================= To: "obc" Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 06:53:12 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: New set added Since I have 1/2 the set, thought I would add the basketball set.........1974 FLEER TEAM PATCHES/STICKERS my wants page. Listed I what I need........... 1974 FLEER TEAM PATCHES/STICKERS-Listed 1-1-2013 1[NBA Logo],2[Atlanta Hawks],3[Boston Celtics],4[Buffalo Braves],5[Chicago Bulls],7[Detroit Pistons],9[Houston Rockets],13[New Orleans Jazz],17[Portland Trailblazers],19[Washington Bullets]. Ken Goetsch ================= To: Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 12:15:44 -0500 From: "Gord Ellis" Subject: 2013 goals I usually don't set goals for picking up certain cards/sets because I may find a deal on cards at a show that is so good that I have to spend my moneyon that. So no money for for what I originally wanted, but got some great cards at a great price!! I listed 25 sets earlier that are within 5 cards for completetion, so I'll really concentrate on getting as many as I can, but if really good deals come up elsewhere(eg. '51B Mantle, Mays) I may pick them up instead. My 2013 goal , however, is to use the Thanks and other url's(is that the term??) better this year. I do enjoy haring about the great trades within OBC. ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 14:31:55 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Jake Elwell Subject: New Years Resolutions I met my primary goal of 2012: join OBC -- so I'm ready to get down to brass tacks in 2013. To wit: *Finish priority sets: 71, 73, 74 baseball and 72-73 & 73-74 hockey. *Add to 67, 68 and 69 baseball. Get within 50 of 1970 Topps and within 100 of 1972 Topps. *Add to oddball lists - Arco Red Sox, Wonder Bread Football, Cocoa Puffs Globetrotters, Topps Presidents. *Make want list for Jimmy Piersall. *Find more box lots at flea markets for trade bait. *Attend a card show (White Plains, most likely). *Return fire more diligently. Happy New Year to OBC and thanks for 8 amazing months of collecting -- I amlooking forward to many more! --Jake Elwell ================= Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2013 19:59:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: 2012-2013 goal stuff Since I don't want to miss out on the fun--here were my 2012 goals: 1) Make it to Baltimore for the National (done!) 2) Finish my 1977 set (done) 4) Get started on a 1978 (posted 1/1/2012) and 1976 set (posted 6/1/2012)-done!!. 7) Get one more vintage Pete Reiser hit (done!) NOT DONE 3) Knock off the remaining '54 Topps that aren't stars: 063(Pesky)--got really close here--have a Pesky in my sights that should finish this in the next couple weeks--I'm still happy. 5) Hit every OBC'er with an active list and condition requirements in my league (RAOK only). --since I waited until December to start I was doomed to fail---it is a lot tougher than it sounds--I'm amazed at the guys that actually do this and have success--- good goal for next year! 6) Finish my '71 and '72 Topps Football sets (mostly stars)--shouldn't havehad this as a goal--never made a real effort here--other priorities I guess. Now the fun 2013 goals! 1) Finish the 4 1954 Topps non-Superstars (#017 Rizutto #032 Duke Snider #063 Pesky #102 Hodges) 2) Get one more Pete Reiser vintage hit 3) Finish my Frank Taveras card run and expand list for oddball items. 4) Re-invigorate the "virtual traveling dup box" 5) Try again to hit every list in OBC--starting in January this time! (120 guys10/month) 6) Finish organizing and compiling my wantlist 7) Get 12 more vintage Pirate hits. Happy New Year everyone! Brian Betza ================= To: "Trading Bases" , Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 18:07:24 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Waiver Wire - Sports Books Here is my first attempt at a waiver wire in 2013. Below is a list of sports books that I have read. All of them are good reads and are available onfirst come / first serve. Claim away! list alternate in case first choice is already gone. 1.. Pride and Pinstripes =E2=93 Mel Stottlemyre w/ John Harper (paperback) 2.. Willie Mays =E2=93 The life, the legend =E2=93 w/James S. Hirsch 3.. Deep Drive =E2=93 Mike Lowell (paperback) 4.. Michael Strahan =E2=93 Inside the Helmet w/Jay Glazer (hardback) 5.. John Schuerholz =E2=93 Built to Win (hardback) 6.. Tommy Lasorda =E2=93 I Live for This (hardback) 7.. It ain=E2=99t over =E2til it=E2=99s over =E2=93 the Baseball Prospectus Pennant Race Book (paperback) 8.. Yogi Berra =E2=93 Eternal Yankee w/Allen Barra (hardback) Mark Holland OBC / TB Vintage List: ================= To: "Trading Bases" , Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 20:05:07 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Re:Waiver Wire - Sports Books-updated list Updated list. claim away! include address. 1.. Pride and Pinstripes =E2=93 Mel Stottlemyre w/ John Harper (paperback) 2.. Willie Mays =E2=93 The life, the legend =E2=93 w/James S. Hirsch 3.. Deep Drive =E2=93 Mike Lowell (paperback) 4.. Michael Strahan =E2=93 Inside the Helmet w/Jay Glazer (hardback) 5.. John Schuerholz =E2=93 Built to Win (hardback) 6.. Tommy Lasorda =E2=93 I Live for This (hardback) 7.. It ain=E2=99t over =E2til it=E2=99s over =E2=93 the Baseball Prospectus Pennant Race Book (paperback) 8.. Yogi Berra =E2=93 Eternal Yankee w/Allen Barra (hardback) Mark Holland OBC / TB Vintage List: From: Mark Holland Sent: Tuesday, January 01, 2013 6:07 PM To: Trading Bases ; OBC-Ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver Wire - Sports Books Here is my first attempt at a waiver wire in 2013. Below is a list of sports books that I have read. All of them are good reads and are available onfirst come / first serve. Claim away! list alternate in case first choice is already gone. 1.. Pride and Pinstripes =E2=93 Mel Stottlemyre w/ John Harper (paperback) 2.. Willie Mays =E2=93 The life, the legend =E2=93 w/James S. Hirsch 3.. Deep Drive =E2=93 Mike Lowell (paperback) 4.. Michael Strahan =E2=93 Inside the Helmet w/Jay Glazer (hardback) 5.. John Schuerholz =E2=93 Built to Win (hardback) 6.. Tommy Lasorda =E2=93 I Live for This (hardback) 7.. It ain=E2=99t over =E2til it=E2=99s over =E2=93 the Baseball Prospectus Pennant Race Book (paperback) 8.. Yogi Berra =E2=93 Eternal Yankee w/Allen Barra (hardback) Mark Holland OBC / TB Vintage List: ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:30:54 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2013 NFL Playoff Pool - Second Call for entries Happy New Year to you all. I am going to be running a playoff pool for all those interested. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active for each team in each game. We already have several committed participants. The entry fee is a baseball card, preferably pre-1980, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please send the card at your earliest convenience to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. The playoff schedule is as follows: AFC Week 1: 6 Bengals at 3 Texans, 5 Colts at 4 Ravens AFC Week 2: 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner - 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Vikings at 3 Packers, 5 Seahawks at 4 Redskins NFC Week 2: 1 Falcons at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner - 2 Forty-Niners at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are exactly 2 QB, 4 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). In each game, every participant will have player going from each team. Rank your players 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. The rankings do not effect the number of points that a player gets, but acts as a tie breaker at the end of the contest if needed. Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by the total points of you player with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than your # 2 player will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4) QB Staubach DAL (2) RB Davis DEN (1) RB Warner SEA (12) etc., with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 5 at 10 AM Central Time. Once your team is submitted, it cannot be changed. Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Rushing: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Made Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (incl. bad snap) or Blocked FG: 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. Made PAT 1 point, Missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions, defensive or kick return touchdowns Remember, four NFL teams will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four Prizes (subject to change based on number of entries): Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. I should have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions BEFORE the roster deadline. Remember, picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 8 at 10 AM Central time. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2013 08:17:39 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ed Subject: Re: set storage I have almost all of my 1980s sets in the original wax boxes. Older sets are in binders except 1954 topps are in an ugly old hallmark box that for some reason I never replaced , go figure Ed Pike ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 16:50:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "joedenning71" Subject: OBC Webmaster contact help I have a question for the OBC webmaster. I have tried numerous times to send an email to the webmaster through the obc website link or by typing in the email address webmaster@oldbaseball.com by hand. I receive this reply below each time: The original message was received at Sun, 30 Dec 2012 08:42:48 -0500 from atl4mhob14.myregisteredsite.com [209.17.115.52] ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- (reason: 550 Host unknown) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- 550 5.1.2 ... Host unknown (Name server: deliafamily.net: host not found) Final-Recipient: RFC822; wayne@deliafamily.net Action: failed Status: 5.1.2 Remote-MTA: DNS; deliafamily.net Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 Host unknown Can anyone assist with this? Thanks and I hope everyone had a Happy OBC New Year and look forward to lots of OBC action in 2013!! ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:01:52 -0700 To: Ed From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: set storage I'm in the minority I have almost all sets in boxes. Mostly because I have never had a true card room. I have picked a couple sets to put in binders and most of the little odd balls that I'm working on I have in binders . Someday when I have a room to myself that may change. Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Ed wrote: > I have almost all of my 1980s sets in the original wax boxes. Older sets are in binders except 1954 topps are in an ugly old hallmark box that for some reason I never replaced , go figure > Ed Pike ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 13:07:15 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: YouTube Mr Mint Video OK I started out the new year with a monster cold fever aches etc etc, and I'm grounded and trying to get better with rest. So I've been watching someyoutube videos. I watched a few of these videos where collectors open wax packs and make these once in a lifetime finds, and these are kind of fun, and I like to watch the videos where they open a vintage wax pack or cello pack I came across a series of videos when Mr Mint buys a collection from this collector named Paul. Mr Mint and a couple of others were invited by Paul tohis home to make an offer for Paul's entire collection. These videos are afew years old, so maybe you have seen them? What really impacted me the most, was here is Paul's collection which I'm sure he has taken years to put together. Mr Mint flips through the pages in each binder, check a couple ofkey cards in the set, then states "55 Topps set twelve hundred", "58 Toopsset one thousand" (these are just examples I made up). Mr Mint pays Paul $80,000 and I think he buys the whole collection. Probably a reasonable enough price, but it just hurt to watch the way Paul's collection was treated. It mad me kinda sad. http://youtu.be/t6UWScKYKSo ================= To: Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 16:39:30 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: set storage Warning: Lengthy ramble approaching... I am probably in an even bigger minority in OBC. I have a room that serves as my office for work as well as my "OCD lab". The OCD lab section (which is actually most of the room) contains everything from cards to comics to books to DVDs to CDs to records to glasses to beer trays to all kinds of oddsand ends (T-Rex telephone, '50s Mr Robot w/box, Fireball XL-5 lunchbox, and much more) along with pictures, artwork, and other oddities hanging on the walls. (One of these days I'll provide some pictures) I have a Gorilla/Rhino rack in one corner that contains most of the comics and some cards. The shelves in the closet contains the rest of the sports cards. Almost all my sports cards are in 2-row storage boxes with the exception of some off-sized and other odd-ball stuff (Exhibits, coins, Red Man, Topps/Bowman reprints, Conlons, mini-posters, etc), which are all in binders. My entire non-sports collection is in (over 2 dozen) binders as well. I generally have 2 types of card boxes. The 800-count (and other size) boxes that hold my 1980 and later sets. And the 2-row storage boxes which hold most of the cards before then. Almost all of the pre-1980 cards are in penny sleeves with the higher value cards being in top loaders as well. In somecases (such as my 1962 set), a 2-row box will only be able to hold only that single set. In other cases (such as the 1955 set), that 2-row box can hold additional card sets, which are usually but not always comprised of smaller sized odd-ball sets. Sometimes it's a combination, such as (for now), my 1953 and 1954 Topps, which are be in a single box since I still need a bunch of each (which I can expand to separate boxes later, if need be). All sports boxes (in theory) have labels on them indicating what set(s) is in the box. My binders (again, mostly non-sports) are all numbered. I have a spreadsheet that contains a line for each set (or in-progress set) where 1 column contains the binder number (or box location) where that set resides. The other columns contain various information on that set (year, set name, # of cards, complete/incomplete, average condition, etc) which can be referenced quickly as well. (I've done something similar for my comics and a few other items I have). While this is not always 100% accurate, it gives arelatively good idea to what is actually in the collection. Kathy and my daughter are aware of this "documentation" should something unexpected happen to me. While our storage methods may vary, I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND some kind of semi-accurate inventory system that your significant others/relatives are aware of. Personally I really don't care what they would decide to do with this once I am gone, but at least they know what they are dealing with and can make a somewhat informed decision. (Apologies for the somewhat morbid I am not advocating that boxes are for everyone, but just what worked out best for me for a number of reasons I've come across over the years. A ) Not much, if any, cost difference between this storage method and binders/pages. B ) It can work better if you are stuck with closet space or other space limitations. C ) If you can fit 2-row boxes 3 high on a shelf, you can store many more cards than the same width in binders/pages. (And you can definitely stack these 4 or 5 high if need be) D ) You can still "play with" your cards. You might not be able to sit and thumb through a binder, but you can open the box and actually "hold" your cards (with or without penny sleeves). E ) Boxes tend to "travel" better when moving them. F ) Numerous other personal and historical reasons. I think this thread is great, especially for those struggling with what might be the best storage options for them. CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: ehpiii@aol.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:01:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: set storage I'm in the minority I have almost all sets in boxes. Mostly because Ihave never had a true card room. I have picked a couple sets to put in binders and most of the little odd balls that I'm working on I have in binders. Someday when I have a room to myself that may change. Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Ed wrote: I have almost all of my 1980s sets in the original wax boxes. Older sets are in binders except 1954 topps are in an ugly old hallmark box that for some reason I never replaced , go figure Ed Pike ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jan 2013 21:54:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikerw7@gmail.com Subject: Re: YouTube Mr Mint Video I agree. Very sad. I think I'd rather pass it on to my family Or have someone do that buying after I'm dead. M R-W --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Larry Tipton wrote: > OK I started out the new year with a monster cold fever aches etc etc, and I'm grounded and trying to get better with rest. So I've been watching some youtube videos. I watched a few of these videos where collectors open wax packs and make these once in a lifetime finds, and these are kind of fun,and I like to watch the videos where they open a vintage wax pack or cellopack > I came across a series of videos when Mr Mint buys a collection from thiscollector named Paul. Mr Mint and a couple of others were invited by Paul to his home to make an offer for Paul's entire collection. These videos area few years old, so maybe you have seen them? What really impacted me the most, was here is Paul's collection which I'm sure he has taken years to put together. Mr Mint flips through the pages in each binder, check a couple of key cards in the set, then states "55 Topps set twelve hundred", "58 Toops set one thousand" (these are just examples I made up). > Mr Mint pays Paul $80,000 and I think he buys the whole collection. Probably a reasonable enough price, but it just hurt to watch the way Paul's collection was treated. It mad me kinda sad. > http://youtu.be/t6UWScKYKSo > Guru ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2013 00:31:30 +0000 (UTC) To: Taylor Schock From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: set storage Hey gang, A few years ago, I began converting my storage of sets from a box, to binders. When I stored them in boxes, I would use 3200 count boxes and keep four different sets in each column. For many of the sets, I would keep dupes in there as well. However, with the binders, I pretty much have each set in it's own binder. The exceptions are my Fleer collection, which is in one binder. I also have my 48 Bowmans combined with my 49 Bowmans. Some of my OPC's are combined as well. 65-67 in one binder, and 68-69 in one binder. I have one binder for hostess, and one for Kelloggs. My binders cover everything through my 1978 collection. I keep the binders in one of those 5 drawer horizontal filingcabinets. It fits almost all of the binders, with my 1978x9 collection not making it into the file cabinet. I have one uv set in a binder, 1984Donruss. The rest are in boxes. Some 800 count, some sharing space in a 3200 count box. My hockey currently sit in a 3200 count box, with sets and dupes all in the box. My football is split. Sets up to 1972 are in binders, as is my Chicago Bear collection. Sets after 72 are in a 3200 count box, with dupes in there as well. I also keep one box that is a "to do" box for me. I put cards in there that need to be sorted, whether it's into binders or upgrades or the dupes box. They start out in this box first. That's the mayhem right now. It certainly could be more organized, and maybe that will happen down the road, on that rainy day. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Taylor Schock" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 2, 2013 2:39:30 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: set storage Warning: Lengthy ramble approaching... I am probably in an even bigger minority in OBC. I have a room that serves as my office for work as well as my "OCD lab". The OCD lab section (which is actually most of the room) contains everything from cards to comics to books to DVDs to CDs to records to glasses to beer trays to all kinds of oddsand ends (T-Rex telephone, '50s Mr Robot w/box, Fireball XL-5 lunchbox, and much more) along with pictures, artwork, and other oddities hanging on the walls. (One of these days I'll provide some pictures) I have a Gorilla/Rhino rack in one corner that contains most of the comics and some cards. The shelves in the closet contains the rest of the sports cards. Almost all my sports cards are in 2-row storage boxes with the exception of some off-sized and other odd-ball stuff (Exhibits, coins, Red Man, Topps/Bowman reprints, Conlons, mini-posters, etc), which are all in binders. My entire non-sports collection is in (over 2 dozen) binders as well. I generally have 2 types of card boxes. The 800-count (and other size) boxes that hold my 1980 and later sets. And the 2-row storage boxes which hold most of the cards before then. Almost all of the pre-1980 cards are in penny sleeves with the higher value cards being in top loaders as well. In somecases (such as my 1962 set), a 2-row box will only be able to hold only that single set. In other cases (such as the 1955 set), that 2-row box can hold additional card sets, which are usually but not always comprised of smaller sized odd-ball sets. Sometimes it's a combination, such as (for now), my 1953 and 1954 Topps, which are be in a single box since I still need a bunch of each (which I can expand to separate boxes later, if need be). All sports boxes (in theory) have labels on them indicating what set(s) is in the box. My binders (again, mostly non-sports) are all numbered. I have a spreadsheet that contains a line for each set (or in-progress set) where 1 column contains the binder number (or box location) where that set resides. The other columns contain various information on that set (year, set name, # of cards, complete/incomplete, average condition, etc) which can be referenced quickly as well. (I've done something similar for my comics and a few other items I have). While this is not always 100% accurate, it gives arelatively good idea to what is actually in the collection. Kathy and my daughter are aware of this "documentation" should something unexpected happen to me. While our storage methods may vary, I would HIGHLY RECOMMEND some kind of semi-accurate inventory system that your significant others/relatives are aware of. Personally I really don't care what they would decide to do with this once I am gone, but at least they know what they are dealing with and can make a somewhat informed decision. (Apologies for the somewhat morbid I am not advocating that boxes are for everyone, but just what worked out best for me for a number of reasons I've come across over the years. A ) Not much, if any, cost difference between this storage method and binders/pages. B ) It can work better if you are stuck with closet space or other space limitations. C ) If you can fit 2-row boxes 3 high on a shelf, you can store many more cards than the same width in binders/pages. (And you can definitely stack these 4 or 5 high if need be) D ) You can still "play with" your cards. You might not be able to sit and thumb through a binder, but you can open the box and actually "hold" your cards (with or without penny sleeves). E ) Boxes tend to "travel" better when moving them. F ) Numerous other personal and historical reasons. I think this thread is great, especially for those struggling with what might be the best storage options for them. CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: ehpiii@aol.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 10:01:52 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: set storage I'm in the minority I have almost all sets in boxes. Mostly because I have never had a true card room. I have picked a couple sets to put in binders and most of the little odd balls that I'm working on I have in binders . Someday when I have a room to myself that may change. Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2013, at 9:17 AM, Ed < ehpiii@aol.com > wrote: I have almost all of my 1980s sets in the original wax boxes. Older sets are in binders except 1954 topps are in an ugly old hallmark box that for some reason I never replaced , go figure Ed Pike ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 17:09:28 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: 2013 Collecting Goals It's been a few years since I've done this, but jumping into the spirit of goal setting I present my goals for the upcoming year. * I ended 2012 needing 1,365 cards to complete my 1951-1993 Topps plus 1948-1955 Bowman run. I'd like to knock that under 1,000. * Continue my push on the 1958, 1962, and 1963 Topps sets, knocking each down to 20 or fewer and maybe even finish 1962 * Pick up three of the four cards I need to finish my 1-310 1952 Topps run; excluding Mays I need 274 Branca, 281 Brown, and 289 Holmes. * Kill the 1955 Topps set by picking up the Clemente Rookie. * Complete the 1960 Fleer (1-79) and 1962 Post baseball sets. * Cut my 1975-1979 Hostess wantlist in half. Currently need about 270 * Pick up at least two 1939 Play Ball high numbers * Add a 1970s era football and basketball set to my wantlist * Attend Chicago National * Increase RAOK / trading activity Mike Mackie ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 21:17:28 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: 2013 Collecting Goals I've never done one of these, but after being in the group for so long, I figure it's high time that I do it. I'm also going to try to be aggressive with them, as I've practically fallen off the face of the Earth with my collecting. The National has been my only source of cards (excluding you guys of course) for the last three years and I skipped the one that wasn't in Baltimore. I also don't want to set a bunch of easy goals and make them all. Why put them out there if you don't feel like you've accomplished anything after you do them all? So without further ado: 1) Find a couple T205's on my Polar Bear back list OR the Addie Joss to kill the set (excluding a couple rare or super rare variations.) 2) Find two each of the 1949 and 1950 Bowman variations I need. Haven't made a lot of progress on these in a long, long time. 3) Pick up two of the last five 1960 Leaf cards on my list. 4) Acquire one of the three short prints I need to put my 1963 Fleer set to 5) Get my Red Man sets down to three. These are the easiest sets to hit on my list IMHO, as even the HOF'ers are affordable. Just a matter of tracking them down. 6) Kill my 1956 Topps set with the Berra and Jackie Robinson cards. 7) Knock off half the remaining football cards on my list (4 not including 8) Add some sets to my page 9) Attend the National and meet up with everyone. Waiting for the vacation schedule to be posted at work, so I can cross off the week. 10) Send out more packages and my thank you notes in a more timely manner. OK, so there is one cream puff goal, as my record for the last few years has been seriously lacking. I'll keep it to a Top Ten list and revisit this in 365 days or so. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 19:10:48 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: WAIVER OFFERING: Anyone Interested in Cassettes? Hi everyone I am starting the new year looking to declutter, something I vow to do every year - but somehow that runs contrary to my collecting ways and the best I usually hope to do is break even. I was doing some housecleaning over the holidays and looking at a big rack of music tape cassettes, I've decided they have to go. But first I want to see if anyone out there is interested in any of them. I probably have 100 or so - some of which were purchased in the years between when vinyl records became impossible to find (c.1990) and I finally broke down and bought a CD player (c.1995). Others cassettes were created on my old stereo when I taped many of my vinyl records so I could hear them in the car. Artists include Elton John, Tom Petty, Bob Seger, Sting, Led Zeppelin, Counting Crows, Pearl Jam, Michael Jackson, Luther Vandross, Bob Marley,Traveling Wilburys, and a variety of Classical Music cassettes. I can create a complete list of what I have if there is any interest. These would be waiver claims - I don't want anything in return. Mike Mackie ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2013 23:27:49 -0500 (EST) From: Ed Pike Subject: autographs I am considering buying an autograph on Ebay - any opinions on the accuracy of PSA/DNA COAs? I have not purchased anything with a PSA sticker on it, my small collection of graded cards are "Tipton mint" and heck yes proud ofit. I assume that any autograph on Ebay is guity until proven genuine, is a PSA/DNA COA good reason to change my thinking here? In addition to the track & field autograph I was looking at I noticed a JimBunning HOF autograph. Jim Bunning? HOF? I am sure that there was plenty of debate back then, am I missing someone when I look at his stats and wonder how he got it? Ed Pike ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jan 2013 16:20:12 -0000 To: Ed Pike ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "joedenning71" Subject: Re: autographs I've bought thousands of autographs over the years and have had no issues so far with PSA/DNA certs being authentic. I do three things here. One I check the PSA site to verify the cert number matches (same with UD, JSA, etc). If it is not listed this way, as older archived certs obtained before the site aren't always listed in the site's online database, I alwaysemail the authenticator to verify this (or call them) and once they verifyI ask for a return email stating this. I just did this with a Reggie Jackson signed ball with UD and this works. Second, I look at the bids being submitted on this and ebay lists the feedback scores of the bidders. While you can't see their ebay user name, usually a few bidders with higher feedback scores will usually confirm this as authentic or not for me. Finally, I verify the signature of the item that is up for bid against several other of the like item that are authentic. While no two signatures areexactly the same, if these other comparisons are pretty accurate. Hope this --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Ed Pike wrote: > I am considering buying an autograph on Ebay - any opinions on the accuracy of PSA/DNA COAs? I have not purchased anything with a PSA sticker on it, my small collection of graded cards are "Tipton mint" and heck yes proud of it. I assume that any autograph on Ebay is guity until proven genuine, is a PSA/DNA COA good reason to change my thinking here? > In addition to the track & field autograph I was looking at I noticed a Jim Bunning HOF autograph. Jim Bunning? HOF? I am sure that there was plentyof debate back then, am I missing someone when I look at his stats and wonder how he got it? > Ed Pike ================= Date: Fri, 04 Jan 2013 12:17:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: FOOT area shows and happenings This Sunday is a Redford card show. I believe my HOMer Willie Horton is autographing. I do NOT plan on getting any autographs from him on Sunday. Iwill be there early as I have another swap lined up for a set of 1992 Slurpee cups, and a few other Coke caps. For those on the other side of town that need a card fix, there is a Bibraltar North show this weekend. Mike Moz joined me last weekend for college hockey at the Joe. We will be going to the Michigan v Michigan State hockey game at the Joe on February 2. That game is more likely to sell out, so please try and RSVP early if you plan on joining us, so we can get tickets ahead if time. Please let the rest of know if you will be attending any of the events. Anyone interested in going to a Pistons and if they ever settle the strike,Red Wings game this winter? Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 09:20:13 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Playoff Pool - Deadline extended - Final Call I am running a playoff pool for all those interested. It is an interesting format where you always have one player active on each team in each game. We already have several committed participants, and I extended the deadline since I got the bones of the reporting spreadsheet set up early. It should take about 15 minutes to set up your lineup, and then you are done. What else do you have to do on Saturday morning that can't wait? Pretty easy, so I would like to see a lot more people participate. The entry fee is a baseball or football card, preferably pre-1980 or retro of a pre-1980 player, with a current condition-adjusted value of about $10. Please send the card to the address below, and include a note that this is for the playoff contest. Prizes: Overall winner will get 75% of the cards, 2nd place gets 25%. Deadline: Picks must be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) to arrive no later than Saturday, January 5 at Noon Central Time. Here is how it works. Teams: Select a team of 12 players from the 12 teams in the playoffs. Your team must have 1, and only 1 player from each team and you are allowed exactly 2 QB, 4 RB, 4 WR, 1 TE, and 1 K (there are no defenses or special teams in the pool). You do this once before the playoffs begin, and that's After you select your players, rank them 1 through 12, with 1 being the player you think will score the most points overall throughout the playoffs, and 12 being the player you think will score the least points. The rankings do not effect the number of points that a player gets, but acts as a tie breaker at the end of the contest if needed. (Since there is a possibility that more than one team can have the exact same players and/or total score, ties will be broken by comparing the total points of players with the # 1 ranking. If still tied, than the # 2 ranked players will be used and so on until the tie is broken. Submit your roster to me like this: QB Dawson KC (4) QB Staubach DAL (2) RB Davis DEN (1) RB Warner SEA (12) with the number in parenthesis being your personal ranking of the player. The playoff schedule is as follows: AFC Week 1: 6 Bengals at 3 Texans, 5 Colts at 4 Ravens AFC Week 2: 1 Broncos at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner - 2 Patriots at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner AFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed NFC Week 1: 6 Vikings at 3 Packers, 5 Seahawks at 4 Redskins NFC Week 2: 1 Falcons at home vs. lowest seeded Week One winner - 2 Forty-Niners at home vs. highest seeded Week One winner NFC Week 3: Week 2 winners at home of highest remaining seed Week 4: Super Bowl Remember, four teams have 1st round byes, and could potentially play one less game than the other eight. The winner is determined by total points scored by their roster over the entire playoff season (four games). Passing: Touchdown 4 points, Yardage 1 point for every 25 passing yards, -2 points for an interception, - 2 points for a fumble Receiving: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, 1 point for every catch, -2 points for a fumble Rushing: Touchdown 6 points, Yardage 1 point for every 10 yards, -2 points for a fumble Kicking: Made Field Goals: 1-39 yards 3 points, 40-49 yards 4 points, 50-59 yards 5 points, 60+ yards 7 points. Missed (incl. bad snap) or Blocked FG: 1-39 yards -2 points, 40-49 yards -1 point. Made PAT 1 point, Missed PAT (for any reason unless a pass or run results in a conversion) -2 points There are NO points awarded for 2 point conversions, defensive or kick return touchdowns I should have rosters/rankings out before kickoff of the first game on Saturday, especially if I get your rosters early. Weekly results will be sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an email, usually on Monday before noon. Please let me know if you have any questions. Remember, picks must be received by me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Saturday, January 5 at Noon Central time. Looking forward to the pool, and a Happy New Year to you and your Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 13:04:59 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] You Know What's Fun? I have a top 6 list...generally players from my player collection rather than sets...Lajoies and Southworths. Generally rare or expensive...often both ;-) It's fun to think about what's on there...some I've never seen for sale...some are just too expensive. I do have an opening now...wonder what to put on there. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikerw7@gmail.com Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2012 18:38:13 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You Know What's Fun? Picking out a new card for the Top 5 List! Thanks, again, John Dahms, for giving me this pleasure on my last day of So here's a question that may or may not provoke discussion: for those of you who have such lists (Top 5, Top 10, Top Pi), how do you decide what to put on there? Happy New Year! Mike R-W ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 19:23:51 -0500 (EST) To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: And not a moment too soon After a dozen year of procrastinating, I have finally decided (ok, the reality is I have a work project that I want work on even less) to add basic variation/error wantlists to my vintage baseball web page. The usual stuff - yellow or white lettering where there usually isnt, spelling errors, contests, etc. I have picked up a few of these in the past, usually at shows where someone is digging through boxes and finds one they dont need. Anyway, since my wantlist has been near impossible to hit for quite a while, I thought this might generate some action, and help me get rid of some of my dupes as well. So take a look if you care to under the Topps section at the link below, and see what all the fuss is about! Thanks for reading, Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jan 2013 18:23:31 -0800 (PST) To: mikesportsfan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings I am thinking I might make the Redford Show but only if Mike Sandles will be there with his vintage stuff. Who elsemight makeit? "we keep what we give away!" From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 4, 2013 7:18:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings This Sunday is a Redford card show. I believe my HOMer Willie Horton is autographing. I do NOT plan on getting any autographs from him on Sunday. Iwill be there early as I have another swap lined up for a set of 1992 Slurpee cups, and a few other Coke caps. For those on the other side of town that need a card fix, there is a Bibraltar North show this weekend. Mike Moz joined me last weekend for college hockey at the Joe. We will be going to the Michigan v Michigan State hockey game at the Joe on February 2. Thatgame is more likely to sell out, so please try and RSVP early if you plan on joining us, so we can get tickets ahead if time. Please let the rest of know if you will be attending any of the events. Anyone interested in going to a Pistons and if they ever settle the strike,Red Wings game this winter? Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 02:41:08 +0000 (UTC) To: EEK From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings I might be there if your coming down Earl. REGARDS --------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "EEK" To: "mikesportsfan" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:23:31 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings I am thinking I might make the Redford Show but only if Mike Sandles will be there with his vintage stuff. Who else might make it? "we keep what we give away!" From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 4, 2013 7:18:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings This Sunday is a Redford card show. I believe my HOMer Willie Horton is autographing. I do NOT plan on getting any autographs from him on Sunday. I will be there early as I have another swap lined up for a set of 1992 Slurpeecups, and a few other Coke caps. For those on the other side of town that need a card fix, there is a Bibraltar North show this weekend. Mike Moz joined me last weekend for college hockey at the Joe. We will be going to the Michigan v Michigan State hockey game at the Joe on February 2.That game is more likely to sell out, so please try and RSVP early if you plan on joining us, so we can get tickets ahead if time. Please let the rest of know if you will be attending any of the events. Anyone interested in going to a Pistons and if they ever settle the strike,Red Wings game this winter? Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 08:50:56 -0600 To: OBC Ramblings From: Doug DeJong Subject: 2013 collecting goal (singular) and family news I missed out on most of the conversation about collecting goals for 2013, but thought I would weigh in. I decided to just make one goal - finish my birth year set, the 1960 Topps. I am down around 85 so it should be doable, but it has been on my list for a long time! Of course, this goes along with the general goals of plugging along with all the other sets that are in process and trying to control my compulsion to begin new sets, but that is the biggie. My collecting is limited to on-line as there are essentially zero card shows in the KC area However, my collecting goals are at least temporarily being overshadowing by some big news for my wife and I. Our four kids are all out and doing their onw thing these days and our youngest is 4.5 years into a 6 year pharmacy program and like the others pretty independent of mom and dad. We have often talked about having one more move in us ('let's live by the mountains or water someday' is an oft repeated phrase!). You may recall my wife went through a bit with several suspicious spots on her breast and an ugly melanoma that was of the size and type that typically has spread. She had things biopsied and lymph nodes removed, and miraculously everything was either benign or contained and she just has to have some things checked periodically now. As she came out of that she pointed out that we are at that age where we either make something happen or we need to be prepared to stay here until we retire. I have not been overly happy at work for a while but there is not a better opportunity in the area. Long story short, things lined up and we are moving to Asheville, NC. This is an amazing opportunity to live in a smaller community with lots of outdoors activities for us, and I will be working in a larger hospital with a great professional opportunity as well. We have spent our entire lives in the geographically challenges plains of America, and were just blown away by the beauty of Asheville. We will be closer to our daughter in Cincinnati, and even closer if she follows through on her planned move to Atlanta, and closer to my sister in Gainesville, FL. We are looking forward to it, but I am going to be boxing up most of my stuff to prep the house for being on the market. My last day at Saint Luke's is January 19th, and I start in Asheville January 28th. My wife will stay back and get the house sold (which shouldn't be too bad in our market) and we will go from there. There will be a period where I will be completely out of commission with my cards and dupe boxes all packed up, but hopefully it will all go smoothly. ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 07:13:24 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: 2013 Goals Fellas -- I've never set any goals before, but I suppose I should join the crowd! I'll keep it easy: 1) Attend the National in Chicago. I need to finally get off my duff andmeet up with everybody again, as it's been over 15 years since I've been to a National with OBCers...I think St Louis was the last time. Plus, my Mom will kill me if I don't go home this year...it seems I always have someexcuse. So there you go, a pretty simple goal that I have confidence inachieving! 2) On the wantlist front, I'd like to get 20 new Sovereign cards for my T205/T206 collection, with the main three being T205s of Bridwell, Brown, and Chance. I haven't bought cards in recent years like I used to, since I have kids coming up on college, a house that needs attention, and a daughterwhose passion for horses and competition is a bit expensive (although rewarding). I've taken to trading much more than buying these days, which isreally more fun anyway! 3) The last thing I've been slowly doing is whittling my collection down a bit to concentrate on the things I really like. Binders that haven't been opened in years will probably become trade bait, or RAOK fodder. The problem is figuring out which ones to trim. Some sets I just like too much, like the 1974 Topps. Some I've already liquidated, like the 1973 Topps. I'm probably looking at my 1959 binder as the next one to trade off for T-cards, as I never really liked that set anyway (a pink Bob Gibson? Please...). I'm sure some of you will see a few of those throughout the year. I've found it rewarding to minimize, which I know is a crazy thought to some of you guys, like Mike Rich! 4) Lastly, I want to meet a few more guys in my travels. Lately, it seems I spend most of my away time in Waco, TX, but occasionally I get to otherplaces. And if you're in Denver, please let me know! I guess that's about it. Pretty easy stuff for me, but that's the speed I operate at. Happy New Year to everyone, and best wishes to your families! Take Care, ================= To: talbot1@comcast.net, originaleek1@att.net Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 10:51:20 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings Ron is coming down. Mike Mroz indicated last week he was going to try and make it. Mike Sandles should be there with his vintage. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: talbot1 To: EEK Cc: mikesportsfan ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings I might be there if your coming down Earl. REGARDS --------------- MARK From: "EEK" To: "mikesportsfan" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:23:31 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings I am thinking I might make the Redford Show but only if Mike Sandles will be there with his vintage stuff. Who else might make it? "we keep what we give away!" From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 4, 2013 7:18:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings This Sunday is a Redford card show. I believe my HOMer Willie Horton is autographing. I do NOT plan on getting any autographs from him on Sunday. I will be there early as I have another swap lined up for a set of 1992 Slurpeecups, and a few other Coke caps. For those on the other side of town that need a card fix, there is a Bibraltar North show this weekend. Mike Moz joined me last weekend for college hockey at the Joe. We will be going to the Michigan v Michigan State hockey game at the Joe on February 2.That game is more likely to sell out, so please try and RSVP early if you plan on joining us, so we can get tickets ahead if time. Please let the rest of know if you will be attending any of the events. Anyone interested in going to a Pistons and if they ever settle the strike,Red Wings game this winter? Mike Rich ================= To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 11:58:35 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2013 Goals If you want to minimize you can always swap your 75 set for 75 mini's! In the meantime, I am trying to commission some scientists to work on reducingthe size of cards and then being able to re-enlarge them when I wish to look at them. Science fiction stuff, but one can hope. Otherwise, I may endup needing an addition to the house. Good thing I do not collect from theUV era for the most part. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 5, 2013 10:13 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2013 Goals Fellas -- I've never set any goals before, but I suppose I should join the crowd! I'll keep it easy: 1) Attend the National in Chicago. I need to finally get off my duff and meet up with everybody again, as it's been over 15 years since I've been to a National with OBCers...I think St Louis was the last time. Plus, my Mom will kill me if I don't go home this year...it seems I always have some excuse. So there you go, a pretty simple goal that I have confidence in achieving! 2) On the wantlist front, I'd like to get 20 new Sovereign cards for my T205/T206 collection, with the main three being T205s of Bridwell, Brown, and Chance. I haven't bought cards in recent years like I used to, since I have kids coming up on college, a house that needs attention, and a daughter whose passion for horses and competition is a bit expensive (although rewarding). I've taken to trading much more than buying these days, which is really more fun anyway! 3) The last thing I've been slowly doing is whittling my collection down a bit to concentrate on the things I really like. Binders that haven't been opened in years will probably become trade bait, or RAOK fodder. The problem is figuring out which ones to trim. Some sets I just like too much, like the 1974 Topps. Some I've already liquidated, like the 1973 Topps. I'm probably looking at my 1959 binder as the next one to trade off for T-cards, as I never really liked that set anyway (a pink Bob Gibson? Please...). I'm sure some of you will see a few of those throughout the year. I've found it rewarding to minimize, which I know is a crazy thought to some of youguys, like Mike Rich! 4) Lastly, I want to meet a few more guys in my travels. Lately, it seems I spend most of my away time in Waco, TX, but occasionally I get to other places. And if you're in Denver, please let me know! I guess that's about it. Pretty easy stuff for me, but that's the speed I operate at. Happy New Year to everyone, and best wishes to your families! Take Care, ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 09:24:36 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Ron Perry Subject: Re: FOOT area shows and happenings I plan to attend. ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 13:03:19 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings , From: Mike Mackie Subject: 1964 Coins For Trade Hi everyone I'm down to about 35 1964 Topps Coins, which Coin-cidentally is the number of dupes I have to trade. Most of my dupes are in the All Star series including HOFers like Yaz, BRobby, Ford, Marichal, and Spahn. Plus others like Richardson, Torre, and McCarver. From the non-All Star series I have the following: 6, 7, 9, 13, 30, 53, 71, 75, 114, 119. If you collect the Coin series and have an interest let me know and I can provide more detail. Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 17:23:25 -0500 To: Ron Perry , "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: John Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FOOT area shows and happenings ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 01:50:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: FOOT area shows and happenings Yes, I'm planning on being there at the opening bell... --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, mikesportsfan@... wrote: > Ron is coming down. Mike Mroz indicated last week he was going to try and make it. Mike Sandles should be there with his vintage. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: talbot1 > To: EEK > Cc: mikesportsfan ; OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Fri, Jan 4, 2013 9:41 pm > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings > I might be there if your coming down Earl. > REGARDS --------------- MARK > From: "EEK" > To: "mikesportsfan" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 9:23:31 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings > Mike, > I am thinking I might make the Redford Show but only if Mike Sandles willbe there with his vintage stuff. Who else might make it? > "we keep what we give away!" > From: mikesportsfan > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Fri, January 4, 2013 7:18:05 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT area shows and happenings > This Sunday is a Redford card show. I believe my HOMer Willie Horton is autographing. I do NOT plan on getting any autographs from him on Sunday. I will be there early as I have another swap lined up for a set of 1992 Slurpee cups, and a few other Coke caps. For those on the other side of town that need a card fix, there is a Bibraltar North show this weekend. > Mike Moz joined me last weekend for college hockey at the Joe. We will begoing to the Michigan v Michigan State hockey game at the Joe on February 2. That game is more likely to sell out, so please try and RSVP early if you plan on joining us, so we can get tickets ahead if time. > Please let the rest of know if you will be attending any of the events. > Anyone interested in going to a Pistons and if they ever settle the strike, Red Wings game this winter? > Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2013 20:42:35 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: More Poz The other day(s) I mentioned a blogger/sportswriter, Joe Poznanski and a story about Topps baseball cards he wrote. When Joe attacks a subject, he tends to really immerse himself in it. He continues to explore the Topps practice of numbering stars with special numbers. We all already know all this but Joe digs in and finds a lot of interesting stuff on this subject. http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/ Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:18:03 -0800 To: Yaz From: BBC Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More Poz Thanks for sharing. I've been reading some of his earlier blogs as well. John Stamper Happy New Year! On Jan 5, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Yaz wrote: > The other day(s) I mentioned a blogger/sportswriter, Joe Poznanski and a > story about Topps baseball cards he wrote. When Joe attacks a subject, > he tends to really immerse himself in it. He continues to explore the > Topps practice of numbering stars with special numbers. We all already > know all this but Joe digs in and finds a lot of interesting stuff on > this subject. > http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/ > Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 03:18:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: now I have a question Would anyone have an idea on the value of the Frank Robinson / Bill Mazeroski flashback dual seat relic card 3 / 10. Richard Labs ================= To: "'Yaz'" , Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2013 19:40:11 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] More Poz I noticed that numbering phenomenon in the early '60s...........but I always thought it was just me noticing weird things..........glad I am not alone. Nice to have someone else share my pain...... :>) I always thought checklists deserved better, because they at least contained the names of players you might not have yet from a pack............but they were always strangely numbered, like #88 or #132 or something..........great article! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yaz Sent: January-05-13 6:43 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] More Poz The other day(s) I mentioned a blogger/sportswriter, Joe Poznanski and a story about Topps baseball cards he wrote. When Joe attacks a subject, he tends to really immerse himself in it. He continues to explore the Topps practice of numbering stars with special numbers. We all already know all this but Joe digs in and finds a lot of interesting stuff on this subject. http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/ Greg (yaz) No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2805 / Virus Database: 2637/5996 - Release Date: 12/29/12 Internal Virus Database is out of date. ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jan 2013 06:10:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikerw7@gmail.com Subject: Re: More Poz Thanks, Yaz. That was a really good read. This bears repeating: I don't think this statistic gets enough play: Aaron had 6,856 total bases in his career. That is SEVEN HUNDRED more than anyone (Stan Musial is second). Barry Bonds could have hit 200 more home runs and still not had as manytotal bases as Henry Aaron. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Yaz wrote: > The other day(s) I mentioned a blogger/sportswriter, Joe Poznanski and a > story about Topps baseball cards he wrote. When Joe attacks a subject, > he tends to really immerse himself in it. He continues to explore the > Topps practice of numbering stars with special numbers. We all already > know all this but Joe digs in and finds a lot of interesting stuff on > this subject. > http://joeposnanski.blogspot.com/ > Greg (yaz) ================= To: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:01:50 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Chicago Questions I've a question for our Chicago contingent. My friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago to see the Red Sox. Currently we are contemplating Sat the 18th Through Tuesday the 21st, going to Wrigley Sat 18, Sun 19 (vs Mets) and Comiskey on Monday 20th night vs Red Sox. I've not been to Chicago in about 15-20 years. Couple of questions. 1) Any chance we will have trouble getting tickets? There will be 5-6 of 2) Hotel recommendations? Like most (I think) OBCers, we are pretty cheap. 3) Any preference to O'Hare vs. Midaway. I think the best flights we've seen are to Midway (Jetblue). ================= To: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 01:04:21 +0000 From: Subject: Non sport lead Hello all I met a person from Criaglist in Florida last week and scored some three stooges and green back crocketts If anyone is interested in some singles or starter set of greenback or orange back Crockett or Zorro please reach out to me and I will fill you in on the Also if anyone can assist with my three stooges lmk Anthony arbeeny Sent from Anthony Arbeeny iPhone The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= To: Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:37:45 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions On a similar thread regarding Chicago Questions and The National. Any hotel recommendations/advice as it relates to the Convention Center? Past experiences good or bad? I don't mind busing/training it to the CC but I'd rather not have to drive it (since I'll probably be driving there and would like to NOT have to move my car or pay for additional parking). To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:01:50 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions I=92ve a question for our Chicago contingent. My friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago to see the Red Sox. Currently we are contemplating Sat the 18th Through Tuesday the 21st, going to Wrigley Sat 18, Sun 19 (vs Mets) and Comiskey on Monday 20th night vs Red Sox. I=92ve not been toChicago in about 15-20 years. Couple of questions. 1) Any chance we will have trouble getting tickets? There will be 5-6 of us. 2) Hotel recommendations? Like most (I think) OBCers, we are pretty cheap. 3) Any preferenceto O=92Hare vs. Midaway. I think the best flights we=92ve seen are to Midway (Jetblue). Thanks Bob ================= To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 21:44:53 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions For the National, many of us share rooms. A few of the hotels have free shuttles to the convention center. There is also a parking lot about 2 blocks from the convention center that charges $6 for 12 hours. So if you have a car and stay at a hotel that does not charge for parking, then the parking lot is a very viable alternative. Unlike Baltimore, driving and parking is possible. I have almost always driven and aprked in the lot. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock To: obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 9:37 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions On a similar thread regarding Chicago Questions and The National. Any hotel recommendations/advice as it relates to the Convention Center? Past experiences good or bad? I don't mind busing/training it to the CC but I'd rather not have to drive it (since I'll probably be driving there and would like to NOT have to move my car or pay for additional parking). To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:01:50 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions I=E2=99ve a question for our Chicago contingent. My friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago to see the Red Sox. Currently we are contemplating Sat the 18th Through Tuesday the 21st, going to Wrigley Sat 18, Sun 19 (vs Mets) and Comiskey on Monday 20th night vs Red Sox. I=E2=99ve not been to Chicago in about 15-20 years. Couple of questions. 1) Any chance we will have trouble getting tickets? There will be 5-6 of us. 2) Hotel recommendations? Like most (I think) OBCers, we are pretty cheap. 3) Any preference to O=E2=99Hare vs. Midaway. I think the best flights we=E2=99ve seen are to Midway (Jetblue). ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 18:47:15 -0800 (PST) To: "obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com" , From: mark zentkovich Subject: Milestone HIT! I just passed a milestone with my football card collection 7,000 different Redskins!! Thanks to all who have helped with this collection both newer material, and good ol vintage. Mark Zentkovich ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 04:03:42 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Chicago March show dates needed There is usually a good showin Chicago in mid-March. I was trying to find teh exact weekend for this year's show, and am having trouble finding it. Can anyone enlighten us? FOOT often sends a contingent on Saturday. This starts off the spring card show season with Strongsville, Toronto and this year, possibly Pittsburgh for Robert Morris. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 20:19:42 -0800 To: Ramblings OBC From: Joshua Levine Subject: Tough request So, one of my students in my fourth grade class who is a really nice kid but is struggling let it slip today that his father was drafted by the Cubs. Turns out he has a few cards from his single a days. 1993 fleer/procards and a 1993 classic...I really want to find this kid a few cards of his dad who he idolizes. Does anybody have these sitting around or know of anybody who might? Please let me know...vintage finders fees for any card sent to me.His father's name is Jared Snyder. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:35:38 -0500 (EST) To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions Content-Language: en many hotels near the convention center, but for the best deals, you will need to drive a few miles at least In a message dated 1/7/2013 8:37:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com writes: On a similar thread regarding Chicago Questions and The National. Any hotel recommendations/advice as it relates to the Convention Center? Past experiences good or bad? I don't mind busing/training it to the CC but I'd rather not have to drive it (since I'll probably be driving there and would like to NOT have to move my car or pay for additional parking). To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:01:50 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions I=E2=99ve a question for our Chicago contingent. My friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago to see the Red Sox. Currently we are contemplating Sat the 18th Through Tuesday the 21st, going Wrigley Sat 18, Sun 19 (vs Mets) and Comiskey on Monday 20th night vs Red I=E2=99ve not been to Chicago in about 15-20 years. Couple of questions. 1) Any chance we will have trouble getting tickets? There will be 5-6 of 2) Hotel recommendations? Like most (I think) OBCers, we are pretty 3) Any preference to O=E2=99Hare vs. Midaway. I think the best flightswe=E2=99ve seen are to Midway (Jetblue). Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 23:35:21 -0800 (PST) To: "taylor_schock@hotmail.com" , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions When I was there in 2011, I stayed at the Four Points Sheraton O'Hare. Decent hotel, with a free airport shuttle bus that also dropped you at the nearby commuter rail station. The convention centre station is only one stop down the line. I didn't have a car at all, and it was great to have this option so that I didn't have to rely on OBCers to ferry me around all the time (although as usual, the guys who did that were generous to a fault!). Wish I could be there this year, but too much going on in June/July. The bank balance couldn't handle it!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "smartalecx@aol.com" To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 4:35 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions many hotels near the convention center, but for the best deals, you will need to drive a few miles at least In a message dated 1/7/2013 8:37:50 P.M. Central Standard Time, taylor_schock@hotmail.com >On a similar thread regarding Chicago Questions and The National. Any hotel recommendations/advice as it relates to the Convention Center? Past experiences good or bad? I don't mind busing/training it to the CC but I'd rather not have to drive it (since I'll probably be driving there and would liketo NOT have to move my car or pay for additional parking).Regards, Taylor >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: obcbobd@gmail.comDate: Mon, 7 Jan 2013 19:01:50 -0500Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions >I=E2=99ve a question for our Chicago contingent. >My friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago to see the Red Sox. Currently we are contemplating Sat the 18th Through Tuesday the 21st, going to Wrigley Sat 18, Sun 19 (vs Mets) and Comiskey on Monday 20th night vs Red Sox. >I=E2=99ve not been to Chicago in about 15-20 years. Couple of questions. >1) Any chance we will have trouble getting tickets? There willbe 5-6 of us. >2) Hotel recommendations? Like most (I think) OBCers, we are pretty cheap. >3) Any preference to O=E2=99Hare vs. Midaway. I think the best flights we=E2=99ve seen are to Midway (Jetblue). Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/ Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 05:33:18 -0600 To: mikesportsfan From: TJ Valacak Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago March show dates needed It's March 22-24. If you google mounted memories Chicago sun times, it willpop up. Sorry, I can't figure how to copy the link on my "smart phone" Sent from my iPhone On Jan 7, 2013, at 10:03 PM, "mikesportsfan" wrote: > There is usually a good showin Chicago in mid-March. I was trying to findteh exact weekend for this year's show, and am having trouble finding it. Can anyone enlighten us? FOOT often sends a contingent on Saturday. This starts off the spring card show season with Strongsville, Toronto and this year, possibly Pittsburgh for Robert Morris. > Mike Rich ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 09:52:51 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tough request Well...that was quick...was able to find a few on beckett.com thanks to erik...but if anybody has any laying around...i will still take them. -----Original Message----- From: Joshua Levine To: Ramblings OBC Sent: Mon, Jan 7, 2013 8:19 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tough request So, one of my students in my fourth grade class who is a really nice kid but struggling let it slip today that his father was drafted by the Cubs. Turnsout he has a few cards from his single a days. 1993 fleer/procards and a 1993 classic...I really want to find this kid a few cards of his dad who he idolizes. Does anybody have these sitting around or know of anybody who might? Pleaselet me know...vintage finders fees for any card sent to me. His father's name is Jared Snyder. Sent from my iPad OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 15:04:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "chuck.salek" Subject: Good Story here's the link: http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 07:23:01 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story Cool story. Sounds like OBC material Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: chuck.salek To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:04 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story here's the link: http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:10:03 -0800 To: Glenn Codere From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story I'm wondering how we get ahold of his wantlist. On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Glenn Codere wrote: > Cool story. Sounds like OBC material > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > From: chuck.salek > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:04 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story > here's the link: > http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:12:56 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story If nothing else, it'd be interesting to see what he still needs. Lots of'52 hi#s perhaps? ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 11:19:16 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Jake Elwell Subject: Richard Ben Cramer Sad news for the baseball bookworms among us... http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/08/us/politics/richard-ben-cramer-dies-at-62-chronicled-presidential-politics.html?_r1& ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 08:32:47 -0800 To: "chuck.salek" From: BBC Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story I was thinking the same thing. He should be in OBC or we should get a look at his want lists. It was a great story and we should contact him. John Stamper Happy New Year! On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "chuck.salek" wrote: > here's the link: > http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:14:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: Good Story I managed to look him up on his college's website - and I have an email address for him (who knows how often he checks it; as a College President, I'mguessing maybe not often) - but I'm going to be pro-active & contact him :-) Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Geordie Calvert wrote: > I'm wondering how we get ahold of his wantlist. > On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Glenn Codere wrote: > > Cool story. Sounds like OBC material > > > > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > > > > From: chuck.salek > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 8, 2013 3:04 PM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Good Story > > > > here's the link: > > > > http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault > > > > ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:36:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: Good Story OK - I took it upon myself to send him an e-mail on behalf of the group. I assured him more than once we didn't want anything in return - just the chance to help him with his collection. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, BBC wrote: > I was thinking the same thing. He should be in OBC or we should get a look at his want lists. It was a great story and we should contact him. > John Stamper > Happy New Year! > On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "chuck.salek" wrote: > > here's the link: > > > > http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault > > > > ================= To: "'Tom Housley'" , Date: Tue, 08 Jan 2013 18:10:44 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Good Story Let me know how that goes - I live just a few miles from Ursinus College and work in Collegeville PA. I was thinking the same thing (to email him). Ursinus itself has a great collection on display - I remember visiting the library their a few years back (before I really got back into the hobby) and they had a huge chunk of 33' Goudies on display - including some Ruth's and Gehrig's etc. I believe they were on 'loan' from a local collector or alumni, but kind of permanent too. Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:37 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Good Story OK - I took it upon myself to send him an e-mail on behalf of the group. I assured him more than once we didn't want anything in return - just the chance to help him with his collection. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com , BBC wrote: > I was thinking the same thing. He should be in OBC or we should get a look at his want lists. It was a great story and we should contact him. > John Stamper > Happy New Year! > On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "chuck.salek" wrote: > > here's the link: > > > > http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley > > > > ================= To: "directorth@aol.com" , Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:16:18 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Good Story Great, Tom, let us all know how that goes. Richard D To: directorth@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: yudts5@verizon.net Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 18:10:44 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Good Story Let me know how that goes - I live just a few miles from Ursinus College and work in Collegeville PA. I was thinking the same thing (to email him). Ursinus itself has a great collection on display - I remember visiting the library their a few years back (before I really got back into the hobby) and they had a huge chunk of 33=92 Goudies on display - including some Ruth=92s and Gehrig=92s etc. I believe they were on =91loan=92 from a local collector or alumni, but kind of permanent too. Matt Yudt From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:37 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Good Story OK - I took it upon myself to send him an e-mail on behalf of the group. I assured him more than once we didn't want anything in return - just the chance to help him with his collection. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, BBC wrote: > I was thinking the same thing. He should be in OBC or we should get a look at his want lists. It was a great story and we should contact him. > John Stamper > Happy New Year! > On Jan 8, 2013, at 7:04 AM, "chuck.salek" wrote: > > here's the link: > > > > http://www.montgomerynews.com/articles/2013/01/08/springford_reporter_valley_item/news/doc50eb21ada4aef680673104.txt?viewmodedefault > > > > ================= Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 01:35:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... First--- I found a really beat up '64 Mantle on E-Bay--- $30 BIN--- not sure if you'd be overpaying but here it is: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-50-Mickey-Mantle-Yankees-Fair-Filler-/181029261708?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem2a262f518c Next...Now I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of cardboard....maybe I missed this set on my wantlist :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILLER-/350577775241?ptUS_Football&hashitem51a0105289 Brian Betza ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 20:57:23 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Fwd: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News Hi gang, Well, that was fast: Dr. Bobby Fong has replied & seems to be not only interested in OBC, but as you can see from his e-mail, he also appears to be quite a nice guy. He's sent his wantlist; it's rather sparse & I've pasted itbelow. So, let's see what we can do about convincing him what a great group we are. His signature includes his mailing address at the college, but I'm not sure if he'd be comfortable getting OBC mail there. I'm going to double-check to see what his condition requirements are - if any - and to see if he's interested in starting any new sets (as you can see, not only is is WL sparse, but it's got a lot of toughies on it). For now,if you pull anything, hold off on sending until I find out condition requirements & his preferred mailing address. Dr. Bobby Fong's wantlist: Topps 1951 Blue Backs (15) 1, 2, 4, 5, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 37, 39, 42, 44, 45, 50 Topps 1952 (69) 49, 179, 186, 257, 268, 272, 280, 281, 296, 309, 311-315,317-319, 321, 323, 324, 326, 328-331, 333, 335, 337, 339, 341, 342, 345, 347,350, 351, 354-362, 366-370, 373, 377, 378, 381, 384, 385, 390, 392, 393, 395,397-400, 402-406 Topps 1966 (14) 450, 524, 528, 540, 543, 544, 547, 558, 561, 569, 586, 589-591 Topps 1967 (1) Tom Housley -----Original Message----- From: Fong, Bobby To: 'Tom Housley' ; Fong, Suzanne Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:49 pm Subject: RE: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News Dear Tom, What a generous and thoughtful gesture! I do maintain a wantlist (attached), and I thank you for requesting it. I had a chance to surf the oldbaseball.com website and felt an affinity with you: the cards are reminders of players and personal childhoods gone by, not =E2=9Cinvestments.=E2=9D I look forward to furthering your acquaintance as well as that of other members of the club. Warmly, Bobby Bobby Fong Ursinus College 601 East Main Street Collegeville, PA 19426-1000 From: Tom Housley [mailto:directorth@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:35 PM To: Fong, Bobby; Fong, Suzanne Subject: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News Hello Dr. & Mrs. Fong, I read with interest the article profiling Dr. Fong & his life-long love ofbaseball cards. I am a member of OBC (oldbaseball.com) - an on-line group of about 120 collectors of vintage baseball cards. We have members throughout the USA, & one of our members shared the link to the on-line article from the Montgomery News about Dr. Fong. One of the things that makes OBC unique is that we're not really focused onconventional card trading. Rather, most of the time we send cards to each other via Random Act Of Kindness - basically, one of us sees that someone else needs a card - or cards - we may have, and so we just send them the card(s) with no expectation of getting anything in return. We're also not concerned about the condition of the cards. We're more than just a group of people collecting cards; we've established close friendships over the years -even if we only see each other once every year or two at major card shows such as The National Sports Card Collectors Convention. Having given you a very truncated version of our philosophy, we were wondering if Dr. Fong has an electronic copy of his wantlist (cards he still needs). If so, I'm sure I speak for all of us in OBC in saying we would love totry and help Dr. Fong obtain cards he may need or want for his collection.I assure you that none of us ask for or wish anything in return - just thesatisfaction of possibly helping a fellow collector. This may seem all rather odd - and so if you're wondering "who ARE these people?" - I invite you to check out our web page at oldbaseball.com, just tofind out more about us. Dr. Fong, if you have a wantlist you wish to share, you may e-mail it to me; or if you have it posted on-line, you could just as easily point me to the URL. If we find something we can send to you - again, we wish nothing in return - I can contact you & ask for a mailing address. I hope you will forgive me for seeking out your e-mail addresses from the Ursinus College website & contacting you out of the blue like this, but someone in OBC posed the question about finding your wantlist so we could help,and so I took it upon myself to do so. Tom Housley OBC Advisory Council member ================= To: Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 21:23:42 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on I'd go for the white cardboard piece, but only if he combines shipping. $3 is too rich for my blood... ;) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: b_betza@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 01:35:41 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... First--- I found a really beat up '64 Mantle on E-Bay--- $30 BIN--- not sure if you'd be overpaying but here it is: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-50-Mickey-Mantle-Yankees-Fair-Filler-/181029261708?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem2a262f518c Next...Now I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of cardboard....maybe I missed this set on my wantlist :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILLER-/350577775241?ptUS_Football&hashitem51a0105289 Brian Betza ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 02:41:43 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob Donaldson From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions 1.) I'm not sure what month you're coming into town, but you shouldn't havetoo many problems getting tickets. With the Cubs, you will probably have to pay more for good seats, but if you don't care where you sit, you should be able to find some on stub hub. With the Sox, they won't sellout.Not with a weekday game. Doesn't matter if it's the Red Sox or Yankees. You can walk up day of and get tix for that one. 2 & 3 might go together, depending on where you guys stay. If you aregoing to be using public transportation, gp the cheap route. There are some good hotels around Rosemont (site of the Chicago National) that some of the guys have already chiimed in about. I would think priceline is an option as well. If you want to stay down on Michigan Ave close to the lake, nothing will be cheap. With either airport, it's very easy to catch public trans or get yourself a cab. If you don't want a lot of travel time, get your hotel first and then take a look at what's around. If you stay in Rosemont, the O'Hare airport is very close. I hope this helps. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donaldson" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 7, 2013 6:01:50 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Questions I=E2=99ve a question for our Chicago contingent. My friends and I are planning a trip to Chicago to see the Red Sox. Currently we are contemplating Sat the 18 th Through Tuesday the 21 st , going to Wrigley Sat 18, Sun 19 (vs Mets) and Comiskey on Monday20 th night vs Red Sox. I=E2=99ve not been to Chicago in about 15-20 years. Couple of questions. 1) Any chance we will have trouble getting tickets? There will be 5-6 of us. 2) Hotel recommendations? Like most (I think) OBCers, we are pretty cheap. 3) Any preference to O=E2=99Hare vs. Midaway. I think the best flights we=E2=99ve seen are to Midway (Jetblue). ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 19:13:30 -0800 To: Tom Housley From: BBC Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News [1 Attachment] I have 1966 #558 in really nice condition. I'll send it out when you give the say so. Thanks Tom John Stamper Happy New Year! On Jan 8, 2013, at 5:57 PM, Tom Housley wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Tom Housley included below] > Hi gang, > Well, that was fast: Dr. Bobby Fong has replied & seems to be not only interested in OBC, but as you can see from his e-mail, he also appears to be quite a nice guy. He's sent his wantlist; it's rather sparse & I've pasted it below. So, let's see what we can do about convincing him what a great group we are. His signature includes his mailing address at the college, but I'm not sure if he'd be comfortable getting OBC mail there. > I'm going to double-check to see what his condition requirements are - ifany - and to see if he's interested in starting any new sets (as you can see, not only is is WL sparse, but it's got a lot of toughies on it). For now, if you pull anything, hold off on sending until I find out condition requirements & his preferred mailing address. > Dr. Bobby Fong's wantlist: > Topps 1951 Blue Backs (15) > 1, 2, 4, 5, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 37, 39, 42, 44, 45, 50 > Topps 1952 (69) > 49, 179, 186, 257, 268, 272, 280, 281, 296, 309, 311-315, 317-319, 321, 323, 324, 326, 328-331, 333, 335, 337, 339, 341, 342, 345, 347, 350, 351, 354-362, 366-370, 373, 377, 378, 381, 384, 385, 390, 392, 393, 395, 397-400,402-406 > Topps 1966 (14) > 450, 524, 528, 540, 543, 544, 547, 558, 561, 569, 586, 589-591 > Topps 1967 (1) > 587 > Tom Housley > -----Original Message----- > From: Fong, Bobby > To: 'Tom Housley' ; Fong, Suzanne > Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:49 pm > Subject: RE: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News > Dear Tom, > What a generous and thoughtful gesture! I do maintain a wantlist (attached), and I thank you for requesting it. I had a chance to surf the oldbaseball.com website and felt an affinity with you: the cards are reminders of players and personal childhoods gone by, not =E2=9Cinvestments.=E2=9DI look forward to furthering your acquaintance as well as that of other members of the club. > Warmly, Bobby > Bobby Fong > President > Ursinus College > 601 East Main Street > Collegeville, PA 19426-1000 > 610-409-3587 > bfong@ursinus.edu > From: Tom Housley [mailto:directorth@aol.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:35 PM > To: Fong, Bobby; Fong, Suzanne > Subject: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News > Hello Dr. & Mrs. Fong, > I read with interest the article profiling Dr. Fong & his life-long love of baseball cards. I am a member of OBC (oldbaseball.com) - an on-line group of about 120 collectors of vintage baseball cards. We have members throughout the USA, & one of our members shared the link to the on-line article from the Montgomery News about Dr. Fong. > One of the things that makes OBC unique is that we're not really focused on conventional card trading. Rather, most of the time we send cards to each other via Random Act Of Kindness - basically, one of us sees that someoneelse needs a card - or cards - we may have, and so we just send them the card(s) with no expectation of getting anything in return. We're also not concerned about the condition of the cards. We're more than just a group of people collecting cards; we've established close friendships over the years- even if we only see each other once every year or two at major card shows such as The National Sports Card Collectors Convention. > Having given you a very truncated version of our philosophy, we were wondering if Dr. Fong has an electronic copy of his wantlist (cards he still needs). If so, I'm sure I speak for all of us in OBC in saying we would love to try and help Dr. Fong obtain cards he may need or want for his collection. I assure you that none of us ask for or wish anything in return - just the satisfaction of possibly helping a fellow collector. > This may seem all rather odd - and so if you're wondering "who ARE these people?" - I invite you to check out our web page at oldbaseball.com, just to find out more about us. > Dr. Fong, if you have a wantlist you wish to share, you may e-mail it to me; or if you have it posted on-line, you could just as easily point me to the URL. If we find something we can send to you - again, we wish nothing in return - I can contact you & ask for a mailing address. > I hope you will forgive me for seeking out your e-mail addresses from theUrsinus College website & contacting you out of the blue like this, but someone in OBC posed the question about finding your wantlist so we could help, and so I took it upon myself to do so. > Respectully, > Tom Housley > OBC Advisory Council member > Attachment(s) from Tom Housley > 1 of 1 File(s) > WANTLIST.doc > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (1) > RECENT ACTIVITY: > Visit Your Group > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.html ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2013 23:17:20 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... That's the variation, Brian. The other one is a slightly different shade ofwhite. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: B-999 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... Next...Now I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of cardboard....maybe I missed this set on my wantlist :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILLER-/350577775241?ptUS_Football&hashitem51a0105289 Brian Betza Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms ofUse =E2=A2 Send us Feedback ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 04:39:52 -0800 (PST) To: Glenn Codere , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... Is that anything like a whiter shade of pale? Mike Mackie From: Glenn Codere To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 1:17:26 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on That's the variation, Brian. The other one is a slightly different shade of Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: B-999 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 1:35 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... Next...Now I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of cardboard....maybe I missed this set on my wantlist :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILLER-/350577775241?ptUS_Football&hashitem51a0105289 Brian Betza Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest =E2=A2 Unsubscribe =E2=A2 Terms ofUse =E2=A2 Send us ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 07:06:08 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Dr. Fong WL 1966 #547 in typical OBC condition ready to go. Lynn ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:24:35 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Set Completion! Knocked off one of the 2013 goals early...completing the E95 Philadelphia Caramel set with Honus Wagner! OBC help from Andy Cook and Brian Lindholme along the way. ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:37:03 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... I'd question the authenticity of the white cardboard, as I have gotten a few of them myself (Topps Heritage maybe?) and I've never bought any of the Panini products. Nice find on the Mantle though. As it is seriously miscut, I wonder who it is in the card next to him? Ken M In a message dated 1/8/2013 8:35:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, b_betza@yahoo.com writes: First--- I found a really beat up '64 Mantle on E-Bay--- $30 BIN--- not sure if you'd be overpaying but here it is: http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-50-Mickey-Mantle-Yankees-Fair-Filler-/181 Next...Now I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of cardboard....maybe I missed this set on my wantlist :) http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILL Brian Betza OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:40:33 -0500 To: Ken Morganti From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... Thanks to the Virtual Card Collection, looks like #72 Chico Cardenas to Mantle's left. http://www.vintagecardtraders.org/virtual/64topps/64topps.html On Wed, Jan 9, 2013 at 2:37 PM, wrote: > ** > ** > I'd question the authenticity of the white cardboard, as I have gotten a > few of them myself (Topps Heritage maybe?) and I've never bought any of the > Panini products. Nice find on the Mantle though. As it is seriously miscut, > I wonder who it is in the card next to him? > Ken M > In a message dated 1/8/2013 8:35:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > b_betza@yahoo.com writes: > First--- I found a really beat up '64 Mantle on E-Bay--- $30 BIN--- not > sure if you'd be overpaying but here it is: > http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-50-Mickey-Mantle-Yankees-Fair-Filler-/181029261708?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem2a262f518c > Next...Now I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of > cardboard....maybe I missed this set on my wantlist :) > http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILLER-/350577775241?ptUS_Football&hashitem51a0105289 > Brian Betza > ------------------------------------ > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory > Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page > or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 11:42:35 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... Ken, you just know that someone in OBC will know that without even doing the detective work!!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "cardclctor@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '64 Mantle and a piece of white cardboard on E-Bay... I'd question the authenticity of the white cardboard, as I have gotten a few of them myself (Topps Heritage maybe?) and I've never bought any of the Panini products. Nice find on the Mantle though. As it is seriously miscut,I wonder who it is in the card next to him? Ken M In a message dated 1/8/2013 8:35:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, b_betza@yahoo.com writes: First--- I found a really beat up '64 Mantle on E-Bay--- $30 BIN--- not sure if you'd be overpaying but here it is: >http://www.ebay.com/itm/1964-Topps-50-Mickey-Mantle-Yankees-Fair-Filler-/181029261708?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem2a262f518c I know you can sell anything on E-Bay--- a white piece of cardboard....maybe missed this set on my wantlist >http://www.ebay.com/itm/2012-Panini-Prestige-Blank-White-Cardboard-Card-FILLER-/350577775241?ptUS_Football&hashitem51a0105289 >OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/join > (Yahoo! ID http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:06:15 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mike diamanti Subject: Nobody goes to HOF this year Well Cardboard Lovers: As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. "At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in 1947. "It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger And from Al Kaline: "I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= To: , Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 19:18:24 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Here is my concise reply: Boola Boola, and cheers for Al Kaline! I agree with him completely. Though the Hall should still vote in Tommy John and Jim Fr. Pat To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: islandcoffeeman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:06:15 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Well Cardboard Lovers: As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. "At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in 1947. "It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: "I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating." These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 01:43:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikerw7@gmail.com Subject: Re: Fwd: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News I love this! So out of curiosity, will this be the first member that we've gone out and recruited, en masse? Obviously we've done our individual recruiting, but Ikind of like the idea that the group is finding a kindred spirit and reaching out together. I hope he's interested in new sets. Thanks for initiating, Tom and others. I'm looking forward to seeing wherethis BTW, anybody else catch the news of the baseball card from the 1860s going up for auction. Looks like it was more of a handmade production, but they still made multiple of the same type. Peace and Joy, Mike R-W --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Tom Housley wrote: > Hi gang, > Well, that was fast: Dr. Bobby Fong has replied & seems to be not only interested in OBC, but as you can see from his e-mail, he also appears to be quite a nice guy. He's sent his wantlist; it's rather sparse & I've pasted it below. So, let's see what we can do about convincing him what a great group we are. His signature includes his mailing address at the college, but I'm not sure if he'd be comfortable getting OBC mail there. > I'm going to double-check to see what his condition requirements are - ifany - and to see if he's interested in starting any new sets (as you can see, not only is is WL sparse, but it's got a lot of toughies on it). For now, if you pull anything, hold off on sending until I find out condition requirements & his preferred mailing address. > Dr. Bobby Fong's wantlist: > Topps 1951 Blue Backs (15) > 1, 2, 4, 5, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 37, 39, 42, 44, 45, 50 > Topps 1952 (69) > 49, 179, 186, 257, 268, 272, 280, 281, 296, 309, 311-315,317-319, 321, 323, 324, 326, 328-331, 333, 335, 337, 339, 341, 342, 345, 347,350, 351, 354-362, 366-370, 373, 377, 378, 381, 384, 385, 390, 392, 393, 395,397-400, 402-406 > Topps 1966 (14) > 450, 524, 528, 540, 543, 544, 547, 558, 561, 569, 586, 589-591 > Topps 1967 (1) > 587 > Tom Housley > -----Original Message----- > From: Fong, Bobby > To: 'Tom Housley' ; Fong, Suzanne > Sent: Tue, Jan 8, 2013 5:49 pm > Subject: RE: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News > Dear Tom, > What a generous and thoughtful gesture! I do maintain a wantlist (attached), and I thank you for requesting it. I had a chance to surf the oldbaseball.com website and felt an affinity with you: the cards are reminders of players and personal childhoods gone by, not =E2=9Cinvestments.=E2=9DI look forward to furthering your acquaintance as well as that of other members of the club. > Warmly, Bobby > Bobby Fong > President > Ursinus College > 601 East Main Street > Collegeville, PA 19426-1000 > 610-409-3587 > bfong@... > From: Tom Housley [mailto:directorth@...] > Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2013 1:35 PM > To: Fong, Bobby; Fong, Suzanne > Subject: Article about Dr. Fong in the Montgomery News > Hello Dr. & Mrs. Fong, > I read with interest the article profiling Dr. Fong & his life-long love of baseball cards. I am a member of OBC (oldbaseball.com) - an on-line group of about 120 collectors of vintage baseball cards. We have members throughout the USA, & one of our members shared the link to the on-line article from the Montgomery News about Dr. Fong. > One of the things that makes OBC unique is that we're not really focused on conventional card trading. Rather, most of the time we send cards to each other via Random Act Of Kindness - basically, one of us sees that someoneelse needs a card - or cards - we may have, and so we just send them the card(s) with no expectation of getting anything in return. We're also not concerned about the condition of the cards. We're more than just a group of people collecting cards; we've established close friendships over the years- even if we only see each other once every year or two at major card shows such as The National Sports Card Collectors Convention. > Having given you a very truncated version of our philosophy, we were wondering if Dr. Fong has an electronic copy of his wantlist (cards he still needs). If so, I'm sure I speak for all of us in OBC in saying we would love to try and help Dr. Fong obtain cards he may need or want for his collection. I assure you that none of us ask for or wish anything in return - just the satisfaction of possibly helping a fellow collector. > This may seem all rather odd - and so if you're wondering "who ARE these people?" - I invite you to check out our web page at oldbaseball.com, just to find out more about us. > Dr. Fong, if you have a wantlist you wish to share, you may e-mail it to me; or if you have it posted on-line, you could just as easily point me to the URL. If we find something we can send to you - again, we wish nothing in return - I can contact you & ask for a mailing address. > I hope you will forgive me for seeking out your e-mail addresses from theUrsinus College website & contacting you out of the blue like this, but someone in OBC posed the question about finding your wantlist so we could help, and so I took it upon myself to do so. > Respectully, > Tom Housley > OBC Advisory Council member ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 21:08:14 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: They got it right The BBWA got it right this year. Roids and HGH are true performance enhancing drugs, with the ability to produce more fast twitch muscle fiber which would translate into faster bat speed, and much faster recovery from injury. Not the same as anti-fatigue drugs such as amphetamines. If you want proof that some of these guys used these substances, just look at their head size. Only one thing will cause your head to get larger after age 22 or thereabouts, HGH. Hats off to Al Kaline. ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 18:32:48 -0800 (PST) To: obcjohn@knology.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] They got it right I was not too surprised in view of this year's candidates. I would have liked see one or both of the Killer Bs make it but that's mostly sentiment speaking.As a Tiger fan I was a little disappointed that Morrisdidn't it, but I won't argue too vigorously. Also as a Tiger fan I was very pleased that Kalineshared his thoughts and I could not agree more. Again not surprising knowing the class act that he is. "we keep what we give away!" From: "obcjohn@knology.net" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, January 9, 2013 9:08:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] They got it right The BBWA got it right this year. Roids and HGH are true performance enhancing drugs, with the ability to produce more fast twitch muscle fiber which would translate into faster bat speed, and much faster recovery from injury. Not the same as anti-fatigue drugs such as amphetamines. If you want proof that some of these guys used these substances, just look at their head size. Only one will cause your head to get larger after age 22 or thereabouts, HGH. Hats to Al Kaline. ================= Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2013 21:08:38 -0600 To: obcjohn@knology.net From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] They got it right I would submit that they got it wrong, wrong, wrong. I cry no tears for Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, McGwire or Palmario, but when Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, McGriff and Raines are automatically included as snubs because of the way they looked or just because they played at the wrong time seems wrong on many levels. When great players that were full of the Hall's desire for integrity, and came from pre-steroids eras, Trammell, Murphy, Mattingly, Lee Smith, are also ignored, it shows that the voters just don't know what they want Greg (yaz) On 1/9/2013 8:08 PM, obcjohn@knology.net wrote: > The BBWA got it right this year. Roids and HGH are true performance > enhancing drugs, with the ability to produce more fast twitch muscle > fiber which would translate into faster bat speed, and much faster > recovery from injury. Not the same as anti-fatigue drugs such as > amphetamines. If you want proof that some of these guys used these > substances, just look at their head size. Only one thing will cause > your head to get larger after age 22 or thereabouts, HGH. Hats off to > Al Kaline. > Bama ================= To: Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 22:08:42 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I have a couple questions on the whole idea of who should be in the HOF. I always thought the purpose was to put in the best players of their era. Regardless, my questions... A ) Should any player who admitted to cheating be removed from the HOF? B ) Should any player who partook of banned or illegal substance be removedfrom the HOF? Inquiring minds want to know... :) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: islandcoffeeman@gmail.com Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 17:06:15 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Well Cardboard Lovers: As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. "At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in 1947. "It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: "I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating." These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2013 20:53:01 -0800 (PST) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Jeffrey Whitworth Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger part every day. We have drug companies and supplement companies making billions upon billions of dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a prescription for testosterone at the local =E2=9CYouth Clinic=E2=9D with little effortat all, whether I need it or not. Trust me on this one. I frequent a gym where at least a quarter of the members are taking some kind of =E2=9Cillegal performance enhancing Trust me on this one too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on these drugs. If you don=E2=99t think so, I have a bridge to sell you. Things going to get better, they are only going to get worse. We can all argue the effects of =E2=9Csteroids=E2=9D on an adult man, but there is truly little scientific proof that they are damaging. I wish there was more. All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the HOF and not let another player in if we are going to allow =E2=9Cvoters=E2=9D to keep =E2=9Csuspicious=E2=9D players out. If you really think that no one in a group like Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, McGriff and Raines took a PED during their career, then I feel you are being very naive. Heck, Bagwell was huge, and you can=E2=99t tell me he looked any more natural than I=E2=99m just saying that we need to wake up and accept that we are in a different time from when Kaline played. partake in all kinds of medical advancements that the Kaline=E2=99s of the world didn=E2=99t have access to. Are those cheating? I think the typical fan would be appalled what some athletes do to make their next start. PEDs are going to be part of the future of sports whether you like it or not. We=E2=99ll all be dead but you can mark my word. This is why I collect vintage cards! LOL From: mike diamanti To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Well Cardboard Lovers: As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. "At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in 1947. "It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: "I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating." These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 14:39:14 -0500 To: Jeffrey Whitworth , From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:23:08 -0800 (PST) To: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" , From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Well said, Wes. I think it is a travesty that baseball writers are essentially making these decisions without thinking about the larger context.Why is it, for example, that a huge burst of players playing longer than ever at a higher level of skill and pitching 300-innings a year happens in the late 1960s-early 1970s when amphetamine use gets popular. Plus, supposedly Babe Ruth missed most of 1923 because he got a testosterone shot that got infected--which sounds a lot like primitive attempt to do steroids. What really bugs me, though, is that guys like Morris and Raines (who no one attaches to steroids) got caught in the undertow of these writers who protested by sending in a blank ballot. I would expect thatkind of "pay-attention-to-me" nonsense from my 5-year old--and I would never trust her to vote for the HOF. From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" To: Jeffrey Whitworth ; "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I agree with Jeff. We need to remember how things have changed. Would Ty Cobb have an advantage because the stimulant cocaine was in his soda pop, andonly a few pitchers knew how to throw a curve ball? If Cy Youngs elbow wassore, wouldn't he have an "advantage" for having used simple meds like ibuprofen or asprin? (heck, Nolan Ryan used to advertise for Tylenol!) Point is, any number of things can be considered performance enhancing, depending on the times. Imagine if Mantle had access to creatine! Also, lets keep it real. Bonds used roids, ok, Ruth didnt. But lets also consider some of the things Ruth also didnt do. In 1921, some parks were smaller, Ruth was hitting 80 mph fastballs, not 85mph breaking balls and 98 mph fastballs. Im sorry, but I think it would take Hornsby and Dimaggio a whole generation to get used to pitchers like Justin Look at the other great American game. Football. At 5-10, 200 lbs in 1941, you were a monster nose tackle. These guys would be murdered in 1968, when offensive linemen were 6-4, 280 lbs. Today, you have linebackers around 250lbs of solid muscle, lightning speed, with nose tackle support by guys standing 6-6, weighing 310 lbs. These are obvious differences. And they already say Ray Lewis is a shoe in for Canton, perhaps rightfully so. But wasnt he at obe time, a murder suspect? Now back to baseball, we got Pete Rose, arguably the best actual player known to the diamond. And he may never live to see Cooperstown. I respect keeping integrity in Cooperstown, but sometimes I wonder if being over zealous is actually making things worse, at least for anyone who started MLB post 1980? Wes Shepard Sent from my LG phone Jeffrey Whitworth jwhitworth30@yahoo.com> wrote: >Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger >part every day. We have drug companies and supplement companies making billions >upon billions of dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a prescription for >testosterone at the local =E2=9CYouth Clinic=E2=9D with little effort at all, whether I >need it or not. Trust me on this one. I frequent a gym where at least a quarter >of the members are taking some kind of =E2=9Cillegal performance enhancing >Trust me on this one too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on >these drugs. If you don=E2=99t think so, I have a bridge to sell you. Things >going to get better, they are only going to get worse. We can all argue the >effects of =E2=9Csteroids=E2=9D on an adult man, but there is truly little scientific proof >that they are damaging. I wish there was more. >All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the >HOF and not let another player in if we are going to allow =E2=9Cvoters=E2=9D to keep =E2=9Csuspicious=E2=9D >players out. If you really think that no one in a group like Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, McGriff and Raines took a PED during their career, then I feel you are being very naive. Heck, >Bagwell was huge, and you can=E2=99t tell me he looked any more naturalthan >I=E2=99m just saying that we need >to wake up and accept that we are in a different time from when Kaline played. >partake in all kinds of medical advancements that the Kaline=E2=99s of the world didn=E2=99t >have access to. Are those cheating? I think the typical fan would be appalled >what some athletes do to make their next start. PEDs are going to be part of >the future of sports whether you like it or not. We=E2=99ll all be deadbut you can >mark my word. >This is why I collect vintage >cards! LOL > From: mike diamanti islandcoffeeman@gmail.com> >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year >Well Cardboard Lovers: >As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. >"At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be >three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, >umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen >last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era >before integration in 1947. >"It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was >among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players >should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or >the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no >evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared >themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: >"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline > said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a >little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these >new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some > of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to >me, it's cheating." >These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enoughof you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... >Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 13:56:35 -0800 (PST) To: Edward Watts , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year The HOF is on the verge of becoming irrelevant because there is no clear standard on how to judge thecurrent generation (players who began their after about 1985) of ballplayers. Election used to be based on a players' stats, which is the way it should be. There is plenty of difference of about what stats warranted election, and frankly that was a lot of the fun (for me). I would argue, for example, that Jack Morris and Bert Blyleven belong while Jim Kaat and Tommy John do not. Today's players are being held to different and increasingly unknown standard, one which is much more subjective and as this year's voting shows itborders on the expression of "throwing the baby with the bath water". Taking a step back - baseball has its own laws. It always has. When with indiscretions, baseball law trumps actual law. This goes back atleast the selection of Kenesaw Mountain Landis as the first commissioner to deal with the Black Sox scandal. The eight players involved in allegedly throwing 1919 World Serieswere acquitted by a jury, but Landis banished them anyway he did at least a dozen other players. Betting on baseball violates baseball law, even legal bets. This is the reason Pete Rose is banned. His bets were legal, they just violated baseball law. Moving ahead to the generation in question. PEDs have violated the law for many years but until 2004 they were effectively legal under baseball law because there was no punishment for using them. The players union wassostrong thatthe players could pretty much do as they pleased. People looked the other way. Because there was no real deterrent and steroids were widely used. Because there was no testing, there is no real way of knowing for sure who did and who didn't use them so we're left with a "guilt by association" mentality. It's a realmess. From my standpoint, applying the standard of baseball law, any players who did or may have used steroids before 2004 should not be penalized because this was not a violation of baseball law. If they had a Hall of Fame career - put in. It's a real shame that the best hitter and best pitcher of our lifetime not in the Hall of Fame - even if they are first rate jerks and egomaniacs. Until we can get back to judging HOF candidates by their stats, I'm not sure matters who's in anymore. Mike Mackie From: Edward Watts To: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" ; Jeffrey Whitworth ; "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 3:23:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Well said, Wes. I think it is a travesty that baseball writers are essentially making these decisions without thinking about the larger context. Whyis for example, that a huge burst of players playing longer than ever at a higher level of skill and pitching 300-innings a year happens in the late 1960s-early 1970s when amphetamine use gets popular. Plus, supposedly Babe Ruth missed of 1923 because he got a testosterone shot that got infected--which sounds a like primitive attempt to do steroids. What really bugs me, though, is guys like Morris and Raines (who no one attaches to steroids) got caught inthe undertow of these writers who protested by sending in a blank ballot. I expect that kind of "pay-attention-to-me" nonsense from my 5-year old--and I would never trust her to vote for the HOF. From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" To: Jeffrey Whitworth ; "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I agree with Jeff. We need to remember how things have changed. Would Ty Cobb have an advantage because the stimulant cocaine was in his soda pop, and only few pitchers knew how to throw a curve ball? If Cy Youngs elbow was sore, wouldn't he have an "advantage" for having used simple meds like ibuprofen or asprin? (heck, Nolan Ryan used to advertise for Tylenol!) Point is, any number of things can be considered performance enhancing, depending on the times. Imagine if Mantle had access to creatine! Also, lets keep it real. Bonds used roids, ok, Ruth didnt. But lets also consider someof the things Ruth also didnt do. In 1921, some parks were smaller, Ruth was hitting 80 mph fastballs, not 85mph breaking balls and 98 mph fastballs. Im sorry, but I think it would take Hornsby and Dimaggio a whole generation to get used to pitchers like Justin Verlander. Look at the other great American game. Football. At 5-10, 200 lbs in 1941, you were a monster nose tackle. These guys would be murdered in 1968, when offensive linemen were 6-4, 280 lbs. Today, you have linebackers around 250 lbs of solid muscle, lightning speed, with nose tackle support by guys standing 6-6, weighing 310 lbs. These are obvious differences. And they already say Ray Lewis is ashoe in for Canton, perhaps rightfully so. But wasnt he at obe time, a murder Now back to baseball, we got Pete Rose, arguably the best actual player known the diamond. And he may never live to see Cooperstown. I respect keeping integrity in Cooperstown, but sometimes I wonder if being over zealous is actually making things worse, at least for anyone who started MLB post 1980? Wes Shepard Sent from my LG phone Jeffrey Whitworth jwhitworth30@yahoo.com> wrote: >Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger >part every day. We have drug companies and supplement companies making billions >upon billions of dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a prescription for >testosterone at the local =E2=9CYouth Clinic=E2=9D with little effort at all, whether I >need it or not. Trust me on this one. I frequent a gym where at least a quarter >of the members are taking some kind of =E2=9Cillegal performance enhancing >Trust me on this one too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on >these drugs. If you don=E2=99t think so, I have a bridge to sell you. Things >going to get better, they are only going to get worse. We can all argue the >effects of =E2=9Csteroids=E2=9D on an adult man, but there is truly little >that they are damaging. I wish there was more. >All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the >HOF and not let another player in if we are going to allow =E2=9Cvoters=E2=9D to keep >players out. If you really think that no one in a group like Biggio, Bagwell, >Piazza, McGriff and Raines took a PED during their career, then I feel youare >being very naive. Heck, >Bagwell was huge, and you can=E2=99t tell me he looked any more naturalthan >I=E2=99m just saying that we need >to wake up and accept that we are in a different time from when Kaline played. >partake in all kinds of medical advancements that the Kaline=E2=99s of the >have access to. Are those cheating? I think the typical fan would be appalled >what some athletes do to make their next start. PEDs are going to be part of >the future of sports whether you like it or not. We=E2=99ll all be deadbut you can >mark my word. >This is why I collect vintage >cards! LOL > From: mike diamanti islandcoffeeman@gmail.com> >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year >Well Cardboard Lovers: >As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected >the Baseball HOF this year. >"At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be >three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, >umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen >last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era >before integration in 1947. >"It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was >among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players >should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or >the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no >evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared >themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: >"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline > said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a >little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these >new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some > of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to >me, it's cheating." >These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enoughof >you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... >Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 19:25:28 -0500 To: Mike Mackie , Edward Watts From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 21:52:59 -0600 To: Jeffrey Whitworth From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I am not naive. I realize that every athlete in professional sports 'could' have taken steroids. Every man or woman with more muscles than me 'could' be on the 'juice'. Heck, if the subject comes up in a group conversation, there will always be someone(s) that will solidly declare that "They're ALL on steroids!" Those athletes that have been accused because of tangible evidence produced by tests or witnesses are pretty much going to wear the label as users whether they admit it or not. But my conscience will not let me declare a person a user if there is no other reason to claim he is than because he is built. That can be done without steroids or HGH. The person that thinks it can't is the person that I would think is naive. It takes much more dedication and work but professional athletes are supposed to adhere to those higher standards. If something comes out tomorrow that indicates that Biggio, Bagwell, or heck, even Greg Maddox, Rickey Henderson, Ted Kluzuski or Jimmy Foxx did a PED, well, I'll not be surprised, (well, maybe a little in the cases of Klu & Foxx), but until then I won't denounce them as users. I know I'm in the minority on this as I am on a lot of the stuff that comes out in our 24 hour news cycle. I just hate to jump to conclusions without evidence. I usually catch a lot of flack for that but I'm ok with that. On 1/9/2013 10:53 PM, Jeffrey Whitworth wrote: > Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger part every > day. We have drug companies and supplement companies making billions > upon billions of dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a > prescription for testosterone at the local “Youth Clinic” with little > effort at all, whether I need it or not. Trust me on this one. I > frequent a gym where at least a quarter of the members are taking some > kind of “illegal performance enhancing drug.” Trust me on this one > too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on these drugs. If > you don’t think so, I have a bridge to sell you. Things aren’t going > to get better, they are only going to get worse. We can all argue the > effects of “steroids” on an adult man, but there is truly little > scientific proof that they are damaging. I wish there was more. > All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the HOF and > not let another player in if we are going to allow “voters” to keep > “suspicious” players out. If you really think that no one in a group > like Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, McGriff and Raines took a PED during > their career, then I feel you are being very naive. Heck, Bagwell was > huge, and you can’t tell me he looked any more natural than McGwire.. > I’m just saying that we need to wake up and accept that we are in a > different time from when Kaline played. Players partake in all kinds > of medical advancements that the Kaline’s of the world didn’t have > access to. Are those cheating? I think the typical fan would be > appalled by what some athletes do to make their next start. PEDs are > going to be part of the future of sports whether you like it or not. > We’ll all be dead but you can mark my word. > This is why I collect vintage cards! LOL > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* mike diamanti > *To:* obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year > Well Cardboard Lovers: > As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be > elected to the Baseball HOF this year. > "At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be > three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob > Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They > were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals > from the era before integration in 1947. > "It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among > the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should > organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the > writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no > evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've > cleared themselves like Roger Clemens." > And from Al Kaline: > "I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al > Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've > felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some > of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how > great some of these players up for election would've been without > drugs. But to me, it's cheating." > These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" > enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... > Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:18:14 -0800 (PST) To: Yaz , Jeffrey Whitworth From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year We have been here before and will be again. I alwayslook forward to the and varied opinions expressed and have on occasion let mine be known. I value the opinions of my fellow OBCers and have always been impressed with the arguments presented on both or many sides of an issue. Heck, I've vacillated bit on this topic after reading some of the comments posted the past few days. Having said that,we haveseen on rare occasions comments thatseem or intolerant of others perspectives. We have even seen members who have left went inactive as a result.Let's not let this escalate. Earl"we keep what we give away!" From: Yaz To: Jeffrey Whitworth Cc: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 10:53:08 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I am not naive. I realize that every athlete in professional sports 'could'have taken steroids. Every man or woman with more muscles than me 'could' be on the 'juice'. Heck, if the subject comes up in a group conversation, there will always be someone(s) that will solidly declare that "They're ALL on steroids!" Those athletes that have been accused because of tangible evidence producedby tests or witnesses are pretty much going to wear the label as users whetherthey admit it or not. But my conscience will not let me declare a person a user if there is no other reason to claim he is than because he is built. That can be done without steroids or HGH. The person that thinks it can't is the personthat I would think is naive. It takes much more dedication and work but professional athletes are supposed to adhere to those higher standards. If something comes out tomorrow that indicates that Biggio, Bagwell, or heck, even Greg Maddox, Rickey Henderson, Ted Kluzuski or Jimmy Foxx did a PED, well, I'll not be surprised, (well, maybe a little in the cases of Klu & Foxx), but until then won't denounce them as users. I know I'm in the minority on this as I am ona lot of the stuff that comes out in our 24 hour news cycle. I just hate to jump to conclusions without evidence. I usually catch a lot of flack for that but ok with that. On 1/9/2013 10:53 PM, Jeffrey Whitworth wrote: >Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger part every day.We >have drug companies and supplement companies making billions upon billionsof >dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a prescription for testosterone atthe >local =E2=9CYouth Clinic=E2=9D with little effort at all, whether I need it or not. Trust >me on this one. I frequent a gym where at least a quarter of the members are >taking some kind of =E2=9Cillegal performance enhancing drug.=E2=9D Trust me on this one >too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on these drugs. If youdon=E2=99t >think so, I have a bridge to sell you. Things aren=E2=99t going to get better, >are only going to get worse. We can all argue the effects of =E2=9Csteroids=E2=9D on an >adult man, but there is truly little scientific proof that they are damaging. >wish there was more. >All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the HOF and not let >another player in if we are going to allow =E2=9Cvoters=E2=9D to keep =E2=9Csuspicious=E2=9D players >out. If you really think that no one in a group like Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, >McGriff and Raines took a PED during their career, then I feel you are being >very naive. Heck, Bagwell was huge, and you can=E2=99t tell me he looked any more >natural than McGwire.. >I=E2=99m just saying that we need to wake up and accept that we are in a >time from when Kaline played. Players partake in all kinds of medical >advancements that the Kaline=E2=99s of the world didn=E2=99t have access to. Are those >cheating? I think the typical fan would be appalled by what some athletes do >make their next start. PEDs are going to be part of the future of sports whether >you like it or not. We=E2=99ll all be dead but you can mark my word. >This is why I collect vintage cards! LOL From: mike diamanti >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year >Well Cardboard Lovers: >As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected >the Baseball HOF this year. >"At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be threemen >who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day >and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the >16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in1947. >"It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among thefirst >players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organize sometype >of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most >of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested >positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: >"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. >"I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy >sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about >how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for >election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating." >These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enoughof >you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... >Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= To: , , Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 22:59:21 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Prudently and well stated! I concur with you. Let the evidence be clearly presented before we rush to judgment on who is or was a user. On the other hand, it isn't in the players' interests to reveal that they were users, so evidence might not clearly be presented. In an ideal world, that would be an honest unbiased journalist's job, but we could really stoke the fires of hell having THAT discussion! :) Fr. Pat To: yazobc@insightbb.com; jwhitworth30@yahoo.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: originaleek1@att.net Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2013 20:18:14 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year We have been here before and will be again. I always look forward to the many and varied opinions expressed and have on occasion let mine be known. I value the opinions of my fellow OBCers and have always been impressed with the arguments presented on both or many sides of an issue. Heck, I've vacillated a bit on this topic after reading some of the comments posted the past few days. Having said that, we have seen on rare occasions comments that seem dismissive or intolerant of others perspectives. We have even seen members who have left or went inactive as a result. Let's not let this escalate. Earl"we keep what we give away!" From: Yaz To: Jeffrey Whitworth Cc: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thu, January 10, 2013 10:53:08 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I am not naive. I realize that every athlete in professional sports 'could'have taken steroids. Every man or woman with more muscles than me 'could' be on the 'juice'. Heck, if the subject comes up in a group conversation, there will always be someone(s) that will solidly declare that "They're ALL on steroids!" Those athletes that have been accused because of tangible evidence produced by tests or witnesses are pretty much going to wear the label as users whether they admit it or not. But my conscience will not let me declare a person a user if there is no other reason to claim he is than because he is built. That can be done without steroids or HGH. The person thatthinks it can't is the person that I would think is naive. It takes much more dedication and work but professional athletes are supposed to adhere tothose higher standards. If something comes out tomorrow that indicates that Biggio, Bagwell, or heck, even Greg Maddox, Rickey Henderson, Ted Kluzuski or Jimmy Foxx did a PED, well, I'll not be surprised, (well, maybe a little in the cases of Klu & Foxx), but until then I won't denouncethem as users. I know I'm in the minority on this as I am on a lot of the stuff that comes out in our 24 hour news cycle. I just hate to jump to conclusions without evidence. I usually catch a lot of flack for that but I'm ok with that. On 1/9/2013 10:53 PM, Jeffrey Whitworth wrote: Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger part every day. We have drug companies and supplement companies making billions upon billions of dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a prescription for testosterone at the local =93Youth Clinic=94 with little effort at all, whether I need it or not. Trust me on this one. I frequent a gym where at least a quarter of the members are taking some kind of =93illegal performance enhancing drug.=94 Trust me on this one too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on these drugs. If you don=92t think so, I have a bridge to sell you.Things aren=92t going to get better, they are only going to get worse. We can all argue the effects of =93steroids=94 on an adult man, but there is truly little scientific proof that they are damaging. I wish there was more. All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the HOF and not let another player in if we are going to allow =93voters=94 to keep =93suspicious=94 players out. If you really think that no one in a group like Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, McGriff and Raines took a PED during their career, then I feel you are being very naive. Heck, Bagwell was huge, and you can=92t tell me he looked any more natural than McGwire.. I=92m just saying that we need to wake up and accept that we are in a different time from when Kaline played. Players partake in all kinds of medical advancements that the Kaline=92s of the world didn=92t have access to. Are those cheating? I think the typical fan would be appalled by what some athletes do to make their next start. PEDs are going to be part of the future of sports whether you like it or not. We=92ll all be dead but you can mark my This is why I collect vintage cards! LOL From: mike diamanti To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Well Cardboard Lovers: As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. "At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in 1947. "It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among the first players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organizesome type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger Clemens."And from Al Kaline: "I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a littleuneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating." These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:38:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Dr. Bobby Fong project - update Hi guys, Big thanks to those of you who've volunteered to try to help Dr. Bobby Fong to finish his Topps run. I'm going to see if he can be persuaded to apply to OBC (he sounds interested), and add the '50's Bowman run and the dreaded Topps variations to his list. Dr. Fong as told me he doesn't mind getting mail at his Ursinus College address; he even said he'd tell his secretary to be careful opening anything that might be baseball cards. So if you have a hit for him, go ahead & send it directly to him at Ursinus; the address is below. Based on the e-mails I've received, this is his REVISED wantlist. If anyone else wants to help out, let's try to send out a message to the group first so he doesn't get any duplicates: Topps 1951 Blue Backs (15) 1, 2, 4, 5, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 37, 39, 42, 44, 45, 50 Topps 1952 (68) 49, 179, 186, 257, 268, 272, 280,296, 309, 311-315,317-319, 321, 323,324, 326, 328-331, 333, 335, 337, 339, 341, 342, 345, 347,350, 351, 354-362,366-370, 373, 377, 378, 381, 384, 385, 390, 392, 393, 395, 397-400, 402-406 Topps 1966 (9) 528, 540, 543, 544, 569, 586, 589, 590, 591 Topps 1967 (1) Hits from: Yudt (`52 Topps 281) Stamper ('66 Topps 558) Calvert ('66 Topps 450, 524, 561) L. Miller ('66 Topps 547) Fellas, this is a very nice thing we're doing here, in my humble opinion. It may be a bit unusual since he's not a member, but after all, this is what we're all about. Thanks to all of you who have volunteered to send hits. OBC rules! Dr. Fong's address: Dr. Bobby Fong Ursinus College 601 East Main Street Collegeville, PA 19426-1000 ================= To: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:00:55 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Dr. Bobby Fong project - update I don't have anything to hit those lists but if he decides to add '50 Bowmans, then I think I can help. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 16:38:05 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dr. Bobby Fong project - update Hi guys, Big thanks to those of you who've volunteered to try to help Dr. Bobby Fongto finish his Topps run. I'm going to see if he can be persuaded to apply to OBC (he sounds interested), and add the '50's Bowman run and the dreadedTopps variations to his list. Dr. Fong as told me he doesn't mind getting mail at his Ursinus College address; he even said he'd tell his secretary to be careful opening anything that might be baseball cards. So if you have a hit for him, go ahead & send it directly to him at Ursinus; the address is below. Based on the e-mails I've received, this is his REVISED wantlist. If anyoneelse wants to help out, let's try to send out a message to the group firstso he doesn't get any duplicates: Topps 1951 Blue Backs (15) 1, 2, 4, 5, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 37, 39, 42, 44, 45, 50 Topps 1952 (68) 49, 179, 186, 257, 268, 272, 280,296, 309, 311-315,317-319, 321, 323,324, 326, 328-331, 333, 335, 337, 339, 341, 342, 345, 347,350, 351, 354-362,366-370, 373, 377, 378, 381, 384, 385, 390, 392, 393, 395, 397-400, 402-406 Topps 1966 (9) 528, 540, 543, 544, 569, 586, 589, 590, 591 Topps 1967 (1) Hits from: Yudt (`52 Topps 281) Stamper ('66 Topps 558) Calvert ('66 Topps 450, 524, 561) L. Miller ('66 Topps 547) Fellas, this is a very nice thing we're doing here, in my humble opinion. It may be a bit unusual since he's not a member, but after all, this is whatwe're all about. Thanks to all of you who have volunteered to send hits. OBC Dr. Fong's address: Dr. Bobby Fong Ursinus College 601 East Main Street Collegeville, PA 19426-1000 ================= To: Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 12:33:50 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: 1961 Topps football question Do any of you have any 1961 Topps football cards (not CFL cards) that have a back printing color other than blue? (dark blue or lighter blue) I bought a 1961 Topps Jack Kemp card on eBay and the back is gray rather than blue. I don't think it is bleached by sunlight. The colors on the front are fine, and the card looks authentic. My only guess about the color is that it was a bad print job. The seller has no idea. None of my other 1961 Topps football cards have a gray back. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:52:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Happy news It's been an emotional rollercoaster in my home over the last few months, but finally some very happy news: today I saw my soon-to-be-grandson for thefirst time. Daughter had an ultrasound, and it's a boy. Little does he know he's the heir to a ton of cardboard pictures of baseball players! ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 17:32:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "chuck.salek" Subject: Advice Needed: Card Show There is a card show tomorrow at 10AM at Hofstra University in Long Island.Here's the link: http://www.nyshows.org/long-island-show/ Is anyone going? Is it worth going to? I can't remember ever going to a card show. How do you recognize a good deal when you see one, and do dealers offer large quantities of vintage commoncards at bargain prices (trying to boost my dupes box)? Any feedback will be much appreciated BR, "Neophyte" Chuck ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 10:37:10 -0800 (PST) To: Yaz From: Jeffrey Whitworth Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year Good points. It'd be a better world if people didn't always jump to conclusions. Your correct though, I'm an immediate conclusion jumper. I can't helpmyself... Jeff Whitworth Have a great OBC day! From: Yaz To: Jeffrey Whitworth Cc: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2013 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year I am not naive. I realize that every athlete in professional sports 'could'have taken steroids. Every man or woman with more muscles than me 'could' be on the 'juice'. Heck, if the subject comes up in a group conversation, there will always be someone(s) that will solidly declare that "They're ALL on steroids!" Those athletes that have been accused because of tangible evidence produced by tests or witnesses are pretty much going to wear the label as users whether they admit it or not. But my conscience will not let me declare a person a user if there is no other reason to claim he is than because he is built. That can be done without steroids or HGH. The person thatthinks it can't is the person that I would think is naive. It takes much more dedication and work but professional athletes are supposed to adhere tothose higher standards. If something comes out tomorrow that indicates that Biggio, Bagwell, or heck, even Greg Maddox, Rickey Henderson, Ted Kluzuski or Jimmy Foxx did a PED, well, I'll not be surprised, (well, maybe a little in the cases of Klu & Foxx), but until then I won't denounce them as users. I know I'm in the minority on this as I am on a lot of the stuff that comes out in our 24 hour news cycle. I just hate to jump to conclusions without evidence. I usually catch a lot of flack for that but I'm ok with On 1/9/2013 10:53 PM, Jeffrey Whitworth wrote: >Drugs are a huge part of our society and becoming a bigger part every day.We have drug companies and supplement companies making billions upon billions of dollars. As a 42 year old man I can get a prescription for testosterone at the local =E2=9CYouth Clinic=E2=9D with little effort at all, whether I need it or not. Trust me on this one. I frequent a gym where at least a quarter of the members are taking some kind of =E2=9Cillegal performance enhancing drug.=E2=9D Trust me on this one too. We have a huge number of professional athletes on these drugs. If you don=E2=99t think so, I have a bridge to sell you. Things aren=E2=99t going to get better, they are only going to get worse. We can all argue the effects of =E2=9Csteroids=E2=9D on an adult man, but there is truly little scientific proof that they are damaging. I wish there was more. >All of this being said, I think we might as well lock up the HOF and not let another player in if we are going to allow =E2=9Cvoters=E2=9D to keep =E2=9Csuspicious=E2=9D players out. If you really think that no one in a group like Biggio, Bagwell, Piazza, McGriff and Raines took a PED during their career, then I feel you are being very naive. Heck, Bagwell washuge, and you can=E2=99t tell me he looked any more natural than McGwire.. >I=E2=99m just saying that we need to wake up and accept that we are in a different time from when Kaline played. Players partake in all kinds of medical advancements that the Kaline=E2=99s of the world didn=E2=99t have access to. Are those cheating? I think the typical fan would be appalled by what some athletes do to make their next start. PEDs are going to be part of the future of sports whether you like it or not. We=E2=99ll all be dead but you can mark my word. >This is why I collect vintage cards! LOL > From: mike diamanti >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, January 9, 2013 6:06 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Nobody goes to HOF this year >Well Cardboard Lovers: >As I read the newspaper tonight, I learned that no one is going to be elected to the Baseball HOF this year. >"At ceremonies in Cooperstown on July 28, the only inductees will be three men who died more than 70 years ago: Yankees owner Jacob Ruppert, umpire Hank O'Day and barehanded catcher Deacon White. They were chosen last month by the 16-member panel considering individuals from the era before integration in >"It is a dark day," said Jose Canseco, the former AL MVP who was among thefirst players to admit using steroids. "I think the players should organize some type of lawsuit against major league baseball or the writers. It's ridiculous. Most of these players really have no evidence against them. They've never tested positive or they've cleared themselves like Roger Clemens." And from Al Kaline: >"I'm kind of glad that nobody got in this year," Hall of Famer Al Kaline said. "I feel honored to be in the Hall of Fame. And I would've felt a little uneasy sitting up there on the stage, listening to some of these new guys talk about how great they were. ... I don't know how great some of these players up for election would've been without drugs. But to me, it's cheating." >These two quotes, from different points of view, ought to "wind up" enough of you for some fairly lively postings to Ramblings..... >Yee-haaaa Diamanti Coffeedude in Coupeville ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 15:56:05 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mike diamanti Subject: More HOF Input Greetings Cardboard Lovers: Just finished reading Nate Silver's (he of 538 blog fame) analysis of where things are at, from his POV, when it comes to HOF voting. Here are his last three paragraphs: "Hall of Fame voting is ultimately designed to be a consensus process. One reason that players tend to gain votes over time is because the writers are looking at what their peers are doing and value the endorsements of their colleagues. Moreover, because they have as many as 15 chances to elect a player, many writers tend toward conservatism initially. There is no way to remove a player from the Hall of Fame once he has been elected, but you can change your mind to include him later. When a writer initially votes =93no=94 on a player, it really means =93wait and see=94 in many cases. But consensus is harder to achieve when members of a group have divergent values and ideologies. Instead of the typical friendly arguments about how a player=92s lifetime accomplishments might be weighed against how dominant he was in his best seasons, or how to compare players at different positions, the writers are now spending most of their time arguing about who used steroids and when, and how this should affect Hall of Fame consideration. Many have passionate beliefs about this, whichever side of the argument they take. An increasing number of writers would like to elect a dozen or more players; an increasing number would like to lose the whole =93steroids era=94 to history. Good-natured debates may be replaced by tactical considerations, as voters make guesses about who everyone else might vote for, or where their ballots might be wasted. Next year will place even more pressure on the voters, when Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, Frank Thomas and Mike Mussina are added to the list of candidates. Those who apply little discount for steroids use may credibly claim to identify 15 or more qualified candidates, and even those who do not may have to drop one or two names that they otherwise see as worthy. The New York Times will probably not have to publish a blank page again, but no one but Maddux seems sure to make it in." Just keeps getting more interesting, doesn't it?..... ================= To: bskp1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2013 20:30:12 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice Needed: Card Show I do not know if any OBCers are going or if this particular show is worthwhile. I am staggered by your comment that you cannot ever remember going toa card show. I cannot recall my first card show, but am pretty sure it was around 1975! I will repeat some of my advice for rookie National attendees, which could translate to your first card show. Absolutely do NOT purchase anythign until you have spent some time at the show. For a smaller show, I would estimate at least an hour for a first timer. This will allow youto determine what is and what is not a good, better or best deal. It is unlikely that any deal you may pass on wil be gone by the time you get come back to it, but that is always a possibility. Some dealers will offer boxes of cards and/or quantity discounts. Many dealers know what OCB is, so ifyou do not have an OBC hat or shirt, ask EACH dealer if they have any OBC material. If they do not know what OBC is, you may not be at the most appropriate table, but you can also tell them about the group and ask them to steer otehr like minded individuals to our website. If you want to have some fun, print off the "Guru Grading Guide" from the website and show it to some dealers. Some will be appalled and others may pull stuff out to show you. Those are teh dealers you may wish to deal with. Keep your eyes and ears open for the Philadephia fka Ft. Washington show, here OBCers will be rpesent and cvan help guide you. It will dwarf Hofstra. Deals can be had at large and small shows if you look hard enough. Best of luck and enjoy. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: chuck.salek To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:32 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice Needed: Card Show There is a card show tomorrow at 10AM at Hofstra University in Long Island.Here's the link: http://www.nyshows.org/long-island-show/ Is anyone going? Is it worth going to? I can't remember ever going to a card show. How do you recognize a good deal when you see one, and do dealers offer large quantities of vintage commoncards at bargain prices (trying to boost my dupes box)? Any feedback will be much appreciated BR, "Neophyte" Chuck ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 16:53:30 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Edward Watts Subject: Sunday Waiver Wire Hi Guys, I have a little waiver wire action to brighten your Sunday. Claim away! 1959T #97 (in NM condition no less) 1960T #30 (in decidedly not NM condition) 1965T #479 Ed Watts ================= To: , Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:28:50 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: OBC Superbowl Pool It is that time of year! When cardboard flies on Super Sunday! IN twelve we have generated more than 4300 hits with this pool. Not bad :) Check out last year's results and the "rules" at: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-12.htm Email me if you want in. Go OBC! ----- Original Message ----- From: kevinm38@aol.com To: seanobc@comcast.net Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 12:46 PM Subject: OBC Superbowl Pool? Hey Sean, I hope all is well. I am just checking to see if I missed the posting for the Superbowl pool Happy Trading, Kevin Martens ================= To: , Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2013 20:38:54 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Dr. Bobby Fong project - update oh! oh! oh! pick me!! I have a '51 blue back #22 for the list. If I don't hear that it has been sent, I will send it out. This is awesome! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Dr. Bobby Fong project - update Hi guys, Big thanks to those of you who've volunteered to try to help Dr. Bobby Fong to finish his Topps run. I'm going to see if he can be persuaded to apply to OBC (he sounds interested), and add the '50's Bowman run and the dreaded Topps variations to his list. Dr. Fong as told me he doesn't mind getting mail at his Ursinus College address; he even said he'd tell his secretary to be careful opening anythingthat might be baseball cards. So if you have a hit for him, go ahead & send it directly to him at Ursinus; the address is below. Based on the e-mails I've received, this is his REVISED wantlist. If anyone else wants to help out, let's try to send out a message to the group first so he doesn't get any duplicates: Topps 1951 Blue Backs (15) 1, 2, 4, 5, 22, 23, 26, 29, 30, 37, 39, 42, 44, 45, 50 Topps 1952 (68) 49, 179, 186, 257, 268, 272, 280,296, 309, 311-315,317-319, 321, 323,324,326, 328-331, 333, 335, 337, 339, 341, 342, 345, 347,350, 351, 354-362,366-370, 373, 377, 378, 381, 384, 385, 390, 392, 393, 395, 397-400, 402-406 Topps 1966 (9) 528, 540, 543, 544, 569, 586, 589, 590, 591 Topps 1967 (1) Hits from: Yudt (`52 Topps 281) Stamper ('66 Topps 558) Calvert ('66 Topps 450, 524, 561) L. Miller ('66 Topps 547) Fellas, this is a very nice thing we're doing here, in my humble opinion.It may be a bit unusual since he's not a member, but after all, this is what we're all about. Thanks to all of you who have volunteered to send hits.OBC Dr. Fong's address: Dr. Bobby Fong Ursinus College 601 East Main Street Collegeville, PA 19426-1000 ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:17:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken" Subject: Wavier Wire Got a few odds and ends looking for a new home. Claim away and be sure to include your address. Ken P. 1966 232 363 371 387 432 1967 79 94 95 380 383 1969 22 61 66 71 1970 305 370 383 393 1972 420 Carlton 1970 Fleer (Black) 42 49 57 1974 Kelloggs 11 13 35 1972-71 Basketball 86 150 189 205 233 ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 16:50:51 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: eBay sale! Attn Joel Shorin collectors! Just kidding, I think you know why this one costs so much. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230710607293?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 It's a bad sign when the 30% discount STILL puts its list price over NM book in SGC. Gonna wait on this one a while longer. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 20:16:32 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: some 1971 topps help? Hi guys, My friend Michael (some may remember him from Vegas, Burbank, and show get togethers) has slowly been working on a 1971 Topps birthyear set for the last decade. This weekend he was in town and we attended a show together for the first time in years. Because of Roger Neufeldt (who says Hi to OBC) andMark Macrae, Michael was able to knock off 26 high number hits and now he is down to the last 21 cards...do not think any of them are really expensive but have not checked them all. If anybody has any of these laying around (he is not picky about condition at all)...I will return fire as best I can. Thanks for looking. 1971 Topps #'s (for my friend Michael!): 580, 630, 648, 649, 650, 654, 655, 658, 665, 666, 669, 671, 672, 673, 680, 692, 693, 694, 735, 740, 750. ================= To: "obc ramblings" , Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 21:28:52 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay sale! Attn Joel Shorin collectors! Is that Frank Shaugnesshy the father of Dan Shaugnesshy (boston sports writer)? Inquiring minds want to know. It looks a little like him. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 4:50 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] eBay sale! Attn Joel Shorin collectors! Just kidding, I think you know why this one costs so much. http://www.ebay.com/itm/230710607293?ssPageNameSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksidp3984.m1423.l2649 It's a bad sign when the 30% discount STILL puts its list price over NM book in SGC. Gonna wait on this one a while longer. ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 14:09:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: '51 Topps red & blue backs on Antiques Roadshow I was drooling seeing all of the unopened packs; check it out: http://video.pbs.org/video/2315778815/ ================= To: , Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:03:15 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '51 Topps red & blue backs on Antiques Roadshow OMG! (sorry) you must watch this video! Holy cow! ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 9:09 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '51 Topps red & blue backs on Antiques Roadshow I was drooling seeing all of the unopened packs; check it out: http://video.pbs.org/video/2315778815/ ================= To: "obc ramblings" Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:07:27 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Stuff you find on the card backs.... Virgil Trucks '54 Bowman #198 "Preceding season (1952) Virgil compiled one of the oddest records any pitcher ever amassed. Won 5 and lost 19. First and last of five wins were no-hitters." ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:16:23 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: OBC-style Hughie Jennings M101-5 on eBay My Jennings collection is on hold for now--someone in FOOT should grab this http://www.ebay.com/itm/181062119374?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649 ================= To: Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:32:29 +0000 From: Subject: Foot Traffic in Bethesda Hello All, We happen to work out a meet, after 15 emails, with Mac,Andy and Bob D visiting from Boston. Cards were fl ying and was lucky enough to score some 61 fleers,35 Goudey, Get Smart , 52 presidents and Bowman upgrade and a 65 opcLeague Anthony Arbeeny General Manager HYATT REGENCY BETHESDA near Washington DC One Bethesda Metro Center, Bethesda, MD 20814, USA T: + 1 301.657.6441 F: +1 301.657.6440 E: Anthony.Arbeeny@hyatt.com [Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:346163C9-96DE-406F-B40D-38B826305426] The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:33:24 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Nonsport Charlie's Angels cards Does anyone collect them? Send me your want list. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:36:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tjv815" Subject: Batman added Although the Batman cards were not for sale in the late 70's when I began collecting, Batman was a superhero that I quickly took to. I'm not sure in what year, but I know I was watching reruns of the tv show, probably on Superstation WTBS. The Batmobile was so cool, and that utlity belt? It didn't get much better. More than a year ago, I came across a couple of the Batman cards from the 60's while looking through one of Uncle Dick's bargain bins.I picked those few up, brought them home, and shared them with my kids. Myoldest son, Anton, has adopted Batman as his favorite superhero, and he really enjoyed looking at the cards and listening to me read the back. And, if Anton is interested in something, the twins are interested as well. So, when I got to another big show, I found a few more in Uncle Dick's bargain bin. Naturally, I picked them up too. Ah, the collection grows! But I still did not post the set. The turning point came when the Guru himself made some extra Batman cards available on the waiver wire. After filling some wantlists for OBCers that were working on the sets, Guru sent over about a dozenmy way. So here it is, my Batman wantlist: Any condition is accepted. 1966 Topps Black Bat: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 21 2223 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 4748 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 1966 Topps Red Bat:1 3 4 5 7 8 9 10 11 12 16 17 18 19 21 22 23 24 26 28 29 30 31 32 34 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 44 1966 Topps Blue Bat: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 ================= To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 07:00:39 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-style Hughie Jennings M101-5 on eBay I took on the challenge and entered a bid. My max $23.29 if anyone wants to go higher. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 16, 2013 9:55 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC-style Hughie Jennings M101-5 on eBay My Jennings collection is on hold for now--someone in FOOT should grab thisHOFer! http://www.ebay.com/itm/181062119374?ssPageNameSTRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksidp3984.m1423.l2649 ================= To: Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 11:09:22 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: RIP EARL Baltimore Orioles Homepage ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 08:50:21 -0800 (PST) To: Ed Schott , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Ed,et al. Whew, I saw the Subject line and for a minuteI thoughtthat Iwoke up dead this mourning. Sorry Ed, but if it was him or meI'd just as soon it be theBalmer Skipper! Sad day for baseball, Weaver was one of the real "characters" of the game. Shrewd, humorous and very feisty. He will be missed by many, Orioles fansin particular, notso much by a number of umps! His namesake, Earl Kilbourn"we keep what we give away!" From: Ed Schott To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 19, 2013 11:09:58 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Baltimore Orioles Homepage ================= To: "'EEK'" , Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 12:12:36 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Had the same thought! Glad its not you. RIP Mr Weaver. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2013 11:50 AM To: Ed Schott; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Ed,et al. Whew, I saw the Subject line and for a minute I thought that I woke up deadthis mourning. Sorry Ed, but if it was him or me I'd just as soon it be the Balmer Skipper! Sad day for baseball, Weaver was one of the real "characters" of the game. Shrewd, humorous and very feisty. He will be missed by many, Orioles fans in particular, not so much by a number of umps! His namesake, Earl Kilbourn "we keep what we give away!" From: Ed Schott To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 19, 2013 11:09:58 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Baltimore Orioles Homepage ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 09:23:33 -0800 To: EEK From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Imagine the feeling that almost came over me had I not already known about Weaver's Subject line: RIP EARL From: EEK Instant reaction: wtf - EEK died? I'm glad our Earl is ok. I was sorry to hear about Mr. Weaver. I think I'llhave a cold one sometime today in honor of, "pitching, defense and the three-run On Jan 19, 2013, at 8:50 AM, EEK wrote: > Ed,et al. > Whew, I saw the Subject line and for a minute I thought that I woke up dead this mourning. Sorry Ed, but if it was him or me I'd just as soon it be the Balmer Skipper! Sad day for baseball, Weaver was one of the real "characters" of the game. Shrewd, humorous and very feisty. He will be missed by many, Orioles fans in particular, not so much by a number of umps! > His namesake, Earl Kilbourn > "we keep what we give away!" > From: Ed Schott > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sat, January 19, 2013 11:09:58 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL > Baltimore Orioles Homepage ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 10:05:00 -0800 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mike diamanti Subject: Windstorm Weaver Well Cardboard Lovers: Earl Weaver just passed at age 82, from an apparent heart attack while on an Orioles "Fantasy" cruise. Here are some bits from his obit: =93Weaver was the Copernicus of baseball,=94 Tom Verducci wrote in Sports Illustrated in 2009. =93Just as Copernicus understood heliocentric cosmology a full century before the invention of the telescope, Weaver understood smart baseball a generation before it was empirically With a sandpaper voice, a taste for beer (he was twice charged with drunken driving) and a tense, competitive manner, Weaver was a crusty personality, though he had a sharp wit and a well-developed sense of mischief. Do any of you have Weaver stories to share? Coffee-ed Up in Coupeville, Diamanti ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:25:06 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: 2012 goals and 2013 goals So, finally had a chance to check 2012 collecting goals and I completed onelast week...knock an entire page off my Phillies list. With the addition of two wonderfully inexpensive 1939 Playball high numbers and several additions from OBC this year, I managed to knock my list down. On Microsoft Office Word, an 11 point font lands me at 21 pages. I think I can knock off another page in 2013. Good start already with me picking up some Philadelphia Bulletins from 1964 and a few JD McCarthy postcards this week. Can't wait for them to arrive. Thanks to all who sent me Phillies stuff last year! It was a great collecting year as usual. ================= To: "'Ed Schott'" , Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 15:07:34 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Betcha the Duke of Earl is looking for a tiff with Jocko Conlon right From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ed Schott Sent: January-19-13 8:09 AM To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] RIP EARL Baltimore Orioles Homepage No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2890 / Virus Database: 2639/6039 - Release Date: 01/17/13 ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 20:02:40 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Jimmy Parker Subject: RIP Stan The Man Stan Musial passed away. What a great and undervalued player and person. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 17:58:37 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Stan the Man Fellas -- I lived in St Louis for a time back in the early 90's as my first assignment after graduating from Pilot Training with the Air Force. While I was busy flying out of Scott AFB on the Illinois side of the Mississippi, my wife worked for a charity organization in downtown St Louis. She went to a lunch one day and said "some old baseball player" gave a very nice speech during the lunch. Afterwards, she talked to him for a few minutes and wassurprised at what a nice person the guy was, just wondering what she did and not really elaborating on himself. She told me she got his autograph,since she told him that her husband was a baseball freak. I figured shemet Bake McBride or somebody like that, but imagine my surprise when I gothome that night and she handed me a Stan Musial autographed photo! He turned out pretty well for "some old baseball player." Take Care, ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 19:06:14 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Another Sad Day for Baseball - Stan the Man For Brock and all the Cardinals fans and anyone who really loves baseball, true condolences http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/mlb/news/20130119/obit-stan-musial.ap/?xid=si_topstories ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:21:37 -0500 (EST) From: Kent Subject: Spring Training in Arizona Anybody out there in OBC land wishing to meet up let me know when you will be there. My sister and I plan on attending some games in AZ as well as visit with the brother-in-law in Tombstone. So, tentatively trying hook up with some friends as well in AZ. ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 05:01:49 +0000 (UTC) To: obc-ramblings , Kent From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spring Training in Arizona kent it looks like my trip will be from 12th to 17th March.
It's not 100% confirmed yet, but should be darn close.
I will likely have more free time towards the latter of those days.
I will be staying in Scottsdale, pretty sure.
If that matches your times, lets make it happen!!
OBC Forever

Brian

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================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:09:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "chuck.salek" Subject: Fred Talbot Fred passed a way a few days ago at 71. Following the decline of the Yankees in 1965, he was acquired from Kansas City in mid-season 1966 in a 5 player trade which sent Roger Repoz and Bill Stafford to the A's. He was among a group of HOM'ers touted by braodcaster Phil Rizzuto to lead the Yankees back to the promised land, but it was not to be. Otherwise, he was the player to be named later in the 1965 3 team, 8 playertrade which sent Rocky Colavito from the A's back to the Indians. Also played most of 1969 with the Seattle Pilots. ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:19:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "chuck.salek" Subject: Re: Advice Needed: Card Show Thanks to all who provided feedback to my questions. It was very helpful. I was unable to attend the card show in Long Island last weekend, but did attend a larger and closer one in White Plains yesterday. I am sure this is very familiar to most of you, but I must say I was overwhelmed by the large number of sellers, buyers, cards, memorabilia, etc. It seemed to me a lot of money changed hands. The "bargain cards" among the pre-1966 vintage were going for $1 to $2 each, and most were in very good condition, but I did not see any really great deals. Some buyers pulled up a chair and methodically went through every card, one at a time, which I found rather amazing given the chaos surroundingthem. Admission was $7 and parking $5. I made only a few purchases but all in allit was a good experience for me. BR, --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, mikesportsfan@... wrote: > Chuck, > I do not know if any OBCers are going or if this particular show is worthwhile. I am staggered by your comment that you cannot ever remember going to a card show. I cannot recall my first card show, but am pretty sure it was around 1975! I will repeat some of my advice for rookie National attendees, which could translate to your first card show. Absolutely do NOT purchase anythign until you have spent some time at the show. For a smaller show, I would estimate at least an hour for a first timer. This will allow you to determine what is and what is not a good, better or best deal. It isunlikely that any deal you may pass on wil be gone by the time you get come back to it, but that is always a possibility. Some dealers will offer boxes of cards and/or quantity discounts. Many dealers know what OCB is, so if you do not have an OBC hat or shirt, ask EACH dealer if they have any OBC material. If they do not know what OBC is, you may not be at the most appropriate table, but you can also tell them about the group and ask them tosteer otehr like minded individuals to our website. If you want to have some fun, print off the "Guru Grading Guide" from the website and show it tosome dealers. Some will be appalled and others may pull stuff out to showyou. Those are teh dealers you may wish to deal with. Keep your eyes andears open for the Philadephia fka Ft. Washington show, here OBCers will berpesent and cvan help guide you. It will dwarf Hofstra. Deals can be hadat large and small shows if you look hard enough. > Best of luck and enjoy. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: chuck.salek > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:32 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice Needed: Card Show > There is a card show tomorrow at 10AM at Hofstra University in Long Island. Here's the link: > http://www.nyshows.org/long-island-show/ > Is anyone going? Is it worth going to? > I can't remember ever going to a card show. How do you recognize a good deal when you see one, and do dealers offer large quantities of vintage common cards at bargain prices (trying to boost my dupes box)? > Any feedback will be much appreciated BR, > "Neophyte" Chuck ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:34:12 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Fitts Subject: Re: Spring Training in Arizona The nine baseball conference will be held in tempe Arizona during that week as well. So I'll be in town ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 12:17:44 -0800 To: "" From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spring Training in Arizona I will probably going in march sometime so everyone keep me posted. I thinkmy wife was talking the 18 th on. Sent from my iPad On Jan 19, 2013, at 9:01 PM, wrote: > kent it looks like my trip will be from 12th to 17th March. > It's not 100% confirmed yet, but should be darn close. > I will likely have more free time towards the latter of those days. > I will be staying in Scottsdale, pretty sure. > If that matches your times, lets make it happen!! > OBC Forever > Brian > Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App on my iPAD > ----- Original Message ----- > From: kwg0@aol.com > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent:Sun Jan 20 04:21:42 UTC 2013 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Spring Training in Arizona > Anybody out there in OBC land wishing to meet up let me know when you will be there. My sister and I plan on attending some games in AZ as well as visit with the brother-in-law in Tombstone. So, tentatively trying hook up with some friends as well in AZ. > Kent > kwg0@aol.com ================= To: , Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 17:25:52 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Advice Needed: Card Show Hi Chuck, i was there all day yesterday with my white OBC hat, didn't see any other OBCers I found a $20 world of wjheels high # for $0.40 and a 1956 team card variation in X shape that books $115 NM for $5, among a bunch of $2 1949 Bowmans and a ton of "6 or 8 for $1" for my 3rd sets. Nice to see a few of these junk boxes show up as it is tough for dealers to afford to bring them to expensive Hint: park for free 2 blocks down the street. You will get used to sorting through a ton of distractions, most of what goes on is irrelevant to most OBCers anyway. Meet up with another OBCer if you can at a show and get some tips. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: bskp1@aol.com Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 18:19:32 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Advice Needed: Card Show Thanks to all who provided feedback to my questions. It was very helpful. I was unable to attend the card show in Long Island last weekend, but did attend a larger and closer one in White Plains yesterday. I am sure this is very familiar to most of you, but I must say I was overwhelmed by the large number of sellers, buyers, cards, memorabilia, etc. It seemed to me a lot of money changed hands. The "bargain cards" among the pre-1966 vintage were going for $1 to $2 each, and most were in very good condition, but I did not see any really great deals. Some buyers pulled up a chair and methodically went through every card, one at a time, which I found rather amazing given the chaos surroundingthem. Admission was $7 and parking $5. I made only a few purchases but all in allit was a good experience for me. BR, --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, mikesportsfan@... wrote: > Chuck, > I do not know if any OBCers are going or if this particular show is worthwhile. I am staggered by your comment that you cannot ever remember going to a card show. I cannot recall my first card show, but am pretty sure it was around 1975! I will repeat some of my advice for rookie National attendees, which could translate to your first card show. Absolutely do NOT purchase anythign until you have spent some time at the show. For a smaller show, I would estimate at least an hour for a first timer. This will allow you todetermine what is and what is not a good, better or best deal. It is unlikely that any deal you may pass on wil be gone by the time you get come backto it, but that is always a possibility. Some dealers will offer boxes of cards and/or quantity discounts. Many dealers know what OCB is, so if you do not have an OBC hat or shirt, ask EACH dealer if they have any OBC material. If they do not know what OBC is, you may not be at the most appropriatetable, but you can also tell them about the group and ask them to steer otehr like minded individuals to our website. If you want to have some fun, print off the "Guru Grading Guide" from the website and show it to some dealers. Some will be appalled and others may pull stuff out to show you. Thoseare teh dealers you may wish to deal with. Keep your eyes and ears open for the Philadephia fka Ft. Washington show, here OBCers will be rpesent and cvan help guide you. It will dwarf Hofstra. Deals can be had at large and small shows if you look hard enough. > Best of luck and enjoy. > Mike Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: chuck.salek > To: OBC-Ramblings > Sent: Sat, Jan 12, 2013 12:32 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Advice Needed: Card Show > There is a card show tomorrow at 10AM at Hofstra University in Long Island. Here's the link: > http://www.nyshows.org/long-island-show/ > Is anyone going? Is it worth going to? > I can't remember ever going to a card show. How do you recognize a good deal when you see one, and do dealers offer large quantities of vintage common cards at bargain prices (trying to boost my dupes box)? > Any feedback will be much appreciated BR, > "Neophyte" Chuck ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 14:55:36 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: 53 bowman Sherman lollar There might be a lot of people need this card but I remember awhile back while surfing want lists someone who only needed a few cards needed this. Picked up a few low grades dupes in a eBay buy. Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 15:14:35 -0800 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: rick.lyons22@yahoo.com Subject: Few sets I would like to finish Most of these will be hard sets but would trade in your favor. 1951 topps red backs # 36A-39 1962 topps Bucks need # 48 larker-53 mantilla-87 taylor-92 white 1963 Bazooka All Time Greats Gold----need------# 6-17 1970 Fleer (circle) need # 54 1971 Fleer (square) # 16,68 1963 Fleer--need 5-40-42-43-46-56-60-checklist 1967/68 OPC Posters # 4 clemente-31 killebrew-32 morgan 1978 topps need # 60-100-165-200-240-315-320-334-365-400-416-450-480-500-504 1979 topps need # 1 90 170 200 308 400 460 480 500 1977-78 topps white backs I need # 15-69-79-88 1978-79 topps I need # 1-80-110-130 1979-80 topps need # 1 Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 19:14:32 -0700 To: OBC Ramblings From: James Silva Subject: Family stuff Dear Clan OBC, In the last year and a half I have lost my father and just before Thanksgiving my brother died suddenly. I have been researching my family history fora few years but now that I have lost all of my immediate family I have stepped up the intensity of my research. I am planning on trips this summer totry to answer some questions that I can't answer remotely. So here is my question. Is there anyone in the Binghamton, Long Island, and or Sullivan county areas of New York who might be able to be sources for my questions? If you knowthese areas or live in these spots and would be cool with answering questions for me, I would greatly appreciate it. Please drop me a note if you would be ok doing this. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 04:04:33 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Jeff Newman" Subject: Local Police Logs Hi guys, We were going through our local police reports and saw this: http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-s-Mantle-baseball-card-4206031.php Has anybody ever heard of something like this before happen around them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder which year. Also, do any of you ever search for cards at pawn shops? Jeff Newman ================= To: jnewman@wmproperties.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:00:36 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs I have found a few cards at pawn shops over the years...I cannot imagine the Mantle was too old as 6th degree larceny is for an item worth less than $250. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Newman To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Jan 20, 2013 8:04 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs Hi guys, We were going through our local police reports and saw this: http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-s-Mantle-baseball-card-4206031.php Has anybody ever heard of something like this before happen around them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder which year. Also, any of you ever search for cards at pawn shops? Jeff Newman OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:20:03 -0800 To: Jeff Newman From: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs I've never seen or heard of baseball cards in a pawn shop. A good friend of mine who has worked in a pawn shop for years says they will not accept them as they don't have any experience in determining their value. This is the same answer I get from local antique shops as to why they do not have any vintage baseball cards (those that do have them severely overpriced). I did find a bunch of vintage baseballs in a Lacey WA pawn shop a few years ago. There were several autographed balls from the Seattle Rainiers, including two(!) from the 1955 championship team with Fred Hutchinson on the sweet spot. The guy running the shop came over and opined that they were "some kind of minor league balls". I allowed as that was correct. He had a $40 price tag on the whole lot, which also included several vintage unsigned balls as well. I nearly sprained my wrist hustling my wallet out of my back pocket! He said they had been in a Tacoma pawn shop for 8 months without anyone showing any interest in them. He was glad to get rid of them -- I was happy to oblige. -Dave Fallen On 1/20/2013 8:04 PM, Jeff Newman wrote: > Hi guys, > We were going through our local police reports and saw this: > http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-s-Mantle-baseball-card-4206031.php > Has anybody ever heard of something like this before happen around > them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder > which year. Also, do any of you ever search for cards at pawn shops? > Jeff Newman ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:23:01 -0800 To: Kent From: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spring Training in Arizona My wife and I hope to make it again this year. We go with a tour group and the details have not been published, but I would guess the first or second week of March. I'll save these emails and try to figure out who might be there when we go. -Dave Fallen On 1/19/2013 8:21 PM, Kent wrote: > Anybody out there in OBC land wishing to meet up let me know when you > will be there. My sister and I plan on attending some games in AZ as > well as visit with the brother-in-law in Tombstone. So, tentatively > trying hook up with some friends as well in AZ. > Kent > kwg0@aol.com ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:24:39 -0500 (EST) To: jnewman@wmproperties.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs Content-Language: en When I lived in Colorado I'd check pawn shops but most of the times they would have a shelf on top piled high to the ceiling and you would have to check through them to see what you needed, I did find one who had about 15 52's in a violin case but i already had thise. In a message dated 1/20/2013 10:04:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, jnewman@wmproperties.com writes: Hi guys, We were going through our local police reports and saw this: _http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother (http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-s-Mantle-baseball-card-4206031.php) Has anybody ever heard of something like this before happen around them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder which year. Also, do any of you ever search for cards at pawn shops? Jeff Newman ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 13:29:15 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Spring Training in Arizona ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 05:36:22 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs I'm not sure if Howard is paying attention, but he picked up an entire T206set in a pawn shop years ago. That would be an incredible find!! Take Care, From: David Fallen To: Jeff Newman Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs I've never seen or heard of baseball cards in a pawn shop. A good friend of mine who has worked in a pawn shop for years says they will not accept them as they don't have any experience in determining their value.This is the same answer I get from local antique shops as to why they do not have any vintage baseball cards (those that do have them severely overpriced). I did find a bunch of vintage baseballs in a Lacey WA pawn shop a few years ago. There were several autographed balls from the Seattle Rainiers, including two(!) from the 1955 championship team with Fred Hutchinson on the sweet spot. The guy running the shop came over and opined that they were "some kind of minor league balls". I allowed as that was correct. He had a $40 pricetag the whole lot, which also included several vintage unsigned balls as well. I nearly sprained my wrist hustling my wallet out of my back pocket! He said they had been in a Tacoma pawn shop for 8 months without anyone showing any interest in them. He was glad to get rid of them -- I was happy to oblige. -Dave Fallen On 1/20/2013 8:04 PM, Jeff Newman wrote: >Hi guys, >We were going through our local police reports and saw >http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-s-Mantle-baseball-card-4206031.php >Has anybody ever heard of something like this before happen around them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder which year. Also, do any of you ever search for cards at pawn shops? >Jeff Newman ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 05:56:26 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs Including the Wagner?? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Geno Wagner To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:36 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs I'm not sure if Howard is paying attention, but he picked up an entire T206set in a pawn shop years ago. That would be an incredible find!! Take Care, From: David Fallen To: Jeff Newman Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs I've never seen or heard of baseball cards in a pawn shop. A good friend of mine who has worked in a pawn shop for years says they will not accept them as they don't have any experience in determining their value.This is the same answer I get from local antique shops as to why they do not have any vintage baseball cards (those that do have them severely overpriced).I did find a bunch of vintage baseballs in a Lacey WA pawn shop a fewyears ago. There were several autographed balls from the Seattle Rainiers, including two(!) from the 1955 championship team with Fred Hutchinson on the sweet spot. The guy running the shop came over and opined that they were "some kind of minor league balls". I allowed as that wascorrect. He had a $40 price tag on the whole lot, which also included several vintage unsigned balls as well. I nearly sprained my wrist hustling my wallet out of my back pocket! He said they had been in a Tacoma pawn shop for 8 months without anyone showing any interest in them. He was glad to get rid of them -- I was happy to oblige. -Dave FallenOn 1/20/2013 8:04 PM, Jeff Newman wrote: >Hi guys,We were going through our local police reports and saw this:http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-s-Man= tle-baseball-card-4206031.phpHas anybody ever heard of something like this before happen around them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder which year. Also, do any of you ever search for cards at pawn shops?Jeff Newman ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 14:33:55 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:33:03 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 18:12:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "joedenning71" Subject: Mini FOOT reunion My wife LaShelle and I were in Michigan last week on Army business. While there, I had the opportunity for a mini FOOT reunion with Mike Rich and Mark Talbot. We ate at Gator Jake's and the Perch was pretty tasty as we alsotalked about cards, the Army, and watched the Michigan St/Penn St BK game.Mark and Mike combined for quite a few hits to some of my vintage sets, which are on the Thanks page, and we had a great time. Thanks again for having me up guys, and it was great. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:53:56 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: Local Police Logs Here's the details: Back in 1999, we found out we were moving from Dover, DE to Dayton, OH. We were going from a one-acre yard to a tiny townhouse set-up for the one year that I was there for my Master's Degree. From there it was on to the Mojave Desert...so I knew I didn't really need my beloved riding lawn mower anymore. I used to love mowing my lawn on it, so it was goingto be painful to sell, only to have my wife buy some new drapes or something with the cash. At the time, I was only a few cards away from completing my T205 set - Cobb, Speaker, and a few commons. Ebay was just taking off, and Cobbs were going for about $600 in vg-ex shape. It just so happened that I was drinking beer with one of my neighbors, who was dying to get a riding lawn mower. The light bulb flashed above my head - how else was I ever going to sneak $600 by my wife?!? So I presented my case, and she let me sell the lawn mower to the neighbor, which then went into my bid to obtain a nice Ty Cobb! Of course, I still had to pay for new drapes later, but I had my Cobb... Take Care, From: cardclctor To: rlabs1@yahoo.com; illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 12:07 PM Subject: RE:RE:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs You'll have to ask Geno for the full story on that one. I think it was one of the last cards he needed for the set and he either sold the tractor or traded it outright. It was probably ten or fifteen years ago when I was new to the group myself. Sorry for the partial memory loss. Ken M Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone. From : Richard Labs >Subject : RE:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs >Ken - I am sort of new - what is the lawn tractor story >--- OnMon, 1/21/13, cardclctor wrote: >>From: cardclctor >>Subject: RE:Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs >>To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>Date: Monday, January 21, 2013, 9:52 AM >>From my recollection, Howard got the set (minus Plank, Wagner and Magie) from a bail bondsman. I still think trading a lawn tractor for a T205 Cobb beats that story though. >>Ken M >>Sent from my Verizon Wireless 4GLTE smartphone. >>From : Glenn Codere >>>Subject : Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs >>>Including the Wagner?? >>>Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music >>>Glenn's Sports Collection WantList >>>From: Geno Wagner >>>To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" >>>Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 1:36 PM >>>Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs >>>I'm not sure if Howard is paying attention, but he picked up an entire T206 set in a pawn shop years ago. That would be an incredible find!! >>>Take Care, >>>From: David Fallen >>>To: Jeff Newman >>>Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2013 11:20 PM >>>Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Local Police Logs >>>I've never seen or heard of baseball cards in a pawn shop A good friend of mine who has worked in a pawn shop for years says they will not accept them as they don't have any experience in determining their value. This is the same answer I get from local antique shops as to why they donot have any vintage baseball cards (those that do have them severely overpriced). I did find a bunch of vintage baseballs in a Lacey WA pawn shop a few years ago. There were several autographed balls from the Seattle Rainiers, including two(!) from the 1955 championship team with Fred Hutchinson on the sweet spot. The guy running the shop came over and opinedthat they were "some kind of minor league balls". I allowed as that was correct. He had a $40 price tag on the whole lot, which also included several vintage unsigned balls as well. I nearly sprained my wrist hustling my wallet out of my back pocket! He said they had been ina Tacoma pawn shop for 8 months without anyone showing any interest in them. He was glad to get rid of them -- I was happy to oblige. -Dave Fallen On 1/20/2013 8:04 PM, Jeff Newman wrote: >>>>Hi guys, We were going through our local police reports and saw this: http://www.fairfieldcitizenonline.com/news/article/Cops-Woman-pawned-mother-= s-Mantle-baseball-card-4206031.php Has anybody ever heard of something likethis before happen around them? I am not surprised that the card stolen was of Mantle. I wonder which year. Also, do any of you ever search for cardsat pawn shops? Jeff Newman ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:54:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: OBC Monday I've been meaning to puts some cards up for a while but I always get sidetracked. So, I decided to put OBC on my computer calendar for every Monday night. I'm going to call these OBC Mondays and I wiil try to post some cards each Monday. If you want some, please email me directly and send along your mailing address so that I don't have to look it up 1951 B 177 1957 T 47 86 161 242 260 360 406 1961-62 Fleer Baseball Greats 2 10 15 17 18 20 22 24 40 41 43 44 49 53 56 67 71 80 81 82 83 88 ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 21:55:28 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: my update 1980 Topps want list Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Any help would be greatly appreciated 1 Brock/Yastrzemski HL, 22 Pat Putnam 23 Derrel Thomas 25 Lee Mazzilli 30 Vida Blue 33 Tony Scott 37 Kiko Garcia 43 Bombo Rivera 45 Frank White 48 Rick Miller 53 Ben Oglivie 55 Bill Madlock 60 Bucky Dent 80 Ron LeFlore 85 TedSimmons 87 Pepe Frias 88 Ken Landreaux 95 Cecil Cooper 106 Jeff Leonard RC108 Bob Horner 110 Fred Lynn DP 116 Larry Cox 125 Tony Perez 129 Craig Reynolds 130 Amos Otis 135 Bill Buckner 137 John Castino RC 145 Darrell Evans 147 Terry Puhl 150 Jason Thompson 165 Omar Moreno 167 Jack Clark 171 Fernando Gonzalez 182 Ken Reitz 185 Hal McRae 196 Lance Parrish 215 Sixto Lezcano 220 Dave Concepcion 224 Willie Montanez 225 Lou Piniella 230 Dave Winfield 238 Rob Wilfong 240 Dave Kingman 242 Lamar Johnson 245 Phil Niekro 260 Al Oliver 265 Robin Yount 278 Jim Spencer 285 Don Baylor 290 Steve Garvey 315 Steve Kemp 321 Keith Hernandez 322 Claudell Washington 330 Al Cowens 331 Rich Hebner 337Carney Lansford 340 Ken Singleton 355 Gary Matthews 383 Ed Ott 385Enos Cabell 396 Dan Meyer 400 George Foster 405 Dwight Evans 406 Paul Molitor 408 Bill North 438 Dave Revering 450 George Brett 456Frank Taveras 461 Dwayne Murphy 463 Jerry Royster 485 Mickey Rivers 488 Roy Howell 500 Tom Seaver 501 Rennie Stennett 505 Bert Campaneris 507 Leon Roberts 510 Ron Cey 518 Nelson Norman RC 532 Willie Horton 545 Jeff Burroughs 550 Ken Griffey 553 Dick Davis 554 Art Howe558 Alfredo Griffin 560 Dave Lopes 564 Rick Manning 568 Gary Roenicke 570 Roy Smalley 574 Scot Thompson 579 Charlie Moore 587Garry Templeton 589 Chet Lemon 591 Rick Cerone 602 Brian Downing 612 Cliff Johnson 615 Doug DeCinces 616 Gene Richards 620 Richie Zisk 621 Bob Grich 635 John Candelaria 637 Joe Simpson 645 Rick Burleson 650 Joe Morgan 691 Ivan DeJesus 695 Reggie Smith 701 Ken Oberkfell RC 704 Gene Tenace 705 Freddie Patek 710 Graig Nettles 712 Rodney Scott 715 Sal Bando 720 Carl Yastrzemski DP 722 Jose Cruz ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:16:39 -0500 (EST) To: robfitts@optimum.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my update 1980 Topps want list Content-Language: en Hey Rob I have a whopping 7 of these for you. I will mail tomorrow 55 87 116 150 165 340 383 Randy Welk In a message dated 1/21/2013 6:55:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robfitts@optimum.net writes: Any help would be greatly appreciated 1 Brock/Yastrzemski HL, 22 Pat Putnam 23 Derrel Thomas 25 Lee Mazzilli 30 Vida Blue 33 Tony Scott 37 Kiko Garcia 43 Bombo Rivera 45 Frank White 48 Rick Miller 53 Ben Oglivie 55 Bill Madlock 60 Bucky Dent 80 Ron LeFlore 85 Ted Simmons 87 Pepe Frias 88 Ken Landreaux 95 Cecil Cooper 106 Jeff Leonard RC 108 Bob Horner 110 Fred Lynn DP 116 Larry Cox 125 Tony Perez 129 Craig Reynolds 130 Amos Otis 135 Bill Buckner 137 John Castino RC 145 Darrell Evans 147 Terry Puhl 150 Jason Thompson 165 Omar Moreno 167 Jack Clark 171 Fernando Gonzalez 182 Ken Reitz 185 Hal McRae 196 Lance Parrish 215 Sixto Lezcano 220 Dave Concepcion 224 Willie Montanez 225 Lou Piniella 230 Dave Winfield 238 Rob Wilfong 240 Dave Kingman 242 Lamar Johnson 245 Phil Niekro 260 Al Oliver 265 Robin Yount 278 Jim Spencer 285 Don Baylor 290 Steve Garvey 315 Steve Kemp 321 Keith Hernandez 322 Claudell Washington 330 Al Cowens 331 Rich Hebner 337 Carney Lansford 340 Ken Singleton 355 Gary Matthews 383 Ed Ott 385 Enos Cabell 396 Dan Meyer 400 George Foster 405 Dwight Evans 406 Paul Molitor 408 Bill North 438 Dave Revering 450 George Brett 456 Frank Taveras 461 Dwayne Murphy 463 Jerry Royster 485 Mickey Rivers 488 Roy Howell 500 Tom Seaver 501 Rennie Stennett 505 Bert Campaneris 507 Leon Roberts 510 Ron Cey 518 Nelson Norman RC 532 Willie Horton 545 Jeff Burroughs 550 Ken Griffey 553 Dick Davis 554 Art Howe 558 Alfredo Griffin 560 Dave Lopes 564 Rick Manning 568 Gary Roenicke 570 Roy Smalley 574 Scot Thompson 579 Charlie Moore 587 Garry Templeton 589 Chet Lemon 591 Rick Cerone 602 Brian Downing 612 Cliff Johnson 615 Doug DeCinces 616 Gene Richards 620 Richie Zisk 621 Bob Grich 635 John Candelaria 637 Joe Simpson 645 Rick Burleson 650 Joe Morgan 691 Ivan DeJesus 695 Reggie Smith 701 Ken Oberkfell RC 704 Gene Tenace 705 Freddie Patek 710 Graig Nettles 712 Rodney Scott 715 Sal Bando 720 Carl Yastrzemski DP 722 Jose ================= To: , Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:52:46 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my update 1980 Topps want list no hits. I have exactly 24 1980's in my dupes box, and 3 of them are #717 Mickey Klutts. His HOF-to-be career was tragicly cut short by lack of talent :) He did hit for the cycle for his career. And he had a great year in '76 at Syracuse 137-24-80-.319 Probably the same old big league duce got him :) Any takers? ----- Original Message ----- From: rjsfgmv@aol.com To: robfitts@optimum.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2013 10:16 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my update 1980 Topps want list Hey Rob I have a whopping 7 of these for you. I will mail tomorrow 55 87 116 150 165 340 383 Randy Welk In a message dated 1/21/2013 6:55:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, robfitts@optimum.net Any help would be greatly appreciated 1 Brock/Yastrzemski HL, 22 Pat Putnam 23 Derrel Thomas 25 Lee Mazzilli 30 Vida Blue 33 Tony Scott 37 Kiko Garcia 43 Bombo Rivera 45 Frank White 48Rick Miller 53 Ben Oglivie 55 Bill Madlock 60 Bucky Dent 80 Ron LeFlore 85Ted Simmons 87 Pepe Frias 88 Ken Landreaux 95 Cecil Cooper 106 Jeff Leonard RC 108 Bob Horner 110 Fred Lynn DP 116 Larry Cox 125 Tony Perez 129 CraigReynolds 130 Amos Otis 135 Bill Buckner 137 John Castino RC 145 Darrell Evans 147 Terry Puhl 150 Jason Thompson 165 Omar Moreno 167 Jack Clark 171 Fernando Gonzalez 182 Ken Reitz 185 Hal McRae 196 Lance Parrish 215 Sixto Lezcano 220 Dave Concepcion 224 Willie Montanez 225 Lou Piniella 230 Dave Winfield 238 Rob Wilfong 240 Dave Kingman 242Lamar Johnson 245 Phil Niekro 260 Al Oliver 265 Robin Yount 278 Jim Spencer 285 Don Baylor 290 Steve Garvey 315 Steve Kemp 321 KeithHernandez 322 Claudell Washington 330 Al Cowens 331 Rich Hebner 337 Carney Lansford 340 Ken Singleton 355 Gary Matthews 383 Ed Ott 385 Enos Cabell 396 Dan Meyer 400 George Foster 405 Dwight Evans 406 Paul Molitor 408 Bill North 438 Dave Revering 450 George Brett 456 Frank Taveras 461 Dwayne Murphy 463 Jerry Royster 485 MickeyRivers 488 Roy Howell 500 Tom Seaver 501 Rennie Stennett 505 Bert Campaneris 507 Leon Roberts 510 Ron Cey 518 Nelson Norman RC 532 WillieHorton 545 Jeff Burroughs 550 Ken Griffey 553 Dick Davis 554 Art Howe 558 Alfredo Griffin 560 Dave Lopes 564 Rick Manning 568 Gary Roenicke 570 Roy Smalley 574 Scot Thompson 579 Charlie Moore 587 Garry Templeton 589 Chet Lemon 591 Rick Cerone 602 Brian Downing612 Cliff Johnson 615 Doug DeCinces 616 Gene Richards 620 Richie Zisk 621 Bob Grich 635 John Candelaria 637 Joe Simpson 645 Rick Burleson 650 Joe Morgan 691 Ivan DeJesus 695 Reggie Smith 701 Ken Oberkfell RC 704 Gene Tenace 705 Freddie Patek 710 Graig Nettles 712Rodney Scott 715 Sal Bando 720 Carl Yastrzemski DP 722 Jose Cruz ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2013 22:36:53 -0800 To: Jake Elwell From: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my update 1980 Topps want list I don't know about whopping, but I can/will furnish the following: 53, 553, 564, 704, 712 -Dave Fallen On 1/21/2013 9:40 PM, Jake Elwell wrote: > I can contribute a whopping 5 myself: 33 88 167 438 637 > Off in tomorrow's mail. > --Jake Elwell > -----Original Message----- > From: rjsfgmv@aol.com > Sent: Jan 21, 2013 10:16 PM > To: robfitts@optimum.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my update 1980 Topps want list > Hey Rob > I have a whopping 7 of these for you. I will mail tomorrow > 55 87 116 150 165 340 383 > Randy Welk > In a message dated 1/21/2013 6:55:37 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > robfitts@optimum.net writes: > Any help would be greatly appreciated > rob > 1 Brock/Yastrzemski HL, 22 Pat Putnam 23 Derrel Thomas 25 Lee > Mazzilli 30 Vida Blue 33 Tony Scott 37 Kiko Garcia 43 Bombo > Rivera 45 Frank White 48 Rick Miller 53 Ben Oglivie 55 Bill > Madlock 60 Bucky Dent 80 Ron LeFlore 85 Ted Simmons 87 Pepe > Frias 88 Ken Landreaux 95 Cecil Cooper 106 Jeff Leonard RC108 > Bob Horner 110 Fred Lynn DP116 Larry Cox 125 Tony Perez 129 > Craig Reynolds 130 Amos Otis 135 Bill Buckner 137 John > Castino RC145 Darrell Evans 147 Terry Puhl 150 Jason Thompson > 165 Omar Moreno 167 Jack Clark 171 Fernando Gonzalez 182 Ken > Reitz 185 Hal McRae 196 Lance Parrish 215 Sixto Lezcano220 > Dave Concepcion 224 Willie Montanez 225 Lou Piniella 230 Dave > Winfield 238 Rob Wilfong 240 Dave Kingman 242 Lamar Johnson > 245 Phil Niekro 260 Al Oliver 265 Robin Yount 278 Jim Spencer > 285 Don Baylor 290 Steve Garvey 315 Steve Kemp 321 Keith > Hernandez 322 Claudell Washington 330 Al Cowens 331 Rich > Hebner 337 Carney Lansford 340 Ken Singleton355 Gary Matthews > 383 Ed Ott 385 Enos Cabell 396 Dan Meyer 400 George Foster 405 > Dwight Evans 406 Paul Molitor 408 Bill North 438 Dave Revering > 450 George Brett 456 Frank Taveras 461 Dwayne Murphy 463 Jerry > Royster 485 Mickey Rivers 488 Roy Howell 500 Tom Seaver 501 > Rennie Stennett 505 Bert Campaneris 507 Leon Roberts510 Ron > Cey 518 Nelson Norman RC532 Willie Horton 545 Jeff Burroughs > 550 Ken Griffey 553 Dick Davis 554 Art Howe 558 Alfredo > Griffin 560 Dave Lopes 564 Rick Manning 568 Gary Roenicke 570 > Roy Smalley 574 Scot Thompson 579 Charlie Moore 587 Garry > Templeton 589 Chet Lemon 591 Rick Cerone 602 Brian Downing 612 > Cliff Johnson 615 Doug DeCinces 616 Gene Richards620 Richie > Zisk 621 Bob Grich 635 John Candelaria 637 Joe Simpson 645 > Rick Burleson650 Joe Morgan 691 Ivan DeJesus 695 Reggie Smith > 701 Ken Oberkfell RC704 Gene Tenace 705 Freddie Patek710 Graig > Nettles712 Rodney Scott 715 Sal Bando 720 Carl > Yastrzemski DP722 Jose Cruz > ______________________________________________________________________________ ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 11:21:46 -0800 To: Rob Fitts From: BBC Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] my update 1980 Topps want list This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, 720 Only 11 to go! John Stamper Happy New Year! On Jan 21, 2013, at 6:55 PM, Rob Fitts wrote: > Any help would be greatly appreciated > rob > 1 Brock/Yastrzemski HL, 22 Pat Putnam 23 Derrel Thomas 25 Lee Mazzilli 30Vida Blue 33 Tony Scott 37 Kiko Garcia 43 Bombo Rivera 45 Frank White 48 Rick Miller 53 Ben Oglivie 55 Bill Madlock 60 Bucky Dent 80 Ron LeFlore 85 Ted Simmons 87 Pepe Frias 88 Ken Landreaux 95 Cecil Cooper 106 Jeff Leonard RC 108 Bob Horner 110 Fred Lynn DP 116 Larry Cox 125 Tony Perez 129 Craig Reynolds 130 Amos Otis 135 Bill Buckner 137 John Castino RC 145 Darrell Evans 147 Terry Puhl 150 Jason Thompson 165 Omar Moreno 167 Jack Clark 171 Fernando Gonzalez 182 Ken Reitz 185 Hal McRae 196 Lance Parrish 215 Sixto Lezcano 220 Dave Concepcion 224 Willie Montanez 225 LouPiniella 230 Dave Winfield 238 Rob Wilfong 240 Dave Kingman 242 Lamar Johnson 245 Phil Niekro 260 Al Oliver 265 Robin Yount 278 Jim Spencer 285 Don Baylor 290 Steve Garvey 315 Steve Kemp 321 Keith Hernandez 322 Claudell Washington 330 Al Cowens 331 Rich Hebner 337 Carney Lansford 340 Ken Singleton 355 Gary Matthews 383 Ed Ott 385 Enos Cabell 396 Dan Meyer 400 George Foster 405 Dwight Evans 406 Paul Molitor 408 Bill North 438 Dave Revering 450 George Brett 456 Frank Taveras 461 Dwayne Murphy 463 Jerry Royster 485 Mickey Rivers 488 Roy Howell 500 Tom Seaver 501 Rennie Stennett 505 Bert Campaneris 507 Leon Roberts 510 Ron Cey 518 Nelson Norman RC 532 Willie Horton 545 Jeff Burroughs 550 Ken Griffey 553 Dick Davis 554 Art Howe 558 Alfredo Griffin 560 Dave Lopes 564 Rick Manning 568 Gary Roenicke 570 Roy Smalley 574 Scot Thompson 579 Charlie Moore 587 Garry Templeton 589 Chet Lemon 591 Rick Cerone 602 Brian Downing 612 Cliff Johnson 615 Doug DeCinces 616 Gene Richards 620 Richie Zisk 621 Bob Grich 635 John Candelaria 637 Joe Simpson 645 Rick Burleson 650 Joe Morgan 691 Ivan DeJesus 695 Reggie Smith 701 Ken Oberkfell RC 704 Gene Tenace 705 Freddie Patek 710 Graig Nettles 712 Rodney Scott 715 Sal Bando 720 Carl Yastrzemski DP 722 Jose Cruz ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:54 -0500 (EST) To: robfitts@optimum.net From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I pulled 8 of the last 11. Here's the three that are left: 290 Garvey 315 Kemp 510 Cey Ken M In a message dated 1/22/2013 2:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com writes: This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, 720 ================= To: "CardClctor@aol.com" , Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:42:35 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I have a Garvey...so down to two: 315 Kemp 510 Cey To: robfitts@optimum.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:54 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I pulled 8 of the last 11. Here's the three that are left: 290 Garvey 315 Kemp 510 Cey Ken M In a message dated 1/22/2013 2:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com writes: This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:14:30 -0500 To: Mac Wubben , From: Rob Fitts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Amazing guys! If somebody can knock off those 2, then you great obc guys will have killed off the entire set for me in 24 hours! Is this a record? On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Mac Wubben wrote: > I have a Garvey...so down to two: > 315 Kemp > 510 Cey > Mac > To: robfitts@optimum.net > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: cardclctor@aol.com > Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:54 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) > I pulled 8 of the last 11. Here's the three that are left: > 290 Garvey > 315 Kemp > 510 Cey > Ken M > In a message dated 1/22/2013 2:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com > This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... > 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, 720 ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 19:48:13 -0500 To: Rob Fitts From: "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I've got 315 Kemp, but no Cey. I'll get it out to you in the next couple days. On Jan 22, 2013, at 7:14 PM, Rob Fitts wrote: > Amazing guys! If somebody can knock off those 2, then you great obc guyswill have killed off the entire set for me in 24 hours! Is this a record? > Rob > www.robfitts.com > On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Mac Wubben wrote: >> I have a Garvey...so down to two: >> 315 Kemp >> 510 Cey >> Mac >> To: robfitts@optimum.net >> CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >> From: cardclctor@aol.com >> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:54 -0500 >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) >> I pulled 8 of the last 11. Here's the three that are left: >> 290 Garvey >> 315 Kemp >> 510 Cey >> Ken M >> In a message dated 1/22/2013 2:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com >> This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... >> 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, 720 ================= To: robfitts@optimum.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:45:05 -0500 (EST) From: Kent Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I have the 510 (Cey) card for you. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Fitts To: Mac Wubben ; OBC-Wantlist Cc: CardClctor@aol.com ; obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) Amazing guys! If somebody can knock off those 2, then you great obc guys will have killed off the entire set for me in 24 hours! Is this a record? On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Mac Wubben wrote: I have a Garvey...so down to two: 315 Kemp 510 Cey To: robfitts@optimum.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:54 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I pulled 8 of the last 11. Here's the three that are left: 290 Garvey 315 Kemp 510 Cey Ken M In a message dated 1/22/2013 2:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, 720 ================= To: Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:52:14 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: 1948L Ruth Guys: Maybe you can help me out. I've been offered $550 for the 1948L RuthI have on my For Trade/Sale page. Whaddayathink?? ================= To: , , Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:44:48 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: Bench (beat) and Ryan (neat) RCs to trade I have a pair of '68 Topps RCs available to trade that are on both ends of the spectrum as far as quality goes. 1968 Topps #247 (Bench/Tompkins RC, fr/pr)... This one is beat! Check the scan. Johnny actually doesn't look too bad but poor Ron was in a scrape and got mustached as well. Oh well. 1968 Topps #177 (Koosman/Ryan RC, EXMT+)... This one is neat! I haven't included a scan but if anyone is seriously interested in this one, I can take a couple pics and send them. It is graded BVG 6.5 (EXMT+) with great color and centering, front and back. The only reason this didn't grade better is due to the slight corner touches. Open to all offers but preference to 1-for-1 trades. http://www.sportscardfun.com/trader/taylor_schock.asp ================= To: "robfitts@optimum.net" , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2013 22:06:44 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) And I have the Kemp. That should do it. To: robfitts@optimum.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 22:45:05 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I have the 510 (Cey) card for you. -----Original Message----- From: Rob Fitts To: Mac Wubben ; OBC-Wantlist Cc: CardClctor@aol.com ; obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Jan 22, 2013 6:14 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) Amazing guys! If somebody can knock off those 2, then you great obc guys will have killed off the entire set for me in 24 hours! Is this a record? On Jan 22, 2013, at 6:42 PM, Mac Wubben wrote: I have a Garvey...so down to two: 315 Kemp 510 Cey To: robfitts@optimum.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2013 18:37:54 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rob's 1980 Topps want list (3 left) I pulled 8 of the last 11. Here's the three that are left: 290 Garvey 315 Kemp 510 Cey Ken M In a message dated 1/22/2013 2:22:41 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com writes: This is what is still needed after what I pulled.... 60, 230, 265, 278, 290, 315, 450, 500, 510, 579, ================= To: chuckparis@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2013 06:49:49 -0500 (EST) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1948L Ruth Aside from the name stamp on back, that is 1 really sharp Ruth. I woulld think closer to $700 would be a fair price. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Paris To: obc-ramblings Sent: Wed, Jan 23, 2013 1:52 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1948L Ruth Guys: Maybe you can help me out. I've been offered $550 for the 1948L RuthI have on my For Trade/Sale page. Whaddayathink?? ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:19:06 -0800 (PST) To: VCT , From: John Dahms Subject: some vintage basketball and hockey available. got a box at a show today. if you are looking for nrmt these arent for you. mainly in vg or so. looking to trade, or if you need em just ask. kinda want em out and don't mind a bit helping out. if interested please let me know. 71-72 topps basketball 20 113 72-73 topps basketball 124 134 187 226 73-74 topps basketball 34 111 118 127 134 152 213 233 248 69-70 topps hockey 68 70-71 topps hockey 10 72 81 71-72 topps hockey 1 4 72 72-73 hockey--48 78 84 133 134 155 159 73-74 hockey 13 19 23 31 32 39 49 59 61 71 80 82 126 132 133 164 175 178 77-78 hockey 27 42 117 129 137 81-82 hockey 351 84-85 hockey 236 John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 04:28:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble OK.. I had what I thought was a great opportunity a couple weeks ago to combine business with pleasure. I was scheduled out on the road and found myself close to 3 card stores that I had never visited before (and still actually existed!). Let's sum up the experience with the fact that I came back at the end of the day with 2 cards and spent a grand total of $2. Not my plan! So what went wrong? It was a combination of things at most places but these sum up my frustrations. 1) They didn't seem to care I was there. I didn't feel welcomed in any of the stores I visited. It was less "how can I help you" and more "hurry up so I don't have to watch you and make sure you don't steal anything". No mention of where I could find things--no explaining how the store was laid out or where anything was..what was in the huge pile of card boxes???. I asked each for low grade vintage---they all said they had it .....but where???? I told one worker a card I needed... he said it may not be in the book I was looking in...OK then where is it??????? Help me spend my $$!!! But he was more interested in this self important guy complaining about how a gum stain ruined a card in his hand than he was in my cash. 2) Lack of clear pricing. One store did have some things priced--too high for me but at least I didn't feel lost. If I have no idea of how you pricethen how much time can I spend browsing? At one place it took 15 minutes to get a price---yes it was the place I bought--we agreed on what I thoughtwas very reasonable prices for the 2 I picked out. I would have spent a lot more if everything was priced like that---but by then I was out of time! 3) It was hard to browse. What years do you want to see....well 1939-1980 should just about cover it!!!! How about your anything cheap binder? The best was the place that brought out a '63 binder with the cards back to back---sorted by team!! My guess is they have sold as many from the binder as I So enough complaining.. here's what I love...bargain boxes..clearly priced cards...the ability to sort through cardboard without feeling like a thief--and most of all someone who wants my business!! So what are your card stores like? Do you put up with what bugs me or do you have a Mecca of OBC fun in your backyard? Brian Betza ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jan 2013 20:46:39 -0800 (PST) To: B-999 , From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble i have a guy I have been dealing with for over 25 years. he is a partof a jewelery/comic/card shop......it has pretty much progressed to me giving him a call every month or so to see if he got in anything new i might be interested in. every once in a while he comes thru with something nice I can use. but as for just sitting and browsing thru boxes i don't have that luxury there. but I will say one thing.he knows what i am looking for and will call me if something comes in he knows i might like. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ From: B-999 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 11:28 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble OK.. I had what I thought was a great opportunity a couple weeks ago to combine business with pleasure. I was scheduled out on the road and found myself close to 3 card stores that I had never visited before (and still actually existed!). Let's sum up the experience with the fact that I came back at the end of the day with 2 cards and spent a grand total of $2. Not my plan! So what went wrong? It was a combination of things at most places but these sum up my frustrations. 1) They didn't seem to care I was there. I didn't feel welcomed in any of the stores I visited. It was less "how can I help you" and more "hurry up so I don't have to watch you and make sure you don't steal anything". No mention of where I could find things--no explaining how the store was laid out or where anything was..what was in the huge pile of card boxes???. I asked each for low grade vintage---they all said they had it .....but where???? I told one worker a card I needed... he said it may not be in the book I was looking in...OK then where is it??????? Help me spend my $$!!! But he was more interested in this self important guy complaining about how a gum stain ruined a card in his hand than he was in my cash. 2) Lack of clear pricing. One store did have some things priced--too high for me but at least I didn't feel lost. If I have no idea of how you pricethen how much time can I spend browsing? At one place it took 15 minutes to get a price---yes it was the place I bought--we agreed on what I thoughtwas very reasonable prices for the 2 I picked out. I would have spent a lot more if everything was priced like that---but by then I was out of time! 3) It was hard to browse. What years do you want to see....well 1939-1980 should just about cover it!!!! How about your anything cheap binder? The best was the place that brought out a '63 binder with the cards back to back---sorted by team!! My guess is they have sold as many from the binder as I So enough complaining.. here's what I love...bargain boxes..clearly priced cards...the ability to sort through cardboard without feeling like a thief--and most of all someone who wants my business!! So what are your card stores like? Do you put up with what bugs me or do you have a Mecca of OBC fun in your backyard? Brian Betza ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 00:25:08 -0500 To: B-999 , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 11:24:45 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Interesting OBC and health care connection Hi guys, During a research project today, I came across a page that helps establish "shared memories" with people by finding images, music, and experiences from earlier times. What's linked at the bottom but Dan Austin's Virtual Card Collection? http://www.mnsu.edu/comdis/kuster4/part51.html ================= To: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:24:39 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re: Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestio Good topic and I had to chime in. AU Sports just north of Chicago(6006 W. Dempster, Morton Grove) is almost perfect for me. They have lots of cards, all in boxes, in order, with plenty to choose from in all sports between primarily 1960 and 1980. Stars are in separate files as well as Cubs and White Soxs. Conditions include medium and low-grade, prices are OK (although not marked), and they let me go through the boxes myself. I don't think they have any graded cards in their 5 million card inventory. They also have a bargain box - 15 for $1. It is a great place to find obscure variations and printing differences as well as odd-ball issues. They are also on-line through Beckett stores. I wonder how long stores like this will remain in business in that there's not a lot of customers during my visits. It is the only place I've found in Chicago (that's still in business); unfortunately I have pretty well gone through their entire inventory. I wrote stories about the former owner-the late Steve Gold and the store which can be found on our Library page. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 16:59:07 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Tell me about your card store--- and a "I wonder how long stores like this will remain in business in that there=92s not a lot of customers during my visits." I wonder about this myself. Especially since it is so much cheaper NOT to have a store to sell cards. Even with ever increasing shipping costs it still has to be cheaper (per card, per sale, etc) to sell on-line rather than from within a brick-and-mortar business. I think card stores will have to bemore flexible to survive (such as having trading nights). Similarly with smaller card shows. I've talked with our local promoter a few times about allowing trading areas within the show itself. I've always contended that if an honest assessment was done, he would find that doing this would not impact dealer revenue and may very well increase it (and have examples to support that). He is actually considering this, but didn't want to "rock the boat" so soon after taking over the promotion from the previous owner, so it may be a little while longer though I'll definitely keep that bug in his ear. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: vrechek@ameritech.net Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 15:24:39 -0600 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestio Good topic and I had to chime in. AU Sports just north of Chicago(6006 W. Dempster, Morton Grove) is almost perfect for me. They have lots of cards, all in boxes, in order, with plenty to choose from in all sports between primarily 1960 and 1980. Stars are in separate files as well as Cubs and White Soxs. Conditions include medium and low-grade, prices are OK (although not marked), and they let me go through the boxes myself. I don=92t think they have any graded cards in their 5 million card inventory. They also have a bargain box =96 15 for $1. It is a great place to find obscure variations and printing differences as well as odd-ball issues. They are also on-line through Beckett stores. I wonder how long stores like this will remain in business in that there=92s not a lot of customers during my visits. It is the only place I=92ve found in Chicago (that=92s still in business); unfortunately I have pretty well gone through their entire inventory. I wrote stories about the former owner-the late Steve Gold and the store which can be found on our Library page.George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:59:57 -0500 (EST) From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestio I've thought about this issue extensively. A friend offered to sell me his cardstore about 5 years ago and I seriously considered it for about 8 minutes until I mentally pictured my wife's face when I told her "You quit your job and bought what???!!!!" I worked in a card store in college in the 80s (was paid in cards), and in the 90s I thought about opening one off and on and came up with a business plan based on my observations of lots of card stores. The points below are in no particular order, but are all predicated on the notion that you want to make it easy for customers to be customers. Many of these points have been touched on in other's emails. (1) Large, easily accessible bargain bin on the counter. Cheap, beaters. You'll sell 25 cards out of the bargain box for every one you sell out of a showcase. (2) Boxes of commons sorted by year with the boxes labeled on end so customers can easily ask for the ones they'd like to search. (3) Lots of cards, pictures, other non-card memorabilia for the local pro and college teams. To make it you need to have more than card collectors spend money in your store - it's good to be a source of birthday/holiday giftswhen mom wants to buy her son a Redskins [insert local team name here] photoplak for his birthday. (4) Have a bidboard. It gives collectors a reason to frequently return to the store. In my experience, whatever money people make selling on the bidboard, they usually immediately spend in the store. (5) Everything neatly priced. (6) If people can't see it, it won't sell. There's a local store here that has a large storeroom in back jammed with boxes of cards and crap, many of which haven't moved in 20 years (I've been tracking). I've told them for years to have a large blowout sidewalk sale and move all that stuff out cheapbecause it's just taking up space and capital with 0 return. (7) Have an email list and send out a monthly email listing new acquisitions, specials, etc. Card stores need repeat sales. You don't pay the rent if each person only visits once. (8) It's a business, treat it like one. ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 17:11:07 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: 69 topps football waiver wire i am putting up a lot of 69 topps football on the waiver wire tonite. if you are having to ask condition these are not for you. send me a list and your address and I will try to find some cards for you. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 18:34:00 -0800 (PST) To: B-999 , From: Thomas Elliott Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble I have one nearby store in my semi-remote outpost (St. Cloud, Minnesota). It's called Dugout Sports Cards in Sartell and it's OK, not great. The ownerdied about a year and a half ago and the new ownership is, well, different. I was very friendly with the old owner and always got a good deal on old vintage cards. The new guy isn't as willing to discount and I've clearly noticed that the merchandise doesn't change. My best bet is going to card shows in the Twin Cities when I can, which is only once or twice a year. I'm very thankful for OBC and on-line. Tom Elliott From: B-999 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:28 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble OK.. I had what I thought was a great opportunity a couple weeks ago to combine business with pleasure. I was scheduled out on the road and found myself close to 3 card stores that I had never visited before (and still actually existed!). Let's sum up the experience with the fact that I came back atthe end of the day with 2 cards and spent a grand total of $2. Not my plan! So what went wrong? It was a combination of things at most places but thesesum up my frustrations. 1) They didn't seem to care I was there. I didn't feel welcomed in any of the stores I visited. It was less "how can I help you" and more "hurry up soI don't have to watch you and make sure you don't steal anything". No mention of where I could find things--no explaining how the store was laid out or where anything was..what was in the huge pile of card boxes???. I asked each for low grade vintage---they all said they had it .....but where???? Itold one worker a card I needed... he said it may not be in the book I waslooking in...OK then where is it??????? Help me spend my $$!!! But he was more interested in this self important guy complaining about how a gum stain ruined a card in his hand than he was in my cash. 2) Lack of clear pricing. One store did have some things priced--too high for me but at least I didn't feel lost. If I have no idea of how you price then how much time can I spend browsing? At one place it took 15 minutes to get a price---yes it was the place I bought--we agreed on what I thought was very reasonable prices for the 2 I picked out. I would have spent a lot more if everything was priced like that---but by then I was out of time! 3) It was hard to browse. What years do you want to see....well 1939-1980 should just about cover it!!!! How about your anything cheap binder? The best was the place that brought out a '63 binder with the cards back to back---sorted by team!! My guess is they have sold as many from the binder as I bought...0! So enough complaining.. here's what I love...bargain boxes..clearly priced cards...the ability to sort through cardboard without feeling like a thief--and most of all someone who wants my business!! So what are your card stores like? Do you put up with what bugs me or do you have a Mecca of OBC fun in your backyard? Brian Betza ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2013 21:44:41 -0500 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Andy Huntoon Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble I have two stores nearby. One is very tidy and organized but it is mostly modern UV stuff which I'm not really looking for. The owner is nice and talks you up when your in there. He's always got his huge dog chillin out too. The other store is an absolute mess. Stuff is everywhere. Piles of cards all over every surface of the store. All waiting to be sorted I guess. He deals a lot of non card stuff too. Autos and plaques, photos, die cast models,etc. I get my supplies from this guy and the occasional pack or two. He has some vintage in his cases but all priced too high. When he sets up at thelocal shows he is the packs, supplies guy. He doesn't have any singles forsale at the shows. He's nice and chats with me when I'm in the store too. I wish there was a good store with a bargain bin and a lot of vintage to gothrough. I am jealous of those who have that kind of store near them. That's for sure. I'm just so happy I was introduced to OBC. You guys rock and my collection has grown so much in just the last couple months with ll your help. Thanks to Best regards. Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 06:13:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: Re: Tell me about your card store--- and a "little" card store suggestion ramble It's great reading the responses--- I have always felt that OBC let me hit all the bargain boxes available and the sharing of bargain box "finds" helps us all to have that card store right in our mailbox.. found a couple E-Bay bargains recently---not quite as satisfying as sorting through the cardboard but managed a decent '54 Rizzuto tonight so I'm down to 7!! Brian Betza ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 09:03:26 -0800 (PST) To: VCT , From: John Dahms Subject: vintage football waiver wire most all of these have one or more problems with them. if you are condition sensitive then they are not for you.....but thanks for looking. 60 topps #64 62 fleer #'s 6 38 66 philly #'s 17 42 46 175 186 67 philly #'s 169 186 68 topps #'s 23 49 63 101 131 132 134 140 150 167 174 175 176 192 198 215 69 topps #'s 2 5 8 10 15 2122 29 37 40 43 50 58 65 67 77 79 99 113 121 133 137 156 158 161 162 164 166 168 169 170 173 174 181 184 189 191 193 201 211 220 222 234 238 239 243 244 246 249 250 257 259 70 topps #'s 6 79 89 95 121 71 topps #'s 1331 37 60 67 135 137 151 163 166 182 233 254 72 topps #'s 1 4 5 8 25 35 42 59 85 98 113 119 123 129 260 75 fleer hall of fame cards (these are in nrmt) #'s 29 35 39 John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 16:26:15 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: weekend card show seeing as though I had to work on my birthday last monday I decided to takefriday off and head over about an hour drive east to Taylor Michigan to the gibralter show. Dealer Danny Phillips had an off condition box for me so i went over and grabbed it and mosey around the show. I went with a modest goal in mind, look for the last cards for my 69 and70 topps football sets, find a couple of the remaining cards for my 59 topps baseball set, and find a couple for my 59 topps football set. i was able to finish off the last 4 cards for the 69 football set. knocked off 3 of the remaining 5 cards for my 70 topps football. found two hinumbers for my 59 baseball set. and got a couple of cards for my 59 football set as well. all in all it was a very nice day, (bad weatherand losing my passenger side windshield wiper aside). spent about 3 hours or so. not many OBC bargain boxes to look thru at this show, was kind of disappointed in that, but the off condition box that I got from danny definately made upfor getting some nice packages ready to mail out in the next couple of days,with more to come in the near future. have a great evening and for those in the northern part of the US, be careful in this weather. thanks for the read and thanks OBC John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 18:01:50 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Musial eulogy Did you guys see this? http://fox2now.com/2013/01/26/bob-costas-gives-emotional-eulogy-for-musial/ If you have 20 minutes, it's pretty awesome... Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2013 21:09:55 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: OBC Monday week 2 Tonight, a strange mix comes out of the unsorted dupes box please send your address if you need any e HOFers 1968 billy williams #37 in F/G 1972 McCovey 280 vg 1964 Roberts 285 vg 1958 indians team 158 f 1960 yankees 332 g 3 1956 Topps 205 336 337 some higher priced 62s 20 colavito ex 446 497 551 (writing on front) 558 vg 1964 piniella RC 167 vg 1964s all off condition, many with writing 33 96 97 112 114 132 133 134 143145 152 168 174 175 p 181 195 215 218 229 252 273 284 296 308 338 368 340 377 439 449 537 ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 00:18:31 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 2013 OBC AC I've been giving this some considerable thought, and I've decided to step down from the AC this year. I have an extremely busy year ahead of me both in terms of work and family, and I'm not at all sure that I can dedicate as much effort as I feel I should to my AC duties. I've really enjoyed serving on the AC these past few years, and I would certainly encourage any prospective candidates to throw their hat into the ring for 2013. Thanks for your support. I'm very grateful and humbledthat you thought highly enough of me to elect me to an AC position on more than one occasion. Glenn Codere Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 18:34:37 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: OBC super bowl pool 2013 last chance to get in. I will pull the #'s on Thursday evening. That way you can use your printer at work on Friday :) Let me know if you want in. Later tonight I hope to put up the names of everyone who is in on the web site... http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm but maybe not until tomorrow.... ================= To: Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:16:26 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: OBC super bowl pool #XIII ok kids, the names are in the "blank" squares. Make sure your name is there, and if it isn't and you want it there, send me an email before 9pm Thursday. Go OBC! http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 22:48:25 -0500 (EST) To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #XIII Content-Language: en it looks like sean wants to win this year:-) In a message dated 1/29/2013 9:16:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, seanobc@comcast.net writes: ok kids, the names are in the "blank" squares. Make sure your name is there, and if it isn't and you want it there, send me an email before 9pm Go OBC! _http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm_ (http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm) ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2013 19:50:01 -0800 To: "LUURSCJG@aol.com" From: BBC Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC super bowl pool #XIII I was thinking the same thing. Pretty good odds! Happy New Year! On Jan 29, 2013, at 7:48 PM, LUURSCJG@aol.com wrote: > it looks like sean wants to win this year:-) > In a message dated 1/29/2013 9:16:33 P.M. Central Standard Time, seanobc@comcast.net > ok kids, the names are in the "blank" squares. Make sure your name is > there, and if it isn't and you want it there, send me an email before 9pmThursday. > Thanks, > Go OBC! > http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-13.htm ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 00:03:26 -0500 From: Shawn Smart Subject: thanks! Hi all - I wanted to say thank you for letting me join this wonderful group! I look forward to getting to know everyone. Thanks especially to those guys who I made initial contact with who helped put in a good word for me(Adriance, Whitworth, Dillon, West, Welk and Niessen). Shawn Smart =09=09 ================= To: Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 09:04:25 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Article on Oldest Living Major Leaguers I had fun writing an article for SCD that can be found at: http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.com/featured/super-senior-players-still-go I thought OBC members would relate to the discussion and my OBC-condition cards used to illustrate the lineups. Once the second part of the article appears, I'll post it on our OBC Library page along with current photos of the players. I plan to talk to a few super senior former major leaguers in addition to Gil Coan, who I interviewed for the second part of the article. George Vrechek ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 18:43:50 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: OPC help anyone? Looking for the following OPC baseball (buy or trade): 1966 OPC 67. Mets Rookies 98. Demeter 100 Koufax. 175. Campanaris 1968 OPC 2. batting ldr 10 pitching leader 16. indians rookies 27 Hodges 37 B.Williams 122 Mauch 152 WS 155 WS 1968 OPC posters--need all 1969 OPC Deckle Edge Carew, Gibson, Mclain, Robinson 1971 OPC 525 527-531 533 535-537 539-540 542 543 546-549 557 559-561 563-566 568 573574 576 577 579 586-588 592 594 596-598 603 605-606 609-612 615-617 624 628 630-633 635-637 640 642 644 648-653 659 661 664-665 673 674 676 678-679 682 685-686 688 697-698 700 709 713-714 717 720 724 733 735 736 738-740 743 745 747 750 1974 OPC 73 206 leader 207 leader 208 leader 350 Gibson 620 Trade Bait: 1965 Aaron #170 psa 6 1967 Kaline #30 1967 Mantle #150 1968 Mays #50 1968 Carew #80 1968 B.Robinson #20 1969 Aaron #100 1969 Mays #160 1971 Mays #600 1971 581, 647 1972 Aaron #299 1972 Clemente #309 1973 Mays #305 1973 Schmidt RC #615 1973 Ryan/Carlton ldr #67 Start lots of 65's, 67's, 68's, 69's, and 72's available too. Any help, dealer scum, trade...welcome! ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:42:15 -0800 (PST) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Stamper Subject: 1966 Blue Batman ID Help Calling all Batman card collectors. I am collecting all the batman cards from Red, Blue, Black, Riddler, Bat Laffs, etc. And also the USA and Canada versions. On the BLUE Bat cards all the cards I saw with the Blue Bat Back were USA and all the Blue Bat puzzle backs were Canada. So I was surprised when I picked up a couple of Blue BatPuzzle Back USA cards today. Can you look at the back of your Blue Bat puzzle cards and tell me if they are USA or Canada? And for that matter your Blue Bat Back cards as well. Thank youJohn Stamper http://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ ================= To: , Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:13:07 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Blue Batman ID Help I am 9 cards short of a "set" but have a mish-mosh of USA/Canada cards, so there are both versions available. I can guar-an-tee you the USA version came out in the USA back in the day since some of the ones I have I bought from the general store down the street. What I have noticed is that the Canada cards seem to have used a "greyer" paper stock than the USA cards, at least with the ones I have. Similar to, but nearly as dramatic, as the '56 and'59 grey/white back baseball cards. Being the OCD collector that I am, I will probably "have to" go back and update my want list for the 2 different versions. LOL To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:42:15 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Blue Batman ID Help Calling all Batman card collectors. I am collecting all the batman cards from Red, Blue, Black, Riddler, Bat Laffs, etc. And also the USA and Canada versions. On the BLUE Bat cards all the cards I saw with the Blue Bat Back were USA and all the Blue Bat puzzle backs were Canada. So I was surprised when I picked up a couple of Blue BatPuzzle Back USA cards today. Can you look at the back of your Blue Bat puzzle cards and tell me if they are USA or Canada? And for that matter your Blue Bat Back cards as well. Thank you John Stamper http://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ ================= To: , Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:23:21 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Blue Batman ID Help Sorry, let me clarify. I KNOW there are blue bat/puzzle back from both USA and Canada, since I have both. I ONLY have USA version of blue bat/blue bat(front/back) but that doesn't mean Canada doesn't exist. I just don't haveany. I also have red bat and Bat Laffs with both USA and Canada. The otherseries I can not confirm beyond the USA versions, but my guess would be there are USA/Canada versions for all series. To: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: taylor_schock@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 21:13:07 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Blue Batman ID Help I am 9 cards short of a "set" but have a mish-mosh of USA/Canada cards, so there are both versions available. I can guar-an-tee you the USA version came out in the USA back in the day since some of the ones I have I bought from the general store down the street. What I have noticed is that the Canada cards seem to have used a "greyer" paper stock than the USA cards, at least with the ones I have. Similar to, but nearly as dramatic, as the '56 and'59 grey/white back baseball cards. Being the OCD collector that I am, I will probably "have to" go back and update my want list for the 2 different versions. LOL To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: holidayandhobbies@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2013 17:42:15 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Blue Batman ID Help Calling all Batman card collectors. I am collecting all the batman cards from Red, Blue, Black, Riddler, Bat Laffs, etc. And also the USA and Canada versions. On the BLUE Bat cards all the cards I saw with the Blue Bat Back were USA and all the Blue Bat puzzle backs were Canada. So I was surprised when I picked up a couple of Blue BatPuzzle Back USA cards today. Can you look at the back of your Blue Bat puzzle cards and tell me if they are USA or Canada? And for that matter your Blue Bat Back cards as well. Thank you John Stamper http://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:07:26 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: 1934 Diamond Stars complete High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond Stars pursuit! There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its announced 240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry its own book. Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:17:11 -0800 (PST) To: Matthew Glidden , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] Great work, Spike! Congrats on finishing off a really cool set. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Matthew Glidden included below] High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond Stars There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its announced240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry its own book. Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! ================= To: , , Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:21:23 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Cograts on finishing (the base) set! ;-)! It really is a nice set...one that you appreciate more and more as you collect it. I haven't done the master set or anything...but if Spike throws down, I might have to as well. To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:17:11 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Great work, Spike! Congrats on finishing off a really cool set. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond Stars There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its announced240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry its own book. Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 10:40:07 -0500 (EST) To: Matthew Glidden From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] Congrats!! Now you need to finish the master set!! I wrote a lengthy article on this set for Old Cardboard magazine back in 09 which goes into a lot of detail about the master set. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Glidden" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 9:07:26 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] [ Attachment(s) from Matthew Glidden included below] High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond Stars There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its announced240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry its own book. Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:04:50 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings , From: Jake Elwell Subject: Waiver wire: Vintage non sport Don't be shy, claim away & please include your mailing address. 1962 Topps DR CASEY/DR KILDAIRE 8, 46, 55, 60, 73, 81, 108, 109 1963 Topps POPSICLE SPACE 20 1964 Topps/Bubbles OUTER LIMITS 29, 29(pencil) 1964 Topps JOHN F. KENNEDY JFK 58, 60, 65 1966 Topps RAT PATROL 4, 43 1966 Philadelphia GREEN BERETS 15 Condition is nothing to write home about (naturally) but no major paper loss or writing. In the event of multiple requests I'll finalize tomorrow morning & try to cover as many different OBCers as possible. Jake Elwell ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:34:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: re: calling all Batman cards All my blue bat with the puzzle backs say T.C.G. PRTD. IN U.S.A. All my blue bat with the blue bat backs say T.C.G. PRTD. IN U.S.A. ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 11:19:45 -0800 (PST) To: "glidden.matthew@gmail.com" , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Very cool!! You should go after the Green Tints Diamond Stars now... From: Mac Wubben To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; glidden.matthew@gmail.com; "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Cograts on finishing (the base) set! ;-)!It really is a nice set...one thatyou appreciate more and more as you collect it. I haven't done the master set or anything...but if Spike throws down, I might have to as well.Mac To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: glenncodere@yahoo.comDate: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 07:17:11 -0800Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Great work, Spike! Congrats on finishing off a really cool set. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond Stars There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its announced240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry its own book. Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 14:20:59 -0500 (EST) To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, glidden.matthew@gmail.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Content-Language: en with both * and ** In a message dated 1/31/2013 1:20:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, illini_grad_90@yahoo.com writes: Very cool!! You should go after the Green Tints Diamond Stars now... From: Mac Wubben To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; glidden.matthew@gmail.com; "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:21 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete Cograts on finishing (the base) set! ;-)!) set! ;-)!It really is a nice set...one that you appreciate more and more a I haven't done the master set or anything...but if Spike throws down, I might have to as well. I ha To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comTo: glidden.matthew@gmail.cTo: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; obTo: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups Great work, Spike! Congrats on finishing off a really cool set. _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond Stars pursuit! There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its announced 240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry its own Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! ================= To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 16:12:56 -0500 From: Shawn Smart Subject: INTERESTING ART! is this considered a homemade Tipton? lol http://badwax.net/2009/07/23/are-all-late-80s-and-early-90s-baseball-cards-worthless/ ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:24:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: 1934 Diamond Stars complete Don't forget the white and yellow letter variations.... --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > with both * and ** > In a message dated 1/31/2013 1:20:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, > illini_grad_90@... writes: > Very cool!! You should go after the Green Tints Diamond Stars now... > Congrats! > Geno > From: Mac Wubben > To: glenncodere@...; glidden.matthew@...; > "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:21 AM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete > Cograts on finishing (the base) set! ;-)!) set! ;-)! It really is > a nice set...one that you appreciate more and more a I haven't done the > master set or anything...but if Spike throws down, I might have to as well. > I ha > To: glidden.matthew@...; obc-ramblings@...: > glidden.matthew@...: glidden.matthew@...; obTo: > glidden.matthew@...; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups > Great work, Spike! Congrats on finishing off a really cool set. > Glenn > _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ > (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) > _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ > (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) > From: Matthew Glidden > To: obc ramblings > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:07 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] > High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my Diamond > Stars pursuit! > There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year > release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its > announced 240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry itsown > Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! > Spike ================= To: , , Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 21:00:25 -0500 From: Taylor Schock Subject: Available: Becketts with player photos I have come across a stack of older Becketts (mostly baseball but all sports) from the 1988-1995 time frame. I don't know anyone who actually collectsthese and I'm getting ready to just dump them to the recycle bin, but as the hoarder I am, I hate to just "throw them out", especially if there mightbe some of interest to those player/team collectors out there. During thistime, they had some great cover player photos (back, front, and interior cover pages) along with some nice artwork. Of course, most were from the current players but there were some old-schoolers as well. If anyone is interested in certain players, or certain teams, and wants me to pull them for you, PLEASE let me know. I can either send the entire magazine or just the cover/photo of what you are interested in. ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jan 2013 23:54:37 -0500 To: zackenback23 From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1934 Diamond Stars complete Uh oh, Master Set? That's dangerous territory in any decade, let alone the 1930s. :-) If nothing else, I look forward to reading through Bama's article and seeing OBC knowledge at work. On Thu, Jan 31, 2013 at 4:24 PM, zackenback23 wrote: > ** > Don't forget the white and yellow letter variations.... > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, smartalecx@... wrote: > > > > with both * and ** > > > > > > In a message dated 1/31/2013 1:20:01 P.M. Central Standard Time, > > illini_grad_90@... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > Very cool!! You should go after the Green Tints Diamond Stars now... > > > > Congrats! > > Geno > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Mac Wubben > > To: glenncodere@...; glidden.matthew@...; > > "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 8:21 AM > > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete > > > > > > > > > > Cograts on finishing (the base) set! ;-)!) set! ;-)! It really is > > a nice set...one that you appreciate more and more a I haven't done the > > master set or anything...but if Spike throws down, I might have to as > well. I > > I ha > > > > > > > > To: glidden.matthew@...; obc-ramblings@...: > > glidden.matthew@...: glidden.matthew@...; obTo: > > glidden.matthew@...; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups > > > > > > > > Great work, Spike! Congrats on finishing off a really cool set. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ > > (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) > > _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ > > (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Matthew Glidden > > To: obc ramblings > > Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 3:07 PM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 Diamond Stars complete [2 Attachments] > > > > > > > > > > High number #97 Al Lopez arrived from eBay this week, finishing my > Diamond > > Stars pursuit! > > > > > > There's so much going on with this set (color-heavy design, multi-year > > release, post-Ruth and Gehrig, back variations, stopping short of its > > announced 240 set size, to name a few) that I bet the set could carry > its own book. > > > > > > Thanks to everyone in OBC who helped! > > > > > > Spike > >