================= Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 21:53:23 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "srittenberg" Subject: Who is this man? Who is Hal Roach and why does his 1961 Post card cost $20 at Sims? 1961 Post #163 Dodgers MEL ROACH Price: US $20.00 In stock: 1 Condition: VG http://68.178.160.179/index.php? ================= Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 15:46:48 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Availables I got in a '47-66 Exhibit of Sandy Koufax today. 107 more to go to finish the set! The package also included a 47-66 Drysdale, which is a dupe for me, and therefore available to a good home. Also available is a 1967 Topps insert poster (#16) of Drysdale. Anybody? ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:41:27 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: 1955 bowman # 132 error kuenn question about this card. is it only the back that had the misspelling of his last name, or does the error version have a misspelling on the front as the card i have is correct in front, error in back. i assume it is the error version. am i right? ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 14:09:38 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who is this man? In a message dated Thu Feb 1, 2007 1:55 pm ((PST)), srittenberg@gmail.com > Who is Hal Roach and why does his 1961 Post card cost $20 at Sims? According to card #163, Mel Roach was an infielder for the Braves, who spent much of his time on the disabled list with a bad knee. His card was printed only in box form in 1961... apparently on a very unpopular brand of cereal. I do think the $20 price tag is about double what Sims should have it listed for though, especially considering I snapped up the Stobbs in similar condition from them for only $40. Buckett only lists the card at $35 in NM (whatever that means). Hope this helps, Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 11:22:35 -0800 (PST) To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Chris Stufflestreet Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Who is this man? --- cardclctor@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated Thu Feb 1, 2007 1:55 pm ((PST)), > srittenberg@gmail.com > writes: > > > > Who is Hal Roach and why does his 1961 Post card > cost $20 at Sims? Steve...Hal Roach was a movie producer, possibly best known to us for his "Our Gang" shorts. (That's the Little Rascals). He lived to see his 100th birthday. As far as I know...he didn't have a card in the '61 Post set. (Guessing you already knew all of this...and having a little fun at the same time...) Take care, I am an avid collector of vintage baseball cards. To view my online wantlist, visit: http://www.geocities.com/chrisstufflestreet/wantlist.html We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to love (and love to hate): Yahoo! TV's Guilty Pleasures list. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/265 ================= Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 20:28:25 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Superbowl Pool '07 Sorry I didn't get this done last night, but I have been under the weather :( So, if you email me in the next couple minutes I can still get you in! Stay tuned for the official announcement of the squares! ================= Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 21:20:37 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Pool Positions The squares are all set. Check them out at http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htm Everyone got 3, and then I drew names for the extra 16 squares, so a little more than half of us got a 4th but not me:( I don't suppose there is much sympathy for a 2-time winner though! I'll have the numbers in a few more minutes. ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Fri, 2 Feb 2007 20:04:59 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: vintage football gallery Last night I stumbled across a box of cards I'd apparently neglected to file after the National. In the box were a trio of '52 Bowman Small Rams thatto my horror were already in my binder. In checking my list, I found another card in my binder that still showed that I needed. @$%# So now I'm wondering whether my list is even correct. I googled 1952 Bowman Rams and came up with this site: http://www.footballcardgallery.com/ Not nearly as cool as Dan's Virtual Card Collection, but if you're into football cards, it's pretty neat. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com (obc ramblings) Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 03:35:47 +0000 From: obcbobd@comcast.net Subject: Baltimore Travel Tips I'm planning on attending a Red Sox / Orioles game in Baltimore this Summer and would appreciate any travel tips on Baltimore. Especially a hotel in close proximity to Camden yards. ================= Date: Fri, 02 Feb 2007 23:37:25 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Pool is all set... check out the numbers Let me know if you have any questions, and get your wantlists updated, particulalry Ray,Peter,Marshall, and Chuck! :) Oh, and Kevin,steve,Gene-o and TJ as well. Good luck to the rest of us! http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htm ================= To: , Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 04:09:34 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 bowman # 132 error kuenn I'm not sure.... anybody out there know? ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 02, 2007 11:41 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] 1955 bowman # 132 error kuenn question about this card. is it only the back that had the misspelling of his last name, or does the error version have a misspelling on the front as the card i have is correct in front, error in back. i assume it is the error version. am i right? ================= Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 03:34:53 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: OBC 1952-1963 lot on eBay Many cards in this one with a couple earlier than 1952. Looks like a few hundred cards in total. http://cgi.ebay.com/34-Goudey-41-Playball-1952-1963-Topps-Baseball-Card-Lot_W0QQitemZ190079139919QQihZ009QQcategoryZ636QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Don't pick lemons. See all the new 2007 cars at Yahoo! Autos. http://autos.yahoo.com/new_cars.html ================= To: "OBC" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 12:38:05 -0500 From: "Larry Tipton" Subject: re: 55 Bowman error #132 Mine has: Kuenn on front Kueen on back ================= Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 18:09:38 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Rick Johnson" Subject: 1967 high #'s, and 1963 Rose rookie Hey guys if you want to take a chance on some pretty reasonably priced cards that don't have pics check out these sights. For a number of "good" 1967 high number Topps baseball go to http://www.deanscards.com/baseball-cards-1967-topps_c1_56.html? The other site has a "fair" condition Rose rookie for $75. I don't know what fair condition means , but the price is right. http://www.csauctions.com/online_store/pages/BaseballCards1963Topps1.htm Let me know if anyone picks up these cards and I will continue to try to post bargains that I run across. If no one uses them then I won't clutter up your mailbox. Rick Johnson ================= Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 21:55:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "larrygersh" Subject: 1979 Topps variation? Just rec'd an upgrade 79T-Dodgers team card from Aaron Shirley. When I place it in the binder I noticed that the card I was replacing was printed on white stock as opposed to the gray stock every other 79T card is printed on. Could this be a cut out panel from the Team uncut sheets that Topps put out that year via mail order? ================= To: "obc" Date: Sat, 3 Feb 2007 16:43:22 -0600 From: "ken goetsch" Subject: Fw: [OBC-Thanks] Winter has finally arrived 20 degrees.................. here in Wisconsin........low tonight -15 to -20. and a high all week at maybe 2 or 3 degrees.......... Time to bundle up....... I am writing this listening to Talkin baseball......local show here in Wisconsin....... They are talking to Brewers GM......Doug Melvin......and the subject is Geoff Jenkins[9 mil. a year]......he is talking up the positives on Jenkins....and I quote" Don't forget- Geoff's on base % is above Carols Beltran....so that puts him in good company.............UNREALLLLLL....talk about a gm talking up his dead weight...... I almost threw the radio out the window......but that would let in the cold....... Ken Goetsch ----- Original Message ----- From: hoot-owl@comcast.net To: OBC-Thanks@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:47 AM Subject: [OBC-Thanks] Winter has finally arrived I don't think it is supposed to get above 20 degrees over the next four or five days--so I guess winter has finally arrived. Think I will go to Phoenix this week...... A few thanks to dish out this morning.... John Leroux has been sharing his "trimmed" 1952s with OBC. And I need to express my gratitude for a ten-cornered John Antonelli. One can only imagine what was going on in the mind of the ten-year old that cut these cards down in size. Thanks John. Brian Betza delivers a 48 Bowman of Sid Gordan. Neat card--and a little paper loss goes a long way. Thanks Brian. Rick Johnson had to pony up a little more postage for some super cards--1971 supers. I never had any of these as a kid--and thanks to OBC both the 1970 and 71 set are within sight. Many thanks Rick--for Gibson, Howard, Perez, McNally, Freehan, Stottlymyre among others. Have a great weekend OBC-- Peter Mead ================= Date: Sat, 03 Feb 2007 17:52:21 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Eighty Pages of Topps 1976 from Friar! Bob Corvello, over the past week, has sent me scanned images of his 1976 Topps set for my personal collection of Baseball Card Images. This was no small task, as it involved Friar sending me about 80 files in separate e-mails, totalling about 70MB of image files - that's a lotta work. I am somewhat worried about the hours this guy is putting in, as many of the e-mails to my account were timestamped at ungodly early hours of the morning. This plugged a huge hole in my images collection, since I sent my own 1976 Topps set down to "Uncle Mick" (Kelly's brother) in Virginia for his birth-year set. It was the only vintage set I was unable to collect images off eBay lots or any of the graded card websites, as Topps 1976 commons aren't exactly the kind of cards which demand pictures of the strong resolution that Friar was able to send to me. In retaliation, I'll send some actual authentic cardboard, sort of the "analog" equivalent of the digital card images in my collection, off of Friar's want list. Huge thanks! ================= Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 09:15:32 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" Yesterday was Saturday and that means card shop bid board day.Only this week there wasn't much vintage on the bid board to bid on so it was kind of disappointing and boring.Highlights were a couple of lower grade 53 Bowman Brooklyn Dodgers i won for $1.75 each, Billy Loes and Gil Hodges-but heck i won another 53 Bowman Hodges a few weeks ago on the same board so it gets kind of boring seeing the same cards show up again so soon.You've seen one 53 Bowman Hodges, you have seen them all- and i had to pay $21 for the one a couple of weeks ago so no one was in the mood to bid on another one so i got the one really cheap yesterday. No bid board action to speak of so the local collectors like me usually hit the yard sales.And i am lucky i did. I went to one yard sale when i saw box of cards on the front lawn with other items the owner of the house was selling.I was initially disappointed when i looked in the box of cards the seller had marked 5 cents each and saw only worthless 80's and 90's common player cards. I then asked the seller if he had any older cards.He said "yes, but i didn't put them out because kids only buy the newer cards." He went in the house and came out with a binder and handed it to me and said "those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each." I opened the binder and it was filled with 69 topps cards most of which looked to be in excellent condition.I didn't see any stars except for a Ron Santo all star but the binder had hundreds of 69 topps.I counted over 400 cards and they seemed to be in numerical order up into the 600 numbers and no dupes. The seller said the binder with the cards would be $4.I gave him a five and said keep the change and left happy. Now since i don't collect the 69 topps set i am going to have fun checking members want lists for 69 topps.There were no stars but i am sure i can find members want lists that need a lot of commons. I seem to remember Aaron Shirley has a long list of 69 topps needs so i think i will start checking his list first. It was nice to be able to buy 100's of 69 topps for 1 cent each!-Linda ================= To: , Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 12:41:05 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" Hey Linda: Start collecting the 69s !!!!!! I'll send you some. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:15 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" Yesterday was Saturday and that means card shop bid board day.Only this week there wasn't much vintage on the bid board to bid on so it was kind of disappointing and boring.Highlights were a couple of lower grade 53 Bowman Brooklyn Dodgers i won for $1.75 each, Billy Loes and Gil Hodges-but heck i won another 53 Bowman Hodges a few weeks ago on the same board so it gets kind of boring seeing the same cards show up again so soon.You've seen one 53 Bowman Hodges, you have seen them all- and i had to pay $21 for the one a couple of weeks ago so no one was in the mood to bid on another one so i got the one really cheap yesterday. No bid board action to speak of so the local collectors like me usually hit the yard sales.And i am lucky i did. I went to one yard sale when i saw box of cards on the front lawn with other items the owner of the house was selling.I was initially disappointed when i looked in the box of cards the seller had marked 5 cents each and saw only worthless 80's and 90's common player cards. I then asked the seller if he had any older cards.He said "yes, but i didn't put them out because kids only buy the newer cards." He went in the house and came out with a binder and handed it to me and said "those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each." I opened the binder and it was filled with 69 topps cards most of which looked to be in excellent condition.I didn't see any stars except for a Ron Santo all star but the binder had hundreds of 69 topps.I counted over 400 cards and they seemed to be in numerical order up into the 600 numbers and no dupes. The seller said the binder with the cards would be $4.I gave him a five and said keep the change and left happy. Now since i don't collect the 69 topps set i am going to have fun checking members want lists for 69 topps.There were no stars but i am sure i can find members want lists that need a lot of commons. I seem to remember Aaron Shirley has a long list of 69 topps needs so i think i will start checking his list first. It was nice to be able to buy 100's of 69 topps for 1 cent each!-Linda ================= Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 14:02:22 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: rdn56@nc.rr.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" That's a great find! Be sure to look for those ever elusive White Letter variations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Paris Date: Sunday, February 4, 2007 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Linda > Hey Linda: Start collecting the 69s !!!!!! I'll send you some. > Chuck ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:15 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 > cent each" > Yesterday was Saturday and that means card shop bid board > day.Only > this week there wasn't much vintage on the bid board to bid on so > it > was kind of disappointing and boring.Highlights were a couple of > lower grade 53 Bowman Brooklyn Dodgers i won for $1.75 each, > Billy > Loes and Gil Hodges-but heck i won another 53 Bowman Hodges a few > weeks ago on the same board so it gets kind of boring seeing the > same > cards show up again so soon.You've seen one 53 Bowman Hodges, you > have seen them all- and i had to pay $21 for the one a couple of > weeks ago so no one was in the mood to bid on another one so i > got > the one really cheap yesterday. > No bid board action to speak of so the local collectors like me > usually hit the yard sales.And i am lucky i did. > I went to one yard sale when i saw box of cards on the front lawn > with other items the owner of the house was selling.I was > initially > disappointed when i looked in the box of cards the seller had > marked > 5 cents each and saw only worthless 80's and 90's common player > cards. I then asked the seller if he had any older cards.He said > "yes, but i > didn't put them out because kids only buy the newer cards." > He went in the house and came out with a binder and handed it to > me > and said "those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each." > I opened the binder and it was filled with 69 topps cards most of > which looked to be in excellent condition.I didn't see any stars > except for a Ron Santo all star but the binder had hundreds of 69 > topps.I counted over 400 cards and they seemed to be in numerical > order up into the 600 numbers and no dupes. > The seller said the binder with the cards would be $4.I gave him > a > five and said keep the change and left happy. > Now since i don't collect the 69 topps set i am going to have fun > checking members want lists for 69 topps.There were no stars but > i am > sure i can find members want lists that need a lot of commons. > I seem to remember Aaron Shirley has a long list of 69 topps > needs so > i think i will start checking his list first. > It was nice to be able to buy 100's of 69 topps for 1 cent each!- > Linda ================= To: Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:16:33 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Interesting Jim Kaat story One of my client grew up with Jim Kaat in Zeeland, MI........ next door neighbor. The other day he told me that Kaat was 5-10 when he graduated and his dad sent him to the Mayo Clinic that summer .... somehow or another he added about 6 inches in the next year or so. Now I'm sure that growth spurts at that age aren't out of the ordinary but it makes you wonder. Chuck ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 14:45:32 -0500 To: chuckparis@comcast.net (Chuck Paris) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Interesting Jim Kaat story Are you sure he said Mayo and not Balco? We keep what we give away! ================= To: , Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 13:32:15 -0600 From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" I agree with Chuck. Start up a 69 wantlist! ----- Original Message ----- From: rdn56@nc.rr.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 centeach" That's a great find! Be sure to look for those ever elusive White Letter variations. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Paris Date: Sunday, February 4, 2007 12:42 pm Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, Linda > Hey Linda: Start collecting the 69s !!!!!! I'll send you some. > Chuck ----- Original Message ----- > From: Linda > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, February 04, 2007 4:15 AM > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 > cent each" > Yesterday was Saturday and that means card shop bid board > day.Only > this week there wasn't much vintage on the bid board to bid on so > it > was kind of disappointing and boring.Highlights were a couple of > lower grade 53 Bowman Brooklyn Dodgers i won for $1.75 each, > Billy > Loes and Gil Hodges-but heck i won another 53 Bowman Hodges a few > weeks ago on the same board so it gets kind of boring seeing the > same > cards show up again so soon.You've seen one 53 Bowman Hodges, you > have seen them all- and i had to pay $21 for the one a couple of > weeks ago so no one was in the mood to bid on another one so i > got > the one really cheap yesterday. > No bid board action to speak of so the local collectors like me > usually hit the yard sales.And i am lucky i did. > I went to one yard sale when i saw box of cards on the front lawn > with other items the owner of the house was selling.I was > initially > disappointed when i looked in the box of cards the seller had > marked > 5 cents each and saw only worthless 80's and 90's common player > cards. I then asked the seller if he had any older cards.He said > "yes, but i > didn't put them out because kids only buy the newer cards." > He went in the house and came out with a binder and handed it to > me > and said "those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each." > I opened the binder and it was filled with 69 topps cards most of > which looked to be in excellent condition.I didn't see any stars > except for a Ron Santo all star but the binder had hundreds of 69 > topps.I counted over 400 cards and they seemed to be in numerical > order up into the 600 numbers and no dupes. > The seller said the binder with the cards would be $4.I gave him > a > five and said keep the change and left happy. > Now since i don't collect the 69 topps set i am going to have fun > checking members want lists for 69 topps.There were no stars but > i am > sure i can find members want lists that need a lot of commons. > I seem to remember Aaron Shirley has a long list of 69 topps > needs so > i think i will start checking his list first. > It was nice to be able to buy 100's of 69 topps for 1 cent each!- > Linda ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:16:12 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: UV warning with a story Okay...so I have been dating this girl Kendra for nearly a year and just found out her step brother played in the major leauges...his name is Tom Wilson. Unfortunately I do not have any of his cards handy and am looking to get a bunch for her, her step-dad, and her step-brother. The easiest cards that some of you might have around are the following. 2003 Topps #188 2004 Topps #135 I would love to find a few copies of each...will reward with vintage! ================= Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:29:06 -0500 To: Wite3@aol.com From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] UV warning with a story To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2007 16:16:12 EST Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] UV warning with a story Okay...so I have been dating this girl Kendra for nearly a year and just found out her step brother played in the major leauges...his name is Tom Wilson. Unfortunately I do not have any of his cards handy and am looking to get a bunch for her, her step-dad, and her step-brother. The easiest cards that some of you might have around are the following. 2003 Topps #188 2004 Topps #135 I would love to find a few copies of each...will reward with vintage! ================= To: "Linda" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:52:16 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] "Those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each" Hello Linda, Please post a want list for `69 Topps and I'm sure that you will even more delighted as to how quickly you have completed this set. Who knows your $5 garage sale could be even bigger with some assistance from OBC. I'll be looking for that newly added want-list to hit - BE WELL!!! REGARDS ---------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" Yesterday was Saturday and that means card shop bid board day.Only this week there wasn't much vintage on the bid board to bid on so it was kind of disappointing and boring.Highlights were a couple of lower grade 53 Bowman Brooklyn Dodgers i won for $1.75 each, Billy Loes and Gil Hodges-but heck i won another 53 Bowman Hodges a few weeks ago on the same board so it gets kind of boring seeing the same cards show up again so soon.You've seen one 53 Bowman Hodges, you have seen them all- and i had to pay $21 for the one a couple of weeks ago so no one was in the mood to bid on another one so i got the one really cheap yesterday. No bid board action to speak of so the local collectors like me usually hit the yard sales.And i am lucky i did. I went to one yard sale when i saw box of cards on the front lawn with other items the owner of the house was selling.I was initially disappointed when i looked in the box of cards the seller had marked 5 cents each and saw only worthless 80's and 90's common player cards. I then asked the seller if he had any older cards.He said "yes, but i didn't put them out because kids only buy the newer cards." He went in the house and came out with a binder and handed it to me and said "those older cards in that binder are 1 cent each." I opened the binder and it was filled with 69 topps cards most of which looked to be in excellent condition.I didn't see any stars except for a Ron Santo all star but the binder had hundreds of 69 topps.I counted over 400 cards and they seemed to be in numerical order up into the 600 numbers and no dupes. The seller said the binder with the cards would be $4.I gave him a five and said keep the change and left happy. Now since i don't collect the 69 topps set i am going to have fun checking members want lists for 69 topps.There were no stars but i am sure i can find members want lists that need a lot of commons. I seem to remember Aaron Shirley has a long list of 69 topps needs so i think i will start checking his list first. It was nice to be able to buy 100's of 69 topps for 1 cent each!-Linda ================= Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 23:54:10 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: I am working on enough 60's sets already -< In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Chuck Paris" Hey Linda: Start collecting the 69s !!!!!! I'll send you some. Since this is Ramblings i guess i will ramble a little ( or maybe a lot) Many nice OBCers have suggested that i start a 69 set but i am working on enough 60's sets already and don't want to take on another one. That is my "official" reason or excuse-the truth is right now i get a lot more fun sending cards out and hitting others want lists than i get in receiving cards myself.I guess we all try to do what is the most fun for us when it comes to card collecting.I just would rather hit others want lists than have the chore of starting a 69 set.I am way too lazy to enter over 400 card numbers of the 69 set that i do have on my OBC wants.It is a lot of work just maintaining my other 60's topps want Another reason is that if i don't start a 69 set and am able to send out 69's to other traders i get to do what is the most fun to me right now with cards-send out those old non sport tobacco cards with the baseball cards. These old non sport tobacco cards are my fun now because they are like baseball cards when i first started collecting them- cheap. There was a time when i could buy older baseball cards for under $1 but that time is no more- Just try to get 52,53,54 topps and early bowmans for under $1-trying to get them for 10 cents each is no longer possible. But these old non sport tobacco cards from mainly British manufacturers can be bought in large 1,000 or more card lots on ebay for 5 to 15 cents each. My only recent fun with cards has been that 1 cent each 69 topps But i have had a lot of fun buying over 3,000 old tobacco cards from British, German and New Zealand sellers.Some in lots of 1,000 for 10 cents a card! Also i have to admit as a woman i like the old tobacco cards of movie stars a lot more than baseball players. I can buy the best of the best tobacco cards- a German embossed card of a famous movie star like Clara Bow (the 1920's IT girl) or Clark Gable or Greta Garbo and others for 75 cents! And i like those movie star cards a lot better than a 50's or 60's Mickey Mantle card i would have to pay $100 or more for in nice I am not giving up OBC or baseball cards but the most fun i am having right now is buying large lots of these old tobacco cards for the prices 50's and 60's baseball cards used to be long ago- 5 and 10 cents The fun to me is not the baseball cards i send T.J. Valacak but the old train tobacco cards i put in the sleeves with the baseball cards because he mentioned his father worked on trains. Also the fun to me is not the baseball cards i send to Jerry Coker but the horse tobacco cards i send to his daughter Sarah.Because she likes horses i have the fun of looking through my non sport tobacco cards and putting aside any horse ones for her. It was fun to send the old tobacco card picturing the British threepence to Aaron Shirley because he collets British coins. Geordie Calvert made me happy when he explained all about the German Tobacco cards i sent him. And Chris Stufflestreet blew me away when i sent him the card of the German actress Renate Muller and i learned from him that she was a contemporary rivel of the great Marlene Detrich but while Dietrich came to the U.S. to make movies and become famous Muller stayed in Germany and remained in obscurity because of her early death due to fall out a window assisted by Gestapo agents. And i am sure not going to forget Mark Talbot who i have to thank for assisting me in bidding on and winning large lots of embossed German movie star cards from German sellers. So i am not going to take on the chore of another 60's set but am just going to send out 69 topps to members want lists and have fun putting my old non sport tobacco cards in the sleeves with them.- Linda ================= Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:19:41 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: First Quarter goes to..... Kevin Martens!!! congrats and update that wantlist! I will be away from my PC until sometime in the 4th quarter, so look for the next update then! ================= Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:38:17 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: 2 more winners! Ken Morganti wins the 2nd quarter based on the first score change of the 3rd quarter, and Neal Thomas wins the 3rd quarter. One more to go, get those lists ready.... do it now because I think the game is about done :( ================= Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 22:07:56 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Super Bowl is over... let the cardboard fly! Congrats to: Kevin Martens, Ken Morganti, Neal Thomas, Steve Hitzeman. Get those list current guys! Everyone else, thanks for playing! As usual it was lots of fun. Remember to email me whit the number of cards you send to each guy so I can post the totals! 2 weeks until pitchers and catchers report! Go Orioles! Go OBC! ================= Date: Mon, 5 Feb 2007 21:22:27 -0500 To: Thanks , From: "Steve Rittenberg" Subject: Thanks Mac! (and a ramble added in) Thanks to Mac Wubben for a Superbowl treat. I sent out an invitation to the local OBCers to see if they wanted to come by for cards 'n' tv. Mac responded by inviting me over. I packed up a small tub of cards rather than the usual 15,000 dupes I travel with and headed over. I got to see Mac's new place. I'd tell you where it is but I got lost and only barely found it myself. The game was already into the second quarter when I arrived. Mac brought out his dupes box and I found a few I could use, including a 75 Gibson Highlight. Woohoo! We munched on wings at halftime. Did you know that people actually make wings in their house? I thought they were only available at places like Hooters. Much of the excitement during the game was "will Mac win the pool?" At times Mac rooted for both times, depending on his needs. Then he rooted for no score at all, a safety, and a two point conversion. The game was fun for me until Hayden ran back the pick in the fourth quarter. At that point I was already leaving since I wanted to get to bed early. I had an awesome time. I hope we get together again soon. Swapping cards was fun but just hanging out was better. ================= Date: Tue, 06 Feb 2007 18:23:34 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "metsbwd" Subject: Update - Change Some of you may have wondered where I've been for a while... For the past three years, I have been doing a significant amount of travel for work, mostly to the Netherlands with occasional trips to Asia. I've spent maybe 6 of the past 36 months in the US. That's more than I can say for the next 18. It looks like my string of missed shows will be continuing. Starting this Saturday, I will be on a "permanent" assignment to the Netherlands for the next 18 months. My address will be: Brett Domue de Rozentuin 55 5611 Eindhoven the Netherlands Wish me luck... ================= To: Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 19:07:51 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Gambling debt Anybody who owes me for the Saints/Bears game want to assume my liability for the Super Bowl?? ================= To: "Ramblings \(OBC\)" Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 13:54:13 -0800 From: "Geordie Calvert" Subject: appreciations Thanks out to Gersh for a trio of hits to the '65 list: Mazeroski, Don Lockand Ken Harrleson. ================= Date: Wed, 07 Feb 2007 19:36:23 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: the (SB) hits start rolling in! Check out http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htm to see who has the early lead! ================= To: "vct" , Date: Wed, 7 Feb 2007 21:43:46 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1960 topps fb #6 Hello All, I happen to have 2 of them with 1 which has a rectanle red blotch on his left arm ..the one which is bent to his chest. Any body else? ================= To: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 06:29:05 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: It's a boy ..... .... actually a very old boy on cardboard. I'd like to announce the latestaddition to my collection. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih007&sspagenameSTRK%3AMESE%3AIT&viewitem&item170076794427&rd1&rd1 (I hope it's authentic) ================= Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:55:37 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Available I picked up a couple of '47-66 Exhibits from ebay this morning. When all my lots come in, I'll be down to 99 to go to finish the set - the Dreaded Mike Rich Last Hundred! As a result of today's pickups, I have a '47-66 Exhibit of Minnie Minoso (sitting) available to a good home. Anybody? ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:18:48 EST To: chuckparis@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It's a boy ..... Look, I view this as a bargain...if you pick up the other half for $46 and glue them together, you have a bat-off Cobb for less than $100!!! Great card! ================= To: , Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:22:13 -0500 From: "chuckparis" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It's a boy ..... Actually I see them as two cards..... a head-off and a body-off ! ----- Original Message ----- From: Wite3@aol.com To: chuckparis@comcast.net ; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] It's a boy ..... Look, I view this as a bargain...if you pick up the other half for $46 and glue them together, you have a bat-off Cobb for less than $100!!! Great card! ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 20:29:24 EST To: seanobc@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl is over... let the cardboard fly! Would love to send out cards but the obc website seems to be down...help? ================= To: Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 18:26:43 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: OBC Website.... Glad I=92m not the only one having problems=85..was heading in to check wantlists to pay my SuperBowl debts, and there it is gone=85.. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: ================= To: Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 02:49:14 +0000 From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Website.... oh good, it wasn't just me. I was just trying to get through myself. -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Grant" Glad I’m not the only one having problems…..was heading in to check wantlists to pay my SuperBowl debts, and there it is gone….. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.30/674 - Release Date: 2/7/2007 ================= Date: Thu, 8 Feb 2007 22:40:27 EST To: dodgergeo@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Website.... No its not just you..... I cant get on either ================= Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 13:06:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Ken M" Subject: Re: OBC Website.... I couldn't log on to the site all day yesterday either... the hamster fell off the wheel Ken M ================= Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2007 17:17:28 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Rick Johnson" Subject: OBC Web Site I'm not paranoid or into conspiracy theories or anything, but do you suppose that our web site may have disappeared at the hands of a sinister postal carrier that "just can't take it anymore." All of those puffies that keep rolling in and out might have spelled our doom. I'll just shut up and take a little extra medication today and I'm sure these thoughts will pass. Rick Johnson ================= To: , Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:54:39 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Website MIA Wayne -- Not sure if you're aware of it, but the website has been down for a couple days. Maybe Mike Rich tried to add more sets to his list and crashed the thing... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 18:42:17 EST To: CardClctor@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: I going to a show tomorrow will SB winners respond. Maybe you Super Bowl winners have a wantlist you could post on the email I remeber Kevin need 1962, Steve 1963 dont rember Neal list at all and Morganti I know has more on his list than a 1966 Philly of Ray Nitsche (i know i near Wisconsin but I have a better chance of geting a 52 Mantle under a buck than that card) I am going to a card show so if you could send me a or all of us a list I might be able to send you cards before next superbowl ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:06:30 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: site issues? anyone else not able to get to our site? ================= To: "trading bases" , Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 21:48:28 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 1975 fb checklist schedule in need Hello All, I just came across these & need a few. 1975 fb team checklist (schedule)any condition cowboys,cheifs,rams,raiders,chargers any help Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 03:04:25 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: Bad few days for old ballplayers.... Bad few days for the ballplayers that we collect....Barber, Burdette, and Bauer - not to mention Max Lanier, who goes back a few more years. Guess we better get used to it. ================= Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 22:49:10 -0500 (EST) To: From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] I going to a show tomorrow will SB winners respond. My wantlists are at: http://www.geocities.com/splinter_65/index.html and Kevins are at: http://www.angelfire.com/journal/tradingbases/index.html Couldn't find the other two....sorry. Can Ken and Steve post theirs? > Maybe you Super Bowl winners have a wantlist you could post on the email > I remeber Kevin need 1962, Steve 1963 dont rember Neal list at all and > Morganti I know has more on his list than a 1966 Philly of Ray Nitsche (i > know i near Wisconsin but I have a better chance of geting a 52 Mantle > under a buck than that card) I am going to a card show so if you could > send me a or all of us a list I might be able to send you cards before > next superbowl > Ray ================= To: biggies@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 00:00:04 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] site issues? Hey Bob, I haven't been able to access the site either. I've tried, so I could update lists--three hits to my lists in the last three days from members, but I'll wait on that till all is running smoothly. Father Pat >From: biggies@aol.com >To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] site issues? >Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2007 20:06:30 EST >anyone else not able to get to our site? Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger http://clk.atdmt.com/MSN/go/msnnkwme0020000001msn/direct/01/?href=http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?locale=en-us&source=hmtagline ================= To: Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 19:57:44 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Lonely Seaver OBCers -- I have a lonely 1977 Hostess Tom Seaver card in my dupes box (#7) - anybody want to give him a home?? Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 20:06:43 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: HELP!! I have not been able to get to our site in 2 days. I asked if anyone else was having a problem yesterday and didnt hear from anyone so I am not sure my email went through either. So, is anyone else having any problem? I need to payoff some Super Bowl pool debts. Thanks and I hope all are well, Bob Bannon ================= Date: Sat, 10 Feb 2007 23:07:35 EST To: wayne@deliafamily.net, geno.wagner@ntlworld.com From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: Website MIA I get buried at work causing me to stay away from the computer for 6 days and I come back to accusations of crashing the greatest website on the web. Yeesh. If I wanted this kind of baseless blame I would stay at the office. I will be thinning out my lists when I can access them as I have been receiving packages from OBCers & VCTers and finished off a few UV sets and even a Coke cap set. I also need to get my SuperBowl payoffs out the door, but need to access the lists first. Mike Rich ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 17:14:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Still Looking for a good home '47-66 Exhibit Minnie Minoso, still looking for a good home. Pin holes on top and bottom, but otherwise not bad at all. Anybody? ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 16:07:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: What's Up with the Website Being Down I just got off the phone with an annoying tech-support type from Verio (our web site hosting service provider). He really pisses me off, he reminds me of me. Basically, here's the problem. Use of our web site starts some sort of a "FrontPage" application which is creating all sorts of little programs running on their server, which is eating up a lot of CPU time. I am not very familiar with FrontPage, but the guy says it's starting up all sorts of processes on their server involving a program such as "shtml.exe" (that's from my notes, and could be wrong). Since there was such a load on the CPU, they effectively shut down our website by an administrative switch on their side blocking Port 80. Here's why it's taken so long to communicate the problem to us: They have my outdated email address on the control panel - wayne@deliafamily.com - which I cannot update because the port number is blocked. I can send them email from wayne@deliafamily.net, but I need to identify myself as the account owner including the account ID and password, so they know it's official. I can get to the web site via FTP, and have already backed up all the files on the web site. The tech-support guy told me to look in the access log file for the website, to determine what processes are causing the CPU load. But, of course, the access log file is empty, as is the error log file. So, basically, right now, there's a problem, which they can't give me much information on what's causing it, and they won't grant access until we feel around in the dark and fix the problem - without being able to test whether our fix is the definite solution. This will be grounds enough to seriously begin considering whether to change service providers. Steve Rittenberg and I go through these kinds of registration problems each year around this time, but this one seems to be relatively I'll keep you posted as I find out new information. We're probably close to a solution, but it involves the cooperation of tech support people who don't want to cooperate. Wayne Delia, wayne@deliafamily.net Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. ================= Date: Sun, 11 Feb 2007 19:28:49 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Matthew Subject: OBC-grade prewar seller on eBay There are some good OBC lots from the seller "catonglue" that start at 99 cents. http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItems&useridcatonglue&include0&since-1&sort3&rows25 Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 11:09:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Website DOA I'm really at a loss to explain why this happened, but our website - www.oldbaseball.com - is being held hostage by our own web hosting service provider (Verio). They're saying we're using too much CPU time on their hosting computer, but there's currently no way to diagnose the problem or even access our account to fix it. I got the help desk to recognize a very tight little "Catch-22" that they've closed off the web site until we fix the unspecified problem, but we can't fix the unspecified problem until they open up the web site, which they won't do. Their only response was "That's our policy." Further complicating the matter is the contact email on record is my previous obsolete one - wayne@deliafamily.com - and all email to me gets sent there, then to the email Dead Letter Office also known as the "Bit-Bucket". And, of course, I can't change the contact email address, because I can't get to the control panel, because they've turned off access to the website. I do, however, have FTP access, so I've backed up all the files and database information securely here at home, and am currently uploading it to my website on 1and1.com. So, what that all means is that we'll need to switch hosting service providers, from Verio to 1and1.com, and I'll be working with Steve Rittenberg, the esteemed owner of the domain name www.oldbaseball.com, to "point" the domain name www.oldbaseball.com from the Verio storage to the 1and1.com storage, and things should be up and running within the next few days with no loss of data. There will be a few things falling through the cracks, which I expect, but our elite OBC technical team is up to the challenge of putting things back together. ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 13:06:57 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: address change can who ever manages the directory contact me for a address change? thanks,kit ================= Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:12:26 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Web site resurrected Temporarily, the OBC website has resurfaced on the web. Just for the next couple of days, until Steve Rittenberg can finish the paperwork to transfer the www.oldbaseball.com domain name to 1and1.com, we will need to specify the following address to get to the web site: http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com/ Everything appears to work OK, with just a few minor exceptions: the web visits counter (which was somehow reset by Verio during a migration a few months ago anyway) on the main page, and the "Search" function, which tries to use Google to search the old website on Verio, which is still not responding. All other information appears to work. I have not been able to test out the Wantlist Editor function, so if someone can test that out, let me know how (or if) it works. Any updates to want lists, or personal information on the database, all that is expected to be relatively permanent and will be carried over when we re-establish www.oldbaseball.com on 1and1.com. Thanks to so many of you for all your words of encouragement, and you will all be pleased to know that our esteemed treasurer, Bob Donaldson, has done his fiduciary "due diligence," inquiring about the cost of the 1and1.com hosting package. To the best of my knowledge, 1and1.com provides us with about a hundred gigabytes (that's no typo!) which is a lot more space than Verio gave us, also more email addresses (about a thousand or two thousand email addresses) - all for less cost per month, approximately $15/month - Verio was running us close to three hundred dollars a year, just about $25/month. So for the next couple of days, the website and all the data can be accessed at the following web address: http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com/ And within a week or so, we will be ready to go back to plain old address we all know and love. ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:00:38 -0600 From: "George Vrechek" Subject: Re:What's Up with the Website Being Down Thanks for the update. We may be dealing with the company that employs Dilbert - or worse yet - Wally. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 19:27:39 -0500 From: jdelott@aol.com Subject: 1961 highs to trade I finally did some damage to my 1961 high WL by purchasing a a sizeable lot of them together. I wound up with three dupes: 526, 547 and 557. I'm looking to trade them for for others on my WL. I can send a scan if needed. Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- 2 GB of storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ================= To: Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2007 18:32:29 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: address change kit okamuro 2021 trinity ave barstow ca 92311 phone #760-252-7043 ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:21:30 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Welcome back, website! Hmmm...awfully quiet here on the ramblings server! Just taking a moment to thank Wayne, Steve, and whoever else was involved in getting the OBC site back up and running. I also wanted to point out something I've observed...the Directory icon from the left menu gives an error, but I already found a "back-door" entrance until it is fixed: by clicking on the "What's New?" icon and scrolling down to the entries from around 2002, I clicked on an "OBC Member Directory" link that took me right in. I'm sure our expert team will have things working the right way soon, but if you simply can't wait to get some cardboard flying (like me!) this seems to work for the moment. ================= Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 19:33:02 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: Link from a parallel universe? Guess I should do some more fact checking (like CBS news, according to the Simpsons last Sunday...) The link that I found to the directory works...sort of. It pulls up an older listing (for example, "newbie" Rick Johnson isn't listed, the 4-5 links we are used to seeing at the top of the list above the names are only 2 choices and in a different format, etc.) but the link works in pulling back my most current list. Hmm...maybe I should wait to hear from Wayne to confirm that I'm not updating my list in some irretrievable sector of hyperspace? I guess this is why I'm posting on the ramblings server...sorry if I got anyone's hopes up prematurely regarding the full return of the site. ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 09:57:51 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: question for all Hello all ,John Morrison offered me up a few cards that I am taking a pass when he told me the cards i thought of the group. My question; I wanted to know if it would be wrong to send out an email with the cards and prices on it. on OBC ramblings...... I am not trying to sell them nor is there any money going in my pocket....I just though that some obcers might to take a look. I do have an email with the prices.....Please let me know if you guys and gals would mind if i sent out the email or if I am out of line either way email me and let me know ================= To: , Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:51:53 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] question for all Rob -- I think it's fine... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: DaPatriot1@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 2:57 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question for all Hello all ,John Morrison offered me up a few cards that I am taking a pass when he told me the cards i thought of the group. My question; I wanted to know if it would be wrong to send out an email with the cardsand prices on it. on OBC ramblings...... I am not trying to sell them nor is there any money going in my pocket....I just though that some obcers might to take a look. I do have an email with the prices.....Please let me know if you guys andgals would mind if i sent out the email or if I am out of line either way email me and let me know ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:51:46 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: Website almost ready to go The temporary OBC website at http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com, as some of you have noticed, is mostly functional except for being unable to update the want lists that are kept on the website itself. (If you have a want list at another location other than the OBC website, this won't affect you at all.) We're also very close to having the regular OBC website up and running once again. We've transferred hosting companies from Verio to Network Solutions, Inc. The OBC site also is mostly functional, and Steve Rittenberg and I are waiting on responses from customer technical support on two issues: making a database connection to MySql, and again enabling update of the wantlists stored on the website. The programs which present the web pages we see on the OBC web site need to use a database to contain our personal, confidential information. We store that info on a MySql database, which creates the pages as requested, so that our email addresses, home addresses, and other confidential stuff isn't available to web search programs like Google. Once we get info from tech support as to how to talk to the database (all info is already uploaded), we'll be able to run the Directory page. For now, the Directory is available in the temporary OBC website stored in my domain (address is above). The method we've been using for years to enable updating of want lists stored on the web site, for the most part, worked OK the past few years. That was written by Bill Ebbing before he left OBC some time ago. It's difficult to maintain, and there is a lot of difficulty determining a forgotten current password or changing the password (passwords are usually 4-digit numbers). We're currently evaluating different solutions to this problem and should have this thing going again very soon. So, in the meantime, if you have cards from someone's want list, and their want list has a button at the bottom reading "Click here to update your wantlist," then you might want to send them an email to verify that they still need a card you want to send to them. Just for the next couple of days, when it should be cleared up once and for all. Again, thanks so much for all the kind words of encouragement and support you've sent me. You guys rock. I'll send out more status updates when we make some progress. ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 13:10:40 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: I feel old...website issues I was talking to a friend about our OBC website and he asked how old it was...I said that the website has got to be close to 15 years old now (as OBC approaches the voting age, I am amazed--pretty soon our little group will be smoking, drinking, and hanging out with the wrong crowd). My friend was sort of amazed and said that it is amazing...oldbaseball.com has been around longer than the following websites... and a few others...crazy!! ================= Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:52:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "T.J. Valacak" Subject: Announcement and Availables I would like to proudly announce that my wife and I are expecting our first. The due date is June 9th. This is going to be a great summer. My wife and I are both very excited. We decided not to find out the baby's sex. (I love surprises). The name is already picked out. Boy or girl, the baby will be named Devon Hester Valacak. That's actually a joke, but it is what I tell everyone who asks. It's funny to see some of the teachers I work with that do not follow football. They think it is a bit of a strange name. Anyway, I just wanted to share this exciting news with my cardboard family. Now, for some availables. 1959 - 133 502 1960 - 27 1961 - 196 1965 - 157 1966 - 39 40 45 48 55 127 128 1967 - 96 370 1968 - 130 302 354 1969 - 16 52 240 360 378 1970 - 5 16 79 182 302 1971 - 109 179 190 193 249 371 401 497 1972 - 87 88 89 92 94 100 102 165 212 264 391 420 448 535 565 712 1973 - 3 184 203 204 205 206 258 440 505 507 513 516 524 526 534 561 1975 - 326 394 503 556 Don't be shy. I will try and hit as many claims that come my way. ================= To: , Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:08:58 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: Buy One, Get Three Buy one, get three Email's? I wonder how many of us got the same solicitation Email? ----- Original Message ----- From: DaPatriot1@aol.com To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2007 7:57 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] question for all Hello all ,John Morrison offered me up a few cards that I am taking a pass on, when he told me the cards i thought of the group. My question; I wanted to know if it would be wrong to send out an email with the cards and prices on it. on OBC ramblings...... I am not trying to sell them nor is there any money going in my pocket....Ijust though that some obcers might to take a look. I do have an email with the prices.....Please let me know if you guys and gals would mind if i sent out the email or if I am out of line either way email me and let me know ================= Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2007 08:28:58 EST To: obc-announcements@yahoogroups.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: website - not down, just moved i keep reading postings about how the website is down, so perhpas some folks didn't see this. wayne delia has offered an alternative link that does just about everything the old site does. give this one a try. _http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com/_ (http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com/) ================= To: Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 01:11:17 -0500 From: "Lynn Miller" Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Hi Gang, Greetings, long overdue, from sunny Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I'm leaving here to go back home to the Philippines in three weeks, not to return here. Been a long tough year being away from the family and ain't gonna do it again. Well just wondering if there is a league this year, I notice today is first day of signups. We have a link and password somewhere? ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:39:36 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Fantasy Baseball I've started a Fantasy Baseball League. All are welcome to join, here's the info: League ID# is 42133 and the Password is obc ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 13:50:07 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball I should have mentioned in my original post, the draft is scheduled for this Friday, February 23. I like having lots of time to tinker before the season. Also, I'm going to be in Florida for two weeks of Spring Training starting March 1, so I wanted to know who my players are before I leave! Again, the League ID# is 42133 and the Password is obc. C'mon and play! ================= To: , Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 10:05:51 -0500 From: "Mark Holland" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Are you sure that the ID and password are correct? It did not recognize mysign in attempt. ----- Original Message ----- From: jimbo777777 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 8:50 AM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Yahoo Fantasy Baseball I should have mentioned in my original post, the draft is scheduled for this Friday, February 23. I like having lots of time to tinker before the season. Also, I'm going to be in Florida for two weeks of Spring Training starting March 1, so I wanted to know who my players are before I leave! Again, the League ID# is 42133 and the Password is obc. C'mon and play! ================= To: "vct" , Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 12:30:58 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: 61's for 61's Hello All, I have not started this set yet but was hoping to trade some dupes for someI My needs in any condition: 1, 2,, 4, 7, 8, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 16, 18, 19, 21, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 30, 32, 35, 40, 42, 44, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 57, 58, 60, 65, 66, 68,69, 70, 74, 76, 77, 78, 80, 81, 82, 84, 86, 87, 88, 89, 90,93, 94, 95, 96, 99, 100, 103, 104, 106, 109, 110, 112, 113, 115, 117, 119, 120, 122, 128, 132, 133, 134, 135,, 138, 139, 140, 141, 142, 144, 145, 147, 149, 152, 158, 159, 160, 167, 168, 169, 172, 180, 184, 185, 188, 189, 197, 200, 203, 205, 208, 210, 211, 213, 214, 215, 218, 219, 221, 222, 223, 224, 226, 227, 228, 229, 230, 232, 233, 234, 235, 238, 242, 248, 249, 250, 253, 254, 255, 258, 259, 260, 261, 262, 264, 265, 266, 275, 276, 277, 279, 280, 281, 282, 287, 288, 289, 290, 292, 294, 296, 297, 298, 299, 300, 302, 303, 304, 305, 306, 308, 309, 310, 311, 312, 313, 314, 315, 316, 317, 318, 322, 324, 327, 329, 330, 331, 332, 333, 334, 336, 337, 340, 344, 345, 347, 348, 349, 351, 355, 356, 357, 358, 359, 360, 361, 362, 363, 366, 367, 371, 373, 374, 375, 376, 377, 378, 380, 382, 383, 384, 385, 386, 388, 389, 392,395, 396, 398, 399, 400, 402, 403, 404, 405, 406, 408, 410, 412, 413, 415, 416, 417, 418, 419, 421, 422, 423, 425, 426, 427, 428, 429, 430, 431, 433, 434, 435, 436, 438, 439, 440, 443, 444, 445, 446, 447, 448, 451, 454, 457, 458, 459, 460, 461, 462, 463, 464, 465, 466, 467, 469, 471, 472, 475, 478, 480, 481, 482, 483, 484, 485, 486, 487, 489, 490, 491, 493, 494, 495,497, 498, 499, 500, 501, 502, 503, 504, 505, 506, 507, 511, 512, 513, 514, 515, 516, 518, 519, 520, 522, 523, 524, 525, 526, 527, 528, 529, 530, 531, 532, 533, 534, 535, 536, 537, 538, 539, 540, 541, 542, 543, 544, 545, 546, 547, 548, 549, 551, 552, 553, 554, 555, 556, 557, 558, 559, 560, 561, 562, 563, 564, 565, 566, 567, 568, 569, 570, 571, 572, 573, 574, 575, 576, 577, 578, 579, 580, 581, 582, 583, 584, 585, 586, 587, my dupes in vg avg with a couple abit better & some worst: 5,38,67,83,107,129,137,143,146,154,156,,163,179,181,183, 186,190,217,231,273,319,343,365,456,474,479 I also have a stack of 64-66 dupes with minor stars if interested Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:31:09 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: The count goes to no balls and one strike? Hi gang, I sit here on the eve of a very important meeting at work. The union contract expires today. Technically I'll be working without a contract tonight, but there's nothing I can do about that until after the union meeting. The United Food and Commercial Workers local 1445, which represents about 15,000 workers in New England may vote to go on strike tomorrow around noon. Some of the other locals in CT and RI are waiting to see what our decision is, since their contracts expired concurrently. Hopefully, there'll be a last minute settlement like there was three years ago, but reports up to now haven't been very promising. I'm looking forward to this about as much as a root canal without anesthesia, especially with the prospect of picketing at 3 AM in ten degree weather. So why am I bothering you all with this? While neither side can afford a work stoppage of any length of time, the main negotiators are from a similar walkout in CA a couple years ago that lasted three months. If it does come down to that, I may be forced to recycle some of my recent eBay winnings back for sale. There may be a couple cards that I got from you guys, but I don't think there's many (as most of what you guys have sent has gone into the binders). Just to be sure, I'm planning a rather extensive availables list to be e-mailed shortly after this message. Please take advantage of it and claim away, since I might have plenty of time on my hands to mail cards... not that I don't have a lot already. If there IS a walkout, I'd ask that any OBC'ers on the east coast support us by not shopping with Stop & Shop or Giant Supermarkets and to tell as many friends and relatives to do the same. If worse come to worst, I may have to sell a couple of my second sets (the nice ones because who needs nice cards anyway?) but that'd be a last resort thing. My eBay ID is ken_m but don't look for any auctions right away. I still have a couple paychecks coming before I start looking for money anyway. Thanks for your support and check out that list - it's coming in two seconds. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 14:31:19 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Availables The following are up for grabs. Preference will be given randomly (especially for some of the more popular cards listed), so don't worry if you're reading this a couple days later - I probably won't get around to filling requests for a couple days anyway, since I anticipate quite a few. Condition varies, but if you have to ask, you don't want them. (I'd be surprised if anything was way above VG). There's a couple stars in here, so condition on those is probably hideous. The only variations noted are the 1956's, but in some cases only one is available (ie. I have 19w and 19g listed. The first one claimed is mailed, the other will be on eBay ...possibly ...eventually). If there's any other variations I skipped, please ask, although I doubt anything really scarce is in here. A mailing address will speed shipping, although not by a whole lot Cash offers will not be accepted, bribes are strictly prohibited and anonymous donations will be frowned upon. Under no circumstances will any BIDDING be tolerated. Trade offers, however, will be welcomed, but not necessary - how many times do I have to beat it into your heads that these cards are FREE FOR THE ASKING!? Sorry, I got carried away there. Don't be shy. I repeat, DON'T BE SHY - there should be plenty to go around for everybody. The 1969-1973's might be listed in a couple days or weeks, but there's a lot more of them, so that may take a while to build up enough inspiration. It took too long to get this out to you all. Anyway, dig in... 1951 Topps RB: 33 1952 Topps: 96 123 1953 Topps:113 153 264 1954 Topps: 143 1954 Bowman: 24 75 99 1955 Topps: 62 62 62 86 86 101 170 170 173 192 1956 Topps: 16w 19w 19g 23w 23w 23g 27w 43w 47g 48w 48g 50w 52w 52g 55g 56g 56g 59w 66g 75w 75w 80w 82w 82g(x3) 86w 86g 91w 91g(x3) 105g 144g 144g 151g 156g 169g 171g 202 205 230 230 247 267 267 301 322 327 339 339 1958 Topps: 27 28 28 49 97 121 138 144 154 154 165 166 177 177 184 225 225 243 244 279 389 398 401 416 422 426 430 444 453 457 458 468 469 471 1960 Topps: 1 240 1960 Fleer: 30 49 63 77 1961 Post: 15 15 17 34 66 79 90 95 123 124 134 140 148 149 187 1962 Post: 3 18 21 22 37 43 48 50 68 81 86 105 112 121 124 126 134 135 135 146 150 156 157 181 197 199 1963 Post: 91 110 175 1962 Topps: 22 36 36 38 48 63 63 66 69 89 92 94 98(x6) 104 112 120 122 147 165 192 212 229 229 242 248 254 268 269 275 277(x4) 326 359 367 369 372 375 504 513 538 1963 Topps: 6 24 31 31 31 32 34 73 79 94(x5) 125 143 154 166 166 176 178 185 201 266 376 376 404 and a Jim Golden with no back (# unknown) 1964 Topps: 18 72 84 168 233 1965 OPC: 91 190 1965 Topps: 1 6 13 23 36 36 37 52 59 69 79 90 94 104 106 108 109 119 128 156 177 179 182 188 189 222 234 242 253 262 273 290 361 439 441 441 447 480 539 552 564 564 568 574 585 585 585 595 1966 OPC: 28 Niekro 1966 Topps: 8 13 20 20 21 31 31 32 33 35 37 38 38 41 42 42 44 44 45 46 46 47 51 56 58(x5) 68 68 68 69 71 75 75 76 77 77 101 106 107 107 112 114 123 133 136 139 139 145 146 148 151 153 154 156 156 159(x4) 161 162 164 164 165 171 173 173 174 176 182 183 183186 191 191 202 213 222 226 236 236 243 244 248 248 252 260 261 262 262 263 264 264 280 292 316 330 344 387 387 387 1967 Topps: 76(x5) 81 101 143 190 204 207 211 214 227 245 253 259 273 278(x3) 298 301 302 335 349 360 376 378 378 402 405 405 405 407 408 411 416 416 426 426 429 432 437 460 490 490 497 507 1968 Topps: 53 53 53 60 67 68 79 98 103 107 147 210 218 239 268 276 277 420 1968 Topps Game: 1 1 10 12 13 13 16 17 18 23 23 25 28 33 ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 20:59:45 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: Any cards of former Los Angeles Angels baseball announcer? One of the announcers for the Los Angeles Angels in the early 1960's when the team first started was Buddy Blattner.Can anyone find out for me exactly what years he worked as an Angels announcer. I never knew he was a baseball player at one time because i hadn't seen any card of him until now.I have a 1946 Playball card ( one of those TCMA sets in the style of the old Play Balls)of him: # 46 Buddy Blattner Infielder NY Giants It also mentions on the card he played for the Cardinals in 1942. How long was his career and what other teams did he play for? Also does he have any other card except this 1946 Play Ball? Thanks, Linda ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:23:09 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: OBC Website mostly functional Here's some good, but a little uncertain, news: http://www.oldbaseball.com is once again open for business. Steve Rittenberg and I are still focusing on some open technical problems with our new web hosting provider, Network Solutions, of running the traditional programs to update our wantlists which are stored on the OBC website. If your website is linked to the directory from somewhere other than OBC, then this won't affect you. If you do have your want list on the OBC web site, you're probably used to updating your want list with a button at the bottom that says "Click here to update your wantlist," and entering a 4-digit numeric password to edit your list. We need to do away with that, because we don't have a reliable method to reset these 4-digit passwords, and setting up new accounts usually requires the assignment of a "temporary" password which turns out to be permanent, and many people probably are using the same password. If one of these passwords is forgotten, all hell breaks loose and we have to feel around in the dark to start things up again. To address that issue, I've rewritten the editing program for the wantlists kept on the OBC server. It will require your OBC Directory password instead of the 4-digit numeric password we usually use. Chances are, you've forgotten your password, so here's how to find out what it is. Go to the OBC website, hit the "Directory" button, click on the link for "Update your address or collecting goals," then click on "Email Current OBC Member Profile Password." That will send a note containing your current password to the email account on record. If you're having trouble using this, or you are totally confused, just drop me a line. I can help straighten things out. We're currently also having trouble with making our programs talk to the MySql databases on our new hosting service provider. That's a simple problem which should be solved in the next day or two. In the meantime, I'm temporarily using my own web service provider, 1and1.com, which has an exact copy of our database, and all the programs that make use of the database are pointed there. When we iron these minor things out with our current web site, everything will be consolidated into this one location. I need some eagle-eyed testers to make sure I wasn't drunk and disorderly in repairing the on-site want list update facility. Dan Angland and Father Pat have been terrific lately, pointing out little things that have gone wrong which indicated bigger problems that needed to be solved. So, if you've got your want list saved on the OBC website, and you know (or can find out) your current OBC Member Services password, give it a try and see if you can update your want lists normally. Remember, the 4-digit password is no longer used, and if you've forgotten your OBC Member Services password, you can follow the above trail of links to email your password to yourself. Steve was a real hero in cutting this deal with the new service provider. The previous yearly bill was close to $300, and the new bill is $119/year for similar or better services. That's not bad at all. I am currently writing an involved technical document for the OBCAC, with all the accounts, passwords, contacts, and programming explanations so that if I get assassinated or lynched, any of the other guys can take over the tech responsibilities. ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 18:53:10 EST To: 5foleys@earthlink.net, acarlucci@sbcglobal.net, adecklais@sbcglobal.net, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: (no subject) ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:22:16 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Duh, I need to ask again the site is back up, (thanks Wayne and Steve et al), and I am back in town, may I ask again who the pool ,winners were so I may pay my debts. Thanks BB ================= Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 21:32:52 EST To: OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com, From: biggies@aol.com Subject: Saw a great program today, you should see it I saw a great show on Showtime today. It was called "Bud Greenspan's Pride against Prejudice" It was a documentary on Larry Doby. Most of us know Larry's story and its a pretty good one. What I liked about this was that it was almost entirely done in interview format. Much with his family and friends as well as Larry himself, but also much by Monte Irvin, Don Newcomb and most impressively for me, Bobby Feller. Its a good watch if you can catch it. ================= To: , Date: Sat, 17 Feb 2007 19:32:42 -0800 From: "Dave Fallen" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Any cards of former Los Angeles Angels baseball announcer? Linda: Here is Buddy Blattner's minor league and major league career: BA HR RBI 1938 Columbus AA .154 0 0 1939 Decatur III .269 3 54 1940 Sacramento PCL .278 4 54 1941 Sacramento PCL .294 17 100 1942 Rochester IL .244 4 25 1942 St. Louis NL .043 0 1 1943 (Military Service) --- -- --- 1944 (Military Service) --- -- --- 1945 (Military Service) --- -- --- 1946 New York NL .255 11 49 1947 New York NL .261 0 13 1948 Jersey City IL .276 11 53 1948 New York NL .200 0 0 1949 Philadelphia NL .247 5 21 These are his cards: 1940 Hughes Frozen Convections Sacramento Solons 1947 Tip Top Bread 1949 Eureka Stamps 1949 Philadelphia Bulletin 1983 TCMA 1942-1946 St. Louis Cardinals 1984 TCMA 1946 Playball -Dave Fallen ----- Original Message ----- From: Linda To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 12:59 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Any cards of former Los Angeles Angels baseball announcer? One of the announcers for the Los Angeles Angels in the early 1960's when the team first started was Buddy Blattner.Can anyone find out for me exactly what years he worked as an Angels announcer. I never knew he was a baseball player at one time because i hadn't seen any card of him until now.I have a 1946 Playball card ( one of those TCMA sets in the style of the old Play Balls)of him: # 46 Buddy Blattner Infielder NY Giants It also mentions on the card he played for the Cardinals in 1942. How long was his career and what other teams did he play for? Also does he have any other card except this 1946 Play Ball? Thanks, Linda ================= To: , Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 06:00:24 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Website mostly functional Wayne -- I gave the wantlist update a try and the only problem I had was that it removed all editting. My list is more blob-like than list-like if you go takea look at it. I didn't have any problems with the password, so that part seems to work fine. Thanks for all your work! Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Delia To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 11:23 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] OBC Website mostly functional Here's some good, but a little uncertain, news: http://www.oldbaseball.com is once again open for business. Steve Rittenberg and I are still focusing on some open technical problems with our new web hosting provider, Network Solutions, of running the traditional programs to update our wantlists which are stored on the OBC website. If your website is linked to the directory from somewhere other than OBC, then this won't affect you. If you do have your want list on the OBC web site, you're probably used to updating your want list with a button at the bottom that says "Click here to update your wantlist," and entering a 4-digit numeric password to edit your list. We need to do away with that, because we don't have a reliable method to reset these 4-digit passwords, and setting up new accounts usually requires the assignment of a "temporary" password which turns out to be permanent, and many people probably are using the same password. If one of these passwords is forgotten, all hell breaks loose and we have to feel around in the dark to start things up again. To address that issue, I've rewritten the editing program for the wantlists kept on the OBC server. It will require your OBC Directory password instead of the 4-digit numeric password we usually use. Chances are, you've forgotten your password, so here's how to find out what it is. Go to the OBC website, hit the "Directory" button, click on the link for "Update your address or collecting goals," then click on "Email Current OBC Member Profile Password." That will send a note containing your current password to the email account on record. If you're having trouble using this, or you are totally confused, just drop me a line. I can help straighten things out. We're currently also having trouble with making our programs talk to the MySql databases on our new hosting service provider. That's a simple problem which should be solved in the next day or two. In the meantime, I'm temporarily using my own web service provider, 1and1.com, which has an exact copy of our database, and all the programs that make use of the database are pointed there. When we iron these minor things out with our current web site, everything will be consolidated into this one location. I need some eagle-eyed testers to make sure I wasn't drunk and disorderly in repairing the on-site want list update facility. Dan Angland and Father Pat have been terrific lately, pointing out little things that have gone wrong which indicated bigger problems that needed to be solved. So, if you've got your want list saved on the OBC website, and you know (or can find out) your current OBC Member Services password, give it a try and see if you can update your want lists normally. Remember, the 4-digit password is no longer used, and if you've forgotten your OBC Member Services password, you can follow the above trail of links to email your password to yourself. Steve was a real hero in cutting this deal with the new service provider. The previous yearly bill was close to $300, and the new bill is $119/year for similar or better services. That's not bad at all. I am currently writing an involved technical document for the OBCAC, with all the accounts, passwords, contacts, and programming explanations so that if I get assassinated or lynched, any of the other guys can take over the tech responsibilities. ================= To: "Linda" , uvlist@yahoogroups.com, obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 05:49:46 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [uvlist] Buddy Blattner TCMA 1942-1946 Cardinals card wanted Hello Linda, Here is some info on Blattner (warning this reads is like a small novel): It seems that Robert "Bud" Blattner was quite an athlete in his youth as he attained world wide status in table tennis during the depression. The Aug. 31, 128-entry Cleveland Great Lakes Open that started the United States Table Tennis Associations '34-35 season marked the first appearance in Topics of Robert "Bud" Blattner (who'd come east that summer with two of his teenage St. Louis buddies, Garrett Nash and Bill Price, players also destined for table tennis stardom). This Great Lakes tournament was unique in that it was held outside, before 1,000 spectators, on 40-50 tables set up at the Euclid Beach Amusement park. Ervin Brody, a Hungarian who'd soon be befriending our U.S. Teams abroad, tells us of the famous open-air Pollak table tennis parlor in Budapest where the world-class Hungarians of the '20's and '30's played. And our one and only World Singles Champion Ruth Aarons will write why two of those great players--Barna and Bellak--stress the advantages of outdoor play. "It teaches you ball control and though at times it may be very funny and difficult to play in the wind, there is no better training for a player. It teaches quick change of strokes and gives training not possible in any other way." Uh, perhaps. Anyway, if his posted losing scores to 1935 U.S. Team member Sol Schiff are (-19, -29, -19) correct, young Blattner already had a keen sense for which way the wind would blow. This Bud would blossom. In less than two years, his photo, his name in headlines, would be on the cover of Topics as World Doubles Champion with Jimmy McClure. At 13, Blattner had been sneaking into a place called John's Pool Hall in St. Louis. There his "older baseball-playing friends had taught him how to play table tennis on a wooden board on top of a pool table"--which in the basement of my home in Dayton, Ohio, playing with my father in the late 1930's, is how I myself learned to play. Soon, though, Blattner was in the midst of a cluster of center-court players smacking balls in at the 8-table St. Louis Association Headquarters Club on Olive St.--managed by R.G. Blattner, Buddy's father--where $1.25 a month allowed you unlimited playing time. Of course the famous Coleman Clark "Circus"--a Dec. 28, 1934-Jan. 24, 1935 barnstorming Tour of 20 U.S. cities featuring the fabled World Champion Victor Barna and his former World Champion Doubles partner Sandor Glancz--committed to a stop in St. Louis. Barna would rate the players there--Mark Schlude, Dick Tindall, Blattner, Bill Price, Ernie Trobaugh, Edwin Woody, and Leonard Radunsky (runner-up to Robert Bonney in the first U.S. Intercollegiate Championship, held in Chicago in Dec., '34)--as being superior to the Chicago stars. This was an historic appraisal since heretofore only the New Yorkers as a group were considered superior to those in the Windy City. Blattner excited the "Circus" crowd by winning a "one-game exhibition match" from Glancz. Buddy "took an early lead at 9-3...[by] playing a 'soft' game": that is, during one rally, "both players hit the ball back and forth so cautiously and so long that the crowd became amused and roared when Blattner's patience wore out and he slammed a wild shot." The in-depth quality of play among the many near-equal St. Louis players can be seen from the late Jan., 1935 Missouri State Championships held in Kansas City. Defensive star Mark Schlude, loser of an earlier St. Louis tournament to attacker Dick Tindall who'd be on our 1936 U.S. Team to the Prague World's, had successfully defended his Missouri title by beating Tindall in 4 in the final--but only after 16, 19, -28, 18 struggling with Jack Nix, and then just 14, -17, -9, 26, 12 getting by World Doubles Champion-to-be Blattner. During one point in that Schlude-Blattner semi's, the ball was said to have crossed the net "419" times (though who, I wonder, point after point, could be counting?). Bud would later suggest, as an expedite rule, that, after the ball had "crossed the net 25 times, play [should] be stopped and each player awarded a point." This of course was not the modification that the USTTA would finally adopt. So strong were the St. Louis players that all five members of their Mar., 1935 Intercity Team--Schlude (#4), Tindall (#5), Blattner (#6), Price (#8), and Nix (#9)--would be ranked in the U.S. Top 10 for the '34-35 season. However, thanks to Abe Berenbaum's three wins and Sol Schiff's gutsy play, New York was able to beat St. Louis, 5-3, for the newly offered William R. Stewart Intercity Trophy. Sol not only came from 19-18 down in the 3rd to eke out a win over Schlude, but against the 15-year-old hard-hitting Blattner he rallied from down 1-0 and 20-17 in the 2nd to stave off 5 match points, then in the 3rd saved 3 more for a remarkably gritty win. A month later, however, at the Chicago National's, Blattner had a stunningly easy (12, 13, 10) time with Defending Champion Schiff. After which Buddy barely escaped Ohio's best, Jack Boksenbom, deuce in the 5th, then in another (-16, 15, 19, -21, -14) nail-biter, dropped a tense semi's match to Schlude, who would go on to lose an interminable 5-game final and the title to Berenbaum. Partnered with Nix in the Men's Doubles, Buddy would again come up with nichts on being beaten in another unhappy semi's match, 23-21 in the 5th, by the surprising team of Tindall and Coleman Clark. The two most important tournaments Reginald Hammond's Ranking Committee would consider in picking the U.S. Men's Team to the Mar., '36 Prague World's were the Chicago Intercities the first week of January and the American Zone Qualifier in Washington, D.C. four weeks later. Unfortunately, at the Intercities Bud got off to a bad start, for at a Friday night dinner at former USTTA President Bill Stewart's house, he suffered food poisoning. He was still feeling the effects of that when he was upset (19, -21, -15) by Chicago's Herbert "Chubby" Aronson, who often enjoyed hitting the ball with two hands on the racket. The wildly exciting final between the undefeated New York and St. Louis teams (New York listeners could hear at least some of this tie broadcast over WEAF by sports announcer Hal Totten) began with Buddy, up 1-0 but down 17-8 in the second to Lou Pagliaro, then rallying to win at deuce two straight. With St. Louis leading 2-1, a turning point in the tie came when Schiff just got by Blattner, 19 in the 3rd. This swing match contributed greatly to New York's eventual 5-3 victory. George "Gus" Sempeles, '36 Maryland Champ, told me this was one of those rare times when Sol was able to get the better of fellow attacker Blattner. Ordinarily Sol couldn't take the offense, for Bud's shorter strokes allowed him to keep the table. Though this was Blattner's fourth loss at this for him ptomaine tournament, he had been playing well--had won the St. Louis District over Tindall and Price--and would continue playing well, would win the Missouri State over Tindall. So, were he to distinguish himself in the upcoming American Zone tournament, the Ranking Committee would be inclined to consider that poor Bud had been somewhat indisposed, not quite himself here in Chicago, and was still very much in the running for a spot on the U.S. World Team. Indeed, when a month later, McClure, Schiff, Tindall, and Blattner were the semifinalists at the American Zone, Ranking Chair Hammond could have declared, as he was soon about to, that there could be "no other candidates" for the U.S. Men's Team. The winner of this Zonal Qualifier (one didn't have to be a U.S. citizen to play, just a U.S. resident) would be designated by the USTTA as this season's "U.S. [Closed] Champion," while the winner of the National's--open supposedly for the first time in Melting Pot History to "foreigners" (though had any U.S. residency requirement ever been established or enforced in any U.S. Open before?)--would be called the U.S. [Open] International Champion." Again, poor bruised Blattner (9, -16, 20, -20, -19) lost his high-wire, end-of-the-show balance--this time to McClure, who on being bested by Schiff in the final wasn't able to take advantage of this unique chance to be National Champion in a year the U.S. Open would be played elsewhere. On Feb. 26, 1936 the U.S. Team left for the Prague World's--but without a stunned Schiff who at the last minute had been suspended by President Zeisberg for signing a contract with Parker Brothers. Observing a pre-World's warm-up match against the English at Paddington Baths, London--which the U.S. lost 6-3--English table tennis aficionado M. A. Symons said that Blattner's "forehand was a treat to watch," especially "his final hit to the backhand corner." But Hyman Lurie's backhand was just too strong and Bud lost to him in 3. However, two of the three U.S. points were scored by Blattner and his partner in doubles. Bud won with Tindall, and with Jessie "Jay" Purves in a Mixed match. And perhaps this augured well for his Doubles play at the upcoming World's. After Paddington, there followed on Mar. 5, 6, 7 three matches, all U.S. wins, with the French--in Paris (5-4), in Bruay-en-Artois (7-2), and in Mulhouse (6-1). The most dramatic of these, "before a packed house of over 1,200," including half a dozen dignitaries, was the one the U.S. men won over France's Swaythling Cup Team, 5-4. Here's Team Captain Sidney Biddell's Topics write-up: "McClure and Blattner decisively beat [Michel] Haguenauer, French Champion, who, in the English [Open] championships last month, had given Barna his first defeat in more than two years....[Tindall, too, almost beat Haguenauer, lost 17, -20, -21]. With the score 4-4, amid wild demonstrations from the crowd, who sensed in our play the chance for an upset, Blattner played magnificently to beat France's No. 2, the colored [Charles] Dubouille, who starred for France, 2 straight, with a blazing attack that never faltered from its set purpose of blasting his opponent off the table. I was so darn excited I nearly exploded. What a real boy Bud is!" The Prague World Championships were played at the Lucerna Palace--a 4,000-seat, underground, "bomb-proof" Concert Hall, with "three balconies completely surrounding the playing floor." This was "ideal for center court (one table) play." But "the matches not held in the evening, when an eight-table layout was used, brought about conditions unparalleled in world championship play." Topics describes the chaos: "Unruly crowds at times swarmed onto the playing floor, interrupting matches at will, and soft tables and poor equipment, together with the intense national temperament of the Czech spectators, who cared not how but only that their favorites win, placed a heavy burden on their opponents." In the 14-team Swaythling Cup ties, the U.S. had a 4-2 record in their round-robin bracket, losing to both Czechoslovakia and Austria, the eventual winner, 5-1. On the first day of play, though, when we beat Yugoslavia and England, everyone took notice of our Team and especially Blattner. Bud had confidence builders right off the bat--held firm against the Yugoslavs Weissbacher (-10, 15, 19) and Marinko (-20, 15, 22). Then knocked off the entire English team--Bergl, Haydon, and Lurie. Also, enroute to a very respectable 9-5 showing, Bud, with his hopping sidespin/topspin, beat Austria's Kohn, and, though losing 25-23 in the 3rd to the 1934 German Champion Deisler, had a win over his teammate Ulrich. In the Singles, however, Blattner went down right away, in 4, to Hungary's Sarossy. And in the Mixed Doubles, though he and Jay Purves didn't even make the 1st round, they played memorably, were beaten in a preliminary match, 19 in the 5th, by...the eventual Czech winners, Milos Hamr and Traute Kleinova! As for the Men's Doubles, Bud was all set to team with St. Louis teammate Tindall whose game he knew so well. But just before play was to begin, Team Captain Biddell got Jury approval to pair Blattner with McClure. And this combination clicked, for on beating Hungarians Kelen and Bellak in 5, they found themselves in the semi's. As it turned out, this, the most climactic match of the event, was played on center court the last night of the tournament. Down 2-1 and 19-11 in the 4th against the Hungarian Champion Tibor Hazi and the cocky young partner he was mentor to, Ferenc Soos, Bud and Jimmy seemed to have no chance, but then--with Hazi urging Soos to hit, and Soos refusing to--the steady topspinning Americans won 8 in a row! Then: "...With the score 19-19, the crowd, rooting for the U.S., went mad. Hazy [sic]-Soos scored the next point. Bud and Jimmy deuced the game and a flick from Jimmy nicked the corner to get game point. Soos deuced with a scorcher. Hazy angled a drop shot off the table and Bud put away game point. The deciding game was a battle royal. With the score 17-18 [sic: but really 18-17] McClure's service came up. Hungary had won the first game with finger spin, and now America retaliated. Bud missed a drive to make it 18-18 but put away the sitter that Jimmy's next serve brought. Jimmy's next two serves brought clean misses and the U.S. was in the final." That final--bringing teenagers McClure and Blattner the 1936 World's Men's Doubles Championship--was 11, 7, 9 absurdly anticlimactic. Back home, the Men's Singles winner in the Apr. 2-4, 1936 Philadelphia National's--who would be called not the U.S. [Closed] Champion but the U.S. International Champion--was, as expected, Victor Barna, here on another Tour, this time with the English #1 Adrian Haydon. Haydon, who used an eccentric shovel-grip, and played an all-forehand style, could not get through Abe Berenbaum's stiff-chop defense and afterwards complained about the glossiness of the tables: "[They] have a shiny surface and with 'chop' the resultant skid of the ball makes it hard to time or hit correctly. After one or two such returns the spin on the ball is terrific and in the end one is compelled to play safe. [He also felt that the tables hadn't a heavy enough under-carriage, and that were the tables firmer the ball would bounce higher.]" Perhaps Blattner would agree, for, after downing Johnny Abrahams, 19 in the 4th, and Glancz in the quarter's in straight games, he, too, though up 2-1, couldn't find a way through Berenbaum to the final. However, he did get to the finals of both Doubles, losing the Mixed with Purves to Barna and just crowned World Champion Aarons, but winning the Men's with McClure over Barna and Glancz. This latter match the partisan audience especially enjoyed: "McClure's antics made a hit particularly as he shouted approval [Jimmy would let Bud take the table to hit] or clapped his teammate on the back." At the 1937 Chicago Intercities, Blattner as attacker figured to have an advantage with the new U.S.-initiated, lower 6-inch net. And, though he was beaten by New Yorker Bernie Grimes (12-0) and by the red-hot Michigan Champion Edward Denges (5-6), he did acquit himself well with victories over both Schiff (10-1) and McClure (9-2). So, with a 9-2 record, he solidified his place on the U.S. Team to the Baden (near Vienna) World's, where the ITTF would continue to mandate use of the 6 and 3/4-inch net. In Baden, the unprecedented and ever after unreplicated happened--the U.S. men won the Swaythling Cup (as did the U.S. women the Corbillon Cup). On the second day of play, however, our men had what appeared to be a disastrous 5-4 loss to the Hungarians. Bud did his bit--lost to Barna, but beat Laszlo "Laci" Bellak, 2-1, and Soos, 2-0. It was Soos who killed us, though, with two key wins--over Berenbaum, 24-22 in the 3rd, and over McClure, 19 in the 3rd. Still, we hung in there--avoided a calamitous second loss to Czechoslovakia (10-2) when Schiff won all three and Bud and Jimmy contributed just enough by knocking off Miroslav Hamr (and maybe his hair net?) to give us a 5-4 victory. Bud also finished very well in our last round-robin tie against Poland, winning all three: against Schiff (Schieff, Szieff, and Sziff are variant spellings), the player who gave our Schiff his only Swaythling Cup loss, against Finkelstein, 19 in the 3rd, and against Singles runner-up Ehrlich, deuce in the 3rd. When Austria (9-3) unexpectedly 5-0 annihilated Hungary, a play-off materialized between the U.S. and Hungary. Today, if two teams are tied with 11-1 records, the tie is broken by how the teams fared head-to head. Fortunately for the U.S. the rule was different in 1937. Though earlier Blattner had won two matches against Hungary, this time he lost all three. But still--thanks to Schiff and McClure--the U.S. won the tie, 5 and 1/2 to 3 and 1/2 (the half points having been awarded to both McClure and Soos when their match was stopped for having exceeded the time limit). Any other titles the U.S. could take home? In the Men's Singles, Blattner pulled out a 19-in-the-5th win over the Czech star Adolph Slar, who after the War would win the World's Men's Doubles with Bo Vana. Then he advanced to the quarter's by battering England's Stanley Proffitt. But then he was stopped after a fierce -20, 15, 21, -17, -20 encounter with Soos who certainly at times seemed the strongest of the Hungarians, and who in far-away 1950 would be both the World Men's Singles runner-up and (with Ferenc Sido) the World Men's Doubles Champion. In the Mixed, Bud surprisingly did not mix well with Ruth Aarons who, on again getting to the Women's final, ran into time pressure against Trude Pritzi, saw the match stopped, and the title declared "Vacant." But in the Men's Doubles, Bud and Jimmy as Defending Champions had to be taken seriously, right? Except, before they were to play their first-round match, Bud went shopping and got lost, really lost. Since he wasn't in the Hall at mat ch time, he and Jimmy were defau lted--or almost defaulted. "Please give them 15 minutes more," pleaded Captain Elmer Cinnater....But then no Bud. "Please, 15 minutes more"--this time with Barna interceding for them, despite the fact that the Americans' opponents were Kelen and Nyitray, Victor's fellow Hungarians....But still no Bud. Finally Blattner arrives, too late of course--or is it? Kelen and Nyitray want to play the Americans. Want to practice against these World Champions because after they beat them the Hungarians have what they feel is the more challenging English team of Adrian Haydon and Andy Millar coming up. So, o.k., they play and what happens? Jimmy practices a little fingerspin, and the Hungarians are beaten in 4. In their remaining four matches Jimmy and Bud couldn't have proven themselves more. Haydon/Millar...Kolar/Vana ('36 and '38 World Singles Champions)...Hamr/Pivetz...all forced our boys to 5. They'd been down 2-1 to the English, and 1-1 and at deuce in the 3rd with the Czechs. But their final, -19, -20, 20, 13, 11 come-from-behind win against Richard Bergmann and Helmuth Goebel was the most satisfying one: "At deuce [Jimmy later wrote] we sort of looked at each other and said: 'We either do or don't now.' Bud hit a beautiful cross-court forehand in, to give us the advantage. The next point went back and forth several times before a fairly high one came to my backhand. A lot of things went through my mind before I hit the ball-- and a lot more after I hit it. If you ask Bud, he will probably confess that just as many things went through his mind. The ball went on, though, to win the game, and it proved to be the turning point in the match." McClure of course was noted for his point-winning forehand, but the fact that he could hit that backhand in at just the right moment contributed mightily to their Championship--and gave Bud, on turning 17, the nicest "birthday present" he ever had. At the London (Feb. 10-13) English Open that followed, Blattner was eliminated by Bellak in 4 after losing a 22-20 swing second game. But he and Aarons redeemed their poor showing at the World's by beating McClure and Dolores Kuenz in the final of the Mixed in straight games. To everyone's astonishment, though, Bud and Jimmy were upset by an unheralded English pair--which the eventual winners, Schiff and Berenbaum, took full advantage of. There remained only the Anglo-American international event at Birmingham before the U.S. players, Aarons excepted, sailed for home. Although the U.S. Team won, 7 matches to 2, the English reserves, Hyman Lurie and Ernie Bubley, thrilled the home crowd of 2,000 by upsetting the two-time World Champions McClure and Blattner, 19 in the 3rd. Accompanying our players home for a "Circus" Tour of perhaps 40 cities, and a commitment to play in the Apr. 1-4 Newark, N.J. National's, were 1936 World Champion Standa Kolar of Prague and three-time World Singles runner-up "Laci" Bellak of Budapest. Bellak would be the eventual Men's Singles and Doubles Champion (teaming with Kolar to down McClure and Blattner). Blattner was upset in the quarter's by New York's Lou Pagliaro. By block-returning Bud's serves to his backhand Lou was able to get his powerful forehand going before Bud's--which in this case, USTTA anti-pushing regulations to the contrary, certainly made Louie's trap shot an "offensive" rather than a "defensive" stroke. Blattner, however, paired with Aarons to win the Mixed. The 1938 Intercities were in Blattner's hometown of St. Louis--but this year Bud didn't play for the St. Louis Team. He'd retired, at least temporarily, supposedly to concentrate on his "schoolwork," but really because he was very disappointed he didn't win the Newark National's. However, he did enter the Western's, and though partially inactive he might be, he still wasn't going to lose to a top local player Tom Howle. But the grown up 1935 U.S. Boy's Champion, George Hendry, also from St. Louis, who'd gradually attuned his defensive game to the lower net, was too stro ng here in Kansas City for Bud.. .and everyone else. Blattner also played in the '38 Indianapolis National's--primarily, he said, to take his younger sister Marjory there (who that year would earn a National Ranking). In the Singles he reached the quarter's, where he was beaten by Schiff, 3-0. In the Men's Doubles he did better--but was upset when he and Hendry lost an intense -21, 23, -19, -14 semi's match to Chicagoans Ralph Muchow and Al Nordhem. In the Mixed he did better yet--but he and Dolores Kuenz lost a 4-game final, including a pivotal 23-21 3rd game, to Abrahams and Women's winner Emily Fuller. That December Blattner still cared enough to play in the Missouri State, and was beaten by Bill Price and his steady, floating defense. But by this time the ex-World Doubles Champion wasn't dreaming dreams about table tennis, for he'd already positioned himself as an infielder for the Columbus, Ohio team in the American Association and so was well on his way to making a living as a professional base ball player. By 1942, before his hitch in the navy, he'd moved on to Sacramento, where he "batted in 95 runs for an average of .295, stole 25 bases, and smashed out 17 homers," and then had signed with Branch Rickey as a rookie second baseman for the Cardinals. Robert "Buddy" Blattner had a 5 year career in the Majors. In 1942 he appeared in 23 games for the St. Louis Cardinals. In 1946 he had his most productive season playing 126 games for the New York Giants with a .255 BA and 11 HR's, he played another 55 games in `47 and 8 games in `48 with the Giants. He concluded his Major League baseball career with the Philladelphia Phillies in 1949 with a .247 BA in 65 games. After his playing days he went into broadcasting. Buddy Blattner made a very big impression on basketball fans with his play-by-play work for the St. Louis Hawks professional basketball team, but he had begun his broadcasting career in the late 1940s and did 26 years of baseball broadcasts. He covered the St. Louis Browns and Cardinals, the Kansas City Royals and California Angels. He was a broadcaster for the St. Louis Browns from 1950 to 1953, the St. Louis Cardinals from 1960 to 1961, the Los Angeles Angels/California Angels from 1962 to 1968 and the Kansas City Royals from 1969 to 1975. He was also a television pioneer, having worked in the booth with Dizzy Dean in the early 1950s for the first 8 years of the nation ally televised “Baseball Game of the Week.” He and Dean also paired for radio’s “Game of the Day,” and he did baseball recreations on the Gordon McLendon Radio Network. Blattner was the lead announcer on the first 800 games for the St. Louis Hawks, becoming the first announcer to travel with his team and broadcast home and away games. He was twice elected to the Missouri Sports Hall of Fame and received the St. Louis Browns Historical Society Award for Distinguished Broadcasting in 1989. Robert "Buddy" Blattner can be found on the following cards: 1940 Solons Hughes #4 1947 Tip Top Bread #121 1949 Eureka Stamps #130 1949 Philladelphia Bulletin #6 1975 Johnny Mize #1 1984 TCMA Playball #45 REGARDS ---------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Linda" Thanks to Dave Fallen for the list of 1960's Los Angeles Angels announcer's Buddy Blattner's Cards: 1940 Hughes Frozen Convections Sacramento Solons 1947 Tip Top Bread 1949 Eureka Stamps 1949 Philadelphia Bulletin 1983 TCMA 1942-1946 St. Louis Cardinals 1984 TCMA 1946 Playball I have the 1984 TCMA Play Ball.I would expect his cards from the 1940's to be expensive and rare cards but the 1983 TCMA card listed above ( 1942-1946 St. Louis Cardinals) is a modern inexpensive card i don't I would like to request that card if any member has one i would greatly appreciate it- thanks, Linda ================= To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 08:15:55 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Extra airmiles?? OBCers -- I was at Ramstein Air Force Base in Germany a few weeks ago and couldn't help but notice the C-17s arriving every so often with injured soldiers on board. Ramstein is the big hospital in Europe where they all end up for recovery or eventual transport back home. It's located near Frankfurt if you are familiar with Germany. The number of disfiguring injuries due to roadside bombs is depressing. Anyway, I saw a charity that I thought was worth mentioning called Fisher House. They have a program that collects up unwanted frequent flier miles and donates them to families in the US to go see their sons and daughters in the hospital in Germany. If you are like me, you probably have some miles on airlines that you don't use that often and probably will just go to waste. If you do, you can go to www.fisherhouse.org and donate them. I tried to get to it today, but the site was down. I did a search and found a link to Northwest Airlines for donating; http://www.nwa.com/features/FisherHouse.html - maybe other airlines have similar pages (or just wait until the other one comes back up). Sorry if you think this post is off topic and doesn't belong here, but I thought it was worth it. Now back to your regularly scheduled Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 11:00:59 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: More news on the website and wantlist editing Geno mentioned he's looking like a blob. No, wait, his want list looks like a blob. (That's a joke, because if you've ever met Geno, he's got like 0.8% body fat and he's all military muscle.) I fixed a problem with the way the wantlist editor handles the HTML line-break tag "
". If you want to force a line break, you can simply hit the Enter key to make a new line, or you can insert the "
" tag itself. In fact, if you're familiar with some of these HTML formatting tags, you can use them in your want list for nice effects: (stuff) puts the stuff in italics, (stuff) puts the stuff in bold font, (stuff) underlines the stuff, Geno's want list was restored to the previous condition thanks to a very handy feature I built in: this want list editor maintains your current want list, and it also saves three previous versions of your want list. So, if anything goes wrong or you accidentally mess up a large part of your want list, there's a good chance we can quickly recover it for you. T.J. Valacek mentioned that the editor didn't seem to work, but he solved the problem himself by realizing that he had his wantlist located at http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacek.htm. Until we get our technical problems ironed out with the new web service provider, the wantlist files will be located at http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/(your file name).htm. If you can link to your wantlist through the OBC directory, that'll be the one that is updatable. Larry Gersbach is also right on the ball, he noticed that his wantlist was asking for my password instead of his password for some reason. That reason probably had something to do with the glass of wine I drank last night. I tracked that problem down and fixed it - it also indicated the same problem with four other want lists, which are now all fixed. Thanks for all your help nailing these problems down! ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:50:12 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: Super Bowl Pool! the 2007 cardboard total is now 2nd best all time! We still have about 150 to go to catch up to the 2001 total of over 500 cards. Mark Talbot, do you remember what the bulk of those 324+ hits were? :) Go OBC! Pool website is at http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htm ================= To: Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:56:51 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Reinstatement for the Friar OBCers -- As per the ROC, I'd like to announce Bob Corvello, the Old Friar, has reapplied for active duty! The AC is considering his request, so voice your opinion if you have one... Take Care, Geno ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:09:58 GMT To: JJenkins@nwsd.org, From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: ebay link Hi, here's the link to my eBay store. Feel free to refer customers or items to sell. http://stores.ebay.com/Judgeguys-Store ================= To: , Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:51:30 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] More news on the website and wantlist editing Wayne has obviously been watching too many Sly Stallone movies and mixing me up with him... ----- Original Message ----- From: Wayne Delia To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:00 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] More news on the website and wantlist editing Geno mentioned he's looking like a blob. No, wait, his want list looks like a blob. (That's a joke, because if you've ever met Geno, he's got like 0.8% body fat and he's all military muscle.) I fixed a problem with the way the wantlist editor handles the HTML line-break tag "
". If you want to force a line break, you can simply hit the Enter key to make a new line, or you can insert the "
" tag itself. In fact, if you're familiar with some of these HTML formatting tags, you can use them in your want list for nice effects: (stuff) puts the stuff in italics, (stuff) puts the stuff in bold font, (stuff) underlines the stuff, Geno's want list was restored to the previous condition thanks to a very handy feature I built in: this want list editor maintains your current want list, and it also saves three previous versions of your want list. So, if anything goes wrong or you accidentally mess up a large part of your want list, there's a good chance we can quickly recover it for you. T.J. Valacek mentioned that the editor didn't seem to work, but he solved the problem himself by realizing that he had his wantlist located at http://www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/valacek.htm. Until we get our technical problems ironed out with the new web service provider, the wantlist files will be located at http://www.deliafamily.net/www.oldbaseball.com/wantlists/(your file name).htm. If you can link to your wantlist through the OBC directory, that'll be the one that is updatable. Larry Gersbach is also right on the ball, he noticed that his wantlist was asking for my password instead of his password for some reason. That reason probably had something to do with the glass of wine I drank last night. I tracked that problem down and fixed it - it also indicated the same problem with four other want lists, which are now all fixed. Thanks for all your help nailing these problems down! ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 16:16:14 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: Strike Update Hi gang, For those that might be interested, the union has agreed to hold off on any strike until Thursday. Talks were suspended until Tuesday, because of President's Day. Somewhat ironically, that is a holiday we no longer get paid for, due to concessions made several years ago. I guess management and our fine union reps still get to observe it though - doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy. The meeting this afternoon was still held to get a vote on whether to strike. I'll have to assume we joined the other four UFCW locals, but I didn't attend the meeting. I opted to play my regular Sunday morning hoop game instead. I'll know what went on after tonight from one of my coworkers, but I expect I missed a real snoozathon like the previous meetings I've attended. The rumor is that management has pulled whatever offer they had off the table, but the two sides hadn't made much progress on the issues of health care, wages or benefits anyway. Thanks to those of you who have offered their support so far. Looks like I'll be working until at least Thursday (under the old contract) though. Well, except for Tuesday night - I'm still taking my regular night off. I'll start digging through those availables on Wednesday, so if you haven't made a claim yet, there's still plenty of time to get one in. They're all still up for grabs. TAYL, Ken M ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 21:18:00 GMT To: judgeguy@juno.com From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: oops, sorry Hey, sorry about sending that ebay message, hit the wrong block in the address book, didnt mean to send it to all of you. ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 22:03:44 +0000 From: dodgergeo@comcast.net Subject: Pac NW chapter I'll be driving up to Astoria to see my dad & sister. I'm tentatively planning to head out tomorrow night - I don't think I'll make it straight through (12-hour drive, or thereabouts), so I'll most likely arrive in Astoria Tuesday afternoon/evening. I'd like to drive up into Washington and see if I can meet up with anyone available. Looks like it's about a 180 mile trip, so that won't be much trouble. LMK - dinner's on me! ================= To: Sean McGowan , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 00:51:11 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Super Bowl Pool! I'm a bit of a "pack rat" Sean and I happened upon a 2001 Want List. At that time I still had a number of `70's Baseball sets that were wide open and I had just added Football and Basketball sets to my want-list. My guess is that with the abundance of dupes I now have from the 70's that many hits were made there and I'm sure that the then newly posted Football sets took a beating. Today I'm hard pressed to get a baseball card I need, the football list keeps getting shorter and only the more recent addition of Hockey sets still makes my list relatively "hitable". My collection has certainly come a long way in 6 years Sean, kind of fun to think back when hitting my list was easier for all. Well at least there's more than just T-202's on my list, unlike some collecting friends I know (GENO)!!! I had no idea that I was some sort of record holder Sean, but I can tell you that it was a great deal of fun going to the mailbox each day following the SB in 2001. I know that Kevin, Ken, Neal and Steve are having a good time as well this year. Let's get those "pay-offs" to the winners fellas, we need to keep 'em smilin' -- BE WELL!!! REGARDS -------------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: Sean McGowan the 2007 cardboard total is now 2nd best all time! We still have about 150 to go to catch up to the 2001 total of over 500 cards. Mark Talbot, do you remember what the bulk of those 324+ hits were? :) Go OBC! Pool website is at http://home.comcast.net/~seankatie/pool-07.htm ================= Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:56:22 EST To: Biggies@aol.com, OCTraders@yahoogroups.com, From: mikesportsfan@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Saw a great program today, you should see it I would like to confirm the report on the Doby documentary. I saw it also and thoroughly enjoyed it. Mike Rich ================= To: "OBC Ramblings" Date: Sun, 18 Feb 2007 20:44:10 -0500 From: "Matthew Heilenman" Subject: Going Inactive Hello all, I am not sure who I need to contact or what i need to do here soI am just throwing this out to the group. unfortunately, I have to go inactive. I havn't had the time for about a year to keep up with OBC and so , it is best at this point to go inactive. I have really enjoyed the past 4+ years that I have been in OBC and maybe I can come back after awhile. Thank you to all who have sent me cards and all those that I have met that make card collecting the greatest hobby in the world. Matt Heilenman ================= Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 03:21:57 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: Lists will be changing as soon as I get my password (again) I will be updating the lists yet again. Thanks to recent contributions and a checklist from Erik Greenwood, the T-220 Boxing set is going from a HAVE to a NEED list as I now have 26 of 50. Earlier this year the 1938 Churchmans Boxing went from a HAVE to a NEED list also thanks to major hits BY Ant. So those lists are getting knocked out - so to speak. At the risk of violating our UV policy my Caps, Coins, Pins list contains a bunch of Slurpee coins, which have been hit hard recently. Unfortunately I found out about a few more Slurpee Coin sets I had not yet listed, so it is almost a wash. Still an easy area to hit. Meanwhile, I have been stirring up a bunch of trade action with people in VCT, even though I have never been a member of that group. Hope those of you in both OBC & VCT do not mind my using you as a refernece without asking first. Recent Bowman incomings, combined with recent hits from Jim Moleta helped me pass a few milestones recently. For the last few years my worst Bowman/Topps collection was 1949 Bowman. Well that list is finally shorter than the 1952 Topps as it shrinks to 4 dozen and the 52 Topps remains at 50. Meanwhile, the 1950 Bowman is down to 1 dozen, including 4 commons. These are for base sets. I am not nearly as far along as Ken Morganti on the variations in these sets. One of my collecting goals this year was to reduce my UV list to under 100 sets (was around 115). I recently finished off a few sets, such as Dormans Cheese Panels, 1997 Pinnacle & 1993 Kellogg's College Greats Postercards, so it is possible. Still tons of easy hits to that area. I may try and add yet another link to my lists for my complete sets. I need help keeping track, especially on UV issues, although I generally do not pursue these. Opening Day just 6 weeks away, I am getting the bug. Mike Rich ================= To: Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 06:31:33 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] oops, sorry Gee, and nobody got pissed in the 13 minutes that it took you to apologize!What's this club coming to!?!?!?! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Saxton To: judgeguy@juno.com Cc: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:18 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] oops, sorry Hey, sorry about sending that ebay message, hit the wrong block in the address book, didnt mean to send it to all of you. ================= Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 21:07:17 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Yahoo Fantasy Baseball Last Call for Yahoo Fantasy Baseball. The Draft is Friday at 7:00, but you can use a pre-set list if you can't make the live draft. We currently have 13 teams. League max is 20, which would be great, as I don't like the usual all-star effect of 12 team leagues. Anyway, we need an even number so one team doesn't have a bye every week. Friends, co-workers, sons, daughters, whomever. Jump in if you're interested. Otherwise, I'll toss in a 14th team for my wife and close up membership at 14, probably on Thursday night. League ID# is 42133 and the Password is obc ================= To: "vct" , Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 20:29:36 -0500 From: "ant" Subject: Off cooking in caemel,ca I am helping out this week cooking at the 21st masters of food & wine. Foodfirst..then I got all 11 trades out for the 61 quest so hang tight. Anyone in the hood feel free to call cell 718 594 -0830 will be busy most of the time but you never know. I remeber one card shop out that way Anthony Arbeeny ================= Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2007 19:27:12 -0800 To: dodgergeo@comcast.net, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Pac NW chapter I'm in Vancouver WA now, just across from Portland. I was in Astoria the week before last...with some time in the evenings alone...wouldn't you know it! We are moving up here as a family soon, we just sold our house. It's been a long 7 months separated with them down in Florence. I'll be here in my very crummy apartment all this week after work if you think you might be nearby. my cell phone is 360 597 6669 Gimme a call if you get this message, although as I recall, the last time I saw you, you bought dinner so it's my turn !! OBC Forever ---- dodgergeo@comcast.net wrote: > I'll be driving up to Astoria to see my dad & sister. I'm tentatively planning to head out tomorrow night - I don't think I'll make it straight through (12-hour drive, or thereabouts), so I'll most likely arrive in Astoria Tuesday afternoon/evening. I'd like to drive up into Washington and see if I can meet up with anyone available. Looks like it's about a 180 mile trip, so that won't be much trouble. LMK - dinner's on me! > Geordie ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:03:39 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: back up and running, and two additions Hi all, After making a mess of my want list by trying to rid all the
and other computer lingos, I started from scratch redoing the whole want list. It's back up now, and I added two small sets to the list that could be easily hit: the 1965 Topps Embossed set (a one card type set, Richie Allen, courtesy of Fireman Rob Gioia currently), and the 1976 Topps traded set that needs 11 hits to finish it off. Big thanks to Wayne Delia and all the technical team who got us back up and running again! Happy Mardi Gras to you all, Father Pat PS--it is fairly crowded, and relatively safe, in New Orleans right now for the tourists who are here for Carnival. Just to let you all know. The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to see yours: $0 by Experian. http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=660600&bcd=EMAILFOOTERAVERAGE ================= To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 00:23:05 -0600 From: "Fr. Patrick Wattigny" Subject: an interesting site for us Good morning all! I'm sure some of you know about it already, but the website www.philadelphiaatletics.org is a very interesting page with good stories and histories on the old Mackmen. I made a contribution to their necrology from an obituary here in the Times-Picayune of Buddy Hancken, who played in one game for Mr. Mack in 1940, but worked for the Astros in many capacities for 30 years. For those of you who were/are fans of the White Elephants, Father Pat Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms http://www.NexTag.com ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 06:12:14 -0600 To: Chuck Paris From: Yaz Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] oops, sorry That's funny. It took me 13 minutes to go though all the stuff he had for sale at the ebay store site. Greg (yaz) Chuck Paris wrote: > Gee, and nobody got pissed in the 13 minutes that it took you to > apologize! What's this club coming to!?!?!?! > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Bob Saxton > *To:* judgeguy@juno.com > *Cc:* OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > *Sent:* Sunday, February 18, 2007 4:18 PM > *Subject:* [OBC-Ramblings] oops, sorry > Hey, sorry about sending that ebay message, hit the wrong block in the > address book, didnt mean to send it to all of you. > Bob ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 08:45:09 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: exhibits info does anyone know anything about exhibits? I have a bunch of these with big band leadersdorsey, miller welk and so on. need info on value and how many in the set. thanks for any help, kit okamuro ================= To: Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 09:26:18 -0800 From: "KIT OKAMURO" Subject: hockey story booklets I need 5, 14 and 24 to finish the set off. any help greatly appreciated. thanks , kit okamuro ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 21:10:54 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jmoleta30341" Subject: DC next week I'll be in DC for about 30 hours next Tuesday and Wednesday - does anyone in the area have open plans Tuesday night (2/27) who might want to catch up over cardboard and some grub? Please let me know - thanks! ================= Date: Tue, 20 Feb 2007 16:11:18 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wayne Delia Subject: www.oldbaseball.com website should be completely functional again I heard back from the tech support people at Network Solutions and they solved the connection problem. Our programs are now talking to our database, so we should be good to go. I've moved all of the updated want list files and database updates off of my temporary solution on www.deliafamily.net over to our new permanent home at www.oldbaseball.com. As usual, there will probably be a few minor glitches in any major move or architecture change, but now that the technical issues are resolved with the main web site, everything should be smooth sailing from here on Wayne Delia, wayne@deliafamily.net Delta Iota Chapter Advisor, Phi Kappa Sigma at Marist College Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die. ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 00:01:03 GMT To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Bob Saxton" Subject: baseball books Couple of baseball books free to whoever wants them: The Toughest Job in Baseball (What Managers Do, How They Do It, and Why It Gives Them Ulcers), by Peter Pascarelli The Man Who Invented Baseball (No, It Wasn't Abner Doubleday), by Harold Peterson Keep a smile on... ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 03:01:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Chris Stufflestreet" Subject: My first E92 A puffy envelope showed up in the mail today. I got that tinge of excitement that usually goes along with getting an unexpected OBC package...but it turned out to be addressed to my wife. But the thrill returned when Ellen opened it up and set it down on the screen of my laptop...an E92 Dockman (my first E92 of any stripe)! It's a horizontal image and a card any OBCer would be proud to add to his (or her) collection. Here's the eBay auction where she won it: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ih016&sspagenameSTRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&viewitem&item260085062092&rd1&rd Although she is still fighting all plans to go to Cleveland this summer...I still love the belated Valentine's Day gift! Take care, ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:23:47 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: dsh46@aol.com Subject: Exhibits Here is a great Exhibits site: _http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/interestingexhibitcards_ (http://imageevent.com/exhibitman/interestingexhibitcards) By the way, if anyone has Canadian exhibits from 1953 for sale or trade, I am collecting the Royals and Dodgers from that set. I only have about 3 or 4 at the moment but these are really neat and come in different color tints.


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Check out free AOL at http://free.aol.com/thenewaol/index.adp. Most comprehensive set of free safety and security tools, millions of free high-quality videos from across the web, free AOL Mail and much more. ================= To: Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 13:56:35 -0800 From: "Grant" Subject: Hall of Mediocrity....2 new inductees.... Brian Betza nominated =93Pistol Pete=94 Reiser, who won the N.L. Batting title in =9241 as a raw rookie=85..great bio included Brian, thanks! Tom Housley put Davey Concepcion of The Big Red Machine forward, truly an under-appreciated member of one of the great dynasties. Bios and card pics for both are available on the =93OBC Specials=94 page=85=85. Welcome both Davey and Pete, to the second greatest shrine in baseball, and thanks as always to Wayne Delia for his support in doing the No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/694 - Release Date: ================= Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2007 22:58:26 EST To: DSH46@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Exhibits Dave and all, Adam certainly knows his stuff. He lives fairly close to my old home and I see him at shows often. He wrote the book (literally) on boxing cards as well. In addition to being a great guy, he is a lawyer who has done some interesting work against, yes against, grading companies (specifically PSA). Adam's site is a great resource.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 10:10:35 EST To: OBC-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: cardclctor@aol.com Subject: (Non)Strike News Hi gang, Went into work last night wearing an extra pair of socks and some warm clothes in case my shift ended up outside picketing in the snow. The negotiations aren't going to quickly and the news report said we could walk off the job as early as midnight. Fortunately, the company asked for another extension and it looks like I'll be working through most of next week... unless the union reps get fed up and talks break down completely. There seems to be some light at the end of the tunnel however. I think the company standing to lose tens of millions of dollars every day we're not working is keeping them up at night. The rumor is that they've fired the hired gun they had negotiating too - the one who was responsible for a 26-week dispute out in CA. I don't like the fact that I could be asked to walk off the job at any minute hanging over my head though. For now though, I guess no news is good news. Hopefully they'll get things hammered out and I won't have to worry for another three or four years. I'm going to get those availables out today or tomorrow. Thanks for reading. TAYL, Ken M AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 18:18:06 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: catfish? the emails i have sent to catfish parker at _catfishparker72@earthlink.net_ (mailto:catfishparker72@earthlink.net) are coming back to me. can someone give me a good email address for him his address, as well as shawn adkins need to be changed on the obc directory page. i am not sure about the password protected address list, but i think adkins is right on that one. parker is wrong on both. everyone should make sure that their email address is consistent and correct in both places. tnx, gm


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= To: "Rick Johnson" , OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 23:25:50 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Danny Frisella Frisella died in a dune buggy accident on a county road outside of Phoenix AZ in early 1977. Not a pleasant memory. REGARDS ------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Rick Johnson" T.J. Valacak sends 3 great cards my direction and they are greatly appreciated. First is a clean 1955 Bowman of Tom Brewer. The second card is a nearly perfect 1970 Kellogg's card of Jim Wynn. Finally he sends a 1975 Topps Mini of Danny Frisella. I still remember as a kid hearing that Danny Frisella had died. If anyone remembers how he died let me know and I will try to return a correct answer with some Rick Johnson ================= To: "Andy Blackwood" , Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 10:11:44 -0700 From: "Walker" Subject: re: VCT / OBC rambles - - - Going Postal I don't know how much I'm "on board" about this, and I'll certainly admit that I don't like it, but I also have to admit to having envelopes that contained the plastic "hard card" toploaders, ripped, torn, ruined, and fortunately sometimes rejected and returned to me, because the USPS sorting machines somehow find reason to single them out and destroy them in their mechanical Do we have any USPS employees, contractors, or even part time, season employees or contractors among us to verify and give the real deal + / or scoop on the who, what, when, where and why? Since push comes to shove and I don't care to fight or see anyone "go postal" on us, I'm choosing to comply. I haven't always complied though. However, while I have still occasionally sent a regular, plain "white envelope" with a card or two inside of one of the top-loader / hard cards, I think it's time to stop. I am reading enough notes like these from others, and I have had more than enough of my own of those hard card mailings, pretty muchripped to *ell, and all of them ( I think all of them were. ) rejected and returned to me, that I think it is time to take notice, heed the warnings, and stop. If we all have to pay more for puffies, I'm not at all happy about it, but I'm in. I have also yet to read about or experience any trouble with stacking a small lot of cards inside of a standard business envelope, inside a single strip or even the entire folded page of one of the soft plastic, UVC nine card page holders. Any other comments on those? They could be a safe, more economical alternative to the puffy, for mailings of thirty or fortycards or less. Just be careful when you're trying to stuff them in, or pull them out, of the sleeves! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Blackwood To: Taylor Schock ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [VCT] [Old Card Traders] RE: envelope arrived empty Hi folks, The postal service doesn't want us to use regular plain white envelopes to send things like baseball cards, especially if they're in rigid plastic holders. They get caught in the sorting machines and this can ruin the cards. I always use bubble mailers. It's a little more expensive, but if it's worth investing my time and the postage, I figure it's worth an extra quarter or so to make sure that the cards reach their destination intact. Andy B -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 18:12:27 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "b_betza" Subject: 72 FB checklist #15...mystery solved--i think OK it's taken a while... I found a reference book at the library that has the history of every number for every team.... Gary Lane wore #15 for the Giants in 1968 as a QB .... time frame would work for him to be on the '70 checklist as well so I would bet it's him... Now I can get back to normal life until the next mystery arrives !! Brian Betza --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "b_betza" wrote: > Upon further review....it's not Blanchard... the SAME picture is > the 1970 Checklist #132 as well..... looks like Blanchard was > in 1971 so this can't be him...... Thanks for giving me a new > obsession Ed!!!!! Morrall was #11--Tarkenton was #10 who the heck > this??? > Brian (I'm not #15 are you?) Betza > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > wrote: > > > > pretty sure its Tom Blanchard > > thanks guys > > ED > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Bob Reed > > To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 10:30 PM > > Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football > > > > > > I think Morrall wore number 11 for the Giants. At least he > in the 1966 card I have off him. I do think the picture is from > 60's though. > > > > I'm not sure when the Giants wore their numbers on the > Here is a list of their QB's from 1966 to 1971 with some numbers > I was able to track down on the Internet although not all of the > numbers were when they were on the Giants. This website > (http://www.footballcardgallery.com/) was very helpful. > > > > 18 Tom Kennedy 1966 > > 11 Earl Morrall 1966-67 > > 19 Gary Wood 1966, 1968-69 > > 10 Fran Tarkenton 1967-71 > > 16 Gary Lane 1968 > > 16 Milt Plum 1969 > > 11 Dick Shiner 1970 > > 11 Randy Johnson 1971 > > > > FWIW Tom Blanchard was 1 for 1 throwing the ball in 1971. > > Anybody got a copy of the 1964 Giants team card from the > Philadelphia set? There is a #15 in the front row. > > > > -Bob > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > -------- > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com; b_betza@ > > From: jimbo7777777@ > > Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 04:20:35 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football > > > > > > I thought it was Earl Morrall. Would they use that old a > picture on a checklist? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: b_betza > > To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:20 AM > > Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Re: ?????? 72 football > > > > > > Ed, > > > > My guess would be Punter Tom Blanchard. He was # 15 for > Giants > > on his 1973 Topps card (couldn't find an earlier issue-nor > regular > > issue in '72).. and he was on the '71 Giants team (which > would have > > resulted in the '72 card)and I would guess punters would > the > > same #.... Not sure why anyone would feature a punter on a > card-or > > why the punter would appear to be throwing!!!.. > > > > Brian Betza > > > > --- In OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com, "Ed Schott" > > wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know who the Giants player wearing # 15 is , > the 72 > > football checklist - card # 29 > > > Ive asked a dozen so called experts and no one knows for > sure > > > thanks > > > > > > ED > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > ---------- > > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, > more. Check it out! > > ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:52:51 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "jimbo777777" Subject: Attention, 1960 Leaf Collectors! Get those waiver wire flags out! I picked up a lot of nine Leaf high numbers last week on ebay, they came in this morning. Of the nine, five I needed, and two were Which means, of course, that I have four orphans looking for a good #83 Bob Shaw: creased, Kansas City A's written in ink next to his name. #104 Jim Woods: creased and stained, but presentable #122 Earl Torgeson: VG #142 Gino Cimoli: VG Anybody want to give these guys a good home? Reply ASAP with your mailing address, as I'm headed out to Florida for two weeks of spring training on Weds evening! ================= To: "'Walker'" , Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:12:25 -0600 From: "Shawn Adkins" Subject: RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: VCT / OBC rambles - - - Going Postal I believe that the USPS has a 12 cent charge for the "non-machinable" option. This is an extra fee that can be used to avoid your white envelope (or other package) going through those sorting machines which causes this problem. It's a little cheaper than using a puffy and still enables you to use a regular ol' envelope. Just my 2 cents, food for thought. J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Walker Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:12 AM To: Andy Blackwood; Taylor Schock; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] re: VCT / OBC rambles - - - Going Postal I don't know how much I'm "on board" about this, and I'll certainly admit that I don't like it, but I also have to admit to having envelopes that contained the plastic "hard card" toploaders, ripped, torn, ruined, and fortunately sometimes rejected and returned to me, because the USPS sorting machines somehow find reason to single them out and destroy them in their mechanical processes. Do we have any USPS employees, contractors, or even part time, season employees or contractors among us to verify and give the real deal + / or scoop on the who, what, when, where and why? Since push comes to shove and I don't care to fight or see anyone "go postal" on us, I'm choosing to comply. I haven't always complied though. However, while I have still occasionally sent a regular, plain "white envelope" with a card or two inside of one of the top-loader / hard cards, I think it's time to stop. I am reading enough notes like these from others, and I have had more than enough of my own of those hard card mailings, pretty much ripped to *ell, and all of them ( I think all of them were. ) rejected and returned to me, that I think it is time to take notice, heed the warnings, and stop. If we all have to pay more for puffies, I'm not at all happy about it, but I'm in. I have also yet to read about or experience any trouble with stacking a small lot of cards inside of a standard business envelope, inside a single strip or even the entire folded page of one of the soft plastic, UVC nine card page holders. Any other comments on those? They could be a safe, more economical alternative to the puffy, for mailings of thirty or forty cards or less. Just be careful when you're trying to stuff them in, or pull them out, of the sleeves! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Blackwood To: Taylor Schock ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [VCT] [Old Card Traders] RE: envelope arrived empty Hi folks, The postal service doesn't want us to use regular plain white envelopes to send things like baseball cards, especially if they're in rigid plastic holders. They get caught in the sorting machines and this can ruin the cards. I always use bubble mailers. It's a little more expensive, but if it's worth investing my time and the postage, I figure it's worth an extra quarter or so to make sure that the cards reach their destination intact. Andy B -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 19:53:32 -0500 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Sean McGowan Subject: 12-pocket pages I need 50 12 pocket pages... anyone want to split a box? ================= Date: Sat, 24 Feb 2007 21:51:36 EST To: shawn.adkins@showmesavants.com, wguthrie@axint.net, From: LUURSCJG@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] re: VCT / OBC rambles - - - Going Postal I've told them that there a plastic holder inside which catches in their machine. Clerks thank me a say they will take care of it. Never been charged extra or heard that you guys didn't receive it intact.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= To: "Walker" , "Andy Blackwood" , "Taylor Schock" , , , Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 09:35:59 +0000 From: talbot1@comcast.net Subject: Re: [VCT] VCT / OBC rambles - - - Going Postal Hello All, I have very rarely had troubles sending out cardboard in plain white envelopes. The postal tellers are always happy to hand cancel anything I want them to, but of course that requires a trip to the post office. Walker mentions the 3 pocket cut outs that fit very well into a standard #10 envelope, many of you have received these from me. I have never had a problem with these except once when a trader complained that "stuffing" too many in the sleeves compromised the condition of the cards. Well most of the stuff in my dupe box does not need any special treatment in shipping to guarantee its condition. Also, someone mentioned a surcharge that is assessed to postal items. This 12 cent surcharge only applies to items that are under an ounce and are either too thick or of irregular shape. It is not true that postal clerks charge you this to "hand cancel" an item. I still use puffies to mail larger groups of cards (5 went out today) but those always require a trip to the post office and I can't always do that. Just my 2 cents and experience with this subject. BE WELL!!!! REGARDS ----------------- MARK -------------- Original message -------------- From: "Walker" I don't know how much I'm "on board" about this, and I'll certainly admit that I don't like it, but I also have to admit to having envelopes that contained the plastic "hard card" toploaders, ripped, torn, ruined, and fortunately sometimes rejected and returned to me, because the USPS sorting machines somehow find reason to single them out and destroy them in their mechanical processes. Do we have any USPS employees, contractors, or even part time, season employees or contractors among us to verify and give the real deal + / or scoop on the who, what, when, where and why? Since push comes to shove and I don't care to fight or see anyone "go postal" on us, I'm choosing to comply. I haven't always complied though. However, while I have still occasionally sent a regular, plain "white envelope" with a card or two inside of one of the top-loader / hard cards, I think it's time to stop. I am reading enough notes like these from others, and I have had more than enough of my own of those hard card mailings, pretty much ripped to *ell, and all of them ( I think all of them were. ) rejected and returned to me, that I think it is time to take notice, heed the warnings, and stop. If we all have to pay more for puffies, I'm not at all happy about it, but I'm in. I have also yet to read about or experience any trouble with stacking a small lot of cards inside of a standard business envelope, inside a single strip or even the entire folded page of one of the soft plastic, UVC nine card page holders. Any other comments on those? They could be a safe, more economical alternative to the puffy, for mailings of thirty or forty cards or less. Just be careful when you're trying to stuff them in, or pull them out, of the sleeves! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Blackwood To: Taylor Schock ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:35 AM Subject: Re: [VCT] [Old Card Traders] RE: envelope arrived empty Hi folks, The postal service doesn't want us to use regular plain white envelopes to send things like baseball cards, especially if they're in rigid plastic holders. They get caught in the sorting machines and this can ruin the cards. I always use bubble mailers. It's a little more expensive, but if it's worth investing my time and the postage, I figure it's worth an extra quarter or so to make sure that the cards reach their destination intact. Andy B -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com -- Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 08:31:16 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: typecard@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] postal issues If you decide to send all puffies, there are cheap places on-line you can purchase them in bulk. The place I've been buying mine for the past couple years is _http://esupplystore.com/_ (http://esupplystore.com/) and you can get them for a unit price of $.10-$.15 as opposed to $.50 at Staples.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 11:44:07 -0800 (PST) To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Dan Angland Subject: Availables Hi all, Claim away, please send address to speed up delivery. Thanks, Dan Angland Play baseball Scratch offs, not sure of the year... Aaron 2x, Yastrezemski 1965 Topps Baseball 94, 124 1966 Topps Baseball 46 1967 Topps Baseball 184, 260, 299, 1969 Topps Baseball17, 33, 53, 67, 374, 387, 414, 458 1971 Topps Baseball19, 78, 88, 105 1974 Topps Baseball 21, 57, 82, 134, 210, 276, 277, 289, 289, 289, 310, 354, 359, 362, 365, 368, 374, 377, 381, 395, 474, 495, 615, 626, 627, 1974 Topps Baseball Traded 270T, 390T 1976 Topps Baseball 176, 306, 324, 485, 647 1976 Topps Baseball Traded 211T, 497T 1977 Topps Baseball 63, 79, 107,140 Schmidt, 297, 454, 513, 629, 658 1979 Topps Baseball 47, 50, 50, 126, 154, 154, 162, 469, 605, 684, 686, 687, 699, 703 1980 Topps Baseball 34, 44, 126, 126, 191, 207, 248, 258, 269, 273, 283, 294, 294, 347, 360, 438, 438, 474, 571, 700, 700, 700 1978 Topps Football 224, 224, 245 Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. ================= Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 01:41:43 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Linda" Subject: A card i'd like to have won on ebay There is an auction that just closed on ebay which had a card i sure would have liked to have won but i certainly cannot afford.It is nice to look at it anyway and dream.Check out ebay # 250086072987 http://tinyurl.com/32l4dt ================= Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2007 22:11:51 EST To: obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: DaPatriot1@aol.com Subject: waiver wire 2/25/07 Hello all Im offering up a few cards let me know if ya need them also send your address in the email 1956 topps #s 60 and 297 1958 topps #s 136, 207,218 1959 topps #s,29,120.488 1963 topps 187 1964 topps #s83/104 1965 topps #s 8 NL ERA leaders Koufax/drysdale,46/61 1968 topps #s 57/61/119/201/225/384/555/586 1969 topps #35 Joe Morgan 1971 topps 461/480 let me know if u need them


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 15:51:37 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: 1969 Topps stamps complete -- Reds album now available Feels like I've needed just the Pete Rose stamp forever. Its arrival today knocks out that set. Thanks to Bob Donaldson, Mike Rich, and Peter Mead forcontributing to the cause over the years! Picked up a complete Reds stamp album to finish the set, so my dupe Reds (#6) album is up for grabs. Let me know if you need it. It's got every stamp but Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/mailbeta/newmail_tools.html ================= Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 17:38:26 -0800 (PST) To: obc ramblings From: Matthew Subject: Fw: 1969 Topps stamps gone That was quick! The Reds stamp album is now spoken for. No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mail ================= Date: Mon, 26 Feb 2007 23:17:09 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Umm...help with an auction Anybody bidding in the Steve Verkman (yuck) auction ending wednesday? I could use some help. Let me know...


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:54:44 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "Tom Housley" Subject: Holy Grail? Holy Cow! By the time you all get home you'll probably already have read this - but just in case, here goes. Enjoy! LOS ANGELES (AP) - The "Holy Grail of baseball cards," the famous 1909 Honus Wagner tobacco card once owned by hockey great Wayne Gretzky, has sold for a record-setting $2.35 million, the seller of the card said Monday. The buyer has only been identified as a Southern California collector. SCP Auctions Inc., a company that holds sports memorabilia auctions, said it bought a small share of the card. It is scheduled to be shown at a news conference at Dodger Stadium on Tuesday. There are about 60 of the tobacco cards in existence featuring the Pittsburgh Pirates shortstop, one of the first five players to be inducted in Baseball's Hall of Fame. The seller, Brian Seigel, in 2000 paid a then-record $1,265,000 for the prize card, which is in much better shape than the others. "This particular one was preserved in spectacular condition," said Joe Orlando, president of Professional Sports Authenticator of Newport Beach - the company that certified the authenticity of the card. "It's the Holy Grail of baseball cards." Still, the Wagner cards are so rare that even tattered ones will sell for hundreds of thousands of dollars, Seigel said. The others "you could stick in middle of the street and let cars drive over it through the day, take it in your hand and crumple it up, and it still would be a $100,000 card," said Seigel, CEO of Emerald Capital LLC, an asset management company, who lives in Las Gretzky and Bruce McNall, former owner of the Los Angeles Kings, bought the card for $451,000 in 1991. During his ownership of the card, Seigel displayed it at several sports collectible shows, showed it at the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library and Museum and at brought it to opening bell ceremonies for the NASDAQ stock exchange in New York. "The Wagner card gave me a tremendous amount of pride, excitement and pleasure," he said. "I hope the new owner will have the same satisfaction I enjoyed over the years." The tobacco cards used to be included in packs of cigarettes. Collectors believe Wagner's cards are rare because he stopped allowing the American Tobacco Co. to use his image, fearing it would encourage children to smoke. Nicknamed the "Flying Dutchman," Wagner was the National League batting champion in eight of his 21 seasons and finished his career with a lifetime .329 average. He retired in 1917 with more hits, runs, RBIs, doubles, triples steals than any National League player. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 12:24:10 EST To: DirectorTH@aol.com, OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: Wite3@aol.com Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Holy Grail? Holy Cow! It is trimmed...period.


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:59:26 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "malsman250" Subject: Golden Press PSA Insanity! Maybe not at the same level as the Gretzky Wagner..... But for no particular reason, I look at Ebay for the old Hall of Fame Golden Press cards. Recent sales: Bill Dickey - ungraded, but a perfectly nice looking card - $2.24 Bill Dickey - PSA 9 - $30.99 Bill Dickey - PSA 10 - $1,076.00! (and it had a ton of bids) Frankly, I couldn't, by the scans, tell any difference in the 3 cards. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 16:43:07 EST To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: smartalecx@aol.com Subject: Santo, Hodges denied again Another year, another heartbreak for former Cubs star Ron Santo. The nine-time All-Star was denied entrance into the Hall of Fame on Tuesday in _voting by the Veterans' Committee_ (http://www.baseballhalloffame.org/news/2007/07027b.htm) , which once againdeclined to allow any former major leaguers into their exclusive club. (http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;hv8/3506/0/0/*/a;68027078;0-0;0;12925408;4307-300/250;19636649/19654543/1;;~aopt2/0/ff/0;~sscs?http://www.ca= (http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/trb.chicagosports/sports/baseball/cubs;ptypes;slugcs-070227santo;rgur;refchicagotribunecom;sz Santo finished first on the ballot with 57 votes, or 69.5 percent, five votes shy of the necessary 75 percent for induction. Santo was followed inthe voting on the players ballot by former pitcher Jim Kaat, who garnered 52 votes (63.4 percent), former Dodgers first baseman Gil Hodges with 50 votes (61 percent) and former Twins outfielder Tony Oliva with 47 votes (57.3 percent). Santo was unavailable for comment immediately after the announcement, but his good friend and former teammate, Billy Williams, said he probably was devastated by the news. "I felt sorry for him because he was so looking forward to getting the call," Williams said. "I felt really good about it this year. I talked to Ernie [Banks] yesterday and I think everybody involved [wanted it to happen]. Maybe we were a little partial to him because we were teammates, but I really thought with the credentials he had, I think he was deserving of the Hall of Though no one has been inducted into the Hall by the Veteran's Committee in the three years it has voted--in 2003, '05 and '07--Hall of Fame Chairman Jane Forbes Clark said "we feel strongly the process is open and fair." Clark said the voting process will be re-evaluated on March 13 because no one had been elected in the new system. She also pointed out that "more than one quarter" of the voters are media members who had been elected to the Hall of Hall of Fame second baseman Joe Morgan said it was unfair to criticize the Veterans' Committee for not voting anyone in because "the writers voted on these guys 15 years without any of them being elected." Morgan disputed the notion that the Hall of Famers aren't looking closely at the candidate's credentials before voting. "The players did their due diligence," Morgan said. Santo said last week he was keeping a low-profile on the voting this year, but added: "Let's be honest, I want this badly, mainly because [the voting] every two years. To me, two years, because of what I have with the diabetes and [getting] older, it's like eternity. If I do get in, I'd like to enjoy Santo, who turned 67 on Sunday, and said he's not interested in gaining the honor posthumously. In 2005 he tied for first on the ballot with Gil Hodges with 52 votes, but was still eight votes shy of induction. In '03 he placed third on the ballot with 46 votes, behind Hodges and Oliva. Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Santo was worthy of induction, and that he was disappointed to find out he was denied entrance once again. "Santo was a dominant player at his position for a long, long, time, and All-Star and a Gold Glover and a great ambassador for the game of baseball," said. "It's a shame he just fell short." The entire Cubs family shared in Santo's disappointment, though Mark Prior may have put it best Monday when asked how Santo would handle it if he didn't make it this year. "Ron's pretty resilient,"Prior said. "The city has obviously embraced him as one of their own. He'll get over it. We hope he doesn't have to get over it. He's deserving of the honor, and it will be an awesome day to see him up there give that speech at Cooperstown." But that day will have to wait at least two more years, because the Veterans Committee only considers new members every other year. The next vote will take place in February of 2009. Williams believes the Hall of Fame will revise the voting to ensure there won't be a repeat of the last three ballots. Some believe the voting should take place every year instead of every two years. "That might be a good question that the committee is going to look at again," Williams said. "Every two years is a long time. It might be just like present Hall of Fame [voting] where you vote every year to get a guy in ifhe has the right credentials, and I think Santo does have the right Copyright =A9 2007, _The Chicago Tribune_ (http://www.chicagotribune.com/)


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AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. ================= Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2007 18:03:57 -0700 (MST) To: "Shawn Adkins" From: wguthrie@axint.net Subject: Re: [SPAM] RE: [OBC-Ramblings] re: VCT / OBC rambles - - - If we are willing to walk up to the counter and ask them to "hand-cancel," will they do that for free or is that when the twelve cents is asked for? I believe that the USPS has a 12 cent charge for the “non-machinable” option. This is an extra fee that can be used to avoid your white envelope (or other package) going through those sorting machines which causes this problem. It’s a little cheaper than using a puffy and still enables you to use a regular ol’ Just my 2 cents, food for thought. J From: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com [mailto:OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 11:12 AM To: Andy Blackwood; Taylor Schock; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com; [OBC-Ramblings] re: VCT / OBC rambles - - - Going Postal I don't know how much I'm "on board" about this, and I'll certainly admit that I don't like it, but I also have to admit to having envelopes that contained the plastic "hard card" toploaders, ripped, torn, ruined, and fortunately sometimes rejected and returned to me, because the USPS sorting machines somehow find reason to single them out and destroy them in their mechanical processes. Do we have any USPS employees, contractors, or even part time, season employees or contractors among us to verify and give the real deal + / or scoop on the who, what, when, where and why? Since push comes to shove and I don't care to fight or see anyone "go postal" on us, I'm choosing to comply. I haven't always complied though. However, while I have still occasionally sent a regular, plain "white envelope" with a card or two inside of one of the top-loader / hard cards, I think it's time to stop. I am reading enough notes like these from others, and I have had more than enough of my own of those hard card mailings, pretty much ripped to *ell, and all of them ( I think all of them were. ) rejected and returned to me, that I think it is time to take notice, heed the warnings, and stop. If we all have to pay more for puffies, I'm not at all happy about it, but I'm in. I have also yet to read about or experience any trouble with stacking a small lot of cards inside of a standard business envelope, inside a single strip or even the entire folded page of one of the soft plastic, UVC nine card page holders. Any other comments on those? They could be a safe, more economical alternative to the puffy, for mailings of thirty or forty cards or less. Just be careful when you're trying to stuff them in, or pull them out, of the sleeves! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Blackwood To: Taylor Schock ; OCTraders@yahoogroups.com ; vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 10:35 Subject: Re: [VCT] [Old Card Traders] RE: envelope arrived empty Hi folks, postal service doesn't want us to use regular plain white envelopes to send things like baseball cards, especially if they're in rigid plastic holders. They get caught in the sorting machines and this ruin the cards. I always use bubble mailers. It's a more expensive, but if it's worth investing my time and the postage, I figure it's worth an extra quarter or so to make sure that the cards reach their destination intact. Andy B -- Check out the VCT website at: http://www.vintagecardtraders.com Interested in your own VCT e-mail address? Let Dan know today! -- E-mail the entire group at vct@lists.vintagecardtraders.com ================= To: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:48:21 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Last call for Spring Training OBCers -- I'm going to be in Yuma, AZ for all of March and hope to get to Phoenix and Tucson for some baseball, as I have not seen any in three years!! Is anybody going to be in that neck of the woods to catch a game? I'm leaving Friday, so let me know before then... Take Care, Geno ================= To: , Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 07:32:54 -0500 From: "Chuck Paris" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again I thought that in the last few years, some committee was putting Negro leaguers, executives and a woman player or two in by the handfuls. Am I totallyconfused or thinking of something else? ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again Another year, another heartbreak for former Cubs star Ron Santo. The nine-time All-Star was denied entrance into the Hall of Fame on Tuesday in voting by the Veterans' Committee, which once again declined to allowany former major leaguers into their exclusive club. Santo finished first on the ballot with 57 votes, or 69.5 percent, five votes shy of the necessary 75 percent for induction. Santo was followed in the voting on the players ballot by former pitcher Jim Kaat, who garnered 52votes (63.4 percent), former Dodgers first baseman Gil Hodges with 50 votes (61 percent) and former Twins outfielder Tony Oliva with 47 votes (57.3 percent). Santo was unavailable for comment immediately after the announcement, buthis good friend and former teammate, Billy Williams, said he probably was devastated by the news. "I felt sorry for him because he was so looking forward to getting the call," Williams said. "I felt really good about it this year. I talked to Ernie [Banks] yesterday and I think everybody involved [wanted it to happen]. Maybe we were a little partial to him because we were teammates, but I really thought with the credentials he had, I think he was deserving of the Hall of Fame." Though no one has been inducted into the Hall by the Veteran's Committee in the three years it has voted--in 2003, '05 and '07--Hall of Fame Chairman Jane Forbes Clark said "we feel strongly the process is open and fair." Clark said the voting process will be re-evaluated on March 13 because no one had been elected in the new system. She also pointed out that "more than one quarter" of the voters are media members who had been elected to the Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame second baseman Joe Morgan said it was unfair to criticize the Veterans' Committee for not voting anyone in because "the writers voted on these guys 15 years without any of them being elected." Morgan disputed the notion that the Hall of Famers aren't looking closely at the candidate'scredentials before voting. "The players did their due diligence," Morgan said. Santo said last week he was keeping a low-profile on the voting this year, but added: "Let's be honest, I want this badly, mainly because [the voting] is every two years. To me, two years, because of what I have with the diabetes and [getting] older, it's like eternity. If I do get in, I'd like toenjoy Santo, who turned 67 on Sunday, and said he's not interested in gaining the honor posthumously. In 2005 he tied for first on the ballot with Gil Hodges with 52 votes, but was still eight votes shy of induction. In '03 he placed third on the ballot with 46 votes, behind Hodges and Oliva. Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Santo was worthy of induction, and that hewas disappointed to find out he was denied entrance once again. "Santo was a dominant player at his position for a long, long, time, and All-Star and a Gold Glover and a great ambassador for the game of baseball," he said. "It's a shame he just fell short." The entire Cubs family shared in Santo's disappointment, though Mark Prior may have put it best Monday when asked how Santo would handle it if he didn't make it this year. "Ron's pretty resilient,"Prior said. "The city has obviously embraced himas one of their own. He'll get over it. We hope he doesn't have to get over it. He's deserving of the honor, and it will be an awesome day to see himup there give that speech at Cooperstown." But that day will have to wait at least two more years, because the Veterans Committee only considers new members every other year. The next vote will take place in February of 2009. Williams believes the Hall of Fame will revise the voting to ensure therewon't be a repeat of the last three ballots. Some believe the voting should take place every year instead of every two years. "That might be a good question that the committee is going to look at again," Williams said. "Every two years is a long time. It might be just like the present Hall of Fame [voting] where you vote every year to get a guy inif he has the right credentials, and I think Santo does have the right credentials." Copyright =A9 2007, The Chicago Tribune AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ================= To: Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:49:32 -0000 From: "geno.wagner" Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again OBCers -- It's a crime that my HOMer is not an HOFer. Santo is a class act and has the stats to back up a Hall bid. He was the best NL thirdbaseman of his day, and possibly the best in the ML as his stats compare very favorably with B Robby. I think the fact that three Cubbies off a non-winner have alreadymade the HOF really hurts his chances. I don't know how else to explain it... Take Care, Geno ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Paris To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com ; smartalecx@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 12:32 PM Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again I thought that in the last few years, some committee was putting Negro leaguers, executives and a woman player or two in by the handfuls. Am I totally confused or thinking of something else? ----- Original Message ----- From: smartalecx@aol.com To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, February 27, 2007 4:43 PM Subject: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again Another year, another heartbreak for former Cubs star Ron Santo. The nine-time All-Star was denied entrance into the Hall of Fame on Tuesday in voting by the Veterans' Committee, which once again declined to allow any former major leaguers into their exclusive club. Santo finished first on the ballot with 57 votes, or 69.5 percent, fivevotes shy of the necessary 75 percent for induction. Santo was followed inthe voting on the players ballot by former pitcher Jim Kaat, who garnered 52 votes (63.4 percent), former Dodgers first baseman Gil Hodges with 50 votes (61 percent) and former Twins outfielder Tony Oliva with 47 votes (57.3percent). Santo was unavailable for comment immediately after the announcement, but his good friend and former teammate, Billy Williams, said he probably was devastated by the news. "I felt sorry for him because he was so looking forward to getting the call," Williams said. "I felt really good about it this year. I talked to Ernie [Banks] yesterday and I think everybody involved [wanted it to happen]. Maybe we were a little partial to him because we were teammates, but I really thought with the credentials he had, I think he was deserving of the Hall of Fame." Though no one has been inducted into the Hall by the Veteran's Committee in the three years it has voted--in 2003, '05 and '07--Hall of Fame Chairman Jane Forbes Clark said "we feel strongly the process is open and fair."Clark said the voting process will be re-evaluated on March 13 because no one had been elected in the new system. She also pointed out that "more than one quarter" of the voters are media members who had been elected to the Hall of Fame. Hall of Fame second baseman Joe Morgan said it was unfair to criticize the Veterans' Committee for not voting anyone in because "the writers votedon these guys 15 years without any of them being elected." Morgan disputedthe notion that the Hall of Famers aren't looking closely at the candidate's credentials before voting. "The players did their due diligence," Morgan said. Santo said last week he was keeping a low-profile on the voting this year, but added: "Let's be honest, I want this badly, mainly because [the voting] is every two years. To me, two years, because of what I have with the diabetes and [getting] older, it's like eternity. If I do get in, I'd like to enjoy it." Santo, who turned 67 on Sunday, and said he's not interested in gainingthe honor posthumously. In 2005 he tied for first on the ballot with Gil Hodges with 52 votes, but was still eight votes shy of induction. In '03 he placed third on the ballot with 46 votes, behind Hodges and Oliva. Cubs manager Lou Piniella said Santo was worthy of induction, and that he was disappointed to find out he was denied entrance once again. "Santo was a dominant player at his position for a long, long, time, and All-Star and a Gold Glover and a great ambassador for the game of baseball," he said. "It's a shame he just fell short." The entire Cubs family shared in Santo's disappointment, though Mark Prior may have put it best Monday when asked how Santo would handle it if he didn't make it this year. "Ron's pretty resilient,"Prior said. "The city has obviously embraced him as one of their own. He'll get over it. We hope he doesn't have to get over it. He's deserving of the honor, and it will be an awesome day to see him up there give that speech at Cooperstown." But that day will have to wait at least two more years, because the Veterans Committee only considers new members every other year. The next vote will take place in February of 2009. Williams believes the Hall of Fame will revise the voting to ensure there won't be a repeat of the last three ballots. Some believe the voting should take place every year instead of every two years. "That might be a good question that the committee is going to look at again," Williams said. "Every two years is a long time. It might be just like the present Hall of Fame [voting] where you vote every year to get a guy in if he has the right credentials, and I think Santo does have the right credentials." Copyright =A9 2007, The Chicago Tribune AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. ================= Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:07:17 -0500 To: chuckparis@comcast.net (Chuck Paris) From: Originaleek@webtv.net Subject: Re: [OBC-Ramblings] Santo, Hodges denied again There is a Negro Leagues/Pre-Negro Leagues Committee that put in a number of players this past year. We keep what we give away! ================= To: "obc-ramblings@yahoogroups.com" Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:08:36 -0500 From: Mac Wubben Subject: 53T Gilliam & Podres on ebay--badly labled and cheap Too high for me given that they have two punch holes each, but still low priced at under $30 for the pair http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item180088907607 Connect to the next generation of MSN Messenger http://imagine-msn.com/messenger/launch80/default.aspx?localeen-us&sourcewlmailtagline ================= Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 03:13:58 -0000 To: OBC-Ramblings@yahoogroups.com From: "mikesportsfan" Subject: FOOT happenings A reminder that there is a Redford show this Sunday, March 4. Gersh informed me that Mike Sandles father may have had a heart attack or something and that Mike missed the Cinci show last weekend. I sent Mike an E-mail wishing him luck with his dad and will let you know if I get a reply. I plan on attending for a while regardless. Let me know if you are planning on going also. Mike Rich