groups, explaining the RAOK philosophy, and stressing trades aren't banned. Let me repeat that. TRADES WITHIN OUR GROUP ARE NOT BANNED. Nor should they be frowned upon. Yes, we PREFER to exchange via RAOK. But Jimi responded enthusiastically to my e-mail and understands the difference. If I felt Jimi - or any candidate - was trying to join our group in order to scam free cards in order to make a profit, I would vote "no" so fast my keyboard would smoke. But there is no way I feel he would do that. I've met the guy, I've traded with him in VCT. He understands that if he sends out RAOK he may not get something back. But let's say he sends someone something via RAOK and then might ask for return fire. All the recipient has to do is reply sayingit was RAOK, right? There's no obligation to send return fire - again, explained in my e-mail to Jimi. He read it & understands it. And, as others have stated, how did each of us get our foot in the door? By contacting OBC members and making small trades in order to build up goodwill and a reputation. Some against his membership have stated they had "bad experiences" with him. Define "bad". You didn't like the trade? Well, in OBC if someone approaches you for a swap - say no if you don't want to trade. How hard is that. If you arrange a trade with him & you aren't happy - if it's truly a bad experience and you can't remedy it with Jimi - report it to the AC. That's in the ROC, people. If he e-mails you & asks to trade? Ignore it. I've received e-mails frm guys who are currently in the active membership in OBC asking me to trade. I either politley tell them I have nothing for them if I can't trade - or I just ignore the e-mail. I wrote to Jimi yesterday informing him that the AC had turned down his request. He repliedto me in a very emotional e-mail. Frankly, he's hurt and doesn't understand what he's done wrong. I won't quote it here b/c I haven't asked his permission to so. And really, what has he done wrong? nothing. You don't like his approach? Well, you're not required to send him anything if you don't want to. Look, there were MANY positive comments about Jimi on his application - and in the many Rambles that have come across. But the negatives that may have influenced the "no" votes don't seem to be based on any concrete thing he's done wrong - just what he MIGHT do in the future. Fellas, that's wrong, in my opinion. And just so you know, he plans on re-applying (which he is allowed to do). I'm going to send him an e-mail asking him to clarify any potential misunderstanding regarding his possible membership, and - even though he shouldn't have to do it - re-assure those who might be against him how he will abide by our guidelines, not sell cards, etc. So, this whole debate may very well come up again. Tom Housley ================= To: "Taylor Schock" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 20:57:47 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:22:59 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Gary Beard Subject: More on Jimi Thayer's application WARNING...pretty lengthy...delete now if you don't have any interest. A few years ago, I made a few trades with Jimi that seemed to me to be grossly in his favor. After a few of these, I sent him an email to discuss the matter with him. After that, we hadn't traded until just recently. I didn't hold a grudge with Jimi, but I wasn't going out of my way to try to put another trade together with him. He contacted me a couple months ago and said he had some cards from my listand wanted to know if I wanted to pursue a trade. I told him I wasn't in to book value as much as he was and that I didn't want to take a lot of time trying to figure out what the value of the trade was. He told me he didn't care about book value any longer as well. We sent each other some cards and the trade was pretty similar to any "trade" within OBC. I was pleasantly surprised with the exchange and was gladhe reached out to me. In the past few months, I've seen numerous posts from him where he is offering cards for the taking, and that he was going through the entire roster of VCT to try to help everyone out before the end of the year (for nothing in Just today at VCT, Jimi sent out a message entitled "Mostly low grade '50s & '60s commons available....just raise your hand!". I would be in favor of giving Jimi a chance with OBC. Maybe even giving him an extended probationary membership just to see if he has changed his outlook on collecting. Sorry if this should have been a private message to the AC, but I thought with all the discussion it was warranted for the whole group. Gary Beard (OBC, VCT, Net54, The Bench, Card Trading Fools) 1014 Liada Way Oxnard, CA 93030 ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 14:41:55 -0800 (PST) To: "directorth@aol.com" , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer --MorgantiesqueRamble Alert!!! OK, first let me say that I think these types of threads are a positive thing from time to time as long as they don't get too personal or vindictive. I can recall losing a few members as a result of some OBC debates. These discussions can be a healthy way of defining or re-defining who and what we are as group. Given that our attitudes are based on our experiences and thatour experiences vary, we will see varying attitudes within every group. I think that's a very good thing. As my Grandmother used to say "If any two of us are exactly alike one of us would be unnecessary"! When I first stumbled upon OBC about a dozen years ago I was attracted to the "Collecting the way it should be" concept. However, to be honest I was not looking fora group where I could give my cards away without much thought to what I might get in return. I was looking for a place to trademy dupes for cards that I needed.Back in the day wenever heard ofroaks. They would probably bewhat my previously alluded toIrish Grandmother might callsling shot ammo. Back then Iwould givecards to my best friend but for everyone else I wanted a fair In the course of satisfying the admission criteria for OBC I initiated sometrades with members.I recall one potential trade wherein IfeltI was not being offered a fair return oncards I offered to a member.I wasn't sure how to respond so I contacted one of the members that I had already traded with for advice.The response was "if you are not comfortable with the tradesimply decline the offer." Idecided to goahead with the trade as proposed. It didn't take long to discover what this group was really about and in retrospect Iwas embarrassed by my petty concern. It didn't take long tolearn the difference between atrade and a swap. I said all that to say this:to trade or not to trade is not the issuefor me. Theissue is should we sell cards that we were given through a Random Act Of Kindness? My inner compass says no, but that's just me. As I also learned in Grandma school, "it's not the gift, it's the thought thatcounts".Selling a giftjust seems to somehow taint theconcept of keeping what we give away! "we keep what we give away!" From: "directorth@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer OK, I THOUGHT I posted this, but it's not showing up. So here goes for try #2. If it shows up twice, my apologies: I've tried to cool off about this, but this is my 2 cents about the Thayer (and Macrae) discussions. I'm not happy. Here goes. First, about Macrae: He may be the nicest guy in the world. He may have an unparalleled knowledge of cards. But let's consider a couple of things: 1) He doesn't post an on-line WL. That's a RULE from our ROC. To me, anyone who won't follow one of the rules has no business being a member. He can be a certified dealer - no problem .But to admit (or re-admit) someone who a) is not, and hasn't really been, active and b) doesn't abide by the most basic rules is wrong. Nothing against him; again he may be the nicest guy in the world - but based on what I've read in the last day, he belongs in the OBC certified dealer category, no in the active membership. EVERYONE needs to abide by ALL of our rules. Anyone without an on-line WL shouldn't be a member. Period. Now, about Thayer. Settle in, this might take a I voted for his admission. I'll freely admit that. Jimi is a nice guy and a model card collector. It seems like his version of collecting does not match up with some people's. However - it is NOT repeat - NOT against the rules of this club to sell cards. Nowhere - NOWHERE- the ROC is there a ban on selling. Is it frowned upon? Of course. But there have been may exceptions - guys selling for hardship, which is understandable. So, bottom line, there is no rule against it. Want it to be against the rules? then propose that the AC amend the ROC. On the application page, a question is "...Are you a card dealer, or do you sell cards over the internet? (answering yes does not exclude you from consideration from OBC)". Look at that last phrase. DOES NOT EXCLUDE YOU FROM CONSIDERATION. Yes, Jimi has on occasion sold cards. He is also a very active trader in VCT and his other groups - TRADING groups. What's wrong with making a trade and wanting equal- or even better - value? Yes, he changes the focus of his collection often =E2=93 who are we to determine how someone should collect cards? When Jimi applied to OBC, I sent him my standard "so you want to join OBC" e-mail (available on the AC Yahoo page, but available to anyone who wants to see it; just ask me), in which I clearly spelled out the differences between OBC and other groups, explaining the RAOK philosophy, and stressing trades aren't banned. Let me repeat that. TRADES WITHIN OUR GROUP ARE NOT BANNED. Nor should they be frowned upon. Yes, we PREFER to exchange via RAOK. But Jimi responded enthusiastically to my e-mail and understands the difference. If I felt Jimi - or any candidate - was trying to join our group in order to scam free cards in order to make a profit, I would vote "no" so fast my keyboard would smoke. But there is no way I feel he would do that. I've met the guy, I've traded with him in VCT. He understands that if he sends out RAOK he may not get something back. But let's say he sends someone something via RAOK and then might ask for return fire. All the recipient has to do is reply sayingit was RAOK, right? There's no obligation to send return fire - again, explained in my e-mail to Jimi. He read it & understands it. And, as others have stated, how did each of us get our foot in the door? By contacting OBC members and making small trades in order to build up goodwill and a reputation. Some against his membership have stated they had "bad experiences" with him. Define "bad". You didn't like the trade? Well, in OBC if someone approaches you for a swap - say no if you don't want to trade. How hard is that. If you arrange a trade with him & you aren't happy - if it's truly a bad experience and you can't remedy it with Jimi - report it to the AC. That's in the ROC, people. If he e-mails you & asks to trade? Ignore it. I've received e-mails frm guys who are currently in the active membership in OBC asking me to trade. I either politley tell them I have nothing for them if I can't trade -or I just ignore the e-mail. I wrote to Jimi yesterday informing him that the AC had turned down his request. He repliedto me in a very emotional e-mail. Frankly, he's hurt and doesn't understand what he's done wrong. I won't quote it here b/c I haven't asked his permission to so. And really, what has he done wrong? nothing. You don't like his approach? Well, you're not required to send him anything if you don't want to. Look, there were MANY positive comments about Jimi on his application - and in the many Rambles that have come across. But the negatives that may have influenced the "no" votes don't seem to be based on any concrete thing he's done wrong - just what he MIGHT do in the future. Fellas, that's wrong, in my opinion. And just so you know, he plans on re-applying (which he is allowed to do). I'm going to send him an e-mail asking him to clarify any potential misunderstanding regarding his possible membership, and - even though he shouldn't have to do it - re-assure those who might be against him how he will abide by our guidelines, not sell cards, etc. So, this whole debate may very well come up again. Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 18:22:32 -0800 To: OBC Ramblings From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer As we can all agree on after all this is we are all different and our own individuals. So I will be the first to say this is getting personal. I had my second stroke in a year in August at the end of my vacation to Arizona and in the hospital I had heart to heart with my son about my cards and askedhim to keep my topps and OPC runs because they meant the most to me and try to pass them on to his kids some day when he has them. The rest he can sell off to someone. As a result doctors say my kind of strokes are more highly triggered in heat. We have a beautiful home in Arizona way better than the one we live in here and was planning on moving there in the near futureand living our retirement years there. My wife and son said the house willgo up for sale in the very near future and we will change our future plansto something else before I could even think of that. And I will say they wanted to live there way more than I did. I say all this because the futuredoes change for people and I want to go on the record now for anyone who feel Raok means it takes my death for cards to leave my possession I want itvery clear don't ever send me anything again. For the rest of you that uses the Webster definition of Raok please send me as many as you please and Iwill always as I have always done return fire as best as I can. I am a trader also so for anyone who wants to propose a trade I will welcome that asI will at time propose trades to you. I have never sold cards and you can check my eBay feedback to verify that and hope to never have too. But I will not have the comments that have come out hang over my head from this day forward because I don't know what the future holds for me. Rick Sent from my iPad > On Nov 12, 2013, at 2:41 PM, EEK wrote: > --Morgantiesque Ramble Alert!!! > OK, first let me say that I think these types of threads are a positive thing from time to time as long as they don't get too personal or vindictive. I can recall losing a few members as a result of some OBC debates. These discussions can be a healthy way of defining or re-defining who and what weare as group. Given that our attitudes are based on our experiences and that our experiences vary, we will see varying attitudes within every group. I think that's a very good thing. As my Grandmother used to say "If any twoof us are exactly alike one of us would be unnecessary"! > When I first stumbled upon OBC about a dozen years ago I was attracted tothe "Collecting the way it should be" concept. However, to be honest I wasnot looking for a group where I could give my cards away without much thought to what I might get in return. I was looking for a place to trade my dupes for cards that I needed. Back in the day we never heard of roaks. They would probably be what my previously alluded to Irish Grandmother might call sling shot ammo. Back then I would give cards to my best friend but for everyone else I wanted a fair return. > In the course of satisfying the admission criteria for OBC I initiated some trades with members. I recall one potential trade wherein I felt I was not being offered a fair return on cards I offered to a member. I wasn't sure how to respond so I contacted one of the members that I had already traded with for advice. The response was "if you are not comfortable with the trade simply decline the offer." I decided to go ahead with the trade as proposed. It didn't take long to discover what this group was really about and in retrospect I was embarrassed by my petty concern. It didn't take long tolearn the difference between a trade and a swap. > I said all that to say this: to trade or not to trade is not the issue for me. The issue is should we sell cards that we were given through a RandomAct Of Kindness? My inner compass says no, but that's just me. As I also learned in Grandma school, "it's not the gift, it's the thought that counts". Selling a gift just seems to somehow taint the concept of keeping what wegive > Earl > "we keep what we give away!" > From: "directorth@aol.com" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, November 12, 2013 12:03 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Macrae and Thayer > OK, I THOUGHT I posted this, but it's not showing up. So here goes for try #2. If it shows up twice, my apologies: > I've tried to cool off about this, but this is my 2 cents about the Thayer (and Macrae) discussions. I'm not happy. Here goes. > First, about Macrae: > He may be the nicest guy in the world. He may have an unparalleled knowledge of cards. But let's consider a couple of things: > 1) He doesn't post an on-line WL. That's a RULE from our ROC. To me, anyone who won't follow one of the rules has no business being a member. He canbe a certified dealer - no problem .But to admit (or re-admit) someone whoa) is not, and hasn't really been, active and b) doesn't abide by the mostbasic rules is wrong. Nothing against him; again he may be the nicest guy in the world - but based on what I've read in the last day, he belongs in the OBC certified dealer category, no in the active membership. EVERYONE needs to abide by ALL of our rules. Anyone without an on-line WL shouldn't be a member. Period. > Now, about Thayer. Settle in, this might take a while. > I voted for his admission. I'll freely admit that. Jimi is a nice guy anda model card collector. It seems like his version of collecting does not match up with some people's. However - it is NOT repeat - NOT against the rules of this club to sell cards. Nowhere - NOWHERE- in the ROC is there a ban on selling. Is it frowned upon? Of course. But there have been may exceptions - guys selling for hardship, which is understandable. So, bottom line, there is no rule against it. Want it to be against the rules? then propose that the AC amend the ROC. > On the application page, a question is "...Are you a card dealer, or do you sell cards over the internet? (answering yes does not exclude you from consideration from OBC)". Look at that last phrase. DOES NOT EXCLUDE YOU FROM > Yes, Jimi has on occasion sold cards. He is also a very active trader inVCT and his other groups - TRADING groups. What's wrong with making a trade and wanting equal - or even better - value? Yes, he changes the focus of his collection often =E2=93 but who are we to determine how someone should collect cards? > When Jimi applied to OBC, I sent him my standard "so you want to join OBC" e-mail (available on the AC Yahoo page, but available to anyone who wantsto see it; just ask me), in which I clearly spelled out the differences between OBC and other groups, explaining the RAOK philosophy, and stressing trades aren't banned. Let me repeat that. TRADES WITHIN OUR GROUP ARE NOT BANNED. Nor should they be frowned upon. Yes, we PREFER to exchange via RAOK.But Jimi responded enthusiastically to my e-mail and understands the difference. > If I felt Jimi - or any candidate - was trying to join our group in orderto scam free cards in order to make a profit, I would vote "no" so fast mykeyboard would smoke. But there is no way I feel he would do that. I've met the guy, I've traded with him in VCT. He understands that if he sends out RAOK he may not get something back. But let's say he sends someone something via RAOK and then might ask for return fire. All the recipient has to do is reply saying it was RAOK, right? There's no obligation to send return fire - again, explained in my e-mail to Jimi. He read it & understands it. And, as others have stated, how did each of us get our foot in the door? Bycontacting OBC members and making small trades in order to build up goodwill and a reputation. > Some against his membership have stated they had "bad experiences" with him. Define "bad". You didn't like the trade? Well, in OBC if someone approaches you for a swap - say no if you don't want to trade. How hard is that. If you do arrange a trade with him & you aren't happy - if it's truly a badexperience and you can't remedy it with Jimi - report it to the AC. That'sin the ROC, people. If he e-mails you & asks to trade? Ignore it. I've received e-mails frm guys who are currently in the active membership in OBC asking me to trade. I either politley tell them I have nothing for them if I can't trade - or I just ignore the e-mail. > I wrote to Jimi yesterday informing him that the AC had turned down his request. He replied to me in a very emotional e-mail. Frankly, he's hurt anddoesn't understand what he's done wrong. I won't quote it here b/c I haven't asked his permission to do so. And really, what has he done wrong? nothing. You don't like his approach? Well, you're not required to send him anything if you don't want to. > Look, there were MANY positive comments about Jimi on his application - and in the many Rambles that have come across. But the negatives that may have influenced the "no" votes don't seem to be based on any concrete thing he's done wrong - just what he MIGHT do in the future. Fellas, that's wrong,in my opinion. > And just so you know, he plans on re-applying (which he is allowed to do). I'm going to send him an e-mail asking him to clarify any potential misunderstanding regarding his possible membership, and - even though he shouldn't have to do it - re-assure those who might be against him how he will abide by our guidelines, not sell cards, etc. So, this whole debate may very well come up again. > Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:12:57 -0600 To: Geno Wagner From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Membership issue Guys, I have been a low active, (not inactive), member lately but being a full time member since 1996, I feel it is my duty to weigh in on this discussion, even if briefly. Concerning Jimi Thayer, his application was rejected. The reasons have been discussed and debated. Now, if he was to reapply as it was announced he would do in an earlier post, then the committee will go over his app again and this time with a wealth of new information and opinions to go by. Either way the vote would go they should feel they did the right thing having even more to go on in their decision. Mr. Thayer should not feel slighted by the first vote, by now he knows the reasons it went the way it did and if he is lucky enough to win through on the second he can only respect the process and embrace the responsibility of membership. Concerning Mark Macrae, While many talk about his knowledge and how he's a great guy, he does not profile as a OBC member very well. However, OBC has a means of retaining someone in it's membership that wants to be more involved than being on the dealer's list but less involved in the actual nuts and bolts of membership. That means is 'Honorary Member'. That designation is not only for our deceased members as we have also bestowed it upon 'The Original Frank Thomas' and it worked well. It may well serve here. Greg (yaz) On 11/11/2013 6:16 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > Regarding Mark Macrae's request to rejoin, I received an email from a > member that I would like to share to generate some discussion on the > direction of OBC. I chose to cut and paste his comments, since he > choose to email me personally. I'd welcome any comments, in light of > the refusal to admit Jimi Thayer. I will tell you that Thayer was not > admitted because he is a "trader" and a few people said he has sold > cards that he was traded. Most of the comments on Thayer were > positive, but those ones kept him out. I've received about five > emails on it from various guys wanting to know why he was refused, but > I thought this one sort of put the whole philosophy into perspective > (or lack thereof). I'm not looking for answers, but want to see what > the feeling is in OBC. > "I want this to be known in no way a negative reflection on Mark. > Everything positive that can be said about him I would agree with and > I try to buy something from him every year when he comes up here to > the show. But he never put up a want list and was never part of your > group in the five plus years I've been here. I feel he is only here as > a dealer and that's not what the group is about. He is on our dealer > page that should be good enough. After all that I could care less who > is a member or not. A person was reject just because he was labeled a > "trader" and would have been active and Mark is a dealer and won't be > active? My two cents" > Take Care, > Geno ================= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 23:21:44 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: RAN912@aol.com Subject: seeing a lot of emails lately Hi Guys, I'm surprised my old computer hasn't burned out this past week with the many,many OBC incoming emails. It is good to see the interest and opinions from my fellow OBCers and I don't want to get left out so I thought I would join the crowd with a bit of input. My first vote as a member of the AC was a difficult one, to say the least. Nobody told me I would be urged to explain the reasoning behind my "reject" vote, but if there are those who would like to hear it I can tell you that it really didn't have that much to do with selling of cards or using the word "trade" in Jimi's application. I have never sold a card that I have received from an OBCer, but rest assured that a week after I croak you will see my collection for sale someplace no matter where the cards came from. As for the word "trade", sometimes when someone sends you cards you want to return the kindness regardless of whether or not it was random so you send cards. It's a technical trade. RAOK, while a nice gesture, has kind of gone the way of the five-cent candy bar (sadly). But cards still get passed back and forth and I feel warm and fuzzy about that. The reason why I found it necessary to vote in the negative was because I had inside knowledge that one of our long-standing members dropped out of the club and another of equal status was considering doing so if Jimi was voted into the club. This immediately sent up a red flag that something, probably from the past, was bugging at least 2 members and could escalate to others dropping by the wayside. A few days ago I made a suggestion (which I probably should have put on this server) that Jimi should be informed that his application was not approved at this time and it has been suggested that he interact with additional OBCers until we get to know him better and then have him re-apply. I'm getting the vibes that the pro-Jimi OBCers want an instant re-application, but this resolves nothing. I would not change my mind or my vote based on the emails I have read lately. My personal feeling is that the application itself is outdated and should be revamped and that might help the process. As to Mark Macrae - if he wants back in, he should be re-instated. Call him a dealer, an honorary member, or whatever, but (aside from being a good guy)he is a great fan and representative of OBC and spreads the good word about us around. I don't have many vintage dupes, so when I want to bestow a special card to one of you guys, I always contact Mark to supply me. He always comes through. Say, if you guys want me to re-do the basic application for membership, I'd be happy to submit my ideas. Rich Niessen ================= To: Taylor Schock , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 00:14:00 -0500 From: Shawn Smart Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] This may ruffle a few feathers... I wasn't sure if I should chime into this discussion or not since I am one of the "new guys". Every group, business or organization has to reflect and re-evaluate from time to time and recent events have seemed to open up some discussion for positive constructive criticism. And I feel as a part of this group, even if new, I owe it to partake and not lurk in the shadows. I don't really have much of an opinion to tell you the truth about the two recent applicants. I never gave much thought to someone selling cards that I send them but that is probably because most of mine have been through the ringer and wouldn't hold much value to people outside of this group. Iknow that someone will not be paying for their next cruise with the hole punched, water damaged beaters I often pass along. However the one e-mail that I did feel some connection with was from Mr. Taylor I'll admit I was somewhat disappointed by the number of wantlists that havenot been updated in many months and sometimes years. I clicked on all ofthem when I got into the group. There are some that are really outdated and even a few that as of this moment, have links that go nowhere. I would be all for having the OBC council contact those people and ask them if theyare still interested in being in the group, and if so to please keep up with their wantlists. These lists are the basis of the group. And if someone does not comply, they could become inactive until they have enough timeto update them. Life gets in the way for all of us sometimes. But if youcan not be an active member, it is only fair to inform the group you wouldlike to go "inactive" for a while until life permits you to be an active participant. The "thanks" thing I think should be very important issue for the group as well. If someone is kind enough to take time out of their day to look at your wantlist, pull cards you need, put them in an envelope, and pay for postage, I think it is only respectful to at least thank them for this. For me this has not been a major problem. As of this writing I have sent packages to 38 OBC members and only 3 did not send me some form of thanks. And after contacting those 3 after some time, 2 apologized and explained what happened. So those are pretty good percentages. But I feel this should almost be a "policy" for the group. It seems hard to get into the group, but a little too easy to stay in it. I hope I didn't overstep my bounds as a new member. However I really lovebeing in this group and would only like to see it become stronger. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 11:42:53 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] This may ruffle a few feathers... ... and I struggled with whether or not to even write this. I'm sorry, but can someone who has a problem with a recipient of an RAOK selling that card(s) he received explain to me why you have a problem with that? I'm curious as to how you would see that as different than selling a card you received in a trade. If it is a true RAOK, then it is essentially a gift, isn't it? And if it truly is a gift, then the recipient can do with it as he pleases. If there isa stipulation to that gift (such as not selling it), then it really is nota gift at all, is it? More akin to a trade or an understood contract (since there is an obligation put on the recipient). As you can probably tell from above, I don't have a problem if I send someone an RAOK if they sell it. If it happens once in a while, so be it. If it is a constant thing from the same recipient, then my RAOKs will be finding a new home (or I'll sell them myself). Things seem to work themselves out. Personally, I have more of an issue with the following: A ) People who always seem to be RAOK recipients and never RAOK senders. I'm not expecting to receive anything in return (unless, obviously, it's a trade), but I see cases where nothing or very little gets "paid forward" by some. B ) People who don't acknowledge a RAOK. Public thanks? I couldn't care less. But if someone takes the time and effort to send you something, at leastlet them know it arrived. (Yes, I know I don't send out or CC personal emails myself, but I at least send it to the group) C ) Worse that A or B above, is those that fall under both A AND B. D ) I wonder about the point of having someone in the group if they aren't active. Sorry, but this one I don't get at all. When I'm poking around and I find someone who hasn't updated their want list in close to 2 years, I usually don't go any further than that. (and I'm talking lists here that I CAN hit). So why you even consider admitting (or readmitting) someone who won't be active and you know won't participate in RAOK? Or maybe I should have just kept quiet... ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:25:42 -0500 (EST) From: FIREMAN Subject: Looking to be put on inactive Hey guys, I am asking to be placed on the inactive list..I am having some MAJOR problem at home and do not have time for baseball cards. I have been very inactive lately and I am sure you guys have sent packages and i haven't even looked or opened them and that isn't fair to you guys, I hate to say it but right now my family and my life have to come first If anyone would like to know whats going on shoot me an Email to me not a respond to all and I will explain whats going on Rob Gioia ================= Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 04:52:31 -0800 (PST) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Bob Saxton Subject: baseball aticles I've been cleaning out a lot of stuff I no longer need, among which is a whole file of baseball articles from magazines, mostly 1959-60, but a couple from 1945. If there is anything on the following list that you'd likejust let me know. FCFS, and including your mailing address would speed up the Thanks for looking, Magazine articles free to good homes: Cardinals - =E2=9CSolly on the Spot=E2=9D (Solly Hemus) Saturday Evening Post, May 23 1959 Cardinals - =E2=9CThe Gashouse Gang and I=E2=9D, by Frank Frisch, Saturday Evening Post, July 18, 1959 Red Sox - =E2=9CThe Sad Case of the Red Sox=E2=9D (Yawkey spends fortune for dismal prospects). Saturday Evening Post, May 21, 1960 Red Sox - =E2=9CMy Ambition is to Quit=E2=9D (Jackie Jensen) Saturday Evening Post, April 4, 1959 Phillies- =E2=9CThe Phillies=E2=9D (players too old or too young), Life magazine, April25, 1945 Cubs- =E2=9CBaseball Season Ends in Argument=E2=9D (Charlie Grimm), Life, October 8, 1945 Senators - =E2=9CThe Littlest Big-Leaguer=E2=9D (Albie Pearson), Saturday Evening Post May 16, 1959 Yankees- =E2=9CThe Yankees Mr. Fireball=E2=9D, (Ryne Duren), SaturdayEvening Post April 11, 1959 Yankees - =E2=9CI Coach the Hot Corner=E2=9D (Frank Crosetti), Saturday Evening Post August 8, 1959 Yankees - =E2=9CMy Life with Babe Ruth=E2=9D (by Mrs. Babe Ruth) Saturday Evening Post March 7, 1959 Milwaukee Braves- =E2=9CMy Baseball Farmhands=E2=9D (Milwaukee stars from the farm system), Saturday Evening Post, July 11 1959 Milwaukee Braves - =E2=9CI=E2=99ve Grown Up and So Has Milwaukee=E2=9D (Eddie Mathews) Saturday Evening Post July 12, 1958 White Sox - =E2=9CSenor Shortstop of the White Sox=E2=9D, (Luis Aparicio) Saturday Evening Post August 16 1958 White Sox - =E2=9CA Visit with Bill Veek=E2=9D, Saturday Evening PostJune 6, 1959 Indians - =E2=9CWhy Cleveland Loves Colavito=E2=9D, Saturday Evening Post July 25, 1959 Orioles - =E2=9CSo I Escaped from the Bullpen=E2=9D (Hoyt Wilhelm), Saturday Evening Post August 1, 1959 Orioles - =E2=9CBaltimore=E2=99s Bonus Baby Blues=E2=9D, Saturday Evening Post August 9, 1958 Giants - =E2=9CYear of Decision for Bill Rigney=E2=9D Saturday Evening Post June 25 1960 Reds - =E2=9CIs He the Nearest-Perfect Player?=E2=9D (Vada Pinson), Saturday Evening Post July 16 Philadelphia Athletics - =E2=9CThe Day I Was Indispensable=E2=9D (14 year old boy believes the outcome of World Series game depends on him) Saturday Evening Post, October 3 1959 Kansas City Athletics - =E2=9CI Played Without Eating=E2=9D (Bob Cerv) Saturday Evening Post July 19 1958 Pirates - =E2=9CBaseball=E2=99s Mister Mischief=E2=9D (DannyMurtaugh) Saturday Evening Post May 9, 1959 Ball parks - =E2=9CWhat a Difference A Ball Park Makes=E2=9D (how dimensions & peculiarities affect team performance. Milwaukee, Fenway, Forbes,Comiskey, Yankee Stadium, L.A. Coliseum) Saturday Evening Post 1959 Puerto Rican baseball - =E2=9CBaseball=E2=99s Hothouse=E2=9D, Saturday Evening Post February 14, 1959 =E2=9CIs Baseball Comedy Dead?=E2=9D (Stengel, Spahn & Burdette, Ford, Rocky Bridges, Gashouse Gang) Saturday Evening Post, June 11,1960 =E2=9CThe Myths of Cooperstown=E2=9D Saturday Evening Post, January 30, 1960 ================= To: "FIREMAN" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 13:38:01 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking to be put on inactive Rob -- We'll take of it. Let us know if we can help, and we'll be waiting for youwhen you can come back! Take Care, Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: FIREMAN Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 07:25:42 To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking to be put on inactive Hey guys, I am asking to be placed on the inactive list..I am having some MAJOR problem at home and do not have time for baseball cards. I have been very inactive lately and I am sure you guys have sent packages and i haven't even looked or opened them and that isn't fair to you guys, I hate to say it but right now my family and my life have to come first If anyone would like to know whats going on shoot me an Email to me not a respond to all and I will explain whats going on Rob Gioia ================= To: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 09:29:35 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: OBC Xmas Grab - All Assignments Have Been Mailed To everyone in the Christmas Grab, I have sent you your victim. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 07:18:47 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: '63 Mantle #200 BIN $49.99 http://www.ebay.com/itm/1963-TOPPS-MICKEY-MANTLE-CARD-200-POOR-/300991053399?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem461476fe57#ht_619wt_904 Listed as Poor, but doens't look too bad! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 08:56:29 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: eBay Bowmans made to fit If you like your 1948 Bowmans a little smaller, here is the lot for you: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1948-Bowman-Lot-25-Berra-Feller-Kiner-Rizzuto-Schoen deinst-Page-More-/121214452538?ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 The original owner must have liked the width of the latter 1951 Bowmans. ================= Date: 14 Nov 2013 16:47:25 -0800 To: From: Subject: Tonight I'm gonna party like it's 1959.... ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 17:22:48 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: 1987 Elias Baseball Analyst Anyone want this? large format soft cover, slight wear. Give me your address. Richard D ================= To: Date: Fri, 15 Nov 2013 22:34:03 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Fw: Wounded Warrior Project Update ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: uvlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 15, 2013 10:32 PM Subject: Wounded Warrior Project Update Hey Guys I have been busy over the last 3 or 4 months accumulating all kinds of cards for my new friend Sgt Brian Keaton and his never ending mission to provide cardboard to his Army brothers. These cards help those soldiers with traumatic brain injuries in their recovery and when they leave Walter Reed Hospital they take the cards with them. Here's the original article again if you missed it the first time. One request ..Brian has asked me to find a copy of the Billy Ripken FF cardand I told him I would try. These are hard to come by in Baltimore so if anyone has an extra I will gladly try to send something back your way. I cant tell you how rewarding this has been for me. The hobby I love matched up with the gentlemen and ladies who have given so much for our freedom. Also if you would like to donate please contact me.thanks http://www.gazette.net/article/20130708/NEWS/130719997/1034/baseball-cards-take-wounded-warrior-down-memory-lane&templategazette ================= Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:53:24 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: 65 or 66 football Coke Bottlecaps Anybody collect these? Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:57:21 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: john harrell Subject: A huge tip of the OBC cap goes out from Biscuitland to: Mac Wubben - who slices my T205 list by 1/3 with very nice copies of Kleinow and Kirby White. That leaves Cobb, Johnson, Speaker and Kaiser Wilhelm to finish the basic set. Never thought I'[d get this far. Thanks Have an error-free season. ================= To: "john harrell" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 17:02:32 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A huge tip of the That Speaker card is tough. It's not rare, but it's impossible to find w/o spending a fortune! Good Luck! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: john harrell Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:57:21 To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A huge tip of the OBC cap goes out from Biscuitland to: Mac Wubben - who slices my T205 list by 1/3 with very nice copies of Kleinow and Kirby White. That leaves Cobb, Johnson, Speaker and Kaiser Wilhelm to finish the basic set. Never thought I'[d get this far. Thanks Have an error-free season. ================= Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 11:06:11 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: john harrell Subject: Re: A huge tip of the Well, it's only been 13 years on the set so it's young by comparison to some of my others. ================= To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obcjohn@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 15:35:49 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A huge tip of the Yes and no...Speaker is a nicer card in t205 and one of the tougher hall offamers to find. I will tell you that I recently (in the last year) bought a speaker in p-f for $49. It can be had but you just have to get lucky. Now, that wilhelm card will certainly cost you a fortune (sorry). PS Have to take a break from hoarding T205s due to some financial issues...blah -----Original Message----- From: illini_grad_90 To: john harrell ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Nov 16, 2013 9:02 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A huge tip of the That Speaker card is tough. It's not rare, but it's impossible to find w/ospending a fortune! Good Luck! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T From: john harrell Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Nov 2013 10:57:21 -0600 To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A huge tip of the OBC cap goes out from Biscuitland to: Mac Wubben - who slices my T205 list by 1/3 with very nice copies of Kleinow and Kirby White. That leaves Cobb, Johnson, Speaker and Kaiser Wilhelm to finish the basic set. Never thought I'[d get this far. Thanks Mac!! Have an error-free season. ================= Date: 16 Nov 2013 19:21:57 -0800 To: From: Subject: FOOT Flavord Waiver Wire ================= Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 08:08:40 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Bessette Subject: 1980 Topps lot I have a lot of about 100 different 1980 Topps. Anyone want them? Just giveme a shout. ================= Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 17:38:18 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Was 1938 Goudey designed by National Chicle? Hi all, I'm writing up a lengthy post on Goudey's Knot Hole League and incidentally came to the conclusion that 1938's Heads-Up set came originally from a National Chicle art concept that ended up in Goudey's hands after Chicle went bankrupt. The rationale's in this thread: http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t=178905 Anyone know better than me the history of that Goudey set? ================= Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2013 16:20:36 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings From: Marshall West Subject: Mis-cut cards Who is it that likes/collects the badly mis-cut cards? Let me know. I found a few beauties. Marshall West ================= Date: 18 Nov 2013 06:28:24 -0800 To: From: Subject: Who needs 1964 Topps 423 Tops in NL? ================= Date: 18 Nov 2013 14:26:15 -0800 To: From: Subject: Candidate for "OBC Friendly" Certified Dealer Status ================= To: directorth@aol.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:07:34 -0500 From: "John" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 18:05:39 -0500 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Candidate for "OBC Friendly" ================= Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 19:19:50 -0600 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Candidate for "OBC Friendly" I agree, Mark is defiantly an OBC friendly dealer. He has even been at a few shows here in KY and has always given me great deals. Ken P. ---- directorth@aol.com wrote: > Hi guys, > Just wondering if anyone else out there - especially those of you in the Michigan/Ohio area -would be interested in giving a thumbs-up to Mark Smith as a Certified OBC-Friendly dealer (and thus be added to our Dealer page)? Any such candidate needs at least 5 recommendations from OBC'ers in order to be considered. > I always look forward to seeing Mark at shows. He's a very nice guy, always takes time to talk to us, and always gives additional discounts on top of his already-low prices to our group members. I ran into him again on Saturday at a show; I called Wes, who came to the show also & hung out with us. > Mark is almost always at the big shows in the area - Dayton, Columbus, Strongsville, Cincinnati, and the Detroit area; he's always at the National - usually set up next to Danny Phillips. I have a picture somewhere if someone can't place Mark's name but might recognize his face. > So, what say you all? My recommendation is 1. I'm betting Wes will endorse Mark also. Anyone else? If we can get at least 5, then we can present Mark to the AC as a candidate. > (And BTW, Mark knows nothing about this. Just me, trying to get a deserving dealer listed on our Certified Dealer page.) > Thanks! > Tom ================= Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2013 21:48:15 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: ebay favorites - exclude seller how do i automatically exclude a seller from a saved/favorite search if the seller's name is not in the title of the auction? Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 03:08:10 +0000 (UTC) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Mike Rich says Hello Hello All, I got a call from Mike tonight and he asked me to send a brief email to the group to explain that he has been experiencing some computer problems and that he is sorry if he has missed any communications. He has accepted a new position at work that has taken much of his spare time and has not had the chance to get his modem fixed - so he wanted all to know that he hopes to get up and running soon. He did tell me that he has some thanks to get out (Anthony and Patrick were mentioned) and he will get to them ASAP. Until then - I am saying Hello for him - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK ================= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 00:10:06 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: One-man show by Roger Neufeldt Nice article on one of OBC's favorite dealers and his recent "show" in Arlington, TX. http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/one-man-card-show-a-symbol-of-going-against-the-grain/ ================= Date: 19 Nov 2013 09:31:21 -0800 To: From: Subject: RE: Candidate for "OBC Friendly" Certified Dealer Status ================= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 13:08:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: anybody have T-201s? I'm thinking about starting a T-201 VG set. Does anybody have some of these that they would like to trade or sell? ================= Date: 19 Nov 2013 10:43:19 -0800 To: From: Subject: Reminder about receiving e-mails -individual vs. Daily Digest ================= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 15:10:59 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Fwd: ebay favorites - exclude seller haven't checked this out yet, but if anyone does, let us all know how it From: directorth@aol.com To: smartalecx@aol.com Sent: 11/19/2013 1:14:17 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: ebay favorites - exclude seller Hi Gary, I found this: see if it works for you: http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Block-a-Sellers-Listings-/10000000006694277/g ================= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:28:41 -0500 (EST) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: ebay favorites - exclude seller - nothing automated this from the link that tom provided below. not automated, but when you run across a seller with 100 listings in a search that you don't want to see (e.g. dean's cards), it should help IF YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE THE SEARCH: If you have already performed a search and find it ... ahem ... cluttered with too many listings from one or more sellers, you can filter out those listings quickly. Take note of the user IDs you want to exclude, then click on the tiny Advanced Search link above the first listing on the yellow bar. Scroll down to the From Sellers section. Tick the box in front of the line that says: "From specific sellers (enter sellers' user IDs)". In the line below it, click the down-arrow and choose "Exclude." Then enter the user IDs you want to exclude. Lastly, hit the Enter key on your keyboard and your search will be performed. Note that at present there is no way to permanently exclude seller's listings; the above must be done each time. eBay administration sees no need for a seller block function (yet). In a message dated 11/19/2013 1:14:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Hi Gary, I found this: see if it works for you: http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Block-a-Sellers-Listings-/10000000006694277/g Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 18:30:27 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: Chicago Sun Times Show Hi everyone I may have missed the responses, but I'll be at the Sun Times show in Chicago on Saturday. Exact time TBD. If you'll be there let me know. Mynumber is 414-418-9507. Mike Mackie ================= To: "=?utf-8?B?TWlrZSBNYWNraWU=?=" ,"=?utf-8?B?T0JDIFJhbWJsaW5ncw==?=" Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2013 21:39:08 -0500 From: "John" Content-Disposition: inline ================= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 10:30:48 -0500 (EST) To: macknife13@prodigy.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Sun Times Show Content-Language: en My schedule has changed, and I plan on being there at the open on Saturday for the bulk of the day. We usually meet up at Kevin Savage's table about noon if all the white hats haven't seen each other beforehand. See you then. My cell is 773-547-2112 Gary Mandell In a message dated 11/19/2013 8:31:03 P.M. Central Standard Time, macknife13@prodigy.net writes: Hi everyone I may have missed the responses, but I'll be at the Sun Times show in Chicago on Saturday. Exact time TBD. If you'll be there let me know. My number is 414-418-9507. Mike Mackie Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 11:29:47 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: 71-72 OPC Hockey I have a ton of these, LMK if you are working on this set. I could even provide a pretty big starter set (some paper loss on back of most cards). Also, have other early 70's Hockey Topps and OPC. LMK if you are working on these sets. ================= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 12:38:54 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Looking for some advice on value/authentication I'm hoping someone out there in OBCLand can help me out with some advice. I'm considering sending some autographed cards for authentication. What I'm wondering is what might they be valued at now, and how much more would authentication bring to the table? The cards are from a lot that I bought from early internet auction guy Solomon Cramer. I'm sure several of you dealt with Solomon back in the 1990s. Before joining OBC, I picked up several Tigers cards from him. He was one of3 or 4 dealers I did fairly regular business with. Round about 1994 or so,I picked up a group of over 60 autographed Tigers cards. The lot included players and cards from the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. From what I've heard, Cramer was a pretty straight dealer so I've no reason to believe that these are anything other than genuine. There are three cards in particular that I'd like to get definitively authenticated. The first two are 1969 Topps while the third is a '69 Milton Bradley. All are now deceased members of the Tigers 1968 WS Champs team (I've attached The cards are: Mayo Smith: Manager of the '68 team. Died in 1977. Autograph is in ballpoint, but is very clear. I'd rate it maybe a strong 8. Joe Sparma: Tigers starting pitcher who picked up the win that clinched the'68 AL pennant. Died in 1986. Auto is in ballpoint, but it is personalised"To John, Best Wishes, Joe Sparma". Sparma's name itself is not terribly clear. I'd maybe rate this a 3 to 4. Ray Oyler: This is the 1969MB. Signature is very small and done in red ink.Still very clear. Maybe a 6 or 7. Died in 1981 I know through trying to track down autographs of the 1968 team that these are 3 of the toughest to find, probably due to the fact that they all passed away prior to the memorabilia market taking off. I'm really struggling to find a guide to autographed card values online. Hopefully, one of you guys might know where to look - or who to ask! So, onceagain, my questions are: 1) Can anyone give me an idea of "as is" value on these? 2) Can anyone give me an idea of value if they were to be authenticated by PSA or similar? Thanks as always!! Glasgow, Scotland Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 15:51:08 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Can you guys check this for me? In my infinite desire to make things better, I found that google blew up my wantlist. I set it up again, can you guys check to see if you can read it now? Thanks... I know this should go to the wantlist section, but I want to make sure everyone can read it. https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 18:06:46 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Wantlist Well I have more than enough who can verify it's readable. Thanks guys! https://sites.google.com/site/chicod1wantlist/ ================= Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2013 19:04:51 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: mark zentkovich Subject: Fielder to Rangers? Foot guys, what do you think about sending fielder to tx for kinsler? hopefully it is a win win for both ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 01:46:26 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Kinsler/Fielder deal Wow! That was some pretty amazing news to wake up to this morning! I think this is a great deal for the Tigers. And there's no way that DD is finished yet. Although the Tigers have consistently been saying that they are no longer grooming Castellanos for the 3B slot, its pretty clear that this deal reopens that possibility, with Cabrera/Martinez handling the 1B/DH duties. After his surgery, this would probably be a good move for Miggy, moving to a less physically demanding position and giving him plenty days offfrom the field. I like the idea of re-signing Peralta - if it can be done for a reasonable price - to provide SS/3B backup (in case either NickC or Iglesias tank)and a solid bat off the bench. Now, extend Scherzer, sign Nathan (say no to Wilson!!!), and nail down a LFand we're good to go! ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 06:24:10 -0800 (PST) To: Glenn Codere , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Kinsler/Fielder deal Glenn, I agree 100%! "we keep what we give away!" From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:46 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Kinsler/Fielder deal Wow! That was some pretty amazing news to wake up to this morning! I think this is a great deal for the Tigers. And there's no way that DD is finished yet. Although the Tigers have consistently been saying that they are no longer grooming Castellanos for the 3B slot, its pretty clear that this deal reopens that possibility, with Cabrera/Martinez handling the 1B/DH duties. After his surgery, this would probably be a good move for Miggy, moving to a less physically demanding position and giving him plenty days offfrom the field. I like the idea of re-signing Peralta - if it can bedone for a reasonable price - to provide SS/3B backup (in case either NickC or Iglesias tank)and a solid bat off the bench. Now, extend Scherzer, sign Nathan (say no to Wilson!!!), and nail down a LFand we're good to go! ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:39:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: Kinsler/Fielder deal I like the deal and would love to see them go out and snag Ellsbury. Withethe subtraction of Fielder and the addition of Kinsler and Ellbury, the whole team dimension would change, allowing them to "manufacture" runs when the slugging goes cold, which is something they have sorely missed in their most recent runs. Maybe take a pass on Nathan and sign Rodney, who seems to still have some gas left in the tank. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > Wow! That was some pretty amazing news to wake up to this morning! > I think this is a great deal for the Tigers. And there's no way that DD is finished yet. Although the Tigers have consistently been saying that theyare no longer grooming Castellanos for the 3B slot, its pretty clear that this deal reopens that possibility, with Cabrera/Martinez handling the 1B/DH duties. After his surgery, this would probably be a good move for Miggy, moving to a less physically demanding position and giving him plenty days off from the field. I like the idea of re-signing Peralta - if it can be done for a reasonable price - to provide SS/3B backup (in case either NickCor Iglesias tank)and a solid bat off the bench. > Now, extend Scherzer, sign Nathan (say no to Wilson!!!), and nail down a LF and we're good to go! > Glenn ================= To: "vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com" , Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 13:51:35 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: Card sets available I have a bunch of sets available that include various sports, base sets, insert sets, and boxed sets. Those available are listed below. Some I would like to trade while a few are just available for the asking (such as some ofthe boxed sets). Other than my want lists, I'm also looking for Topps factory sets (baseballand football) I don't have as well as football starters/sets that I don't have or haven't started (generally, 1994 and later). Regardless, if you have any questions or are interested in any of the ones below , let me know. 1983 Donruss Hall of Fame Heroes - 44 cards 1983 Donruss Puzzle - Cobb 1985 Donruss Puzzle - Gehrig 1988 Donruss Puzzle - Musial 1988 Donruss - unopened factory 1989 Donruss Puzzle - Spahn 1990 Donruss Puzzle - Yastrzemski 1992 Donruss Puzzle - Carew (color) 1987 Fleer Award Winners - box set 1988 Fleer Baseball Superstars - box set 1988 Fleer Sluggers vs Pitchers - box set 1988 Fleer Team Leaders - box set 1988 Fleer World Series - 12 cards 1988 Fleer - unopened factory 1988 KayBee Superstars - box set 1989 KayBee Superstars - box set 1991 Leaf Puzzle - Killebrew 1992 Leaf Puzzle - Carew (B&W) 1991 Pacific Ryan - 110 cards 1992 Pacific Ryan - 110 cards 1986 ProCards Columbus Clippers 1986 ProCards Hagerstown Suns 1986 ProCards Lynchburg Mets 1989 ProCards Greensboro Hornets - missing 403(checklist) and 415(Sanders) 1988 Score Young Superstars - 40 cards 1988 Score - factory 1989 Score - unopened factory 1990 Score MVP - 56 cards 1990 Score - unopened factory 1991 Score World Series Trivia - 56 cards 1994 Signature Rookies - 50 cards 1995 Signature Rookies Sample - 5 cards 1988 Sporting News 1933 AL All Stars - 24 cards 1988 Star Winston-Salem Spirits 1989 Star Winston-Salem Spirits 1994 Ted Williams - 162 cards 1981 Topps Super National - 15 cards 1987 Topps mini leaders - 77 cards 1987 Topps - unopened factory 1988 Topps American Baseball - box set 1988 Topps mini leaders - 77 cards 1990 Topps 1992 Topps 1993 Topps 1996 Topps 1996 Topps - unopened factory 1999 Topps 2001 Topps Look Ahead - 10 cards 2002 Topps 2004 Topps - unopened factory 2005 Topps 2009 Topps Topps Town - TTT26-TTT50 1993 Triple Play - 264 cards 1991 Upper Deck Baseball Heroes - Aaron - 19-27 (no header) 1991 Upper Deck Baseball Heroes - Ryan - 10-18 (w/header) 1991 Upper Deck - unopened factory 1992 Upper Deck Baseball Heroes - Williams - 28-36 (w/header) 2004 Upper Deck Update - 50 cards, no auto 1990 US Playing Card 1992 US Playing Card Rookies - 52 cards 1988 Woolworth 1987 Highlights - box set 1981 Fleer logo stickers - 56 cards 1981 Fleer - 88 cards 1991 Pro Set Platinum - 315 cards 1991 Score Rookie and Traded - box set 2002 UD Piece of History - 100 cards 1990 Score Young Superstars - box set 1995 Action Packed Hall of Fame - 38 cards 1991-92 Fleer - 400 cards 1991-92 Fleer Pro Visions - 6 cards 1989-90 Hoops - 352 cards 1990-91 Hoops - 440 cards 1991-92 Hoops - 590 cards 1991-92 Hoops MVP All-Stars - 6 cards 1991-92 Hoops Slam Dunk - 6 cards 1991-92 Wild Card - 120 cards 1996-97 Z-Force - 200 cards 1996-97 Z-Force Cling - 100 cards 1991 AW Sports Premier Edition Boxing HOF - 149 cards 1993 Classic Four Sport - 325 cards 1996-97 Score Board All Sport PPF - 200 cards 1994 Signature Gold Standard - 100 cards http://taylorssportscards.weebly.com/baseball.html ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 14:54:51 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ron Perry Subject: Sun Times Show and Trivia Opportunity Hi OBC, I'm planning to be at the Sun Times Show tomorrow evening and for about a half day on Saturday. Pretty much a last minute decision for me that includes a business stop along the way. I remember years ago in OBC we had trivia contests with the member with thecorrect answer getting something from their wantlist. So here goes: This person is considered the finest batsman of this generation. Hint, it's not Miguel Cabrera or David Ortiz and Ron's been traveling a bit lately. First correct to copy me with the right answer gets something from their wantlist. Copy me with your answer, as I get the Ramblings in digest form. Ron Perry ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:00:30 -0500 (EST) To: obcron@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show and Trivia Opportunity Content-Language: en The finest batsman in the game today (well maybe 2 years ago) is no question Ichiro Suzuki. In a message dated 11/21/2013 5:57:57 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, obcron@yahoo.com writes: Hi OBC, I'm planning to be at the Sun Times Show tomorrow evening and for about a half day on Saturday. Pretty much a last minute decision for me that includes a business stop along the way. I remember years ago in OBC we had trivia contests with the member with the correct answer getting something from their wantlist. So here goes: This person is considered the finest batsman of this generation. Hint, it's not Miguel Cabrera or David Ortiz and Ron's been traveling a bit lately. First correct to copy me with the right answer gets something from their wantlist. Copy me with your answer, as I get the Ramblings in digest form. Ron Perry ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:12:25 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show and Trivia Opportunity Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:23:36 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Samuel E. Taylor" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times Show and Trivia Opportunity By Jiminy, this question is quite the sticky wicket... Sam Taylor ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:28:27 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ron Perry Subject: Sachin Tendulkar We have a winner: Bob Donaldson comes up with Sachin Tendulkar just a few minutes before Glenn Codere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendulkar ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 15:37:31 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sachin Tendulkar Foiled by Rapid Robert again!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Ron Perry To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:28 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sachin Tendulkar We have a winner: Bob Donaldson comes up with Sachin Tendulkar just afew minutes before Glenn Codere. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendulkar ================= Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2013 18:46:54 -0500 To: Glenn Codere From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sachin Tendulkar I knew it wasn't a BB player when he said it was not Cabrera Sent from my iPhone On Nov 21, 2013, at 6:37 PM, Glenn Codere wrote: > Foiled by Rapid Robert again!! > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: Ron Perry > To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2013 11:28 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sachin Tendulkar > We have a winner: Bob Donaldson comes up with Sachin Tendulkar just a few minutes before Glenn Codere. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tendulkar ================= Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 06:22:55 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ron Perry Subject: Sachin Tendulkar Some hits from your wantlist are in the mail. I was thinking of sending some Chikki, but you might have to explain. The closest we have to Chikki in the US is peanut brittle. Chiki uses the first cut of sugar called the jaggery that includes the brown sugar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chikki ================= Date: Fri, 22 Nov 2013 21:00:00 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: ebay favorites - exclude seller - i think i got it Content-Language: en this may work. at least it did in a trial run go to one of your followed searches, and then follow the instructions below on how to eliminate a seller (please note that you can type in more than one seller in the exclude box...just separate them with a comma and no space) when the resulting search comes up, check the follow this search tab, and it should save your old search less the newly excluded sellers the name of the search is saved as the excluded sellers, which could cause a problem. but one step at a time! let me know if this works for you In a message dated 11/19/2013 8:28:44 P.M. Central Standard Time, smartalecx@aol.com writes: this from the link that tom provided below. not automated, but when you run across a seller with 100 listings in a search that you don't want to see (e.g. dean's cards), it should help IF YOU HAVE ALREADY DONE THE SEARCH: If you have already performed a search and find it ... ahem ... cluttered with too many listings from one or more sellers, you can filter out those listings quickly. Take note of the user IDs you want to exclude, then click on the tiny Advanced Search link above the first listing on the yellow bar. Scroll down to the From Sellers section. Tick the box in front of the line that says: "From specific sellers (enter sellers' user IDs)". In the line below it, click the down-arrow and choose "Exclude." Then enter the user IDs you want to exclude. Lastly, hit the Enter key on your keyboard and your search will be performed. Note that at present there is no way to permanently exclude seller's listings; the above must be done each time. eBay administration sees no need for a seller block function (yet). In a message dated 11/19/2013 1:14:17 P.M. Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: Hi Gary, I found this: see if it works for you: http://www.ebay.com/gds/How-to-Block-a-Sellers-Listings-/10000000006694277/g Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 11:06:56 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: john harrell Subject: A tip of the OBC cap goes out from Biscuitland to: Mike Rich - who lightens my 53 and 52 Topps lists by 3 with one heck of a TCP. Included are 53's of Red Schoendienst and Roy Campanella, plus a 52 of Yankees great Allie Reynolds. Talk about 3 for the money!! Thanks Mike. Have an error-free season. ================= Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:01:45 -0500 To: obc-ramblings From: Andy Huntoon Subject: NYC Meet Up Hey Everyone out in OBC-Land, I had my first OBC meet up last night when I met up with my good buddy Jake Elwell in NYC after work. It was a short stroll from my office down to Foley's Bar. Jake suggested the place and, wow, what a place for folks like us! It's filled with baseball memorabilia all over the place and the tables have glass tops with baseball cards under the glass. ( http://foleysny.com) First off, Jake takes care of business and gets me a Guinness from the bar as I head over to the table he's got by the front windows. Next comes the OBC Handshake! My first one! I slide over an envelope across the table as if I'm making a payment to a black market dealer of something and Jake hands me a stack of hits. First he knocks off another 1976 Topps with a Ted Williams All-Time All-Stars bringing that set down to 10. Then he delivers a 1971 black beauty Willie McCovey and 9 1972 Topps including the Yaz. Lastly he included a sweet Tipton mint 1973 Topps hi with a couple of holes punched in the top. Well, we spent some time trading stories of our first year in OBC and how much we love it. We talked about cards, hockey, family, and enjoyed a couple beers. And, of course, broke out our dupes boxes and had a great time going through each other's boxes and pulling out more cardboard to exchange. I ended up with my first Kellogg's in the form of a 1977 Wayne Garland. I really like these Kellogg's and will be picking up some more and adding them to my wantlist pretty soon. I also pulled a couple 1976 Hostess, a 1954 Topps, a couple 1959 Topps, a couple 1966 Topps, 5 1971 Topps including 2 hi numbers. Jake had already pulled 15 1968 Topps for me before we got together so I didn't even have to work for those. And lastly I was able to score 10 more 1972 Topps including Johnny Bench and a few hi numbers. I know Jake was able to find a nice stack to exchange as well. I must say my first meet up was pretty awesome and we'll have to do it again soon Jake. Take care my friend. Thanks for letting me ramble so long all. OBC Rules!!! Best regards to all of you, Andy Huntoon ================= Date: Sat, 23 Nov 2013 22:04:20 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: sun times show report another great show highlighted by visits with a smaller than usual obc contingent of ron perry, mike mackie and nick pelletier. tj was really missed though, and we are really looking forward to seeing you back and better than ever at the next show my friend! a glass was raised in your honor! the other footies were missed as well. spent most of my time searching for topps variations,checklists and contest cards, blue backs and goudeys, and picked up a few of each. especially like a hornsby manager card from the 33 goudey set from kurt. knocked off 3 of the 5 remaining posts needed (anyone got a spare 63 adair or kasko?), and bought a 2013 topps football set for half the price of a jumbo box. i got to chat with kurt tourdot, ron estes, bill chappell, kevin savage and uncle dick, and really enjoy that part of the shows. i will let nick report on the interesting conversation we had with uncle dick and one of his customers, and the followup with kurt and ron estes over a few brews across the street. a nice sized but not overwhelming crowd, and i saw a lot of vintage. interestingly, nick thought there was more uv than usual. i saw more blue backs at better prices today than i saw at national. as a chicagoan, i am used to bad traffic. but the convention center traffic, now that they opened an outlet mall and entertainment district right there has made the road trip rather unpleasant, even if it is only 5 miles for me. if you drove around at national, you know what i mean. i think that's it for shows until march, and i am already making plans for cleveland in august. hoping everyone has a safe and joyous thanksgiving holiday! among the many things i am thankful for are my wonderful friends in obc! Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 07:46:57 -0800 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: San Leandro Show Report Mark Macrae and his mother started doing bi-annual shows in the San Francisco Bay area in 1984 when he was 23. Their most recent show on November 23rd in San Leandro, California, maintained the tradition of a low-key, low-cost, friendly reunion of dealers and collectors. Admission was $4 ($1 for seniors) with a $1 off coupon. Free parking is just out the door. About 35 vintage card dealers set up at 75 tables which are sold-out well in advance. It is one of those old-fashioned shows that results in about as much discussion at tables as sales. West-Coast cards are abundant with Zeenuts, Bowman PCL, Sunbeam, Mother's Cookies, and many other regional issues at several tables. I don't think I saw more than a handful of graded cards. Show dealers included conversant collector/dealers like Ron Knecht who writes about sports for his local paper in Carson City, Nevada, and sells cards so that he can collect a few more. Bill Christensen also writes for The Wrapper (a magazine for the non-sports collector which has been going since 1978). I found about as many cards I needed at this small show as I typically find at much larger shows. I picked up a 1962 Post Allison for $4, a 1949 Bowman Doby for $45, a red-backed 1962 Cepeda Exhibit for $1.50, a 1955 Topps All-American Hein for $6, a 1948 Leaf Joe Gordon for $2, a 1957 Hodges for $1.50, and all but one lousy card (#279) to almost kill off my Star Wars sets. The Allison wasn't even in OBC condition! ================= Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 08:03:40 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Thanks , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Sun Times Show Thanks & Recap Piggybacking on Gary's report, I do want to add my own. It was nice meeting up with Nick Pelletier, Gary, and Ron Perry along the way. I didn't make any major purchases (a '63 Topps Yogi Berra was my largest single purchase) but made some decent headway on my 1970s Kelloggs sets as well as some recently added Topps Basketball sets. Also completed my 1974 Topps checklists. Oh, and echoing off Gary's comments concerning 51 Topps Blue backs, I tripled the size of my collection of that set - going from one cardto three. So I guess I'm officially collecting that one now. Nick greeted me with a three pack of 51 Topps Red backs which pushes me pretty close to half the set although I didn't go back and count. He also insisted on picking up the check when we went out for a couple beverages andappetizers afterward. Thanks so much Nick. As always meeting up withfellow OBCers is the highlight of any show and I'm thankful to be a member. Happy Thanksgiving to all! Mike Mackie ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Nov 2013 20:43:33 -0700 From: Richard Labs Subject: Thankful I will have my second cataract surgery. It is scheduled for 7 in the morning. I can't wait. With the lens they are putting in the doctor says I will not need glasses to read or for distance. There is an astimatism but the doc says the new lens will take care of the problem. Needless to say I will be out of commission for tomorrow and half a day on Tuesday. I really appreciated all the encouragement for the first surgery on the other eye. Take care, Richard ================= Date: 25 Nov 2013 10:43:38 -0800 To: From: Subject: Sun Times show report ================= To: , Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 11:17:30 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report The strangling part was a viable option in my opinion. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thenamenotused@yahoo.com Sent: November-25-13 10:44 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report Time for my follow-up to Gary and Mike's message. ..... It was a decent show, with a small contingent of OBCers- Mike Mackie, Ron Perry, and Gary Mandell. It was a small group but we shared a lot of laughs. I think there was a lot of new bright shiny stuff displayed. Several of the OBC Dealers were there, Uncle Dick, JD, Ron Estes, and my ride home Kurt Tourdot. More on this group of dealers to come.... I spent a good deal of my time looking for train wreck 1952 high numbers and left the show disappointed. There were none under $125. Saturday night I did find one of the four I need at just over $50, and then there were three. Gary Mandell and I spent some time discussing my want list. In part because of that I spent Sunday walking around looking for new sets to start. I am now doing two football sets-1964 Topps and Philadelphia- and 1961-62 Fleer basketball. I am sure I will be starting more soon. Hockey for sure. Ihave already caved in to more than baseball. Now for the aggravation of the show, a rant, and some of the conversation afterword's. Later Saturday afternoon Gary and I were at Uncle Dicks table digging around. We were talking with Uncle Dick about cards, life, OBC, and anything else. Some random guy next to Gary decides to make himself partof our conversation from time to time. As we were talking OBC, Gary turnsto this random guy and asks if he has heard of OBC. This guy responds that he has heard of us and he doesn't like us. The reason.....He thinks all OBCers are "assholes" because a dealer told him we were. Allegedly this dealer told him that because we do not want to pay more than 10% for a card and only beat down dealers. Uncle Dick was quick to jump in and talk about how good the OBCers are to him. Gary and I left because it was a better choice than strangling this guy. We walked around for a few minutes before meeting up with Mike. We walked across the street to Gibsons for a beverage. Not long after that Kurt Tourdot joined us at Gibsons. We told him the story of this person. Kurt agrees with Uncle Dick that this guy was wrong. Ron Estes happened to be at the table right next to us. Ron also chimed into the conversation. Kurtand Ron both say they have never heard anything like that. We do not know where this guy got his information from. My thought is IF this dealer exists he only sells high grade. We also think this random guy was a real clown. I wasn't going to let him ruin my show. Gary, Mike, andI-later with Kurt Tourdot, and Ron had some good laughs about him at Gibsons. The beer was cold. Th e camaraderie was great. The sliders were delicious. I cant wait for the next show and OBC get together. OBC is great! Nick Pelletier No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6866 - Release Date: 11/25/13 ================= Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 14:49:06 -0500 (EST) To: grains@shaw.ca, thenamenotused@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report Content-Language: en the strangling was seriously considered, but it looked like this guy was going to drop some good coin on uncle dick, and i didn't want to ruin the sale! and to be honest, nick's description of the guy and what he said was going too easy on him. was nice to see uncle dick step in without being asked! kurt did bring up a good point though. as most of us obc'ers started or make topps a big part of the collection, that stuff is relatively easy for dealers to find, and they have no problem giving obc discounts. but as many of us obc vets soon find out, our wantlists all start to look the same. so when we add non-topps sets, the inventory floating around isnt as great, and the dealers cant "give it away" as easily. not that any dealer gives anything away, but i think kurt's point is that there is a lot less wiggle room for dealers on non-topps stuff. if we are expecting the same discounts as we were getting on topps, it COULD rub SOME dealers the wrong way. i still think it is few and far between (even the guy at national said he old a lot to obc). anyway, the beers right after dealing with that jerk was a great idea, and turned it into a rather enjoyable time. all except the bar being out of potato skins! In a message dated 11/25/2013 1:18:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, grains@shaw.ca writes: The strangling part was a viable option in my opinion. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thenamenotused@yahoo.com Sent: November-25-13 10:44 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report Time for my follow-up to Gary and Mike's message. ..... It was a decent show, with a small contingent of OBCers- Mike Mackie, Ron Perry, and Gary Mandell. It was a small group but we shared a lot of I think there was a lot of new bright shiny stuff displayed. Several of the OBC Dealers were there, Uncle Dick, JD, Ron Estes, and my ride home Kurt Tourdot. More on this group of dealers to come.... I spent a good deal of my time looking for train wreck 1952 high numbers and left the show disappointed. There were none under $125. Saturday night I did find one of the four I need at just over $50, and then there were Gary Mandell and I spent some time discussing my want list. In part because of that I spent Sunday walking around looking for new sets to start. am now doing two football sets-1964 Topps and Philadelphia- and 1961-62 Fleer basketball. I am sure I will be starting more soon. Hockey for sure. I have already caved in to more than baseball. Now for the aggravation of the show, a rant, and some of the conversation afterword's. Later Saturday afternoon Gary and I were at Uncle Dicks table digging around. We were talking with Uncle Dick about cards, life, OBC, and anything else. Some random guy next to Gary decides to make himself part of our conversation from time to time. As we were talking OBC, Gary turns to this random guy and asks if he has heard of OBC. This guy responds that he has heard of us and he doesn't like us. The reason.....He thinks all OBCers are "assholes" because a dealer told him we were. Allegedly this dealer told him that because we do not want to pay more than 10% for a card and only beat down dealers. Uncle Dick was quick to jump in and talk about how good the OBCers are to him. Gary and I left because it was a better choice than strangling this guy. We walked around for a few minutes before meeting up with Mike. We walked across the street to Gibsons for a beverage. Not long after that Kurt Tourdot joined us at Gibsons. We told him the story of this person. Kurt agrees with Uncle Dick that this guy was wrong. Ron Estes happened to be at the table right next to us. Ron also chimed into the conversation. Kurt and Ron both say they have never heard anything like that. We do not know where this guy got his information from. My thought is IF this dealer exists he only sells high grade. We also think this random guy was a real clown. I wasn't going to let him ruin my show.&n bsp; Gary, Mike, and I-later with Kurt Tourdot, and Ron had some good laughs about him at Gibsons. The beer was cold. Th e camaraderie was great. The sliders were delicious. I cant wait for the next show and OBC get together. OBC is great! Nick Pelletier _thenamenotused@yahoo.com_ (mailto:thenamenotused@yahoo.com) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - _www.avg.com_ (http://www.avg.com/) Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6866 - Release Date: 11/25/13 ================= To: , , , Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:24:58 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report How do you run out of potato skins? - shrimp, steak cuts, even certain beers on tap, yes - but potatoes?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 2:49 PM To: grains@shaw.ca; thenamenotused@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report the strangling was seriously considered, but it looked like this guy was going to drop some good coin on uncle dick, and i didn't want to ruin the sale! and to be honest, nick's description of the guy and what he said was going too easy on him. was nice to see uncle dick step in without being asked! kurt did bring up a good point though. as most of us obc'ers started or make topps a big part of the collection, that stuff is relatively easy for dealers to find, and they have no problem giving obc discounts. but as many of us obc vets soon find out, our wantlists all start to look the same. so when we add non-topps sets, the inventory floating around isnt as great, and the dealers cant "give it away" as easily. not that any dealer gives anything away, but i think kurt's point is that there is a lot less wiggle room for dealers on non-topps stuff. if we are expecting the same discounts as we were getting on topps, it COULD rub SOME dealers the wrong way. i still think it is few and far between (even the guy at national said he old a lot to obc). anyway, the beers right after dealing with that jerk was a great idea, and turned it into a rather enjoyable time. all except the bar being out of potato skins! In a message dated 11/25/2013 1:18:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, grains@shaw.ca writes: The strangling part was a viable option in my opinion. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thenamenotused@yahoo.com Sent: November-25-13 10:44 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report Time for my follow-up to Gary and Mike's message. ..... It was a decent show, with a small contingent of OBCers- Mike Mackie, Ron Perry, and Gary Mandell. It was a small group but we shared a lot of I think there was a lot of new bright shiny stuff displayed. Several of the OBC Dealers were there, Uncle Dick, JD, Ron Estes, and my ride home Kurt Tourdot. More on this group of dealers to come.... I spent a good deal of my time looking for train wreck 1952 high numbers and left the show disappointed. There were none under $125. Saturday night I did find one of the four I need at just over $50, and then there were three. Gary Mandell and I spent some time discussing my want list. In part because of that I spent Sunday walking around looking for new sets to start. I am now doing two football sets-1964 Topps and Philadelphia- and 1961-62 Fleer basketball. I am sure I will be starting more soon. Hockey for sure. I have already caved in to more than baseball. Now for the aggravation of the show, a rant, and some of the conversation afterword's. Later Saturday afternoon Gary and I were at Uncle Dicks table digging around. We were talking with Uncle Dick about cards, life, OBC, and anything else. Some random guy next to Gary decides to make himself part of our conversation from time to time. As we were talking OBC, Gary turns to this random guy and asks if he has heard of OBC. This guy responds that he has heard of us and he doesn't like us. The reason.....He thinks all OBCers are "assholes" because a dealer told him we were. Allegedly this dealer told him that because we do not want to pay more than 10% for a card and only beat down dealers. Uncle Dick was quick to jump in and talk about how good the OBCers are to him. Gary and I left because it was a better choice than strangling this guy. We walked around for a few minutes before meeting up with Mike. We walked across the street to Gibsons for a beverage. Not long after that Kurt Tourdot joined us at Gibsons. We told him the story of this person. Kurt agrees with Uncle Dick that this guy was wrong. Ron Estes happened to be at the table right next to us. Ron also chimed into the conversation. Kurt and Ron both say they have never heard anything like that. We do not know where this guy got his information from. My thought is IF this dealer exists he only sells high grade. We also think this random guy was a real clown. I wasn't going to let him ruin my show.&n bsp; Gary, Mike, and I-later with Kurt Tourdot, and Ron had some good laughs about him at Gibsons. The beer was cold. Th e camaraderie was great. The sliders were delicious. I cant wait for the next show and OBC get together. OBC is great! Nick Pelletier No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6866 - Release Date: 11/25/13 ================= Date: 25 Nov 2013 16:27:01 -0800 To: From: Subject: Finally back on line ================= Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 16:31:01 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ron Perry Subject: Sun Times Show Report Hi OBC, Met up with Gary, Mike, and Nick at the Sun Times Show on Saturday. The show was decent as usual and major hits to the want list included six 1933 Goudey HOF'ers, 1948 Bowman Feller, 1952 Bowman Burdette (only need three more to complete) and a Dr. J Rookie. I also picked up a group lot of 1961 Fleer World Champion Pennant Decals and the 70/71 Havlicek to complete the ================= Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 18:19:23 -0800 (PST) To: "yudts5@verizon.net" , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report My theory is that our first waitress must have known the jerk at Uncle Dick's table or the "dealer" who doesn't like us. She took one look at myOBC hat and, perhaps fearing we wouldn't leave more than a 10% tip,sent another waitress over to deal with us. I can't be sure, but I thought I heard her say "tell them we are out of potato skins" or something along those lines. From: Matt Yudt To: smartalecx@aol.com; grains@shaw.ca; thenamenotused@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report How do you run out of potato skins? - shrimp, steak cuts, even certain beers on tap, yes - but potatoes?? [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 25, 2013 2:49 PM To: grains@shaw.ca; thenamenotused@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report the stranglingwas seriously considered, but it looked like this guy was going to drop some good coin on uncle dick, and i didn't want to ruin the sale! and to be honest, nick's description of the guy and what he said was going too easy on him. was nice to see uncle dick step in without being asked! kurt did bring up a good point though. as most of us obc'ers started or make topps a big part of the collection, that stuff is relatively easy for dealers to find, and they have problem giving obc discounts. but as many of us obc vets soon find out, our wantlists all start to look the same. so when we add non-topps sets, the inventory floating around isnt as great, and the dealers cant "give it away" as easily. not that any dealer gives anything away, but i think kurt's point is that there is a lot less wiggle room for dealers non-topps stuff. if we are expecting the same discounts as we were getting on topps, it COULD rub SOME dealers the wrong way. i still think it is few and far between (even the guy at national said he old a lot to obc). anyway, the beers right after dealing with that jerk was a great idea, and turned it into a rather enjoyable time. all except the bar being out of potato skins! In a message dated 11/25/2013 1:18:43 P.M. Central Standard Time, grains@shaw.ca writes: >The strangling part was a viable option in my opinion. >From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of thenamenotused@yahoo.com >Sent: November-25-13 10:44 AM >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Sun Times show report >Time for my follow-up to Gary and Mike's message...... >It was a decent show, with a small contingent of OBCers- Mike Mackie, Ron Perry , and Gary Mandell. It was a small group but we shared a lot of laughs. >I think there was a lot of new bright shiny stuff displayed. Several of the OBC Dealers were there, Uncle Dick, JD, Ron Estes, and my ride home Kurt Tourdot. More on this group of dealers to >I spent a good deal of my time looking for train wreck 1952 high numbers and left the show disappointed. There were none under $125. Saturday night I did find one of the four I need at just over $50, and then there were three. >Gary Mandell and I spent some time discussing my want list. In part because of that I spent Sunday walking around looking for new sets to start. I am now doing two football sets-1964 Topps and Philadelphia- and 1961-62 Fleer basketball. I am sure I will be starting more soon. Hockey for sure. I have already caved in to more than >Now for the aggravation of the show, a rant, and some of the conversation afterword's. LaterSaturday afternoon Gary and I were at Uncle Dicks table digging around. We were talking with Uncle Dick about cards, life, OBC, and anything else. Some random guy next to Gary decides to make himself part of our conversation from time to time. As were talking OBC, Gary turns to this random guy and asks if he has heard of OBC. This guy responds that he has heard of us and he doesn't like us. The reason.....He thinks all OBCers are "assholes" because a dealer told him we were. Allegedly this dealer told him that because we do not want to pay more than 10% for a card and only beat down dealers. >Uncle Dick was quick to jump in and talk about how good the OBCers are to him. Gary and I left because it was a better choice than strangling this guy. We walked around for a few minutes before meeting up with Mike. We walked across the street to Gibsons for beverage. Not long after that Kurt Tourdot joined us at Gibsons. told him the story of this person. Kurt agrees with Uncle Dick that this guy was wrong. Ron Estes happened to be at the table right next to us. Ron also chimed into the conversation. Kurt and Ron both say they have never heard anything like that. >We do not know where this guy got his information from. My thought is IF this dealer exists he only sells high grade. We also think this random guy was a real clown. I wasn't going to let him ruin my show.&n bsp; Gary , Mike, and I-later with Kurt Tourdot, and Ron had some good laughs about himat Gibsons. The beer was cold. Th e camaraderie was great. The sliders were delicious. I cant wait for the next show and OBC get >OBC is great! >Nick Pelletier >No virus found in this message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 2014.0.4158 / Virus Database: 3629/6866 - Release Date: 11/25/13 ================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:34:58 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: Gurus Random Ramble During the 2012 National Convention in Baltimore, I expanded my wantlist toinclude basketball, football, and hockey sets 1981 and older. And the lastcouple of years have been some of the most enjoyable in terms of my card collecting. When I look at my wantlist today, I=92m amazed at the progress Ihave made on these sets! 70s Hockey is complete, and I need just one card to accomplish the same feat in basketball cards (one of the 80-81 Larry Bird RCs). Just a handful of 1971 football remain along with several 1972 Topps football high numbers, and I=92ve made good progress on the 50s and 60s Topps football sets too. 1956 Topps football completed, need five 1958s, six1960, twenty-five 1965 =93tall boys=94 (I just cant resist these), nine 1966, four 1967 etc etc. I think what is most amazing is that I have been able to accomplish this while not going broke! Oh and can I just say how amazing 1954 Topps hockey cards are? I think this has been a VERY good couple of years to be a buyer:) I=92ve had extra money available, and pulled the trigger a few times on some larger collections. Of course OBC has helped a ton too! As I sent out my duplicates, my mailbox has never seen such action! It=92s been fun. I=92ve been retired almost three years now, and I have alot more time to spend with my cards. Since I have all these new sets going, I had to totally rearrange how I display my collection. Almost all of my cards are back in cardboard boxes, binders just take up to much room:) When OBC packages arrive, I sit down and compose a thanks message to the thanks server, update mywantlist, look over the new cards, and then transfer them to their new home. I=92m like a machine:) Heres another random thought: When I=92m done with the thanks, updating my wantlist, and enjoying the card for a bit, it=92s time to put the card awayinto its box. Lets say the card is a 1965 Topps hockey #117 Chiko Maki. I always imagine all the other 1965 Topps hockey cards saying =93Hey Guys, it=92s Chiko!=94 Almost a Field of Dreams kind of moment I know this is weird:) But hey I grew up in California during the 60s:) T205 and T206 For years I watched Ken Burns =93Baseball=94 and always wondered why I do not collect any cards from the early 1900s. I sought counsel with a couple of OBC members who know their stuff, and I really started going after these during this years national convention in Chicago. T206 I purchased a full reprint set on eBay and put the reprint set into a binder with 15 pocket sheets. As I pick up original T206s, the reprint getspulled out and the original takes its place. I think whenever I get the chance to share my collection with someone (and this does not happen NEARLY enough) the T206 binder will be my first stop. Again I think it=92s been a good time to be a buyer, and I=92ve pulled the trigger on a few large lots over the past couple months. I=92m at 165 different original T206 cards with9 HOF and 7 Southern Leaguers, and they look SWEET in their binder! I=92m on the Net54 board nearly everyday, not really posting messages, just looking and learning. And buying too LOL! T205 I have 30 different cards in my collection. I was shopping for a reprint set until I visited Genos house several weeks ago, and saw how nice these cards look SLABBED IN SGC HOLDERS there I said it! Fifteen of my T205s are slabbed and graded SGC 10 POOR, and I think in the next few weeks I am going to send in the =93raw=94 T205s for grading. I saw where SGC has a special going on where they will slab the cards for $7 each. One of the T205s isin a PSA holder which I will crack open and send in to SGC:) Thanks to what I am learning over at Net54 I participated in my first auction (not including Ebay) and won a lot of four SGC 10 POOR T205s. On the personal side I am happy and healthy here in NE Florida. I=92ve missed working NOT ONE SINGLE BIT! My daughter went through a divorce, so as a single mom with three kids I help her as much as I can. My youngest son just had a baby so the grandkid count is at six now:) I started volunteering at the Jacksonville City Rescue Mission downtown and this has been a real blessing to me. I work in the administrative area as an assistant and work with the mail and do a bunch of data input stuff. I was there just once a week, but during the holidays because people here are so generous with donations I am working two times a week through the new year. I also get to eat lunch with some of the students in their recovery program, the best part of my day. I don=92t know where this is leading me? Happy Thanksgiving to all my OBC brothers! ================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:22:37 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jake Elwell Subject: Discounted baseball books Guys - Taylor, Scarecrow and Ivan Dee all have baseball books on their lists -- some of them HTF -- and this is a pretty nice discount, probably better than Amazon. Begin forwarded message: > From: "Rowman & Littlefield " > Subject: A Special Offer from Rowman & Littlefield > Date: November 26, 2013 10:00:47 AM EST > To: jelwell8@earthlink.net > If you're having trouble viewing this email, you may see it online. > Share This: > This email was sent to jelwell8@earthlink.net. To ensure that you continue receiving our emails, please add us to your address book or safe list. > manage your preferences | opt out using TrueRemove=AE. > Got this as a forward? Sign up to receive our future emails. ================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:50:53 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Available: Ted Williams cards from the Griffin Museum Spent part of Saturday at the nearby Arthur Griffin Museum of Photography, founded by the longtime cameraman who also worked extensively with Ted Williams. Picked up a batch of Griffin's photo cards of Williams (normal size, not postcards) to share with OBCers. Sing out if you'd like some! ================= Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:21:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1956T Clemente on COMC - $32 http://www.comc.com/Users/KEITH6900/Cards/Baseball/1956/Topps/33/Roberto_Clemente/1804268/REVIEWED/COMC/Poor ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 18:47:32 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Tradelist and new sets Adding a few sets to the wantlist...not up yet, but if you have any from these sets, happy to trade for them: New sets: 1941 Double Plays (whole cards only), 1921 Exhibits, T222's, and 1971-72 OPC Hockey. I'll probably add a 50's/60's football set too, so if someone has a starter, let me know. Other stuff on my list...or not on mylist is welcome too...let me know. A few items available for trade: T202 Chance Beats out a Hit (Shean/Chance) T202 Engle in a Close Play (Speaker/Engle) T202 Lots of Center Panels and End Pieces t205 20 card common lot t205 Wiltse (one ear) t205 Donohue t205 He. Wagner T205 Cicotte T205 Chance T205 Brown T205 Speaker T205 Dougherty (red sock) T205 Fisher T205 Turner T205 Barger (partial) T205 Vaughn T205 Grant T205 Scanlan T205 Rowan T205 Chase (one ear) T205 Suggs T205 Raymond T205 Hoblitzell (no cin, name correct and name incorrect) T205 Wolter (cycle back) T205 Wallace (no cap, two lines) T206 Charles T206 Kleinow (Boston) T206 Jennings (two hands) T206 Evers (port) T206 Covaleski, Fiene, Knight, McQuillan, Titus T206 Baker T207 Livingston (A) T207 Drake T207 Herzog P2 Pins: Thomas LL, Gibson LL, Parent, Duffy SL, Ferguson, Bell LL, CamnitzLL, Bender SL, Hooper D304 Evers (chicago) E90-1 Stanage E90-1 Summers E90-1 Howell (follow through) E90-1 Hartzell fielding E90-1 Butler E90-1 Stone (no hands) E90-1 Marquard E90-1 Groom E90-1 Dygert E90-1 Criger E90-1 Heitmuller E90-1 Engle E91 Leach E91 Reulbach E91 Murray E92 Miller E96 Tinker E96 Jennings E97 Birmingham 1914 Cracker Jack #49 Miller 1914 Cracker Jack #11 Stovall 1941 Double Play (williams/cronin) 1958 Aaron (yellow) 1965 OPC Aaron #170 1971 OPC Mays #600 1971 OPC High Number Group of 35 Prizes for reading this far...claim away: T205 Chase (beater) 38G: 271 48 B: #43 51B: 61, 307 52B: 221 59 Fleer Ted Williams #4 60 Topps #50 Kaline 63 Salada Coins: 25 26 29 43 45 49 ================= Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 13:03:42 -0600 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: MarkZ Subject: Re: Gurus Random Ramble Talking baseball cards? Sounds like a good idea to add to next toy story movie since those toys talk! Mark Zentkovich Sent from mark z ipod ================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:44:18 -0500 To: "hoot_owl1@verizon.net" From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy Thanksgiving OBC Sent from my iPhone On Nov 28, 2013, at 8:42 AM, hoot_owl1@verizon.net wrote: > It is early Thanksgiving morning, and as usual, I am up by myself. Early mornings are really the only quiet time around here (even more so, as my oldest daughter is home from college). Normally I watch some ESPN highlights, have my coffee and do a quick eBay search. There was a story on ESPN about a blind long snapper playing high school football in California. Pretty unbelievable story--on how the kid was "adopted" by the Pete Carroll USCTrojans four or five years ago. It also made me thank my lucky stars--healthy kids; a decent job; a wife who puts up with me; eye sight; blue skies;family; and on and on. > Happy Thanksgiving OBC! A childhood hobby and a love of the GAME turned into an adult escape--helped by a number of kindred spirits and an online family. > Keep the faith TJ and keep fighting.... > peter mead ================= To: larrytipton@windstream.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:55:57 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble Other than the slabbing of cards, this sounds like an almost idyllic lifestyle. he cards talking to each other is merely an extension o four comments about cards "along for the ride", or to "keep so and so company", when wepost thanks. Guru's progress on the non-BB areas of sports cards, furtherreinforces the decision I made as a kid to collect all sports, and the more recent (13 years ago) decision to start working on pre-war sets. While it is always a joy (and gives us even more reason to give Thanks as I post this on Thanksgiving) to complete sets, it is the joy in pursuing these sets, after working on the basic Topps BB sets. Guru will next learn to go after all the insert and oddball issues. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:35 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble During the 2012 National Convention in Baltimore, I expanded my wantlist toinclude basketball, football, and hockey sets 1981 and older. And the lastcouple of years have been some of the most enjoyable in terms of my card collecting. When I look at my wantlist today, I=E2=99m amazed at the progress I have made on these sets! 70s Hockey is complete, and I need just onecard to accomplish the same feat in basketball cards (one of the 80-81 Larry Bird RCs). Just a handful of 1971 football remain along with several 1972 Topps football high numbers, and I=E2=99ve made good progress on the 50s and 60s Topps football sets too. 1956 Topps football completed, need five 1958s, six 1960, twenty-five 1965 =E2=9Ctall boys=E2=9D (I just cant resist these), nine 1966, four 1967 etc etc. I think what is most amazingis that I have been able to accomplish this while not going broke! Oh and can I just say how amazing 1954 Topps hockey cards are? I think this has been a VERY good couple of years to be a buyer:) I=E2=99ve had extra money available, and pulled the trigger a few times on somelarger collections. Of course OBC has helped a ton too! As I sent out my duplicates, my mailbox has never seen such action! It=E2=99s been fun. I=E2=99ve been retired almost three years now, and I have alot more timeto spend with my cards. Since I have all these new sets going, I had to totally rearrange how I display my collection. Almost all of my cards are back in cardboard boxes, binders just take up to much room:) When OBC packagesarrive, I sit down and compose a thanks message to the thanks server, update my wantlist, look over the new cards, and then transfer them to their new home. I=E2=99m like a machine:) Heres another random thought: When I=E2=99m done with the thanks, updating my wantlist, and enjoying the card for a bit, it=E2=99s time to put the card away into its box. Lets say the card is a 1965 Topps hockey #117 Chiko Maki. I always imagine all the other 1965 Topps hockey cards saying =E2=9CHey Guys, it=E2=99s Chiko!=E2=9D Almost a Field of Dreams kind of moment I know this is weird:) But hey I grew up in California during the60s:) T205 and T206 For years I watched Ken Burns =E2=9CBaseball=E2=9D and always wondered why I do not collect any cards from the early 1900s. I sought counsel with a couple of OBC members who know their stuff, and I really started going after these during this years national convention in Chicago. T206 I purchased a full reprint set on eBay and put the reprint set into a binder with 15 pocket sheets. As I pick up original T206s, the reprint getspulled out and the original takes its place. I think whenever I get the chance to share my collection with someone (and this does not happen NEARLY enough) the T206 binder will be my first stop. Again I think it=E2=99s been a good time to be a buyer, and I=E2=99ve pulled the trigger on a few large lots over the past couple months. I=E2=99m at 165 different original T206 cards with 9 HOF and 7 Southern Leaguers, and they look SWEET in their binder! I=E2=99m on the Net54 board nearly everyday, not really posting messages, just looking and learning. And buying too LOL! T205 I have 30 different cards in my collection. I was shopping for a reprint set until I visited Genos house several weeks ago, and saw how nice these cards look SLABBED IN SGC HOLDERS there I said it! Fifteen of my T205s are slabbed and graded SGC 10 POOR, and I think in the next few weeks I am going to send in the =E2=9Craw=E2=9D T205s for grading. I saw where SGChas a special going on where they will slab the cards for $7 each. One of the T205s is in a PSA holder which I will crack open and send in to SGC:) Thanks to what I am learning over at Net54 I participated in my first auction (not including Ebay) and won a lot of four SGC 10 POOR T205s. On the personal side I am happy and healthy here in NE Florida. I=E2=99ve missed working NOT ONE SINGLE BIT! My daughter went through a divorce, soas a single mom with three kids I help her as much as I can. My youngest son just had a baby so the grandkid count is at six now:) I started volunteering at the Jacksonville City Rescue Mission downtown and this has been a real blessing to me. I work in the administrative area as an assistant and work with the mail and do a bunch of data input stuff. I was there just oncea week, but during the holidays because people here are so generous with donations I am working two times a week through the new year. I also get to eat lunch with some of the students in their recovery program, the best part of my day. I don=E2=99t know where this is leading me? Happy Thanksgiving to all my OBC brothers! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:27 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble ================= To: "illini_grad_90@yahoo.com" , Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 11:37:17 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble Relatively speaking, the slabbing of cards makes a whole lot more sense than the slabbing of comics. I doubt many people collect cards for their edges, but quite a few collect comics to actual OPEN and READ. :) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:27 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble I knew I'd get a slabbing comment! I don't really care about the grades, but those T205s look really nice in those SGC holders with the black background. The PSA one's are ugly. The nice thing is, I can crack them out if Ilike...so it's not all bad. Take a look at an auction catalog with an SGCT205 and you'll see what I mean... Happy T-Day! Sent via BlackBerry by AT&TFrom: mikesportsfan@aol.com Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:55:57 -0500 (EST)To: ; Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble Other than the slabbing of cards, this sounds like an almost idyllic lifestyle. he cards talking to each other is merely an extension o four comments about cards "along for the ride", or to "keep so and so company", when wepost thanks. Guru's progress on the non-BB areas of sports cards, furtherreinforces the decision I made as a kid to collect all sports, and the more recent (13 years ago) decision to start working on pre-war sets. While it is always a joy (and gives us even more reason to give Thanks as I post this on Thanksgiving) to complete sets, it is the joy in pursuing these sets, after working on the basic Topps BB sets. Guru will next learn to go after all the insert and oddball issues. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:35 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble During the 2012 National Convention in Baltimore, I expanded my wantlist toinclude basketball, football, and hockey sets 1981 and older. And the lastcouple of years have been some of the most enjoyable in terms of my card collecting. When I look at my wantlist today, I=92m amazed at the progress Ihave made on these sets! 70s Hockey is complete, and I need just one card to accomplish the same feat in basketball cards (one of the 80-81 Larry Bird RCs). Just a handful of 1971 football remain along with several 1972 Topps football high numbers, and I=92ve made good progress on the 50s and 60s Topps football sets too. 1956 Topps football completed, need five 1958s, six1960, twenty-five 1965 =93tall boys=94 (I just cant resist these), nine 1966, four 1967 etc etc. I think what is most amazing is that I have been able to accomplish this while not going broke! Oh and can I just say how amazing 1954 Topps hockey cards are? I think this has been a VERY good couple of years to be a buyer:) I=92ve had extra money available, and pulled the trigger a few times on some larger collections. Of course OBC has helped a ton too! As I sent out my duplicates, my mailbox has never seen such action! It=92s been fun. I=92ve been retired almost three years now, and I have alot more time to spend with my cards. Since I have all these new sets going, I had to totally rearrange how I display my collection. Almost all of my cards are back in cardboard boxes, binders just take up to much room:) When OBC packages arrive, I sit down and compose a thanks message to the thanks server, update mywantlist, look over the new cards, and then transfer them to their new home. I=92m like a machine:) Heres another random thought: When I=92m done with the thanks, updating my wantlist, and enjoying the card for a bit, it=92s time to put the card awayinto its box. Lets say the card is a 1965 Topps hockey #117 Chiko Maki. I always imagine all the other 1965 Topps hockey cards saying =93Hey Guys, it=92s Chiko!=94 Almost a Field of Dreams kind of moment I know this is weird:) But hey I grew up in California during the 60s:) T205 and T206 For years I watched Ken Burns =93Baseball=94 and always wondered why I do not collect any cards from the early 1900s. I sought counsel with a couple of OBC members who know their stuff, and I really started going after these during this years national convention in Chicago. T206 I purchased a full reprint set on eBay and put the reprint set into a binder with 15 pocket sheets. As I pick up original T206s, the reprint getspulled out and the original takes its place. I think whenever I get the chance to share my collection with someone (and this does not happen NEARLY enough) the T206 binder will be my first stop. Again I think it=92s been a good time to be a buyer, and I=92ve pulled the trigger on a few large lots over the past couple months. I=92m at 165 different original T206 cards with9 HOF and 7 Southern Leaguers, and they look SWEET in their binder! I=92m on the Net54 board nearly everyday, not really posting messages, just looking and learning. And buying too LOL! T205 I have 30 different cards in my collection. I was shopping for a reprint set until I visited Genos house several weeks ago, and saw how nice these cards look SLABBED IN SGC HOLDERS there I said it! Fifteen of my T205s are slabbed and graded SGC 10 POOR, and I think in the next few weeks I am going to send in the =93raw=94 T205s for grading. I saw where SGC has a special going on where they will slab the cards for $7 each. One of the T205s isin a PSA holder which I will crack open and send in to SGC:) Thanks to what I am learning over at Net54 I participated in my first auction (not including Ebay) and won a lot of four SGC 10 POOR T205s. On the personal side I am happy and healthy here in NE Florida. I=92ve missed working NOT ONE SINGLE BIT! My daughter went through a divorce, so as a single mom with three kids I help her as much as I can. My youngest son just had a baby so the grandkid count is at six now:) I started volunteering at the Jacksonville City Rescue Mission downtown and this has been a real blessing to me. I work in the administrative area as an assistant and work with the mail and do a bunch of data input stuff. I was there just once a week, but during the holidays because people here are so generous with donations I am working two times a week through the new year. I also get to eat lunch with some of the students in their recovery program, the best part of my day. I don=92t know where this is leading me? Happy Thanksgiving to all my OBC brothers! ================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 13:10:39 -0500 To: Taylor Schock From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble Totally agree - I semi collect comics from the 60s and 70s and cannot fathom buying that I cannot read! Sent from my iPad On Nov 28, 2013, at 11:37 AM, Taylor Schock wrote: > Relatively speaking, the slabbing of cards makes a whole lot more sense than the slabbing of comics. I doubt many people collect cards for their edges, but quite a few collect comics to actual OPEN and READ. :) > Regards, > Taylor > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 15:10:27 +0000 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble > I knew I'd get a slabbing comment! I don't really care about the grades, but those T205s look really nice in those SGC holders with the black background. The PSA one's are ugly. The nice thing is, I can crack them out if I like...so it's not all bad. Take a look at an auction catalog with an SGC T205 and you'll see what I mean... > Happy T-Day! > Geno > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T > From: mikesportsfan@aol.com > Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 09:55:57 -0500 (EST) > To: ; > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble > Other than the slabbing of cards, this sounds like an almost idyllic lifestyle. he cards talking to each other is merely an extension o four comments about cards "along for the ride", or to "keep so and so company", when we post thanks. Guru's progress on the non-BB areas of sports cards, further reinforces the decision I made as a kid to collect all sports, and the more recent (13 years ago) decision to start working on pre-war sets. Whileit is always a joy (and gives us even more reason to give Thanks as I postthis on Thanksgiving) to complete sets, it is the joy in pursuing these sets, after working on the basic Topps BB sets. Guru will next learn to go after all the insert and oddball issues. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: Larry Tipton > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Tue, Nov 26, 2013 9:35 am > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble > During the 2012 National Convention in Baltimore, I expanded my wantlist to include basketball, football, and hockey sets 1981 and older. And the last couple of years have been some of the most enjoyable in terms of my cardcollecting. When I look at my wantlist today, I=E2=99m amazed at the progress I have made on these sets! 70s Hockey is complete, and I need just one card to accomplish the same feat in basketball cards (one of the 80-81 Larry Bird RCs). Just a handful of 1971 football remain along with several 1972 Topps football high numbers, and I=E2=99ve made good progress on the50s and 60s Topps football sets too. 1956 Topps football completed, need five 1958s, six 1960, twenty-five 1965 =E2=9Ctall boys=E2=9D (I just cant resist these), nine 1966, four 1967 etc etc. I think what is most amazing is that I have been able to accomplish this while not going broke! Oh and can I just say how amazing 1954 Topps hockey cards are? > I think this has been a VERY good couple of years to be a buyer:) I=E2=99ve had extra money available, and pulled the trigger a few times on somelarger collections. Of course OBC has helped a ton too! As I sent out my duplicates, my mailbox has never seen such action! It=E2=99s been fun. > I=E2=99ve been retired almost three years now, and I have alot more time to spend with my cards. Since I have all these new sets going, I had to totally rearrange how I display my collection. Almost all of my cards are back in cardboard boxes, binders just take up to much room:) When OBC packages arrive, I sit down and compose a thanks message to the thanks server, update my wantlist, look over the new cards, and then transfer them to theirnew home. I=E2=99m like a machine:) > Heres another random thought: When I=E2=99m done with the thanks, updating my wantlist, and enjoying the card for a bit, it=E2=99s time to putthe card away into its box. Lets say the card is a 1965 Topps hockey #117 Chiko Maki. I always imagine all the other 1965 Topps hockey cards saying =E2=9CHey Guys, it=E2=99s Chiko!=E2=9D Almost a Field of Dreams kind of moment I know this is weird:) But hey I grew up in California during the > T205 and T206 > For years I watched Ken Burns =E2=9CBaseball=E2=9D and always wondered why I do not collect any cards from the early 1900s. I sought counsel with a couple of OBC members who know their stuff, and I really started going after these during this years national convention in Chicago. > T206 I purchased a full reprint set on eBay and put the reprint set into a binder with 15 pocket sheets. As I pick up original T206s, the reprint gets pulled out and the original takes its place. I think whenever I get the chance to share my collection with someone (and this does not happen NEARLYenough) the T206 binder will be my first stop. Again I think it=E2=99s been a good time to be a buyer, and I=E2=99ve pulled the trigger on a few large lots over the past couple months. I=E2=99m at 165 different original T206 cards with 9 HOF and 7 Southern Leaguers, and they look SWEET in their binder! I=E2=99m on the Net54 board nearly everyday, not really posting messages, just looking and learning. And buying too LOL! > T205 I have 30 different cards in my collection. I was shopping for a reprint set until I visited Genos house several weeks ago, and saw how nice these cards look SLABBED IN SGC HOLDERS there I said it! Fifteen of my T205s are slabbed and graded SGC 10 POOR, and I think in the next few weeks I am going to send in the =E2=9Craw=E2=9D T205s for grading. I saw where SGC has a special going on where they will slab the cards for $7 each. One of the T205s is in a PSA holder which I will crack open and send in to SGC:)Thanks to what I am learning over at Net54 I participated in my first auction (not including Ebay) and won a lot of four SGC 10 POOR T205s. > On the personal side I am happy and healthy here in NE Florida. I=E2=99ve missed working NOT ONE SINGLE BIT! My daughter went through a divorce, so as a single mom with three kids I help her as much as I can. My youngest son just had a baby so the grandkid count is at six now:) I started volunteering at the Jacksonville City Rescue Mission downtown and this has beena real blessing to me. I work in the administrative area as an assistant and work with the mail and do a bunch of data input stuff. I was there just once a week, but during the holidays because people here are so generous with donations I am working two times a week through the new year. I also getto eat lunch with some of the students in their recovery program, the bestpart of my day. I don=E2=99t know where this is leading me? > Happy Thanksgiving to all my OBC brothers! > Guru ================= Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 14:32:17 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Jake Elwell Subject: Completely random Thankgiving waivers 68-80 Take em away, boys, & don't forget your mailing address. Happy Turkey to all at OBC, 1968: 23 23 64 79 92 1969: 391 1971: 52 80 80 104 110 127 130 173 245 275 360 1975: 152 513 1979 OPC: 47 219 219 1980: 128 ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2013 20:30:37 -0500 (EST) From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: New Sets added Its been a couple of years since adding new set to the wantlist so today I officially added the 1955 Bowman, and 1956 Topps baseball sets. Its been a while since I was actively going to shows, stores and auctions but I see that I can finally put some of my free time back into the hobby and should besending out a stack of OBC style Holiday cards for those lists I can hit. This summer I took on a new role and am traveling every week, now that I amused to this schedule I have learned to become a better traveler and reorganized my office into something that has dual purposes. John Leroux ================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 05:54:46 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gurus Random Ramble OBCers, you dont need an auction house, take a look at mine ;)

http://www.sgccardregistry.com/gallery.aspx?cat=1&set=794&userset=3598

I actually have a full set, but they just aren't all slabbed yet.

I am in the slabbing game for protection and presentation.

Not as important, but I'd be remiss in not saying...Like it or not, we will eventually have to croak and the cards will be on the market before or after that final breath. Slabbed cards are easier to appraise and sell. 'nuff said.

I love them either way!

OBC Forever,
Brian

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================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 17:14:38 +0000 (UTC) To: hoot , obc-ramblings From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Happy Thanksgiving OBC True blessings and prayers sent to all...let's keep these good things going!
I mean it when I say...
OBC Forever!
Brian

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================= Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:43:09 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Online version of 1968 Topps Game? Might be inventing memories, but didn't an OBCer create an online or downloadable version of the 1968 Topps Game that stored and flipped the cards, so you can play without a physical set? I'd like to do something similar for a couple of 1930s game sets, if a structure already exists. ================= Date: 30 Nov 2013 15:27:33 -0800 To: From: Subject: JFK Conspiracy