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Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 12:03:43 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: OBC Election Results
For some reason, Yahoo is not sending out via the Announcements server.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
It's the beginning of a new month, and the end of our OBC election season.
We had an election here in Chicago on Tuesday. If you know anything about
Chicago politics, you know that some dead folks vote, and some living folks
vote more than once. With all of those advantages, a record setting low 32% of
registered voters showed up at the polls.
I am proud to say that we blew that mark out of the water, and significantly
surpassed last year's lofty turnout. A stunning 108 voters, or over 81% of
those eligible took the time to vote in our election this year. Thank you to
everyone who participated.
From the first day votes started rolling in, this was a very close election.
The results were truly up in the air until the votes cast on the final day
were counted. It is a testament to the quality of candidates that ran this
year. Congratulations to everyone who shows their support of OBC, not only in
their card swapping actions, but in volunteering their precious time towards
making this a better group. We all benefit from their efforts.
Finally, before I announce the results, I would like to pay special tribute
to Geno Wagner. Geno, your time and effort to make this a better group are
well documented. But more importantly, your service and dedication to our
country are appreciated more than you know. Wherever your travels and duties
take you in the coming months, on behalf of all of OBC, I would like to say
thank you, be safe, and return home soon.
Now, on to the results.
The OBCAC Nonvoting Facilitator for 2007-08 will be Geordie Calvert.
Geordie sneaked by with the victory, running unopposed.
The OBC Advisory Committee for 2007-08 will be (alphabetically):
Andy Cook
Wayne Delia
Spike Glidden
Ken Morganti
Mike Rich
Steve Rittenberg
Mark Talbot
The alternate, should one of the above be unable or unwilling to serve out
his term, will be Larry Gersbach.
Gary Mandell
OBC Election Commissioner
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Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 16:42:48 -0600
To: "geno.wagner"
From: Yaz
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again
I thought a couple of years ago when they put this voting panel
together that it would be hard for anyone to get in and I was right. In
my opinion, the hall members that vote put tougher standards on players
not already in than were put on the players that have been elected
because they don't want to diminish their own exclusiveness. Unless the
player was one that played on their team or was a buddy, they aren't
going to vote for them. The writers in the hall that are on the panel
aren't voting for these guys either because any that get in makes the
writers that previously rejected them, which may even include
themselves, wrong and look bad.
I think baseball should hire a Bill James type to formulate a basic
guide using careers, seasons, and special game stats, all weighted,
along with records held and honors received compared against players of
the same era and then compared again against the ratings current members
of the Hall receive using the same formulas. If a guy led the league in
Batting 5 times, then it should count for something. If he won more
Golden Gloves then anyone at his position or once hit four homers in a
game or or stole 63 bases in a row without being caught or was the only
player to ever hit 50 triples and steal 50 bases in one year or came in
second in the Cy Young award balloting seven times, these things should
be noted and carry weight. If he is the career leader in assists or
20th in RBIs figure it in their somewhere. Then use this as a guide only
which can then be combined with intangibles such as how popular,
valuable, dependable, despicable or useless the player was or how much
his performance depended on his drugs, lineup, ballpark or anything
else. Then if the average HOFer has, say, a 500 on his formula and the
fellow being voted on has a 650, the voters can have the opportunity to
explain why they didn't vote for him was because they thought his sexual
misconduct in 19** dropped him about 100 points in their estimation, his
refusal to sign autographs was at least a 50 point deduction and since
he went to prison for a couple of years for not paying taxes on income
from his steroid factory in Mexico, he just can't have their vote.
Greg (yaz)
geno.wagner wrote:
> OBCers --
> It's a crime that my HOMer is not an HOFer. Santo is a class act and
> has the stats to back up a Hall bid. He was the best NL thirdbaseman
> of his day, and possibly the best in the ML as his stats compare very
> favorably with B Robby. I think the fact that three Cubbies off a
> non-winner have already made the HOF really hurts his chances. I
> don't know how else to explain it...
> Take Care, Geno
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Chuck Paris
> *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
> ; smartalecx@aol.com
>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:32 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again
> I thought that in the last few years, some committee was putting
> Negro leaguers, executives and a woman player or two in by the
> handfuls. Am I totally confused or thinking of something else?
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* smartalecx@aol.com
> *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
>
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:43 PM
> *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again
> Another year, another heartbreak for former Cubs star Ron Santo.
> The nine-time All-Star was denied entrance into the Hall of
> Fame on Tuesday in voting by the Veterans' Committee
> ,
> which once again declined to allow any former major leaguers
> into their exclusive club.
> Santo finished first on the ballot with 57 votes, or 69.5
> percent, five votes shy of the necessary 75 percent for
> induction. Santo was followed in the voting on the players
> ballot by former pitcher Jim Kaat, who garnered 52 votes (63.4
> percent), former Dodgers first baseman Gil Hodges with 50
> votes (61 percent) and former Twins outfielder Tony Oliva with
> 47 votes (57.3 percent).
> Santo was unavailable for comment immediately after the
> announcement, but his good friend and former teammate, Billy
> Williams, said he probably was devastated by the news.
> "I felt sorry for him because he was so looking forward to
> getting the call," Williams said. "I felt really good about it
> this year. I talked to Ernie [Banks] yesterday and I think
> everybody involved [wanted it to happen]. Maybe we were a
> little partial to him because we were teammates, but I really
> thought with the credentials he had, I think he was deserving
> of the Hall of Fame."
> Though no one has been inducted into the Hall by the Veteran's
> Committee in the three years it has voted--in 2003, '05 and
> '07--Hall of Fame Chairman Jane Forbes Clark said "we feel
> strongly the process is open and fair." Clark said the voting
> process will be re-evaluated on March 13 because no one had
> been elected in the new system. She also pointed out that
> "more than one quarter" of the voters are media members who
> had been elected to the Hall of Fame.
> Hall of Fame second baseman Joe Morgan said it was unfair to
> criticize the Veterans' Committee for not voting anyone in
> because "the writers voted on these guys 15 years without any
> of them being elected." Morgan disputed the notion that the
> Hall of Famers aren't looking closely at the candidate's
> credentials before voting.
> "The players did their due diligence," Morgan said.
> Santo said last week he was keeping a low-profile on the
> voting this year, but added: "Let's be honest, I want this
> badly, mainly because [the voting] is every two years. To me,
> two years, because of what I have with the diabetes and
> [getting] older, it's like eternity. If I do get in, I'd like
> to enjoy it."
> Santo, who turned 67 on Sunday, and said he's not interested
> in gaining the honor posthumously. In 2005 he tied for first
> on the ballot with Gil Hodges with 52 votes, but was still
> eight votes shy of induction. In '03 he placed third on the
> ballot with 46 votes, behind Hodges and Oliva.
> Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Santo was worthy of induction,
> and that he was disappointed to find out he was denied
> entrance once again.
> "Santo was a dominant player at his position for a long, long,
> time, and All-Star and a Gold Glover and a great ambassador
> for the game of baseball," he said. "It's a shame he just fell
> short."
> The entire Cubs family shared in Santo's disappointment,
> though Mark Prior may have put it best Monday when asked how
> Santo would handle it if he didn't make it this year.
> "Ron's pretty resilient,"Prior said. "The city has obviously
> embraced him as one of their own. He'll get over it. We hope
> he doesn't have to get over it. He's deserving of the honor,
> and it will be an awesome day to see him up there give that
> speech at Cooperstown."
> But that day will have to wait at least two more years,
> because the Veterans Committee only considers new members
> every other year. The next vote will take place in February of
> 2009.
> Williams believes the Hall of Fame will revise the voting to
> ensure there won't be a repeat of the last three ballots. Some
> believe the voting should take place every year instead of
> every two years.
> "That might be a good question that the committee is going to
> look at again," Williams said. "Every two years is a long
> time. It might be just like the present Hall of Fame [voting]
> where you vote every year to get a guy in if he has the right
> credentials, and I think Santo does have the right credentials."
> Copyright © 2007, The Chicago Tribune
>
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To: Yaz , geno.wagner
Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 18:00:31 -0500
From: Mac Wubben
Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again
I'm mostly unaware of James' analysis, but if you look at Santo's page here:
http://www.baseball-reference.com/s/santoro01.shtml
If you look at the HOF standards stat, and the HOF monitor stat...both either
James' or created based on his work, you'll see exactly what you expect for
Santo...close, but not quite close enough. My first look at the stat indicates
that it compares him against contemporaries, so it's pretty fair in
that regard. Santo should simply have been a little better or played fora
little longer (flopped around 33--health related???). My quick analysiswould
say that he was the fourth best player on a pretty crappy (but lovable)
team. No remarkable achievements or dramatic accomplishments. Yes, I'd
take him on my team any day, but I don't think he is hall worthy.
Sorry Geno et al.
To: geno.wagner@ntlworld.comCC: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.comFrom: yazobc@insightbb.comDate:
Thu, 1 Mar 2007 16:42:48 -0600Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings]
Santo, Hodges denied again
Geno,I thought a couple of years ago when they put this voting panel together
that it would be hard for anyone to get in and I was right. In my opinion,
the hall members that vote put tougher standards on players not already in
than were put on the players that have been elected because they don't want
to diminish their own exclusiveness. Unless the player was one that played
on their team or was a buddy, they aren't going to vote for them. The writers
in the hall that are on the panel aren't voting for these guys either
because any that get in makes the writers that previously rejected them, which
may even include themselves, wrong and look bad.I think baseball should
hire a Bill James type to formulate a basic guide using careers, seasons,
and special game stats, all weighted, along with records held and honors received
compared against players of the same era and then compared again against
the ratings current members of the Hall receive using the same formulas.
If a guy led the league in Batting 5 times, then it should count for something.
If he won more Golden Gloves then anyone at his position or once hit
four homers in a game or or stole 63 bases in a row without being caught
or was the only player to ever hit 50 triples and steal 50 bases in one year
or came in second in the Cy Young award balloting seven times, these things
should be noted and carry weight. If he is the career leader in assists
or 20th in RBIs figure it in their somewhere. Then use this as a guide only
which can then be combined with intangibles such as how popular, valuable,
dependable, despicable or useless the player was or how much his performance
depended on his drugs, lineup, ballpark or anything else. Then if the average
HOFer has, say, a 500 on his formula and the fellow being voted on has
a 650, the voters can have the opportunity to explain why they didn't vote
for him was because they thought his sexual misconduct in 19** dropped him
about 100 points in their estimation, his refusal to sign autographs was
at least a 50 point deduction and since he went to prison for a couple ofyears
for not paying taxes on income from his steroid factory in Mexico, he
just can't have their vote.Greg (yaz)geno.wagner wrote:>> OBCers --> > It's
a crime that my HOMer is not an HOFer. Santo is a class act and > has the
stats to back up a Hall bid. He was the best NL thirdbaseman > of his day,
and possibly the best in the ML as his stats compare very > favorably with
B Robby. I think the fact that three Cubbies off a > non-winner have already
made the HOF really hurts his chances. I > don't know how else to explain
it...> > Take Care, Geno> > >> ----- Original Message -----> *From:* Chuck
Paris > *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com>
; smartalecx@aol.com> >
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:32 PM> *Subject:*
Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again>> I thought that in the last
few years, some committee was putting> Negro leaguers, executives and a woman
player or two in by the> handfuls. Am I totally confused or thinking of
something else?> >> ----- Original Message -----> *From:* smartalecx@aol.com
> *To:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com> >
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:43PM>
*Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again>>> Another year,another
heartbreak for former Cubs star Ron Santo.>> The nine-time All-Star
was denied entrance into the Hall of> Fame on Tuesday in voting by the Veterans'
Committee> ,>
which once again declined to allow any former major leaguers> into theirexclusive
club.>> >> Santo finished first on the ballot with 57 votes, or 69.5>
percent, five votes shy of the necessary 75 percent for> induction. Santo
was followed in the voting on the players> ballot by former pitcher Jim
Kaat, who garnered 52 votes (63.4> percent), former Dodgers first basemanGil
Hodges with 50> votes (61 percent) and former Twins outfielder Tony Oliva
with> 47 votes (57.3 percent).>> Santo was unavailable for comment immediately
after the> announcement, but his good friend and former teammate, Billy>
Williams, said he probably was devastated by the news.>> "I felt sorry
for him because he was so looking forward to> getting the call," Williamssaid.
"I felt really good about it> this year. I talked to Ernie [Banks] yesterday
and I think> everybody involved [wanted it to happen]. Maybe we were
a> little partial to him because we were teammates, but I really> thought
with the credentials he had, I think he was deserving> of the Hall of Fame.">>
Though no one has been inducted into the Hall by the Veteran's> Committee
in the three years it has voted--in 2003, '05 and> '07--Hall of Fame Chairman
Jane Forbes Clark said "we feel> strongly the process is open and fair."
Clark said the voting> process will be re-evaluated on March 13 because
no one had> been elected in the new system. She also pointed out that> "more
than one quarter" of the voters are media members who> had been elected
to the Hall of Fame.>> Hall of Fame second baseman Joe Morgan said it wasunfair
to> criticize the Veterans' Committee for not voting anyone in> because
"the writers voted on these guys 15 years without any> of them being elected."
Morgan disputed the notion that the> Hall of Famers aren't lookingclosely
at the candidate's> credentials before voting.>> "The players did their
due diligence," Morgan said.>> Santo said last week he was keeping a low-profile
on the> voting this year, but added: "Let's be honest, I want this>
badly, mainly because [the voting] is every two years. To me,> two years,
because of what I have with the diabetes and> [getting] older, it's like
eternity. If I do get in, I'd like> to enjoy it.">> Santo, who turned 67 on
Sunday, and said he's not interested> in gaining the honor posthumously.In
2005 he tied for first> on the ballot with Gil Hodges with 52 votes, but
was still> eight votes shy of induction. In '03 he placed third on the> ballot
with 46 votes, behind Hodges and Oliva.>> Cubs manager Lou Piniella said
Santo was worthy of induction,> and that he was disappointed to find out
he was denied> entrance once again.>> "Santo was a dominant player at hisposition
for a long, long,> time, and All-Star and a Gold Glover and a great
ambassador> for the game of baseball," he said. "It's a shame he just fell>
short.">> The entire Cubs family shared in Santo's disappointment,> though
Mark Prior may have put it best Monday when asked how> Santo would handle
it if he didn't make it this year.>> "Ron's pretty resilient,"Prior said.
"The city has obviously> embraced him as one of their own. He'll get overit.
We hope> he doesn't have to get over it. He's deserving of the honor,>and
it will be an awesome day to see him up there give that> speech at Cooperstown.">>
But that day will have to wait at least two more years,> because
the Veterans Committee only considers new members> every other year. Thenext
vote will take place in February of> 2009.>> Williams believes the Hall
of Fame will revise the voting to> ensure there won't be a repeat of thelast
three ballots. Some> believe the voting should take place every year instead
of> every two years.>> "That might be a good question that the committee
is going to> look at again," Williams said. "Every two years is a long>
time. It might be just like the present Hall of Fame [voting]> where youvote
every year to get a guy in if he has the right> credentials, and I think
Santo does have the right credentials.">>> Copyright =A9 2007, The Chicago
Tribune> >>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------->
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Subject: Sandles should Show
I received an E-mail from OBC dealer Mike Sandles thanking OBC for the
E-mail I sent him wishing his father the best in his recovery. Mike
indicated that he "hoped" to see us Sunday at the Redford show. I took
that to mean that if nothing changes with his dad, he will be there.
Mike Rich
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To:
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 16:13:25 -0500
From: Mac Wubben
Subject: Down to one for the 64 set
Eagle eyed Steve Rittenberg scours Sims for hits to a short 64 Topps list...leaving
only one card to go: 488 Yankees Rookies. Anybody want to be a last
card hero?
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To: "vct" ,
Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2007 21:57:34 -0500
From: "ant"
Subject: 1964 giants needs & dupes
Hello All,
I am in need of:
1964 giants insert set vg #3(koufax),13(fox),19(groat),35(wickersham),51(mays),60(skowron
I have the following 3 Short Print dupes in ex avg condition:
Anthony Arbeeny
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To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 01:13:21 -0500
From: Mac Wubben
Subject: Rob Gioia comes through!!!
Rob Gioia comes through with the last 64T on the way. You'll see his name on
thanks server soon, but wanted to update the ramblings server that OBC has
come through again. Thanks Rob for grabbing the last one off of ebay...and
thanks to Steve R, Linda, and Mike Rich for knocking off the last few cards...they've
already been thanked, but like to announce my appreciation for
those hits. A slightly longer ramble to follow when the last cards arrive.
Thanks OBC!
Explore the seven wonders of the world
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?q7+wonders+world&mkten-US&formQBRE
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 13:11:38 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan"
Subject: OBCAC results
Thank you to all who voted and a special thank you to those who voted
for me, for OBCAC. This is my second time on OBCAC and I hope to
continue the fine tradition of those that have previsouly served our
group. I have now been in OBC for 6 1/2 years. Our group has grown
over that time, but I am struck by how few who join the group leave.
True, guys go inactive for a period of time, but few actually leave
for good, escpecially if they last at least 2 years. When looking at
this years OBCAC, I think we have all been in OBC for at least 6
years. In fact, I have been in OBC 1 month longer than Mark Talbot
who has been in OBC the shortest time among the OBCAC. Even our
alternate, Gersh has been in 5 years. Another interesting thing that
will make OBCAC meetings easier, is that other than Geordie, our
facilitator, all of the OBCAC is east of the Great Mississippi.
Of the 6 other members of OBCAC, I have met all but Wayne in person,
2 have been to my house (Talbot & Rittenberg), I have been to 3 of
their homes (Talbot, Rittenberg & Morganti) & ballgames with all 3 in
5 states and the District of Columbia, hooked up with a 4th at
another OBCers house (Cook at Talbot's), and met Spike at a National
(or 2 or 3). Our alternate Gersh roomed with me at a National and
has invited me to stay at his place before. So when we say it is
more than the cards, it is the friendships we make that set this
group apart. Sounds like this board can work together.
Mike Rich
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Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 06:51:02 -0800
From: "Grant"
Subject: Topps
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:31:28 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda"
Subject: And now batting for the Homestead Grays..David Duchovny!
Now this is a card i would like to see!--
I have found out there is a card in one of the X-Files sets released by
Inkworks that pictures David Duchovny of the TV show X-Files holding a
bat and he is in a batting stance with 2 members of the Homestead Grays
standing in the background.
The title of the card is "Triple Threat" and it is card # 82 but i
don't know which X-files set put out by Inkworks it is in.
I found out about the card on the Inkworks website but there is no
picture of the card unfortunately.-Linda
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Date: Sat, 03 Mar 2007 20:02:07 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Tigers opening game tic's
Attention all FOOT (Fraternal Order of Tiger fans) out there,
Registration for opening game tic's began this morning. If you are not a season ticket holder (which I am not) this is the only way to get a ticket w/o paying a scalper. In 51 years on the planet I have only been able to attend 1 opening game here in Detroit, I have put my request in again for this year and have my fingers crossed. I will be in the park no matter what a couple of days later as it has been an annual tradition for over 20 years now to attend the second home weekday day game with an old friend from High School and his buddies.
So this is a heads-up for Tiger loyalist to get your registration in if you even want a chance at going to the game. Hey, and if you win and you need a companion to the game I wouldn't mind doing that either. I'll even bribe you by offering to buy your first hot dog and drink. Well register if you are interested, here is the link to do so:
http://detroit.tigers.mlb.com/det/ticketing/openingday_form.jsp
Good luck to all - Opening Day is April 2nd here in Detroit!!!! LETS GO TIGERS, LETS GO!!!!
BE WELL!!!
REGARDS ------------------------- MARK
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 01:20:28 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan"
Subject: Huggins & Scott auction
For those of you that are unaware there is a major auction company
called Huggins and Scott. They have a couple BIG card (and everything
else) auctions each year. They currently have 1 running
(www.HugginsandScott.com). Of the 1531 lots, I am most interested in
40 lots. Special interest in 9 lots. They have lots of complete, near
complete sets, big group lots, star lots, etc. There are a few team or
player lots, especially Phillies and Orioles. These tend to be big
ticket items. Very few lots have a minimum bid under $100. I think
the 40 lots I am interested in have opening bids over $11,000. That
does NOT include the 15% buyer's hammer fee or postage. I finally got
on line today to check a few lots and most were already 2 to 4x the
opening bids and the auction does not end until March 7 and 8 (1/2 lots
end 1 day the other 1/2 the next day). If anyone is interested in
spliting/bidding on some of the group lots of T cards or big group lots
of oddball sets, please let me know. I hope to bid on 2 or 3 lots. If
nothing else I would recommend singing up for their free catalogs in
teh future, as they hae beautiful pictures of many rare cards, that
many of us only dream of acquiring.
Mike Rich
(248) 709-2235
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Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 01:56:45 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan"
Subject: Huggins and Scott part 2
I have already had a couple of requests for the lots I am interested
in. The 40 lots are by no means exclusive to those that I would like.
The 40 are; The 40 lots that made my first cut are:
93 103 131 134 141 183 247 253 255 258 259 273 275 363 638 641 674 817
832 838 839 848 866 882 914 931 979 994 997 998 999 1006 1012 1013 1018
1053 1114 1316 1353 1477
There are plenty of other lots that I would have an interest in
splitting with others.
Mike Rich
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To:
Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 22:22:20 -0800
From: "Brian Lindholme"
Subject: Geordie back in the NW
I can't believe it's been 8 days since I met up with pal Geordie and I still
haven't found keyboard time to explain how cool it was!!!
Since Geordie was nearby ( well Astoria is probably 2 hours from me in Vancouver,WA),
he decided to drive a few more hours...shortly after his 12 hr non-stop
ride from Merced !!
We attempted to meet up in Portland, but I don't know my way around that "big
city" so Geordie rescued me when I was just a few blocks from our meet point,
but clueless. I thought I saw Big Al drive by twice, so I knew that either
I was lost or Al was :)
Geordie sniffed out a baseball card shop and we stopped in quickly before they
closed, on our way to dinner.
Now that I live just 12 miles from the "best cardshop in 2 states" I have to
make a few trips back. It really wasn't bad at all !! About a million cards
and some large bargain boxes of OBC-type cards. Definitely worth a look everybody
!! Just don't ask ME how to get there :)
We had a nice conversation and a super duper steak dinner. This is the second
time that we have met, and of course, as with all OBC visits...it is thebest
thing ever. Geordie, I really appreciate your extra effort in making our
visit happen !!!!!
Maybe next time we meet, it will be down in the desert...I haven't been to that
neck 'o'the woods and Geordie's furniture store mighht come in handy filling
up my new house.
Yeah, we finally sold the old homestead in Florence and found another in Ridgefield
WA, just north of Vancouver. Dave Fallen, I figure I am within 80-90
miles of you now, so expect a call as soon as we settle in !!!!! I'm a bunch
closer to Grant, Mikeeeeee D and maybe even Big Al ( of course no one really
knows where the Saint lives, but the rumour is that is in Western Washington)
Anyway, it feels good to finally type out a ramble again. Thanks to all whoread
this far !!!
OBC Forever
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To:
Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 15:16:17 -0600
From: "Mark Z"
Subject: Fw: march madness- pick your bracket
I set up a group if anyone wants to jump in and pick your bracket against us
on yahoo.
group id 11629
pw - memphis
thanks, Mark Zentkovich
=================
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 04 Mar 2007 16:57:55 -0500
From: "Bob Reed"
Subject: NCAA
Sorry for the interruption but it's March and that means it's time for March
The past few years I've organized a contest were OBC members get assigned
teams in the tournament and if your team wins you get cards. Of course if
your team loses you send cards.
It works best with 16 participants but last year we had 20. The solution
this year is to run two contests. So if you're interested let me know if
you want to join both contests or just one. The first 16 respondents will
be in one contest and any additional respondents will be in the 2nd contest
The remaining spots in the 2nd contest will be filled from people from the
first contest. If you're in both contest you will have different teams.
Hope that's not too confusing.
The way it works is you get one team from each of the 4 brackets. One of
your 4 teams will be a 1-4 seed, one a 5-8 seed, one a 9-12 seed, and one a
13-16 seed. The sum of the four seeds will be 34. For instance you may get
a 2 seed, a 7 seed, a 10 seed, and a 15 seed. Again, if your team wins you
get cards from the owner of the losing team. The owner of the team that
wins the whole thing gets cards from everybody.
Any questions let me know and remember to let me know if you want to do both
contests or just one. Keep in mind that depending on the number of people
that respond, not everybody that requests both contest will get to do both
so get back to me quickly. I'll set a deadline of noon on Sunday March 11.
-Bob R
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Date: Sun, 4 Mar 2007 17:26:17 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: brockhattox@cs.com
Subject: 1956 Topps variations
For those of you who are into variations and/or trying to complete white and
gray back sets, I thought you would enjoy this info from an eBay seller from
who I just bought the Berra and Yost white backs. I also got an upgrade for
white back Dodgers team card, if anyone needs my old one.
Take care,
Hi Brock!
Same here! And I actually did it - I now have all 180 gray and white backs!!
It was pretty expensive with the Mantle, Mays, Clemente, Williams, etc. I
believe that my collection averages EXMT or better.
Now, I am looking for other variations. For example, as I mentioned in my
posting, check out the #128 Eddie Yost when you get it. You will find a blue line
just beneath Eddie beneath the red box. Check your gray back. I have found
the gray back with and without the blue line (although the blue line on the gray
back goes all the way across the bottom of the red box). I believe that this
was an experiment that Topps was doing with shadowing (or a printing goof). I
am looking for the Yost White Back WITHOUT the blue line. I have found similar
formats on other cards in the 1 - 100 series. This is the only one in the 101
- 180 series. There are actually 3 shadow versions in the 181 - 340 series
(Wynn, Bessent, and Whitey Ford).
As a P.S., I found the Yost, Rizutto, Spook Jacobs, and Enos Slaughter MUCH
tougher to find in White Back in the 101 - 180 series.
Unfortunately, this is all I have for now. Similar to you, I am looking for
Better yet, check out your Ted Williams card. This was the only card in the
set made with a gap between his name box and the white outer border on the
front. I have found that border filled with 2 colors (green and yellow) on the
white back and THREE colors (green, yellow, and thin blue) on the gray back. I am
led to believe that the thin blue line version may exist in white back. I
have searched high and low for it but it may not exist. This may be similar to
the dated 1955 team cards that are white back only.
Oh well, enough of that. As you can see, I am a variation geek! Thanks again
and I hope to hear from you again!
=================
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 01:19:44 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Chris Stufflestreet"
Subject: Thanks (Again) to the Wife...and OBC packages are on their way
Got injured at work last month...sat home for 3 weeks until my
shoulder was better...Glad to say I can go back on Wednesday!
Unfortunately, there was very little OBC stuff arriving to help me get
through the convalescence (and it's my own fault for not having much
to send out). Now, that can change...even if it's only temporary.
While I should probably be thankful that she allows me to stick
around, my wife Ellen has gotten me a couple of lots on eBay lately
that has frankly begun to make me wonder whether I'm soon going to
discover that there is an ulterior motive for the gifts...
Until then, I must share that Ellen won a lot of 100 cards from the
1957 Topps set on the Bay most in VG/EX...for about $1.80 each. 25%
of the set, all were commons (though Dusty Rhodes and Billy Hoeft are
beloved here in OBC Land) but the group was solid. No Yankees,
though, and only 1 Dodger -- Al Walker. The seller even tossed in 11
more '57s as "extras" that were dupes of cards in the lot and that was
a great thing to do. I needed only 23 of the cards but 52 more
upgraded what I had before the box showed up.
That left me with a bunch of dupes...so I checked a few wantlists out
and some of you will be seeing an envelope soon. Seven packages are
ready for the PO in the AM. So, gentelmen (and one lady...oops, gave
away one of the targets), hope they are still needed! And when you
send out your thanks...just remember that Ellen's eBay win made it
Take care,
=================
Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2007 15:00:21 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mark zentkovich"
Subject: baseball league-homers only
I have created an offbeat fantasy baseball league on yahoo sports.
Homers only!
one simple stat, no pitching, just long balls!
come and join.
it will be a live draft on:
Sun Mar 18 9:00pm CDT
league id:168178
password : obc
Hope to see you there.
=================
To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com"
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 19:05:42 -0500
From: Mac Wubben
Subject: Help me with the 57 mid highs--can I bribe anyone?
My 57T's seem very attainable. I thought about perhaps trying to raid a few
"available" lists (aka other 57 lists), but thought I'd ask for volunteers
My needs:
30 Pee Wee 276 Pyburn 287 Jones 290 Carey 317 Giants 324 Dodgers 326 Bolling
343 Phillips
I have these misc dupes, and lots of other stuff if someone wants to help out:
1957 Topps 161 (pirates team) 301 318 330 334 347
Other stuff
55 Bowman #37 Pee Wee
56 Topps Orioles Team Card (centered undated)
67 #597 Sullivan
53 Topps 15 33 48 63 69 85 89 94 99 116 117 130 131 133 152 174 175 182 188
189 196 199 203 209 214 219 238 242
1961 Post #177
Can anybody help?
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Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 20:31:59 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: dsh46@aol.com
Subject: eVIL BAY Best Offer
Well gang, after trying to to bid on about the last 20 VG-ish 1955 Sandy
Koufax rookies to complete my Dodgers team set, I took a chance on a PSA 3 one
in an eBay store with a "Buy It Now" but also a "Best Offer" attached. I
submitted an offer at 75% of the BIN price and it was accepted. I am real happy
to get this card as I have been searching for a long, long time for one that
matches the rest of my team set. The price I paid was right about the
average of all the auctions I lost but without all the hassle and disappointment of
being underbidder all the time. I lost about a dozen in a row where I was
sniped at the last minute; finished 2nd in all of them.
I've been popping cards out of PSA and SGC cases of late since I started
going heavy on pre-war cards. Very satisfying to liberate them!
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To:
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 18:06:23 -0800
From: "Grant"
Subject: New Kid- Joel Gyselink....
Kids, my =93mentee=94 is now aboard=85..another British Columbia guy joins the
fold, we just doubled our numbers. Joel lives right in the heart of the
best rainbow trout fishing in the world, Lac La Hache, B.C.
Joel=92s wantlist is now in the Directory=85.and it isn=92t hard to hit at
all=85.. feel free to have at him gang=85.no scruples when it comes to
cardboard=85=85..I=92m telling ya, his wantlist is a smorgasbord=85..I might
even start him on an OPC set without his permission=85=85(Canadian content
is required, but I haven=92t told him that yet.)
Welcome to the Wacky World of OBC Joel !!!
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Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 02:58:11 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "T.J. Valacak"
Subject: 78 OPC
I picked up a few 78 OPC at a show this weekend. I am offering them up
to the group. I will try and spread them around.
I also have a 1971 Topps # 670. It has some tape still on the card and
is pretty roughed up. Regardless, Claim away!
1978 OPC - 9 20 26 63 115 145 192 203
=================
To:
Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2007 22:47:58 -0800
From: "Tammy Gyselinck"
Subject: Just thought I'd introduce myself!!!! Joel Not Tammy
Hi Guys
Thanks everyone for the opportunity to join the group. I am looking forwardto
meeting and exchanging cards with as many of you as I can and maybe meet
up with anyone who might be travelling in the Pacific Northwest.
Take care, Joel Not Tammy
Tammy Gyselinck
=================
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 17:01:03 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Massimo"
Subject: Baseball Fantasy Leagues
I have been away the last two weeks and think I may have missed posts
about Fantasy Baseball. Anyway, I am looking to join a league that
competes for prizes with some sort of entry fee and is a 4X4, 5X5, etc,
not a head to head league. If anyone's knows of an open spot anywhere,
please let me know. Thanks,
Tom Massimo
=================
Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 18:43:31 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda"
Subject: Welcome Joel!
I would like to welcome you-Joel- into the group.I am a fellow lifelong
Yankee fan too and when i lived in New York my father took me to Yankee
Stadium when i was 5 years old to Yankee Stadium to see the games
greatest player, Mickey Mantle.I saw him hit a home run way up in the
upper deck in right field.I just stood up with my mouth open in
disbelief that anyone could hit a baseball that far!And my father
pointed out that the ball was still rising.It wasn't going down, it was
still going up when it hit an empty seat far up in the upper deck just
below the roof on top of the stadium!
I just had to share that Mantle story with a fellow believer.
This is a great group Joel but i have to warn you that there are
actually some members here who think guys like Cal Ripkin and Tony
Gwynn belong in the Hall Of Fame more than real Yankee greats of the
game like Roger Maris, Bobby Richardson,Tony Kubek,and Clete Boyer.
I mentioned those 4 because they are not in the Hall Of Fame and
certainly belong there as i am sure you agree.
There are even some Red Sox and Dodger fans in the group.But i guess we
have to bury the hatchet because i trade cards with them now.When i was
a kid in elementary school in Queens if a kid said he was a Red Sox fan
it would have sent me running for the nearest rock to throw.And i am
sure that several of the boys who could run faster than me would have
beaten me to it.
If you think this is sort of a "ramble", Joel, then that is why this is
called OBC Ramblings- Welcome fellow Yankee fan.-Linda
=================
Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 02:37:22 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "mikesportsfan"
Subject: Chicago Card Show March 16-18
I believe there is a big card show in Chicago March 16-18. Can anyone
confirm? If so, is anyone planning on attending? I think I may be
able to get away, if not for the whole weekend, then at least for
Saturday & Sunday. Anyone able to put me up for Saturday nite and/or
want to split a hotel room? Looking for name of the show, location,
hours, admission price, autograph guests, etc. Website probably most
helpful to answer these questions.
Mike Rich
cell: (248) 709-2235
=================
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2007 22:10:37 EST
To: Mikesportsfan@aol.com
From: smartalecx@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Chicago Card Show March 16-18
In a message dated 3/6/2007 8:39:55 PM Central Standard Time,
mikesportsfan@aol.com writes:
I believe there is a big card show in Chicago March 16-18. Can anyone
confirm? If so, is anyone planning on attending? I think I may be
able to get away, if not for the whole weekend, then at least for
Saturday & Sunday. Anyone able to put me up for Saturday nite and/or
want to split a hotel room? Looking for name of the show, location,
hours, admission price, autograph guests, etc. Website probably most
helpful to answer these questions.
Mike Rich
cell: (248) 709-2235
mike, big show at rosemont. i am out of town until late saturday nite. i
may try to get there
sunday, but my hope is that penn will be playing in the 2nd round of the
ncaa here
in chicago, and i will be at the game (dream on).
should be a good show.
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Date: Wed, 07 Mar 2007 03:21:35 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "uthminsta1"
Subject: counting down the days...
Some of you may already know this, but I wanted to announce it officially:
I'm the youth minister in a church, and I'M STARTING A KIDS' CARD
COLLECTING GROUP at the church! Our first meeting will be March 31st,
set right before Opening Day to get them ready for the season with a
new (or renewed) hobby. I've invited anyone who already collects cards
(or anything else) to bring something for a little "show and tell"
time, and anyone who does NOT already collect, but might be interested
in cards, can come too.
Anyone who comes gets free cards. I've started talking with them,
getting them excited about the idea, and have come up with several
ideas of ways for them to "earn" free stuff:
- Everyone who comes to the first meeting will get a free box until I
run out, and at least 100 cards to put in it.
- They can have as many cards as they can count in a minute. They
count from a random stack, then they can dig into the boxes and find
whichever ones they want.
- I've sent out a sheet asking them to guess when some of the Braves
will reach certain statistical milestones this season (like Chipper's
400th career double, Andruw's 1000th RBI, etc) and whoever guesses the
closest to each one gets free stuff.
- Anyone who shows me an official wantlist that they have been working
on, can have free cards for that list, if I have them available.
- Anyone who brings someone new into the group, or donates any
supplies or cards, gets free stuff.
Then there will be some church-related incentives:
- Anyone who has come to Sunday School every week since the last
- Anyone who invites a new friend to any church-related function...
- Those who have ALREADY been coming the most...
- Anyone who learns the books of the New Testament or Old Testament...
- I'm sure I will come up with plenty more...
Well, I'm obviously excited to get some of these young guys (and maybe
gals) started on a fun hobby. And I wanted to share that story with
you. But you all know what's coming next. BEGGING. So anyway, if you
have any stuff you wouldn't mind donating to this, I'd love to have
whatever you can send.
I have plenty of my own stuff, mostly UV, and the local card shop has
agreed to give me a bunch of UV stuff, too. I talked with him today
about selling me some boxes of 1992 Upper Deck for cheap. I will
probably start adding in some of the late 70's stuff...
Regardless of what years, how few or how many, I'd very much
appreciate whatever you could send down to middle Georgia!
Doing my best to spread this hobby!
=================
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 13:51:47 EST
To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: News from Everett
Hi gang,
I've been relatively quiet the last few days, baasically because there
hasn't been a lot to type about. The mail flow has been just a trickle, with
nothing on Monday (first time I ever remembering that happening on a non-holiday
since I joined the group anyway) and just a single envelope yesterday. There
were three OBC originating letters today though and they'll be acknowledged on
the apropriate server. The real reason I'm typing is to annonunce that the
cards from my (somewhat) recent availables list went out this morning. Everyone
who put in a claim got something headed their way from their requests. Sorry it
took so long to get around to that. I apologize if a package reaches you with
cards that are no longer needed.
I'm also taking this chance to update those that are interested with the
strike situation. Another union meeting has been set up for this Sunday at 1
PM. The company has been going over the union's 'final offer' and will return to
the bargaining table on Thursday (tomorrow)... I'm not sure if that's to iron
out any details, to simply accept or reject the union offer or to submit a
'final offer' of their own. The meeting on Sunday will be for the local 1445
members to accept or reject whatever contract we're presented. So far, even after
three months of negotiating, things aren't looking too good and a work
stoppage is a very real possibility. Hopefully it won't come to that, but if we do
end up on the picket line, I'll get to miss inventory on Monday ...which
they'll probably just postpone until we come back to work anyway, just so I have to
deal with that extra headache. Only good news is that at least it won't be ten
degrees outside like it is today. We'll see what happens. TAYL,
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To: , "Linda"
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 20:26:25 -0500
From: "Bill Malson"
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome Joel!
Hey, as long as Linda wants to send out "Fitak Packs," she can also nominate
Joe Pepitone, and Phil Linz, and Tom Tresh, and Hector Lopez, and Johnny Blanchard,
and Ralph Terry, and......... :)
----- Original Message -----
From: wguthrie@axint.net
To: Linda
Cc: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 7:44 PM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Welcome Joel!
Sheesh, the next thing you know, we're going to be reading how Murcer, Mattingly,
Munson and Righetti also belong, and we might just as well sent Jeter,
Rodriguez and Rivera now, just to get it over with and avoid the possibility
of any late career steroid discoveries. In fact, if we really thinkabout
it, I'm pretty sure there isn't a single current or former Yankee out
there who isn't truly a "great," so why not just send them all? Rename the
entire league to Yankee Baseball and Associates, move the whole Hall of Fame
from Cooperstown to the Bronx, ... ... ...
... ... ... then watch 'em cry when the rest of us "wont come out and play
with 'em!"
I would like to welcome you-Joel- into the group.I am a fellow lifelong
Yankee fan too and when i lived in New York my father took me to Yankee
Stadium when i was 5 years old to Yankee Stadium to see the games
greatest player, Mickey Mantle.I saw him hit a home run way up in the
upper deck in right field.I just stood up with my mouth open in
disbelief that anyone could hit a baseball that far!And my father
pointed out that the ball was still rising.It wasn't going down, it was
still going up when it hit an empty seat far up in the upper deck just
below the roof on top of the stadium!
I just had to share that Mantle story with a fellow believer.
This is a great group Joel but i have to warn you that there are
actually some members here who think guys like Cal Ripkin and Tony
Gwynn belong in the Hall Of Fame more than real Yankee greats of the
game like Roger Maris, Bobby Richardson,Tony Kubek,and Clete Boyer.
I mentioned those 4 because they are not in the Hall Of Fame and
certainly belong there as i am sure you agree.
There are even some Red Sox and Dodger fans in the group.But i guess we
have to bury the hatchet because i trade cards with them now.When i was
a kid in elementary school in Queens if a kid said he was a Red Sox fan
it would have sent me running for the nearest rock to throw.And i am
sure that several of the boys who could run faster than me would have
beaten me to it.
If you think this is sort of a "ramble", Joel, then that is why this is
called OBC Ramblings- Welcome fellow Yankee fan.-Linda
=================
Date: Thu, 08 Mar 2007 03:53:30 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda"
Subject: Great suggestion and may i add...
-< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Malson"
Hey, as long as Linda wants to send out "Fitak Packs," she can also
nominate Joe Pepitone, and Phil Linz, and Tom Tresh, and Hector
Lopez, and Johnny Blanchard, and Ralph Terry, and......... :)
You have a great suggestion there as i would definitely nominate all
of the above because they are great Yankees of the 1960's plus may i
add Mel Stottlemyre?I remember my father having a sports page of a
newspaper framed in his room and the headline read "Yankee rookie
beats Cards" referring to Mel Stottleymre.Was that the 1964 World
And Phil Linz certainly deserves it because the Hall of Fame needs a
special room just for Yankee harmonica players.
Just imagine guys what the Hall of Fame would be like if i was the
director there.
For starters i would be sitting at a table when you come in the door
with a petition for visitors to sign-Petition for making Roger Maris
a member of the Hall of Fame-All visitors must sign this petition to
gain entrance.-Linda
=================
Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 23:28:42 EST
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Another request
Hello everyone...stopped by the local shop today and ran into a dealer
friend of mine. He is looking for any and all Clarence Marshall cards...now
Clarence has a card in the 1952 Topps set but he will take any card...a UV reprint,
team card, etc. So, if anyone has any sitting around...I will reciprocate.
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Date: Fri, 09 Mar 2007 17:35:58 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda"
Subject: Childhood heroes eligibility for the Hall
-< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Bill Malson"
Hey, as long as Linda wants to send out "Fitak Packs," she can also
nominate Joe Pepitone, and Phil Linz, and Tom Tresh, and Hector
Lopez, and Johnny Blanchard, and Ralph Terry, and......... :)>
Ok, i admit it is a joke to say Kubek, Richardson, and Clete Boyer
belong in the Hall more than Ripkin and Gwynn.
I just sent a Gwynn card to a member and i noticed the card mentioned
he had gotten 3,000 hits!
I just wonder if the combined hit totals of Kubek, Richardson and
Boyer even add up to 2,000?
But these Yankees of my childhood are my heroes and even if they
can't match the achievements of a Ripkin or a Gwynn their cards still
have more meaning to me than a Ripkin or Gwynn card.
I am only going to admit this once guys but i have to grit my teeth
and say Ripkin and Gwynn belong in the Hall before Roger Maris.
Sorry, Roger, where ever you are, please forgive me.Roger, it just is
that your total career stats don't come close to matching those guys.
But i agree with Tim and really think that if J.R. Richard hadn't had
that heart attack that cut his career short and if he would have
remained healthy and continued to pitch as he did he might have had a
shot at the Hall- Linda
=================
To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 09:53:27 -0500
From: "Bob Reed"
Subject: NCAA contest - update (still need 4 more people)
It looks like I won't have enough for 2 contests as I still need 4 more
people to reach 16.
So far I have:
Bob R
Kit O
Terry D
Mark T
TJ V
Ray L
Earl K
Larry G
Brian B
Peter M
Mac W
Mark Z
So once the next 4 people join I'll freeze it at 16 participants and will
draw the teams tonight.
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To: "obc rambling" ,
Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 11:43:29 -0500
From: "ant"
Subject: Auto found
Hello All,
I found in my fathers papers 2 autos of some NBA stars:
Jim Barnett whom played for alot of teams and is an announcer
John Gianelli for the knicks in early 70's to mid 70's
I have an extra duo signed paper if interested
Anthony Arbeeny
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To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com,
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 09:14:08 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: Need Player card want lists
Hello All,
I am in need of some information assistance. I would like to find a web site that lists player want lists. Specifically I want a list of YAZ cards that are out there. Other lists I want are Fred Talbot, Bob Talbot and Jean-Guy Talbot. If anyone knows where I can find this info (electronically) it would be great if you could share that with me. I can use my Beckett alpha listing but I was hoping to be able to cut and paste it if possible. Please help if you can - BE WELL!!!!
REGARDS ------------------- MARK
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Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 15:23:23 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Tom Massimo"
Subject: 1968, 1969, 1971 Baseball Topps card help.
As I am making the final push to complete the 1968 to 1972 Baseball
Topps run, I figured a good place to start would be to knock off some
commons and semi-stars that should be easy to get, but some reason or
another have eluded me. Any help on the following cards in any
condition (except for writing on the front) would be greatly
1968 #'s 120 (Mel Stottlemyre), 465 (Tommie Agee), 478 (Dave McNally),
487 (Lee May)
1969 #'s 43 (Joe Niekro), 197 (Dick Selma), 267 (Vincente Romo), 273
(Ron Willis), 290 (Jim Kaat), 292 (Al Downing), 298 (Dave Nicholson),
299 (Mark Belanger), 426 (Curt Flood AS).
1971 # 524 (Mickey Stanley)
Tom Massimo
=================
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 14:53:52 EDT
To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: cardclctor@aol.com
Subject: Three more years
Good news gang,
At the union meeting today, we accepted a contract and avoided any more
strike talks for another three years. The contract calls for nominal wage
increases and a very small weekly payment for health benefits for just the second
and third years. Thanks to everyone who expressed words of support over the last
few weeks. Unfortunately, I have to cut this note short - gotta work tonight.
Tomorrow is inventory, so I'll probably have to go in early. TAYL,
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To: ,
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 11:54:59 -0800
From: "Dave Fallen"
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need Player card want lists
Mark: Here is a list of Talbot and Yaz baseball cards in MS Excel. Let meknow
if you need a different format. The vintage cards should be listed accurately,
I'm not certain all the UV cards since 2002 have been captured -there
are so darn many of them!
There are 3 other players with a last name of Talbott, but I assumed you didn't
want these. There are also two players with a first name of Talbot that
I have left off the list.
Sorry I don't have hockey lists (for Jean-Guy) or Golf lists (for Daniel Talbot).
-Dave Fallen
----- Original Message -----
From: talbot1@comcast.net
To: OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2007 1:14 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Need Player card want lists
Hello All,
I am in need of some information assistance. I would like to find aweb
site that lists player want lists. Specifically I want a list of YAZ cards
that are out there. Other lists I want are Fred Talbot, Bob Talbot and
Jean-Guy Talbot. If anyone knows where I can find this info (electronically)
it would be great if you could share that with me. I can use my Beckett
alpha listing but I was hoping to be able to cut and paste it if possible.
Please help if you can - BE WELL!!!!
REGARDS ------------------- MARK
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To: "'Dave Fallen'" ,
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 17:04:12 -0400
From: "Bob Donaldson"
Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need Player card want lists
Thanks Dave! I've always wanted a list of cards of my fav player - Yaz.
Interesting that he had 267 cards during his career and 813 since he
Thanks again
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To: "Bob Donaldson" , "'Dave Fallen'" , , vct-vintagecardtraders.com@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OBC-Wantlist@yahoogroups.com
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 22:58:41 +0000
From: talbot1@comcast.net
Subject: RE: [OBC-Wantlist] Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Need Player card want lists
Hello All,
I wanted to thank the following traders who all had great ideas on how to get these player lists I was interested in. The Beckett.com site was particularly helpful!!! Thanks to Dave, Brad and Steve who sent spreadsheet; Gary, Geordie, and Erik who sent pasted lists - all very helpful!!! I can't believe I've been in these groups mow for 7+ years and have never needed this kind of info before, your help saved me plenty of time typing out the Alpha list from the book. So thanks to:
Dave Fallen
Steve Rittenberg
Aaron Shirley
Geordie Calvert
John Dahms
Mike Mackie
Brad Nelson
Carlos Alcazar
Gary Beard
Mark Z
Mark Gilmore
Guy Mitchell
Erik Greenwood
What a great help you all have been - BIG KUDOS!!!!!!!!!
BE WELL!!!!
REGARDS ------------- MARK
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To: "vct" ,
Date: Sun, 11 Mar 2007 21:39:23 -0400
From: "ant"
Subject: 76 talls boy hoops
Hello All,
I started a any condition set and have 2 dupes #100 (jabbar)& 80(pistol pete)
in vg with others :
1976-77 topps #5(unseld),12,15,18,27,33,34,35,46,25, 94(issel),62,92,104,117,120(hayes),128,129,132(barry),139,142
for hits to my second quest.
Let me know
http://www.beckett.com/userpages/afa.html
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To:
Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 18:44:22 -0600
From: "Marshall West"
Subject: 7-11 DISCS
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To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:47:46 +0000
From: hoot-owl@comcast.net
Subject: The Dormand quest is complete
I am not quite certain--but I think I am the only member in OBC who has the 1953-55 Dormand postcard set listed on my wantlist. These are beautiful postcards--mostly of the mid-1950 Yankees, but there are also a handful of Dodgers (Campy, PeeWee, Hodges, Furillo and Eskine), Bobby Shantz of the Philadelphia As and a couple of White Sox. It appears that all of the photos were taken at Yankee Stadium (Louis Dormand was based on Long Island).
I picked up a Tipton Bill Skowren from Chandy off of eBay for $9.00 last night. This was the last postcard I needed (minus a couple of variations)--I seldom ever see Skowren for sale and they normally run over $100 (I know Verkman has had a Skowren listed for $150 for over a year). So I am delighted to find a Tipton--and even happier to finally finish a set that was started in the mid-1960s, when my HOMer Jim Konstanty gave me a autographed version of his postcard.
Truthfully, I don't think I picked up another one of these until the late 1990s. I also don't think I ever recieved one from anyone in OBC--although I know a few of you have type cards that came out of my dup box. But I will thank OBC for reinvigorating my collecting habit six or seven years ago. This was a fun chase--name a Yankee from the mid-1950s and their is a postcard in this set with a number of Hall of Famers--two Mantles, Stengal, Ford, Berra, Mize, Martin, Bauer, Slaughter, Rizzuto and Ellie Howard. About the only Yankee that seems to be missing from the set is Vic Raschi.
So thanks OBC for letting me ramble--
Peter Mead
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To:
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:47:03 -0700
From: "Grant"
Subject: Geno......
Is now officially in mourning=85=85from the Associated Press:
URBANA, Ill. (AP) -- The University of Illinois swept aside the last
vestiges of Chief Illiniwek on Tuesday, voting to retire the mascot's
name, regalia and image.
The school will continue to call its sports teams the Fighting Illini
under the resolution. Chancellor Richard Herman is to decide how and
when Chief Illiniwek's name and image will stop being used and licensed
to apparel makers and others.
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To: ,
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:54:54 -0500
From: "Tim Newcomb"
Subject: my 2cents
As a faculty Illini, I have to say it was high time to part ways-- the Chief
was causing a lot more controversy and embarrassment than any mascot is worth.
People were defacing each other's cars over the issue, for Pete's sake.
(Pretty much the only excitement in this otherwise placid burg, but still,
not the kind of excitement you want.) Sorry Geno--
----- Original Message -----
From: Grant
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 13, 2007 6:47 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Geno......
Is now officially in mourning=85=85from the Associated Press:
URBANA, Ill. (AP) -- The University of Illinois swept aside the last vestiges
of Chief Illiniwek on Tuesday, voting to retire the mascot's name, regalia
and image.
The school will continue to call its sports teams the Fighting Illini under
the resolution. Chancellor Richard Herman is to decide how and when Chief
Illiniwek's name and image will stop being used and licensed to apparel makers
and others.
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Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 21:39:18 EDT
To: vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com,
From: biggies@aol.com
Subject: help on 1973 would be appreciated
Any help on this short list to finish this 1973 list would be greatly
appreciated and would be rewarded
appropriately and then some.
1973 Topps: 530, 547, 588, 601, 605, 606, 609, 611, 616, 646, 650 ex+
Thanks, Bob bannon
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 05:12:01 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "Linda"
Subject: Re: Geno......and my 2 1/2 cents worth
< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" wrote:
Is now officially in mourning=85=85from the Associated Press:
URBANA, Ill. (AP) -- The University of Illinois swept aside the last
vestiges of Chief Illiniwek on Tuesday, voting to retire the mascot's
name, regalia and image.
The school will continue to call its sports teams the Fighting Illini
under the resolution. Chancellor Richard Herman is to decide how and
when Chief Illiniwek's name and image will stop being used and
licensed to apparel makers and others.
I thought it might be wise to follow the 2 cents worth with my 2 1/2
cents worth ( and even if there are no 2 1/2 cent coins Mark Talbot
will verify that there were once 2 1/2 cent stamps so the
denomination is valid)
This reminds me a lot of the Stanford Indians who had to change their
name to the Stanford Cardinals.They were known as the Stanford
Indians for so many years and i was saddened when they had to change
their name because of darn "political correctness".
If i had been on one of the women sports teams at the school i would
have suggested fighting the university over the change of the name by
suggesting athletes continue to wear the Stanford Indians uniforms
even if it meant expulsion.I would have asked all students to
continue wearing Stanford Indians uniforms or sweatshirts and let's
see them expell the whole student body.
The only way to fight this "political correctness" is with mass
resistance.- Linda
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To:
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:02:59 -0700
From: "Tammy Gyselinck"
Subject: Fw: For those Born From 1930-1979]]
This seemed a bit appropriate....
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg & Tracey Brown
To: Val Severin ; Pat & Ken Wallace ; Betsy Buckland ; Tammy & Joel Gyselinck
; janet brown ; judy hackman ; rhonda brown
Sent: March 11, 2007 10:55 AM
Subject: Fw: For those Born From 1930-1979]]
----- Original Message -----
Those Born 1930-1979
READ TO THE BOTTOM FOR QUOTE OF THE MONTH BY JAY LENO. IF YOU
DON'T READ ANYTHING ELSE---VERY WELL STATED
TO ALL THE KIDS WHO SURVIVED the 1930's, 40's, 50's, 60's and70's!!
First, we survived being born to mothers who smoked and/or drank
while they were pregnant.
They took aspirin, ate blue cheese dressing, tuna from a can,and
didn't get tested for diabetes.
Then after that trauma, we were put to sleep on our tummies in
baby cribs covered with bright colored lead-based paints.
We had no childproof lids on medicine bottles, doors or cabinets
and when we rode our bikes, we had no helmets, not to mention, the risks
we took hitchhiking.
As infants & children, we would ride in cars with no car seats,
booster seats, seat belts or air bags.
Riding in the back of a pick up on a warm day was always a special
We drank water from the garden hose and NOT from a bottle.
We shared one soft drink with four friends, from one bottle and
no ONE actually died from this.
We ate cupcakes, white bread and real butter and drank Kool-aid
made with sugar, but we weren't overweight because,
WE WERE ALWAYS OUTSIDE PLAYING!
We would leave home in the morning and play all day, as long as
we were back when the streetlights came on.
No one was able to reach us all day. And we were O.K.
We would spend hours building our go-carts out of scraps and then
ride down the hill, only to find out we forgot the brakes. After running
into the bushes a few times, we learned to solve the problem.
We did not have Playstations, Nintendo's, X-boxes, no video games
at all, no 150 channels on cable, no video movies or DVD's, no surround-sound
or CD's, no cell phones, no personal computer! s, no Internet or chat
WE HAD FRIENDS and we went outside and found them!
We fell out of trees, got cut, broke bones and teeth and there
were no lawsuits from these accidents.
We ate worms and mud pies made from dirt, and the worms did not
live in us forever.
We were given BB guns for our 10th birthdays, made up games with
sticks and tennis balls and, although we were told it would happen, we did
not put out very many eyes.
We rode bikes or walked to a friend's house and knocked on the
door or rang the bell, or just walked in and talked to them!
Little League had tryouts and not everyone made the team. Those
who didn't had to learn to deal with disappointment. Imagine that!!
The idea of a parent bailing us out if we broke the law was unheard
of. They actually sided with the law!
These generations have produced some of the best risk-takers,problem
solvers and inventors ever!
The past 50 years have been an explosion of innovation and new
We had freedom, failure, success and responsibility, and we learned
HOW TO DEAL WITH IT ALL!
If YOU are one of them.CONGRATULATIONS!
You might want to share this with others who have had the luck
to grow up as kids, before the lawyers and the government regulated so much
of our lives for our own good.
While you are at it, forward it to your kids so they will know
how brave (and lucky) their parents were.
Kind of makes you want to run through the house with scissors,
doesn't it?!
The quote of the month is by Jay Leno:
"With hurricanes, tornados, fires out of control, mud slides,flooding,
severe thunderstorms tearing up the country from one end to another,
and with the threat of bird flu and terrorist attacks, are we sure this
is a good time to take God out of the Pledge of Allegiance?"
For those that prefer to think that God is not watching over us...go
ahead and delete this.
For the rest of us...pass this on.
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Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 12:15:29 EDT
To: tammysg@uniserve.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: Wite3@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: For those Born From 1930-1979]]
Hmm...I know many of us agree with the sentiments in this email and many of
us have probably already passed said email on but I think it has been our
policy not to send things like this over the servers. I really do not want OBC
to become a dumping ground for internet fliers, email spam, etc.
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To: ,
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 11:20:37 -0500
From: "Tim Newcomb"
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: For those Born From 1930-1979]]
I agree-- it's not really appropriate for the ramblings server.
----- Original Message -----
From: Wite3@aol.com
To: tammysg@uniserve.com ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Fw: For those Born From 1930-1979]]
Hmm...I know many of us agree with the sentiments in this email and many of
us have probably already passed said email on but I think it has been our
policy not to send things like this over the servers. I really do not want
OBC to become a dumping ground for internet fliers, email spam, etc.
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To:
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:54:02 -0700
From: "Tammy Gyselinck"
Subject: Apology
BlankMy apologies to those who were offended by what they saw as an inappropriate
use of the server with my forward... trade on!!!
Thanks, Joel Not Tammy
Tammy Gyselinck
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To: ,
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 21:05:37 -0500
From: "Mark Holland"
Subject: back in service
I have been having email trouble for about a month. Finally got it figuredout.
My wireless adapter was connected to a neighbors account instead of my
own router. That made it difficult for me to send email. It was transparent
other than that. I had done everything including reformatting the hard
drive and reloading windows. What a learning experience.
Anyway, if you sent cards and I have not sent you a thank you please let meknow.
I tried each time but the email sat in the outbox for hours before finally
disappearing. Expect more dialog from now on (I hope).
Have a good one.
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To: ,
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 00:42:34 -0400
From: "George"
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Geno......and my 2 1/2 cents worth
I have to agree 100% with Linda. Here in New York, we had the St. John's Redmen.
I still have shirts with that logo on them, and I still wear them. But
the feckless administration decided to pander to some outside pressuregroups,
so they are now officially known as the "Red Storm." What the heck
is a "Red Storm," anyway? How dopey.
The thing about this form of political correctness that I find hard to understand
is that the selection of an Indian name is not derogatory in any way.
In fact, it is quite the contrary.........it is an honor. The various Indian
nicknames were selected because Indians were thought to be the embodiment
of qualities that a good sports team should have........they want to be
aggressive, resolute, never give up, etc. How is that derogatory? I have
never heard of a team named "The Fighting Administrators."
Go get 'em, Linda.
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 1:12 AM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Geno......and my 2 1/2 cents worth
< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Grant" wrote:
Is now officially in mourning..from the Associated Press:
URBANA, Ill. (AP) -- The University of Illinois swept aside the last
vestiges of Chief Illiniwek on Tuesday, voting to retire the mascot's
name, regalia and image.
The school will continue to call its sports teams the Fighting Illini
under the resolution. Chancellor Richard Herman is to decide how and
when Chief Illiniwek's name and image will stop being used and
licensed to apparel makers and others.
I thought it might be wise to follow the 2 cents worth with my 2 1/2
cents worth ( and even if there are no 2 1/2 cent coins Mark Talbot
will verify that there were once 2 1/2 cent stamps so the
denomination is valid)
This reminds me a lot of the Stanford Indians who had to change their
name to the Stanford Cardinals.They were known as the Stanford
Indians for so many years and i was saddened when they had to change
their name because of darn "political correctness".
If i had been on one of the women sports teams at the school i would
have suggested fighting the university over the change of the name by
suggesting athletes continue to wear the Stanford Indians uniforms
even if it meant expulsion.I would have asked all students to
continue wearing Stanford Indians uniforms or sweatshirts and let's
see them expell the whole student body.
The only way to fight this "political correctness" is with mass
resistance.- Linda
=================
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:01:52 -0000
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
From: "jmoleta30341"
Subject: Larry Moe
Has anyone traded with this gentleman? I don't know that he belongs to
any of the online groups we run into, so if you've had any experience
in dealing with him please email and let me know.
=================
To: ,
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:35:21 -0500
From: "Tim Newcomb"
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Larry Moe
I don't know anything about him, but if Curly or Shemp vouches for him, I'dbe
a little suspicious--
----- Original Message -----
From: jmoleta30341
To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:01 PM
Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Larry Moe
Has anyone traded with this gentleman? I don't know that he belongs to
any of the online groups we run into, so if you've had any experience
in dealing with him please email and let me know.
=================
Date: Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:34:55 EDT
To: apspr@msn.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, james_moleta@hotmail.com
From: mma3026559@aol.com
Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Larry Moe
Washington State Sports Collectors Association in 1973, so he has a few years
of collecting experience under his belt...
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