================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 19:56:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Steve Rittenberg I would like to contact Steve, but the email address in the directory didn't work. Does he have an address other than Earthlink? ================= Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 21:31:47 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Two OBC Goudey pre-war lots on eBay Saw these tonight--look like great OBC starters! 1933 Goudey lot of 43: http://cgi.ebay.com/1933-Goudey-Lot-43-Cards-40-Different-Low-Grade-/140413096759?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Baseball&hash=item20b145d337#ht_1463wt_1139 1934 Goudey lot of 31: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140413098101&fromMakeTrack=true&ssPageName=VIP:watchlink:top:en#ht_1162wt_1139 ================= To: , Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:45:34 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Steve Rittenberg Hi Brock, Try ol'Steverino at the address above! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Steve Rittenberg I would like to contact Steve, but the email address in the directory didn't work. Does he have an address other than Earthlink? ================= To: Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 09:06:20 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Steve Rittenberg I know from personal experience that Steve much prefers the moniker Stevenator. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; brockhattox@cs.com From: familytoad@comcast.net Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:45:34 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Steve Rittenberg Hi Brock, Try ol'Steverino at the address above! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 4:56 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Steve Rittenberg I would like to contact Steve, but the email address in the directory didn't work. Does he have an address other than Earthlink? Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ================= Date: Wed, 02 Jun 2010 20:00:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Grandson of HOM'er playing in the minors Interesting article in the local newspaper today - even if the reporter couldn't be bothered to actually get the facts right about what team won the 1950 http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/dayton-dragons/konstanty-continues-rise-as-dragons-pitcher-740710.html Former Fightin' Phillie (and OBC HOM'er) Jim Konstanty has a grandson pitching for the Dayton Dragons (Reds Low-A affiliate). I thought the group, andin particular Mr. Mead, might like the information. ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:01:08 -0400 To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" From: Subject: To all my FOOT friends...... I cannot believe that happened....absolutely brutally bad call. Bill Malson ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:07:01 -0700 (PDT) To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" , From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... 28 outs and an error on the ump. Here's the time to use an * * Perfect game blown by ump on last out! So disappointing. John Stamper --- On Wed, 6/2/10, malsman250@neo.rr.com wrote: From: malsman250@neo.rr.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 6:01 PM I cannot believe that happened....absolutely brutally bad call. Bill Malson ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 21:19:42 EDT To: john@holidayandhobbies.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: JEdward@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... Content-Language: en Absolutely the worst call I've ever seen in my life! In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:07:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john@holidayandhobbies.com writes: 28 outs and an error on the ump. Here's the time to use an * * Perfect game blown by ump on last out! So disappointing. John Stamper --- On Wed, 6/2/10, malsman250@neo.Wed, 6/ wrote: From: malsman250@neo.From: m Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends.....S To: "obc-ramblings@To: To: " Date: Wednesday, June 2, 2010, 6:01 PM I cannot believe that happened....I cannot believe that happened....ab Bill Malson ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:39:39 -0700 (PDT) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... That should have been the first perfect game ever by a Tiger pitcher. Galarraga, Leland and Jackson demonstrated a lot of class in their post game interviews, all chalked it up to human error. Speaking of Jackson how about that catch, shades of the say-hey kid! "we keep what we give away!" From: "JEdward@aol.com" To: john@holidayandhobbies.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; malsman250@neo.rr.com Sent: Wed, June 2, 2010 9:19:42 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... Absolutely the worst call I've ever seen in my In a message dated 6/2/2010 9:07:44 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, john@holidayandhobb ies.com writes: >28 outs and an error on the ump. Here's the time to use an * >* Perfect game blown by ump on last out! >So disappointing. >John Stamper >--- On Wed, 6/2/10, > malsman250@neo. rr.com > wrote: >> malsman250@neo. rr.com >> >>Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] To all >> my FOOT friends..... . >> "obc-ramblings@ yahoogroups. com" >> >>Date: Wednesday, >> June 2, 2010, 6:01 PM >>I cannot believe that happened.... absolutely brutally bad >> call. >> Malson ================= Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 18:48:22 -0700 (PDT) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Stamper Subject: 3 in one day Three packages in one day, pretty nice haul. Rich Niessen starts my nightoff with a nice stack of UV including a 68 Mantle. Thanks Rich John Storman hits me again with a 61T, 53T, 53B, 51B and a 50B. I love the 50 Bowman set. John also included a 68 Ryan...UV. Many thanks John Mac Wubben sends a box of OPC. Half of the 350 plus came along for the rideon a deal we made for some 66 and 68. Now I am well on my way with the vintage OPC sets. Many sets added as Mac threw in 67, 69, 70, 71, 73, 74, 75, 76 and 79. So I started 6 new sets. It will take mesome time togo through all these. Much appreciated Mac. John Stamper ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jun 2010 01:49:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: Quick personal update Just wanted to take a second and update everyone on a few big things going on in my life. In December 2008 I was laid off from my job. After almost a year of struggling I found a fantastic opportunity in Harrisburg, PA thispast November. The drive from MD is about 1 1/2 hours one way so that hastaken quite a bit of my free time from family as well as cards!! After much discussion we decided in March to try to sell our house and move back toPA. I'm happy (and sad in ways too!) to report we sold our house last week and have found one about 20 minutes from my work in PA to buy!! The settlements are all in early July so I'll be busy with that until then--but after that I hope to become a little more active in my trading etc... My two youngest kids are very excited... my wife knows it's always a challenge to move (although we lived in that area 10 years ago) and my 13 year old daughter is coping as best as she can--she's finally getting her own roomso I'm sure that helps! Thanks for your patience with my slower responsesover the past year Thanks!! Brian Betza ================= To: , Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 23:30:48 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... ----- Original Message ----- From: malsman250@neo.rr.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 7:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... I cannot believe that happened....absolutely brutally bad call. Bill Malson ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 06:09:59 EDT To: malsman250@neo.rr.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... Content-Language: en Let's give the umpire credit. After the game and he used instant replay, He said he cost the guy a perfect game and apologize for it. He didn't come up with some lame excuse to make him look good or have an pompous attitude toward the people who questioned his ability to umpire. Sure the lose the perfect and cant be taken back but at least the umpire said I thought he beat the throw. I was wrong and cost the guy a perfect game. I'll take that over a guy who will stand there and blame everyone else in the game on why he was right. In a message dated 6/2/2010 8:01:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, malsman250@neo.rr.com writes: I cannot believe that happened....absolutely brutally bad call. Bill Malson ================= To: , Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 07:03:21 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... Amen. Nice article here http://joeposnanski.si.com/2010/06/02/the-lesson-of-jim-joyce/#more-3517 From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LUURSCJG@aol.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 6:10 AM To: malsman250@neo.rr.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] To all my FOOT friends...... Let's give the umpire credit. After the game and he used instant replay, He said he cost the guy a perfect game and apologize for it. He didn't comeup with some lame excuse to make him look good or have an pompous attitudetoward the people who questioned his ability to umpire. Sure the guy lose the perfect and cant be taken back but at least the umpire said I thoughthe beat the throw. I was wrong and cost the guy a perfect game. I'll take that over a guy who will stand there and blame everyone else in the game on why he was right. In a message dated 6/2/2010 8:01:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, malsman250@neo.rr.com I cannot believe that happened....absolutely brutally bad call. Bill Malson ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:51:20 -0700 (PDT) To: Tigers List , Carol Codere , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Well, if nothing else we should at least be prepared to get a laugh out of the situation! Galarraga's "perfect" game ================= To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:20:55 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Richard D To: tigers@lists.ibl.org; cdreamweaver@yahoo.com; jnoland@heincpa.com; j_codere@hotmail.com; kdpilkington@cableone.net; volybolnut@sbcglobal.net; mikah.j.perez@citi.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Shannon@novahomeloans.com; From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:51:20 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Well, if nothing else we should at least be prepared to get a laugh out of the Galarraga's "perfect" game ================= To: Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 19:21:52 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by If only Abbott and Costello were still here ... To: tigers@lists.ibl.org; cdreamweaver@yahoo.com; jnoland@heincpa.com; j_codere@hotmail.com; kdpilkington@cableone.net; volybolnut@sbcglobal.net; mikah.j.perez@citi.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Shannon@novahomeloans.com; From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:51:20 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Well, if nothing else we should at least be prepared to get a laugh out of the Galarraga's "perfect" game ================= Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2010 22:27:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: thanks to Rich Niessen for killing my 93 set and for a nice group of modern cards. Bob Donaldson sends along a Babe Ruth postcard and a hit to my 1963 fleer set. Thank you, Richard Labs ================= To: , "richard dingman" Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:33:30 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen I know I'm just an old crotch, but I find nothing here to laugh about, evenif I wasn't a Tigers fan. I suspect my eyes will continue to water and tear up any time I see, hear, or read about this robbery that Armando and theTigers have suffered. Kuddo's to GM for handing over a Corvette to Mr. Galarraga. Screw Mr. Selig for not reversing the call, but, perhaps someday, we might see some future record books listing Armando's feat with an asterisk as a 28 out, perfectgame. Moreover, as a Tigers fan, I am saddened that a performance like this, which could have been a spring board for a Tigers run, has now been reduced to a circus, which prompts some of us to accept, and find humor in theresult. I'm sorry. Build and post all the comical videos you can dream about, but there is nothing funny about this. This is a tragic event, a "rally killer," and epitomizes much that is all wrong with baseball. Just because "we've always done it this way" worked back then, doesn't mean it's still working now. I love the "human element" in ALL of sports, not just baseball, butI don't think any official, umpire, referee or administrator, should be bigger than the game itself. If someone can find a humorous and comical video on Blew Tube about this, then everyone can also find the hundreds and hundreds of other video posts, proving bad result. ... ...AND, then look at the thousands and thousands of views that each of these other video posts are receiving, and if you do, you'll soon realize that this has attracted not only thousands, but likely MILLIONS, who probably agree, that the Tigers and Armando, were robbed. No, I'm sorry. Classic joking around or not, I find nothing humorous aboutthis what so ever. ...and yes, I know, as a Tigers fan, I know I'm biased, but as a baseball fan, I'm sure I'd shed a few tears for any pitcher on any team. It's just ALL WRONG !!!!! !!! !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: richard dingman To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Richard D To: tigers@lists.ibl.org; cdreamweaver@yahoo.com; jnoland@heincpa.com; j_codere@hotmail.com; kdpilkington@cableone.net; volybolnut@sbcglobal.net; mikah.j.perez@citi.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Shannon@novahomeloans.com; From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:51:20 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Well, if nothing else we should at least be prepared to get a laugh out of the Galarraga's "perfect" game ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jun 2010 10:10:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "John" Subject: question for my fellow foot members hey guys, a month or so ago I heard from Mike Rich about a show over aroundthe detroit area on the 6th (tomorrow). I thought it might be kind of niceto head that way, check out some cards and meet up with some of you guys that might normally attend this. Problem is that I have seen no traffic at all about this show and don't want to head over if it isn't going on.....can any body give me a clue if this show is still going to happen, and 2nd, if anyone is planning on attending. dazed and confused in jackson John Dahms ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 06:59:49 EDT To: wguthrie@axint.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: friar4@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen At the risk of rubbing salt into the wounds, which is not my intention, I have to disagree with Walker. Of course, I am not a Tigers fan and maybe I would feel differently if they were my team instead of the Red Sox. Anyway, this is my take on what happened this week. Even as a distant Red Sox fan, I did shed several tears when I saw the play and felt the enormity of its impact on the kid pitcher now and over the many years to come in his life. My first inclination was to say that the decision should be overturned, especially since the umpire admits his mistake and is suffering perhaps as much or more than the pitcher himself. After thinking about it for a while and listening to a number of people on WFAN in New York who voiced both opinions, I was persuaded to believe that the call should not be reversed for a very important reason. In a world that has become almost totally pragmatic and subjective on so many things, I think that baseball is something that is very important to our ethic and our values. Unlike any other sport, in my humble opinion, it is a metaphor for standards and the purity of human aspiration. The humanity of man and the fallibility he brings to all he does is part of that equation and that metaphor. Baseball is life and, particularly, baseball is American life; and it is so with all of its imperfections (and it has many). That call the other night was part of the game. It was not corrected on the spot (I could have accepted that), but it was made and put in the books. According to the rules of baseball, it is my understanding that a protest can be upheld only it there is a misinterpretation of the rules. That did not happen. It was a judgement error - not subject to ex post facto scrutiny after the game. Now everyone knows, as I have said, that baseball is filled with imperfections. It is why I feel the way I do about the Yankees. Baseball's imperfections have literally destroyed the fair-play concept of a level playing field by allowing teams like the Yankees to buy championships. This system should be changed to promote that level playing field that would make the game so much better, not to mention so much more fair; but when and if that time comes, I will not be the one to say that the Yankees should punished by taking away their 27 championships. We have to deal with the future and make changes that will improve the game, but I don't think we can go back to "correct" history. We all know life is imperfect. Man is fallible. We live in a "valley of tears." Nature is nature and baseball is baseball. If we change that, we risk opening the flood gates for every time a mistake is made. I guess if I were a lawyer or a Constitutional scholar, I would call it tampering with precedent setting changes. Mike Francesa was accurate when he said that Selig was correct when he kept his hands in his pockets. We cannot make perfect that which is, by its nature, imperfect. That is the nature of the world, of man, and of baseball. Bob Corvello 42 Winston Drive Washington Depot, Ct. 06794 860 868-2939 Friar4@aol.com RobertCorvello@yahoo.com _http://friar4.i8.com/_ (http://friar4.i8.com/) Member: OBC, VCT, DT ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 07:58:42 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen I, for one, am glad that Selig did not overturn the call. That would have set a very bad precedence for future games. Can you imagine a game like the 1985 World Series Game 6 where they changed the result a day later? Besides I believe the bad call in the '85 series was on the 25th out of the game and not the 27th out. Does that mean only the last out of the game couldbe The one good thing that comes out of all of this is that the league will possibly expand the use of instant replay. I'm not sure if I'm for that or against it but I'm sure it will be a discussion during the off season. For some plays it's a no brainer but for others (like when players stop runningon foul balls which should have been fair) it's too difficult to know where to put the runners. It's worth noting that Galarraga wasn't the first pitcher to lose a perfectgame on a bad or questionable call. Most of us are familiar with Milt Pappas who felt he struck out Larry Stahl back in 1972 but how many of us knowabout Hooks Wiltse. In 1908, Wiltse was apparently screwed over by an umpire as well. He retired the first 26 and had a 1-2 count on the pitcher, George McQuillan. The next pitch appeared to be strike three but was called aball. Wiltse then hit McQuillan on the 2-2 pitch to lose his perfect game.He retired the next four hitters to complete the no hitter and win the game 1 to 0 in 10 innings. Umpire Cy Rigler, who later admitted that he blew the call, spent years giving Wiltse cigars to atone for it. I don't know ifGalarraga is a cigar smoker or not. http://bioproj.sabr.org/bioproj.cfm?av&vl&bid996&pid15378 Another thing. If you saw all of the highlights from Halladay's perfect game you would have noticed that the umpire was VERY generous to him. He went to a 3 ball count on a number of hitters and at least 1 and probably 2 pitches were not even close to the strike zone but Halladay got the call and avoided a walk which would have ruined the perfect game. I think Chris Coughlin was victimized twice. It's very easy to say that Galarraga deserved theperfect game more than Halladay. All of this could have been avoided if Miguel Cabrerra had just played first base instead of first and second. The ball was clearly the second baseman's -Bob R To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; brightair@msn.com CC: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 01:33:30 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen I know I'm just an old crotch, but I find nothing here to laugh about, evenif I wasn't a Tigers fan. I suspect my eyes will continue to water and tear up any time I see, hear, or read about this robbery that Armando and theTigers have suffered. Kuddo's to GM for handing over a Corvette to Mr. Galarraga. Screw Mr. Selig for not reversing the call, but, perhaps someday, we might see some future record books listing Armando's feat with an asterisk as a 28 out, perfectgame. Moreover, as a Tigers fan, I am saddened that a performance like this, which could have been a spring board for a Tigers run, has now been reduced to a circus, which prompts some of us to accept, and find humor in theresult. I'm sorry. Build and post all the comical videos you can dream about, but there is nothing funny about this. This is a tragic event, a "rally killer," and epitomizes much that is all wrong with baseball. Just because "we've always done it this way" worked back then, doesn't mean it's still working now. I love the "human element" in ALL of sports, not just baseball, butI don't think any official, umpire, referee or administrator, should be bigger than the game itself. If someone can find a humorous and comical video on Blew Tube about this, then everyone can also find the hundreds and hundreds of other video posts, proving bad result. ... ...AND, then look at the thousands and thousands of views that each of these other video posts are receiving, and if you do, you'll soon realize that this has attracted not only thousands, but likely MILLIONS, who probably agree, that the Tigers and Armando, were robbed. No, I'm sorry. Classic joking around or not, I find nothing humorous aboutthis what so ever. ...and yes, I know, as a Tigers fan, I know I'm biased, but as a baseball fan, I'm sure I'd shed a few tears for any pitcher on any team. It's just ALL WRONG !!!!! !!! !!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: richard dingman To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Richard D To: tigers@lists.ibl.org; cdreamweaver@yahoo.com; jnoland@heincpa.com; j_codere@hotmail.com; kdpilkington@cableone.net; volybolnut@sbcglobal.net; mikah.j.perez@citi.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Shannon@novahomeloans.com; From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 09:51:20 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen by Jim Joyce, which of course makes Hitler very upset. Well, if nothing else we should at least be prepared to get a laugh out of the Galarraga's "perfect" game The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tilemulticalendar&ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 12:41:32 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Pensacola Show OBCers -- John Storman and I, and I believe Brock Hattox and Steve Rittenberg as well, are headed to Pensacola on June 19th for the first show I've ever heard of in the Panhandle. If anybody else is interested, let me know and we can come up with a rendevouz plan... Take Care, ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 19:49:22 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen First off, I think Selig is a disaster as a Commissioner - but, in this case, what he did (nothing) was absolutely correct. Changing a judgement call just so everybody feels good would have been a terrible precedent. But even if he had gotten the perfect game, there should still have been an asterick by it.....he did it against a minor league team. The one redeeming aspect of the whole thing is the adult response (pretty rare among athletes) shown by Galarraga, Leyland, and for that matter even the Tiger fans. ---- friar4@aol.com wrote: > At the risk of rubbing salt into the wounds, which is not my intention, I > have to disagree with Walker. Of course, I am not a Tigers fan and maybe I > would feel differently if they were my team instead of the Red Sox. Anyway, > this is my take on what happened this week. > Even as a distant Red Sox fan, I did shed several tears when I saw the play > and felt the enormity of its impact on the kid pitcher now and over the > many years to come in his life. My first inclination was to say that the > decision should be overturned, especially since the umpire admits his mistake > and is suffering perhaps as much or more than the pitcher himself. > After thinking about it for a while and listening to a number of people on > WFAN in New York who voiced both opinions, I was persuaded to believe that > the call should not be reversed for a very important reason. In a world > that has become almost totally pragmatic and subjective on so many things, I > think that baseball is something that is very important to our ethic and our > values. Unlike any other sport, in my humble opinion, it is a metaphor for > standards and the purity of human aspiration. The humanity of man and the > fallibility he brings to all he does is part of that equation and that > metaphor. Baseball is life and, particularly, baseball is American life; and it > is so with all of its imperfections (and it has many). That call the other > night was part of the game. It was not corrected on the spot (I could have > accepted that), but it was made and put in the books. According to the > rules of baseball, it is my understanding that a protest can be upheld only it > there is a misinterpretation of the rules. That did not happen. It was a > judgement error - not subject to ex post facto scrutiny after the game. > Now everyone knows, as I have said, that baseball is filled with > imperfections. It is why I feel the way I do about the Yankees. Baseball's > imperfections have literally destroyed the fair-play concept of a level playing > field by allowing teams like the Yankees to buy championships. This system > should be changed to promote that level playing field that would make the game > so much better, not to mention so much more fair; but when and if that time > comes, I will not be the one to say that the Yankees should punished by > taking away their 27 championships. We have to deal with the future and make > changes that will improve the game, but I don't think we can go back to > "correct" history. We all know life is imperfect. Man is fallible. We live in a > "valley of tears." Nature is nature and baseball is baseball. If we change > that, we risk opening the flood gates for every time a mistake is made. I > guess if I were a lawyer or a Constitutional scholar, I would call it > tampering with precedent setting changes. Mike Francesa was accurate when he > said that Selig was correct when he kept his hands in his pockets. > We cannot make perfect that which is, by its nature, imperfect. That is the > nature of the world, of man, and of baseball. > Bob Corvello > 42 Winston Drive > Washington Depot, Ct. 06794 > 860 868-2939 > Friar4@aol.com RobertCorvello@yahoo.com > _http://friar4.i8.com/_ (http://friar4.i8.com/) > Member: OBC, VCT, DT ================= To: , Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 14:18:45 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando's imperfect game "But even if he had gotten the perfect game, there should still have been an asterick by it.....he did it against a minor league team." Ouch. This could be worse than the loss suffered by Amando and the Tiggs, 'cause if I were an Indians fan, these would be fight'n words. Win, lose, or draw, I'm not here to advocate rule change in baseball, I'm just under the influence that Sir Armando and the Tigers, got robbed. Each story I read, brings water, tears, and redness to my eyes. Since I am indeed a Tiggs fan, I'm still crying. Alas, while I am angered at the injustice, I also support the "human element" of the game, but as a former computergeek, I would also not be opposed to a camera operator showing an umpire aplay that he might need help with. Helping a team win or lose, one more game during a season is one thing, seeing a very rare, Perfect Game, ruined by a bad call, is unacceptable. Just my point of view, ----- Original Message ----- From: malsman250@neo.rr.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen First off, I think Selig is a disaster as a Commissioner - but, in this case, what he did (nothing) was absolutely correct. Changing a judgement call just so everybody feels good would have been a terrible precedent. But even if he had gotten the perfect game, there should still have been anasterick by it.....he did it against a minor league team. The one redeeming aspect of the whole thing is the adult response (pretty rare among athletes) shown by Galarraga, Leyland, and for that matter even the Tiger fans. ---- friar4@aol.com wrote: > At the risk of rubbing salt into the wounds, which is not my intention, I > have to disagree with Walker. Of course, I am not a Tigers fan and maybe I > would feel differently if they were my team instead of the Red Sox. Anyway, > this is my take on what happened this week. > Even as a distant Red Sox fan, I did shed several tears when I saw the play > and felt the enormity of its impact on the kid pitcher now and over the > many years to come in his life. My first inclination was to say that the > decision should be overturned, especially since the umpire admits his mistake > and is suffering perhaps as much or more than the pitcher himself. > After thinking about it for a while and listening to a number of people on > WFAN in New York who voiced both opinions, I was persuaded to believe that > the call should not be reversed for a very important reason. In a world > that has become almost totally pragmatic and subjective on so many things, > think that baseball is something that is very important to our ethic and our > values. Unlike any other sport, in my humble opinion, it is a metaphor for > standards and the purity of human aspiration. The humanity of man and the > fallibility he brings to all he does is part of that equation and that > metaphor. Baseball is life and, particularly, baseball is American life; and > is so with all of its imperfections (and it has many). That call the other > night was part of the game. It was not corrected on the spot (I could have > accepted that), but it was made and put in the books. According to the > rules of baseball, it is my understanding that a protest can be upheld only > there is a misinterpretation of the rules. That did not happen. It was a > judgement error - not subject to ex post facto scrutiny after the game. > Now everyone knows, as I have said, that baseball is filled with > imperfections. It is why I feel the way I do about the Yankees. Baseball's > imperfections have literally destroyed the fair-play concept of a level playing > field by allowing teams like the Yankees to buy championships. This system > should be changed to promote that level playing field that would make thegame > so much better, not to mention so much more fair; but when and if that time > comes, I will not be the one to say that the Yankees should punished by > taking away their 27 championships. We have to deal with the future and make > changes that will improve the game, but I don't think we can go back to > "correct" history. We all know life is imperfect. Man is fallible. We live in a > "valley of tears." Nature is nature and baseball is baseball. If we change > that, we risk opening the flood gates for every time a mistake is made. I > guess if I were a lawyer or a Constitutional scholar, I would call it > tampering with precedent setting changes. Mike Francesa was accurate whenhe > said that Selig was correct when he kept his hands in his pockets. > We cannot make perfect that which is, by its nature, imperfect. That is the > nature of the world, of man, and of baseball. > Bob Corvello > 42 Winston Drive > Washington Depot, Ct. 06794 > 860 868-2939 > Friar4@aol.com RobertCorvello@yahoo.com > _http://friar4.i8.com/_ (http://friar4.i8.com/) > Member: OBC, VCT, DT ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 17:19:20 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Walker From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando's imperfect game I've been an Indians fan since 1959, so I'm allowed to make the wise crack....but if anybody else did.... I certainly understand your frustration, I was watching the game and could not believe that it happened that way. I suppose if there was instant replay in place, then ok...I'm just saying you can't change the rules after it happens. No doubt, it just ain't right...but like they say, that's baseball. ---- Walker wrote: > "But even if he had gotten the perfect game, there should still have been an asterick by it.....he did it against a minor league team." > Ouch. This could be worse than the loss suffered by Amando and the Tiggs, 'cause if I were an Indians fan, these would be fight'n words. > Win, lose, or draw, I'm not here to advocate rule change in baseball, I'm just under the influence that Sir Armando and the Tigers, got robbed. Each story I read, brings water, tears, and redness to my eyes. Since I am indeed a Tiggs fan, I'm still crying. Alas, while I am angered at the injustice, I also support the "human element" of the game, but as a former computer geek, I would also not be opposed to a camera operator showing an umpire a play that he might need help with. > Helping a team win or lose, one more game during a season is one thing, seeing a very rare, Perfect Game, ruined by a bad call, is unacceptable. > Just my point of view, > Walker > ----- Original Message ----- > From: malsman250@neo.rr.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Armando Galarraga's perfect game is stolen > First off, I think Selig is a disaster as a Commissioner - but, in this case, what he did (nothing) was absolutely correct. Changing a judgement call just so everybody feels good would have been a terrible precedent. > But even if he had gotten the perfect game, there should still have been an asterick by it.....he did it against a minor league team. > The one redeeming aspect of the whole thing is the adult response (pretty rare among athletes) shown by Galarraga, Leyland, and for that matter even the Tiger fans. > ---- friar4@aol.com wrote: > > > > At the risk of rubbing salt into the wounds, which is not my intention, I > > have to disagree with Walker. Of course, I am not a Tigers fan and maybe I > > would feel differently if they were my team instead of the Red Sox. Anyway, > > this is my take on what happened this week. > > > > Even as a distant Red Sox fan, I did shed several tears when I saw the play > > and felt the enormity of its impact on the kid pitcher now and over the > > many years to come in his life. My first inclination was to say that the > > decision should be overturned, especially since the umpire admits his mistake > > and is suffering perhaps as much or more than the pitcher himself. > > > > After thinking about it for a while and listening to a number of people on > > WFAN in New York who voiced both opinions, I was persuaded to believe that > > the call should not be reversed for a very important reason. In a world > > that has become almost totally pragmatic and subjective on so many things, I > > think that baseball is something that is very important to our ethic and our > > values. Unlike any other sport, in my humble opinion, it is a metaphor for > > standards and the purity of human aspiration. The humanity of man and the > > fallibility he brings to all he does is part of that equation and that > > metaphor. Baseball is life and, particularly, baseball is American life; and it > > is so with all of its imperfections (and it has many). That call the other > > night was part of the game. It was not corrected on the spot (I could have > > accepted that), but it was made and put in the books. According to the > > rules of baseball, it is my understanding that a protest can be upheld only it > > there is a misinterpretation of the rules. That did not happen. It was a > > judgement error - not subject to ex post facto scrutiny after the game. > > > > Now everyone knows, as I have said, that baseball is filled with > > imperfections. It is why I feel the way I do about the Yankees. Baseball's > > imperfections have literally destroyed the fair-play concept of a level playing > > field by allowing teams like the Yankees to buy championships. This system > > should be changed to promote that level playing field that would make the game > > so much better, not to mention so much more fair; but when and if that time > > comes, I will not be the one to say that the Yankees should punished by > > taking away their 27 championships. We have to deal with the future and make > > changes that will improve the game, but I don't think we can go back to > > "correct" history. We all know life is imperfect. Man is fallible. We live in a > > "valley of tears." Nature is nature and baseball is baseball. If we change > > that, we risk opening the flood gates for every time a mistake is made. I > > guess if I were a lawyer or a Constitutional scholar, I would call it > > tampering with precedent setting changes. Mike Francesa was accurate when he > > said that Selig was correct when he kept his hands in his pockets. > > > > We cannot make perfect that which is, by its nature, imperfect. That is the > > nature of the world, of man, and of baseball. > > > > > > Bob Corvello > > 42 Winston Drive > > Washington Depot, Ct. 06794 > > 860 868-2939 > > Friar4@aol.com RobertCorvello@yahoo.com > > _http://friar4.i8.com/_ (http://friar4.i8.com/) > > Member: OBC, VCT, DT ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 00:01:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: 1952 topps high numbers what is a fair price for good/vg high numbers. thanks Rick ================= To: , Date: Sat, 5 Jun 2010 20:43:14 -0400 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 topps high numbers fair? or what you are going to have to pay? VG $40+, $50+ probably. WhenI started I used to try to stick to $30 and that was 10 years ago, and I never got a VG. good luck! ----- Original Message ----- From: rrrlyons To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 topps high numbers what is a fair price for good/vg high numbers. thanks Rick ================= Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2010 18:21:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: NorthWest show I went to the semi-annual show in seattle yesterday and got quite a few hits to the wantlist 5-51 blue backs 5-52 topps and a bunch of odds and ends but my biggest find was the last 65 topps transfer I need Dick Stuart I couldn't believe it, it was the only one in the room and the one I need. One gentleman had some 52 high numbers but I couldn't get myself to try and make a deal for the lower grade ones. After a few of you responded to my e-mail yesterday I decieded to go back this morning to see what I could do. I got 5 high's and a Duke Snider so I'm now officially going to collect the high's. I paid 160 for the 5-highs and 30 for the Duke. He had more highs but they were better grade so we never got into price on them. I'll send a scan so you can see my new prize loot. Rick ================= To: Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:35:29 +0000 From: LYONS RONI Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] NorthWest show here is pics To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rrrlyons@msn.com Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 18:21:45 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] NorthWest show I went to the semi-annual show in seattle yesterday and got quite a few hits to the wantlist 5-51 blue backs 5-52 topps and a bunch of odds and ends but my biggest find was the last 65 topps transfer I need Dick Stuart I couldn't believe it, it was the only one in the room and the one I need. One gentleman had some 52 high numbers but I couldn't get myself to try and make a deal for the lower grade ones. After a few of you responded to my e-mail yesterday I decieded to go back this morning to see what I could do. I got 5 high's and a Duke Snider so I'm now officially going to collect the high's. I paid 160 for the 5-highs and 30 for the Duke. He had more highs but they were better grade so we never got into price on them. I'll send a scan so you can see my new prize loot. Rick ================= To: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 16:39:45 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Anybody have T3's to trade? Sitting on 5 T3 dupes now (Elberfeld, Bescher, Murray, Overall, Rucker) Here is my wantlist: T3 Turkey Reds 2-7 12 14 18-19 26 28a (bklyn) 28b (b and chi) 31 33 37-40 42-44 46 49 50 80 82 84-88 90a doolin 90b doolan 91 94 97 99-110 112b (cin and p) 114 116 118 122a (NY) 122b (ny&b) 123-124 Love to trade them for other T3's, but would consider anything. If you want to trade, let me know. Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:24:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Thanks To John Leroux for almost a complete set of series 2 2010 Topps and for bringing my series 1 set down to one card. SERIES 1 2010 TOPPS SERIES 2 336 349 351 352 359 37 376 392 404 405 416 425 430 438 440 445 446 455 456 461 475 494 513 525 534 536 560 562 574 584 589 597 611 615 619 620 622 624634 637 644 652 653 658 Thank you, Richard Labs ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 22:24:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Thanks To John Leroux for almost a complete set of series 2 2010 Topps and for bringing my series 1 set down to one card. SERIES 1 2010 TOPPS SERIES 2 336 349 351 352 359 37 376 392 404 405 416 425 430 438 440 445 446 455 456 461 475 494 513 525 534 536 560 562 574 584 589 597 611 615 619 620 622 624634 637 644 652 653 658 Thank you, Richard Labs ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jun 2010 23:46:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "welfar03" Subject: Hostess Panels Got a couple of 79 Hostess panels up for grabs. The first one has 7 Mazzilli, 8 Garvey, and 9 Schmidt. The second one has 13 Kuiper, 14 Caldwell, and 15 Kemp. No creases but they have wear from setting on the shelf. They even have the 'Player Statistics on Back of Each Card' at the top of the panel. I also have a partial panel from 1974 that has 136 K Hendeson and137 Montanez. It's just these 2 and they have creases. Let me know if you are interested. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 23:13:32 -0400 From: "senthi" Subject: NAtionals is cxl for Me I received the bad news I have a pop up event the same weekend as the Nationals. I had it all set-up for the past 8 months and my world was just Sorry I will not be there Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 06:51:58 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Storman Subject: JOHNNY BENCH 247 REPLACEMENT ANYONE INTERESTED IN ONE OF THESE? I HAVE FOUR. JOHN STORMAN ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 19:45:03 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: First five cards issued for each HOFer now on OldCardboard.com Hey all, Spent a long time looking through the "rookies list" HOF page on OldCardboard.com. Very cool old scans in there! http://www.oldcardboard.com/ref/rookies/RookiesList.asp ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jun 2010 20:52:04 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Split an ebay lot? Are there 6 other team collectors willing to split this ebay lot of 1961 Jays Team Photos? http://cgi.ebay.com/1961-Jay-Publishing-Team-Photo-Packs-7-Different-MINT-/390204009691?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Vintage_Sports_Memorabilia&hash=item5ad9f8acdb 1961 Jay Publishing Team Photo Packs 7 Different all still in their original factory wrap in MINT condition......Includes: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, St. Louis Cardinals, Los Angeles Dodgers, Philadelphia Phillies, Kansas City Athletics & Chicago White Sox....Includes HOFERS: Brooks Robinson, Luis Aparicio, Nellie Fox, Early Wynn, Al Lopez, Carl Yastrzemski, Duke Snider, Don Drysdale, Stan Musial & Robin Roberts....Also includes many minor stars........Winner pays $7 shipping.....Please be sure to check out our other sports card & memorabilia auctions every week on E Bay.....Check out our outstanding feedback record & bid with confidence....Win one of our items and join our large list of satisfied customers!!!!.. ================= To: Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 22:59:27 -0500 From: "Mark Zentkovich" Subject: Fw: duke snider book I have this one up for trade if anyone needs it. here is a link to a picture if needed. http://www.paperbackswap.com/book/details/9780821724699-The+Duke+of+Flatbush+Zebra+Books http://home.earthlink.net/~mzentko/ ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jun 2010 05:39:18 +0000 (UTC) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geordie Calvert Subject: external hard drive - any recommendations? hello all -I hope all is well wherever you are in OBC land. In 15-odd years of owning computers, I have never backed up my files. I think it's time I stop tempting fate. What's my best bang for the buck? ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 02:21:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rjsharks" Subject: What a cool year Hey everyone. It is my one year anniversary of joining this group. I thought it would be fun to go see how much my collection has changed since 1 year ago. Oh my goodness. I sent out a few cards and received about 7 bawoogazillion. Cards I have never seen before, cards I have always wanted, cards I never thought I would ever have, cards with holes in them, cards that make a 26 year old look older than me, cards that are old and look like it, cards that are old and look brand new, cards that are are newer that I get a kick out of, cards that must have been touched by 500 people and at least one that was angry, cards of superstars, cards of players I have never heard of, cards that cover about 70 years, cards that I can't stop looking at Cards that let me know how cool you all are. Thank you and thanks again everyone. Randy Welk ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 02:54:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: help me I have been trying to get onto the uvlist@yahoo group to post thanks but all of my attempts yhave been bounced back to me. Can anyone help? Richard Labs ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jun 2010 23:23:18 EDT To: rlabs1@elp.rr.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help me Content-Language: en hi richard: you need to get the moderator to approve you can the moderator of the uv list (carlos?) please help richard out? In a message dated 6/11/2010 9:55:51 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rlabs1@elp.rr.com writes: I have been trying to get onto the uvlist@yahoo group to post thanks but all of my attempts yhave been bounced back to me. Can anyone help? Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 06:49:46 -0400 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: postage problems Hi Guys I just heard back from a Japanese client that I've been short on postage. Over the past few weeks, I've sent out some pretty thick letter size envelopes. Has anybody had postage due from my OBC offerings? Please tell me if you did as I need to figure out what to add. I use a scale but it sounds like the post office likes to round up big time ================= To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:29:03 -0500 From: Subject: UV List access I have had similar problems as Richard getting into the uv list. Could someone help me out as well? Randy Griffin ================= To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 12:14:23 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: The Healing Power of cardboard You might react that this post belongs on the thanks server, but I've already thanked people that way and wanted to reflect a moment on "Ramblings" about OBC and collecting. A number of us have dealt with personal, business, family, and health issues over the years. Collecting goes on despite the other things that happen in our lives. I've had only two health problems in the past 20 years - three years ago I landed on my shoulder and head in a biking accident (all works fine again) and two weeks ago I encountered kidney stones. Everyone I talk to says they understand kidney stones can be quite painful. I fully agree. At this point I think I'm within a few days of being OK again and the world will go on. However right in the middle of feeling pretty lousy about my kidney stone fate I received envelopes out of the blue from Mike Rich and Michael Mroz, both Michigan boys and both sending some hockey players. I have no idea what the cards are "worth" but I know they were worth a lot to me. It took my mind off my temporary problem and got me reading the backs of trading cards again. I'm glad I added hockey to my want list. Anyway I think Mike Rich may have coined the phrase "the healing power of cardboard." I know what it means and appreciate the OBC spirit of sending stuff out of the blue. You may just hit someone at an opportune time. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 13:20:21 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: ID help for a non-sport flag set? Hi all, Picked up this #5 silk flag at last year's national and now can't figure out what it's from. Any non-sport collectors know? http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/NQAlQdWAwGkaSD3750nMUYfvKSdk_t4-tHVfoD1G4LU?feat=directlink ================= To: Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2010 21:19:42 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Neat Phillies Item on EvilBay http://cgi.ebay.com/MIKE-SCHMIDT-HIGH-SCHOOL-YEARBOOK-1965-FAIRVIEW-HIGH-/160444524274=09=09=09=09=09 Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2 ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:18:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: How would you react to this? I believe I sent out a ramble last month about my stopping by a relatively new store that opened up and picking up about 1/2 a set of 1953 Glendale Tigers. It was not my first time at the shop and there are 2 owners. One I have known for years, as he has had multiple stores in multiple locations for years. Sometimes he has a few cards I need. While prices are not great, they are sometimes reasonable and I have picked up a few cards now and again from him. When I got the Glendales, the other partner was there, who Ido not know at all. I told him I was looking for old and oddball and he brught out a monster box of old Tigers cards. I found the Glandales in there. They had old stickers on there from some store or dealer, they had acquired them from, YEARS before. I made an offer to the guy, essentially offering to take them all for a 1/3 discount off the sticker price on them. He said he was not sure of the value and thought about holding them until his other partner was in and they would call me (he already had my name and number from another stack of prewar that he was not even sure what sets they were from). He then went on the computer and checked current selling prices for Glendales. He said there was very little that had been selling recently or were for sale. He made a counter offer on the Glendales and we eventually settled on a price. Yesterday I stopped by for the first time since getting the Glendales. I wanted to look at their old Boxing (Topps Ringside and Leaf, although I feelthe prices are too high). He asked if I was the guy that bought the old Tigers, and I said yes. He then told me that he sold them too cheaply, theywere worth more and he would "pass" on selling me or showing me the boxingcards. I told him, I was not aware that they were worth that much more (Idid feel I got a good deal, but did not think I had raped him). I then asked,what that meant. "Did it mean, he was not interested in my business anymore?" His reply was, "Yes, I do not want your business anymore and you can now leave". He is an owner of the store, and negotiated the price with me. Did I do anything wrong? Is this absurd? Should I try and go back when the other partner is there or just stay away from the store? Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 05:42:12 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? What a ridiculous situation, and what a stupid store owner. If he was unsure of value, he could have held on to the Glendales as long as necessary until he could establish a price. Instead HE CHOSE to deal withyou and sell at an agreed price. Refusing to accept your custom because of his own "mistake" is petty and childish. He should take it as a lesson to himself to know his own stock. Andfor the stuff he doesn't know about, well how hard is it to keep a copy ofthe latest SCD Catalog handy for all those oddball sets not covered by Beckett? Losing your custom is very much their loss. I know shops that sell the sortof stuff you collect are fairly few and far between, but in this instance I don't think these guys deserve your patronage. Unfortunately, they don't sound like the types who would even care, so confronting them probably isn't worth the effort. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, June 13, 2010 1:18:39 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? I believe I sent out a ramble last month about my stopping by a relatively new store that opened up and picking up about 1/2 a set of 1953 Glendale Tigers. It was not my first time at the shop and there are 2 owners. One I have known for years, as he has had multiple stores in multiple locations for years. Sometimes he has a few cards I need. While prices are not great, they are sometimes reasonable and I have picked up a few cards now and again from him. When I got the Glendales, the other partner was there, who Ido not know at all. I told him I was looking for old and oddball and he brught out a monster box of old Tigers cards. I found the Glandales in there. They had old stickers on there from some store or dealer, they had acquired them from, YEARS before. I made an offer to the guy, essentially offering to take them all for a 1/3 discount off the sticker price on them. He said he was not sure of the value and thought about holding them until his other partner was in and they would call me (he already had my name and number from another stack of prewar that he was not even sure what sets they were from). He then went on the computer and checked current selling prices for Glendales. He said there was very little that had been selling recently or were for sale. He made a counter offer on the Glendales and we eventually settled on a price. Yesterday I stopped by for the first time since getting the Glendales. I wanted to look at their old Boxing (Topps Ringside and Leaf, although I feelthe prices are too high). He asked if I was the guy that bought the old Tigers, and I said yes. He then told me that he sold them too cheaply, theywere worth more and he would "pass" on selling me or showing me the boxingcards. I told him, I was not aware that they were worth that much more (Idid feel I got a good deal, but did not think I had raped him). I then asked,what that meant. "Did it mean, he was not interested in my business anymore?" His reply was, "Yes, I do not want your business anymore and you can now leave". He is an owner of the store, and negotiated the price with me. Did I do anything wrong? Is this absurd? Should I try and go back when the other partner is there or just stay away from the store? Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:41:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Now this is different treatment by store owners For those that just read my previous message, you may understand why I leftthe previous shop and then decided to go find another store. I went to a shop only 3 or 4 miles away. I stop by every few months, as they sometimesfind old beat up and/or oddball cards they set aside for me to look at. Iwas able to pull out a stack of 1966 and prior superstar cards that were beat up. I probably overpaid at about 10% of book for duplicates, but I wasin the mood to get something after the previous bad ecounter. I got a 1964 Mantle, 1951 Bowman Campanella, 1953 Topps Wilhelm (upgraded the one I had), 1962 Topps Clemente, 1966 Aaron, 1961 Topps Banks and Drysdale, 1956 Ford (I need to dig out that set to see if this is a variation I need), a RedHeart Yost, and a couple other cards for $100. The dealer told me he would keep looking for stuff and I should stop back in another month or 2. So in contrast to the previous store that said they did not want my business, this one is telling me to stop back in. After meeting up with a buddy to watch the US gain a tie against England inthe World Cup (have you ever seen a weaker goal at any level, than what England gave up?)I went to yet another card shop. Side note; how many guys can go to 3 card shops in 1 day, and find vintage stuff at each? This shop keeps a team bag behind the counter with my name on it. These are for cards in such bad shape, they do not want to put in their cases. They sell them to me dirt cheap. He also mentioned that he had bought a collection recently and although some stuff I probably would have been intterested in had already been sold, there was a stack he felt I should at least look at. I passed on a few Goudeys priced at $7.50 each and even a Diamond Star in better shape at $20 I think, as I had them already. I did grab a 1941 Playball marked $4, a T-206 marked $5 and a 1950 Bowman Bill Rigney marked $1. They then handed me "my stack" from the team bag, that coontained mainly 1972Superstars, but was 11 cards from 1965 - 1974. The only non-HOFers was a 1965 Freehan (FOOT fav), 1972 Rose IA and 1973 Munson. The price for all of it, including the T-206, Layball and Bowman, $5 total! Turns out the Bowman and Playball were both upgrades (from horrible to poor!) and the T-206 was a Polar Bear back and I did not have that variation (not that I am trying for variation backs like Chuck. I barely have 1/2 a base set). This dealer requires me to give him back the team bag, as it has my name on it, andthis is their reminder to put stuff in it for the next time I am in the shop. This store is Comics Archives, and a couple of months ago, he opened up on a Sunday (they are only open Tuesday - Saturday) for a private showingfor the FOOT group, as Mark, Ron, Mike Mroz and I all stopped in due to the invitation extended to me. So the contrast of being told a store does not want my business, to another store telling me to stop back in a month to a store that keeps a bag with my name on it behind the counter, and will allow a private showing on a day they are normally closed. I guess you really can't please all the people all the time. Mike Rich ================= To: "obc" Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 07:57:55 -0500 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Beatle records This is off the normal "card Stuff'...........I guy that I work with has a bunch of old Beatles albums.some never opened, and he was wondering what they might be worth. Is there a site for possible values on these items? I am hoping this knowledgeable group can help. Thanks in advance for any response. Ken Goetsch ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 06:45:16 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, mikesportsfan From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? I'll say this in my usual, polite manner... What a friggin' idiot. A person who sells cards for a living should know that there are two sides to every transaction. A potential buyer gives a price he (or she) is willing to pay, and the potential seller can either accept the offer or turn it down. If he had reservations about the price you gave...he could have held on to the cards until he consulted with his partner, just like he alluded toas he considered Mike's offer. Instead, he accepted the deal and a -- legal -- transaction took place. What probably happened was the partner found out the cards were sold, foundout the price and gave the guy a ration of (you know what) for selling them. But you know what? That isn't Mike's problem. If this were my store and my partner had done that, I'd probably be P.O.'d but wouldn't tell the seller to walk...I'd merely make sure I was making a more equitable sale the next time the guy walks in. Telling returning customers to take a long walk off a short cliff is hardlya good business plan...no matter if the hobby is a money machine like it was in the 1980s or in a down cycle like it is now. Mike should be telling anybody he knows about his experience there. Take care, Chris --- On Sun, 6/13/10, mikesportsfan wrote: From: mikesportsfan Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, June 13, 2010, 8:18 AM I believe I sent out a ramble last month about my stopping by a relatively new store that opened up and picking up about 1/2 a set of 1953 Glendale Tigers. It was not my first time at the shop and there are 2 owners. One I have known for years, as he has had multiple stores in multiple locations for years. Sometimes he has a few cards I need. While prices are notgreat, they are sometimes reasonable and I have picked up a few cards now and again from him. When I got the Glendales, the other partner was there,who I do not know at all. I told him I was looking for old and oddball andhe brught out a monster box of old Tigers cards. I found the Glandales inthere. They had old stickers on there from some store or dealer, they hadacquired them from, YEARS before. I made an offer to the guy, essentiallyoffering to take them all for a 1/3 discount off the sticker price on them. He said he was not sure of the value and thought about holding them until his other partner was in and they would call me (he already hadmy name and number from another stack of prewar that he was not even sure what sets they were from). He then went on the computer and checked currentselling prices for Glendales. He said there was very little that had beenselling recently or were for sale. He made a counter offer on the Glendales and we eventually settled on a price. Yesterday I stopped by for the first time since getting the Glendales. I wanted to look at their old Boxing (Topps Ringside and Leaf, although I feelthe prices are too high). He asked if I was the guy that bought the old Tigers, and I said yes. He then told me that he sold them too cheaply, theywere worth more and he would "pass" on selling me or showing me the boxingcards. I told him, I was not aware that they were worth that much more (Idid feel I got a good deal, but did not think I had raped him). I then asked,what that meant. "Did it mean, he was not interested in my business anymore?" His reply was, "Yes, I do not want your business anymore and you can now leave". He is an owner of the store, and negotiated the price with me. Did I do anything wrong? Is this absurd? Should I try and go back when the other partner is there or just stay away from the store? Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:08:20 -0400 From: "Gord Ellis" Subject: Now this is different treatment by store owners Mike: There's no question that you did anything wrong at the 1st store. It's hard to believe that an owner would actually reprimand you and say that he doesn't want your business, especially with a competitor so close. He'sthe one who agreed to the price!! Stay away from him!! The 2nd owner is the one who deserves your business. There's an owner like the 1st one in Hamilton. He's very confrontational and follows you around the store. Although he has the only store in town, I stay away from him. He could get a lot of business from me, but no way!! ================= To: , Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:14:31 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners This is an easy one.... Store #1 - Buh Bye! Store#2 - Frequent this store, bring your FEET OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:41 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners For those that just read my previous message, you may understand why I left the previous shop and then decided to go find another store. I went to ashop only 3 or 4 miles away. I stop by every few months, as they sometimesfind old beat up and/or oddball cards they set aside for me to look at. I was able to pull out a stack of 1966 and prior superstar cards that were beat up. I probably overpaid at about 10% of book for duplicates, but I was in the mood to get something after the previous bad ecounter. I got a 1964 Mantle, 1951 Bowman Campanella, 1953 Topps Wilhelm (upgraded the one I had),1962 Topps Clemente, 1966 Aaron, 1961 Topps Banks and Drysdale, 1956 Ford (I need to dig out that set to see if this is a variation I need), a Red Heart Yost, and a couple other cards for $100. The dealer told me he would keep looking for stuff and I should stop back in another month or 2. So in contrast to the previous store that said they did not want my business, this one is telling me to stop back in. After meeting up with a buddy to watch the US gain a tie against England in the World Cup (have you ever seen a weaker goal at any level, than what England gave up?)I went to yet another card shop. Side note; how many guys can go to 3 card shops in 1 day, and find vintage stuff at each? This shop keeps a team bag behind the counter with my name on it. These are for cardsin such bad shape, they do not want to put in their cases. They sell them to me dirt cheap. He also mentioned that he had bought a collection recently and although some stuff I probably would have been intterested in had already been sold, there was a stack he felt I should at least look at. I passed on a few Goudeys priced at $7.50 each and even a Diamond Star in better shape at $20 I think, as I had them already. I did grab a 1941 Playball marked $4, a T-206 marked $5 and a 1950 Bowman Bill Rigney marked $1. They then handed me "my stack" from the team bag, that coontained mainly 1972 Superstars, but was 11 cards from 1965 - 1974. The only non-HOFers was a 1965 Freehan (FOOT fav), 1972 Rose IA and 1973 Munson. The price for all of it, including the T-206, Layball and Bowman, $5 total! Turns out the Bowman and Playball were both upgrades (from horrible to poor!) and the T-206 was a Polar Bear back and I did not have that variation (not that I am trying for variation backs like Chuck. I barely have 1/2 a base set). This dealer requires me to give him back the team bag, as it has my name on it, and this is their reminder to put stuff in it for the next time I am in the shop. This store is Comics Archives, and a couple of months ago, he opened up on a Sunday (they are only open Tuesday - Saturday) for a private showing for the FOOT group, as Mark, Ron, Mike Mroz and I all stopped in due to the invitation extended to me. So the contrast of being told a store does not want my business, to another store telling me to stop back in a month to a store thatkeeps a bag with my name on it behind the counter, and will allow a private showing on a day they are normally closed. I guess you really can't please all the people all the time. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 11:23:34 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners Unbelievable-- I don't like this guy's chances of staying in business. Onthe one hand he doesn't know what he's got and is too much of a slug to educate himself; on the other, he throws out someone who could be one of his best customers. If it were me I hope I would have the sense to cultivate Mike not only as a customer but as a friend who could advise him on what to sell things for, since Mike obviously knows much more than he does. It reminds me of the stereotype of "baseball card dealer as sleazeball" that seemed so prominent in the boom years of the 1980s and early 1990s (you older guys will remember this). Most of those sleaze-guys are long gone, thank goodness, but clearly there are still some around.... From: mikesportsfan Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:41 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners For those that just read my previous message, you may understand why I leftthe previous shop and then decided to go find another store. I went to a shop only 3 or 4 miles away. I stop by every few months, as they sometimes find old beat up and/or oddball cards they set aside for me to look at. I was able to pull out a stack of 1966 and prior superstar cards that were beatup. I probably overpaid at about 10% of book for duplicates, but I was in the mood to get something after the previous bad ecounter. I got a 1964 Mantle, 1951 Bowman Campanella, 1953 Topps Wilhelm (upgraded the one I had), 1962 Topps Clemente, 1966 Aaron, 1961 Topps Banks and Drysdale, 1956 Ford (Ineed to dig out that set to see if this is a variation I need), a Red Heart Yost, and a couple other cards for $100. The dealer told me he would keeplooking for stuff and I should stop back in another month or 2. So in contrast to the previous store that said they did not want my business, this one is telling me to stop back in. After meeting up with a buddy to watch the US gain a tie against England inthe World Cup (have you ever seen a weaker goal at any level, than what England gave up?)I went to yet another card shop. Side note; how many guys can go to 3 card shops in 1 day, and find vintage stuff at each? This shop keeps a team bag behind the counter with my name on it. These are for cards in such bad shape, they do not want to put in their cases. They sell them tome dirt cheap. He also mentioned that he had bought a collection recently and although some stuff I probably would have been intterested in had already been sold, there was a stack he felt I should at least look at. I passedon a few Goudeys priced at $7.50 each and even a Diamond Star in better shape at $20 I think, as I had them already. I did grab a 1941 Playball marked $4, a T-206 marked $5 and a 1950 Bowman Bill Rigney marked $1. They then handed me "my stack" from the team bag, that coontained mainly 1972 Superstars, but was 11 cards from 1965 - 1974. The only non-HOFers was a 1965 Freehan (FOOT fav), 1972 Rose IA and 1973 Munson. The price for all of it, including the T-206, Layball and Bowman, $5 total! Turns out the Bowman and Playball were both upgrades (from horrible to poor!) and the T-206 was a PolarBear back and I did not have that variation (not that I am trying for variation backs like Chuck. I barely have 1/2 a base set). This dealer requiresme to give him back the team bag, as it has my name on it, and this is their reminder to put stuff in it for the next time I am in the shop. This store is Comics Archives, and a couple of months ago, he opened up on a Sunday(they are only open Tuesday - Saturday) for a private showing for the FOOTgroup, as Mark, Ron, Mike Mroz and I all stopped in due to the invitation extended to me. So the contrast of being told a store does not want my business, to another store telling me to stop back in a month to a store that keeps a bag with my name on it behind the counter, and will allow a private showing on a day they are normally closed. I guess you really can't please all the people all the time. Mike Rich ================= To: , Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 12:25:02 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners I agree with Brian...get all your card collecting buddies together...stop by the Jerk Store, just to say hello...and maybe talk about how none of you are not ever going to buy from that store...then move on to the second store...if only we had an OBC gathering up there...then we really could have some fun with it. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; mikesportsfan@aol.com From: familytoad@comcast.net Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 09:14:31 -0700 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners This is an easy one.... Store #1 - Buh Bye! Store#2 - Frequent this store, bring your OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 5:41 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners For those that just read my previous message, you may understand why I left the previous shop and then decided to go find another store. I went to a shop only 3 or 4 miles away. I stop by every few months, as they sometimes find beat up and/or oddball cards they set aside for me to look at. I was ableto pull out a stack of 1966 and prior superstar cards that were beat up. I probably overpaid at about 10% of book for duplicates, but I was in the mood to get something after the previous bad ecounter. I got a 1964 Mantle, 1951 Bowman Campanella, 1953 Topps Wilhelm (upgraded the one I had), 1962 Topps Clemente, 1966 Aaron, 1961 Topps Banks and Drysdale, 1956 Ford (I need todig out that set to see if this is a variation I need), a Red Heart Yost, anda couple other cards for $100. The dealer told me he would keep looking for stuff and I should stop back in another month or 2. So in contrast to the previous store that said they did not want my business, this one is telling to stop back in. After meeting up with a buddy to watch the US gain a tie against England in the World Cup (have you ever seen a weaker goal at any level, than what England gave up?)I went to yet another card shop. Side note; how many guys can go to 3 card shops in 1 day, and find vintage stuff at each? This shop keeps a team bag behind the counter with my name on it. These are for cards in such bad shape, they do not want to put in their cases. Theysell them to me dirt cheap. He also mentioned that he had bought a collection recently and although some stuff I probably would have been intterested in already been sold, there was a stack he felt I should at least look at. I passed on a few Goudeys priced at $7.50 each and even a Diamond Star in better shape at $20 I think, as I had them already. I did grab a 1941 Playball marked $4, a T-206 marked $5 and a 1950 Bowman Bill Rigney marked $1. They then handed me "my stack" from the team bag, that coontained mainly 1972 Superstars, but was 11 cards from 1965 - 1974. The only non-HOFers was a 1965 Freehan (FOOT fav), 1972 Rose IA and 1973 Munson. The price for all of it, including the T-206, Layball and Bowman, $5 total! Turns out the Bowman and Playball were both upgrades (from horrible to poor!) and the T-206 was a Polar Bear back and I did not have that variation (not that I am trying for variation backs like Chuck. I barely have 1/2 a base set). This dealer requires me to give him back the team bag, as it has my name on it, and this is their reminder to put stuff in it for the next time I am in the shop. This store is Comics Archives, and a couple of months ago, he opened up on a Sunday (they are only open Tuesday - Saturday) for a private showing for the FOOT group, as Mark, Ron, Mike Mroz and I all stopped in due to the invitation extended to me. So the contrast of being told a store does not want my business, to another store telling me to stop back in a month to a store that keeps a bag with my name on it behind the counter, and will allow a private showing on a day they are normally closed. I guess you really can't please the people all the time. Mike Rich The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:52:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? From: RJNeufeldt@aol.com Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:50:06 EDT Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? To: Brockhattox@cs.com Brock, Thanks for the email. From a customer's standpoint that was a strange response. The owner was very dictatorial and somewhat rude. However, as an owner, their actually are customers that I want to tell Nicely and Respectively that I will no longer bother with their business-will explain further if needed. Good luck collecting, ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:53:46 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners Content-Language: en I agree with the sentiments of the group, his loss not yours. You comment about ever seeing "a weaker goal"? As many of you know, I have been a FIFA referee for about 16 years. Years ago I was doing a High School game as the center ref. A shot was taken from about the top of the penalty box, the keeper attempted to bunch it up & over the cross bar. Instead it went straight up in the air. As the keeper turned to see where it went, the ball came straight back down, hit the keeper on the top of the head & bounced into the goal. Funniest goal I have ever seen. In a message dated 6/13/2010 8:43:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: For those that just read my previous message, you may understand why I left the previous shop and then decided to go find another store. I went to a shop only 3 or 4 miles away. I stop by every few months, as they sometimes find old beat up and/or oddball cards they set aside for me to look at. I was able to pull out a stack of 1966 and prior superstar cards that were beat up. I probably overpaid at about 10% of book for duplicates, but I was in the mood to get something after the previous bad ecounter. I got a 1964 Mantle, 1951 Bowman Campanella, 1953 Topps Wilhelm (upgraded the one I had), 1962 Topps Clemente, 1966 Aaron, 1961 Topps Banks and Drysdale, 1956 Ford (I need to dig out that set to see if this is a variation I need), a Red Heart Yost, and a couple other cards for $100. The dealer told me he wouldkeep looking for stuff and I should stop back in another month or 2. So in contrast to the previous store that said they did not want my business, this ne is telling me to stop back in. After meeting up with a buddy to watch the US gain a tie against England in the World Cup (have you ever seen a weaker goal at any level, than what England gave up?)I went to yet another card shop. Side note; how many guys can go to 3 card shops in 1 day, and find vintage stuff at each? This shop keeps a team bag behind the counter with my name on it. These are for cards in such bad shape, they do not want to put in their cases. They sell them to me dirt cheap. He also mentioned that he had bought a collection recently and although some stuff I probably would have been intterested in had already been sold, there was a stack he felt I should at least look at. I passed on a few Goudeys priced at $7.50 each and even a Diamond Star in better shape at $20 I think, as I had them already. I did grab a 1941 Playball marked $4, a T-206 marked $5 and a 1950 Bowman Bill Rigney marked $1. Theythen handed me "my stack" from the team bag, that coontained mainly 1972 Supe rstars, but was 11 cards from 1965 - 1974. The only non-HOFers was a 1965 Freehan (FOOT fav), 1972 Rose IA and 1973 Munson. The price for all of it, including the T-206, Layball and Bowman, $5 total! Turns out the Bowman and Playball were both upgrades (from horrible to poor!) and the T-206 was a Polar Bear back and I did not have that variation (not that I am trying for variation backs like Chuck. I barely have 1/2 a base set). This dealer requires me to give him back the team bag, as it has my name on it, and this their reminder to put stuff in it for the next time I am in the shop. This store is Comics Archives, and a couple of months ago, he opened up on a Sunday (they are only open Tuesday - Saturday) for a private showing for the FOOT group, as Mark, Ron, Mike Mroz and I all stopped in due to the invitation extended to me. So the contrast of being told a store does not want my business, to another store telling me to stop back in a month to a store that keeps a bag with my name on it behind the counter, and will allow a private showing on a day they are normally closed. I guess you really can't please all the people all the time. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:24:34 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Dis 'n Dat and a few freebies.... Well, it looks like I'm starting to wake up. Took 18 months after we moved for me to start unpacking my treasures, you don't want to rush into these things. Mumsy got up late this morning, took a look at the dining room table, and announced she now knows what an LSD flashback is like. I KNOW I am on the right track now.. Thought I would do something kind to my body this past week.signed up for an Over-55 mixed softball team, to have fun and get some exercise, with the goal of having our team make the BC Senior Games this Fall on Vancouver Island. I actually wasn't too bad after all those years off, made a couple of B. Robby type snags, and it was obvious I was destined to be a star. The hitting was bad, timing there was way off. A lot of fun, until the ol' arm started to hurt and then quit. Trip to the Doc, good work Grant, you have completely torn your rotator cuff. My season is over. Ah well, it gives me more time to play with something harmless like BB cards. I'm not likely to get too many paper cuts with MY cards. The first box I pulled out had some NFL stuff in it, if anybody can use these, let me -'55 Bowman (I think) 9 13 28 49 51 (condition so-so)..9 is Stonesifer if that helps -'59 Topps (I think) 28 57 94..28 is Cothren -'64 Philadelphia- 83 Peaks P.S. To Mike Rich..the guy can go pound sand. ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 15:26:40 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: 1982 Fleer set OBCers -- I have a 1982 Fleer set, but for some reason the Ripken is gone. I either traded it away, or packed it away somewhere else. I don't really have a need for the set, so if anybody wants it, let me know and I'll send it your way. I'll even include a K-Mart set since it's in the same binder - what a deal! I don't want to break it up, because if nobody can use it, I'll sell it on Ebay. It will be a lot harder to sell on Ebay if it's missing more cards. Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:49:29 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: I'm backkkk ...(I think!) Hey folks... Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put me back on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stack of 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you are the OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday game. I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin, so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:37:18 EDT To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm backkkk ...(I think!) To save a lot of e-malis, once you are back on teh National server, just take a look at the archived e-mails for the last 2 months. That will bring you up to speed in a hurry. See you in Baltimore. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:48:12 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners Lots of reaction and, except for Roger Neufelt, seems like everyone thinks the dealer handled this poorly and I should just forget abut this store. Thanks for the comments. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 22:56:27 EDT To: mikesportsfan@aol.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners I don't think Roger was responding to your situation, he was just saying that there were some customers he had that he had to ask to leave. Why don't you email him at rjneufeldt@aol.com and ask him about the situations? He is very highly thought of in OBC land.... ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:53:39 +0000 (UTC) To: mikesportsfan From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? Wow. I am shocked to read this. No doubt, I would choose not toreturn. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "mikesportsfan" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:18:39 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] How would you react to this? I believe I sent out a ramble last month about my stopping by a relatively new store that opened up and picking up about 1/2 a set of 1953 Glendale Tigers. It was not my first time at the shop and there are 2 owners. One I have known for years, as he has had multiple stores in multiple locations foryears. Sometimes he has a few cards I need. While prices are not great, they are sometimes reasonable and I have picked up a few cards now and again from him. When I got the Glendales, the other partner was there, who I do not know at all. I told him I was looking for old and oddball and he brught out a monster box of old Tigers cards. I found the Glandales in there. Theyhad old stickers on there from some store or dealer, they had acquired them from, YEARS before. I made an offer to the guy, essentially offering to take them all for a 1/3 discount off the sticker price on them. He said he was not sure of the value and thought about holding them until his other partner was in and they would call me (he already had my name and number from another stack of prewar that he was not even sure what sets they were from). He then went on the computer and checked current selling prices for Glendales. He said there was very little that had been selling recently or were for sale. He made a counter offer on the Glendales and we eventually settled on a price. Yesterday I stopped by for the first time since getting the Glendales. I wanted to look at their old Boxing (Topps Ringside and Leaf, although I feel the prices are too high). He asked if I was the guy that bought the old Tigers, and I said yes. He then told me that he sold them too cheaply, they were worth more and he would "pass" on selling me or showing me the boxing cards. I told him, I was not aware that they were worth that much more (I didfeel I got a good deal, but did not think I had raped him). I then asked,what that meant. "Did it mean, he was not interested in my business anymore?" His reply was, "Yes, I do not want your business anymore and you can now leave". He is an owner of the store, and negotiated the price with me. Did I do anything wrong? Is this absurd? Should I try and go back when the other partner is there or just stay away from the store? Mike Rich ================= To: , Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2010 23:02:23 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners Re Roger N, I don't think Roger was thinking of Mike or anyone in OBC -- he has always been a good OBC dealer as far as I know. But I'm sure everyone who has ever had a business of any kind has had customers who were not worth the trouble. To m, the point is that any halfway sensible shop owner ought to be able to see that Mike would be one of his best customers, not one of his worst. This guy is obviously a first-degree ignoramus. From: brockhattox@cs.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 9:56 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Now this is different treatment by store owners I don't think Roger was responding to your situation, he was just saying that there were some customers he had that he had to ask to leave. Why don't you email him at rjneufeldt@aol.com and ask him about the situations? He is very highly thought of in OBC land.... ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2010 12:57:36 -0500 From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Fwd: OBC map I don't know if anyone ever did this before so I am. I am curious about where everyone lives so I am building a map based on the obc directory. Let me know if you like it so far. This map is NOT public so your info is safe. Text/cell: 256 585 4329 Sent from my iPhone Begin forwarded message: > From: > Date: June 14, 2010 12:53:20 PM CDT > To: "Srittenberg@gmail.com" > Subject: OBC map > http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?msa=0&msid=110478059173545600361.0004890082b72a4febfb3&ie=UTF8&ll=40.010787,-83.759766&spn=24.979911,39.418945&z=5 ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:47:32 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Banged up Hello All, It was nice to get a note from Sal, I know how he feels as I have been way out of the loop this year and no matter how hard Itry I just can't seem to get things turned around. I had been hopingto make good on my plans to get to Baltimore this year one way or another. I knew it would be a bit more expensive since it would be much more than a 4 - 6 hour drive away like Chicago or Cleveland. I was counting on a little stash I had saved up to make the trip possible. That came crashing down today (real bad pun)as my daughter Kendall had a caraccident with my car today and pretty much knocked it out of commission. She is physically well but quite shaken up (she rear-ended an SUV with my Firebird), she may have something wrong with her wrist that we might have to get checked out later today. I can't sleep because I keep thinking about what could of happened if she was going faster or someone crashed into her, or whatever - I guess it must be a Dad thing. Anyway, the funds I saved up will have to be used to get me a new used vehicle and will effectively put an end to my plans tomake it to Baltimore this year. I'm bummed but grateful at the same time and since I can't sleep I thought I'd just let you guys know. BEWELL!!! REGARDS ------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:49:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm backkkk ...(I think!) Hey folks... Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put meback on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stackof 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you arethe OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin, so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Baltimore. Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... Hey folks... Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put meback on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stackof 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you arethe OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin, so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Baltimore. Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 14:33:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: Re: Banged up I'm deeply grateful and relieved that Kendall is okay. I've had a couple much-too-near misses with my kids, and I know exactly what you mean about not being able to get the "what-ifs" to stop playing in your head. Makes us realize how much we have to be grateful for! I'm sorry to hear your National plans got wiped out, not to mention your Firebird. But I'm saying a prayer of thanks for Kendall's life and your intact family this morning. Mike R-W --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, talbot1@... wrote: > Hello All, > It was nice to get a note from Sal, I know how he feels as I have been way out of the loop this year and no matter how hardI try I just can't seem to get things turned around. I had been hoping to make good on my plans to get to Baltimore this year one way or another. I knew it would be a bit more expensive since it would be much more than a 4 - 6 hour drive away like Chicago or Cleveland. I was counting on a little stash I had saved up to make the trip possible. That came crashing down today (real bad pun)as my daughter Kendall had a car accident with my car today and pretty much knocked it out of commission. She is physically well but quite shaken up (she rear-ended an SUV with my Firebird), she may have something wrong with her wrist that we might have to get checked out later today. I can't sleep because I keep thinking about what could of happened if she was going faster or someone crashed into her, or whatever - I guess it must be a Dad thing. > Anyway, the funds I saved up will have to be used to get me a new used vehicle and will effectively put an end to my plans to make it to Baltimore this year. I'm bummed but grateful at the same time and since I can't sleep I thought I'd just let you guys know. BE > REGARDS ------------------- MARK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ChicoD1@... > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:49:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm backkkk ...(I think!) > Hey folks... > Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put me back on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. > Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stack of 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. > I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. > On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you are the OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday > I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin,so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Baltimore. > Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... > Sal > Hey folks... > Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put me back on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. > Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stack of 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. > I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. > On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you are the OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday > I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin,so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Baltimore. > Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... > Sal ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 11:18:07 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Dahms Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Banged up Mark, I too am deeply releived that Kendall is ok, a year or so ago my then17 year old step-daughter was in a bad car accident with a van.....got broad sided with my 1 year old grandson in the vehicle....cherokee was totalled but besides a fractured wrist they both were fine.....the what if's nevergo away and I have to force myself sometimes to remember that she is now 19 and I can't protect her from everything. be well my freind and although I am not going to be able to make nationals this year either, I am already starting to put together a stash for next year. John Dahms --- On Tue, 6/15/10, mikerw7 wrote: From: mikerw7 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Banged up To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, June 15, 2010, 10:33 AM I'm deeply grateful and relieved that Kendall is okay. I've had a couple much-too-near misses with my kids, and I know exactly what you mean about notbeing able to get the "what-ifs" to stop playing in your head. Makes us realize how much we have to be grateful for! I'm sorry to hear your National plans got wiped out, not to mention your Firebird. But I'm saying a prayer of thanks for Kendall's life and your intact family this morning. Mike R-W --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, talbot1@... wrote: > Hello All, > =C3=82=C3=82=C3=82=C3=82 It was nice to get a note from Sal, I know how he feels as I have been way out of the loop this year and no matter how hard I try I just can't seem to get things turned around.=C3=82 I had been hoping to make good on my plans to get to Baltimore this year one way or another.=C3=82 I knew it would be a bit more expensive since it would be much more than a 4 - 6 hour drive away like Chicago or Cleveland.=C3=82 I was counting on a little stash I had savedup to make the trip possible.=C3=82 That came crashing down today (real bad pun)=C3=82as my daughter Kendall had a car accident with my car today and pretty much knocked it out of commission.=C3=82 She is physically well but quite shaken up (she rear-ended an SUV with my Firebird), she may have something wrong with her wrist that we might have to get checked out later today.=C3=82 I can't sleep because I keep thinking about what could of happened if she was going faster or someone crashed into her, whatever - I guess it must be a Dad thing. > =C3=82=C3=82=C3=82=C3=82 Anyway, the funds I saved up will have to be used to get me a new used vehicle and will effectivelyput an end to my plans to make it to Baltimore this year.=C3=82 I'm bummed but grateful at the same time and since I can't sleep I thought I'd just let you guys know.=C3=82 BE WELL!!! > REGARDS ------------------- MARK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ChicoD1@... > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2010 7:49:29 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] I'm backkkk ...(I think!) > =C3=82 > =C3=82 > Hey folks... > Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put me back on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. > Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stack of 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. > I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. > On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you are the OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday > I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin,so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Baltimore. > Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... > Sal > =C3=82 > Hey folks... > Well things seem to have finally settled into a holding pattern as opposed to the downhill skiing I've been racing the past 2 years. Whoever is in charge of the mail servers, especially the national one, can you please put me back on them. The plan is still to get to Baltimore, hell or high water. > Belated thanks BTW to Lynn Miller to kept me in cardboard with a nice stack of 77s. Thanks as always for remembering me Lynn. > I have to clean up my list a little bit then I'll send it out as an attachment. I haven't had a chance to research a free website to hold the list. > On the National front, if it isn't being done already, I'll be putting together the contact spreadsheet. For those of you who haven't been to a National with OBC folks, this is the coolest thing you will do this year, I promise that. And I can't wait to see some of my old OBC pals (yes Kent, you are the OLD one!). I'll be doing some research to see when the Birds are in town. There is one vendor that is supposed to be giving out tickets to the Wednesday > I can't tell you how much I miss this group. Circumstances just made it tough for me, but the friendships last a lifetime. Dupes box is pretty thin,so please don't bother sending me anything. We'll do some swapping at the National. Need to know what the hotel of choice is and who's heading to Baltimore. > Hope everyone is doing great and its time for me to shake the dust off and get back into the swing of things... > Sal ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 19:48:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Chris" Subject: Need info About 1965 Topps Transfers As some of you know, I am OBC's "Card Info Guy." While the job mostly entails telling visitors to the group website that their cards are either reprints or nearly worthless overproduced cardboard (1990 may have been 20 years ago...but it doesn't necessarily make your Donruss cards valuable at all). However, there are some times when I get a question that can't be answered quickly. Therefore, I may need to see if the knowledge base of my OBC brethren will help me. I got a question about 1965 Topps Transfers. This collector has two different Ron Hunt cards...one lists him as a shortstop and the other has him (correctly) identified as a 2nd baseman. OBC's checklist Central doesn't show avariation...neither does my (older) SCD "Big Book." An email to Bob Lemke to ask about it gets me a response that it's the first he's ever heard of the error/variation. Interesting. Now, I know the Transfers were included along with packs of three series of'65 Topps cards. The hobby guides state that they were issued 24 per series, with a total of 72 cards. Is it possible that Hunt's card showed him as a SS but corrected in a later series? Finally, for those who have them, is your Ron Hunt transfer showing him as a SS or 2B? I'd like to see how this plays out. Take care, ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:06:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "John" Subject: comerica park directions please!!!!!!!! hey fellow foote members....my father and I are heading to the game thursday afternoon and I am trying to make this as painless as possible for all involved traffic, road constuction and parking..if anyone has any info on my best route to the stadium I would be so appreciative. will be heading east on 94 ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 21:57:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Question I was wondering what the difference is in 2003 Bowman Heritage. The backs of some of them say signature and the others do not. The signature statementis on the back inside the baseball. I looked in the big Beckett but could not find a description. Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:07:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Chris" Subject: New Topps Variation Discovered Today, my Vintage Sports Card Blog entry covers a newly discovered variation about the 1965 Topps Transfer Ron Hunt. Here's a link, where details and an image can be seen: http://thevintagesportscards.blogspot.com/2010/06/q-new-errorvariation-found.html For those collecting the set...which version do you have? It hasn't been determined yet if there is a scarce version. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:40:46 -0400 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: quick ebay question I barely sell on ebay anymore and have not done a best offer sale ever...I had a dealer complain that ebay automatically accepted the offer I made without his knowing it (although there was a 7 hour time lag)...can you set anebay auction up to automatically accept any best offer? ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 18:03:04 -0400 To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question Funny you should send this note. I just, for the first time in a LONG time, did a best offer by (for my daughter), ten minutes ago. It was a tote bag that said $20 or best offer. So, I bid $13. Got an immediate rejection. Tried 14 and 15--the 15 was accepted. So apparently you can set up a best offer with a minimum acceptance. It had a pay now, and my daughter, being 15 and impatient, wanted it ASAP, so I made the payment not 30 seconds after the bid was accepted. And, while I'm typing this, can you please tell me what has happened to our Phillies bats?? Seems like ever since that brouhaha about the binoculars in the outfield they have hit anemically. ---- Wite3@aol.com wrote: > I barely sell on ebay anymore and have not done a best offer sale ever...I had a dealer complain that ebay automatically accepted the offer I made without his knowing it (although there was a 7 hour time lag)...can you set an ebay auction up to automatically accept any best offer? > Joshua ================= To: , Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 17:49:24 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question Hi Joshua, I have never heard of that feature, and I doubt it exists. Sounds like he's trying to pull a fast one on you-- From: Wite3@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:40 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question I barely sell on ebay anymore and have not done a best offer sale ever...I had a dealer complain that ebay automatically accepted the offer I made without his knowing it (although there was a 7 hour time lag)...can you set anebay auction up to automatically accept any best offer? ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:36:18 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question Content-Disposition: inline When a seller lists an item with Best Offer there is a place for the seller to indicate whether eBay should "reject any offer under $... or accept any offer over $... Most likely the seller didn't check to see what pricehe had set for eBay to automatically accept. His mistake, his problem, not buyers nor eBay. Artery Clearing Secret Nobel Prize Winning discovery cuts artery plaque by incredible 50%. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4c196042e496a436420st05vuc ================= To: "'Tim Newcomb'" , Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:08:41 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question I seem to remember from selling that you can set up your buy it now to automatically accept based on a pre-defined price. Sounds like he got a bit careless when placing the auction. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tim Newcomb Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:49 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question Hi Joshua, I have never heard of that feature, and I doubt it exists. Sounds like he's trying to pull a fast one on you-- From: Wite3@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:40 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question I barely sell on ebay anymore and have not done a best offer sale ever...I had a dealer complain that ebay automatically accepted the offer I made without his knowing it (although there was a 7 hour time lag)...can you set an ebay auction up to automatically accept any best offer? ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 23:56:04 EDT To: obcbobd@gmail.com, apspr@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question Content-Language: en Yes Josh, they set the min they will accept as an offer, then if it fits, it's like buy it now... In a message dated 6/16/2010 8:09:58 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: I seem to remember from selling that you can set up your buy it now to automatically accept based on a pre-defined price. Sounds like he got a bit careless when placing the auction. From: OBC-Ramblings@ OBC-Ramblin OBC-Ramblings@ OBC-Rambl OBC-Ramblin OBC-On Behalf Of Tim Newcomb Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 6:49 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@ OBC-Ram OBC-Ramblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question Hi Joshua, I have never heard of that feature, and I doubt it exists. Sounds like he's trying to pull a fast one on you-- From: _Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2010 2:40 PM To: _OBC-Ramblings@OBC-RamblingOBC_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] quick ebay question I barely sell on ebay anymore and have not done a best offer sale ever...I had a dealer complain that ebay automatically accepted the offer I made without his knowing it (although there was a 7 hour time lag)...can you set an ebay auction up to automatically accept any best offer? ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 03:52:21 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Latest library additions Two books have been added to the Codere Sports Library: Mickey Mantle: America's Prodigal Son by Tony Castro Ted Williams: The Biography of an American Hero by Leigh Montville Looking forward to reading both of these. I've actually read precious little specifically about Mantle. As for Williams, I recall reading "My Turn At Bat" - his autobiography - when I was about 11 or 12. I also recently read a great book about The Gashouse Gang - the 1934 St Louis Cardinals, which for obvious reasons concentrated mostly on the exploitsof the Dean brothers. A fun, easy read. Next up? Well, I have several books on my Amazon Wish List, all of which I'm sure I'llget round to eventually including: Miracle Ball: My Hunt for the Shot Heard 'Round the World Miracle Collapse: The 1969 Chicago Cubs Stan the Man: The Life and Times of Stan Musial The Last Hero: A Life of Henry Aaron Roger Maris: Baseball's Reluctant Hero Cardboard Gods: An All-American Tale Told Through Baseball Cards Big Hair and Plastic Grass: A Funky Ride Through Baseball and America in the Swinging '70s Al Kaline: The Biography of a Tigers Icon The 1972 Detroit Tigers: Billy Martin and the Half-Game Champs The 1945 Detroit Tigers: Nine Old Men and One Young Left Arm Win It All Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:20:05 -0400 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Fwd: GrandSlamBids.com Opening Not sure how many of you got this but the two guys who run this site are hobby greats and completely honest. I helped beta test this site and it worked really well. As an alternative to ebay, it might be worthwhile. Check itout when you get a chance. PS I have no monetary interest in this at all...just friends with the guys who run it. -----Original Message----- From: admin@grandslambids.com To: wite3@aol.com Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 11:56 am Subject: GrandSlamBids.com Opening Fellow Hobbyists, It is with great pleasure that we announce the opening http://www.GrandSlamBids.com full, live, trial period. GrandSlamBids.com is a self service auction site for sports & non-sports cards & collectibles created with the hobbyist in mind.This trial period will last at least 45 days during which we will be identifyingany remaining issues with the software. After that we will close it for a shorttime to fix any identified issues and then open for good. Please make no mistakethat this is a normal precaution and the site is fully functional right this minute. Some of the differences between Grand Slam Bids, and other self service sites, that make us a better solution are: 1) On line payments are not mandatory but are optional. 2) Both sellers and buyers will be able to leave feedback. 3) All bidders will be seen in each auction after it is over. 4) Far less fraud. Think of being part of an online community, not perfect,but very good. 5) Fakes/reprints and cutouts will not be in the regular card sections. 6) Hobbyists that understand the business will run the site. 7) Much more reasonable fee schedule. 8) Focused on only sports collectibles, cards and other non-sports cards. 9) Bulk auto-lister for high volume sellers. 10) Built in sniping software. During this trial period, our already affordable fees have been significantly discounted. It costs only .03 to list and no other fees are charged at the end of the listing unless the item sells. Additionally, the most we will collect on "End of Auction" fees is 1.5%; less, if the item sells for over $250. Of course there is never any site charge to something. You can view the full fee schedule here: http://www.GrandSlamBids.com/site_fees.php. With your help, this endeavor will benefit all of us. Please contact us at admin@GrandSlamBids.com and let us know how we can improve or help in any way. http://www.GrandSlamBids.com ================= To: , Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:23:52 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: GrandSlamBids.com Opening I personally am thrilled by this...ebay can't jerk everyone around anymore. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2010 16:20:05 -0400 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Fwd: GrandSlamBids.com Opening Not sure how many of you got this but the two guys who run this site are hobby greats and completely honest. I helped beta test this site and it worked really well. As an alternative to ebay, it might be worthwhile. Check it out when you get a chance. PS I have no monetary interest in this at all...just friends with the guys who run it. -----Original Message----- From: admin@grandslambids.com To: wite3@aol.com Sent: Thu, Jun 17, 2010 11:56 am Subject: GrandSlamBids.com Opening Fellow Hobbyists, It is with great pleasure that we announce the opening http://www.GrandSlamBids.com full, live, trial period. GrandSlamBids.com is a self service auction site for sports & non-sports cards & collectibles created with the hobbyist in mind.This trial period will last at least 45 days during which we will be identifyingany remaining issues with the software. After that we will close it for a shorttime to fix any identified issues and then open for good. Please make no mistakethat this is a normal precaution and the site is fully functional right this minute. Some of the differences between Grand Slam Bids, and other self service sites, that make us a better solution are: 1) On line payments are not mandatory but are optional. 2) Both sellers and buyers will be able to leave feedback. 3) All bidders will be seen in each auction after it is over. 4) Far less fraud. Think of being part of an online community, not perfect,but very good. 5) Fakes/reprints and cutouts will not be in the regular card sections. 6) Hobbyists that understand the business will run the site. 7) Much more reasonable fee schedule. 8) Focused on only sports collectibles, cards and other non-sports cards. 9) Bulk auto-lister for high volume sellers. 10) Built in sniping software. During this trial period, our already affordable fees have been significantly discounted. It costs only .03 to list and no other fees are charged at the end of the listing unless the item sells. Additionally, the most we will collect on "End of Auction" fees is 1.5%; less, if the item sells for over $250. Of course there is never any site charge to something. You can view the full fee schedule here: http://www.GrandSlamBids.com/site_fees.php. With your help, this endeavor will benefit all of us. Please contact us at admin@GrandSlamBids.com and let us know how we can improve or help in any way. http://www.GrandSlamBids.com The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 10:02:45 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: World Cup OBCers -- I'm not much of a soccer fan, but I watched that game today since I had themorning off. It was a great rally by the US, only to be squashed by a horrible call by a referee on the goal that would have won it. Is there any soccer fans in OBC that can tell me why that didn't count?!? What a disgrace of a call...that was WAY worse than the Jim Joyce Perfect Game call. At least that didn't affect the outcome of a game and, ultimately, a country's chance to move on... Take Care, ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:32:05 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] World Cup USA won that game. Ref was very very poor throughout the full game. Algeriafor the win against England tonight!!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ----- Forwarded Message ---- From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, June 18, 2010 6:02:45 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] World Cup OBCers -- I'm not much of a soccer fan, but I watched that game today since I had themorning off. It was a great rally by the US, only to be squashed by a horrible call by a referee on the goal that would have won it. Is there any soccer fans in OBC that can tell me why that didn't count?!? What a disgrace of a call...that was WAY worse than the Jim Joyce Perfect Game call. At least that didn't affect the outcome of a game and, ultimately, a country'schance to move on... Take Care, ================= To: , Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 10:00:16 -0400 From: "senthi" Subject: HAppy FAthers day all ================= To: Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 16:48:56 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:Fw: [OBC-Ramblings] World Cup Hail Slovenia! Even if it was a little suspect. George Vrechek (50% Slovenian) ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 18:13:44 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Pensacola Get-Together OBCers -- A few OBCers managed to find a local watering hole today and talk baseball for a little while - myself, John Storman, Brock Hattox, and Steve and GinaRittenberg. There was supposed to be a card show in town, but Brock scouted it out before we got there and said if we wanted comic books, check itout -- if we wanted cards, we might as well go to McGuire's Pub. The decision was an easy one! While scarfing down some chips covered in blue cheese (a dieter's paradise), Brock handed me my first 1952 Topps high number for my Cubs/Red Sox quest! He asked me how many I had, so looking at the card, I said "one." Steve managed to find something I'd never seen before - a 1955 Bowman Eddie Miksis with a strange back. It almost looks like it was cut from the boxof cards it came in. Has anybody seen that before? We topped it all off with a stroll around the Naval Air Museum -- a very cool place if you haven't been there before. I love WWII airplanes - if money were no object, I'd own a B-17, a DC-3, Corsair, or a P-51. Unfortunately, money is indeed an object, so I just mentally park my planes at the museum for now... A great day out indeed - thanks for making the trip, guys! If anybody gets to the Gulf Coast any time soon, give us a call. If we're not cleaning oil off our beach, we'll come meet you for some fun! Take Care, ================= Date: Sat, 19 Jun 2010 22:32:14 EDT To: jeffsackmann@gmail.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: lots and lots of cards... Hi Jeff! I've forwarded your note to the OBC listserver. Hopefully you'll be contacted shortly by an interested OBC'er. If you don't get any hits after three days, LMK and maybe I can convince the wife to buy me the cards for Father's Day. Hope all is well, Ken M In a message dated 6/19/2010 12:35:54 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, jeffsackmann@gmail.com writes: Hi Ken, Long time ... hope all is well! I'm hoping you can help me find an OBC home for a ton of cards... I sent a similar message to Joe Isaac the other day, but never heard back; maybe my message got filtered to his spam folder or something. Anyway... I'm moving, drastically cleaning house, all of that, and in the process am getting rid of a ton of cards. Sadly, the majority are not typical OBC fare -- though there are probably a thousand or more 70s Topps cards, maybe two or three thousand. Even though it's not in the OBC sweet spot, I was hoping you could forward this message to one of the OBC listservs to see if someone would be interested. (Unless you're interested, in which case we can skip that step!) More details: I've got a huge group of cards -- six monster boxes, I think. A lot of it is pieces of sets between about 1974 and 1986 or '87. I had amassed all that stuff in the service of my through-the-mail autograph collection, meaning I was buying sets and and big lots and only sending out the ones for players I targeted. That leaves most of the rest, including most of the stars. The rest is a bunch of early- to mid-aughts Topps and Bowman -- I think there's a couple years worth of Topps Total, as well as a ton of Bowmans because I was trying to get as many prospects as possible. Anyway, I am giving these away. All I'd ask is that you pay me back for shipping costs, which ... guesses on six monster boxes? Even media mail, that's gotta be $100, right? I'd love to find these a good home. Get Into a Better Business School: http://www.gmathacks.com Follow me on Twitter: http://twitter.com/jeffsackmann ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 03:38:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "distelrath66" Subject: in the hospital... I was in the hospital for about a week and a half starting two weeks ago.One concerned member of our group was wondering whether or not I had received his package. I had not. I do not know what they did with my mail while I was in there, but once my caregiver shows up on Monday we will look for it and I will post the thank you's. I apologize if you have sent me something and I have not yet said thanks. I assure you it is not me trying to be rude. Thank you for understanding thank you OBC! Ryan Distelrath ================= To: obc ramblings Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 06:37:56 -0400 From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Happy Father's Day To all the Dads out there in OBC land, Happy Father's Day! Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= To: obc ramblings Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 16:26:14 -0400 From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Best Father's Day Gift Ever! Even if it was a day early... I normally watch my almost 2-year-old daughter on Saturdays and Sundays while my wife works a 12-hour shift. So imagine my surprise when my wife woke me yesterday morning and told me that her mom would be here soon. When I asked what she meant, she replied "Well, somebody's gotta watch Emily while you go meet Dale Murphy." Turns out Murph was doing a fund-raising luncheon in Asheville, a little over an hour away, and she had bought me a ticket. I didn't think it was possible, but I think I came back an even bigger Murphy fan! What an awesome guy. There were close to 200 people there and Dale took the time to pose for a photo with each person (the team is sending them via email, so hope to have it in the next day or so!!!) and then sign for any and everybody. He personally thanked every person and was a class act all around. If you ever get a chance to hear Murphy I highly recommend it. He talked for about 30 minutes and did a quick Q&A session, but I had to share this story with the group. Murphy still goes to spring training with the Braves and the first year after he retired he found himself talking to new Brave Greg Maddux. Murphy told Maddux "I hated facing you, I never knew what was coming. I was 2-for-24 lifetime against you." Without missing a beat, Maddux says "You were 2-for-26." Here's a pretty nice write-up in the Asheville paper: http:// Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jun 2010 22:22:46 -0500 To: Thanks , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Pensacola / Montgomery trip thanks This weekend my wife and I left town since we have zero time together now that our daughter moved back in. I told my wife that there was a mall show in Pensacola, where she has family. We made it down to the Gulf on Friday and over to Pensacola on Saturaday. In the meantime, Brock Hattox had scoped out the show and learned that all the card dealers had cancelled. I was shocked but Brock and Geno had already planned that the main event would take place at an Irish pub nearby. What a place! Even at 1 pm on a Saturday it was packed. The menu had more than one person could eat in a lifetime. Brock order a heart-attack on a platter. I think the formal name was "blue cheese and chips". My wife and I each had sandwiches suitable for two meals. In fact, I ate half at lunch time and the other half at dinner time. Brock, as usual, had something really cool for me and I could not reciprocate. This time it was a salutation exhibit of Mel Ott. Wow. I think its easily the nicest card in my set now. Geno didn't bring me any cards but brought something better - an OBCer that I hadn't met yet. Now I get to cross John Storman off of my wantlist of people to meet. :-) Geno did bring some British cigarette cards and started my wife on a couple of sets, one with a Shakespeare theme and another with a Dickens theme. I doubt she cares if the sets are every completed but I do. :-) If anyone actually thinks they have some of these, I'll make a wantlist for her. hahaha. I have some British cigarette cards too. Turns out they were in my bag that I took with me during the trip but I didn't realize it. I'll had hoped there might be some that the other guys wanted but now I'll put out a message on the wantlist server instead with these as all "availables". After lunch, we received a free guided tour of the Navy Air Musueum by a certified Air Force pilot, Geno Wagner. I learned a LOT more about the planes on exhibit from Geno than I ever possibly could have done otherwise. I also learned that John Storman is into old movie serials and the Civil War so I've already asked for help to learn more on those topics. Two things I love about OBC are that its about more than the cards and that everyone has a cool story and fascinating interests outside of cards. On our way back from Pensacola, John "Bama" Harrell said that we could stop by. Well, it was more like an invasion. They took us out to a nice place for lunch where (again) we made a shambles of our diet. And then entertained us for the rest of the afternoon. Bama's bat collection is something truly unique. Actual bats used by players 150 years ago!!! Seems to me the Hall of Fame would be interested in this slice of history but John said they are more interested in the bats from major league players. What a shame for them. To be able to hold a piece of history like that was something I never expected. These weren't the store model bats -- Bama collects hand-made bats. Wow. Bama's card and ephemera collection was equally special. He's finished nearly all the sets from the 30s that you've heard of (and several you haven't). I've seen his list for over 10 years now and was impressed but seeing the cards was something else. Bama also has a really neat type card album, which included an italian set of sports-related cards. Included in the set is a right-handed hitting Ted Williams. And believe it or not, he had one dupe, the Ted Williams card. I owe Bama big time since now I have it. I wish we could have stayed longer but we were already overdue back home. Thank you again Brock, Geno, John Storman and John "Bama" Harrell (and wife) for the hospitality and company extended to my wife and me. I look forward to doing it again. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 02:30:18 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1962T #50 Musial - Good price B.I.N. If anyone is looking for the '62T Musial, here's one in reasonably good OBCcondition at a Buy It Nowprice of $7.23+$1.95 postage. I'd grab it myself, but the buyer doesn't accept bids/sales from outside the US. Item endsround about 7am EST, so if you don't get it now you might need to wait for a re-list (assuming it doesn't sell). Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 10:19:30 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: OBC Visit I received two Father's Day gifts yesterday, the one from my family and theother from OBC, in the form of a visit from Steve Rittenberg and his lovely wife, Gena. They were on their way back to Huntsville from Pensacola where they had had another OBC visit. Montgomery is about the halfway point in the trip so they stopped for a nice visit. We first went to lunch where they explained the diet they were on, which has had truly amazing results; however, Emmi (my wife) and I were able to offer an acceptable mushroom Swiss burger as a dietary substitute. We then came back to the house and had a really nice visit. I had not seenSteve since the National in '98 at Atlanta so we had lots of stories to catch up on. Steve and I retired to the memorabilia room and looked at some of my old bat collection and my collection of advertising posters and assorted junk. As always, when OBC folks get together it's like seeing an old friend, whether you've ever met them or not. We looked at quite a bit of stuff and talked about OBC and some of the get togethers we had over the years with other OBCers. We lamented the lack of card stores and shows in the south and were envious of stories such as Mike Rich posted the other day about visiting several stores in one day and stories of "finds" that people make on their store visits. I asked Steve how he was adjusting to Southern culture and the weather and he said that he had adjusted to most things, except the food. With him coming from the northeast, I'm not surprised at this bit of shock, as we do tend to season everything well down here and fry almost anything you can think of. After several hours, though, they had to be back on the road, but hopefullythis will be the first of many visits. Emmi and I will certainly be headed to Huntsville in the near future, so another visit is guaranteed. Nothing like OBC for good friends and good times. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 07:32:52 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1954T Gil Hodges #102 1954T #102 Hodges Another OBC condition card at a reasonable price - $8.50 with free shipping - on ebay Buy It Now. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:44:31 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Afforable Lasorda RC on ebay Check out this affordable 1954T Lasorda RC on ebay, courtesy of OBC-friendly dealer Chandy Greendholt. http://cgi.ebay.com/1954-Topps-Tom-LaSorda-rookie-card-/380244803114?cmd=ViewItem&pt=US_Baseball&hash=item58885b3e2a ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 21 Jun 2010 18:49:47 -0400 (EDT) From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: The BEST Fathers Day Gift Hello All, First of all Happy Fathers Day to all the OBC DADs out there. Now to talk about my Fathersday gift. My family Took me to Cooperstown New York to the Baseball Hall of Fame for the weekend. Once we got to Cooperstown we had tickets for a family catch on Doubleday field. We all went on the field and had a nice catch we got to take great pictures, and had great conversations, and a life time of memories. After the catch we sent my son to wait in line to sign in for his baseballclinic. While my son and wife were on line to check in Tony I ran to the store. On my way back I cross the street and almost get hit by a car pullinginto a parking spot, well I wanted to have a word with the driver, so whenhe came out, I realized it was the one and only Bob Feller, needless to say I said nothing .....lol. I realized he was doing a signing so i went got my baseball and went to get his autograph. When I met him he shook my hand,then as he was signing my ball I asked him " Mr. Feller who was the best batter you ever faced?" he replied " Ted Williams and Rogers Horsby..well Rogers was past his prime when we faced but he still is one of the best." I asked him about Joe Dimaggio he replied "great hitter, but he couldn't hit a sinker, too bad I didnt throw one, but Ted Williams was much better then Joe, You couldn't throw anything past Ted, on the same hand Ted didnt have very good numbers against me, but still those 2 were the best." He finishedsigning my ball and thanked me for being up in cooerstown for the weekend and shook my hand again, Now to the clinc, I got to watch my son play ball for 2 hours with retiredpro ball players, the likes of Mark Witten, Jeff Kent, Dennis Rassmussen,Rich Surhoff (B.J.s brother)Dickey Noles and a few others. Tony has been learning how to pitch and has taken interest in pitching, So Tony took in and learned the most from Dennis Rassmussen and Dickey Noles. Tonys favorite player is Young Tim Lincecum and Tony even has let his hair grow like Tim. Well Dennis Rassmussen said to him I understand you like Tim Lincecum but you cant pitch w/ hair in your eyes..so he fixed my sons hair and Tony pitched Now the clinic is over, And we realize Tony lost his glove. Tony put it down and it was taken. We went to every store/stand and the hall to see if itwas recovered or returned, but no dice, Tonys gove was gone for good. Now my family and I enter the Hall and just enjoy every minute of the hall. my sons rush to the second floor to the Abbot and Costello "whos on first " bit. they love that, then they went to the baseball card section and we all looked at the cards...I had my mouth open seeing a mint Honus Wagner t-206 amint Eddie PLank t-206 and Mint 1952 topps Mantle. The boys also loved the shrine, Tony and Robert had a little game who can find the most HOF plaques. So I gave each son a pad and paper and a name who ever completed their got a HOF gift that i bought...and to make sure there was no cheating I wanted year of induction. Well both my boys won! After the hall we went to this resturant called "THE PIT" we eat there every time we go to the hall we just love it. We sit down order then chat about our day and have a great time. Sunday morning we get up early Find free parking then walk around the townabit, then we head into the Cooperstown Diner. Great meal. After the breakfast we head to the hall, we do a quick walk through. At noon we watch theMain Street we got to see some HOFers Bob Feller/ Harmon Killebrew/Gary Carter/Goose Gossage(who wined his way to the hall) Rollie Fingers, Phil Neikero/and the Wizard of OZ Ozzie Smith. When the Parade is over the HOF CLassic starts in doubleday field. Now they start with a HR derby, and Tony usuning his brothers glove Gatches a Homer. Hard Hitting Mark Witten won the derby...Now the game starts...great time watching these hofers and retired players play. My older son and I had a great time chatting about baseball during the game as he is a huge Football player and watcher, but he and I gotto bond with baseball. During the 5th inning stretch Tony told Mark Wittenwhat he remembered from Marks Clinic station, and he came over and chattedw/ tony and signed his HR ball...which is cool because its a MLB bal with the HOF logo stamped on the ball. THe game ended and I think Bob fellers team won, but we didnt care we just had so much fun watching the game and being with the family. On the way home we stopped at a winery and the wife got to buy some wine. When we got home I couldnt wait to get home and give my dad his gift , the Bob Feller autograph. Well Dad LOVED his gift, and we chatted baseball for almost an hour. Not a bad gift huh? Rob "the fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 02:20:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Interesting Willie Mays article on Yahoo Sports A very interesting read on how the Giants signed young Willie Howard Mays: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slugys-klimamays062110 ================= To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:04:58 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Mint Condition - a new book I know it isn't the book title that would be of interest to OBCers but this new book, Mint Condition, by Dave Jamieson is great. He is a young man that researched the hobby. He was disappointed that his childhood cards from the 1980s were not worth much so he got into the whole history of cards. He met with Lionel Carter, interviewed Bill Mastro, Sy Berger, Mike Gidiwitz and others (I'm only half-way thru the book). He also contacted me and used some of my Jefferson Burdick info. Despite the title, it is right up our alley and it is available in regular book stores. I don't get any commission, I just thought the gang should know about the book. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:28:17 -0400 To: George Vrechek From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mint Condition - a new book I'm just about done with the book and completely agree. It's an illuminating piece of history that spans from the Civil War to 2009, where cards play a suprisingly key role in the way American industries developed era-to-era. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:04 AM, George Vrechek wrote: > I know it isn't the book title that would be of interest to OBCers but this > new book, Mint Condition, by Dave Jamieson is great. He is a young man that > researched the hobby. He was disappointed that his childhood cards from the > 1980s were not worth much so he got into the whole history of cards. He met > with Lionel Carter, interviewed Bill Mastro, Sy Berger, Mike Gidiwitz and > others (I'm only half-way thru the book). He also contacted me and used some > of my Jefferson Burdick info. Despite the title, it is right up our alley > and it is available in regular book stores. I don't get any commission, I > just thought the gang should know about the book. > George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:30:58 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MIKE DIAMANTI Subject: Change of Scenery Well Gals and Guys: The PacNorWest has been unseasonably chilly and gray for May and June. However, the next two days are shaping up for sunshine and warmth. I just finished shooing a young buck off our property, the tree swallows are darting and swooping, and I'm almost done slurping coffee and reading about the impending clash the Mariners will have with the Cubbies. This Thursday, ex-Mariner pitcher, Carlos Silva, who is having a superb season for the Cubs', is going to face his old team. For two years Silva struggled with his pitching and his weight, while earning $12 million a year...I admit I was part of the bandwagon calling for his departure. Cubs' general manager Jim Hendry said, ""It was the classic change of scenery and hope both guys (we got Milton Bradley) benefit from the trade. Jack (Zduriencik)(Mariner's general manager) and I have a real good relationship, and we had very honest, open dialogue. We're not gloating at someone having success that didn't have it there." (Seattle Times story at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2012174669_mari22.html ) Which got me to thinking about the whole "change of scenery" issue. What baseball "change of sceneries" scenarios stick out in your mind that you would care to comment on? They could be recent or historical. The ones I'm interested in hearing about are the 180 changes like Carlos Silva made. How does that happen? To quote the article again: "To Silva, it boils down to feeling more comfortable in Chicago than in Seattle, where he believes the Mariners organization dwelled too much on his girth." As Lou Piniella may have said over the years (just guessing...), "Pitchers...they make me crazy!" DioweCoffeeGuy in Coupeville ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 16:54:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: Re: Change of Scenery Hey, Mike and OBCers. I'm out at my mom's in Illinois, enjoying my own change of scenery from my PCNW home. I got to meet Aaron Shirley, my FIRST EVER OBCER I'VE MET IN PERSON (description to follow in a later post...hopefully), celebrated the wedding of my best friend from college in Kentucky (where Ken Pillion fled the state to prevent me from having my second ever meeting), and am now enjoying a last day of the slower lane before we fly backand re-enter our "normal" lives again. I mentioned it in passing in my last Thanks, but Lou Brock is the one that stands out for me, having read about it in October, 1964. Brock was miserable with the Cubs and was going to be a wash-out from the majors, in spite of tremendous potential. He stole 50 bases as a Cub and hit about .255 over four seasons, including .251 in 1964 at the time they sent him to St. Louis. As a Card, he hit .348 THE REST OF THAT SEASON, stole 33 bases, and was 10th in the voting for MVP. I don't really want to talk about what happened that October, but it was more of the same. As the song says, "A changewill do you good." My only info about it is from David Halberstam's book and looking at the stats, since I wasn't really here to see it for myself. Someone else might have more direct insight into Brock's version of "How does that happen." The Cubs were critical of Brock and developed a low view of his ability, which Brock seemed to internalize from age 22-25. Then he got swapped to a team and manager, Billy Keane, that encouraged him and believed in his abilityto improve their team speed and lineup. This is probably a sore spot for Cubs fans, but the trade went strongly in favor of the Cards--against everything on paper that would have suggested the opposite--and Brock went from self-doubting and underachieving to two rings in four years and the Hall ofFame. Personally, I love that story because it suggests that we may be capable ofa lot more than we think, if only we can find the right context in which to find out. Blessings on you guys! The Midwest sure is humid, but I do love the sunsets! Mike R-W --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, MIKE DIAMANTI wrote: > Well Gals and Guys: > The PacNorWest has been unseasonably chilly and gray for May and June. > However, the next two days are shaping up for sunshine and warmth. I just > finished shooing a young buck off our property, the tree swallows are > darting and swooping, and I'm almost done slurping coffee and reading about > the impending clash the Mariners will have with the Cubbies. > This Thursday, ex-Mariner pitcher, Carlos Silva, who is having a superb > season for the Cubs', is going to face his old team. For two years Silva > struggled with his pitching and his weight, while earning $12 million a > year...I admit I was part of the bandwagon calling for his departure. Cubs' > general manager Jim Hendry said, ""It was the classic change of scenery and > hope both guys (we got Milton Bradley) benefit from the trade. Jack > (Zduriencik)(Mariner's general manager) and I have a real good relationship, > and we had very honest, open dialogue. We're not gloating at someone having > success that didn't have it there." > (Seattle Times story at: > http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2012174669_mari22.html ) > Which got me to thinking about the whole "change of scenery" issue. What > baseball "change of sceneries" scenarios stick out in your mind that you > would care to comment on? They could be recent or historical. The ones I'm > interested in hearing about are the 180 changes like Carlos Silva made. How > does that happen? > To quote the article again: "To Silva, it boils down to feeling more > comfortable in Chicago than in Seattle, where he believes the Mariners > organization dwelled too much on his girth." > As Lou Piniella may have said over the years (just guessing...), > "Pitchers...they make me crazy!" > DioweCoffeeGuy in Coupeville ================= To: "George Vrechek" Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 13:33:53 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Mint Condition - a new book Im about 3/4 finished highly recommend ----- Original Message ----- From: George Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:04 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Mint Condition - a new book I know it isn't the book title that would be of interest to OBCers but this new book, Mint Condition, by Dave Jamieson is great. He is a young man that researched the hobby. He was disappointed that his childhood cards fromthe 1980s were not worth much so he got into the whole history of cards. He met with Lionel Carter, interviewed Bill Mastro, Sy Berger, Mike Gidiwitz and others (I'm only half-way thru the book). He also contacted me and used some of my Jefferson Burdick info. Despite the title, it is right up ouralley and it is available in regular book stores. I don't get any commission, I just thought the gang should know about the book. George Vrechek ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:38:31 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Change of Scenery Interesting question. Folks probably hoped the Garry Templeton / Ozzie Smith trade would help both sides, as a 1-for-1 deal. I wonder if they're really "change of scenery" or more about finding a different strategic spot. (Of course, maybe that's a very similar thing.) P.S. I mentioned a minor scenery change in yesterday's #5 post, when the Twins and Indians swapped struggling starters (Jim Perry & Jack Kralick). Both went on to do much better in their new locations. On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 11:30 AM, MIKE DIAMANTI wrote: > Which got me to thinking about the whole "change of scenery" issue. > What baseball "change of sceneries" scenarios stick out in your mind that > you would care to comment on? They could be recent or historical. The ones > I'm interested in hearing about are the 180 changes like Carlos Silva made. > How does that happen? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 17:02:21 -0500 From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Shriners show When is the annual card show in November in Wilmington MA put on by the Shriners? Maybe the wife will let me go. Sent from my iPhone ================= To: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 15:17:03 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: FW: [OBC-Ramblings] Change of Scenery Superb question, but being a Canuck, I of course think of hockey first: Frank Mahovlich- superbly talented, and beaten to a pulp by Punch Imlach, who wouldn't even make the effort to pronounce him name properly..always called him Ma-Hil-Ovich, and treated him like dirt, his way of "motivating.". The Big M ended up undergoing psychological counseling. Get him out of Toronto and away from Imlach, and he absolutely blossomed with Detroit and Montreal. He is now a member of Canada's Senate. And, I think the reverse can be true as well: Trevor Linden, by far the most popular Canuck of all time. In an effort to become a contender, they traded him away, and they might just as well have ripped his heart out, he loved being a Canuck..he floundered with a couple of teams, then came back "home" and became a very good hockey player again. Not likely to make the HOF, but 100% effort, and a very classy guy. Back to baseball Mikeeeeee..Frank Robinson comes to mind, who played well in Cincy, but I don't think he felt like he fit in. Trade him to the O's in the worst trade in history, and what does he do? Check the stats.. Grant, slowly getting back into this baseball card stuff kinda guy... From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MIKE DIAMANTI Sent: June 22, 2010 8:31 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Change of Scenery Well Gals and Guys: The PacNorWest has been unseasonably chilly and gray for May and June. However, the next two days are shaping up for sunshine and warmth. I just finished shooing a young buck off our property, the tree swallows are darting and swooping, and I'm almost done slurping coffee and reading about the impending clash the Mariners will have with the Cubbies. This Thursday, ex-Mariner pitcher, Carlos Silva, who is having a superb season for the Cubs', is going to face his old team. For two years Silva struggled with his pitching and his weight, while earning $12 million a year...I admit I was part of the bandwagon calling for his departure. Cubs' general manager Jim Hendry said, ""It was the classic change of scenery and hope both guys (we got Milton Bradley) benefit from the trade. Jack (Zduriencik)(Mariner's general manager) and I have a real good relationship, and we had very honest, open dialogue. We're not gloating at someone having success that didn't have it there." (Seattle Times story at: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/mariners/2012174669_mari22.html ) Which got me to thinking about the whole "change of scenery" issue. What baseball "change of sceneries" scenarios stick out in your mind that you would care to comment on? They could be recent or historical. The ones I'm interested in hearing about are the 180 changes like Carlos Silva made. How does that happen? To quote the article again: "To Silva, it boils down to feeling more comfortable in Chicago than in Seattle, where he believes the Mariners organization dwelled too much on his girth." As Lou Piniella may have said over the years (just guessing...), "Pitchers...they make me crazy!" DioweCoffeeGuy in Coupeville No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.829 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2954 - Release Date: 06/21/10 ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 18:59:47 -0400 To: Steve Rittenberg , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Shriners show Its usually the first weekend in november On 6/22/10, Steve Rittenberg wrote: > When is the annual card show in November in Wilmington MA put on by > the Shriners? Maybe the wife will let me go. > Sent from my iPhone Sent from my mobile device ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 23:53:23 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Father's Day With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I didn't say that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back to the message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day, John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against the Mets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although I never got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995. 15 years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think Josh was like 6 years old LOL). Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT From: JBIIIARP To: ChicoD1 Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66 Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly remembrances!!! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words. Sal, thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:40:28 +0000 (UTC) To: ChicoD1@aol.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day Hey Sal and the gang, I wonder if anyone has the "Fernando" strand that I believe really showed off John Ball's uncanny wit. I laughed for weeks whenever someone would comment on that strand. Any time I come across a Gus Triandositem I can't help but think of John - like you Saleven though I never phyically met JohnI felt like I knew him. Thanks for reminding us - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I didn'tsay that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back tothe message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day,John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against theMets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although Inever got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995. 15 years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think Josh was like 6 years old LOL). Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT From: JBIIIARP To: ChicoD1 Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly remembrances!!! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words. Sal, thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I didn'tsay that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back tothe message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day,John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against theMets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although Inever got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995. 15 years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think Josh was like 6 years old LOL). Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT From: JBIIIARP To: ChicoD1 Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly remembrances!!! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words. Sal, thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:34:25 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Contact list Ok here is the first copy of the contact list. I made good use of the database in the yahoo files... Let me know if I need to make any corrections or ================= To: mark talbot Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:37:36 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day The "Fernando" email was from Rick Redpath. Here it is from July 24, 2001: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/406 To: ChicoD1@aol.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:40:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day Hey Sal and the gang, I wonder if anyone has the "Fernando" strand that I believe really showed off John Ball's uncanny wit. I laughed for weeks whenever someone would comment on that strand. Any time I come across a Gus Triandos item I can't help but think of John - like you Sal even though I never phyically met John I felt like I knew him. Thanks for reminding us - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I didn'tsay that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back tothe message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day,John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against theMets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although Inever got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995. 15 years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think Josh was like 6 years old LOL). Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT From: JBIIIARP To: ChicoD1 Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly remembrances!!! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words. Sal, thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?tilemulticalendar&ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_5 ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 05:43:31 +0000 (UTC) To: Bob Reed From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day Hey Bob, Just chock that up to the old CRS disease - don't ya just hate when that 'Old-timers' clicks in. Nonetheless Rick's another one who's legacy lives on well beyond his time with us. Thanks Bob for correcting me and reminding me again about Rick. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Reed" To: "mark talbot" Cc: "OBC Ramblings" Sent: Wednesday, June 23, 2010 11:37:36 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day The "Fernando" email was from Rick Redpath. Here it is from July 24, 2001: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/406 To: ChicoD1@aol.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:40:28 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day Hey Sal and the gang, I wonder if anyone has the "Fernando" strand that I believe really showed off John Ball's uncanny wit. I laughed for weeks whenever someone would comment on that strand. Any time I come across a Gus Triandositem I can't help but think of John - like you Saleven though I never phyically met JohnI felt like I knew him. Thanks for reminding us - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: ChicoD1@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I didn'tsay that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back tothe message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day,John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against theMets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although Inever got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995. 15 years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think Josh was like 6 years old LOL). Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT From: JBIIIARP To: ChicoD1 Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly remembrances!!! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words. Sal, thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2010 22:33:32 -0500 To: Bob Reed From: Doug DeJong Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day You guys have great memories and I thank you for it! This has reminded me of a time I found an oddball Gus Triandos and had more fun figuring out a way to wrap it inside other packages to try to surprise him.....I used half a pound of tape on that one and he gave me some wonderful grief for it! I think of him everyime I see a Gus in the binder. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Bob Reed wrote: > The "Fernando" email was from Rick Redpath. Here it is from July 24, 2001: > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/406 > -Bob > ------------------------------ > To: ChicoD1@aol.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: talbot1@comcast.net > Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:40:28 +0000 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day > Hey Sal and the gang, > I wonder if anyone has the "Fernando" strand that I believe really > showed off John Ball's uncanny wit. I laughed for weeks whenever someone > would comment on that strand. Any time I come across a Gus Triandos itemI > can't help but think of John - like you Sal even though I never phyically > met John I felt like I knew him. Thanks for reminding us - BE WELL!!! > REGARDS ------------------ MARK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: ChicoD1@aol.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day > With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I > didn't say that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You > old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... > Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back to > the message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day, > John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against the > Mets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although I > never got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one > of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995.15 > years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think > Josh was like 6 years old LOL). > Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. > Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT > From: JBIIIARP > To: ChicoD1 > Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... > I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66 > Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly > remembrances!!! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the > Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is > fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words. Sal, > thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John > ------------------------------ > The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with > Hotmail. Get busy. ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 00:02:43 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: John Ball (was; [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day) It's great to remember absent friends now and then, and John's memory really does deserve to be kept alive within our "club". John sent several items my way during my early years in OBC. I had the great privilege and pleasure of meeting him at Joker Marchant Stadium in Lakeland, Florida in February 2000. It was only a brief meeting, but I was left wishing it could have been longer. Definitely a first ballot OBC Hall Of Famer! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List From: Doug DeJong To: Bob Reed Cc: mark talbot ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Fri, June 25, 2010 4:33:32 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day You guys have great memories and I thank you for it! This has reminded me of a time I found an oddball Gus Triandos and had more fun figuring out a way to wrap it inside other packages to try to surprise him.....I used half a pound of tape on that one and he gave me some wonderful grief for it! I think of him everyime I see a Gus in the binder. On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Bob Reed wrote: >The "Fernando" email was from Rick Redpath. Here it is from July 24,2001: >http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/OBC- Ramblings/ message/406 To: ChicoD1@aol. com >CC: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com >From: talbot1@comcast. net >Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 23:40:28 +0000 >Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day >Hey Sal and the gang, > I wonder if anyone has the "Fernando" strand thatI believe really showed off John Ball's uncanny wit. I laughed for weeks whenever someone would comment on that strand. Any time I come across a Gus Triandositem I can't help but think of John - like you Sal even though I never phyically met JohnI felt like I knew him.Thanks for reminding us - BE WELL!!! >REGARDS ------------ ------ MARK >----- Original Message ----- >From: ChicoD1@aol. com >To: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com >Sent: Tuesday, June 22, 2010 11:53:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Father's Day >With the recent Father's day on the calendar, I would be remiss if I didn't say that it holds a special meaning to me as far as OBC goes... You old timers will remember this, the newbies- here is some OBC folk law... >Dr John Ball was one of the people I brought into OBC (going wayyyy back to the message boards on Prodigy). It would never fail, that on father's day, John would remind me that Jim Bunning pitched his perfect game against the Mets. I can tell you every year I think about John on that day. Although I never got to meet him in person, I knew him well. So I thought I'd share one of those early emails from John. I can't believe this email is from 1995. 15 years has flown by... John you are still missed my friend... (BTW I think Josh was like 6 years old LOL). >Subj: A Bunning Fathers' Day.. >Date: 95-06-19 21:10:42 EDT >From: JBIIIARP >To: ChicoD1 >Sal...my friend...I am glad you relaxed a bit yesterday on dad's day... >I want to thank you for hooking me up to OBC because on Sat I received a 66 Jim Bunning from Josh Levine....just in time for one of my yearly remembrances! !! The 1964 Bunning perfect game ON FATHER'S DAY over the Mets...I was only ten yrs. old, but I think I saw every pitch!! It is fitting that our two teams face one another even as I write these words.Sal, thanks again for you help!! With warm regards: John The New Busy think 9 to 5 is a cute idea. Combine multiple calendars with Hotmail. Get busy. ================= Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 06:09:02 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1953T Whitey Ford heads up! 1953T #207Whitey Ford Buy It Now at $17.95 Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2010 14:02:09 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Anyone doing 41 Goudeys? Bought a lot of 41 G's...but thinking of splitting it up. Let me know if anyone wants to share. Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocidPID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 00:30:22 -0400 From: "senthi" Subject: Vacation for Me Hello All, I am off for a couple of weeks. Look forward to the mail when I return. Happy Cardboard Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 09:08:27 -0400 To: OBC Ramblings From: Don Rice Subject: Help with 1969 Topps Stamp Album Checklist A seemingly simple quest has turned up nothing, neither on the internet nor in my SCD Guide. Does anyone have an accurate checklist (by number) for the 1969 Topps Baseball Stamp Album insert set? Just 24 albums make up this set, yet an accurate checklist seems elusive. I couldn't find one in OBC Checklist central, and an internet search yielded just one inaccurate checklist, where the cards were listed alphabetically, with incorrect numbers assigned to the booklets. Finally, my 2008 SCD does not list the albums individually. Anyone out there have a link to an accurate checklist? Thanks, Don
--
Don Rice
WL: http://dkrice.50webs.com/
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Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:18:22 -0400
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew Glidden 
Subject: Availables: 1964 Giants and 1952 Red Man

Hope you USA fans can catch the game this afternoon. In the meantime, FCFS

1952 Red Man NL: 26 Westrum (no tab)
1964 Topps Giants: 12 Kaline, 38 Killebrew

Also have some extra Bob Parker HOF and Cincinnati Reds cartoon cards; point
me to a wantlist, if you have one.

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To: "'Don Rice'" ,
Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 10:27:10 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with 1969 Topps Stamp Album Checklist

Here's what I have

1 Pirates

2 Cardinals

3 Cubs

4 Houston

5 Braves

6 Reds

7 Dodgers

8 Expos

9 Padres

10 Giants

11 Mets

12 Phillies

13 Orioles

14 Red Sox

15 Senators

16 Pilots

17 Yankees

18 Athletics

19 Twins

20 Royals

21 Indians

22 Tigers

23  Angels

24  White Sox

From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Don Rice
Sent: Saturday, June 26, 2010 9:08 AM
To: OBC Ramblings
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with 1969 Topps Stamp Album Checklist

A seemingly simple quest has turned up nothing, neither on the internet nor
in my SCD Guide. Does anyone have an accurate checklist (by number) for the
1969 Topps Baseball Stamp Album insert set? Just 24 albums make up this set,
yet an accurate checklist seems elusive. I couldn't find one in OBC
Checklist central, and an internet search yielded just one inaccurate
checklist, where the cards were listed alphabetically, with incorrect
numbers assigned to the booklets. Finally, my 2008 SCD does not list the
albums individually. Anyone out there have a link to an accurate checklist?
Thanks, Don

Don Rice
WL: http://dkrice.50webs.com/
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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 04:14:05 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "B-999" 
Subject: I'm moving shortly...

Hey guys,

Just an FYI-- we'll be selling our house in MD on July 2nd--- and moving toPennsylvania
on July 7th.  It'll be much closer to work (but further from the
National finally in Baltimore this year!!).  I'll probably be in very limited
contact over that time... boy moving is such fun!!!  I'll update my address
as we get closer but please hold off on sending anything as we get near
the 2nd.. Thanks guys!

Brian Betza

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Date: Sun, 27 Jun 2010 21:41:04 EDT
To: dkrice@nycap.rr.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with 1969 Topps Stamp Album Checklist

If anyone has any of the Stamp albums, I am getting close to finishing a
set without stamps in the albums, and a set with stamps in the albums.  On the
albums with stamps, partially filled albums are fine.
Mike Rich

1969 Topps BB Stamp Albums: w/o stamps 10 Giants  w/stamps 1 3 6 22

In a message dated 6/26/10 10:27:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
obcbobd@gmail.com writes:

> 1 Pirates
> 2 Cardinals
> 3 Cubs
> 4 Houston
> 5 Braves
> 6 Reds
> 7 Dodgers
> 8 Expos
> 9 Padres
> 10 Giants
> 11 Mets
> 12 Phillies
> 13 Orioles
> 14 Red Sox
> 15 Senators
> 16 Pilots
> 17 Yankees
> 18 Athletics
> 19 Twins
> 20 Royals
> 21 Indians
> 22 Tigers
> 23  Angels
> 24  White Sox

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Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 04:08:59 +0000 (UTC)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: What's been up with ME!!!

Hello All,

It=E2=99s been a very
inactive existence for me and this hobby of late so I thought I would fill
you guys in on what up with ME lately.  Life has taken some unusual
turns for me the past 8-9 months making anything outside of work and family
obligations difficult as best.  So busy that in January I had todiscontinue
my on going project of sending all in our trading group a birthday
card; a project that I have enjoyed for over 5 years now but I just couldn=E2=99t
keep up so I had to stop.  All this began in October 2009.

Last September I wastold
by the principal at the school I work at that she was leaving at the end
of the school year and I should prepare myself for possibly taking her place.
I didn=E2=99t take it to seriously as she had told me a number
of time in the past 9 years that she was thinking of leaving.  This
year would be different though because in early October she gave her notice
and was gone by mid-month.  The Management Company who operates our
school placed me in as =E2=9Cacting principal=E2=9D and began a search
for a replacement, of course I made it plain that I was interested inthe
position but for some unknown reason the Management Company was not excited
about moving me into the position, but I took the temporary position and
hoped for the best.  I began taking on the responsibilities of two
positions the principal and assistant principal at the school.

In November the Management
Company CEO made an appearance with the intent of introducing me to the
new =E2=9Cinterim=E2=9D principal that they had hired to fill theposition
till the end of the school year so they could have more time to find
a permanent replacement.  It was clear that I had a short amount time
to convince them that I was the only man for the job.  The =E2=9Cnew=E2=9D
guy who came in made it clear that he was not interestedin
the operational issues at the school and pretty much left me doing mostof
the work I had been doing since the principal had left.  The reality
for me was that I would be working 50 =E2=93 60 hours a week to do my
work and try to make it clear to the Management Company that I was in fact
the guy they needed for the job.

Of course during this
time my daughter was very busy in her junior year of High School and quite
caught up in the performing arts school she is involved in.  She would
be involved in 4 different productions and I took on the job of Treasurer
of the Booster Club that has kept me very busy.  Kend all would receive
her drivers license in January which freed up a little of the time since
I no longer had to maintain the taxi service she had me running for so many
years but we did not buy her a car so she could only take a car when one
was available.  So to say the least my time has been devoted to work
and family obligations leaving very little time for the hobby I love.

Now take all this and
add to the mix that my wife=E2=99s business has not been doing so welland
you have the addition of tight finances making it difficult to pick upnew
stuff to trade and you have the perfect storm for inactivity.  So
there you have it =E2=93 the story of my life for the past 8 months.
Of late things have not gotten much better =E2=93 In May the school
board gave the interim principal a deal he couldn't turn down to stay onfor
an additional year or two so I will not be moving into the principal=E2=99s
position.  As you know, Kend all had an accident with my Firebird
in June putting the automobile out of commission and Donna=E2=99s
business has not rebound as of yet so making it to Baltimore for the National
Convention is out of the question.  We continue to look for a good
deal on a used automobile and go on as a one car household for the firsttime
since Donna and I were married, it posses a number of challenges and I
have even rode my bike to work a number of times since the accident.

There is hope on thehorizon
though as I will get most of July off of work for some much neededR&R.
It looks as though I am up for a sizable salary hike to stay on
as the assistant principal as I have let the management company know of my
displeasure with my current situation.  So things are looking up and
Ihave actually startedgetting some cardboard out to my friends
in the trading club.  I also look forward to our annual Church Family
Camp in mid August =E2=93 I am the camp coordinator this year (another
timeconsuming commitment) and we have many neat things planned for camp
this year. 

I hope my story didn't take too much of YOUR time but I thought that some
of you out there deserved an explanation of my absence from the group.
I really do hope to be more active in the future and will miss seeing
all you guys this year in Baltimore =E2=93 BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ------------------------- MARK
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To: 
Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2010 13:53:29 -0700
From: "Grant Rainsley" 
Subject: Thanks on the Ramblings server.....

Brian Lindholme sent along a nice note and an SCP..a 1950 Remar Bread of
George Bamberger. In the note he says "I was looking at your Wantlist, and
you list this card as one of your two Most Wanted. Brian says there is a
story here, and pretty much insists on a public explanation. Yeah Brian, I
guess so, why would ANYone have this as their Most Wanted, along with a
Pro's Pizza Billy Hoeft.

Turn the clock back to 1961 or 1962..I went to a lot of the Triple A
Vancouver Mounties (PCL) games as a kid. Bambi was a fixture there for a few
years it seemed like, and really seemed to enjoy chatting up the youngsters
who were in the bleachers near the bullpen, which as I recall was just some
chairs in foul territory. Jose Azcue used to chat us up too. Anyways, the
story...I was watching Bambi warming up, and started hearing voices..really!
I was only about 6 feet away and heard kind of crackling voices. (No, I
wasn't dabbling in anything funny at age 11.) He took the mound and threw an
excellent game as I recall, and it wasn't until the newspaper the next day
that I  found out that an experiment had taken place. Vanc. Manager Jack
McKeon (yes, the same one) had outfitted Bambi with a radio receiver that
was (I think) in his hip pocket, and was calling the game and the pitches
through this first use of telecommunication between a Manager and a pitcher.
I also seem to recall that this was outlawed shortly afterwards, but not
sure about that. I always wondered what happened to that radio, it should
have gone to the HOF. Bambi never had a card as a Vancouver Mountie, so the
1950 Remar was as close as I could come...

So there you have it Brian, aren't you sorry you asked? Likely only in OBC
would you come up with this type of weird stuff. Now as for the Pro's Pizza
Billy Hoeft..

P.S.  Thank you Brian!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 00:46:31 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Aaron" 
Subject: A LOT HAS HAPPENED in the last year...

Here's a wild understatement: A lot has happened in the last year!!!  Hold on
- this might get Morganti-esque.  But the bottom line is that I am in a place
I haven't been in a long LONG while, in more ways than one, and I want
to share a little bit of the experience with you.

We (me, my wife and two kids) left a ministry in Georgia where I had been for
the last four and a half years.  That's another whole long story in and of
itself, but anyway...  We came back to Illinois to spend some time with my
parents.  The intent was to take a break for a little while from ministry,
rest, recharge, renew, rejuvenate.

But it lasted a little longer than I had originally intended.  I worked with
my dad in his garage.  He's a semi-retired auto body repair man, but we did
an awful lot of sanding, primering, painting, etc... still seemed like full-time
to me.  It was the greatest summer of my life, getting to hang outwith
him again.  We lived on savings for quite a while, and made enough asa
household to pay what bills we still had.

Anyway, that fall I got some work building a humongous deck / boat house / walkway
/ storage shed on the lake with a friend of my dad's.  We worked through
the winter when the weather permitted.  It was good physical labor, hauling
deck boards and cutting and nailing and the like.  The pay was good,and
I came home feeling a little more than useless.

Also starting in November/December I was in contact with three churches within
about an hour of my parents' house that were all looking for a full-time
youth minister.  All three seemed like great places to be, and a lot of prayer
went into the process.  One of those three took the plunge and hired me
starting in February.  Another long story, but let's keep on track, shall

One of the men in the church approached me my first Sunday there, and offered
a place to stay with him and his wife while we looked for more permanenthousing.
He had FOUR open bedrooms in the upstairs of his two-story MANSION
(he's a doctor) and that meant there was room for all of us to stay.  Soduring
the week (Sunday-Thursday) I stayed with them, and on weekends (Friday-Saturday)
I would go back to stay with my parents.  My wife and kids would
come up on Saturday night with me, and stay until Monday, and whenever we
had house tours scheduled they could spend the night - and whenever theyneeded.

That translated into a great blessing, having a (free!) place to live for 3months,
but it also meant a lot of time away from my family.  All the while
I was getting used to a new ministry, and my wife was doing a lot of house
hunting with the real estate agent (who happens to go to church with us AND
owns the local coin shop).

Well, after looking at about 20 houses, she found it.  We made an offer, went
through some hoops, and May 14th we closed on our first home!!!  We've never
owned a home before; it's sure to be interesting, seeing what breaks next.
Just kidding, it's wonderful.  We even have a humongous above-ground pool,
in wonderful shape thanks to a lot of work on the part of the in-lawsand
my wonderful wife.  No, she's not standing over my shoulder.  She's been
a real trooper through all this.

But the story doesn't end there.  There were a few repairs (nothing too major)
that we had to do before moving in, and we had left most of our belongings
in a storage unit in Georgia since last June.  So over Memorial Day weekend,
we went to Georgia, visited old friends, and packed up all our stuff into
a big Budget truck, and headed across the nation to our new home in Centralia

I got the chance to meet Mike Rumley-Wells, one of our first visitors in our
new home, and we stayed up much of the night talking baseball and ministry
and more baseball and family and OBC and more than a little talk about cards...
especially 54 Bowman... Plus his daughter Annalise became the hero of
my two little girls!  I was honored to be considered for a stop on his big
journey.  Remember, this guy's from Washington state!  Mike (and anyone else
for that matter), you're welcome here at the new place any time!  And all
my cards are here now, so c'mon over!

Then last weekend we finally got the last of our stuff from my parents' house,
and I unloaded it yesterday afternoon.  So now I can officially say allmy
earthly belongings are under the same roof for the first time since 2004.
Nothing in storage, nothing at my parents' house, nothing at the in-laws,
nothing in Georgia... there's something nice about that.  It's all just stuff,
but at least it's all here in one place.  The best part is I can hear
my kids playing.  We're all here, together again, finally.

Through all this, I have received cards from AT LEAST these guys:
Jason Christopherson, Glenn Codere, Ryan Distelrath (twice), Bob Donaldson,Linda
Fitak, Kent Goto, Steve Hitzeman, Lynn Miller, Rich Niessen (twice),Mike
Rich... and probably more.  My sincere apologies if I have left your name
off this list, but I did my best to keep cards with the envelopes theycame
in, over much of the last year...

More details on the cards themselves will be over on the thanks server in afew
minutes, but I just had to let you know... OBC is the place to be!  Even
when you can't really be active, people are kind and generous.  And while
I will undoubtedly still be very busy with this new job, I wanted to stopand
take some time to tip my hat to each and every one of you here.

Thanks to great friends!

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 02:53:33 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Housley" 
Subject: Link to Clemente documentary

For any Roberto Clemente fans out there: http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/films/

LOTS of very well-done shows in the PBS Amercian Experience series - and you
can watch 'em on-line. I've already watched the Lincoln assassination one,
the one on the hunt for James Earl Ray amd the Lobotomy one (not for the faint
of heart.) Haven't had time for the Clemente story yet, but I'll get to
it this week. If you're a history nut (like me), the American Experiencesite
will keep you busy for a few weeks - or months! :-)

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Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2010 23:28:02 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikerw7" 
Subject: My First OBCer Meeting

As AARON SHIRLEY mentioned, I swung by his house since I happened to be
in the neighborhood.  Relatively speaking, I was, since Aaron's new
place is about 2,050 miles from mine.  Annalise and I were en route from
my Mom's in Atkinson, IL to the wedding of my best friend from college
in Louisville, KY.  We didn't give Aaron much warning, and if you read
his Ramble, you know that he has plenty of other things going on.  I
didn't realize we were going to be some of the first guests in their new
home, nor that we were "dropping in" when his in-laws were already

In spite of ALL this, the Shirleys welcomed us with open arms and fine
Illinois hospitality!  Annalise had a great time playing with Aaron's
daughters.  Aaron didn't have his collection moved in yet, so he got out
the two cards he had just received from one of you, and I discovered
that the card I thought I had along to give to him, I had left back at
Mom's.  So we laughed over being lame OBCers who don't even have cards
to swap when we meet up.  But we made up for that by talking cards (and
coins and jobs and families and churches and...) into the wee hours.  I
rarely ever say, "Gosh, I need to go to bed now," because I always
outlast the person with whom I'm spending time.  Not so for Aaron
Shirley!  And he had a 9am meeting!

I enjoyed meeting Aaron so much, I thought I'd try a second OBCer, but
apparently Ken Pillion heard about my plan (possibly from Aaron?) and
fled the state just before I arrived.  Alas.  Truthfully, he was
traveling for a good cause.  Next time, Ken!

It was great to finally meet one of you guys face to face.  Since Aaron
and I share vocations, I especially appreciated being able to talk shop
and how we (try to) fit our hobbies into our lives with family and work.
I look forward to my second live meeting...maybe one of you PacNW guys?

Peace and Joy,

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Date: Wed, 30 Jun 2010 21:47:51 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Richard" 
Subject: card show?

Does anyone know if there are any card shows in the Philly or Allentown regions
either this weekend or next weekend?
Please let me know.

Richard Labs

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Date: Thu, 01 Jul 2010 05:26:37 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Aaron" 
Subject: my new address and info

To all who are interested... my new address is:

Aaron Shirley
33 Edgebrook
Centralia IL 62801

Our new home phone is 618-918-3466
Church office phone is 618-533-4422
Cell phone is still 478-456-0495 (for now)
Should get a new cell number by the all-star game.
Texting is okay on the cell for those who do that!