================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 00:24:43 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: A great way to start a Friday!! Arrived at work at 7:30 this morning and as usual checked my email over coffee. Found thatan overnight finish on ebay had netted me the 1961T #579 Willie AS for $7.50. WOW!! I think it's gonna be a good day! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:17:42 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MIKE DIAMANTI Subject: Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =85 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Any player =96 or fan for that matter =96 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like a guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 23:06:49 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez My question is...why in the world are you listening to Joe Morgan? Did hispiece on how one team should try to score more runs than the other win youover? There used to be debates on Joe Morgan the player, but I think it'spretty clear that Joe Morgan the announcer is a hall of shame guy. I willturn a game off just to avoid him. Generally I am an ERA guy...or maybe a RA guy...if you have an era 1/3 better than the field, you win. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: diamanti@wildblue.net Date: Fri, 1 Oct 2010 19:17:42 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask everybody: Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =85 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Any player =96 or fan for that matter =96 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like a guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 03:20:33 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Joe Morgan is the very definition of 'asshat'. Has there ever been a conversation about the merits of any other ballplayer, current or retired, that he didn't manage to work in something about himself? Sheesh, he's discussingFelix's Cy Young candidacy, and he starts talking about his MVP awards. I think what he was talking about regarding Felix pitching in NY is that the competition he'd be facing would be quite a bit stiffer in the AL East - facing Boston and Tampa 18 times a year is a whole lot different than facing KC and Oakland. However, like Mike said, balance that out with having theYankee offense behind you, rather than Ichiro and 8 other dudes. Regardless, Joe Morgan is an asshat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask everybody: Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than itis Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guywho pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing anumber on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right.Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: =E2=A2 Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougherto pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in ahuge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? =E2=A2 Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they'renot. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessentialone-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. Theproblem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. =E2=A2 Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. =E2=A2 Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like a guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 02:46:25 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez I've heard the argument about Hernandez would have a tougher time if he hadto pitch against the East a lot. Here are his numbers in 2010: Baltimore 1-0, 0.56 Boston 1-0, 1.23 New York 3-0, 0.35 Toronto 0-1, 1.13 Tampa - no games Combined: 5-1, 0.63. I'd say that's pretty darn good! Also his numbers against teams >.500 are 10-7, 2.21 ERA compared to Sabathia, 7-3, 3.74. Also, Hernandez's run support is 3.1 versus 5.9 for Sabathia, almost twice as much. I thought Hernandez should have got the award last year when he was 19-5, 2.49. All I know is it's a lot easier to pitch when you're winning 8 to 3 than it is when it's 1 to 0 regardless of if it's in New York or Seattle. Aguy leading the league in ERA, strikeouts, innings pitched and second in WHIP (behind Cliff Lee) should get the award. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 03:20:33 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Joe Morgan is the very definition of 'asshat'. Has there ever been a conversation about the merits of any other ballplayer, current or retired, that he didn't manage to work in something about himself? Sheesh, he's discussing Felix's Cy Young candidacy, and he starts talking about his MVP awards. I think what he was talking about regarding Felix pitching in NY is that the competition he'd be facing would be quite a bit stiffer in the AL East - facing Boston and Tampa 18 times a year is a whole lot different than facing KC and Oakland. However, like Mike said, balance that out with having the Yankee offense behind you, rather than Ichiro and 8 other dudes. Regardless, Joe Morgan is an asshat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask everybody: Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than itis Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =85 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once ina while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan wasprobably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the creditgoes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say apitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Anyplayer =96 or fan for that matter =96 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied forfirst in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound likea guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 03:53:20 -0700 (PDT) To: MIKE DIAMANTI , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez What the coffee guy said!!!! "we keep what we give away!" From: MIKE DIAMANTI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 10:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easieron the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awardedby voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should notbe more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit.338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "Whenyou start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like a guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 03:59:38 -0700 (PDT) To: MIKE DIAMANTI , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez .....and further more, I think we have to keep in mind that if you pitch inNew York you don't have to pitch against the Yankees! "we keep what we give away!" From: MIKE DIAMANTI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 10:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easieron the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awardedby voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should notbe more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit.338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "Whenyou start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like a guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 15:06:38 +0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well, I hate to be a contrarian, but if I were a sports writer I'd have a tough time voting for Felix for the Cy Young. I know, his ancillary numbers are great, and he may have pitched better than anyone else in baseball thisyear, but the bottom line is, he is 13-12 (I know all the run support numbers), and 13-12 for a starting pitcher should not be Cy Young numbers. He will be the ERA leader and probably the strikeout leader (haven't looked at AL stats lately), and he deserves those titles. The Cy Young award is NOT the ERA and strikeout award, and, fair or not, wins and losses are a big part of the equation. ---- MIKE DIAMANTI wrote: > Well Gals & Guys: > Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited > about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 > years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the > outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. > The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask > everybody: > Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for theCy > Young award?! > As always let me know what y'all think.... > COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan > Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from > Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) > Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he > shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he > shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): > "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he > shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was > on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins > than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards > were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have,though, > with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want > that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things > like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher > who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one > every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. > The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next > few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just > throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then > they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." > Four things: > Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch > for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was > probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge > market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the > Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have > more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? > Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The > Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit > goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one > matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with > the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, > too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a > pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important > than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters > got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for > the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give > my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the > playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. > Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes > away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are > standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so > secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." > Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a > World Series ring. > Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is > better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is > Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA > (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first > in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for > first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like > guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 11:51:17 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Facapro #2 Rob G and Peter M Rob G cant wait to get his cards guys(1960 Carey #196) please send them along asap he really is an impatient patient heres Petes 1965 #168 green ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 12:39:01 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez I think they Cy Young is for the best pitcher. Not the pitcher with the best supporting cast. Definitely Felix for the Cy. Put it this way Pitcher 1 - 9 IP 10Ks 1 Earned Run. Loses 1-0 Pitcher 2 =E2=93 5 IP 1K 6 earned runs Wins 12-6 Can anyone with a straight face say pitcher 2 had a better game. I think its W=E2=99s that are the ancillary statistic (for a pitcher, not a team) ERA, WHIP, Ks are among the proper stats for evaluating a pitcher. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of rdn56@nc.rr.com Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 11:07 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well, I hate to be a contrarian, but if I were a sports writer I'd have a tough time voting for Felix for the Cy Young. I know, his ancillary numbers are great, and he may have pitched better than anyone else in baseball thisyear, but the bottom line is, he is 13-12 (I know all the run support numbers), and 13-12 for a starting pitcher should not be Cy Young numbers. He will be the ERA leader and probably the strikeout leader (haven't looked at AL stats lately), and he deserves those titles. The Cy Young award is NOT the ERA and strikeout award, and, fair or not, wins and losses are a big part of the equation. ---- MIKE DIAMANTI > > Well Gals & Guys: > Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited > about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 > years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the > outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. > The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask > everybody: > Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for theCy > Young award?! > As always let me know what y'all think.... > COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan > Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from > Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) > Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he > shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he > shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): > "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he > shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was > on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins > than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards > were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have,though, > with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want > that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things > like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher > who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one > every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. > The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next > few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just > throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then > they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." > Four things: > Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch > for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was > probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge > market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the > Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have > more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? > Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The > Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit > goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one > matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with > the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, > too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a > pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important > than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters > got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for > the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give > my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the > playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. > Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes > away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are > standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so > secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." > Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a > World Series ring. > Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is > better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is > Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA > (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first > in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for > first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like > guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 10:03:55 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez I have to agree with Bob N., even though I'm a big fan of Felix and the Mariners are my distantly second favorite team...I was fortunate to watch himpitch once this year and once last year. He's a stud. But, as Bob points out, not everything's fair. Poor Felix didn't win enoughgames this year. Last year was the first time on record that WINS didn't dominate the Cy Young Award voting, and I felt that both AL and NL award winners should have each been SECOND place. Lincecum and Grienke didn't win enough games, buy they did slightly better in some categories than others. So what. Like it or not, winning baseball games is the goal. Without Felix, I'm sure the Mariners would have finished in the same spot in the standings...last place. If CC was 13-12 this year the hated Yankees probably wouldn't have made theplayoffs...and that's the goal, not ERA champ or Strikeout champ. (Count up Nolan Ryan's Cy Young Awards....) Another player to consider is Rafael Soriano from the Rays. He provided lights out support to the Rays glaring bullpen weakness this year, and they won games where previously they have lost....I'm thinking he's in the top 3 this But anyway I think this year, it will revert back to where Cy Young voting has been....the whole package has to include winning games! Because Felix is so young, he'll be back in the conversation many more times. He should have won it last year, pitched well enough for second this year...and maybe will win it next year. Joe Morgan asshat. OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: rdn56@nc.rr.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2010 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well, I hate to be a contrarian, but if I were a sports writer I'd have atough time voting for Felix for the Cy Young. I know, his ancillary numbers are great, and he may have pitched better than anyone else in baseball this year, but the bottom line is, he is 13-12 (I know all the run support numbers), and 13-12 for a starting pitcher should not be Cy Young numbers. Hewill be the ERA leader and probably the strikeout leader (haven't looked at AL stats lately), and he deserves those titles. The Cy Young award is NOTthe ERA and strikeout award, and, fair or not, wins and losses are a big part of the equation. ---- MIKE DIAMANTI wrote: > Well Gals & Guys: > Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited > about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 > years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the > outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. > The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask > everybody: > Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the > Young award?! > As always let me know what y'all think.... > COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan > Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from > Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) > Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he > shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not sayinghe > shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): > "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he > shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if hewas > on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins > than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards > were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have, > with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want > that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things > like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher > who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one > every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. > The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for thenext > few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just > throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then > they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." > Four things: > Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch > for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morganwas > probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge > market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins withthe > Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have > more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? > Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The > Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit > goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one > matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problemwith > the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, > too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a > pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important > than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters > got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for > the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give > my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the > playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. > Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes > away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are > standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so > secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." > Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a > World Series ring. > Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is > better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felixis > Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first inERA > (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first > in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied > first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like > guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= Date: Sun, 03 Oct 2010 00:45:06 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: what happens if The Braves, Padres, Reds, and Giants all finish with the same record. I know the Reds are there division champs but how would home filed advantage be determined? I know my Phillies have the overall home field advantage but after that I don't know. Richard Labs ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2010 23:24:09 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] what happens if The Reds are locked in the #3 seed because they lost the season series to both San Francisco and San Diego. The Phillies are #1 and the winner of theWest will be #2. If the Braves lose on Sunday and the Padres win then the Padres get the West based on H2H against San Fran and the Giants get the wild card based on record while the Braves hit the golf course. If the Braves lose and the Giants win then the Giants win the West and the Padres will play at Atlanta for the wild card on Monday. If the Padres win and the Braves win then the Giants will play at San Diegoon Monday for the division. The loser will play at Atlanta on Tuesday forthe wild card. Location of the tie-breaking games is determined by head to head record. ATL (4) - SD (2) ATL (4) - SF (3) SD (4) - CIN (2) SD (12) - SF (5) SF (4) - CIN (3) Hope this helps. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rlabs1@elp.rr.com Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 00:45:06 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] what happens if The Braves, Padres, Reds, and Giants all finish with the same record. I know the Reds are there division champs but how would home filed advantage be determined? I know my Phillies have the overall home field advantage but after that I don't know. Richard Labs ================= To: , Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 09:19:32 -0400 From: Joe Isaac Subject: new articles in the Library Hi everyone, Chris Stufflestreet was kind enough to share 5 articles for our enjoyment and you can find them in the Library under ALL ABOUT THE CARDS. Thanks Chris! ================= Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2010 10:54:08 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MIKE DIAMANTI Subject: More Cy Young Well Gals & Guys: Just looked up the Cy Young award background on the GoogleyNet and the key point is that baseball writers give their opinions about who is the best pitcher, in the form of votes, and this translates into an "award" -- all based on personal opinions. I would imagine that "Helping your team win" may likely be part of the opinion of each voting writer, but I've never heard any of the baseball writers who vote, explain what their analysis or reasoning process was, that had them picking pitcher x, y or z. This "award" isn't a pure statistic "winner" like RBI leader, or HR leader (which we all love to read on the backs of our beloved cards). I would like to see a pure statistic category "winner" for each league, in pitching, much like the RBI Leader or HR Leader. And as we know, something like the Triple Crown winner, is pretty rare. So the Cy Young award, designed in 1956 by Ford Frick, as an award to honor Cy Young, has become an award chosen by a small number of people, but not representative of the collective sports opinions of we, the rest of the Let the debates continue! COFFEEFELLA waiting to watch some great baseball playoffs.... ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 03:06:10 +0000 (UTC) To: Geordie Calvert From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Hey All, I always enjoy these conversations and always appreciate the "homer" perspective that usually permeates the discussion. As forMY 'homer' pic's - How `bout TIGERS Caberea for MVP and Jackson for ROY. Once again the discussion gets sidetracked because the Hometown team IS NOT playoff bound BUT a very good argument for each could be made despite the fact that they did not lead the team to the post season. Others will most likely get the nod BUT I am in full support of MY "homers". As for Hernandez quest for Cy Young - I just don'tsee it. Wins & Losses have to a part of the equation, not "what ifs". BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geordie Calvert" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 11:20:33 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Joe Morgan is the very definition of 'asshat'. Has there ever been a conversation about the merits of any other ballplayer, current or retired, that he didn't manage to work in something about himself? Sheesh, he's discussing Felix's Cy Young candidacy, and he starts talking about his MVP I think what he was talking about regarding Felix pitching in NY is that the competition he'd be facing would be quite a bit stiffer in the AL East - facing Boston and Tampa 18 times a year is a whole lot different than facing KC and Oakland. However, like Mike said, balance that out with having the Yankee offense behind you, rather than Ichiro and 8 other dudes. Regardless, Joe Morgan is an asshat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask everybody: Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than itis Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guywho pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing anumber on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right.Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: =E2=A2 Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougherto pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in ahuge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? =E2=A2 Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they'renot. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessentialone-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. Theproblem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. =E2=A2 Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Any player =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. =E2=A2 Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like a guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 09:05:20 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Re:new articles in the Library Great stuff, Chris. You found some good images to use in your stories just posted on the library page. Thanks for the plug about OBC and "the beaters." That one is truly an OBC story. Nice job on figuring out the 1973 Topps photography as well. George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:09:58 -0400 To: talbot1@comcast.net From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Good argument for your home town Tigers. Why should they be penalized for an individual award because their team is not so hot. However, should not the same logic be applied to Hernandez, you seem to be dismissing him because he plays on a team that can't hit, which is the main cause of his low win total. On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:06 PM, wrote: > Hey All, > I always enjoy these conversations and always appreciate the "homer" > perspective that usually permeates the discussion. As for MY 'homer' pic's > - How `bout TIGERS Caberea for MVP and Jackson for ROY. Once again the > discussion gets sidetracked because the Hometown team IS NOT playoff bound > BUT a very good argument for each could be made despite the fact that they > did not lead the team to the post season. Others will most likely get the > nod BUT I am in full support of MY "homers". > As for Hernandez quest for Cy Young - I just don't see it. Wins & > Losses have to a part of the equation, not "what ifs". BE WELL!!! > REGARDS -------------- MARK > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Geordie Calvert" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 11:20:33 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez > Joe Morgan is the very definition of 'asshat'. Has there ever been a > conversation about the merits of any other ballplayer, current or retired, > that he didn't manage to work in something about himself? Sheesh, he's > discussing Felix's Cy Young candidacy, and he starts talking about his MVP > awards. > I think what he was talking about regarding Felix pitching in NY is that > the competition he'd be facing would be quite a bit stiffer in the AL East > facing Boston and Tampa 18 times a year is a whole lot different than facing > KC and Oakland. However, like Mike said, balance that out with having the > Yankee offense behind you, rather than Ichiro and 8 other dudes. > Regardless, Joe Morgan is an asshat. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:17:42 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez > Well Gals & Guys: > Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited > about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 > years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the > outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. > The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask > everybody: > Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the > Cy Young award?! > As always let me know what y'all think.... > COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan > Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from > Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) > Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he > shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he > shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): > "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he > shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was > on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins > than it is Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards > were won because my team helped me. =85 I think the problem I have, though, > with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want > that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things > like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher > who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one > every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. > The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next > few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just > throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then > they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." > Four things: > Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to > pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know > Morgan was probably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight ina > huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with > the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have > more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? > Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The > Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the credit > goes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one > matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with > the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, > too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say a > pitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important > than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters > got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for > the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give > my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the > playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. > Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes > away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are > standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so > secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." > Any player =96 or fan for that matter =96 would trade a Cy Young Award for > World Series ring. > Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is > better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is > Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA > (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first > in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied for > first in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound like > guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up > anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: , Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 11:25:36 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Who did you vote for for MVP? I personally am going to vote for Pat Burrell because of the great ptiching the Giants have...makes as much sense as voting for CC ;-) To: talbot1@comcast.net CC: dodgergeo@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:09:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Good argument for your home town Tigers. Why should they be penalized for an individual award because their team is not so hot. However, should not the same logic be applied to Hernandez, you seem to be dismissing him because he plays on a team that can't hit, which is the main cause of his low win On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:06 PM, wrote: Hey All, I always enjoy these conversations and always appreciate the "homer" perspective that usually permeates the discussion. As for MY 'homer' pic's - How `bout TIGERS Caberea for MVP and Jackson for ROY. Once again the discussion gets sidetracked because the Hometown team IS NOT playoff bound BUT avery good argument for each could be made despite the fact that they did not lead the team to the post season. Others will most likely get the nod BUT I am in full support of MY "homers". As for Hernandez quest for Cy Young - I just don't see it. Wins & Losses have to a part of the equation, not "what ifs". BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geordie Calvert" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 11:20:33 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Joe Morgan is the very definition of 'asshat'. Has there ever been a conversation about the merits of any other ballplayer, current or retired, that he didn't manage to work in something about himself? Sheesh, he's discussing Felix's Cy Young candidacy, and he starts talking about his MVP awards. I think what he was talking about regarding Felix pitching in NY is that the competition he'd be facing would be quite a bit stiffer in the AL East - facing Boston and Tampa 18 times a year is a whole lot different than facing KC and Oakland. However, like Mike said, balance that out with having the Yankee offense behind you, rather than Ichiro and 8 other dudes. Regardless, Joe Morgan is an asshat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask everybody: Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than itis Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =85 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once ina while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guy who pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing a number on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right. Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan wasprobably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the creditgoes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say apitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Anyplayer =96 or fan for that matter =96 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied forfirst in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound likea guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 13:57:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez I personally have not problem with the King winning it...historically it has not always been about wins...relievers have won the award, people who have had a significant impact on their team have won the award. And to play devil's advocate...there have been several pitchers who won forlast or nearly last place teams...a few that come to mind are Steve Carlton in '73 where he won the majority of his games despite his team being truly awful. Halliday has won it on sub-par Blue Jays teams. -----Original Message----- From: Mac Wubben To: obcbobd ; talbot1 Cc: dodgergeo ; obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Oct 4, 2010 8:28 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Who did you vote for for MVP? I personally am going to vote for Pat Burrell because of the great ptiching the Giants have...makes as much sense as voting for CC ;-) To: talbot1@comcast.net CC: dodgergeo@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcbobd@gmail.com Date: Mon, 4 Oct 2010 10:09:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Good argument for your home town Tigers. Why should they be penalized for an individual award because their team is not so hot. However, should not the same logic be applied to Hernandez, you seem to be dismissing him because he plays on a team that can't hit, which is the main cause of his low win On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 11:06 PM, wrote: Hey All, I always enjoy these conversations and always appreciate the "homer" perspective that usually permeates the discussion. As for MY 'homer' pic's - How `bout TIGERS Caberea for MVP and Jackson for ROY. Once again the discussion gets sidetracked because the Hometown team IS NOT playoff bound BUT avery good argument for each could be made despite the fact that they did not lead the team to the post season. Others will most likely get the nod BUT I am in full support of MY "homers". As for Hernandez quest for Cy Young - I just don't see it. Wins & Losses have to a part of the equation, not "what ifs". BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geordie Calvert" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 11:20:33 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Joe Morgan is the very definition of 'asshat'. Has there ever been a conversation about the merits of any other ballplayer, current or retired, that he didn't manage to work in something about himself? Sheesh, he's discussing Felix's Cy Young candidacy, and he starts talking about his MVP awards. I think what he was talking about regarding Felix pitching in NY is that the competition he'd be facing would be quite a bit stiffer in the AL East - facing Boston and Tampa 18 times a year is a whole lot different than facing KC and Oakland. However, like Mike said, balance that out with having the Yankee offense behind you, rather than Ichiro and 8 other dudes. Regardless, Joe Morgan is an asshat. ----- Original Message ----- From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 1, 2010 7:17:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Joe Morgan Cy Young Felix Hernandez Well Gals & Guys: Here in the PacNorwest we haven't had ANY thing baseball to get excited about this year, except two things: Ichiro with is 200 plus hits in 10 years, AFTER his career in Japan, where he is a God, by the way; and the outstanding record posted by Mariners' pitcher, Felix Hernandez. The media always start early with the awards/frenzy/talk, but I gotta ask everybody: Do you agree with Joe Morgan, or what's your take on the criteria for the Cy Young award?! As always let me know what y'all think.... COFFEEDUDE in Coupeville, puzzled and irritated by Joe Morgan Here's the Cut/Paste from the Seattle PI (but the PI got the story from Michael Rand, of the Mpls. Star/Tribune) Rand: Here's what Morgan had to say about Felix Hernandez and why he shouldn't win the Cy Young Award. (Yes, I know he says, "I'm not saying he shouldn't," but then he goes on to say he shouldn't): "People are saying (Felix) Hernandez should win. I'm not saying he shouldn't. But how are you going to judge what he would have done if he was on the Yankees. It's tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than itis Seattle. All individual awards are team awards. My MVP awards were won because my team helped me. =E2=A6 I think the problem I have, though, with some statistics is we start to individualize the players. I don't want that. It's still a team game. ... When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game. It's like a pitcher who goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything. Is he better than the guy who pitches nine innings and loses one every once in a while? The guy who pitches nine innings helps the bullpen. The guywho pitches nine innings makes it easier on the manager for the next few games. There are so many things that are involved other than just throwing anumber on something. If people think I'm not for that, then they're right.Because I still think it's a team game." Four things: Can anyone possibly argue with a straight face that it's "tougher to pitch for the Yankees and win or the Twins than it is Seattle?" I know Morgan wasprobably referencing the pressure of being in the spotlight in a huge market, but does anyone doubt that Felix would have 8-10 more wins with the Yankees offense supporting him? Does anyone think CC Sabathia would have more than Felix's 13 wins if he pitched for the Mariners? Morgan says, "All individual awards are team awards." No, they're not. The Cy Young Award is about as individual as awards get. A little of the creditgoes to the defense, but we are talking about the quintessential one-on-one matchup in team sports outside of a penalty kick in soccer. The problem with the Cy Young is that it's, necessarily, awarded by voters. Unfortunately, too many voters weigh win-loss records too heavily. I'm not one to say apitcher's record should not be a factor, but it should not be more important than ERA, strikeouts and quality starts, to name a few. Imagine if voters got to pick the batting champion? (Sorry Carlos Gonzalez. You hit .338 for the Rockies this season but you didn't make the playoffs. I'll have to give my vote to Joey Votto because the Reds had more wins and they made the playoffs. After all, the batting title is a team award.) Nonsense. Morgan says, "When you start to individualize things like that, it takes away the team concept from the game." No it doesn't. That's why there are standings and playoffs and the World Series. The individual awards are so secondary that they could never take away "the team concept from the game." Anyplayer =E2=93 or fan for that matter =E2=93 would trade a Cy Young Award for a World Series ring. Morgan says a pitcher who goes deep into games and loses occasionally is better than a guy who throws five scoreless innings every outing. Felix is Morgan's kind of guy. Among American League starters, he ranks first in ERA (2.27), first in innings pitched (249.2), first in strikeouts (232), first in quality starts (30), first in opponents' batting average (.212), tied forfirst in starts (34) and third in complete games (6). Does that sound likea guy who "goes out and pitches five innings every game and doesn't give up anything?" No. It's the opposite. ================= Date: Mon, 04 Oct 2010 18:52:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "distelrath66" Subject: Can somebody point me in the direction to buy sheets that hold smaller cards? As most of you probably know, I am collecting the 1941 Play Ball set. I am officially 66% finished with the set and would like to display them in a binder. Fortunately, this set only consists of 72 cards so it should only take eight or less sheets. Does anybody know if they make special sheets forthe 1948 -- 1950 Bowman cards? If so, do you suppose that the Play Ball cards would fit in them? I know that the cards are slightly larger than the Bowman cards as well as the leaf cards, but I do not think that they are very much larger, so they should fit in the special sleeves (hopefully). Has anybody ever tried to get sheets for Play Ball cards? If you have sheets forBowman cards, would you mind measuring the pocket size for me? I would greatly appreciate it. I would very much like to show off my set in a binder, but I am greatly confused as to what type of sheet to buy. Thanks for the help guys! Ryan Distelrath -- oh yeah! If you can point me to a website that sells them, that would beappreciated as well. ================= Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 00:26:47 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: My latest read/addition to the library My sports library continues to grow. This morning, I've just started out onthis Big Hair And Plastic Grass Only through the first chapter, but man this is a fun read!! This was one of 3books which were gifted to me by my work colleagues formy recent birthday, the others being: Cardboard Gods The Detroit Tigers - A Pictorial Celebration of the Greatest Players and Moments in Tigers History It seems they raided my Amazon Wish List. So you see, its definitely worth keeping that kind of thing up to date! I've also recently finished a book that a few of you have already spoken about "Mint Condition: How Baseball Cards became an American Obsession". Definitely worthchecking out to give you a decent grounding in the history of our own Lastly, I've just added Joe Pepitone's mid-1970s autobiography - "Joe, You Coulda Made Us Proud" -to my library "want-list", so if anyone happens across copy in a second-hand bookstore or yard sale anywhere, please keep me in mind! Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 13:35:35 -0500 From: "George and Susan Vrechek" Subject: Collector, Dealer, Store Owner Steve Gold 1958-2010 Steve Gold was the owner of AU Sports Memorabilia store outside Chicago. After a long fight against cancer, Steve died last Thursday. In 2009 I wrote a story about Steve and the card store that appeared in SCD and is also now posted on our "library" page. Steve was a good guy and kept upbeat despite his extreme situation. The store will continue to be run by Tom Robak who had taken over responsibilities for Steve during this past year. George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Tue, 05 Oct 2010 16:10:27 -0400 From: Jeffrey Delott Subject: Bowman Swap I have a 1952 Gil Hodges in solid VG that I am looking to swap for a 1952 Bowman Enos Slaughter is like condition. I will be happy to swap scans. Jeffrey Delott ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 16:23:07 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Facapro #3 Ed Schott and Randy Griffin Heres the 3rd group. let me know if youve sent or received anything yet Ive sent some stuff and hopefully this is working out. If not let me know and I ll stop the presses mine is 1964 # 22 Jerry Adair Randys - 1964 #204 Matty Alou ================= To: , Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2010 21:07:30 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Facapro #3 Ed Schott and Randy Griffin Don't give up yet, Eddd I'm still playing...looking for these cards has been fun. If you've seen my"collection" it's not so easy as to just open a box and find a card by itsnumber. Its more like a hour long scavenger hunt! OBC forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 1:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Facapro #3 Ed Schott and Randy Griffin Heres the 3rd group. let me know if youve sent or received anything yet Ive sent some stuff and hopefully this is working out. If not let me know and I ll stop the presses mine is 1964 # 22 Jerry Adair Randys - 1964 #204 MattyAlou ================= Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 00:59:11 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Some good "Buy It Now" deals on ebay 1959 #360 Al Kaline $6.49 1959 #163 Sandy Koufax $16.99 1962 #320 Hank Aaron $14.99 1963 #115 Yaz $4.49 1965 #130 Al Kaline $6.49 1965 #320 Bob Gibson $6.49 1966 #1 Willie Mays $22.49 1966 #100 Sandy Koufax $14.99 Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 11:15:40 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: UPDATE - Possible 1963 Variation Survey Thanks for those that went through their cards and sent me information. After examining the results it appears that the only variation involving the lines on the back is #376 Johnnie Wyatt. Of course George Vrchek is way ahead of everybody on this. He contributed a very informative article on the 1963 to the OBC library. http://www.oldbaseball.com/refs/1963_New_Variations.pdf From: boreed@hotmail.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Possible 1963 Variation Survey Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 13:31:19 -0400 Last year Ant Arbeeny discovered a variation with card #376 from the 1963 set with Johnnie Wyatt (see attached photo). Two of the lines separating the stat columns on the back with broken on one card and unbroken on the other. I tried to do a survey last year with the variation group but got limited responses and my initial spreadsheet was difficult to follow. I've update the spreadsheet and decided to send it to the ramblings survey in hopes to get more feedback. We believe there might be other variations in the set. It most likely deals with the players that missed two consecutive seasons due to military service. If you could look through your 1963 cards and mark on the attached spreadsheet how many you have of each card and if they match the number of unbrokenlines I listed in Column D I would appreciate it. Just mark in the Count column (E) how many you have that matches the information listed. If you have cards that don't match the information then mark that in the Variation column (F) and add to the Notes column (G). Please send the spreadsheets back to me and I'll try to gather all of the information. ================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 01:26:46 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1961 Topps - An "Oops" moment I've just received 5 1961T cards which I recently picked up on ebay, including #401 "Babe Ruth Hits 60th Homer". The back of that card describes Ruth's achievement, and finishes off by stating, "Babe's new record is one which will undoubtedly stand for years to come." Almost right. They just needed to take "s" out of the word "years". Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: easchott@comcast.net, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 11:43:58 -0400 (EDT) From: FIREMAN Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Facapro #2 Rob G and Peter M Thanks go out to Josh Levine. Josh sends my first Facapro of the 1960 topps Andy Carey Great card Thank you -----Original Message----- From: Ed Schott To: obc-wantlist Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Sat, Oct 2, 2010 7:51 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Facapro #2 Rob G and Peter M Rob G cant wait to get his cards guys(1960 Carey #196) please send them along asap he really is an impatient patient heres Petes 1965 #168 green ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 19:32:09 -0400 (EDT) From: FIREMAN Subject: OCTOBER waiver Hello all have a crack at these if you r working on the set and ya need them drop me an email w/your address and I will let you know if your claim is a good one...LOL nah as long as its not claimed i will get it out to u 1954 bowman # 9 1955 bowman # 14 1955 topps # 58/62 1956 topps #86/89 1957 topps Mid series #308 1958 topps #460 1959 topps # 361/378/431/447 1962 post # 79 1962 topps # 271/296 1963 topps # 42 1963 fleer # 17 THE REST ARE TOPPS SETS 1964 # 66 1966# 11/16/33/187/191/243/250/436 1967 # 203/267 1968 # 321969 # 384 1970 # 108/109/137 1971 # 349 1972 # 220/285/361/606 1973 # 273/296/649 1976 # 129/235 1977 # 378 ================= Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2010 23:16:08 -0700 To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Mike Rumley-Wells Guys and Linda, I just finished The view from where I stand by Doug Glanville (Cubs, Phillies, Rangers, Cubs, Phillies). I enjoyed it a lot. He tried to give an insider look at the daily life and various challenges of a major league baseball player. If you like that kind of thing, I highly recommend it. I also wanted to mention that I made the Mariners' season finale (they lost a close game to the A's; Ichiro had the tying run in scoring position with 2 out in the 9th). I brought our young adult group and we had a blast. Felix was slated to pitch, but they pulled him "to protect their investment." They had him take a curtain call instead (rolling my eyes). But to put my unnecessary two cents in, we were looking up all the stats for how pathetically the M's failed to back up Felix with run production in his starts. I'm a Yankee fan and unapologetic, but to say it's harder to win pitching for the Yankees when they cover your behind with big numbers versus a team that scored LESS THAN A RUN PER GAME IN 10 OF FELIX'S LOSSES? Yes, everyone who plays in New York experiences media pressure, but what can be harder than winning a game pitching for a team that scores no runs? In the American League you can't step in and hit one for yourself. I think there are good arguments for Felix to win the Cy Young, and of course it's an individual award. But of all major sports, what other feat is so utterly impossible? Even a soccer or hockey goalie could, theoretically, score a goal, but a pitcher who doesn't bat? I'm not a Mariners' fan, though I cheer for them in Safeco as long as they aren't playing the Yanks or Phils. But I think Felix Hernandez's accomplishments, in spite of his lack of run support, were phenomenal and I'll be happy for him if he gets the votes. Wild and woolly playoffs so far! Pretty exciting. Peace to you all, ================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 00:13:29 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: jd3681@yahoo.com Subject: To OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com!, RE: hi! OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com! http://modeljob.com.tw/to.php Best regards, ================= To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:15:12 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Fw: Distelrath Kilbourn Hattox....... Facapro #4 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2010 9:25 PM Subject: Distelrath Kilbourn Hattox....... Facapro #4 here are the next 3... Brocks is 53 B Reese...EEKs is 58 #81 Boros.. Ryans is 59 Romano #138 ================= To: Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 09:16:53 -0500 From: "Mark Zentkovich" Subject: cardinals baseball book available I just finished this, it was pretty good Whitey's Boys- about the 82 WS Champion Cardinals if anyone wants it pls let me know I will take whatever cards you want to throw my way for it thanks, markz http://home.earthlink.net/~mzentko/ ================= Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2010 07:43:20 -0700 (PDT) To: jd3681@yahoo.com, jacksonfreecycle@yahoogroups.com, From: jd3681@yahoo.com http://designandsigns.com/to.php Best regards, ================= To: , Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2010 14:49:51 -0400 From: "senthi" Subject: burger king needs Hello All, Knowing this was around for a long time I still did not try to complete but know I am 1977 burger king Need #1,2,3,4,8,10,12.15,16,17,19,21,22,23 have #20,7 beat up extra Here is the checklist: 1977 Yankees Burger King 1 Billy Martin 1977 Yankees Burger King 2 Thurman Munson 1977 Yankees Burger King 3 Fran Healy 1977 Yankees Burger King 4 Jim Hunter 1977 Yankees Burger King 5 Ed Figueroa 1977 Yankees Burger King 6 Don Gullett 1977 Yankees Burger King 7 Mike Torrez 1977 Yankees Burger King 8 Ken Holtzman 1977 Yankees Burger King 9 Dick Tidrow 1977 Yankees Burger King 10 Sparky Lyle 1977 Yankees Burger King 11 Ron Guidry 1977 Yankees Burger King 12 Chris Chambliss 1977 Yankees Burger King 13 Willie Randolph 1977 Yankees Burger King 14 Bucky Dent 1977 Yankees Burger King 15 Graig Nettles 1977 Yankees Burger King 16 Fred Stanley 1977 Yankees Burger King 17 Reggie Jackson 1977 Yankees Burger King 18 Mickey Rivers 1977 Yankees Burger King 19 Roy White 1977 Yankees Burger King 20 Jim Wynn 1977 Yankees Burger King 21 Paul Blair 1977 Yankees Burger King 22 Carlos May 1977 Yankees Burger King 23 Lou Piniella 1977 Yankees Burger King NNO Yankees Team Card Here is the checklist: 1979 Phillies Burger King 1 Danny Ozark 1979 Phillies Burger King 2 Bob Boone 1979 Phillies Burger King 3 Tim McCarver 1979 Phillies Burger King 4 Steve Carlton 1979 Phillies Burger King 5 Larry Christenson 1979 Phillies Burger King 6 Dick Ruthven 1979 Phillies Burger King 7 Ron Reed 1979 Phillies Burger King 8 Randy Lerch 1979 Phillies Burger King 9 Warren Brusstar 1979 Phillies Burger King 10 Tug McGraw 1979 Phillies Burger King 11 Nino Espinosa 1979 Phillies Burger King 12 Doug Bird 1979 Phillies Burger King 13 Pete Rose 1979 Phillies Burger King 14 Manny Trillo 1979 Phillies Burger King 15 Larry Bowa 1979 Phillies Burger King 16 Mike Schmidt 1979 Phillies Burger King 17 Pete Mackanin 1979 Phillies Burger King 18 Jose Cardenal 1979 Phillies Burger King 19 Greg Luzinski 1979 Phillies Burger King 20 Garry Maddox 1979 Phillies Burger King 21 Bake McBride 1979 Phillies Burger King 22 Greg Gross 1979 Phillies Burger King NNO Checklist Card Team Photo Here is the checklist: 1979 Yankees Burger King 1 Bob Lemon 1979 Yankees Burger King 2 Thurman Munson 1979 Yankees Burger King 3 Cliff Johnson 1979 Yankees Burger King 4 Ron Guidry 1979 Yankees Burger King 5 Jay Johnstone 1979 Yankees Burger King 6 Jim Hunter 1979 Yankees Burger King 7 Jim Beattie 1979 Yankees Burger King 8 Luis Tiant 1979 Yankees Burger King 9 Tommy John 1979 Yankees Burger King 10 Goose Gossage 1979 Yankees Burger King 11 Ed Figueroa 1979 Yankees Burger King 12 Chris Chambliss 1979 Yankees Burger King 13 Willie Randolph 1979 Yankees Burger King 14 Bucky Dent 1979 Yankees Burger King 15 Graig Nettles 1979 Yankees Burger King 16 Fred Stanley 1979 Yankees Burger King 17 Jim Spencer 1979 Yankees Burger King 18 Lou Piniella 1979 Yankees Burger King 19 Roy White 1979 Yankees Burger King 20 Mickey Rivers 1979 Yankees Burger King 21 Reggie Jackson 1979 Yankees Burger King 22 Juan Beniquez 1979 Yankees Burger King NNO Checklist Card Team Photo ================= To: OBC-Ramblings Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 08:42:52 -0400 From: Joe Isaac Subject: OBC Dealer Page Hi everyone, It's finally updated, the new OBC dealer page with photos of our favorite dealers. Many thanks to George Vrechek for managing the acquisition of the photos and to all who contributed with photos from the Baltimore national. ================= To: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 18:57:42 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Fw: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE This is the 5th of 7 emails ...9 cards left Bob Reed 1970 #207 Reed Brian Lindholme 1971 football #186 Kiick Glenn Codere 1967 #540 Cash ================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:03:36 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Fw: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE Much as I appreciate the effort, Ed, I'm not entirely confident of finding myself snowed under by '67 Norm Cash cards! ps This is fun, though! pps I'd happily accept 1969 Norm Cash cards instead............. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List From: Ed Schott To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 11:57:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] Fw: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE This is the 5th of 7 emails ...9 cards left Bob Reed 1970 #207 Reed Brian Lindholme 1971 football #186 Kiick Glenn Codere 1967 #540 Cash ================= To: Glenn Codere , OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 20:00:15 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Fw: favorite card project Should be interesting between you and Brock (1953B Reese) on who gets one first. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 16:03:36 -0700 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Fw: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE Much as I appreciate the effort, Ed, I'm not entirely confident of finding myself snowed under by '67 Norm Cash cards! ps This is fun, though! pps I'd happily accept 1969 Norm Cash cards instead............. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List From: Ed Schott To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, October 12, 2010 11:57:42 PM Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] Fw: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 11:49 AM Subject: favorite card project "Fa.ca.pro" #5- REED LINDHOLM CODERE This is the 5th of 7 emails ...9 cards left Bob Reed 1970 #207 Reed Brian Lindholme 1971 football #186 Kiick Glenn Codere 1967 #540 Cash ================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:42:31 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Uncle Dick Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= To: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 21:53:12 -0400 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: An announcement, a favor, and a freebie In tomorrow's mail goes my first all group mailing. For those of you with really difficult want lists, you will have to wait two weeks until I returnfrom Japan with some vintage cards that I know you don't have (no Lynn, I can't afford to bring you back the Sadaharu Oh / Hank Aaron Calbee card). WARNING -- The next part of this message is self-serving but I hope some of you will continue reading and help out if you can. As some of you may know, I write books about Japanese baseball. Getting the word out if difficult so I had Gary Cieradkowski, the creator of the Infinite Baseball card Series, produce a card of Wally Yonamine for me. If youhaven't seen Gary's work, check it out at http://infinitecardset.blogspot.com/ You'll love it. Yonamine was the first Asian to play for an NFL franchise and the first American to play pro ball in Japan after World War 2 AND the subject of my latest book (Wally Yonamine: The Man who Changed Japanese Baseball). Anyway, I've included two of these cards in each envelope. If you have a chance, help spread the word about Wally and my book by giving one of these cards to a non-OBCer. I'd really appreciate it and your friend WILL like the card- I promise. Finally, I'd like to give away two copies of the Wally Yonamine book and three copies of my first book Remembering Japanese Baseball to the first OBCers who claim them. There is a catch. If you like the book, please write ashort Amazon review and tell a friend about it. I need all the help that I can get to spread the word about my books so I'dappreciate any help that I can get. Now back to your regularly scheduled, discussion of baseball cards To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit www.RobFitts.com ================= Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 22:46:28 EDT To: brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Content-Language: en I usually spend a lot of time at dick's table in chicago and at national. not a lot of beaters, and usually very good and fair prices. i know TJ spends a lot of time as well. i would highly endorse him. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 10/12/2010 8:43:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, brockhattox@cs.com writes: Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= To: Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:00:22 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Facapro #5 sub Much as I appreciate the effort, Ed, I'm not entirely confident of finding myself snowed under by '67 Norm Cash cards! ps This is fun, though! pps I'd happily accept 1969 Norm Cash cards instead............. 1969 #80 Norm Cash ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2010 23:12:10 -0400 (EDT) From: FIREMAN Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Uncle Dick has also mentioned to me how he would like to be one of our obc dealers. I spend time at his table at the Natonals, and at the White Plainsshows. He doesnt have an obc stack but does give discounts no set % but healways knocks some $$ off of the price. Just like Gary Mandell i would highly endorse him as well FIREMAN (gioia) -----Original Message----- From: smartalecx To: brockhattox ; OBC-Ramblings Sent: Tue, Oct 12, 2010 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I usually spend a lot of time at dick's table in chicago and at national. not a lot of beaters, and usually very good and fair prices. i know TJ spends a lot of time as well. i would highly endorse him. Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 10/12/2010 8:43:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, brockhattox@cs.com Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like tome listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 03:15:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "welfar03" Subject: 1954 Topps Rizzuto I picked this card up at a local shop. I only have about 5 54's so I'm notreally working on this set. If anyone would like to trade let me know. It's in good shape. Only major problem is that the bottom left corner is missing. This only effects the boarder and doesn't touch the picture. Has acrease on the bottom right corner and two pin holes at the top center touching the "TO" in his name. If you need a scan let me know. Ken P. ================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 04:12:53 +0000 (UTC) To: Joe Isaac From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dealer Page Looks Great Joe!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Isaac" To: "OBC-Ramblings" Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42:52 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Dealer Page Hi everyone, It's finally updated, the new OBC dealer page with photos of our favorite dealers. Many thanks to George Vrechek for managing the acquisition ofthe photos and to all who contributed with photos from the Baltimore national. ================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 02:11:36 EDT To: ochiaifitts@verizon.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] An announcement, a favor, and a freebie Content-Language: en I am a SABR and have met Rob more times there then he would want to admit. I have both his books (autographed by the author himself) and would recommend both books. His first one gives a perspective of not only Japanese greats but Americans who went over there. It isn't sugar coated where he only writes about the players who have nothing good to say about japan but ones like Darryl Spencer who spent years over there and could find nothing good about the country or the way they played baseball. The book on Wally was a read theat all I can say is I read it in Two days because I was forced by my wife to do things on our vacation other than read it, In a message dated 10/12/2010 8:53:18 P.M. Central Daylight Time, ochiaifitts@verizon.net writes: In tomorrow's mail goes my first all group mailing. For those of you with really difficult want lists, you will have to wait two weeks until I return from Japan with some vintage cards that I know you don't have (no Lynn, can't afford to bring you back the Sadaharu Oh / Hank Aaron Calbee card). WARNING -- The next part of this message is self-serving but I hope some of you will continue reading and help out if you can. As some of you may know, I write books about Japanese baseball. Getting the word out if difficult so I had Gary Cieradkowski, the creator of the Infinite Baseball card Series, produce a card of Wally Yonamine for me. If you haven't seen Gary's work, check it out at _http://infinitecardset.blogspot.com/_ (http://infinitecardset.blogspot.com/) You'll love it. Yonamine was the first Asian to play for an NFL franchise and the first American to play pro ball in Japan after World War 2 AND the subject of my latest book (Wally Yonamine: The Man who Changed Japanese Baseball). Anyway, I've included two of these cards in each envelope. If you have a chance, help spread the word about Wally and my book by giving one of these cards to a non-OBCer. I'd really appreciate it and your friend WILL like the card- I Finally, I'd like to give away two copies of the Wally Yonamine book and three copies of my first book Remembering Japanese Baseball to the first OBCers who claim them. There is a catch. If you like the book, please write a short Amazon review and tell a friend about it. I need all the help that I can get to spread the word about my books so I'd appreciate any help that I can get. Now back to your regularly scheduled, discussion of baseball cards To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the 2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit _www.RobFitts.com_ (http://www.robfitts.com/) ================= To: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 08:01:53 -0400 From: "Rob Fitts" Subject: Fitts Books thanks to Ray for the VERY kind words. The sample books have all been claimed and I'll send them out tomorrow To see my books and current projects including WALLY YONAMINE: THE MAN WHO CHANGED JAPANESE BASEBALL & REMEMBERING JAPANESE BASEBALL: AN ORAL HISTORY OF THE GAME -Winner of the2005 Sporting News/SABR Award for Best Baseball Research visit www.RobFitts.com ================= Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:37:16 +0000 (UTC) To: brockhattox@cs.com From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I would also highly support Uncle Dick being added to our OBC Dealer page. I always make sure I visit Uncle Dick's table when we have the big shows here in Chicago. He has always knocked the price down, never a set %, but always discounted. At the last show, he had a $2 box and a $1 box that were loaded with some gems. On top of it all, he is a nice person and easy to talk with. I give him a big thumbs T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= To: Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 17:07:36 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I'm fine with Uncle Dick also, though I am not sure he gives OBCers any more discount than anyone (I could be wrong on this, if so please correct me). And I have a question. I know there is a dealer on the OBC favorites list,(I forget his name just now, but he lives in Valley Cottage, NY) who doesn't respond to me. He answered an email just once and said he would get back to me, then nothing again, even after repeated emails. I have spoken to another OBCer about this and he reported having an unsatisfactory dealing with this dealer. So is there any review process for these favorites? Are they a favorite forever once they "get in"? Secondly, I met a dealer at the National in Baltimore, "One dollar" Keith (who coincidentally is a friend of Uncle Dick), who would love to be an OBC favorite. Extremely friendly to everyone, his table sells only $1 cards, from the early '50s on up. I spent a fair # of $1 bills at his table, but he gives no discounts to anyone. Could he qualify, since he does not give OBCers special consideration? Thanks for any thoughts on these. Richard D To: brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tvalacak@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:37:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I would also highly support Uncle Dick being added to our OBC Dealer page.I always make sure I visit Uncle Dick's table when we have the big shows here in Chicago. He has always knocked the price down, never a set %, but always discounted. At the last show, he had a $2 box and a $1 box that were loaded with some gems. On top of it all, he is a nice person and easy to talk with. I give him a big thumbs up. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= To: OBC-Ramblings Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 21:52:16 -0400 From: Joe Isaac Subject: Dealer page update Grant Rainsley sent me a contribution to the Dealer page - a nice mug shot of Tiger Dave Murray. Thanks Grant! ================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 (UTC) To: richard dingman From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Hello Richard and other OBC'ers, As a member at large of the OBCAC I wanted to addressRick's concerns about the Certified Dealers listings on the OBC web site. The following is taken directly from the ROC (the Rules of Conduct are also found on the website): Dealer Requirements For a dealer to be listed on the =E2=9COBC Friendly Dealer=E2=9D section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC member can petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. "OBC Friendly Dealers" can be removed from the list; if an OBC member complains to the OBCAC about a dealer listed, the OBCAC will approach the membership to gather enough information to either retain or remove said dealer. So if there are any additional comments about JohnMorrison please submit them to THIS FORUM so that the OBCAC can investigate. I for one have never had a problem with John - he goes by the nameoldbbcards on eBay and I have picked up many items from him over the yearsthrough the auction and "Buy it Now" format. I have also received a few items he was able to pull from his inventory from my want list when we were completing an auction lot. I have NOT however tried to do any dealings with John outside of eBay so other may want to chime in. I promise to be unbiased in the OBCAC discussions. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard dingman" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:07:36 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I'm fine with Uncle Dick also, though I am not sure he gives OBCers any more discount than anyone (I could be wrong on this, if so please correct me). And I have a question. I know there is a dealer on the OBC favorites list, (I forget his name just now, but he lives in Valley Cottage, NY) who doesn't respond to me. He answered an email just once and said he would get back to me, then nothing again, even after repeated emails. I have spoken to another OBCer about this and he reported having an unsatisfactory dealing with this dealer. So is there any review process for these favorites? Are they a favorite forever once they "get in"? Secondly, I met a dealer at the National in Baltimore, "One dollar" Keith (who coincidentally is a friend of Uncle Dick), who would love to be an OBC favorite. Extremely friendly to everyone, his table sells only $1 cards, from the early '50s on up. I spent a fair # of$1 bills at his table, but he gives no discounts to anyone. Could he qualify, since he does not give OBCers special consideration? Thanks for any thoughts on these. Richard D To: brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tvalacak@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:37:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I would also highly support Uncle Dick being added to our OBC Dealer page. I always make sure I visit Uncle Dick's table when we have the big shows here in Chicago. He has always knocked the price down, never a set %, but always discounted. At the last show, he had a $2 box and a $1 box that were loaded with some gems. On top of it all, he is a nice person and easy to talk with. I give him a big thumbs T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= To: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 06:43:27 -0400 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I don't want to officially bring a complaint against John. It was just something that inspired me to wonder if OBC friendly dealers are in for life. Thanks Mark for clarifying that. I will email John again and see if I can get a reply. Richard D Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net To: brightair@msn.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Hello Richard and other OBC'ers, As a member at large of the OBCAC I wanted to address Rick's concerns about the Certified Dealers listings on the OBC web site. The following is taken directly from the ROC (the Rules of Conduct are also found on the website): Dealer Requirements For a dealer to be listed on the =93OBC Friendly Dealer=94 section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC member can petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. "OBC Friendly Dealers" can be removed from the list; if an OBC member complains to the OBCAC about a dealer listed, the OBCAC will approach themembership to gather enough information to either retain or remove said dealer. So if there are any additional comments about John Morrison please submit them to THIS FORUM so that the OBCAC can investigate. I for one have never had a problem with John - he goes by the name oldbbcards on eBay and Ihave picked up many items from him over the years through the auction and "Buy it Now" format. I have also received a few items he was able to pull from his inventory from my want list when we were completing an auction lot. I have NOT however tried to do any dealings with John outside of eBay soother may want to chime in. I promise to be unbiased in the OBCAC discussions. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard dingman" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:07:36 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I'm fine with Uncle Dick also, though I am not sure he gives OBCers any more discount than anyone (I could be wrong on this, if so please correct me). And I have a question. I know there is a dealer on the OBC favorites list,(I forget his name just now, but he lives in Valley Cottage, NY) who doesn't respond to me. He answered an email just once and said he would get back to me, then nothing again, even after repeated emails. I have spoken to another OBCer about this and he reported having an unsatisfactory dealing with this dealer. So is there any review process for these favorites? Are they a favorite forever once they "get in"? Secondly, I met a dealer at the National in Baltimore, "One dollar" Keith (who coincidentally is a friend of Uncle Dick), who would love to be an OBC favorite. Extremely friendly to everyone, his table sells only $1 cards, from the early '50s on up. I spent a fair # of $1 bills at his table, but he gives no discounts to anyone. Could he qualify, since he does not give OBCers special consideration? Thanks for any thoughts on these. Richard D To: brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tvalacak@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:37:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I would also highly support Uncle Dick being added to our OBC Dealer page.I always make sure I visit Uncle Dick's table when we have the big shows here in Chicago. He has always knocked the price down, never a set %, but always discounted. At the last show, he had a $2 box and a $1 box that were loaded with some gems. On top of it all, he is a nice person and easy to talk with. I give him a big thumbs up. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 09:04:21 EDT To: brightair@msn.com, talbot1@comcast.net From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: morrison Content-Language: en it has been years since i have had any dealings with john, and most were through ebay. those that i did direct, i believe he dealt on some and not on others. he used to have good "obc stock", but aside from that, i wouldn't say he was an outstanding obc dealer, nor would i say he did nothing at all. on a scale of 1 to 10, i would give him a 6. so it really depends if we are looking for the best of the best, or just dealers you can go to if you are looking for obc conditioned cards Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 _http://gmcards.homestead.com/mywebpage.html_ (http://gmcards.homestead.com/) Member: OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 10/14/2010 5:43:41 A.M. Central Daylight Time, brightair@msn.com writes: I don't want to officially bring a complaint against John. It was just something that inspired me to wonder if OBC friendly dealers are in for life. Thanks Mark for clarifying that. I will email John again and see if I can get a reply. Richard D Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 04:31:17 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net To: brightair@msn.com CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Hello Richard and other OBC'ers, As a member at large of the OBCAC I wanted to address Rick's concerns about the Certified Dealers listings on the OBC web site. The following is taken directly from the ROC (the Rules of Conduct are also found on the Dealer Requirements For a dealer to be listed on the =E2=9COBC Friendly Dealer=E2=9D section of the OBC web site requires a recommendation of 5 different OBC members. Any OBC member can petition the OBCAC with the name of an "OBC Friendly Dealer" accompanied by at least 4 additional recommendations for that dealer from the membership. The OBCAC will then decide on the inclusion of the recommended dealer. "OBC Friendly Dealers" can be removed from the list; if an OBC member complains to the OBCAC about a dealer listed, the OBCAC will approach the membership to gather enough information to either retain or remove said So if there are any additional comments about John Morrison please submit them to THIS FORUM so that the OBCAC can investigate. I for one have never had a problem with John - he goes by the name oldbbcards on eBay and I have picked up many items from him over the years through the auction and "Buy it Now" format. I have also received a few items he was able to pull from his inventory from my want list when we were completing an auction lot. I have NOT however tried to do any dealings with John outside of eBay so other may want to chime in. I promise to be unbiased in the OBCAC BE WELL!!!! REGARDS --------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "richard dingman" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 5:07:36 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I'm fine with Uncle Dick also, though I am not sure he gives OBCers any more discount than anyone (I could be wrong on this, if so please correct me). And I have a question. I know there is a dealer on the OBC favorites list, (I forget his name just now, but he lives in Valley Cottage, NY) who doesn't respond to me. He answered an email just once and said he would get back to me, then nothing again, even after repeated emails. I have spokento another OBCer about this and he reported having an unsatisfactory dealing with this dealer. So is there any review process for these favorites? Are they a favorite forever once they "get in"? Secondly, I met a dealer at the National in Baltimore, "One dollar" Keith (who coincidentally is a friend of Uncle Dick), who would love to be an OBC favorite. Extremely friendly to everyone, his table sells only $1 cards, from the early '50s on up. I spent a fair # of $1 bills at his table, but he gives no discounts to anyone. Could he qualify, since he does not give OBCers special consideration? Thanks for any thoughts on these. Richard D To: brockhattox@cs.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: tvalacak@comcast.net Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2010 14:37:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick I would also highly support Uncle Dick being added to our OBC Dealer page. I always make sure I visit Uncle Dick's table when we have the big shows here in Chicago. He has always knocked the price down, never a set %, but always discounted. At the last show, he had a $2 box and a $1 box that were loaded with some gems. On top of it all, he is a nice person and easy to talk with. I give him a big thumbs up. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: brockhattox@cs.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2010 8:42:31 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Uncle Dick Dick DeCourcy of Uncle Dick's Cards mentioned to me that he would like to me listed on the OBC Dealer page. Is there support for this? Would anyone else recommend him? ================= To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:28:38 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Fw: FACAPRO #6 Andy Cook, Randy Welk, Ken Pillion Andys...1974 #315 Cey Randys...1974 #30 Bonds Kens...1972 #267 Concepcion ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 5:10 PM Subject: FACAPRO #6 Andy Cook, Randy Welk, Ken Pillion ================= To: Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:34:40 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: favorite card project final chance If any of you guys missed it the 1st time or have been too busy Im giving you one more chance...then Im done hope everyone enjoyed it and remember let me know how things went ORIGINAL EMAIL below Gents and Lady Some of you are aware of Brian Lindholmes obsession with card #186 - 1971 Topps football card Jim Kiick. Those of you who are not , heres the deal. Send him any you can find , he wants all of them. So I thought theres gotta be more of us out there that could possibly want a card for ourselves that we just cant get enough of for some reason. Heres my idea. Let me know which card you would like to put on the list and I will coordinate the efforts if thats okay with the group or board etc. After a few daysI will send an email to OBC Wants of which card we can bombard one of our members with. Lets keep our requests to inexpensive commons baseball or football. One per member. No hi $ HoFers, Hi #s etc. Keep it reasonable. ================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 01:47:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: O Canada I went up to Vancouver yesterday hoping to find a couple of the last 12 cards I need for the OPC run (71 highs) and had no luck. I did get 45 hits to the topps run 35 being 52's and 10 high numbers! Spent more than I planned on spending but I couldn't pass up the chance for those highs. Other than getting lost to and from there was a pretty good day. Rick ================= Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 22:42:08 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: old Sometimes I forget and getin a hurry. Someone in one of my groups offered aHalliday ticket for trade and I deleted the email. Please help/ Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2010 19:49:06 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: New dealer to be considered.... Hi gang- just bought a =9261 Frank Robby AS from Ebay ID taunya1023, and we got to chatting. He has 100% Feedback, and we struck a deal offline for a passel of cards off my list for probably =BC of the cost had I bought from Evilbay, including shipping, etc. I was very very pleased. Anyways, I asked him if he would entertain the thought of receiving wantlists from us mental cases in OBC, and he was delighted at the prospect: =93 Grant, That would be great! I have a large amount of 60's and 70's cards some 80's and a ton of 90's. I not only sell for myself but sell for other people so if someone has a request I may be able to fill it from other resources. I hate letting ebay get rich off of me.=94 I don=92t think he=92s a T206 type of guy at all, but for those doing the 60=92s and up, it may be worth your while to drop him a copy of your wantlist and see what he=92s got. Sure was for me. Sounds like a great attitude, too, that=92s just about the best part! If you do send him a note, he now knows about OBC, so either mention OBC or me, and you will be on good ground=85..his email is theatticsempty@yahoo.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2010 17:09:04 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Fw: Facapro #7 Marshall and Brian B the 64 is for Mr West the 73 is for Mr Betza ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Sunday, October 17, 2010 6:54 PM Subject: Facapro #7 ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 03:03:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "B-999" Subject: Fantasy Hoops? Guys , I run a competitive Yahoo NBA league-- draft is Sunday at 6:30 EST... we have a few openings...LMK if you're interested... Brian Betza ================= Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2010 12:32:09 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: SCP Auctions Any Tigers fan should try to get a copy of the current SCP Auction catalog to have pictures of the Kirk Gibson Collection. Also, any 1952 Topps fan should have one to see the Ron Futrell collection set that is up for sale. At least take a look at the SCP auction website. I would volunteer to share my catalog, but it already covered in drool.... Take care, ================= To: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:11:43 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Fw: Facapro #8 FINAL 78 is Mike R-Ws #200 77 is John Stampers #45 ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Schott To: Ed Schott Sent: Wednesday, October 20, 2010 10:19 PM Subject: Facapro #8 FINAL ================= To: Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:14:16 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: Facapro Baseball has ended hey kids let me know if I missed anything hope this was successful anyone wanna do a FOOTBALL FAVE ? ================= To: easchott@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2010 18:54:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Facapro Baseball has ended ed, can you reply...I replied twice with my facapro card choice but have not heard from you....let me know if you get this... -----Original Message----- From: Ed Schott To: obc-wantlist Cc: obc-ramblings Sent: Fri, Oct 22, 2010 3:14 pm Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] Facapro Baseball has ended hey kids let me know if I missed anything hope this was successful anyone wanna do a FOOTBALL FAVE ? ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 01:42:45 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: no offense to all Yankee lovers Yankees Lose Thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yankees Lose there is a GOD ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 12:58:14 -0400 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: super final facapro for Josh Levine My favorite has to be the 1981 Topps Bob Boone #290...love the photo and hewas the reason I became a Phillies fan. ================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 13:23:07 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Possible Relocation OBCers -- Hard to believe, but I've been doing this military thing for 20 years now! that in mind, I've decided to hang up the spikes and look for something else do. I've got a couple irons in the fire, with one of the best ones beingin Denver near Centennial Airport. I've heard that Castle Rock, Highlands Ranch, Parker, etc is a pretty nice place, so I'm going to start looking at real estate sites around that area. We may be interested in something with some landto have a horse, although that's not certain yet. As a matter of fact, nothing certain - I could just as easily take a job here where I am. Then again, Lockheed in Atlanta is hiring a pilot as well... Anyway, if anybody has any inputs about the Denver area (and Marietta, GA for that matter), please drop me a line. On Dec 30, I become Mr. Wagner for the first time since May, 1990! Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 00:26:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: Ed Watts I completed a trade with Ed Watts he wants to contact some members about making some trades. He is thinking of applying for membership and wants to get some deals done. All went well with our trade. Rick ================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:16:10 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Ed Schott From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] no offense to all Yankee lovers Is that a play on words? No offense to Yankee Lovers and No offense from Yankee New Blood this year. Enjoy the rest of the play-offs John Stamper --- On Fri, 10/22/10, Ed Schott wrote: From: Ed Schott Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] no offense to all Yankee lovers To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Friday, October 22, 2010, 10:42 PM Yankees Lose Thuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Yankees Lose there is a GOD ================= Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 20:29:37 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, Ed Schott From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] super final facapro for Josh Levine Nice pick Josh, your cardsssssssss will go out Monday. Get some 9 pockets ready! John S --- On Sat, 10/23/10, Ed Schott wrote: From: Ed Schott Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] super final facapro for Josh Levine To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, October 23, 2010, 9:58 AM My favorite has to be the 1981 Topps Bob Boone #290...love the photo and hewas the reason I became a Phillies fan. ================= To: Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 13:02:50 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: Molina gets a ring..... Great trivia..Molina gets a ring no matter how the Series turns out, since he was with the Giants the first half, and then traded to the Rangers...reports say this is the first time for a catcher to be in this position...wish the article had listed the others who have been there... ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:07:13 EDT To: grains@shaw.ca, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Content-Language: en Lonnie Smith was the first He was traded to KC from St. Louis in the I-70 In a message dated 10/24/2010 3:03:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, grains@shaw.ca writes: Great trivia=E2=A6.Molina gets a ring no matter how the Series turns out, he was with the Giants the first half, and then traded to the Rangers=E2=A6 ..reports say this is the first time for a catcher to be in this position=E2=A6 ..wish the article had listed the others who have been there=E2=A6.. ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 21:26:10 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Bengie Molina, 2010 Rangers & Giants. Jim Bruske, 1998 Yankees & Padres (DNP in World Series). Lonnie Smith, 1985 Royals & Cardinals. Sid Monge, 1984 Tigers & Padres (DNP). Johnny Schmitz, 1952 Yankees & Dodgers (DNP). Jack Kramer, 1951 Yankees & Giants (DNP). To: grains@shaw.ca; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:07:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Lonnie Smith was the first He was traded to KC from St. Louis in the I-70 series In a message dated 10/24/2010 3:03:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, grains@shaw.ca Great trivia=85.Molina gets a ring no matter how the Series turns out, since he was with the Giants the first half, and then traded to the Rangers=85..reports say this is the first time for a catcher to be in this position=85..wish the article had listed the others who have been there=85.. ================= To: "'Bob Reed'" , Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 18:46:52 -0700 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Okay, there is some serious research for you..thanks Bob! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bob Reed Sent: October 24, 2010 6:26 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Bengie Molina, 2010 Rangers & Giants. Jim Bruske, 1998 Yankees & Padres (DNP in World Series). Lonnie Smith, 1985 Royals & Cardinals. Sid Monge, 1984 Tigers & Padres (DNP). Johnny Schmitz, 1952 Yankees & Dodgers (DNP). Jack Kramer, 1951 Yankees & Giants (DNP). To: grains@shaw.ca; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:07:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Lonnie Smith was the first He was traded to KC from St. Louis in the I-70 In a message dated 10/24/2010 3:03:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time, grains@shaw.ca writes: Great trivia..Molina gets a ring no matter how the Series turns out, since he was with the Giants the first half, and then traded to the Rangers...reports say this is the first time for a catcher to be in this position...wish the article had listed the others who have been there... ================= Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 20:57:11 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Doug DeJong Subject: 1978 Topps Football Availables A friend picked up a box of cards for me recently at a garage sale. It was mostly late 70's baseball commons in mixed condition although I found RC's of both Eddie Murray and Ozzie Smith that went unnoticed! I also ended up with about half of the 78 Topps Football set. After considerable thought I decided I am not to start any football s There are no big stars, but plenty of the other guys. If any one has some 78 Topps football needs please send me your list, or if anyone wants a good starter set I have one available! ================= To: grains@shaw.ca, boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 23:58:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... I think this is not quite accurate...I am fairly certain a player has to be voted on to get a ring if they are no longer with a team. I also recall, that the team can vote to give him a world series share as well. -----Original Message----- From: Grant Rainsley To: 'Bob Reed' ; 'OBC Ramblings' Sent: Sun, Oct 24, 2010 6:46 pm Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Okay, there is some serious research for you=E2=A6.thanks Bob! From:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] OnBehalf Of Bob Reed Sent: October 24, 2010 6:26 PM To: OBC Ramblings Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Bengie Molina, 2010 Rangers & Giants. Jim Bruske, 1998 Yankees & Padres (DNP in World Series). Lonnie Smith, 1985 Royals & Cardinals. Sid Monge, 1984 Tigers & Padres (DNP). Johnny Schmitz, 1952 Yankees & Dodgers (DNP). Jack Kramer, 1951 Yankees & Giants (DNP). To: grains@shaw.ca; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 16:07:13 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Molina gets a ring..... Lonnie Smith was the first He was traded to KC from St.Louis in the I-70 series In a message dated 10/24/2010 3:03:02 P.M. Central Daylight Time,grains@shaw.ca Great trivia=E2=A6.Molina gets a ring no matter how the Series turnsout,since he was with the Giants the first half, and then traded to theRangers=E2=A6..reports say this is the first time for a catcher to be in thisposition=E2=A6..wish the article had listed the others who have been there=E2=A6.. ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 17:21:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rjsharks" Subject: potentail OBCer Hey Guys I wanted to mention Patrick Page is interested in this group. He seems like a good guy. He contacted me and then sent me a chunk of 1972 cards just for the heck ofit. Randy Welk ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:52:49 EDT To: rjsfgmv@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potentail OBCer Content-Language: en Can we call him Patti Paige? Hey Guys I wanted to mention Patrick Page is interested in this group. He seems like a good guy. He contacted me and then sent me a chunk of 1972 cards just for the heck of it. Randy Welk ================= To: , , Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 12:59:22 -0500 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] potentail OBCer Only if he throws Mama from the train....a card, a card! LOL To: rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:52:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potentail OBCer Can we call him Patti Paige? Hey Guys I wanted to mention Patrick Page is interested in this group. He seems like a good guy. He contacted me and then sent me a chunk of 1972 cards just for the heck of it. ================= To: seventytwop@hotmail.com, biggies@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 14:00:59 -0400 (EDT) From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potentail OBCer how do you spell potencial? ---- Original Message ---- From: Fr. Patrick Wattigny To: biggies ; rjsfgmv ; obc-ramblings Sent: Mon, Oct 25, 2010 10:59 am Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] potentail OBCer Only if he throws Mama from the train....a card, a card! LOL To: rjsfgmv@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 13:52:49 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] potentail OBCer Can we call him Patti Paige? Hey Guys I wanted to mention Patrick Page is interested in this group. He seems like a good guy. He contacted me and then sent me a chunk of 1972 cards just for the heck of Randy Welk ================= Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2010 23:27:19 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Subject: Annual GBSCC convention in Wilmington, MA - aka 'the Shriner's Greetings all, Just a reminder that the show is less than 2 weeks away: NOV 5-7. With perhaps a slight apology to the RI show in February, this is really the only show worth going to in New England any more. Oh Bishop Guertin, Austin Prep & BC High...where have you all gone??? Anyhow, details can be found here: http://www.gbscc.com/convention.html At this point I plan on going Saturday, most likely in the afternoon. Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 01:24:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tjv815" Subject: Ralph Genova Hey gang, Has anyone ever traded with Ralph Genova? Good? Bad? Any comments wouldbe helpful. Thank you. ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 15:41:55 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "ricktopps" Subject: Interested in trading for some high numbers? For some crazy reason I have always been intrigued by the more rare and expensive high numbers. Whenever I come across some at a reasonable price I have tried to pick them up. Thus, I now have a couple of boxes which have nothing but high number dupes. These include cards from Topps sets ranging from 1953 to 1973. I don't have an extra 63 Rose or 67 Seaver, but I havemany big names including, Clemente, Mantle, All Stars, Parade cards etc.. i am considering trading some of these cards for cards on my wantlist and most specifically Bowman cards. If you have some Bowman's you are willing to part with I could probably help nail some high numbers from your want lists. I would also like to clear some football cards off of my lists from 1957, 1964 and 1965. If you have other oddball stuff let me know. The high numbers that I have include: 1953:29 cards (Face, Bolling, Podres) 1955: 22 cards (Mathews, Clemente, Rizzuto, Snider) 1957: 62 cards (mid-high) (Zimmer, Richardson, Koufax, Kubek) 1959: 19 cards (Gibson, Killebrew, Pirates team, Campanella) 1960: 21 cards (All stars of Banks, Kaline, Mantle, Maris, Aaron) 1961: 74 cards (All stars of Robonson's, Banks, Mantle, Spahn 1962: 89 cards (Gibson, Wilhelm and every Parade card) 1963: 156 cards (McCovey, Staub, Snider, Stargell) 1964: 34 cards (Niekro) 1966: 156 cards (almost all of them) 1967: 107 cards (Belanger, Carew, Alomar, Robonson, Red Sox team, Shannon, John) 1970: 21 cards (Kaline, Bench, Robonson, Ryan) 1971: 156 cards 1972: 118 cards (Carew and traded cards) 1973: 67 cards (I don't have the Schmidt) Rick Johnson ================= Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2010 18:58:30 -0700 (PDT) To: Ramblings OBC From: John Stamper Subject: A Little Ramble Hello all- As some of you know, I do some charity work with Sports Ministries. One organization I help is Christ First Sports, which is co-founded by Mariners shortstop Jack Wilson. We do some events in the off season and this year we should have a few other Major Leaguers as well. It looks like Doug Fister and Freddy Sanchez will be joining us. Jack and Freddy grew up playing ball together and played for the Pirates. Freddy, of course, is in the World Series with the Giants and Doug Fister Pitches for the Mariners and lives out here in California. If anyone would like something signed let me know. John Stamper ================= Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2010 08:47:37 -0700 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MIKE DIAMANTI Subject: Birthday Bonus Well Gals & Guys: My birthday today celebrates two things for me: the start of the World Series, and my qualifying for Social Security. The first item happens every year, the second item, well....... never thought I'd get this far, but entirely happy "to make the grade", without having to take a test.....although I do consider registering for SS online as a bit of a Back to item one. One of the Seattle Times sports writers picks the Giants in 7. My pick is the Rangers in 7. Here is the link to Larry Stone's article about Mariner pain when it comes to Tim Linceum and Cliff Lee: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/larrystone/2013265564_stone27.html Any other OBCers care to weigh in? ================= Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 22:34:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: paypal How would I accept paypal if I decided to sell on ebay Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2010 19:41:38 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange Time! Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, a few weeks after Hanukkah (I think), the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $5-10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server How it works. 1. Reply to this email, put with your name in the message, that will make it easier to track things. Or send an email to me with "OBC Xmas" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. Please make sure "OBC Xmas" is in the subject line! That makes it easy to track. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique involving paper, scissors and a hat. 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, and send it out. Happy Holidays! Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2010 21:26:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: one of those days 1, Ill this morning - better now. 2. Tried picking up my prescriptions from wal mart - they messed them up again - going to pull the scripts and go to walgreens 3. went to my orthopedics hospital - been having pain for a while for those who do not know I have had both hips replaced - now I find out my newest replacement is on the recall list - earliest appointment I could make with my surgeon is 2 weeks from now. Hoping (as always) for the best whenI see him. A different day, ================= To: , Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2010 20:08:52 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: 1973 Topps Available OBC World, Please send me your WL or point me to it for 1973 Topps baseball cards I just got a good sized lot and hope to distribute them out. Included in the lot are HOFers, League Leaders, many stars of the era, and even a few high numbers. In decent shape too, so if you just would like a few upgrades LMk that too. I've got over 200 cards here, and several stamps... OBC Forever ================= Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 03:31:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Mike Rich's disappearing act For those that have been sending me e-mails or expecting responses or packages from me lately, my apologies. I went into card hibernation after the National. Then work has gone nutty for the last month or so. November looks to be even worse. I signed on tonite, and realized it was my first time on line since October 4. Almost 4 weeks without going on liine. When I signed on, I had 987 e-mails. I only made it through about 350+ or so. I have over 600 left to review. I have only sent out 1 package since the National and have some items pulled that need to be packaged up. November usually sees me goign to Toronto for their semi-annual 3 day show and sometimes Ron Perry contacts me for a day trip to Chicago for that show. This year, I am scheduled to be in Clevelan during the Toronto show and then in Toronto during the Chicago show. So card shows are highly doubtful. I hope to catch upon things, but do not see it in the near term. If you want to reachme, best bet is my cell phone (248) 709-2235. Preferably between 7 - 10 pm Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 01 Nov 2010 04:52:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: The news from Central Washington Hey, Folks. Sorry for my temporary disappearance. A few quick updates: My foot is GREAT! I can hike, bike, and jog. Still not running full speed, jumping, or doing any martial arts kicks with the left foot, but I'm delighted to be mobile again! I have been slowly getting back in shape. The best news is that I can hike with Corin in the backpack again, which is my best means of exercise while doing dad duty. Our next trip to Nicaragua is coming up QUICK! We leave November 10 and will return November 21. Looks like we'll have our biggest team yet--11 folks, including (maybe, she's still deciding) my daughter Lydia. That would be amazing, and, truthfully, a little scary. Prayers are gratefully accepted. We're going to complete the duplex we've worked on during the last two trips. I'm excited to see it done and become the home for two families whowill escape the street. I'm hoping to get a few more cards out before I go--mainly 54 Bowmans, not surprisingly. Feel free to send me wantlists, esp if you need any commons.I've got a few designated already, but didn't get a lot of response to mywaiver Thanks, once again, for all the great encouragement and cards during my surgery and rehab. I've still got a long list of payback, so don't give up onme. Grant, I've got a beer chilling for you. Peace and Joy,