================= To: Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 12:09:35 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: philly show... Philly Show this weekend. Anyone going? I was planning to hit tonight to avoid the weekend crowds and find the good deals early. This weekends focus will be the 67-70 sets that are getting down there. Also looking to replenish the dupes folder for my OBCer needs. Send any requests today - I'll have the smartphone with me to get your emails. ================= Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2011 23:54:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Hoping for some good thoughts from the FOOT contingent My alma mater, the Ohio University Bobcats (aka "Ohio" - that other school is NOT "Ohio", btw; they are "State"), is playing for their first-ever MAC championship tonight in Detroit. And to add to the Detroit connection, the Bobcats' quarterback is Tyler Tettleton - son of Mickey. So I'm hoping you guys in Michigan will root a little bit for the Green & White tonight. Go Cats! Tom Housley ================= Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 18:58:53 -0500 (EST) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hoping for some good thoughts from the FOOT contingent Content-Language: en cmon tj. better rally the troops! with my dad an OU alumni, and NIU a local school, i have mixed emotions on this one Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 12/2/2011 5:54:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: My alma mater, the Ohio University Bobcats (aka "Ohio" - that other school is NOT "Ohio", btw; they are "State"), is playing for their first-ever MAC championship tonight in Detroit. And to add to the Detroit connection, the Bobcats' quarterback is Tyler Tettleton - son of Mickey. So I'm hoping you guys in Michigan will root a little bit for the Green & White tonight. Go Cats! Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 22:23:18 -0600 From: "Mark Zentkovich" Subject: NFL MVP I wonder how many votes Petyon Manning will get? it would be funny if he got a lot (and did not even play) lol ================= Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 19:38:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: If if you send out packages and the person does not respond what do you do. I always think that the package did not get there and was lost in the mail. If that is the case I would like know so I can send something else. I feel bad emailing the person and asking but then again i feel bad if I don't. I do delete emails accidentally but always try to check the thanks site. On the horns of a dilemma Richard Labs ================= To: Richard Date: Sun, 04 Dec 2011 11:58:02 -0800 From: GRANT RAINSLEY Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If Content-Disposition: inline Well, things DO get lost in the mail sometimes. And people move....hopefully the OBC site showing home addresses is kept up to date by each individual......I have moved twice in the last 3 years.....my address on the Directory page is up to date, but some may be using an old print-out of OBC addresses that may be way out of date.......I have had to go to my previous residence twice in the last year to pick up packages.......and you can always go back and check the OBC-Thanks emails in Yahoo Groups to see if you did miss it. Personally, I see nothing wrong with sending a diplomatic email asking if a package made it there okay..... From: Richard Date: Sunday, December 4, 2011 11:38 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] If To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > if you send out packages and the person does not respond what do > you do. I always think that the package did not get there and > was lost in the mail. If that is the case I would like know so I > can send something else. I feel bad emailing the person and > asking but then again i feel bad if I don't. I do delete emails > accidentally but always try to check the thanks site. > On the horns of a dilemma > Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 20:50:13 +0000 (UTC) To: Tom Housley From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hoping for some good thoughts from the FOOT Hey Tom, Mike already chimed in on our visit to Ford Field for theMAC Championship so I'll add a few details. We started out behind the OU end zone about 5 rows back and enjoyed some very close action and saw some athletic plays. We couldn't decide who to pull for so we hoped for a good game and that we got. After the 1st quarter we got some "bottomless" popcorn and made our way closer to the mid-feild area on the OU side and watched the rest of the game from there. I enjoyed what seemed to be endless conversation with Mike and the occasional hearty laugh. One of the most noteworthy "Rich Thoughts" was when he pointed out thatthe game wasbetter than a trip to his favorite bakery as there were more "turnovers" at the game than the bakery. After 43 years of waiting it looks as if OU will be waiting a while longer but they may get back to Detroit for the Pizza Bowl (it'seither them or Toledo I think) and the NIU squad will make their way to Las Vegas for their Bowl game. As we had hoped it was good game and an enjoyable evening. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Housley" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 6:54:49 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hoping for some good thoughts from the FOOT contingent My alma mater, the Ohio University Bobcats (aka "Ohio" - that other school is NOT "Ohio", btw; they are "State"), is playing for their first-ever MAC championship tonight in Detroit. And to add to the Detroit connection, the Bobcats' quarterback is Tyler Tettleton - son of Mickey. So I'm hoping you guys in Michigan will root a little bit for the Green & White tonight. Go Cats! Tom Housley ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 15:52:31 -0500 (EST) To: rlabs1@elp.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If Content-Language: en I don't think it ever hurts to say, "Hi, just checking in to see if the card I sent you arrived safely" In a message dated 12/4/2011 2:38:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlabs1@elp.rr.com writes: if you send out packages and the person does not respond what do you do. I always think that the package did not get there and was lost in the mail. If that is the case I would like know so I can send something else. I feel bad emailing the person and asking but then again i feel bad if I don't. I do delete emails accidentally but always try to check the thanks site. On the horns of a dilemma Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 13:04:32 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If I'll definitely back that up too! For obvious reasons, several OBCers have contacted me over the years to find out if something they sent had arrived yet. Its never a problem for me. Glasgow, Scotland Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: "biggies@aol.com" To: rlabs1@elp.rr.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If I don't think it ever hurts to say, "Hi, just checking in to see if the card I sent you arrived safely" In a message dated 12/4/2011 2:38:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlabs1@elp.rr.com writes: >if you send out packages and the person does not respond what do you do. Ialways think that the package did not get there and was lost in the mail.If that is the case I would like know so I can send something else. I feel bad emailing the person and asking but then again i feel bad if I don't.I do delete emails accidentally but always try to check the thanks site. the horns of a dilemma >Richard Labs ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 17:52:03 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Article: The Affordable Hank Aaron - Talking Chop A great article, with many points that should warm the hearts of all OBCers. Especially love his description of a well-loved card. The Affordable Hank Aaron - Talking Chop http://www.talkingchop.com/2011/11/13/2555264/the-affordable-hank-aaron (via Instapaper) Sent from my iPhone ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 18:20:08 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If Content-Language: en Yep. I would hope someone would contact me if I did not post a thanks. If I forgot, I would appreciate a reminder. And if it got lost in the mail, it would be good for the sender to know. Randy Welk In a message dated 12/4/2011 1:04:38 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com writes: I'll definitely back that up too! For obvious reasons, several OBCers have contacted me over the years to find out if something they sent had arrived yet. Its never a problem for me. Glasgow, Scotland _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection WantList_ (https://sites.google.com/site/glennswantlist/home) From: "biggies@aol.com" To: rlabs1@elp.rr.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 4, 2011 8:52 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] If I don't think it ever hurts to say, "Hi, just checking in to see if the card I sent you arrived safely" In a message dated 12/4/2011 2:38:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlabs1@elp.rr.com writes: if you send out packages and the person does not respond what do you do. I always think that the package did not get there and was lost in the mail. If that is the case I would like know so I can send something else. I feel bad emailing the person and asking but then again i feel bad if I don't. I do delete emails accidentally but always try to check the thanks site. On the horns of a dilemma Richard Labs ================= Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 02:14:46 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob" Subject: Follow my sports book and sports card review updates on Twitter Hi gang, Shameless plug time here. I started a Twitter account tonight for the sole purpose of updating people on my latest sports books and sports card reviews. Some of you may already have received an invitation through e-mail. If that's not your cup of tea, I apologize for cluttering your mailbox. But if you want updates, follow me at @BobDAngelo1 on Twitter. (End of shameless plug). ================= Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 02:26:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob" Subject: Direct Twitter link Hi gang, Here is my direct link (I think). http://twitter.com/BobDAngelo1 ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 19:26:48 -0800 (PST) To: VCT Mailing List , From: Mike Mackie Subject: Regular Season Is Meaningless - My 2011 Sports Fan Experience When I was a kid, it was something special when your team won the division title. By winning more games than other teams in your division or league, you had special bragging rights and the honor of advancing to the playoffs and play for the championship. Now, with expanded playoffs, winning a division or league title isn't quite what it used to be. My 2011 sports fan experience illustrates 1) I may live in Wisconsin, but I'm a Bears fan. And for most of the 12 years or so that I've lived here, Chicago has rarely had the upper hand in the rivalry. So it was with short-lived glee that I celebrated the Bears Northern Division title. That was, until Green Bay beat Chicago in the NFC championship game in January and went on to win the Super Bowl. Somehow, being NFC North champions has lost its luster. 2) Having been primarily an American League fan prior to moving here, I adopted the Brewers and have enjoyed watching them put together an entertaining and competitive team despite the huge disadvantage that comes from being a small market team. This summer, we had the pleasure of watching the Brewers outlast the Cardinals to take the NL Central, the Crew's first division title in 29 years. Of course, the Cardinals got the last laugh, defeating Milwaukee and the NLCS on their way to winning the World Series. 3) I'm a Michigan State alum. Being a Spartan fan usually means that football season means that basketball season is just around the corner. MSU football has given fans a lot to cheer about in the past few seasons, however. A hail mary pass to beat Wisconsin helped propel the Spartans to the best regular season record in the Big 10/12. But instead of their first Rose Bowl trip in 24 years, the Spartans got a rematch with Bucky Badger. And in a hard fought game last night came up just a bit short. No bitter grapes here, however. Hats off to Packers, Cards, and Badgers who won when it counted. Here's hoping my teams come up big in the 2012 post season. Just thought I'd share :) Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 22:35:32 -0500 (EST) To: macknife13@prodigy.net, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Regular Season Is Meaningless - My 2011 Sports Fan Experi... Content-Language: en Hi Mike, It has been a frustrating year for you. I have been on both sides of this discussion. In the end I'm one who gave way years ago to accepting expansion and the downside effects you speak of. In truth it means more playoff football or more playoff baseball. As a Lions fan it hasn't hurt me! As a Reds fan we've been relatively lucky. Inthe end, I think if one's team is not adversely affected by expanded divisions/playoffs more is better. We might even admire the Cardinals-like story if it doesn't displace our As to college football............ entirely different conversation but could someone please explain why we don't have a playoff system? Hope all is well, Bob Bannon In a message dated 12/4/2011 10:26:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, macknife13@prodigy.net writes: When I was a kid, it was something special when your team won the division title. By winning more games than other teams in your division or league, you had special bragging rights and the honor of advancing to the playoffs and play for the championship. Now, with expanded playoffs, winning a division or league title isn't quite what it used to be. My 2011 sports fan experience illustrates this: 1) I may live in Wisconsin, but I'm a Bears fan. And for most of the 12 years or so that I've lived here, Chicago has rarely had the upper hand in the rivalry. So it was with short-lived glee that I celebrated the Bears Northern Division title. That was, until Green Bay beat Chicago in the NFC championship game in January and went on to win the Super Bowl. Somehow, being NFC North champions has lost its luster. 2) Having been primarily an American League fan prior to moving here, I adopted the Brewers and have enjoyed watching them put together an entertaining and competitive team despite the huge disadvantage that comes from a small market team. This summer, we had the pleasure of watching the Brewers outlast the Cardinals to take the NL Central, the Crew's first division title in 29 years. Of course, the Cardinals got the last laugh, defeating Milwaukee and the NLCS on their way to winning the World Series. 3) I'm a Michigan State alum. Being a Spartan fan usually means that football season means that basketball season is just around the corner. MSU football has given fans a lot to cheer about in the past few seasons, however. A hail mary pass to beat Wisconsin helped propel the Spartans to the best regular season record in the Big 10/12. But instead of their first Rose Bowl trip in 24 years, the Spartans got a rematch with Bucky Badger. And in a hard fought game last night came up just a bit short. No bitter grapes here, however. Hats off to Packers, Cards, and Badgers who won when it counted. Here's hoping my teams come up big in the 2012 post season. Just thought I'd share :) Mike Mackie ================= Date: Sun, 4 Dec 2011 21:36:37 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rick Lyons Subject: tiptons I haveaccumulated some very tipton cards most are trimmed,pieces missingor been run thru the wash. SO BEWARE!! Claim all you want but will try to spread them out a little. 52 topps#207 52 bowman #170 53 topps #8-203 53 bowman color # 7-54 54 topps #5-112 54 bowman # 168 55 bowman # 19-170 56 topps # 304 61 topps #471 63 topps # 496-548 70 topps scratch offs single panel -colbert-hegan-marichal-mcdowell-wynn ================= Date: Mon, 05 Dec 2011 16:14:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Reggie Miller Any Reggie Miller fans out there? Lemme know.... Mike Mroz ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 09:59:33 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner , From: EEK Subject: Bad News Good News! Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame,it's about time!! "we keep what we give away!" ================= To: EEK, "Geno Wagner", Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:04:07 -0800 From: "wite3@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:13:09 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! Content-Language: en the committee that voted santo in is made up mainly of old ballplayers. it has been well documented recently that a lot of these guys, most of whom played with santo, don't want to let anyone in now that they are in themselves. tom terrific is reportedly the leader of this faction. they played the ultimate power play by waiting to vote him in after he is gone. personally, i dont know if santo deserves to be in or not. and frankly, i dont really care. but is santo more deserving now than he was 2 years ago? is he more deserving now that he is dead? if the answer is no, than why did they waitso a huge congrats to ron and his family. but if i were i santo's family, i would tell the committee to stick the plaque where it wont see the light of In a message dated 12/5/2011 2:04:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: Awesome for santo but boo on the hof for waiting so long...and hodges was robbed again. Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless -----Original message----- From: EEK To: Geno Wagner , OBCRamblings Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 17:59:42 GMT+00:00 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame, it's about time!! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:21:26 -0800 (PST) To: "smartalecx@aol.com" , From: Watts Edward Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! I think he deserved it--he is far and away a better player than many of theguys that Frankie Frisch argued for during the 60s and 70s (I mean you, George Kelly). But you are right that they should have done it while hewas living. It should not have taken anywhere near this long. From: "smartalecx@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! the committee that voted santo in is made up mainly of old ballplayers. it has been well documented recently that a lot of these guys, most of whom played with santo, don't want to let anyone in now that they are in themselves. tom terrific is reportedly the leader of this faction. they played the ultimate power play by waiting to vote him in after he is gone. personally, i dont know if santodeserves to be in or not. and frankly, i dont really care. but is santo more deserving now than he was 2 years ago? is he more deserving now that he is dead? if the answer is no, than why did theywait so long? a huge congrats to ron and his family. but if i were i santo's family, i would tell the committeeto stick the plaque where it wont see the light of day!!! In a message dated 12/5/2011 2:04:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: >Awesome for santo but boo on the hof for waiting so long...and hodges was robbed again. >Connected by DROID on Verizon Wireless >-----Original message----- >From: EEK >>To: Geno Wagner , OBCRamblings >>Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 17:59:42 GMT+00:00 >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! >>Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! >>Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame,it's about time!! >>"we keep what we give away!" ================= To: Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:26:26 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! I always thought Santo was rather marginal...he was the 3rd or 4th best player on a team that wasn't very good. Interestingly, here are the players that are the most similar: Dale Murphy (875) Gary Gaetti (875) Ken Boyer (874) Ruben Sierra (865) Chili Davis (865) Bobby Bonilla (863) Brian Downing (862) Graig Nettles (860) Scott Rolen (857) Adrian Beltre (855) If Gary Gaetti gets in, I'll have no problem with Santo...I'd settle for Oliva To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:13:09 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! the committee that voted santo in is made up mainly of old ballplayers. it has been well documented recently that a lot of these guys, most of whom played with santo, don't want to let anyone in now that they are in themselves. tom terrific is reportedly the leader of this faction. they played the ultimate power play by waiting to vote him in after he is gone. personally, i dont know if santo deserves to be in or not. and frankly, i dont really care. but is santo more deserving now than he was 2 years ago? is he more deserving now that he is dead? if the answer is no, than why did they wait so long? a huge congrats to ron and his family. but if i were i santo's family, i would tell the committee to stick the plaque where it wont see the light of day!!! In a message dated 12/5/2011 2:04:13 P.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: Awesome for santo but boo on the hof for waiting so long...and hodges was robbed again. by DROID on Verizon -----Original message----- From: EEK To: Geno Wagner , OBCRamblings Sent: Mon, Dec 5, 2011 17:59:42 GMT+00:00 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame, it's about "we keep what we give ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 15:29:45 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: alvinautry@aol.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! Here is a shout out for the "Murph"..not my fav Braves player...but would like to see him in HOF... ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 12:48:09 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! It's about damn time - and it's pathetic that they waited until he died. Can the HOF get any more classless than that? As for his stats, if Brooks Robinson got in, Santo should... Now to figure out who my HOMer is going to be... Take Care, --- On Mon, 12/5/11, EEK wrote: From: EEK Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! To: "Geno Wagner" , "OBCRamblings" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 11:59 AM Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame,it's about time!! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 20:16:14 -0500 To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! I'd take Pedro in 99 over anyone, but Koufax in 63 would be a good choice also! On 12/5/11, hoot_owl1@verizon.net wrote: > Pathetic and classless--absolutely. > And then Geno talks some smack for those of us who live in Baltimore (and > probably mean Ed Schott, cause I grew up on Lake Erie)--but there is one > enormous difference between Ron Santo and Brooks Robinson. The Orioleswon > two of the four World Series they played in over a six-year period with > Brooksie at third base. The O's made it to the playoffs year in and year > out--and the Cubbies only had that one remarkable collapse to remember..... > Brooks also lasted 20 years. > But then I sometimes question why Sandy Koufax is in the hall. Yes he did > have four-five spectacular years and threw a few no hitters. But he was > average the rest of the time and his career was only twelve years. And > might be I just don't like the Dodgers. > Lifetime record 165-87 winning %.655 > Some other comparable records: > Ron Guidry--170-91over 13 years (team won two series compared to Koufax's > three .651 wp) > Luis Tiant 229-172 > And hypothetically who would you pick to start a playoff game--Lefty Grove > of 1931, Sandy Koufax from 1963, or Ron Guidry from 1978? > Peter Mead > On 12/05/11, Geno Wagner wrote: > It's about damn time - and it's pathetic that they waited until he died. > Can the HOF get any more classless than that? As for his stats, if Brooks > Robinson got in, Santo should... > Now to figure out who my HOMer is going to be... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Mon, 12/5/11, EEK wrote: >> From: EEK >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! >> To: "Geno Wagner" , "OBCRamblings" >> >> Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 11:59 AM >> Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! >> Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame,it's about time!! >> "we keep what we give away!" Sent from my mobile device ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:07:54 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, hoot_owl1@verizon.net From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! Just to clarify - I'm not saying Brooks doesn't belong in, I'm just saying that the two of them were the premier AL and NL 3rd baseman of their era and have similar stats - they both belong there, or they both don't - I thinkthey do. Brooks benefitted by the post-season, whereas Santo got hurt by having three other HOFers on a team that never won. So now it's official, the Cubs couldn't get a winner with four HOFers over a decade...how can that possibly be? It just really torks me off that Santo made it the year he dies. How many more RBIs did he get last year that pushed him over the top? Didhe raise that lifetime average a few points? I would have given anything to hear a Santo induction speech... Good night Ronny - you're a class act! Take Care, --- On Mon, 12/5/11, hoot_owl1@verizon.net wrote: From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 5:53 PM Pathetic and classless--absolutely. And then Geno talks some smack for those of us who live in Baltimore (and I probably mean Ed Schott, cause I grew up on Lake Erie)--but there isone enormous difference between Ron Santo and Brooks Robinson. The Orioles won two of the four World Series they played in over a six-year period with Brooksie at third base. The O's made it to the playoffs year in and year out--and the Cubbies only had that one remarkable collapse to remember..... Brooks also lasted 20 years. But then I sometimes question why Sandy Koufax is in the hall. Yes hedid have four-five spectacular years and threw a few no hitters. Buthe was average the rest of the time and his career was only twelve years. And it might be I just don't like the Dodgers. Lifetime record 165-87 winning %.655 Some other comparable records: Ron Guidry--170-91over 13 years (team won two series compared to Koufax's three .651 wp) Luis Tiant 229-172 And hypothetically who would you pick to start a playoff game--Lefty Grove of 1931, Sandy Koufax from 1963, or Ron Guidry from 1978? Peter Mead On 12/05/11, Geno Wagner wrote: It's about damn time - and it's pathetic that they waited until he died. Can the HOF get any more classless than that? As for his stats, if Brooks Robinson got in, Santo should... Now to figure out who my HOMer is going to be... Take Care, --- On Mon, 12/5/11, EEK wrote: From: EEK Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! To: "Geno Wagner" , "OBCRamblings" Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 11:59 AM Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame,it's about time!! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 18:51:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: Bad News Good News The debates willcontinue to rage regarding HOF inductions past present & future. Regarding Santo I think he deserves to be in andit's nice to seegood things happen to good people,even if it is posthumously.Ron played throughtype Idiabetes which he kept to himselfmost of his career without complaints and was indeed a class act! The same can be said abouthis wife Vickie who was most gracious and appreciative upon hearing of Ron's induction. Ifor one am looking forwardto her speech at the induction ceremony. I'm for her! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2011 21:19:17 -0800 (PST) To: Bob Donaldson , hoot_owl1@verizon.net, From: Mike Mackie Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! For my money, I'd take Grove. 31-4 and a 2.06 ERA (league ERA was 4.38). Then again, Pedro was 23-4 and 2.07 in '99 (league was 4.86 that year). You can't go From: Bob Donaldson To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, December 5, 2011 7:16:14 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! I'd take Pedro in 99 over anyone, but Koufax in 63 would be a good choice also! On 12/5/11, hoot_owl1@verizon.net wrote: > Pathetic and classless--absolutely. > And then Geno talks some smack for those of us who live in Baltimore (and I > probably mean Ed Schott, cause I grew up on Lake Erie)--but there is one > enormous difference between Ron Santo and Brooks Robinson. The Orioles won > two of the four World Series they played in over a six-year period with > Brooksie at third base. The O's made it to the playoffs year in and year > out--and the Cubbies only had that one remarkable collapse to remember..... > Brooks also lasted 20 years. > But then I sometimes question why Sandy Koufax is in the hall. Yes he did > have four-five spectacular years and threw a few no hitters. But he was > average the rest of the time and his career was only twelve years. And it > might be I just don't like the Dodgers. > Lifetime record 165-87 winning %.655 > Some other comparable records: > Ron Guidry--170-91over 13 years (team won two series compared to Koufax's > three .651 wp) > Luis Tiant 229-172 > And hypothetically who would you pick to start a playoff game--Lefty Grove > of 1931, Sandy Koufax from 1963, or Ron Guidry from 1978? > Peter Mead > On 12/05/11, Geno Wagner wrote: > It's about damn time - and it's pathetic that they waited until he died. > Can the HOF get any more classless than that? As for his stats, if Brooks > Robinson got in, Santo should... > Now to figure out who my HOMer is going to be... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Mon, 12/5/11, EEK wrote: >> From: EEK >> Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bad News Good News! >> To: "Geno Wagner" , "OBCRamblings" >> >> Date: Monday, December 5, 2011, 11:59 AM >> Bad News: Geno loses his HOMer! >> Good News: Ron Santos is in the Hall of Fame, it's about time!! >> "we keep what we give away!" Sent from my mobile device OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 11:05:29 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Watts Edward Subject: The Bizarro Cubs Yesterday's discussion got me thinking. The late-60s Cubs had 4 Hall of Famers (and a Hall of Fame manager) but did not win anything. Is there a team that is their opposite--a team that won regularly with no Hall of Famers? The closest thing I can think of is the 1980s Dodgers (the 1981 and 1988 teams are, I believe, the first World Series winners with no HOF players--but they did have Lasorda). Can anyone think of others? Incidentally, I exclude the insanity of the writers towards the 1980s Tigers. Whittaker and Trammell both will go in someday, hopefully sooner thanit took Santo, and I would vote for Lance Parrish too if I had a vote. ================= Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:35:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: The Bizarro Cubs No HOFers from the 1984 Tigers. Although, like you said, Tram and Sweet Lou are deserving, as is Jack Morris. He was an ace through the entire 80's decade for the Tigers, and although his ERA was never spectacular, we won his fair share of games in the clutch. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Watts Edward wrote: > Yesterday's discussion got me thinking. The late-60s Cubs had 4 Hall of Famers (and a Hall of Fame manager) but did not win anything. Is there a team that is their opposite--a team that won regularly with no Hall of Famers? The closest thing I can think of is the 1980s Dodgers (the 1981 and 1988 teams are, I believe, the first World Series winners with no HOF players--but they did have Lasorda). Can anyone think of others? > Incidentally, I exclude the insanity of the writers towards the 1980s Tigers. Whittaker and Trammell both will go in someday, hopefully sooner than it took Santo, and I would vote for Lance Parrish too if I had a vote. > Ed ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2011 16:59:14 -0800 From: GRANT RAINSLEY Subject: Pujols....... Content-Disposition: inline Well, what's your take? Admittedly I am an Angels fan........but........10 years for such an astronomical sum? I can't see him being anywhere near healthy any more than 5 at most, and just DH after that.......IF that.......I thought the C. J. Wilson pickup made much more sense. I suppose it will likely sell tickets though, which is what they are all about...........no wonder they don't consult me. ================= To: "'GRANT RAINSLEY'" , Date: Thu, 8 Dec 2011 20:12:40 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Pujols....... Never that big on CJ, like most FA pitchers (Lackey is ours) is overpaid. As will be Pujols in years 6-10, or course if you win the W/S once or twice in years 1-5 . From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of GRANT RAINSLEY Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2011 7:59 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pujols....... Well, what's your take? Admittedly I am an Angels fan........but........10 years for such an astronomical sum? I can't see him being anywhere near healthy any more than 5 at most, and just DH after that.......IF that.......I thought the C. J. Wilson pickup made much more sense. I suppose it will likely sell tickets though, which is what they are all about...........no wonder they don't consult me. No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1873 / Virus Database: 2102/4667 - Release Date: 12/08/11 ================= Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 01:16:21 +0000 (UTC) To: GRANT RAINSLEY From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pujols....... it'll be interesting to see how how well he's held up by the time his contract expires... right around his 48th birthday ----- Original Message ----- From: "GRANT RAINSLEY" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 8, 2011 4:59:14 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pujols....... Well, what's your take? Admittedly I am an Angels fan........but........10 years for such an astronomical sum? I can't see him being anywhere near healthy any more than 5 at most, and just DH after that.......IF that.......I thought the C. J. Wilson pickup made much more sense. I suppose it will likely sell tickets though, which is what they are all about...........no wonder they don't consult me. ================= To: "GRANT RAINSLEY" , "Geordie Calvert" Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2011 11:44:46 -0500 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pujols....... As a life long Cards fan I'm disappointed that Albert went elsewhere, but the Cards will land on their feet and be in the running again next year. Hehad a chance to be on the same level as "The Man" at the end of his careerbut will still have his statue outside Busch Stadium. Cards's fans are sensible enough to appreciate the situation and the lost of Albert, though a stunner won't make them jump off bridges. The Cardinals are one of the fewfranchises that seem to have a reasonable business approach to player transactions and they weren't going to throw the whole organization out of whack for one player, even Albert. I wish Albert the best for the rest of his career but the Cards will prevail in the long run. On Thu 08/12/11 8:16 PM , Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net sent: > it'll be interesting to see how how well he's held up by the time > his contract expires... right around his 48th birthday > ------------------------- > FROM: "GRANT RAINSLEY" > TO: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > SENT: Thursday, December 8, 2011 4:59:14 PM > SUBJECT: [OBC-Ramblings] Pujols....... > Well, what's your take? Admittedly I am an Angels > fan........but........10 years for such an astronomical sum? I can't > see him being anywhere near healthy any more than 5 at most, and just > DH after that.......IF that.......I thought the C. J. Wilson pickup > made much more sense. I suppose it will likely sell tickets though, > which is what they are all about...........no wonder they don't > consult me. 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Posted by: "obcjohn@knology.net" obcjohn@knology.net Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:44 am (PST) As a life long Cards fan I'm disappointed that Albert went elsewhere, but the Cards will land on their feet and be in the running again next year. He had a chance to be on the same level as "The Man" at the end of his career but will still have his statue outside Busch Stadium. Cards's fans are sensible enough to appreciate the situation and the lost of Albert, though a stunner won't make them jump off bridges. The Cardinals are one of the few franchises that seem to have a reasonable business approach to player transactions and they weren't going to throw the whole organization out of whack for one player, even Albert. I wish Albert the best for the rest of his career but the Cards will prevail in the long run. ================= To: obc_v04-owner@yahoogroups.com, obcbobd@comcast.net, obcjohn@knology.net, Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 06:01:42 -0500 (EST) From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re:7 On-line shopping is very popular for its simplicity and convenience... http://leshordeuxheureux.org/december.site.php?vjlfriend_id89e4 ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 06:27:56 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Pujols....... Well said..............as long as Albert is not in the Brewers division..thats all fine with me.............. The Brewers are probably going to loose Fielder........so that will be fine with me. Ken Goetsch amen cardinal brother! Posted by: "obcjohn@knology.net" obcjohn@knology.net Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:44 am (PST) As a life long Cards fan I'm disappointed that Albert went elsewhere, butthe Cards will land on their feet and be in the running again next year. He had a chance to be on the same level as "The Man" at the end of his career but will still have his statue outside Busch Stadium. Cards's fans are sensible enough to appreciate the situation and the lost of Albert, though a stunner won't make them jump off bridges. The Cardinals are one of the few franchises that seem to have a reasonable business approach to player transactions and they weren't going to throw the whole organization out of whackfor one player, even Albert. I wish Albert the best for the rest of his career but the Cards will prevail in the long run. ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 11:22:15 -0500 (EST) To: kshoes@charter.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Pujols....... Content-Language: en they may lose more than fielder if the allegations against braun are true Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 12/11/2011 6:28:04 A.M. Central Standard Time, kshoes@charter.net writes: Well said..............as long as Albert is not in the Brewers division..thats all fine with me.............. The Brewers are probably going to loose Fielder........so that will be fine with me. Ken Goetsch amen cardinal brother! Posted by: "_obcjohn@knology.net_ (mailto:obcjohn@knology.net) " _obcjohn@knology.net _ (mailto:obcjohn@knology.net) Fri Dec 9, 2011 8:44 am (PST) As a life long Cards fan I'm disappointed that Albert went elsewhere, but the Cards will land on their feet and be in the running again next year. He had a chance to be on the same level as "The Man" at the end of his career but will still have his statue outside Busch Stadium. Cards's fans are sensible enough to appreciate the situation and the lost of Albert, thougha stunner won't make them jump off bridges. The Cardinals are one of the few franchises that seem to have a reasonable business approach to player transactions and they weren't going to throw the whole organization out ofwhack for one player, even Albert. I wish Albert the best for the rest of his career but the Cards will prevail in the long run. ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 20:58:48 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: Phishing Anybody else getting these annoying phishing emails from tply@aol? It was the email address of ex OBC member Rick Ellison if I'm not mistaken. Anybody heard from him lately? Or do I have the wrong guy in my memory? Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:09:33 -0500 (EST) To: yazobc@insightbb.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Phishing Content-Language: en its him i am sure he is not sending them, but i think the obcac should consider disabling his email address from having the ability to send emails to the group until he puts a virus scan on his computer. there are a few other members where this has been a problem, although not nearly as frequently as rick's. has anone heard from rick in the past year or two? Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 12/11/2011 8:58:49 P.M. Central Standard Time, yazobc@insightbb.com writes: Anybody else getting these annoying phishing emails from tply@aol? It was the email address of ex OBC member Rick Ellison if I'm not mistaken. Anybody heard from him lately? Or do I have the wrong guy in my memory? Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2011 22:30:04 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: washing cards someone recently posted the method they used to soak, press and dry a card. can you please re-post this information? Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: yazobc@insightbb.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 02:17:04 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Phishing Been getting them for awhile...I just blocked the email a few weeks ago. Have not heard from Rick since he moved to GA. -----Original Message----- From: Yaz To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 6:58 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Phishing Anybody else getting these annoying phishing emails from tply@aol? It was the email address of ex OBC member Rick Ellison if I'm not mistaken. Anybody heard from him lately? Or do I have the wrong guy in my memory? Greg (yaz) OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= To: obc_v04-owner@yahoogroups.com, obcbobd@comcast.net, obcjohn@knology.net, Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 05:04:00 -0500 (EST) From: tply@aol.com Subject: Fw: http://chefmalcolm.com/family.php?rid84&jnup26&axic676&upe81 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 16:32:25 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: washing cards Hi Gary & group, Here's what I did, to mixed results. This was to remove glued-on paper, like from a scrapbook: 1) Use a shallow lid ( I used a plastic Tupperware-like lid), large enough for the card. Fill it with water, enough to cover the card plus a little extra (the card will want to float at first) - I've read that tap water is OK, others have recommended distilled water (I used distilled just b/c our water supply has a lot of lime; figured best to not use that). 2) Place the card in the lid & make sure the water completely covers it. Sometimes I noticed the cards would float a little; just had to keep pressingthem down (gently) to make sure they are covered. 3) Let the card soak for 30 minutes to an hour. 3a) I'm impatient; after the cards were in water for about 30-45 minutes, Iused a Q-tip and GENTLY tried to remove the glued-on paper. Further soaking may have floated all of the junk off. This worked OK for most of the cards I was working on. 4) After soaking & getting the remanants of the junk off, gently remove thecard (try using a top loader to lift out the card), place between a foldedpaper towel, and blot the card to get rid of excess water. 5) Place card between the fold of a dry paper towel, and then place that inbetween 2 wood boards (you can probably use anything flat & sturdy, but ifyou can get your hands on a couple pieces of flat scrap wood that works well), then place a 5 pound weight on top of the top board. After about an hour, change the paper towel out to a dry one, then re-press. Leave the card under the weight for at least a day. Like George says, it's not perfect, and if you're trying to remove something that's glued on, you may or may not have success - depending on if the glue used was water soluble. And I discovereed that the cards I soaked weren't perfectly flat after the soaking & pressing - they had a bit of a bow. But that could be b/c they needed to be pressed longer, had more blotting, etc. The guideline I used (just did a search for "card soaking") had a side-by-side shot of a before & after, and the borders on the "after" card were muchbrighter. I didn't notice that effect with the cards I experimented with, but maybe they just needed to soak longer - although when I poured the usedwater out, it was pretty gross, so unless the discoloration of the water was glue, the card got a little cleaner. Rob G. says he's used a drop of dish soap in the water. I tried that but didn't notice much difference with using just water. Experiment away! Does anyone else have a different method? Tom Housley ================= Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 14:52:32 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Housley , From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: washing cards Mark talbot had it a little different. He said he puts a little bleach in the water and uses wax paper on the front side and paper towel on the back. And the drying process is like after a couple days change the paper towel and then wait one to two weeks after that to make sure the card is dry. memory not the best but it worked for me. From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:32 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: washing cards Hi Gary & group,Here's what I did, to mixed results. This was to remove glued-on paper, like from a scrapbook: 1) Use a shallow lid ( I used a plastic Tupperware-like lid), large enough for the card. Fill it with water, enough to cover the card plus a little extra (the card will want to float at first)- I've read that tap water is OK, others have recommended distilled water (I used distilled just b/c our water supply has a lot of lime; figured best to not use that). 2) Place the card in the lid & make sure the water completely covers it. Sometimes I noticed the cards would float a little; just had to keep pressingthem down (gently) to make sure they are covered. 3) Let the card soak for 30 minutes to an hour. 3a) I'm impatient; after the cards were in water for about 30-45 minutes, Iused a Q-tip and GENTLY tried to remove the glued-on paper. Further soaking may have floated all of the junk off. This worked OK for most of the cards I was working on. 4) After soaking & getting the remanantsof the junk off, gently remove the card (try using a top loader to lift out the card), place between a folded paper towel, and blot the card to get rid of excess water. 5) Place card between the fold of a dry paper towel, and then place that inbetween 2 wood boards (you can probably use anything flat & sturdy, but ifyou can get your hands on a couple pieces of flat scrap wood that works well), then place a 5 pound weight on top of the top board. After about an hour, change the paper towel out to a dry one, then re-press. Leave the card under the weight for at least a day. Like George says, it's not perfect, and if you're trying to remove something that's glued on, you may or may not have success - depending on if the glue used was water soluble. And I discovereed that the cards I soaked weren't perfectly flat after the soaking & pressing - they had a bit of a bow. But that could be b/c they needed to be pressed longer, had more blotting, etc. The guideline I used (just did a search for "card soaking") had a side-by-side shot of a before & after, and the borders on the "after" card were muchbrighter. I didn't notice that effect with the cards I experimented with, but maybe they just needed to soak longer - although when I poured the usedwater out, it was pretty gross, so unless the discoloration of the water was glue, the card got a little cleaner. Rob G. says he's used a drop of dish soap in the water. I tried that but didn't notice much difference with using just water. Experiment away! Does anyone else have a different method? Tom Housley ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 00:50:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Rick Lyons From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: washing cards Here are somedirections I received from Mark a few years ago. I've tested this out twice. Worked great both times. Cards with white glue are pretty simple, simple soak them in very hot water. I like to add just a little bleach to the water I use a small pail so there is about a 1/2 gallon of water in there. After about 10 minutes or so (sometimes less) the paper can be easily "slid" right off the card. Then I gently rub the back of the card with my thumb, I can usually feel the tackiness of the glue residue and stoprubbing when I do not feel it any more. When this is complete I blotexcess water with a paper towel and then prepare to flatten the cards. I do this by placing the cards face down on a piece of wax paper on a flat surface, then I place a couple pieces of paper towel and another piece of wax paper. I continue the process until all the cards I am "soaking" are set up for pressing, then I place weight on the cards (books, boxes of cards, anything heavy). After 48 hours or so I remove the weight and let the cards "air out" for and hour or so, then I set up the pressing again use new paper towel blotter paper and this time for as long as a week sometimes (or whenever I get to them). By now the cards will be quiteflat and presentable. I find that the wax paper actually adds a slight layer of wax to the front of the card, if this is acceptable to you just leave it alone, if you want that removed use one of your wife's discarded nylon hose and gently rub the card with the hose. The small bit of bleachI use help to eliminate the "moof" smell that some older cards have and that these might obtain if not dried properly. The process is time consuming but I have used it to remove scrapbook paper remnants with great success for quite some time. This process can also be used with other types of glue like mucilage, the paper usually comes off but the soaking time is longer and usually there is some glue that had permanently bound to the cardboard and although the card will not be sticky the "glossy" appearance of theremnant glue remains. There is probably some organic solvent (like acetone,benzene or toluene) that will remove this glue but it may do damage to the cardboard, not to mention the volatility and carcinogenic nature of these compounds. So I would stick to the H2O treatment. Another thing I would note is that the grey stock used in Bowman and early Topps cards fair rather well with this technique but "lighter colored" stock used in the `60's and beyond will be slightly discolored because they have incurred water damage. The discoloration will be uniform and therefore not too noticeable but it's there, I find thatthe bleach helps to minimize this effect as well. Well I hope you found this long winded response helpful - BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------------- MARK T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Lyons" To: "Tom Housley" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 4:52:32 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: washing cards Mark talbot had it a little different. He said he puts a little bleach in the water and uses wax paper on the front side and paper towel on the back. And the drying process is like after a couple days change the paper towel and then wait one to two weeks after that to make sure the card is dry. memory not the best but it worked for me. From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:32 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: washing cards Hi Gary & group, Here's what I did, to mixed results. This was to remove glued-on paper, like from a scrapbook: 1) Use a shallow lid ( I used a plastic Tupperware-like lid), large enough for the card. Fill it with water, enough to cover the card plus a little extra (the card will want to float at first)- I've read that tap water is OK, others have recommended distilled water (I used distilled just b/c our water supply has a lot of lime; figured best to not use that). 2) Place the card in the lid & make sure the water completely covers it. Sometimes I noticed the cards would float a little; just had to keep pressingthem down (gently) to make sure they are covered. 3) Let the card soak for 30 minutes to an hour. 3a) I'm impatient; after the cards were in water for about 30-45 minutes, Iused a Q-tip and GENTLY tried to remove the glued-on paper. Further soaking may have floated all of the junk off. This worked OK for most of the cards I was working on. 4) After soaking & getting the remanantsof the junk off, gently remove the card (try using a top loader to lift out the card), place between a folded paper towel, and blot the card to get rid of excess water. 5) Place card between the fold of a dry paper towel, and then place that inbetween 2 wood boards (you can probably use anything flat & sturdy, but ifyou can get your hands on a couple pieces of flat scrap wood that works well), then place a 5 pound weight on top of the top board. After about an hour, change the paper towel out to a dry one, then re-press. Leave the card under the weight for at least a day. Like George says, it's not perfect, and if you're trying to remove something that's glued on, you may or may not have success - depending on if the glue used was water soluble. And I discovereed that the cards I soaked weren't perfectly flat after the soaking & pressing - they had a bit of a bow. But that could be b/c they needed to be pressed longer, had more blotting, etc. The guideline I used (just did a search for "card soaking") had a side-by-side shot of a before & after, and the borders on the "after" card were muchbrighter. I didn't notice that effect with the cards I experimented with, but maybe they just needed to soak longer - although when I poured the usedwater out, it was pretty gross, so unless the discoloration of the water was glue, the card got a little cleaner. Rob G. says he's used a drop of dish soap in the water. I tried that but didn't notice much difference with using just water. Experiment away! Does anyone else have a different method? Tom Housley ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-thanks@yahoogroups.com, Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 20:03:39 -0500 (EST) From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: What do you think about it? http://ensusmarcasdeporte.com.mx/index754m--.php?zawoluckyid20 Tue, 13 Dec 2011 2:03:38 "Gus and Bill went together, as always; they had much to talk about.On the day following the radio lecture, true to his promise, Professor Gray led Bill and Gus to the broad acres of the Hooper estate and there, with the plans before them, they went over the ground chosen for the water-power site, comprehending every detail of the engineering task." (c) RODRICK watafarijiwa ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:09:31 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rick Lyons Subject: 1926? sports page I live in a house that was build in 1926 the whole house has wood floors init. The kitchen has needed remodeling for years so I finally gave in to mywife and started tearing up the floor and found a folded up piece of paperand it is a piece of the local newspaper. It has a picture of Babe Ruth calling him the "Behemoth of Swat" on his way to a new home run record. No year on the paper but May 17 he did something towarrantthis article.I enjoyed the Club Standings though, Pacific Coast League has top billing then National League then American Association. PCL SanFrancisco,Salt Lake,Vernon,Seattle, Portland, Oakland,Sacramento,Los NL Cincinnati,New York, Chicago, Boston,Brooklyn, Pittsburgh,St. Louis,Philadelphia. AA Kansas City,St. Paul, Indianapolis,Louisville,Milwaukee,Minneapolis,Columbus,Toledo. Sent a scan if you would like to take a look. ================= Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 20:50:05 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Meet and Greet in Las Vegas Geordie Calvert is in town for a convention. This is the first time I was able to meet this old friend in person. And as we all experience upon first meeting one of our friends, it is as if we had known each other all our lives. Geordie arrived Sunday evening and we went out to dinner together and had a great chat about our families and lives and cardboard. Tonight a few of the Vegas OBC family got together with Geordie at a local restaurant and enjoyed much of the same great talk and great food. Mike Hair and Geordie were able to reminisce about the old days in OBC and the legendary Mike Hair hospitality during those years when the National was in LasVegas. Rich Niessen was also in attendance and it was the first time for him to meet Mike and Geordie and for them to get to know him. We all had a great time. Not so coincidentally, Rich's wife Debbie happens to work at the restaurant we were at and was able to meet Geordie and Mike. But the time spent was too short and we all had to go. But it was super meeting another OBC member for the first time and hopefully we'll see each other again. In the photo L-R is Geordie, Lynn, Mike, Rich Isn't OBC just the Greatest!!! Lynn ================= To: obc_v04-owner@yahoogroups.com, obcbobd@comcast.net, obcjohn@knology.net, Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 02:02:35 -0500 (EST) From: tply@aol.com Subject: Re: http://umbilicalpharma.in/2012best.php?cid33&kid38&ma713&d31 ================= To: Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 16:45:13 -0500 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Almost sneeked a peek!! Had a close call last night after work. I almost opened my Secret Santa, in violation of OBC protocol!! Fortunately, just as I was ready to crack that baby open, I looked on the back of the package and saw the "Do Not OpenTill Xmas" warning. Now I have to watch and wait. But, all good things to him who waiteth. ================= Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 03:54:21 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikerw7@gmail.com Subject: Pro Baseball in Nicaragua Hi, Friends. Last night, I accepted an invite to attend my first professional baseball game in Nicaragua. Of course, you are the folks with whom I want to share my experience. (I have to give the caveat that my Spanish is improving but still quite limited, and my new friend Erick speaks only a few words of English. ONe of the other guys is a lot closer to bilingual than I am, so I got a few clarifications, but I may still have misunderstood some specifics). Baseball is the national sport in Nicaragua, and is more popular here than futbol (soccer). We drove to Granada, which is about an hour from Managua. On the way, we got a quick tour of the stadium in Masaya. Masaya's field is quite nice. The first thing that caught my eye is a huge picture of Roberto Clemente painted on the outside wall (I'm sure you all know he was coming here to help with the earthquake recovery in '72 when his plane went down). There are aline of painted portraits there, other important players and managers, buthis was the only one I recognized. The Masaya stadium holds about 7,000 fans. Last year (or in a very recent year), the championship game was playedin Masaya against Managua, and Managua won. The home fans got upset and rather violent. The winning team had to be airlifted by helicopter back to Managua. I am not making this up. I asked my Nica Spanish profesora todayand she said she had heard that, too. I'm pretty sure it's true. Also on the way, I discovered that my host, Erick, is himself a former professional player. He played for 5 years, and had to stop when he was going up for a catch and had someone undercut him and landed on his wrist. He needed an operation (he showed me a big scar) and couldn't hit the same afterthat. He didn't seem bitter at all, just very matter-of-fact. He drives a taxi now. There are 4 teams in the league: Leon, Chinendega, Boer (Managua), and, Granada. Erick is a Boer fan, and Boer is in first place right now. The game started at 5:30 and we got there about 5:40, so we missed two batters. Granada's stadium holds about 10,000 and was left than half full whenwe arrived but was 2/3 to 3/4 capacity by halfway through the game. Therewas a light drizzle, very unusual for this time of year, which waxed and waned throughout. Granada scored a run in the bottom of the first before the starter worked his way out of trouble with the bases loaded. The game was a pitchers' duel and went 1-0 through 5 innings. I'm not sure how many men Granada left on base, but it was a lot. In the fifth inning, they loaded the bases and the Managua pitcher, who looked like he'd really lost it, fanned two batters in a row, both on what looked like change-up curveballs. Both batters swung like a mile ahead of the ball. The one notable fielding error I saw caused this rally: the Managua shortstop had a grounder to him which would have been the second out, but when he stopped it, it stayed on the ground in front of him as he came up to throw. Managua finally tied it up in the 6th, and then scored three more runs in the seventh. Granada again loaded the bases in the bottom of the 6th with no outs and Managua finally pulled their starter. The reliever (who looked HUGE, and Nicas in general aren't that tall) set them down with two strikeouts and a flyout. AFter that, I think Managua had 3 different pitchers forthe last three innings, but set them down 1-2-3 in the 8th and 9th. Managua actually threatened to score again in the 8th and 9th but couldn't get their security run. Turned out they didn't need it. General observations: The level of play reminded me of what I've seen of Double or Triple A. There were several great catches and one beautiful leaping throw by the Granada shortstop. The pitchers looked fast but not as fast as most pitchers in the MLB games I've seen. I desperately wanted to get a radar gun on them. I think there might have been one, but I wasn't close enough. Fundamentally the teams were pretty sound. I didn't see any stupid baserunning, any showboat plays, and I don't remember a single wild pitch or passed ball with a runner on base. They didn't play as much of a running game as I would have guessed, though they did attempt to hit and run a few times. The stadium was reasonably nice, but didn't look as good as the one in Masaya. Honestly, the field wasn't as nice a field as the one in Wenatchee where the Applesox, a wood bat, college eligible semi-pro team plays. I thinkthe lines were 330 each, and center field was 410, so it was good sized, with a seriously high wall in right field because of some huge advertisement. AFter the game, Erick introduced us to the starting pitcher for Managua andthe catcher for Granada, both of whom are on the National team, which is the equivalent of the all-star team, but better because they'll also represent Nicaragua in international play. Both guys were just walking away afterthe game. Celebrity is on a different scale here--and they were both really Here's the kicker--we bought tickets for the section behind home plate, which were not reserved seating, so you can sit anywhere you want there, first-come, first-serve. We took seats about 12 rows up and just a little left (third baseward) of home. You could also sit in the front row behind the backstop if you preferred, especially if you got there early enough. Admission is 15 cordobas for children, 40 for adults. The exchange rate is just under 23 cords to the dollar. I also bought four enchiladas from vendors (there are a LOT of vendors and they pass through ALL the time, not up the stairs but across the rows in front of you--though this proves that the rowsare more spacious than MLB parks I've been in), for 5 cords each. I fed two friends and myself for less than a buck. I didn't check prices on pop, beer, pizza or hamburgers (I didn't see any dogs or nachos), but I'm guessing between $1-$2. So the grand total for 5 guys was C$215 to get in, C$20 for food. C$235about $11. We also brought in some snacks and a drink, though apparently that is frowned on. I'm told that the Managua stadium holds 20,000. I'm excited to see that inmy next game. I think I'm going to be a Boers' fan (pronounced BO-AIR). It is my home city and my baseball connections thus far are. It was only slightly scary cheering for them aloud in Granada, after hearing the helicopter story. But that's only the finals! I'm not at all certain I got this part of the info right, so I'll need to ask again to make sure I got it. I believe the Nica players earn $3,000/season, and the foreign players receive $8,000 so that they can also pay for housing, transport, etc. The league has many players from the Dominican Republic, as well as quite a few from Cuba, and some from Panama. I don't know how many from the other Central American countries, but I think not many.In perspective, the average Nicaraguan earns $100-$150 a month, there is 60% unemployment here, and the threshold for being middle class is $1,000/month. One of the biggest problems for Nicaragua is that there is so very little middle class, which provides stability, infrastructure, etc. 10% here are wealthy, and the other 90% are very poor to destitute by our standards, though there is a small percentage who are middle class while the rest range from working poor to living on a dollar a day or less. So being a professional baseball player, while not on the same scale of ridiculous wealththat one achieves in the US, still gives one a very good living here. Theseason is 50 games long, so I'm certain virtually all the players have other professions, like they did in the US back in the 50's--I always love thecards that tell what the guys jobs were in the off-season. Oh, and one ofthe Granada player is the grandson of an former president! I'll let you know about my next Nicaraguan baseball adventure. I'm thinking I should round up some Dennis Martinez cards. He's a legend down here. The Managua stadium is Dennis Martinez National Stadium. So that's the report from here. Not bad for the "off-season," huh? Peace and Joy, Mike R-W ================= Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2011 12:27:06 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: 1966 Batman Cards Who out there collects and trades Batman cards? ================= Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2011 20:11:10 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Happy Holidays The Miller family wishes all our OBC family a truly wonderful holiday season and best wishes for 2012 to be better for each and every one in every way. I am so thankful to be able to call all of you friends. Combined tomake one incredible group unmatched anywhere. Our common love of cardboard has bonded us, but it's the individual and sometimes group sharing of the more personal aspects of our lives that is truly special. Thank you all for OBC is the Greatest. Joanne & Lynn, l-r Stanley 9, Jomar 14, Barry 19, Gracel 17 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 08:11:57 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: '52 Bowman Mantle Question Does this look real http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item110796103188&ssPageNameADME:B:SS:US:1123 Jeffrey Delott ================= To: jdelott@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 09:00:17 -0500 (EST) From: FIREMAN Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '52 Bowman Mantle Question I would stay away from it.....Looks like some one "AGED" it..... Id say reprint with some stains to make it look real -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Delott To: OBC-Ramblings ; vct Sent: Sun, Dec 18, 2011 3:12 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] '52 Bowman Mantle Question Does this look real http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item110796103188&ssPageNameADME:B:SS:US:1123 Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 18:09:14 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] '52 Bowman Mantle Question I agree w/Rob... A few things make me question it....not worth risking in my opinion. The bottom section of the reverse looks sketchy and as Rob mentioned, the aging looks "performed"
OBC Forever
Brian

Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2011 22:12:01 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: '52 Bowman Mantle Thanks for the feedback. Everyone advised avoiding the card. I was wary because I thought the borders looked too large. Jeffrey Delott ================= Date: Mon, 19 Dec 2011 23:07:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "klsdad2000" Subject: Can anybody use some euros? I found them on my cluttered desk. I have 40 euros that seem to be worth about $50 but my bank will only give me $40 after there fees. ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 10:21:44 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: T213 Walter Johnson Does anyone remember sending me a T213 Walter Johnson? This card was in a fire and is barely recognizable. COUPON Cigarettes on the back. Card is in two or three pieces. ================= To: obcbobd@gmail.com, obcjohn@knology.net, obclynn15@yahoo.com, Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:10:37 -0500 (EST) From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Fwd: http://corporacioncisa.com/bestsite.php?nid37&enjqo64&sj683&oc37 ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:27:36 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Removing spam from OBC servers Guys, I'd like to see these messages stop clogging our OBC servers. Dan Austin and Mark Talbot, you're both YahooGroups moderators--would you remove Rick Ellison and Kevin Martens as email members until we hear from them? (Each group has a members page; here's the Wantlist link.) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Wantlist/members ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 15:35:50 -0600 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: eBay Feedback Question I had always left feedback for eBay purchases and received feedback as well. Someone made the point that a buyer has done all that he is expected to do by paying for the item and should receive positive feedback after paying. Why give the seller feedback, if the seller hasn't already given you feedback? That seemed logical to me, so I stopped automatically sending positive feedback until I had received feedback from the seller. I've found that maybe 75% of sellers don't give positive feedback until they've received feedback from the buyer. I can also see an argument that a seller wants to know the buyer isn't going to complain about non-delivery, late delivery, or the condition of an item versus the listing. It looks like a stand-off. What do you guys think? George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 23:12:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: eBay Feedback Question I agree with whoever said the buyer has discharged his or her responsibility by paying, and thus the seller should leave feedback first. Unfortunatelyit seems as if some sellers won't post feedback for buyers until they receive feedback first. I refuse to leave feedback for sellers if they haven't left it for me. Once I receive feedback as a buyer, then & only then will I leave it for the Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "George and Susan Vrechek" > I had always left feedback for eBay purchases and received feedback as well. > Someone made the point that a buyer has done all that he is expected to do > by paying for the item and should receive positive feedback after paying. > Why give the seller feedback, if the seller hasn't already given you > feedback? That seemed logical to me, so I stopped automatically sending > positive feedback until I had received feedback from the seller. I've found > that maybe 75% of sellers don't give positive feedback until they've > received feedback from the buyer. I can also see an argument that a seller > wants to know the buyer isn't going to complain about non-delivery, late > delivery, or the condition of an item versus the listing. It looks like a > stand-off. What do you guys think? > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 18:24:37 -0500 To: Larry Tipton From: "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T213 Walter Johnson I want pictures Guru! Seems its been awhile since we've shared some Tipton Mints. On Dec 20, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Larry Tipton wrote: > Does anyone remember sending me a T213 Walter Johnson? This card was in afire and is barely recognizable. COUPON Cigarettes on the back. Card is intwo or three pieces. > Guru ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:17:48 -0800 (PST) To: Tom Housley , From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question I never left feedbackuntilseller did it first but when ebay changed the way they do it (as in) sellers can't leave negative feedback for buyers. I decided I would leave positive feed back as soon as Ireceivedthe card. Feedback for the buyer doesn't help you anyway (my opinion) so I don't care about getting more from the sellers. Sellers need the feedback . The way I understand it is your feedback isseparatedbetween you as a seller and you as a buyer. So you can have a 2000 feedback asa buyer but if you have never sold anything that feedback as a seller is 0until you start selling. From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2011 3:12 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question I agree with whoever said the buyer has discharged his or her responsibility by paying, and thus the seller should leave feedback first. Unfortunatelyit seems as if some sellers won't post feedback for buyers until they receive feedback first. I refuse to leave feedback for sellers if they haven't left it for me. Once I receive feedback as a buyer, then & only then will I leave it for the Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "George and Susan Vrechek" > I had always left feedback for eBay purchases and received feedback as well. > Someone made the point that a buyer has done all that he is expected to do > by paying for the item and should receive positive feedback after paying. > Why give the seller feedback, if the seller hasn't already given you > feedback? That seemed logical to me, so I stopped automatically sending > positive feedback until I had received feedback from the seller. I've found > that maybe 75% of sellers don't give positive feedback until they've > received feedback from the buyer. I can also see an argument that a seller > wants to know the buyer isn't going to complain about non-delivery, late > delivery, or the condition of an item versus the listing. It looks like a > stand-off. What do you guys think? > George Vrechek ================= To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 19:50:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question Could not have said it better Tom. Jeffrey Delott -----Original Message----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question I agree with whoever said the buyer has discharged his or her responsibility by paying, and thus the seller should leave feedback first. Unfortunatelyit seems as if some sellers won't post feedback for buyers until they receive feedback first. I refuse to leave feedback for sellers if they haven't left it for me. Once I receive feedback as a buyer, then & only then will I leave it for the Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "George and Susan Vrechek" > I had always left feedback for eBay purchases and received feedback as well. > Someone made the point that a buyer has done all that he is expected to do > by paying for the item and should receive positive feedback after paying. > Why give the seller feedback, if the seller hasn't already given you > feedback? That seemed logical to me, so I stopped automatically sending > positive feedback until I had received feedback from the seller. I've found > that maybe 75% of sellers don't give positive feedback until they've > received feedback from the buyer. I can also see an argument that a seller > wants to know the buyer isn't going to complain about non-delivery, late > delivery, or the condition of an item versus the listing. It looks like a > stand-off. What do you guys think? > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:53:00 -0800 (PST) To: Jeffrey Delott , directorth@aol.com, From: "trufan999@aol.com" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:01:19 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question Interesting. I rarely look at feedback at all. When I get the item, and only then, I try to give appropriate feedback, depending on how the item matches up to its description, how well it was packed, how quickly it was sent, whether or not the seller went any extra mile, and how much I was chargedfor But I have had very few problems so far (probably slightly over 1% of transactions), and nothing that wasn't eventually resolved in a way that satisfied me enough to be able to forget. 276 feedbacks so far, 100% positive. I can see both sides of the coin, I have bought and sold. I don't wait foranyone, I just give it when the other did his job. I also try to avoid giving negative feedback, I think I did it just once. Richard D To: jdelott@aol.com; directorth@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: trufan999@aol.com Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 16:53:00 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question I always wait until I get the item before I even look if I got feedback. IfI havent by then I do not give feedback, and I let it go. Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone --- Original Message --- From: Jeffrey Delott Sent: December 20, 2011 12/20/11 To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question Could not have said it better Tom. Jeffrey Delott -----Original Message----- From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 20, 2011 6:12 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: eBay Feedback Question I agree with whoever said the buyer has discharged his or her responsibility by paying, and thus the seller should leave feedback first. Unfortunatelyit seems as if some sellers won't post feedback for buyers until they receive feedback first. I refuse to leave feedback for sellers if they haven't left it for me. Once I receive feedback as a buyer, then & only then will I leave it for the Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "George and Susan Vrechek" > I had always left feedback for eBay purchases and received feedback as well. > Someone made the point that a buyer has done all that he is expected to do > by paying for the item and should receive positive feedback after paying. > Why give the seller feedback, if the seller hasn't already given you > feedback? That seemed logical to me, so I stopped automatically sending > positive feedback until I had received feedback from the seller. I've found > that maybe 75% of sellers don't give positive feedback until they've > received feedback from the buyer. I can also see an argument that a seller > wants to know the buyer isn't going to complain about non-delivery, late > delivery, or the condition of an item versus the listing. It looks like a > stand-off. What do you guys think? > George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 02:54:22 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: A shout out to Glenn's Secret Santa To whoever may be my Secret Santa...... I assume that you've most likely sent an envelope to my work address (the one that I have posted in the OBC directory). As yet, nothing has arrived here, and I suspect that this is due to the usual delays in the internationalpostal system at this time of year. I finish up for the holidays this Friday (23rd), and won't return to work until Monday, Jan 9th. If Santa is unable to make his delivery by Friday, I won't be able to get my paws on any goodies for a few weeks. I just wanted to let you know so you'll understand if thanks are not postedup straight away! Cheers for now! Glasgow, Scotland Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:38:41 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: T213 Walter Johnson Pics Content-Disposition: inline; ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 11:13:52 -0800 (PST) To: larrytipton@windstream.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T213 Walter Johnson Pics [2 Attachments] That is quite possibly the ugliest card I've ever seen! It reminds me of the pictures of frostbite that they make you look at in survival school... Take Care, On Wed, Dec 21, 2011 10:38 AM CST Larry Tipton wrote: ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:01:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Another 1971 Topps variation Hi fellas & Linda, I think I discovered variation that I don't remember being mentioned here before: 1971 Topps #243 Carlos May. On one of my dupes there is a large green splotch of something - looks like paint - on his chin. Found another one listed on eBay (my scanner's not hooked up right now but when it is I'll post a side-by-side, unless someone beats me to it.) Here's the link to the one on eBay that's identical to the one I have: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item370160122332&category213&_trksidp5197.c0.m619 How about it - does anyoner else have this one in their collection yet? Tom Housley ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 23:28:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Any Randy Johnson fans I have a poster of him at Cohen Stadium in El Paso on a rehab assignment. All I ask is for the postage to be covered by cards - Phillies if possible. Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 22:11:39 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Rick Lyons Subject: 74 topps stamps Beckett doesn't have a list of the full sheets if someone has a book that does can you please send me a copy of the list. Thanks Rick ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 04:05:10 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Want list clean-up help/1970-71 Esso Power Players I've been having a look at a few of my want lists in an effort to tidy up some inaccuracies, and perhaps knock off a few cards that don't need to be there. Can anyone tell me if the following players from the 1970/71 Esso Power Players Hockey Set are shown as Detroit Red Wings? Wayne Connolly Billy Dea Don Luce Jim Rutherford I know they're all SPs, but I'm just not entirely sure if they should be onmy Red Wings list or not. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:06:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Checking my 2011 collecting goals In January of 2011, a bunch of us posted our goals for 2011. I went back & found my posting, so now, let's see how I did (keeping in mind that there are still about 8 days left in the year!): 1) Complete the 71/72 Topps Hockey booklet set. Need 1 common, so that should be easy. **GOAL ACHIEVED!** 2) Complete my 1975 Topps mini set (down to only 4, but one's the Brett) **GOAL ACHIEVED! Thanks to Sal at the National! 3) Get my '55 Bowman set to only the Mantle (need 2 more to accomplish thisone); **GOAL ACHIEVED** Thanks to my wife, who got me the 2 I needed for my birthday. Still need the Mick though. 4) Complete the 1960 Topps back variations. Shouldn't be too difficult, with some luck at shows; **GOAL ALMOST ACHIEVED - just need a gray back Roger Maris to achieve this one 5) Knock off at least 2 of the very tough remaining 1957 Topps I need; **GOAL ACHIEVED but just barely. Got one of the base set cards & one checklist this year. 6) The tough one: complete my 1960 Topps set. Need 6 but they won't come cheap. **GOAL STILL NOT ACHIEVED - close but no cigar so far; still need the Mantle (the last card I need) 7) Kill off at least 10 of the '54 Bowman I still need, either variations or the base set; **GOAL ACHIEVED - now down to just 4 for the base set & about 4 variations. 8) Make it back to the National after missing last year's, & re-connect (orconnect for the first time)with whoever from the group can make it to the Windy **GOAL ACHIEVED - had a great time this year with everyone! 9) Send out more RAOK's to the group. **GOAL NOT ACHIEVED - gotta find time next year to hit more wantlists with RAOK. Coming up next week: goals for 2012! Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:36:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: Want list clean-up help/1970-71 Esso Power Players Did a Google search & all 4 on the list are Red Wings. Check out the pics on the link - it shows all 4 guys in Red Wings unis: http://www.network54.com/Forum/381767/thread/1189460748/last-1189467015/esso+power+players --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > Guys, > I've been having a look at a few of my want lists in an effort to tidy upsome inaccuracies, and perhaps knock off a few cards that don't need to bethere. > Can anyone tell me if the following players from the 1970/71 Esso Power Players Hockey Set are shown as Detroit Red Wings? > Wayne Connolly > Billy Dea > Don Luce > Jim Rutherford > I know they're all SPs, but I'm just not entirely sure if they should be on my Red Wings list or not. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 09:44:28 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Want list clean-up help/1970-71 Esso Power Players Thanks, Tom. Nice work tracking that down. I couldn't find any images of those cards at all! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList From: Tom Housley To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2011 5:36 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Want list clean-up help/1970-71 Esso Power Players Did a Google search & all 4 on the list are Red Wings. Check out the pics on the link - it shows all 4 guys in Red Wings unis: http://www.network54.com/Forum/381767/thread/1189460748/last-1189467015/esso+power+players --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere wrote: > Guys, > I've been having a look at a few of my want lists in an effort to tidy upsome inaccuracies, and perhaps knock off a few cards that don't need to bethere. > Can anyone tell me if the following players from the 1970/71 Esso Power Players Hockey Set are shown as Detroit Red Wings? > Wayne Connolly > Billy Dea > Don Luce > Jim Rutherford > I know they're all SPs, but I'm just not entirely sure if they should be on my Red Wings list or not. > Glenn > Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 15:19:04 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: Re: Another 1971 Topps variation Tom: I have a "no splotch" ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:07:23 -0500 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Christmas clean up--anyone want this stuff? I'm cleaning up around the house and have dupes that I'd like to find nice homes for. If you'd like any of this, just says so: Mother's Cookies complete sets 1986 A's 1995 Giants 1998 A's Fleer Greats #71 Earl Averill Trimmed cards: 52 Topps 89, 217, 222 53 Topps 190, 205 54 Topps 75 55 Topps 83 51 Bowman 45, 48 52 Bowman 88 53 Bowman 7 54 Bowman 5, 22, 125, 181 64 Standups--missing background Lee Thomas 71 Giant--well loved Bando 65 Embossed, well loved: 64 Giant of Leon Wagner (good shape, sorry about that :-) And some McDonald's football from 1986, all Eagles Let me know, and Merry Christmas to all ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 17:20:47 -0500 To: Larry Tipton From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Another 1971 Topps variation Mine also is splotchless. Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2011, at 3:19 PM, Larry Tipton wrote: > Tom: I have a "no splotch" > Guru ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:49:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: 1971 Carlos "Splotchy" May For those of you who aren't in the "Variations group - and who are interested in such things - I posted a side-by-side of Splotchy & No Splotchy Carlos May in the Photos section of the Ramblings server. It's in a new folder I created called "Variations." Tom Housley ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 18:53:49 -0500 (EST) To: directorth@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1971 Carlos "Splotchy" May Content-Language: en I think George posted a rambling a while ago about the difference between a variation and a print run error (I don't remember the actual term he used). One was an actual mistake in typesetting or in a statistic, or a deliberate difference (gray vs white backs, white vs black bios, etc), and the other was something that went wrong with the printing process. This sounds more like a printing error than a variation Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 12/22/2011 5:49:48 P.M. Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com writes: For those of you who aren't in the "Variations group - and who are interested in such things - I posted a side-by-side of Splotchy & No Splotchy Carlos May in the Photos section of the Ramblings server. It's in a new folder I created called "Variations." Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 20:24:41 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: 1969 topps lacks Whoa! So I started working on the 69 set earlier this year. I have 303 cards - probably 90% from OBC - Anyway, I=92ve kept them in a nice box and been waiting to get near the =BD point to start their own binder. Tonight I realized I didn=92t have the Phillies team card from 1969. Then I realized THERE IS NONE. I scanned through the box of cards and not a single team card from 1969. What=92s up with that!?! I did a quick look and it seems like the =9258 topps didn=92t have team cards either. Any historians know why they skipped this =91tradition=92 in =9269?? ================= Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2011 23:18:18 -0500 To: "" From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1969 topps lacks My guess is that they left them out because the Padres, Royals, Pilots, andExpos joined MLB. Because they were expansion teams, there were probably no team photos available. I guess they still could have done what they didin 77 when they only showed the coaches of the Blue Jays and Mariners and the full team for everyone else--but that might have looked strange. Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Dec 22, 2011, at 8:24 PM, "Matt Yudt" wrote: > Whoa! So I started working on the 69 set earlier this year. I have 303 cards - probably 90% from OBC - Anyway, I=E2=99ve kept them in a nice box and been waiting to get near the =BD point to start their own binder. Tonight I realized I didn=E2=99t have the Phillies team card from 1969.Then I realized THERE IS NONE. I scanned through the box of cards and not a single team card from 1969. What=E2=99s up with that!?! I did a quick look and it seems like the =E2=9958 topps didn=E2=99t have team cards either. Any historians know why they skipped this =E2tradition=E2=99 in =E2=9969?? > yoot ================= Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 03:12:13 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: It's here...... Secret Santa visited Glasgow today. These days, he seems to be living underthe assumed name of Stan Hack in Sterling Heights, MI. Roll on Sunday! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= To: Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 10:44:28 -0600 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Re: Checking my 2011 collecting goals Tom Housley's example got me into establishing collecting goals the last two years. I think it helps. My 2011 goal was to pick up 278 cards in a bunch of different sets. I'm at 331 at the moment. 74 of those were Hostess cards and 84 were 61 Fleer footballs which I just started on in earnest the last few years. However, I was also able to make progress on some difficult sets. I picked up 31 1940 Playballs and 22 1951 Topps Ringsides. 150 hockey cards showed up in May courtesy of Steve Rittenberg. I added hockey cards to my list and picked up another 174, many through OBCers. Peter Mead sent me one 1962 Post Lynch. While it was only one card, it was sure one difficult card to knock off my My goals for 2012 include 208 baseball, football, basketball, and boxing cards and 200 hockey cards as a separate category. I'll see how it goes. One thing seems pretty certain though. If you are a collector, there is always something on your list. George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2011 23:48:56 -0500 (EST) From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: 1972 and 1975 availables Dear OBCers- After a year of semi-dormancy, time to clean out the closets including about 100 1975 mini dups. I also have 200 1972 Topps, oddly most are #300 or less although the 400's and 500's don't seem to be scarer per the SCD 2008 cateloge. Also have #734 for anyone getting close and looking to knock off high-numbers. Send a list or request a starter set, available for the asking.May need some time to send outgoings after the New Year. Speaking of the new year, if you happen to spot any 1914 Fatima T222 track & field on Ebay etc in OBC grade please drop me a line, this is the last major set of vintage that I know of with track & field athletes where I lack a type card and I would like to pick one up this year. Baker (sprinter); McGrath (shotput); Meyer (sprinter); Muller (discuss) are the track & field athletes, along with 52 baseball players and some actors. Also, anyone collecting Pan Handle Scrap, Spalding Champions, or interested in track & field in general please drop me an email as I have some dups on those early 20th century. Happy Holidays! ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 08:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: Auction Sites Question Several months ago I bought some 1972 Topps cards by mistake. I finally have some free time and figured I'd try to sell them. If I understand correctly, ebay takes 9% of the sales price. Is there another auction site thatpeople would recommend using over ebay? Jeffrey Delott ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 19:52:29 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: test ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2011 20:15:11 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: ATT sucks and OBC is good So, for some reason, ATT reset all my yahoo settings to an email address I have never used or wanted. So for the past month, I have not been able to get any OBC emails...In fact, the last one I got was the OBC XMAS exchange announcement. It took me an hour today to fix the group settings and make sure ATT would not do that again. They are the worst and I would drop them ina heartbeat if I had any kind of a choice. Anyway...Happy Holidays to all...did want to say, I got my OBC holiday package in the mail late this year but I think the person will get it today. MyOBC package has not arrived yet but I have not checked my snail mail yet so there is still hope. Hope all is well and it is good to be back! Joshua Levine ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 08:18:00 -0500 To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" Subject: OBC Secret Santa OBC Secret Santa, Joe Adriance, sends an awesome Christmas puffy! Included were a few "previews", a couple hits to the '59 Topps set and a black beauty hi#, along with the wrapped portion with instructions to wait until today. So, once the daughter had finished pouring through her Santa goodies, I was able to settle into the recliner and rip open that glorious package. Inside were 3 great hits to the Dale Murphy list, a throwback '79 Topps Murph,a 2010 Topps style Murph and the piece de restance (sp?) a 2005 Diamond King with jersey swatches and an awesome Murphy autograph!!! Thanks a ton, Joe! Merry Christmas to all OBC! Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 09:36:26 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Merry Christmas! OBCers -- My secret Santa checked in with a phone call to let me know the deer got stuck in the snow along the way, but not to be worried. It was great talking to Geordie again - it's been a long time since we've hooked up. The first time I met him was at Lefty O'Douls in San Francisco many moons ago, along with the San Fran contingent. We discussed trying to get another Vegasget-together planned, which would be awesome! We'd definitely have a lot of candidates for the shoes... I hope you all have a wonderful day and enjoy whatever traditions you have. It's certainly a magical time of year! Now, off to brew some homemade Take Care, ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 17:08:46 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: Christmas Thanks. Santa Bob Saxton sent his package before Thanksgiving which meant 1) I had a long time to refrain from opening it and 2) I had to make sure it didn't get misplaced. Well I managed to not lose it and not open it until today. Bob sent over some reading material. A Baseball Bumblers book which I'm already half done with. Inside the book were a trio of bookmarks. A 1959 Steve Bilko to upgrade the trimmed one in the binder and a pair of "normal" woodies of Bob Cerv and Joe Cunningham to go with the "greenies" I already had. Thanks Santa Bob and hope you and everybody else in OBC land had a safe andhappy -Bob R.=09=09=09=09=09 ================= Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 18:29:58 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Thomas Elliott Subject: I meet my first OBC member face to face Mac Wubben visited his mother for the holidays in this remote, northern outpost I call home (St. Cloud, Minnesota). OK, it's not that remote (about 70miles from Minneapolis). But it ain't Washington, D.C., either, and that'swhere Mac calls home these days. It was a great time. We met a Caribou Coffee by our shopping mall. I had mygirlfriend, Kim, in tow. There was some pleasant conversation and a whole lot of baseball card talk during a break in my Christmas shopping. Mac brought along some great cards. There were a couple of '69 Tops cards, including a Bob Gibson All-Star card, the A.L. RBI Leaders of '68 thank includes Hawk Harrelson, Frank Howard and Jim Northrup. Then there was a '61T Richie Ashburn to knock off a hit from my birth set. But my favorite card that Mac brought me was a T-206 of "Payne, Chicago, Amer." I believe this is Fred Payne, who played for the White Sox from 1909-11. He was a second baseman/outfielder, according to Baseball-Reference.com,and a light-hitting one (.215 career average). It's my first T-206. I pass on a huge "thank you" to Mac, my first face-to-face meeting with an OBC Thanks for letting me share this story, Tom Elliott ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 25 Dec 2011 21:51:54 -0500 (EST) From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: burned reprints I guess some people figure they can make money aging and burning reprints?!? Happy holidays from San Fran. http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-TOPPS-123-SANDY-KOUFAX-AGED-ROOKIE-REPRINT-L-K-/220918182394?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem336fbff1fa http://www.ebay.com/itm/1955-Topps-Sandy-Koufax-123-Rookie-Card-RP-/280795024427?ptUS_Baseball&hashitem4160b00c2b ================= To: Date: Mon, 26 Dec 2011 13:32:38 -0600 From: "Mark Zentkovich" Subject: Y Santa, Y? secret santa Matt Yudt surprises me with a very nice foursome: 68 brock and maxville, 69 shannon, 67 brock/flood not sure why santa was so good to me, must have been a good boy this year?! thanks alot, Matt, great stuff ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 00:23:23 -0500 (EST) From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Topps boss article FYI, for those of you who are interested on this article on Ryan O'Hara. I enjoyed http://www.stanfordmag-digital.com/stanfordmag/20110506?pg40#pg40 ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 15:27:33 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Wow - just wow! After going to visit the in-laws in Cleveland on Saturday & Sunday, my wife, oldest daughter & I came home yesterday & did our gift exchange last night (along with daughter number 2, who spent Christmas with her boyfriend's family in Pittsburgh). My wife has a history of killing sets for me; in two past Christmases, she's surprised me with the '56 Mantle, to put that set to bed, and then a '62 Mantle to kill that set too. Well, last night topped both of those: surpisenumber 1 was a 1960 Topps Mantle - and yes, it killed that set. I jokingly told her that next year she can kill my '55 Bowman set with the Mick - but lo and behold, the last thing I opened contained surprise number 2 - the '55 Bowman Mantle! Two vintage sets killed with two Mantles. So I guess I have to get a couple more of my sets down to just the Mick. 1954 Boiwman, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1964 & 1965 Topps are awfully close to completion & each needs the Mantle - time to start on next year's Christmas list! Tom Housley ================= To: "'Tom Housley'" , Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 10:39:26 -0500 From: "Matt Yudt" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! Wow! Is right. That's awesome. Does she have any sisters?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! After going to visit the in-laws in Cleveland on Saturday & Sunday, my wife, oldest daughter & I came home yesterday & did our gift exchange last night (along with daughter number 2, who spent Christmas with her boyfriend's family in Pittsburgh). My wife has a history of killing sets for me; in two past Christmases, she's surprised me with the '56 Mantle, to put that set to bed, and then a '62 Mantle to kill that set too. Well, last night topped both of those: surpise number 1 was a 1960 Topps Mantle - and yes, it killed that set. I jokingly told her that next year she can kill my '55 Bowman set with the Mick - but lo and behold, the last thing I opened contained surprise number 2 - the '55 Bowman Mantle! Two vintage sets killed with two Mantles. So I guess I have to get a couple more of my sets down to just the Mick. 1954 Boiwman, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1964 & 1965 Topps are awfully close to completion & each needs the Mantle - time to start on next year's Christmas Tom Housley ================= To: yudts5@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 11:03:35 -0500 (EST) From: Tom Housley Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! Yep - 3. And one's still single!! -----Original Message----- From: Matt Yudt To: 'Tom Housley' ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:34 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! Wow! Is right. That=E2=99s awesome. Does she have any sisters?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! After going to visit the in-laws in Cleveland on Saturday & Sunday, my wife, oldest daughter & I came home yesterday & did our gift exchange last night (along with daughter number 2, who spent Christmas with her boyfriend's family in Pittsburgh). My wife has a history of killing sets for me; in two past Christmases, she's surprised me with the '56 Mantle, to put that set to bed, and then a '62 Mantle to kill that set too. Well, last night topped both of those: surpisenumber 1 was a 1960 Topps Mantle - and yes, it killed that set. I jokinglytold her that next year she can kill my '55 Bowman set with the Mick - butlo and behold, the last thing I opened contained surprise number 2 - the '55 Bowman Mantle! Two vintage sets killed with two Mantles. So I guess I have to get a couple more of my sets down to just the Mick. 1954 Boiwman, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1964 & 1965 Topps are awfully close to completion & each needs the Mantle - time to start on next year's Christmas list! Tom Housley ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 02:51:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 03:52:14 +0000 (UTC) To: mikesportsfan From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 19:57:55 -0800 (PST) To: mikesportsfan , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Fellas -- I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend withoutknowing about it... Take Care, --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 20:06:12 -0800 (PST) To: mikesportsfan , From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's a short obit...only 31 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-distelrath&pid154460883&fhid3983 --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= To: "'Dan Angland'" , Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:23:10 -0500 From: "ken pillion" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I exchanged e-mails with Ryan a few months ago. Apparently he had been confined to a wheel chair for some time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Angland Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:06 PM To: mikesportsfan; Geordie Calvert Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's a short obit...only 31 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?n=ryan-diste &pid=154460883&fhid=3983 --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 To: Geno Wagner From: "Jimmy \"Catfish\" Parker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation to the American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, but that's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss it is the loss of a friend. Rest in Peace Ryan, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: > From: Geordie Calvert > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > To: "mikesportsfan" > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM > Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? > Geordie > From: "mikesportsfan" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsignednote stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. > If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards > Ripped > In > Places > But now Rest In Peace. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:37:52 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Yes, he was paralyzed in June of 2007. Here's a message I pulled of the ramblings server from 7/27/2007. "hello fellow collectors, if i owe anybody thanks i do apologize. ive been sitting in the hospital for over va month now. on june 25th i woke up and was paralyzed from the chest down. it seems that two lesions formed on my spine. the doctors seem to think that it is one of 3 things. either it is a disease called transverse mellitus, my immune system attacked my spine for some reason, or 2 strokes on my spinal column occured. hopefully it is one of the first two because ifits strokes there is no chance of recovery. i cann use most of the musclesin my arms but my fingers do not move. i have plastic things wrapped around my fingers so i can type. it is a strange sensation being paralyzed... i have nno feelings in my body whatsoever. they gave me a spinal tap as well as changed my catheter and i didnt feel it at all. last night my dad took me his laptop and a cingular broadband card so i am in business. i still want to collect cards but im going to need help in handling them and looking at them if i do not get better. please keep me in your prayers guys. take care -ryan distelrath" R.I.P Ryan. To: duph182@yahoo.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com; dodgergeo@comcast.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kenpillion@windstream.net Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:23:10 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I exchanged e-mails with Ryan a few months ago. Apparently he had been confined to a wheel chair for some time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Angland Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:06 PM To: mikesportsfan; Geordie Calvert Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's a short obit...only 31 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-distelrath&pid154460883&fhid3983 --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out toRyan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= To: Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:58:30 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's his OBC bio: "I joined up with this amazing group in 1991 through Prodigy when I was just 11 years old and followed them to Compuserve for a little while after that. I got discouraged once my entire collection was stolen, so I dropped outof the scene for a few (many) years. I rekindled the never-dying old baseall card spirit after the purchase of a 1959 Hank Aaron all star card, and it's been all over with since. I refound this wonderful group simply by typing "Larry Tipton" into google. On 06/25/07 I woke up as a quadriplegic due to a stroke in the spine at the C6/C7 level. Just low enough of an injury to allow me to regain partial use of my left hand, so I can still collate cards!!! I have an associates degree in electrical engineering. I spent the first 12 years of my life in southern California (Go DODGERS!), then moved to where I currently reside in Clarksville, Tennessee." I just re-read it to refresh my memory of what I had read some time ago andforgotten. I had sent him a stack of cards 2 years ago but never receiveda reply. I can only imagine what life is like with only partial use of the left hand. If OBC decides to make some appropriate gesture, I would be in favor of it. Richard D CC: mikesportsfan@aol.com; dodgergeo@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com From: catfish.obc@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation to the American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, but that's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss it is the loss of a friend. Rest in Peace Ryan, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: Fellas -- I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... Take Care, --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out toRyan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 05:13:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: sad news I sent cards to Ryan once or twice and corresponded with him once or twice.He told me one time that he did have great difficulty typing It is sad when we do lose someone. Richard Labs ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 00:52:04 -0500 (EST) From: FIREMAN Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Ryan was a good person, I spoke to him MANY times on AOL, and FACE book. I am terribly saddenedby this, as he and I talked alot, and became close online friends. He shared very personal things about his condition with me. Ryan told me about theseizure/stroke he had in his spine which left him a quadriplegic. Ryan also told me that he had seizures on a daily basis. I think he lived his life to the fullest given his condition He would love to share pictures he took of him in his wheel chair having fun at parties and with friends, every picture i saw of him he had a HUGE SMILE. Once in a while he would seem depressed but god who wouldn't, but most of the time we would talk about good things...God I am so sad to hear of this news, I dont want to say i had a bad feeling something was wrong but I kind of knew as I had not seen him onlinein quite some time. I honestly dont even remember if he and I ever exchanged cards, but we exchanged something more precious then cards, we exchanged friendship, and i am very upset right now. Lets Keep him and his family in our prayers thoughts or what ever you believe in. Here is to my friend RYAN REST IN PEACE my Good FRIEND Robert Gioia -----Original Message----- From: richard dingman To: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:58 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's his OBC bio: "I joined up with this amazing group in 1991 through Prodigy when I was just 11 years old and followed them to Compuserve for a little while after that. I got discouraged once my entire collection was stolen, so I dropped outof the scene for a few (many) years. I rekindled the never-dying old baseall card spirit after the purchase of a 1959 Hank Aaron all star card, and it's been all over with since. I refound this wonderful group simply by typing "Larry Tipton" into google. On 06/25/07 I woke up as a quadriplegic due to a stroke in the spine at the C6/C7 level. Just low enough of an injury to allow me to regain partial use of my left hand, so I can still collate cards!!! I have an associates degree in electrical engineering. I spent the first 12 years of my life in southern California (Go DODGERS!), then moved to where I currently reside in Clarksville, Tennessee." I just re-read it to refresh my memory of what I had read some time ago andforgotten. I had sent him a stack of cards 2 years ago but never receiveda reply. I can only imagine what life is like with only partial use of the left hand. If OBC decides to make some appropriate gesture, I would be in favor of it. Richard D CC: mikesportsfan@aol.com; dodgergeo@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com From: catfish.obc@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation to the American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, but that's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss it is the loss of a friend. Rest in Peace Ryan, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: Fellas -- I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... Take Care, --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out toRyan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 12:07:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: sad news Wow, this is truly a shock. I never met Ryan in person, but had several on-line conversations with him and considered him a friend. Despite what he'd been through, most of the time he had a very good outlook on life. I'll always remember how grateful he was for the projects we spearheaded to try to complete his '59 and '62 sets. Here's a link to his on-line obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-distelrath&pid154460883&fhid3983 RIP Ryan; you will be missed by your OBC family. Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, FIREMAN wrote: > Ryan was a good person, > I spoke to him MANY times on AOL, and FACE book. I am terribly saddened by this, as he and I talked alot, and became close online friends. He shared very personal things about his condition with me. Ryan told me about the seizure/stroke he had in his spine which left him a quadriplegic. Ryan also told me that he had seizures on a daily basis. I think he lived his life to the fullest given his condition He would love to share pictures he took of him in his wheel chair having fun at parties and with friends, every picture i saw of him he had a HUGE SMILE. Once in a while he would seem depressed but god who wouldn't, but most of the time we would talk about good things...God I am so sad to hear of this news, I dont want to say i had a bad feeling something was wrong but I kind of knew as I had not seen him online in quite some time. I honestly dont even remember if he and I ever exchanged cards, but we exchanged something more precious then cards, we exchanged friendship, and i am very upset right now. Lets Keep him and his familyin our prayers thoughts or what ever you believe in. > Here is to my friend RYAN > REST IN PEACE my Good FRIEND > Robert Gioia > -----Original Message----- > From: richard dingman > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:58 pm > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > Here's his OBC bio: > "I joined up with this amazing group in 1991 through Prodigy when I was just 11 years old and followed them to Compuserve for a little while after that. I got discouraged once my entire collection was stolen, so I dropped out of the scene for a few (many) years. I rekindled the never-dying old baseall card spirit after the purchase of a 1959 Hank Aaron all star card, andit's been all over with since. I refound this wonderful group simply by typing "Larry Tipton" into google. On 06/25/07 I woke up as a quadriplegic due to a stroke in the spine at the C6/C7 level. Just low enough of an injuryto allow me to regain partial use of my left hand, so I can still collate cards!!! I have an associates degree in electrical engineering. I spent thefirst 12 years of my life in southern California (Go DODGERS!), then movedto where I currently reside in Clarksville, Tennessee." > I just re-read it to refresh my memory of what I had read some time ago and forgotten. I had sent him a stack of cards 2 years ago but never received a reply. I can only imagine what life is like with only partial use of the left hand. If OBC decides to make some appropriate gesture, I would bein favor of it. > Richard D > CC: mikesportsfan@...; dodgergeo@...; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > To: illini_grad_90@... > From: catfish.obc@... > Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation tothe American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. > Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, butthat's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss itis the loss of a friend. > Rest in Peace Ryan, > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: > From: Geordie Calvert > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > To: "mikesportsfan" > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM > Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? > Geordie > From: "mikesportsfan" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsignednote stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. > If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards > Ripped > In > Places > But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 09:05:11 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Larry Tipton Subject: re: Sad News Ryan will be missed:( ================= To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 10:25:13 -0500 (EST) From: Joshua Levine Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Very sad...Ryan had a great attitude and I loved chatting with him over theyears. He was one great kid and collector. -----Original Message----- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:51 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 17:13:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: Re: sad news That is sad. Ryan was a great guy and he was of the OBC spirit. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "mikesportsfan" wrote: > Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. > If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards > Ripped > In > Places > But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 11:43:03 -0800 (PST) To: "OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Jeffrey Whitworth Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: sad news Ryan was acool dude. Just the other day I wondered why I hadn't heardfrom him in a while. I just can't get over how young he was. Whenever I loose a loved one or friend in my life I try to focus on the good times I hadwith the person. We had a lot of very nice discussions online. The one thing I will never forget, is whenhis lady friends visited him at the hospital and gave him a good time exposing certain body parts. He posted the pictures on Facebook and needless to say, it didn't take long for Facebook to remove them. He looked so happy in those pics. If any of you saw the pics, you know what I am talking about. I laughed and laughed looking at Ryan's expressions in those pics. I will miss him. Rest in Peace my bud. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "mikesportsfan" wrote: > Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsignednote stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. > If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards > Ripped > In > Places > But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2011 21:11:44 +0000 (UTC) To: From: Subject: Baseball stats fans...a must read! http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/7365950/strange-true-feats-year-regular-season-edition Amazing information here OBC Forever Sent from Xfinity Mobile App iPAD ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 07:45:40 -0800 (PST) To: OBCRamblings , From: EEK Subject: A Rambling Santa Thanks Actually this is a small Ramble but big on Thanks!Got back in town last night and collected my mail from my neighbor which included a box from my OBC Santa, or as he puts it my "religious" Kris Kringle. That would be Fr. Pat Wattigny of course. Inside said box was The DetroitTigers: An Illustrated History written by Joe Falls. This is a fantastic gift for any Tiger fan especially one who grew up as I did reading Joe's editorials in the Detroit Times, News and Free Press. I can recall standing on the corner waiting for the delivery truck to arrive with my bundles of papers and even before folding them and putting them in my canvas bag for delivery I would go directly to the sports page to read Joe's column. Always insightful and often controversial Joe was a respected writer, statistician and historian. I can recall times when I would get so angry with articles he wrote that I would vow never to read another, but of course I always would. I remember Joe being merciless on players who he thought did not live up to expectations. He was particularly hard on Rocky Colovito and would track his RNBI (Runs Not Batted In) when Rocky would strand runners on base. Needless to say Joe and the Rock had what Ernie Harwell referred to as a "Rocky" Thanks Fr. Santa for this much appreciated addition to my Tigers library. Oops, I almost forgot, it was an OBC gift so there had to be a card, in this case a 70 Kellogg Willie Horton that was also much appreciated. Hope all are having a safe and happy holiday season. "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 12:22:56 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Golf Anyone else interested? It's starting soon. Let me know and if enoughinterest, will form an OBC league. ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 13:30:37 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Golf Great, had a few takers already so we are a GO! League ID is 6495 OBC Hackers and password is obc. We need no minimum. First PGA tournament is next week, 6-9 Jan, Hyundai Tournament of Champions, Kapalua HI. So get signed up and joined by then. Go to Yahoo Sports Fantasy tab. League runs the whole PGA season. Points are cumulative based on your playersperformance. So sign up and let's have som fun. FORE! Lynn ================= To: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 18:03:22 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: topps cool cards I don't think I reminded you all this summer/fall, and for the new guys... check out my collection of topps coolest cards... one from each year 1951-2011. This year was a tough choice. The address is: http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cooltopps/front.htm Have fun! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 20:29:15 -0500 (EST) From: KEVINM38@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 3811 Hi all, Very sad about Ryan, and he was so young. If OBC does anything..Count Me in.. Wishing Everyone in OBC land a Happy and HEALTHY New Year Kevin Martens -----Original Message----- From: OBC-Ramblings To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Wed, Dec 28, 2011 8:07 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 3811 OBC (Ramblings) Messages In This Digest (14 Messages) Wow - just wow! From: Tom Housley Re: Wow - just wow! From: Matt Yudt Re: Wow - just wow! From: Tom Housley sad news From: mikesportsfan Re: sad news From: Geordie Calvert Re: sad news From: Geno Wagner Re: sad news From: Dan Angland Re: sad news From: ken pillion Re: sad news From: Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Re: sad news From: Bob Reed Re: sad news From: richard dingman sad news From: Richard Re: sad news From: FIREMAN Re: sad news From: Tom Housley View All Topics | Create New Topic Messages Wow - just wow! Posted by: "Tom Housley" directorth@aol.com tomhousley_2000 Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:27 am (PST) After going to visit the in-laws in Cleveland on Saturday & Sunday, my wife, oldest daughter & I came home yesterday & did our gift exchange last night (along with daughter number 2, who spent Christmas with her boyfriend's family in Pittsburgh). My wife has a history of killing sets for me; in two past Christmases, she's surprised me with the '56 Mantle, to put that set to bed, and then a '62 Mantle to kill that set too. Well, last night topped both of those: surpisenumber 1 was a 1960 Topps Mantle - and yes, it killed that set. I jokinglytold her that next year she can kill my '55 Bowman set with the Mick - butlo and behold, the last thing I opened contained surprise number 2 - the '55 Bowman Mantle! Two vintage sets killed with two Mantles. So I guess I have to get a couple more of my sets down to just the Mick. 1954 Boiwman, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1964 & 1965 Topps are awfully close to completion & each needs the Mantle - time to start on next year's Christmas list! Tom Housley Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) Re: Wow - just wow! Posted by: "Matt Yudt" yudts5@verizon.net Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:34 am (PST) Wow! Is right. That's awesome. Does she have any sisters?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! After going to visit the in-laws in Cleveland on Saturday & Sunday, my wife, oldest daughter & I came home yesterday & did our gift exchange last night (along with daughter number 2, who spent Christmas with her boyfriend's family in Pittsburgh). My wife has a history of killing sets for me; in two past Christmases, she's surprised me with the '56 Mantle, to put that set to bed, and then a '62 Mantle to kill that set too. Well, last night topped both of those: surpise number 1 was a 1960 Topps Mantle - and yes, it killed that set. I jokingly told her that next year she can kill my '55 Bowman set with the Mick - but lo and behold, the last thing I opened contained surprise number 2 - the '55 Bowman Mantle! Two vintage sets killed with two Mantles. So I guess I have to get a couple more of my sets down to just the Mick. 1954 Boiwman, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1964 & 1965 Topps are awfully close to completion & each needs the Mantle - time to start on next year's Christmas Tom Housley Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) Re: Wow - just wow! Posted by: "Tom Housley" directorth@aol.com tomhousley_2000 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:04 am (PST) Yep - 3. And one's still single!! -----Original Message----- From: Matt Yudt To: 'Tom Housley' ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 10:34 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! Wow! Is right. That=E2=99s awesome. Does she have any sisters?? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tom Housley Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 10:28 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Wow - just wow! After going to visit the in-laws in Cleveland on Saturday & Sunday, my wife, oldest daughter & I came home yesterday & did our gift exchange last night (along with daughter number 2, who spent Christmas with her boyfriend's family in Pittsburgh). My wife has a history of killing sets for me; in two past Christmases, she's surprised me with the '56 Mantle, to put that set to bed, and then a '62 Mantle to kill that set too. Well, last night topped both of those: surpisenumber 1 was a 1960 Topps Mantle - and yes, it killed that set. I jokinglytold her that next year she can kill my '55 Bowman set with the Mick - butlo and behold, the last thing I opened contained surprise number 2 - the '55 Bowman Mantle! Two vintage sets killed with two Mantles. So I guess I have to get a couple more of my sets down to just the Mick. 1954 Boiwman, 1957, 1958, 1959, 1964 & 1965 Topps are awfully close to completion & each needs the Mantle - time to start on next year's Christmas list! Tom Housley Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (3) sad news Posted by: "mikesportsfan" mikesportsfan@aol.com mikesportsfan Tue Dec 27, 2011 6:51 pm (PST) Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "Geordie Calvert" dodgergeo@comcast.net the_narrow_path Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:52 pm (PST) Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "Geno Wagner" illini_grad_90@yahoo.com illini_grad_90 Tue Dec 27, 2011 7:57 pm (PST) Fellas -- I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... Take Care, --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out toRyan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "Dan Angland" duph182@yahoo.com duph182 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:06 pm (PST) Here's a short obit...only 31 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-distelrath&pid154460883&fhid3983 --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out toRyan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "ken pillion" kenpillion@windstream.net welfar03 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:23 pm (PST) I exchanged e-mails with Ryan a few months ago. Apparently he had been confined to a wheel chair for some time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Angland Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:06 PM To: mikesportsfan; Geordie Calvert Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's a short obit...only 31 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-diste &pid154460883&fhid3983 --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "Jimmy "Catfish" Parker" catfish.obc@gmail.com obc_catfish Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:24 pm (PST) I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation to the American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, but that's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss it is the loss of a friend. Rest in Peace Ryan, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: > From: Geordie Calvert > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > To: "mikesportsfan" > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM > Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? > Geordie > From: "mikesportsfan" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsignednote stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. > If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards > Ripped > In > Places > But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "Bob Reed" boreed@hotmail.com utterchaos99 Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:37 pm (PST) Yes, he was paralyzed in June of 2007. Here's a message I pulled of the ramblings server from 7/27/2007. "hello fellow collectors, if i owe anybody thanks i do apologize. ive been sitting in the hospital for over va month now. on june 25th i woke up and was paralyzed from the chest down. it seems that two lesions formed on my spine. the doctors seem to think that it is one of 3 things. either it is a disease called transverse mellitus, my immune system attacked my spine for some reason, or 2 strokes on my spinal column occured. hopefully it is one of the first two because ifits strokes there is no chance of recovery. i cann use most of the musclesin my arms but my fingers do not move. i have plastic things wrapped around my fingers so i can type. it is a strange sensation being paralyzed... i have nno feelings in my body whatsoever. they gave me a spinal tap as well as changed my catheter and i didnt feel it at all. last night my dad took me his laptop and a cingular broadband card so i am in business. i still want to collect cards but im going to need help in handling them and looking at them if i do not get better. please keep me in your prayers guys. take care -ryan distelrath" R.I.P Ryan. To: duph182@yahoo.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com; dodgergeo@comcast.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kenpillion@windstream.net Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:23:10 -0500 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I exchanged e-mails with Ryan a few months ago. Apparently he had been confined to a wheel chair for some time. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Dan Angland Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11:06 PM To: mikesportsfan; Geordie Calvert Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's a short obit...only 31 http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-distelrath&pid154460883&fhid3983 --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 10:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "richard dingman" brightair@msn.com richard_dingman Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:58 pm (PST) Here's his OBC bio: "I joined up with this amazing group in 1991 through Prodigy when I was just 11 years old and followed them to Compuserve for a little while after that. I got discouraged once my entire collection was stolen, so I dropped outof the scene for a few (many) years. I rekindled the never-dying old baseall card spirit after the purchase of a 1959 Hank Aaron all star card, and it's been all over with since. I refound this wonderful group simply by typing "Larry Tipton" into google. On 06/25/07 I woke up as a quadriplegic due to a stroke in the spine at the C6/C7 level. Just low enough of an injury to allow me to regain partial use of my left hand, so I can still collate cards!!! I have an associates degree in electrical engineering. I spent the first 12 years of my life in southern California (Go DODGERS!), then moved to where I currently reside in Clarksville, Tennessee." I just re-read it to refresh my memory of what I had read some time ago andforgotten. I had sent him a stack of cards 2 years ago but never received a reply. I can only imagine what life is like with only partial use of the left hand. If OBC decides to make some appropriate gesture, I would be in favor of it. Richard D CC: mikesportsfan@aol.com; dodgergeo@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com From: catfish.obc@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation to the American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, but that's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss it is the loss of a friend. Rest in Peace Ryan, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: Fellas -- I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... Take Care, --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) sad news Posted by: "Richard" rlabs1@elp.rr.com rlabs1 Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:13 pm (PST) I sent cards to Ryan once or twice and corresponded with him once or twice.He told me one time that he did have great difficulty typing It is sad when we do lose someone. Richard Labs Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "FIREMAN" DaPatriot1@aol.com dapatriot1 Tue Dec 27, 2011 9:52 pm (PST) Ryan was a good person, I spoke to him MANY times on AOL, and FACE book. I am terribly saddened by this, as he and I talked alot, and became close online friends. He shared very personal things about his condition with me. Ryan told me about the seizure/stroke he had in his spine which left him a quadriplegic. Ryan also told me that he had seizures on a daily basis. I think he lived his life to the fullest given his condition He would love to share pictures he took of him in his wheel chair having fun at parties and with friends, every picturei saw of him he had a HUGE SMILE. Once in a while he would seem depressed but god who wouldn't, but most of the time we would talk about good things...God I am so sad to hear of this news, I dont want to say i had a bad feeling something was wrong but I kind of knew as I had not seen him online in quite some time. I honestly dont even remember if he and I ever exchanged cards, but we exchanged something more precious then cards, we exchanged friendship, and i am very upset right now. Lets Keep him and his family in ourprayers thoughts or what ever you believe in. Here is to my friend RYAN REST IN PEACE my Good FRIEND Robert Gioia -----Original Message----- From: richard dingman To: obc-ramblings Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:58 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Here's his OBC bio: "I joined up with this amazing group in 1991 through Prodigy when I was just 11 years old and followed them to Compuserve for a little while after that. I got discouraged once my entire collection was stolen, so I dropped outof the scene for a few (many) years. I rekindled the never-dying old baseall card spirit after the purchase of a 1959 Hank Aaron all star card, and it's been all over with since. I refound this wonderful group simply by typing "Larry Tipton" into google. On 06/25/07 I woke up as a quadriplegic due to a stroke in the spine at the C6/C7 level. Just low enough of an injury to allow me to regain partial use of my left hand, so I can still collate cards!!! I have an associates degree in electrical engineering. I spent the first 12 years of my life in southern California (Go DODGERS!), then moved to where I currently reside in Clarksville, Tennessee." I just re-read it to refresh my memory of what I had read some time ago andforgotten. I had sent him a stack of cards 2 years ago but never received a reply. I can only imagine what life is like with only partial use of the left hand. If OBC decides to make some appropriate gesture, I would be in favor of it. Richard D CC: mikesportsfan@aol.com; dodgergeo@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com From: catfish.obc@gmail.com Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation to the American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, but that's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss it is the loss of a friend. Rest in Peace Ryan, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: Fellas -- I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... Take Care, --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. Back to top Reply to sender | Reply to group | Reply via web post Messages in this topic (11) Re: sad news Posted by: "Tom Housley" directorth@aol.com tomhousley_2000 Wed Dec 28, 2011 4:07 am (PST) Wow, this is truly a shock. I never met Ryan in person, but had several on-line conversations with him and considered him a friend. Despite what he'd been through, most of the time he had a very good outlook on life. I'll always remember how grateful he was for the projects we spearheaded to try to complete his '59 and '62 sets. Here's a link to his on-line obituary: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/theleafchronicle/obituary.aspx?nryan-distelrath&pid154460883&fhid3983 RIP Ryan; you will be missed by your OBC family. Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, FIREMAN wrote: > Ryan was a good person, > I spoke to him MANY times on AOL, and FACE book. I am terribly saddened by this, as he and I talked alot, and became close online friends. He sharedvery personal things about his condition with me. Ryan told me about the seizure/stroke he had in his spine which left him a quadriplegic. Ryan also told me that he had seizures on a daily basis. I think he lived his life tothe fullest given his condition He would love to share pictures he took ofhim in his wheel chair having fun at parties and with friends, every picture i saw of him he had a HUGE SMILE. Once in a while he would seem depressed but god who wouldn't, but most of the time we would talk about good things...God I am so sad to hear of this news, I dont want to say i had a bad feeling something was wrong but I kind of knew as I had not seen him online in quite some time. I honestly dont even remember if he and I ever exchangedcards, but we exchanged something more precious then cards, we exchanged friendship, and i am very upset right now. Lets Keep him and his family in our prayers thoughts or what ever you believe in. > Here is to my friend RYAN > REST IN PEACE my Good FRIEND > Robert Gioia > -----Original Message----- > From: richard dingman > To: obc-ramblings > Sent: Tue, Dec 27, 2011 6:58 pm > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > Here's his OBC bio: > "I joined up with this amazing group in 1991 through Prodigy when I was just 11 years old and followed them to Compuserve for a little while after that. I got discouraged once my entire collection was stolen, so I dropped out of the scene for a few (many) years. I rekindled the never-dying old baseall card spirit after the purchase of a 1959 Hank Aaron all star card, andit's been all over with since. I refound this wonderful group simply by typing "Larry Tipton" into google. On 06/25/07 I woke up as a quadriplegic due to a stroke in the spine at the C6/C7 level. Just low enough of an injuryto allow me to regain partial use of my left hand, so I can still collate cards!!! I have an associates degree in electrical engineering. I spent thefirst 12 years of my life in southern California (Go DODGERS!), then movedto where I currently reside in Clarksville, Tennessee." > I just re-read it to refresh my memory of what I had read some time ago and forgotten. I had sent him a stack of cards 2 years ago but never received a reply. I can only imagine what life is like with only partial use of the left hand. If OBC decides to make some appropriate gesture, I would be infavor of it. > Richard D > CC: mikesportsfan@...; dodgergeo@...; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > To: illini_grad_90@... > From: catfish.obc@... > Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2011 23:24:08 -0500 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > I feel like we should do something, even if it's just a group donation tothe American Diabetes Association in Ryan's honor. > Geno, you put it well. I never had any interactions with Ryan either, butthat's one of the special things about this group, when there is a loss itis the loss of a friend. > Rest in Peace Ryan, > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > On Dec 27, 2011, at 10:57 PM, Geno Wagner wrote: > Fellas -- > I must admit, I never had any interaction with Ryan. How old was he? Kids? Did anybody meet him? It seems strange to just lose a friend without knowing about it... > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Tue, 12/27/11, Geordie Calvert wrote: > From: Geordie Calvert > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > To: "mikesportsfan" > Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Tuesday, December 27, 2011, 9:52 PM > Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? > Geordie > From: "mikesportsfan" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news > Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsignednote stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. > If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards > Ripped > In > Places > But now Rest In Peace. 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ID required) Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Individual | Switch format toTraditional Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe ================= To: Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 21:33:17 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: kind of awkward question... This fall, one of you guys posted a message about losing your mom. I would guess it was sometime in October, maybe. If you could tell me who you are, that would be great. Thanks. ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 02:51:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "zackenback23" Subject: 2012 Collecting Goals Last year the group had a pretty lengthy conversation about everyone's collecting goals for 2011. I found my post and saw that I didn't even come close. My main goal was to finish ten sets - I made two. Well, it was a crazyyear, so this year I will try it again. 2012 Collecting Goals 1. Make sure to give timely thanks for anything that comes my way. 2. Find payback of some kind for those that I owe. 3. Try to hit the list of every OBC member at some point this year. 4. Knock 23 cards off the 1969 Topps set (currently at 43). 5. Knock 21 cards off the 1961 Topps set (currently at 61). 6. Kill the 1968 Topps Game set (currently at 2). 7. Kill the 1979 Topps Football set (currently at 25). 8. Pick up one of the two Bobby Orr hockey set killers I need (69-70 and 70-71). 9. Knock 10 cards off the 1968-69 Topps Hockey set (currently at 30). 10. Knock 65 cards off the remaining list I need to kill the Topps Hockey run (7% of 916). 11. Pick a new 50's or 60's baseball set to focus heavily on. I'd love to read others reviews of last year and goals for this year. I can say I'm already ahead of last year as I think I hit on #2 and #8. Mike Mroz ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:27:09 +0000 (UTC) To: Geordie Calvert From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news This is a very shocking and sad ramble. Traci and I extend out thoughts and prayers to Ryan's family. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geordie Calvert" To: "mikesportsfan" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 9:52:14 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Terrible news. AC, is there something we can do as a group to reach out to Ryan's family or anyone close to him? ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2011 6:51:47 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] sad news Earlier this month I sent an OBC package to Ryan Distelrath. In today's mail was my original envelope tucked into a larger envelope with an unsigned note stating that Ryan passed away on November 3. Whomever sent the note, indicated that Ryan really appreciated his friends in OBC keeping him in mind. If memory serves, Ryan did not mind cards But now Rest In Peace. ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 03:32:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: goals for 2012 1. find payback or a hit for some members those lists are almost impossiblefor me to hit 2. try to hit more lists this year 3. finish my 1958 set 4. finish my 1959 set 5. finish my 1964 set 6. finish my 1964 Topps Giants set 7. finish my 1971 set 8. finish my 1972 set 9. finish my 1969 set 10. continue to enjoy collecting Sounds like a lot of sets to complete but most are under 10 cards and a couple are only one. The above are card related - below is my goal foe me 1. Meet more OBC people at the Baltimore convention - I wish I had kept a list of all those I met in Chicago this past year. In addition to the Chicago group I have also had the pleasure of meeting Mark Talbot and Jim Wiehe in El Paso in the past. Please be careful so that we can all have a great new year. Richard Labs ================= Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2011 19:54:46 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, zackenback23 From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 Collecting Goals Quick note on some completed Vintage sets. My oldest set completed to date is now the 1943 M.P. & Co. set. A small 24 card set with some big names like DiMaggio, Dickey, Foxx, Feller, Hack, Hubbell, Mize, Ott, Reese, Williamsand Reiser (that one's in there for Betza) I also finished the 1975 Bob's Big Boy Famous Americans set, the 1954 World on Wheels (1-160), 1966 Bat Laffs, 1967 Pin-Ups and 1968 game second set. I completed 13 Vintage sets in 2011. To carry on the idea of seeing how my goals went for 2011... My 2011 Goals: 1) Finish 1943 M.P. & Co. (2 to go)...COMPLETED!2) Finish1968 Topps (54 to go)...Now 41 to go3) Finish 1971 Topps (4 to go)...COMPLETED4) Finish1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (2 to go)...COMPLETED5) Finish 1972 Kellogg's ATG (1 to go)...COMPLETED6) Finish 1973 Topps Team Ck List (2 to go)...COMPLETED7) Finish 1974 Kellogg's (4 to go)...COMPLETED8) Finish Any 2 Fleer sets 70-75...FINISHED 1 SET9) Trade more! Try to average 1-a-day...75%10) Have even more fun! (is that possible?)...COMPLETED Looks like 7 out of 10. Pretty good 2012 Goals to come this weekend John Stamperhttp://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ --- On Thu, 12/29/11, zackenback23 wrote: From: zackenback23 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 Collecting Goals To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 6:51 PM Last year the group had a pretty lengthy conversation about everyone's collecting goals for 2011. I found my post and saw that I didn't even come close. My main goal was to finish ten sets - I made two. Well, it was acrazy year, so this year I will try it again. 2012 Collecting Goals 1. Make sure to give timely thanks for anything that comes my way. 2. Find payback of some kind for those that I owe. 3. Try to hit the list of every OBC member at some point this year. 4. Knock 23 cards off the 1969 Topps set (currently at 43). 5. Knock 21 cards off the 1961 Topps set (currently at 61). 6. Kill the 1968 Topps Game set (currently at 2). 7. Kill the 1979 Topps Football set (currently at 25). 8. Pick up one of the two Bobby Orr hockey set killers I need (69-70 and 70-71). 9. Knock 10 cards off the 1968-69 Topps Hockey set (currently at 30). 10. Knock 65 cards off the remaining list I need to kill the Topps Hockey run (7% of 916). 11. Pick a new 50's or 60's baseball set to focus heavily on. I'd love to read others reviews of last year and goals for this year. I can say I'm already ahead of last year as I think I hit on #2 and #8. Mike Mroz ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 04:31:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Jeff Newman" Subject: My 2012 Card Collecting Goals Here are my collecting goals for 2012: 1- Stay up to date with my OBC thank-yous 2- Complete my 1967 Topps set (94% complete) 3- Complete my 1969 Topps Deckle Edges set (1 to go) 4- Complete my 1978 Topps set (90% complete) 5- Complete my 1964 Topps Giants set? (47 to go) 6- Upgrade all cards in need of one 7- Double my amount of 1956 Topps cards (42 -> 84) 8- Begin working on the 1970 Topps Supers set 9- Begin working on the 1967 Coke Caps All-Stars set 10- Add to my dupes box and hit as many OBC lists as I can Can't wait for the new year! Have a happy and healthy 2012! - Jeff Newman ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:45:42 -0500 To: John Stamper From: Edward Watts Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 Collecting Goals I loved this strand last year and love it now too. Last year my top goals were to complete my '56, '70, 71, 72, 73, and '77 Topps sets. 1956 was completed with a Bob Cerv this Christmas (aside from the checklists--which I count as optional), Yaz completed 1970 for me with a secret Santa gift (Rich Niessen and John Dahms both helped too), Joe Adriance killed the '71 set with a Vida Blue, 72 still sits there with 110 to go,I killed '73 with the Evans rookie, and an OBC assault killed '77 in January. So 5/6 goals met (with a huge help from you all). My 2012 goals: 1) Finish 1972 Topps (110 to go) 2) Knock at least 70 cards off of my 1969 Topps list 3) Get 1968 Topps list down to 50 4) Get 1965 Topps across the 50% line 5) Send more cards in the mail 6) Keep enjoying OBC Ed Watts Sent from my iPhone On Dec 29, 2011, at 10:54 PM, John Stamper wrote: > Quick note on some completed Vintage sets. My oldest set completed to date is now the 1943 M.P. & Co. set. A small 24 card set with some big names like DiMaggio, Dickey, Foxx, Feller, Hack, Hubbell, Mize, Ott, Reese, Williams and Reiser (that one's in there for Betza) I also finished the 1975 Bob's Big Boy Famous Americans set, the 1954 World on Wheels (1-160), 1966 Bat Laffs, 1967 Pin-Ups and 1968 game second set. I completed 13 Vintage sets in > To carry on the idea of seeing how my goals went for 2011... > My 2011 Goals: > 1) Finish 1943 M.P. & Co. (2 to go)...COMPLETED! > 2) Finish 1968 Topps (54 to go)...Now 41 to go > 3) Finish 1971 Topps (4 to go)...COMPLETED > 4) Finish 1971 Topps Scratch-Offs (2 to go)...COMPLETED > 5) Finish 1972 Kellogg's ATG (1 to go)...COMPLETED > 6) Finish 1973 Topps Team Ck List (2 to go)...COMPLETED > 7) Finish 1974 Kellogg's (4 to go)...COMPLETED > 8) Finish Any 2 Fleer sets 70-75...FINISHED 1 SET > 9) Trade more! Try to average 1-a-day...75% > 10) Have even more fun! (is that possible?)...COMPLETED > Looks like 7 out of 10. Pretty good > 2012 Goals to come this weekend > John Stamper > http://holidayandhobbies.yolasite.com/ > --- On Thu, 12/29/11, zackenback23 wrote: > From: zackenback23 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 Collecting Goals > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Date: Thursday, December 29, 2011, 6:51 PM > Last year the group had a pretty lengthy conversation about everyone's collecting goals for 2011. I found my post and saw that I didn't even come close. My main goal was to finish ten sets - I made two. Well, it was a crazyyear, so this year I will try it again. > 2012 Collecting Goals > 1. Make sure to give timely thanks for anything that comes my way. > 2. Find payback of some kind for those that I owe. > 3. Try to hit the list of every OBC member at some point this year. > 4. Knock 23 cards off the 1969 Topps set (currently at 43). > 5. Knock 21 cards off the 1961 Topps set (currently at 61). > 6. Kill the 1968 Topps Game set (currently at 2). > 7. Kill the 1979 Topps Football set (currently at 25). > 8. Pick up one of the two Bobby Orr hockey set killers I need (69-70 and 70-71). > 9. Knock 10 cards off the 1968-69 Topps Hockey set (currently at 30). > 10. Knock 65 cards off the remaining list I need to kill the Topps Hockeyrun (7% of 916). > 11. Pick a new 50's or 60's baseball set to focus heavily on. > I'd love to read others reviews of last year and goals for this year. I can say I'm already ahead of last year as I think I hit on #2 and #8. > Mike Mroz ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 09:12:53 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller I realize some of you are subscribers and have seen this already, apologies. But for those that are not, these are a couple of interesting articles. I thought so at least. Seamheads.com: =E2=9CWho Were the Most Productive Offensive Players in 2011?=E2=9D plus 1 more Who Were the Most Productive Offensive Players in 2011? Posted: 29 Dec 2011 11:37 AM PST Numerous methods have been devised to measure offensive performance. The most common are batting average, on-base percentage and slugging average. Since none of these averages provides a complete picture by itself, a more comprehensive measure of offensive performance is useful. Such a measure would include the following elements: 1. The ability to get on base. 2. The ability to hit with power. 3. The ability to add value through base running. The first two elements are measured by on-base percentage and slugging average. A measure of offensive performance, which encompasses both as well as baserunning achievements, is Bases per Plate Appearance (BPA). This measure accounts for the net bases accumulated by a player per plate appearance. It is calculated as follows: BPA (TB + BB + HB + SB =E2=93 CS =E2=93 GIDP) / (AB + BB + HB + SF) * Where: BPA Bases per Plate Appearance * TB Total Bases * BB Bases on Balls * HB Hit by Pitc * SB Stolen Base * CS Caught Stealing * GIDP Grounded into Double Plays * AB At Bats * SF Sacrifice Flies The numerator accounts for all of the bases accumulated by a player, reduced by the number of times he is caught stealing or erases another runner by grounding into a double play. The denominator accounts for the plate appearances when the player is trying to generate bases for himself. Sacrifice hits are not included as plate appearances, since they represent the successful execution of the batter=E2=99s attempts to advanceanother Major league BPA for the past fifteen years are shown below along with the number of players with BPA over .550 and .600: Year 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 BPA .463 .463 .479 .481 .468 .457 .461 .468 .456 .470 .463 .458 .461 .446 .442 .550 34 41 50 50 46 39 42 33 34 46 34 41 42 19 25 .600 15 22 29 30 26 17 15 18 13 14 15 11 16 7 7 Offensive production peaked in 2000 before declining in the early years of this century. BPA in 2011 was down slightly from 2010, an 8.1% reduction from the peak in 2000. In the 1990s, there were 14 individual .700 BPA seasons. In the eightyear period from 2000 to 2007, there were 18. The highest BPA in the1990s was recorded by Mark McGwire in 1998 (.799). Barry Bonds shattered that with .907 in 2001, the highest figure ever recorded, topping Babe Ruth=E2=99s best two years (1920 and 1921). Bonds followed that with .869 in 2002, .818 in 2003 and .882 in 2004. There have not been any hitters with a BPA of .700 since 2007. The last player to make it was Alex Rodriguez (.702) in 2007. Surprisingly, Albert Pujols has not had a .700 BPA in his eleven seasons. The .700 BPA seasons in 2000-2011 are listed below: Player Team Year BPA Barry Bonds San Francisco 2001 .907 Barry Bonds San Francisco 2004 .882 Barry Bonds San Francisco 2002 .869 Barry Bonds San Francisco 2003 .818 Sammy Sosa ChicagoCubs 2001 .758 Barry Bonds San Francisco 2000 .745 Jim Thome Cleveland 2002 .728 Manny Ramirez Cleveland 2000 .726 Todd Helton Colorado 2000 .720 Luis Gonzalez Arizona 2001 .713 Todd Helton Colorado 2001 .709 Carlos Delgado Toronto 2000 .709 Larry Walker Colorado 2001 .707 Jason Giambi Oakland 2000 .706 Travis Hafner Cleveland 2006 .703 Alex Rodriguez NY Yankees 2007 .702 Jason Giambi Oakland 2001 .700 Ryan Howard Philadelphia 2006 .700 The yearly leaders since 1992 are as follows: 1992 Bonds .734 1993 Bonds .740 1994 Bagwell .768 1995 Belle .692 1996 McGwire .765 1997 Walker .770 1998 McGwire .799 1999 McGwire .735 2000 Bonds .745 2001 Bonds .745 2002 Bonds .907 2003 Bonds .869 2004 Bonds ,882 2005 Derek Lee .699 2006 Hafner .703 2007 A. Rodriguez .702 2008 Pujols .685 2009 Pujols .696 2010 Bautista .671 2011 Bautista .681 The benchmark for an outstanding individual season is .600. Followingis a list of 7 players with enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title and with a BPA of .600 in 2011. Player 2011 BPA 2010 BPA League Seasons Comments Bautista, J. .681 .671 AL 2 Second straight year at top Braun, R. .663 .535 NL 3 Filled the stat sheet Kemp, M. .647 .476 NL 1 Big-time breakout season Cabrera, Mi. .615 .642 AL 3 Consistently near the top Granderson, C. .614 .534 AL 2 Found power against lefties Fielder, P. .610 .555 NL 3 Had better year than Pujols Ellsbury, J .607 .361 AL 1 Found a power stroke The only repeaters from last year=E2=99s list are Bautista and Cabrera. Bautista topped the list in both years. Pujols had a BPA of .548, by far the lowest of his career, ranking 27tth among qualifiers. Five other players had a BPA over .600 in 2010 but fell short in 2011. Player 2010 BPA 2011 BPA League +.600 Seasons Comments Votto, J. .657 .576 NL 2 Not quite up to 2010 MVP season Hamilton, J. .653 .559 AL 1 Held back by injuries again Pujols. A. .634 .548 NL 8 Down year would be career for most. Gonzalez, C. .632 .576 NL 1 Not quite up to 2010 season Konerko, P. .613 .551 AL 1 Another strong late-career season Six players have a BPA over .600 for their careers: Player Age 2011 BPA Career BPA Comments Albert Pujols 31 .548 .641 Easily the best in 2000-2009 decade Alex Rodriguez 35 .500 .617 Signs of a decline Manny Ramirez 39 .059 .617 Great career down in flames Jim Thome 40 .531 .615 600 HR cinchesHOFspot Lance Berkman 35 .598 .602 Still a tough out Ryan Braun 27 .663 .602 2012 season in question Another list of interest is of players with a BPA of over .600 in 2011 who did not have enough plate appearances (PA) to qualify for the batting title. Player Age BPA PA Comments Brett Lawrie 21 .663 171 Looks like an impact player Mike Napoli 29 .662 432 Can he do it again Jason Giambi 40 .645 152 Still hits with power Alejandro De Aza 27 .600 171 Pleasant surprise for the White Sox Looking at the other end of the spectrum, sixteen players who earned enoughplaying time to qualify for the batting title had a BPA less than .400 in 2011. Ichiro Suzuki narrowly missed this list with a BPA of .400. Adam Dunn, with a BPA of .369 in 2011 and a career BPA of .580 would be on this list if he had enough plate appearances to qualify. Player BPA Comments Vladimir Guerrero .398 Had 7 seasons with BPA over .600. Omar Infante .396 Third straight year of decline. Miguel Olivo .395 Only catcher on the list. Robert Andino .392 First year as a regular. Danny Valencia .390 Failed to repeat promising 2010 season. Alcides Escobar .386 A repeater on this list. Gordan Beckham .385 A major disappointment. Marin Prado .385 Down from .474 in 2010. Mark Ellis .382 First time below .400. Juan Pierre .379 Career BPA of .445. DarwinBarney .373 Tailed off in second half. Placido Polanco .368 Career BPA of .425. Alex Gonzalez .367 A candidate for this list every year. Yuniesky Betancourt .366 Career BPA of .384 Jason Bartlett .364 Had .572 BPA in 2009. Casey McGehee .355 Season long slump from .473 in 2010. Alex Rios .353 Even worse than Adam Dunn. Two players compiled a batting average over .300, an on-base average over .400, a slugging percentage over .500 and bases per plate appearance over .600 in 2011: Player (2010) BAVG OBA SLG BPA OPS Jose Bautista .302 .447 .608 .681 1.055 Miguel Cabrera .344 .448 .556 .615 1.033 Two active players have these numbers for their careers, although Manny Ramirez was active for only 17 plate appearances in 2011. Player (Career) BAVG OBA SLG BPA OPS Albert Pujols .328 .420 .617 .641 1.037 Manny Ramirez .312 .411 .585 .617 .996 Spoiled Fish Jeopardized Ty Cobb=E2=99s Career Posted: 29 Dec 2011 07:20 AM PST Ty Cobb is nearly as well known for his fits of temper and violence as he is for his 4,189 base hits and .367 career batting average. His aggressive play on the baseball diamond carried over to his willingness to fight anyoneat any time. During his life he was involved in several widely publicized altercations, but one that has largely slipped into the historical abyss nearly ended his major league career; and it was a dispute over 20 cents worth off fish. The Detroit Tigers started 1914 in fine form, with a 36-24 record by June 20th, good for second place, and just .12 percentage points behind the firstplace Philadelphia Athletics. However, on the evening of Saturday the 20th, that all changed. After playing a game at Navin Field against the Washington Senators, Cobb went home with Senators=E2=99 manager Clark Griffith to have dinner with Cobb=E2=99s wife, Charlie. Upon reaching Cobb=E2=99s home, his upset wife described to them an argument she had earlier in the day with local butcher W.L. Carpenter, who had delivered fish for that night=E2=99sdinner. Upon preparing the fish, Mrs. Cobb discovered it appeared spoiled.She tried to return the 20 cents worth of fish, but Carpenter insisted it was fresh and refused to issue a refund. Carpenter=E2=99s refusal to acquiesce was seen by Mrs. Cobb as being called a liar, and it drove her to near Cobb phoned the butcher and accused him of upsetting his wife and calling her a liar. After a brief, heated conversation in front of his shocked wife and Griffith, he grabbed his gun and ran out of the house, later telling police he took his automatic revolver and four cartridges with him in case heneeded When Cobb reached the butcher=E2=99s shop, he drew his gun on Carpenter,and demanded he call Mrs. Cobb to apologize. The terrified man did as he was asked, and afterwards, Cobb thanked him and asked what was owed for the fish. This was when the real trouble started. Carpenter=E2=99s 20 year old brother-in-law, Harold Harding, an African American, had heard the commotion, from the back of the shop, and emerged wielding a meat cleaver and demanding Cobb leave (Given Cobb=E2=99s connection with racism, it is interesting to note the added detail of Harding=E2=99s race in this story). Cobb later told police, =E2=9COur little affair was practically over when Harding butted in. He seemed to want troubleand I was so angry I gave him what he was looking for.=E2=9D The two men scuffled, and Cobb pulled his gun once again, hitting Harding over the head several times. During the fight, a glass case and some other furniture in the shop were smashed, and Harding began bleeding from his head. Cobb suggested they go outside and finish their fight, and Harding agreed. While Cobb continued to beat the younger man outside, Carpenter called the When the police arrived, it was clear that Cobb had been the aggressor, buthe had also injured his hand. He was taken to the hospital, where he was treated for a broken thumb, and then was taken into custody and held in jailover night. He was released the next day after Harding declined to press charges, but was re-arrested for disturbing the peace the following week after Carpenter decided that Cobb was going to pay for the damage and humiliation he had caused. Carpenter explained to reporters why he decided to take a stand. =E2=9CThe easy thing would be to drop the whole matter, but I feel it my duty to the public to see that this wild man is halted in his mad career. If he is allowed to go into a man=E2=99s place of business and threaten him with arevolver, and not suffer for it, there is no telling what he will do next.If I could have gotten the revolver away from him, Cobb would have had to settle with me on the spot. I am sorry my young brother-in-law interfered, for it was a case for the police to handle, but the kid would have licked that big ball player if the fight had been allowed to go on. Most professional ball players are gentlemen.=E2=9D To avoid a trial that could have sent him to jail for up to six months if convicted, Cobb decided to please guilty and was assessed a $50 fine. This slap on the wrist was the least of his worries, as his mortified wife took their children and relocated to Augusta, Georgia for the remainder of the summer. Cobb himself was also said to be extremely embarrassed over the incident. Cobb had been dissatisfied with baseball salary since 1913 and had considered jumping to the rogue Federal League. Before his plea agreement, several of his friends indicated that Cobb talked about leaving Detroit for good toavoid an embarrassing trial, and start his career anew with a Federal League team. It is more likely that he used this incident as leverage with the Tigers, instead of actually considering skipping out on his arrest. A newspaper article that appeared in November, 1914 contradicted Cobb=E2=99s supposed embarrassment. Cobb stated, =E2=9CIn Detroit one afternoon, a butcher called Mrs. Cobb a liar. What would you do? Somebody had to apologize, and when I forced the apology, a personal affair with me, I again broke into the papers as a rowdy. There have been other incidents, but not one in which the most minute details have not been spread wide and far.=E2=9D The Tigers struggled mightily in the 22 games Cobb missed because of his broken thumb. They went 8-13-1 and rapidly fell out of contention. They finished the season at 80-73, in fourth place and 19.5 games behind the first place While this fight has gotten somewhat lost over time, it is a fascinating episode in his lengthy and complicated career. It put his infamous temper on full display and came close to impacting his major league career. Like manyother troubles in his life, Cobb escaped from this incident relatively unscathed. He played another 14 seasons in professional baseball, but they came close to not happening, all because of a piece of spoiled fish. Andrew Martin is the founder of =E2=9CThe Baseball Historian=E2=9D blog where he posts his thoughts about baseball on a regular basis. He can bereached at historianandrew@gmail.com. You can also reach him on Twitter at@historianandrew. You are subscribed to email updates from Seamheads.com To stop receiving these emails, you may unsubscribe now. Email delivery powered by Google Google Inc., 20 West Kinzie, Chicago IL USA 60610 ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 14:22:25 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 2012 collecting goals i think this is my first shot at this, so here it goes. in no particular order finish my 1951 topps red back set finish my 1953 topps back variations post my variation wantlists (probably 50 cards) and get at least 5 hits get 7 hits to my 1949 bowman set get 4 hits to my 1950-54 bowman sets get 12 hits to my 33 and 34 goudey sets pick up at least 75% of all baseball and football UV wants i currently get 20 hits to my football coke cap lists (this could be the toughest one) get 10 hits to my 1965 topps football second set pick up one contest card from the 1956 topps football set meet at least three obc'ers i havent met yet, which could be tough as a trip to national looks doubtful this year. hopefully, some of your travels will take you to chicago. try to be a better person wishing all my obc friends a happy, healthy and prosperous 2012 Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:08:23 -0500 (EST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 collecting goals Content-Language: en Being 33 cards plus the Mantle short of completing the 1952 Topps set (thus completing my 1951 through present run) I hope to get 3 52 High numbers. Complete 1952 Redman with tabs (3 short) Complete 1962 Post football set (3 short) those were on the 2011 collecting goals list also Find a truly updated Bert Blyleven wantlist without having ebay put something on that isnt listed Find my Blyleven Deckle card that I paid 50 dolloars for and then put it in a box I can't find (i Hope I put it in a box and didn't shio to a guy I met in Cooperstown that was starting a collection of Blyleven cards.) Hopefully understand the difference between all the new UV cards so I can get one of each of Bert Blyleven. Knock off a couple of the Twins set list (Actually just completed this as i needed one and two cards for the 1981 and 83 sets that i just Knock off a couple of the early 80 traded sets to get those going again. I want to buy these in complete sets and not one at a time.. Knock off one set which I will do when the 2012 set comes out. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:18:21 -0500 (EST) From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: two questions First, anyone got a suggestion for an assortment of odd sized pages - 1, 2,3,4,8,16 pocket pages? secondly, I am thinking about getting a digital recorder for the TV for ocassional use as my VCR tapes seem to be headed the way of 8 track tapes. any suggestions? looking to avoid without subscription fees and a basic setup would be fine, appreciate any advise Ed Pike ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 19:42:42 -0500 (EST) To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 collecting goals Content-Language: en that should read 1953 redman In a message dated 12/30/2011 6:08:39 P.M. Central Standard Time, LUURSCJG@aol.com writes: Being 33 cards plus the Mantle short of completing the 1952 Topps set (thus completing my 1951 through present run) I hope to get 3 52 High numbers. Complete 1952 Redman with tabs (3 short) Complete 1962 Post football set (3 short) those were on the 2011 collecting goals list also Find a truly updated Bert Blyleven wantlist without having ebay put something on that isnt listed Find my Blyleven Deckle card that I paid 50 dolloars for and then put it in a box I can't find (i Hope I put it in a box and didn't shio to a guy I met in Cooperstown that was starting a collection of Blyleven cards.) Hopefully understand the difference between all the new UV cards so I can get one of each of Bert Blyleven. Knock off a couple of the Twins set list (Actually just completed this as i needed one and two cards for the 1981 and 83 sets that i just Knock off a couple of the early 80 traded sets to get those going again. I want to buy these in complete sets and not one at a time.. Knock off one set which I will do when the 2012 set comes out. ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 16:58:35 -0800 (PST) To: OBC ramblings , From: John Dahms Subject: I need to send an apology to the group earlier I sent out a thanks on our thanks page to a non group member....thetrader was from another group i belong too, i apologize to anyone that this might have upset.....I was just so dog gone excited that I found the envelopes. be well and again I apologize for any inconceinces this has caused. happy new year John Dahms 3260 Kingsbrook Dr. #601 Jackson, MI ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 17:53:35 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: OBC Bowl Game Pool Fellas -- OK, I wasn't going to do this pool this year, as we are just finishing up the NFL one. A couple people asked me, and I said I'd defer, but my wife is out with the girls tonight and the kids got new XBox games...so that leaves me with my home brewed beer and my cards! So here's the deal: Pick the straight-up winner (no spreads) of the following games, one each day: Jan 2: Wisconsin vs Oregon 3: Michigan vs Virginia Tech 4: West Virginia vs Clemson 6: Kansas State vs Arkansas 7: SMU vs Pittsburgh 8: Arkansas St vs Northern Illinois 9: Alabama vs LSU You get one freebie, but two losses and you're out (Survivor style). If we make it to the end, the tie-breaker will be total points in the Championship Game (regardless of when the tie-break occurs). So send me your picks, and the point total for the Championship Game. In the past, I've always had everyone send me cards for the entry fee, andthen I send them out in a big bunch - it's cooler to get a huge package of cards, and second place gets the card the winner submitted. However due to the shorter timeline, this time we'll just send our card straight to the winner, and the winner can send a card to the 2nd place guy. The entry fee is a single card that retails for about $10-15. That is a condition-adjusted price, so a Vg card that "books" in NrMt for $15 is not an entry fee, however a Vg card that "books" for $$40-50 in NrMt is perfect. The Rose Bowl kickoff is 5:00 PM EST on the 2nd, so I need your picks by then to get you in! Take Care, ================= Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 18:25:44 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: OBC Bowl Game Pool Actually, let's add one more game on the 2nd, otherwise we may have too many folks tied at the end. So pick the Outback Bowl as well - Michigan State vs Georgia. And I'll need your picks by 1:00 PM EST on the 2nd now... Take Care, --- On Fri, 12/30/11, Geno Wagner wrote: From: Geno Wagner Subject: OBC Bowl Game Pool To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Friday, December 30, 2011, 7:53 PM Fellas -- OK, I wasn't going to do this pool this year, as we are just finishing up the NFL one. A couple people asked me, and I said I'd defer, but my wife is out with the girls tonight and the kids got new XBox games...so that leaves me with my home brewed beer and my cards! So here's the deal: Pick the straight-up winner (no spreads) of the following games, one each day: Jan 2: Wisconsin vs Oregon 3: Michigan vs Virginia Tech 4: West Virginia vs Clemson 6: Kansas State vs Arkansas 7: SMU vs Pittsburgh 8: Arkansas St vs Northern Illinois 9: Alabama vs LSU You get one freebie, but two losses and you're out (Survivor style). If we make it to the end, the tie-breaker will be total points in the Championship Game (regardless of when the tie-break occurs). So send me your picks, and the point total for the Championship Game. In the past, I've always had everyone send me cards for the entry fee, andthen I send them out in a big bunch - it's cooler to get a huge package of cards, and second place gets the card the winner submitted. However due to the shorter timeline, this time we'll just send our card straight to the winner, and the winner can send a card to the 2nd place guy. The entry fee is a single card that retails for about $10-15. That is a condition-adjusted price, so a Vg card that "books" in NrMt for $15 is not an entry fee, however a Vg card that "books" for $$40-50 in NrMt is perfect. The Rose Bowl kickoff is 5:00 PM EST on the 2nd, so I need your picks by then to get you in! Take Care, ================= To: , Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 22:57:59 -0500 From: "ken pillion" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 collecting goals Hey is there any way to save all of the 2012 goals some where like the OBC Year Project? From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LUURSCJG@aol.com Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 7:08 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 collecting goals Being 33 cards plus the Mantle short of completing the 1952 Topps set (thus completing my 1951 through present run) I hope to get 3 52 High Complete 1952 Redman with tabs (3 short) Complete 1962 Post football set (3 short) those were on the 2011 collecting goals list also Find a truly updated Bert Blyleven wantlist without having ebay put something on that isnt listed Find my Blyleven Deckle card that I paid 50 dolloars for and then put it in a box I can't find (i Hope I put it in a box and didn't shio to a guy I met in Cooperstown that was starting a collection of Blyleven cards.) Hopefully understand the difference between all the new UV cards so I can get one of each of Bert Blyleven. Knock off a couple of the Twins set list (Actually just completed this as i needed one and two cards for the 1981 and 83 sets that i just bought.) Knock off a couple of the early 80 traded sets to get those going again. I want to buy these in complete sets and not one at a time.. Knock off one set which I will do when the 2012 set comes out. ================= To: Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 23:27:00 -0500 From: "ken pillion" Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 collecting goals My collecting goals for 2012 are: Posting 'Thanks' much faster. Hitting more lists. Finishing my 55 Topps set. Only need 9 (anyone have an extra Clement Rk). Complete my 65 Topps Embossed set. Need 15. Complete my 67 Topps Pin Up set, need 14 Complete my 68 Topps set, need 10. Complete the 74 Topps Washington variations, need 5. Knocking off 2 Kellogg's sets. 73 missing 2. and 80 missing 9 Starting a 60s non sports set. Finally, meeting more OBC'ers at the National. Lord willing I will be retiring July 31st so I may be able to make it to Baltimore. ================= To: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 08:06:22 -0600 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Instant Classics With the bowl season in swing I'm venturing off the cardboard path for a moment. The 12/29 Baylor/Washington game has to be an instant classic. For those who didn't stay up for the near midnight conclusion - the final was Baylor 67 Washington 56. There were actually 4 punts in the game but I must have missed them. Baylor lines up and gets plays off faster than Oregon, sort of like Paul Westhead's run and gun basketball scheme. Baylor's Robert Griffin III was certainly exciting. Now back to the cardboard. I'm off to an old-fashion show today in Orland Park, Illinois. $1 to get in. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 07:36:18 -0800 (PST) To: George and Susan Vrechek , From: Rick Lyons Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Instant Classics My Huskies Haven't played defense all year long but was hoping they would step up for this one. I thought they had a real chance of winning that game until the last couple minutes From: George and Susan Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 31, 2011 7:06 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Instant Classics With the bowl season in swing I=E2=99m venturing off the cardboard path for a moment. The 12/29 Baylor/Washington game has to be an instant classic. For those who didn=E2=99t stay up for the near midnight conclusion =E2=93 the final was Baylor 67 Washington 56. There were actually 4 punts in the game but I must have missed them. Baylor lines up and gets plays off faster than Oregon, sort of like Paul Westhead=E2=99s run and gun basketball scheme. Baylor=E2=99s Robert Griffin III was certainly exciting. Now back to the cardboard. I=E2=99m off to an old-fashion show today in Orland Park, Illinois. $1 to get in. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 21:58:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Re: 2012 collecting goals If anyone wants to "archive" their 2012 collecting goals - to make them easier to find this time next year - I created a folder called "2012 Collecting Goals" (I know, imaginative, right?) on the Yahoo Ramblings page. To get to it, go to the left side of the page, & Files is right under "attachments". It's set up to accept text files, and I think anyone can upload to it (Ihope.) Post away! Tom Housley --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "ken pillion" wrote: > Hey is there any way to save all of the 2012 goals some where like the OBC > Year Project? > _____ > From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] > On Behalf Of LUURSCJG@... > Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 7:08 PM > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2012 collecting goals > Being 33 cards plus the Mantle short of completing the 1952 Topps set > (thus completing my 1951 through present run) I hope to get 3 52 High > numbers. > Complete 1952 Redman with tabs (3 short) > Complete 1962 Post football set (3 short) those were on the 2011 > collecting goals list also > Find a truly updated Bert Blyleven wantlist without having ebay put > something on that isnt listed > Find my Blyleven Deckle card that I paid 50 dolloars for and then put > it in a box I can't find (i Hope I put it in a box and didn't shio to a guy > I met in Cooperstown that was starting a collection of Blyleven cards.) > Hopefully understand the difference between all the new UV cards so I > can get one of each of Bert Blyleven. > Knock off a couple of the Twins set list (Actually just completed this > as i needed one and two cards for the 1981 and 83 sets that i just bought.) > Knock off a couple of the early 80 traded sets to get those going > again. I want to buy these in complete sets and not one at a time.. > Knock off one set which I will do when the 2012 set comes out. ================= Date: 31 Dec 2011 22:38:47 -0000 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: New file uploaded to OBC-Ramblings This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the OBC-Ramblings File : /2012 collecting goals/2012 collecting goals.doc Uploaded by : tomhousley_2000 Description : Tom Housley's 2012 goals You can access this file at the URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/files/2012%20collecting%20goals/2012%20collecting%20goals.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit: http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/groups/original/members/web/index.html tomhousley_2000 ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:51:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: My 2012 collecting goals OK gang, time to start of 2012 6 hours early - I'm posting my 2012 collecting goals here. I've also uploaded text file nto the folder on the Ramblingssite - hope the rest of you do too. Before I start off, one of my 2011 goals that wasn't yet achieved can now be marked ACHIEVED - my 1960 Topps set is finished, thanks to my wife surprising me with the Mantle (woo hoo!). All in all I killed these sets in 2011:'55 Bowman, '60 Topps, '75 Topps set #2, '75 Topps mini, '75 Fleer Pioneers of Baseball, 73/74 Topps basketball, plus the 70/71 Topps hockey bookletsinserts OK, here are my 2012 goals. The sets are getting harder (and more expensive) to hit. But I can dream, right? 1) Send out more RAOK to all of my OBC friends. 2) Make it Baltimore for the National, where I can hang with OBC friends new & old. 3) Complete at least 2 of the following sets: 1954 Bowman (need 4, plus 5 variations but I'll settle for the 4 for the base set for now); 1958 Topps (need 14); 1959 Topps (need 14); 1964 Topps (need 20); 1965 Topps (need 10);1971/72 Topps Hockey (need 7) 4) Complete the 1959 Topps gray back variations I need (need 10) and the 1960 Topps gray back variations (need 1) 5) Between the '67, '66, & '63 Topps sets, pick up at least 10 from each set (currently need 42, 54, & 75, respectively.) This is going to be a tough one. Those high numbers are a pain. 6) Pick up at least 2 more of the very tough remaining cards I need for the'57 Topps set; I need 6 players, 2 checklists, & 3 variations. This is going to be another really hard one to accomplish. 7) Get my '60 Fleer set (11 left), my '63 Fleer set (16 left) & my 72/73 Topps hockey set (14 left) to under 10 to go each. 8) Try to get the '54 & '55 Topps sets down to a maximum of 20 needed for each set. Right now I'm at 30 (for the `54 set) and 26 (for the `55's). Happy New Year, OBC! Tom Housley ================= To: Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:04:38 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: 2012 collecting goals I haven't been particularly active the last few years. My goals are as 1. Finish 1965 Topps (4 to go) 2. Knock off two 1957 Topps (15 to go) 3. Knock off five (5) 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 (23 to go) 4. Knock off two (2) from my Hof'er collection (23 to go) 5. Get some packages out this year 6. Hit my pre-1990 type collection about 100 times (I am attempting to get 2,000 different, I am presently at 1,281) 7. Finish off my "Greenwood" collection (1987 Pocatello Giants "The Bon" Mike Greenwood - very difficult - also a Matt Williams minor league 8. Knock off five (5) from my Bowman History of Man (aka Wild Man) (30 to go) 9. Knock off two (2) from my Allen & Ginter - N3 - Arms of all Nations (17 to go) 10. Knock off two (2) from my Allen & Ginter - N31 - Dudes (42 to go) 11. Knock off two (2) from my T70 Historic Events (8 to go) 12. Finish off my Don "Caveman" Robinson collection (1985 Pirates Team Issue and 1990 Giants "Smokey the Bear" anyone?) 13. Finish off my Luis Salazar collection (1989 Padres Coke anyone?) 14. Finish off my Dane Iorg collection (1984 Royals Postcards and 1985 Royals Team Issue anyone?) 15. Finish off my Garth Iorg collection (1979 Syracuse Team Issue and 1980 Syracuse Team Issue anyone?) Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 16:24:12 -0800 (PST) To: Carol Codere , From: Glenn Codere Subject: HAPPY NEW YEAR!!!!! To all our friends around the world, Happy New Year from Scotland. Our best wishes for a happy and prosperous 2012. Glenn & Maureen Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection WantList ================= Date: Sun, 01 Jan 2012 03:11:53 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Rick" Subject: 2012 collecting goals My collecting goals for 2011 were: #1 Knock off half of the 1971 OPC High numbers I need (11)--Completed 2 left #2 Knock off half of the 67/68 OPC posters I need (6)--completed 3 left #3 Get as close as I can to finishing my birth year set to 1990 run with needing 29 for the 1963 set and 32 for the 1966 set.--completed 0 left #4 Knock the 51 topps-1990 run down to 500 from 755--completed 420 left #5 get as many items from the topps inserts or oddball sets completed 2012 goals #1 finish the 1971 OPC set which will finish the 65-80 OPC run #2 knock off one of the three 67/68 posters #3 finish the 61 topps set to finish all the 60's (35 left) #4 Knock the 51 topps-1990 run down to 300 #5 get as many items from the topps inserts or oddball sets Rick Lyons ================= Date: Sat, 31 Dec 2011 19:16:44 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: NCAA Pool - final reminder Fellas -- Lastreminder to get into the NCAA Pool! Just pick the winners of the games below, plus a point total for the Bama/LSU game. It's not tough - just an excuse to get some cardboard moving around OBC-Land! All it willcost you is a $10-$15 card...unless you win, of course! I need your picks before kickoff of the Michigan St/Georgia game at 1:00 EST. Take Care, Jan 2: Wisconsin vs Oregon 2: Michigan State vs Georgia 3: Michigan vs Virginia Tech 4: West Virginia vs Clemson 6: Kansas State vs Arkansas 7: SMU vs Pittsburgh 8: Arkansas St vs Northern Illinois 9: Alabama vs LSU