================= To: Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 21:16:36 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange - Reminder There is still time to sign up for the OBC Xmas Exchange - See note below. Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, the week after Hanukkah (I think), the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $5-10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server How it works. 1. Reply to this email, that will make it easier to track things or send an email to me with "OBC Xmas" or "OBC Holiday" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique involving paper, scissors and a hat. 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, and send it out. Happy Holidays! Bob Donaldson ================= Date: Tue, 3 Nov 2009 23:44:09 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange - Reminder Hello OBC!! I haven't touched base with anyone since I left in August, so I thought I'dsay hello from Southwest Asia! So, here goes -- Hello, from SW Asia! I'm bummed I won't be participating in the Christmas Exchange this year - it's always the best event of the year for OBC. Every year, my wife won't let me get on the computer on Christmas Day, except to read all the OBCemails since she knows how much fun it is to see what everyone got. I'll make up for it next year! As for me, I'm staying busy - the work never seems to end. After 19 years in the Air Force, I'm at a bit of a decision point - go for full Colonel, or go for full Mr. I'm pretty sure it is going to be the latter, which will make my wife happy. If I get promoted again (no sure thing), I'll just end up back over here for a year. As it is now, I'm on asix-month gig and will be back by Opening Day. I'll bang out the rest of the 2010, and then retire by next Christmas. Hard to believe I'll havebeen in this game for 20 years by then...but I'm ready to coachLittle League and Basketball instead of a squadron of aircraft. I manage to read all the emails you guys send out, just not on a regular basis. I check them every few days when I have some down time -- good to see cardboard flying around and recage the gyros to my hobby! When I get home, I'll be back in the hunt for those elusive T202s. I haven't kept up with prices - how has the economy affected pre-war cards? Am I missing my golden opportunity for some T202 gems? I'm guessing not - cards tend to be pretty resilient...that's my excuse to my wife, anyway. With Veteran's Day coming up, followed by Thanksgiving and Christmas, make sure you say a prayer for the young kids over here who are getting hurt every day, as well as the families of those that aren't coming home. Those are good kids, doing great work for not only Afghanistan, but in keepingAl Qaeda out of our borders as well. Whether you support the war or not, please support your troops with a prayer at your holiday table! Take Care, From: Bob Donaldson To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 5:16:36 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange - Reminder There is still time to sign up for the OBC Xmas Exchange =E2=93 See notebelow. Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, the week after Hanukkah (I think), the winter solstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a fun day to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $5-10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do not open till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblingsserver How it works. 1. Reply to this email, that will make it easier to track things or send an email to me with "OBC Xmas" or "OBC Holiday" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victimis based on a patented semi-randomization technique involving paper, scissors and a hat. 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th,and send it out. Happy Holidays! Bob Donaldson ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 04 Nov 2009 07:32:11 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: 68 topps question Hello all, Sorry for the in activity as of late and i have a few thank yous to send out as well. I have a question for you guys. I just picked the 68 topps Ryan/Koosman for what I think is a great price. Is the 68 topps an easy set to complete? I was never a fan of the set, but since the toughest card in the set is now mine I was thinking of doing it. Does the set have high #s? and tough expensive #s? The Mantle is relatively affordable isnt it? So I am asking you guys A. Should i start the set B. Is the set obtainable thank you all Rob the fireman Gioia ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 05:33:08 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 topps question A. Yes - You are one of a microscopically small percentage of OBCers who have neither completed nor are working on this set B. Yes - You should be able to finish it by Thanksgiving. In fact (local mail strike notwithstanding) there will be several examples of this fine set from a legendary year (at least for us Tigers fans) winging their way to you immediately. From: "DaPatriot1@aol.com" To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 12:32:11 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 topps question Hello all, Sorry for the in activity as of late and i have a few thank yous to send out as well. I have a question for you guys. I just picked the 68 topps Ryan/Koosman for what I think is a great price. Is the 68 topps an easy set to complete? I was never a fan of the set, but since the toughest card in the set is now mine I was thinking of doing it. Does the set have high #s? and tough expensive #s? The Mantle is relatively affordable isnt it? So I am asking you guys A. Should i start the set B. Is the set obtainable thank you all Rob the fireman Gioia ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:05:31 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:68 topps question The answer to the question "Should I work on a set?" is always - yes. I personally think it is great to start any set even if you have no real hope of completing it eg T206, 1952 Topps, 1948 Leafs. Even if you "complete" a set there are always variations and potentially endless upgrades. It keeps us out of bars. The 1968 set should be an achievable goal though. However once you get through the set and the relatively affordable high numbers, you can try the Milton Bradley yellow-backed variations which will create a problem trying to find an affordable Ryan rookie scarce yellow-backed variation. It is all about "the hunt" anyway. George Vrechek ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:21:36 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 topps question The answers to your questions are as follows: A: You should definitely start the set. There's a good chance you'll get lots of help with it from the people reading the messages on this server. I might even have a card or two to send you (providing I can dig them out of the dust covered dupes box I put it in and lost track of some time ago. B: The set is certainly obtainable. Not to brag or anything but I've done it twice myself The high numbers are probably the least scarce of any of the 60's sets and you already have the most expensive card in the set. The Mantle won't break the bank either, since it's one of his last cards. You might be able to get a nice tipton copy for around $50 or so... unless the prices have gone through the roof in the last couple years during my inactivity. My only warning is beware of those high numbered Tigers due to their success at that time. The team card carries a premium, but it's the guys like Mayo Smith and Gates Brown that can be difficult to track down ;-) Good Ken M In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:32:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DaPatriot1@aol.com writes: I just picked the 68 topps Ryan/Koosman for what I think is a great price. Is the 68 topps an easy set to complete? I was never a fan of the set, but since the toughest card in the set is now mine I was thinking of doing it. Does the set have high #s? and tough expensive #s? The Mantle is relatively affordable isnt it? So I am asking you guys A. Should i start the set B. Is the set obtainable ================= To: Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:50 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: What I've been up to... Ken, Steve R, and now me... My card activity has slowed considerably...hopefully will reverse that soon(with permission of the new Mrs. Wubben of course). Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?qrestaurants&formMFESRP&publWLHMTAG&creaTEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 08:32:23 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Yes, indeed..........how the mighty have fallen. Congrats to both of you, big guy! From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 4:26:50 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Ken, Steve R, and now me... My card activity has slowed considerably. ..hopefully will reverse that soon (with permission of the new Mrs. Wubben of course). Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. ================= Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:34:20 -0500 To: Mac Wubben From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... A fine looking couple! Congrats Mac! On Wed, Nov 4, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Mac Wubben wrote: > Ken, Steve R, and now me... > My card activity has slowed considerably...hopefully will reverse that soon > (with permission of the new Mrs. Wubben of course). > Mac > ------------------------------ > Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it > now. ================= To: Mac Wubben , OBC Ramblings Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:48:19 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Wubben! Who's next, Mike Rich? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcmac@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:50 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Ken, Steve R, and now me... My card activity has slowed considerably...hopefully will reverse that soon(with permission of the new Mrs. Wubben of course). Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141665/direct/01/ ================= To: , Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:52:11 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Those were my exact thoughts...watch out Mike! From: boreed@hotmail.com To: obcmac@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:48:19 -0500 Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Wubben! Who's next, Mike Rich? To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: obcmac@hotmail.com Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 11:26:50 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Ken, Steve R, and now me... My card activity has slowed considerably...hopefully will reverse that soon(with permission of the new Mrs. Wubben of course). Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. =09 Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?qrestaurants&formMFESRP&publWLHMTAG&creaTEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ================= To: , "Mac Wubben" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 10:07:34 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Congrats, Mac !!! I'm not sure how you got a hawt babe like her to choose you, but whatever it took to pull off, I know the full support of the group will back you. ...happy to learn we might once again see you among the active!!! ...and of course, WELCOME, Mrs. Wubben!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:26 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What I've been up to... Ken, Steve R, and now me... My card activity has slowed considerably...hopefully will reverse that soon(with permission of the new Mrs. Wubben of course). Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. Try it now. ================= To: , "Geno Wagner" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:25:30 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange - Reminder From me and mine, to you and yours Geno, Prayers! Thank you for all you do !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Geno Wagner To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange - Reminder Hello OBC!! I haven't touched base with anyone since I left in August, so I thought I'dsay hello from Southwest Asia! So, here goes -- Hello, from SW Asia! I'm bummed I won't be participating in the Christmas Exchange this year - it's always the best event of the year for OBC. Every year, my wife won't let me get on the computer on Christmas Day, except to read all the OBC emails since she knows how much fun it is to see what everyone got. I'll make up for it next year! As for me, I'm staying busy - the work never seems to end. After 19 years in the Air Force, I'm at a bit of a decision point - go for full Colonel, or go for full Mr. I'm pretty sure it is going to be the latter, which willmake my wife happy. If I get promoted again (no sure thing), I'll just end up back over here for a year. As it is now, I'm on a six-month gig and will be back by Opening Day. I'll bang out the rest of the 2010, and then retire by next Christmas. Hard to believe I'll have been in this game for 20 years by then...but I'm ready to coach Little League and Basketball instead of a squadron of aircraft. I manage to read all the emails you guys send out, just not on a regular basis. I check them every few days when I have some down time -- good to seecardboard flying around and recage the gyros to my hobby! When I get home, I'll be back in the hunt for those elusive T202s. I haven't kept up withprices - how has the economy affected pre-war cards? Am I missing my golden opportunity for some T202 gems? I'm guessing not - cards tend to be pretty resilient...that's my excuse to my wife, anyway. With Veteran's Day coming up, followed by Thanksgiving and Christmas, make sure you say a prayer for the young kids over here who are getting hurt every day, as well as the families of those that aren't coming home. Those are good kids, doing great work for not only Afghanistan, but in keeping Al Qaeda out of our borders as well. Whether you support the war or not, please support your troops with a prayer at your holiday table! Take Care, From: Bob Donaldson To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 4, 2009 5:16:36 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Xmas Exchange - Reminder There is still time to sign up for the OBC Xmas Exchange =E2=93 See notebelow. Well, it is finally that time of year. The OBC holiday card exchange. For those of you who are new, or have bad memories, the holiday exchange is when participants are randomly assigned the name of another participant to buy and mail a gift to the person they have been assigned to. On December 25th - Christmas for some, the week after Hanukkah (I think), the wintersolstice or Yule for pagans (not sure if we have any pagans) or just a funday to get a gift. Rules (the fine print) 1. Gifts should be in the $5-10 range. The best gifts are not usually the most expensive. Try to get creative. 2. Envelopes should be clearly marked "do not open to Dec 25" or "Do notopen till Xmas". 3. Open your present on the morning of the 25th 4. Report your present and who gave it to you on the ramblings server ASAP. How it works. 1. Reply to this email, that will make it easier to track things or send an email to me with "OBC Xmas" or "OBC Holiday" in the subject. Please include your name just to make sure I don't mix up your email address. 2. Wait a few days for a message from me telling you who your victim is based on a patented semi-randomization technique involving paper, scissors and a hat. 3. Buy something nice, wrap it, mark it "do not open" till the 25th, and send it out. Happy Holidays! Bob Donaldson ================= To: , "George Vrechek" Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:29:21 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:68 topps question I'll be happy just to complete any of the 68's, whether they are a variation or not !!! ... ... long way to go ... ... ----- Original Message ----- From: George Vrechek To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 7:05 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re:68 topps question The answer to the question "Should I work on a set?" is always - yes. I personally think it is great to start any set even if you have no real hope ofcompleting it eg T206, 1952 Topps, 1948 Leafs. Even if you "complete" a set there are always variations and potentially endless upgrades. It keeps us out of bars. The 1968 set should be an achievable goal though. However once you get through the set and the relatively affordable high numbers, you can try the Milton Bradley yellow-backed variations which will create a problem trying to find an affordable Ryan rookie scarce yellow-backed variation. It is all about "the hunt" anyway. George Vrechek ================= To: , Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 20:31:15 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 topps question Yeah, and watch out for rip off "deals" on that Ryan card, too!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: cardclctor@aol.com To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 04, 2009 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 68 topps question The answers to your questions are as follows: A: You should definitely start the set. There's a good chance you'll get lots of help with it from the people reading the messages on this server. I might even have a card or two to send you (providing I can dig them out of the dust covered dupes box I put it in and lost track of some time ago. B: The set is certainly obtainable. Not to brag or anything but I've done it twice myself The high numbers are probably the least scarce of any ofthe 60's sets and you already have the most expensive card in the set. TheMantle won't break the bank either, since it's one of his last cards. You might be able to get a nice tipton copy for around $50 or so... unless the prices have gone through the roof in the last couple years during my inactivity. My only warning is beware of those high numbered Tigers due to their success at that time. The team card carries a premium, but it's the guys like Mayo Smith and Gates Brown that can be difficult to track down ;-) Good luck! Ken M In a message dated 11/4/2009 7:32:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, DaPatriot1@aol.com I just picked the 68 topps Ryan/Koosman for what I think is a great price. Is the 68 topps an easy set to complete? I was never a fan of the set, but since the toughest card in the set is now mine I was thinking of doing it. Does the set have high #s? and tough expensive #s? The Mantle is relatively affordable isnt it? So I am asking you guys A. Should i start the set B. Is the set obtainable ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2009 07:45:39 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: world series waiver wire Hello all, Not a Yankees fan but here is a waiver wire if you you are working on any of these sets claim these cards. feel free to claim but include your address in any claims 1952 topps #98 (trimmed) 1953 topps # 73 1955 bowman # 52 1955 topps #s 57, 184 1956 topps # 54 1957 topps #194 1958 topps # 414 1959 topps # 48, 278 1960 topps # 228, 234 1962 topps #s 12, 101 1963 topps #s 22, 111 1966 topps #s 128,138,184,185 1969 topps 331,334,397 1970 topps #s 8,11,70,76, CLAIM AWAY Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 08:36:18 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Available 1967 Topps, including High #'s and Stars I am back again with a offer for anyone who would like to trade for or help me share the cost of my purchase of another large lot of 1967 Topps. I would always rather work out a trade than ask for money. I have many of the stars and many of the higher numbers left. If you would like for me to make a proposal on cards from your wantlist or upgrade list, please get back to me with your condition preferences and about how much you are willing to invest. I will reply with my cost and the condition of the cards I might have. I am planning on allocating the cost in the following way: Commons between 1 and 533 at a fraction of condition-adjusted book Stars numbered between 1 and 533 and high number DP's close to condition-adjusted book value Cards numbered at 535 and up at 1.5 to 2 times my 2007 SCD condition-adjusted book, since eBay market value seems to be even higher than this. Take care, ================= Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:17:03 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Great Dealer experience Hello all, I am witting this email because I am Shocked. I have as we all do have a favorite dealer. When ever I go to the White Plains shows I usually use the same dealers, and One in particular, I am not going to name names because I don't want this to be a commercial for the guy. Well I buy from him every show, never spend that much money but always buy and he gives me great deals so I stay loyal to him. OK here is my story...... The other day I searched om ebay and saw he had a 1968 Nolan Ryan OBC condition I have been wanting the card for a real long time...so I saw he had a Buy it now for $85 I emailed him and asked him if he would do $70 he pulled the card and I got it for $70 well Today the package arrives, Basically over night Its in a box, not an envelope....well when I open the box I see cards but no ryan I am thinking maybee he sent the wrong package out? I go through the box and their is my Ryan..... He included 8 vg 1954 bowmans which will upgrade my set, 5 1953 bowman color also VG i needed 4 of the 5 and the 5th is another upgrade, then he also added a few cards I had never seen and found out they were topps super 8 in total from 70 and 71 topps with HOFers Brooks Robinson and Al Kaline and also a 40s what looks like a post card i forget what they are called. Not a bad package I would say from a dealer. I am sure the cards he sent cost him nothing but still the though and gesture was very much appreciated. I guess all dealers arent that bad Thank you for taking the time to read this Rob "The FIREMAN" ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 14:17:08 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: What set is this again? Can't remember the name of this set...any help? Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid9690331&ocidPID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 ================= To: , Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 11:57:54 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What set is this again? [1 Attachment] Looks like the R&S Artistic Series. It could also be a 1896 Mayo die cut (n301)set, if you can read the very tiny writing on the backside. The poses for both sets are very similar, but the Mayo has the writing ( and date) I have a Mayo, but not the R& S which I believe are even older (1888) but abit more available. ( If one can even use that term on something so old!) OBC Forever ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 07, 2009 11:17 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] What set is this again? [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from Mac Wubben included below] Can't remember the name of this set...any help? Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. Learn more. ================= Date: Sat, 07 Nov 2009 21:16:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rjsharks" Subject: Does anyone want any of these Strat-o-matic cards? I have strat-o-matic cards from 1984 through 199something. I know some people collect APBA cards, but never heard of anyone wanting these. Maybe for a favorite player or something. Let me know. They may be gone soon Randy Welk ================= Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 01:21:44 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC Ramblings From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Subject: GBSCC Wilmington, MA Shriner's show report Friday afternoon I decided to use my last day of freedom by attending the annual Greater Boston Sports Collectors Society Shriner's show. For those that aren't aware, this is a three day show just north of Boston and quite franky the only show in the area worth attending. I have been attending this show since the 1980's and always come away with something. Whether I actually need it or not is another story... I got to the auditorium just in time for the noon opening. Upon entering Iwent to the familiar first row table of Ron Vitro and caught up with him for a bit. Ron is a good guy and always has a nice selection of pre-war cards to boot. This is where I made my most major purchase of the weekend, netting a pair of Zeenuts and an M101-5 Charles Comisky. Two tables down I was suprised to stumble upon Greg Fisher's table as he usually sets up a fewrows back - guess they gave him an upgrade. Greg's another good guy and we must have spent 40 minutes chatting about all things but cards. AlthoughI couldn't find anything in his crammed bargain boxes but I did walk away with a nice Tatoo Orbit. While talking with Greg, I noticed Bob Donaldson and his painter's hat in the next row so I chased him down, just in time for both of us to raid a 10 cent box that netted me some Hostess, Twinkie andKelloggs cards. Bob also contributed some Hostess and Twinkie cards for my sets...thanks much Bob! After Bob and I gathered our dime piles we noticed an unfamiliar face underneath an OBC hat in the next row. We wandered over and introduced ourselves to Richard Dingman. From there two or three of us roamed the hall in search of true bargain boxes, which are becoming more scarce than a '52 high number. Because of a remodeling project in process at home I had to high tail it out around 4:00 but not before visiting Kevin Savage's table, where Ibought a 1933 Goudey "ed" Lindstrom - yes, it was so badly trimmed that the "Fr" was gone, which I suppose would technically make the card "Pr." Upon purchase of the Lindstrom, Kevin's VP Pat Blandford and I had a lively discussion about the Hall of Fame: who shouldn't be there and who should, as well as some interesting upcoming candidates. This topic I could spend allnight ranting about but that's really not the point of this post... Saturday morning I wanted to go to REI, an outdoor sports store which was having their annual garage sale of returned and discounted merchandise. By the time I got there everything was pretty well picked over and didn't buy a thing. So I made the 10 minute ride from Reading to Wilmington and headed into the show again. Since I am a GBSCC member I get in for free and skip general attendance lines. I made my way into the hall and searched through more boxes and binders with little luck. At high noon, I went to the dining hall where in years past there has been an OBC gathering. This year arecord was set for the smallest gathering during my time in OBC: one (me).After about 20 minutes when no other blue-and-white-hatted folks had strolled in I figured it was time for me to stroll out and wander around some more. Then, the call came: Spike Glidden was at Kevin Savage's table. He and I caught up a bit and shortly thereafter we were joined by Ken Morganti.Ahhh...now I feel better - the gang really is here. Kevin had mentioned that he met with another OBC'er earlier in the day but didn't know who it was. Whoever the mystery member was, sorry I missed ya! The three of us spent the afternoon searching for various things and just looking at various other things, like Terry Knouse's incredible holdings. When Ken had spent most of his budget and more than enough time at the show,Spike and I retired to the dining hall to - of all things - play cribbage.While most folks at the show were in search of Topps, Bowmans and who knows what other cards, Spike and I were in search of cards of a different sort: things like nobs, double runs and flushes. After a good match of three games we called it a day and headed home. Show turnout appeared to be pretty good. Many dealers I spoke to said theywere doing well which is good to hear. True bargains are hard to find buta little digging can net some good stuff, like '67 high numbers for fiddy cent. As you might gather from reading my report (and I congratulate you for reading this much) I go at least as much to socialize as I do for the cards. After all, catching up with old freinds is a nice way to spend an afternoon, don'tcha think? Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 03:04:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: Help! My page still appears on all of my sites - however I can not edit it - whenI try I just get a blank box - Before I start a new page does anyone have any suggestions - I am using Tripod for my host. Any help would be appreciated. Richard Labs ================= To: Date: Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:13:18 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: T205's for??? I have a group of 23 T205's (Bridwell, Byrne, Corridon, Devore, Delahanatey, Flynn, Gibson, Gray, Griffith, Hauser, Hemphill, Jones, Leever, Lord, Milan, Oldrin, Payne, Phelps, Quinn, Schaefer, Schulte, Shean, Wilson) I would like to swap for any of the following: T201 (I have none, considering as a new set) 34-36 Diamond Stars (Considering as a new set, I have: 4, 12, 15, 22, 25, 32, 35, 41, 42, 56, 62, 78) 57 Topps (I need: 1, 2, 10, 76, 125, 165, 210, 212, 275, 302, 317, 324, 328, 337, 338, 346, 407, 2/3, 4/5, PENNY) 65 Topps (I need: 160, 207, 385, 461, 470, 526) HOF'ers (cards from playing days): Bill McKechnie (1907-1946) Billy Southworth (1913-1951) Chick Hafey (1924-1937) Cy Young (1890-1911) Dizzy Dean (1930-1947) Eddie Plank (1901-1917) Eppa Rixey (1912-1933) Ernie Lombardi (1931-1947) Gabby Hartnett (1922-1941) George Davis (1890-1909) George Kelly (1915-1932) George Sisler (1915-1930) Harry Heilmann (1914-1932) Harry Hooper (1909-1925) Heinie Manush (1923-1939) Hugh Duffy (1888-1906) Hughie Jennings (1891-1918) Jack Chesbro (1899-1909) Joe McGinnity (1899-1908) Lefty Gomez (1930-1943) Lou Gehrig (1923-1939) Max Carey (1910-1929) Rogers Hornsby (1915-1937) Rube Waddell (1897-1910) Satchel Paige (1948-1965) Stan Coveleski (1912-1928) Ted Lyons (1923-1946) Travis Jackson (1922-1936) Tris Speaker (1907-1928) Vic Willis (1898-1910) Wilbert Robinson (1886-1931) ================= Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:15:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Aaron" Subject: I got another BROCKETT card! Hey everyone! Yesterday was a good day! I have been looking for Lew Brockett cards for some years now. Why? Well, my grandfather is a Brockett. And this is the only Brockett to have made it to the bigs. I got an E254 Colgan's Chip a while back, and also a T332 Helmar Stamp. But I had never been able to find an affordable C46 Imperial Tobacco card of his until recently. Then EUREKA! I just won one on eBay and received it yesterday: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item170395808383 YAY!!!!! See, as cool as this card is on its own, it's even cooler because this basically completes this "player collection" - at only 3 cards. There are apparently two other versions of the Colgan's Chip out there - the Red Border and the Tin Tops - but although I have seen several examples of both varieties, I have not ever seen a Brockett, in any condition, at any price. I did have one person show me what is believed to be a Colgan's "proof" but I couldn't afford it, and it's a very thin and "ragged" piece of paper. And there is supposed to be a T5 Pinkerton cabinet, but it is quite possible that none still exist. Or ever existed. I even asked the experts over at Net54 and no one could say for sure that they had ever seen one. The official checklist that the company made included it, but that may or may not reflect actual production - the way I understand it, someone would have had to order a Brockett from them in order for them to have produced the cabinet. Even the stars like Cobb are extremely rare. Someone who has had over 60 different Pinkertons told me they had never seen a Brockett. So that leads me to the conclusion of, "until I see one, they don't exist." I hope I see one. And I hope I can afford it by the time I see it. Because it would probably kill me to see one come available now - I'm broke! I had to do some begging to get permission to shell out the $16 for the C46! So I will be taking this C46 over to my grandpa's house tomorrow after church. I know he will be happy that we pieced together THE collection. Maybe someday it will have 4 or 5 pieces in it, but for now I really consider it complete at 3. And hopefully someday we will be able to get down to southern Illinois to see his gravestone. It's only a couple hours from where I live since moving back up here from Georgia. I wonder if there's any special markings on it to indicate that he was a major league ballplayer. Well, I guess that's it for this rambling. Thanks for hanging on with me til the end. ================= Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 04:16:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Richard" Subject: about help I think I might know what my problem is - I created my site on a pc and am now using a mac mini. Any suggestions? ================= To: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 08:52:45 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: OBC Xmas Exchange assignments have been sent If you did not get one, LMK ASAP. If you haven't already, please respond to me with the name of your victim There's still time to join! Just reply to this email! ================= Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 06:17:02 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Lynn Miller Subject: I'm Home Just wanted to let everyone know that I finally made it home to the Philippines to spend some time with my wife and children. Took my son and I ten days to make the trip using exclusively military aircraft space available seats. Unfortunately were held up at Travis AFB CA for 5 days due to planes breaking down, missions changing or flights rescheduled. But once out of there spent an over night in Hickam AFB Honolulu and two nights in Kadena AFB Okinawa Japan before catching a Navy flight from there to Manila Philippines today. Spent a little bit on lodging with the AF Inns at Travis and Kadena but overall saved the cost of two commercial plane tickets since the military flights were all free. Not sure how long I will be home and plan to bring the wife and kids back the same way but expect to encounter more delays due to size of family. Sorry I can't participate in the OBC Christmas exchange this year. Lynn ================= To: , Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 09:47:07 -0800 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: Gremlins! OBC World, how does this happen to us? I have a nice spreadsheet that tracks all of my sets, try to keep up with my website WL at the same time and quickly insert the cards into binder sheets (within a couple weeks). I have all of my sets in binders except 1979 Topps cuz I ran out of 9-pockets. So...with 3 steps/places to check off, I shouldn't have gremlins, right? Afterall, if I have taken the trouble to edit both the spreadsheet and the webpage, why isn't the card in the binder where he belongs?? Gremlins are inexplicable, evil and mysterious. Okay I must confess, my collection ain't that organized. It isn't terrible,but I can't always readily find things I'm looking for...Maybe others would like to commisserate on their gremlin experience. It might be a fun topic! Type 'em up! Anyway while looking through the few sets that are just about complete, I found some of these nasty gremlins and I'd like to finish these sets off: 1950 Bowman- 092 -Hank Majeski- Gremlin 119 -Dick Sisler-Gremlin 215- Ed Lopat (I didn't have this one already) 1970 Topps 250 -Willie McCovey-Gremlin 670 -Ron Santo-(still clinging to the regular wantlist) 1978 Topps 307-Glenn Borgmann-Gremlin Any help would be greatly appreciated and reciprocated! OBC Forever ================= To: Date: Sun, 8 Nov 2009 16:15:24 -0800 From: Erik Greenwood Subject: Set Recommendations I am looking for some set recommendations. I have basically completed the Topps / Bowman / Fleer set quests. I am look for candidate sets where I can realistically finish without spending an arm and a leg. I define the $$$ constraint as spending $5 - $10 to pick up singles and no more than $300 for the most expensive card in the set. I would rather not spend more than $100 for any more than a few cards. I am not really interested in the Topps insert sets. Here are some candidates I am thinking about: * 34-36 Diamond Stars * I really like the T200's, but they don't meet my criteria above. * Some of the Goudey sets * T220 (Boxing) - finishing up this set and won't likely add any more non-baseball sets * I am finishing up some non-sports, and won't likely add any more What are some other good candidate sets? Thanks for your input. Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 01:47:49 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Aaron" Subject: HOCKEY help please Hey everyone I have one small question about a specific hockey card. But it's a surprise for someone in the group. If you collect hockey cards, or even have some, please email me. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 08 Nov 2009 23:38:09 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: FT wash? Hello All I am planning to go to the FT wash/Philly show in December. Is anyone else from obc planning on making the December trip? Its not in Reading anymore its in King of Prussia Pa. which from what I hear is closte to the old show OK let me know if anyone else is going Rob "The Fireman" Gioia ================= Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 21:21:20 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Last chance for 1967 Topps sharing I appreciate all the interest in the 1967 Topps I had available. I have created the attached EXCEL file of the remaining cards, their condition, and my allocated cost. Even if you have taken some of the cards I offered, there are still some great deals for you to take a look at. As always, I would rather create a trade for something on my wantlist. Thanks for taking a look, ================= Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:00:05 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: buying because it's a good deal I did something I've never before maybe because I have been trading for a short period or my budget just doesn't allow me to. I have always thought more than one of a given card is a waste so I have never bought a card just because it is a good deal if I already had I wasn't interested no matter what the cost. I have bought cards for people from looking at their wantlist but that doesn't count. You long time traders have probably been doing it for years so this is probably not interesting to you. But it got me thinking what you guys have bought just because it was a good deal that you didn't need. My card is a 1971 O Pee Chee Nolan Ryan. Rick ================= Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:29:39 +0000 (UTC) To: rrrlyons From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal The first one that comes to mind is a 58 mays for .50 cents. obc condition, but a great deal. T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "rrrlyons" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, November 10, 2009 7:00:05 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal I did something I've never before maybe because I have been trading for a short period or my budget just doesn't allow me to. I have always thought more than one of a given card is a waste so I have never bought a card just because it is a good deal if I already had I wasn't interested no matter what the cost. I have bought cards for people from looking at their wantlist but that doesn't count. You long time traders have probably been doing it for years so this is probably not interesting to you. But it got me thinking what you guys have bought just because it was a good deal that you didn't need. My card is a 1971 O Pee Chee Nolan Ryan. Rick ================= To: rrrlyons@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 00:47:04 -0500 From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal I bought a few because they were too good to pass up....... my most recent was the 66 topps Mantle i got it at the national for $15, a 55 bowman Mantle for $60 which made me start a 2nd 55 bowman set, a 55 Topps Banks , a 68 topps Seaver for $8 and a 69 Seaver for $9 I'm sure their are others but those stick out the most Rob Gioia Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal I did something I've never before maybe because I have been trading for a short period or my budget just doesn't allow me to. I have always thought more than one of a given card is a waste so I have never bought a card just because it a good deal if I already had I wasn't interested no matter what the cost. Ihave bought cards for people from looking at their wantlist but that doesn't count. You long time traders have probably been doing it for years so this is probably not interesting to you. But it got me thinking what you guys have bought just because it was a good deal that you didn't need. My card is a 1971 O Pee Chee Nolan Ryan. Rick OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee.The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links ================= Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:28:01 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Stamper Subject: Softball with a Pro Hey OBC- I want to share with everyone my upcoming Weekend. Saturday I am playing ina Softball Tournament through my Church. We are playing with three other Churches for an all-day Tournament. One of the Churches is actually a Non-Profit group Founded by some of the members of my Church who I play Softball with on Sunday afternoons. Anyway, one of the players for the Non-Profit team is ex-Pirate and current Seattle Mariners shortstopJack Wilson. I am excited to play ball with a pro. Should be a great day! It's also for a good cause. The Tournament is a fund raiser for the Non-Profit. They run a Baseball camp for under-privileged children, among other things, and have the use of some nice facilities. I'll update this on Monday after the weekend of Softball. Sunday we have Play-offs for my Church League. John Stamper ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:34:08 -0800 From: marcpeter@juno.com Subject: Portraits of Baseball's Tinker, Evers and Chance | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian Magazine Hello all - I am not sure if someone has brought this article up on the server but I just happened on it and thought I would share. It is about the photos that the T-205 cards are based on and also on Chicago Cubs Tinkers, Evers and Chance. I know that both of these criteria will hit Geno's list and perhaps a few others as well. Also - if you go to the site check out the article to the side called A Collection Of Baseball Firsts - some old cards and stories... Peter / marcpeter Powered by * Please note, the sender's email address has not been verified. Here is an article on T-205 cards! Click the following to access the sent link: Portraits of Baseball's Tinker, Evers and Chance | Arts & Culture | Smithsonian Magazine* Get your EMAIL THIS Browser Button and use it to email content from any Web site. Click here for more information. *This article can also be accessed if you copy and paste the entire address below into your web browser. http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/Indelible-Images-Double-Play.h ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:25:48 -0500 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Found a keeper Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged yesterday. Just a quick update...now back to cards.... ================= To: Josh Levine , OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:44:50 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Congratulations Joshua and Tiffany. One who encourages our hobby is a keeper Now is she in Mint condition or does she have well rounded corners (or both)? Either way there is no need to upgrade later. To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:25:48 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged yesterday. Just a quick update...now back to cards.... Windows 7: Unclutter your desktop. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid9690331&ocidPID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009 ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 07:00:12 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper "Encourages" is definitely a bonus. I'm happy to make do with "tolerates". Congrats, my friend!! From: "Wite3@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 2:25:48 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged yesterday. Just a quick update...now back to cards.... ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:40:20 -0500 To: Glenn Codere , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Personally, I'm happy with "ignores." ---- Glenn Codere wrote: > "Encourages" is definitely a bonus. I'm happy to make do with "tolerates". > Congrats, my friend!! > Glenn > ________________________________ > From: "Wite3@aol.com" > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 2:25:48 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper > Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged yesterday. > Just a quick update...now back to cards.... > Joshua ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 09:11:48 -0800 (PST) To: Wite3@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Hey Joshua, Congrats to you and Tiffany!!!! Have you set a date yet? You indeed have found a keeper, as the song goes: "It's great to find a soul mate that has priorities straight." It sounds like you may have already avoided one of the major causes of divorce. (Conventional clinical wisdom has it that women marry hoping their spouse will change &men marry hoping their spousewon't. Both are disappointed.) "we keep what we give away!" From: "Wite3@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 9:25:48 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged yesterday. Just a quick update...now back to cards.... ================= To: , Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 10:48:04 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper CONGRATULATIONS, Joshua !!! !!!!! !!! ...does she have a sister? ... ...perhaps even a cousin who believes in that "encourages it" philosophy??? ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 12, 2009 7:25 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged yesterday. Just a quick update...now back to cards.... ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:12:30 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Peter" Subject: tinkers, evers and chance - try #2 Sorry - the link to the T-205 article did not work first time around -- trythis http://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/Indelible-Images-Double-Play.html ================= To: , Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:30:41 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal I think I have the opposite philosophy...I love buying whatever I can get agood deal on, then swinging trades for the cards I need. That is much more fun for me than just shelling out $ for some overpriced card. I need that Ryan...let's talk trade ;-)! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rrrlyons@msn.com Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2009 01:00:05 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal I did something I've never before maybe because I have been trading for a short period or my budget just doesn't allow me to. I have always thought more than one of a given card is a waste so I have never bought a card just because it is a good deal if I already had I wasn't interested no matter what the cost. I have bought cards for people from looking at their wantlist but that doesn't count. You long time traders have probably been doing it for years so this is probably not interesting to you. But it got me thinking what you guys have bought just because it was a good deal that you didn't need. My card is a 1971 O Pee Chee Nolan Ryan. Rick Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 15:37:12 EST To: hoot_owl1@verizon.net, obcmac@hotmail.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] buying because it's a good deal I haven't said anything in reply to this post, but I believe Peter is on precisely the right track. I love to buy large lots at good prices, upgrade my sets, and then share the rest with other traders through trading or cost sharing. I hope no one is offended by this, but I believe it is the best way to get a significant number of cards into our groups' hands. Take care, ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 16:45:53 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: my apology My apology to all for errantly thanking a non OBC member for some cards. I hope all are well and on the threshold of a fabulous holiday period. Bob Bannon ================= Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:17:33 EST To: malsman250@neo.rr.com, glenncodere@yahoo.com, From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper Content-Language: en I have a tolerates she says he could be worse like drugs, drinking or In a message dated 11/12/2009 9:41:08 A.M. Central Standard Time, malsman250@neo.rr.com writes: Personally, I'm happy with "ignores." ---- Glenn Codere <_glenncodere@glenncode_ (mailto:glenncodere@yahoo.com) > > "Encourages" is definitely a bonus. I'm happy to make do with > Congrats, my friend!! > Glenn > ____________ ____ ____ > From: "_Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) " <_Wite3@aol.com_ (mailto:Wite3@aol.com) > > To: _OBC-Ramblings@OBC-RamblingOBC_ > Sent: Thu, November 12, 2009 2:25:48 PM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Found a keeper > Been searching for awhile and finally find a girl who not only allows my hobby but encourages it. I love Tiffany deeply and we got engaged > Just a quick update...now back to cards.... > Joshua ================= To: Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:16:34 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: F Ben Pierce Any alumni/fans out there? I found a FBP "Tiger Cubs" pennant at the Shriner's card show last weekend. Send me your address if you want it, I'll send it. Richard D ================= To: OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2009 18:06:12 -0700 From: James Silva Subject: Estes Banks Tonight I stopped at Starbucks to grade some late work that my 7th graders turned in. I was sitting there grading when a nice man walked in who was clearly a regular. He knew everyone behind the counter by name and was joking with them. He sat down at a table opposite me and when I looked up he asked about my work, which lead to conversation about teaching and somehow to sports (go figure). Turns out the nice man is Estes Banks who played for the Raiders in '67 and the Bengals in '68. Interestingly when I looked him up, his last game was by far his best - something like 11 carries for 74 yards. What was most interesting to me about our conversation was when he talked about playing baseball in a program in LA when he was a kid. His team would make a pretty solid major league team right now. I wish I was taking notes but he was the center fielder. Bob Watson caught. Bobby Tolan, Wille Crawford, Paul Blair, and a host of former major league players were also on the team. I believe he and one other guy on the team were the only two to NOT play major league baseball. I don't remember the other guy's name but Estes said he hit 40 something (48?) homers in the minors and then quit. I am going to start haunting that Starbucks from now on in hopes of meeting him again and I was wondering if he has a card. Does any have a football card index who could answer that one for me? I will take some notes next time. He is a really nice man and seemed to enjoy my enthusiasm. He played with Lamonica, Blanda, and Biletnikoff (my football hero and the reason I wear 25 on all my jerseys). Cool chance encounter on a day when I needed it. Jim "El Fuego" Silva #25 in your program ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 15:54:25 -0500 From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: Found a keeper That's great! Congratulations ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 01:30:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Chris" Subject: Can't think of a better group to ask about this... I'm being asked to write an article for a hobby magazine (a new one, I'm not able to give details right now). The topic is one I know is very dear to the OBC crowd: beaters. Cards with stories. Cards with character. Cards that show other collectors you're not the type who is going to settle for the boring, predictable mintcard (or, for that matter...is going to fork over his too-high asking price). While owning a high-grade, top-dollar collection is nice, there's something to be said about the people who collect the cards for what they are, blemishes and all. Yes, that word is often "crazy" but I digress... For this article, I'd like to ask some of my fellow collectors about their reasons for collecting beat-up cards. Is it because of budgetary factors? Are you collecting stuff that just doesn't show up in decent condition? Do you have a process of completing your sets and possibly upgrading later? Also, I'd love to get some nice scans of favorite "well-loved" cards and the stories behind them. I know several are already up on the "Tiptons on Parade" page of the OBC website, but any others that haven't made the cut are welcome. Lastly...and this is probably something I'm tossing to the OBCAC: if I mention OBC in the article (and it doesn't get chopped out by the editor), whatwould be acceptable use? I'm guessing the website address and a generic description of the group are OK (and of course I am not going to paint us as a bunch of cheap SOBs or anything like that...even if a few of us -- including myself -- are). I guess I'd like to know what will be OK before the article comes out and somebody feels I may have said too much. While I like the idea of getting some more exposure around the hobby, as a largely inactive swapper here for the past several years, I may not have the "group think"dynamic down like I once did. If anybody wants to respond...feel free to share with the group; if you're more comfortable with corresponding via private email, I'll do that as well. Also...if you wish to remain anonymous, let me know and I'll respect that. This has the workings of a great article...and I haven't even started yet. Take care, ================= To: Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 20:07:12 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: 35 Goudey 4 in 1 For those of you that collect 35 Goudey 4 in 1's, do you: A) collect the master set of 113 B) collect complete one or more back puzzles while completing the set of 36 C) collect the set of 36 regardless of backs Thanks for the input. Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:09:03 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: This weekend's research project Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Would love to help this guy out but I'm very busy this weekend with my daughter in her high school play. (I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that my daughter is in high school, period.) If anyone has any comments, and I'm sure you do, please feel free to respond to this guy directly at his email address, Wayne Delia, IBM Master Inventor, wayne@deliafamily.net Director of Volunteer Recruitment, Phi Kappa Sigma Fraternity “To do what ought to be done, but would not have been done unless I did it, I thought to be my duty.” (Robert Morrison, 1849) ================= To: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 09:22:04 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:35 Goudey 4 in 1 My approach was to collect all the back puzzles. It all "fits" together then. Therefore I still have something to collect if I want to get all the color variations. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 10:37:04 EST To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: My favorite baseball card I am attaching a scan of the favorite card in my collection. This is a 1959 Topps Stan Musial card. I got it out of a pack that I bought at Lorick Drug Store in Ecru, Mississippi. I was 11 years old at the time, and earned my money for baseball cards by picking cotton. Our school term started right after the 4th of July, and after two months of school, they let out for 8 weeks so we could pick cotton. We then started back up at the end of October and went until late April, when the cotton had to be hoed. My dad was a rural mail carrier, and didn't grow cotton, so he had us "hire out" to neighbor farmers. We were paid by the pound, and on a good day, from daylight to dusk, I could make $3. Those nickles I spent on cards were hard-earned and precious to me. I was left-handed and played first base (badly), and Stan Musial became my hero. These were the days before the Braves moved to Atlanta, so the Cardinals were the only Southern ML Team. We could hear all their day games on local radio, and the night games on KMOX in St. Louis, with Harry Caray and Joe Garagiola announcing. (We always watched the Game of the Week on Saturday with Dizzy Dean's color commentary.) I never had enough money to buy enough cards to create a full set, but I treasured the ones I had. Unlike many other folks, my mother kept my collection in a cigar box until I was an adult and settled. You can tell I never expected the Musial card to be a collectible, since I taped it to my mirror in my bedroom, thus the loss of paper on the front. I was able to see Stan play in person one time, in 1960 in St.Louis. I still have my scored scorecard from that game, and later on, I was able to get Stan to autograph it for me. As you know, I have many sets now, and the Topps cards in my sets don't have creases or paper loss, but this old beat-up Musial is still my favorite. Take care, ================= To: Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 08:36:35 -0800 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: RE: Set Recommendations Thank you for all of your input. I decided to plunge back into some set collecting with the following sets: 1909 T201 (any condition) 50 to go (0% finished) 50 Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 1934-36 Diamond Stars (any condition) 96 to go (11% finished) 108 Total 1 2 3 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 13 14 16 17 18 19 20 21 23 24 26 27 28 29 30 31 33 34 36 37 38 39 40 43 44 45 46 47 48 49 50 51 52 53 54 55 57 58 59 60 61 63 64 65 66 67 68 69 70 71 72 73 74 75 76 77 79 80 81 82 83 84 85 86 87 88 89 90 91 92 93 94 95 96 97 98 99 100 101 102 103 104 105 106 107 108 1935 Goudey 4 in 1 (any condition) 32 to go (x% finished) 36 Total 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 1936 Goudey B&W (any condition) 24 to go (4% finished) 25 Total 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1936 R311 Premiums (any condition) 43 to go (0% finished) 43 Total G1 G2 G3 G4 G5 G6 G7 G8 G9 G10 G11 G12 G13 G14 G15 G16 G17 G18 G19 G20 G21 G22 G23 G24 G25 G26 G27 G28 L1 L2 L3 L4 L5 L6 L7 L8 L9 L10 L11 L12 L13 L14 1936 R314 (any condition) 208 to go (0% finished) 208 Total A1 A2 A3 A4 A5 A6 A7 A8 A9 A10 A11 A12 A13 A14 A15 A16 A17 A18 A19 A20 A21 A22 A23 A24 A25 A26 A27 A28 A29 A30 A31 A32 A33 A34 A35 A36 A37 A38 A39 A40 A41 A42 A43 A44 A45 A46 A47 A48 A49 A50 A51 A52 A53 A54 A55 A56 A57 A58 A59 A60 A61 A62 A63 A64 A65 A66 A67 A68 A69 A70 A71 A72 A73 A74 A75 A76 A77 A78 A79 A80 A81 A82 A83 A84 A85 A86 A87 A88 A89 A90 A91 A92 A93 A94 A95 A96 A97 A98 A99 A100 A101 A102 A103 A104 A105 A106 A107 A108 A109 A110 A111 A112 A113 A114 A115 A116 A117 A118 B1 B2 B3 B4 B5 B6 B7 B8 B9 B10 B11 B12 B13 B14 B15 B16 B17 B18 B19 B20 B21 B22 B23 B24 B25 C1 C2 C3 C4 C5 C6 C7 C8 C9 C10 C11 C12 C13 C14 C15 C16 C17 C18 C19 C20 C21 C22 C23 C24 C25 D1 D2 D3 D4 D5 D6 D7 D8 D9 D10 D11 D12 D13 D14 D15 D16 D17 D18 D19 D20 D21 D22 D23 D24 D25 D26 D27 D28 D29 D30 D31 D32 D33 D34 D35 D36 D37 D38 D39 N31 need 47/50 - list forthcoming T220 need 25/50 - list forthcoming Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 16:38:18 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: 1968 OPC NOLAN RYAN ONE ON EBAY PSA GRADED 3 FOR 200$ OR OFFER IF ANYONE IS INTERESTED. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:51:39 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 35 Goudey 4 in 1 Yes ;-) Although with me, the term "collect" varies all the time. Right now it means: knowing where to find my list if I wanted to. ----- Original Message ----- From: Erik & Leticia Greenwood To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 13, 2009 11:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 35 Goudey 4 in 1 For those of you that collect 35 Goudey 4 in 1's, do you: A) collect the master set of 113 B) collect complete one or more back puzzles while completing the set of 36 C) collect the set of 36 regardless of backs Thanks for the input. Erik Greenwood ================= To: mzentko@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:59:03 -0500 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: congrats! Okay...thank you all for your kind words... Extra kudos to Mark though. This is one of the greatest suggestions I have heard and I cannot believe I did not think of it before!! Tiffany sets willbe added to list shortly! -----Original Message----- From: Mark Zentkovich To: Wite3@aol.com Sent: Fri, Nov 13, 2009 6:35 am Subject: congrats! I wish you both the best thanks for sharing the great news! now you have to do something crazy (card wise) like start Topps Tiffany sets or something! ================= Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2009 11:30:58 -0800 (PST) To: brockhattox@cs.com, chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] My favorite baseball card [1 Attachment] My favorite beater is my 58 Mantle, which is not up to (or is it down to?)the Tipton status that Brock's is but there's a good story behind it.Back in the dayone of my collecting buddies was Denny Chapman who refused to keepany of the hatedYankee cards. We used to take his little brother, Johnny with us toPiknik'sMarketto buy baseball cards. Johnny had uncanny luck when buying cards. We would give him money and let him go into buyour card and would give him the gum.We would not even go in the store for fear ofbreaking the lucky streak. Since our buyer was Denny's brother, he got first pick of the packs. On one particular occasion Denny opened a pack with the Mantle in it. He immediately ripped the top of the card, crumpled it up, and threw it in the trash basket. I of course picked it out of the trash and put it in my pocket. When I opened one of my packs, I came up withTiger pitcherFrank Lary whobeat the Yankees 7 timesthe previous year, and for obvious reasons was Denny's favorite player. Denny wanted the card badly andwanted to trade for it offering the Mantle he had just thrown away claiming that it really belonged to him. Needless to say I thought that was a stupid and told him so.For the next few weeksI was banned from utilizing his brother asa buyer but it was worth it becausewe didn't see another Mantle that summer. "we keep what we give away!" From: "brockhattox@cs.com" To: chrisstufflestreet@yahoo.com Cc: j_hattox@yahoo.com; aglio22@hotmail.com; hjernejcic@adelphia.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, November 14, 2009 10:37:04 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] My favorite baseball card [1 Attachment] [Attachment(s) from brockhattox@cs.com included below] I am attaching a scan of the favorite card in my collection. This is a 1959 Topps Stan Musial card. I got it out of a pack that I bought at Lorick Drug Store in Ecru, Mississippi. I was 11 years old at the time, and earned my money for baseball cards by picking cotton. Our school term started right after the 4th of July, and after two months of school, they let out for 8 weeks so we could pick cotton. We then startedback up at the end of October and went until late April, when the cotton had to be hoed. My dad was a rural mail carrier, and didn't grow cotton, so he had us "hireout" to neighbor farmers. We were paid by the pound, and on a good day, from daylight to dusk, I could make $3. Those nickles I spent on cards were hard-earned and precious to me. I was left-handed and played first base (badly), and Stan Musial became my hero. These were the days before the Braves moved to Atlanta, so the Cardinals were the only Southern ML Team. We could hear all their daygames on local radio, and the night games on KMOX in St. Louis, with HarryCaray and Joe Garagiola announcing. (We always watched the Game of the Week on Saturday with Dizzy Dean's color commentary.) I never had enough money to buy enough cards to create a full set, but I treasured the ones I had. Unlike many other folks, my mother kept my collection in a cigar box until I was an adult and settled. You can tell I never expected the Musial card to be a collectible, since I taped it to my mirror in my bedroom, thus the loss of paper on the front. I was able to see Stan play in person one time, in 1960 in St.Louis. I still have my scored scorecard from that game, and later on, I was able to get Stan to autograph it for me. As you know, I have many sets now, and the Topps cards in my sets don't have creases or paper loss, but this old beat-up Musial is still my favorite. Take care, ================= To: OBC Ramblings server OBC Ramblings server Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2009 22:39:56 -0500 From: Aaron Shirley Subject: Joe Tinker in Orlando Hey all The other day my sister participated something along the lines of an "amazing race" and one of the clues mentioned "Tinker." They had to take a picture of themselves in front of the Joe Tinker building which is in Orlando Florida. She took a closeup of the plaque on the building because she thought I would be interested in it. Thought I would pass it on... Kinda cool... Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/177141664/direct/01/ ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:24:18 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings , opc-central@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in Topps and OPC Topps and OPC both started their 1974 set with Hank tributes, but the cards don't match up exactly. I only have the #5 from each set, so want to understand the differences, starting from our OldBaseball.com checklists. 1 Hank Aaron 715 2 Aaron Special 54-57 3 Aaron Special 58-61 4 Aaron Special 62-65 5 Aaron Special 66-69 6 Aaron Special 70-73 1 Hank Aaron Complete ML record 2 Hank Aaron Special 54-57 Records on back 3 Hank Aaron Special 58-59 4 Hank Aaron Special 60-61 5 Hank Aaron Special 62-63 (back: 54-57 highlights) 6 Hank Aaron Special 64-65 7 Jim Hunter 8 Hank Aaron Special 68-69 9 Hank Aaron Special 70-73 Milestone homers OPC #5 shows the 1962 & 1963 Topps cards, but the back describes 1954-1957 highlights. No problem finding scans of #1, but there's little available for the others. Can anyone confirm what the other Topps/OPC card front and backs have? (Primarily highlight years & English/French) ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:06:04 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: US silver certificate collectors? I recently plucked a series 1957 $1 silver certificate as change from a local diner. They're not worth much more than $1 circulated, but if there's an OBCer who also goes for silver certs, thought I've give them the opportunity! Just let me know and we can work out an exchange. ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 14:57:37 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Type (or set collector) available: 1976 ISCA Hoosier Hot-Stove All-Stars I recently picked up most of this oddball set to grab the #5, so there are a bunch left. It's a 26-card set now missing #1, 5, 17. Anyone working on the set or want a type or player card? Full checklist: http://www.oldbaseball.com/MegaChecklists/ChecklistSet.php?genre=Baseball&year=1976&setname=ISCA~Hoosier~Hot-Stove~All-Stars ================= To: , Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 19:25:06 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in opc updated below...if you don't have a 74T set, we'll have to start one for To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; opc-central@yahoogroups.com From: obc_spike@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:24:18 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in Topps and Topps and OPC both started their 1974 set with Hank tributes, but the cardsdon't match up exactly. I only have the #5 from each set, so want to understand the differences, starting from our OldBaseball.com checklists. 1 Hank Aaron 715 2 Aaron Special 54-57 3 Aaron Special 58-61 4 Aaron Special 62-65 5 Aaron Special 66-69 6 Aaron Special 70-73 1 Hank Aaron Complete ML record 2 Hank Aaron Special 54-57 Records on back 3 Hank Aaron Special 58-59 most memorable home runs 4 Hank Aaron Special 60-61 more most memorable homers (not chronological) 5 Hank Aaron Special 62-63 (back: 54-57 highlights) 6 Hank Aaron Special 64-65 59-63 highlights 7 hunter? 64-68 highlights 8 Hank Aaron Special 68-69 69-73 highlights 9 Hank Aaron Special 70-73 Milestone homers OPC #5 shows the 1962 & 1963 Topps cards, but the back describes 1954-1957 highlights. No problem finding scans of #1, but there's little available for the others. Can anyone confirm what the other Topps/OPC card front and backs have? (Primarily highlight years & English/French) Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?hmyidea?ocidPID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_myidea:112009 ================= Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 17:38:03 -0800 (PST) To: Mac Wubben , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in Topps and OPC HA! Not so fast. That set's still in my parents' basement (in WA) and I definitely don't need another one. From: Mac Wubben To: obc_spike@yahoo.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, November 16, 2009 7:25:06 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in Topps and OPC opc updated below...if you don't have a 74T set, we'll have to start one for you. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; opc-central@yahoogroups.com From: obc_spike@yahoo.com Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2009 09:24:18 -0800 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in Topps and OPC Topps and OPC both started their 1974 set with Hank tributes, but the cards don't match up exactly. I only have the #5 from each set, so want to understand the differences, starting from our OldBaseball. com checklists. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:03:56 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Aaron" Subject: Re: Question about 1974's Hank Aaron Special in Topps and OPC I have the OPC card 7. It's not Jim Hunter, it's 1966 and 1967 on the front, then 64-68 highlights in English and French. ================= Date: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:13:03 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Aaron" Subject: here's an OPC 7 on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item370180807721 ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 01:49:43 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: A new collecting foible I thought I'd just throw this out there in the hope that perhaps one or two of you might be able to help me out. Over the past 5 years or so, I've built up a small collection of ball markers from golf courses that I've played. The collection has grown to a reasonable enough size that my wife has actually bought me a display frame to put them in. The number of slots in the frame vastly outnumbers the markers that I have (or will have if I stick to the "course I've played" rule), so I've decided to try to expand the collection. So, if you are a golfer please keep me in mind if you are playing are playing a course and picking up a marker. Maybe you have an extra from your own home course! I'd do my best to reciprocate either with a marker of some sort from here in Scotland (The Home of Golf), or via our usual cardboard considerations. Cheers for now! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 06:39:11 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: kwg0@aol.com Subject: A New Adventure I'm about to embark on a new adventure - retirement. My company offered me the following: 1. Lump sum or roll into retirement plan. Lump sum was based on sum of years service which was 27. I'm going to chose the roll into retirement plan just for tax purposes. 2, 100% medical, dental, and vision care coverage until I'm 65. I'm only 3. Life insurance which I'll have to contribute X dollars. 4. 5 weeks vacation pay. The question I pose is outside of checking into Social Security and the less income issues are there any others things to check out or expect? I've been reviewing the income versus expenses very diligently for the last two years as I had planned on early retirement next year. I cut back on some like to have expenditures as well as the don't need expenditures. I'm going to really cut back on all unnecessary expenditures as I don't have a choice or alternative. Heaven forbid that I may have to start selling off my card collection which by the way I had already started to do. I'm down to my basketball cards and few years of football. I've still got all my baseball cards yet. I've talked to other retirees about this and they had run into the same situation. It's going to be big adjustment period. What to do? What to do? I'm open to suggestions. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 04:02:44 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A New Adventure I'm afraid that I'm not the most qualified person to be dispensing financial advice. Personally, my early preferred retirement scheme (which has been in operation for 15 years now) involves selecting 6 numbers on a Saturday. So far, the return has been poor but I'm still hopeful of a generous lump sum I would love to be able to retire at 60. That would be in 2020 by which time I'll have 38 years continuous service. The retirement package offered by the UK's National Health Service is certainly livable, assuming things likethemortgage is out of the way (which it should be way before that). We get a decent lump sum, and a monthly pension over and above the standardstate pension. I've also been making some small scale private investments which hopefully will accumulate into something more substantial over the next 10 yrs. Fingers crossed! Good luck with you brave new retirement world! Enjoy life, my friend!! From: "kwg0@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 11:39:11 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] A New Adventure I'm about to embark on a new adventure - retirement. My company offered me the 1. Lump sum or roll into retirement plan. Lump sum was based on sum of years service which was 27. I'm going to chose the roll into retirement plan just for tax purposes. 2, 100% medical, dental, and vision care coverage until I'm 65. I'm only 63. 3. Life insurance which I'll have to contribute X dollars. 4. 5 weeks vacation pay. The question I pose is outside of checking into Social Security and the less income issues are there any others things to check out or expect? I've been reviewing the income versus expenses very diligently for the lasttwo years as I had planned on early retirement next year. I cut back on some like to have expenditures as well as the don't need expenditures. I'm going to really cut back on all unnecessary expenditures as I don't have a choice or alternative. Heaven forbid that I may have to start selling off my card collection which by the way I had already started to do. I'm down to my basketball cards and few years of football. I've still got all my baseball cards yet. I've talked to other retirees about this and they had run into the same situation. It's going to be big adjustment period. What to do? What to do? I'm open to suggestions. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:03:46 -0500 To: kwg0@aol.com From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A New Adventure I've done a little thinking on retirement, but as its a ways off (I'm 47), I don't have any definate ex It might not be a bad idea to meet with a financial advisor. I've never done this but if I did it would NOT be a person who had any interest in my money, i.e. someone who would profit from my specific investment choices. Rather someone I paid a set fee to for a few hours of their time to get suggestions on invstments, taxes etc. Do you really need life insurance? If you're no longer working, there should be little loss of income should you pass away. You might want to have some sort of a part time job, doing something you enjoy, partially to help more with finances but also to keep yourself busy. I met my first boss at Fenway park a few months ago. He's retired and works as an usher - he loves it! Best of luck On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:39 AM, wrote: > I'm about to embark on a new adventure - retirement. My company offered > me the following: > 1. Lump sum or roll into retirement plan. Lump sum was based on sum of > years service which was 27. I'm going to chose the roll into retirement plan > just for tax purposes. > 2, 100% medical, dental, and vision care coverage until I'm 65. I'm only > 63. > 3. Life insurance which I'll have to contribute X dollars. > 4. 5 weeks vacation pay. > The question I pose is outside of checking into Social Security and the > less income issues are there any others things to check out or expect? > I've been reviewing the income versus expenses very diligently for the last > two years as I had planned on early retirement next year. I cut back on some > like to have expenditures as well as the don't need expenditures. I'm going > to really cut back on all unnecessary expenditures as I don't have a choice > or alternative. Heaven forbid that I may have to start selling off my card > collection which by the way I had already started to do. I'm down to my > basketball cards and few years of football. I've still got all my baseball > cards yet. > I've talked to other retirees about this and they had run into the same > situation. It's going to be big adjustment period. > What to do? What to do? I'm open to suggestions. > Kent ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:31:33 EST To: obcbobd@gmail.com, KWG0@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A New Adventure Content-Language: en Kent raises some very good questions! I hope that this is OK. I am a financial planner, and have been working with clients on exactly these types of issues for over 27 years. I would be happy to discuss this with anyone facing these or similar issues. Gary Mandell, CFP(R), CPA, CLU 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB In a message dated 11/18/2009 7:04:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, obcbobd@gmail.com writes: I've done a little thinking on retirement, but as its a ways off (I'm 47), I don't have any definate ex It might not be a bad idea to meet with a financial advisor. I've never done this but if I did it would NOT be a person who had any interest in my money, i.e. someone who would profit from my specific investment choices. Rather someone I paid a set fee to for a few hours of their time to get suggestions on invstments, taxes etc. Do you really need life insurance? If you're no longer working, there should be little loss of income should you pass away. You might want to have some sort of a part time job, doing something you enjoy, partially to help more with finances but also to keep yourself busy. I met my first boss at Fenway park a few months ago. He's retired and works as an usher - he loves it! Best of luck On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:39 AM, <_kwg0@aol.com_ (mailto:kwg0@aol.com) > I'm about to embark on a new adventure - retirement. My company offered me the following: 1. Lump sum or roll into retirement plan. Lump sum was based on sum of years service which was 27. I'm going to chose the roll into retirement plan just for tax purposes. 2, 100% medical, dental, and vision care coverage until I'm 65. I'm only 3. Life insurance which I'll have to contribute X dollars. 4. 5 weeks vacation pay. The question I pose is outside of checking into Social Security and the less income issues are there any others things to check out or expect? I've been reviewing the income versus expenses very diligently for the last two years as I had planned on early retirement next year. I cut back on some like to have expenditures as well as the don't need expenditures. I'm going to really cut back on all unnecessary expenditures as I don't have a choice or alternative. Heaven forbid that I may have to start selling off my card collection which by the way I had already started to do. I'm down to my basketball cards and few years of football. I've still got all my baseball cards yet. I've talked to other retirees about this and they had run into the same situation. It's going to be big adjustment period. What to do? What to do? I'm open to suggestions. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 05:43:22 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A New Adventure Just gimme the damn numbers for Saturday, Gary!!! From: "smartalecx@aol.com" To: obcbobd@gmail.com; KWG0@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 1:31:33 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A New Adventure Kent raises some very good questions! I hope that this is OK. I am a financial planner, and have been working with clients onexactly these types of issuesfor over 27 years. I would be happy to discuss this with anyone facing these or similar Gary Mandell, CFP(R), CPA, CLU 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 Member: OBC, OCT, DT, TB In a message dated 11/18/2009 7:04:55 A.M. Central Standard Time, obcbobd@gmail. com writes: >I've done a little thinking on retirement, but as its a ways off (I'm 47),I don't have any definate ex >It might not be a bad idea to meet with a financial advisor. I've never done this but if I did it would NOT be a person who had any interest inmy money, i.e. someone who would profit from my specific investment choices. Rather someone I paid a set fee to for a few hours of their time to get suggestions on invstments, taxes etc. >Do you really need life insurance? If you're no longer working, there should be little loss of income should you pass away. >You might want to have some sort of a part time job, doing something you enjoy, partially to help more with finances but also to keep yourself busy. I met my first boss at Fenway park a few months ago. He's retired and works as an usher - he loves it! >Best of luck >On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 6:39 AM, wrote: >>I'm about to embark on a new adventure - retirement. My company offered me the following: >>1. Lump sum or roll into retirement plan. Lump sum was based on sum of years service which was 27. I'm going to chose the roll into retirement plan just for tax purposes. >>2, 100% medical, dental, and vision care coverage until I'm 65. I'm only 63. >>3. Life insurance which I'll have to contribute X dollars. >>4. 5 weeks vacation pay. >>The question I pose is outside of checking into Social Security and the less income issues are there any others things to check out or expect? >>I've been reviewing the income versus expenses very diligently for the last two years as I had planned on early retirement next year. I cut back on some like to have expenditures as well as the don't need expenditures. I'm going to really cut back on all unnecessary expenditures as I don't have a choice or alternative. Heaven forbid that I may have to start selling off my card collection which by the way I had already started to do. I'm down tomy basketball cards and few years of football. I've still got all my baseball cards yet. >>I've talked to other retirees about this and they had run into the same situation. It's going to be big adjustment period. >>What to do? What to do? I'm open to suggestions. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 08:56:18 -0800 (PST) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: A little help I'm putting togethera list of players frommy hometown of Flint,MI for my FlintStones wantlist. I am pretty sure that former Northern HighSchool track star Herb Washingtonhas a 1975 Topps #407. If someone who has that card could check the back of the card and seewhathis place of birth wasI would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:11:38 -0500 To: EEK From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help From Baseball Reference http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/washihe01.shtml On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, EEK wrote: > I'm putting together a list of players from my hometown of Flint, MI for my > FlintStones wantlist. I am pretty sure that former Northern High School > track star Herb Washington has a 1975 Topps #407. If someone who has that > card could check the back of the card and see what his place of birth wasI > would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! > "we keep what we give away!" ================= To: Earl Kilbourn Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:29:37 -0500 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help Also from baseball-reference.com http://www.baseball-reference.com/bio/MI_born.shtml (sort by birthplace) Jim Abbott 1989 1999 Flint Scott Aldred 1990 2000 Flint Steve Boros 1957 1965 Flint Jeff Hamilton 1986 1991 Flint Joe Mays 1999 2006 Flint Larry Mitchell 1996 1996 Flint Leroy Powell 1955 1957 Flint Ron Pruitt 1975 1983 Flint Merv Rettenmund 1968 1980 Flint Mickey Weston 1989 1993 Flint Windows 7: It works the way you want. Learn more. http://www.microsoft.com/Windows/windows-7/default.aspx?ocidPID24727::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WWL_WIN_evergreen:112009v2 ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:44:05 -0800 (PST) To: Bob Donaldson From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help Thanks Bob. PerhapsHerb'sfamily moved here from Mississippi which was pretty common back then given that Flint had the auto factories and was the original Motor City.I worked at Buick fresh out of high school anda lotof the older employees were from the south, many of whom spoke a far different version of English then did us natives. At any rate my next step is finding out if it's the sameHerb Washington.The time frame would fit.According to the website he was born in 1951 which would have put him in High School in the late 60's early 70's. That was the same time that Northern High's Herb Washington was breaking records in track, a few of which were still standing until just a few years "we keep what we give away!" From: Bob Donaldson To: EEK Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:11:38 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help From Baseball Reference http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/washihe01.shtml On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, EEK wrote: >I'm putting togethera list of players frommy hometown of Flint,MI for my FlintStones wantlist. I am pretty sure that former Northern HighSchool track star Herb Washingtonhas a 1975 Topps #407. If someone who has that card could check the back of the card and seewhathis place of birth wasI would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! >"we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 10:04:16 -0800 (PST) To: Bob Reed From: EEK Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help Thanks Bob, Ok, Flint Central, our cross town rivals.No wonder I couldn't find him in my Flint Northern alumni directory.Herb was a few years behind mebut I remember the headlines in the Flint Journal about him. I must have missremembered about his school. "we keep what we give away!" From: Bob Reed To: Earl Kilbourn Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:50:33 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help According the Herb's wikipedia page.... Herbert Lee Washington (born November 16, 1951 in Belzoni, Mississippi) became one of the world's most celebrated sprinters as a student-athlete at Flint Central High School and Michigan State University.[1] He went on to gain further recognition as a player for Major League Baseball's Oakland Athletics, despite his lack of previous baseball experience.[2] Here's another link that might help you... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_from_Flint,_Michigan Good luck. To: obcbobd@gmail.com CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: originaleek1@att.net Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:44:05 -0800 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help Thanks Bob. PerhapsHerb'sfamily moved here from Mississippi which was pretty common back then given that Flint had the auto factories and was the original Motor City.I worked at Buick fresh out of high school anda lotof the older employees were from the south, many of whom spoke a far different version of English then did us natives. At any rate my next step is finding out if it's the sameHerb Washington.The time frame would fit.According to the website he was born in 1951 which would have put him in High School in the late 60's early 70's. That was the same time that Northern High's Herb Washington was breaking records in track, a few of which were still standing until just a few years "we keep what we give away!" From: Bob Donaldson To: EEK Cc: OBCRamblings Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:11:38 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help From Baseball Reference http://www.baseball -reference. com/players/ w/washihe01. shtml On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, EEK wrote: >I'm putting togethera list of players frommy hometown of Flint,MI for my FlintStones wantlist. I am pretty sure that former Northern HighSchool track star Herb Washingtonhas a 1975 Topps #407. If someone who has that card could check the back of the card and seewhathis place of birth wasI would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! >"we keep what we give away!" Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:34:18 EST To: originaleek1@att.net, obcbobd@gmail.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help I am glad you had an opportunity to learn the RIGHT way to speak English... On my first trips to Cleveland, OH and Boston, MA, I couldn't understand a word they said.... Brock from Ecru, Mississippi ================= Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:43:45 -0500 To: EEK , Bob Reed From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help Herb Washington is well known in the Youngstown, Ohio area. He lives in thearea (or at least he did fairly recently) and he used to own the local McDonalds franchises (FAST food, I suppose....). He also was part owner of a minor league hockey team in Youngstown, but I'm not sure if they survived. ---- EEK wrote: > Thanks Bob, > Ok, Flint Central, our cross town rivals.No wonder I couldn't find him in my Flint Northern alumni directory.Herb was a few years behindmebut I remember the headlines in the Flint Journal about him. I must have missremembered about his school. > "we keep what we give away!" > ________________________________ > From: Bob Reed > To: Earl Kilbourn > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:50:33 PM > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help > Eek, > According the Herb's wikipedia page.... > Herbert Lee Washington (born November 16, 1951 in Belzoni, Mississippi) became one of the world's most celebrated sprinters as a student-athlete at Flint Central High School and Michigan State University.[1] He went on to gain further recognition as a player for Major League Baseball's Oakland Athletics, despite his lack of previous baseball experience.[2] > Here's another link that might help you... > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:People_from_Flint,_Michigan > Good luck. > -Bob > ________________________________ > To: obcbobd@gmail.com > CC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > From: originaleek1@att.net > Date: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:44:05 -0800 > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help > Thanks Bob. PerhapsHerb'sfamily moved here from Mississippi which was pretty common back then given that Flint had the auto factories and was the original Motor City.I worked at Buick fresh out of high school anda lotof the older employees were from the south, many ofwhom spoke a far different version of English then did us natives. > At any rate my next step is finding out if it's the sameHerb Washington.The time frame would fit.According to the website he was born in 1951 which would have put him in High School in the late 60's early 70's. That was the same time that Northern High's Herb Washington was breaking records in track, a few of which were still standing until just a few years > "we keep what we give away!" > ________________________________ > From: Bob Donaldson > To: EEK > Cc: OBCRamblings > Sent: Wed, November 18, 2009 12:11:38 PM > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] A little help > From Baseball Reference > http://www.baseball -reference. com/players/ w/washihe01. shtml > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 11:56 AM, EEK wrote: > > > > > >I'm putting togethera list of players frommy hometown of Flint,MI for my FlintStones wantlist. I am pretty sure that former Northern HighSchool track star Herb Washingtonhas a 1975 Topps #407.If someone who has that card could check the back of the card and seewhathis place of birth wasI would greatly appreciate it. Thanks! > >"we keep what we give away!" > ________________________________ > Windows 7: I wanted simpler, now it's simpler. I'm a rock star. ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:33:07 -0500 From: typecard@aol.com Subject: address update To the keeper of the address list, please update mine to be my house: Andy Cook 10987 Ryers Place Fairfax, VA 22032 I'm giving up the po box this weekend. ================= Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 20:08:16 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Anyone need this Diamond Star? I have a 1934-6 Diamond Star #82 in my dupes box. Unfortunately, it is missing the back.... If anyone wants it please let me know, Take care, ================= Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:51:05 +0000 (UTC) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Geordie Calvert Subject: Getting the vintage itch again Since going on the inactive list, I've spent way too much time messing around with modern stuff, primarily the retro type products like Heritage, Allen & Ginter & the like. I've also spent quite a bit of time updating the Brett Butler collection and starting a Butler registry on PSA (http://www.psacard.com/SetRegistry/alltimeset.aspx?s=31657 for those would like to see what that's all about). Over the past few months I decided to open up my Dodger binders and start scanning my collection. I posted a message to the ramblings server some time ago stating how much fun I was having handling my beautiful well-loved vintage cardboard. I'm still pretty short on several sets that haven't seen a bit of action in years, but one set in particular that I've made some progress on is my T206 Brooklyn Superbas set. I've picked up half a dozen or so in the last six weeks; today I received my first horizontal in the form of Harry Pattee. I attached a scan of the set in progress. 19/27, which is a lot farther than I was not too long ago. One other thing - as has happened to all of us, I ended up purchasing a card I already had; I don't know what I could have been thinking in this case, though - it wasn't like I had a ton of them sitting around. I've got an Al Burch (fielding) with both a Tolstoi and and Old Mill back. One of them has to go, so if possible I'd like to try to trade it away for one of the eight I need: Bell (pitching follow through), Bergen (catching), Burch (batting), Dahlen, Dunn, Lumley, Rucker (portrait) and Smith. ================= Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:02:29 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: FOOT to invade ChiTown for a day As of this moment Ron Perry and I plan on driving towards Chicago tonite and attend the big show all day tomorrow. I should have my cell with me: (248) 709-2235 for those that wish to meet up with us there. This was a lastminute decision as Ron just got back from a business trip to China and India Mike Rich ================= Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 06:22:34 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: 1976 ISCA Hoosier oddball remainders & found some interesting baseball recordings Hi all, Sent something to everyone who claimed so far. These guys remain: 3 - Chuck Klein (Phillies) 4 - Lou Criger (Red Sox) 6 - Billy Herman (pictured as a Cub) 12 - Carl Erskine (Dodgers) 13 - Don Larsen (pictured as Cardinal) 16 - Butch Henline (pictured in catching gear) 20 - Max Carey (pictured as Dodger manager) 21 - The Hargrave brothers (pictured as Reds and Senators) 22 - Sam Rice (Senators) 23 - Babe Adams (Pirates) 25 - Indianapolis Indians 1913 team photo 26 - Baseball collector Paul Frisz Let me know if you want any of the remaining ISCA cards. COOL AUDIO: Searching for "Paul Frisz" led to me to this collection of 88 baseball player interviews by Dr. Eugene Murdock! They're all downloadable from the library catalog. (Click a title and then "Access this item.") http://cplorg.cdmhost.com/cdm4/results.php?CISOOP1=any&CISOFIELD1=CISOSEARCHALL&CISOROOT=/p4014coll27&CISOBOX1=Interview The last one's a feature on Bobby Thomson's 1951 homer. ================= Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:25:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wmcashton" Subject: Looking for Aaron rookie card That's Hank, not Tommie. I would like a 1954 Topps #128 in fair to good condition. I have several nice possible trades including 1955 Topps #1 Ted Williams, 1923 W515-1 Babe Ruth, several of Mantles cards, and others. I'm starting on a Milwaukee Braves collection and thought I'd better get the toughest one first. Let me know if you have one to trade and I'll look at your lists and make some offers. Thanks, Bill AShton ================= Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:25:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "wmcashton" Subject: Looking for Aaron rookie card That's Hank, not Tommie. I would like a 1954 Topps #128 in fair to good condition. I have several nice possible trades including 1955 Topps #1 Ted Williams, 1923 W515-1 Babe Ruth, several of Mantles cards, and others. I'm starting on a Milwaukee Braves collection and thought I'd better get the toughest one first. Let me know if you have one to trade and I'll look at your lists and make some offers. Thanks, Bill AShton ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:45:29 -0500 From: trufan999@aol.com Subject: Rare Finds in a card store Walked into the semi local card shop to find a couple of things for my annual holiday mailings, and the shoppe owner and I have talked about our group. Well today he was given three cards that he has a chance to put on consignment for about 30% high book. They are 1938 Heads Up: Joe Dimaggio 1934 Goudy #37 Gerhig T-205 Cobb I took pics of the cards and they are in pretty good shape. Just thought I'd pass onto the group if anyone was interested. John Leroux ================= To: trufan999@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:30:37 -0500 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Rare Finds in a card store [3 Attachments The t205 cobb is a fake for sure...the gold border is wrong and too thick.I bet if you turned it over you would find a black piedmont back. I would venture to say the other two are reprints as well. -----Original Message----- From: trufan999@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sat, Nov 21, 2009 2:45 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Rare Finds in a card store [3 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from trufan999@aol.com included below] Walked into the semi local card shop to find a couple of things for my annual holiday mailings, and the shoppe owner and I have talked about our group. Well today he was given three cards that he has a chance to put on consignment for about 30% high book. They are 1938 Heads Up: Joe Dimaggio 1934 Goudy #37 Gerhig T-205 Cobb I took pics of the cards and they are in pretty good shape. Just thought I'd pass onto the group if anyone was interested. John Leroux Attachment(s) from trufan999@aol.com 3 of 3 Photo(s) ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 00:25:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: 55 topps clemente It's the last card I need to finish the set and I have been watching them on ebay for awhile and I think I'm ready to buy one. My question is I've seen some listed as reprints from the dealer,on the back stamped reprint and the ones that are totally different but is there anything I need to look forto spot a reprint that looks like the real thing front and back. I seen cards that look exactly like the orginals front and back but are still listedas a reprint what is the difference. thanks for any help. Rick ================= To: obc ramblings Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 11:20:14 -0500 From: Jimmy Parker Subject: 1966 or 1967? Feedback requested Thanks to OBC, I'm getting very close to completing my run of Topps sets from my birth year (1972) on up. I'm almost finished with the late '70s and my early '70s sets are dwindling down to high #s and high $ cards. While I've got a few '50s sets on my list (and the 1960 topps set) I'm looking to expand some into the 1960s. Looking through my cards, 1966 and 1967 seem to be the best candidate for addition to the wantlist. In the '66 set, I have a few notable cards, highlighted by Aaron, while in the '67 set I have a few notable cards, highlighted by Whitey Ford, Aaron and Mays. So, my question is which is the more attainable set in everyone's experience? The '66 has high # SPs, but the '67 has the Seaver RC and a few other high $ high #s. I don't prefer one design over the other, so that's a draw. I'll probably also add the '63T set because I have a few well-loved (understatement of the year!) cards and it's always been a favorite (even though I don't know if I'll ever finish it with the Rose RC $$ $), but I'm looking for feedback on the decision between '66 and '67. Thanks gang, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 12:07:56 EST To: catfish.obc@gmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 or 1967? Feedback requested This a great question. I have built 2 1966 sets and 3 1967 sets. I personally favor the 1967 Topps set design, but I can't really say which one is more difficult to assemble. Having distributed many 1967 Topps cards to traders in the last few months, I will say that MANY folks are still looking for 1967 SP high numbers. I am looking forward to hearing the responses from others. Take care, ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:22:47 -0500 From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re:Rare Finds in a card store I agree with Joshua. The DiMaggio and Gehrig both look very suspicious to me from the pictures. The colors don't look right at all. ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 14:37:30 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 or 1967? Feedback requested I'm gonna say the 66 set is easier. The high numbers have fewer premium cards (Tigers, McCovey and Perry are probably the three toughest) while the 67 set has quite a few more (Red Sox, Seaver, Shannon, Colavito to name a few). Plus I think the LOWER numbers are easier to come by for the 66 set as well. The 66 Mantle is also one of his more affordable cards to boot. Good luck in whatever endeavor you pursue, Ken M In a message dated 11/22/2009 11:20:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, catfish.obc@gmail.com writes: Thanks to OBC, I'm getting very close to completing my run of Topps sets from my birth year (1972) on up. I'm almost finished with the late '70s and my early '70s sets are dwindling down to high #s and high $ cards. While I've got a few '50s sets on my list (and the 1960 topps set) I'm looking to expand some into the 1960s. Looking through my cards, 1966 and 1967 seem to be the best candidate for addition to the wantlist. In the '66 set, I have a few notable cards, highlighted by Aaron, while in the '67 set I have a few notable cards, highlighted by Whitey Ford, Aaron and Mays. So, my question is which is the more attainable set in everyone's experience? The '66 has high # SPs, but the '67 has the Seaver RC and a few other high $ high #s. I don't prefer one design over the other, so that's a draw. I'll probably also add the '63T set because I have a few well-loved (understatement of the year!) cards and it's always been a favorite (even though I don't know if I'll ever finish it with the Rose RC $$$), but I'm looking for feedback on the decision between '66 and '67. Thanks gang, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 21:49:31 -0800 (PST) To: Jimmy Parker , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 or 1967? Feedback requested I feel the 66 set is easier to assmble. Both seem to have high # tough cards. I have not yet finished either. I am around 14 short on the 66 and around 100 to go on the 67. Why not collect both? John Stamper --- On Sun, 11/22/09, Jimmy Parker wrote: From: Jimmy Parker Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1966 or 1967? Feedback requested To: "obc ramblings" Date: Sunday, November 22, 2009, 8:20 AM Thanks to OBC, I'm getting very close to completing my run of Topps sets from my birth year (1972) on up. I'm almost finished with the late '70s and my early '70s sets are dwindling down to high #s and high $ cards. While I've got a few '50s sets on my list (and the 1960 topps set) I'm looking to expand some into the 1960s. Looking through my cards, 1966 and 1967 seem to be the best candidate for addition to the wantlist. In the '66 set, I have a few notable cards, highlighted by Aaron, while in the '67 set I have a few notable cards, highlighted by Whitey Ford, Aaron and Mays. So, my question is which is the more attainable set in everyone's experience? The '66 has high # SPs, but the '67 has the Seaver RC and a few other high $ high #s. I don't prefer one design over the other, so that's a draw. I'll probably also add the '63T set because I have a few well-loved (understatement of the year!) cards and it's always been a favorite (even though Idon't know if I'll ever finish it with the Rose RC $$$), but I'm looking for feedback on the decision between '66 and '67. Thanks gang, Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:43:04 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rrrlyons" Subject: opc 1968 ryan rookie ryan rookie on ebay for buy it now 200$ psa 3 ================= To: , Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 09:06:56 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] opc 1968 ryan rookie Thanks Rick! BIN'ed it for a bit less! To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rrrlyons@msn.com Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:43:04 +0000 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] opc 1968 ryan rookie ryan rookie on ebay for buy it now 200$ psa 3 Bing brings you maps, menus, and reviews organized in one place. http://www.bing.com/search?qrestaurants&formMFESRP&publWLHMTAG&creaTEXT_MFESRP_Local_MapsMenu_Resturants_1x1 ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 08:10:36 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Looking for some aesthetic advice..... I hopeful that you might be able to help me out here. Maureen has been pestering me about this year's Christmas present. She never knows what to get me, so usually I have to pick something. This year, a few of us clubbed together to buy my boss a 30" x 20" canvas print of one of his boyhood football (soccer) heroes, former Glasgow Celtic player Jimmy Johnstone. I was really impressed by the quality of the print,and thought that something similar with a baseball - particularly Tigers -theme would look good in my little computer/collection room. So this is whhat I'm going to ask Maureen to get me from Santa. So, here's where you come in. Do I go for a collage of, say,all the Tigers cards from the 1968 set or perhaps a selection of Tigers cards from over the years? Or do I stick with the simplicity a single card blown up to large size? If I go with this option, which card do you think would look good in a large format? I've only just started to think about this, but the first cards thatspring to mind are: 1968 Al Kaline, 1967 Norm Cash, 1941PB Hank Greenberg,1955B Al Kaline, 1959 or 1961 Al Kaline AS. Any other suggestions? I think if this is done right it could look really cool. Looking forward to hearing OBCs input! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: , Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 11:37:14 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some aesthetic advice..... Glenn: I'd go with the 1968 player cards and team card plus the 1969 WS From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of hoot_owl1@verizon.net Sent: Monday, November 23, 2009 11:30 To: glenncodere@yahoo.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Looking for some aesthetic advice..... I would go with a collage of Tiger HOFers and favorite players/poses--card reproductions from deadball to the present: T206 Sam Crawford and Hughie Jennings T205 Ty Cobb (or whatever you favorite Cobb image might be--even the 61 Fleer card) Goudeys and diamond stars--like the Diamond Star Greenberg. Playballs--Greenberg and Gehringer Hal Newhouser and then through the late 1950s and 1960s. I think my favorite year of tiger cards is 1967. I don't think I could personally pick just one card to be enlarged...... peter mead Nov 23, 2009 10:10:42 AM, glenncodere@ yahoo.com wrote: I hopeful that you might be able to help me out here. Maureen has been pestering me about this year's Christmas present. She never knows what to get me, so usually I have to pick something. This year, a few of us clubbed together to buy my boss a 30" x 20" canvas print of one of his boyhood football (soccer) heroes, former Glasgow Celtic player Jimmy Johnstone. I was really impressed by the quality of the print, and thought that something similar with a baseball - particularly Tigers - theme would look good in my little computer/collection room. So this is whhat I'm going to ask Maureen to get me from Santa. So, here's where you come in. Do I go for a collage of, say, all the Tigers cards from the 1968 set or perhaps a selection of Tigers cards from over the years? Or do I stick with the simplicity a single card blown up to large size? If I go with this option, which card do you think would look good in a large format? I've only just started to think about this, but the first cards that spring to mind are: 1968 Al Kaline, 1967 Norm Cash, 1941PB Hank Greenberg, 1955B Al Kaline, 1959 or 1961 Al Kaline AS. Any other suggestions? I think if this is done right it could look really cool. Looking forward to hearing OBCs input! Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 13:32:31 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Thanks for the suggestions.... Lots of great replies and ideas for my canvas art baseball card!! Thanks guys! It looks as if I've come down in favor of Mac's suggestion of going with an image of the '56T Al Kaline. It has the right combo of vintage look, action and color. I think it'll look great on a 28" x 20" canvas. There is still a problem however (and this goes for whichever card I might wish to choose). How do I get an image of a high enough resolution from an original the size of a baseball card which won't pixelate when blown up to large scale? If anyone has any advice or ideas on that front, i'd be happy to hear them? ================= To: obc ramblings Date: Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:38:22 -0500 From: Jimmy Parker Subject: '66 wins it by a hair Thanks to everyone for their input. After much deliberation, I've decided to go with the 1966 Topps set. Jimmy "Catfish" Parker ...Save the gum for me! ================= Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 04:41:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Sun Times report long ramble Ron Perry came back from a 3 week business trip to China and INdia on Thursday. He then called me and asked if I was still interested in going to Chicago for a day to attend the Sun Times show. That was more than sufficientencouragement. Ron arranged a free hotel room with his travel miles and we headed early Friday evening, so we would be there nice and early for the show on Saturday. We would have arrived at the hotel an hour or so earlier, but for I-94 being literally closed down for what turned out to be a jackknifed 18 wheeler that also looked like it ha been rammed into. Similar to Glenn's comment about the accident they witnessed, I had mentioned to Ronthat I did not mind sitting there for an hour, considering we were not in the accident ourselves. Ron also brought me back goodies from China that Imentioned on the thanks server. We showed up before the show even opened on Saturday and ran into Gary Mandell in the line to get in. We cut into line and shortly the show opened and we were in. Met Ken Goetsch for the first time. I later ran into George Vrechek. Running into George annoyed meas I had just mailed him an envelope on Friday. If I had thought about it, I would have taken it with me, in case I saw him at the show. Oh well. One of my better buys at the show were some off grade 1949 Bowman high numbers. As some of the guys know, these are extremely challenging. George isalso working on them and he grabbed 2 dupes from me that I had just bought. We missed TJ, who was there on Friday, but not Saturday. My biggest purchase of the day was from Kurt Tourdot. Kurt was not set up, but had e-mailed me that he was going to go to the show and would like him topull some stuff for me. As if, I would say no to that kind of an offer. I pciked up 3 Delongs, a 63 Post, a 63 Jell-o, a couple of 62 Jell-o (it is OK Peter, he checked your lists first), some early Kahn's BB, and a 62 Post BB Joey Jay blue line variation to complete that set with the major variations, etc. Pat was working Kevin Savage's table as always, but Kevin had to leave forsome emergency. My first purchase of the day and picked up a Sports King.I picked up a pair of U3 BB Matchbook cover Tigers from the Johnston Brothers, a Red Heart, a few T-206s and a pair of FB Kahn's from Ron Estes, a Butterfinger from self proclaimed OBC friendly dealers A to Z cards. I disappointed Greg Fisher of Cameo Cards by not agreeing to buy some non-sport cards to distribute to the group. Greg is really hurting, both physically and financially, so if ayone wants some olde non-sports, I encourage you to e-mail Strangest pick up was 1953 Johnston Cookies. I only needed Spahn and Mathews to complete this set of 25. I ended up buying a complete set, so now I am 2 shy of a dupe set. I would love to swap these extras for something similar like 1954, 1955 Johnston Cookies, Lake to Lake, etc. I ended up with approximately 73 hits to 37 sets, so you can tell there were not a lot of group purchases. Other than a group of 1967 Pirate Coke caps (needed 6 to get me over 1/2 way on my 2nd weakest team from 1967 Coke), I bought a few small groups of Red Man cards, including some with tabs, anda group of 1956 Quaker Sports Oddities, there were just individual purchases. A very rare show that I did not end up with lots of dupes. The newestcards I picked up were from 1971 (a Kellogg's variation and a pair of Bazooka BB) and the oldest were from the 1909 era of T-206, T-218 and T-219. Idid get a hit to my once a year set of 1935 National Chicle FB. For thosethat do not recall I try to get at least one a year of this 36 card set. I am now down to 12, but most are the high numbers. Only 2 sets finished, the 62 Post BB with major variations and the Johnston Cookies. For a 1 day show, it turned out well. Mike Rich ================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 02:58:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "ricktopps" Subject: A very interesting 1972 Topps high number football lot I rarely do this, but a very unusual and interesting item just came up in e-Bay buy it now. I also apologize as I realize it is not baseball. but it should be of interest to many in the group. http://cgi.ebay.com/1972-Topps-Football-Hi-Uncut-Sheet-RARE-Namath-HOFers_W0QQitemZ350284134470QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Football?hashitem518e8fb846 It is a poor condition sheet of 44 of the high number 1972 Topps football cards. These are very hard to get and the Namath, Spurrier and Butkus cardsmake this a truly unique item. These cards are hard to come by for less than $10 each even when only in good condition. These cards are less than good, but at a little over $2 a card it is an interesting item. If some does buy it let me know. I thought long and hard, but chose not to spend the money. Rick Johnson ================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 10:33:58 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Bob Donaldson Subject: Place to buy misc size card sheets I'm looking to buy some one and two pocket card sheets. Does anyone know a good place to buy online? ================= Date: Wed, 25 Nov 2009 12:17:50 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Who collects Wheaties cards (other than me) As many of you know, I have a fetish for Wheaties memorabilia, especially sports related. I've recently picked up some duplicates of a few of the Wheaties cards of the 30's and 40's. The ones that were the back of the box. As duplicates take up space, and do me no good, I started looking for others who collect them and wasn't very successful at the website. I only have a few, but if anyone wants one for a team set, type set, or any other reason, let me know. Usual rules apply--those I owe get first dibs, after that, first come, first served. ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:09:51 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business itself.) ================= To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 10:29:51 -0500 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Matthew included below] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business itself.) Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:45:43 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments From: "Wite3@aol.com" To: obc_spike@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 3:29:51 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Matthew included below] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business itself.) Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:00:51 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report Content-Language: en I hate to say it, but I think buying ungraded mega-star cards from the real vintage sets is a big mistake. More and more, these are coming in as fake. I hate to think how many fakes I may actually have. I love it on ebay when a 52 mantle is being sold as real but ungraded. Like the seller wont spend the $50 to get another couple $$ thousand of value? Yeah, right! Had an interesting experience at the Sun Times show last weekend. Uncle Dick DeCourcy had offered me an ungraded 52 Mantle via phone several weeks ago, and we agreed to meet up at the show. He emailed me a scan, and there was something very fishy. I told him I would do it if he got it graded as no worse than authentic. Turns out that it was an original Mantle, except for the borders and, of all things, the eyes. The original had been trimmed, plus the eyes had been scratched out. Someone painstakingly cut borders off of another 52 and somehow attached it to the original card. Did the same thing with what must have been a great reprint for the eyes. We cant figure out how the work was done as there is no evidence of glue or tape, but the card came back as altered. At $1,800, I was still tempted, but I would always know it was part fake, so I took a pass. Not sure if it sold or not, but you may want to contact Dick if you think you might be interested. Tell him I sent you. I did pick up a 52 Mathews (a wonderful PSA Grade 1) from Dick, so I am down to a single card, the "holy grail" to complete my non-variation 52-09 topps run! Also knocked out the red/black 52 variations with the Johnny Sain black back Joe Page error. Down to about a half dozen 53 bio variations. Great to see Mike Rich, Ron Perry (the best bargain finder/negotiator in the world!), Ken Goetsch and George Vrechek. Sorry to have missed TJ, who was there on Friday. Kurt Tourdot, Uncle Dick DeCourcy, Ron Estes and the A to Z Comics brothers from Detroit took up most of my time. Knocked out a lot of 50s Bowmans, 3 of the 5 '71 Kelloggs I needed (Kaline and Grabarkewicz left) and a few UV sets took big hits. Next to National, I think this may be the best show Most importantly, a safe and wonderful Happy Thanksgiving to you and your Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/26/2009 9:30:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com writes: I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 [_Attachment(s)_ (mip://04805618/default.html#TopText) from Matthew included below] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/attachments/folder/648720593/item/224431108/view) (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/attachments/folder/648720593/item/224431108/view) (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/attachments/folder/648720593/item/1011782768/view) (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/attachments/folder/648720593/item/1011782768/view) ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:13:05 -0500 From: ricktopps@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report My collection has moved to the point now where there are no longer cheap commons to look for. I am now settling in on some more expensive big name cards from the Goudey era. The whole idea of possibly buying fakes is causing me to seriously slow down my buying to the point that I am barely addinganything new to my connection. I too am beginning to buy low grade PSA cards (PSA 1 and PSA 2) in order to better insure authenticity. I know that even this is imperfect, but it is certainly better than knowing nothing about the card. The funny thing is that even among the commons there can be asmall amount of variation in the print quality and "feel of the card". Ifyou look at 20 cards of any player from a set like the 1969 Topps set it is obvious that the cards aren't exactly the same. Obviously these commons are not reprints and it makes it even more confusing. Rick Johnson -----Original Message----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 10:00 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report I hate to say it, but I think buying ungraded mega-star cards from the realvintage sets is a big mistake. More and more, these are coming in as fake. I hate to think how many fakes I may actually have. I love it on ebay when a 52 mantle is being sold as real but ungraded. Like the seller wont spend the $50 to get another couple $$ thousand of value? Yeah, right! Had an interesting experience at the Sun Times show last weekend. Uncle Dick DeCourcy had offered me an ungraded 52 Mantle via phone several weeks ago, and we agreed to meet up at the show. He emailed me a scan, and there was something very fishy. I told him I would do it if he got it graded as no worse than authentic. Turns out that it was an original Mantle, except for the borders and, of all things, the eyes. The original had been trimmed, plus the eyes had been scratched out. Someone painstakingly cut borders off of another 52 and somehow attached it to the original card. Did the same thing with what must have been a great reprint for the eyes. We cant figure out how the work was done as there is no evidence of glue ortape, but the card came back as altered. At $1,800, I was still tempted, but I would always know it was part fake, so I took a pass. Not sure if it sold or not, but you may want to contact Dick if you think you might be interested. Tell him I sent you. I did pick up a 52 Mathews (a wonderful PSA Grade 1) from Dick, so I am down to a single card, the "holy grail" to complete my non-variation 52-09 topps run! Also knocked out the red/black 52 variations with the Johnny Sain black back Joe Page error. Down to about a half dozen 53 bio variations. Great to see Mike Rich, Ron Perry (the best bargain finder/negotiator in the world!), Ken Goetsch and George Vrechek. Sorry to have missed TJ, who was there on Friday. Kurt Tourdot, Uncle Dick DeCourcy, Ron Estes and the A to Z Comics brothersfrom Detroit took up most of my time. Knocked out a lot of 50s Bowmans, 3of the 5 '71 Kelloggs I needed (Kaline and Grabarkewicz left) and a few UVsets took big hits. Next to National, I think this may be the best show around. Most importantly, a safe and wonderful Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family! Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/26/2009 9:30:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Matthew included below] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to myset, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) ================= To: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:28:28 -0500 From: richard dingman Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report Great story, thanks for sharing it. Certainly gives one pause ... Happy holiday. Richard D To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:00:51 -0500 Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report I hate to say it, but I think buying ungraded mega-star cards from the realvintage sets is a big mistake. More and more, these are coming in as fake. I hate to think how many fakes I may actually have. I love it on ebay when a 52 mantle is being sold as real but ungraded. Like the seller wont spend the $50 to get another couple $$ thousand of value? Yeah, right! Had an interesting experience at the Sun Times show last weekend. Uncle Dick DeCourcy had offered me an ungraded 52 Mantle via phone several weeks ago, and we agreed to meet up at the show. He emailed me a scan, and there was something very fishy. I told him I would do it if he got it graded as no worse than authentic. Turns out that it was an original Mantle, except for the borders and, of all things, the eyes. The original had been trimmed, plus the eyes had been scratched out. Someone painstakingly cut borders off of another 52 and somehow attached it to the original card. Did the same thing with what must have been a great reprint for the eyes. We cant figure out how the work was done as there is no evidence of glue ortape, but the card came back as altered. At $1,800, I was still tempted, but I would always know it was part fake, so I took a pass. Not sure if it sold or not, but you may want to contact Dick if you think you might be interested. Tell him I sent you. I did pick up a 52 Mathews (a wonderful PSA Grade 1) from Dick, so I am down to a single card, the "holy grail" to complete my non-variation 52-09 topps run! Also knocked out the red/black 52 variations with the Johnny Sain black back Joe Page error. Down to about a half dozen 53 bio variations. Great to see Mike Rich, Ron Perry (the best bargain finder/negotiator in the world!), Ken Goetsch and George Vrechek. Sorry to have missed TJ, who was there on Friday. Kurt Tourdot, Uncle Dick DeCourcy, Ron Estes and the A to Z Comics brothersfrom Detroit took up most of my time. Knocked out a lot of 50s Bowmans, 3of the 5 '71 Kelloggs I needed (Kaline and Grabarkewicz left) and a few UVsets took big hits. Next to National, I think this may be the best show around. Most importantly, a safe and wonderful Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family! Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/26/2009 9:30:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments] [Attachment(s) from Matthew included below] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business itself.) Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 11:38:04 EST To: Ricktopps@aol.com, Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report This is an interesting topic. I recently discovered that my 1933 Goudey set has a fake in it -- the #181 Ruth. I don't know what I paid for it, but I am sure I wasted enough money to have been able to buy all graded (psa 2 or 3) cards for all the HOFer's in the set. My T205 set is almost all graded, mostly SGC, mostly 30 to 40's, because I found so many of the T205's to be trimmed or the gold borders touched up. My 1952 Topps set, including my Mantle, is ungraded, because I put it together when I was violently opposed to graded cards. My conclusion has become that the price premiums are in the PSA 5 and above cards. PSA 2-4's prove authenticity and are worth the price for high dollar cards. On another note, except for Beckett, PSA and SGC, I don't think you trust the grading at all. Roger Neufeldt tells me that even the more reputable graders give high volume customers more leeway on their cards. Don't worry, I am not anywhere close to sending cards in to be graded, I just think that if you are buying higher value cards, it is worthwhile to consider lower condition, but graded cards. I still break open many of the cases, and save the grading tab on some cards so they will fit in my binders. For ones that I leave intact, I just use four pocket pages to store them in the binders. Happy Thanksgiving, ================= To: , Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:37:54 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments I have some reprint PBs and the word reprint is higher up on them than the scratch on yours. I think it looks pretty good. You might want to post it on the net54 board. Good luck From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Wite3@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 10:30 AM To: obc_spike@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 [Attachment(s) from Matthew included below] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) JoeDfront.jpg JoeDfront.jpg JoeDback.jpg JoeDback.jpg ================= To: , Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:43:44 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report Grading no. authentication yes. When buying a big $$$ on ebay seeing thatSGC or PSA has graded it gives piece of mind that it=E2=99s not a reprint. I don=E2=99t really care for getting a specific grade and don=E2=99t understand paying $ 5-10 a card so someone can tell you it=E2=99s vg vs. vg/ex, but if I=E2=99m going to pay $100=E2=99s (which I=E2=99ve only done a handful of times) knowing that it=E2=99s authentic it is worth it. From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 11:01 AM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report I hate to say it, but I think buying ungraded mega-star cards from the realvintage sets is a big mistake. More and more, these are coming in as fake. I hate to think how many fakes I may actually have. I love it on ebay when a 52 mantle is being sold as real but ungraded. Like the seller wont spend the $50 to get another couple $$ thousand of value? Yeah, right! Had an interesting experience at the Sun Times show last weekend. Uncle Dick DeCourcy had offered me an ungraded 52 Mantle via phone several weeks ago, and we agreed to meet up at the show. He emailed me a scan, and there was something very fishy. I told him I would do it if he got it graded as no worse than authentic. Turns out that it was an original Mantle, except for the borders and, of all things, the eyes. The original had been trimmed, plus the eyes had been scratched out. Someone painstakingly cut borders off of another 52 and somehow attached it to the original card. Did the same thing with what must have been a great reprint for the eyes. We cant figure out how the work was done as there is no evidence of glue ortape, but the card came back as altered. At $1,800, I was still tempted, but I would always know it was part fake, so I took a pass. Not sure if it sold or not, but you may want to contact Dick if you think you might be interested. Tell him I sent you. I did pick up a 52 Mathews (a wonderful PSA Grade 1) from Dick, so I am down to a single card, the "holy grail" to complete my non-variation 52-09 topps run! Also knocked out the red/black 52 variations with the Johnny Sain black back Joe Page error. Down to about a half dozen 53 bio variations. Great to see Mike Rich, Ron Perry (the best bargain finder/negotiator in the world!), Ken Goetsch and George Vrechek. Sorry to have missed TJ, who was there on Friday. Kurt Tourdot, Uncle Dick DeCourcy, Ron Estes and the A to Z Comics brothersfrom Detroit took up most of my time. Knocked out a lot of 50s Bowmans, 3of the 5 '71 Kelloggs I needed (Kaline and Grabarkewicz left) and a few UVsets took big hits. Next to National, I think this may be the best show around. Most importantly, a safe and wonderful Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family! Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 OCT, OBC, DT, TB In a message dated 11/26/2009 9:30:56 A.M. Central Standard Time, Wite3@aol.com I am pretty sure it is a fake...the word reprint is scratched off the back just to the left of the copyright line. Sorry... -----Original Message----- From: Matthew To: obc ramblings Sent: Thu, Nov 26, 2009 6:09 am Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments] [ Attachment(s) from Matthew includedbelow] First, I'll say Happy Thanksgiving to all OBCers, domestic and international. Things are foggy today in Boston, but that never stopped the turkey before! I recently picking up an ungraded 1941 DiMaggio, which is not only a great card, but also the set killer. There are lots of fake Play Balls are out there, though, so I want to be as sure as possible. When compared to my set, the paper seems OK. Corners are rounded, enough so that they could be faked. I found others in my set that match up, so I'm less worried now. I'd appreciate people checking the scans and pointing out any areas of concern, as I have a few days to return it. (It came from Sports Cards of Virginia Beach, who have a good eBay rep--not sure about the store/business itself.) Attachment(s) from Matthew 2 of 2 Photo(s) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/attachments/folder/648720593/item/224431108/view http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-Ramblings/attachments/folder/648720593/item/1011782768/view ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 13:51:08 EST To: obcbobd@gmail.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report Are you willing to buy an A card that has been trimmed, etc, or do you only buy actual graded cards? ================= To: Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:09:41 -0500 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report The graded cards I've bought (gotten a handful more in trade) have been PSA1 Goudey Ruth PSA1 Goudey Gehrig PSA2 T202 Cobb SGC 30 T205 Speaker SGC 20 T206 Johnson SGCA T206 Matty All cards I bought on online and the graded was a plus in that I knew the cards were authentic. As to the SGC A Matty, its one of the nicest cards I own. I'm guessing it's slightly trimed, but that doesn't bother me too much, as it is not noticeable to my naked eye. Two cards I really want to get are the T200 Boston AL and a National Game Wagner. Unless buying from someone I know, I will probably go with graded due to concerns about reprints. From: Brockhattox@cs.com [mailto:Brockhattox@cs.com] Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 1:51 PM To: obcbobd@gmail.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report Are you willing to buy an A card that has been trimmed, etc, or do you only buy actual graded cards? ================= Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2009 19:21:56 EST To: obcbobd@gmail.com, Brockhattox@cs.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report [1 Attachment] I know some will cringe, but on the very rare occasion that I have received a graded card I have surgically removed it from whatever plastic prison it was in. Since I keep everything in binders I do throw the grading slip in the sleeve with the card. There are 7 people in the room with me watching the Cowboys roll over the Raiders. They are all asleep. aaah Tryptiphan. ================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 06:05:24 +0000 (UTC) To: biggies@aol.com From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report No cringing at all. Trading cards were meant to be held and enjoyed. Releasing them from their plastic tombs is a noble and worthwhile practice that I regularly participate in. I too save the grading slip just for "kicks and giggles" in the binder and have many examples in my collection that have been "liberated". Proud to be a "rouge" cardboard "freedom rider" - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: biggies@aol.com To: obcbobd@gmail.com, Brockhattox@cs.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:21:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times I know some will cringe, but on the very rare occasion that I have receiveda graded card I have surgically removed it from whatever plastic prison itwas in. Since I keepeverything in binders I do throw the grading slip inthe sleeve with the card. There are 7 peoplein the room with me watching the Cowboys roll over the Raiders. They are all asleep. aaah Tryptiphan. I know some will cringe, but on the very rare occasion that I have receiveda graded card I have surgically removed it from whatever plastic prison itwas in. Since I keepeverything in binders I do throw the grading slip inthe sleeve with the card. There are 7 peoplein the room with me watching the Cowboys roll over the Raiders. They are all asleep. aaah Tryptiphan. ================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 08:47:04 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Fwd: Huggins and Scott Auctions Bidding Begins TODAY! This Huggins and Scott auction has some large lots of off-condition cards. You might especially take a look at Lot #437. ================= Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 13:19:29 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments Thanks for kicking in opinions, everyone--it's valuable to hear all the points raised. I'll post the scans to Net54, too. FWIW, I do own several graded cards, mostly from sets rare enough that the slabs are easier to come by. (1969 Supers, E96, etc.) The concept of "authentic" vs. "fake" is useful to me, while VG/EX/NM grades don't mean much. At least we have the "A" option now. From: Bob Donaldson To: obc_spike@yahoo.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thu, November 26, 2009 1:37:54 PM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Authenticity question on 1941 DiMaggio [2 Attachments I have some reprint PBs and the word reprint is higher up on them than the scratch on yours. I think it looks pretty good. You might want to post it on the net54 board. Good luck ================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 00:00:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "brightair" Subject: westchester card show Anyone going to the show this weekend? I hope to be there Sunday. My cell is 413-695-1303. Richard Dingman ================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 16:56:19 +0000 (UTC) To: talbot1@comcast.net From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times report I'm loving this thread. During the last few weeks, I have been bidding on PSA1's of the 35 Goudey set, hoping to add a few to the collection and post a set wantlist. Well, I hit paydirt early last week, winning card 9C - a PSA1 for the lump sum of 5 dollars. This baby arrived in plastic yesterday and I will be setting it free later tonight. I have only had two other PSA cardsin my collection. Both were set free from the plastic. Inever thought about keeping the label. Maybe I will with this one, just for conversation sakes. SET THEM FREE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! T.J. Valacak OBC member since August 2005 http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: talbot1@comcast.net To: biggies@aol.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obcbobd@gmail.com, Brockhattox@cs.com Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 12:05:24 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times No cringing at all. Trading cards were meant to be held and enjoyed. Releasing them from their plastic tombs is a noble and worthwhile practice that I regularly participate in. I too save the grading slip just for "kicks and giggles" in the binder and have many examples in my collection that have been "liberated". Proud to be a "rouge" cardboard "freedom rider" - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK ----- Original Message ----- From: biggies@aol.com To: obcbobd@gmail.com, Brockhattox@cs.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 26, 2009 7:21:56 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Graded? A necessary evil! Sun Times I know some will cringe, but on the very rare occasion that I have receiveda graded card I have surgically removed it from whatever plastic prison itwas in. Since I keepeverything in binders I do throw the grading slip inthe sleeve with the card. There are 7 peoplein the room with me watching the Cowboys roll over the Raiders. They are all asleep. aaah Tryptiphan. I know some will cringe, but on the very rare occasion that I have receiveda graded card I have surgically removed it from whatever plastic prison itwas in. Since I keepeverything in binders I do throw the grading slip inthe sleeve with the card. There are 7 peoplein the room with me watching the Cowboys roll over the Raiders. They are all asleep. aaah Tryptiphan. ================= Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 22:23:13 +0000 (UTC) To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, Ramblings , From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Topps Want List Hello All, It has been probably a year since I have posted a list soit's high time to do so. This thing is LONG!!! Well it=E2=99s been some time since I put together a TOPPS list and I amquite pleased to report that the `51 - `80 quest has certainly made progress. I currently need just (202) cards to complete the quest which isjust an incredible testament to the generocity of the traders I have dealtwith over the past decade. With that in mind, I would like to get below 200 by the end of the year and I know that the list is near impossiblebut in the hope of getting (3) more hits by December 31 st =E2=93 here is the list: Mark Talbot =E2=99s TOPPS BASEBALL QUEST (`51-`80 base sets - 202 to go) 1951 TOPPS RED BACKS (7) 5, 22, 36 (CHI), 38, 50, 52a, 52b. 1951 TOPPS BLUE BACKS (35) 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 13, 16, 17, 18, 20, 21, 22, 24, 26, 27, 29, 33, 34,37, 39, 40, 41, 43, 44, 45, 46, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52. 1951 TOPPS TEAMS (10) 1) Red Sox, 2) Dodgers, 3) White Sox, 4) Reds, 5) Giants, 6) Athletics, 7) Phillies, 8) Cardinals, 9) Senators 1952 TOPPS (95) 261(Mays), 311(Mantle), 312(Robinson), 313, 314(Campanella), 315, 316, 317,318, 319, 320, 321, 322, 323, 324, 325, 326, 327, 328, 329, 330, 331, 332,333(Reese), 334, 335, 336, 337, 338, 339, 340, 341, 342, 343, 344, 345, 347, 348, 349, 350, 351, 352, 353, 354, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 364, 365, 366, 367, 368, 369, 370, 371, 372, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 379, 380, 381, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 387, 389, 390, 392(Wilhelm), 393, 394, 395, 396, 397, 398, 399, 400(Dickey), 401, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406 and 407(Mathews). 1953 TOPPS (12) 1 (J.Robinson), 76 (Reese), 82 (Mantle), 147, 220 (Paige), 244 (Mays), 257,258 (Gilliam RC), 263 (Podres RC), 274, 276 and 280 (Boiling - last card). B Black Bio on back W White Bio on back 1954 TOPPS - Complete 1955 TOPPS (8) 2 (Williams), 50 (J.Robinson), 164 (Clemente), 166 (Bauer), 187 (Hodges), 194 (Mays), 198 (Berra) and 210 (Snider). 1956 TOPPS (3) 33, 110, 135. 1957 TOPPS (12) 302 (Koufax) and 328 (B.Roby). plus NNO2 (Checklist 1/2 Blony), NNO3 (Checklist 2/3 Boozoka), NNO5 (3/4 Checklists Boozoka), NNO6 (3/4 Checklist Blony), NNO7 (4/5 Checklists Boozoka), NNO8 (4/5 Checklist Blony), NNO10 (Contest May 25), NNO11 (Contest June 22), NNO12 (Contest July 19), NNO13 (Lucky Penny). 1958 TOPPS - Complete 1959 TOPPS - Complete 1960 TOPPS (1) 563 ( Mantle AS ). 1961 TOPPS (7) 417 (Marichal), 475 (Mantle MVP), 516B (Umpires feet cut off at dirt baseline), 563 (Cerv), 572 ( B.Roby AS ), 578 ( Mantle AS ), 580 ( Kaline AS ). 1962 TOPPS - Complete 1962 Topps Green Tints - Complete 1963 TOPPS (3) 200 (Mantle), 300 (Mays) and 537 (Rose RC). 1964 TOPPS - Complete 1964 TOPPS COINS - Complete 1965 TOPPS - Complete 1966 TOPPS (9) 517B (529 W.Sox Rookies) 526 (Twins Team), 540 (McLain), 547 (Clarke), 562 (Snyder), 577 (Lamabe), 583 (Tiger Team), 589 (Klimchock) and 598 (G.Perry). 1967 TOPPS Pin-up Posters - Complete 1968 TOPPS - Complete 1968 TOPPS GAME CARDS - Complete 1969 TOPPS - Complete 1969 TOPPS DECKLE EDGE - Complete 1970 TOPPS BOOKLETS - Complete 1970 TOPPS POSTERS- Complete 1970 TOPPS SCRATCHOFFS (white centers) - Complete 1970 TOPPS SUPER - Complete 1971 TOPPS - Complete 1971 TOPPS COINS - Complete 1971 TOPPS SCRATCHOFFS (red centers) - Complete 1972 TOPPS - Complete 1973 TOPPS - Complete 1974 TOPPS - Complete 1975 TOPPS - Complete 1975 TOPPS (mini) - Complete 1976 TOPPS - Complete 1977 TOPPS - Complete 1979 TOPPS - Complete 1980 TOPPS - Complete Now for those who still want to help here is a listing of upgrades and variations that I=E2=99m on the lookout for. This list is always changing as I addadditional variation cards from time to time. Thanks for looking, here=E2=99s the list: TOPPS BASEBALL QUEST UPGRADES & VARIATIONS (`51-`80 base sets - 266 to go =E2=93 91 variations and 175 upgrades) 1951 TOPPS RED BACKS (upgrade to VG+ or better) (8) 7, 8, 16, 19, 24, 31, 36 (PHI) and 45 1951 TOPPS BLUE BACKS (upgrade to VG or better) (4) 19, 23, 25, 30. 1952 TOPPS VARIATION (any condition) (16) 1, 11(Rizzuto), 48A, 48B, 49B, 67. 9, 14, 30, 33(Spahn), 36(Hodges), 43, 48(Page w/Sain back), 49A(Sain), 49B (Sain w/Page back), 80. 1952 TOPPS (upgrade to VG+ or better) (29) 1 - Red, 2 - Red, 3 - Black, 5 - Black, 10 - Black, 11 - Red, 12 - Black, 13 - Red, 15 - Black, 20 - Red, 22 - Black, 26 - Black, 35 - Red, 37 - Red, 44 - Red, 49 - Black, 56 - Black, 57 - Black, 73 - Black, 88, 173, 233, 237, 246, 258, 263, 268, 277, 292. 1953 TOPPS VARIATIONS (any condition) (29) 10W, 61B, 72B, 86B, 95B, 96B, 101B, 105B, 106W, 113B, 114B, 118W, 119B, 121B, 122B, 125B, 135W, 142B, 145B, 146B, 147W, 147B, 149B, 151W, 155B, 162B, 163B, 164B, 165B. B Black Bio on back W White Bio on back 1953 TOPPS - (upgrade to VG+ or better) (29) 43, 44W, 54, 75, 86W, 93W, 114W, 116B, 117B, 121W, 124B, 129W, 134B, 144B, 149W, 150W, 154B, 158B, 191, 223, 228, 237, 240, 243, 254, 269, 272, 273 and 1954 TOPPS - (upgrade to VG/EX or better) (5) 30 (Mathews), 90 (Mays), 128 (Aaron), 132 (Lasorda) and 201 (Kaline). 1955 TOPPS (Upgrade to VG or better) (4) 28, 123, 163, 193. 1956 TOPPS Back Variations - (any condition) (13) 5 (G-w/green line above name), 30 (W), 79 (W), 100 (name far left white back), 101 (W), 113 (W), 131 (W), 145 (W), 150 (W) and 164 (W), 187 (thin yellow line above name), 240 (thin red line above name), 240 (thin yellow line above W White stock; G Gray Stock 1956 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (14) 5 (G), 5 (W), 6 (G), 31 (W), 117 (W), 130 (G), 142 (W), 155 (W), 166 (G), 166 (W), 172 (W), 200, 251, 332. 1957 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (13) 2 (Berra), 35 (F.Roby), 40 (Wynn), 55 (Banks), 76 (Clemente), 95 (Mantle), 117 (Adcock), 130 (Newcombe), 275 (Indians), 307 (Phillips), 312 (Kubek), 319 (Cimoli) and 400 (Dodgers Sluggers). 1958 TOPPS VARIATIONS (any condition) (13) 2YT (Lemon), 23YN (Tuttle), 30YN (Aaron), 46YN (Sleater), 52YT (Clemente), 58YT (Schult), 65YN (McDaniel), 70YN (Kaline), 76YT (Farrell), 77YT (Zimmer), 79YT (Williams), 81YT (Boros), 85YT (Aparicio). 1958 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (12) 1 (Williams), 19 (unmarked), 47 (Marris), 53B, 101B, 150 (Mantle), 187 (Koufax), 230, 295, 307, 320 and 351. 1959 TOPPS Variations (VG or better) (1) 202W (Maris). Note: W White Back, G Grey Back. 1959 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (7) 20, 48, 220G, 248G, 251W, 461 (Mantle HL), 514 (Gibson). Note: W White Back, G Grey Back. 1960 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (4) 28, 475, 534 and 565. 1961 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (8) 290, 388, 415, 516 - unmarked, 534, 573, 575 and 585. 1962 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (6) 200, 425, 530, 545, 550 and 554. 1963 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (6) 340, 473, 525, 545, 550 and 566. 1964 TOPPS - (upgrade to EX or better) (1) 331 ( AL Bombers). 1965 TOPPS - (upgrade to EXMT or better) (2) 260 and 488. 1966 TOPPS - (upgrade to EXMT or better) (2) 544 and 574. 1967 TOPPS VARIATIONS (EX or better) (6) 26 (No trade mentioned), 45 (Team is Yankees), 103 (Unmarked - #170 D McAuliffe w/o a period), 128 (Spezio - bat through the name), 374A (incomplete stats on back), 402A (incomplete stat line) 1968 TOPPS VARIATIONS (EX or better) (4) 179 (Sentence "Bill was used sparingly but still..." not on back), 258 (1968 Rookie Stars in orange), 400 (White team name) and 518 (unmarked - variation w/#539 listed as Maj.Lea.Rookies) 1968 TOPPS (Upgrades to EX or better) (3) 67 (unmarked - variation w/Copyright "C" between 1 & 0), 247 and 490. 1969 TOPPS WHITE LETTER VARIATIONS (EX or better) (4) 454 (Phillies RC), 468 (Pirates RC), 493 (Parker) and 500 (Mantle). 1969 TOPPS VARIATIONS (EX or better) (1) 77 (Airbrushing 6mm in length). 1969 TOPPS (Upgrades to EX or better) (1) 500 (Mantle). 1970 TOPPS VARIATIONS (Ex or better) (5) 9 (unmarked)- bat touches the top border, 70 - (A) in American League on back partilly missing (upgrade), 198 - Topps 198 on back, 412 - Stray yellow line above cartoon on back, 666 - Ht. on back clearly printed or parti all y 1970 TOPPS (Upgrade to EX or better) (1) 1973 TOPPS - (upgrade to EXMT or better) (1) 257-dark pale. 1973 TOPPS BLUE TEAM LIST VARIATIONS (VG+ or better - upgrades w/no writing) w/1* - Boston (upgrade), Cincinnati , Montreal (upgrade), NY Mets, NY Yankees(upgrade). w/2** - Atlanta(upgrade), Baltimore(upgrade), California(upgrade), Cleveland(upgrade), Detroit, Kansas City, NY Mets(upgrade), NY Yankees, St. Louis, Texas(upgrade). And now for the insert and =E2=9Coddb all =E2=9D TOPPS issues, here are some additional items I=E2=99m looking for: TOPPS INSERT & =E2=9CODDBALL=E2=9D SETS 1955 TOPPS Double-Headers (any condition) I HAVE 11/12, 33/34, 63/64, 81/82 and 91/92. 1961 Topps Magic Rub-offs (any condition) Yanks, Senators, Red Sox, Angels, Orioles, White Sox, Indians, Pirates, Dodgers, Redlegs, Cardinals, Braves, Romano, Moore , Banks, Dotteer, Martin, Mass-upgrade, Runnels, Gordon, Howard, Lown, Herrera. 1961 Topps Stamps - (VG or better) Dick Ellsworth, Billy Williams, Gene Freese, Jerry Lynch, Jim O'Toole-up, Frank Robinson-up, John Roseboro, Joe Adcock, Wes Covington, Joey Jay, Warren Spahn, Tony Curry, Bobby DelGreco, Hal Smith(Pirates), Bill Virdon, Julian Javier, Lindy McDaniel, Stan Musial, Marv Breeding, Milt Pappas, Gus Triandos, Gary Geiger, Vic Wertz, Carl Yaztrzemski, Roy Sievers, Tito Francona,Jim Perry, Frank Bolling, Frank Lary, Dave Sisler, Whitey Herzog, Marv Throneberry, Ned Garver, Harmon Killebrew, Camilo Pasqual, Luis Arroyo, Yogi Berra, Clete Boyer, Whitey Ford, Tony Kubek-up, Mickey Mantle, Roger Maris, Dale 1962 Topps Baseb all Bucks (VG or better) Aaron, Adcock, Altman, Archer, Ashburn, Banks, Battey, Bell, Berra, Boyer, Brandt, Bunning, Burdette, Cardwell, Cash, Cepeda, Clemente, Colavito, Cottier, Craig, Demeter, Drysdale, Farrell, Ford, Fox, Francona, Friend, Gentile, Green, Groat, Held, Hoak, Hodges, E.Howard, F.Howard, Howser, Hunt, Jackson, Jay, Kaline, Killebrew, Koufax, Kuenn, Landis, Lary, Lumpe, Mahaffey, Malzone, Mantilla, Mantle, Maris, Mathews, Mays, McBride, Miller, Minoso, Moon, Musial, O=E2=99Connell, O=E2=99Toole, Pascual, Perry, Piers all , Pinson, Pizzaro, Podres, Power, Ramos, B.Roby, F.Roby, Romano, Schw all ,Sieburn, Sievers, Smith, Spahn, Stewart, Taylor, Thomas, Wagner, Walker, Williams, Woodling, Wynn, Yaz. 1962 Topps Stamps - (VG or better) Landis, Perry, Phillips, Posada, Ramos, Edwards, Aspromonte, Shantz, Smith,Spencer, Hook, Landrith, W all s. 1963 TOPPS Stick On Inserts (VG or better) Aaron, Aparicio, Banks, Boyer, Clemente, Cepeda, Colavito-upgrade, Drysdale, Jackson, Kaline, Koufax, Mantle, Mays, Musial, Pascual-upgrade, Richardson-upgrade, B. Roby, Frank Roby, Rodgers, Spahn, Terry, Thomas, White-upgrade, 1964 TOPPS COINS (UPGRADE to EX or better - No rust) 1, 2, 5, 17, 22, 24, 33, 42, 52, 58, 70, 78, 79, 86, 88, 97 and 107. 1964 TOPPS GIANTS (EX or better) 3 (Koufax), 45 (Causey) and 51 (Mays). 1964 TOPPS STAND-UPS (EX or better) 1 AARON, 3 ALTMAN, 4 ALVIS, 5 ASPROMONTE, 6 BALDSCHUN (SP), 7 BANKS, 8 BARBER, 9 BOYER, 13 CASH (SP) -upgrade, 15 CEPEDA, 16 CHARLES, 17 CLEMENTE, 18 CLENDENON (SP), 19 COLAVITO, 20 CULP, 22 DRYSDALE (SP), 23 ELLSWORTH, 26 FRIEND, 27 GENTILE, 28 GONDER (SP), 29 GONZALEZ (SP), 30 GROAT-upgrade, 33 HOWARD ELSTON, 34 HOWARD FRANK (SP), 35 HUNT, 38 KALINE, 39 KILLEBREW, 40 KOUFAX, 41 LOCK (SP), 42 LUMPE (SP), 43 MALONEY, 44 MALZONE, 45 MANTLE, 46 MARICHAL (SP), 47 MATHEWS (SP), 48 MAYS, 49 MAZEROSKI, 51 McCOVEY (SP), 53 O'TOOLE-upgrade, 54 PASCUAL, 55 PEARSON (SP), 56 PETERS, 57 PINSON, 58 PIZARRO, 59 POWELL, 60 RICHARDSON, 61 ROBINSON BROOKS, 63 ROBINSON FRANK, 64 ROEBUCK (SP), 65 ROLLINS, 66 ROMANO-upgrade, 67 SANTO, 68 SIEBERN, 69 SPAHN (SP), 70 STUART (SP)-upgrade, 71 THOMAS, 72 TORRE, 74 WHITE (SP), 75 WILLIAMS (SP), 76 WOODESCHICK (SP), 77 YASTRZEMSKI (SP). 1965 TOPPS EMBOSSED (Upgrade to EX or better) 1 (Yaz). 1965 TOPPS TRANSFERS (EX or better) I have Max Alvis, Bob Aspromonte, Walt Bond, Jim Bunning, Rico Carty, WayneCausey, Bill Freehan, Jim Fregosi, Dick Groat, Tom H all er, Bobby Knoop, Juan Marichal, Lee Maye, Milt Pappas, Camilo Pascual, Bobby Richardson, John Roseboro-up, Dick Stuart, Luis Tiant, Bob Veale, Leon Wagner and Billy Williams. 1966 TOPPS RUB-OFFS - (EX or better) Aaron, Adair, Allen, J.Alou, Alvis, Battey, Boyer, Clemente, Conigliaro, Ellis, E.Fisher, Ford, Gibson, Kaline, Killebrew, Koufax, Mantle, McCovey, Richardson, Rose, Stargell, Orioles pennant. 1966 TOPPS RUB-OFFS (upgrades to EXMT - no o/c) Bunning, Chance, Colovito, Drysdale, Farrell, Hart, Horton, Knoop, Kroll, Lock, Maloney, Mantilla, Cubs, Yanks. 1969 TOPPS Decals (EX or better) 6 (Clemente-upgrade), 19 ( Jackson ), 24 (Mays) and 38 (Seaver). 1969 TOPPS DECKLE EDGE - Complete 1969 TOPPS STAMP ALBUMS (Ex or better) (CHI. CUBS - upgrade). 1971 TOPPS SCRATCHOFFS (red centers) (upgrade to EX or better - unscratched) 2 (Allen) . 1971 TOPPS SUPER (EX or better) 32, 37, 38, 44, 48, 54, 56 and 59. 1971 TOPPS SUPER (upgrade to EXMT or better) 1973 TOPPS - (upgrade to EXMT or better) 257-dark pale. 1973 TOPPS Candy Lids (any condition) I have #11 Nate Colbert, #21 Jim Hunter and #49 Chris Speier and I need allothers. 1977 TOPPS CLOTH STICKERS (EX or better) 7 (Brett), 40 (Ryan). Now a final hurrah for all the following HEROES COMPLETED SETS (and my heroes) 1954 TOPPS - Completed 1/7/08 with last cards coming from Mark Macrea. 1958 TOPPS - Completed on 1/26/08 with the last card provided by Randy Wilberg. 1959 TOPPS - Completed 8/3/08 at the National at Kurt Tourdot's table. 1962 TOPPS - Completed 2/11/08 - Last traded card provided by Mike Weir. 1962 TOPPS GREEN TINTS - Completed 6/1/06 - Last card from eBay. 1964 TOPPS - Completed 8/19/08 - Last card received by Mark Walker. 1964 TOPPS COINS - Completed 3/6/06 - last coin provided by Ed Schott. 1965 TOPPS =E2=93 Completed 2/7/04 - last card (Mantle WS) provided by Harold 1965 TOPPS EMBOSSED - Completed 1/26/06 - Last card provided by Shawn Adkins. 1967 TOPPS - Complete - last card provided by Mike Zeiber 1967 TOPPS PIN-UP POSTERS - Completed 12/17/02 , Last poster: Kent Montgomery. 1968 TOPPS =E2=93 Completed 8/22/01 - last card (Koosman RC) provided byBob 1968 TOPPS GAME CARDS - Completed 8/25/01 : last card provided by Bob Chubb 1969 TOPPS =E2=93 Complete 6/1/01 - last card (Horton WS card) provided by Brian Joura. 1969 TOPPS DECKLE EDGE - Completed 2/15/01 ; Last card provided by Andy Blackwood 1970 TOPPS - Set Completed 4/19/03 - last card provided by by Mark Price. 1970 TOPPS BOOKLETS - Completed 11/17/00 (last card from Jason Pensky) 1970 TOPPS POSTERS - Completed 4/23/05 - Last poster sent by Padre Pat Wattigny. 1970 TOPPS SCRATCHOFFS (white centers) - Completed 12/15/01 , Last card provided by Yuk Chow 1970 TOPPS SUPER - Completed 1/15/06 from an eBay purchase tipped off by Mike Rich - Last card Boog Powell. 1971 TOPPS - Set complete 5/24/02 - Last card proveded by Spike Glidden. 1971 TOPPS COINS - Completed 12/2/06 - Last coins sent by Mark Walker and Larry 1971 TOPPS SCRATCHOFFS (red centers) - Completed 1/12/06 - Last card provided by Dave Mayo. 1972 TOPPS - Completed 2/13/05 , Last card from Mike Rich. 1973 TOPPS - Completed 5/29/03 at Gibraltar Trade Center . 1973 TOPPS BLUE TEAM LIST - Base set Completed 1/31/07 - Last card: John Leroux. 1974 TOPPS - Completed 6/3/02 by Bill Perkins. 1975 TOPPS - Last card provided by Andy Baran 9/24/01 , final upgrade sent by. 1975 TOPPS (mini) - Completed 1/3/04 - Last card from Nolan Ryan from dealer friend Harold Oleinick and last upgraded card (Freehan) from Greg Campbell. 1976 TOPPS - Completed 1/28/00 - Last card from Pat Sweeney. 1977 TOPPS - Completed 1/17/01 by Mike Rich 1978 TOPPS/BURGER KING/YANKEES - Completed 9/20/00 by Steve Rittenberg 1979 TOPPS - Completed 8/31/99 - last card provided by Jim Chapman. 1979 TOPPS COMICS - Completed 6/24/04 by Jimi Thayer. 1980 TOPPS - Completed 12/15/08 - Final cards sent by Don Berg , Andy Blackmon, Max Schreiber and Eric Swartz. 1980 TOPPS SUPER's - Completed 4/25/06 - Last cards from Ted Clayton. ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2009 19:41:27 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1965 new set Hello All, I just could not hold back. 1965 war bulletin I do not have any dupes but do have others items from the 50-60's or other sport type stuff Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:10:02 -0800 (PST) To: OBCRamblings From: EEK Subject: Santa Sighting My OBC Santa was very prompt ingetting his "DO NOT OPENUNTIL DECEMBER25TH"envelope in the mail.My apologies to Santa that my acknowledgement was not as prompt. "we keep what we give away!" ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 06:40:40 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Ron Perry Subject: Sun Times Show Hi OBC, I attended The Sun Times Show last weekend with Mike Rich and met up with Gary, George, and met Ken Goetch for the first time. I had been traveling for the previous three weeks, but the Sun Times is probably the best show within driving distance until March, so what to heck. I wasn't successful and picking up the hard to find stars (at the price I wanted to pay) from my top ten list. I was successful and picking up singles and group lots of Wide Pens and Fine Pens, 39-46 and 47-66 Exhibits and Red Man Tobacco. Also purchased many odds and ends including 1962 Jello. I was able to hit Mike's list, but not Peter's with the 1962 Jello's. I also bought a few hundred 1960 Topps Football, all in Ex or better including many stars for $30. Only problem is, every one is stamped "George Hawke" and the back. I've started another 1960 Topps FB set and need just about 20% to finish. A few are major stars, but many are commons. Hopefully I will be less busy overthe Christmas holidays. I will try to get more packages out. ================= To: Michellebee31@hotmail.com, hazlett.anne@yahoo.com, Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:24:59 -0500 From: trufan999@aol.com http://www.smallbizship.com/5BxpYevLht.html ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:03:31 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-wantlist@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: 1965 Topps and 1977 Hostess upgrade lists added I have added extensive upgrade lists for my 1965 Topps and 1977 Hostess 1965 Topps Upgrades to EX+: 1 2 10 11 24 33 57 60 64 78 82 101 102 17 116 130 133 136 144 178 191 205 209 217 218 221 233 236 240 241 243 251 252 269 277 281 293 295 302 304 306 307 310 313 319 321 322 323 324 329 330 332 333 335 336 344 345 351 354 357 365 367 370 376 382 383 387 388 389 390 391 392 398 403 406 420 426 432 437 442 445 452 460 465 467 469 473 478 493 495 502 503 510 513 540 542 544 553 579 593 1977 Hostess upgrades to EX: 1 2 3 13 16 19 22 23 27 28 30 33 34 35 44 46 50 52 53 54 70 71 73 75 76 77 78 82 87 95 96 99 109 110 119 120 122 135 139 141 Thanks for looking, Brock H. ================= Date: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:17:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "tomhousley_2000" Subject: Cincinnati Moeller Show ramble Made it to the show at Cincinnati Moeller HS today. Usually I try to meet up with Gersh (and Ken P. last time), but since I was out of town until yesterday, I never made any arrangements to meet up. Anyway, this show is usually the best non-National show in the area, so I made it down this morning, intending to look for OBC friendly dealers Wayne Johnson & JD Heckathorn, among others. Well, Wayne wasn't in his usual spot, so I made a stop at a table with a bargain tub full of 50's cards. Spent all of my money that I'd budgeted & picked up 25 '52 Bowman for a buck & a half each, plus a handful of others including some '50 Bowman, a few '55 Bowman, & a '52 Topps. I also picked up my very first 1954 Red Heart Dog Foodcard. On my way out, who did I see but Wayne Johnson. So, the show I most look forward to (other than National of course), I managed to hit one table, get a bunch of hits to a rarely-hit set, & then it was homeward bound. All in all a good day. I would have window-shopped more after my purchase, but I wanted to get home to watch the Battle of Ohio -and wouldn't you know it, the station it was on - the one I work at - was having transnmission problems! Geez, had I known I would have stayed & just settled for listening on the car radio on the drive home. ================= Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2009 00:09:31 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "brightair" Subject: White Plains card show reflections I managed to make it to the last day of the White Plains card show at the Westchester County Center. I had never been there before, but it was easy to find, even though my GPS missed it by about =BD mile. People were already lining up as I pulled in to park 45 minutes early, and I became curious at the composition of the crowd =96 lots of girls and mothers! I thought, "Wow, the NYC area must have an unusually sophisticated audience of sports card Turns out, after waiting =BD hour in the wrong line with about 100 families, I find out they were also having a reptile show in the same building, andthe sports card show line (2 people =96 both old guys) is "over there, fellow". So I do get in, as they opened the doors not 1 second before 10am, and the show is in the basement, a large non-descript concrete bunker crammed with dealer tables and narrow aisles. I score a few commons from Jim (Sports Cards and Memorabilia) from PA, when I run into Rob Gioia and Bob Bannon. Bob says, "I could only find one card to hit your wantlists." I say, "But it's a '52 Mantle, right?" He says, "Not exactly, but you got the name right." And he hands me a 1962 #318 =96 The Switch Hitter Connects =96 Mantle card.My day is off to a great start! Unfortunately, the 2 cards I had for him were only 1964 commons, and even worse, as I found out later, I must have misread his wantlist because he hadthem both! I still need to make amends for that =85 but, God willing, there will be time. Bob had to leave right away, but Rob and I browsed around and ended up backat Jim's table (who Rob already knew), where I picked up a 1955 Berra in perfect OBC shape, and also 2 interesting 1963s, 42 and 94, with blank backs! I only know what numbers they are because I have both cards with the regular backs. Jim said he picked up 5 from someone and just had these 2 left. As a variation junkie, I snapped them up and now wonder if anyone knows what these are, and, more importantly, how many others exist? Rob soon left and I wandered some more, picking up a couple variations fromFrank Tolocka (Rookies and Stars Sports) before leaving. Dealers were telling me that Friday was good, Saturday was slow, and Sunday looked to me tobe moderate at best. On the way out I passed a teen with a tiny python in a Dixie cup (beautifulcolors and extremely smooth scales), amidst dozens of other parent-chaperoned kids with plastic cups containing just-bought reptilians. On the way to my car I passed a small stream bordered by trees and weeds, and a solitary duck in the water. I wondered about the world: plenty of kids buying exotic pets in the market, but how many are out in the backyard, finding what lives nearby for free and fun? I managed to avoid falling asleep in the end-of-holiday traffic leading away from the city back to my small town in the sticks, and, with about 25 newcards to my name, called the day a success. Richard D ================= To: "dugout thanks" , Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:45:12 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 2 sets done Hello All, After some fancy ebaying I iced my 56 orange back crockett set and the 74 sugar daddy set . MAny years and many trades to come to this conclusion. As I am typing I just won a 63 post frank thomas for $2.26...what a day. Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2009 21:58:57 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Available: "The Baseball Project" CD I've listened to my Baseball Project CD several times and am ready to pass it along. Who wants the next turn at bat? It's got quite a few songs about vintage players, all the way back to Ed Delahanty. You can preview the album here: http://store.yeproc.com/album.php?id=13465