================= Date: Tue, 1 Jul 2008 18:59:22 EDT To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Wanted : Fantasy Football Players I am the commissioner of an ESPN league that has been around for about 9 years. Last year we had 12 players, but kid's and work schedules have forced about half of the players to drop out for 2008. I am looking for several experienced players who would be interested in participating in a modest prize money, FRIENDLY league. This is for fun, not life and death. Three weeks of playoffs, and the top four teams are winners. We have a live/conference call/Instant Messaging draft sometime in late August. One or two waiver wires per week. No waivers on Sundays during games so you dont need to sit in front of the TV all day pick up a flash in the pan (unlike Yahoo). We usually also do a side pool of pigskin pick em (no spread, pick every game all year, top 4 win) and a super bowl pool that is very fun. If you may be interested in participating, please let me know as soon as possible. I am looking for anywhere from 5 to 8 players. Hope to hear from you soon, Gary Mandell 3930 North Pine Grove Avenue # 3108 Chicago, IL 60613-5518 OCT, OBC, DT, TB **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 02:05:47 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jd3681" Subject: 1960 fleer baseball greats available got these recently, not going to do the set so will offer them up to anyone who needs them...please include address with request....I have been working 70+ hours plus going to college so have been super busy so please bear with me on the shipping...here is the list #2-Christy Mathewson #20-Edward Trowbridge collins #23-Edward Grant Barrow #27-Lucius Benjamin appling #36-Melvin Thomas Ott #47-Denton True Young #48-Lewis robert Wilson #60-robert Moses Grove #67-Hugh Ambrose Jennings #71-howard Earl Averill #75-hazen Shirley Cuyler ================= Date: Thu, 03 Jul 2008 03:33:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: 1969 Topps Stamp question At Kurt's table i bought a small case of stamps, thinking there is enough of you guys that collect them. I looked them up and the best i can come up with is that they look like the 69 stamps except that according to Becketts there are stats on the back of the stamps. My stamps have the gum background to stick in albums. Basically they have a picture of the player with a ribbon type bottom with player name, team and position. Do I have 69 stamps or something else. ================= Date: Thu, 3 Jul 2008 07:18:40 -0400 To: rayluurs From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1969 Topps Stamp question The 69 stamps have gum backing with no stats. The book that the stamps go into have the stats. On Wed, Jul 2, 2008 at 11:33 PM, rayluurs wrote: > At Kurt's table i bought a small case of stamps, thinking there is > enough of you guys that collect them. I looked them up and the best i > can come up with is that they look like the 69 stamps except that > according to Becketts there are stats on the back of the stamps. My > stamps have the gum background to stick in albums. Basically they have > a picture of the player with a ribbon type bottom with player name, > team and position. Do I have 69 stamps or something else. > Ray ================= Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 05:43:50 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Neat new utility I've added a pretty cool little utility to my web page. It's a world map that records hits to the page by sticking a little map pin on the viewer's location. If you don't mind, why not swing by the ol' page this weekend so that the North American portion of the map can start to show some action! Glenn's Want List Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Fri, 04 Jul 2008 19:04:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Guys, be careful of this! Be sure to read the item description-RP LOT For those who collect 52,51 Bowmans I wanted to warn you about an ebay The cards pictured in the description of the lot look like real 51,52 Bowmans in his lots he is selling of 19, 20 cards. He does specify in the description it is a "RP LOT" Also if you read down in the description of the lot he clearly says "you get (19) 1952 bowman DOVER REPRINT" He might not be trying to deceive anyone but the cards pictured don't look like reprints. Here is one of his ebay listings: http://tinyurl.com/5gu6ct ================= To: Date: Fri, 4 Jul 2008 23:00:35 -0500 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Nice Article on Old Cardboard Dear Tim (Newcomb), Nice article this month in the Old Cardboard magazine on M101-5 and 4. My one puny Famous-Barr card should have some company I guess. It was very interesting reading about the issues and ad backs. The producer was about 2 blocks away from my current workplace in Chicago. The Old Cardboard publication has always looked great and covers cards and issues rather than values and advertisers. George Vrechek ================= To: , Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:02:30 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Microsoft ebay BIN promotion Has anybody used this to get the 25% ($250 max) rebate? Do you know if it is still going and generally how it works??? ================= To: "'Chuck Paris'" , Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 12:23:50 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Microsoft ebay BIN promotion I used it and it worked. I actually got 35% off! I sent a note to the ramblings server about it which I've pasted below. You might want to check this out. I heard about in on the Net54 board and it looks legit. 1) Go here: http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=lego+table 2) At the top, in the gray box, should be a link that says "you may get 35% with Paypal if eligible." If you don't see that link, search for something else that is often found on ebay. 3) Upon following the link, you will be sent to ebay, and can then search for anything you like. The filters are already set to only show BIN items. 4) Once you find what you want, click the BIN> button. You will get to confirm before you commit. 5) On the confirmation page, MAKE SURE IT SHOWS THE REFUND AMOUNT. If so, finish up and pay with Paypal. The refund, 35% of the BIN up to $250, should appear later in your Paypal account, but after your purchase, you must sign up with the cashback program https://cashbackaccount.search.live.com/cashback/welcome.aspx (which happens to be currently bombarded and slow) ebay terms are here: http://pages.ebay.com/cashbackoffer/terms.html Here's the full post http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1213667773/last-1213674382/Craz ================= Date: Sat, 05 Jul 2008 20:45:13 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: 1969 Topps stamps and albums added Hey gang, In attempting to get ready for my first National, I am trying to organize a few sets that I would like to start up. One of them is the 1969 Topps stamps and albums. I have picked these up here and there, and to my surprise, I already have 18 of the albums. Some even have a decent number of stamps included. Listed below is my wantlist, with albums needed listed in parantheses after the team name. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Baltimore Orioles: Belanger, Johnson, Hardin, F. Robinson Boston Red Sox: Gibson, Petrocelli, Scott California Angels: Davalillo, Fisher, Rodgers, McGlothlin Chicago White Sox: (Need stamp book) Alomar, Aparicio, Berry, Horlen, John, Josephson, Peters, Wagner, Ward, Wood Cleveland Indians: Alvis, Azcue, Maye, McDowell, Siebert, Sims, Tiant, Williams Detroit Tigers: Cash, Freehan, Horton, Kaline, Lolich, McAuliffe, McLain, Northrop, Stanley, Wert Kansas City Royals: Adair, Bunker, Foy, Nelson, Schaal Minnesota Twins: (Need stamp book) Allison, Carew, Chance, Kaat, Killebrew, Oliva, Perranoski, Roseboro, Tovar, Uhlaender New York Yanks: (Need stamp book) Bahnsen, Clarke, Gibbs, Kosco, Mantle, Pepitone, Robinson, Stottlemyre, Tresh, White Oakland A's: (Need stamp book) Bando, Campaneris, Cater, Duncan, Green, Hunter, Krausse, Monday, Nash, Odom Washington Senators: Allen, Brinkman, Casanova, Coleman, Higgins, Atlanta Braves: Aaron, Boyer, Jackson, Milan, Reed Chicago Cubs: Hundley, Santo, Williams Cincinnati Reds: Helms, Maloney, Rose, Houston Astros: (Need stamp book) Aspromonte, Dierker, Edwards, Lemaster, Menke, Morgan, Radar, Staub, Wilson, Wynn L.A. Dodgers: Davis, Drysdale, Fairly, Haller, Lefebvre, Sutton Montreal Expos: Alou, Bailey, Mota New York Mets: Agee, Grote, Kranepool, Swoboda Philadelphia Phillies: (Need stamp book) Allison, Briggs, Callison, Dalrymple, Fryman, Lock, Rojas, Short, Taylor, Wise Pittsburgh Pirates: M. Alou, Blass, May, Mazeroski San Diego Padres: J. Arcia, Z. Versalles San Fran Giants: J. Davenport, D. Dietz, H. Lanier, J. Marichal, W. St. Louis Cardinals: Briles, Brock, Cepeda, Gibson, Javier, McCarver, Pinson ================= Date: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 19:06:08 -0400 To: OBC-Ramblings@YahooGroups.com From: "Keith Summers" Subject: Atlanta Dreams worst team ever? Hey all :-) With the 1st year franchise Atlanta Dreams of the WNBA being 0-17 as of 7PM Sat eve, I was wondering if anyone had a link to a site or info on the worst Pro teams ever in any sport in a season. The sleepy Dreams play 32 reg season game this year I think. Twice they lost by 4 points (Minn/NY), which is as close as they got to a win. They have at least 1 game more with each of those 2 teams. Will they snooze all the way to an 0-32 season?!!!!!!!!! Any comments are appreciated. Thanks! Keith Summers ================= To: Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 09:15:26 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Fw: certified dealer Hey guys, I met a dealer in a show in Raleigh recently that deals exclusively in vintage stuff. He has some really high end cards and some that are perfect for my collection (VG plus or minus). The low end box sells for 12% of book value and then he gives you a deal on top of that. Some of you have already dealt with him. The day that I met him he had a plastic case of 52 Bowman cards for Richard Kimball. Jack normally works the shows in the Northeast soyou guys probably see him more than me. Check out Jack Zerby at ZZZZ's Vintage Cards. He is a retired military guy and always wears his military hat with gold trim. If given a chance, Jack would like to be listed as an OBC certified dealer. My one feedback is not enough to get him that distinction. If given a chance, he has a lot to offer to the traders of our group that occasionally buy some elusive cardboard. Thanks. Everybody finish up you weekend safely. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Isaac To: Mark Holland Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: RE: certified dealer There has been no discussion about Jack. In fact, no one has provided any feedback. If you wish to give feedback, do so via the Ramblings server. From: wholla_m@bellsouth.net To: jwi62@hotmail.com Subject: Re: certified dealer Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:48:39 -0400 Has the OBCAC had their June meeting to discuss adding Jack to the certified dealer list yet? I would really like to see him added. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Isaac To: wholla_m@bellsouth.net Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: RE: certified dealer I just sent a post to the Ramblings server about Jack. You can send a recommendation to me directly or you can reply to my Ramblings message and let the group see your comments. Either way, the OBCAC will get the recommendations and determine next month since there probably will not be enough time to get on the list for this month. Thanks very much for sharing the story again. From: jwi62@hotmail.com To: wholla_m@bellsouth.net Subject: certified dealer Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:40:39 -0400 Hi Mark, I read your recent post about Jack Zerby. To get Jack as an OBC certified dealer requires a vote from the OBCAC. I will add this to the agendafor this month. More than likely it will get added for next month. Thanks for sharing you card show experience and for bringing Jack's name as a possible certified dealer. Best regards, Make every e-mail and IM count. Join the i=92m Initiative from Microsoft. Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. Help protect your kids. Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. IM on your ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 20:32:51 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Exhibits available I have a stack of exhibits available to anyone working those sets. 1963 Stat Brooks Robinson 1947-66 Blackwell, Al Evans Kluzewski (cinnci) LMK, Bob Bannon _www.biggcards.com_ (http://www.biggcards.com) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 21:25:20 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: certified dealer Content-Language: en Does he have a website? Can someone post it if he does? In a message dated 7/6/2008 9:15:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, wholla_m@bellsouth.net writes: Hey guys, I met a dealer in a show in Raleigh recently that deals exclusively in vintage stuff. He has some really high end cards and some that are perfectfor collection (VG plus or minus). The low end box sells for 12% of book value and then he gives you a deal on top of that. Some of you have already dealt with him. The day that I met him he had a plastic case of 52 Bowman cards for Richard Kimball. Jack normally works the shows in the Northeast so you guys probably see him more than me. Check out Jack Zerby at ZZZZ's Vintage Cards. He is a retired military guy and always wears his military hat with gold trim. If given a chance, Jack would like to be listed as an OBC certified dealer. My one feedback is not enough to get him that distinction. If given chance, he has a lot to offer to the traders of our group that occasionally buy some elusive cardboard. Thanks. Everybody finish up you weekend safely. ----- Original Message ----- From: _Joe Isaac_ (mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com) To: _Mark Holland_ (mailto:wholla_m@bellsouth.net) Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2008 9:13 AM Subject: RE: certified dealer There has been no discussion about Jack. In fact, no one has provided any feedback. If you wish to give feedback, do so via the Ramblings server. From: _wholla_m@bellsouth.who_ (mailto:wholla_m@bellsouth.net) To: _jwi62@hotmail.jwi_ (mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com) Subject: Re: certified dealer Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:48:39 -0400 Has the OBCAC had their June meeting to discuss adding Jack to the certified dealer list yet? I would really like to see him added. ----- Original Message ----- From: _Joe Isaac_ (mailto:jwi62@hotmail.com) To: _wholla_m@bellsouth.who_ (mailto:wholla_m@bellsouth.net) Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: RE: certified dealer I just sent a post to the Ramblings server about Jack. You can send a recommendation to me directly or you can reply to my Ramblings message andlet group see your comments. Either way, the OBCAC will get the recommendations and determine next month since there probably will not be enough time to get on the list for this month. Thanks very much for sharing the story again. From: jwi62@hotmail. To: wholla_m@bellsouth.To: Subject: certified dealer Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 21:40:39 -0400 Hi Mark, I read your recent post about Jack Zerby. To get Jack as an OBC certified dealer requires a vote from the OBCAC. I will add this to the agenda for this month. More than likely it will get added for next month. Thanks for sharing you card show experience and for bringing Jack's name as a possible certified dealer. Best regards, Make every e-mail and IM count. _Join the i=E7=A5 Initiative from Microsoft._ (http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/Join/Default.aspx?sourceEML_WL_ MakeCount) Keep your kids safer online with Windows Live Family Safety. _Help protect your kids._ (http://www.windowslive.com/family_safety/overview.html?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_family_safety_052008) Need to know now? Get instant answers with Windows Live Messenger. _IM on your terms._ (http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_062008) **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncidaolaut00050000000007) ================= Date: Sun, 6 Jul 2008 23:46:38 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Suggestion/ Latest roster Would it be prudent on our part to get in touch with all of our "recommended" dealers to see if they are going to be at the National and to find out what booths they will be at? Always a good idea to visit these guys. This will also give them a heads up that a bunch of us are going and they may set aside some true OBC material for us. Just a thought. I don't know if this is something that has to be taken care of thru OBCAC or if one of you fine gentlemen would like to take it upon yourselves to get a hold of the dealers to get the Ticket front- not looking real great. I may be able to grab 4 tickets, 3 of which will be spoken for (one for ME). I suggest that you take a look at Cubs.com and see what is available or stub hub. Kent and myself are going to have a car as we did last year, so we will have transportation to grab an extra body or two for the show and/or game. PS with all the gas garbage surrounding flights, I suggest you keep a close eye on your flights. American has knocked out a bunch in and (mainly) out of Chicago. I may be able to get there, but I may not be able to get home LOL... Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 TBA Yes+2 Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Maybe Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Phil Chiemelewski Marshall West 801-979-7205 Sofitel Chicago O'Hare Yes+1 No W-Sa **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ================= Date: Mon, 07 Jul 2008 04:26:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Chris Stufflestreet" Subject: Just a little personal update... I know I've been really quiet with card activity lately...and I haven't written anything of note (for those of you who read my newsletters). I'm still really bummed that I have to miss the National this year, especially since Chicago is one of my favorite cities to visit. Anyway...I've mentioned before that I've decided to go back to school to get my Masters degree in the hops that I can break out of the dead-end job I have and take care of some really serious personal issues. I began classes back in April and have now finished two of the 12 courses I need to get my Masters degree in Leadership (with a concentration on crisis management and disaster preparedness). My first class was Organizational Ethics...I scored a 100%. The second one, Intro to Organizational Leadership wasn't an ace but I still ended up with a final A grade there! It's going to take me about 2 years to get through all the classes, but I'm hoping that once it happens, I'll get a better job, can make more OBC gatherings and can finally get back to collecting like I did in the past. In the meantime, I'm still here even though I've stopped doing anything on eBay, haven't built up the dupes box and live in an area that just stinks for vintage card collectors. Despite all that, I still try to acknowledge the stuff I get sent and appreciate all the effort taken to keep me from being one of the guys who just drift away. And maybe I'll get around to finally writing one of the two hobby books I've started. Take care, ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 06:16:22 EDT To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] Suggestion/ Latest roster as of monday early morning, i still have 2 tickets available for the friday afternoon cubs game. if interested, please let me know. gary mandell In a message dated 7/6/2008 10:47:05 PM Central Daylight Time, ChicoD1@aol.com writes: Would it be prudent on our part to get in touch with all of our "recommended" dealers to see if they are going to be at the National and to find out what booths they will be at? Always a good idea to visit these guys. This will also give them a heads up that a bunch of us are going and they may set aside some true OBC material for us. Just a thought. I don't know if this is something that has to be taken care of thru OBCAC or if one of you fine gentlemen would like to take it upon yourselves to get a hold of the dealers to get the Ticket front- not looking real great. I may be able to grab 4 tickets, 3 of which will be spoken for (one for ME). I suggest that you take a look at Cubs.com and see what is available or stub hub. Kent and myself are going to have a car as we did last year, so we will have transportation to grab an extra body or two for the show and/or game. PS with all the gas garbage surrounding flights, I suggest you keep a close eye on your flights. American has knocked out a bunch in and (mainly) out of Chicago. I may be able to get there, but I may not be able to get home LOL... Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 TBA Yes+2 Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Maybe Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Phil Chiemelewski Marshall West 801-979-7205 Sofitel Chicago O'Hare Yes+1 No W-Sa Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient _used cars_ (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) . **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ================= To: Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 12:48:04 -0700 From: "Brian Lindholme" Subject: UV Phillies? OBC World, I know that this should belong on the UV server. I'm not subscribed, nor would my activity in any cards beyond 1979 (usually 1949 or lower for those of you who have seen the bulk of my collection) warrant that I do join the UV I just am wondering if anyone has any recent 2007 or 2008 Phillies that they might consider shipping my way...My son John shows roller-coaster interest in baseball and after a July 3-5 trip to Safeco Field in Seattle, its onagain. I bought a few packs yesterday trying to determine which newer cards we might be interested in, but honestly I didn't like any of them (well, the archive cards are okay that resemble the old Topps styles) and he is more interested in the players than the design at this point. No offense to the UV collectors here intended! I'm so pleased that he would consider collecting baseball rather than the Japanese Anime cards he seemed do be so infatuated with that I'm willing to trade a few vintage hits in return if necessary. Hints on what the best cards out there in the sea of UV would also be appreciated. Oh, I almost forgot to mention...he's wearing his new Phillies hat today too:) OBC forever Brian Lindholme P.O. Box 1551 Ridgefield,WA 98642 ================= Date: Mon, 7 Jul 2008 20:54:34 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Help with this T206 card? This card is being represented as an error card. Is it? Or is it just _http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-T-206-Admiral-Schlei-No-Name-on-Front_W0QQitemZ (http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-T-206-Admiral-Schlei-No-Name-on-Front_W0QQitemZ260 **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) ================= To: , Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 08:01:45 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with this T206 card? Bob: It's just mis-cut. Not what I'd consider an error. ----- Original Message ----- From: biggies@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 8:54 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help with this T206 card? This card is being represented as an error card. Is it? Or is it just mis-cut. http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-T206-T-206-Admiral-Schlei-No-Name-on-Front_W0QQitemZ260258881156QQihZ016QQcategoryZ86840QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewIt= Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 07:47:25 -0700 (PDT) To: national From: Matthew Subject: New list of OBC dealers for 2008 National Hi all, I've contacted the dealers on our OBC list and several responded with their booth number and additional details. Check it out and add updates as warranted! http://groups.yahoo.com/group/OBC-National/database Another thing that might help is pictures. I've got one shot of Kurt Tourdot from last's year show. Anyone else snap our OBC-friendly dealers? ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 20:02:15 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "distelrath66" Subject: Been lagging... Sorry guys for not being on top of things as of lately. I'm finally in my own place and am still gradually improving. Very soon I am going to get my box 'o dupes out and start plugging some holes. I've been feeling guilty for not getting around to it sooner. Of course there will be no way for me to repay the tremendous favors you guys have done for me, but I'll be damned if I wont try. The very next visitor that comes over I'll have 'em pull out the dupe box. Thanks,,, all of you Ryan the "used to be a teenager" Distelrath ================= Date: Tue, 08 Jul 2008 21:20:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "distelrath66" Subject: Who ACTUALLY collects 1937 Goudey Thum movies (r342)? I have one lonesome example in Tipton mint condition (missing cover) and am looking for somebody who needs it for their collection of thum movies. If you do, send me your need list and hopefully mine will fill a gap. Sorry fellas, this isnt a waiver wire... I'd like this one to go to an actual collector. I hope I can help -Ryan "used to be the teenager" Distelrath ================= Date: Tue, 8 Jul 2008 19:30:21 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: "OBC" listed cards on eBay Heads up there are several current lots on eBay tagged as "OBC," including a classic scrapbook with cards (and other pictures) still glued in. Are they already in the bidding hands of members? http://sports-cards.shop.ebay.com/items/Sports-Mem-Cards-Fan-Shop__obc_W0QQLHQ5fIncludeSIFZ1QQ_nkwZobcQQQ5fcatrefZ1QQ_flnZ1QQ_sacZ1QQ_sacatZ64482QQ_sopZ15 ================= To: , Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:13:55 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1933 Goudey question ----- Original Message ----- From: david.skoglund@att.net To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1933 Goudey question Does anyone know why certain cards in the 1933 Goudey set don't have the "Big League Chewing Gum" banner at the bottom on the front of the card? This set was issued in different series wasn't it? It makes some sense that 190-240 are different since they're what looks like the final series. I'm curious about the cards in the middle of the set (97-99; 105-114; 121-129) that are different. I've got a reprint set that came as two uncut sheets and it just looks strange to see random cards without the banner scattered around the sheet. Ofcourse, this sheet probably bears no resemblance to an actual Goudey uncutsheet. I'm willing to bet that all the bannerless cards in the middle of the set were grouped together on the printing sheets. ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:24:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: 2008 new members question Hey, I've been out of the loop for a couple months, so I wanted to make sure I was up to speed on one thing: new members. I read some announcements posts, but I want to make sure I didn't miss someone. Here's who I saw for 2008: Mike Rumley-Wells in March John Dahms in April Richard Labs in April John Stamper in June Is that all? Please let me know if I left anyone out. ================= Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 10:50:57 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: All Star Week in NY waivers Hello All, Its All Star week here in NY and it will be a fun week, Tomorrow I will bring the Family to the DHL fan fest, then I got a ticket to the HR Derby, and finally the 15th My firehouse will be working the All Star game so im pretty excited (oh yeah the 14th is my 12th wedding anniversary...better not forget that Bring my wife to the HR derby....(think she will like that?) OK OK here are the players that didn't make the cut and are up for waivers Claim them add your return address , and i will give preference to those who i owe, but PLEASE put in claims 1955 Bowman # 189 1955 Topps # 23,30,33,146 1956 Topps # 151 1957 Topps #87,101 1960 Topps #124 1961 Topps # 119,123 1962 Topps # 39, 254 1963 Topps # 48 1964 Topps # 30,90,181,188,261,274,277 1965 Topps # 156,307,342 1966 Topps # 37,41,64,71 1967 Topps 87,167 Rob "The FIREMAN" **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:57:46 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Trading Partners COLD CASE Hello All, As most of you know I have a personal project that helps me to hit every traders list at least once a year on their birthday. I have been doing this for over 3 years now and in that time some traders have left the organized clubs for one reason or another. Still I like to "keep in touch" and these former members remain on my list, it's nice to get a return note or email and catch up with former members. This leads me to my "investigation". I have received returned envelopes from three former members and my attempts to call them by phone were unsucessful. I was wondering if anyone has any information about any of these former members: PAUL BIGGS MARK CUNNINGHAM TOM WILLIAMS In the past current members have helped me "close the case" on the whereabouts of former members - I was hoping that I might get some updated information from individuals who have kept in contact with Paul, Mark or Tom. Can anyone shed some light on the case? BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2008 03:40:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: rambling about the National and unrelated some sad news This past Sunday, the immeidate family got together to celebrate my Grandmother's 99th birthday party. An amazing lady, who about 10 years ago got tired of living with my folks and moved out into her own apartment. She was generally considered to be in better shape than I am in. late yesterday afternoon, about 5 minutes after I got off the phone with Mark Talbot about the local Wednesday card show, I got a call, that my grandmother passed away. She was at home, after going to an ice crean social during the day. She did not feel like going to dinner and asked my aunt to bring her something back (my aunt moved into the same apartment complex last year). When my aunt went in, she found her. It appears she went immediately with no suffering, at home and with all her faculties. Considering all the family just saw her including my aunt who is in from Las Vegas, if you have to go, the timing was excellent. As is the Jewish custom, the funeral will be right away, so that is tomorrow. There is a Shivah House for people to pay their respects afterwards, which will be Sunday and Monday. I have been asked to lead the short service that is done at teh Shivah house both nites. I went to work today, to get some things out of the way and was expecting to be out Monday through Wednesday. At this point, I may go back on Tuesday. Peter Mead is due in town on Wednesday, so if I work Tuesday, I can catch up enough to get out and see him. Being off work on Monday should allow me to clean the house up enough for Peter to stay here. I was reviewing the National roster and we are down to only around 14 guys this year. I was not at the Anaheim National a few years ago, but this seems to be the smallest contingency since I joined OBC in 2000. Wonder how this will affect the swap session. I do not think I have met Marshall West or Phil C. before, so I do have something to look forward to at the show, even though Marshall will not make the swap. I had known about Ken and Steve not making it, but Rob Gioia, Bob Reed, Kevin Martin, Ray Luurs, Al Cummings, Chris Stufflestreet I was getting used to seeing, not to mention some that make the Cleveland show. Sorry if I forgot anyone. Hope the OBC dealers are not too disappointed. Wonder if the show attendance will be down in a similar manner. Will this lead to better deals or dealers packing up and going home early? Plus we will lose the number of bird dogs. We will have to work harder to find stuff on our own. Also, does anyone have Larry "Cuthroat" Kerrigan's e-mail? I need to e-mail him before the show and lost his e-mail. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 22:03:12 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Rick" Subject: Potential trader for you true vintage collectors I contacted Larry Moe because he lives near me about his OBC application and meet him at a card show today and he seems very nice but I think he has backed off wanting to be a member. I would love to see more northwest members oh well. He has a very specific wantlist just PCL and Zeenut cards nothing but that. It doesn't sound like he has alot of dupes in that but said he is willing to part with all his goudeys and play balls. He said Andy Cook is the main person he has traded with so maybe he can give some input. I told him I'd put it out there for you true pre-war collectors he is probably someone you would want to trade with even if he doesn't join. I don't know about condition requirements never got into that. ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 15:25:36 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Rick From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential trader for you true vintage collectors OBCers -- I traded my one and only Zeenut to Larry for some cards to pay some OBC debts with - he definitely was OBC material! I had what he wanted, he had what I wanted, and we never talked about a price guide. Thumbs up from me! Take Care, --- On Sat, 7/12/08, Rick wrote: From: Rick Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Potential trader for you true vintage collectors To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, July 12, 2008, 5:03 PM I contacted Larry Moe because he lives near me about his OBC application and meet him at a card show today and he seems very nice but I think he has backed off wanting to be a member. I would love to see more northwest members oh well. He has a very specific wantlist just PCL and Zeenut cards nothing but that. It doesn't sound like he has alot of dupes in that but said he is willing to part with all his goudeys and play balls. He said Andy Cook is the main person he has traded with so maybe he can give some input. I told him I'd put it out there for you true pre-war collectors he is probably someone you would want to trade with even if he doesn't join. I don't know about condition requirements never got into that. ================= Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:07:00 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Ebay selling strategy OBCers -- In my quest to downsize my collection and raise funds for more T202s and T205s, I have been selling my Eighties sets on Ebay. When I went through my 1982 set today, I noticed my Ripken is gone. I either traded it away or it's in another box that used to be in my firesafe. My question is: 1) Do I sell the set w/o the Ripken ($11 to ship in a Fixed Rate Box)? 2) Do I buy a ex/mt Ripken on Ebay to put in the binder? I can't imagine getting more that a couple bucks with the high shipping unless I include the Ripken. If I buy a Ripken for $20 plus $2 to ship, I'll end up selling the set for more, but enough to offset the price of shipping a set in the bidder's mind? Is that clear? In other words, the winning bidder would have to think my set is worth $33 in order for me to break even. That's not including Ebay/Paypal fees. It's sad to think I've had these cards this long and I won't get enough cash off of the set to buy a gallon of gas... Take Care, ================= To: "ramblings" , Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 09:24:54 -0600 From: "todd knowles" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 2658 Perchance is Larry Moe's middle name Curly? ================= To: "ramblings" , Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 11:34:39 -0400 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 2658 He was born in the 50s. His middle name is Shemp. ----- Original Message ----- From: todd knowles To: ramblings Sent: Sunday, July 13, 2008 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Digest Number 2658 Perchance is Larry Moe's middle name Curly? ================= Date: Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:32:45 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Research help on an old baseball photo? Hi all, Poked around a shop in Provincetown, MA yesterday and grabbed some old baseball photos. One shows an interesting scene of girls and boys playing a game in a forest clearing. It has the inscription "Blue River Baseball Team," which I can't immediately connect to a specific location, but is intriguing. I added the photo and a detailed scan to my baseball blog. If you've got the time, check it out and add your thoughts on the origin! http://number5typecollection.blogspot.com/2008/07/photo-research-puzzler.html ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 02:06:30 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1955JC Bobby Thomson.....reprint or OK? I suspect that this may be a reprint. Is there any way to tell from the scan? 1955JC Thomson ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 08:33:22 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: anyone going to This years All star game? Hey all I knwo some of you guys go to big events, any of you guys going to the all star game? If your going let me know we can meet up somewhere **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 07:20:14 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Of interest to the golfers among us.... Thursday sees the start of the world's greatest golf tournament - The Open Championship - at Royal Birkdale Golf Club in England. This year's championship promises to be wide open thanks to the absence of a certain Mr T Woods(that'll be Tiger, not Terry). Maureen and I have recently had some problems with our heating system, to the extent that we're having a new boiler fitted. Expensive stuff. Now, someof you may be aware that I enjoy a wee flutter on the odd sporting event now and then . So, in an effort to recoup some of those outgoings, I've spread a number of small wagers across 5 players in the field. Look out for: Robert Karlsson, Miguel Angel Jimenez, Geoff Ogilvy, and my longshot bets Brant Snedeker and Johan Edfors. A win forone of those guys brings me in at least $100, and up to $600 ifEdfors can find a way to get it done. Even a Top 5 finish for one player brings in between $28 and $150. And if more than one finishes Top 5, well I'll be happier than Ken Morganti at an All-You-Can-Eat Luxury Buffet!!! Wish me luck! ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 16:24:39 -0400 From: Jeff Delott Subject: 1951 Red Back Zernial I just a bought a 1951 Topps Red Back Zernial (Chicago) by mistake as I already have one.? Does anyone have the Philadelphia variation to trade for it? ?Jeffrey Delott ================= To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 18:26:02 -0400 From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay selling strategy You may do better breaking things up into team sets for a couple of years in the 80s.? Maybe 3-4 years and do a 100 different of a team.? That may fetch more money, although it will result in more listings. Mike Rich -----Original Message----- From: Geno Wagner To: OBC Ramblings Sent: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 10:07 pm Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Ebay selling strategy OBCers -- In my quest to downsize my collection and raise funds for more T202s and T205s, I have been selling my Eighties sets on Ebay. When I went through my 1982 set today, I noticed my Ripken is gone. I either traded it away or it's in another box that used to be in my firesafe. My question is: 1) Do I sell the set w/o the Ripken ($11 to ship in a Fixed Rate Box)? 2) Do I buy a ex/mt Ripken on Ebay to put in the binder? I can't imagine getting more that a couple bucks with the high shipping unless I include the Ripken. If I buy a Ripken for $20 plus $2 to ship, I'll end up selling the set for more, but enough to offset the price of shipping a set in the bidder's mind? Is that clear? In other words, the winning bidder would have to think my set is worth $33 in order for me to break even. That's not including Ebay/Paypal fees. It's sad to think I've had these cards this long and I won't get enough cash off of the set to buy a gallon of gas... Take Care, ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:40:43 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: help needed, know any dealers? I need to buy 4 2008 Topps factory sets. I think some people call them hobby I know some of you know dealers and I wondered if someone could help me buy these. I have seen them advertised for as low as $39 but many dealers want $20 to ship all 4. Maybe this is fair, I would just like to know. I think these sets get released next Monday. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks, BB **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 21:44:48 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Help for an Aged Member, Please If you had to cull your collection down to a few sets, 1. What 6 sets from Topps from 1951 through 1973 would you keep and improve? 2. What 3 sets from Bowman from 1948 through 1955 would you keep and 3. Are you going to leave your cards to your children and grandchildren, or sell them when you begin to feel your mortality... After bidding on several lots in recent auctions (Clean Sweep, REA, Huggins and Scott) and being willing to bid about 20% of the winning bids, I am wondering if I should be a seller rather than a buyer.... By the way, my dupes box is still available to anyone... ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:15:16 EDT To: Brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please Hi Brock, Great questions and I predict there will be discussion over this for 3+ days. I am happy to chime in first. 1) My Topps sets would be 1952 the Big Kahuna, I am a fledgling with that set now. 1956, mine is complete but I guess I would go after all the back variations. I just love that set. and 1957, my birth year set and the set that got me back into collecting. 2) Bowman, 1948-I haven't started it. 1949-John Storman got me started on this one and I love it. and 1954, I have them all except the Williams. I have the Piersall so I feel its complete............. but its not. 3) I have always thought that I would like to leave my collection to my kids. I was very close to my Grandfather. He was quite a collector: Coins, stamps, beer steins and civil war weapons. He had 7 grand children and I was the one who enjoyed his collections. I know he would have wanted me and my cousins to have shared in his collecting pleasure. He died first and my Grandmother sold everything. I want to leave stuff to my kids. However, your point about cards getting too expensive is very valid and it gets harder to buy. So, I can see myself selling some cards to facilitate working on other sets. Thanks for the questions and I hope that you are well, Bob Bannon PS, my dupes box is also available but I know its not as interesting as **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 19:24:18 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, brockhattox@cs.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please Brock -- If I had to pick, I'd hang on to my 1953 and 1960 Topps sets, along with my1951 Bowman which is nowhere near complete. I really think with the prices today, it's not a badidea to do some culling and reap the rewards ofsome of those sets you built long ago...it's the only way to afford stuff these days. I look at my cards as "trading cards" - like they are supposed to be. I can trade for whatever suits my fancy at the current time. If it means I have to trade for cash, then buy what I want - same thingin my book as a normal trade. I haven't sold anything pre-1981 yet, butit's not out of the realm of possibility to get some tough T202s or T205s that I want. Take Care, --- On Mon, 7/14/08, brockhattox@cs.com wrote: From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Monday, July 14, 2008, 8:44 PM If you had to cull your collection down to a few sets, 1. What 6 sets from Topps from 1951 through 1973 would you keep and improve? 2. What 3 sets from Bowman from 1948 through 1955 would you keep and improve? 3. Are you going to leave your cards to your children and grandchildren,or sell them when you begin to feel your mortality... After bidding on several lots in recent auctions (Clean Sweep, REA, Hugginsand Scott) and being willing to bid about 20% of the winning bids, I am wondering if I should be a seller rather than a buyer.... By the way, my dupes box is still available to anyone... ================= To: , Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:39:09 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please Great question. I would keep Topps 67-71, the sets from my youth and 56. For Bowman 54 and 51. Although they all take a back seat to my 33 Goudey set. I=92ve really cut down on my buying, especially pre war as the prices are just too high. I=92ve traded and sold about =BD of my t206s as I realized I would never want to pay the money it would cost to complete. Had a lot of fun making the trades and as Geno says they are trading cards. I don=92t know that anyone in my family would want the whole collection. A few cards to my nephew and probably a few to my daughter. One of the 3-4 cards I=92d never sell is the 41 PB Williams I got from you! From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of brockhattox@cs.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:45 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please If you had to cull your collection down to a few sets, 1. What 6 sets from Topps from 1951 through 1973 would you keep and improve? 2. What 3 sets from Bowman from 1948 through 1955 would you keep and 3. Are you going to leave your cards to your children and grandchildren, or sell them when you begin to feel your mortality... After bidding on several lots in recent auctions (Clean Sweep, REA, Huggins and Scott) and being willing to bid about 20% of the winning bids, I am wondering if I should be a seller rather than a buyer.... By the way, my dupes box is still available to anyone... ================= Date: Mon, 14 Jul 2008 22:46:06 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Further thoughts from the aged member... I should have revealed my biases on the sets I love the most: 1952 where I have all the black and red backs, plus high numbers 1956 where I am still trying to complete the white and gray variations 1960, because I was 12 years old.... 1967, because the high numbers were so tough 1971 because my set has pretty good borders... 1948 Stan's rookie card 1951 Mickey and Willie's rookie cards 1953 The most beautiful set ever created... Whadda ya think??? PS. Don't forget, I am old enough to remember almost all of the players... Of course, that applies to most of the players in my Play Ball sets, too... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:09:48 -0500 (CDT) To: brockhattox@cs.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please Great question--with different answers for different reasons. Topps--1965-1967 inclusive. Three sets from my pack buying days. Still remember taking my 10 cent allowance and buying my first two packs of cards--1965 Topps. Later in the summer Jim Konstanty took us (my two older brothers and me) to his sporting goods store in Oneonta, NY and gave us the remaining packs from a couple of boxes--series 6 and 7. Not the greatest design--but wonderful memories. 1966 and 1967--high numbers and the chae continuing into middle age. But you can still be a kid about the collecting. Hundreds of series five dups--bought while waiting for the "news room" to get in the next series, which meant at least five and six of Clemente, Rose and Don Sutton. From the 50's--I might pick the 1959 set--whacky design and all. Bowman--1953 is a beautiful set, even in beat up condition. Great design on both the front and back. The B&W set works too. Only picked five sets--primarily because I have a single binder that has myDan Dee, Red Heart, Bell Brand, Hires root beer (nearly complete-(hint hint), and other oddball sets including 1962 Jello. The other sets of my youth are the Post Cereal sets and I would probably keep them before anything else with the exception of the 1965 set. Don't konw where my collection might be heading--I have two daughters who think I spend too much time with baseball cards anyway. Grandkids are in the hopefully distant future--but college expenses and weddings might be in the cards (ugh). Peter Mead From: brockhattox@cs.com Date: 2008/07/14 Mon PM 08:44:48 CDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please If you had to cull your collection down to a few sets, 1. What 6 sets from Topps from 1951 through 1973 would you keep and improve? 2. What 3 sets from Bowman from 1948 through 1955 would you keep and improve? 3. Are you going to leave your cards to your children and grandchildren, or sell them when you begin to feel your mortality... After bidding on several lots in recent auctions (Clean Sweep, REA, Hugginsand Scott) and being willing to bid about 20% of the winning bids, I am wondering if I should be a seller rather than a buyer.... By the way, my dupes box is still available to anyone... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:37:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rayluurs" Subject: Kurt asked me to let the group know I was wondering if you be so kind to post the following notice on the OBC website: Greetings to all OBCers! I look forward to seeing a number of you at the National later this month. I will be located at Booth 343. With help of my beautiful and talented wife, I have completed a partial relaunch of my website, k2doecards.com. I have loaded the $20 category with 80+ cards and in conjunction with the upcoming National, I am running an OBC-only special: 1 card for $18, 2 for $35 and 3 for $50. First come, first serve. I can and will deliver to the National to save S&H and I also now offer PayPal. Just a small way of saying thank you to the club. I have also been building a box of "Tiptons" that I annually present for the club to distribute at your annual party at the National. Thank you all for your past, present and future patronage. I greatly appreciate it. Kurt ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:41 EDT To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: just go away is anybody else getting sick and tired of my former hero brett favre getting his feelings hurt if everyone doesn't kiss his feet and beg him to stay? i am far from being a packer fan, but favre has tried to hold this team hostage for two years! they put up with it last year, and this year, wanting to know what was what before the draft, asked him to make a decision. he certainly has thought about it before, so asking him in march, when his last game was two months earlier, certainly isn't out of line or unreasonable for the packers to make such a request. this is a guy who's ego is too big and obviously needs the attention. well brett, i think you played that card once too often. someone will pick you up, and i suspect that at some point during the year, you will begin to whine about not getting enough playing time. heaven forbid you get benched -- then what. enough's enough brett, just go away and enjoy your retirement! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:32:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: Just Go Away In any other sport, I think the athletes are overpaid, spoiled etc. Football is the one sport where I think they should get as much money and if they can, play where they want. The contracts are not guaranteed, most of the careers are short, and every single football player lives in constant pain from the pounding that they take over their career. Some say its worth it, some say it is not. There are so many horror stories. So I say, Go Brett, Go! ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:50:31 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: Further thoughts from the aged member... Agreed that 1956 is a set worth keeping around. Such a tremendous collection of players and the horizontal layout looks great in 8-card pages. (Funny that the two executive cards are the only verticals--Topps couldn't find any "in action" shots of them signing checks? :) The 1967 set for the same reason you mention--freaking hard to get all those high numbers, especially outside of card slabs! When the Cardinals came to Boston for an inter-league series recently, Mike Shannon and Yaz threw out the first pitches to commemorate the 1967 World Series face-off. My first reaction was, naturally, why can't I find your card for an affordable price, Shannon?!?!? (Speaking of broadcaster Shannon and his frequent salutes to Anheuser-Busch, wonder what he thinks of the sale to InBev?) The 1951 and 1952 Bowmans hold a special place in my heart for both their players and compact, artistic design. Mike Diamante started my 1952 set in 1999 with a Jerry Coleman card and they just rolled from there... ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:23:14 -0400 To: brockhattox@cs.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help for an Aged Member, Please First of all I definitely do not consider you "Aged". As regards what sets to keep, that's an individual and personal preference.For me it would be 58T & 55B. My Tigers collection will stay in the family. Originally the plan was that it would go to my son. However, that not being possible now, I think it will go to his only child Shay Lynn. Now all I need to do is try to spark an interest. She has not demonstrated any thus far, however she's only 4, my wife thinks I should give it some My HOF, HOM/HOF and UV stuff will be divided among my 4 Grandsons. I have taken the cowards way out & will let my middle daughter decide the actual distribution. I personally would have a difficult time parting with any of my collection. There might come a time when playing with baseball cards will be one of the few activities I can participate in. Hope the grandkids won't mind a little drool! "We keep what we give away" ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:52:56 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I could not agree with you more. I have felt since his misty farewell press conference that Brett was a Bratt. All I heard was, "I gave everything to the game", "I gave everything to this team", "I don't think I can give any more". He sure did a lot of giving. I wonder if he was cashing those million dollar paychecks he was receiving each month. I wonder if he was feeling the love of the millions of low income fans that thought he was their representative. Oh he was good on the field and he did win a Super Bowl and he didn't miss a game for a very long time, but all of our MVP and Pro Bowl votes were based on being not just a great player but a great guy. In fact, there were better players out there but Brett got us with that Oh Shucks routine. Where is that sweet guy now? All he did when he cried good-bye was tell us what a great guy he was and how he gave everything to the game. He lost his Dad, we felt bad. His wife was sick, we felt bad. But when he said good bye it should have just been good bye. And by the way we heard it for the prior 2 years too. He hinted that he was done but waited for everyone to beg him to stay to show up 3 weeks late to Now he wants back in and is offended that the Packers, you know the guys that not only paid him 150 million dollars but watched him miss passes at critical times year after year but also lose a home game in the cold to the Giants last year that should have truly defined him, went ahead and started planning a team and a season after he bailed out. You think Rodgers had a tough time playing next season before? Bratt has made it near impossible for this kid to Like everyone else I wanted Brett Favre to be a great guy. He blew it. **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= To: , Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 12:10:30 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away Santa is a S.O.B. too. In jest of course...but frankly I am amazed that there is a football fan alive that says anything bad about Brett Favre. So what if he is getting oldand can't make up his mind to play or not...he is a human being, and can be unsure of what is best. I consider myself lucky to have been able to watch him play all these years. In a day when sports are a business, Favre, more than any other footballplayer represents playing for the love of the game...and to have fun. Now, it's close to the time when he should go...and part of him knows it's time, and part of him wants to stay. How unforgivable! I hope he plays...for my Vikings (if Green Bay doesn't want him). Kirby would be proud I think to have Brett in MN. To: Smartalecx@aol.com; dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; Tradingbases@yahoogroups.comFrom: biggies@aol.comDate: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:52:56 -0400Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I could not agree with you more. I have felt since his misty farewell pressconference that Brett was a Bratt. All I heard was, "I gave everything to the game", "I gave everything to this team", "I don't think I can give any more". He sure did a lot of giving. I wonder if he was cashing those million dollar paychecks he was receiving each month. I wonder if he was feeling the love of the millions of low income fans that thought he was their representative. Oh he was good on the field and he did win a Super Bowl and he didn't miss a game for a very long time, but all of our MVP and Pro Bowl votes were based on being not just a great player but a great guy. In fact, there were better players out there but Brett got us with that Oh Shucks routine. Where is that sweet guy now? All he did when he cried good-bye was tell us what a great guy he was and how he gave everything to the game. He lost his Dad, we felt bad. His wife was sick, we felt bad. But when he said good bye it should have just been good bye. And by the way we heard it for the prior 2 years too. He hinted that he was done but waited for everyone to beg him to stay to show up 3 weekslate to camp. Now he wants back in and is offended that the Packers, you know the guys that not only paid him 150 million dollars but watched him miss passes at critical times year after year but also lose a home game in the cold to the Giants last year that should have truly defined him, went ahead and started planning a team and a season after he bailed out. You think Rodgers had a tough time playing next season before? Bratt has made it near impossible for this kid to succeed. Like everyone else I wanted Brett Favre to be a great guy. He blew it. Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! It=92s a talkathon =96 but it=92s not just talk. http://www.imtalkathon.com/?sourceEML_WLH_Talkathon_JustTalk ================= To: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:15:29 -0700 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: just go away it will go away as soon as people quit talking about it. arod situation is almost gone. id rather hear about favre than bonds ================= To: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:27:18 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I agree with Mac-- Favre is one of the good ones. If he wants to play, anda team wants him, then let him play. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: biggies@aol.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:10 AM Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away Santa is a S.O.B. too. In jest of course...but frankly I am amazed that there is a football fan alive that says anything bad about Brett Favre. So what if he is getting old and can't make up his mind to play or not...he is a human being, and canbe unsure of what is best. I consider myself lucky to have been able to watch him play all these years. In a day when sports are a business, Favre, more than any other football player represents playing for the love of the game...and to have fun. Now, it's close to the time when he should go...and part of him knows it's time, and part of him wants to stay. How unforgivable! I hope he plays...for my Vikings (if Green Bay doesn't want him). Kirby would be proud I think to have Brett in MN. To: Smartalecx@aol.com; dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:52:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I could not agree with you more. I have felt since his misty farewell press conference that Brett was a Bratt. All I heard was, "I gave everything to the game", "I gave everything to this team", "I don't think I can give any more". He sure did a lot of giving. I wonder if he was cashing those million dollar paychecks he was receiving each month. I wonder if he was feeling the love of the millions of low income fans that thought he was their representative. Oh he was good on the field and he did win a Super Bowl and he didn't miss a game for a very long time, but all of our MVP and Pro Bowl votes were based on being not just a great player but a great guy. In fact, there were better players out there but Brett got us with that Oh Shucks routine. Where is that sweet guy now? All he did when he cried good-bye was tell us what a great guy he was andhow he gave everything to the game. He lost his Dad, we felt bad. His wifewas sick, we felt bad. But when he said good bye it should have just been good bye. And by the way we heard it for the prior 2 years too. He hinted that he was done but waited for everyone to beg him to stay to show up 3 weeks late to camp. Now he wants back in and is offended that the Packers, you know the guys that not only paid him 150 million dollars but watched him miss passes at critical times year after year but also lose a home game in the cold to the Giants last year that should have truly defined him, went ahead and startedplanning a team and a season after he bailed out. You think Rodgers had a tough time playing next season before? Bratt has made it near impossible for this kid to succeed. Like everyone else I wanted Brett Favre to be a great guy. He blew it. Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! It=92s a talkathon =96 but it=92s not just talk. Check out the i=92m Talkathon. ================= To: Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 09:46:13 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Web Site Feedback What are your thoughts about website presentation with respect to page navigation. My web site has always been segemented into separate pages for each of my collection types - a page for 50's sets, 60's sets, playters, HOF'ers, etc. My current website can be found here - http://home.roadrunner.com/~el_greenwood/. I need about 500 cards to finish out my sets, player and HOF collections. I was thinking about creating a consolidate page to document completion of my current collecting goals. I will likely move on to types and maybe a few other items. Anyways, I found some code online to present a consolidated look that allows sorting by columns, and was thinking about redesigning my web site to reflect the new look. Here is the in-process page - http://home.roadrunner.com/~el_greenwood/500.html. Thank you in advance for your input. A word of warning, the page does contain UV, and in fact my #1 card is a UV (to finish off my all players named Greenwood project - I was able to get an Old Judge Bill Greenwood, but this one has been elusive). Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:14:15 EDT To: el_greenwood@adelphia.net From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site Feedback erik: having combined pages at one time, i was admonished by the obcac that the main page listed in the directory could not have any UV on it, so beware! In a message dated 7/15/2008 11:47:39 AM Central Daylight Time, el_greenwood@adelphia.net writes: What are your thoughts about website presentation with respect to page navigation. My web site has always been segemented into separate pages for each of my collection types - a page for 50's sets, 60's sets, playters, HOF'ers, etc. My current website can be found here - _http://home.http://homehttp://home. From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Web Site Feedback I liked your original page much better, easier to find things. My only complaint was the scrolling on the 10 or less wanted to be a bit annoying. I would not have the patience for it to fully scroll. The new page would be better with a heading (perhaps w/ picture) before each set or grouping. For example your last grouping starts 423 Addie Joss (GU) UNK Addie Joss HOF GU I've no idea what this is. On Tue, Jul 15, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Erik & Leticia Greenwood wrote: > What are your thoughts about website presentation with respect to page > navigation. My web site has always been segemented into separate pages for > each of my collection types - a page for 50's sets, 60's sets, playters, > HOF'ers, etc. My current website can be found here - > http://home.roadrunner.com/~el_greenwood/. > I need about 500 cards to finish out my sets, player and HOF collections. I > was thinking about creating a consolidate page to document completion of my > current collecting goals. I will likely move on to types and maybe a few > other items. Anyways, I found some code online to present a consolidated > look that allows sorting by columns, and was thinking about redesigning my > web site to reflect the new look. Here is the in-process page - > http://home.roadrunner.com/~el_greenwood/500.html. > Thank you in advance for your input. A word of warning, the page does > contain UV, and in fact my #1 card is a UV (to finish off my all players > named Greenwood project - I was able to get an Old Judge Bill Greenwood, but > this one has been elusive). > Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:09:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "David Skoglund" Subject: Re: Help for an Aged Member, Please --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, brockhattox@... wrote: > If you had to cull your collection down to a few sets, > 1. What 6 sets from Topps from 1951 through 1973 would you keep and > 2. What 3 sets from Bowman from 1948 through 1955 would you keep and > improve? > 3. Are you going to leave your cards to your children and grandchildren, or > sell them when you begin to feel your mortality... 1. Man, tough question. Off the top of my head my favorites are 1956, 1965, 1968, 1973, 1974, and 1975. However, I've completed five of those six so that wouldn't leave me much. I'm not into improving what I've got. I love my beater cards. 2. 1953, 1954 and 1955 Bowman. This is an easy one since those are the only three Bowman sets I'm looking for. 3. I can't imagine my collection would bring anyone much of a windfall, but I'm going to try and keep things as organized as possible going forward. If I can't tell what I've got, I pity my family trying to figure it out. And speaking of keeping things organized, I've updated my main wantlist for the first time in almost four years. http://home.att.net/~david.skoglund/wantlist_50_80.htm ================= To: apspr@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:36:55 -0400 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I am a Farve fan...THE PACKERS WERE 13-3 LAST YEAR!!! Add to that the youngest team in the NFL, a third string RB (who will be a star one day), and aslew of injuries to their starting defense. And still Brett led them to a 13-3 season....let him play...I suspect the Packers, looking toward the future, told Brett last year that he was going to be the back-up this year to Rodgers and that prompted his retirement...Brett is a competitor...he wantsto start, that is completely understandable. Let him start until he cannotdo it anymore and is ineffective. If he does come back, I hope it is to the Pack...if not...maybe he will seek out his old friend in Seattle. -----Original Message----- From: Tim Newcomb To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 9:27 am Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I agree with Mac-- Favre is one of the good ones. If he wants to play, anda team wants him, then let him ----- Original Message ----- Mac Wubben To: biggies@aol.com ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 11:10 Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] just go Santa is a S.O.B. too. In jest of course...but frankly I am amazed that there is a football fan alive that says anything bad about Brett Favre. So what if2 0he is getting old and can't make up his mind to play or not...he is a human being, and can be unsure of what is I consider myself lucky to have been able to watch him play all these years. In a day when sports are a business, Favre, more than any other football player represents playing for the love of the game...and have fun. Now, it's close to the time when he should go...and part of him knows it's time, and part of him wants to stay. I hope he plays...for my Vikings (if Green Bay doesn't want him). Kirby would be proud I think to have Brett in To: Smartalecx@aol.com; dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; From: biggies@aol.com Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:52:56 -0400 Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go I could not agree with you more. I have felt since his misty farewell press conference that Brett was a Bratt. All I heard was, "I gave everything to the game", "I gave everything to this team", "I don't think I can give any more". He sure did a lot of giving. I wonder if he was cashingthose million dollar paychecks he was receiving each month. I wonder if he was feeling the love of the millions of low income fans that thoug ht he was their Oh he was good on the field and he did win a Super Bowl and he didn't miss a game for a very long time, but all of our MVP and Pro Bowl votes were based on being not just a great player but a great guy. In fact, there were better players out there but Brett got us with thatOh Shucks Where is that sweet guy now? All he did when he cried good-bye was tell us what a great guy he was and how he gave everything to the game. He lost his Dad, we felt bad. His wife sick, we felt bad. But when he said good bye it should have just been good bye. And by the way we heard it for the prior 2 years too. He hinted thathe was done but waited for everyone to beg him to stay to show up 3 weeks late Now he wants back in and is offended that the Packers, you know the guys that not only paid him 150 million dollars but watched him miss passes at critical times year after year but also lose a home game in the cold to the Giants last year that should have truly defined him, went ahead and started planning a team and a season after he bailed out. You think Rodgers had a tough time playing next season before? Bratt has made it near impossible for this kid to succeed. Like everyone else I wanted20Brett Favre to be a great guy. He blew Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! It=E2=99s a talkathon =E2=93 but it=E2=99s not just talk. Check out the i=E2=99m Talkathon. ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 16:05:50 -0700 (PDT) To: smartalecx@aol.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I am one of the few OBC members who live in Wisconsin. I have been a Packer fan since I was old enough to watch the games (as a child, I thought that football was just another TV show--no matter how far behind they were, Lombardi's Packers always won). I have appreciated the Packers rise to prominence over the last 15 years after a couple decades of misery. However, all that said, ......, I have had enough of Favre, Since 2002, he has sparked talk of retirement every year, so that he is the center of attention during the off-seaon. He tells them he is retiring. Management contacts him regularly throughout the off season and he says that he is retiring. Before the draft, he tells them he is retiring. Of course they draft quarterbacks and look ahead. He has to be the big story. If he comes back, he splits the team, most of whom want to play with Rodgers. At this point, the local sports talk shows spend most of their time talking about Favre. Calls from Packer fans seem to be running against Favre. As a longtime Packers fan, I agree with Gary that Favre should just go away. Mike W smartalecx@aol.com wrote: is anybody else getting sick and tired of my former hero brett favre getting his feelings hurt if everyone doesn't kiss his feet and beg him to stay? i am far from being a packer fan, but favre has tried to hold this team hostage for two years! they put up with it last year, and this year, wanting to know what was what before the draft, asked him to make a decision. he certainly has thought about it before, so asking him in march, when his last game was two months earlier, certainly isn't out of line or unreasonable for the packers to make such a request. this is a guy who's ego is too big and obviously needs the attention. well brett, i think you played that card once too often. someone will pick you up, and i suspect that at some point during the year, you will begin to whine about not getting enough playing time. heaven forbid you get benched -- then what. enough's enough brett, just go away and enjoy your retirement! Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! ================= To: , Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 19:41:31 -0400 From: "Carlos Alcazar" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I can appreciate this point of view, but I'd have to go the other way on this. I'm a Favre fan, I like watching him play the QB position. With that said Ican definitely understand that his yearly off season soap opera would get very grating for a Packer fan. The problem is that he has played long enough and consistently well enough over his career to have earned the right to change his mind an endless number of times if he so chooses. It's mindnumbing but you wouldn't have put up with it any of these other seasons if you had a significantly better option at Quarterback. The fact was that Favre has a monstrous ego and the precedent was set a long time ago that if the talent is sufficient, people put up with the ego because most of the greats have some element of ego in their personality, whether it comes out overtly or not. You as a fan, by constrast have the right to be sick of it and not want to see it anymore. The Packers seem to be leaning the same way, which is their right. All this means however, is that since Favre wants to play again, and you don't want to see him, the team needs to suck up the potential PR hit and release him. Let him play elsewhere and begin the Rodgers era. With that said though, I'm not sure how you come up with "most of whom [theteam] want to play with Rodgers." Now, they might like the guy, he might be good, but if you want to win it'stough to argue that the guy with 1 career TD and 35 career completions is an enthusiastic choice for the players. Everybody wants to see what the guy can do, but I doubt everybody is overly concerned with Rodgers finally getting his shot at the expense of wins. That's just me though. ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Wierzbicki To: smartalecx@aol.com ; dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I am one of the few OBC members who live in Wisconsin. I have been a Packer fan since I was old enough to watch the games (as a child, I thought that football was just another TV show--no matter how far behind they were, Lombardi's Packers always won). I have appreciated the Packers rise to prominence over the last 15 years after a couple decades of misery. However, all that said, ......, I have had enough of Favre, Since 2002, he has sparked talk of retirement every year, so that he is the center of attention during the off-seaon. He tells them he is retiring. Management contacts him regularly throughout the off season and he says that he is retiring. Before the draft, he tells them he is retiring. Of course they draft quarterbacks and look ahead. He has to be the big story. If he comes back, he splits the team, most of whom want to play with Rodgers. At this point, the local sports talk shows spend most of their time talking about Favre. Calls from Packer fans seem to be running against Favre. As a longtime Packers fan, I agree with Gary that Favre should just go away. Mike W. ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com,dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com,OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:44:40 -0800 From: "grains" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away My opinion- Favre and Bonds should go somehwere and get a ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:41 EDT >is anybody else getting sick and tired of my former hero >brett favre getting his feelings hurt if everyone doesn't >kiss his feet and beg him to stay? >i am far from being a packer fan, but favre has tried to >hold this team hostage for two years! they put up with >it last year, and this year, wanting to know what was >what before the draft, asked him to make a decision. >he certainly has thought about it before, so asking him in >march, when his last game was two months earlier, >certainly isn't out of line or unreasonable for the >packers to make such a request. >this is a guy who's ego is too big and obviously needs the >attention. well brett, i think you played that card once >too often. >someone will pick you up, and i suspect that at some point >during the year, you will begin to whine about not >getting enough playing time. heaven forbid you get >benched -- then what. >enough's enough brett, just go away and enjoy your >**************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows >and the live music scene in your area - Check out >(http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:31:26 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: too cool was that not the greatest introduction of players in an all star game ever? just too great! say hey willie, its ok to smile! **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:44:28 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Joel GYselinck Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I wish I could afford to pay the major league minimum to Barry... my toiletneeds cleaning again --- On Tue, 7/15/08, grains wrote: From: grains Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away To: smartalecx@aol.com, dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 4:44 PM My opinion- Favre and Bonds should go somehwere and get a ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol. com To: dugouttraders@ yahoogroups. com, OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com, OCTraders@yahoogrou ps.com, Tradingbases@ yahoogroups. com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:41 EDT >is anybody else getting sick and tired of my former hero >brett favre getting his feelings hurt if everyone doesn't >kiss his feet and beg him to stay? >i am far from being a packer fan, but favre has tried to >hold this team hostage for two years! they put up with >it last year, and this year, wanting to know what was >what before the draft, asked him to make a decision. >he certainly has thought about it before, so asking him in >march, when his last game was two months earlier, >certainly isn't out of line or unreasonable for the >packers to make such a request. >this is a guy who's ego is too big and obviously needs the >attention. well brett, i think you played that card once >too often. >someone will pick you up, and i suspect that at some point >during the year, you will begin to whine about not >getting enough playing time. heaven forbid you get >benched -- then what. >enough's enough brett, just go away and enjoy your >*********** ***Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows >and the live music scene in your area - Check out >TourTracker. com! >(http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID aolmus0005000000 0112) ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:25:45 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I hope Farve goes away...to NY and QB the Jets! I have no problem with him changing his mind. In baseball, a guy can come to spring training then decide he can't do it anymore. You aren't allowed that luxury in football. If he thinks he can do it and still wants to, I say go for it. I'm going to let my body tell me I can't play softball any longer when I go out on the field. I'll know if I can't contribute to wins any longer. If my teams think its time for me to move on, then I'll find someone else to play with. In a message dated 7/16/2008 12:44:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, goose54197783@yahoo.com writes: I wish I could afford to pay the major league minimum to Barry... my toilet needs cleaning again --- On Tue, 7/15/08, grains wrote: From: grains Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away To: smartalecx@aol.To: smartalecx@aol.com, To: smartaleTo: smartalecx@aol.com, To: smartaleTo: smartalecx@aol.com, To: smartalecx@aol.com, To: smartaleTo: Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2008, 4:44 PM My opinion- Favre and Bonds should go somehwere and get a ----- Original Message ----- From: _smartalecx@aol. com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) To: _dugouttraders@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com) , _OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) , _OCTraders@yahoogrou ps.com_ (mailto:OCTraders@yahoogroups.com) , _Tradingbases@ yahoogroups. com_ (mailto:Tradingbases@yahoogroups.com) Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:22:41 EDT >is anybody else getting sick and tired of my former hero >brett favre getting his feelings hurt if everyone doesn't >kiss his feet and beg him to stay? >i am far from being a packer fan, but favre has tried to >hold this team hostage for two years! they put up with >it last year, and this year, wanting to know what was >what before the draft, asked him to make a decision. >he certainly has thought about it before, so asking him in >march, when his last game was two months earlier, >certainly isn't out of line or unreasonable for the >packers to make such a request. >this is a guy who's ego is too big and obviously needs the >attention. well brett, i think you played that card once >too often. >someone will pick you up, and i suspect that at some point >during the year, you will begin to whine about not >getting enough playing time. heaven forbid you get >benched -- then what. >enough's enough brett, just go away and enjoy your >*********** ***Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows >and the live music scene in your area - Check out >TourTracker. com! >(_http://www.tourtrac ker.com?NCID= aolmus0005000000 0112_ (http://www.tourtracker.com/?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ) **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:35:04 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] too cool Gotta agree with Gary on both counts. Great occasion, but Mays looked as ifsomebody had put sand in his shorts. Miserable old SOB! Meanwhile, Yogi Berra and Ernie Banks (as per usual for Ernie) just couldn't stop smiling!! If only I could have stayed awake long enough to watch the game! (Had to switch off before the first pitch....hey, it was 2am and I had to work this morning!) ----- Original Message ---- From: "smartalecx@aol.com" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 1:31:26 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] too cool was that not the greatest introduction of playersin an all star game ever? just too great! say hey willie, its ok to smile! ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 08:17:40 -0400 To: smartalecx@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] just go away I have been straddling the fence on this one. I have admired Favre's resilience both on and off the field and have considered him to be a class act. Not knowing all the behind the scenes stuff, I think both sides have legitimate reasons for their actions and statements. That is until Favre publicly threw Thompson & McCarthy under the bus regarding "mistakes" in no signing or interviewing certain people. He was quick to add that those mistakes did not factor into his decision to request a release. OK, then why bring it up? I lost some respect for Brett and that he should temper his comments or just go away. "We keep what we give away" ================= To: Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 10:05:15 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: just go away From my perspective this is ultimately a business decision for the Packers.They have a new coach and a new system and this is the perfect time to make a change of quarterback. Their decision to start Rodgers makes business sense and was based on Favre's statement that he was retiring. Favre's continual flipflop on retirement puts them in a precarious position if he returns, as his presence is sure to disrupt the team chemistry, especially given his recent statements of not being loved. Here are the factors as I see them: 1) You've already made Rodgers the starter. You are putting in a new coaches system so why not get him in on the ground floor as the starter? 2) Disrupting team chemistry if you open up the position to competition. 3) What this does to Rodgers long term if you allow Favre to disrupt the team. 4) You don't want to release him as the most likely teams to get him are in your division. Why help them out. 5) If you can get significant help or draft choices, trade him to a team you don't play this year, preferably a bad team. 6) If you can't trade him, he becomes the backup quarterback. 7) If he can't accept that, let him take his ball and go home. 8) If you let him come back and start, when do you say enough is enough? He's had plenty of opportunity to change his mind prior to this. 9) Any way the Packers go they look like the bad guy so make the best business ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 20:30:03 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: aol technical question To the techies out there, I use my ftp space in AOL to host my wantlist and assorted scans of cards. Lately when I've been trying to connect to my ftp space to upload files, I've gotten the error message "Too Many Gateway Sessions". What's the English translation? Is there anything I can do to get around this so I can update my wantlist, upload scans, etc? **************Get the scoop on last night's hottest shows and the live music scene in your area - Check out TourTracker.com! (http://www.tourtracker.com?NCID=aolmus00050000000112) ================= Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 18:46:31 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Michael Wierzbicki Subject: I'm Back! Hi, Guys! I have been pretty inactive in OBC for the last several years. However, things have changed in my life and I expect to be more active from here on. I wanted to take a few minutes to tell the group about my recent experiences and to introduce myself to the group's newcomers. I am a faculty member in the Department of Psychology at Marquette University. Six years ago, I took on the role of Department Chair. After serving two 3-year terms, I stepped down from the chairmanship today! Some OBC members are academics and know how demanding are the chair's administrative duties. Many times, I have gone to work expecting to be able to spend several hours on my own research only to find so many fires to put out that I don't get to my own work for several weeks. I am very pleased with how things have gone over the last six years. We increased the size of our faculty from 14 to 16. We increased the number of graduate assistantships that we receive from the university. We hired 7 junior faculty members, every one of whom is a potential star in his or her field. We moved to a brand new facility, built expressly to meet our research and clinical needs. We passed two accreditation reviews of our doctoral program. In fact, at the end of the most recent accreditation visit, the reviewers told the university administrtation that our training clinic may rank in the top ten in the country! In addition to dealing with the usual day-to-day issues, I also had to deal with three maternity leaves, three medical leaves, a 3-year administrative leave of a senior faculty member, and the death of one faculty member. No wonder I have had little time for cards! I am a Brewers fan, getting to about 20 games a year, and am very excited about their recent improvement. Picking up CC Sabathia was a sign that they are serious about reaching the playoffs for the first time since 1982. My collecting goals remain the same--I am still looking for about 50 superstar and/or short print Topps cards from 1953 to 1967. Since these are scarce, I added the 1952 Topps, 1953-1955 Bowman, the 1959-1963 Fleer sets, the 1961=1963 Post/Jellp sets, and the 1975-1979 Hostess sets. I have also started picking up Brewers media guides, schedules, and programs, although I haven't yet added these to my posted lists. I am also interested in any Milwaukee Braves memorabilia. Sorry for taking so long (and for toting my own horn), but I wanted to give you an idea of what has been keeping me away from baseball cards and to (re)introduce myself to the group. I hope to see you in Chicago at the National! Mike Wierzbicki ================= Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 14:29:03 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Availables: 1970s Red Sox A nice eBay dealer tossed in several extras to my order today. Who can use 'em? 1975T 430 Tiant 1976T 25 Torrez (autographed) 29 Burleson 130 Tiant (autographed) There's also a grab-bag of UV Red Sox, mostly 80s and 90s stars. Let me know if you want those, too. Include your address for superfast packing! ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 02:02:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Who was Danny Murphy and what kind of career did he have? Most of the time when I look on the back of a card and read the players stats and he is a player who has big league stats for a few years I notice 4 or 5 years of records as a minor league player before he made the majors. Also I notice most players are 22, 23 years old in their first season in the majors and it is after several years in the minors. That is what made me notice the stats on Danny Murphy's 1961 topps card. I noticed in 1960 he played for the Cubs and he was only 18 years old. Not too many players make it to the big leagues at 18. Also I noticed stats for only 1 minor league team he played with, San Antonio, also in 1960. I bet there aren't too many players who only play part of a year in the minors and then are in the major leagues the same year and only 18 years old. I see a lot of players with stats of years in the minors before they make it. This guy must have been a really good player to make it to the majors so fast and only 18. His 61 topps card which I have has him on the Cubs. Did he stay in the majors for good? What kind of a career did he have? ================= To: "'Linda'" , Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:19:55 -0400 From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Danny Murphy and what kind of career did he have? http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/murphda04.shtml Not much of a career although I wish I could say I had 4 home runs in the From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Linda Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:02 PM To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Danny Murphy and what kind of career did he Most of the time when I look on the back of a card and read the players stats and he is a player who has big league stats for a few years I notice 4 or 5 years of records as a minor league player before he made the majors. Also I notice most players are 22, 23 years old in their first season in the majors and it is after several years in the minors. That is what made me notice the stats on Danny Murphy's 1961 topps card. I noticed in 1960 he played for the Cubs and he was only 18 years old. Not too many players make it to the big leagues at 18. Also I noticed stats for only 1 minor league team he played with, San Antonio, also in 1960. I bet there aren't too many players who only play part of a year in the minors and then are in the major leagues the same year and only 18 years old. I see a lot of players with stats of years in the minors before they make it. This guy must have been a really good player to make it to the majors so fast and only 18. His 61 topps card which I have has him on the Cubs. Did he stay in the majors for good? What kind of a career did he have? ================= To: Bob Donaldson , 'Linda' , Date: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:36:44 -0400 From: Bob Reed Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Danny Murphy and what kind of career Danny Murphy was the anti-Rick Ankiel. He started his career as an outfielder from 1960 to 1962 before returning as a pitcher in 1969 and 1970. He was a huge star in high school, hitting .489 and going 11-0 as a pitcherand was traded for Hall of Famer Nellie Fox in 1963. He appeared on Topps cards... 1961 214 1962 119 1963 272 1970 146 To: jazzgirl1920s@aol.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: obcbobd@gmail.comDate: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 22:19:55 -0400Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Danny Murphy and what kind of career did he have? http://www.baseball-reference.com/m/murphda04.shtml Not much of a career although I wish I could say I had 4 home runs in the majors From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of LindaSent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 10:02 PMTo: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] Who was Danny Murphy and what kind of career did he have? Most of the time when I look on the back of a card and read the players stats and he is a player who has big league stats for a few years I notice 4 or 5 years of records as a minor league player before he made the majors. Also I notice most players are 22, 23 years old in their first season in the majors and it is after several years in the minors.That is what made me notice the stats on Danny Murphy's 1961 topps card. I noticed in 1960 he played for the Cubs and he was only 18 years old. Not too many players make it to the big leagues at 18. Also I noticed stats for only 1 minor league team he played with, San Antonio, also in 1960. I bet there aren't too many players who only play part of a year in the minors and then are in the major leagues the same year and only 18 years old. I see a lot of players with stats of years in the minors before they make it. This guy must have been a really good player to make it to the majors so fast and only 18. His 61 topps card which I have has him on the Cubs. Did he stay in the majors for good? What kind of a career did he have?Linda Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 00:30:58 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: National Updates and wantlists Ok boys, we are coming down to the home stretch for the 2008 National Festivities. Here's where we are at... Cubs tickets are still in question. They will, however, be face value. Might be pretty good tickets. If my source comes through, I could have between 1-5 tickets available. Probably looking at the 50-60 dollar price range. Still, no guarantees on getting them. Probably won't know until I get there. Again, there seem to be singles available. You might want to check out the Cubs site. Me and Kent will have a vehicle and can probably squeeze one maybe 2 guys with us and his nephew. I have updated my wantlists, so feel free to take a gander at them. I have a few short needs on the supplemental list and also on my main list. I know I'm always last to do it, but I suggest you update, especially if you are heading to Chicago. We tend to do some group searching. Have your cell phone handy! Best Laid Plans Dept: Kent and myself did a nice job of predicting the gas crunch this summer. We figured that would raise airfare prices. Excellent in theory. BUT I just redid my itinerary and found out it's now $25 less. Dang, that is at least my 1960 Aaron card! Dealer Badges: Someone should jump on these. Great way to save some bucks. I'm going VIP so I can wait on the autograph lines again (I really just want to see if they upgraded the way they do things), and get those useless cards they hand out. Kent, remind me to try to sell some there at the show. I found a bunch of cards hidden here that I alzheimered on. They will hit the mail this weekend. Man, I suck sometimes! Has anyone heard from Big Al? I haven't seen hide nor hair of him in ages. Not sure what happened on the last role call. Al has been a National regular for years. Just want to know if he started his trek from Seattle. We all know Al has a way of making a straight driving line curvy :-)... Same for Steve RittenBama. Steve are you taking the trek north to see your "cousin" this year? If so, and we all go to that restaurant to eat, bring Milwaukee Braves cards for the host. We ate great and the hospitality was ACES! Besides, they have hotties in that place. You know I will have to have my annual picture with one of the local ladies. JSG I promise to be good if we take a subway ride this time (maybe!). A Little Help Dept: We will need a place for our swap session on Sat nite. As some are a little spread around among different hotels, can you please check to see if they have a meeting/conference room we can use that nite when you get to your sleeping destination. Free is preferred! I have a feeling I am going to miss Ken more than anyone... Here is the latest roster... If you are on this list, please fill in your blanks by emailing me the missing information. Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Extended Stay O'Hare Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Extended Stay Deluxe Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 TBA Yes+2 Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Maybe Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Phil Chiemelewski Home Marshall West 801-979-7205 Sofitel Chicago O'Hare Yes+1 No W-Sa 10 more days for me! I can't wait to attack an OBC box at the National... **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 08:10:26 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: DEALER SCUM Hello All, This message deals with DEALER SCUM – if that sort of message offends you on this server then please simply delete the message now and keep blood pressure down. As I mentioned yesterday I picked up a box of cards from OBC friendly dealer Mike Sandles that he put together for me after we spoke last week at the Royal Oak Elks Club card show. The box had plenty of “well loved” specimens from `52 - `78 with many commons but a number of Stars, HOF’ers, HI numbers and the like. I really didn’t expect Mike to put the box together so quickly so I was taken by surprise a bit and with the National coming up I spent more than I would have liked to. So I made a decision to offer to the group some of these great finds. Now I must say, that this is the first time that I have ever done this and I’m not real comfortable doing so as I would really just like to send these out and trade them and such. However, I cut into my National budget and I see these as pretty good deals and I can help some of you guys out and get a few bucks back to spend in Chicago. I would also consider any trade offer for stuff that I need. Now these cards are “bargain bid” cards with none better than VG in condition and all are priced at 8 - 10% of a very old book or less. I cherry picked all the cards that might be of interest to collectors and without further explanation here is what I have to offer: Cards for $1 1958 Topps - George Kell #40 1958 Topps - Carl Erskine #258 1958 Topps - Carl Furillo #417 1959 Topps - Early Wynn #260 1959 Topps - Orlando Cepeda #390 1959 Topps – Bill Mazerowski #415 1962 Post – Al Kaline #20 1962 Post – Brooks Robinson #29 1962 Post – Ernie Banks #188 1962 Topps – Whitey Ford WS #315 1963 Topps – Roger Maris WS #144 1965 Topps Embossed – Sandy Koufax #8 1965 Topps Embossed – Brooks Robinson #16 1966 Topps – Joe Cunningham #531 1966 Topps – Joel Horlen #560 1969 Topps Deckle – Willie Mays #33 1970 Topps – Lou Brock #330 1971 Topps FB – Fran Tarkenton #120 1971 Topps FB – Len Dawson #180 1973 Topps – Johnny Bench #380 1975 Topps - `74 Highlights w/Ryan #7 1975 Topps – Jim Rice RC #616 Cards for $2 1954 Topps – Ed Lopat #5 1954 Topps – Al Rosen #15 1955 Topps – Jim Gilliam #5 1957 Topps – Enos Slaughter #215 1958 Topps – Bobby Richardson #101 1958 Topps – Jim Bunning #115 1958 Topps – Braves Team #377 1959 Topps – Richie Ashburn #300 1959 Topps – Wally Moon #530 1962 Post – Joe Amalfitano SP #144 1963 Post – Chuck Cottier #98 1971 Topps FB – Dick Butkus #25 1975 Topps mini – Pete Rose #320 Cards for $3 1954 Topps – Junior Gilliam #35 1957 Topps – Robin Roberts #15 1958 Topps – Gil Hodges #162 1958 Topps – Stan Musial #476 1959 Topps – Felipe Alou RC #102 1959 Topps – Aaron Baseball Thrill #467 1961 Topps – Jim Perry AS #584 1975 Topps – Nolan Ryan Highlights #5 1975 Topps – Hank Aaron #660 Cards for $4 1958 Topps – Pee Wee Reese #375 1956 Topps – Hoyt Wilhelm #307 1957 Topps – Gil Hodges #80 1966 Topps – Roger Craig SP #543 1969 Topps – Willie Mays #190 1978 Topps – Eddie Murray #36 Cards for $5 1952 Bowman – Bob Lemon #23 1959 Topps – Whitey Ford #430 1964 Topps – Frank Robinson #260 1969 Topps – Bob Clemente #50 1970 Topps – Ernie Banks #630 Cards for $7 1958 Topps – Duke Snider #88 1959 Topps – Ernie Banks #350 1965 Topps – Lou Brock #540 1969 Topps – Tom Seaver #480 1973 Topps – Roberto Clemente #50 If you were to ever visit Mike Sandles display at a show you would know that he sets out boxes marked $1, $2, $3, $5 & $7. He places higher value items in a small showcase, my bet is that I have priced these similar to how he would have done if he had priced them out individually (perhaps a bit below what he would have done). I think these are very good prices for some material that is often a bit more difficult to come by. If we can help each other out then feel free to contact me. If there is anyone out there who believes that I owe you cardboard please do not be bashful if you see something that you would like and that would get us even. Once again I would also entertain anyone who wishes to trade for something on this list – I can do that as well. Thanks for indulging me and please don’t give me grief over the “dealer scum” content – if it offends you and you didn’t delete after the first sentence then just do it now and simply forget about it. My real hope is that this “offer” will be helpful for guys who want to fill a hole in their collection. BE WELL!!! REGARDS --------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 17:27:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "rlabs1" Subject: death - birth - accident- the story of my vacation This is a long tale of a vacation gone awry. If you want read it - it was a strange trip. My niece was due to have a c- section on the day we were scheduled to arrive. We were going to arrive in the evening. We left El Paso right on time and arrived in Dallas with no problem. We boarded the plane on time and waited for take off - this was my fist day of flying. Then they announce that the door latch light will not go off and there would be a delay. Half an hour later the door latch light was fixed. They then announced we would wait another half hour because a storm was approaching Philly. After that half hour they said we were going to wait loner and we taxied off to the side. After about another half hour they returned us to the terminal so we could stretch our legs. After about 15 minutes they announced our flight was cancelled. We got on standby for the next flight but also purchased tickets on Saturdays flight. The next flight to Philly was supposed to leave at 8:30 but did not leave until 10:30 - we did not make standby. We tool the little train to the hotel - by this time it is almost midnight - we got what they said was their last room. The room was a highlight as they gave us a suite for a regular room price. We had called the car rental place to tell them we would be late. As this was happening my niece had her baby - however it took a bad turn and my niece had to receive 11 units of blood and 3 units of other liquids. This all turned out as now mother and baby are home doing great - the baby now weighs almost 5 pounds. Saturday morning we get up with high expectations. We walked over to the terminal and quickly boarded the plane. We were prepared for takeoff when they announce that we would be delayed because the toilet was not charging. It seems as though everything went in half hour intervals because in half an hour they announce the valve was now broken. About 45 minutes later they announced we would take off and just not use the forward toilet - the flight to Philly was great. We landed in Philly, picked up the luggage and headed to the car rental place. We got there and they said they rewrote the contract because we called and said we would be late. They wanted to charge us $250 more. Only one person was really willing to listen and an hour and 45 minutes later we were given the original rate. We declined all the insurances because what could happen - more on that We made it to my mom's place without any problems. My wife gets a call her father collapsed and is in a drug induced coma but he showed good signs. We decide to continue our vacation and headed to Atlantic City to the Borgata - we were to stay for 2 days. We were in the casino for about 15 minutes when they paged her over the intercom - you know that can't be good. They said get to Milwaukee immediately. We left the casino to drive to the Philadelphia airport. This was a Sunday and the expressway was packed - it took us 2 hours to go 50 miles. We get to the airport and the flight left in 2 hours. Her father dies Tuesday night. Everyone flew back to Philly on that Friday. We are haing a memorial service next Satuday. My son in law and I had stayed at my mom's. We attended the Phillies game on that Thursday and saw my team win. The Phillies triumphed. I wanted to show my son in law the stadium but we were stuck in traffic for 2 hours and got there just in time to grab a hot dog and get to our seats. The ride home took almost 3 hours. At some point in the next few days someone hit our rental car. Since it was a hit and run we only have to pay the first $250 I left out some things - I was cooking supper at my mom's and all of a sudden a wall of flame shoots out. I grab the pan and put it in the sink, This was an electric stove so the flame went out quickly. The burner had a bare spot and acted like a welder and burnt a hole in a stainless steel pan. Continuing with supper I was having difficulty with the mixed. I hand it to my mom and it bursts into flames. I quickly unplugged it. No one would let me use the microwave - I could not understand why. Now, it was time to head home. We returned the rental car and headed across the street to the airport. We boarded the plane and there is an announcement we would be delayed. The pilot said there were 20 planes ahead of us to take off. We had planned to have an hour between landing in Dallas and taking off to El Paso. We were 45 minutes late taking off. We landed in Dallas had enough time to go the bathroom and board the plane home from our strange and twisted journey. Every card shop I went to had virtually nothing. I know I left out some things but my mind is boggled. Richard Labs ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 19:35:17 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: DEALER SCUM - Update The response to my posting has been overwhelming. Over 25 traders have already responded and it's clear that I could offer Postiee SP's & Stars and `66 HI numbers at a buck or two to most of you. I am now having to tell most that I don't have what they want anymore so I thought it best to post what IS left. Here it is: Cards for $1 1958 Topps - Carl Erskine #258 1958 Topps - Carl Furillo #417 1969 Topps Deckle – Willie Mays #33 1970 Topps – Lou Brock #330 1971 Topps FB – Len Dawson #180 1973 Topps – Johnny Bench #380 1975 Topps - `74 Highlights w/Ryan #7 1975 Topps – Jim Rice RC #616 Cards for $2 1954 Topps – Ed Lopat #5 1954 Topps – Al Rosen #15 1957 Topps – Enos Slaughter #215 1958 Topps – Bobby Richardson #101 1958 Topps – Braves Team #377 1971 Topps FB – Dick Butkus #25 Cards for $3 1957 Topps – Robin Roberts #15 1959 Topps – Felipe Alou RC #102 Cards for $5 1964 Topps – Frank Robinson #260 There is one trader who will bat "clean-up" and has offered to take what is left so I will start getting to work putting the claimed items in the mail. Thanks to all who were willing to help me out - I appreciate it. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ----------------------------- MARK ================= To: Date: Sat, 19 Jul 2008 19:48:26 -0700 From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" Subject: Personalized Baseball Cards Drumsticks has a promotion going on to create personalized baseball cards - http://www.drumstick.com/#/Topps/. I created, what will likely be a lame attempt, a 1971 Topps Cubs team card knockoff. Erik Greenwood ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:18:14 EDT To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] Suggestion/ Latest roster I have arranged to buy 2 dealer badges for $45 each from larry Kerrigan of Cutthroat Larry's cards, table #1146. Kent Goto will be picking 1 up on Wednesday. I am not arriving until Friday, probably with Mark Talbot and Ron Perry in tow. Does anyone want to go in on a badge for Wednesday and/or Thursday. If so, I need to have the badge put in their name. I also highly recommend Larry as a dealer to check out. He has done tons of business with Steve Rittenberg, Peter Mead and myself over the years. For those of you at the last Chicago National, you may recall a big group of 52 Topps BB I purchased and sold at the swap with a raffle for the 52 Topps Gil McDougald high number. The entire group came from Larry. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: "obc rambling" Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:38:30 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 1961 golden press Hello All, I started this set. Do not have any dupes but hoping to trade to get my first push on it 1961 golden press any condition Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:23:24 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: Thanks to... Lynn Miller sends along a trio of hits, Topps & Post from the 50's & 70's. Thanks much, Lynn! Click here and choose from thousands of high quality used cars. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3oE0bYfPu2OvRlhBcu4U4lNfZWwq90nkY92Jt2w6PmXgQhbu/ ================= To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 11:50:48 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Calling John Harrell If you see this, please contact me-- I've been sending you emails and getting no replies-- ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 5:37 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Trade Bait All these cards have been sitting around for a while...would like to trade them out. Ideally I'm looking for any t207's, t202's or blankets, but I'll consider anything. Let me know... Trade List T205 (don't make me start a second set) Breshnahan (closed) Chase (border ends) Dougherty (white sock, red sock) Hoblitzell (no Cin) W.A. Latham National Game about 30 different (not sure if I want to do the set) Bender (no trees) Chance (red) Johnson (port) Tinker (bat on) 1933 Goudey 1935 Goudey Coleman et al Carlton (and Frisch, Dean) Grimes et al Hughie Jennings 1948 Bowman 5 Feller, 24, 28, 35, 44 1951 Bowman 32 Snider 1957 #286 Richardson 1973 #50 Clemente Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. ================= To: Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:32:31 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: T206 Availables These are beautiful cards.... at least I think so anyway! Seriously, if condition is a concern then you might want to hold back. Bell, Brooklyn Ganley, Washington Herzog, Boston Hoffman, St. Louis Maloney, Rochester Please include your address. ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Sun, 20 Jul 2008 20:50:06 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 1966 batman black Hello All, I finished the blue bat series many tears ago and then I was just was given this from my cousin. I need the following: I have the followig dupe 1966 bule bat #11 black bat #31,17,15,2 let me know Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:24:50 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot I received an e-mail from Larry Kerrigan who I arranged the dealer badges from. He had a 1952 LOW number near lot (305 of 310 missing 261 Mays and 4 commons 110 207 242 294) on BIN that he has ended early. He is offering it to OBC for $2450. To view the conditions and details see Ebay item #200237936096. At essentially $8 a card, it might still be too high, but if 10 guys or Linda want to each buy approximately 30 cards for $245, I will pick it up and split up among them. There are scans of the biggest hits, which would be divied up amongst the lots. I figure the Pafko and Berra , the 2 highest book values will draw the most interest, so we will need to figure out how to "adjust" the lots based upon star content. Naturally, if the lots are only approximately 30 cards, we will work to make sure you get cards you need as much as possible. If anyone wants 2 or more of the 30 card lots, that would be one way to include the Pafko and/or Berra. We did something similar at the last Chicago National and the cards were all taken. Mike Rich Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 07:39:19 -0400 To: mikesportsfan@aol.com From: "Bob Donaldson" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot If anyone does buy this lot via a BIN on ebay, I suggest looking into the BIN 10-30% off promotion with Microsft search. Not sure if it's still going on. Below is my original post. You might want to check this out. I heard about in on the Net54 board and it looks legit. 1) Go here: http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=lego+table&go=&form=QBRE 2) At the top, in the gray box, should be a link that says "you may get 35% with Paypal if eligible." If you don't see that link, search for something else that is often found on ebay. 3) Upon following the link, you will be sent to ebay, and can then search for anything you like. The filters are already set to only show BIN items. 4) Once you find what you want, click the BIN> button. You will get to confirm before you commit. 5) On the confirmation page, MAKE SURE IT SHOWS THE REFUND AMOUNT. If so, finish up and pay with Paypal. The refund, 35% of the BIN up to $250, should appear later in your Paypal account, but after your purchase, you must sign up with the cashback program here: https://cashbackaccount.search.live.com/cashback/welcome.aspx (which happens to be currently bombarded and slow) ebay terms are here: http://pages.ebay.com/cashbackoffer/terms.html Here's the full post http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/thread/1213667773/last-1213674382/Crazy+Ebay+Deal+-+35%25+UP+TO+%24250+OFF+ANY+BIN+PURCHASE On Mon, Jul 21, 2008 at 7:24 AM, wrote: > I received an e-mail from Larry Kerrigan who I arranged the dealer badges > from. He had a 1952 LOW number near lot (305 of 310 missing 261 Mays and 4 > commons 110 207 242 294) on BIN that he has ended early. He is offering it > to OBC for $2450. To view the conditions and details see Ebay item > #200237936096. At essentially $8 a card, it might still be too high, but if > 10 guys or Linda want to each buy approximately 30 cards for $245, I will > pick it up and split up among them. There are scans of the biggest hits, > which would be divied up amongst the lots. I figure the Pafko and Berra , > the 2 highest book values will draw the most interest, so we will need to > figure out how to "adjust" the lots based upon star content. Naturally, if > the lots are only approximately 30 cards, we will work to make sure you get > cards you need as much as possible. If anyone wants 2 or more of the 30 > card lots, that would be one way to include the Pafko and/or Berra. We did > something similar at the last Chicago National and the cards were all > taken. > Mike Rich > ************** > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy > Football today. > (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 10:19:18 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Bama Hi Bama, I got the two messages you sent me, but the one I sent you last night apparently didn't get through-- not sure why. We may have to go to the phones to get anywhere. Anyhow, I have a fun card-related proposition for you-- give me a call anytime today at 217-352-4947, or let me know when you would be available for me to call you. PS: To the rest of OBC: sorry you're having to receive these, but I don't seem to be able to email Bama directly-- ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 11:39:39 EDT To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot Hi Mike, I would definitely be in on that buy if it comes together. Hope all is well, BB **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Available- a very odd oddball Back in the day, those little decks of cards were available from vending machines in the Tiger Stadium concourses. For 50 cents, you could buy one of a number of little baseball related trinkets and nick-nacks. You could usually tell when someone had been to a ballgame at the weekend, if a new "mini-deck" turned up for use at our lunchtime poker club (we were pretty sophisticated for 10 year olds!). ----- Original Message ---- From: Linda To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 8:18:34 PM Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] Available- a very odd oddball Please include name and address with requests. This is an oddball card I picked up that I haven't seen before and I am offering because someone might be collecting the set: 1969 Globe Imports #7C Billy Williams -small playing card with black and white image of player and this one is 7 of clubs. ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:29:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Conlon 1995 series 2. Do the cards really exist? Any at the National? In 1995 Conlon Collection, the 5th in the series, issued a series 1 set of 110 cards (#'s 1321-1430)(the cards have green borders) and that was supposed to be the final cards they sold. 50,000 were sold in blister packs containing 110 series 1 1995 cards. The plan was to issue a series 2 of 110 cards and a series 3 of 110 cards making a total of 330 cards for the year 1995. 330 cards was the total number of cards released in each of the previous years. I was told by a dealer that half a dozen test sets of series 2, cards # 1431-1540, were produced by Conlon Collection and that cards from one of the test sets produced have been showing up for sale at shows. Can someone attending the National in Chicago help me. Please try to find out if any dealer knows about or has any cards from that 1995 series 2 test set. Cards #1431-1540. Since there were only 6 cards produced of each number and only one of each number probably showing up for sale the cards are probably expensive. The dealer who told me about the series 2 test sets said single cards sell for $100 each and up. I just want to know if any 1995 series 2 cards really exist. Also if you see any at the National what color is the border? ================= Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:54:34 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings , From: Glenn Codere Subject: Latest additions to The Library I've added quite a few books to my library here at home over the past few months. I've continued along my sports/space kick, picking up and reading the following: "Searching for Bobby Orr" (Stephen Brunt) - Decent bio of the Bruins great, although written with no collaboration from the man himself "Willie Horton - The Peoples Champion" (Kevin Allen) - Bio of the former Tigers hero (Still to be read) "Alice Cooper - Golf Monster" (Alice Cooper) - FUN autobio of rock star (and Tigers fan) Alice Cooper and how he used golf to overcome his addictions. "Sock It To 'Em Tigers - The Incredible Story of the 1968 Detroit Tigers" (Pattison & Raglin) - Great reference source for the much loved '68 Tigers championship team "Ty and The Babe - Baseball's Fiercest Rivals: A Surprising Friendship and the 1941 Has-Beens Golf Championship" (Tom Stanton) - I hadn't realised that Cobb and Ruth faced each other in a series of 3 golf matches in 1941. This book tells the story of these events and how they came to be, and of the friendship that developed between Ruth and Cobb after years of anamosity on the ball field. "John Fetzer - On A Handshake" (Dan Ewald) - Bio of the former Tigers owner and media magnate "Sleeper Cars and Flannel Uniforms" (Elden Auker) - Autobio of the former Tigers, Red Sox, and Browns pitcher "Apollo" (Alan Bean) - "Coffee table book" account of the Apollo program by astronaut Alan Bean, fully illustrated by Bean himself. (Still to be read) "Apollo 13" (Jim Lovell & Jeffery Kluger) - Lovell's own account of the Apollo 13 mission (still to be read, although I have a good idea of what happens!) Riding Rockets (Mike Mullane)- Lighthearted autobio of shuttle astronaut Mike Mullane, his efforts to get into the space program, and dealing with the Challenger disaster, and coping with NASA mismanagement. Some good stuff there that I'm sure would appeal to many of you out there in both OBC and on the Tigers List! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 23:06:13 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot Hello All, I would be very interested in finding fellow collectors that would be interested in this lot. I would even be willing to take a couple shares (assuming as Mike suggests that 10 shares woul be distributed) as long as I could get a substancial number of the following that are on my list: Mark Talbot's `52 Topps list (Red back low numbers) 6, 9, 14, 20(Loes), 29(Kluszewski), 30, 33(Spahn), 36(Hodges), 37(Snider), 43, 48, 49, 55, 59(Roberts), 64, 71, 73, 80, 180, 185, 190, 191(Berra), 243(Doby), 252, 262, 267, 274(Branca), 283, 287, 289(Holmes), 300, 301, 306. Are there other's with an interest that need other cards? Depending on condition I don't think $8 is too much but then I want some star cards as well. Just so you know I would have interest Mike as long as I can make significant headway on my want list. BE WELL and thanks for "bird-dogging" the lot. REGARDS --------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I received an e-mail from Larry Kerrigan who I arranged the dealer badges from. He had a 1952 LOW number near lot (305 of 310 missing 261 Mays and 4 commons 110 207 242 294) on BIN that he has ended early. He is offering it to OBC for $2450. To view the conditions and details see Ebay item #200237936096. At essentially $8 a card, it might still be too high, but if 10 guys or Linda want to each buy approximately 30 cards for $245, I will pick it up and split up among them. There are scans of the biggest hits, which would be divied up amongst the lots. I figure the Pafko and Berra , the 2 highest book values will draw the most interest, so we will need to figure out how to "adjust" the lots based upon star content. Naturally, if the lots are only approximately 30 cards, we will work to make sure you get cards you need as much as possible. If anyone wants 2 or more of the 30 card lots, that would be one way to include the Pafko and/or Berra. We did something similar at the la st Chicago National and the cards were all taken. Mike Rich Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:12:27 EDT To: talbot1@comcast.net, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot i would be interested as well, assuming that some of the back variations i need are in there: 1952 TOPPS BACK VARIATION WANT LIST (r-red/b-black) 1b, 11r, 26r, 48r, 48b err, 49b err, 65r, 67b In a message dated 7/22/2008 6:06:44 PM Central Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: Hello All, I would be very interested in finding fellow collectors that would be interested in this lot. I would even be willing to take a couple shares (assuming as Mike suggests that 10 shares woul be distributed) as long as I could get a substancial number of the following that are on my list: Mark Talbot's `52 Topps list (Red back low numbers) 6, 9, 14, 20(Loes), 29(Kluszewski)6, 9, 14, 20(Loes), 29(Kluszewski), 30, 33(Spahn), 36(Hodges), 37(Snider), 43, 48, 49, 55, 59(Roberts), 64, 71, 73, 80, 180, 185, 190, 191(Berra), 243(Doby), 252, 262, 267, 274(Branca), 28 Are there other's with an interest that need other cards? Depending on condition I don't think $8 is too much but then I want some star cards as Just so you know I would have interest Mike as long as I can make significant headway on my want list. BE WELL and thanks for "bird-dogging" the REGARDS ------------REGARDS ------ -------------------------- Original mes--- From: mikesportsfan@From: mikespor I received an e-mail from Larry Kerrigan who I arranged the dealer badges from. He had a 1952 LOW number near lot (305 of 310 missing 261 Mays and 4 commons 110 207 242 294) on BIN that he has ended early. He is offering it to OBC for $2450. To view the conditions and details see Ebay item #200237936096. At essentially $8 a card, it might still be too high, but if 10 guys or Linda want to each buy approximately 30 cards for $245, I will pick it up and split up among them. There are scans of the biggest hits, which would be divied up amongst the lots. I figure the Pafko and Berra , the 2 highest book values will draw the most interest, so we will need to figure out how to "adjust" the lots based upon star content. Naturally, if the lots are only approximately 30 cards, we will work to make sure you get cards you need as much as possible. If anyone wants 2 or more of the 30 card lot s, that would be one way to include the Pafko and/or Berra. We did something similar at the last Chicago National and the cards were all taken. Mike Rich Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.(http://w(http://www.fa **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: , Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:23:40 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot I'd be interested in going in for a share of this lot too-- My wants are as follows: 1-Pafko 2 14 19 33-Spahn 48-Page 49-Sain 59-Roberts 72 76 88-Feller 139 140153 156 170 172 173 175-Martin 185 187 188 191-Berra 200 237 248 250-Erskine 251 262 268-Lemon 275 287 288 290 292 295 299 300 301 309 If I could take about 30 cards that I need, that would be fantastic. I'm pretty flexible. Mark, I'm happy to give you first dibs on all your wants, and leave #48 and 49 to whoever needs them most. Mike, thanks for trying to get this organized. Keep us posted. ================= To: "Tim Newcomb" , , Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:15:04 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot If only it could work out so well between 10 different traders Tim, of the 40 you need we both need 11 which means we could flip a coin to see who got 30 and who got 29 that they needed (of course Pafko and Berra are now out of the picture which others I'm sure will be interested in so it won't be this easy). I have a number of cards that need to be upgraded and I have TIGER cards that I would settle for as well so I have a little wiggle room. Let's get some more interested parties. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tim Newcomb" I'd be interested in going in for a share of this lot too-- My wants are as follows: 1-Pafko 2 14 19 33-Spahn 48-Page 49-Sain 59-Roberts 72 76 88-Feller 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175-Martin 185 187 188 191-Berra 200 237 248 250-Erskine 251 262 268-Lemon 275 287 288 290 292 295 299 300 301 309 If I could take about 30 cards that I need, that would be fantastic. I'm pretty flexible. Mark, I'm happy to give you first dibs on all your wants, and leave #48 and 49 to whoever needs them most. Mike, thanks for trying to get this organized. Keep us posted. ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:16:59 EDT To: talbot1@comcast.net, apspr@msn.com, Mikesportsfan@aol.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot i have a berra available for hits to my lists gm In a message dated 7/22/2008 7:15:31 PM Central Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: If only it could work out so well between 10 different traders Tim, of the 40 you need we both need 11 which means we could flip a coin to see who got 30 and who got 29 that they needed (of course Pafko and Berra are now out of the picture which others I'm sure will be interested in so it won't be this easy). I have a number of cards that need to be upgraded and I have TIGER cards that I would settle for as well so I have a little wiggle room. Let's get some more interested parties. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------REGARDS -REGARDS - -------------------------- Original mes--- From: "Tim Newcomb" I'd be interested in going in for a share of this lot too-- My wants are as follows: 1-Pafko 2 14 19 33-Spahn 48-Page 49-Sain 59-Roberts 72 76 88-Feller 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175-Martin 185 187 188 191-Berra 200 237 248 250-Erskine 251 262 268-Lemon 275 287 288 290 292 295 299 300 301 309 If I could take about 30 cards that I need, that would be fantastic. I'm pretty flexible. Mark, I'm happy to give you first dibs on all your wants, and leave #48 and 49 to whoever needs them most. Mike, thanks for trying to get this organized. Keep us posted. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:17:18 EDT To: talbot1@comcast.net, apspr@msn.com, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot Here's what I need if that helps: 52 Topps:I need 7.8.9.10.11.14.15.17. 309. and of course #311 and any higher cards. received #323 from Mac Wubben)and #388 from Rick Froman Most recent hit by Gary Mandell, Jim Craig **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: smartalecx@aol.com, apspr@msn.com, Mikesportsfan@aol.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:50:56 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot Yea, but who has `52 HI numbers to trade? `49 Bowman HI numbers are even worse!!! How many 1990's cards would it take to pry that from you? As if you would trade it for UV stuff. Gary, even though I find stuff to send you from time to time you have one of the toughest lists out there. Thanks for the offer though - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------ MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: smartalecx@aol.com i have a berra available for hits to my lists gm In a message dated 7/22/2008 7:15:31 PM Central Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: If only it could work out so well between 10 different traders Tim, of the 40 you need we both need 11 which means we could flip a coin to see who got 30 and who got 29 that they needed (of course Pafko and Berra are now out of the picture which others I'm sure will be interested in so it won't be this easy). I have a number of cards that need to be upgraded and I have TIGER cards that I would settle for as well so I have a little wiggle room. Let's get some more interested parties. BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Tim Newcomb" I'd be interested in going in for a share of this lot too-- My wants are as follows: 1-Pafko 2 14 19 33-Spahn 48-Page 49-Sain 59-Roberts 72 76 88-Feller 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175-Martin 185 187 188 191-Berra 200 237 248 250-Erskine 251 262 268-Lemon 275 287 288 290 292 295 299 300 301 309 If I could take about 30 cards that I need, that would be fantastic. I'm pretty flexible. Mark, I'm happy to give you first dibs on all your wants, and leave #48 and 49 to whoever needs them most. Mike, thanks for trying to get this organized. Keep us posted. Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. ================= Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 17:58:36 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Stamper Subject: Re: 1952 Topps lot I would be interested in joining in on this lot. I'm not picky so I would not mind clean up. You guys can pick first and I will take the left overs. I will, if not already owe most of you involved in this anyway. I have 1-130 covered (black backs can come later)...131 and on Another possibility is a draft...each person takes a turn picking a card. John Stamper johns wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Sent 7/22/2008 4:06:13 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot Hello All, I would be very interested in finding fellow collectors that would be interested in this lot. I would even be willing to take a couple shares (assuming as Mike suggests that 10 shares woul be distributed) as long as I could get a substancial number of the following that are on my list: Mark Talbot's `52 Topps list (Red back low numbers) 6, 9, 14, 20(Loes), 29(Kluszewski), 30, 33(Spahn), 36(Hodges), 37(Snider), 43, 48, 49, 55, 59(Roberts), 64, 71, 73, 80, 180, 185, 190, 191(Berra), 243(Doby), 252, 262, 267, 274(Branca), 283, 287, 289(Holmes), 300, 301, 306. Are there other's with an interest that need other cards? Depending on condition I don't think $8 is too much but then I want some star cards as well. Just so you know I would have interest Mike as long as I can make significant headway on my want list. BE WELL and thanks for "bird-dogging" the lot. REGARDS --------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I received an e-mail from Larry Kerrigan who I arranged the dealer badges from. He had a 1952 LOW number near lot (305 of 310 missing 261 Mays and 4 commons 110 207 242 294) on BIN that he has ended early. He is offering it to OBC for $2450. To view the conditions and details see Ebay item #200237936096. At essentially $8 a card, it might still be too high, but if 10 guys or Linda want to each buy approximately 30 cards for $245, I will pick it up and split up among them. There are scans of the biggest hits, which would be divied up amongst the lots. I figure the Pafko and Berra , the 2 highest book values will draw the most interest, so we will need to figure out how to "adjust" the lots based upon star content. Naturally, if the lots are only approximately 30 cards, we will work to make sure you get cards you need as much as possible. If anyone wants 2 or more of the 30 card lot s, that would be one way to include the Pafko and/or Berra. We did something similar at the last Chicago National and the cards were all taken. Mike Rich Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:58:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: Small Waiver Wire I have a couple of real OBC beauties up to be claimed. Please include your address with the request: 1960 Baseball Topps # 493 (Duke Snider). I didnt think beards came into style in baseball until the the 1970's, but here is this card from 1960 with the Duke having a beard. 1972 Baseball Topps # 198 (Charlie Hough Rookie Card) ================= To: , Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 01:25:09 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1952 Topps lot ...and, I'd be willing to sux scum of the bottom of whatever John or the rest of you, wants to pass over. I'd love to complete any set from 1952 to 1962, but somehow I have in the back of my mind that since the pre-war stuff is now getting so expensive andhard to find, by the time I'm even close to completing any of these sets, that this too, might be out of my reach. Alas, should any "left overs" come available, I'm going to listen. I'll pay for the left over junk. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Stamper To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 6:58 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1952 Topps lot I would be interested in joining in on this lot. I'm not picky so I would not mind clean up. You guys can pick first and I will take the left overs. Iwill, if not already owe most of you involved in this anyway. I have 1-130covered (black backs can come later)...131 and on Another possibility is a draft...each person takes a turn picking a card. John Stamper johns wrote: -----Original Message----- From: Sent 7/22/2008 4:06:13 PM To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: [OBC-National] 1952 Topps lot Hello All, I would be very interested in finding fellow collectors that would be interested in this lot. I would even be willing to take a couple shares (assuming as Mike suggests that 10 shares woul be distributed) as long as Icould get a substancial number of the following that are on my list: Mark Talbot's `52 Topps list (Red back low numbers) 6, 9, 14, 20(Loes), 29(Kluszewski), 30, 33(Spahn), 36(Hodges), 37(Snider), 43, 48, 49, 55, 59(Roberts), 64, 71, 73, 80, 180, 185, 190, 191(Berra), 243(Doby), 252, 262, 267, 274(Branca), 283, 287, 289(Holmes), 300, 301, 306. Are there other's with an interest that need other cards? Depending on condition I don't think $8 is too much but then I want some star cards as Just so you know I would have interest Mike as long as I can make significant headway on my want list. BE WELL and thanks for "bird-dogging" the REGARDS --------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: mikesportsfan@aol.com I received an e-mail from Larry Kerrigan who I arranged the dealer badges from. He had a 1952 LOW number near lot (305 of 310 missing 261 Mays and 4 commons 110 207 242 294) ! on BIN that he has ended early. He is offering it to OBC for $2450. To view the conditions and details see Ebay item #200237936096. At essentially $8 a card, it might still be too high, but if 10 guys or Linda want to each buy approximately 30 cards for $245, I willpick it up and split up among them. There are scans of the biggest hits, which would be divied up amongst the lots. I figure the Pafko and Berra , the 2 highest book values will draw the most interest, so we will need to figure out how to "adjust" the lots based upon star content. Naturally, if the lots are only approximately 30 cards, we will work to make sure you getcards you need as much as possible. If anyone wants 2 or more of the 30 card lot s, that would be one way to include the Pafko and/or Berra. We didsomething similar at the last Chicago National and the cards were all taken. Mike Rich Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncidaolspr00050000000020) ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:47:39 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1952 Topps lot Hello All, I meant to do this last month but got busy doing this and that and simply never got around to it. As most of you know I enjoy sending birthday greetings to our membership and that includes Frank Thomas "The Original One" who turned 79 years young last month. As he has done for the past several years Frank sent me a nice letter in return, I find him to be a very nice man. Frank has included want list's over the past few year's and I just didn't have the time or energy to type them up (Frank does everything longhand as he does not own a computer) and distribute them to the group. I decided this year that I was going to try to help Frank, so if your still with me and are interested I have transposed Frank's letter to me which I invite you to read if you wish. It contains his want list (I have updated the list as I have sent him some material recently - warning this list does contain UV items - so those who need them please put on your sunglasses). On June 19th, 208 Frank Thomas writes: Dear Mark, Thank you for the birthday card and also the Josh Gibson cards and your letter. I really appreciate them. Yes, we had a great relaxing day with my wife and some of our children. All of them came over for Father’s day and we celebrated both days. Now we are getting ready for a wedding on June 21st. Our oldest son’s daughter is getting married and all of the 7 children will be here helping them to celebrate on this day. I know my son and wife can’t wait till it’s over. First of all the rehearsal dinner, then the wedding in the Church where our youngest son, the priest, will celebrate the Mass and then the reception. It will be a good time for everyone. Some of the children from out of town have not seen each other in a few years. Mark, the list you sent me with the Josh Gibson cards is kind of not in existence anymore. The only cards I need anymore are the 1952 Topps, all the others I don’t need anymore. Right now I’m working on the Topps 2008 Series I silver set as well as the gold foil set. Also I’m working on the Topps Series II both the silver and gold foil set. I need a bunch of cards for these. Next time I write it should be down a bit so I can send you a list. Also working on the 2008 Topps Heritage set both the regular and black numbered set. I’m also looking for a Barry Bonds #49 from the Topps 2002 set. Mark here are my lists: Frank Thomas Want List 1952 Topps 311 Mickey Mantle -- New York Yankees 312 Jackie Robinson -- Brooklyn Dodgers 314 Roy Campanella -- Brooklyn Dodgers 315 Leo Durocher -- New York Giants 321 Joe Black -- Brooklyn Dodgers 322 Randy Jackson -- Chicago Cubs 333 Pee Wee Reese -- Brooklyn Dodgers 336 Dave Koslo -- New York Giants 340 Bob Hooper -- Philadelphia Athletics 351 Al Dark -- New York Giants 355 Bobby Morgan -- Brooklyn Dodgers 357 Smoky Burgess -- Philadelphia Phillies 372 Gil McDougald -- New York Yankees 380 Clem Koshorek -- Pittsburgh Pirates 384 Frank Crosetti -- New York Yankees 392 Hoyt Wilhelm -- New York Giants 395 Jake Pitler -- Brooklyn Dodgers 396 Dick Williams -- Brooklyn Dodgers 400 Bill Dickey -- New York Yankees 406 Joe Nuxhall -- Cincinnati Reds 407 Ed Mathews -- Boston Braves 2008 Topps (silver letters) 20, 33, 48, 54, 92, 129, 186, 291. 2008 Topps (gold letters) 1, 5, 7, 13, 18, 26, 27, 29, 37, 41, 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 52, 53, 56, 59, 61, 62, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75, 85, 86, 93, 96, 99, 102, 103, 108, 112, 113, 116, 118, 119, 120, 122, 126, 129, 130, 136, 150, 153, 158, 160, 169, 171, 176, 177, 188, 190, 193, 201, 210, 217, 232, 242, 248, 253, 268, 281, 284, 291, 293, 295, 296, 304, 307, 308, 314, 319, 320, 322. 2008 Topps Heritage 2, 3, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 35, 36, 41, 57, 71, 72, 78, 88, 96, 98, 121, 128, 150, 174, 211, 231, 262, 283, 294, 315, 321, 324, 347, 350, 353, 358, 362, 381, 394, 403, 409, 428, 430, 432, 435, 436, 438, 441, 444, 445, 446, 447, 450, 451, 452, 455, 457, 458, 462, 463, 469, 471, 474, 477, 478, 480, 481, 482, 483, 485, 487, 488, 489, 491, 492, 494, 495, 496, 499, 500. Frank Thomas Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 118 Doray Drive 15237-3681 The Topps 2008 Series II set both silver and gold foil sets I need a lot Mark so any card you would be able to send me I probably will need. As this gets closer to completion I will send you another list, okay? Perhaps when you call or see the members of OBC you can tell them I said Hello. Any help you or they can give me will surely be appreciated. Mark, I now have a website a fan from Brooklyn made for me on Google. It is http://www.frankthomastheoriginalone.com/ . I don’t have a computer so when I went to my daughter’s, her husband showed it to me. There is another from a fan in Atlanta, it is http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/frankthomas.html . Since you have a computer you can see both of them. Your Friend Frank Thomas “The Original One” 1951 - 1966 Now just recently I sent a large lot of Topps Series II cards to Richard Labs and these crossed in the mail with a large grouping sent to him by Bob D'Angelo so I asked Richard to send his dupes to Frank and he agreed to do so. My guess is that Richard sent him a couple hundred so I would say that if you were so inclined to send Frank cards that you might want to wait on the Series II silver set until Frank writes me again. If you have gold foil cards or Heritage cards from the list and you wish to assist Frank then by all means ship them out. I will ask that if you do this that you send me a list of what is being sent and I will post it to the want-list server on the 20th of the month with the other members from M-Z. My guess is that if you do send him something he will write you a nice note in return, he has done this each of the last 3 or 4 years that I have been sending him a card in June. If you want an autograph in return I would not send more than (2) items as he is still leery about collectors selling his autograph for profit, include a SASE as well. I'm sure Frank would love to hear from any of you - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------ MARK ================= To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com , obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 07:53:11 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Message from Frank Thomas "The Original One" and a want list Opps, forgot to change the Subject Hello All, I meant to do this last month but got busy doing this and that and simply never got around to it. As most of you know I enjoy sending birthday greetings to our membership and that includes Frank Thomas "The Original One" who turned 79 years young last month. As he has done for the past several years Frank sent me a nice letter in return, I find him to be a very nice man. Frank has included want list's over the past few year's and I just didn't have the time or energy to type them up (Frank does everything longhand as he does not own a computer) and distribute them to the group. I decided this year that I was going to try to help Frank, so if your still with me and are interested I have transposed Frank's letter to me which I invite you to read if you wish. It contains his want list (I have updated the list as I have sent him some material recently - warning this list does contain UV items - so those who need them please put on your sunglasses). On June 19th, 208 Frank Thomas writes: Dear Mark, Thank you for the birthday card and also the Josh Gibson cards and your letter. I really appreciate them. Yes, we had a great relaxing day with my wife and some of our children. All of them came over for Father’s day and we celebrated both days. Now we are getting ready for a wedding on June 21st. Our oldest son’s daughter is getting married and all of the 7 children will be here helping them to celebrate on this day. I know my son and wife can’t wait till it’s over. First of all the rehearsal dinner, then the wedding in the Church where our youngest son, the priest, will celebrate the Mass and then the reception. It will be a good time for everyone. Some of the children from out of town have not seen each other in a few years. Mark, the list you sent me with the Josh Gibson cards is kind of not in existence anymore. The only cards I need anymore are the 1952 Topps, all the others I don’t need anymore. Right now I’m working on the Topps 2008 Series I silver set as well as the gold foil set. Also I’m working on the Topps Series II both the silver and gold foil set. I need a bunch of cards for these. Next time I write it should be down a bit so I can send you a list. Also working on the 2008 Topps Heritage set both the regular and black numbered set. I’m also looking for a Barry Bonds #49 from the Topps 2002 set. Mark here are my lists: Frank Thomas Want List 1952 Topps 311 Mickey Mantle -- New York Yankees 312 Jackie Robinson -- Brooklyn Dodgers 314 Roy Campanella -- Brooklyn Dodgers 315 Leo Durocher -- New York Giants 321 Joe Black -- Brooklyn Dodgers 322 Randy Jackson -- Chicago Cubs 333 Pee Wee Reese -- Brooklyn Dodgers 336 Dave Koslo -- New York Giants 340 Bob Hooper -- Philadelphia Athletics 351 Al Dark -- New York Giants 355 Bobby Morgan -- Brooklyn Dodgers 357 Smoky Burgess -- Philadelphia Phillies 372 Gil McDougald -- New York Yankees 380 Clem Koshorek -- Pittsburgh Pirates 384 Frank Crosetti -- New York Yankees 392 Hoyt Wilhelm -- New York Giants 395 Jake Pitler -- Brooklyn Dodgers 396 Dick Williams -- Brooklyn Dodgers 400 Bill Dickey -- New York Yankees 406 Joe Nuxhall -- Cincinnati Reds 407 Ed Mathews -- Boston Braves 2008 Topps (silver letters) 20, 33, 48, 54, 92, 129, 186, 291. 2008 Topps (gold letters) 1, 5, 7, 13, 18, 26, 27, 29, 37, 41, 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 52, 53, 56, 59, 61, 62, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75, 85, 86, 93, 96, 99, 102, 103, 108, 112, 113, 116, 118, 119, 120, 122, 126, 129, 130, 136, 150, 153, 158, 160, 169, 171, 176, 177, 188, 190, 193, 201, 210, 217, 232, 242, 248, 253, 268, 281, 284, 291, 293, 295, 296, 304, 307, 308, 314, 319, 320, 322. 2008 Topps Heritage 2, 3, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 35, 36, 41, 57, 71, 72, 78, 88, 96, 98, 121, 128, 150, 174, 211, 231, 262, 283, 294, 315, 321, 324, 347, 350, 353, 358, 362, 381, 394, 403, 409, 428, 430, 432, 435, 436, 438, 441, 444, 445, 446, 447, 450, 451, 452, 455, 457, 458, 462, 463, 469, 471, 474, 477, 478, 480, 481, 482, 483, 485, 487, 488, 489, 491, 492, 494, 495, 496, 499, 500. Frank Thomas Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 118 Doray Drive 15237-3681 The Topps 2008 Series II set both silver and gold foil sets I need a lot Mark so any card you would be able to send me I probably will need. As this gets closer to completion I will send you another list, okay? Perhaps when you call or see the members of OBC you can tell them I said Hello. Any help you or they can give me will surely be appreciated. Mark, I now have a website a fan from Brooklyn made for me on Google. It is http://www.frankthomastheoriginalone.com/ . I don’t have a computer so when I went to my daughter’s, her husband showed it to me. There is another from a fan in Atlanta, it is http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/frankthomas.html . Since you have a computer you can see both of them. Your Friend Frank Thomas “The Original One” 1951 - 1966 Now just recently I sent a large lot of Topps Series II cards to Richard Labs and these crossed in the mail with a large grouping sent to him by Bob D'Angelo so I asked Richard to send his dupes to Frank and he agreed to do so. My guess is that Richard sent him a couple hundred so I would say that if you were so inclined to send Frank cards that you might want to wait on the Series II silver set until Frank writes me again. If you have gold foil cards or Heritage cards from the list and you wish to assist Frank then by all means ship them out. I will ask that if you do this that you send me a list of what is being sent and I will post it to the want-list server on the 20th of the month with the other members from M-Z. My guess is that if you do send him something he will write you a nice note in return, he has done this each of the last 3 or 4 years that I have been sending him a card in June. If you want an autograph in return I would not send more than (2) items as he is still leery about collectors selling his autograph for profit, include a SASE as well. I'm sure Frank would love to hear from any of you - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------------------ MARK ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:06:58 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Tigers cards at the National ****UV ALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT**** (Apologies for sending this to the Ramblings server. I just want to ensure that it gets to anyone who might be able to help me out) Since I unfortunately had to cancel my plan to attend this year's National,I was wondering if one or some of you who are attending might take the time to pick out a few items for me? I'm on the hunt for any of the following Tigers cards (and a few others): Any Tigersfrom the Upper Deck SP Legendary Cuts sets (2001-2008), both base cards AND game used bats, jerseys, jockstraps (now THAT would be something, wouldn't it?), chewing tobacco, AND autographs. Any Tigers from post 2003 sets other than the Topps base set, with particular emphasis on more unusual issues, premium sets, parallels, inserts, etc.,especially those that feature past Tigers players. Any cards (not just Tigers) from the 2001 & 2002 Topps Archive and 2004 & 2005 Topps Fan Favorites as per my want list I'm sure that some of the FOOT guys will perhaps have a keener eye for Tigers cards than others. Would one of you be prepared to act as a "designated shopper" for me? I've already forwarded some money to TJ Valacak via PayPalto pay Kurt Tourdot for some cards that he has put aside for me. If you don't have a PayPal account, I could probably get TJ to pass some cash along to you if you are willing to help me out. Alternately, I could tell you what my budget is, and we could work something out afterwards.. Going by the prices of items on ebay, I would think that much of what I'm looking for would be pretty cheap (like me, some would say!). The hard part would be the searching. Anything that you find for me could be passed alongto TJ for inclusion in the Tourdot box that he is picking up and posting to Anyway, if there is some kind soul out there who would be willing to donatesome of their own time and effort towards expanding my Tigers collection, please contact me off list. Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 19:03:24 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Is the 1947 Bowman BB set really worth $150? I found a 1947 Bowman BB set issued in 1976-1977 by HRT/RES. It is titled "The Set That Never Was". An ebay seller has the complete 114 card set on ebay for buy it now $150: http://tinyurl.com/56xphl I think that the price the ebay seller is asking for this reprint set is too much. Could someone check in an SCD and look up the value of this set for me. Thanks, Linda ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 18:49:33 EDT To: glenncodere@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tigers cards at the National Any Tigers from the Upper Deck SP Legendary Cuts sets (2001-2008), both base cards AND game used bats, jerseys, jockstraps (now THAT would be something, wouldn't it?), chewing tobacco, AND autographs. not that it helps your situation i do believe you may be able to purchase jason giambi's in a nice gold color:-) In a message dated 7/23/2008 10:07:50 A.M. Central Daylight Time, glenncodere@yahoo.com writes: ****UV ALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT**** (Apologies for sending this to the Ramblings server. I just want to ensure that it gets to anyone who might be able to help me out) Since I unfortunately had to cancel my plan to attend this year's National, I was wondering if one or some of you who are attending might take the time to pick out a few items for me? I'm on the hunt for any of the following Tigers cards (and a few others): Any Tigers from the Upper Deck SP Legendary Cuts sets (2001-2008), both base cards AND game used bats, jerseys, jockstraps (now THAT would be something, wouldn't it?), chewing tobacco, AND autographs. Any Tigers from post 2003 sets other than the Topps base set, with particular emphasis on more unusual issues, premium sets, parallels, inserts, etc., especially those that feature past Tigers players. Any cards (not just Tigers) from the 2001 & 2002 Topps Archive and 2004 & 2005 Topps Fan Favorites as per my want list I'm sure that some of the FOOT guys will perhaps have a keener eye for Tigers cards than others. Would one of you be prepared to act as a "designated shopper" for me? I've already forwarded some money to TJ Valacak via PayPal to pay Kurt Tourdot for some cards that he has put aside for me. If you don't have a PayPal account, I could probably get TJ to pass some cash along to you if you are willing to help me out. Alternately, I could tell you what my budget is, and we could work something out afterwards. Going by the prices of items on ebay, I would think that much of what I'm looking for would be pretty cheap (like me, some would say!). The hard part would be the searching. Anything that you find for me could be passed along to TJ for inclusion in the Tourdot box that he is picking up and posting to me. Anyway, if there is some kind soul out there who would be willing to donate some of their own time and effort towards expanding my Tigers collection, please contact me off list. Glasgow, Scotland **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 21:44:50 EDT To: talbot1@comcast.net, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1952 Topps lot Content-Language: en I talked to Frank at the National last year. Said he hasn't gotten much from this group in ages. I know his lists are getting tougher. Maybe we can make a few group hits. I have to check to see if he is going to be in Chicago this In a message dated 7/23/2008 3:48:06 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, talbot1@comcast.net writes: Hello All, I meant to do this last month but got busy doing this and that and simply never got around to it. As most of you know I enjoy sending birthday greetings to our membership and that includes Frank Thomas "The Original One" who turned 79 years young last month. As he has done for the past several years Frank sent me a nice letter in return, I find him to be a very nice man. Frank has included want list's over the past few year's and I just didn't have the time or energy to type them up (Frank does everything longhand as he does not own a computer) and distribute them to the group. I decided this year that was going to try to help Frank, so if your still with me and are interested I have transposed Frank's letter to me which I invite you to read if you wish. It contains his want list (I have updated the list as I have sent him material recently - warning this list does contain UV item s - so those who need them please put on your sunglasses). On June 19th, 208 Frank Thomas writes: Dear Mark, Thank you for the birthday card and also the Josh Gibson cards and your letter. I reI ry appreciate them. Yes, we had a great relaxing day with my wife and some of our children. All of them came over for Father=E2=99s day and we celebrated both days. Now we are getting ready for a wedding on June 21st. Our oldest son=E2=99s daughter getting married and Our of the 7 children will be here helping them to celebrate on this day. I know my son and wife can=E2=99t wait till it=E2=99s over. First of Fir the rehearsal dinner, then the wedding in the Church where our youngest son, the priest, will celebrate the Mass and then the reception. It will be good time for everyone. Some of the children from out of town have not seen each other in a few years. Mark, the list you sent me with the Josh Gibson cards is kind of not in existence anymore. The only cards I need anymore are the 1952 Topps, Thethe others I don=E2=99t need anymore. Right now I=E2=99m working on the Topps 2008 Series I silver set as well as the gold foil set. Also I=E2=99m working on the Topps Series II both the silver gold foil set. I need a bunch of cards for these. Next time I write it should be down a bit so I can send you a list. Also working on the 2008 Topps Heritage set both the regular and black numbered set. I=E2=99m also looking for a Barry Bonds #49 from the Topps 2002 set. Mark here are my lists: Frank Thomas Want List 1952 Topps 311 Mickey Mantle -- New York Yankees 312 Jackie Robinson -- Brooklyn Dodgers 314 Roy Campanella -- Brooklyn Dodgers 315 Leo Durocher -- New York Giants 321 Joe Black -- Brooklyn Dodgers 322 Randy Jackson -- Chicago Cubs 333 Pee Wee Reese -- Brooklyn Dodgers 336 Dave Koslo -- New York Giants 340 Bob Hooper -- Philadelphia Athletics 351 Al Dark -- New York Giants 355 Bobby Morgan -- Brooklyn Dodgers 357 Smoky Burgess -- Philadelphia Phillies 372 Gil McDougald -- New York Yankees 380 Clem Koshorek -- Pittsburgh Pirates 384 Frank Crosetti -- New York Yankees 392 Hoyt Wilhelm -- New York Giants 395 Jake Pitler -- Brooklyn Dodgers 396 Dick Williams -- Brooklyn Dodgers 400 Bill Dickey -- New York Yankees 406 Joe Nuxhall -- Cincinnati Reds 407 Ed Mathews -- Boston Braves 2008 Topps (silver letters) 20, 33, 48, 54, 92, 129, 186, 291. 2008 Topps (gold letters) 1, 5, 7, 13, 18, 26, 27, 29, 37, 41, 43, 45, 46, 47, 48, 52, 53, 56, 59, 61, 62, 66, 67, 68, 69, 70, 71, 72, 73, 75, 85, 86, 93, 96, 99, 102, 103, 108, 112, 113, 116, 118, 119, 120, 122, 126, 129, 130, 136, 150, 153, 158, 160, 169, 171, 176, 177, 188, 190, 193, 201, 210, 217, 232, 242, 248, 253, 268,281, 284, 291, 293, 295, 296, 304, 307, 308, 314, 319, 320, 322. 2008 Topps Heritage 2, 3, 10, 12, 13, 14, 16, 18, 35, 36, 41, 57, 71, 72, 78, 88, 96, 98, 121, 128, 150, 174, 211, 231, 262, 283, 294, 315, 321, 324, 347, 350, 353, 358, 362, 381, 394, 403, 409, 428, 430, 432, 435, 436, 438, 441, 444, 445, 446,447, 450, 451, 452, 455, 457, 458, 462, 463, 469, 471, 474, 477, 478, 480, 481, 482, 483, 485, 487, 488, 489, 491, 492, 494, 495, 496, 499, 500. Frank Thomas Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania 118 Doray Drive 15237-3681 The Topps 2008 Series II set both silver and gold foil sets I need a lot Mark so any card you would be able to send me I probably will need. As this gets closer to completion I will send you another list, okay? Perhaps when you cPer or see the members of OBC you can tell them I said Hello. Any help you or they can give me will surely be appreciated. Mark, I now have a website a fan from Mark, I made for me on Google. It is _http://www.frankthohttp://www.frankhttp:/_ (http://www.frankthomastheoriginalone.com/) . I don=E2=99t have a computer so when I went to my daughter=E2=99s, her husband showed it to me. There is another from a fan in There i, it is _http://www.baseballhttp://www.bhttp://www.basebhttp_ (http://www.baseballtoddsdugout.com/frankthomas.html) . Since you have acomputer you can see both of Your Friend Frank Thomas =E2=9CThe Original One=E2=9D 1951 - 1966 Now just recently I sent a large lot of Topps Series II cards to Richard Labs and these crossed in the mail with a large grouping sent to him by Bob D'Angelo so I asked Richard to send his dupes to Frank and he agreed to doso. My guess is that Richard sent him a couple hundred so I would say that if you were so inclined to send Frank cards that you might want to wait on the Series II silver set until Frank writes me again. If you have gold foil cards Heritage cards from the list and you wish to assist Frank then by all means ship them out. I will ask that if you do this that you send me a list of what is being sent and I will post it to the want-list server on the 20th of the month with the other members from M-Z. My guess is that if you do send him something he will write you a nice note in return, he has done this each of the last 3 or 4 years that I have been sending him a card in June. If you want an autograph in return I would not send more than (2) items as he is still leery about collectors selling his autograph for profit, include a SASE as well. I'm sure Frank would love to from any of you - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ------------REGARDS -REGARDS **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncidaolspr00050000000020) ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Wed, 23 Jul 2008 22:27:25 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 1973 opc checklist need Wondering if anyone has a twins card to finish my set. I have many to tradewith Anthony Arbeeny ================= To: "Ken Monks" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 00:19:20 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Canadian Border Patrol I think someone in the group should win the lottery, then simply offer to fund the petroleum (Gasoline) costs for both of us to simply drive to the border, so we can spend a few hours together in a face to face pick off / exchange, of deleting and adding more cards to the box. I'm sure our mutual border cannot be more than a daze drive away for either of us and in that way, we can also stiff the Royal, Mounted, Canadian postal geeks. Sheesh, who the hail is in charge up there, anyway? The French? The Britts? ... or the free health care wizards? Oh, yes, of course. It's the Canadian postal gang, holding up every lil' card package we ever send up that way, thinking there is a loot of value inside to demand duty on penny vintage, VCT or OBC type cardboard. Someone should introduce those folks to the Larry Tipton idea of "valued cardboard." Good gawd; and here I was thinking some past prez of ours, instituted some sort of a free trade agreement between our fabulous, beloved homelands. So, we swappers can agree to trade a Gehrig for a Ruth, even up, but the Cannucks wanna tax a duty and a surcharge onto the deal, "just because?" What a farce! p.s. By the way, don't let my "rant" fool you. I'm totally in on whateverit takes and whatever I can do to help this box get into, and back out of,Canada. If I am the one who suffers the increased postal costs to make ithappen, then, well, I'll sux it up, and, I'll do it. For me, it's all about the satisfaction from the cardboard, not the value. wlg ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken Monks To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:06 AM Subject: [Vct] Fwd: Re: 60s Dupe Box - One More Participant Slot Open Hi Guys, I certainly can agree with Mark that Canada Post can be a major pain in theass when it comes to shipping boxes of stuff. At times the open boxes, occasionally puffies, will hold items that have been bought through ebay to prove that it is not over a certain amount so they can nail me for duty and handling fees and so on. I have had 2 instances both, shipping and receiving, where cards have not been received. One small trade with ex-member JoelGyselyink and when I sent Mark Talbot a terrific '53 Red Man Berra about ayear and a half ago. The biggest stumbling block in this instance is time.As we suggest that each member only have the box of cards for a couple ofdays and then ship the box off, Colorado to BC and BC to Massachusetts could take 3-4 weeks. I have been thinking of this and Mark's email from lastnight helped hurry me along with this option. First I thought that I would drop out of this activity, though I would pref! er not to do not have a huge amount of 60's dupes (only about 20-25 currently), I could send what dupes that I would like to participate with and Walker could pinch hit for me. I could give Walker a preference list that will not be complicated and if I have a small amount ( I am currently working on 3 60's Topps sets, 2 Fleer, Golden Press and 2 OPC), should cut down on time choosing the cards aswell as the delay of shipping the box to Canada. I could also send a couple of bucks to Walker to cover postage. Since I see that I am 9th on the suggested list of receiving the dupe box, I could send Walker my dupes when the box is sent from Donny to Brian and should allow plenty of time for my dupes to arrive prior to the dupe box. If this suggestion does not work for the group, I do not mind dropping out of the activity in order for everyone else to participate in a timely fashion. Let me know what the group decides and I will stand by the decision.&n! bsp; Sand t tonight, but certainly tomorrow afternoon until Sunday to finish up this segment of our vacation on another trout fishing trip. No need to hurry on a decision, but if someone need to contact me, I will be away for a few days. Have a great day, Ken -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= To: Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 10:22:40 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: National Needs If anyone would be willing to look for a few cards for me at the National, I would certainly reimburse you and hit your lists as well. I'm trying to put a few prewar sets to rest and need the following: 1941 Goudey: Bill Crouch 1933 world Wide Gum (Canadian Goudey) - English Only Backs: 2(Vance), 7(Lyons), 24(Ford), 27(Connally), 29(Foxx), 54(Faber), 73(Ferrell), 78(Myers), 81(Flowers), 84(Berg), 86(Byrd), 92(Mangum) 1933 Sport Kings: Cobb, Ruth, Grange, Thorpe, Jones, Didrikson (this set is very expensive so the only condition I could afford would be extreme Tipton, and then probably only the Grange, Thorpe or Didrikson. Thanks for reading. ================= To: Glenn Codere , OBC Ramblings Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 19:55:26 +0000 From: tvalacak@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Tigers cards at the National I will gladly take any cards taht can be found for Glenn and include them in the package from Kurt Turdout. I will not be at the show on SUnday, so if anyone does find some cards for Glenn, please hand them off to me by Saturday. -------------- Original message -------------- From: Glenn Codere ****UV ALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT****UVALERT**** (Apologies for sending this to the Ramblings server. I just want to ensure that it gets to anyone who might be able to help me out) Since I unfortunately had to cancel my plan to attend this year's National, I was wondering if one or some of you who are attending might take the time to pick out a few items for me? I'm on the hunt for any of the following Tigers cards (and a few others): Any Tigers from the Upper Deck SP Legendary Cuts sets (2001-2008), both base cards AND game used bats, jerseys, jockstraps (now THAT would be something, wouldn't it?), chewing tobacco, AND autographs. Any Tigers from post 2003 sets other than the Topps base set, with particular emphasis on more unusual issues, premium sets, parallels, inserts, etc., especially those that feature past Tigers players. Any cards (not just Tigers) from the 2001 & 2002 Topps Archive and 2004 & 2005 Topps Fan Favorites as per my want list I'm sure that some of the FOOT guys will perhaps have a keener eye for Tigers cards than others. Would one of you be prepared to act as a "designated shopper" for me? I've already forwarded some money to TJ Valacak via PayPal to pay Kurt Tourdot for some cards that he has put aside for me. If you don't have a PayPal account, I could probably get TJ to pass some cash along to you if you are willing to help me out. Alternately, I could tell you what my budget is, and we could work something out afterwards. Going by the prices of items on ebay, I would think that much of what I'm looking for would be pretty cheap (like me, some would say!). The hard part would be the searching. Anything that you find for me could be passed along to TJ for inclusion in the Tourdot box that he is picking up and posting to me. Anyway, if there is some kind soul out there who would be willing to donate some of their own time and effort towards expanding my Tigers collection, please contact me off list. Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:24:00 EDT To: dugouttraders@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 54 bowman errors for any of yo who are/have collected the 54 bowman baseball set, how difficult is it to find all of the error cards that were put out? it looks like at least 20% of the cards were issued and then corrected. is it worth going after a "master" set? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 22:35:47 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 54 bowman errors Other than the Williams variation, the cards can all be found. Mike Rich In a message dated 7/24/08 5:24:51 PM Eastern Daylight Time, smartalecx@aol.com writes: > for any of yo who are/have collected the 54 bowman baseball set, how > difficult is it to find all of the error cards that were put out? it looks like at > least 20% of the cards were issued and then corrected. is it worth going > after a "master" set? Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:21:19 -0700 From: "Geordie" Subject: Gotta love Google - look what I just stumbled across: Guru's Grading Guide Years ago, I used to have Guru's guide linked on my wantlist. When I switched ISPs, I accidentally deleted it from my wantlist and computer. Got a wild hair tonight and google'd my eBay/email ID and it popped up first thing. Great stuff, Larry! Guru Grading by Larry "Guru" Tipton In an effort to standardize OBC grading procedures, I have been asked to post my Condition Guide. Dealers are hereby warned that reading any further is likely to cause stomach pains. Mint (MT): The front of a Mint baseball card will include most of the original paper. Normal "in the shirt pocket" creases are allowed, as are thumb tack and staple holes. You should also be able to read most on the back of the card. The only writing allowed on a Mint baseball card is scratching offthe old team name and inking in the new team. I have received numerous e-mails asking about "gloss" and "centering". Since I do not know what these are I cannot comment on it. Any Mickey Mantle card grades Mint. Early 1900 tobacco cards can never grade lower than Mint. Near Mint (NM): A Near Mint baseball card will at first appear to be perfect, but upon closer inspection some minor flaws may be discovered. For example, your favorite Milwaukee Braves pitcher is Joe Jay, but you can never pull a Joe Jay from a pack. You have seven cards of Braves pitcher Don McMahon, so you carefully cross out Don McMahons name and replace it with Joe Jay. It goes without saying in this example you would also have to thicken up Don McMahons eyebrows a little too. When examined closely, staple holes mayactually be nail holes which would downgrade a Mint card to NM. Excellent (EX): An excellent condition baseball card should have at least three corners. Hole punched cards and cards with BB holes will normally not grade above EX. Any kind of writing is allowed on cards in excellent condition. Added nasal hair, arrows through the players head, black eyes, and blacked out teeth are certainly allowed. I have a 1958 Topps #5 Willie Mays with a penciled in goatee, blacked out teeth, and a large chip out of Williesleft nostril. When the dealer told me he would take five dollars for the card I replied "Excellent Dealer Dude!" Bicycle spoke creases are allowed onEX cards, and any stain from any source are allowed on EX condition cards.To read my award winning dissertation entitled "Baseball Cards and Stains Accomplished By Ten Year Olds" click (http://www.tenyearold.stain/ballcards.htm). ANY BROOKLYN DODGER CARD CAN NEVER GRADE BELOW EXCELLENT! Very Good (VG): If less than 10% of the card has been burned up, this wouldclassify as a VG card. Cards that have been cut in two and taped back together normally grade VG. EXCEPTION: 1941 Double Play Cards that have been cut in two. If both sides have been taped, stapled, or glued back together, these normally grade NM. If only half of the card remains, it grades VG. Remember your least favorite card when you were a kid? Somebody like Frank Zupo? You take your Frank Zupo card and lay it down face first in the street and then get on your bike and get going real fast. Just before your rear tire runs over your Frank Zupo, hit the brakes! You could drag that Frank Zupocard ten feet if you timed it right! Mouse damaged cards normally grade VG, however, cat damaged cards (if you know what I mean) normally grade a lotlower than VG. Good (G): Good condition cards can be bent, cut, hole punched, taped, stapled, wrote on, eraser damaged, torn, ripped, scuffed, stained, creased, chipped, chewed, and glued. VG cards could have been used for target practice, dunked in the toilet, set on fire and dropped from your upstairs bedroom, used to mix model airplane paint, and definitely thrown at your sister. No matter WHAT a card looks like, if you need it for your collection, it looks GOOD to you! ================= To: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 11:02:55 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Hero needed (and a ruthian accomplishment) After years of trying to land the ultimate big fish...I finally won an auction for my first Babe Ruth! Not surprisingly, it is the 35 Goudey. Luckily, Ruth was only mentioned in the subheader, and the pics were bad...thus, my modest bid held up. Apart from my top 5 list which gets a hit about once every 3 years, this was the card I most wanted. That leaves the much more reasonable 35G Bishop/Cronin et al as the last 35G that I need. Anybody want the last card honors? See a bunch of you next week! Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_Refresh_messenger_video_072008 ================= To: Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 12:27:33 -0400 From: obcjohn@knology.net Subject: 1993 Hager Price Guide I'm doing some research on the 1934-36 Diamond Stars set and need some information found in the 1993 Price Guide put out by Alan Hager. I've got the thing somewhere but it's in one of the multitude of book boxes still unpacked in our store room (which one I don't know). I would be most grateful ifsomeone could copy the pages on the Diamond stars set from the book and send them to me. Let me know if you can help. Payback would certainly be forthcoming. ================= To: , Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 20:19:56 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Hero needed (and a ruthian accomplishment) Mac: I think I can help you there...... being a back hoarder on the 36G aswell as the T206 it appears I have 3 dif versions. I'm sure I can part with one for this worthy cause!! PS Announcing my own accomplishment of sorts ............ just surpassed the 1000 mark on T206s a couple of days ago!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Mac Wubben To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 11:02 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Hero needed (and a ruthian accomplishment) After years of trying to land the ultimate big fish...I finally won an auction for my first Babe Ruth! Not surprisingly, it is the 35 Goudey. Luckily, Ruth was only mentioned in the subheader, and the pics were bad...thus, my modest bid held up. Apart from my top 5 list which gets a hit about once every 3 years, this was the card I most wanted. That leaves the much more reasonable 35G Bishop/Cronin et al as the last 35G that I need. Anybody want the last card honors? See a bunch of you next week! Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. Get ================= To: "obc rambling" Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 09:46:41 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: 52 trimmed bowmans I have the following with other issues besides trimming Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:42:46 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, obc-national@yahoogroups.com, From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Brock's updated wantlist For all you fellows who are going to the Chicago National, I have just updated my wantlist after a very successful weekend with Roger Neufeldt in Atlanta last weekend. All of you who know me, know that I will either reimburse you for cards you find for me, or send you a very good trade. Thanks for looking for cards for me. I am especially anxious to try to finish my 1956 Topps variations. Take care, and have a good time, ================= Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:45:43 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Phone number I should have told you that if you need to call me to ask about a purchase, my cell is 251-978-1875. ================= To: Date: Sat, 26 Jul 2008 18:11:47 -0500 From: "Mark Z" Subject: obc fantasy football 08 I have set up a league for us this year again on yahoo hopefully I will do better than next to last place this year. draft is sunday night, Aug 17 at 9pm CST league ID# 168723 Password OBC hope to see you there. mark zentkovich (Redskin Mark) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:38:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: 1952 Topps lot split update So far I have been contacted by 7 OBCers to split the 1952 Topps low # lot I wrote about early in the week. I had originally proposed trying to get 10 guys to each take 30 cards for $245 per "group". Of the 7, Brock and Gary each need only a few cards with specific backs. Since I do not know the backs, I am NOT counting them for this purchase. John Stamper and Walker Gutrie have easy lists and are each being counted on for 1 lot of 30 (if either of you wants more than that, let me know) and the following 3 would get the cards listed below. We therefore still have 50% of the lot left to get "commitments" for. I looked at the 2008 SCD and there are 35 cards (not counting Mays that is not in the lot) that book for $100 or more. Each 30 card lot was to get 3-4 star cards. If they got a "bigger" card, they get 3 if they got all smaller stars, they would get 4. In an effort to try and make this work for those that are interested I figure we can offer smaller 10 -15 card lots. 10 card lots would be $82 and would contain 1 card booking at $100 or more; 15 card lots would be $123 and contain 1 or 2 $100 or more cards. If we get enough guys to take the last 150 cards, then we will go forward. If not, we do not. The following are the cards that are "taken" by the guys below: Mark Talbot: 6 9 30 37 Snider 43 55 64 71 73 80 180 190 243 Doby 252 262 267 274 Branca 283 287 289 301 306 and 8 Tigers hopefully Tim Newcomb: 14 19 72 76 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175 Martin 187 188 200 Houk 237 248 251 268 Lemon 275 288 290 292 295 299 300 309 plus 3 more commons Bob Bannon: 7 8 11 Rizzuto 15 17 35 41 54 58 158 182 195 Minoso 233 235 246 Kell 253 257 258 261 263 266 269 281 282 284 286 293 296 297 301. Bob also needs 77 199 304 which are commons not yet accounted for. Hint if you want to buy another 10 - 30 card lot. 10 card lot would also get you another star such as #10 Rosen or #277 Wynn. I am assuming conditions are fairly well spread out among the lots. I am pulling out the last 3 low numbers I need: 29 Kluzewski 185 283 for myself. I will "replace" them with other cards, including a star. Interesting that #185 Bill Nicholson is on my, Mark's, Tim's and Bob's list. Anyone know anything about this as a short print? With the show starting in a couple of days, I need responses quickly, or tell Larry to sell the lot at the show. I/we still have not determined how to split up the Pafko and Berra. Initial thoughts are if John or Walker want more than 30 cards, they would get 1 of them. Secondary thoughts are a raffle among the guys that go in on the lots (chances determined by number of cards purchased) or holding them for whenever the next time we have an OBC auction for some reason. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 14:48:39 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Reminders about your wantlists I was recently reviewing some OBC wantlists and noticed a couple of items that have been discussed before that were either missing or were present that we advise against. These items are: A last updated date. Many of us do not like to send cards to guys that do not keep their lists up to date. It either is a sign they are not active or do not show th courtesy to update when someone is kind enough to send out some cards to them. Please put a last updated date. If you are trying to be active and have not had any hits in a while, just update your date every so often (once a month or every month). The other item, is a security item. A few years ago, one member had the terrible situation of having his collection stolen. Although it is believed to be an inside job, we suggested removing personal home addresses from our lists. OBCers can obtain it on the OBC address list and you can give it out to anyone outside the group you are arranging a trade with, but it keeps it from just anyone scouring the internet for folks with collections they go and try and steal. These are not official OBC rules (at least not yet) but have been strongly suggested in the past. This is being sent as a reminder to the oldtimers and a suggestion for newcomers who may not have been informed of this previously. Mike Rich ================= To: , Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 10:11:05 -0500 From: "Tim Newcomb" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update Mike and all, I think it might make sense to place a market value on the Pafko and Berra,based on the low side of recent sales of ones in that condition (from vintagecardprices.com, for example). A quick glance suggests the Pafko in Good would be about $150 and the Berra in VG about $75-100. And then do the raffle idea you suggest below with all the folks who are involved getting a shot (if they want in), with the understanding that the winner would pay that amount for the card. If you wind up turning a profit on the lot, you could keep some as an administrator's fee :), or if you didn't want to do that, you could reduce everyone's lot fee proportionately, which would make sense given that not all ofthese cards are worth the same. Thanks again for trying to wrangle this- ----- Original Message ----- From: mikesportsfan To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 9:38 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update So far I have been contacted by 7 OBCers to split the 1952 Topps low # lot I wrote about early in the week. I had originally proposed trying to get 10 guys to each take 30 cards for $245 per "group". Of the 7, Brock and Gary each need only a few cards with specific backs. Since I do not know the backs, I am NOT counting them for this purchase. John Stamper and Walker Gutrie have easy lists and are each being counted on for 1 lot of 30 (if either of you wants more than that, let me know) and the following 3 would get the cards listed below. We therefore still have 50% of the lot left to get "commitments" for. I looked at the 2008 SCD and there are 35 cards (not counting Mays that is not in the lot) that book for $100 or more. Each 30 card lot was to get 3-4 star cards. If they got a "bigger" card, they get 3 if they got all smaller stars, they would get 4. In an effort to try and make this work for those that are interested I figure we can offer smaller 10 -15 card lots. 10 card lots would be $82 and would contain 1 card booking at $100 or more; 15 card lots would be $123 and contain 1 or 2 $100 or more cards. If we get enough guys to take the last 150 cards, then we will go forward. If not, we do not. The following are the cards that are "taken" by the guys below: Mark Talbot: 6 9 30 37 Snider 43 55 64 71 73 80 180 190 243 Doby 252 262 267 274 Branca 283 287 289 301 306 and 8 Tigers hopefully Tim Newcomb: 14 19 72 76 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175 Martin 187 188 200 Houk 237 248 251 268 Lemon 275 288 290 292 295 299 300 309 plus 3 more commons Bob Bannon: 7 8 11 Rizzuto 15 17 35 41 54 58 158 182 195 Minoso 233 235 246 Kell 253 257 258 261 263 266 269 281 282 284 286 293 296 297 301. Bob also needs 77 199 304 which are commons not yet accounted for. Hint if you want to buy another 10 - 30 card lot. 10 card lot would also get you another star such as #10 Rosen or #277 Wynn. I am assuming conditions are fairly well spread out among the lots. I am pulling out the last 3 low numbers I need: 29 Kluzewski 185 283 for myself. I will "replace" them with other cards, including a star. Interesting that #185 Bill Nicholson is on my, Mark's, Tim's and Bob's list. Anyone know anything about this as a short print? With the show starting in a couple of days, I need responses quickly, or tell Larry to sell the lot at the show. I/we still have not determined how to split up the Pafko and Berra. Initial thoughts are if John or Walker want more than 30 cards, they would get 1 of them. Secondary thoughts are a raffle among the guys that go in on the lots (chances determined by number of cards purchased) or holding them for whenever the next time we have an OBC auction for some reason. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:17:46 EDT To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update mike: does this mean that brock and i will not get any? i may be willing to buy a group if i get some of the backs i need. In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:39:19 AM Central Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: So far I have been contacted by 7 OBCers to split the 1952 Topps low # lot I wrote about early in the week. I had originally proposed trying to get 10 guys to each take 30 cards for $245 per "group". Of the 7, Brock and Gary each need only a few cards with specific backs. Since I do not know the backs, I am NOT counting them for this purchase. John Stamper and Walker Gutrie have easy lists and are each being counted on for 1 lot of 30 (if either of you wants more than that, let me know) and the following 3 would get the cards listed below. We therefore still have 50% of the lot left to get "commitments" for. I looked at the 2008 SCD and there are 35 cards (not counting Mays that is not in the lot) that book for $100 or more. Each 30 card lot was to get 3-4 star cards. If they got a "bigger" card, they get 3 if they got all smaller stars, they would get 4. In an effort to try and make this work for those that are interested I figure we can offer smaller 10 -15 card lots. 10 card lots would be $82 and would contain 1 card booking at $100 or more; 15 card lots would be $123 and contain 1 or 2 $100 or more cards. If we get enough guys to take the last 150 cards, then we will go forward. If not, we do not. The following are the cards that are "taken" by the guys below: Mark Talbot: 6 9 30 37 Snider 43 55 64 71 73 80 180 190 243 Doby 252 262 267 274 Branca 283 287 289 301 306 and 8 Tigers hopefully Tim Newcomb: 14 19 72 76 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175 Martin 187 188 200 Houk 237 248 251 268 Lemon 275 288 290 292 295 299 300 309 plus 3 more commons Bob Bannon: 7 8 11 Rizzuto 15 17 35 41 54 58 158 182 195 Minoso 233 235 246 Kell 253 257 258 261 263 266 269 281 282 284 286 293 296 297 301. Bob also needs 77 199 304 which are commons not yet accounted for. Hint if you want to buy another 10 - 30 card lot. 10 card lot would also get you another star such as #10 Rosen or #277 Wynn. I am assuming conditions are fairly well spread out among the lots. I am pulling out the last 3 low numbers I need: 29 Kluzewski 185 283 for myself. I will "replace" them with other cards, including a star. Interesting that #185 Bill Nicholson is on my, Mark's, Tim's and Bob's list. Anyone know anything about this as a short print? With the show starting in a couple of days, I need responses quickly, or tell Larry to sell the lot at the show. I/we still have not determined how to split up the Pafko and Berra. Initial thoughts are if John or Walker want more than 30 cards, they would get 1 of them. Secondary thoughts are a raffle among the guys that go in on the lots (chances determined by number of cards purchased) or holding them for whenever the next time we have an OBC auction for some reason. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:20:40 EDT To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminders about your wantlists i would like to propose to the OBCAC that addresses NOT be allowed on the In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:49:06 AM Central Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: I was recently reviewing some OBC wantlists and noticed a couple of items that have been discussed before that were either missing or were present that we advise against. These items are: A last updated date. Many of us do not like to send cards to guys that do not keep their lists up to date. It either is a sign they are not active or do not show th courtesy to update when someone is kind enough to send out some cards to them. Please put a last updated date. If you are trying to be active and have not had any hits in a while, just update your date every so often (once a month or every month). The other item, is a security item. A few years ago, one member had the terrible situation of having his collection stolen. Although it is believed to be an inside job, we suggested removing personal home addresses from our lists. OBCers can obtain it on the OBC address list and you can give it out to anyone outside the group you are arranging a trade with, but it keeps it from just anyone scouring the internet for folks with collections they go and try and steal. These are not official OBC rules (at least not yet) but have been strongly suggested in the past. This is being sent as a reminder to the oldtimers and a suggestion for newcomers who may not have been informed of this previously. Mike Rich **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 12:21:47 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminders about your wantlists I second that motion Rob "The FIREMAN" **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:02:58 EDT To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Reminders about your wantlists I've sent this message for what seems like a year now. I know both Joe and Wayne have work on it but I still can't get it to put it on my want list page. i can paste but when i hit the button to save it goes back to what was originally on it. In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:48:47 A.M. Central Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com writes: I was recently reviewing some OBC wantlists and noticed a couple of items that have been discussed before that were either missing or were present that we advise against. These items are: A last updated date. Many of us do not like to send cards to guys that do not keep their lists up to date. It either is a sign they are not active or do not show th courtesy to update when someone is kind enough to send out some cards to them. Please put a last updated date. If you are trying to be active and have not had any hits in a while, just update your date every so often (once a month or every month). The other item, is a security item. A few years ago, one member had the terrible situation of having his collection stolen. Although it is believed to be an inside job, we suggested removing personal home addresses from our lists. OBCers can obtain it on the OBC address list and you can give it out to anyone outside the group you are arranging a trade with, but it keeps it from just anyone scouring the internet for folks with collections they go and try and steal. These are not official OBC rules (at least not yet) but have been strongly suggested in the past. This is being sent as a reminder to the oldtimers and a suggestion for newcomers who may not have been informed of this previously. Mike Rich **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 13:21:37 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update Like Gary, I would I be willing to buy a lot to get any I need. ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:50:24 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: National Update- Last before I leave... Well boys, the tickets for the Cubs game are becoming a dim flicker of light on my end. I'm willing to either Stub Hub it or Scalp at the game. Not sure how many are into this or how much you'd be willing to go on a ticket. I think singles are still available on the Cubs website. I'm going to confer with Kent when we get in tomorrow and see what we want to do and we'll pass it on to the rest. Here is the latest roster for National 2008. I really wish they would find another venue to add to the rotation. Cleveland just ain't my favorite city and that is where we will be in 2009. There are so many great places in this country to visit, I'd love to use OBC/National as an excuse to get to some of Roster is pasted and attached. Don't forget to ask at the desk when you arrive if they have a room we can use on Sat nite! See some of you within the next few days! Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Extended Stay O'Hare Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Extended Stay Deluxe Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Comfort Suites O'Hare No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Yes Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Fr-Su Phil Chiemelewski Home Marshall West 801-979-7205 Softiel Chicago Yes+1 No W-Sa John Leroux 262-902-8804 Home No Yes Th, Sa Ron Perry Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Fr-Su **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:53:17 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: friday cubs game i still have on ticket for friday's 1:20 game vs the pirates. mike wierzbicki, spike glidden and myself will be there as well. please let me know ASAP if interested before i offer it to non-obc'ers. tnx, gary mandell In a message dated 7/27/2008 6:50:40 PM Central Daylight Time, ChicoD1@aol.com writes: Well boys, the tickets for the Cubs game are becoming a dim flicker of light on my end. I'm willing to either Stub Hub it or Scalp at the game. Not sure how many are into this or how much you'd be willing to go on a ticket. I think singles are still available on the Cubs website. I'm going to confer with Kent when we get in tomorrow and see what we want to do and we'll pass it on to the rest. Here is the latest roster for National 2008. I really wish they would find another venue to add to the rotation. Cleveland just ain't my favorite city and that is where we will be in 2009. There are so many great places in this country to visit, I'd love to use OBC/National as an excuse to get to some of Roster is pasted and attached. Don't forget to ask at the desk when you arrive if they have a room we can use on Sat nite! See some of you within the next few days! Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Extended Stay O'Hare Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Extended Stay Deluxe Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Comfort Suites O'Hare No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Yes Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Fr-Su Phil Chiemelewski Home Marshall West 801-979-7205 Softiel Chicago Yes+1 No W-Sa John Leroux 262-902-8804 Home No Yes Th, Sa Ron Perry Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Fr-Su Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) . **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:54:13 EDT To: Smartalecx@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] friday cubs game that should read ONE ticket In a message dated 7/27/2008 6:53:32 PM Central Daylight Time, smartalecx@aol.com writes: i still have on ticket for friday's 1:20 game vs the pirates. mike wierzbicki, spike glidden and myself will be there as well. please let me know ASAP if interested before i offer it to non-obc'ers. tnx, gary mandell In a message dated 7/27/2008 6:50:40 PM Central Daylight Time, ChicoD1@aol.In a messag Well boys, the tickets for the Cubs game are becoming a dim flicker of light on my end. I'm willing to either Stub Hub it or Scalp at the game. Not sure how many are into this or how much you'd be willing to go on a ticket. I think singles are still available on the Cubs website. I'm going to confer with Kent when we get in tomorrow and see what we want to do and we'll pass it on to the rest. Here is the latest roster for National 2008. I really wish they would find another venue to add to the rotation. Cleveland just ain't my favorite city and that is where we will be in 2009. There are so many great places in this country to visit, I'd love to use OBC/National as an excuse to get to some of Roster is pasted and attached. Don't forget to ask at the desk when you arrive if they have a room we can use on Sat nite! See some of you within the next few days! Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Extended Stay O'Hare Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Extended Stay Deluxe Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Comfort Suites O'Hare No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Yes Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Fr-Su Phil Chiemelewski Home Marshall West 801-979-7205 Softiel Chicago Yes+1 No W-Sa John Leroux 262-902-8804 Home No Yes Th, Sa Ron Perry Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Fr-Su Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) . Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) . **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 17:26:55 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: T202 shopping OBCers -- Any of you National types want to hunt down a T202 for me? I'm trying to find one in particular - Speaker/Wood, Close at Third. If anybody wants to keep their eyes open, let me know... Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:56:37 EDT To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: brockhattox@cs.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] T202 shopping I will be glad to pay for any T202 bargains at the national as well. ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 18:51:00 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: John Stamper Subject: Going to the National Hello everyone, I am going to the National. Most of you know that already. I noticed that my name is still not on the roster, so I wanted to make sure that all the National bound OBCer's know that I will be there. See you there John Stamper ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 01:59:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: T5 PINKERTON and 1908 Highlanders? Hey, does anyone have the T5 Pinkerton card of O'Rourke? Or an image of one? Also, does anyone have a team photo of the 1908 New York Highlanders? This was Queenie O'Rourke's only year in MLB. He was the SON of HOFer "Orator" Jim O'Rourke. As a matter of fact, does ANYONE have ANY image of "Queenie" (James Stephen O'Rourke)? I have a friend who is looking for some photo info. Please email me if anyone can help, and thank you very much for your time!!! ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 22:01:44 EDT To: john@holidayandhobbies.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] Going to the National which day(s)? What is your cell #? Where are you staying? Yeesh, Need to teach the rookies all the rules. Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 19:37:14 -0700 (PDT) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com, From: John Stamper Subject: Re: [OBC-National] Going to the National Hi Mike and OBC I will be at the National Wednesday night to Friday. I leave for home very early Saturday morning. I will be at the game on Friday, Mac has my ticket. I would like to attend swap night. I am staying at Crowne Plaza across from The National. My cell phone is 818-974-9591. I may have an extra week long pass for The National. I won't know until Wednesday night. I also have an extra bed. My Hotel Room has 2 Queen sized beds. $140 a night. John Stamper mikesportsfan@aol.com wrote: which day(s)? What is your cell #? Where are you staying? Yeesh, Need to teach the rookies all the rules. Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2008 23:04:42 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: ok this is the final update... I think. New addition of John Stamper! Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Extended Stay O'Hare Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Extended Stay Deluxe Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Comfort Suites O'Hare No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Yes Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Fr-Su Phil Chiemelewski Home Marshall West 801-979-7205 Softiel Chicago Yes+1 No W-Sa John Leroux 262-902-8804 Home No Yes Th, Sa Ron Perry Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Fr-Su John Stamper 818-974-9591 Crowne Plaza Yes No **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:19:12 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: swap details do we have a day, place and time set up for the swap? i am getting conflicting reports. gm In a message dated 7/27/2008 6:50:39 PM Central Daylight Time, ChicoD1@aol.com writes: Well boys, the tickets for the Cubs game are becoming a dim flicker of light on my end. I'm willing to either Stub Hub it or Scalp at the game. Not sure how many are into this or how much you'd be willing to go on a ticket. I think singles are still available on the Cubs website. I'm going to confer with Kent when we get in tomorrow and see what we want to do and we'll pass it on to the rest. Here is the latest roster for National 2008. I really wish they would find another venue to add to the rotation. Cleveland just ain't my favorite city and that is where we will be in 2009. There are so many great places in this country to visit, I'd love to use OBC/National as an excuse to get to some of Roster is pasted and attached. Don't forget to ask at the desk when you arrive if they have a room we can use on Sat nite! See some of you within the next few days! Name Cell Phone Hotel Fri Game Swap Session Days There Sal Domino 516-238-8070 Extended Stay O'Hare Yes Yes M-Su Kent Goto 618-910-9354 Extended Stay Deluxe Yes+1 Yes M-Su Gary Mandell 773-547-2112 Yes Yes Th,Sa Mike Mroz 586-596-2776 Intercontinental No No Fri,Sa Mike Rich 248-709-2235 Comfort Suites O'Hare No Yes Fri-Su Mark Talbot 586-306-6033 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Sa-Su Larry Gersbach 513-310-0195 Mooching off his daughter :-) No Yes Fr-Sa Spike Glidden 508-472-9915 Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Yes Fr-Sa TJ Valacak 847-927-9971 Home No Yes Th-Sa JS Gray 847-699-6300Hotel Sheraton Gateway Yes+1 Yes Fr-Sa Mike Wierzbicki Yes George Vrechek Home Fr-Su Phil Chiemelewski Home Marshall West 801-979-7205 Softiel Chicago Yes+1 No W-Sa John Leroux 262-902-8804 Home No Yes Th, Sa Ron Perry Comfort Suites O'Hare Yes Fr-Su Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) . **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: , Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:08:23 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update Gary, Brock, et. al, I am at least a double lifetime away from even dreaming about this set, and since my vehicle decided to break down this weekend, obviously, repairs are going to take priority. (I'm guessing the fuel pumphas become too tired to operate any longer, but that "CHECK ENGINE" light could be even more scary.) Alas, find the back variations that you need, and I am completely willing to offer up the card lot that was allocated my way. I'd be content to see asingle card from this group, since making a $245 dollar purchase at this time in the face of auto repairs, is going to be almost impossible. I'm still willing to purchase as much as I can of what no one else wants, but half of our "recommended amount" is going to be closer to my budget. ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update mike: does this mean that brock and i will not get any? i may be willing to buy a group if i get some of the backs i need. In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:39:19 AM Central Daylight Time, mikesportsfan@aol.com So far I have been contacted by 7 OBCers to split the 1952 Topps low # lot I wrote about early in the week. I had originally proposed trying to get 10 guys to each take 30 cards for $245 per "group". Of the 7, Brock and Gary each need only a few cards with specific backs. Since I do not know the backs, I am NOT counting them for this purchase. John Stamper and Walker Gutrie have easy lists and are each being counted on for 1 lot of 30 (if either of you wants more than that, let me know) and the following 3 would get the cards listed below. We therefore still have 50% of the lot left to get "commitments" for. I looked at the 2008 SCD and there are 35 cards (not counting Mays that is not in the lot) that book for $100 or more. Each 30 card lot was to get 3-4 star cards. If they got a "bigger" card, they get 3 if they got all smaller stars, they would get 4. In an effort to try and make this work for those that are interested I figure we can offer smaller 10 -15 card lots. 10 card lots would be $82 and would contain 1 card booking at $100 or more; 15 card lots would be $123 and contain 1 or 2 $100 or more cards. If we get enough guys to take the last 150 cards, then we will go forward. If not, we do not. The following are the cards that are "taken" by the guys below: Mark Talbot: 6 9 30 37 Snider 43 55 64 71 73 80 180 190 243 Doby 252 262 267 274 Branca 283 287 289 301 306 and 8 Tigers hopefully Tim Newcomb: 14 19 72 76 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175 Martin 187 188 200 Houk 237 248 251 268 Lemon 275 288 290 292 295 299 300 309 plus 3 more commons Bob Bannon: 7 8 11 Rizzuto 15 17 35 41 54 58 158 182 195 Minoso 233 235 246 Kell 253 257 258 261 263 266 269 281 282 284 286 293 296 297 301. Bob also needs 77 199 304 which are commons not yet accounted for. Hint if you want to buy another 10 - 30 card lot. 10 card lot would also get you another star such as #10 Rosen or #277 Wynn. I am assuming conditions are fairly well spread out among the lots. I am pulling out the last 3 low numbers I need: 29 Kluzewski 185 283 for myself. I will "replace" them with other cards, including a star. Interesting that #185 Bill Nicholson is on my, Mark's, Tim's and Bob's list. Anyone know anything about this as a short print? With the show starting in a couple of days, I need responses quickly, or tell Larry to sell the lot at the show. I/we still have not determined how to split up the Pafko and Berra. Initial thoughts are if John or Walker want more than 30 cards, they would get 1 of them. Secondary thoughts are a raffle among the guys that go in on the lots (chances determined by number of cards purchased) or holding them for whenever the next time we have an OBC auction for some reason. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 04:05:56 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Checklist help Can anyone provide me with a checklist of the Tigers that are available within the 1962 Salada Coins baseball set? ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 09:23:31 -0400 From: "ant" Subject: Vacation time I will be back on thursday night. I will mail out cards friday and field any other trades when back. In the mean time feel free to knock out some of my Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 10:58:46 EDT To: wguthrie@axint.net, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update hi mike: not sure if this helpd, but if i can get some cards, i would be willing to share walker's share with brock. gm In a message dated 7/28/2008 1:08:50 AM Central Daylight Time, wguthrie@axint.net writes: Gary, Brock, et. al, I am at least a double lifetime away from even dreaming about this set, and since my vehicle decided to break down this weekend, obviously, repairs are going to take priority. (I'm guessing the fuel pump has become too tired to operate any longer, but that "CHECK ENGINE" light could be even more scary.) Alas, find the back variations that you need, and I am completely willing to offer up the card lot that was allocated my way. I'd be content to see a single card from this group, since making a $245 dollar purchase at this time in the face of auto repairs, is going to be almost impossible. I'm still willing to purchase as much as I can of what no one else wants, but half of our "recommended amount" is going to be closer to my budget. ----- Original Message ----- From: _smartalecx@aol.com_ (mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) To: _Mikesportsfan@aol.com_ (mailto:Mikesportsfan@aol.com) ; _OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com) Sent: Sunday, July 27, 2008 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Topps lot split update mike: does this mean that brock and i will not get any? i may be willing to buy a group if i get some of the backs i need. In a message dated 7/27/2008 9:39:19 AM Central Daylight Time, _mikesportsfan@mikespo_ (mailto:mikesportsfan@aol.com) writes: So far I have been contacted by 7 OBCers to split the 1952 Topps low # lot I wrote about early in the week. I had originally proposed trying to get 10 guys to each take 30 cards for $245 per "group". Of the 7, Brock and Gary each need only a few cards with specific backs. Since I do not know the backs, I am NOT counting them for this purchase. John Stamper and Walker Gutrie have easy lists and are each being counted on for 1 lot of 30 (if either of you wants more than that, let me know) and the following 3 would get the cards listed below. We therefore still have 50% of the lot left to get "commitments" for. I looked at the 2008 SCD and there are 35 cards (not counting Mays that is not in the lot) that book for $100 or more. Each 30 card lot was to get 3-4 star cards. If they got a "bigger" card, they get 3 if they got all smaller stars, they would get 4. In an effort to try and make this work for those that are interested I figure we can offer smaller 10 -15 card lots. 10 card lots would be $82 and would contain 1 card booking at $100 or more; 15 card lots would be $123 and contain 1 or 2 $100 or more cards. If we get enough guys to take the last 150 cards, then we will go forward. If not, we do not. The following are the cards that are "taken" by the guys below: Mark Talbot: 6 9 30 37 Snider 43 55 64 71 73 80 180 190 243 Doby 252 262 267 274 Branca 283 287 289 301 306 and 8 Tigers hopefully Tim Newcomb: 14 19 72 76 139 140 153 156 170 172 173 175 Martin 187 188 200 Houk 237 248 251 268 Lemon 275 288 290 292 295 299 300 309 plus 3 more commons Bob Bannon: 7 8 11 Rizzuto 15 17 35 41 54 58 158 182 195 Minoso 233 235 246 Kell 253 257 258 261 263 266 269 281 282 284 286 293 296 297 301. Bob also needs 77 199 304 which are commons not yet accounted for. Hint if you want to buy another 10 - 30 card lot. 10 card lot would also get you another star such as #10 Rosen or #277 Wynn. I am assuming conditions are fairly well spread out among the lots. I am pulling out the last 3 low numbers I need: 29 Kluzewski 185 283 for myself. I will "replace" them with other cards, including a star. Interesting that #185 Bill Nicholson is on my, Mark's, Tim's and Bob's list. Anyone know anything about this as a short print? With the show starting in a couple of days, I need responses quickly, or tell Larry to sell the lot at the show. I/we still have not determined how to split up the Pafko and Berra. Initial thoughts are if John or Walker want more than 30 cards, they would get 1 of them. Secondary thoughts are a raffle among the guys that go in on the lots (chances determined by number of cards purchased) or holding them for whenever the next time we have an OBC auction for some reason. Mike Rich cell: (248) 709-2235 Get fantasy football with free live scoring. _Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today_ (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) . **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:18:14 -0400 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Per request Okay guys...per request, my wantlist was updated today so have at it! ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 15:27:44 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: larrygers@aol.com Subject: Re: Hotel shuttles to the National? Are any of the hotels running a shuttle to the National like they did the last time it was in Chicago? **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:37:11 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: We have 2 new members! The following has also been posted to the Announcements server, but I felt like wasting bandwidth (or whatever it is that the kids say today) & repeat it here: Please join me in welcoming our newest members of OBC - Gord Ellis & Jeff Whitworth. Gord's mentor is Ray Luurs; Jeff's mentor is TJ Valacak. Thanks to the AC for voting on our newest members, and thanks to those of you who volunteered to be mentors to the new guys. Web gurus - please subscribe Jeff & Gord to the servers, add them to the address directory, & get the links to their wantlists up & running at your earliest convenience. Until the web gurus do that voodoo that they do so well (and considering it's Christmas/your holiday-of-choice week here in OBC & that the computer magicians may be getting ready to head to Chi- town), here is contact information for Gord and Jeff: Jeff Whitworth 2398 Copper Sunrise Sierra Vista AZ 85635 Work Phone 520-533-0684 Home Phone 520-456-5384 E-mail jwhitworth30@yahoo.com Web Page URL http://www.freewebs.com/jwhitworth30/ Date of Birth (mm/dd/yy) 12/22/70 Gord Ellis 129 Simcoe St. E. Hamilton, Ontario, Canada L8L 3N7 Work Phone 905-525-1433 Home Phone 905-525-1433 E-mail ellisgl@interlynx.net Web Page URL webspawner.com/gordo1947 Date of Birth (mm/dd/yy) 11/29/47 Please feel free to welcome Jeff & Gord in the traditional OBC way! Your "New Member Guy", ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:54:05 -0700 (PDT) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Type / TCMA availables Hey folks, A lot that contained a new #5 came with three more I'm happy to pass around. Let me know if you're actually working on the set. (I didn't see anyone who was, so assume people can fill out their type collections.) 1973 TCMA Drawings & Autographs: 2 Christy Mathewson, 4 Hornsby, 9 Ruth If you haven't seen them before, I wrote up a quick piece picturing the Ruth today. http://thingsdonetocards.blogspot.com/2008/07/1973-tcma-drawings-autographs.html ================= Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:03:19 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: ddejong@everestkc.net Subject: The "Last Baseball Game" Hey gang - Just thought I would share a little about my 'last' ball game from this weekend. May wife and I have three sons all of whom have played baseball (we have a daughter too, but she never played). Due ot work responsibilities I was never the head coach, but for each of the boys I have helped coach in some capacity. Our oldest was only semi into it....played well but didn't stick with it too long. Our second son was a decent ball player and played from tee ball all the way until high school, and was on a traveling team the last few years before deciding to focus on football and wrestling all year round. Our youngest, Steven, was definitley the best ball player. He picked it up right away and really did well at the plate and in the field. He pitched, played third and was a catcher some. Around sixth grade his team won the city championship in a game where he was the winning pitcher, got the game winning hit , and came back to pitch the final out (yeah, they let you do th at in that league) to save his own win! Another year he got a bases loaded walk off triple in a championship game. He started having arm trouble his first year in high school but decided to keep playing in the rec league in our area. The last few years he has played almost exclusively at third, but this year he did pitch a bit again. The regular season ended last week, and he was on a tear. He went 10 for 11 in his last three games and was walked three times. This weekend was the tournament, and I realized that it would be his -- and my -- last weekend of baseball. They won the first game by forfeit Friday night to get into the semi-finals the easy way. They were really short-handed going into the game Saturday, and the hopes were not high. In the first inning, he put a ball over the fence for a two run homer. He got out his second time up and then got a single. In the last inning, he came up with two out and no one on, trailing by a run. He hit the first pitch to straight away center, and it scraped the fence coming down. He got to second, and the clean up hitter stranded him there They gave it a good try, but fell short 4-3. Game over...season over....stage of life over. I kept finding myself thinking about how many times I had gone out to that park to watch my kids play. How many thousands of sunflower seeds had I spit out there? How many times did I grab a glove and warm my son (or one of his friends) up between innings while the catcher was getting his gear on? It has been a fantastic, wonderful ride, but it seems really strange for it to be over. My wife has taken some great pictures over the years, so tonight she is putting some together in a book. Tremendous memories. We are going to see the Twins when they are in town (no one goes to see the Royals....) next week, but it won't be as good as watching your own kids! For those who still have little guys in ball ... enjoy! You will be amazed at how fast it goes! Later ............ Doug ================= To: Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:26:48 -0400 From: Mac Wubben Subject: Mac's national plans I see that I never got on the roster...guess I'll surprise a few of you. Here are my plans and contact number... From: obcmac@hotmail.comTo: obc-national@yahoogroups.comSubject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] National UpdateDate: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 10:18:14 -0400 Could someone please forward this information to Sal. He has me on his block list...maybe for the Santana trade? Anyways...I snapped up Rob G's cubs/pirates tickets...he had 3, but I only need two. So there is one availablefor $25 if anyone wants to join me. Mac Wubben 240-423-4605 Hotel: Sheraton Gateway (hello JSG) Friday Game: Yes Swap Session: maybe Days: To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.comCC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; drphil2b@wi.rr.comFrom: ChicoD1@aol.comDate: Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:08:42 -0400Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] National Update Here's where we are so far. We need about 9 total tickets and we have 4 (Gary, let me know if those 4 have names attached to them yet). Probably looking at needed 12 or so total. If anyone has a handle on any tickets, let me know. Personally, I'm not too worried about the price (but I don't want to cut myself from finishing my 60T set either), as long as we can get everyone in to Wrigley. Attached and inserted is the latest roster. Help me fill in the blanks and there is still time for anyone to join us. I can tell you rookies, this is a blast. You get to meet your lifelong friends. We eat pretty good. We talk baseball. We throw baseball cards at each other. We're going to need some help finding a place to hold the swap session. This was traditionally Ken's job, but marriage has him just a bit busy this year. Best/Worst memory of a National: During the swap session, Ken would always hold an auction of cards. Some were giveaways, some were just plain great deals that he found and passed over to us. Well, I think it was the last Chicago, Ken comes up with a Green tint (keep in mind, I was only worried about Blue and Red bastards at the time). With a devilish grin, he stares at me and some unknown power forces meto jump on that card. Hence the beginning of my green tint collection (I used to like that guy in the funny hat LOL). Well since I have most of the run, I may actually start the 62T set at the National if I can get some deals. We'll have to pick up the slack for Ken (that's some big emails to fill!). We are down to a month away, so let me know what your status is so I can send another updated roster! Cell Phone Fri Game Swap Session Days There Mooching off his daughter :-) Sheraton Gateway Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. The other season of giving begins 6/24/08. Check out the i=92m Talkathon. Check it out! Stay in touch when you're away with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger2_072008 ================= To: "mikesportsfan" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:59:26 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Probably the FINAL 1952 Topps lot split update Hello All, I have spent most of the day continuing the process of trying to get enough traders involved in this deal to acquire almost all of the `52 Topps LOW numbered cards. Today, I've been pestering (I know like an annoying gnat) some of you and we are about 80% there but that is not enough to pull the trigger on this deal. I'm already committed to 20% of the lot and can't afford any more (or I'll be walking around tables in Chicago for 3 days with about $20 in my pocket). If anyone is working on the `52 Topps set and wants to pick up a few for their collection I can think of no better time than now to do so. We need a few more buyers to make this deal happen and this is how it works. We are offering 10, 20 and 30 card lots that will include star cards and commons. For each 10 card lot you select you may choose 1 named card and 9 additional cards. We do not know if the cards 1-80 are red or black backed cards and will not be able to find out until we get to Chicago. The average condition of these cards will be VG with some better and some not but once again I can't report on the individual condition of cards. The breakdown comes to about $8 a piece for this deal so if that is too much you you then don't even consider it. I can hold any lot you care to designate at the following cost; 10 cards lots - $85, 20 card lots - $165 and 30 card lots - $245. Remember for every 10 cards select a named player and 9 additional cards that are not named. Here is what is available: 1952 Topps Deal 2 (Runnels), 3, 4, 5, 10 (Rosen), 18, 20 (Loes), 21, 26 (Irvin), 31 (Zernail), 34, 38, 42, 45, 46, 47, 48 (Page), 50, 52, 53, 56, 57 (Lopat), 60, 61, 62, 63, 65 (Slaughter), 66 (Roe), 67 (Reynolds), 70, 81, 82, 83, 84, 85, 86, 87, 89, 92, 93, 94, 96, 97, 98, 99, 100, 102, 104, 105, 107, 108, 109, 111, 112, 113, 114, 115, 118, 120, 121, 122 (Jensen), 123, 124, 125, 126, 127, 134, 136, 137, 143, 145, 154, 157, 162, 166, 176, 183, 189, 192, 193, 194, 196, 197, 201, 205, 206, 209, 211, 213, 217, 218, 219, 220, 223, 224, 225, 226, 229, 232, 238, 239, 241, 279. I got 10 guys who are counting on me to close this deal but I can't do so unless a few more are willing to participate (am I sounding desperate enough). So give me a hollar if you have any interest at all as we have already passed the deadline to contact the seller (but I'm betting that if I do so by tomorrow we will still be good, as the show doesn't open till Wednesday). I would love to hear from anyone who has interest in this lot. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------------ MARK ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 00:03:19 EDT To: talbot1@comcast.net, Mikesportsfan@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Probably the FINAL 1952 Topps lot split update Mike and Mark, Not sure if my last email got through but I will buy the rest of them if you **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 20:25:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Earthquake in Los Angeles-5.8 So I was just getting together some cards to send to Rob Gioia. He requested the 55 topps Hi # I had as an available. I didn't want to send him just that one card so I was going over his want list and found a couple of 64 topps on his list and suddenly my dog starts barking like crazy. I also heard just about every dog in the neighborhood barking and I knew what that meant from the 1994 quake here in Northridge. An earthquake is about to happen and get out of the house fast. I ran for the door and just as I got outside it hit. It was quite a shaker and something you easterners and mid westerners don't have to experience luckily. ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 19:28:02 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: National Update Well the bad news is that we can't get any other tickets for the Friday game. I suggest you check out Ebay or Stub Hub if you still want to hit Wrigley on Friday. Ken, if you are reading this, email me if you remember where we had the swap last time in Chicago (you remember, that was the place where you almost fell to your knees thinking Manny was coming to the Mets ). I swear I don't know how you did it every year. Also, can you let me know who we can hit up for donations to the swap besides Kevin Savage. So far so good on the Chicago front, Kent and myself did the tourist thing today checking out Soldier Field and the Pier. We are really itching to get to the show tomorrow. Anyone who gets to the show, remember to call me so we can meet up. Spike: can you please post the OBC friendly dealer link for those about to arrive in Chicago. It's a good idea that we visit these guys. Not only for the deals, but also for the good will. Many of these guys have supported us for a long time (ie- the swap meet donations, etc) and we need to introduce some of the new guys to them. Does anyone remember who the guys were that had the OBC banner in their booth in Cleveland (how cool was that!)? Another guy to visit is Dick Zimmerman (not sure if he is on the list). Excellent OBC dealer who passed some great deals thru the mail to us recently. Whoever had the info about what booth he is at, can you please pass it on to me. Well that seems to be the update for now. I'll catch some of you tomorrow and the rest can live vicariously through the emails you will see over the next few days! **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:27:59 EDT To: ChicoD1@aol.com, OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-National] National Update Mac may have 1 extra ticket for the game. His cell: (240) 423-4605. Mike Rich In a message dated 7/29/08 7:28:19 PM Eastern Daylight Time, ChicoD1@aol.com > Well the bad news is that we can't get any other tickets for the Friday > game. Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= To: , Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 21:10:09 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Probably the FINAL 1952 Topps lot split update You're awesome, Sir BB !!! ----- Original Message ----- From: biggies@aol.com To: talbot1@comcast.net ; Mikesportsfan@aol.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 10:03 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Probably the FINAL 1952 Topps lot split update Mike and Mark, Not sure if my last email got through but I will buy the rest of them if you Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football ================= To: Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:24:37 -0400 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Who's got number 1026? I logged in my recent batch of T206s that put me over the 1000 mark and made the following list of common cards with common backs that I need. If youhave one in your collection and want to trade I'm sure I can find you a T206 to take it's place. Thanks for looking, I need the following Piedmonts...Abbaticchio (blue sleeves), Adkins, Alperman, Ames (hands at chest),Bescher (portrait), Bradley (w/ bat), Bridwell (portrait, with cap), Burchell, Camnitz (arms at side), Conroy (fielding), H. Davis (Phil., Davis on front), H. Davis (Phil., H. Davis on front), Devore, Donlin (w/ bat), Donohue, Donovan (portrait), Dougherty(portrait), Joe Doyle (hands above head), Dunn, Elberfeld (Wash. - fielding), Freeman, Graham, (St L), Jordan (Brooklyn, batting), Karger, Kleinow(Boston), Kleinow(NY catching), Kling, Lake (St. L, ball in hand), Latham, Leifield (batting), Liebhardt, Lobert, Lumley, Lundgren (KC), McBride, McLean, McQuillan w/ bat), Merkle (portrait), Merritt, Milligan, Moran (Providence), Murphy batting, O'Hara (New York), Payne, Pfeffer, Pfeister (throwing), Pickering,Powell, Purtell, Raymond, Reulbach (glove showing, Reulbach (no glove showing), Rhoades (right arm extended), Rhodes, Schlafly, Schlei (portrait), Schmidt (throwing), Schulte (front view), Scott, Seymour (throwing), Seymour (portrait), Shannon, Snodgrass (catching), Snodgrass (batting), Steinfeldt (portrait), Stone, Sweeney (NY), Taylor, Titus, Wagner (bat on right shoulder), Doc White (Chicago, portrait), Wilhelm (hands at chest), Willetts and Wiltse (portrait w/ cap) I need the following Sweet Caporals .... Adkins, Ames (hands at chest), Ames (portrait), Anderson, Arellanes, Ball (Cleveland), Ball (New York), Barbeau, Barry (Philadelphia), Batch, Beaumont, Bergen (batting), Bernhard, Bescher (hands in air), Bradley (portrait), Brain, Brashear, Bridwell (portrait, with cap), Burch (batting), Burch (fielding), Burchell, Camnitz (arms folded), Campbell, Carr, Carrigan, Casey, Cassidy, Charles, Cicotte, Clymer, Crandall (portrait-no cap), Cree, Dahlen (Boston), Dahlen (Brooklyn), Davidson, H. Davis (Phil., Davis on front), Dineen, Donlin (w/ bat), Donohue, Dougherty(arm in air), Downey (fielding), Downs, Larry Doyle (throwing), Larry Doyle (w/ bat), Durham, Dygert, Elberfeld(NY), Elberfeld (Wash. - fielding), Evans, Ewing, Fiene (portrait), Freeman, Fromme, Gandil, Ganley,Ganzel, Gray, Grimshaw, Hall, Hannifan, Hayden, Herzog (Boston), Hinchman (Cleveland), Hinchman (Toledo), Hoblitzel, Howard (Chicago), F. Jones (portrait), T Jones (St Louis), Jordan (Brooklyn, batting), Karger, Kissinger, Knight(portrait), Krause (portrait), Kroh, Leifield (pitching), Lobert, Lord, Magee w/ bat, Maloney, Manning (pitching), Mattern, McCormick, McElveen, McIntyre (Detroit), Merkle (throwing), Milan, Mitchell (Cin.), Mitchell (Tor.), Moeller, Moran (Chicago), Moriarty, Mullen, Mullin w/ bat, Murphy throwing, Murray portrait, Myers (batting), Myers (fielding), Nattress, Nichols(batting), Niles, Obrien, Oldring (fielding), Overall (hand face level),Overall (portrait), parent, Paskert, Pastorious, Pfeister (seated), Pfeister (throwing), Phelps, Poland, Powell, Quillen, Randall, Raymond, Rucker (throwing), Rudolph, Schaeffer (wash.), Schlafly, Schmidt (portrait), Shaw (prov.), Shaw (St. Louis), Sheckard (glove showing), Sheckard (no glove showing), Smith (Chicago all versions), Snodgrass (catching), Spencer, Stahl (no glove shows), Steinfelt w bat, Stovall batting, Strang, Street (catching), Street (portrait), Lee Tannehill (Chicago L. Tannehill on front, Thielman, Thomas, Titus, Turner, Wagner (bat on left shoulder), Wagner (bat on right shoulder), Doc White (Chicago, pitching), Wilhelm (hands at chest), Willett,Willetts, Williams, Wilson, Wiltse (pitching),Wright and Zimmerman. ================= To: "Linda" , Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 23:03:13 -0600 From: "Walker" Subject: Once is Enough !!! - - - Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Earthquake in Los Angeles-5.8 As a "Michigan man," I was "hanging out" in a "hospital bedroom" in the Presidio of San Francisco, when my over head bed bar started swinging, and before the whole room itself started shaking, I knew what was going on, so I grabbed onto that bar and held on tight for nearly ten minutes until I knew it was all over. It wasn't much, but it was the first and last time I experienced a quake and I pray I never have to again! ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 2:25 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Earthquake in Los Angeles-5.8 So I was just getting together some cards to send to Rob Gioia. He requested the 55 topps Hi # I had as an available. I didn't want to send him just that one card so I was going over his want list and found a couple of 64 topps on his list and suddenly my dog starts barking like crazy. I also heard just about every dog in the neighborhood barking and I knew what that meant from the 1994 quake here in Northridge. An earthquake is about to happen and get out of the house fast. I ran for the door and just as I got outside it hit. It was quite a shaker and something you easterners and mid westerners don't have to experience luckily. ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 06:53:57 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Earthquake in Los Angeles-5.8 Well Linda, The Midwest is not entirely immune from earthquakes. I have lived through 4 or 5 here in Detroit since 1963 when we moved here (I was 8 yrs. old). There is a fault line known as the New Madrid Fault that has its epicenter in New Madrid Missouri in the southeast corner of the state. On November 9, 1968 a magnitude 5.5 earthquake centered in southern Illinois was the strongest in the central United States since 1895. It caused moderate damage to chimneys and walls at Hermann, St. Charles, St. Louis, and Sikeston, Missouri. The felt areas include all or portions of 23 states. So we kind of know what you went through today Linda. REGARDS ------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" So I was just getting together some cards to send to Rob Gioia. He requested the 55 topps Hi # I had as an available. I didn't want to send him just that one card so I was going over his want list and found a couple of 64 topps on his list and suddenly my dog starts barking like crazy. I also heard just about every dog in the neighborhood barking and I knew what that meant from the 1994 quake here in Northridge. An earthquake is about to happen and get out of the house fast. I ran for the door and just as I got outside it hit. It was quite a shaker and something you easterners and mid westerners don't have to experience luckily. ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:55:18 EDT To: Jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Earthquake in Los Angeles-5.8 Hi Linda, I just hope everyone out there is ok, and HOPE you and your husband is doing well as u know we dont get many in NY so i cant relate to what you went through, I just hope you guys are doing well **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 13:35:21 EDT To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: WEB SITE QUESTIONS Hello everyone, I am looking to put together a website of some of the sporting events I've attended does anyone know of a FREE web host that allows pictures for free, and is idiot proof, as I am by far not a web site designer.....and help would be great Rob "The FIREMAN" **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 11:24:18 -0700 (PDT) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: Re: WEB SITE QUESTIONS Hey Rob, Facebook does free photos and so forth and includes a default profile page that looks OK. If we rate how "idiot-proof" a site is by the number of idiots...at least Facebook beats out MySpace. ----- Original Message ---- From: "DaPatriot1@aol.com" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:35:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] WEB SITE QUESTIONS Hello everyone, I am looking to put together a website of some of the sporting events I've attended does anyone know of a FREE web host that allows pictures for free, and is idiot proof, as I am by far not a web site designer.....and help would be great ================= To: Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:01:07 -0400 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Conlon Checklist I am going to tackle the Conlon run of cards from the early 90s. Does anyone have or know the location of a master checklist? They are really interesting cards and appear to be rather inexpensive. Should I include the wantlist on the vintage web page or the UV web page? Mark Holland Vintage Wantlist: http://www.att.net/p/s/community.dll?ep16&groupid169083&ck/ ================= Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:10:11 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Fw: OBCAC: New Member Application for Richard Niessen OBCers -- Maybe I missed it, but has anybody traded with Richard? Take Care, --- On Wed, 7/30/08, 1179911.1254560 <1179911.1254560@vux.bos.netsolhost.com> wrote: > From: 1179911.1254560 <1179911.1254560@vux.bos.netsolhost.com> > Subject: OBCAC: New Member Application for Richard Niessen > To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 1:44 PM > A new member application has been entered on the OBC website > for Richard Niessen. Please review this application as soon > as possible at the following link: > http://www.oldbaseball.com/NewMemberApps/Login.php?action=viewapp > and cast your vote. ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:10:16 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: Re: Fw: OBCAC: New Member Application for Richard Niessen Hi, Geno. I have completed a trade with Richard. He contacted me, let me know which cards from my wantlist he had and asked for an address to send them. I asked what he collected and he sent me a list of 76s he needs, which I sent out after receiving his. He sent about 20 cards (18 1970 Topps, 1 71 and 1 75, all hits, mixed condition). He said he's interested in all the vintage sets. I let him know he needs to have a complete wantlist he can send to others. He seems like a good guy and he said he had also traded with Lynn Miller and Bill Ashton. I don't think I'm veteran enough to be an official anything for him, but I certainly can put in a good word and recommend him for membership. Hope that helps. Mike Rumley-Wells --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Geno Wagner > OBCers -- > Maybe I missed it, but has anybody traded with Richard? > Take Care, > Geno > --- On Wed, 7/30/08, 1179911.1254560 <1179911.1254560@...> wrote: > > From: 1179911.1254560 <1179911.1254560@...> > > Subject: OBCAC: New Member Application for Richard Niessen > > To: illini_grad_90@... > > Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 1:44 PM > > A new member application has been entered on the OBC website > > for Richard Niessen. Please review this application as soon > > as possible at the following link: > > http://www.oldbaseball.com/NewMemberApps/Login.php?actionviewapp > > and cast your vote. ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 01:40:50 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikerw7" Subject: FYI: TRADES WITH KEN PILLION AND RICHARD NIESSEN Hi, Everyone. Both of these guys recently contacted me requesting trades and expressing interest in OBC. I just described my trade with Richard in the previous Rambling message. Ken was great to trade with. He was very friendly in his email and was happy to send cards before he had received anything. He sent me a great bunch of cards, with five 1969 topps and forty-six 1971 including Brock, Killebrew and a couple of pricey high #'s. Most of them were in nice condition, too. Oh, and he was the one who tipped me over from have list to wantlist on my 69s! ;-) We've swapped several emails. He definitely seems like a good potential member to me. He was thrilled to find out that people are still trading baseball cards. That sounds like some people I know... Mike Rumley-Wells ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 12:22:31 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Jeffrey Whitworth Subject: New Member - Jeff Whitworth My sponsor, T.J. Valacak, recommended that I introduce myself to the group.Of course, it was a great idea, so here we go. Hi, my name is Jeff Whitworth and I am 37 years old. I currently reside in Sierra Vista Arizona, a small town in the south of the state outside of Ft.Huachuca and near the famous towns of Tombstone and Bisbee. I am happily married to my wife Stacy and we have two beautiful kids, Madison (5 yrs old)and Nathan (2 yrs old). I am a Chief Warrant Officer 3 and a 17 year veteran of the U.S. Army. I have served around the world and am a veteran of the conflicts in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan, and Iraq. I am currently enjoying a short stateside assignment developing Biometrics capabilities for all the Services. I am taking advantage of this =93free=94 time as a student at the American Military University working towards a Masters degree in Strategic I began collecting baseball and football cards in 1976 and had a short stint of collecting in the late 80s. A couple of years ago I read an article ina magazine, I believe Kiplingers, which mentioned OBC and briefly described the group. I was immediately intrigued, so while on leave back home in Louisville Kentucky I dug out all of my sets from the 70s with the goal to complete them. I immediately realized that I would need a little experience with online trading before I was willing to submit an application to OBC. So, for the last couple of years I have been trading with the terrific groups: Trading Bases, Dugout Traders, and The Bench. Needless to say, by being accepted into OBC I have reached one of my goals. I love old worn cards and the =93character=94 and history they carry. I look forward to meeting each and every one of you and swapping some cardboard. Jeff Whitworth ================= To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 18:01:27 -0400 From: "Bill Malson" Subject: Football week in Canton Most of you know that I live in Canton, Ohio, and this is Hall of Fame Week. Curiously, I am not really a pro football fan anymore - ever since the NFL became the gypsy league with teams moving around (including the Browns) and the ridiculous free agency rules. This year, the enshrinees are Art Monk, Darrell Green, Fred Dean, Emmitt Thomas, Andre Tippett, and Gary Zimmerman. I guess I became really aware of my level of current football ignorance when I realized that I could not clearly identify some of these guys. Anyway, the local newspaper put out nice 8-page inserts on each player, with lengthy articles and photos. If anyone out there is a fan of any of these guys, I'd be happy to send it along (first come, first serve). Bill Malson ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 15:55:18 -0700 (PDT) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Availables A few odds and ends for you. Get your claims in now!! 1960T #50 Al Kaline (this has been stuck in a scrapbook at some point. If you have a good technique for removing stuck down blue cardboard, you might get a fairly decent card out of this one!) 1964P Football #64 Darris McCord (Lions) 1966P Football #76 Wayne Walker (Lions) 1971/72 OPC Hockey #34 Mike Byers (Kings) 1968/69 OPC Hockey # 25 Gary Bergman & #26 Kent Douglas (both Red Wings) Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:30:31 EDT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: attention hockey collectors that are attending national i stopped by booth 937, and they had many old hockey cards. he also said he had the first topps set as well as the first parkhurst set (wasnt this in the 30s?). anyway, may be worth a quick stop. let me know how it goes. **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020) ================= Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 00:56:39 EDT To: OBC-National@yahoogroups.com From: ChicoD1@aol.com Subject: National News Well kids, OBC National is in full swing and here is the latest... Caught up with some of the old-timers (I mean Kent Goto) and his nephew Dustin. We've done the tourist thing and have been having a blast. It's always great to see OBCers. Marshall West, Gary Mandell, Kent, John Leroux, Mac Wubben, Tim Newcomb and first timer TJ Valacak.Now I missed John Stamper. I think he missed the memo...All OBCers checking into the National MUST contact me for official greetings :-) ... Miss a few of the perennial regulars, Steve Rittenberg, Ken Morganti, Big Al, EEK, and others. UPDATE: Swap is always on Sat nite. This year will be no different. As of this email, we will be gathering at Kent's hotel (Extended Stay DELUXE- there are 2 hotels back to back). 1207, East Touhy, Des Plains. About 10 min from the convention center. Touch base with me or Kent about this. I'm not sure if we will be getting any $$ help this year. Dealers have been slow and Kevin Savage really doesn't have a lot of OBC stuff with him. Pizza will be food of fare. Not sure if we will be eating in the lobby area or up in Kents room, then down to swap cards. If I can find something better, this will be subject to change but I doubt it will. Speaking of Dealers: There are a few guys especially on our list that I ask you to visit and if possible support. Greg from Cameo cards supplied us with 2 dealer badges. His partner bailed on him last week, so he has been working his booth alone. He may need some help on Sat keeping an eye on things. I'm asking if you guys can donate about 1/2 hour to hang out with Greg at his table, at least so he can catch a break for a bit. We'll work out scheduling Sat at the show. Handful of OBC dealers to visit: Kurt Koudot (he has donated cards for the swap), Dick Zimmerman (great deals and a helluva nice guy), Bill Henderson (Ken's favorite!), Kevin Savage (he pays for the pizza most years), Roger Neufeldt (has the tough stuff), Larry Kerrigan (another who has donated badges). There are others on Spike's list. Please support these guys as they have supported us whole-heartedly over the years. If you are a rookie and need an introduction, go to your nearest guy wearing an OBC hat and they will be glad to lead you there. Thanks also in order to Marshal, Kent, and TJ for the cards! Nice to not have to search for as much stuff when an OBCer hands you an envelope! Well that is where we are at as of this email. REMEMBER- when you get to the show give me a buzz (I may not always answer right off, you cant hear the phone too well in the show) but I will get back to you. This is very important if I have your dealer badge. I mean the main lobby is nice, but nowhere near as cool as inside the show! **************Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. (http://www.fanhouse.com/fantasyaffair?ncid=aolspr00050000000020)