================= Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2010 19:36:23 EST To: talbot1@comcast.net From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 I just found out that the first card show of the year is this Sunday in Redford. Please let me know if you will be attending, as that will sway my decision to attend or not. Happy New Year and maybe I can finally finish some sets this year (1951 Topps Blue Backs are down to 2, and a lot of sets are down to 1). Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 08:00:45 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 Hello Mike (My wife's family is from Redford and her brother still lives in the house she grew up in near 5 mile and Beech Daly). We are on a race to the finish on the bluebacks. I started them over 10 years ago and am down to Pafko and Ashburn. I see you need Red and Big Cat. We should have picked them up in 1976 at $1 each per hobby publications I am reading, but then we'd be working on our third sets by now. Good luck on the hunt. Keep an eye out for Roe and Erskine 1954 loop variations. I think Roe is easy and Erskine hard for some reason. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 12:16:23 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 I'm going to the Lions game...... I may be able to stop by on the way but would have to coordinate with a couple other guys who may not be interested.A couple are related though so there arms may be twistable. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Vrechek To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 Hello Mike (My wife's family is from Redford and her brother still lives in the house she grew up in near 5 mile and Beech Daly). We are on a race to the finish on the bluebacks. I started them over 10 years ago and am down to Pafko and Ashburn. I see you need Red and Big Cat. We should have picked them up in 1976 at $1 each per hobby publications I am reading, but then we'd be working on our third sets by now. Good luck on the hunt. Keep an eye out for Roe and Erskine 1954 loop variations. I think Roe is easy and Erskine hard for some reason. ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:44:24 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Qustion for the group on T-218 cards??? Hello All, I just sent T.J. an email about my favorite pre-war set the T 218's. I have been looking to complete the "master set" of these cards with back and factory variations and have tried to make some determinations about the set. I believe that aviators, bowlers, golfers and billiard players only exist with Mecca backs as I have never seen Hassan or Tolstoi backs for these cards. I am beginning to think that this might also be the case for (12) track & field cards and (11) boxers so I have a question for those who either collect or have completed this set. Does anyone have any of the following cards with a Hassan or Tolstoiback? Track Stars & Aquatics (12) H.J. Handy Johnny Hayes Hans Holmer Thure Johansson Abel Kiviat Gusta Ljungstrom Jemes McEntee Fred Meadows James Rector Percy Sellen E.J. Sweeney Edward Payson Weston Boxers (11) Matty Baldwin Knock-out Brown Frankie Conley Al Demont Dave Deshler Charles Eyton (Referee) Frank Klaus Patsy Kline Tommy O'Toole Johnny Summers (seated) Johnny Summers (standing) I would appreciate it if those who have these cards could take a look, I would like as much info as possible to determine of these cards actually exist. Thanks for your help - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ---------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2010 20:53:20 +0000 (UTC) To: Chuck Paris From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 Well if that's the case I will make every possible effort to get there myself. Always nice to hook up with you when you are on this side of the state Chuck. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ---------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Paris" To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, "George Vrechek" Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 2, 2010 12:16:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 I'm going to the Lions game...... I may be able to stop by on the way but would have to coordinate with a couple other guys who may not be interested. A couple are related though so there arms may be twistable. ----- Original Message ----- From: George Vrechek To: mikesportsfan@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 02, 2010 9:00 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 Hello Mike (My wife=E2=99s family is from Redford and her brother still lives in the house she grew up in near 5 mile and Beech Daly). We are on a race to thefinish on the bluebacks. I started them over 10 years ago and am down to Pafko and Ashburn. I see you need Red and Big Cat. We should have picked them up in 1976 at $1 each per hobby publications I am reading, but then we=E2=99d be working on our third sets by now. Good luck on the hunt. Keep aneye out for Roe and Erskine 1954 loop variations. I think Roe is easy and Erskine hard for some reason. ================= Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 00:00:54 EST To: talbot1@comcast.net, chuckparis@comcast.net From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 In addition to Chuck Paris, Mark Talbot and myself, Ron Perry has indicated he will be in attendance. Mike Rich ================= To: , Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2010 06:17:29 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January 3 Correction .....Chuck won't be there. Sorry. ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com To: talbot1@comcast.net ; chuckparis@comcast.net Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:OBC Redford Card Show this Sunday, January In addition to Chuck Paris, Mark Talbot and myself, Ron Perry has indicated he will be in attendance. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 04 Jan 2010 17:15:08 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: There's A Little Captain in Hoyt Wilhelm From today's installment of Poor Old Baseball Cards blog... http://pooroldbaseballcards.blogspot.com/2010/01/separated-at-birth-1971-topps-hoyt.html No kidding - the pose of Hoyt Wilhelm on his Topps 1971 card is in the exact position of the Captain Morgan's Spiced Rum pirate. This is now my favorite 1971 Topps card of them all. Wayne Delia, IBM Master Inventor, wayne@deliafamily.net Director of Volunteer Recruitment, Phi Kappa Sigma Fraternity “To do what ought to be done, but would not have been done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty.” (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= To: Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 21:46:26 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: 71 needs Hello All, I am in need of the following: 1971 topps upgrades to exmt & variations any condition). need #42 no light post near head,45,#206 (orange helmet),208,264,#265 (northrup)BULLSEYE version is basically a print dot on the front of his cap) ,#369 orange helmet,404,450,539,544,565,#630(clemente team name in white ) 1971 second set any condition 525(banks),618,625(brock), 630 (clemente),646,649,654,664, 665,672,683, 688(anderson Please let me know. I have dupes in this set if interested. Anthony rbeeny ================= Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 04:30:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: Arizona trip Went to Arizona for two weeks during the holidays working on the new house got alot done but took a half of a day to look for baseball cards. One shopthat I have gone to before I scored big on the wantlist with 43-52 topps,2-red heart,2-49 leaf,1-48 bowman,1-53 topps and a 51 topps blue back. I gotthem for 2.60 each which I thought was a great deal. Three of the 52's were glued in a binder so I think I'm going to try Mark's directions on soaking the cards. Rick ================= Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 23:15:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: Writing on cards? Condition question=97not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. Is Tipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very light mark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=97it's really sweet, honestly=97except this little mark. It's light enough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but the longer I lookat it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devaluea card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering or rounded corners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just been curious for along time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same levelas those. What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to besome criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W ================= To: mikerw7@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 05 Jan 2010 19:13:05 -0500 From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Hey Mike happy new year Corner wear is mother nature off center is company machines writing is a person What you do is think about the card and think about who wrote on it. Ifyou imagine you would have liked the person who wrote on it then you keep it. If you would like the person less than a machine send it to someone who mayhave liked that person or to someone you do not like Deep thinker Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: mikerw7 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Condition question=E2=94not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. IsTipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very light mark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=E2=94it's really sweet, honestly=E2=94except this little mark. It's lightenough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but thelonger I look at it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devalue a card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering orrounded corners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just beencurious for a long time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same level as those. What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to be some criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 19:39:54 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Nice question,,, One point I consider is the "type" of writing. I have a few checklists that have been very neatly inked in the boxes, and others that have entire names crossed over so thickly you can't even tell there ever was a name there. Other regular base cards, some have a stray pen or pencil mark, as if by accident the card brushed up against a writing tool, and others that were apparently used as note/scratch paper in a school classroom, or as a handy shopping How do I feel about these? Some seem like acts of nature or aging (a stray ding or scratch, scuff or bend), and others as an act of disrespect. I recall as a kid walking past abandoned buildings and seeing where windowshad been broken out by rock-throwing vandals. I could never grok why people do that. Meaningless destruction has never had any appeal to me, and has always felt like disrespect at least, or anger/hatred at worst. So when I get a card that appears to be "dissed" (i.e., de-valued, dismissed, disrespected, abused), then it makes me feel a little sadder. Otherwise, it is like a wrinkle or scar, like what I see every day that I happen to look at my friends or in the mirror, and that I can live with. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikerw7@gmail.com Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:15:43 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Condition question=97not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. Is Tipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very lightmark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=97it's really sweet, honestly=97except this little mark. It's light enough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but the longer I look at it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devalue a card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering or rounded corners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just been curious for a long time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same level as those.What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to be some criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 03:30:50 +0000 (UTC) To: rrrlyons From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Arizona trip On sunday night, following Mark's directions, I took two of my 50 Bowmans and submerged them in some water. After ten minutes, the glue came right off. I dabbed the cards with paper towels and tehn placed them on wax paper. A few layers of paper towel, another piece of wax paper, and then some heavy boxes. Tonight, after waiting 48 hours, I lifted the boxes and uncovered the two cards. They look great. I changed out the paper towels and will let them settle another week. Now, I have some work to do with the other cards. Thanks for the great tip Mark! T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrrlyons" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 4, 2010 10:30:13 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Arizona trip Went to Arizona for two weeks during the holidays working on the new house got alot done but took a half of a day to look for baseball cards. One shopthat I have gone to before I scored big on the wantlist with 43-52 topps,2-red heart,2-49 leaf,1-48 bowman,1-53 topps and a 51 topps blue back. I gotthem for 2.60 each which I thought was a great deal. Three of the 52's were glued in a binder so I think I'm going to try Mark's directions on soaking the cards. Rick ================= To: Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2010 23:03:52 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Anyone have information on Dan Dischley? Dan Dischley was the publisher of The Trader Speaks from 1968 to 1884. I believe he still lives in (Lake) Ronkonkoma, New York but has an unlisted phone number. He has been a SABR member, in fact a founding member. Does anyone have a phone number, email, or address for him? I'm doing an article for SCD on older hobby publications. I've written about TTS and want to check my information with him, plus update readers on some of the publishers who are still around, if possible. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:17:24 +0000 (UTC) To: "Ramblings (OBC)" From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? The only kind of card that gives me pause about whether to include in my collection are the horribly off-centered ones. When it comes to writing, I picture some kid (thinking whatever randomness it is that kids think) writingon, defacing, trade-updating, etc on his card. Anytime the subject of writing on a card comes up, I love to show off a particular card I picked up atthe last Anaheim National. Can't remember the name of the dealer, but I yanked it out of a bargain box and he gladly threw it in with my purchase. Only an OBCer or someone with our like mentality would appreciate it (image attached) ----- Original Message ----- From: rjsfgmv@aol.com To: mikerw7@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 4:13:05 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? H ey Mike happy new year Corner wear is mother nature off center is company machines writing is a person What you do is think about the card and think about who wrote on it. If youimagine you would have liked the person who wrote on it then you keep it. If you would like the person less than a machine send it to someone who mayhave liked that person or to someone you do not like Deep thinker Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: mikerw7 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Condition question=E2=94not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. IsTipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very lightmark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=E2=94it's really sweet, honestly=E2=94except this little mark. It's light enough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but the longer I look at it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devalue a card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering or roundedcorners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just been curious for a long time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same level as those. What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to be some criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 05:25:55 +0000 (UTC) To: Geordie Calvert From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? [1 Attachment] One Word - PRICELESS!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geordie Calvert" To: "Ramblings (OBC)" Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 12:17:24 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? [1 Attachment] [ Attachment(s) from Geordie Calvert included below] The only kind of card that gives me pause about whether to include in my collection are the horribly off-centered ones. When it comes to writing, I picture some kid (thinking whatever randomness it is that kids think) writing on, defacing, trade-updating, etc on his card. Anytime the subject of writing on a card comes up, I love to show off a particular card I picked up at the last Anaheim National. Can't remember the name of the dealer, but I yanked it out of a bargain box and he gladly threw it in with my purchase. Only an OBCer or someone with our like mentality would appreciate it (image attached) ----- Original Message ----- From: rjsfgmv@aol.com To: mikerw7@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 4:13:05 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? H ey Mike happy new year Corner wear is mother nature off center is company machines writing is a person What you do is think about the card and think about who wrote on it. If youimagine you would have liked the person who wrote on it then you keep it. If you would like the person less than a machine send it to someone who mayhave liked that person or to someone you do not like Deep thinker Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: mikerw7 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Condition question=E2=94not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. IsTipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very lightmark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=E2=94it's really sweet, honestly=E2=94except this little mark. It's light enough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but the longer I look at it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devalue a card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering or roundedcorners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just been curious for a long time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same level as those. What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to be some criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W H ey Mike happy new year Corner wear is mother nature off center is company machines writing is a person What you do is think about the card and think about who wrote on it. If youimagine you would have liked the person who wrote on it then you keep it. If you would like the person less than a machine send it to someone who mayhave liked that person or to someone you do not like Deep thinker Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: mikerw7 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Condition question=E2=94not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. IsTipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very lightmark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=E2=94it's really sweet, honestly=E2=94except this little mark. It's light enough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but the longer I look at it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devalue a card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering or roundedcorners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just been curious for a long time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same level as those. What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to be some criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W ================= Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 18:44:18 -0800 (PST) To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" , From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? [1 Attachment] Here's an article about Valmy being shot http://news.google.com/newspapers?id2H8yAAAAIBAJ&sjidiukFAAAAIBAJ&pg5411,2223614&dqvalmy+thomas+gunshot&hlen --- On Tue, 1/5/10, Geordie Calvert wrote: From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? [1 Attachment] To: "Ramblings (OBC)" Date: Tuesday, January 5, 2010, 9:17 PM [Attachment(s) from Geordie Calvert included below] The only kind of card that gives me pause about whether to include in my collection are the horribly off-centered ones. When it comes to writing, I picture some kid (thinking whatever randomness it is that kids think) writing on, defacing, trade-updating, etc on his card. Anytime the subject of writing on a card comes up, I love to show off a particular card I picked up at the last Anaheim National. Can't remember the name of the dealer, but I yanked it out of a bargain box and he gladly threw it in with my purchase. Only an OBCer or someone with our like mentality would appreciate it (image attached) ----- Original Message ----- From: rjsfgmv@aol. com To: mikerw7@gmail. com, OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tuesday, January 5, 2010 4:13:05 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Hey Mike happy new year Corner wear is mother nature off center is company machines writing is a person What you do is think about the card and think about who wrote on it. If youimagine you would have liked the person who wrote on it then you keep it. If you would like the person less than a machine send it to someone who mayhave liked that person or to someone you do not like Deep thinker Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: mikerw7 To: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 3:15 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Condition question=E2=94not looking to get into a Tipton debate (i.e. IsTipton Mint better than plain old mint?), so just ignore this if you always prefer cards in rougher condition. Okay,here's my question: Why is writing on a card so much worse than "normal" wear and tear? I've got a 54 Bowman #69 Clint Courtney with a very lightmark, perhaps 1/3 of an inch long, which I just noticed. I'm deciding which of my two is going to the dupe box, and this is the nicer card=E2=94it's really sweet, honestly=E2=94except this little mark. It's light enough to wonder if it's even pen and not just a printing problem, but the longer I look at it, the more it looks like a pen mark. When I look at "condition guides" (except the Tipton one on the OBC site, of course), they utterly devalue a card with any sign of writing. I just don't get why this tiny, barely noticeable card is supposed to be worse than poor centering or roundedcorners. Yes, I know, eye of the beholder and all, I've just been curious for a long time if there's some rationale behind this condition criterion. Trimmed, I get. Paper loss, yeah. But often I see "writing" on the same level those. What do you think? Again, if you think "If it's recognizable, who cares?" I totally get that, but I'm still curious. And there has to be some criteria by which we decide which one we keep, right? Mike R-W ================= To: , Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:45:11 +0000 From: LYONS RONI Subject: pete reiser,billy loes and hank thompson are pioneers these three brave gentlemen volunteered in the Mark Talbot project and the first phase is complete. the paper slid right off in less than ten minutes and the drying phase has started. In 48 hours I will update you on the progress. To: tvalacak@comcast.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:29:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Removing Glue Hi T.J., Cards with white glue are pretty simple, simple soak them in very hot water. I like to add just a little bleach to the water I use a small pail so there is about a 1/2 gallon of water in there. After about 10 minutes or so (sometimes less) the paper can be easily "slid" right off the card. Then I gently rub the back of the card with my thumb, I can usually feel thetackiness of the glue residue and stop rubbing when I do not feel it any more. When this is complete I blot excess water with a paper towel and thenprepare to flatten the cards. I do this by placing the cards face down ona piece of wax paper on a flat surface, then I place a couple pieces of paper towel and another piece of wax paper. I continue the process until allthe cards I am "soaking" are set up for pressing, then I place weight on the cards (books, boxes of cards, anything heavy). After 48 hours or so I remove the weight and let the cards "air out" for and hour or so, then I setup the pressing again use new paper towel blotter paper and this time for as long as a week sometimes (or whenever I get to them). By now the cards will be quite flat and presentable. I find that the wax paper actually adds a slight layer of wax to the front of the card, if this is acceptable to you just leave it alone, if you want that removed use one of your wife's discarded nylon hose and gently rub the card with the hose. The small bit of bleach I use help to eliminate the "moof" smell that some older cards have and that these might obtain if not dried properly. The process is time consuming but I have used it to remove scrapbook paper remnants with great success for quite some time. This process can also be used with other types of glue like mucilage, the paper usually comes off but the soaking time is longer and usually there is some glue that had permanently bound to the cardboard and although thecard will not be sticky the "glossy" appearance of the remnant glue remains. There is probably some organic solvent (like acetone, benzene or toluene) that will remove this glue but it may do damage to the cardboard, not tomention the volatility and carcinogenic nature of these compounds. So I would stick to the H2O treatment. Another thing I would note is that the grey stock used in Bowman and early Topps cards fair rather well with this technique but "lighter colored"stock used in the `60's and beyond will be slightly discolored because they have incurred water damage. The discoloration will be uniform and therefore not too noticeable but it's there, I find that the bleach helps to minimize this effect as well. Well I hope you found this long winded response helpful - BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "tjv815" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:26:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Removing Glue Another ramble for everyone tonight (I haven't had this much time to post rambles in months). I picked up a lot of 1950 Bowmans a few months ago. The lot was correctly described as poor. Many of the cards have glue residue onthe back. I know I have read about some of you that have removed glue fromthe backs of cards. Can anyone give me some pointers? Is there a Youtube vidoe on this? ANy help would be appreciated. Thanks http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ================= To: Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 04:34:21 +0000 From: LYONS RONI Subject: help with ted lyons card I have tried to get one of every ted lyons cards but the exhibits have beenhard. I bid on this one without researching it because I knew I didn't have it. when I received it I looked it up to see what year it was 29-38 four in ones but it doesn't match any of them. First question is what is it, second is it vintage or a fake. The seller sells a lot of 20's,30's,40's itemsand doesn't have any negative feedback but the biggest reason why it maybea fake is the back. It looks like it was "cooked",dark squares and straight lines on the back like it was on a mesh type rack and heated. Any help would be great and what should I do if I think it is a fake. Rick ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 08:07:33 +0000 (UTC) To: LYONS RONI From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help with ted lyons card [2 Attachments] Hi Rick, What you have is a 1977 Jim Rowe 4-on-1 Exhibit card, they are suppose to be printed black on yellow stock. There were 16 cards in the set with the commons like the Pale Hose valued at about $5. The Red Sox (with Cronin, Pennock, Ruth & Williams), Stankees (with Dickey, DiMaggio, Gehrig & Gomez) and the TIGERS (with Cobb, Gehringer, Goslin & Greenberg) are the cards with a premium. Hope that doesn't upset you too much - what did the seller advertise the card as? Did you pay a lot? My guess is that it's a genuine `77 card that someone triedto soil to date it. Hope that helps - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ----------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "LYONS RONI" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2010 11:34:21 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] help with ted lyons card [2 Attachments] [ Attachment(s) from LYONS RONI included below] I have tried to get one of every ted lyons cards but the exhibits have beenhard. I bid on this one without researching it because I knew I didn't have it. when I received it I looked it up to see what year it was 29-38 four in ones but it doesn't match any of them. First question is what is it, second is it vintage or a fake. The seller sells a lot of 20's,30's,40's itemsand doesn't have any negative feedback but the biggest reason why it maybea fake is the back. It looks like it was "cooked",dark squares and straight lines on the back like it was on a mesh type rack and heated. Any help would be great and what should I do if I think it is a fake. Rick ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:27:42 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Mike Rumley-Wells Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? Practical wisdom--I ask my 13-year-old daughter to do the same! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ed Schott Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? To: mikerw7 when I upgrade ... it just depends on my mood sometimes I just keep both and wait for an even better one a lot of times i just let my 15 yr old daughter decide and she could care my call is that its really just personal preference ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 02:25:32 -0600 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Mike Rumley-Wells Subject: Fwd: writing on cards Brock asked me to pass on replies I got to this threat. I thought this one by Rich was really insightful. It puts the questions into perspective. May not make everyone agree on the value of the card, but at least I can feel good about keeping the card I like better! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 6:11 PM Subject: writing on cards To: mikerw7@gmail.com Hi Mike, When in doubt, invent your own grading system - that's what I have done. I figured if this Tipton guy could revolutionize the world of grading, I could do the same. Let's say you have a near mint card that's badly off-center. Should it be down-graded to VG? No way! It's still NM, so in your inventory list or whatever you use, it becomes NM How about this from my own experience? I had a 1951 Bowman Mantle Rookie #253 in VG-EX, except that in pen there was a large upper case "N" on the back. Did I call it poor, fair, good? Nope, it got graded VG-EX (writing on back). Grading it like that brought a lot more money when I had to sell We are taught from an early age not to accept everything that is put in front of us and drummed into our heads. Decide for yourself what is right and if you insist on it enough, others will follow you. I hope this helps you with your future grading. Rich Niessen ================= Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2010 18:07:43 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Mike Rumley-Wells From: John Stamper Subject: Re: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? I do the same thing...I ask my 15 year Daughter which card she prefers and she usually says the one I know is better. The kids call it as it is. --- On Thu, 1/7/10, Mike Rumley-Wells wrote: From: Mike Rumley-Wells Subject: Fwd: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 12:27 AM Practical wisdom--I ask my 13-year-old daughter to do the same! ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ed Schott Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Writing on cards? To: mikerw7 when I upgrade ... it just depends on my mood sometimesI just keep both and wait for an even better one a lot of times i just let my 15 yr old daughter decide and she could care less my call is that its really just personal preference ================= Date: Fri, 08 Jan 2010 15:07:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Fly Eagles, Fly Should be a great game tomorrow night. Good luck to the Cowboys but better luck to the Eagles. Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 14:55:24 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: SABR? Any SABR members in our group? Please drop me an email. Thanks. George Vrechek ================= Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2010 16:07:32 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Reminder: Warwick, RI show coming up in Feb Hi all, Found this listing from a dealer's site: February 2010, Feb 6 West Warwick, RI - Valley Inn Cranston Sports Card Show It's been a good show in the past. If nothing else, you can hang out next to Mr. Mint's table and watch the theater. Anyone else interested and able to go? ================= Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 14:28:18 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: maybe? Not sure if anyone is familiar with these or may want them but I thought it a bit interesting. Best to all, BB _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320472401086&ssPageNameSTRK:MEWAX:IT_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320472401086&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT) ================= To: , Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:53:20 +0000 From: LYONS RONI Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Removing Glue part two From: rrrlyons@msn.com To: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Removing Glue part two Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 23:52:31 +0000 It was two and a half days before I was able to check on my cards. the cards were stuck to the paper towels pretty good had to peel them off. could ofput more paper towels or tried to dry them off alittle better first to help with that I assume or replace the towels sooner before the towels had a chance to dry that much. All in all they looked pretty good replaced the paper towels and now waiting my ten days. If the whole back is covered with glue and paper I would recamend trying this it's worth being able reading thebacks but I don't think I'm going to do it with cards that have glue in the corners with not much to gain by it. To: tvalacak@comcast.net CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 07:29:31 +0000 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Removing Glue Hi T.J., Cards with white glue are pretty simple, simple soak them in very hot water. I like to add just a little bleach to the water I use a small pail so there is about a 1/2 gallon of water in there. After about 10 minutes or so (sometimes less) the paper can be easily "slid" right off the card. Then I gently rub the back of the card with my thumb, I can usually feel thetackiness of the glue residue and stop rubbing when I do not feel it any more. When this is complete I blot excess water with a paper towel and thenprepare to flatten the cards. I do this by placing the cards face down ona piece of wax paper on a flat surface, then I place a couple pieces of paper towel and another piece of wax paper. I continue the process until allthe cards I am "soaking" are set up for pressing, then I place weight on the cards (books, boxes of cards, anything heavy). After 48 hours or so I remove the weight and let the cards "air out" for and hour or so, then I setup the pressing again use new paper towel blotter paper and this time for as long as a week sometimes (or whenever I get to them). By now the cards will be quite flat and presentable. I find that the wax paper actually adds a slight layer of wax to the front of the card, if this is acceptable to you just leave it alone, if you want that removed use one of your wife's discarded nylon hose and gently rub the card with the hose. The small bit of bleach I use help to eliminate the "moof" smell that some older cards have and that these might obtain if not dried properly. The process is time consuming but I have used it to remove scrapbook paper remnants with great success for quite some time. This process can also be used with other types of glue like mucilage, the paper usually comes off but the soaking time is longer and usually there is some glue that had permanently bound to the cardboard and although thecard will not be sticky the "glossy" appearance of the remnant glue remains. There is probably some organic solvent (like acetone, benzene or toluene) that will remove this glue but it may do damage to the cardboard, not tomention the volatility and carcinogenic nature of these compounds. So I would stick to the H2O treatment. Another thing I would note is that the grey stock used in Bowman and early Topps cards fair rather well with this technique but "lighter colored"stock used in the `60's and beyond will be slightly discolored because they have incurred water damage. The discoloration will be uniform and therefore not too noticeable but it's there, I find that the bleach helps to minimize this effect as well. Well I hope you found this long winded response helpful - BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------------- MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: "tjv815" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2009 11:26:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Removing Glue Another ramble for everyone tonight (I haven't had this much time to post rambles in months). I picked up a lot of 1950 Bowmans a few months ago. The lot was correctly described as poor. Many of the cards have glue residue onthe back. I know I have read about some of you that have removed glue fromthe backs of cards. Can anyone give me some pointers? Is there a Youtube vidoe on this? ANy help would be appreciated. Thanks http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:53:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Ebay bid due to Bob Bannon tip I decided to check out Bob Bannon's Ebay referral. He recommended a 1927 Yankee set included in the first issue of Baseball Quarterly. This is a TCMA issue, and I have an affinity for their retro sets. I put in the whopping bid of $11.09 if anyone wants to outbid me. Thanks for the tip Bob. Mike Rich ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 02:28:41 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1952B #2 Bobby Thomson available I have a trimmed '52B Thomson that's in need of a good home. Any claims? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 03:43:44 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Checking in OBCers -- Hello again!! I thought I'd check in on a slow day. I'm under 60 daysto go and can't wait to get on that plane home. And I want to just say thanks again to everyone for the great Christmas gift you guys sent - I look at those cards every day and they will always hold a special spot in my collection! I was talking to my wife over the weekend and couldn't believe that it was 24 degrees at our house in Florida...I feel bad for the farmers there, as I bet they've been all over the local news. I guess beer will be cheaper than orange juice when I get home...which is good, since I haven't had a cold one in five months. I'm looking forward to Opening Day, Dawson in a Cubs hat, the Blackhawks inthe playoffs, and March Madness. Of course, my wife has quite a list going of "honey-dos" for my return, so I'm sure the honeymoon will be short and I'll be right back to working for the lovely Mrs. Wagner. The other day, one of the kids was trying to get something off the top shelf of our bedroom closet and ended up pulling everything out of the wall. My wife was extremely frustrated with dealing with home emergencies by herself - the heater is messed up, me bugging her about draining the sprinkler pump, car issues, etc. After I talked to her, I went over to the chow hall and sawsomething that made me feel how lucky we actually are. Here's what I wrote "I thought I'd tell you what I saw last night that might make you put it inperspective. I was at chow last night when about 30 of our soldiers marched in looking sharp in their uniforms to have dinner with the 3-star General. The only thing different about these soldiers from the ones sittingby me was that all of them were missing at least an arm or a leg, many of them missing two, or they were severely burned. The deployment was obviously done for those guys, as they were probably going home after dinner with the boss. Watching them come in was both depressing and inspiring at the same time - it's hard to describe. They didn't look angry or self-pitying, they looked proud that they were coming to eat with their fellow soldiers, dressed as soldiers. It's hard to think about them getting home and being unable to hug their wife or children because they have no arms, or to have their young child scared of them because they only have half a face. I hope the nation doesn't forget about them. I will always remember that sight, and remember that my worst day is still going to be better than their best day." So fellas, count your blessings and keep that in mind when your day is going I'll check in again sometime before I head home - see ya soon! Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 17:48:30 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: another interesting piece _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360225108121&ssPageNameADME:B:SS:US:1123_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360225108121&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123) ================= Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 04:31:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "welfar03" Subject: Anyone heard of Marhoefer Winner Cards I was looking for some cards to put out on waiver and found 3 non-sports cards that I've had for years. They were put out by Marhoefer Wienner Company in either 60 or 61. They are 1/2 taller and wider than a standard card. They are also a little thicker with a wax coating. They are B&W. Two of them have Indy Car Drivers. One is Tony Bettenhausen and the other is Johnnie Tolan. The other card has a picture of a F-106 Delta Dart Jet. All three have bios on the back. Does anyone know anything about these? Ken P. ================= To: Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2010 22:42:56 -0600 From: "Mark Zentkovich" Subject: McGwire oh well...I guess I can't collect McFraud any more..what a bummer since I am almost at 700 diff.. I guess I need to do Musial instead?! http://home.earthlink.net/~mzentko/ ================= To: Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:23:48 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Anybody want to share a lot of t205's? I have a big lot of t205's coming in. My choices are to either start a second set or split the lot up. Is anyone interested in t205 commons at $15 acard? Trades for other pre-war welcome too. Generally, the t205's are decent...some have some back damage though (maybe10%). Let me know if you're interested. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ================= Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 07:33:06 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] another interesting piece For context, these are likely 1940 Wheaties "Champs of the USA" cards. They originally came 3 per box (with a title and # header) and have been trimmed to the player + bio. From: "biggies@aol.com" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, January 11, 2010 5:48:30 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] another interesting piece http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=360225108121&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1123 ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 10:44:01 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: Most of one particular card. What is the most of one card you have in your collection? I have about 25 copies of the 1971 #732 card of Bob Reed. I also purchased 200 1964 Giantsof Dean Chance but gave about half of them to Dean at a card show so now Ionly have about 100. That pales in comparison to my recent purchase. I picked up some most UV crap monster boxes on Craig's list. One of the boxes contain basically multiple copies of 10 different cards. One of them was a 1989 Gary Thurman. I didn't count them all but I'm estimating that there were 1500 1989 Gary Thurman cards. That's right, 1500 copies of the same card!!!!!! If you don't believe me, I've attached a photo. How does one accumulate 1500 of one card and where are the other 791 cards in the set?And why couldn't it have been somebody a little better than Thurman? So, if anybody needs one (or hundred) 1989 #323 Gary Thurman's let me know :-) Hmmm, if I burn them all does he now become a short print? By the way I also have about 1300 Dan Driessen's from 1984. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ================= Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 13:20:45 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most of one particular card. [1 Attachment] I misread the title of this thread thinking to myself, "Hey, I've got most of a 52 Mantle. It's only missing a little bit of the borders." Seriously though, I think for me it would be something from the 1978 Topps set. It was loaded with double prints and I bought a big group lot ages ago in an auction. After sorting them all out numerically, I think I ended up with around 25 Rawley Eastwick's. I didn't bother looking through the rest of the box too much after that. I also remember opening packs with my brother as kids around '78 or '79 and getting a Mike Lum card in almost every other pack. Don't know if any of them are still in the old dupes box today though. Ken M ================= To: , Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:12:51 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody want to share a lot of t205's? I might start a second set too...we should talk :) I think you should start a second set while we are at it :) OBC forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:23 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Anybody want to share a lot of t205's? I have a big lot of t205's coming in. My choices are to either start a second set or split the lot up. Is anyone interested in t205 commons at $15a card? Trades for other pre-war welcome too. Generally, the t205's are decent...some have some back damage though (maybe Let me know if you're interested. Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:40:11 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Most of one particular card. [1 Attachment] I have 34 copies of Jim Kiick 1971 Topps FB... That's on purpose. I might have 50 of #2 Jim Butler but that's because he's been included in nearly every lot of 1971T FB I've bought...I put the best 14 of them in my binders, as some of you know I am collecting 14 sets of that beautiful, nostalgic set :) I did buy a huge lot of 1987 Topps cards once before, most of them were severly miscut. I think it was Henry Cotto and Rick Schu that shared parts of about 60 cards. Sorry I cannot find a use for hundreds of Gary Thurman cards but I have some Gary Thurman trivia....he had the same amount of career HBP as career HR,and three times as many career triples as HR ! That's pretty rare...and pretty trivial. Sorry Bob, but you can't even use those million cards to look these juicy facts up...Gary didn't hit his 2 career HR's nor was he ever hit by a pitch until after your cards were printed....maybe you could get out an inkpen and write in the updates~! I'd love to hear more stories on this topic! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 7:44 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Most of one particular card. [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Bob Reed included below] What is the most of one card you have in your collection? I have about 25 copies of the 1971 #732 card of Bob Reed. I also purchased 200 1964 Giants of Dean Chance but gave about half of them to Dean at a card show so nowI only have about 100. That pales in comparison to my recent purchase. I picked up some most UV crap monster boxes on Craig's list. One of the boxes contain basically multiple copies of 10 different cards. One of themwas a 1989 Gary Thurman. I didn't count them all but I'm estimating that there were 1500 1989 Gary Thurman cards. That's right, 1500 copies of the same card!!!!!! If you don't believe me, I've attached a photo. How does one accumulate 1500 of one card and where are the other 791 cards in the set? And why couldn't it have been somebody a little better than Thurman? So, if anybody needs one (or hundred) 1989 #323 Gary Thurman's let me know :-) Hmmm, if I burn them all does he now become a short print? By the way I also have about 1300 Dan Driessen's from 1984. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 00:01:37 -0500 From: ehpiii@aol.com Subject: Olympics I am heading up to Vancouver the last week of February for the Olympics. Ifany OBC'er are going to be in Vancouver then, please email me at ehpiii@aol.com. Ed Pike ================= To: , Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:07:13 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Olympics Ed, if you stop in the other Vancouver (Wa), I'll be here!! I've tried bugging our NBC Universal rep for hockey tickets but it doesn't look like there are any to be had ( or I'm just not far enough up the ladder which is the most likely answer) He gave me a commemorative hockey puck. That's terrific that you are going...hope you have a great time! OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: ehpiii@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2010 9:01 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Olympics I am heading up to Vancouver the last week of February for the Olympics. If any OBC'er are going to be in Vancouver then, please email me at ehpiii@aol.com. Ed Pike ================= Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 21:53:10 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: Another Super OBC Meet Had the opportunity with my job to make a very short-notice drive to Salt Lake City last night. After my business was taken care of I couldn't leave without at least trying to contact Marshall West who lives just north of SLC and see if he was available for a short meet. I was in luck, the signs of the Zodiac were in complete alignment. My wife Joanne and I drove over to Marshall's place early this morning before heading back to Vegas. Marshall was kind enough to offer some hot coffee and a brief respite (as in nap) for a couple of weary travelers. We were treated to a very cool collection of Coke memorabilia including a working vintage (from the 30's I would guess, forgot to ask) Coke machine. Marshall also showed me "his" room and expansive albeit eclectic collection. Was given an education on the 1962 Topps and it's many variations as well as his interest in the Venezuelan version of this set. Very cool stuff. However he did fail to interest me in collecting those variations ;>) It also turns out we may have a non-baseball mutual friend from our past that I'm investigating. If it turns out to be, we both agreed it's sometimes a very small world. Marshall didn't let me leave without a remembrance of the visit which might a new Hank item and a very precious vintage item that I will mull over what to do with. Also this was a very special trip for Joanne. She's always wanted to see some snow and today her wish came true. Marshall's house is right next to a very majestic mountain range and of course full of snow as were the streets and his yard. She was pretty psyched. Thanks Marshall for the great visit and look forward to returning the favor when you visit Vegas. OBC is always the greatest as moments like this will be proof, Lynn ================= To: Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 11:14:27 -0500 From: Gord E BODY { font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:12px; } Hi All!! I'm in Florida for an extended vacation till April 18. I just want to contact all my friends who have sent me cards lately. If I haven't sent you cards in return I'll do so when I return. I think I'll be really busy doing that!! I've found a good old fashioned baseball card shop here and have been pretty successful hitting my wantlist. If anyone can hit my '50's wantlist and has some wants I can see what I can do. Howvever, with limited funds,my 1st choice will be to hit my own. Also, I only check my email once a week so ther emay be a delay in my getting back to you. As a note, he has a good supply of commons and very minor stars of '57-69T & '54B & '55B with a smaller supply of '55T and '56T with very few other Bowmans. So, let me know if there is anything we can do for each other. A statement of minimum condition would be great too!! Thanks, Gord Ellis ================= Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 21:09:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Could someone e-mail me my password to access my want list I have been away for so long due to teaching obligations that I forgot my password to access my want list. Could someone please e-mail me my password to access my want list. Also I have obtained a few lower grade dups 1950's and 1960's non-sport cards I will be posting on want list availables. For the first time I actually obtained a couple of 1960's Get Smart cards in lower grade for a reasonable price. That is a first for me because I havefound Get Smart cards from the 60's to be expensive even in low grade, thecards must be hard to find. I don't see them often. I might actually have time to send a few cards out to traders now. ================= Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2010 22:23:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tjv815" Subject: Graded and Trimmed Hey Gang, I finally thought I put my 1960 set to rest, as I was the winning bidder for a Beckett 4 Mantle all-star card. The card arrived today, and unfortunately, I will be returning the card. It has been trimmed. Not even an even trim. this is more like a bade scissor job. Small, but bad. It is obvious without really having to take a close look. The rest of the card is indecent shape. The shape I would expect froma graded 4 card. My question is this; If the card was trimmed, would it be possible to receive a grade of4? I have tried to include a link to the ebay auction. I hope it works. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item110477823833&_trksidp2759.l1259 ================= Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 18:25:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Could someone please email me my password Hello- since I have been out of it for awhile I forgot my password to access my OBC want list. Could the person who handles this please e-mail me my password so I can access my want list and update it. Thanks, Linda ================= Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:27:20 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: debating I am trying to decide if I ant to build the 1956 set. I picked up about 15 of the more exensive cards including the Mantle. It is just that i see a lot of the others are expensive. It poses a dilemma. I would like to do the set but I do not know if I can afford it. any advice richard labs ================= To: Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:34:35 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] debating I started it about 2 years ago and am down to 7 left, not counting variations which I am also slowly nibbling away at. I've had opportunities to buy some of these last couple dozen more expensive cards, but have always passed, always looking to get them cheaper, or by trade (more fun). And so far it has worked out. But I may have run my luck out, as these last 7 seem pretty resistant. So I would advise that if you have the 7 most expensive cards, you can do the And if you decide not, I'll trade you for the Mantle. Lol. Richard Dingman To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rlabs1@elp.rr.com Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:27:20 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] debating I am trying to decide if I ant to build the 1956 set. I picked up about 15 of the more exensive cards including the Mantle. It is just that i see a lot of the others are expensive. It poses a dilemma. I would like to do the set but I do not know if I can afford it. any advice richard labs ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:59:08 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] debating In this group the answer to the question, "Should I start a set?" is always "YES!" Odds are there's at least one other person collecting it. (If not, then Mike Rich has already finished it). Plus, if you've already knocked off the Mantle and a dozen or so of the more expensive cards, then your quest is already a lot easier. Now if you're debating whether to go after the white/gray backs and the five versions of some of the team cards, well that's a whole other ball of wax ;-) Ken M In a message dated 1/15/2010 6:31:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlabs1@elp.rr.com writes: I am trying to decide if I ant to build the 1956 set. I picked up about 15 of the more exensive cards including the Mantle. It is just that i see a lot of the others are expensive. It poses a dilemma. I would like to do the set but I do not know if I can afford it. any advice ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 05:47:13 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] debating (starting 1956 Topps) 1956 remains my favorite set, so definitely encourage you to start it, even if assembled slowly. There are enough commons out there to find group lots and no doubt some OBC folks can help out. From: Richard To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, January 15, 2010 6:27:20 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] debating I am trying to decide if I ant to build the 1956 set. I picked up about 15 of the more exensive cards including the Mantle. It is just that i see a lot of the others are expensive. It poses a dilemma. I would like to do the set but I do not know if I can afford it. any advice richard labs ================= To: , Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:55:51 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] debating I agree, actually I am finding it harder to find many of the white back variations, let alone the more obscure variations, than the more expensive stars. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 06:59:08 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] debating In this group the answer to the question, "Should I start a set?" is always "YES!" Odds are there's at least one other person collecting it. (If not, then Mike Rich has already finished it). Plus, if you've already knockedoff the Mantle and a dozen or so of the more expensive cards, then your quest is already a lot easier. Now if you're debating whether to go after thewhite/gray backs and the five versions of some of the team cards, well that's a whole other ball of wax ;-) Ken M In a message dated 1/15/2010 6:31:58 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, rlabs1@elp.rr.com I am trying to decide if I ant to build the 1956 set. I picked up about 15 of the more exensive cards including the Mantle. It is just that i see a lot of the others are expensive. It poses a dilemma. I would like to do the set but I do not know if I can afford it. any advice ================= To: , Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 11:26:14 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: 76 star trek needs Need: 1976 star trek #3,5,11,12,17,25,26,29,40,45,46,50,51,52,56,57,70,77,83 Have# 1976 star trek#86,82,79,75,73,72,68,65,58,47,43,39,36,34,27,20 Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:59:26 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MIKE DIAMANTI Subject: Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:01:39 -0800 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: MIKE DIAMANTI Subject: Seattle P-I Link To follow up on my last posting: Here's the Seattle P-I link: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/archives/191166.asp CoffeeDude still forgetful Diowmontay ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 10:13:46 -0800 (PST) To: MIKE DIAMANTI , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Seattle P-I Link I'll throw in with Steve Carlton. Love the peaks that Randy and Sandy both hit, just prefer Carlton's lengthy tenure with 2 teams and amazing 27-10 record for a 59-win team in 1972. Too bad he's pretty nutty in person. From: MIKE DIAMANTI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 1:01:39 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Seattle P-I Link To follow up on my last posting: Here's the Seattle P-I link: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/archives/191166.asp CoffeeDude still forgetful Diowmontay ================= To: , OBC Ramblings Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:00:59 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? They didn't even mention the best lefty. I would put them in order: Lefty Grove Sandy Koufax Warren Spahn Randy Johnson Steve Carlton There have been three pitchers that have averaged more than one individual triple crown title per season. Sandy Koufax (3 Win titles, 5 ERA titles, 4 Strikeout titles 12 titles in 12 seasons) Walter Johnson (who happens to be the top righty) (6 W, 5 ERA, 12 K 23 titles in 21 seasons) Lefty Grove (4 W, 9 ERA, 7 K 20 titles in 17 seasons) Warren Spahn (8 W, 3 ERA, 4 K 15 titles in 21 seasons) Randy Johnson (1 W, 4 ERA, 9 K 14 titles in 21 seasons) Steve Carlton (4 W, 1 ERA, 5 K 10 titles in 24 seasons) So based on their peers Grove was the more dominant pitcher of his era. You could make a good argument that Koufax was more dominant but he did it ina 5 year period where Grove did it for a longer period. In all fairness to Johnson he had to compete for titles against twice as many pitchers. If somebody wanted to put Johnson ahead of Spahn then I wouldn't have a problem with that but in my mind Grove and Koufax are clearly 1 and 2. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: diamanti@wildblue.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:59:26 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ================= To: , Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 12:08:33 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Lefty Grove- unbelievable stats in hitting dominant era. Steve Carlton- great combination of longevity and individual dominant years Warren Spahn -unbeliveable consistency, nice guy too! Randy Johnson- dominant years, incredible stats for modern era pitcher Eddie Plank- two of the best baseball cards ever (E95 and T206!!) and 300 wins way before any other lefty. Sandy Koufax-unbelievable stats for 6 years when no one was hitting anyway.A distant 6th place on my list. OBC forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: diamanti@wildblue.net ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? They didn't even mention the best lefty. I would put them in order: Lefty Grove Sandy Koufax Warren Spahn Randy Johnson Steve Carlton There have been three pitchers that have averaged more than one individual triple crown title per season. Sandy Koufax (3 Win titles, 5 ERA titles, 4 Strikeout titles 12 titles in 12 seasons) Walter Johnson (who happens to be the top righty) (6 W, 5 ERA, 12 K 23 titles in 21 seasons) Lefty Grove (4 W, 9 ERA, 7 K 20 titles in 17 seasons) Warren Spahn (8 W, 3 ERA, 4 K 15 titles in 21 seasons) Randy Johnson (1 W, 4 ERA, 9 K 14 titles in 21 seasons) Steve Carlton (4 W, 1 ERA, 5 K 10 titles in 24 seasons) So based on their peers Grove was the more dominant pitcher of his era. You could make a good argument that Koufax was more dominant but he did it in a 5 year period where Grove did it for a longer period. In all fairnessto Johnson he had to compete for titles against twice as many pitchers. If somebody wanted to put Johnson ahead of Spahn then I wouldn't have a problem with that but in my mind Grove and Koufax are clearly 1 and 2. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: diamanti@wildblue.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:59:26 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:20:44 -0500 From: rjsfgmv@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? I say maybe Lefty Grove But my vote is Warren Spahn 357 wins with 23 of them when he was 42. 382 complete the other guys are swell enough but these two stand out. Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lindholme To: diamanti@wildblue.net; OBC Ramblings ; Bob Reed Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Lefty Grove- unbelievable stats in hitting dominant era. Steve Carlton- great combination of longevity and individual dominant years Warren Spahn -unbeliveable consistency, nice guy too! Randy Johnson- dominant years, incredible stats for modern era pitcher Eddie Plank- two of the best baseball cards ever (E95 and T206!!) and 300 wins way before any other lefty. Sandy Koufax-unbelievable stats for 6 years when no one was hitting anyway.A distant 6th place on my list. OBC forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: diamanti@wildblue.net ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? They didn't even mention the best lefty. I would put them in order: Lefty Grove Sandy Koufax Warren Spahn Randy Johnson Steve Carlton There have been three pitchers that have averaged more than one individual triple crown title per season. Sandy Koufax (3 Win titles, 5 ERA titles, 4 Strikeout titles 12 titles in 12 seasons) Walter Johnson (who happens to be the top righty) (6 W, 5 ERA, 12 K 23 titles in 21 seasons) Lefty Grove (4 W, 9 ERA, 7 K 20 titles in 17 seasons) Warren Spahn (8 W, 3 ERA, 4 K 15 titles in 21 seasons) Randy Johnson (1 W, 4 ERA, 9 K 14 titles in 21 seasons) Steve Carlton (4 W, 1 ERA, 5 K 10 titles in 24 seasons) So based on their peers Grove was the more dominant pitcher of his era. You could make a good argument that Koufax was more dominant but he did it in a 5 year period where Grove did it for a longer period. In all fairness to Johnson he had to compete for titles against twice as many pitchers. If somebody wanted to put Johnson ahead of Spahn then I wouldn't have a problem with that but in my mind Grove and Koufax are clearly 1 and 2. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: diamanti@wildblue.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:59:26 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:26:03 -0500 From: Bob Corvello Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? As a certifiably obsessed Red Sox fan, I hate to even write these words; but shouldn't Whitey Ford be part of the conversation, at least for intangibles and pitching know-how? Bob Corvello -----Original Message----- From: rjsfgmv@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? I say maybe Lefty Grove But my vote is Warren Spahn 357 wins with 23 of them when he was 42. 382 complete games the other guys are swell enough but these two stand out. Randy Welk -----Original Message----- From: Brian Lindholme To: diamanti@wildblue.net; OBC Ramblings ; Bob Reed Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Lefty Grove- unbelievable stats in hitting dominant era. Steve Carlton- great combination of longevity and individual dominant Warren Spahn -unbeliveable consistency, nice guy too! Randy Johnson- dominant years, incredible stats for modern era pitcher Eddie Plank- two of the best baseball cards ever (E95 and T206!!) and 300 wins way before any other lefty. Sandy Koufax-unbelievable stats for 6 years when no one was hitting anyway. A distant 6th place on my list. OBC forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Reed To: diamanti@wildblue.net ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:00 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? They didn't even mention the best lefty. I would put them in order: Lefty Grove Sandy Koufax Warren Spahn Randy Johnson Steve Carlton There have been three pitchers that have averaged more than one individual triple crown title per season. Sandy Koufax (3 Win titles, 5 ERA titles, 4 Strikeout titles 12 titles in 12 seasons) Walter Johnson (who happens to be the top righty) (6 W, 5 ERA, 12 K 23 titles in 21 seasons) Lefty Grove (4 W, 9 ERA, 7 K 20 titles in 17 seasons) Warren Spahn (8 W, 3 ERA, 4 K 15 titles in 21 seasons) Randy Johnson (1 W, 4 ERA, 9 K 14 titles in 21 seasons) Steve Carlton (4 W, 1 ERA, 5 K 10 titles in 24 seasons) So based on their peers Grove was the more dominant pitcher of his era. You could make a good argument that Koufax was more dominant but he did it in a 5 year period where Grove did it for a longer period. In all fairness to Johnson he had to compete for titles against twice as many pitchers. If somebody wanted to put Johnson ahead of Spahn then I wouldn't have a problem with that but in my mind Grove and Koufax are clearly 1 and 2. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: diamanti@wildblue.net Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 09:59:26 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH IN! Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:51:53 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Turning cards into a Haitian donation Hi all, I'm seriously considering auctioning a couple of vintage sets and donating the money to Red Cross. Most of my sets include at least some OBC contributions, so advance notice that any eBay sales under my name will be headed to help folks who need it! ================= To: "'Matthew Glidden'" , Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2010 23:40:36 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Turning cards into a Haitian donation Good for you Spike. Please send a link of your auctions so we can bid! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Matthew Glidden Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 3:52 PM To: obc ramblings Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Turning cards into a Haitian donation Hi all, I'm seriously considering auctioning a couple of vintage sets and donating the money to Red Cross. Most of my sets include at least some OBC contributions, so advance notice that any eBay sales under my name will be headed to help folks who need it! ================= To: "'MIKE DIAMANTI'" , Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 17:02:58 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? I think I'd go with 1 Koufax 2 Grove 3 Spahn 4 Johnson 5 Carlton I looked those four up (along with Plank and Ford) on http://www.baseball-reference.com/. It's interesting to note how many time each led the league or came in the top 5 for a particular category. I put Koufax first because he was so dominant and retired early due to injuries, so I guess I'm going by peak value. Otherwise I think it would be between Grove and Spahn. In my mind Ford and Plank are quite a ways below these Nice topic to discuss! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of MIKE DIAMANTI Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2010 12:59 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee ================= Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:03:54 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Turning cards into a Haitian donation Thanks for the positive feedback so far on the set-to-donation idea. Multiple OBCers asked for a chance to bid, so I'll let folks know prior to anything going to eBay. > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: glidden.matthew@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 15:51:53 -0500 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Turning cards into a Haitian donation > Hi all, > I'm seriously considering auctioning a couple of vintage sets and donating > the money to Red Cross. > Most of my sets include at least some OBC contributions, so advance notice > that any eBay sales under my name will be headed to help folks who need it! > Spike > ------------------------------ > Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ================= To: diamanti@wildblue.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:45:00 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? I am going to have to say Sandy Koufax.....he was before my time, but the #s don't lie, and I have seen tapes....Although I might say Randy Johnson isa close 2nd! Rob Gioia -----Original Message----- From: MIKE DIAMANTI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 12:59 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Best Lefty of all time? Well Gals and Guys: While reading the newspaper online this morning while drinking some delicious coffee, I came across an article in the Seattle P-I. Who's the Best Lefty of all time? This immediately struck me as a worthy and hot topic for OBC members. WEIGH Mike your coffee guy Diowemontee ================= To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, diamanti@wildblue.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:47:26 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Seattle P-I Link I made my educated guess before I saw the P-I Link -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: MIKE DIAMANTI ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Jan 16, 2010 1:13 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Seattle P-I Link I'll throw in with Steve Carlton. Love the peaks that Randy and Sandy both hit, just prefer Carlton's lengthy tenure with 2 teams and amazing 27-10 record for a 59-win team in 1972. Too bad he's pretty nutty in person. From: MIKE DIAMANTI To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, January 16, 2010 1:01:39 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Seattle P-I Link To follow up on my last posting: Here's the Seattle P-I link: http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlesports/archives/191166.asp CoffeeDude still forgetful Diowmontay ================= Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:51:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "ricktopps" Subject: Everything we "hate" about baseball card collecting??? I saw an auction on eBay that might give you a chuckle. It represents so many things that we dislike in a card. http://cgi.ebay.com/1952-Topps-Mickey-Mantle-311-Trimmed-RP_W0QQitemZ180457057185QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Baseball?hashitem2a04142ba1 Here are some of the issues as I see them: 1. The card is a reprint. (at least the seller is courteus enough to tellus before someone lays out some big money for a reprint. 2. The card is slabbed. 3. The slab looks like PSA in color, but is in fact something else which it doesn't bother to identify. It just has the colors of PSA. (a little scary reminder that it wouldn't be hard to produce a similar slab that lookedeven more like PSA.) 4. The card is trimmed. Now, why anyone would go to the work of trimming a reprint is beyond me. Hopefully the card is just a little interesting to someone out there. Rick Johnson ================= To: Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 10:18:46 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: Keeping in the spirit Hello All, After a killer lot of cards from Lynn I am trying to keep up with the spirit of giving: Here are so dupes up for grabs: 1959 fleer ted williams #28 1959 topps 1960 topps #8,20,39,54,61,160(mantle trimmed big 1960 leaf#56 1960 fleer#70 Lmk what you need Anthony Arbeeny ================= To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 08:24:47 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:Everything we "hate" about baseball card collecting??? It says reprint but if you move too fast you may miss it. I wound up bidding on a 1952T McDougald for $10 not seeing that it was a graded reprint. I was the only bidder since everyone else did a more careful job of reading the description. I paid for the card, received it, removed it from its holder, soaked it in water, drew a moustache on it, crumpled it up, and returned it to the sender to take it out of circulation. Maybe that's what someone thought they were doing when they trimmed the Mantle reprint. I mentioned this craziness in a SCD article this week - "Steve and his gang don't fuss over the cardboard that much, which is refreshing in an era when people are getting Topps reprints graded by PSA and offering them on the Internet for $15 a piece." George Vrechek ================= To: Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:41:48 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Everything we "hate" about baseball card collecting??? I , as many , just get scared of some of the vintage Reprints. You cannot tell from pic on the internet most of the times. Why did Topps ever do this? But on a good note I saw a 52 bowman Mantle up on Ebay ending last night after the Jets game. I said.WOW it is only $280 so far. I put in my bid and won alittle over $300. The reason why I had the "balls" to do that is it was from John Morrison.OBC friendly dealer. Otherwise I would have never done it. Funny part I do not really need it since I am not working on the set. I need the 51 mantle..I never thought I would win. I am sure my wife has a different thought. I have a couple of reprint cards I was faked out on. The best was the mayo plug. Turns out that it does not say the name on the back but the fake ones do. Who would have thought. Anthony Arbeeny From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of George Vrechek Sent: Monday, January 18, 2010 9:25 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Everything we "hate" about baseball card It says reprint but if you move too fast you may miss it. I wound up bidding on a 1952T McDougald for $10 not seeing that it was a graded reprint. I was the only bidder since everyone else did a more careful job of reading the description. I paid for the card, received it, removed it from its holder, soaked it in water, drew a moustache on it, crumpled it up, and returned it to the sender to take it out of circulation. Maybe that's what someone thought they were doing when they trimmed the Mantle reprint. I mentioned this craziness in a SCD article this week - "Steve and his gang don't fuss over the cardboard that much, which is refreshing in an era when people are getting Topps reprints graded by PSA and offering them on the Internet for $15 a piece." George Vrechek ================= To: George Vrechek Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:47:54 -0500 From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re:Everything we "hate" about baseball card collecting??? I'm not crazy about the willingness to fill out new issues with old reprints, either. Many new collectors don't realize older, original cards are readily acquired in lower grades, often for what they'd cost in a $10/pack set. It's not money in Topps' pocket to buy on eBay, of course, but hopefully means more to the collectors themselves. On Jan 18, 2010, at 9:24 AM, "George Vrechek" > Rick, > It says reprint but if you move too fast you may miss it. I wound up > bidding on a 1952T McDougald for $10 not seeing that it was a graded > reprint. I was the only bidder since everyone else did a more > careful job of reading the description. I paid for the card, > received it, removed it from its holder, soaked it in water, drew a > moustache on it, crumpled it up, and returned it to the sender to > take it out of circulation. Maybe that=E2=99s what someone thought they > ere doing when they trimmed the Mantle reprint. I mentioned this cra > ziness in a SCD article this week =E2=93 =E2=9CSteve and his gang don=E2=99t > fuss over the cardboard that much, which is refreshing in an era whe > n people are getting Topps reprints graded by PSA and offering them > on the Internet for $15 a piece.=E2=9D > George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 09:48:39 EST To: vrechek@ameritech.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:Everything we "hate" about baseball card collecting??? Content-Language: en I was watching this auction as well. Scratching my head as well. How does this card get graded as a 52 if it's a reprint? It says reprint but if you move too fast you may miss it. I wound up bidding on a 1952T McDougald for $10 not seeing that it was a graded reprint. was the only bidder since everyone else did a more careful job of reading the description. I paid for the card, received it, removed it from its holder, soaked it in water, drew a moustache on it, crumpled it up, and returned it to the sender to take it out of circulation. Maybe that=E2=99s what someone thought they were doing when they trimmed the Mantle reprint. I mentioned this craziness in a SCD article this week =E2=93 =E2=9CSteve and hisgang don=E2=99t fuss over the cardboard that much, which is refreshing in an era when people are getting Topps reprints graded by PSA and offering them on the Internet for $15 a piece.=E2=9D George Vrechek ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:07:40 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: Officially Retired I would like to thank everyone who helped me with of the issues I had with my pending retiriement. Today was the first day I didn't have to get up at 4:30A to get ready for work. Very surreal indeed to sleep in and not worry about going to work. It seemed like forever to get to this point. Now I'm still trying figure what to do with my days after I got some honey-dos out of the way of course. I've had a lot of suggestions on how to schedule my days but I'm going to play it by ear. Four trips planned for this year the USBC Bowling tournament and R&R with my family in Sacramento in Feb/Mar.; daughter's wedding in June; the National in Baltimore, and the daughter's reception in Sept. (don't ask). For those who are retired I do have a question, I have a friend who works for Social Security. I told her I had retired last Friday. I had talked to her late last year that I was intending on retiring this year and had started the paperwork for Social Security. Then, my financial advisor suggested I wait until I'm 661/2 and then collect the max. So, I had intended on doing that and use my wife's salary plus an annuity for income. My Social Security friend just about went balistic when I had not intended to collect Social Security yet. She quoted I was crazy not to start collecting now and explained the basics and the number crunching as to how much I would gain by starting now as opposed to waiting until I'm 661/2. So, I'm going to present this again to my financial advisor. So, we'll do the number crunching again with my collecting Social Security and see what On the card collecting front, I've done very little to it as I've been pretty busy at work the last six months just to transition my job over to another group. Hopefully this will pick up soon though. Enough rambling. Stay tuned as always, Kent G ================= To: , Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 11:45:36 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Officially Retired congrats on retirimg! re social security: you don't get the max until age 70. until then, you get a little more for every month you delay starting to collect. when to start depends on several things, including how long you expect to live, how much you need the money now, and what other income streams you may have available. for myself, age 63 almost, i am still working and earning as much as i everhave. i mostly enjoy my job and need the money, so i am going to keep working and delay collecting until i can't work anymore, or choose not to. richard d To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:07:40 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Officially Retired I would like to thank everyone who helped me with of the issues I had with my pending retiriement. Today was the first day I didn't have to get up at 4:30A to get ready for work. Very surreal indeed to sleep in and not worry about going to work. It seemed like forever to get to this point. Now I'm still trying figure what to do with my days after I got some honey-dos out of the way of course. I've had a lot of suggestions on how to schedule my days but I'm going to play it by ear. Four trips planned for this year the USBC Bowling tournamentand R&R with my family in Sacramento in Feb/Mar.; daughter's wedding in June; the National in Baltimore, and the daughter's reception in Sept. (don'task). For those who are retired I do have a question, I have a friend who works for Social Security. I told her I had retired last Friday. I had talked to her late last year that I was intending on retiring this year and had started the paperwork for Social Security. Then, my financial advisor suggested Iwait until I'm 661/2 and then collect the max. So, I had intended on doingthat and use my wife's salary plus an annuity for income. My Social Security friend just about went balistic when I had not intended to collect Social Security yet. She quoted I was crazy not to start collecting now and explained the basics and the number crunching as to how much I would gain by starting now as opposed to waiting until I'm 661/2. So, I'm going to present this again to my financial advisor. So, we'll do the number crunching again with my collecting Social Security and see what develops. On the card collecting front, I've done very little to it as I've been pretty busy at work the last six months just to transition my job over to another group. Hopefully this will pick up soon though. Enough rambling. Stay tuned as always, Kent G ================= Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2010 17:10:19 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "brightair" Subject: traveling I will be away for the next 6 weeks starting tomorrow on vacation, so I won't be able to see what mail is piling up for me at my home post office, norwill I be able to thank anyone for their mailings to me until I return in early I am bringing some dupes with me so I hope to be able to keep sending cardswhile I am soaking up sun! Richard Dingman ================= To: Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2010 19:49:08 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: 35 Responses still needed for membership continuation Thanks to all who have responded to the membership poll I sent out on Sunday, Jan 17. I've had a better than expected quick response. I still need to hear from 35 of our 122 active members. If you haven't responded, please send me an email (vrechek@ameritech.net ) as to whether or not you want to remain active in OBC. I hope you choose "Yes." Please don't reply, if you've already sent me an email or if you are inactive already. I'll send individual emails to those not responding by Thursday. I'm leaving town for 3 weeks and trying to kill this off as much as possible before the Feb 1 deadline mentioned in the 1/17 email I sent. Thanks much. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:08:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Worst trades in baseball history? For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:19:43 EST To: catfish.obc@gmail.com From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? As only a true Redleg fan will remember Frank Robinson for Milt Papas. The Orioles got a HOF triple crown winner & world championships with Robby. The Reds got, uh, well we got a mediocre pitcher at best in Milt's stint with the Reds. Much unappreciation over that one, ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:18:42 -0500 To: Jimmy Parker From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? Form a Red Sox fan perspective Ruth for $ to the Yankees Sparky Lyle for Danny Cater (Give the Sox Lyle and the might have won it all in 75,77,78) Bagwell for Anderson On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Jimmy Parker wrote: > For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst > (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. > Thanks in advance for all responses. > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > -- > Sent from my mobile device ================= To: Jimmy Parker Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:35:47 -0800 From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? As a Dodgers fan, the first that always comes to mind is the Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields trade. Honorable mention goes to the Dodgers trading gajillions of dollars for the worthless services of Kevin Brown, Darren Dreifort and Jason Schmidt. On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jimmy Parker > For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst > (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. > Thanks in advance for all responses. > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > -- > Sent from my mobile device ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:21:58 -0500 To: Geordie Calvert , From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? Around northern Ohio, bad baseball trades are a way of life....but what comes to mind is not a single trade, but a trifecta of disaster deals by the Tribe's despicable GM, Frank Lane: 06/15/58 - Cleveland trades Roger Maris to KC for Woodie Held and Vic Power. 04/12/60 - Cleveland trades Norm Cash to Detroit for Steve Demeter (not even DON Demeter, mind you....STEVE Demeter. 04/17/60 - The Final Straw - Cleveland trades Rocky Colavito to Detroit for Harvey Kuenn. Think how baseball history would have changed if these trades had not been made. I might have changed my entire outlook on life.... Of course, then the Tribe made the mistake even worse by trading Tommy John and Tommy Agee to Chicago (1965) to get Rocky back (in a complicated three team deal). John only had 286 wins left in his career, Rocky had one semi-decent year left. ---- Geordie Calvert wrote: > As a Dodgers fan, the first that always comes to mind is the Pedro > Martinez for Delino DeShields trade. Honorable mention goes to the > Dodgers trading gajillions of dollars for the worthless services of > Kevin Brown, Darren Dreifort and Jason Schmidt. > On Jan 20, 2010, at 11:08 AM, Jimmy Parker > wrote: > > For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst > > (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. > > > > Thanks in advance for all responses. > > > > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > > > > -- > > Sent from my mobile device > > ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:45:01 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Gory, bad taste cards popular with collectors? and unknown Cy Young card I got a few of these cards in a non sports lot and when I showed them to a few collectors at the card store I was amazed to find they were popular andsome collected this set. Who would be interested in these bad taste, gory cards? Also these 2 cards are small cards probably issued in England. Did Topps release these cards here? http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3968/0001battle.jpg Rather than those gory cards I really like the sticker set called Hysterical History. These have famous pictures from history with very funny captions. These Hysterical History cards are hard to find. Did the set have limiteddistribution or was it a test set? http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7365/0001hhd.jpg And as long as I am here, anyone have any information on this Cy Young cardor what set it is from? The card is blank backed. Maybe good 'ol Mike Rich, "King of the Oddballs" can help me with this one. http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6630/0001cy.jpg ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 15:48:30 -0500 To: Linda From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gory, bad taste cards popular with collectors? The Cy Young card is from a collector's set produced by "The Sport Hobbyist" a Detroit based Hobby Magazine. I think it's from the early/mid 70's. That's when I was a subscriber and got the set of those cards at that time. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Linda wrote: > I got a few of these cards in a non sports lot and when I showed them to a > few collectors at the card store I was amazed to find they were popular and > some collected this set. > Who would be interested in these bad taste, gory cards? Also these 2 cards > are small cards probably issued in England. Did Topps release these cards > here? > http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/3968/0001battle.jpg > Rather than those gory cards I really like the sticker set called > Hysterical History. These have famous pictures from history with very funny > captions. These Hysterical History cards are hard to find. Did the set have > limited distribution or was it a test set? > http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/7365/0001hhd.jpg > And as long as I am here, anyone have any information on this Cy Young card > or what set it is from? The card is blank backed. Maybe good 'ol Mike Rich, > "King of the Oddballs" can help me with this one. > http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6630/0001cy.jpg > Linda ================= To: catfish.obc@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 16:46:24 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? as a Mets fan how about Trading Nolan Ryan for Jim Frogosi Trading Scott Kasmir for Victor Zambrano On the good side of a bad trade Mets got Gary Carter for Hubie Brooks, and Mike Fitzgerald Rob "THE FIREMAN" Gioia -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Parker To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:08 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 23:32:09 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: worst trades as a Phillies fan we used to do a lot of them 1. Ferguson Jenkins for Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl 2. Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa for Ivan Dejusu Richard Labs ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 19:24:52 EST To: catfish.obc@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? Content-Language: en Rod Carew for Dave Engle, Brad Havens, Paul Hartzell, Ken Landreaux Butch Wynegar for Pete Filson, Larry Milbourne, John Pacella Johan Santana for _Delios_ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Deolis_Guerra) Guerra _Carlos_ (http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/g/gomezca01.shtml) Gomez , Philip Humber, and Kevin Mulvey Can you name any one of those player in a Twins uniform for a second season or made it through for a first In a message dated 1/20/2010 1:12:02 P.M. Central Standard Time, catfish.obc@gmail.com writes: For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 00:50:32 +0000 (UTC) To: Richard From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] worst trades How about the July 31, 1997 deal that sent Heathcliff Slocumb from the Red Sox to the /mariners for Jason Varitek and Derek Lowe T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 5:32:09 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] worst trades as a Phillies fan we used to do a lot of them 1. Ferguson Jenkins for Larry Jackson and Bob Buhl 2. Ryne Sandberg and Larry Bowa for Ivan Dejusu Richard Labs ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:34:38 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? On December 15, 1900 the Reds traded Christy Mathewson to the Giants for Amos Rusie. At the time their career records were Mathewson (0-0) and Rusie (245-173, 3.04). After the trade: Mathewson (373-188, 2.13) and Rusie (0-1, December 15, 1900: Traded by the Cincinnati Reds to the New York Giants forAmos To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: catfish.obc@gmail.com Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:08:19 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ================= Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 21:48:47 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? Mariner fans can remember Heathcliff Slocumb for Varitek and Lowe pretty On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, wrote: > as a Mets fan how about > Trading Nolan Ryan for Jim Frogosi > Trading Scott Kasmir for Victor Zambrano > On the good side of a bad trade > Mets got Gary Carter for Hubie Brooks, and Mike Fitzgerald > Rob "THE FIREMAN" Gioia > -----Original Message----- > From: Jimmy Parker > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:08 pm > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? > For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst > (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. > Thanks in advance for all responses. > Jimmy "Catfish" Parker > -- > Sent from my mobile device > ------------------------------------ > OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. > Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 02:58:08 +0000 (UTC) To: Matthew Glidden From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? How about Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr to the Expos for Pedro Martinez. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Glidden" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:48:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? Mariner fans can remember Heathcliff Slocumb for Varitek and Lowe pretty easily. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, < DaPatriot1@aol.com > wrote: as a Mets fan how about Trading Nolan Ryan for Jim Frogosi Trading Scott Kasmir for Victor Zambrano On the good side of a bad trade Mets got Gary Carter for Hubie Brooks, and Mike Fitzgerald Rob "THE FIREMAN" Gioia -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Parker < catfish.obc@gmail.com > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:08 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo ! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2010 22:00:46 -0700 From: "Marshall West" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? FRANK ROBINSON, a man who started his career playing for the Ogden Reds in Ogden, Utah, was traded at age 30 to the Orioles for pitchers Milt Pappas, Jack Baldschun and outfielder Dick Simpson. I quote: "...Robinson dazzled during his first season in Baltimore, winning the Triple Crown--most home runs (49), most runs batted in (122), and best batting average (.316)--and leading the Orioles to their first World Series win, an upset victory over Sandy Koufax and the Los Angeles Dodgers. Capturing the American League and World Series MVP that year, Robinson becamethe first player to win MVP honors in both the National and American Leagues". I don't know, but it appears to be advantage....Orioles. ----- Original Message ----- From: tvalacak@comcast.net To: Matthew Glidden Cc: obc ramblings Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? How about Carl Pavano and Tony Armas Jr to the Expos for Pedro Martinez. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew Glidden" To: "obc ramblings" Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 8:48:47 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? Mariner fans can remember Heathcliff Slocumb for Varitek and Lowe pretty easily. On Wed, Jan 20, 2010 at 4:46 PM, wrote: as a Mets fan how about Trading Nolan Ryan for Jim Frogosi Trading Scott Kasmir for Victor Zambrano On the good side of a bad trade Mets got Gary Carter for Hubie Brooks, and Mike Fitzgerald Rob "THE FIREMAN" Gioia -----Original Message----- From: Jimmy Parker To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, Jan 20, 2010 2:08 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 12:04:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tomhousley_2000" Subject: A Tipton Gem Mint 10? Looks like this card should be in OBC hands: http://pooroldbaseballcards.blogspot.com/2010/01/1909-t-206-heinie-wagner.html ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:08:21 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glk@aol.com Subject: Re:worst trades Ernie Broglio for Lou Brock ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 08:35:13 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Worst Trades update and Thank You Thanks to everyone who responded to my request for bad trades. Working in an advertising agency, I'm extremely lucky that one of my clients is the local single-A baseball team, the Greenville Drive. Our creative work recently won the National Sports Forum's Overall ADchievement award, beating out much bigger names like the Minnesota Vikings, San Francisco 49ers, Milwaukee Brewers and Oakland A's, among others ( http://sports-forum.com/adchievement/finalists/). We're starting to run an ad campaign promoting their new partial season ticket plans, and that's why I asked for your help. The client was very pleased with the idea and I can't thank everyone enough for all of their feedback. Attached is a PDF of the ads as they'll run in local newspapers. Thanks again for all your help! OBC is awesome. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= To: Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:20:20 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: Gary Thurman update Recently I mentioned that I purchased some newer cards of which included 1,512 1989 Gary Thurman cards. Well, I decided to share the "wealth" so 93 of you will be receiving your very own Gary Thurman card. Of course Gary won't be alone as he'll be traveling with 640 of his cardboard buddies. Some of you won't receive a Thurman card because of various reasons: Too tough of a list: Hattox, Keating, Morgan, and Morganti Wantlist at least 1 year old: Cipra, Cooper, Glickman, Knowles, Moore, Newcomb, Okamuro, Purdham, Robinson, Skoglund, Stahlman, Wainwright, Wiehe, Wolf, and Zurawski. Broken link: Atnip, Dejong, Domino, Mura, Stufflestreet, Summers, and Thomas. So since I still have 1419 cards left if any of the people mentioned above would like to receive your very own Gary Thurman card (and others) please direct me to a updated wantlist (that I can hit). Ken: Aren't you working on 9 copies of a newer set? The rest of you, keep on eye on your mailboxes. Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ================= To: "'Jimmy Parker'" , Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:25:47 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? I would also go with F. Robby...I'm still trying to recover from hearing of the trade way back then. Mind you, I have still not healed from 1961, when I sent Frank his Topps card and asked him to autograph it for me...never saw it again. Old memories die hard, if at all. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jimmy Parker Sent: January 20, 2010 11:08 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades in baseball history? For a project at work, I'm wondering what are some of the worst (lopsided) trades in the history of the game. Thanks in advance for all responses. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker Sent from my mobile device No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 270.14.150/2632 - Release Date: 01/20/10 ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:06:54 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Some amazing baseball graphics Heads up to check out this guy's wonderful ensemble of unusual baseball http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/index.html My favorite is batter orientation across ballparks. http://www.flipflopflyin.com/flipflopflyball/info-orientation.html ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:23:40 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Haiti fundraiser (starting Sunday) Thanks to other OBCers for notes of support on auctioning sets for a Haitian donation. Money raised will go to the International Red Cross, designated for Haiti. (As a bonus, my workplace offers matching contributions, so we'll effectively double anything collected.) My current plan is four OBC-grade sets: 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970. Enough people asked to bid that I'll stick within OBC, unless we get another groundswell requesting otherwise. I plan to start Sunday by posting some scans of the "big" cards, sending a note with the 4 sets, and accept bids for a week. Let me know if you have any questions or need details! ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:27:20 -0500 From: directorth@aol.com Subject: Re:worst trades How about Lou Brock for Ernie Broglio? As a Reds fan, I have to echo the Matty-for-Rusie and Robby-for-Pappas-and-a-used-resin-bag trade, but in my adolescence, the worst trade was Tony Perez to the Expos for 2 pieces of crap - Woodie Fryman and Dale Murray. Or, in the long run for the Tigers, how about trading John Smoltz for DoyleAlexander? It got them one championship, but how many did it cost them by not having Smoltz? For my northern Ohio brethren, let's not forget 2 different swaps with the Yankees, sending Craig Nettles and Chris Chambliss to the Big Apple. Or the KC A's trading Roger Maris to the Yankees (not a long-term-implications deal, but still...). Seems the A's were just a western farm team to theYanks back in the 50's. Fascinating - and seemingly endlessly debatable - topic! ================= Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 17:43:31 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Subject: Worst Trades in Baseball History There have always been a few things that truly amazed me about the Tigers acquiring Norm Cash for Steve Demeter and Rocky Colavito for Harvey Kuenn from the Indians. 1. The two trades took place five days apart near the end of spring training in 1960. Frank Lane got fleeced not once, but twice in five days. Ouch! Do you think the Tigers GM was thinking that hey, we fleeced Lane and got Cash. Do you think we could get him to bite on Colavito for Kuenn. 3. Steve Demeter had a grand total of five at bats in the major leagues following the trade. All were with the Indians in 1960. He failed to get a hit. 4. Norm Cash was the Tigers first baseman through 1974 and had 374 home runs as a Tiger in just over 6700 at bats. 5. Steve Demeter wasn't a total washout. In fact he's a Hall of Famer. Steve had almost 8500 at bats and 2455 hits in 19 seasons and played through1972 all in the minors. I take that back. Steve never got another at bat in the majors after 1960. Oh, and that Hall of Fame, is the International League Hall of Fame. Steve Demeter was a total washout. 6. Rocky Colavito lead the AL in home runs in 1959 and was fourth in voting for MVP and 25 years old. 7. Harvey Kuenn hit a lot of singles. Harvey hit more than 10 home runs in a season just once. 8. Rocky Colavito was an immediate fan favorite in Detroit following the trade. Rocky hit lots of home runs and most of the guys on my little league team stretched with bat behind the head, just like Rocky. I am sure Rocky was more popular with us kids than Al Kaline. When leaving Cleveland, Rocky was quoted as saying the Indians traded steak and got hamburger. 9. Harvey Kuenn was not popular in Cleveland, even though he has his usual lots of singles season for the Indians in 1960. He was traded to the Giants before the 1961 season. 10. And maybe most amazingly, Rocky remains a baseball hero yet today. Not in Detroit, where he is seldom heard from, but indeed Rocky is still a hero in Cleveland with the Indians fans. I never mean to speak poorly of the Indians or the great people of Cleveland. I am treated well every time I visit and Cleveland fans are the best. It wasn't too many years ago that when the Indians played in Detroit, there were more Indians fans at the stadium than Tigers fans. The Tigers have also made their share of bad trades. John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander and Jair Jurggens and Gorkys Hernandez for one season of Edgar Renteria. The Tigers also extended Dontrelle Willlis' contract for around $30 million so the Tigers are far from perfect. ================= To: "'Ron Perry'" , Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 18:17:30 -0800 From: "Grant Rainsley" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst Trades in Baseball History And Ron, one other little known fact about Harvey Kuenn....he was the Best Man at Billy and Marjorie Hoeft's wedding in 1953. Now THAT is good stuff to From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ron Perry Sent: January 21, 2010 5:44 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst Trades in Baseball History There have always been a few things that truly amazed me about the Tigers acquiring Norm Cash for Steve Demeter and Rocky Colavito for Harvey Kuenn from the Indians. 1. The two trades took place five days apart near the end of spring training in 1960. Frank Lane got fleeced not once, but twice in five days. Ouch! Do you think the Tigers GM was thinking that hey, we fleeced Lane and got Cash. Do you think we could get him to bite on Colavito for Kuenn. 3. Steve Demeter had a grand total of five at bats in the major leagues following the trade. All were with the Indians in 1960. He failed to get a 4. Norm Cash was the Tigers first baseman through 1974 and had 374 home runs as a Tiger in just over 6700 at bats. 5. Steve Demeter wasn't a total washout. In fact he's a Hall of Famer. Steve had almost 8500 at bats and 2455 hits in 19 seasons and played through1972 all in the minors. I take that back. Steve never got another at bat in the majors after 1960. Oh, and that Hall of Fame, is the International League Hall of Fame. Steve Demeter was a total washout. 6. Rocky Colavito lead the AL in home runs in 1959 and was fourth in voting for MVP and 25 years old. 7. Harvey Kuenn hit a lot of singles. Harvey hit more than 10 home runs in a season just once. 8. Rocky Colavito was an immediate fan favorite in Detroit following the trade. Rocky hit lots of home runs and most of the guys on my little league team stretched with bat behind the head, just like Rocky. I am sure Rocky was more popular with us kids than Al Kaline. When leaving Cleveland, Rocky was quoted as saying the Indians traded steak and got hamburger. 9. Harvey Kuenn was not popular in Cleveland, even though he has his usual lots of singles season for the Indians in 1960. He was traded to the Giants before the 1961 season. 10. And maybe most amazingly, Rocky remains a baseball hero yet today. Not in Detroit, where he is seldom heard from, but indeed Rocky is still a hero in Cleveland with the Indians fans. I never mean to speak poorly of the Indians or the great people of Cleveland. I am treated well every time I visit and Cleveland fans are the best. It wasn't too many years ago that when the Indians played in Detroit, there were more Indians fans at the stadium than Tigers fans. The Tigers have also made their share of bad trades. John Smoltz for Doyle Alexander and Jair Jurggens and Gorkys Hernandez for one season of Edgar Renteria. The Tigers also extended Dontrelle Willlis' contract for around $30 million so the Tigers are far from perfect. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.730 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2637 - Release Date: 01/21/10 ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 01:47:41 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Worst trades Hey guys, Whenever this topic is discusssed (both here and on other lists that I'm on), inevitably the Doyle Alexander/John Smoltz trade is brought up. It's way too easy to call this a bad trade in hindsight, but to be honest Iwouldn't consider it so. "Worst trade", to me, is where one team obviouslyand blatantly has fleeced the other usually due to the stupidity of a GM/owner who over/under values a player, or in more recent times makes moves based on finances rather than skill. The Alexander/Smoltz trade doesn't fall into either of these categories. To understand the trade, you've got to look at the situation as it stood in 1987, NOT at Smoltz or Alexander's careeror peak value. In 1987, the Tigers were in contention for the AL East title, but felt they needed one more veteran starter to help them out down the stretch.OnAugust 12th, they picked up Doyle Alexander from the Braves in exchange for John Smoltz, a AA pitcher who had beendrafted 2 years previous in the 22nd round. At the time, Smoltz sported a record of 4-10, an ERA of 5.61, and a WHIP of 1.61 in 21 starts for Glen Falls.He was projected as a "C" or at best a "B-" prospect. Alexander went 9-0/1.53 in 11 starts down the stretch for Detroit, and played a major part in winning the AL East title. It wasn't until the NEXT season that Smoltz began to show some promise, going 10-5 for AAA Richmond before a July call-up from which time he established himself on the major league roster. Smoltz' success was,I believe, down to the Braves organisation's superior coaching of pitchers which at that time was far in excess of just about every other major league team. In summary, the Tigers got precisely what they needed from the deal, a stater who took them over the top for the '87 AL East pennant. The Braves got araw young pitcher who they were able to mold into a gem. Good for them, and good for John Smoltz, but given what was known about the 2 players AT THETIME, I'd be fairly certain that the vast majority of you - if placed in the position of Tigers GM - would have pulled the trigger on the same deal in a heartbeat. Now, if you want to talk about a real steal of a deal, I always go back to the October 1970 trade between the Tigers and the Senators, which saw DennyMcLain, Don Wert, Elliott Maddox and Norm McRae go to Washington in exchange for Joe Coleman, Aurelio Rodriguez, Ed Brinkman, and Jim Hannan. McLain lost 22 games in 1971, while Wert retired after only 20 games and a grand total of 2 hits in 40AB. Only Maddox went on to have a servicable major league career, although notably NOT with the Senators franchise. In the meantime, Joe Coleman became a mainstay of the Tigers starting rotation, winning 62 games over the course of the next 3 seasons backed up by gold glove defense from the left side of the infield- namely Brinkman and Rodriguez. Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:28:39 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades I'm all in. Alexander for Smoltz was exactly what the Tiggs needed at the time. The Tigers got their division title, and the Braves got the future that they give Alexander up for. Meanwhile, the McLain trade was a total steal of a deal. Ultimately, in the end, Washington wound up with nothing from the deal, while the Tigers ended up with a horse of a starting pitcher, and a mainstay left side of the infield, for many, many years. No, that trade was not in the same league asthe Boston / Wanks Babe Ruth trade, but it was indeed, and epic steal of adeal. ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 2:47 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades Hey guys, Whenever this topic is discusssed (both here and on other lists that I'm on), inevitably the Doyle Alexander/John Smoltz trade is brought up. It's way too easy to call this a bad trade in hindsight, but to be honest Iwouldn't consider it so. "Worst trade", to me, is where one team obviouslyand blatantly has fleeced the other usually due to the stupidity of a GM/owner who over/under values a player, or in more recent times makes moves based on finances rather than skill. The Alexander/Smoltz trade doesn't fall into either of these categories. To understand the trade, you've got to look at the situation as it stood in 1987, NOT at Smoltz or Alexander's careeror peak value. In 1987, the Tigers were in contention for the AL East title, but felt they needed one more veteran starter to help them out down the stretch. On August 12th, they picked up Doyle Alexander from the Braves in exchange for John Smoltz, a AA pitcher who had been drafted 2 years previous in the 22nd round. At the time, Smoltz sported a record of 4-10, an ERA of 5.61, and a WHIP of 1.61 in 21 starts for Glen Falls. He was projected as a "C" or at best a "B-" prospect. Alexander went 9-0/1.53 in 11 starts down the stretch for Detroit, and played a major part in winning the AL East title. It wasn't until the NEXT season that Smoltz began to show some promise, going 10-5 for AAA Richmond before a July call-up from which time he established himself on the major league roster. Smoltz' success was, I believe, down to the Braves organisation'ssuperior coaching of pitchers which at that time was far in excess of justabout every other major league team. In summary, the Tigers got precisely what they needed from the deal, a stater who took them over the top for the '87 AL East pennant. The Braves got araw young pitcher who they were able to mold into a gem. Good for them, and good for John Smoltz, but given what was known about the 2 players AT THETIME, I'd be fairly certain that the vast majority of you - if placed in the position of Tigers GM - would have pulled the trigger on the same deal in a heartbeat. Now, if you want to talk about a real steal of a deal, I always go back to the October 1970 trade between the Tigers and the Senators, which saw DennyMcLain, Don Wert, Elliott Maddox and Norm McRae go to Washington in exchange for Joe Coleman, Aurelio Rodriguez, Ed Brinkman, and Jim Hannan. McLain lost 22 games in 1971, while Wert retired after only 20 games and a grand total of 2 hits in 40AB. Only Maddox went on to have a servicable major league career, although notably NOT with the Senators franchise. In the meantime, Joe Coleman became a mainstay of the Tigers starting rotation, winning 62 games over the course of the next 3 seasons backed up by gold glove defense from the left side of the infield - namely Brinkman and Rodriguez. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:29:09 -0500 To: Glenn Codere From: Jimmy Parker Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades The client actually brought this point up during the presentation. And we wholeheartedly agreed. But as is often the case with ads we do for them, we're seldom talking to hardcore baseball fans (much to my chagrin) but a much larger audience. Seeing as how we're only a little under 2 hours away from Atlanta, this is pretty much Braves country (the old team actually was the Greenville Braves), so we decided that most people, in the context of the ad, would consider Doyle for John a bad trade. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Glenn Codere wrote: > Hey guys, > Whenever this topic is discusssed (both here and on other lists > that I'm on), inevitably the Doyle Alexander/John Smoltz trade is > brought up. > It's way too easy to call this a bad trade in hindsight, but to be > honest I wouldn't consider it so. "Worst trade", to me, is where > one team obviously and blatantly has fleeced the other usually due > to the stupidity of a GM/owner who over/under values a player, or > in more recent times makes moves based on finances rather than > skill. The Alexander/Smoltz trade doesn't fall into either of these > categories. To understand the trade, you've got to look at the > situation as it stood in 1987, NOT at Smoltz or Alexander's career > or peak value. > In 1987, the Tigers were in contention for the AL East title, but > felt they needed one more veteran starter to help them out down the > stretch. On August 12th, they picked up Doyle Alexander from the > Braves in exchange for John Smoltz, a AA pitcher who had been > drafted 2 years previous in the 22nd round. At the time, Smoltz > sported a record of 4-10, an ERA of 5.61, and a WHIP of 1.61 in 21 > starts for Glen Falls. He was projected as a "C" or at best a "B-" > prospect. > Alexander went 9-0/1.53 in 11 starts down the stretch for Detroit, > and played a major part in winning the AL East title. It wasn't > until the NEXT season that Smoltz began to show some promise, going > 10-5 for AAA Richmond before a July call-up from which time he > established himself on the major league roster. Smoltz' success > was, I believe, down to the Braves organisation's superior coaching > of pitchers which at that time was far in excess of just about > every other major league team. > In summary, the Tigers got precisely what they needed from the > deal, a stater who took them over the top for the '87 AL East > pennant. The Braves got a raw young pitcher who they were able to > mold into a gem. Good for them, and good for John Smoltz, but given > what was known about the 2 players AT THE TIME, I'd be fairly > certain that the vast majority of you - if placed in the position > of Tigers GM - would have pulled the trigger on the same deal in a > heartbeat. > Now, if you want to talk about a real steal of a deal, I always go > back to the October 1970 trade between the Tigers and the Senators, > which saw Denny McLain, Don Wert, Elliott Maddox and Norm McRae go > to Washington in exchange for Joe Coleman, Aurelio Rodriguez, Ed > Brinkman, and Jim Hannan. McLain lost 22 games in 1971, while Wert > retired after only 20 games and a grand total of 2 hits in 40AB. > Only Maddox went on to have a servicable major league career, > although notably NOT with the Senators franchise. In the meantime, > Joe Coleman became a mainstay of the Tigers starting rotation, > winning 62 games over the course of the next 3 seasons backed up by > gold glove defense from the left side of the infield - namely > Brinkman and Rodriguez. > Glenn > Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music > Glenn's Sports Collection Want List Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:09:14 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: CALIFORNIA Hey all, This email is for all of my OBC friends on the west coat I.E. California. I am taking my 2 sons out to California in February. we will be in town Aneheim from 2/14-2/19 drop me an email if anyone wants to have a mini meeting and if its ok to bring my boys...Let me know. Days will be tough we will be doing sight seeing and amusement parks. Drop me an email Rob Gioia ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:18:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: 100 card low grade 52 topps lot on ebay ebay # 120519023409 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?VISuperSize&item120519023409 Bid quick though, closes in 7 hours 45 minutes. ================= To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:17:17 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: my first show in a while The stars have finally aligned for me to make it to a card show this weekend. I will be going to the one in Raleigh, NC (~2.5 hrs away) tomorrow. What I need are tips on how to shop effectively. Last time I went with the intention of focusing on my 62T list only to find a good deal on some 59s (which I wasn't working on at the time). I tend to migrate to what I perceive to be a good deal vs. meeting a goal. Take a look at my list and providecoaching on what I should be focusing on tomorrow. I always look for the 75T minis, don't need many (11), and seldom see any. Without your coaching, I may end up buying a bunch of Beanie Baby Cards. I'm not really that bad but I am terrible on making progress on my sets. Give me some goals on how to stretch a dollar and enhance my collection. Mark Holland http://pwp.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid238023&ck ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 11:17:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: National question Can anyone tell me where the 2011 National is due to be held? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:19:58 EST To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National question Content-Language: en i believe it will be back in chicago In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:18:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com writes: Can anyone tell me where the 2011 National is due to be held? _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection Want List_ (http://coderescotland.byethost13.com/) ================= To: Mandell , Glenn Codere , OBC Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:47:29 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] National question Gary's correct. According to the website here's the schedule for the near future: 2010 - Baltimore Convention Center Baltimore MD 2011 - Donald E Stephens Convention Center Rosemont IL 2012 - International Exposition (I-X) Center - Cleveland, OH 2013 - Donald E Stephens Convention Center Rosemont IL 2014 - TBD 2015 - Donald E Stephens Convention Center Rosemont IL http://www.nsccshow.com/about.shtml To: glenncodere@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:19:58 -0500 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] National question i believe it will be back in chicago In a message dated 1/22/2010 1:18:16 P.M. Central Standard Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com Can anyone tell me where the 2011 National is due to be held? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ================= To: Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 16:27:52 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Vrechek email FYI I'll be out of email touch just this next week for anyone looking to contact George Vrechek ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 21:48:02 -0800 From: marcpeter@juno.com Subject: 1934 All Star game Hello guys (and gal), I have been working hard to find some information that I can not latch on to - at least not in the kind of on-line searches I know how to do... Can any of you tell me, or point me in the right direction to find out the STARTING TIME of the 1934 All Star Game?? I can find how long the game took to play and the date and many details about the action - but not the actual starting time... My guess is around 3:00 - since it was played on a Tuesday (July 10, 1934) and I think they would want some of the working adults to leave work early to come and watch - but I can not confirm or deny that... Any help from the OBC Brain Trust would be most appreciated...! Peter / marcpeter ================= To: "Glenn Codere" , Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 23:18:39 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades I'll always back the Tiggs for trading for their championship that year, but I STILL harbor anger for giving up Smoltz. ...and NOW, they've given up Jair for the one year, failed rental, Runteria. I think the Braves have the Tigers number. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jimmy Parker To: Glenn Codere Cc: OBC Ramblings Sent: Friday, January 22, 2010 4:29 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Worst trades The client actually brought this point up during the presentation. And we wholeheartedly agreed. But as is often the case with ads we do for them, we're seldom talking to hardcore baseball fans (much to my chagrin) but a muchlarger audience. Seeing as how we're only a little under 2 hours away fromAtlanta, this is pretty much Braves country (the old team actually was theGreenville Braves), so we decided that most people, in the context of the ad, would consider Doyle for John a bad trade. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! On Jan 22, 2010, at 4:47 AM, Glenn Codere wrote: Hey guys, Whenever this topic is discusssed (both here and on other lists that I'm on), inevitably the Doyle Alexander/John Smoltz trade is brought up. It's way too easy to call this a bad trade in hindsight, but to be honestI wouldn't consider it so. "Worst trade", to me, is where one team obviously and blatantly has fleeced the other usually due to the stupidity of a GM/owner who over/under values a player, or in more recent times makes moves based on finances rather than skill. The Alexander/Smoltz trade doesn't fall into either of these categories. To understand the trade, you've got to look at the situation as it stood in 1987, NOT at Smoltz or Alexander's career or peak value. In 1987, the Tigers were in contention for the AL East title, but felt they needed one more veteran starter to help them out down the stretch. On A! ugust 12th, they picked up Doyle Alexander from the Braves in exchange for John Smoltz, a AA pitcher who had been drafted 2 years previous in the 22nd round. At the time, Smoltz sported a record of 4-10, an ERA of 5.61, anda WHIP of 1.61 in 21 starts for Glen Falls. He was projected as a "C" or at best a "B-" prospect. Alexander went 9-0/1.53 in 11 starts down the stretch for Detroit, and played a major part in winning the AL East title. It wasn't until the NEXT season that Smoltz began to show some promise, going 10-5 for AAA Richmond before a July call-up from which time he established himself on the major league roster. Smoltz' success was, I believe, down to the Braves organisation's superior coaching of pitchers which at that time was far in excess of just about every other major league team. In summary, the Tigers got precisely what they needed from the deal, a stater who took them over the top for the '87 AL East pennant. The Braves gota raw young pitcher w! ho they were able to mold into a gem. Good for them, and good for John Smoltz, but given what was known about the 2 players ATTHE TIME, I'd be fairly certain that the vast majority of you - if placed in the position of Tigers GM - would have pulled the trigger on the same deal in a heartbeat. Now, if you want to talk about a real steal of a deal, I always go back to the October 1970 trade between the Tigers and the Senators, which saw Denny McLain, Don Wert, Elliott Maddox and Norm McRae go to Washington in exchange for Joe Coleman, Aurelio Rodriguez, Ed Brinkman, and Jim Hannan. McLain lost 22 games in 1971, while Wert retired after only 20 games and a grandtotal of 2 hits in 40AB. Only Maddox went on to have a servicable major league career, although notably NOT with the Senators franchise. In the meantime, Joe Coleman became a mainstay of the Tigers starting rotation, winning62 games over the course of the next 3 seasons backed up by gold ! glove defense from the left side of the infield - namely Brinkman and Rodriguez. Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Sav! e the gum for me! ================= To: marcpeter@juno.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 01:26:44 -0500 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 All Star game According to baseball-reference.com the game time was 2:44 pm http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NLS/NLS193407100.shtml Hope this helps, PS You still tending bar at that little spot near my parents? -----Original Message----- From: marcpeter@juno.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Fri, Jan 22, 2010 9:48 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1934 All Star game Hello guys (and gal), I have been working hard to find some information that I can not latch on to - at least not in the kind of on-line searches I know how to do... Can any of you tell me, or point me in the right direction to find out the STARTING TIME of the 1934 All Star Game?? I can find how long the game took to play and the date and many details about the action - but not the actual starting time... My guess is around 3:00 - since it was played on a Tuesday (July 10, 1934) and I think they would want some of the working adults to leave work early to come and watch - but I can not confirm or deny that... Any help from the OBC Brain Trust would be most appreciated...! Peter / marcpeter OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 12:48:59 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: I guess y'all heard about this one.... It was in my morning paper, but I see that Grant Desme has decided to give up his MLB potential career and enter the seminary to see about becoming a priest. I think it's an uplifting story! Of course, I might be a little biased in the boy's favor! LOL http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id4849432 Many have said it is a great waste to give up his career and the money he could make to become a priest, but I think's it's a great story. For as much as we love baseball here in OBC, I figure y'all might enjoy the story. Father Pat Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 19:03:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: 1952 TOPPS I WAS GOING THRU MY 52'S TODAY LISTING MY BACKS FROM 1-80 RED OR BLACK AND I NOTICED SOMETHING ON THE BACK OF #20 BILLY LOES. BILLY ONE OF THE CARDS IJUST SOAKED THE THREADS ON THE BASEBALL NUMBER ARE ON THE SIDES AND ALL THE OTHER CARDS ARE TOP AND BOTTOM. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF ALL BILLY'S ARE THIS WAY OR DO I HAVE A VARIATION. RICK ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:07:01 EST To: rrrlyons@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 TOPPS Both my red and black backs have the threads on the sides for Loes... ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:24:08 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: SCP Auctions I have just gone through the latest SCP Auction catalog. I would encourage any of you to ask for a copy of this beautiful catalog of cards, bats, balls, and memorabilia from SCP Auctions. There is very little that any of us can afford to bid on, but the pictures are beautiful and the items are unbelievable. Just don't spoil the artwork by drooling too much!!! If you don't want to try to obtain the catalog, and least scan through the auction items on their website... ================= To: Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 17:33:44 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Waiver Wire I went to a card show today and picked up some goodies to share. This waiver wire will end tomorrow @ 6PM eastern time. That should give everyone a chance to claim. First priority is to those that I owe. Claim multiples. Waiver Wire: 59T - 111 60T - 38 61T - 33 62T - 516(marked), 548 (bought 2 of them only needed 1, not a bad card) 75T minis - 126 (unmarked, miscut), 185 Carlton (filler)., 253, 442, 485 Mark Holland http://pwp.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep87&subpageid238023&ck ================= Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 14:54:23 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, rrrlyons From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 TOPPS Same with mine, on the sides. John Stamper --- On Sat, 1/23/10, rrrlyons wrote: From: rrrlyons Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 TOPPS To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 11:03 AM I WAS GOING THRU MY 52'S TODAY LISTING MY BACKS FROM 1-80 RED OR BLACK AND I NOTICED SOMETHING ON THE BACK OF #20 BILLY LOES. BILLY ONE OF THE CARDS IJUST SOAKED THE THREADS ON THE BASEBALL NUMBER ARE ON THE SIDES AND ALL THE OTHER CARDS ARE TOP AND BOTTOM. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF ALL BILLY'S ARE THIS WAY OR DO I HAVE A VARIATION. RICK ================= To: OBC-Ramblings Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 20:57:49 -0500 From: Joe Isaac Subject: Another article added to the OBC library George Vrechek was kind enough to share with us another article of his, this time on the early correspondence of the hobby. The prices mentioned are staggeringly low - how about $1 for the 1953 Topps high series plus postageor $0.50 for each 1952 Topps high? Thanks a bunch George! Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ================= To: , Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 23:40:12 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 TOPPS I have a black back Loes #20 and the threads are on the sides! clearly this is the rare, more valuable variation :) ----- Original Message ----- From: rrrlyons To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 2:03 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 TOPPS I WAS GOING THRU MY 52'S TODAY LISTING MY BACKS FROM 1-80 RED OR BLACK AND I NOTICED SOMETHING ON THE BACK OF #20 BILLY LOES. BILLY ONE OF THE CARDSI JUST SOAKED THE THREADS ON THE BASEBALL NUMBER ARE ON THE SIDES AND ALL THE OTHER CARDS ARE TOP AND BOTTOM. DOES ANYONE KNOW IF ALL BILLY'S ARE THIS WAY OR DO I HAVE A VARIATION. RICK ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 03:16:52 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Legendary Pics! OBCers -- My wife sent along a bunch of my mail this week, and buried in there was a Legendary Auctions catalog of old photos - here's the link: http://legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx I wish I would have seen it before the auction closed, as there were four different Dick Hoblitzell's in there. I've downloaded the pictures and will make them into a screensaver or something when I get home...maybe print them out on nice paper and frame them. Anyway, it's a great reference for you pre-WWI collectors, as there are a ton of pics from your cardboard heroes. You'll recognize some of the poses, especially the head shots thatmade their way onto T205s. Not long until March...I can't wait to get home for a pizza and beer! Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 18:33:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tomhousley_2000" Subject: 55 Bowman variations available Hi gang, Posting this on both the Ramblings & WL servers. I picked up 1 each of the following '55 Bowman: 195 Palica with "Sent to Baltimore..." line 195 Palica without "Sent to..." line 112 Kuenn "Kueen" on back If you need 'em, let me know. Priority to guys I owe, and/or anyone who mayneed just one to kill a set. Don't be shy, speak up - I picked these up with the intention of spreading them around OBC-land. I'll give it a couple of days for all interested parties to get back to me. Tom Housley ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 12:43:47 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Legendary Pics! Why I will never make it as a poet: Mr. Wagner, As the kids say...O.M.G. !! These pictures are a must-see! Thanks so much for sharing Geno! So many players that we- know We are all glad to hear that Pizza and Beer are near No matter what the weather It's OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 3:16 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Legendary Pics! OBCers -- My wife sent along a bunch of my mail this week, and buried in there was a Legendary Auctions catalog of old photos - here's the link: http://legendaryauctions.com/catalog.aspx I wish I would have seen it before the auction closed, as there were fourdifferent Dick Hoblitzell's in there. I've downloaded the pictures and will make them into a screensaver or something when I get home...maybe print them out on nice paper and frame them. Anyway, it's a great reference for you pre-WWI collectors, as there are a ton of pics from your cardboard heroes. You'll recognize some of the poses, especially the head shots that made their way onto T205s. Not long until March...I can't wait to get home for a pizza and beer! Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:30:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Raymond" Subject: Question on football variations I think it is the 1972 Topps set in football that have some variation. I remember having Tom H that I was his Secret Santa on year and was looking for a horizontal and vertical cards of the same player or ones that had one or two astericks. Is there a site that can tell me what sets have the variations Thanks for the help. ================= To: Ray Luurs , OBC Ramblings Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 19:27:30 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on football variations It's the 1974 set with the variations. There was a game called Pro Draft that including various 1974 cards that look identical to the Topps cards forthe most part. There were a few cards that had different poses. I'm sureTom H can fill you in on all the details. Here's a link that should help as well: http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic698&modelinear To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:30:11 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on football variations I think it is the 1972 Topps set in football that have some variation. I remember having Tom H that I was his Secret Santa on year and was looking fora horizontal and vertical cards of the same player or ones that had one ortwo astericks. Is there a site that can tell me what sets have the variations Thanks for the help. Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:55:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tomhousley_2000" Subject: Re: Question on football variations Ray, Bob, and everyone else, The game Pro Draft was made by Parker Brothers (and that's what the listingis under in the one old guide I have.) Bob is right; the link gives some good information. Here's more: Some of the 1974 Parker Bros. cards have "1973 Season" & actual 1973 numbers for stats, while others have "1972 Season" & the corresponding 1972 stats. (I'm a little fuzzy on that one; now I can't remember if "1973" was the Topps version & "1972" the PB version, or if they were mixed & matched. Guess I have to pull out my set.) There some other differences; Norm Snead, Bob Windsor (and I think Charley Johnson, maybe one or two others) are pictured in their regular Topps cardsas horizontal photos, but they have vertical poses for the Parker Bros. cards. A couple of the guys (I know Tom Mack is one) have a large "All-Pro" banner on the regular issue; that banner isn't on the Parker Bros. cards. (FYI, ther reason they were all vertical was b/c the game had two plastic stands arranged to resemble an offensive line, and you inserted the cards intothe slots. I still have my game in my parent's attic!) The #49 Windsor card comes in 3 variations: horizontal with "1973 season" with one asterisk (Topps regular issue), vertical with "1972 Season" & 2 asterisks, and "1973 Season" with one asterisk. I don't know if the 2 vertical cards were both PB, or if one of them was a 74 Topps variation. My guess is the vertical "1973 Season" card is a Topps variation, instead of a PB, but that's a guess based on the identical backs. I know they exist b/c I have all three. On the variation topic, the 73 & 74 team checklists (Topps) come in both one and two asterisk versions, just like the baseball red & blue bastards of the same years. So if you're chasing variations, you need two of each. At least on the 1973 team checklists, the copyright & asterisks are on the front, so if you're hunting on eBay you can tell which variation it is merely by looking at a scan of the front. I've also seen - I think it was the 73 team checklists - variations that have an ad either on the bottom or the back(been a while); could these have been sent as a mail-in only version? Guess I should have picked them up when I saw them. Finally (I hope), the 1973 checklist 1 card (number 68) comes in both one and two asterisk versions (I have both). So far I haven't found any variations on the other checklist cards (224, 358, & 498), but what's stange is my #224 has two asterisks, 358 has one, and 498 has two. If anyone can prove or disprove that there are variations to those checklists - help! I can dig out my 74 set (or the guide) & send along a checklist of the PB cards if you want. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Bob Reed wrote: > Ray, > It's the 1974 set with the variations. There was a game called Pro Draftthat including various 1974 cards that look identical to the Topps cards for the most part. There were a few cards that had different poses. I'm sure Tom H can fill you in on all the details. > Here's a link that should help as well: > http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic698&modelinear > -Bob > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: LUURSCJG@... > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:30:11 +0000 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on football variations > I think it is the 1972 Topps set in football that have some variation. I remember having Tom H that I was his Secret Santa on year and was looking for a horizontal and vertical cards of the same player or ones that had one or two astericks. Is there a site that can tell me what sets have the variations > Thanks for the help. > Ray > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ================= To: luurscjg@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 20:31:32 -0500 From: directorth@aol.com Subject: 1974 Topps & Parker Brothers FB updated info Pulled out the 1974 set & the guide. Other cards beside #49 Windsor have thee 126 Tom Mack has the Topps issue (All Pro banner), vertical pose with one *and vertical pose with **. 124 Forrest Blue All Pro banner, vertical pose with one * with "1972 Season" and vertical pose with "1973 Season" and two ** 116 Charlie Johnson horizontal (Topps), vertical pose with one * with "1972Season" and vertical pose with "1973 Season" and two ** 49 Bob Windosr horizontal (Topps), vertical pose with one * with "1972 Season" and vertical pose with "1973 Season" and two ** OK, here's the info - from an an SCD football guide: Quoing from the SCD: These 50 cards were included inside a Parker Brothers game called Pro Draft. The cards, featuring only offensive players were produced by Topps and use the identical design as the 1974 Topp set. However, some differences can be noted on certain cards. Some of the game cards have 1972 statistics on the card backs, and others have different player poses on the front (#'s 23,49, 116, 124, 126 & 127). Players with an * have 1972 statistics (note - this is wrong. Cards with "1972 Season" have 2 asterisks. Offensive line players who don't have stats either have * (Topps) or ** (PB) Therefore all numbers below - the PB cards - have two asterisks except for the possible additional variations listed at the top of the e-mail). Card numbers in this set are identical to the card numbers the players have in the regular 1974 Topps 4 Ken Bowman 6 Jerry Smith 7 Ed Podolak 9 Pat Matson 11 Frank Pitts 15 Winston Hill 18 Rich Coady 19 Ken Willard 21 Ben Hawkins 23 Norm Snead (vertical pose) 24 Jim Yarborough 28 Bob Hayes 32 Dan Dierdorf 35 Essex Johnson 39 Mike Siani 42 Del Williams 43 Don McCauley 44 Randy Jackson 46 Gene Washington 49 Bob Windsor (vertical pose) 50 John Hadl 52 Steve Owens 54 Rayfield Wright 57 Milt Sunde 58 Bill Kilmer 61 Rufus Mayes 63 Gene Washington (there were 2 Gene Washingtons in the NFL) 65 Eugene Upshaw 75 Fred Willis 77 Tom Neville 78 Ted Kwalick 80 John Niland 81 Ted Fritsch Jr. 83 Jack Snow 87 Mike Phipps 90 MacArthur Lane 95 Calvin Hill 98 Len Rohde 101 Gary Garrison 103 Len St. John 107 Jim MItchell 109 Harry Schuh 110 Gregg Pruitt 111 Ed Flanagan 113 Chuck Foreman 116 Charlie Johnson (vertical pose) 119 Roy Jefferson 124 Forrest Blue (no All-Pro banner on card) 126 Tom Mack (no All-Pro banner on card) 127 Bob Tucker (no All-Pro banner on card) -----Original Message----- From: luurscjg@aol.com To: directorth@aol.com Sent: Sun, Jan 24, 2010 7:58 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Question on football variations any help is appreciated In a message dated 1/24/2010 6:56:06 P.M. Central Standard Time, directorth@aol.com Ray, Bob, and everyone else, The game Pro Draft was made by Parker Brothers (and that's what the listingis under in the one old guide I have.) Bob is right; the link gives some good information. Here's more: Some of the 1974 Parker Bros. cards have "1973 Season" & actual 1973 numbers for stats, while others have "1972 Season" & the corresponding 1972 stats. (I'm a little fuzzy on that one; now I can't remember if "1973" was the Topps version & "1972" the PB version, or if they were mixed & matched. Guess I have to pull out my set.) There some other differences; Norm Snead, Bob Windsor (and I think Charley Johnson, maybe one or two others) are pictured in their regular Topps cardsas horizontal photos, but they have vertical poses for the Parker Bros. cards. A couple of the guys (I know Tom Mack is one) have a large "All-Pro" banner on the regular issue; that banner isn't on the Parker Bros. cards. (FYI, ther reason they were all vertical was b/c the game had two plastic stands arranged to resemble an offensive line, and you inserted the cards intothe slots. I still have my game in my parent's attic!) The #49 Windsor card comes in 3 variations: horizontal with "1973 season" with one asterisk (Topps regular issue), vertical with "1972 Season" & 2 asterisks, and "1973 Season" with one asterisk. I don't know if the 2 verticalcards were both PB, or if one of them was a 74 Topps variation. My guess is the vertical "1973 Season" card is a Topps variation, instead of a PB, but that's a guess based on the identical backs. I know they exist b/c I haveall On the variation topic, the 73 & 74 team checklists (Topps) come in both one and two asterisk versions, just like the baseball red & blue bastards of the same years. So if you're chasing variations, you need two of each. At least on the 1973 team checklists, the copyright & asterisks are on the front, so if you're hunting on eBay you can tell which variation it is merely by looking at a scan of the front. I've also seen - I think it was the 73 team checklists - variations that have an ad either on the bottom or the back(been a while); could these have been sent as a mail-in only version? Guess I should have picked them up when I saw them. Finally (I hope), the 1973 checklist 1 card (number 68) comes in both one and two asterisk versions (I have both). So far I haven't found any variations on the other checklist cards (224, 358, & 498), but what's stange is my #224 has two asterisks, 358 has one, and 498 has two. If anyone can prove or disprove that there are variations to those checklists - help! I can dig out my 74 set (or the guide) & send along a checklist of the PB cards if you want. --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Bob Reed wrote: > Ray, > It's the 1974 set with the variations. There was a game called Pro Draft that including various 1974 cards that look identical to the Topps cards for the most part. There were a few cards that had different poses. I'm sure Tom H can fill you in on all the details. > Here's a link that should help as well: > http://www.pfraforum.org/index.php?showtopic698&modelinear > -Bob > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: LUURSCJG@... > Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:30:11 +0000 > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question on football variations > I think it is the 1972 Topps set in football that have some variation. I remember having Tom H that I was his Secret Santa on year and was looking for a horizontal and vertical cards of the same player or ones that had one or two astericks. Is there a site that can tell me what sets have the variations > Thanks for the help. > Ray > __________________________________________________________ > Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. > http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ ================= Date: Sun, 24 Jan 2010 23:17:11 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Haiti benefit auction postponed one day Hi all, Couldn't get the scans done today, so will take it up tomorrow. I read in today's paper they've called off the search for survivors in Haiti, so it's treatment, organizing, and rebuilding from here on out. I'm sure every little bit will help for some time to come. ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 07:36:14 -0600 (CST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Kahns Wieners
Seems like a good deal--29 for $42--if I was collecting Kahns.  If anyone buys this lot my finders fee is one of the six Woodson Held cards:)
================= To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 11:14:55 -0500 From: "Ed Schott" Subject: GT info http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Thurman ================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 15:07:03 -0600 (CST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Fireside Books of BAseball

Greetings OBC:
Finally picked up a book I bought some time ago--The Second Fireside Book of Baseball.  Some great articles, historical tidbits and cartoons.  I can only presume that Books one and three have similar material.  A couple of things I read today:
We all know that Ole Pete Alexander entered game seven of the 1926 World Series nursing an awful hangover (cause he had pitched the day before) and with the bases loaded--only to strike out Tony Lazzeri and shut the Yanks down the rest of the game.  What I didn't know was that Waite Hoyt would have pitched shut out ball except for a couple of errors--one by Mark Koenig and one by Bob Meusel who dropped a fly ball to account for all three of the Cardinal runs in a 3-2 Redbird victory.
I am in the middle of a lengthy article on Brian Betza's HOMer Pete Reiser by W.C. Heinz called the Rocky Road of Pistol Pete.  Brian if you have never read this I will photocopy it for you.  Great stuff--Reiser is the stuff of legend, constantly walking out of hospitals and back to the ball diamond.
Great read in short bursts--
Peter Mead
================= Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:42:25 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Haitian Donation Auction part 1: 1967 Topps This is the 1967 Topps set, part #1 of the Haitian Donation Auction. It's the full 609-card set with all SPs, stored in a binder and pages. I scanned 7 examples to show the superstars and a couple of amusing extras. CONDITION: The set's predominantly in VG shape, with very few Tiptons. (It's a mix of OBC and purchased cards--I estimate about 20% OBC contributions.) BIDDING: Runs through this Sunday, Jan 31 (to the end of the day). Please email me your bids with ("1967 Topps" in the title) at glidden.matthew@gmail.com. I'll post an update every couple days with high IF YOU WIN: I will carefully package the set in its binder and mail it to you with insurance. CHARITY: International Red Cross, tabbed for Haitian relief. My employer matches each contribution, effectively doubling what we give. QUESTIONS: Definitely let me know! Sample card front scans: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ubBXihr_T1iWByVTGBST2w?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Sample card back scans: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/T84idrCzIUHlA1Y8mmnHDg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Note that you can zoom in on each scan for condition detail. ================= To: Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:12:36 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: OBC Super Bowl Pool X !!! It is that time of year!!! wohoooo! For the new guys, I run a super bowl pool.... all you do to get in is emailme and say you are in. I assign the squares on Thursday before the game, and if yoursquare wins, you get cards from everyone who can send them. If your square doesn't (or even if it does) your job is to send cards to the winners. This is allvery usually most people can find at least one card on one of the winners list, and is usually at least one winner with an easy list to hit. Check out last year's results (and all the previous years results) at http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-09.htm If you have any questions after you check it out, just let me know... Have fun and let me know if you want in Go OBC! ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:31:03 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Air Thurman lands in Glasgow The GreatGary Thurman Invasion continues unabated as an envelope from BobReed arrives in Glasgow this morning. Along for the ride (in addition to Gary) were 4 1969 Topps Football stamps (allfeaturing Detroit Lions players), a 1972T FB Dan Abramowicz, a '94B Cecil Fielder, and the star of the show - a 1955 Bowman FB Dorne Dibble....another one from my Detroit Lions list. Interesting to note that I now have 3 1989T Thurman cards,due to the fact that backabout 1990 I cleverly invested in 2 sets of 1989T cards(note to OBCers....never ask Glenn for financial advice). Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:26:59 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "ricktopps" Subject: Gary Thurman is in my neighborhood Bob Reed is kind enough to send some cards my direction. The package includes some great hits from the 1951 Bowman set including Monte Kennedy, Hank Arft and Howie Fox. The package also included a 1966 Topps Rub off of a Dodgers pennant. Finally came a 1989 card of Gary Thurman. Ah, the memoriesof 1988 and 1989. Bob, thanks a lot!! Rick Johnson ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:32:52 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: 1967 Topps Haitian Donation update: singles coming 1967 Topps: MAC WUBBEN made an early statement and leads with a $500 bid. Also realized that bidding on singles makes for a more interesting auction. Tonight, I'll scan and add a half-dozen separate cards. Thanks for all the notes so far. ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:51:46 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: 1956 Topps question I would be interested in opinions about how those of you who have collected the back variations for 1956 Topps have the sets stored and displayed. Do Have two separate binders where one set is all gray backs and one is all Have two separate binders with mixed backs, but one binders has all of the better condition cards? Have two separate binders where one has the more difficult grayback lower series with the white back mid-series, and the other has the easier cards? Have one binder with the gray and white backs in the same slot? It is winter time up north so I know you have time to deal with important questions like this.... ================= To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:17:54 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps question Thanks for bringing this up. I'm now wintering in Florida and have time totackle life's big questions. I have thought long and hard and rearranged my binders dozens of times. I've decided I don't want to have to do that anymore. I have settled on what is for me, the solution. Since I have been getting more and more interested in variations, and sinceI have discovered there are always new variations being found (hundreds!!), I first put all my cards in binders so that the older larger Topps cards,which go in 8 pocket pages, always have the last card on the page being a number divisible by 8 (so 1-8, followed by 9-16, etc). The later smaller cards which go in 9 pocket pages always have the last card on the page have a number divisible by 9 (so 1-9, followed by 10-18, etc). In other words, I put them in binders as if I don't collect variations. Then I never ever EVER have to re-arrange them. Next, say I have a variationof card #20. I find normal #20 and add a new empty page after its page. In the new page, in the same slot as card #20 occupies, I put card #20 variation. Etc. If there happen to be 2 variations for #20, I put the extra one beside the first, on whichever side there is room, and there almost always is room. If there isn't room, I add another page, but this is extremelyrare. For 1956, this means that I had to decide which back, gray or white, was the norm and which the variation. Then I added new pages for the back color variation. The result is that I have some pages that are in numerical order with all gray backs, followed by another page of the same numbers with white Now I have all variations close to the normal card, and easy to find, and there is always room for more variations without having to move normal cardsaround. I'm interested in hearing what others do, but this is now working for me, means I never have to move normal cards again, always have room for more variations, and the variations are easy to find, and easy to compare with the normal card, which I like to do. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:51:46 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps question I would be interested in opinions about how those of you who have collectedthe back variations for 1956 Topps have the sets stored and displayed. Doyou: Have two separate binders where one set is all gray backs and one is all white? Have two separate binders with mixed backs, but one binders has all of the better condition cards? Have two separate binders where one has the more difficult grayback lower series with the white back mid-series, and the other has the easier cards? Have one binder with the gray and white backs in the same slot? It is winter time up north so I know you have time to deal with important questions like this.... ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 17:54:12 EST To: brightair@msn.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps question Content-Language: en yeah what Richard said In a message dated 1/26/2010 4:18:12 P.M. Central Standard Time, brightair@msn.com writes: Thanks for bringing this up. I'm now wintering in Florida and have time to tackle life's big questions. I have thought long and hard and rearranged my binders dozens of times. I've decided I don't want to have to do that anymore. I have settled on what is for me, the solution. Since I have been getting more and more interested in variations, and since I have discovered there are always new variations being found (hundreds!!)Since I have been getting more and more interested in variations, since I have discovered there are always new variations being found (hundreds!!), I first put all my cards in binders so that the The later cards which go in 9 pocket pages always have the last card on the page have a number divisible by 9 (so 1-9, followed by 10-18, etc). In other words, I put them in binders as if I don't collect variations. Then I never ever EVER have to re-arrange them. Next, say I have a variation of card #20. I find normal #20 and add a new empty page after its In the new page, in the same slot as card #20 occupies, I put card #20 variation. Etc. If there happen to be 2 variations for #20, I put the extra one beside the first, on whichever side there is room, and there almost always is room. If there isn't room, I add another page, but this is extremely rare. For 1956, this means that I had to decide which back, gray or white, was the norm and which the variation. Then I added new pages for the back color variation. The result is that I have some pages that are in numerical order with all gray backs, followed by another page of the same numbers with white backs. Now I have all variations close to the normal card, and easy to find, and there is always room for more variations without having to move normal cards around. I'm interested in hearing what others do, but this is now working for me, means I never have to move normal cards again, always have room for more variations, and the variations are easy to find, and easy to compare with the normal card, which I like to do. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@ To: OBC- From: brockhattox@From: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 15:51:46 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps question I would be interested in opinions about how those of you who have collected the back variations for 1956 Topps have the sets stored and displayed. Do you: Have two separate binders where one set is all gray backs and one is all Have two separate binders with mixed backs, but one binders has all of the better condition cards? Have two separate binders where one has the more difficult grayback lower series with the white back mid-series, and the other has the easier cards? Have one binder with the gray and white backs in the same slot? It is winter time up north so I know you have time to deal with important questions like this.... ================= Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 18:14:18 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: 11 single cards (and posters) for Haitian benefit auction I've added these eleven singles to the Haitian Donation auction, also ending Sunday, Jan 31. Same as before, email bids and I'll update each day between now and Sunday. T205 Arthur Devlin T205 John Flynn T205 J. Owen Wilson T205 George Paskert T205 Matty McIntyre (another picture glued to back) 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink ================= To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:14:44 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: 2010 topps baseball This is part 1 of my twice-yearly interuption of your vintage stuff witha UV notice.... In case you are new, I buy Topps from a dealer and disperse boxes to you guys my cost (plus my postage). This way, for an hour or so of mailing work, I get boxes at wholesale. Problem is, the price has gone up again, so my cost is$44.50 per box. So you guys have to pay $44.50 + about $7+ to mail them. It is also getting tougher to sell on ebay because of all the costs from ebay and paypal. Bottom line is... I only got one case because I was worried about being stuck several boxes that I couldn't cover the cost of. So, let me know if you want a box, or more, and in about a week or so I will let you know who gets what. Thanks your patience, email me questions, and, if you made it this far, I have 3 '53 (2 yankees) up for grabs... #31, #188, #183 Go OBC! ================= To: Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:40:13 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: 78 T huge lot http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t120084 I was browsing the N54 board and saw this... I know Erik and TJ are doing multiple set projects ( THE OL' NINER) and maybe others have interest. Seems cheap enough although I have no stake in the deal, nor any personal interest...it's just an FYI OBC Forever ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:50:41 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Today's baseball card trivia question Hey guys, Here's a pretty neat question. Unfortunately, its not one I have an answer to, but maybe someone out there in OBC does! Counting only Topps base sets since 1952 - If each set is stored in a binder in numerical order on standard 9-pocket pages, and counting only each player's base card (i.e. EXCLUDING subsets such as leaders and other multi-player specials, all-stars, team cards, MVPs, etc. but INCLUDING multi-player rookie cards), which single 9-page sheet contains the most hall of famers? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= To: Glenn Codere , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 13:05:33 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Interesting question Glenn. For 1952 to 1956 do you have to consider 8 pocket sheets? Also do League Presidents count? The first page of my 1956 album has William Harridge, Warren Giles, Ted Williams, and Walter Alson. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: glenncodere@yahoo.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:50:41 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Hey guys, Here's a pretty neat question. Unfortunately, its not one I have an answer to, but maybe someone out there in OBC does! Counting only Topps base sets since 1952 - If each set is stored in a binder in numerical order on standard 9-pocket pages, and counting only each player's base card (i.e. EXCLUDING subsets such as leaders and other multi-player specials, all-stars, team cards, MVPs, etc. but INCLUDING multi-player rookie cards), which single 9-page sheet contains the most hall of famers? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:14:10 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Good point Bob - my bad!! Yes, consider the 52-56 sets as 8-pocket pages. A "4" seems to be a good number! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List From: Bob Reed To: Glenn Codere ; OBC Ramblings Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 6:05:33 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Interesting question Glenn. For 1952 to 1956 do you have to consider 8 pocket sheets? Also do League Presidents count? The first page of my 1956 album has William Harridge, Warren Giles, Ted Williams, and Walter Alson. To: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com From: glenncodere@ yahoo.com Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 09:50:41 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Hey guys, Here's a pretty neat question. Unfortunately, its not one I have an answer to, but maybe someone out there in OBC does! Counting only Topps base sets since 1952 - If each set is stored in a binder in numerical order on standard 9-pocket pages, and counting only each player's base card (i.e. EXCLUDING subsets such as leaders and other multi-player specials, all-stars, team cards, MVPs, etc. but INCLUDING multi-player rookie cards), which single 9-page sheet contains the most hall of famers? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:42:14 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Gremlins!! So I'm flipping through my 1975 binder, trying to answer the trivia question I posed a short time ago, and what do I find? AN EMPTY SPACE!! AARRGGHH! Can anyone spare a 1975T #126 (Checklist)? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 10:59:55 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings , From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gremlins!! I have one and it will go out today. Hopefully with some company, I'll see what else I can find for you. John Stamper --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Glenn Codere wrote: From: Glenn Codere Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gremlins!! To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 10:42 AM So I'm flipping through my 1975 binder, trying to answer the trivia question I posed a short time ago, and what do I find? AN EMPTY SPACE!! AARRGGHH! Can anyone spare a 1975T #126 (Checklist)? Glenn's MusicCollection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:06:45 -0800 (PST) To: John Stamper , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gremlins!! Mr Stamper....you are a star!!! Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List From: John Stamper To: OBC Ramblings ; Glenn Codere Sent: Wed, January 27, 2010 6:59:55 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Gremlins!! I have one and it will go out today. Hopefully with some company, I'll see what else I can find for you. John Stamper --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Glenn Codere wrote: >From: Glenn Codere >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Gremlins!! >To: "OBC Ramblings" >Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 10:42 AM >So I'm flipping through my 1975 binder, trying to answer the trivia question I posed a short time ago, and what do I find? AN EMPTY SPACE!! AARRGGHH! >Can anyone spare a 1975T #126 (Checklist)? >Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music >Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:55:08 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1956 Topps question I kinda have two answers because I'm collecting a second set. In my first (completed) set, I have all the variations in the same slot. Looking at the set now, I think I might eventually add pages to change this to something similar to my 1952 set (one card in each slot for the red and black backs). Currently, the cards are also in the binder so you can't even tell which back is which (both fronts are all you see). This might also take some of the pressure off of the team card slots, which currently have FIVE versions of the same card in them. In my second set (currently still in progress), I'm am not actively collecting the variations, but I still have accumulated a few. In that binder, I have placed the more common version in the front and the harder to find card behind it, so at least you can tell what color the back is. I like this setup better, but I'd still end up with five team cards in one slot unless I decided to place a few (three of each probably) in the back of the binder like I have for variations in a lot of my other sets. That's probably a lot more than a lot of you wanted to know, so I'll end this here. TAYL, Ken M In a message dated 1/26/2010 3:54:18 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, brockhattox@cs.com writes: I would be interested in opinions about how those of you who have collected the back variations for 1956 Topps have the sets stored and displayed. Do you: Have two separate binders where one set is all gray backs and one is all Have two separate binders with mixed backs, but one binders has all of the better condition cards? Have two separate binders where one has the more difficult grayback lower series with the white back mid-series, and the other has the easier cards? Have one binder with the gray and white backs in the same slot? It is winter time up north so I know you have time to deal with important questions like this.... ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:20:36 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: 74 starter set Would anyone like a 1974 starter set of 60 cards? Just send your address. Thanks, Dan Have an OBC day! ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" , Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 19:47:08 -0500 From: "Supreme Commander" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question I found Killebrew, Brock, Palmer on one page in the '66 set, and on the '93 set the first 5 cards are Yount,Bonds,Sandberg, Clemens,Gwynn... That's 3, right? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Glenn Codere To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Hey guys, Here's a pretty neat question. Unfortunately, its not one I have an answer to, but maybe someone out there in OBC does! Counting only Topps base sets since 1952 - If each set is stored in a binder in numerical order on standard 9-pocket pages, and counting only each player's base card (i.e. EXCLUDING subsets such as leaders and other multi-player specials, all-stars, team cards, MVPs, etc. but INCLUDING multi-player rookie cards), which single 9-page sheet contains the most hall of famers? Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music Glenn's Sports Collection Want List ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:10:41 EST To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, glenncodere@yahoo.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Content-Language: en 2, if you mean steroid users In a message dated 1/27/2010 6:47:40 P.M. Central Standard Time, seanobc@comcast.net writes: I found Killebrew, Brock, Palmer on one page in the '66 set, and on the '93 set the first 5 cards are Yount,Bonds,and on th Clemens,Gwynn.Cl That's 3, right? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: _Glenn Codere_ (mailto:glenncodere@yahoo.com) To: _OBC Ramblings_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:50 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Today's baseball card trivia question Hey guys, Here's a pretty neat question. Unfortunately, its not one I have an answer to, but maybe someone out there in OBC does! Counting only Topps base sets since 1952 - If each set is stored in a binder in numerical order on standard 9-pocket pages, and counting only each player's base card (i.e. EXCLUDING subsets such as leaders and other multi-player specials, all-stars, team cards, MVPs, etc. but INCLUDING multi-player rookie cards), which single 9-page sheet contains the most hall of famers? _Glenn's Music Collection at Rate Your Music_ (http://rateyourmusic.com/~NormCash) _Glenn's Sports Collection Want List_ (http://coderescotland.byethost13.com/) ================= Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:07:02 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Haitian Donation Wed update (plus 2 more cards, including Ryan RC) Current bids, auction closes Sunday: 1967 Topps complete set *$500 M. Wubben* 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - *new card* 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Osteen - *new card* Front scan of both: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scan Ryan RC: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scan Osteen: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink T205 Arthur Devlin - *no bid* T205 John Flynn - *no bid* T205 J. Owen Wilson *$10 J. Levine* T205 George Paskert *$10 J. Levine* T205 Matty McIntyre *$10 J. Levine* 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - *no bid* 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - *no bid* 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) *$40 P. Mead* 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - *no bid* Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_ 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - *no bid* Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ lh/photo/ CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg? authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA& feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - *no bid* Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_ 7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 02:32:49 +0000 (UTC) To: Brian Lindholme From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 78 T huge lot The link took me to the forum page, but all it says is "sold". What did I miss out on? T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lindholme" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:40:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 78 T huge lot http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t120084 I was browsing the N54 board and saw this... I know Erik and TJ are doing multiple set projects ( THE OL' NINER) and maybe others have interest. Seems cheap enough although I have no stake in the deal, nor any personal interest...it's just an FYI OBC Forever ================= To: Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:06:39 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 78 T huge lot It was a 1300+ card lot of 1978 Topps...I think only $65 but it must not have lasted too long :( OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: tvalacak@comcast.net To: Brian Lindholme Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 78 T huge lot The link took me to the forum page, but all it says is "sold". What didI miss out on? T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Lindholme" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 12:40:13 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 78 T huge lot http://www.net54baseball.com/showthread.php?t120084 I was browsing the N54 board and saw this... I know Erik and TJ are doing multiple set projects ( THE OL' NINER) and maybe others have interest. Seems cheap enough although I have no stake in the deal, nor any personalinterest...it's just an FYI OBC Forever ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:06:26 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Postal thefts and missing cards Seems some stuff i am buying on ebay isn't showing, was wondering if anyonehas had a problem lately. Also found this article, thoughts? http://www.news12.com/archive/articleDetail.jsp?articleId242358&position1&news_typenews ================= Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:30:12 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Re: Postal thefts and missing cards Police: Mail carrier stole $250K worth of items (01/27/10) POUND RIDGE - A postal carrier working in Pound Ridge was arrested Tuesday for allegedly stealing credit cards and using them to buy tens of thousands of dollars worth of merchandise. Tensy May Smith, 52, was arrested on her mail route during a sting operation that followed months of complaints from residents about stolen mail. Police say hundreds of credit cards, debit cards, gift cards and checks were found at Smith's Croton Falls home. On the day of her arrest, the 15-yearveteran employee of the U.S. Postal Service allegedly stole items valued at Smith is being held in the county jail on $100,000 bail. --- On Thu, 1/28/10, Dan Angland wrote: From: Dan Angland Subject: Postal thefts and missing cards To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 9:06 PM Seems some stuff i am buying on ebay isn't showing, was wondering if anyonehas had a problem lately. Also found this article, thoughts? http://www.news12.com/archive/articleDetail.jsp?articleId242358&position1&news_typenews ================= Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2010 08:00:57 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: Haitian Donation Wed update (plus 2 more cards, including Ryan > Current bids, auction closes Sunday! > 1967 Topps complete set *$500 M. Wubben* > 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - *no bid* > 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - *no bid* > * > * > Front scan of both: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink > Back scan Ryan RC: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink > Back scan Osteen: > http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink > T205 Arthur Devlin - *$10 Fr Pat* > T205 John Flynn - *$10 Fr Pat* > T205 J. Owen Wilson *$10 J. Levine* > T205 George Paskert *$10 J. Levine* > T205 Matty McIntyre *$15 TJ* > 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - *$10 TJ* > 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - *$10 TJ* > 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) *$40 P. Mead* > 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - *$10 Fr Pat* > Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ > w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink > Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/ > lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- > 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink > 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - *no bid* > Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ > lh/photo/ > CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg? > authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA& > feat=directlink > 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - *no bid* > Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ > lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_ > 7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- > 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink > Spike ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 10:04:31 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: Haitian Donation Wed update (plus 2 more cards, including Ryan > Bids as of 10AM Saturday EST, auction closes Sunday night! (A couple of >> people bid the same amount on a card, so the earlier bidder has it.) >> 1967 Topps complete set *$500 M. Wubben* >> 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - *$75 Gersh* >> 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - *$20 Bob D* >> * >> * >> Front scan of both: >> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >> Back scan Ryan RC: >> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >> Back scan Osteen: >> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >> T205 Arthur Devlin - *$10 Fr Pat* >> T205 John Flynn - *$10 Fr Pat* >> T205 J. Owen Wilson *$10 J. Levine* >> T205 George Paskert *$10 J. Levine* >> T205 Matty McIntyre *$15 TJ* >> 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - *$15 Mark T* >> 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - *$10 TJ* >> 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) *$40 P. Mead* >> 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - *$15 Mark T* >> Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ >> w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >> Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >> lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- >> 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >> 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - *$20 Bob D* >> Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >> lh/photo/ >> CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg? >> authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA& >> feat=directlink >> 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - *$20 Bob D* >> Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >> lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_ >> 7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- >> 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >> Spike ================= To: Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:27:36 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Remaining t205's from the lot I've been divvying up the lot of t205's. There are a few left...let me know if any of these appeal to you. As always, trades preferred, otherwise $15 each. Note to Josh...tried emailing you back, but aol bounces my emails...alt email address? Nee (mostly skinned back) Doc White (no borders, but free to the first person to hit my list with anything) Let me know... Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft=92s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:35:21 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: More T205's Available Since Mac has several of you working on your T205's sets, I thought I would mention the T205 dupes that I would be interested in trading for cards or other consideration. They are all slabbed. Graham Cubs SGC 10 Graham Rustlers SGC 40 Jennings SGC 20 David Jones SGC 20 Knight SGC 40 Milan SGC 40 Murray PSA 4 Sharpe SGC 20 Willett SGC 20 Brock H. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:36:44 -0500 From: "senthi" Subject: 1974 fb needs Any help: 1974 fb topps upgrades exmt up condition please #130(oj),234 1974 fb Variations from parker brothers game which are almost identical (Thanks to George Vrechek for this info): card with 1972 stats on back #19** card #23 with vertical pose w/* card #116 with front vertical pose w/* card #126 with pose (not all pro)on front w/* I have 1974 #23,55,116,126,237,331, also parker house #39,43,54,107 and some marked team cards. Otherwise I have other fb stuff for trade.check out my Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 22:26:00 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "welfar03" Subject: Waiver Wire Got a little of everything up for grabs. Please send name and address. 1965 Philly Football 26 80 101 142 178 1963 Topps Football 95 Willie Wood Rd 1971-72 Topps Basketball 35 Havlicek Ex 65 Frazier Vg Topps Baseball 1965: 66 73 85 87 189 1966: 49 51 90 Aparicio 108 166 1967: 19 311 317 347 347 449 1971: 589 597 638 652 702 716 729 730 1972: 22 33 265 372 519 548 554 566 572 603 ================= Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 23:29:24 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: Haitian Donation Wed update (plus 2 more cards, including Ryan > Bids as of 11:30PM Saturday EST, auction closes Sunday night! (A couple of >>> people bid the same amount on a card, so the earlier bidder has it.) >>> 1967 Topps complete set *$500 Mac W* >>> 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - *$90 Mac W* >>> 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - *$20 Bob D* >>> * >>> * >>> Front scan of both: >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>> Back scan Ryan RC: >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>> Back scan Osteen: >>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>> T205 Arthur Devlin - *$10 Fr Pat* >>> T205 John Flynn - *$10 Fr Pat* >>> T205 J. Owen Wilson *$10 J. Levine* >>> T205 George Paskert *$10 J. Levine* >>> T205 Matty McIntyre *$15 TJ* >>> 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - *$15 Mark T* >>> 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - *$10 TJ* >>> 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) *$40 P. Mead* >>> 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - *$15 Mark T >>> * >>> Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ >>> w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>> Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >>> lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- >>> 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>> 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - *$20 Bob D* >>> Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >>> lh/photo/ >>> CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg? >>> authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA& >>> feat=directlink >>> 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - *$20 Bob D* >>> Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >>> lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_ >>> 7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- >>> 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>> Spike ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:15:43 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Re: Haitian Donation Wed update (plus 2 more cards, including Ryan > Bids as of 3:00PM Sunday EST, auction closes night! (A couple of people bid >>>> the same amount on a card, so the earlier bidder has it.) >>>> 1967 Topps complete set *$500 Mac W* >>>> 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - *$100 Gersh* >>>> 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - *$20 Bob D* >>>> * >>>> * >>>> Front scan of both: >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>>> Back scan Ryan RC: >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>>> Back scan Osteen: >>>> http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>>> T205 Arthur Devlin - *$10 Fr Pat* >>>> T205 John Flynn - *$10 Fr Pat* >>>> T205 J. Owen Wilson *$10 J. Levine* >>>> T205 George Paskert *$10 J. Levine* >>>> T205 Matty McIntyre *$15 TJ* >>>> 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - *$15 Mark T* >>>> 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - *$10 TJ* >>>> 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) *$40 P. Mead >>>> * >>>> 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - *$15 Mark >>>> T* >>>> Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/ >>>> w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>>> Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >>>> lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- >>>> 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink >>>> 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - *$20 Bob D* >>>> Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >>>> lh/photo/ >>>> CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg? >>>> authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA& >>>> feat=directlink >>>> 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - *$20 Bob D* >>>> Scan: http://picasaweb.google.com/ >>>> lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_ >>>> 7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0- >>>> 2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 18:58:22 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Haitian Donation auction as of 7PM EST -- bids close at midnight High bids as of 7:00PM Sunday EST; let me know if I missed any. (A couple of people bid the same amount on a card, so the earlier bidder has it.) 1967 Topps complete set $500 Mac W 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - $100 Gersh 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - $20 Bob D Front scan of both: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scan Ryan RC: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scan Osteen: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink T205 Arthur Devlin - $10 Fr Pat T205 John Flynn - $10 Fr Pat T205 J. Owen Wilson $10 J. Levine T205 George Paskert $10 J. Levine T205 Matty McIntyre $15 TJ 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - $15 Mark T 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - $20 Erik G 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) $40 P. Mead 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - $15 Mark T Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - $20 Bob D http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - $25 Ed P III http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink ================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 19:21:36 -0600 (CST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net Subject: Big and Little Poison

I'm not quite certain why I was looking at an old Baseball Encyclopedia today--but I started looking at some of the statistics of he Waner brothers.  They simply didn't strike out much.  In fact, the entire outfield of the 1935 Pirates struck out a total of 46 times in 1713 official at-bats.  The third outfielder was Woody Jensen.
Some life time stats:
Paul Waner  ABs 9459 K 376
Lloyd Waner ABs 7772 K 173
17231 total at bats and only 549 strike outs.  Heck--some of today's free swingers have more strike outs in a year than little poison had in his career.
Peter Mead
================= Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 23:01:38 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Bids as of 11:00PM Sunday EST, auction closes in one hour! Bids as of 11:00PM Sunday EST, auction closes midnight tonight! (A couple of people bid the same amount on a card, so the earlier bidder has it.) 1967 Topps complete set $551 Doug D 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - $100 Gersh 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - $20 Bob D Front scan of both: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/OoNhxOheCi-Xliszvu2H_Q?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scan Ryan RC: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7uVm-GAT9qqSfLB1GVg9Vg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scan Osteen: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/WaqRZJY7-Y9Ewf3vxuwePg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink T205 Arthur Devlin - $10 Fr Pat T205 John Flynn - $10 Fr Pat T205 J. Owen Wilson $10 J. Levine T205 George Paskert $15 Mke R T205 Matty McIntyre $15 TJ 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - $15 Mark T 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - $20 Erik G 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) $40 P. Mead 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - $15 Mark T Front scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/w5IffsjZXf3bbt44MWIugQ?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink Back scans for these 9: http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MkMQ0n88wGNhky_33xQXcw?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - $20 Bob D http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/CNSn2eZUCDWS1xuDKCjOPg?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - $25 Ed P III http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/7HTKWq-ha1qwG_7BD1nXcA?authkey=Gv1sRgCJ-l0-2Fj9XGNA&feat=directlink ================= Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 00:08:05 -0500 To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Glidden Subject: Final results from OBC Haitian Donation auction It's midnight, so I'm officially closing the window on new bids. The final total's almost $950, pretty sweet for a one-week fundraiser. I'll send a summary message tomorrow and start packaging the cards for shipping. Thanks again, everyone! 1967 Topps complete set $551 Doug D 1968 Topps #177 Ryan / Koosman RC - $150 Mac W 1967 Topps Venezuelan #302 Claude Osteen (Dodgers) - $20 Bob D T205 Arthur Devlin - $10 Fr Pat T205 John Flynn - $10 Fr Pat T205 J. Owen Wilson $10 J. Levine T205 George Paskert $15 Mke R T205 Matty McIntyre $15 TJ 1933 Goudey #31 Tony Lazzeri - $22.50 Gary M 1933 Goudey #47 Heinie Manush - $20 Erik G 1935 Goudey 8-E Yankees (Allen / Deshong / Rolfe / Walker) $40 P. Mead 1935 Goudey 8-C Browns (Burns / Hemsley / Grube / Weiland) - $15 Mark T 1972 Topps posters Tom Seaver - $20 Bob D 1972 Topps posters Willie McCovey - $25 Ed P III