================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 03:24:16 -0800 (PST) To: talbot1@comcast.net From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive status Mark -- Thanks for the well thought out reply, and I would welcome others to join in. Just a little history for the new guys on where the Poll came from... Way back when, the Rules of Conduct had a membership cap. It was no big deal when there were only about 50 or so of us. However, we continued to grow and ended up approaching the cap, so the only way somebody could join is if somebody quit. It sounds easy enough...raise the cap or get rid of it, right? Well, many members were vehemently oppossed to that for whatever reason. The solution was twofold - a membership poll to make sure guys were "still around" and eventually the Inactive List, which didn't count towardsthe cap. Eventually, the "no-caps" won out and we did away with the cap, but the inactive list and poll remained. I was always a no-cap guy, but I never really liked the inactive list, since many people went there and disappeared. At some point we added the rule about people being dropped by the poll being allowed to come back without going through any hassle by just asking the AC. That allowed the guys who missed the poll due to whatever issue an avenue to get right back in. It also allowed us to "clean the roll call" once a year, and just as importantly, check that people's info was correct. Many people didn't respond to the poll because they changed their email and didn't update it. We can debate it, so I just wanted to give everyone the history of why it'sthere. I was on the AC a long time, before dropping out 5 or 6 years ago,so I was in on a lot of these debates. Thanks to everyone who voted me inagain this year...I'm looking forward to it! Take Care, On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 1:14 AM CST talbot1@comcast.net wrote: >Hello Geno, >I appreciate that you hold a strong conviction for your position and that others may agree with that position. I just want you to be aware that there are others including myself that feel just as strongly that flexibility and understanding should be the approach when making decisions about the responsibilities of inactive members. My positioncomes directly from my interactions with inactive members over a 2 -3 yearperiod when it was my responsibility to conduct the membership poll for the OBCAC. During most of that time if a member did not respond we simply removed them from the group and I felt that to be extreme so I did everything I could to personally contact members individually with emails, phonecalls and personal letters when they did not respond to the membership poll request. When I did get in contact with these members I found that almost without exception that the members did not want to leave the groupandhad good reason why theycould not respondsuch as;they were experiencing email difficulties, they had pressing family or personal matters that took precedence, they were overwhelmed with other responsibilities and simply didn't respond and so many more. Fundamentally they want to still be affiliated with OBC but be inactive - and the former OBCAC defined that inactivity to include not having to respond to the membership poll. I believe that to be a decision what was well thought out and took into account the sensitive issues that required some members to go inactive in the first place. If I recall it was not unanimous but a majority decision with some on that AC holding your position Geno. >You are on the current OBCAC Geno and I propose that youtake a straw poll during your first month of the new AC members on this issue andI believe that you will find that this is an issue that peopleare definitely divided on. I would not be in favor of changes that would remove members for not responding to a poll - I believe it to be harshand needless for someone who has already declared that they need to go inactive. Here are some hypothetical for you to consider : I would hate to see Joe Denning removed because he is serving our country and spends whatever limited time he has on the Internet to stay in contact with his family and he neglects to answer our poll. Is it fair to remove Brett Domue because his position overseas makes it nearly impossible to stay abreast of OBC happenings, I think not. I contacted an inactive member (whosename I will omit for his privacy) who had just returned from an extended hospital stay and was unaware of a poll but would have felt terrible and hurt if he had been removed, is that what we want? >Please I ask that you consider this issue carefully as agreat deal of attention went into making the original decisions. I suggest that it is not as cut and dried as responding to a membership poll and that the current system takes that into account. So Geno -I guess if you consider yourstance a "hard ass" position I suppose you could call mine a "soft ass" position or perhaps in jest a "candy ass" position, nonetheless I am just as strongly attached to it and I'm sure the debate can continue for some time to come. I am fully confident that theduly elected OBCAC will act in all of our best interest and I will abide by any decision that is made - I just wanted to be certain that you were aware that there is more than just Geno's position to consider. BE WELL!! >REGARDS ------------------- MARK >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Geno Wagner" >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:16:31 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive status >Geordie, Tim -- >What you guys are describing is the exact example of what Inactive Status should be. You're still around, but too busy for cards. That way I know if I send you something, I shouldn't be annoyed if I don't hear from you for awhile. I think Inactive guys should have full voting rights - no problem with >However, I do believe EVERYONE should respond to the membership poll or bedropped. Maybe I'm a hard ass, but it's the only way to eliminate names who never want to participate again. If they decide to come back, it's easy enough. Maybe I have OCD, but I want our roster filled with guys who want toparticipate, either actively or inactively. >Take Care, ================= Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 08:24:58 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive status My 2 cents I'm not seeing the difference between inactive/dropped. I think there should be two choices active or dropped. If I understand it correctlyeither way inactive or you dropped yourself all you have to do is email back saying you want to be active again and as long as you left in good standing you are put back on the list. Floating around the middle doesn't make sense to me put the responsibility back on eachindividual to getinvolvedagain. From: Geno Wagner To: talbot1@comcast.net Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 1, 2012 3:24 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive status Mark -- Thanks for the well thought out reply, and I would welcome others to join in. Just a little history for the new guys on where the Poll came from... Way back when, the Rules of Conduct had a membership cap. It was no big deal when there were only about 50 or so of us. However, we continued to grow and ended up approaching the cap, so the only way somebody could join is if somebody quit. It sounds easy enough...raise the cap or get rid of it, right? Well, many members were vehemently oppossed to that for whatever reason. The solution was twofold - a membership poll to make sure guys were "still around" and eventually the Inactive List, which didn't count towardsthe cap. Eventually, the "no-caps" won out and we did away with the cap, but the inactive list and poll remained. I was always a no-cap guy, but I never really liked the inactive list, since many people went there and disappeared. At some point we added the rule about people being dropped by the poll being allowed to come back without going through any hassle by just asking the AC. That allowed the guys who missed the poll due to whatever issue an avenue to get right back in. It also allowed us to "clean the roll call" once a year, and just as importantly, check that people's info was correct. Many people didn't respond to the poll because they changed their email and didn't update it. We can debate it, so I just wanted to give everyone the history of why it'sthere. I was on the AC a long time, before dropping out 5 or 6 years ago,so I was in on a lot of these debates. Thanks to everyone who voted me inagain this year...I'm looking forward to it! Take Care, On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 1:14 AM CST talbot1@comcast.net wrote: >Hello Geno, >I appreciate that you hold a strong conviction for your position and that others may agree with that position. I just want you to be aware that there are others including myself that feel just as strongly that flexibility and understanding should be the approach when making decisions about the responsibilities of inactive members. My positioncomes directly from my interactions with inactive members over a 2 -3 yearperiod when it was my responsibility to conduct the membership poll for the OBCAC. During most of that time if a member did not respond we simply removed them from the group and I felt that to be extreme so I did everything I could to personally contact members individually with emails, phonecalls and personal letters when they did not respond to the membership poll request. When I did get in contact with these members I found that almost without exception that the members did not want to leave the groupandhad good reason why theycould not respondsuch as;they were experiencing email difficulties, they had pressing family or personal matters that took precedence, they were overwhelmed with other responsibilities and simply didn't respond and so many more. Fundamentally they want to still be affiliated with OBC but be inactive - and the former OBCAC defined that inactivity to include not having to respond to the membership poll. I believe that to be a decision what was well thought out and took into account the sensitive issues that required some members to go inactive in the first place. If I recall it was not unanimous but a majority decision with some on that AC holding your position Geno. >You are on the current OBCAC Geno and I propose that youtake a straw poll during your first month of the new AC members on this issue andI believe that you will find that this is an issue that peopleare definitely divided on. I would not be in favor of changes that would remove members for not responding to a poll - I believe it to be harshand needless for someone who has already declared that they need to go inactive. Here are some hypothetical for you to consider : I would hate to see Joe Denning removed because he is serving our country and spends whatever limited time he has on the Internet to stay in contact with his family and he neglects to answer our poll. Is it fair to remove Brett Domue because his position overseas makes it nearly impossible to stay abreast of OBC happenings, I think not. I contacted an inactive member (whosename I will omit for his privacy) who had just returned from an extended hospital stay and was unaware of a poll but would have felt terrible and hurt if he had been removed, is that what we want? >Please I ask that you consider this issue carefully as agreat deal of attention went into making the original decisions. I suggest that it is not as cut and dried as responding to a membership poll and that the current system takes that into account. So Geno -I guess if you consider yourstance a "hard ass" position I suppose you could call mine a "soft ass" position or perhaps in jest a "candy ass" position, nonetheless I am just as strongly attached to it and I'm sure the debate can continue for some time to come. I am fully confident that theduly elected OBCAC will act in all of our best interest and I will abide by any decision that is made - I just wanted to be certain that you were aware that there is more than just Geno's position to consider. BE WELL!! >REGARDS ------------------- MARK >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Geno Wagner" >To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 9:16:31 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive status >Geordie, Tim -- >What you guys are describing is the exact example of what Inactive Status should be. You're still around, but too busy for cards. That way I know if I send you something, I shouldn't be annoyed if I don't hear from you for awhile. I think Inactive guys should have full voting rights - no problem with >However, I do believe EVERYONE should respond to the membership poll or bedropped. Maybe I'm a hard ass, but it's the only way to eliminate names who never want to participate again. If they decide to come back, it's easy enough. Maybe I have OCD, but I want our roster filled with guys who want toparticipate, either actively or inactively. >Take Care, ================= To: Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2012 21:53:59 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: 1954 Bowman...Did we know this? The '54 bowman set is very neatly organized...1-8 are players from the 8 al teams...9-16 are players from the 8 nl teams. 17-24 are players from the 8 al teams *in the same order*, and so on... right through the whole set! And they are 8 on a page, which is so cosmic! Did we know this? ================= Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2012 09:01:43 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, rick.lyons22@yahoo.com, illini_grad_90@yahoo.com From: Dahms Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] inactive status ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 09:25:43 -0500 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Inactive Status Having been on the inactive list twice in my 14+ years in OBC, I definitelyfall into the "candy ass" category. If I'm on inactive status then my wantlistsare not visible and that's a pretty good signal of how active I want to be; butby going inactive it says I still want to remain connected to the group. While always responded quickly to the annual membership poll, I realize that other inactives may not be able to respond for a variety of reasons and I see no need to remove them for nonresponse. To me it seems a nonissue. ================= Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 06:51:43 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tourney Continues Good morning all Polls are open for group 2, matches 9-16 as our favorite sets tourney continues. Link below for the "in progress" mtaches. Polls for this group will close Sunday evening, March 4 at 11:59pm CDT. http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-2.html Like the NCAA tourney, round one had its share of blowouts and close games - including one that literally came down to the last "shot". 41 of you submitted your picks and I would like to thank those who voted as well as those who simply read this musing. I'll update the website later with the results and second round matchups (pair the winners in order). A summary below, with the scores indicating votes received.: T206 - 36 1978 Topps - 5: Nobody really expected the '78 Topps set to put up much of a fight in this one and they didn't. 1960 Topps - 29 1960 Leaf - 11: I expected this to be a closer match, but as the voters showed throughout the black and white sets had trouble competing with color sets. Good news for '60 Topps is that they got to rest their starters. Bad news for '60 Topps is that T206 is next 1954 Topps - 28 1954 Red Heart - 13: The upstart regional Red Heart gave it their best, but in the end the star power of the Topps issue was too much for the sharp Red Heart set to handle. 1959 Fleer - 21 1966 Topps - 20: The match of the round, this one literally came down to the last vote. This one went back and forth. The '66ers opened up a four vote lead at one point, but the '59ers fought back. Down the stretch it became apparent that whoever had the ball last would win. A jumper by card #80 "Ted's Goals for 1959" put the Splendid Splinter set ahead to stay; a desperation heave by the Jim Palmer rookie was off the mark. 1934-36 Diamond Stars - 32 1948 Bowman - 8: What was dubbed as the battle of vintage square sets turned into a laugher early as the D-Stars poured it on and won with ease. 1970 Kelloggs - 22 1972 Kelloggs ATG - 19: Tensions were high during the cereal bowl as the ATGs were out to show they still had what it takes to compete with current players. The ATGs put up a battle, and attempted to mount one last surge to stay alive. The '70ers withheld a late rally to prevail. 1963 Topps - 25 1939 Play Ball - 15: This one was closer than the final balloting would otherwise indicate. The Topps gang closed this one on a 9-2 run to put this one in the bank. 1961 Topps - 32 1977 Topps - 9: To nobody's surprise, the '61 Topps put this one away early and cruised to victory, setting up a second round matchup of early '60s Topps sets. Thanks everyone for your interest. Reminder that votes are now being taken for group 2, matches 9-16. http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-2.html Mikc Mackie VCT / OBC / DT ================= To: Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2012 13:42:10 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Anybody have Delongs to trade? I might be able to use some Delongs in a trade...if anybody has any to trade, please let me know. ================= To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 16:44:13 +0000 From: Subject: Fwd: baseball contract Pretty cool. My friend got this from his father and just sold for almost million. Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: From: "PArbeeny@aol.com" > To: "Anthony Arbeeny (FAIRL)" > Subject: baseball contract email #1 The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 03:30:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: The HOM I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only oneat bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! RULES of eligibility: No chance of ever making the "real" Hall Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to1980 Must be nominated by a current OBC member No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason- who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected theAstroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey Concepcion. So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych,Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. Tom Housley ================= To: "'Tom Housley'" , Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 19:55:29 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM There have actually been a couple of drumming-out ceremonies recently....okay, the drums were pretty quiet, and most of you didn't even hear them....but guys like Blyleven and Santo had to leave our pseudo-Hall.......but they were replaced with noble candidates. I don't know how they got past the initial screening process, they should NEVER have had a chance at the real Hall to get into the HOM. (Okay, my fault there.) The bonus is when you get a guy in the HOM, you have an excuse to start a new binder. Like we need one. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 7:31 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! RULES of eligibility: No chance of ever making the "real" Hall Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to 1980 Must be nominated by a current OBC member No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason - who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey Concepcion. So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. Tom Housley No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 20:28:52 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Housley , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the HOMguys the other day and discovered that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in 2007.We certainly need more HOM guys and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have conquered blood island. "we keep what we give away!" From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, oronly got to pinch-run once, made it! RULES of eligibility: No chance of ever making the "real" Hall Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to 1980 Must be nominated by a current OBC member No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason- who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then tooka few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey Concepcion. So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:17:34 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM Conquered Blood Island, huh? Not hardly. Actually, I stopped Rambling about it when things got so bad that I just couldn't do it. Have attached a pic of last weekend's experience, happened overnight Friday/Sat., hopefully you can see the debacle. Any ideas how I spent my Sunday? Now have enough friggin' firewood to last about 10 years. Looking at the bright side, while I lost an eagle nest with this tree, I gained some ocean view. For some reason we keep going back for more. Never were overly bright, I guess. P.S. Maybe I should start Rambling about Blood Island again. It can only get From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:29 PM To: Tom Housley; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the HOM guys the other day and discovered that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in 2007. We certainly need more HOM guys and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have conquered blood island. "we keep what we give away!" From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! RULES of eligibility: No chance of ever making the "real" Hall Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to 1980 Must be nominated by a current OBC member No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason - who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey Concepcion. So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. Tom Housley No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:40:57 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM [1 Attachment] I'm going to kill two with one shot. I'll go with Boog Powell and the favorite card debate I'll go with Boog's 75 topps mini/regular card # 625. So ifanyone has any spares I'd give them a good home. Rick From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 4, 2012 9:17 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Grant Rainsley included below] Conquered Blood Island, huh? Not hardly. Actually, I stopped Rambling about it when things got so bad that I just couldn't do it.Have attached a pic of last weekend's experience, happened overnight Friday/Sat., hopefully you can see the debacle. Any ideas how I spent my Sunday? Now have enough friggin' firewood to last about 10 years.Looking at the bright side, while I lost an eagle nestwith this tree, I gained some ocean view. For some reason we keep going back for more. Never were overly bright, I P.S. Maybe I should start Rambling about Blood Island again. It can only get better. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:29 PM To: Tom Housley; Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the HOM guys the other day and discovered that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in 2007.We certainly need more HOM guys and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have conquered blood island. "we keep what we give away!" From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! RULES of eligibility: No chance of ever making the "real" Hall Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to 1980 Must be nominated by a current OBC member No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason - who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - then took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. No virus found in this incoming message. by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 19:34:00 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 21:43:02 -0800 To: Grant Rainsley From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM [1 Attachment] Regardless of whether it gets better or not, we stay amused. Let's get those stories cranked back up! :) On Mar 4, 2012, at 9:17 PM, "Grant Rainsley" wrote: > [Attachment(s) from Grant Rainsley included below] > Conquered Blood Island, huh? Not hardly. Actually, I stopped Rambling about it when things got so bad that I just couldn't do it. Have attached a pic of last weekend's experience, happened overnight Friday/Sat., hopefully you can see the debacle. Any ideas how I spent my Sunday? Now have enough friggin' firewood to last about 10 years. Looking at the bright side, while I lost an eagle nest with this tree, I gained some ocean view. For some reason we keep going back for more. Never were overly bright, I guess. > Grant > P.S. Maybe I should start Rambling about Blood Island again. It can only get > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK > Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:29 PM > To: Tom Housley; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM > Tom, > This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the HOM guys the other day and discovered > that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in 2007. We certainly need more HOM guys > and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have conquered blood island. > "we keep what we give away!" > From: Tom Housley > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM > I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For younewer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? > Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: > "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hopeof entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. > Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, andliterally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! > RULES of eligibility: > No chance of ever making the "real" Hall > Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to 1980 > Must be nominated by a current OBC member > No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual > To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" > So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason - who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. > My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved intoan industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey Concepcion. > So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. > Tom Housley > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 19:34:00 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2012 22:29:24 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tourney - Matches 9-16 In The Books; Polls open for Group Three Hi everyone Voting is now open for group three; polls for this will close Tuesday evening, March 6 at 11:59 CST. http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-3.html Group two's opening round is now in the books, with the results below. This group had four close matches including one that was decided in overtime by yours truly. A summary below, with the scores indicating votes received.: 1957 Topps - 35 1974 Topps - 7 This one was over almost as soon as it started. Led by a clean design and the high powered Robinson rookie "twins", the '57ers notched a dozen votes before 1974 was even on the board. 1957 never looked back, and now looks forward to round two. 1951 Bowman - 30 1952 Red Man - 12 The '51 Bowman set had a surprisingly easy time with this one. Guess having the Mays and Mantle rookies was too much for the tobacco set to handle. 1950 Bowman - 23 1954 Bowman - 19 For awhile this one looked like a laugher with the 1950 set jumping out to a 14-6 lead at the break. But the '54 set fought back and got within two at one point before running out of gas. The '50 Bowman set lives to fight another day. 1964 Topps - 23 1964 Topps Giants - 19 The regular Topps set fought off a stiff challenge from their super-sized counterparts. Early on the lead went back and forth, but a late surge by the '64 regulars pulled it out. In the end the set with some tough short prints finished, well, short. 1959 Topps - 22 1975 Topps - 19 The set led by the hot Brett/Yount rookie cards looked to have the edge in this one, but the veteran power of the '59 set pulled out a victory. With the defeat one of the favorite 1970s sets was knocked out. Topps sets from that decade are now 0-5 and there is the possibility that the decade may be shutout from advancing to round two. 1955 Bowman - 28 1973 Topps - 14 Not a surprise defeat, but for this writer the '73 set held the distinction of being the first set I collected as a kid. The color TV set seems to be one of those that you either love or hate. It got enough love to move on. 1989 Upper Deck - 22 1968 Topps Game - 21 (OT) 42 votes weren't enough to decide this one. After a recount and confirmation that there were no hanging chads, I invoked my tie-breaking vote as the election official for the '89 Upper Deck. In the end, the innovative design and great photography tipped the scales for this voter and the game changing set advances to face a set old enough to be its grandfather. 1941 Play Ball - 36 1951 Topps - 6 Red back, blue back - didn't matter. The colorful set issued just before America entered World War II won in a laugher. Glad so many of you seem to be enjoying this. We're halfway through round one. Mike Mackie VCT / OBC / DT ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:07:50 -0500 (EST) To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM [1 Attachment] Content-Language: en Not true i nominated tony olica last year since my original Homy was kick out on a technicality--Somw duing on the Hall of Fame. In a message dated 3/4/2012 11:18:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, grains@shaw.ca writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://070a90a0/default.html#TopText) from Grant Rainsley included below] Conquered Blood Island, huh? Not hardly. Actually, I stopped Rambling about it when things got so bad that I just couldn't do it. Have attached a of last weekend's experience, happened overnight Friday/Sat., hopefully you can see the debacle. Any ideas how I spent my Sunday? Now have enough friggin' firewood to last about 10 years. Looking at the bright side, while lost an eagle nest with this tree, I gained some ocean view. For some reason we keep going back for more. Never were overly bright, I guess. P.S. Maybe I should start Rambling about Blood Island again. It can only get better. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:29 PM To: Tom Housley; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the HOM guys the other day and discovered that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in 2007. We certainly need more HOM guys and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have conquered blood island. "we keep what we give away!" From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied from the OBC website: "The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joy to many fans. Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! RULES of eligibility: No chance of ever making the "real" Hall Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to Must be nominated by a current OBC member No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason - who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. Tom Housley No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 03:46:41 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1961T bites the dust!!!! Last night, I was successful in a bid for a 1961T #531 Jim Coates - the final card I needed to complete that set! I'm pretty stoked about that!! That leaves me needing 3 cards to complete the 1960-1965 run. So, if any ofyou just happen to have a 1962T #594 Uecker RC, a 1963T #553 Stargell RC, or a 1963T #537 Rose RC kicking around I'd be grateful for your consideration! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 04:00:55 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Completing 1961T Looking back at my old wantlists, it looks like I added the 1961T set roughly about Sept 2000, so completion time on that one was12 and a half years. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 12:19:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: Completing 1961T Congratulations on killing the set, Glenn - but only 12 1/2 years to finisha set? What was your hurry?? ;-) --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > Guys, > Looking back at my old wantlists, it looks like I added the 1961T set roughly about Sept 2000, so completion time on that one was12 and a half years. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 04:44:17 -0800 (PST) To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM Sorry Ray,evidently the jury's still out on Tony since he's not on the "we keep what we give away!" From: "LUURSCJG@aol.com" To: grains@shaw.ca; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 6:07:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM Not true i nominated tony olica last year since my original Homy was kick out a technicality--Somw duing on the Hall of Fame. In a message dated 3/4/2012 11:18:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, grains@shaw.ca >Conquered Blood Island, huh? Not hardly. Actually, I stopped Rambling about >when things got so bad that I just couldn't do it.Have attached a pic of last >weekend's experience, happened overnight Friday/Sat., hopefully you can see >debacle. Any ideas how I spent my Sunday? Now have enough friggin' firewood >last about 10 years.Looking at the bright side, while I lost an eagle >this tree, I gained some ocean view. For some reason we keep going back for >more. Never were overly bright, I guess. >P.S. Maybe I should start Rambling about Blood Island again. It can only get From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK >Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:29 PM >To: Tom Housley; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM >This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the HOM >the other day and discovered >that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in >2007.We certainly need more HOM guys >and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have conquered >blood island. >"we keep what we give away!" From: Tom Housley >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM >I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you newer >guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not nominate >your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? >Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, copied >from the OBC website: >"The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope of >entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought joyto >many fans. >Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam against >these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and literally >means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly were. In our >opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only one at bat, or >got to pinch-run once, made it! >RULES of eligibility: >No chance of ever making the "real" Hall >Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to 1980 >Must be nominated by a current OBC member >No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual >To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM commissioner. >[PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" >So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever reason >who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. >My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected the >Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into an >industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then took >few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey Concepcion. >So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark Fidrych, >Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the home >page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 HOM'ers, >so there's plenty of room for more. >Tom Housley >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 04:54:29 -0800 (PST) To: luurscjg@aol.com, grains@shaw.ca, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM I actually updated mine when Ron Santo made the Hall a couple months ago. My new guy is Dick Hoblitzell, a Reds/Red Sox firstbaseman who left the league for the Army in WWI. I found a cool picture of him a few years ago, so I had it framed and started trying to get his cards. Joshua is going to send my a T205 No Stats Hoblitzell some day... Take Care, On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 5:07 AM CST LUURSCJG@aol.com wrote: >Not true i nominated tony olica last year since my original Homy was kick >out on a technicality--Somw duing on the Hall of Fame. >In a message dated 3/4/2012 11:18:38 P.M. Central Standard Time, >grains@shaw.ca writes: >[_Attachment(s)_ (mip://070a90a0/default.html#TopText) from Grant >Rainsley included below] >Conquered Blood Island, huh? Not hardly. Actually, I stopped Rambling >about it when things got so bad that I just couldn't do it. Have attached a pic >of last weekend's experience, happened overnight Friday/Sat., hopefully >you can see the debacle. Any ideas how I spent my Sunday? Now have enough >friggin' firewood to last about 10 years. Looking at the bright side, while I >lost an eagle nest with this tree, I gained some ocean view. For some >reason we keep going back for more. Never were overly bright, I guess. >P.S. Maybe I should start Rambling about Blood Island again. It can only >get better. > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >[mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of EEK >Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2012 8:29 PM >To: Tom Housley; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM >This is amazing, great minds think alike!! I was just going through the >HOM guys the other day and discovered >that the last person to select a HOMer was Mike Mroz (Mickey Stanley) in >2007. We certainly need more HOM guys >and give Grant something to do with his time since he seems to have >conquered blood island. >"we keep what we give away!" > From: Tom Housley >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Sent: Sun, March 4, 2012 10:30:49 PM >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The HOM >I noticed there hasn't been a HOM nomination in a loooooong time. For you >newer guys - and for the old-timers who haven't nominated anybody - why not >nominate your very own HOM member & have him "enshrined" on our website? >Don't know what the HOM is? Well, here's everything you need to know, >copied from the OBC website: >"The HOM is a place where great players of the past, who have little hope >of entering the hall of fame, are honored for their careers which brought >joy to many fans. >Mediocrity - The word mediocrity is not in any way to be taken as a slam >against these guys. The word mediocre has its' origin in the Old Latin, and >literally means "half way up the hill," which all of these guys certainly >were. In our opinion, anyone who ever got to throw one pitch, or had only >one at bat, or only got to pinch-run once, made it! >RULES of eligibility: >No chance of ever making the "real" Hall >Must have played in the majors (or had a baseball card issued) prior to >Must be nominated by a current OBC member >No more than 1 player may be nominated by any individual >To nominate a prospective member, e-mail Grant Rainsley, the HOM >commissioner. [PLEASE, OBC MEMBERS ONLY!]" >So, here's your chance. If you have a favorite player - for whatever >reason - who you'd like to have included in the OBC HOM, send Grant an e-mail. >My HOM'er is Number 13 from the Big Red Machine: the guy that perfected >the Astroturf one-hop throw to first. The guy that was playfully shoved into >an industrial-sized dryer in the visiting clubhouse at Wrigley - and then >took a few tumbles inside, burning off some of his leg hair: Davey >So get those nominations in so the likes of Davey, Norm Cash, Mark >Fidrych, Charley Maxwell, Oscar Gamble and more (see the OBC Specials tab on the >home page to get to see the HOM) have some company! There are only about 55 >HOM'ers, so there's plenty of room for more. >Tom Housley >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >Version: 8.5.455 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4245 - Release Date: 03/03/12 ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:06:41 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Completing 1961T Yeah, I know. I kind of fast-tracked that one, didn't I? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 12:19 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Completing 1961T Congratulations on killing the set, Glenn - but only 12 1/2 years to finisha set? What was your hurry?? ;-) --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > Guys, > Looking back at my old wantlists, it looks like I added the 1961T set roughly about Sept 2000, so completion time on that one was12 and a halfyears. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 08:25:12 -0500 (EST) From: topgolf@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T That's great! I started my 1961 collection in 1961 and finished on 2002 Rest well, -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:01 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T Looking back at my old wantlists, it looks like I added the 1961T set roughly about Sept 2000, so completion time on that one was 12 and a half years. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:31:51 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T Regardless of how long it took, the key word is FINISHED!! Good to hear from you, Mike! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "topgolf@aol.com" To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T That's great! I started my 1961 collection in 1961 and finished on 2002 Rest well, -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:01 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T Looking back at my old wantlists, it looks like I added the 1961T set roughly about Sept 2000, so completion time on that one was12 and a half years. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 05:54:23 -0800 (PST) To: Glenn Codere , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T So I just Started my 58 - 62 sets(my childhood collecting years) within last few years. Given my senior status I may need to pass the responsibility completion to my Grandson. "we keep what we give away!" From: Glenn Codere To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 8:31:51 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T Regardless of how long it took, the key word is FINISHED!! Good to hear from you, Mike! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "topgolf@aol.com" To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T That's great! I started my 1961 collection in 1961 and finished on 2002 Rest well, -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 4:01 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Completing 1961T Looking back at my old wantlists, it looks like I added the 1961T set roughly about Sept 2000, so completion time on that one was12 and a half years. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 06:07:29 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1958 Maris RC on ebay Thought I'd throw out a heads up on this one. There might be a chance to pick it up at a reasonable price! 1958 Maris with punch holes Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 09:25:54 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Wow...that 61 set is tough...congrats. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:47 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Last night, I was successful in a bid for a 1961T #531 Jim Coates - the final card I needed to complete that set! I'm pretty stoked about that!! That leaves me needing 3 cards to complete the 1960-1965 run. So, if any ofyou just happen to have a 1962T #594 Uecker RC, a 1963T #553 Stargell RC, or a 1963T #537 Rose RC kicking around I'd be grateful for your consideration! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 07:56:03 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! So your the one who has been out bidding me for 61's the last 6 months. It's my last 60's set to complete and been very hard to get, all are stars or high's. From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 3:46 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Last night, I was successful in a bid for a 1961T #531 Jim Coates - the final card I needed to complete that set! I'm pretty stoked about that!! That leaves me needing 3 cards to complete the 1960-1965 run. So, if any ofyou just happen to have a 1962T #594 Uecker RC, a 1963T #553 Stargell RC, or a 1963T #537 Rose RC kicking around I'd be grateful for your consideration! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 15:02:36 -0600 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Re: The HOM Thanks, Tom, for getting us focused on the serious business of OBC membership. I love our rules that basically say that if you nominate someone who meets the criteria they are in. You don't have to convince anyone else. I'm going to have to give this some thought though since I don't want to waste my once-every-12-years-or-so nomination. I always liked Hank Sauer, but he is really well-above mediocre, except for his very large nose. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 14:57:09 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: The HOM Wasn't he the guy that used to stash his chew in the ivy at Wrigley so he always had a refill during those long innings? Take Care, --- On Mon, 3/5/12, George and Susan Vrechek wrote: From: George and Susan Vrechek Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: The HOM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, March 5, 2012, 3:02 PM Thanks, Tom, for getting us focused on the serious business of OBC membership. I love our rules that basically say that if you nominate someone who meets the criteria they are in. You don=E2=99t have to convince anyone else. I=E2=99m going to have to give this some thought though since I don=E2=99t want to waste my once-every-12-years-or-so nomination. I always liked Hank Sauer, but he is really well-above mediocre, except for his verylarge George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 20:52:13 -0500 (EST) To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, glenncodere@yahoo.com, From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Content-Language: en geez not like you would need a common card In a message dated 3/5/2012 10:04:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, hoot_owl1@verizon.net writes: Congrats Glen-- Seems I can't get over the finish line with this set as I still need that pesky Pirates team card and the Maris AS. Hopefully I will join the recent finishers of the 61 set--which I know includes Grant and yourself. On 03/05/12, Joshua Levine wrote: Wow...that 61 set is tough...congrats. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere <_glenncodere@yahoo.com_ (mailto:glenncodere@yahoo.com) > To: OBC Ramblings <_OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) > Sent: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 3:47 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Last night, I was successful in a bid for a 1961T #531 Jim Coates - the final card I needed to complete that set! I'm pretty stoked about that!! That leaves me needing 3 cards to complete the 1960-1965 run. So, if any of you just happen to have a 1962T #594 Uecker RC, a 1963T #553 Stargell RC, or a 1963T #537 Rose RC kicking around I'd be grateful for your _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 00:00:43 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: March Madness Time It's that time of year again. Looking for 15 others that would like to compete in the OBC NCAA Contest. Each person will be represented by four teams, one in each of the regions with the seed numbers adding up to 34. That means you'll get one team with a 1-4 seeds, one with a 5-8 seed, one with a 9-12 seed and one with a 13-16 seed. For example: East #15, South #7, Midwest #2, and West #10; 15+7+2+1034. Whenever any of your teams win thenyou'll receive cards from the owner of the losing team. Likewise if your team loses then you send cards to the owner of the winning team. Everybodysends cards to the final winner which last year was T.J. Valacak and the UConn Huskies. While going through old emails to find out who won I don't believe I ever sent anything T.J.'s way. I'll have to rectify that situation this weekend. Anyway, if you want in then let me know. If more than 15 people respond then I'll take the first 15 and anybody else will get first crack next year. The odd man out last year was Mike Rich so Mike, I have a spot reserved for you if you want it. -Bob ================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 03:57:54 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Update - Group 3 Polls Closing Early Hi everyone In my email Sunday, I indicated that the polls for group three would remain open until almost midnight my time. Not sure what I was thinking there. I will keep the voting open until about 10:00 CST tonight. Group three matches can be found http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-3.html ================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 04:12:21 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: The HOM Hi all - I'm going to have to give this serious consideration. So many possibilities and since I only get one shot I'll have to pick a good one. Mike Mackie ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: George and Susan Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 5, 2012 3:02:36 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: The HOM Thanks, Tom, for getting us focused on the serious business of OBC membership. love our rules that basically say that if you nominate someone who meets the criteria they are in. You don=E2=99t have to convince anyone else. I=E2=99m going to have to give this some thought though since I don=E2=99t want to waste my once-every-12-years-or-so nomination. I always liked Hank Sauer, but he is really well-above mediocre, except for his very large nose. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:25:10 -0800 (PST) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: Fw: Unable to deliver your message From: Yahoo! Groups To: originaleek1@att.net Subject: Unable to deliver your message Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:21:57 -0800 (PST) From: EEK Subject: HOM Guy wantlist To: OBC-Wantlists In keeping with the more I get the more I need theme: with an assist from Rick Lyons (Thanks Rick), Irecently obtained the 64 Chicago Transfer-ettes featuring Charlie Maxwell.As a bonus of the other sheetsfeatured Hoyt Wilhelmwhich will go in a HOF binder. While doing a little more research inmy recently acquiredSCD of Vintage Baseball Cards I found a few more items I would like to add to the Maxwell binder. Ialso discovered why the1955 Orioles Esskay is not yet in my binder. At any rate here is my list, any help is most welcome and gratefully reciprocated if at all possible. ***BTW The third ChiSox Transferr-ette is available to anyone who needs it. UPDATED 3/3/12 ***ANY Condition*** 1910-57 Baseball Magazine Poster (unnumbered) 1950s-70s Rawlings Advisory Staff Photos #72 1954 Boston Red Sox Photo Pack #20 1955 Orioles Esskay #15 1959 Venezuelan Topps #34 1960-64 Chicago White Sox Ticket Stubs 63-19 1961 Post #37A 1961 Post #37B 1961 T Stamps 128 1961 T Stamps Panel #24 1958-1962 Jay Publishing #394 1962 Jello #25 1963 Jello #41 1964 T #401 (up-grade) 1979 Diamond Greats #246 1981 TCMA 60's II #320 1983 T Reprint 52 #180 "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 06:30:35 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Keeping your OBC profile information up to date Over the past year or so, there have been several general requests by OBC members to have the appropriate "web people" update a postal address, email address, their entry in the Who Collects What page and other items of personal info. Its probably a good time to remind members that these are all things that you can (and should) do yourself directly from the OBC homepage. Here's From the OBC Homepage, click the "Directory" link in the left frame. Next, under "OBC Member Features" click the "Update your address or collecting goals" link. This takes you to the OBC Members Profile Services page. Lastly,click the "Update OBC Profile information" link. Select your name from thedrop-down list, then enter your login password. The OBC Member Profile Update screen you are presented with allows you to add or update your: Email address Wantlist (or website) URL Postal address Telephone numbers Ebay & AIM names Collecting preferences (which appear alongside your public facing entry on the OBC Directory page) Biography (there are currently 75 Bios posted, although many are for members who have left OBC. Why not write a few paragraphs and let your fellow members know something about you outwith our common cardboard fetish?) You are also able to complete a fairly nifty tickbox grid indicating which specific sets you are currently working on. This information feeds directlyinto the "Who Collects What?" webpage. Once you've made your changes, simply click the "Update Profile" button, and you're good to go! From the OBC Members Profile Update page, you are also able to change your password, and access Wayne Delia's General Help File for carrying out profile update tasks. Although OBCers are always ready, willing and able to help out a fellow member, please be aware that the vast majority of these types of edits can be easily handled by you yourself, so please have a crack at it before asking someone else do it for you. Glenn Codere on behalf of the OBC AC Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 08:05:23 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Apologies for the double message Apologies if you received the reminder message concerning your OBC Profile twice. After sending the message out via the Announcements server, I didn'treceive a copy myself, and assumed that for some reason it hadn't gotten through that avenue. I've now been informed that it was in fact received by the Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:28:20 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tournament - Matches 17-24 Results Hi everyone: Voting is now open for group four; polls for this will close Thursday evening, March 8 at 10:00 CST. http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-4.html Group three results are now final, so without further adieu: 1953 Bowman Color - 34 1979 Topps =E2=93 6 Here=E2=99s yet another case of a late 1970s set getting blown out by an old classic. Not much else to say here. 1961 Post =E2=93 21 1940 Play Ball =E2=93 19 Finally an =E2=9C8-9=E2=9D matchup that lived up to its billing. This one had some wild swings as the Play Ball set jumped out to an early 6-1 lead before the Posties rallied. The Post Men had a five vote lead of its own before the Play Ballers began a rally of its own. In the end, they ran out of time and voters and =E2=9961 Post advanced. 1953 Topps =E2=93 34 1887 Old Judge =E2=93 6 I really expected this to be a more interesting match. I get that few if any of you out there collect the Old Judge set (I have one), but still I thought this would be a better game than this. Topps ensured that both =E2=9953 sets advanced. I wonder how the Allen-Ginter would have fared here? 1952 Bowman =E2=93 27 1949 Bowman =E2=93 13 This was a tale of two halves. The first half was a tight match and the =E2=9952 set took a narrow 11-9 lead intothe room. Someone forgot to tell the =E249ers that there was still a campaign in the second half. The =E2=9952 Bowman set outscored their =E2=9949 counterparts 16-4 in the second half and move on. 1963 Fleer =E2=93 23 1969 Topps =E2=93 17 Led by Maury Wills=E2=99 debut card, Fleer=E2=99s first modern set of current players jumped out to a 9-3 lead and it looked like the route was on. Not so fast, said Topps. The =E269ers hung tight,and they never could catch the =E2=9963 Fleer gang, they hung around. In the Reggie=E2=99s rookie card and Mickey=E2=99s last hurrah was not enough. But that=E2=99s the way the cookie crumbles as the cards that came with a cookie instead of gum 1971 Topps =E2=93 21 1965 Topps =E2=93 19 Finally, a 1970s Topps set wins and this one wasn=E2=99t easy. Early on the pennants were flying and the =E2=9965gang, led by the Morgan and Carlton rookies, took a 12-8 lead into the break. The Men in Black fought back and closed the match on a 6-2 run to pull it out. T3 Turkey Red =E2=93 33 1964 Topps Stand Ups =E2=93 6 OK, explainthis one to me. On one hand, a 125 year old set that nobody collects (Old Judge) gets blown out, and yet here we have a 100 year old set that nobody collects (like Old Judge, have one of these) which gets 85% of the votes. Turkey Red overpowered the Stand Ups, who were kneeling and begging for mercy by the end. 1956 Topps =E2=93 37 1976 Topps =E2=93 3 In the biggest blow out so far, the =E2=9956 set dominated from beginning to end. Not much to say here except because the routs at the bottom of the bracket, I have decided to redo the bracket such that the Turkey Reds will take on =E2=9963 Fleer next while =E2=9956 Topps gets their =E2=9971 Vote on! ================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 05:52:34 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" Subject: Desert island baseball books? One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 15:51:43 +0000 To: obc ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1 on my list. And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 08:21:56 -0800 (PST) To: malsman250@neo.rr.com, obc ramblings , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I'm in the process of reading Rob Fitts'latest bookBanzai Babe Ruth and I would definitely have that on my list. I think it is a great historical perspective that even non baseball fans would find fascinating. Kudos to Rob! "we keep what we give away!" From: "malsman250@neo.rr.com" To: obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:51:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1 on my And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 17:49:00 +0000 (UTC) To: Glenn Codere From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Congrats Glenn, This reminds me of the National last year in Chicago. As we were meeting outside the convention center awaiting dealer badges to get in, Glenn handed me a 61 Roger Craig, at the time one of 5 or 6 I had left on my wantlist. A very nice gesture, but even nicer considering Glenn still needed the card himself. Ah! The OBC spirit had struck again. Thanks again for helping me Glenn and congratulations on finishing that set. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Glenn Codere" To: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 5:46:41 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961T bites the dust!!!! Last night, I was successful in a bid for a 1961T #531 Jim Coates - the final card I needed to complete that set! I'm pretty stoked about that!! That leaves me needing 3 cards to complete the 1960-1965 run. So, if any ofyou just happen to have a 1962T #594 Uecker RC, a 1963T #553 Stargell RC, or a 1963T #537 Rose RC kicking around I'd be grateful for your consideration! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 12:23:40 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? My pick (if only allowed one book):Total Baseball. Mike Mackie ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: EEK To: malsman250@neo.rr.com; obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:21:56 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I'm in the process of reading Rob Fitts'latest bookBanzai Babe Ruth and I would definitely have that on my list. I think it is a great historical perspective that even non baseball fans would find fascinating. Kudos to Rob! "we keep what we give away!" From: "malsman250@neo.rr.com" To: obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:51:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1 on my And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: >http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 04:54:12 +0000 (UTC) To: obc , Jimmy , From: Subject: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? All..
I hope you stay tuned...
I have something cooking with Rob that will hopefully be a big hit in OBC world. The details are forthcoming but in the meantime start honing your writing skills for a neat contest coming soon.

Rob, let's get serious about my earlier proposal regarding Banzai. I should have some time this week, the past few weeks have been nutty busy.

OBC Forever
Brian

Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 05:00:55 -0800 (PST) To: CardClctor@aol.com, Bob Donaldson , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Unable to deliver your message Thanks for the info on getting to the Wantlist server. Itried to change the address, didn't work! "we keep what we give away!" From: "CardClctor@aol.com" To: originaleek1@att.net Sent: Thu, March 8, 2012 7:22:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Unable to deliver your message The addressis obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com - you had an extra 's' inyours. Ken M In a message dated 3/6/2012 9:25:26 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, originaleek1@att.net writes: Do I have the wrong addy for the wantlist server? ================= Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2012 07:50:10 -0700 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Fitts Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Lots of good books on that list but here are some that i think are even better. These are all historical narratives that are fun reads This is off the top of my head from the Nine baseball conference so i may get some of thenames Hit them where they aint. Best book on 19th c bb Sadaharu oh zen way of baseball by faulkner The pitch that killed about carl mays Fleetwood walker bio - i forget the name Pitching in the promised land aaron pribble about bb in israel Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 10:37:46 -0500 To: Rob Fitts From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I strongly recommend the old Fireside Book of Baseball books. There were three volumes between 1956-1968, they were a collection of newspaper/magazine original articles from BB history. People like Grantland Rice, also first hand player accounts. Great reading if you can find it. On Thu, Mar 8, 2012 at 9:50 AM, Rob Fitts wrote: > ** > Lots of good books on that list but here are some that i think are even > better. These are all historical narratives that are fun reads This is off > the top of my head from the Nine baseball conference so i may get some of > the names wrong > Hit them where they aint. Best book on 19th c bb > Sadaharu oh zen way of baseball by faulkner > The pitch that killed about carl mays > Fleetwood walker bio - i forget the name > Pitching in the promised land aaron pribble about bb in israel > Rob > Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 05:16:59 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tournament Marches (pun intended) On Hi everyone: I had a few unexpected personal events (nothing major), and thus I was unable post the results of group 4. I will do so now with limited commentary Voting is now open for round two =E2=93 the quarterfinals of groups 1 and 2 (matches 33 thru 40). Polls for this set of balloting will close Saturday evening, March 10 at 10:00pm CST http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney.html http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-2.html Group four results are now final, so without further adieu: 1952 Topps - 33 1955 Doubleheaders =E2=93 3 About what I expectedin a match between one of the favorites to win it all versus the last set in. 1960 Fleer =E2=93 21 1961 Fleer =E2=93 15 Fleer=E2=99s tribute to the game=E2=99s greatest players took the form of these two sets. The two battled neck and neck and were tied 12-12 before the original pulled away from the sequel as fatigue over those =E2=9961 high numbers kicked in. 1955 Topps =E2=93 29 1958 Topps - 7 No surprise here. Personally 1958 is my least favorite Topps effort of the decade (well, excluding 1951). 1962 Post - 19 1947-66 Exhibits =E2=93 17 The most interesting match, this one came down to the wire. The Exhibits took a 12-8 lead at halftime as concerns over obsure short prints like Marty Keough, Darryl Spencer, and Gordy Coleman lingered. The locker room speech must have been something as Post came out firing and overtook the Exhibits as another black and white set bit the dust. 1967 Topps =E2=9331 1968 Topps =E2=93 5 The burlap sackers, Nolan Ryan rookie and all, had nothing. 1971 T205 =E2=93 22 1972 Topps =E2=93 14 That weird psychedelic set took an early 3-2 lead before the classic gold-border set took over. At 15-7, the T205 seemed have things under control. Then the =E2=9972 Topps gang rallied and closed the gap to 17-13 but got no closer. 1962 Topps =E2=93 32 1987 Topps =E2=93 4 The match of the woodieswas one sided. The =E287ers received a lot of support in the preliminary screening process, which is how they got here at all. That support, however, dried up as quickly as Barry Bonds=E2=99 first ballot Hall of Fame possibilities and the rout was on. 1933 Goudey =E2=93 29 1970 Topps =E2=93 7 Goudey set a new mark my scoring the first 15 votes of this match and coasted from there. ================= Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 11:25:25 -0800 (PST) To: dugout traders , From: John Dahms Subject: waiver wire---a couple of posties Hi all, I found a couple of posties and they are available to the first onewho emails with their address.....need to say these are not in good shape whatsoever so if you are condition sensitive these arent for you. 1961 post #167 Duke Snyder 1962 post canadian #163 Lindy McDaniel there you go...let me know and have a great day John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2012 15:24:15 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: Last call for March Madness I'm looking for 16 participants for an OBC March Madness tournament. Everybody gets 4 teams from the tournament and as long as your teams keep winning, you get cards. If your team loses you send cards to the owner of the team that beat you. So far I have 12 responses and am still waiting to hear from Mike Rich who was on the waiting list from last year. Mike: Let me know if you want in? Here are the 12:1. Bob Reed2. Randy Welk3. John Stamper4.Ray Luurs5. Earl Killbourne6. Geno Wagner7. Peter Mead8. T.J. Valacak9. Mac Wubben10. Mark Talbot11. Brian Betza12. Larry Gersbach13. ?? 14. ??15. ??16. ?? Also, I need two volunteers from the group above to help me out with something. I'll take the first two that respond. Thanks.-Bob R =09=09 ================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 09:19:04 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tournament - Next group Hi Everyone Voting is now open for round two =E2=93 the quarterfinals of groups 3 and 4 (matches 41 thru 48). Polls for this set of balloting will close Monday evening, March 12 at 10:00pm CST. NOTE there are two separate pages that have active voting (see below) http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-3.html http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-4.html Another eight matches are in the books: T206 - 29 1960 Topps =E2=93 10 The classic tobacco set won with relative but not by as much as one may have thought. This sets up what promises to be interesting sweet 16 match up. 1954 Topps =E2=93 35 1959 Fleer =E2=93 4 The rout was on early as the =E2=9954 gang pulled away early and never looked back for a surprisingly easy victory. The Aaron, Banks, and Kaline rookies provided too much firepower in this one. 1934-36 Diamond Stars =E2=93 23 1970 Kelloggs - 15 The colorful Depression-era set took control early, taking a 12-6 lead into the break and cruising from 1963 Topps - 21 1961 Topps =E2=93 18 In this reporter=E2=99s eyesthis was a big upset as a set which had elite eight designs (if not further) was stunned. The match went back and forth, but the =E2=9963ers took control with a couple of jumpers by the Pete Rose rookie and led 17-13. All they needed to do was knock down its free throws, but a couple of front end one-and-one misses matched on the other end Juan Marichal rookie jumpers and the game was tied at 17. Willie Stargell rookie responded and knocked down a big shot, and those pesky '61 high numbers couldn't respond with the game on the line. 1957 Topps =E2=9330 1951 Bowman =E2=93 9 The =E2=9951 set jumped out to an early 2-1 lead before the firepower of one of field=E2=99s favorites put this one out of 1964 Topps =E2=93 20 1950 Bowman =E2=93 19 This see-saw affair came down to the last ballot and a tip-in by Ken Hubbs memorial provided the winning margin. 1959 Topps =E2=93 21 1955 Bowman =E2=93 18 A third straight match in which Topps beat Bowman. This one was tied 10-10 at the break before Topps opened up some breathing room. 1941 Play Ball =E2=93 29 1989 Upper Deck =E2=93 10 In this match-up between the end of an era (pre-war) and the beginning of a new era (UV), the old guard prevailed. Play Ball scored the first ten points and coasted from there. ================= To: "obc" , Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 13:08:31 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? OBC World, I'm not sure if my note below was an effective teaser, but I want to announce the beginning of a new and hopefully fun contest! It'll be easy to enter, and pretty easy to win. The contest will be a writing contest, the entries will be judged by a panel of experts (otherwise known as mystery OBCers) I've purchased 6 of Rob Fitts' awesome new book "Banzai Babe Ruth: Baseball, Espionage, and Assassination during the 1934 Tour of Japan" http://www.amazon.com/Banzai-Babe-Ruth-Espionage-Assassination/dp/0803229844 These will serve as the grand prizes and will be autographed by our esteemed pal ,OBC member and award winning author Robert K. Fitts hisself. Here's all that you have to do: Step 1: To enter the contest, you have to email me with your intentions in the next 4 days. (You do NOT have to have your story finished) but your essay will only count if you have "entered" by the deadline. Thursday March 15th is the last day to enter. Step 2 : I have randomized topics/themes that I will assign you to write about. (The time tested randomization method of the paper/scissors/hat will be employed) You will receive your topic/theme shortly after you email me your entry. Themes will be mostly baseball, favorite baseball cards, baseball with kids, OBC experiences,sports games, family and a lot of overlapping subjects like that...this is designed to produce some variety in the stories you share. As always,keep it light...humor wins points:) Step 3 : Write! The finished product deadline will be a couple weeks after we gather the entries. Hopefully that will allow sufficient time without the contest becoming forgotten/mis-remembered/lost in the sauce. Exact deadline TBD. Step 4: Share your entry with OBC-Ramblings, subject line Banzai- For example "Banzai-familytoad" Step 5: The Judges judge... and you win! All entrants will get at minimum some cardboard consolation prizes...I've stocked the dupes box a Major award winners get an autographed book! General rules: No rules on length of the essay, the hope would be that the authors would use at least several paragraphs, maybe three hundred words ormore, but its your story. No special writing skills needed, just write as if you were writing to a friend (you are!) Priority 1 Rule: Have fun, please enter ! Thanks to Rob for his support in this endeavor. And to the judges that I haven't asked yet :) Rob said that he also might be able to post the winners to a website, exactdetails on that to follow. Hope you like it! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: familytoad@comcast.net To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I hope you stay tuned... I have something cooking with Rob that will hopefully be a big hit in OBCworld. The details are forthcoming but in the meantime start honing your writing skills for a neat contest coming soon. Rob, let's get serious about my earlier proposal regarding Banzai. I should have some time this week, the past few weeks have been nutty busy. OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ----- Original Message ----- From: originaleek1@att.net To: malsman250@neo.rr.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,catfish.obc@gmail.com Sent:Wed Mar 7 04:21:58 UTC 2012 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I'm in the process of reading Rob Fitts' latest book Banzai Babe Ruth andI would definitely have that on my list. I think it is a great historical perspective that even non baseball fans would find fascinating. Kudos to Rob! "we keep what we give away!" From: "malsman250@neo.rr.com" To: obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:51:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1 on my list. And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2012 21:11:28 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Content-Language: en i am in the middle of book on major league ball players who bring baseball to the world as POWs Sorry Rob and one on the history of Negroe leagues by a SABR member named Leslie Heaphy In a message dated 3/8/2012 9:50:25 A.M. Central Daylight Time, ochiaifitts@verizon.net writes: Lots of good books on that list but here are some that i think are even better. These are all historical narratives that are fun reads This is off the top of my head from the Nine baseball conference so i may get some of the names wrong Hit them where they aint. Best book on 19th c bb Sadaharu oh zen way of baseball by faulkner The pitch that killed about carl mays Fleetwood walker bio - i forget the name Pitching in the promised land aaron pribble about bb in israel Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 14:30:59 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: 69's are done although the 69 topps set is not as hard of a set to complete as the 61 setthat Glenn posted about completing last week, I have obtained the final cards (mantle and mcgraw) over the weekend and can now consider this set toast. now onto the 68......... be well all John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:17:09 -0700 (PDT) To: John Dahms , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 69's are done Well done, JD!! The 1969 set isn't everybody's favorite, but I've always had a soft spot for it as it was the first year that I seriously started buying cards. I remember finishing off my set in early 1970 when I found some boxes of 7th Series cards in Kresge's at Westland Mall. I think I bought $2 worth of packs, and found everything that I needed to knock it off. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: John Dahms To: OBC ramblings Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 69's are done although the 69 topps set is not as hard of a set to complete as the 61 setthat Glenn posted about completing last week, I have obtained the final cards (mantle and mcgraw) over the weekend and can now consider this set toast. now onto the 68......... be well all John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 15:28:36 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 69's are done ......and of course what I forgot to add (and which lost of you already know) I had to reconstruct that set - thanks, OBC!! - after most of my cards were left in the States after the move to Scotland. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Glenn Codere To: John Dahms ; OBC ramblings Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 69's are done Well done, JD!! The 1969 set isn't everybody's favorite, but I've always had a soft spot for it as it was the first year that I seriously started buying cards. I remember finishing off my set in early 1970 when I found some boxes of 7th Series cards in Kresge's at Westland Mall. I think I bought $2 worth of packs, and found everything that I needed to knock it off. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: John Dahms To: OBC ramblings Sent: Monday, March 12, 2012 9:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 69's are done although the 69 topps set is not as hard of a set to complete as the 61 setthat Glenn posted about completing last week, I have obtained the final cards (mantle and mcgraw) over the weekend and can now consider this set toast. now onto the 68......... be well all John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 01:17:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bill Ashton" Subject: Lost Checklists Hey All, The Webspanner website has been sold. I had two webpages there and now can't access them. Hope nobody else has this problem. I wasn't smart enough to download them periodically so will need to start from scratch. This has happened to most of us, but I wasn't smart enough to learn from it. But next time..................... Bill Ashton ================= Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2012 21:43:37 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tournament - The Sweet 16 Is Set Hi everyone Our favorite sets tournament is now down to just 16 sets. I have been doing rounds every two days for awhile now, but 48 hours from now I'll be frantically working to complete my NCAA brackets and so I am delaying the next round until Thursday evening at 10:00pm Central. There are four matches as follows: Match 49: T206 vs 1954 Topps Match 50: 1934-36 Diamond Stars vs 1963 Topps Match 51: 1957 Topps vs 1964 Topps Match 52: 1959 Topps vs 1941 Play Ball http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney.html http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-2.html I am also reporting the results from the most recently completed matches. The old classics are winning. In fact, the most recent set still fighting is the 1964 Topps set. Results from groups 3 and 4: 1953 Bowman - 31 1961 Post - 5: The first of several one-sided matchups, but this sets up an epic 1953 faceoff. 1953 Topps - 31 1952 Bowman - 5: Topps made it look easy versus Bowman in round two, taking a 10-0 lead and never looking back. They'll have their hands full in round three. Turkey Red - 25 1963 Fleer - 11: Fleer held tight, trailing just 5-4 at one point before the big cabinets slammed the door. 1956 Topps - 25 1971 Topps - 11: The classic '56 set coasted against the black border set today, making easy damage against the condition sensitive favorite which was, incidentally, the last 1970s set remaining in the field. Ironically, the top half of the bracket saw identical final scores among sets facing off in the next round. 1952 Topps - 35 1960 Fleer - 1: The iconic 407 card set called this a statement game. What a statement. A 35-1 rout. The name of the voter who voted for Fleer is being withheld, pending notification of relatives. 1955 Topps - 31 1962 Post - 5: Led by the Clemente, Killebrew, and Koufax rookies, the '55ers became cereal killers in this one. T205 - 19 1967 Topps - 17: The only suspense in this round was this one. The gold-bordered T205 set led most of the way but never comfortably. Every time they opened a lead, the '67ers had an answer. That is until the very end. 1933 Goudey - 23 1962 Topps - 13: Goudey led 11-9 at halftime as the green tints and Babe Ruth special set kept the woodies in the game. The second half was all Goudey and they advance to face one of the few sets in the field that are older than they are. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:20:31 -0700 (PDT) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: Web Site As Grant might say, I tried to log onto my website and there it was, gone! So along with Bill Ashton I'm looking for a new site. For me easy, fast & reliablearetop priorities, cost is low on the list. Suggest away! Earl"we keep what we give away!" ================= To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 07:44:48 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Chicago Show at Rosemont I plan to attend the quarterly show at Rosemont this Saturday. If anyone else is going, let me know. Weekend autograph guests include about every athlete who has ever used a pen - Rose, Ripken, Jabbar, Bobby Hull, Marichal, Frazier, Palmer, Schmidt, Fisk, Morgan, Theisman, Griese, Havlicek, Pippen, Hampton, McMahon, Tyson, Wills, Thomas... George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:48:02 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site I moved over to Google Sites last year. Its free, and although you need to do a little work to get set up in the first place, its easy to edit. If youget stuck, Google Help is there to get you through.It also offers a good selection of templates to get you started. Probably worth a look at least. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: EEK To: OBCRamblings Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site As Grant might say, I tried to log onto my website and there it was, gone! So along with Bill Ashton I'm looking for a new site. For me easy, fast & reliablearetop priorities, cost is low on the list. Suggest away! Earl"we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:51:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show at Rosemont And everyone was happy until Havlicek stole the pen. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: George and Susan Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 12:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show at Rosemont I plan to attend the quarterly show at Rosemont this Saturday. If anyone else is going, let me know. Weekend autograph guests include about every athlete who has ever used a pen =E2=93 Rose, Ripken, Jabbar, Bobby Hull, Marichal, Frazier, Palmer, Schmidt, Fisk, Morgan, Theisman, Griese, Havlicek, Pippen, Hampton, McMahon, Tyson, Wills, Thomas=E2=A6.. George Vrechek ================= To: originaleek1@att.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 08:54:58 -0400 From: "dkrice@nycap.rr.com" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site I've been very happy with Yola as a host site. Free and easy. Hopefully they won't sell out and pull the rug out from under their users! So far, so http://dkrice.yolasite.com/ There's a link at the bottom of every page (the price of being free) that you can follow to set up your own page. DR Original Message: From: EEK originaleek1@att.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:20:31 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site As Grant might say, I tried to log onto my website and there it was, gone! along with Bill Ashton I'm looking for a new site. For me easy, fast & reliablearetop priorities, cost is low on the list. Suggest away! Earl"we keep what we give away!" mail2web LIVE =96 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ================= To: Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 12:15:03 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: "Fuge" update Just spoke to Rick Kimball He is fine but as many of us know "life sometimes gets in the way of our cardboard He says hello to all us OBC geeks and hopes to rejoin when he can ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 14:47:29 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: cubs-tigers tix for those of you who may be interested, the bengals will be at wrigley June 12-14 for a mid-week series. 1st two games are 705 starts, while game 3 is a 120 start. i will be allocating my tickets among my partners this week, and wanted to offer these to anyone who may be interested. tickets are $65 each, and i will need payment up front (sorry, but i got stuck with a bunch of these last time the tiger were in town. only mike rich showed up) if you are interested, please let me know by sunday. "it's the cubs century!" ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:46:11 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Doug DeJong Subject: Things you learn in the dental office Today I was at my dentist's office awaiting my turn mindlessly watching trivia questions on a monitor. One caught my eye that I got wrong: Who was the last switch-hitter to win the American League MVP award? Here's hoping I wasn't the only one who guessed incorrectly .... It was Vida Blue. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 16:33:30 -0700 (PDT) To: originaleek1@att.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, dkrice@nycap.rr.com From: John Stamper Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site I use Yola as well and it is a very user friendly site. John Stamper http://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ --- On Tue, 3/13/12, dkrice@nycap.rr.com wrote: From: dkrice@nycap.rr.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site To: originaleek1@att.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, March 13, 2012, 5:54 AM I've been very happy with Yola as a host site. Free and easy. Hopefully they won't sell out and pull the rug out from under their users! So far, so http://dkrice.yolasite.com/ There's a link at the bottom of every page (the price of being free) that you can follow to set up your own page. DR Original Message: From: EEK originaleek1@att.net Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 05:20:31 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site As Grant might say, I tried to log onto my website and there it was, gone! along with Bill Ashton I'm looking for a new site. For me easy, fast & reliablearetop priorities, cost is low on the list. Suggest away! Earl"we keep what we give away!" mail2web LIVE =E2=93 Free email based on Microsoft=AE Exchange technology http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 17:18:24 -0700 (PDT) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: WebSite dilemma Thanks to those who offered suggestions for a new Website.Perhaps I may not need one after all, althoughI won't hold my breath.Just got an email from folks that took overWebspawner apologizing for our web pages disappearing assured us that we will be back up soon with an even better web builder. We'll Good night Chet! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:32:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken" Subject: Web Page Problems Hey guys like a few others my web page is down and I don't have a hard copyback up, except for a few sets that are getting down to the final few numbers. So I thought I would send them out to see if I could find a hero or two. Any help would be appreciated. Ken Pillion 45 Perciful St Mt Vernon KY 40456 1955 Topps 164 Clemente, 167, 181, 189 Rizzuto, 194 Mays, 195, 197, and 210Snider 1965 Topps Embossed 1 5 8 11 13 19 23 28 33 46 52 56 69 72 1967 Topps Pin Ups 3 6 18 1968 Topps 355 Banks, 410 Jenkins, 462, 488, 490 Super Stars, 497 Cards team, 501, 505, 523. 1973 Kellogg's 16 Ryan, 27 Fisk 1980 Kellogg's 1 2 9 24 26 32 44 53 60. ================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 01:41:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Web Page Problems Hi Guys, I have been reading in the past few days about problems with web pages disappearing and I thought to myself that I wouldn't want that to happen to me so I came up with this idea. If everyone in OBC would send me everything that's on my wantlist, then it wouldn't matter if it went away because therewould be no need for a wantlist. Makes sense to me. Rich Niessen ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:50:09 -0700 (PDT) To: Richard , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems Rich, if everyone in OBC sent you everything that's on your list you would end up withover a hundred dupes ofeverything that's on your list. "we keep what we give away!" From: Richard To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, March 13, 2012 9:41:37 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems Hi Guys, I have been reading in the past few days about problems with web pages disappearing and I thought to myself that I wouldn't want that to happen tome so I came up with this idea. If everyone in OBC would send me everything that's on my wantlist, then it wouldn't matter if it went away because there wouldbe no need for a wantlist. Makes sense to me. Rich Niessen ================= Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 18:51:01 -0700 (PDT) To: ran912@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems The old-timers will remember that "back-in-the-day" we used to actually send out our wantlists on the 10th (A-L) and the 25th (M-Z). We would all dutifully print them out, put them in our binder, and head off to the local Holiday Inn show on the weekend. Of course, we were all trying to find that magic card on Jim Montgomery's list, but that never happened...you could never pay back a JAMO puffy! Can you imagine printing them out now? Or finding a decent show? Good memories! Take Care, On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:41 PM CDT Richard wrote: >Hi Guys, >I have been reading in the past few days about problems with web pages disappearing and I thought to myself that I wouldn't want that to happen to me so I came up with this idea. If everyone in OBC would send me everything that's on my wantlist, then it wouldn't matter if it went away because there would be no need for a wantlist. Makes sense to me. >Rich Niessen ================= To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2012 22:09:03 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show at Rosemont I will NOT be attending this one, as I am going to spring training in Florida for a couple days. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: George and Susan Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:44 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show at Rosemont I plan to attend the quarterly show at Rosemont this Saturday. If anyone else is going, let me know. Weekend autograph guests include about every athlete who has ever used a pen =E2=93 Rose, Ripken, Jabbar, Bobby Hull, Marichal, Frazier, Palmer, Schmidt, Fisk, Morgan, Theisman, Griese, Havlicek, Pippen, Hampton, McMahon, Tyson, Wills, Thomas=E2=A6.. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 04:28:11 +0000 (UTC) To: From: Subject: Arizona Spring Training march 24-27 Any OBCers going to be at Spring training later this month? I will be setup in Scottsdale, 4 day, 3 night trip where we'll see 4 games in 4 different parks! If you are gonna be there, I'd love to shake yer paw! OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 07:46:10 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Play Ball & Bowman mix on eBay Hi all, Spied this group of WWII-bookend cards on a search this morning. $20 opening bid. http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-Playball-cards-1-Bowman-Gum-/260978600762?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item3cc3896b3a#ht_500wt_1225 ================= To: Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 09:40:14 -0400 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: SD, La Jolla OBCers?? Hi all, Off to La Jolla / San Diego for a whole week today. Will have some free time to meet anyone out there. If you let me know in the next 5 hours it would be great (I.e. so I can grab a couple cards to bring along!!) Will have the corporate card if you need an incentive.. ================= To: "OBCRamblings" , "EEK" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:02:11 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] WebSite dilemma NOW I SEE what you were talking about. I hadn't tried to access my webspawner pages in a few days and mine also are down. I can remember them going downa time or two in the past 14 years but at most for a couple of days. On Tue 13/03/12 8:18 PM , EEK originaleek1@att.net sent: > Thanks to those who offered suggestions for a new Website. Perhaps > I may not need one after all, although I won't hold my breath. Just > got an email from the folks that took over Webspawner apologizing for > our web pages disappearing and assured us that we will be back up soon > with an even better web builder. We'll see. > Good night Chet! "we keep what we give away!" > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxYmdycnR1BF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIzMzgxBHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4NDMwNQ--?actreply&messageNum23381[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlOWdlbzFoBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4NDMwNQ--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/23381;_ylcX3oDMTM2NTds > MXF1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > zMzgxBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4NDMwNQR0cGNJZAMyMzM4MQ--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlYjVuYTZkBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4NDMwNQ--[7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkYXNvOGtnBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzMxNjg0MzA1[11] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: , , "Geno Wagner" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 10:17:12 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems I remember sending Jim a not very nice Old Judge from his list, and I'm sure chuckled when he opened the package. Still have the personalized OBC bat that sent everyone way back when. That's been a few years. On Tue 13/03/12 9:51 PM , Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com sent: > The old-timers will remember that "back-in-the-day" we used to > actually send out our wantlists on the 10th (A-L) and the 25th (M-Z). > We would all dutifully print them out, put them in our binder, and > head off to the local Holiday Inn show on the weekend. Of course, we > were all trying to find that magic card on Jim Montgomery's list, but > that never happened...you could never pay back a JAMO puffy! Can you > imagine printing them out now? Or finding a decent show? Good > memories! > Take Care, > Geno > ------------------------------ > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:41 PM CDT Richard wrote: > >Hi Guys, > > > >I have been reading in the past few days about problems with web > pages disappearing and I thought to myself that I wouldn't want that > to happen to me so I came up with this idea. If everyone in OBC > would send me everything that's on my wantlist, then it wouldn't > matter if it went away because there would be no need for a wantlist. > Makes sense to me. > > > >Rich Niessen > > > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxNGZqNmFkBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIzMzg1BHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2Mw--?actreply&messageNum23385[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlcjE1MHVqBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2Mw--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/23382;_ylcX3oDMTM2YjY2 > cmxhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > zMzg1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2MwR0cGNJZAMyMzM4Mg--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlM25hMzVtBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2Mw--[7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkb2ZkanZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzMxNjg5ODYz[11] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 14:54:10 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems Nahhh.....that bat came straight from Stan Hack!! Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , "Glenn Codere" Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 18:16:59 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems My bad. Always thought it came from Jim. On Wed 14/03/12 5:54 PM , Glenn Codere glenncodere@yahoo.com sent: > Nahhh.....that bat came straight from Stan Hack!! > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android > ------------------------- > FROM: obcjohn@knology.net ; > TO: ; ; Geno Wagner ; > SUBJECT: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Page Problems > SENT: Wed, Mar 14, 2012 2:17:12 PM > Geno, > I remember sending Jim a not very nice Old Judge from his list, and > I'm sure he > chuckled when he opened the package. Still have the personalized OBC > bat that he > sent everyone way back when. That's been a few years. > Bama > On Tue 13/03/12 9:51 PM , Geno Wagner illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > sent: > > The old-timers will remember that "back-in-the-day" we used to > > actually send out our wantlists on the 10th (A-L) and the 25th > (M-Z). > > We would all dutifully print them out, put them in our binder, and > > head off to the local Holiday Inn show on the weekend. Of course, > we > > were all trying to find that magic card on Jim Montgomery's > list, but > > that never happened...you could never pay back a JAMO puffy! Can > you > > imagine printing them out now? Or finding a decent show? Good > > memories! > > Take Care, > > Geno > > ------------------------------ > > On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 8:41 PM CDT Richard wrote: > > >Hi Guys, > > > > > >I have been reading in the past few days about problems with web > > pages disappearing and I thought to myself that I wouldn't > want that > > to happen to me so I came up with this idea. If everyone in OBC > > would send me everything that's on my wantlist, then it > wouldn't > > matter if it went away because there would be no need for a > wantlist. > > Makes sense to me. > > > > > >Rich Niessen > > > > > > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [3] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxNGZqNmFkBF9TA > > > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIzMzg1BHNl > > > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2Mw--?actreply&messageNum23385[4] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlcjE1MHVqBF9TA > > > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2Mw--[5] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/23382;_ylcX3oDMTM2YjY2 > > > cmxhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > > > zMzg1BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2MwR0cGNJZAMyMzM4Mg--[6] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlM25hMzVtBF9TAzk3Mz > > > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > > 3RpbWUDMTMzMTY4OTg2Mw--[7] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkb2ZkanZkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyM > > > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzMxNjg5ODYz > [11]http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxZDlsMGpyBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIzMzkyBHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2MjA1Mg--?actreply&messageNum23392[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlN2VvYmI0BF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2MjA1Mg--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/23382;_ylcX3oDMTM2bXFy > MXZlBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > zMzkyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2MjA1MgR0cGNJZAMyMzM4Mg--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJldnFwZHAwBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTMzMTc2MjA1Mg--[7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkMmw0bG84BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzMxNzYyMDUy[11] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= To: "Brian Lindholme" , Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 22:31:37 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Thanks to all who have signed up to write. I'm excited to run this contest and to read your offerings! The good news is that your odds are quite good to win a prize at this point. I'll use tonight's message to try to drum up business and get more contestants or even another couple judges if you want to participate that way. In further exciting news...the THEMES ARE AVAILABLE!!! I'll send out the randomly assigned themes to each of the writers individually but below you will see what they are. Some writers will get the same theme, some themes may "stick to the bottom of the hat" it all depends on theluck of the draw. YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SIGN UP, BUT TOMORROW IS THE LASTDAY. The actual entry will be due by April Fool's Day ("How appropriate" one writer No late entries please. Without further ADO, here are the themes to get your Pulitzer Prize Fighterblood 1. Your earliest baseball card that you still have in your collection. Or which of your earliest cards inspired you to become a collector. 2. The first baseball game you attended or the first game you took a son/daughter/nephew etc to. Describe the experience in detail.(Can sub another sport if needed) 3. First OBC experience, either through first puffy received or first OBC member you meant.Full details on who/what/when. Names can be changed to protect the innocent. 4. Descriptive Baseball Card Prose using as many OBC slang terms as you canin your essay. 5. What your baseball card collection would consist of if you had 250K to spend in the coming months. 6. With as much humor as possible, try explaining to a visiting Alien from another planet that you collect cardboard pictures of old men. 7. Full critique of the Topps set designs from 1952 through 1979. Alternatively, choose individual cards to critique ala "the Great American Card Flipping/Trading Book "(Tonque in cheek descriptions encouraged) 8. Predict the Future of baseball card collecting and compare/contrast withcollecting when you were a kid. 9. Wild card theme. U PICK IT, U WRITE IT. Any questions ? OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK ; familytoad@comcast.net Cc: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? OBC World, I'm not sure if my note below was an effective teaser, but I want to announce the beginning of a new and hopefully fun contest! It'll be easy to enter, and pretty easy to win. The contest will be a writing contest, the entries will be judged by a panel of experts (otherwise known as mystery OBCers) I've purchased 6 of Rob Fitts' awesome new book "Banzai Babe Ruth: Baseball, Espionage, and Assassination during the 1934 Tour of Japan" http://www.amazon.com/Banzai-Babe-Ruth-Espionage-Assassination/dp/0803229844 These will serve as the grand prizes and will be autographed by our esteemed pal ,OBC member and award winning author Robert K. Fitts hisself. Here's all that you have to do: Step 1: To enter the contest, you have to email me with your intentions in the next 4 days. (You do NOT have to have your story finished) but your essay will only count if you have "entered" by the deadline. Thursday March 15th is the last day to enter. Step 2 : I have randomized topics/themes that I will assign you to write about. (The time tested randomization method of the paper/scissors/hat will be employed) You will receive your topic/theme shortly after you email me your entry. Themes will be mostly baseball, favorite baseball cards, baseball with kids, OBC experiences,sports games, family and a lot of overlapping subjects like that...this is designed to produce some variety in the stories you share.As always,keep it light...humor wins points:) Step 3 : Write! The finished product deadline will be a couple weeks after we gather the entries. Hopefully that will allow sufficient time without the contest becoming forgotten/mis-remembered/lost in the sauce. Exact deadline TBD. Step 4: Share your entry with OBC-Ramblings, subject line Banzai- For example "Banzai-familytoad" Step 5: The Judges judge... and you win! All entrants will get at minimumsome cardboard consolation prizes...I've stocked the dupes box a Major award winners get an autographed book! General rules: No rules on length of the essay, the hope would be that the authors would use at least several paragraphs, maybe three hundred words or more, but its your story. No special writing skills needed, just write as if you were writing to a friend (you are!) Priority 1 Rule: Have fun, please enter ! Thanks to Rob for his support in this endeavor. And to the judges that I haven't asked yet :) Rob said that he also might be able to post the winners to a website, exact details on that to follow. Hope you like it! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: familytoad@comcast.net To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I hope you stay tuned... I have something cooking with Rob that will hopefully be a big hit in OBC world. The details are forthcoming but in the meantime start honing yourwriting skills for a neat contest coming soon. Rob, let's get serious about my earlier proposal regarding Banzai. I should have some time this week, the past few weeks have been nutty busy. OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ----- Original Message ----- From: originaleek1@att.net To: malsman250@neo.rr.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,catfish.obc@gmail.com Sent:Wed Mar 7 04:21:58 UTC 2012 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I'm in the process of reading Rob Fitts' latest book Banzai Babe Ruth and I would definitely have that on my list. I think it is a great historical perspective that even non baseball fans would find fascinating. Kudos to Rob! "we keep what we give away!" From: "malsman250@neo.rr.com" To: obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:51:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1on my list. And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 16:37:54 +0000 (UTC) To: George and Susan Vrechek From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show at Rosemont George and all attending, Iwill not be at the usual Saturday get together. H igh School softball is underway, and w e have practice until 1. Sunday is a maybe, though doubtful as well. Sorry.Tell Uncle Dick and JD I said hello. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "George and Susan Vrechek" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2012 7:44:48 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Show at Rosemont I plan to attend the quarterly show at Rosemont this Saturday. If anyone else is going, let me know. Weekend autograph guests include about every athlete who has ever used a pen =E2=93 Rose, Ripken, Jabbar, Bobby Hull, Marichal, Frazier, Palmer, Schmidt, Fisk, Morgan, Theisman, Griese, Havlicek, Pippen, Hampton, McMahon, Tyson, Wills, Thomas=E2=A6.. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 17:55:30 -0400 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: Rob Fitts on NPR this Saturday This Saturday, I'll be Bill Littlefield's guest on NPR's Only a Game. I'llbe talking about my book Banzai Babe Ruth. Please tune in if you are interested. Local stations and times can be found on his web site http://onlyagame.wbur.org/ Rob Fitts Murder, Espionage & Baseball ================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 00:49:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bill Ashton" Subject: WebSpawner is up I was able to access my checklists and copy them. Bill Ashton ================= Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 21:30:38 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tournament Marches On Hi everyone OK =E2=93 we=E2=99re now down to the final dozen sets. Voting is nowopen for round three in groups three and four. Polls will remain open until 10:00pm on Saturday. Those matches are: Match 53: 1953 Bowman vs 1953 Topps Match 54: T3 Turkey Red vs 1956 Topps Match 55: 1952 Topps vs 1955 Topps Match 56: T205 vs 1933 Goudey http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-3.html http://macknife13.weebly.com/favorite-sets-tourney-group-4.html And now =E2=93 the results of the round three from groups 1 and 2: Match 49: T206 =E2=93 19 1954 Topps =E2=93 18: This may have beenthe match of the tournament so far, as these two sets went back and forth. 1954 jumped to a4-2 lead before a run of Sweet Caporal and Polar Bear backs put the T206 set up9-6. Undaunted, the Banks, Kaline, and Aaron rookies hit consecutive jumpers toput the =E2=9954 set up 12-9. After the tobacco gang tied the match at 15-15 things got interesting. The set that begins and ends with the Splendid Splinter picked the next three votes and seemed to have the match in hand. However the final four votes went for T206, with Honus Wagner scoring the final vote. They don=E2=99t get any better than this. Match 50: 1934-36 Diamond Stars =E2=93 22 1963 Topps =E2=93 14: =E2=9CEarnie=E2=9D variation keyed an opening spurt that gave the Diamond Stars an early 8-3 lead and the blue and green ink back set never looked back. This guarantees that pre-war set will reach the final four. Match 51: 1957 Topps =E2=93 29 1964 Topps =E2=93 8: This one wasnever in doubt once the Drysdale, and the Robinson rookies (Frank and Brooks) got going early. It was 18-2 before we knew it and the =E257ers coasted from there. Match 52: 1941 Play Ball =E2=93 22 1959 Topps =E2=93 15: Pee WeeReese=E2=99s rookie card helped spark the Play Ballers to a 5-0 lead and the pre-war set was in control early. Although the outcome was never in doubt after that, the =E2=9959ers give up but stayed between five and ten down throughout. ================= To: "Brian Lindholme" , Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2012 23:02:22 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? OBC World, Be sure to listen to Rob's NPR interview about the Banzai Babe Ruth book. He sent a link in an earlier email this evening!! It should inspire all of the writers in this group...most importantly thosewho signed up for the writing contest to win one of his autographed books! Earlier tonight I sent individual emails to each of the contestants with the themes they drew from my hat. In a one-time, never to be repeated offer...I've conferred with the judges and we will still accept more entries if you get them in before this weekend. The actual deadline to produce your finished essay will not change ...you still need to have your work completed by April Fool's Day or you won't be able to win a prize. If anyone out there was on the fence about entering, but failed to notify me by now....last chance!! Exciting stuff... OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: Brian Lindholme ; obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:31 PM Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Thanks to all who have signed up to write. I'm excited to run this contest and to read your offerings! The good news is that your odds are quite good to win a prize at this point. I'll use tonight's message to try to drum up business and get more contestants or even another couple judges if you want to participate that way. In further exciting news...the THEMES ARE AVAILABLE!!! I'll send out the randomly assigned themes to each of the writers individually but below you will see what they are. Some writers will get the same theme, some themes may "stick to the bottom of the hat" it all depends on the luck of the draw. YOU STILL HAVE TIME TO SIGN UP, BUT TOMORROW IS THE LAST The actual entry will be due by April Fool's Day ("How appropriate" one writer No late entries please. Without further ADO, here are the themes to get your Pulitzer Prize Fighter blood flowing: 1. Your earliest baseball card that you still have in your collection. Orwhich of your earliest cards inspired you to become a collector. 2. The first baseball game you attended or the first game you took a son/daughter/nephew etc to. Describe the experience in detail.(Can sub another sport if needed) 3. First OBC experience, either through first puffy received or first OBCmember you meant.Full details on who/what/when. Names can be changed to protect the innocent. 4. Descriptive Baseball Card Prose using as many OBC slang terms as you can in your essay. 5. What your baseball card collection would consist of if you had 250K tospend in the coming months. 6. With as much humor as possible, try explaining to a visiting Alien from another planet that you collect cardboard pictures of old men. 7. Full critique of the Topps set designs from 1952 through 1979. Alternatively, choose individual cards to critique ala "the Great American Card Flipping/Trading Book "(Tonque in cheek descriptions encouraged) 8. Predict the Future of baseball card collecting and compare/contrast with collecting when you were a kid. 9. Wild card theme. U PICK IT, U WRITE IT. Any questions ? OBC Forever, ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK ; familytoad@comcast.net Cc: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? OBC World, I'm not sure if my note below was an effective teaser, but I want to announce the beginning of a new and hopefully fun contest! It'll be easy to enter, and pretty easy to win. The contest will be a writing contest, the entries will be judged by a panel of experts (otherwise known as mystery OBCers) I've purchased 6 of Rob Fitts' awesome new book "Banzai Babe Ruth: Baseball, Espionage, and Assassination during the 1934 Tour of Japan" http://www.amazon.com/Banzai-Babe-Ruth-Espionage-Assassination/dp/0803229844 These will serve as the grand prizes and will be autographed by our esteemed pal ,OBC member and award winning author Robert K. Fitts hisself. Here's all that you have to do: Step 1: To enter the contest, you have to email me with your intentionsin the next 4 days. (You do NOT have to have your story finished) but youressay will only count if you have "entered" by the deadline. Thursday March 15th is the last day to enter. Step 2 : I have randomized topics/themes that I will assign you to write (The time tested randomization method of the paper/scissors/hat will beemployed) You will receive your topic/theme shortly after you email me your entry. Themes will be mostly baseball, favorite baseball cards, baseball with kids, OBC experiences,sports games, family and a lot of overlapping subjects that...this is designed to produce some variety in the stories you share. As always,keep it light...humor wins points:) Step 3 : Write! The finished product deadline will be a couple weeks after we gather the entries. Hopefully that will allow sufficient time without the contest becoming forgotten/mis-remembered/lost in the sauce. Exact deadline TBD. Step 4: Share your entry with OBC-Ramblings, subject line Banzai- For example "Banzai-familytoad" Step 5: The Judges judge... and you win! All entrants will get at minimum some cardboard consolation prizes...I've stocked the dupes box a Major award winners get an autographed book! General rules: No rules on length of the essay, the hope would be that the authors would use at least several paragraphs, maybe three hundred words or more, but its your story. No special writing skills needed, just writeas if you were writing to a friend (you are!) Priority 1 Rule: Have fun, please enter ! Thanks to Rob for his support in this endeavor. And to the judges that I haven't asked yet :) Rob said that he also might be able to post the winners to a website, exact details on that to follow. Hope you like it! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: familytoad@comcast.net To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I hope you stay tuned... I have something cooking with Rob that will hopefully be a big hit inOBC world. The details are forthcoming but in the meantime start honing your writing skills for a neat contest coming soon. Rob, let's get serious about my earlier proposal regarding Banzai. I should have some time this week, the past few weeks have been nutty busy. OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ----- Original Message ----- From: originaleek1@att.net To: malsman250@neo.rr.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,catfish.obc@gmail.com Sent:Wed Mar 7 04:21:58 UTC 2012 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I'm in the process of reading Rob Fitts' latest book Banzai Babe Ruthand I would definitely have that on my list. I think it is a great historical perspective that even non baseball fans would find fascinating. Kudos to "we keep what we give away!" From: "malsman250@neo.rr.com" To: obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:51:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1 on my list. And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 13:59:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob" Subject: Father Pat and collection featured in article Hi gang, Our fellow OBC trader Father Pat Wattigny was featured in a New Orleans area blog about his collection yesterday at http://blog.nola.com/eastjefferson/2012/03/st_benilde_pastor_is_passionat.html It was picked up by the national collecting media at Sports Collectors Daily, at http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/cards-are-louisiana-pastors-hobby/ Nice read! Have a look. ================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:39:56 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings From: Don Rice Subject: 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet, Venezuelan... I picked up a small stack of 1966 Topps recently, and I noticed a few cards looked a little different than the others. The card stock was flatter, with no natural curl. The fronts were somewhat toned, with a manilla hue. The backs were brighter red, and the cardboard a little coarser. On further inspection, I found all four cards like this were Mets. I thought they might be OPC, but they are not printed in Canada. Comparing the cards to those in my collection, they are nearly identical, EXCEPT that two have no "Printed in USA" inscriptions (two cards do have that notation). I've attached scans of one example, next to a regular card. Any ideas? Was there a Mets-only regional issue in 1966? Or did I luck out and come up with few Mets culled from the Venezuelan issue (there is no Spanish on any of the cards). My vote is Venezuelan.
I have 35-Swoboda, 191-Sutherland, 328-Grote, and 360-Hunt.
Thanks, Don
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================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:53:50 -0400 To: Don Rice , obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet, Hi Don, Yes, you've got Venezuelans. The dark salmon color and rougher fronts are the giveaway. Congrats, those look nice! On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Don Rice wrote: > ** > [Attachment(s) <#1361bf47032960f2_TopText> from Don Rice included below] > I picked up a small stack of 1966 Topps recently, and I noticed a few > cards looked a little different than the others. The card stock was > flatter, with no natural curl. The fronts were somewhat toned, with a > manilla hue. The backs were brighter red, and the cardboard a little > coarser. On further inspection, I found all four cards like this were Mets. > I thought they might be OPC, but they are not printed in Canada. Comparing > the cards to those in my collection, they are nearly identical, EXCEPT that > two have no "Printed in USA" inscriptions (two cards do have that > notation). I've attached scans of one example, next to a regular card. Any > ideas? Was there a Mets-only regional issue in 1966? Or did I luck out and > come up with few Mets culled from the Venezuelan issue (there is no Spanish > on any of the cards). My vote is Venezuelan. > I have 35-Swoboda, 191-Sutherland, 328-Grote, and 360-Hunt. > Thanks, Don > [image: 1] > [image: 2] ================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:10:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: Father Pat and collection featured in article Padre Pat's a celeb! Great article (well, except for the reporter's typo of"Eddie --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" wrote: > Hi gang, > Our fellow OBC trader Father Pat Wattigny was featured in a New Orleans area blog about his collection yesterday at > http://blog.nola.com/eastjefferson/2012/03/st_benilde_pastor_is_passionat.html > It was picked up by the national collecting media at Sports Collectors Daily, at http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/cards-are-louisiana-pastors-hobby/ > Nice read! Have a look. > Bob ================= To: , Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 10:17:06 -0500 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Father Pat and collection featured in Wow, made the national press too? I hope y'all enjoyed the good plug for OBC! Y'all are a very integral part of my collection, and friends to me as well....so once again, I say thanks to you for all the cards over the last 9 1/2 years! Fr. Pat To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: directorth@aol.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 15:10:38 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Father Pat and collection featured in article Padre Pat's a celeb! Great article (well, except for the reporter's typo of "Eddie Spanky"). --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Bob" wrote: > Hi gang, > Our fellow OBC trader Father Pat Wattigny was featured in a New Orleans area blog about his collection yesterday at > http://blog.nola.com/eastjefferson/2012/03/st_benilde_pastor_is_passionat.html > It was picked up by the national collecting media at Sports Collectors Daily, at http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/cards-are-louisiana-pastors-hobby/ > Nice read! Have a look. > Bob ================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 08:59:10 -0700 (PDT) To: Bob , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father Pat and collection featured in article Very cool Bob,Thanks much for the heads up! "we keep what we give away!" From: Bob To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, March 16, 2012 9:59:39 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Father Pat and collection featured in article Hi gang, Our fellow OBC trader Father Pat Wattigny was featured in a New Orleans area blog about his collection yesterday at http://blog.nola.com/eastjefferson/2012/03/st_benilde_pastor_is_passionat.html It was picked up by the national collecting media at Sports Collectors Daily, http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/cards-are-louisiana-pastors-hobby/ Nice read! Have a look. ================= Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:11:56 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: new member of the family just wanted to share that a new member of out family arrived a couple of days ago, brooklyn belle, joined us, all 20 inches, 8lbs 6oz. her dad is ayankee fan but I can't help but call her dodger...he doesn't even have a clue. mom and baby are both home and doing great. be well all and be well OBC John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 10:29:30 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: advice on cracking open a graded card I got a graded 69 mantle to finish off that set, now to crack it open. never done this, any advice on a good way? thanks in advance John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:34:47 +0000 (UTC) To: John Dahms From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Vct] advice on cracking open a graded card Hi John, You need pliers and a screwdriver. Clip off a corner up by the label of the graded holder with the pliers, use the screwdriverto pry open the holder to release the card from its plastic tomb. GOOD LUCK GRASSHOPPER!! BTW - there is a Redford show tomorrow - are you planning on going? REGARDS -------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dahms" To: "OBC ramblings" , Vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:29:30 PM Subject: [Vct] advice on cracking open a graded card I got a graded 69 mantle to finish off that set, now to crack it open. never done this, any advice on a good way? thanks in advance John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 18:48:26 -0700 (PDT) To: talbot1@comcast.net, jd3681@yahoo.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [Vct] advice on cracking open a graded card Try soaking it... Take Care, On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 5:34 PM CDT talbot1@comcast.net wrote: >Hi John, >You need pliers and a screwdriver. Clip off a corner up by thelabel of the graded holder with the pliers, use the screwdriver to pry open the holder to release the card from its plastic tomb. GOOD LUCK GRASSHOPPER!! BTW - there is a Redford show tomorrow - are you planning on going? >REGARDS -------------- MARK >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John Dahms" >To: "OBC ramblings" , Vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com >Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2012 1:29:30 PM >Subject: [Vct] advice on cracking open a graded card >I got a graded 69 mantle to finish off that set, now to crack it open. never done this, any advice on a good way? >thanks in advance >John Dahms >3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 >Jackson, MI >-- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com >-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! >-- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2012 22:20:35 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Tournament - Final Eight Hi everyone March Madness moves on as we are down to the Elite Eight sets. Four more matches concluded this evening, but first I want to announce that the polls are now open for two of our quarterfinal matches. Voting for these battles ends Monday evening at 10pm Central. Which sets will advance to the Final Four? Match 57 - T206 vs 1934-36 Diamond Stars Match 58 - 1957 Topps vs 1941 Play Ball And now, the results from the matches that ended this evening. Match 53 - 1953 Bowman - 19 1953 Topps - 18 (OT) Last time I announced that the T206 vs 1954 Topps battle may have been the match of the tournament. I think that one may have been surpassed. This one went back and forth and wound up in overtime, meaning that I got to cast the deciding vote. The '53 Bowmans have always been one of my favorites with its vibrant color photos, and thus the Bowmans move on. A few of you noted the irony of match 53 pitting two 1953 sets - that was pure coincidence. I did not even notice until it was pointed out to me. Match 54 - 1956 Topps - 24 T3 Turkey Reds - 12 This match-up, as one voter put it, pitted a famous big-big card against the last of the big cards. It was tight early on as the Turkey Reds were tied at 6-6 at one point before the horizontal set opened it up and pulled away. Gray back or white back, the '56ers are moving on. Match 55 - 1952 Topps - 26 1955 Topps - 10 Though never in serious doubt, this match was 8-5 in favor of Topps' first major set, but soon the highly sought after #1 Andy Pafko and set ender Eddie Mathews led a spurt that pulled the '52 gang comfortably ahead. Moving on. Match 56 - 1933 Goudey - 23 T205 - 13 No pot of gold at the end of this match as the gold-bordered tobacco card's run ended this evening at the hands of Big League Chewing Gum's finest. Even without Nap Lajoie, still on the sidelines, the Goudey gang got support from four Babe Ruth's and #1 Benny Bengough (who may be best remembered for that than for playing on the '27 Yankees) and pulled away. Hope you've all enjoyed this so far. Looking to wrap the tournament up by Sunday night, March 25. ================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:02:11 -0700 (PDT) To: dugout traders , From: John Dahms Subject: 1970 topps football semi stars ATT hello all, I recently received some star cards from my good buddy Mike Keleman, he told me to use them as trade bait. So I am going to list them in hopes I might be able to get some trades going on a couple of my vintage football available for trade--1(len dawson) 7(gino cappelletti) 44(jack snow) 45(mel renfro) 62(john mackey) 68(jack pardee) 85(fred biletnikoff) 88(earl morrall) 90(oj simpson) 100(roman gabriel) 115(norm snead) 116(jim otto) 130(john brodie) 177(jim hart) 1969 Topps football 25 John Unitas 80 Checklist 1-132 139 Dick Butkus 144 161 Bob Griese 201 254 1970 topps football 163(Doug Buffone) 180(Johnny U) 261(Willie Wood) thanks for the read and have a great day.......GO SPARTANS!!! John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 12:54:34 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: big time thanks to mark Talbot and a short ramble went toa monthly card show today (well it is put on every month, I go about every 3rd month cuz its an hour drive)...and met, and met up with Mark Talbot. Mark emailed me last nite and asked if I was attending and said he would go just cuz....very nice indeed. and I am glad he did, Mark gave me the "I have cards for you handshake in the form of 3 star cards for my 68 set, a couple for the 67 set, some for the 66 and 65 sets as well. Mark and I had a lot of fun talking about kids and grandkids, looking thru Mike Sandles boxes of cards....it was a very enjoyable afternoon. had a great time at the show, found some very nice additions for my 71 and 72 sets to get those closer, finally met up with Mark....very good day. thanks to you Mark, nice meeting you and we will have to do it again in thenear be well all John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2012 15:57:41 -0700 (PDT) To: dugout traders , From: John Dahms Subject: 1971 Harmon Kilebrew #550 ATT hello all, for some reason I picked up two of these at todays show......i have one that is in about VG or better shape available. plmk and thanks John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 07:49:59 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Availables: 1976 OPC / Topps, 1977 Topps Grabbed a slice from the dupes box. FCFS! 1976 Topps: 343 Traynor 1976 OPC: 196 AL RBI leaders 270 Stargell 342 Hornsby 343 Traynor 348 Cochrane 350 Grove 1977 Topps: 70 Bench 120 Carew 170 Munson 463 ================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 15:47:34 -0700 (PDT) To: dugout traders , From: John Dahms Subject: 1970 topps O J Simpson card ATT hello all, tried this yesterday and got no responses, thought it mite be because I put my short wantlist of football on here... I am open to any offers for this and the other football I posted available from yesterday. let me know and have a good day John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 17:54:11 -0700 (PDT) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , From: Watts Edward Subject: 1972 T Nosebleeds to trade Hi Everyone, I just got a batch of 1972 T high numbers and some dupes came along with it. I was wondering if anyone wanted to work a trade of nosebleeds for other My needs are: 550, 560, 567,658, 661, 662, 663, 665, 668, 671, 676, 679, 680, 684, 685, 686, 688, 690, 691, 696, 697, 698, 699, 700, 701, 703, 704, 709, 711, 712, 713, 721, 722, 723, 724, 729, 730, 731, 736, 737, 745, 749, 750, 751, 752, 753, 754, 755, 757, 760, 761, 762, 767, 771, 777, 778, 779, 781, 784. My hi and semi-hi dupes are: 546, 547, 566, 645, 647, 656, 689, 692, 693, 710, 717, 743, 744, 758, 765, 772, 773, 774 (I also have a bunch more lower numbered cards from 72 if people have needsthere). The hi's range from OBC specials to some as high as excellent. Personally, I don't particularly care about what condition comes back as long as thebinder gets filled. Ed Watts ================= Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2012 20:53:39 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets - Two Final Four Tickets Punched, Two More To Go Hi all Voting was lighter than usual but the results were decisive (see below). I'm expecting an epic battle in Match 59. Balloting is open for matches 59 and 60 until Wednesday evening, 10:00 central. Match 59: 1953 Bowman vs 1956 Topps Match 60: 1952 Topps vs 1933 Goudey Results just completed: Match 57: T206 - 20 1934-36 Diamond Stars - 7: An 11-0 run fueled by Southern Leaguers and the Magie error broke open a close match and sparked big tobacco to an easy win over National Chicle. Match 58: 1957 Topps - 20 1941 Play Ball - 7: Much like we saw in the opener of our doubleheader, it took one decisive run. A trick play, a reverse-imaged Aaron, fooled Gum Inc's star set. Soon a deadlocked 4-4 match was a 14-4 gap and from there the coach emptied the bench and let the contest cards get some playing time. Place your votes now for the two other semifinals. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 12:22:24 -0400 (EDT) From: FIREMAN Subject: sad news This is VERY sad news, I too had the pleasure of meeting Terry and his family when they came through NYC. We spent the night in Times Square and had afew drinks at the ESPN Zone. We had a great night and I will greatly miss Terry. I am very sad to hear of this almost a year later. Rob Gioia -----Original Message----- From: cardclctor To: obc-announcements Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:23 am Subject: [OBC-Announcements] Terry Dietrick sad news Got this message on Facebook this morning: "Jennifer Dietrick Mask Hi Ken I am Terry's daughter. I wanted to let you know that Dad lost his battle with cancer in May. We wanted to reach his OBC friends but couldn't get into his facebook acct. I am sorry if you hadn't heard." I had the pleasure of meeting up with Terry on a few occasions including a couple visits up this way. The last time being a visit with his son, who had a doctor's appointment a few years ago at one of the Boston hospitals to see a specialist regarding his diabetes. They stayed here a night and treated me to breakfast before spending most of the day at the hospital. I checked back and found out that he went inactive around 2010 and only now realized probably why. I wish I had found out sooner, as it's been almost a year since his passing. He will be missed, Ken M ================= To: , "FIREMAN" Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:05:06 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news That is indeed sad news. Although I never met Terry in person, we swapped packages a number of times over the years. It's always sad to lose one of us and it reminds us of just what our core is, friendship and RAOK's. On Tue 20/03/12 12:22 PM , FIREMAN DaPatriot1@aol.com sent: > This is VERY sad news, I too had the pleasure of meeting Terry and > his family when they came through NYC. We spent the night in Times > Square and had a few drinks at the ESPN Zone. We had a great night > and I will greatly miss Terry. I am very sad to hear of this almost a > year later. Rob Gioia > -----Original Message----- > From: cardclctor > To: obc-announcements > Sent: Tue, Mar 20, 2012 11:23 am > Subject: [OBC-Announcements] Terry Dietrick sad news > Got this message on Facebook this morning: "Jennifer Dietrick > Mask > * Hi Ken I am Terry's daughter. I wanted to let you know that > Dad lost his battle with cancer in May. We wanted to reach his OBC > friends but couldn't get into his facebook acct. I am sorry if you > hadn't heard." > I had the pleasure of meeting up with Terry on a few occasions > including a couple visits up this way. The last time being a visit > with his son, who had a doctor's appointment a few years ago at one > of the Boston hospitals to see a specialist regarding his diabetes. > They stayed here a night and treated me to breakfast before spending > most of the day at the hospital. I checked back and found out that he > went inactive around 2010 and only now realized probably why. I wish I > had found out sooner, as it's been almost a year since his passing. 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Beside a boat cruise on a paddle boat and the grand ole opry on Tuesday night for the actual wedding day, I have have absolutely no idea what we are doing. I do know we will be in the smoky's and maybe chattanoga. Going places with my wife is a fly by the seat of the pants plan. Anybody can name a good card shop in the state we might drive by LMK. Anybody in the path LKN that also maybe we could meet up for lunch or something. Thanks ================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 03:07:22 +0000 (UTC) To: From: Subject: Banzai update OBC World! We will have at least two prize winners! I know this to be true because two of our Shakyspears have already submitted their entries...well in advance of the April Fool's Day deadline. For the remainder of our LongFellows, write away...and write hard...these two so far are great! Judges, I will share the entries closer to the deadline...you're gonna love them! OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:22:33 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: A couple 1967 hi#s cheap(ish) Unfortunately, I can't grab these myself as the seller has set requirementsto US buyers only. I've been looking for a cheap Stanley for a while now, too. #607 Mickey Stanley $10 #598 Wh Sox rookies $8 Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:31:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob" Subject: Banzai Babe Ruth Hi gang, Just received my copy of Rob Fitts' latest effort, "Banzai Babe Ruth," and I will be reading and reviewing it for my blog, hopefully soon. I love it when I am up to my ears in books and cards to review, and lately that's beenthe case. Just finished reviewing the Lyle Spatz/SABR book on the 1947 Brooklyn Dodgers, good stuff. http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/sports/related/C938/ Have a look. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2012 21:06:00 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets Final Four Is Set Wow - we started with 64 sets just a couple weeks ago, and now we're down to the final four. I decided we're going to also run a consolation bracket for positions thru 8th place, so when you see the ballot and think "didn't that set get eliminated", you'll know what's going on. There have been many individual matchups that went nowhere near the way I expected them to go, but the final four are all sets I assigned unofficial #1 seeds to. Also, three of my #2 seeds made it to the Elite Eight, 1961 Topps being the exception. Balloting is now open for a Favorite Set semifinal match as well as the first consolation. This round will end Friday evening at 10pm Central. Match 61 Semifinal: T206 vs 1957 Topps Match 62 Consolation Bracket: 1934-36 Diamond Stars vs 1941 Play Ball Recap of the other side of the bracket with matches just completed: Match 59: 1953 Bowman - 20 1956 Topps - 17 I expected this to be a dogfight and it did not disappoint. Led by the horizontal image of Reese in midair turning the doubleplay, the Bowmans pulled out to an 11-6 lead. Topps then rallied and managed to tie it at 14-14 behind a white back/grayback rally. With the game on the line, the Berra/Bauer/Mantle combo card and a great portrait of Stan the Man provided the difference and the '53 Bowman set moves on. Match 60: 1952 Topps - 28 1933 Goudey - 9 The result was not unexpected, perhaps the margin was. Goudey threw four Babe Ruths, two Lou Gehrigs, and a partridge in a pear tree into a fullcourt press which had the Topps-men offguard and kept Goudey close at 6-5. But then high number Mantle, Campanella, Robinson, and Mathews stepped up and Topps went on an 18-2 run to end the suspense and propel the iconic '52 set into the semifinals. ================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 07:36:54 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: 1947 Tip Top Bread OBC lot on eBay 5 cards, starting bid at 1 cent. http://www.ebay.com/itm/5-1947-Tip-Top-Bread-baseball-cards-/330705973565?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item4cff9cb13d#ht_500wt_1413 ================= To: Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 11:41:26 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Senior Moment Request Mr. Numbnuts here has done it again and is hoping some kind soul in OBC canhelp him redeem himself. I'm down to the last 4 cards in the 1933 World Wide gum (Canadian Goudey), English only back set. I saw what I thought was a #7 Ted Lyons from that set, because it was listed with a bunch of other World WideGum cards on Evilbay, and lay in the bushes until the auction was almost over to snipe it. I WON!!! Unfortunately when the card arrived it turned out to be the regular 33 Goudey set. I went back and checked the listing and sure enough, it was listed as a 33 Goudey. DUH!! Talk about wearing rose colored glasses. So I'm asking, does anyone have an English only back Lyons WWG that they would swap for the 33 Goudey Lyons. The 33 Goudey Lyons lists for more than twice 33 WWG Lyons. I don't care about condition. My 33 Goudey Lyons is PR witha major crease vertically down the middle, rounded corners, but not an unattractive card by OBC standards. I could try to sweeten the deal a bit as well. While I'm at it the other 3 cards I need from that set are 27 Connally, 73 Farrell, and 78 Myers. I have a 78 Myers with the French/English back to swap and it is very nice (EX at least). Any help for Mr. Numbnuts would be most ================= Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 14:17:10 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: alvinautry@aol.com Subject: Re: 1972 Proofs Question for the experts. I see these listed on ebay all the time.. Some graded/certified from the Topps Auction etc. Others just raw cards. How likely is it these are real proofs vs. someone playing with a color copier? ================= To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2012 16:37:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Gary Mandell Subject: cool cubs tix got my season tix today (i know, but its our century!), and each ticket shows a different cub great or not so great on one of their topps baseball cards over the past 60 years. very cool looking! ================= Date: Sat, 24 Mar 2012 07:40:58 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets - Other SemiFinal Match Tips Off Hi everyone A real quick update this morning. Balloting for matches 61 and 62 will close at 10pm Central on Sunday. We're getting down to the end. This weekend's matchup Match 63: Semifinal 1953 Bowman vs 1952 Topps Match 64: Consolation 1956 Topps vs 1933 Goudey Results of matches just ended: Match 61: T206 - 18 1957 Topps - 8: T206 notched five of the first six votes and never looked back. Match 62: 1934-36 Diamond Stars - 13 1941 Play Ball - 12: This was a bit of a surprise to me but not a real shocker. This match seemed to trade votes as neither set ever led by more than two votes along the way. After this match only one remains. The championship tips off once the results are announced Sunday and continues until Tuesday evening. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 11:55:54 -0400 To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rob Fitts Subject: 1965 hero needed Im down to one card from the 1965 topps set. Does somebody have a #67 harvey haddix that they could pass on to me? Rob fitts Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:09:36 -0400 (EDT) To: ochiaifitts@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1965 hero needed Content-Language: en I'll send it soon Randy Welk In a message dated 3/25/2012 7:56:05 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ochiaifitts@verizon.net writes: Im down to one card from the 1965 topps set. Does somebody have a #67 harvey haddix that they could pass on to me? Rob fitts Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 12:31:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Batter Up color variations I'm thinking about starting a Batter Up set. I know there are color variations. Does anyone know why? Or how many colors there are for each player? Maybe for my Red Sox team set, I might look for a whole card and one without the top, just to put them side by side in an album. I'll do some research on this online. If anyone wants me to share the results, let me know. ================= To: , "Steve Rittenberg" Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 14:04:25 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Batter Up color variations There are, I believe 4 colors for each lower # card (below 80) and some of the high #'s come in different shades of B/W or sepia. Been working on the Hi's 15 years but still have 28 to go. Howard still has 3 or 4 on his WL. On Sun 25/03/12 1:31 PM , Steve Rittenberg srittenberg@gmail.com sent: > I'm thinking about starting a Batter Up set. I know there are color > variations. Does anyone know why? Or how many colors there are for > each player? Maybe for my Red Sox team set, I might look for a > whole > card and one without the top, just to put them side by side in an > album. I'll do some research on this online. 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Mark Macrae sent up a show at a local high schoolas a fund raiser. Mark remembered me from a show probably about 8 years ago - what a great memory. It was fun flipping throgh stacks of PCL cards and some other oldies and listening to Mark tell stories. I now have doubled my Zeenutstype cards to 10 different years, mostly with special enhancement like clipped corners or some old tape etc. It was a fun way to spend an hour on a rainy ================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 20:14:08 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards George -- I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the collectors. People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resell are nuts. Like the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with thepeople in that room, because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make a kid like baseball cards today...would you? Look at what is out there to grab their attention...they can't get off their phones long enough to see the what the weather is. There won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who will even be playing the game itself. We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons of cash to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people stilldo it. The buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected marbles, as did many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble collectors out there, but we didn't play with them as kids, so they disappeared. Do kids collect stamps anymore? My mom hada big collection and gave them to me a while back. You couldn't get anything for them...if kids don't collect them, the market dies. The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. Most OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So forinstance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill in going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. At some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and build sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as there is nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have built their sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen a pack of baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, Florida, or Colorado. Not once. It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy cards cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... Take Care,Geno --- On Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek wrote: From: George and Susan Vrechek Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to disprove. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-house-of-cards/ George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2012 21:05:43 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets - Last Call Hi everyone OK - we're finally ready for last call. The final ballot of our nearly month-long favorite sets. Only two sets have an opportunity to be crowned favorite set. Balloting ends Tuesday night at 10pm, so be sure to get those votes in. Hoping for a heavy turnout with this one. So here goes: Match 65 - Championship: T206 vs 1952 Topps Match 66 - 3rd Place: 1957 Topps vs 1953 Bowman Match 67 - 5th Place: 1934-36 Diamond Stars vs 1956 Topps Match 68 - 7th Place: 1941 Play Ball vs 1933 Goudey Recap of the recently concluded matches: Match 63: 1952 Topps - 17 1953 Bowman - 12 This is the first time that the '52 Topps set has not doubled up their competition. Halfway thru this one, the '52 set held a 10-3 lead and it seemed that another rout was on. But the color Bowman set made a strong rally and closed it to 15-12 before running out of gas. Match 64: 1956 Topps - 18 1933 Goudey - 11 Goudey led thru the first half of this won and held a 9-8 lead before the '56ers closed on a 10-2 run. Thanks for your support! Mike Mackie ================= To: ehpiii@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, mma3026559@aol.com Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 01:09:48 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SF show report Mark is a great dealer and has a fantastic memory. Just wish I could get upnorth for one of his shows...although, now that he sets up at the local Los Angeles show, I am much happier. -----Original Message----- From: ehpiii To: OBC-Ramblings ; mma3026559 Sent: Sun, Mar 25, 2012 7:55 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SF show report I discovered this weekend that card shows are not dead despite the rise of the internet era. Mark Macrae sent up a show at a local high schoolas a fund raiser. Mark remembered me from a show probably about 8 years ago - what a great memory. It was fun flipping throgh stacks of PCL cards and some other oldies and listening to Mark tell stories. I now have doubled my Zeenutstype cards to 10 different years, mostly with special enhancement like clipped corners or some old tape etc. It was a fun way to spend an hour on a rainy ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 10:18:56 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Re: Batter Up color variations Lionel Carter started collecting this set when it came out and continued working on it for about 70 years - without completing all the high numbers. But good luck, Steve. It's all about the search and this will keep you busy. ================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:43:03 -0400 To: Geno Wagner From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards This subject came up on the Net54 board with most people disagreeing with the premise. I think that CBS has it correct. Here is some very quick analysis I did which seems to back up CBS' point. Here's an example. I am a member of OBC (www.oldbaseball.com), a trading group of pre 1980 BB cards. I just downloaded our directory and did some very quick excel manipulations. We have 158 members average age is 51 0 people born in the 90s 5 people born in the 80s 21 people born in the 70s 65 people born in the 60s 43 people born in the 50s 24 people born in the 40s I would be very interested to see similar numbers, assuming they could be obtained from Net54. But I think the numbers above show the future will have a lot less BB card collectors. Not a bad thing, times change, and that means more BB cards for those of us who still collect. Either way I'm still having fun and hope you are to On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > ** > George -- > I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the > collectors. People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resell > are nuts. Like the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with the > people in that room, because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make > a kid like baseball cards today...would you? Look at what is out there to > grab their attention...they can't get off their phones long enough to see > the what the weather is. There won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who > will even be playing the game itself. > We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons > of cash to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people still do > it. The buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected > marbles, as did many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble > collectors out there, but we didn't play with them as kids, so they > disappeared. Do kids collect stamps anymore? My mom had a big collection > and gave them to me a while back. You couldn't get anything for them...if > kids don't collect them, the market dies. > The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. > Most OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So > for instance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill > in going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. > At some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and > build sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as > there is nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have > built their sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen > a pack of baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, > Florida, or Colorado. Not once. > It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy > cards cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On *Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek *wrote: > From: George and Susan Vrechek > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM > I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to > disprove. > http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-house-of-cards/ > George Vrechek ================= To: "'Bob Donaldson'" , Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 13:03:17 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards Gee, 51 years-old seems "young" to some of us. Thanks for your insight. I was guessing our average age might be even higher. I'd love to see us recruit more members in OBC in that even if the overall population of collectors is likely decreasing, there is still a large group out there of more than 158 people who collect OBC material. The difference in the video between current small shows and those of 25 years ago is remarkable. The recent Chicago show that was mentioned seemed relatively busy to me but they had every autograph guest under the sun. A card-only show wouldn't have the same level of activity. On the other hand, I see prices of beat-up old stuff reach pretty reasonable levels. At the show "Uncle Dick" was selling plenty of poor 1951 and 1952 Bowmans for $1 each. George Vrechek From: Bob Donaldson [mailto:obcbobd@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, March 26, 2012 12:43 PM To: Geno Wagner Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; George and Susan Vrechek Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards This subject came up on the Net54 board with most people disagreeing with the premise. I think that CBS has it correct. Here is some very quick analysis I did which seems to back up CBS' point. Here's an example. I am a member of OBC (www.oldbaseball.com), a trading group of pre 1980 BB cards. I just downloaded our directory and did some very quick excel manipulations. We have 158 members average age is 51 0 people born in the 90s 5 people born in the 80s 21 people born in the 70s 65 people born in the 60s 43 people born in the 50s 24 people born in the 40s I would be very interested to see similar numbers, assuming they could be obtained from Net54. But I think the numbers above show the future will have a lot less BB card collectors. Not a bad thing, times change, and that means more BB cards for those of us who still collect. Either way I'm still having fun and hope you are to On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Geno Wagner George -- I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the collectors. People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resell are nuts. Like the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with the people in that room, because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make a kid like baseball cards today...would you? Look at what is out there to grab their attention...they can't get off their phones long enough to see the what the weather is. There won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who will even be playing the game itself. We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons of cash to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people still do it. The buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected marbles, as did many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble collectors out there, but we didn't play with them as kids, so they disappeared. Do kids collect stamps anymore? My mom had a big collection and gave them to me a while back. You couldn't get anything for them...if kids don't collect them, the market dies. The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. Most OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So for instance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill in going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. At some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and build sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as there is nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have built their sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen a pack of baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, Florida, or Colorado. Not once. It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy cards cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... Take Care, --- On Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek wrote: From: George and Susan Vrechek Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to disprove. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-ho George Vrechek wrote: George -- I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the collectors. People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resellare nuts. Like the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with the people in that room, because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make a kid like baseball cards today...would you? Look at what is out there to grab their attention...they can't get off their phones long enough to see the what the weather is. There won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who will even be playing the game itself. We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons of cash to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people still do it. The buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected marbles, as did many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble collectors out there, but we didn't play with them as kids, so they disappeared. Do kids collect stamps anymore? My mom had a big collectionand them to me a while back. You couldn't get anything for them...if kids don't collect them, the market dies. The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. Most OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So for instance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill in going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. At some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and build sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as there is nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have built their sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen a pack of baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, Florida, or Colorado. Not once. It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy cards cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... Take Care, --- On Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek <_vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net) > wrote: From: George and Susan Vrechek <_vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net) > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to _http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-h (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-house-of-cards/) George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 11:30:29 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards Great points everyone. My 11 year old has an interest in cards, but Ilament that it is cost prohibitive to build sets from packs these days the way we did. So he ends up with random packs but little interest in building sets, and who can blame him?At a couple bucks a pack - I just wait to buy complete From: "biggies@aol.com" To: obcbobd@gmail.com; illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; vrechek@ameritech.net Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 1:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards Great analysis Bob! I was at the Westchester show yesterday. Pretty big show, 150 or so dealers. $7 to get in. The first baseball commons box I saw with new stuff, 1990 to today, sets I am working on for my nephews, was a $1 box. How the heck could young kids afford to be in this hobby? I am old enough to remember .05 packs, .10 packs and even .20 packs as I collected. It was affordable. Ultra-foil-parallel-insert-whatever packs today are $2-$10. I see lots of kids at the ball parks so I think if it were still affordable they would have interest in cards. Our Little League programs aremore robust than ever. Baseball is as strong stronger than ever. Thecardboard (that's laughable) companies have sealed own fate by mass producing too many indestructible cards at outrageous prices. guess the profiteers did this to the chagrin of the collectors. Perhaps if they were able to see the death nail that we are discussingthe companiesmight realize that they have to keep kids in it to survive. If not, as we die off does the hobby vanish? Could the last few of us be bidding pennies for a 52 Mantle? It would be somewhat profound if cards reverted to their original cost/value and you could get 8 52 Topps cards for .05. In a message dated 3/26/2012 1:43:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: >This subject came up on the Net54 board with most people disagreeing with the >premise. I think that CBS has it correct. Here is some very quick analysis I >did which seems to back up CBS' point. >Here's an example. I am a member of OBC (www.oldbaseball.com), a trading >of pre 1980 BB cards. I just downloaded our directory and did some very >excel manipulations. >We have 158 members >average age is 51 >0 people born in the 90s >5 people born in the 80s >21 people born in the 70s >65 people born in the 60s >43 people born in the 50s >24 people born in the 40s >I would be very interested to see similar numbers, assuming they could be >obtained from Net54. But I think the numbers above show the future will have a >lot less BB card collectors. Not a bad thing, times change, and thatmeans >BB cards for those of us who still collect. >Either way I'm still having fun and hope you are to >On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: >>George -- >>I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the collectors. >>People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resell are nuts. >>the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with the people in that room, >>because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make a kid like baseball >>today...would you? Look at what is out there to grab their attention...they >>can't get off their phones long enough to see the what the weather is. There >>won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who will even be playing the game itself. >>We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons of cash >>to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people still do it. The >>buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected marbles, as did >>many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble collectors out there, >>but we didn't play with them as kids, so they disappeared. Do kids collect >>stamps anymore? My mom had a big collection and gave them to me a while >>You couldn't get anything for them...if kids don't collect them, the >>The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. Most >>OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So >>forinstance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill in >>going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. At >>some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and build >>sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as there >>nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have built their >>sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen a pack of >>baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, Florida, >>Colorado. Not once. >>It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy >>cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... >>Take Care, >>--- On Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek wrote: >>>From: George and Susan Vrechek >>>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards >>>To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >>>Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM >>>I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to disprove. >>>http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-house-of-cards/ >>>George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 14:32:37 -0400 (EDT) To: macknife13@prodigy.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards Content-Language: en and if he did dive into that investment for his favorite team Mike, he'd be lucky if 5 of the current players were there next year! In a message dated 3/26/2012 2:30:34 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, macknife13@prodigy.net writes: Great points everyone. My 11 year old has an interest in cards, but I lament that it is cost prohibitive to build sets from packs these days the way we did. So he ends up with random packs but little interest in building sets, and who can blame him? At a couple bucks a pack - I just wait to buy complete sets. From: "biggies@aol.com" To: obcbobd@gmail.com; illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; vrechek@ameritech.net Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 1:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards Great analysis Bob! I was at the Westchester show yesterday. Pretty big show, 150 or so $7 to get in. The first baseball commons box I saw with new stuff, 1990 to today, sets I am working on for my nephews, was a $1 box. How the heck could young kids afford to be in this hobby? I am old enough to remember .05 packs, .10 packs and even .20 packs as I collected. It was affordable. Ultra-foil-parallel-insert-whatever packs today are $2-$10. I see lots of kids at the ball parks so I think if it were still affordable they would have interest in cards. Our Little League programs are more robust than ever. Baseball is as strong or stronger than ever. The cardboard (that's laughable) companies have sealed their own fate by mass producing too many indestructible cards at outrageous prices. I guess the profiteers did this to the chagrin of the Perhaps if they were able to see the death nail that we are discussing the card companies might realize that they have to keep kids in it to survive. If not, as we die off does the hobby vanish? Could the last few of us be bidding pennies for a 52 Mantle? It would be somewhat profound if cards reverted to their original cost/value and you could get 8 52 Topps cards for In a message dated 3/26/2012 1:43:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: This subject came up on the Net54 board with most people disagreeing with the premise. I think that CBS has it correct. Here is some very quick analysis I did which seems to back up CBS' point. Here's an example. I am a member of OBC (_www.oldbaseball.com_ (http://www.oldbaseball.com/) ), a trading group of pre 1980 BB cards. I just downloaded our directory and did some very quick excel manipulations. We have 158 members average age is 51 0 people born in the 90s 5 people born in the 80s 21 people born in the 70s 65 people born in the 60s 43 people born in the 50s 24 people born in the 40s I would be very interested to see similar numbers, assuming they could be obtained from Net54. But I think the numbers above show the future will have a lot less BB card collectors. Not a bad thing, times change, and that means more BB cards for those of us who still collect. Either way I'm still having fun and hope you are to On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Geno Wagner <_illini_grad_90@yahoo.com_ (mailto:illini_grad_90@yahoo.com) > wrote: George -- I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the collectors. People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resellare nuts. Like the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with the people in that room, because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make a kid like baseball cards today...would you? Look at what is out there to grab their attention...they can't get off their phones long enough to see the what the weather is. There won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who will even be playing the game itself. We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons of cash to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people still do it. The buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected marbles, as did many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble collectors out there, but we didn't play with them as kids, so they disappeared. Do kids collect stamps anymore? My mom had a big collectionand them to me a while back. You couldn't get anything for them...if kids don't collect them, the market dies. The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. Most OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So for instance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill in going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. At some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and build sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as there is nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have built their sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen a pack of baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, Florida, or Colorado. Not once. It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy cards cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... Take Care, --- On Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek <_vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net) > wrote: From: George and Susan Vrechek <_vrechek@ameritech.net_ (mailto:vrechek@ameritech.net) > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to _http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-h (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-house-of-cards/) George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 19:43:29 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings , From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards You might want to try the Topps Opening Day set. The packs are about a bucka piece at Target. You can also get a box of 36 packs for around $30 at a card shop or on eBay. The set is small at 220 and has most or all of the stars. I build this set with my 17 year old Daughter every year. She likes opening the packs and seeing who she gets. As for BB's point about the 52 Mantles on the cheap, perhaps the 5 OBC members born in the 80's will have that honor. John Stamperhttp://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ --- On Mon, 3/26/12, Mike Mackie wrote: From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Monday, March 26, 2012, 11:30 AM Great points everyone. My 11 year old has an interest in cards,but I lament that it is cost prohibitive to build sets from packs these days the way we did. So he ends up with random packs but little interest in building sets, and who can blame him?At a couple bucks a pack - I just wait to buy complete sets. From: "biggies@aol.com" To: obcbobd@gmail.com; illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; vrechek@ameritech.net Sent: Mon, March 26, 2012 1:17:45 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards Great analysis Bob! I was at the Westchester show yesterday. Pretty big show, 150 or so dealers. $7 to get in. The first baseball commons box I saw with new stuff, 1990 to today, sets I am working on for my nephews, was a $1 box. How the heck could young kids afford to be in this hobby? I am old enough to remember .05 packs, .10 packs and even .20 packs as I collected. It was affordable. Ultra-foil-parallel-insert-whatever packs today are $2-$10. I see lots of kids at the ball parks so I think if it were still affordable they would have interest in cards. Our Little League programs aremore robust than ever. Baseball is as strong or stronger than ever. Thecardboard (that's laughable) companies have sealed their own fate by mass producing too many indestructible cards at outrageous prices. I guess the profiteers did this to the chagrin of the Perhaps if they were able to see the death nail that we are discussingthe card companiesmight realize that they have to keep kids in it to If not, as we die off does the hobby vanish? Could the last few of us be bidding pennies for a 52 Mantle? It would be somewhat profound if cards reverted to their original cost/value and you could get 8 52 Topps cards for .05. In a message dated 3/26/2012 1:43:09 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, obcbobd@gmail.com This subject came up on the Net54 board with most people disagreeing with the premise. I think that CBS has it correct. Here is some very quick analysis I did which seems to back up CBS' point. Here's an example. I am a member of OBC (www.oldbaseball.com), a trading group of pre 1980 BB cards. I just downloaded our directory and did some very quick excel manipulations. We have 158 members average age is 51 0 people born in the 90s 5 people born in the 80s 21 people born in the 70s 65 people born in the 60s 43 people born in the 50s 24 people born in the 40s I would be very interested to see similar numbers, assuming they could be obtained from Net54. But I think the numbers above show the future will have a lot less BB card collectors. Not a bad thing, times change, and that means more BB cards for those of us who still collect. Either way I'm still having fun and hope you are to On Sun, Mar 25, 2012 at 11:14 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: George -- I've been saying that for the last few years...we're the last of the collectors. People who spend thousands on cards they think they can resell are nuts. Like the guy in the video says, the hobby will die with thepeople in that room, because kids don't care. Nothing you can do will make a kid like baseball cards today...would you? Look at what is out there to grab their attention...they can't get off their phones long enough to see the what the weather is. There won't be collectors, and I'm not sure who will even be playing the game itself. We collect because we love the cards, which is great. But to spend tons of cash to build a PSA 9 1976 set is just plain lunacy, but people stilldo it. The buyers will be gone in 20-30 years. My grandfather collected marbles, as did many of his friends. I'm sure there are still some marble collectors out there, but we didn't play with them as kids, so they disappeared. Do kids collect stamps anymore? My mom hada big collection and gave them to me a while back. You couldn't get anything for them...if kids don't collect them, the market dies. The video shows the guy flipping through some 1979 cards, among others. Most OBCers try to go back in fill in sets from before we collected. So forinstance, I started collecting in 1974. I would go to shows and fill in going backwards, until you get to 1952...then it's on to something else. At some point, when kids stop collecting, there is nobody to "go back" and build sets. That would start making those sets virtually worthless, as there is nobody to buy the inventory once the "old school" collectors have built their sets. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think so. I've never seen a pack of baseball cards at my kids' schools in Delaware, Ohio, California, Florida, or Colorado. Not once. It's depressing in a way...but also, you can look at it as a chance to buy cards cheap in the years to come. Marbles are cheap... Take Care, --- On Sun, 3/25/12, George and Susan Vrechek wrote: From: George and Susan Vrechek Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] News Piece on the Death of Baseball Cards To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 25, 2012, 9:03 PM I thought this was interesting, maybe a bit overstated but hard to disprove. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-3445_162-57404088/collectors-lament-baseballs-house-of-cards/ George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 22:05:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Mark Z Subject: Re: News Piece on the Death of Baseball I recorded the show yesterday and watched it last night. Of course we all have seen the numbers and quality of the shows and shops decrease over the years But the other side of that is...the internet auction/dealer/message board sites amount of transactions/total dollars should have grown over the past 10 yrs it is one thing to compare the boom of early 90s to today...but what about 2000 to 2012? I still think there is enough demand to cover the new products with all their fancy chase and auto cards for the younger generation (although not really kids anymore)..after all, even though upper deck is struggling, I bet topps and panini are still making money on the new stuff..or they would not keep putting out so many brands.. as far as long term value, I think our pre70 stuff will hold value, but there is so much 70s and 80s material out there that it will continue to stay stagnant or drop.. I would love to see some hobby authorities put out some rebuttal articles or podcasts about the current health of the hobby is, not about the boom/bust of the past.. sorry for the long ramble...markz ================= Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2012 20:17:08 -0700 (PDT) To: dugout traders , From: John Dahms Subject: 68 topps willie mcCovey #290 ATT hey guys, found this 68 topps willie McCovey, offering it up for trade. I would conservitively grade it as a VG+ corners are slightly soft, centering is dead on with good coloring. if interested shoot me an email. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= To: , Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 08:56:45 -0400 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: Rob Fitts to speak at the Barnes and Noble on 86th and Lexington on For your New York area members, I will be giving a book talk at the Barnes and Noble on 86th and Lexington on Monday April 2 at 7 PM. I'll be speaking about my new book Banzai Babe Ruth which focuses on Ruth'svisit to Japan in 1934. For more information about the event, please see the below link to Barnes and Noble or the link to my web site. For those who want a preview, I recently did an interview on NPR's Only a Game http://onlyagame.wbur.org/2012/03/17/banzai-babe-ruth And Baseball America gave the book a nice review http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/majors/book-guide/2012/2613111.html Hope to see you there! http://store-locator.barnesandnoble.com/event/3244818 Murder, Espionage & Baseball ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 09:21:53 -0400 (EDT) From: FIREMAN Subject: DICK GROAT hey everyone This is a semi rambling and semi request Yesterday at work, My Deputy Chief was telling me a baseball story he was in White Plains NY and was in a hotel bar, and some older man came up to him. Long Story short..It was Dick Groat, and the 2 of them talked for hours. After My chief told me the story he said he wish he would have had one of his cards....well light bulb comes on for me...Can you guys help me get a couple Dick Groat cards for my chief? Let me know Thank you very much in advance Rob FIREMAN Gioia ================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 10:51:52 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: alvinautry@aol.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Auction alert! _http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/honus-wagner-baseball-card-auction (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/26/honus-wagner-baseball-card-auctioned_n_1380013.html?ref=sports) Not sure if anyone has these on their wantlists?? ================= Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2012 22:52:42 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Mark Z Subject: Fw: Re: News Piece on the Death of Baseball some comments from leaf and panini in response to the tv show: http://www.cardboardconnection.com/sports-card-hobby-dying-leaf-panini ================= Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 04:51:48 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Favorite Sets - Final Results All good things must come to an end, and so it goes with our Favorite sets tournament. In late February we started this fun with 64 sets and now we have last set standing. Thanks to everyone who participated in this contest; your enthusiasm, participation, and comments along the way made this a lot of fun for yours truly - and it sounds like a lot of you enjoyed this as well. The results: Match 68 / 7th place: 1933 Goudey - 22 1941 Play Ball - 12: This was closer than the final score would indicate, a theme you'll find throughout. Play Ball hung tough, trailing 10-8 at the break but Goudey poured it on ending on a 12-4 run to pull out a double digit victory and claim 7th place. Match 67 / 5th place: 1956 Topps - 24 1934-36 Diamond Stars - 10: Topps jumped off to an early 8-1 lead and this one looked like a laugher before the Diamond Stars supporters came out. They closed the voting to 11-9 before the Toppers regained control and closed on a 13-1 run to pull away. Match 66 / 3rd place: 1953 Bowman - 24 1957 Topps - 10: The Bowmen dominated this from start to finish, leading 13-4 at the midway point and cruising from there. Match 65 / Championship: 1952 Topps - 21 T206 - 15: Our main event was a tail of two halves. Honus Wagner and Eddie Plank came out strong early as the tobacco gang collected the first four votes and led 7-2 early. The first '52 surge, led by #1 Andy Pafko and the red back variations made it close at 7-6 before the Ty Cobb and Christy Mathewson variations pushed the lead back to 12-7. A tobacco title appeared more than possibile at that moment, but then the tables turned dramatically. Mickey Mantle led a blitz and full court press that saw the 52ers collect 14 of the final 17 votes and claim the title of Favorite Set 2012. Once again, thanks to everyone who participated. I had a blast with this. Trade on! Mike Mackie ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 22:01:23 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: Wilmington MA Shriner's Show This Spring Reminder, the Spring Shriner's show in Wilmington is this weekend. I plan to be there Saturday Anyone going to the Spring Shirner's Show this year? March 30th -April1st http://www.hollywoodcollectibles.com/content/upcoming-signing-and-events-137 ================= To: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 11:26:28 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Old SI.com, Halls of Shame, Peter Nash, and fraud in the hobby Below is a small excerpt from a 2+ year old SI article I hadn't seen before and thought it very interesting. Some of you may have already read this but, I missed any mention of it on our emails. The link to the complete story is below. Peter Nash has been sending many of us his posts to http://haulsofshame.com/ which all sound pretty believable as to fraud in memorabilia sales. He apparently has first-hand knowledge. The message I get is to stay with OBC material and never spend too much on any one thing. George Vrechek For all its many upstanding, passionate collectors, the baseball-memorabilia subculture is also a notoriously seedy shadowland of Mametesque schemers and dreamers, thick with forgeries and thefts, conflicts of interest, dubious "authenticators," shill bidding, card doctoring and any number of other dubious practices. "The hobby is mostly filled with low-life hucksters, some of whom grow up to own important auction houses," says a longtime collector of early baseball material. "You can count the number of people who are smart and educated and honest on one hand." Read more: Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 14:26:59 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Set Completion! Well, the big day (and card) arrived. With the arrival of "Too Late for Devlin" (Matty/Devlin (Giants)), the t202 set is put to bed. Or at least I thought it was...naturally there was a Gremlin. Fortunately Geno Wagner graciously agreed to send me the last one I now need to finish it off. Quite an effort...and thanks out to everyone who helped along the way (Geno, Brock and Bob Donaldson come to mind, but there were probably others too)! In retrospect, I don't think it's my favorite set to put together...something like 6 cobbs and 10 mathewsons...more than I can accurately count. Theyare beautiful cards though...now I'll try to keep myself from doing the master ================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 12:33:38 -0700 (PDT) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion! And I thought completing my 1961T set was something...... Amazing achievement, Mac!! Congratulations!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:26 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion! Well, the big day (and card) arrived. With the arrival of "Too Late for Devlin" (Matty/Devlin (Giants)), the t202 set is put to bed. Or atleast I thought it was...naturally there was a Gremlin. Fortunately Geno Wagner graciously agreed to send me the last one I now need to finish it off. Quite an effort...and thanks out to everyone who helped alongthe way (Geno, Brock and Bob Donaldson come to mind, but there were probably others too)! In retrospect, I don't think it's my favorite set to put together...something like 6 cobbs and 10 mathewsons...more than I can accurately count.They are beautiful cards though...now I'll try to keep myself from doing the master set. ================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 13:33:52 -0700 (PDT) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion! I was thinking the same thing about my 69 topps set.....nice job Mac John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI --- On Thu, 3/29/12, Glenn Codere wrote: From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion! To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thursday, March 29, 2012, 3:33 PM And I thought completing my 1961T set was something...... Amazing achievement, Mac!! Congratulations!! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2012 7:26 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion! Well, the big day (and card) arrived. With the arrival of "Too Late for Devlin" (Matty/Devlin (Giants)), the t202 set is put to bed. Or atleast I thought it was...naturally there was a Gremlin. Fortunately Geno Wagner graciously agreed to send me the last one I now need to finish it off. Quite an effort...and thanks out to everyone who helped alongthe way (Geno, Brock and Bob Donaldson come to mind, but there were probably others too)! In retrospect, I don't think it's my favorite set to put together...something like 6 cobbs and 10 mathewsons...more than I can accurately count.They are beautiful cards though...now I'll try to keep myself from doing the master set. ================= Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 16:18:03 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: BV help on a couple of Kaline cards please 1955 bowman kaline and a 1960 topps kaline please and thanks John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= To: "Brian Lindholme" , Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2012 17:06:37 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? OBC World, Just a gentle nudge for those of you still working on your Banzai essay. It's almost time to dot some I's and cross some T's before hiting "send" The deadline to be prize eligible (and it's a fantastic prize) is Sunday April Thanks to those who have already submitted their entry and to those who will do so this weekend!! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Lindholme o have a To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK ; familytoad@comcast.net Cc: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2012 1:08 PM Subject: Re: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? OBC World, I'm not sure if my note below was an effective teaser, but I want to announce the beginning of a new and hopefully fun contest! It'll be easy to enter, and pretty easy to win. The contest will be a writing contest, the entries will be judged by a panel of experts (otherwise known as mystery OBCers) I've purchased 6 of Rob Fitts' awesome new book "Banzai Babe Ruth: Baseball, Espionage, and Assassination during the 1934 Tour of Japan" http://www.amazon.com/Banzai-Babe-Ruth-Espionage-Assassination/dp/0803229844 These will serve as the grand prizes and will be autographed by our esteemed pal ,OBC member and award winning author Robert K. Fitts hisself. Here's all that you have to do: Step 1: To enter the contest, you have to email me with your intentions in the next 4 days. (You do NOT have to have your story finished) but your essay will only count if you have "entered" by the deadline. Thursday March 15th is the last day to enter. Step 2 : I have randomized topics/themes that I will assign you to write about. (The time tested randomization method of the paper/scissors/hat will be employed) You will receive your topic/theme shortly after you email me your entry. Themes will be mostly baseball, favorite baseball cards, baseball with kids, OBC experiences,sports games, family and a lot of overlapping subjects like that...this is designed to produce some variety in the stories you share.As always,keep it light...humor wins points:) Step 3 : Write! The finished product deadline will be a couple weeks after we gather the entries. Hopefully that will allow sufficient time without the contest becoming forgotten/mis-remembered/lost in the sauce. Exact deadline TBD. Step 4: Share your entry with OBC-Ramblings, subject line Banzai- For example "Banzai-familytoad" Step 5: The Judges judge... and you win! All entrants will get at minimumsome cardboard consolation prizes...I've stocked the dupes box a Major award winners get an autographed book! General rules: No rules on length of the essay, the hope would be that the authors would use at least several paragraphs, maybe three hundred words or more, but its your story. No special writing skills needed, just write as if you were writing to a friend (you are!) Priority 1 Rule: Have fun, please enter ! Thanks to Rob for his support in this endeavor. And to the judges that I haven't asked yet :) Rob said that he also might be able to post the winners to a website, exact details on that to follow. Hope you like it! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: familytoad@comcast.net To: obc ; Jimmy ; malsman250 ; EEK Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2012 9:54 PM Subject: Banzai Was Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I hope you stay tuned... I have something cooking with Rob that will hopefully be a big hit in OBC world. The details are forthcoming but in the meantime start honing yourwriting skills for a neat contest coming soon. Rob, let's get serious about my earlier proposal regarding Banzai. I should have some time this week, the past few weeks have been nutty busy. OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ----- Original Message ----- From: originaleek1@att.net To: malsman250@neo.rr.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,catfish.obc@gmail.com Sent:Wed Mar 7 04:21:58 UTC 2012 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? I'm in the process of reading Rob Fitts' latest book Banzai Babe Ruth and I would definitely have that on my list. I think it is a great historical perspective that even non baseball fans would find fascinating. Kudos to Rob! "we keep what we give away!" From: "malsman250@neo.rr.com" To: obc ramblings ; "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" Sent: Wed, March 7, 2012 10:51:43 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Desert island baseball books? Not bad - but how could he omit "The Glory of Their Times." Would be #1on my list. And, if my island lacked internet access, I would take along a copy of "The Baseball Encylopedia......" ---- "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" wrote: > One fan's list, but it's great to see that "The Book" made his cut: > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeff-polman/the-top-25-baseball-books_b_1323002.html > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:29:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Status After much thought, I have decided that I need to go on INACTIVE status. Imentioned this to TJ Valacak a while back, but apparently he was waiting in hopes that I would change my mind. Unfortunately, I just can't keep up. The good news is that there is nothing bad happening, just that both my wife and I work, and we both work a side business that helps make ends meet. Also, my daughters and step-daughter are both high school seniors this year, and my wife and I help out with the high school robotics team. All told, my time spent at home is sleeping, cleaning or working the home business.The best news is that the robotics team is having another successful year, ranked 9th in the world right now (of over 3000 teams). I have met some great brethren in this group and fully expect to be able tobecome active again in a short time. If I get time, I will continue to try to hit the lists of those I owe, but please, don't return fire. I will also try to monitor the posts and see what you guys are up to. Thanks to you all! Mike Mroz ================= To: , "Mac Wubben" Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 10:21:24 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Set Completion! Wow!! That's quite a feat. Congrats!! On Thu 29/03/12 2:26 PM , Mac Wubben obcmac@hotmail.com sent: > Well, the big day (and card) arrived. With the arrival of "Too > Late for Devlin" (Matty/Devlin (Giants)), the t202 set is put to bed. > Or at least I thought it was...naturally there was a Gremlin. > Fortunately Geno Wagner graciously agreed to send me the last one I > now need to finish it off. Quite an effort...and thanks out to > everyone who helped along the way (Geno, Brock and Bob Donaldson come > to mind, but there were probably others too)! In retrospect, I don't > think it's my favorite set to put together...something like 6 cobbs > and 10 mathewsons...more than I can accurately count. They are > beautiful cards though...now I'll try to keep myself from doing the > master set. Mac > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxMXRsMWNqBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIzNDU5BHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTMzMzA0NTY1Nw--?actreply&messageNum23459[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlbG8zN290BF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMzA0NTY1Nw--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/22008;_ylcX3oDMTM2cnVr > bmM2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > zNDU5BHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTMzMzA0NTY1NwR0cGNJZAMyMjAwOA--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlb2IzNHRkBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTMzMzA0NTY1Nw--[7] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkaDFjM2hkBF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMzMzMDQ1NjU3[11] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 08:50:17 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: waiver wire offering--59 topps Mazeroski up for offer is the #415 card from the 59 topps set of Bill mazeroski this card is in poor to good shape with creases. email me with address first come gets thanks and thanks OBC John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:22:31 -0700 (PDT) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Bill Gates Killed - And I Couldn't Be Happier No I'm not talking about the Microsoft founder here, but my 1964 Topps set. Thanks go out to KEVIN MARTENS and BRIAN BETZA who killed off my 1964 wantlist by providing the last two cards I needed: Bill Mazeroski (Kevin) and Gates Brown (Brian). So another set bites the dust, though I still need to flip thru my box and make sure no gremlins got in there. Thanks Kevin and Brian for starting the weekend off on the right foot. Mike Mackie ================= Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2012 21:02:13 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Mark Z Subject: CBS Piece by Arman Keteyian Arman is coming on cardboard connection radio later tonight to talk about his report,and the cc guys will be shedding some light on some other viewpoints and how else the hobby has changed..I look forward to some other viewpoints. I have enjoyed the posts here and on other boards about the subject...lots of varied opinions, but still comes down to just...have fun with the hobby and collect what you like.. ================= Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 07:07:14 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Not so Sweet Home Alabama Life is great here in Alabama except for southern food and (nearly) no baseball card shops, shows, or collectors. There is one shop here that mostly sells UV. There is one ex-OBCer here (Matt Shirley) who I haven't been able to meet since I arrived here and another guy who I've been trying to get into OBC for 2-3 years. The nearest show is 2 hours away. How do others cope? I think Glenn spends all his time/money online. How do people fill in the holes for cheap cards such as 1961 Fleer or UV sets? I've asked my wife if we could move to Detroit but she keeps saying no. Gotta run. Its 7am so that means its time for the SEC football spring football update show on the radio for the next three hours. Today they will go through the conference and talk about which recruits were signed. This is only a small exaggeration. Thanks for listening to the early morning whine.. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 14:22:51 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet, Spike and all, Looking in my SG (2008) under Venezuelans, the picture example of a card still has the "printed in USA" on the back. Do Venezuelan's for 1966 have this on all backs? Meanwhile, I find a 1966 Topps #51 with no "printed in USA" on the back, but it doesn't look any different than the other 1966s otherwise. What gives? Richard D To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dkrice@nycap.rr.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:28:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet,Venezuelan... Thanks for confirming my suspicion, Spike. So I have four cards. Does this mean I have to start the set? -O Oh No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! On 3/16/2012 10:53 AM, Matthew Glidden wrote: Hi Don, Yes, you've got Venezuelans. The dark salmon color and rougher fronts are the giveaway. Congrats, those look nice! On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Don Rice wrote: [Attachment(s) from Don Rice included below] I picked up a small stack of 1966 Topps recently, and I noticed a few cardslooked a little different than the others. The card stock was flatter, with no natural curl. The fronts were somewhat toned, with a manilla hue. The backs were brighter red, and the cardboard a little coarser. On further inspection, I found all four cards like this were Mets. I thought they might be OPC, but they are not printed in Canada. Comparing the cards to those in my collection, they are nearly identical, EXCEPT that two have no "Printed in USA" inscriptions (two cards do have that notation). I've attached scansof one example, next to a regular card. Any ideas? Was there a Mets-only regional issue in 1966? Or did I luck out and come up with few Mets culled from the Venezuelan issue (there is no Spanish on any of the cards). My voteis I have 35-Swoboda, 191-Sutherland, 328-Grote, and 360-Hunt. Thanks, Don ================= To: Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 17:04:42 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet, I guess I don't have any, but not sure. Several have a deeper orange color on the back, but none have a manilla tone to the front. Looks like I would have to see one to know... Thanks much, guys. To: brightair@msn.com CC: glidden.matthew@gmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dkrice@nycap.rr.com Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2012 16:38:19 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet,Venezuelan... Richard... I can only speak for the four '66 Venezuelans I now have. Two have "Printed in U.S.A.", while two have no printing designation. All have a much deeper orange red color to the backs than the usual Topps issue, and all have a somewhat manilla-like tone to both the fronts and backs. Comparedto the normal Topps issue, the back's color really stands out as 'different". P.S. My #51 Topps issue also has no printing designation. On 3/31/2012 2:22 PM, richard dingman wrote: Spike and all, Looking in my SG (2008) under Venezuelans, the picture example of a card still has the "printed in USA" on the back. Do Venezuelan's for 1966 have this on all backs? Meanwhile, I find a 1966 Topps #51 with no "printed in USA" on the back, but it doesn't look any different than the other 1966s otherwise. What gives? Richard D To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dkrice@nycap.rr.com Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2012 11:28:50 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 Topps Mets regional issue? Or better yet,Venezuelan... Thanks for confirming my suspicion, Spike. So I have four cards. Does this mean I have to start the set? -O Oh No-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o! On 3/16/2012 10:53 AM, Matthew Glidden wrote: Hi Don, Yes, you've got Venezuelans. The dark salmon color and rougher fronts are the giveaway. Congrats, those look nice! On Fri, Mar 16, 2012 at 10:39 AM, Don Rice wrote: [Attachment(s) from Don Rice included below] I picked up a small stack of 1966 Topps recently, and I noticed a few cards looked a little different than the others. The card stock was flatter, with no natural curl. The fronts were somewhat toned, with a manilla hue. The backs were brighter red, and the cardboard a little coarser. On further inspection, I found all four cards like this were Mets. I thought they might be OPC, but they are not printed in Canada. Comparing the cards to those in my collection, they are nearlyidentical, EXCEPT that two have no "Printed in USA" inscriptions (two cards do have that notation). I've attached scans of one example, next to a regular card. Any ideas? Was there a Mets-only regional issue in 1966? Or did I luck out and come up with few Mets culled from the Venezuelan issue (there is no Spanish on any of the cards). My vote is Venezuelan. I have 35-Swoboda, 191-Sutherland, 328-Grote, and 360-Hunt. Thanks, Don