================= Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 15:56:22 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: 1968 anyone? Hey, just a quick note that we're starting work on 1968 sets over at the OBC Year Project. You're invited to join us if you haven't already. We could use some more of you around. That's the end of my "monthly bothering" of you. ================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 08:25:22 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Wantlist] 68s 177-Koosman........heh heh..... Was it Morganti who took that card along to a show and asked Koosman to sign it? Didn't Jerry say something along the lines of "Are you sure?" From: Ed Schott To: obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, December 1, 2008 4:25:05 PM Subject: [OBC-Wantlist] 68s '68 TOPPS NEED ... 150-Clemente 151 177- Koosman 247 280-Mick 401 471 473 480 483 487 490 500-Frank 510 528-Tigers530-Bird Belt 531 532 ================= Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 20:05:14 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Mike Mroz" Subject: Possible trader? Anyone ever trade with a Gil Herzberg??? I appreciate any input. Mike Mroz ================= To: , Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 17:16:08 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife The girlfriend (Alesia) got me a t202 matty for my birthday...and seemed insecure when I told her about the Mantle that Rob got. She now thinks she needs to out-do the Matty and the Mantle for christmas. What a gal. Oh andthanks to everyone who pointed her in the right direction on the birthday present. Also arriving courtesy of the girlfriend (or more accurately the gf's father who works for the Texas Rangers)...an autographed Josh Hamilton SI cover,along with a letter describing how lucky the Rangers are to have him...oh and the letter is from Nolan Ryan. I've never been much of an autograph hunter, but these items are pretty cool. To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: glenncodere@yahoo.comDate: Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:21:05 -0800Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife So that's two of us with wives who bought them a Mantle card for Xmas! Any more? From: "DaPatriot1@aol.com" To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comSent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 6:35:02 PMSubject: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife Hello all, The wife was looking to buy me a Christmas gift this year and wasn't sure what to get me. So joking around I told her I saw a 1953 Topps Mickey Mantle at the White plains show yesterday. She said Is that what you really want? i said Yes, so she handed me money and said go buy it. I went to my friend Jimmy Cardascia who was selling it, and i took a good look at it, It was slabbed and graded PR-FR 1 i looked it over and the card has no creases but rounded corners, Jimmy said he was going to break it out and sell it w/o the slab, He was asking $400 for the card I asked him his BOTTOM line and he said your a good customer hows $300 so i thought to myself after looking on ebay last few weeks all $300 53 mantles were in a lot worse shape i said Deal. Showed the card to Bob Bannon who agreed it was a good deal. So I can look at it for now, but when the wife comes home it will be gone until Christmas. What a wife huh? Rob "The FIREMAN" Gioia Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Proud to be a PC? Show the world. Download the =93I=92m a PC=94 Messenger themepack hthttp://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/119642558/direct/01/ ================= Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:06:39 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Cards for our Troops update and thanks Well this thing is huge! After only 1 week I already have over 35,000 cards to send overseas to our troops. My biggest problem now is shipping them. I have spoken to the USO and the Air Force and I'm sure we will get it handled, but you all know what a 5000 count box weighs when it's full. And we are up to #8! Todays thanks go out to Thanks to BOB D'ANGELO who started last week by rolling our initiative into his daily Blog for his newspaper and followed up this weekend by sending 7 flat rate USPO boxes with hobby boxes FULL. I am estimating about 12,000. I don't want to open them because they will ship like they are. But amazing! My original goal was 20,000 and we are already almost double that. If this isn't the greatest community of people I don't know what is. Thanks so very much guys, Bob Bannon 112 southridge rd southbury, ct 06488 **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ================= Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 12:18:06 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: 1962 Ford Tigers postcard - Any FOOT interest? I'm not sure if any of you FOOTsies are collecting these, but...... This is the first time I've EVER seen the Cavaretta card up for offer. I love these postcards, but the price is too rich for my blood. Thought I'd bring it to your attention anyway, just in case one (or more!) of you has some Xmas money to burn!! Glasgow, Scotland ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 20:45:15 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 8 year run Hello All, After 8 years I finished the 44 card set made by Dondruss in 1973 called Super Freaks. I was lucky to inquire the seller what #'s were in the lot and after even lucky that by the time I got to the bid it ended with no bids and he still sold it to me. I have #6,18,21,24,32,36,42 with most in ex condition ANy trader out there working on the set as well? Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:15:50 EST To: obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife I may have asked this before, but any chance Alesia has a sister available??? In a message dated 12/1/08 5:16:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, obcmac@hotmail.com writes: > The girlfriend (Alesia) got me a t202 matty for my birthday...and seemed > insecure when I told her about the Mantle that Rob got. She now thinks she > needs to out-do the Matty and the Mantle for christmas. What a gal. Oh and > thanks to everyone who pointed her in the right direction on the birthday > present. > Also arriving courtesy of the girlfriend (or more accurately the gf's father > who works for the Texas Rangers)...an autographed Josh Hamilton SI cover, > along with a letter describing how lucky the Rangers are to have him...oh and > the letter is from Nolan Ryan. I've never been much of an autograph hunter, > but these items are pretty cool. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity& ================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:20:47 EST To: senthi@earthlink.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 8 year run I show these as 1974s and listed as the first series. I only have a few and need all from below EXCEPT #32 & 36. I'll see what I can find from some of your lists. Mike Rich 26020 Radclift Pl Oak Park, MI 48237 In a message dated 12/2/08 8:45:31 PM Eastern Standard Time, senthi@earthlink.net writes: > After 8 years I finished the 44 card set made by Dondruss in 1973 called > Super Freaks. I was lucky to inquire the seller what #'s were in the lot and > after even lucky that by the time I got to the bid it ended with no bids and he > still sold it to me. > Nice > I have #6,18,21,24,32,36,42 with most in ex condition > ANy trader out there working on the set as well? Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity& > ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) ================= Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 03:26:35 -0800 (PST) To: mikesportsfan@aol.com, obcmac@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife Nahh.....Alesia actually traded her sister for the T202 Matty. From: "mikesportsfan@aol.com" To: obcmac@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, December 3, 2008 11:15:50 AM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife I may have asked this before, but any chance Alesia has a sister available??? In a message dated 12/1/08 5:16:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, obcmac@hotmail. com writes: ************ ** Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www. aol.com/? optinnew- dp&icidaolcom40vanity&ncidemlcntaolcom00 The girlfriend (Alesia) got me a t202 matty for my birthday...and seemed insecure when I told her about the Mantle that Rob got. She now thinks sheneeds to out-do the Matty and the Mantle for christmas. What a gal. Oh and thanks to everyone who pointed her in the right direction on the birthday Also arriving courtesy of the girlfriend (or more accurately the gf's father who works for the Texas Rangers)...an autographed Josh Hamilton SI cover,along with a letter describing how lucky the Rangers are to have him...oh and the letter is from Nolan Ryan. I've never been much of an autograph hunter, but these items are pretty cool. ================= To: , Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 13:57:39 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] What a Wife Yeah, but unfortunately she has some taste (unlike her sister?). To: obcmac@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: mikesportsfan@aol.comDate: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 06:15:50 -0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] What a I may have asked this before, but any chance Alesia has a sister available???In a message dated 12/1/08 5:16:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, obcmac@hotmail.com The girlfriend (Alesia) got me a t202 matty for my birthday...and seemed insecure when I told her about the Mantle that Rob got. She now thinks she needs to out-do the Matty and the Mantle for christmas. What a gal. Oh andthanks to everyone who pointed her in the right direction on the birthday present. Also arriving courtesy of the girlfriend (or more accurately the gf's father who works for the Texas Rangers)...an autographed Josh Hamilton SI cover, along with a letter describing how lucky the Rangers are to have him...oh and the letter is from Nolan Ryan. I've never been much of anautograph hunter, but these items are pretty cool.**************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. (http://www.aol.com/?optinnew-dp&icidaolcom40vanity&ncidemlcntaolcom00000002) Suspicious message? There=92s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thu, 04 Dec 2008 01:24:58 -0500 From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Interesting ebay item---Geno...pay attention Geno and gang, Usually don't post items like this but I just thought this was so cool it was hard to resist. When I was a kid and not buying cards (essentially November through February) I used to make model airplanes and ships. This is a vintage piece I have never seen before (and that is saying something). http://cgi.ebay.com/AMT-1-48-Grumman-F9F-Panther-Model-Airplane-Kit-MIB_W0QQitemZ360113215666QQihZ023QQcategoryZ50297QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem ================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 01:02:49 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Glenn Codere Subject: Happy day on ebay.....almost there.....looking ahead!! Early yesterday evening, I received an email from ebay. I had completely forgotten about a bid that I had placed last weekend, and the message told methat I had won. The item in question was the last card in my 1960 birthyear set - #316 Willie McCovey RC. Price? $10.50. I'd been holding out on buying this card for the past year or so, as I could never get one at the price I wanted, about $16-18 including shipping. Well, this one hit the mark and more, as the seller is going to ship directly to me in Scotland for $4, bringing the total cost to less than $15. Woo-hoo!!!!! The 1960 set will be my first completed vintage set for quite some time, the last being the 1972 set in 2004. I'm not celebrating 100% yet though! I still have 3 empty spots in that binder. The other two are place #350, whichwill be occupied by the Mantle card bought for me by Maureen (it should bewinging its way over the Atlantic asI type this). and place #563, the Mantle AS which I won a few weeks back and which (thanks to assists from Mike Rumley-Wells and Bill Ashton, who helped me out with some unforeseen payment and delivery problems) should be with me early in the New Year. Once those last three are neatly tucked away (and I've checked to ensure that the "gremlins" haven't raided that binder), I'll treat myself to a large glass of single malt whisky by way of celebration. So what's next? Well, on the baseball front my Topps sets from the 1960's all have less than 100 cards to go, with the '63 set being closest on 44. Having said that, unless I can come up with a lottery win or an inheritence from some long-lost relative, I can't see me getting close to finishing another set before I hit the big 5 - 0 (that's on Sept 1, 2010). I am, however,only 1 card away from finishing each of the 1970 and 1972 Kellogg's sets and the 1971/72 Topps Hockey set, and just 5 short of the 1971 Topps Football set, so I should have some cause to celebrate in the year to come! Oh. and the 1960 set isn't completely dead yet. I'm probably going to go for the white/grey back mid-seriesvariations, and I'm still looking to upgrade about 20 or so beaters. Considering that almost all the card businessI do is via OBC and ebay, Ithink I've been able to piece together a pretty good collection over the years. In fact,I would imagine that it would be one of the better collections of baseball cards in Britain (that's kind of like saying you have the best collection of bikinis in Siberia, but hey....)! I'm genuinely hopeful that in the years to come I'll be able to make it Stateside for events suchas The National on a more regular basis. Snagging cards in lots of ones and twos off ebay is fine, but actually getting to a show - or relying on thegenerosity and assistance of you guys -is the only way for me to makemajor, rapidinroads into my wantlist. Glasgow, Scotland ================= Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 12:24:44 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Cards for the Troops update and thanks George Moore really tips the scales by sending along over 8000 cards for the troops overseas. This brings our total up over 45,000 cards. That is just amazing. When its over I will take pictures and send along to everyone. Right now my office looks like ............ well, you can't see my office. Thanks, Bob Bannon **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 04:21:24 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! Hello All, You guys just have to check this out - I really don't believe it. Click on the eBay link and check out the "B side" picture. http://cgi.ebay.com/DAVID-GATES-BREAD-MOOSE-DA-SHARKS-75-PUBLICITY-AD_W0QQitemZ150187181177QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116 You now have the ability to turn back the hands of time you to catch a glimpse of "yours truly" when collecting cards was the furthest thing from my mind. Can you guess which one of those "street punks" is me? I'm floored to see such an item on eBay - too much!!! BE WELL!!!! REGARDS -------------------------- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 02:47:06 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Glenn Codere Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! So, Mark, are you going to buy it or do you already have a closet full of them? From: "talbot1@comcast.net" To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 4:21:24 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! Hello All, You guys just have to check this out - I really don't believe it. Click on the eBay link and check out the "B side" picture. http://cgi.ebay. com/DAVID- GATES-BREAD- MOOSE-DA- SHARKS-75- PUBLICITY- AD_W0QQitemZ1501 87181177QQcmdZVi ewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_ 0?_trksid p3286.m20. You nowhave the ability to turn back the hands of time youto catch a glimpse of "yours truly" when collecting cards was the furthest thing from my mind. Can you guess which one of those "street punks" is me? I'm floored tosee such an item on eBay - too much!!! BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------ --------- ----- MARK ================= To: Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:41:37 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: First time in the history of card collecting (warning: message Finally, after almost 8 years working on the set, my 64 Topps Giants set isdown to one card. Unbelievably, that card is not Mickey Mantle or any of the SP's (mays, koufax, etc)... Of course it is a HOF'er...if anyone has an extra #29 Frank Robinson, you will foreever be a last card hero! The 8 year anniversary of the start date is only two weeks away...hopefully will put it way before it turns 8. Thanks in advance! Mac Wubben Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_speed_122008 ================= To: , Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:53:47 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] First time in the history of card collecting Huge Thanks in advance Bob! Great to finish that one off. > Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:48:32 -0500> From: obcbobd@gmail.com> To: obcmac@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] First time in the history of card collecting (warning: message contains shameless grovelling)> > Mac> > Gotya covered> > Bob> > On 12/5/08, Mac Wubben wrote:> >> > Finally, after almost 8 years working on the set, my 64 Topps Giants set is> > down to one card. Unbelievably, that card is not Mickey Mantle or any of> > the SP's (mays, koufax, etc)... Of course it is a HOF'er...if anyone has an> > extra #29 Frank Robinson, you will foreever be a last card hero! The 8 year> > anniversary of the start date is only two weeks away...hopefully will put it> > way before it turns 8.> >> > Thanks in advance!> >> >Mac Wubben> >> >> > _________________________________________________________________> > Send e-mail faster without improving your typing skills.> > http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_spee= d_122008> > -- > Sent from my mobile device Suspicious message? There=92s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broad2_122008 ================= Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:56:35 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: MAJOR charity project - please read UV Alert. This is about a set from this year. But it's for a good cause. Please forgive. There are some people working with the "card community at large" to build a 2008 Upper Deck Yankee Stadium Legacy set and auction it off for charity. The proceeds will go to the Jimmy V Foundation for cancer research. Check out the website here: http://www.thebenchtrading.com/thebench/yankeestadiumset.html I don't have any of these cards as I don't collect Upper Deck stuff. But they are seeded 1 card in every 4 packs of ALL 2008 Upper Deck products. The set is OVER 6,000 CARDS - it chronicles every single game at Yankee Stadium - so it will truly take the whole community to get it built. I hope maybe some of us can help out. It will be exciting to see the progress... They have contacted Upper Deck, Beckett, Tuff Stuff, ESPN, Sports Illustrated, the Yankees and MLB for publicity... so I figured I would add the fine community of OBC to that list!!! Continue to spread the word to the other collecting groups if you think they may be willing to help. ================= Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 00:34:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Massimo" Subject: re: First time in the history of card collecting (warning: message contains sha I am finding that the Mantle is usually not the last card I need because when I get down to 3 to 5 cards to complete a set, I resign myself to the fact that I have to pay up to get the Mantle, while I am usually trying to hold out for some bargain for another card. ================= Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2008 01:21:41 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Joe Isaac" Subject: Re: You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! My guess is the "Snake" is at the back, far right. Nice shades and sideburns. David Gates from Bread on the A side? - I think they got this backwards. There is a local 60's and 70's station and I recently heard some music from Bread, I gonna be glued to this station to hear something from Moose and Da Sharks!!!! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere > So, Mark, are you going to buy it or do you already have a closet full of them? > Glenn > ________________________________ > From: "talbot1@..." > To: vct@...; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 4:21:24 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! > Hello All, > You guys just have to check this out - I really don't believe it. Click on the eBay link and check out the "B side" picture. > http://cgi.ebay. com/DAVID- GATES-BREAD- MOOSE-DA- SHARKS-75- PUBLICITY- AD_W0QQitemZ1501 87181177QQcmdZVi ewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_ 0?_trksid p3286.m20. l1116 > You nowhave the ability to turn back the hands of time youto catch a glimpse of "yours truly" when collecting cards was the furthest thing from my mind. Can you guess which one of those "street punks" is me? I'm floored tosee such an item on eBay - too much!!! BE WELL!!!! > REGARDS ------------ --------- ----- MARK ================= Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 20:56:48 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Wite3@aol.com From: Geno Wagner Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting ebay item---Geno...pay attention Joshua -- I always sucked at models - I had no patience for them. It was G.I. Joe in my house! Take Care, --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Wite3@aol.com wrote: From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting ebay item---Geno...pay attention To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 12:24 AM Geno and gang, Usually don't post items like this but I just thought this was so cool it was hard to resist. When I was a kid and not buying cards (essentially November through February) I used to make model airplanes and ships. This is a vintage piece I have never seen before (and that is saying something). http://cgi.ebay. com/AMT-1- 48-Grumman- F9F-Panther- Model-Airplane- Kit-MIB_W0QQitem Z360113215666QQi hZ023QQcategoryZ 50297QQssPageNam eZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcm Trim your tree and your spending! Get the AOL Holiday Shopping Toolbar for money saving offers and gift ideas. ================= To: "Joe Isaac" , Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 01:31:18 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! Wait a minute. This cannot be the same David Gates of "Bread" fame. I thought that Mr. Gates was from Oklahoma, and he later moved to Cali to becomea star, never visiting Michigan. ??? However, yes, Mark, I concur with Glenn, and I'm curious how many, if any, of these photo's that you too, have stashed away in the closet??? Collector you are, I'm betting at least one, if not a few dozen, no ??? I am certain I would totally fail in guessing which dude in the photo is the "Snake." I am unable to extrapolate any similarities in that past snake from thecurrent snake. Snakes are snakes, and my eyes are so old, am totally unable to decipher which young snake, might be the current, old snake. So, I am curious. Seriously??? Did you perform with THE David Gates of Bread fame, or is this a different Mr. Gates? Based on my research, this must be a different person, correct? Come on, dude, fess up!!! Were you all friends from the same Detroit/suburb/or Eastpointe high schoolor some where near there? After reading your recent posting about your past endeavors, and now getting to see this, it makes me wonder where in the hey I was during all of this??? I would have begged to get an audition with your outfit. I was barely just "up the street" in Rochester at the same time, and my "chops" awarded me straight "ones" all through high school. Icould have added some swingin' brass licks to your sound, having my choiceto sit first chair with the trumpet, sax, French horn, baritone, and the bossy, brassy, dominate, marching band, flugelhorn, whenever I wanted. (Teacher's pet?) I still pull out those mouth pieces and "buzz around" now andthen, but mostly just to annoy me and mine, when I need attention or revenge. Alas friends, for those of you who have made it all the way done here, and if you haven't already done so yet; go ahead and "goggle" up this Moose andthe Sharks gang, and you might learn even more than Mark has volunteered to offer. Perhaps not with Mark, but they still advertise themselves as an outfit, ready to perform for you at your next wedding. Oh wait. Do you mean to tell me that card collectors are more stable and don't plan a "next wedding." I guess I missed that boat, but it really IS, sweet to know that I am among a bunch of stable friends, and just as soon as I am able to recover from the recent auto accident and the jacked up lifeissues I have been dealing with, I promises I'll catch up with everyone ----- Original Message ----- From: Joe Isaac To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 6:21 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! My guess is the "Snake" is at the back, far right. Nice shades and sideburns. David Gates from Bread on the A side? - I think they got this backwards. There is a local 60's and 70's station and I recently heard some music from Bread, I gonna be glued to this station to hear something from Moose and Da Sharks!!!! --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Glenn Codere > So, Mark, are you going to buy it or do you already have a closet full of them? > Glenn > ________________________________ > From: "talbot1@..." > To: vct@...; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, December 5, 2008 4:21:24 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] You find the darnedest things on eBay!!! > Hello All, > You guys just have to check this out - I really don't believe it. Click on the eBay link and check out the "B side" picture. > http://cgi.ebay. com/DAVID- GATES-BREAD- MOOSE-DA- SHARKS-75- PUBLICITY- AD_W0QQitemZ1501 87181177QQcmdZVi ewItemQQptZLH_ DefaultDomain_ 0?_trksid p3286.m20. l1116 > You now have the ability to turn back the hands of time you to catch a glimpse of "yours truly" when collecting cards was the furthest thing from my mind. Can you guess which one of those "street punks" is me? I'm floored to see such an item on eBay - too much!!! BE WELL!!!! > REGARDS ------------ --------- ----- MARK ================= To: Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 12:32:42 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: R304s Al Demaree Die Cuts Question Has anyone out there in OBCland attempted to pickup any of these cards over the years? I'm interested in finding out something regarding the scarcity, price and demand. The only time I've seen these cards was viewing Burdick's collection at the Met and he only had 5 or 6 of the set of 167?+. Lionel Carter didn't have any. They were issued by Dietz Gum of Chicago in the 1930s and commons are listed at $500 in the SCD guide. George Vrechek ================= Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 13:44:44 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: Graded cards...beware OBCers -- Have you guys seen the thread over on N54 about graded cards turning up that have the same PSA number, but are obviously not the same card? People are getting pretty good at conterfeiting the plastic slabs and "stealing" numbers off of Ebay to put on the PSA flips. Here's the link: http://www.network54.com/Forum/579392/thread/1228269653/last-1228589850/1952+Topps+Jackie+on+eBay I bet all those folks who spent thousands of dollars on PSA 9 or 10 commons/stars from recent sets to improve their registry are feeling a bit squimish right now... Take Care, ================= Date: Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:58:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "distelrath66" Subject: Collecting "gene" or otherwise... I've been laying here thinking about this: Is the collecting behavior hereditary, or do we somehow acquire it during adolescense? In my immediate family, my mother and father collect nothing, nor does my sister. All four of my grandparents collect(ed) nothing either. ONE of my 5 aunts/uncles is as die-hard of a collector as I am. His gig is collecting Hotwheels cars, which are prominently displayed on the walls of his entire house. I collect cards (of course), as well as militaria from the revolutionary war on up to the Iraq war. I also collect vinyl LPs and magazines/newspapers of historical significance. Now, I know that psychologists have isolated a disease known as the "Hoard & clutter" syndrome. Perhaps we all have a mild case of this? (albeit our collections aren't cluttered). Who's to tell? I collect merely because I enjoy it, but why do I enjoy it? Any input or ideas would be greatly appreciated. I'm certain that many of you have your own ideas about this. I'd be glad to read them! Ryan Distelrath ================= Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 16:46:55 EST To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: cards for the troops update and thanks Thanks out to MARK TALBOT for about 350 cards for the troops. Marks entry gets us up over 50,000 cards. Thanks Mark, BB **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, "Ramblings" , obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:08:17 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Need (3) cards - 1980 Topps Hello All, This is embarrassing to ask as I have sent a number of these cards out over the years and I still have a very full 1980 Topps dupe box but I came across a binder that has the set minus these 3 cards and I no longer have them in my dupe box. So I make a plea for the following: 1980 Topps Baseball (any condition) 450 - Brett, 482 - Henderson and 580 - Ryan. Now I realize these ARE the set and I know I had a dozen Henderson cards at one time but I need one now - so is there any help out there? Thanks for you consideration - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------------------ MARK ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, "Ramblings" , obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 01:47:10 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Vct] Need (3) cards - 1980 Topps I only need the 1980 Topps #450 - BRETT.............any heroes???? REGARDS --------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: talbot1@comcast.net Hello All, This is embarrassing to ask as I have sent a number of these cards out over the years and I still have a very full 1980 Topps dupe box but I came across a binder that has the set minus these 3 cards and I no longer have them in my dupe box. So I make a plea for the following: 1980 Topps Baseball (any condition) 450 - Brett, 482 - Henderson and 580 - Ryan. Now I realize these ARE the set and I know I had a dozen Henderson cards at one time but I need one now - so is there any help out there? Thanks for you consideration - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------------------ MARK ================= To: "obc rambling" , Date: Sun, 7 Dec 2008 22:13:14 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: Jeff Fonce reference Recieved an email form him. ANyone had dealing with him? ================= To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, "Ramblings" , obc-wantlist@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 04:48:17 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [Vct] Need (3) cards - 1980 Topps Within 45 minutes you guys knocked off this set for me - I'm humbled!!! BE WELL!!! REGARDS ---------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: talbot1@comcast.net Hello All, This is embarrassing to ask as I have sent a number of these cards out over the years and I still have a very full 1980 Topps dupe box but I came across a binder that has the set minus these 3 cards and I no longer have them in my dupe box. So I make a plea for the following: 1980 Topps Baseball (any condition) 450 - Brett, 482 - Henderson and 580 - Ryan. Now I realize these ARE the set and I know I had a dozen Henderson cards at one time but I need one now - so is there any help out there? Thanks for you consideration - BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ------------------------------ MARK ================= Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:25:40 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jd3681" Subject: offer--1972 topps football #40--roman Gabriel got about 4 or 5 of these babies in different conditions in a different lot i received. he was good but not good enough for that many. anyone need one? send address with request. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBC Ramblings) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:35:48 +0000 From: jrhatchjr@comcast.net Subject: As the Grateful Dead would say... What a long, strange trip it's been... In today's mail I found a box with an ebay win inside. The single card was a 1911 T212 Obak of Roy Brashear, a utility player who played a little more than one full season in the majors. OK, so why is this significant you ask? Perhaps you're thinking: sure, Obaks are cool but what's the big deal about a guy who had the equivalent of a Thermos full of coffee in the bigs? Well, Mr. Brashear's 1911 Obak was the last card needed to complete a set I have been working on since around 1990 or so: the complete 426-card base T212 set. It all started with my acquisition of a 1911 Monte Pfyl. I didn't know who Monte Pfyl was at the time so I used his card, and subsequent examples, as a learning experience. I found out Monte had a sip of coffee totalling one game for the 1907 Giants and was banned from playing in the majors for a time for playing in a "banned" league. Because Obaks depict PCL teams, over half of the players had Major League experience before or after their appearance in the set. This, plus the fact they are very nice looking cards to begin with, set the hook for my quest to obtain a complete set many years ago. For those who don't know, Obaks were issued over three years: the most difficult 1909 series of 76 cards plus the 1910 and 1911 series of 175 each (although there are several variations found on the 1910 series). Keys to the set include two Black-Sox-to-be cards of Arnold "Chick" Gandil (1909) and George "Buck" Weaver (1911). Most recent price guides claim that Buck is more expensive that Chick but I was only too happy several years ago to trade my extra Buck Weaver for a Chick Gandil...and would do it again today in a heartbeat if needed. Other more popular players include early ironman Roger Peckinpaugh (1911) and George "Duffy" Lewis (1909) who was later part of Boston's "Million Dollar Outfield" along with Harry Hooper and Tris Speaker. Also a popular card is that of "Ten Million", presumably for the name only. I learned a lot about the PCL and it's players along the way. Now that I'm done with the set, I think the biggest thing I've learned is not to collect such a large set again :-) Anyhow, just wanted to pass along some good news in my card collection. More good news from Na Hampsha should follow sometime within the next week or two: the return of my OBC wantlist! Happy Collecting! ================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 18:54:43 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Cards for our troops update and thanks Not sure if they got stuck in the mail or if his wife just liked the idea of clearing out so much that she pushed him to send more but about 3000 MORE cards arrived from BOB D"ANGELO today and 800 or so from MARSHALL WEST. These cards get us awfully close to 60,000 cards! Our original goal was 20,000. Thanks guys, Bob **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) ================= Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2008 19:08:57 EST To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Cards for our Troops request to STOP!! I just had to ask a HOF trader to not send cards. We are going to have over 60,000 cards to send to the troops which is just amazing. When it is over I will publish the specific numbers and thanks to the participants. As I have said before this is just another example of how wonderful this community is. Generous and kind. I am proud to be in its number. BUT, we have enough. I am already worried about shipping. I initially was led to believe that I would get assistance from the Air force but find that they no longer do that. I have a gentleman at the USO that is trying to help but I am not sure. At a minimum I will ship them myself and then perhaps pass the hat for help with that expense to those that were unable to send cards. So, if you want to send cards but haven't, please hold off for now. Once we have a rhythm with this thing maybe we can do it again next year with more Thanks, Bob Bannon **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2008 20:21:26 -0500 From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re:As the Grateful Dead would say... Completing the Obak run is absolutely amazing, congratulations! ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 03:47:03 -0800 (PST) To: OBC Ramblings From: Geno Wagner Subject: New set alert!! OBCers -- I've decided to add another set to my T202 and T205 list. I was pretty happy with those two, but I miss the sound of the mailbox door! So without further ado, I've put the 1952 Topps set on my list. If you have any to spare, feel free to send them to the Florida Panhandle! Take Care, ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:06:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Future OBCers Hey Gang, My wife and I are happy to announce that we are expecting twins. The due date is set for June 13th. We expect the twins to arrive before that, as my son was born 5 weeks early. He will be two when the twins are born. Needless to say, we will be a tad bit busier in the coming months. There is a chance, maybe a small chance, that I will have to give up a few minutes of cardboard here and there. My wife is doing well, a little nausea, but battling through it. She is a tough one. Anyway, since we shared the news with our immediate families, I thought I would let my collecting family know. I hope everyone has a great ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:23:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "uthminsta1" Subject: NEED SOME WISDOM: a 1912 C46 card I want is on eBay I've been looking for this card for at least 3 years, and I don't recall it ever coming up on eBay until this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item110324526803 Never having bid on these cards before, I don't know how much I may have to bid in order to get it. Does anyone have a good handle on how much C46 cards in this shape are worth? This is number 1 on my top ten list, and I am very excited! I am also looking to get ALL of Lew Brockett's cards (he only has 6), and so far I have gotten a Helmar stamp and a Colgan's chip. I gave them to my grandfather, who is 80 years old, with the one condition that I am the next owner after him. I'd love to finish this small collection soon and have them framed together for him. The 6 cards: 1. 1912 C46 Imperial Tobacco, which has now become available to me for the first time. Please help! 2. 1911 T5 Pinkerton, which I've never seen. These look beautiful though. Anyone know much about this one? 3. 1911 T332 Helmar Stamp, which I have. 4,5,6. I'm guessing these 3 are pretty much the same: 1909-1911 E254 Colgan's Chips, 1912 E270 Colgan's Red Borders, 1913 Colgan's Tin Tops. If anyone knows more about the differences between them, please let me know. ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 11:30:48 EST To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] NEED SOME WISDOM: a 1912 C46 card I want is on eBay C46's have lately been climbing. I remember being able to buy them for between $5 and $10 in vg just a few years ago. I know there are several people working on a set of these as well so you might be in for a fight. I expect this card to realistically go for about $40 but it might spike towards the end. Pinkertons are fairly tough and I have never seen a Brockett. The differences on the Colgans are interesting. The regular Colgan's chips cards are easier to find. The Tin-Tops look very much like the regular Colgans but the backs have an add that if you send in tin tops (the tops of the gum container) you can get a large photo of the "Pennant Winning Team." This photo has never been identified though. Colgans red borders are tough as well and are distinguished by a red border around the front of the card. There are a few tin tops and red borders on ebay right now for the first time in over a few years. If you want to know more about Colgans, contact Rhett Yeakley on the Net54 board. He knows a ton and might even have a few to spare. Hope this helps, In a message dated 12/11/2008 8:23:58 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, uthminsta@hotmail.com writes: I've been looking for this card for at least 3 years, and I don't recall it ever coming up on eBay until this one. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=110324526803 Never having bid on these cards before, I don't know how much I may have to bid in order to get it. Does anyone have a good handle on how much C46 cards in this shape are worth? This is number 1 on my top ten list, and I am very excited! I am also looking to get ALL of Lew Brockett's cards (he only has 6), and so far I have gotten a Helmar stamp and a Colgan's chip. I gave them to my grandfather, who is 80 years old, with the one condition that I am the next owner after him. I'd love to finish this small collection soon and have them framed together for him. The 6 cards: 1. 1912 C46 Imperial Tobacco, which has now become available to me for the first time. Please help! 2. 1911 T5 Pinkerton, which I've never seen. These look beautiful though. Anyone know much about this one? 3. 1911 T332 Helmar Stamp, which I have. 4,5,6. I'm guessing these 3 are pretty much the same: 1909-1911 E254 Colgan's Chips, 1912 E270 Colgan's Red Borders, 1913 Colgan's Tin Tops. If anyone knows more about the differences between them, please let me know. OBC is governed by Rules of Conduct approved by the OBC Advisory Committee. The Rules of Conduct are available from a link on the home page or directly at www.oldbaseball.com/obcroc.htmlYahoo! Groups Links **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. Try it now. (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp&icid=aolcom40vanity&ncid=emlcntaolcom00000010) ================= Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:16:07 -0500 To: OBC Ramblings From: Don Rice Subject: Seeking Web Page Help Folks....
Looking for some help, any help, with setting up my web page back up and functioning. For years I have used Microsoft Publisher to create my web page, and have never had any trouble uploading it to my Road Runner home page. Well, Road Runner recently changed their hosting services, and my web address has changed. Okay, so on November 7th I migrated my web page to the new site. No apparent problem. But since the old site was still functioning, I continued to update it regularly. Well, today Road Runner disabled the old site. Since the new site still had my Nov 7 want lists, I tried to update it in the same manner I always updated the old one. HOWEVER, it will not update. So I downloaded and tried using the Microsoft Publishing Wizard, and I get a message saying "the web site you have specified does not appear to be FrontPage web enable, so you cannot upload your files using the FrontPage enabled protocol". Huh? Any suggestions? Do I need to try a different ftp program (preferably free!)?
Old web site: http://home.nycap.rr.com/dkrice    (no longer functioning)
New web site: http://home.roadrunner.com/~dkrice/ (functioning, but circa Nov 7, and I can't update it!)
Page composed with Microsoft Publisher 2000
Windows XP
So for now, I have no accessible web page.
Thanks for any suggestions! Don
--
Don Rice
3 Rockefeller Blvd.
Rensselaer, NY 12144

dkrice@nycap.rr.com
On-line WL: http://home.nycap.rr.com/dkrice/
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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 12:01:43 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan" 
Subject: FOOT Holiday Happenings

The Detroit area is lucky to be a hotbed for sports.  With pro teams
in all the major sports and a couple of top college programs in UM &
MSU, there always seems to be something going on for those of us
interested.  Between Christmas and New Year's, there is the Motor
City Bowl on December 26, featuring Mark Talbot's alma mater, Central
Michigan.  Mark and I went 2 years ago and sat in the CMU student
section.  We had a great time, although as Mark pointed out, we had
to stand for much of the game (students tend not to sit, so to see
the game you also have to stand).  Then on the 27th and 28th, there
is the GLI (Great Lakes (Hockey) Invitational.  This is an annual
college hockey tournament of 4 college teams, featuing Michigan,
Michigan State, Michigan Tech and usually a top team from the east.
There are doubleheaders both days.  Normally Michigan and Michigan
State are highly ranked.  They are both down this year, even though
Michigan did knock off #1 Minnesota a couple of weeks ago.  In
addition we have a Gibraltar showin Mt. Clemens that weekend.
Cutthroat Larry Kerrigan is coming to town for that show.  I am not
sure I will take in EVERYTHING, but I may try.  Having spoken to Mark
Talbot, Ron Perry and Earl Kilborne, folks are interested in
attending at least 1 if not multiple events.  Please let us know if
you are interested in joining us, and if so, for which event(s).  Ron
is probably going to spend the nite here on Friday nite (having
travelled much this year, he is up to date on his shots, so he thinks
it is safe for him), so he can attend the Motor City Bowl and
Saturday GLI, while checking out the card show.
Mike Rich

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:46:50 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "distelrath66" 
Subject: I'm starting a new HTML wantlist & am looking for feedback

I decided to do away with the old fashioned wantlist and update to a
"flashier" version.  Mind you... it is a work in progress and I have
to go back and knock off the cards that I already have.  As of right
now I have only worked on the "Topps" section, so the other links will
not work (Bowman, Prewar/etc.).  I'm definetly open for suggestions,
so fire away!  Here's my list as it stands right now:

http://ryanswants.freewebspace.com/

Thanks for checking it out!
Ryan Distelrath

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To: ,
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 09:15:57 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT Holiday Happenings

Sheesh!  Maybe I should move to Detroit.  In Seattle we have the WashingtonHuskies
who went 0-12 for the football season, most of it with a lame-duckcoach.
The other "major college" football team, the Washington State Cougars
went 2-11 and set an all time season record for most points allowed (570)
by a major college program.  On the "pro" side, we have the four time defending
conference champions, the Seattle Seahawks, sitting at 2-11 and theSeattle
Mariners who were the first baseball team to have a payroll over 100
million dollars and lose over 100 games.  Of course, we always have the Seattle
Supersonics -- no, no wait, they moved to Oklahoma. . .

-Dave Fallen

----- Original Message -----
From: mikesportsfan
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, December 12, 2008 4:01 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FOOT Holiday Happenings

The Detroit area is lucky to be a hotbed for sports. With pro teams
in all the major sports and a couple of top college programs in UM &
MSU, there always seems to be something going on for those of us
interested. Between Christmas and New Year's, there is the Motor
City Bowl on December 26, featuring Mark Talbot's alma mater, Central
Michigan. Mark and I went 2 years ago and sat in the CMU student
section. We had a great time, although as Mark pointed out, we had
to stand for much of the game (students tend not to sit, so to see
the game you also have to stand). Then on the 27th and 28th, there
is the GLI (Great Lakes (Hockey) Invitational. This is an annual
college hockey tournament of 4 college teams, featuing Michigan,
Michigan State, Michigan Tech and usually a top team from the east.
There are doubleheaders both days. Normally Michigan and Michigan
State are highly ranked. They are both down this year, even though
Michigan did knock off #1 Minnesota a couple of weeks ago. In
addition we have a Gibraltar showin Mt. Clemens that weekend.
Cutthroat Larry Kerrigan is coming to town for that show. I am not
sure I will take in EVERYTHING, but I may try. Having spoken to Mark
Talbot, Ron Perry and Earl Kilborne, folks are interested in
attending at least 1 if not multiple events. Please let us know if
you are interested in joining us, and if so, for which event(s). Ron
is probably going to spend the nite here on Friday nite (having
travelled much this year, he is up to date on his shots, so he thinks
it is safe for him), so he can attend the Motor City Bowl and
Saturday GLI, while checking out the card show.
Mike Rich

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Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:05:30 -0600
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Yaz 
Subject: Tipton

For years I have had a link to a photo of a Tipton on my page. Or so I
thought. I hadn't checked it for quite some time and when I discovered
something missing on another page, I decided to check all of them. The
Tipton page was there but no photo. I think I fixed it now, so anyone
that hasn't seen it or saw a blank box there when they tried to see it
can look at it now. It's not in the league with the Tipton-Mints shown
at the OBC page but it's my personal favorite 'cause it's mine!

Greg (yaz)

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 12:11:34 EST
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Cards for the Troops final recap

Dear fellow Cardboardians,

About a month ago I sent out an idea to send 10 to 20,000 cards to the
troops overseas. Well, 27 people sent or brought over more than 65,000 cards.  All
4 of these trading groups were well represented with generosity. And, while  I
encouraged people to send their "junk" I saw plenty of really nice cards.
There was some vintage and tons of HOFers, old and new. I would say that in the
end the mix was:
35% Football
25% Baseball
25% Basketball
10% Hockey
and the remaining 5% assorted stuff including many Gulf War cards, Soccer,
many entertainment cards etc.

I have kept these announcements grouped to these four groups because I
believe it was a project of the collecting community. The generosity was
overwhelming. Keep in mind that sending a box of cards by itself was very kind  but
that it also cost people $8 to $20 just to do so. The flat rate boxes that I
have sent are $9.30 each (that is a heck of a deal considering each box  weighs
about 20 lbs) so the total to ship them overseas will be $232.50 and  about
$400 was spent by those that sent cards which I would like to reimburse.  Many
people said that they wanted to donate cards but many only collect vintage
and/or already donate their extra stuff to local kids and charities.

Many of those people have asked me if they could contribute to  the mailing
expense. If you would like to do that you can send me a check or  make a
payment right to Paypal. My Paypal address is my email _biggies@aol_
(mailto:biggies@aol)  and my mailing address is

112 southridge rd
southbury, ct 06488

The cards have all been shipped in USPS flat rate boxes holding about 2700
each. I have sent a total of 25 boxes to 4 locations. Each location also
received a box of collecting materials. Sleeves and small plastic boxes and a  few
400 cardboard boxes which was great because I ended up with very little in
extra materials and in addition to clearing out some cards myself I also got rid
of some surplus material that had really added up over the years. (To that I
will have some 5000 and 3200 count card flats left over if anyone wants to
claim them.) (Frank Salerno first, since 1/2 of them are his)
I also included a letter from us that explains who we are and encourages
anyone interested to let us know if they have further interests in sets, teams
or players and that I will pass that interest along to traders and try and find
more cards for them. We will see if anyone responds. I am guessing yes.

The cards were sent to:
A woman who is the niece of my office manager and works at a Chopper base  in
Bagram Afghanistan,

A small Infantry Installation in Northern Iraq ( Son of one of the
technicians where I work),

David Jakubonis - Son of one of our collector/traders, at a medial
Detachment in Iraq

and to a LT/Pilot on the Aircraft Carrier Roosevelt who was referred by
collector/trader Donny Muth.

You can only send items to troops if you have a name and send them directly
to that person, so each of these people will be charged with making the cards
available to anyone that is interested.

Here is a list of those who contributed in the order that I received  them:

Jon Wilson
Jim Jakubonis
Dave Keller
Bob Saxton
Frank Salerno - Distinguished as our top contributor
Bob D'Angelo - Also a huge contribution of 13,000+ cards
Jimi Thayer
Chas Yeiter
Tim Stransky
Spike Glidden
Bob Bard
Carl Kogut
Tim Morales
Bob Brown
Jim Craig
George Moore
Charles Graves
Mike Mackie
Mark Talbot
Bob D'Angelo - AGAIN!!
Marshall West
Randy Wilberg
Griffin Cole
Michael Garron
Mike Fry
I also received about 5000 cards from 2 different dealers.

Well, that is it. I have many photos of the process which I am going to  post
to the group server next week. I really want to thank everyone again. If
when this is all done it is perceived to be a success I would suggest we do it
again next year with a lot more time on our side and we can send to different
bases around the world.

Thanks,  Bob Bannon
**************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and
favorite sites in one place.  Try it now.
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To: 
Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 13:31:31 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: Football and Hockey

Anyone working on 73-74 FB or 74-5 Hockey let me know, I should be able to
hit yours lists

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Date: Sat, 13 Dec 2008 23:03:35 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sean McGowan 
Subject: my favorite Topps website

For those of you who have joined us since last year, and those
of you who wait on the edge of your seats for the announcement
each year... I have picked my "coolest" card for 2008.  There are
also 17 other cards scanned and added to the site, so, check
out the coolest topps card from each year 1951-2008, according
to me!

http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/cooltopps/front.htm

Go OBC!

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Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2008 09:02:48 -0500
To: OBC Ramblings 
From: Don Rice 
Subject: New web page address



Folks....  After struggling with my "new"
Road Runner web page and failing to be able to properly load my web
based WL, I bit the bullet and migrated to an independent free web
hosting site.
I've updated my info on the OBC directory page, but for any of you who
may have
bookmarked my old site, here's the new address of my WL (new
address, same old WL!!):

http://www12.asphost4free.com/dkrice/

Thanks! Whew, what an ordeal. I tested everything and it seems in good
working order, but I would appreciate any feedback if anyone runs into
dead links, etc. Thanks, DR


--
Don Rice
3 Rockefeller Blvd.
Rensselaer, NY 12144

dkrice@nycap.rr.com
On-line WL: http://www12.asphost4free.com/dkrice/
==============================================

=================

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:14:42 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "obc_spike" 
Subject: The vicissitudes of Milt Pappas?

Hi all,

In researching the 1960 Bazooka #5 entry for my type blog today, I
found that Wikipedia recounts a number of career episodes for Milt
Pappas, most of which involve problems with the local fans or
teammates. To be honest, he comes across as a little bitter, but
perhaps the writer cherry-picked a few negative examples from an
otherwise excellent career with over 200 wins (!). Being a 70s child,
I wonder how balanced this presentation is.

What did those of you who watched him pitch think? Any Oriole / Cincy
/ Cubs fans want to weigh in on his time in their uniform?

=================

To: "obc_spike" 
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 17:33:47 -0600
From: "Tim Newcomb" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The vicissitudes of Milt Pappas?

Hi Spike,

I saw Milt give a talk at a conference on baseball and literature a few years
ago-- he was, shall we say, salty and a bit cynical, but not really bitter.
He recounted some career anecdotes in much the way the wiki entry presents
them, including the lost perfect game, although he didn't mention Froemming's
supposed smirk.  My impression was of someone who had learned earlyon
to see life as a battle, had lived that way the best way he could, and was
both proud of his accomplishments and a little angry at life.  I didn'tknow
about the death of his wife, which would be enough to do a number on anyone's

I was rereading Ball Four this summer, an incredibly entertaining book, andwas
struck that Bouton's portrayals of many players of that generation, including
himself, have this same quality of embattlement.  Most of the guys of
this period didn't have the much cushier route to the majors with big-time
college programs and signing bonuses that players have since the 70s, and
they fought constantly with the club brass, often over seemingly tiny amounts
of money.  I'm sure in many cases this worldview began before they hitthe
majors, and has lingered throughout their lives.

From: obc_spike
Sent: Monday, December 15, 2008 5:14 PM
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The vicissitudes of Milt Pappas?

Hi all,

In researching the 1960 Bazooka #5 entry for my type blog today, I
found that Wikipedia recounts a number of career episodes for Milt
Pappas, most of which involve problems with the local fans or
teammates. To be honest, he comes across as a little bitter, but
perhaps the writer cherry-picked a few negative examples from an
otherwise excellent career with over 200 wins (!). Being a 70s child,
I wonder how balanced this presentation is.

What did those of you who watched him pitch think? Any Oriole / Cincy
/ Cubs fans want to weigh in on his time in their uniform?

=================

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 18:48:08 EST
To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The vicissitudes of Milt Pappas?

pappas makes frequent appearances on sports talk radio in chicago, and if
there is such a thing as cheerful bitter, he is it.  you cant listen to him  for
more than 3 minutes without hearing about how he was screwed out of a
perfect game.

gale sayers is more of the bitter type.  not willie mays bitter, but  clearly
not happy that walter payton kind of eclipsed many memories of how great
sayers really was, and how his career was cut short by too many injuries.

of course, no one will ever top willie mays for the Bitterness Hall of  Fame

In a message dated 12/15/2008 5:15:07 PM Central Standard Time,
obc_spike@yahoo.com writes:

Hi all,

In researching the 1960 Bazooka #5 entry for my  type  blog today, I
found that Wikipedia recounts a number of career  episodes for Milt
Pappas, most of which involve problems with the local  fans or
teammates. To be honest, he comes across as a little bitter,  but
perhaps the writer cherry-picked a few negative examples from  an
otherwise excellent career with over 200 wins (!). Being a 70s  child,
I wonder how balanced this presentation is.

What did those of  you who watched him pitch think? Any Oriole / Cincy
/ Cubs fans want to  weigh in on his time in their uniform?

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=================

Date: Mon, 15 Dec 2008 20:31:00 EST
To: obc_spike@yahoo.com
From: larrygers@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The vicissitudes of Milt Pappas?

Ah, Milt Pappas.
You guys just have to keep bringing that name up.
Milty was only the other half of the worst trade in Redleg history.
The stupid Red's ownership felt Frank Robinson was too old to  contribute
so off he went to Baltimore. Robbie not only led the O's to  championships
but also
won the AL triple crown. Milt couldn't live up to the pressure in Cincy for
a Redleg hero & a boyhood favorite. Hey maybe I am the one that's  bitter:-)?

Speaking of the low salaries in the 70's, The Reds let Pete Rose go to
Philly because
$300,000 was too high of a salary. Rose only helped Philly win the  WS.  I've
Philly Mike Schmidt say Rose was the missing catalyst that sparked the  team
to glory.

Bring back the Big Red Machine.
Can anyone believe the my Cincy Bungles won another game? I  can't.
And I must gloat while my team is hot, go XU beat Duke. Gotta luv those

In a message dated 12/15/2008 6:15:11 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
obc_spike@yahoo.com writes:

Hi all,

In researching the 1960 Bazooka #5 entry for my  type  blog today, I
found that Wikipedia recounts a number of career  episodes for Milt
Pappas, most of which involve problems with the local  fans or
teammates. To be honest, he comes across as a little bitter,  but
perhaps the writer cherry-picked a few negative examples from  an
otherwise excellent career with over 200 wins (!). Being a 70s  child,
I wonder how balanced this presentation is.

What did those of  you who watched him pitch think? Any Oriole / Cincy
/ Cubs fans want to  weigh in on his time in their uniform?

**************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and
favorite sites in one place.  Try it now.
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=================

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 05:40:44 -0600
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Yaz 
Subject: Income!

Steve Hitzeman knocks off three '57s from that shrinking list. A
Baltimore Orioles team card and cards of Jim King and Johnny Temple.
Thanks Steve!

Greg (yaz)

=================

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:48:15 EST
To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Cards for the Troops Contribution List

I won't dwell on this too much more but I want to rethank the guys who
donated cards and also those that have helped with the shipping costs:

The guys who sent along some money so far are:

Neal Thomas
Ron Peterson
Gordon  Davis
Mike Mackie
T J Valacak

The guys who contributed cards were:

Jon Wilson
Jim Jakubonis
Dave Keller
Bob Saxton
Frank Salerno - Distinguished as our top contributor
Bob D'Angelo - Also a huge contribution of 13,000+ cards
Jimi Thayer
Chas Yeiter
Tim Stransky
Spike Glidden
Bob Bard
Carl Kogut
Tim Morales
Bob Brown
Jim Craig
George Moore
Charles Graves
Mike Mackie
Mark Talbot
Bob D'Angelo - AGAIN!!
Marshall West
Randy Wilberg
Griffin Cole
Michael Garron
Mike Fry
I also received about 5000 cards from 2 different dealers.\

Thanks guys,  BB

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=================

Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 17:08:27 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Dan Angland 
Subject: Mike Mroy

Anyone get any cards from him, is he a potential member, I want to thank him but have no contact information.
Thanks, Dan

=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:48:41 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "welfar03" 
Subject: Forgiveness

OK guys and gal I have to ask forgiveness.  Not only did I buy a card
off of eBay, it was a graded card.  It was a 1970 Kellogg's Clemente,
the last card I needed for that set which I have been working on for 2
years.  I only have one other graded card in my collection, a Mays from
the same set.

Now that I have that off of my chest I have a couple of questions for
everyone.  What is the best way to put Kellogg's cards in binders?  I
currently have this set in hard card holders in four pocket sheets.
But this doesn't look the way I would like.  Would it be safe to put
them in regular 9 pocket sheet or would they bend and crack?  Also
should I 'break' the Clemente and Mays out of their PSA prisons or
would the Investor Police come after me?  They are graded as a 5 and

=================

To: "welfar03" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:24:39 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

Ken,   I store my Kellogg's cards in 9 pocket pages and have had no problems with maintaining the integrity of the cards.  I also liberate PSA cards whenever possible, I do keep the PSA label and tuck it in the binder w/the liberated card.  Hope that helps - BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ------------------ MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "welfar03" 
OK guys and gal I have to ask forgiveness. Not only did I buy a card
off of eBay, it was a graded card. It was a 1970 Kellogg's Clemente,
the last card I needed for that set which I have been working on for 2
years. I only have one other graded card in my collection, a Mays from
the same set.

Now that I have that off of my chest I have a couple of questions for
everyone. What is the best way to put Kellogg's cards in binders? I
currently have this set in hard card holders in four pocket sheets.
But this doesn't look the way I would like. Would it be safe to put
them in regular 9 pocket sheet or would they bend and crack? Also
should I 'break' the Clemente and Mays out of their PSA prisons or
would the Investor Police come after me? They are graded as a 5 and

=================

To: OBC Ramblings 
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 23:31:28 -0500
From: Bob Reed 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I also keep my Kelloggs in 9 pocket sheets.  The condition hasn't changed at
all.  The cracks are still there.

To: kenpillion@windstream.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: talbot1@comcast.netDate:
Wed, 17 Dec 2008 04:24:39 +0000Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]Forgiveness

Ken,   I store my Kellogg's cards in 9 pocket pages and have had no problems
with maintaining the integrity of the cards.  I also liberate PSA cards whenever
possible, I do keep the PSA label and tuck it in the binder w/the liberated
card.  Hope that helps - BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ------------------ MARK

-------------- Original message -------------- From: "welfar03" 

OK guys and gal I have to ask forgiveness. Not only did I buy a card off ofeBay,
it was a graded card. It was a 1970 Kellogg's Clemente, the last card
I needed for that set which I have been working on for 2 years. I only have
one other graded card in my collection, a Mays from the same set.Now that
I have that off of my chest I have a couple of questions for everyone. What
is the best way to put Kellogg's cards in binders? I currently have thisset
in hard card holders in four pocket sheets. But this doesn't look the way
I would like. Would it be safe to put them in regular 9 pocket sheet orwould
they bend and crack? Also should I 'break' the Clemente and Mays outof
their PSA prisons or would the Investor Police come after me? They are graded
as a 5 and 4.5. Ken

Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocidTXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_anywhere_122008
=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 05:42:36 -0600
To: welfar03 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I also keep my Kellogg's sets in a binder. I make one concession for the
Kellogg's binder though. I store it flat with the hope that the cards
will eventually uncurl a bit. After two years in a binder, I can
positively say that results are inconclusive.
As for the slabbed cards, break 'em out, always and with gusto!

Greg (yaz)

welfar03 wrote:
> OK guys and gal I have to ask forgiveness. Not only did I buy a card
> off of eBay, it was a graded card. It was a 1970 Kellogg's Clemente,
> the last card I needed for that set which I have been working on for 2
> years. I only have one other graded card in my collection, a Mays from
> the same set.
> Now that I have that off of my chest I have a couple of questions for
> everyone. What is the best way to put Kellogg's cards in binders? I
> currently have this set in hard card holders in four pocket sheets.
> But this doesn't look the way I would like. Would it be safe to put
> them in regular 9 pocket sheet or would they bend and crack? Also
> should I 'break' the Clemente and Mays out of their PSA prisons or
> would the Investor Police come after me? They are graded as a 5 and
> 4.5.
> Ken

=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 03:49:00 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Glenn Codere 
Subject: Kelloggs (was: Forgiveness)

Like Greg, I've stored my Kelloggs cards in flat circumstances in ordinary binders
for some years now. I think I can definitively say that it makesnot
one iota of difference to the cards.....they STILL curl up as soon as I
open the binder!!! No cracks though!!

From: Yaz 
To: welfar03 
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:42:36 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I also keep my Kellogg's sets in a binder. I make one concession for the
Kellogg's binder though. I store it flat with the hope that the cards
will eventually uncurl a bit. After two years in a binder, I can
positively say that results are inconclusive.
As for the slabbed cards, break 'em out, always and with gusto!

Greg (yaz)

welfar03 wrote:
> OK guys and gal I have to ask forgiveness. Not only did I buy a card
> off of eBay, it was a graded card. It was a 1970 Kellogg's Clemente,
> the last card I needed for that set which I have been working on for 2
> years. I only have one other graded card in my collection, a Mays from
> the same set.
> Now that I have that off of my chest I have a couple of questions for
> everyone. What is the best way to put Kellogg's cards in binders? I
> currently have this set in hard card holders in four pocket sheets.
> But this doesn't look the way I would like. Would it be safe to put
> them in regular 9 pocket sheet or would they bend and crack? Also
> should I 'break' the Clemente and Mays out of their PSA prisons or
> would the Investor Police come after me? They are graded as a 5 and
> 4.5.
> Ken

=================

To: "welfar03" ,
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:49:51 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I keep my Kelloggs in a binder also, in the standard 9-pockets.  As a species,
however, I believe the curling is terminal.  I've never found any approach
that would uncurl them.  Sadly, in fact, most of said attempts only endup
in cracking, or in most cases with my sets, "more" cracking.

I had a few slabbed in my originally completed sets also, only because theywere
the only ones I could find at the time.  Eventually, I replaced them with
unslabbed in the binders.

----- Original Message -----
From: Yaz
To: welfar03
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I also keep my Kellogg's sets in a binder. I make one concession for the
Kellogg's binder though. I store it flat with the hope that the cards
will eventually uncurl a bit. After two years in a binder, I can
positively say that results are inconclusive.
As for the slabbed cards, break 'em out, always and with gusto!

Greg (yaz)

welfar03 wrote:
> OK guys and gal I have to ask forgiveness. Not only did I buy a card
> off of eBay, it was a graded card. It was a 1970 Kellogg's Clemente,
> the last card I needed for that set which I have been working on for 2
> years. I only have one other graded card in my collection, a Mays from
> the same set.
> Now that I have that off of my chest I have a couple of questions for
> everyone. What is the best way to put Kellogg's cards in binders? I
> currently have this set in hard card holders in four pocket sheets.
> But this doesn't look the way I would like. Would it be safe to put
> them in regular 9 pocket sheet or would they bend and crack? Also
> should I 'break' the Clemente and Mays out of their PSA prisons or
> would the Investor Police come after me? They are graded as a 5 and
> 4.5.
> Ken

=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:00:35 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Rick" 
Subject: help with non-sport price guide

Can anyone tell me where I can get a big guide for non sport
cards.Would like to get  one like the big beckett almanac to identify
the cards and use for checklist for Pre 80's cards. I have been coming
across cards at shows and have had many for years but don't the exact
year or how many in the set.or If anyone has a old one they would like
to get rid of any help would be appreciated. Rick

=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 06:14:01 -0800 (PST)
To: obc ramblings 
From: Matthew 
Subject: Re: Revitalizing Kelloggs cards

Back when the OBC-friendly U-Trading Cards served the Seattle area, I'd drop in and chat cards with the staff. One afternoon, they were celebrating a "discovery." They were uncurling Kellogg's cards by laying them atop a radiator for a few minutes at a time. This apparently makes the front pliable again and it'll lie flat. Not sure how long the effect lasts, but it's worth a shot, right? Just don't melt the card or set your house on fire.

----- Original Message ----
From: Yaz 
To: welfar03 
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:42:36 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I also keep my Kellogg's sets in a binder. I make one concession for the
Kellogg's binder though. I store it flat with the hope that the cards
will eventually uncurl a bit. After two years in a binder, I can
positively say that results are inconclusive.
As for the slabbed cards, break 'em out, always and with gusto!

Greg (yaz)

=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:12:05 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jd3681" 
Subject: card question help please!!!!

I just received a card along with a trade with a non member, he says it
is his favorite set but didn't identify it....help please!

itis an oversize card with pitcher Dean Chance (Los Angeles Angel) on
the front, #16 on the back with lone single in the 8th.

any help with this set, how many cards.....and so on.

thanks in advance and be well

=================

Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 18:20:08 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jd3681" 
Subject: got the answer!!!

thanks to Jim Beauchemin for coming to my rescue so quickly...I felt so
dumb though as I thought whenever someone mentioned topps 64 giants
they were referring to the team cards.....lol

thanks Jim and OBC

=================

To: ,
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 14:12:31 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] help with non-sport price guide

Rick, I use the Sport Americana Price Guide to the Non-Sports Cards.  I have
three different versions, I don't know if there are other versions out there.

One, I think the original one, was published in 1981.  It covers 19th century
through at least some of the '60s.  It's kind of hard to tell how far itgoes
as sets are listed alphabetically rather than chronologically.

Another volume covers only 1930-1960 and is probably more complete for thatperiod.

Another volume covers only 1961 - 1988 and obviously contains a lot of cards
not covered in either of the other two volumes.

I find all three volumes useful.  I don't think any of these books are in print.
I got mine on eBay.  You may find different editions (Number 2, Number
3, etc.) which I THINK only reflect changes in the prices but I don't know
for sure.  The prices are old really old so none of them are useful anyway.

If you like tobacco cards, a good resource is "American Tobacco Cards, Price
Guide & Checklist" by Robert Forbes & Terence Mitchell.

HAVE FUN!

-Dave Fallen

----- Original Message -----
From: Rick
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:00 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] help with non-sport price guide

Can anyone tell me where I can get a big guide for non sport
cards.Would like to get one like the big beckett almanac to identify
the cards and use for checklist for Pre 80's cards. I have been coming
across cards at shows and have had many for years but don't the exact
year or how many in the set.or If anyone has a old one they would like
to get rid of any help would be appreciated. Rick

=================

To: 
Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 17:55:15 -0600
From: "George Vrechek" 
Subject: Re:sain/page

To Gary Mandell and anyone else interested

"Topps must have been displeased with the coloring of cards in the first run
using black ink on the backs. The black backs might also be called the guys
with the gray faces on the front. The fronts of red back cards are much
clearer with better color than the black backs. In fact it looks like when
Topps noticed the Sain-Page goofs they must have also said to themselves:
what can we do to improve the color on some of these cards? Ray Boone (#55)
looked like death warmed over on a dark orange background. Kretlow (#42)
wasn't much better. I think that when the Page and Sain cards got fixed,
that Topps also improved #s 42 and 55. Both cards can be found in red and
black backs, but the black backs have two different looks on the front. I
would submit that the crummier looking versions are as scarce as the
incorrect Sain and Page cards."

From one of my articles on the Library page.

It took me awhile to find both variations. I didn't pay too much - not
unusual for me. Shortly thereafter I ran across one of the wrong backs again
- but not marked as such. I should have bought it at $35 or something. My
observation though based on all of one show last weekend is that prices are
coming down. Stay with the OBC motto of - don't pay too much.

George Vrechek

=================

Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 02:40:28 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan" 
Subject: FOOT holiday happenings final RSVPs needed

I am looking to get some firm commitments so we can try and get tickets
in advance for the following events:
Friday, December 26 Motor City Bowl
Saturday, December 27 Great lakes Invitational
Sunday, December 28 Great Lakes Invitational finals
As of now, I think Ron Perry and Mark Talbot are going to the Motor
City Bowl; Ron to the Saturday GLI and Earl Kilborne and son to the
Sunday GLI.  Being the bachelor in the group, I will do all 3, plus
stop by the Gibraltar card show earlier on Friday the 26th.
Please let us know if you want us to get you a ticket early.
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:55:39 +0000 (UTC)
To: Matthew 
From: tvalacak@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Revitalizing Kelloggs cards

I started up a couple of Kelloggs sets this year and I have always been a little
leery about putting them in a binder because of the curling.
It sounds like they will stay in their curled condition within the binder.
I'm wondering if anyone has tried Spike's uncurling process.
If so, how did it go?

T.J. Valacak
OBC member since August 2005
http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew" 
To: "obc ramblings" 
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 8:14:01 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Revitalizing Kelloggs cards

Back when the OBC-friendly U-Trading Cards served the Seattle area, I'd drop
in and chat cards with the staff. One afternoon, they were celebrating a "discovery."
They were uncurling Kellogg's cards by laying them atop a radiator
for a few minutes at a time. This apparently makes the front pliable again
and it'll lie flat. Not sure how long the effect lasts, but it's wortha
shot, right? Just don't melt the card or set your house on fire.

----- Original Message ----
From: Yaz < yazobc@insightbb.com >
To: welfar03 < kenpillion@windstream.net >
Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 6:42:36 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Forgiveness

I also keep my Kellogg's sets in a binder. I make one concession for the
Kellogg's binder though. I store it flat with the hope that the cards
will eventually uncurl a bit. After two years in a binder, I can
positively say that results are inconclusive.
As for the slabbed cards, break 'em out, always and with gusto!

Greg (yaz)

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBCRamblings)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 15:49:38 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Help....again

As some of you may recall I recently abandoned my Webtv in favor of Comcast after considerable urging (harassment) from my spouse. My reluctance to make that move was primarily because Webtv had a webpage builder for dummies. So simple even I could work with it....and it was free!

At any rate after a lot of frustration and through a trial and error process I was able to create a website via Comcast, again it was free! Now, as you can see we have made yet another switch, this time to AT&T/Yahoo. At the time we signed up I was told that they also had a free webpage builder. That, it turns out, was a lie!

OK, here is where I need some help. Since we have not canceled our Comcast account yet I am debating if I should call AT&T and un-install U-verse. The other, more preferable option, would be to look for a free & easy webpage builder (is that the same as web hosting?).

Once again I am soliciting suggestions about a free or really cheap site that even I can work with!

"We Keep what we give away"
=================

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 00:03:39 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "rlabs1" 
Subject: where can I find

A complete list of Phillies cards from 1949 to present day including
all amkes and brands.

Thank you,
Richard Labs

=================

To: ,
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 19:22:14 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find

Richard:  Ron Brand didn't play for the Phillies and I've never heard of Amke
----- Original Message -----
From: rlabs1
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 18, 2008 7:03 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find

A complete list of Phillies cards from 1949 to present day including
all amkes and brands.

Thank you,
Richard Labs

=================

To: 
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 20:56:33 -0500
From: obcjohn@knology.net
Subject: Availables

The following are available.  Preference to those I owe, otherwise FCFS.  Please
include your address with your request.

1952 Bowman:  55

1960 Topps:  527  548

1965 Topps:  331  580(back damage)

1970 Topps:  90  293  308  416  423

1972 Topps:  711(Bonds)

1973 Topps:  426  428

1974 Topps:  249  254  271  360  370  378  507  511  524

=================

To: 
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:37:01 -0500
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: thanks Any

Chef Anthony sends a 52 Topps Tipton of Joe Tipton and a pair of Topps 73

Thanks Ant!

Thanks OBC!!!

=================

To: "rlabs1" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 03:06:01 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] where can I find

You can find this information for the Phillies or ANY TEAM at the following web-site.

http://www.teamsets4u.com/

I have found it quite useful to find TIGER info.  GOOD LUCK!!!!

REGARDS -------------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "rlabs1" 
A complete list of Phillies cards from 1949 to present day including
all amkes and brands.

Thank you,
Richard Labs

=================

Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 19:00:48 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda" 
Subject: Amazed at price of very low grade t206 lot on ebay

I was amazed at what the price a very low grade lot (torn off pieces,
holes) of t206's sold for on ebay. Check out this lot of 17 different

ebay #200287655202

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 15:27:04 -0500
From: ehpiii@aol.com
Subject: Re: Revitalizing Kelloggs cards

speaking of card tricks, I bought a group of hockey cards from about 1970 and
used a humidifier to (mostly) remove the glued-on paper on the back. You
can tell that there is some glue residue, but I can read the backs now

=================

To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 16:16:21 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Amazed at price of very low grade t206 lot on ebay

At about $4 a piece Linda these are a bargain now a days.

REGARDS --------------------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Linda" 
I was amazed at what the price a very low grade lot (torn off pieces,
holes) of t206's sold for on ebay. Check out this lot of 17 different

ebay #200287655202

=================

To: talbot1@comcast.net, jazzgirl1920s@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 11:58:29 -0500
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Amazed at price of very low grade t206 lot on ebay

I agree...the price was about right and included two HOFers and all Sovereign backs.

-----Original Message-----
From: talbot1@comcast.net
To: Linda ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 8:16 am
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Amazed at price of very low grade t206 lot on ebay

At about $4 a piece Linda these are a bargain now a days.?

REGARDS --------------------------- MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Linda" 

I was amazed at what the price a very low grade lot (torn off pieces,
holes) of t206's sold for on ebay. Check out this lot of 17 different

ebay #200287655202

=================

Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 23:37:38 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jimbo777777" 
Subject: Marshall Bridges

Once upon a time, a generous obc'r sent me a scan of a Marshall Bridges
card, from a Cincinnati Reds set.  Unfortunately, I seem to have
misplaced the scan.  I could use it again, for part of a stratomatic
project, if anybody can help me out?

=================

Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2008 20:50:13 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sean McGowan 
Subject: Availables from my last card show!

here is a list of stuff I grabbed for next to nothing.  Please ask for anything
you like.
Go OBC!

1961 Golden press (so I'm told) Nap Lajoie #31
'63 topps Skowron #180 (dodgers)
'65 topps 7th check list #508
'65 topps Regan #191 (tigers)
'65 topps bouton #30 (yankees)
'67 topps checklists 3-mays #191 and 5-clemente #361
Lou Pinnella Scratch off game
'72 topps Kison #72 (pirates)
'72 Boswell in action #306 mets
'72 dodgers Rookies - Hough #198
'76 #343 pie traynor (don't be shy, I have 4)
'77 Schmidt #140
'78 record breakers #3 mccovey and #7 reggie
'78 k-ldrs ryan/niekro #206
'79 Jack Morris RC #703 (2 avail)
'79 topps all-time hits Sisler/Cobb #411 (2 avail)
'79 topps all-time HRs Maris/Aaron #413
'79 topps all-time SBs Brock/Brock #415 (2 avail)
2 years after that, topps george brett #700
and 2 more years later, Johnny Bench #60

=================

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:25:37 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "distelrath66" 
Subject: You guys remember "The healing power of cardboard" & "Drown Ryan with woodies"?

Well, after 1.5 years of being paralyzed. I *FINALLY* got a home
health provider that doesn't mind helping me sort & collate all of my
sets!!!  Now I can finally get everything in order and update my
helter skelter wantlist!

I do believe that payback time is in order.  I've got just a tad few
cards left to sort of the '62 set and then put into binder pages.
Once I am finished, I am going to be sending every dupe from that
coveted '62 Topps set to those who are collecting it.  And when I say
dupes, I mean DUPES.

All apologies for not undertaking this task sooner, but every
careworker that I've had on up until this point would NOT help me (and
that ain't no lie either).

I'm still shell shocked by the truckloads of '62s that came rolling
in once I got back from the hospital.  The generosity of this group
still never ceases to amaze me.  THANK EACH & EVERY ONE OF YOU!!

Now...  It's PAYACK TIME!  I *plan* to hit EVERY collector of the
'62 set, of course unless all you need is the Mantle or the Eucker
rookie, then I cannot help you unfortunately.  Otherwise I'm DESTINED
to have some some hits from your wantlists.

I plan on starting operation "Payback's A Pleasure" in one...  two
weeks "Topps".  BE ON THE LOOKOUT!

You know what they say about revenge?  How it is best served cold?
It's not  quite  that way with return fires, but I think that this'll
turn out great.  I (not intentionally) waited until you either forgot.
or were wondering just what the heck I did with all of those dupes,
when WHAM! Operation "payback's a pleasure" goes into hyper-overdrive.

I haven't forgotten you guys (& gal), and I feel bad that it had to
take me this long to take action, but it's better late than never.

This is gonna' be FUN, even if I tend to let the cat out of the bag
too early when it comes to what my agenda is.

KEEP YOUR EYES PEELED!

Ryan "THE cripple" Distelrath

GO OBC!!!!!!!!

=================

To: "Steve Archibald" ,
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 02:44:15 -0700
From: "Walker" 
Subject: Re:  "Bowl"ed over games

Easy there, boyz, I live out here in Colorado, and I not only read and hearall
these jokes, but I also have to live with this stuff.  CSU aint all that
good, but it hurts to hear how the rest of the nation thinks they are sosecond
rate.  I don't put down Cinderella State for beating my beloved Blue;
why berate Colorado's Rams?

Now, MY thinking is that the NHL should push the U of Michigan to host nextyear's,
outdoor, "candy hockey game," in the Big House.  Instead of competing
with all the bowl games, why not on new year's eve?  Can you imagine, one
hundred thousand Red Wings fans, rockin' that Big House joint against anoriginal
six team?    Oh MY !!! !!!!! !!!

I can.  ...and I'd like to know who might back me up in sending some "petitions"
to the league, asking them to consider it.

My guess?  It would become a huge hit and eventually an outdoor, New Year'sEve
tradition, where the Wings will at least be able to rule, until the pussy
cat Lions might once again intrigue us to watch a Thanksgiving game.

Anyone from MI (or anyone else from other parts) in with me???

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Archibald
To: Mark Walker ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [Vct] "Bowl" games

Let's all be thankful that our team did not play in the MagicJack Bowl!  Talk
about your bad names!
----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Walker
To: Steve Archibald ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 8:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Vct] "Bowl" games

Congrats to Colorado State for winning the New Mexico Bowl 40 -35 in a thriller!!

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Archibald
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: [Vct] "Bowl" games

As I write this I do not know the outcome but the UCONN v Gonzaga basketball
game is WAAAAAAAAAAY better than these football games they try to pass
off as bowls!

-- Check out the VCT website at:  http://www.vintagecardtraders.com

-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address?  Let Dan know today!

-- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com

-- Check out the VCT website at:  http://www.vintagecardtraders.com

-- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address?  Let Dan know today!

-- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com

=================

To: "obc" 
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 09:09:26 -0600
From: "ken goetsch" 
Subject: 1969 Topps football 4 in 1's separated avialable

I have a bunch of Topps -1969 - Football SEPARATED.4 in 1's ..available.
Too many too list..but please respond..and I will check your list...........

I am getting pretty close on that set myself.....Here are my wants...............

1969' Topps separated 4 in 1's. Listed 05-05-07.

Ken Goetsch

=================

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:32:46 EST
To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: directorth@aol.com
Subject: Re: If only.....

Brian & all others,
If you're crazy enough to try for the 1962 greenies, I have posted
side-by-side comparisons of all of the cards in question at
_http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/_
(http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/) .  Yes, that means not only did I go after the green tint
variations, I managed -  somehow - to finish off the quest.

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=================

To: ,
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 13:32:28 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

This is a great exhibit.  I never really understood what you guys were talking
about with the green tints.  Now I do!  I'll have to take a look in my binder
and see which ones I have!  Thanks for sharing.

----- Original Message -----
From: directorth@aol.com
To: familytoad@comcast.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

Brian & all others,
If you're crazy enough to try for the 1962 greenies, I have posted side-by-side
comparisons of all of the cards in question at http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/.
Yes, that means not only did I go after
the green tint variations, I managed - somehow - to finish off the quest.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo
Mail. Try it now.

=================

To: ,
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:00:17 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I'm about halfway through the slide show, and so far have found that I havefive
green tints.  117 Geiger, 123 dela Hoz, 154 L. Thomas, 170 Santo, 195Cunningham.

I also had no idea that some of these variations had different pictures in addition
to the tint.  I think I'll probably want to pick up green tints ofYost
and Moon at least, for the better pictures.

----- Original Message -----
From: directorth@aol.com
To: familytoad@comcast.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 12:32 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

Brian & all others,
If you're crazy enough to try for the 1962 greenies, I have posted side-by-side
comparisons of all of the cards in question at http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/.
Yes, that means not only did I go after
the green tint variations, I managed - somehow - to finish off the quest.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo
Mail. Try it now.

=================

To: , ,
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 20:07:35 +0000
From: LYONS RONI 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I too think this is awesome I have never  know what the differences were soI
have never tried to collect both. I may have some greenies in my dupes box.
thanks for your hard work Rick

To: familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: directorth@aol.comDate:
Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:32:46 -0500Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

Brian & all others,
If you're crazy enough to try for the 1962 greenies, I have posted side-by-side
comparisons of all of the cards in question at http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/.
Yes, that means not only did I go after
the green tint variations, I managed - somehow - to finish off the quest.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail.
Try it now.

=================

To: ,
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:59:27 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I finished the slide show, despite the best efforts of one of my cats, who insisted
on sitting in front of the screen, and chasing the cursor across the

Amazingly, it turns out that I had 15 green tints in my binder.  I guess I'll
go through my '62 dupes, and decide what, if anything, to do about it!

Thanks again to Tom for posting the side-by-sides.  I'd have never figured this
out without them.  (ARGH!!!!)

----- Original Message -----
From: LYONS RONI
To: directorth@aol.com ; familytoad@comcast.net ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I too think this is awesome I have never  know what the differences were so
I  have never tried to collect both. I may have some greenies in my dupes
box. thanks for your hard work Rick

To: familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: directorth@aol.com
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:32:46 -0500
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

Brian & all others,
If you're crazy enough to try for the 1962 greenies, I have posted side-by-side
comparisons of all of the cards in question at http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/.
Yes, that means not only did I go after
the green tint variations, I managed - somehow - to finish off the quest.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo
Mail. Try it now.

=================

To: , 
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 22:41:31 +0000
From: LYONS RONI 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I Just picked out 7 green tints out of my dupes box. I guess when I was putting
the set together the regular ones looked better than the green ones.

To: directorth@aol.com; familytoad@comcast.net; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;
rrrlyons@msn.comFrom: jimbo7777777@earthlink.netDate: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 15:59:27
-0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I finished the slide show, despite the best efforts of one of my cats, who insisted
on sitting in front of the screen, and chasing the cursor across the

Amazingly, it turns out that I had 15 green tints in my binder.  I guess I'll
go through my '62 dupes, and decide what, if anything, to do about it!

Thanks again to Tom for posting the side-by-sides.  I'd have never figured this
out without them.  (ARGH!!!!)

----- Original Message -----
From: LYONS RONI
To: directorth@aol.com ; familytoad@comcast.net ; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

I too think this is awesome I have never  know what the differences were soI
have never tried to collect both. I may have some greenies in my dupes box.
thanks for your hard work Rick

To: familytoad@comcast.net; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: directorth@aol.comDate:
Sun, 21 Dec 2008 12:32:46 -0500Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: If only.....

Brian & all others,
If you're crazy enough to try for the 1962 greenies, I have posted side-by-side
comparisons of all of the cards in question at http://www.flickr.com/photos/obctom/sets/72157602774575697/.
Yes, that means not only did I go after
the green tint variations, I managed - somehow - to finish off the quest.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail.
Try it now.

=================

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 23:52:03 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: 1962 green tints

I had decided a while back that, since I am still working on sets over
a decade later, I would only list the pose variations that are
included in the the green tints.  I figure when I finish off the 70-73
sets, and get closer on the late sixties stuff, THEN I could really
pursue the full green tint madness.

Cause that's what everyone seems to think of it.  Seems like every
time someone starts down the path of green tints they end up saying
that it is MADNESS.  Apparently it's rather hard to finish both
variations off!!!

So how many people in OBC have actually finished the green tint

=================

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:05:40 EST
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 green tints

i do and except for high numbered 52's and variation I have all the sets
done.  I am old also

In a message dated 12/21/2008 5:52:16 P.M. Central Standard Time,
uthminsta@hotmail.com writes:

I had decided a while back that, since I am still working on sets over
a  decade later, I would only list the pose variations that are
included in  the the green tints. I figure when I finish off the 70-73
sets, and get  closer on the late sixties stuff, THEN I could really
pursue the full green  tint madness.

Cause that's what everyone seems to think of it. Seems  like every
time someone starts down the path of green tints they end up  saying
that it is MADNESS. Apparently it's rather hard to finish  both
variations off!!!

So how many people in OBC have actually  finished the green tint

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Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:07:40 EST
To: LUURSCJG@aol.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 green tints

Me too,  on both finishing 62 greenies and being old.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 00:45:43 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Housley" 
Subject: Re: 1962 green tints

It's not really HARD to finish the green tints off; there aren't any
superstars (unless you count the Ruth inserts). The difficulty lies
(lays?) in knowing what to look for. Some of them are very obvious,
while others have very subtle shading - and cropping - differences. I
know of at least one OBC'er who, at the National 2 years ago, printed
the side-by-side comparisons & carried them with him to aid in the

I think once I decided to try to finish them off it only took about a
year of trolling evilBay (and shows, of course) to round them up. So -
live dangerously! Join us! Be one of us...one of us...one of us :-)

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "uthminsta1" 
> I had decided a while back that, since I am still working on sets over
> a decade later, I would only list the pose variations that are
> included in the the green tints.  I figure when I finish off the 70-73
> sets, and get closer on the late sixties stuff, THEN I could really
> pursue the full green tint madness.
> Cause that's what everyone seems to think of it.  Seems like every
> time someone starts down the path of green tints they end up saying
> that it is MADNESS.  Apparently it's rather hard to finish both
> variations off!!!
> So how many people in OBC have actually finished the green tint
> collection?
> Aaron

=================

Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 19:59:16 EST
To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: 1962 green tints

it seems like many of the newbies, and some of the oldbies, are just  finding
out what i have known for years.  your green tint website is one of  the most
valuable post-war vintage sites i have ever used!

thanks and ahppy holidays from frigid chicago (great place for a football
game tomorrow nite!)

In a message dated 12/21/2008 6:46:09 PM Central Standard Time,
directorth@aol.com writes:

It's not really HARD to finish the green tints off; there aren't  any
superstars (unless you count the Ruth inserts). The difficulty lies
(lays?) in knowing what to look for. Some of them are very obvious,
while others have very subtle shading - and cropping - differences. I
know of at least one OBC'er who, at the National 2 years ago, printed
the side-by-side comparisons & carried them with him to aid in the

I think once I decided to try to finish them off it only  took about a
year of trolling evilBay (and shows, of course) to round them  up. So -
live dangerously! Join us! Be one of us...one of us...one of us  :-)

--- In _OBC-Ramblings@OBC-RamblingOBC_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com)
,  "uthminsta1" 
> I had  decided a while back that, since I am still working on sets over
> a  decade later, I would only list the pose variations that are
> included  in the the green tints. I figure when I finish off the 70-73
> sets, and  get closer on the late sixties stuff, THEN I could really
> pursue the  full green tint madness.
> Cause that's what everyone seems to  think of it. Seems like every
> time someone starts down the path of  green tints they end up saying
> that it is MADNESS. Apparently it's  rather hard to finish both
> variations off!!!
> So how  many people in OBC have actually finished the green tint
>  collection?
> Aaron

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To: 
Date: Sun, 21 Dec 2008 18:26:51 -0700
From: "Marshall West" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 green tints

I was 10 years old in 1962, and it was easily my big year for collecting baseball
cards.  I knew early that something was up with the 2nd series variations
(thanks to Moon, Reniff, etc.).  I completed my green tints many, many
years ago when nobody knew, or cared, about the tints.

Here is a 1962 variation tip from the Marsh:  if you have two similar cardsthat
you are comparing for a green tint, do this.  Look at the wood grain in
the wood trim of the card.  If they are different, then one of them is agreen
tint.  If they are exactly the same, you have either two greenies ortwo

If the green variations surprise you, then don't ask about the Venezuelan variations.

----- Original Message -----
From: uthminsta1
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 21, 2008 4:52 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1962 green tints

I had decided a while back that, since I am still working on sets over
a decade later, I would only list the pose variations that are
included in the the green tints. I figure when I finish off the 70-73
sets, and get closer on the late sixties stuff, THEN I could really
pursue the full green tint madness.

Cause that's what everyone seems to think of it. Seems like every
time someone starts down the path of green tints they end up saying
that it is MADNESS. Apparently it's rather hard to finish both
variations off!!!

So how many people in OBC have actually finished the green tint

=================

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 04:34:48 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: Re: 1962 green tints

Marshall wrote:
> I was 10 years old in 1962...

Here's the problem.  I was 'negative 12' in 1962.  My dad was fifteen
- too bad he never collected cards!  Remember, I'm one of the babies
in the group; I was born when cards were no longer issued in series.
So I don't remember there being any varieties in the 1984 Topps set
from when I was ten, haha.  But I do remember there being seven
varieties of the 1982 cent, which provided a fun search through pocket
change for me... in fact, I still have hundreds of them... any cent
collectors looking for a 1982 variety set??!?

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 02:37:17 -0500
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: '34-'36 Diamond Stars

Does anybody have a complete checklist with color, name, and other variations for this issue?

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:23:18 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS...

I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams.  And for
those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine.  Or even if
you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we should show
you what favorite means :)

Here's what I kinda gathered over time, and from the directory page
(correct me if I'm wrong):
Braves: Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Dodgers: Distelrath
Indians: Malson
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Schott
Phillies: Levine, Morgan
Pirates: Dietrick
Reds: Newcomb
Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg, Valacak(1)
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
TwinsL DeJong, Wiehe
White Sox: Valacak(2)
Yankees: Gyselinck

Thanks.  You can post to ramblings, or email me directly.  I will
update eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as well.

=================

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:47:27 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: Re: FAVORITE TEAMS...

I've already gotten a handful of guys telling me their favorite teams.
Keep it up.  And by the way, this doesn't have to mean you actively
COLLECT cards from that team... just that they are the team you root
for (or used to).

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:23:54 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, uthminsta1 
From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...

I know I'm not the only Cub fan...

Take Care,

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, uthminsta1  wrote:

From: uthminsta1 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:23 AM

I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams. And for
those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine. Or even if
you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we should show
you what favorite means :)

Here's what I kinda gathered over time, and from the directory page
(correct me if I'm wrong):
Braves: Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Dodgers: Distelrath
Indians: Malson
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Schott
Phillies: Levine, Morgan
Pirates: Dietrick
Reds: Newcomb
Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg, Valacak(1)
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
TwinsL DeJong, Wiehe
White Sox: Valacak(2)
Yankees: Gyselinck

Thanks. You can post to ramblings, or email me directly. I will
update eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as well.

=================

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:55:15 EST
To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...

Luurs would Twins and whoever playing the minnesota Vikings

In a message dated 12/22/2008 12:24:13 P.M. Central Standard Time,
illini_grad_90@yahoo.com writes:

I know I'm not the only Cub fan...

Take Care,

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, uthminsta1   wrote:

From:  uthminsta1 
Subject:  [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...
To:  OBC-Ramblings@To:  To:
Date: Monday, December 22,  2008, 11:23 AM

I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams. And  for
those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine. Or  even if
you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we  should show
you what favorite means :)

Here's what I kinda  gathered over time, and from the directory page
(correct me if I'm  wrong):
Braves: Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals:  Keating
Dodgers: Distelrath
Indians: Malson
Mets: Gioia,  Martens
Orioles: Schott
Phillies: Levine, Morgan
Pirates:  Dietrick
Reds: Newcomb
Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg,  Valacak(1)
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
TwinsL DeJong,  Wiehe
White Sox: Valacak(2)
Yankees: Gyselinck

Thanks.  You can post to ramblings, or email me directly. I will
update  eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as  well.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:05:24 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 40 reporting...

Early returns have the Tigers out in front, with six true devotees.
Good job, FOOT.

Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Distelrath
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2)
Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Betza(2), Schott
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick
Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg, Valacak(2)
Reds: Newcomb
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(1)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead

Angels, Astros, Athletics, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Giants, Marlins,
Nationals, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Royals apparently have
no support... yet.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:14:19 EST
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 40 reporting...

If TJ is listing the White Sox ahead of the Red Sox as his favorites, there
is something fishy going on here!

In a message dated 12/22/2008 3:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time,
uthminsta@hotmail.com writes:

Early returns have the Tigers out in front, with six true devotees.
Good job, FOOT.

Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers:  Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers:  Calvert, Distelrath
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2)
Mariners:  Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Betza(2),  Schott
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan
Pirates: Betza(1),  Dietrick
Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg,  Valacak(2)
Reds: Newcomb
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz,  Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3),  Valacak(1)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead

Angels, Astros,  Athletics, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Giants, Marlins,
Nationals, Padres, Rangers,  Rays, Rockies and Royals apparently have
no support...  yet.

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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:22:02 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 40 reporting...

> If TJ is listing the White Sox ahead of the Red Sox...

Oops, that's me.  I'm the fish.  I was trying to remember which one he
liked.  I thought being from Chicago he'd have the White Sox first...
I'll fix it with the next update.

=================

To: ,
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 16:58:05 -0500
From: "Mark Holland" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...

Geno, you're just the only one to own up to it publicly (LOL).  A lot of usa
"closet Cubbies" waiting to come out when they win.  I have been a Braves
fan since the mid 80s when we had up and coming superstars like Bob Horner
and Rick Camp.  I am still waiting on them to hit their peak.

----- Original Message -----
From: Geno Wagner
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; uthminsta1
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 1:23 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...

I know I'm not the only Cub fan...

Take Care,

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, uthminsta1  wrote:

From: uthminsta1 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 11:23 AM

I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams. Andfor
those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine. Or even if
you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we shouldshow
you what favorite means :)

Here's what I kinda gathered over time, and from the directory page
(correct me if I'm wrong):
Braves: Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Dodgers: Distelrath
Indians: Malson
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Schott
Phillies: Levine, Morgan
Pirates: Dietrick
Reds: Newcomb
Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg, Valacak(1)
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
TwinsL DeJong, Wiehe
White Sox: Valacak(2)
Yankees: Gyselinck

Thanks. You can post to ramblings, or email me directly. I will
update eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as well.

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBCRamblings)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:35:23 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Signing up for servers
From:    originaleek@comcast.net
To:    OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBCRamblings)
Subject:    Signing up fot
Date:    Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:09:27 +0000

"We Keep what we give away"
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Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:41:25 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikerw7" 
Subject: Re: FAVORITE TEAMS...

Okay, Aaron, I'll state it publicly: I'm a Yankee fan and, in the NL, a Phillie
fan.  Even if this drastically reduces my incoming cards, I won't recant
(though I may regret it a touch).

Merry Christmas, all of you!!
Mike Runley-Wells
--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "uthminsta1"  wrote:
> I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams.  And for
> those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine.  Or even if
> you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we should show
> you what favorite means :)
> Here's what I kinda gathered over time, and from the directory page
> (correct me if I'm wrong):
> Braves: Shirley
> Brewers: Wierzbicki
> Cardinals: Keating
> Dodgers: Distelrath
> Indians: Malson
> Mets: Gioia, Martens
> Orioles: Schott
> Phillies: Levine, Morgan
> Pirates: Dietrick
> Reds: Newcomb
> Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg, Valacak(1)
> Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
> TwinsL DeJong, Wiehe
> White Sox: Valacak(2)
> Yankees: Gyselinck
> Thanks.  You can post to ramblings, or email me directly.  I will
> update eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as well.
> Aaron

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 02:02:08 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Favorite teams of OBC, with 50 members reporting, are...

Athletics: Silva
Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath
Giants: Griffin
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed
Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens, Newman
Orioles: Betza(2), Schott
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2)
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick
Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg, Thomas,
Reds: Newcomb, Pillion
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Rumley-Wells(1), Stufflestreet, West

Red Sox, Tigers and Yankees lead, each with 6 first-place votes.
Still no support for the Angels, Astros, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Marlins,
Nationals, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Royals.  And the White
Sox have only gotten a couple of 'consolation' votes.  Hmm...

=================

Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 18:55:22 -0800 (PST)
To: uthminsta1 , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...

Aaron and OBC

My Favorite Team growing up was the Cincinnati Reds. "The Big Red Machine"
as they became known. I still love the Reds. I also have taken an interest
in the Padres. I have seen a lot of History at the old Stadium and haveenjoyed
every aspect of the new Stadium.

Anyway, Favorite all-time team The Big Red Machine!

John Stamper

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, uthminsta1  wrote:

From: uthminsta1 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 9:23 AM

I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams. And for
those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine. Or even if
you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we should show
you what favorite means :)

Here's what I kinda gathered over time, and from the directory page
(correct me if I'm wrong):
Braves: Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Dodgers: Distelrath
Indians: Malson
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Schott
Phillies: Levine, Morgan
Pirates: Dietrick
Reds: Newcomb
Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg, Valacak(1)
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
TwinsL DeJong, Wiehe
White Sox: Valacak(2)
Yankees: Gyselinck

Thanks. You can post to ramblings, or email me directly. I will
update eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as well.

=================

To: ,
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 22:10:23 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Interesting question for me, and no straight answer.

As a kid, I followed the Yankees and Giants through most of the '60's.  Along
about 1969 or so, when the players of my youth started to fade, retire, be
traded,etc , I became a "free agent" of sorts, followed the expansion Expos,
and the Cubs for a few years, still checking in on the Giants and Yankees.
Got caught up in Phillies Fever for a few years during the Schmidt/Carlton/Johnstone
era, also liked to listen to the woeful Indians (Oscar Gamble
and Dennis Eckersley were my favorites) on the radio at night.  Lost interest
entirely for a few years after the strike of '81, came back during the
Mattingly era in New York.  After the strike of '94, I lost interest again
for a few years, then became mostly a minor league fan.

Basically, at this point, I follow whatever teams happen to have minor league
franchises nearby, or whomever is most convenient for me to watch in my computer
room.  I only get basic cable there, although I can and do wander downstairs
for the Extra Innings package when there's a particularly good game
on in whatever city.  So, my long winded answer would be a 25% vote foreach
of the Tigers, Astros, Yankees and Mets.    The Tigers and Astros because
they have the closest minor league teams nearby (I'm a long-time season
ticket holder for the short-season Tigers), and the Yanks and Mets because
I can get them on basic cable.

When somebody asks me in person who my favorite team is, I usually say thatI'm
a general fan, just want to see a good game, which is not untrue really,
but also is rooted in my inherent desire not to get into debates.  :)

Interesting topic, I'm enjoying the responses.

----- Original Message -----
From: uthminsta1
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 9:02 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Favorite teams of OBC, with 50 members reporting, are...

Athletics: Silva
Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath
Giants: Griffin
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed
Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens, Newman
Orioles: Betza(2), Schott
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2)
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick
Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg, Thomas,
Reds: Newcomb, Pillion
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Rumley-Wells(1), Stufflestreet, West

Red Sox, Tigers and Yankees lead, each with 6 first-place votes.
Still no support for the Angels, Astros, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Marlins,
Nationals, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Royals. And the White
Sox have only gotten a couple of 'consolation' votes. Hmm...

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:07:00 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Richard Dingman" 
Subject: 1978 Topps baseball starter set

Any interest in this?
Looks like some 300 cards or more, details available if requested.
Richard D

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 05:32:51 -0600
To: uthminsta1 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I was born a Red Sox fan, the son of Red Sox fan. I am now a part of
"Red Sox Nation", a fairly recent term which probably means we win a lot
more now.

Greg (yaz)

uthminsta1 wrote:
> Favorite teams of OBC, with 50 members reporting, are...
> Athletics: Silva
> Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
> Brewers: Wierzbicki
> Cardinals: Keating
> Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
> Dodgers: Calvert, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath
> Giants: Griffin
> Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed
> Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
> Mets: Gioia, Martens, Newman
> Orioles: Betza(2), Schott
> Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2)
> Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick
> Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg, Thomas,
> Valacak(1)
> Reds: Newcomb, Pillion
> Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
> Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
> White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
> Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Rumley-Wells(1), Stufflestreet, West
> Red Sox, Tigers and Yankees lead, each with 6 first-place votes.
> Still no support for the Angels, Astros, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Marlins,
> Nationals, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Royals. And the White
> Sox have only gotten a couple of 'consolation' votes. Hmm...
> Aaron

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:42:09 GMT
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com
From: "Bob Saxton" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:23:18 -0000
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS...

I'd like to get a complete list of everyone's favorite teams.  And for
those who for some reason need to have two, that's fine.  Or even if
you claim to have five favorite teams, although perhaps we should show
you what favorite means :)

Here's what I kinda gathered over time, and from the directory page
(correct me if I'm wrong):
Braves: Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Dodgers: Distelrath
Indians: Malson
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Schott
Phillies: Levine, Morgan
Pirates: Dietrick
Reds: Newcomb
Red Sox: Knowles, Rittenberg, Valacak(1)
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, Talbot
TwinsL DeJong, Wiehe
White Sox: Valacak(2)
Yankees: Gyselinck

Thanks.  You can post to ramblings, or email me directly.  I will
update eventually, as I'm sure others would like to know this as well.

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:02:50 EST
To: yazobc@insightbb.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

CARDINALS, FOR 50 YEARS!!!!

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 08:07:35 EST
To: Brockhattox@cs.com, yazobc@insightbb.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Reds, since the first time I saw Pete Rose play............ 1964? I think.
Could have been 65. Not easy for a kid caught up between Red Sox and Yankee
manias. Then it was sowed up for life when Johnny Lee Bench became my all time
baseball hero.
Had some great years as a kid-Reds-fan.
The adult relationship hasn't been that good. But I will always  maintain.

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:09:26 EST
To: DirectorTH@aol.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Hmmmm, how about ERROR, Eternal Roster Respective of Reds.

I hear the same chatter from time to time about looking forward. It takes a
dynasty to replace a dynasty.

Ok, somehow I must have replied without typing anything...here's what
I  STARTED to type:

Glad to know there's another Big Red Machine fan  out there. I know
Gersh is a Reds fan, & John Stamper shared his  feelings about the
Reds too. Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their  money!

I've been hoooked on the Reds since my earliest baseball memory -
attending a Reds game in Crosley field (69? 68?), and then watching
them  get robbed in the 1970 Series - first by Brooks Robinosn's glove
work, and  then by Ken Burkhardt calling Bernie Carbo out at the
plate - with his back  turned. I have the SI photo of Ellie Hendricks
tagging Carbo with an empty  glove & tagging Burkhardt with the
baseball burned into my  brain.

I hated Gene Tenace in 72...hated the stinkin' Mets in the 73
playoffs - but redemption came in 75 & 76 (we were mugged in 81 with
the split season, but I don't want to even get into that). Cincy talk
radio is filled with know-it-alls who say we need to stop re-living
the  BRM. Why? They were among the best, if not the best, dynasty in
baseball  history.

The last few years have indeed made it tough to be a Reds fan.  At
least there's a glimmer of hope with our young pitching & Joey Votto
& Jay Bruce.

Take care,
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 15:30:33 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

Athletics: Silva
Braves: Holland, Moleta(2), Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Goto, Hattox, Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath(1)
Giants: Griffin
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed, Saxton(1)
Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens, Newman
Orioles: Betza(2), McGowan, Schott
Padres: Stamper(2)
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2), Saxton(3)
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick, Saxton(2)
Red Sox: Conway, Corvello, Donaldson, Freedman, Knowles, Parker(2),
Rice, Rittenberg, Thomas, Valacak(1)
Reds: Bannon, Housley, Newcomb, Pillion, Stamper(1)
Tigers: Codere, Distelrath(2), Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Johnson, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Moleta(1), Rumley-Wells(1),
Stufflestreet, West

And then there are those who don't like to be 'put in a box.'
Jim Beauchemin says he is equal parts Tigers, Astros, Yankees and
Mets!  Plus Kent Goto said that although he was a Cardinals fan all
the way, he also likes the Dodgers, Giants and A's, plus his favorite
AL team is the Red Sox.

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:42:06 EST
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: larrygers@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

Of course a youngster like yourself would refer to my favorite
team as only the "Reds", I grew up with Redlegs or Big Red Machine.
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:49:35 EST
To: LARRYGERS@aol.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

Hey Gersh, we are both 50 something! I was locked in as a Reds fan by the
BRM but finding a working acronym with a ring to it is tough. I thought ERROR
was pretty clever, although I guess it is a negative term.

Happy Merry to all, Reds fans first!!
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 07:52:22 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Glenn Codere 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

Now that's interesting.....

When we had the great FOOT gathering of 2008 in Mike Mroz' house, Earl Kilbourn regaled us with stories of how he used to go down to Recreation Park to cheer on Dan Brouthers and the Detroit Wolverines.

From: "larrygers@aol.com" 
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:42:06 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

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Of course a youngster like yourself would refer to my favorite
team as only the "Reds", I grew up with Redlegs or Big Red Machine.

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To: biggies@aol.com, DirectorTH@aol.com
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:29:30 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

"Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!"

Criteria #7 in The Official Foot Manual states that FOOT members shall "Pledge full time fealty to the Tigers." Therefore all FOOT members should be added to the Tigers list. So here it is: Codere, Dahms, Guthrie, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Moore, Mroz, Paris, Perry, Rich, Talbot & Wainwright. If my math is right that would be 12.
Now, should we get technical we could add Mead, Rainsley & Calvert whose second favorite team would be the Tigers as per TOE Membership criteria #4 which states members shall "Pledge fealty to and root for the Tigers except when playing TOE's favorite team." That would bring the total to 15 which ironically corresponds with the number of losses our Lions have on the way to a purrfect 0-16.

We may have high crime, high unemployment and high factory worker's salaries but us Tiger fans are well represented in OBC.
"We Keep what we give away"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: biggies@aol.com
Hmmmm, how about ERROR, Eternal Roster Respective of Reds.

I hear the same chatter from time to time about looking forward. It takes a dynasty to replace a dynasty.

Ok, somehow I must have replied without typing anything...here's what
I STARTED to type:

Glad to know there's another Big Red Machine fan out there. I know
Gersh is a Reds fan, & John Stamper shared his feelings about the
Reds too. Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!

I've been hoooked on the Reds since my earliest baseball memory -
attending a Reds game in Crosley field (69? 68?), and then watching
them get robbed in the 1970 Series - first by Brooks Robinosn's glove
work, and then by Ken Burkhardt calling Bernie Carbo out at the
plate - with his back turned. I have the SI photo of Ellie Hendricks
tagging Carbo with an empty glove & tagging Burkhardt with the
baseball burned into my brain.

I hated Gene Tenace in 72...hated the stinkin' Mets in the 73
playoffs - but redemption came in 75 & 76 (we were mugged in 81 with
the split season, but I don't want to even get into that). Cincy talk
radio is filled with know-it-alls who say we need to stop re-living
the BRM. Why? They were among the best, if not the best, dynasty in
baseball history.

The last few years have indeed made it tough to be a Reds fan. At
least there's a glimmer of hope with our young pitching & Joey Votto
& Jay Bruce.

Take care,

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To: , , 
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 10:52:45 -0600
From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Growing up, it was the LA Dodgers.  I'll still vote for the 70's version.

Fr. Pat

Merry Christmas, Happy Channukah to you all!
To: biggies@aol.com; DirectorTH@aol.com
CC: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 16:29:30 +0000
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

"Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!"

Criteria #7 in The Official Foot Manual states that FOOT members shall "Pledge
full time fealty to the Tigers." Therefore all FOOT members should be added
to the Tigers list. So here it is: Codere, Dahms, Guthrie, Kilbourn, McLaughlin,
Moore, Mroz, Paris, Perry, Rich, Talbot & Wainwright. If my math
is right that would be 12.
Now, should we get technical we could add Mead, Rainsley & Calvert whose second
favorite team would be the Tigers as per TOE Membership criteria #4 which
states members shall "Pledge fealty to and root for the Tigers except when
playing TOE's favorite team." That would bring the total to 15 which ironically
corresponds with the number of losses our Lions have on the way toa
purrfect 0-16.

We may have high crime, high unemployment and high factory worker's salaries
but us Tiger fans are well represented in OBC.
"We Keep what we give away"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: biggies@aol.com

Hmmmm, how about ERROR, Eternal Roster Respective of Reds.

I hear the same chatter from time to time about looking forward. It takes adynasty
to replace a dynasty.

Ok, somehow I must have replied without typing anything...here's what
I STARTED to type:

Glad to know there's another Big Red Machine fan out there. I know
Gersh is a Reds fan, & John Stamper shared his feelings about the
Reds too. Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!

I've been hoooked on the Reds since my earliest baseball memory -
attending a Reds game in Crosley field (69? 68?), and then watching
them get robbed in the 1970 Series - first by Brooks Robinosn's glove
work, and then by Ken Burkhardt calling Bernie Carbo out at the
plate - with his back turned. I have the SI photo of Ellie Hendricks
tagging Carbo with an empty glove & tagging Burkhardt with the
baseball burned into my brain.

I hated Gene Tenace in 72...hated the stinkin' Mets in the 73
playoffs - but redemption came in 75 & 76 (we were mugged in 81 with
the split season, but I don't want to even get into that). Cin
cy talk
radio is filled with know-it-alls who say we need to stop re-living
the BRM. Why? They were among the best, if not the best, dynasty in
baseball history.

The last few years have indeed made it tough to be a Reds fan. At
least there's a glimmer of hope with our young pitching & Joey Votto
& Jay Bruce.

Take care,

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To: Glenn Codere , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:10:34 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

Yes, the good old days! Did I tell you FOOTs about when the Wolverines won the National League Pennant in 1887? What a celebration we had, and nary a car was turned over or set on fire! To this day I can look out my window on the Senility Ward of Detroit Medical Center and remember the bygone days of yesteryear. As all FOOTs would know, the DMC is located at what was once left field, which is why I feel so at home here.

"We Keep what we give away"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Glenn Codere 
Now that's interesting.....

When we had the great FOOT gathering of 2008 in Mike Mroz' house, Earl Kilbourn regaled us with stories of how he used to go down to Recreation Park to cheer on Dan Brouthers and the Detroit Wolverines.

From: "larrygers@aol.com" 
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 3:42:06 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...

Of course a youngster like yourself would refer to my favorite
team as only the "Reds", I grew up with Redlegs or Big Red Machine.

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBCRamblings)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:32:48 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Groups servers

To whom it may concern,
I know I have been a PITA of late, however I am still unable to verify my new email address with yahoo Groups. Should I contact yahoo or is this on our end. I think my Comcast email will be canceled tomorrow so any response should go to my new address: originaleek1@att.net
Meanwhile I will try again to reach yahoo.
"We Keep what we give away"
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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:29:27 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: Anyone in Tucson?

Hey Gang,
Happy Holidays.  The last few days have been hectic, but my family
and I finally made it out to Tucson to visit the in-laws.  We spent
the weekend in Soutwestern Michigan for my family's Christmas party.
A major snow storm hit on Sunday, making travel too dangerous.  We
waited out the storm and headed back to Chicago Monday, hoping on our
flight at Midway airport and arriving here in Tucson last night.
It's great to get out of the midwest right now, and my in-laws
couldn't be happier to see their grandson.

The crazy travel did have one drawback.  I was never able to get back
to my house in Hoffman Estates to pack. My wife and son were laready
packed for the trip when we left for Michigan.  I had intended on
going home Sunday, packing, and bringing our dogs down to my parents
house.  Don't worry, the dogs have been picked up and are living
dream right now at my folks house.  Because I didn't pack, I didn't
bring any of my goodies - notably my secret santa envelope.  So,
whoever has me, I will be opening on Jan 2, and I will give proper
thanks at that time.

Now, my question for the OBC group.  Are there any good card shops
close to Tucson.  I have visited two in the past, and intend on
hitting a few some time after Thursday.  We will be here for a few
days, so if anyone can recommend anything, I would appreciate it.
Also, if anyone is close by and wants to meet up, let me know.

Hope all is well with everyone and safe travels to anyone who is
traveling for the holidays.

=================

Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:55:16 +0000 (UTC)
To: smartalecx@aol.com
From: tvalacak@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 40 reporting...

Thanks for sticking up for me Gary. Red Sox have been number one for my
since 1986 - after the ball rolled through BIlly's legs. At that
time, the Red Sox were second favorite to the White Sox. I was born
in toa White Sox family, but started following the red Sox in 1983
when Boggs was a rookie. I collected as many of his
cards as I could. I would have my dad take me to Comiskey Park
to see the red Sox when they were in town so I could see Boggs. In1986,
I was a freshman in high school at Brother rice High School inChicago.
A few of my buddies were Mets fans. Man, did they letme
have it. They must have bought 10 newspapers, because everyday I would
come to school, there would be a picture of that ball going through the
legs. I would tear it down, but there would be a new one up the next
day. These guys were harsh, adn I either needed to defend the Sox,or
ditch them. I defended them, a bit much at times, and that reallykicked
them to the number one spot. I knew that the next year when Irooted
for the Red Sox to beat the White Sox. So, even though I wasn't
born into it, I am a diehard Red Sox fan. The White Sox still takethe
number two spot. As for Boggs, I sent him an invite to my wedding
back in 200. He responded. He said no, but he threw in an autographed
red Sox card. What a guy.

T.J. Valacak
OBC member since August 2005
http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: smartalecx@aol.com
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 2:14:19 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 40 reporting...

If TJ is listing the White Sox ahead of the Red Sox as his favorites, thereis
something fishy going on here!

In a message dated 12/22/2008 3:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, uthminsta@hotmail.com

Early returns have the Tigers out in front, with six true devotees.
Good job, FOOT.

Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Distelrath
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2)
Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Betza(2), Schott
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick
Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg, Valacak(2)
Reds: Newcomb
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(1)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead

Angels, Astros, Athletics, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Giants, Marlins,
Nationals, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Royals apparently have
no support... yet.

If TJ is listing the White Sox ahead of the Red Sox as his favorites, thereis
something fishy going on here!

In a message dated 12/22/2008 3:05:52 P.M. Central Standard Time, uthminsta@hotmail.com

Early returns have the Tigers out in front, with six true devotees.
Good job, FOOT.

Braves: Holland, Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Distelrath
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2)
Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Gioia, Martens
Orioles: Betza(2), Schott
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick
Red Sox: Corvello, Donaldson, Knowles, Parker(2), Rittenberg, Valacak(2)
Reds: Newcomb
Tigers: Codere, Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(1)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead

Angels, Astros, Athletics, Blue Jays, D-Backs, Giants, Marlins,
Nationals, Padres, Rangers, Rays, Rockies and Royals apparently have
no support... yet.

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:36:35 -0800
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "MIKE DIAMANTI" 
Subject: Favorite Teams
Content-Disposition: inline

Well Gals & Guys:
My favorites?  First it was the Twins, then Rod Carew, then the Twins
Next it was the Mariners, Griffey, and the '95 Mariners.
Since then it's been friggin' agony.  Watching the Mariners die a slow death
over the past 6-7 years has been awful.  But I just can't shake my American
League roots.  I will say though, that watching the Mets is a hell of a lot
like watching the Mariners...
So since I can't stop the pain, and am getting used to it, I will go with
the Mariners and Mets.  Apologies to Grant and the Familytoad...
Mike Why-can't-the-damn-M's-win-Oh-Montee

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 11:44:14 -0800
To: uthminsta1 
From: GRANT RAINSLEY 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...
Content-Disposition: inline

Okay, I started withe  Reds when they had Robby....swore I would never cheer for them again after the trade.....but relented for the Big Red Machine, then bailed on them again.....and here I go with today, and I knew I was going to be alone.....ever since the Halos picked up Carew, the Angels have been my team. I believe the fan base for the Angels in OBC is now........one.

----- Original Message -----
From: uthminsta1 
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 7:30 am
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 63 reporting...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com

> Athletics: Silva
> Braves: Holland, Moleta(2), Parker(1), Shirley
> Brewers: Wierzbicki
> Cardinals: Goto, Hattox, Keating
> Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
> Dodgers: Calvert, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath(1)
> Giants: Griffin
> Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed, Saxton(1)
> Mariners: Glidden, Lyons
> Mets: Gioia, Martens, Newman
> Orioles: Betza(2), McGowan, Schott
> Padres: Stamper(2)
> Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2), Saxton(3)
> Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick, Saxton(2)
> Red Sox: Conway, Corvello, Donaldson, Freedman, Knowles, Parker(2),
> Rice, Rittenberg, Thomas, Valacak(1)
> Reds: Bannon, Housley, Newcomb, Pillion, Stamper(1)
> Tigers: Codere, Distelrath(2), Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Mroz, Mura,
> TalbotTwins: DeJong, Johnson, Luurs, Wiehe
> White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
> Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Moleta(1), Rumley-Wells(1),
> Stufflestreet, West
> And then there are those who don't like to be 'put in a box.'
> Jim Beauchemin says he is equal parts Tigers, Astros, Yankees and
> Mets!  Plus Kent Goto said that although he was a Cardinals
> fan all
> the way, he also likes the Dodgers, Giants and A's, plus his favorite
> AL team is the Red Sox.

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Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 21:39:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

At least I THINK it's 70 reporting.  The lists are getting a bit
longer and I may have miscounted.  My apologies if I've left anyone
off; just email me again if you're not represented.  This is fun,
isn't it?

Angels: Rainsley
Athletics: Silva
Braves: Holland, Moleta(2), Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Goto, Hattox, Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Cook, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath(1), Wattigny
Giants: Griffin
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed, Saxton(1)
Mariners: Diamanti(1), Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Diamanti(2), Gioia, Martens, Newman
Orioles: Betza(2), McGowan, Schott
Padres: Stamper(2)
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2), Saxton(3)
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick, Saxton(2)
Red Sox: Conway, Corvello, Donaldson, Freedman, Knowles, Parker(2),
Rice, Rittenberg, Thomas, Valacak(1)
Reds: Bannon, Gersbach, Housley, Newcomb, Pillion, Stamper(1)
Tigers: Codere, Dahms, Distelrath(2), Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Moore,
Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Johnson, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Moleta(1), Rumley-Wells(1),
Stufflestreet, West

Beauchemin: equal parts Tigers, Astros, Yankees, Mets!
Goto: also Dodgers, Giants, A's, Red Sox

Despite certain "data manipulation" attempts from Tiger fans, I still
have the Red Sox with 9 "first place" votes, Tigers 8, Yankees 7, Reds
6.  Veddy eenteresting.

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To: 
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 18:55:32 -0800
From: "Grant Rainsley" 
Subject: Greenies...

Okay, Peter Mead finally coerced me into wading into this nightmare..as
I recall, I was the first guy in OBC these damn things drove crazy.
There have been lots of us since, and I'm glad I'm not alone. It's all
Billy Hoeft's fault, he really started it. Damn #134. Not only the
tints, but the variations took over a sizeable portion of what I call my
life. Has anyone else got 3 versions of Checklist 7? I'm looking for #4,
it's bound to be out there somewhere...and I'm convinced there is a
variation of Checklist 2, but haven't got one, but I know it's out
there.somewhere. It's like being paranoid, they don't have to be
following you, but you know they are.

Side note: Yanks sign Texiera, and now I hate them more than ever. A pox
upon them.

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 04:35:13 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Ron Perry 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

It's the Tigers.

I believe FOOT may be the only subgroup within OBC with its own rules, official manual, fests and feasts.  FOOT also has its own subgroup TOE which is open to all, except "Yankees fans may be ineligible altogether we haven't decided yet".  Quoted from The Official FOOT Manual.

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:07:07 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Mike Mroz" 
Subject: Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

I agree.  Tigers all the way...  I just did a quick check of the HOMer
list and 9 of 54 inductees are Tigers - that's pretty impressive.
BTW, it looks like Mr. Rich's name does not appear on the Tiger's
list.  I think we can safely say that he is a Tiger's fan.

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Ron Perry  wrote:
> It's the Tigers.
> I believe FOOT may be the only subgroup within OBC with its own
rules, official manual, fests and feasts.  FOOT also has its own
subgroup TOE which is open to all, except "Yankees fans may be
ineligible altogether we haven't decided yet".  Quoted from The
Official FOOT Manual.
> Ron

=================

To: "Mike Mroz" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 13:56:07 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

I agree Mr Oz, we can definitely count on Mike Rich. Lets not forget Chuck Paris who is out of town for the holidays but asked me to submit the Tigers as his favorite team in his absence. That's the truth, I should know I made it up myself. FOOT rules! (Get it, rules as in ruler that you measure with. Oh never mind, if I gotta explain it.....).

At any rate, from the Kilbourn family to the OBC family, have a very Happy Holiday Season!

"We Keep what we give away"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mike Mroz" 
I agree. Tigers all the way... I just did a quick check of the HOMer
list and 9 of 54 inductees are Tigers - that's pretty impressive.
BTW, it looks like Mr. Rich's name does not appear on the Tiger's
list. I think we can safely say that he is a Tiger's fan.

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Ron Perry  wrote:
> It's the Tigers.
> I believe FOOT may be the only subgroup within OBC with its own
rules, official manual, fests and feasts. FOOT also has its own
subgroup TOE which is open to all, except "Yankees fans may be
ineligible altogether we haven't decided yet". Quoted from The
Official FOOT Manual.
> Ron

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 05:59:56 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC Ramblings 
From: Glenn Codere 
Subject: All the best from Scotland

To everyone in OBC.......

My very best wishes for a happy holiday season, and a safe, healthy and prosperous 2009!!

May all your cardboard dreams come true!!

Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 07:11:01 -0800 (PST)
To: Bob Bannon , Tom Housley ,
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Let's get Jeff Whitworth to add his vote here. I can tell by his website that
he is a Redlegs fan. Any other Big Red Machine Fans out there?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, biggies@aol.com  wrote:

From: biggies@aol.com 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...
To: DirectorTH@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:09 AM

Hmmmm, how about ERROR, Eternal Roster Respective of Reds.

I hear the same chatter from time to time about looking forward. It takes adynasty
to replace a dynasty.

Ok, somehow I must have replied without typing anything...here' s what
I STARTED to type:

Glad to know there's another Big Red Machine fan out there. I know
Gersh is a Reds fan, & John Stamper shared his feelings about the
Reds too. Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!

I've been hoooked on the Reds since my earliest baseball memory -
attending a Reds game in Crosley field (69? 68?), and then watching
them get robbed in the 1970 Series - first by Brooks Robinosn's glove
work, and then by Ken Burkhardt calling Bernie Carbo out at the
plate - with his back turned. I have the SI photo of Ellie Hendricks
tagging Carbo with an empty glove & tagging Burkhardt with the
baseball burned into my brain.

I hated Gene Tenace in 72...hated the stinkin' Mets in the 73
playoffs - but redemption came in 75 & 76 (we were mugged in 81 with
the split season, but I don't want to even get into that). Cincy talk
radio is filled with know-it-alls who say we need to stop re-living
the BRM. Why? They were among the best, if not the best, dynasty in
baseball history.

The last few years have indeed made it tough to be a Reds fan. At
least there's a glimmer of hope with our young pitching & Joey Votto
& Jay Bruce.

Take care,

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 12:25:26 -0800 (PST)
To: Bob Bannon , Tom Housley ,
From: Jeffrey Whitworth 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Thanks for the inclusion on this thread. Of course I am a huge Reds fan, always
have been.
I grew up in Louisville following the Big Red Machine and going toRiverfront
Stadiumevery couple of weeks. Was there another team in the 70's? Iam,
like many other Reds fans, entirely frustrated with the organization and
MLB currently. I am a member of the Bench trading site and there is a current
discussion (argument) on salary caps in MLB. Of course none of the Yankee,
Red Sox, or Mets fans think there needs to be control over spending in
MLB. While us "smaller market" fans are tired of losing.

I hope everyone gets cards from Santa!!!!

Jeff W
--- On Wed, 12/24/08, John Stamper  wrote:

From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...
To: "Bob Bannon" , "Tom Housley" , larrygers@aol.com,
"Tim Newcomb" , "Ken Pillion" ,
"Jeff Whitworth" 
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:11 AM

Let's get Jeff Whitworth to add his vote here. I can tell by his website that
he is a Redlegs fan. Any other Big Red Machine Fans out there?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, biggies@aol.com  wrote:

From: biggies@aol.com 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...
To: DirectorTH@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:09 AM

Hmmmm, how about ERROR, Eternal Roster Respective of Reds.

I hear the same chatter from time to time about looking forward. It takes adynasty
to replace a dynasty.

Ok, somehow I must have replied without typing anything...here' s what
I STARTED to type:

Glad to know there's another Big Red Machine fan out there. I know
Gersh is a Reds fan, & John Stamper shared his feelings about the
Reds too. Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!

I've been hoooked on the Reds since my earliest baseball memory -
attending a Reds game in Crosley field (69? 68?), and then watching
them get robbed in the 1970 Series - first by Brooks Robinosn's glove
work, and then by Ken Burkhardt calling Bernie Carbo out at the
plate - with his back turned. I have the SI photo of Ellie Hendricks
tagging Carbo with an empty glove & tagging Burkhardt with the
baseball burned into my brain.

I hated Gene Tenace in 72...hated the stinkin' Mets in the 73
playoffs - but redemption came in 75 & 76 (we were mugged in 81 with
the split season, but I don't want to even get into that). Cincy talk
radio is filled with know-it-alls who say we need to stop re-living
the BRM. Why? They were among the best, if not the best, dynasty in
baseball history.

The last few years have indeed made it tough to be a Reds fan. At
least there's a glimmer of hope with our young pitching & Joey Votto
& Jay Bruce.

Take care,

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail.
Try it now.

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:42:40 EST
To: grains@shaw.ca, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Greenies...
Content-Language: en

I think I gave you the third version so I know I had one.  I  remember the
nice words you gave me when I sent you the variation (cant  be repeated because
of men of the clothe being brethren.  Since that  time I quit looking for fear
of finding more. to tick my wife off)

In a message dated 12/23/2008 8:56:00 P.M. Central Standard Time,
grains@shaw.ca writes:

Okay, Peter Mead  finally coerced me into wading into this nightmare=E2=A6.as
recall, I was the first guy in OBC these damn things  drove crazy. There have
been lots of us since, and I=E2=99m glad I=E2=99m not  alone. It=E2=99s
all Billy Hoeft=E2=99s
fault, he really started it. Damn #134. Not only the  tints, but the variations
took over a sizeable portion of  what I call my life. Has anyone else got 3
versions of  Checklist 7? I=E2=99m looking for #4, it

=E2=99s bound to be out there somewhere=E2=A6..and I=E2=99m convinced
there  is a variation
of Checklist 2, but haven=E2=99t got one, but I know it=E2=99s out there=E2=A6somewhere.
=E2=99s like being paranoid, they don=E2=99t have to be following you,
but you know
they  are.
Side note: Yanks sign  Texiera, and now I hate them more than ever. A pox
upon  them.

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:49:28 +0000 (UTC)
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com
From: tvalacak@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Are you telling me that there are people out there that truly believe the current
structure of major league baseball is good? As a Red Sox fan and
a baseball fan, it sucks. I'm just glad Boston has the resources to
put a competitive team out there each year. MLB should take some lessons
fromthe NFL.

T.J. Valacak
OBC member since August 2005
http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacak.htm

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jeffrey Whitworth" 
To: "Bob Bannon" , "Tom Housley" , larrygers@aol.com,
"Tim Newcomb" , "Ken Pillion" ,
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 1:25:26 PM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time(Arizona)
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Thanks for the inclusion on this thread. Of course I am a huge Reds fan, always
have been.
I grew up in Louisville following the Big Red Machine and going toRiverfront
Stadiumevery couple of weeks. Was there another team in the 70's?
I am, like many other Reds fans, entirely frustrated with the organization
and MLB currently. I am a member of the Bench trading site and there is
a current discussion (argument) on salary caps in MLB. Of course none of the
Yankee, Red Sox, or Mets fans think there needs to be control over spending
in MLB. While us "smaller market" fans are tired of losing.

I hope everyone gets cards from Santa!!!!

Jeff W
--- On Wed, 12/24/08, John Stamper  wrote:

From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...
To: "Bob Bannon" , "Tom Housley" , larrygers@aol.com,
"Tim Newcomb" , "Ken Pillion" ,
"Jeff Whitworth" 
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 8:11 AM

Let's get Jeff Whitworth to add his vote here. I can tell by his website that
he is a Redlegs fan. Any other Big Red Machine Fans out there?

--- On Tue, 12/23/08, biggies@aol.com  wrote:

From: biggies@aol.com 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...
To: DirectorTH@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, December 23, 2008, 7:09 AM

Hmmmm, how about ERROR, Eternal Roster Respective of Reds.

I hear the same chatter from time to time about looking forward. It takes adynasty
to replace a dynasty.

Ok, somehow I must have replied without typing anything...here' s what
I STARTED to type:

Glad to know there's another Big Red Machine fan out there. I know
Gersh is a Reds fan, & John Stamper shared his feelings about the
Reds too. Maybe we can give FOOT a run for their money!

I've been hoooked on the Reds since my earliest baseball memory -
attending a Reds game in Crosley field (69? 68?), and then watching
them get robbed in the 1970 Series - first by Brooks Robinosn's glove
work, and then by Ken Burkhardt calling Bernie Carbo out at the
plate - with his back turned. I have the SI photo of Ellie Hendricks
tagging Carbo with an empty glove & tagging Burkhardt with the
baseball burned into my brain.

I hated Gene Tenace in 72...hated the stinkin' Mets in the 73
playoffs - but redemption came in 75 & 76 (we were mugged in 81 with
the split season, but I don't want to even get into that). Cincy talk
radio is filled with know-it-alls who say we need to stop re-living
the BRM. Why? They were among the best, if not the best, dynasty in
baseball history.

The last few years have indeed made it tough to be a Reds fan. At
least there's a glimmer of hope with our young pitching & Joey Votto
& Jay Bruce.

Take care,

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo Mail.
Try it now .

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:40:05 EST
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, LARRYGERS@aol.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my hobby.

I am NOT a baseball fan. I was a huge fan of baseball up till 1995 or  so.
After 2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily bombardments of monetary
histrionics capped by pricing the average Joe and his 2 sons out of attending  more
than 1 or 2 games a season, if that. I may be the only collector trader in  our
group that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak of it much.
On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no better
history than the biography of the players on the cardboard that we  collect.
Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the player, created
a league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I get sucked into a Reds game
or 2 each year so I can size up their talent and yes, its impossible to not
watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the World Series, but that's it.
I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the game for  me.
I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and take myself through the
first 100 years or so of baseball and think its the greatest thing ever.

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To: ,
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:52:53 -0500
From: "Mark Holland" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

The best baseball to watch now is the minor leagues.   I drive 90 miles to see
minor league games but won't turn on the TV to watch a major league game.
At the minor league park the players are friendly and chat with fans and
sign autographs.  You can get in for $4 or $5 and get a bag of peanuts and
a drink for $5 more. Our local ballpark is 53 years old with an wooden overhang.
On weeknights I can have the whole back row to myself.  I sit up there
to catch the evening breeze.  It is so relaxing (except for the cell phone).

Too bad the major league decision makes can't read this rambling.  I believe
our assessment of the game is accurate.  Who really cares anymore?  I am struggling
to remember who played in the World Series this year.

Great rambling, keep it going!
Merry Christmas!

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol.com
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my hobby.

I am NOT a baseball fan. I was a huge fan of baseball up till 1995 or so.After
2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily bombardments of monetary histrionics
capped by pricing the average Joe and his 2 sons out of attending more
than 1 or 2 games a season, if that. I may be the only collector traderin
our group that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak of it much.
On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no better history
than the biography of the players on the cardboard that we collect.
Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the player, created
a league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I get sucked into a Reds
game or 2 each year so I can size up their talent and yes, its impossibleto
not watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the World Series, but that's it.
I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the game for me.
I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and take myself through the
first 100 years or so of baseball and think its the greatest thing ever.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo
Mail. Try it now.

=================

To: ,
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 19:18:45 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

This is just about verbatim what I would have said.  I have season tickets to
the Tigers short-season class A team in Oneonta, about 60 miles away, aneasy,
traffic-free drive the whole way on a beautiful, well-kept and scenic
interstate route.  It's a classic old ballpark, dating back to the 40's, just
as Mark described his.  I love it there.  They keep the between innings
stuff to a minimum.  As the website used to say, "what you get here is baseball,
and only baseball".  If you want to see dancing mascots between innings,
this isn't it.    My wife and I go to the top row of the "bleachers" (would
be called "luxury boxes" anywhere else) down the third baseline, andhave
the whole row to ourselves most nights.  We get a nice view of the sunset
over Franklin Mountain.

The same route, if I stayed on it, would also take me to Binghamton to see the
AA Mets, or to Scranton to see the AAA Yankees, which I also do severaltimes
a year.  We also have the Astros short-season A team about 30 miles from
my house.  I used to have season tickets to their games also, but the drive
is through some nasty traffic, and they spend too much time on fluff,and
not enough promoting the team or the game.  Still, I went to several of
their games last year, when the Tigers weren't home.  The league's all-star
game was also there, which I got to see.

Or, I could stay up until 2:00 in the morning, to watch the World Series ina
freezing rainstorm.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Holland
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com ; biggies@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

The best baseball to watch now is the minor leagues.   I drive 90 miles to
see minor league games but won't turn on the TV to watch a major league game.
At the minor league park the players are friendly and chat with fans and
sign autographs.  You can get in for $4 or $5 and get a bag of peanuts and
a drink for $5 more. Our local ballpark is 53 years old with an wooden overhang.
On weeknights I can have the whole back row to myself.  I sit upthere
to catch the evening breeze.  It is so relaxing (except for the cellphone).

Too bad the major league decision makes can't read this rambling.  I believe
our assessment of the game is accurate.  Who really cares anymore?  I am
struggling to remember who played in the World Series this year.

Great rambling, keep it going!
Merry Christmas!

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol.com
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my hobby.

I am NOT a baseball fan. I was a huge fan of baseball up till 1995 or so.
After 2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily bombardments of monetary histrionics
capped by pricing the average Joe and his 2 sons out of attendingmore
than 1 or 2 games a season, if that. I may be the only collector trader
in our group that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak of it much.
On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no betterhistory
than the biography of the players on the cardboard that we collect.
Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the player, created
a league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I get sucked into a Reds
game or 2 each year so I can size up their talent and yes, its impossible
to not watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the World Series, but that's it.
I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the game for
me. I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and take myself throughthe
first 100 years or so of baseball and think its the greatest thing ever.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo
Mail. Try it now.

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Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 00:29:46 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Richard Dingman" 
Subject: Baseball fans

BB - You are not alone.

I stopped to think when asked what is my favorite team.  I answered
Dodgers, but clarified it with "Brooklyn".  There is no team anymore
to which I pay any particular attention.

Everything I most love about baseball is dead, though that does not
diminish my appreciation for the sport, the history, the nostalgia
for what it meant to me as a kid, and, of course, the esthetics and
joy of collecting and trading cards.

What killed it for me?  I suppose it was money as well.  It was my
awakening to the essential economic underpinnings of American (human)
life, and to the presence of greed and arrogance in the world.  I was
an all-out, full-bore, single-minded, and innocent baseball nut as a
kid, lived and breathed it, listened to Mel Allen on the radio
religiously.  I can still hear his syrupy voice.  Then the Bums moved
to the coast, and my world collapsed.  I never got over it, not to
this day.  I know I sound like just another grumpy guy growing old,
but there it is.

It was an unsuspecting bite from the apple off the tree of knowledge,
forced down a pure throat.  And though I never will argue that it is
better to be ignorant of one's world, it remains a bitter taste.

Merry Christmas.

Richard D

=================

To: ,
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:06:52 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

OK, I'm a homer - still rooting for the MARINERS!

But I grew up in an era where there was no West Coast MLB.  My favorite team
was, and forever will be the Seattle Rainiers.  Had the Dodgers not defected
to LA, the PCL may well have become a major league but alas, that didn't
happen.  So, I did adopt Boston and Cincinnati because they were the Rainiers'
major league affiliates at one point or another (I still root for those
teams, expecially the Red Sox).  But the main major league team I rootedfor
was the Yankees (Mantle, Berra, Ford, Skowren, et. al.).  I think one reason
behind this was my mother was a Dodgers fan!  These days, of course,the
Yankees are considered bad berries by Mariner fans

-Dave Fallen

.----- Original Message -----
From: uthminsta1
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

At least I THINK it's 70 reporting. The lists are getting a bit
longer and I may have miscounted. My apologies if I've left anyone
off; just email me again if you're not represented. This is fun,
isn't it?

Angels: Rainsley
Athletics: Silva
Braves: Holland, Moleta(2), Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Goto, Hattox, Keating
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Cook, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath(1), Wattigny
Giants: Griffin
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed, Saxton(1)
Mariners: Diamanti(1), Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Diamanti(2), Gioia, Martens, Newman
Orioles: Betza(2), McGowan, Schott
Padres: Stamper(2)
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2), Saxton(3)
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick, Saxton(2)
Red Sox: Conway, Corvello, Donaldson, Freedman, Knowles, Parker(2),
Rice, Rittenberg, Thomas, Valacak(1)
Reds: Bannon, Gersbach, Housley, Newcomb, Pillion, Stamper(1)
Tigers: Codere, Dahms, Distelrath(2), Kilbourn, McLaughlin, Moore,
Mroz, Mura, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Johnson, Luurs, Wiehe
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Moleta(1), Rumley-Wells(1),
Stufflestreet, West

Beauchemin: equal parts Tigers, Astros, Yankees, Mets!
Goto: also Dodgers, Giants, A's, Red Sox

Despite certain "data manipulation" attempts from Tiger fans, I still
have the Red Sox with 9 "first place" votes, Tigers 8, Yankees 7, Reds
6. Veddy eenteresting.

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 17:22:33 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Lynn Miller 
Subject: Favorite Team

My favorite player is Hank Aaron, my favorite team would be Dddduuuhhhhh???
De Braves! Although I do have a liking also for the Padres as I watched
many games while stationed in San Diego in the 70's and those good years
they had with Dave Winfield (read my bio), Randy Jones, et al. And there's
still a soft spot in my heart for the Phillies as the hometown team growing
up in Wilmington DE and going to my first professional bsallgames at old
Connie Mack Stadium with my grandfather. But the Braves are my team.

=================

To: ,
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:42:28 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team

This would be a great subject for the next thread.  Where and when did everyone
see their first game?  Mine was at Jarry Park in Montreal, May 24, 1970,
Pirates and the Expos.  I was already 15 at the time.   My dad and I didn't
get along, so a neighbor finally took pity on me and brought me along with
his son.  What a great, wide-eyed time I had.  Looking back at the stadium
now, it was tiny, cramped and usually cold, but at the time, it was thegreatest
thing I'd ever seen, and I loved it.  Manny Sanguillen hit "my" first
homer, Bob Veale struck out 10 in pitching a 3-hit shutout.  He pitched
something known as a "complete game", as it was known back then.

I went back as often as I could until I moved out of the area in 1978, also
got to see the second game at "new" Olympic Stadium in 1977.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Miller
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team

My favorite player is Hank Aaron, my favorite team would be Dddduuuhhhhh???
De Braves!  Although I do have a liking also for the Padres as I watched
many games while stationed in San Diego in the 70's and those good years they
had with Dave Winfield (read my bio), Randy Jones, et al.  And there'sstill
a soft spot in my heart for the Phillies as the hometown team growing
up in Wilmington DE and going to my first professional bsallgames at old Connie
Mack Stadium with my grandfather.  But the Braves are my team.   Lynn

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 04:05:23 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 78 reporting...

Tigers have taken over the lead, with 11 votes.  Red Sox 9, then
Yankees and Reds with 7.  Twins have a respectable 5 votes.
Here's the tally again:

Angels: Rainsley
Athletics: Silva
Braves: Holland, Miller, Moleta(2), Parker(1), Shirley
Brewers: Wierzbicki
Cardinals: Goto, Hattox, Keating, Zentkovich
Cubs: Mandell(1), Wagner
Dodgers: Calvert, Cook, Dingman(Brooklyn only), Distelrath(1), Wattigny
Giants: Griffin
Indians: Leroux, Malson, Mandell(2), Reed, Saxton(1)
Mariners: Diamanti(1), Fallen, Glidden, Lyons
Mets: Diamanti(2), Gioia, Martens(1), Newman
Orioles: Betza(2), McGowan, Schott
Padres: Stamper(2)
Phillies: Labs, Levine, Lindholme, Morgan, Rumley-Wells(2), Saxton(3)
Pirates: Betza(1), Dietrick, Saxton(2)
Red Sox: Conway, Corvello, Donaldson, Freedman, Knowles, Parker(2),
Rice, Rittenberg, Thomas, Valacak(1)
Reds: Bannon, Gersbach, Housley, Newcomb, Pillion, Stamper(1), Whitworth
Tigers: Codere, Dahms, Distelrath(2), Kilbourn, Martens(2),
McLaughlin, Moore, Mroz, Mura, Paris, Perry, Rich, Talbot
Twins: DeJong, Johnson, Luurs, Wiehe, Wubben
White Sox: Mandell(3), Valacak(2)
Yankees: Fitak, Gyselinck, Mead, Moleta(1), Rumley-Wells(1),
Stufflestreet, West

Merry Christmas.  55 minutes and counting.

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:06:39 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Lynn Miller ,
From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team

Although a life-long Cubs fan, my first game was actually at Busch Stadium when
my Dad went on a business trip and we all went along. I remember meeting
Bake McBride at a mall signing the day before...after that, it was about
a billion games at Wrigley!

Take Care,

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Jim Beauchemin  wrote:

From: Jim Beauchemin 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Lynn Miller" 
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 7:42 PM

This would be a great subject for the next thread. Where and when did everyone
see their first game? Mine was at Jarry Park in Montreal, May 24,1970,
Pirates and the Expos. I was already 15 at the time. My dadand
I didn't get along, so a neighbor finally took pity on me and brought me
along with his son. What a great, wide-eyed time I had. Looking back
at the stadium now, it was tiny, cramped and usually cold, but at the time,
it was the greatest thing I'd ever seen, and I loved it. Manny Sanguillen
hit "my" first homer, Bob Veale struck out 10in pitching a 3-hit shutout.
He pitched something known as a "complete game", as it was knownback

I went back as often as I could until I moved out of the area in 1978,
also got to see the second game at "new" Olympic Stadium in 1977.

----- Original Message -----
From: Lynn Miller
To: OBC-Ramblings@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:22 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team

My favorite player is Hank Aaron, my favorite team would be Dddduuuhhhhh? ??
De Braves! Although I do have a liking also for the Padres as I watched
many games while stationed in San Diego in the 70's and those good years
they had with Dave Winfield (read my bio), Randy Jones, et al. And there's
still a soft spot in my heart for the Phillies as the hometown team growing
up in Wilmington DE and going to my first professional bsallgames atold
Connie Mack Stadium with my grandfather. But the Braves are my team.

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:14:51 -0800 (PST)
To: DirectorTH@aol.com, LARRYGERS@aol.com, apspr@msn.com,
From: Jeffrey Whitworth 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

See, this is why I love this group so much. You guys make sense to me. We just
lost our AAA team in Tucson because of money. They moved toReno where
they could make more. But I have a local independent team here called the
Bisbee Copper Kings. They play at Warren Ballpark that many argue is the
oldest park in the US. http://www.warrenballpark.com/These kids are actually
pretty good and play just because they love the game and that=A2s it.
The ballpark gives me chills when I walk in to it. That's baseball to me and
I'd give just as much for a seat there as I would a seat in the Diamondbacks
stadium (whatever it's called this week).

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Jim Beauchemin  wrote:

From: Jim Beauchemin 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com, DirectorTH@aol.com, LARRYGERS@aol.com, apspr@msn.com,
kenpillion@windstream.net, john@holidayandhobbies.com, biggies@aol.com,
"Mark Holland" 
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 5:18 PM

This is just about verbatim what I would have said. I have season tickets
to the Tigers short-season class A team in Oneonta, about 60 miles away, an
easy, traffic-free drive the whole way on a beautiful, well-kept and scenicinterstate
route. It's a classic old ballpark, dating back to the 40's,
just as Mark described his. I love it there. They keep the between
innings stuff to a minimum. As the website used to say, "what you get
here is baseball, and only baseball". If you want to see dancing mascots
between innings, this isn't it. My wife and I go to the top rowof
the "bleachers" (would be called "luxury boxes" anywhere else) down thethird
baseline, and have the whole row to ourselves most nights. We geta
nice view of the sunset over Franklin Mountain.

The same route, if I stayed on it, would also take me to Binghamton to see the
AA Mets, or to Scranton to see the AAA Yankees, which I also do severaltimes
a year. We also have the Astros short-season A team about 30 miles
from my house. I used to have season tickets to their games also, but the
drive is through some nasty traffic, and they spend too much time on fluff,
and not enough promoting the team or the game. Still, I went to several
of their games last year, when the Tigers weren't home. The league's
all-star game was also there, which I got to see.

Or, I could stay up until 2:00 in the morning, to watch the World Series ina
freezing rainstorm.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Holland
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com ; biggies@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

The best baseball to watch now is the minor leagues. Idrive 90 miles
toseeminor league games but won't turn on the TV to watcha major
league game. At the minor league park the players are friendly and chat
with fans and sign autographs. You can get in for $4 or $5 and get a bag
of peanuts and a drink for $5 more.Our local ballpark is 53 years oldwith
an wooden overhang. On weeknights I can have the whole back row tomyself.
I sit up there to catch the evening breeze. It is so relaxing
(except for the cell phone).

Too bad the major league decision makes can't read this rambling. I believeour
assessment of the game is accurate. Who really cares anymore? I
am struggling to remember who played in the World Series this year.

Great rambling, keep it going!
Merry Christmas!

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol. com
To: jwhitworth30@ yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol. com ; LARRYGERS@aol. com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstre am.net ; john@holidayandhobb ies.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@ yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my hobby.

I am NOT a baseball fan. Iwas a huge fan of baseball up till 1995 or so.After
2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily bombardments of monetary histrionics
capped by pricing the average Joe and his 2 sons out of attending more
than 1 or 2 games a season, if that. I may be the only collector traderin
our group that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak of it much.
On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no better history
than the biography of the players on the cardboard that we collect.
Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the player, createda
league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I get sucked into a Reds game
or 2 each year so I can size up their talent and yes, its impossible to
not watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the World Series, but that's it.
I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the game for me.
I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and take myself through thefirst
100 years or so of baseball and think its the greatest thing ever.

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Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 22:34:31 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team

My first game was at Dodger Stadium around 1969. I was 6 years old and don't
really remember who they played. I still have most of the programs from those
games, some of which are scored and one with Aaron hitting one out andsame
with Clemente. I do know that every time the Braves came to town I went
and saw Hank play. Same with the Pirates for Willie and Roberto, same with
the Giants for Mays. Of course the Highlight of the season was when the
Big Red Machine came to town. I would usually catch a game each series. That
was a thrill seeingBench, Rose, Perez and later Foster, Concepcion,Griffey
and Morgan play in person. Every game on TV that featured the Reds
I watched. Back than we had Monday Night Baseball and a Saturday game of
the week, slim pickings, although plenty of Reds games to be had. I was hooked
on the Reds very early, around 1968 when I was 5 and had many great moments.
None to speak of in the past two decades though. Yet they were
great when it counted, in my youth!

It wasn't really until my Daughter was born that I started to visit many ofthe
other (13 to date) Stadiums. I have been to all the West Coast and Upper
East Coast Stadiums. Yankee Stadium about 8 times, keep in mind we live in
Los Angeles. Each Stadium is unique and has been very enjoyable. Fenway was
a blast. We got to the Stadium around 3pm and took a tour, than had thebest
Steak Sandwich ever waiting to get in for the game. After the game wehung
around the Stadium eating Pizza and talking with the locals until around
3 in the morning. That was a fabulous trip. One day I will go into detail
about our summer of 2006. We saw 10 different Stadiums that summer including
a trip back East which included 6 Stadiums, 13 games in 10 days. Two Stadiums
in the same day, Twice. Nothing but Baseball!

John Stamper

--- On Wed, 12/24/08, Lynn Miller  wrote:

From: Lynn Miller 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Team
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008, 5:22 PM

My favorite player is Hank Aaron, my favorite team would be Dddduuuhhhhh? ??
De Braves! Although I do have a liking also for the Padres as I watched
many games while stationed in San Diego in the 70's and those good years
they had with Dave Winfield (read my bio), Randy Jones, et al. And there's
still a soft spot in my heart for the Phillies as the hometown team growing
up in Wilmington DE and going to my first professional bsallgames atold
Connie Mack Stadium with my grandfather. But the Braves are my team.

=================

Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 23:41:45 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Merry Christmas

Merry Christmas to all in OBC!

Just finished reading 'Twas the Night Before Christmas and than tucked my Daughter
into bed. She's 14 and is enjoying life and still wants to do things
with me, pretty cool!

Enjoy the day and the Family, especially the kids.

Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays,

John Stamper
=================

To: "Mike Mroz" ,
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 08:25:59 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

Sorry Earl.  Actually my favorite baseball team these days is the Patriots.Brian
Lindholme can attest to their prowess!

PS  No Christmas news to report yet...everybody here is still snoozing at 8:20...
that beats the old record of 6am by a mile!
----- Original Message -----
From: originaleek@comcast.net
To: Mike Mroz ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 8:56 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 70 reporting...

I agree Mr Oz, we can definitely count on Mike Rich. Lets not forget Chuck
Paris who is out of town for the holidays but asked me to submit the Tigers
as his favorite team in his absence. That's the truth, I should know I made
it up myself. FOOT rules! (Get it, rules as in ruler that you measure with.
Oh never mind, if I gotta explain it.....).

At any rate, from the Kilbourn family to the OBC family, have a very Happy
Holiday Season!

"We Keep what we give away"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Mike Mroz" 

I agree. Tigers all the way... I just did a quick check of the HOMer
list and 9 of 54 inductees are Tigers - that's pretty impressive.
BTW, it looks like Mr. Rich's name does not appear on the Tiger's
list. I think we can safely say that he is a Tiger's fan.

--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Ron Perry  wrote:
> It's the Tigers.
> I believe FOOT may be the only subgroup within OBC with its own
rules, official manual, fests and feasts. FOOT also has its own
subgroup TOE which is open to all, except "Yankees fans may be
ineligible altogether we haven't decided yet". Quoted from The
Official FOOT Manual.
> Ron

=================

To: "Jim Beauchemin" ,
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:19:44 -0500
From: "Chuck Paris" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Jimbo:  "Baseball and only baseball" ............ isn't that the park that doesn't
serve beer or am I confusing it with another in your area?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Beauchemin
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com ; biggies@aol.com
; Mark Holland
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

This is just about verbatim what I would have said.  I have season tickets
to the Tigers short-season class A team in Oneonta, about 60 miles away, an
easy, traffic-free drive the whole way on a beautiful, well-kept and scenic
interstate route.  It's a classic old ballpark, dating back to the 40's,
just as Mark described his.  I love it there.  They keep the between innings
stuff to a minimum.  As the website used to say, "what you get here is baseball,
and only baseball".  If you want to see dancing mascots between innings,
this isn't it.    My wife and I go to the top row of the "bleachers"
(would be called "luxury boxes" anywhere else) down the third baseline, and
have the whole row to ourselves most nights.  We get a nice view of the sunset
over Franklin Mountain.

The same route, if I stayed on it, would also take me to Binghamton to see
the AA Mets, or to Scranton to see the AAA Yankees, which I also do several
times a year.  We also have the Astros short-season A team about 30 miles
from my house.  I used to have season tickets to their games also, but the
drive is through some nasty traffic, and they spend too much time on fluff,
and not enough promoting the team or the game.  Still, I went to severalof
their games last year, when the Tigers weren't home.  The league's all-star
game was also there, which I got to see.

Or, I could stay up until 2:00 in the morning, to watch the World Series in
a freezing rainstorm.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Holland
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com ; biggies@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

The best baseball to watch now is the minor leagues.   I drive 90 milesto
see minor league games but won't turn on the TV to watch a major leaguegame.
At the minor league park the players are friendly and chat with fans
and sign autographs.  You can get in for $4 or $5 and get a bag of peanuts
and a drink for $5 more. Our local ballpark is 53 years old with an wooden
overhang.  On weeknights I can have the whole back row to myself.  I sit up
there to catch the evening breeze.  It is so relaxing (except for the cell

Too bad the major league decision makes can't read this rambling.  I believe
our assessment of the game is accurate.  Who really cares anymore?  Iam
struggling to remember who played in the World Series this year.

Great rambling, keep it going!
Merry Christmas!

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol.com
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ;apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my hobby.

I am NOT a baseball fan. I was a huge fan of baseball up till 1995 orso.
After 2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily bombardments of monetary histrionics
capped by pricing the average Joe and his 2 sons out of attending
more than 1 or 2 games a season, if that. I may be the only collector trader
in our group that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak of it
On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no better
history than the biography of the players on the cardboard that we collect.
Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the player, created
a league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I get sucked into aReds
game or 2 each year so I can size up their talent and yes, its impossible
to not watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the World Series, but that's it.
I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the game for
me. I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and take myself through
the first 100 years or so of baseball and think its the greatest thing ever.

One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail, Gmail, and Yahoo
Mail. Try it now.

=================

To: ,
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:20:57 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Yeah, that's the park!  There's new management for the coming year, and talk
is that the no-beer restriction will be lifted.

----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Paris
To: Jim Beauchemin ; jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com
; apspr@msn.com ; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com
; biggies@aol.com ; Mark Holland
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

Jimbo:  "Baseball and only baseball" ............ isn't that the park that
doesn't serve beer or am I confusing it with another in your area?
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Beauchemin
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com ; biggies@aol.com
; Mark Holland
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 7:18 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

This is just about verbatim what I would have said.  I have season tickets
to the Tigers short-season class A team in Oneonta, about 60 miles away,
an easy, traffic-free drive the whole way on a beautiful, well-kept and scenic
interstate route.  It's a classic old ballpark, dating back to the 40's,
just as Mark described his.  I love it there.  They keep the between innings
stuff to a minimum.  As the website used to say, "what you get here is
baseball, and only baseball".  If you want to see dancing mascots betweeninnings,
this isn't it.    My wife and I go to the top row of the "bleachers"
(would be called "luxury boxes" anywhere else) down the third baseline,and
have the whole row to ourselves most nights.  We get a nice view of the
sunset over Franklin Mountain.

The same route, if I stayed on it, would also take me to Binghamton to see
the AA Mets, or to Scranton to see the AAA Yankees, which I also do several
times a year.  We also have the Astros short-season A team about 30 miles
from my house.  I used to have season tickets to their games also, but the
drive is through some nasty traffic, and they spend too much time on fluff,
and not enough promoting the team or the game.  Still, I went to several
of their games last year, when the Tigers weren't home.  The league's all-star
game was also there, which I got to see.

Or, I could stay up until 2:00 in the morning, to watch the World Series
in a freezing rainstorm.

----- Original Message -----
From: Mark Holland
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com ;apspr@msn.com
; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com ; biggies@aol.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:52 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

The best baseball to watch now is the minor leagues.   I drive 90 miles
to see minor league games but won't turn on the TV to watch a major league
game.  At the minor league park the players are friendly and chat with fans
and sign autographs.  You can get in for $4 or $5 and get a bag of peanuts
and a drink for $5 more. Our local ballpark is 53 years old with an wooden
overhang.  On weeknights I can have the whole back row to myself.  I sit
up there to catch the evening breeze.  It is so relaxing (except for the cell

Too bad the major league decision makes can't read this rambling.  I believe
our assessment of the game is accurate.  Who really cares anymore? I
am struggling to remember who played in the World Series this year.

Great rambling, keep it going!
Merry Christmas!

----- Original Message -----
From: biggies@aol.com
To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; LARRYGERS@aol.com;
apspr@msn.com ; kenpillion@windstream.net ; john@holidayandhobbies.com
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my hobby.

I am NOT a baseball fan. I was a huge fan of baseball up till 1995 or
so. After 2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily bombardments of monetary
histrionics capped by pricing the average Joe and his 2 sons out of attending
more than 1 or 2 games a season, if that. I may be the only collector trader
in our group that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak ofit
On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no better
history than the biography of the players on the cardboard that we collect.
Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the player,created
a league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I get sucked intoa
Reds game or 2 each year so I can size up their talent and yes, its impossible
to not watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the World Series, but that's it.
I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the game
for me. I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and take myself through
the first 100 years or so of baseball and think its the greatest thingever.

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Yahoo Mail. Try it now.

=================

To: 
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 09:02:28 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" 
Subject: It is complete...

OBC World...
This morning's Christmas gift opening made it official.
I have them all.

All of what, you ask?

Why...the 1911 T205 Gold Border Set, I reply !!

The last card, Irving "Kaiser" Wilhelm,completes the approximately 12 year long

The big thanks belong to my wonderful wife who supplied a lot of big hits over
the years and tolerated my obsession through the quest !
There's a few OBC hits in there too, so let's all celebrate.

I haven't decided to do all of the minor variations (some are minor differences
on the card, but major to the wallet, like Geno's favorite Hoblitzell )
I do have all of the front pose variations, so this is pretty much the master
set in my eyes.
For those of you interested in such things...my Wilhelm is the "suffe ed" version
in line 18 of the bio.

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own. (I might have to type that again,
it was so fun...)

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own :

a.. First card 1996 - Owen Wilson
b.. First HOF card- 1997 Frank Chance
c.. Favorite card - 2000 Addie Joss
d.. Most expensive card- 2001 ($550)Ty Cobb
e.. Worst condition card- John Rowan (poor minus)
f.. Best condition card - Frank Lang (NM)
g.. Tough to find card - 2004 George Suggs
h.. Final card - 2008 Irving Wilhelm
I knew I could share the euphoria with this fine group.
Merry Christmas and as always...

OBC Forever

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:40:09 EST
To: jimbo7777777@earthlink.net, chuckparis@comcast.net
From: mikesportsfan@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

I see my standing as a Tigers fan has already been counted in.  Considering
all my rambles regarding FOOT activities and Tigers games, I am surprised I
needed to vote.  Aside from the official rules of FOOT, being 1 of the 9 that has
a Tiger as a HOMer (Willie Horton if you have not been around long enough to
hear the stories about him), and having it written into employment contracts
at 4 different companies to get the Tigers home opener off every year (how many
people actually negotiate such a thing, including my current employer that I
get the company tickets on opening day.  Unforunately, it appears we will not
be renewing our season tickets this year.), I do not know how my allegience
could be questioned at all.
Not like Jimbo, who will not qualify for TOE status with his waffling over 4
teams.  That said, I too have taken in a game in Oneonta.  It is relatively
close to Cooperstown which I went to during the day and then the game that
night.  It happened to be Tom Brookens (the Tigers manager at the time) birthday.
In Rookie ball, the manager doubles as the 3rd base coach.  In between
innings, I was able to get a little banter going with Tom and asked him if he had
called Tim (his twin brother who also had a short stay (I was going to say short
stop, but that would be too punny) in the majors, to wish him a happy
birthday.  Tom started laughing and said he forgot it was his twin's birthday.  I urge
anyone visiting Cooperstown to check and see if the Tigers are in town and
catch a game as baseball was meant to be played.
Mike Rich

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To: familytoad@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:43:12 -0500
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...

As a T205 collector, I can relate. I am slowly and unofficially working on a second set. I love these cards and obtaining a wilhelm is no small feat lately. Speaking of that...can I ask where you got your Wilhelm and get a scan of the wilhelm for my data set please? Thanks-

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lindholme 
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 9:02 am
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...

OBC World...

This morning's Christmas gift opening made it

I have them all.

All of what, you ask?

Why...the 1911 T205 Gold Border Set, I reply

The last card, Irving "Kaiser" Wilhelm,completes
the approximately 12 year long quest.

The big thanks belong to my wonderful wife who
supplied a lot of big hits over the years and tolerated my obsession through the
quest !

There's a few OBC hits in there too, so let's all

I haven't decided to do all of the minor variations
(some are minor differences on the card, but major to the wallet, like Geno's
favorite Hoblitzell ) I do have all of the front pose variations, so this is
pretty much the master set in my eyes.

For those of you interested in such things...my
Wilhelm is the "suffe ed" version in line 18 of the bio.

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own. (I
might have to type that again, it was so fun...)

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own

First card 1996 - Owen Wilson

First HOF card- 1997 Frank Chance

Favorite card - 2000 Addie Joss

Most expensive card- 2001 ($550)Ty

Worst condition card- John Rowan (poor

Best condition card - Frank Lang (NM)

Tough to find card - 2004 George Suggs

Final card - 2008 Irving Wilhelm

I knew I could share the euphoria with this fine

Merry Christmas and as always...

OBC Forever

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:31:23 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Brian Lindholme 
From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...

Brian --

Congrats! I also called it complete at 208, although I want all the Hobby
cards (for no real reason). I haven't officially started a second set,although
I am "accumulating" as I term it. I need to knock out some T202
Cobbs before I start on another run of T205 HOFers. I remember my lastcard
was Summers, which isn't even a hard card. Speaker was a tough onebecause
I was aways outbid - he's not rare, just in demand.

Take Care,

--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Brian Lindholme  wrote:

From: Brian Lindholme 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 11:02 AM

OBC World...
This morning's Christmas gift opening made it official.
I have them all.

All of what, you ask?

Why...the 1911 T205 Gold Border Set, I reply !!

The last card, Irving "Kaiser" Wilhelm,completes the approximately 12 year long

The big thanks belong to my wonderful wife who supplied a lot of big hits over
the years and tolerated my obsession through the quest !
There's a few OBC hits in there too, so let's all celebrate.

I haven't decided to do all of the minor variations (some are minor differences
on the card, but major to the wallet, like Geno's favorite Hoblitzell )
I do have all of the front pose variations, so this is pretty much the master
set in my eyes.
For those of you interested in such things...my Wilhelm is the "suffe ed" version
in line 18 of the bio.

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own. (I might have to type that again,
it was so fun...)

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own :

First card 1996 - Owen Wilson
First HOF card- 1997 Frank Chance
Favorite card - 2000 Addie Joss
Most expensive card- 2001 ($550)Ty Cobb
Worst condition card- John Rowan (poor minus)
Best condition card - Frank Lang (NM)
Tough to find card - 2004 George Suggs
Final card - 2008 Irving Wilhelm
I knew I could share the euphoria with this fine group.
Merry Christmas and as always...

OBC Forever

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 10:58:09 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC Ramblings 
From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: 1952 Cubs and Red Sox

OBCers --

After adding the 1952 set to my list, I have since looked at some of those ridiculous prices!  I am no considering just chasing a couple of teams, my beloved Cubs and my wife's Red Sox.  I haven't decided yet, but does anybody have a team list of 1952 Topps so I can compare the two options?  Thanks!

Take Care,

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:04:25 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC Ramblings 
From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Cubs and Red Sox

Disregard - upon further review, I think I want the whole set onmy list.
It just wouldn't look right without all those other cool cards! I guess
I've aready had too much egg nog...

Back to your regularly scheduled Christmas...

--- On Thu, 12/25/08, Geno Wagner  wrote:

From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Cubs and Red Sox
To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Date: Thursday, December 25, 2008, 12:58 PM

OBCers --

After adding the 1952 set to my list, I have since looked at some of those ridiculous
prices! I am no considering just chasing a couple of teams, my beloved
Cubs and my wife's Red Sox. I haven't decided yet, but does anybody have
a team list of 1952 Topps so I can compare the two options? Thanks!

Take Care,

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:07:15 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Jerry Coker 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS

Hello...and Merry Christmas!  My favorite team up until 1972'ish was the SF Giants.  I grew up in SF during the 60's.  Saw a lot of May's, McCovey, et.al.  Then we moved to the South and I became a big Braves fan.  I suppose I will remain a Braves fan for the rest of my life since I plan to retire in the south (god willing...as I shovel all this snow).  Some of you may wonder why I didn't become a Bosox fan when we moved to Vermont a few years ago.  Well...they won the WS the year we moved up here and no longer were an underdog which sort of took the edge off becoming a Sox fan.  Also...I still sometimes feel a bit out of place up here.  Whenever I meet someone new, they always say, "you're not from around here are you"? Must be my lingering southern
accent :)  Anyway...I'm a Braves fan and, AND, a UGA BullDawgs fan!

More re: my OBC Santa gift soon!

Jerry Coker

=================

To: 
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 11:29:00 -0800
From: "Erik & Leticia Greenwood" 
Subject: FAVORITE TEAMS

I had a very sophicated way of determining my favorite teams.  I started
following sports in 1977 at the age eight.  I selected the Seattle Mariners
and Tampa Bay Buccaneers beacause of their logos. I haven't switched teams
since, although I haven't really followed sports closely for the last five
years with two girls in the house.

Erik Greenwood

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 14:54:29 EST
To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Cubs and Red Sox

You are welcome to come over and look through my 1952 set anytime, as long as
you bring something liquid from the Commissary....
Merry Christmas,

=================

To: ,
Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:23:01 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...

Joshua, my wife found a friend to bid on the last Wilhelm eBay had.
Its a PSA 2 , Piedmont 400 back Factory 25.
I had placed a mid-sized bid, intending to revisit when the auction was close
to ending, but a Christmas party in the neighborhood sidetracked me. Howfortunate!!
Thanks for the bump ...talking about my acquisition...I've had several complimentary
emails this morning. I'm elated!!
Heck, I thought I was gonna get stuck with a blu-ray player!! hahahahaha

OBC Forever
(I will email you the auction link, but you probably saw it already)
----- Original Message -----
From: wite3@aol.com
To: familytoad@comcast.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...

As a T205 collector, I can relate. I am slowly and unofficially working on
a second set. I love these cards and obtaining a wilhelm is no small featlately.
Speaking of that...can I ask where you got your Wilhelm and get a scan
of the wilhelm for my data set please? Thanks-

-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Lindholme 
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 9:02 am
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] It is complete...

OBC World...
This morning's Christmas gift opening made it official.
I have them all.

All of what, you ask?

Why...the 1911 T205 Gold Border Set, I reply !!

The last card, Irving "Kaiser" Wilhelm,completes the approximately 12 year
long quest.

The big thanks belong to my wonderful wife who supplied a lot of big hitsover
the years and tolerated my obsession through the quest !
There's a few OBC hits in there too, so let's all celebrate.

I haven't decided to do all of the minor variations (some are minor differences
on the card, but major to the wallet, like Geno's favorite Hoblitzell
) I do have all of the front pose variations, so this is pretty much the master
set in my eyes.
For those of you interested in such things...my Wilhelm is the "suffe ed"version
in line 18 of the bio.

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own. (I might have to type that again,
it was so fun...)

Fast facts about the T205 set that I now own :

a.. First card 1996 - Owen Wilson
b.. First HOF card- 1997 Frank Chance
c.. Favorite card - 2000 Addie Joss
d.. Most expensive card- 2001 ($550)Ty Cobb
e.. Worst condition card- John Rowan (poor minus)
f.. Best condition card - Frank Lang (NM)
g.. Tough to find card - 2004 George Suggs
h.. Final card - 2008 Irving Wilhelm
I knew I could share the euphoria with this fine group.
Merry Christmas and as always...

OBC Forever

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=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 23:19:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan" 
Subject: Wiffle Ball help needed

I have a small stack of Wiffle Ball discs.  My 2005 Beckett Almanac
lists a 1978 set of 81 discs.  The copyright on the front states
1976, but the player selection indicates 1978, according to Beckett.
My 2008 SCD lists a 1977 set of 80 and a 1978 set of 88.  It does not
state how to tell the difference between the years.
I have some nice round discs that do not seem to have been cut as a
square from a box.  The back say WIFFLE SPORTS SPECTACULAR.  Then I
have a few more squares, with the background in red around the disc.
Interestingly enough some of them I have a round one and a square one
of the same player, but the side panels on the front are different
colors.  Then I have yet a 3rd small stack, squared again, with NO
red around the disc border.  These backs, have a black back which
state WIFFLE BALL REGULATION BASEBALL SIZE.  A few of these, although
they all state 1976 copyright on the front, say 1977 copyright on the
back in the black section.
To add further intrigue, I have an Aurelio Rodriguez, who is NOT
listed in either Beckett or SCD.  Anyone have any info on the Wiffle
Ball cards.  Anyone have any extras they are intereste in swapping (I
do not think I have any dupe Wiffle Ball cards at present, but plenty
of other material).
Mike Rich

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:24:59 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com
From: "Jimmy Parker" 
Subject: OBC Santa
Content-Disposition: inline

In lieu of real snow this Christmas, I'll have to take delight in the flurry
of hits by OBC Santa Steve Hitzeman. Steve sends a package that hits 6
different sets from the mid-50s up to the early 70s, highlighted by a 58T
Nellie Fox A.S., a cool gray Tony Perez and a black beauty Carew. Thanks
Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all our fellow OBCers as well!

Jimmy "Catfish" Parker
...Save the gum for me!

=================

Date: Thu, 25 Dec 2008 21:41:32 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Carl Mura 
Subject: Secret Santa

This year I had the good fortune of having Jimmy "Catfish" Parker as my "Secret
Santa". He felt I needed to improve my baseball knowledge for 1984 so
he sent me a 1985 Sporting News OFFICIAL Baseball Register. It happens
to have Willie Hernandez of the Tigers on the cover.

Very nice gift as I was looking through it earlier today and found this fact:.
Oswaldo Barrious started his major league career in 1984 even though hedidn't
play an inning. Anyone out there know who this player is? Some
might say he became more recognizable after his playing career.

Answer provide tomorrow.

Thanks again to Jimmy "Catfish" Parker. I promise I will study this weekend!!!

Hope everyone has had a very Merry Christmas today and will have a Happy Healthy

Carl Mura

=================

To: illini_grad_90@yahoo.com, OBC Ramblings 
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 08:07:10 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1952 Cubs and Red Sox

Hello Geno,

Here is the answer to your question, but I for one would rather see you going for the whole set as to give some of us "collecting mortals" an actual chance at sending you something.  But here you go, there are 28 Cubbies and 30 possible Red Soxs cards:

1952 TOPPS
CUBS – (28)
16 Gene Hermanski
35 Hank Sauer
105 John Pramesa
110 Dutch Leonard
114 Willard Ramsdell
127 Paul Minner
148 Johnny Klippstein
153 Bob Rush
157 Bob Usher
164 Walt Dubiel
172 Eddie Miksis
173 Roy Smalley
184 Bob Ramazzotti
194 Joe Hatten
204 Ron Northey
224 Bruce Edwards
225 Frank Baumholtz
259 Bob Addis
295 Phil Cavarretta
322 Randy Jackson
324 Warren Hacker
325 Bill Serena
330 Turk Lown
341 Hal Jeffcoat
348 Bob Kelly
356 Toby Atwell
359 Dee Fondy
401 Bob Schultz

1952 TOPPS
RED SOX – (30)
4 Don Lenhardt
15 Johnny Pesky
22 Dom DiMaggio - Not issued in the reprint set
23 Billy Goodman
30 Mel Parnell
43 Ray Scarborough
54 Leo Kiely
72 Karl Olson
78 Ellis Kinder
84 Vern Stephens
119 Maurice McDermott
121 Gus Niarhos
139 Ken Wood
152 Al Evans
177 Bill Wight
180 Charley Maxwell
186 Walt Masterson
235 Walt Dropo
247 Randy Gumpert
255 Clyde Vollmer
269 Willard Nixon
327 Archie Wilson
329 Ivan Delock
335 Ted Lepcio
343 Dick Gernert
345 Sam White
374 Al Benton
376 Faye Throneberry
383 Del Wilber
404 Dick Brodowski

Hope you find it helpful - BE WELL!!!!

REGARDS ------------------ MARK

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Geno Wagner 
OBCers --

After adding the 1952 set to my list, I have since looked at some of those ridiculous prices! I am no considering just chasing a couple of teams, my beloved Cubs and my wife's Red Sox. I haven't decided yet, but does anybody have a team list of 1952 Topps so I can compare the two options? Thanks!

Take Care,

=================

Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 10:22:48 EST
To: Smartalecx@aol.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: nfl playoff pool
Content-Language: en

My fantasy football league has asked me to find more participants for our
annual nfl playoff pool.  There is a $25 entry fee, so if you are  interested,
please read on.

Here is how it works:

Teams:  Select a team of 12 players from the 12  teams in the playoffs.  Your
team can only have 1 player from each team and  you are allowed exactly 2 QB=E2=99
s, 4 RB=E2=99s, 4 WR=E2=99s, 1 TE, and 1 K.  So for  every game, every
participant will
have one player going from each  team.

Deadline:  Picks must  be submitted to me via email (_smartalecx@aol.com_
(mailto:smartalecx@aol.com) ) no later than Thursday,  January 6 at Noon.  Once
your team is submitted, it cannot  be changed.

Rank the players 1  through 12 with 1 being the player you think will score
the most points overall  and 12 being the player you think will score the least

Submit your  players like this:  QB Dawson KC  (4), QB Staubach DAL (2), RB
Davis DEN (1), RB Warner SEA (12), etc., with the  number in parenthesis being
your personal ranking of the player.
Prizes:  Will be determined by the total pool size, but  usually, about 50%
to winner, 35% to 2nd and 15% to third.  If there are a  lot of entries, we
will add prizes for more  entries.

Scoring:  I will send more details once you join,  but the basics are:  1
point per 25 passing yards, 4 points per TD pass, 1  point per 10 rushing or
receiving yards, 6 points per rushing or receiving TD,  3-5 points for field
depending on distance, 1 pt of PAT, 2 points for  pass/catch/run 2 point
conversion.  -2 points for fumble or  interception.
Remember, four teams  will have 1st round byes, and could potentially play
one less game  than the other eight.  The winner is  determined by total points.
Tie Breaker:  Since there is a possibility that more  than one team can have
the exact same players, ties will be broken by the total  points of the player
with the #1 ranking.  If still tied, than #2 will be  used and so on until
the tie is broken.

Weekly results will be  sent out as an Excel spreadsheet attachment in an
Please email me ASAP  if you want to join in.  Payment can be via paypal (I
will need to find out  the charge for that and add it to your entry fee), check
or cash.  I will  confirm your entry via email.
Thanks, Happy New  Year, and good luck!
Gary Mandell
3930 North Pine  Grove Avenue # 3108
Chicago, IL  60613-5518

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com
Date: Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:26:24 -0500
From: Jeff Delott 
Subject: Webspawner

Does anybody use webspawner for their wantlist?? If so, can you access it currently?

?Jeffrey Delott

=================

Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 16:35:05 -0600
To: Mark Holland 
From: ddejong@everestkc.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...


I am glad I am not alone on this.  Each year my interest in the current game of baseball goes down, despite keeping my interest in the 'old game' through the cards and books.  I once could have rattled off each team, their standing in their division, most of their starting line up, and the league leaders for each major stat category.  Now I would be hard pressed to recognize the names of the people winning the awards, let alone know the stats they had.  Kansas City has the minor league T-Bones and the (supposedly) major league Royals, and I have much more fun going to the occassional T-Bones game ... especially when the dreaded Fargo-Moorhead Redhawks are in town.  


The money ruined it for me too.  When I was a kid first following the Twins in the late 60s and early 70s, the Twins had one of the highest payrolls in baseball!  Attendance was the key determinant of the payroll back then....now the media contracts for the biggest markets dwarf the attendance dollars.  The players were not multi-millionaires and if you caught them before a game they would chat with you and sign an autograph for you.  The key players stayed on their teams your entire childhood.  I was pretty sure Killebrew, Oliva and Carew were still going to be on the team when I grew up and made the majors!


----- Original Message -----


From: Mark Holland <wholla_m@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 5:52 pm

Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 reporting...

> The best baseball to watch now is the minor leagues.   I drive 90 
> miles to see minor league games but won't turn on the TV to watch 
> a major league game.  At the minor league park the players are 
> friendly and chat with fans and sign autographs.  You can get in 
> for $4 or $5 and get a bag of peanuts and a drink for $5 more. Our 
> local ballpark is 53 years old with an wooden overhang.  On 
> weeknights I can have the whole back row to myself.  I sit up 
> there to catch the evening breeze.  It is so relaxing (except for 
> the cell phone). 
> 
> Too bad the major league decision makes can't read this rambling.  
> I believe our assessment of the game is accurate.  Who really 
> cares anymore?  I am struggling to remember who played in the 
> World Series this year. 
> 
> Great rambling, keep it going! 

> Merry Christmas! 
> Mark 
> 
> 
>  ----- Original Message ----- 
>  From: biggies@aol.com 
>  To: jwhitworth30@yahoo.com ; DirectorTH@aol.com ; 
> LARRYGERS@aol.com ; apspr@msn.com ; kenpillion@windstream.net ; 
> john@holidayandhobbies.com 
>  Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com 
>  Sent: Wednesday, December 24, 2008 6:40 PM 
>  Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: FAVORITE TEAMS, with 50 
> reporting... 
> 
> 
>  I guess I will take this chance to talk about the oddity of my 
> hobby. 
>  I am NOT a baseball fan. I was a huge fan of baseball up till 
> 1995 or so. After 2 strikes, 2 more threatened and daily 
> bombardments of monetary histrionics capped by pricing the average 
> Joe and his 2 sons out of attending more than 1 or 2 games a 
> season, if that. I may be the only collector trader in our group 

> that is not a fan of the game today so I don't speak of it much. 
>  On the other hand I love the history of baseball and there is no 
> better history than the biography of the players on the cardboard 
> that we collect. 
>  Money ruined the game for me. It reduced the passion of the 
> player, created a league of brats and I cannot watch a game. Oh, I 
> get sucked into a Reds game or 2 each year so I can size up their 
> talent and yes, its impossible to not watch game 5, 6 or 7 of the 
> World Series, but that's it. 
>  I guess the money took away the purity and the innocence of the 
> game for me. I drive up to Cooperstown every 2 years or so and 
> take myself through the first 100 years or so of baseball and 
> think its the greatest thing ever. 
> 
>  BB 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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> ----------- 
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> and Yahoo Mail. Try it now. 
> 
>   

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 01:21:28 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jd3681" 
Subject: 1974 topps checklists available (red front)

Hi all, got a few of these if any of you need them, some are marked,
some unmarked.

Cardinals unmarked
yankees unmarked
whitesox unmarked
cardinals unmarked
orioles unmarked
A's marked
rangers marked
braves marked

let me know if you need any or all, please send address along as well

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 02:33:17 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jd3681" 
Subject: question on 68 topps football.

Hi all, I have just started putting this set together and am finding
blue and green backs....anything with this?

thanks and be well

=================

To: "OBC-Ramblings" 
Date: Sun, 28 Dec 2008 22:35:39 -0600
From: "mzentko" 
Subject: thanks to secret santa Andy Cook

secret santa andy sent:

56 cardinals team
68? topps stand up billy kilmer
74 topps washington national league nate colbert

thanks, andy!

Mark Zentkovich

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:49:39 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Good news, guys!  The Baseball writers have asked for our vote.  Just
kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway?  The REAL
results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
research the candidates if you want.  Other than that, same basic
rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
listed below.  Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
candidate.  Any takers?

2009 HOF CANDIDATES
Harold Baines
Jay Bell
Bert Blyleven
David Cone
Andre Dawson
Ron Gant
Mark Grace
Rickey Henderson
Tommy John
Don Mattingly
Mark McGwire
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Jesse Orosco
Dave Parker
Dan Plesac
Tim Raines
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
Greg Vaughn
Mo Vaughn
Matt Williams

Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
each of us, etc...

=================

To: , 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 00:53:57 -0600
From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Of that group, I vote for Tommy John, but I'd like to write in Jim Kaat as well.

Fr. Pat

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: uthminsta@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:49:39 +0000
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Good news, guys!  The Baseball writers have asked for our vote.Just

kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway?  The REAL

results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get

our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to

research the candidates if you want.  Other than that, same basic

rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys

listed below.  Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC

candidate.  Any takers?

2009 HOF CANDIDATES

Harold Baines

Jay Bell

Bert Blyleven

David Cone

Andre Dawson

Ron Gant

Mark Grace

Rickey Henderson

Tommy John

Don Mattingly

Mark McGwire

Jack Morris

Dale Murphy

Jesse Orosco

Dave Parker

Dan Plesac

Tim Raines

Jim Rice

Lee Smith

Alan Trammell

Greg Vaughn

Mo Vaughn

Matt Williams

Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what

they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view

of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for

each of us, etc...

Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
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=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:03:05 EST
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

In a message dated 12/28/2008 11:49:48 P.M. Central Standard Time,
uthminsta@hotmail.com writes:

Bert  Blyleven
Jack Morris
Jim Rice
Don Mattingly
Tommy John
Rickey  Henderson
Andre Dawson

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To: ,
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 06:05:36 -0500
From: "Jim Beauchemin" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Bert Blyleven
Rickey Henderson
Tommy John
Jack Morris
Tim Raines
Alan Trammell

----- Original Message -----
From: uthminsta1
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 12:49 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Just
kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REAL
results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
research the candidates if you want. Other than that, same basic
rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
listed below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
candidate. Any takers?

2009 HOF CANDIDATES
Harold Baines
Jay Bell
Bert Blyleven
David Cone
Andre Dawson
Ron Gant
Mark Grace
Rickey Henderson
Tommy John
Don Mattingly
Mark McGwire
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Jesse Orosco
Dave Parker
Dan Plesac
Tim Raines
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
Greg Vaughn
Mo Vaughn
Matt Williams

Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
each of us, etc...

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:48:41 -0600
To: uthminsta1 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Jim Rice, Ricky Henderson, Andre Dawson

Greg (yaz)

uthminsta1 wrote:
> Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Just
> kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REAL
> results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
> our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
> research the candidates if you want. Other than that, same basic
> rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
> listed below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
> candidate. Any takers?
> 2009 HOF CANDIDATES
> Harold Baines
> Jay Bell
> Bert Blyleven
> David Cone
> Andre Dawson
> Ron Gant
> Mark Grace
> Rickey Henderson
> Tommy John
> Don Mattingly
> Mark McGwire
> Jack Morris
> Dale Murphy
> Jesse Orosco
> Dave Parker
> Dan Plesac
> Tim Raines
> Jim Rice
> Lee Smith
> Alan Trammell
> Greg Vaughn
> Mo Vaughn
> Matt Williams
> Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
> they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
> of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
> each of us, etc...
> Aaron

=================

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:26:00 -0500
From: Jeff Delott 
Subject: 2009 HOF Voting

? Henderson seems obvious.? Rice and Dawson should be in too.? When I watched them play the Yankees and the Mets they were always a threat.

?Jeffrey Delott

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 9:25:15 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I'm much more conservative. I think too many "almost greats" are in the HOF already. For this year my ballot would have one vote--Rickey Henderson

---- uthminsta1  wrote:
> Good news, guys!  The Baseball writers have asked for our vote.  Just
> kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway?  The REAL
> results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
> our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
> research the candidates if you want.  Other than that, same basic
> rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
> listed below.  Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
> candidate.  Any takers?
> 2009 HOF CANDIDATES
> Harold Baines
> Jay Bell
> Bert Blyleven
> David Cone
> Andre Dawson
> Ron Gant
> Mark Grace
> Rickey Henderson
> Tommy John
> Don Mattingly
> Mark McGwire
> Jack Morris
> Dale Murphy
> Jesse Orosco
> Dave Parker
> Dan Plesac
> Tim Raines
> Jim Rice
> Lee Smith
> Alan Trammell
> Greg Vaughn
> Mo Vaughn
> Matt Williams
> Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
> they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
> of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
> each of us, etc...
> Aaron

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:44:04 EST
To: uthminsta@hotmail.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: larrygers@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Only one vote from here.
Ricky Henderson
Even though I thought he was a hotdog.

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To: OBC Ramblings 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:46:55 -0500
From: Bob Reed 
Subject: Favorite Players

Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start one upfor
favorite players.  This may help some of us find a home for some of those
oddball items hanging around.  Let's limit it to 3 players please.  Explanations
on why they are your favorite are encouraged.

Here's mine.

1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him.  Played against his nephewin
high school.  Plus he's my HOM nominee.
2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet (Cleveland) and
one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980, I decided to jump aboard
the Astro wagon.  Jose Cruz somehow became my favorite and I wore #25
in high school because of him.
3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when I lived
in California so of course the young superstar had to become my favorite.
My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then Baltimore (for a year)
and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.

Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
=================

To: OBC Ramblings 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:49:30 -0500
From: Bob Reed 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

My votes go to:
Rickey Henderson
Bert Blyleven
Jim Rice

Close but not quite:
Andre Dawson
Jack Morris
Tommy John
Alan Trammell
Tim Raines

Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 14:59:12 GMT
To: boreed@hotmail.com
From: "Bob Saxton" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players
To: OBC Ramblings 
From: Bob Reed 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:46:55 -0500
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players

Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start one upfor
favorite players.  This may help some of us find a home for some of those
oddball items hanging around.  Let's limit it to 3 players please.  Explanations
on why they are your favorite are encouraged.

Here's mine.

1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him.  Played against his nephewin
high school.  Plus he's my HOM nominee.
2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet (Cleveland) and
one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980, I decided to jump aboard
the Astro wagon.  Jose Cruz somehow became my favorite and I wore #25
in high school because of him.
3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when I lived
in California so of course the young superstar had to become my favorite.
My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then Baltimore (for a year)
and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.

Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.
http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:16:53 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Mike Mroz" 
Subject: Re: Favorite Players

Ok, my favorites are as follows:

1.)  Mickey Stanley - A steady player for many years during my
formative years as a baseball fan.  My HOMer.

2.)  Alan Trammell - A near HOF candidate SS who was overshadowed
during most of his career by Ripken and Ozzie Smith.  A dedicated
hard-working player who was the backbone of the Tigers for two decades.

3.)  Rod Carew - A pure hitter's hitter.  Loved watching his at bats.

Mike Mroz

p.s.  The only reason that Al Kaline's not on the list is because I
only remember watching him for the last 2 years of his career.

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 07:22:26 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Joel GYselinck 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Favorite Players

Goose Gossage: most intimadating closer ever
Bucky Dent: the home run and some great defense
Greg Maddux: the best pitcher ever
David Cone: my fave Yankee during the late 90's run

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Mike Mroz  wrote:

From: Mike Mroz 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Favorite Players
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 7:16 AM

Ok, my favorites are as follows:

1.) Mickey Stanley - A steady player for many years during my
formative years as a baseball fan. My HOMer.

2.) Alan Trammell - A near HOF candidate SS who was overshadowed
during most of his career by Ripken and Ozzie Smith. A dedicated
hard-working player who was the backbone of the Tigers for two decades.

3.) Rod Carew - A pure hitter's hitter. Loved watching his at bats.

Mike Mroz

p.s. The only reason that Al Kaline's not on the list is because I
only remember watching him for the last 2 years of his career.

=================

To: boreed@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:03:27 -0500
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players

My favorites are simple...

Bob Boone---great defensive catcher on my Phillies
Steve Carlton---got me into the Phillies...one of the best Lefties of all time!
Mike Schmidt--- one of the best hitters of the '70s and played a great 3rd base
as well.

-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Reed 
To: OBC Ramblings 
Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 6:46 am
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players

Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start one upfor
favorite players. This may help some of us find a home for some of
those oddball items hanging around. Let's limit it to 3 players please.
Explanations on why they are your favorite are encouraged.

Here's mine.

1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him. Played against his nephew
in high school. Plus he's my HOM nominee.

2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet (Cleveland) and
one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980, I decided to jump aboard
the Astro wagon. Jose Cruz somehow became my favorite and I wore
#25 in high school because of him.

3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when I lived
in California so of course the young superstar had to become my favorite.
My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then Baltimore (for
a year) and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.

Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.
 See how

=================

To: , "uthminsta1" 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:09:37 -0500
From: obcjohn@knology.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

My  vote goes to:

On Mon 12/29/08 12:49 AM , "uthminsta1" uthminsta@hotmail.com sent:
> Good news, guys!  The Baseball writers have asked for our vote.
> Just
> kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway?  The REAL
> results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta
> get
> our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
> research the candidates if you want.  Other than that, same basic
> rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
> listed below.  Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
> candidate.  Any takers?
> 2009 HOF CANDIDATES
> Harold Baines
> Jay Bell
> Bert Blyleven
> David Cone
> Andre Dawson
> Ron Gant
> Mark Grace
> Rickey Henderson
> Tommy John
> Don Mattingly
> Mark McGwire
> Jack Morris
> Dale Murphy
> Jesse Orosco
> Dave Parker
> Dan Plesac
> Tim Raines
> Jim Rice
> Lee Smith
> Alan Trammell
> Greg Vaughn
> Mo Vaughn
> Matt Williams
> Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
> they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
> of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
> each of us, etc...
> Aaron
> Links:
> ------
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:36:24 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC Ramblings ,
From: Geno Wagner 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Henderson, Rice, and Dawson for me!

Take Care,

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bob Reed  wrote:

From: Bob Reed 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!
To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 8:49 AM

My votes go to:
Rickey Henderson
Bert Blyleven
Jim Rice

Close but not quite:
Andre Dawson
Jack Morris
Tommy John
Alan Trammell
Tim Raines

Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.See

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 08:55:07 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players

My three Favorite Players...

At first thought it would be the big three, Aaron, Mays, Clemente. These were
the super stars of the 60's and early 70's and I loved to watch them play.
Yet they are not my top three.

Joe Morgan is my top player. A perfect 2nd baseman. Joe had quick hands, great
range and turned a beautiful double play. He hit for average, power andhad
a great eye at the plate. Stole plenty of bases and was a perfect situational
hitter. Whenever the Reds visited Dodger Stadium during the late 60's
and 70's, I was there. I actually got Joe's Autograph in 2006. We were at
Yankee Stadium for a Sunday Night game of the week. We got there early and
after we walked through Memorial Park we saw Joe up in the booth. My daughter
said we should go get his auto. We were not able to see him, however he
did sign our tickets. What a great guy! http://www.holidayandhobbies.com/joe_morgan

Next is one of only two players to hit a ball out of Dodger Stadium, and hedid
it twice. Willie Stargell who played hard and was one intimidating batter.
Again I would see him play at least once or twice a year. Like Joe, hedid
his job, did it well and did not grand stand. http://www.holidayandhobbies.com/willie_stargell

My third player is my (soon to be) HOM nominee, George Foster. George had acannon
in the outfield. He would throw out runners on flyouts who tried totag
from third. George would throw a rocket to Bench and gun them down to save
a run and the next at bat hit one out. Ha was fun to watch, again never
missed him when he came to town.
http://www.holidayandhobbies.com/george_foster

All three of my Favorites, I collect anything and everything about them.

Great topic Bob! and thanks to Aaron for the Favorite Team

John Stamper

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, Bob Reed  wrote:

From: Bob Reed 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players
To: "OBC Ramblings" 
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:46 AM

Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start one upfor
favorite players. This may help some of us find a home for some of those
oddball items hanging around. Let's limit it to 3 players please.
Explanations on why they are your favorite are encouraged.

Here's mine.

1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him. Played against his nephew
in high school. Plus he's my HOM nominee.
2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet (Cleveland) and
one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980, I decided to jump aboard
the Astro wagon. Jose Cruz somehow became my favorite and I wore #25
in high school because of him.
3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when I lived
in California so of course the young superstar had to become my favorite.
My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then Baltimore (for ayear)
and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.

Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows Vista=AE.See

=================

To: , 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 11:58:23 -0500
From: Mac Wubben 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Ricky Henderson
Jack Morris
Bert Blyleven
And just over the hump...Andre Dawson

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: uthminsta@hotmail.comDate: Mon, 29 Dec
2008 05:49:39 +0000Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Justkidding...
but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REALresults will be made
public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta getour votes in by January10th
- that will give you some time toresearch the candidates if you want.Other
than that, same basicrules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero
to ten of the guyslisted below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them
our OBCcandidate. Any takers?2009 HOF CANDIDATESHarold BainesJay BellBert
BlylevenDavid ConeAndre DawsonRon GantMark GraceRickey HendersonTommy JohnDon
MattinglyMark McGwireJack MorrisDale MurphyJesse OroscoDave ParkerDan PlesacTim
RainesJim RiceLee SmithAlan TrammellGreg VaughnMo VaughnMatt WilliamsJust
thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into whattheythink
of the game in recent years, how it has affected our viewof the bestplayers
of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is foreach of us, etc...Aaron

Send e-mail anywhere. No map, no compass.
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 09:19:30 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

While most of the Players on the list had a few great years, for the HOF itshould
be a great career. The best of the best.

My vote is for Rickey Henderson. You knew it when Rickey played. At the plate
if you threw strikes, he could hit it out,a ton of Lead-off Homers. He
took a lot of walks, which he usually stole second. So for Rickey a walk was
as good as a double. Rickey has the Most Runs Scored and Most Stolen Bases...Ever.
He has 1 1/2 times more Stolen Bases than anybody.

I was fortunate enough to see him get his 3000th hit down in San Diego. A great

Definitely a Hot Dog, yet he could play.

A few others are close, just not quite.

John Stamper

--- On Sun, 12/28/08, uthminsta1  wrote:

From: uthminsta1 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sunday, December 28, 2008, 9:49 PM

Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Just
kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REAL
results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
research the candidates if you want. Other than that, same basic
rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
listed below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
candidate. Any takers?

2009 HOF CANDIDATES
Harold Baines
Jay Bell
Bert Blyleven
David Cone
Andre Dawson
Ron Gant
Mark Grace
Rickey Henderson
Tommy John
Don Mattingly
Mark McGwire
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Jesse Orosco
Dave Parker
Dan Plesac
Tim Raines
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
Greg Vaughn
Mo Vaughn
Matt Williams

Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
each of us, etc...

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To: o b 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:37:26 -0500
From: jeff sinclair 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Dawson/Parker if one goes the other has to go too.

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: uthminsta@hotmail.comDate: Mon, 29 Dec
2008 05:49:39 +0000Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Justkidding...
but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REALresults will be made
public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta getour votes in by January10th
- that will give you some time toresearch the candidates if you want.Other
than that, same basicrules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero
to ten of the guyslisted below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them
our OBCcandidate. Any takers?2009 HOF CANDIDATESHarold BainesJay BellBert
BlylevenDavid ConeAndre DawsonRon GantMark GraceRickey HendersonTommy JohnDon
MattinglyMark McGwireJack MorrisDale MurphyJesse OroscoDave ParkerDan PlesacTim
RainesJim RiceLee SmithAlan TrammellGreg VaughnMo VaughnMatt WilliamsJust
thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into whattheythink
of the game in recent years, how it has affected our viewof the bestplayers
of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is foreach of us, etc...Aaron

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:46:20 -0500
To: uthminsta1 
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!
Content-Disposition: inline

My vote

Ricky - without hesitation
with some hesitation
Rice - short career, but he was dominant for a good 10 years
Blyleven - hurt by playing in small markets

Still unsure, but no for now.

Great Topic!

On 12/29/08, uthminsta1  wrote:
>   Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Just
> kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REAL
> results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
> our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
> research the candidates if you want. Other than that, same basic
> rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
> listed below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
> candidate. Any takers?
> 2009 HOF CANDIDATES
> Harold Baines
> Jay Bell
> Bert Blyleven
> David Cone
> Andre Dawson
> Ron Gant
> Mark Grace
> Rickey Henderson
> Tommy John
> Don Mattingly
> Mark McGwire
> Jack Morris
> Dale Murphy
> Jesse Orosco
> Dave Parker
> Dan Plesac
> Tim Raines
> Jim Rice
> Lee Smith
> Alan Trammell
> Greg Vaughn
> Mo Vaughn
> Matt Williams
> Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
> they think of the game in recent years, how it has affected our view
> of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
> each of us, etc...
> Aaron

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:51:22 -0500
To: "Bob Reed" 
From: "Bob Donaldson" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players
Content-Disposition: inline

1. Yaz.  Came aware of BB in the late 60s and he was the man in Boston.
Loved that stance and his all round play.  At my first game in 1970 I had
seats behind home plate.  First inning Yaz came up an hit a HR, one of my
all-time favorite moments.

2. Ruth - Obviously never saw him play, but he said Hi to my dad once.  I
must of read "The Boy's Life of Babe Ruth" 100 times whjen I was a kid.

3. Clemente - 1971 World Series - nuff said.

Honarable mention - Jackie Robinson, Pedro, Rico Petrocelli

On 12/29/08, Bob Reed  wrote:
>   Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start one
> up for favorite players.  This may help some of us find a home for some of
> those oddball items hanging around.  Let's limit it to 3 players please.
> Explanations on why they are your favorite are encouraged.
> Here's mine.
> 1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him.  Played against his nephew
> in high school.  Plus he's my HOM nominee.
> 2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet (Cleveland)
> and one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980, I decided to jump
> aboard the Astro wagon.  Jose Cruz somehow became my favorite and I wore #25
> in high school because of him.
> 3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when I
> lived in California so of course the young superstar had to become my
> favorite.  My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then Baltimore
> (for a year) and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.
> -Bob
> ------------------------------
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> how 

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:10:14 EST
To: obcbobd@gmail.com, boreed@hotmail.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players

hmmm, 3 FAVORITE players, which would be different than my vote for 3 BEST
players. I couldn't include any player before my era as a favorite player.

For me, Pete Rose would be #1. Pete got me interested in watching baseball
and I never enjoyed watching a player as much as him. By the way I also think
he  should NOT be inducted into the Hall of Fame and yet I probably spend more
time  at his exhibit in the HOF museum than I do for any other player when I
go to  Cooperstown.

#2 would be Johnny Bench. He solidified me as a Reds fan and was my  favorite
player as a kid.

#3 .............. there are a lot of candidates for this spot. I think the
thing I most enjoyed watching after those two guys was Bob Gibson throw fast
balls. as a Reds fan there were many times he was dusting my guys but man, when
that guy was on it was fun to watch. He was already a force by the time I
was  watching him in 64 or so and always a problem for my team, but I remember
what  he did to the Red Sox in the series in 67. He was flawless. And the guy
probably pitched 300+ innings a year back then.

Well, that's my 3.

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To: , 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:18:39 -0500
From: obcjohn@knology.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Help....again

I'd recommend webspawner.com, which I have used for about 11 years with almost
no problems.  Their free web space has some limitations but it is extremely
reliable.  They also offer an upgrade for a monthly charge (4.95, I think).
 You  might check them out.

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:28:23 -0500
From: trufan999@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I agree with the Dawson/Parker theory of is one goes in they both deserve it.

My vote(s) would be for
Henderson and Rice

-----Original Message-----
From: jeff sinclair 
To: o b 
Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:37 pm
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Dawson/Parker if one goes the other has to go too.

To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: uthminsta@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 05:49:39 +0000
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Good news, guys! The Baseball writers have asked for our vote. Just
kidding... but howzabout we have a mock election anyway? The REAL
results will be made public on January 12th, so let's say we gotta get
our votes in by January 10th - that will give you some time to
research the candidates if you want. Other than that, same basic
rules apply; you can vote for anywhere from zero to ten of the guys
listed below. Seventy-five percent of the vote makes them our OBC
candidate. Any takers?

2009 HOF CANDIDATES
Harold Baines
Jay Bell
Bert Blyleven
David Cone
Andre Dawson
Ron Gant
Mark Grace
Rickey Henderson
Tommy John
Don Mattingly
Mark McGwire
Jack Morris
Dale Murphy
Jesse Orosco
Dave Parker
Dan Plesac
Tim Raines
Jim Rice
Lee Smith
Alan Trammell
Greg Vaughn
Mo Vaughn
Matt Williams

Just thought I would give everyone a chance to really get into what
they think of the game in recent years, how it h
as affected our view
of the best players of the last 2-3 decades, where the cutoff is for
each of us, etc...

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 12:41:22 -0600 (CST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: hoot_owl1@verizon.net
Subject: three favorite players




Three favorite players--number one is easy


Mickey Mantle--I grew up along with legions of other kids idolizing the Mick.  This story ties into the first game I ever went to--either 1964 or 1965 my family traveled to NYC to go to the World's Fair.  We made it to one Yankee game--I know the Yanks played the Tigers, Whitey pitched, Mickey belted an HR, and Tom Tresh walked with the bases loaded in the bottom of the ninth for a Yankees win.  About all I remember--but then we had Mantle little league bats and Mantle autograph gloves.  Have to admit--I didn't see much of Mantle other than the decline of his prowess.  I usually got to see him wiff with style on the Saturday games of the week--but the stories and all were larger than life.


#2--Probably Clemente in large part because of the TV exposure that the Pirates got during my "baseball" years while they were in the playoffs.  Nothing quite like Roberto Clemente running to the corner, making a great catch and throwing a strike to home or third.  And than doesn't even consider his clutch hitting and great base running.  He had it all.


#3--I am going to say Catfish Hunter for a bunch of reasons (none of which have him signing with the Yankees as a free agent).  1965 was the first year I remember buying packs.  We got 1/2 a box of series 7 from the Jim Konstanty sporting goods store--and "Tim" Hunter was in a pack along with his rookie mates Blue Moon, Rene Lachman and Skip Lockwood (not a bad rookie card).  For some reason I liked the 65 A's uniforms--and many of the 65 A's cards were almost action shots as opposed to those awful head shots.  And finally--how can you not like someone nicknamed Catfish--he was a pretty good pitcher to boot.


peter mead


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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:44:03 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: HALL OF FAME with 20 voters so far...

With 20 voters in just a matter of hours, I thought it might be nice
to see are a few leaders.  Only one candidate currently has enough
support for election, and you could probably guess who:

RICKEY "hot dog" HENDERSON, with 19 of 20 votes (95%).
Next in line:
Jim Rice with 13 votes (65%)
Blyleven and Dawson with 10 votes (50%)
No one else has more than 25% support so far, but there's still a lot
of time left, and a lot of voters still out there!  Oh, and there has
been one write-in: Jim Kaat.  But no votes yet for Bell, Gant, Grace,
McGwire, Orosco, Plesac, G.Vaughn, M.Vaughn, Williams.  Only one voter
has submitted a ballot with the maximum of ten players, and no one yet
has submitted an empty ballot.

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To: 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 15:03:03 -0500
From: obcjohn@knology.net
Subject: More Availables

I've added some to the leftovers from the last availables.  FCFS, but please
include your address.

1951 Bowman:   29

1952 Bowman:   32(trimmed)  55

1952 Red Man:  10A (Groth)

1954 Red Man:   10N (Schoendienst)

1957 Topps:   251

1959 Topps:   164

1963 Topps:   521

1965 Topps:  248

1967 Topps:  73 233 247 442 473

1968 Topps:   180

1969 Topps:   630

1970 Fleer:   5(1908)

1970 Topps:   90 293 416 423

1973 Topps:   426 468

1979 OPC:   268

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 13:00:18 -0800 (PST)
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Joel GYselinck 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] HALL OF FAME with 20 voters so far...

My Votes:

David Cone and Bert Blyleven

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, uthminsta1  wrote:

From: uthminsta1 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] HALL OF FAME with 20 voters so far...
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 10:44 AM

With 20 voters in just a matter of hours, I thought it might be nice
to see are a few leaders. Only one candidate currently has enough
support for election, and you could probably guess who:

RICKEY "hot dog" HENDERSON, with 19 of 20 votes (95%).
------------ --------- --------- --------- ----
Next in line:
Jim Rice with 13 votes (65%)
Blyleven and Dawson with 10 votes (50%)
------------ --------- --------- --------- ----
No one else has more than 25% support so far, but there's still a lot
of time left, and a lot of voters still out there! Oh, and there has
been one write-in: Jim Kaat. But no votes yet for Bell, Gant, Grace,
McGwire, Orosco, Plesac, G.Vaughn, M.Vaughn, Williams. Only one voter
has submitted a ballot with the maximum of ten players, and no one yet
has submitted an empty ballot.

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:04:50 EST
To: obcmac@hotmail.com, uthminsta@hotmail.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: DaPatriot1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Ricky  Henderson

That's about it

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To: ,
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:07 -0500
From: "Mark Holland" 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that it is time to let Pete Rose in the HOF.  He bet on his team toWIN
so how can that be perceived as negative?  I feel that a person betting
on his team to win pales in comparison to the shenanigans going on today.If
a player has a "late night" and comes in "unfit" to give 100%, isn't that
a worse crime than Pete's?  What about steroids, are we going to ban everyone
from that era?  Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes so that he would hurt
people sliding into second base.  Would we have considered Steve Howe if
he had the credentials?  All of these are worse than betting on baseball....as
long as you never bet on your team losing.  The owners bet on the game
every day...they bet that fans will keep coming no matter how much they charge.
Of course I think that all of the owners should be banned for "thegood
of the game".

Let's select Pete based on his talent and accomplishments and let him address
the off field problems.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mark Holland
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To: , ,
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:32:58 -0500
From: Mac Wubben 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I used to be in this camp too, until I realized that it's not about winningone
game, it's about what is doing best overall.  Having money on one gameis
strategically different than trying to win a season.  If Pete had bet only
on his team to win the world series, I'd have no problem letting him in.

To: obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;
DaPatriot1@aol.comFrom: wholla_m@bellsouth.netDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:07
-0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that it is time to let Pete Rose in the HOF.  He bet on his team toWIN
so how can that be perceived as negative?  I feel that a person betting
on his team to win pales in comparison to the shenanigans going on today.If
a player has a "late night" and comes in "unfit" to give 100%, isn't that
a worse crime than Pete's?  What about steroids, are we going to ban everyone
from that era?  Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes so that he would hurt
people sliding into second base.  Would we have considered Steve Howe if
he had the credentials?  All of these are worse than betting on baseball....as
long as you never bet on your team losing.  The owners bet on the game
every day...they bet that fans will keep coming no matter how much they charge.
Of course I think that all of the owners should be banned for "thegood
of the game".

Let's select Pete based on his talent and accomplishments and let him address
the off field problems.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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To: , , ,
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:38:40 -0500
From: richard dingman 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

It's refreshing to hear some dispassionate reason and un-common sense spoken
in the same sentence with the name Pete Rose.  It's discouraging to hear opinions
about him that go about as deep as a paper cut, and reflect littleunderstanding
or critical thinking about the important subject.
Thanks for the input.
Richard D

To: obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;
DaPatriot1@aol.comFrom: wholla_m@bellsouth.netDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:07
-0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that it is time to let Pete Rose in the HOF.  He bet on his team toWIN
so how can that be perceived as negative?  I feel that a person betting
on his team to win pales in comparison to the shenanigans going on today.If
a player has a "late night" and comes in "unfit" to give 100%, isn't that
a worse crime than Pete's?  What about steroids, are we going to ban everyone
from that era?  Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes so that he would hurt
people sliding into second base.  Would we have considered Steve Howe if
he had the credentials?  All of these are worse than betting on baseball....as
long as you never bet on your team losing.  The owners bet on the game
every day...they bet that fans will keep coming no matter how much they charge.
Of course I think that all of the owners should be banned for "thegood
of the game".

Let's select Pete based on his talent and accomplishments and let him address
the off field problems.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com, dapatriot1@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:44:42 -0500
From: trufan999@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

So, are we talking about on and off field accomplishments should be the criteria
for getting into the HOF??

Providing the sport the best on field accomlishments, and still keeping a fairly
sqeeky clean image off the field. Sosa, and McGwire are out, Bonds?????
Do we reinstate Hank Aaron's record as being the All Time record for HR King....

I don't know guys, but help..... Is Football, Basketball and Hockey percieved
in the same manner. Do all of those sports have the type of image throughout
to eliminate any one of those three names?

I think on the field, the rules changed enough to maybe consider them, Rosewas
busted as a manager, but his accomplishments as a player to me he deserves
it. Its the never ending questions and maybe the Hall will make their desision
and not leave it to the commissioners office...

John Leroux

-----Original Message-----
From: Mac Wubben 
To: wholla_m@bellsouth.net; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;
Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 5:32 pm
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I used to be in this camp too, until I realized that it's not about winningone
game, it's about what is doing best overall. Having money on onegame
is strategically different than trying to win a season. If Petehad
bet only on his team to win the world series, I'd have no problem letting
him in.

To: obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that it is time to let Pete Rose in the HOF. He bet on his team
to WIN so how can that be perceived as negative? I feel that a person
betting on his team to win pales in comparison to the shenanigans goingon
today.If a player has a"late night" andcomes in"unfit"
to give 100%,isn't that aworse crime thanPete's?
What about steroids, are we going to ban everyone from that era?
Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes so that he would hurt people slidinginto
second base. Would we have considered Steve Howe if he had the credentials?
All of these are worse than betting on baseball....as long
as you never bet on your teamlosing. The owners bet on the game
every day...they bet thatfans will keep coming no matter how muchthey
charge. Of course I think that all of the owners should be banned
for "the good of the game".

Let's select Pete based on his talent and accomplishments and let him addresstheoff
field problems.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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To: 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:56:51 -0500
From: "Ed Schott" 
Subject: Fw: Emailing: allstar

who can be the 1st to name every player in the photo
winner gets a surprise card from mwah
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To: Ed Schott
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 5:51 PM
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:23:46 EST
To: brightair@msn.com, wholla_m@bellsouth.net, obcmac@hotmail.com,
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Pete Rose cheated plain and simple.  And then on national television  told
baseball fans to prove he did anything.  And what was proved is  Bud Selig has
no semblence on any balls and Pete Rose still thinks he is bigger  than
baseball.  After all he he finally did admit he  gambled on games  but didn't
apologize.  After all he bet on his team and disregarded the  rules on betting on
games.  He was Pete Rose and those rules must not apply  to him.  He also
believes his son is good and that baseball is after HIM  after Jr. admitted to
suppling steroids to minor leagers.  I have no  problem voting him to the hall of
fame after he serves his lifetime  ban.   After all it a lifetime not into
forever.  he dies then  vote for him.  As for the steroid user I wont vote for them
either because  they cheated, and I wouldn't vote for Bonds when his turn
comes up just because  he an arrogant SOB who doesn't need baseball.  If you dont
believe me ask  him.

Ray Luurs

In a message dated 12/29/2008 4:39:07 P.M. Central Standard Time,
brightair@msn.com writes:

It's refreshing to hear some dispassionate reason and un-common  sense spoken
in the same sentence with the name Pete Rose.  It's  discouraging to hear
opinions about him that go about as deep as a paper  cut, and reflect little
understanding or critical thinking about the important  subject.
Thanks for the input.
Richard D

To: obcmac@hotmail.To: obcmac@hotmail., , ,
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:36:05 -0500
From: richard dingman 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Yup, pete cheated, he broke the rules.
He is also an arrogant, unrepentant jerk.
But he was a great athlete.
Others have done, are still doing, much more harm to the game than Rose, with
less condemnation.
I have no problem with some kind of a ban with an ending, just want some perspective.
Richard D

To: brightair@msn.com; wholla_m@bellsouth.net; obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com;
obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; DaPatriot1@aol.comFrom: LUURSCJG@aol.comDate:
Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:23:46 -0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]
2009 HOF - let's vote!

Pete Rose cheated plain and simple.  And then on national television told baseball
fans to prove he did anything.  And what was proved is Bud Selig has
no semblence on any balls and Pete Rose still thinks he is bigger than baseball.
After all he he finally did admit he  gambled on games but didn't apologize.
After all he bet on his team and disregarded the rules on betting
on games.  He was Pete Rose and those rules must not apply to him.  He also
believes his son is good and that baseball is after HIM after Jr. admitted
to suppling steroids to minor leagers.  I have no problem voting him tothe
hall of fame after he serves his lifetime ban.   After all it a lifetime
not into forever.  he dies then vote for him.  As for the steroid user Iwont
vote for them either because they cheated, and I wouldn't vote for Bonds
when his turn comes up just because he an arrogant SOB who doesn't needbaseball.
 If you dont believe me ask him.

Ray Luurs

In a message dated 12/29/2008 4:39:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, brightair@msn.com

Mark, It's refreshing to hear some dispassionate reason and un-common sensespoken
in the same sentence with the name Pete Rose.  It's discouraging tohear
opinions about him that go about as deep as a paper cut, and reflect little
understanding or critical thinking about the important subject.  Thanks
for the input.Richard D

To: obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com;
DaPatriot1@aol.comFrom: wholla_m@bellsouth.netDate: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:07
-0500Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that it is time to let Pete Rose in the HOF.  He bet on his team toWIN
so how can that be perceived as negative?  I feel that a person betting
on his team to win pales in comparison to the shenanigans going on today.If
a player has a "late night" and comes in "unfit" to give 100%, isn't that
a worse crime than Pete's?  What about steroids, are we going to ban everyone
from that era?  Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes so that he would hurt
people sliding into second base.  Would we have considered Steve Howe if
he had the credentials?  All of these are worse than betting on baseball....as
long as you never bet on your team losing.  The owners bet on the game
every day...they bet that fans will keep coming no matter how much they charge.
Of course I think that all of the owners should be banned for "thegood
of the game".

Let's select Pete based on his talent and accomplishments and let him address
the off field problems.

Just my 2 cents worth.

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To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 19:45:31 -0500
From: trufan999@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that if he knows its a lifetime ban, and that he will get in sometime after he dies, will satisfy him to some degree. What is worse not knowing if you will ever get in, or knowing... Hey, we acknowledge some things, and you'll get in, you'll never see it though....

Why not wait 100 years.... If you say you can forgive him, but not now..... Why?

He admits to it.... He knows it, it was wrong and it is keeping him out of the Hall..... If for now, why not forever

-----Original Message-----
From: richard dingman 
To: luurscjg@aol.com; wholla_m@bellsouth.net; obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; dapatriot1@aol.com
Sent: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 6:36 pm
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Yup, pete cheated, he broke the rules.
He is also an arrogant, unrepentant jerk.
But he was a great athlete.
Others have done, are still doing,?much more harm to the game than Rose, with less condemnation.
I have no problem with some kind of a ban with an ending, just want some perspective.
Richard D

To: brightair@msn.com; wholla_m@bellsouth.net; obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; DaPatriot1@aol.com
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:23:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

Pete Rose cheated plain and simple.? And then on national television told baseball fans?to prove he did anything.? And what was proved is Bud Selig has no semblence on any balls and Pete Rose still thinks he is bigger than baseball.? After all he he finally did admit he? gambled on games but didn't apologize.? After all he bet on his team and disregarded the rules on betting on games.? He was Pete Rose and those rules must not apply to him.? He also believes his son is good and that baseball is after HIM after Jr. admitted to suppling steroids to minor leagers.? I have no problem voting him to the hall of fame after he serves his lifetime ban.?? After all it a lifetime not into forever.? he dies then vote for him.? As for the steroid user I wont vote for them either because they cheated, and I wouldn't vote for Bonds when his turn comes up just because he an arrogant SOB who doesn't need baseball.? If you dont believe me ask him.

Ray Luurs

In a message dated 12/29/2008 4:39:07 P.M. Central Standard Time, brightair@msn.com writes:

It's refreshing to hear some dispassionate reason and un-common sense spoken in the same sentence with the name Pete Rose.? It's discouraging to hear opinions about him that go about?as deep as a paper cut, and reflect little understanding or critical thinking about the important subject.?
Thanks for the input.
Richard D

To: obcmac@hotmail.com; uthminsta@hotmail.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com; DaPatriot1@aol.com
From: wholla_m@bellsouth.net
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 17:27:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote!

I think that it is time to let Pete Rose in the HOF.? He bet on his team to WIN so how can that be perceived as negative?? I feel that a person betting on his team to win pales in comparison to the shenanigans going on today.??If a player has a?"late night" and?comes in "unfit" to give 100%,?isn't that a?worse crime than?Pete's?? What about steroids, are we going to ban everyone from that era?? Ty Cobb used to sharpen his spikes so that he would hurt people sliding into second base.? Would we have considered Steve Howe if he had the credentials?? All of these are worse than betting on baseball....as long as you never bet on your team?losing.? The owners bet on the game every day...they bet that?fans will keep coming no matter how much they charge.? Of course I think that all of the owners should be banned for "the good of the game".

Let's select Pete based on his talent and accomplishments and let him address?the?off field problems.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Mark Holland
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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:27:55 EST
To: Trufan999@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: DaPatriot1@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote! PETE ROSE

I think Rose belongs in the Hall. Heck He gambled on games  as a  manager,
NOT a player. Ban him from the hall as a manager. Think about  it...there are
many managers who are in the hall as a manager who had mediocre  careers. PLUS
MLB/the Hall is very contradictory , If you have been to  Cooperstown you will
see many pictures and posters and stats and a ball  here and there  of Pete
Rose only thing missing is the Plaque in the  shrine. So in a way he is in the
hall already. All in all I think what Rose did  was wrong But his accolades as
a player merit hall of fame status. Let Pete in  the Hall
My opinion

Rob "The FIREMAN"
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 02:29:23 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: Pete Rose and the lifetime ban

The term lifetime ban is pretty common when talking about Pete Rose.
But there is no such thing as a "lifetime ban."  The correct term is
"permanently ineligible."  The same term applies to Joe Jackson, who
deserves to be in the Hall too.  He's dead, and is still ineligible.
So long story short, Pete will not become eligible when he dies.

Although... I think I might actually prefer a lifetime ban, so we
could say that Pete would not benefit from his enshrinement in any
way, but the all-time hit king could still be in the hall.

SIGH.  Pete Rose.  What a sad story.  By which I mean: I don't care
much for the man, but I sure wish the all-time hit king could be in
the Hall.  I read his book 'My Prison Without Bars' (available to the
first person to claim it) and, I hate to say it, but I was
disappointed.  In my opinion, there is not much that is more grating
on my nerves than listening to someone go on and on about themselves,
and even admit they were wrong, but be completely unrepentant of it.
Completely without remorse.  Completely flippant...  Anyway...  that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.

Now get out there and vote.

PS I will count votes for Pete.  Cause I can do that!

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To: 
Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 21:52:56 -0500
From: "ken pillion" 
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote! PETE ROSE

Someone said that Pete was a great athlete.  He was not.  He was a great
competitor.  I remember watching a game on TV when I was a kid.  It was the
bottom of the 9th with 2 outs and the tying run on second.  Pete was up and
they were going to wall him.  On the 3rd pitch out Pete lunged out at the
ball and hit it to left field for a double.  He caught everyone off guard.
I also saw him get ticked off at the National in Atlanta back in the mid 90s
and walk out because no one was buying his autographs.

Baseball needs to decide if it is going to elect players by just what they
do on the field or their total life.  There are several guys in the Hall
that could be kicked out.  If I'm not mistaken Mantle and Mays were both
placed on the 'ineligible' list for the Hall because they were working for a
casino in Vegas.  And if he were playing now there would be a full time
network TV channel devoted just to Babe Ruth and his life style.  I thing
the Hall is being two faced about Pete.  They have exhibits displaying his
memorabilia and they charge people to look at it.  But they will not let him
in, unless he buys a ticket.

Does he deserve to be in?  Yes.  Should he be in?  No, not until he makes a
full apology.

From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of DaPatriot1@aol.com
Sent: Monday, December 29, 2008 9:28 PM
To: Trufan999@aol.com; obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote! PETE ROSE

I think Rose belongs in the Hall. Heck He gambled on games  as a manager,
NOT a player. Ban him from the hall as a manager. Think about it...there are
many managers who are in the hall as a manager who had mediocre careers.
PLUS MLB/the Hall is very contradictory , If you have been to Cooperstown
you will see many pictures and posters and stats and a ball here and there
of Pete Rose only thing missing is the Plaque in the shrine. So in a way he
is in the hall already. All in all I think what Rose did was wrong But his
accolades as a player merit hall of fame status. Let Pete in the Hall

My opinion

Rob "The FIREMAN" Gioia

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 18:53:12 -0800 (PST)
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: John Stamper 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pete Rose and the lifetime ban

I'll throw my vote in for Pete and Shoeless Joe along with the already counted

John Stamper

--- On Mon, 12/29/08, uthminsta1  wrote:

From: uthminsta1 
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Pete Rose and the lifetime ban
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:29 PM

The term lifetime ban is pretty common when talking about Pete Rose.
But there is no such thing as a "lifetime ban." The correct term is
"permanently ineligible." The same term applies to Joe Jackson, who
deserves to be in the Hall too. He's dead, and is still ineligible.
So long story short, Pete will not become eligible when he dies.

Although... I think I might actually prefer a lifetime ban, so we
could say that Pete would not benefit from his enshrinement in any
way, but the all-time hit king could still be in the hall.

SIGH. Pete Rose. What a sad story. By which I mean: I don't care
much for the man, but I sure wish the all-time hit king could be in
the Hall. I read his book 'My Prison Without Bars' (available to the
first person to claim it) and, I hate to say it, but I was
disappointed. In my opinion, there is not much that is more grating
on my nerves than listening to someone go on and on about themselves,
and even admit they were wrong, but be completely unrepentant of it.
Completely without remorse. Completely flippant... Anyway... that's
my story and I'm sticking to it.

Now get out there and vote.

PS I will count votes for Pete. Cause I can do that!

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:10:04 EST
To: DaPatriot1@aol.com, Trufan999@aol.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 2009 HOF - let's vote! PETE ROSE

I think we re raise this discussion each year about this time, for obvious
reasons. If nothing else Pete will remain topical for as long as guys like us
remember him.

I may have inadvertently started it this year by calling Pete my favorite
player and at the same time stating that I don't think he should be in the  Hall.

He should not. He was an amazing player. He has established one of the
biggest records in baseball and he violated the only absolute rule posted in  every
clubhouse in baseball.
Landis saved the game, maybe, when he "cleaned up" baseball after the Black
Sox scandal. None of us can know how deep the wound was from that debacle.  It
was bad. And baseball may have gone away from it. That can be debated
forever, but true or not Landis did what he believed was needed to save the  game.
No gambling.
You can do drugs, you can shoot your wife you can even play like crap. But
you can absolutely never gamble in, on or around baseball. He recognized the
death threat that gambling was and made this very clear statement.
Pete broke that rule. He has admitted to chronic gambling since his early
years as a player. He has admitted betting on baseball as a player/manager and
he has admitted betting ON his team as a manager. Who knows the absolute
truth.  He has changed his story many times. It doesn't matter.
He broke the 1 absolute rule.
It doesn't matter that you like him or don't like him. He broke the  absolute
1 and only rule.
Compromise that and we might as well be professional  wrestling.
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 03:19:36 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Housley" 
Subject: David Cone story

After seeing Cone's name a couple of times in our OBC HOF election, I
thought I'd share this story. It has nothing to do with his playing
credentials, but I guarantee it will make everyone cringe:

In the book "The Worst Team That Money Could Buy" (about the Mets when
they signed Bonilla, & how that season went all kinds of wrong for
them), the authors reveal that, at one time, David Cone walked around
the clubhouse dragging a 5-pound weight tied to his, uh, self.

(They also reveal that once Darryl Strawberry, while harassing a female
reporter in the clubhouse, used his, uh, self to stir together an ice-
cream sundae, and was enjoying it a bit too much, if you get my drift.)

Now back to the usual fun!

PS - my HOF vote: Henderson and only Henderson. I'm with the crowd that
says the Hall is for the elite, not the pretty-damn-good. Rice,
Blyleven, Dawson, Parker etc all get my respect as pretty-damn-good
players, but - in my eyes - they don't reach my idea of the true elite
players. Argument may commence immediately.

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:24:40 -0600
To: Ed Schott 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Emailing: allstar

Let's try these guys.

Brooks Robinson
Bobby Murcer
Carl Yastrzemski
Dick Allen
Earl Weaver
Bill Freehan
Bobby Grich
Rod Carew
Reggie Jackson

Greg (yaz)

Ed Schott wrote:
> 
> who can be the 1st to name every player in the photo
> winner gets a surprise card from mwah
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Schott 
> *To:* Ed Schott 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2008 5:51 PM
> *Subject:* Emailing: allstar
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (OBCRamblings),Yaz 
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 04:36:37 +0000
From: originaleek@comcast.net
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: Emailing: allstar

Bobby Grich!!!!! Thanks Yaz, I was getting a headache trying to identify him.

"We Keep what we give away"

-------------- Original message --------------
From: Yaz 
Let's try these guys.

Brooks Robinson
Bobby Murcer
Carl Yastrzemski
Dick Allen
Earl Weaver
Bill Freehan
Bobby Grich
Rod Carew
Reggie Jackson

Greg (yaz)

Ed Schott wrote:
> 
> who can be the 1st to name every player in the photo
> winner gets a surprise card from mwah
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ed Schott 
> *To:* Ed Schott 
> *Sent:* Monday, December 29, 2008 5:51 PM
> *Subject:* Emailing: allstar
> ----------------------------------------------------------

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Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:39:38 -0600
To: Bob Reed 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players

Bob, I can't name just three so you can disqualify my vote but I can
still ramble.

Frank Malzone--My earliest favorite player.
Yaz--My enduring favorite player.
Tony Conigliaro--Tony C was overshadowed by Yaz for me and never got the
chance to surpass him.
Billy Williams--His game streak caught my attention. His excellence
made him a favorite.
Cecil Cooper--His batting after he left Boston was terrific. Loved to
watch him.
Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio-- They cannot be separated. They played
the game the way it is supposed to be played.

I cannot name Teddy Ballgame because I was too young to realize his
greatness when I saw him play.
I cannot name Dustin Pedroia yet but another couple of years imitating
all the best qualities of Biggio and he's there.

Greg (yaz)

Bob Reed wrote:
> Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start
> one up for favorite players.  This may help some of us find a home for
> some of those oddball items hanging around.  Let's limit it to 3
> players please.  Explanations on why they are your favorite are
> encouraged.
> Here's mine.
> 1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him.  Played against his
> nephew in high school.  Plus he's my HOM nominee.
> 2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet
> (Cleveland) and one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980,
> I decided to jump aboard the Astro wagon.  Jose Cruz somehow became my
> favorite and I wore #25 in high school because of him.
> 3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when
> I lived in California so of course the young superstar had to become
> my favorite.  My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then
> Baltimore (for a year) and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.
> -Bob
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows
> Vista®. See how 

=================

Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2008 22:53:31 -0600
To: Bob Reed 
From: Yaz 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Favorite Players *Forgot one*

Bob, I can't name just three so you can disqualify my vote but I can
still ramble.

Frank Malzone--My earliest favorite player.
Yaz--My enduring favorite player.
Tony Conigliaro--Tony C was overshadowed by Yaz for me and never got
thechance to surpass him.

Billy Williams--His game streak caught my attention. His excellence
made him a favorite.
Cecil Cooper--His batting after he left Boston was terrific. Loved to
watch him.
Dwight Evans--Dewey could do everything. Unfortunately it took him half
his career to figure it all out.

Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio-- They cannot be separated. They played
the game the way it is supposed to be played.

I cannot name Teddy Ballgame because I was too young to realize his
greatness when I saw him play.
I cannot name Dustin Pedroia yet but another couple of years imitating
all the best qualities of Biggio and he's there.

Greg (yaz)

Bob Reed wrote:
> Since Aaron's favorite teams thread went so well I thought I'd start
> one up for favorite players.  This may help some of us find a home for
> some of those oddball items hanging around.  Let's limit it to 3
> players please.  Explanations on why they are your favorite are
> encouraged.
> Here's mine.
> 1 Dean Chance - Grew up about 15 miles from him.  Played against his
> nephew in high school.  Plus he's my HOM nominee.
> 2 Jose Cruz - Since I wasn't yet a fan of the local team yet
> (Cleveland) and one of my favorite pitchers sign with Houston in 1980,
> I decided to jump aboard the Astro wagon.  Jose Cruz somehow became my
> favorite and I wore #25 in high school because of him.
> 3 Reggie Jackson - Went to my first ball game in 1969 in Oakland when
> I lived in California so of course the young superstar had to become
> my favorite.  My favorite team followed Reggie, first Oakland, then
> Baltimore (for a year) and then (I ashamed to admit it now) the Yankees.
> -Bob
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Life on your PC is safer, easier, and more enjoyable with Windows
> Vista®. See how 

=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:29:19 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: The Tucson finds!

Here is waht I found out - there is not much vintage available here
at the shops I visited.  Joshua did point me in the direction of a
shop he visited in the past - Mountain View, but they have downsized
to one location, and carried very little vintage.  I also stopped by
a shop called Canyon State Collectibles.  That guy was willing to
give me 50% of the Beckett high number on a couple of 33 Goudey
commons.  I did manage to spend 5 bucks at his shop though, and I was
hoping the OBC community can help me figure out what I picked up.  It
is some kind of bazooka or topps insert, I am guessing from the
50's.  It is standard sized, and onthe front it advertises
for "FREE!! Major league team emblems"  It also has a picture of a
Milwaukee Brave emblem, a L.A> Dodger emblem, and a New York Yankee
emblem.  The three emblems are set with a yellow background.  On the
back, it gives directions to send a wrapper to bazooka, and gives the
bazooka address.  It also has the good old TCG copyright on the
bottom.  So, can anyone tell me what I have, and how much I overpaid
for it.

I am still hoping to hear from a card shop owner in the Tucson Mall.
He said he has some banged up vintage that he keeps at home.  He was
supposed to call me today, but didn't.  I will have to give him a
call tomorrow and see if he came up with anything.

Hopefully tomorrow I will be able to score a few hits.  I will keep
the group posted.

=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 05:32:20 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak" 
Subject: OPC begging.

This year for Christmas, I gave my brother in law a nice wish list.  I
was looking for a starter set from OPC.  I had asked for  a starter set
of OPC from either 70, 72, or 78.  I have been eyeballing starting a
Canadian issue for a while, and I figured Christmas was a good time to
get started.  My brother in law likes to shop ebay, so I figured it was
an easy match.  He lost a few auctions, and said that he just did not
find a lot of lots available.  SOOOOOOOOOOO, I am begging for a starter
set.   Even if it is not one of the three years that I asked my brother
in law for, I would like to start one OPC set.   If anyone can help to
get the ball started, I will be forever grateful.  Thanks

=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 08:04:05 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikerw7" 
Subject: How I feel about MLB (continuing the thread)

All right, I'm going to jump into this thread, for a couple reasons:
1)I feel like I should be too young to be a curmudgeon, but I can
relate to what Bob, Richard, Jim, Mark et al expressed, 2)it gives me
the chance to express my perspective on the issue as a Yankee fan.

In 1978, I lived and breathed baseball.  Nearly every summer morning I
rode my bike the one block to our sandlot field, with my glove (that I
still have) hooked on one handlebar and carrying a bat in the other
hand.  Often my parents would chastise me for not coming home for
lunch=97and sometimes I would not reappear until it was so dark that
playing became dangerous.  I can still recite Guidry's W-L and ERA,
Reggie's homers ("Taters") and RBIs, and talk about the strengths and
weaknesses of the starting lineup of the Bronx Zoo (and now I know
their weaknesses a bit more in detail=97then it was just baseball).
In '94, I was in seminary in Pasadena, just starting to work with
people in poverty, and used to splurge to drive down to Anaheim to
watch the Yanks play the Angels (one weekend my wife indulged me to
catch the whole series!). The strike made me swear off baseball.  The
Yankees were contending, and then, suddenly=97the season was gone.
But my resolve was short-lived, since the '96 Yankees actually made
the World Series, and had a chance to regain the title after 18
years=97remember, I was 10 when they'd last won.  I know certain other
fans wait decades longer=97or forever=97but at 28, that was most of my
life.  I got really excited, and that Torre-led team actually kept a
pretty strong core so that it seemed a little less like "cheering for
the laundry" (Jerry Seinfeld) and I could actually recite the lineup
again.  The players even seemed to have some sense of camaraderie.
Imagine that.

Then steroids hit the front pages, and greed beyond greed (remember
when a million dollar salary made the front page of Sports
Illustrated?) (facetious, I know many of you remember well before
million dollar contracts), and nearly another strike.  The contrast
between what I try to do in my life and what these guys do and how
they behave and how much they make just became too...sickening.  I
don't mean that I'm righteous (really, I'm not=97ask my wife), but that
I work with some people who have nothing=97this last trip to Nicaragua I
had a serious conversation about whether a toothbrush is a necessity
or a luxury (Answer: Depends) and the guys who make seven million a
year for being ehh and WHINE ABOUT IT...yeah, I can't cheer for that.
Not even for my beloved Pinstripes.  I saw a game in Seattle this
year, but that was my first in...three years?  I don't even glance at
scores and standings more than a couple times a month.  Maybe a little
more in September.

In contrast, I went to see the AppleSox, our local college-eligible
team, twenty or so times this year, and even drove to see their
all-star game.  Man, it was fun!  This was my first year to get
excited about amateur baseball.  The fans care about the young guys
who play, the players stay with a host family all summer so they can
play here in Wentchee, and this year the AppleSox gave their long-time
and very successful coach a (nearly) new truck!  Plus, we made the
finals! (But lost.  Oh, well.)

As for the Yankees:  Yeah, the money thing sucks and George sucks in a
big way, as far as how he's influenced Baseball.  It's hard not to
talk out of both sides of my mouth, though, because I really loved
watching them blast through the playoffs in the late nineties.  But
seriously, what do you do?  I'm a lifelong Yankee fan because of my
devotion to them as a kid and that part of my relationship with my
late dad.  Even if Major League Baseball has become ugly and my team
is one of the most guilty parties, I'm still a Yankee fan.  I've
always disliked bandwagoning, and I could no more change my baseball
loyalty than my eye color (sure, tinted contacts or buy a different
jersey, but that wouldn't change reality).
So, now I collect cards, and remember the days when players were, if
not innocent, at least serious about trying to win most of the time
and making "only" lots of money instead of obscene money.  I read
about baseball in the fifties and sixties and feel like I was born too
soon.  I'm forty and I'm a grumpy old guy yearning for the Good Old
Days (most of which were before my birth) and bemoaning the state of
the game I love.

All that being said, the Phillies have always been my NL team (from
Schmidt, Bowa, Boonie, Maddox, McBride, Lefty, and then Rose) and it
really was fun to see them make it this year and have a team that
seemed to care.

But the problems with the game are too deep for me to hope for things
to get better unless something huge changes.  Though, truthfully, I do
hope.  Nothing I said is much different than what you expressed, Bob,
other than my personal perspective and my version of nostalgia.  I do
love baseball, the history and competition and personalities and lore
represented in the cards.  I'm teaching my kids to play and hopefully
one of them will want to collect.  I dreamed of growing up to play
shortstop for the Yankees.  But would I even want that dream for my

Mike Rumley-Wells

=================

To: 
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 10:24:50 -0500
From: Mac Wubben 
Subject: Fun lot...if anyone wants to share

Couldn't resist...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageNameSTRK:MEWNX:IT&item190276776684

Let me know if anyone wants to share.

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http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/127032870/direct/01/
=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 13:12:43 -0500
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Sean McGowan 
Subject: HELP! Is there an Architect in the house?

My Daughter wants to change majors and needs to talk
to a real Architect.  If you are one or know one, please
drop me a line.  Then I will have to try to hit your want list :)

=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:03:04 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: KEVINM38@aol.com
Subject: Re: My Favorite Player

Hi all,

My Favorite Players

Ernie Banks..He had me and my girlfriend (at the time) sit with him during  a
card show and talked to us like he was our older brother, he was just so
nice!!, We sat with him for at least an hour and he was making fun of Willie

Harmon Killebrew, One of the nicest people I ever meet in my  life.

and Al Kaline..I looked up to him when I was a kid.

and last but not least Eddie Murray, he and I talked for a good 15 minutes
while he signed a baseball for me, I told him I was a Mets fan and he joked
with  me he was not going to sign the ball as he called his time with the Mets a
Prison sentence, But we started talking and we both were laughing, he was a
real  nice guy.

Worst - Mike Schmidt, he was at the 500 Homerun show in NY back in the last
80's and he was getting in my face that I just wanted his auto to sell the
ball  for the dollars. I asked him why was he there? and then he really got
pissed and  got Ted Williams involved and as they signed my ball, they rolled it
back to me  trying to smear their auto's. So Mike you get my "Worst Fan Player
award. Yes  Mike was a great player, but a lousy person.

Strangest Player - Peter Rose, I watched him sign 2 baseballs at the same
time, using both hands, and you could not tell the Auto's apart.

To all a Happy and Healthy New Year
Kevin Martens
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 20:11:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikerw7" 
Subject: PS

As my 9- and 5-year-old girls were just now cleaning their room, they founda
ticket stub from a game this summer.  They burst into a spontaneous chorus
of "Take Me Out to the Ballgame" with "...it's root, root, root for the APPLESOX..."
 Yup.  That's the point.

=================

To: 
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 15:37:21 -0500
From: obcjohn@knology.net
Subject: Availables taken

All the listed availables have been gobbled up except 1959 Topps 164 and 1967
Topps 73.

=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 14:07:48 -0800 (PST)
To: "T.J. Valacak" 
From: Matthew 
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Tucson finds!

Hi TJ,

I recommend checking Dave Hornish's blog "Topps Archives" (http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com) when you find oddball TCG stuff. There's a ton of good info, including a team emblem profile that sounds similar to what you have...

http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/2008/09/topps-action-emblems.html

As for value, I'm not sure! About $5? :)

----- Original Message ----
From: T.J. Valacak 
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:29:19 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Tucson finds!

I did manage to spend 5 bucks at his shop though, and I was
hoping the OBC community can help me figure out what I picked up.  It
is some kind of bazooka or topps insert, I am guessing from the
50's.  It is standard sized, and onthe front it advertises
for "FREE!! Major league team emblems"  It also has a picture of a
Milwaukee Brave emblem, a L.A> Dodger emblem, and a New York Yankee
emblem.  The three emblems are set with a yellow background.  On the
back, it gives directions to send a wrapper to bazooka, and gives the
bazooka address.  It also has the good old TCG copyright on the
bottom.  So, can anyone tell me what I have, and how much I overpaid
for it.

=================

Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:12:39 EST
To: obc_spike@yahoo.com, tvalacak@comcast.net
From: LUURSCJG@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] The Tucson finds!

If i remember I sent money in for the Brookly Dodgers, New York Yankees,  and
two others.  They were a 1.25 a piece plus so many Bazooka gum cartoons  in
those penny candy.  To this day i cant chew that gum.
I never got them because I wrote so bad and my mother was busy and couldn't
help at the time.   My mom told they would be able to read my return  but as
usual mailed and never saw my embems or pennants or money again.

In a message dated 12/30/2008 4:08:12 P.M. Central Standard Time,
obc_spike@yahoo.com writes:

Hi TJ,

I recommend checking Dave Hornish's blog "Topps Archives"
(_http://toppsarchivehttp://topphtt_ (http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/) )  when you find
oddball TCG stuff. There's a ton of good info, including a team  emblem profile that
sounds similar to what you have...

_http://toppsarchivehttp://topphttp://tohttp://tohttp://toppsarchttp_
(http://toppsarchives.blogspot.com/2008/09/topps-action-emblems.html)

As  for value, I'm not sure! About $5? :)

----- Original  Message ----
From: T.J. Valacak <_tvalacak@comcast.tva_ (mailto:tvalacak@comcast.net) >
To:  _OBC-Ramblings@OBC-RamblingOBC_ (mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com)
Sent:  Tuesday, December 30, 2008 12:29:19 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] The Tucson  finds!

I did manage to spend 5 bucks at his shop though, and I was
hoping the OBC community can help me figure out what I picked up. It
is some kind of bazooka or topps insert, I am guessing from the
50's.  It is standard sized, and onthe front it advertises
for "FREE!! Major  league team emblems" It also has a picture of a
Milwaukee Brave emblem, a  L.A> Dodger emblem, and a New York Yankee
emblem. The three emblems are  set with a yellow background. On the
back, it gives directions to send a  wrapper to bazooka, and gives the
bazooka address. It also has the good  old TCG copyright on the
bottom. So, can anyone tell me what I have, and  how much I overpaid
for it.

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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 18:42:05 EST
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: Cards for the Troops web site is done! Please check it out

If you are interested, Gary Beard has built a great site for our little
Christmas venture:

_http://www.garybeardbbcards.webs.com/troops.htm_
(http://www.garybeardbbcards.webs.com/troops.htm)

Please check it out!    BB
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Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 23:54:01 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikerw7" 
Subject: Re: My Favorite Player

Man, these are fun discussions!  I spent WAY too much time (and lost mucho sleep
) working on my HOF votes. I'm still making up my mind, as it raises lots
of questions about one's view of the Hall and fandom in general, e.g.
how big a role should good character, "giving back," et al, play in whom one
votes for.

My three favorite players to watch and cheer for:  Reggie Jackson, Bucky Dent
and Bernie Williams.
Reggie and Bucky were my boyhood heroes.  As I've learned more about them, I'm
glad I can still admire them.
Bernie demonstrated the character, generosity, and quiet leadership as wellas
the on-field greatness that I long to see in contemporary players.  I hope
he makes the Hall.
There were tons of other candidates-including, by the way, Mike Schmidt, and
your story was sad for me to hear, though not altogether surprising.  Do you
still have the ball?

Happy New Year!

Mike R-W
--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, KEVINM38@... wrote:
> Hi all,
> My Favorite Players
> Ernie Banks..He had me and my girlfriend (at the time) sit with him during
> card show and talked to us like he was our older brother, he was just so
> nice!!, We sat with him for at least an hour and he was making fun of Willie
> Mays..
> Harmon Killebrew, One of the nicest people I ever meet in my  life.
> and Al Kaline..I looked up to him when I was a kid.
> and last but not least Eddie Murray, he and I talked for a good 15 minutes
> while he signed a baseball for me, I told him I was a Mets fan and he joked
> with  me he was not going to sign the ball as he called his time with theMets
> Prison sentence, But we started talking and we both were laughing, he wasa
> real  nice guy.
> Worst - Mike Schmidt, he was at the 500 Homerun show in NY back in the last
> 80's and he was getting in my face that I just wanted his auto to sell the
> ball  for the dollars. I asked him why was he there? and then he really got
> pissed and  got Ted Williams involved and as they signed my ball, they rolled
> back to me  trying to smear their auto's. So Mike you get my "Worst Fan Player
> award. Yes  Mike was a great player, but a lousy person.
> Strangest Player - Peter Rose, I watched him sign 2 baseballs at the same
> time, using both hands, and you could not tell the Auto's apart.
> To all a Happy and Healthy New Year
> Kevin Martens
> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,
> Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.
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=================

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:16:20 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikerw7" 
Subject: Re: My Favorite Player

Man, these are fun discussions!  I spent WAY too much time (and lost mucho sleep
) working on my HOF votes. I'm still making up my mind, as it raises lots
of questions about one's view of the Hall and fandom in general, e.g.
how big a role should good character, "giving back," et al, play in whom one
votes for.

My three favorite players to watch and cheer for:  Reggie Jackson, Bucky Dent
and Bernie Williams.
Reggie and Bucky were my boyhood heroes.  As I've learned more about them, I'm
glad I can still admire them.
Bernie demonstrated the character, generosity, and quiet leadership as wellas
the on-field greatness that I long to see in contemporary players.  I hope
he makes the Hall.
There were tons of other candidates-including, by the way, Mike Schmidt, and
your story was sad for me to hear, though not altogether surprising.  Do you
still have the ball?

Happy New Year!

Mike R-W
--- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, KEVINM38@... wrote:
> Hi all,
> My Favorite Players
> Ernie Banks..He had me and my girlfriend (at the time) sit with him during
> card show and talked to us like he was our older brother, he was just so
> nice!!, We sat with him for at least an hour and he was making fun of Willie
> Mays..
> Harmon Killebrew, One of the nicest people I ever meet in my  life.
> and Al Kaline..I looked up to him when I was a kid.
> and last but not least Eddie Murray, he and I talked for a good 15 minutes
> while he signed a baseball for me, I told him I was a Mets fan and he joked
> with  me he was not going to sign the ball as he called his time with theMets
> Prison sentence, But we started talking and we both were laughing, he wasa
> real  nice guy.
> Worst - Mike Schmidt, he was at the 500 Homerun show in NY back in the last
> 80's and he was getting in my face that I just wanted his auto to sell the
> ball  for the dollars. I asked him why was he there? and then he really got
> pissed and  got Ted Williams involved and as they signed my ball, they rolled
> back to me  trying to smear their auto's. So Mike you get my "Worst Fan Player
> award. Yes  Mike was a great player, but a lousy person.
> Strangest Player - Peter Rose, I watched him sign 2 baseballs at the same
> time, using both hands, and you could not tell the Auto's apart.
> To all a Happy and Healthy New Year
> Kevin Martens
> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,
> Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.
> (http://www.aol.com/?optinnew-dp&icidaolcom40vanity&ncidemlcntaolcom00000025)

=================

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 02:18:40 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1" 
Subject: bracing myself for the worst...

Hey everyone, I've certainly enjoyed kicking up a little dirt around
here the last few weeks.  Hope everyone is enjoying it as much as I have.

Anyway, I have to say this, just in case something goes horribly wrong:

As I'm writing this, I'm about to reinstall Windows on my computer,
hoping it will fix the problems with my DVDrom.  I've had two trusted
experts do their very best to figure out what's wrong with my
computer, working inside and out, and the last resort was to back up
all my files and wipe the computer.  So if you don't see much of me in
the next few days, it's for one of two reasons:
1) It didn't work, and now I have a useless computer.
2) I haven't recovered from our new year's eve youth lockin tomorrow

Let's hope it's the second one.

=================

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 16:02:58 -0800 (PST)
To: John Black , Carol Codere ,
From: Glenn Codere 
Subject: Happy New Year from Scotland!!

One of the good things about living in Europe is that we get to be the first to wish all of our friends and relatives in North America a Happy New Year!

As you read this, you can bet that I'm probably enjoying an excellent single malt Scotch Whisky , raising a glass to each and every one of you - well, perhaps not actually DRINKING a glass to each, although I've been known to try!!

Our very best wishes to you and yours for a happy, healthy, and properous 2009!!

Glenn & Maureen Codere
Glasgow, Scotland

=================

Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 18:34:36 -0800 (PST)
To: John Black , Carol Codere ,
From: Glenn Codere 
Subject: Happy New Year from Scotland!!

One of the good things about living in Europe is that we get to be the first
to wish all of our friends and relatives in North America a Happy New Year!

As you read this, you can bet that I'm probably enjoying an excellent single
malt Scotch Whisky , raising a glass to each and every one of you - well,perhaps
not actually DRINKING a glass to each, although I've been known totry!!

Our very best wishes to you and yours for a happy, healthy, and properous 2009!!

Glenn & Maureen Codere
Glasgow, Scotland