================= Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 03:01:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: nice weekend We got back from the Canton, Texas First Trade Days yesterday. It is supposedly the biggest flea market in the country. I completed my 1956 set with the addition of the Mays and the Dodgers team. I also did serious damage to my 1961 and 1962 Fleer sets. I bought everything from one dealer who was from the Dallas area. It rained all day Saturday and I mean all day. It started at 8 in the morning on Saturday and when we left on Sunday at 5 a.m. it was still raining. It rained on us for the next 6 hours. It was an 11 hour drive each way. We rented a 12 person van - we had 6 people. We filled the entire back and one seat with stuff we bought. It was nice as I got to spend time with my sister in law, brother in law and 2 of my nephews. Take care, Richard Labs ================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:47:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night Content-Language: en You have got to scan that early directory (probably about 15 names?) and that OBC Gallery (was that an original "guess the OBCer"?). In a message dated 9/26/2012 7:53:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: I wanted to take a moment to write about the OBC get together at my house last night. John Stamper, Peter Iverson, and Larry Tipton came over for some cards, conversation, and dinner. Larry used to live relatively close to me in the EARLY days of OBC. We had not seen each other in probably 15 years but it was great! First off, let me say that my wife Tiffany was nervous...she was worried that our little crazy beagle mix would bite one of the guests. She need not have worried...Zoe was well behaved after some initial barking and really seemed to warm up to John as she kept bringing him her toy to play with. Just shows that OBCers can win over even the scariest of little dogs! I showed off some of my collection incl. much of my phillies stuff from 1887-1935. They also got to see a new T205 binder. I then let them go through my dups box and pick out whatever was needed. Hopefully everyone got some needed or fun stuff. Also pulled out the original OBC directory that was printed on PAPER and an original OBC photo gallery that incl. Larry!! Both those were circa 1990-1ish. I was also handed a stack of ARCO Phillies which are always welcome incl. Bunning and some 53s from Larry and a nice stack of cards incl. a 71 Super Kaline!! from John. Thanks so much guys. Let Larry drive us to dinner down the street at a little bar/restaurant/microbrew...good food and a great waitress (hi Kelly). Dinner was great, the company was fantastic and it was my sincere pleasure (as well as Tiffany...who now wants to go to dinner with us next time!) to open our house to everyone. So much fun! Thanks again everyone! PS the pic. Tiffany took is great!! Thanks for sending it over Larry! ================= Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 00:50:13 -0400 (EDT) To: larrytipton@windstream.net, elliottt61@yahoo.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Mettle Tester" [1 Attachment] Content-Language: en He looks more like Lyle Alzado in that pic! In a message dated 9/28/2012 5:01:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, larrytipton@windstream.net writes: [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://09a274c0/default.html#TopText) from Larry Tipton included below] To test ones "mettle" means to be prepared to put ones spirit or courage to the test. Todays mail brought a box of cards from Tom Elliott, stuffed with 267 hits to my newly expanded wantlist. Included was one card meant to test my mettle. 1970 Topps number one card in the set Len Dawson. Ink additions to this card include scribbled jersey number, John Lennon glasses, ink drawn beard that SF Giant Brian Wilson would be proud to wear, and of course an added hair style that I actually wore myself in the mid seventies. Thanks for the "test" Tom, but this beauty now resides in its honored place as the first card in line for my 1970 Topps football set. And #001 on 1970 Topps football wantlist has been removed. A valiant and courageous effort Tom, and one that has been tried again and again since 1991. But Guru collects cards in ANY and I mean ANY condition! ================= Date: Tue, 02 Oct 2012 23:12:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: A reminder to all new & existing members Hi gang, Just like the title says - this is a gentle reminder. Often I've found myself with some dupes & checked the "who collects what" section of the OBC site, only to discover that many members' websites no longer match with what they have stated as their collecting goals, because of recent set completions, changes in collecting activity, etc. Everyone has the ability to update their profile, including what sets you collect. So, if you haven't updated in a while (or ever), here's how to do it: 1) Go to oldbaseball.com 2) click "directory" 3) click "update your address or collecting goals" 4) click "update OBC profile information" 5) select your name from the dropdown list, and enter your password. Then click "log in" 6) The next page gives you everything you need to create (or update) your OBC biography, mailing address, birthday, yadda yadda yadda. Underneath thatis a large section for you to check off what sets you're working on. If you want to collect it - check a box. If you've completed a set, please UNcheck the box. Then, underneath your bio, click the "update profile" button - and you're all done! We now return you to the evening festivities. ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 10:07:16 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Share a lot of B18 Blankets? I was thinking of bidding on a big lot of B18 Blankets...but probably only need about 20% of the lot. Is anyone interested in sharing the lot? Figure the final cost to be about $15 per blanket...pretty nice looking overall.If you're interested, let me know ASAP. ================= To: , Date: Wed, 3 Oct 2012 12:20:41 -0400 From: Subject: 1965 Topps Football to trade Hi Guys: Have the following 1965 Topps Football cards to trade, would like to get hits to my 1962-65, 1972 Topps Football or 1964-67 Topps Baseball wantlist any condition will do. Here is what I have to trade. 1 Addison Poor 44 Warlick Good 59 McGeever Vg 67 Baker Poor 75 Floyd Poor trimmed team name missing 76 Glick Poor 98 Cornelison Poor 103 Holub Poor 104 Hunt Ex-mt but trimmed to size of a regular card 146 Powell Poor 146 Powell Vg 159 Graham Vg 162 Karas Ex-mt but trimmed to a size of a regular card 165 Lincoln Ex-Mt o/c 167 MacKinnon Poor 168 Mix Ex 171 Redman Good 175 Wright Good Nick Covello ================= To: Andy , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 09:40:16 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Andy Cook isn't getting OBC emails Andy doesn't seem to be getting OBC email. Can the email guru make sure hewasn't ================= To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 14:18:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night Okay Sal (and everyone)...here is the oldest directory I have (front and back)...I do think it is the original directory that was sent out paper mail to everyone. Somewhere, I think i have a hard copy of the original directory that was sent via email. Note on the directory...prodigy ids only. It predates Sal too. I might be wrong but the only active OBCers still from this list are Peter, Todd, Bob Neill, Larry, and myself. It is the rare variation where Rick Ellison and Mark Staller were late additions. It scanned whitebut is actually green paper. As close as I can tell from my notes, this directory was first sent out at the end of 1991 or beginning of 1992. Also included is the original OBC photo directory...again sent via snail mail on a piece of copy paper. Larry Tipton is featured on this one. It predates the guess the OBCer by about 3 years I think. This was sent in 1992 (middle of the year I think). If the computer guru wants to add this to the OBC library...I think that might be great (maybe make it password protected because of the addresses andphone number though!!). -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: Wite3 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last You have got to scan that early directory (probably about 15 names?) and that OBC Gallery (was that an original "guess the OBCer"?). In a message dated 9/26/2012 7:53:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Wite3@aol.com I wanted to take a moment to write about the OBC get together at my houselast night. John Stamper, Peter Iverson, and Larry Tipton came over for some cards, conversation, and dinner. Larry used to live relatively close to me in the EARLY days of OBC. We had not seen each other in probably 15 years but it was great! First off, let me say that my wife Tiffany was nervous...she was worriedthat our little crazy beagle mix would bite one of the guests. She need not have worried...Zoe was well behaved after some initial barking and really seemed to warm up to John as she kept bringing him her toy to play with. Just shows that OBCers can win over even the scariest of little dogs! I showed off some of my collection incl. much of my phillies stuff from 1887-1935. They also got to see a new T205 binder. I then let them go through my dups box and pick out whatever was needed. Hopefully everyone got some needed or fun stuff. Also pulled out the original OBC directory thatwas printed on PAPER and an original OBC photo gallery that incl. Larry!! Both those were circa 1990-1ish. I was also handed a stack of ARCO Phillies which are always welcome incl.Bunning and some 53s from Larry and a nice stack of cards incl. a 71 Super Kaline!! from John. Thanks so much guys. Let Larry drive us to dinner down the street at a little bar/restaurant/microbrew...good food and a great waitress (hi Kelly). Dinner was great, the company was fantastic and it was my sincere pleasure (as well as Tiffany...who now wants to go to dinner with us next time!)to open our house to everyone. So much fun! Thanks again everyone! PS the pic. Tiffany took is great!! Thanks for sending it over Larry! ================= Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 12:41:13 -0700 (PDT) To: Joshua Levine , "ChicoD1@aol.com" , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night [3 Attachments] Very cool! I think I have the one that was done as a map, sometime around 1995ish or so...I'll have to dig it out this weekend... Take Care, From: Joshua Levine To: ChicoD1@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 5, 2012 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Joshua Levine included below] Okay Sal(and everyone)...here is the oldest directory I have (front and back)...I do think it is the original directory that was sent out paper mail to everyone. Somewhere, I think i have a hard copy of the original directorythat was sent via email. Note on the directory...prodigy ids only. It predates Sal too. I might be wrong but the only active OBCers still from this list are Peter, Todd, Bob Neill, Larry, and myself. It is the rare variationwhere Rick Ellison and Mark Staller were late additions. It scanned white but is actually green paper. As close as I can tell from my notes, this directory was first sent out at the end of 1991 or beginning of 1992. Also included is the original OBC photo directory...again sent via snail mail on a piece of copy paper. Larry Tipton is featured on this one. It predates the guess the OBCer by about 3 years I think. This was sent in 1992 (middle of the year I think). If the computer guru wants to add this to the OBC library...I think that might be great (maybe make it password protected because of the addresses andphone number though!!). -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: Wite3 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last You have got to scan that early directory (probably about 15 names?) and that OBC Gallery (was that an original "guess the OBCer"?). In a message dated 9/26/2012 7:53:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Wite3@aol.com >I wanted to take a moment to write about the OBC get together at my house last night.John Stamper, Peter Iverson, and Larry Tipton came over for some cards, conversation, and dinner. >Larry used to live relatively close to me in the EARLY days of OBC. We had not seen each other in probably 15 years but was great! >First off, let me say that my wife Tiffany was nervous...she was worried that our little crazy beagle mix would bite oneof the guests. She need not have worried...Zoe was well behaved after some initial barking and really seemed to warm up to John as she kept bringinghim her toy to play with. Just shows that OBCers can win over even the scariest little dogs! >I showed off some of my collection incl. much of my phillies stuff from 1887-1935. They also got to see a new T205 binder. I then let them go through my dups box and pick out whatever was needed. Hopefully everyone got some needed or fun stuff. Also pulled out the original OBC directory that was printed on PAPER and an original OBC photo gallery that incl. Larry!! Both those were circa 1990-1ish. >I was also handed a stack of ARCO Phillies which are always welcome incl. Bunning and some 53s from Larry and a nice stack of cards incl. a 71 Super Kaline!! from John. Thanks so much guys. >Let Larry drive us to dinner down the street at a little bar/restaurant/microbrew...good food and a great waitress (hi >Dinner was great, the company was fantastic and it was my sincere pleasure (as well as Tiffany...who now wants to go to dinner withus next time!) to open our house to everyone. >So much fun! Thanks again >PS the pic. Tiffany took is great!! Thanks for sending it over Larry! ================= Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2012 16:44:19 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: 1959 topps football I just picked up most of the 2nd series of this set along with a number of dupes. was hoping to trade the dupes for cards I am needing for the 1st most of the cards I have to offer are ex and better. if you need more specific please let me know #'s 90 91 93 94 95 99 100 103 105 109 110 112 113 116 122 130 131 132 133 138 140 142 144 147 148 150 154 155 163 166 167 169 170 173 174 175 176 #'s 1-88 161(cleveland team card) let me know and thanks John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 01:22:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Redford show this Sunday I am not sure I can make it, as I have a project to finish up, and the Tigers/A's game is at noon on Sunday, but there is a Redford show this Sunday for those wishing to attend. You can let us know if you attending in case we also make it. Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 05 Oct 2012 22:02:09 -0400 To: mikesportsfan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John E Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Redford show this Sunday ================= Date: Sat, 06 Oct 2012 23:08:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: who are the AARON collectors Last weekend I came across a plastic lunch bag with Aaron on one side and Catfish Hunter on the other side - first aaron collector to respond gets the bag Richard Labs ================= Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2012 23:20:22 -0400 (EDT) To: wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night Content-Language: en Oh man this is CLASSIC! I think my *P id was bfg066a. I came in a little after that. Take a look at some of the pics! Unk Phil looks like son of sam. Guru still looks the same (Dammit!). Dr Dave, Chatah (Mark).. WOW. I must have a copy of one of the "Guess the OBCer" at my folks house somewhere. Oh yeah and Fuzzy was one of the first guys I traded with/bought cards from. And look at Ryan! More like the Pre Teenager! In a message dated 10/5/2012 2:18:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wite3@aol.com writes: Okay Sal (and everyone)...here is the oldest directory I have (front and back)...I do think it is the original directory that was sent out paper mail to everyone. Somewhere, I think i have a hard copy of the original directory that was sent via email. Note on the directory...prodigy ids only. predates Sal too. I might be wrong but the only active OBCers still from this list are Peter, Todd, Bob Neill, Larry, and myself. It is the rare variation where Rick Ellison and Mark Staller were late additions. It scanned white but is actually green paper. As close as I can tell from my notes, this directory was first sent out at the end of 1991 or beginning of 1992. Also included is the original OBC photo directory...again sent via snail mail on a piece of copy paper. Larry Tipton is featured on this one. It predates the guess the OBCer by about 3 years I think. This was sent in 1992 (middle of the year I think). If the computer guru wants to add this to the OBC library...I think that might be great (maybe make it password protected because of the addresses and phone number though!!). -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: Wite3 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night You have got to scan that early directory (probably about 15 names?) and that OBC Gallery (was that an original "guess the OBCer"?). In a message dated 9/26/2012 7:53:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) writes: I wanted to take a moment to write about the OBC get together at my house last night. John Stamper, Peter Iverson, and Larry Tipton came over for some cards, conversation, and dinner. Larry used to live relatively close to me in the EARLY days of OBC. We had not seen each other in probably 15 years but it was great! First off, let me say that my wife Tiffany was nervous...she was worried that our little crazy beagle mix would bite one of the guests. She need not have worried...Zoe was well behaved after some initial barking and really seemed to warm up to John as she kept bringing him her toy to play with. Just shows that OBCers can win over even the scariest of little dogs! I showed off some of my collection incl. much of my phillies stuff from 1887-1935. They also got to see a new T205 binder. I then let them go through my dups box and pick out whatever was needed. Hopefully everyone got some needed or fun stuff. Also pulled out the original OBC directory that was printed on PAPER and an original OBC photo gallery that incl. Larry!! Both those were circa 1990-1ish. I was also handed a stack of ARCO Phillies which are always welcome incl. Bunning and some 53s from Larry and a nice stack of cards incl. a 71 Super Kaline!! from John. Thanks so much guys. Let Larry drive us to dinner down the street at a little bar/restaurant/microbrew...good food and a great waitress (hi Kelly). Dinner was great, the company was fantastic and it was my sincere pleasure (as well as Tiffany...who now wants to go to dinner with us next time!) to open our house to everyone. So much fun! Thanks again everyone! PS the pic. Tiffany took is great!! Thanks for sending it over Larry! ================= Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 14:10:41 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night Content-Language: en Wow! I was cleaning out some boxes a couple of days ago and came across an OBC Photo Gallery which has two pictures of a road trip I made to Arlington, Texas back in 92?. Terry Woods (TexPoobah), Larry Tipton(Guru), Todd Knowles(Todd8), George Hay(GHay1), and Mark Shelton(Chata) were pictured back The back page contains a picture I'm thinking is from the National in St. Louis with Dan Cipra, Mike Czape,Phil Chmielewski, Rick Keating, Jim Wiehe, and Joel Glickman. Can't remember who put this one together. Also, found some old For Collectors Only publications from 1995 thru 1997 that Phil Chmielewski and crew put together back in the day. Also, found a illustration by Greg Kuhn of Mickey Mantle as well as the Guess te OBCer. Great nostalgia for sure. I'm now going to try and organize a folder for all this great stuff. In a message dated 10/6/2012 10:20:31 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ChicoD1@aol.com writes: Oh man this is CLASSIC! I think my *P id was bfg066a. I came in a little after that. Take a look at some of the pics! Unk Phil looks like son of sam. Guru still looks the same (Dammit!). Dr Dave, Chatah (Mark).. WOW. I must have a copy of one of the "Guess the OBCer" at my folks house somewhere. Oh yeah and Fuzzy was one of the first guys I traded with/bought cards from. And look at Ryan! More like the Pre Teenager! In a message dated 10/5/2012 2:18:45 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wite3@aol.com writes: Okay Sal (and everyone)...here is the oldest directory I have (front and back)...I do think it is the original directory that was sent out paper mail to everyone. Somewhere, I think i have a hard copy of the original directory that was sent via email. Note on the directory...prodigy ids only. predates Sal too. I might be wrong but the only active OBCers still from this list are Peter, Todd, Bob Neill, Larry, and myself. It is the rare variation where Rick Ellison and Mark Staller were late additions. It scanned white but is actually green paper. As close as I can tell from my notes, this directory was first sent out at the end of 1991 or beginning of 1992. Also included is the original OBC photo directory...again sent via snail mail on a piece of copy paper. Larry Tipton is featured on this one. It predates the guess the OBCer by about 3 years I think. This was sent in 1992 (middle of the year I think). If the computer guru wants to add this to the OBC library...I think that might be great (maybe make it password protected because of the addresses and phone number though!!). -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: Wite3 ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 9:47 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] finally home from work and can write about last night You have got to scan that early directory (probably about 15 names?) and that OBC Gallery (was that an original "guess the OBCer"?). In a message dated 9/26/2012 7:53:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) writes: I wanted to take a moment to write about the OBC get together at my house last night. John Stamper, Peter Iverson, and Larry Tipton came over for some cards, conversation, and dinner. Larry used to live relatively close to me in the EARLY days of OBC. We had not seen each other in probably 15 years but it was great! First off, let me say that my wife Tiffany was nervous...she was worried that our little crazy beagle mix would bite one of the guests. She need not have worried...Zoe was well behaved after some initial barking and really seemed to warm up to John as she kept bringing him her toy to play with. Just shows that OBCers can win over even the scariest of little dogs! I showed off some of my collection incl. much of my phillies stuff from 1887-1935. They also got to see a new T205 binder. I then let them go through my dups box and pick out whatever was needed. Hopefully everyone got some needed or fun stuff. Also pulled out the original OBC directory that was printed on PAPER and an original OBC photo gallery that incl. Larry!! Both those were circa 1990-1ish. I was also handed a stack of ARCO Phillies which are always welcome incl. Bunning and some 53s from Larry and a nice stack of cards incl. a 71 Super Kaline!! from John. Thanks so much guys. Let Larry drive us to dinner down the street at a little bar/restaurant/microbrew...good food and a great waitress (hi Kelly). Dinner was great, the company was fantastic and it was my sincere pleasure (as well as Tiffany...who now wants to go to dinner with us next time!) to open our house to everyone. So much fun! Thanks again everyone! PS the pic. Tiffany took is great!! Thanks for sending it over Larry! ================= To: Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2012 20:31:10 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: 74 Topps Pick a stack of these up at a local Flea Market. Send me a note if you are working on this and are not to condition sensitive ================= Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 16:15:44 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: a couple of ryans and a seaver available for trade hello, I picked up a box last friday with a lot of cool stuff in it, some for my set and some for trade. 1968 Tom Seaver g/vg- lower corner tore off, 1970 Nolan Ryan ex+ card, however, someone wrote his number on his chestuniform in ink. 1971 Nolan Ryan vg/ex- couple of nice cards. if interested please let me know John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 05:19:10 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: 1938 goudey #285 (Raymond "RIP" Radcliff) available for trade Igot this card in a box i picked up on friday, not thinking of doing this set at this time. not sure what it is worth, guess it depends on the person. condition appears to be VG+, pretty sharp corners, slight paper loss on back in two small email me if you are interested and want a pic and I will get one to you. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:16 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Mathews. Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= To: , Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:21:19 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I think the brown ink is indicative of a "Twinkie" meaning a cards that was placed individually in single packs of twinkies as opposed to on the back of boxes of Hostess products. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rjsfgmv@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Mathews. Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 17:10:08 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Doug DeJong Subject: Some 56 Availables Hitting up some wantlists but found a few needing homes - don't be shy. Please include your mailing address. Thanks - Doug ================= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 03:59:32 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob Donaldson From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Hello Randy, In this case I will disagree with Bob, the Twinkee cards from this year aredistinguished by vertical bars centered at the top and bottom of the stat boxes on the back of the card. Sometimes the font of the stats are much smaller and on those cards that have been cut too close to determine the vertical bars there are often "tell-tale" grease stains that come from the cake resting on the cardboard. The brown ink you describe IS a variation as it has been noted that the set can be found in both black and brown by a numberof collectors. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Donaldson" To: rjsfgmv@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:21:19 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I think the brown ink is indicative of a =E2=9CTwinkie=E2=9D meaning a cards that was placed individually in single packs of twinkies as opposedto on the back of boxes of Hostess products. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rjsfgmv@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= To: obcbobd@gmail.com, rjsfgmv@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 01:14:53 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Bob is right...it is a twinkie product...would like to see a scan of the other card though. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Donaldson To: rjsfgmv ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:22 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I think the brown ink is indicative of a =E2=9CTwinkie=E2=9D meaninga cards that was placed individually in single packs of twinkies as opposed to on the back of boxes of Hostess products. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rjsfgmv@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= To: "Joshua Levine" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:05:12 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions ================= To: "'Joshua Levine'" , Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 07:44:53 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Maybe I=E2=99m right. I=E2=99ve always heard that brown meant twinkie. However, a look through my cards (I was a twinkie eater as a kid) showsalmost no brown cards including a couple of full twinkie boxes I have. So, if all browns are twinkies, all twinkies are not browns! I also have about 75 cards that came with individual packed snacks. They are different sizes depending on the type of cake they came with. They all have the black bar and are black. The ones that are on very narrow cardboard have the smaller type font. From: Joshua Levine [mailto:wite3@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:15 AM To: obcbobd@gmail.com; rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Bob is right...it is a twinkie product...would like to see a scan of the other card though. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Donaldson To: rjsfgmv ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:22 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I think the brown ink is indicative of a =E2=9CTwinkie=E2=9D meaninga cards that was placed individually in single packs of twinkies as opposed to on the back of boxes of Hostess products. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of rjsfgmv@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= To: , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:14:12 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I have a card just like the 67 you describe...I think it's a 69T though. I'd guess these are probably printer's scrap from the test run of the decals...all the rage in t206 land, but just a printing curiosity with Topps issues. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:16 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Mathews. Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= To: "'Mac Wubben'" , Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:28:52 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Wow whatever they are they seem pretty cool. I'd love to see a picture. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mac Wubben Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 9:14 AM To: rjsfgmv@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I have a card just like the 67 you describe...I think it's a 69T though. I'd guess these are probably printer's scrap from the test run of the decals...all the rage in t206 land, but just a printing curiosity with Topps To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:16 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Mathews. Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 12:28:21 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: Japanese Card Dealer Scum as many of you know, I have been running Robs Japanese cards for about a dozen years. Orders have now become so rare that I'm planning on closing down the website and just selling on ebay now and then. But I'm left with tens of thousands of Japanese vintage and modern cards. I don't feel comfortable giving most of these away but if any OBCer is interested in starting to collect Japanese cards - old or new - or wants a starter set, or a few Japanese HOFers please email me. I will sell much of my stock at cost for OBCers rob fitts ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 10:20:05 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Question on Who Collects What I've been going through the "Who Collects What" section of the Web Server, which is great to help find what wantlists to check. Would it be possible to add FB, Hockey and Basketball? Also, T218s. ================= To: obcbobd@gmail.com, wite3@aol.com, rjsfgmv@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 10:26:09 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I have to agree with Mark Talbot. The Hostess can be found with black or some with brown also. Twinkies are single cards with a bar about 1/2 way upthe card on each side. The 75 cards referenced below are Twinkies. No bar, not a Twinkie, although as Mark pointed out, sometimes the cards have been cut to the dashed lines and therefore you cannot tell if they had been aTwinkie or are Hostess cards. Stains, as mentioned, are usually inidcative of Twinkie, not Hostess. Hostess were issued 1975-9, while Twinkies wereonly 1975-7. I still need about 25 from each year of Twinkies, if anyone has any to swap. A numvber of us are getting closer on the Hostess sets, either individually or in panels. Aside from mark & myself, I thinkk Steve and Brock are getting close. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Bob Donaldson To: 'Joshua Levine' ; rjsfgmv ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 7:45 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Maybe I=E2=99m right. I=E2=99ve always heard that brown meant twinkie. However, a look through my cards (I was a twinkie eater as a kid) showsalmost no brown cards including a couple of full twinkie boxes I have. So, if all browns are twinkies, all twinkies are not browns! I also have about 75 cards that came with individual packed snacks. They are different sizes depending on the type of cake they came with. They all have the black bar and are black. The ones that are on very narrow cardboard have the smaller type font. From: Joshua Levine [mailto:wite3@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2012 1:15 AM To: obcbobd@gmail.com; rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions Bob is right...it is a twinkie product...would like to see a scan of the other card though. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Donaldson To: rjsfgmv ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 10, 2012 1:22 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I think the brown ink is indicative of a =E2=9CTwinkie=E2=9D meaninga cards that was placed individually in single packs of twinkies as opposed to on the back of boxes of Hostess products. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rjsfgmv@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 4:09 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Card questions I was hoping to get some information. I have a 1976 Hostess card with brown ink instead of black ink. 1976 #142 Gary Is that a variation? a reprint made in 2007? not Hostess at all? Also I have a card that is a 1967 #436 Pete ward. Looks just like a 1967 card except it has what looks like a 1969 Topps decal in the bottom right corner. It does not seem to be a decal glued on. Any help? I feel like everyone knows the answer except me Randy Welk ================= To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 14:53:13 -0400 (EDT) From: typecard@aol.com Subject: test ================= Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 12:57:49 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: older basketball att got some vintage basketball in a box I got a week ago, I don't collect basketball so thought I would throw it out to see if anyone wanted to do a trade. 78/79 maravich #80, malone #381 77/78 Erving #10073/ 73/74 barry #90 75/75 nets team leader #282 73/74 nba field goall pct ldrs. #146 75/76 barry #50 all in exmt and better, leaning towards the better John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:03:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Fwd: CHRISTY MATHEWSON To my Los Angeles contingent...I cannot go either of those days but I highly recommend it if you are into baseball...it is great (just ask Peter!) -----Original Message----- From: bmednick To: wite3 Sent: Sat, Oct 13, 2012 8:32 am Subject: CHRISTY MATHEWSON Eddie Frierson will be performing his one man show MATTY: AN EVENING WITH CHRISTY MATHEWSON November 4-5 at the Fremont Centre Theatre in South Pasadena. See www.matty.org or www.fremontcentretheatre.com for details. ================= To: Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2012 22:09:12 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: preWar TRading I've the following pre-war dups and would be interested in trading for pre-war wants from my list especially T202s, 38 Goudeys, W60s and Kashins. Also, some post war (61 and 67 Hi Nums) Thanks for looking T206 Magee paper loss on back W560 Bell 33 Goudey (mostly g/vg) 34 96 112 115 120 131 skinned back 136,137, 143, 146,206, 228 1934-36 Diamond Stars (f to g) 24 31 34 42 51 1939 Playball s/ writing on front 4 7 Doerr 11 28 97 109 111 115 108 1939 Playball 100 P 108 P back seperated from front 110 VG but notch in 1938 Goudey 244 261 1939 Hu num 129 VG+ 1941 Goudey Dario Lodigiani (red) vg+ 1941 Doubleplay cut in half 49 50 115 127 133 141 1941 Playball 31P` 47 I also have a number of T205s/T207s and E90-1s that, while not dups, I may be interested in trading for something from my list. ================= Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 11:48:42 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Couple availables Fellas -- I've offered a couple of these before, but no takers. Here they are again to make some room in my Dupes Box for Cobbs, Speakers, and Mathewsons... Don't be shy...I've got stamps to burn! 1969 Milton Bradley #186 Jim McGlothlin 1975 OPC #39 Andre Thornton 1975 OPC #104 Bill Madlock Madlock was on his way over from the Rangers in a trade for Fergie Jenkins.His job was to replace Ron Santo...tough way to come into Wrigley, replacing two HOFers. Even with a Batting Title as a Cub, he never really became a fan favorite as Santo was tough to replace. It was good to see him continue his success with the Pirates later on... Take Care, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 15:44:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: Question on Who Collects What Hi Bob, Great suggestion - Joe Isaac is working on it this weekend, & hopefully we'll have something up soon. For all of the group - if you, like Bob, have any suggestions (website, etc, whatever makes our collecting easier), feel free to post it to Ramblings or e-mail an AC member. Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 16:18:03 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Football and Basketball Available Some misc football and basketball available. 51 Topps # 11 55 Bowman #30 57 Topps #5 cut in half 58 Topps #76 60 Topps #115 61 Topps # 21 90 61 Fleer # 48 52 64 Philly # 123 66 Philly # 121 67 Topps # 73 ? Topps Checklist #31 Eagles Team Card ? Topps Checklist # 71 Rams 68 Topps # 5 8 30 72 103 186 70 topps Glossy 17 19 21 70 Kellogs many, send list 71 Kellogs # 37 44 71 Topps Game many send me your list Have a # of mid/late 70's Basketball please send list ================= To: OBC-Ramblings Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2012 21:39:26 -0400 From: Joe Isaac Subject: Re: Question on Who Collects What Hey everyone, The Who Collects What page has been updated to reflect Basketball, Footballand Hockey collections. The new categories have been tested and all is ready to go. You will find the new checkboxes at the bottom of the Profile Page. Bob Donaldson also asked to have T218's added and this category can be found under Other Pre-War. You will notice a new look to the buttons on the Who Collects What page. The brown buttons were very old fashion and a light gray was chosen to compliment the blue background. Joe Isaac From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obcbobd@gmail.com Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 3:44 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Question on Who Collects What Hi Bob, Great suggestion - Joe Isaac is working on it this weekend, & hopefully we'll have something up soon. For all of the group - if you, like Bob, have any suggestions (website, etc, whatever makes our collecting easier), feel free to post it to Ramblings or e-mail an AC member. Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 07:28:27 -0400 To: Joe Isaac , OBC-Ramblings From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: Question on Who Collects What Wow that was quick! Thanks Joe On 10/14/12, Joe Isaac wrote: > Hey everyone, > The Who Collects What page has been updated to reflect Basketball, Football > and Hockey collections. The new categories have been tested and all is > ready to go. You will find the new checkboxes at the bottom of the Profile > Page. > Bob Donaldson also asked to have T218's added and this category can be found > under Other Pre-War. > You will notice a new look to the buttons on the Who Collects What page. > The brown buttons were very old fashion and a light gray was chosen to > compliment the blue background. > Enjoy! > Joe Isaac > From: Tom Housley > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; obcbobd@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 3:44 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Question on Who Collects What > Hi Bob, > Great suggestion - Joe Isaac is working on it this weekend, & hopefully > we'll have something up soon. > For all of the group - if you, like Bob, have any suggestions (website, etc, > whatever makes our collecting easier), feel free to post it to Ramblings or > e-mail an AC member. > Tom Housley Sent from my mobile device ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 09:37:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Corvello Subject: Alert I don't quite know who to approach for help about this in the various trading groups, but I seem to be having an infection problem in my wantlist pagethat is hosted by 50megs. I was involved with a trade with one of our traders when I tried to access my page this morning, but I was unable to connect to it. I then received an alert from my virus protection software that indicated the problem might have something to do with a Trojan Horse. Right now, I just want to be certain to get out the warning to anyone who was thinking of looking at my wants and availables; but I am also wondering about where to go from here with my page. I have written to 50megs to alert them and to ask for help. Sorry if this causes any confusion. Bob Corvello ================= To: Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 10:39:11 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Article on Burdick - Hobby History FYI for Hobby History fans. This week's SCD's cover story is about Jefferson Burdick's first card catalog in 1939. The article is now posted on our "Library" page under George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:06:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Bob Corvello Subject: test Bob Corvello ================= Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 12:22:42 -0400 (EDT) To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Article on Burdick - Hobby History Content-Language: en Fantastic piece, thanks George. In a message dated 10/15/2012 11:38:59 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, vrechek@ameritech.net writes: FYI for Hobby History fans. This week=E2=99s SCD=E2=99s cover story is about Jefferson Burdick=E2=99s first card catalog in 1939. The article is now posted on our =E2=9CLibrary=E2=9Dpage George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 16:35:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Kent Subject: On the DL I'm having right shoulder repair tomorrow morning. So, I'm going to be on the disabled list for awhile. I'll keep everyone posted as to how things go.Go ================= Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:11:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: On the DL Learn to throw lefty, you'll stick around the league longer :-) --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Kent wrote: > I'm having right shoulder repair tomorrow morning. So, I'm going to be onthe disabled list for awhile. I'll keep everyone posted as to how things go. Go Cards. > Cheers, > Kent > kwg0@... ================= Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:12:49 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: Couple availables I also just found another 1975 OPC to add - #129 Rick Monday. Don't be shy if you want any... Take Care, From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sunday, October 14, 2012 12:48 PM Subject: Couple availables Fellas -- I've offered a couple of these before, but no takers. Here they are again to make some room in my Dupes Box for Cobbs, Speakers, and Mathewsons... Don't be shy...I've got stamps to burn! 1969 Milton Bradley #186 Jim McGlothlin 1975 OPC #39 Andre Thornton 1975 OPC #104 Bill Madlock Madlock was on his way over from the Rangers in a trade for Fergie Jenkins.His job was to replace Ron Santo...tough way to come into Wrigley, replacing two HOFers. Even with a Batting Title as a Cub, he never really became a fan favorite as Santo was tough to replace. It was good to see him continue his success with the Pirates later on... Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 22:31:27 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? ================= Date: Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:54:16 -0700 (PDT) To: Matthew Glidden , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player I presume you meant someone other than Piersall (who never played for the Tigers). Jim Delsing, maybe? My money is on Kuenn. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:31 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? ================= To: "'Matthew Glidden'" , Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:07:23 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at Billy Hoeft's wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-7215762 Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:40:49 -0700 (PDT) To: Grant Rainsley , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player OK, and nowexalted Billy Hoeft Fan Club President can you tell us whatBilly's bride was famous for? "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 10:07:31 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at Billy Hoeft=E2=99s wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:48:19 -0700 (PDT) To: EEK , Grant Rainsley , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player I'm not sure I like where this is going......... Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: EEK To: Grant Rainsley ; Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player OK, and nowexalted Billy Hoeft Fan Club President can you tell us whatBilly's bride was famous for? "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 10:07:31 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at BillyHoeft=E2=99s wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 07:51:41 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Did Girardi send her in to pinch hit for A-Rod this postseason? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: EEK To: Grant Rainsley ; Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player OK, and nowexalted Billy Hoeft Fan Club President can you tell us whatBilly's bride was famous for? "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 10:07:31 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at BillyHoeft=E2=99s wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com/ Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= To: "'EEK'" , Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:18:09 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player I=E2=99m digging deep here, but it seems to me she was an athlete herself.........not sure which field though...........but do tell Eek............. From: EEK [mailto:originaleek1@att.net] Sent: October-16-12 7:41 AM To: Grant Rainsley; Matthew Glidden; obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player OK, and now exalted Billy Hoeft Fan Club President can you tell us what Billy's bride was famous for? "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 10:07:31 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at BillyHoeft=E2=99s wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:29:26 -0400 To: obc ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Looks like Harvey Kuenn to me. Bill Malson ---- Matthew Glidden wrote: > Hi guys, > I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a > handful of guys. > http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ > Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the > sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or > Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? > Spike ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:52:30 -0400 (EDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Potential OBCer Did anyone else receive an email from Shawn Smart offering cards? Has anyone dealt with him before? Randy Welk ================= To: , Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:02:55 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential OBCer Not me. Richard D To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 15:52:30 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential OBCer Did anyone else receive an email from Shawn Smart offering cards? Has anyone dealt with him before? Randy Welk ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 14:16:41 -0700 (PDT) To: Grant Rainsley , From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Billy Hoeft's wife was famous for..........marrying Billy Hoeft! "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: EEK ; Matthew Glidden ; ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 12:18:13 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player I=E2=99m digging deep here, but it seems to me she was an athlete herself.........not sure which field though...........but do tell Eek............. From:EEK [mailto:originaleek1@att.net] Sent: October-16-12 7:41 AM To: Grant Rainsley; Matthew Glidden; obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player OK, and nowexalted Billy Hoeft Fan Club President can you tell us whatBilly's bride was famous for? "we keep what we give away!" From:Grant Rainsley To: Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 10:07:31 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at Billy Hoeft=E2=99s wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:02:12 -0400 To: rjsfgmv@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential OBCer ================= Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:15:14 -0700 (PDT) To: "rjsfgmv@aol.com" , From: Jeffrey Whitworth Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential OBCer I also received an email from him offering cards. I have yet to receive a response from my return email. I have never dealt with him before. Jeff Whitworth From: "rjsfgmv@aol.com" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 12:52 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential OBCer Did anyone else receive an email from Shawn Smart offering cards? Has anyone dealt with him before? Randy Welk ================= Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: need help please--baseball and football becketts hello, planning to attend the chicago sun show in november and thought Imight like to take along a copy of a football and baseball beckett for reference. really didn't want to buy a new one if I could help it and wondered if anyone had an older edition (say 6months) that they would part with. I will try to come up with some trade for you, or cover cost of shipping. thanks in advance. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2012 15:23:27 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jake Elwell Subject: New book alert: Non Sport/Mars Attacks Non Sport collectors might appreciate this new release - the full story behind the Topps Mars Attacks set. http://www.abramsbooks.com/Books/Mars_Attacks-9781419704093.html Never knew the set was pulled after 55 cards because of legal threats over it being "unsuitable for children." ================= Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 11:31:08 -0400 To: dugout traders , OBC ramblings From: John E Dahms Subject: 78-79 malone and 77-78 erving still available ================= Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 20:49:01 +0000 (UTC) To: "Ramblings (OBC) " From: Geordie Calvert Subject: now what? (help!!!) ;) Thanks to some guidance and advice from Geno and Joshua, yesterday's mail yielded the last card I needed to finish up my T205 Superbas set (Irvin Wilhelm "suffe ed" version). With that pickup, the three pre-war team sets I was chasing are done (T205, T206, 1933 Goudey). So... now what? Somewhere around 15 years ago Peter Iverson sent me a fantastic list of pre-war Brooklyn Nationals/Grooms/Superbas/Dodgers sets. There are a LOT of choices, but I pretty constrained by what I can reasonably afford to spend on cardboard these days. I chose to leave the family furniture business a couple of years ago, and while I'm much happier, the pay cut was quite substantial. I'd love some input from you guys: what set would you recommend to someone on a budget, and yet is appealing to the eye. I'm leaning towards 1941 Play Ball, maybe even a 1939-1941 Play Ball run. Any others I should be considering? Any comments on how tough a Play Ball run would be? Thanks much - appreciate the read and any advice y'all can pass on. BTW, for those that haven't seen my scans, here's a link: http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm ================= Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:36:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Tigers Win!!! Tigers Win!! Tigers Win...Tigers Win.. ================= Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 16:41:35 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NUF SAID! go tigers your american league champions John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2012 23:43:45 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC ramblings From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I'm proud to be a TOE. Congrats, Tigers! ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Dahms" To: "OBC ramblings" , "VCT" , "dugout traders" , "trading bases" Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 4:41:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] SWEEP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NUF SAID! go tigers your american league champions John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 09:41:38 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Shriner's Show in Wilminton MA and OBC Shirts for Boston Area Members Reminder that the Annual Shriner's BB Card Show is in two weeks http://www.alepposhriners.com/events.html Also, as some of you know Mac Wubben had some pretty nice OBC shirts made up this summer. I will be seeing him next week, so if you are going to the Shriner's show let me know and I will pick you up one so that you can save $ on shipping the shirts. (Spike, I already have one for you). I believe the shirts are $6. I can give it to you at the Shriner's show or another local location TBD. ================= Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 07:24:34 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: information on sportscard digest, trying to get this to come up in a search on ebay.....but I don't think i am putting in the search right. looking for one of the bigger books that has all the cards listed. anyone help me with a good search? John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: thanks to all for the info thanks to all for the information on the SCD.....I followed bob donaldsons link and bought that one. thanks again John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 13:05:17 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Re: now what? (help!!!) ;) "Now what?", is always a good question. What sets are "doable?" My experience as to Playballs is a long story. In 1957 I needed about 350 of the 374 cards that cover 1939 to 1941 Playballs. When I started back into the hobby in 1981, I still needed 350 cards. By 2000 I was down to needing 207 cards. Today I need 27 cards. I worked on 1939 first, then 1941 and finally 1940. Next will be the variations in each set. Maybe the good news is that you can find many of these cards in lousy condition and therefore "doable" prices. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2012 19:49:03 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: information about exhibit cards wanted please hello all, didn't plan on going to a show til the chicago show next month, but when OBC favorite dealer Danny Phillips emailed me and told me he had another box of off conditioned cards ready for me to pick up.....so i made the complete and total sacrafice and drove the hour over to the show and picked it up....he was pretty excited with the box, pointing out a couple of things in it......included were7 exhibit cards. my question for thegroup is how in the heck (wanted to cuss but this is a family type group) do you tell which set they are from? in the scd they say it is easy because their might bedifferent color backing or something stupid like that. please, can someone or someones please help me out? P.S. I have already got an order for his next box....wasn't too keen at first with the first box but it really grew on me.....and now i am hooked. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 09:28:17 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Exhibit cards, another long story. The Exhibit Supply Co. of Chicago (mostly) issued baseball cards, movie stars, and all sorts of other types from 1921 to 1966 (mostly). Each year (mostly) the baseball cards would be printed on sheets with 32 or 64 or 128 cards issued (mostly). The pre-1939 cards are relatively pricey. Starting in 1939 the cards were found with "salutations." After 1947, the salutations on the cards were dropped on newer cards but some old cards like Ted Williams continued to be printed with salutations each year after 1947. Each year when they printed the 32 or 64 cards they would select players. Some guys like Jim Hegan and Williams seemed to get selected every year and reprinted. Others like Pete Ward were probably one year wonders. Each year (mostly) they would tickle something as to the copyright wording and location on the bottom right and left corners. (The defunct magazine "Penny Arcade" had a year by year history). Some years they printed with different inks. In 1962 and 1963 they put statistics on the back - black or red ink for 1962 and red only for 1963.. They also added postcard backs in 1955, Wrigley Field exhibits in 1961, Hall of Famers in 1948. A collector (Ron Merchant? Of Illinois) purchased the remains of the defunct Exhibit Supply Co. and reissued many cards in 1980 and perhaps other years. The cards include different poses, different players, the same players, different colors, different copyrights. Other "reprints" are out there as well along with cards that are similar to the Exhibit Supply Co format. Usually the easiest way to tell an "original" from a later printing is the gray or yellowed cardboard back versus nearly white backs. The difference in value may be $100 versus 20 cents, if you get fooled by a You can collect Exhibit cards and their variations forever. It's fun, but don't ever expect to collect a "set." George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 14:20:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: '69 pinkos? When looking at some dupes recently, I came across the pair shown in the attached scan. If these were'62s, we'd call 'em "greenies". So is the left one a "pinko"? Has anyone ever seen a pink tint before? Wow -- perhaps I am the forefather of a new set for variation collectors. People for generations will be saying "Rittenberg and his *#&$ '69 pinkos". Ahhh, to dream of immortality. ================= Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 15:44:45 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Exhibit Mantles on ebay This lot seems too cheap. Any opinions? I have a $42 snipe bid programmed in for about 9:15 ET tonight. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300795228133&ssPageName=ADME:B:WNA:US:1123 If I win, let me know if you want to split the lot. ================= Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 13:52:42 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: 75 mini's and 78 topps available for trade I picked up around 1200 mini's and 800 or so 78 topps (no stars)at a show yesterday, gonna go thru and fill my holes with the mini's and the rest are up for trade. will look at any lists, just let me know. I am really looking for hits to my list, or 73 topps baseball cards (I am thinking of putting a 2nd set together) let me know and thanks John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:48:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Storing and displaying 5" pins Mike Rich generously shared some 5" Red Sox pins with me at the National in Baltimore. How should I store or display them? Thanks. -- Steve Rittenberg ================= To: "Steve Rittenberg" ,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:59:07 +0000 From: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Storing and displaying 5" pins On a Yankees cap Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T -----Original Message----- From: Steve Rittenberg Sender: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 16:48:54 To: Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Storing and displaying 5" pins Mike Rich generously shared some 5" Red Sox pins with me at the National in Baltimore. How should I store or display them? Thanks. -- Steve Rittenberg ================= Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:59:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bill Ashton" Subject: Cracker Jack Panels I have both, NL & AL, 1982 Cracker Jack Panels intact and VG-EX. Who will give them a good home? Bill Ashton ================= To: "'Steve Rittenberg'" , Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:10:09 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Storing and displaying 5" pins Put a Pennant on the wall and pin them to the pennant. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Steve Rittenberg Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 5:49 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Storing and displaying 5" pins Mike Rich generously shared some 5" Red Sox pins with me at the National in Baltimore. How should I store or display them? Thanks. -- Steve Rittenberg ================= To: "'George and Susan Vrechek'" , Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:47:19 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Here are a couple of pretty good web sites that document the subtle printing differences each year http://centuryoldcards.com/1930/1939-66ExhibitInfo.html http://keymancollectibles.com/exhibitdatechart.htm From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George and Susan Vrechek Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: jd3681@yahoo.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Exhibit cards, another long story. The Exhibit Supply Co. of Chicago (mostly) issued baseball cards, movie stars, and all sorts of other types from 1921 to 1966 (mostly). Each year (mostly) the baseball cards would be printed on sheets with 32 or 64 or 128 cards issued (mostly). The pre-1939 cards are relatively pricey. Starting in 1939 the cards were found with "salutations." After 1947, the salutations on the cards were dropped on newer cards but some old cards like Ted Williams continued to be printed with salutations each year after 1947. Each year when they printed the 32 or 64 cards they would select players. Some guys like Jim Hegan and Williams seemed to get selected every year and reprinted. Others like Pete Ward were probably one year wonders. Each year (mostly) they would tickle something as to the copyright wording and location on the bottom right and left corners. (The defunct magazine "Penny Arcade" had a year by year history). Some years they printed with different inks. In 1962 and 1963 they put statistics on the back - black or red ink for 1962 and red only for 1963.. They also added postcard backs in 1955, Wrigley Field exhibits in 1961, Hall of Famers in 1948. A collector (Ron Merchant? Of Illinois) purchased the remains of the defunct Exhibit Supply Co. and reissued many cards in 1980 and perhaps other years. The cards include different poses, different players, the same players, different colors, different copyrights. Other "reprints" are out there as well along with cards that are similar to the Exhibit Supply Co format. Usually the easiest way to tell an "original" from a later printing is the gray or yellowed cardboard back versus nearly white backs. The difference in value may be $100 versus 20 cents, if you get fooled by a You can collect Exhibit cards and their variations forever. It's fun, but don't ever expect to collect a "set." George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 01:53:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Gremlin gone I went to the local Gibraltar card show today. I was notified that John Dahms was there yesterday, by 3 or 4 different dealers. John's notoriety in OBC is growing! I went because dealer Danny Phillips (who deisplays an OBCsticker on his showcases) had sent me his mass e-mail of the show and items he would have. Even though the prices are always out of line, I was intrigued enough to go, when he mentioned he had a stack of GlendalesTonite, I was filing away the Glendales, when lo and behold, I found my missing Dan Dee short print Cooper to complete that set. I had thought I had completed it at the National, but Cooper had gone missing. Huge find, and a set completed! So with the thanks just posted, this has been a great week for cards. This was really needed this week. In addition to both of my parents havinghad surgery in the last 8 days, and my father having complications so I was in the emergency room into the early hours of the next morning, I got a call from my boss, who informed me I had to decide on a person to lay off this coming week. I had thought if this would happen it would be in a few months. the timing really shocked me, and I do not know how we will get our work done with 1 less person. Considering my newest staff person has been with me for 5 years, it makes it that much more difficult. It is really nice to have the cards to distract me. Mike Rich ================= To: originaleek1@att.net, grains@shaw.ca, glidden.matthew@gmail.com, Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 22:09:13 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player At teh Gibraltar card show today I was at aa table when a collector mentioned that Billy used to live in a local suburb, Livonia. I knew that, as that I show I was able to get the Tigers aslumni association to arrange for Billy to attend a card show sponsored by the Livonia Jaycees around 1982. Mubuddy, Rocky, whose 1962 & 1963 Topps lists are on my OBC page, was in theJaycees and asked me to help promote the show. We got Billy and Paul Foytack to show up and autograph for free. Ah, the good old days! Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: EEK To: Grant Rainsley ; Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 16, 2012 5:16 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Billy Hoeft's wife was famous for..........marrying Billy Hoeft! "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: EEK ; Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 12:18:13 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player I=E2=99m digging deep here, but it seems to me she was an athlete herself.........not sure which field though...........but do tell Eek............. From: EEK [mailto:originaleek1@att.net] Sent: October-16-12 7:41 AM To: Grant Rainsley; Matthew Glidden; obc ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player OK, and now exalted Billy Hoeft Fan Club President can you tell us what Billy's bride was famous for? "we keep what we give away!" From: Grant Rainsley To: Matthew Glidden ; obc ramblings Sent: Tue, October 16, 2012 10:07:31 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player My vote is for Kuenn as well, who just happened to be the Best Man at BillyHoeft=E2=99s wedding J (Now THAT is trivia!) From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: October-15-12 7:31 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help identifying a 1950s Tigers player Hi guys, I'm researching this photo and narrowed the sliding Tiger is one of a handful of guys. http://www.flickr.com/photos/boston_public_library/5984455625/in/set-72157626281013667/lightbox/ Based on the game situation, uniform numbers, and 3rd base coach, the sliding Tiger is either Harvey Kuenn, Joe Ginsberg, Jimmy Piersall, or Steve Soucock. Has anyone seen enough shots of them to say which one? No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2741 / Virus Database: 2614/5833 - Release Date: 10/15/12 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 00:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: t205 research... For those of you not on net54...I posted a bit of overdue back math on the site tonight and thought I would share it here as well.... I have some time this afternoon and want to share a bit of information about the T205 advertising backs. Specifically, the #'s of backs seen as a percentage of total backs. Now, keep in mind that this is NOT all t205 backs ever but as most of you know, I tend to keep information and follow the backspretty closely. I compiled sales data from ebay, major (and some minor) auction houses, shows (rare now), and even some private sales and data provided by other t205 collectors. My methods I feel are fairly accurate and givea decent representation of the hobby but I certainly missed some things. The first thing I will post is the last time I publicly shared information on percentages. This was from 2005. Then I will show you what I have now (through 2012). In the last 7 years several large hordes and collections havecome to market and several collectors have opened their collections to me.In 2005 the sample size was just over 3100 cards. Now I have data on 22000!! I did not include blank backs in this either. At the bottom, I put a bitof my own analysis but draw your own conclusions. So...here we go...first the cards from 2005 for those who do not remember Advertiser Color Fact. Code # of cards seen %Total Piedmont Blue 25 512 16.4 Polar Bear Blue 473 15.2 Sweet Cap. Red 451 14.5 Sweet Cap. Black 25 321 10.3 Sweet Cap. Black 42 309 9.9 Hassan Green 649 307 9.9 Honest Long Cut Black 307 9.9 Sovereign Green 191 6.1 Cycle Black 107 3.4 Hassan Green 30 99 3.2 American Beauty Black 17 .55 American Beauty Green 8 .26 Piedmont Blue 42 6 .19 Broadleaf Black 2 .06 Broadleaf Green 2 .06 Hindu Brown 2 .06 Drum Brown 0 .00 Total 205s taken for this research: 3114 Now the data from 2012. Advertiser Color Fact. Code # of cards seen %Total Piedmont Blue 25 4167 18.9 Polar Bear Blue 3524 16.0 Sweet Cap. Red 3071 14.0 Sweet Cap. Black 25 2125 9.7 Sweet Cap. Black 42 2053 9.3 Hassan Green 649 1761 8.0 Honest Long Cut Black 1739 7.9 Sovereign Green 1580 7.2 Cycle Black 718 3.3 Hassan Green 30 496 2.3 Piedmont Blue 42 205 .93 American Beauty Green 189 .86 American Beauty Black 163 .74 Broadleaf Black 80 .36 Broadleaf Green 71 .32 Hindu Brown 44 .20 Drum Brown 27 .12 Total: 22013 Looking at the two charts you can see a few things. First, the common backsremained relatively the same except the %'s. I can see that Sovereign has increased a bit due to some recent finds while Piedmont 25 has increased a great deal. It is by far the most common back. The rare backs have been selling a bit more often of late including the American Beauties. The Green has moved ahead of the Black there. Also Piedmont 42s have jumped ahead of the American Beauties. In 2005, I had only seen a handful of hindus and no drums. I knew they were around but did not have any data. A few "recent" finds (incl. the St. Louis drum find) have added a bunch of numbers to them. Drum is still the king in rarity with hindu and broadleaf green(khaki) close behind. I am still surprised I do not see Hassan 30s more often. Lastly, I want to put the caveat out there that this is my data alone and others may disagree. That is fine and I know this is not perfect but I do FEEL that this is a good representation of the back breakdown for T205s. An OBC Postscript: Added 8 more cards today to my personal collection. Withthat and the trade I just did with Andy Cook, I will now have 1501 total t205s in my personal collection when they arrive. That includes one near master set (minus the Hoblitzell no stats), one additional front only set, andabout 1000 duplicates...Larry, Peter, and John got to see the binders whenthey were here. I am actually shocked I have that many!! It is truly my obsession (other than my phillies collection which there is news on as well, but that is for another email!). ================= Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:43:12 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: regarding the 75 mini's and 78 topps to all that responded to my post, if I haven't emailed to you that I didn't find anything for you the good news is that I was able to find something for you. the bad news is that I put the cart before the horse and needto get my 73's that I have listed. so please bear with me as i go to bed for my nitely beauty sleep and will get to these tomorrow morning. then I will email with all that I have for you. thanks for your patience. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:42:56 -0400 (EDT) To: Joshua Levine From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] t205 research... That's truly astonishing. I've been working on a base set (without all the variations - although I have some) for about 15 years and still have 9 to go. This is similar to my obsession with the 1933 WWG set (although not in the same class). If I'm ever out that way, I'd love to see your collection. Awesome. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joshua Levine" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 11:39:24 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] t205 research... For those of you not on net54... I posted a bit of overdue back math on thesite tonight and thought I would share it he re as well.... I have some time this afternoon and want to share a bit of information about the T205 advertising backs. Specifically, the #'s of backs seen as a percentage of total backs. Now, keep in mind that this is NOT all t205 backs ever but as most of you know, I tend to keep information and follow the backspretty closely. I compiled sales data from ebay, major (and some minor) auction houses, shows (rare now), and even some private sales and data provided by other t205 collectors. My methods I feel are fairly accurate and givea decent representation of the hobby but I certainly missed some things. The first thing I will post is the last time I publicly shared information on percentages. This was from 2005. Then I will show you what I have now (through 2012). In the last 7 years several large hordes and collections havecome to market and several collectors have opened their collections to me.In 2005 the sample size was just over 3100 cards. Now I have data on 22000!! I did not include blank backs in this either. At the bottom, I put a bitof my own analysis but draw your own conclusions. So...here we go...first the cards from 2005 for those who do not remember Advertiser Color Fact. Code # of cards seen %Total Piedmont Blue 25 512 16.4 Polar Bear Blue 473 15.2 Sweet Cap. Red 451 14.5 Sweet Cap. Black 25 321 10.3 Sweet Cap. Black 42 309 9.9 Hassan Green 649 307 9.9 Honest Long Cut Black 307 9.9 Sovereign Green 191 6.1 Cycle Black 107 3.4 Hassan Green 30 99 3.2 American Beauty Black 17 .55 American Beauty Green 8 .26 Piedmont Blue 42 6 .19 Broadleaf Black 2 .06 Broadleaf Green 2 .06 Hindu Brown 2 .06 Drum Brown 0 .00 Total 205s taken for this research: 3114 Now the data from 2012. Advertiser Color Fact. Code # of cards seen %Total Piedmont Blue 25 4167 18.9 Polar Bear Blue 3524 16.0 Sweet Cap. Red 3071 14.0 Sweet Cap. Black 25 2125 9.7 Sweet Cap. Black 42 2053 9.3 Hassan Green 649 1761 8.0 Honest Long Cut Black 1739 7.9 Sovereign Green 1580 7.2 Cycle Black 718 3.3 Hassan Green 30 496 2.3 Piedmont Blue 42 205 .93 American Beauty Green 189 .86 American Beauty Black 163 .74 Broadleaf Black 80 .36 Broadleaf Green 71 .32 Hindu Brown 44 .20 Drum Brown 27 .12 Total: 22013 Looking at the two charts you can see a few things. First, the common backsremained relatively the same except the %'s. I can see that Sovereign has increased a bit due to some recent finds while Piedmont 25 has increased a great deal. It is by far the most common back. The rare backs have been selling a bit more often of late including the American Beauties. The Green has moved ahead of the Black there. Also Piedmont 42s have jumped ahead of the American Beauties. In 2005, I had only seen a handful of hindus and no drums. I knew they were around but did not have any data. A few "recent" finds (incl. the St. Louis drum find) have added a bunch of numbers to them. Drum is still the king in rarity with hindu and broadleaf green(khaki) close behind. I am still surprised I do not see Hassan 30s more often. Lastly, I want to put the caveat out there that this is my data alone and others may disagree. That is fine and I know this is not perfect but I do FEEL that this is a good representation of the back breakdown for T205s. An OBC Postscript : Added 8 more cards today to my personal collection. With that and the trade I just did with A ndy Cook, I will now have 1501 totalt205s in my personal collection when they arrive. That includes one near master set (minus the Hoblitzell no stats), one additional front only set, and about 1000 duplicates... Larry , Peter, and John got to see the binders when they were here. I am actually shocked I have that many !! It is truly my obsession (other than my phillies collection which there is news on as well , but that is for another email!). ================= To: , , Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 11:19:39 -0400 From: Taylor Schock Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted Another cool site is http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/interestingexhibitcards. it has some great images, includes items beyond baseball, and also has some images for cards that are NOT Exhibits as well. To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com CC: jd3681@yahoo.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:47:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Here are a couple of pretty good web sites that document the subtle printing differences each year http://centuryoldcards.com/1930/1939-66ExhibitInfo.htmlhttp://keymancollectibles.com/exhibitdatechart.htm thanks Bob From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George and Susan Vrechek Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: jd3681@yahoo.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Exhibit cards, another long story. The Exhibit Supply Co. of Chicago (mostly) issued baseball cards, movie stars, and all sorts of other types from 1921 to 1966 (mostly). Each year (mostly) the baseball cards would be printed on sheets with 32 or 64 or 128 cards issued (mostly). The pre-1939 cards are relatively pricey. Starting in 1939 the cards were found with =93salutations.=94 After 1947, the salutations on the cards were dropped on newer cards but some old cards like Ted Williams continued to be printed with salutations each year after 1947. Each year when they printed the 32 or 64 cards they would select players. Some guys like Jim Hegan and Williams seemed to get selected every year and reprinted. Others like Pete Ward were probably one year wonders. Each year (mostly) they would tickle something as to the copyright wording and location on the bottom right and left corners. (The defunct magazine =93Penny Arcade=94 had a year by year history). Some years they printed with different inks. In 1962 and 1963 they put statistics on the back =96 black or red ink for 1962 and red only for 1963.. They also added postcard backs in 1955, Wrigley Field exhibits in 1961, Hall of Famers in 1948. A collector (Ron Merchant? Of Illinois) purchased the remains ofthe defunct Exhibit Supply Co. and reissued many cards in 1980 and perhapsother years. The cards include different poses, different players, the same players, different colors, different copyrights. Other =93reprints=94 areout there as well along with cards that are similar to the Exhibit Supply Co format. Usually the easiest way to tell an =93original=94 from a later printing is the gray or yellowed cardboard back versus nearly white backs. The difference in value may be $100 versus 20 cents, if you get fooled by a reprint.You can collect Exhibit cards and their variations forever. It=92s fun, but don=92t ever expect to collect a =93set.=94George Vrechek ================= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 09:55:05 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: regarding mike richs card show ramble In a different ramble yesterday I stated that I did attend the card show inTaylor on friday. Like Mike I wasn't planning on attending but went over because of an email from Danny Phillips. Danny was very proud of the fact that he was handed an OBC Sticker of his case and I was very impressed with this as well. This was the most productive card show I have attended at gibralter. besides picking up the box of off condition cards from Danny i was able to score a nice size stack of 50's and 60's off condition football along with themini's from a guy for a great price. my second stop was to a table I normally wouldn't stop into but for some reason something caught my eye and Iam glad it did. I was able to get the 68 Mantle card I needed along with five of the remaining six 72 topps hi #'s. I asked the guy for his best price on the lot and he offered them to me for what he had priced for themantle....and I didn't think the mantle was that badly priced. on the next table I found the last 72 topps I needed, the horton card.....no way tohaggle on this one as it is a hi # card and a tiger card to boot. I guess that thru my talking with the likes of Mike Rich, Mark Talbot and Ron Perry I am getting a better idea of scoping out tables at the shows, getting a better idea of what dealers are so very over priced and whom willdeal. with this idea going in I started wandering thru the tables with an idea of trying to find certain things for certain sets. Looking forward to the show in chicago, got a couple of emails from sometrading friends letting me know they will be attending, and this will be very cool as well. sorry for the long ramble. got to get back to listing some cards and sending emails on the mini's. have a great day all GO TIGERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: taylor_schock@hotmail.com, obcbobd@gmail.com, vrechek@ameritech.net, Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 16:17:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please I agree with Taylor...this is Adam Warshaw's site (who I am trying to convince to become an OBCer). He not only has extensive knowledge (and collection) on exhibits but actually wrote the book on boxing cards (available on amazon if I recall). -----Original Message----- From: Taylor Schock To: obcbobd ; vrechek ; obc-ramblings Cc: jd3681 Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 8:19 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Another cool site is http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/interestingexhibitcards. it has some great images, includes items beyond baseball, and also has some images for cards that are NOT Exhibits as well. To: vrechek@ameritech.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com CC: jd3681@yahoo.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2012 19:47:19 -0400 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Here are a couple of pretty good web sites that document the subtle printing differences each year http://centuryoldcards.com/1930/1939-66ExhibitInfo.html http://keymancollectibles.com/exhibitdatechart.htm From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George and Susan Vrechek Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Cc: jd3681@yahoo.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: information about exhibit cards wanted please Exhibit cards, another long story. The Exhibit Supply Co. of Chicago (mostly) issued baseball cards, movie stars, and all sorts of other types from 1921 to 1966 (mostly). Each year (mostly) the baseball cards would be printedon sheets with 32 or 64 or 128 cards issued (mostly). The pre-1939 cards are relatively pricey. Starting in 1939 the cards were found with =E2=9Csalutations.=E2=9D After 1947, the salutations on the cards were droppedon newer cards but some old cards like Ted Williams continued to be printed with salutations each year after 1947. Each year when they printed the 32or 64 cards they would select players. Some guys like Jim Hegan and Williams seemed to get selected every year and reprinted. Others like Pete Ward were probably one year wonders. Each year (mostly) they would tickle something as to the copyright wording and location on the bottom right and left corners. (The defunct magazine =E2=9CPenny Arcade=E2=9D had a year by year history). Some years they printed with different inks. In 1962 and 1963they put statistics on the back =E2=93 black or red ink for 1962 and red only for 1963.. They also added postcard backs in 1955, Wrigley Field exhibits in 1961, Hall of Famers in 1948. A collector (Ron Merchant? Of Illinois) purchased the remains of the defunct Exhibit Supply Co. and reissued many cards in 1980 and perhaps other years. The cards include different poses, different players, the same players, different colors, different copyrights. Other =E2=9Creprints=E2=9D are out there as well along with cardsthat are similar to the Exhibit Supply Co format. Usually the easiest way to tell an =E2=9Coriginal=E2=9D from a later printing is the gray or yellowed cardboard back versus nearly white backs. The difference in value may be $100 versus 20 cents, if you get fooled by a reprint. You can collect Exhibit cards and their variations forever. It=E2=99s fun, but don=E2=99t ever expect to collect a =E2=9Cset.=E2=9D George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:08:12 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: 1970 Kelloggs Question Picked up a 1970 Kelloggs Brooks Robinson, that is blanked backed and not 3-D, looks like it is hand cut. Same size as my other 3Ds tough. Was this cut from a box? Is it a super rare printers test card ;-) Either way I only payed a dime so I won't complain. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 15:21:22 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Couple availables Fellas -- I found a 1971 Dell Team Stamps Dave Cash in the Dupes Box if anybody is interested in it. I also still have that 1969 Milton Bradley Jim McGlothlin that needs a home. Let me know if you need either one (or both). Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 18:07:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Cheap 1959 variation on eBay I have this one but maybe you can use it... http://www.ebay.com/itm/1959-TOPPS-RALPH-LUMENTI-316-NO-TRADE-STATEMENT-POOR-/390405397703?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item5ae5f99cc7 ================= To: obcbobd@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:29:59 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Kelloggs Question I think this was part of the promotion on the cereal boxes. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Bob Donaldson To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 6:08 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1970 Kelloggs Question Picked up a 1970 Kelloggs Brooks Robinson, that is blanked backed and not 3-D, looks like it is hand cut. Same size as my other 3Ds tough. Was this cut from a box? Is it a super rare printers test card ;-) Either way I only payed a dime so I won=E2=99t complain. ================= To: , Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:41:46 -0400 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '69 pinkos? [1 Attachment] I'm pretty sure I have a pinko of the same card, and maybe a couple others with near by #'s, but it is difficult to tell with out a "whitey" to compare it to. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Rittenberg To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2012 3:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '69 pinkos? [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Steve Rittenberg included below] When looking at some dupes recently, I came across the pair shown in the attached scan. If these were'62s, we'd call 'em "greenies". So is the left one a "pinko"? Has anyone ever seen a pink tint before? Wow -- perhaps I am the forefather of a new set for variation collectors. People for generations will be saying "Rittenberg and his *#&$ '69 pinkos". Ahhh, to dream of immortality. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 20:37:42 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Rick Lyons Subject: O Canada I went to a show today in Canada picked up 6 high numbers needed three but would like to trade the other three for ones I need. If anyone has any dupes give me a ring. I have 315 Durocher,323 Church and 338 Yvars. I started the day at needing 202 cards to finish the topps run and picked up 28 hits 8-51 topps red backs, 5-52 topps and 15-53 topps all high numbers.Picked up a few other things so it's been worth the 2 hour drive there. Best find was a grey back from the 131-190 series if you guys have been following these lower grade have been going for minimum 200$ each on ebay was looking to pick up some black backs when i spotted it in a handful of commons and got it for 10 bucks pretty good shape too. Had one of these when George V put out there a guy was looking for 2 cards to finish a second set he was working on and it happen to be the one I had so I traded it for 4 of them. Then traded three of them to Patrick Prickett of VCT for a bunch of 52 topps stars and high numbers to get me back to one. Now up to two again only 60 cards in that variation set but highly unlikely to ever get the cards. Rick ================= Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:20:48 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: obc page question I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set had already finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. just asking John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: , Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:32:39 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] obc page question I had thought about this for myself as I have finished a couple vintage sets, but I am still looking for variations and upgrades on all sets so I decided to leave my name on all the sets I am working on in any way. However, if the day ever arrives when I am completely done with a set, then I feel Ishould take my name off that particular set. Not sure how others are thinking, does that make sense? Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jd3681@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 13:20:48 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc page question I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set had already finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can getin and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. just asking John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:37:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: obc page question I brought this issue up myself a week or so ago. The responsibility falls directly on each OBC member; whatever sets you check-off on your bio page, those are the ones that show up in the "who collects what" page. So go to your bio page, make sure the sets you collect are up-to-date, and you should be good to go. I encourage EVERYONE to take 5 minutes (well, in the case of Mike Rich & his Endless Number Of Sets, 5 hours) and update your bio page. It really is easy & quick, and in the long run it helps those of us who like to use the "who collects what" page to find new homes for dupes. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, John Dahms wrote: > I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set hadalready finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway wecan get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. > just asking > thanks > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 15:27:40 -0700 (PDT) To: John Dahms , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc page question Fellas -- There is a way to clean it up, but the "we" is actually a "you." You need to go on your Profile page and click the boxes for the sets you're working on. It's super easy and makes life easier for those of us that use the page quite a bit to spread dupes around. Take a couple minutesnext time you're there and update your info! Take Care, From: John Dahms To: OBC ramblings Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 2:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc page question I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set had already finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. just asking John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:35:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: 6 easy steps on "how to update your bio, directory info & collecting goals" Hi guys & Linda, Since this has come up a couple of times recently, and since I've received a few e-mails from members asking how - if you don't remember how to updateyour collecting goals, or update your address & other directory info, or modify (or create) an OBC bio, it's very easy. Here's how: 1) Go to oldbaseball.com 2) Click "Directory" 3) Click "Update OBC Profile Information" 4) Click "update your address or collecting goals" 5) Select your name from the dropdown & enter your password & click the "log in" button 6) Your bio, directory information, and collecting goals are now displayed.Make whatever changes you want to, then click the "update profile" button that's right under the large bio box. All done! Any changes automatically update your collecting goals (which is what shows up in the "who is working on what set" links), your Directory information, and your bio. Go ahead - check it out! ================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 03:34:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: Some sad news My mom died this past Monday. I have been busy helping my brother with everything---and unfortunately being 5 hours away not being much help despite my best efforts. If you were needing a response for something please bear with me--hope to go through e-mails and post thanks etc. in the near future. Mom was one of a kind--we'll really miss her. Brian Betza ================= Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 20:49:22 -0700 (PDT) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question Not to sound to harsh but I quit using it also a while back for the same reason From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 8:00 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question I brought this issue up myself a week or so ago. The responsibility falls directly on each OBC member; whatever sets you check-off on your bio page, those are the ones that show up in the "who collects what" page. So go to your bio page, make sure the sets you collect are up-to-date, and you should be good to go. I encourage EVERYONE to take 5 minutes (well, in the case of Mike Rich & his Endless Number Of Sets, 5 hours) and update your bio page. It really is easy & quick, and in the long run it helps those of us who like to use the "who collects what" page to find new homes for dupes. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, John Dahms wrote: > I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set hadalready finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. > just asking > thanks > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:05:31 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays Saw this on ebay. seller obviously has no clue about cards that have 'created' autographs. You think the card is real and if so, how far would you go on this one? _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-WILLIE-MAYS-BOWMAN-TRADING-CARD-/310485743939? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-WILLIE-MAYS-BOWMAN-TRADING-CARD-/310485743939?pt=US_Baseball&hash=item484a647943) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 05:54:45 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: FOOT area BB talk October 29 See below. Please let me know if you plan on attending. Mike Rich If you are a Detroit Tigers history fan, be sure to catch =E2=9CBaseballTalk,=E2=9D a Detroit Tigers slide show for the entire family to be held at 7 p.m. Monday, Oct. 29, in the Livonia City Center Library, 32777 FiveMile As part of the =E2=9CHistory Lives=E2=9D Speaker's Series, Hall of Fame catcher Rick Ferrell's daughter, Kerrie Ferrell, narrates photographs that trace her father's 63 yearsin the American League as a baseball player, coach and Tigers executive. From 1958-92, Rick Ferrell worked as Detroit Tigers GM/VP with Jim Campbell in the Tiger Stadium front office. Based on her biography, Rick Ferrell, Knuckleball Catcher, the slide show follows Rick Ferrell's 18-year catching career (1929-47). Kerrie Ferrell relates insidestories of her dad as he played for the Red Sox, Senators and Browns, catching behind heroes like Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio and brother/pitcher Wes Ferrell. Rick Ferrell's subsequent 42 years with the Detroit Tigers as a coach, scout and front-office executive are covered, along with changes to the game ofbaseball thathe experienced, helping to assemble both the 1968 and 1984 World Series championship teams. A question-and-answer discussion follows theshow, with books available for sale and signing. For more information, visit www.kerrieferrell.com See below. Please let me know if you plan on attending. Mike Rich If you are a Detroit Tigers history fan, be sure to catch =E2=9CBaseballTalk,=E2=9D a Detroit Tigers slide show for the entire family to be held at 7 p.m. Monday, Oct. 29, in the Livonia City Center Library, 32777 FiveMile As part of the =E2=9CHistory Lives=E2=9D Speaker's Series, Hall of Fame catcher Rick Ferrell's daughter, Kerrie Ferrell, narrates photographs that trace her father's 63 yearsin the American League as a baseball player, coach and Tigers executive. From 1958-92, Rick Ferrell worked as Detroit Tigers GM/VP with Jim Campbell in the Tiger Stadium front office. Based on her biography, Rick Ferrell, Knuckleball Catcher, the slide show follows Rick Ferrell's 18-year catching career (1929-47). Kerrie Ferrell relates insidestories of her dad as he played for the Red Sox, Senators and Browns, catching behind heroes like Babe Ruth, Lou Gehrig, Joe DiMaggio and brother/pitcher Wes Ferrell. Rick Ferrell's subsequent 42 years with the Detroit Tigers as a coach, scout and front-office executive are covered, along with changes to the game ofbaseball thathe experienced, helping to assemble both the 1968 and 1984 World Series championship teams. A question-and-answer discussion follows theshow, with books available for sale and signing. For more information, visit www.kerrieferrell.com ================= To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 06:23:43 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays appears legit to me. High seller rating. Funny line about an unauthenticated Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:05 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays Saw this on ebay. seller obviously has no clue about cards that have 'created' autographs. You think the card is real and if so, how far would you go on this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-WILLIE-MAYS-BOWMAN-TRADING-CARD-/310485743939?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem484a647943 ================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 08:46:13 -0400 (EDT) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays and....... Content-Language: en Looks just like mine, nicer than mine, but same coloring and all. I am sure others have seen or noticed this before but I never did, he signed his name here, assuming they reprinted his signature, without an "s"on Mays. Looking at his signature in later years he changed it dramatically from this if this was his signature and it always shows the s. In a message dated 10/24/2012 6:24:17 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: appears legit to me. High seller rating. Funny line about an unauthenticated autograph. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: ChicoD1 To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 2:05 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays Saw this on ebay. seller obviously has no clue about cards that have 'created' autographs. You think the card is real and if so, how far would you on this one? _http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-WILLIE-MAYS-BOWMAN-TRADING-CARD-/310485743939? (http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-WILLIE-MAYS-BOWMAN-TRADING-CARD-/310485743939?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem484a647943) ================= To: , "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 09:53:44 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays I had previously bid on this one...I am in the market for the same card now. Following the trends a bit on them...$235 for psa4, $190 for a PSA3, $150 for a 2...so I'd say $100 max on it. I think I'm still blocked from sending emails to Sal...so if someone can respond to the server, he might see it ;-) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 02:05:31 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need an opinion...52 Bowman Mays Saw this on ebay. seller obviously has no clue about cards that have 'created' autographs. You think the card is real and if so, how far would you go on this one? http://www.ebay.com/itm/1952-WILLIE-MAYS-BOWMAN-TRADING-CARD-/310485743939?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem484a647943 ================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:15:44 +0000 (UTC) To: B-999 From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Some sad news Brian,
This is incredibly bad news.
God Bless you and your family as you deal with this loss.
Our prayers are with you.

OBC Forever
Brian L

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================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 07:38:43 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Saxton Subject: Speakng of Exhibits.... I have a couple dozen of the Exhibit cards to parcel out to OBCers. Those of you who are interested please point me to your want lists so I don't have to scroll through the whole membership. Thanks! ================= To: "'obc ramblings'" Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 17:09:04 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Police Horse Pico- the final chapter Many of you have Officer Grant and Police Horse Pico trading cards in your collection............some treasure them. (Right Peter I.?) Well, a couple of weeks ago I flew down to Vancouver to spend some time with my daughter. When she picked me up at the airport, she asked what I wanted to do, and I said I would like a nostalgic trip though Stanley Park, where Pico and I were partners for 6 or so years. We had a great visit, I am sure he remembered me, even though it had been 10 years since I last saw him. We had a bit of a nuzzle, and I fed him a bucket of oats. He was still his old feisty self, trying to bite and/or kick any other horse within range. He HATED horses, loved people. Pico passed away last weekend, and I am sure there was some force at work there, that put us together again for the reunion. He was 31, a pretty good age for a horse that worked as long and as hard as he did. He saved my butt a couple of times, and was way smarter than me. Mind you, that isn't hard. If you have one minute, here's a short clip from TV last night. He is getting a lot of media attention, he was quite a guy. http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/farewell+to+pico+the+police+horse/video.html ================= Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 21:54:19 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: Dealer Scum offering ================= Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 02:19:55 +0000 (UTC) To: Tom Housley From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question Hello All, Thanks to the directions of Tom I have done some work to clean up my "Who collects what" listings but as Richard Dingman said earlier I don't know howmuch help it really is. For example I have the `63 Topps set listed but I only need Mantle and the Rose RC and (7) upgrades - I'm not likely to see any of those from any of your dupe boxes. This is not an isolated example asmost of the common listings only have a handful of needed cards and like Richard some are just upgrades and variations. I can't say that I use this listing much but for the benefit of those who do I have updated my input and encourage others who are listed there to do the same. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Housley" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2012 4:37:15 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question I brought this issue up myself a week or so ago. The responsibility falls directly on each OBC member; whatever sets you check-off on your bio page, those are the ones that show up in the "who collects what" page. So go to your bio page, make sure the sets you collect are up-to-date, and you should be good to go. I encourage EVERYONE to take 5 minutes (well, in the case of Mike Rich & his Endless Number Of Sets, 5 hours) and update your bio page. It really is easy & quick, and in the long run it helps those of us who like to use the "who collects what" page to find new homes for dupes. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com , John Dahms wrote: > I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set hadalready finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. > just asking > thanks > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 00:14:42 -0400 (EDT) To: directorth@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: obc page question I have updated my "Who Collects Listing" as well as my profile gary mandell ================= Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:39:04 -0400 To: , From: "Mark Talbot" Subject: Not card related - but I need your help. Hello All, This is not cardboard related so if these type of emails annoys you please delete now. One of our teachers is "competing" for a grant to supply motion sensors for the school science lab. To "win" the grant the idea needs to get votes via the Internet and I was hoping that many of you would support this effort my making a few mouse clicks and vote for this cause. If you are interested in helping you can vote today and tomorrow and every vote will be helpful (once every 24 hours), if interested please follow the following electronic pathway: Go to - http://classroomcash.org Click on - VOTE Scroll down to - Schrage, Motion Sensors, Huron Academy Click on - View/Vote Enter the security code and click on vote If enough of you fellas help we could move our teacher into the Top 10 and I think she will then be eligible for the grant - Thanks in advance to anyone who is willing to help out AND once again apologies to anyone who is annoyed by my unorthodox use of our server - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------------------------- MARK Mark S. Talbot HURON ACADEMY 11401 Metropolitan Parkway Sterling Heights, MI 48312 Office (586) 446-9170 Fax (586) 446-9173 From: vct-bounces@lists.vintagecardtraders.com [mailto:vct-bounces@lists.vintagecardtraders.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 10:40 PM To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; DugoutTraders@yahoogroups.com; Subject: [Vct] Harlem needs Any help 1971 cocoa puffs # 9 1971 cocoa puffs set two#1,2,4,9,12,19,26, 1971 globetrotters white backs#57 Grey back#64 Have dupes for bought....send list Anthony arbeeny Sent from my iPad ================= Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 18:39:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "chuck.salek" Subject: New Member Hello All. I'm the newest member, Chuck Salek. Here's my story. I grew up in Wyckoff, NJ and actively collected cards from 1958 to 1965. Although I stopped buying cards at that time, I kept what I had and always treasured them, neither adding to my collection, nor selling/trading off. After a 40-year career in Insurance Risk Management (for the past 16 years with ABB Ltd in Zurich), I retired beginning of this year and now have timeto resume my card collecting avocation. My wife and I live in Stamford, CT. I came across OBC while surfing the net, and it seems to match up with my desire to fill out my sets without buying/selling, and without going after the mint condition/high value cards. My interests revolve around Topps baseball cards, 1955-1965, with a fondness for Yankees and Dodgers cards. That's about it, and I'm looking forward to engaging with the OBC membership. Best regards, ================= To: Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 18:26:18 +0000 From: Subject: hoop needs Any help 1971 cocoa puffs # 9 1971 cocoa puffs set two#1,2,4,9,12,19,26, 1971 globetrotters white backs#57 Grey back#64 Have dupes for bought....send list Anthony arbeeny Anthony Arbeeny General Manager HYATT REGENCY BETHESDA near Washington DC One Bethesda Metro Center, Bethesda, MD 20814, USA T: + 1 301.657.6441 F: +1 301.657.6440 E: Anthony.Arbeeny@hyatt.com [Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:346163C9-96DE-406F-B40D-38B826305426] THINK BEFORE YOU PRINT: Please consider the environment before printing this Follow us on: [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:DC4663D3-FD69-4D81-827C-EBE71D808096] [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:E5D5D447-4F32-488F-B662-407D5AF03F60] [Description: Description: Description: Description: Description: cid:6F173D14-3489-4866-990B-E3AC0F4BF1B9] The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Fri, 26 Oct 2012 22:25:29 -0400 To: OBC ramblings , VCT From: John E Dahms Subject: early baseball available ================= Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 17:16:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Joe Adriance" Subject: 1974 Topps starter available.. Just picked up a box of early 70's stuff, got a ton of 1974 dupes. Mostlycommons, mid to lower grade. If anyone has an easy wantlist to hit or is looking for a starter set let me know. Joe Adriance ================= To: grains@shaw.ca, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 22:17:51 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Police Horse Pico- the final chapter Nice story oin him, but they could have spelled his name correctly in the story -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley To: 'obc ramblings' Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:34 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Police Horse Pico- the final chapter Many of you have Officer Grant and Police Horse Pico trading cards in your collection............some treasure them. (Right Peter I.?) Well, a coupleof weeks ago I flew down to Vancouver to spend some time with my daughter.When she picked me up at the airport, she asked what I wanted to do, and Isaid I would like a nostalgic trip though Stanley Park, where Pico and I were partners for 6 or so years. We had a great visit, I am sure he remembered me, even though it had been 10 years since I last saw him. We had a bit of a nuzzle, and I fed him a bucket of oats. He was still his old feisty self, trying to bite and/or kick any other horse within range. He HATED horses, loved people. Pico passed away last weekend, and I am sure there was some force at work there, that put us together again for the reunion. He was 31, a pretty good age for a horse that worked as long and as hard as he did.He saved my butt a couple of times, and was way smarter than me. Mind you, that isn=E2=99t hard. If you have one minute, here=E2=99s a short clip from TV last night. Heis getting a lot of media attention, he was quite a guy. http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/farewell+to+pico+the+police+horse/video.html?v2295734179#mike+mccardell ================= To: , Date: Sat, 27 Oct 2012 20:44:49 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Police Horse Pico- the final chapter No kidding, shows how much you can trust the media for accuracy. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of mikesportsfan@aol.com Sent: October-27-12 7:18 PM To: grains@shaw.ca; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Police Horse Pico- the final chapter Nice story oin him, but they could have spelled his name correctly in the story -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley To: 'obc ramblings' Sent: Wed, Oct 24, 2012 8:34 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Police Horse Pico- the final chapter Many of you have Officer Grant and Police Horse Pico trading cards in your collection............some treasure them. (Right Peter I.?) Well, a coupleof weeks ago I flew down to Vancouver to spend some time with my daughter.When she picked me up at the airport, she asked what I wanted to do, and Isaid I would like a nostalgic trip though Stanley Park, where Pico and I were partners for 6 or so years. We had a great visit, I am sure he remembered me, even though it had been 10 years since I last saw him. We had a bit of a nuzzle, and I fed him a bucket of oats. He was still his old feisty self, trying to bite and/or kick any other horse within range. He HATED horses, loved people. Pico passed away last weekend, and I am sure there was some force at work there, that put us together again for the reunion. He was 31, a pretty good age for a horse that worked as long and as hard as he did.He saved my butt a couple of times, and was way smarter than me. Mind you,that isn=E2=99t hard. If you have one minute, here=E2=99s a short clip from TV last night. Heis getting a lot of media attention, he was quite a guy. http://www.globaltvbc.com/video/farewell+to+pico+the+police+horse/video.html?v2295734179#mike+mccardell No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2742 / Virus Database: 2617/5853 - Release Date: 10/25/12 ================= To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 00:31:06 -0400 (EDT) From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question Contrary to the comment below, once you have set yourself up on the "who collects what", maintaining it only takes a few moments, even for those of uswho collect almost everything. I had updated mine after the National and deleted those few sets I completed at the National. There are a few sets that I am down to just a few cards, such as 1933 Goudey, that I do not list on there (I need Ruth and Lajoie), v others such as 1968 Topps Posters thatI need Clemente, that I have listed. Difference being, the Posters are such a small set, if someone has some to swap, there is achance they could have the Clemente. Odds of having the Ruth or Lajoie, are significantly slimmer. Since most that would have some to pass around, are more likely to be in OBC condition, I personally do not list sets that I only need upgradeson. Essentially it all boils down to whether I think someone is likely tobe able to hit my list for a specific set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:04 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question I brought this issue up myself a week or so ago. The responsibility falls directly on each OBC member; whatever sets you check-off on your bio page, those are the ones that show up in the "who collects what" page. So go to your bio page, make sure the sets you collect are up-to-date, and you should be good to go. I encourage EVERYONE to take 5 minutes (well, in the case of Mike Rich & his Endless Number Of Sets, 5 hours) and update your bio page. It really is easy & quick, and in the long run it helps those of us who like to use the "who collects what" page to find new homes for dupes. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, John Dahms wrote: > I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set hadalready finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. > just asking > thanks > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 10:54:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question No disrespect intended, Mike - just my idea of a small joke referencing howmany sets you collect.. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan To: directorth ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Oct 28, 2012 12:31 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question Contrary to the comment below, once you have set yourself up on the "who collects what", maintaining it only takes a few moments, even for those of uswho collect almost everything. I had updated mine after the National and deleted those few sets I completed at the National. There are a few sets that I am down to just a few cards, such as 1933 Goudey, that I do not list on there (I need Ruth and Lajoie), v others such as 1968 Topps Posters thatI need Clemente, that I have listed. Difference being, the Posters are such a small set, if someone has some to swap, there is achance they could have the Clemente. Odds of having the Ruth or Lajoie, are significantly slimmer. Since most that would have some to pass around, are more likely to be in OBC condition, I personally do not list sets that I only need upgradeson. Essentially it all boils down to whether I think someone is likely tobe able to hit my list for a specific set. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 23, 2012 5:04 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: obc page question I brought this issue up myself a week or so ago. The responsibility falls directly on each OBC member; whatever sets you check-off on your bio page, those are the ones that show up in the "who collects what" page. So go to your bio page, make sure the sets you collect are up-to-date, and you should be good to go. I encourage EVERYONE to take 5 minutes (well, in the case of Mike Rich & his Endless Number Of Sets, 5 hours) and update your bio page. It really is easy & quick, and in the long run it helps those of us who like to use the "who collects what" page to find new homes for dupes. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, John Dahms wrote: > I went ot the page where it shows who is working on what the other day and found out that a lot of the names on the list for that particular set hadalready finished the set. total waste of time. is their anyway we can get in and clean it up? I am probably guilty of it myself. > just asking > thanks > JD > John Dahms > 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 > Jackson, MI > 49202 > I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. > http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 08:46:03 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: World of Wheels cards Rocky has updated his list after a nice size find of these cards and has a couple of cards available to trade. I will post his list below. if you need any of these and don't have any please don't fear, just look at mineand we can make a deal...also, if you have any that he needs please let meknow and I would love to try and do a trade. thanks for looking rockys' list this is a have list 1 2 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 18 19 21 22 23 24 26 27 28 29 31 32 34 35 37 38 39 40 41 43 44 46 47 48 49 50 52 53 54 55 57 58 59 61 62 63 64 6667 68 69 70 71 72 73 75 76 77 78 81 83 84 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 95 96 97 98 99100 102 116 118 129 131 134 146 this is a list he has available #'s 1 5 7 10 14 18 32 40 41 48 57 66 81 John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 12:38:55 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: baseball waiver wire offerings trying to clean up my table, have these because of no shows or conditionconcerns and don't feel like putting them back in the box. all of these have condition concerns please send address with your request 58 topps--241 60 topps--20 30 61 topps--22 32 33 39 60 64 70 100 103 204 225 241 242 246 62 topps--86 63--29 39 80 64 topps--102 133 65 topps--37 76 90 66 topps--68 129 68 topps--44 91 117 69 topps--160 208 279 281 341 365 374 378 457 70 topps--11 25 27 39 112 244 342 70 kellogs 3d--randy hundley 71 topps--4 64 70 87 102 110 117 156 234 331 72 topps--14 59 67 84 99 121 170 176 193 198 215 225 236 314 320 321 356 374 429 494 73 topps--14 25 32 34 75 78 79 84 87 114 149 150 164 166 188 197 246 262 268 314 319 326 333 335 357 371 377 378 379 389 402 420 444 449 491 493 498 75 topps--10 45 58 64 73 88 98 102 115 126 143 152 154 158 162 169 186 214 234 236 253 257 262 276 276 309 336 338 342 347 349 365 417 427 440 441 460 486 511 520 521 523 534 547 549 553 574 590 598 619 638 642 John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ ================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 20:43:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Michael" Subject: Waiver Wire All are Topps Baseball: 64: 41 158 188 362 66: 62 145 164 334 67: 94 95 98 113 192 208 211 259 263 273 282 387 68: 12 14 44 51 (2) 53 64 79 108 69: 44 51 79 93 109 70: 18(2) 29 35 38 89 111 132 287 316(2) 358 390 424 71: 9 17 29(2) 34 65 69(2) 71 80 110 120 336 73: 81 214 74: 235 289 348 599 75: 162 282 353 362 467 496 632 650 76: 7 12 13 22 24 28 37 51 62 75 76 84 85 96 97 105 106(2)108(2) 112 121 139 148 155 159 177 181 217 229 236(2) 248 249 251 252 264 268 269 274 276 277(2) 282 287 289 291(2) 297 309 312 313(3) 319 322 327(2) 336 362 363 364 368(2) 375 381 382 390 391(2) 395 398 402 413 423 425 427 434 437 439(2) 457 466 485 488 511 512 515 519(2) 548 551 552 558 573 574 576 577584 602 618 621 625 77: 15 22 41 73 96 143 209 212 255 258 262 312 324 367 384 389 393 415 465 499 547 550 609 612 643 658 659 78: 7 19 29 32 42(2) 53 68 206 241 249 252 281 315(2) 327 334 361 409 449 461 481(2) 493(2) 496 585 600 612 619(2) 622 626640 653 675 711 79: 7 23 50 105 227 247 315 320 372 405 409 428 450 495 529 605 633 636 689 80: 8 30 46 76(2) 94 95 151 155 184 213 331(4) 335 376 481 628 ================= To: Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 18:12:38 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Sandy.... Quick note to our N/E brethren......sounds like it is going to be ugly. Please stay safe, we are thinking of you. ================= Date: Sun, 28 Oct 2012 21:29:08 -0400 To: Grant Rainsley , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John E Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Sandy.... ================= Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:36:23 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Announcements] October monthly From: Smartalecx@aol.com Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 00:34:50 -0400 (EDT) Subject: Re: [OBC-Announcements] October monthly To: jwi62@hotmail.com, obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com Content-Language: en hi joe i am curious as to what our annual costs are for web hosting In a message dated 10/28/2012 9:06:09 P.M. Central Daylight Time, jwi62@hotmail.com writes: Good evening OBCer's, Last month, the AC decided to have the membership determine the logo on the home page. The voting turnout was low, but the majority vote was to use a new logo designed by Tom Housley. The new logo will be on the site within the week. Another topic discussed was the Membership dues. Many of you may not be aware of the Membership Dues since they haven=E2=99t been collected since 2002. Every year since 2002, the AC has waived the membership fee since the treasury had sufficient funds to pay expenses forthe web hosting. Now our treasury is low and the AC decided to collect dues at $10 per member, both active and inactive, due by December 1. Here is the Dues section from the Rules of Conduct (ROC) =E2=93 previously in the FAQ (note the section in bold): To cover the expense of our website hosting and domain name, the active and inactive members will be periodically billed a modest amount for dues not to exceed $10, payable December 1st. The OBCAC facilitator (non-voting member) will notify the OBC membership prior to the due date, and advise the membership where to send payment. Any member who cannot afford this payment must notify an OBCAC member and dues payment shall be waived. Failure to pay dues or notify an OBCAC member of a financial hardship will result in removal from OBC Membership. If a person is admitted into OBC after December 1st, his/her first dues payment will be the same as the other members, the following December 1st. To make you payment, you have 2 options: - Use PayPal and send payment to _treasurer@oldbaseball.com_ (mailto:treasurer@oldbaseball.com) . Make sure to use the gift fee so the treasury does not absorb the PayPal fees. To do this, under the Send Money click the Personal tab above the continue button and choose the Gift radio - Pay by check or money order payable to Bob Donaldson. The dues collection will also serve as the annual membership poll. If you choose to be moved to the Inactive status, please email George directly by December 1. Note that ALL members, both active AND inactive are required paying membership dues. Remember, if you want the AC to consider a topic, send a message to the Ramblings server, contact any member of the AC or email me. Your AC members are Glenn Codere, Tom Housley, Ken Morganti, TJ Valacak, George Vrechek, Geno Wagner and Mac Wubben. Joe Isaac Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 13:19:57 -0400 To: OBC ramblings From: John E Dahms ================= Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2012 11:07:48 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mike diamanti Subject: End of Season Wonder Greetings All: As the 2012 season comes to a close, and after watching a slew of fantastic post-season games, I was intrigued by a comment one of the announcers made about a game that Warren Spahn pitched at the end of his amazing career...here's a cut/paste from the SABR Baseball Biography section on "This wasn=92t his only milestone contest of 1961; Spahn won his 300th game with a 2-1 victory over the Cubs before a Milwaukee-record crowd of 48,642 on August 11, making him just the 13th pitcher (and the first since Lefty Grove in 1941) to reach the hallowed mark. Even upon getting there, he was far from done; in perhaps the last extraordinary performance of an extraordinary career, the 42-year-old lefty lost a 16-inning duel with the Giants=92 25-year-old Juan Marichal, 1-0, thanks to arch-nemesis Willie Mays=92 homer, at 12:31 a.m. on July 3, 1963. Despite this setback, Spahn finished the =9263 season 23-7, led the league with 22 complete games, and even captured several MVP votes." I can't find the number of pitches for each pitcher, but what I did find Marichal: Gave up 8 hits, 4 walks, and had 10 strikeouts. Spahn: Gave up 9 hits (including the homer to Mays), 1 walk, and had 2 "Explaining his longevity, the usually loquacious Spahn needed just one word: mechanics. =93You=92ve got to be a student of pitching,=94 he stated.=93The way I threw, I never tried to put too much strain on my left arm.=94 Whitlow Wyatt, a Braves pitching coach, said, =93He makes my job easier. Every pitch he throws he has an idea behind it.=94 Spahn=92s longtime catcher Del Crandall told Spahn=92s son, Greg, a high-school hitting star who had career-ending surgery in college and later became a successful real-estate executive in Tulsa, that his father showed the batter three things: the sole of his right shoe, the back of his glove, and finally the ball. Spahn leaned forward in an almost courtly bow to the hitters, then rocked back, his right leg raised above his head in what *The Sporting News*=92 Kindred called a five-minutes-to-six position, followed by an overhand delivery that was as smooth and regular as an oil-field pumping jack back home in Oklahoma, where he now owned a ranch." And finally, here's the link to the Spahn biography in SABR -- well worth reading the whole thing... http://sabr.org/bioproj/person/16b7b87d CoffeeDude in Coupeville ================= Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 14:10:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken" Subject: Football Waiver Wire Now that I've recovered from the Reds major chock I've managed to put together a group of 69 Topps football that need a new home. A few have condition issues but most are vg+. Please be sure to include name and address. 5 32 45 49 62 65 95 96 101 109 113 115 125 127 129 131 173 176 193 199 228 231 Ken P ================= To: jd3681@yahoo.com, Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 11:07:03 -0700 From: "wite3@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] (unknown) [1 Attachment] ================= Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 18:46:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "thenamenotused" Subject: Waiver wire claim Because I can't read my want list, I recently picked up a second 1951 ToppsRed Back Duke Snider. I have got one looking for a new home. The card back looks nice, no paper loss. The bottom edge of the card does look like it was sitting on a staple for a few years. The front of the card is not as nice as the back. There is paper loss in the lower left hand corner. It starts at the edge and comes just below the name. None of the picture or name is missing. There is a minor print spot in the upper right part of the card. You dont see it unless you are looking for it. Is anybody looking for a Duke? Waiver wire claim away! Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:04:59 -0700 To: thenamenotused From: David Fallen Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim LOL! I think many of us in OBC suffer from CRS, that's where some of my better dups come from! I don't need the Duke, but thanks for the offer - and the laugh. -Dave Fallen On 10/30/2012 11:46 AM, thenamenotused wrote: > Because I can't read my want list, I recently picked up a second 1951 > Topps Red Back Duke Snider. I have got one looking for a new home. > The card back looks nice, no paper loss. The bottom edge of the card > does look like it was sitting on a staple for a few years. The front > of the card is not as nice as the back. There is paper loss in the > lower left hand corner. It starts at the edge and comes just below the > name. None of the picture or name is missing. There is a minor print > spot in the upper right part of the card. You dont see it unless you > are looking for it. > Is anybody looking for a Duke? Waiver wire claim away! > Nick Pelletier > Thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2012 15:08:38 -0700 To: "" From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim I've done this more times than I care to admit. On Oct 30, 2012, at 3:04 PM, David Fallen wrote: > LOL! I think many of us in OBC suffer from CRS, that's where some of my better dups come from! I don't need the Duke, but thanks for the offer - and the laugh. > -Dave Fallen > On 10/30/2012 11:46 AM, thenamenotused wrote: >> Because I can't read my want list, I recently picked up a second 1951 Topps Red Back Duke Snider. I have got one looking for a new home. >> The card back looks nice, no paper loss. The bottom edge of the card does look like it was sitting on a staple for a few years. The front of the card is not as nice as the back. There is paper loss in the lower left hand corner. It starts at the edge and comes just below the name. None of the picture or name is missing. There is a minor print spot in the upper right part of the card. You dont see it unless you are looking for it. >> Is anybody looking for a Duke? Waiver wire claim away! >> Nick Pelletier >> Thenamenotused@yahoo.com ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:05:53 +0000 (UTC) To: From: Subject: Dealer scum alert--Make money working from home!! I have friends visiting who just left from a family visit in Nor Cal...they brought back several boxes of cards for me to appraise for the ladies' brother ( how many of us are known as the "guy who knows all about them" :) ) As usual, old baseball cards from garage sales rarely turn into a retirement nest egg...more likely to produce heavy boxes that are more hassle to heave than they are worth. Surprise, same thing here!! I had to break the news that wealth may elude the "get rich quick " brother... Loads of 1990's stuff, and even worse, loads of football cards. It may be tough to find a buyer for cards of 1990 Pro Set punters and second string linebackers... The cards range from 1985 topps baseball commons to 1992 fleer partial sets, that's right...you can really hit it rich here! Must be over 10,000 cards. But, just when all hope was lost and dinner was ready, I noticed the last binder...1989 Upper Deck. Only 3 commons missing from the 800 card set...I think. The pages are getting stiff by now, but the Griffey and Big Unit cards are included and nice. I pulled the Kid from slot 1, page 1 and into a hard plastic holder so it wouldn't get dinged. It will probably cost 11 bucks in one of those flat rate boxes to ship, but these cards are for sale...binder, plastic pages and 89 UD anyone? I think he'd be happy with 29 bucks plus shipping if someone here is inclined to want a pretty nice set from the UV set that started it all! I could scan the Griffey too if that's a factor. I'd fill that postal box with whatever fits too, if you are lacking some punters from fulfilling your collecting itch. Now LMK if someone really wants to look through thousands of cards. The shipping would likely be prohibitive ...I have a bunch of boxes here that I didn't expect or want..and they aren't mine...but I thought I would ask ;) OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Connect Mobile App on my iPAD ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 04:57:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob" Subject: Football thanks Hi gang, Tuesday thanks go to Ken Goetsch, who hits my 1966 Topps football set with four cards, including Miami Dolphins running back Jim Warren. Awesome cards, thanks so much! ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:29:19 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Why??? OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson) that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a day anda half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (although I'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Isit just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may have to fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, unremarkable card. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:50:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Why??? It is a super short print. It has been on my list for years just because I do not want to spend close to $50 or more for a decent example. -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wed, Oct 31, 2012 6:29 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Why??? OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson) that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a day anda half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (although I'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Isit just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may have to fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, unremarkable card. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:29:55 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: 1961 and 1962 Topps Stamps My expanded wantlist includes 1961 and 1962 Topps stamps, and of course I remember these as an eight year old kid. But how to store and display them? I spent most of October at my oldest sons house in Vail Colorado, and between babysitting grandkids and spending time at the gym, I had plenty of timeto peruse eBay:) I came across the albums for both the 61 and 62 stamps ending the same day, but from different sellers. These looked really neat and I didn't want to lose them so I put in strong bids and won both lots. The1961 album (green) in nice condition included 16 stamps with Mays. Paid $49.99 with $3.95 shipping . The 1962 album (red) in nice condition included 51 stamps with Mantle. Paid $31.00 with $4.95 shipping. Hindsight says I may have overpaid a bit for the 1961 album, but I think I did pretty good on the 1962 album. I've attached a couple of pictures to share with all. So of course you know what I am going to say next. After the albums arrived, I pulled out the stamps that you guys have sent me the past few weeks, and glued them right in! A couple wouldn't stick so I had to use some Elmers glue:) (Am I completely nuts to glue the stamps into the albums?) Even though the albums are in nice condition, they are fifty tears old, so I have to be careful with them. But I am looking forward to filling them up! I also have two extra 1962 stamps if anyone wants to claim them: 1962 Don Hoak 1962 Early Wynn ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:53:36 +0000 (UTC) To: Larry Tipton From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 and 1962 Topps Stamps [3 Attachments] Great looking albums Larry. I am doing the same with my 69 Topps stamps sets. When I get some stamps, I put them right in the albums. For me, it just seems like it's the right thing to do. Now, you know you could always collect a set for the albums, as well as a set to keepout of the albums. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Tipton" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 9:29:55 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 and 1962 Topps Stamps [3 Attachments] [ Attachment(s) from Larry Tipton included below] My expanded wantlist includes 1961 and 1962 Topps stamps, and of course I remember these as an eight year old kid. But how to store and display them? I spent most of October at my oldest sons house in Vail Colorado, and between babysitting grandkids and spending time at the gym, I had plenty of timeto peruse eBay:) I came across the albums for both the 61 and 62 stamps ending the same day, but from different sellers. These looked really neat andI didn't want to lose them so I put in strong bids and won both lots. The 1961 album (green) in nice condition included 16 stamps with Mays. Paid $49.99 with $3.95 shipping . The 1962 album (red) in nice condition included 51 stamps with Mantle. Paid $31.00 with $4.95 shipping. Hindsight says I mayhave overpaid a bit for the 1961 album, but I think I did pretty good on the 1962 album. I've attached a couple of pictures to share with all. So of course you know what I am going to say next. After the albums arrived, I pulled out the stamps that you guys have sent me the past few weeks, and glued them right in! A couple wouldn't stick so I had to use some Elmers glue:) (Am I completely nuts to glue the stamps into the albums?) Even though the albums are in nice condition, they are fifty tears old, so I have to be careful with them. But I am looking forward to filling them up! I also have two extra 1962 stamps if anyone wants to claim them: 1962 Don Hoak 1962 Early Wynn ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 14:58:24 +0000 (UTC) To: thenamenotused From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim Great story. I agree with Dave and Geordie in saying that most, if not all of us have fallen victim to this. I can remember at the last National here in Chicago, I was really closing in on completing my 1961 set. The Koufax was on my radar and I was super excited to find one in a pile of Dodger vintage cards at a table. I don't remember the price, but I remember being extremely pleased with what the dealer was looking for. I purchased the card, crossed him off the list, and continued my National shopping. That night, as I looked through the cards, I realized I bought a 62 Koufax. To this day, I don't know how it happened. I know I was closing in on the 62 set as well, but I won't use that as an excuse. So, I had to put the 61 Koufax back on my wantlist, and find a home for the 62. Ugh! The pain! T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "thenamenotused" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:46:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim Because I can't read my want list, I recently picked up a second 1951 ToppsRed Back Duke Snider. I have got one looking for a new home. The card back looks nice, no paper loss. The bottom edge of the card does look like it was sitting on a staple for a few years. The front of the card is not as nice as the back. There is paper loss in the lower left hand corner. It starts at the edge and comes just below the name. None of the picture or name is missing. There is a minor print spot in the upper right part of the card. You dont see it unless you are looking for it. Is anybody looking for a Duke? Waiver wire claim away! Nick Pelletier ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 15:06:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: Why??? Seems like not only is it a short print, but someone out there is trying tocorner the market & thus make it even MORE scarce: http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/1966-topps-grant-jackson- --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson) that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a day and a half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (althoughI'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) > I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Is it just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may have to fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, unremarkable card. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:21:13 -0500 To: Tom Housley From: Rick's AOL Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? I believe there are a half dozen or so short prints in the 66 and 67 sets that routinely sell for more than any book price lists. I'm always amazed what Beckett and others price these cards at and what they actually sell for. I rarely pay full book price for anything but these cards hit full book price in vg condition. Rick Johnson Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: > Seems like not only is it a short print, but someone out there is trying to corner the market & thus make it even MORE scarce: > http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/1966-topps-grant-jackson- > toughest-card-in-the-set-or-is-it/ > Tom > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > > > > OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson)that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a dayand a half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (although I'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) > > > > I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Is it just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may haveto fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, unremarkable card. > > > > Glenn > > > > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList > > ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 08:32:43 -0700 (PDT) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim I think that '61 Koufax is his best card. Great color, beautiful card. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "tvalacak@comcast.net" To: thenamenotused Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 2:58 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim Great story. I agree with Dave and Geordie in saying that most, if not all of us have fallen victim to this. I can remember at the last National here in Chicago, I was really closing in on completing my 1961 set. The Koufax was on my radar and I was super excited to find one in a pile of Dodger vintage cards at a table. I don't remember the price, but I remember being extremely pleased with what the dealer was looking for. I purchased the card, crossed him off the list, and continued my National shopping. That night, as I looked through the cards, I realized I bought a 62 Koufax. To this day, I don't know how it happened. I know I was closing in on the 62 set as well, but I won't use that as an excuse. So, I had to put the 61 Koufax back on my wantlist, and find a home for the 62. Ugh! The pain! T.J. ValacakOBC member since August 2005http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm From: "thenamenotused" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 1:46:18 PMSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Waiver wire claim Because I can't read my want list, I recently picked up a second 1951 ToppsRed Back Duke Snider. I have got one looking for a new home. The card back looks nice, no paper loss. The bottom edge of the card does look like it was sitting on a staple for a few years. The front of the card is not as nice as the back. There is paper loss in the lower left hand corner. It starts at the edge and comes just below the name. None of the picture or name is missing. There is a minor print spot in the upper right part of the card. You dont see it unless you are looking for it. Is anybody looking for a Duke? Waiver wire claim away! Nick Pelletier ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 11:13:25 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Babe Ruth's Last Game I'm doing a story for SCD on 92-year-old collector Ray Hess. In connection with that story I researched information on Babe Ruth's last game. The Babe has always been my favorite player. I thought you guys might enjoy reading about his last game. There is plenty of conflicting info on the subject. If anyone knows anything else about the events, please let me know. George Vrechek Ray Hess and Babe Ruth's Last Game Ray grew up in Philadelphia and followed both the Phillies and the A's. On Memorial Day, Thursday May 30, 1935, Ray got together with a few of his buddies. They pooled 25 cents a-piece for a luxurious cab ride to the Baker Bowl to see the Phillies play a double-header. They left early in order to watch batting practice and to see a 40-year old hitting .183 and playing left field for the visitors, Babe Ruth. Ray watched batting practice and remembered, "Ruth hit at least three balls over the fence in right field, clear out of the park." The Baker Bowl was what you might call a band box, shoehorned into an urban site in 1887, and seating only 18,800. The right field wall was a unique piece of baseball history itself. While it was only 280 feet from the line to home and only 300 feet even in right-center, the "Baker Wall" in right field was 60 feet high. In comparison, Fenway's Green Monster is 310 feet from home but only 37 feet high. In the 1930s, fans remembered that whenever a foul ball bounced off the roof of the grandstand that rust would be dislodged and flake down on the spectators. Ruth joined the Braves in February 1935 following an 18-game tour of (mostly) Japan that didn't end until December 1934 and the completion of a trip around the world. (See Robert Fitts's excellent Banzai Babe Ruth for more.) Ruth started the 1935 season for the Braves with a bang, homering in the opener and getting four hits in the first two games. He was hitting .400 after five games, but then managed only 2 hits over the next month. He was hitting .153 when he had the glorious day in Pittsburgh on May 25, 1935, going 4 for 4 with 3 big homers and 6 RBIs. It would have been a great ending had he walked off the field that day like William Bendix or John Goodman did in the "Babe Ruth Ruth Story" or "The Babe" movies. (Come to think of it, there wasn't much "great" about either movie, particularly, "The Babe.") Ruth wanted to quit even earlier than the Pittsburgh game. He wasn't hitting, his fielding was terrible, and the team had 9 wins and 23 losses (winding up with a record of 38-115). Additionally Ruth was supposed to be paid $35,000 for the year and have a chance to manage, but owner Emil Fuchs instead wanted Ruth to invest $50,000 in the team and was only interested in his impact on the gate for an advertised farewell tour. Fuchs asked Ruth to "stick it out for the first Western trip." Fuchs lost control of the team in August 1935. Ruth never had another hit. The day after the 3-homer Pittsburgh game, Ruth struck out three times in Cincinnati. The Braves moved on to Philadelphia. Despite the Phillies being the second worst team in the National League that year and the declining skills of Babe Ruth, 15,122 people showed up for the May 30th Philadelphia/Boston doubleheader. The attendance of 15,122 doesn't sound like much, but the Phillies only drew 205,470 for the entire year and the park only held 18,800; therefore the turnout was about 7% of the entire season's attendance. The headline in the next day's paper was "Ruth is Magnet for 15,122 Crowd." Still Ray Hess remembered, "You could sit about anywhere at a Phillies game once you were inside the park." Despite having about 20,000 for their opener and Ruth in the lineup for 14 home games, the Braves didn't do much better for the season with attendance of only 232,754. Ray wished he could vividly recall the specifics of that game, but he had no idea it would be Ruth's last game. He was rooting for the Phillies. He didn't recall Ruth doing much at bat in the game, but remembered something about a triple and Ruth leaving the game early. Not surprisingly, the literature on this subject has some conflicting information, given different spins given by the press, the team, and Ruth himself. A week after the game, Ruth probably didn't remember exactly what happened either. The most believable research I found was that Ruth batted against Jim Bivin and grounded weakly to first in the top of the first. He played left field in the bottom of the first, and with the bases loaded, tried to make a shoestring catch (or perhaps knee-high catch) of a soft liner by Lou Chiozza, but missed and the ball rolled to the wall. Braves shortstop Bill Urbanski retrieved the ball, and Chiozza was out trying to stretch the hit into a homer, hence the triple that Ray Hess remembered. At the end of the first, Ruth tucked his glove into his pocket (instead of leaving it on the field, as was the custom) and walked to the visitors' clubhouse in centerfield. Ruth told writer Bob Considine he had pulled a charley horse on the (mis)play. The fans gave him a standing ovation. Hal Lee replaced Ruth in left field and went 5 for 9 in a losing cause for the rest of the doubleheader. Three days later back in Boston, Ruth told the locker-room attendant that he might as well tell Fuchs that "I'm through for keeps." Before Ruth could meet with Fuchs, reporters told Ruth that Fuchs had fired him instead. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:35:53 -0700 To: Rick's AOL From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? This is a really interesting thread. I need most 66 SP's and have not yet gotten to the hair-pulling stage--but the 67s are terrible. I heard once that the Sandy Alomar and the NL Rookies are the bears in that set. Is thatstill true? For me, Mike Shannon is the worst (followed closely by Joe Niekro). Is anyone trying to corner the 67T market too? Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Rick's AOL wrote: > I believe there are a half dozen or so short prints in the 66 and 67 setsthat routinely sell for more than any book price lists. I'm always amazedwhat Beckett and others price these cards at and what they actually sell for. I rarely pay full book price for anything but these cards hit full book price in vg condition. > Rick Johnson > Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: >> Seems like not only is it a short print, but someone out there is tryingto corner the market & thus make it even MORE scarce: >> http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/1966-topps-grant-jackson- >> toughest-card-in-the-set-or-is-it/ >> Tom >> --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: >> > >> > OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson) that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a day and a half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (although I'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) >> > >> > I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Is it just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may have to fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairlystraight-forward, unremarkable card. >> > >> > Glenn >> > >> > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music >> > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList >> > ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 09:40:07 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? I'm trying to decide on whether or not to pull the trigger on an ebay BIN 67 Shannon. Slightly trimmed $20. Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 10:33:56 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Mike Mackie Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? For this stroll down memory lane I can clearly say that I'm glad to have both these sets behind me. The shortprints of '66 and '67 made these sets among most challenging to complete - even moreso for me personally than 1961 was. Would be interested in other perspectives on that. For me, the toughest '66s were rookie cards of Grant Jackson, Joe Hoerner, and the Twins team card. For '67 it was Don Demeter and the Hernandez/Gigon that gave me fits. Mike Mackie ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Edward Watts To: Rick's AOL Cc: Tom Housley ; "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Sent: Wed, October 31, 2012 11:36:11 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? This is a really interesting thread. I need most 66 SP's and have notyet gotten to the hair-pulling stage--but the 67s are terrible. I heard once the Sandy Alomar and the NL Rookies are the bears in that set. Is that true? For me, Mike Shannon is the worst (followed closely by Joe Niekro). anyone trying to corner the 67T market too? Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Rick's AOL wrote: >I believe there are a half dozen or so short prints in the 66 and 67 sets that >routinely sell for more than any book price lists. I'm always amazedwhat >Beckett and others price these cards at and what they actually sell for. I >rarely pay full book price for anything but these cards hit full book price >vg condition. >Rick Johnson >Sent from my iPhone >On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: >>Seems like not only is it a short print, but someone out there is trying to >>corner the market & thus make it even MORE scarce: >>http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/1966-topps-grant-jackson- >>--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: >>> OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson)that >>>attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There'sa >>>one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a day and a half >>>go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (although I'm working >>>a 2010 SCD guide) >>> I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Is it >>>just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may have to fork >>>a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, >>>unremarkable card. >>> Glenn >>> Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music >>> Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:10:48 -0700 (PDT) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 and 1962 Topps Stamps [3 Attachments] I love these also I still buy some of the albums on ebay if I can get a good deal. I have about 6 albums each now and I put the stamps in the albums also. Just last week I took the worst album I had and steamed the stamps outof it and glued them in the other albums. I also collect the full panels with the tabs and have a third of the 61 combo's and over half of the 62's. From: Larry Tipton To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1961 and 1962 Topps Stamps [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Larry Tipton included below] My expanded wantlist includes 1961 and 1962 Topps stamps, and of course I remember these as an eight year old kid. But how to store and display them? I spent most of October at my oldest sons house in Vail Colorado, and between babysitting grandkids and spending time at the gym, I had plenty of timeto peruse eBay:) I came across the albums for both the 61 and 62 stamps ending the same day, but from different sellers. These looked really neat and I didn't want to lose them so I put in strong bids and won both lots. The1961 album (green) in nice condition included 16 stamps with Mays. Paid $49.99 with $3.95 shipping . The 1962 album (red) in nice condition included 51 stamps with Mantle. Paid $31.00 with $4.95 shipping. Hindsight says I may have overpaid a bit for the 1961 album, but I think I did pretty good on the 1962 album. I've attached a couple of pictures to share with all. So of course you know what I am going to say next. After the albums arrived, I pulled out the stamps that you guys have sent me the past few weeks, and glued them right in! A couple wouldn't stick so I had to use some Elmers glue:) (Am I completely nuts to glue the stamps into the albums?) Even though the albums are in nice condition, they are fifty tears old, so I have to be careful with them. But I am looking forward to filling them up! I also have two extra 1962 stamps if anyone wants to claim them: 1962 Don Hoak 1962 Early Wynn ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 20:03:57 +0000 (UTC) To: Edward Watts From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? On the 67's - naturally I am still seeking a Seaver rookie, but my other two are the Rocky Colavito card and a Yankees rookie card - 553, Mike Hegan and Thad Tillotson. Unreal. I am hoping to find all three at the November SunTimes show, but I am not getting my hopes up too high. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Edward Watts" To: "Rick's AOL" Cc: "Tom Housley" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:35:53 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? This is a really interesting thread. I need most 66 SP's and have notyet gotten to the hair-pulling stage--but the 67s are terrible. I heard once that the Sandy Alomar and the NL Rookies are the bears in that set. Is that still true? For me, Mike Shannon is the worst (followed closely by Joe Niekro). Is anyone trying to corner the 67T market too? Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Rick's AOL < ricktopps@aol.com > wrote: I believe there are a half dozen or so short prints in the 66 and 67 sets that routinely sell for more than any book price lists. I'm always amazed what Beckett and others price these cards at and what they actually sell for. I rarely pay full book price for anything but these cards hit full book price in vg condition. Rick Johnson Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Tom Housley" < directorth@aol.com > wrote: Seems like not only is it a short print, but someone out there is trying tocorner the market & thus make it even MORE scarce: http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/1966-topps-grant-jackson- --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com , Glenn Codere wrote: > OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson) that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a day and a half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (althoughI'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) > I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Is it just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may have to fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, unremarkable card. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 13:19:08 -0700 (PDT) To: "tvalacak@comcast.net" , From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? TJ, I might be right there with you on looking for 67 topps hi#'s at the sun times show. I am down to needing the ryan RC on my 68 set so that is my top priority but they are not that scarce so shouldn't be that hard to find one in decent shape. and you know pretty much what you are gonna pay for that one. my problem is that I have no idea what cards in the 67 hi's are commanding what dollars. guess I will keep an eye on ebay and make sure I ask you and Ron Perry for advice. hope to see you their John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ From: "tvalacak@comcast.net" To: Edward Watts Cc: Tom Housley ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Rick'sAOL Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? On the 67's - naturally I am still seeking a Seaver rookie, but my other two are the Rocky Colavito card and a Yankees rookie card - 553, Mike Hegan and Thad Tillotson. Unreal. I am hoping to find all three at the November SunTimes show, but I am not getting my hopes up too high. T.J. ValacakOBC member since August 2005http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm From: "Edward Watts" To: "Rick's AOL" Cc: "Tom Housley" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 11:35:53 AMSubject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? This is a really interesting thread. I need most 66 SP's and have notyet gotten to the hair-pulling stage--but the 67s are terrible. I heard once that the Sandy Alomar and the NL Rookies are the bears in that set. Is that still true? For me, Mike Shannon is the worst (followed closely by Joe Niekro). Is anyone trying to corner the 67T market too? Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 8:21 AM, Rick's AOL wrote: >I believe there are a half dozen or so short prints in the 66 and 67 sets that routinely sell for more than any book price lists. I'm always amazed what Beckett and others price these cards at and what they actually sell for. I rarely pay full book price for anything but these cards hitfull book price in vg condition. >Rick Johnson >Sent from my iPhone >On Oct 31, 2012, at 10:06 AM, "Tom Housley" wrote: >>Seems like not only is it a short print, but someone out there is trying to corner the market & thus make it even MORE scarce: >>http://www.sportscollectorsdaily.com/1966-topps-grant-jackson- >>--- In mailto:OBC-Ramblings%40yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere >>> OK, what the hell is it about 1966T #591 (NL Rookies Shirley & Jackson)that attracts stupid amounts of money, even for lower grade examples? There's a VG/EX one on ebay at the moment sitting at $56 (9 bidders) with a dayand a half to go. I think I'm right in saying this is WAY above BV (although I'm working form a 2010 SCD guide) >>> I know its an SP, but is there any evidence that its a very short print? Is it just mass hysteria? I need reasons, gentlemen, as to why I may haveto fork out a daft amount for what on the face of it seems to be a fairly straight-forward, unremarkable card. >>> Glenn >>> Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music >>> Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 16:58:58 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Rob Fitts Subject: Re: Why??? i've been searching for that card, and 2 other 1967 sps (one is seaver) in affordable vg for a year with no luck ================= To: Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:06:30 +0000 From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? I was told once the topps warehouse had a fire in 67 which is a factor in the highs being sp's Sent from my iPhone On Oct 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "Rob Fitts" > i've been searching for that card, and 2 other 1967 sps (one is seaver) in affordable vg for a year with no luck The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend it to the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:11:11 -0500 To: "" From: Doug Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Why??? I found it so frustrating to chase the 67 SPs and high numbers in general that I ended up buying the set complete. It wasn't the most satisfying way to collect a set but I did give my dupes box a big lift! I haven't gotten into the 66 set in earnest yet and this thread is making me think that is ok for now. Sent from my iPad On Oct 31, 2012, at 5:06 PM, wrote: > I was told once the topps warehouse had a fire in 67 which is a factor inthe highs being sp's > Ant > Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 31, 2012, at 4:59 PM, "Rob Fitts" wrote: >> i've been searching for that card, and 2 other 1967 sps (one is seaver) in affordable vg for a year with no luck >> rob > The information contained in this communication is confidential and intended only for the use of the recipient named above, and may be legally privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please resend itto the sender and delete the original message and copy of it from your computer system. Opinions, conclusions and other information in this message that do not relate to our official business should be understood as neither given nor endorsed by the company. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:46:05 -0500 (GMT-05:00) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Mark Z Subject: Re: Why??? yep, 67 Shannon was quite a challenge for me when I was working on those cardinals team sets. 66 was very tough as well...the 60-62 highs were so much easier than those. as with any of them..there usually is a selection of high priced slabbed examples, but not many low grade raw ones...and throw out the book on the final prices.. ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:52:50 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wwesmyster2@aol.com" Subject: New Trader? ================= To: , Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:58:55 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? Old met gm...and former twins scout. I had a deal huge deal with him a decade or so ago. He set me up with some free tickets too. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wwesmyster2@aol.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 19:52:50 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? Has anyone traded with Joe McIlvaine of Newtown Square, PA? Sent from my LG phone ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 17:51:47 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC ramblings From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? I traded with him a few times many years ago.....made me laugh when he saidhe had a short trading period....after the season to just before spring training. very good trader in my book. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/ From: Mac Wubben To: wwesmyster2@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? Old met gm...and former twins scout. I had a deal huge deal with him a decade or so ago.He set me up with some free tickets too.Mac To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: wwesmyster2@aol.comDate: Wed, 31 Oct2012 19:52:50 -0400Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? Has anyone traded with Joe McIlvaine of Newtown Square, PA?WesSent from my LG ================= Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 21:00:49 -0400 (EDT) To: jd3681@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? Content-Language: en Agreed, I've traded with Joe many times. Always favorable. "Ex" Twins scout? I thought he still had that job? In a message dated 10/31/2012 8:51:53 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jd3681@yahoo.com writes: I traded with him a few times many years ago.....made me laugh when he said he had a short trading period....after the season to just before spring training. very good trader in my book. John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI I collect vintage baseball and football cards. please check out my site. _http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/_ (http://jd3681vintage.webs.com/) From: Mac Wubben To: wwesmyster2@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2012 7:58 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] New Trader? Old met gm...and former twins scout. I had a deal huge deal with him a decade or so ago. He set me up with some free tickets too.He He se To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 22:24:29 -0400 From: Joe Isaac Subject: Brad Chambers Hey everyone, Brad Chambers, a former OBCer, sent the message below to Lynn Miller. Brad was a member in good standing when he left the group. This is a heads-upthat Brad may contact you for a trade so that there should be no doubts about him from anyone who might not know or remember him. Brad's email is tnvolfan88@hotmail.com. Joe Isaac ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Brad Chambers To: obclynn15@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 12:50 PM Subject: RE: Shift Colors Summer 2012 Those new to the group in the last 3-4 years won't know me and won't really care about this message. Or maybe, those oldtimers who do know me won't really care. One of the two for sure! I was communicating with Lynn Miller, a Navy shipmate although we never served together, and told him I am dabbling back in the trading game. I've even exchanged cards with a few of you recently- Anthony Arbeeny comes to mind for sure- and would like to trade some without getting into it full bore. The time just doesnt allow it, and I realized my personality fits more toward direct trading. Some of you that I feel I've owed cards to all these years will be getting something in the mail soon as I had kept the "who I owe" list all this time. Anyway, I have thousands of off grade dups from the mid 50s (more like a handful from then) to late 70s/early 80s (where I have hundreds per year). I probably have 3-4 hundred 70s, and 71s, and 72s, and definitely 74s and 75s, etc. Several off grade stars. So, if anyone is interested, send me a wantlist, and I'll share mine with you, and maybe we can do some trading. I do have some nice 67s, 70s, and 72s in NM so if anyone is upgrading or just is an idiot like me and has a NM 72 set they are working on, I can Take care and hope to hear from some of you. Brad K Chambers