================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:27:08 -0400 (EDT) From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Anchor Steam Obak? Anchor Steam ran an ad in the SF Chronicle showing an Obak w/ the Anchor Steam logo. I don't have too many Obaks and hadn't heard of this. Now I am thinking that they may have just added their logo to one of their coasters featuring an Obak, see below. Anyone know for sure? Thanks. http://www.steamgear.com/glasses/coasters23.htm ================= To: Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 13:21:22 -0700 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: OBC Xmas Update Everyone who signed up should have received your victim. Please remember to email me your confirmation. There is still time to sign up! Just respond to this email! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2010 17:05:57 -0400 From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re:Anchor Steam Obak? Anchor Steam has a recent set of beer coasters featuring pictures of T212 Obak SanFrancisco players. I have 9 different - don't know if there are others out there. I think I got them on Net54 a year or two ago. Very neat. ================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 15:02:28 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Thomas Elliott Subject: Anyone know Jerry Hoover? Hello fellow OBCers, Someone whose e-mail says he is Jerry Hoover has contacted me about trading. Has anyone traded with him? He says he writes e-mails from the public library and so only replies every few days. I'm hoping to hear from someone in OBC who has dealt with him. Thank you, Tom Elliott ================= To: , "Thomas Elliott" Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:32:19 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone know Jerry Hoover? Jerry's a good guy; I doubt you'll have any issues. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Elliott To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone know Jerry Hoover? Hello fellow OBCers, Someone whose e-mail says he is Jerry Hoover has contacted me about trading. Has anyone traded with him? He says he writes e-mails from the public library and so only replies every few days. I'm hoping to hear from someone inOBC who has dealt with him. Thank you, Tom Elliott ================= To: , Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 18:59:07 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone know Jerry Hoover? Several trades with him, no problems. He just emailed me today also for another trade. Don't know why he doesn't join a group, guess he just prefers not to, and he is happy to send first. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; elliottt61@yahoo.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 16:32:19 -0600 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone know Jerry Hoover? Jerry's a good guy; I doubt you'll have any issues. ----- Original Message ----- From: Thomas Elliott To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 4:02 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anyone know Jerry Hoover? Hello fellow OBCers, Someone whose e-mail says he is Jerry Hoover has contacted me about trading. Has anyone traded with him? He says he writes e-mails from the public library and so only replies every few days. I'm hoping to hear from someone inOBC who has dealt with him. Thank you, Tom Elliott ================= Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 00:01:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "ecexpress1" Subject: The Attic's Empty--VERY good experience A few weeks ago, Grant mentioned he had a great dealing with Jim Hammonds from "The Attic's Empty". First of all, thank you, Grant, for sharing that with us. I contacted Jim and he set me up with almost two dozen gorgeous high numbers from 1972 plus a "beater" 1970 Frank Robinson that he threw in because he felt it was too bad off to sell. Well, even the Robinson was way better than many of my star cards from that era. The high numbers are practically dangerously sharp. And I bet I paid a tenth of what I would haveon I can't recommend Jim enough. Nice guy and great prices--can't really beatthat! His email is theatticsempty@yahoo.com. ================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 19:30:49 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Steve Rittenberg Subject: Shriners show I am coming up to Boston for the weekend with my wife and hope to see some OBCers at the Shriners show. I read that Jim Hatch will be there Saturday afternoon. Is anyone else coming on Saturday? We are spending Sunday at the Cape. cell/text 256-585-4329 ================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 17:32:03 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bowl Season Challenge OBCers -- I love when cardboard flies around OBC, which is why I love the Super Bowl Pool, the NCAA tourny, the Christmas Exchange, etc. So I'd like to propose another one and see if anybody is interested. I've picked out ten college bowl games ten different days. To enter, you will have to pick the winner of each game (straight up, with no point spreads). If you win the first game, you move on to your second game. If you lose, you're out. If by some chance we have a say the last two people pick seven in a row and both lose the eigth, we'll have a total pointtiebreaker. So bottom line - you'll submit your winners for ten games below and a point value for your tiebreaker (which applies to all games, not a specific one). Here's the games I picked: 26 Dec -- Little Cesear's Bowl 27 Dec -- Independence Bowl 28 Dec -- Insight Bowl 29 Dec -- Texas Bowl 30 Dec -- Music City Bowl 31 Dec -- Sun Bowl 1 Jan -- Rose Bowl 3 Jan -- Orange Bowl 4 Jan -- Sugar Bowl 7 Jan -- National Championship Game As you can see, there is only one game a day, which I liked better thanpicking a bunch on the same day. That will keep the interest up longer, I hope, and make me interested in watching aC-USA vs Big Sky matchup.So how doyou you ask? You will send me a pre-1981 card worth about $20, your 10 picks, your tie-breaker point total. The card doesn't have to be pretty - if it's beater and "books" for $200, it's a $20 card. If it's "mint" and books for it's a $20 card. Basically, if I could get it for $20 on Ebay, it's a $20 card. I only want a single card because I don't want to get stuck mailing a ton of cards to the winner. Is anybody interested in this contest? If so, shoot me a "yes, indeedy" and I get at least 10 folks to play, I'll put out the call to send your card tome. Obviously, we can't pick the teams yet, but it won't be long! If I don'tget people to play, then as the great Rosanne Rossanadana once said, "Never mind..." Take Care, ================= Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 21:47:15 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Shriners show Hey Steve, I expect to be there from 10 - 3 or so. Look forward to catching you there! On Wed, Nov 3, 2010 at 8:30 PM, Steve Rittenberg wrote: > I am coming up to Boston for the weekend with my wife and hope to see > some OBCers at the Shriners show. I read that Jim Hatch will be there > Saturday afternoon. Is anyone else coming on Saturday? We are > spending Sunday at the Cape. > Steve > cell/text 256-585-4329 ================= To: "Grant Rainsley" , Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2010 23:42:16 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Postal Slides .... ..... - - - Re: [OBC-Thanks] The Scooter slides into Powell River... Sssshhhhhhh, Grant !!! Hush, my friend; you know better than to speak poorly of your postal carriers because if you do, you risk possibility of NEVER seeing another package delivered to you again, for as long as you live! Don't go there ... ... ... ----- Original Message ----- From: Grant Rainsley To: OBC-thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 03, 2010 5:58 PM Subject: [OBC-Thanks] The Scooter slides into Powell River... Thanks out to Ken Pillion for a '54 of Phil Rizzuto...nice little addition to the new set..and Canada Post outdid their futility record again in arranging for the Scooter arrive..anybody want to swap postal carriers??? ================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 15:19:08 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Thomas Elliott Subject: Anybody trade with Jerry Hoover? Thanks for the information, everybody. Tom Elliott ================= Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 23:23:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Farewell, Sparky I was saddened this afternoon to read of the passing of Sparky Anderson. I know all of you Tiger fans are also saddened at his death. It's hard to believe - for this Reds fan - that The Main Spark actually spent many more years managing the Tigers than he did our beloved Redlegs - but to me, he'll always be a Red, and the finest our team has ever had. And although I never met him, he was genuinely a nice man. Only the passing of Joe Nuxhall had the same effect on Reds fans. Farewell, Sparky. We'll miss you. Somewhere in heaven, Sparky is arguing with an umpire, his hands stuffed into his back pockets. And he's winning theargument. ================= Date: Thu, 4 Nov 2010 19:44:45 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Tom Housley From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell, Sparky I read yesterday that Sparky was not doing well. I had a feeling that his time was short. My eyes welled up as I started thinking of how much he meantto me as the Manager of The Big Red Machine. He was a big part of my childhood. I am deeply saddened by the loss of Sparky Anderson. He meant a greatdeal to many Reds and Tigers fans, as well as the Baseball world. I too, was surprised that he managed longer for the Tigers than he did for my Reds. He brought us to the World Series 4 times and won back to back WS in 75 and 76. Sparky , we will miss you! God Bless John Stamper --- On Thu, 11/4/10, Tom Housley wrote: From: Tom Housley Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell, Sparky To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 4:23 PM I was saddened this afternoon to read of the passing of Sparky Anderson. I know all of you Tiger fans are also saddened at his death. It's hard to believe - for this Reds fan - that The Main Spark actually spent many more years managing the Tigers than he did our beloved Redlegs - but to me, he'll always be a Red, and the finest our team has ever had. And although I never met him, he was genuinely a nice man. Only the passing of Joe Nuxhall had the same effect on Reds fans. Farewell, Sparky. We'll miss you. Somewhere in heaven, Sparky is arguing with an umpire, his hands stuffed into his back pockets. And he's winning theargument. ================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 09:31:53 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: eBay lot with 1940 PB Moe Berg and Yeunglings cards Hey all, This lot has group scans, but no real descriptions. Pretty sure the Mo Berg and Yeunglings cards are on someone's list. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250718740641#ht_5120wt_1141 ================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 10:56:09 -0400 (EDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell, Sparky Could not say it any better. Loved Sparky & the Big Red Machine. ================= Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 11:38:28 -0400 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Farewell, Sparky A last word from Sparky on the baseball press... http://www.youtube.com/watch?vFgJ2jFVp1bc On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 10:56 AM, wrote: > Could not say it any better. > Loved Sparky & the Big Red Machine. > Gersh ================= Date: Sat, 06 Nov 2010 20:26:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Eureka! plastic pages for 51 & 52 Bowman Hey gang, I was at Staples today & saw their 10-pocket plastic pages designed to holdbusiness cards. I took a close look & thought they looked pretty similar to the '51 & '52 Bowman card sizes, so I picked up a 10-pack & brought it home - and lo & behold, the '51 & '52 Bowman cards fit perfectly in the pockets. I'm sure someone has already discovered this - but just in case you haven't& are looking for pages for the little guys, stop by your local office supply store. The ones I picked up are PVC free, latex free, acid free, archival ================= Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 22:58:44 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Fwd: OBC From: "\"UNCLE DICK\" DECOURCY" To: Subject: OBC Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 22:05:31 -0400 HEY BROCK HOPE YOU GOT PAST YOUR BIG SHRIMP FEST OK JUST CHECKED OBC AND DONT SEE ME LISTED YET. IN CHICAGO (2 WEEKS ) ISEE A LOT OF OBC FOLKS HOPRFULLY I AM LISTED BY THEN THANKS FOR YOUR HELP. ================= Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:57:59 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Subject: GBSCC "Shriner's Show" report For the first time in at least 10 years I was not able to make the opening bell for the show on Saturday. Due to a morning conflict, I got to the show a few minutes before noon. For me the most logical and logistical place to go first was Ron Vitro's table in the first row. Ron is one of the all time hobby good guys and always has an excellent selection of pre-war material. No sooner did I pull a $15 E93 Addie Joss when my OBC bretheren started to surround me: Steve Rittenberg, Sean McGowan and Spike Glidden. Even though I made it for the annual noon lunch everyone appeared to be making the rounds. So Spike and I, who I later found out arrived moments after me, caught up with each other and made up for some lost time at the show. A bit later, we found Richard Dingman hitting his lists, too. Richard says hi to me and hands me a nice looking 1962 Topps hit! Muchos gracias senor! This show seemed to have a few more 'bargain boxes' than in recent years. What's more, these 'bargain boxes' actually yielded some bargains. One half-off box netted me a T212 Obak and my first Red Sun! OK, so the Red Sun is a T226 Boxer, but half off the reasonable sticker price plus the dealer knocked off an extra ten-spot for the pair made it a pretty sweet deal. At another box of 25 cent cards I found a mittful of 72 high numbers including the Ogilvie/Cey RC which I actually needed! Other nice finds of mine included a 1961 Golden Press Speaker and a 1968(?) Topps Oscar Robertson poster...still in tact even! As we do most every year, Spike and I go through piles, boxes and binders of cards, swapping stories and memories of cardboard heroes, villians and oddities which I find most enjoyable. For me, this show is maybe half about the cards and half catching up with other OBC'ers and some of the dealers that I have come to know over the last 25 years. Case in point: my best take from the show came out of Spike's dupe box: an OBC #5 (of course) card of himself! Since I didn't have any crayons, I asked Spike to sign it in ball point pen. He didn't seem too thrilled with the signature so I told him to try it again - I didn't mind :-) Bucky Jackson says... A small sample of dealer's said that this show wasn't too good for them. Although tables were once again sold out, it didn't seem like there were as many patrons as there have been in the past. Tough economical times will do that I suppose. But as long as the shows goes on I will continue to go, buy a few cards, shake some hands and share a few laughs. Isn't that what an enjoyable hobby should be? Happy Collecting! ================= To: Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 18:16:36 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC "Shriner's Show" report I also missed the 9am start of the Shriner's show, but not by much, arriving about 5 minutes later from my home, an 85 mile drive away. Surprisingly,the only parking was out on the street, so it was a short walk to the door. For the last 2 years I had been used to getting in free (since I turned 62), but this past spring they changed their minds and charged all us oldsters $7, and they weren't listening to any pleading. This year, I had prepared myself by visiting their webpage and copying off the part that said "seniors free", and I was ready to argue. Fortunately, I did not need it as they let me right in. Ahh, there is something good about getting old! So I'm in, and instead of first circling the room to get the lay of the land, I charged right into the first bargain boxes I find. And there were several more than I expected. Not bad ones either, as I found a '57 vg commonand several Topps upgrades for a quarter each, and then a '61 hi # and a '66 hi # for a buck each, all vgx shape. I also found a few '71, '72 and '75 stars for my 2nd sets for between 20 and 25 cents each, and near the end of the day, a handful of early Bowmans, '48s - '51s, for about 2-3$ each. All in all, I came away with 45 cards for about 35$. After a couple hours I ran into Bob Donaldson, and then Jim Hatch and Spike Glidden. Later alsoSean McGowan, and then Steve Rittenberg with his wife on a New England holiday. I also managed an important and nagging errand for a dear old friend, who was given a box of miscellaneous baseball memorabilia and scraggly autographs and wanted to sell them. He knew nothing about cards and so he sent themto me, asking me to do what I could. I had neglected to bother doing thisat the National and so I shopped them around at Ron V's and some others and finally sold them to Pat at Savage's booth, who was pleasant and willing to pay me more than anyone else, and more than I actually expected. While browsing one table loaded with 25 cent and 1$ boxes, Jim H mentioned he had been toying with the idea of starting a set in which every card had writing on the front, but each card could be from any year, post 1956. It sounded interesting and fun, and seeing as I had been seeing a lot of miscut cards at the moment, I thought that might be fun to do a set with mc cards. So check out my webpage, as I will soon be adding a new set to work on.The mis-cut set: Cards from any year post 1956, any condition, but all mis-cut It was a cool fall day and attendance seemed light to moderate. A couple dealers told me they were doing good, but things felt slow to me. Still it was fun to once again have the chance to root through bins of cards, my first opportunity since Baltimore, and the day flew quickly by. But I am definitely out of show shape as my neck began to ache only halfway through the day. OK, there are some things not so good about getting old. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2010 21:57:59 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC "Shriner's Show" report For the first time in at least 10 years I was not able to make the opening bell for the show on Saturday. Due to a morning conflict, I got to the show a few minutes before noon. For me the most logical and logistical place to go first was Ron Vitro's table in the first row. Ron is one of the all time hobby good guys and always has an excellent selection of pre-war material. No sooner did I pull a $15 E93 Addie Joss when my OBC bretheren started to surround me: Steve Rittenberg, Sean McGowan and Spike Glidden. Even though I made it for the annual noon lunch everyone appeared to be making the rounds. So Spike and I, who I later found out arrived moments after me,caught up with each other and made up for some lost time at the show. A bit later, we found Richard Dingman hitting his lists, too. Richard says hito me and hands me a nice looking 1962 Topps hit! Muchos gracias senor! This show seemed to have a few more 'bargain boxes' than in recent years. What's more, these 'bargain boxes' actually yielded some bargains. One half-off box netted me a T212 Obak and my first Red Sun! OK, so the Red Sun is a T226 Boxer, but half off the reasonable sticker price plus the dealer knocked off an extra ten-spot for the pair made it a pretty sweet deal. At another box of 25 cent cards I found a mittful of 72 high numbers includingthe Ogilvie/Cey RC which I actually needed! Other nice finds of mine included a 1961 Golden Press Speaker and a 1968(?) Topps Oscar Robertson poster...still in tact even! As we do most every year, Spike and I go through piles, boxes and binders of cards, swapping stories and memories of cardboard heroes, villians and oddities which I find most enjoyable. For me, this show is maybe half about the cards and half catching up with other OBC'ers and some of the dealers that I have come to know over the last 25 years. Case in point: my best take from the show came out of Spike's dupe box: an OBC #5 (of course) card ofhimself! Since I didn't have any crayons, I asked Spike to sign it in ball point pen. He didn't seem too thrilled with the signature so I told him to try it again - I didn't mind :-) Bucky Jackson says... A small sample of dealer's said that this show wasn't too good for them. Although tables were once again sold out, it didn't seem like there were as many patrons as there have been in the past. Tough economical times will do that I suppose. But as long as the shows goes on I will continue to go, buy a few cards, shake some hands and share a few laughs. Isn't that what an enjoyable hobby should be? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 04:36:21 -0800 (PST) To: Barb Codere , From: Glenn Codere Subject: The Last Round Well, my 2010 golf season has finally come to an end, finishing up with 3 days (Nov 3-5) at Machrihanish Dunes and Machrihanish Golf Club in the Mull Of Kintyre on Scotland's west coast. We got some pretty wild weather - wind and rain.....well, what else would you expect from Scotland in November? - butmy buddies and I had a blast. I've playedsome of my best golf ever this year, thanks to making use of a couple of tips that I picked up and acted upon. Despite the weather, it allcame together these past 3 days. On Wednesday, I scored 28 Stableford points in only 13 holes at the Dunes before the weather drove us in. On Thursday (again atthe Dunes course), invery breezy conditions and driving rain, I kept the ball and picked up 33 points. Friday, though, was my best day of all. At Machrihanish Golf Club, in 30mph winds (andheavy driving rain for the first 5 holes),I managed to shoot a 1 over 5's 91, gathering 35 points along the way. These two course are both tough SOBs, and this 20-handicapper was MORE than happy!! I'm hitting the ball so well at the moment- driving straight about 270-300, hitting some nice approaches, putting reasonably well -that I'm sorry tosee the season end, but the weather is definitely closing in so its time to hang the clubs until March or so. I hope I can pick up where I left off!! ps It was also the first outing for my new plus-fours. Pretty snazzy, huh? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 15:51:15 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] GBSCC "Shriner's Show" report Good to see several OBCers at the Saturday show! Jim Hatch gave a nice run-down of our card searching, which produced interesting hits, including these highlights. - T206 McGraw for ~$25 + 5 others for $5 each - 1964 Venezuelan and 1970 Topps high # in a quarter box - 4 hits to 1969 Supers - Allen & Ginter for ~$10 (Capt Bogardus) - E91 American Caramel w/Toy Town stamp for ~$10 - R348 Enos Slaughter ~$7 Grabbed a bunch of other cheap cards for the dupes box. Multiple dealers reported slow sales, but at least one said he was doing great because he'd adjusted prices to match the down economy. Some know their business better than others! Also saw Steve Rittenberg and Sean McGowan at several points and special thanks to Richard Dingman for putting my 1952 Topps on his tab--I'll have to follow up by mail after failing to find him again later in the show. :-) On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 4:57 PM, wrote: > This show seemed to have a few more 'bargain boxes' than in recent years. > What's more, these 'bargain boxes' actually yielded some bargains. One > half-off box netted me a T212 Obak and my first Red Sun! OK, so the Red Sun > is a T226 Boxer, but half off the reasonable sticker price plus the dealer > knocked off an extra ten-spot for the pair made it a pretty sweet deal. At > another box of 25 cent cards I found a mittful of 72 high numbers including > the Ogilvie/Cey RC which I actually needed! Other nice finds of mine > included a 1961 Golden Press Speaker and a 1968(?) Topps Oscar Robertson > poster...still in tact even! ================= Date: Tue, 09 Nov 2010 03:34:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "welfar03" Subject: 1971-72 Topps Basketball Hey guys I finally found my stash of 71-72 Topps Basketball. If anyone is working on that set send me your list. Cards are in mostly VG+ condition and I have a few HOFers. I don't have any extra stckers from that set as I am working on it myself. Be sure to send your address. Take Care Ken P ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:41:11 -0500 From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: Ebay Question I am considering bidding for a card, but the seller only has a 2 positive feedback. The auction says that ebay buyer protection applies. Has anyone used ebay buyer protection successfully? Does anyone know of any reason not to rely on ebay buyer protection? Jeffrey Delott ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:37:18 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Renteria Pretty classy move by Oscar Renteria I thought, turning down all plans for a parade etc. in his native Columbia, with a request that all attention, time and money that would have been planned for that be focused on the floods that are devastating the country. Quite a few "Big Leaguers" could take a lesson from him. Class act. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:49:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rjsharks" Subject: Bob sent me cards from the Post set. Which Bob? I just received some cool Post and Post Canadien cards. No return address. Please let me know if you sent them Randy Welk ================= Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2010 23:38:34 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: The end of my baseball childhood, Dave Niehaus passes away at 75 Hi all, Really saddened to hear of Dave Niehaus' passing today. As the last original Mariner employee, he's an amazing connection back to my earliest baseball memories and the team's eventual run of success. So glad Dave reached the Hall of Fame's broadcaster wing during his lifetime! RIP. One entertaining moment from 2008: http://mynorthwest.com/?nid=374&sid=218287 ================= To: glidden.matthew@gmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:27:09 -0500 (EST) From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The end of my baseball childhood, Dave Niehaus passes Very sad...some of his calls were classics but my favorite one still is during a slow game in the '80s the camera man pans the crowd. Dave mentions that a young couple of fans are enjoying the game. His call goes something like this "Ah...isn't that sweet. After every pitch they kiss. After a strike he kisses her and she kisses him on the balls." Then silence for a few seconds and then laughter...loved Dave! -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Glidden To: obc ramblings Sent: Wed, Nov 10, 2010 8:38 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The end of my baseball childhood, Dave Niehaus passes away at 75 Hi all, Really saddened to hear of Dave Niehaus' passing today. As the last original Mariner employee, he's an amazing connection back to my earliest baseballmemories and the team's eventual run of success. So glad Dave reached the Hall of Fame's broadcaster wing during his lifetime! RIP. One entertaining moment from 2008: http://mynorthwest.com/?nid374&sid218287 ================= Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 01:44:19 -0500 To: card variations , From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Question about 1951 Bowman #46 George Kell Hi all, Recently upgraded my #46 Kell and realized the back of both cards says "No. 46 in the 1941 SERIES," instead of the expected "1951 SERIES." Checked the rest of my 1951 set and no other players say "1941 SERIES," so assume Kell it's an uncorrected error. Just in case, anyone have a "1951 SERIES" Kell card? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 09:27:53 -0500 From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: Ebay Question Thanks to everyone for your responses. Jeffrey Delott ================= To: Date: Thu, 11 Nov 2010 22:09:50 -0600 From: "Mark Zentkovich" Subject: Baseball History Podcast For those of you into baseball history, here is a podcast that is very informative. The delivery is kind of dry, but content is very nice, especially of the older pre war players I was not familiar with.. http://baseballhistorypodcast.com/ http://home.earthlink.net/~mzentko/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2010 18:24:17 -0500 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: anyone want to split a 1955 topps bowman lot? I've been offered about 150-200 1955 topps and bowman commons in vg for $1.50 per card. anybody want to split by buying the ones that I don't need atthe same price? There will probably be duplicates To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit www.RobFitts.com ================= To: "'OBC Ramblings'" Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 14:11:37 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Coin advice....any numismatists out there? Hi gang..right off the bat I admit I am ignorant about coin collecting and the industry, so any input is welcome. Here's the deal..I have a couple of 1881 gold US $5 Liberty coins that to me at least look to be in outstanding condition. I just looked them up on Evilbay, and they are indeed worth some bucks, maybe several hundred, but apart from looking at them and recognizing that they are coins, I really don't have much knowledge about grading etc. I see there is an outfit named NGC that grades, but they want a minimum of 5 coins submitted at a time, and it gets expensive from Canada. Damned if I am going to go out there and buy 3 more so I can get these graded. Anybody got any ideas? Thanks, Grant ================= Date: Sat, 13 Nov 2010 20:46:58 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Don Rice Subject: Looking for one small bit of info... Gang-
Thought I was down to one need in the 69T Baseball mini-albums, only to discover that in addition to album #16 Pilots, due to a...  ahem... personal accounting error, I also need album #11. Although these cards are clearly numbered, all checklists I can find are simply alphabetical, with no mention of album numbers. Can someone check their collection and let me know which team mini-album is actually album #11? Thanks! Don ================= Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2010 03:40:43 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bowl Season Challenge, Part II OBCers -- OK, I've refined the rules a bit and I'm ready to kick off the Bowl Season Challenge, albiet a bit early. I've picked 10 Bowl games on 10 differentdays, all you have to do is pickthe winner. Everyone who enters will get two "lives," so you will at least make it to the Independence Bowl. Once youmiss twice, you're out. If more than one person makes it all the way to the BCS Championship, then the first tie-breaker is if they've lost a "life" along the way or not, the second will be the point total. So how do you enter? Send me ONE card, worth about $10-$15 or so. Last time I think I said $20, but I want more people to play. To make it even for everyone, the card has to be pre-1981 and actually be WORTH about $10-$15 if you wereto look it up in that condition. For instance, a beater that books for $100is fine...a VG card that books for $10 is not. Also, it's just ONE card...not bunch that add up to $10-$15. Here's the schedule: 26 Dec -- Little Cesear's Bowl 27 Dec -- Independence Bowl 28 Dec -- Insight Bowl 29 Dec -- Texas Bowl 30 Dec -- Music City Bowl 31 Dec -- Sun Bowl 1 Jan -- Rose Bowl 3 Jan -- Orange Bowl 4 Jan -- Sugar Bowl 7 Jan -- National Championship Game Send me your card whenever you like. I'll put out the call for your picks in a couple weeks when the match-ups come out. Let me know if you have any Take Care, ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , "Geordie Calvert" Date: Tue, 16 Nov 2010 10:09:38 -0500 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] set completed: T206 Brooklyn Superbas!!! Congrats Geordie!! Finishing any prewar project is a major accomplishment.Dahlen is one of few remaining t205's I need 'to finish my basic set and is also a short print. What's your next prewar project? On Tue 16/11/10 3:08 AM , Geordie Calvert dodgergeo@comcast.net sent: > bah - messed up the link - here's an updated one:Geordie\'s prewar > Brooklyn collection (plus links to postwar) [1] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geordie Calvert" > To: "OBC Ramblings" > Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2010 12:05:56 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] set completed: T206 Brooklyn Superbas!!! > Hi gang - I don't post very much any more - been a very long time in > fact. At any rate, I wanted to share my excitement in finally > finishing up my T206 Brooklyn Superbas set!! > The toughest card in the set arrived today. As the T206 guys know, > Bill Dahlen's Brooklyn pose is really tough to find (the Boston pose > is plentiful), and I'm pretty happy with the one I picked up. I > started this set at least 10 years ago, and as my interest in modern > stuff started to wane (yeah, I started playing with UV a little - > mostly the retro sets), I finally got serious about finishing up a > few prewar sets. I finished up the '33 Goudey Dodgers a couple > months ago, and I'm very happy to complete this one. > I'm going to try to attach a copy of the overall set in this message > - in case it doesn't take, I set up an online gallery of my vintage > Dodger collectionGeordie\'s prewar Brooklyn collection (plus links to > postwar) [2] > Links: > ------ > [1] http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm > [2] > http://http://home.comcast.net/~dodgergeo/dodgercollection/prewar.htm ================= Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 02:46:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: Northwest show Good day at the show this last sunday. Set up to meet a gentleman that I got the 52 high numbers from because he up graded some at the national and ended up getting 4 more from him as well as some low numbers and 7-51 topps blue backs. I walked in the door and the gentleman said you just made it in time for our drawing it will be in a minute. I said great and started looking at the first table then they had a drawing for 75$ to spend at the show.They called my number and I haven't even been in the room 2 minutes SWEET.Talked to Mark Macrae and got some cards from him. For a short time at a show I got plenty of hits to the list 7-51 blue backs,24-52 topps 6 were high- spahn-rizzuto,10 53 topps,4-48 bowman,4-49 bowman and 2 51's. All in allgraet day at the show for being there about one and a half hours. Rick ================= To: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 15:30:27 -0500 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: 1950 Bowman lot I just purchased a lot of 1950 Bowman baseball in Poor-VG condition- averaging Fair/good with creases, tape on corners, writing on some cards etc. Not a pretty lot but also not too ugly. Most cards would look fine in a OBCers collection. I'm looking for somebody who might want to split the lot bytaking the doubles. There are 57 commons - no real stars - and they wouldcost $1 each or $57. anybody interested? To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit www.RobFitts.com ================= To: Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 17:38:58 -0500 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: 1950 bowmans are all gone To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit www.RobFitts.com ================= To: Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2010 13:40:37 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: hoops question I went to a flea market sale this morning, just down the street from home...lots of junk of course, but some nice cards too...the one that piqued my interest was the 1977-78Topps basketball...VERY NICE condition, all with green backs, full set, and collated. The owner wanted 75, which seemed fair to me, but I'm not much of a hoops collector So...does anyone have interest in these? Does anyone agree that 75 is a decent price? They are ex-mt for sure maybe higher...all the stars of the set look real nice. LMK, he'll be there tomorrow too, but the cards may not be... OBC Forever ================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 18:47:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collectsBilly Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started to make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I geta Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:03:22 -0800 (PST) To: Linda From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? If you have not heard by now, Grant Rainsley is the Hoeft collector. Heis alsothe selfproclaimed #1 Billy fan and founder ofthe Billyclub (although I'm not sure Mounties carry them). At any rate I am proud to say that for quite some time I was the only other memberof the The Official Billy HoeftFan Club until Mike "the King of Odd Balls" Rich bribed his way in.But that's probably more info than you need or want."we keep what we give away!" From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collects Billy Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started tomake up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I get a Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain playersand I want to know who to send them to. ================= To: "Linda" , Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:22:28 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Earl, before Constable Grumpy Grant jumps in to both correct you and kick you out of the exclusive club...he wasn't a Mountie, and has some disdain for that branch of enforcement. Grant retired from the Vancouver Police Department, having rode a steed named Pico for the last few years (when we all met Ask for the story of how Billy Hoeft (RIP) became Grant's favorite, but open a cold can of Kokanee first. Not for you, or I but certainly for Grant. I search around all the time for Billy Hoeft items, strangely elusive as they may be...so while I can't send our fine Canadian friend anything most ofthe time...I can still send the occasional barb and insult, that bad habitinduced by spending time with a coffee crazed islander named Diamanti and the long lost patron saint of "taking the scenic route" ...Mr Cummings. Aw...its snowing in SW Washington today, so I found some time to report. OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: EEK To: Linda Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? If you have not heard by now, Grant Rainsley is the Hoeft collector. He is also the self proclaimed #1 Billy fan and founder of the Billy club (although I'm not sure Mounties carry them). At any rate I am proud to say that for quite some time I was the only other member of the The Official Billy Hoeft Fan Club until Mike "the King of Odd Balls" Rich bribed his way in. But that's probably more info than you need or want. "we keep what we give away!" From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collects Billy Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have startedto make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I get a Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= To: Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:29:18 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Pre-War Trading I've the following pre-war (Korean War) available to trade. Looking for pre-war on my wantlist or possibly high priority post war cards (67 Hi nums, 67 Red Sox Stickers,etc.) T205 Wheat BVG Auth paper loss back front has a image somewhat overlayed wheat is very visable though, Hemphill SGC 10, Wolter SGC 10, both look g to me, Egan SGC 20 writing on back front is vg/ex, Abbaticchio SGC 10, Scott G, Dickson P punch hole, White PLOF, McConnel small hole, Breshnahan G small glue residue on back 1921 Exhibit Boxing Tommy Burns F/G crease 1933 Goudey 1 Bennough F, Fred Frankhouse back is skinned 1930's Match books (Green border) Myatt, Shoun, (Red Border, all Cubs) Stainback, Demaree, Jurges, Davis, Frey 1935 Goudey (4-1, cut into individual players) ~55 total, some HOFers 1939 Play Ball (name written on front) 11 13 18 22 28 39 40 42 46 49 57 59 64 65 69 72 75 84 86 88 91 97 100 108 109 111 115 152 hi num 1939 Play Ball most are vg 9, 14, 17, 87 p, 95, 109, 110, 111 f/g, 129 Hi Num Ex 1941 Double Play (cut in half) 57 (Williams) 68 (Ruffing) 83 (J Gordon ) 84 102 103 109 119 (L Waner) 120 121 122 139 143 144 1941 Double Play 1, 2, 1941 Playball 47 f/g slight crease, color faded 1948 Leaf 17 trimmed, 22 vgex, 57 ex, 83 (Doerr) Ex, 128 vg, 159 g Thanks for looking ================= To: "'Brian Lindholme'" , Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 16:42:48 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Astute observation Brian, and it is true, I wasn=E2=99t a Mountie, I wasa real cop. Not that I am overly insensitive to being called a Mountie, not hardly. Well, okay, a little bit. And Linda, you can always take a look at the OBC Hall of Mediocrity to findout just which obscure players some of us are interested in. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lindholme Sent: November 21, 2010 4:22 PM To: Linda; EEK Cc: OBCRamblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Earl, before Constable Grumpy Grant jumps in to both correct you and kick you out of the exclusive club...he wasn't a Mountie, and has some disdain for that branch of enforcement. Grant retired from the Vancouver Police Department, having rode a steed named Pico for the last few years (when we all met Ask for the story of how Billy Hoeft (RIP) became Grant's favorite, but open a cold can of Kokanee first. Not for you, or I but certainly for Grant. I search around all the time for Billy Hoeft items, strangely elusive as they may be...so while I can't send our fine Canadian friend anything most ofthe time...I can still send the occasional barb and insult, that bad habitinduced by spending time with a coffee crazed islander named Diamanti and the long lost patron saint of "taking the scenic route" ...Mr Cummings. Aw...its snowing in SW Washington today, so I found some time to report. OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: EEK To: Linda Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? If you have not heard by now, Grant Rainsley is the Hoeft collector. He is also the self proclaimed #1 Billy fan and founder of the Billy club (although I'm not sure Mounties carry them). At any rate I am proud to say that for quite some time I was the only other member of the The Official Billy Hoeft Fan Club until Mike "the King of Odd Balls" Rich bribed his way in. But that's probably more info than you need or want. "we keep what we give away!" From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collectsBilly Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started to make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I geta Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:43:39 +0000 (UTC) To: Grant Rainsley From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I made the same mistake once. And only once. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Rainsley" To: "Brian Lindholme" , "Linda" , "EEK" Cc: "OBCRamblings" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:42:48 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Astute observation Brian, and it is true, I wasn=E2=99t a Mountie, I wasa real cop. Not that I am overly insensitive to being called a Mountie, not hardly. Well, okay, a little bit. And Linda, you can always take a look at the OBC Hall of Mediocrity to findout just which obscure players some of us are interested in. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lindholme Sent: November 21, 2010 4:22 PM To: Linda; EEK Cc: OBCRamblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Earl, before Constable Grumpy Grant jumps in to both correct you and kick you out of the exclusive club...he wasn't a Mountie, and has some disdain for that branch of enforcement. Grant retired from the Vancouver Police Department, having rode a steed named Pico for the last few years (when we all met Ask for the story of how Billy Hoeft (RIP) became Grant's favorite, but open a cold can of Kokanee first. Not for you, or I but certainly for Grant. I search around all the time for Billy Hoeft items, strangely elusive as they may be...so while I can't send our fine Canadian friend anything most ofthe time...I can still send the occasional barb and insult, that bad habitinduced by spending time with a coffee crazed islander named Diamanti and the long lost patron saint of "taking the scenic route" ...Mr Cummings. Aw...its snowing in SW Washington today, so I found some time to report. OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: EEK To: Linda Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? If you have not heard by now, Grant Rainsley is the Hoeft collector. He is also the self proclaimed #1 Billy fan and founder of the Billy club (although I'm not sure Mounties carry them). At any rate I am proud to say that for quite some time I was the only other member of the The Official Billy Hoeft Fan Club until Mike "the King of Odd Balls" Rich bribed his way in. But that's probably more info than you need or want. "we keep what we give away!" From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collectsBilly Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started to make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I geta Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 19:56:17 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: OBC Hall of Mediocrity ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 02:31:09 +0000 (UTC) To: richard dingman From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Hall of Mediocrity Richard, here ya go :) http://oldbaseball.com/hom.html ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard dingman" Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:56:17 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Hall of Mediocrity OK, where does one find this? To: grains@shaw.ca CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; familytoad@comcast.net; jazzgirl1920s@aol.com; From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 00:43:39 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I made the same mistake once. And only once. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Rainsley" To: "Brian Lindholme" , "Linda" , "EEK" Cc: "OBCRamblings" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:42:48 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Astute observation Brian, and it is true, I wasn=E2=99t a Mountie, I wasa real cop. Not that I am overly insensitive to being called a Mountie, not hardly. Well, okay, a little bit. And Linda, you can always take a look at the OBC Hall of Mediocrity to findout just which obscure players some of us are interested in. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lindholme Sent: November 21, 2010 4:22 PM To: Linda; EEK Cc: OBCRamblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Earl, before Constable Grumpy Grant jumps in to both correct you and kick you out of the exclusive club...he wasn't a Mountie, and has some disdain for that branch of enforcement. Grant retired from the Vancouver Police Department, having rode a steed named Pico for the last few years (when we all met Ask for the story of how Billy Hoeft (RIP) became Grant's favorite, but open a cold can of Kokanee first. Not for you, or I but certainly for Grant. I search around all the time for Billy Hoeft items, strangely elusive as they may be...so while I can't send our fine Canadian friend anything most ofthe time...I can still send the occasional barb and insult, that bad habitinduced by spending time with a coffee crazed islander named Diamanti and the long lost patron saint of "taking the scenic route" ...Mr Cummings. Aw...its snowing in SW Washington today, so I found some time to report. OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: EEK To: Linda Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? If you have not heard by now, Grant Rainsley is the Hoeft collector. He is also the self proclaimed #1 Billy fan and founder of the Billy club (although I'm not sure Mounties carry them). At any rate I am proud to say that for quite some time I was the only other member of the The Official Billy Hoeft Fan Club until Mike "the King of Odd Balls" Rich bribed his way in. But that's probably more info than you need or want. "we keep what we give away!" From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collectsBilly Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started to make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I geta Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 02:53:25 +0000 (UTC) To: Linda From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Hello Linda, The HOM is a good source of finding favorite players that guys i the group collect including Billy Hoeft. The followingwill give you a very good start to developing a list of players guys collect: Mark Belanger MLB 1965-1982 Nominated by: Sean McGowan Gus Bell MLB 1950-1964 Nominated by: Greg Miller Bob Boone MLB 1972-1990 Nominated by: Joshua Levine Clete Boyer MLB 1955-1971 Nominated by: George Pizzo Bill Buckner MLB 1969-1990 Nominated by: Pat Sweeney Jose Cardenal MLB 1963-1980 Nominated by: Joel Glickman Norm Cash MLB 1958-1974 Nominated by: Mark Talbot Dean Chance MLB 1961-1971 Nominated by: Bob Reed Bubba Church MLB 1950-1955 Nominated by: Rick Redpath Dave Concepcion MLB 1970-1988 Nominated by: Tom Housley Vic Davalillo MLB 1972-1990 Nominated by: Andy Cook Walt Dubiel MLB 1944-1952 Nominated by: George Vrechek Ryne Duren MLB 1954-1965 Nominated by: John Collins Woody English MLB 1927-1938 Nominated by: Jeff Sackmann Mark Fidrych MLB 1976-1980 Nominated by: John McLaughlin Oscar Gamble MLB 1969-1985 Nominated by: Erik Greenwood Sid Gordon MLB 1941-1955 Nominated by: Andy Baran Johnny Groth MLB 1946-1960 Nominated by: "Bama" Harrell Johnny Grubb MLB 1972-1987 Nominated by: Lynn Miller Stan Hack MLB 1932-1947 Nominated by: Wayne Delia Woodie Held MLB 1954-1969 Nominated by: Bill Malson Billy Hoeft MLB 1952-1966 Nominated by: Grant Rainsley Bob Horner MLB 1978-1988 Nominated by: Jimmy Parker Willie Horton MLB 1963-1980 Nominated by: Mike Rich Kent Hrbek MLB 1981-1994 Nominated by: Mac Wubben Jay Johnstone MLB 1966-1985 Nominated by: Jim Beauchemin Willie Jones MLB 1947-1961 Nominated by: Jim Wiehe Darold Knowles MLB 1967-1980 Nominated by: Todd Knowles Jim Konstanty MLB 1944-1956 Nominated by: Peter Mead Bill Lee MLB 1969-1982 Nominated by: Chris Stufflestreet Phil Linz MLB 1962-1968 Nominated by: Brian Lindholme Gene Mauch MLB 1944-1957 Honorary HOM Manager Charlie Maxwell MLB 1950-1964 Nominated by: Earl Kilbourn Dick McAuliffe MLB 1960-1975 Nominated by: Glenn Codere Tug McGraw MLB 1965-1984 Nominated by: Yuk Chow Roy McMillan MLB 1951-1966 Nominated by: Bob Schaub Don Mincher MLB 1960-1972 Nominated by: Matt Shirley Rick Monday MLB 1966-1984 Nominated by: Geordie Calvert Bobby Murcer MLB 1965-1983 Nominated by: Bill Wolpmann Jim Nash MLB 1966-1972 Nominated by: Keith Summers Jimmy Piersall MLB 1950-1967 Nominated by: Dan Austin Vada Pinson MLB 1958-1975 Nominated by: Andy Kimball Jamie Quirk MLB 1975-1992 Nominated by: "Spike" Glidden "Pistol" Pete Reiser MLB 1941-1952 Nominated by: Brian Betza Rick Reuschel MLB 1972-1991 Nominated by: "Skel" Skelley Ron Santo MLB 1960-1974 Nominated by: Geno Wagner Charlie Silvera MLB 1948-1957 Nominated by: Rick Ellison Reggie Smith MLB 1966-1982 Nominated by: Dick Cummings Mickey Stanley MLB 1964-1978 Nominated by: Mike Mroz Wayne Terwilliger MLB 1949-1960 Nominated by: David Skoglund Dickie Thon MLB 1979-1993 Nominated by: Howard Morgan Gus Triandos MLB 1953-1965 Nominated by: John Ball III Zoilo Versalles MLB 1959-1971 Nominated by: Doug DeJong Don Zimmer MLB 19??-19?? Nominated by: Neal Thomas Now add to the list Rick S. and his shrine to all things Johnny Callison and you have a great start to your list - GOOD LUCK!!!! REGARDS ----------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collectsBilly Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started to make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when I geta Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collects that player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2010 23:41:25 -0800 (PST) To: Linda , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Linda, et al, Just to be clear, despite my own HOM nominee (Dick McAuliffe), I am - as most you know - always on the look out for Bobby Thomson items. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 11:25:32 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: obc dealers i went to the sun times show on saturday, and was pretty embarrassed when "uncle dick"decourcy asked me why he still wasn't on the favorite dealers i know he has been endorsed by several obc members, and this has been going on for months. what else does it take to get on the list, and how do we move this along? dick is very friendly to obc'ers, and i would hate to lose that because we can get this finished. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 12:05:45 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Say Gary, where is the link / listing to his web site? ...or at least a link to an eBay store or some such? I'd love to have opportunity to take a look, and if appropriate, I would even be happy to provide additional feedback. My belief is that OBC is indeed much more than just shipping and freightingcardboard around the planet, but we ARE, first and foremost, primarily an on-line group, no? Therefore, MY desire would be to only see dealer listings that have some sort of on-line access where I can peruse their cards, products and prices. As members, we are all required to possess and maintaina web page, correct? So why shouldn't we expect the same of our approved and recommended dealers? If not, what sense does it make to include them in a listing? I'm not going to hop in the RV and drive cross country just to visit a single card shop, or a single table at a show. There is a fantastic, really nice and very fair dealer with a quaint, very small, vintage only card shop quite close to me here, and he's been there for nearly twenty years or so, but I wouldn't even think of passing his contact information along to an on-line group because he not only doesn't have a web page, he doesn't even have a computer!!! Sure, if one of us should travel through the Denver area and decides to request an open solicitation for recommended card shops, I'll be happy to volunteer that information, butotherwise, what's the use? So, if "Uncle Cracker," Uncle Dick, has a web page or an on-line store, cough it up so we can take a peek !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers i went to the sun times show on saturday, and was pretty embarrassed when "uncle dick"decourcy asked me why he still wasn't on the favorite dealers list. i know he has been endorsed by several obc members, and this has been goingon for months. what else does it take to get on the list, and how do we move this along? dick is very friendly to obc'ers, and i would hate to lose that because we can get this finished. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:15:13 EST To: wguthrie@axint.net From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:17:10 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Hi all, Gary asked about Uncle Dick's status as an OBC-listed dealer. The OBC-AC follows a set monthly rotation for discussion and voting, including how dealers get on the "short list" of folks we promote within the group. Sorry if some issues move slower than winter molasses--it's nothing personal against the people involved. The AC's currently voting, so expect news on Uncle Dick by the end of the month. ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 15:19:17 EST To: wguthrie@axint.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Content-Language: en i dont know if he has a web site or not. but he does travel to most of the major shows, at least east of the mississippi, and he would like to have some name recognition so if you see his table at a show, it may ring a bell. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/22/2010 1:05:55 P.M. Central Standard Time, wguthrie@axint.net writes: Say Gary, where is the link / listing to his web site? ...or at least a link to an eBay store or some such? I'd love to have opportunity to take a look, and if appropriate, I would even be happy to provide additional My belief is that OBC is indeed much more than just shipping and freighting cardboard around the planet, but we ARE, first and foremost, primarily on-line group, no? Therefore, MY desire would be to only see dealer listings that have some sort of on-line access where I can peruse their cards, products and prices. As members, we are all required to possess and maintain a web page, correct? So why shouldn't we expect the same of our approved and recommended dealers? If not, what sense does it make to include them in a listing? I'm not going to hop in the RV and drive cross country just to visit a single card shop, or a single table at a show. There is a fantastic, really nice and very fair dealer with a quaint, very small, vintage only card shop quite close to me here, and he's been there for nearly twenty years or so, but I wouldn't even think of passing his contact information along to an on-line group because he not only doesn't have a web page, he doesn't even have a computer!!! Sure, if one of us should travel through the Denver area and decides to request an open solicitation for recommended card shops, I'll be happy to volunteer that information, but otherwise, what's the use? So, if "Uncle Cracker," Uncle Dick, has a web page or an on-line store, cough it up so we can take a peek !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) To: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:25 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers i went to the sun times show on saturday, and was pretty embarrassed when "uncle dick"decourcy asked me why he still wasn't on the favorite dealers i know he has been endorsed by several obc members, and this has been going on for months. what else does it take to get on the list, and how do we move this along? dick is very friendly to obc'ers, and i would hate to lose that because we can get this finished. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 14:22:03 -0600 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: San Fran Card Shop? Does anyone know of a vintage card shop in San Francisco or the immediate neighborhood? We're going there tomorrow. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:51:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Who collects Garth Iorg cards? Cab anyone tell me the member who collects Garth Iorg cards? Iorg played for the Syracuse Chiefs. thanks, Linda ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn'tmean it to be a critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we are an on-line If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchasea few of the cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 16:57:07 -0500 (EST) From: mma3026559@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] San Fran Card Shop? The Bay Area only has a few stops for vintage material..... Stevens Creek Sportscards in San Jose (50 miles south of SF) probably has the best selection, followed by 10th Inning in Pinole and Lefty's in Burlingame.... AmazingAdventures in SF, which had been open since Carter was president, closed down about a month ago. Hope this helps. Mark Macrae -----Original Message----- From: George and Susan Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings Sent: Mon, Nov 22, 2010 7:22 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] San Fran Card Shop? Does anyone know of a vintage card shop in San Francisco or the immediate neighborhood? We=E2=99regoing there tomorrow. George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn'tmean it to be a critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we are an on-line If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchasea few of the cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 01:24:06 +0000 From: LYONS RONI Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn'tmean it to be a critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we are an on-line If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchasea few of the cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:22:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jwi62" Subject: Re: obc dealers Thanks Spike for providing an update on the AC's agenda. A decision will be made by the end of the week regarding Uncle Dick. I am working at a new employer as of last week (my health issues are all gone now that I am completely removed from an continuous environmental chemical exposure at my previous employer) where access to the OBC groups servers are prohibited. Whenall the votes are in, I will let you know. Happy Thanksgiving to all in OBC land. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Matthew Glidden wrote: > Hi all, > Gary asked about Uncle Dick's status as an OBC-listed dealer. The OBC-AC > follows a set monthly rotation for discussion and voting, including how > dealers get on the "short list" of folks we promote within the group. Sorry > if some issues move slower than winter molasses--it's nothing personal > against the people involved. The AC's currently voting, so expect news on > Uncle Dick by the end of the month. > Spike ================= Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:33:13 EST To: rrrlyons@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Content-Language: en should the list of dealers that are going to be at national should be edited to exclude anyone who doesn't have a website? i suppose not. the idea in part, i thought, was to let us know who the good dealers are, whether it be someone who sells in person, on ebay , or has their own online store. there are some dealers on that list now, some of whom are very obc friendly, that even though they may have a website, it is nothing but fluff best. most say "email me for your specific needs". i happen to use uncle dick a lot, as does tj valachek, george vrecheck, ron perry and a few others, and that is only in chicago. i know many obc'ers that use him at national and some east coast shows as well. i really dont care for myself if he is on there -- i know who he is and i know i get good deals from him, not only at shows, but he will email me if he finds something i need. similar to kurt toudot. dont know if i have ever been to kurt's website, but i know he will email me and ray luurs at least if he finds something we need. my point was, that as far as i knew, dick had been given enough favorable reviews by members several months ago, and still wasn't on the list. for those of us who go to shows, when we see a good dealer, we talk up obc and try to get them to "treat us right". if his "reward" is to have to wait all this time to get on the list, it makes us look bad, and they may reconsider being as "nice" to us obc'ers. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/22/2010 7:24:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, rrrlyons@msn.com writes: I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be a critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean Gary to spill any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of the cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: _Brockhattox@cs.com_ (mailto:Brockhattox@cs.com) To: _wguthrie@axint.net_ (mailto:wguthrie@axint.net) Cc: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several ================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 02:47:54 +0000 (UTC) To: LYONS RONI From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers For those interested, Uncle Dick's site can be accessed at www.UNCLEDICKSCARDS.com With that being said, I don't believe it should matter whether or not a dealer has a website. The key is whether or not they are OBC friendly. Uncle Dick is very good to us. He has fair prices, and always has good stacks of bargain cards, $1 and $2 boxes. He gets a huge thumbs up from me. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "LYONS RONI" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 7:24:06 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that weacknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totallyagree with you about that being atough critique of thedealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer.Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previouscontact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probablymissed, or ignored,a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be acritique of any specific dealer, justa "tough"lean onGary tospill any other information he might have onhim, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort ofelectronic access and/ oron-line store, since we are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhapsa weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the badof any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, Ithink it would make sense that ourrecommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access.I sincerely appreciateknowing who all thegood dealers are, butI also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myselfcontinually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out anentire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of thecheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy atthat Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= To: Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 22:20:30 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers I agree, that is, if I am understanding this right. It looks to me like 2 issues: 1. Including Uncle Dick on the favorites list, and 2. Should we consider web presence in any way, as part of the favorites list or in some other way. I feel yes, and yes. Richard D To: rrrlyons@msn.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:33:13 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers should the list of dealers that are going to be at national should be edited to exclude anyone who doesn't have a website? i suppose not. the idea in part, i thought, was to let us know who the good dealers are, whether it be someone who sells in person, on ebay , or has their own online store. there are some dealers on that list now, some of whom are very obc friendly, that even though they may have a website, it is nothing but fluff at best. most say "email me for your specific needs". i happen to use uncle dick a lot, as does tj valachek, george vrecheck, ronperry and a few others, and that is only in chicago. i know many obc'ers that use him at national and some east coast shows as well. i really dont care for myself if he is on there -- i know who he is and i know i get good deals from him, not only at shows, but he will email me if he finds something i need. similar to kurt toudot. dont know if i have ever been to kurt's website, but i know he will email me and ray luurs at least if he finds something we need. my point was, that as far as i knew, dick had been given enough favorable reviews by members several months ago, and still wasn't on the list. for those of us who go to shows, when we see a good dealer, we talk up obc and try to get them to "treat us right". if his "reward" is to have to wait all this time to get on the list, it makes us look bad, and they may reconsiderbeing as "nice" to us obc'ers. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/22/2010 7:24:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, rrrlyons@msn.com I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn'tmean it to be a critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we are an on-line If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchasea few of the cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:34:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wmcashton" Subject: 1949 Bowmans I just heard from John Morrison (oldbbcards) an OBC approved dealer. "also i pick up a collection. there are 49 bowman commons and minor stars in it. just about every one including high numbers. they are in fairly good shape. the problem with them is they have a small pen mark or marker t.s. on the back . maybe they were tom sawyers cards. anyhow is there any way you can let the obc guys know. they will be 10% of beckett nmnt price. thanks john" His email is oldbbcards@aol.com Looks like a good deal if you collect them. Bill Ashton ================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:58:41 +0000 (UTC) To: smartalecx@aol.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Greeting OBC, I am trying not to take the comments by Gary personally but find it difficult not to. I know better than to get drawn into a conversation that gets the best of my emotion but I am compelled to respond. I will do my best to be factual and not respond from an emotional base. 1) The process for inclusion on the OBC Friendly Dealer list is clearlydefined in the ROC. 2) The name of Uncle Dick came up AFTER the September voting cycle for the OBCAC - still since the name was brought up our facilitator Joe Issac announced on the Ramblings server that the AC was seeking recommendations. 3) Joe announced to the OBCAC that we had the required amount of recommendations in mid October. 4) Discussion began but a motion was not made and therefore a decision was not made in October. 5) In November a motion was made and seconded and on the 20th (as he does EVERY month) Joe called for a vote and the decision of the OBCAC will be released to the remainder of the group by month's end. As in most organizations there is a process for decision making - it may not be perfect but it works. It may not be INSTANTANEOUS but it is fair. I have served for a number of years on the board and do so on a voluntary basis - I do so because I enjoy this group and what it stands for. STILL I do have a personal life, I DO NOT have the time nor the inclination to turn my role on the OBCAC into a full time job. Could we have made the decision on Dick in October? Perhaps - but we didn't. I'm not going to apologize for taking my time to make a decision - nor should I have to. The dealer list is service for OUR MEMBERS - if Dick is upset because it takes time for us to post him on that list then maybe he is NOT as OBC friendly as his supporters purport. Then again - MAYBE - some in our membership are simply impatient and just need torelax and give some of us a little room to breathe. Gary - I can only hope that this puts your mind at ease that the AC has taken the request seriously and using the procedures in place have followed through on that request. If you wish to comment further please email me directly as I will make no further public comment on this BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ---------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: rrrlyons@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers shouldthe list of dealers that are going to be at national should be edited to exclude anyone who doesn't have a website? i suppose not. the idea in part, i thought, was to let us know who the good dealers are, whether it be someone who sells in person, on ebay , orhas their own online store. there are some dealers on that list now, some of whom are very obc friendly, that even though they may have a website,it is nothing but fluffat best.most say"email me for your specific needs". i happen to use uncle dick a lot, as does tj valachek, george vrecheck, ronperry and a few others, and that is only in chicago. i know many obc'ers that use him at national and some east coast shows as well. i really dontcare for myself if he is on there -- i know whohe is and i know i get good deals from him, not only at shows, but he will email me if hefinds something i need. similar to kurt toudot. dont know if i have ever been to kurt's website, but i know he will email me and ray luurs at least if he finds something we need. my point was, that as far as i knew, dick had been given enough favorable reviews by members severalmonths ago, and still wasn't on the list. for those of us who go to shows, when we see a good dealer, we talk up obc and try to get them to "treat us right". if his "reward"is to have to wait all this time to get on the list, it makes us look bad, andthey may reconsider being as "nice" tous obc'ers. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/22/2010 7:24:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, rrrlyons@msn.com I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that weacknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totallyagree with you about that being atough critique of thedealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer.Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previouscontact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probablymissed, or ignored,a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be acritique of any specific dealer, justa "tough"lean onGary tospill any other information he might have onhim, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort ofelectronic access and/ oron-line store, since we are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhapsa weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the badof any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, Ithink it would make sense that ourrecommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access.I sincerely appreciateknowing who all thegood dealers are, butI also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myselfcontinually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out anentire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of thecheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy atthat Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... shouldthe list of dealers that are going to be at national should be edited to exclude anyone who doesn't have a website? i suppose not. the idea in part, i thought, was to let us know who the good dealers are, whether it be someone who sells in person, on ebay , orhas their own online store. there are some dealers on that list now, some of whom are very obc friendly, that even though they may have a website,it is nothing but fluffat best.most say"email me for your specific needs". i happen to use uncle dick a lot, as does tj valachek, george vrecheck, ronperry and a few others, and that is only in chicago. i know many obc'ers that use him at national and some east coast shows as well. i really dontcare for myself if he is on there -- i know whohe is and i know i get good deals from him, not only at shows, but he will email me if hefinds something i need. similar to kurt toudot. dont know if i have ever been to kurt's website, but i know he will email me and ray luurs at least if he finds something we need. my point was, that as far as i knew, dick had been given enough favorable reviews by members severalmonths ago, and still wasn't on the list. for those of us who go to shows, when we see a good dealer, we talk up obc and try to get them to "treat us right". if his "reward"is to have to wait all this time to get on the list, it makes us look bad, andthey may reconsider being as "nice" tous obc'ers. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/22/2010 7:24:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, rrrlyons@msn.com I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that weacknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totallyagree with you about that being atough critique of thedealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer.Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previouscontact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probablymissed, or ignored,a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be acritique of any specific dealer, justa "tough"lean onGary tospill any other information he might have onhim, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort ofelectronic access and/ oron-line store, since we are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhapsa weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the badof any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, Ithink it would make sense that ourrecommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access.I sincerely appreciateknowing who all thegood dealers are, butI also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myselfcontinually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out anentire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of thecheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy atthat Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 00:12:10 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks for the response. Very helpful to clarify how the process is working. Makes a lot of sense to me and I'm confident a decision will be reached in due Thanks for all your efforts and time in this, and all OBC, matters! Richard D To: smartalecx@aol.com CC: rrrlyons@msn.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 04:58:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Greeting OBC, I am trying not to take the comments by Gary personally but find it difficult not to. I know better than to get drawn into a conversation that gets the best of my emotion but I am compelled to respond. I will do my best to be factual and not respond from an emotional base. 1) The process for inclusion on the OBC Friendly Dealer list is clearly defined in the ROC. 2) The name of Uncle Dick came up AFTER the September voting cycle for the OBCAC - still since the name was brought up our facilitator Joe Issac announced on the Ramblings server that the AC was seeking recommendations. 3) Joe announced to the OBCAC that we had the required amount of recommendations in mid October. 4) Discussion began but a motion was not made and therefore a decision was not made in October. 5) In November a motion was made and seconded and on the 20th (as he does EVERY month) Joe called for a vote and the decision of the OBCAC will be released to the remainder of the group by month's end. As in most organizations there is a process for decision making - it maynot be perfect but it works. It may not be INSTANTANEOUS but it is fair. I have served for a number of years on the board and do so on a voluntary basis - I do so because I enjoy this group and what it stands for. STILL Ido have a personal life, I DO NOT have the time nor the inclination to turn my role on the OBCAC into a full time job. Could we have made the decision on Dick in October? Perhaps - but we didn't. I'm not going to apologize for taking my time to make a decision - nor should I have to. The dealerlist is service for OUR MEMBERS - if Dick is upset because it takes time for us to post him on that list then maybe he is NOT as OBC friendly as hissupporters purport. Then again - MAYBE - some in our membership are simply impatient and just need to relax and give some of us a little room to breathe. Gary - I can only hope that this puts your mind at ease that the AC has taken the request seriously and using the procedures in place have followedthrough on that request. If you wish to comment further please email me directly as I will make no further public comment on this matter. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ---------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: rrrlyons@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:33:13 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers should the list of dealers that are going to be at national should be edited to exclude anyone who doesn't have a website? i suppose not. the idea in part, i thought, was to let us know who the good dealers are, whether it be someone who sells in person, on ebay , or has their own online store. there are some dealers on that list now, some of whom are very obc friendly, that even though they may have a website, it is nothing but fluff at best. most say "email me for your specific needs". i happen to use uncle dick a lot, as does tj valachek, george vrecheck, ronperry and a few others, and that is only in chicago. i know many obc'ers that use him at national and some east coast shows as well. i really dont care for myself if he is on there -- i know who he is and i know i get good deals from him, not only at shows, but he will email me if he finds something i need. similar to kurt toudot. dont know if i have ever been to kurt's website, but i know he will email me and ray luurs at least if he finds something we need. my point was, that as far as i knew, dick had been given enough favorable reviews by members several months ago, and still wasn't on the list. for those of us who go to shows, when we see a good dealer, we talk up obc and try to get them to "treat us right". if his "reward" is to have to wait all this time to get on the list, it makes us look bad, and they may reconsiderbeing as "nice" to us obc'ers. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/22/2010 7:24:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, rrrlyons@msn.com I too agree if we can't see their inventory they don't do us much good To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brightair@msn.com Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 20:15:42 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or webstores. Richard D To: Brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: wguthrie@axint.net Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn'tmean it to be a critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we are an on-line If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchasea few of the cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. Back to the cardboard !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Brockhattox@cs.com To: wguthrie@axint.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several recommendations... ================= To: "Geordie Calvert" , Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 21:56:03 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? OBC World, I have apparently stirred the hornet's nest as the Canadian Prime Minister of Misery just "lightened up" my evening with a personal phone call. Anyone who knows me at all would know that I'd rather shave with a weed whacker than dial a phone number after I get home from work...but in this case, Grant called me and he was pleasant to talk with~! (at least in perspective We caught up on the young ones, trying to determine how long they will remain on our payrolls and henceforth free the budget for more old cardboard pictures with retired or deceased males on them ... Aw yes, Grant's got a good headstart on me there, but my day will come~! I'll be heading to rainy Powell River next year to trade barbs in person and leave my dirty socks on Grant's floor, something I haven't done since 2002 when the Angels went on their WS run....I can't wait~! And wait for it....I'll have a police escort through one of the 6 traffic lights in town, no Mounties allowed~! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Geordie Calvert To: Grant Rainsley Cc: OBCRamblings ; Brian Lindholme ; Linda ; EEK Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:43 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I made the same mistake once. And only once. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Grant Rainsley" To: "Brian Lindholme" , "Linda" , "EEK" Cc: "OBCRamblings" Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:42:48 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Astute observation Brian, and it is true, I wasn=E2=99t a Mountie, I was a real cop. Not that I am overly insensitive to being called a Mountie, not hardly. Well, okay, a little bit. And Linda, you can always take a look at the OBC Hall of Mediocrity to find out just which obscure players some of us are interested in. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Brian Lindholme Sent: November 21, 2010 4:22 PM To: Linda; EEK Cc: OBCRamblings Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? Earl, before Constable Grumpy Grant jumps in to both correct you and kickyou out of the exclusive club...he wasn't a Mountie, and has some disdain for that branch of enforcement. Grant retired from the Vancouver Police Department, having rode a steed named Pico for the last few years (when we allmet Ask for the story of how Billy Hoeft (RIP) became Grant's favorite, but open a cold can of Kokanee first. Not for you, or I but certainly for Grant. I search around all the time for Billy Hoeft items, strangely elusive as they may be...so while I can't send our fine Canadian friend anything most of the time...I can still send the occasional barb and insult, that bad habit induced by spending time with a coffee crazed islander named Diamanti and the long lost patron saint of "taking the scenic route" ...Mr Cummings. Aw...its snowing in SW Washington today, so I found some time to report. OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: EEK To: Linda Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2010 4:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? If you have not heard by now, Grant Rainsley is the Hoeft collector. He is also the self proclaimed #1 Billy fan and founder of the Billy club (although I'm not sure Mounties carry them). At any rate I am proud to say that for quite some time I was the only other member of the The Official Billy Hoeft Fan Club until Mike "the King of Odd Balls" Rich bribed his way in. But that's probably more info than you need or want. "we keep what we give away!" From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sun, November 21, 2010 1:47:35 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who collects Billy Hoeft cards? I remember reading in the want lists of one of the members that he collects Billy Hoeft cards but I can't remember the member's name. I have started to make up index cards of certain players members collect so then when Iget a Nap Lajoie modern UV numbered insert card I know Mac Wubben collectsthat player. Might be an idea to add to Who Is Working On What Set who collects certain players. Would help me in making a list when I get cards of certain players and I want to know who to send them to. ================= To: Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 11:42:48 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: dont let these comments get the best of you remember kids..... Garys email is smart alec. that should explain it right Gar ole buddy stir it up brother have a Happy and Safe Thanksgiving all ================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 19:25:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: I'm baaaacckkk! Sunday morning my 13-year-old daughter and I woke up at 3:30am (1:30 in my home time zone) in Managua, put on shorts and a t-shirt, and rode to the airport with the windows down. Sunday night at 8pm, I drove up our snowy driveway as far as our Honda Odyssey can take us in the wintertime, got out, loaded our suitcases onto our toboggan, and hauled them up through the snow to our home. I told Lydia, "These are the moments when I realize my life is bizarre." We went down seventy degrees that day, and since then have lost another fifteen, so from 90s daytime to a whopping five degrees at 2,650 feet above sea level in Central Washington. In all sincerity, I'm praying about moving to Nicaragua and it's NOT just because of the weather! We had our best trip yet to House of Hope: 11 on the team, and we completedthe duplex we'd been building the last two times (November '09 and last March/April) so that two families of mothers and their children will be able to move off of the streets and into these safe homes. As happens every time, I had my heart stolen by two kids whom I wanted to smuggle home in my suitcase and adopt. This was the first trip on which my daughter joined us (she went to Costa Rica last summer with a different group) and she was amazing. The girls there loved her, and in spite of her very limited Spanish, she bonded with them through tickling and tackling and "hanging out" like teenagers do anywhere. We brought a woman named Diana who works with victims of domestic violence and sexual abuse here, and she is Mexican-American and fluent in Spanish, so she was perfectly equipped to work with the women and children coming out of prostitution. Thank you to all of you who prayed for us, sent blessings and good words, and kept us in mind for safety and strength while we were away. Of course, I'm always grateful to you who hit me while I'm gone (or any time, for that matter!). I've got envelopes from Linda, Tom Housely, and Grant Rainsley (did he fit a beer in there?) that I hope to get time to open tonight! Lifestacks up while I'm gone, plus it always takes me a couple days to regain my energy because I pretty much spend it down to zero while we're there...then travel 15 to 18 hours home. I write updates while I'm there (and have ongoing reports I send to our mailing list), so if you want to hear more about our time and/or be on the list, let me know. It's intense and not all rated PG, but some great moments. I wouldn't trade these experiences for anything; this is the good life, as far as I'm concerned! God's blessings on all of you and may you experience great gratitude and joy this Thanksgiving (even you Canadians who celebrate on the wrong day). I'm going to get back on the card train soon; I sure as heck won't be playing outside much! Peace and Joy, Mike R-W ================= Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2010 17:48:31 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: my email to those of you who thought that i was questioning the integrity of obcac, or any such thing, i apologize. nothing of the kind was intended. having run the elections for two years, i have nothing but respect for anyone who volunteers their time to make this a better organization. while i wish that the timeliness was better, and while i was embarrassed on saturday, i did assure dick that the committee was working on it, and that i thought he would be approved. i realize that the tone of an email can be misinterpreted, and therefore, can be a dangerous way of communicating. i, for example, have read a number of comments in the past two days that could be considered insulting and sarcastic. but i will chalk that up to my misinterpretation and assume that no one meant any such thing. can we move on now? Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB ================= To: , "richard dingman" Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 17:33:23 -0500 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers I would respectfully offer a counter opinion. For as long as I've been in OBC (just celebrating my 13th year), the dealers we have truly treasured are those who not only gave us discounts on our purchases but would put asideOBC grade material and bring that with them to shows such as the National.I don't care if they have a web site or not. Most of them can fill wantlists and I know their prices are going to be right. People such as Kurt Tourdot, Roger Neufeldt, John Morrison, and others are my definition of OBC friendly dealers and do not have web sites. I've never done business with Uncle Dick, but he sounds like my kind of dealer. On Mon 22/11/10 8:15 PM , richard dingman brightair@msn.com sent: > Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's > suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or > webstores. > Richard D > ------------------------- > To: Brockhattox@cs.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: wguthrie@axint.net > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 > Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that > being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing > that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no > previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to > Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few > previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be a > critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill > any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as > a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here > would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at > least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we > are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a > weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in > favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all > dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked > up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, > I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the > same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate > knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to > view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many > more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually > gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because > they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I > don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to > someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of the > cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my > fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. > Back to the cardboard !!! Walker ----- Original Message ----- > FROM: Brockhattox@cs.com TO: wguthrie@axint.net CC: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com SENT: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 > PM SUBJECT: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Walker, > That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several > recommendations... > Brock > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxYjVsMzRoBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIxMzgyBHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--?actreply&messageNum21382[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlZWtubmFlBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/21373;_ylcX3oDMTM2cGxy > bDZtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > xMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MAR0cGNJZAMyMTM3Mw--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlNm1nb2ozBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[7] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15or8p1l7/M493064.14012770.13963757.132984 > 30/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/Bdg_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6015306/R0/SIG11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesan > dactivitieszone/[8] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15oeb8b3b/M493064.13983314.14041046.132984 > 30/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/BdA_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6060255/R0/SIG1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdlgrpj[9] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15o88fi27/M493064.13814537.14041040.108355 > 68/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/BdQ_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6078812/R0/SIG114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/[10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkcTYxc2d2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjkwNDc0OTgw[14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 18:18:59 -0800 (PST) To: Geno Wagner , From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Bowl Season Challenge, Part II A couple weeks to go - but December is busy, so get your entry "fee" in early! So far it's just me and Friar, although a bunch of guys told me they'd play. Send me your card before the first game to get in. See the rules below if you have any questions... Take Care, From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Mon, November 15, 2010 5:40:43 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Bowl Season Challenge, Part II OBCers -- OK, I've refined the rules a bit and I'm ready to kick off the Bowl Season Challenge, albiet a bit early. I've picked 10 Bowl games on 10 different all you have to do is pickthe winner. Everyone who enters will get "lives," so you will at least make it to the Independence Bowl. Once you twice, you're out. If more than one person makes it all the way to the Championship, then the first tie-breaker is if they've lost a "life" along the way or not, the second will be the point total. So how do you enter? Send me ONE card, worth about $10-$15 or so. Last time I think I said $20, but I want more people to play. To make it even foreveryone, the card has to be pre-1981 and actually be WORTH about $10-$15 if you wereto look it up in that condition. For instance, a beater that books for $100 fine...a VG card that books for $10 is not. Also, it's just ONE card...not bunch that add up to $10-$15. Here's the schedule: 26 Dec -- Little Cesear's Bowl 27 Dec -- Independence Bowl 28 Dec -- Insight Bowl 29 Dec -- Texas Bowl 30 Dec -- Music City Bowl 31 Dec -- Sun Bowl 1 Jan -- Rose Bowl 3 Jan -- Orange Bowl 4 Jan -- Sugar Bowl 7 Jan -- National Championship Game Send me your card whenever you like. I'll put out the call for your picks in a couple weeks when the match-ups come out. Let me know if you have any Take Care, ================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 21:59:26 EST To: obcjohn@knology.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers Content-Language: en i forgot the dealer name, but he was set up around the corner from ron estes, and was also from around st louis i think he saw my hat and pulled out and obc box. nothing i needed, but very nice to offer just the same uncle dick has several monster boxes of $1 and $2 cards. not sure they would count as obc boxes, but at 10% or less, i have found dozens of hits over the years. happy thanksgiving Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/24/2010 4:33:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, obcjohn@knology.net writes: I would respectfully offer a counter opinion. For as long as I've been in OBC (just celebrating my 13th year), the dealers we have truly treasured are those who not only gave us discounts on our purchases but would put aside OBC grade material and bring that with them to shows such as the National. I don't care if they have a web site or not. Most of them can fill wantlists and I know their prices are going to be right. People such as Kurt Tourdot, Roger Neufeldt, John Morrison, and others are my definition of OBC friendly dealers and do not have web sites. I've never done business with Uncle Dick, but he sounds like my kind of dealer. On Mon 22/11/10 8:15 PM , richard dingman _brightair@msn.com_ (mailto:brightair@msn.com) sent: > Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's > suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or > webstores. > Richard D > ------------------------- > To: _Brockhattox@cs.com_ (mailto:Brockhattox@cs.com) > CC: _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ > From: _wguthrie@axint.net_ (mailto:wguthrie@axint.net) > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 > Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that > being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing > that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no > previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to > Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few > previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be a > critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill > any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as > a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here > would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at > least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we > are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a > weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in > favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all > dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked > up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, > I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the > same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate > knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to > view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many > more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually > gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because > they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I > don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to > someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of the > cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my > fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. > Back to the cardboard !!! Walker ----- Original Message ----- > FROM: _Brockhattox@cs.com_ (mailto:Brockhattox@cs.com) TO: _wguthrie@axint.net_ (mailto:wguthrie@axint.net) CC: > _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) SENT: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 > PM SUBJECT: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Walker, > That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several > recommendations... > Brock > Links: > ------ > [3] _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxYjVsMzRoBF9TA_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxYjVsMzRoBF9TA) _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlZWtubmFlBF9TA_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlZWtubmFlBF9TA) > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[5] _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/21373;_ylcX3oDMTM2cGxy_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/21373;_ylcX3oDMTM2cGxy) > xMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MAR0cGNJZAMyMTM3Mw--[6] _http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlNm1nb2ozBF9TAzk3Mz_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlNm1nb2ozBF9TAzk3Mz) > 3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[7] _http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15or8p1l7/M493064.14012770.13963757.132984_ (http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15or8p1l7/M493064.14012770.13963757.132984) /A6015306/R0/SIG11vlkvigg/*_http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesan_ (http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesan) > dactivitieszone/[8] > _http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15oeb8b3b/M4 (http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15oeb8b3b/M493064.13983314.14041046.132984) > /A6060255/R0/SIG1194m4keh/*_http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdlgrpj_ (http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdlgrpj) [9] _http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15o88fi27/M493064.13814537.14041040.108355_ (http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15o88fi27/M493064.13814537.14041040.108355) > /A6078812/R0/SIG114ae4ln1/*_http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/_ (http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/) [10] _http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkcTYxc2d2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM_ (http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkcTYxc2d2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM) _http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/_ (http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/) ================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 03:06:03 +0000 (UTC) To: smartalecx@aol.com From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers That guys name is Big Bob. He always has an OBC box with some heavy discounts. He is definitely OBC friendly. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: obcjohn@knology.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 8:59:26 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers i forgot the dealer name, but he was set up around the corner from ron estes, and was also from around st louis i think he saw my hat and pulled out and obc box. nothing i needed, but very nice to offer just the same uncle dick has several monster boxes of $1 and $2 cards. not sure they would count as obc boxes, but at 10% or less, i have found dozens of hitsover the years. happy thanksgiving Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/24/2010 4:33:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, obcjohn@knology.net I would respectfully offer a counter opinion. For as long as I've been in OBC (just celebrating my 13th year), the dealers we have truly treasured arethose who not only gave us discounts on our purchases but would put aside OBC grade material and bring that with them to shows such as the National. I don't care if they have a web site or not. Most of them can fill wantlists and I know their prices are going to be right. People such as Kurt Tourdot, Roger Neufeldt, John Morrison, and others are my definition of OBC friendly dealers and do not have web sites. I've never done business with Uncle Dick, but he sounds like my kind of dealer. On Mon 22/11/10 8:15 PM , richard dingman brightair@msn.com sent: > Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's > suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or > webstores. > Richard D > ------------------------- > To: Brockhattox@cs.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: wguthrie@axint.net > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 > Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that > being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing > that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no > previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to > Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few > previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be a > critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill > any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as > a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here > would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at > least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we > are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a > weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in > favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all > dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked > up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, > I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the > same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate > knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to > view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many > more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually > gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because > they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I > don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to > someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of the > cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my > fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. > Back to the cardboard !!! Walker ----- Original Message ----- > FROM: Brockhattox@cs.com TO: wguthrie@axint.net CC: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com SENT: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 > PM SUBJECT: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Walker, > That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several > recommendations... > Brock > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxYjVsMzRoBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIxMzgyBHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--?actreply&messageNum21382[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlZWtubmFlBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/21373;_ylcX3oDMTM2cGxy > bDZtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > xMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MAR0cGNJZAMyMTM3Mw--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlNm1nb2ozBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[7] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15or8p1l7/M493064.14012770.13963757.132984 > 30/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/Bdg_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6015306/R0/SIG11vlkvigg/* http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesan > dactivitieszone/[8] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15oeb8b3b/M493064.13983314.14041046.132984 > 30/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/BdA_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6060255/R0/SIG1194m4keh/* http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdlgrpj > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15o88fi27/M493064.13814537.14041040.108355 > 68/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/BdQ_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6078812/R0/SIG114ae4ln1/* http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkcTYxc2d2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjkwNDc0OTgw[14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ i forgot the dealer name, but he was set up around the corner from ron estes, and was also from around st louis i think he saw my hat and pulled out and obc box. nothing i needed, but very nice to offer just the same uncle dick has several monster boxes of $1 and $2 cards. not sure they would count as obc boxes, but at 10% or less, i have found dozens of hitsover the years. happy thanksgiving Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/24/2010 4:33:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, obcjohn@knology.net I would respectfully offer a counter opinion. For as long as I've been in OBC (just celebrating my 13th year), the dealers we have truly treasured arethose who not only gave us discounts on our purchases but would put aside OBC grade material and bring that with them to shows such as the National. I don't care if they have a web site or not. Most of them can fill wantlists and I know their prices are going to be right. People such as Kurt Tourdot, Roger Neufeldt, John Morrison, and others are my definition of OBC friendly dealers and do not have web sites. I've never done business with Uncle Dick, but he sounds like my kind of dealer. On Mon 22/11/10 8:15 PM , richard dingman brightair@msn.com sent: > Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's > suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or > webstores. > Richard D > ------------------------- > To: Brockhattox@cs.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: wguthrie@axint.net > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 > Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that > being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing > that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no > previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to > Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few > previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be a > critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill > any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as > a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here > would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at > least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we > are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a > weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in > favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all > dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked > up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, > I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the > same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate > knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to > view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many > more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually > gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because > they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I > don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to > someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of the > cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my > fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. > Back to the cardboard !!! Walker ----- Original Message ----- > FROM: Brockhattox@cs.com TO: wguthrie@axint.net CC: > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com SENT: Monday, November 22, 2010 12:15 > PM SUBJECT: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > Walker, > That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several > recommendations... > Brock > Links: > ------ > [3] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJxYjVsMzRoBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIxMzgyBHNl > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--?actreply&messageNum21382[4] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylcX3oDMTJlZWtubmFlBF9TA > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[5] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/21373;_ylcX3oDMTM2cGxy > bDZtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > xMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MAR0cGNJZAMyMTM3Mw--[6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylcX3oDMTJlNm1nb2ozBF9TAzk3Mz > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > 3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[7] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15or8p1l7/M493064.14012770.13963757.132984 > 30/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/Bdg_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6015306/R0/SIG11vlkvigg/* http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesan > dactivitieszone/[8] > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15oeb8b3b/M493064.13983314.14041046.132984 > 30/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/BdA_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6060255/R0/SIG1194m4keh/* http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdlgrpj > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG15o88fi27/M493064.13814537.14041040.108355 > 68/Dgroups/S1705123920:MKP1/YYAHOO/EXP1290482180/L47be396c-f69f-11df-b > efd-4f02897f535d/BdQ_MA9BDRrY-/J1290474980857818/KtJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > /A6078812/R0/SIG114ae4ln1/* http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/ [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylcX3oDMTJkcTYxc2d2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjkwNDc0OTgw[14] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:21:20 -0600 To: obcjohn@knology.net From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers On 11/24/2010 4:33 PM, obcjohn@knology.net wrote: > I would respectfully offer a counter opinion. For as long as I've been > in OBC (just celebrating my 13th year), the dealers we have truly > treasured are those who not only gave us discounts on our purchases > but would put aside OBC grade material and bring that with them to > shows such as the National. I don't care if they have a web site or > not. Most of them can fill wantlists and I know their prices are going > to be right. People such as Kurt Tourdot, Roger Neufeldt, John > Morrison, and others are my definition of OBC friendly dealers and do > not have web sites. I've never done business with Uncle Dick, but he > sounds like my kind of dealer. > Bama > On Mon 22/11/10 8:15 PM , richard dingman brightair@msn.com > sent: > > Without getting into any "Uncle Dick" opinions, I like Walker's > > suggestion that we acknowledge dealers who have webpages or > > webstores. > > Richard D > > ------------------------- > > To: Brockhattox@cs.com > > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > > From: wguthrie@axint.net > > Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2010 13:54:42 -0700 > > Subject: Tough on Dealers - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > > > > Thanks, Brock. I would totally agree with you about that > > being a tough critique of the dealer, IF I were actually discussing > > that dealer. Alas, I'm not qualified for that, because I've had no > > previous contact, or even any knowledge about Uncle Dick, prior to > > Gary bringing him up. (... ... I probably missed, or ignored, a few > > previous discussions ... ...) Alas, I didn't mean it to be a > > critique of any specific dealer, just a "tough" lean on Gary to spill > > any other information he might have on him, and, more importantly, as > > a heads up to the discussing and voting OBCAC that one of us out here > > would like to see approved and listed dealers having a web site, or at > > least some sort of electronic access and / or on-line store, since we > > are an on-line group. If we were some sort of a periodic, perhaps a > > weekly or a monthly "face to face," group, then I would be all out in > > favor of trading and sharing the good and the bad of any and all > > dealers and card shops any one of us ever set foot inside or walked > > up to. However, since we are primarily an electronic, on-line group, > > I think it would make sense that our recommended "dealers" be the > > same, or at least have the same access. I sincerely appreciate > > knowing who all the good dealers are, but I also want to be able to > > view their available products and prices. I'm sure there are many > > more "better deals" out there, but I find myself continually > > gravitating to and visiting California Sportscards, simply because > > they have a great, easy to navigate and purchase from, web site. I > > don't care to take the time to fax or mail out an entire want list to > > someone, when all I'm looking to do is to purchase a few of the > > cheapest cards I can find for a particular set that is tickling my > > fancy at that hour. Just one opinion. Nothing more; nothing less. > > Back to the cardboard !!! Walker ----- Original Message ----- > > FROM: Brockhattox@cs.com TO: > wguthrie@axint.net CC: > > OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > SENT: Monday, November 22, > 2010 12:15 > > PM SUBJECT: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] obc dealers > > Walker, > > That is very tough critique of a dealer who has had several > > recommendations... > > Brock > > > > > > Links: > > ------ > > [3] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJxYjVsMzRoBF9TA > > > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzIxMzgyBHNl > > > YwNmdHIEc2xrA3JwbHkEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--?act=reply&messageNum=21382[4] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZWtubmFlBF9TA > > > zk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA250 > > cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[5] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/message/21373;_ylc=X3oDMTM2cGxy > > > bDZtBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBG1zZ0lkAzI > > xMzgyBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA3Z0cGMEc3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MAR0cGNJZAMyMTM3Mw--[6] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings;_ylc=X3oDMTJlNm1nb2ozBF9TAzk3Mz > > > U5NzE0BGdycElkAzMyMzkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwN2dGwEc2xrA3ZnaHAEc > > 3RpbWUDMTI5MDQ3NDk4MA--[7] > > > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15or8p1l7/M=493064.14012770.13963757.132984 > > > 30/D=groups/S=1705123920:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1290482180/L=47be396c-f69f-11df-b > > > efd-4f02897f535d/B=dg_MA9BDRrY-/J=1290474980857818/K=tJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > > > /A=6015306/R=0/SIG=11vlkvigg/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/hobbiesan > > dactivitieszone/[8] > > > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15oeb8b3b/M=493064.13983314.14041046.132984 > > > 30/D=groups/S=1705123920:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1290482180/L=47be396c-f69f-11df-b > > > efd-4f02897f535d/B=dA_MA9BDRrY-/J=1290474980857818/K=tJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > > /A=6060255/R=0/SIG=1194m4keh/*http://us.toolbar.yahoo.com/?.cpdl=grpj[9] > > > http://global.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=15o88fi27/M=493064.13814537.14041040.108355 > > > 68/D=groups/S=1705123920:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1290482180/L=47be396c-f69f-11df-b > > > efd-4f02897f535d/B=dQ_MA9BDRrY-/J=1290474980857818/K=tJYPuFdNHoO2C.mSd_vPVA > > /A=6078812/R=0/SIG=114ae4ln1/*http://dogandcatanswers.yahoo.com/[10] > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJkcTYxc2d2BF9TAzk3NDc2NTkwBGdycElkAzMyM > > > zkzOTIEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MTIzOTIwBHNlYwNmdHIEc2xrA2dmcARzdGltZQMxMjkwNDc0OTgw[14] > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Actually, Bama, Kurt Tourdot does have a web page. He's not too prompt about updating it but it's a decent attempt. http://www.k2doecards.com/ Greg (yaz) ================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 05:40:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tjv815" Subject: Sun Times Show report I was only able to make it to the show on Friday night. I made the most ofthe 4 =BD hours that I was there. I was heading down my first aisle when I noticed the guys from A to Z cards. I picked up a few 35 Goudeys and a hit to my 1970 Topps super set. After A-Z, I made my way to Uncle Dick's table. I pulled a number of 48-52 Bowman baseball, some early Bowman ChicagoBear cards, and a few 52 Topps from his $1, $2, and Bargain boxes. I was also able to make a huge dent into my Topps Rails and Sails set. 67 hits to the Rails portion of the set. I am glad to see Uncle Dick has been votedin our dealer friendly page. He has always treated me well. Right next to Uncle Dick was Keith's $1 Vintage. In July, I was able to pick up a number of early Bowman and Topps Chicago Bears cards (team sets coming soon!). No such luck this time. I only grabbed a handful of cards from him. Keith did say how good the OBC group was to him at the National. He also wanted me to remind Rob Gioia that he is still waiting for his PD shirt. I saw Wayne Johnson, but he did not have an OBC box. Next to Wayne was JD. I picked up some high numbered Bowman's from JD. Big Bob from Saint Louis let me leaf through his OBC box. Among the cards picked up from Uncle Bob werea 62 Clemente, a 63 musial, a 64 kaline, a 66 koufax, and a number of hitsto my 59 Ted Williams set. Overall, it was a good show, although I didn't get any hits to my 61, 62, 63, or 67 Topps sets. A bit of disappointing news was learning that the King of Commons, Bill Henderson had retired. Over the years, I have picked up thousands of cards from Bill. I always loved looking through his boxes and pulling some gems for pocket change. When I got back into collecting, starting with the 72 topps set, I would literally walk away with 400+ cards from Bill and the price always seemed great. Still, it's always fun to hit the show floor and look for bargains. Happy Thanksgiving to everyone. ================= Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:41:44 -0600 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Yaz Subject: reply My new email program is not set up quite the way I want it yet and my reply to Bama concerning the recent thread discussing dealers and web pages was buried way down the bottom of the copy of all the correspondence on the subject. Way past where any sane person would scroll to read it. So here it is again 'cause I thought someone may be interested. (I've now fixed my email so my replies are on top like they should be.) **** /Actually, Bama, Kurt Tourdot does have a web page. He's not too prompt about updating it but it's a decent attempt. / http://www.k2doecards.com/ /Greg (yaz)/ ================= Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:36:53 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Happy Thanksgiving and an OBC winner on eBay Happy turkeys, everyone! Found this Bob Feller RC with "all the trimmings" for small money on eBay this morning. (But does it come with gravy?) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220699208173&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_500wt_1114 ================= To: , Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:55:12 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Black Friday Deals!!! 30 to 40 year old baseball cards!! Ok, so for those of you who need to get some sleep in order to hit the stores at their ridiculously early opening times, here is an opportunity to reward yourselves with some 70's star players of the day by only hitting "reply" I'll even look up your address from the on-line OBC list and lick the stamp(s)!! Sleep in, claim away! I bought a small collection with the expressed purpose of giving these awayacross OBC land. Special considerations to those requesting bunches of cards ( I got extra stamps Some additional commons available too in most years if you are so inclined to Great for player or team collectors even if you already have one copy for your Prices will never be lower! FREE, COMPLIMENTARY,NADA, ZIP, ZERO, ON-THE-HOUSE, NO STRINGS ATTACHED!!! 1970 Topps(vg-ex) 215-Reggie Smith 155-Denis Menke 26-Tug McGraw 445- Vada Pinson 491-Graig Nettles 166-Al Oliver 100- Mel Stottlemeyer 409-Bob Tolan 309-WS game5-Koosman 1971-Topps (vg) 130-Denis Menke 220-Ron Santo 370-Joe Torre 495-Felipe Alou 295-Bobby Bonds 245-Jim Kaat 439-Greg Luzinski-RC 1972-Topps (vg-ex) 169-Vida Blue 135-Tug McGraw 515-Bert Blyleven 172-Darrell Evans IA 240-Richie Allen 112-Greg Luzinski 342-Wilbur Wood-kp 390-Willie Davis 164-Tug McGraw-IA 41-Tommie Davis 12-Jose Cardenal 170-Vida Blue IA 259-Sparky Lyle 350-Frank Howard 1973 Topps(vg+) 23-Dave Kingman 189-Greg Luzinski 185-Jimmy Wynn 270-Luis Tiant 258-Tommy John 184-Jerry Koosman 30-Tug McGraw 52-Denis Menke 115-Ron Santo 40-Reggie Smith 145-Bobby Bonds 225-Al Oliver 1974 Topps(vg-ex+) 435-Dave Concepcion 464-Jose Cruz 140-Darrel Evans 351-Dwight Evans 485-Felipe Alou 485T-Felipe Alou(tr) 290-Vida Blue 629-Rusty Staub 44-Mel Stottlemeyer 15-Joe Torre 490-Vada Pinson 285-Reggie Smith 52-Al Oliver 430-Matty Alou 384-Chris Chambliss 440-Jim Kaat 1975 Topps(ex) 6-Mike Marshall HL 160-Graig Nettles 295-Vada Pinson 490-Reggie Smith 90-Rusty Staub 183-Mel Stottlemeyer 565-Joe Torre 55-Bobby Bonds 475-Darrell Evans 1976 Topps(ex) 80T-Jim Kaat (tr) 60-Jerry Reuss 1977 Topps (vg-ex+) 625-Ken Holtzman 461-Dick Tidrow 96-Lou Piniella 408-Cesar Tovar 568-Carlos May 206-Boog Powell 570-Bobby Bonds 359-Willie Randolph 362-Tommy Davis 44-Bud Harrelson 656-Ron Guidry 420-Rusty Staub 1978 Topps (vg/ex+) 180-Dave Concepcion 695-Dwight Evans 674-Ray Knight 470-J.R. Richard 1979 Topps(ex) 480-Fred Lynn 586-Bob Horner 500-Ron Guidry 8-Saves ldrs -Fingers/Gossage 155-Dwight Evans 289-Jose Cruz 308-Bert Blyleven OBC FOREVER, ================= Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 17:47:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: question I am wondering what the difference in the red and black 1952 Topps would be. Is it that the area around the name and number on the back is black and on the others red? ================= Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 10:20:56 -0800 (PST) To: Richard , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question Richard -- The whole back is printed in either black or red. I don't think there's much of a difference in price... Take Care, From: Richard To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, November 26, 2010 11:47:54 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question I am wondering what the difference in the red and black 1952 Topps would be. it that the area around the name and number on the back is black and on the others red? ================= To: Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 22:50:02 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: pretty cool HOF "reprints" check out http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cards/reprints.jpg and also http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cards/reprintsB.jpg These are from the 2010 topps updates and rookies, or something like that. If one of these guys (and there are more in the set) is on your fav player list, some of these look pretty cool, and you can find them for about a buck or two. I like the Campy and Gehrig myself. The only drawback is that they have just the totals, and not the year-by-year stats on the back. Enjoy the pics! ================= Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 15:46:54 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Anyone else out there collect the Wheaties cards from the 30's? Just spent a few fun hours going through my Wheaties cards (really cereal box backs), and I have a couple dupes. So, I went to the website and the "who collects what" section to see who could benefit from them. None are in great shape--clearly cut off the box by 6 year olds--in other words, my kind of cards. However, I couldn't find any listing for anyone collecting them. I realize some team collectors might want one, but is there anyone else trying to put together these sets? ================= To: Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:23:06 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: familytoad cleaning up/out TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC but does anyone know of an online merchant where I can get a quality desktop to convert two vertical 2-drawer filing cabinets into adesk? I wasted 20 minutes with google but came up empty. It would fit across the top of the two cabinets, hopefully you can visualize.... Anyway, that's not the end of the world, and trying to tie this ramble backaround to OBC and baseball cards, let me say thanks to all of you who shopped at the 1st annual familytoad black friday sale...it was a pretty good success, I was able to mail out a dozen envelopes today. I still have quite a few of these left, especially 74 and 77 ...and anotherdozen stamps...so keep your requests coming! I need to get back to cleaning up this card room...it has drifted into a disaster area, where helmets and careful stepping are advised! OBC Forever ================= To: , OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 11:27:11 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] familytoad cleaning up/out Have you thought about just using a door? My father in law did that. You could just glue or screw in some cleats on each end so it won't slide off the Also, if you come across any cards for my name set I'd appreciate it. 660 card set of players named Bob/Bobby/Rob/Robert/Roberto Any standard size card or smaller / Any condition (563 left) 001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008 010 012 013 015 016 017 019 020 021 022 023024 025 026 028 029 030 031 034 035 036 038 040 042 043 045 046 048 049 050 051 054 055 057 058 059 060 063 064 065 066 067 068 069 070 071 072 073 075 076 077 080 081 082 083 084 085 086 087 088 089 090 092 093 094 095 096 097 098 099 100 102 103 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 113 115 116 117 119 121122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 135 136 137 138 140 141 142 143 144 146 148 149 150 152 153 154 155 159 160 161 164 165 166 167 168 169 170 171 172 174 176 177 178 179 180 181 183 187 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 205 206 208 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 218219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 234 235 237 238 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 248 249 250 251 253 254 255 256 258 259 260 261 262 263 264 265 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 313 315 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 329 330 331 332 333 334 336 337 339 340 341 342 343 344 345 346 347 348 349 350 351 353 354 355 357 360 361 362 363 365 366 367 368 369 371 372 373 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 390391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 403 404 405 406 407 408 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 423 424 425 427 428 429 431 432 433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 464 465 466 467 469 470 471 472 473474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 494 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 505 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514 515 516 517 518 519 520 522 523 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 534 535 536 538 539 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 550 552 553 554 555 556 557 559 560561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 570 571 572 574 575 576 577 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600 601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639640 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 Bob Reed 89 Chapel Street Wallingford, CT 06492 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: familytoad@comcast.net Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:23:06 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] familytoad cleaning up/out TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC but does anyone know of an online merchant where I can get a quality desktop to convert two vertical 2-drawer filing cabinets into adesk? I wasted 20 minutes with google but came up empty. It would fit across the top of the two cabinets, hopefully you can visualize.... Anyway, that's not the end of the world, and trying to tie this ramble backaround to OBC and baseball cards, let me say thanks to all of you who shopped at the 1st annual familytoad black friday sale...it was a pretty good success, I was able to mail out a dozen envelopes today. I still have quite a few of these left, especially 74 and 77 ...and anotherdozen stamps...so keep your requests coming! I need to get back to cleaning up this card room...it has drifted into a disaster area, where helmets and careful stepping are advised! OBC Forever ================= Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 18:38:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: Need help identifying cards I just uploaded a scan of 3 items to the photos section of Ramblings--- titled 2 are Pirate stickers of some type-- the back just has peel and stick instructions-- there were others mostly stars at my card store-- the owner wasn't quite sure what they were. The other older looking card has a playing card back (nine of diamonds) andI picked it up without knowing what it was... Any ideas? Brian Betza ================= To: "Bob Reed" , Date: Sun, 28 Nov 2010 13:00:54 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] familytoad cleaning up/out Bob, Bobby, Robert,Rob, Roberto... sumthin' coming ( you were one of the twelve:) I'll run the door idea by the warden...er, wife and see if she approves! Thanks all! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: familytoad@comcast.net ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Sunday, November 28, 2010 8:27 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] familytoad cleaning up/out Have you thought about just using a door? My father in law did that. You could just glue or screw in some cleats on each end so it won't slide offthe Also, if you come across any cards for my name set I'd appreciate it. 660 card set of players named Bob/Bobby/Rob/Robert/Roberto Any standard size card or smaller / Any condition (563 left) 001 002 003 004 005 006 007 008 010 012 013 015 016 017 019 020 021 022 023 024 025 026 028 029 030 031 034 035 036 038 040 042 043 045 046 048 049 050 051 054 055 057 058 059 060 063 064 065 066 067 068 069 070 071 072 073075 076 077 080 081 082 083 084 085 086 087 088 089 090 092 093 094 095 096 097 098 099 100 102 103 105 106 107 108 109 110 111 113 115 116 117 119 121 122 123 124 125 126 127 128 129 130 131 132 133 135 136 137 138 140 141 142 143 144 146 148 149 150 152 153 154 155 159 160 161 164 165 166 167 168169 170 171 172 174 176 177 178 179 180 181 183 187 189 190 191 192 193 194 195 196 197 198 199 200 201 202 205 206 208 210 211 212 213 214 215 216 218 219 220 221 222 223 224 225 226 227 228 229 230 231 232 234 235 237 238 240 241 242 243 244 245 246 248 249 250 251 253 254 255 256 258 259 260 261262 263 264 265 267 268 269 270 271 272 273 274 275 276 277 278 279 280 281 282 283 284 285 286 288 289 290 291 292 293 294 295 296 297 298 299 300 301 302 303 304 305 306 307 308 309 310 311 313 315 317 318 319 320 321 322 323 324 325 326 327 329 330 331 332 333 334 336 337 339 340 341 342 343 344345 346 347 348 349 350 351 353 354 355 357 360 361 362 363 365 366 367 368 369 371 372 373 375 376 377 378 379 380 381 382 383 384 385 386 387 388 390 391 392 393 394 395 396 397 398 399 400 401 403 404 405 406 407 408 410 411 412 413 414 415 416 417 418 419 420 421 423 424 425 427 428 429 431 432433 434 435 436 437 438 439 440 441 442 443 444 445 446 448 449 450 451 452 453 454 455 456 457 458 459 460 461 462 464 465 466 467 469 470 471 472 473 474 475 476 477 478 479 480 481 482 483 484 485 486 487 488 489 490 491 492 494 496 497 498 499 500 501 502 503 505 507 508 509 510 511 512 513 514515 516 517 518 519 520 522 523 525 526 527 528 529 530 531 532 534 535 536 538 539 541 542 543 544 545 546 547 548 550 552 553 554 555 556 557 559 560 561 562 563 564 565 566 567 568 570 571 572 574 575 576 577 579 580 581 582 583 584 585 586 587 588 589 590 591 592 593 594 595 596 597 598 599 600601 602 603 604 605 606 607 608 609 610 612 613 614 615 616 617 618 619 620 621 622 623 624 625 626 627 628 629 630 631 632 633 634 635 636 637 638 639 640 642 643 644 645 646 647 648 649 650 651 652 653 654 655 656 657 658 659 Bob Reed 89 Chapel Street Wallingford, CT 06492 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: familytoad@comcast.net Date: Sat, 27 Nov 2010 22:23:06 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] familytoad cleaning up/out TOTALLY OFF-TOPIC but does anyone know of an online merchant where I can get a quality desktop to convert two vertical 2-drawer filing cabinets intoa I wasted 20 minutes with google but came up empty. It would fit across the top of the two cabinets, hopefully you can visualize.... Anyway, that's not the end of the world, and trying to tie this ramble back around to OBC and baseball cards, let me say thanks to all of you who shopped at the 1st annual familytoad black friday sale...it was a pretty goodsuccess, I was able to mail out a dozen envelopes today. I still have quite a few of these left, especially 74 and 77 ...and another dozen stamps...so keep your requests coming! I need to get back to cleaning up this card room...it has drifted into a disaster area, where helmets and careful stepping are advised! OBC Forever ================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 16:06:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: On line group for Yankee Stadium Legacy set? A guy at the local card store told me there is an on line group for those working on that massive card set-the Yankee Stadium Legacy set. I understand this group is for people working on that set who buy, sell andtrade cards from that set. Isn't that a huge set of over 5,000 cards? Anyone know exactly how many cards there are in that set? Also I have wondered how the cards were distributed. Were they inserts in packs of Upper Deck cards made in 2008? Were they in any special boxes of Upper Deck cards? Or just regular Upper Deck BB cards from 2008? I was told there are collectors who go on ebay to buy boxes of 2008 Upper Deck cards just to rip open the packs and keep the Yankee Stadium Legacy cards and throw all the other cards away. Now that is what I would call a card fanatic. Buying those boxes ONLY for that particular card. Seems like a waste of time buying those boxes looking for those cards. Why not just go on ebay and buy lots of the cards. I have seen lots of them on ebay. Anyone here know the largest lot of these cards they have seen on ebay? The largest lot offered was supposed to have been 2,500 different Yankee Stadium Lagacy cards. What happened to Upper Deck? I haven't seen any boxes of Upper Deck cards this year in card stores. ================= Date: Mon, 29 Nov 2010 13:27:56 -0500 To: Linda From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] On line group for Yankee Stadium Legacy set? According to this article (http://sports.upperdeck.com/news/ article.aspx?aid3776), UD spread the 6500 card set among several different 2008 releases. With stunts like this, I can't figure out why MLB declined to renew their license for baseball cards ;-) Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! On Nov 29, 2010, at 11:06 AM, Linda wrote: > A guy at the local card store told me there is an on line group for > those working on that massive card set-the Yankee Stadium Legacy set. > I understand this group is for people working on that set who buy, > sell and trade cards from that set. > Isn't that a huge set of over 5,000 cards? Anyone know exactly how > many cards there are in that set? > Also I have wondered how the cards were distributed. Were they > inserts in packs of Upper Deck cards made in 2008? > Were they in any special boxes of Upper Deck cards? Or just regular > Upper Deck BB cards from 2008? > I was told there are collectors who go on ebay to buy boxes of 2008 > Upper Deck cards just to rip open the packs and keep the Yankee > Stadium Legacy cards and throw all the other cards away. > Now that is what I would call a card fanatic. Buying those boxes > ONLY for that particular card. > Seems like a waste of time buying those boxes looking for those > cards. Why not just go on ebay and buy lots of the cards. I have > seen lots of them on ebay. > Anyone here know the largest lot of these cards they have seen on > ebay? > The largest lot offered was supposed to have been 2,500 different > Yankee Stadium Lagacy cards. > What happened to Upper Deck? I haven't seen any boxes of Upper Deck > cards this year in card stores. > Linda ================= To: Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 16:35:23 -0500 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: 1955 Topps available A few 1955 Topps available. Let me know if you want them and PLEASE send along your mailing address to make it easier for me 23 37 41 44 56 60 94 96 104 133 136 146 To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit www.RobFitts.com ================= Date: Tue, 30 Nov 2010 17:09:46 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Bowl Season Challenge -- new rule OBCers -- As the cards start to roll in, I decided to make up a new rule. New Rule-- second place guy gets the card the First Place Guy sent in...no point in getting your own card back. If anybody thinks that's a bad rule, feel free to invoke the "you already made the rules" clause and I will disallow it! Take Care, ================= Date: Wed, 01 Dec 2010 03:03:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: My HOM guy passed away on Sunday I read in today's Los Angeles Times that my HOM guy and Rookie of the Yearin 1951, Gil McDougald, passed away on Sunday. He was one of my favorite Yankees and he will be missed.